From andy at theasis.com Tue Aug 1 06:53:19 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19976] headers in pine In-Reply-To: <398632C9.4F8B12B2@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: > You have to go into Setup->Configuration. There's an option: > enable-full-header-cmd. When you're viewing messages, you can just hit > `H' (or is it ^H?). yes, once you enable the command, you simply press `h' while reading a message to toggle it on Andy --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kent at structural-wood.com Tue Aug 1 07:19:55 2000 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19949] USWest DSL @ 640K References: Message-ID: <3986C06B.64E68F8B@structural-wood.com> > USWest apparently retrains the line from their end. Here is some more info that came down the pipe... > I guess this isn't too un-public: > > All the 256K DSL was provisioned at 640/272 for a long time, as that was the > lowest provisioning above 256 bi-directional allowed. > Then an upgrade to the software allowed them to provision at actual 256, so > they started doing that for a while. For a variety of reasons, we decided > that was too low, (I wasn't privvy to discussions either way) and went > through and switched everyone back. > > This month everyone who was provisioned at less than 640/272 was switched to > that rate, the only exception being IDSL customers. > > Jer Smith > QWEST > On the e-mail addresses. I sent e-mail to myself at home, and it arrived with a correct header. In this case I would guess the e-mail header would be processed by skypoint.com, uswest.net, and then my home system. I've had this problem reported to me once before (and it wasn't you :-). I'm not sure if that means the e-mail headers being generated by netscape are susceptable to rewriting by gateway e-mail servers or what??? On the fringe festival - don't see the funny shorts thing. It was terribly lame - we all hated it. Elissa and Bernadette went to see Sex with David Mann and thought it was great. Kent --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kent at structural-wood.com Tue Aug 1 07:36:11 2000 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19949] USWest DSL @ 640K References: <3986C06B.64E68F8B@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <3986C43B.9F264899@structural-wood.com> Whoops, sorry everyone. That was a personal message inadvertently sent to the mailing list. Good thing I wasn't feeling too caustic this morning (two cups of coffee and safe for the net....) Kent --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Tue Aug 1 08:03:46 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19949] USWest DSL @ 640K References: Message-ID: <003901bffbb8$edfd06c0$dd29680a@tgt.com> That is really cool - but why weren't other ISPs given fair warning. It appears to me that USWest.net is one of the few providers in town giving the bandwidth. Nobody else had a chance to open up their pipes. Haven't lawsuites in the past taught Quest that perhaps it is a good idea to err on the side of caution, and in this case, tell the ISPs that they are going to open the pipe? Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 5:18 PM Subject: RE: [TCLUG:19949] USWest DSL @ 640K > > I guess this isn't too un-public: > > All the 256K DSL was provisioned at 640/272 for a long time, as that was the > lowest provisioning above 256 bi-directional allowed. > Then an upgrade to the software allowed them to provision at actual 256, so > they started doing that for a while. For a variety of reasons, we decided > that was too low, (I wasn't privvy to discussions either way) and went > through and switched everyone back. > > This month everyone who was provisioned at less than 640/272 was switched to > that rate, the only exception being IDSL customers. > > Jer Smith > QWEST > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kevinml at noridian.com Tue Aug 1 09:55:24 2000 From: kevinml at noridian.com (Kevin Erickson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19991] RE: OpenLDAP/NSS/PAM In-Reply-To: <3985B417.90B9F6EC@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: Andy, I've played around with NSS_LDAP and PAM_LDAP quite a bit, but really haven't got anything running in production. The site I've used for a reference is http://www.padl.com. Under the "products" page they have a few things of interest... they have an "LDAP examples" page, which includes some LDIF entries for things like users and groups. They also have a "tools" page that has perl scripts that help you convert your existing Unix information (passwd, group, hosts, services, etc) to LDAP. Kevin > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Zbikowski [mailto:andyzb@ltiflex.com] > Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 12:15 PM > To: TCLUG List > Subject: OpenLDAP/NSS/PAM > > > Well, I've been playing with LDAP for awile now, and the company > directory is up and running. Users like it. All is well. > > But I want to take it a bit further, and go beyond being a quick way to > fill a users addressbook. I know that with nss-ldap and pam-ldap you can > set up authnitication services (and samba has support for domain control > with a LDAP back-end...unsupported and unstable as it may be...), but > finding online documentation has proven to be a bit...difficult. > > So I'm wondering if anyone has set this up before, knows of or has come > across decent documentation, or has any tips. > > Thanks, and I'll let you know if anything fruitful comes from this > endevor. > > -- > \\\|/// > \\ - - // > ( @ @ ) > ----oOOo--(_)-oOOo-------------------------------------------- > Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com > LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 > 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 > Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 > ---------------Ooooo------------------------------------------ > ( ) > ooooO ) / > ( ) (_/ > \ ( > \_) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jrsmit2 at uswest.com Tue Aug 1 10:58:33 2000 From: jrsmit2 at uswest.com (jrsmit2@uswest.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:19968] Bootable Image Lilo and CDRW Message-ID: "I'd like to do the same thing, but I don't have a floppy drive in my server. So the SYSLINUX boot idea won't work." No, no. To make the bootable cd, you need a bootable floppy. The way bootable CD's work is that they "pretend" to be the floppy drive during the boot process by taking a particular set of blocks off the CD and setting that up as a sort of virtual floppy drive. So you need to make a bootable floppy (you can even do a 2.88 meg floppy if you've got one) image and write that to the cdrom. Here are the steps: 1. Make bootable Linux floppy with SYSLINUX (saves you room over lilo and lets you change things easier when and if your kernel changes) 2. create a directory that's going to be the root of your cdrom 3. make an isofs with mkisofs -b /path/to/boot/image (look up the options) 4. write the cdrom. Once you get a floppy image, you can mount it as a loopback device and work with it, but the BIOS will choke if it's not EXACTLY the same size as a floppy, so the best thing to do is just dd one over. I made my own install cd this way and it works grrreat. Jer --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blackk100 at hotmail.com Tue Aug 1 11:15:20 2000 From: blackk100 at hotmail.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19994] Samba and LDAP Message-ID: For the individual looking for SAMBA and LDAP info: http://www.unav.es/cti/ldap-smb-howto.html#slap.conf Have not tried it, but it could get you some info. Kelly Black ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ecrist at ardent-hacker.net Tue Aug 1 11:53:51 2000 From: ecrist at ardent-hacker.net (Eric F Crist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19995] Printers in BSD/Linux Message-ID: <00080111564700.07048@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> Hey, I have an Epson EPL-6000 that I cannot get to print correctly. I used to use the printer under Caldera OpenLinux 2.3 just fine, but haven't had it working since I went to FreBSD 4.0. Also, could someone either tell me or direct me to a site that can explain, in english, how I can get my Windows NT 4.0 box to use this printer on my FreBSD box? Note: I left out an 'e' on purpose, I"m sick of getting reply mail from users on this list who's mail program thinks I trying to sell them something!!!!! -- Eric F Crist System Administrator Ardent-Hacker.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Tue Aug 1 13:54:42 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19994] Samba and LDAP References: Message-ID: <39871CF2.7D2C98A1@ltiflex.com> Thanks, found that one yesterday. -- \\\|/// \\ - - // ( @ @ ) ----oOOo--(_)-oOOo-------------------------------------------- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 ---------------Ooooo------------------------------------------ ( ) ooooO ) / ( ) (_/ \ ( \_) -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From TFS at MULTITECH.com Tue Aug 1 14:13:52 2000 From: TFS at MULTITECH.com (Troy Schmidt) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19997] Debian 2.1 Message-ID: <91D5125D428BD311A15600C06C003A707F33AC@exchange_serve.multitech.prv> I had a copy of Debian 2.1 which I believe is their current release laying around. Our technical support department approached me saying one of our customers cannot compile our drivers into this dist. This was my opportunity to actually see this dist but was surprised to see the kernel version 2.0.35 I'm I hallucinating? If this is true why are they so behind? Later, Troy. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kmatteson at talkware.net Tue Aug 1 14:15:44 2000 From: kmatteson at talkware.net (Kyle Matteson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19997] Debian 2.1 References: <91D5125D428BD311A15600C06C003A707F33AC@exchange_serve.multitech.prv> Message-ID: <398721E0.B3959078@talkware.net> you are correct that 2.1 is their current release, BUT, 2.2 has been frozen since late january, and should be released here anytime soon. it uses the 2.2.15 kernel currently. i definitely recommend the upgrade, its totally worth it. hell, just run woody :). kyle Troy Schmidt wrote: > I had a copy of Debian 2.1 which I believe is their current release laying > around. Our technical support department approached me saying one of our > customers cannot compile our drivers into this dist. > > This was my opportunity to actually see this dist but was surprised to see > the kernel version 2.0.35 I'm I hallucinating? > > If this is true why are they so behind? > > Later, > > Troy. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From TFS at MULTITECH.com Tue Aug 1 14:19:41 2000 From: TFS at MULTITECH.com (Troy Schmidt) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:19997] Debian 2.1 Message-ID: <91D5125D428BD311A15600C06C003A707F33BA@exchange_serve.multitech.prv> Thanks I will compile woody! -----Original Message----- From: Kyle Matteson [mailto:kmatteson@talkware.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 2:16 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19997] Debian 2.1 << File: ATT00941.txt >> you are correct that 2.1 is their current release, BUT, 2.2 has been frozen since late january, and should be released here anytime soon. it uses the 2.2.15 kernel currently. i definitely recommend the upgrade, its totally worth it. hell, just run woody :). kyle Troy Schmidt wrote: > I had a copy of Debian 2.1 which I believe is their current release laying > around. Our technical support department approached me saying one of our > customers cannot compile our drivers into this dist. > > This was my opportunity to actually see this dist but was surprised to see > the kernel version 2.0.35 I'm I hallucinating? > > If this is true why are they so behind? > > Later, > > Troy. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kmatteson at talkware.net Tue Aug 1 14:21:59 2000 From: kmatteson at talkware.net (Kyle Matteson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19997] Debian 2.1 References: <91D5125D428BD311A15600C06C003A707F33BA@exchange_serve.multitech.prv> Message-ID: <39872357.61A698C7@talkware.net> oh, i should have specified :P 2.2 is called potato woody is newer than 2.2, thus labeled as "unstable" but i have very little reason to call it that, but if its gonna be a production server, you might wanna stick w/ potato. Troy Schmidt wrote: > Thanks I will compile woody! > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kyle Matteson [mailto:kmatteson@talkware.net] > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 2:16 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:19997] Debian 2.1 > > << File: ATT00941.txt >> you are correct that 2.1 is their > current release, BUT, 2.2 has been frozen > since late january, and should be released here anytime > soon. it uses the > 2.2.15 kernel currently. i definitely recommend the upgrade, > its totally > worth it. hell, just run woody :). > > kyle > > Troy Schmidt wrote: > > > I had a copy of Debian 2.1 which I believe is their > current release laying > > around. Our technical support department approached me > saying one of our > > customers cannot compile our drivers into this dist. > > > > This was my opportunity to actually see this dist but was > surprised to see > > the kernel version 2.0.35 I'm I hallucinating? > > > > If this is true why are they so behind? > > > > Later, > > > > Troy. > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Tue Aug 1 15:53:17 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19997] Debian 2.1 In-Reply-To: <91D5125D428BD311A15600C06C003A707F33AC@exchange_serve.multitech.prv> Message-ID: On Tue, 1 Aug 2000, Troy Schmidt wrote: > I had a copy of Debian 2.1 which I believe is their current release laying > around. Our technical support department approached me saying one of our > customers cannot compile our drivers into this dist. > > This was my opportunity to actually see this dist but was surprised to see > the kernel version 2.0.35 I'm I hallucinating? > > If this is true why are they so behind? I don't know that it is. I've got a bunch of slink (2.1) systems installed from the O'Reilly/SGI box and they are all 2.2.12 I did see some 2.0.35/2.0.36 directories on the CD, but I dunno what they were for (legacy distro stuff?) Phil M -- Lottery: a tax on people who are bad at math --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at usinternet.com Tue Aug 1 16:51:37 2000 From: blutgens at usinternet.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19997] Debian 2.1 In-Reply-To: <91D5125D428BD311A15600C06C003A707F33BA@exchange_serve.multitech.prv>; from TFS@MULTITECH.com on Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 02:19:41PM -0500 References: <91D5125D428BD311A15600C06C003A707F33BA@exchange_serve.multitech.prv> Message-ID: <20000801165137.C11544@localhost> On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 02:19:41PM -0500, Troy Schmidt wrote: >Thanks I will compile woody! > compile? Best bet is to get a iso of frozen and update from that. -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 "I thought Christmas only comes once a year..." James Bond - The World Is Not Enough -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at usinternet.com Tue Aug 1 16:53:02 2000 From: blutgens at usinternet.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19997] Debian 2.1 In-Reply-To: <39872357.61A698C7@talkware.net>; from kmatteson@talkware.net on Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 02:21:59PM -0500 References: <91D5125D428BD311A15600C06C003A707F33BA@exchange_serve.multitech.prv> <39872357.61A698C7@talkware.net> Message-ID: <20000801165302.D11544@localhost> >but i have very little reason to call it that, but if its gonna be a >production server, you might wanna stick w/ potato. > I run frozen on our servers and it is very solid. but as with any dist only update if need be and you dot your i's and cross you t's first. i.e. check the bug reports. Better safe than downtime. -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 "I thought Christmas only comes once a year..." James Bond - The World Is Not Enough -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Tue Aug 1 16:58:11 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19997] Debian 2.1 References: <91D5125D428BD311A15600C06C003A707F33BA@exchange_serve.multitech.prv> <39872357.61A698C7@talkware.net> <20000801165302.D11544@localhost> Message-ID: <398747F3.2DA2CEBE@ltiflex.com> > I run frozen on our servers and it is very solid. but as with any dist only > update if need be and you dot your i's and cross you t's first. i.e. check the > bug reports. Better safe than downtime. Yes, somehow an upgrade managed to hose my LDAP directory. Good thing I had all 30 ldif's handy. Me thinks I'll submit a bug report... -- \\\|/// \\ - - // ( @ @ ) ----oOOo--(_)-oOOo-------------------------------------------- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 ---------------Ooooo------------------------------------------ ( ) ooooO ) / ( ) (_/ \ ( \_) -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From wilson at visi.com Tue Aug 1 17:38:15 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19997] Debian 2.1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 1 Aug 2000, Philip C Mendelsohn wrote: > I don't know that it is. I've got a bunch of slink (2.1) systems > installed from the O'Reilly/SGI box and they are all 2.2.12 > > I did see some 2.0.35/2.0.36 directories on the CD, but I dunno what they > were for (legacy distro stuff?) I'll bet those are slink-and-a-half CDs. VA Linux was giving some of those away at the the Linux meeting down in Bloomington a few months ago. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Tue Aug 1 18:55:18 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19995] Printers in BSD/Linux References: <00080111564700.07048@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> Message-ID: <39876366.7BE91DDA@tc.umn.edu> Eric F Crist wrote: > > Hey, > > I have an Epson EPL-6000 that I cannot get to print correctly. > > I used to use the printer under Caldera OpenLinux 2.3 just fine, but haven't > had it working since I went to FreBSD 4.0. Well, it's been a while since I set up Ghostscript by hand (and I had help -- Linux Secrets by Naba Barkakati with Slackware 3.0). I'm not sure if you have to do it by hand in FreeBSD or not. Regardless, it won't kill you. The gist of it is that you have to create a print filter, which is just a script sitting in your print queue directory (usually under /var/spool/ or /var/spool/lpd/). That filter is just a shell script that calls Ghostscript with the right arguments to produce output for your printer. These scripts are often designed to figure out what sort of a file they have as input. The simplest filters just detect the difference between PostScript, text, and raw printer data (like what you'd get if your system was a print server for Windows boxes). Once you have a decent filter created, you'd tell lpr/lpd to use it by pointing to it in your /etc/printcap file. There should be some decent information about setting all of that up somewhere in the Ghostscript documentation. > could someone either tell me or direct me to a site that can explain, in > english, how I can get my Windows NT 4.0 box to use this printer on my FreBSD > box? This is easy under Samba. I think the default smb.conf file even has printing already set up (though you should really look at the config file first). You should be able to just set up a `raw' printer in /etc/printcap that will work even if you can't get Ghostscript working. Create a spool directory (/var/spool/lpd/raw is good). Then, put something in /etc/printcap. This might do the trick raw:\ :sd=/var/spool/lpd/raw:\ :mx#0:\ :sh:\ :lp=/dev/lp0: However, I don't know what printer devices are named in FreeBSD. You may or may not have to change `/dev/lp0' to something else. Also, you might have to remove the `:sh:\' line. Note that all of the lines that have a backslash at the end have an immediate carriage return (no spaces on the end of those lines). -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Don't take life too / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ seriously, you won't get \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) out alive. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jts at tc.umn.edu Tue Aug 1 22:53:04 2000 From: jts at tc.umn.edu (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:19968] Bootable Image Lilo and CDRW Message-ID: <39879B20.941E964F@tc.umn.edu> It might be worthwhile to check out Gibraltar firewall and see what it uses: http://gibraltar.vianova.at/ -- ============== SIGN the Linux Driver Petition: Joel Schneider http://www.libranet.com/petition.html jts@tc.umn.edu SIGN the Mars Petition: ============== http://www.thinkmars.net/petition.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jonathankl at ism-sabis.net Wed Aug 2 07:36:26 2000 From: jonathankl at ism-sabis.net (Jonathan Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:20008] Import/Export Encyrption laws (OT?) Message-ID: <000d01bffc7e$4998e920$1100a8c0@marnan.mpls.uswest.net> Does anyone know the current US encyrption laws? I would like to mirror a strong encyption iso, and possibly have people from other countries dl it. I'm trying to mirror Gibraltar, but here is an excerpt from its owner: Is it a problem that Gibraltar contains strong encryption ? I do not know the legal situation in the USA at the moment. Is it now possible to "export" such software from the USA when it was originally put together outside and is only mirrored in the USA ? TIA: Also if its leagal to mirror it like this, would RT be interested in hosting the mirror? ____________________________________________________________________________ _________________ Jonathan A. Kline, A+ Asst. System Administrator, International School of MN --BEGIN GEEK CODE-- GIT d(++) s+:+ a--- C++(++++) UL++++ P+(++) L++(+++) E---- W++(+++) N+(++) o+ !K !w+ O !M- @V PS++(+++) PE++ Y+ PGP+(++) t+(++) 5-- @X++ R++(+++) tv- b++ DI++ D++ G++ e- @h(h++) @r-- !z+ --END Geek Code-- ____________________________________________________________________________ _________________ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Wed Aug 2 07:40:58 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20008] Import/Export Encyrption laws (OT?) In-Reply-To: <000d01bffc7e$4998e920$1100a8c0@marnan.mpls.uswest.net>; from jonathankl@ism-sabis.net on Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 07:36:26AM -0500 References: <000d01bffc7e$4998e920$1100a8c0@marnan.mpls.uswest.net> Message-ID: <20000802074058.A9408@ringworld.org> Nope. you lose, for now. :( I believe you still have to go to the govt and get authorised to do this, or at least have a form collecting/verifying data for 128bit in US. Sucks. * Jonathan Kline [000802 07:38]: > Does anyone know the current US encyrption laws? I would like to mirror a > strong encyption iso, and possibly have people from other countries dl it. > I'm trying to mirror Gibraltar, but here is an excerpt from its owner: > > Is it a problem that Gibraltar contains strong encryption ? I do not > know the > legal situation in the USA at the moment. Is it now possible to "export" > such > software from the USA when it was originally put together outside and is > only > mirrored in the USA ? > > TIA: > Also if its leagal to mirror it like this, would RT be interested in > hosting the mirror? > ____________________________________________________________________________ > _________________ > Jonathan A. Kline, A+ > Asst. 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Amanda looks good except that docs state that it can't backup a partition that is larger than a tape. Any suggestions? I've got a SCSI tape drive that uses wide QIC 3080 tapes. -- Jon Schewe http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe jpschewe@eggplant.mtu.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jhawley at bgea.org Wed Aug 2 07:54:01 2000 From: jhawley at bgea.org (John Hawley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19968] Bootable Image Lilo and CDRW References: Message-ID: <398819E9.3C4782C2@bgea.org> jrsmit2@uswest.com wrote: > > > So you need to make a bootable floppy (you can even do a 2.88 meg floppy if > you've got one) image and write that to the cdrom. > A lot of the cool bootable recovery floppys use the 1.7M format which if you use as the image to dd, mkisofs chokes on. :( Or does anyone know if a newer version does accept this? -jh --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu Wed Aug 2 08:10:44 2000 From: cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu (Charles Clifton Fulton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19968] Bootable Image Lilo and CDRW In-Reply-To: <398819E9.3C4782C2@bgea.org> Message-ID: You don't want to use mkisofs on the file if you are trying to make a bootable CD. Just burn the floppy image directly. I don't see why mkisofs would choke on it though. It should be just another file, but I haven't tried with odd sizes. What does mkisofs say? Charlie On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, John Hawley wrote: > jrsmit2@uswest.com wrote: > > > > > > > So you need to make a bootable floppy (you can even do a 2.88 meg floppy if > > you've got one) image and write that to the cdrom. > > > > A lot of the cool bootable recovery floppys use the 1.7M format which if you > use as the image to dd, mkisofs chokes on. :( > Or does anyone know if a newer version does accept this? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Aug 2 08:21:07 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20008] Import/Export Encyrption laws (OT?) References: <000d01bffc7e$4998e920$1100a8c0@marnan.mpls.uswest.net> Message-ID: <39882043.D4D2DA01@tc.umn.edu> Jonathan Kline wrote: > > Does anyone know the current US encyrption laws? I would like to mirror a > strong encyption iso, and possibly have people from other countries dl it. > I'm trying to mirror Gibraltar, but here is an excerpt from its owner: > > Is it a problem that Gibraltar contains strong encryption ? I do not > know the > legal situation in the USA at the moment. Is it now possible to "export" > such > software from the USA when it was originally put together outside and is > only > mirrored in the USA ? > > TIA: > Also if its leagal to mirror it like this, would RT be interested in > hosting the mirror? I'm not 100% sure how this works. In fact, I'm sure than very few people know how it works. You can post encryption software in the US, and you can export 128bit (and higher?) encryption. However, I believe you have to put a small effort into blocking countries like China, Iran, Iraq, etc. from accessing your server (you could probably just put those country codes in /etc/hosts.deny). From what I understand, it's just a matter of e-mailing someone in the government and telling them that you have encryption software on your site. I'm not sure _who_ you have to send that e-mail to, but you could ask the kernel.org maintainers if you can't find that information anywhere else. Of course, if the encryption algorithms you use are patented or copyrighted, life gets a bit more difficult. You might be able to do this if your are in a non-profit organization (school, library, etc), as they are exempt from some of the restrictions surrounding those things.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Who is "they" anyway? / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mjn at umn.edu Wed Aug 2 08:24:25 2000 From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:20014] Suggestions... Message-ID: I have a situation which I don't know how to solve better than I have and I'd like to get some feedback from you folks. We have a RedHat box which we are using, by way of a little trickery, as the MLM(majordomo) in concert without our Novell Groupwise mail server. Now, the U has the central Peoplesoft dbs which our data guy pulls info about our department from and generates all sorts of file for us so we can populate the Majordomo mailing lists and the Groupwise addressbooks. The problem is that we have been able to automate most of the process for importing the address books but not the mailing lists. We are importing from Oracle to a windows SQL server where the data is manipulated and puked out into the formats we need but I cannot think of a good way to get it from windows to Redhat. I thought of running samba but it seems a little daunting and a bit much condering this is one person and one task; I'd just much prefer not running the service. Any other ideas? The only other thing I could come up with was a root level cron which would sweep an ftp'able folder for new files...if it finds them, they are copied to the majordomo lists directory. This, of course, is only for updating the lists... suggestions? ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ ____________________________ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jhawley at bgea.org Wed Aug 2 08:24:59 2000 From: jhawley at bgea.org (John Hawley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19968] Bootable Image Lilo and CDRW References: Message-ID: <3988212B.CCCCCAE7@bgea.org> ... from the mkisofs man page. The '-b' option specifies the boot image and it says here what the allowable boot image sizes are. I forget the exact error message, but it definately did not like 1.7 meg boot floppy images. -b eltorito_boot_image Specifies the path and filename of the boot image to be used when making an "El Torito" bootable CD. The pathname must be relative to the source path specified to mkisofs. This option is required to make an "El Torito" bootable CD. The boot image must be exactly the size of either a 1.2, 1.44, or a 2.88 meg floppy, and mkisofs will use this size when creating the output iso9660 filesystem. It is assumed that the first 512 byte sector should be read from the boot image (it is essentially emulat? ing a normal floppy drive). This will work, for example, if the boot image is a LILO based boot floppy. Charles Clifton Fulton wrote: > You don't want to use mkisofs on the file if you are trying to make a > bootable CD. Just burn the floppy image directly. > > I don't see why mkisofs would choke on it though. It should be just > another file, but I haven't tried with odd sizes. What does mkisofs say? > > Charlie > > On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, John Hawley wrote: > > > jrsmit2@uswest.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > So you need to make a bootable floppy (you can even do a 2.88 meg floppy if > > > you've got one) image and write that to the cdrom. > > > > > > > A lot of the cool bootable recovery floppys use the 1.7M format which if you > > use as the image to dd, mkisofs chokes on. :( > > Or does anyone know if a newer version does accept this? > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- John Hawley Network Administrator IT Services // BGEA 612.335.1334 <=> jhawley@bgea.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Wed Aug 2 08:26:02 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20008] Import/Export Encyrption laws (OT?) In-Reply-To: <000d01bffc7e$4998e920$1100a8c0@marnan.mpls.uswest.net> Message-ID: this also brings up another question on import/export of encryption.. I am looking at a job which has offices in multiple countries, and they want to be able to setup secure VPN links (instead of just ftp copying files) between their sites, what laws are involved with doing stuff like IPsec, or other tunneling with encryption? Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Wed Aug 2 08:43:02 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (Gabe Turner (officer)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20008] Import/Export Encyrption laws (OT?) In-Reply-To: ; from ben@nerp.net on Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 08:26:02AM -0500 References: <000d01bffc7e$4998e920$1100a8c0@marnan.mpls.uswest.net> Message-ID: <20000802084302.B57407@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Ah, a fairly unique scenario, indeed. If I were you, I'd search /., or maybe send this in as an "Ask /." entry. Gabe On Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 08:26:02AM -0500, Ben Kochie wrote: > this also brings up another question on import/export of encryption.. I am > looking at a job which has offices in multiple countries, and they want > to be able to setup secure VPN links (instead of just ftp copying > files) between their sites, what laws are involved with doing stuff like > IPsec, or other tunneling with encryption? > > Thank You, > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] > | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] > | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] > | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "My opera records! All goobered bubble gum!" - Ren Hoek in "Sven Hoek" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dusk at ravendusk.org Wed Aug 2 10:25:04 2000 From: dusk at ravendusk.org (John R. Sheets) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:20018] apt-get across distributions Message-ID: <20000802102504.A3188@ravendusk.org> Hi, I seem to remember someone saying that you could use apt-get to fetch a package in a different distribution. I'm currently running potato frozen and would like the latest-greatest Zope. The frozen version of Zope is 2.1.6, while the zope in unstable is 2.2.0. How can I pull the unstable zope into my frozen box? Do I have to add something to sources.list, or can I do it from the command line? Thanks, John -- dusk@ravendusk.org http://www.gnome.org jsheets@codeweavers.com http://www.worldforge.org http://advogato.org/person/jsheets --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Wed Aug 2 10:53:43 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20018] apt-get across distributions In-Reply-To: <20000802102504.A3188@ravendusk.org> Message-ID: Edit sources.list. I just did that to install glibc6 on my slink+ box. I should get off my duff and do a dist-upgrade, but work has my blinders on to doing much that doesn't have to do with the project I'm working on. On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, John R. Sheets wrote: > Hi, > > I seem to remember someone saying that you could use apt-get to fetch a > package in a different distribution. I'm currently running potato > frozen and would like the latest-greatest Zope. The frozen version of > Zope is 2.1.6, while the zope in unstable is 2.2.0. How can I pull the > unstable zope into my frozen box? Do I have to add something to > sources.list, or can I do it from the command line? > > Thanks, > John > > -- Lottery: a tax on people who are bad at math --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Wed Aug 2 10:54:50 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19997] Debian 2.1 In-Reply-To: <20000801165137.C11544@localhost> Message-ID: On Tue, 1 Aug 2000, Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 02:19:41PM -0500, Troy Schmidt wrote: > >Thanks I will compile woody! > > > compile? > Best bet is to get a iso of frozen and update from that. Speaking of which, can someone sell me a CD of frozen? Maybe at the install fest? Thx, Phil -- Lottery: a tax on people who are bad at math --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From esper at sherohman.org Wed Aug 2 10:58:09 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20014] Suggestions... In-Reply-To: from mjn at "Aug 2, 2000 08:24:25 am" Message-ID: mjn said: > I thought of running samba but it seems a > little daunting and a bit much condering this is one person and one > task; I'd just much prefer not running the service. Samba's not that hard to set up. Or, if your concern is for security, both smb.conf and hosts.deny can be used to restrict access so that only the one client you want can talk to the samba share. > Any other ideas? The only other thing I could come up with was a root > level cron which would sweep an ftp'able folder for new files...if it > finds them, they are copied to the majordomo lists directory. This, of > course, is only for updating the lists... FTP was my next suggestion, though I would do it the other way around - have the Windows box FTP to RH when a new dataset is available. Or at least send email which can be used to trigger a script which then does the update. (In general, I perfer to avoid polling-based solutions. They typically suffer from worse response times and higher levels of resource usage. And to improve one, you usually have to make the other worse.) -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dusk at ravendusk.org Wed Aug 2 11:08:14 2000 From: dusk at ravendusk.org (John R. Sheets) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20018] apt-get across distributions In-Reply-To: ; from mend0070@tc.umn.edu on Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 10:53:43AM -0500 References: <20000802102504.A3188@ravendusk.org> Message-ID: <20000802110813.B3188@ravendusk.org> On Wednesday, August 02, 2000, Philip C Mendelsohn wrote: > Edit sources.list. I just did that to install glibc6 on my slink+ > box. I should get off my duff and do a dist-upgrade, but work has my > blinders on to doing much that doesn't have to do with the project I'm > working on. Is there an official mechanism for that, or do you have to hack it in, do the install, then hack it back out? If it's an official option, how do I tell it to only install/update certain packages from unstable? John -- dusk@ravendusk.org http://www.gnome.org jsheets@codeweavers.com http://www.worldforge.org http://advogato.org/person/jsheets --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Wed Aug 2 11:46:56 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20018] apt-get across distributions In-Reply-To: <20000802110813.B3188@ravendusk.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, John R. Sheets wrote: > On Wednesday, August 02, 2000, Philip C Mendelsohn wrote: > > Edit sources.list. I just did that to install glibc6 on my slink+ > > box. I should get off my duff and do a dist-upgrade, but work has my > > blinders on to doing much that doesn't have to do with the project I'm > > working on. > > Is there an official mechanism for that, or do you have to hack it in, > do the install, then hack it back out? If it's an official option, how > do I tell it to only install/update certain packages from unstable? Edit your sources.list to include unstable, then apt-get install 'package1, package2, ... ' It will go find the most current package automagically. Alternatively, you can download a .deb and run dpkg -i $dir/$package.deb where $dir is where you put it and $package is whatever the package is called. Cheers, Phil M -- Lottery: a tax on people who are bad at math --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Wed Aug 2 12:02:26 2000 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20018] apt-get across distributions In-Reply-To: ; from Philip C Mendelsohn on Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 11:46:56AM -0500 References: <20000802110813.B3188@ravendusk.org> Message-ID: <20000802120226.A1591@baker.space.umn.edu> On Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 11:46:56AM -0500, Philip C Mendelsohn wrote: > On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, John R. Sheets wrote: > > > On Wednesday, August 02, 2000, Philip C Mendelsohn wrote: > > > Edit sources.list. I just did that to install glibc6 on my slink+ > > > box. I should get off my duff and do a dist-upgrade, but work has my > > > blinders on to doing much that doesn't have to do with the project I'm > > > working on. > > > > Is there an official mechanism for that, or do you have to hack it in, > > do the install, then hack it back out? If it's an official option, how > > do I tell it to only install/update certain packages from unstable? Yeah, you have to hack it in and out by hand. > Edit your sources.list to include unstable, then I'm not usually one to pick nits, but then you should: "apt-get update" to get the package listing from unstable. then: > apt-get install 'package1, package2, ... ' > > It will go find the most current package automagically. Then, if you don't want to get other packages, change your sources.list back to frozen and re-run apt-get update. Its a little hackish, but it works nice ;) -- Jim Crumley | crumley@belka.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dusk at ravendusk.org Wed Aug 2 12:49:01 2000 From: dusk at ravendusk.org (John R. Sheets) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20018] apt-get across distributions In-Reply-To: <20000802120226.A1591@baker.space.umn.edu>; from crumley@belka.space.umn.edu on Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 12:02:26PM -0500 References: <20000802110813.B3188@ravendusk.org> <20000802120226.A1591@baker.