From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Fri Sep 1 04:02:46 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20872] [OT] GNU tar question References: <39AD8106.5835A0CA@tc.umn.edu> <20000831112744.A13314@baker.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <39AF70B6.FFDA9BB7@tcfreenet.org> > Yeah, those GNU people and their darn info pages. It wouldn't be so bad if the standard info browser wasn't freakin' stupid. Yay pinfo. I think the unix documentation system need to be totally rethought. There's been a lot of advances in typesetting since the 60s. Something in XML, accessible via web browser, yeah... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Fri Sep 1 07:24:28 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20872] [OT] GNU tar question In-Reply-To: <39AF70B6.FFDA9BB7@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: BSD/OS comes with a "Hypertext Man Pages" system in /cgi-bin/bsdi-man by default. I never use it, but it's fully searchable and such. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Fri, 1 Sep 2000, Callum Lerwick wrote: > > Yeah, those GNU people and their darn info pages. > > It wouldn't be so bad if the standard info browser wasn't freakin' > stupid. Yay pinfo. > > I think the unix documentation system need to be totally rethought. > There's been a lot of advances in typesetting since the 60s. Something > in XML, accessible via web browser, yeah... > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cschumann at twp-llc.com Fri Sep 1 07:57:04 2000 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:20932] RE: CD BURNERS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have to concur that Plextor makes good drives. I've had a PlexWriter (original, 2x), a 20x reader, and a 8/2/20 CD/RW. One very good this about Plextor is that should there be a problem, the drives are serviced in the US (California). Some drives have to be shipped overseas (by you or the local office). Since the drives are pretty cheap, you could go buy a new one and sell the repaired one when it returns, but that's a pain. Chris > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew LaBerge [mailto:labmat@earthlink.net] > Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 6:04 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: CD BURNERS > > > I'm looking to get a new burner and would like some > suggestions as to what > brand is the best or most reliable, my old 2x isn't > performing as well as I > would like so it's about time to get a new one. Any help is > appreciated. > > ______________________ > > Matthew LaBerge > labmat@earthlink.net > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Fri Sep 1 08:14:28 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (Gabe Turner (officer)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20910] Ultra66 In-Reply-To: <39AE9D7C.767C657@udlp.com>; from seth_bernsen@udlp.com on Thu, Aug 31, 2000 at 01:01:32PM -0500 References: <39AE9D7C.767C657@udlp.com> Message-ID: <20000901081428.A4404@sorry.cs.umn.edu> You need to use hdparm to tweak your harddisks parameters. Be very careful though. Most importantly, make sure you have a ATA66-compliant IDE cable. I had machine with an ATA66 drive and the cable was only rated for ATA33. I tweaked the drive with hdparm and got a little performance boost, but when I rebooted, the filesystem was toast :) I later discovered the cable problem when I threw FreeBSD on the machine and Free's kernel told me that my cable was non-ATA66 compliant and that it was reverting my drive to ATA33 mode :) FreeBSD rocks. Gabe On Thu, Aug 31, 2000 at 01:01:32PM -0500, Seth I. Bernsen wrote: > Does anybody know, if I install RH6.2 with the latest updates, will I > have support for Ultra66? Currently I'm running one of the newer > unsupported kernels from kernel.org, but I'm having all kinds of problem > with network protocol support. I'd like to go back to a supported > kernel, but I need the Ultra66 support. > > -- > Seth Bernsen > Software Engineer > United Defense > Phone: 612-572-4993 > Fax: 612-572-4858 > http://www.udlp.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "I'm gonna hit ya, and you're gonna fall. And I'm gonna look down, and I'm gonna laugh." - Ren Hoek in "Sven Hoek" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Fri Sep 1 08:24:26 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20910] Ultra66 References: <39AE9D7C.767C657@udlp.com> <20000901081428.A4404@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <00ba01c01417$f3d379e0$dd29680a@tgt.com> FreeBSD Rocks!!! Except for Java :( Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Gabe Turner (officer) To: Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 8:14 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:20910] Ultra66 > You need to use hdparm to tweak your harddisks parameters. Be very careful > though. Most importantly, make sure you have a ATA66-compliant IDE cable. > I had machine with an ATA66 drive and the cable was only rated for ATA33. > I tweaked the drive with hdparm and got a little performance boost, but > when I rebooted, the filesystem was toast :) I later discovered the cable > problem when I threw FreeBSD on the machine and Free's kernel told me that > my cable was non-ATA66 compliant and that it was reverting my drive to > ATA33 mode :) FreeBSD rocks. > > Gabe > > On Thu, Aug 31, 2000 at 01:01:32PM -0500, Seth I. Bernsen wrote: > > Does anybody know, if I install RH6.2 with the latest updates, will I > > have support for Ultra66? Currently I'm running one of the newer > > unsupported kernels from kernel.org, but I'm having all kinds of problem > > with network protocol support. I'd like to go back to a supported > > kernel, but I need the Ultra66 support. > > > > -- > > Seth Bernsen > > Software Engineer > > United Defense > > Phone: 612-572-4993 > > Fax: 612-572-4858 > > http://www.udlp.com > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > Gabe Turner | X-President, > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > "I'm gonna hit ya, and you're gonna fall. > And I'm gonna look down, and I'm gonna laugh." > - Ren Hoek in "Sven Hoek" > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Fri Sep 1 08:30:00 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (Gabe Turner (officer)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20910] Ultra66 In-Reply-To: <00ba01c01417$f3d379e0$dd29680a@tgt.com>; from veldy@veldy.net on Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 08:24:26AM -0500 References: <39AE9D7C.767C657@udlp.com> <20000901081428.A4404@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <00ba01c01417$f3d379e0$dd29680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <20000901083000.C4404@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Yeah, Yeah, but they have to port it themselves! I do any Java progging in Solaris or Linux for now, but will soon be doing it all in OS X.... It has a lickable interface, y'know... :) Gabe On Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 08:24:26AM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > FreeBSD Rocks!!! Except for Java :( > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gabe Turner (officer) > To: > Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 8:14 AM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:20910] Ultra66 > > > > You need to use hdparm to tweak your harddisks parameters. Be very careful > > though. Most importantly, make sure you have a ATA66-compliant IDE cable. > > I had machine with an ATA66 drive and the cable was only rated for ATA33. > > I tweaked the drive with hdparm and got a little performance boost, but > > when I rebooted, the filesystem was toast :) I later discovered the cable > > problem when I threw FreeBSD on the machine and Free's kernel told me that > > my cable was non-ATA66 compliant and that it was reverting my drive to > > ATA33 mode :) FreeBSD rocks. > > > > Gabe > > > > On Thu, Aug 31, 2000 at 01:01:32PM -0500, Seth I. Bernsen wrote: > > > Does anybody know, if I install RH6.2 with the latest updates, will I > > > have support for Ultra66? Currently I'm running one of the newer > > > unsupported kernels from kernel.org, but I'm having all kinds of problem > > > with network protocol support. I'd like to go back to a supported > > > kernel, but I need the Ultra66 support. > > > > > > -- > > > Seth Bernsen > > > Software Engineer > > > United Defense > > > Phone: 612-572-4993 > > > Fax: 612-572-4858 > > > http://www.udlp.com > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > > Gabe Turner | X-President, > > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery > > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota > > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > > > "I'm gonna hit ya, and you're gonna fall. > > And I'm gonna look down, and I'm gonna laugh." > > - Ren Hoek in "Sven Hoek" > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "I'm gonna hit ya, and you're gonna fall. And I'm gonna look down, and I'm gonna laugh." - Ren Hoek in "Sven Hoek" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Fri Sep 1 08:31:32 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20910] Ultra66 In-Reply-To: <00ba01c01417$f3d379e0$dd29680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Fri, 1 Sep 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > FreeBSD Rocks!!! Except for Java :( Maybe if it had a native version of Netscape for any recent version of FreeBSD. And if not so many WindowMaker Dockapps I use were Linux specific (not FreeBSD's fauilt, but still). And if X wasn't SO DAMN SLOW. And if the ports collection wasn't so ARBITRARY. But it does have some cool stuff. -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Fri Sep 1 08:42:11 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20910] Ultra66 References: <39AE9D7C.767C657@udlp.com> <20000901081428.A4404@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <00ba01c01417$f3d379e0$dd29680a@tgt.com> <20000901083000.C4404@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <00d801c0141a$6e1ccba0$dd29680a@tgt.com> Mac - :( Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Gabe Turner (officer) To: Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 8:30 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:20910] Ultra66 > Yeah, Yeah, but they have to port it themselves! I do any Java progging in > Solaris or Linux for now, but will soon be doing it all in OS X.... It has > a lickable interface, y'know... :) > > Gabe > > On Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 08:24:26AM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > FreeBSD Rocks!!! Except for Java :( > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Gabe Turner (officer) > > To: > > Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 8:14 AM > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:20910] Ultra66 > > > > > > > You need to use hdparm to tweak your harddisks parameters. Be very careful > > > though. Most importantly, make sure you have a ATA66-compliant IDE cable. > > > I had machine with an ATA66 drive and the cable was only rated for ATA33. > > > I tweaked the drive with hdparm and got a little performance boost, but > > > when I rebooted, the filesystem was toast :) I later discovered the cable > > > problem when I threw FreeBSD on the machine and Free's kernel told me that > > > my cable was non-ATA66 compliant and that it was reverting my drive to > > > ATA33 mode :) FreeBSD rocks. > > > > > > Gabe > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 31, 2000 at 01:01:32PM -0500, Seth I. Bernsen wrote: > > > > Does anybody know, if I install RH6.2 with the latest updates, will I > > > > have support for Ultra66? Currently I'm running one of the newer > > > > unsupported kernels from kernel.org, but I'm having all kinds of problem > > > > with network protocol support. I'd like to go back to a supported > > > > kernel, but I need the Ultra66 support. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Seth Bernsen > > > > Software Engineer > > > > United Defense > > > > Phone: 612-572-4993 > > > > Fax: 612-572-4858 > > > > http://www.udlp.com > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > -- > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------ > > > Gabe Turner | X-President, > > > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery > > > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota > > > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > > > > > "I'm gonna hit ya, and you're gonna fall. > > > And I'm gonna look down, and I'm gonna laugh." > > > - Ren Hoek in "Sven Hoek" > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------ > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > Gabe Turner | X-President, > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > "I'm gonna hit ya, and you're gonna fall. > And I'm gonna look down, and I'm gonna laugh." > - Ren Hoek in "Sven Hoek" > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Fri Sep 1 08:45:26 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20910] Ultra66 References: Message-ID: <00df01c0141a$e2c79610$dd29680a@tgt.com> The ports collection is fine - and I would like to see it ported to Linux. Netscape works fine as long as you have the compatibility libraries. Quite stable - not too big a deal. X isn't any slower on FreeBSD than on Linux (except for perhaps the 4.0.x enhancements made with DRI). I am surprised that WindowMaker made its extensions "Linux" only. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Yaron To: Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 8:31 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:20910] Ultra66 > Hi, > > On Fri, 1 Sep 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > FreeBSD Rocks!!! Except for Java :( > > Maybe if it had a native version of Netscape for any recent version of > FreeBSD. > > And if not so many WindowMaker Dockapps I use were Linux specific (not > FreeBSD's fauilt, but still). > > And if X wasn't SO DAMN SLOW. > > And if the ports collection wasn't so ARBITRARY. > > But it does have some cool stuff. > > -Yaron > > -- > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Fri Sep 1 08:50:32 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (Gabe Turner (officer)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20910] Ultra66 In-Reply-To: <00d801c0141a$6e1ccba0$dd29680a@tgt.com>; from veldy@veldy.net on Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 08:42:11AM -0500 References: <39AE9D7C.767C657@udlp.com> <20000901081428.A4404@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <00ba01c01417$f3d379e0$dd29680a@tgt.com> <20000901083000.C4404@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <00d801c0141a$6e1ccba0$dd29680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <20000901085032.D4404@sorry.cs.umn.edu> You know not what you say. Gabe On Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 08:42:11AM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > Mac - :( > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gabe Turner (officer) > To: > Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 8:30 AM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:20910] Ultra66 > > > > Yeah, Yeah, but they have to port it themselves! I do any Java progging > in > > Solaris or Linux for now, but will soon be doing it all in OS X.... It has > > a lickable interface, y'know... :) > > > > Gabe > > > > On Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 08:24:26AM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > FreeBSD Rocks!!! Except for Java :( > > > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Gabe Turner (officer) > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 8:14 AM > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:20910] Ultra66 > > > > > > > > > > You need to use hdparm to tweak your harddisks parameters. Be very > careful > > > > though. Most importantly, make sure you have a ATA66-compliant IDE > cable. > > > > I had machine with an ATA66 drive and the cable was only rated for > ATA33. > > > > I tweaked the drive with hdparm and got a little performance boost, > but > > > > when I rebooted, the filesystem was toast :) I later discovered the > cable > > > > problem when I threw FreeBSD on the machine and Free's kernel told me > that > > > > my cable was non-ATA66 compliant and that it was reverting my drive to > > > > ATA33 mode :) FreeBSD rocks. > > > > > > > > Gabe > > > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 31, 2000 at 01:01:32PM -0500, Seth I. Bernsen wrote: > > > > > Does anybody know, if I install RH6.2 with the latest updates, will > I > > > > > have support for Ultra66? Currently I'm running one of the newer > > > > > unsupported kernels from kernel.org, but I'm having all kinds of > problem > > > > > with network protocol support. I'd like to go back to a supported > > > > > kernel, but I need the Ultra66 support. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Seth Bernsen > > > > > Software Engineer > > > > > United Defense > > > > > Phone: 612-572-4993 > > > > > Fax: 612-572-4858 > > > > > http://www.udlp.com > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ------ > > > > Gabe Turner | X-President, > > > > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery > > > > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of > Minnesota > > > > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | > dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > > > > > > > "I'm gonna hit ya, and you're gonna fall. > > > > And I'm gonna look down, and I'm gonna laugh." > > > > - Ren Hoek in "Sven Hoek" > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ------ > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > > Gabe Turner | X-President, > > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery > > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota > > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > > > "I'm gonna hit ya, and you're gonna fall. > > And I'm gonna look down, and I'm gonna laugh." > > - Ren Hoek in "Sven Hoek" > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "I'm gonna hit ya, and you're gonna fall. And I'm gonna look down, and I'm gonna laugh." - Ren Hoek in "Sven Hoek" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Fri Sep 1 08:54:39 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20910] Ultra66 References: <39AE9D7C.767C657@udlp.com> <20000901081428.A4404@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <00ba01c01417$f3d379e0$dd29680a@tgt.com> <20000901083000.C4404@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <00d801c0141a$6e1ccba0$dd29680a@tgt.com> <20000901085032.D4404@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <00f301c0141c$2c519dc0$dd29680a@tgt.com> Yes - I do. To each his own I guess. I am fully aware the OS X will have a BSD derived kernel to run it and for once - they will be 32-bit - phew - that took awhile. I think Apple is in rough shape. There are alot of people out there that believe that they have been over taken by Linux already. If this is true ... well ... Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Gabe Turner (officer) To: Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 8:50 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:20910] Ultra66 > You know not what you say. > > Gabe > > On Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 08:42:11AM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > Mac - :( > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Gabe Turner (officer) > > To: > > Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 8:30 AM > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:20910] Ultra66 > > > > > > > Yeah, Yeah, but they have to port it themselves! I do any Java progging > > in > > > Solaris or Linux for now, but will soon be doing it all in OS X.... It has > > > a lickable interface, y'know... :) > > > > > > Gabe > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 08:24:26AM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > > FreeBSD Rocks!!! Except for Java :( > > > > > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Gabe Turner (officer) > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 8:14 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:20910] Ultra66 > > > > > > > > > > > > > You need to use hdparm to tweak your harddisks parameters. Be very > > careful > > > > > though. Most importantly, make sure you have a ATA66-compliant IDE > > cable. > > > > > I had machine with an ATA66 drive and the cable was only rated for > > ATA33. > > > > > I tweaked the drive with hdparm and got a little performance boost, > > but > > > > > when I rebooted, the filesystem was toast :) I later discovered the > > cable > > > > > problem when I threw FreeBSD on the machine and Free's kernel told me > > that > > > > > my cable was non-ATA66 compliant and that it was reverting my drive to > > > > > ATA33 mode :) FreeBSD rocks. > > > > > > > > > > Gabe > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 31, 2000 at 01:01:32PM -0500, Seth I. Bernsen wrote: > > > > > > Does anybody know, if I install RH6.2 with the latest updates, will > > I > > > > > > have support for Ultra66? Currently I'm running one of the newer > > > > > > unsupported kernels from kernel.org, but I'm having all kinds of > > problem > > > > > > with network protocol support. I'd like to go back to a supported > > > > > > kernel, but I need the Ultra66 support. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Seth Bernsen > > > > > > Software Engineer > > > > > > United Defense > > > > > > Phone: 612-572-4993 > > > > > > Fax: 612-572-4858 > > > > > > http://www.udlp.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ------ > > > > > Gabe Turner | X-President, > > > > > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery > > > > > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of > > Minnesota > > > > > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | > > dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > > > > > > > > > "I'm gonna hit ya, and you're gonna fall. > > > > > And I'm gonna look down, and I'm gonna laugh." > > > > > - Ren Hoek in "Sven Hoek" > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > -- > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------ > > > Gabe Turner | X-President, > > > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery > > > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota > > > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > > > > > "I'm gonna hit ya, and you're gonna fall. > > > And I'm gonna look down, and I'm gonna laugh." > > > - Ren Hoek in "Sven Hoek" > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------ > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > Gabe Turner | X-President, > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > "I'm gonna hit ya, and you're gonna fall. > And I'm gonna look down, and I'm gonna laugh." > - Ren Hoek in "Sven Hoek" > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Fri Sep 1 09:00:14 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:20941] FreeBSD (was: Re: [TCLUG:20910] Ultra66) In-Reply-To: <00df01c0141a$e2c79610$dd29680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Fri, 1 Sep 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > The ports collection is fine - and I would like to see it ported to Linux. Well, my 'examples' are pine4-ssl which actually does not build SSL support (had to build manually). glib/gtk install glib_config and gtk_config with alternate names so anything not in ports can't find them, some libs go in /usr/lib and some go in /usr/X11R6/llib for no reason (glib again). > Netscape works fine as long as you have the compatibility libraries. Quite > stable - not too big a deal. I know, I was just being mean on that one. I've been running the BSDi Netscape and it crashes just as often as the Linux native Netscape crahes on Linux, so... > X isn't any slower on FreeBSD than on Linux (except for perhaps the 4.0.x > enhancements made with DRI). Step into my office and say that. Minimizing/unminimizing windows is a LOT slower. Granted, it's a lot of translucent aterms, but still. Sometimes you can SEE the damn thing draw the window and then print out every line in it. Plus when you hold down a key, it can't display the characters fast enough. This is X4.0.1 with an nvidia. I'm not complaining about the slow OpenGL, I don't care as much about that. Oh, xmms skips when compiling. > I am surprised that WindowMaker made its extensions "Linux" only. It's not WindowMaker, which works fine - it's some individual DockApps. The greatest disadvantage to FreeBSD I see is that there's no TCFBSD (; -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dusk at ravendusk.org Fri Sep 1 09:10:44 2000 From: dusk at ravendusk.org (John R. Sheets) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20872] [OT] GNU tar question In-Reply-To: <39AF70B6.FFDA9BB7@tcfreenet.org>; from lerwick@tcfreenet.org on Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 04:02:46AM -0500 References: <39AD8106.5835A0CA@tc.umn.edu> <20000831112744.A13314@baker.space.umn.edu> <39AF70B6.FFDA9BB7@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <20000901091043.A28655@ravendusk.org> On Friday, September 01, 2000, Callum Lerwick wrote: > > Yeah, those GNU people and their darn info pages. > > It wouldn't be so bad if the standard info browser wasn't freakin' > stupid. Yay pinfo. > > I think the unix documentation system need to be totally rethought. > There's been a lot of advances in typesetting since the 60s. Something > in XML, accessible via web browser, yeah... Well, there is DocBook, which comes in both SGML and XML flavors, and can be converted to a variety of formats, including HTML, PS, PDF, DVI, and probably man and texinfo (not sure about texinfo). Nautilus, the new GNOME file manager/browser will be able to convert DocBook to HTML on the fly, removing the need for a (huge) properly configured SGML environment. John -- dusk@ravendusk.org http://www.gnome.org jsheets@codeweavers.com http://www.worldforge.org http://advogato.org/person/jsheets --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu Fri Sep 1 09:15:22 2000 From: cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu (Charles Clifton Fulton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20885] CD BURNERS In-Reply-To: <39AE81C4.61F4EB42@usfamily.net> Message-ID: I went to the SCSI Trade Association on this a while back 'cause I never did know for sure. They said: The SCSI controller negotiates the protocol with each device and will talk to each in their native speed (assuming the card can go that fast). If devices need to talk to each other they use the slower speed. The only time any one device can change the bus speed is when a Single Ended device is plugged into an LVD bus. Charlie PS I got cheap and bought a Plextor 8x4x32x ATAPI CD-RW and it works wonderfully. I had to use a windoze box to do the firmware upgrade but hey, I was burning CDs in a 486. On Thu, 31 Aug 2000, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > SCSI is like a brain, it will only run as fast as your slowest device. So devices > would slow down within the chain. I have multiple ports on my scsi card so I have my > 68 pin IBM uw harddrive running off of one port and my 50 pin yamaha running off > another so they are not in the same chain. Make sure that if you use a 68 > 50 pin > addapter you set up your devices so that the CD burner is the last in the chain > because it automatically terminates (at least mine does) or other wise you will have > to get the adapter with the terminator on it. > > "Troy A. Johnson" wrote: > > > If the devices was on the same SCSI chain though, wouldn't a slow CD-ROM > > (SCSI-wise, not CDROM-wise) slow down the whole chain? > > > > Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > > > > > > I've heard really good things about Teac CD-Rs and CD-ROMs > > > if you're trying to do weird things (overburn disks, bypass copy > > > protection, copy PSX disks, etc.) > > > > > > As far as the UW thing goes, you should be able to get an > > > 68pin->50pin connector for a Kenwood, and run it right up there > > > with the rest of your UW devices. ;P > > > > > > Nick Reinking > > > > > > dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu, on 08/31/2000 09:42:00 AM > > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF > > > cc: > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:20885] CD BURNERS > > > > > > Yamaha's are very nice, as well. Also, they have support for 512 byte > > > blocks and support for the weird SGI scsi controllers. Allowing you to, > > > for example, make bootable copies of IRIX media on your Indy :) > > > > > > Gabe > > > > > > On Sun, Dec 31, 2000 at 09:26:20AM -0600, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > > > > YAMAHA!!!!! they have an nice large buffer so you will never have buffer > > > underrun > > > > problems when copying those music CDs. > > > > > > > > Jon Schewe wrote: > > > > > > > > > Plextor has always been a good brand. I've got the PlexWriter RW 4/2/20 and > > > > > it works great. When it came time for firware upgrade on it they had a way > > > to > > > > > do it through Linux too. Oh and don't consider anything except SCSI if you > > > > > want to make sure it works in a multi-tasking environment. > > > > > > > > > > "Matthew LaBerge" writes: > > > > > > > > > > > I'm looking to get a new burner and would like some suggestions as to what > > > > > > brand is the best or most reliable, my old 2x isn't performing as well as > > > I > > > > > > would like so it's about time to get a new one. Any help is appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > Matthew LaBerge > > > > > > labmat@earthlink.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe > > > > > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels > > > > > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any > > > > > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all > > > > > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that > > > > > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > -- > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Gabe Turner | X-President, > > > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery > > > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota > > > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > > > > > "I know everything there is to know about monkeys since I have seen > > > every Tarzan movie ever made!" > > > - Ren Hoek in "Monkey See, Monkey Don't" > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > -- > > Troy Johnson mailto:john1536@tc.umn.edu http://umn.edu/~john1536/ > > Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no > > rule making or legislation which would abrogate them. > > -- Miranda vs. Arizona, 384 US 436 p. 491 > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From john1536 at tc.umn.edu Fri Sep 1 09:18:23 2000 From: john1536 at tc.umn.edu (Troy A. Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20885] CD BURNERS References: Message-ID: <39AFBAAF.DD03C76F@tc.umn.edu> Charles Clifton Fulton wrote: > > PS I got cheap and bought a Plextor 8x4x32x ATAPI CD-RW and it works > wonderfully. I had to use a windoze box to do the firmware upgrade but > hey, I was burning CDs in a 486. How much was it and where did you buy it? -- Troy Johnson mailto:john1536@tc.umn.edu http://umn.edu/~john1536/ Sometimes it is said that man cannot be trusted with the government of himself. Can he, then, be trusted with the government of others? -- Thomas Jefferson, in his 1801 inaugural address --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From natecars at real-time.com Fri Sep 1 11:15:44 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20885] CD BURNERS In-Reply-To: <39AFBAAF.DD03C76F@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Sep 2000, Troy A. Johnson wrote: > How much was it and where did you buy it? They are around $200; we just picked one up for Gladiator. (The new distro server for Real Time that we still need a Slackware maintainer for..) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Fri Sep 1 13:16:58 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:20946] Distro maintainers In-Reply-To: <39ADF6C8.DEAF7ADA@tcfreenet.org>; from lerwick@tcfreenet.org on Thu, Aug 31, 2000 at 01:10:16AM -0500 References: <20000831005305.B27229@real-time.com> <39ADF6C8.DEAF7ADA@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <20000901131658.A20330@real-time.com> Just wanted to post and say thanks to all the people who have volunteered to be distro maintainer. I'd like to keep the offer open until the middle of next week, just in case there are a couple lurkers out there thinking about volunteering. I'll be setting up some mailing lists for each distro and I'll automatically subscribe each person who expressed interest. Then the mailing list can be used to communicate between each volunteer. Right now we are waiting for the drives for the box. They are on back order. Thanks everyone. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Fri Sep 1 14:32:08 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:20947] dnstran NOT translating IPs? Message-ID: <20000901143208.I20330@real-time.com> Anyone using dnstran to change IPs into domain names for stats for your web site(s)? Ever have it NOT translate IP addresses? One 1 box (box1), same log file I get this: Translated 0 IPs, 17759 unknown, 17756 lines in 0:01! Same log file, different box (box2), same segment, I get this: Translated 11838 IPs, 5921 unknown, 17756 lines in 0:00! I contacted the author, he said it is a problem with the dns server on box1, well box1 is not a dns server, box2 is the dns server and it works fine there. I am sure dns is setup correctly on box1, I can nslookup forward and reverse. I can traceroute via ip and hostname. Any ideas? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blayer at uswest.net Fri Sep 1 15:13:16 2000 From: blayer at uswest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:20948] BTC-5100 Keyboard wanted (OT) In-Reply-To: <20000901143208.I20330@real-time.com> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000901150722.00a45620@pop.mpls.uswest.net> A quick and slightly OT request... I'm looking for a BTC-5100 mini keyboard or two. This is a little 12" wide 80-key keyboard that is frequently used in *nix server applications. If you have one or two available, please mail me with details. Thanks, Bill. Bill Layer blayer@uswest.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From labmat at earthlink.net Fri Sep 1 23:29:52 2000 From: labmat at earthlink.net (Matthew LaBerge) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:20948] BTC-5100 Keyboard wanted (OT) In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20000901150722.00a45620@pop.mpls.uswest.net> Message-ID: I don't know if you've ever heard of the happy hacking keyboard, it's probably pretty similar to what your looking for. One can be had here. http://www.pfuca.com/products/hhkb/hhkbindex.html ______________________ Matthew LaBerge labmat@earthlink.net -----Original Message----- From: Bill Layer [mailto:blayer@uswest.net] Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 3:13 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG:20948] BTC-5100 Keyboard wanted (OT) A quick and slightly OT request... I'm looking for a BTC-5100 mini keyboard or two. This is a little 12" wide 80-key keyboard that is frequently used in *nix server applications. If you have one or two available, please mail me with details. Thanks, Bill. Bill Layer blayer@uswest.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu Fri Sep 1 23:37:30 2000 From: lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu (Ben Luey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:20950] pan is a piece of s... Message-ID: I was using pan-0.80 (stable release or gnome' s newsreader) and when receiving new headers from a newsgroup it took away all my memory (32meg ram +64 swap) and made the hard drive trash. After 10 minutes of trying to get to a terminal to kill it with no luck (contorl-alt-delete, backspace, an open eterm), I finally had to use teh reset button. I've never had to do that before with linux --ARRRR. When StarOffice did this, I could at least kill it. Ben --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Sat Sep 2 07:51:19 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20950] pan is a piece of s... In-Reply-To: ; from lueyb@gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu on Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 11:37:30PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20000902075119.A19506@real-time.com> > I was using pan-0.80 (stable release or gnome' s newsreader) and when > receiving new headers from a newsgroup it took away all my memory (32meg > ram +64 swap) and made the hard drive trash. After 10 minutes of trying to > get to a terminal to kill it with no luck (contorl-alt-delete, backspace, > an open eterm), I finally had to use teh reset button. I've never had to > do that before with linux --ARRRR. When StarOffice did this, I could at > least kill it. IMHO, pan is still beta-grade software; and there were known runaway-memory issues with v0.80 (I was on the mailing list at the time). try upgrading to the latest (probably beta) package (.deb or RPM) from their web page (www.superpimp.org), and see if that makes a difference. speaking of Out Of Memory conditions; I had one the other day, where I needed to one-finger the box. I suspect that a combination of long-running netscape, xfishtank, and vmware were to blame; but can't be really sure. I now have a spare 1GB SCSI drive as an additional swap space, so we'll see if it happens again. ;) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From gone2pot at ispchannel.com Sat Sep 2 20:27:32 2000 From: gone2pot at ispchannel.com (Ken) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:20952] Zip Drive Message-ID: <39B1A903.57E6BC15@ispchannel.com> Andy, Thanks for your help. I did an insmod parport, then insmod ppa, which finally made the zip drive (it's a parallel port Zip 100) make noise. Mounting was the frustrating deal because sda4 just wouldn't work. I finally dorked around with sda numbers and got sda1 to work for some reason and the drive mounted just fine. The theme music to Rocky played loudly in my brain as I began to read the files and list the files on the zip drive. I started screaming "ADRIANNE!!!" Thanks again. Ken Russell The Russell Pottery --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From gswan at .visi.com Fri Sep 1 21:53:12 2000 From: gswan at .visi.com (George Swan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:20953] Re: [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE:88] Newest TCLUG Memeber: Carter Clayton, born 8/29/2000 In-Reply-To: <39AF12D5.861A1EEC@maddog.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20000901214937.00b14ef0@pop.visi.com> Okay, so you your wife and you have 20 lb. penguin named Carter. Big deal. What I want to know is who's that funny looking little shrivled up old man to the right? :-) gs At 09:22 PM 8/31/00 -0500, you wrote: >Please welcome the newest member of the TCLUG. > >http://www.fandre.com/carter/newest_tclug_member.html > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-announce-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-announce-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tobytoo at black-hole.com Sat Sep 2 21:38:59 2000 From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (Brian T) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:20954] CD Player Message-ID: <39B1B9C3.AC7FACFA@black-hole.com> OK this is a newbie question. I can't get my CD Player to work with Caldera V 2.4. The cdrom works just fine but when I try to run CD Pklayer I get " EJECTED". /etc/fstab devpts /dev/pts devpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0 /proc /proc proc defaults 0 0 /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom iso9660 ro,user,auto,exec 0 0 /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy auto defaults,user,noauto 0 0 /dev/hdb1 / ext2 defaults 1 1 /dev/hdb2 swap swap defaults 0 0 /dev/hdb3 /usr ext2 defaults 1 3 /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1 vfat ro 0 0 Is there anything in /etc/fstab that I will need to change to get the CD Player to recognize the cdrom? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at usinternet.com Sat Sep 2 22:57:43 2000 From: blutgens at usinternet.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20954] CD Player In-Reply-To: <39B1B9C3.AC7FACFA@black-hole.com>; from tobytoo@black-hole.com on Sat, Sep 02, 2000 at 09:38:59PM -0500 References: <39B1B9C3.AC7FACFA@black-hole.com> Message-ID: <20000902225743.A3510@ares.usinternet.com> On Sat, Sep 02, 2000 at 09:38:59PM -0500, Brian T wrote: >OK this is a newbie question. I can't get my CD Player to work with >Caldera V 2.4. The cdrom works just fine but when I try to run CD >Pklayer I get " EJECTED". > No the fstab don't affect it. check the permissions on you cdrom device file. ls -l /dev/cdrom make sure you can read it. Mine looks like brw-rw-rw- 1 root cdrom 11, 0 May 24 07:31 /dev/scd0 and there is a link from that to /dev/cdrom. read the manpage for chmod for more help HTH -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From trammell at nitz.hep.umn.edu Sun Sep 3 02:35:51 2000 From: trammell at nitz.hep.umn.edu (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20952] Zip Drive Message-ID: <200009030735.CAA00893@nitz.hep.umn.edu> Ken wrote: > I did an insmod parport, then insmod ppa, which > finally made the zip drive (it's a parallel port Zip 100) make noise. Uh, it wasn't a clicking noise, was it? :-) J --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tobytoo at black-hole.com Sun Sep 3 09:12:13 2000 From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (Brian T) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20954] CD Player References: <39B1B9C3.AC7FACFA@black-hole.com> <20000902225743.A3510@ares.usinternet.com> Message-ID: <39B25C3D.20B3060D@black-hole.com> Ben Lutgens wrote: My permissions are lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 Aug 27 15:40 /dev/cdrom -> /dev/hdd everything looks okor should I try dropping the x. > No the fstab don't affect it. check the permissions on you cdrom device file. > ls -l /dev/cdrom > make sure you can read it. Mine looks like > brw-rw-rw- 1 root cdrom 11, 0 May 24 07:31 /dev/scd0 > and there is a link from that to /dev/cdrom. > > read the manpage for chmod for more help > > HTH > > -- > Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 > > Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at usinternet.com Sun Sep 3 10:23:00 2000 From: blutgens at usinternet.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20954] CD Player In-Reply-To: <39B25C3D.20B3060D@black-hole.com>; from tobytoo@black-hole.com on Sun, Sep 03, 2000 at 09:12:13AM -0500 References: <39B1B9C3.AC7FACFA@black-hole.com> <20000902225743.A3510@ares.usinternet.com> <39B25C3D.20B3060D@black-hole.com> Message-ID: <20000903102300.A6086@ares.usinternet.com> On Sun, Sep 03, 2000 at 09:12:13AM -0500, Brian T wrote: >Ben Lutgens wrote: >My permissions are >lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 Aug 27 15:40 /dev/cdrom -> >/dev/hdd >everything looks okor should I try dropping the x. No that is a symlink. don't try changing the perms on that. You need to check the perms on the thing the link is pointing to. In this case /dev/hdd. > > >> No the fstab don't affect it. check the permissions on you cdrom device file. >> ls -l /dev/cdrom >> make sure you can read it. Mine looks like >> brw-rw-rw- 1 root cdrom 11, 0 May 24 07:31 /dev/scd0 >> and there is a link from that to /dev/cdrom. >> >> read the manpage for chmod for more help >> >> HTH >> >> -- >> Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 >> >> Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tobytoo at black-hole.com Sun Sep 3 12:34:54 2000 From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (Brian T) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20954] CD Player References: <39B1B9C3.AC7FACFA@black-hole.com> <20000902225743.A3510@ares.usinternet.com> <39B25C3D.20B3060D@black-hole.com> <20000903102300.A6086@ares.usinternet.com> Message-ID: <39B28BBE.8CD7E49B@black-hole.com> I've looked at /dev/hdd permission brwxr-xr-x 1 brian root 22, 64 feb 17 2000 /dev/hdd still can't get the cd player to recognize it. Ben Lutgens wrote: > > On Sun, Sep 03, 2000 at 09:12:13AM -0500, Brian T wrote: > >Ben Lutgens wrote: > >My permissions are > >lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 Aug 27 15:40 /dev/cdrom -> > >/dev/hdd > >everything looks okor should I try dropping the x. > > No that is a symlink. don't try changing the perms on that. You need to check > the perms on the thing the link is pointing to. In this case /dev/hdd. > > > > > > >> No the fstab don't affect it. check the permissions on you cdrom device file. > >> ls -l /dev/cdrom > >> make sure you can read it. Mine looks like > >> brw-rw-rw- 1 root cdrom 11, 0 May 24 07:31 /dev/scd0 > >> and there is a link from that to /dev/cdrom. > >> > >> read the manpage for chmod for more help > >> > >> HTH > >> > >> -- > >> Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 > >> > >> Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup > >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > -- > Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 > > Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at usinternet.com Sun Sep 3 14:33:21 2000 From: blutgens at usinternet.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20954] CD Player In-Reply-To: <39B28BBE.8CD7E49B@black-hole.com>; from tobytoo@black-hole.com on Sun, Sep 03, 2000 at 12:34:54PM -0500 References: <39B1B9C3.AC7FACFA@black-hole.com> <20000902225743.A3510@ares.usinternet.com> <39B25C3D.20B3060D@black-hole.com> <20000903102300.A6086@ares.usinternet.com> <39B28BBE.8CD7E49B@black-hole.com> Message-ID: <20000903143320.A7353@ares.usinternet.com> On Sun, Sep 03, 2000 at 12:34:54PM -0500, Brian T wrote: >I've looked at /dev/hdd permission > >brwxr-xr-x 1 brian root 22, 64 feb 17 2000 /dev/hdd > >still can't get the cd player to recognize it. > try another cd player. There are some console ones that should do it. Can you mount a data CD and read it? Also xmms works quite well as a cd player. -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tobytoo at black-hole.com Sun Sep 3 14:06:05 2000 From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (Brian T) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20954] CD Player References: <39B1B9C3.AC7FACFA@black-hole.com> <20000902225743.A3510@ares.usinternet.com> <39B25C3D.20B3060D@black-hole.com> <20000903102300.A6086@ares.usinternet.com> <39B28BBE.8CD7E49B@black-hole.com> <20000903143320.A7353@ares.usinternet.com> Message-ID: <39B2A11D.1B060087@black-hole.com> It reads data cds just fine. xmms? I'll try to find it, thanks Ben Lutgens wrote: > > On Sun, Sep 03, 2000 at 12:34:54PM -0500, Brian T wrote: > >I've looked at /dev/hdd permission > > > >brwxr-xr-x 1 brian root 22, 64 feb 17 2000 /dev/hdd > > > >still can't get the cd player to recognize it. > > > try another cd player. There are some console ones that should do it. Can you > mount a data CD and read it? > Also xmms works quite well as a cd player. > > -- > Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 > > Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at usinternet.com Sun Sep 3 15:59:30 2000 From: blutgens at usinternet.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20954] CD Player In-Reply-To: <39B2A11D.1B060087@black-hole.com>; from tobytoo@black-hole.com on Sun, Sep 03, 2000 at 02:06:05PM -0500 References: <39B1B9C3.AC7FACFA@black-hole.com> <20000902225743.A3510@ares.usinternet.com> <39B25C3D.20B3060D@black-hole.com> <20000903102300.A6086@ares.usinternet.com> <39B28BBE.8CD7E49B@black-hole.com> <20000903143320.A7353@ares.usinternet.com> <39B2A11D.1B060087@black-hole.com> Message-ID: <20000903155930.A7632@ares.usinternet.com> On Sun, Sep 03, 2000 at 02:06:05PM -0500, Brian T wrote: >It reads data cds just fine. >xmms? I'll try to find it, thanks > Try to find it? Sheesh you are a newbie! hehe. most dists supply the binaries or you can get them from http://www.xmms.org/ -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From sflg6m at scfn.thpl.lib.fl.us Sun Sep 3 19:02:58 2000 From: sflg6m at scfn.thpl.lib.fl.us (Donald Patzsch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20954] CD Player In-Reply-To: <20000903155930.A7632@ares.usinternet.com> Message-ID: Have you guys been to- http://cgi.zdnet.com/slink?51681:1424214 Try it. Don Patzsch Brandon, FL newbie --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cschumann at twp-llc.com Sun Sep 3 21:24:57 2000 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:20885] CD BURNERS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: For example, Compuplus has these prices: Plextor 8/4/32 ATAPI $195 Plextor 12/10/32 ATAPI $258 (CD-RW at 10x!) Plextor 8/2/20 SCSI (like mine) $324 Plextor 12/4/32 SCSI $407 > On Fri, 1 Sep 2000, Troy A. Johnson wrote: > > How much was it and where did you buy it? > > They are around $200; we just picked one up for Gladiator. > (The new distro > server for Real Time that we still need a Slackware maintainer for..) > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Sun Sep 3 22:04:52 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20885] CD BURNERS References: Message-ID: <000801c0161c$e577c160$0100a8c0@veldy.net> Keep in mind that if you buy a 10x burner, you need to find 10x compatible media. Most media is only 8x compatible. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Schumann" To: "Nate Carlson" ; Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 9:24 PM Subject: RE: [TCLUG:20885] CD BURNERS > For example, Compuplus has these prices: > > Plextor 8/4/32 ATAPI $195 > Plextor 12/10/32 ATAPI $258 (CD-RW at 10x!) > Plextor 8/2/20 SCSI (like mine) $324 > Plextor 12/4/32 SCSI $407 > > > On Fri, 1 Sep 2000, Troy A. Johnson wrote: > > > How much was it and where did you buy it? > > > > They are around $200; we just picked one up for Gladiator. > > (The new distro > > server for Real Time that we still need a Slackware maintainer for..) > > > > -- > > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From rgoldber at d.umn.edu Mon Sep 4 09:32:54 2000 From: rgoldber at d.umn.edu (rgoldber@d.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:20885] CD BURNERS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 3 Sep 2000, Chris Schumann wrote: > >Plextor 8/4/32 ATAPI $195 >Plextor 12/10/32 ATAPI $258 (CD-RW at 10x!) >Plextor 8/2/20 SCSI (like mine) $324 >Plextor 12/4/32 SCSI $407 > Just in case anybody else is cheap and gets the atapi 8/4/32, you have to be sure you don't include "Enable DMA if available" when making kernels. If you do include it, you won't be able to mount your drive. Not knowing this caused me a great deal of grief for a couple of days, so I thought I'd drop a note. OTher than that, I'm pretty happy with my cheap, fast, plextor. - Ryan --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From subb3 at attglobal.net Mon Sep 4 13:01:04 2000 From: subb3 at attglobal.net (Subba Rao) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:20967] Sound Alerts Message-ID: <20000904180104.A28937@attglobal.net> One of our key systems has been configured to create a sound for an alert on the system. We have setup several alerts on this system. The sound driver used on this system is from OSS. Now, what happens when multiple alerts are set off at the same time? Do the alerts get queued to the driver? When I tested with 2 simulataneous alerts, I got the following message on the console, sox: Unable to set audio speed to 8000 (set to 5512) Now, when I tried to set off 3 alerts at the sametime, I get the following message, sox: Can't open output file '/dev/dsp': Device or resource busy Has anyone tried to setup this type of alert system? If you succeeded, please let me know how you did it. I do wish to be notified for each alert on this system. I would like our busy sys admins, know what is happening on this system while they are working on neighbouring systems. Thank you in advance for any ideas. -- Subba Rao subb3@attglobal.net http://pws.prserv.net/truemax/ => Time is relative. Here is a new way to look at time. <= http://www.smcinnovations.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tobytoo at black-hole.com Mon Sep 4 19:16:55 2000 From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (Brian T) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20954] CD Player References: <39B1B9C3.AC7FACFA@black-hole.com> <20000902225743.A3510@ares.usinternet.com> <39B25C3D.20B3060D@black-hole.com> <20000903102300.A6086@ares.usinternet.com> <39B28BBE.8CD7E49B@black-hole.com> <20000903143320.A7353@ares.usinternet.com> <39B2A11D.1B060087@black-hole.com> <20000903155930.A7632@ares.usinternet.com> Message-ID: <39B43B77.1FD1EFAC@black-hole.com> OK I have xmms, it opens but I can't get it to recognize the audio cd. It'a an older version 1.0.0 What version is closest to Caldera, I can find RH, Debian, Slackware and Solaris versions of XMMS, --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mike at getbent.net Mon Sep 4 21:32:42 2000 From: mike at getbent.net (Mike Nielsen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:20969] -- MARK -- Message-ID: <00090421264400.13192@Dingo> Hey all. I can't help but notice in my /var/log/messages file I get an entry that reads -- MARK -- evey 20 minutes on the nose. I'm running Slackware 7.0. And get this on a 2.2.x kernel or a 2.4 Any idea what that means? -- ----------------------------- |\/|ike@GetBent.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tsandqui at yahoo.com Mon Sep 4 21:54:49 2000 From: tsandqui at yahoo.com (Tim Sandquist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20969] -- MARK -- In-Reply-To: <00090421264400.13192@Dingo>; from mike@getbent.net on Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 09:32:42PM -0500 References: <00090421264400.13192@Dingo> Message-ID: <20000904215449.A16700@yahoo.com> man syslogd -m interval The syslogd logs a mark timestamp regularly. The default interval between two -- MARK -- lines is 20 minutes. This can be changed with this option. Setting the interval to zero turns it off entirely. Tim On Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 09:32:42PM -0500, Mike Nielsen wrote: > Hey all. I can't help but notice in my /var/log/messages file > I get an entry that reads -- MARK -- evey 20 minutes on the nose. > > I'm running Slackware 7.0. And get this on a 2.2.x kernel or a 2.4 > > Any idea what that means? > > -- > > > ----------------------------- > |\/|ike@GetBent.net > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Mon Sep 4 21:59:28 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20969] -- MARK -- In-Reply-To: <00090421264400.13192@Dingo> Message-ID: That's syslogd putting a placeholder in the logfile so you know it's still running. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Mon, 4 Sep 2000, Mike Nielsen wrote: > Hey all. I can't help but notice in my /var/log/messages file > I get an entry that reads -- MARK -- evey 20 minutes on the nose. > > I'm running Slackware 7.0. And get this on a 2.2.x kernel or a 2.4 > > Any idea what that means? > > -- > > > ----------------------------- > |\/|ike@GetBent.net > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Mon Sep 4 23:14:56 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20885] CD BURNERS References: Message-ID: <39B47340.D839D680@tcfreenet.org> > Just in case anybody else is cheap and gets the atapi 8/4/32, you have to > be sure you don't include "Enable DMA if available" when making > kernels. If you do include it, you won't be able to mount your drive. > > Not knowing this caused me a great deal of grief for a couple of days, so I > thought I'd drop a note. OTher than that, I'm pretty happy with my cheap, > fast, plextor. What kernel version? I've hand no end of trouble with IDE-SCSI in 2.2.16. It fails randomly and the drive goes of into lala land spewing tons of SCSI errors. Only a reboot (Or yanking the power on the drive. Heh) will stop it. 2.2.15 has no problem. Apparently 2.2.17 is out. I'll have to try it... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Mon Sep 4 23:58:27 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20969] -- MARK -- In-Reply-To: Message-ID: which is a new thing anyway.. i used to just trust syslog to stay running.. *sigh* welcome linux to the NT style of doing things. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Mon, 4 Sep 2000, Adam Maloney wrote: > That's syslogd putting a placeholder in the logfile so you know it's still > running. > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > On Mon, 4 Sep 2000, Mike Nielsen wrote: > > > Hey all. I can't help but notice in my /var/log/messages file > > I get an entry that reads -- MARK -- evey 20 minutes on the nose. > > > > I'm running Slackware 7.0. And get this on a 2.2.x kernel or a 2.4 > > > > Any idea what that means? > > > > -- > > > > > > ----------------------------- > > |\/|ike@GetBent.net > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Tue Sep 5 00:18:45 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20969] -- MARK -- References: Message-ID: <39B48235.F7C3BC61@tcfreenet.org> Ben Kochie wrote: > > which is a new thing anyway.. i used to just trust syslog to stay > running.. *sigh* welcome linux to the NT style of doing things. Well I like it because it gives you an idea of when events happened. And if this even is new. Personally I spew everything to console but prevent logging marks to disk. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From rgoldber at d.umn.edu Tue Sep 5 00:47:18 2000 From: rgoldber at d.umn.edu (rgoldber@d.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20885] CD BURNERS In-Reply-To: <39B47340.D839D680@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 4 Sep 2000, Callum Lerwick wrote: >> be sure you don't include "Enable DMA if available" when making >> kernels. If you do include it, you won't be able to mount your drive. >> >What kernel version? I've hand no end of trouble with IDE-SCSI in >2.2.16. It fails randomly and the drive goes of into lala land spewing >tons of SCSI errors. Only a reboot (Or yanking the power on the drive. I had this issue with 2.2.15 and 16 (didn't own a burner before then). My errors were of the "scsi wants to send too much data" variety. I could burn cds all day long, but could not mount the burner (under scsi emulation, I could using regular ide/atapi). Apparently this same problem plagues those owning certain hp ide cdrs. Disabling dma fixed it. I found the discussion in the May 2000 kernel list archives. What sort of burner do you have? What sort of errors do you get? I'd happily share what I've done to make mine work - Ryan --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Tue Sep 5 01:03:20 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20885] CD BURNERS References: Message-ID: <39B48CA8.319049D6@tcfreenet.org> > What sort of burner do you have? What sort of errors do you get? I'd > happily share what I've done to make mine work Philips PCA460RW. It just spews something about Read error, Retryable error after a while when reading in a disk with cdrdao. Long CD burns fail in a similar manner on occasion. It doesn't seem to be the same problem... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Tue Sep 5 01:16:05 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:20977] Kernel ChangeLog Message-ID: <20000905011605.A30716@real-time.com> Where does the kernel's ChangeLog live? I want to know what was fixed/changed from 2.2.16 to 2.2.17. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andy at theasis.com Tue Sep 5 03:46:31 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:20977] Kernel ChangeLog Message-ID: > Where does the kernel's ChangeLog live? > > I want to know what was fixed/changed from 2.2.16 to 2.2.17. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 ----- Forwarded message from Alan Cox ----- Subject: Linux 2.2.17 To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 19:53:14 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL1] From: Alan Cox Ok Linux 2.2.17 official is now out. This is the same as 2.2.17pre20 without the -pre20 id string This is the version waiting Linus. Its in the queue for holy penguin pee so either it will get peed on or I will get abuse from Linus depending whether he likes it or not 8) In the mean time I'm taking a break rescuing a rather buggy but otherwise neat user space app. I'll start 2.2.18 in a couple of weeks. James Cloos is making diffs between 2.2.17pre versions are available at 2.2.17pre20 o Fix EIP/ESP printk thinko (Willy Tarreau) o Final small DAC960 adjustments for 2.2.17 (Leonard Zubkoff) o Improve AARP handling (Alistair Riddell) o Fix bug in the appletalk code (Marcelo Tosatti) o Last minute fix to the CS4281 (Tom Woller) o Mention CS4280 and use __initdata for data (me) o Turn on the EAPD bit on the AD1885 (me) o Don't honour the status bit for audio on a (Marcus Sundberg) 440MX - it appears it doesnt work o Fix high cpu usage on i810 audio (Marcus Sundberg) o Apply the same fix to the cs46xx (Bill Nottingham) o Change the power/CD algorithm on the 46xx (me) 2.2.17pre19 o Add Marcelo Tosatti to the credits (Marcelo Tosatti) o Fix a couple of kfree and follow the pointer bugs in the i810 audio driver (Bob Frey) o Vger is now vger.kernel.org everywhere (Daniel Roesen) o Further 3c59x fixups (Andrew Morton) o Disable record on cs46xx for this release (me) 2.2.17pre18 o Fix a race in the NFS code (Andi Kleen) o Fix a pair of arcnet resource leaks on error (Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo) o Fix PPC601 booting, bitops bug and oddments (Paul Mackerras) o Fix resource leaks on error in several drivers (Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo) o Add SCR-2430 to cdroms we limit xfer sizes on (Ron) o Fix a small error in the vfb driver (Geert Uytterhoeven) o Fix further bonding driver bug (John Newbigin) o Irda should compile again o Fix irda parameter parser (Russell King) o Hold the external amp on the Voyetra card active while CD is an input (me) o HDLC driver fixes (Krzysztof Halasa) o Ksyms for external stuck task tracker module (Andi Kleen) o Fix spurious setting of err in sockets (Dave Miller) o Fix net_bh race from skb_dequeue (??) o Fix cs46xx record bug (me) o Fix ac97 init wait error (doh..) (me) 2.2.17pre17 o Added midi/dmfm support for the ALi sound (me) | from code by Ching Ling Lee | blame me if it doesnt work o CS4281 experimental sound driver (GW Boynton, Tom Woller) | cleaned up and maybe broken by yours truely o Fix bonding crash (John Newbigin) o Fix find_next_zero bit on Alpha (Jay Estabrook) o Fix find_next_zero_bit on Sparc (Dave Miller) o Qlogicfc fixes (Chris Loveland) o Fix bttv norm setting in old driver (Daniel Perez) o Start ESS solo with mic turned down to avoid (me) feedback. 2.2.17pre16 o Thinkpad hacks and external amp support for (Bill Nottingham, me CS46xx, also fix mono David Kaiser) o Actually fix i810 audio hangs and other stuff (me) o Dave Jones addr change (Dave Jones) o Fix long standing vm hang bug (Marcelo Tosatti) o Fix irda memory leak (Pontus Fuchs) o Minor further PPC fixes (Paul Mackerras) o Fix PCI id ordering (Paul Mackerras) o 3Ware corrected update (Adam Radford Joel Jacobson) o Fix stale documentation in proc.txt (Paonia Ezrine) o Fix the TCP/vm bug nicely (Andi Kleen) o Add 3c556 support to the 3c59x driver (Andrew Morton) o Switch eepro100 to I/O mode pending investigation (Andrey Savochkin) o Fix 'Donald Duck impressions' in ES1879 audio (Bruce Forsberg) o CODA fs fixes for 2.2.17pre (Jan Harkes) o RIO serial driver update (Patrick van de Lageweg) o Minimal version of the at1700 fix (Brian S. Julin) [From Hiroaki Nagoya's original stuff] o Typo fix in sysctl vm docs (Dave Jones) o DAC960 update to rev 2.2.7 (Leonard Zubkoff) 2.2.17pre15 o Pull the 3ware update - causes oopses ? (me) o Fix emu10k build error with no PCI (Arjan van de Ven) o display7 LED driver (Eric Brower) o TLB multi-match bugs in sparc64 (Dave Miller) o Fix CPP string concatenation in sparc ksyms (Dave Miller) o Fix lost copyright credit to ALi in the trident.c driver (me) o Add alternate ALi ID to the trident driver (me) o ATI video fixes for PPC (Benjamin Herrenschmidt) o Further HDLC fixes (Krzysztof Halasa) o Fix sign handling bugs (Andrew Morton, me) o Fix wrong comment in fs/exec.c (Robert Love) 2.2.17pre14 o Hopefully fix esd and other i810 audio hangs (me) o Further fixes for the Alpha tree (Jay Estabrook) o Further bond cleanup/init fix (Daniel Roesen) o Fix initio redefine warnings (Arjan van de Ven) o Fix warnings due to printk types (Arjan van de Ven) o Fix warnings due to missing prototypes (Arjan van de Ven) o Fix i2o warnings, code cleanup (Arjan van de Ven, me) o Fix warnings from missed includes (Arjan van de Ven) o Fix ip2serial config ioctl bug (Arjan van de Ven) o Update ipmasqadm tool locations (Rob Hudson) o Fix yamaha build problems (me) o Change varesearch -> valinux in the kernel (H J Lu) o Add /lib/modules/foo/build link as per l/k (Ted Ts'o) o Bring the SX rio and generic_serial in line (Patrick) with 2.4.test o 3ware controller fixes/updates (Adam Radford Joel Jacobson) o Fix appletalk kmalloc warnings (Benjamin Herrenschmidt) o Fix imm/ppa handling with PCI ports (Gunther Mayer) o Fix 16bit handling bug in NCPfs (Petr Vandrovec) o Fix isofs offset by one error (Mikael Pettersson) o Add byte counters to ewrk3 (Nathan Hand) o SMBFS clean ups, fix OS/2 rename (Urban Widmark) o HDLC driver bug backout (Krzysztof Halasa) o Powermac pmu and gmac fixes (Paul Mackerras) o Fix i2o block scan for multi drives (Boji Kannanthanam) o Fix frag handling oddity on ipchains (Jan Echternach) o Fix emu10k as non module (Mikael Pettersson) o Scsi command raw requires RAWIO cap (Oliver Xymoron) o IDE command raw or hwif add requires RAWIO (various) o Fix isofs 2048 byte alignment bug (Go Taniguchi) o Fix most remaining UMSDOS flaws (Matija Nalis) 2.2.17pre13 o Fix compile errors on userhelper (Several people) o Small Alpha update/fixes (Jay Estabrook) o Add bootup documentation (H Peter Anvin) o S/390 partial merge of updates (Martin Schwidefsky) o Bonding driver fixes (Andreas Steinmetz) o Geert changed address (Geert Uytterhoeven) 2.2.17pre12 o Fix PC300 X.21 support (Ivan Passos) o Smart2 driver minor fixes, one new card id (Charles White) o Fix PS/2 reconnect lockup on SMP (David Nelson) o Fix duplicate PCI ids (Tim Waugh) o Fix 100Mbit fdx on DEC45x driver (Phil Ezolt, Bill Carr) o Cyclades serial fixes (Ivan Passos) o Additional scsi blacklist entries (Matt Domsch) o Allow ppp deflate to be compiled in (Paul Gortmaker) o Fix i2o block multidrive bug I added in pre10 (Boji Kannanthanam) o Hopefully fix the scsi error handler/initrd bug (me) o Small sparc power handling bugfix (Dave Miller) o Directory testing fix if CAP_DAC_READ_SEARCH (Wojciech Purczynski) o Export exec_usermodehelper, clean up baycom (Thomas Sailer) 2.2.17pre11 o Tlan driver update (Torben Mathiasen) o Ext2 error message typo (Andreas Dilger) o Updated Yamaha PCI audio driver (Daisuke Nagano) o Small PPP oops fixes (Paul Fulghum) o SMBFS compile fix (Urban Widmark) o Small cisco hdlc/lmi fixes (Krzysztof Halasa) o Fix hdlc mode switch (Ivan Passos) o Fix fbmem driver bug with size checks (Petr Vandrovec) o Merge the Emu10K driver (Rui Sousa and co) o Synclink driver updates (Paul Fulghum) o Appletalk SMP locking fixes (Jens-Uwe Mager) o Don't offer Toshiba Laptop for non x86 (Francis Galiegue) o Further PPC minor merges (Paul Mackerras) 2.2.17pre10 o Fix up the eepro driver further (Aristeu Sergio Rozanski Filho) o Update URL for Japanese Configure.help (Goto Masanori) o Remove tty driver sleep race (Andrea Arcangeli) | this backs out a fix but a fix we no longer need o Tim Waugh moved (Tim Waugh) o Urban Widmark becomes new smbfs maintainer (Urban Widmark) | Also cleanup debug stuff o Fix several cs46xx bugs (Tom Woller, me) o Fix INET=n compile failure (Arjan van de Ven) o Handle i2o boot volumes sanely (Boji Kannanthanam, me) 2.2.17pre9 o Fix toshiba driver to work compiled in (me) o Fix scsi sg driver panics with some cards (Douglas Gilbert) o Fix select() handling bugs in DoubleTalk driver (Jim Van Zandt) o Alpha fixes for fbcon. matroxfb and pm2fb (Jay Estabrook) o Further TCP fixes (please give these a good beating) (Alexey Kuznetsov) o Add some delays to cs46xx to try and fix the (me) 'only works on 2nd load' bug some people see 2.2.17pre8 o Fix sparc64 sym53c8xx breakage (Dave Miller) o Further PPC merge updates (Paul Mackerras) o Fix the I/O slowdown in 2.2.17pre7 (Marcelo Tosatti) 2.2.17pre7 o Fix the rate adaption, default to 48KHz (me) Correctly setup VRA bits. Variable speed now works on capable codecs (AD1881 etc) o Crystal Soundfusion 46xx driver (me) | Most of the work actually from the ALSA driver by Jaroslav o PC300 driver update (Ivan Passos) o Further PPC merges (Olaf Hering) o Further 3c59x/3c90x fixes (Andrew Morton) o Fix i810 potential oops (Vladimir V. Klenov) o Atari partition probe must be last (no magic) (Michael Schmitz) o Merge aty128fb driver for PPC (Brad Douglas) o Fix the multiple ide directories in proc bug (Shigeo 'Geo' Tanai) o Fix zImage build for chrp PPC (Olaf Hering) o Toshiba SMM driver for configuration utils (Jonathan Buzzard) o Rename cp932 back (Yoshihiro Kajiki) o Fix endian bug in cp932 handling (Yoshihiro Kajiki) 2.2.17pre6 o Fix some NTFS bugs, stop it touching win2K (Anton Altaparmakov) o Wait for dirty buffers to sync sometimes (Marcelo Tosatti) o AIC7xxx update (hopefully its happy now) (Doug Ledford) o Put #!/bin/sh on the scripts from Menuconfig (Wolfgang Sourdeau) o 2.2 elevator wasnt coalescing enough (Jens Axboe) o Fix ppc build problem (Andreas Tobler) o PPC video updates (Benjamin Herrenschmidt) o List extra Athlon flags as in 2.3.* (me) o Handle AMD Athlon L2 cache reporting errata (me) 2.2.17pre5 o Fix alpha compile problems on lmc and dmfe (me) o Fix sparc32 lockd translation (Dave Miller) o Fix HDLC problems with packet lengths (Ivan Passos) o PMAC updates - should now build (Benjamin Herrenschmidt) video update rejected as too risky o Removed unused trashing var (Andrea Arcangeli) o Proper fix for the TCP crash case (Andi Kleen) o Further small vm fixups (Rik van Riel) o Fix SCSI tape bugs (Kai Makisara) o Lanmedia driver fixes (Andrew Stanley-Jones) o ES1370/1371 GETOSPACE fixes (Thomas Sailer) o FAT CD fix (Jens Axboe) o Further small shared irq 3c59x fix (Andrew Morton) o Fix scripts/Configure comment handler (Jun Hamano) 2.2.17pre4 o Winchip C6 has buggy TSC (Dave Jones) o TCP crash workaround for the problem seen by auctionwatch (Alexey Kuznetsov) o VM improvements (mm-fix-3) (Andrea Arcangeli) o Revert parport change in pre2 for now (me) 2.2.17pre3 o Fix possible hang in TCP code under high net/ (Mark Hemment) disk load | Im very interested to know if this fixes some of the | reported high load box totally hangs cases o Fix a sparc64 problem with SABRE o Bring the PPC port back into line (Cort Dougan, Paul Mackerras, Benjamin Herrenschmidt, Henry Worth | Lots of PPC fixes, DMA sound suspend fix, GMAC ethernet, | PPC changes to de4x5 for new apple stuff, core99 fixes | adb, rth, macserial and media bay work o Require root for keymap reloading (Stephen Thorne) o Fix a reported CD-ROM oops (Jens Axboe) o Give BSD behaviour for iovec overruns (Ivan Kokshaysky) | Also should fix OSF emulation o Set file type on sockets in ext2 (Andreas Dilger) 2.2.17pre2 o Fix memory leak in appletalk drivers (Hu Chengjun) o Fix bridge + rtl8139 bug (Jeff Garzik) o ICH audio hack for slow to reset codecs (Vladimir V. Klenov) o One liner fix to the kswapd logic (Rik van Riel) o Fix dtr on close bug in the SX serial driver (Patrick van de Lageweg) o Fix saving of db6 on debug traps (James Cownie) o Teach setup code about transmeta processors (H Peter Anvin) o Fix some SMP races in parport (Tim Waugh) o Fix CDROMPLAYTRKIND, rpc2 region info query (Jens Axboe) o Small AFFS fixes (Dave Jones) o Test fsuid before DAC_OVERRIDE in procfs (Solar Designer) o Add Cyclades PC300 driver (Ivan Passos) o List Andries as partitioning maintainer (Andries Brouwer) o Remove __LIBRARY__ from unistd.h syscall tests (Erik Troan) o Resync 2.2 and 2.4 i810 drivers (me) o Upgrade aic7xxx driver to 5.1.30. This should (Doug Ledford) fix the problems with EISA/VLB cards o Resync the ixj telephony driver with Quicknet (me) | Word of warning: Stuff built against the 2.2 ixj | driver is back compatible. Stuff built against their | release we merged with is not as they clashed with | ioctls already allocated for other uses. 2.2.17pre1 o Fix the md failure to work (me) o Fix the Irix 6.x FIN foodfight bug (Andi Kleen) | Someone needs to fix IRIX too o Fix the Alpha debugging printk (me) o Fix the 2.2.16 problem with some cdroms (Jens Axboe) o Fix the i2o scsi crash on boot (me) o Fix yamaha audio when compiled in (me) o Fix es1371 rev 8 cards (Thomas Sailer) o Don't listen for TCP on lockd port (Trond Myklebust) o Fix sparc32 signal handling (Eddie d'Ost) o Fix sym53xxx sparc stuff (Dave Miller) o Fix crashes on unload/remove of initio scsi (Thomas Graichen) o FIX eepro100 on sparc (Dave Miller) o Remove Alessandro from the maintainers (Alessandro Rubini) o Fix erroneous cp932 code page data (C Huang) - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ ----- End forwarded message ----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ehillman at cccu.com Tue Sep 5 09:55:42 2000 From: ehillman at cccu.com (Eric Hillman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:20979] Mostly OT: Ralph Nader Message-ID: <000001c01749$5cb8a4b0$0162a8c0@cccu.com> I don't know where any of you folks stand politically, but since Linux advocacy and anti-corporate sentiments often go hand-in-hand, I thought there might be some on the list who'd be interested in hearing this: A couple of weeks ago, Ralph Nader held a rally in Portland, Oregon. Much to the surprise of everybody involved, they sold out an *entire arena* -- over 10,000 people attended this event at the Portland Coliseum, and over eight hundred more were still trying to get in after they ran out of seats. That's larger than any major-party rally to date... And these people actually *paid* to get in. (there's some good coverage of the rally here: http://www.wweek.com/html/leada.html) Minneapolis has been chosen as site #2 (something to do with our governor, I imagine.) The Nader campaign has booked the Target Center for September 22nd and is trying to sell 14,000 seats. Tickets are $7 a pop, and if there's any interest, I'll try to bring some to the next TCLUG meeting or tell you where you can get some. Feel free to contact me off-list. The part where this is kinda on-topic is that the campaign is offering to allow non-profit groups who sell a certain amount of tickets for the campaign to set up tables in the Target Center during the event to hand out flyers, solicit donations, give away stuff, etc (at present, selling stuff is verboten, mainly for tax reasons). I realize that this isn't exactly Comdex (and it certainly ain't Strictly Business), but I thought I'd at least mention it, as we have an opportunity to get into the action in the early stages. Incidentally, they'll be setting up campaign offices in Minneapolis in the near future and will probably be looking for a few technical people to volunteer time or equipment to wire up an office some evening. Again, anybody interested in helping out or just looking for more info can contact me off-list. I'll let you get back to your regularly scheduled TCLUG traffic now... -- Eric Hillman UNIX Sysadmin/Webmaster City & County Credit Union ehillman@cccu.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From esper at sherohman.org Tue Sep 5 10:14:12 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20979] Mostly OT: Ralph Nader In-Reply-To: <000001c01749$5cb8a4b0$0162a8c0@cccu.com> from Eric Hillman at "Sep 5, 2000 09:55:42 am" Message-ID: Eric Hillman said: > Minneapolis has been chosen as site #2 (something to do with our governor, I > imagine.) The Nader campaign has booked the Target Center for September 22nd > and is trying to sell 14,000 seats. Tickets are $7 a pop, and if there's any > interest, I'll try to bring some to the next TCLUG meeting or tell you where you > can get some. Feel free to contact me off-list. Political rallies tend to be all hype, which ain't my thing, but I'd be happy to buy a ticket or three anyhow, especially if the LUG needs them to get a table at the rally. (Better, of course, would be if there's a way to make non-ticketed donations which would help get that table without preventing someone else from going to the rally...) > Incidentally, they'll be setting up campaign offices in Minneapolis in the near > future and will probably be looking for a few technical people to volunteer time > or equipment to wire up an office some evening. Again, anybody interested in > helping out or just looking for more info can contact me off-list. If you can get your foot in the door for this, I'd definitely be willing to help out (schedule permitting, of course). -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From esper at sherohman.org Tue Sep 5 10:20:05 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20979] Mostly OT: Ralph Nader In-Reply-To: from Dave Sherohman at "Sep 5, 2000 10:14:12 am" Message-ID: Dave Sherohman said: Bleah. Sorry about that. Forgot that this list sets Reply-to: the list. -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jasonj at innominatus.com Tue Sep 5 10:39:41 2000 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:20982] Unix VNC Message-ID: <39B513BD.9D4B8263@innominatus.com> Does anyone use Unix VNC? When you run a VNC server in windows or on a mac the VNC clients all share the same desktop. In unix the VNC server starts a new xdisplay, :1 :2 etc, for each VNC client. Is there a way to make it share the same desktop? All clients share :0. The idea is to use a windows VNC client to control our linux prototype machine so that we can use some of the Windows Based automated test suites. There isnt anything out there for automated testing on linux boxes. There is some unix suites but most are based on motif or simply will not work with linux. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Tue Sep 5 10:37:42 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20982] Unix VNC In-Reply-To: <39B513BD.9D4B8263@innominatus.com> Message-ID: I believe the Unix VNC server is an X server in itself, so it always starts with the first unused display (because the normal X server is on :0) Have you RTFM'd at their site? Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Jason J wrote: > Does anyone use Unix VNC? > > When you run a VNC server in windows or on a mac the VNC clients all > share the same desktop. In unix the VNC server starts a new xdisplay, :1 > :2 etc, for each VNC client. Is there a way to make it share the same > desktop? All clients share :0. > > The idea is to use a windows VNC client to control our linux prototype > machine so that we can use some of the Windows Based automated test > suites. There isnt anything out there for automated testing on linux > boxes. There is some unix suites but most are based on motif or simply > will not work with linux. > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blackk100 at hotmail.com Tue Sep 5 11:58:54 2000 From: blackk100 at hotmail.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20982] Unix VNC Message-ID: The VNC server for Winblows does not handle multiple connections (the one who connects last gets the connection, and the last desktop in a stateless condition). Have you checked in to rfbproxy, or rfbplaymacro on freshmeat.net. They seem to be able to record mouse events, and play back events using VNC. Kelly Black (this tagline intentionally left blank) >From: Jason J >Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >Subject: [TCLUG:20982] Unix VNC >Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 10:39:41 -0500 > >Does anyone use Unix VNC? > >When you run a VNC server in windows or on a mac the VNC clients all >share the same desktop. In unix the VNC server starts a new xdisplay, :1 >:2 etc, for each VNC client. Is there a way to make it share the same >desktop? All clients share :0. > >The idea is to use a windows VNC client to control our linux prototype >machine so that we can use some of the Windows Based automated test >suites. There isnt anything out there for automated testing on linux >boxes. There is some unix suites but most are based on motif or simply >will not work with linux. > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Tue Sep 5 13:36:02 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20982] Unix VNC References: <39B513BD.9D4B8263@innominatus.com> Message-ID: <39B53D12.33AF6DC7@tcfreenet.org> Jason J wrote: > > Does anyone use Unix VNC? > > When you run a VNC server in windows or on a mac the VNC clients all > share the same desktop. In unix the VNC server starts a new xdisplay, :1 > :2 etc, for each VNC client. Is there a way to make it share the same > desktop? All clients share :0. > > The idea is to use a windows VNC client to control our linux prototype > machine so that we can use some of the Windows Based automated test > suites. There isnt anything out there for automated testing on linux > boxes. There is some unix suites but most are based on motif or simply > will not work with linux. Maybe play with the XTEST extention. Ever looked at x2x? I bet you could write a remote X thingy totally client side. Nothing special on the server. Though you'd have to go with standard X pixmaps so it'd be kinda slow... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jrsmit2 at uswest.com Tue Sep 5 13:49:26 2000 From: jrsmit2 at uswest.com (jrsmit2@uswest.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:20969] -- MARK -- Message-ID: This has been in Solaris for a long long time. Very useful when you have hardware/power problems and/or lose a disk because you can figure out at roughly what time things happened. Jer -----Original Message----- From: Ben Kochie [mailto:ben@nerp.net] Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 11:58 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG:20969] -- MARK -- which is a new thing anyway.. i used to just trust syslog to stay running.. *sigh* welcome linux to the NT style of doing things. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Mon, 4 Sep 2000, Adam Maloney wrote: > That's syslogd putting a placeholder in the logfile so you know it's still > running. > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > On Mon, 4 Sep 2000, Mike Nielsen wrote: > > > Hey all. I can't help but notice in my /var/log/messages file > > I get an entry that reads -- MARK -- evey 20 minutes on the nose. > > > > I'm running Slackware 7.0. And get this on a 2.2.x kernel or a 2.4 > > > > Any idea what that means? > > > > -- > > > > > > ----------------------------- > > |\/|ike@GetBent.net > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From wilson at visi.com Tue Sep 5 16:03:03 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:20987] migrating users Message-ID: Hey everyone, Let's say I've got a server running some distribution of Linux and I'm going to change to a different distro on that same box. I've got a separate /home partition, so users' directories will be unaffected. Distro A and B might have a different set of daemon "users" in /etc/passwd and may use different standard UIDs and GIDs for users. How can I make the users' accounts continue to work with their old passwords after I reinstall the system? Using the same /etc/passwd file causes problems because of the differences I mentioned above. Is there a standard approach? -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From pope at ossuary.net Tue Sep 5 16:14:36 2000 From: pope at ossuary.net (Scott) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20987] migrating users In-Reply-To: Message-ID: When I moved my box from suse to slack I copied over the old /etc/groups, /etc/passwd, and /etc/shadow entries for the users into the new files. It's pretty easy for the most part, you just have to make sure UIDs/GIDs don't get shared. Scott -- ossuary.net -- "Time provides the rope, but love will tie the slipknot, and I will be the chair you kick away." -Magnetic Fields --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From wilson at visi.com Tue Sep 5 16:14:31 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20987] migrating users In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Scott wrote: > When I moved my box from suse to slack I copied over > the old /etc/groups, /etc/passwd, and /etc/shadow entries > for the users into the new files. It's pretty easy for the > most part, you just have to make sure UIDs/GIDs don't get > shared. Let me make sure I understand. You simply cut-and-pasted the passwd, group, and shadow entries into the new file? You're talking about a simple cut-and-paste between xterms? That's certainly simple enough. