[crossfire] Re: [Crossfire-devel] Made a CVS upload error: /maps-bigworld/unlinked/mlab-devel/mlab-devel.tar.gz

[Mitch Obrian]

Let us free our memory of merging the rest of mlab, it
just seems to become a huge discussion for whatever
reasons.

So have any quest ideas for azamuindo? I need someone
who has a good grasp on japanese lore to give me some
ideas.

--- Mitch Obrian <
     
     mikeeusaaa at yahoo.com
     
     > wrote:

>
     
      If you don't want mlab then fine. I am _not_ going
     
     >
     
      to
     
     >
     
      change for you, just as you are _not_ going to
     
     >
     
      change
     
     >
     
      for me.
     
     >
     
     
     >
     
      --- Mark Wedel <
      
      mwedel at sonic.net
      
      > wrote:
     
     >
     
     
     >
     
      > Mitch Obrian wrote:
     
     >
     
      > > For all other maps sans mlab I follow the map
     
     >
     
      > guide.
     
     >
     
      > > However mlab was started way before these, thus
     
     >
     
      it
     
     >
     
      > > uses the flatdirectory structure so it stays
     
     >
     
      > working.
     
     >
     
      > > I've seen maps break many times before,
     
     >
     
      including
     
     >
     
      > my
     
     >
     
      > > tavern when it was uploaded to cvs originally.
     
     >
     
      > 
     
     >
     
      >   The issue is that there seems to be no work on
     
     >
     
      > your part to move it into the 
     
     >
     
      > proper directory layout.
     
     >
     
      > 
     
     >
     
      >   If there was some progess being made in going to
     
     >
     
      a
     
     >
     
      > non flat structure, 
     
     >
     
      > wouldn't be a big deal.
     
     >
     
      > 
     
     >
     
      > > 
     
     >
     
      > > Why must there be contoversy just over a file
     
     >
     
      > system? 
     
     >
     
      > 
     
     >
     
      >   Ask yourself the same question - why can't you
     
     >
     
      fix
     
     >
     
      > them so they aren't in a 
     
     >
     
      > flat directory.
     
     >
     
      > 
     
     >
     
      > > 
     
     >
     
      > > If I can't upload my maps to CVS where do I back
     
     >
     
      > them
     
     >
     
      > > up to? Are they that worthless? I do a fair
     
     >
     
      amount
     
     >
     
      > of
     
     >
     
      > > CF work in arches and non-mlab maps, could I
     
     >
     
      have
     
     >
     
      > > alittle slack? Why is there opposistion just
     
     >
     
      > because I
     
     >
     
      > > put the maps in their own flatlevel dir?
     
     >
     
      > 
     
     >
     
      >   Sourceforge and the crossfire distribution in
     
     >
     
      > particular is not meant to 
     
     >
     
      > provide a backup service for people.
     
     >
     
      > 
     
     >
     
      >   There are standard practices for a reason.  The
     
     >
     
      > second exceptions start 
     
     >
     
      > getting made for one person, the next person shows
     
     >
     
      > up and says 'well, you did it 
     
     >
     
      > for him, why not for me'.  And figuring out what
     
     >
     
      > rules to break for who then 
     
     >
     
      > leads to a mess of problems.
     
     >
     
      > 
     
     >
     
      > > 
     
     >
     
      > > The reasoning that mlab doesn't even deserve to
     
     >
     
      be
     
     >
     
      > in
     
     >
     
      > > CVS is very alienating, I've worked years on
     
     >
     
      > theses
     
     >
     
      > > maps. I work nearly constantly on maps for CF.
     
     >
     
      > 
     
     >
     
      >   I don't think I said it doesn't deserve to be in
     
     >
     
      > CVS.  I've just said that if 
     
     >
     
      > it is in CVS, it should follow proper standards.
     
     >
     
      > 
     
     >
     
      > > 
     
     >
     
      > > Mlab could be intergrated into CF-proper right
     
     >
     
      now
     
     >
     
      > if
     
     >
     
      > > I was just given the OK. If an exception to the
     
     >
     
      > dir
     
     >
     
      > > rule was made.
     
     >
     
      > > 
     
     >
     
      > > I though after being involved in CF this long
     
     >
     
      the
     
     >
     
      > > controversy was over and I could develop as a
     
     >
     
      > regular
     
     >
     
      > > without asking about every change. I uploaded
     
     >
     
      mlab
     
     >
     
      > so
     
     >
     
      > > it would be with CF, so if my computers go down
     
     >
     
      my
     
     >
     
      > > years of work are not lost. Sure one can say "go
     
     >
     
      > find
     
     >
     
      > > some other place to back up to" but... that's
     
     >
     
      > > basically telling the person to screw off; their
     
     >
     
      > work
     
     >
     
      > > is of little value.
     
     >
     
      > 
     
     >
     
      >   Simple solution is that if you make the
     
     >
     
      directory
     
     >
     
      > structure follow the proper 
     
     >
     
      > naming, it could be an official part of the map
     
     >
     
      > distribution.
     
     >
     
      > 
     
     >
     
      >   The only issue is that your completely unwilling
     
     >
     
      > to do that.  Some people have 
     
     >
     
      > even started the work to integrate your maps with
     
     >
     
      > proper naming structure, but 
     
     >
     
      > you continue to keep going with yours (so that
     
     >
     
      even
     
     >
     
      > those get updated).
     
     >
     
      > 
     
     >
     
      >   Sure, we could make an exception.  Or you could
     
     >
     
      > just follow the rules.  The 
     
     >
     
      > fact that your not willing to make any effort to
     
     >
     
      do
     
     >
     
      > so doesn't give me any 
     
     >
     
      > reason whatever on why I should bend the rules for
     
     >
     
      > you.
     
     >
     
      > 
     
     >
     
      > 
     
     >
     
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