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20000802124901.C3188@ravendusk.org> On Wednesday, August 02, 2000, Jim Crumley wrote: > On Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 11:46:56AM -0500, Philip C Mendelsohn wrote: > Yeah, you have to hack it in and out by hand. > > > Edit your sources.list to include unstable, then > > I'm not usually one to pick nits, but then you should: > "apt-get update" > to get the package listing from unstable. > > then: > > apt-get install 'package1, package2, ... ' > > > > It will go find the most current package automagically. > > Then, if you don't want to get other packages, change your > sources.list back to frozen and re-run apt-get update. > > Its a little hackish, but it works nice ;) Sounds good. Thanks guys! John -- dusk@ravendusk.org http://www.gnome.org jsheets@codeweavers.com http://www.worldforge.org http://advogato.org/person/jsheets --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From barnabas at knicknack.net Wed Aug 2 12:46:09 2000 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (barnabas@knicknack.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20010] tape back programs In-Reply-To: ; from jpschewe@eggplant.mtu.net on Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 07:55:32AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20000802124609.A26434@knicknack.net> Are you aware that amanda can use tar to do backups? If you use tar, you can also use exclusion lists to split your partition backup into several pieces. Eric On Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 07:55:32AM -0500, Jon Schewe wrote: > Got a problem here. I'm looking for a backup program to back up partitions > that are larger than my tapes, so I need the backups to span multiple tapes. > Taper claims it can do it, but not very well, plus it has a limit of 4GB on a > backup run, I need closer to 7Gb, right now, larger later. Amanda looks good > except that docs state that it can't backup a partition that is larger than a > tape. > > Any suggestions? I've got a SCSI tape drive that uses wide QIC 3080 tapes. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ecrist at ardent-hacker.net Wed Aug 2 13:02:11 2000 From: ecrist at ardent-hacker.net (Eric F Crist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20014] Suggestions... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00080213034601.15527@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> Just a suggestion: If you're concerned about others getting unauthorized access to the list, set it up so that the SQL server can upload the files to a directory where it only has write permission. Then, you could use a simple shell script via cron that has read/write access to the same directory. This way, you're not compromising using root... On Wed, 02 Aug 2000, you wrote: > I have a situation which I don't know how to solve better than I have and > I'd like to get some feedback from you folks. > > We have a RedHat box which we are using, by way of a little trickery, as > the MLM(majordomo) in concert without our Novell Groupwise mail server. > > Now, the U has the central Peoplesoft dbs which our data guy pulls info > about our department from and generates all sorts of file for us so we can > populate the Majordomo mailing lists and the Groupwise addressbooks. > > The problem is that we have been able to automate most of the process for > importing the address books but not the mailing lists. We are importing > from Oracle to a windows SQL server where the data is manipulated and > puked out into the formats we need but I cannot think of a good way to get > it from windows to Redhat. I thought of running samba but it seems a > little daunting and a bit much condering this is one person and one > task; I'd just much prefer not running the service. > > Any other ideas? The only other thing I could come up with was a root > level cron which would sweep an ftp'able folder for new files...if it > finds them, they are copied to the majordomo lists directory. This, of > course, is only for updating the lists... > > suggestions? > > ____________________________ > Mike Neuharth > ADCS Technology Specialist > http://www.umn.edu/adcs > > E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu > Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com > http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ > ____________________________ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Eric F Crist System Administrator Ardent-Hacker.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net Wed Aug 2 13:24:18 2000 From: jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20010] tape back programs In-Reply-To: barnabas@knicknack.net's message of "Wed, 2 Aug 2000 12:46:09 -0500" References: <20000802124609.A26434@knicknack.net> Message-ID: But I don't want to split it. If I have to split it at a tape then I might as well use taper. barnabas@knicknack.net writes: > Are you aware that amanda can use tar to do backups? If you use tar, > you can also use exclusion lists to split your partition backup into > several pieces. > > Eric > > On Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 07:55:32AM -0500, Jon Schewe wrote: > > Got a problem here. I'm looking for a backup program to back up partitions > > that are larger than my tapes, so I need the backups to span multiple tapes. > > Taper claims it can do it, but not very well, plus it has a limit of 4GB on a > > backup run, I need closer to 7Gb, right now, larger later. Amanda looks good > > except that docs state that it can't backup a partition that is larger than a > > tape. > > > > Any suggestions? I've got a SCSI tape drive that uses wide QIC 3080 tapes. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Jon Schewe http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe jpschewe@eggplant.mtu.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Wed Aug 2 15:14:02 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20018] apt-get across distributions In-Reply-To: <20000802120226.A1591@baker.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, Jim Crumley wrote: > I'm not usually one to pick nits, but then you should: > "apt-get update" > to get the package listing from unstable. That's not a nit, it's a glaring oversight on my part! Thanks. Phil M -- Lottery: a tax on people who are bad at math --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kbullock at ringworld.org Wed Aug 2 15:34:05 2000 From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin Bullock) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19997] Debian 2.1 In-Reply-To: ; from mend0070@tc.umn.edu on Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 10:54:50AM -0500 References: <20000801165137.C11544@localhost> Message-ID: <20000802153405.A8517@ringworld.org> On Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 10:54:50AM -0500, Philip C Mendelsohn wrote: > Speaking of which, can someone sell me a CD of frozen? Maybe at the > install fest? I have the TC3 (read: most recent) Potato ISO still. I could burn an extra copy for you for, say, $1.25, but I can't come to the Installfest. Lemme know if you're interested. -- Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa Kevin R. Bullock --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Wed Aug 2 15:54:15 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19997] Debian 2.1 In-Reply-To: <20000802153405.A8517@ringworld.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, Kevin Bullock wrote: > On Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 10:54:50AM -0500, Philip C Mendelsohn wrote: > > Speaking of which, can someone sell me a CD of frozen? Maybe at the > > install fest? > > I have the TC3 (read: most recent) Potato ISO still. I could burn an > extra copy for you for, say, $1.25, but I can't come to the > Installfest. Lemme know if you're interested. Sure. e-mail me off list to make arrangements -- whatever works for you. Phil -- Lottery: a tax on people who are bad at math --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Wed Aug 2 19:29:19 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:20032] Intel 810 motherboards Message-ID: <20000802192919.B9024@real-time.com> [slightly OT:] What are people's expreriences with Intel 810 motherboards? I've seen a couple, and they've both been abominable. couldn't get sound working on one (and sent it back to the seller); and today I'm wrestling with one that refuses to see an older (IDE) HDD properly on the first IDE controller (a UDMA/66 one). the HDD doesn't show up in the BIOS setup (the place it's supposed to be on the IDE chain, shows up as 'not installed'); and while it *will* read the boot sector off the drive, and attempt to boot; both DOS and winNT crap out, not finding the device. I've booted with another (new) HDD; and winNT will see the old HDD just fine then. DOS fdisk recognizes that there's a drive there; but can't read any information about it. I'm suspecting a crappy BIOS. (isn't this the mobo model that had DIMM slot problems at first?) Carl Soderstrom ------------------------------------------------------- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (612) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Wed Aug 2 19:54:21 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:20033] index coloring in Mutt Message-ID: <20000802195421.B9597@real-time.com> I finally got around to figuring out how to do this; after seeing it in some screengrabs from Rasterman and the like. It highlights entries in Mutt's message index, according to a given regexp. very cool, very useful stuff. I *really* wish they had included it in the basic configuration file, as I think it's one of Mutt's coolest features. dunno why I haven't seen this stuff more often. add these lines to your .muttrc, and change them to taste. also check mutt's manual.txt, section 4.2, for more information on built-in patterns. (like ~D, etc) ## color message index ! uncolor index * # unset all color index entries color index white red ~N # New color index magenta default ~T # Tagged color index blue default ~D # Deleted color index green default "TCLUG" Carl Soderstrom ------------------------------------------------------- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (612) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Aug 2 20:05:32 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:20034] [OT] alpha hardware Message-ID: <20000802200532.B13483@localhost> Hey all sorry for OT post but here goes. I have some machines at work that are Running AlphaPC 164LX mother boards and (I believe) 264 alpha processors. One of the Motherboards is bad (I think) and would like to purchase a replacement. I have next to 0, well o.k. 0 experience with alpha architecture and am having a hell of a time find such an animal. The alpha-processor.com website says the board is discontiued.... Any help would be greatly appreciated. Oh yeah and the reason I (we) think the mobo is bad is on boot it won't POST. Sometimes it beeps sometimes not. When it does it gives 6 beeps and according to the book this is an error code which sounds to me like it can't load the BIOS image from the ROM chip. I can't remember the exact wordage of it. Thanks all. -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Aug 2 20:19:05 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19968] Bootable Image Lilo and CDRW References: Message-ID: <3988C889.D4210AD4@tc.umn.edu> Charles Clifton Fulton wrote: > > You don't want to use mkisofs on the file if you are trying to make a > bootable CD. This makes sense. > Just burn the floppy image directly. This doesn't. From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Aug 2 20:26:32 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:20036] Text web browsing (was: index coloring in Mutt) References: <20000802195421.B9597@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3988CA48.BB07687C@tc.umn.edu> This is sort of in the same vein as colorized Mutt. I think I'd heard of it before, but I finally tried it out today. The Links browser is a nice replacement for Lynx (though it doesn't seem to support cookies or SSL, but that can be fixed). It actually displays tables, and even does a very good job on my homepage (a mess of tables that still screws up Mozilla..) http://artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~mikulas/links/ And, of course, the obligatory screenshots: http://artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~mikulas/links/screenshots/png.html -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ How do you make Windows / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ faster? Throw it harder. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dante at plethora.net Wed Aug 2 20:49:02 2000 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20036] Text web browsing (was: index coloring in Mutt) In-Reply-To: <3988CA48.BB07687C@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: Links is good, so is w3m. I use whichever one is more readily available ATM. Keybindings are fun when you switch back and forth though ;) Daniel Taylor Yoda of borg we are, futile resistance is, dante@plethora.net assimilated you will be, hmmm! On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, Mike Hicks wrote: > This is sort of in the same vein as colorized Mutt. I think I'd heard > of it before, but I finally tried it out today. The Links browser is a > nice replacement for Lynx (though it doesn't seem to support cookies or > SSL, but that can be fixed). It actually displays tables, and even does > a very good job on my homepage (a mess of tables that still screws up > Mozilla..) > > http://artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~mikulas/links/ > > And, of course, the obligatory screenshots: > > http://artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~mikulas/links/screenshots/png.html > > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ How do you make Windows > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ faster? Throw it harder. > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Aug 2 21:55:00 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20036] Text web browsing (was: index coloring in Mutt) In-Reply-To: ; from dante@plethora.net on Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 08:49:02PM -0500 References: <3988CA48.BB07687C@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20000802215459.A13677@localhost> On Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 08:49:02PM -0500, Daniel Taylor wrote: >Links is good, so is w3m. I use whichever one is more readily available >ATM. Keybindings are fun when you switch back and forth though ;) I use X. No since being a glutton. Netscape has it's downfalls but it's faster (Not faster as in program performace, faster as in quicker to use, at least for me.) and easier on the eyes than those nasty text browsers. > >Daniel Taylor Yoda of borg we are, futile resistance is, >dante@plethora.net assimilated you will be, hmmm! > >On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, Mike Hicks wrote: > >> This is sort of in the same vein as colorized Mutt. I think I'd heard >> of it before, but I finally tried it out today. The Links browser is a >> nice replacement for Lynx (though it doesn't seem to support cookies or >> SSL, but that can be fixed). It actually displays tables, and even does >> a very good job on my homepage (a mess of tables that still screws up >> Mozilla..) >> >> http://artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~mikulas/links/ >> >> And, of course, the obligatory screenshots: >> >> http://artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~mikulas/links/screenshots/png.html >> >> -- >> _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ How do you make Windows >> / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ faster? Throw it harder. >> \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) >> [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org >> > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Aug 2 23:13:32 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20036] Text web browsing (was: index coloring in Mutt) References: <3988CA48.BB07687C@tc.umn.edu> <20000802215459.A13677@localhost> Message-ID: <3988F16C.EF589E9F@tc.umn.edu> Ben Lutgens wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 08:49:02PM -0500, Daniel Taylor wrote: > >Links is good, so is w3m. I use whichever one is more readily available > >ATM. Keybindings are fun when you switch back and forth though ;) > > I use X. No since being a glutton. Netscape has it's downfalls but it's faster > (Not faster as in program performace, faster as in quicker to use, at least > for me.) and easier on the eyes than those nasty text browsers. Well, I really hate lynx for text browsing. Links makes it very tolerable. At any rate, it's good for checking out a controversial article on a site that is more interested in getting advertising hits than giving out truthful information... -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Bills travel through the / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ mail at twice the speed \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) of checks. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Thu Aug 3 00:09:01 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19968] Bootable Image Lilo and CDRW References: <3988C889.D4210AD4@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3988FE6D.5DAC1F6@tcfreenet.org> > >From what I understand, a floppy disk image is placed in a special > location on the disc. The system BIOS is able to read that section of > the CD and load it into memory. If you burn the floppy image directly > to a CD, it is no longer what I would call a `true' CD. It doesn't > follow any of the standards at all and wouldn't be recognizeable as a CD > by anything trying to read it. You wouldn't be able to put anything > else on the CD (well, I suppose you could read it back with `dd', but > that's a suboptimal option). Also, as it would (at most) only the boot > block of the floppy image would be read, you wouldn't be able to boot > off of it. Linux should read it. CDROM, HD partition, floppy, same diff as far as Linux is concerned. ;) Have yet to mess with it myself, but a bootable CD is just a floppy disk image on the ISO filesystem with some magic pointer pointing to it. There's also some boot catalog file you have to have but I don't understand what it actually does... Go RTFM on making bootable CDs. :P --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu Thu Aug 3 07:38:06 2000 From: cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu (Charles Clifton Fulton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20034] [OT] alpha hardware In-Reply-To: <20000802200532.B13483@localhost> Message-ID: On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, Ben Lutgens wrote: > I have some machines at work that are Running AlphaPC 164LX mother boards and > (I believe) 264 alpha processors. One of the Motherboards is bad (I think) and > would like to purchase a replacement. I have next to 0, well o.k. 0 experience > with alpha architecture and am having a hell of a time find such an animal. > The alpha-processor.com website says the board is discontiued.... Any help > would be greatly appreciated. The 164LX is a 21164 MB. I *think* all of the 21264 processors have a slot design (maybe not early ones?) > Oh yeah and the reason I (we) think the mobo is bad is on boot it won't POST. > Sometimes it beeps sometimes not. When it does it gives 6 beeps and according > to the book this is an error code which sounds to me like it can't load the > BIOS image from the ROM chip. I can't remember the exact wordage of it. One very nice thing about Alpha systems is that most all of them support serial consoles right out of the box. It's called debug monitor mode. The usually go to this is something isn't right. You can force it by booting without a keyboard plugged in. I used may laptop and minicom to get mice going (I tried to change the boot to the SRM console to use UNIX before I installed the ROM image) I would suggest plugging in a terminal (9600 8,N,1) and see what's coming out. You can reflash the ROM from there too, and do a memory test. I wish PCs had something like that. Charlie --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Aug 3 08:12:26 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20034] [OT] alpha hardware In-Reply-To: ; from cf352197@oak.cats.ohiou.edu on Thu, Aug 03, 2000 at 08:38:06AM -0400 References: <20000802200532.B13483@localhost> Message-ID: <20000803081226.A14244@localhost> On Thu, Aug 03, 2000 at 08:38:06AM -0400, Charles Clifton Fulton wrote: >On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, Ben Lutgens wrote: > >The 164LX is a 21164 MB. I *think* all of the 21264 processors have a >slot design (maybe not early ones?) Yeah, this one is flat, shaped kinda like a socket 7 chip. Also on the socket itself it says 499Socket > > >I would suggest plugging in a terminal (9600 8,N,1) and see what's coming >out. You can reflash the ROM from there too, and do a memory test. I >wish PCs had something like that. > So there's a chance that it may be something else? O.k. look slike i'll try that. Should be fun anyway. I did want to lear a little about alpha hardware and what better way. -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Thu Aug 3 08:57:14 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20034] [OT] alpha hardware In-Reply-To: <20000803081226.A14244@localhost> Message-ID: While we're on the subject of Alpha's, i'm looking to purchase an inexpensive one. "Old work" found an Avanti 233MHz for like $300 or something but I can't find them anywhere. Everyone on Ebay thinks they can charge upwards of $800 for Alpha systems (usually the description says "I don't know what this thing is"). I checked dcponline.com but they didn't seem to have anything in my price range. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Thu, 3 Aug 2000, Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Thu, Aug 03, 2000 at 08:38:06AM -0400, Charles Clifton Fulton wrote: > >On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, Ben Lutgens wrote: > > > >The 164LX is a 21164 MB. I *think* all of the 21264 processors have a > >slot design (maybe not early ones?) > > Yeah, this one is flat, shaped kinda like a socket 7 chip. Also on the socket > itself it says 499Socket > > > > > > >I would suggest plugging in a terminal (9600 8,N,1) and see what's coming > >out. You can reflash the ROM from there too, and do a memory test. I > >wish PCs had something like that. > > > So there's a chance that it may be something else? > > O.k. look slike i'll try that. Should be fun anyway. I did want to lear a > little about alpha hardware and what better way. > -- > Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 > > > Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------­ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From anave at macalester.edu Thu Aug 3 09:10:24 2000 From: anave at macalester.edu (anave@macalester.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:20044] Latex Problem In-Reply-To: <965262582.26043.ezmlm@mn-linux.org> Message-ID: Anyone good at troubleshooting Latex? I've got a really weird problem with dvips and mktexpk. I've got it narrowed down to mktexdir (which mktexpk calls), which seems to fail for no reason. I've checked write privs many times, and I have reinstalled Latex several times, both from binaries and RPMs. If someone has an idea, I'd sure be glad to hear it. --Adam Nave anave@macalester.edu --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Thu Aug 3 09:18:27 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:20045] DSL Message-ID: In case anyone here was interested in getting DSL but couldn't loop qual (even if you were within the proper distance) [US|Q]west began removing load coils from lines in late June. They expect to be done by Q1 2001. Unfortunately the site with the list of where they are completed isn't available so i don't have any more information, but you may want to try another loop qualification in the coming months. Also here are the latest CO's that now support DSL: MN: Duluth Melrose, Richfield, Stillwater Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From john1536 at tc.umn.edu Thu Aug 3 09:58:36 2000 From: john1536 at tc.umn.edu (Troy A. Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20045] DSL References: Message-ID: <3989889C.1827E9DE@tc.umn.edu> Can you do or say anything to get USWest to put the proper equipment for DSL at your CO (mine is Fridley)? Adam Maloney wrote: > > In case anyone here was interested in getting DSL but couldn't loop qual > (even if you were within the proper distance) [US|Q]west began removing > load coils from lines in late June. They expect to be done by Q1 2001. > Unfortunately the site with the list of where they are completed isn't > available so i don't have any more information, but you may want to try > another loop qualification in the coming months. > > Also here are the latest CO's that now support DSL: > > MN: Duluth Melrose, Richfield, Stillwater > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Troy Johnson mailto:john1536@tc.umn.edu http://umn.edu/~john1536/ ...Virtually never are murderers the ordinary, law-abiding people against whom gun bans are aimed. Almost without exception, murderers are extreme aberrants with lifelong histories of crime, substance abuse, psychopathology, mental retardation and/or irrational violence against those around them, as well as other hazardous behavior, e.g., automobile and gun accidents." -- Don B. Kates, writing on statistical patterns in gun crime --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Thu Aug 3 10:20:30 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20045] DSL In-Reply-To: <3989889C.1827E9DE@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: You can call and whine, and if enough people do they may accelerate it. Other than that there's nothing you can really do. Are you sure the problem is that there's no DSLAM in Fridley? FAIK there's a lot of fiber right to the doorsteps out there that's preventing people from getting DSL. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Thu, 3 Aug 2000, Troy A. Johnson wrote: > Can you do or say anything to get USWest to put the proper equipment for > DSL at your CO (mine is Fridley)? > > Adam Maloney wrote: > > > > In case anyone here was interested in getting DSL but couldn't loop qual > > (even if you were within the proper distance) [US|Q]west began removing > > load coils from lines in late June. They expect to be done by Q1 2001. > > Unfortunately the site with the list of where they are completed isn't > > available so i don't have any more information, but you may want to try > > another loop qualification in the coming months. > > > > Also here are the latest CO's that now support DSL: > > > > MN: Duluth Melrose, Richfield, Stillwater > > > > Adam Maloney > > Systems Administrator > > Sihope Communications > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > -- > Troy Johnson mailto:john1536@tc.umn.edu http://umn.edu/~john1536/ > ...Virtually never are murderers the ordinary, law-abiding people > against whom gun bans are aimed. Almost without exception, murderers > are extreme aberrants with lifelong histories of crime, substance > abuse, psychopathology, mental retardation and/or irrational violence > against those around them, as well as other hazardous behavior, e.g., > automobile and gun accidents." > -- Don B. Kates, writing on statistical patterns in gun crime > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From natecars at real-time.com Thu Aug 3 10:25:34 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20034] [OT] alpha hardware In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 3 Aug 2000, Adam Maloney wrote: > While we're on the subject of Alpha's, i'm looking to purchase an > inexpensive one. "Old work" found an Avanti 233MHz for like $300 or > something but I can't find them anywhere. Everyone on Ebay thinks they > can charge upwards of $800 for Alpha systems (usually the description says > "I don't know what this thing is"). I checked dcponline.com but they > didn't seem to have anything in my price range. I've got an old Multia I'd sell for cheap... 166mhz, 0k memory.. just the system + floppy.. :P -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From marshmallowmateys at email.com Thu Aug 3 10:30:43 2000 From: marshmallowmateys at email.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20045] DSL Message-ID: <383916976.965316643359.JavaMail.root@web576-ec.mail.com> What's the status on running DSL over fiber? I heard it was in development but I've been out of the loop for so long that I never heard what happened next. It ticked me off because in my old place I could SEE the building that the DSLAM was in. Thanks to ssssssssSeren Innovations my building was completely fiber fed because they wanted everyone to use their cable modem service instead. I did call and whine a couple times, but I never got any decent answers. "Oh sir, DSL is not available in your area" "We are currently working on extending the range of DSL" "Would you like to sign up for uswest.net?" ...etc You can call and whine, and if enough people do they may accelerate it. Other than that there's nothing you can really do. Are you sure the problem is that there's no DSLAM in Fridley? FAIK there's a lot of fiber right to the doorsteps out there that's preventing people from getting DSL. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Thu, 3 Aug 2000, Troy A. Johnson wrote: > Can you do or say anything to get USWest to put the proper equipment for > DSL at your CO (mine is Fridley)? > > Adam Maloney wrote: > > > > In case anyone here was interested in getting DSL but couldn't loop qual > > (even if you were within the proper distance) [US|Q]west began removing > > load coils from lines in late June. They expect to be done by Q1 2001. > > Unfortunately the site with the list of where they are completed isn't > > available so i don't have any more information, but you may want to try > > another loop qualification in the coming months. > > > > Also here are the latest CO's that now support DSL: > > > > MN: Duluth Melrose, Richfield, Stillwater > > > > Adam Maloney > > Systems Administrator > > Sihope Communications > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > -- > Troy Johnson mailto:john1536@tc.umn.edu http://umn.edu/~john1536/ > ...Virtually never are murderers the ordinary, law-abiding people > against whom gun bans are aimed. Almost without exception, murderers > are extreme aberrants with lifelong histories of crime, substance > abuse, psychopathology, mental retardation and/or irrational violence > against those around them, as well as other hazardous behavior, e.g., > automobile and gun accidents." > -- Don B. Kates, writing on statistical patterns in gun crime > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From john1536 at tc.umn.edu Thu Aug 3 10:32:12 2000 From: john1536 at tc.umn.edu (Troy A. Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20045] DSL References: Message-ID: <3989907C.64730F46@tc.umn.edu> Truth be told, I only know what I have been able to peice together from the USWest website, a couple calls to there order center, and http://www.dslreports.com/ . So I really don't know if that is the real problem. I got the most information from the calls, but the people I talked to needed to talk to others to provide any level of detail surrounding the problem (my 'not being able to get DSL from them' problem). Should I call the USWest order center and try to complain up a ladder, or is there somewhere else I can call? Does anyone know details about the Fridley telecommunication situation? If so, I would be eternally grateful to someone who would sketch out the 'real' deal. TIA, Troy Adam Maloney wrote: > > You can call and whine, and if enough people do they may accelerate it. > Other than that there's nothing you can really do. Are you sure the > problem is that there's no DSLAM in Fridley? FAIK there's a lot of fiber > right to the doorsteps out there that's preventing people from getting > DSL. > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > On Thu, 3 Aug 2000, Troy A. Johnson wrote: > > > Can you do or say anything to get USWest to put the proper equipment for > > DSL at your CO (mine is Fridley)? > > > > Adam Maloney wrote: > > > > > > In case anyone here was interested in getting DSL but couldn't loop qual > > > (even if you were within the proper distance) [US|Q]west began removing > > > load coils from lines in late June. They expect to be done by Q1 2001. > > > Unfortunately the site with the list of where they are completed isn't > > > available so i don't have any more information, but you may want to try > > > another loop qualification in the coming months. > > > > > > Also here are the latest CO's that now support DSL: > > > > > > MN: Duluth Melrose, Richfield, Stillwater > > > > > > Adam Maloney > > > Systems Administrator > > > Sihope Communications > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > -- > > Troy Johnson mailto:john1536@tc.umn.edu http://umn.edu/~john1536/ > > ...Virtually never are murderers the ordinary, law-abiding people > > against whom gun bans are aimed. Almost without exception, murderers > > are extreme aberrants with lifelong histories of crime, substance > > abuse, psychopathology, mental retardation and/or irrational violence > > against those around them, as well as other hazardous behavior, e.g., > > automobile and gun accidents." > > -- Don B. Kates, writing on statistical patterns in gun crime > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Troy Johnson mailto:john1536@tc.umn.edu http://umn.edu/~john1536/ You [should] not examine legislation in the light of the benefits it will convey if properly administered, but in the light of the wrongs it would do and the harm it would cause if improperly administered -- Lyndon Johnson, former President of the U.S. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chuck at milams.net Thu Aug 3 10:39:22 2000 From: chuck at milams.net (Chuck Milam) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20045] DSL In-Reply-To: <3989889C.1827E9DE@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: Is anyone aware of any ISPs that offer DSL in western Wisconsin? -- Chuck Milam chuck@milams.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Thu Aug 3 10:40:18 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20045] DSL In-Reply-To: <383916976.965316643359.JavaMail.root@web576-ec.mail.com> Message-ID: I haven't heard much on the development of running over fiber but I know US-West was working really hard at getting as many people on DSL as they could. That's why they started removing load coils. They're going to do those things that cost the least to US-West and return the most qualified subscribers first. Removing load coils requires them to roll a truck, which isn't cheap but is incredibly helpful. They're claiming another 1/2 million qualified subscribers when work is complete. If researching DSL over fiber will return a significant number of new qualified residences then they'll probably do it. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Thu, 3 Aug 2000, Brian wrote: > What's the status on running DSL over fiber? I heard it was in development > but I've been out of the loop for so long that I never heard what happened > next. It ticked me off because in my old place I could SEE the building > that the DSLAM was in. Thanks to ssssssssSeren Innovations my building was > completely fiber fed because they wanted everyone to use their cable modem > service instead. I did call and whine a couple times, but I never got any > decent answers. > > "Oh sir, DSL is not available in your area" > "We are currently working on extending the range of DSL" > "Would you like to sign up for uswest.net?" > ...etc > > > You can call and whine, and if enough people do they may accelerate it. > Other than that there's nothing you can really do. Are you sure the > problem is that there's no DSLAM in Fridley? FAIK there's a lot of fiber > right to the doorsteps out there that's preventing people from getting > DSL. > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > On Thu, 3 Aug 2000, Troy A. Johnson wrote: > > > Can you do or say anything to get USWest to put the proper equipment for > > DSL at your CO (mine is Fridley)? > > > > Adam Maloney wrote: > > > > > > In case anyone here was interested in getting DSL but couldn't loop qual > > > (even if you were within the proper distance) [US|Q]west began removing > > > load coils from lines in late June. They expect to be done by Q1 2001. > > > Unfortunately the site with the list of where they are completed isn't > > > available so i don't have any more information, but you may want to try > > > another loop qualification in the coming months. > > > > > > Also here are the latest CO's that now support DSL: > > > > > > MN: Duluth Melrose, Richfield, Stillwater > > > > > > Adam Maloney > > > Systems Administrator > > > Sihope Communications > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > -- > > Troy Johnson mailto:john1536@tc.umn.edu http://umn.edu/~john1536/ > > ...Virtually never are murderers the ordinary, law-abiding people > > against whom gun bans are aimed. Almost without exception, murderers > > are extreme aberrants with lifelong histories of crime, substance > > abuse, psychopathology, mental retardation and/or irrational violence > > against those around them, as well as other hazardous behavior, e.g., > > automobile and gun accidents." > > -- Don B. Kates, writing on statistical patterns in gun crime > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > ----------------------------------------------- > FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com > Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Thu Aug 3 10:41:42 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20045] DSL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The ISP has to have a POP in that LATA, so you'll probably be looking at a company like Covad or /cringe/ Rythms. Check http://www.dslreports.com and http://www.telekomnet.com Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Thu, 3 Aug 2000, Chuck Milam wrote: > > Is anyone aware of any ISPs that offer DSL in western Wisconsin? > > -- > Chuck Milam > chuck@milams.net > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From john1536 at tc.umn.edu Thu Aug 3 10:51:31 2000 From: john1536 at tc.umn.edu (Troy A. Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20045] DSL References: Message-ID: <39899503.BBA636A9@tc.umn.edu> Adam, Why do you cringe at Rythms? I want to know if I should consider them seriously as an option for DSL. Is Northpoint any better? What about Covad? Are there others I don't know about? Sorry for all the questions, and I ask forgiveness from those who either have DSL already, or don't really care about it. Troy Adam Maloney wrote: > > The ISP has to have a POP in that LATA, so you'll probably be looking at a > company like Covad or /cringe/ Rythms. Check http://www.dslreports.com -- Troy Johnson mailto:john1536@tc.umn.edu http://umn.edu/~john1536/ You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. -- Inego Montoya --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Thu Aug 3 10:57:22 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20045] DSL In-Reply-To: <39899503.BBA636A9@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: Their ads scare me :) Actually I don't have any first-hand experience with rhythms, but I've already been hearing horror stories from a few of their users of terrible service. Also they had the nerve to spam me a few months before they announced their service. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Thu, 3 Aug 2000, Troy A. Johnson wrote: > Adam, > > Why do you cringe at Rythms? I want to know if I should consider them > seriously as an option for DSL. Is Northpoint any better? What about > Covad? Are there others I don't know about? > > Sorry for all the questions, and I ask forgiveness from those who either > have DSL already, or don't really care about it. > > Troy > > Adam Maloney wrote: > > > > The ISP has to have a POP in that LATA, so you'll probably be looking at a > > company like Covad or /cringe/ Rythms. Check http://www.dslreports.com > -- > Troy Johnson mailto:john1536@tc.umn.edu http://umn.edu/~john1536/ > You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it > means. > -- Inego Montoya > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Thu Aug 3 11:09:16 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20045] DSL References: <383916976.965316643359.JavaMail.root@web576-ec.mail.com> Message-ID: <01fb01bffd65$2c7061b0$dd29680a@tgt.com> It is called IDSL. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian To: Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:20045] DSL > What's the status on running DSL over fiber? I heard it was in development > but I've been out of the loop for so long that I never heard what happened > next. It ticked me off because in my old place I could SEE the building > that the DSLAM was in. Thanks to ssssssssSeren Innovations my building was > completely fiber fed because they wanted everyone to use their cable modem > service instead. I did call and whine a couple times, but I never got any > decent answers. > > "Oh sir, DSL is not available in your area" > "We are currently working on extending the range of DSL" > "Would you like to sign up for uswest.net?" > ...etc > > > You can call and whine, and if enough people do they may accelerate it. > Other than that there's nothing you can really do. Are you sure the > problem is that there's no DSLAM in Fridley? FAIK there's a lot of fiber > right to the doorsteps out there that's preventing people from getting > DSL. > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > On Thu, 3 Aug 2000, Troy A. Johnson wrote: > > > Can you do or say anything to get USWest to put the proper equipment for > > DSL at your CO (mine is Fridley)? > > > > Adam Maloney wrote: > > > > > > In case anyone here was interested in getting DSL but couldn't loop qual > > > (even if you were within the proper distance) [US|Q]west began removing > > > load coils from lines in late June. They expect to be done by Q1 2001. > > > Unfortunately the site with the list of where they are completed isn't > > > available so i don't have any more information, but you may want to try > > > another loop qualification in the coming months. > > > > > > Also here are the latest CO's that now support DSL: > > > > > > MN: Duluth Melrose, Richfield, Stillwater > > > > > > Adam Maloney > > > Systems Administrator > > > Sihope Communications > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > -- > > Troy Johnson mailto:john1536@tc.umn.edu http://umn.edu/~john1536/ > > ...Virtually never are murderers the ordinary, law-abiding people > > against whom gun bans are aimed. Almost without exception, murderers > > are extreme aberrants with lifelong histories of crime, substance > > abuse, psychopathology, mental retardation and/or irrational violence > > against those around them, as well as other hazardous behavior, e.g., > > automobile and gun accidents." > > -- Don B. Kates, writing on statistical patterns in gun crime > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > ----------------------------------------------- > FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com > Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Thu Aug 3 11:11:39 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20045] DSL References: <39899503.BBA636A9@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <021001bffd65$81a2d640$dd29680a@tgt.com> Rythms uses the exact same equipment (Cisco) as USWest. Chances are if you qualify for Rythms, you qualify for USWest. There are many more partner ISPs to choose from if you use USWest. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Troy A. Johnson To: Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:20045] DSL > Adam, > > Why do you cringe at Rythms? I want to know if I should consider them > seriously as an option for DSL. Is Northpoint any better? What about > Covad? Are there others I don't know about? > > Sorry for all the questions, and I ask forgiveness from those who either > have DSL already, or don't really care about it. > > Troy > > Adam Maloney wrote: > > > > The ISP has to have a POP in that LATA, so you'll probably be looking at a > > company like Covad or /cringe/ Rythms. Check http://www.dslreports.com > -- > Troy Johnson mailto:john1536@tc.umn.edu http://umn.edu/~john1536/ > You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it > means. > -- Inego Montoya > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Thu Aug 3 11:15:12 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20045] DSL In-Reply-To: <01fb01bffd65$2c7061b0$dd29680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: IDSL is just ISDN, provisioned just like ISDN but it doesn't use the 16kb D channel for signalling, so your throughput rate is increased from 128k to 144k. That's why the pricing is almost identical to ISDN. But yes, it should run over fiber and the 18kft distance limit is non-existant. US-West was supposedly working on another solution to get "real" DSL to fiber-fed homes but I haven't heard any news on that. To me their roll-out of iDSL is like waving the white flag above their little foxhole...they give up. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Thu, 3 Aug 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > It is called IDSL. > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Brian > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 10:30 AM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:20045] DSL > > > > What's the status on running DSL over fiber? I heard it was in > development > > but I've been out of the loop for so long that I never heard what happened > > next. It ticked me off because in my old place I could SEE the building > > that the DSLAM was in. Thanks to ssssssssSeren Innovations my building > was > > completely fiber fed because they wanted everyone to use their cable modem > > service instead. I did call and whine a couple times, but I never got any > > decent answers. > > > > "Oh sir, DSL is not available in your area" > > "We are currently working on extending the range of DSL" > > "Would you like to sign up for uswest.net?" > > ...etc > > > > > > You can call and whine, and if enough people do they may accelerate it. > > Other than that there's nothing you can really do. Are you sure the > > problem is that there's no DSLAM in Fridley? FAIK there's a lot of fiber > > right to the doorsteps out there that's preventing people from getting > > DSL. > > > > Adam Maloney > > Systems Administrator > > Sihope Communications > > > > On Thu, 3 Aug 2000, Troy A. Johnson wrote: > > > > > Can you do or say anything to get USWest to put the proper equipment for > > > DSL at your CO (mine is Fridley)? > > > > > > Adam Maloney wrote: > > > > > > > > In case anyone here was interested in getting DSL but couldn't loop > qual > > > > (even if you were within the proper distance) [US|Q]west began > removing > > > > load coils from lines in late June. They expect to be done by Q1 > 2001. > > > > Unfortunately the site with the list of where they are completed isn't > > > > available so i don't have any more information, but you may want to > try > > > > another loop qualification in the coming months. > > > > > > > > Also here are the latest CO's that now support DSL: > > > > > > > > MN: Duluth Melrose, Richfield, Stillwater > > > > > > > > Adam Maloney > > > > Systems Administrator > > > > Sihope Communications > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > -- > > > Troy Johnson mailto:john1536@tc.umn.edu http://umn.edu/~john1536/ > > > ...Virtually never are murderers the ordinary, law-abiding people > > > against whom gun bans are aimed. Almost without exception, murderers > > > are extreme aberrants with lifelong histories of crime, substance > > > abuse, psychopathology, mental retardation and/or irrational violence > > > against those around them, as well as other hazardous behavior, e.g., > > > automobile and gun accidents." > > > -- Don B. Kates, writing on statistical patterns in gun crime > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------- > > FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com > > Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Thu Aug 3 11:26:47 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20045] DSL References: Message-ID: <024601bffd67$9edfd030$dd29680a@tgt.com> As far as I can tell - you can't get real dsl to fiber fed home - under the current scenario of DSLAM in the central office. By definition, DSL runs over copper. The only way to get DSL to fiber fed homes is to put the DSLAM out in the field at the consumer end of the fiber but outside of the home. They would have to have neighborhood DSLAMs. I am not sure this is cost effective for most. You need air conditioning and the like in these units. IDSL does run over fiber now. Northpoint and Rythms already offer this service. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Adam Maloney To: Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:20045] DSL > IDSL is just ISDN, provisioned just like ISDN but it doesn't use the > 16kb D channel for signalling, so your throughput rate is increased from > 128k to 144k. That's why the pricing is almost identical to ISDN. But > yes, it should run over fiber and the 18kft distance limit is > non-existant. US-West was supposedly working on another solution to > get "real" DSL to fiber-fed homes but I haven't heard any news on that. > To me their roll-out of iDSL is like waving the white flag above their > little foxhole...they give up. > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From natecars at real-time.com Thu Aug 3 11:54:39 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20045] DSL In-Reply-To: <021001bffd65$81a2d640$dd29680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 3 Aug 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > Rythms uses the exact same equipment (Cisco) as USWest. Chances are if you > qualify for Rythms, you qualify for USWest. There are many more partner > ISPs to choose from if you use USWest. > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net Actually, Rythms services a lot of areas USWorst doesn't. We've looked at providing DSL service through them, and it would open a lot of new areas up.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From natecars at real-time.com Thu Aug 3 11:55:11 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20045] DSL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 3 Aug 2000, Adam Maloney wrote: > IDSL is just ISDN, provisioned just like ISDN but it doesn't use the > 16kb D channel for signalling, so your throughput rate is increased from > 128k to 144k. That's why the pricing is almost identical to ISDN. But > yes, it should run over fiber and the 18kft distance limit is > non-existant. US-West was supposedly working on another solution to > get "real" DSL to fiber-fed homes but I haven't heard any news on that. > To me their roll-out of iDSL is like waving the white flag above their > little foxhole...they give up. IDSL also loses support for analog lines 'n stuff. Fun! -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jrsmit2 at uswest.com Thu Aug 3 12:11:23 2000 From: jrsmit2 at uswest.com (jrsmit2@uswest.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:20045] DSL Message-ID: When you talk about "fiber" what I believe you're talking about is a digital loop carrier, which might use fiber or might use copper wire. Normally copper is run direct from the central office to your home. You can only run that so far before your signal is gone, so about 20 years ago telephone companies started putting DLC's in between CO's and your home. They're smaller facilities (think a closet as opposed to a building) and they extend the reach of a CO. The copper from your home is run to the DLC, and then multiplexed into a digital signal, which is carried down a high capacity (optical or copper) cable. Great for phone service, and they've been putting them out in lots of neighborhoods. Since the DSL signal is outside the normal voice signalling range, the DLCs that are in the field at this point don't carry them. ISDN operates in the normal voice range, so it works. This sucks, and if there's one thing we wished, it was that there was an easy solution. Instead, the solution is to upgrade these DLC's to versions that support DSL, or get rid of them entirely. The upgrade solution is, however, vendor specific and there are multiple vendors whose efforts are at various stages. Getting rid of the DLCs is not a very cost effective option either. We've been working on either a universal vendor-neutral solution or another route since we rolled out DSL. I'm not sure how it's progressing, though. Just to clarify, not to disagree...I wish we can do something about those things soon, too. Jer IDSL is just ISDN, provisioned just like ISDN but it doesn't use the 16kb D channel for signalling, so your throughput rate is increased from 128k to 144k. That's why the pricing is almost identical to ISDN. But yes, it should run over fiber and the 18kft distance limit is non-existant. US-West was supposedly working on another solution to get "real" DSL to fiber-fed homes but I haven't heard any news on that. To me their roll-out of iDSL is like waving the white flag above their little foxhole...they give up. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Thu, 3 Aug 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > It is called IDSL. > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Brian > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 10:30 AM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:20045] DSL > > > > What's the status on running DSL over fiber? I heard it was in > development > > but I've been out of the loop for so long that I never heard what happened > > next. It ticked me off because in my old place I could SEE the building > > that the DSLAM was in. Thanks to ssssssssSeren Innovations my building > was > > completely fiber fed because they wanted everyone to use their cable modem > > service instead. I did call and whine a couple times, but I never got any > > decent answers. > > > > "Oh sir, DSL is not available in your area" > > "We are currently working on extending the range of DSL" > > "Would you like to sign up for uswest.net?" > > ...etc > > > > > > You can call and whine, and if enough people do they may accelerate it. > > Other than that there's nothing you can really do. Are you sure the > > problem is that there's no DSLAM in Fridley? FAIK there's a lot of fiber > > right to the doorsteps out there that's preventing people from getting > > DSL. > > > > Adam Maloney > > Systems Administrator > > Sihope Communications > > > > On Thu, 3 Aug 2000, Troy A. Johnson wrote: > > > > > Can you do or say anything to get USWest to put the proper equipment for > > > DSL at your CO (mine is Fridley)? > > > > > > Adam Maloney wrote: > > > > > > > > In case anyone here was interested in getting DSL but couldn't loop > qual > > > > (even if you were within the proper distance) [US|Q]west began > removing > > > > load coils from lines in late June. They expect to be done by Q1 > 2001. > > > > Unfortunately the site with the list of where they are completed isn't > > > > available so i don't have any more information, but you may want to > try > > > > another loop qualification in the coming months. > > > > > > > > Also here are the latest CO's that now support DSL: > > > > > > > > MN: Duluth Melrose, Richfield, Stillwater > > > > > > > > Adam Maloney > > > > Systems Administrator > > > > Sihope Communications > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > -- > > > Troy Johnson mailto:john1536@tc.umn.edu http://umn.edu/~john1536/ > > > ...Virtually never are murderers the ordinary, law-abiding people > > > against whom gun bans are aimed. Almost without exception, murderers > > > are extreme aberrants with lifelong histories of crime, substance > > > abuse, psychopathology, mental retardation and/or irrational violence > > > against those around them, as well as other hazardous behavior, e.g., > > > automobile and gun accidents." > > > -- Don B. Kates, writing on statistical patterns in gun crime > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------- > > FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com > > Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jrsmit2 at uswest.com Thu Aug 3 12:17:51 2000 From: jrsmit2 at uswest.com (jrsmit2@uswest.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:20045] DSL Message-ID: Here's a web page with information on what a DLC does and how it works. http://www.telco.com/products_solutions/WhitePapers/digital/page1.html They also discuss fiber-to-curb and fiber-to-the-home, but those aren't in great use anywhere. Jer --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From wilson at visi.com Thu Aug 3 12:39:57 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:20045] DSL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 3 Aug 2000 jrsmit2@uswest.com wrote: > Just to clarify, not to disagree...I wish we can do something about those > things soon, too. Thanks for the clarification Jer. Here's another quick question I've been wondering about. U.S. West tells me that the only thing preventing me from qualifiying for DSL is my distance from the CO. I have no DLC, load coils, or anything else. dslreports.com puts estimates my distance at 11,716 ft. (Covad), 42,474 ft. (NAS), or 13,731 ft. (NorthPoint). Is it possible for me to pester them into installing DSL or do I need to wait? Also, if waiting is my only possibility, then will I be waiting for them to add another CO or to develop technology that will reach further from the CO? I realize that I might be able to get DSL through another provider, but from what I've seen, the monthly cost is still too high for anything but garden-variety, U.S. West service. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From john1536 at tc.umn.edu Thu Aug 3 12:45:14 2000 From: john1536 at tc.umn.edu (Troy A. Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20045] DSL References: Message-ID: <3989AFAA.23A019E9@tc.umn.edu> Timothy Wilson wrote: > > On Thu, 3 Aug 2000 jrsmit2@uswest.com wrote: > > > Just to clarify, not to disagree...I wish we can do something about those > > things soon, too. > > Thanks for the clarification Jer. Yes, indeed. Thank you very much, Jer, Adam, Thomas, Nate, and Dale! I appreciate your words. Troy -- Troy Johnson mailto:john1536@tc.umn.edu http://umn.edu/~john1536/ The American Republic will endure, until politicians realize they can bribe the people with their own money. -- Alexis de Tocqueville --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Thu Aug 3 13:29:11 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20045] DSL References: Message-ID: <02a001bffd78$b8209870$dd29680a@tgt.com> Assuming those distances are anything close to correct, you should be able to get it now. USWest told me for two years that I could not get DSL. It runs out I am less than 11000 feet. After a certain sysadmin managed to persuade them to update their information - I suddenly qualified. I am running along nicely at 256 - and I can train at 640/272 (at 20dB). Yes, the CO was equipt back when they said I did not qualify. I was always pretty sure I did qualify because of the actual distance to the CO and the fact that I was getting as high as 53333 connects on my X2 modem (not a true indicator - but not a bad one). Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Timothy Wilson To: Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 12:39 PM Subject: RE: [TCLUG:20045] DSL > On Thu, 3 Aug 2000 jrsmit2@uswest.com wrote: > > > Just to clarify, not to disagree...I wish we can do something about those > > things soon, too. > > Thanks for the clarification Jer. Here's another quick question I've > been wondering about. > > U.S. West tells me that the only thing preventing me from qualifiying > for DSL is my distance from the CO. I have no DLC, load coils, or > anything else. dslreports.com puts estimates my distance at 11,716 ft. > (Covad), 42,474 ft. (NAS), or 13,731 ft. (NorthPoint). > > Is it possible for me to pester them into installing DSL or do I need to > wait? > > Also, if waiting is my only possibility, then will I be waiting for them > to add another CO or to develop technology that will reach further from > the CO? > > I realize that I might be able to get DSL through another provider, but > from what I've seen, the monthly cost is still too high for anything but > garden-variety, U.S. West service. > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From wilson at visi.com Thu Aug 3 14:33:53 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:20067] ancient computers Message-ID: Hi everyone, I'm working on writing a training manual for a computer education class and I'm trying to relate some new technology back to the "good old days." Are there any geezers on the list :-) who can tell me what one of those old build-it-yourself computer kits cost back in the 70s. I'm talking about the pre-Apple ][ days. I'd also appreciate any information about how much memory they had. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Thu Aug 3 14:37:49 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20067] ancient computers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 3 Aug 2000, Timothy Wilson wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I'm working on writing a training manual for a computer education class and > I'm trying to relate some new technology back to the "good old days." > > Are there any geezers on the list :-) who can tell me what one of those old > build-it-yourself computer kits cost back in the 70s. I'm talking about the > pre-Apple ][ days. I'd also appreciate any information about how much memory > they had. I don't qualify as a geezer, but I do remember what you're talking about. I think you'd be referring most likely to the MITS Altair. I think it was 4K of memory, or maybe you could deck it out with 16K. As far as cost, I don't recall -- I want to say about $800, but can't recall for sure. MITS was located in Albuquerque, NM. Cheers, Phil M -- Lottery: a tax on people who are bad at math --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From wilson at visi.com Thu Aug 3 14:40:43 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20067] ancient computers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 3 Aug 2000, Philip C Mendelsohn wrote: > I don't qualify as a geezer, but I do remember what you're talking > about. Don't be so hard on yourself. You'll be a geezer some day. :-) > I think you'd be referring most likely to the MITS Altair. I > think it was 4K of memory, or maybe you could deck it out with 16K. As > far as cost, I don't recall -- I want to say about $800, but can't recall > for sure. Thanks Phil. I believe that Heath made a lot of PC kits back in the day. Anyone have one of those? -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From trammell at nitz.hep.umn.edu Thu Aug 3 07:14:32 2000 From: trammell at nitz.hep.umn.edu (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20067] ancient computers Message-ID: <200008031214.HAA02989@nitz.hep.umn.edu> Hi Tim: My dad and I put together a ZX81 back around '78. I wish I had kept it. I think this was post-Apple-][, but dad was frugal. It had 8k ROM, 1k RAM, and a 16k expansion cartridge. It cost about $50, but you had to supply a cassete recorder (storage) and a B&W TV w/ an adapater. Loads of fun. Wrote some of my first BASIC on it, so long ago. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From gregory.siems at pca.state.mn.us Thu Aug 3 15:01:27 2000 From: gregory.siems at pca.state.mn.us (Siems, Gregory) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:20067] ancient computers Message-ID: Try http://www.nostalgia.itgo.com/Engl.html or http://www.computer-museum.org/groups/display.html GS > ---------- > From: Timothy Wilson[SMTP:wilson@visi.com] > Reply To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 2:33 PM > To: TCLUG > Subject: [TCLUG:20067] ancient computers > > Hi everyone, > > I'm working on writing a training manual for a computer education class and > I'm trying to relate some new technology back to the "good old days." > > Are there any geezers on the list :-) who can tell me what one of those old > build-it-yourself computer kits cost back in the 70s. I'm talking about the > pre-Apple ][ days. I'd also appreciate any information about how much memory > they had. > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From escargo at anubis.network.com Thu Aug 3 15:02:24 2000 From: escargo at anubis.network.com (David S. Cargo) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20067] ancient computers Message-ID: <200008032002.PAA02739@rainier.network.com> I can talk more about memory than cost. These machines had 4K, 8K, and 16K memory cards. (See: http://www.cs.virginia.edu/brochure/museum.html) There used to be classic 3 board computers, CPU card, memory card, and an I/O card. The memory card might have 1K or 4K on it. Eventually the I/O card added floppy controllers and serial ports, and then it became practical to have something like an operating system (CP/M-80) and a programming language (BASIC). dsc --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Thu Aug 3 15:02:34 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20067] ancient computers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Great...he asked for old timers, so here we go with the "I've been using computers for so long I had to bang two rocks together to get 1's" threads... I'm not exactly an old-timer either, but I learned to program on a Rat-Shack Trash 80 which is about the same age I am (the TRS-80 was the pioneer of the 20-xxx part numbers). I believe they went for around $1000 in their day, but they weren't a kit. I was lucky enough to have 8k of RAM and COLOR!!! Later did some Z-80 assembler on it. I tried to get it powered up after I moved out of my folks house, but it appears that the PSU is bad and I don't get anything. When I have more spare time I'm going to try to fix it - I have lots of old cool software and original arcade games for it. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Thu Aug 3 15:04:07 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20067] ancient computers References: Message-ID: <3989D037.5DB32181@ltiflex.com> Here's an old school project from one of my college roomates. Some parts of the progect are aproaching the 3 years late area, but there are some useful tidbits. Check the Bibliography for more stuff. http://www.brainerd.net/~kuck/history/  -- \\\|/// \\ - - // ( @ @ ) ----oOOo--(_)-oOOo-------------------------------------------- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 ---------------Ooooo------------------------------------------ ( ) ooooO ) / ( ) (_/ \ ( \_) -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From bob at math.umn.edu Thu Aug 3 15:08:21 2000 From: bob at math.umn.edu (bob@math.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20067] ancient computers In-Reply-To: <200008032002.PAA02739@rainier.network.com> from "David S. Cargo" at "Aug 3, 2000 03:02:24 pm" Message-ID: <20000803200821.19078.qmail@khusro.math.umn.edu> David S. Cargo allegedly wrote: > I can talk more about memory than cost. > > These machines had 4K, 8K, and 16K memory cards. > > (See: http://www.cs.virginia.edu/brochure/museum.html) > > There used to be classic 3 board computers, CPU card, > memory card, and an I/O card. The memory card might have > 1K or 4K on it. > > Eventually the I/O card added floppy controllers and serial > ports, and then it became practical to have something like > an operating system (CP/M-80) and a programming language > (BASIC). And we have been paying for those two mistakes ever since. ;^) Adios, Chris -- C.S. Cornuelle School of Mathematics/MCIM, University of Minnesota 206 Church St. SE, Minneapolis, MN 55455 (612) 626-8930v, (612) 624-2333f, bob at math.umn.edu Ferventer Vestite --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Thu Aug 3 15:08:26 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20045] DSL In-Reply-To: <3989889C.1827E9DE@tc.umn.edu>; from john1536@tc.umn.edu on Thu, Aug 03, 2000 at 09:58:36AM -0500 References: <3989889C.1827E9DE@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20000803150826.I9408@ringworld.org> * Troy A. Johnson [000803 09:58]: > Can you do or say anything to get USWest to put the proper equipment for > DSL at your CO (mine is Fridley)? Usually not. Prey that some third party comes in and saves the day. Perhaps just go get cable, i think its a better deal for the bandwidth you get anyhnow. DSL is good only if you really need statics, but thats what a colocation box is really for. ;) Even then, as soon as the biz services start up, there might be a decent (under 100$/mo perhaps) way to get static ip's on cable. -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org The previous system shutdown at 9:30:09 AM on 7/25/00 was unexpected. -Standard NT logfile message -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Alot of these DLC environs are out closer to the homes, in a box or underground, and with *very* *very* tight space requirements. I dont think QWest would offer DLC based xDSL until they knew of a solution that lets them force Covad and others keep their equipment at the CO instead at the DLC->copper points. -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org The previous system shutdown at 9:30:09 AM on 7/25/00 was unexpected. -Standard NT logfile message -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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As I said, i think this is waiting for a solution that doesn't allow things like Covad put their equipment with the DLC equip. ;) I couldn't believe how much they wanted for an isdn loop tho :( Had to be at least 150$ for the install. 80+$/month. -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org The previous system shutdown at 9:30:09 AM on 7/25/00 was unexpected. -Standard NT logfile message -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I > think it was 4K of memory, or maybe you could deck it out with 16K. As > far as cost, I don't recall -- I want to say about $800, but can't recall > for sure. > > MITS was located in Albuquerque, NM. IIRC, writing an OS for the Altair was one of Microsoft's first major contracts. I believe they even worked on site in Albuquerque for awhile. John -- dusk@ravendusk.org http://www.gnome.org jsheets@codeweavers.com http://www.worldforge.org http://advogato.org/person/jsheets --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From john1536 at tc.umn.edu Thu Aug 3 16:15:06 2000 From: john1536 at tc.umn.edu (Troy A. Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20045] DSL References: <20000803151831.A24161@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <3989E0DA.8913F340@tc.umn.edu> Scott Dier wrote: > > I couldn't believe how much they wanted for an isdn loop tho :( Had to > be at least 150$ for the install. 80+$/month. This is what I want: a static IP address and the freedom to use it, a constant net connection, and I want it for around $50.00 a month (or less). Is that so wrong? ;-) -- Troy Johnson mailto:john1536@tc.umn.edu http://umn.edu/~john1536/ You know why there's a Second Amendment? In case the government fails to follow the first one. -- Rush Limbaugh, in a moment of unaccustomed profundity 17 Aug 1993 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Thu Aug 3 16:22:20 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20034] [OT] alpha hardware References: Message-ID: <3989E28C.85EBE531@tcfreenet.org> Nate Carlson wrote: > > On Thu, 3 Aug 2000, Adam Maloney wrote: > > While we're on the subject of Alpha's, i'm looking to purchase an > > inexpensive one. "Old work" found an Avanti 233MHz for like $300 or > > something but I can't find them anywhere. Everyone on Ebay thinks they > > can charge upwards of $800 for Alpha systems (usually the description says > > "I don't know what this thing is"). I checked dcponline.com but they > > didn't seem to have anything in my price range. > > I've got an old Multia I'd sell for cheap... 166mhz, 0k memory.. just > the system + floppy.. :P Veeeeeery slow boxen. Won't boot with less than 16mb, and at 16mb it swaps an awful lot. I've got one masqing packets... These things are very picky about RAM too. Finding the kind it wants is difficult and expensive... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From bobdove at pipeline.com Thu Aug 3 16:31:18 2000 From: bobdove at pipeline.com (Bob W. Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20067] ancient computers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8tojossd00btedpj8gpl04ran1533linv7@4ax.com> On Thu, 3 Aug 2000 14:33:53 -0500 (CDT), you wrote: >Hi everyone, > >I'm working on writing a training manual for a computer education class and >I'm trying to relate some new technology back to the "good old days." > >Are there any geezers on the list :-) who can tell me what one of those old >build-it-yourself computer kits cost back in the 70s. I'm talking about the >pre-Apple ][ days. I'd also appreciate any information about how much memory >they had. Tim: Built my Heathkit H80 back in 1980. 2mhz. 16k memory (more than the Radio Shack Trash 80), and you had to hand solder all the cables! Took a weekend (wife and I). Played Adventure for 20 hours straight. The kit cost $1800. Bob W. Anderson Newport, MN --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Thu Aug 3 16:29:07 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20067] ancient computers In-Reply-To: <8tojossd00btedpj8gpl04ran1533linv7@4ax.com> Message-ID: I want to clarify that I had the model II TRS-80, which was color and 16k. The original was...much worse like Bob says. Bob, did you beat adventure in that 20 hours? :) Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Thu, 3 Aug 2000, Bob W. Anderson wrote: > On Thu, 3 Aug 2000 14:33:53 -0500 (CDT), you wrote: > > >Hi everyone, > > > >I'm working on writing a training manual for a computer education class and > >I'm trying to relate some new technology back to the "good old days." > > > >Are there any geezers on the list :-) who can tell me what one of those old > >build-it-yourself computer kits cost back in the 70s. I'm talking about the > >pre-Apple ][ days. I'd also appreciate any information about how much memory > >they had. > > Tim: > > Built my Heathkit H80 back in 1980. 2mhz. 16k memory (more than the Radio > Shack Trash 80), and you had to hand solder all the cables! Took a weekend > (wife and I). Played Adventure for 20 hours straight. The kit cost $1800. > > > Bob W. Anderson > Newport, MN > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Thu Aug 3 17:23:56 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:20084] iCalendar ware? Message-ID: <20000803172356.F18655@real-time.com> Is iCalendar just vaporware stuck in the IETF working group or has it been implemented somewhere? More generically, is there a shared calendar program for Linux that will work with MS Outlook? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Thu Aug 3 17:57:41 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20084] iCalendar ware? In-Reply-To: <20000803172356.F18655@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Thu, Aug 03, 2000 at 05:23:56PM -0500 References: <20000803172356.F18655@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20000803175741.B24161@ringworld.org> iPlanet's program that does web-based calandering does iCal http://www.iplanet.com/products/infrastructure/messaging/ics/index.html * Bob Tanner [000803 17:24]: > Is iCalendar just vaporware stuck in the IETF working group or has it been > implemented somewhere? > > More generically, is there a shared calendar program for Linux that will work > with MS Outlook? > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org The previous system shutdown at 9:30:09 AM on 7/25/00 was unexpected. -Standard NT logfile message -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <20000803175741.B24161@ringworld.org>; from dieman@ringworld.org on Thu, Aug 03, 2000 at 05:57:41PM -0500 References: <20000803172356.F18655@real-time.com> <20000803175741.B24161@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20000803180137.P18655@real-time.com> Quoting Scott Dier (dieman@ringworld.org): > iPlanet's program that does web-based calandering does iCal > > http://www.iplanet.com/products/infrastructure/messaging/ics/index.html http://www.iplanet.com/products/infrastructure/messaging/ics/ics2_1.html Doesn't run on Linux. :-( -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tobytoo at black-hole.com Thu Aug 3 19:11:19 2000 From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (Brian Toberman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20067] ancient computers References: Message-ID: <398A0A27.4034259E@black-hole.com> I remermber building an ols Heathkit "Computer" back in '78, it had a motorola chip, was programed in machine code, hex, anf had six 8 segment led output screen. It cost me a fortune back then, almost $900, and only had 512 bytes of mem, with a hex output. Timothy Wilson wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I'm working on writing a training manual for a computer education class and > I'm trying to relate some new technology back to the "good old days." > > Are there any geezers on the list :-) who can tell me what one of those old > build-it-yourself computer kits cost back in the 70s. I'm talking about the > pre-Apple ][ days. I'd also appreciate any information about how much memory > they had. > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Aug 3 21:11:25 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20084] iCalendar ware? References: <20000803172356.F18655@real-time.com> Message-ID: <398A264D.A09D3B7E@tc.umn.edu> Bob Tanner wrote: > > Is iCalendar just vaporware stuck in the IETF working group or has it been > implemented somewhere? > > More generically, is there a shared calendar program for Linux that will work > with MS Outlook? iCalendar support is also being implemented in Evolution, from what I understand. Unless that's the `vaporware' you're talking about... -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ You've Got Mail! / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From zibby at ringworld.org Thu Aug 3 22:24:38 2000 From: zibby at ringworld.org (Andrew S. Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20084] iCalendar ware? In-Reply-To: <398A264D.A09D3B7E@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > iCalendar support is also being implemented in Evolution, from what I > understand. Unless that's the `vaporware' you're talking about... Evolution is vapor ware. The preview edition umm...starts. No menu options to configure it to get mail yet. If it allready supports iCalendar, well, I didn't see it. =) | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | | "If there's anything more important than my | | ego around, I want it caught and shot now." | -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine iD8DBQE5ijd+/PFCAPL3hQMRAo/0AJ4nzRUHbGM1M74CyMjKbsRiQmS01QCgsUWs o9S8I7sUmf1J772/bcibcM8= =f5LZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From bobdove at pipeline.com Thu Aug 3 22:35:35 2000 From: bobdove at pipeline.com (Bob W. Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20067] ancient computers In-Reply-To: References: <8tojossd00btedpj8gpl04ran1533linv7@4ax.com> Message-ID: >I want to clarify that I had the model II TRS-80, which was color and 16k. > The original was...much worse like Bob says. > >Bob, did you beat adventure in that 20 hours? :) > No, Adam, Adventure beat ME in 20 hours. I think it took all of ten months of late night prowling and pages and pages of hand-drawn maps to finally set off that bundle of rods and escape. I still have a composite and convoluted map I drew of all the rooms, passages, and treasures. xyzzy! Bob W. Anderson Newport, MN --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Aug 3 23:31:59 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20084] iCalendar ware? References: Message-ID: <398A473F.54F585B0@tc.umn.edu> "Andrew S. Zbikowski" wrote: > > > iCalendar support is also being implemented in Evolution, from what I > > understand. Unless that's the `vaporware' you're talking about... > > Evolution is vapor ware. The preview edition umm...starts. No menu options > to configure it to get mail yet. If it allready supports iCalendar, well, > I didn't see it. =) Are you a `compile-from-source' man? Then I bet your problem is that you didn't specify the `--prefix' and `--sysconfdir' arguments when running autogen.sh or configure for Evolution and all of it's packages. Evolution works fine on my box (Though I can't say I've done anything with the iCalendar stuff). -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Don't confuse me with the / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ facts. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Fri Aug 4 00:52:35 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20084] iCalendar ware? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Thu, 3 Aug 2000, Andrew S. Zbikowski wrote: > Evolution is vapor ware. The preview edition umm...starts. No menu options > to configure it to get mail yet. If it allready supports iCalendar, well, > I didn't see it. =) You got it to START? I can't even get it to compile! -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jasonj at innominatus.com Fri Aug 4 01:17:03 2000 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20084] iCalendar ware? References: Message-ID: <398A5FDF.47021E94@innominatus.com> I installed the deb package and it worked. Not well but it worked. I configured an IMAP server with it and was able to see my mail. Although after telling it about my IMAP server i had to close the program down and restart it for it to refresh. Yaron wrote: > Hi, > > On Thu, 3 Aug 2000, Andrew S. Zbikowski wrote: > > > Evolution is vapor ware. The preview edition umm...starts. No menu options > > to configure it to get mail yet. If it allready supports iCalendar, well, > > I didn't see it. =) > > You got it to START? I can't even get it to compile! > > -Yaron > > -- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Fri Aug 4 01:44:39 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20084] iCalendar ware? In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Fri, Aug 04, 2000 at 12:52:35AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20000804014439.C24161@ringworld.org> * Yaron [000804 00:52]: > > Evolution is vapor ware. The preview edition umm...starts. No menu options > > to configure it to get mail yet. If it allready supports iCalendar, well, > > I didn't see it. =) > You got it to START? I can't even get it to compile! Hell, mozillas IMAP client seems pretty nice compared to that ;) -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org The previous system shutdown at 9:30:09 AM on 7/25/00 was unexpected. -Standard NT logfile message -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Netscape mail is goofy, but I honestly can't find anything I like better... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Fri Aug 4 02:53:03 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:20095] X wav editors? Message-ID: <398A765F.6C2CBB14@tcfreenet.org> Okay, is it just me or is there no wav editors for X that have even the most basic functionality, and will work with large files? Its insane. I occasionally need to trim mp3's before burning to CD, and rebooting to Windows to do it really sucks. Cooledit is hella cool though... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kent at structural-wood.com Fri Aug 4 07:03:45 2000 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20067] ancient computers References: <8tojossd00btedpj8gpl04ran1533linv7@4ax.com> Message-ID: <398AB121.47C22A7A@structural-wood.com> "Bob W. Anderson" wrote: > >I want to clarify that I had the model II TRS-80, which was color and 16k. > > The original was...much worse like Bob says. > > > >Bob, did you beat adventure in that 20 hours? :) > > > No, Adam, Adventure beat ME in 20 hours. I think it took all of ten months of > late night prowling and pages and pages of hand-drawn maps to finally set off > that bundle of rods and escape. I still have a composite and convoluted map I > drew of all the rooms, passages, and treasures. xyzzy! > Bob W. Anderson > Newport, MN > I used to play adventure off a remote mainframe with my little green screen terminal and 110 baud modem. It really built tension when you had to wait for each character to display to see what your fate was... Prior to that I played it on a teletype, but the noise was driving me crazy so I had to quit until I could upgrade to a terminal... Kent --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net Fri Aug 4 07:12:11 2000 From: jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20095] X wav editors? In-Reply-To: Callum Lerwick's message of "Fri, 04 Aug 2000 02:53:03 -0500" References: <398A765F.6C2CBB14@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: Broadcast 2000 works good for me. http://heroinewarrior.com/bcast2000.html It also happens to do video too, but I have't tried that part of it. Callum Lerwick writes: > Okay, is it just me or is there no wav editors for X that have even the > most basic functionality, and will work with large files? Its insane. I > occasionally need to trim mp3's before burning to CD, and rebooting to > Windows to do it really sucks. Cooledit is hella cool though... > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Jon Schewe http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe jpschewe@eggplant.mtu.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Fri Aug 4 08:07:13 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (Gabe Turner (officer)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20084] iCalendar ware? In-Reply-To: <398A7554.E2E8035D@tcfreenet.org>; from lerwick@tcfreenet.org on Fri, Aug 04, 2000 at 02:48:36AM -0500 References: <20000804014439.C24161@ringworld.org> <398A7554.E2E8035D@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <20000804080713.A61157@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Use fetchmail for retrieval and then Netscape to read/send/etc from the local machine. Gabe On Fri, Aug 04, 2000 at 02:48:36AM -0500, Callum Lerwick wrote: > > Hell, mozillas IMAP client seems pretty nice compared to that ;) > > Tangent: I wish Mediaone did IMAP. Netscape's email won't let you use > multiple servers unless they're all IMAP. Which is strange. Can't even > set up for the local mail spool unless you're all IMAP. Netscape mail is > goofy, but I honestly can't find anything I like better... > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "What's the big sleep, Ren?" "Death, you eediot, death!! Just like we'll be if we don't get outta here!" - Ren and Stimpy in "Big House Blues" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Aug 4 08:45:36 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20084] iCalendar ware? References: Message-ID: <398AC900.D7A159D4@tc.umn.edu> Yaron wrote: > > Hi, > > On Thu, 3 Aug 2000, Andrew S. Zbikowski wrote: > > > Evolution is vapor ware. The preview edition umm...starts. No menu options > > to configure it to get mail yet. If it allready supports iCalendar, well, > > I didn't see it. =) > > You got it to START? I can't even get it to compile! Heh, well, I barely got the 0.3.1 release to compile. I'd had a few RPMs from the 0.2 release that I could keep, and then compiled up-to-date versions of bonobo and a few other things. IIRC, I had to go remove a few things from the Makefiles. For some reason `configure' always puts an `intl' directory in my Makefiles, yet there's usually nothing in them.. Really annoying.. Anyway, if it makes anyone feel better, I tried compiling the current CVS Evolution last night, which required a new version of bonobo, which I haven't gotten to compile yet... -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Kamikaze Pilot Wanted: / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Experienced need not \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) apply. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Fri Aug 4 09:12:39 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20095] X wav editors? In-Reply-To: <398A765F.6C2CBB14@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: Try snd. It comes from the CCRMA at Stanford. It's probably overkill, but almost gives you the power of Sonic Solutions -- the commercial digital audio system I used to use for CD Pre-Mastering. Interestingly, there are many similarities in the user interface, which leads me to suggest that it was borrowed from heavily, since the lead engineer at Sonic did his doctoral work at Stanford... Cheers, Phil On Fri, 4 Aug 2000, Callum Lerwick wrote: > Okay, is it just me or is there no wav editors for X that have even the > most basic functionality, and will work with large files? Its insane. I > occasionally need to trim mp3's before burning to CD, and rebooting to > Windows to do it really sucks. Cooledit is hella cool though... > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > -- Lottery: a tax on people who are bad at math --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Fri Aug 4 09:18:41 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20067] ancient computers In-Reply-To: <398AB121.47C22A7A@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 4 Aug 2000, Kent Schumacher wrote: > I used to play adventure off a remote mainframe with my little green > screen terminal and 110 baud modem. It really built tension when you > had to wait for each character to display to see what your fate was... > > Prior to that I played it on a teletype, but the noise was driving me > crazy so I had to quit until I could upgrade to a terminal... Man, that's like when I played Dungeon from a VAX on a DECWriterII over 300bps. To be on a VAX in the late 70's was a big deal, but since Dad worked for DEC, it was what we had access to. When he got the VT100 at home, we saved a few trees. Or maybe then is when we moved up from the acoustic coupled modem to a Racal-Vadic 300 baud. Even better was the addition of the Robin motherboard, which converted the VT100 to a Z-80 based CP/M microcomputer! I still have a pile of old 360k 5 1/4" disks for that. To complete the trip down nostalgia way, I remember writing Fortran on a TI portable terminal, that looked like an oversize portable mechanical typewriter and weighed about 50 lbs. It also used thermal paper! Any one else ever play Lunar Lander using a lightpen? ;) Cheers, Phil -- Lottery: a tax on people who are bad at math --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Fri Aug 4 09:42:28 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:20102] IMAP/POP/Evolution/etc. (was: iCalendar ware?) References: <398A473F.54F585B0@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <398AD654.9E871827@ltiflex.com> > Are you a `compile-from-source' man? Tried source and debs. > you didn't specify the `--prefix' and `--sysconfdir' arguments when Did that. > Evolution works fine on my box (Though I can't say I've done anything > with the iCalendar stuff). At least I'm doing better than Yaron! =) Ah well, netscape meets my e-mail needs. Yay IMAP. On that note, when you want to get to your pop box via imap, and your ISP doesn't support it, there's always fetchmail. If you can get a shell to your IMAP server, configure fetchmail there. If not, you can run it locally and just hit up your local mail spool. My setup used to work like this: fetchmail hit up my campus account, my work account, my isp account, a few other shell accounts (gogeek.org, asker.net, hmmm...who else?) all via pop except for the campus account (yay they did IMAP but I couldn't set up procmail...disabled shell account...blah.) fetchmail dumps mail to procmail, which sorted mail into folders stored in ~/mail/ Each account had it's own folder, and my main e-mail account has about 30 filters to get through. (sort out mailing lists, dump spam to /dev/null, really cool stuff. Wonder if procmail can change the priority flag...) Since mail is in ~/mail, pine can pick it up. When I first set it up, Debian's IMAP server was configured to look in ~/mail as mail root. Apperently changing that to ~/ fixed a bug, so no my home directory is full of symlinks. (~/tclug -> ~/mail/tclug) Also keeping the folders in ~/mail lets pine read the folders without any hacking. Best part is, I can get to my mail vis shell (pine), IMP, or any IMAP client I choose. Slick. -- \\\|/// \\ - - // ( @ @ ) ----oOOo--(_)-oOOo-------------------------------------------- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 ---------------Ooooo------------------------------------------ ( ) ooooO ) / ( ) (_/ \ ( \_) -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Fri Aug 4 11:10:37 2000 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20044] Latex Problem In-Reply-To: ; from anave@macalester.edu on Thu, Aug 03, 2000 at 09:10:24AM -0500 References: <965262582.26043.ezmlm@mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <20000804111037.A4101@pchelka.space.umn.edu> On Thu, Aug 03, 2000 at 09:10:24AM -0500, anave@macalester.edu wrote: > Anyone good at troubleshooting Latex? I've got a really weird problem with > dvips and mktexpk. I've got it narrowed > down to mktexdir (which mktexpk calls), which seems to fail for no reason. > I've checked write privs many times, and I have reinstalled Latex several > times, both from binaries and RPMs. If someone has an idea, I'd sure be > glad to hear it. Still haven't seen any replies on this one, so I thought I'd try to get some more info from you. I use LaTeX on Solaris and Debian and the problem your having doesn't really sound familar. So what happens exactly? You try to dvips a dvi file and dvips crashes while calling mktexdir? I assume that the dvi file looks fine under xdvi. So what are the error messages that you are getting? What command line are you calling dvips with? Does dvips work with any LaTeX files, or is it just one particular file that's giving you problems? What style are you using? What are the permissions on the directory that mktexdir seems to be dying at? Anyway, whatever info you can give might help us figure out what's going on. -- Jim Crumley | crumley@belka.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From isla0005 at tc.umn.edu Fri Aug 4 11:57:02 2000 From: isla0005 at tc.umn.edu (isla0005@tc.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:20104] A perl problem Message-ID: <040800217.35812@209.98.84.145> Does anyone know about any routine in perl which can convert the IP to a readable network name ? Example : if the user is loggin in from soutdale, the name of the network comes up as southdale.mn.rr or something... Apu ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cbidler at talkware.net Fri Aug 4 12:05:59 2000 From: cbidler at talkware.net (Fin de Siecle) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20104] A perl problem References: <040800217.35812@209.98.84.145> Message-ID: <398AF7F7.2EAA9A47@talkware.net> There's a Net::DNS module available on CPAN that has ~30 sub-units to it, probably either Net::DNS::Resolver or Net::DNS::Question would have a function that does what you want... isla0005@tc.umn.edu wrote: > > Does anyone know about any routine in perl which can convert > the IP to a readable network name ? > > Example : if the user is loggin in from soutdale, the name of > the network comes up as southdale.mn.rr or something... > > Apu > > ----- > Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) > The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- <----------------------------------------------------------------------> Chris H. Bidler cbidler@talkware.net Associate Engineer, Applications Group (612)843-6734 Universal Talkware Corp. "In any event, is a O^(log N) search that returns the wrong answer really better than an O^N search that returns the right answer?" <----------------------------------------------------------------------> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From drew at usfamily.net Fri Aug 4 14:00:12 2000 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20067] ancient computers References: Message-ID: <000b01bffe46$3874ae80$3d8be23f@gateway> My dad has built one back in Ukraine, I remember it used some form of basic and I had a bunch of games recorded on a tape and I would connect the tape player to it and would load up the games and play tetris on the black and wite TV. Man that was fun. ----- Original Message ----- From: Timothy Wilson To: TCLUG Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 2:33 PM Subject: [TCLUG:20067] ancient computers > Hi everyone, > > I'm working on writing a training manual for a computer education class and > I'm trying to relate some new technology back to the "good old days." > > Are there any geezers on the list :-) who can tell me what one of those old > build-it-yourself computer kits cost back in the 70s. I'm talking about the > pre-Apple ][ days. I'd also appreciate any information about how much memory > they had. > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tobytoo at black-hole.com Fri Aug 4 13:52:18 2000 From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (Brian Toberman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20067] ancient computers Message-ID: <232812000854185218804@black-hole.com> I remember playing Lunar Lander on a TI programable calulator, it had 7 segment display and the program was on a strip of cardboard with a piece of cassette tape glued to the back, yes you could actually peel the stip of tape off. It ate AAA's like popcorn, went through them at a rate of at least 12 batteries evry 2 weeks. ---- Original Message ---- From: mend0070@tc.umn.edu To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org, Subject: Re: [TCLUG:20067] ancient computers Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:18:41 -0500 (CDT) >On Fri, 4 Aug 2000, Kent Schumacher wrote: > >> I used to play adventure off a remote mainframe with my little >green >> screen terminal and 110 baud modem. It really built tension when >you >> had to wait for each character to display to see what your fate >was... >> >> Prior to that I played it on a teletype, but the noise was driving >me >> crazy so I had to quit until I could upgrade to a terminal... > >Man, that's like when I played Dungeon from a VAX on a DECWriterII >over >300bps. To be on a VAX in the late 70's was a big deal, but since >Dad >worked for DEC, it was what we had access to. > >When he got the VT100 at home, we saved a few trees. Or maybe then >is >when we moved up from the acoustic coupled modem to a Racal-Vadic 300 >baud. > >Even better was the addition of the Robin motherboard, which >converted the >VT100 to a Z-80 based CP/M microcomputer! I still have a pile of >old 360k >5 1/4" disks for that. > >To complete the trip down nostalgia way, I remember writing Fortran >on a >TI portable terminal, that looked like an oversize portable >mechanical >typewriter and weighed about 50 lbs. It also used thermal paper! > >Any one else ever play Lunar Lander using a lightpen? ;) > >Cheers, >Phil > >-- >Lottery: a tax on people who are bad at math > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From vvanalst at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 15:08:35 2000 From: vvanalst at yahoo.com (Vanessa Van Alstine) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20067] ancient computers Message-ID: <20000804200835.21091.qmail@web1204.mail.yahoo.com> I had a Sinclair ZX81, too. The kit was $99 and the built unit was $149. Later on I bought an aftermarket 64 KB expansion module. The RAM module was so big that if you moved the unit at all, the connection wiggled and it crashed. And with that chicklets keyboard, it was impossible to write enough code to come close to needing the extra memory without cramping and shifting about and ... crashing. It's possible I still have the thing in a box in the basement. Are you interested? I'd be happy to see it go to a good home. Vanessa Van Alstine vvanalst@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From teuobk at ringworld.org Fri Aug 4 15:17:25 2000 From: teuobk at ringworld.org (Jeff Keacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20067] ancient computers Message-ID: Although it was made well before I was born, I have one of those TI programable calculators sitting next to me: the TI-59. It even has a bunch of those magnetic cardboard strips, although sadly none of them work. I still have my first computer (Apple II+) and monitor (green monochrome made by apple) in the basement. When I got it, I couldn't afford to buy software, so I learned to write my own. I was so cool, because I knew BASIC. Everything still works 22 years after it was made. Quite a testament to old computer reliability, IMHO. Scary, though, that my TI-89 graphing calculator is many times more powerful than my first computer, or even my first Mac. (16MHz 68000 vs. 8MHz 68000 vs. 1MHz 6502) Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - > I remember playing Lunar Lander on a TI programable calulator, it had > 7 segment display and the program was on a strip of cardboard with a > piece of cassette tape glued to the back, yes you could actually peel > the stip of tape off. > It ate AAA's like popcorn, went through them at a rate of at least > 12 batteries evry 2 weeks. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blackcrow77 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 10:36:27 2000 From: blackcrow77 at yahoo.com (ravenmaster) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:19992] Next TCPHPUG meeting Message-ID: <20000801153627.18711.qmail@web805.mail.yahoo.com> For anyone who is interested in PHP: The next Twin Cities PHP Users Group meeting: Wednesday August 9th at 6:30 pm Dunn Brothers coffee shop, 2nd floor 201 3rd Ave S Minneapolis, MN Topic: classes and objects. More info can be found at: http://www.moewes.com/tcphp.php3 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Sat Aug 5 02:59:27 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:20110] linux-2.4.0-test5/RedHat 6.2 Message-ID: Hi, Has anyone been successful in compiling/using linux-2.4.0-* (or any recentish devel kernel) on a stock RedHat 6.2 box? I'm planning on doing that and want to know just how big a can of worms I'm getting myself into. This machine hasn't had any devel-related updates since it's been installed since I needed a stable kernel on it. I still remember the horrors of moving from 2.0.* to 2.1.*... -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Sat Aug 5 08:18:42 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20110] linux-2.4.0-test5/RedHat 6.2 In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Sat, Aug 05, 2000 at 02:59:27AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20000805081842.A758@ringworld.org> * Yaron [000805 02:59]: > Has anyone been successful in compiling/using linux-2.4.0-* (or any > recentish devel kernel) on a stock RedHat 6.2 box? I'm planning on doing Other than recompiling rstatd and mounting /var/shm it shouldn't be too bad. -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org The previous system shutdown at 9:30:09 AM on 7/25/00 was unexpected. -Standard NT logfile message -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Sat, 5 Aug 2000, Scott Dier wrote: > * Yaron [000805 02:59]: > > Has anyone been successful in compiling/using linux-2.4.0-* (or any > > recentish devel kernel) on a stock RedHat 6.2 box? I'm planning on doing > > Other than recompiling rstatd and mounting /var/shm it shouldn't be too > bad. > > -- > Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet > http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org > > The previous system shutdown at 9:30:09 AM on 7/25/00 was unexpected. > -Standard NT logfile message > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ecrist at ardent-hacker.net Sat Aug 5 11:26:13 2000 From: ecrist at ardent-hacker.net (Eric F Crist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20045] DSL In-Reply-To: <3989E0DA.8913F340@tc.umn.edu> References: <20000803151831.A24161@ringworld.org> <3989E0DA.8913F340@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <00080511270500.06515@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> Hey, I've got 8 Static IPs and dns services with a 256k connection (I think it's faster, though) for around $109/month USwest. On Thu, 03 Aug 2000, you wrote: > Scott Dier wrote: > > > > I couldn't believe how much they wanted for an isdn loop tho :( Had to > > be at least 150$ for the install. 80+$/month. > > This is what I want: a static IP address and the freedom to use it, a > constant net connection, and I want it for around $50.00 a month (or > less). Is that so wrong? ;-) > > -- > Troy Johnson mailto:john1536@tc.umn.edu http://umn.edu/~john1536/ > You know why there's a Second Amendment? In case the government fails > to > follow the first one. > -- Rush Limbaugh, in a moment of unaccustomed profundity 17 Aug > 1993 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Eric F Crist System Administrator Ardent-Hacker.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at sistina.com Sat Aug 5 11:56:40 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20045] DSL In-Reply-To: <00080511270500.06515@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net>; from ecrist@ardent-hacker.net on Sat, Aug 05, 2000 at 11:26:13AM -0500 References: <20000803151831.A24161@ringworld.org> <3989E0DA.8913F340@tc.umn.edu> <00080511270500.06515@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> Message-ID: <20000805115640.B29271@localhost> On Sat, Aug 05, 2000 at 11:26:13AM -0500, Eric F Crist wrote: >Hey, > >I've got 8 Static IPs and dns services with a 256k connection (I think it's >faster, though) for around $109/month > That's pretty pricey. I have statics and I only pay 39.99 (ISP) and like 30 something more (Phone Co.) You should shop local. Try pconline (St. Paul), usinternet, or visi. I kow you can do better than 109.00 for 256k. -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sat Aug 5 12:06:28 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20110] linux-2.4.0-test5/RedHat 6.2 References: Message-ID: <398C4994.8D6DD96E@tc.umn.edu> Ben Kochie wrote: > > what is the /var/shm mount point for? Shared memory. I suppose it's kind of like /proc in that it makes it easier to figure out the status of the different segments and stuff. You actually don't have to mount it on /var/shm, but you should really mount it somewhere. Otherwise, some programs won't run, and other programs (X clients, for example) will fall back to using sockets or named pipes. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ If you had a million / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Shakespeares, could they \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) write like a monkey? [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From parker at mi-recordz.com Sat Aug 5 14:13:35 2000 From: parker at mi-recordz.com (parker@mi-recordz.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:20116] OS & Contracts Message-ID: Hello Scott and the rest who replied, The situation which I described to you a couple weeks ago seems to be improving. I fought tooth and nail and refused to compromise on what I consider to be the spirit and the letter of our Open Source licenses. The company that we're working with dropped all non-competition and confidentiality clauses from the contracts for the current branch of our GPL, LGPL and GFDL project. Unfortunately, they probably compromised because we had them by the balls and not because they learned something. Oh well! While the other three members of our four person team have signed appreciable contracts, I haven't signed. I've decided to complete my work without a contract, it'll drive the Human Resources Manager to an early grave. Several other good things emerged from the after dust. We found another Job Shop that offered to hire our entire team. Open Source research and development shops are alive and well in Europe. None of us will work for this other company because the current one is showing some promise. Our project has been seperated from the rest of the company which allows us to define contracts so we can shop parts of our project out to independent contractors. Now comes the fun part, delivering the product which we're being paid to finish. The Free Software Foundation did respond to the letter I sent asking for advice. They offered their lawyer probono (sic). I thought that was exceptional. The offer was only for advice not representation. Dispite the fact that we're not working on the Kernel or Emacs, they actually take an interest. Pretty damned cool in the mind of a nobody like me. Well, just thought folks might be interested in a follow up to my original post. As a side note, these freaks eat raw red meat. Like a dish called "Mexican goobelie glop" is just raw hamburger with a mint leaf tossed onto a dish. At first I was disgusted but then I thought about it and decided, that sorta rules! What remains disgusting is the sausage I ordered after not eating for about 24 hours...turned out to be Pig's guts. What the hell are thinking. ron, clueless in the land that created lingerie, parker --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From esper at sherohman.org Sat Aug 5 12:22:26 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20045] DSL In-Reply-To: <00080511270500.06515@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> from Eric F Crist at "Aug 5, 2000 11:26:13 am" Message-ID: Eric F Crist said: > I've got 8 Static IPs and dns services with a 256k connection (I think it's > faster, though) for around $109/month $109?!?! My setup is: $30 - 256k always-on DSL service (US^H^HQwest) $20 - Basic DSL ISP hookup (visi) $20 - 8 static IPs (visi) --- $70 per month visi chrges, IIRC, $50 for setup + $50/year to do domain registration and primary DNS hosting, but if you run your own primary DNS (it's dead easy to set up) and register the domain(s) yourself, they'll do secondary DNS for free. For the person who wanted DSL and a static IP for around $50/month, visi's basic service includes 1 static IP address (for your DSL router, which is capable of doing NAT). And $30 for the line + $20 for basic visi = $50/month... -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Sat Aug 5 12:46:03 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20045] DSL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hehe...I've got you all beat: $30 256k deluxe to Qwest $0 ISP service (Sihope) $0 routed /28 --------------- $30 / month :) Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Sat, 5 Aug 2000, Dave Sherohman wrote: > Eric F Crist said: > > I've got 8 Static IPs and dns services with a 256k connection (I think it's > > faster, though) for around $109/month > > $109?!?! My setup is: > > $30 - 256k always-on DSL service (US^H^HQwest) > $20 - Basic DSL ISP hookup (visi) > $20 - 8 static IPs (visi) > --- > $70 per month > > visi chrges, IIRC, $50 for setup + $50/year to do domain registration and > primary DNS hosting, but if you run your own primary DNS (it's dead easy to > set up) and register the domain(s) yourself, they'll do secondary DNS for > free. > > For the person who wanted DSL and a static IP for around $50/month, visi's > basic service includes 1 static IP address (for your DSL router, which is > capable of doing NAT). And $30 for the line + $20 for basic visi = > $50/month... > > -- > "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist > "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton > Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ > !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Sat Aug 5 13:30:34 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20110] linux-2.4.0-test5/RedHat 6.2 In-Reply-To: ; from ben@nerp.net on Sat, Aug 05, 2000 at 11:15:52AM -0500 References: <20000805081842.A758@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20000805133034.A16707@real-time.com> Quoting Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net): > what is the /var/shm mount point for? > shared memory. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jasonj at innominatus.com Sat Aug 5 17:23:56 2000 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20045] DSL References: Message-ID: <398C93FC.98098D3B@innominatus.com> $70 768/768 Onvoy/Covad, Thats line charge and ISP combined, 1 IP Extra IP's are $15 a month per. But I dont do anything that doesnt work through IP Masq so I dont need any extra IP's I host my own domain, dns, email, web, Quake3 Server, and all that other crap. Adam Maloney wrote: > Hehe...I've got you all beat: > > $30 256k deluxe to Qwest > $0 ISP service (Sihope) > $0 routed /28 > --------------- > $30 / month > > :) > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > On Sat, 5 Aug 2000, Dave Sherohman wrote: > > > Eric F Crist said: > > > I've got 8 Static IPs and dns services with a 256k connection (I think it's > > > faster, though) for around $109/month > > > > $109?!?! My setup is: > > > > $30 - 256k always-on DSL service (US^H^HQwest) > > $20 - Basic DSL ISP hookup (visi) > > $20 - 8 static IPs (visi) > > --- > > $70 per month > > > > visi chrges, IIRC, $50 for setup + $50/year to do domain registration and > > primary DNS hosting, but if you run your own primary DNS (it's dead easy to > > set up) and register the domain(s) yourself, they'll do secondary DNS for > > free. > > > > For the person who wanted DSL and a static IP for around $50/month, visi's > > basic service includes 1 static IP address (for your DSL router, which is > > capable of doing NAT). And $30 for the line + $20 for basic visi = > > $50/month... > > > > -- > > "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist > > "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton > > Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ > > !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at sistina.com Sat Aug 5 18:19:59 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20045] DSL In-Reply-To: <398C93FC.98098D3B@innominatus.com>; from jasonj@innominatus.com on Sat, Aug 05, 2000 at 05:23:56PM -0500 References: <398C93FC.98098D3B@innominatus.com> Message-ID: <20000805181959.B31760@localhost> On Sat, Aug 05, 2000 at 05:23:56PM -0500, Jason J wrote: >$70 768/768 Onvoy/Covad, Thats line charge and ISP combined, 1 IP > >Extra IP's are $15 a month per. But I dont do anything that doesnt work through IP >Masq so I dont need any extra IP's > >I host my own domain, dns, email, web, Quake3 Server, and all that other crap. > You host a q3a server on a DSL? wow. is it enough bandwidth? what's the name, I'll log on a shoot you in the head a few times. -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Sat Aug 5 18:56:09 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20045] DSL References: <20000803151831.A24161@ringworld.org> <3989E0DA.8913F340@tc.umn.edu> <00080511270500.06515@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> Message-ID: <001801bfff38$b9ee0ae0$0100a8c0@veldy.net> You could get the same thing through VISI.com for about $80 or so. Residential of course. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric F Crist" To: Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2000 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:20045] DSL > Hey, > > I've got 8 Static IPs and dns services with a 256k connection (I think it's > faster, though) for around $109/month > > USwest. > > On Thu, 03 Aug 2000, you wrote: > > Scott Dier wrote: > > > > > > I couldn't believe how much they wanted for an isdn loop tho :( Had to > > > be at least 150$ for the install. 80+$/month. > > > > This is what I want: a static IP address and the freedom to use it, a > > constant net connection, and I want it for around $50.00 a month (or > > less). Is that so wrong? ;-) > > > > -- > > Troy Johnson mailto:john1536@tc.umn.edu http://umn.edu/~john1536/ > > You know why there's a Second Amendment? In case the government fails > > to > > follow the first one. > > -- Rush Limbaugh, in a moment of unaccustomed profundity 17 Aug > > 1993 > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > -- > Eric F Crist > System Administrator > Ardent-Hacker.net > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Sat Aug 5 18:57:59 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20045] DSL References: Message-ID: <002501bfff38$fbcc87c0$0100a8c0@veldy.net> As a sysadmin, at your home - I would expect a frame relay. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Maloney" To: Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2000 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:20045] DSL > Hehe...I've got you all beat: > > $30 256k deluxe to Qwest > $0 ISP service (Sihope) > $0 routed /28 > --------------- > $30 / month > > :) > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > On Sat, 5 Aug 2000, Dave Sherohman wrote: > > > Eric F Crist said: > > > I've got 8 Static IPs and dns services with a 256k connection (I think it's > > > faster, though) for around $109/month > > > > $109?!?! My setup is: > > > > $30 - 256k always-on DSL service (US^H^HQwest) > > $20 - Basic DSL ISP hookup (visi) > > $20 - 8 static IPs (visi) > > --- > > $70 per month > > > > visi chrges, IIRC, $50 for setup + $50/year to do domain registration and > > primary DNS hosting, but if you run your own primary DNS (it's dead easy to > > set up) and register the domain(s) yourself, they'll do secondary DNS for > > free. > > > > For the person who wanted DSL and a static IP for around $50/month, visi's > > basic service includes 1 static IP address (for your DSL router, which is > > capable of doing NAT). And $30 for the line + $20 for basic visi = > > $50/month... > > > > -- > > "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist > > "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton > > Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ > > !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Sat Aug 5 22:50:48 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20045] DSL In-Reply-To: <002501bfff38$fbcc87c0$0100a8c0@veldy.net> Message-ID: Thought about it but I can't justify it. Work would only pay for the amount of bandwidth I need to fix stuff from home. I wanted a 2nd way in besides dial-up (in case there was a problem with that) so I opted to get DSL as well. The 640k down speeds that I'm seeing now that US-West has lifted the rate limiting at the DSLAM's is far more than enough. I can't imagine what I'd do with a full T-1's worth of bandwidth coming in here...I might have enough incentive to start my own ISP! Apparently Mr. Horwath can justify the need for a frame at his house, or so I hear. :) Incidentally, Steve Ulrich's last day was Friday. That explains why there was blood running from the faucet this morning. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Sat, 5 Aug 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > As a sysadmin, at your home - I would expect a frame relay. > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Adam Maloney" > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2000 12:46 PM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:20045] DSL > > > > Hehe...I've got you all beat: > > > > $30 256k deluxe to Qwest > > $0 ISP service (Sihope) > > $0 routed /28 > > --------------- > > $30 / month > > > > :) > > > > Adam Maloney > > Systems Administrator > > Sihope Communications > > > > On Sat, 5 Aug 2000, Dave Sherohman wrote: > > > > > Eric F Crist said: > > > > I've got 8 Static IPs and dns services with a 256k connection (I think > it's > > > > faster, though) for around $109/month > > > > > > $109?!?! My setup is: > > > > > > $30 - 256k always-on DSL service (US^H^HQwest) > > > $20 - Basic DSL ISP hookup (visi) > > > $20 - 8 static IPs (visi) > > > --- > > > $70 per month > > > > > > visi chrges, IIRC, $50 for setup + $50/year to do domain registration > and > > > primary DNS hosting, but if you run your own primary DNS (it's dead easy > to > > > set up) and register the domain(s) yourself, they'll do secondary DNS > for > > > free. > > > > > > For the person who wanted DSL and a static IP for around $50/month, > visi's > > > basic service includes 1 static IP address (for your DSL router, which > is > > > capable of doing NAT). And $30 for the line + $20 for basic visi = > > > $50/month... > > > > > > -- > > > "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior > strategist > > > "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton > > > Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ > o+ > > > !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ > y+ > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Sun Aug 6 01:58:17 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:20124] Screenshot fun. Message-ID: <398D0C89.FA70DC9A@tcfreenet.org> Okay, so I went and l33tified Netscape. Like, fhj33r. http://www.404error.com/seg/stuff/netscape.jpg Suppose I should post the mess of .Xdefaults that did this. Heh... And just before I l33tified netscape: http://www.404error.com/seg/stuff/screen2.jpg --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kozmik at myrealbox.com Sun Aug 6 13:29:06 2000 From: kozmik at myrealbox.com (Kozmik Krash) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20124] Screenshot fun. Message-ID: <200008061829.e76ITC215196@sprite.real-time.com> Callum Lerwick Hacker, Slacker, Linux Guru (insert tacky under construction sign here) :P fffunny hey how did you used three monitors at the same time like in windoze? > Okay, so I went and l33tified Netscape. Like, fhj33r. > > http://www.404error.com/seg/stuff/netscape.jpg > > Suppose I should post the mess of .Xdefaults that did this. Heh... > > And just before I l33tified netscape: > > http://www.404error.com/seg/stuff/screen2.jpg > > ---------------------------------------------------------- ----------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn- linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn- linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Sun Aug 6 14:28:12 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20124] Screenshot fun. References: <200008061830.NAA49798@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <398DBC4C.5B7D3D85@tcfreenet.org> Kozmik Krash wrote: > > Callum Lerwick > Hacker, Slacker, Linux Guru > > (insert tacky under construction sign here) > :P fffunny > hey how did you used three monitors at the same time like > in windoze? XFree 4.0 my friend. :) Also forgot about: http://www.404error.com/seg/stuff/panorama.jpg --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Sun Aug 6 14:29:09 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20124] Screenshot fun. In-Reply-To: <398D0C89.FA70DC9A@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: yay, my lame ass question is immortalized in your screenshot Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Sun, 6 Aug 2000, Callum Lerwick wrote: > Okay, so I went and l33tified Netscape. Like, fhj33r. > > http://www.404error.com/seg/stuff/netscape.jpg > > Suppose I should post the mess of .Xdefaults that did this. Heh... > > And just before I l33tified netscape: > > http://www.404error.com/seg/stuff/screen2.jpg > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tim at tneu.visi.com Sun Aug 6 14:45:01 2000 From: tim at tneu.visi.com (tim) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:20128] Web email programs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I want to set up a website on my home network for reading and writing email. My requirements are: Must be compatible with pine Must handle attachments "sanely" I've tried "ocsemail", however, I never quite got it working. I'd also rather have something that runs directly on the web server rather than something that uses POP/IMAP. Any ideas? What is everyone else using? =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ______ _ __ "If you don't have the freedom to use what you / ' ) ) own - then you do not own anything." / o ______ / / _ . . No apologies to Jack Valenti or the MPAA / <_/ / / < / (_ Message-ID: I have done a whole bunch of IMP installations, commercialy, schools, and personal use.. it works great, uses imap efficently, "pine" compatable.. what do you meen by that? Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Sun, 6 Aug 2000, tim wrote: > > I want to set up a website on my home network for reading and writing > email. > > My requirements are: > > Must be compatible with pine > Must handle attachments "sanely" > > I've tried "ocsemail", however, I never quite got it working. > > I'd also rather have something that runs directly on the web server rather > than something that uses POP/IMAP. > > Any ideas? What is everyone else using? > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > ______ _ __ "If you don't have the freedom to use what you > / ' ) ) own - then you do not own anything." > / o ______ / / _ . . No apologies to Jack Valenti or the MPAA > / <_/ / / < / (_ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kozmik at myrealbox.com Sun Aug 6 17:23:26 2000 From: kozmik at myrealbox.com (Kozmik Krash) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Re: [TCLUG:20124] Screenshot fun. Message-ID: <200008062223.e76MNg216065@sprite.real-time.com> hey, are those cooling fans from freezers? ;))) i thought so. got a big mess in there!!!!!!! > Kozmik Krash wrote: > > > > Callum Lerwick > > Hacker, Slacker, Linux Guru > > > > (insert tacky under construction sign here) > > :P fffunny > > hey how did you used three monitors at the same time like > > in windoze? > > XFree 4.0 my friend. :) > > Also forgot about: http://www.404error.com/seg/stuff/panorama.jpg > > ---------------------------------------------------------- ----------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn- linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn- linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at sistina.com Sun Aug 6 17:46:26 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20128] Web email programs In-Reply-To: ; from ben@nerp.net on Sun, Aug 06, 2000 at 04:03:57PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20000806174626.A5062@localhost> On Sun, Aug 06, 2000 at 04:03:57PM -0500, Ben Kochie wrote: >I have done a whole bunch of IMP installations, commercialy, schools, and >personal use.. it works great, uses imap efficently, >"pine" compatable.. what do you meen by that? Prolly means it won't bork up the mail boxes so they aren't readable when he's home. try neomail. I found it on freshmeat. Not sure if it does what you want but it's webbased and easy to use. -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Sun Aug 6 19:08:07 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20124] Screenshot fun. References: <200008062225.RAA52590@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <398DFDE7.B3B5CB4B@tcfreenet.org> > hey, are those cooling fans from freezers? ;))) http://www.404error.com/seg/stuff/cooling.jpg Naw, just a box fan. Gotta keep all those video cards cool. Without it the motherboard temp is up around 112F... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mike at getbent.net Sun Aug 6 21:35:04 2000 From: mike at getbent.net (Mike Nielsen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:20133] Oops in kswapd and swapon -p -1 or -p -3 ?? Message-ID: <00080621520600.02886@Dingo> Hey all, wondering if anyone can shed a little light on a problem. Recently I installed Dual pIII 550's into an ASUS p2b-ds board Running Slackware 7.0 with 2.2.16 kernel IDE hardrives AIC7890 SCSI adapter, matrox video blah blah.. Anyway since then I have been having one Kernel Oops about every day. 9 out of 10 times its a problem in kswapd (Reported by ksymoops). At the time of the error the system load is fiarly minor, sometimes it's almost 0.05 or as much as 2.00 Reading through some mailing lists I saw that this sort of this was a problem with a lot of smp systems. (Dating back to the 2.2.10 Kernel) Those messages mentioned something about the problem going away if they rolled back to 2.2.5 On a lark I did a ' swapoff -a' then mkswap -c -v1 /dev/hda7 Didn't get any errors so I checked it again Eventually I did 'swapon -a ' and tried to up the load on my machine..... Well for the next hour I was able to run. * a full tape backup via KBackup * 4 sessions of dnetc at a "nice" level of 5 * 3 xmame sessions 2x in size. * recompiled kernels 2.2.16 ,2.4.0test 5 ,ssh 2.2.0, apache, php, xmms , basically any source packages I had at the time over and over again at the same time Long story short I maintained a CPU load of 25.1 with 53 megs of swapspace being used...... Only thing I noticed was that I had reattched a swap partion with Priority -3 instead of the -1 I normally get at boot. (According to 'dmesg' ) Rebooting and thusly setting the priority back to -1 I was able to crash the machine right away.. I think I got to about 3 on the cpu load and 1200K on the swap partition.... Again I rebooted and got myself back to Priority -3 via the method above and ramped the machine up to a load of around 23.4 Any idea's why the swap priority makes a difference??? -- ----------------------------- |\/|ike@GetBent.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sun Aug 6 22:48:55 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:20134] [OT - Hardware] DMA-33, -66, -100 silliness Message-ID: <398E31A7.574A221F@tc.umn.edu> I just bought a big drive that can work at UDMA/66 or /100. I have a /33 controller. I plugged it in using a standard IDE cable, and got nothing. The system just hung on detection. Do I need: 1. A UDMA/66 cable? 2. (1) and a UDMA/66 or /100 controller? 3. Mental help? 4. Fiscal help? -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ If you tell a joke in the / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ forest, and nobody \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) laughs, was it a joke? [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Sun Aug 6 22:58:29 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20134] [OT - Hardware] DMA-33, -66, -100 silliness In-Reply-To: <398E31A7.574A221F@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: hrm.. i thought all IDE, like scsi drives were backwards compatable, you should be able to use a DMA-66/100 drive on a DMA/33 box.. have a couple DMA-66 drives working that way around. mental help? maybe your board needs that.. flash update.. or try it in a similar board. fiscal help.. sorry.. my car got wrecked recently, i need fiscal help too :) Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Sun, 6 Aug 2000, Mike Hicks wrote: > I just bought a big drive that can work at UDMA/66 or /100. I have a > /33 controller. I plugged it in using a standard IDE cable, and got > nothing. The system just hung on detection. > > Do I need: > > 1. A UDMA/66 cable? > 2. (1) and a UDMA/66 or /100 controller? > 3. Mental help? > 4. Fiscal help? > > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ If you tell a joke in the > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ forest, and nobody > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) laughs, was it a joke? > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Aug 7 00:08:15 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20134] [OT - Hardware] DMA-33, -66, -100 silliness References: Message-ID: <398E443F.BCCDC87@tc.umn.edu> Ben Kochie wrote: > > hrm.. i thought all IDE, like scsi drives were backwards compatable, you > should be able to use a DMA-66/100 drive on a DMA/33 box.. have a couple > DMA-66 drives working that way around. mental help? maybe your board > needs that.. flash update.. Heh, that worked.. Always nice to have a BIOS that is less than a year old... Of course, I had to find a DOS boot disk first. Always a challenge. But I dd'd it, so now I'll always have one ;-) > or try it in a similar board. fiscal > help.. sorry.. my car got wrecked recently, i need fiscal help too :) I wish you good fortune ;-) -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ A clear conscience is / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ usually the sign of a \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) bad memory. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Mon Aug 7 00:20:58 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20045] DSL In-Reply-To: ; from adamm@sihope.com on Sat, Aug 05, 2000 at 10:50:48PM -0500 References: <002501bfff38$fbcc87c0$0100a8c0@veldy.net> Message-ID: <20000807002058.E758@ringworld.org> * Adam Maloney [000805 22:51]: > > Incidentally, Steve Ulrich's last day was Friday. That explains why there > was blood running from the faucet this morning. Heh. is this the begenning of ISP Buyout Fallout(TM)? -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org The previous system shutdown at 9:30:09 AM on 7/25/00 was unexpected. -Standard NT logfile message -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 233 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20000807/3c847c6a/attachment.pgp -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Aug 7 00:27:38 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20133] Oops in kswapd and swapon -p -1 or -p -3 ?? In-Reply-To: <00080621520600.02886@Dingo>; from mike@getbent.net on Sun, Aug 06, 2000 at 09:35:04PM -0500 References: <00080621520600.02886@Dingo> Message-ID: <20000807002738.A6938@localhost> On Sun, Aug 06, 2000 at 09:35:04PM -0500, Mike Nielsen wrote: > >Any idea's why the swap priority makes a difference??? > I am no expert on swap fs but i'll take a whack. Most people feel that aggresive preemptive swapping is good. Thus the -1 priority. My guess is that there is a bug in your kernel with kswaps d when SMP stuff is enabled. Setting the priority to -3 makes it wait to swap untill more RAM is being used. I am of the opinion that if you have ample RAM 256MB PCI 100 in my case, the swap should rarely be used. Disk I/O will slow a machine down faster than anything (drive and controller type dependant) so why use swap before it's really needed. On my laptop (Sony vaio super slim) if it starts swapping, you are through working for a few minutes, while the pitiful little box hangs and pukes. Once the disk I/O subsides it's business as ususal. I should take the time to find out why my disk I/O is so hard on the little laptop. it's a PII600 with 128MB RAM, maybe the IDE controller in it sucks. just my .02. I know I didn't offer a solution, but I am no kernel hacker. Maybe poke around on the kernel list archives? -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Mon Aug 7 07:58:06 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:20139] Backing up linux machines with Backup Exec Message-ID: <398EB25E.3D5E8FDC@ltiflex.com> I'm trying to come up with a more intigrated backup plan now that we have a nice big DLT drive that can backup every server on one tape. Right now it backups up the NT machines, and the Linux machines backup via amanda to a DDS drive. So I'm sitting here, thinking to myself...how can I tie the backups together. Hmm. Well, first of all theres the backup method. Should I just tarball /, use dump, or amanda? Then there's how to get the backup archive to a place where Backup Exec can get it. SAMBA doesn't work, because two of the Linux machines are on the external network and the third internal. Amanda is appealing because it's allready pulling in the backups. Maybe I could simply smb share the dumpfiles so backup exec can get them. The other option would be to scp the archives from the external machines to the internal machines and use samba from there. Any thoughs? -- \\\|/// \\ - - // ( @ @ ) ----oOOo--(_)-oOOo-------------------------------------------- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 ---------------Ooooo------------------------------------------ ( ) ooooO ) / ( ) (_/ \ ( \_) -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From wilson at visi.com Mon Aug 7 08:08:50 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20139] Backing up linux machines with Backup Exec In-Reply-To: <398EB25E.3D5E8FDC@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, Andy Zbikowski wrote: > Then there's how to get the backup archive to a place where Backup Exec > can get it. SAMBA doesn't work, because two of the Linux machines are on > the external network and the third internal. Amanda is appealing > because it's allready pulling in the backups. Maybe I could simply smb > share the dumpfiles so backup exec can get them. There's a Backup Exec client for Linux available. Have you investigated that? If so, I'd be interested to hear about it since I may be trying that soon myself. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Mon Aug 7 08:10:22 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20067] ancient computers Message-ID: <0FYX00E0GBVY01@mail1.supervalu.com> Woah - sorry for getting in so late on this one, but I've been at Sun training all week. Microsoft's major contracts were almost exclusively for programming languages up until the days of the IBM PC. MS didn't do any operating systems until then - and even when they did the OS thing for IBM, they did it so that they wouldn't lose their language business. o_O Nick Reinking dusk@ravendusk.org, on 08/03/2000 03:31:50 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF cc: Subject: Re: [TCLUG:20067] ancient computers On Thursday, August 03, 2000, Philip C Mendelsohn wrote: > On Thu, 3 Aug 2000, Timothy Wilson wrote: > > I don't qualify as a geezer, but I do remember what you're talking > about. I think you'd be referring most likely to the MITS Altair. I > think it was 4K of memory, or maybe you could deck it out with 16K. As > far as cost, I don't recall -- I want to say about $800, but can't recall > for sure. > > MITS was located in Albuquerque, NM. IIRC, writing an OS for the Altair was one of Microsoft's first major contracts. I believe they even worked on site in Albuquerque for awhile. John -- dusk@ravendusk.org http://www.gnome.org jsheets@codeweavers.com http://www.worldforge.org http://advogato.org/person/jsheets --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Aug 7 08:26:57 2000 From: chewie at wookimus.net (^chewie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20139] Backing up linux machines with Backup Exec In-Reply-To: ; from Timothy Wilson on Mon, Aug 07, 2000 at 08:08:50AM -0500 References: <398EB25E.3D5E8FDC@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <20000807082657.A3089@wookimus.net> On Mon, Aug 07, 2000 at 08:08:50AM -0500, Timothy Wilson wrote: > On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, Andy Zbikowski wrote: > > > Then there's how to get the backup archive to a place where Backup > > Exec can get it. SAMBA doesn't work, because two of the Linux > > machines are on the external network and the third internal. > > Amanda is appealing because it's allready pulling in the backups. > > Maybe I could simply smb share the dumpfiles so backup exec can > > get them. Since I was the one who set up your original backup routine... ;-) I would say that Amanda is the best bet. Use tar, and forget about dump (it really sucks). SAMBA may not be the nicest way to backup Windoze machines, but it's useable. The issue with SAMBA and Amanda is that incremental backups aren't possible (IIRC). My frame of reference on this issue is quite old, and they may have fixed it since I worked with it. Yes, Backup Exec is slick, and in the case of backing up data, I don't mind spending a little money on proprietary software, especially if it makes my life easier. Are you running the DLT with BE or is it being run w/AMANDA right now? > There's a Backup Exec client for Linux available. Have you > investigated that? If so, I'd be interested to hear about it since > I may be trying that soon myself. Cool. Give Veritas a call and ask if you can demo it for 30 days. -- Chad "^chewie" Walstrom http://wookimus.net/chewie -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 242 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20000807/a589dcb6/attachment.pgp -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Mon Aug 7 08:33:25 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20045] DSL References: <002501bfff38$fbcc87c0$0100a8c0@veldy.net> <20000807002058.E758@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <003f01c00074$101398e0$0100a8c0@cascade> Steve is leaving VISI? Who else is leaving? Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Dier" To: "Adam Maloney" Cc: Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 12:20 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:20045] DSL Heh. is this the begenning of ISP Buyout Fallout(TM)? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Mon Aug 7 08:42:15 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20139] Backing up linux machines with Backup Exec References: <398EB25E.3D5E8FDC@ltiflex.com> <20000807082657.A3089@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <398EBCB7.8126740F@ltiflex.com> > Yes, Backup Exec is slick, and in the case of backing up data, I don't > mind spending a little money on proprietary software, especially if it > makes my life easier. Are you running the DLT with BE or is it being > run w/AMANDA right now? > BE is running the DLT drive, which is why I'm trying to figure out how to get BE to backup the linux machines. (Fixed the firewall...it didn't want to resolve the internal hostname for some reason) > There's a Backup Exec client for Linux available. Have you > investigated that? If so, I'd be interested to hear about it since > I may be trying that soon myself. There is? Whoah. I just checked their site and didn't see one. I even searched, and the only Linux related thing I found was a press release announcing a partnership with RedHat to support NetBackup, not Backup Exec. Is it a beta thing? Care to point me in the right direction? -- \\\|/// \\ - - // ( @ @ ) ----oOOo--(_)-oOOo-------------------------------------------- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 ---------------Ooooo------------------------------------------ ( ) ooooO ) / ( ) (_/ \ ( \_) -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Kevin.T.Trainor at norwest.com Mon Aug 7 08:41:34 2000 From: Kevin.T.Trainor at norwest.com (Trainor, Kevin T.) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:20145] RE: ancient computers Message-ID: Jeff wrote: > I still have my first computer (Apple II+) and monitor (green > monochrome made by apple) in the basement. I have an XT clone that my son has "inherited"; bought it for about $2000 worth of grad school student loan money in 1988. I remember being thrilled because it had 10 expansion slots and a CGA monitor. > Scary, though, > that my TI-89 graphing calculator is many times more powerful than my first > computer, or even my first Mac. (16MHz 68000 vs. 8MHz 68000 > vs. 1MHz 6502) I feel the same way about my Palm Pilot (a Personal, not even a III!) and that 8088. Very scary. Kevin Trainor Disappointed a few people When friendship reared its/Ugly head Disappointed a few people/Well, isn't that What friends are for?" -"Disappointed", Public Image Ltd. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Mon Aug 7 09:06:54 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20139] Backing up linux machines with Backup Exec References: <398EB25E.3D5E8FDC@ltiflex.com> <20000807082657.A3089@wookimus.net> <398EBCB7.8126740F@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <398EC27E.4A82270D@ltiflex.com> Heh. Found the UNIX client. It's on the Backup Exec CD. One think to watch out for when you're installing it, It expects a RedHat based distro, where the init scripts are in /etc/rc.d/init.d Debian users, prepare to sym link. -- \\\|/// \\ - - // ( @ @ ) ----oOOo--(_)-oOOo-------------------------------------------- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 ---------------Ooooo------------------------------------------ ( ) ooooO ) / ( ) (_/ \ ( \_) -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From anave at macalester.edu Mon Aug 7 09:13:25 2000 From: anave at macalester.edu (anave@macalester.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20103] Latex Problem In-Reply-To: <965462400.16023.ezmlm@mn-linux.org> Message-ID: Well, I'm using Redhat 6.2, and it's a fresh install. Right now I've got the latest LaTeX installed from the linux binary install from CTAN. I take a normal tex file, run LaTeX on it, it whips up a dvi. Then I do "dvips -o test.ps test.dvi", and I get this: kpathsea: Running mktexpk --mfmode ljfour --bdpi 600 --mag 1+264/600 --dpi 864 mktexpk: mktexdir /var/tmp/texfonts/pk/ljfour/public/cm failed. kpathsea: Appending font creation commands to missfont.log. dvips: Font cmcsc10 not found, characters will be left blank. If I try to run "sh -x mktexpk ..." with the options above, I get a couple more details, but I can't make too much sense of the output. I can send the output to you if you want, but I don't want to post it to the list, it's a tad too long. If I try to convert the dvi file on another machine, it works just fine. There's no significant difference between the installations that I can tell. It's driving me nuts. Thanks, --Adam Nave anave@macalester.edu --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mjn at umn.edu Mon Aug 7 09:14:45 2000 From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20139] Backing up linux machines with Backup Exec In-Reply-To: <398EBCB7.8126740F@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: > > There's a Backup Exec client for Linux available. Have you > > investigated that? If so, I'd be interested to hear about it since > > I may be trying that soon myself. > > There is? Whoah. I just checked their site and didn't see one. I even > searched, and the only Linux related thing I found was a press release > announcing a partnership with RedHat to support NetBackup, not Backup > Exec. Is it a beta thing? Care to point me in the right direction? We are using the NT BE to backup a RedHat box. It is great except that diffs don't seem to work. So you we are doing fulls every day on it until Veritas gets back to us. But it is sure nice to have a backup of the box after 8 months of not. ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ ____________________________ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Mon Aug 7 09:46:13 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20139] Backing up linux machines with Backup Exec In-Reply-To: <20000807082657.A3089@wookimus.net>; from chewie@wookimus.net on Mon, Aug 07, 2000 at 08:26:57AM -0500 References: <398EB25E.3D5E8FDC@ltiflex.com> <20000807082657.A3089@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20000807094613.F758@ringworld.org> * ^chewie [000807 08:27]: > would say that Amanda is the best bet. Use tar, and forget about dump > (it really sucks). SAMBA may not be the nicest way to backup Windoze Being a user of amanda and at a large installation with many different archs running the 'dump' method of amanda... I think the dump method *is* the way to go. All you gotta do to restore from tape then is to pipe the filesystem off the tape from amrestore to restore and then 'add' and 'extract' the files in the blinky interactive shell. With the tar method you either need to make two passes, or know the filename first. My $.02 -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I let it run for 3 days straight on the TRS-80 and I eventually stopped it. It gave me "3.141593" or something like that. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, Trainor, Kevin T. wrote: > Jeff wrote: > > I still have my first computer (Apple II+) and monitor (green > > monochrome made by apple) in the basement. > I have an XT clone that my son has "inherited"; bought it > for about $2000 worth of grad school student loan money in 1988. > I remember being thrilled because it had 10 expansion slots and > a CGA monitor. > > > > Scary, though, > > that my TI-89 graphing calculator is many times more powerful than my > first > > computer, or even my first Mac. (16MHz 68000 vs. 8MHz 68000 > > vs. 1MHz 6502) > I feel the same way about my Palm Pilot (a Personal, not > even a III!) and that 8088. Very scary. > > Kevin Trainor > > Disappointed a few people > When friendship reared its/Ugly head > Disappointed a few people/Well, isn't that > What friends are for?" > -"Disappointed", Public Image Ltd. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Mon Aug 7 09:56:00 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20145] RE: ancient computers In-Reply-To: ; from adamm@sihope.com on Mon, Aug 07, 2000 at 09:50:59AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20000807095600.G758@ringworld.org> * Adam Maloney [000807 09:51]: > bigbang to create the TW universe. His XT was decked out though, he had > 6MB of RAM to my 4. Heh. I had a 286/10 with a whole 512k of ram until i got the IBM upgrade chip that cost an arm and a leg to bring it up to 1mb! -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I remember finding a disk that was labeled "TRS-DOS", running the program and getting a DOS prompt of some kind, but didn't know what DOS was at the time and gave up. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, Scott Dier wrote: > * Adam Maloney [000807 09:51]: > > bigbang to create the TW universe. His XT was decked out though, he had > > 6MB of RAM to my 4. > > Heh. I had a 286/10 with a whole 512k of ram until i got the IBM upgrade > chip that cost an arm and a leg to bring it up to 1mb! > > -- > Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet > http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tobytoo at black-hole.com Mon Aug 7 11:55:10 2000 From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (Brian Toberman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:20153] DSL Hook up Message-ID: <29952000817165510129@black-hole.com> I know this should be a simple matter, but it's giving me head aches. I am trying to hook up DSL modem, I'm running Caldera V 2.3, both of my nic cards are being recognized, I have set the Intell Pro 100 as eth0. The DSL modem is a Cisco 675, no net masquing needed, I'm the only one hooked up right now, but in a few weeks I need to net to a BeOS system.I'm missing somthing here. I know I'm missing it but can't seem to see what it is. HELP!!!!. Thank you . --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From natecars at real-time.com Mon Aug 7 12:26:46 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20045] DSL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 5 Aug 2000, Adam Maloney wrote: > Hehe...I've got you all beat: > > $30 256k deluxe to Qwest > $0 ISP service (Sihope) > $0 routed /28 > --------------- > $30 / month > > :) > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications ah, but can you stand the lag? *memories of his (slow) 56k sihope dialup..* -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From esper at sherohman.org Mon Aug 7 12:30:53 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20153] DSL Hook up In-Reply-To: <29952000817165510129@black-hole.com> from Brian Toberman at "Aug 7, 2000 11:55:10 am" Message-ID: Brian Toberman said: > I know this should be a simple matter, but it's giving me head aches. > I am trying to hook up DSL modem, I'm running Caldera V 2.3, both of > my nic cards are being recognized, I have set the Intell Pro 100 as > eth0. The DSL modem is a Cisco 675, no net masquing needed, I'm the > only one hooked up right now, but in a few weeks I need to net to a > BeOS system.I'm missing somthing here. I know I'm missing it but > can't seem to see what it is. I what manner is it not working? Can you ping the 675? Does the 675 have a connection to the outside world? Are you using a hub and/or the correct mix of straight and crossover cables? You mentioned having 2 NICs - what are they hooked up to? -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From bobdove at pipeline.com Mon Aug 7 12:53:32 2000 From: bobdove at pipeline.com (Bob W. Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:20156] Installfest Message-ID: I've signed up for the installfest but haven't received a time confirmation. Should I just show up at the very beginning? The list and other Linux sites are reporting a lot of anguish over 7.1 installs. Should I wait a while before entering this threatening forrest or will there be adequate expertise/experience on had at the installfest to assure modest success? I'm really gun-shy since my own attempt to install 7.0 last winter resulted in corruption of both HD's and data loss. BTW - I think I finally got it figured out. Lilo is the name of one of the Teletubbies. No wonder I have problems. Bob W. Anderson Newport, MN --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Mon Aug 7 13:01:25 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20153] DSL Hook up In-Reply-To: <29952000817165510129@black-hole.com> Message-ID: If you're in bridged mode you need to either have your linux machine doing ipmasq for the BeOS system or you need to have your ISP route you a block. If you're doing ATMoPPP then you can either have the DSL modem do masquerading or have your ISP route you a block. Can you give us more specifics? Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, Brian Toberman wrote: > I know this should be a simple matter, but it's giving me head aches. > I am trying to hook up DSL modem, I'm running Caldera V 2.3, both of > my nic cards are being recognized, I have set the Intell Pro 100 as > eth0. The DSL modem is a Cisco 675, no net masquing needed, I'm the > only one hooked up right now, but in a few weeks I need to net to a > BeOS system.I'm missing somthing here. I know I'm missing it but > can't seem to see what it is. > HELP!!!!. > Thank you . > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Mon Aug 7 13:02:34 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20153] DSL Hook up In-Reply-To: <29952000817165510129@black-hole.com> Message-ID: Oh...if you're in bridged mode your ISP may have a DHCP server setup and you can just configure both machines to DHCP an IP from them...no routing necessary. You'll need to setup your default gateway on both machines to be the IP of the ISP's DSL router. This only applies if you're in bridging mode. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, Brian Toberman wrote: > I know this should be a simple matter, but it's giving me head aches. > I am trying to hook up DSL modem, I'm running Caldera V 2.3, both of > my nic cards are being recognized, I have set the Intell Pro 100 as > eth0. The DSL modem is a Cisco 675, no net masquing needed, I'm the > only one hooked up right now, but in a few weeks I need to net to a > BeOS system.I'm missing somthing here. I know I'm missing it but > can't seem to see what it is. > HELP!!!!. > Thank you . > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Mon Aug 7 13:06:10 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20045] DSL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I've never seen any problems. Sihope's always used USR's TC chassis for analog dial-ups, and our upstream connection usually sits at 75% utilization or less. My ping times over DSL are generally 30ms from my router to my router, which is about as good as you can expect over DSL. Plus we don't have the problems inherant with being a customer of a certain provider that doesn't know how to properly speak BGP to it's peers since it fired most of it's technical staff after they merged...again. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Sat, 5 Aug 2000, Adam Maloney wrote: > > Hehe...I've got you all beat: > > > > $30 256k deluxe to Qwest > > $0 ISP service (Sihope) > > $0 routed /28 > > --------------- > > $30 / month > > > > :) > > > > Adam Maloney > > Systems Administrator > > Sihope Communications > > ah, but can you stand the lag? > > *memories of his (slow) 56k sihope dialup..* > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Mon Aug 7 13:12:19 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20153] DSL Hook up In-Reply-To: ; from adamm@sihope.com on Mon, Aug 07, 2000 at 01:01:25PM -0500 References: <29952000817165510129@black-hole.com> Message-ID: <20000807131219.J758@ringworld.org> * Adam Maloney [000807 13:01]: > If you're doing ATMoPPP then you can either have the DSL modem do > masquerading or have your ISP route you a block. You forgot PPPoE :) -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 233 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20000807/7b6b86e0/attachment.pgp -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From TFS at MULTITECH.com Mon Aug 7 13:50:34 2000 From: TFS at MULTITECH.com (Troy Schmidt) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:20153] DSL Hook up Message-ID: <91D5125D428BD311A15600C06C003A70878534@exchange_serve.multitech.prv> You can purchase a DSL/Cable modem router from Lyncsys or Multi-Tech Systems will have our version soon that defeats PPPoE. Also provides firewall, NAT and other services Relatively cheap around $179.00 -----Original Message----- From: Scott Dier [mailto:dieman@ringworld.org] Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 1:12 PM Cc: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG:20153] DSL Hook up * Adam Maloney [000807 13:01]: > If you're doing ATMoPPP then you can either have the DSL modem do > masquerading or have your ISP route you a block. You forgot PPPoE :) -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Mon Aug 7 13:59:19 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (Gabe Turner (officer)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20156] Installfest In-Reply-To: ; from bobdove@pipeline.com on Mon, Aug 07, 2000 at 12:53:32PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20000807135919.A29587@sorry.cs.umn.edu> 7.1 what? Gabe On Mon, Aug 07, 2000 at 12:53:32PM -0500, Bob W. Anderson wrote: > I've signed up for the installfest but haven't received a time confirmation. > Should I just show up at the very beginning? > > The list and other Linux sites are reporting a lot of anguish over 7.1 installs. > Should I wait a while before entering this threatening forrest or will there be > adequate expertise/experience on had at the installfest to assure modest > success? I'm really gun-shy since my own attempt to install 7.0 last winter > resulted in corruption of both HD's and data loss. > > BTW - I think I finally got it figured out. Lilo is the name of one of the > Teletubbies. No wonder I have problems. > > > Bob W. Anderson > Newport, MN > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "You seeck leettle monkey!" - Ren Hoek in "Stimpy's Invention" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From natecars at real-time.com Mon Aug 7 14:09:07 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20045] DSL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, Adam Maloney wrote: > I've never seen any problems. Sihope's always used USR's TC chassis for > analog dial-ups, and our upstream connection usually sits at 75% > utilization or less. My ping times over DSL are generally 30ms from > my router to my router, which is about as good as you can expect over DSL. This was about a year ago, maybe things have improved since then.. on the old dial-ups, I was lucky to get downloads of 3k/s on a 49k connect.. where with other ISP's, I was able to get 4-5k/s all the time. Of course, I stuck with Sihope because they would route me a /28 over a dialup.. :) > Plus we don't have the problems inherant with being a customer of a > certain provider that doesn't know how to properly speak BGP to it's peers > since it fired most of it's technical staff after they merged...again. Hmm... mr.net, you mean? :) That's why we've got a Sprint T1 now.. funny thing, ~90% of our traffic goes out that connection.. you would think mr.net would be the better route since they are multihomed better, but nope.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Mon Aug 7 14:09:45 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20156] Installfest References: <20000807135919.A29587@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <398F0979.7D256507@tcfreenet.org> Whats with this practice of replying above the quoted message? It gets confusing. ;) Slackware or Mandrake? Heh. On a related note, just tried burning a Red Hat Pinstripe CD. It won't fit... > 7.1 what? > > Gabe > > On Mon, Aug 07, 2000 at 12:53:32PM -0500, Bob W. Anderson wrote: > > I've signed up for the installfest but haven't received a time confirmation. > > Should I just show up at the very beginning? > > > > The list and other Linux sites are reporting a lot of anguish over 7.1 installs. > > Should I wait a while before entering this threatening forrest or will there be > > adequate expertise/experience on had at the installfest to assure modest > > success? I'm really gun-shy since my own attempt to install 7.0 last winter > > resulted in corruption of both HD's and data loss. > > > > BTW - I think I finally got it figured out. Lilo is the name of one of the > > Teletubbies. No wonder I have problems. Lilo predates teletubbies by a few years. ;) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From paschuman at uswest.net Mon Aug 7 14:09:17 2000 From: paschuman at uswest.net (Peter Schuman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20145] RE: ancient computers References: Message-ID: <398F095D.359AC317@uswest.net> Well, literally, my first digital computer was a plastic contraption I got in the 1960s sometime. It consisted of wires (for strength, not conduction) and a lot of levers and plastic slides. You could rearrange the sliders and levers and get the computer to either do addition or subtraction or generate random numbers -- all on a 3-bit "display": three of the sliders that represented 1 if pulled out and 0 if pushed in. No Altair, but I certainly got an understanding of the process in adding numbers in a digital computer -- and an appreciation for the time and rework needed to get even the simplest computer program to work. Once you spent the hours to assemble the thing and worked out how to do the small number of things it could do, that was that: there was nothing more you could do with it. You couldn't even dismantle it so you could store it safely (easy-snapping polystyrene, remember?) A few computer museums have these, but they were made of soft steel wire and polystyrene ("high-impact," of course!), so they have VERY little resistance to breaking. A bit of experience with a mechanical digital computer goes a long way towards breaking down any awe for the magical electronic "brain." I will never think of computers as anything but extremely fast, extremely stupid adding machines. Of course, they are also examples of how much can be done with lots and lots of simple-minded processes -- but then, so are ants and bees; the tiny, self-replicating robots that some labs have running around on lab floors are really just an order of magnitude or so simpler than the "brains" controlling insects. The Kaypro 2X in the garage is a different animal, of course: 4 MHz Z80 with 64 K of memory and two 390K floppy drives. Over 6 years, I wrote about 1 1/2 million words on it, all of which were printed on a Juki 6100 daisy wheel printer. And Wordstar -- made in hacker's heaven, for hackers. "Trainor, Kevin T." wrote: > Jeff wrote: > > I still have my first computer (Apple II+) and monitor (green > > monochrome made by apple) in the basement. > I have an XT clone that my son has "inherited"; bought it > for about $2000 worth of grad school student loan money in 1988. > I remember being thrilled because it had 10 expansion slots and > a CGA monitor. > > > > Scary, though, > > that my TI-89 graphing calculator is many times more powerful than my > first > > computer, or even my first Mac. (16MHz 68000 vs. 8MHz 68000 > > vs. 1MHz 6502) > I feel the same way about my Palm Pilot (a Personal, not > even a III!) and that 8088. Very scary. > > Kevin Trainor > [Snip!] -- Peter Schuman paschuman@uswest.net Vegetarians eat vegetables: Beware of humanitarians! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Mon Aug 7 14:17:57 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20045] DSL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well my former employer had been a Sihope customer since 1996...I rarely experienced slowdowns. In fact I think I always got at least my CIR when I was downloading something. Of course we were a T-1 customer so slowdowns are a little more noticable, but I know Sihope never did any rate-shaping to prefer 1 customer's traffic over another's. Now with my DSL the biggest battle has been with the physical line. Since I upgraded to 2.3.5 I get disconnected all the time and my line quality is fluctuating between 19 and 22. I thought your contract with Onvoy prohibited you from turning up another connection to an ISP...or did you mean they owned the local loop for the frame so you couldn't order an additional PVC on it? So is Real Time speaking BGP and carrying full routes now? Sprint and Onvoy are announcing your IP's? Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, Adam Maloney wrote: > > I've never seen any problems. Sihope's always used USR's TC chassis for > > analog dial-ups, and our upstream connection usually sits at 75% > > utilization or less. My ping times over DSL are generally 30ms from > > my router to my router, which is about as good as you can expect over DSL. > > This was about a year ago, maybe things have improved since then.. on the > old dial-ups, I was lucky to get downloads of 3k/s on a 49k connect.. > where with other ISP's, I was able to get 4-5k/s all the time. Of course, > I stuck with Sihope because they would route me a /28 over a dialup.. :) > > > Plus we don't have the problems inherant with being a customer of a > > certain provider that doesn't know how to properly speak BGP to it's peers > > since it fired most of it's technical staff after they merged...again. > > Hmm... mr.net, you mean? :) That's why we've got a Sprint T1 now.. funny > thing, ~90% of our traffic goes out that connection.. you would think > mr.net would be the better route since they are multihomed better, but > nope.. > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Mon Aug 7 14:20:56 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20145] RE: ancient computers In-Reply-To: <398F095D.359AC317@uswest.net> Message-ID: Someone needs to read Asimov's "I, Robot", me thinks. :) >...I will >never think of computers as anything but extremely fast, extremely stupid >adding machines. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From john1536 at tc.umn.edu Mon Aug 7 14:22:06 2000 From: john1536 at tc.umn.edu (Troy A. Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20145] RE: ancient computers References: <398F095D.359AC317@uswest.net> Message-ID: <398F0C5E.C483CC11@tc.umn.edu> Holy educational aids, Batman! Is there anything like this on the market today? It might be nice to be able to get people to feel more comfortable when they get closer to the 1s and 0s (myself included, though I'm not a stranger to them). How big was this thing? Peter Schuman wrote: > > Well, literally, my first digital computer was a plastic contraption I got > in the 1960s sometime. It consisted of wires (for strength, not > conduction) and a lot of levers and plastic slides. You could rearrange > the sliders and levers and get the computer to either do addition or > subtraction or generate random numbers -- all on a 3-bit "display": three > of the sliders that represented 1 if pulled out and 0 if pushed in. No > Altair, but I certainly got an understanding of the process in adding > numbers in a digital computer -- and an appreciation for the time and > rework needed to get even the simplest computer program to work. Once you > spent the hours to assemble the thing and worked out how to do the small > number of things it could do, that was that: there was nothing more you > could do with it. You couldn't even dismantle it so you could store it > safely (easy-snapping polystyrene, remember?) > > A few computer museums have these, but they were made of soft steel wire > and polystyrene ("high-impact," of course!), so they have VERY little > resistance to breaking. > > A bit of experience with a mechanical digital computer goes a long way > towards breaking down any awe for the magical electronic "brain." I will > never think of computers as anything but extremely fast, extremely stupid > adding machines. Of course, they are also examples of how much can be done > with lots and lots of simple-minded processes -- but then, so are ants and > bees; the tiny, self-replicating robots that some labs have running around > on lab floors are really just an order of magnitude or so simpler than the > "brains" controlling insects. > > The Kaypro 2X in the garage is a different animal, of course: 4 MHz Z80 > with 64 K of memory and two 390K floppy drives. Over 6 years, I wrote > about 1 1/2 million words on it, all of which were printed on a Juki 6100 > daisy wheel printer. And Wordstar -- made in hacker's heaven, for hackers. > > "Trainor, Kevin T." wrote: > > > Jeff wrote: > > > I still have my first computer (Apple II+) and monitor (green > > > monochrome made by apple) in the basement. > > I have an XT clone that my son has "inherited"; bought it > > for about $2000 worth of grad school student loan money in 1988. > > I remember being thrilled because it had 10 expansion slots and > > a CGA monitor. > > > > > > > Scary, though, > > > that my TI-89 graphing calculator is many times more powerful than my > > first > > > computer, or even my first Mac. (16MHz 68000 vs. 8MHz 68000 > > > vs. 1MHz 6502) > > I feel the same way about my Palm Pilot (a Personal, not > > even a III!) and that 8088. Very scary. > > > > Kevin Trainor > > [Snip!] > > -- > Peter Schuman paschuman@uswest.net > > Vegetarians eat vegetables: Beware of humanitarians! > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Troy Johnson mailto:john1536@tc.umn.edu http://umn.edu/~john1536/ You know why there's a Second Amendment? In case the government fails to follow the first one. -- Rush Limbaugh, in a moment of unaccustomed profundity 17 Aug 1993 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From marshmallowmateys at email.com Mon Aug 7 14:32:00 2000 From: marshmallowmateys at email.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:20153] DSL Hook up Message-ID: <385063973.965676720012.JavaMail.root@web576-ec.mail.com> ------Original Message------ From: Troy Schmidt To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Sent: August 7, 2000 6:50:34 PM GMT Subject: RE: [TCLUG:20153] DSL Hook up You can purchase a DSL/Cable modem router from Lyncsys or Multi-Tech Systems will have our version soon that defeats PPPoE. The Linksys firewall box is superb in configuration and functionality. I'll warn you though that (at least the one I use) has a problem routing internally. I think that was on the TODO list over at Linksys and they may have fixed it by now. Otherwise I swear by these things :-) Also provides firewall, NAT and other services Relatively cheap around $179.00 -----Original Message----- From: Scott Dier [mailto:dieman@ringworld.org] Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 1:12 PM Cc: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG:20153] DSL Hook up * Adam Maloney [000807 13:01]: > If you're doing ATMoPPP then you can either have the DSL modem do > masquerading or have your ISP route you a block. You forgot PPPoE :) -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Mon Aug 7 14:33:08 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20145] RE: ancient computers In-Reply-To: <398F0C5E.C483CC11@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: Nothing brings you closer to your computer then counting binary on your fingers. We had to do it for Machine Arch. at the U and I find myself doing it from time to time accidentally. Using the binary clock is a good way to show the system you're a real guru as well. It took me a few weeks to show the systems around here that they should fear me. They used to mock me until I threatened init's life. Now they know to respect me, the keeper of renice(8). Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, Troy A. Johnson wrote: > Holy educational aids, Batman! > > Is there anything like this on the market today? It might be nice to be > able to get people to feel more comfortable when they get closer to the > 1s and 0s (myself included, though I'm not a stranger to them). How big > was this thing? > > Peter Schuman wrote: > > > > Well, literally, my first digital computer was a plastic contraption I got > > in the 1960s sometime. It consisted of wires (for strength, not > > conduction) and a lot of levers and plastic slides. You could rearrange > > the sliders and levers and get the computer to either do addition or > > subtraction or generate random numbers -- all on a 3-bit "display": three > > of the sliders that represented 1 if pulled out and 0 if pushed in. No > > Altair, but I certainly got an understanding of the process in adding > > numbers in a digital computer -- and an appreciation for the time and > > rework needed to get even the simplest computer program to work. Once you > > spent the hours to assemble the thing and worked out how to do the small > > number of things it could do, that was that: there was nothing more you > > could do with it. You couldn't even dismantle it so you could store it > > safely (easy-snapping polystyrene, remember?) > > > > A few computer museums have these, but they were made of soft steel wire > > and polystyrene ("high-impact," of course!), so they have VERY little > > resistance to breaking. > > > > A bit of experience with a mechanical digital computer goes a long way > > towards breaking down any awe for the magical electronic "brain." I will > > never think of computers as anything but extremely fast, extremely stupid > > adding machines. Of course, they are also examples of how much can be done > > with lots and lots of simple-minded processes -- but then, so are ants and > > bees; the tiny, self-replicating robots that some labs have running around > > on lab floors are really just an order of magnitude or so simpler than the > > "brains" controlling insects. > > > > The Kaypro 2X in the garage is a different animal, of course: 4 MHz Z80 > > with 64 K of memory and two 390K floppy drives. Over 6 years, I wrote > > about 1 1/2 million words on it, all of which were printed on a Juki 6100 > > daisy wheel printer. And Wordstar -- made in hacker's heaven, for hackers. > > > > "Trainor, Kevin T." wrote: > > > > > Jeff wrote: > > > > I still have my first computer (Apple II+) and monitor (green > > > > monochrome made by apple) in the basement. > > > I have an XT clone that my son has "inherited"; bought it > > > for about $2000 worth of grad school student loan money in 1988. > > > I remember being thrilled because it had 10 expansion slots and > > > a CGA monitor. > > > > > > > > > > Scary, though, > > > > that my TI-89 graphing calculator is many times more powerful than my > > > first > > > > computer, or even my first Mac. (16MHz 68000 vs. 8MHz 68000 > > > > vs. 1MHz 6502) > > > I feel the same way about my Palm Pilot (a Personal, not > > > even a III!) and that 8088. Very scary. > > > > > > Kevin Trainor > > > [Snip!] > > > > -- > > Peter Schuman paschuman@uswest.net > > > > Vegetarians eat vegetables: Beware of humanitarians! > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > -- > Troy Johnson mailto:john1536@tc.umn.edu http://umn.edu/~john1536/ > You know why there's a Second Amendment? In case the government fails > to > follow the first one. > -- Rush Limbaugh, in a moment of unaccustomed profundity 17 Aug > 1993 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Mon Aug 7 14:37:47 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20153] DSL Hook up In-Reply-To: <91D5125D428BD311A15600C06C003A70878534@exchange_serve.multitech.prv>; from TFS@MULTITECH.com on Mon, Aug 07, 2000 at 01:50:34PM -0500 References: <91D5125D428BD311A15600C06C003A70878534@exchange_serve.multitech.prv> Message-ID: <20000807143747.K758@ringworld.org> * Troy Schmidt [000807 13:52]: > You can purchase a DSL/Cable modem router from Lyncsys or Multi-Tech Systems > will have our version soon that defeats PPPoE. 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Especially strange is that the drive I used has been known to "imagine" data on a blank CD and refuse to write, claiming there wasn't enough space. While we're on the subject of Pinstripe, I'm planning on installing it tonight on my system. Has anyone else tried it/able to offer some words of wisdom? -Brian > 7.1 what? > > Gabe > > On Mon, Aug 07, 2000 at 12:53:32PM -0500, Bob W. Anderson wrote: > > I've signed up for the installfest but haven't received a time confirmation. > > Should I just show up at the very beginning? > > > > The list and other Linux sites are reporting a lot of anguish over 7.1 installs. > > Should I wait a while before entering this threatening forrest or will there be > > adequate expertise/experience on had at the installfest to assure modest > > success? I'm really gun-shy since my own attempt to install 7.0 last winter > > resulted in corruption of both HD's and data loss. > > > > BTW - I think I finally got it figured out. Lilo is the name of one of the > > Teletubbies. No wonder I have problems. Lilo predates teletubbies by a few years. ;) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Mon Aug 7 14:49:33 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20156] Installfest References: <382089679.965677140049.JavaMail.root@web447-ec.mail.com> Message-ID: <398F12CD.72E4474A@tcfreenet.org> > I wish someone could explain to me how a 665 MB image fit onto a 650 MB CD. > All my CDs are 650 and even though I was positive it wouldn't work, it did. > Especially strange is that the drive I used has been known to "imagine" data > on a blank CD and refuse to write, claiming there wasn't enough space. > > While we're on the subject of Pinstripe, I'm planning on installing it > tonight on my system. Has anyone else tried it/able to offer some words of > wisdom? Nope, was going to try it tonight. Don't want to nuke my machine now if it doesn't work. ;) Though I just realised since I'm running on reiserfs, getting it to run is going to be a bit of a trick. Custom boot disk making time... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Mon Aug 7 14:57:34 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (Gabe Turner (officer)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20156] Installfest In-Reply-To: <382089679.965677140049.JavaMail.root@web447-ec.mail.com>; from marshmallowmateys@email.com on Mon, Aug 07, 2000 at 03:39:00PM -0400 References: <382089679.965677140049.JavaMail.root@web447-ec.mail.com> Message-ID: <20000807145734.C29587@sorry.cs.umn.edu> It has to do with the misinterpretation of a megabyte... When they (the CD manufacturer) say 650 MB, you think 650,000,000 bytes, but 650 MB is really 1024*650,000 = 665,600,000 bytes. They've actually contemplated leaving 1000k as a megabyte and renaming 1024k to mebabyte or somehting like that. Silly if you ask me. Gabe On Mon, Aug 07, 2000 at 03:39:00PM -0400, Brian wrote: > >On a related note, just tried burning a Red Hat Pinstripe CD. It >won't > >fit... > > > I wish someone could explain to me how a 665 MB image fit onto a 650 MB CD. > All my CDs are 650 and even though I was positive it wouldn't work, it did. > Especially strange is that the drive I used has been known to "imagine" data > on a blank CD and refuse to write, claiming there wasn't enough space. > > While we're on the subject of Pinstripe, I'm planning on installing it > tonight on my system. Has anyone else tried it/able to offer some words of > wisdom? > > -Brian > > > > > 7.1 what? > > > > Gabe > > > > On Mon, Aug 07, 2000 at 12:53:32PM -0500, Bob W. Anderson wrote: > > > I've signed up for the installfest but haven't received a time > confirmation. > > > Should I just show up at the very beginning? > > > > > > The list and other Linux sites are reporting a lot of anguish over 7.1 > installs. > > > Should I wait a while before entering this threatening forrest or will > there be > > > adequate expertise/experience on had at the installfest to assure modest > > > success? I'm really gun-shy since my own attempt to install 7.0 last > winter > > > resulted in corruption of both HD's and data loss. > > > > > > BTW - I think I finally got it figured out. Lilo is the name of one of > the > > > Teletubbies. No wonder I have problems. > > Lilo predates teletubbies by a few years. ;) > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > ----------------------------------------------- > FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com > Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "You seeck leettle monkey!" - Ren Hoek in "Stimpy's Invention" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From foeclan at winternet.com Mon Aug 7 14:58:21 2000 From: foeclan at winternet.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20156] Installfest In-Reply-To: <20000807145734.C29587@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: While we're on the topic of the installfest... I picked up a Dell laptop at the computer show a few weeks ago. The Cd-ROM drive is hooked up through a PCMCIA SCSI card. I haven't had time to sit down and build a bootdisk yet to try and get Linux installed on it (default SCSI bootdisk/PCMCIA rootdisk for Slackware 7.0 didn't appear to work). Anyone who'll be at the installfest have any experience installing on that sort of configuration? There's no NIC/Modem yet, so network installs aren't an option. Michael Vieths Foeclan@Winternet.Com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Mon Aug 7 14:59:53 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20156] Installfest In-Reply-To: <20000807145734.C29587@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: That was on /. awhile back. It was quite ridiculous, but it's the very reason that you buy an 18Gb drive and you don't really get 18Gb. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, Gabe Turner wrote: > It has to do with the misinterpretation of a megabyte... When they > (the CD manufacturer) say 650 MB, you think 650,000,000 bytes, but 650 MB is > really 1024*650,000 = 665,600,000 bytes. They've actually contemplated > leaving 1000k as a megabyte and renaming 1024k to mebabyte or somehting > like that. Silly if you ask me. > > Gabe > > On Mon, Aug 07, 2000 at 03:39:00PM -0400, Brian wrote: > > >On a related note, just tried burning a Red Hat Pinstripe CD. It >won't > > >fit... > > > > > > I wish someone could explain to me how a 665 MB image fit onto a 650 MB CD. > > All my CDs are 650 and even though I was positive it wouldn't work, it did. > > Especially strange is that the drive I used has been known to "imagine" data > > on a blank CD and refuse to write, claiming there wasn't enough space. > > > > While we're on the subject of Pinstripe, I'm planning on installing it > > tonight on my system. Has anyone else tried it/able to offer some words of > > wisdom? > > > > -Brian > > > > > > > > > 7.1 what? > > > > > > Gabe > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 07, 2000 at 12:53:32PM -0500, Bob W. Anderson wrote: > > > > I've signed up for the installfest but haven't received a time > > confirmation. > > > > Should I just show up at the very beginning? > > > > > > > > The list and other Linux sites are reporting a lot of anguish over 7.1 > > installs. > > > > Should I wait a while before entering this threatening forrest or will > > there be > > > > adequate expertise/experience on had at the installfest to assure modest > > > > success? I'm really gun-shy since my own attempt to install 7.0 last > > winter > > > > resulted in corruption of both HD's and data loss. > > > > > > > > BTW - I think I finally got it figured out. Lilo is the name of one of > > the > > > > Teletubbies. No wonder I have problems. > > > > Lilo predates teletubbies by a few years. ;) > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------- > > FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com > > Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Gabe Turner | X-President, > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > "You seeck leettle monkey!" > - Ren Hoek in "Stimpy's Invention" > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Mon Aug 7 15:13:35 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20156] Installfest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The slack PCMCIA thing seemed to be a real pain when I tried it. I believe I had to boot with a boot/root combo and then use the supplementary PCMCIA disk...you just type "pcmcia" after you login as root and it'll prompt you for the disk. That's new since Slack4 or something. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, Michael Vieths wrote: > While we're on the topic of the installfest... > > I picked up a Dell laptop at the computer show a few weeks ago. The > Cd-ROM drive is hooked up through a PCMCIA SCSI card. I haven't had time > to sit down and build a bootdisk yet to try and get Linux installed on it > (default SCSI bootdisk/PCMCIA rootdisk for Slackware 7.0 didn't appear > to work). > Anyone who'll be at the installfest have any experience installing on that > sort of configuration? There's no NIC/Modem yet, so network installs > aren't an option. > > Michael Vieths > Foeclan@Winternet.Com > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From isla0005 at tc.umn.edu Mon Aug 7 18:42:10 2000 From: isla0005 at tc.umn.edu (Apu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20104] A perl problem References: <040800217.35812@209.98.84.145> <398AF7F7.2EAA9A47@talkware.net> Message-ID: <398F4952.1F3903D4@tc.umn.edu> Hi, I tried to use NET::DNS but as I am just using a web hosting from a company I am not able to use that module (they don't have it installed). Any other idea (using unix....) Apu Fin de Siecle wrote: > There's a Net::DNS module available on CPAN that has ~30 sub-units to > it, probably > either Net::DNS::Resolver or Net::DNS::Question would have a function > that does > what you want... > > isla0005@tc.umn.edu wrote: > > > > Does anyone know about any routine in perl which can convert > > the IP to a readable network name ? > > > > Example : if the user is loggin in from soutdale, the name of > > the network comes up as southdale.mn.rr or something... > > > > Apu > > > > ----- > > Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) > > The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > -- > <----------------------------------------------------------------------> > Chris H. Bidler cbidler@talkware.net > Associate Engineer, Applications Group (612)843-6734 > Universal Talkware Corp. > > "In any event, is a O^(log N) search that returns the wrong answer > really better than an O^N search that returns the right answer?" > <----------------------------------------------------------------------> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From trammell at nitz.hep.umn.edu Mon Aug 7 09:34:29 2000 From: trammell at nitz.hep.umn.edu (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20104] A perl problem Message-ID: <200008071434.JAA07512@nitz.hep.umn.edu> Hello Apu: > I tried to use NET::DNS but as I am just using a web hosting from > a company I am not able to use that module (they don't have it > installed). > > Any other idea (using unix....) #!/usr/bin/perl -w use strict; my ($name,$alias,$type,$net,@addrs) = gethostbyname("www.yahoo.com"); print qq[$name,$alias,$type,$net\n]; foreach my $addr (@addrs) { my @bytes = unpack('C4',$addr); printf " %s\n", join ".", @bytes; } --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From natecars at real-time.com Mon Aug 7 17:18:43 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20104] A perl problem In-Reply-To: <398F4952.1F3903D4@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, Apu wrote: > Hi, > > I tried to use NET::DNS but as I am just using a web hosting from a company > I am not able to use that module (they don't have it installed). > > Any other idea (using unix....) > > Apu IIRC, you can install perl modules in your home directory.. check the CPAN documentation. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Mon Aug 7 18:31:02 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:20182] Annoying things in Java JVM Message-ID: <20000807183102.I22577@real-time.com> When I run many Java application under linux I always seem to get countless 'missing font' errors. Font specified in font.properties not found [--symbol-medium-r-normal--*-%d-*-*-p-*-adobe-fontspecific] Font specified in font.properties not found [--symbol-medium-r-normal--*-%d-*-*-p-*-adobe-fontspecific] Font specified in font.properties not found [--symbol-medium-r-normal--*-%d-*-*-p-*-adobe-fontspecific] Font specified in font.properties not found [--symbol-medium-r-normal--*-%d-*-*-p-*-adobe-fontspecific] Font specified in font.properties not found [--symbol-medium-r-normal--*-%d-*-*-p-*-adobe-fontspecific] I solved many of these issues by using a JAVA_FONT env variable as such: setenv JAVA_FONTS $JAVA_HOME/jre/lib/fonts:/usr/share/fonts/default/ghostscript My question is, where do you get these fonts for linux? Also, this blows away my belief in write-one-run-everywhere of Java. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tim at tneu.visi.com Mon Aug 7 17:01:30 2000 From: tim at tneu.visi.com (tim) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20104] A perl problem In-Reply-To: <398F4952.1F3903D4@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: Wouldn't the gethostbyname/gethostbyaddr function do what you want? I know these are available in some perl implmentations. On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, Apu wrote: > Hi, > > I tried to use NET::DNS but as I am just using a web hosting from a company > I am not able to use that module (they don't have it installed). > > Any other idea (using unix....) > > Apu > > Fin de Siecle wrote: > > > There's a Net::DNS module available on CPAN that has ~30 sub-units to > > it, probably > > either Net::DNS::Resolver or Net::DNS::Question would have a function > > that does > > what you want... > > > > isla0005@tc.umn.edu wrote: > > > > > > Does anyone know about any routine in perl which can convert > > > the IP to a readable network name ? > > > > > > Example : if the user is loggin in from soutdale, the name of > > > the network comes up as southdale.mn.rr or something... > > > > > > Apu > > > > > > ----- > > > Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) > > > The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > -- > > <----------------------------------------------------------------------> > > Chris H. Bidler cbidler@talkware.net > > Associate Engineer, Applications Group (612)843-6734 > > Universal Talkware Corp. > > > > "In any event, is a O^(log N) search that returns the wrong answer > > really better than an O^N search that returns the right answer?" > > <----------------------------------------------------------------------> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ______ _ __ "If you don't have the freedom to use what you / ' ) ) own - then you do not own anything." / o ______ / / _ . . No apologies to Jack Valenti or the MPAA / <_/ / / < / (_ Message-ID: <398F5458.A4C42AE7@maddog.mn-linux.org> Ben Kochie wrote: > > I have done a whole bunch of IMP installations, commercialy, schools, and > personal use.. it works great, uses imap efficently, > "pine" compatable.. what do you meen by that? > I second IMP. I use it as my default mail reader when I'm not at home. And it's pretty fast too. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From minibiker at prontomail.com Mon Aug 7 19:54:22 2000 From: minibiker at prontomail.com (Blake) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:20185] IRC server Message-ID: <0901FA1AE9C64D115AC40005B80A9E19@minibiker.prontomail.com> Does anyone plan on using the IRC server? I imagine they are using a considerable ammount of bandwidth on it, and I'd hate to see it go to waste :\ -Blake PS: Good site for linux software: Davecentral.com ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail and Homepage at http://www.prontomail.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tim at tneu.visi.com Mon Aug 7 20:14:56 2000 From: tim at tneu.visi.com (tim) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20128] Web email programs In-Reply-To: <398F5458.A4C42AE7@maddog.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, Clay Fandre wrote: > Ben Kochie wrote: > > > > I have done a whole bunch of IMP installations, commercialy, schools, and > > personal use.. it works great, uses imap efficently, > > "pine" compatable.. what do you meen by that? Only that it not snatch the email away from pine - so that I could view messages with either pine or the web program. > I second IMP. I use it as my default mail reader when I'm not at home. > And it's pretty fast too. I'll give IMP a try... I suppose then I have to enable IMAP services... (although this is not a really big deal, I was hoping for something that could access the mailfile directly so that I would not have to open another port...) Oh, well. TCP wrappers are your friend! :-) -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ______ _ __ "If you don't have the freedom to use what you / ' ) ) own - then you do not own anything." / o ______ / / _ . . No apologies to Jack Valenti or the MPAA / <_/ / / < / (_ Message-ID: On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, Blake wrote: > Does anyone plan on using the IRC server? I imagine they are using a > considerable ammount of bandwidth on it, and I'd hate to see it go to > waste :\ I hung out there for a while when it was originally announced but no one ever showed up. I love to chat, but tire quickly of chatting with myself. What was that server again? -Brent --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Mon Aug 7 22:11:57 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20182] Annoying things in Java JVM In-Reply-To: <20000807183102.I22577@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Mon, Aug 07, 2000 at 06:31:02PM -0500 References: <20000807183102.I22577@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20000807221157.M758@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [000807 18:31]: > Also, this blows away my belief in write-one-run-everywhere of Java. Well, since they are in the JRE, and that I bet the JRE had a readme of proper installation and envrionment settings, a properly installed JRE on any machine should be just fine. :) -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 233 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20000807/80395f3d/attachment.pgp -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tim at tneu.visi.com Mon Aug 7 22:06:04 2000 From: tim at tneu.visi.com (tim) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:20189] IMP Configuration In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Wow. IMP is pretty tough to get going! The documentation is also pretty bad. I'm using http://www.firstpr.com.au/web-mail/IMP-How-I-did-it/0imp-etc_install.html Howerver, the install document is quite sloppy and hard to read. The examples look like they were taken from several different installs! I (think) I have all of the modules installed correctly - the horde php, mysql, imp, etc. I try to access http://localhost/horde, and I am prompted to save a file of the type application/x-httpd-php3. Obviously, apache isn't configured to run PHP correctly, even though the following lines are in the httpd.conf AddType application/x-httpd-php3 .php3 .phtml .php AddType application/x-httpd-php3-source .phps AddHandler php3-script .php3 I assume I must be missing something with apache's configuration. Apache is finding the php file - if I select "save", it dumps a copy of the PHP script. Any ideas? I'll do some more RTFM'ing, but I think I'm done for tonite. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ______ _ __ "If you don't have the freedom to use what you / ' ) ) own - then you do not own anything." / o ______ / / _ . . No apologies to Jack Valenti or the MPAA / <_/ / / < / (_; from dieman@ringworld.org on Mon, Aug 07, 2000 at 10:11:57PM -0500 References: <20000807183102.I22577@real-time.com> <20000807221157.M758@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20000807225349.A6488@real-time.com> Quoting Scott Dier (dieman@ringworld.org): > * Bob Tanner [000807 18:31]: > > Also, this blows away my belief in write-one-run-everywhere of Java. > > Well, since they are in the JRE, and that I bet the JRE had a readme of > proper installation and envrionment settings, a properly installed JRE > on any machine should be just fine. :) The specification is in the JRE, but I do not see the actual fonts there. I believe these are the fonts for the little pictures like folders and stuff. Can you be a little more helpful on what I need to do to fix this? I know zippo about fonts. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Mon Aug 7 22:53:49 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:20190] Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20182] Annoying things in Java JVM In-Reply-To: <20000807221157.M758@ringworld.org>; from dieman@ringworld.org on Mon, Aug 07, 2000 at 10:11:57PM -0500 References: <20000807183102.I22577@real-time.com> <20000807221157.M758@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20000807225349.A6488@real-time.com> Quoting Scott Dier (dieman@ringworld.org): > * Bob Tanner [000807 18:31]: > > Also, this blows away my belief in write-one-run-everywhere of Java. > > Well, since they are in the JRE, and that I bet the JRE had a readme of > proper installation and envrionment settings, a properly installed JRE > on any machine should be just fine. :) The specification is in the JRE, but I do not see the actual fonts there. I believe these are the fonts for the little pictures like folders and stuff. Can you be a little more helpful on what I need to do to fix this? I know zippo about fonts. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Aug 7 23:03:11 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20045] DSL References: Message-ID: <398F867F.E9D385F9@tc.umn.edu> Adam Maloney wrote: > > So is Real Time speaking BGP and carrying full routes now? Sprint and > Onvoy are announcing your IP's? Well, I have no idea how some of this more advanced routing stuff works, but I have to wonder if Real-Time is properly communicating about things (of course, I'd guess the problem is more likely to be Onvoy/MR.net, but whatever..) [mike@3po][~]$ traceroute www.mn-linux.org traceroute to crusader.real-time.com (206.10.253.23), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets 1 uvillage1.customer.onvoy.com (206.145.228.1) 3.259 ms 5.871 ms 3.712 ms 2 mrnet-UNIVERSITYVILLAGE.UPP.MR.Net (137.192.170.97) 188.795 ms 168.845 ms 166.449 ms 3 * * * 4 * * * -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ A bird in the hand can be / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ messy. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Mon Aug 7 23:05:02 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20045] DSL In-Reply-To: <398F867F.E9D385F9@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Mon, Aug 07, 2000 at 11:03:11PM -0500 References: <398F867F.E9D385F9@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20000807230502.A6642@real-time.com> Quoting Mike Hicks (hick0088@tc.umn.edu): > Adam Maloney wrote: > > > > So is Real Time speaking BGP and carrying full routes now? Sprint and > > Onvoy are announcing your IP's? > > Well, I have no idea how some of this more advanced routing stuff works, > but I have to wonder if Real-Time is properly communicating about things > (of course, I'd guess the problem is more likely to be Onvoy/MR.net, but > whatever..) > > [mike@3po][~]$ traceroute www.mn-linux.org > traceroute to crusader.real-time.com (206.10.253.23), 30 hops max, 38 > byte packets > 1 uvillage1.customer.onvoy.com (206.145.228.1) 3.259 ms 5.871 ms > 3.712 ms > 2 mrnet-UNIVERSITYVILLAGE.UPP.MR.Net (137.192.170.97) 188.795 ms > 168.845 ms 166.449 ms > 3 * * * > 4 * * * > Yes, we have full BGP routing. And yes, the problem was BGP flapping on MrNet's site of things. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Mon Aug 7 23:05:02 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:20192] Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20045] DSL In-Reply-To: <398F867F.E9D385F9@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Mon, Aug 07, 2000 at 11:03:11PM -0500 References: <398F867F.E9D385F9@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20000807230502.A6642@real-time.com> Quoting Mike Hicks (hick0088@tc.umn.edu): > Adam Maloney wrote: > > > > So is Real Time speaking BGP and carrying full routes now? Sprint and > > Onvoy are announcing your IP's? > > Well, I have no idea how some of this more advanced routing stuff works, > but I have to wonder if Real-Time is properly communicating about things > (of course, I'd guess the problem is more likely to be Onvoy/MR.net, but > whatever..) > > [mike@3po][~]$ traceroute www.mn-linux.org > traceroute to crusader.real-time.com (206.10.253.23), 30 hops max, 38 > byte packets > 1 uvillage1.customer.onvoy.com (206.145.228.1) 3.259 ms 5.871 ms > 3.712 ms > 2 mrnet-UNIVERSITYVILLAGE.UPP.MR.Net (137.192.170.97) 188.795 ms > 168.845 ms 166.449 ms > 3 * * * > 4 * * * > Yes, we have full BGP routing. And yes, the problem was BGP flapping on MrNet's site of things. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Aug 7 23:15:17 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:20193] Quoting (was: Re: Installfest) References: <20000807135919.A29587@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <398F0979.7D256507@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <398F8955.FA93E5D2@tc.umn.edu> Callum Lerwick wrote: > > Whats with this practice of replying above the quoted message? It gets > confusing. ;) I certainly think so, but I must be weird. Then again, I'm becoming accustomed to it, which may be even more annoying. The really sad thing is that I can now keep track of who's talking to who when reading Lotus Notes' Internet-ified e-mail.. The ugliest, nastiest formatting I've ever seen... -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I saw a subliminal / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ advertising executive, \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) but only for a second. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Aug 7 23:16:48 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20185] IRC server References: <0901FA1AE9C64D115AC40005B80A9E19@minibiker.prontomail.com> Message-ID: <398F89B0.BC2D8F4D@tc.umn.edu> Blake wrote: > > Does anyone plan on using the IRC server? I imagine they are using a > considerable ammount of bandwidth on it, and I'd hate to see it go to > waste :\ I would, but I have no route to real-time.com's subnet (see earlier message) -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ If olive oil comes from / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ olives, where does baby \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) oil come from? [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Mon Aug 7 23:19:24 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20185] IRC server In-Reply-To: <398F89B0.BC2D8F4D@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Mon, Aug 07, 2000 at 11:16:48PM -0500 References: <0901FA1AE9C64D115AC40005B80A9E19@minibiker.prontomail.com> <398F89B0.BC2D8F4D@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20000807231924.B6642@real-time.com> Quoting Mike Hicks (hick0088@tc.umn.edu): > Blake wrote: > > > > Does anyone plan on using the IRC server? I imagine they are using a > > considerable ammount of bandwidth on it, and I'd hate to see it go to > > waste :\ > > I would, but I have no route to real-time.com's subnet (see earlier > message) > If you don't have a route, how did this email get here? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From kbullock at ringworld.org Tue Aug 8 00:09:26 2000 From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin Bullock) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20103] Latex Problem In-Reply-To: ; from anave@macalester.edu on Mon, Aug 07, 2000 at 09:13:25AM -0500 References: <965462400.16023.ezmlm@mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <20000808000926.A29985@ringworld.org> On Mon, Aug 07, 2000 at 09:13:25AM -0500, anave@macalester.edu wrote: > Well, I'm using Redhat 6.2, and it's a fresh install. Right now I've got > the latest LaTeX installed from the linux binary install from CTAN. The first thing I would do would be to use the tetex RPMs (available on any RedHat mirror) and *not* the install off of CTAN. Just to complicate things less. Other than that I can't really offer much help... -- Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa Kevin R. Bullock --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Tue Aug 8 07:34:52 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20185] IRC server Message-ID: <0FYZ003784VOMA@mail1.supervalu.com> Well, irc.sigfs.org usually has quite a few people on it (in #sigfs). Come and join us any time. Nick Reinking (IRC Admin) hick0088@tc.umn.edu, on 08/07/2000 11:16:48 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF cc: Subject: Re: [TCLUG:20185] IRC server Blake wrote: > > Does anyone plan on using the IRC server? I imagine they are using a > considerable ammount of bandwidth on it, and I'd hate to see it go to > waste :\ I would, but I have no route to real-time.com's subnet (see earlier message) -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ If olive oil comes from / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ olives, where does baby \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) oil come from? [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From robertl at ccbr.umn.edu Tue Aug 8 09:08:14 2000 From: robertl at ccbr.umn.edu (Robert Leduc) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re:[TCLUG:20103] Latex Problem Message-ID: <3990144E.8DAD5EB9@ccbr.umn.edu> First, sorry that this message is probably not filed properly as a reply in the archives -- I accidentally deleted the original and had to cut and paste from the archives. Second, I am pretty much a novice here, so nothing is gospel and you may want to double check what I'm saying. The error message from mktexpk indicates that the postscript driver dvips can't find the fonts. There is a seperate config file for dvips which might need a path adjusted. As a test, if you create a dvi file can you view it properly with xdvi? Xdvi should trigger font making using the usual search paths as specified in the tex configuration file (texmf.conf?) and the environment. If Xdvi can't find them, then these search paths are messed up in texmf.conf. Another useful command is kpsewhich which will print out the search path used for different types of tex-related files. Check it's man page for the right options to look for. Especially check for .tfm and .pk files. A last possibility is that the file permissions aren't set right in /var? To create a font, somebody needs to be able to write something. Rob >Well, I'm using Redhat 6.2, and it's a fresh install. Right now I've got >the latest LaTeX installed from the linux binary install from CTAN. I >take a normal tex file, run LaTeX on it, it whips up a dvi. Then I do >"dvips -o test.ps test.dvi", and I get this: > >kpathsea: Running mktexpk --mfmode ljfour --bdpi 600 --mag 1+264/600 --dpi >864 >mktexpk: mktexdir >/var/tmp/texfonts/pk/ljfour/public/cm failed. >kpathsea: Appending font creation commands to missfont.log. >dvips: Font cmcsc10 not found, characters will be left blank. > > >If I try to run "sh -x mktexpk ..." with the options above, I >get a couple more >details, but I can't make too much sense of the output. I can send the >output to you if you want, but I don't want to post it to the list, it's a >tad too long. >If I try to convert the dvi file on another machine, it works just fine. >There's no significant difference between the installations that I can >tell. It's driving me nuts. > >Thanks, >--Adam Nave >anave@macalester.edu --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Tue Aug 8 09:28:33 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20045] DSL In-Reply-To: <398F867F.E9D385F9@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: Yeah, the routing problems have always been with MR.Net. UMN, TIES, Minnesota Micronet have all felt the effects first hand. It's nothing with Real-Time. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, Mike Hicks wrote: > Adam Maloney wrote: > > > > So is Real Time speaking BGP and carrying full routes now? Sprint and > > Onvoy are announcing your IP's? > > Well, I have no idea how some of this more advanced routing stuff works, > but I have to wonder if Real-Time is properly communicating about things > (of course, I'd guess the problem is more likely to be Onvoy/MR.net, but > whatever..) > > [mike@3po][~]$ traceroute www.mn-linux.org > traceroute to crusader.real-time.com (206.10.253.23), 30 hops max, 38 > byte packets > 1 uvillage1.customer.onvoy.com (206.145.228.1) 3.259 ms 5.871 ms > 3.712 ms > 2 mrnet-UNIVERSITYVILLAGE.UPP.MR.Net (137.192.170.97) 188.795 ms > 168.845 ms 166.449 ms > 3 * * * > 4 * * * > > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ A bird in the hand can be > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ messy. > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ultracrass at ultracrass.com Tue Aug 8 04:26:47 2000 From: ultracrass at ultracrass.com (jacque) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:20199] OT - JSP virtual hosting Message-ID: <398FD256.82125AD7@ultracrass.com> Does anyone know of a local company that offers virtual web hosting with JSP/Java Servlets support? I found servlets.net, but I'd perfer to work with someone local. Thanks! Jacque --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Tue Aug 8 09:35:44 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20199] OT - JSP virtual hosting In-Reply-To: <398FD256.82125AD7@ultracrass.com> Message-ID: Internet Exposure uses JSP...I don't know how friendly they are towards people that want to develop their own stuff though. I believe http://www.iexposure.com/ would be their website. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, jacque wrote: > Does anyone know of a local company that offers virtual web hosting with > JSP/Java Servlets support? I found servlets.net, but I'd perfer to work > with someone local. > > > Thanks! > Jacque > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Tue Aug 8 09:38:38 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20045] DSL In-Reply-To: ; from adamm@sihope.com on Tue, Aug 08, 2000 at 09:28:33AM -0500 References: <398F867F.E9D385F9@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20000808093838.N758@ringworld.org> We dont really feel it too much anymore. Or at least I dont. I think we got stuck on another router and all was well again. Nevermind that I think we are getting another 58Mbit or so from Qwest. (not aka USWest, but like, from their actual pop out just west of downtown i think) * Adam Maloney [000808 09:29]: > Yeah, the routing problems have always been with MR.Net. UMN, TIES, > Minnesota Micronet have all felt the effects first hand. It's nothing > with Real-Time. > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, Mike Hicks wrote: > > > Adam Maloney wrote: > > > > > > So is Real Time speaking BGP and carrying full routes now? Sprint and > > > Onvoy are announcing your IP's? > > > > Well, I have no idea how some of this more advanced routing stuff works, > > but I have to wonder if Real-Time is properly communicating about things > > (of course, I'd guess the problem is more likely to be Onvoy/MR.net, but > > whatever..) > > > > [mike@3po][~]$ traceroute www.mn-linux.org > > traceroute to crusader.real-time.com (206.10.253.23), 30 hops max, 38 > > byte packets > > 1 uvillage1.customer.onvoy.com (206.145.228.1) 3.259 ms 5.871 ms > > 3.712 ms > > 2 mrnet-UNIVERSITYVILLAGE.UPP.MR.Net (137.192.170.97) 188.795 ms > > 168.845 ms 166.449 ms > > 3 * * * > > 4 * * * > > > > -- > > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ A bird in the hand can be > > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ messy. > > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) > > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Nick Reinking adamm@sihope.com, on 08/08/2000 09:35:44 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF cc: Subject: Re: [TCLUG:20199] OT - JSP virtual hosting Internet Exposure uses JSP...I don't know how friendly they are towards people that want to develop their own stuff though. I believe http://www.iexposure.com/ would be their website. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, jacque wrote: > Does anyone know of a local company that offers virtual web hosting with > JSP/Java Servlets support? I found servlets.net, but I'd perfer to work > with someone local. > > > Thanks! > Jacque > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Tue Aug 8 09:45:06 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20199] OT - JSP virtual hosting References: <0FYZ0065KA670A@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: <003c01c00147$3e716ae0$0100a8c0@Veldhouse.veldy.net> Its growing - you could get an in while it is still budding. Question : What container do you plan to use? Tomcat? GnuJSP? Resin? Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:20199] OT - JSP virtual hosting > A friend and I were thinking about starting up a hosting/development > service with JSP/Servlets - we were wondering if there would be a decent > demand for something like that? What do you all think? > > Nick Reinking > > > > > > adamm@sihope.com, on 08/08/2000 09:35:44 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF > cc: > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:20199] OT - JSP virtual hosting > > Internet Exposure uses JSP...I don't know how friendly they are towards > people that want to develop their own stuff though. > > I believe http://www.iexposure.com/ would be their website. > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, jacque wrote: > > > Does anyone know of a local company that offers virtual web hosting with > > JSP/Java Servlets support? I found servlets.net, but I'd perfer to work > > with someone local. > > > > > > Thanks! > > Jacque > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Tue Aug 8 09:57:20 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20199] OT - JSP virtual hosting In-Reply-To: <0FYZ0065KA670A@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: I know a certain place with a really nice colo facility you could put your boxes at :) backup diesel generator (automatically kicks in 8 seconds after utility power fail) secure access to the building, our suite and the colo room. 24x7 monitored security system redundant AC units, room held at 67F etc, etc, etc. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Tue, 8 Aug 2000 Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > A friend and I were thinking about starting up a hosting/development > service with JSP/Servlets - we were wondering if there would be a decent > demand for something like that? What do you all think? > > Nick Reinking > > > > > > adamm@sihope.com, on 08/08/2000 09:35:44 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF > cc: > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:20199] OT - JSP virtual hosting > > Internet Exposure uses JSP...I don't know how friendly they are towards > people that want to develop their own stuff though. > > I believe http://www.iexposure.com/ would be their website. > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, jacque wrote: > > > Does anyone know of a local company that offers virtual web hosting with > > JSP/Java Servlets support? I found servlets.net, but I'd perfer to work > > with someone local. > > > > > > Thanks! > > Jacque > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Tue Aug 8 09:55:12 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20199] OT - JSP virtual hosting Message-ID: <0FYZ00695BEPGH@mail1.supervalu.com> Hmm, it would most likely be Tomcat, but I'm not exactly sure. I am not really a Java programmer - I would be handling the server administration, etc. I guess we could be open to suggestions - like if there is a big demand for Persistance Powertier or something like that, I imagine we could get that in. The plan was to offer the kind of flexibility you can normally only get with your own colo, but for a lot cheaper (obviously) than your own colo. Nick Reinking veldy@veldy.net, on 08/08/2000 09:45:06 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF cc: Subject: Re: [TCLUG:20199] OT - JSP virtual hosting Its growing - you could get an in while it is still budding. Question : What container do you plan to use? Tomcat? GnuJSP? Resin? Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:20199] OT - JSP virtual hosting > A friend and I were thinking about starting up a hosting/development > service with JSP/Servlets - we were wondering if there would be a decent > demand for something like that? What do you all think? > > Nick Reinking > > > > > > adamm@sihope.com, on 08/08/2000 09:35:44 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF > cc: > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:20199] OT - JSP virtual hosting > > Internet Exposure uses JSP...I don't know how friendly they are towards > people that want to develop their own stuff though. > > I believe http://www.iexposure.com/ would be their website. > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, jacque wrote: > > > Does anyone know of a local company that offers virtual web hosting with > > JSP/Java Servlets support? I found servlets.net, but I'd perfer to work > > with someone local. > > > > > > Thanks! > > Jacque > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dutchman at uswest.net Tue Aug 8 10:20:46 2000 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20199] OT - JSP virtual hosting References: <0FYZ00695BEPGH@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: <3990254E.96A6A324@mn.uswest.net> Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > > Hmm, it would most likely be Tomcat, but I'm not exactly > sure. I am not really a Java programmer - I would be handling > the server administration, etc. I guess we could be open to > suggestions - like if there is a big demand for Persistance > Powertier or something like that, I imagine we could get that > in. The plan was to offer the kind of flexibility you can normally > only get with your own colo, but for a lot cheaper (obviously) than > your own colo. > You are not going to get any advanced features with Tomcat. By this I mean, clustering/failover. Persistence PowerTier would give that to you but at large $$. Lutris Enhydra is a possiblity but the cluster/failover is at their Enterprise level for $$$. -- Perry Hoekstra Consultant Talent Software Solutions dutchman@mn.uswest.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Tue Aug 8 10:22:01 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20067] ancient computers In-Reply-To: <0FYX00E0GBVY01@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 7 Aug 2000 Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > Woah - sorry for getting in so late on this one, but I've been > at Sun training all week. Microsoft's major contracts were > almost exclusively for programming languages up until > the days of the IBM PC. MS didn't do any operating systems > until then - and even when they did the OS thing for IBM, they > did it so that they wouldn't lose their language business. o_O There's a little more to it than that. Turns out that it was most likely a backroom deal, with little Billy Gates' powerful father pulling some strings. Prior to that, they couldn't even get business loans, much less any significant capital. (Really - banks and investors wouldn't touch 'em.) But IBM, of all people!, sees them in the phone book? Not bloody likely! And think about it: 1: IBM was the world's largest computer maker. (At 2nd largest DEC at that time, it was rumored to stand for "It's Better Manually.") Not just a major computer company, but they had been in business for 70 years at that point. You think that they didn't have people that could write a piddly little OS in Armonk or somewhere? They managed to make and sell mainframes and multi-user timesharing systems without Gates & co. 2: It is known that the first choice for a contracted OS was Digital Research, (CP/M-86) who turned them down. (Legend has it that the president kept two IBM negotiators waiting on the tarmac for 2+ hours while he flew a small plane recreationally.) 3: Why not talk to people like Gordon Bell (VMS architect) at Carnegie Mellon? Or any school with a decent computer science dept? Sure, MIT was kind of home turf for DEC, but that didn't mean there weren't any number of good computer people. (Don't forget, the computer industry was not new -- it was like 35 years old, and computer science was pretty mature in the late '70's.) 4: Why not talk to almost anyone with *real* experience in computers? 5: A couple of Harvard drop outs writing interpreters for what were at the time hobbyist computers sure don't mesh with the folks at IBM (who really never wanted to see users get their hands on computers -- I think they still lamented the death of punch cards) who wore suits and sold million dollar systems to banks and airlines. It isn't generally realized just how far Microsoft came -- nor how much of it was handed to them on a silver spoon! Cheers, Phil -- Lottery: a tax on people who are bad at math --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Tue Aug 8 10:32:39 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20156] Installfest In-Reply-To: <382089679.965677140049.JavaMail.root@web447-ec.mail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, Brian wrote: > >On a related note, just tried burning a Red Hat Pinstripe CD. It >won't > >fit... > > > I wish someone could explain to me how a 665 MB image fit onto a 650 MB CD. > All my CDs are 650 and even though I was positive it wouldn't work, it did. > Especially strange is that the drive I used has been known to "imagine" data > on a blank CD and refuse to write, claiming there wasn't enough space. A CD actually hold close to 2.4 GB of *raw* data. The error correction is a *humongous* over head. (An audio CD is actually 750MB or so of data.) Some blank CD's have a tighter track pitch than others, so there may indeed be CDs that won't work. And I believe that the 650MB is a pretty conservative number. Cheers, Phil Mendelsohn (the math guy formerly known as Chief Engineer, Hotdish Mastering!) ;) -- Lottery: a tax on people who are bad at math --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Tue Aug 8 10:54:09 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:20209] useful things: dialup script Message-ID: <20000808105409.L32666@real-time.com> In case anyone cares, here's the script I currently use to dial my modem. (RedHat 6.1, using wvdial, probably not very portable). #!/bin/sh # goes online, checks connection speed, hangs up if speed is too low, and retries. MINSPEED='28800' FALSE='0' TRUE='1' GOOD='0' while [ $GOOD -eq $FALSE ]; do GOOD=$TRUE /sbin/ifup ppp0 CURSPEED=`grep CONNECT /var/log/messages|tail -n1|awk '{print $7}'|cut -c1-5` if ! [ $MINSPEED -le $CURSPEED ] then /sbin/ifdown ppp0 GOOD=$FALSE fi done echo connected at $CURSPEED #make sure all queued mail is sent. /usr/sbin/sendmail -q this seems a bit kludgy, tho. can anyone think of a better way to do it? I had to chmod /var/log/messages to be group-readable to make this work. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andy at theasis.com Tue Aug 8 11:09:57 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20199] OT - JSP virtual hosting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I know a certain place with a really nice colo facility you could put your > boxes at :) Is this a suggestion for the JSP vhosting project alone, or something that's available in general? If the latter, what's the price & connectivity? Where's it located? Andy > backup diesel generator (automatically kicks in 8 seconds after utility > power fail) > secure access to the building, our suite and the colo room. > 24x7 monitored security system > redundant AC units, room held at 67F > etc, etc, etc. > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Tue Aug 8 11:26:51 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:20190] Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20182] Annoying things in Java JVM In-Reply-To: <20000807225349.A6488@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Mon, Aug 07, 2000 at 10:53:49PM -0500 References: <20000807183102.I22577@real-time.com> <20000807221157.M758@ringworld.org> <20000807225349.A6488@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20000808112651.O758@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [000807 22:54]: > Quoting Scott Dier (dieman@ringworld.org): > > * Bob Tanner [000807 18:31]: > > > Also, this blows away my belief in write-one-run-everywhere of Java. > > > > Well, since they are in the JRE, and that I bet the JRE had a readme of > > proper installation and envrionment settings, a properly installed JRE > > on any machine should be just fine. :) > > The specification is in the JRE, but I do not see the actual fonts there. I > believe these are the fonts for the little pictures like folders and stuff. I looked in the solaris install of 1.3 beta refresh and I only see the Lucida* fonts. All .ttf files with a fonts.dir. -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I > believe these are the fonts for the little pictures like folders and stuff. I looked in the solaris install of 1.3 beta refresh and I only see the Lucida* fonts. All .ttf files with a fonts.dir. -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 233 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20000808/7d835161/attachment-0001.pgp -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mjn at umn.edu Tue Aug 8 11:37:38 2000 From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:20212] User rights question... Message-ID: I have a couple of users on a Mandrake system who I'd like to have access(need to FTP and modify files) to the web directory for two different websites. Right now, one of them has root password, which I found after he told me he had changed the Apache config much to my disgust and surprise (its not my mess, I am just trying to clean it up), but I am not to up on my user administration... How is this typically done without molesting newgrp or similar commands? ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ ____________________________ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From esper at sherohman.org Tue Aug 8 11:43:49 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20212] User rights question... In-Reply-To: from mjn at "Aug 8, 2000 11:37:38 am" Message-ID: mjn said: > I have a couple of users on a Mandrake system who I'd like to have > access(need to FTP and modify files) to the web directory for two > different websites. Right now, one of them has root password, which I > found after he told me he had changed the Apache config much to my disgust > and surprise (its not my mess, I am just trying to clean it up), but I am > not to up on my user administration... > > How is this typically done without molesting newgrp or similar commands? Find out how the offending user got the root password, slap him on the wrist (or something more severe, depending on how he got it), change the root password to something that looks like line noise, and make sure he doesn't get his hands on it again. -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Tue Aug 8 12:02:34 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:20199] OT - JSP virtual hosting In-Reply-To: <398FD256.82125AD7@ultracrass.com>; from ultracrass@ultracrass.com on Tue, Aug 08, 2000 at 09:26:47AM +0000 References: <398FD256.82125AD7@ultracrass.com> Message-ID: <20000808120234.A27842@real-time.com> Quoting jacque (ultracrass@ultracrass.com): > Does anyone know of a local company that offers virtual web hosting with > JSP/Java Servlets support? I found servlets.net, but I'd perfer to work > with someone local. Real Time offers vhosting with servlets and JSP. Right now we use JServ/GSP, but with the release of Tomcat 3.2, we will move to Tomcat. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From john1536 at tc.umn.edu Tue Aug 8 12:11:25 2000 From: john1536 at tc.umn.edu (Troy A. Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20209] useful things: dialup script References: <20000808105409.L32666@real-time.com> Message-ID: <39903F3D.E21E33AF@tc.umn.edu> Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > this seems a bit kludgy, tho. can anyone think of a better way to do it? > I had to chmod /var/log/messages to be group-readable to make this work. Find out who sends the line speed message (I assume it is pppd) and then find out what that programs syslog facility (kern, mail, user,...) and severity (info, alert, crit,...) are for this message. In /etc/syslog.conf make a new entry using the facility and severity found and point it at a new file (/var/log/pppmessages or something). chmod that file and pull line speed entries from it. This still is less than ideal, security-wise, but you could use logrotated (or cron) to delete this file on a regular basis. I don't know if this is worth all that work, but it might be a fun exersize. :-) Troy -- Troy Johnson mailto:john1536@tc.umn.edu http://umn.edu/~john1536/ Sponges grow in the ocean... that *kills* me. I wonder how much deeper they'd be if that didn't happen. -- Stephen Wright --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From natecars at real-time.com Tue Aug 8 12:14:19 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20199] OT - JSP virtual hosting In-Reply-To: <398FD256.82125AD7@ultracrass.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, jacque wrote: > Does anyone know of a local company that offers virtual web hosting with > JSP/Java Servlets support? I found servlets.net, but I'd perfer to work > with someone local. I know we offer servlets here. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tim at tneu.visi.com Tue Aug 8 12:59:36 2000 From: tim at tneu.visi.com (tim) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:20216] Debian gurus: In-Reply-To: <39903F3D.E21E33AF@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: Hey. Somehow I managed to get myself stuck in a loop on my system here at work. When I try to do anything with apt (install, remove, etc), I get: hostname:/home/tim# apt-get install ssh Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done E: The package majordomo needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. How do I make apt forget about majordomo? I don't need it whatsoever. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ______ _ __ "If you don't have the freedom to use what you / ' ) ) own - then you do not own anything." / o ______ / / _ . . No apologies to Jack Valenti or the MPAA / <_/ / / < / (_ I was at the last Installfest, and after a grueling battle, we added a partition on my Win 98 box and got RedHat installed. Well ... now I've got a separate box that's just for linux. So I'm bringing that this time. And (she says while ducking) could anyone bring Partition Magic or the like and help me remove the linux partition from the Win 98 box? It's not that I'm not grateful, but I could use the HD space and I'd rather keep things clean. I could survive reformatting everything if I have to, but I'd really prefer to do this without messing up the Win 98 partition. The hardware drivers were a complete bear to get working right, and it takes about 2 days to reinstall everything. Ben - are you coming? I still need to return your tiedown strap. Thanks, Vanessa vvanalst@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Tue Aug 8 12:02:34 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:20218] Re: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:20199] OT - JSP virtual hosting In-Reply-To: <398FD256.82125AD7@ultracrass.com>; from ultracrass@ultracrass.com on Tue, Aug 08, 2000 at 09:26:47AM +0000 References: <398FD256.82125AD7@ultracrass.com> Message-ID: <20000808120234.A27842@real-time.com> Quoting jacque (ultracrass@ultracrass.com): > Does anyone know of a local company that offers virtual web hosting with > JSP/Java Servlets support? I found servlets.net, but I'd perfer to work > with someone local. Real Time offers vhosting with servlets and JSP. Right now we use JServ/GSP, but with the release of Tomcat 3.2, we will move to Tomcat. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Tue Aug 8 13:33:35 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:20199] OT - JSP virtual hosting Message-ID: <20000808133335.B32457@real-time.com> Quoting jacque (ultracrass@ultracrass.com): > Does anyone know of a local company that offers virtual web hosting with > JSP/Java Servlets support? I found servlets.net, but I'd perfer to work > with someone local. > Real Time offers vhosting with servlets and JSP. Right now we use JServ/GSP, but with the release of Tomcat 3.2, we will move to Tomcat. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Tue Aug 8 13:40:46 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (Gabe Turner (officer)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20217] Installfest - anyone bringing Partition Magic? In-Reply-To: <20000808181928.9424.qmail@web1201.mail.yahoo.com>; from vvanalst@yahoo.com on Tue, Aug 08, 2000 at 11:19:28AM -0700 References: <20000808181928.9424.qmail@web1201.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20000808134046.A31215@sorry.cs.umn.edu> You won't need partition magic unless you want to join the two partitions. i suggest you forget about partition magic and just make the current linux partition a new win98 partition. Inlinux, fire up fdisk. Change the partition type of the linux partition to fat32. Then when you boot up win98, the drive will appear in your "My Computer" windows and all you have to do is right click on it and choose "Format" to make a fat32 file system on it. Then, get to a command prompt and type "fdisk /mbr" to get rid of lilo. There you have it, stand-alone win98 box. Gabe On Tue, Aug 08, 2000 at 11:19:28AM -0700, Vanessa Van Alstine wrote: > I was at the last Installfest, and after a grueling > battle, we added a partition on my Win 98 box and got > RedHat installed. > > Well ... now I've got a separate box that's just for > linux. So I'm bringing that this time. And (she says > while ducking) could anyone bring Partition Magic or > the like and help me remove the linux partition from > the Win 98 box? It's not that I'm not grateful, but I > could use the HD space and I'd rather keep things > clean. > > I could survive reformatting everything if I have to, > but I'd really prefer to do this without messing up > the Win 98 partition. The hardware drivers were a > complete bear to get working right, and it takes about > 2 days to reinstall everything. > > Ben - are you coming? I still need to return your > tiedown strap. > > Thanks, > Vanessa > vvanalst@yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Ya lousy bum!" - Muddy Mudskipper in "Stimpy's Big Day" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Tue Aug 8 13:58:57 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:20221] Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20199] OT - JSP virtual hosting In-Reply-To: <3990254E.96A6A324@mn.uswest.net>; from dutchman@uswest.net on Tue, Aug 08, 2000 at 10:20:46AM -0500 References: <0FYZ00695BEPGH@mail1.supervalu.com> <3990254E.96A6A324@mn.uswest.net> Message-ID: <20000808135857.E702@real-time.com> Quoting Perry Hoekstra (dutchman@uswest.net): > Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > > > > Hmm, it would most likely be Tomcat, but I'm not exactly > > sure. I am not really a Java programmer - I would be handling > > You are not going to get any advanced features with Tomcat. By this I > mean, clustering/failover. Persistence PowerTier would give that to you > but at large $$. Lutris Enhydra is a possiblity but the > cluster/failover is at their Enterprise level for $$$. Enhydra (plain?) lists for $99 Enhydra (enterprise) lists for $499 But the stuff in cvs looks like code for Enterprise, so I am not sure what the $499 gives you. I just downloaded the RedHat RPM and installed it, I am in the process of comparing and contrasting Tomcat and Enhydra. In the RedHat RPM version, you can use the Enhydra Redirector to give load-balanced round-robin clustering/failover between Apache and Enhydra. I have not set this up, but from the docs, it looks like this will work with the RPM version, which is the OpenSource version, which I think is the $99 version without printed manuals. I don't know if this gives you server affinity and all the great stuff, but I can fill people in who are interested as I learn more. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From marshmallowmateys at email.com Tue Aug 8 14:22:01 2000 From: marshmallowmateys at email.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20209] useful things: dialup script Message-ID: <381182017.965762521103.JavaMail.root@web595-ec.mail.com> > > this seems a bit kludgy, tho. can anyone think of a better way to do it? > I had to chmod /var/log/messages to be group-readable to make this work. Kinda [OT] but still related, I made a discovery last night that I was hoping would never happen. Since RedHat 4.0, I've always built my dialup connections by running netcfg under X. I created a PPP device, pointed it at /dev/modem, assigned it my static IP from my ISP, ifup ppp0'd, and poof it worked. Last night I installed Redhat Pinstripe, and when I run netcfg the PPP option is no longer there (although SLIP is, go figure). How can I set up a ppp0 without using netcfg? I want a commandline based dialup (AKA not Kppp) and I'm not sure how to set it up without netcfg. Can anyone give me some pointers? -Bian ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From anave at macalester.edu Tue Aug 8 14:24:23 2000 From: anave at macalester.edu (anave@macalester.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:20223] Re: Latex Problem In-Reply-To: <965761169.22551.ezmlm@mn-linux.org> Message-ID: Actually, after about 10 horrible, fustrating days of wrestling with the damned thing, I had to reboot it for other reasons. When it started up, it worked. As a side note, I'd much rather use RPMs, but there's no way I'm messing with it now. Thanks for the help, tho. --Adam Nave anave@macalester.edu --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com Tue Aug 8 14:14:51 2000 From: RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:20224] Kudos, Debian Message-ID: <8794B3B640FED2118D8600C00D0020A52A1871@ipserver2.interplastic.com> Hello all, Been lurking for awhile. Lots of knowledge flying around on here. I'm new to the Debian distro. I've used Caldera, Suse, Slackware (a little). The cool thing is Debian correctly identified my pcmcia hardware. Now I get to play with my network. I have another box running OpenBsd and am looking forward to messing around with send mail et al. I am using slink. What is Debian's newest stable? Take care. I will try to conribute when I can. Ryan Ware --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From wilson at visi.com Tue Aug 8 14:30:29 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20224] Kudos, Debian In-Reply-To: <8794B3B640FED2118D8600C00D0020A52A1871@ipserver2.interplastic.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, Ryan Ware wrote: > I am using slink. What is Debian's newest stable? Slink is it. Potato is currently frozen and should be "stable" Real Soon Now(tm). I use unstable (woody) on my laptop and workstation with no problems. -Tim > Take care. I will try to conribute when I can. Welcome to the list. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Tue Aug 8 14:55:50 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20209] useful things: dialup script References: <381182017.965762521103.JavaMail.root@web595-ec.mail.com> Message-ID: <399065C6.3D2B6EAE@tcfreenet.org> > connections by running netcfg under X. I created a PPP device, pointed it > at /dev/modem, assigned it my static IP from my ISP, ifup ppp0'd, and poof > it worked. Last night I installed Redhat Pinstripe, and when I run netcfg > the PPP option is no longer there (although SLIP is, go figure). How can I > set up a ppp0 without using netcfg? I want a commandline based dialup (AKA > not Kppp) and I'm not sure how to set it up without netcfg. Can anyone give > me some pointers? Try linuxconfig's ppp stuff? Haven't had a PPP connect in a long time myself, but I looked at it once and it was pretty slick... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dutchman at uswest.net Tue Aug 8 14:55:39 2000 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20217] Installfest - anyone bringing Partition Magic? References: <20000808181928.9424.qmail@web1201.mail.yahoo.com> <20000808134046.A31215@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <399065BB.2730AE75@mn.uswest.net> Gabe Turner officer wrote: > > You won't need partition magic unless you want to join the two partitions. > i suggest you forget about partition magic and just make the current linux > partition a new win98 partition. Inlinux, fire up fdisk. Change the > partition type of the linux partition to fat32. Then when you boot up > win98, the drive will appear in your "My Computer" windows and all you have > to do is right click on it and choose "Format" to make a fat32 file system > on it. Then, get to a command prompt and type "fdisk /mbr" to get rid of > lilo. There you have it, stand-alone win98 box. > Can fdisk move partitions? I have a laptop that has a two-partition 6GB drive. Both partitions are formatted to NTFS. With PartitionMagic (in the past), I have been able to shrink the size of the second partition in order to make space for Linux. However, PartitionMagic chokes upon startup on this laptop so I was looking for alternatives. Right now, I really can't ax the partition and redo it. -- Perry Hoekstra Consultant Talent Software Solutions dutchman@mn.uswest.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Tue Aug 8 15:02:05 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:20228] Debian and XFree 4.0? Message-ID: <3990673D.B565B2EC@tcfreenet.org> Is there debian packages for XF 4.0 somewhere? Whats the hold up? ;) Unstable doesn't even have them... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From wilson at visi.com Tue Aug 8 15:13:37 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20228] Debian and XFree 4.0? In-Reply-To: <3990673D.B565B2EC@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, Callum Lerwick wrote: > Is there debian packages for XF 4.0 somewhere? Whats the hold up? ;) > Unstable doesn't even have them... Here's an explanation from the XF maintainer: http://www.debian.org/%7Ebranden/no-4.0.0.txt That's all I know. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Tue Aug 8 15:05:47 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:20221] Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20199] OT - JSP virtual hosting Message-ID: <0FYZ00C4LPRY0H@mail1.supervalu.com> What do you all think of the Orion Application Server? Anything opinions appreciated. Nick tanner@real-time.com, on 08/08/2000 01:58:57 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF cc: Subject: [TCLUG:20221] Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20199] OT - JSP virtual hosting Quoting Perry Hoekstra (dutchman@uswest.net): > Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > > > > Hmm, it would most likely be Tomcat, but I'm not exactly > > sure. I am not really a Java programmer - I would be handling > > You are not going to get any advanced features with Tomcat. By this I > mean, clustering/failover. Persistence PowerTier would give that to you > but at large $$. Lutris Enhydra is a possiblity but the > cluster/failover is at their Enterprise level for $$$. Enhydra (plain?) lists for $99 Enhydra (enterprise) lists for $499 But the stuff in cvs looks like code for Enterprise, so I am not sure what the $499 gives you. I just downloaded the RedHat RPM and installed it, I am in the process of comparing and contrasting Tomcat and Enhydra. In the RedHat RPM version, you can use the Enhydra Redirector to give load-balanced round-robin clustering/failover between Apache and Enhydra. I have not set this up, but from the docs, it looks like this will work with the RPM version, which is the OpenSource version, which I think is the $99 version without printed manuals. I don't know if this gives you server affinity and all the great stuff, but I can fill people in who are interested as I learn more. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dutchman at uswest.net Tue Aug 8 15:27:20 2000 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:20221] Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20199] OT - JSP virtualhosting References: <0FYZ00C4LPRY0H@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: <39906D28.2C829C99@mn.uswest.net> Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > > What do you all think of the Orion Application Server? > Anything opinions appreciated. > Very cutting edge in terms of support for the latest specifications. I had problems in the past with setup, however. Price is right, compared to other application servers, especially for developers. Have not heard anybody speak about their high-availability options. -- Perry Hoekstra Consultant Talent Software Solutions dutchman@mn.uswest.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tsandqui at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 15:37:38 2000 From: tsandqui at yahoo.com (Tim Sandquist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20228] Debian and XFree 4.0? In-Reply-To: <3990673D.B565B2EC@tcfreenet.org>; from lerwick@tcfreenet.org on Tue, Aug 08, 2000 at 03:02:05PM -0500 References: <3990673D.B565B2EC@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <20000808153738.A4383@yahoo.com> On Tue, Aug 08, 2000 at 03:02:05PM -0500, Callum Lerwick wrote: > Is there debian packages for XF 4.0 somewhere? Whats the hold up? ;) > Unstable doesn't even have them... > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org I was curious about that too. Here's the info: http://www.debian.org/~branden/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Tue Aug 8 15:35:41 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (Gabe Turner (officer)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20217] Installfest - anyone bringing Partition Magic? In-Reply-To: <399065BB.2730AE75@mn.uswest.net>; from dutchman@uswest.net on Tue, Aug 08, 2000 at 02:55:39PM -0500 References: <20000808181928.9424.qmail@web1201.mail.yahoo.com> <20000808134046.A31215@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <399065BB.2730AE75@mn.uswest.net> Message-ID: <20000808153541.B31215@sorry.cs.umn.edu> > > Can fdisk move partitions? I have a laptop that has a two-partition 6GB > drive. Both partitions are formatted to NTFS. With PartitionMagic (in > the past), I have been able to shrink the size of the second partition > in order to make space for Linux. However, PartitionMagic chokes upon > startup on this laptop so I was looking for alternatives. Right now, I > really can't ax the partition and redo it. > No, fdisk can't move partitions. It seems to me like she wanted to merge her current partition and her linux partition (which can be done with partition magic). But my suggestion is to just turn her linux partition into a win98 partition. Easier than messing around with partition magic (especially if you don't have the media). Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Ya lousy bum!" - Muddy Mudskipper in "Stimpy's Big Day" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Aug 8 15:44:25 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (blutgens@sistina.