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From pope at ossuary.net Tue Sep 5 16:27:58 2000 From: pope at ossuary.net (Scott) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20987] migrating users In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Timothy Wilson wrote: > You simply cut-and-pasted the passwd, group, and shadow entries into the new > file? You're talking about a simple cut-and-paste between xterms? That's > certainly simple enough. Yeah, that's pretty much all I did. I had the old files backed up on a floppy, then just did a cut & paste between consoles. Only one person ended up with a password problem but that was due to me missing one character in their shadow field. Scott -- ossuary.net -- "Time provides the rope, but love will tie the slipknot, and I will be the chair you kick away." -Magnetic Fields --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Tue Sep 5 18:25:43 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:20991] /var as Linear (append) Message-ID: <20000905182543.E7829@real-time.com> I have made a Redhat 6.2 box with a /var as a Linear mode device. My first attempt was to compile linear mode as a module, but the kernel yacks on boot about not being able to load RAID files. So, my second attempt was to compile Linear into the kernel, but now I get unresolved references. The root-raid HOWTO does not seem relevant to my situation. Any ideas? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net Tue Sep 5 18:56:07 2000 From: jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20987] migrating users In-Reply-To: Scott's message of "Tue, 5 Sep 2000 16:27:58 -0500 (CDT)" References: Message-ID: Scott writes: > On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Timothy Wilson wrote: > > > You simply cut-and-pasted the passwd, group, and shadow entries into the new > > file? You're talking about a simple cut-and-paste between xterms? That's > > certainly simple enough. > > Yeah, that's pretty much all I did. I had the old files backed > up on a floppy, then just did a cut & paste between consoles. Only > one person ended up with a password problem but that was due to me > missing one character in their shadow field. Of course this only works if both systems use the same password encryption scheme and the same file format. ie, don't try this between BSD and Linux. -- Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Tue Sep 5 19:19:05 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20987] migrating users In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm going to be migrating users from a slink box to a potato box soon, I'm using old crypt right now, but i'm going to move to MD5 authentication. I'm hoping that PAM is smart enough to detect the old crypt hashes in my current shadow entries, and I can just set a special shell script to force a password change on next login to update to MD5. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On 5 Sep 2000, Jon Schewe wrote: > Scott writes: > > > On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Timothy Wilson wrote: > > > > > You simply cut-and-pasted the passwd, group, and shadow entries into the new > > > file? You're talking about a simple cut-and-paste between xterms? That's > > > certainly simple enough. > > > > Yeah, that's pretty much all I did. I had the old files backed > > up on a floppy, then just did a cut & paste between consoles. Only > > one person ended up with a password problem but that was due to me > > missing one character in their shadow field. > > Of course this only works if both systems use the same password encryption > scheme and the same file format. ie, don't try this between BSD and Linux. > > -- > Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Tue Sep 5 19:22:38 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20991] /var as Linear (append) In-Reply-To: <20000905182543.E7829@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 06:25:43PM -0500 References: <20000905182543.E7829@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20000905192238.H7829@real-time.com> Quoting Bob Tanner (tanner@real-time.com): > I have made a Redhat 6.2 box with a /var as a Linear mode device. > > My first attempt was to compile linear mode as a module, but the kernel yacks > on boot about not being able to load RAID files. > > So, my second attempt was to compile Linear into the kernel, but now I get > unresolved references. > > The root-raid HOWTO does not seem relevant to my situation. Any ideas? Look more in-depth at the problem, I even see the RAID personalities being registered with the kernel: md driver 0.36.6 MAX_MD_DEV=4, MAX_REAL=8 linear personality registered raid0 personality registered raid1 personality registered raid5 personality registered But then: Remounting root filesystem in read-write mode [ OK ] Finding module dependencies [ OK ] Starting up RAID devices: /dev/md0: Invalid argument /dev/md0 must be a nonpersistent RAID0 or LINEAR array! md0 -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net Tue Sep 5 20:03:42 2000 From: jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20991] /var as Linear (append) In-Reply-To: Bob Tanner's message of "Tue, 5 Sep 2000 19:22:38 -0500" References: <20000905182543.E7829@real-time.com> <20000905192238.H7829@real-time.com> Message-ID: Bob Tanner writes: > Quoting Bob Tanner (tanner@real-time.com): > > I have made a Redhat 6.2 box with a /var as a Linear mode device. > > > > My first attempt was to compile linear mode as a module, but the kernel yacks > > on boot about not being able to load RAID files. > > > > So, my second attempt was to compile Linear into the kernel, but now I get > > unresolved references. > > > > The root-raid HOWTO does not seem relevant to my situation. Any ideas? > > Look more in-depth at the problem, I even see the RAID personalities being > registered with the kernel: > > md driver 0.36.6 MAX_MD_DEV=4, MAX_REAL=8 > linear personality registered > raid0 personality registered > raid1 personality registered > raid5 personality registered > > But then: > > Remounting root filesystem in read-write mode [ OK ] > Finding module dependencies [ OK ] > Starting up RAID devices: /dev/md0: Invalid argument > /dev/md0 must be a nonpersistent RAID0 or LINEAR array! > md0 What's you're raidtab look like? How did you format /dev/md0? -- Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Tue Sep 5 20:07:57 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20991] /var as Linear (append) In-Reply-To: ; from jpschewe@eggplant.mtu.net on Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 08:03:42PM -0500 References: <20000905182543.E7829@real-time.com> <20000905192238.H7829@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20000905200757.B10290@real-time.com> Quoting Jon Schewe (jpschewe@eggplant.mtu.net): > > But then: > > > > Remounting root filesystem in read-write mode [ OK ] > > Finding module dependencies [ OK ] > > Starting up RAID devices: /dev/md0: Invalid argument > > /dev/md0 must be a nonpersistent RAID0 or LINEAR array! > > md0 > > What's you're raidtab look like? How did you format /dev/md0? raiddev /dev/md0 raid-level linear nr-raid-disks 2 chunk-size 32 persistent-superblock 1 device /dev/sda5 raid-disk 0 device /dev/sdb1 raid-disk 1 # mkraid /dev/md0 I did this on 2.2.14. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Tue Sep 5 20:10:11 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20991] /var as Linear (append)] Message-ID: <20000905201011.C10290@real-time.com> > > Remounting root filesystem in read-write mode [ OK ] > > Finding module dependencies [ OK ] > > Starting up RAID devices: /dev/md0: Invalid argument > > /dev/md0 must be a nonpersistent RAID0 or LINEAR array! > > md0 > > What's you're raidtab look like? How did you format /dev/md0? raiddev /dev/md0 raid-level linear nr-raid-disks 2 chunk-size 32 persistent-superblock 1 device /dev/sda5 raid-disk 0 device /dev/sdb1 raid-disk 1 # mkraid /dev/md0 I did this on 2.2.14, now I am trying to upgrade to 2.2.17. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net Tue Sep 5 21:32:49 2000 From: jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:20996] [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20991] /var as Linear (append) In-Reply-To: Bob Tanner's message of "Tue, 5 Sep 2000 20:07:57 -0500" References: <20000905182543.E7829@real-time.com> <20000905192238.H7829@real-time.com> <20000905200757.B10290@real-time.com> Message-ID: Bob Tanner writes: > Quoting Jon Schewe (jpschewe@eggplant.mtu.net): > > > But then: > > > > > > Remounting root filesystem in read-write mode [ OK ] > > > Finding module dependencies [ OK ] > > > Starting up RAID devices: /dev/md0: Invalid argument > > > /dev/md0 must be a nonpersistent RAID0 or LINEAR array! > > > md0 > > > > What's you're raidtab look like? How did you format /dev/md0? > > raiddev /dev/md0 > raid-level linear > nr-raid-disks 2 > chunk-size 32 > persistent-superblock 1 > device /dev/sda5 > raid-disk 0 > device /dev/sdb1 > raid-disk 1 You're raidtab looks mostly ok, not sure about the chunk-size and persistent-superblock, you're missing hte nr-spare-disks that I have otherwise looks the same. > # mkraid /dev/md0 I suspect this is your problem, use mke2fs. From the mkraid manpage: those arrays. mkraid only works for RAID1, RAID4, and RAID5 devices; linear and striped md arrays do not need initializing. Try doing mke2fs -c -m0 /dev/md0 then mounting it. -- Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Sep 5 22:46:14 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:20999] Matrox G400 weirdness Message-ID: Hey, I just got a Matrox G400 video card. It's pretty nice. One weird thing though is under X, for some reason, the mouse cursor is blinking. I have no idea why. Couldn't find anything in the docs. Anyone have any idea? It's blinking between normal and all-black (like the cursor mask). No matter what cursor it is. -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Tue Sep 5 23:04:50 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21000] Shell account e-mail Message-ID: Has anyone else received an e-mail from someone at upwatch.com asking for information about shell accounts? I received a few to various domains we host, they looked /really/ suspicious so I did some investigation. The netblock is SWIPed to .NL (I'd say about 75% of their internet traffic are cracking attempts), the whois information from notwork solutions for upwatch.com is in Amsterdam. I did a little digging around the URL they gave me (obfuscating the obvious parts that might identify me) and couldn't turn up much. So has anyone else seen this? Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at usinternet.com Tue Sep 5 23:38:42 2000 From: blutgens at usinternet.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20999] Matrox G400 weirdness In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 10:46:14PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20000905233842.A24292@ares.usinternet.com> On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 10:46:14PM -0500, Yaron wrote: > Hey, > >I just got a Matrox G400 video card. It's pretty nice. One weird thing >though is under X, for some reason, the mouse cursor is blinking. I have >no idea why. Couldn't find anything in the docs. Anyone have any >idea? It's blinking between normal and all-black (like the cursor >mask). No matter what cursor it is. No way. I have been running a G400 for like 6 months with nary a problem. What version of X? What wm? I have used up to 3.3.6 with various wm's. I am a die hard E fan so the uses are limited with the other wm's but never have I seen that. -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Wed Sep 6 00:00:15 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21000] Shell account e-mail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: hrm.. .nl.. almost as bad as .no they must not have very good TV.. nothing to keep the kids entertained. seriously, what were the to: parts of the mail.. would you post a copy of the headers/message.. (or atleast send it to me) Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Adam Maloney wrote: > Has anyone else received an e-mail from someone at upwatch.com asking for > information about shell accounts? > > I received a few to various domains we host, they looked /really/ > suspicious so I did some investigation. The netblock is SWIPed to .NL > (I'd say about 75% of their internet traffic are cracking attempts), the > whois information from notwork solutions for upwatch.com is in Amsterdam. > > I did a little digging around the URL they gave me (obfuscating the > obvious parts that might identify me) and couldn't turn up much. > > So has anyone else seen this? > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Sep 6 00:10:11 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20999] Matrox G400 weirdness In-Reply-To: <20000905233842.A24292@ares.usinternet.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Ben Lutgens wrote: > No way. I have been running a G400 for like 6 months with nary a problem. What > version of X? What wm? I have used up to 3.3.6 with various wm's. I am a die > hard E fan so the uses are limited with the other wm's but never have I seen > that. I'm running X 4.0.1. This happens under WindowMaker, twm and just plain "X" with no clients. I've noticed X spewing out this: Symbol drmMap from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/mga_drv.o is unresolved! Symbol drmUnmap from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/mga_drv.o is unresolved! Symbol DRIGetDrawableStamp from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/mga_drv.o is unresolved! Symbol DRIGetDrawableInfo from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/mga_drv.o is unresolved! I didn't build X myself, I installed the binary distribution (not RPMs). Another thing I noticed is this: (II) MGA(0): direct rendering disabled But I guess that's going to stay that way... -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Wed Sep 6 03:00:35 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21004] Bob Metcalfe and Linux Message-ID: <20000906030035.B20392@real-time.com> I just read Bob Metcalfe's article for "what's up fror this fall". http://www.infoworld.com/opinions/morefromtheether.html I know his open-source linux slam, might be flame bait, but what expectations are not going to be met this year by linux? Slamming linux is always bound to get lots of hits on your site, but I am seriously interested in what he is talking about. Scalability in processors, RAM, fs, etc, are all addressed in 2.4. Maybe jfs stuff? Anyone? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Wed Sep 6 03:03:14 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21005] 20,000 posts Message-ID: <20000906030314.C20392@real-time.com> Sheesh, I spaced it. I missed announcing the 20,000th unique post to the TCLUG! -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Wed Sep 6 07:21:19 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21006] Notification: Level-3-Tech-Support/905098 (fwd) Message-ID: This is the message. I'm still editing the headers and other identifying information (at least until I know more). All I stripped was some of our internal mail handling and removed the domain and random number from the URL and the To:. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications ---------- Forwarded message ---------- ====> ORIGINAL MESSAGE FOLLOWS <==== Received: (from mailroom@localhost) by unix1.sihope.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id SAA12545 for helpdesk; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 18:22:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from upwatch.netland.nl (IDENT:root@[212.19.213.240]) by unix1.sihope.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id SAA12534 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 18:22:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by upwatch.netland.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA08771; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 01:31:21 +0200 Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 01:31:21 +0200 Message-Id: <200009052331.BAA08771@upwatch.netland.nl> From: Upwatch Inkoop Team To: info@xxxxxx Subject: Unix shell account inquiry Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Upwatch Inkoop Team Dear Sir, Madam, I am looking for Unix Shell Accounts all over the world. I also need some specific functionality. Because shell accounts are not as widespread as they once were, I decided to write to a lot of providers. On the other hand this opens up the possibility for receiving *lots* of answers, all in their own format, and I would have to sort through them: a lot of work. So I took the liberty in creating a special webpage. Please fill in the following webpage if you offer Unix Shell Accounts: http://212.19.213.241/aanbieders.php?domain=xxxxxx&random=8294673124 Thank you very much for your cooperation. Ron Arts PS: you might need a technical person when filling this in --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Wed Sep 6 07:47:07 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21005] 20,000 posts In-Reply-To: <20000906030314.C20392@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > Sheesh, I spaced it. I missed announcing the 20,000th unique post to > the TCLUG! Huzzah! Before anyone starts a flame war, shouldn't you share your definition of unique? Phil -- Lottery: a tax on people who are bad at math --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From john1536 at tc.umn.edu Wed Sep 6 09:25:02 2000 From: john1536 at tc.umn.edu (Troy A. Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21008] DHCP client problem on Caldera 2.x Message-ID: <39B653BE.462D415C@tc.umn.edu> I think it is Caldera 2.4, but anyway, I know someone who uses their stock DHCP client and is not getting the correct subnet. The DHCP server is on NetWare (4.x I think), and it gives out a subnetted private class B, but the client is getting a standard class B subnet. My real question is this: what are the alternatives available for dhcp clients. I would like to suggest one that will "just work", but it doesn't have to set itself up. I would appreciate any suggestions. Thank you for reading, and have a great day, Troy -- Troy Johnson mailto:john1536@tc.umn.edu http://umn.edu/~john1536/ An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life. -- Robert A. Heinlein, "Beyond This Horizon", 1942 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From natecars at real-time.com Wed Sep 6 09:45:57 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20991] /var as Linear (append) In-Reply-To: <20000905192238.H7829@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > Look more in-depth at the problem, I even see the RAID personalities being > registered with the kernel: > > md driver 0.36.6 MAX_MD_DEV=4, MAX_REAL=8 > linear personality registered > raid0 personality registered > raid1 personality registered > raid5 personality registered > > But then: > > Remounting root filesystem in read-write mode [ OK ] > Finding module dependencies [ OK ] > Starting up RAID devices: /dev/md0: Invalid argument > /dev/md0 must be a nonpersistent RAID0 or LINEAR array! > md0 Ah! An old style md array.. try starting it with 'raidstart /dev/md0' -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From natecars at real-time.com Wed Sep 6 09:46:25 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:20996] [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20991] /var as Linear (append) In-Reply-To: <20000905200757.B10290@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > raiddev /dev/md0 > raid-level linear > nr-raid-disks 2 > chunk-size 32 > persistent-superblock 1 > device /dev/sda5 > raid-disk 0 > device /dev/sdb1 > raid-disk 1 > > # mkraid /dev/md0 > > I did this on 2.2.14. hmmm... never mind then; it does indeed have a persistent superblock and such. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Wed Sep 6 09:46:25 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:20996] [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20991] /var as Linear (append) In-Reply-To: <20000905200757.B10290@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > raiddev /dev/md0 > raid-level linear > nr-raid-disks 2 > chunk-size 32 > persistent-superblock 1 > device /dev/sda5 > raid-disk 0 > device /dev/sdb1 > raid-disk 1 > > # mkraid /dev/md0 > > I did this on 2.2.14. hmmm... never mind then; it does indeed have a persistent superblock and such. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From natecars at real-time.com Wed Sep 6 09:47:49 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20999] Matrox G400 weirdness In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Yaron wrote: > I just got a Matrox G400 video card. It's pretty nice. One weird thing > though is under X, for some reason, the mouse cursor is blinking. I have > no idea why. Couldn't find anything in the docs. Anyone have any > idea? It's blinking between normal and all-black (like the cursor > mask). No matter what cursor it is. You need the sw_cursor flag in your X config. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Wed Sep 6 10:49:56 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21012] USWest DSL and local providers Message-ID: <017801c0181a$1ae2c760$dd29680a@tgt.com> Now that QWest has officially opened the pipe to 640 Kbps, are there any providers in town (other than USWest.net) that will offer these speeds and static IP's for residential customers? Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Wed Sep 6 11:02:51 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (Gabe Turner (officer)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21012] USWest DSL and local providers In-Reply-To: <017801c0181a$1ae2c760$dd29680a@tgt.com>; from veldy@veldy.net on Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 10:49:56AM -0500 References: <017801c0181a$1ae2c760$dd29680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <20000906110251.K54877@acm.cs.umn.edu> USWest always offered it at 640k, it just wasn't advertised. I've had DSL since Oct. '98 and have had 640k the entire time. They just advertised it as 256k and let those close to the CO burst up to 640k. For the last 2 years I've been consistantly getting 60kb/s downloads. Though, uploads are a different matter and have always been capped at 256k. Anyone notice and increase in upload speed? Gabe On Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 10:49:56AM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > Now that QWest has officially opened the pipe to 640 Kbps, are there any > providers in town (other than USWest.net) that will offer these speeds and > static IP's for residential customers? > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "You seeck leettle monkey!" - Ren Hoek in "Stimpy's Invention" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Sep 6 11:04:11 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20999] Matrox G400 weirdness In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Nate Carlson wrote: > You need the sw_cursor flag in your X config. Actually... I recompiled the kernel, did some things I'd assume were unrelated, and it stopped. Weird as heck. Now to get OpenGL to be faster... (; -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Wed Sep 6 11:08:42 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21012] USWest DSL and local providers References: <017801c0181a$1ae2c760$dd29680a@tgt.com> <20000906110251.K54877@acm.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <018501c0181c$bb8b18a0$dd29680a@tgt.com> They didn't always offer it. When you started the service, they didn't know how to cap it. They now do. They have been capping new installs for quite some time. Just lately, they decided to open up the pipe again - because of competition I am sure. They have sent out letters to all the 256K customers stating as much. Now, some of the ISPs in town will not or have not lifted their own caps on the service, so even though the line works at 640, the bandwidth is still capped at 256. I am wondering who out there seems interested in competing with USWest.net? Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Gabe Turner (officer) To: Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 11:02 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21012] USWest DSL and local providers > USWest always offered it at 640k, it just wasn't advertised. I've had DSL > since Oct. '98 and have had 640k the entire time. They just advertised it > as 256k and let those close to the CO burst up to 640k. For the last 2 > years I've been consistantly getting 60kb/s downloads. Though, uploads are > a different matter and have always been capped at 256k. Anyone notice and > increase in upload speed? > > Gabe > > On Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 10:49:56AM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > Now that QWest has officially opened the pipe to 640 Kbps, are there any > > providers in town (other than USWest.net) that will offer these speeds and > > static IP's for residential customers? > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > Gabe Turner | X-President, > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > "You seeck leettle monkey!" > - Ren Hoek in "Stimpy's Invention" > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Wed Sep 6 11:18:10 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (Gabe Turner (officer)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21012] USWest DSL and local providers In-Reply-To: <018501c0181c$bb8b18a0$dd29680a@tgt.com>; from veldy@veldy.net on Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 11:08:42AM -0500 References: <017801c0181a$1ae2c760$dd29680a@tgt.com> <20000906110251.K54877@acm.cs.umn.edu> <018501c0181c$bb8b18a0$dd29680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <20000906111810.M54877@acm.cs.umn.edu> But was USWest capping it, or were the ISPs (e.g. USWest.net, VISI, etc) capping it? I'm pretty sure my ISP (Sound Internet, www.scc.net) as always allow people to burst. Though, I've always had bridged DSL and not routed. Gabe On Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 11:08:42AM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > They didn't always offer it. When you started the service, they didn't know > how to cap it. They now do. They have been capping new installs for quite > some time. Just lately, they decided to open up the pipe again - because of > competition I am sure. They have sent out letters to all the 256K > customers stating as much. Now, some of the ISPs in town will not or have > not lifted their own caps on the service, so even though the line works at > 640, the bandwidth is still capped at 256. I am wondering who out there > seems interested in competing with USWest.net? > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gabe Turner (officer) > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 11:02 AM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21012] USWest DSL and local providers > > > > USWest always offered it at 640k, it just wasn't advertised. I've had DSL > > since Oct. '98 and have had 640k the entire time. They just advertised it > > as 256k and let those close to the CO burst up to 640k. For the last 2 > > years I've been consistantly getting 60kb/s downloads. Though, uploads > are > > a different matter and have always been capped at 256k. Anyone notice and > > increase in upload speed? > > > > Gabe > > > > On Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 10:49:56AM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > Now that QWest has officially opened the pipe to 640 Kbps, are there any > > > providers in town (other than USWest.net) that will offer these speeds > and > > > static IP's for residential customers? > > > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > > Gabe Turner | X-President, > > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery > > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota > > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > > > "You seeck leettle monkey!" > > - Ren Hoek in "Stimpy's Invention" > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "You seeck leettle monkey!" - Ren Hoek in "Stimpy's Invention" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Wed Sep 6 11:18:12 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21012] USWest DSL and local providers In-Reply-To: <20000906111810.M54877@acm.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: US-West started rate-limiting at the DSLAM as soon as they had the ability to do it (older users were grandfathered in with unrate-limited speeds). Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Gabe Turner (officer) wrote: > But was USWest capping it, or were the ISPs (e.g. USWest.net, VISI, etc) > capping it? I'm pretty sure my ISP (Sound Internet, www.scc.net) as always > allow people to burst. Though, I've always had bridged DSL and not routed. > > Gabe > > On Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 11:08:42AM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > They didn't always offer it. When you started the service, they didn't know > > how to cap it. They now do. They have been capping new installs for quite > > some time. Just lately, they decided to open up the pipe again - because of > > competition I am sure. They have sent out letters to all the 256K > > customers stating as much. Now, some of the ISPs in town will not or have > > not lifted their own caps on the service, so even though the line works at > > 640, the bandwidth is still capped at 256. I am wondering who out there > > seems interested in competing with USWest.net? > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Gabe Turner (officer) > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 11:02 AM > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21012] USWest DSL and local providers > > > > > > > USWest always offered it at 640k, it just wasn't advertised. I've had DSL > > > since Oct. '98 and have had 640k the entire time. They just advertised it > > > as 256k and let those close to the CO burst up to 640k. For the last 2 > > > years I've been consistantly getting 60kb/s downloads. Though, uploads > > are > > > a different matter and have always been capped at 256k. Anyone notice and > > > increase in upload speed? > > > > > > Gabe > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 10:49:56AM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > > Now that QWest has officially opened the pipe to 640 Kbps, are there any > > > > providers in town (other than USWest.net) that will offer these speeds > > and > > > > static IP's for residential customers? > > > > > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > -- > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------ > > > Gabe Turner | X-President, > > > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery > > > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota > > > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > > > > > "You seeck leettle monkey!" > > > - Ren Hoek in "Stimpy's Invention" > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------ > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Gabe Turner | X-President, > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > "You seeck leettle monkey!" > - Ren Hoek in "Stimpy's Invention" > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Wed Sep 6 11:36:24 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21012] USWest DSL and local providers References: <017801c0181a$1ae2c760$dd29680a@tgt.com> <20000906110251.K54877@acm.cs.umn.edu> <018501c0181c$bb8b18a0$dd29680a@tgt.com> <20000906111810.M54877@acm.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <01a201c01820$98bf5530$dd29680a@tgt.com> USWest was for sure - for the newer installs. The ISP also was in many cases (i.e. VISI.com). Now, USWest has removed the cap, but not all the ISPs have followed suite (i.e. VISI.com). Whether they actually do remains to be seen. Where does real-time stand on this? Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Gabe Turner (officer) To: Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21012] USWest DSL and local providers > But was USWest capping it, or were the ISPs (e.g. USWest.net, VISI, etc) > capping it? I'm pretty sure my ISP (Sound Internet, www.scc.net) as always > allow people to burst. Though, I've always had bridged DSL and not routed. > > Gabe > > On Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 11:08:42AM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > They didn't always offer it. When you started the service, they didn't know > > how to cap it. They now do. They have been capping new installs for quite > > some time. Just lately, they decided to open up the pipe again - because of > > competition I am sure. They have sent out letters to all the 256K > > customers stating as much. Now, some of the ISPs in town will not or have > > not lifted their own caps on the service, so even though the line works at > > 640, the bandwidth is still capped at 256. I am wondering who out there > > seems interested in competing with USWest.net? > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Gabe Turner (officer) > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 11:02 AM > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21012] USWest DSL and local providers > > > > > > > USWest always offered it at 640k, it just wasn't advertised. I've had DSL > > > since Oct. '98 and have had 640k the entire time. They just advertised it > > > as 256k and let those close to the CO burst up to 640k. For the last 2 > > > years I've been consistantly getting 60kb/s downloads. Though, uploads > > are > > > a different matter and have always been capped at 256k. Anyone notice and > > > increase in upload speed? > > > > > > Gabe > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 10:49:56AM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > > Now that QWest has officially opened the pipe to 640 Kbps, are there any > > > > providers in town (other than USWest.net) that will offer these speeds > > and > > > > static IP's for residential customers? > > > > > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > -- > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------ > > > Gabe Turner | X-President, > > > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery > > > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota > > > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > > > > > "You seeck leettle monkey!" > > > - Ren Hoek in "Stimpy's Invention" > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------ > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > Gabe Turner | X-President, > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > "You seeck leettle monkey!" > - Ren Hoek in "Stimpy's Invention" > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu Wed Sep 6 12:08:18 2000 From: lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu (Ben Luey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21019] named dns dialup zones and forwarders Message-ID: I've got a server that is going ip masqerading over a dilaup and running a dns server. It is using dial on demand so the routing shows that there is always a link up. All teh clients are using the server for dns. I want all local questions (intranet) to be answered by our dns server without trigering and looking up via the internet. If the dns question isn't local, I want it forwarded to the dns servers our isp gives us. If that fails, I want our dns server to use teh hits file.. Our /etc/named.conf is: options { directory "/etc/dns"; /* */ // query-source address * port 53; forwarders { 207.171.208.10; 207.171.208.11; }; }; zone "hearing.org" { type master; file "domain.hosts"; }; zone "1.168.192.IN-ADDR.ARPA" { type master; file "domain.reverse"; }; zone "." { type hint; file "named.ca"; }; zone "0.0.127.in-addr.arpa" { type master; file "named.local"; }; Is this the right configuration? I know it works, but I fear that it using teh forwarders and hints and then the local stuff when that fails. Also, recently our phone line died and we had no dialup, and our internal e-mail becare very very slow I think because of dns problems and waiting for timeouts. Or is this inevitable since the dns server sees a gateway to out outside and tries it and must wait until it timesout because of dial on demand. Ben Recently our phone line went dead and so we couldn't dial to the internet and because of dns attempts our internal network before very very slow. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Wed Sep 6 12:27:11 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20991] /var as Linear (append) In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 09:45:57AM -0500 References: <20000905192238.H7829@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20000906122711.F7483@real-time.com> Quoting Nate Carlson (natecars@real-time.com): > On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > > Look more in-depth at the problem, I even see the RAID personalities being > > registered with the kernel: > > > > md driver 0.36.6 MAX_MD_DEV=4, MAX_REAL=8 > > linear personality registered > > raid0 personality registered > > raid1 personality registered > > raid5 personality registered > > > > But then: > > > > Remounting root filesystem in read-write mode [ OK ] > > Finding module dependencies [ OK ] > > Starting up RAID devices: /dev/md0: Invalid argument > > /dev/md0 must be a nonpersistent RAID0 or LINEAR array! > > md0 > > Ah! An old style md array.. try starting it with 'raidstart /dev/md0' > Well, /etc/rc.d/rc.sysint has this: if [ -z "$RAIDSTAT" ]; then # Try raidstart first...if that fails then # fall back to raidadd, raidrun. If that # also fails, then we drop to a shell RESULT=1 if [ -x /sbin/raidstart ]; then /sbin/raidstart $i RESULT=$? fi if [ $RESULT -gt 0 -a -x /sbin/raid0run ]; then /sbin/raid0run $i RESULT=$? fi So, it is trying raidstart first, but failing. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu Wed Sep 6 12:20:56 2000 From: lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu (Ben Luey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21021] dns mx question Message-ID: We have a registered domain that we use for e-mail. I want e-mail send from the intranet to go to the server and be processed without triggering our internet link (dial on demand), but don't want to be a master dns for the domain name since the web site and stuff has a real internet addresses and is contorled by other people. I just want to have hearingsociety.org have a local MX record and all other dns requests handled by the forwarders. I currently have in my domain.hosts: @ IN SOA hearing.org. server.hearing.org. ( 1997080600 ; serial number 10800 ; refresh rate (3 hours) 1800 ; retry (30 minutes) 1209600 ; expire (2 weeks) 604800 ) ; minium (1 week) MX 5 server.hearing.org. NS server.hearing.org. # NS hearing.org. hearingsociety.org. MX 3 server.hearing.org. server A 192.168.1.1 finance A 192.168.1.211 giving hearingsociety.org a MX record; however, since in /etc/named.conf, domain.hosts is only in the zone for hearing.org zone "hearing.org" { type master; file "domain.hosts"; }; This works, but when our internet access stopped, local mail would not get delivered I think because the dns lookup somehow needed outside access to resolve the MX on hearingsociety.org -- when I shut down named and added a line to the /etc/hosts it fixed the problem, but that messes up website dns lookups. Any ideas? Thanks, Ben --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Wed Sep 6 12:57:45 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21021] dns mx question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You could try setting up your machine to be a slave for the zone. It would still carry authorative information so it wouldn't have to do a lookup every time...you'd just have to do a lookup when Bind wanted to update the zone from the primary. zone "hearing.org" { type slave; file "sec/hearing.org"; masters { primary.dns.server }; }; Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Ben Luey wrote: > We have a registered domain that we use for e-mail. I want e-mail send > from the intranet to go to the server and be processed without triggering > our internet link (dial on demand), but don't want to be a master dns for > the domain name since the web site and stuff has a real internet addresses > and is contorled by other people. I just want to have hearingsociety.org > have a local MX record and all other dns requests handled by the > forwarders. > > I currently have in my domain.hosts: > > @ IN SOA hearing.org. server.hearing.org. ( > 1997080600 ; serial number > 10800 ; refresh rate (3 hours) > 1800 ; retry (30 minutes) > 1209600 ; expire (2 weeks) > 604800 ) ; minium (1 week) > MX 5 server.hearing.org. > NS server.hearing.org. > # NS hearing.org. > hearingsociety.org. MX 3 server.hearing.org. > server A 192.168.1.1 > finance A 192.168.1.211 > > giving hearingsociety.org a MX record; however, since in /etc/named.conf, > domain.hosts is only in the zone for hearing.org > > zone "hearing.org" { > type master; > file "domain.hosts"; > }; > > This works, but when our internet access stopped, local mail would not get > delivered I think because the dns lookup somehow needed outside access to > resolve the MX on hearingsociety.org -- when I shut down named and added a > line to the /etc/hosts it fixed the problem, but that messes up website > dns lookups. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks, > > Ben > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu Wed Sep 6 12:54:10 2000 From: lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu (Ben Luey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21021] dns mx question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The problem is that there isn't a master for hearing.org -- it is all fake intranet. The hearingsociety.org which is real points to the wrong MX record -- outside email is picked up by the isp and then gets put in an email account that our server gets periodically with fetchmail, I want local hearingsociety.org MX record to point to our local server, but outside dns would point to my isp's server. I hope that was somewhat clear Thanks, Ben On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Adam Maloney wrote: > You could try setting up your machine to be a slave for the zone. It > would still carry authorative information so it wouldn't have to do a > lookup every time...you'd just have to do a lookup when Bind wanted to > update the zone from the primary. > > zone "hearing.org" { > type slave; > file "sec/hearing.org"; > masters { > primary.dns.server > }; > }; > > > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Ben Luey wrote: > > > We have a registered domain that we use for e-mail. I want e-mail send > > from the intranet to go to the server and be processed without triggering > > our internet link (dial on demand), but don't want to be a master dns for > > the domain name since the web site and stuff has a real internet addresses > > and is contorled by other people. I just want to have hearingsociety.org > > have a local MX record and all other dns requests handled by the > > forwarders. > > > > I currently have in my domain.hosts: > > > > @ IN SOA hearing.org. server.hearing.org. ( > > 1997080600 ; serial number > > 10800 ; refresh rate (3 hours) > > 1800 ; retry (30 minutes) > > 1209600 ; expire (2 weeks) > > 604800 ) ; minium (1 week) > > MX 5 server.hearing.org. > > NS server.hearing.org. > > # NS hearing.org. > > hearingsociety.org. MX 3 server.hearing.org. > > server A 192.168.1.1 > > finance A 192.168.1.211 > > > > giving hearingsociety.org a MX record; however, since in /etc/named.conf, > > domain.hosts is only in the zone for hearing.org > > > > zone "hearing.org" { > > type master; > > file "domain.hosts"; > > }; > > > > This works, but when our internet access stopped, local mail would not get > > delivered I think because the dns lookup somehow needed outside access to > > resolve the MX on hearingsociety.org -- when I shut down named and added a > > line to the /etc/hosts it fixed the problem, but that messes up website > > dns lookups. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Ben > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From natecars at real-time.com Wed Sep 6 13:43:24 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21021] dns mx question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Ben Luey wrote: > I currently have in my domain.hosts: > > @ IN SOA hearing.org. server.hearing.org. ( > 1997080600 ; serial number > 10800 ; refresh rate (3 hours) > 1800 ; retry (30 minutes) > 1209600 ; expire (2 weeks) > 604800 ) ; minium (1 week) > MX 5 server.hearing.org. > NS server.hearing.org. > # NS hearing.org. > hearingsociety.org. MX 3 server.hearing.org. > server A 192.168.1.1 > finance A 192.168.1.211 > > giving hearingsociety.org a MX record; however, since in /etc/named.conf, > domain.hosts is only in the zone for hearing.org > > zone "hearing.org" { > type master; > file "domain.hosts"; > }; Check your /var/log/messages; it should be complaining that hearingsociety.org is outside of the hearing.org zone.. are you sure it's actually working? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Wed Sep 6 14:09:06 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (Gabe Turner (officer)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21025] SGI Visual Workstations Message-ID: <20000906140906.R54877@acm.cs.umn.edu> Just wondering if anyone has played around with SGIs new line of their Visual Workstations (specifically the 230 and 330 models) running Linux. Remember when I posted awhile back about OpenGL? Well I tried everything short of a commercial Xserver (e.g. Accel-X) and it seems since there are no OpenGL[tm] GL implementations for Linux, the commercial software packages we use (run on IRIX/AIX, display on Linux) don't work - they just exit with an error saying that they couldn't display properly because some OpenGL calls didn't work. Well, I'm going to see if I can get a Visual Workstation to try out, since they claim to come with OpenGL[tm] hardware (and drivers). Anyone have a chance to play around with them? Any caveats? TIA, Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Happy Happy Happy! Joy Joy Joy!!" - Stimpson J. Cat -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Sep 6 14:16:00 2000 From: blutgens at sistina.com (blutgens@sistina.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20999] Matrox G400 weirdness In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 11:04:11AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20000906141600.B2619@titanium.sistina.com> On Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 11:04:11AM -0500, Yaron wrote: > >Now to get OpenGL to be faster... (; > Go to sourceforge and look at gmgaclock to overclock your card. -- Ben Lutgens Work: 612.379.5941 Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 Systems Administrator Sistina Software Inc. http://www.globalfilesystem.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tomc at kendeco.com Wed Sep 6 14:18:53 2000 From: tomc at kendeco.com (Tom Cross) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20910] Ultra66 In-Reply-To: <39AEC54C.96841AFE@udlp.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 31 Aug 2000, Seth I. Bernsen wrote: > Tom Cross wrote: > > > > I've tried on two different machine to get a Promise ATA66 IDE card and > > ATA66 drive to work with RedHat 6.2 and haven't gotten it to work. If you > > aren't planning on booting with that drive, it's possible. If you wanna > > boot on it, good luck... > > > > I haven't had a chance yet to try the later 2.4.0-test kernels with the > > Promise card. > > Hmm, interesting. I actually have a second HD on a local IDE chain from > which I boot. You say you have gotten the ATA66 to work with RH as a > non-boot device? Any details? Thanks. Boot with Promise card installed. Look in /proc/pci, look for Promise IDE controller. Then take one of the addresses (I can never remember which one, mine has FIVE) and try: lilo: linux ide2=0x0000 where 0x0000 is the address that you enter at lilo/boot time. Once you get one that works you can add it as an append line in /etc/lilo.conf However, my problem is that when I try to make the promise card ide0, it keeps moving the address around and won't boot. :( -- Tom Cross Voice: 320-253-1020 FAX: 320-253-6956 System Administrator E-mail: tomc@kendeco.com Airgas Kendeco Tool Crib http://www.kendeco.com --> Now with new and improved extension number 207!!! <-- St Cloud Area Linux Users Group: http://www.scalug.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From seth_bernsen at udlp.com Wed Sep 6 14:36:04 2000 From: seth_bernsen at udlp.com (Seth I. Bernsen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21028] network engineer Message-ID: <39B69CA4.D716DAE3@udlp.com> First, thanks to everyone who offered info on the Ultra66. I haven't had a lot of time to play with it, but I've got plenty of things to try now. Secondly, I have a friend who is looking to relocate from San Fransisco and is looking for a network engineering position here in the cities. Anybody have any leads? Feel free to contact me directly at this address or at seth_bernsen@alumni.grinnell.edu. Thanks. -- Seth Bernsen Software Engineer United Defense Phone: 612-572-4993 Fax: 612-572-4858 http://www.udlp.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Wed Sep 6 14:49:22 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21012] USWest DSL and local providers References: <39b69e9c.52be.0@isd.net> Message-ID: <036801c0183b$8dfcb5a0$dd29680a@tgt.com> Yeah, I just read it in Visi.general. They are doing the upgrade at midnight tonight. Sounds cool to me. When my Cisco trains at 640/272, it really causes problems with my POTS line. The volume is decreased a lot and there is static on some of the phones in our house. This is not a complaint - the upgrade is greatly anticipated. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Fleming To: Cc: Thomas T. Veldhouse Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21012] USWest DSL and local providers > >Now that QWest has officially opened the pipe to 640 Kbps, are there any > >providers in town (other than USWest.net) that will offer these speeds and > > >static IP's for residential customers? > > I just learned from a friend that visi.com will be upgrading this evening (9/6) > to the full 640K, no additional charge to customers. Don't know what impact > that has on static IP issue. > > I've sent an inquiry to my provider isd.net, but no response as of yet. > -- > Michael Fleming > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Wed Sep 6 15:09:30 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21021] dns mx question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Wouldn't Sendmail accept the mail locally, regardless of the MX, if the domain is in it's cW? I thought the logic was something like, it does some address munging in S3 and then decides what mailer to use based on the domain. Only if the mailer comes up as SMTP or ESMTP (not local) then it will do the MX lookup to find out where to send it. If it's a local domain (in sendmail.cw or the W class in the sendmail.cf) it should just deliver it locally without DNS. Is this not the case? Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Ben Luey wrote: > The problem is that there isn't a master for hearing.org -- it is all fake > intranet. The hearingsociety.org which is real points to the wrong MX > record -- outside email is picked up by the isp and then gets put in an > email account that our server gets periodically with fetchmail, I want > local hearingsociety.org MX record to point to our local server, but > outside dns would point to my isp's server. > > I hope that was somewhat clear > > Thanks, > > Ben > > > > On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Adam Maloney wrote: > > > You could try setting up your machine to be a slave for the zone. It > > would still carry authorative information so it wouldn't have to do a > > lookup every time...you'd just have to do a lookup when Bind wanted to > > update the zone from the primary. > > > > zone "hearing.org" { > > type slave; > > file "sec/hearing.org"; > > masters { > > primary.dns.server > > }; > > }; > > > > > > > > Adam Maloney > > Systems Administrator > > Sihope Communications > > > > On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Ben Luey wrote: > > > > > We have a registered domain that we use for e-mail. I want e-mail send > > > from the intranet to go to the server and be processed without triggering > > > our internet link (dial on demand), but don't want to be a master dns for > > > the domain name since the web site and stuff has a real internet addresses > > > and is contorled by other people. I just want to have hearingsociety.org > > > have a local MX record and all other dns requests handled by the > > > forwarders. > > > > > > I currently have in my domain.hosts: > > > > > > @ IN SOA hearing.org. server.hearing.org. ( > > > 1997080600 ; serial number > > > 10800 ; refresh rate (3 hours) > > > 1800 ; retry (30 minutes) > > > 1209600 ; expire (2 weeks) > > > 604800 ) ; minium (1 week) > > > MX 5 server.hearing.org. > > > NS server.hearing.org. > > > # NS hearing.org. > > > hearingsociety.org. MX 3 server.hearing.org. > > > server A 192.168.1.1 > > > finance A 192.168.1.211 > > > > > > giving hearingsociety.org a MX record; however, since in /etc/named.conf, > > > domain.hosts is only in the zone for hearing.org > > > > > > zone "hearing.org" { > > > type master; > > > file "domain.hosts"; > > > }; > > > > > > This works, but when our internet access stopped, local mail would not get > > > delivered I think because the dns lookup somehow needed outside access to > > > resolve the MX on hearingsociety.org -- when I shut down named and added a > > > line to the /etc/hosts it fixed the problem, but that messes up website > > > dns lookups. > > > > > > Any ideas? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Ben > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu Wed Sep 6 16:24:15 2000 From: lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu (Ben Luey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21021] dns mx question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Wouldn't Sendmail accept the mail locally, regardless of the MX, if the > domain is in it's cW? I totally forgot about that. Here's the setup: Clients use local server "server" as pop/imap/smtp server. This machine has sendmail.cw with hearingsociety.org in it to it accepts mail for that domain. Does this mean that dns shouldn't accept anything (assuming server can be resolved to 192.168.1.1?) What I'm trying to understand is why when I took down the ppp0 link (which wasn't working) so there would be no outside route to the internet and hopefully dns would fail quickly -- something, maybe dns was very slow and users sending mail to server:25 was very slow. Shuttind down named spend things up a lot (I'm guess that the win95 clients cached server->192.168.1.1), but no internal mail messages were being delivered even when I did a sendmail -q -- adding hearingsociety.org into /etc/hosts fixed the problem. I don't really understand it, except that it works when the link is up, but I'd like some internal tolerance to looking our internet connection. > > I thought the logic was something like, it does some address munging > in S3 and then decides what mailer to use based on the domain. Only > if the mailer comes up as SMTP or ESMTP (not local) then it will do > the MX lookup to find out where to send it. If it's a local domain > (in sendmail.cw or the W class in the sendmail.cf) it should just > deliver it locally without DNS. I think that is how I set it up -- sendmail accepts mail for hearing.org and hearingsociety.org (I assume doing local delivery since it is in the sendmail.cw) and relays for address in our intranet. Or so I thought until these weird slow downs and queueing but not delivering when the link went down. (slow down not from cpu or memory, I checked) Thanks, Ben --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Wed Sep 6 16:42:38 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21021] dns mx question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well, make sure you have something on the network doing name resolution for your hostnames and IP's (be it DNS or /etc/hosts). Sendmail will probably try to do lookups on the client when it gets the SMTP connection. If it's queueing the messages for that domain when they should be delivered locally, then that's the whole problem. sendmail -q won't work because you /want/ them delivered locally, not queued. If they're queued that means that sendmail doesn't think they should be delivered locally so it'll try to find an MX for the remote mailserver. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Ben Luey wrote: > > Wouldn't Sendmail accept the mail locally, regardless of the MX, if the > > domain is in it's cW? > > I totally forgot about that. Here's the setup: > > Clients use local server "server" as pop/imap/smtp server. This machine > has sendmail.cw with hearingsociety.org in it to it accepts mail for that > domain. Does this mean that dns shouldn't accept anything (assuming server > can be resolved to 192.168.1.1?) What I'm trying to understand is why when > I took down the ppp0 link (which wasn't working) so there would be no > outside route to the internet and hopefully dns would fail quickly -- > something, maybe dns was very slow and users sending mail to server:25 was > very slow. Shuttind down named spend things up a lot (I'm guess that the > win95 clients cached server->192.168.1.1), but no internal mail messages > were being delivered even when I did a sendmail -q -- adding > hearingsociety.org into /etc/hosts fixed the problem. I don't really > understand it, except that it works when the link is up, but I'd like some > internal tolerance to looking our internet connection. > > > > > > > > > > I thought the logic was something like, it does some address munging > > in S3 and then decides what mailer to use based on the domain. Only > > if the mailer comes up as SMTP or ESMTP (not local) then it will do > > the MX lookup to find out where to send it. If it's a local domain > > (in sendmail.cw or the W class in the sendmail.cf) it should just > > deliver it locally without DNS. > > I think that is how I set it up -- sendmail accepts mail for hearing.org > and hearingsociety.org (I assume doing local delivery since it is in the > sendmail.cw) and relays for address in our intranet. Or so I thought until > these weird slow downs and queueing but not delivering when the link went > down. (slow down not from cpu or memory, I checked) > > Thanks, > > > Ben > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu Wed Sep 6 16:41:15 2000 From: lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu (Ben Luey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21021] dns mx question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ok, Bob was right about hearingsociety.org dns entry being wrong since it is in hearing.org zone. So, I don't have a MX entry for hearingsociety.org pointin to my server. So somehow, mail for hearingsociety.org e-mail from the intranet is being put in the queue and not being delivered when I had these connection problems; however, I've watched network activity and e-mail headers, and intranet mail isn't going to theo utside work and then being brought back to the intranet. When I telnet to the server 25 I get: 220 hearingsociety.org ESMTP Sendmail 8.9.3/8.9.3; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 14:50:54 -0700 and sendmail.cw has hearingsociety.org so why is it queuing mail for hearingsociety.org? And how come it is working in the queu even with bad dns MX records? Thanks for all the help and info, Ben On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Adam Maloney wrote: > Well, make sure you have something on the network doing name resolution > for your hostnames and IP's (be it DNS or /etc/hosts). Sendmail will > probably try to do lookups on the client when it gets the SMTP connection. > > If it's queueing the messages for that domain when they should be > delivered locally, then that's the whole problem. sendmail -q won't work > because you /want/ them delivered locally, not queued. If they're queued > that means that sendmail doesn't think they should be delivered locally so > it'll try to find an MX for the remote mailserver. > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Ben Luey wrote: > > > > Wouldn't Sendmail accept the mail locally, regardless of the MX, if the > > > domain is in it's cW? > > > > I totally forgot about that. Here's the setup: > > > > Clients use local server "server" as pop/imap/smtp server. This machine > > has sendmail.cw with hearingsociety.org in it to it accepts mail for that > > domain. Does this mean that dns shouldn't accept anything (assuming server > > can be resolved to 192.168.1.1?) What I'm trying to understand is why when > > I took down the ppp0 link (which wasn't working) so there would be no > > outside route to the internet and hopefully dns would fail quickly -- > > something, maybe dns was very slow and users sending mail to server:25 was > > very slow. Shuttind down named spend things up a lot (I'm guess that the > > win95 clients cached server->192.168.1.1), but no internal mail messages > > were being delivered even when I did a sendmail -q -- adding > > hearingsociety.org into /etc/hosts fixed the problem. I don't really > > understand it, except that it works when the link is up, but I'd like some > > internal tolerance to looking our internet connection. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought the logic was something like, it does some address munging > > > in S3 and then decides what mailer to use based on the domain. Only > > > if the mailer comes up as SMTP or ESMTP (not local) then it will do > > > the MX lookup to find out where to send it. If it's a local domain > > > (in sendmail.cw or the W class in the sendmail.cf) it should just > > > deliver it locally without DNS. > > > > I think that is how I set it up -- sendmail accepts mail for hearing.org > > and hearingsociety.org (I assume doing local delivery since it is in the > > sendmail.cw) and relays for address in our intranet. Or so I thought until > > these weird slow downs and queueing but not delivering when the link went > > down. (slow down not from cpu or memory, I checked) > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Ben > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Wed Sep 6 17:26:30 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21021] dns mx question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Do this: /usr/sbin/sendmail -bt > 0 ... it should say something about "parse returns $# local..." If it doesn't, then sendmail doesn't konw that it should be delivering the mail locally. You say that hearingsociety.org is in the sendmail.cw. Are you sure Sendmail is using it? You can test this by doing: grep "^Fw" /etc/sendmail.cf If it returns a line like: Fw/etc/sendmail.cw then sendmail is using that. If it doesn't find it then Sendmail is /not/ using the cW file, and you'd have to put the domains in class W in the sendmail.cf directly. Verify that and let me know. It's probably time to take this off-list so we don't annoy everyone else :) Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Ben Luey wrote: > Ok, Bob was right about hearingsociety.org dns entry being wrong since > it is in hearing.org zone. So, I don't have a MX entry for > hearingsociety.org pointin to my server. So somehow, mail for > hearingsociety.org e-mail from the intranet is being put in the queue and > not being delivered when I had these connection problems; however, I've > watched network activity and e-mail headers, and intranet mail isn't going > to theo utside work and then being brought back to the intranet. When I > telnet to the server 25 I get: 220 hearingsociety.org ESMTP Sendmail > 8.9.3/8.9.3; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 14:50:54 -0700 > > and sendmail.cw has hearingsociety.org so why is it queuing mail for > hearingsociety.org? And how come it is working in the queu even with bad > dns MX records? > > Thanks for all the help and info, > > Ben > > > > On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Adam Maloney wrote: > > > Well, make sure you have something on the network doing name resolution > > for your hostnames and IP's (be it DNS or /etc/hosts). Sendmail will > > probably try to do lookups on the client when it gets the SMTP connection. > > > > If it's queueing the messages for that domain when they should be > > delivered locally, then that's the whole problem. sendmail -q won't work > > because you /want/ them delivered locally, not queued. If they're queued > > that means that sendmail doesn't think they should be delivered locally so > > it'll try to find an MX for the remote mailserver. > > > > Adam Maloney > > Systems Administrator > > Sihope Communications > > > > On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Ben Luey wrote: > > > > > > Wouldn't Sendmail accept the mail locally, regardless of the MX, if the > > > > domain is in it's cW? > > > > > > I totally forgot about that. Here's the setup: > > > > > > Clients use local server "server" as pop/imap/smtp server. This machine > > > has sendmail.cw with hearingsociety.org in it to it accepts mail for that > > > domain. Does this mean that dns shouldn't accept anything (assuming server > > > can be resolved to 192.168.1.1?) What I'm trying to understand is why when > > > I took down the ppp0 link (which wasn't working) so there would be no > > > outside route to the internet and hopefully dns would fail quickly -- > > > something, maybe dns was very slow and users sending mail to server:25 was > > > very slow. Shuttind down named spend things up a lot (I'm guess that the > > > win95 clients cached server->192.168.1.1), but no internal mail messages > > > were being delivered even when I did a sendmail -q -- adding > > > hearingsociety.org into /etc/hosts fixed the problem. I don't really > > > understand it, except that it works when the link is up, but I'd like some > > > internal tolerance to looking our internet connection. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought the logic was something like, it does some address munging > > > > in S3 and then decides what mailer to use based on the domain. Only > > > > if the mailer comes up as SMTP or ESMTP (not local) then it will do > > > > the MX lookup to find out where to send it. If it's a local domain > > > > (in sendmail.cw or the W class in the sendmail.cf) it should just > > > > deliver it locally without DNS. > > > > > > I think that is how I set it up -- sendmail accepts mail for hearing.org > > > and hearingsociety.org (I assume doing local delivery since it is in the > > > sendmail.cw) and relays for address in our intranet. Or so I thought until > > > these weird slow downs and queueing but not delivering when the link went > > > down. (slow down not from cpu or memory, I checked) > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > Ben > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu Wed Sep 6 17:21:40 2000 From: lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu (Ben Luey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21035] local delivery with sendmail Message-ID: To get sendmail to do local delivery for a virtual host, should I add the line in sendmail.cf DH hearingsociety.org I have hearingsociety.org in sendmail.cw and DM and it is working, but it seems not to be delivery locally, but queuing and then delivery correctly, I guess from a dns entry. (Still not sure) Thanks again, Ben --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mfleming at isd.net Wed Sep 6 14:44:28 2000 From: mfleming at isd.net (Michael Fleming) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21012] USWest DSL and local providers Message-ID: <39b69e9c.52be.0@isd.net> >Now that QWest has officially opened the pipe to 640 Kbps, are there any >providers in town (other than USWest.net) that will offer these speeds and >static IP's for residential customers? I just learned from a friend that visi.com will be upgrading this evening (9/6) to the full 640K, no additional charge to customers. Don't know what impact that has on static IP issue. I've sent an inquiry to my provider isd.net, but no response as of yet. -- Michael Fleming --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Bruce.Sielaff at iMcKesson.com Wed Sep 6 16:01:46 2000 From: Bruce.Sielaff at iMcKesson.com (Sielaff, Bruce) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21037] recognizing memory Message-ID: <06632EB02121D3118B7400A0C9EA050C0CA26E@mercury.abaton.com> I just installed linux (redhat 6.2 - kernel 2.2.14-6.1.1) on an old Gateway (P5-90) which has 80 MB of RAM (2-8MB and 2-32MB SIMs), but linux apparently only sees a portion of it: from /var/logs/dmesg: Memory: 13336K/15360K available (1080K kernel code, 412K reserved, 468K data, 64K init, 0K bigmem) I tried reversing the order of the SIMS, I tried removing the 8MB SIMs and only using the 32MB SIMs, but nothing changed. Just prior to installing linux, I had Windows NT running on the box and it claimed to see 77MB during bootup. Any idea what is going on here? How do I get linux to see all of the memory? I am new to linux, so maybe I am just overlooking something obvious. Thanks for any help. Bruce ---------------------------------------------- Bruce Sielaff iMcKesson 952-814-7143 Bruce.Sielaff@iMcKesson.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mfleming at isd.net Wed Sep 6 16:53:42 2000 From: mfleming at isd.net (Michael Fleming) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21012] USWest DSL and local providers Message-ID: <39b6bce6.5aa4.0@isd.net> >When my Cisco trains at 640/272, it >really causes problems with my POTS line. The volume is decreased a lot and >there is static on some of the phones in our house. This is not a >complaint - the upgrade is greatly anticipated. Really? I've not experienced such, and mine has trained at various levels over the last year (it originally trained in the 700's at the time it was installed about a year ago, was working at the advertised 256 for a while after that, and has probably been training at 640 for a few weeks now given earlier discussions on this list). So, I might look to see if you got some other issues to deal with? If we have 7mB to look forward to someday, I would hate to lose the ability to piggy-back on my existing POTS line. (How much power are you getting from the other end? I'm pretty close to the CO, so I'm getting ~39dB -- which may make all the difference.) -- Michael Fleming --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Wed Sep 6 18:22:41 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21039] Reminder Message-ID: <20000906182241.C26831@real-time.com> I am getting many posts to the tclug-list from addressess not subscribed to the list. The result is these message get rejected. If you want to post from an address not subscribed to the list, please send me email with the list of addresses you wish to post from. I'll add these addresses to the "allow" file. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Bruce.Sielaff at iMcKesson.com Wed Sep 6 18:26:39 2000 From: Bruce.Sielaff at iMcKesson.com (Sielaff, Bruce) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21040] recognizing memory Message-ID: <06632EB02121D3118B7400A0C9EA050C0CA274@mercury.abaton.com> > I just installed linux (redhat 6.2 - kernel 2.2.14-6.1.1) on an old > Gateway (P5-90) which has 80 MB of RAM (2-8MB and 2-32MB SIMs), but linux > apparently only sees a portion of it: > > from /var/logs/dmesg: > Memory: 13336K/15360K available (1080K kernel code, 412K reserved, 468K > data, 64K init, 0K bigmem) > > I tried reversing the order of the SIMS, I tried removing the 8MB SIMs and > only using the 32MB SIMs, but nothing changed. Just prior to installing > linux, I had Windows NT running on the box and it claimed to see 77MB > during bootup. > > Any idea what is going on here? How do I get linux to see all of the > memory? I am new to linux, so maybe I am just overlooking something > obvious. > > Thanks for any help. > > Bruce > > ---------------------------------------------- > Bruce Sielaff > iMcKesson 952-814-7143 > Bruce.Sielaff@iMcKesson.com > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From theixian at unrest.cx Wed Sep 6 18:45:41 2000 From: theixian at unrest.cx (The Ixian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21037] recognizing memory References: <06632EB02121D3118B7400A0C9EA050C0CA26E@mercury.abaton.com> Message-ID: <021101c0185c$90eccdb0$a87ad040@bridgecom.com> I believe that you just need to add this to your lilo.conf file: "append=80M" there is a problem with older BIOS's reporting memory above 64MB. "... it is easy to be blinded to the essential uselessness of them by the sense of achievement you get from getting them to work at all. In other words... their fundamental design flaws are completely hidden by their superficial design flaws." -- The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, on the products of the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sielaff, Bruce" To: "Twin City Linux Users Group (E-mail)" Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 4:01 PM Subject: [TCLUG:21037] recognizing memory : I just installed linux (redhat 6.2 - kernel 2.2.14-6.1.1) on an old Gateway : (P5-90) which has 80 MB of RAM (2-8MB and 2-32MB SIMs), but linux apparently : only sees a portion of it: : : from /var/logs/dmesg: : Memory: 13336K/15360K available (1080K kernel code, 412K reserved, 468K : data, 64K init, 0K bigmem) : : I tried reversing the order of the SIMS, I tried removing the 8MB SIMs and : only using the 32MB SIMs, but nothing changed. Just prior to installing : linux, I had Windows NT running on the box and it claimed to see 77MB during : bootup. : : Any idea what is going on here? How do I get linux to see all of the : memory? I am new to linux, so maybe I am just overlooking something : obvious. : : Thanks for any help. : : Bruce : : ---------------------------------------------- : Bruce Sielaff : iMcKesson 952-814-7143 : Bruce.Sielaff@iMcKesson.com : : : : CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is : for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential : and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or : distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please : contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original : message. : : --------------------------------------------------------------------- : To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org : For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org : --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Wed Sep 6 20:22:08 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21012] USWest DSL and local providers References: <39b6bce6.5aa4.0@isd.net> Message-ID: <008501c0186a$0a9aefe0$0100a8c0@veldy.net> I was getting 20 dB when trained at 640 and 27 dB when trained at 256. I can get an additional 7 dB if I go straight to the dmarc (sp?) and skip all the internal wiring in the house. It is irrelavent now, I just went live with a 1.5Mbps/384 Kbps line from Concentric/Covad. It rocks. I easily pull 120 KB/s from the good sites. It looks like USWest has taken the wrong approach to things :) Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Fleming" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21012] USWest DSL and local providers > >When my Cisco trains at 640/272, it > >really causes problems with my POTS line. The volume is decreased a lot and > > >there is static on some of the phones in our house. This is not a > >complaint - the upgrade is greatly anticipated. > > Really? I've not experienced such, and mine has trained at various levels over > the last year (it originally trained in the 700's at the time it was installed > about a year ago, was working at the advertised 256 for a while after that, > and has probably been training at 640 for a few weeks now given earlier discussions > on this list). So, I might look to see if you got some other issues to deal > with? If we have 7mB to look forward to someday, I would hate to lose the ability > to piggy-back on my existing POTS line. > > (How much power are you getting from the other end? I'm pretty close to the > CO, so I'm getting ~39dB -- which may make all the difference.) > -- > Michael Fleming > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net Wed Sep 6 21:49:23 2000 From: jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:20991] /var as Linear (append) In-Reply-To: Bob Tanner's message of "Wed, 6 Sep 2000 12:27:11 -0500" References: <20000905192238.H7829@real-time.com> <20000906122711.F7483@real-time.com> Message-ID: Did you try creating the filesystem with mke2fs like the man page suggests? Bob Tanner writes: > Quoting Nate Carlson (natecars@real-time.com): > > On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > Look more in-depth at the problem, I even see the RAID personalities being > > > registered with the kernel: > > > > > > md driver 0.36.6 MAX_MD_DEV=4, MAX_REAL=8 > > > linear personality registered > > > raid0 personality registered > > > raid1 personality registered > > > raid5 personality registered > > > > > > But then: > > > > > > Remounting root filesystem in read-write mode [ OK ] > > > Finding module dependencies [ OK ] > > > Starting up RAID devices: /dev/md0: Invalid argument > > > /dev/md0 must be a nonpersistent RAID0 or LINEAR array! > > > md0 > > > > Ah! An old style md array.. try starting it with 'raidstart /dev/md0' > > > > Well, /etc/rc.d/rc.sysint has this: > > if [ -z "$RAIDSTAT" ]; then > # Try raidstart first...if that fails then > # fall back to raidadd, raidrun. If that > # also fails, then we drop to a shell > RESULT=1 > if [ -x /sbin/raidstart ]; then > /sbin/raidstart $i > RESULT=$? > fi > if [ $RESULT -gt 0 -a -x /sbin/raid0run ]; then > /sbin/raid0run $i > RESULT=$? > fi > > So, it is trying raidstart first, but failing. > > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net Wed Sep 6 21:53:04 2000 From: jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21012] USWest DSL and local providers In-Reply-To: "Thomas T. Veldhouse"'s message of "Wed, 6 Sep 2000 20:22:08 -0500" References: <39b6bce6.5aa4.0@isd.net> <008501c0186a$0a9aefe0$0100a8c0@veldy.net> Message-ID: How much does this run you and how close do you have to be? "Thomas T. Veldhouse" writes: > I was getting 20 dB when trained at 640 and 27 dB when trained at 256. I > can get an additional 7 dB if I go straight to the dmarc (sp?) and skip all > the internal wiring in the house. It is irrelavent now, I just went live > with a 1.5Mbps/384 Kbps line from Concentric/Covad. It rocks. I easily > pull 120 KB/s from the good sites. It looks like USWest has taken the wrong > approach to things :) > -- Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Wed Sep 6 21:53:58 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21012] USWest DSL and local providers References: <39b6bce6.5aa4.0@isd.net> <008501c0186a$0a9aefe0$0100a8c0@veldy.net> Message-ID: <00ce01c01876$ded3bd80$0100a8c0@veldy.net> I am at 13500 feet and it costs me $89 a month. 4 static IP addresses as well. It is the Efficient Networks 5260 Telespeed Modem (bridge). I don't have any problem with the lack of a router because I put it all behind a firewall anyway (and I will use briding on it eventually to utilize all the IPs). Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Schewe" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 9:53 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21012] USWest DSL and local providers > How much does this run you and how close do you have to be? > > "Thomas T. Veldhouse" writes: > > > I was getting 20 dB when trained at 640 and 27 dB when trained at 256. I > > can get an additional 7 dB if I go straight to the dmarc (sp?) and skip all > > the internal wiring in the house. It is irrelavent now, I just went live > > with a 1.5Mbps/384 Kbps line from Concentric/Covad. It rocks. I easily > > pull 120 KB/s from the good sites. It looks like USWest has taken the wrong > > approach to things :) > > > > -- > Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Bruce.Sielaff at iMcKesson.com Wed Sep 6 22:00:29 2000 From: Bruce.Sielaff at iMcKesson.com (Sielaff, Bruce) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:21037] recognizing memory Message-ID: <06632EB02121D3118B7400A0C9EA050C0CA275@mercury.abaton.com> That didn't seem to do it. Is there a particular place in the lilo.conf file it needs to be? I tried it both in the global options section and in the image section. The results were the same as before in both cases. My lilo.conf: ======================== boot=/dev/hda map=/boot/map install=/boot/boot.b prompt timeout=50 linear default=linux image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.2.14-6.1.1 label=linux read-only append=80M root=/dev/hda7 =================== Other ideas? Thanks, Bruce -----Original Message----- From: The Ixian [mailto:theixian@unrest.cx] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 6:46 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21037] recognizing memory I believe that you just need to add this to your lilo.conf file: "append=80M" there is a problem with older BIOS's reporting memory above 64MB. "... it is easy to be blinded to the essential uselessness of them by the sense of achievement you get from getting them to work at all. In other words... their fundamental design flaws are completely hidden by their superficial design flaws." -- The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, on the products of the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sielaff, Bruce" To: "Twin City Linux Users Group (E-mail)" Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 4:01 PM Subject: [TCLUG:21037] recognizing memory : I just installed linux (redhat 6.2 - kernel 2.2.14-6.1.1) on an old Gateway : (P5-90) which has 80 MB of RAM (2-8MB and 2-32MB SIMs), but linux apparently : only sees a portion of it: : : from /var/logs/dmesg: : Memory: 13336K/15360K available (1080K kernel code, 412K reserved, 468K : data, 64K init, 0K bigmem) : : I tried reversing the order of the SIMS, I tried removing the 8MB SIMs and : only using the 32MB SIMs, but nothing changed. Just prior to installing : linux, I had Windows NT running on the box and it claimed to see 77MB during : bootup. : : Any idea what is going on here? How do I get linux to see all of the : memory? I am new to linux, so maybe I am just overlooking something : obvious. : : Thanks for any help. : : Bruce : : ---------------------------------------------- : Bruce Sielaff : iMcKesson 952-814-7143 : Bruce.Sielaff@iMcKesson.com : : : : CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is : for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential : and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or : distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please : contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original : message. : : --------------------------------------------------------------------- : To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org : For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org : --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From pope at ossuary.net Wed Sep 6 22:23:08 2000 From: pope at ossuary.net (Scott) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:21037] recognizing memory In-Reply-To: <06632EB02121D3118B7400A0C9EA050C0CA275@mercury.abaton.com> Message-ID: Right after the 'prompt' statement in your lilo.conf the tag you want to insert is append=mem=80M or whatever your memory actually is. That should work at the lilo prompt as well, but putting it in the conf file is the permanent solution. Scott -- ossuary.net -- "Time provides the rope, but love will tie the slipknot, and I will be the chair you kick away." -Magnetic Fields --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andy at theasis.com Wed Sep 6 17:50:13 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:21037] recognizing memory In-Reply-To: <06632EB02121D3118B7400A0C9EA050C0CA275@mercury.abaton.com> Message-ID: I seem to recall some old motherboards that required you to set jumpers indicating the amount of memory. However, I may be barking mad. Do you have a manual? If not, may be worth looking for old specs on gateway's web site. Andy On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Sielaff, Bruce wrote: > : I just installed linux (redhat 6.2 - kernel 2.2.14-6.1.1) on an old > Gateway > : (P5-90) which has 80 MB of RAM (2-8MB and 2-32MB SIMs), but linux > apparently > : only sees a portion of it: > : > : from /var/logs/dmesg: > : Memory: 13336K/15360K available (1080K kernel code, 412K reserved, 468K > : data, 64K init, 0K bigmem) > : > : I tried reversing the order of the SIMS, I tried removing the 8MB SIMs and > : only using the 32MB SIMs, but nothing changed. Just prior to installing > : linux, I had Windows NT running on the box and it claimed to see 77MB > during > : bootup. > : > : Any idea what is going on here? How do I get linux to see all of the > : memory? I am new to linux, so maybe I am just overlooking something > : obvious. > : > : Thanks for any help. > : > : Bruce > : > : ---------------------------------------------- > : Bruce Sielaff > : iMcKesson 952-814-7143 > : Bruce.Sielaff@iMcKesson.com > : > : > : > : CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, > is > : for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential > : and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or > : distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please > : contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original > : message. > : > : --------------------------------------------------------------------- > : To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > : For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > : > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is > for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential > and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or > distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please > contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original > message. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andy at theasis.com Wed Sep 6 17:51:26 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:21037] recognizing memory In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Don't you need quotes there? append="mem=80M" Andy > Right after the 'prompt' statement in your lilo.conf > the tag you want to insert is append=mem=80M or whatever > your memory actually is. That should work at the lilo > prompt as well, but putting it in the conf file is the > permanent solution. > > Scott --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Wed Sep 6 23:02:10 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21037] recognizing memory References: <06632EB02121D3118B7400A0C9EA050C0CA26E@mercury.abaton.com> <021101c0185c$90eccdb0$a87ad040@bridgecom.com> Message-ID: <39B71342.1D318C9B@tcfreenet.org> The Ixian wrote: > > I believe that you just need to add this to your lilo.conf file: > "append=80M" > > there is a problem with older BIOS's reporting memory above 64MB. I don't get why Linux has a problem and windows doesn't. Can't you at least brute force probe it... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mfleming at isd.net Wed Sep 6 23:12:16 2000 From: mfleming at isd.net (Michael Fleming) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:21012] USWest DSL and local providers In-Reply-To: <39b69e9c.52be.0@isd.net> Message-ID: <000201c01881$ce7fbe60$0201a8c0@private.network> > -----Original Message----- > From: mfleming@isd.net [mailto:mfleming@isd.net] > I've sent an inquiry to my provider isd.net, but no > response as of yet. Update as of late Weds: Response from isd.net Tech Services was, "We have just been notified of this change as well and are currently discussing our plan of action." ---------------------------------------------------- Michael Fleming (Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA) mfleming@isd.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Thu Sep 7 03:16:54 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21052] Distro Maintainer Message-ID: <20000907031654.A8772@real-time.com> I just sent email to all the people who said they are interested in being distro maintainers. If you did not get an email directly from me confirming your interest, please drop me email telling me I'm an idiot. :-0 If anyone else is interested in becoming a distro maintainer, please reference this url for more details: http://archives.real-time.com/tclug-list/2000/Aug/msg00817.html Thanks. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Thu Sep 7 03:26:34 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21037] recognizing memory References: Message-ID: <39B7513A.69870942@tcfreenet.org> andy@theasis.com wrote: > > I seem to recall some old motherboards that required you to set jumpers > indicating the amount of memory. However, I may be barking mad. Do you > have a manual? If not, may be worth looking for old specs on gateway's web > site. Thats like, 286 era stuff. Never seen anything 386 or newer that didn't autodetect RAM... But if the bios memory check sees it, thats not the problem. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cfandre at maddog.mn-linux.org Thu Sep 7 06:53:48 2000 From: cfandre at maddog.mn-linux.org (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21054] [Fwd: free company] Message-ID: <39B781CC.8C736E04@maddog.mn-linux.org> TonStanco@aol.com wrote: > > Your members may like to be involved in participating in Free > Developers, where we are building a free software company for the > world. We discuss the free company that will be owned and run by all > developers worldwide, democratically. All the software will be licensed > under the GPL. And the free company will pay developers to develop > free software. > > See http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2000-09-05-014-06-PR-CY for > more details. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cfandre at maddog.mn-linux.org Thu Sep 7 07:12:57 2000 From: cfandre at maddog.mn-linux.org (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21055] [Fwd: Windows ME Tour] Message-ID: <39B78649.B22AC15C@maddog.mn-linux.org> Thomas Chai wrote: > > Dear LUG's, > > Microsoft is coming to the shopping mall in your city to promote Windows > ME. Many of us think that this would be an opportune time for Linux > users to show our preferred choice by showing up to hand out free Linux > CD's. I have proposed to Linux Central to put up a new SKU so people > can purchase Linux CD's to be sent to the LUGs in the city of their > choices. The list of the cities for Windows ME tour is listed below as > well as the link to MSFT website. The SKU is not up yet, as I have to > coordinate with the user groups before Linux Central will take action. > > Would you please kindly let me know if people in your user group would > be interested in handling out the CD's at the mall, granted that it's OK > with the mall security? If possible, can you find out the feasibility > in your area? Thank you. > > I'll notify everyone as soon as Linux Central put up the SKU on their > website. > > Sincerely, > > Tom > > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsME/spotlight/mall.asp > > West > Sep 14-17, S.F, Sunvalley Mall > Sep 21-24, Seattle, Northgate Mall > Sep 28-Oct 1, Portland, OR, Chackamas Town Center > Oct 12-15, Los Angeles, Main Place/Santa Ana > Oct 19-22, San Diego, Westfield Shoppingtown North County Fair > Oct 26-29, Phoenix, Paradise Valley Mall > Nov 2-5, Denver, Cherry Creek Mall > Nov 9-12, Kansas City, Oak Park Mall > > Central > > Sep 14-17, Chicago, Woodfield > Sep 21-24, Ann Arbor, Briarwood Mall > Sep 28-Oct1, Minneapolis, Mall of America > Oct 5-8, Washington DC, Fashion Centre at Pentagon City > Oct 12-15, Baltimore, Marley Station > Oct 19-22, Pittsburgh, South Hills Village > Oct 26-29, Cleveland, SouthPark Center > Nov 2-5, Cincinnati, Kenwood Towne Center > Nov 9-12, Houston, The Woodlands > > East > > Sep 14-17, New York, Roosevelt Field > Sep 21-24, Boston, Burlington Mall > Sep28-Oct 1, Philly, The Court at King of Prussia > Oct 5-8, Miami, Aventura Mall > Oct 19-22, Tampa, Tyrone Square > Oct 26-29, Atlanta, Lenox Square > Nov 2-5, Dallas/FW, Collin Creek Mall > Nov 9-12, St. Louis, St. Louis Union Station -- Collective Technologies | Clay Fandre, cfandre@colltech.com A Pencom Company | Cell : (612) 719-4179 http://www.colltech.com | Pager: 1-800-946-4646 x1425289 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Bruce.Sielaff at iMcKesson.com Thu Sep 7 09:01:07 2000 From: Bruce.Sielaff at iMcKesson.com (Sielaff, Bruce) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:21037] recognizing memory Message-ID: <06632EB02121D3118B7400A0C9EA050C0CA276@mercury.abaton.com> Unfortunately, that didn't do it. It is still only seeing about 13MB. The BIOS check prior to booting does show 80MB, but for some reason isn't seeing all of it. Other ideas? Thanks, Bruce -----Original Message----- From: andy@theasis.com [mailto:andy@theasis.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 5:51 PM To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' Subject: RE: [TCLUG:21037] recognizing memory Don't you need quotes there? append="mem=80M" Andy > Right after the 'prompt' statement in your lilo.conf > the tag you want to insert is append=mem=80M or whatever > your memory actually is. That should work at the lilo > prompt as well, but putting it in the conf file is the > permanent solution. > > Scott --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Bruce.Sielaff at iMcKesson.com Thu Sep 7 09:02:24 2000 From: Bruce.Sielaff at iMcKesson.com (Sielaff, Bruce) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:21037] recognizing memory Message-ID: <06632EB02121D3118B7400A0C9EA050C0CA277@mercury.abaton.com> How do you do that (I'm new to linux)? Thanks, Bruce -----Original Message----- From: Callum Lerwick [mailto:lerwick@tcfreenet.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 11:02 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21037] recognizing memory The Ixian wrote: > > I believe that you just need to add this to your lilo.conf file: > "append=80M" > > there is a problem with older BIOS's reporting memory above 64MB. I don't get why Linux has a problem and windows doesn't. Can't you at least brute force probe it... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Sep 7 09:31:36 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21037] recognizing memory References: <06632EB02121D3118B7400A0C9EA050C0CA26E@mercury.abaton.com> Message-ID: <39B7A6C8.DA507523@tc.umn.edu> "Sielaff, Bruce" wrote: > > I just installed linux (redhat 6.2 - kernel 2.2.14-6.1.1) on an old Gateway > (P5-90) which has 80 MB of RAM (2-8MB and 2-32MB SIMs), but linux apparently > only sees a portion of it: > > from /var/logs/dmesg: > Memory: 13336K/15360K available (1080K kernel code, 412K reserved, 468K > data, 64K init, 0K bigmem) Hmm.. My best guess is that you have a setting in your BIOS turned on/off for OS/2-style memory use above 16 megs. Try toggling that back and forth to see if it changes anything. Also, you may want to try using a newer kernel. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I have an inferiority / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ complex. But it's not a \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) very good one. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Thu Sep 7 09:39:36 2000 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21037] recognizing memory In-Reply-To: <06632EB02121D3118B7400A0C9EA050C0CA276@mercury.abaton.com>; from Bruce.Sielaff@iMcKesson.com on Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 09:01:07AM -0500 References: <06632EB02121D3118B7400A0C9EA050C0CA276@mercury.abaton.com> Message-ID: <20000907093936.B11405@baker.space.umn.edu> On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 09:01:07AM -0500, Sielaff, Bruce wrote: > Unfortunately, that didn't do it. It is still only seeing about 13MB. The > BIOS check prior to booting does show 80MB, but for some reason isn't seeing > all of it. Well actually, linux is seeing about 15 Megs. From your previous message: > from /var/logs/dmesg: > Memory: 13336K/15360K available (1080K kernel code, 412K reserved, 468K > data, 64K init, 0K bigmem) The 13336K is the amount that will available to user processes, and 15360K is the total amount of memory seen by Linux (the difference is used by the various areas mentioned in parenthesis). It is especially odd that 15 Megs is seen - I would expect a power 2 Megs of memory to be seen if it were Bios problems. I have got a 486 with 16 Megs that gives: dmesg:Memory: 14740k/16384k available (848k kernel code, 408k reserved, 360k data, 28k init) > I tried reversing the order of the SIMS, I tried removing the 8MB SIMs and > only using the 32MB SIMs, but nothing changed. Just prior to installing > linux, I had Windows NT running on the box and it claimed to see 77MB during > bootup. I would also try pulling out the 32 Meg SIMMs and seeing what happens. Note exactly what the memory line from dmesg says (did you note what it said when you pulled the 8 Meg SIMMs?). It could also be that some of the memory is going bad, and Linux is pickier about it than NT. Try using memtest (its probably installed by default with Red Hat). I haven't used it much myself, but take a look at 'man memtest' - it seems pretty easy to use. -- Jim Crumley | crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From trammell at nitz.hep.umn.edu Thu Sep 7 02:22:02 2000 From: trammell at nitz.hep.umn.edu (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21037] recognizing memory Message-ID: <200009070722.CAA02944@nitz.hep.umn.edu> "Sielaff, Bruce" wrote: > > I just installed linux (redhat 6.2 - kernel 2.2.14-6.1.1) on an old Gateway > (P5-90) which has 80 MB of RAM (2-8MB and 2-32MB SIMs), but linux apparently > only sees a portion of it: > > from /var/logs/dmesg: > Memory: 13336K/15360K available (1080K kernel code, 412K reserved, 468K > data, 64K init, 0K bigmem) Sorry, I have to ask: you're running /sbin/lilo after changing the "append" line, right? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tim at tneu.visi.com Thu Sep 7 09:53:02 2000 From: tim at tneu.visi.com (tim) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21037] recognizing memory Message-ID: <20000907145302.CBD825CD@tneu.visi.com> I know on some old Compaqs under DOS/Windows, you had to add a /EISA to the Himem.sys command in order for windows to see more than 16MB. (despite the fact that these compaq machines were not, in fact EISA machines - the argument just caused DOS to probe for memory differently). I wonder if there is an argument to Linux to enable the same probing mechanism that himem.sys uses with the /eisa switch. The BIOS on these suckers would always see all the memory available, but DOS/Windows would never see anything over 16MB. (without the himem switch). You may want to confirm my theory with a DOS boot disk with mem.exe and himem.sys - see if it only recognizes 16MB from DOS, and see if it changes when you add a /eisa switch to himem.sys. > andy@theasis.com wrote: > > > > I seem to recall some old motherboards that required you to set jumpers > > indicating the amount of memory. However, I may be barking mad. Do you > > have a manual? If not, may be worth looking for old specs on gateway's web > > site. > > Thats like, 286 era stuff. Never seen anything 386 or newer that didn't > autodetect RAM... > > But if the bios memory check sees it, thats not the problem. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- What the president of the Motion Picture Association of America says about taking away your constitutional rights: "I'm rather jubilant now. What Judge Kaplan did was blow away every one of these brittle and fragile rebuttals. He threw out fair use; he threw out reverse engineering; he threw out linking." - Jack Valenti, president of the Motion Picture Association of America. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ______ _ __ "If you don't have the freedom to use what you / ' ) ) own - then you do not own anything." / o ______ / / _ . . No apologies to Jack Valenti or the MPAA / <_/ / / < / (_ Does anyone know about any free name servers and/or free domain name registry service ? I am trying to register a name and would like to host it on my box at home. As the world is moving towards freeness, I am pretty sure there has been some work done on this.(!) BTW, I am able to run nameserver on my own box can't I ? I have cable modem and freebsd 4.0 running. Apu ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From esper at sherohman.org Thu Sep 7 10:15:07 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21038] Free NS & name Registry In-Reply-To: <070900251.29538@209.98.84.145> from "isla0005@tc.umn.edu" at "Sep 7, 2000 08:12:19 am" Message-ID: isla0005@tc.umn.edu said: > BTW, I am able to run nameserver on my own box can't I ? > I have cable modem and freebsd 4.0 running. Technically, it's no problem, just so long as you have a static IP address. Register your box as a nameserver when you register your first domain and you'll be good to go. However, your cable company/ISP may frown on you doing so... -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Thu Sep 7 10:21:09 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (Gabe Turner (officer)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21038] Free NS & name Registry In-Reply-To: <070900251.29538@209.98.84.145>; from isla0005@tc.umn.edu on Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 08:12:19AM -0700 References: <070900251.29538@209.98.84.145> Message-ID: <20000907102108.C39501@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Since you have a cable modem (and therefore, very likely a dynamic IP address), try www.dyndns.org. Gabe On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 08:12:19AM -0700, isla0005@tc.umn.edu wrote: > > Does anyone know about any free name servers and/or free domain > name registry service ? I am trying to register a name and would > like to host it on my box at home. > As the world is moving towards freeness, I am pretty sure there > has been some work done on this.(!) > > BTW, I am able to run nameserver on my own box can't I ? > I have cable modem and freebsd 4.0 running. > > > Apu > > ----- > Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) > The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "I've been known to lie, but this here's a true story." - Narrator in "Big House Blues" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Thu Sep 7 10:23:11 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21038] Free NS & name Registry In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Notwork Solutions also /requires/ at least one secondary nameserver that carries a different IP from the primary. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, Dave Sherohman wrote: > isla0005@tc.umn.edu said: > > BTW, I am able to run nameserver on my own box can't I ? > > I have cable modem and freebsd 4.0 running. > > Technically, it's no problem, just so long as you have a static IP address. > Register your box as a nameserver when you register your first domain and > you'll be good to go. > > However, your cable company/ISP may frown on you doing so... > > -- > "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist > "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton > Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ > !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Thu Sep 7 11:02:28 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21066] Majordomo Question Message-ID: Does anybody on this list know how to configure majordomo to change the "From:" field from the actual sender to a list defined sender" For instance, change the From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" to From: "Some List Name" Thanks in advance, Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From isla0005 at tc.umn.edu Thu Sep 7 11:04:16 2000 From: isla0005 at tc.umn.edu (isla0005@tc.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: Re: [TCLUG:21038] Free NS & name Registry Message-ID: <070900251.32656@209.98.84.145> I am wondering how picky the Cable guys can get.. I am running the server for a little while with few of my friends as users logged in most of the time. We are not doing any spamming or mp3 upload/downloads or warez. Mostly running math apps. A good question comes in when I send mail to over thousands of people. I maintain a list and send emails with updates in every two/three months to all these folks. I use perl & sendmail to get it done. Will there be any problem in future doing this ? this is not spamming by definition as these people chose to recive emails. Can the cable company shut me down for this? Apu --- Original Message --- Dave Sherohman Wrote on Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:15:07 -0500 (CDT) ------------------ isla0005@tc.umn.edu said: > BTW, I am able to run nameserver on my own box can't I ? > I have cable modem and freebsd 4.0 running. Technically, it's no problem, just so long as you have a static IP address. Register your box as a nameserver when you register your first domain and you'll be good to go. However, your cable company/ISP may frown on you doing so... -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Thu Sep 7 11:04:43 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (Gabe Turner (officer)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21066] Majordomo Question In-Reply-To: ; from veldy@veldy.net on Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 11:02:28AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20000907110443.D39501@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Doesn't majordomo automatically change it to owner-listname@host? I'll dig around some of my majordomo listas and see. All of them come from owner-listname. Gabe On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 11:02:28AM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > Does anybody on this list know how to configure majordomo to change the > "From:" field from the actual sender to a list defined sender" > > For instance, change the > > From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" > > to > > From: "Some List Name" > > Thanks in advance, > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "I've been known to lie, but this here's a true story." - Narrator in "Big House Blues" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Thu Sep 7 11:09:23 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (Gabe Turner (officer)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21066] Majordomo Question In-Reply-To: <20000907110443.D39501@sorry.cs.umn.edu>; from dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu on Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 11:04:43AM -0500 References: <20000907110443.D39501@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20000907110923.A39950@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Hmm.. guess it just does a sendmail -f owner-listname, which changes the sender, but not the From field. Though, why do you want to change the from field? That's something you can do with most MUAs like Mutt and Pine. Also, if you want people to be able to reply to the list instead of the sender, you just make the lists address be the reply-to address. This can be set in your listname.config file. Gabe On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 11:04:43AM -0500, Gabe Turner (officer) wrote: > Doesn't majordomo automatically change it to owner-listname@host? > > I'll dig around some of my majordomo listas and see. All of them come from > owner-listname. > > Gabe > > On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 11:02:28AM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > Does anybody on this list know how to configure majordomo to change the > > "From:" field from the actual sender to a list defined sender" > > > > For instance, change the > > > > From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" > > > > to > > > > From: "Some List Name" > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Gabe Turner | X-President, > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > "I've been known to lie, but this here's a true story." > - Narrator in "Big House Blues" > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Let's take a closer look, shall we? What's this? AHHH! An ingrowned dunclaw! Disqualified!!!! Take him away!" -- Judge "YOW!! I spent months pushing in that dunclaw!!" -- George Liquor - Stimpy fails George Liquor in "Dog Show" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From esper at sherohman.org Thu Sep 7 11:10:25 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Re: [TCLUG:21038] Free NS & name Registry In-Reply-To: <070900251.32656@209.98.84.145> from "isla0005@tc.umn.edu" at "Sep 7, 2000 09:04:16 am" Message-ID: isla0005@tc.umn.edu said: > I am wondering how picky the Cable guys can get.. > I am running the server for a little while with few of my friends > as users logged in most of the time. We are not doing any spamming > or mp3 upload/downloads or warez. Mostly running math apps. Although they'd probably be upset about any complaints, I suspect that their main concern is bandwidth usage. You're presumably being charged a 'residential connection' rate, so they could conceivably object to anything that doesn't fit within (their idea of) normal 'residential' usage. > A good question comes in when I send mail to over thousands of > people. I maintain a list and send emails with updates in every > two/three months to all these folks. I use perl & sendmail to > get it done. Will there be any problem in future doing this ? If they have any automated anti-spam monitoring in place, this would have a good chance of being caught by it. > this is not spamming by definition as these people chose to recive > emails. Can the cable company shut me down for this? If you read the fine print, they can probably shut you down for anything they want. I suggest that you check with them (and also with your ISP if that's not your cable company) before doing anything involving setting up pulically- available services or bulk emailing. -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Thu Sep 7 11:12:03 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (Gabe Turner (officer)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Re: [TCLUG:21038] Free NS & name Registry In-Reply-To: <070900251.32656@209.98.84.145>; from isla0005@tc.umn.edu on Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 09:04:16AM -0700 References: <070900251.32656@209.98.84.145> Message-ID: <20000907111203.B39950@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Well, you can take your chances, but if you're going to be running a more high-profile domain, you should go colo. That way you can run whatever you want (though make sure it's secure or the ISP you're colocating with won't be too happy :) Gabe On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 09:04:16AM -0700, isla0005@tc.umn.edu wrote: > > > I am wondering how picky the Cable guys can get.. > I am running the server for a little while with few of my friends > as users logged in most of the time. We are not doing any spamming > or mp3 upload/downloads or warez. Mostly running math apps. > > A good question comes in when I send mail to over thousands of > people. I maintain a list and send emails with updates in every > two/three months to all these folks. I use perl & sendmail to > get it done. Will there be any problem in future doing this ? > this is not spamming by definition as these people chose to recive > emails. Can the cable company shut me down for this? > > > Apu > > --- Original Message --- > Dave Sherohman Wrote on > Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:15:07 -0500 (CDT) > ------------------ > isla0005@tc.umn.edu said: > > BTW, I am able to run nameserver on my own box can't I ? > > I have cable modem and freebsd 4.0 running. > > Technically, it's no problem, just so long as you have a static > IP address. > Register your box as a nameserver when you register your first > domain and > you'll be good to go. > > However, your cable company/ISP may frown on you doing so... > > -- > "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior > strategist > "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew > Alton > Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) > N+ o+ > !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G > e* h+ r++ y+ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > ----- > Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) > The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Let's take a closer look, shall we? What's this? AHHH! An ingrowned dunclaw! Disqualified!!!! Take him away!" -- Judge "YOW!! I spent months pushing in that dunclaw!!" -- George Liquor - Stimpy fails George Liquor in "Dog Show" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Thu Sep 7 11:16:49 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21066] Majordomo Question References: <20000907110443.D39501@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <024c01c018e7$07011f80$dd29680a@tgt.com> I want it so the list members do not know who sent the message in the first place. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Gabe Turner (officer) To: Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21066] Majordomo Question > Doesn't majordomo automatically change it to owner-listname@host? > > I'll dig around some of my majordomo listas and see. All of them come from > owner-listname. > > Gabe > > On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 11:02:28AM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > Does anybody on this list know how to configure majordomo to change the > > "From:" field from the actual sender to a list defined sender" > > > > For instance, change the > > > > From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" > > > > to > > > > From: "Some List Name" > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > Gabe Turner | X-President, > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > "I've been known to lie, but this here's a true story." > - Narrator in "Big House Blues" > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Bruce.Sielaff at iMcKesson.com Thu Sep 7 11:21:54 2000 From: Bruce.Sielaff at iMcKesson.com (Sielaff, Bruce) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:21037] recognizing memory Message-ID: <06632EB02121D3118B7400A0C9EA050C0CA279@mercury.abaton.com> Red face! I forgot to run lilo after making the change. I will try that tonight when I get home. I did mention that I am a newbie. Bruce -----Original Message----- From: John J. Trammell [mailto:trammell@nitz.hep.umn.edu] Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 2:22 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21037] recognizing memory "Sielaff, Bruce" wrote: > > I just installed linux (redhat 6.2 - kernel 2.2.14-6.1.1) on an old Gateway > (P5-90) which has 80 MB of RAM (2-8MB and 2-32MB SIMs), but linux apparently > only sees a portion of it: > > from /var/logs/dmesg: > Memory: 13336K/15360K available (1080K kernel code, 412K reserved, 468K > data, 64K init, 0K bigmem) Sorry, I have to ask: you're running /sbin/lilo after changing the "append" line, right? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From natecars at real-time.com Thu Sep 7 11:25:47 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21012] USWest DSL and local providers In-Reply-To: <036801c0183b$8dfcb5a0$dd29680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > Yeah, I just read it in Visi.general. They are doing the upgrade at > midnight tonight. Sounds cool to me. When my Cisco trains at 640/272, it > really causes problems with my POTS line. The volume is decreased a lot and > there is static on some of the phones in our house. This is not a > complaint - the upgrade is greatly anticipated. Even with all the filters? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Thu Sep 7 11:29:32 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21012] USWest DSL and local providers References: Message-ID: <026501c018e8$cdd0daf0$dd29680a@tgt.com> Yep - even with the filters. Sometimes it gets so bad that I can't here anybody on the other end of the line - and they can't here me. I happens on every one of our phones - all decent quality phones - remotes. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Nate Carlson To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 11:25 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21012] USWest DSL and local providers > On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > Yeah, I just read it in Visi.general. They are doing the upgrade at > > midnight tonight. Sounds cool to me. When my Cisco trains at 640/272, it > > really causes problems with my POTS line. The volume is decreased a lot and > > there is static on some of the phones in our house. This is not a > > complaint - the upgrade is greatly anticipated. > > Even with all the filters? > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Thu Sep 7 11:42:51 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (Gabe Turner (officer)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21066] Majordomo Question In-Reply-To: <024c01c018e7$07011f80$dd29680a@tgt.com>; from veldy@veldy.net on Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 11:16:49AM -0500 References: <20000907110443.D39501@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <024c01c018e7$07011f80$dd29680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <20000907114251.A94356@acm.cs.umn.edu> Well, if you look in the majordomo.cf file, it says that you can set the mailer (I think it's the $mailer var) to a mailer that supports resetting the from line. Then you need to define the $from variable and then figure out the command-line switch for said mailer that allows you to change the from field. Fun, eh? :) No one said majordomo would make it easy. I think this is the reason that many people tend to go with mailman and such. Though, majordomo is a very power remailer, IMHO. I use it exclusively, but that's just me. Gabe On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 11:16:49AM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > I want it so the list members do not know who sent the message in the first > place. > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gabe Turner (officer) > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 11:04 AM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21066] Majordomo Question > > > > Doesn't majordomo automatically change it to owner-listname@host? > > > > I'll dig around some of my majordomo listas and see. All of them come > from > > owner-listname. > > > > Gabe > > > > On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 11:02:28AM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > Does anybody on this list know how to configure majordomo to change the > > > "From:" field from the actual sender to a list defined sender" > > > > > > For instance, change the > > > > > > From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" > > > > > > to > > > > > > From: "Some List Name" > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > > Gabe Turner | X-President, > > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery > > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota > > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > > > "I've been known to lie, but this here's a true story." > > - Narrator in "Big House Blues" > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Wanna buy a rubber walrus protector?!" - Mr. Horse in "Rubber Nipple Salesmen" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Thu Sep 7 11:45:01 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21077] Windows vs Linux Message-ID: <20000907114501.D1556@real-time.com> > > Dear LUG's, > > > > Microsoft is coming to the shopping mall in your city to promote Windows > > ME. Many of us think that this would be an opportune time for Linux > > users to show our preferred choice by showing up to hand out free Linux > > CD's. I have proposed to Linux Central to put up a new SKU so people > > can purchase Linux CD's to be sent to the LUGs in the city of their > > choices. The list of the cities for Windows ME tour is listed below as > > well as the link to MSFT website. The SKU is not up yet, as I have to > > coordinate with the user groups before Linux Central will take action. > > > > Sep 28-Oct1, Minneapolis, Mall of America Hahahah! This is way to funny! Should we do something officially? Ie get members to hand out cds? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Thu Sep 7 11:59:33 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21066] Majordomo Question References: <20000907110443.D39501@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <024c01c018e7$07011f80$dd29680a@tgt.com> <20000907114251.A94356@acm.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <02e701c018ec$ff20c4e0$dd29680a@tgt.com> That solution will be global - I want the scope reduced to list specific. I may have to alter the perl code - except I can not claim fluency in perl and so far have had no luck. I keep trying to alter resend - but I seem to be missing where this is set. I need a way to debug the variables without totally messing things up :( Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Gabe Turner (officer) To: Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21066] Majordomo Question > Well, if you look in the majordomo.cf file, it says that you can set the > mailer (I think it's the $mailer var) to a mailer that supports resetting > the from line. Then you need to define the $from variable and then figure > out the command-line switch for said mailer that allows you to change the > from field. Fun, eh? :) No one said majordomo would make it easy. I think > this is the reason that many people tend to go with mailman and such. > Though, majordomo is a very power remailer, IMHO. I use it exclusively, but > that's just me. > > Gabe > > On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 11:16:49AM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > I want it so the list members do not know who sent the message in the first > > place. > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Gabe Turner (officer) > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 11:04 AM > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21066] Majordomo Question > > > > > > > Doesn't majordomo automatically change it to owner-listname@host? > > > > > > I'll dig around some of my majordomo listas and see. All of them come > > from > > > owner-listname. > > > > > > Gabe > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 11:02:28AM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > > Does anybody on this list know how to configure majordomo to change the > > > > "From:" field from the actual sender to a list defined sender" > > > > > > > > For instance, change the > > > > > > > > From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > From: "Some List Name" > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > -- > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------ > > > Gabe Turner | X-President, > > > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery > > > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota > > > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > > > > > "I've been known to lie, but this here's a true story." > > > - Narrator in "Big House Blues" > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------ > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > Gabe Turner | X-President, > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > "Wanna buy a rubber walrus protector?!" > - Mr. Horse in "Rubber Nipple Salesmen" > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mosterlie at visi.com Thu Sep 7 11:18:05 2000 From: mosterlie at visi.com (Michael Osterlie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21038] Free NS & name Registry In-Reply-To: ; from adamm@sihope.com on Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 10:23:11AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20000907111805.A29655@visi.com> * Adam Maloney (adamm@sihope.com) [000907 10:40]: > Notwork Solutions also /requires/ at least one secondary nameserver that > carries a different IP from the primary. > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, Dave Sherohman wrote: > > > isla0005@tc.umn.edu said: > > > BTW, I am able to run nameserver on my own box can't I ? > > > I have cable modem and freebsd 4.0 running. If their equipment didn't just have a failure, you can get free DNS service through www.granitecanyon.com. Once they get their service back up (their DNS servers are up, but the site just has a message about the failures), you can get secondary service through them. -- Michael Osterlie mosterlie@visi.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Thu Sep 7 12:16:16 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21080] SGI Visual Workstations Message-ID: <20000907121616.G15700@real-time.com> since someone was asking yesterday, I found that Ars Technica had a review of them a year or more ago. http://www.arstechnica.com/reviews/1q99/sgivw.html they sound very sexy, tho. :) a boot PROM instead of a BIOS, a crossbar switch instead of a shared bus, and 2 64-bit PCI slots... Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blayer at uswest.net Thu Sep 7 12:18:54 2000 From: blayer at uswest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21077] Windows vs Linux In-Reply-To: <20000907114501.D1556@real-time.com> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000907121659.00a46f00@pop.mpls.uswest.net> Hiya, > > > Sep 28-Oct1, Minneapolis, Mall of America > >Hahahah! This is way to funny! > >Should we do something officially? Ie get members to hand out cds? Hey, this would be one way to get me to "hang out at the mall". I wonder how the MS trolls will react. lol. So anyway, I'm game. PS Do I get a T-Shirt this time? :p Bill --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Thu Sep 7 12:21:21 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21077] Windows vs Linux In-Reply-To: <20000907114501.D1556@real-time.com> Message-ID: ROFLOL!!!!!!!!! where did you get that from? sure.. I"m up for dumping $20 into some cheapbytes CD's and handing them out. I wonder if my boss would let me have time off for it. :) $2 each for corel linux CD's sounds like a good idea to me Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > Dear LUG's, > > > > > > Microsoft is coming to the shopping mall in your city to promote Windows > > > ME. Many of us think that this would be an opportune time for Linux > > > users to show our preferred choice by showing up to hand out free Linux > > > CD's. I have proposed to Linux Central to put up a new SKU so people > > > can purchase Linux CD's to be sent to the LUGs in the city of their > > > choices. The list of the cities for Windows ME tour is listed below as > > > well as the link to MSFT website. The SKU is not up yet, as I have to > > > coordinate with the user groups before Linux Central will take action. > > > > > > Sep 28-Oct1, Minneapolis, Mall of America > > Hahahah! This is way to funny! > > Should we do something officially? Ie get members to hand out cds? > > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Thu Sep 7 12:41:05 2000 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21077] Windows vs Linux In-Reply-To: ; from ben@nerp.net on Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 12:21:21PM -0500 References: <20000907114501.D1556@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20000907124105.A12374@baker.space.umn.edu> On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 12:21:21PM -0500, Ben Kochie wrote: > ROFLOL!!!!!!!!! where did you get that from? > > sure.. I"m up for dumping $20 into some cheapbytes CD's and handing them > out. I wonder if my boss would let me have time off for it. :) > $2 each for corel linux CD's sounds like a good idea to me Well, I was looking for something to do with all of those free after rebate CD-Rs I just got. I definitely be willing to donate a bunch. Plus, I'm always looking for excuses to burn some of the U's bandwidth ... -- Jim Crumley | crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu Thu Sep 7 12:27:59 2000 From: lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu (Ben Luey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21077] Windows vs Linux (free cds) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > sure.. I"m up for dumping $20 into some cheapbytes CD's and handing them > out. I wonder if my boss would let me have time off for it. :) > $2 each for corel linux CD's sounds like a good idea to me Also, you can get free linux distro (mandrake, redhat and debian) CDs from the site below. Limit for 4 per address per week, though. http://www.pogolinux.com/systems/accessories/linux/linuxcd.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Thu Sep 7 12:52:51 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21077] Windows vs Linux In-Reply-To: <20000907124105.A12374@baker.space.umn.edu>; from crumley@belka.space.umn.edu on Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 12:41:05PM -0500 References: <20000907114501.D1556@real-time.com> <20000907124105.A12374@baker.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20000907125251.X1556@real-time.com> Quoting Jim Crumley (crumley@belka.space.umn.edu): > On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 12:21:21PM -0500, Ben Kochie wrote: > > ROFLOL!!!!!!!!! where did you get that from? > > > > sure.. I"m up for dumping $20 into some cheapbytes CD's and handing them > > out. I wonder if my boss would let me have time off for it. :) > > $2 each for corel linux CD's sounds like a good idea to me > > Well, I was looking for something to do with all of those free > after rebate CD-Rs I just got. I definitely be willing to donate > a bunch. Plus, I'm always looking for excuses to burn some of > the U's bandwidth ... > Bring them here to Real Time, we got 3 CD burners and we can burn a bunch with the TCLUG label on them? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jasonj at innominatus.com Thu Sep 7 13:01:39 2000 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21077] Windows vs Linux References: <20000907114501.D1556@real-time.com> Message-ID: <39B7D803.820737E0@innominatus.com> I would love to hand out Debian CD's. Bob Tanner wrote: > > > Dear LUG's, > > > > > > Microsoft is coming to the shopping mall in your city to promote Windows > > > ME. Many of us think that this would be an opportune time for Linux > > > users to show our preferred choice by showing up to hand out free Linux > > > CD's. I have proposed to Linux Central to put up a new SKU so people > > > can purchase Linux CD's to be sent to the LUGs in the city of their > > > choices. The list of the cities for Windows ME tour is listed below as > > > well as the link to MSFT website. The SKU is not up yet, as I have to > > > coordinate with the user groups before Linux Central will take action. > > > > > > Sep 28-Oct1, Minneapolis, Mall of America > > Hahahah! This is way to funny! > > Should we do something officially? Ie get members to hand out cds? > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From theixian at unrest.cx Thu Sep 7 13:21:55 2000 From: theixian at unrest.cx (The Ixian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21037] recognizing memory References: <06632EB02121D3118B7400A0C9EA050C0CA277@mercury.abaton.com> Message-ID: <02f801c018f8$80fa3090$a87ad040@bridgecom.com> open your lilo.conf file (/etc/lilo.conf under slackware) in a text editor. add [append="mem=80M"] to the top of the file. save. type "lilo" at the prompt. reboot : How do you do that (I'm new to linux)? : : Thanks, : Bruce : : : -----Original Message----- : From: Callum Lerwick [mailto:lerwick@tcfreenet.org] : Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 11:02 PM : To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org : Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21037] recognizing memory : : : The Ixian wrote: : > : > I believe that you just need to add this to your lilo.conf file: : > "append=80M" : > : > there is a problem with older BIOS's reporting memory above 64MB. : : I don't get why Linux has a problem and windows doesn't. Can't you at : least brute force probe it... : : --------------------------------------------------------------------- : To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org : For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org : : : CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is : for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential : and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or : distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please : contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original : message. : : --------------------------------------------------------------------- : To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org : For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org : --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From esper at sherohman.org Thu Sep 7 13:29:05 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21037] recognizing memory In-Reply-To: <02f801c018f8$80fa3090$a87ad040@bridgecom.com> from The Ixian at "Sep 7, 2000 01:21:55 pm" Message-ID: The Ixian said: > open your lilo.conf file (/etc/lilo.conf under slackware) in a text editor. > add [append="mem=80M"] to the top of the file. save. type "lilo" at the > prompt. reboot If you start having odd problems after doing this, change the mem=80M to mem=79M, run lilo, and reboot again. (Some BIOSes need to have a MB set aside for their own usage, others will take the chunk out on their own.) -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blayer at uswest.net Thu Sep 7 14:02:14 2000 From: blayer at uswest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21089] Right way to handle USB In-Reply-To: <20000907114501.D1556@real-time.com> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000907135251.00a24530@pop.mpls.uswest.net> I installed a 2.4.0 kernel with USB support last evening, and it seems to be working fine so far. However, after getting things set-up it was apparent that Joe User did not have rights to read & write the /dev/ttyUSBx devices. The /dev/ttyUSBx devices are all owned by root, and the group tty. To give Joe User access to the USB, I made him a member of group tty which worked fine. Also, chmod 766 /dev/ttyUSB* gave the same results, but obviously I did not have to add Joe User to group tty... So which is the correct way to do this? Should I be making random users members of group tty as needed, or should I just chmod the /dev/ttyUSBx to allow any user permission at any time? Is there any inherent risk to stability or security making random users members of group tty? IS there a risk by opening up the permissions to the /dev/ttyUSBx ? Thanks, Bill. PS Boy was I surprised to find the Handspring Visor driver built right in to 2.4.0, but still no ppSCSI drivers for things like the Trantor T-348 etc... Thought that ppSCSI was merged with the development source? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Thu Sep 7 14:16:26 2000 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21077] Windows vs Linux In-Reply-To: <20000907125251.X1556@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 12:52:51PM -0500 References: <20000907114501.D1556@real-time.com> <20000907124105.A12374@baker.space.umn.edu> <20000907125251.X1556@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20000907141626.A12559@baker.space.umn.edu> On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 12:52:51PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Jim Crumley (crumley@belka.space.umn.edu): > > On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 12:21:21PM -0500, Ben Kochie wrote: > > > ROFLOL!!!!!!!!! where did you get that from? > > > > > > sure.. I"m up for dumping $20 into some cheapbytes CD's and handing them > > > out. I wonder if my boss would let me have time off for it. :) > > > $2 each for corel linux CD's sounds like a good idea to me > > > > Well, I was looking for something to do with all of those free > > after rebate CD-Rs I just got. I definitely be willing to donate > > a bunch. Plus, I'm always looking for excuses to burn some of > > the U's bandwidth ... > > > > Bring them here to Real Time, we got 3 CD burners and we can burn a bunch with > the TCLUG label on them? > Sounds good. It seems like there a bunch of details to work out that would be best worked out at a meeting: 1. Are we going to do this? 2. When are we going to do it? 3. Who can help out? 4. What disto(s) should we hand out? How many CDs do we want? 5. Do we have to get an OK from the Mall of America? Who'll do that? Etc., etc. So, is a meeting going to happen soon? -- Jim Crumley | crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mikeg at tcamerican.com Thu Sep 7 14:16:34 2000 From: mikeg at tcamerican.com (Mike Glaser) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21091] Problem: No networking at boot time Message-ID: <39B7A342.25578.16B75EE@localhost> I am having a weird network problem I cannot figure out. Hopefully the fix is simple. I have a brand new fresh install of RedHat 6.2. When going through the setup I was NOT asked about setting up a network. I guess it could not detect that I had a network card installed... but I do. I was hoping kudzu would detect it at boot time, but it did not. I went through linuxconf to set up eth0 and everything looked fine. I rebooted, and nothing came up. I recieved a message that said something like 'bringing up eth0 : Delaying initialization of eth0' or something similar to that. If I manually load the module with the following: 'insmod /lib/modules/2.2.14-5.0/net/3c509.o' the module will load. Then I type '/etc/rc.d/init.d/network restart' I get exactly the following: 'Bringing up interace eth0 eth0: Setting Rx mode to 1 addresses.' At this point ifconfig shows that eth0 is running, and the card seems to function normally. When I reboot, all is lost and I need to go through all of this again. I am getting the feeling that somehow an 'alias' (I think that is what it is called -- meaning two IP addresses for one interface) for eth0 may be set up. If that is the case, I must have inadvertently done that when trying to set up the card the first time. This isn't what I want. Question: What do I have to do to get this card to funtion properly at boot time without having to throw a bunch of commands into my rc.local file? Thanks, Mike Glaser --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Sep 7 14:34:00 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21091] Problem: No networking at boot time In-Reply-To: <39B7A342.25578.16B75EE@localhost> Message-ID: Hi, On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, Mike Glaser wrote: > Question: What do I have to do to get this card to funtion properly at boot > time without having to throw a bunch of commands into my rc.local file? Well, if you want kudzu to do something, you can remove the card, reboot, and then put it back in. That way kudzu will remove it and then 'reinstall' it. Check 'dmesg' to see if the kernel sees the right kind of card. If you think you made some mistaken configurations, try running 'netconf' or 'netconfig' or 'netcfg' under X to redo them. -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Thu Sep 7 14:36:45 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21093] Sony Vaio and System Recovery CDs Message-ID: <20000907143645.M1556@real-time.com> I just got a lovely new Sony Vaio laptop and I want to wipe W2K and install linux. But I want to keep a small part of W2K so I can watch DVDs on my box. :-) But all the drivers are on the System Recovery CD. Anyone know if the System Recovery CD will wipe everything? That is what happens with my Nec Versa when you use the recovery cd. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kent at structural-wood.com Thu Sep 7 14:38:47 2000 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21091] Problem: No networking at boot time References: <39B7A342.25578.16B75EE@localhost> Message-ID: <39B7EEC7.EDCA06A6@structural-wood.com> Mike Glaser wrote: > I am having a weird network problem I cannot figure out. Hopefully the fix is > simple. > > I have a brand new fresh install of RedHat 6.2. When going through the setup > I was NOT asked about setting up a network. I guess it could not detect that I > had a network card installed... but I do. > > I was hoping kudzu would detect it at boot time, but it did not. I went through > linuxconf to set up eth0 and everything looked fine. I rebooted, and nothing > came up. > > I recieved a message that said something like 'bringing up eth0 : Delaying > initialization of eth0' or something similar to that. > > If I manually load the module with the following: > 'insmod /lib/modules/2.2.14-5.0/net/3c509.o' > the module will load. Then I type '/etc/rc.d/init.d/network restart' > I get exactly the following: > 'Bringing up interace eth0 eth0: Setting Rx mode to 1 addresses.' > > At this point ifconfig shows that eth0 is running, and the card seems to > function normally. When I reboot, all is lost and I need to go through all of > this again. I am getting the feeling that somehow an 'alias' (I think that is what > it is called -- meaning two IP addresses for one interface) for eth0 may be set > up. If that is the case, I must have inadvertently done that when trying to set > up the card the first time. This isn't what I want. > > Question: What do I have to do to get this card to funtion properly at boot > time without having to throw a bunch of commands into my rc.local file? > > Thanks, > Mike Glaser Have you added an eth0 entry in conf.modules? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From zibby at ringworld.org Thu Sep 7 14:56:58 2000 From: zibby at ringworld.org (Andrew S. Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21091] Problem: No networking at boot time In-Reply-To: <39B7A342.25578.16B75EE@localhost> Message-ID: 1> What kind of network card are you dealing with? 2> Put the module name (3c509) in /etc/modules (In debian, if you want a module to load at boot time, this is what you do. If it's not the same in RedHat, somebody speak up. I keep my nic and sound drivers in there, and a few others the I should just compile in since I never remove them from my kernel. =) 3> Make sure the module is installed (modprobe 3c509) 4> Configure network. 5> Verift that network is working. 6> Reboot, and make sure network is working. 7> In not working, ask for more help. If working, you're done. | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | | "If there's anything more important than my | | ego around, I want it caught and shot now." | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From drew at usfamily.net Thu Sep 7 15:01:32 2000 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21077] Windows vs Linux References: <20000907114501.D1556@real-time.com> <20000907124105.A12374@baker.space.umn.edu> <20000907125251.X1556@real-time.com> <20000907141626.A12559@baker.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <39B7F41C.AD8383E2@usfamily.net> Also I would be nice if we could prepare some type of simplistic installation instructions that would fit on one or two pages of paper. Because not everyone will want to look for the instalation instructions. So perhaps we could have some basic instructions and then tell them where they ca get mor info. And do that for each distribution handed out. It seems like there a bunch of details to work out that would be best worked out at a meeting: 1. Are we going to do this? 2. When are we going to do it? 3. Who can help out? 4. What disto(s) should we hand out? How many CDs do we want? 5. Do we have to get an OK from the Mall of America? Who'll do that? Etc., etc. So, is a meeting going to happen soon? ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From zibby at ringworld.org Thu Sep 7 15:00:49 2000 From: zibby at ringworld.org (Andrew S. Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21093] Sony Vaio and System Recovery CDs In-Reply-To: <20000907143645.M1556@real-time.com> Message-ID: Stick your cd in while you're running win2k. See what options are there. You might just want to grab partition magic and not wipe win2k at all, just resize it's partition. (If PartitionMagic supports NTFS5 nowdays...) Or you could get a small removable drive for Windows. My experience with Recovery CD's is that they like to restore the machine to its factory settings. You might be able to do a driver restore though... | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | | "If there's anything more important than my | | ego around, I want it caught and shot now." | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From theixian at unrest.cx Thu Sep 7 15:21:19 2000 From: theixian at unrest.cx (The Ixian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21089] Right way to handle USB References: <4.2.2.20000907135251.00a24530@pop.mpls.uswest.net> Message-ID: <039c01c01909$2eefa030$a87ad040@bridgecom.com> I have had this problem in the past with other devices (like sound; /dev/dsp) and I just change the group to users (or some group that qualified users have access to) and change permissions if necessary to allow that group. I believe this is the easiest way to do it as you will not ever have to give anyone permissions that they should not need/have. : I installed a 2.4.0 kernel with USB support last evening, and it seems to : be working fine so far. However, after getting things set-up it was : apparent that Joe User did not have rights to read & write the /dev/ttyUSBx : devices. The /dev/ttyUSBx devices are all owned by root, and the group tty. : : To give Joe User access to the USB, I made him a member of group tty which : worked fine. Also, chmod 766 /dev/ttyUSB* gave the same results, but : obviously I did not have to add Joe User to group tty... : : So which is the correct way to do this? Should I be making random users : members of group tty as needed, or should I just chmod the /dev/ttyUSBx to : allow any user permission at any time? Is there any inherent risk to : stability or security making random users members of group tty? IS there a : risk by opening up the permissions to the /dev/ttyUSBx ? : : Thanks, Bill. : : PS Boy was I surprised to find the Handspring Visor driver built right in : to 2.4.0, but still no ppSCSI drivers for things like the Trantor T-348 : etc... Thought that ppSCSI was merged with the development source? : : : --------------------------------------------------------------------- : To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org : For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org : --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From linux at bmetzler.org Thu Sep 7 15:22:37 2000 From: linux at bmetzler.org (linux@bmetzler.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21077] Windows vs Linux In-Reply-To: <20000907114501.D1556@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > Dear LUG's, > > > > > > Microsoft is coming to the shopping mall in your city to promote Windows > > > ME. Many of us think that this would be an opportune time for Linux > > > users to show our preferred choice by showing up to hand out free Linux > > > CD's. I have proposed to Linux Central to put up a new SKU so people > > > can purchase Linux CD's to be sent to the LUGs in the city of their > > > choices. The list of the cities for Windows ME tour is listed below as > > > well as the link to MSFT website. The SKU is not up yet, as I have to > > > coordinate with the user groups before Linux Central will take action. > > > > > > Sep 28-Oct1, Minneapolis, Mall of America > > Hahahah! This is way to funny! > > Should we do something officially? Ie get members to hand out cds? The fllux group will probably have a meeting Saturday the 30th. If you plan on doing anything, let me know and we'll probably meet down there. -Brent --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From isla0005 at tc.umn.edu Thu Sep 7 15:59:21 2000 From: isla0005 at tc.umn.edu (isla0005@tc.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21078] Untar Question Message-ID: <070900251.50359@209.98.84.145> Although this problem more relates to FreeBSD I am pretty sure someone knows the answer: I do not have untar installed and I don't have any other app which can untar. Untar is not included in freebsd ports collection (why!). I didn't know how to install untar in my sytem except using the ports directory and having a lot of pain now a days to untar files. Any help appreciated. Apu ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jack at jacku.com Thu Sep 7 15:19:17 2000 From: jack at jacku.com (jack@jacku.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21093] Sony Vaio and System Recovery CDs Message-ID: <20000907201917.24123.cpmta@c017.sfo.cp.net> I would guess you might be safe. Since the Win2K Setup won't recognize a ext2 partition you should be able to partition, install linux and then "recover" Win2K to the remaining partition. One thing you might want to do is create the Win2K "target" as a FAT32 partition and format it. That way it'll find a valid, empty partition to install to. [Note: This is a speculation. I have not installed Win2K or attempted recovery on a Sony Laptop. Use suggestions at your own risk! 8^)] Jack On Thu, 07 September 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > > I just got a lovely new Sony Vaio laptop and I want to wipe W2K and install > linux. But I want to keep a small part of W2K so I can watch DVDs on my box. :-) > But all the drivers are on the System Recovery CD. > > Anyone know if the System Recovery CD will wipe everything? > > That is what happens with my Nec Versa when you use the recovery cd. > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org Jack Ungerleider - The Ungerleider Group Creative Solutions for Cooperative Computing jack@jacku.com www.jacku.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From zibby at ringworld.org Thu Sep 7 16:05:36 2000 From: zibby at ringworld.org (Andrew S. Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21078] Untar Question In-Reply-To: <070900251.50359@209.98.84.145> Message-ID: tar xvf tarfile.tar x - eXtract v - be verbose f - file I - filter through bzip2 z - filter through gunzip Z - filter through uncompress (ewww) Unless FreeBSD uses a completely different version of tar... | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | | "If there's anything more important than my | | ego around, I want it caught and shot now." | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Thu Sep 7 16:06:43 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21093] Sony Vaio and System Recovery CDs In-Reply-To: <20000907201917.24123.cpmta@c017.sfo.cp.net>; from jack@jacku.com on Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 01:19:17PM -0700 References: <20000907201917.24123.cpmta@c017.sfo.cp.net> Message-ID: <20000907160643.P1556@real-time.com> Quoting jack@jacku.com (jack@jacku.com): > I would guess you might be safe. Since the Win2K Setup won't recognize a ext2 > partition you should be able to partition, install linux and then "recover" > Win2K to the remaining partition. One thing you might want to do is create the > Win2K "target" as a FAT32 partition and format it. That way it'll find a > valid, empty partition to install to. Good call. I just risked it. :-) Anywas the recovery cd detected a different partition layout and said Do you want to delete current disk layout and install? N Installing on first partition........ First partition is the FAT32 partition I created with fdisk. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Sep 7 16:07:43 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21078] Untar Question In-Reply-To: <070900251.50359@209.98.84.145> Message-ID: Hi, On Thu, 7 Sep 2000 isla0005@tc.umn.edu wrote: > I do not have untar installed and I don't have any other app > which can untar. Untar is not included in freebsd ports collection > (why!). I didn't know how to install untar in my sytem except > using the ports directory and having a lot of pain now a days > to untar files. I've never even heard of 'untar', and would guess it's just a symlink to 'tar'... there's no 'untar' on any of my Linux or FreeBSD boxes. To extract a tar file, type 'tar xvf file.tar'. Or 'tar zxvf file.tar.gz' -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Thu Sep 7 16:18:03 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21038] Free NS & name Registry In-Reply-To: <20000907102108.C39501@sorry.cs.umn.edu>; from dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu on Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 10:21:09AM -0500 References: <070900251.29538@209.98.84.145> <20000907102108.C39501@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20000907161803.B25108@ringworld.org> I have a nifty tool that i created in perl that works really nice if you control the ns box. Let me know if you need it. * Gabe Turner (officer) [000907 10:21]: > Since you have a cable modem (and therefore, very likely a dynamic IP > address), try www.dyndns.org. > > Gabe > > On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 08:12:19AM -0700, isla0005@tc.umn.edu wrote: > > > > Does anyone know about any free name servers and/or free domain > > name registry service ? I am trying to register a name and would > > like to host it on my box at home. > > As the world is moving towards freeness, I am pretty sure there > > has been some work done on this.(!) > > > > BTW, I am able to run nameserver on my own box can't I ? > > I have cable modem and freebsd 4.0 running. > > > > > > Apu > > > > ----- > > Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) > > The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Gabe Turner | X-President, > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > "I've been known to lie, but this here's a true story." > - Narrator in "Big House Blues" > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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RPM v4 vs RPM v3 Message-ID: <20000907173830.A14548@real-time.com> So, now that all of the new RPMS from Redhat are in v4, what are the people still at v3 suppose to do? % rpm --rebuild XFree86-* Installing XFree86-4.0.1-0.43.src.rpm only packages with major numbers <= 3 are supported by this version of RPM % rpm -qlp XFree86-4.0.1-0.43.src.rpm only packages with major numbers <= 3 are supported by this version of RPM ARGH! -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Sep 7 17:41:50 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21107] Argh! RPM v4 vs RPM v3 In-Reply-To: <20000907173830.A14548@real-time.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > So, now that all of the new RPMS from Redhat are in v4, what are the people > still at v3 suppose to do? Upgrade RPM. Of course, the new RPM rpm ALSO requires v4... Maybe turn it into cpio, then run the rpm binary to install the RPM rpm? -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cfandre at maddog.mn-linux.org Thu Sep 7 17:56:15 2000 From: cfandre at maddog.mn-linux.org (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21107] Argh! RPM v4 vs RPM v3 References: <20000907173830.A14548@real-time.com> Message-ID: <39B81D0F.6C992894@maddog.mn-linux.org> Bob Tanner wrote: > > So, now that all of the new RPMS from Redhat are in v4, what are the people > still at v3 suppose to do? > > % rpm --rebuild XFree86-* > Installing XFree86-4.0.1-0.43.src.rpm > only packages with major numbers <= 3 are supported by this version of RPM > > % rpm -qlp XFree86-4.0.1-0.43.src.rpm > only packages with major numbers <= 3 are supported by this version of RPM > > ARGH! I had the same problem. I upgraded to rpm-3.0.5-9.6 and all is well. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Thu Sep 7 19:18:47 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21037] recognizing memory References: <06632EB02121D3118B7400A0C9EA050C0CA276@mercury.abaton.com> Message-ID: <39B83067.13521AFA@tcfreenet.org> "Sielaff, Bruce" wrote: > > Unfortunately, that didn't do it. It is still only seeing about 13MB. The > BIOS check prior to booting does show 80MB, but for some reason isn't seeing > all of it. > > Other ideas? The fact that its seeing 15mb screams out to the fact you may 'Memory hole at 15mb' turned on. Check your BIOS for such a setting. It needs to be off. What OS's work with such a setting I have no idea. AFAIK its only use is for opening some space in the memory map for an ISA card. ISA only has 24bit adressing which limits it to the lower 16mb of RAM. Mainly used by video cards to support linear framebuffers... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Bruce.Sielaff at iMcKesson.com Thu Sep 7 19:28:02 2000 From: Bruce.Sielaff at iMcKesson.com (Sielaff, Bruce) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:21037] recognizing memory Message-ID: <06632EB02121D3118B7400A0C9EA050C0CA27C@mercury.abaton.com> I ran lilo and all is well. It now sees all 80MB (boy does that cut down on the disk thrashing!). Thanks to all who contributed to the solution. Bruce -----Original Message----- From: Sielaff, Bruce [mailto:Bruce.Sielaff@imckesson.com] Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 11:22 AM To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' Subject: RE: [TCLUG:21037] recognizing memory Red face! I forgot to run lilo after making the change. I will try that tonight when I get home. I did mention that I am a newbie. Bruce -----Original Message----- From: John J. Trammell [mailto:trammell@nitz.hep.umn.edu] Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 2:22 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21037] recognizing memory "Sielaff, Bruce" wrote: > > I just installed linux (redhat 6.2 - kernel 2.2.14-6.1.1) on an old Gateway > (P5-90) which has 80 MB of RAM (2-8MB and 2-32MB SIMs), but linux apparently > only sees a portion of it: > > from /var/logs/dmesg: > Memory: 13336K/15360K available (1080K kernel code, 412K reserved, 468K > data, 64K init, 0K bigmem) Sorry, I have to ask: you're running /sbin/lilo after changing the "append" line, right? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. 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If you're using linuxconfig it should plop the proper 'alias eth0 whatever' line in conf.modules. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Thu Sep 7 19:45:38 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21089] Right way to handle USB References: <4.2.2.20000907135251.00a24530@pop.mpls.uswest.net> Message-ID: <39B836B2.5DBFD8E1@tcfreenet.org> > So which is the correct way to do this? Should I be making random users > members of group tty as needed, or should I just chmod the /dev/ttyUSBx to > allow any user permission at any time? Is there any inherent risk to > stability or security making random users members of group tty? IS there a > risk by opening up the permissions to the /dev/ttyUSBx ? Access to USB what for what exact purpose? Usually for serial stuff whatever app is being used setgid's itself to tty as needed... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net Thu Sep 7 19:50:49 2000 From: jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21038] Free NS & name Registry In-Reply-To: Scott Dier's message of "Thu, 7 Sep 2000 16:18:03 -0500" References: <070900251.29538@209.98.84.145> <20000907102108.C39501@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <20000907161803.B25108@ringworld.org> Message-ID: I could definatly use that tool here at work. We've got a DHCP environment trying to update a BIND nameserver and whenever the nameserver gets HUPed it drops the dynamic updates. Scott Dier writes: > I have a nifty tool that i created in perl that works really nice if you > control the ns box. > > Let me know if you need it. > > > * Gabe Turner (officer) [000907 10:21]: > > Since you have a cable modem (and therefore, very likely a dynamic IP > > address), try www.dyndns.org. > > > > Gabe > > > > On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 08:12:19AM -0700, isla0005@tc.umn.edu wrote: > > > > > > Does anyone know about any free name servers and/or free domain > > > name registry service ? I am trying to register a name and would > > > like to host it on my box at home. > > > As the world is moving towards freeness, I am pretty sure there > > > has been some work done on this.(!) > > > > > > BTW, I am able to run nameserver on my own box can't I ? > > > I have cable modem and freebsd 4.0 running. > > > > > > > > > Apu > > > > > > ----- > > > Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) > > > The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Gabe Turner | X-President, > > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery > > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota > > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > > > "I've been known to lie, but this here's a true story." > > - Narrator in "Big House Blues" > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > -- > Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet > http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at usinternet.com Thu Sep 7 22:31:52 2000 From: blutgens at usinternet.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21077] Windows vs Linux In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20000907121659.00a46f00@pop.mpls.uswest.net>; from blayer@uswest.net on Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 12:18:54PM -0500 References: <20000907114501.D1556@real-time.com> <4.2.2.20000907121659.00a46f00@pop.mpls.uswest.net> Message-ID: <20000907223152.A11750@ares.usinternet.com> On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 12:18:54PM -0500, Bill Layer wrote: >Hiya, > >>Should we do something officially? Ie get members to hand out cds? Hell yeah, count me in. > >Hey, this would be one way to get me to "hang out at the mall". I wonder >how the MS trolls will react. lol. So anyway, I'm game. > >PS Do I get a T-Shirt this time? :p > >Bill > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Fri Sep 8 01:57:56 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21107] Argh! RPM v4 vs RPM v3 References: <20000907173830.A14548@real-time.com> Message-ID: <39B88DF4.E332E751@tcfreenet.org> Bob Tanner wrote: > > So, now that all of the new RPMS from Redhat are in v4, what are the people > still at v3 suppose to do? > > % rpm --rebuild XFree86-* > Installing XFree86-4.0.1-0.43.src.rpm > only packages with major numbers <= 3 are supported by this version of RPM > > % rpm -qlp XFree86-4.0.1-0.43.src.rpm > only packages with major numbers <= 3 are supported by this version of RPM > > ARGH! Grab the RPM 4.x tarball and built an RPM. Though, where are you getting these XF4.0.1 rpms? If they're from rawhide and you're running 6.2 release they depend on a new version of glibc and xdm wants a new PAM... You're better off compiling XFree 4 from source on redhat until 7.0 is released. Unless you want* to run pinstripe or something. :P Or switch to mandrake like I did. The XF4.0.1 packages from cooker work fine with 7.1 release. Mandrake is sticking with RPM 3 for now... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mfleming at isd.net Fri Sep 8 07:39:23 2000 From: mfleming at isd.net (Michael Fleming) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:21012] USWest DSL and local providers In-Reply-To: <026501c018e8$cdd0daf0$dd29680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <000801c01991$d0dd72e0$0201a8c0@private.network> isd.net just announced the same upgrade to 640K, no increase in price (still just $14.95), being done over wknd. they said "market pressure" was one of their reasons, so that must mean everybody else is doing it! ---------------------------------------------------- Michael Fleming (Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA) mfleming@isd.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Fri Sep 8 08:18:28 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21012] USWest DSL and local providers References: <000801c01991$d0dd72e0$0201a8c0@private.network> Message-ID: <003d01c01997$47238480$dd29680a@tgt.com> Actually, I think it means that companies that offer services through other CLECs, like Covad, Northpoint or Rhythms are putting an enourmous amount of pressure on them. They all (except for Rhythms) offer more bandwidth at the same distance from the CO than USWest does, even with the upgrade to 640 Kbps. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Fleming To: Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 7:39 AM Subject: RE: [TCLUG:21012] USWest DSL and local providers > isd.net just announced the same upgrade to 640K, no increase in price (still > just $14.95), being done over wknd. they said "market pressure" was one of > their reasons, so that must mean everybody else is doing it! > ---------------------------------------------------- > Michael Fleming (Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA) > mfleming@isd.net > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cbidler at talkware.net Fri Sep 8 10:46:34 2000 From: cbidler at talkware.net (Helper Monkey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21119] RH 5.1 question Message-ID: <39B909DA.E37C50A0@talkware.net> Afriend of mine hit me with this question about a well-horked box at his job at UIUC. It stumped me, so I thought I'd ask around and see if anybody has seen something like it before. > So, when we try to run passwd, we type in the changed password twice, and > we get a "critical error- immediate abort" error. When we try useradd, we > get a "unable to lock password file". So we deleted the etc/passwd.lock > file- no dice. Also, when we try to edit etc/passwd using vi, we get a > "error writing to swap file" error, but we're still able to modify the > file. Also, when using the config manager in X, we're not able to "save" > any new users or groups. We're using RedHat Linux 5.1 on a Gateway PII > 400 with win95 on the other partitions. I told him to double-check free space on the partition holding /etc, and make sure that root still has write perms to /etc, but other than that I have no clue. Please, someone, help me figure out what these folks have done to their poor box! :) TIA for any help, -- <----------------------------------------------------------------------> Chris H. Bidler cbidler@talkware.net Associate Engineer, Applications Group Universal Talkware Corp. "In any event, is a O^(log N) search that returns the wrong answer really better than an O^N search that returns the right answer?" <----------------------------------------------------------------------> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From fdickinson at morganhunter.com Fri Sep 8 10:51:18 2000 From: fdickinson at morganhunter.com (Forrest Dickinson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21120] wyswyg html editors Message-ID: <39B90AF6.865BE1E8@morganhunter.com> Are there any wyswyg HTML editors for Linux? