[crossfire] Re: New movement code. (Wraith stuff) (Please don't implement)

[Mitch Obrian]

Please do not implement this passing through walls
stuff.
I /strongly/ oppose passing through walls. I do not
want my maps to become worthless because someone
decided we need to make the game worthlessly easy.

--- Anton Oussik <
     antonoussik at gmail.com
     > wrote:

>
      On 19/10/05, Brendan Lally <
      brenlally at gmail.com
      >
     >
      wrote:
     >
      > On 10/19/05, Anton Oussik <
      antonoussik at gmail.com
      >
     >
      wrote:
     >
      > > When activated the wraith becomes invisible,
     >
      stealthy, can move
     >
      > > through walls, and can not cast spells, or hold
     >
      items in inventory
     >
      > > (except invisible ones of course), The only
     >
      attack then avaliable is
     >
      > > wraith touch, which deals ghosthit, depletion,
     >
      drain, and life
     >
      > > slealing.
     >
      > >
     >
      > > Without clothes wraiths are not very strong, so
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      I do not see how it
     >
      > > will make them overpowered. Running for the
     >
      nearest wall will often be
     >
      > > the best choice, only preying on the weak, but
     >
      that will be the only
     >
      > > way of surviving, since you would die from three
     >
      hits by a powerful
     >
      > > monster, if you can not life steal them as fast
     >
      as they are hitting
     >
      > > you.
     >
      >
     >
      > Will direct attacks hit wraith stood in a wall
     >
      (like they do in ADOM
     >
      > with ghosts)?
     >
     
     >
      I believe they will with the current code. I have
     >
      killed monsters
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      stuck in walls before.
     >
     
     >
      > Will rings/amulets remain wearable?
     >
     
     >
      No. They can not pass through walls as they are, and
     >
      therefore you can
     >
      not take them with you. I say again, nothing worn,
     >
      nothing carried. If
     >
      it shows up in inventory, you can not take it with
     >
      you.
     >
     
     >
      > I'm inclined to say that at least there should be
     >
      a /big/ hit points
     >
      > penalty as well (maybe 50% - though with a small
     >
      ac bonus too ?)
     >
     
     >
      Create a naked wraith, try using it to fight
     >
      something, and say that again.
     >
     
     >
      > > While in this mode the wraith ca not pick
     >
      anything up, or interact
     >
      > > with the environment, like push switches,
     >
      buttons, or anything like
     >
      > > that.
     >
      >
     >
      > Ok, so their weight would have to be zero too.
     >
     
     >
      I am not sure the server will like that, but yes,
     >
      essentially.
     >
     
     >
     
     >
      > Would you change the face as well, to give some
     >
      clue they are in this mode?
     >
     
     >
      Being invisible will change the face automatically.
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      It will be like
     >
      wearing god finger.
     >
     
     >
      > > This would also mean players can not take stuff
     >
      out of treasure
     >
      > > rooms... they can get in, fly though it, and
     >
      then walk out again
     >
      > > leaving treasure behind. They would not be able
     >
      to steal it without
     >
      > > completing the quest.
     >
      >
     >
      > You need to deal with switching out of this mode
     >
      inside the treasure
     >
      > room (you try to adress this later)
     >
     
     >
      I think I do.
     >
     
     >
      > > Also you should not be able to go into void
     >
      squares to get to other
     >
      > > "floors" or mechanic sections of the map. You
     >
      should be able to apply
     >
      > > exits though, to get around between maps.
     >
      >
     >
      > not all boulder layouts are seperated by squares
     >
      with no tiles on.
     >
     
     >
      True, but I do not see this as a huge problem if
     >
      sometimes you can
     >
      wander into a mechanism. x-ray vision allows you to
     >
      see many of them,
     >
      and that is not much of a problem.
     >
     
     >
      > > There is howerver a case of the player going
     >
      into the mode sneaking up
     >
      > > to a switch opening treasure room, and then
     >
      taking it out. The only
     >
      > > way out of this I see is to only provide one way
     >
      of leaving the mode
     >
      > > once entered: by visiting some well defined set
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      of points (like an
     >
      > > altar of devourers, or a graveyard to posess a
     >
      new body). This way it
     >
      > > will be impossible for a player to either cheat
     >
      in the quest or help
     >
      > > other players cheat.
     >
      >
     >
      > Alter of devourers might work, but there are maps
     >
      that have alters in
     >
      > dungeons, and these might get placed in areas
     >
      where a player could get
     >
      > stuck.
     >
      >
     >
      > Also what about a wraith that doesn't worship
     >
      devourers?
     >
      >
     >
      > There are similar issues with graveyard placement,
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      plus it is a little
     >
      > illogical that a graveyard corpse should work, but
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      a 'fresh' one
     >
      > should not.
     >
     
     >
      Yes, I dislike both examples I gave myself. It seems
     >
      something new
     >
      needs to be introduced into the game, and placed
     >
      around towns to allow
     >
      wraiths get new bodies. Something not already found
     >
      anywhere.
     >
     
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