> will surely provide. Im all for possibly co-locating a machine > with an ISP if the price is right. What I'd want to know is > what sort of bandwidth they would provide, are they gonna > charge me based on bandwidth or is it unlimited. Somehow I > gotta think that unlimited bandwidth is not gonna be cheap. It's not -- certainly not anywhere I've checked. The choices are universally limited to charges on a bandwidth basis; Some will put you in a bracket with a certain range of "average" and burstable bandwidth, and you will be capped to not exceed that. Others measure your actual usage with a little more resolution, and charge you somehow on a per-gig/month basis. Sometimes it's a combination of the two, from a formula based on some bizarre accounting model. Then there's the actual way of counting usage rates. Most use an MRTG-like method of smoothing by averaging over 5 min periods, and then checking that against some criteria Regardless of bandwidth charges, you're also into the actual colocation charge itself -- space and utility rental. Some of the big data centers will charge you $1000/month to rent a cabinet, and most won't let you take anything smaller than 1/2 cabinet at $500/month. Then the bandwidth charges are added on top of that. Smaller ISPs are certainly cheaper, and may have less rigid pricing schemes. But then you may be back to worrying about one path out, or whether someone's gonna decide to move the rack and not tell you that they cut the power to your box. So, even if it's a small ISP, make sure they have a real colocation facility set up, with established procedures on how they handle its customers. There are a bunch of companies who are selling rackmount systems and colocation packages. Linux Labs is one of these -- not that I recommend them, since I've never used them. It seems like a cheaper option than the standard hosting centers, but since you really do pay on a per-k/s basis, you have to worry about how they're computing it, and you have to know how much you use. > A subnet of 8 IP's and 640Kb runs me $90/month from Qwaste, > is an ISP gonna be that competitive for unmetered usage? Probably not. There are other advantages, but those are not necessarily so clearly defined for small operations. Colocation presumably is situated in a facility that is closely monitored, so that you have reliability. If DSL works for you, even with a reasonable amount of trouble, I have yet to see a compelling argument to change from it. In fact, I have only ISDN, and while I complain a lot about my connection, I'm not ready to lay out all that extra cash. Andy