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chuck at milams.net Fri Sep 8 10:51:51 2000 From: chuck at milams.net (Chuck Milam) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21119] RH 5.1 question In-Reply-To: <39B909DA.E37C50A0@talkware.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Sep 2000, Helper Monkey wrote: > I told him to double-check free space on the partition holding /etc, > and make sure that root still has write perms to /etc, but other than > that I have no clue. Please, someone, help me figure out what these > folks have done to their poor box! :) Could the swap partition be corrupted? Maybe take it down to single user and reformat the swap? -- Chuck Milam chuck@milams.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Fri Sep 8 10:58:39 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (Gabe Turner (officer)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21120] wyswyg html editors In-Reply-To: <39B90AF6.865BE1E8@morganhunter.com>; from fdickinson@morganhunter.com on Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 10:51:18AM -0500 References: <39B90AF6.865BE1E8@morganhunter.com> Message-ID: <20000908105839.I25137@acm.cs.umn.edu> Netscape Composer for one. I think Star Office has one as well. As for me, I use vim to write all my HTML (though I don't really write much, nor is it very complicated). Gabe On Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 10:51:18AM -0500, Forrest Dickinson wrote: > Are there any wyswyg HTML editors for Linux? > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "YOU _GAVE_AWAY_ $47 MILLION DOLLARS?? You fat, bloated eediot!" - Ren Hoek in "Stimpy's Big Day" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jrsmit2 at uswest.com Fri Sep 8 11:14:28 2000 From: jrsmit2 at uswest.com (jrsmit2@uswest.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:21119] RH 5.1 question Message-ID: I told him to double-check free space on the partition holding /etc, and make sure that root still has write perms to /etc, but other than that I have no clue. Please, someone, help me figure out what these folks have done to their poor box! :) It sounds to me like a problem with being unable to write to the various places programs write scratch files: /tmp /var and ~. My guess would be that one of those is either not mounted, has the wrong permissions, or is full. You can always run strace on the commands that are erroring, or look at the source and figure out what causes those errors. Jer --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dutchman at uswest.net Fri Sep 8 11:35:45 2000 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21120] wyswyg html editors References: <39B90AF6.865BE1E8@morganhunter.com> Message-ID: <39B91561.C17E04A3@mn.uswest.net> Forrest Dickinson wrote: > > Are there any wyswyg HTML editors for Linux? > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org Like Frontpage, Dreamweaver, etc? There are a couple of HTML editors like BlueFish, Peacock and asWedit but they are not WYSISYG by any means. -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services dutchman@mn.uswest.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chuck at milams.net Fri Sep 8 11:42:08 2000 From: chuck at milams.net (Chuck Milam) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21120] wyswyg html editors In-Reply-To: <39B91561.C17E04A3@mn.uswest.net> Message-ID: Take a look at Amaya: http://www.w3.org/Amaya/ -- Chuck Milam chuck@milams.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu Fri Sep 8 11:50:53 2000 From: lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu (Ben Luey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:21119] RH 5.1 question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Is the perm on /tmp 1777? On Fri, 8 Sep 2000 jrsmit2@uswest.com wrote: > I told him to double-check free space on the partition holding /etc, and > make sure that root still has write perms to /etc, but other than that > I have no clue. Please, someone, help me figure out what these folks > have done to their poor box! :) > > It sounds to me like a problem with being unable to write to the various > places programs write scratch files: /tmp /var and ~. My guess would be > that one of those is either not mounted, has the wrong permissions, or is > full. > > You can always run strace on the commands that are erroring, or look at the > source and figure out what causes those errors. > > Jer > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Sep 8 12:09:34 2000 From: chewie at wookimus.net (^chewie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21120] wyswyg html editors In-Reply-To: ; from chuck@milams.net on Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 11:42:08AM -0500 References: <39B91561.C17E04A3@mn.uswest.net> Message-ID: <20000908120934.B29261@wookimus.net> On WYSIWYG... Pro's * Environment similar to WYSIWYG word processors * Able to view the page as you're creating it Con's * You don't learn anything about the structuring of the underlying markup. * The markup the WYSIWYG generates is often filled with bugs and bad assumptions, and is not often formatted for viewing by standard text editors (i.e. standard tab stops or no stops, good formatting, and less than 80 columns -- no long lines). * Very few WYSIWYG's actually use advanced tools such as Cascading Style Sheets (CSS), and in effect, litter the HTML markup with unnecessary tags and options. * Adding HTML markup not standard with the WYSIWYG functionality is often a pain to use, a pain to edit, and a pain to view. * Most WYSIWYG's use key bindings similar to environments designed for point-n-click interface, which may be fine for the average joe user, but for those who are more comfortable with a keyboard than a mouse, it's a pain in the ass. In other words, I WANT MY VI BINDINGS! Main arguments against WYSIWYG's... The most common application of WYSIWYG's, such as document editors, whether it be Word format or HTML, is that they assume you are creating ad hoc documents or "one-timers." The problem with this assumption is that businesses use these applications to run their business and formal processes, processes that use a standard form or set of forms for their everyday practices. I hold this statement to be truth in all cases: "If you use a form (letter, report, memo, etc) more than three times, or if more than two people need to use the form, it should be formalized and controlled." The best way to do so is to create an on-line forms application, a web application. The con to this is that when people have WYSIWYG's to their disposal, "one-timers" or "one-offs" begin to perpetuate. Soon, you've got 8 flavors of a given form floating around the office. You don't know who controls it, where it came from, or what you're supposed to do with each version. Then you run into the problem of compatibility; not everyone uses the same tools all of the time... If you can't tell, this is a problem that I'm running into at work at the moment. I can't stress enough the importance of creating client-independent web-based forms applications for ANY formal business process or policy that gets used on a regular basis. Anyway, . -- Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom http://wookimus.net/chewie -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Justin Cook mailto:jsc@themes.org ----- Original Message ----- From: Gabe Turner (officer) To: Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21120] wyswyg html editors > Netscape Composer for one. I think Star Office has one as well. As for > me, I use vim to write all my HTML (though I don't really write much, nor is > it very complicated). > > Gabe > > On Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 10:51:18AM -0500, Forrest Dickinson wrote: > > Are there any wyswyg HTML editors for Linux? > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > Gabe Turner | X-President, > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > "YOU _GAVE_AWAY_ $47 MILLION DOLLARS?? You fat, bloated eediot!" > - Ren Hoek in "Stimpy's Big Day" > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From trammell at nitz.hep.umn.edu Fri Sep 8 05:00:46 2000 From: trammell at nitz.hep.umn.edu (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21119] RH 5.1 question Message-ID: <200009081000.FAA05955@nitz.hep.umn.edu> On Fri, 8 Sep 2000 jrsmit2@uswest.com wrote: > I told him to double-check free space on the partition holding /etc, and > make sure that root still has write perms to /etc, but other than that > I have no clue. Please, someone, help me figure out what these folks > have done to their poor box! :) How about posting the output from 'df -k' and 'ls -al /etc'. Tell them to man vipw while they're at it. J --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tumeric at ultracrass.com Fri Sep 8 12:19:49 2000 From: tumeric at ultracrass.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21120] wyswyg html editors References: <39B91561.C17E04A3@mn.uswest.net> <20000908120934.B29261@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <39B91FB5.3AB33D3A@ultracrass.com> You must not have used Dreamweaver. ~j ^chewie wrote: > > On WYSIWYG... > > Pro's > * Environment similar to WYSIWYG word processors > * Able to view the page as you're creating it > > Con's > * You don't learn anything about the structuring of the underlying > markup. > * The markup the WYSIWYG generates is often filled with bugs and > bad assumptions, and is not often formatted for viewing by > standard text editors (i.e. standard tab stops or no stops, > good formatting, and less than 80 columns -- no long lines). > * Very few WYSIWYG's actually use advanced tools such as Cascading > Style Sheets (CSS), and in effect, litter the HTML markup with > unnecessary tags and options. > * Adding HTML markup not standard with the WYSIWYG functionality > is often a pain to use, a pain to edit, and a pain to view. > * Most WYSIWYG's use key bindings similar to environments designed > for point-n-click interface, which may be fine for the average > joe user, but for those who are more comfortable with a > keyboard than a mouse, it's a pain in the ass. > > In other words, I WANT MY VI BINDINGS! > > > Main arguments against WYSIWYG's... > > The most common application of WYSIWYG's, such as document editors, > whether it be Word format or HTML, is that they assume you are > creating ad hoc documents or "one-timers." The problem with this > assumption is that businesses use these applications to run their > business and formal processes, processes that use a standard form or > set of forms for their everyday practices. > > I hold this statement to be truth in all cases: "If you use a form > (letter, report, memo, etc) more than three times, or if more than two > people need to use the form, it should be formalized and controlled." > The best way to do so is to create an on-line forms application, a web > application. > > The con to this is that when people have WYSIWYG's to their disposal, > "one-timers" or "one-offs" begin to perpetuate. Soon, you've got 8 > flavors of a given form floating around the office. You don't know > who controls it, where it came from, or what you're supposed to do > with each version. Then you run into the problem of compatibility; > not everyone uses the same tools all of the time... > > If you can't tell, this is a problem that I'm running into at work at > the moment. I can't stress enough the importance of creating > client-independent web-based forms applications for ANY formal > business process or policy that gets used on a regular basis. > > Anyway, . > > -- > Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom > http://wookimus.net/chewie > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From john1536 at tc.umn.edu Fri Sep 8 12:45:57 2000 From: john1536 at tc.umn.edu (Troy A. Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21131] Downtime by law Message-ID: <39B925D5.2DAFF9E1@tc.umn.edu> Interesting article http://www.suck.com/daily/2000/09/08/ -- Troy Johnson mailto:john1536@tc.umn.edu http://umn.edu/~john1536/ One time a cop pulled me over for running a stop sign. He said "Didn't you see the stop sign." I said "Yeah, but I don't believe everything I read." -- Stephen Wright --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Kevin.Erickson at noridian.com Fri Sep 8 12:46:56 2000 From: Kevin.Erickson at noridian.com (Kevin Erickson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21132] RE: Free NS & name Registry In-Reply-To: <20000907111805.A29655@visi.com> Message-ID: I wouldn't use granitecanyon. I've had nothing but problems on and off for the last 6 months. I've had very good luck with www.centralinfo.net however. They offer free secondary services. The other thing I've been considering for "low-end" domain hosting is to just use register.com as the authoritative DNS server. If you register the domain through register.com, I believe the DNS hosting is free, with a web interface to edit records, etc. Kevin > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Osterlie [mailto:mosterlie@visi.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 11:18 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21038] Free NS & name Registry > > > * Adam Maloney (adamm@sihope.com) [000907 10:40]: > > Notwork Solutions also /requires/ at least one secondary nameserver that > > carries a different IP from the primary. > > > > Adam Maloney > > Systems Administrator > > Sihope Communications > > > > On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, Dave Sherohman wrote: > > > > > isla0005@tc.umn.edu said: > > > > BTW, I am able to run nameserver on my own box can't I ? > > > > I have cable modem and freebsd 4.0 running. > > If their equipment didn't just have a failure, you can get free DNS > service through www.granitecanyon.com. Once they get their service back up > (their DNS servers are up, but the site just has a message about the > failures), you can get secondary service through them. > > -- > Michael Osterlie > mosterlie@visi.com > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Fri Sep 8 13:16:28 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21120] wyswyg html editors In-Reply-To: <20000908120934.B29261@wookimus.net>; from chewie@wookimus.net on Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 12:09:34PM -0500 References: <39B91561.C17E04A3@mn.uswest.net> <20000908120934.B29261@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20000908131628.E25108@ringworld.org> Oh yeah, your talking only about frontpage ;) Anyhow, anyone who thinks taht wysiswyg or vi is the answer is old-skool anyhow. The real direction to go is to take design as far away from content. :) CSS is one step to that, taking content *out of * html is also good. * ^chewie [000908 12:10]: > On WYSIWYG... > > Pro's > * Environment similar to WYSIWYG word processors > * Able to view the page as you're creating it > > Con's > * You don't learn anything about the structuring of the underlying > markup. > * The markup the WYSIWYG generates is often filled with bugs and > bad assumptions, and is not often formatted for viewing by > standard text editors (i.e. standard tab stops or no stops, > good formatting, and less than 80 columns -- no long lines). > * Very few WYSIWYG's actually use advanced tools such as Cascading > Style Sheets (CSS), and in effect, litter the HTML markup with > unnecessary tags and options. > * Adding HTML markup not standard with the WYSIWYG functionality > is often a pain to use, a pain to edit, and a pain to view. > * Most WYSIWYG's use key bindings similar to environments designed > for point-n-click interface, which may be fine for the average > joe user, but for those who are more comfortable with a > keyboard than a mouse, it's a pain in the ass. > > In other words, I WANT MY VI BINDINGS! > > > Main arguments against WYSIWYG's... > > The most common application of WYSIWYG's, such as document editors, > whether it be Word format or HTML, is that they assume you are > creating ad hoc documents or "one-timers." The problem with this > assumption is that businesses use these applications to run their > business and formal processes, processes that use a standard form or > set of forms for their everyday practices. > > I hold this statement to be truth in all cases: "If you use a form > (letter, report, memo, etc) more than three times, or if more than two > people need to use the form, it should be formalized and controlled." > The best way to do so is to create an on-line forms application, a web > application. > > The con to this is that when people have WYSIWYG's to their disposal, > "one-timers" or "one-offs" begin to perpetuate. Soon, you've got 8 > flavors of a given form floating around the office. You don't know > who controls it, where it came from, or what you're supposed to do > with each version. Then you run into the problem of compatibility; > not everyone uses the same tools all of the time... > > If you can't tell, this is a problem that I'm running into at work at > the moment. I can't stress enough the importance of creating > client-independent web-based forms applications for ANY formal > business process or policy that gets used on a regular basis. > > Anyway, . > > -- > Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom > http://wookimus.net/chewie > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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And I have to agree with Scott, pulling the formating AND content out of html is great. (The joys of PHP, CSS, and mySQL) I'll agree with ^chewie on the forms as well. Past experience...shudder. And I'll agree with Jacqueline, Dreamweaver is rather impressive. BUT...I still perfer a plain text editor (damnit...I'm becoming fond of vi...noooooo!!!) A quick search of my gray matter database reveals the following wyswyg html editors: StarOffice, Applixware, CoffeeCup, Bluefish, screem, amaya, netscape. Like most wywwyg editors, what you see isn't always what you get. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Fri Sep 8 14:12:23 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21120] wyswyg html editors In-Reply-To: <39B93807.93B58D36@ltiflex.com>; from andyzb@ltiflex.com on Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 02:03:35PM -0500 References: <39B91561.C17E04A3@mn.uswest.net> <20000908120934.B29261@wookimus.net> <20000908131628.E25108@ringworld.org> <39B93807.93B58D36@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <20000908141223.F25108@ringworld.org> * Andy Zbikowski [000908 14:04]: > A quick search of my gray matter database reveals the following wyswyg html > editors: StarOffice, Applixware, CoffeeCup, Bluefish, screem, amaya, > netscape. Like most wywwyg editors, what you see isn't always what you get. AFAIK screem, homesite, etc are more code editing based than wysiwyg. And you missed emacs, you poor fool. :) -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 233 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20000908/deee2836/attachment.pgp -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jcook at k-lug.com Fri Sep 8 14:35:34 2000 From: jcook at k-lug.com (Cook, Justin S.) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21120] wyswyg html editors References: <39B91561.C17E04A3@mn.uswest.net> <20000908120934.B29261@wookimus.net> <20000908131628.E25108@ringworld.org> <39B93807.93B58D36@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <001401c019cb$f563fc80$650a020a@winona.msus.edu> oh, those are the devil, they are rarley w3c complient and they like to spout in lots of unneeded things. like

instead of
. Thanks for the knowledge. But i have to disagree on dynamic content _always_ being better then using staticly built HTML files. On major hit sites, ive always used static content, then when something major or that needs to show up right away, comes into play, recreate the page with a script. this way you still have your mysql backend(damn useful) and your semi-dynamic content, when you need it. This is how i have done high hit sites for my company in the past, but i need to further test their theories before i am a comply sure, and develop some load testing software. Note the above opinions expressed are mine alone, and do not reflect anyone but myself. Justin Cook mailto: jsc@themes.org http://kde.themes.org ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy Zbikowski To: Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 2:03 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21120] wyswyg html editors > WYSWYG = What You See is What You Get > The good: any Joe Schmoe who can use a word processor can create webpages. > The bad: any Joe Schmoe who can use a word processor can create webpages. > > And I have to agree with Scott, pulling the formating AND content out of > html is great. (The joys of PHP, CSS, and mySQL) > > I'll agree with ^chewie on the forms as well. Past experience...shudder. > > And I'll agree with Jacqueline, Dreamweaver is rather impressive. BUT...I > still perfer a plain text editor (damnit...I'm becoming fond of > vi...noooooo!!!) > > A quick search of my gray matter database reveals the following wyswyg html > editors: StarOffice, Applixware, CoffeeCup, Bluefish, screem, amaya, > netscape. Like most wywwyg editors, what you see isn't always what you get. > > -- > Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com > LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 > 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 > Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Fri Sep 8 14:42:35 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:16820] Stone Soup computers (related to Obsolete Hardware) References: <200006192014.PAA28177@rainier.network.com> <001001bfda2c$34fee740$1900a8c0@marnan.mpls.uswest.net> Message-ID: <39B9412B.8EEDA943@ltiflex.com> > To 30pinn Simms(Oh I have almost 100 of them)... Attach a key ring to them, and hand them out next time TCLUG has a booth at an expo or something. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From drew at usfamily.net Fri Sep 8 16:10:53 2000 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:16820] Stone Soup computers (related to Obsolete Hardware) References: <200006192014.PAA28177@rainier.network.com> <001001bfda2c$34fee740$1900a8c0@marnan.mpls.uswest.net> <39B9412B.8EEDA943@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <39B955DD.9D69ACEC@usfamily.net> No joke, really. Some one perhaps even I could drop by AxeMan or somthing an get some of those keychain rings. We just need to put linux stickers on the simms. Andy Zbikowski wrote: > > To 30pinn Simms(Oh I have almost 100 of them)... > > Attach a key ring to them, and hand them out next time TCLUG has a booth at > an expo or something. > > -- > Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com > LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 > 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 > Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Sat Sep 9 02:00:18 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21139] OT: Power Supply Message-ID: Hi... A few minutes ago there was a loud BANG and my desktop's power supply exploded. I'm _hoping_ it didn't take the entire system with it. Anyway, I really like the case it's in (real big, blue LEDs), and want to get a new PSU but _not_ get a new case... GNS and Tranmicro have 300W PSUs but they're all like $20 less than a full case is. Anyone have suggestions for a good PSU source? I wouldn't MIND paying close to a full-case price for a PSU if it was a really good PSU... -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jasonj at innominatus.com Sat Sep 9 03:00:29 2000 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21139] OT: Power Supply References: Message-ID: <39B9EE1D.38A42B63@innominatus.com> Your only choice is at pcpowercooling.com I have one of the silencers. Yaron wrote: > Hi... > > A few minutes ago there was a loud BANG and my desktop's power supply > exploded. I'm _hoping_ it didn't take the entire system with it. Anyway, I > really like the case it's in (real big, blue LEDs), and want to get a new > PSU but _not_ get a new case... GNS and Tranmicro have 300W PSUs but > they're all like $20 less than a full case is. > > Anyone have suggestions for a good PSU source? I wouldn't MIND paying > close to a full-case price for a PSU if it was a really good PSU... > > -Yaron > > -- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Sat Sep 9 03:20:46 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21139] OT: Power Supply In-Reply-To: <39B9EE1D.38A42B63@innominatus.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Sat, 9 Sep 2000, Jason J wrote: > Your only choice is at pcpowercooling.com > I have one of the silencers. Aiiieee! These are expensive, and the Silent ones don't have a 300W (275W? WTH? I'm not convinced 300W was cutting it, but 400 seems excessive). I'll have to think about it. Tranmicro do have a 330W Athlon certified or something... -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From esper at sherohman.org Sat Sep 9 07:46:26 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21139] OT: Power Supply In-Reply-To: from Yaron at "Sep 9, 2000 02:00:18 am" Message-ID: Yaron said: > Anyone have suggestions for a good PSU source? I wouldn't MIND paying > close to a full-case price for a PSU if it was a really good PSU... First thing to do, if you're brave, is open the supply up and try replacing the fuse. With the noise, it's possible that something more serious went, but PSU fuses do tend to go out in a blaze of glory when they die and the fuses are only a couple bucks, so it's worth a shot unless you know that it's something else. If it's not just the fuse, try Computer Renaissance. (Now there's something I never thought I'd hear myself recommend...) I blew out a PSU a few years back (well, 4 or 5 years) and got a replacement (200 or 250W) from them for $20. I'm sure a 300W would be a bit more today, but hopefully it'd still be in the $30-50 range. Good luck! -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Sat Sep 9 08:32:44 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21139] OT: Power Supply References: Message-ID: <002001c01a62$6fbf5060$0100a8c0@veldy.net> I found a 300W PSU from CompUSA for $35 last year. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Sherohman" To: Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2000 7:46 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21139] OT: Power Supply > Yaron said: > > Anyone have suggestions for a good PSU source? I wouldn't MIND paying > > close to a full-case price for a PSU if it was a really good PSU... > > First thing to do, if you're brave, is open the supply up and try replacing > the fuse. With the noise, it's possible that something more serious went, > but PSU fuses do tend to go out in a blaze of glory when they die and the > fuses are only a couple bucks, so it's worth a shot unless you know that it's > something else. > > If it's not just the fuse, try Computer Renaissance. (Now there's something I > never thought I'd hear myself recommend...) I blew out a PSU a few years > back (well, 4 or 5 years) and got a replacement (200 or 250W) from them for > $20. I'm sure a 300W would be a bit more today, but hopefully it'd still be > in the $30-50 range. > > Good luck! > > -- > "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist > "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton > Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ > !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mkroska at readynetgo.com Sat Sep 9 09:56:40 2000 From: mkroska at readynetgo.com (Mark K) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21139] OT: Power Supply In-Reply-To: <002001c01a62$6fbf5060$0100a8c0@veldy.net> Message-ID: I also found both 250W and 300W PSU at CompUSA a few months ago. I picked a couple of each up just for "cold spares" ...and situations like yours. The units were new, and I believe about $35 for the 300 and about $30 for the 250s Mark On Sat, 9 Sep 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > I found a 300W PSU from CompUSA for $35 last year. > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Sherohman" > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2000 7:46 AM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21139] OT: Power Supply > > > > Yaron said: > > > Anyone have suggestions for a good PSU source? I wouldn't MIND paying > > > close to a full-case price for a PSU if it was a really good PSU... > > > > First thing to do, if you're brave, is open the supply up and try > replacing > > the fuse. With the noise, it's possible that something more serious went, > > but PSU fuses do tend to go out in a blaze of glory when they die and the > > fuses are only a couple bucks, so it's worth a shot unless you know that > it's > > something else. > > > > If it's not just the fuse, try Computer Renaissance. (Now there's > something I > > never thought I'd hear myself recommend...) I blew out a PSU a few years > > back (well, 4 or 5 years) and got a replacement (200 or 250W) from them > for > > $20. I'm sure a 300W would be a bit more today, but hopefully it'd still > be > > in the $30-50 range. > > > > Good luck! > > > > -- > > "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist > > "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton > > Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ > > !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > -- ________________________________________________________ ReadyNET Go!, Inc. - Building your Business on the net ________________________________________________________ Mark J. Kroska MIS Director 320.656.0765 Voice 888.447.3239 Toll Free 320.203.7052 Fax http://www.readynetgo.com mailto:mkroska@readynetgo.com ________________________________________________________ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Sat Sep 9 11:31:27 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21139] OT: Power Supply In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Sat, 9 Sep 2000, Dave Sherohman wrote: > First thing to do, if you're brave, is open the supply up and try replacing > the fuse. With the noise, it's possible that something more serious went Yeah,m a capacitor blew. You can hear it rattling around inside as well as actually see it bouncing around through thevents. > If it's not just the fuse, try Computer Renaissance. (Now there's something I > never thought I'd hear myself recommend...) Nor did I ever think I'd think is a good idea! Heh, thanks. -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Sat Sep 9 15:37:03 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21120] wyswyg html editors In-Reply-To: <39B93807.93B58D36@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Sep 2000, Andy Zbikowski wrote: > WYSWYG = What You See is What You Get > The good: any Joe Schmoe who can use a word processor can create webpages. > The bad: any Joe Schmoe who can use a word processor can create webpages. > > And I have to agree with Scott, pulling the formating AND content out of > html is great. (The joys of PHP, CSS, and mySQL) > > I'll agree with ^chewie on the forms as well. Past experience...shudder. Oh, this sounds like youse guys are about to enter my "strutured thinkers" vs. "unstructured thinkers" dichotomy. > Like most wywwyg editors, what you see isn't always what you get. Or as it says in the LaTeX manual, "What you see is *all* you've got!" Actually, especially when I find people working at MathML, I wonder why html ever got written at all. All the world ever really needed was a TeX browser -- then everything on print and screen could have been done from the same source. Cheers, Phil M -- Lottery: a tax on people who are bad at math --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blackcrow77 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 7 17:22:59 2000 From: blackcrow77 at yahoo.com (ravenmaster) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21106] Next Meeting Message-ID: <20000907222259.9122.qmail@web801.mail.yahoo.com> This is a reminder that the next TCLUG meeting will be held this Saturday, Sept 9th at Benchmark Computer Learning Center in Edina. We have the room from noon until 2pm. I (Scot Jenkins) will be presenting on system monitoring tools (mon, qpage, swatch). Details can be found on the tclug web site: http://www.mn-linux.org/ -scot __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kozmik at myrealbox.com Sat Sep 9 22:33:48 2000 From: kozmik at myrealbox.com (Kozmik Krash) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21077] Windows vs Linux Message-ID: <200009100336.e8A3aeF28499@sprite.real-time.com> we can unintentionally shut down their computers (ie.plug in, plug off) till thyey frag and get away with it. right? :_)) > > > Dear LUG's, > > > > > > Microsoft is coming to the shopping mall in your city to promote Windows > > > ME. Many of us think that this would be an opportune time for Linux > > > users to show our preferred choice by showing up to hand out free Linux > > > CD's. I have proposed to Linux Central to put up a new SKU so people > > > can purchase Linux CD's to be sent to the LUGs in the city of their > > > choices. The list of the cities for Windows ME tour is listed below as > > > well as the link to MSFT website. The SKU is not up yet, as I have to > > > coordinate with the user groups before Linux Central will take action. > > > > > > Sep 28-Oct1, Minneapolis, Mall of America > > Hahahah! This is way to funny! > > Should we do something officially? Ie get members to hand out cds? > > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (612) 943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612) 943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- ----------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn- linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn- linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From isla0005 at tc.umn.edu Sun Sep 10 03:40:12 2000 From: isla0005 at tc.umn.edu (Apu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21120] cgibin Forbidden References: Message-ID: <39BB48EC.6031124@tc.umn.edu> This is a relatively simple question. I get a "forbidden" error when I try to access my cgibin on the server. I have not set the document root to allow cgibin access. (in fact I didn't change anyhting and I need to make a directory so that it can be accessed from browser) What do I change on httpd.conf to make a subdirectory accessible (or the scripts under it) ? Apu --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From pope at ossuary.net Sun Sep 10 01:50:15 2000 From: pope at ossuary.net (Scott) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21120] cgibin Forbidden In-Reply-To: <39BB48EC.6031124@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: ScriptAlias will be your new friend in this case. If this is for the tld, then something like this would work: ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ /path/to/actual/cgi-bin/ The httpd.conf already has a section for this so finding where to put it should be easy. Just make sure that your cgi-bin is chmod 755. Scott -- ossuary.net -- "Time provides the rope, but love will tie the slipknot, and I will be the chair you kick away." -Magnetic Fields --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From isla0005 at tc.umn.edu Sun Sep 10 06:22:33 2000 From: isla0005 at tc.umn.edu (Apu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21120] cgibin Forbidden References: Message-ID: <39BB6EF8.5DF976F8@tc.umn.edu> I am using virtual hosts. When I put ScriptAlias inside directive I still get forbidden error message. When I use it outside that, I still get forbidden error. I have checked my permissions and they are set at 755 for cgibin directories. Am I missing something or is it the visrtual hosts making the problem ? Apu Scott wrote: > ScriptAlias will be your new friend in this case. If > this is for the tld, then something like this would work: > > ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ /path/to/actual/cgi-bin/ > > The httpd.conf already has a section for this so finding > where to put it should be easy. Just make sure that your > cgi-bin is chmod 755. > > Scott > -- ossuary.net -- > "Time provides the rope, but love will tie the slipknot, and > I will be the chair you kick away." -Magnetic Fields > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From pope at ossuary.net Sun Sep 10 17:46:07 2000 From: pope at ossuary.net (Scott) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21120] cgibin Forbidden In-Reply-To: <39BB6EF8.5DF976F8@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: Paste your virthost into a mail so I can see it. I'm using a scriptalias in two virthosts and they work just fine. Scott -- ossuary.net -- "Time provides the rope, but love will tie the slipknot, and I will be the chair you kick away." -Magnetic Fields --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From wilson at visi.com Sun Sep 10 21:33:12 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21152] electronic lecture notes Message-ID: Hey everyone, I'd like to begin putting my lecture notes and overhead projector transparencies in electronic format. I wonder if someone has a quick recommendation. Whatever method, I'm planning on writing in plain text for maximum compatibility. That suggests something like vim/emacs + one of the 'roffs, TeX, LaTeX/LyX, SGML, XML, HTML... I've got some experience with DocBook, but I don't think that will really fit the bill. If I did use DocBook, I would have to do a lot of work on my own custom stylesheet. Anyone created a template for LyX before? Any other DTDs that would work well for this. The possibility of using XML is attractive because I could begin to do some really fun things with indexing and searching old lectures, including multimedia bits, and other coolness. I'd love to get some feedback on this. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From wilson at visi.com Sun Sep 10 21:52:29 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21153] You know you're a Linux geek when... Message-ID: Greetings *, OK, at the risk of spamming the list with something of dubious comical merit that many of you have probably already seen... My brother-in-law ran across this, and thought of me. How kind. *I* hadn't seen it before, and I actually chuckled out loud a couple times. Here goes. --snip-- You know you're a Linux geek when... * When someone mentions "The Other OS," you think they are talking about FreeBSD. * You start using penguins in your Web site design. * You've programmed your spell checker to replace "knew" and "new" with "GNU." * When you find . -name "what" -type F| xargs grep "where"| cut -t "when"| grep who"> now! is a reality! * Every job interview that you go to becomes a session of Linux Advocacy. * You know over 20 different people by their uid on Slashdot, but have never met them in person. * When they saw "lie low" you think about booting Linux. * You keep track of your highest uptime, and try to break your record. * The only thing you ever do online is read the latest Linux news, Linux software releases, Linux HOW-TOs, usenet Linux threads, etc., etc. * You use /. as your homepage. * Typing 'locate Bitch' at the command line makes perfect sense. * You try to cat your AUTOEXEC.BAT file. * You can reconstruct your fstab from scratch, and not even think about it. * When in MS Word, you type :wq * You are hitting the TAB key in the DOS shell. * You feel patronized when your Wintel box at work asks you if you "really want to log out"? * You wish Windows had virtual desktops. * You enjoy getting fsck'd when your computer boots. * You know how to attain Enlightenment. * In Windows, you keep referring to your drives as /dev/hdx * Freeing the mallocs seems a worthier cause than freeing the whales. * You ask yourself why Windows 9x has a login screen with a Cancel button. * Someone tells you command line options for an application and you need toilet paper to write it down. * While at a hip party someone asks, "Hey wanna burn one?" You ask if they have a blank CD-R. * When other people talk about their exotic animals you think they're talking about O'Reilly books. * With the boot disk you're always carrying, a Debian and RedHat CD accompany. * You find the thought of rebooting after installing a piece of software utterly absurd. * Your definition of a tarball has nothing to do with fossil fuels. * When you hear the words "Fresh meat" you think of software. * You feel the desire to master vi. * You have more than 10 network services enabled on your home network. * You think "Microsoft" is a brand name for toilet paper. * The only time your computer reboots is to try out a new kernel. * You type "/" when trying to change directories in Windows. * You carry a Linux boot-floppy wherever you go. * You feel an undefined sense of shame when the advice you give on Windows 9x works. * You're on your first date and all you can think about is open source. * You dream of penguins. --snip-- Enjoy. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Sun Sep 10 22:48:30 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21152] electronic lecture notes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: one of my old CS profs used latex all the time for his notes/handouts/testes.. he didn't use anything like lyx.. all hand-coded in emacs.. but he was kinda a wierd guy :) I think a more modern aproach would be HTML or XML. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Sun, 10 Sep 2000, Timothy Wilson wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I'd like to begin putting my lecture notes and overhead projector > transparencies in electronic format. I wonder if someone has a quick > recommendation. > > Whatever method, I'm planning on writing in plain text for maximum > compatibility. That suggests something like vim/emacs + one of the 'roffs, > TeX, LaTeX/LyX, SGML, XML, HTML... I've got some experience with DocBook, > but I don't think that will really fit the bill. If I did use DocBook, I > would have to do a lot of work on my own custom stylesheet. > > Anyone created a template for LyX before? > > Any other DTDs that would work well for this. > > The possibility of using XML is attractive because I could begin to do some > really fun things with indexing and searching old lectures, including > multimedia bits, and other coolness. > > I'd love to get some feedback on this. > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Sun Sep 10 22:50:26 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21153] You know you're a Linux geek when... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > * Every job interview that you go to becomes a session of Linux Advocacy. haha.. been there.. wow some peole want to kill you.. others just go glassy eyed --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Mon Sep 11 03:22:58 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21152] electronic lecture notes In-Reply-To: ; from ben@nerp.net on Sun, Sep 10, 2000 at 10:48:30PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20000911032258.I25108@ringworld.org> Nevermind XML isn't a 'format' per se. Its more like SGML, but modernised. (well, yeah. thats stretching it) Html sucks for math too. Your best bet is to use latex/poscript, or check out the tex->java thing thats up here: http://www.math.umn.edu/~garrett/a06/Sample.html Neat little thing that shows tex in an applet. :) * Ben Kochie [000910 22:48]: > one of my old CS profs used latex all the time for his > notes/handouts/testes.. he didn't use anything like lyx.. all hand-coded > in emacs.. but he was kinda a wierd guy :) I think a more modern aproach > would be HTML or XML. > > Thank You, > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] > | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] > | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] > | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > On Sun, 10 Sep 2000, Timothy Wilson wrote: > > > Hey everyone, > > > > I'd like to begin putting my lecture notes and overhead projector > > transparencies in electronic format. I wonder if someone has a quick > > recommendation. > > > > Whatever method, I'm planning on writing in plain text for maximum > > compatibility. That suggests something like vim/emacs + one of the 'roffs, > > TeX, LaTeX/LyX, SGML, XML, HTML... I've got some experience with DocBook, > > but I don't think that will really fit the bill. If I did use DocBook, I > > would have to do a lot of work on my own custom stylesheet. > > > > Anyone created a template for LyX before? > > > > Any other DTDs that would work well for this. > > > > The possibility of using XML is attractive because I could begin to do some > > really fun things with indexing and searching old lectures, including > > multimedia bits, and other coolness. > > > > I'd love to get some feedback on this. > > > > -Tim > > > > -- > > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ > > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ > > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: ; from wilson@visi.com on Sun, Sep 10, 2000 at 09:52:29PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20000911071635.A10734@ares.usinternet.com> On Sun, Sep 10, 2000 at 09:52:29PM -0500, Timothy Wilson wrote: >Greetings *, >--snip-- >You know you're a Linux geek when... >* When in MS Word, you type :wq HAHAHA, been there, done that! >* Freeing the mallocs seems a worthier cause than freeing the whales. You mean it's not? What's a whale? THose things that live in the t.v. right? On the discovery channel. -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kent at structural-wood.com Mon Sep 11 07:21:03 2000 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21139] OT: Power Supply References: <002001c01a62$6fbf5060$0100a8c0@veldy.net> Message-ID: <39BCCE2F.44D80AB4@structural-wood.com> I bought a $29 case with a 250 watt power supply from CompUSA this spring. Extracted the power supply and stored the case (somewhere...). Kent "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > I found a 300W PSU from CompUSA for $35 last year. > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Sherohman" > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2000 7:46 AM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21139] OT: Power Supply > > > Yaron said: > > > Anyone have suggestions for a good PSU source? I wouldn't MIND paying > > > close to a full-case price for a PSU if it was a really good PSU... > > > > First thing to do, if you're brave, is open the supply up and try > replacing > > the fuse. With the noise, it's possible that something more serious went, > > but PSU fuses do tend to go out in a blaze of glory when they die and the > > fuses are only a couple bucks, so it's worth a shot unless you know that > it's > > something else. > > > > If it's not just the fuse, try Computer Renaissance. (Now there's > something I > > never thought I'd hear myself recommend...) I blew out a PSU a few years > > back (well, 4 or 5 years) and got a replacement (200 or 250W) from them > for > > $20. I'm sure a 300W would be a bit more today, but hopefully it'd still > be > > in the $30-50 range. > > > > Good luck! > > > > -- > > "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist > > "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton > > Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ > > !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net Mon Sep 11 08:20:52 2000 From: jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21152] electronic lecture notes In-Reply-To: Scott Dier's message of "Mon, 11 Sep 2000 03:22:58 -0500" References: <20000911032258.I25108@ringworld.org> Message-ID: Scott Dier writes: > Nevermind XML isn't a 'format' per se. Its more like SGML, but > modernised. (well, yeah. thats stretching it) > > Html sucks for math too. Your best bet is to use latex/poscript, or > check out the tex->java thing thats up here: The new standard for HTML, XHTML, has the ability to do math as well. Check out http://www.w3.org/Math/. -- Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Mon Sep 11 08:31:31 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21152] electronic lecture notes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 10 Sep 2000, Timothy Wilson wrote: > I'd like to begin putting my lecture notes and overhead projector > transparencies in electronic format. I wonder if someone has a quick > recommendation. > I'd love to get some feedback on this. I'd say it depends on what subject you're teaching and what age. I assume we're talking H.S. from your sig. If it's math or a hard science, I'd go with something TeX-ey, since they'll run into it later. If it's not, then whatever is the least prep for you! Cheers, Phil M -- Lottery: a tax on people who are bad at math --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Mon Sep 11 08:38:36 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21152] electronic lecture notes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 11 Sep 2000, Jon Schewe wrote: > The new standard for HTML, XHTML, has the ability to do math as well. Check > out http://www.w3.org/Math/. I haven't played with it much, so I have to disclaim my following remark as part wisecrack: There's a difference between having the ability to do something and being good at it! Cheers, Phil M -- Lottery: a tax on people who are bad at math --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From goldman at htc.honeywell.com Mon Sep 11 08:53:43 2000 From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21162] question about StarOffice completion Message-ID: <14780.58343.145000.671528@htc.honeywell.com> Has anyone out there figured out how to accept a completion that the StarOffice text editor proposes? It's driving me crazy right now --- StarOffice quite often guesses which word I want to be typing, but I can't figure out how to say "ok, you're right." Every key press I come up with just wipes out the proposed new word. I'd RTFM but, of course, there is no M! I tried buying a book about StarOffice, and looking at the "help" files (I think that's "help" as in "we need help" not as in "we give help"). Thanks! Robert --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From goldman at htc.honeywell.com Mon Sep 11 09:02:15 2000 From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21163] electronic lecture notes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <14780.58855.847000.351323@htc.honeywell.com> You don't say what your subject is, but as an earlier respondent suggested, TeX is pretty much all there is for math. None of the others works well with equations (as for Microsoft Equation Editor, as they say on Car Talk, "Don't get me started!"). If you want transparencies, the right thing would probably be to use SliTeX. That said, I'm afraid it's not a pleasant experience, at least not until you get used to it. On the other hand, if what you want is mostly text, the game is much easier. You could probably use one of the WYSIWYG editors that dumps HTML (I hear there's one in StarOffice, but have never used it), and then extract the text in a post-process later. Best, R >>>>> "TW" == Timothy Wilson writes: TW> Hey everyone, TW> I'd like to begin putting my lecture notes and overhead projector TW> transparencies in electronic format. I wonder if someone has a quick TW> recommendation. TW> Whatever method, I'm planning on writing in plain text for maximum TW> compatibility. That suggests something like vim/emacs + one of the 'roffs, TW> TeX, LaTeX/LyX, SGML, XML, HTML... I've got some experience with DocBook, TW> but I don't think that will really fit the bill. If I did use DocBook, I TW> would have to do a lot of work on my own custom stylesheet. TW> Anyone created a template for LyX before? TW> Any other DTDs that would work well for this. TW> The possibility of using XML is attractive because I could begin to do some TW> really fun things with indexing and searching old lectures, including TW> multimedia bits, and other coolness. TW> I'd love to get some feedback on this. TW> -Tim TW> -- TW> Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: TW> Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ TW> W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ TW> wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kent at structural-wood.com Mon Sep 11 09:07:23 2000 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21162] question about StarOffice completion References: <14780.58343.145000.671528@htc.honeywell.com> Message-ID: <39BCE71B.6222F913@structural-wood.com> "Robert P. Goldman" wrote: > Has anyone out there figured out how to accept a completion that the > StarOffice text editor proposes? It's driving me crazy right now --- > StarOffice quite often guesses which word I want to be typing, but I > can't figure out how to say "ok, you're right." Every key press I > come up with just wipes out the proposed new word. > > I'd RTFM but, of course, there is no M! I tried buying a book about > StarOffice, and looking at the "help" files (I think that's "help" as > in "we need help" not as in "we give help"). > > Thanks! > Robert > Hit [enter] to accept the completion --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Mon Sep 11 09:26:57 2000 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21152] electronic lecture notes In-Reply-To: ; from wilson@visi.com on Sun, Sep 10, 2000 at 09:33:12PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20000911092657.A24233@baker.space.umn.edu> On Sun, Sep 10, 2000 at 09:33:12PM -0500, Timothy Wilson wrote: > I'd like to begin putting my lecture notes and overhead projector > transparencies in electronic format. I wonder if someone has a quick > recommendation. > > Whatever method, I'm planning on writing in plain text for maximum > compatibility. That suggests something like vim/emacs + one of the 'roffs, > TeX, LaTeX/LyX, SGML, XML, HTML... I've got some experience with DocBook, > but I don't think that will really fit the bill. If I did use DocBook, I > would have to do a lot of work on my own custom stylesheet. I'll echo what others have said. LaTeX if you need a lot of math, otherwise I'd go with html. I use Vim/LateX, though I've played with Lyx a little. I use the seminar document class for making overheads - it has a few extra frills like boxes around the edge of the slide, but nothing too fancy. The nice thing about LaTeX is that it is pretty easy to transform to many different formats - ps, pdf, html, etc. -- Jim Crumley | crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Mon Sep 11 09:29:25 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21120] wyswyg html editors In-Reply-To: ; from mend0070@tc.umn.edu on Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 03:37:03PM -0500 References: <39B93807.93B58D36@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <20000911092925.H18777@real-time.com> Phil M wrote: > Actually, especially when I find people working at MathML, I wonder why > html ever got written at all. All the world ever really needed was a TeX > browser -- then everything on print and screen could have been done from > the same source. the same thing occurred to me when I learned about TeX... why ever did the HTML authors rewrite a perfectly good system? I suspect they thought they could do it better; or they didn't know enough about TeX (unlikely); or had personal issues with the TeX people. HTML ended up as a 'good enough' solution when it was concieved; but in the long run, it hasn't been used in anything like the way it was conceived. (it's far more graphical, far more localized [the orginal idea was that you could combine images and text from all over the web on one site, rather than serving them all up yourself], and far more commercial, than the authors ever envisioned). for that matter, why not use PostScript with some hyperlinking extensions? (other than the nasty licensing issues). who would need JavaScript, when that functionality could be built into the source of the page itself? (if you can write a web server in PostScript, I suspect it has a lot of the functionality of JavaScript. feel free to prove me wrong. ;> ) Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From bob at math.umn.edu Mon Sep 11 09:32:36 2000 From: bob at math.umn.edu (bob@math.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21152] electronic lecture notes In-Reply-To: <20000911092657.A24233@baker.space.umn.edu> from Jim Crumley at "Sep 11, 2000 09:26:57 am" Message-ID: <20000911143236.22421.qmail@khusro.math.umn.edu> Jim Crumley allegedly wrote: > On Sun, Sep 10, 2000 at 09:33:12PM -0500, Timothy Wilson wrote: > > I'd like to begin putting my lecture notes and overhead projector > > transparencies in electronic format. I wonder if someone has a quick > > recommendation. > > > > Whatever method, I'm planning on writing in plain text for maximum > > compatibility. That suggests something like vim/emacs + one of the 'roffs, > > TeX, LaTeX/LyX, SGML, XML, HTML... I've got some experience with DocBook, > > but I don't think that will really fit the bill. If I did use DocBook, I > > would have to do a lot of work on my own custom stylesheet. > > I'll echo what others have said. LaTeX if you need a lot of math, > otherwise I'd go with html. I use Vim/LateX, though I've played > with Lyx a little. I use the seminar document class for making > overheads - it has a few extra frills like boxes around the edge > of the slide, but nothing too fancy. The nice thing about LaTeX > is that it is pretty easy to transform to many different formats - > ps, pdf, html, etc. ... and the bad thing about LaTeX is that, well, it's TeX. ;^l Lately I've been writing stuff in the StarOffice format. The presentation package is not all that great, but it will create a website rather nicely. And it does graphics quite well. There is some mathematical capability beyond just fonts, FYI. It is in any case another option. Adios, Chris -- C.S. Cornuelle School of Mathematics/MCIM, University of Minnesota 206 Church St. SE, Minneapolis, MN 55455 (612) 626-8930v, (612) 624-2333f, bob at math.umn.edu Ferventer Vestite --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Mon Sep 11 09:55:05 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21153] You know you're a Linux geek when... In-Reply-To: <20000911071635.A10734@ares.usinternet.com>; from blutgens@usinternet.com on Mon, Sep 11, 2000 at 07:16:35AM -0500 References: <20000911071635.A10734@ares.usinternet.com> Message-ID: <20000911095505.J18777@real-time.com> > >* Freeing the mallocs seems a worthier cause than freeing the whales. > > You mean it's not? What's a whale? THose things that live in the t.v. right? > On the discovery channel. no, they're the big fish on the 'Atlantis' xscreensaver module. ;> Carl. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dutchman at uswest.net Mon Sep 11 10:00:02 2000 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21169] Use of RPM within Debian Message-ID: <39BCF372.18FBC4D8@mn.uswest.net> Greet the sun all, Question for the Debianers: Is there a utility that exists that allows me to install an *.RPM package into a Debian distro? Twice today, I have run into packages I would like to install but all they offer are .rpm packages and the *.debs are non-existant or woefully out of date. -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services dutchman@mn.uswest.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From esper at sherohman.org Mon Sep 11 10:04:07 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21169] Use of RPM within Debian In-Reply-To: <39BCF372.18FBC4D8@mn.uswest.net> from Perry Hoekstra at "Sep 11, 2000 10:00:02 am" Message-ID: Perry Hoekstra said: > Question for the Debianers: Is there a utility that exists that allows > me to install an *.RPM package into a Debian distro? Yep: alien. -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Sep 11 10:04:34 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21169] Use of RPM within Debian In-Reply-To: <39BCF372.18FBC4D8@mn.uswest.net> Message-ID: Hi, On Mon, 11 Sep 2000, Perry Hoekstra wrote: > Question for the Debianers: Is there a utility that exists that allows > me to install an *.RPM package into a Debian distro? Twice today, I > have run into packages I would like to install but all they offer are > .rpm packages and the *.debs are non-existant or woefully out of date. Well, fist of all, you can get and install RPM itself on any distro, and pretty much lots of Unix variants other than Linux. Second, there's a program called Alien which will let you install RPM/.deb/tgz/whatever. -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cbidler at talkware.net Mon Sep 11 10:17:27 2000 From: cbidler at talkware.net (Helper Monkey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21119] RH 5.1 question References: Message-ID: <39BCF787.5217E646@talkware.net> Thanks to everyone who helped me out with this one. Apparently the problem was User Error. Here's what my friend had to say in his last e-mail: > Some dumb-ass had > installed WordPerfect on the friggin 99meg root partition. We removed it. > Then noticed that somehow our var/ directory was *missing*. Our utmp and > wtmp files had been erased, and w,last, syslogd, etc. wouldn't work. We > fixed it by adding a couple of lines to the syslog.conf and restarting a > couple of times. Works now. THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU. -- <----------------------------------------------------------------------> Chris H. Bidler cbidler@talkware.net Associate Engineer, Applications Group Universal Talkware Corp. "In any event, is a O^(log N) search that returns the wrong answer really better than an O^N search that returns the right answer?" <----------------------------------------------------------------------> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kozmik at myrealbox.com Mon Sep 11 10:19:34 2000 From: kozmik at myrealbox.com (Kozmik Krash) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21169] Use of RPM within Debian Message-ID: <200009111522.e8BFMNF11796@sprite.real-time.com> im an idiot, but i think you can convert rpms into debs via ALIEN....as i said, im an idiot, imn not sure. :)) > Greet the sun all, > > Question for the Debianers: Is there a utility that exists that allows > me to install an *.RPM package into a Debian distro? Twice today, I > have run into packages I would like to install but all they offer are > .rpm packages and the *.debs are non-existant or woefully out of date. > > -- > Perry Hoekstra > E-Commerce Architect > Talent Software Services > dutchman@mn.uswest.net > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dutchman at uswest.net Mon Sep 11 10:24:27 2000 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21169] Use of RPM within Debian References: Message-ID: <39BCF92B.5B7DD1B7@mn.uswest.net> COOOOOOOOOL! I like it!! Thanks all, -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services dutchman@mn.uswest.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andy at theasis.com Mon Sep 11 05:26:20 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21119] RH 5.1 question In-Reply-To: <39BCF787.5217E646@talkware.net> Message-ID: Uhh.... "somehow" having all the logs disappear is cause for alarm. If this thing is network-connected, then that's a big red flag for a compromise of security. Andy > Thanks to everyone who helped me out with this one. Apparently the > problem > was User Error. Here's what my friend had to say in his last e-mail: > > > Some dumb-ass had > > installed WordPerfect on the friggin 99meg root partition. We removed it. > > Then noticed that somehow our var/ directory was *missing*. Our utmp and > > wtmp files had been erased, and w,last, syslogd, etc. wouldn't work. We > > fixed it by adding a couple of lines to the syslog.conf and restarting a > > couple of times. Works now. THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From seth_bernsen at udlp.com Mon Sep 11 10:25:41 2000 From: seth_bernsen at udlp.com (Seth I. Bernsen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21175] Kernel 2.3.99-pre6 with IPChains Message-ID: <39BCF975.12BB0778@udlp.com> All, I started with a RedHat server (6.2) and updated the kernel to 2.3.99-pre6 so that I could get my HD to work with an Ultra66 card. However, under this new kernel I have a strange network problem. Specifically when I use IPChains commands, like: /sbin/ipchains -M -S 7200 10 60 I get: ipchains: setting MASQ timeouts failed: Protocol not available I'm assuming 2.3.99-pre6 somehow implements networking a bit differently, but I can't figure out what it is. Any ideas? Thanks. Seth Bernsen --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jasonj at innominatus.com Mon Sep 11 10:42:49 2000 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21175] Kernel 2.3.99-pre6 with IPChains References: <39BCF975.12BB0778@udlp.com> Message-ID: <39BCFD79.B9974273@innominatus.com> I havent used any of the pre 2.4 kernels yet, but didnt they switch to iptables instead of ipchains? "Seth I. Bernsen" wrote: > All, > > I started with a RedHat server (6.2) and updated the kernel to > 2.3.99-pre6 so that I could get my HD to work with an Ultra66 card. > However, under this new kernel I have a strange network problem. > Specifically when I use IPChains commands, like: > > /sbin/ipchains -M -S 7200 10 60 > > I get: > > ipchains: setting MASQ timeouts failed: Protocol not available > > I'm assuming 2.3.99-pre6 somehow implements networking a bit > differently, but I can't figure out what it is. Any ideas? Thanks. > > Seth Bernsen > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Mon Sep 11 10:34:38 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21175] Kernel 2.3.99-pre6 with IPChains References: <39BCF975.12BB0778@udlp.com> Message-ID: <016501c01c05$cbffd850$dd29680a@tgt.com> That kernel uses netfilter instead of ipchains. I believe there is an ipchains module you can compile and load for ipchains compatibility - but it is not the default. Also, why don't you use the 2.4test7 kernel instead - it is bound to be a safer bet! Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Seth I. Bernsen To: TCLUG Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 10:25 AM Subject: [TCLUG:21175] Kernel 2.3.99-pre6 with IPChains > All, > > I started with a RedHat server (6.2) and updated the kernel to > 2.3.99-pre6 so that I could get my HD to work with an Ultra66 card. > However, under this new kernel I have a strange network problem. > Specifically when I use IPChains commands, like: > > /sbin/ipchains -M -S 7200 10 60 > > I get: > > ipchains: setting MASQ timeouts failed: Protocol not available > > I'm assuming 2.3.99-pre6 somehow implements networking a bit > differently, but I can't figure out what it is. Any ideas? Thanks. > > > Seth Bernsen > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tsandqui at yahoo.com Mon Sep 11 10:46:44 2000 From: tsandqui at yahoo.com (Tim Sandquist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21179] IMAP, sendmail and local delivery Message-ID: <20000911104644.A4949@yahoo.com> This if for all the mail gurus out there. How do you set up sendmail to work with Cyrus IMAP for delivering mail but also deliver mail locally (i.e. to root). In my sendmail.mc I have MAILER(`local') MAILER(`smtp') MAILER(`cyrus') among other things of course. I should probably give more info but if someone's done this alread it probably won't matter much. Any ideas? Thanks, Tim --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Mon Sep 11 10:45:43 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21152] electronic lecture notes In-Reply-To: ; from jpschewe@eggplant.mtu.net on Mon, Sep 11, 2000 at 08:20:52AM -0500 References: <20000911032258.I25108@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20000911104543.A14189@ringworld.org> * Jon Schewe [000911 08:19]: > Scott Dier writes: > > > Nevermind XML isn't a 'format' per se. Its more like SGML, but > > modernised. (well, yeah. thats stretching it) > > > > Html sucks for math too. Your best bet is to use latex/poscript, or > > check out the tex->java thing thats up here: > > The new standard for HTML, XHTML, has the ability to do math as well. Check > out http://www.w3.org/Math/. Thats really MathML, which you would be lucky to have a client using it ;) -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Investigating, it turned out that something was listening on 8080, but it turned itself off before I could identify it. (Which worries me, but that's beside the point...) Since then, I've been seeing an increased number of webcache attempts from him, which is getting really obnoxious. He doesn't have any reverse-DNS information for his box or the two directly upstream. Then traceroute shows a gd.cn.net address (root@gd.cn.net bounces, root@cn.net appears to be undeliverable in a fashion that sits around for several days before MTAs give up on it), 4 more unnamed IPs, and then (8 hops before the machine which is bugging me) a whole bunch of alter.net machines. I'm fairly sure he's on a Win32 box (no telnetd, no fingerd, no httpd, no smtpd, and it was turned off in the wee hours the one time I got desperate enough to try getting information via nmap), but that and his IP address are all I know. Where do I go from here in trying to either find out who this guy is or find someone who does know and will tell him to knock it off? -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cbidler at talkware.net Mon Sep 11 10:48:51 2000 From: cbidler at talkware.net (Helper Monkey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21119] RH 5.1 question References: Message-ID: <39BCFEE3.7C1F5EFA@talkware.net> andy@theasis.com wrote: > > Uhh.... > "somehow" having all the logs disappear is cause for alarm. > If this thing is network-connected, then that's a big red flag for a > compromise of security. > > Andy I don't know if the machine is network-connected, as I'm pretty sure it's not used for much, but I passed it along anyway. I wouldn't have thought of that; thanks for bringing it up. -- <----------------------------------------------------------------------> Chris H. Bidler cbidler@talkware.net Associate Engineer, Applications Group Universal Talkware Corp. "In any event, is a O^(log N) search that returns the wrong answer really better than an O^N search that returns the right answer?" <----------------------------------------------------------------------> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Mon Sep 11 10:51:24 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21181] Finding admin of anonymous machine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: whois ip.address.of.luser@arin.net will give you the information on the network coordinator. I can help you decode it and find out who owns what if you'd like. Their should be a technical POC for his block and his upstream. postmaster@ is /always/ supposed to be deliverable, root doesn't have to be. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Mon, 11 Sep 2000, Dave Sherohman wrote: > A few days ago, someone decided that my web server would be good to use for > caching (no, I have no idea why... I'm not even running squid or wwwoffle) > and I started getting a couple log messages a day about webcache connection > attempts from his (fixed) IP address. > > Investigating, it turned out that something was listening on 8080, but it > turned itself off before I could identify it. (Which worries me, but that's > beside the point...) Since then, I've been seeing an increased number of > webcache attempts from him, which is getting really obnoxious. > > He doesn't have any reverse-DNS information for his box or the two directly > upstream. Then traceroute shows a gd.cn.net address (root@gd.cn.net bounces, > root@cn.net appears to be undeliverable in a fashion that sits around for > several days before MTAs give up on it), 4 more unnamed IPs, and then (8 > hops before the machine which is bugging me) a whole bunch of alter.net > machines. > > I'm fairly sure he's on a Win32 box (no telnetd, no fingerd, no httpd, no > smtpd, and it was turned off in the wee hours the one time I got desperate > enough to try getting information via nmap), but that and his IP address are > all I know. > > Where do I go from here in trying to either find out who this guy is or find > someone who does know and will tell him to knock it off? > > -- > "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist > "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton > Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ > !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Mon Sep 11 10:54:16 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21119] RH 5.1 question (sudo!) References: <39BCF787.5217E646@talkware.net> Message-ID: <39BD0028.F143376F@ltiflex.com> Whoops. Change the root password and configure sudo. Some people can be useful with full root access, others, well, you see what happens. =) For example, I'd never want my little brother to have root access, but it is ok for him (and my roomates) to use my cd burner: # User alias specification User_Alias BURNERS = adam, zibby, kbullock, andyzib, dieman # Cmnd alias specification Cmnd_Alias CDBURN = /usr/bin/xcdroast, /usr/bin/cdrecord, /usr/bin/mkisofs, /usr/bin/cdparanoia BURNERS ALL = NOPASSWD: CDBURN Pretty slick. Downside of sudo (from a usiblaty standpoint) is you have to define everything the frontend uses, I tried just putting xcdroast there with a no go. From a security standpoint, this is a good thing. Anyway, I'd suggest to your friend that she/he decide what admin is capible of handling what tasks, and assigning those tasks via sudo instead of root. As they learn more about UNIX/Linux, they can get more access. Another good thing for (for new users and root) to do is alias rm in the shell config. ( alias rm='rm -i' for bash and alias rm 'rm -i' for tcsh ) The -i switch makes rm be interactive, meaning it confirms before removing. Might prevent important things like /var from dissappearing. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jh at sgi.com Mon Sep 11 10:59:16 2000 From: jh at sgi.com (jh@sgi.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21080] SGI Visual Workstations In-Reply-To: <20000907121616.G15700@real-time.com> from "Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom" at Sep 07, 2000 12:16:16 PM Message-ID: <200009111559.KAA22200@tux.americas.sgi.com> Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom writes: > since someone was asking yesterday, I found that > Ars Technica had a review of them a year or more ago. > http://www.arstechnica.com/reviews/1q99/sgivw.html > > they sound very sexy, tho. :) a boot PROM instead of a BIOS, a crossbar switch instead of a shared bus, and 2 64-bit PCI slots... > > > Carl Soderstrom That review is about the 320 & 540, which have been discontinued. The new machines, 230, 330 & 550, are much more stock ia32 boxes, with special attention to graphics (I don't know graphics, though, so I can't talk about details). For details, see . -- John Hesterberg email: jh@sgi.com Technical Project Leader phone: 651-683-5879 HPC Linux SGI --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From esper at sherohman.org Mon Sep 11 11:00:28 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21181] Finding admin of anonymous machine In-Reply-To: from Adam Maloney at "Sep 11, 2000 10:51:24 am" Message-ID: Adam Maloney said: > whois ip.address.of.luser@arin.net > > will give you the information on the network coordinator. I can help you > decode it and find out who owns what if you'd like. --- pchan ~$ whois xx.xxx.xxx.xx@arin.net Whois Server Version 1.3 Domain names in the .com, .net, and .org domains can now be registered with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net for detailed information. No match for "xx.xxx.xxx.xx@ARIN.NET". >>> Last update of whois database: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 04:45:28 EDT <<< The Registry database contains ONLY .COM, .NET, .ORG, .EDU domains and Registrars. --- I tried that same whois command line on myself and got identical results (aside from the IP address). Side question: What (if anything) is the functional difference between using whois to look for a.b.c.d@arin.net vs. d.c.b.a.in-addr.arpa? -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Mon Sep 11 11:07:44 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21181] Finding admin of anonymous machine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The whois for the IP address@arin.net should return the SWIP information. unixws1:~/todo $ whois 209.98.16.1@arin.net [arin.net] Vector Internet Services, Inc. (NETBLK-VECTOR-BLK1) VECTOR-BLK1 209.98.0.0 - 209.98.255.255 Sihope Communications (NETBLK-VECTOR-SIHOPE-1) VECTOR-SIHOPE-1 209.98.16.0 - 209.98.31.255 To single out one record, look it up with "!xxx", where xxx is the handle, shown in parenthesis following the name, which comes first. The ARIN Registration Services Host contains ONLY Internet Network Information: Networks, ASN's, and related POC's. Please use the whois server at rs.internic.net for DOMAIN related Information and whois.nic.mil for NIPRNET Information. Lack of reverse DNS information does not mean lack of SWIP information. For some reason that whole netblock is missing, which is interesting. You should be able to contact whoever is the last identifiable hop (alternet you said?) and ask them for help on tracing it further. Just tell them you're getting bogons from an IP address in one of their customers netblocks. If you mail me the IP off list I'll try and figure out what AS is advertising routes for it and track them down that way. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Mon, 11 Sep 2000, Dave Sherohman wrote: > Adam Maloney said: > > whois ip.address.of.luser@arin.net > > > > will give you the information on the network coordinator. I can help you > > decode it and find out who owns what if you'd like. > > --- > pchan ~$ whois xx.xxx.xxx.xx@arin.net > > Whois Server Version 1.3 > > Domain names in the .com, .net, and .org domains can now be registered > with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net > for detailed information. > > No match for "xx.xxx.xxx.xx@ARIN.NET". > > >>> Last update of whois database: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 04:45:28 EDT <<< > > The Registry database contains ONLY .COM, .NET, .ORG, .EDU domains and > Registrars. > --- > > I tried that same whois command line on myself and got identical results > (aside from the IP address). > > Side question: What (if anything) is the functional difference between using > whois to look for a.b.c.d@arin.net vs. d.c.b.a.in-addr.arpa? > > -- > "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist > "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton > Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ > !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Sep 11 11:08:38 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21181] Finding admin of anonymous machine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Mon, 11 Sep 2000, Dave Sherohman wrote: > pchan ~$ whois xx.xxx.xxx.xx@arin.net ... > Domain names in the .com, .net, and .org domains can now be registered > with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net > for detailed information. Looks like you're not using fwhois. Try "whois ip.address -h whois.arin.net" -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jh at sgi.com Mon Sep 11 11:11:50 2000 From: jh at sgi.com (jh@sgi.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21025] SGI Visual Workstations In-Reply-To: <20000906140906.R54877@acm.cs.umn.edu> from "Gabe Turner (officer)" at Sep 06, 2000 02:09:06 PM Message-ID: <200009111611.LAA22242@tux.americas.sgi.com> "Gabe Turner (officer)" writes: > Just wondering if anyone has played around with SGIs new line of their > Visual Workstations (specifically the 230 and 330 models) running Linux. > > Remember when I posted awhile back about OpenGL? Well I tried everything > short of a commercial Xserver (e.g. Accel-X) and it seems since there are > no OpenGL[tm] GL implementations for Linux, the commercial software > packages we use (run on IRIX/AIX, display on Linux) don't work - they just > exit with an error saying that they couldn't display properly because some > OpenGL calls didn't work. > > Well, I'm going to see if I can get a Visual Workstation to try out, since > they claim to come with OpenGL[tm] hardware (and drivers). > > Anyone have a chance to play around with them? Any caveats? > > TIA, > > Gabe I use a 230, but don't do any graphics programming, or even things that push the graphics very hard. The standard marketing info is at http://www.sgi.com/workstations/index.html I'd be happy to answer any specific questions if I can... I could possibly try running OpenGL stuff you're interested in to see if it runs, if there are demo or test versions available. No caveats, other than to turn off the on-board sound in the bios, and use the PCI sound it comes with. Running sndconfig and letting it try to configure the on-board sound is a rather unpleasant experience. I suppose it works fine out of the box, but the first thing I did was to reinstall it from scratch... Oh yea, the OpenGL driver only works with XFree 4.0, ie not with 3.3 or earlier, I think. -- John Hesterberg email: jh@sgi.com Technical Project Leader phone: 651-683-5879 HPC Linux SGI --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tsandqui at yahoo.com Mon Sep 11 11:22:15 2000 From: tsandqui at yahoo.com (Tim Sandquist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21179] IMAP, sendmail and local delivery In-Reply-To: <20000911104644.A4949@yahoo.com>; from tsandqui@yahoo.com on Mon, Sep 11, 2000 at 10:46:44AM -0500 References: <20000911104644.A4949@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20000911112215.A5024@yahoo.com> Nevermind everyone, I figured it out. In the Cyrus IMAP howto it has a redefined local rule 0 for cyrus but I used the one that was in the prototype mc file in the sendmail distro. Now I just have to figure out what the local rule 0 stuff does. Guess I'll have to read the bat book soon. :) Tim On Mon, Sep 11, 2000 at 10:46:44AM -0500, Tim Sandquist wrote: > This if for all the mail gurus out there. > > How do you set up sendmail to work with Cyrus IMAP for delivering > mail but also deliver mail locally (i.e. to root). > > In my sendmail.mc I have > > MAILER(`local') > MAILER(`smtp') > MAILER(`cyrus') > > among other things of course. > I should probably give more info but if someone's done this alread it > probably won't matter much. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks, > > Tim > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Mon Sep 11 11:15:40 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21175] Kernel 2.3.99-pre6 with IPChains References: <39BCF975.12BB0778@udlp.com> Message-ID: <39BD052C.298C98A7@tcfreenet.org> "> I started with a RedHat server (6.2) and updated the kernel to > 2.3.99-pre6 so that I could get my HD to work with an Ultra66 card. > However, under this new kernel I have a strange network problem. > Specifically when I use IPChains commands, like: > > /sbin/ipchains -M -S 7200 10 60 > > I get: > > ipchains: setting MASQ timeouts failed: Protocol not available > > I'm assuming 2.3.99-pre6 somehow implements networking a bit > differently, but I can't figure out what it is. Any ideas? Thanks. Kernel 2.3/2.4 has yet another new firewalling setup requiring new user space tools. Can't remember what all its called offhand... And why are you using 2.3 rather than 2.4test? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From esper at sherohman.org Mon Sep 11 11:18:32 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21181] Finding admin of anonymous machine In-Reply-To: from Yaron at "Sep 11, 2000 11:08:38 am" Message-ID: Yaron said: > Looks like you're not using fwhois. Where would I find a copy? Debian doen't mention it in any of their package descriptions and searching for it on freshmeat returns Xwhois, but nothing else. > Try "whois ip.address -h whois.arin.net" That told me to check apnic's database and apnic shows it being both allocated to and controlled by China Telecom. (Whee...) Two contact addresses show, hostmaster@ns.chinanet.cn.net and what looks like a personal address, but with the full contact information (address, phone) present, I'd guess it's another chinanet employee rather than the end user. Thanks! -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Mon Sep 11 11:36:06 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21119] RH 5.1 question (sudo!) References: <39BCF787.5217E646@talkware.net> <39BD0028.F143376F@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <39BD09F6.544B049@tcfreenet.org> > Cmnd_Alias CDBURN = /usr/bin/xcdroast, /usr/bin/cdrecord, /usr/bin/mkisofs, > /usr/bin/cdparanoia > > Pretty slick. Downside of sudo (from a usiblaty standpoint) is you have to > define everything the frontend uses, I tried just putting xcdroast there > with a no go. From a security standpoint, this is a good thing. I don't get this. If xcdroast get root, shouldn't everything it calls be root too? Can you make xcdroast call cdrecord and such through sudo? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From esper at sherohman.org Mon Sep 11 11:37:13 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21119] RH 5.1 question (sudo!) In-Reply-To: <39BD09F6.544B049@tcfreenet.org> from Callum Lerwick at "Sep 11, 2000 11:36:06 am" Message-ID: Callum Lerwick said: > I don't get this. If xcdroast get root, shouldn't everything it calls be > root too? Can you make xcdroast call cdrecord and such through sudo? Many programs, when run with root privileges, hold on to them only as long as they're needed and drop them the rest of the time. For example, apache only needs to be root when it's creating or destroying processes and operates as a non-privileged user the rest of the time. This way, if there's, e.g., a buffer overrun in a URI parsing routine, anything that exploits that overrun has to exploit it as a normal user, not as root. -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From wilson at visi.com Mon Sep 11 11:38:22 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21152] electronic lecture notes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Sep 2000, Philip C Mendelsohn wrote: > On Sun, 10 Sep 2000, Timothy Wilson wrote: > > > I'd like to begin putting my lecture notes and overhead projector > > transparencies in electronic format. I wonder if someone has a quick > > recommendation. > I'd say it depends on what subject you're teaching and what age. I assume > we're talking H.S. from your sig. If it's math or a hard science, I'd go > with something TeX-ey, since they'll run into it later. I'm teaching 9th grade science and 12th grade physics. The math capabilities of TeX would be cool. I still think that an XML system that would allow me to do lesson planning, unit planning, and integrate everything together would be cool. Zope is quickly gaining the ability to handle XML documents elegantly which would provide a method of publishing everything online if I wanted to. I'll going to check it out and see what's out there. Worst case scenario would seem to be TeX/LaTeX (possibly via LyX). That's not bad for a worst case scenario. While I have the floor I'll take this opportunity to say that almost no high school physics student will ever see TeX in their academic careers. Even those in the most advanced high school courses rarely get to the level in college science or math that would ever expose them to TeX. The recognition that most students taking high school physics will never take another physics course *should* make a difference in the way h.s. physics is taught. Later, Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From bob at math.umn.edu Mon Sep 11 11:42:37 2000 From: bob at math.umn.edu (bob@math.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21152] electronic lecture notes In-Reply-To: from Timothy Wilson at "Sep 11, 2000 11:38:22 am" Message-ID: <20000911164237.23039.qmail@khusro.math.umn.edu> Timothy Wilson allegedly wrote: > On Mon, 11 Sep 2000, Philip C Mendelsohn wrote: > > > On Sun, 10 Sep 2000, Timothy Wilson wrote: > > > > > I'd like to begin putting my lecture notes and overhead projector > > > transparencies in electronic format. I wonder if someone has a quick > > > recommendation. > > > I'd say it depends on what subject you're teaching and what age. I assume > > we're talking H.S. from your sig. If it's math or a hard science, I'd go > > with something TeX-ey, since they'll run into it later. > > I'm teaching 9th grade science and 12th grade physics. The math capabilities > of TeX would be cool. > > While I have the floor I'll take this opportunity to say that almost no > high school physics student will ever see TeX in their academic careers. > Even those in the most advanced high school courses rarely get to the level > in college science or math that would ever expose them to TeX. The > recognition that most students taking high school physics will never take > another physics course *should* make a difference in the way h.s. physics is > taught. > Testify, Brother! :^) BTW, have you invited the Physics Force to your school? If so, was it worthwhile? FYI, http://www.physics.umn.edu/pforce/. Adios, Chris -- C.S. Cornuelle School of Mathematics/MCIM, University of Minnesota 206 Church St. SE, Minneapolis, MN 55455 (612) 626-8930v, (612) 624-2333f, bob at math.umn.edu Ferventer Vestite --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Mon Sep 11 11:58:45 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21119] RH 5.1 question (sudo!) References: <39BCF787.5217E646@talkware.net> <39BD0028.F143376F@ltiflex.com> <39BD09F6.544B049@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <39BD0F45.D1377A7D@ltiflex.com> I don't know why it wouldn't work, only that it wouldn't. Until I defined the programs xcdroast called, I kept geting permission denied messages. I some ways it makes sence, in others it doesn't. Maybe there is a sudo option to allow it. I only read the sudo docs until I knew enough to do what I wanted to do. That doesn't mean I found the best way to do it. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Mon Sep 11 12:24:57 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21181] Finding admin of anonymous machine In-Reply-To: ; from esper@sherohman.org on Mon, Sep 11, 2000 at 11:18:32AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20000911122457.B14189@ringworld.org> * Dave Sherohman [000911 11:18]: > That told me to check apnic's database and apnic shows it being both > allocated to and controlled by China Telecom. (Whee...) 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They get to demonstrate things that you couldn't demonstrate in class due to legal libilaty. It's usually a good experience for kids to see pratical (or fun as the case may be) applications of what they are learning in class. One of the fun demonstrations we did in class was a merry-go-round thing. Two students sitting directly across from eachother attempted to throw a ball to eachother while spinning. Really neat relativity example. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Mon Sep 11 13:12:36 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21152] electronic lecture notes In-Reply-To: <39BD1F63.3816A066@ltiflex.com>; from andyzb@ltiflex.com on Mon, Sep 11, 2000 at 01:07:31PM -0500 References: <20000911164237.23039.qmail@khusro.math.umn.edu> <39BD1F63.3816A066@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <20000911131236.C14189@ringworld.org> * Andy Zbikowski [000911 13:08]: > > > > BTW, have you invited the Physics Force to your school? If so, was it > > worthwhile? FYI, http://www.physics.umn.edu/pforce/. > > > > Granted, I'm a bit biased since Jack Netland was my physics teacher, > but...yes. Definitly worthwile. They get to demonstrate things that you Yes. I also had Netland as a teacher (oh, imagine that) and the demos were great. Physics Force also did a biyearly(?) thing over here at northrup(sp?). -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This way, if there's, e.g., a > buffer overrun in a URI parsing routine, anything that exploits that overrun > has to exploit it as a normal user, not as root. Yeah but xcdroast is just being given root privs externally, it doesn't have any code for that in it does it? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From seth_bernsen at udlp.com Mon Sep 11 13:20:50 2000 From: seth_bernsen at udlp.com (Seth I. Bernsen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21175] Kernel 2.3.99-pre6 with IPChains References: <3398289299@udlp.com> Message-ID: <39BD2282.42C338AE@udlp.com> Callum Lerwick wrote: > > "> I started with a RedHat server (6.2) and updated the kernel to > > 2.3.99-pre6 so that I could get my HD to work with an Ultra66 card. > > However, under this new kernel I have a strange network problem. > > Specifically when I use IPChains commands, like: > > > > /sbin/ipchains -M -S 7200 10 60 > > > > I get: > > > > ipchains: setting MASQ timeouts failed: Protocol not available > > > > I'm assuming 2.3.99-pre6 somehow implements networking a bit > > differently, but I can't figure out what it is. Any ideas? Thanks. > > Kernel 2.3/2.4 has yet another new firewalling setup requiring new user > space tools. Can't remember what all its called offhand... And why are > you using 2.3 rather than 2.4test? I have only USWest to blame. When I setup the server, right after ordering DSL service from USWest, 2.3.99-pre6 was the latest and greatest. The DSL service has just been installed and it's only now that I'm finding these problems. I will probably switch to 2.4 now, based on some of the comments I've heard. I'm also going to investigate "netfilter". Thanks! -- Seth Bernsen --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dusk at ravendusk.org Mon Sep 11 13:58:03 2000 From: dusk at ravendusk.org (John R. Sheets) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21152] electronic lecture notes In-Reply-To: ; from wilson@visi.com on Sun, Sep 10, 2000 at 09:33:12PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20000911135802.C23447@ravendusk.org> On Sunday, September 10, 2000, Timothy Wilson wrote: > > Any other DTDs that would work well for this. > > The possibility of using XML is attractive because I could begin to do some > really fun things with indexing and searching old lectures, including > multimedia bits, and other coolness. Have you used DocBook much? It's a fairly intuitive SGML/XML DTD geared towards technical documents. A lot of the major open source projects are using it (q.v., GNOME, KDE, and now Wine). I imagine it'll be around for quite some time. It's rapidly becoming an informal standard. Stylesheets exist (http://nwalsh.com/) to convert it to HTML, PDF, PostScript, and probably others. John -- dusk@ravendusk.org http://www.gnome.org jsheets@codeweavers.com http://www.worldforge.org http://advogato.org/person/jsheets --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mikeg at tcamerican.com Mon Sep 11 14:04:54 2000 From: mikeg at tcamerican.com (Mike Glaser) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21204] Question on Bourne shell script. Message-ID: <39BCE686.14397.1694573@localhost> I am working on a shell script to run a tape backup for one of my servers and I have a small problem. Since I am using cpio, I first generate list of all files on the server with the find command. Then I want to go back and remove any directories that meet a certain pattern (like ' ^ \ /proc \ / ' ) that is included in another 'exclude' file. I thought of one way to do that using 'grep -v .... > somefile.txt' My problem is, how do I read in the list of excluded directories from a file and pass that to grep? I guess I don't understand redirection and shell programming enough to solve my problem. I could figure out a solution with Perl, but I must write te code in a bash script. This is what I have now, but it doesn't work... grep -v file.txt < cat exclude_list.txt > new_shorter_file.txt If anyone could help me out I would appreciate it! Thank-you, Mike Glaser --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Mon Sep 11 14:10:32 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (Gabe Turner (officer)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21204] Question on Bourne shell script. In-Reply-To: <39BCE686.14397.1694573@localhost>; from mikeg@tcamerican.com on Mon, Sep 11, 2000 at 02:04:54PM -0500 References: <39BCE686.14397.1694573@localhost> Message-ID: <20000911141032.C29921@acm.cs.umn.edu> If the list has a seperate directory on each line of baddirs.txt, do this: cat baddirs.txt | xargs grep -v Gabe On Mon, Sep 11, 2000 at 02:04:54PM -0500, Mike Glaser wrote: > I am working on a shell script to run a tape backup for one of my servers and I > have a small problem. > > Since I am using cpio, I first generate list of all files on the server with the find > command. Then I want to go back and remove any directories that meet a > certain pattern (like ' ^ \ /proc \ / ' ) that is included in another 'exclude' file. I > thought of one way to do that using 'grep -v .... > somefile.txt' > > My problem is, how do I read in the list of excluded directories from a file and > pass that to grep? I guess I don't understand redirection and shell > programming enough to solve my problem. I could figure out a solution with > Perl, but I must write te code in a bash script. > > This is what I have now, but it doesn't work... > grep -v file.txt < cat exclude_list.txt > new_shorter_file.txt > > If anyone could help me out I would appreciate it! > Thank-you, > Mike Glaser > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "My dinosaur droppings! Painted like Easter eggs!" - Ren Hoek in "Sven Hoek" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From wilson at visi.com Mon Sep 11 15:10:10 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21152] electronic lecture notes In-Reply-To: <20000911135802.C23447@ravendusk.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Sep 2000, John R. Sheets wrote: > On Sunday, September 10, 2000, Timothy Wilson wrote: > > > > Any other DTDs that would work well for this. > > > > The possibility of using XML is attractive because I could begin to do some > > really fun things with indexing and searching old lectures, including > > multimedia bits, and other coolness. > > Have you used DocBook much? It's a fairly intuitive SGML/XML DTD geared > towards technical documents. A lot of the major open source projects > are using it (q.v., GNOME, KDE, and now Wine). I imagine it'll be > around for quite some time. It's rapidly becoming an informal standard. > Stylesheets exist (http://nwalsh.com/) to convert it to HTML, PDF, > PostScript, and probably others. Yes, DocBook is certainly first on my list of things to try. I've done some work in the SGML version, but I'll probably investigate the XML version now since it allows you to incorporate MathML. One moderately cool thing is that I could include answers and mathematical solutions to questions from my lecture right in the XML source. Then, based on what stylesheet I use, it would produce text with or without the answers. An integrated, XML-based course planning tool that allowed me to integrate all of the sorts of planning I do (e.g., unit goals, daily lectures, quizzes, test, graduation standards) would be awesome. Someday maybe I'll create one. :-) -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Mon Sep 11 15:25:21 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21204] Question on Bourne shell script. In-Reply-To: <39BCE686.14397.1694573@localhost> Message-ID: You have two files, one is the list of all files and the other is a list of files to exclude? all_files is the 1st, exclude is the second: for a in `cat exclude` do grep -v "$a" all_files > temp.$$ cp temp.$$ all_files done That's off the top of my head. There's a much easier way to do this but it eludes me right now (actually there are tons of ways to do this, the beauty of bash!). Test this first, I just pulled it straight out of thin air and haven't checked it. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Mon, 11 Sep 2000, Mike Glaser wrote: > I am working on a shell script to run a tape backup for one of my servers and I > have a small problem. > > Since I am using cpio, I first generate list of all files on the server with the find > command. Then I want to go back and remove any directories that meet a > certain pattern (like ' ^ \ /proc \ / ' ) that is included in another 'exclude' file. I > thought of one way to do that using 'grep -v .... > somefile.txt' > > My problem is, how do I read in the list of excluded directories from a file and > pass that to grep? I guess I don't understand redirection and shell > programming enough to solve my problem. I could figure out a solution with > Perl, but I must write te code in a bash script. > > This is what I have now, but it doesn't work... > grep -v file.txt < cat exclude_list.txt > new_shorter_file.txt > > If anyone could help me out I would appreciate it! > Thank-you, > Mike Glaser > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Mon Sep 11 17:08:44 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21152] electronic lecture notes In-Reply-To: <20000911143236.22421.qmail@khusro.math.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Sep 2000 bob@math.umn.edu wrote: > ... and the bad thing about LaTeX is that, well, it's TeX. ;^l What's your beef with TeX? Or are you simply an "unstructured thinker?" ;) Phil M -- Lottery: a tax on people who are bad at math --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Mon Sep 11 17:12:15 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21152] electronic lecture notes In-Reply-To: <20000911104543.A14189@ringworld.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Sep 2000, Scott Dier wrote: > > The new standard for HTML, XHTML, has the ability to do math as well. Check > > out http://www.w3.org/Math/. > > Thats really MathML, which you would be lucky to have a client using it > ;) I'm pretty sure amaya does, but that doesn't mean I think MathML is a good idea. Better than pdflatex, but not by much! Phil M -- Lottery: a tax on people who are bad at math --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Mon Sep 11 17:18:46 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21152] electronic lecture notes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Sep 2000, Timothy Wilson wrote: > > While I have the floor I'll take this opportunity to say that almost no > high school physics student will ever see TeX in their academic careers. > Even those in the most advanced high school courses rarely get to the level > in college science or math that would ever expose them to TeX. The > recognition that most students taking high school physics will never take > another physics course *should* make a difference in the way h.s. physics is > taught. > What are you saying? That most H.S. physics students are losers? That we don't teach enough physics? That not enough people use TeX? ;-) Certainly there's sense in teaching adaptively for the students. But I just got puzzled because your argument started to sound a little like the "Why do I have to learn something if I'm not going to use it directly?" question. Sure, you don't want to try to teach a pig to sing, but there's a difference between a "trained" person and an "educated" person. That's far enough OT -- I'm just not clear what sentiment your expressing -- it's probably not even one I've mentioned! (Happy to discuss off list..) Phil M -- Lottery: a tax on people who are bad at math --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Mon Sep 11 17:26:57 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21152] electronic lecture notes In-Reply-To: <39BD1F63.3816A066@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Sep 2000, Andy Zbikowski wrote: > They get to demonstrate things that you > couldn't demonstrate in class due to legal libilaty. It's usually a good > experience for kids to see pratical (or fun as the case may be) applications > of what they are learning in class. > > One of the fun demonstrations we did in class was a merry-go-round thing. > Two students sitting directly across from eachother attempted to throw a > ball to eachother while spinning. Really neat relativity example. I'm not trying to start any contests of one-up-manship or anything, and I'm not completely familiar with the Physics Force, but you did remind me of the Physics field trips we took when I was in H.S. in Albuquerque, NM. Standing on the catwalk over one of the 30,000 gallon water-filled first-stage capacitors of PBFA II (Particle Beam Fusion Accelerator II) was pretty cool. It's now the Z-machine (if anyone reads SciAm -- it was in there a few months ago.) But then again, the fathers and mothers of more than half the class worked out at Sandia National Labs or consulted up at LANL. (BTW, isn't the merry-go-round an example of the Coriolis effect, not relativity? I'm just a math guy, I could be wrong.) Phil M -- Lottery: a tax on people who are bad at math --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Mon Sep 11 19:44:56 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21212] Pinstripe and kernel 2.4.0-test8 Message-ID: <20000911194456.C15474@real-time.com> Ok, I have not read all that much on pinstripe, but I was wondering are all the 'base' requirements in pinstripe for the 2.4.0 kernel series? Meaning, the modutils, binutils, pcmcia-cs, etc..? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andy at theasis.com Mon Sep 11 15:07:04 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21212] Pinstripe and kernel 2.4.0-test8 In-Reply-To: <20000911194456.C15474@real-time.com> Message-ID: > Ok, I have not read all that much on pinstripe, but I was wondering are all the > 'base' requirements in pinstripe for the 2.4.0 kernel series? > > Meaning, the modutils, binutils, pcmcia-cs, etc..? Nope. Andy --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From gsa700 at mediaone.net Mon Sep 11 21:01:23 2000 From: gsa700 at mediaone.net (Dave Erickson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21214] IP Masquerading with 2.4.0-test-8 Message-ID: <39BD8E73.2A64F1B4@mediaone.net> Anybody got this working yet? I have it compiled in but the userspace tools aren't there. I thought it was backwards compatible with ipchains??? Thanks. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net Mon Sep 11 23:09:21 2000 From: jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21152] electronic lecture notes In-Reply-To: Scott Dier's message of "Mon, 11 Sep 2000 13:12:36 -0500" References: <20000911164237.23039.qmail@khusro.math.umn.edu> <39BD1F63.3816A066@ltiflex.com> <20000911131236.C14189@ringworld.org> Message-ID: Scott Dier writes: > * Andy Zbikowski [000911 13:08]: > > > > > > BTW, have you invited the Physics Force to your school? If so, was it > > > worthwhile? FYI, http://www.physics.umn.edu/pforce/. > > > > > > > Granted, I'm a bit biased since Jack Netland was my physics teacher, > > but...yes. Definitly worthwile. They get to demonstrate things that you > > Yes. I also had Netland as a teacher (oh, imagine that) and the demos > were great. Physics Force also did a biyearly(?) thing over here at > northrup(sp?). So did I, what are the odds that we all had Jack Netland for physics? Did you two goto Osseo too? -- Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Mon Sep 11 23:12:04 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21152] electronic lecture notes In-Reply-To: ; from jpschewe@eggplant.mtu.net on Mon, Sep 11, 2000 at 11:09:21PM -0500 References: <20000911164237.23039.qmail@khusro.math.umn.edu> <39BD1F63.3816A066@ltiflex.com> <20000911131236.C14189@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20000911231204.B21538@ringworld.org> * Jon Schewe [000911 23:07]: > So did I, what are the odds that we all had Jack Netland for physics? Did you > two goto Osseo too? No, netland was at MGSH when we had him. Don't know what hes up to now, I think he was planning to retire and teach some college courses perhaps. dono. -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 233 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20000911/554ca7d6/attachment.pgp -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net Mon Sep 11 23:17:20 2000 From: jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21204] Question on Bourne shell script. In-Reply-To: "Mike Glaser"'s message of "Mon, 11 Sep 2000 14:04:54 -0500" References: <39BCE686.14397.1694573@localhost> Message-ID: "Mike Glaser" writes: > I am working on a shell script to run a tape backup for one of my servers and I > have a small problem. > > Since I am using cpio, I first generate list of all files on the server with the find > command. Then I want to go back and remove any directories that meet a > certain pattern (like ' ^ \ /proc \ / ' ) that is included in another 'exclude' file. I > thought of one way to do that using 'grep -v .... > somefile.txt' > Just do it with find. find / ! -name '/proc' ! -name 'foo' ... You can use regular expressions in the names too. -- Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Tue Sep 12 00:52:18 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21218] PGP5 vs PGP2 vs GPG Message-ID: <20000912005218.A24224@real-time.com> I have been a long time user of pgp5, now I see everyone is making recommendations to move to gpg. Has anyone made this move? Does gpg support the pgp5 keyring? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Tue Sep 12 07:09:43 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (Gabe Turner (officer)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21218] PGP5 vs PGP2 vs GPG In-Reply-To: <20000912005218.A24224@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Tue, Sep 12, 2000 at 12:52:18AM -0500 References: <20000912005218.A24224@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20000912070943.A5597@sorry.cs.umn.edu> AFAIK, gpg does not _yet_ include RSA encryption. I'm sure they've been working vigorously to include it since the algo was released into the public domain. Also, AFIAK, there is some extremely obscure security hole with PGP v.* (yes, all versions - well at least up through 5). Personally, I use PGP 2.6 because most of the keys I see are of the RSA sort. Gabe On Tue, Sep 12, 2000 at 12:52:18AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > I have been a long time user of pgp5, now I see everyone is making > recommendations to move to gpg. > > Has anyone made this move? > > Does gpg support the pgp5 keyring? > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my church." - Thomas Paine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Tue Sep 12 08:37:57 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21218] PGP5 vs PGP2 vs GPG References: <20000912005218.A24224@real-time.com> <20000912070943.A5597@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <39BE31B5.140D9A6C@ltiflex.com> Right from the debian package descriptions: gpg-rsa - RSA (PGP 2.x-compatible) module for GNU Privacy Guard This package contains an extension module for the GNU Privacy Guard (GPG), adding support for the RSA public key algorithm from RSA Laboratories. RSA is required to support standard PGP 2.x keys fully with GPG. Note that RSA is patented in the US until at least September, 2000; if you are encumbered by those US patents, please use gpg-rsaref package. See /usr/share/doc/gpg-rsa/copyright for more info. gpg-rsaref - RSAREF module for GNU Privacy Guard This module implements the RSA public key algorithm using the RSAREF library from RSA Labratories. It should be used within the United States. This module isn't terribly great as RSAREF has no concept of secure memory so the secret key and the symmetric cipher are written to insecure memory in several places in this code and within the RSAREF lib. Memory that is touched by sensitive information is blanked out before being freed, so in effect this is as secure as PGP2.x is on unix systems. If you aren't encumbered by the US patents, please use gpg-rsa. gpg-idea - IDEA (PGP 2.x-compatible) module for GNU Privacy Guard This package contains an extension module for the GNU Privacy Guard (GPG), adding support for the IDEA cipher algorithm. RSA and IDEA are required to support standard PGP 2.x keys fully with GPG (RSA only will do for signature verification though). IDEA is also the default cipher used by PGP 2.x, and is required to decrypt data sent by someone using PGP 2.x, to encrypt data for a PGP 2.x user, and to sign if you have a passphrase on your PGP secret key (the passphrase is signature verification though). IDEA is also the default cipher used by PGP 2.x, and is required to decrypt data sent by someone using PGP 2.x, to encrypt data for a PGP 2.x user, and to sign if you have a passphrase on your PGP secret key (the passphrase is encrypted using IDEA). NB you can use PGP to remove the passphrase, copy the key to GPG, and add a passphrase with GPG, and still sign without IDEA. IDEA is unfortunately patented with big restrictions in Europe and the USA - please see /usr/share/doc/gpg-idea/copyright. And pulled from the GnuPG site ( http://www.gnupg.org/ ): GnuPG is a RFC2440 (OpenPGP) compliant application. Decrypts and verifies PGP 5.x messages. Supports ElGamal (signature and encryption), DSA, 3DES, Blowfish, Twofish, CAST5, MD5, SHA-1, RIPE-MD-160 and TIGER. Hope that helps a bit. Outside of Debian I don't know where you find the idea or rsa modules, but the main sitewould be a good place to start. (These modules are in the non-free sections of debian non-US) -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From seth_bernsen at udlp.com Tue Sep 12 09:05:15 2000 From: seth_bernsen at udlp.com (Seth I. Bernsen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21214] IP Masquerading with 2.4.0-test-8 References: <3512654724@udlp.com> Message-ID: <39BE381B.4B458F70@udlp.com> Dave Erickson wrote: > > Anybody got this working yet? > > I have it compiled in but the userspace tools aren't there. I thought it > was backwards compatible with ipchains??? > > Thanks. I'm going through the same thing (I think). What I've found so far is that iptables (the 2.3.X and beyond replacement for ipchains) is not backwards compatible (although it does seem better). Unfortunately, I have not figured it out yet, but checkout http://www.kernel.org/LDP/HOWTO/Adv-Routing-HOWTO-10.html -- Seth Bernsen --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From bob at math.umn.edu Tue Sep 12 09:39:43 2000 From: bob at math.umn.edu (bob@math.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21152] electronic lecture notes In-Reply-To: from Philip C Mendelsohn at "Sep 11, 2000 05:08:44 pm" Message-ID: <20000912143943.25334.qmail@khusro.math.umn.edu> Philip C Mendelsohn allegedly wrote: > On Mon, 11 Sep 2000 bob@math.umn.edu wrote: > > > ... and the bad thing about LaTeX is that, well, it's TeX. ;^l > > What's your beef with TeX? Or are you simply an "unstructured > thinker?" ;) > > Phil M More that TeX is an unstructured standard. On a frequent basis I deal with people who receive Tex files they are unable to process. Often this is because of different versions, missing sty files, and so forth. If everyone used the _same_ TeX, then it might be as useful as HTML. :^o My reaction is, however, mostly emotional. Too many unsolvable problems seen to have my reaction be anything but negative. Not, of course, that I have a good alternative in mind. After all, my American prerogative is to whine. :^) Adios, Chris -- C.S. Cornuelle School of Mathematics/MCIM, University of Minnesota 206 Church St. SE, Minneapolis, MN 55455 (612) 626-8930v, (612) 624-2333f, bob at math.umn.edu Ferventer Vestite --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From natecars at real-time.com Tue Sep 12 09:54:30 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21214] IP Masquerading with 2.4.0-test-8 In-Reply-To: <39BE381B.4B458F70@udlp.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Sep 2000, Seth I. Bernsen wrote: > I'm going through the same thing (I think). What I've found so far is > that iptables (the 2.3.X and beyond replacement for ipchains) is not > backwards compatible (although it does seem better). Unfortunately, I > have not figured it out yet, but checkout > http://www.kernel.org/LDP/HOWTO/Adv-Routing-HOWTO-10.html ..or 'modprobe ipchains' and use ipchains as usual. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mjn at umn.edu Tue Sep 12 11:25:48 2000 From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21224] Gopher Linux... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I just sat in on a little talk about the UofM distro of linux: Gopher Linux. It is little more than a thinly veiled version of RedHat but still quite cool that they are doing it. Traditionally dangerous or possibly dangerous services have been disabled by default (http, ftp, telnet, finger, sendmail, etc). OpenSSH is included. From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Tue Sep 12 11:31:25 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (Gabe Turner (officer)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21224] Gopher Linux... In-Reply-To: ; from mjn@umn.edu on Tue, Sep 12, 2000 at 11:25:48AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20000912113125.C5740@sorry.cs.umn.edu> ROFLMAO!!!!! "gophux.rpm" Now if that isn't the greatest name for an rpm. Just thinking about pronouncing it makes me laugh (but maybe I'm just that immature :). Gabe On Tue, Sep 12, 2000 at 11:25:48AM -0500, mjn wrote: > I just sat in on a little talk about the UofM distro of linux: Gopher > Linux. > > It is little more than a thinly veiled version of RedHat but still quite > cool that they are doing it. Traditionally dangerous or possibly > dangerous services have been disabled by default (http, ftp, telnet, > finger, sendmail, etc). OpenSSH is included. > > >From what I gathered it is the Redhat installer with an gophux.rpm running > at the end which disables/reconfigures services. All of the changes to > the distro are noted in the docs on the ISO. Kinda cool. > > download: > > ftp://ftp.software.umn.edu/pub/linux/gopher-linux/ > > ____________________________ > Mike Neuharth > ADCS Technology Specialist > http://www.umn.edu/adcs > > E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu > Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com > http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ > ____________________________ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "YOU _GAVE_AWAY_ $47 MILLION DOLLARS?? You fat, bloated eediot!" - Ren Hoek in "Stimpy's Big Day" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mjn at umn.edu Tue Sep 12 11:33:40 2000 From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21224] Gopher Linux... In-Reply-To: <20000912113125.C5740@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Sep 2000, Gabe Turner (officer) wrote: > ROFLMAO!!!!! > > "gophux.rpm" > > Now if that isn't the greatest name for an rpm. Just thinking about > pronouncing it makes me laugh (but maybe I'm just that immature :). > > Gabe You're not immature, I am giggling too... :) ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ ____________________________ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From esper at sherohman.org Tue Sep 12 14:15:22 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21227] Newbie perl question Message-ID: I've got a list of email addresses, @addrlist, and an address, $addr, which may or may not be in @addrlist and, if it is there, should be removed. What's the easiest way to locate and remove $addr from @addrlist? -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Tue Sep 12 14:18:33 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21227] Newbie perl question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: for ($i=0;$i I've got a list of email addresses, @addrlist, and an address, $addr, which > may or may not be in @addrlist and, if it is there, should be removed. > > What's the easiest way to locate and remove $addr from @addrlist? > > -- > "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist > "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton > Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ > !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Tue Sep 12 14:20:03 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (Gabe Turner (officer)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21227] Newbie perl question In-Reply-To: ; from esper@sherohman.org on Tue, Sep 12, 2000 at 02:15:22PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20000912142003.B325@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Try this (don't know if it's the best way, but it's the first thing that came to me): foreach my $address (@addrlist) { if ( $addr eq $address ) { $address = ""; } } Though, this may leave you with "blank spaces" in your array, but I think perl may fix it for you. Gabe On Tue, Sep 12, 2000 at 02:15:22PM -0500, Dave Sherohman wrote: > I've got a list of email addresses, @addrlist, and an address, $addr, which > may or may not be in @addrlist and, if it is there, should be removed. > > What's the easiest way to locate and remove $addr from @addrlist? > > -- > "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist > "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton > Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ > !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Look! It's my magic nose goblins!" -- Stimpy "I finally get a good look at 'em!" -- Sven - Stimpson J. Cat and Sven Hoek in "Sven Hoek" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Tue Sep 12 14:21:36 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (Gabe Turner (officer)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21227] Newbie perl question In-Reply-To: ; from adamm@sihope.com on Tue, Sep 12, 2000 at 02:18:33PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20000912142136.C325@sorry.cs.umn.edu> This would work, but then he'd have an array with a bunch of NULLs in it. So, if he's got a majordomo mailing list, say, it'd try to send messages to an email address called NULL. Gabe On Tue, Sep 12, 2000 at 02:18:33PM -0500, Adam Maloney wrote: > for ($i=0;$i if ($addrlist[$i] eq $addr) { > $addrlist[$i] = "NULL"; > } > } > > then when you print/use the addrlist array, just do a check to see if the > value is null. > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > On Tue, 12 Sep 2000, Dave Sherohman wrote: > > > I've got a list of email addresses, @addrlist, and an address, $addr, which > > may or may not be in @addrlist and, if it is there, should be removed. > > > > What's the easiest way to locate and remove $addr from @addrlist? > > > > -- > > "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist > > "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton > > Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ > > !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Look! It's my magic nose goblins!" -- Stimpy "I finally get a good look at 'em!" -- Sven - Stimpson J. Cat and Sven Hoek in "Sven Hoek" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Tue Sep 12 14:27:11 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21227] Newbie perl question In-Reply-To: <20000912142136.C325@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: Read the last sentence in my message. Of course, if you're reading the array in from a file or something it might make more sense to just set it to the null string, "" so that when you loop over the array to use it your check to see if the values are null is two-fold, it takes care of the case where you removed the e-mail address and the case where there wasn't one to begin with. Like you said, we're not sure if Perl fixes the array when there's an empty value or not. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Tue, 12 Sep 2000, Gabe Turner (officer) wrote: > This would work, but then he'd have an array with a bunch of NULLs in it. > So, if he's got a majordomo mailing list, say, it'd try to send messages to > an email address called NULL. > > Gabe > > On Tue, Sep 12, 2000 at 02:18:33PM -0500, Adam Maloney wrote: > > for ($i=0;$i > if ($addrlist[$i] eq $addr) { > > $addrlist[$i] = "NULL"; > > } > > } > > > > then when you print/use the addrlist array, just do a check to see if the > > value is null. > > > > Adam Maloney > > Systems Administrator > > Sihope Communications > > > > On Tue, 12 Sep 2000, Dave Sherohman wrote: > > > > > I've got a list of email addresses, @addrlist, and an address, $addr, which > > > may or may not be in @addrlist and, if it is there, should be removed. > > > > > > What's the easiest way to locate and remove $addr from @addrlist? > > > > > > -- > > > "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist > > > "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton > > > Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ > > > !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Gabe Turner | X-President, > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > "Look! It's my magic nose goblins!" -- Stimpy > "I finally get a good look at 'em!" -- Sven > - Stimpson J. Cat and Sven Hoek in "Sven Hoek" > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Tue Sep 12 14:13:28 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21227] Newbie perl question Message-ID: <0G0S00L99GRNDX@mail1.supervalu.com> for (my $i = 0; $i <= $#addrlist; $i++) { if ($addrlist[$i] eq $addr) { splice (@addrlist, $i, 1); } } FYI, coding questions should go to TCLUG-Devel. Nick esper@sherohman.org, on 09/12/2000 02:15:22 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF cc: Subject: [TCLUG:21227] Newbie perl question I've got a list of email addresses, @addrlist, and an address, $addr, which may or may not be in @addrlist and, if it is there, should be removed. What's the easiest way to locate and remove $addr from @addrlist? -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Tue Sep 12 14:14:38 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21227] Newbie perl question Message-ID: <0G0S00LA3GT6DX@mail1.supervalu.com> Oh, my last example actually removes the element from the list, so you don't need to check for empty array items later on. ;) Nick Reinking -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cbidler at talkware.net Tue Sep 12 14:30:25 2000 From: cbidler at talkware.net (Helper Monkey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21227] Newbie perl question References: <20000912142136.C325@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <39BE8451.73962CC2@talkware.net> "Gabe Turner (officer)" wrote: > > This would work, but then he'd have an array with a bunch of NULLs in it. > So, if he's got a majordomo mailing list, say, it'd try to send messages to > an email address called NULL. > > Gabe How about this: my @tmp; foreach @addrs { if($_ ne $addr){ push @tmp, ($_); } } @addrs = @tmp; This does create an 'extra' array, but the overhead is small to get an array with no NULLs, IMHO. :) -- <----------------------------------------------------------------------> Chris H. Bidler cbidler@talkware.net Associate Engineer, Applications Group Universal Talkware Corp. "In any event, is a O^(log N) search that returns the wrong answer really better than an O^N search that returns the right answer?" <----------------------------------------------------------------------> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cbidler at talkware.net Tue Sep 12 14:32:12 2000 From: cbidler at talkware.net (Helper Monkey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21227] Newbie perl question References: <0G0S00L99GRNDX@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: <39BE84BC.E4D110CF@talkware.net> Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > FYI, coding questions should go to TCLUG-Devel. > > Nick There's a TCLUG-Devel list!? Does one just send a 'subscribe' to tclug-devel@mn-linux.org? -- <----------------------------------------------------------------------> Chris H. Bidler cbidler@talkware.net Associate Engineer, Applications Group Universal Talkware Corp. "In any event, is a O^(log N) search that returns the wrong answer really better than an O^N search that returns the right answer?" <----------------------------------------------------------------------> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From esper at sherohman.org Tue Sep 12 14:43:26 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21227] Newbie perl question In-Reply-To: <20000912142136.C325@sorry.cs.umn.edu> from "Gabe Turner (officer)" at "Sep 12, 2000 02:21:36 pm" Message-ID: Gabe Turner (officer) said: > This would work, but then he'd have an array with a bunch of NULLs in it. > So, if he's got a majordomo mailing list, say, it'd try to send messages to > an email address called NULL. Worse than that, I'm maintaining procmail recipe files... (My first substantial perl coding effort and I'm damn glad I didn't try to do it in C!) -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mandar_v at yahoo.com Tue Sep 12 14:45:41 2000 From: mandar_v at yahoo.com (Mandar Vaze) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21237] Can preinstall script for RPM be interactive ? Message-ID: <20000912194541.22695.qmail@web214.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I need to create an RPM package. I need to ask some information to user to set the owner/group/permission of the files correctly after I copy the files. I was told that pre/postinstall scripts can not be interactive. Can anyone confirm/deny this ? Is there any way to make the pre/postinstall scripts interactive ? Thanks, -Mandar __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Tue Sep 12 14:50:50 2000 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21227] Newbie perl question In-Reply-To: <0G0S00L99GRNDX@mail1.supervalu.com>; from Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com on Tue, Sep 12, 2000 at 02:13:28PM -0500 References: <0G0S00L99GRNDX@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: <20000912145050.A3206@baker.space.umn.edu> On Tue, Sep 12, 2000 at 02:13:28PM -0500, Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > for (my $i = 0; $i <= $#addrlist; $i++) > { > if ($addrlist[$i] eq $addr) { splice (@addrlist, $i, 1); } > } Doesn't this break the array subscripts though. You had an array of 4 items (0=a 1=b 2=c 3=d), and you pull out the first one (index 0). Now you have (0=b 1=c 3=d). You for statement happily goes on to check the next index 1, but it has skipped over checking b because the indices change. Anyway, I could have sworn I had that problem, so I would run the loop in reverse. for (my $i = $#addrlist; $i >=0; $i--) { if ($addrlist[$i] eq $addr) { splice (@addrlist, $i, 1); } } This way you don't run into problems with indices changing underneath you. -- Jim Crumley | crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Tue Sep 12 14:37:29 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21227] Newbie perl question Message-ID: <0G0S00M1BHUS1N@mail1.supervalu.com> My example doesn't create an additional array, either. ;P You can sign up for tclug-devel at www.mn-linux.org. Nick Reinking cbidler@talkware.net, on 09/12/2000 02:30:25 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF cc: Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21227] Newbie perl question "Gabe Turner (officer)" wrote: > > This would work, but then he'd have an array with a bunch of NULLs in it. > So, if he's got a majordomo mailing list, say, it'd try to send messages to > an email address called NULL. > > Gabe How about this: my @tmp; foreach @addrs { if($_ ne $addr){ push @tmp, ($_); } } @addrs = @tmp; This does create an 'extra' array, but the overhead is small to get an array with no NULLs, IMHO. :) -- <----------------------------------------------------------------------> Chris H. Bidler cbidler@talkware.net Associate Engineer, Applications Group Universal Talkware Corp. "In any event, is a O^(log N) search that returns the wrong answer really better than an O^N search that returns the right answer?" <----------------------------------------------------------------------> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From esper at sherohman.org Tue Sep 12 14:52:51 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21227] Newbie perl question In-Reply-To: <20000912145050.A3206@baker.space.umn.edu> from Jim Crumley at "Sep 12, 2000 02:50:50 pm" Message-ID: Jim Crumley said: > On Tue, Sep 12, 2000 at 02:13:28PM -0500, Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > > for (my $i = 0; $i <= $#addrlist; $i++) > > { > > if ($addrlist[$i] eq $addr) { splice (@addrlist, $i, 1); } > > } > > Doesn't this break the array subscripts though. You had an array > of 4 items (0=a 1=b 2=c 3=d), and you pull out the first one (index 0). > Now you have (0=b 1=c 3=d). You for statement happily goes on to check > the next index 1, but it has skipped over checking b because the > indices change. In the more general case, absolutely. In my situation, though, an address will never appear in a list more than once. (Unless users go and edit the list on disk manually...) > Anyway, I could have sworn I had that problem, so I would run the > loop in reverse. Good idea. You never can trust users to behave the way you intend. -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From trammell at nitz.hep.umn.edu Tue Sep 12 07:25:27 2000 From: trammell at nitz.hep.umn.edu (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21227] Newbie perl question Message-ID: <200009121225.HAA11297@nitz.hep.umn.edu> How about: my @new = grep { $_ ne $addr } @old; J --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dutchman at uswest.net Tue Sep 12 14:52:52 2000 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21242] Redirect X display Message-ID: <39BE8994.FE7546FE@mn.uswest.net> Greet the sun all, I have a favor to ask. Some time ago, I asked how to redirect the display of a Sun box to my Linux box. I forget who posted to the answer. I have spent the last half-hour trying to come up with the right search solution within the archives but I cannot find it because I lost my printout :( I remember having to get the magic number from the Sun box and give permission to Linux to display based on that number. Could someone please post the solution again, pleeeeeaaaase? -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services dutchman@mn.uswest.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From esper at sherohman.org Tue Sep 12 14:56:13 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21227] Newbie perl question In-Reply-To: <0G0S00M1BHUS1N@mail1.supervalu.com> from "Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com" at "Sep 12, 2000 02:37:29 pm" Message-ID: Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com said: > You can sign up for tclug-devel at www.mn-linux.org. Where? The top page and the list archives page both claim that there are only this list, announce, and jobs. -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Tue Sep 12 14:58:10 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (Gabe Turner (officer)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21242] Redirect X display In-Reply-To: <39BE8994.FE7546FE@mn.uswest.net>; from dutchman@uswest.net on Tue, Sep 12, 2000 at 02:52:52PM -0500 References: <39BE8994.FE7546FE@mn.uswest.net> Message-ID: <20000912145810.A589@sorry.cs.umn.edu> On Sun box: if shell *csh: setenv DISPLAY linux-box:0.0 if shell Bourne-based: export DISPLAY=linux-box:0.0 On Linux box: xhost +sun-box HTH, Gabe On Tue, Sep 12, 2000 at 02:52:52PM -0500, Perry Hoekstra wrote: > Greet the sun all, > > I have a favor to ask. Some time ago, I asked how to redirect the > display of a Sun box to my Linux box. I forget who posted to the > answer. I have spent the last half-hour trying to come up with the right > search solution within the archives but I cannot find it because I lost > my printout :( > > I remember having to get the magic number from the Sun box and give > permission to Linux to display based on that number. Could someone > please post the solution again, pleeeeeaaaase? > > -- > Perry Hoekstra > E-Commerce Architect > Talent Software Services > dutchman@mn.uswest.net > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Mr. Science Officer, please commence relaxation period!" - Commander Hoek (Ren) in "Space Madness" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Tue Sep 12 14:45:36 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21227] Newbie perl question Message-ID: <0G0S00M63I7H1N@mail1.supervalu.com> Haha, silly me, I think you're right. :) Silly off-by-1 error, but the concept is still the same. I think that is the most efficient way to do it. (TMEWTDI?) Nick Reinking crumley@belka.space.umn.edu, on 09/12/2000 02:50:50 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF cc: Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21227] Newbie perl question On Tue, Sep 12, 2000 at 02:13:28PM -0500, Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > for (my $i = 0; $i <= $#addrlist; $i++) > { > if ($addrlist[$i] eq $addr) { splice (@addrlist, $i, 1); } > } Doesn't this break the array subscripts though. You had an array of 4 items (0=a 1=b 2=c 3=d), and you pull out the first one (index 0). Now you have (0=b 1=c 3=d). You for statement happily goes on to check the next index 1, but it has skipped over checking b because the indices change. Anyway, I could have sworn I had that problem, so I would run the loop in reverse. for (my $i = $#addrlist; $i >=0; $i--) { if ($addrlist[$i] eq $addr) { splice (@addrlist, $i, 1); } } This way you don't run into problems with indices changing underneath you. -- Jim Crumley | crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Tue Sep 12 14:47:48 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21227] Newbie perl question Message-ID: <0G0S00M8NICR1N@mail1.supervalu.com> That's as efficient as the loop-splice example, but it uses more memory as it duplicates the array. Not a big deal, but it could be if you had 100k addresses or something. :) Nick Reinking trammell@nitz.hep.umn.edu, on 09/12/2000 07:25:27 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF cc: Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21227] Newbie perl question How about: my @new = grep { $_ ne $addr } @old; J --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From trammell at nitz.hep.umn.edu Tue Sep 12 07:37:45 2000 From: trammell at nitz.hep.umn.edu (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21227] Newbie perl question Message-ID: <200009121237.HAA11357@nitz.hep.umn.edu> Nick Reinking wrote: > That's as efficient as the loop-splice example, but it > uses more memory as it duplicates the array. > > Not a big deal, but it could be if you had 100k addresses > or something. :) You're right. It should have read: @old = grep { $_ ne $addr } @old; --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Tue Sep 12 14:56:27 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21248] tclug-devel Message-ID: <0G0S00MD4IQ41N@mail1.supervalu.com> Well I'll be damned. I swear it used to be there (I'm on the list). Try sending a message to tclug-devel-subscribe@mn-linux.org and see what comes back. ^_^;; Nick Reinking -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From esper at sherohman.org Tue Sep 12 15:21:48 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21248] tclug-devel In-Reply-To: <0G0S00MD4IQ41N@mail1.supervalu.com> from "Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com" at "Sep 12, 2000 02:56:27 pm" Message-ID: Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com said: > Try sending a message to tclug-devel-subscribe@mn-linux.org > and see what comes back. ^_^;; Yep, that worked. -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Tue Sep 12 15:23:04 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21242] Redirect X display References: <39BE8994.FE7546FE@mn.uswest.net> <20000912145810.A589@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <39BE90A8.20CCB39D@ltiflex.com> > On Sun box: > > if shell *csh: setenv DISPLAY linux-box:0.0 > if shell Bourne-based: export DISPLAY=linux-box:0.0 > > On Linux box: > > xhost +sun-box Oh sure, if you want to do it the insecure way. If the sun box has ssh: From esper at sherohman.org Tue Sep 12 15:25:22 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21227] Newbie perl question In-Reply-To: <200009121237.HAA11357@nitz.hep.umn.edu> from "John J. Trammell" at "Sep 12, 2000 07:37:45 am" Message-ID: John J. Trammell said: > @old = grep { $_ ne $addr } @old; Cool! And, since that's a 1-liner, I don't even have to put it in a sub. (What's better for readability, though...) -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From john1536 at tc.umn.edu Tue Sep 12 14:57:47 2000 From: john1536 at tc.umn.edu (Troy A. Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21227] Newbie perl question References: Message-ID: <39BE8ABB.2534A13F@tc.umn.edu> Could you do this: @addrlist = grep(!/$addr/, @addrlist); Dave Sherohman wrote: > > I've got a list of email addresses, @addrlist, and an address, $addr, which > may or may not be in @addrlist and, if it is there, should be removed. > > What's the easiest way to locate and remove $addr from @addrlist? > > -- > "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist > "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton > Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ > !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Troy Johnson mailto:john1536@tc.umn.edu http://umn.edu/~john1536/ I saw a subliminal advertising executive, but only for a second. -- Stephen Wright --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Tue Sep 12 15:03:35 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21152] electronic lecture notes In-Reply-To: <20000912143943.25334.qmail@khusro.math.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Sep 2000 bob@math.umn.edu > More that TeX is an unstructured standard. Understandable, but that must really translate to: TeX is an unstructured standard that gives me headaches. Linux/Unix is an unstructured standard that gives me joy. > On a frequent basis I deal > with people who receive Tex files they are unable to process. Often > this is because of different versions, missing sty files, and so forth. Well, sure. This would color my opinion too. > If everyone used the _same_ TeX, then it might be as useful as HTML. :^o Or as perverted... ;) > My reaction is, however, mostly emotional. Too many unsolvable problems > seen to have my reaction be anything but negative. And I have never had an *unsolvable* problem. That's not to say I've never had annoying ones, or that I'm a whiz -- I may be doing a simple set of things. But the day I got LaTeX running on my laptop was beautiful -- Now I can typeset anything anywhere! > Not, of course, that I have a good alternative in mind. After all, my > American prerogative is to whine. :^) You bet. And in your case, I'll even listen! Cheers, Phil M -- Lottery: a tax on people who are bad at math --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From esper at sherohman.org Tue Sep 12 15:40:09 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21227] Newbie perl question In-Reply-To: <39BE8ABB.2534A13F@tc.umn.edu> from "Troy A. Johnson" at "Sep 12, 2000 02:57:47 pm" Message-ID: Troy A. Johnson said: > Could you do this: > > @addrlist = grep(!/$addr/, @addrlist); John Trammell suggested @addrlist = grep { $_ ne $addr } @addrlist; which, if I understand correctly, is roughly equivalent, but the { ne } version will match the full text only, while the /$addr/ version will match substrings also. (And we don't want bad input of "@" to remove all email addresses!) @addrlist = grep !/^$addr$/, @addrlist; seems to work, though. -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From john1536 at tc.umn.edu Tue Sep 12 15:48:04 2000 From: john1536 at tc.umn.edu (Troy A. Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21227] Newbie perl question References: Message-ID: <39BE9684.5A142BE0@tc.umn.edu> Sorry, I would not have suggested it seeing John's suggestion, but I did not see it in time as my email seems to be on the slow boat today (to and from). :-) Dave Sherohman wrote: > > Troy A. Johnson said: > > Could you do this: > > > > @addrlist = grep(!/$addr/, @addrlist); > > John Trammell suggested > > @addrlist = grep { $_ ne $addr } @addrlist; > > which, if I understand correctly, is roughly equivalent, but the { ne } > version will match the full text only, while the /$addr/ version will match > substrings also. (And we don't want bad input of "@" to remove all email > addresses!) > > @addrlist = grep !/^$addr$/, @addrlist; > > seems to work, though. > > -- > "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist > "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton > Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ > !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Troy Johnson mailto:john1536@tc.umn.edu http://umn.edu/~john1536/ To stay young requires the unceasing cultivation of the ability to unlearn old falsehoods. -- Lazarus Long --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From barnabas at knicknack.net Tue Sep 12 16:09:53 2000 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (barnabas@knicknack.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21227] Newbie perl question In-Reply-To: ; from esper@sherohman.org on Tue, Sep 12, 2000 at 03:25:22PM -0500 References: <200009121237.HAA11357@nitz.hep.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20000912160953.A16998@knicknack.net> Maybe I've missed something, but if you don't care about the ordering of the addresses, just read them into a hash and then to delete it, just say: delete $list{ $address} if defined( $list{ $address}); Eric On Tue, Sep 12, 2000 at 03:25:22PM -0500, Dave Sherohman wrote: > John J. Trammell said: > > @old = grep { $_ ne $addr } @old; > > Cool! And, since that's a 1-liner, I don't even have to put it in a sub. > (What's better for readability, though...) > > -- > "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist > "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton > Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ > !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mkroska at readynetgo.com Tue Sep 12 20:58:42 2000 From: mkroska at readynetgo.com (Mark K) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21257] Something that came to my mailbox In-Reply-To: <933892340.21911.ezmlm@mn-linux.org> Message-ID: For those interested.... Dear Information Technology Professional, Would you be interested in participating in a short survey on the use of Linux as an operating environment? The survey will take no more than 5 minutes of your time. 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Kroska MIS Director 320.656.0765 Voice 888.447.3239 Toll Free 320.203.7052 Fax http://www.readynetgo.com mailto:mkroska@readynetgo.com ________________________________________________________ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Tue Sep 12 21:24:10 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21258] kernel 2.4.0-test8 and DocBook Message-ID: <20000912212410.Z1242@real-time.com> Anyone been able to get the DocBook stuff to compile under 2.4.0-test8? I am really interested in what this will generate. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From wilson at visi.com Tue Sep 12 21:27:50 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21258] kernel 2.4.0-test8 and DocBook In-Reply-To: <20000912212410.Z1242@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Sep 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > Anyone been able to get the DocBook stuff to compile under 2.4.0-test8? To which "stuff" are you referring? -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at usinternet.com Tue Sep 12 22:22:52 2000 From: blutgens at usinternet.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21237] Can preinstall script for RPM be interactive ? In-Reply-To: <20000912194541.22695.qmail@web214.mail.yahoo.com>; from mandar_v@yahoo.com on Tue, Sep 12, 2000 at 12:45:41PM -0700 References: <20000912194541.22695.qmail@web214.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20000912222252.A17107@ares.usinternet.com> On Tue, Sep 12, 2000 at 12:45:41PM -0700, Mandar Vaze wrote: >Hi, >I was told that pre/postinstall scripts can not be >interactive. Can anyone confirm/deny this ? > Make a deb. You can do anything you want to with those scripts, they are just shell scripts written by the packager and are only limited by the shell environ. I think I have seem interactive rpms. Not sure sure where to find docs, maybe redhat.com? debian.org has all the documentation you'd need for making packages. -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Wed Sep 13 03:09:33 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21237] Can preinstall script for RPM be interactive ? References: <20000912194541.22695.qmail@web214.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <39BF363D.789949C1@tcfreenet.org> Mandar Vaze wrote: > > Hi, > > I need to create an RPM package. I need to ask some > information to user to set the owner/group/permission > of the files correctly after I copy the files. > > I was told that pre/postinstall scripts can not be > interactive. Can anyone confirm/deny this ? > > Is there any way to make the pre/postinstall scripts > interactive ? They probably shouldn't be, but some commercial stuff does. ViaVoice makes you read a license agreement. RealPlayer starts itself and makes you register it. As root. Blah. Don't do it. ;) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Wed Sep 13 03:21:24 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21262] Beware of scroll lock. Message-ID: <39BF3904.62FBB91F@tcfreenet.org> Blah, second time I've done this. Dropped the keyboard, which by some stroke of chance managed to put scroll lock on on the vconsole with syslog spewing things. Buffer fills, syslog hangs, anything trying to use syslog hangs. Chaos ensues. If you're like me and have a "*.* /dev/tty12" in your syslog.conf, and suddenly find youself unable to log in, check the scroll lock on that vconsole... (If you don't have physical access to the console at the time you're screwed. ;) Check scroll lock after you've knocked the keyboard off the desk for the Nth time. Or use some kind of tail on a log file rather than directly dumping to a console. Though this strikes me as a rather serious bug. Something as vital as syslog shouldn't hang if it can't write somewhere, should it? ;P --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jh at sgi.com Wed Sep 13 09:32:34 2000 From: jh at sgi.com (jh@sgi.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21263] free linux distro CDs Message-ID: <200009131432.JAA24874@tux.americas.sgi.com> I just found this, sorry if it's been mentioned here before: http://www.pogolinux.com/systems/accessories/linux/linuxcd.html They're apparently sending out free linux distro CDs via USPS. Right now they have RH 6.2, RH 7.0 Beta, and Mandrake 7.1, but say they'll have more soon...and the image on their main page includes Debian... -- John Hesterberg email: jh@sgi.com Technical Project Leader phone: 651-683-5879 HPC Linux SGI --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Wed Sep 13 09:58:45 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21262] Beware of scroll lock. In-Reply-To: <39BF3904.62FBB91F@tcfreenet.org>; from lerwick@tcfreenet.org on Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 03:21:24AM -0500 References: <39BF3904.62FBB91F@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <20000913095845.N10454@real-time.com> > scroll lock on on the vconsole with syslog spewing things. Buffer fills, > syslog hangs, anything trying to use syslog hangs. Chaos ensues. > Or use some kind of tail on a log file rather than directly dumping to a > console. Though this strikes me as a rather serious bug. Something as > vital as syslog shouldn't hang if it can't write somewhere, should it? > ;P something like this was brought up on the Linux for S/390 mailing list some time ago; the tradeoff between thorough logging (esp. kernel logging), and managing the amount of data logged so you don't DoS yourself via syslog and klog. the upshot was... there is no good answer. especially for kernel logging, where things *have* to be done quickly, or else it can be a nontrivial use of system resources. the mainframe people are used to logging *everything*, down to microcode problems (I belive S/390s have a special hardware coprocessor just for hardware fault logging; so even if everything bricks up, there's still a log of exactly what happened). however, especially in a large scale debugging environment (and let's face it, mainframes are built for _Large Scale_), the number of log messages (both kernel messages and userspace messages) can become difficult to manage, and even generate problems like Callum experienced. feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.. I'm still a bit shaky on how this all works. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Wed Sep 13 10:06:24 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21237] Can preinstall script for RPM be interactive ? In-Reply-To: <20000912222252.A17107@ares.usinternet.com>; from blutgens@usinternet.com on Tue, Sep 12, 2000 at 10:22:52PM -0500 References: <20000912194541.22695.qmail@web214.mail.yahoo.com> <20000912222252.A17107@ares.usinternet.com> Message-ID: <20000913100624.O10454@real-time.com> > I think I have seem interactive rpms. Not sure sure where to find > docs, maybe redhat.com? try rpm.org I never saw anything explicitly saying that you couldn't make pre/post-install scripts interactive; but I never had much luck when trying to do it. ;> Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dusk at ravendusk.org Wed Sep 13 10:14:27 2000 From: dusk at ravendusk.org (John R. Sheets) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21258] kernel 2.4.0-test8 and DocBook In-Reply-To: <20000912212410.Z1242@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Tue, Sep 12, 2000 at 09:24:10PM -0500 References: <20000912212410.Z1242@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20000913101427.A14917@ravendusk.org> On Tuesday, September 12, 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > > Anyone been able to get the DocBook stuff to compile under 2.4.0-test8? > > I am really interested in what this will generate. What sort of errors did you get? (Not that I've tried it yet.) John -- dusk@ravendusk.org http://www.gnome.org jsheets@codeweavers.com http://www.worldforge.org http://advogato.org/person/jsheets --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From coyn0023 at tc.umn.edu Wed Sep 13 10:22:27 2000 From: coyn0023 at tc.umn.edu (Justin M Coyne) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21224] Gopher Linux... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Actually those of us, here at ADCS who came up with the name did so intentionally, unfortunatly the boss said that all of our marketing stuff has to be more "appropriate" > On Tue, 12 Sep 2000, Gabe Turner (officer) wrote: > > > ROFLMAO!!!!! > > > > "gophux.rpm" > > > > Now if that isn't the greatest name for an rpm. Just thinking about > > pronouncing it makes me laugh (but maybe I'm just that immature :). > > > > Gabe > > You're not immature, I am giggling too... :) > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lxy at antares.cloudnet.com Wed Sep 13 10:41:48 2000 From: lxy at antares.cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21268] free linux CDs Message-ID: <200009131541.KAA24148@antares.cloudnet.com> What did they do to their site? Last week I was able to order 4 CDs per week per address, and Debian was on the list. They didn't have a version number though, maybe they're unsure whether to ship stable or potato. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com Wed Sep 13 10:40:28 2000 From: RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21269] Beginning - Language Perl or Python? Message-ID: <8794B3B640FED2118D8600C00D0020A593ECDA@IPSERVER2> Hello all, I am starting to teach myself to program using a scripting language. I've heard that both Perl and Python are powerful and fairly easy to use. Are there any inherent advantages to one or the other for the beginning programmer? By beginning I mean no other programming experience other that a little basic a long time ago. (That should probably be a long long time ago, as in the beginning of Star Wars). I am interested in eventually learning one or both and would like to hear of any personal experience with either on, or where you think it shines or doesn't. Thanks |Ryan Ware | |Interplastic Corporation | |651-766-3820 | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From esper at sherohman.org Wed Sep 13 11:08:21 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21270] Remote account creation Message-ID: Here's one for all the sysadmins out there (whether for home or office systems): My boss has now decided that 'managing procmail filters' (which is what those lists of email addresses I asked about yesterday are for) includes creating the email account that the procmail filters belong to. Given the overall system this is a part of, it does make some degree of sense to have this capability, but I am concerned about the security implications of allowing someone to create accounts over an ftp-style connection. And this is part of a product intended for sale. Which is where the sysadmins on the list come in: What would have to be done (and I'm willing to provide more details about what's in place and the overall system) to convince you that this 'feature' is secure? I'm currently thinking about the following: - Switch in /etc to disable account creation - Log of all accounts created - Optional immediate email notification of accounts created to arbitrary address - Use of a challenge-response validation to authorize account creation (I'd also appreciate any pointers to relevant books or URLs for this. I know just enough about crypto to know what it is and that, if I tried writing it with only my current knowledge, I would produce a pretty weak implementation.) Primary constraints: - The initial server is implemented in perl - The initial (non-telnet) client will be grafted into an existing body of C code - Creation of alternate servers will be essential and is likely to be done by third parties, so any techniques used will need to remain secure even when the protocol and authentication method are well-documented - Although it hasn't been officially approved, there is a good chance that I'll be able to get the server code GPLed; even if I can't, it's in perl. The Bad Guys will be able to look at the source. -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Wed Sep 13 11:09:12 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21269] Beginning - Language Perl or Python? In-Reply-To: <8794B3B640FED2118D8600C00D0020A593ECDA@IPSERVER2>; from RWare@INTERPLASTIC.com on Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 10:40:28AM -0500 References: <8794B3B640FED2118D8600C00D0020A593ECDA@IPSERVER2> Message-ID: <20000913110912.R10454@real-time.com> > Hello all, I am starting to teach myself to program using a scripting > language. I've heard that both Perl and Python are powerful and fairly easy > to use. > > Are there any inherent advantages to one or the other for the beginning > programmer? By beginning I mean no other programming experience other that > a little basic a long time ago. (That should probably be a long long time > ago, as in the beginning of Star Wars). well, Python is pretty much designed for readability and maintainability; it still has some very powerful concepts, tho. it's not a trivial language like BASIC. :) perl is beautiful in its compactness; the amount of expression one has in a very small space is amazing. (I'm given to understand that APL was the same way, but don't know much else about it.) I personally think Python is a better choice if you just want to learn to write code (I'm intending to do the same thing myself, if I can ever break my Diablo2 habit). Perl may have more applications, tho (at least at the moment). check out the tutorial links at python.org; they're very good. shell scripting isn't a bad thing to learn, either. :) Carl. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From xoi at mn.mediaone.net Wed Sep 13 11:14:40 2000 From: xoi at mn.mediaone.net (Lord Xoi) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21272] Kinda off topic, a need quick cash sale In-Reply-To: <8794B3B640FED2118D8600C00D0020A593ECDA@IPSERVER2> Message-ID: This is of interest to fellow Geeks, and well, that's what we are. heh I need some cash quickly so I am liquidating a few of my prized items. For sale I have. 1 Aeron Chair http://www.sittingmachine.com/ I paid $800 for it, but am willing to accept less... make me an offer. 1 E-one Computer. I have SuSe running on it right now. it's an all-in-one design. I paid $900 for it but am willing to again accept less, make me an offer. I also have a mint condition Transformers Starscream and Grimlock, no box for them, but otherwise perfect, all the pieces, stickers, perfect condition. I paid $150 for Starscream and $80 for Grimlock, but I'll accept less, make an offer. I don't really want to go below half price on any of these, they are all in perfect condition. I keep my things really well. I have only had the chair a few months, I love it though. Thanks for your time. -John Joiner --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From john1536 at tc.umn.edu Wed Sep 13 11:31:51 2000 From: john1536 at tc.umn.edu (Troy A. Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21269] Beginning - Language Perl or Python? References: <8794B3B640FED2118D8600C00D0020A593ECDA@IPSERVER2> Message-ID: <39BFABF7.3970440E@tc.umn.edu> Ryan, I think, no matter which language you choose, that a very important element of learning a new language is to have a good book on the subject. I especially like those books that encourage good programming practice in the context of the language they teach, but sometimes these are hard to find. Does anyone know of books on Perl or Python that fit this mold? I am partial to Perl, but I have nothing against Python except that my experience with it is limited. I have found Perl to be fun, flexible, and powerful. There are many examples of obfuscated Perl code out there, but with good comments, variable names, and an eye toward organization, Perl can look very english-like (but the same could be said of a quite a few languages, and I think Python is one of them). Good luck, Troy Ryan Ware wrote: > > Hello all, I am starting to teach myself to program using a scripting > language. I've heard that both Perl and Python are powerful and fairly easy > to use. > > Are there any inherent advantages to one or the other for the beginning > programmer? By beginning I mean no other programming experience other that > a little basic a long time ago. (That should probably be a long long time > ago, as in the beginning of Star Wars). > > I am interested in eventually learning one or both and would like to hear of > any personal experience with either on, or where you think it shines or > doesn't. > > Thanks > > |Ryan Ware | > |Interplastic Corporation | > |651-766-3820 | > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Troy Johnson mailto:john1536@tc.umn.edu http://umn.edu/~john1536/ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Wed Sep 13 11:55:30 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21269] Beginning - Language Perl or Python? References: <8794B3B640FED2118D8600C00D0020A593ECDA@IPSERVER2> Message-ID: <00d701c01da3$6d0a7310$dd29680a@tgt.com> Perl has broader support. Also, Python is object-oriented. I think this is great!!! However, object-oriented programming is probably not the place to start for a beginning programmer. So, I think the answer is Perl, hands down. Personally, I would learn C, then move to C++ or Java (I did the reverse, I learned C++ first). Depends what your goals are as a programmer. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Ware To: Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 10:40 AM Subject: [TCLUG:21269] Beginning - Language Perl or Python? > Hello all, I am starting to teach myself to program using a scripting > language. I've heard that both Perl and Python are powerful and fairly easy > to use. > > Are there any inherent advantages to one or the other for the beginning > programmer? By beginning I mean no other programming experience other that > a little basic a long time ago. (That should probably be a long long time > ago, as in the beginning of Star Wars). > > I am interested in eventually learning one or both and would like to hear of > any personal experience with either on, or where you think it shines or > doesn't. > > Thanks > > |Ryan Ware | > |Interplastic Corporation | > |651-766-3820 | > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From isla0005 at tc.umn.edu Wed Sep 13 12:03:11 2000 From: isla0005 at tc.umn.edu (isla0005@tc.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:21269] Beginning - Language Perl or Python? Message-ID: <130900257.36191@209.98.84.145> I used to program in GW Basic and Q basic and I like perl more than Python, but that does not mean you will like it better. But like others said, perl is a little more friendly and has ample support on the web. I guess it's a metter of personal preference. You can find introductory codes on the internet which can help you make a choice. Apu --- Original Message --- Ryan Ware Wrote on Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:40:28 -0500 ------------------ Hello all, I am starting to teach myself to program using a scripting language. I've heard that both Perl and Python are powerful and fairly easy to use. Are there any inherent advantages to one or the other for the beginning programmer? By beginning I mean no other programming experience other that a little basic a long time ago. (That should probably be a long long time ago, as in the beginning of Star Wars). I am interested in eventually learning one or both and would like to hear of any personal experience with either on, or where you think it shines or doesn't. Thanks |Ryan Ware | |Interplastic Corporation | |651-766-3820 | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jcook at k-lug.com Wed Sep 13 12:18:59 2000 From: jcook at k-lug.com (Cook, Justin S.) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21269] Beginning - Language Perl or Python? References: <130900257.36191@209.98.84.145> Message-ID: <005901c01da6$b4baede0$270d020a@winona.msus.edu> I have programmed in both worlds, hopefully below will help you a tad. Perl is an obfuscating(sp?) language. The amount of one liners and the "Theres more then one way to do it" motto make programming in it difficult, and oh goodness if you have to actually go back and update/repair things, well lets just say that was one of my least favorite jobs. As they say, Perl is the System Administrators glue, using it only to do odd tasks that need to be done, such as scanning logs, reporting them in proper format and mailing them to an offsite mail account. Python on the other hand, is more understandable and easier on the syntax eyes. Its built to be Object Oriented, which is a KEY concept you must learn and understand as you become a programmer. If I remember at all correctly, its syntax is *similar* to basic, and kinda similar to ASP(active server pages). Now down to my point, if there is one obvious way to do something, use python, otherwise use perl. Note I prefer Perl, but I'm slowly moving on to Python(personally speaking). Please also note that, no matter what I say, you should make the final call for yourself, Python is the ultimate *newbie* language, teaching the most advanced and critical programming skills just by using the language. I learned C first, it wasnt to difficult, I still have yet to do useful things with it, but I still learned all my programming concepts from it. Hope that helps in some way or another, Justin Cook Themes.org Staff mailto:jsc@themes.org http://kde.themes.org ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 12:03 PM Subject: RE: [TCLUG:21269] Beginning - Language Perl or Python? > > I used to program in GW Basic and Q basic and I like perl more > than Python, but that does not mean you will like it better. > But like others said, perl is a little more friendly and has > ample support on the web. > I guess it's a metter of personal preference. You can find introductory > codes on the internet which can help you make a choice. > > Apu > > > > --- Original Message --- > Ryan Ware Wrote on > Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:40:28 -0500 > ------------------ > Hello all, I am starting to teach myself to program using a scripting > language. I've heard that both Perl and Python are powerful > and fairly easy > to use. > > Are there any inherent advantages to one or the other for the > beginning > programmer? By beginning I mean no other programming experience > other that > a little basic a long time ago. (That should probably be a long > long time > ago, as in the beginning of Star Wars). > > I am interested in eventually learning one or both and would > like to hear of > any personal experience with either on, or where you think it > shines or > doesn't. > > Thanks > > |Ryan Ware | > |Interplastic Corporation | > |651-766-3820 | > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > ----- > Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) > The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Wed Sep 13 12:25:14 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21269] Beginning - Language Perl or Python? Message-ID: <0G0U00A2O6ERBA@mail1.supervalu.com> I learned to program in Perl, and it is by far my favorite language - but I don't know if I would recommend it to start out. Sure, there are some fantastic books (Camel book, Learning Perl), but I've found that I'm somewhat spoiled on it, making it very difficult for me to easily program in other languages. Really powerful things you can do in perl (like a hash of hashes) are much harder to do in other languages. I'd recommend learning Java first, so you know a "real" programming language - and then move onto Perl. Nick -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jcook at k-lug.com Wed Sep 13 12:46:19 2000 From: jcook at k-lug.com (Cook, Justin S.) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21269] Beginning - Language Perl or Python? References: <0G0U00A2O6ERBA@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: <001a01c01daa$85fefba0$270d020a@winona.msus.edu> java bad, c/c++/insert any other language here, good. Justin Cook Themes.org Staff mailto:jsc@themes.org http://kde.themes.org ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21269] Beginning - Language Perl or Python? > I learned to program in Perl, and it is by far my favorite > language - but I don't know if I would recommend it to start out. > > Sure, there are some fantastic books (Camel book, Learning Perl), > but I've found that I'm somewhat spoiled on it, making it very > difficult for me to easily program in other languages. Really powerful > things you can do in perl (like a hash of hashes) are much harder to > do in other languages. I'd recommend learning Java first, so you know > a "real" programming language - and then move onto Perl. > > Nick > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Wed Sep 13 12:45:34 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21258] kernel 2.4.0-test8 and DocBook In-Reply-To: <20000913101427.A14917@ravendusk.org>; from dusk@ravendusk.org on Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 10:14:27AM -0500 References: <20000912212410.Z1242@real-time.com> <20000913101427.A14917@ravendusk.org> Message-ID: <20000913124534.C12058@real-time.com> Quoting John R. Sheets (dusk@ravendusk.org): > On Tuesday, September 12, 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > > Anyone been able to get the DocBook stuff to compile under 2.4.0-test8? > > > > I am really interested in what this will generate. > > What sort of errors did you get? (Not that I've tried it yet.) > > John > I have fixed it and submitted a patch. Looks like some drivers moved and the makefile looked from them in the old location. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From natecars at real-time.com Wed Sep 13 12:56:36 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21269] Beginning - Language Perl or Python? In-Reply-To: <001a01c01daa$85fefba0$270d020a@winona.msus.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, Cook, Justin S. wrote: > java bad, c/c++/insert any other language here, good. > ooohh, ms j++! :P -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Wed Sep 13 13:00:04 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21269] Beginning - Language Perl or Python? In-Reply-To: <005901c01da6$b4baede0$270d020a@winona.msus.edu>; from jcook@k-lug.com on Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 12:18:59PM -0500 References: <130900257.36191@209.98.84.145> <005901c01da6$b4baede0$270d020a@winona.msus.edu> Message-ID: <20000913130004.B13557@ringworld.org> * Cook, Justin S. [000913 12:18]: > Perl is an obfuscating(sp?) language. The amount of one liners and the > if there is one obvious way to do something, use python, otherwise use perl. Everything can be used in multiple ways. Computer Science is an Art. Anyhow, calling it an obfuscating language is insulting. Perl can be used well. I've been able to make perfectly fine perl code. Its all about style. I find that languages that keep me from expressing the way I want to hamper my productivity anyhow. If I can code in perl, keep it pretty, and get more done, why should I listen to people like you who think perl somehow posseses programmers to do stupid things and use global vars, not abstract, and other big nasties? Plah-eeze. -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'd recommend learning Java first, so you know > > a "real" programming language - and then move onto Perl. > > > > Nick > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It's outstanding as a teaching language, but has the capability to go way beyond that purpose. We're proposing an intro to comp. programming course at Sibley for next fall and I'll teach Python if we can make it go. Another reason I use Python is because I also develop Web apps using Zope. Zope is written mostly in Python and knowing Python really helps you grok Zope. The syntax is very clean. Many people consider "executable pseudocode." Other ubergeeks like esr have also taken strongly to Python. OTOH, Perl is no doubt cool and I'm sure you wouldn't suffer by learning it. As a starter, however, I'd go with Python. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From trammell at nitz.hep.umn.edu Wed Sep 13 06:33:47 2000 From: trammell at nitz.hep.umn.edu (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21269] Beginning - Language Perl or Python? Message-ID: <200009131133.GAA12743@nitz.hep.umn.edu> On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, Ryan Ware wrote: > I am interested in eventually learning one or both and would like to hear of > any personal experience with either on, or where you think it shines or > doesn't. One thing that might influence your decision is how much support you might get from the local programming community. If you think COBOLScript is the all-singing, all-dancing language of the Universe, fine, but when you're stuck you're stuck. :-) With that said, there's a lot of activity on the Mpls. Perl Mongers group. I can't speak for comparable Java/Python/C/C++ groups because I don't follow them. I'd recommend C for learning, then Java (for resume fluff) and Perl (for real work) once you've unlearned your worst habits. J --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Wed Sep 13 14:16:01 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21269] Beginning - Language Perl or Python? In-Reply-To: <005901c01da6$b4baede0$270d020a@winona.msus.edu>; from jcook@k-lug.com on Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 12:18:59PM -0500 References: <130900257.36191@209.98.84.145> <005901c01da6$b4baede0$270d020a@winona.msus.edu> Message-ID: <20000913141601.W10454@real-time.com> > Python on the other hand, is more > understandable and easier on the syntax eyes. >If I remember at all correctly, its syntax is *similar* to > basic, and kinda similar to ASP(active server pages). the first time I ever heard of Python, the person said it looked like a cross between Modula-2 and C. I still think that's a valid generalization. I learned to program in Modula-2 (not counting Apple BASIC in high school); and I still think it's a very well-designed language. maybe one of the reasons I like Python is just that the syntax (especially for arrays & such) bears some resemblance to things I'm familiar with. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From isla0005 at tc.umn.edu Wed Sep 13 14:17:06 2000 From: isla0005 at tc.umn.edu (isla0005@tc.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: Re: [TCLUG:21269] Beginning - Language Perl or Python? Message-ID: <130900257.44225@209.98.84.145> C is better than c++ ? perl is better than pyhton ? Java is better than smalltalk ? C'mon guys. Is that what computer science teaches us ? We must adher the good things of a programming language not making it a personal obsession. In fact "better" is not the word. A good programmer must know them all and also know when to use what. Should we stop this insanity now . Apu ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Wed Sep 13 14:19:04 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21269] Beginning - Language Perl or Python? In-Reply-To: <20000913130004.B13557@ringworld.org>; from dieman@ringworld.org on Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 01:00:04PM -0500 References: <130900257.36191@209.98.84.145> <005901c01da6$b4baede0$270d020a@winona.msus.edu> <20000913130004.B13557@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20000913141904.X10454@real-time.com> > I find that languages that keep me from expressing the way I want to > hamper my productivity anyhow. If I can code in perl, keep it pretty, > and get more done, why should I listen to people like you who think perl > somehow posseses programmers to do stupid things and use global vars, > not abstract, and other big nasties? other than stylewise, can you give a specific example of how Python hinders how you want to express yourself? I'm honestly curious. I think you have a valid point, I would just like a bit more clarification. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Wed Sep 13 14:25:02 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21269] Beginning - Language Perl or Python? References: <0G0U00A2O6ERBA@mail1.supervalu.com> <001a01c01daa$85fefba0$270d020a@winona.msus.edu> Message-ID: <015101c01db8$5151b0b0$dd29680a@tgt.com> There is nothing wrong with Java. It is probably not an ideal first language though. It is an ideal OO language - very nice for business modelling, especially in a distributed environment. I have played with many languages over the years, starting the CBM/PET BASIC (when I was 12 years old). I have had a healthy interest in programming ever since (self taught actually) and I can honestly say, that if you can master C++, there are few other languages that will give you much trouble. So, my recommended course of action is: If you primarily use UNIX, learn: Perl --> C --> C++ --> anything you feel like learning if you use Windows primarily: Jump right in and learn C++ - work with MFC. Avoid playing with RAD tools like Visual Basic, PowerBuilder or Delphi or the Visual Age products on UNIX or OS/2 until you have become proficient in at least C or C++. If you do, you are likely to learn too many bad habits that you will find impossible to break. True, you might not use C++ professionally (then again - you might - I do), but if you truly learn it, you will become a very marketable asset. Why do I recommend C or C++? Simple. You are forced to learn more abstract concepts than any other language. You have the ability to get very close to the native level of programming (assembly). You learn how do handle pointers (and with C++, references) and manage resources, memory in particular. You learn how to find bugs that simply appear to be "magical" (much like the feeling that a Video game is cheating). Simply put, you learn to "understand" what you are doing instead of simply doing what you have been taught. You learn to think [logically] about a problem and solve it with code. I think that in the end, it all comes down to the way you think. If you have a strong problem solving ability (remember the word problems in secondary school), you will have a much easier time of it. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Cook, Justin S. To: Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21269] Beginning - Language Perl or Python? > java bad, c/c++/insert any other language here, good. > > > Justin Cook > Themes.org Staff > mailto:jsc@themes.org > http://kde.themes.org > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 12:25 PM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21269] Beginning - Language Perl or Python? > > > > I learned to program in Perl, and it is by far my favorite > > language - but I don't know if I would recommend it to start out. > > > > Sure, there are some fantastic books (Camel book, Learning Perl), > > but I've found that I'm somewhat spoiled on it, making it very > > difficult for me to easily program in other languages. Really powerful > > things you can do in perl (like a hash of hashes) are much harder to > > do in other languages. I'd recommend learning Java first, so you know > > a "real" programming language - and then move onto Perl. > > > > Nick > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ---- > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Wed Sep 13 14:26:11 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21269] Beginning - Language Perl or Python? References: Message-ID: <016601c01db8$7a3908c0$dd29680a@tgt.com> Use GNU Mailman as an example of what Python can do :) Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Timothy Wilson To: Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21269] Beginning - Language Perl or Python? > On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, Ryan Ware wrote: > > > I am interested in eventually learning one or both and would like to hear of > > any personal experience with either on, or where you think it shines or > > doesn't. > > Well I don't know Perl, but I have some Python experience and I can > recommend it highly. It's outstanding as a teaching language, but has the > capability to go way beyond that purpose. We're proposing an intro to > comp. programming course at Sibley for next fall and I'll teach Python if we > can make it go. > > Another reason I use Python is because I also develop Web apps using > Zope. Zope is written mostly in Python and knowing Python really helps you > grok Zope. > > The syntax is very clean. Many people consider "executable > pseudocode." Other ubergeeks like esr have also taken strongly to Python. > > OTOH, Perl is no doubt cool and I'm sure you wouldn't suffer by learning > it. As a starter, however, I'd go with Python. > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dutchman at uswest.net Wed Sep 13 14:26:45 2000 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21289] Oracle Client software question Message-ID: <39BFD4F5.193E51F@mn.uswest.net> Greet the sun all, Does anybody run the client tools from Orasoft (www.orasoft.org). I would like to try them out but all the tools need the libclntsh.so file from the Oracle client library. Anybody know where I could get a copy of this file without having to install all the Oracle client libraries from my Oracle 8i CD? -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services dutchman@mn.uswest.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From wilson at visi.com Wed Sep 13 14:32:55 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21269] Beginning - Language Perl or Python? In-Reply-To: <200009131133.GAA12743@nitz.hep.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, John J. Trammell wrote: > One thing that might influence your decision is how much support > you might get from the local programming community. If you think > COBOLScript is the all-singing, all-dancing language of the Universe, > fine, but when you're stuck you're stuck. :-) There is a listserv that python.org sponsors for people learning python. It's a great resource for questions about python programming problems. Many of the Python luminaries post regularly. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Wed Sep 13 14:55:25 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21272] Kinda off topic, a need quick cash sale References: Message-ID: <39BFDBAD.504CCF70@ltiflex.com> Whoohoo! Transformers! Man, I have a Grimlock somewhere. He's missing all his parts and half of a T-rex arm though. One of these days I'll have to raid the storage area and see what I find. I'm sure all of my transformers are in the "well played with" condition. But that's what they were bought for. Then again, kinda too bad. I mean, just try to find a complete set of Technobots with most of their parts. Hehehe...hmmm...somewhere in my family there is a complete Optimus Prime and Megatron, with their boxes. I wonder if my cousin or aunt still has them somewhere... Anyway, if I had the money, I'd grab them. Well, I do have the money but I shouldn't. Really. Awww man...I hate money decisions. Get your Transformers fix at http://www.tfarchive.com and http://www.tfextreme.com =) -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kozmik at myrealbox.com Wed Sep 13 14:58:02 2000 From: kozmik at myrealbox.com (Kozmik Krash) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21268] free linux CDs Message-ID: <200009132001.e8DK1TF06818@sprite.real-time.com> they would ship stable dont you think? > What did they do to their site? Last week I was able to order 4 CDs per > week per address, and Debian was on the list. They didn't have a version > number though, maybe they're unsure whether to ship stable or potato. > > ---------------------------------------------------------- ----------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn- linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn- linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jcook at k-lug.com Wed Sep 13 15:41:27 2000 From: jcook at k-lug.com (Cook, Justin S.) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21269] Beginning - Language Perl or Python? References: <0G0U00A2O6ERBA@mail1.supervalu.com> <001a01c01daa$85fefba0$270d020a@winona.msus.edu> <20000913130108.C13557@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <005d01c01dc2$fd7d92a0$270d020a@winona.msus.edu> Hmm, didnt think i'd start a flamewar(tm), good thing i came back from work early. [snip] Anyhow, calling it an obfuscating language is insulting. Perl can be used well. I've been able to make perfectly fine perl code. Its all about style. I find that languages that keep me from expressing the way I want to hamper my productivity anyhow. If I can code in perl, keep it pretty, and get more done, why should I listen to people like you who think perl somehow posseses programmers to do stupid things and use global vars, not abstract, and other big nasties? [/snip] problem is, most of all people who code perl express themselves in ugly, nasty, unreadable ways, even myself. I find it way easier to do one liners then write actual readable code =P. On a serious note, Perl is hard to read if people do express themselves so, maybe without realizing, perl makes it easy, but i use it all the time, its definatly a wonderful language. 70% of everything i code is perl. [snip] Whowa. Could you please give me concrete reasoning towards this effect. Include source if you want. [/snip] i figured the would maybe make you think, 'hey thats a joke, even if i dont like it, i wont take it seriously'. seems you should take a break, go read some http://www.userfriendly.org and laugh a little. I use java a bit, I dont prefer it, but I still use it. Java has it's place, that is true. wub, Justin "Slightly wondering where all the humor went" Cook Themes.org Staff mailto:jsc@themes.org http://kde.themes.org ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Dier To: Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21269] Beginning - Language Perl or Python? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Sep 13 17:44:15 2000 From: chewie at wookimus.net (^chewie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:08:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21269] Beginning - Language Perl or Python? In-Reply-To: <0G0U00A2O6ERBA@mail1.supervalu.com>; from Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com on Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 12:25:14PM -0500 References: <0G0U00A2O6ERBA@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: <20000913174415.B3679@wookimus.net> On Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 12:25:14PM -0500, Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > Really powerful things you can do in perl (like a hash of hashes) > are much harder to do in other languages. Actually, you can do hashes, slices, and all the fun things you want to do in Perl in Python as well. Really, when it comes down to it, it's just a program with it and find out if you like it. I would argue that everything you can do in Perl, Java, and C, you can do in Python. Personally, Python is my preference for a scripting language. -- Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom http://wookimus.net/chewie -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(This is from the "if it doesn't kill you it will make you stronger" school of thought. ;) Phil M On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, Cook, Justin S. wrote: > java bad, c/c++/insert any other language here, good. > > > Justin Cook > Themes.org Staff > mailto:jsc@themes.org > http://kde.themes.org > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 12:25 PM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21269] Beginning - Language Perl or Python? > > > > I learned to program in Perl, and it is by far my favorite > > language - but I don't know if I would recommend it to start out. > > > > Sure, there are some fantastic books (Camel book, Learning Perl), > > but I've found that I'm somewhat spoiled on it, making it very > > difficult for me to easily program in other languages. Really powerful > > things you can do in perl (like a hash of hashes) are much harder to > > do in other languages. I'd recommend learning Java first, so you know > > a "real" programming language - and then move onto Perl. > > > > Nick > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > -- Lottery: a tax on people who are bad at math --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From foeclan at winternet.com Wed Sep 13 22:01:19 2000 From: foeclan at winternet.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21296] Sound on Latitude XPi 133 Message-ID: I picked up a Dell Latitude XPi P133ST a while back, and I've installed Linux on it. I've got everything going except the sound on it. Dell's webpage (http://support.dell.com/docs/DTA/_titan/00000001.htm#P133ST) lists it as: SoundBlasterPro Compatible 3.01 vboice and music functions ES1888 ISA bus IRQ 5 (capture IRQ) 9 (playback IRQ) DMA 0 (capture DMA) 2 (playback DMA) I/O 0x220-22F (configuration registers) I/O 0x288-28B (FM synthesizer) I/O 0x330-331 (MPU 401) Based on the kernel docs, the SoundBlaster module should be able to do it. I've been using: /sbin/modprobe sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=0 dma16=5 mpu_io=0x330 (insert just about every combination of the above IRQs, DMAs, and I/O addresses I could think of) It consistently comes up as 'device or resource busy'. I checked /proc/interrupts, /proc/ioports, and /proc/dma and none of the requisite resources are busy. Configuring it in the kernel instead of as a module doesn't result in any direct errors, but results in 'No such device' any time I try to send something to /dev/audio, and /dev/sndstat shows stuff under Installed Drivers and Card Config (everything here is in parentheses), but nothing under Audio, Synth, or Midi devices. Anyone else tried setting up sound on one of these that could give me a hint? Michael Vieths Foeclan@Winternet.Com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Wed Sep 13 23:20:36 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21269] Beginning - Language Perl or Python? In-Reply-To: <20000913174415.B3679@wookimus.net>; from chewie@wookimus.net on Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 05:44:15PM -0500 References: <0G0U00A2O6ERBA@mail1.supervalu.com> <20000913174415.B3679@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20000913232036.C16406@ringworld.org> * ^chewie [000913 17:44]: > Actually, you can do hashes, slices, and all the fun things you want And, if it were java, you could contain anything within anything. :) Depending on how the classes were written of course. -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It's the response to error that counts." -- Nikki Giovanni -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Thu Sep 14 00:14:19 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21299] [Andreas.Gustafsson@nominum.com: BIND 9.0.0rc6] Message-ID: <20000914001419.A8102@real-time.com> > Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:54:15 -0700 (PDT) > From: Andreas Gustafsson > To: bind-announce@isc.org > Subject: BIND 9.0.0rc6 > > BIND 9.0.0rc6 is now available. This is a release candidate for BIND 9.0.0, > fixing a number of bugs found in rc5. Anyone running the latest version of BIND? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Thu Sep 14 07:13:39 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (Gabe Turner (officer)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21269] Beginning - Language Perl or Python? In-Reply-To: ; from mend0070@tc.umn.edu on Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 07:42:57PM -0500 References: <001a01c01daa$85fefba0$270d020a@winona.msus.edu> Message-ID: <20000914071339.B4421@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Actually, I'd agree with this. I once had to program a quicksort in MIPS assembly. Yes, it required I do recursion in assembly. It was far from fun... I don't think I really _understood_ recursion til I did that :) I also learned that programmng, behind the scenes, is just a bunch of gotos... How reassuring. Gabe On Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 07:42:57PM -0500, Philip C Mendelsohn wrote: > Start with assembler. Pay your dues. I guarantee anything else will seem > easy afterwards. (This is from the "if it doesn't kill you it will make > you stronger" school of thought. ;) > > Phil M > > On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, Cook, Justin S. wrote: > > > java bad, c/c++/insert any other language here, good. > > > > > > Justin Cook > > Themes.org Staff > > mailto:jsc@themes.org > > http://kde.themes.org > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 12:25 PM > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21269] Beginning - Language Perl or Python? > > > > > > > I learned to program in Perl, and it is by far my favorite > > > language - but I don't know if I would recommend it to start out. > > > > > > Sure, there are some fantastic books (Camel book, Learning Perl), > > > but I've found that I'm somewhat spoiled on it, making it very > > > difficult for me to easily program in other languages. Really powerful > > > things you can do in perl (like a hash of hashes) are much harder to > > > do in other languages. I'd recommend learning Java first, so you know > > > a "real" programming language - and then move onto Perl. > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ---- > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > -- > Lottery: a tax on people who are bad at math > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Question with boldness even the existence of a god." - Thomas Jefferson ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From drew at usfamily.net Thu Sep 14 09:55:45 2000 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21296] Sound on Latitude XPi 133 References: Message-ID: <39C0E6F1.563C12CF@usfamily.net> why not just have the module load automatically use linuxconf and then simply use sndconfig to select the card? Thats how simple it is for me. Unless you are asking some thing completly different. Michael Vieths wrote: > I picked up a Dell Latitude XPi P133ST a while back, and I've installed > Linux on it. I've got everything going except the sound on it. Dell's > webpage (http://support.dell.com/docs/DTA/_titan/00000001.htm#P133ST) > lists it as: > > SoundBlasterPro Compatible 3.01 vboice and music functions > ES1888 > ISA bus > IRQ 5 (capture IRQ) 9 (playback IRQ) > DMA 0 (capture DMA) 2 (playback DMA) > I/O 0x220-22F (configuration registers) > I/O 0x288-28B (FM synthesizer) > I/O 0x330-331 (MPU 401) > > Based on the kernel docs, the SoundBlaster module should be able to do it. > I've been using: > > /sbin/modprobe sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=0 dma16=5 mpu_io=0x330 > > (insert just about every combination of the above IRQs, DMAs, and I/O > addresses I could think of) > > It consistently comes up as 'device or resource busy'. I checked > /proc/interrupts, /proc/ioports, and /proc/dma and none of the requisite > resources are busy. Configuring it in the kernel instead of as a module > doesn't result in any direct errors, but results in 'No such device' any > time I try to send something to /dev/audio, and /dev/sndstat shows stuff > under Installed Drivers and Card Config (everything here is in > parentheses), but nothing under Audio, Synth, or Midi devices. > > Anyone else tried setting up sound on one of these that could give me a > hint? > > Michael Vieths > Foeclan@Winternet.Com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Thu Sep 14 10:19:14 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21296] Sound on Latitude XPi 133 References: <39C0E6F1.563C12CF@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <39C0EC72.171EE371@ltiflex.com> Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > > why not just have the module load automatically use linuxconf and then simply > use sndconfig to select the card? Thats how simple it is for me. Unless you > are asking some thing completly different. > Not really anything different, but...not everyone runs Red Hat. Not everyone uses linuxconf. (linuxconf is availalbe for debian...scary man!) I could be wrong, but we have an ISA card. I suspect an ISAPNP card. Unlike PCI-PNP cards, Linux needs a little help to plug-n-pray ISA cards. If the card isn't properly initlized by plug and play, he can modprobe it all he wants and set linuxconf to automaticaly laod the drivers and it still won't work. Then again I could be wrong and linuxconf does handle isapnp (come to think of it maybe it does...), but I don't use linux conf, I learned to do things "the hard way," and now linuxconf seems like "the hard way" because I'd have to learn how to use it, and I have been forever turned off by linuxconf since it royally hosed a couple rather important config file on me. Enough ranting, if you have linuxconf, give it a try if you want. It might work, I dunno. Dunno if my suggestion will work, but from the sound (or lack there-of) of it, your isa-pnp sound card is not being initlized by the os. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Sep 14 10:44:20 2000 From: chewie at wookimus.net (^chewie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21296] Sound on Latitude XPi 133 In-Reply-To: <39C0E6F1.563C12CF@usfamily.net>; from drew@usfamily.net on Thu, Sep 14, 2000 at 09:55:45AM -0500 References: <39C0E6F1.563C12CF@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <20000914104420.C3679@wookimus.net> On Thu, Sep 14, 2000 at 09:55:45AM -0500, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > why not just have the module load automatically use linuxconf and then simply > use sndconfig to select the card? Thats how simple it is for me. Unless you > are asking some thing completly different. // if this is wrong, you should get a core dump assert(linuxconf == evil); // but it's not wrong, so we'll go on our merry little way. > > SoundBlasterPro Compatible 3.01 vboice and music functions > > ES1888 > > ISA bus > > IRQ 5 (capture IRQ) 9 (playback IRQ) > > DMA 0 (capture DMA) 2 (playback DMA) > > I/O 0x220-22F (configuration registers) > > I/O 0x288-28B (FM synthesizer) > > I/O 0x330-331 (MPU 401) Very standard setup. I believe the most ES18xxx series are PCI cards, but I'd do some checking to find out. Firstly, run 'lspci'. You may see your hardware there. If your card is ISA, then configure it with 'pnpdump > /etc/isapnp.dump'. Edit the isapnp.dump file and move it to /etc/isapnp.conf. Run 'isapnp /etc/isapnp.conf' to activate your ISA PNP card. Then insert your module. Make sure you've run 'depmod -a' at some point so that your kernel knows where to find all the modules. Then run 'modprobe -a sb' for your sound card. And remember, you may not actually be using the 'sb' module. Make sure you read the kernel documentation regarding the sound modules, especially where ESS is concerned. -- Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom http://wookimus.net/chewie -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From david.evans at utoronto.ca Thu Sep 14 13:40:23 2000 From: david.evans at utoronto.ca (David Evans) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21269] Beginning - Language Perl or Python? References: <001a01c01daa$85fefba0$270d020a@winona.msus.edu> <20000914071339.B4421@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <39C11B97.F2450ACD@utoronto.ca> I think there are two ways of approaching learning to guru level programing (not that I think I'm guru but I can dream can't I?). These are learning a feature rich high level language that abstracts the hardware as much as possible and work your way down, or bare bones assembly and work your way up. There are a few things to consider. 1. Either way your first language will not teach you everything. Assembly does not give you the tools to make high level concepts (such as OO (Object Oriented) programming, design patterns, good commenting etc.) available since high level concepts have more to do with organizing code than with functionality. A high level language almost definitely won't teach you about registers, and probably won't teach about the stack, the heap and other things that for writing efficient code and understanding why something is going wrong or doesn't/won't work are really important. 2. Assembly is not a very productive language, i.e. it takes a lot of work for a very small amount of result. If you are the sort of person who wants to actually build programs, see them do things and be useful assembly is probably not the best route to go. 3. If you learn assembly first you will understand most things, as you climb up by how they work. If you learn a high level language you will understand most things, as you climb down, by what they do. In my opinion knowing everything by how it works is better (when possible). 4. The way most books and other written resources (on the web, in magazine articles etc.) are written they assume the high to low approach. Ok so that's my weighing of assembly versus high level. I think the best way to learn is to learn a high level then soon afterwards learn a bit of assembly and try to meet in the middle. I wouldn't suggest learning x86 assembly first as it has everything and the kitchen sink in it. Learn a simpler processor first. The important thing is just to have an idea of what is going on at the hardware level so that you understand what your code is doing. Now as to which to learn Python or Pearl. I haven't used Pearl very much and I have only glanced at Python but if I were you I'd go for Python. Pearl abstracts the hardware a lot and doesn't have features to facilitate OO programming (with any language you can write object oriented code it's just easier with an OO language). Python at least is OO. Pearl is also "not flat" (as Larry Wall puts it) it tries to meet with the human mind half way, which is great for doing things quickly but might be a bit dangerous for a first language. You might learn to think more like the Pearl designers and not so much like the computer. I've only glanced at Python so I'm not sure if it has this feature/bug. What I might suggest is if you want to thoroughly understand a machine and code for that machine pretty quickly you might want to look at Java since Java Byte code runs on a virtual machine you could just learn about that the JVM (Java Virtual Machine) and Java. The Java Virtual Machine doesn't have an assembly language. There are books on the JVM but I have not looked at them so I have no idea what audience they are oriented towards (if they are for implementors of JVMs than the books probably would not be of much use to you). I do know there are a lot of reading materials for learning Java as your first language. This message is probably overkill for a simple Python or Pearl question, David "Gabe Turner (officer)" wrote: > Actually, I'd agree with this. I once had to program a quicksort in MIPS > assembly. Yes, it required I do recursion in assembly. It was far from > fun... I don't think I really _understood_ recursion til I did that :) > I also learned that programmng, behind the scenes, is just a bunch of > gotos... How reassuring. > > Gabe > > On Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 07:42:57PM -0500, Philip C Mendelsohn wrote: > > Start with assembler. Pay your dues. I guarantee anything else will seem > > easy afterwards. (This is from the "if it doesn't kill you it will make > > you stronger" school of thought. ;) > > > > Phil M --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From foeclan at winternet.com Thu Sep 14 13:53:51 2000 From: foeclan at winternet.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21296] Sound on Latitude XPi 133 In-Reply-To: <20000914104420.C3679@wookimus.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 14 Sep 2000, ^chewie wrote: > // if this is wrong, you should get a core dump > assert(linuxconf == evil); > // but it's not wrong, so we'll go on our merry little way. Haven't used it, so can't say how evil it is. I'm using Slackware 7.0. > > > SoundBlasterPro Compatible 3.01 voice and music functions > > > IRQ 5 (capture IRQ) 9 (playback IRQ) > > > DMA 0 (capture DMA) 2 (playback DMA) > > > I/O 0x220-22F (configuration registers) > > > I/O 0x288-28B (FM synthesizer) > > > I/O 0x330-331 (MPU 401) > > Very standard setup. I believe the most ES18xxx series are PCI cards, > but I'd do some checking to find out. Firstly, run 'lspci'. You lspci shows bridges, IDE interface, and NeoMagic 2070 video chipset. The thing I'm wondering, I guess, is what the deal is with the multiple IRQ/DMA, one for capture and one for playback. Their docs page also indicates that it's on an internal ISA bus. > may see your hardware there. If your card is ISA, then configure it > with 'pnpdump > /etc/isapnp.dump'. Edit the isapnp.dump file and move pnpdump comes up with 'No boards found'. Checked the BIOS, there's no option relating to either the sound or PnP, and the sound was functioning under NT yesterday, so I have to assume the hardware is ok. I'm guessing it's non-PnP ISA. > And remember, you may not actually be using the 'sb' module. Make > sure you read the kernel documentation regarding the sound modules, > especially where ESS is concerned. Kernel docs say to use sb for es1888 with an 'esstype=1888' parameter. No luck with that either, I'm afraid. Michael Vieths Foeclan@Winternet.Com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Sep 14 14:21:36 2000 From: chewie at wookimus.net (^chewie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21308] (Pet Peeve) Format your email please! (was Re: [TCLUG:21269] Beginning - Language Perl or Python?) Message-ID: <20000914142136.D3679@wookimus.net> One of my largest pet peeves is: Email that uses EOLN's (End of Line) greater than 80 columns. Most MUA's (Mail User Agents) provide a way to specify the column width for plain-text email (the correct format of email when sending to email listservers or public forums). PLEASE use them! A nice suggestion would be to: Use EOLN's < 76 columns. This will allow at least two reply-to's of the standard reply comment '> ' to be inserted without running into line wrapping problems. Otherwise: Don't use EOLN's until the end of your paragraph. This may seem a bad option to some email users, but it is a reasonable assumption that most clients can wrap lines. If you don't have odd EOLN's for each line in the paragraph, it'll wrap nicely and break at the end of the paragraph. THANK YOU. -- Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom http://wookimus.net/chewie -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I did partion the hard-drive using fdisk though. When I boot from the floppy should I be able to mount the drive? I tried to mount /dev/hda1 but somehow it jumped the tracks and I got a 'kernel panic' message. I also tried using the 'root disk' floppy but then I was unable to login, (when I give my login as 'root' it just reprompts for the login.)... What do I seem to be doing wrong? Stephen --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu Thu Sep 14 19:11:26 2000 From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21310] patches Message-ID: <000914191126.2024b22c@dcmir.med.umn.edu> Hi I'm new to the list and am looking for guidance as far as patches go. I tried to get the FAQ, but there doesn't appear to be one, so I'd like to find out what the best way to get security patches and software updates for RedHat 6.2. My experience is with Irix, where you get the whole pile bundled and let the machine install what it wants, but I can't seem to get things to work that way here. Is there a way to get the system updater to do this or do you have to download each patch and then apply it? Many thanks! Ed Hoeffner 1-271 BSBE 312 Church St. SE Mpls, MN 55455 hoeffner@dcmir.med.umn.edu 612-625-2115 612-625-2163 fax --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Thu Sep 14 20:30:46 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21269] Beginning - Language Perl or Python? In-Reply-To: <39C11B97.F2450ACD@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, 14 Sep 2000, David Evans wrote: > 2. Assembly is not a very productive language, i.e. it takes a lot of > work for a very small amount of result. If you are the sort of person > who wants to actually build programs, see them do things and be useful > assembly is probably not the best route to go. I hope no one expects to be really productive off the bat when learning much of anything, including computer languages. > 3. If you learn assembly first you will understand most things, as you > climb up by how they work. If you learn a high level language you will > understand most things, as you climb down, by what they do. In my > opinion knowing everything by how it works is better (when possible). I think that this is one of the most perceptive statements I've heard for a while. And not just because I agree with your opinion! > 4. The way most books and other written resources (on the web, in > magazine articles etc.) are written they assume the high to low > approach. And no one that writes those things has managed to work themselves out of a job either, have they. ;P Cheers, Phil -- Lottery: a tax on people who are bad at math --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Sep 14 23:48:36 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21312] simap/imap 2000? Message-ID: Hi, Has anyone who uses qmail managed to get imap-2000 to use it's native SSL mode? Or, in fact, got imap-2000 to work with qmail at all? Qmail puts users' mailboxes in ~/Mailbox, rather than in /var/spool/mail/username. imap-2000 needs to be modified in order to accomodate this. This is mentioned in their documentation. You are supposed to edit src/osdep/unix/env-unix.c, and change the line: sprintf (tmp,"%s/%s",MAILSPOOL,myusername ()); to: sprintf (tmp,"%s/Mailbox",myhomedir ()); Which actually makes sense. Except when you do that, imapd segfaults when it is launched from inetd! I checked and it runs fine when the original line is there. Anyone? Or does anyone have a suggestion on running a native-ssl (no stunnel) imapd that's qmail-compatible? -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From trammell at nitz.hep.umn.edu Thu Sep 14 17:06:50 2000 From: trammell at nitz.hep.umn.edu (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21309] Help. Newbie problem Message-ID: <200009142206.RAA15119@nitz.hep.umn.edu> Yay, a new problem to fix! :-) "Stephen B Knewtson" wrote: > I am trying to install Slackware 7.1 on a HP Pavillion. I think I > partioned the drive ok but I am having problems installing. So what partition types/sizes did you settle on? Is this a dual boot system? > I need the CDROM to install. Unfortunately I was booting from the > CDROM and was (apparently) unable to change disks because I guess > it won't let go of the boot drive. This is odd. Can you get a "base" install from a single CD, then add packages from the other CDROM(s) once you have the system up? I would be surprised if two whole CDs were absolutely necessary. > I did partion the hard-drive using fdisk though. When I boot from > the floppy should I be able to mount the drive? You should at least have all the tools you will need to mount the drive. > I tried to mount /dev/hda1 but somehow it jumped the tracks and I > got a 'kernel panic' message. That is pretty intense. What did that mount command look like? > I also tried using the 'root disk' floppy but then I was unable > to login, (when I give my login as 'root' it just reprompts for > the login.)... That's a new one on me. I'd guess the Slack experts on the list might know what that means. Good luck, J --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Fri Sep 15 02:58:42 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21314] Helix Code for Pinstripe? Message-ID: <20000915025842.C511@real-time.com> Anyone know when Helix will be updated to the new rpm format of pinstripe? The helix-updates don't work because of the difference between rpm v3 and rpm v4, so I am compiling everything from source. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com Fri Sep 15 06:26:20 2000 From: RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21315] Thanks on Perl Python Question Message-ID: <8794B3B640FED2118D8600C00D0020A593ECE7@IPSERVER2> Thanks for the great response on the perl, python question. Many good responses. I will have an easier time deciding. Ryan Ware --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From barnabas at knicknack.net Fri Sep 15 07:12:01 2000 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (barnabas@knicknack.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21312] simap/imap 2000? In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Thu, Sep 14, 2000 at 11:48:36PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20000915071201.A27400@knicknack.net> Is the storage pointed to by tmp large enough to hold the resulting string? Eric On Thu, Sep 14, 2000 at 11:48:36PM -0500, Yaron wrote: > Hi, > > Has anyone who uses qmail managed to get imap-2000 to use it's native SSL > mode? Or, in fact, got imap-2000 to work with qmail at all? > > Qmail puts users' mailboxes in ~/Mailbox, rather than in > /var/spool/mail/username. imap-2000 needs to be modified in order to > accomodate this. This is mentioned in their documentation. You are > supposed to edit src/osdep/unix/env-unix.c, and change the line: > > sprintf (tmp,"%s/%s",MAILSPOOL,myusername ()); > > to: > > sprintf (tmp,"%s/Mailbox",myhomedir ()); > > Which actually makes sense. Except when you do that, imapd segfaults when > it is launched from inetd! > > I checked and it runs fine when the original line is there. > > Anyone? Or does anyone have a suggestion on running a native-ssl (no > stunnel) imapd that's qmail-compatible? > > -Yaron > > -- > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Fri Sep 15 07:34:33 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21309] Help. Newbie problem In-Reply-To: <200009142206.RAA15119@nitz.hep.umn.edu> Message-ID: I don't quite understand what you're saying. You wouldn't be able to mount the partition unless it was formatted as ext2 either by you or slack install. Here's my quick and dirty slack install instructions. 1) If you have a bootable CD-ROM drive and a bootable Slack image, boot from the CD and skip to step 3 2) Create the boot and root disks. In Win/DOS put the slack CD in and run rawrite.exe (it's on the CD in one of those directories) with 2 different floppies, once each for color.gz and bare.i: rawrite.exe a: d:\bootdsks.144\bare.i rawrite.exe a: d:\rootdsks\color.gz (I don't know for sure that that's the proper syntax for rawrite, I haven't used it in awhile) 3) Your system should have booted to linux and be at the login prompt. Login as root 4) Partition using fdisk. Make at least a swap which should be 1.5 or 2 times the size of your system memory (in general, my opinion) and a root partition. This is kind of the simplest case. Here's an example: fdisk /dev/hda /dev/hda1 swap 256M /dev/hda2 / 6000M (use the rest for your / partition) You may want to make seperate partitions for /, /usr, /home, /tmp, /var but it takes some practice to now how big to make each in relation to a given hard drive size and the application. The above will work fine. 5) After you partition, (w)rite in fdisk, then type "setup" at the prompt. 6) Go through the main menu line by line. Addswap will initialize the swap partition. Next you'll format your partitions and name which ones are used as mountpoints for various places. Then you need to choose the source for packages, choose the CD-ROM, nowadays any IDE CD should autodetect fine. 7) Select your packages, install them. 8) Do Post-Install Configuration 9) Reboot Slack setup will automagically format your partitions that you created with fdisk. Once those are formatted then you just need to install the packages, and you're home free. If you want more help I'm happy to offer it, and I'm sure the other Slackware goons would be too. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Thu, 14 Sep 2000, John J. Trammell wrote: > Yay, a new problem to fix! :-) > > "Stephen B Knewtson" wrote: > > > I am trying to install Slackware 7.1 on a HP Pavillion. I think I > > partioned the drive ok but I am having problems installing. > > So what partition types/sizes did you settle on? Is this a dual > boot system? > > > I need the CDROM to install. Unfortunately I was booting from the > > CDROM and was (apparently) unable to change disks because I guess > > it won't let go of the boot drive. > > This is odd. Can you get a "base" install from a single CD, then > add packages from the other CDROM(s) once you have the system up? > I would be surprised if two whole CDs were absolutely necessary. > > > I did partion the hard-drive using fdisk though. When I boot from > > the floppy should I be able to mount the drive? > > You should at least have all the tools you will need to mount the > drive. > > > I tried to mount /dev/hda1 but somehow it jumped the tracks and I > > got a 'kernel panic' message. > > That is pretty intense. What did that mount command look like? > > > I also tried using the 'root disk' floppy but then I was unable > > to login, (when I give my login as 'root' it just reprompts for > > the login.)... > > That's a new one on me. I'd guess the Slack experts on the list > might know what that means. > > Good luck, > J > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kent at structural-wood.com Fri Sep 15 07:53:34 2000 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21315] Thanks on Perl Python Question References: <8794B3B640FED2118D8600C00D0020A593ECE7@IPSERVER2> Message-ID: <39C21BCE.D7CEBB6A@structural-wood.com> Ryan Ware wrote: > > Thanks for the great response on the perl, python question. Many good > responses. I will have an easier time deciding. > > Ryan Ware > I would like to add that you can't go wrong here. Each language you add to your skill set will give you a different perspective on the process of writing software. After a long time of doing this in lots of different languages, I am learning that the language is less important than the way you visualize the problem and solution. Writing the code is simply putting the vision to paper (well, not so simply). I also believe there is hybrid vigor at work when you learn multiple languages. An aspect of one language can clarify a similiar aspect of a different language. Polyglottaly yours, Kent --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Fri Sep 15 08:17:16 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21315] Thanks on Perl Python Question References: <8794B3B640FED2118D8600C00D0020A593ECE7@IPSERVER2> <39C21BCE.D7CEBB6A@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <004001c01f17$45316db0$dd29680a@tgt.com> I will second that opinion. At some point the language is just the tool, how to create a solution is really what you learn. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net > > I would like to add that you can't go wrong here. Each language you > add to your skill set will give you a different perspective on the > process of writing software. > > After a long time of doing this in lots of different languages, I am > learning that the language is less important than the way you visualize > the problem and solution. Writing the code is simply putting the > vision to paper (well, not so simply). > > I also believe there is hybrid vigor at work when you learn multiple > languages. An aspect of one language can clarify a similiar aspect > of a different language. > > Polyglottaly yours, > Kent --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mjj55409 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 15 08:46:10 2000 From: mjj55409 at yahoo.com (Michael Josephson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21320] A couple of questions In-Reply-To: <20000914144157.A558@caliban>; from mjj on Thu, Sep 14, 2000 at 02:41:57PM -0500 References: <20000914144157.A558@caliban> Message-ID: <20000915084610.B5425@caliban> Anyone out there using efax? I'm trying to setup fax services and I'm having a couple of problems. First, efax reports an error every time it tries to receive a fax. It recognizes the call as a fax call, answers appropriately, but every line is received in error. I'm probably just missing a setting, but I've gone over and over the man page, and I can't figured it out. I've attached the efax log output if anyone can help debug. My second problem is probably not efax related. I first installed Linux a couple of weeks ago. It's been such a fun experience I decided to reinstall last night. (I wanted a clean slate; I'd done some things with the previous installation that I wish I hadn't). The installation went great, and my system is as fully functional as it was before expect for 1 thing. I am no longer getting system emails. I had the logchecker script sending me mail, as well as efax. Before I installed, I was getting those emails. Now I'm not. I have a line in /etc/aliases: root=mjj, but no go. I realize this isn't a lot of info, but can anyone point me in a direction? I'm stumped. Cheers, mj --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From KNEWTSON at prodigy.net Fri Sep 15 10:52:33 2000 From: KNEWTSON at prodigy.net (Stephen B Knewtson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21309] Help. Newbie problem References: <200009142206.RAA15119@nitz.hep.umn.edu> Message-ID: <000f01c01f2c$f7081ce0$0f82fed1@e8fse> Its all-right. I got it sorted out. I was using the cd labeled 'ready to boot' instead of the install cd. I was thinking boot *then* install....d'oh -Stephen ----- Original Message ----- From: John J. Trammell To: Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 15:06 Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21309] Help. Newbie problem > Yay, a new problem to fix! :-) > > "Stephen B Knewtson" wrote: > > > I am trying to install Slackware 7.1 on a HP Pavillion. I think I > > partioned the drive ok but I am having problems installing. > > So what partition types/sizes did you settle on? Is this a dual > boot system? > > > I need the CDROM to install. Unfortunately I was booting from the > > CDROM and was (apparently) unable to change disks because I guess > > it won't let go of the boot drive. > > This is odd. Can you get a "base" install from a single CD, then > add packages from the other CDROM(s) once you have the system up? > I would be surprised if two whole CDs were absolutely necessary. > > > I did partion the hard-drive using fdisk though. When I boot from > > the floppy should I be able to mount the drive? > > You should at least have all the tools you will need to mount the > drive. > > > I tried to mount /dev/hda1 but somehow it jumped the tracks and I > > got a 'kernel panic' message. > > That is pretty intense. What did that mount command look like? > > > I also tried using the 'root disk' floppy but then I was unable > > to login, (when I give my login as 'root' it just reprompts for > > the login.)... > > That's a new one on me. I'd guess the Slack experts on the list > might know what that means. > > Good luck, > J > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Fri Sep 15 08:59:42 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21320] A couple of questions References: <20000914144157.A558@caliban> <20000915084610.B5425@caliban> Message-ID: <39C22B4E.32682421@ltiflex.com> What distro? What MDA (exim, sendmail, postfix, other)? Did you run newaliases? -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From john1536 at tc.umn.edu Fri Sep 15 09:41:17 2000 From: john1536 at tc.umn.edu (Troy A. Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21324] Probably an easy sh/perl question... References: Message-ID: <39C2350D.BCBB8614@tc.umn.edu> Aha! Another TCLUG-DEVEL question. ;-) # get an array of directory entries $datadir = "/home/user/data"; opendir (D, $datadir); @entries = readdir(D); closedir(D); Good luck, Troy mjn wrote: > > I have a huge directory of config files for some majordomo lists, all of > which have one line which I want to change. > > Now I have been doing some perl scripting for awhile, i am still quite > green, but it always seems to take me twice the time to code the script > than would have been just to do the manual edit. > > Anyone know an easy way to change all of these files? It is going to have > to involve some reg-exp because the variable is sender = owner-listname > which needs to be changed to listname-owner. > > The regexp manuevering isn't really a problem, I have something that will > do that actually. The place where I usually run into problems is the > gathering of filenames and then the interaction with those files... > > so anyone got a quick answer to this problem? > > ____________________________ > Mike Neuharth > ADCS Technology Specialist > http://www.umn.edu/adcs > > E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu > Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com > http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ > ____________________________ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Troy Johnson mailto:john1536@tc.umn.edu http://umn.edu/~john1536/ ...I'm going to slap the faces right off of your skulls! -- CAJ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mjj55409 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 15 09:30:01 2000 From: mjj55409 at yahoo.com (Michael Josephson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21320] A couple of questions In-Reply-To: <39C22B4E.32682421@ltiflex.com>; from andyzb@ltiflex.com on Fri, Sep 15, 2000 at 08:59:42AM -0500 References: <20000914144157.A558@caliban> <20000915084610.B5425@caliban> <39C22B4E.32682421@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <20000915093001.A5773@caliban> On Fri, Sep 15, 2000 at 08:59:42AM -0500, Andy Zbikowski wrote: > What distro? What MDA (exim, sendmail, postfix, other)? Did you run > newaliases? I'm using Debian. I've solved the mail problem; it was a setting in exim.conf that I had overlooked. I'm still having faxing problems though. I see that I forgot to attach the efax log to my initial message. Here it is... Thanks, mj -------------- next part -------------- efax: Thu Sep 14 13:55:44 2000 efax v 0.9 Copyright 1999 Ed Casas efax: 55:44 compiled Dec 15 1999 21:05:01 efax: 55:44 argv[0]=efax efax: 55:44 argv[1]=-v efax: 55:44 argv[2]= efax: 55:44 argv[3]=-v efax: 55:44 argv[4]=chewmainrxtf efax: 55:44 argv[5]=-d/dev/ttyS1 efax: 55:44 argv[6]=-iZ efax: 55:44 argv[7]=-i&FE&D2S7=120 efax: 55:44 argv[8]=-i&C0 efax: 55:44 argv[9]=-iM1L0 efax: 55:44 argv[10]=-x efax: 55:44 argv[11]=/var/lock/LCK..ttyS1 efax: 55:44 argv[12]=-l efax: 55:44 argv[13]=+1 612 825 8313 efax: 55:44 argv[14]=-kZ efax: 55:44 argv[15]=-g efax: 55:44 argv[16]=exec /sbin/getty -h ttyS1 %d vt100 efax: 55:44 argv[17]=-e efax: 55:44 argv[18]=exec /usr/bin/fone %d efax: 55:44 argv[19]=-jS0=1 efax: 55:44 argv[20]=-w efax: 55:44 argv[21]=-s efax: 55:44 argv[22]=-r efax: 55:44 argv[23]=%m%d%H%M%S efax: 55:44 created text lock file /var/lock/LCK..ttyS1 efax: 55:44 opened /dev/ttyS1 efax: 55:44 command "Q0V1" efax: 55:44 waiting 2.0 s efax: 55:44 .379 [ATQ0V1] efax: 55:44 .510 [OK] efax: 55:44 response "OK" efax: 55:44 command "Z" efax: 55:44 waiting 5.0 s efax: 55:44 .619 [ATZ] efax: 55:44 .750 [OK] efax: 55:44 response "OK" efax: 55:44 command "&FE&D2S7=120" efax: 55:44 waiting 5.0 s efax: 55:44 .860 [AT&FE&D2S7=120] efax: 55:44 .989 [OK] efax: 55:44 response "OK" efax: 55:45 command "&C0" efax: 55:45 waiting 5.0 s efax: 55:45 .229 [OK] efax: 55:45 response "OK" efax: 55:45 command "M1L0" efax: 55:45 waiting 5.0 s efax: 55:45 .469 [OK] efax: 55:45 response "OK" efax: 55:45 command "E0" efax: 55:45 waiting 5.0 s efax: 55:45 .709 [OK] efax: 55:45 response "OK" efax: 55:45 command "I3" efax: 55:45 waiting 5.0 s efax: 55:45 .819 [U.S. Robotics 56K FAX EXT V4.11.2] efax: 55:45 .969 [OK] efax: 55:45 response "OK" efax: 55:46 command "+FCLASS=?" efax: 55:46 waiting 5.0 s efax: 55:46 .209 [0,1,2.0] efax: 55:46 .339 [OK] efax: 55:46 response "OK" efax: 55:46 command "+FCLASS=2.0" efax: 55:46 waiting 5.0 s efax: 55:46 .579 [OK] efax: 55:46 response "OK" efax: 55:46 command "+FMI?" efax: 55:46 waiting 5.0 s efax: 55:46 .819 [U.S. Robotics 56K FAX] efax: 55:46 .959 [OK] efax: 55:46 response "OK" efax: 55:47 command "+FMM?" efax: 55:47 waiting 5.0 s efax: 55:47 .199 [OK] efax: 55:47 response "OK" efax: 55:47 command "+FMR?" efax: 55:47 waiting 5.0 s efax: 55:47 .559 [OK] efax: 55:47 response "OK" efax: 55:47 using U.S. Robotics 56K FAX EXT V4.11.2 U.S. Robotics 56K FAX OK OK in class 2.0 efax: 55:47 command "+FIP" efax: 55:47 waiting 5.0 s efax: 55:47 .919 [OK] efax: 55:47 response "OK" efax: 55:48 command "+FNR=1,1,1,1" efax: 55:48 waiting 5.0 s efax: 55:48 .159 [OK] efax: 55:48 response "OK" efax: 55:48 command "+FCR=1" efax: 55:48 waiting 5.0 s efax: 55:48 .399 [OK] efax: 55:48 response "OK" efax: 55:48 command "+FIS?" efax: 55:48 waiting 5.0 s efax: 55:48 .539 [1,5,0,2,0,0,0,5] efax: 55:48 .669 [OK] efax: 55:48 response "OK" efax: 55:48 command "+FLI=" +1 612 825 8313"" efax: 55:48 waiting 5.0 s efax: 55:48 .819 [OK] efax: 55:48 response "OK" efax: 55:48 command "S0=1" efax: 55:48 waiting 5.0 s efax: 55:49 .059 [OK] efax: 55:49 response "OK" efax: 55:49 read HDB pid 23429 [ 23429] from /var/lock/LCK..ttyS1 (our pid) efax: 55:49 removed lock file /var/lock/LCK..ttyS1 efax: 55:49 waiting for activity efax: 57:54 activity detected efax: 57:55 created text lock file /var/lock/LCK..ttyS1 efax: 57:55 waiting 120.0 s efax: 57:55 .400 [RING] efax: 57:55 waiting 120.0 s efax: 58:02 .869 [+FCO] efax: 58:08 .649 [+FCO] efax: 58:11 .029 [+FTI:" 651 407 6022"] efax: 58:11 .040 [+FCS:0,3,0,2,0,0,0,5] efax: 58:11 .050 [OK] efax: 58:11 response "OK" efax: 58:11 fax call answered efax: 58:11 remote ID -> " 651 407 6022" efax: 58:11 session 98lpi 9600bps 8.5"/215mm any 1D - - 20ms efax: 58:11 command "+FDR" efax: 58:11 waiting 60.0 s efax: 58:15 .029 [CONNECT] efax: 58:15 response "CONNECT" efax: 58:15 (1:2335)(2:2335)(3:2335)(4:2335)(6:2335)(7:2335)(8:2335)(9:2335)(10:2335)(11:2335)(12:2335)(13:2335)(14:2335)(15:2335)(16:2335)(17:2335)(18:2335)(19:2335)(20:2335)(21:2335)(22:2335)(23:2335)(24:2335)(25:2335)(26:2335)(27:2335)(28:2335)(29:2335)(30:2335)(31:2335)(32:2335)(33:2335)..... : reception errors efax: 59:05 Warning: 835 reception errors efax: 59:05 received 835 lines, 835 errors efax: 59:05 received -> 0914135811.001 efax: 59:05 waiting 12.0 s efax: 59:17 Error: timed out after waiting efax: 59:17 wrote 0914135811.001 as 1728x835 pixel 204x98 dpi TIFF page (4802 bytes) efax: 59:17 wrote 0914135811.002 as 1728x0 pixel 204x98 dpi TIFF page (10 bytes) efax: 59:17 removed 0914135811.002 efax: 59:17 command "+FKS" efax: 59:17 waiting 5.0 s efax: 59:22 Warning: timed out after command: +FKS efax: 59:22 command "Q0V1" efax: 59:22 waiting 2.0 s efax: 59:22 .789 [OK] efax: 59:22 response "OK" efax: 59:22 command "Z" efax: 59:22 waiting 5.0 s efax: 59:23 .019 [)<...5.0 s>] efax: 59:28 Error: modem command (Z) failed efax: 59:28 read HDB pid 23429 [ 23429] from /var/lock/LCK..ttyS1 (our pid) efax: 59:28 removed lock file /var/lock/LCK..ttyS1 efax: 59:28 done, returning 3 (invalid modem response) efax: Thu Sep 14 14:12:46 2000 efax v 0.9 Copyright 1999 Ed Casas efax: 12:46 compiled Dec 15 1999 21:05:01 efax: 12:46 argv[0]=efax efax: 12:46 argv[1]=-v efax: 12:46 argv[2]= efax: 12:46 argv[3]=-v efax: 12:46 argv[4]=chewmainrxtf efax: 12:46 argv[5]=-d/dev/ttyS1 efax: 12:46 argv[6]=-iZ efax: 12:46 argv[7]=-i&FE&D2S7=120 efax: 12:46 argv[8]=-i&C0 efax: 12:46 argv[9]=-iM1L0 efax: 12:46 argv[10]=-x efax: 12:46 argv[11]=/var/lock/LCK..ttyS1 efax: 12:46 argv[12]=-l efax: 12:46 argv[13]=+1 612 825 8313 efax: 12:46 argv[14]=-kZ efax: 12:46 argv[15]=-g efax: 12:46 argv[16]=exec /sbin/getty -h ttyS1 %d vt100 efax: 12:46 argv[17]=-e efax: 12:46 argv[18]=exec /usr/bin/fone %d efax: 12:46 argv[19]=-jS0=1 efax: 12:46 argv[20]=-w efax: 12:46 argv[21]=-s efax: 12:46 argv[22]=-r efax: 12:46 argv[23]=%m%d%H%M%S efax: 12:46 created text lock file /var/lock/LCK..ttyS1 efax: 12:46 opened /dev/ttyS1 efax: 12:47 command "Q0V1" efax: 12:47 waiting 2.0 s efax: 12:47 .029 [ATQ0V1] efax: 12:47 .157 [OK] efax: 12:47 response "OK" efax: 12:47 command "Z" efax: 12:47 waiting 5.0 s efax: 12:47 .269 [ATZ] efax: 12:47 .397 [OK] efax: 12:47 response "OK" efax: 12:47 command "&FE&D2S7=120" efax: 12:47 waiting 5.0 s efax: 12:47 .509 [AT&FE&D2S7=120] efax: 12:47 .637 [OK] efax: 12:47 response "OK" efax: 12:47 command "&C0" efax: 12:47 waiting 5.0 s efax: 12:47 .877 [OK] efax: 12:47 response "OK" efax: 12:47 command "M1L0" efax: 12:47 waiting 5.0 s efax: 12:48 .117 [OK] efax: 12:48 response "OK" efax: 12:48 command "E0" efax: 12:48 waiting 5.0 s efax: 12:48 .357 [OK] efax: 12:48 response "OK" efax: 12:48 command "I3" efax: 12:48 waiting 5.0 s efax: 12:48 .469 [U.S. Robotics 56K FAX EXT V4.11.2] efax: 12:48 .617 [OK] efax: 12:48 response "OK" efax: 12:48 command "+FCLASS=?" efax: 12:48 waiting 5.0 s efax: 12:48 .857 [0,1,2.0] efax: 12:48 .989 [OK] efax: 12:48 response "OK" efax: 12:49 command "+FCLASS=2.0" efax: 12:49 waiting 5.0 s efax: 12:49 .229 [OK] efax: 12:49 response "OK" efax: 12:49 command "+FMI?" efax: 12:49 waiting 5.0 s efax: 12:49 .469 [U.S. Robotics 56K FAX] efax: 12:49 .609 [OK] efax: 12:49 response "OK" efax: 12:49 command "+FMM?" efax: 12:49 waiting 5.0 s efax: 12:49 .849 [OK] efax: 12:49 response "OK" efax: 12:50 command "+FMR?" efax: 12:50 waiting 5.0 s efax: 12:50 .217 [OK] efax: 12:50 response "OK" efax: 12:50 using U.S. Robotics 56K FAX EXT V4.11.2 U.S. Robotics 56K FAX OK OK in class 2.0 efax: 12:50 command "+FIP" efax: 12:50 waiting 5.0 s efax: 12:50 .589 [OK] efax: 12:50 response "OK" efax: 12:50 command "+FNR=1,1,1,1" efax: 12:50 waiting 5.0 s efax: 12:50 .837 [OK] efax: 12:50 response "OK" efax: 12:50 command "+FCR=1" efax: 12:50 waiting 5.0 s efax: 12:51 .077 [OK] efax: 12:51 response "OK" efax: 12:51 command "+FIS?" efax: 12:51 waiting 5.0 s efax: 12:51 .217 [1,5,0,2,0,0,0,5] efax: 12:51 .349 [OK] efax: 12:51 response "OK" efax: 12:51 command "+FLI=" +1 612 825 8313"" efax: 12:51 waiting 5.0 s efax: 12:51 .497 [OK] efax: 12:51 response "OK" efax: 12:51 command "S0=1" efax: 12:51 waiting 5.0 s efax: 12:51 .737 [OK] efax: 12:51 response "OK" efax: 12:51 read HDB pid 284 [ 284] from /var/lock/LCK..ttyS1 (our pid) efax: 12:51 removed lock file /var/lock/LCK..ttyS1 efax: 12:51 waiting for activity efax: 20:19 activity detected efax: 20:19 created text lock file /var/lock/LCK..ttyS1 efax: 20:19 waiting 120.0 s efax: 20:19 .757 [RING] efax: 20:19 waiting 120.0 s efax: 20:26 .627 [+FCO] efax: 20:33 .407 [+FCO] efax: 20:35 .437 [+FTI:" 651 407 6022"] efax: 20:35 .447 [+FCS:0,3,0,2,0,0,0,5] efax: 20:35 .467 [OK] efax: 20:35 response "OK" efax: 20:35 fax call answered efax: 20:35 remote ID -> " 651 407 6022" efax: 20:35 session 98lpi 9600bps 8.5"/215mm any 1D - - 20ms efax: 20:35 command "+FDR" efax: 20:35 waiting 60.0 s efax: 20:39 .427 [CONNECT] efax: 20:39 response "CONNECT" efax: 20:39 (1:2335)(2:2335)(3:2335)(4:2335)(5:9669)(6:24158)(7:15346)(8:2335)(9:2335)(10:2335)(11:2335)(12:771)(13:2346)(14:2335)(15:2335)(16:2335)(17:2335)(18:2335)(19:2335)(20:2335)(21:2335)(22:2335)(23:2335)(24:2335)(25:2335)(26:2335)(27:2335)(28:2335)(29:2335)(30:2335)(31:2335)(32:2335)..... : reception errors efax: 21:29 Warning: 839 reception errors efax: 21:29 received 839 lines, 839 errors efax: 21:29 received -> 0914142035.001 efax: 21:29 waiting 12.0 s efax: 21:41 Error: timed out after waiting efax: 21:41 wrote 0914142035.001 as 1728x839 pixel 204x98 dpi TIFF page (5667 bytes) efax: 21:41 wrote 0914142035.002 as 1728x0 pixel 204x98 dpi TIFF page (10 bytes) efax: 21:41 removed 0914142035.002 efax: 21:41 command "+FKS" efax: 21:41 waiting 5.0 s efax: 21:46 Warning: timed out after command: +FKS efax: 21:46 command "Q0V1" efax: 21:46 waiting 2.0 s efax: 21:46 .817 [OK] efax: 21:46 response "OK" efax: 21:46 command "Z" efax: 21:46 waiting 5.0 s efax: 21:47 .047 [)<...5.0 s>] efax: 21:52 Error: modem command (Z) failed efax: 21:52 read HDB pid 284 [ 284] from /var/lock/LCK..ttyS1 (our pid) efax: 21:52 removed lock file /var/lock/LCK..ttyS1 efax: 21:52 done, returning 3 (invalid modem response) -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mjn at umn.edu Fri Sep 15 09:34:16 2000 From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21324] Probably an easy sh/perl question... Message-ID: I have a huge directory of config files for some majordomo lists, all of which have one line which I want to change. Now I have been doing some perl scripting for awhile, i am still quite green, but it always seems to take me twice the time to code the script than would have been just to do the manual edit. Anyone know an easy way to change all of these files? It is going to have to involve some reg-exp because the variable is sender = owner-listname which needs to be changed to listname-owner. The regexp manuevering isn't really a problem, I have something that will do that actually. The place where I usually run into problems is the gathering of filenames and then the interaction with those files... so anyone got a quick answer to this problem? ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ ____________________________ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Fri Sep 15 09:38:35 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21324] Probably an easy sh/perl question... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Let's say you have: file1.txt sender = list1-bill file2.txt sender = list2-joe you'd do: cat file1.txt | awk /^sender/ -F - '{ printf("sender = %s-%s\n", $2, $1) }' should give you: sender = bill-list1 for file1. So you'd script it like: #!/bin/sh for nerp in `ls /usr/local/majordomo/lists/config*` do cat $nerp | awk /^sender/ -F - '{ printf("sender = %s-%s\n", $2, $1) }' > /tmp/nerp.$$ cp /tmp/nerp.$$ /usr/local/majordomo/lists/$nerp done; or something like that. Test it first! Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, mjn wrote: > I have a huge directory of config files for some majordomo lists, all of > which have one line which I want to change. > > Now I have been doing some perl scripting for awhile, i am still quite > green, but it always seems to take me twice the time to code the script > than would have been just to do the manual edit. > > Anyone know an easy way to change all of these files? It is going to have > to involve some reg-exp because the variable is sender = owner-listname > which needs to be changed to listname-owner. > > The regexp manuevering isn't really a problem, I have something that will > do that actually. The place where I usually run into problems is the > gathering of filenames and then the interaction with those files... > > so anyone got a quick answer to this problem? > > ____________________________ > Mike Neuharth > ADCS Technology Specialist > http://www.umn.edu/adcs > > E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu > Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com > http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ > ____________________________ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Fri Sep 15 09:54:37 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21324] Probably an easy sh/perl question... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sorry...the -F - needs to come first on the awk command line, before the search string /^sender/ Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, Adam Maloney wrote: > Let's say you have: > > file1.txt > sender = list1-bill > > file2.txt > sender = list2-joe > > you'd do: > cat file1.txt | awk /^sender/ -F - '{ printf("sender = %s-%s\n", $2, $1) > }' > > should give you: > sender = bill-list1 for file1. > > So you'd script it like: > > #!/bin/sh > for nerp in `ls /usr/local/majordomo/lists/config*` > do > cat $nerp | awk /^sender/ -F - '{ printf("sender = %s-%s\n", $2, $1) }' > > /tmp/nerp.$$ > cp /tmp/nerp.$$ /usr/local/majordomo/lists/$nerp > done; > > or something like that. Test it first! > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, mjn wrote: > > > I have a huge directory of config files for some majordomo lists, all of > > which have one line which I want to change. > > > > Now I have been doing some perl scripting for awhile, i am still quite > > green, but it always seems to take me twice the time to code the script > > than would have been just to do the manual edit. > > > > Anyone know an easy way to change all of these files? It is going to have > > to involve some reg-exp because the variable is sender = owner-listname > > which needs to be changed to listname-owner. > > > > The regexp manuevering isn't really a problem, I have something that will > > do that actually. The place where I usually run into problems is the > > gathering of filenames and then the interaction with those files... > > > > so anyone got a quick answer to this problem? > > > > ____________________________ > > Mike Neuharth > > ADCS Technology Specialist > > http://www.umn.edu/adcs > > > > E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu > > Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com > > http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ > > ____________________________ > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Fri Sep 15 10:03:01 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21324] Probably an easy sh/perl question... References: Message-ID: <00b801c01f26$0b122250$dd29680a@tgt.com> Use sed. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: mjn To: Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 9:34 AM Subject: [TCLUG:21324] Probably an easy sh/perl question... > I have a huge directory of config files for some majordomo lists, all of > which have one line which I want to change. > > Now I have been doing some perl scripting for awhile, i am still quite > green, but it always seems to take me twice the time to code the script > than would have been just to do the manual edit. > > Anyone know an easy way to change all of these files? It is going to have > to involve some reg-exp because the variable is sender = owner-listname > which needs to be changed to listname-owner. > > The regexp manuevering isn't really a problem, I have something that will > do that actually. The place where I usually run into problems is the > gathering of filenames and then the interaction with those files... > > so anyone got a quick answer to this problem? > > ____________________________ > Mike Neuharth > ADCS Technology Specialist > http://www.umn.edu/adcs > > E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu > Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com > http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ > ____________________________ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Fri Sep 15 10:04:43 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21312] simap/imap 2000? In-Reply-To: <20000915071201.A27400@knicknack.net> Message-ID: Hi, On Fri, 15 Sep 2000 barnabas@knicknack.net wrote: > Is the storage pointed to by tmp large enough to hold the resulting > string? I assume so, since "/var/spool/mail/username" is _longer_ than "/home/username/Mailbox". -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From trammell at nitz.hep.umn.edu Fri Sep 15 03:01:31 2000 From: trammell at nitz.hep.umn.edu (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21324] Probably an easy sh/perl question... Message-ID: <200009150801.DAA15534@nitz.hep.umn.edu> > Anyone know an easy way to change all of these files? It is going to have > to involve some reg-exp because the variable is sender = owner-listname > which needs to be changed to listname-owner. How about something like: perl -pi.bak -e 's/(\w+)\s*=\s*(\w+)-(\w+)$/$1 = $3-$2/' --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From john1536 at tc.umn.edu Fri Sep 15 10:33:47 2000 From: john1536 at tc.umn.edu (Troy A. Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21324] Probably an easy sh/perl question... References: <200009150801.DAA15534@nitz.hep.umn.edu> Message-ID: <39C2415B.EAABA4C2@tc.umn.edu> "John J. Trammell" wrote: > > > Anyone know an easy way to change all of these files? It is going to have > > to involve some reg-exp because the variable is sender = owner-listname > > which needs to be changed to listname-owner. > > How about something like: > > perl -pi.bak -e 's/(\w+)\s*=\s*(\w+)-(\w+)$/$1 = $3-$2/' > Oh, don't make him do that! He doesn't think in Perl yet. ;-) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From bob at math.umn.edu Fri Sep 15 10:38:48 2000 From: bob at math.umn.edu (bob@math.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21324] Probably an easy sh/perl question... In-Reply-To: <39C2415B.EAABA4C2@tc.umn.edu> from "Troy A. Johnson" at "Sep 15, 2000 10:33:47 am" Message-ID: <20000915153848.746.qmail@khusro.math.umn.edu> Troy A. Johnson allegedly wrote: > "John J. Trammell" wrote: > > > > > Anyone know an easy way to change all of these files? It is going to have > > > to involve some reg-exp because the variable is sender = owner-listname > > > which needs to be changed to listname-owner. > > > > How about something like: > > > > perl -pi.bak -e 's/(\w+)\s*=\s*(\w+)-(\w+)$/$1 = $3-$2/' > > > > Oh, don't make him do that! He doesn't think in Perl yet. ;-) LOL! No, sed is the better option. ;^l Adios, Chris -- C.S. Cornuelle School of Mathematics/MCIM, University of Minnesota 206 Church St. SE, Minneapolis, MN 55455 (612) 626-8930v, (612) 624-2333f, bob at math.umn.edu Ferventer Vestite --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mjn at umn.edu Fri Sep 15 10:41:48 2000 From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21324] Probably an easy sh/perl question... In-Reply-To: <39C2415B.EAABA4C2@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: > > How about something like: > > > > perl -pi.bak -e 's/(\w+)\s*=\s*(\w+)-(\w+)$/$1 = $3-$2/' > > > > Oh, don't make him do that! He doesn't think in Perl yet. ;-) > Ahoy matties! This worked like a charm! Danke mucho to everyone who replied. ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ ____________________________ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From john1536 at tc.umn.edu Fri Sep 15 10:52:10 2000 From: john1536 at tc.umn.edu (Troy A. Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21324] Probably an easy sh/perl question... References: Message-ID: <39C245AA.EA693A99@tc.umn.edu> mjn wrote: > > > How about something like: > > > > > > perl -pi.bak -e 's/(\w+)\s*=\s*(\w+)-(\w+)$/$1 = $3-$2/' > > > > > Oh, don't make him do that! He doesn't think in Perl yet. ;-) > > > Ahoy matties! This worked like a charm! Danke mucho to everyone who > replied. > Well then, in case this looks like line noise to some, here is my "Count Dorkula"* web page on the subject: http://www.tc.umn.edu/~john1536/prog/perl/perl_pie.html Have a great day, Troy * I sometimes make web pages for items I learn that I might not apply in the near future (and so forget). I should have known better because I use this all the time now, but it is a nice and easy reference for when my brain takes a vacation day (and I can't). --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From fdickinson at morganhunter.com Fri Sep 15 11:21:38 2000 From: fdickinson at morganhunter.com (Forrest Dickinson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21335] I am running a dual processor system Message-ID: <39C24C92.AC990E1E@morganhunter.com> I am running a dual processor system with Caldera Openserver 2.3 kernel version 2.14 smp. How do I know if linux is using both processors? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From wilson at visi.com Fri Sep 15 11:21:17 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21335] I am running a dual processor system In-Reply-To: <39C24C92.AC990E1E@morganhunter.