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20224] Kudos, Debian In-Reply-To: ; from wilson@visi.com on Tue, Aug 08, 2000 at 02:30:29PM -0500 References: <8794B3B640FED2118D8600C00D0020A52A1871@ipserver2.interplastic.com> Message-ID: <20000808154425.A3360@titanium.sistina.com> On Tue, Aug 08, 2000 at 02:30:29PM -0500, Timothy Wilson wrote: >Slink is it. Potato is currently frozen and should be "stable" Real Soon >Now(tm). I use unstable (woody) on my laptop and workstation with no >problems. > Congratulation on making a wise choice switching to debian! FYI, you can install frozen (I use it for production!) and run it as "stable". Before you get too concerned with "stable" and "unstable" in te Debian realm, know that the definitions therein are different than other dists. In Debian "unstable" means the packages change often and that thier packaging is not thoroughly tested. But it does _NOT_ mean that it's going to crash, like to race, core dump, leak memory as most "unstable" classifications do. Having said that. Bump up a notch to frozen, and when you are comfortable with the debian packaging system and it's idiosyncracies as well as how to track wether or not doing and "apt-get upgrade" is going to break anything and how to put packages on "hold" so they and thier dependancies aren't "upgraded" to busted packages, you can install the "unstable" branches and run them daily. I have great luck with unstable, been running it since slink was unstable because when I installed "Bo" "Hamm came out a week later and the "slink" unstable was right on par with current software so I upgraded. Hehe. -- Ben Lutgens Work: 612.379.5941 Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 Systems Administrator Sistina Software Inc. http://www.globalfilesystem.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Aug 8 15:47:00 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (blutgens@sistina.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20209] useful things: dialup script In-Reply-To: <399065C6.3D2B6EAE@tcfreenet.org>; from lerwick@tcfreenet.org on Tue, Aug 08, 2000 at 02:55:50PM -0500 References: <381182017.965762521103.JavaMail.root@web595-ec.mail.com> <399065C6.3D2B6EAE@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <20000808154700.B3360@titanium.sistina.com> On Tue, Aug 08, 2000 at 02:55:50PM -0500, Callum Lerwick wrote: > >Try linuxconfig's ppp stuff? Haven't had a PPP connect in a long time >myself, but I looked at it once and it was pretty slick... wvdial needs no X and will mostly configure itself. After you run wvdialconf, it'll make a generic config file which you promptly edit to add in your dial up number, username, and pass. If you have a static, it should automagiacally be assigned when you log on. Truth be told I haven't used ppp in a year or so, so YMMV. HTH -- Ben Lutgens Work: 612.379.5941 Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 Systems Administrator Sistina Software Inc. http://www.globalfilesystem.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From fran0382 at tc.umn.edu Tue Aug 8 15:49:49 2000 From: fran0382 at tc.umn.edu (Luke Francl) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:20221] Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20199] OT - JSP virtualhosting In-Reply-To: <0FYZ00C4LPRY0H@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 8 Aug 2000 Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > What do you all think of the Orion Application Server? > Anything opinions appreciated. It has an excellent name. Yours, Lucas Orion Francl --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Aug 8 15:52:08 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (blutgens@sistina.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20228] Debian and XFree 4.0? In-Reply-To: <20000808153738.A4383@yahoo.com>; from tsandqui@yahoo.com on Tue, Aug 08, 2000 at 03:37:38PM -0500 References: <3990673D.B565B2EC@tcfreenet.org> <20000808153738.A4383@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20000808155208.C3360@titanium.sistina.com> On Tue, Aug 08, 2000 at 03:37:38PM -0500, Tim Sandquist wrote: >On Tue, Aug 08, 2000 at 03:02:05PM -0500, Callum Lerwick wrote: >> Is there debian packages for XF 4.0 somewhere? Whats the hold up? ;) >> Unstable doesn't even have them... >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > >I was curious about that too. Here's the info: >http://www.debian.org/~branden/ > This is from the infobot on #debian: ftp://gcu-squad.org/pub/X/XFree4.0/binaries/, these debs will install WITH x3.3.x!... official .debs are in preparation, see http://www.debian.org/~branden. 1) if you're stuck compiling X 4.0; chances are there's a makedepend process frozen. kill the process and the compile will continue. 2) if you get weird graphical errors once you're done, copy xc/programs/Xserver/Xext/extmod/libextmod.a to /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions -- Ben Lutgens Work: 612.379.5941 Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 Systems Administrator Sistina Software Inc. http://www.globalfilesystem.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Aug 8 16:26:05 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:20238] 2.4.0-test5 and BT848? Message-ID: Hi, I don't suppose anyone here's using kernel 2.4.0-test* and has a BT848 video capture card? Mine hangs right after detecting the card with no errors given. -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Tue Aug 8 16:37:02 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20228] Debian and XFree 4.0? References: <3990673D.B565B2EC@tcfreenet.org> <20000808153738.A4383@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <39907D7E.14C6EDE@tcfreenet.org> Tim Sandquist wrote: > > I was curious about that too. Here's the info: > http://www.debian.org/~branden/ Sweet. I'll give 'em a try... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kozmik at myrealbox.com Tue Aug 8 17:57:05 2000 From: kozmik at myrealbox.com (Kozmik Krash) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Re: [TCLUG:20217] Installfest - anyone bringing Partition Magic? Message-ID: <200008082257.e78MvB202078@sprite.real-time.com> yes, standalone win box BUT NOT ONE PARTITION. ;) i have pmagic but that's illegal to give it to you right? ;))))) (dont worry, if i go to the installfest i'll bring it, bewarez, its warez!!!) > You won't need partition magic unless you want to join the two partitions. > i suggest you forget about partition magic and just make the current linux > partition a new win98 partition. Inlinux, fire up fdisk. Change the > partition type of the linux partition to fat32. Then when you boot up > win98, the drive will appear in your "My Computer" windows and all you have > to do is right click on it and choose "Format" to make a fat32 file system > on it. Then, get to a command prompt and type "fdisk /mbr" to get rid of > lilo. There you have it, stand-alone win98 box. > > Gabe > > On Tue, Aug 08, 2000 at 11:19:28AM -0700, Vanessa Van Alstine wrote: > > I was at the last Installfest, and after a grueling > > battle, we added a partition on my Win 98 box and got > > RedHat installed. > > > > Well ... now I've got a separate box that's just for > > linux. So I'm bringing that this time. And (she says > > while ducking) could anyone bring Partition Magic or > > the like and help me remove the linux partition from > > the Win 98 box? It's not that I'm not grateful, but I > > could use the HD space and I'd rather keep things > > clean. > > > > I could survive reformatting everything if I have to, > > but I'd really prefer to do this without messing up > > the Win 98 partition. The hardware drivers were a > > complete bear to get working right, and it takes about > > 2 days to reinstall everything. > > > > Ben - are you coming? I still need to return your > > tiedown strap. > > > > Thanks, > > Vanessa > > vvanalst@yahoo.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > > http://invites.yahoo.com/ > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- ------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn- linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn- linux.org > > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------- > Gabe Turner | X-President, > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > "Ya lousy bum!" > - Muddy Mudskipper in "Stimpy's Big Day" > ---------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------- > > ---------------------------------------------------------- ----------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn- linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn- linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blayer at uswest.net Tue Aug 8 18:32:49 2000 From: blayer at uswest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:20241] Installfest - defrag before this time. Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000808181644.00a89360@pop.mpls.uswest.net> The last thread reminded me of this. If anyone is planning to install Linux to a drive currently partitioned as FAT, it would make sense to defrag that drive, last thing before shutting down and coming to the installfest. This will save a great deal of time if you plan to use anything like Partition Magic or FIPS to create a new partition on a drive that is currently storing data. +----------------------------------------------------------+ | "The" Bill Layer - Frogtown, Minnesota. U.S.A. | | Vacuum tubes, Analog, Motorcycles and Other Alternatives | +----------------------------------------------------------+ +---------------------+ +---------------------------------+ | | | | +---------------------+ +---------------------------------+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Aug 8 18:46:20 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (blutgens@sistina.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20241] Installfest - defrag before this time. In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20000808181644.00a89360@pop.mpls.uswest.net>; from blayer@uswest.net on Tue, Aug 08, 2000 at 06:32:49PM -0500 References: <4.2.2.20000808181644.00a89360@pop.mpls.uswest.net> Message-ID: <20000808184620.A3778@titanium.sistina.com> On Tue, Aug 08, 2000 at 06:32:49PM -0500, Bill Layer wrote: >The last thread reminded me of this. > >If anyone is planning to install Linux to a drive currently partitioned as >FAT, it would make sense to defrag that drive, last thing before shutting >down and coming to the installfest. This will save a great deal of time if >you plan to use anything like Partition Magic or FIPS to create a new >partition on a drive that is currently storing data. > Hey Bill, sounds like a lesson learned from the last time. Good call. I seem to remember that there was one person install who needed to do this and she had a pretty BIG very fragmented drive too. -- Ben Lutgens Work: 612.379.5941 Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 Systems Administrator Sistina Software Inc. http://www.globalfilesystem.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From gsa700 at mediaone.net Tue Aug 8 19:01:57 2000 From: gsa700 at mediaone.net (Dave Erickson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:20243] Setting up my USB Printer. Message-ID: <39909F75.5C67097D@mediaone.net> Hi everyone, I am looking for some help setting up a Canon USB Printer on my Slackware 7.1 system. I patched and compiled in support for USB to my 2.2.16 kernel and it seems to be working correctly as the printer is detected on startup and the /proc/bus/usb filesystem is mounted and ready. (See below) ----------------- /proc/bus/usb/devices ------------------------- T: Bus=01 Lev=00 Prnt=00 Port=00 Cnt=00 Dev#= 1 Spd=12 MxCh= 2 B: Alloc= 0/900 us ( 0%), #Int= 0, #Iso= 0 D: Ver= 1.00 Cls=09(hub ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS= 8 #Cfgs= 1 P: Vendor=0000 ProdID=0000 Rev= 0.00 S: Product=USB UHCI Root Hub S: SerialNumber=ef80 C:* #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=40 MxPwr= 0mA I: If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 1 Cls=09(hub ) Sub=00 Prot=00 Driver=hub E: Ad=81(I) Atr=03(Int.) MxPS= 8 Ivl=255ms T: Bus=01 Lev=01 Prnt=01 Port=01 Cnt=01 Dev#= 2 Spd=12 MxCh= 0 D: Ver= 1.10 Cls=00(>ifc ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS= 8 #Cfgs= 1 P: Vendor=04a9 ProdID=105d Rev= 1.00 S: Manufacturer=Canon S: Product=S450 S: SerialNumber=B6NEfi C:* #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=c0 MxPwr= 2mA I: If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 2 Cls=07(print) Sub=01 Prot=02 Driver=usblp E: Ad=01(O) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 64 Ivl= 0ms E: Ad=82(I) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 64 Ivl= 0ms ------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------- /proc/bus/usb/drivers --------------------------- 0- 15: usblp hub usbdevfs ------------------------------------------------------------------- The only thing is, I can't print. Am I missing something obvious? A usb daemon? Running lpc status gives me this: lp: queuing is enabled printing is enabled no entries no daemon present Sorry if that is too much info, any help would be appreciated. Do I need to symlink /dev/lp to point to a different device? Thanks for any help you can give. -- Dave Erickson (gsa700@mediaone.net) http://people.mn.mediaone.net/gsa700/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Aug 8 19:13:32 2000 From: chewie at wookimus.net (^chewie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20216] Debian gurus: In-Reply-To: ; from tim on Tue, Aug 08, 2000 at 12:59:36PM -0500 References: <39903F3D.E21E33AF@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20000808191332.H10961@wookimus.net> On Tue, Aug 08, 2000 at 12:59:36PM -0500, tim wrote: > hostname:/home/tim# apt-get install ssh Reading Package Lists... > Done Building Dependency Tree... Done E: The package majordomo needs > to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. > > How do I make apt forget about majordomo? I don't need it > whatsoever. -- You can remove a package with apt-get using `apt-get remove ' if you want apt-get to parse out all the dependencies for you. Remember, apt is built on top of dpkg. *hint hint* If you type the following, what do you get? bash# dpkg -l You will most likely see something like: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) ||/ Name Version Description +++-==============-==============-============================================ ii a2ps 4.13b-2 GNU a2ps 'Anything to PostScript' converter ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To uninstall a partially installed or installed package, use the following: bash# dpkg --remove or bash# dpkg --purge "--remove" simply removes the package binaries and libraries, whereas "--purge" removes EVERYTHING associated with this package. Now, if you run into dependency errors, like " depends on ...cannot be removed", add to your dpkg --remove command. Repeat until you've satisfied the dependency requirements. HINT HINT... RTFM! It's all in the man pages... -- Chad "^chewie" Walstrom http://wookimus.net/chewie -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 242 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20000808/7f39e91f/attachment.pgp -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Tue Aug 8 19:52:03 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:20218] Re: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:20199] OT - JSP virtual hosting References: <398FD256.82125AD7@ultracrass.com> <20000808120234.A27842@real-time.com> Message-ID: <002b01c0019c$08b85d00$0100a8c0@Veldhouse.veldy.net> Take a look at Resin. http://www.caucho.com/ It is much faster than TomCat (3x in many cases) - it has integrated XML/XSL/XSLT (which is faster than Cocoon I believe), and it is JSP 1.1 and Java Servlet 2.2 complient (contexts, etc). Look at version 1.1.3 for the latest stable version. I found TomCat a hassle because it insists upon serving up static HTML pages as well as JSP (thanks to aliasing an entire directory structure to Tomcat instead of just JSP, XML, etc.). Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Tanner" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 12:02 PM Subject: [TCLUG:20218] Re: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:20199] OT - JSP virtual hosting > Quoting jacque (ultracrass@ultracrass.com): > > Does anyone know of a local company that offers virtual web hosting with > > JSP/Java Servlets support? I found servlets.net, but I'd perfer to work > > with someone local. > > Real Time offers vhosting with servlets and JSP. Right now we use JServ/GSP, but > with the release of Tomcat 3.2, we will move to Tomcat. > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cfandre at maddog.mn-linux.org Tue Aug 8 19:57:24 2000 From: cfandre at maddog.mn-linux.org (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20238] 2.4.0-test5 and BT848? References: Message-ID: <3990AC74.5227BC5@maddog.mn-linux.org> Yaron wrote: > > Hi, > > I don't suppose anyone here's using kernel 2.4.0-test* and has a BT848 > video capture card? Mine hangs right after detecting the card with no > errors given. > > -Yaron Yup. Mine works just fine. What kind of card do you have? Here's my dmesg output: Linux video capture interface: v1.00 bttv: driver version 0.7.37 loaded bttv: using 2 buffers with 2080k (4160k total) for capture bttv: Bt8xx card found (0). bttv0: Brooktree Bt878 (rev 2) bus: 0, devfn: 104, irq: 5, memory: 0xe3006000. i2c-core.o: adapter bt848 #0 registered as adapter 0. bttv0: i2c: checking for eeprom @ 0xa0... found bttv0: card id: Hauppauge WinTV (0x13eb0070) => card=10 bttv0: model: BT878(Hauppauge new (bt878)) [autodetected] bttv0: Hauppauge eeprom: tuner=Philips FI1236 MK2 (2) bttv0: Hauppauge msp34xx: reset line init bttv0: i2c: checking for MSP34xx @ 0x80... not found i2c-core.o: adapter unregistered: bt848 #0 i2c-core.o: adapter bt848 #0 registered as adapter 0. bttv0: i2c: checking for MSP34xx @ 0x80... not found bttv0: i2c: checking for TDA8425 @ 0x82... not found bttv0: i2c: checking for TDA985x @ 0xb6... not found bttv0: i2c: checking for TDA9875 @ 0xb0... not found i2c-core.o: driver i2c TV tuner driver registered. tuner: chip found @ 0x61 bttv0: i2c attach [Philips NTSC] i2c-core.o: client [Philips NTSC] registered to adapter [bt848 #0](pos. 0). bttv0: PLL: 28636363 => 35468950 ... ok bttv0: PLL: switching off --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Tue Aug 8 20:25:20 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:20247] Real-time and USWest DSL? Message-ID: <009401c001a0$aef28b60$0100a8c0@Veldhouse.veldy.net> Now that USWest has opened the floodgates to the users that can get 640/272 access, is realtime allowing its current 256 users to get this speed? If so, what is the policy on new customers? Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net From tanner at real-time.com Tue Aug 8 20:32:25 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:20248] Re: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:20247] Real-time and USWest DSL? In-Reply-To: <009401c001a0$aef28b60$0100a8c0@Veldhouse.veldy.net>; from veldy@veldy.net on Tue, Aug 08, 2000 at 08:25:20PM -0500 References: <009401c001a0$aef28b60$0100a8c0@Veldhouse.veldy.net> Message-ID: <20000808203225.H7381@real-time.com> Quoting Thomas T. Veldhouse (veldy@veldy.net): > Now that USWest has opened the floodgates to the users that can get 640/272 > access, is realtime allowing its current 256 users to get this speed? If so, > what is the policy on new customers? We are not doing any traffic shaping, but we do monitor your connection rate for billing purposes. Meaning, we will catch people who buy a 256K link from Real Time, but get a 1Mb link from USWest and try to only pay Real Time for 256K of bandwidth. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From drew at usfamily.net Tue Aug 8 22:09:17 2000 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20217] Installfest - anyone bringing Partition Magic? References: <20000808181928.9424.qmail@web1201.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002701c001af$35c54840$7521a0d8@gateway> I'll bring a copy ----- Original Message ----- From: Vanessa Van Alstine To: Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 1:19 PM Subject: [TCLUG:20217] Installfest - anyone bringing Partition Magic? > I was at the last Installfest, and after a grueling > battle, we added a partition on my Win 98 box and got > RedHat installed. > > Well ... now I've got a separate box that's just for > linux. So I'm bringing that this time. And (she says > while ducking) could anyone bring Partition Magic or > the like and help me remove the linux partition from > the Win 98 box? It's not that I'm not grateful, but I > could use the HD space and I'd rather keep things > clean. > > I could survive reformatting everything if I have to, > but I'd really prefer to do this without messing up > the Win 98 partition. The hardware drivers were a > complete bear to get working right, and it takes about > 2 days to reinstall everything. > > Ben - are you coming? I still need to return your > tiedown strap. > > Thanks, > Vanessa > vvanalst@yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Aug 8 22:14:55 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:20248] Re: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:20247] Real-time and USWest DSL? In-Reply-To: <20000808203225.H7381@real-time.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > Meaning, we will catch people who buy a 256K link from Real Time, but get a 1Mb > link from USWest and try to only pay Real Time for 256K of bandwidth. What if it's not my fault that USWEST is letting me use more than I paid them too for? -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From isla0005 at tc.umn.edu Wed Aug 9 03:48:56 2000 From: isla0005 at tc.umn.edu (Apu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:20251] A Crash References: <009401c001a0$aef28b60$0100a8c0@Veldhouse.veldy.net> <20000808203225.H7381@real-time.com> Message-ID: <39911AF8.C69EDE37@tc.umn.edu> I was trying to install K desktop over the default X into my BSD 4.0 but during the read phase the CD rom failed and now I am not able to boot anymore. Here is what I get : " Unexpected Inconsistency : Run fsck manually the following file system had an unexpected inconsistency : /dev/ad0s1f (/usr), /dev/ad0s1e (/var) Automatic file system check failed...help ! Enter full pathname of shell or RETURN for /bin/sh: " Any easier way to fix this rather than wiping out everything and start from the scratch again ? Apu --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Wed Aug 9 03:28:11 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:20248] Re: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:20247] Real-time and USWest DSL? In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Tue, Aug 08, 2000 at 10:14:55PM -0500 References: <20000808203225.H7381@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20000809032811.Q758@ringworld.org> * Yaron [000808 22:15]: > > Meaning, we will catch people who buy a 256K link from Real Time, but get a 1Mb > > link from USWest and try to only pay Real Time for 256K of bandwidth. > What if it's not my fault that USWEST is letting me use more than I paid > them too for? Dude. If your using 604K or whatever burst, and then 256K over the entire month, your either A) not using the DSL line for residential puropses B) should really have a colocated machine or C) need to reevaluate that warez and porn server deal. :) -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It was going through the detection sequence, there was a flash on the screen, then nothing. Tim Wilson said that he was running Debian on his laptop. I looked at the Debian website but read no mention of a FTP install similiar to RedHat. I could do a boot floppy install but I am worried about PCMCIA card detection which is what I need to complete the network installation. I read some chapters of O'Reilly's Learning Debian GNU/Linux but it really did not discuss network installs. My question is: Can you do a network install of Debian? If so, can I do it from a laptop? -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services dutchman@mn.uswest.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net Wed Aug 9 07:11:52 2000 From: jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20251] A Crash In-Reply-To: Apu's message of "Wed, 09 Aug 2000 01:48:56 -0700" References: <009401c001a0$aef28b60$0100a8c0@Veldhouse.veldy.net> <20000808203225.H7381@real-time.com> <39911AF8.C69EDE37@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: Apu writes: > I was trying to install K desktop over the default X into my BSD 4.0 but during the > read phase the CD rom failed and now I am not able to boot anymore. Here is what I > get : > " > Unexpected Inconsistency : Run fsck manually > the following file system had an unexpected inconsistency : > /dev/ad0s1f (/usr), /dev/ad0s1e (/var) > Automatic file system check failed...help ! > Enter full pathname of shell or RETURN for /bin/sh: > > " > > Any easier way to fix this rather than wiping out everything and start from the > scratch again ? Have you tried just running fsck like it suggests? It's possible that'll fix it. -- Jon Schewe http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe jpschewe@eggplant.mtu.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Wed Aug 9 07:49:03 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20253] Disgust at RH References: <39913901.A767E646@mn.uswest.net> Message-ID: <3991533F.19D06719@ltiflex.com> > > Can you do a network install of Debian? > If so, can I do it from a laptop? > If you like RedHats network install, you'll love Debian's. The current boot disks default to http to get the base system. From memory, you will need the root disk, the rescue disk, and all three driver disks for PCMICA. Once you have gotten through those, it will go off and fetch the base2_2.tgz and unpack it. (Really, it's less painful than creating 13 or so disks) Now you have enough to run dpkg, dselect, and apt-get. these tools will get all the software you should need. Good luck. -- \\\|/// \\ - - // ( @ @ ) ----oOOo--(_)-oOOo-------------------------------------------- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 ---------------Ooooo------------------------------------------ ( ) ooooO ) / ( ) (_/ \ ( \_) -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From barnabas at knicknack.net Wed Aug 9 07:50:33 2000 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (barnabas@knicknack.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:20256] Spaces in mutt patterns Message-ID: <20000809075033.A4791@knicknack.net> I know I could ask this question on a mutt list, but since there are quite a few mutt users here, I thought I'd ask here first. Nightly I send myself several status report and I'd like to set up save-hooks based on the subject of the message. The problem I'm having is with spaces in the pattern. Everything I've tried thus far either produces a syntax error in the .muttrc or a "too many arguments" error. What I want is something like the following: save-hook ~sNightly Backup Report +backup Can anyone help me with the proper syntax? Thanks. Eric --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Aug 9 08:02:24 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20253] Disgust at RH In-Reply-To: <39913901.A767E646@mn.uswest.net>; from dutchman@uswest.net on Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 05:57:05AM -0500 References: <39913901.A767E646@mn.uswest.net> Message-ID: <20000809080224.A9939@localhost> On Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 05:57:05AM -0500, Perry Hoekstra wrote: >Greet the sun all, > >read some chapters of O'Reilly's Learning Debian GNU/Linux but it really >did not discuss network installs. My question is: > >Can you do a network install of Debian? Absolutely. >If so, can I do it from a laptop? > Yes. -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Wed Aug 9 08:51:52 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (Gabe Turner (officer)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20251] A Crash In-Reply-To: <39911AF8.C69EDE37@tc.umn.edu>; from isla0005@tc.umn.edu on Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 01:48:56AM -0700 References: <009401c001a0$aef28b60$0100a8c0@Veldhouse.veldy.net> <20000808203225.H7381@real-time.com> <39911AF8.C69EDE37@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20000809085152.A32395@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Boot to single user mode. fsck /dev/ad0s1f /dev/ad0s1e Gabe On Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 01:48:56AM -0700, Apu wrote: > > I was trying to install K desktop over the default X into my BSD 4.0 but during the > read phase the CD rom failed and now I am not able to boot anymore. Here is what I > get : > " > Unexpected Inconsistency : Run fsck manually > the following file system had an unexpected inconsistency : > /dev/ad0s1f (/usr), /dev/ad0s1e (/var) > Automatic file system check failed...help ! > Enter full pathname of shell or RETURN for /bin/sh: > > " > > Any easier way to fix this rather than wiping out everything and start from the > scratch again ? > > Apu > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "You wooorrm!" - Ren Hoek in "The Boy Who Cried Rat!" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Wed Aug 9 08:57:59 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (Gabe Turner (officer)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:20259] suidperl Message-ID: <20000809085759.B32395@sorry.cs.umn.edu> I'm sure you all got the security advisory about suidperl in RedHat. Well, when trying to freshen the perl package with the new one, I get [root@xxx rh6x-updates]# rpm -Fvh perl-5.00503-11.i386.rpm error: failed dependencies: rpmlib(VersionedDependencies) <= 3.0.3-1 is needed by perl-5.00503-11 Has anyone successfully updated this package? The current rpm version on rh6.2 is 3.0.4-0.48, so why does this package want a much older version? I never use redhat except here at work and know nothing about rpms. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "You wooorrm!" - Ren Hoek in "The Boy Who Cried Rat!" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From sfpiaga at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 09:01:13 2000 From: sfpiaga at yahoo.com (Jared Sprague) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:20260] Disk question Message-ID: <20000809140113.13570.qmail@web613.mail.yahoo.com> Hello, My wife is a technical writer and has been working on a Linux CBT contract. I've been helping her as much as I can. However, in the Disk Management chapter neither of us are familiar with what stripped and concatenated volumes are. Could someone define these terms for us and point us to where we could research it further? I can't seem to find anything about it in the Linux books that I have. Thanks alot! - Jared __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Aug 9 09:10:45 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (blutgens@sistina.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20253] Disgust at RH In-Reply-To: <3991533F.19D06719@ltiflex.com>; from andyzb@ltiflex.com on Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 07:49:03AM -0500 References: <39913901.A767E646@mn.uswest.net> <3991533F.19D06719@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <20000809091045.A4145@titanium.sistina.com> On Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 07:49:03AM -0500, Andy Zbikowski wrote: > >> >> Can you do a network install of Debian? >> If so, can I do it from a laptop? >> > >If you like RedHats network install, you'll love Debian's. The current >boot disks default to http to get the base system. From memory, you will >need the root disk, the rescue disk, and all three driver disks for >PCMICA. or you can go to ftp.kando.hu/pub/CD-Images and get the potato netinstall image and burn it to a CD. It's 20 megs and makes a great bootable install set. > >Once you have gotten through those, it will go off and fetch the >base2_2.tgz and unpack it. (Really, it's less painful than creating 13 >or so disks) > That is a real pain. >Now you have enough to run dpkg, dselect, and apt-get. these tools will >get all the software you should need. Good luck. > Actually after it has you reboot the newly installed kernel and modules, it'll begin the ?tecond stage of the install script. There is a series of questions you'll have to answer than you will be driopped into either dselect or tasksel. Experienced users use dselect and search for the app they want and let dselect worry about depends for them. New Debianites may want to use tasksel to get going and dselect once all that install is done to finish up. Personally I like debian's install method, but I think certain portions of it need to be cleaned up. For example, try and install debian on a Sony Vaio Super Slim. They only have a USB floppy and PCMCIA CDROM. And sonce no install kernels support USB, once the initrd is loaded and the BIOS' job is done, you can't read the floppy at all. As for the CDROM, unless the kernel had built-in pcmcia support and the initrd had cardmgr stuff in it, it's useless too. When I get time I am going to build a custom rescue/root disk for the vaios. -- Ben Lutgens Work: 612.379.5941 Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 Systems Administrator Sistina Software Inc. http://www.globalfilesystem.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Wed Aug 9 09:14:56 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:20248] Re: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:20247] Real-time and USWest DSL? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I think what he's saying is that people that order like 1MB/1MB DSL to US-West but are only paying for 256k DSL to Real-Time. If you only order a 256k line and US-West doesn't rate limit you then you aren't cheating real-time deliberately. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, Yaron wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > Meaning, we will catch people who buy a 256K link from Real Time, but get a 1Mb > > link from USWest and try to only pay Real Time for 256K of bandwidth. > > What if it's not my fault that USWEST is letting me use more than I paid > them too for? > > -Yaron > > -- > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From john1536 at tc.umn.edu Wed Aug 9 09:16:17 2000 From: john1536 at tc.umn.edu (Troy A. Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20253] Disgust at RH References: <39913901.A767E646@mn.uswest.net> Message-ID: <399167B1.4EF6CC29@tc.umn.edu> Perry Hoekstra wrote: > > Greet the sun all, > > So far, I am only batting .500 on attempts to install/upgrade RH6.2 on > my various machines. On my database server, the installation croaks > trying to detect my mouse. I ran into this when installing RH6.0, and the quick and dirty solution was to "Alt+F2" (or was it "Alt+F3") to the command prompt (bash, I think) and then "ps auxw | grep mouse" and "kill -9" the "mousecfg" (or something close) process. The install was flawless _after_ this, and the mouse was properly configured when rebooted (for X). No, this wasn't in the installation guide. ;-) I wouldn't discourage you from installing Debian on these boxes, but if Red Hat is required for some reason, I thought this might help. Good luck, Troy -- Troy Johnson mailto:john1536@tc.umn.edu http://umn.edu/~john1536/ "Taking my gun away because I might shoot someone is like cutting my tongue out because I might yell `Fire!' in a crowded theater." -- Peter Venetoklis --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Aug 9 09:35:41 2000 From: chewie at wookimus.net (^chewie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20260] Disk question In-Reply-To: <20000809140113.13570.qmail@web613.mail.yahoo.com>; from Jared Sprague on Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 07:01:13AM -0700 References: <20000809140113.13570.qmail@web613.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20000809093541.A20224@wookimus.net> On Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 07:01:13AM -0700, Jared Sprague wrote: > Hello, > My wife is a technical writer and has been working on > a Linux CBT contract. I've been helping her as much > as I can. However, in the Disk Management chapter > neither of us are familiar with what stripped and > concatenated volumes are. Could someone define these > terms for us and point us to where we could research > it further? I can't seem to find anything about it in > the Linux books that I have. Software-RAID-HOWTO at: http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html -- Chad "^chewie" Walstrom http://wookimus.net/chewie -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On my database server, the installation croaks > > trying to detect my mouse. > > I ran into this when installing RH6.0, and the quick and dirty solution > was to "Alt+F2" (or was it "Alt+F3") to the command prompt (bash, I > think) and then "ps auxw | grep mouse" and "kill -9" the "mousecfg" (or > something close) process. How do you restart the process? When it hits the mouse config portion, it thinks for a moment and then the screen goes black like the entire process goes belly up. > The install was flawless _after_ this, and the > mouse was properly configured when rebooted (for X). No, this wasn't in > the installation guide. ;-) > > I wouldn't discourage you from installing Debian on these boxes, but if > Red Hat is required for some reason, I thought this might help. Good > luck, I would prefer to have RH on the db server box only because that is the distribution Oracle likes. -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services dutchman@mn.uswest.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tim at tneu.visi.com Wed Aug 9 09:35:08 2000 From: tim at tneu.visi.com (tim) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20216] Debian gurus: In-Reply-To: <20000808191332.H10961@wookimus.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, ^chewie wrote: > On Tue, Aug 08, 2000 at 12:59:36PM -0500, tim wrote: > > hostname:/home/tim# apt-get install ssh Reading Package Lists... > > Done Building Dependency Tree... Done E: The package majordomo needs > > to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. > > > > How do I make apt forget about majordomo? I don't need it > > whatsoever. -- > > You can remove a package with apt-get using `apt-get remove > ' if you want apt-get to parse out all the dependencies for > you. tivolidev:/home/tim# dpkg --remove majordomo dpkg: error processing majordomo (--remove): Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting a removal. Errors were encountered while processing: majordomo tivolidev:/home/tim# dpkg --purge majordomo dpkg: error processing majordomo (--purge): Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting a removal. Errors were encountered while processing: majordomo I know how to add and remove packages, my problem is that dpkg/apt/whatever is quite broken. No matter what operation I attempt - even if it is completely unrelated to majordomo, I get the same error. The packaging system is completely fubar'ed by this problem with majordomo. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ______ _ __ "If you don't have the freedom to use what you / ' ) ) own - then you do not own anything." / o ______ / / _ . . No apologies to Jack Valenti or the MPAA / <_/ / / < / (_ <399167B1.4EF6CC29@tc.umn.edu> <39916DBE.832CD13B@mn.uswest.net> Message-ID: <39916FF3.50314904@tc.umn.edu> Perry Hoekstra wrote: > "Troy A. Johnson" wrote: > > Perry Hoekstra wrote: > > > > > > So far, I am only batting .500 on attempts to install/upgrade RH6.2 on > > > my various machines. On my database server, the installation croaks > > > trying to detect my mouse. > > > > I ran into this when installing RH6.0, and the quick and dirty solution > > was to "Alt+F2" (or was it "Alt+F3") to the command prompt (bash, I > > think) and then "ps auxw | grep mouse" and "kill -9" the "mousecfg" (or > > something close) process. > > How do you restart the process? When it hits the mouse config portion, > it thinks for a moment and then the screen goes black like the entire > process goes belly up. If I am not mistaken, the black screen is the mouse config program thinking about how to configure the mouse correctly, and it is stuck. Just "kill -9"-ing it will not allow it to return a "fail" value to the main install program, so the install will go on it's merry way. If I am not mistaken. :-) Troy -- Troy Johnson mailto:john1536@tc.umn.edu http://umn.edu/~john1536/ I wrote a few children's books...not on purpose. -- Stephen Wright --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Aug 9 09:53:42 2000 From: chewie at wookimus.net (^chewie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:07:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20216] Debian gurus: In-Reply-To: ; from tim on Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 09:35:08AM -0500 References: <20000808191332.H10961@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20000809095342.B20224@wookimus.net> On Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 09:35:08AM -0500, tim wrote: > tivolidev:/home/tim# dpkg --remove majordomo > dpkg: error processing majordomo (--remove): > Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should > reinstall it before attempting a removal. > Errors were encountered while processing: > majordomo > tivolidev:/home/tim# dpkg --purge majordomo > dpkg: error processing majordomo (--purge): > Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should > reinstall it before attempting a removal. > Errors were encountered while processing: > majordomo Hehe. Have you ever tried to do what the error message suggests? bash# apt-get install majordomo --reinstall *grin* Then remove it. ;-) Also look into the --force-