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, Forrest Dickinson wrote: > I am running a dual processor system with Caldera Openserver 2.3 kernel > version 2.14 smp. How do I know if linux is using both processors? I think you can 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Fri Sep 15 15:02:00 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21335] I am running a dual processor system References: Message-ID: <39C28038.4131A4F4@tcfreenet.org> Timothy Wilson wrote: > > On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, Forrest Dickinson wrote: > > > I am running a dual processor system with Caldera Openserver 2.3 kernel > > version 2.14 smp. How do I know if linux is using both processors? > > I think you can 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' Or use fbdev and watch for two penguins. ;) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From esper at sherohman.org Fri Sep 15 15:33:48 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21338] TCLUG-devel list Message-ID: Is the devel list actually functional? After it was first mentioned yesterday, I managed to subscribe (and I received the welcome message), but I haven't received any messages from that list yet - not even the one that I sent late this morning. Given that this list sends my own submissions back in short order, this would seem to indicate that the devel list is either down or configured differently. Anyone know which? -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Fri Sep 15 15:35:18 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:21339] Re: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21338] TCLUG-devel list In-Reply-To: ; from esper@sherohman.org on Fri, Sep 15, 2000 at 03:33:48PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20000915153518.A31421@real-time.com> Quoting Dave Sherohman (esper@sherohman.org): > Is the devel list actually functional? After it was first mentioned > yesterday, I managed to subscribe (and I received the welcome message), but I > haven't received any messages from that list yet - not even the one that I > sent late this morning. > > Given that this list sends my own submissions back in short order, this would > seem to indicate that the devel list is either down or configured > differently. Anyone know which? > Yep, it's active. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jon.erickson at neicoltech.org Fri Sep 15 15:50:39 2000 From: jon.erickson at neicoltech.org (Jonathan Erickson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21340] Root password Message-ID: <39c28beb.1577f.0@skypoint.com> Yesterday when I tried to log in as root on my linux box and it rejected my password. I also tried to log in using a normal user account and that didn't work either. I tried both accounts mulitiple times. Strange thing is, I know that both passwords were correct. The box isn't networked so I don't think I was hacked. I have tried many ways to get in but to no avail. Single user mode requires the root password. I've also downloaded mu-linux which is a mini-distro of linux that fits on a 1.44Mb floppy (which is very cool by the way) and tried to mount my root partition which didn't work either. I used the following command with no luck: mount -t ext2 /dev/hda2 /mnt Error message said that it couldn't find a valid ext2 partition on that device and something about a bad superblock. I tried to mount all my partitions this way, thinking that maybe it was on a different device but that didn't work either. I'm kinda stuck right now, any suggestions would be appreciated --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From esper at sherohman.org Fri Sep 15 15:54:10 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21340] Root password In-Reply-To: <39c28beb.1577f.0@skypoint.com> from Jonathan Erickson at "Sep 15, 2000 03:50:39 pm" Message-ID: Jonathan Erickson said: > I have tried many ways to get in but to no avail. Single user mode requires > the root password. Easy enough to bypass: Instead of linux single at the LILO prompt (or wherever), try linux init=/bin/bash -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jon.erickson at neicoltech.org Fri Sep 15 16:19:44 2000 From: jon.erickson at neicoltech.org (Jon Erickson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:21340] Root password In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000101c01f5a$aade7fc0$2b02a8c0@neicoltech.org> > Easy enough to bypass: > > Instead of > > linux single > > at the LILO prompt (or wherever), try > > linux init=/bin/bash Thanks, that got me in but the filesystem is read-only so I cannot change the password or setuid root to the bash shell. I am hacking away at it but any other suggestions would be a appreciated. Jon Erickson --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Fri Sep 15 16:25:40 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:21340] Root password In-Reply-To: <000101c01f5a$aade7fc0$2b02a8c0@neicoltech.org> Message-ID: Hi, On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, Jon Erickson wrote: > Thanks, that got me in but the filesystem is read-only so I cannot change > the password or setuid root to the bash shell. I am hacking away at it but > any other suggestions would be a appreciated. mount -o remount -o rw / And before rebooting: mount -o remount -o ro / -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jon.erickson at neicoltech.org Fri Sep 15 16:33:04 2000 From: jon.erickson at neicoltech.org (Jon Erickson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:21340] Root password In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c01f5c$88413140$2b02a8c0@neicoltech.org> > -----Original Message----- > From: Yaron [mailto:jethro@freakzilla.com] > Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 4:26 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: RE: [TCLUG:21340] Root password > > > Hi, > > On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, Jon Erickson wrote: > > > Thanks, that got me in but the filesystem is read-only so I > cannot change > > the password or setuid root to the bash shell. I am hacking > away at it but > > any other suggestions would be a appreciated. > > mount -o remount -o rw / > > > And before rebooting: > > mount -o remount -o ro / > > > -Yaron Thank you very much, that worked :() Jon Erickson --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tobytoo at black-hole.com Fri Sep 15 17:25:16 2000 From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (Brian T) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21335] I am running a dual processor system References: Message-ID: <39C2A1CC.AE596B6A@black-hole.com> If you want a real easy way, go to your KMenu, like the start menu in win, go up to system and choose task manager and choose performance meter. This will let you watch what each processor is doing. You don't get all the info cat but it's kinda fun to watch how the system uses resorces. Timothy Wilson wrote: > > On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, Forrest Dickinson wrote: > > > I am running a dual processor system with Caldera Openserver 2.3 kernel > > version 2.14 smp. How do I know if linux is using both processors? > > I think you can 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blayer at uswest.net Fri Sep 15 18:58:25 2000 From: blayer at uswest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21346] Filesystem troubles under 2.4.0-test7 In-Reply-To: <000001c01f5c$88413140$2b02a8c0@neicoltech.org> References: <000001c01f5c$88413140$2b02a8c0@neicoltech.org> Message-ID: <00091519012801.00155@homer> Hello, I've found a couple of problems (I think) in 2.4.0-test7 relating to filessystem types. Here's what I've got: 1) I cannot find any support for the HFS file system. It seems to have been ommitted. 2) Anytime I try to build a kernel that has UMSDOS included as built-in (Y) the kernel will not compile. Bombs 100% of the time, anytime UMSDOS is included. Any thoughts ladies & gents? -- -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net Fri Sep 15 23:17:08 2000 From: jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21347] sendmail question Message-ID: Here's the deal, I've got a firewall with a real IP and domain name, eggplant.mtu.net, forwarding all SMTP traffic to an internal mailserver, non-routable IP, disk.mn.mtu.net. If I send messages through my internal mailserver the messages look like they're from disk.mn.mtu.net and I want them to look like they're from eggplant.mtu.net because outside mailservers can't do a lookup on disk.mn.mtu.net, non-routable IP. I've tried setting DMeggplant.mtu.net in the sendmail.cf file and that just modifies the message, not the envelope. If I tell disk.mn.mtu.net that it's hostname is eggplant.mtu.net, everything seems to work ok, but I'm thinking that a network with two machines believing they're the same name is not a good idea. I don't really want to regenerate my sendmail.cf from m4 because I'm not sure I can. Don't know which one I started with 5 years ago, although it might not matter. Any ideas? Yes I checked out http://www.sendmail.org and the sendmail docs and they all talk about regenerating the sendmail.cf through m4. No I'm not going to use qmail right now unless someone can point me at explicit directions, I tend to need them sometimes, at how to set it up so that it works like a mostly default sendmail config, with the above fix. -- Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From natecars at infiniteloop.com Sat Sep 16 05:50:46 2000 From: natecars at infiniteloop.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21346] Filesystem troubles under 2.4.0-test7 In-Reply-To: <00091519012801.00155@homer> Message-ID: On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, Bill Layer wrote: > I've found a couple of problems (I think) in 2.4.0-test7 relating to > filessystem types. Here's what I've got: > > 1) I cannot find any support for the HFS file system. It seems to have been > ommitted. > > 2) Anytime I try to build a kernel that has UMSDOS included as built-in (Y) the > kernel will not compile. Bombs 100% of the time, anytime UMSDOS is included. > > Any thoughts ladies & gents? (1) It's there; under file systems.. you do need experimental turned on. (support for developmental drivers) (2) What are the compiler errors that are returned? Hard to give you an answer without any more information.. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- | nate carlson | natecars@infiniteloop.com | | brainbench mvp for linux admin -- http://www.brainbench.com | ---------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mjj55409 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 16 16:44:05 2000 From: mjj55409 at yahoo.com (Michael Josephson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21349] vim help Message-ID: <20000916164405.A19043@caliban> I've been using vim for my programming editor, and I must say, I really like it. So I'm also using it as my editor inside of mutt (set editor="vim -c 'set nonu' -c 'set wrapmargin=76'". Well, it is with the wrapmargin setting that I'm having difficulty. If I specify a wrapmargin, and if set wrap is on, then when I'm composing a message, it wraps at every word. Something like this. Any vim gurus out there with some ideas? thanks, mj -- --------------------------------- Michael Josephson Software Developer Navicare Systems, Inc. www.navicare.com Email: mjosephson@navicare.com mjj55409@yahoo.com --------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mjj55409 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 16 20:42:21 2000 From: mjj55409 at yahoo.com (Michael Josephson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21350] startx -- No Authority Message-ID: <20000916204221.A20160@caliban> When I execute startx as a non-root user, I get the message "X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting." But I can't find any reference anywhere to what authorization I need to set, add, whatever. ?? thanks, mj -- --------------------------------- | Michael Josephson | | Software Developer | | Navicare Systems, Inc. | | www.navicare.com | | | | Email: mjosephson@navicare.com | | mjj55409@yahoo.com | --------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From pope at ossuary.net Sat Sep 16 20:54:01 2000 From: pope at ossuary.net (Scott) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21350] startx -- No Authority In-Reply-To: <20000916204221.A20160@caliban> Message-ID: Sounds like a permission error on the x server. Make sure that it's world executable, or make yourself a member of whatever group it's in. Scott -- ossuary.net -- "Only dead girls like me." -Voltaire --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Sat Sep 16 21:05:52 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21346] Filesystem troubles under 2.4.0-test7 References: <000001c01f5c$88413140$2b02a8c0@neicoltech.org> <00091519012801.00155@homer> Message-ID: <39C42700.47E7507C@tcfreenet.org> > I've found a couple of problems (I think) in 2.4.0-test7 relating to > filessystem types. Here's what I've got: > > 1) I cannot find any support for the HFS file system. It seems to have been > ommitted. 2.3/2.4 uses a new unified cache, which required major rewrites to all filesystems. HFS might not have been ported yet... > 2) Anytime I try to build a kernel that has UMSDOS included as built-in (Y) the > kernel will not compile. Bombs 100% of the time, anytime UMSDOS is included. Likewise. Are you saying it works as a module? UMSDOS seems to be mostly unmaintained lately. When are we going to get vfat support? ;P --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net Sun Sep 17 08:34:36 2000 From: jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21353] multi session CDs Message-ID: I've read the docs on multi session cds and I've given it a try and it didn't appear to work so I'm looking for some suggestions on how to debug it. I have a CD that I wrote the first session like so: mkisofs -r -v -l -o ~jpschewe/temp/file.iso /mnt/cdrom/ cdrecord -v speed=4 dev=0,2,0 -multi -data ~jpschewe/temp/file.iso I've been using this cd for quite some time and I decided yesterday to try and fill more of it. So I created another image using the commands from README.multi from cdrecord: mkisofs -r -v -l -M /dev/scd0 -C `cdrecord -msinfo dev=0,2,0` -o ~jpschewe/temp/file.iso /mnt/cdrom/ Doing this I get errors that /rr_moved/text and /rr_moved/text have the same Rock Ridge name so that fails. I didn't find anything on the net to explain how to fix this, so I play around with options and eventually find the option -no-rr Do not use the Rock Ridge attributes from previous sessions. This may help to avoid getting into trouble when mkisofs finds illegal Rock Ridge sig- natures on an old session. This looks promising, so I add it to the above command and it works. I then do: cdrecord -v speed=4 dev=0,2,0 -multi -data ~jpschewe/temp/file.iso and that works. I mount the CD and the new data isn't there. I run cdrecord -msinfo dev=0,2,0 and I get new numbers that look correct, the first matches the last I got before writing the CD. So is Linux just confused? My configuration, if it matters. 2.2.16 SMP, PlexWriter RW 4/2/20 and Fireport 40 SCSI card. Any help would be appreciated. -- Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net Sun Sep 17 09:00:25 2000 From: jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21353] multi session CDs In-Reply-To: Jon Schewe's message of "17 Sep 2000 08:34:36 -0500" References: Message-ID: I know it's bad to do my own follow up, but I just tried the CD again, waiting overnight with the cd umounted and it's fine now, I see the second session. Sorry for the wasted bandwidth. -- Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blayer at uswest.net Sun Sep 17 11:29:12 2000 From: blayer at uswest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21346] Filesystem troubles under 2.4.0-test7 In-Reply-To: <39C42700.47E7507C@tcfreenet.org> References: <000001c01f5c$88413140$2b02a8c0@neicoltech.org> <00091519012801.00155@homer> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20000917112717.00a93e60@pop.mpls.uswest.net> Hi, I guess I should have elaborated a bit further... >Likewise. Are you saying it works as a module? UMSDOS seems to be mostly >unmaintained lately. I don't recall if I tried it as a module or not. I try not to use modular kernels, so I don't normally consider that option. >When are we going to get vfat support? ;P Eh? There's vfat in 2.2.x afaik.. and in 2.4.x. Are you pulling my leg? :) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu Sun Sep 17 12:05:09 2000 From: lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu (Ben Luey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21356] line break in sed Message-ID: I've a long one line text file formated like: name1, name2, name3, ....... name9999 I want to format it like: name1 name2 name3 .... name9999 I was thinking of doing: sed \s\, \linebreak\g But I don't know how to insert a line break -- I've tried \n, but no luck. The name page talks aobut / but that was treated as text. Thanks, Ben --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Sun Sep 17 13:37:05 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21356] line break in sed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: cat file | sed s/,/\n/ you may need to add a g to make it global through the line. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Sun, 17 Sep 2000, Ben Luey wrote: > I've a long one line text file formated like: > > name1, name2, name3, ....... name9999 > > I want to format it like: > > name1 > name2 > name3 > .... > name9999 > > > I was thinking of doing: > > sed \s\, \linebreak\g > > But I don't know how to insert a line break -- I've tried \n, but no luck. > The name page talks aobut / but that was treated as text. > > > Thanks, > > Ben > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mjj55409 at yahoo.com Sun Sep 17 13:48:47 2000 From: mjj55409 at yahoo.com (Michael Josephson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21350] startx -- No Authority In-Reply-To: ; from pope@ossuary.net on Sat, Sep 16, 2000 at 08:54:01PM -0500 References: <20000916204221.A20160@caliban> Message-ID: <20000917134847.A23993@caliban> No, it is not a permissions problem startx executes fine...it sounds like the message is coming from x itself: "X: user has no authority to run X server". On Sat, Sep 16, 2000 at 08:54:01PM -0500, Scott wrote: > Sounds like a permission error on the x server. Make sure that > it's world executable, or make yourself a member of whatever group > it's in. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From wilson at visi.com Sun Sep 17 14:11:41 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21350] startx -- No Authority In-Reply-To: <20000916204221.A20160@caliban> Message-ID: On Sat, 16 Sep 2000, Michael Josephson wrote: > When I execute startx as a non-root user, I get the message "X: user not > authorized to run the X server, aborting." But I can't find any reference > anywhere to what authorization I need to set, add, whatever. ?? I'll bet you're using Mandrake. Add yourself to the 'xgrp' in /etc/group and all will be well. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mjj55409 at yahoo.com Sun Sep 17 14:21:36 2000 From: mjj55409 at yahoo.com (Michael Josephson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21350] startx -- No Authority In-Reply-To: ; from wilson@visi.com on Sun, Sep 17, 2000 at 02:11:41PM -0500 References: <20000916204221.A20160@caliban> Message-ID: <20000917142136.A405@caliban> > I'll bet you're using Mandrake. Add yourself to the 'xgrp' in /etc/group and > all will be well. Nope, I'm using Debian. Just checked, there is no xgrp group. Funny thing is I first installed Debian a few weeks ago. I didn't have this problem then. I just reinstalled a couple of days ago, and now I can't run X. Clearly, I have installed/setup something correctly, but I can't figure out what. Michael --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From wilson at visi.com Sun Sep 17 14:27:08 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21350] startx -- No Authority In-Reply-To: <20000917142136.A405@caliban> Message-ID: On Sun, 17 Sep 2000, Michael Josephson wrote: > > I'll bet you're using Mandrake. Add yourself to the 'xgrp' in /etc/group and > > all will be well. > > Nope, I'm using Debian. Just checked, there is no xgrp group. Funny thing is > I first installed Debian a few weeks ago. I didn't have this problem then. I > just reinstalled a couple of days ago, and now I can't run X. Clearly, I > have installed/setup something correctly, but I can't figure out what. OK, strike #1. Here's another shot. Did you install X via dselect? If so, did you choose 'task-x-window-system'? That should make sure that you get all of the required components, libraries, etc. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at usinternet.com Sun Sep 17 14:42:31 2000 From: blutgens at usinternet.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21350] startx -- No Authority In-Reply-To: <20000917142136.A405@caliban>; from mjj55409@yahoo.com on Sun, Sep 17, 2000 at 02:21:36PM -0500 References: <20000916204221.A20160@caliban> <20000917142136.A405@caliban> Message-ID: <20000917144231.A31828@ares.usinternet.com> On Sun, Sep 17, 2000 at 02:21:36PM -0500, Michael Josephson wrote: >> I'll bet you're using Mandrake. Add yourself to the 'xgrp' in /etc/group and >> all will be well. > >Nope, I'm using Debian. Just checked, there is no xgrp group. Funny thing is >I first installed Debian a few weeks ago. I didn't have this problem then. I >just reinstalled a couple of days ago, and now I can't run X. Clearly, I >have installed/setup something correctly, but I can't figure out what. > By default users can't startx. Use gdm or xdm or much around in /etc/X11 -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mjj55409 at yahoo.com Sun Sep 17 14:45:55 2000 From: mjj55409 at yahoo.com (Michael Josephson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21350] startx -- No Authority In-Reply-To: ; from wilson@visi.com on Sun, Sep 17, 2000 at 02:27:08PM -0500 References: <20000917142136.A405@caliban> Message-ID: <20000917144555.A1027@caliban> On Sun, Sep 17, 2000 at 02:27:08PM -0500, Timothy Wilson wrote: > On Sun, 17 Sep 2000, Michael Josephson wrote: > > > > I'll bet you're using Mandrake. Add yourself to the 'xgrp' in /etc/group and > > > all will be well. > > > > Nope, I'm using Debian. Just checked, there is no xgrp group. Funny thing is > > I first installed Debian a few weeks ago. I didn't have this problem then. I > > just reinstalled a couple of days ago, and now I can't run X. Clearly, I > > have installed/setup something correctly, but I can't figure out what. > > OK, strike #1. Here's another shot. Did you install X via dselect? If so, > did you choose 'task-x-window-system'? That should make sure that you get > all of the required components, libraries, etc. > Let me clarify, I can run startx as root, but not as a "normal" user. X starts up fine as root, so I don't think I'm missing any major components. Michael --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mjj55409 at yahoo.com Sun Sep 17 14:56:39 2000 From: mjj55409 at yahoo.com (Michael Josephson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21350] startx -- No Authority In-Reply-To: <20000917144231.A31828@ares.usinternet.com>; from blutgens@usinternet.com on Sun, Sep 17, 2000 at 02:42:31PM -0500 References: <20000916204221.A20160@caliban> <20000917142136.A405@caliban> <20000917144231.A31828@ares.usinternet.com> Message-ID: <20000917145639.B1027@caliban> On Sun, Sep 17, 2000 at 02:42:31PM -0500, Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Sun, Sep 17, 2000 at 02:21:36PM -0500, Michael Josephson wrote: > >> I'll bet you're using Mandrake. Add yourself to the 'xgrp' in /etc/group and > >> all will be well. > > > >Nope, I'm using Debian. Just checked, there is no xgrp group. Funny thing is > >I first installed Debian a few weeks ago. I didn't have this problem then. I > >just reinstalled a couple of days ago, and now I can't run X. Clearly, I > >have installed/setup something correctly, but I can't figure out what. > > > By default users can't startx. Use gdm or xdm or much around in /etc/X11 Bingo. There was a bunch of garbage text in /etc/X11/Xserver. Who knows how it got there. Deleted it, added "Console" as the second line. And it works. Now, I just need to investigate why my mouse isn't working :) Michael --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us Sun Sep 17 15:29:13 2000 From: jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us (Jim Kaufman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21349] vim help In-Reply-To: <20000916164405.A19043@caliban>; from mjj55409@yahoo.com on Sat, Sep 16, 2000 at 04:44:05PM -0500 References: <20000916164405.A19043@caliban> Message-ID: <20000917152913.A12479@kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> Try adding this: set tw=80 [or set textwidth=80, depending on your verbosity] That will set the line width to 80 columns, but will wrap at 76 with your wrapmargin setting. On Sat, Sep 16, 2000 at 04:44:05PM -0500, Michael Josephson wrote: > I've been using vim for my programming editor, and I must say, I really > like it. So I'm also using it as my editor inside of mutt (set > editor="vim -c 'set nonu' -c 'set wrapmargin=76'". Well, it is with the > wrapmargin setting that I'm having difficulty. If I specify a wrapmargin, > and if set wrap is on, then when I'm composing a message, it wraps at every > word. > > Something > like > this. > > Any vim gurus out there with some ideas? > > thanks, mj > -- > --------------------------------- > Michael Josephson > Software Developer > Navicare Systems, Inc. > www.navicare.com > > Email: mjosephson@navicare.com > mjj55409@yahoo.com > --------------------------------- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Jim Kaufman mailto:jmk@jamesk.swdata.com Linux Consultant, CCNA Eden Prairie, MN 55346 home: 952-934-4851 fax: 952-937-9832 --- "Hey, Rocky! Watch me pull some intelligence out of the Internet!" "But that trick never works!" -- Unknown --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cfandre at maddog.mn-linux.org Sun Sep 17 16:10:52 2000 From: cfandre at maddog.mn-linux.org (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21366] Raidtools2 on debian Message-ID: <39C5335C.69242E88@maddog.mn-linux.org> Anyone using raidtools2 on debian woody (sparc)? I am trying to install it and get the following error: # apt-get install raidtools2 Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done The following NEW packages will be installed: raidtools2 0 packages upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 8 not upgraded. Need to get 0B/140kB of archives. After unpacking 430kB will be used. (Reading database ... 15225 files and directories currently installed.) Unpacking raidtools2 (from .../raidtools2_0.90.990824-5_sparc.deb) ... grep: /proc/mdstat: No such file or directory It looks like you aren't running a kernel with the correct RAID patch applied. This package needs alpha RAID drivers, which aren't included in the stock kernel. You can find kernel patches for this from ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/raid/alpha Please use the older raidtools package if you want to run raid with the stock kernels. If you believe have applied the correct patch you can touch /etc/raidtab and this package will smoothly install. Press Enter to continue... dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/raidtools2_0.90.990824-5_sparc.deb (--unpack): subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 1 Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/raidtools2_0.90.990824-5_sparc.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) # Anyone know what this means? I am running 2.4-test8 kernel, which I thought had support build-in. And why is the package so old? Is there a different package I should be using? I am trying to mirror a couple of drives I have. Clay --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Sun Sep 17 16:38:40 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21346] Filesystem troubles under 2.4.0-test7 References: <000001c01f5c$88413140$2b02a8c0@neicoltech.org> <00091519012801.00155@homer> <4.3.2.7.0.20000917112717.00a93e60@pop.mpls.uswest.net> Message-ID: <39C539E0.96FEEBFD@tcfreenet.org> > >Likewise. Are you saying it works as a module? UMSDOS seems to be mostly > >unmaintained lately. > > I don't recall if I tried it as a module or not. I try not to use modular > kernels, so I don't normally consider that option. Well if it doesn't work as a module then I'd say its just plain broken. > >When are we going to get vfat support? ;P > > Eh? There's vfat in 2.2.x afaik.. and in 2.4.x. Are you pulling my leg? :) Last I tried (2.2.14ish) mounting a vfat FS as umsdos lost all the long filenames. Having umsdos and vfat long filenames maintained simultaniously would really be handy. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From labmat at earthlink.net Sun Sep 17 17:01:25 2000 From: labmat at earthlink.net (Matthew LaBerge) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21368] ATX Power supply always on Message-ID: I've had a computer in my car for some time now and was wondering if anyone knew it was possible to make an atx power supply turn it's self on when AC power is supplied to it, and not look to the motherboard for the signal to turn on. Any help would be appreciated. ______________________ Matthew LaBerge labmat@earthlink.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at usinternet.com Sun Sep 17 17:42:12 2000 From: blutgens at usinternet.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21366] Raidtools2 on debian In-Reply-To: <39C5335C.69242E88@maddog.mn-linux.org>; from cfandre@maddog.mn-linux.org on Sun, Sep 17, 2000 at 04:10:52PM -0500 References: <39C5335C.69242E88@maddog.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <20000917174212.A32454@ares.usinternet.com> On Sun, Sep 17, 2000 at 04:10:52PM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: >Anyone using raidtools2 on debian woody (sparc)? I am trying to install >it and get the following error: You need that patch. I don't think the new md ever made it into the kernel tree. I am only running it on 2.2.16 though. > >Anyone know what this means? I am running 2.4-test8 kernel, which I >thought had support build-in. > >And why is the package so old? Is there a different package I should be >using? I am trying to mirror a couple of drives I have. > You should be able to touch that file and have it install o.k. it's more a means to get you to notice the difference than anything else. -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net Sun Sep 17 18:24:35 2000 From: jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21368] ATX Power supply always on In-Reply-To: "Matthew LaBerge"'s message of "Sun, 17 Sep 2000 17:01:25 -0500" References: Message-ID: "Matthew LaBerge" writes: > I've had a computer in my car for some time now and was wondering if anyone > knew it was possible to make an atx power supply turn it's self on when AC > power is supplied to it, and not look to the motherboard for the signal to > turn on. Any help would be appreciated. Some BIOS's have a setting that allows this. Once it's been turned on if power disappears then comes back it'll turn back on. Really depends on the BIOS though. -- Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Sun Sep 17 19:54:31 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21368] ATX Power supply always on In-Reply-To: ; from jpschewe@eggplant.mtu.net on Sun, Sep 17, 2000 at 06:24:35PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20000917195430.G29148@ringworld.org> The micronics that Zibby got (awwyeah, Socket A, baybee) does this. * Jon Schewe [000917 18:22]: > "Matthew LaBerge" writes: > > > I've had a computer in my car for some time now and was wondering if anyone > > knew it was possible to make an atx power supply turn it's self on when AC > > power is supplied to it, and not look to the motherboard for the signal to > > turn on. 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There's no libXxf86vm or libXxf86dga even though the headers are there, though I do admit these are beta XFree 4.0.1 packages. And above all, they seem to have just plum forgotten the C++ header files across two release versions. Sure, the compiler is there. The library is there. But its kinda useless without the headers. Screw it, my workstation's going to debian. (please, no applause. ;) Mandrake sucks, spread the word. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From drew at usfamily.net Sun Sep 17 20:43:47 2000 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21372] Mandrake sucks. References: <39C56BEC.8A87560F@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <000901c02111$e630eaa0$218be23f@gateway> whoo there I seem to disagree with you. I've been runing mandrake for at least a year and I've never had a problem with it. Maybe you did not get the real copy of mandrake but perhaps some third party give away cd. If thats the case then no wonder you are having troubles. I would me more than glad to burn you a real copy. ----- Original Message ----- From: Callum Lerwick To: Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2000 8:12 PM Subject: [TCLUG:21372] Mandrake sucks. > Alright, I've been on a quest to run every distribution. I've tried a > few, Slakware, RedHat, Debian, they all have their ups and downs, but > never before have I touched a distribution that downright sucked. I > can't get anything to compile right on it, xmms wants libintl but it > doesn't seem to be there. There's no libXxf86vm or libXxf86dga even > though the headers are there, though I do admit these are beta XFree > 4.0.1 packages. And above all, they seem to have just plum forgotten the > C++ header files across two release versions. Sure, the compiler is > there. The library is there. But its kinda useless without the headers. > > Screw it, my workstation's going to debian. (please, no applause. ;) > > Mandrake sucks, spread the word. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Sun Sep 17 21:59:43 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21372] Mandrake sucks. In-Reply-To: <39C56BEC.8A87560F@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: According to the X Files Mandrake is the name of some kind of drug used in abortions (or something similar). Figures. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Sun, 17 Sep 2000, Callum Lerwick wrote: > Alright, I've been on a quest to run every distribution. I've tried a > few, Slakware, RedHat, Debian, they all have their ups and downs, but > never before have I touched a distribution that downright sucked. I > can't get anything to compile right on it, xmms wants libintl but it > doesn't seem to be there. There's no libXxf86vm or libXxf86dga even > though the headers are there, though I do admit these are beta XFree > 4.0.1 packages. And above all, they seem to have just plum forgotten the > C++ header files across two release versions. Sure, the compiler is > there. The library is there. But its kinda useless without the headers. > > Screw it, my workstation's going to debian. (please, no applause. ;) > > Mandrake sucks, spread the word. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Sun Sep 17 22:05:41 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21372] Mandrake sucks. References: <39C56BEC.8A87560F@tcfreenet.org> <000901c02111$e630eaa0$218be23f@gateway> Message-ID: <39C58685.5523646E@tcfreenet.org> Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > > whoo there I seem to disagree with you. I've been runing mandrake for at > least a year and I've never had a problem with it. Maybe you did not get the > real copy of mandrake but perhaps some third party give away cd. If thats > the case then no wonder you are having troubles. I would me more than glad > to burn you a real copy. I got the ISO off of mandrake's download page from 5 different FTP sites. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Sun Sep 17 22:32:01 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21372] Mandrake sucks. In-Reply-To: ; from adamm@sihope.com on Sun, Sep 17, 2000 at 09:59:43PM -0500 References: <39C56BEC.8A87560F@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <20000917223201.H29148@ringworld.org> At least hes not using Slackware, known to power the nations meth labs. :) * Adam Maloney [000917 22:00]: > According to the X Files Mandrake is the name of some kind of drug used in > abortions (or something similar). Figures. > > > Screw it, my workstation's going to debian. (please, no applause. ;) > -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Figures. > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > On Sun, 17 Sep 2000, Callum Lerwick wrote: > > > Alright, I've been on a quest to run every distribution. I've tried a > > few, Slakware, RedHat, Debian, they all have their ups and downs, but > > never before have I touched a distribution that downright sucked. I > > can't get anything to compile right on it, xmms wants libintl but it > > doesn't seem to be there. There's no libXxf86vm or libXxf86dga even > > though the headers are there, though I do admit these are beta XFree > > 4.0.1 packages. And above all, they seem to have just plum forgotten the > > C++ header files across two release versions. Sure, the compiler is > > there. The library is there. But its kinda useless without the headers. > > > > Screw it, my workstation's going to debian. (please, no applause. ;) > > > > Mandrake sucks, spread the word. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Sun Sep 17 22:40:19 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21372] Mandrake sucks. In-Reply-To: <009a01c02121$eb10ad70$0200000a@ix>; from theixian@unrest.cx on Sun, Sep 17, 2000 at 10:38:02PM -0500 References: <009a01c02121$eb10ad70$0200000a@ix> Message-ID: <20000917224018.I29148@ringworld.org> Ahh, I took this as some "National Enquiorer" statement ;) My Bad * The Ixian [000917 22:38]: > yeah I was just watching that one while reading this thread LMAO! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Adam Maloney" > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2000 9:59 PM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21372] Mandrake sucks. > > > > According to the X Files Mandrake is the name of some kind of drug used in > > abortions (or something similar). Figures. > > > > Adam Maloney > > Systems Administrator > > Sihope Communications > > > > On Sun, 17 Sep 2000, Callum Lerwick wrote: > > > > > Alright, I've been on a quest to run every distribution. I've tried a > > > few, Slakware, RedHat, Debian, they all have their ups and downs, but > > > never before have I touched a distribution that downright sucked. I > > > can't get anything to compile right on it, xmms wants libintl but it > > > doesn't seem to be there. There's no libXxf86vm or libXxf86dga even > > > though the headers are there, though I do admit these are beta XFree > > > 4.0.1 packages. And above all, they seem to have just plum forgotten the > > > C++ header files across two release versions. Sure, the compiler is > > > there. The library is there. But its kinda useless without the headers. > > > > > > Screw it, my workstation's going to debian. (please, no applause. ;) > > > > > > Mandrake sucks, spread the word. > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Sun, 17 Sep 2000, Scott Dier wrote: > At least hes not using Slackware, known to power the nations meth labs. > :) > > > * Adam Maloney [000917 22:00]: > > According to the X Files Mandrake is the name of some kind of drug used in > > abortions (or something similar). Figures. > > > > > Screw it, my workstation's going to debian. (please, no applause. ;) > > > > -- > Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet > http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Mon Sep 18 07:13:32 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (Gabe Turner (officer)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21349] vim help In-Reply-To: <20000916164405.A19043@caliban>; from mjj55409@yahoo.com on Sat, Sep 16, 2000 at 04:44:05PM -0500 References: <20000916164405.A19043@caliban> Message-ID: <20000918071332.C20056@sorry.cs.umn.edu> You need to use textwidth=76 instead. IIRC, wrapmargin should be the size of the pad from the _right_ hand side. So, if you want to wrap at 76 chars, set wrapmargin=4. This is how the wm=X setting in vi works and my guess is, it's the same for vim. Gabe On Sat, Sep 16, 2000 at 04:44:05PM -0500, Michael Josephson wrote: > I've been using vim for my programming editor, and I must say, I really > like it. So I'm also using it as my editor inside of mutt (set > editor="vim -c 'set nonu' -c 'set wrapmargin=76'". Well, it is with the > wrapmargin setting that I'm having difficulty. If I specify a wrapmargin, > and if set wrap is on, then when I'm composing a message, it wraps at every > word. > > Something > like > this. > > Any vim gurus out there with some ideas? > > thanks, mj > -- > --------------------------------- > Michael Josephson > Software Developer > Navicare Systems, Inc. > www.navicare.com > > Email: mjosephson@navicare.com > mjj55409@yahoo.com > --------------------------------- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Of all the systems of religion that ever were invented, there is no more derogatory to the Almighty, more unedifiying to man, more repugnant to reason, and more contradictory to itself than this thing called Christianity." - Thomas Paine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From goldman at htc.honeywell.com Mon Sep 18 08:44:29 2000 From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21383] Compatibility question Message-ID: I just saw an ad for an "I/O Magic" Internal CD-RW drive for only $129. Does anyone know if that would be OK with Linux? Or is there some bizarre Windowsness about it? Thanks, Robert --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From foeclan at winternet.com Mon Sep 18 10:20:09 2000 From: foeclan at winternet.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21372] Mandrake sucks. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yes, but were they running Slackware? ;) Michael Vieths (A happy, non-methlab slack user for many years) Foeclan@Winternet.Com On Mon, 18 Sep 2000, Adam Maloney wrote: > Hey, Meth labs are very important to our society. They help perpetuate > natural selection. > > My father is a (land|slum)lord, he came back from vacation last year to > find that one of his apartments was raided by the DEA because one of the > tenants had a meth factory going in his unit. This is about 2 blocks from > where I live. > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > On Sun, 17 Sep 2000, Scott Dier wrote: > > > At least hes not using Slackware, known to power the nations meth labs. > > :) > > > > > > * Adam Maloney [000917 22:00]: > > > According to the X Files Mandrake is the name of some kind of drug used in > > > abortions (or something similar). Figures. > > > > > > > Screw it, my workstation's going to debian. (please, no applause. ;) > > > > > > > -- > > Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet > > http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Mon Sep 18 10:23:25 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21372] Mandrake sucks. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: No, they were selling some really bad fuvg so I think they were running NT. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Mon, 18 Sep 2000, Michael Vieths wrote: > Yes, but were they running Slackware? ;) > > Michael Vieths > (A happy, non-methlab slack user for many years) > Foeclan@Winternet.Com > > On Mon, 18 Sep 2000, Adam Maloney wrote: > > > Hey, Meth labs are very important to our society. They help perpetuate > > natural selection. > > > > My father is a (land|slum)lord, he came back from vacation last year to > > find that one of his apartments was raided by the DEA because one of the > > tenants had a meth factory going in his unit. This is about 2 blocks from > > where I live. > > > > Adam Maloney > > Systems Administrator > > Sihope Communications > > > > On Sun, 17 Sep 2000, Scott Dier wrote: > > > > > At least hes not using Slackware, known to power the nations meth labs. > > > :) > > > > > > > > > * Adam Maloney [000917 22:00]: > > > > According to the X Files Mandrake is the name of some kind of drug used in > > > > abortions (or something similar). Figures. > > > > > > > > > Screw it, my workstation's going to debian. (please, no applause. ;) > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet > > > http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From trammell at nitz.hep.umn.edu Mon Sep 18 03:04:00 2000 From: trammell at nitz.hep.umn.edu (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21372] Mandrake sucks. Message-ID: <200009180804.DAA19371@nitz.hep.umn.edu> Michael Vieths wrote: > On Mon, 18 Sep 2000, Adam Maloney wrote: > >> My father is a (land|slum)lord, he came back from vacation last >> year to find... [snick] > > Yes, but were they running Slackware? ;) No, Debian. $ apt-get update $ apt-get -f install meth-lab-dev --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Mon Sep 18 10:41:54 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21372] Mandrake sucks. In-Reply-To: <000901c02111$e630eaa0$218be23f@gateway> Message-ID: you must be lucky, I too have the same mandrake-suck problems, their use of PGCC is just too unstable for what i'm doing.. i've had the wierdest problems with their libs, and even kernel problems.. like i have a bunch of workstations that telnet to an old DG box.. at random times of inactivity, they just drop the socket.. i re-installed with redhat 6.2 (was mandrake 7) and it works fine. also, the habit of mandrake-soft to put out useless utilities, like mandrake update.. I can't even use it because #1, it's GUI only.. and #2, i have a port 80 firewall and need to use a proxy. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Sun, 17 Sep 2000, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > whoo there I seem to disagree with you. I've been runing mandrake for at > least a year and I've never had a problem with it. Maybe you did not get the > real copy of mandrake but perhaps some third party give away cd. If thats > the case then no wonder you are having troubles. I would me more than glad > to burn you a real copy. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Callum Lerwick > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2000 8:12 PM > Subject: [TCLUG:21372] Mandrake sucks. > > > > Alright, I've been on a quest to run every distribution. I've tried a > > few, Slakware, RedHat, Debian, they all have their ups and downs, but > > never before have I touched a distribution that downright sucked. I > > can't get anything to compile right on it, xmms wants libintl but it > > doesn't seem to be there. There's no libXxf86vm or libXxf86dga even > > though the headers are there, though I do admit these are beta XFree > > 4.0.1 packages. And above all, they seem to have just plum forgotten the > > C++ header files across two release versions. Sure, the compiler is > > there. The library is there. But its kinda useless without the headers. > > > > Screw it, my workstation's going to debian. (please, no applause. ;) > > > > Mandrake sucks, spread the word. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ehillman at cccu.com Mon Sep 18 10:47:38 2000 From: ehillman at cccu.com (Eric Hillman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:21372] Mandrake sucks. In-Reply-To: <009a01c02121$eb10ad70$0200000a@ix> Message-ID: <000801c02187$c5b2b9e0$0162a8c0@cccu.com> > > According to the X Files Mandrake is the name of some kind of drug used in > > abortions (or something similar). Figures. I don't know why they picked the name, but a mandrake is a vaguely man-shaped root, which, according to legend, screams when plucked. As someone who is vaguely man-shaped, root, and doesn't much care for being plucked, I guess it's sort of appropriate. -- Eric Hillman UNIX Sysadmin/Webmaster City & County Credit Union ehillman@cccu.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ehillman at cccu.com Mon Sep 18 10:54:21 2000 From: ehillman at cccu.com (Eric Hillman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21389] MAPS vs. ORBS - opinions? Message-ID: <000901c02188$b5f84730$0162a8c0@cccu.com> I figured it's about time I got on the stick and did some active open-relay blocking. I'm familiar with both of these services, and am aware that there's been some friction between the two in the past, but I'm not exactly sure why. Anybody wanna give me a good reason for choosing one over the other? Should I try to use both? Is there a good third choice? -- Eric Hillman UNIX Sysadmin/Webmaster City & County Credit Union ehillman@cccu.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Mon Sep 18 11:03:51 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (Gabe Turner (officer)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21389] MAPS vs. ORBS - opinions? In-Reply-To: <000901c02188$b5f84730$0162a8c0@cccu.com>; from ehillman@cccu.com on Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 10:54:21AM -0500 References: <000901c02188$b5f84730$0162a8c0@cccu.com> Message-ID: <20000918110351.H20056@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Well, they don't exactly serve the same purpose (well, I guess they do, but they go about it differently). MAPS sets up their RBL by investigating reports about open relays, whereas ORBS actively searches out open relays. Because they go about building their RBL differently, many people decide to use both, or maybe to only block hosts that are in both RBLs. Personally, I think that if you want to be _really_ paranoid and you have a lot of spam problems, then go with both, or maybe just ORBS (at minimum). If you want to allow more legit mail through, and you only want to block known open-relays that hackers actually _use_ (as opposed to blocking every open-relay in existance), go with MAPS. As an admin for a fairly large outfit, I'm sick and tired of seeing ORBS relay attempts in the logs 80 quadrillion times a day. I guess I'm sort of torn between the philosphy of ORBS (block 'em before you getted spammed and MAPS (block 'em once you know you'll get spammed, or have already been spammed). My $.02, Gabe On Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 10:54:21AM -0500, Eric Hillman wrote: > I figured it's about time I got on the stick and did some active open-relay > blocking. I'm familiar with both of these services, and am aware that there's > been some friction between the two in the past, but I'm not exactly sure why. > Anybody wanna give me a good reason for choosing one over the other? Should I > try to use both? Is there a good third choice? > > > -- > Eric Hillman > UNIX Sysadmin/Webmaster > City & County Credit Union > ehillman@cccu.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Of all the systems of religion that ever were invented, there is no more derogatory to the Almighty, more unedifiying to man, more repugnant to reason, and more contradictory to itself than this thing called Christianity." - Thomas Paine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Mon Sep 18 11:06:24 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21389] MAPS vs. ORBS - opinions? In-Reply-To: <000901c02188$b5f84730$0162a8c0@cccu.com> Message-ID: For truly anal spam blocking you could use both services. I don't use orbs because I don't approve of the way they scan for open relays actively, instead of the more passive means that MAPS uses (i.e. only abused relays are nominated). I also think that MAPS has been much more consistent in how/who/why they add to the blacklist. But there's nothing wrong with running both services - I just don't run ORBS because I disagree with how they do some things. It can still offer protection to supplement the MAPS RBL. It's like buying dolphin safe tuna or non dolphin safe tuna - you get tuna either way, just one company kills Flipper and the other claims they don't. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Mon, 18 Sep 2000, Eric Hillman wrote: > I figured it's about time I got on the stick and did some active open-relay > blocking. I'm familiar with both of these services, and am aware that there's > been some friction between the two in the past, but I'm not exactly sure why. > Anybody wanna give me a good reason for choosing one over the other? Should I > try to use both? Is there a good third choice? > > > -- > Eric Hillman > UNIX Sysadmin/Webmaster > City & County Credit Union > ehillman@cccu.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From esper at sherohman.org Mon Sep 18 11:18:51 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21389] MAPS vs. ORBS - opinions? In-Reply-To: <20000918110351.H20056@sorry.cs.umn.edu> from "Gabe Turner (officer)" at "Sep 18, 2000 11:03:51 am" Message-ID: Gabe Turner (officer) said: > Well, they don't exactly serve the same purpose (well, I guess they do, but > they go about it differently). MAPS sets up their RBL by investigating > reports about open relays, whereas ORBS actively searches out open relays. What's the basis of this statement? According to www.orbs.org, Your server was most likely to have been reported to us because someone received junkmail via it and asked us to check it. However, this may not have happened. Someone may have just received annoying mail and asked ORBS to test the server, some people hunt for open relays to report to ORBS and while we wish they wouldn't, it's hard to stop them. In any case, we tested your server and found that it did indeed have this problem, so we added it to our database. Why it was reported isn't really important - if it's an open relay, spammers will eventually find and abuse it, so it's better to get the server fixed before that happens. Elsewhere on the site, I got the impression that the primary difference is that MAPS will remove servers when the admin says he's fixing it, while ORBS waits until they can verify that it actually has been fixed. In any case, using both is trivial if exim is your MTA. I couldn't comment on sendmail or qmail. -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Mon Sep 18 11:31:43 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (Gabe Turner (officer)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21389] MAPS vs. ORBS - opinions? In-Reply-To: ; from esper@sherohman.org on Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 11:18:51AM -0500 References: <20000918110351.H20056@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20000918113143.I20056@sorry.cs.umn.edu> > > What's the basis of this statement? According to www.orbs.org, > > Your server was most likely to have been reported to us > because someone received junkmail via it and asked us to > check it. However, this may not have happened. Someone > may have just received annoying mail and asked ORBS to test > the server, some people hunt for open relays to report to > ORBS and while we wish they wouldn't, it's hard to stop > them. In any case, we tested your server and found that > it did indeed have this problem, so we added it to our > database. Why it was reported isn't really important - > if it's an open relay, spammers will eventually find and > abuse it, so it's better to get the server fixed before > that happens. I know that's what it says, but in my experience, ORBS walks through my seubnet, IP by IP, and checks for open-relays. About 2 IPs a day, I'd say. Now, I'm on a UMN subnet, and since every University has had many open-relays in the past, I'm sure they're checking everyone. So, ORBS is checking every umn.edu IP and actively searching for open-relays. I don't claim that they search every IP in the world, but they don't just look at machines that have previously had open-relays. They'll find a domain that has had an open-relay and scan everything in that domain. This is just my personal experience, and you don't need to believe me if you don't want to. > > Elsewhere on the site, I got the impression that the primary difference is > that MAPS will remove servers when the admin says he's fixing it, while ORBS > waits until they can verify that it actually has been fixed. I think ORBS chooses the better path here. Many people would say "oh yeah, we'll fix it" and then do nothing because they're lazy. Kudos to ORBS for checking up on them. > > In any case, using both is trivial if exim is your MTA. I couldn't comment > on sendmail or qmail. It's simple with sendmail as well. Add the following to your sendmail.mc and rebuild your sendmail.cf: FEATURE(dnsbl,`rbl.maps.vix.com',` Mail from open-relay $&{client_addr} rejected by rbl.') FEATURE(dnsbl,`relays.mail-abuse.org',` Mail from open-relay $&{client_addr} rejected by rss.') FEATURE(dnsbl,`dul.maps.vix.com') Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Of all the systems of religion that ever were invented, there is no more derogatory to the Almighty, more unedifiying to man, more repugnant to reason, and more contradictory to itself than this thing called Christianity." - Thomas Paine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jrsmit2 at uswest.com Mon Sep 18 11:33:28 2000 From: jrsmit2 at uswest.com (jrsmit2@uswest.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:21372] Mandrake sucks. Message-ID: > > According to the X Files Mandrake is the name of some kind of drug used in > > abortions (or something similar). Figures. Am I the only person who can't help thinking of mixing Mandrake Root with various other reagents such as Nightshade and Spider Silk? It's also a little Dragon, and the name of the greatest comedic work of Niccolo Machiavelli. Jer Smith --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Mon Sep 18 11:37:51 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (Gabe Turner (officer)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21389] MAPS vs. ORBS - opinions? In-Reply-To: <20000918113143.I20056@sorry.cs.umn.edu>; from dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu on Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 11:31:43AM -0500 References: <20000918110351.H20056@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <20000918113143.I20056@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20000918113751.J20056@sorry.cs.umn.edu> > > It's simple with sendmail as well. Add the following to your sendmail.mc > and rebuild your sendmail.cf: > > FEATURE(dnsbl,`rbl.maps.vix.com',` Mail from open-relay $&{client_addr} rejected by rbl.') > FEATURE(dnsbl,`relays.mail-abuse.org',` Mail from open-relay $&{client_addr} rejected by rss.') > FEATURE(dnsbl,`dul.maps.vix.com') This is just for MAPS, btw. Just add similar lines for the ORBS RBL servers if you're going to use both. Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "My collection of rare, eencurebale diseases! Violated!" - Ren Hoek in "Sven Hoek" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Rodney.Ray at childrenshc.org Mon Sep 18 11:34:51 2000 From: Rodney.Ray at childrenshc.org (Rodney Ray) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:21372] Mandrake sucks. Message-ID: This is off the computer part of the subject but if you want to know what Mandrake is, here is a good page http://emandrake.org >>> jrsmit2@uswest.com 9/18/00 11:33:28 AM >>> > > According to the X Files Mandrake is the name of some kind of drug used in > > abortions (or something similar). Figures. Am I the only person who can't help thinking of mixing Mandrake Root with various other reagents such as Nightshade and Spider Silk? It's also a little Dragon, and the name of the greatest comedic work of Niccolo Machiavelli. Jer Smith --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Mon Sep 18 11:38:58 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21349] vim help In-Reply-To: <20000918071332.C20056@sorry.cs.umn.edu>; from dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu on Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 07:13:32AM -0500 References: <20000916164405.A19043@caliban> <20000918071332.C20056@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20000918113858.A32085@real-time.com> > You need to use textwidth=76 instead. IIRC, wrapmargin should be the > size of the pad from the _right_ hand side. So, if you want to wrap at 76 > chars, set wrapmargin=4. This is how the wm=X setting in vi works and my > guess is, it's the same for vim. cool! I've been wondering about that myself, for quite a while. :) so far I've just let the lines go without breaks, and hope the other person's mailer is smart enough to wrap unbroken lines. (which does at least have the good effect of making full use of all space available). Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ehillman at cccu.com Mon Sep 18 11:47:06 2000 From: ehillman at cccu.com (Eric Hillman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:21389] MAPS vs. ORBS - opinions? In-Reply-To: <20000918113143.I20056@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <000a01c02190$144ece10$0162a8c0@cccu.com> > > It's simple with sendmail as well. Add the following to your sendmail.mc > and rebuild your sendmail.cf: > > FEATURE(dnsbl,`rbl.maps.vix.com',` Mail from open-relay > $&{client_addr} rejected by rbl.') > FEATURE(dnsbl,`relays.mail-abuse.org',` Mail from open-relay > $&{client_addr} rejected by rss.') > FEATURE(dnsbl,`dul.maps.vix.com') > That reminds me -- how well will this work behind a firewall? And does anybody know any good ways of testing this once I've got it set up? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Mon Sep 18 14:42:37 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21399] script kiddies... Message-ID: one of my co-workers, who insists on admining his own box, and keeping it out on the internet connection, and not behind my firewall got sploited recently.. looks like the t0rn rootkit was used.. has anyone else had any kids in their boxes recently? any luck tracking them? Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jcook at k-lug.com Mon Sep 18 15:03:30 2000 From: jcook at k-lug.com (Cook, Justin S.) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21399] script kiddies... References: Message-ID: <001201c021ab$846e01a0$7a0e020a@winona.msus.edu> disconnect from net. format everything. reinstall. secure. connect to net. Tracking a kiddie is horribly difficult, most have at least 1 host in between whoever they are attacking. since he used a root kit, he *may* have not been as retarded as most. if he left the logs, id highly suggest looking through them, and keep on the lookout for the ip. Justin Cook ----- Original Message ----- From: Ben Kochie To: Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 2:42 PM Subject: [TCLUG:21399] script kiddies... > one of my co-workers, who insists on admining his own box, and keeping it > out on the internet connection, and not behind my firewall got sploited > recently.. looks like the t0rn rootkit was used.. has anyone else had any > kids in their boxes recently? any luck tracking them? > > Thank You, > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] > | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] > | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] > | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Sep 18 15:06:25 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21399] script kiddies... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Mon, 18 Sep 2000, Ben Kochie wrote: > one of my co-workers, who insists on admining his own box, and keeping it > out on the internet connection, and not behind my firewall I think what you need is some company policy regarding net connectivity. If people can go around doing whatever the hell they want, don't even bother trying to secure the place. -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Mon Sep 18 15:09:12 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:21389] MAPS vs. ORBS - opinions? In-Reply-To: <000a01c02190$144ece10$0162a8c0@cccu.com> Message-ID: Testing it's easy. There's an e-mail address on the RBL site (buried in one of the pages about how to implement it) that lets you test it. It's like test-rbl@crynwr.com or something. There's also one for the maps dul. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Mon, 18 Sep 2000, Eric Hillman wrote: > > > > It's simple with sendmail as well. Add the following to your sendmail.mc > > and rebuild your sendmail.cf: > > > > FEATURE(dnsbl,`rbl.maps.vix.com',` Mail from open-relay > > $&{client_addr} rejected by rbl.') > > FEATURE(dnsbl,`relays.mail-abuse.org',` Mail from open-relay > > $&{client_addr} rejected by rss.') > > FEATURE(dnsbl,`dul.maps.vix.com') > > > > > That reminds me -- how well will this work behind a firewall? And does anybody > know any good ways of testing this once I've got it set up? > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ehillman at cccu.com Mon Sep 18 15:08:37 2000 From: ehillman at cccu.com (Eric Hillman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:21399] script kiddies... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <004201c021ac$3b1fb880$0162a8c0@cccu.com> > one of my co-workers, who insists on admining his own box, and keeping it > out on the internet connection, and not behind my firewall got sploited > recently.. looks like the t0rn rootkit was used.. has anyone else had any > kids in their boxes recently? any luck tracking them? > I'm on a DSL line at home, and my box gets probed on average twice a *day*. The best you can usually do is try and find out who owns the IP address (which can be something of a black art in itself) and complain to their ISP -- nine times out of ten it turns out just to be somebody *else's* cracked home server or DSL-connected PC. It seems like it's gotten a lot harder today to track these guys. For a while I had a nearly perfect kill ratio, but lately it seems like nearly every probe is either nigh-untraceable, or turns out to be coming from some squid-hatching concern in Korea. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From isla0005 at tc.umn.edu Mon Sep 18 15:10:45 2000 From: isla0005 at tc.umn.edu (isla0005@tc.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21400] cgibin help Message-ID: <180900262.47443@209.98.84.145> I can't get my cgibin to work! I have tried ScriptAlias, .htaccess and all. I get Forbidden error all the time. I am including the relevant lines from the httpd.conf file from the server. You are welcomed to login to the server as tclug and tclug at apu.homeip.net Feel free to mess around and suggest me anyhting. apu ......httpd.conf..... # Here are the virtual hosts I have defined on 8.31.00 NameVirtualHost 24.26.174.211 ServerName apu.homeip.net DocumentRoot /usr/users/apu/www ServerName work.apu.homeip.net DocumentRoot /usr/users/work/www AllowOverride None Options all Order allow,deny Allow from all ScriptAlias /cgibin/ work.apu.homeip.net/cgibin/ ServerName leffew.apu.homeip.net DocumentRoot /usr/users/leffew/www ServerName polash.apu.homeip.net DocumentRoot /usr/users/polash/www ServerName sayed.apu.homeip.net DocumentRoot /usr/users/sayed/www ServerName joe.apu.homeip.net ScriptAlias /cgibin/ joe.apu.homeip.net/cgibin/ DocumentRoot /usr/users/jceddy/www #....End of httpd.conf ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Mon Sep 18 15:12:18 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21400] cgibin help In-Reply-To: <180900262.47443@209.98.84.145> Message-ID: Check the apache error_log, it should tell you whether the script itself has a problem, it's a permissions deal, a bad directory, or CGI is misconfigured. That's the best place to start. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Mon, 18 Sep 2000 isla0005@tc.umn.edu wrote: > > I can't get my cgibin to work! > I have tried ScriptAlias, .htaccess and all. I get Forbidden > error all the time. > > I am including the relevant lines from the httpd.conf file from > the server. You are welcomed to login to the server as tclug > and tclug at apu.homeip.net > > Feel free to mess around and suggest me anyhting. > > > apu > > ......httpd.conf..... > > # Here are the virtual hosts I have defined on 8.31.00 > > NameVirtualHost 24.26.174.211 > > > > ServerName apu.homeip.net > DocumentRoot /usr/users/apu/www > > > > ServerName work.apu.homeip.net > DocumentRoot /usr/users/work/www > > AllowOverride None > Options all > Order allow,deny > Allow from all > > > ScriptAlias /cgibin/ work.apu.homeip.net/cgibin/ > > > > > ServerName leffew.apu.homeip.net > DocumentRoot /usr/users/leffew/www > > > > ServerName polash.apu.homeip.net > DocumentRoot /usr/users/polash/www > > > > ServerName sayed.apu.homeip.net > DocumentRoot /usr/users/sayed/www > > > > > ServerName joe.apu.homeip.net > ScriptAlias /cgibin/ joe.apu.homeip.net/cgibin/ > > DocumentRoot /usr/users/jceddy/www > > > #....End of httpd.conf > > > ----- > Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) > The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From john1536 at tc.umn.edu Mon Sep 18 15:19:19 2000 From: john1536 at tc.umn.edu (Troy A. Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21400] cgibin help References: <180900262.47443@209.98.84.145> Message-ID: <39C678C7.CCE14658@tc.umn.edu> use this: ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ /usr/users/work/cgi-bin/ instead of this: ScriptAlias /cgibin/ work.apu.homeip.net/cgibin/ and make sure the directory exists. Mohammed W Islam wrote: > > I can't get my cgibin to work! > I have tried ScriptAlias, .htaccess and all. I get Forbidden > error all the time. > > I am including the relevant lines from the httpd.conf file from > the server. You are welcomed to login to the server as tclug > and tclug at apu.homeip.net > > Feel free to mess around and suggest me anyhting. > > apu > > ......httpd.conf..... > > # Here are the virtual hosts I have defined on 8.31.00 > > NameVirtualHost 24.26.174.211 > > > ServerName apu.homeip.net > DocumentRoot /usr/users/apu/www > > > > ServerName work.apu.homeip.net > DocumentRoot /usr/users/work/www > > AllowOverride None > Options all > Order allow,deny > Allow from all > > > ScriptAlias /cgibin/ work.apu.homeip.net/cgibin/ > > > > > ServerName leffew.apu.homeip.net > DocumentRoot /usr/users/leffew/www > > > > ServerName polash.apu.homeip.net > DocumentRoot /usr/users/polash/www > > > > ServerName sayed.apu.homeip.net > DocumentRoot /usr/users/sayed/www > > > > ServerName joe.apu.homeip.net > ScriptAlias /cgibin/ joe.apu.homeip.net/cgibin/ > > DocumentRoot /usr/users/jceddy/www > > > #....End of httpd.conf > > ----- > Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) > The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Troy Johnson mailto:john1536@tc.umn.edu http://umn.edu/~john1536/ Yesterday I found out what doughnuts are for. You put them on doughbolts. They hold dough airplanes together. For kids, they make erector sets out of play-dough. -- Stephen Wright --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Mon Sep 18 15:26:25 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21399] script kiddies... In-Reply-To: <001201c021ab$846e01a0$7a0e020a@winona.msus.edu> Message-ID: that's my current plan.. nuke and re-do.. and force my co-worker behind a firewall. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Mon, 18 Sep 2000, Cook, Justin S. wrote: > disconnect from net. format everything. reinstall. secure. connect to net. > > Tracking a kiddie is horribly difficult, most have at least 1 host in > between whoever they are attacking. since he used a root kit, he *may* have > not been as retarded as most. if he left the logs, id highly suggest looking > through them, and keep on the lookout for the ip. > > Justin Cook > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ben Kochie > To: > Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 2:42 PM > Subject: [TCLUG:21399] script kiddies... > > > > one of my co-workers, who insists on admining his own box, and keeping it > > out on the internet connection, and not behind my firewall got sploited > > recently.. looks like the t0rn rootkit was used.. has anyone else had any > > kids in their boxes recently? any luck tracking them? > > > > Thank You, > > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] > > | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] > > | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] > > | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Mon Sep 18 15:27:14 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21399] script kiddies... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: well.. I have a company policy, he works for a separate division, so is really not under my authority. (his net connection is separate from the rest of the company) Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Mon, 18 Sep 2000, Yaron wrote: > Hi, > > On Mon, 18 Sep 2000, Ben Kochie wrote: > > > one of my co-workers, who insists on admining his own box, and keeping it > > out on the internet connection, and not behind my firewall > > I think what you need is some company policy regarding net > connectivity. If people can go around doing whatever the hell they want, > don't even bother trying to secure the place. > > > -Yaron > > -- > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From isla0005 at tc.umn.edu Mon Sep 18 15:57:09 2000 From: isla0005 at tc.umn.edu (isla0005@tc.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: Re: [TCLUG:21400] cgibin help Message-ID: <180900262.50229@209.98.84.145> Tried. Does not work. The only difference it makes is now it does not show forbidden. Instead it shows 404 error (not found) ~ Apu --- Original Message --- "Troy A. Johnson" Wrote on Mon, 18 Sep 2000 15:19:19 -0500 ------------------ use this: ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ /usr/users/work/cgi-bin/ instead of this: ScriptAlias /cgibin/ work.apu.homeip.net/cgibin/ and make sure the directory exists. Mohammed W Islam wrote: > > I can't get my cgibin to work! > I have tried ScriptAlias, .htaccess and all. I get Forbidden > error all the time. > > I am including the relevant lines from the httpd.conf file from > the server. You are welcomed to login to the server as tclug > and tclug at apu.homeip.net > > Feel free to mess around and suggest me anyhting. > > apu > > ......httpd.conf..... > > # Here are the virtual hosts I have defined on 8.31.00 > > NameVirtualHost 24.26.174.211 > > > ServerName apu.homeip.net > DocumentRoot /usr/users/apu/www > > > > ServerName work.apu.homeip.net > DocumentRoot /usr/users/work/www > > AllowOverride None > Options all > Order allow,deny > Allow from all > > > ScriptAlias /cgibin/ work.apu.homeip.net/cgibin/ > > > > > ServerName leffew.apu.homeip.net > DocumentRoot /usr/users/leffew/www > > > > ServerName polash.apu.homeip.net > DocumentRoot /usr/users/polash/www > > > > ServerName sayed.apu.homeip.net > DocumentRoot /usr/users/sayed/www > > > > ServerName joe.apu.homeip.net > ScriptAlias /cgibin/ joe.apu.homeip.net/cgibin/ > > DocumentRoot /usr/users/jceddy/www > > > #....End of httpd.conf > > ----- > Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) > The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Troy Johnson mailto:john1536@tc.umn.edu http://umn.edu/~john1536/ Yesterday I found out what doughnuts are for. You put them on doughbolts. They hold dough airplanes together. For kids, they make erector sets out of play-dough. -- Stephen Wright --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From peter at math.umn.edu Mon Sep 18 15:59:02 2000 From: peter at math.umn.edu (Peter Lukas) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21410] ONVOY DSL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Any Onvoy DSL subscribers in our midst? Peter Lukas --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From barnabas at knicknack.net Mon Sep 18 17:12:55 2000 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (barnabas@knicknack.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21410] ONVOY DSL In-Reply-To: ; from peter@math.umn.edu on Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 03:59:02PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20000918171255.A6142@knicknack.net> Yup. Eric On Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 03:59:02PM -0500, Peter Lukas wrote: > Any Onvoy DSL subscribers in our midst? > > Peter Lukas > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From peter at math.umn.edu Mon Sep 18 17:18:23 2000 From: peter at math.umn.edu (Peter Lukas) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21410] ONVOY DSL (off topic: ISP AUP's and TOS) In-Reply-To: <20000918171255.A6142@knicknack.net> Message-ID: Do you have any experience with their abuse department/policies? I don't remember ever seeing or agreeing to an Acceptable Usage Policy, do you? Peter Lukas On Mon, 18 Sep 2000 barnabas@knicknack.net wrote: > Yup. > > Eric > > On Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 03:59:02PM -0500, Peter Lukas wrote: > > Any Onvoy DSL subscribers in our midst? > > > > Peter Lukas > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cschumann at twp-llc.com Mon Sep 18 17:41:52 2000 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21413] OT: Wired Magazine free for the taking Message-ID: Hi folks, sorry to consume off-topic bandwidth, but I have seen similar messages and hope this is OK. I have some issues of Wired magazine I'd like to be rid of. If any of you are interested, please call me tonight (Monday) at 651-793-8684 before 10pm. If no one calls, they will be in Tuesday's recycling. They are free to the first caller who can pick them up this week in St. Paul. I will not deliver them and I will not keep them indoors any longer than Friday. Here is the list of issues I have: 1.3,4,5,6 2.01-12 3.02,3,5,6,8,9,10 4.01-12 5.01,2,3,4,5,6,7,10,11,12 6.01,3,4,7,9,11 7.01,6,7,9,10,11,12 Chris --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From barnabas at knicknack.net Mon Sep 18 18:32:09 2000 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (barnabas@knicknack.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21410] ONVOY DSL (off topic: ISP AUP's and TOS) In-Reply-To: ; from peter@math.umn.edu on Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 05:18:23PM -0500 References: <20000918171255.A6142@knicknack.net> Message-ID: <20000918183209.A7174@knicknack.net> No, but I have only been up and running with them for about 3 weeks. Neither do I recall having seen an AUP. I take it you are having some trouble. Eric On Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 05:18:23PM -0500, Peter Lukas wrote: > Do you have any experience with their abuse department/policies? I don't > remember ever seeing or agreeing to an Acceptable Usage Policy, do you? > > Peter Lukas > > On Mon, 18 Sep 2000 barnabas@knicknack.net wrote: > > > Yup. > > > > Eric > > > > On Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 03:59:02PM -0500, Peter Lukas wrote: > > > Any Onvoy DSL subscribers in our midst? > > > > > > Peter Lukas --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From peter at math.umn.edu Mon Sep 18 19:18:13 2000 From: peter at math.umn.edu (Peter Lukas) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21410] ONVOY DSL (off topic: ISP AUP's and TOS) In-Reply-To: <20000918183209.A7174@knicknack.net> Message-ID: Not really, just eyeballing what kinds of trouble Onvoy is capable of -- or at least aware of. Peter Lukas On Mon, 18 Sep 2000 barnabas@knicknack.net wrote: > No, but I have only been up and running with them for about 3 weeks. > Neither do I recall having seen an AUP. I take it you are having some > trouble. > > Eric > > On Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 05:18:23PM -0500, Peter Lukas wrote: > > Do you have any experience with their abuse department/policies? I don't > > remember ever seeing or agreeing to an Acceptable Usage Policy, do you? > > > > Peter Lukas > > > > On Mon, 18 Sep 2000 barnabas@knicknack.net wrote: > > > > > Yup. > > > > > > Eric > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 03:59:02PM -0500, Peter Lukas wrote: > > > > Any Onvoy DSL subscribers in our midst? > > > > > > > > Peter Lukas > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Mon Sep 18 19:55:27 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21389] MAPS vs. ORBS - opinions? References: Message-ID: <39C6B97F.9F0157D@tcfreenet.org> > protection to supplement the MAPS RBL. It's like buying dolphin safe tuna > or non dolphin safe tuna - you get tuna either way, just one company kills > Flipper and the other claims they don't. If dolphins were so smart, they wouldn't get caught in fishing nets... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at usinternet.com Mon Sep 18 21:14:24 2000 From: blutgens at usinternet.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21399] script kiddies... In-Reply-To: ; from ben@nerp.net on Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 02:42:37PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20000918211424.A20840@ares.usinternet.com> On Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 02:42:37PM -0500, Ben Kochie wrote: >one of my co-workers, who insists on admining his own box, and keeping it >out on the internet connection, and not behind my firewall got sploited >recently.. looks like the t0rn rootkit was used.. has anyone else had any >kids in their boxes recently? any luck tracking them? one word: ipchains nuff said. -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Tue Sep 19 02:13:34 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21419] autopass, expect, linux and pam Message-ID: <20000919021334.C31507@real-time.com> It's been awhile since I have had to do a mass password change, but I use to use autopass that comes with expect, but it seems to not like all the stupid messages that PAM throws in about too short, too easy, etc. What is everyone using for mass password changes? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jasonj at innominatus.com Tue Sep 19 08:32:34 2000 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21410] ONVOY DSL References: Message-ID: <39C76AF2.1E3059EF@innominatus.com> I was out of town, but I am also an Onvoy DSL customer. I didnt sign anything. I dont think I even signed anything for the Covad Guy that was at my house running the line. Peter Lukas wrote: > Any Onvoy DSL subscribers in our midst? > > Peter Lukas > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Tue Sep 19 09:01:06 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21419] autopass, expect, linux and pam In-Reply-To: <20000919021334.C31507@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Tue, Sep 19, 2000 at 02:13:34AM -0500 References: <20000919021334.C31507@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20000919090106.E17524@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [000919 02:13]: > autopass that comes with expect, but it seems to not like all the stupid > messages that PAM throws in about too short, too easy, etc. Then turn off the cracklib stuff in pam. -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I have gcc version egcs-2.91.66 installed on the machine as well as GNU make version 3.77 I keep getting an error stating that my C pre-processor is not available so the configure script blows up whenever I run it. I receive the following error: Creating Makefile + configured for Linux platform + setting C compiler to gcc + setting C pre-processor to NOT-AVAILABLE + checking for system header files + adding selected modules + doing sanity check on compiler and options ../helpers/TestCompile: make: command not found ** A test compilation with your Makefile configuration ** failed. This is most likely because your C compiler ** is not ANSI. Apache requires an ANSI C Compiler, such ** as gcc. The above error message from your compiler ** will also provide a clue. Aborting! Any ideas? Thanks, Jon Erickson --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From john1536 at tc.umn.edu Tue Sep 19 12:10:00 2000 From: john1536 at tc.umn.edu (Troy A. Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21422] compiling apache References: <20000919.17033503@dev.neicoltech.org> Message-ID: <39C79DE8.9411858@tc.umn.edu> Jon, ../helpers/TestCompile: make: command not found This may be the more important part. Is "make" in the path of the user doing this compilation? HTH, Troy Jonathan Erickson wrote: > > I'm tring to install apache1.3.9 with php4 on and Intel machine running > Calder eServer 2.3 and have been having problems compiling. > > I have gcc version egcs-2.91.66 installed on the machine as well as GNU > make version 3.77 > > I keep getting an error stating that my C pre-processor is not available > so the configure script blows up whenever I run it. > > I receive the following error: > > Creating Makefile > + configured for Linux platform > + setting C compiler to gcc > + setting C pre-processor to NOT-AVAILABLE > + checking for system header files > + adding selected modules > + doing sanity check on compiler and options > ../helpers/TestCompile: make: command not found > ** A test compilation with your Makefile configuration > ** failed. This is most likely because your C compiler > ** is not ANSI. Apache requires an ANSI C Compiler, such > ** as gcc. The above error message from your compiler > ** will also provide a clue. > Aborting! > > Any ideas? > > Thanks, > > Jon Erickson > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Troy Johnson mailto:john1536@tc.umn.edu http://umn.edu/~john1536/ Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did, and it never will. Find out just what people will submit to, and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue until they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress. -- Frederick Douglass, August 4, 1857 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jon.erickson at neicoltech.org Tue Sep 19 12:18:45 2000 From: jon.erickson at neicoltech.org (Jonathan Erickson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:21422] compiling apache Message-ID: <20000919.17184558@dev.neicoltech.org> > -----Original Message----- > From: troy@tc.umn.edu [mailto:troy@tc.umn.edu]On Behalf Of Troy A. > Johnson > Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 12:10 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21422] compiling apache > > > Jon, > > ../helpers/TestCompile: make: command not found > > This may be the more important part. Is "make" in the path of the user > doing this compilation? > > HTH, > > Troy > No it wasn't, I added it to the PATH but still recieve the following: Creating Makefile + configured for Linux platform + setting C compiler to gcc + setting C pre-processor to NOT-AVAILABLE + checking for system header files + adding selected modules + doing sanity check on compiler and options ../helpers/TestCompile: make: command not found ** A test compilation with your Makefile configuration ** failed. This is most likely because your C compiler ** is not ANSI. Apache requires an ANSI C Compiler, such ** as gcc. The above error message from your compiler ** will also provide a clue. Aborting! ??????? Jon --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jon.erickson at neicoltech.org Tue Sep 19 12:20:41 2000 From: jon.erickson at neicoltech.org (Jonathan Erickson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21425] Sorry -- ignore last post Message-ID: <20000919.17204131@dev.neicoltech.org> > -----Original Message----- > From: troy@tc.umn.edu [mailto:troy@tc.umn.edu]On Behalf Of Troy A. > Johnson > Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 12:10 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21422] compiling apache > > > Jon, > > ../helpers/TestCompile: make: command not found > > This may be the more important part. Is "make" in the path of the user > doing this compilation? > > HTH, > > Troy > No it wasn't, I added it to the PATH but still recieve the following: Creating Makefile + configured for Linux platform + setting C compiler to gcc + setting C pre-processor to NOT-AVAILABLE + checking for system header files + adding selected modules + doing sanity check on compiler and options ** A test compilation with your Makefile configuration ** failed. This is most likely because your C compiler ** is not ANSI. Apache requires an ANSI C Compiler, such ** as gcc. The above error message from your compiler ** will also provide a clue. Aborting! ??????? Jon --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Tue Sep 19 12:33:03 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21422] compiling apache References: <20000919.17033503@dev.neicoltech.org> Message-ID: <01c301c0225f$ab780160$ff01060a@metamoris.com> Sounds like you don't have cpp installed. This is usually installed in /bin or /usr/bin or /usr/lib. This is actually part of the gcc package, but it is often installed separately when installed via package (RPM or deb). Go look for the cpp package (i.e. cpp-1.1.2-30-i386.rpm for Redhat) and install it. That should solve your problem. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan Erickson To: Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 12:03 PM Subject: [TCLUG:21422] compiling apache I'm tring to install apache1.3.9 with php4 on and Intel machine running Calder eServer 2.3 and have been having problems compiling. I have gcc version egcs-2.91.66 installed on the machine as well as GNU make version 3.77 I keep getting an error stating that my C pre-processor is not available so the configure script blows up whenever I run it. I receive the following error: Creating Makefile + configured for Linux platform + setting C compiler to gcc + setting C pre-processor to NOT-AVAILABLE + checking for system header files + adding selected modules + doing sanity check on compiler and options ../helpers/TestCompile: make: command not found ** A test compilation with your Makefile configuration ** failed. This is most likely because your C compiler ** is not ANSI. Apache requires an ANSI C Compiler, such ** as gcc. The above error message from your compiler ** will also provide a clue. Aborting! Any ideas? Thanks, Jon Erickson --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Tue Sep 19 13:07:13 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21427] [OT] NT Version of su Message-ID: <39C7AB51.84D324FE@ltiflex.com> It's likely I'm not the only one who has to deal with NT, so I'll pass this one along. NTsu is a little program that runs as a service, and lets you run commands as another user. (Useful when you want to run things as administrator but don't want to log off the current user.) I don't have a NT workstation handy to try it out at the moment, so I can't vouch for how well it works, yet. Development has been taken over, and the download version has a 15 day evaluation period. ( see http://www.quimeras.com/ntsu/ ) But I found an older, freeware versiona and stuck it here: ftp://destiny.ringworld.org/pub/windows/ntsu10.zip At least MS wised up and packaged runas in win2k... -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Tue Sep 19 13:35:03 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21427] [OT] NT Version of strace Message-ID: <0G15000NKDP34W@mail1.supervalu.com> Speaking of off-topic cool utilities for NT, I've found a duplicate of strace/truss, but for NT. It's quite cool, for those days when you can't afford to spend $500 on a debugger. :( http://www.securiteam.com/tools/Strace_for_NT_-_low_level_system_calls_tracer.ht ml Nick Reinking -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Tue Sep 19 15:10:23 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21429] Server recommendations Message-ID: <0G15002G2I25UI@mail1.supervalu.com> Greetings, all, I'm looking to build a server for an e-commerce company that I'm thinking about starting up. Sadly, as I don't have much experience running Linux on "high-end" machines, I have a few questions. First of all, the (relevent) config: CPU: 2x PIII Coppermine 800MHz (133MHz bus FCPGA) Motherboard: SuperMicro 370DLE Socket 370 ServerWorks ServerSet III LE chipset, 2x64-bit PCI, 4x32-bit PCI, 133MHz bus, 8GB supported memory SCSI Card: Adaptec 2100S RAID - Single channel, 32MB cache, 32-bit PCI, Ultra160 SCSI Hard Drives: 2x Seagate Cheetah X15 - 15000 RPMs, 18.4GB IDE Boot Drive: IBM IDE (whatever size) CD-ROM: Whatever IDE Memory: 512MB ECC NICs: Built-in Intel eepro100, 3Com 3C905b Case: Full Tower In-Win w/ Redundant Power Supplies Questions: What OS should I use? FreeBSD or Linux? Which takes better advantage of the second CPU? Is all the hardware supported under both? Do the OSes take advantage of the special features of the ServerWorks chipset? Will either OS let me know if a SCSI drive dies and the mirror is broken? Will either OS report ECC errors? Would the eepro100 be a better primary NIC, or the 3Com? Will either OS let me know if a power supply dies? Thanks for the advice, Nick Reinking -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Tue Sep 19 15:31:45 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21429] Server recommendations In-Reply-To: <0G15002G2I25UI@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: server: overkill (unless you plan on /. like hits, with all dynamic content) OS: debian 2.2 i'm not sure on the raid thing. you could call VA linux systems, and purchase one of their systems.. the full-on 2x2 box is really nice (seen them) and may have that software setup on them.. they use their own version of redhat6.2 which is really nice. neither linux nor freeBSD do a whole lot of high-avaliablity monitoring, or reporting out of the box.. but there are addon packs with that kind of stuff.. you may have to do some of that work by hand. either the eepro100 or the 3com will do. it doesn't matter much, from what i've seen, most web bandwidth won't push more than 10mb anyway.. (what kind of uplink are you planning on putting this on) Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Tue, 19 Sep 2000 Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > Greetings, all, I'm looking to build a server for an e-commerce > company that I'm thinking about starting up. Sadly, as I don't > have much experience running Linux on "high-end" machines, > I have a few questions. > > First of all, the (relevent) config: > > CPU: 2x PIII Coppermine 800MHz (133MHz bus FCPGA) > Motherboard: SuperMicro 370DLE Socket 370 ServerWorks > ServerSet III LE chipset, 2x64-bit PCI, 4x32-bit PCI, 133MHz bus, 8GB > supported memory > SCSI Card: Adaptec 2100S RAID - Single channel, 32MB cache, 32-bit PCI, > Ultra160 > SCSI Hard Drives: 2x Seagate Cheetah X15 - 15000 RPMs, 18.4GB > IDE Boot Drive: IBM IDE (whatever size) > CD-ROM: Whatever IDE > Memory: 512MB ECC > NICs: Built-in Intel eepro100, 3Com 3C905b > Case: Full Tower In-Win w/ Redundant Power Supplies > > Questions: > > What OS should I use? FreeBSD or Linux? > Which takes better advantage of the second CPU? > Is all the hardware supported under both? > Do the OSes take advantage of the special features of the ServerWorks chipset? > Will either OS let me know if a SCSI drive dies and the mirror is broken? > Will either OS report ECC errors? > Would the eepro100 be a better primary NIC, or the 3Com? > Will either OS let me know if a power supply dies? > > Thanks for the advice, > Nick Reinking > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Tue Sep 19 15:31:45 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21429] Server recommendations References: <0G15002G2I25UI@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: <035e01c02278$a3015f90$ff01060a@metamoris.com> When the Linux 2.4 kernel arrives in full, it will definitely take better advantage of the SMP situation than FreeBSD will. Linux has better Java support, so if you want that, Linux is probably your best bet. FreeBSD does have SMP support, and it is getting better all the time. So, essentially, if you don't need high-end Java support, I personally recommend that you use FreeBSD. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 3:10 PM Subject: [TCLUG:21429] Server recommendations > Greetings, all, I'm looking to build a server for an e-commerce > company that I'm thinking about starting up. Sadly, as I don't > have much experience running Linux on "high-end" machines, > I have a few questions. > > First of all, the (relevent) config: > > CPU: 2x PIII Coppermine 800MHz (133MHz bus FCPGA) > Motherboard: SuperMicro 370DLE Socket 370 ServerWorks > ServerSet III LE chipset, 2x64-bit PCI, 4x32-bit PCI, 133MHz bus, 8GB > supported memory > SCSI Card: Adaptec 2100S RAID - Single channel, 32MB cache, 32-bit PCI, > Ultra160 > SCSI Hard Drives: 2x Seagate Cheetah X15 - 15000 RPMs, 18.4GB > IDE Boot Drive: IBM IDE (whatever size) > CD-ROM: Whatever IDE > Memory: 512MB ECC > NICs: Built-in Intel eepro100, 3Com 3C905b > Case: Full Tower In-Win w/ Redundant Power Supplies > > Questions: > > What OS should I use? FreeBSD or Linux? > Which takes better advantage of the second CPU? > Is all the hardware supported under both? > Do the OSes take advantage of the special features of the ServerWorks chipset? > Will either OS let me know if a SCSI drive dies and the mirror is broken? > Will either OS report ECC errors? > Would the eepro100 be a better primary NIC, or the 3Com? > Will either OS let me know if a power supply dies? > > Thanks for the advice, > Nick Reinking > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Sep 19 15:33:10 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21429] Server recommendations In-Reply-To: <0G15002G2I25UI@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Tue, 19 Sep 2000 Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > Greetings, all, I'm looking to build a server for an e-commerce > company that I'm thinking about starting up. Sadly, as I don't > have much experience running Linux on "high-end" machines, Sun. Sparc. Solaris. -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Tue Sep 19 15:42:00 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21429] Server recommendations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Heh... intel != high-end. But I think what you've got is really overkill. You've spec'd a server that's capable of pushing far more bandwidth than you can afford, even doing heavy database and dynamic pages. Almost everyone makes the same mistake when they start their own company. The first thing you do is go out and buy pens/shirts/business cards with your logo on them, and a server that's 10 times as powerful as is needed. If you want to stay in business start with what you need. Grab a home-grown P-200MHz with 128MB. Remember, you're not using NT so you don't need a state-of-the-art machine to get decent performance :) When your company grows just grow the machine with it. There's no business sense in having a machine that cost you an arm and a leg just sit idle for 99.9% of the time picking it's nose. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Tue, 19 Sep 2000, Yaron wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, 19 Sep 2000 Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > > > Greetings, all, I'm looking to build a server for an e-commerce > > company that I'm thinking about starting up. Sadly, as I don't > > have much experience running Linux on "high-end" machines, > > > Sun. Sparc. Solaris. > > > -Yaron > > -- > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From drew at usfamily.net Tue Sep 19 15:49:18 2000 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21429] Server recommendations References: <0G15002G2I25UI@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: <39C7D14E.DCE1C5A@usfamily.net> Well you could always run a couple of Quake servers a few Half-life servers, Unreal Tournament server or two and Become very popular with the Napster kids if you have some MP3s Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > Greetings, all, I'm looking to build a server for an e-commerce > company that I'm thinking about starting up. Sadly, as I don't > have much experience running Linux on "high-end" machines, > I have a few questions. > > First of all, the (relevent) config: > > CPU: 2x PIII Coppermine 800MHz (133MHz bus FCPGA) > Motherboard: SuperMicro 370DLE Socket 370 ServerWorks > ServerSet III LE chipset, 2x64-bit PCI, 4x32-bit PCI, 133MHz bus, 8GB > supported memory > SCSI Card: Adaptec 2100S RAID - Single channel, 32MB cache, 32-bit PCI, > Ultra160 > SCSI Hard Drives: 2x Seagate Cheetah X15 - 15000 RPMs, 18.4GB > IDE Boot Drive: IBM IDE (whatever size) > CD-ROM: Whatever IDE > Memory: 512MB ECC > NICs: Built-in Intel eepro100, 3Com 3C905b > Case: Full Tower In-Win w/ Redundant Power Supplies > > Questions: > > What OS should I use? FreeBSD or Linux? > Which takes better advantage of the second CPU? > Is all the hardware supported under both? > Do the OSes take advantage of the special features of the ServerWorks chipset? > Will either OS let me know if a SCSI drive dies and the mirror is broken? > Will either OS report ECC errors? > Would the eepro100 be a better primary NIC, or the 3Com? > Will either OS let me know if a power supply dies? > > Thanks for the advice, > Nick Reinking > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Sep 19 15:46:32 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21429] Server recommendations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Tue, 19 Sep 2000, Adam Maloney wrote: > When your company grows just grow the machine with it. There's no > business sense in having a machine that cost you an arm and a leg just sit > idle for 99.9% of the time picking it's nose. I agree. If you DON'T want to start with the very-high-end, get some homebrew mid-range box. I guess it depends on what kind of laod you're expecting. However, when the loads DO get high, Intel is not the place to be. -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Tue Sep 19 15:34:03 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21429] Server recommendations Message-ID: <0G15003M5J5R8P@mail1.supervalu.com> A Sun box running Solaris (with that kind of power) will cost me much more than what I can afford. That box is only $3500, which will of course go down over a couple of months. Don't tell me that I can get a Sun E250, with that kind of disk and memory for $3500. :P The reason why I'm going with that machine is that I want both expandability (if I need it), plus reliablitity. If the site gets big, I don't want to be down for 3 days because of a hardware failure. :( BTW, /. has I believe, 6 boxes (that was one year ago), with a load balancer. Certainly a lot more than I have. :P Nick jethro@freakzilla.com, on 09/19/2000 03:33:10 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF cc: Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21429] Server recommendations Hi, On Tue, 19 Sep 2000 Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > Greetings, all, I'm looking to build a server for an e-commerce > company that I'm thinking about starting up. Sadly, as I don't > have much experience running Linux on "high-end" machines, Sun. Sparc. Solaris. -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Sep 19 15:56:12 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21429] Server recommendations In-Reply-To: <0G15003M5J5R8P@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Tue, 19 Sep 2000 Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > Don't tell me that I can get a Sun E250, with that kind of disk > and memory for $3500. :P No, you can't, but that machine will not really come close to the same performance as an E250 with Solaris on it. You can get a 2U rackmountable Ultra10 (with SCSI, not IDE) for <$3500. In fact I think it's <$2500. Sun hardware/software makes a lot of sense ESPECIALLY since you want stability. Linux has come a LONG way since it's started, but it's still not Solaris (; and I won't even start comparing Intel to Sun hardware. But, once again, if you don't expect to be taking a lot of heat right from the start, Linux on a midrange Intel box should do fine. I had a 166MHz Pentium box running a webserver serving >1,000,000 hits/month, including dynamic stuff (no DB though). You might want to consider getting a whole bunch of 'low end' boxes and rolling your own load balancer/roundrobin DNS. -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ehillman at cccu.com Tue Sep 19 16:02:14 2000 From: ehillman at cccu.com (Eric Hillman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:21429] Server recommendations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000401c0227c$e33ba580$0162a8c0@cccu.com> > > When your company grows just grow the machine with it. There's no > > business sense in having a machine that cost you an arm and a leg just sit > > idle for 99.9% of the time picking it's nose. > Likewise. I've got a P133 (yes, 133) sitting at home serving up dynamic PHP/MySQL and mod_perl pages to the tune of 5000-15,000 hits/day, and it's managed to clunk along just fine. In fact, you may find that older machines are a better bet if you can't afford things like a power conditioner or climate control. For reasons I don't really understand, my server has rolled right over power problems that caused every other PC in the house to reset. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Tue Sep 19 16:01:54 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21429] Server recommendations In-Reply-To: <0G15003M5J5R8P@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: The only good thing intel has going for them is price. If you want expandability, just plan on being able to throw a few more boxes into the load balancing pool when you get big enough to warrant more horsepower. You want reliability? I bet it would be far cheaper to assemble two identical mid-range machines and have one sit around as a hot standby. A simple shell script to have it check the other machine and assume it's IP address if there's a problem would be pretty simple. Even with that configuration you still have multiple single points of failure (motherboard, NIC, cabling). You'd be far better off getting 2 smaller machines and finding some way to have one mirror and monitor the other. That way everything in Box A you have in Box B, if there's a hardware problem in A you just fall back to B. You can lose anything in A and still be able to have your site going. And with those 2 machines you still have a good build-out process for when you get bigger. You have Box B doing backups so it doesn't suck CPU off Box A needlessly. Maybe a little later you move the RAID over to B and keep A just doing www, or maybe have A do www but B does database stuff, you get the idea. Eventually you'll get to the point where you can't split services off to another box anymore and you'll need to move to some sort of load balancing. There's no intel machine that's powerful enough to be able to serve your site off of 1 server forever, so why bother trying to do it? The intel philosophy is when you start seeing bottlenecks you just throw some more cheap machines at it. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Tue, 19 Sep 2000 Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > A Sun box running Solaris (with that kind of power) will cost > me much more than what I can afford. That box is only $3500, > which will of course go down over a couple of months. > > Don't tell me that I can get a Sun E250, with that kind of disk > and memory for $3500. :P > > The reason why I'm going with that machine is that I want both > expandability (if I need it), plus reliablitity. If the site gets big, > I don't want to be down for 3 days because of a hardware failure. :( > > BTW, /. has I believe, 6 boxes (that was one year ago), with > a load balancer. Certainly a lot more than I have. :P > > Nick > > > > > > jethro@freakzilla.com, on 09/19/2000 03:33:10 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF > cc: > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21429] Server recommendations > > Hi, > > On Tue, 19 Sep 2000 Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > > > Greetings, all, I'm looking to build a server for an e-commerce > > company that I'm thinking about starting up. Sadly, as I don't > > have much experience running Linux on "high-end" machines, > > > Sun. Sparc. Solaris. > > > -Yaron > > -- > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Tue Sep 19 15:47:58 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21429] Server recommendations Message-ID: <0G15003E5JTWNJ@mail1.supervalu.com> Well, I consider that box to be low/mid-range for a server. I figure that by the time that server is swamped (It'll be running both PostgreSQL 7.0.2 and PHP 4.0.2/Optimizer, I can afford to buy a mid-range server (like SPARC/Solaris). A machine like that would provide some considerable oomph, as the the ServerWorks Chipset (used by most OEMs for their Intel servers) helps with Intel's greatest problem - memory bandwidth. According to Sun, an E250 with: 1 400MHz UltraSPARC 512MB memory 1 18GB SCSI 10000RPM disk Fast Ethernet Redundant Power Supply No video card That would run me $15,000. I still would need another disk or two, plus a license for one of the two RAID solutions (non-hardware), or need to purchase some kind of RAID solution. Would that be a faster machine than the one I can make for $3500? Even if it is, is it worth the 400% price differential? Nick Reinking jethro@freakzilla.com, on 09/19/2000 03:46:32 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF cc: Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21429] Server recommendations Hi, On Tue, 19 Sep 2000, Adam Maloney wrote: > When your company grows just grow the machine with it. There's no > business sense in having a machine that cost you an arm and a leg just sit > idle for 99.9% of the time picking it's nose. I agree. If you DON'T want to start with the very-high-end, get some homebrew mid-range box. I guess it depends on what kind of laod you're expecting. However, when the loads DO get high, Intel is not the place to be. -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jcook at k-lug.com Tue Sep 19 16:12:04 2000 From: jcook at k-lug.com (Cook, Justin S.) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21429] Server recommendations References: Message-ID: <008b01c0227e$42d43100$7a0e020a@winona.msus.edu> Why not consider clustering? Many lowend boxen put in a cluster is an awesome solution, especially if you have a lot of hardware yourself. Seriously consider this, a bit of studying should go into this as well. Not just opinoins of us(no im not saying the list isnt smart in all, we just shouldnt have a final say =] ). Justin Cook t.o. Staff mailto:jsc@themes.org http://kde.themes.org ----- Original Message ----- From: Yaron To: Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21429] Server recommendations > Hi, > > On Tue, 19 Sep 2000 Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > > > Don't tell me that I can get a Sun E250, with that kind of disk > > and memory for $3500. :P > > No, you can't, but that machine will not really come close to the same > performance as an E250 with Solaris on it. > > You can get a 2U rackmountable Ultra10 (with SCSI, not IDE) for <$3500. In > fact I think it's <$2500. > > Sun hardware/software makes a lot of sense ESPECIALLY since you want > stability. Linux has come a LONG way since it's started, but it's still > not Solaris (; and I won't even start comparing Intel to Sun hardware. > > But, once again, if you don't expect to be taking a lot of heat right from > the start, Linux on a midrange Intel box should do fine. I had a 166MHz > Pentium box running a webserver serving >1,000,000 hits/month, including > dynamic stuff (no DB though). > > You might want to consider getting a whole bunch of 'low end' boxes and > rolling your own load balancer/roundrobin DNS. > > > > -Yaron > > -- > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Tue Sep 19 16:14:37 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21429] Server recommendations In-Reply-To: <008b01c0227e$42d43100$7a0e020a@winona.msus.edu>; from jcook@k-lug.com on Tue, Sep 19, 2000 at 04:12:04PM -0500 References: <008b01c0227e$42d43100$7a0e020a@winona.msus.edu> Message-ID: <20000919161437.F976@real-time.com> Quoting Cook, Justin S. (jcook@k-lug.com): > Why not consider clustering? Many lowend boxen put in a cluster is an > awesome solution, especially if you have a lot of hardware yourself. > Seriously consider this, a bit of studying should go into this as well. Not > just opinoins of us(no im not saying the list isnt smart in all, we just > shouldnt have a final say =] ). I kind of missed the first part of this thread... If you colo and want to cluster the problem is many places are now charging not only for number of boxes, but the size of boxes and Gb xfered. So, a cluster can be "expensive" especially if the colo place charges for number and size of boxes. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Tue Sep 19 16:19:05 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21429] Server recommendations In-Reply-To: <0G15002G2I25UI@mail1.supervalu.com>; from Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com on Tue, Sep 19, 2000 at 03:10:23PM -0500 References: <0G15002G2I25UI@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: <20000919161905.F28730@real-time.com> > SCSI Card: Adaptec 2100S RAID - Single channel, 32MB cache, 32-bit PCI, > Ultra160 > Will either OS let me know if a SCSI drive dies and the mirror is broken? the RAID controller we use around here is the Mylex 150 (same thing VA puts in their boxen). it reports information through a /proc interface, and I understand it will give you pretty much all the information you want, that way. if you want to monitor it with Netsaint or the like; it's certainly possible. no other controller that we know of is supported this well in the Linux kernel. (please, prove us wrong!) > Will either OS report ECC errors? I know there is a Linux project to support ECC memory; but that's all I know. as for server power; at my last job I used a 486/66 as a webserver (just static pages); and it was more than adequate. (10b-T LAN, 56K net connection). just slapping bits on the wire takes almost no CPU. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Tue Sep 19 16:10:18 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21429] Server recommendations Message-ID: <0G15004A5KTU32@mail1.supervalu.com> The ServerWorks chipset is quite a beast, also, providing the kind of bandwidth that you would see on a Sun box. All in all, it provides 800MB/sec of aggregate PCI bus bandwidth. Intel is pretty impressed with it, too. It provides a higher throughput, and lower latency, than any Intel chipset (RDRAM, SDRAM, single or dual channel). Even Intel is adopting it in a future 4-way CPU/memory configuration. (ala Profusion) In addition, monitoring chips on the motherboard can provide info about: All CPU temps System temps Chassis intrusion 4 voltage input monitors 4 fan-speed monitors (I don't know if the OS can see that, tho) Also, the reason why I'm not clustering is this: It costs $195 per machine for colocation - saving $500 by clustering two smaller machines would be gobbled up quite quickly by colocation costs. :( Nick Reinking -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jcook at k-lug.com Tue Sep 19 16:29:13 2000 From: jcook at k-lug.com (Cook, Justin S.) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21429] Server recommendations References: <0G15004A5KTU32@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: <00c101c02280$a870d8e0$7a0e020a@winona.msus.edu> yeah i didnt think about colo, thought if you're starting your own bizz you may get your own wire pulled to a new building...blah, back to school work. Justin Cook Slightly Tired t.o. Staff mailto:jsc@themes.org http://kde.themes.org ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21429] Server recommendations > The ServerWorks chipset is quite a beast, also, providing > the kind of bandwidth that you would see on a Sun box. All > in all, it provides 800MB/sec of aggregate PCI bus bandwidth. > > Intel is pretty impressed with it, too. It provides a higher throughput, > and lower latency, than any Intel chipset (RDRAM, SDRAM, single > or dual channel). Even Intel is adopting it in a future 4-way CPU/memory > configuration. (ala Profusion) > > In addition, monitoring chips on the motherboard can provide info about: > All CPU temps > System temps > Chassis intrusion > 4 voltage input monitors > 4 fan-speed monitors > (I don't know if the OS can see that, tho) > > Also, the reason why I'm not clustering is this: > It costs $195 per machine for colocation - saving $500 by clustering > two smaller machines would be gobbled up quite quickly by > colocation costs. :( > > Nick Reinking > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Tue Sep 19 16:18:39 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21429] Server recommendations Message-ID: <0G15004HOL8R32@mail1.supervalu.com> Hmm... I'll take into consideration the Mylex thing - it is half the bus speed, a third the CPU speed, and an eighth the cache. Hmm. ECC will still work without the intervention of the OS, I assume. It would be nice to know if the memory was dying, tho. I know, I know. A 486/66 can flood a line with static HTML pages. But can it handle a good number of connections, all using PHP4, making around 3 SQL queries/page, provide credit card connections, and have enough oomph for SSL also? :P Nick chrome@real-time.com, on 09/19/2000 04:19:05 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF cc: Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21429] Server recommendations > SCSI Card: Adaptec 2100S RAID - Single channel, 32MB cache, 32-bit PCI, > Ultra160 > Will either OS let me know if a SCSI drive dies and the mirror is broken? the RAID controller we use around here is the Mylex 150 (same thing VA puts in their boxen). it reports information through a /proc interface, and I understand it will give you pretty much all the information you want, that way. if you want to monitor it with Netsaint or the like; it's certainly possible. no other controller that we know of is supported this well in the Linux kernel. (please, prove us wrong!) > Will either OS report ECC errors? I know there is a Linux project to support ECC memory; but that's all I know. as for server power; at my last job I used a 486/66 as a webserver (just static pages); and it was more than adequate. (10b-T LAN, 56K net connection). just slapping bits on the wire takes almost no CPU. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Tue Sep 19 16:23:49 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21429] Server recommendations Message-ID: <0G15004LCLH132@mail1.supervalu.com> I do plan to have a retail location eventually, but even having its own line won't provide the security of a VISI colo. :) I'm trying to offset high startup costs with a low month-to-month cost. If I can minimized long-term upgrades up front, then it is worth it. If I can save on colo costs by building a bigger machine, then it is worth it. Why? The IRS looks the other way for about $10000 for one-time startup costs for a sole proprietorship. (IE, it's deductable once from your yearly taxes). Nick Reinking jcook@k-lug.com, on 09/19/2000 04:29:13 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF cc: Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21429] Server recommendations yeah i didnt think about colo, thought if you're starting your own bizz you may get your own wire pulled to a new building...blah, back to school work. Justin Cook Slightly Tired t.o. Staff mailto:jsc@themes.org http://kde.themes.org ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21429] Server recommendations > The ServerWorks chipset is quite a beast, also, providing > the kind of bandwidth that you would see on a Sun box. All > in all, it provides 800MB/sec of aggregate PCI bus bandwidth. > > Intel is pretty impressed with it, too. It provides a higher throughput, > and lower latency, than any Intel chipset (RDRAM, SDRAM, single > or dual channel). Even Intel is adopting it in a future 4-way CPU/memory > configuration. (ala Profusion) > > In addition, monitoring chips on the motherboard can provide info about: > All CPU temps > System temps > Chassis intrusion > 4 voltage input monitors > 4 fan-speed monitors > (I don't know if the OS can see that, tho) > > Also, the reason why I'm not clustering is this: > It costs $195 per machine for colocation - saving $500 by clustering > two smaller machines would be gobbled up quite quickly by > colocation costs. :( > > Nick Reinking > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Tue Sep 19 16:41:32 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21429] Server recommendations In-Reply-To: <0G15004A5KTU32@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: We'd charge you $199 / month for 5U of space, whatever you want to do with it. That's 2 2U boxes plus a 250VA 1U APC (just long enough for the generator to kick in...ahh...). My thinking is that if you have a website that demands that much power, you should be making enough money to support the hardware and colo costs. If that's not the case then there's something wrong with your business model. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Tue, 19 Sep 2000 Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > The ServerWorks chipset is quite a beast, also, providing > the kind of bandwidth that you would see on a Sun box. All > in all, it provides 800MB/sec of aggregate PCI bus bandwidth. > > Intel is pretty impressed with it, too. It provides a higher throughput, > and lower latency, than any Intel chipset (RDRAM, SDRAM, single > or dual channel). Even Intel is adopting it in a future 4-way CPU/memory > configuration. (ala Profusion) > > In addition, monitoring chips on the motherboard can provide info about: > All CPU temps > System temps > Chassis intrusion > 4 voltage input monitors > 4 fan-speed monitors > (I don't know if the OS can see that, tho) > > Also, the reason why I'm not clustering is this: > It costs $195 per machine for colocation - saving $500 by clustering > two smaller machines would be gobbled up quite quickly by > colocation costs. :( > > Nick Reinking > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Tue Sep 19 16:41:27 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21429] Server recommendations Message-ID: <0G150049TMBTKM@mail1.supervalu.com> Well, that's what VISI charges, also. $195/month for 5U space. 2 2U machines would cost considerably more than one full tower on its side. (5U in height). That config is always an option if the business really grows. Month-to-month costs would run about $400/month with _no_ business at all, which I can afford out of pocket from just extra cash at my current job. If the website needs that much power, than I'm okay. If it doesn't, then I'm still okay. I'm young, and I can take a risk or two. :) If it does well, I can put off upgrading (at least for a bit), which would make me happy. :) Nick Reinking adamm@sihope.com, on 09/19/2000 04:41:32 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF cc: Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21429] Server recommendations We'd charge you $199 / month for 5U of space, whatever you want to do with it. That's 2 2U boxes plus a 250VA 1U APC (just long enough for the generator to kick in...ahh...). My thinking is that if you have a website that demands that much power, you should be making enough money to support the hardware and colo costs. If that's not the case then there's something wrong with your business model. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Tue, 19 Sep 2000 Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > The ServerWorks chipset is quite a beast, also, providing > the kind of bandwidth that you would see on a Sun box. All > in all, it provides 800MB/sec of aggregate PCI bus bandwidth. > > Intel is pretty impressed with it, too. It provides a higher throughput, > and lower latency, than any Intel chipset (RDRAM, SDRAM, single > or dual channel). Even Intel is adopting it in a future 4-way CPU/memory > configuration. (ala Profusion) > > In addition, monitoring chips on the motherboard can provide info about: > All CPU temps > System temps > Chassis intrusion > 4 voltage input monitors > 4 fan-speed monitors > (I don't know if the OS can see that, tho) > > Also, the reason why I'm not clustering is this: > It costs $195 per machine for colocation - saving $500 by clustering > two smaller machines would be gobbled up quite quickly by > colocation costs. :( > > Nick Reinking > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mjn at umn.edu Tue Sep 19 17:09:53 2000 From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21450] Apache log problems... Message-ID: In the access_logs for Apache none of the hosts are showing up as their DNS entries. All I get for every is an IP address. Which, while not a terrible thing, makes trying to use analog very difficult... Any ideas why they wouldn't be resolving? Nothing is out of the scope of stupidity, any suggestions are welcome. Thanks ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ ____________________________ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From john1536 at tc.umn.edu Tue Sep 19 17:15:59 2000 From: john1536 at tc.umn.edu (Troy A. Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21450] Apache log problems... References: Message-ID: <39C7E59F.A32F5A08@tc.umn.edu> From adamm at sihope.com Tue Sep 19 17:20:28 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21450] Apache log problems... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This is a good thing, turning on DNS lookups causes Apache to suffer a huge performance hit. Find a program to convert them and run it nightly or weekly, however often you generate your stats. I could probably hack something up in awk pretty quick if you have trouble finding anything. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Tue, 19 Sep 2000, mjn wrote: > In the access_logs for Apache none of the hosts are showing up as their > DNS entries. All I get for every is an IP address. Which, while not a > terrible thing, makes trying to use analog very difficult... > > Any ideas why they wouldn't be resolving? > > Nothing is out of the scope of stupidity, any suggestions are welcome. > > Thanks > > ____________________________ > Mike Neuharth > ADCS Technology Specialist > http://www.umn.edu/adcs > > E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu > Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com > http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ > ____________________________ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Tue Sep 19 17:26:18 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21429] Server recommendations References: Message-ID: <39C7E80A.FF38EF29@tcfreenet.org> > I agree. If you DON'T want to start with the very-high-end, get some > homebrew mid-range box. I guess it depends on what kind of laod you're > expecting. However, when the loads DO get high, Intel is not the place to > be. What about those spiffy SGI intel boxen? Are they using their crossbar switch chipset in their server machines? The first visual workstations had it, but I think I heard they dropped it in the later ones. ;P --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Tue Sep 19 17:45:56 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21429] Server recommendations References: <0G15004HOL8R32@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: <39C7ECA4.29D9E347@tcfreenet.org> > I know, I know. A 486/66 can flood a line with static HTML > pages. But can it handle a good number of connections, > all using PHP4, making around 3 SQL queries/page, provide > credit card connections, and have enough oomph for SSL > also? :P Well I'm about to try... Though I don't expect to get any hits other than me. ;) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tobytoo at black-hole.com Tue Sep 19 18:19:13 2000 From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (Brian T) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21429] Server recommendations References: Message-ID: <39C7F471.D536E43A@black-hole.com> I built my dual celeron system for under $1000, that includes a SCSI card and 2 10G HDs only running 192M but that's because I don't need the extra onboard. The raid stack doesn't count because that was a gimme. Adam Maloney wrote: > > Heh... > > intel != high-end. > > But I think what you've got is really overkill. You've spec'd a server > that's capable of pushing far more bandwidth than you can afford, even > doing heavy database and dynamic pages. > > Almost everyone makes the same mistake when they start their own company. > The first thing you do is go out and buy pens/shirts/business cards with > your logo on them, and a server that's 10 times as powerful as is needed. > If you want to stay in business start with what you need. Grab a > home-grown P-200MHz with 128MB. Remember, you're not using NT so you > don't need a state-of-the-art machine to get decent performance :) > > When your company grows just grow the machine with it. There's no > business sense in having a machine that cost you an arm and a leg just sit > idle for 99.9% of the time picking it's nose. > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > On Tue, 19 Sep 2000, Yaron wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > On Tue, 19 Sep 2000 Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > > > > > Greetings, all, I'm looking to build a server for an e-commerce > > > company that I'm thinking about starting up. Sadly, as I don't > > > have much experience running Linux on "high-end" machines, > > > > > > Sun. Sparc. Solaris. > > > > > > -Yaron > > > > -- > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mjn at umn.edu Tue Sep 19 18:41:40 2000 From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21450] Apache log problems... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > This is a good thing, turning on DNS lookups causes Apache to suffer a > huge performance hit. What kind of a performance hit are we talking about? > I could probably hack something up in awk pretty quick if you have trouble > finding anything. Well I'd appretiate the help... knowledge -> 0 as I -> awk Thanks ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ ____________________________ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Sep 19 18:43:31 2000 From: chewie at wookimus.net (^chewie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21429] Server recommendations In-Reply-To: <0G150049TMBTKM@mail1.supervalu.com>; from Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com on Tue, Sep 19, 2000 at 04:41:27PM -0500 References: <0G150049TMBTKM@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: <20000919184331.A2057@wookimus.net> On Tue, Sep 19, 2000 at 04:41:27PM -0500, Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > Well, that's what VISI charges, also. $195/month for > 5U space. 2 2U machines would cost considerably > more than one full tower on its side. (5U in height). That config > is always an option if the business really grows. I don't believe that was the point. The point is that you can purchase a 2U server w/a 1U UPS and still have room to expand later. You'll save the cost on the second computer until you need it, plus, as Adam pointed out, you'd have the battery backup to help you out (though it may be unneeded at VISI). > Month-to-month costs would run about $400/month with _no_ > business at all, which I can afford out of pocket from just > extra cash at my current job. Not bad. > If the website needs that much power, than I'm okay. If it doesn't, > then I'm still okay. I'm young, and I can take a risk or two. :) More power to ya. Personally, if I would consider talking to an ISP and ask them about hosting your site. I know VISI provides database and PHP access, though it may be MySQL. Talk to Internet Exposure or Real Time and find out what they could do for you. Why place the burden of hardware and maintenance cost and time investment on to yourself if someone else will do it for you? As you yourself admitted, you're young and can take a risk or two. And in the context of a network, ecommerce business, wouldn't you like to have a bit of experience in your corner from people who get paid to maintain networks and servers for a living? I know I would. -- Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom http://wookimus.net/chewie -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You could write it in awk (if you knew it), perl would be well suited too. The easiest thing would just be to find one on-line though. There may even be one that comes with the apache distro, I don't remember. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Tue, 19 Sep 2000, mjn wrote: > > This is a good thing, turning on DNS lookups causes Apache to suffer a > > huge performance hit. > > What kind of a performance hit are we talking about? > > > I could probably hack something up in awk pretty quick if you have trouble > > finding anything. > > Well I'd appretiate the help... > > knowledge -> 0 as I -> awk > > Thanks > ____________________________ > Mike Neuharth > ADCS Technology Specialist > http://www.umn.edu/adcs > > E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu > Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com > http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ > ____________________________ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mjj55409 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 19 20:18:55 2000 From: mjj55409 at yahoo.com (Michael Josephson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21459] Mouse under X Message-ID: <20000919201855.A20978@caliban> I'm having a bit of getting my mouse to function under X. It's one of those Logitech marble trackball things. It plugs into the ps/2 mouse port (and I have that set as the protocol in the config file), and I have /dev/mouse linked to /dev/psaux. The problem is that when you try to move the mouse under X, it jumps around on the screen, and you can tell that there are random phantom right and left clicks occuring. What's funny is that I first installed Linux a few weeks ago, and I didn't have any problems with the mouse. I reinstalled last week, and haven't been as lucky. Anyone have a guess as to what I'm missing? Oh, btw, I'm using Debian. Thanks, mj -- --------------------------------- | Michael Josephson | | Software Developer | | Navicare Systems, Inc. | | www.navicare.com | | | | Email: mjosephson@navicare.com | | mjj55409@yahoo.com | --------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Tue Sep 19 20:23:00 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21459] Mouse under X In-Reply-To: <20000919201855.A20978@caliban> Message-ID: Are you using the IMPS/2 protocol, and is it an intellimouse? If you get goofy mouse action that's almost certainly a protocol issue. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Tue, 19 Sep 2000, Michael Josephson wrote: > I'm having a bit of getting my mouse to function under X. It's one of those > Logitech marble trackball things. It plugs into the ps/2 mouse port (and I have > that set as the protocol in the config file), and I have /dev/mouse linked to > /dev/psaux. The problem is that when you try to move the mouse under X, it > jumps around on the screen, and you can tell that there are random phantom right > and left clicks occuring. What's funny is that I first installed Linux a few > weeks ago, and I didn't have any problems with the mouse. I reinstalled last > week, and haven't been as lucky. Anyone have a guess as to what I'm missing? Oh, > btw, I'm using Debian. > > Thanks, mj > -- > --------------------------------- > | Michael Josephson | > | Software Developer | > | Navicare Systems, Inc. | > | www.navicare.com | > | | > | Email: mjosephson@navicare.com | > | mjj55409@yahoo.com | > --------------------------------- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Sep 19 20:25:02 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21459] Mouse under X In-Reply-To: <20000919201855.A20978@caliban> Message-ID: Hi, On Tue, 19 Sep 2000, Michael Josephson wrote: > I'm having a bit of getting my mouse to function under X. It's one of those > Logitech marble trackball things. It plugs into the ps/2 mouse port (and I have > that set as the protocol in the config file), Try "IMPS/2" instead of "PS/2". -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From esper at sherohman.org Tue Sep 19 20:25:36 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21459] Mouse under X In-Reply-To: <20000919201855.A20978@caliban> from Michael Josephson at "Sep 19, 2000 08:18:55 pm" Message-ID: Michael Josephson said: > I'm having a bit of getting my mouse to function under X. It's one of those > Logitech marble trackball things. It plugs into the ps/2 mouse port (and I have > that set as the protocol in the config file), and I have /dev/mouse linked to > /dev/psaux. The problem is that when you try to move the mouse under X, it > jumps around on the screen, and you can tell that there are random phantom right > and left clicks occuring. What's funny is that I first installed Linux a few > weeks ago, and I didn't have any problems with the mouse. I reinstalled last > week, and haven't been as lucky. Anyone have a guess as to what I'm missing? Oh, > btw, I'm using Debian. For my Trackman Marble under Debian I have the following in XF86Config: Section "Pointer" Protocol "IMPS/2" Device "/dev/psaux" Buttons 5 ZaxisMapping 4 5 EndSection -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mjj55409 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 19 20:52:51 2000 From: mjj55409 at yahoo.com (Michael Josephson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21459] Mouse under X In-Reply-To: ; from adamm@sihope.com on Tue, Sep 19, 2000 at 08:23:00PM -0500 References: <20000919201855.A20978@caliban> Message-ID: <20000919205251.A21199@caliban> On Tue, Sep 19, 2000 at 08:23:00PM -0500, Adam Maloney wrote: > Are you using the IMPS/2 protocol, and is it an intellimouse? If you get > goofy mouse action that's almost certainly a protocol issue. > It's called (reading the bottom...) a "Logitech Marble Mouse USB". It's not plugged in via USB; I'm using the USB to PS/2 adapter. I just tried the IMPS/2 protocol. Same behaviour. Like I said, it was just working a couple of week ago on my first installation using the PS/2 protocol. I have no clue what I'm doing differently this time around. Michael --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Tue Sep 19 21:58:21 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21464] syntax highlighting in vim Message-ID: <20000919215821.N28730@real-time.com> When I try to turn on syntax highlighing in vim (from RH 6.2), using what the manual says (:syntax on); it gives me an error "Sorry, this command is not implemented". was it not compiled with syntax highlighting capability or something? Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Sep 19 22:02:22 2000 From: chewie at wookimus.net (^chewie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21464] syntax highlighting in vim In-Reply-To: <20000919215821.N28730@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Tue, Sep 19, 2000 at 09:58:21PM -0500 References: <20000919215821.N28730@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20000919220222.A2246@wookimus.net> On Tue, Sep 19, 2000 at 09:58:21PM -0500, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > When I try to turn on syntax highlighing in vim (from RH 6.2), using > what the manual says (:syntax on); it gives me an error "Sorry, this > command is not implemented". > > was it not compiled with syntax highlighting capability or > something? Possibly. Although, I think you might have "compatibility" set to on. This forces compatibility with standard vi functionality. "set nocompat" should turn this off and allow you to do syntax hilighting. The other thing you should check for is whether or not you're really running vim or not. ;-) Debian uses a symlink-spagetti jungle to specify default editors, such as 'vi', which can be served by elvis, tiny-vi, vim, nvt, etc... Follow all symlinks to their source binary or simply run the --version or appropriate command line option to find out what you're running. ;-) -- Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom http://wookimus.net/chewie -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Although, I think you might have "compatibility" set to on. > This forces compatibility with standard vi functionality. "set > nocompat" should turn this off and allow you to do syntax hilighting. > > The other thing you should check for is whether or not you're really > running vim or not. ;-) Debian uses a symlink-spagetti jungle to > specify default editors, such as 'vi', which can be served by elvis, > tiny-vi, vim, nvt, etc... Follow all symlinks to their source binary > or simply run the --version or appropriate command line option to find > out what you're running. ;-) [chrome@localhost:/home/httpd/html/twig/features/mail]$vi --version VIM - Vi IMproved 5.6 (2000 Jan 16, compiled Mar 7 2000 12:18:07) Included patches: 1-3, 5-6, 10-11 Compiled by root@porky.devel.redhat.com, with (+) or without (-): -autocmd -browse +builtin_terms -byte_offset -cindent -cmdline_compl -cmdline_info -comments -cryptv -cscope -dialog -digraphs -emacs_tags -eval -ex_extra -extra_search -farsi -file_in_path -osfiletype -find_in_path +fork() -GUI -hangul_input -insert_expand -langmap -linebreak -lispindent -menu -mksession -modify_fname -mouse -mouse_dec -mouse_gpm -mouse_netterm -mouse_xterm -multi_byte -perl -quickfix -python -rightleft -scrollbind -smartindent -sniff -statusline -syntax -tag_binary -tag_old_static -tag_any_white -tcl +terminfo -textobjects -title -user_commands -visualextra -viminfo -wildignore -wildmenu +writebackup -X11 -xfontset -xim -xterm_clipboard -xterm_save system vimrc file: "/usr/share/vim/vim56/macros/vimrc" user vimrc file: "$HOME/.vimrc" user exrc file: "$HOME/.exrc" fall-back for $VIM: "/usr/share/vim" Compilation: gcc -c -I. -Iproto -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -O2 -m486 -fno-strength-reduce -Wall Linking: gcc -o vim -ltermcap thanks for the advice. ok, as I read this information, it has syntax turned off ( -syntax). but why in the heck would they do that? argh. the really annoying thing is that even if I recompile vim so that I have syntax highlighting, and install it on my machine; other machines might not (likely won't?) have it. ;( Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Tue Sep 19 22:12:51 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21467] Posting FAQ Message-ID: <20000919221251.D13154@real-time.com> I am getting many posts to the tclug-list from addressess not subscribed to the list. The result is these message get rejected. If you want to post from an address not subscribed to the list, please send me email with the list of addresses you wish to post from. I'll add these addresses to the "allow" file. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Sep 19 22:25:35 2000 From: chewie at wookimus.net (^chewie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21467] Posting FAQ In-Reply-To: <20000919221251.D13154@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Tue, Sep 19, 2000 at 10:12:51PM -0500 References: <20000919221251.D13154@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20000919222535.B2246@wookimus.net> This message is set up on a cron job, isn't it? ;-) On Tue, Sep 19, 2000 at 10:12:51PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > I am getting many posts to the tclug-list from addressess not subscribed to > the list. The result is these message get rejected. > > ... -- Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom http://wookimus.net/chewie -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 233 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20000919/49765236/attachment.pgp -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Tue Sep 19 22:43:47 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21464] syntax highlighting in vim Message-ID: <20000919224347.A18383@real-time.com> It looks like the version from the 'vim-enhanced' rpm has '+syntax' in its options; however, it *still doesn't work*. I know I'm probably going to kick myself when I find the answer... Carl. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Tue Sep 19 22:50:49 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21429] Server recommendations In-Reply-To: <035e01c02278$a3015f90$ff01060a@metamoris.com>; from veldy@veldy.net on Tue, Sep 19, 2000 at 03:31:45PM -0500 References: <0G15002G2I25UI@mail1.supervalu.com> <035e01c02278$a3015f90$ff01060a@metamoris.com> Message-ID: <20000919225049.A9311@ringworld.org> * Thomas T. Veldhouse [000919 15:32]: > if you don't need high-end Java support, I personally recommend that you use > FreeBSD. 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Redhat installs for you vim-minimal.whatever.rpm. Redhat also has packages for more complete RPMs with a lot of those other features turned on. Take a look at the CD again for those vim packages and install one of them. Debian does the same thing. Nate --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Tue Sep 19 22:53:53 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21429] Server recommendations In-Reply-To: <0G15003M5J5R8P@mail1.supervalu.com>; from Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com on Tue, Sep 19, 2000 at 03:34:03PM -0500 References: <0G15003M5J5R8P@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: <20000919225352.B9311@ringworld.org> Thats why you get an Ultra10 and beef it up. What yovue described doesn't require the heft of an E250 :) and anyhow, youd get the E275R or whatever, the rackmount. And anyhow, Sun hardware is no short of amazing. Our E250's have great hardware/software intergration it seems, and the amount of 'bad stuff' the E250 will complain about is good, compared to default linux installs. * Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com [000919 15:49]: > A Sun box running Solaris (with that kind of power) will cost > me much more than what I can afford. That box is only $3500, > which will of course go down over a couple of months. > > Don't tell me that I can get a Sun E250, with that kind of disk > and memory for $3500. :P > > The reason why I'm going with that machine is that I want both > expandability (if I need it), plus reliablitity. If the site gets big, > I don't want to be down for 3 days because of a hardware failure. :( > > BTW, /. has I believe, 6 boxes (that was one year ago), with > a load balancer. Certainly a lot more than I have. :P > > Nick > > > > > > jethro@freakzilla.com, on 09/19/2000 03:33:10 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF > cc: > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21429] Server recommendations > > Hi, > > On Tue, 19 Sep 2000 Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > > > Greetings, all, I'm looking to build a server for an e-commerce > > company that I'm thinking about starting up. Sadly, as I don't > > have much experience running Linux on "high-end" machines, > > > Sun. Sparc. Solaris. > > > -Yaron > > -- > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Redhat also has > packages for more complete RPMs with a lot of those other features > turned on. Take a look at the CD again for those vim packages and > install one of them. Debian does the same thing. well, so far I've found that it works fine in gvim... unfortunately it still complains that the command is not implemented, in regular vim. (despite the fact that 'vim --version' says '+syntax'). Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Tue Sep 19 23:58:07 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21464] syntax highlighting in vim -- fixed! Message-ID: <20000919235807.C18624@real-time.com> figured it out finally... you need to invoke 'vim' instead of 'vi' Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jts at tc.umn.edu Wed Sep 20 01:46:32 2000 From: jts at tc.umn.edu (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21475] RSA Party? Message-ID: <39C85D48.68239AF6@tc.umn.edu> Anyone planning any RSA festivities (http://www.shmoo.com/rsa/)? The RSA algorithm was recently released into the public domain (http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=00/09/06/1252204), only slightly prior to the expiration of RSA's patent. However, the full implications of this event only dawned on me after reading about it in the October issue of Linux Journal ("Goodbye Bandits, Hello Security"). Because of this, and because of the recent relaxation of U.S. export restrictions regarding crypto software for which source code is made freely available, future Linux distributions will be able to freely include software such as OpenSSH and OpenSSL. In addition, it will be possible to tightly integrate strong encryption into software such as Apache and Mozilla. Woohoo! -- Joel Schneider SIGN the Mars Petition: jts@tc.umn.edu http://www.thinkmars.net/petition.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Wed Sep 20 07:03:18 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21459] Mouse under X In-Reply-To: <20000919205251.A21199@caliban> Message-ID: Do you have the right number of buttons set? I.e. it's a 3 button mouse and you have X configured for 3 buttons, and you dont have emulate3buttons enabled? Are you using 9600 baud? Can you try another PS/2 mouse (if you have a spare)? Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Tue, 19 Sep 2000, Michael Josephson wrote: > On Tue, Sep 19, 2000 at 08:23:00PM -0500, Adam Maloney wrote: > > Are you using the IMPS/2 protocol, and is it an intellimouse? If you get > > goofy mouse action that's almost certainly a protocol issue. > > > It's called (reading the bottom...) a "Logitech Marble Mouse USB". It's not > plugged in via USB; I'm using the USB to PS/2 adapter. > > I just tried the IMPS/2 protocol. Same behaviour. Like I said, it was just > working a couple of week ago on my first installation using the PS/2 protocol. I > have no clue what I'm doing differently this time around. > > Michael > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Wed Sep 20 06:50:09 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21429] Server recommendations Message-ID: <0G16007H3PJ5HN@mail1.supervalu.com> >As you yourself admitted, you're young and can take a risk or two. >And in the context of a network, ecommerce business, wouldn't you like >to have a bit of experience in your corner from people who get paid to >maintain networks and servers for a living? I know I would. But I do get paid to maintain networks and servers for a living. :P And my point was the a _single_ 2U unit would cost more than a single 5U unit, even if it does allow for future expandibility. But by the time this machine isn't enough, I expect to be able to purchase a Sun box, or a cluster a few 2U units, maybe pick up a 220R. Hmm. As far as the dual celeron system goes... 2 non-overclocked Celerons don't come close to the performance of a single high end PIII. (mostly memory bandwidth). Additionally, the BP6 is one of the least stable boards ever made. I personally have seen three BP6s "die" - even the local retailers (TranMicro) don't like selling them if they can avoid it - the return/repair rate is far too high. Nick REinking -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Wed Sep 20 07:28:37 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (Gabe Turner (officer)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21464] syntax highlighting in vim In-Reply-To: <20000919224347.A18383@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Tue, Sep 19, 2000 at 10:43:47PM -0500 References: <20000919224347.A18383@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20000920072837.A98397@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Have you tried just downloading it and compiling from source? I've compiled vim a billion (nearly) times and with just the default configure options, everything works fine. Gabe On Tue, Sep 19, 2000 at 10:43:47PM -0500, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > It looks like the version from the 'vim-enhanced' rpm has '+syntax' in its > options; however, it *still doesn't work*. > > I know I'm probably going to kick myself when I find the answer... > > Carl. > -- > Network Engineer > Real-Time Enterprises > (952) 943-8700 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "I'm gonna hit ya, and you're gonna fall. And I'm gonna look down, and I'm gonna laugh." - Ren Hoek in "Sven Hoek" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mjj55409 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 20 07:34:25 2000 From: mjj55409 at yahoo.com (Michael Josephson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21459] Mouse under X In-Reply-To: ; from adamm@sihope.com on Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 07:03:18AM -0500 References: <20000919205251.A21199@caliban> Message-ID: <20000920073425.A24192@caliban> It has two buttons, with the trackball in the middle. I tried 9600 baud, no luck. Comment/uncommenting emulate3buttons has no effect. I don't have another mouse lying around, but I can bring one home from work tonight and try that. If I wanted to wipe my X installation clean and re-install that (just that), What packages do I need to remove? I'm using the latest Debian release. Michael On Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 07:03:18AM -0500, Adam Maloney wrote: > Do you have the right number of buttons set? I.e. it's a 3 button mouse > and you have X configured for 3 buttons, and you dont have emulate3buttons > enabled? > > Are you using 9600 baud? > > Can you try another PS/2 mouse (if you have a spare)? > > On Tue, 19 Sep 2000, Michael Josephson wrote: > > > On Tue, Sep 19, 2000 at 08:23:00PM -0500, Adam Maloney wrote: > > > Are you using the IMPS/2 protocol, and is it an intellimouse? If you get > > > goofy mouse action that's almost certainly a protocol issue. > > > > > It's called (reading the bottom...) a "Logitech Marble Mouse USB". It's not > > plugged in via USB; I'm using the USB to PS/2 adapter. > > > > I just tried the IMPS/2 protocol. Same behaviour. Like I said, it was just > > working a couple of week ago on my first installation using the PS/2 protocol. I > > have no clue what I'm doing differently this time around. > > > > Michael > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org ---end quoted text--- -- --------------------------------- | Michael Josephson | | Software Developer | | Navicare Systems, Inc. | | www.navicare.com | | | | Email: mjosephson@navicare.com | | mjj55409@yahoo.com | --------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Wed Sep 20 08:19:59 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21459] Mouse under X References: <20000919205251.A21199@caliban> <20000920073425.A24192@caliban> Message-ID: <39C8B97F.28180169@ltiflex.com> You could try XF86Setup, scribble down the keybindings for mouse setup, and try everything thill your mouse works. Since you're working with a Logitech mouse, have you tried the MouseMan protocols? MouseMan for a regular two button, MouseManPlusPS/2 if you have a 2 button + wheel. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mjj55409 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 20 09:12:31 2000 From: mjj55409 at yahoo.com (Michael Josephson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21459] Mouse under X In-Reply-To: <39C8B97F.28180169@ltiflex.com>; from andyzb@ltiflex.com on Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 08:19:59AM -0500 References: <20000919205251.A21199@caliban> <20000920073425.A24192@caliban> <39C8B97F.28180169@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <20000920091231.A24683@caliban> Well, that's another problem. I've never been able to get XF86Setup to work. I run it, it switches to graphics mode, but that never really materializes. You can vaguely make out some small, ghosted window images running along the top of the screen, but that's it. I haven't played protocol bingo, because, like I said, this worked without a problem when I first installed a couple of weeks ago. I just reinstalled, and now, I can't get my mouse to work. Arrgh. Michael On Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 08:19:59AM -0500, Andy Zbikowski wrote: > You could try XF86Setup, scribble down the keybindings for mouse setup, and > try everything thill your mouse works. Since you're working with a Logitech > mouse, have you tried the MouseMan protocols? > > MouseMan for a regular two button, MouseManPlusPS/2 if you have a 2 button + > wheel. > > -- > Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) > LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 > 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 > Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org ---end quoted text--- -- --------------------------------- | Michael Josephson | | Software Developer | | Navicare Systems, Inc. | | www.navicare.com | | | | Email: mjosephson@navicare.com | | mjj55409@yahoo.com | --------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Wed Sep 20 09:29:07 2000 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21459] Mouse under X In-Reply-To: <20000919201855.A20978@caliban>; from mjj55409@yahoo.com on Tue, Sep 19, 2000 at 08:18:55PM -0500 References: <20000919201855.A20978@caliban> Message-ID: <20000920092907.C2909@able.space.umn.edu> On Tue, Sep 19, 2000 at 08:18:55PM -0500, Michael Josephson wrote: > I'm having a bit of getting my mouse to function under X. It's one of those > Logitech marble trackball things. It plugs into the ps/2 mouse port (and I have > that set as the protocol in the config file), and I have /dev/mouse linked to > /dev/psaux. The problem is that when you try to move the mouse under X, it > jumps around on the screen, and you can tell that there are random phantom right > and left clicks occuring. What's funny is that I first installed Linux a few > weeks ago, and I didn't have any problems with the mouse. I reinstalled last > week, and haven't been as lucky. Anyone have a guess as to what I'm missing? Oh, > btw, I'm using Debian. You might want to try removing gpm (dpkg --purge gpm, I think). Gpm is for controlling the mouse on text consoles and its supposed to play nice with X, but sometimes it isn't set correctly. I usually just remove it, because I don't use the mouse on console anyway. -- Jim Crumley | crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Wed Sep 20 11:12:16 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21464] syntax highlighting in vim References: <20000919215821.N28730@real-time.com> <20000919220222.A2246@wookimus.net> <20000919221202.O28730@real-time.com> <20000919225047.C27619@candle.dyn.dhs.org> Message-ID: <39C8E1E0.D40F8AD9@ltiflex.com> > Redhat installs for you vim-minimal.whatever.rpm. Redhat also has > packages for more complete RPMs with a lot of those other features > turned on. Take a look at the CD again for those vim packages and > install one of them. Debian does the same thing. Whoever packaged VIM for Debian was smoking serious crack. vim and vim-gtk make sence, but they should both depend on, or at least suggest, vim-rt (kinda helps to have the runtime files...) I don't get it...maybe there is a logical explaination somewhere... -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Sep 20 11:22:17 2000 From: chewie at wookimus.net (^chewie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21464] syntax highlighting in vim In-Reply-To: <39C8E1E0.D40F8AD9@ltiflex.com>; from andyzb@ltiflex.com on Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 11:12:16AM -0500 References: <20000919215821.N28730@real-time.com> <20000919220222.A2246@wookimus.net> <20000919221202.O28730@real-time.com> <20000919225047.C27619@candle.dyn.dhs.org> <39C8E1E0.D40F8AD9@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <20000920112217.E6375@wookimus.net> On Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 11:12:16AM -0500, Andy Zbikowski wrote: > > Redhat installs for you vim-minimal.whatever.rpm. Redhat also has > > packages for more complete RPMs with a lot of those other features > > turned on. Take a look at the CD again for those vim packages and > > install one of them. Debian does the same thing. > > Whoever packaged VIM for Debian was smoking serious crack. vim and > vim-gtk make sence, but they should both depend on, or at least > suggest, vim-rt (kinda helps to have the runtime files...) I don't > get it...maybe there is a logical explaination somewhere... Would you like some cheese and crackers with that whine? *evil grin* -- Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom http://wookimus.net/chewie -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You can be sure there must be, since it's been well-established on this list that those who make debian packages are much more pasionate, careful, and expert than the cobbs who put together packages for other distributions. ;-> Andy --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blackk100 at hotmail.com Wed Sep 20 12:07:42 2000 From: blackk100 at hotmail.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21486] Jacal (Network based Load/Build of a machine) Message-ID: Has anyone tried Jacal: (Freshmeat description) The JACAL Project is a suite of programs, scripts, guidelines, protocols, documentation, and diskettes that assist in quick, network based loads/builds of machines. It has been used to build 70 University lab machines from scratch (No OS) in two hours. This includes NT service packs and 80+ applications on the NT side. Looks like it needs a bit of tweaking to get it running, but could be useful when it is set up correctly. I differs from Ghost and the like by not using a stock image (rather a differenced install to copy and change the registry between application installs). Anybody know of any other useful tools to accomplish the same goals (preferably GPL'ed software). Kelly Black _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Wed Sep 20 12:37:02 2000 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21464] syntax highlighting in vim In-Reply-To: <39C8E1E0.D40F8AD9@ltiflex.com>; from andyzb@ltiflex.com on Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 11:12:16AM -0500 References: <20000919215821.N28730@real-time.com> <20000919220222.A2246@wookimus.net> <20000919221202.O28730@real-time.com> <20000919225047.C27619@candle.dyn.dhs.org> <39C8E1E0.D40F8AD9@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <20000920123702.A3052@able.space.umn.edu> On Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 11:12:16AM -0500, Andy Zbikowski wrote: > > Redhat installs for you vim-minimal.whatever.rpm. Redhat also has > > packages for more complete RPMs with a lot of those other features > > turned on. Take a look at the CD again for those vim packages and > > install one of them. Debian does the same thing. > > Whoever packaged VIM for Debian was smoking serious crack. vim and vim-gtk > make sence, but they should both depend on, or at least suggest, vim-rt > (kinda helps to have the runtime files...) I don't get it...maybe there is a > logical explaination somewhere... Well, vim, vim-gtk, etc. do recommend vimi-rt - /var/lib/dpkg/available : Package: vim Priority: optional Section: editors Installed-Size: 600 Maintainer: Wichert Akkerman Architecture: i386 Version: 5.6.070-1 Replaces: vim-rt, vim-tiny, vim-perl, vim-python, vim-tcl, vim-gtk Provides: editor Depends: libc6 (>= 2.1.2), libgpmg1 (>= 1.14-16), libncurses5 Pre-Depends: dpkg (>= 1.6.8) Recommends: vim-rt Suggests: ctags Conflicts: vim-tiny, vim-perl, vim-python, vim-tcl, vim-tty, vim-gtk Filename: dists/stable/main/binary-i386/editors/vim_5.6.070-1.deb Size: 316832 MD5sum: d1505d321d5eda0f3b47653e7705587a Description: Vi IMproved - enhanced vi editor Vim is an almost compatible version of the UNIX editor Vi. Many new features have been added: multi level undo, syntax highlighting, command line history, on-line help, filename completion, block operations, etc. . This packages contains the vim program itself. The runtime-files are in the vim-rt package. It has been build with all the normal features but without any X support. So the vim packages recommends vim-gtk, but do not depend on it. Let me guess - you installed vim with apt-get. Unfortunately, apt-get will only automatically try to install packages that are depended on, not those that are suggested or recommended. To get a look at what packages are suggested you have to use dselect (or possibly one of the apt front-end like gnome-apt or console-apt). As for why vim-rt is only suggested by the other vim packages, I'm not sure. Maybe if you're only use vim as a vi replacement you don't need the runtime files? I just tried, and vim seems to work fine without vim-rt. Of course, the syntax highlighting disappears. And I'm pretty sure there is a good reason for it, the vim maintainer, Wickert Akkerman is the Debian Project Leader. He's probably pretty likely to set the dependancies for good reason ;) -- Jim Crumley | crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Sep 20 13:28:28 2000 From: chewie at wookimus.net (^chewie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21464] syntax highlighting in vim In-Reply-To: <20000920123702.A3052@able.space.umn.edu>; from crumley@belka.space.umn.edu on Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 12:37:02PM -0500 References: <20000919215821.N28730@real-time.com> <20000919220222.A2246@wookimus.net> <20000919221202.O28730@real-time.com> <20000919225047.C27619@candle.dyn.dhs.org> <39C8E1E0.D40F8AD9@ltiflex.com> <20000920123702.A3052@able.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20000920132828.G6375@wookimus.net> On Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 12:37:02PM -0500, Jim Crumley wrote: > Well, vim, vim-gtk, etc. do recommend vimi-rt - > /var/lib/dpkg/available : > > ...[snip]... > > Unfortunately, apt-get will only automatically try to install > packages that are depended on, not those that are suggested or > recommended. To get a look at what packages are suggested you have > to use dselect (or possibly one of the apt front-end like gnome-apt > or console-apt). or use... bash$ apt-cache depends vim vim Depends: libc6 Depends: libgpmg1 Depends: libncurses5 PreDepends: dpkg Suggests: exuberant-ctags elvis Suggests: cscope Recommends: vim-rt Conflicts: vim-tiny Conflicts: vim-perl Conflicts: vim-python Conflicts: vim-tcl Conflicts: Conflicts: vim-gtk Replaces: vim-rt Replaces: vim-tiny Replaces: vim-perl Replaces: vim-python Replaces: vim-tcl Replaces: vim-gtk And there you go. ;-) Don't have to manually parse the file. Don't have to start some curses or graphical front end. Just type-n-go ;-) Of course, you could write a wrapper script or perl module and to prompt you for installation of each "Recommends" or "Suggests" packages. ;-) -- Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom http://wookimus.net/chewie -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I have a full time connection via external router and would like to attempt an ftp install or if possible download the ISO, and install directly from the ISO on my Hard drive. I am trying to save CDS's now that Mandrake requires 2. Thanks. Brian From pope at ossuary.net Wed Sep 20 17:25:08 2000 From: pope at ossuary.net (Scott) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21489] Linux Update In-Reply-To: <001001c02350$6938a650$0300000a@BB2000> Message-ID: Why not just figure out what packages you need updated, and if you really do need them updated, then grab the individually? Or if you're really keen on the idea of doing a full update, doesn't it have some handy interface for doing so? I know yast in SuSE has a subsection for doing just that, I'd assume Red Hat (and thus mandrake) have something similar. As for us smack users, we hate updates. Most still get cranky when you mention glibc2. Scott -- ossuary.net -- "Only dead girls like me." -Voltaire --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu Wed Sep 20 17:41:56 2000 From: cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu (Charles Fulton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21491] Coppermine and Linux References: <001001c02350$6938a650$0300000a@BB2000> Message-ID: <39C93D34.D091F3A0@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> I just got a coppermine based laptop (hyperdata) that won't boot linux without disabling the L2 cache. I've tried RH 6.2, RH 6.9 and Debian 2.4 (slink). It runs windoze, FreeBSD and OpenBSD just fine. It hangs on the "Loading Linux" line displaying variable numbers of periods. Debian is the only one that actually gave me an error of "out of memory". I read in the kernel mail archives about a detection problem for the coppermine cache but the patch was dated late last year. Linux does work without using the cache... and I compiled a 2.4-test8 kernel which had the same problems. At first I was thinking a cache problem but I find it hard to believe that a problem with the on die cache would escape from Intel. Plus it runs everything else just fine. Very strange. Any thoughts? Charlie --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Wed Sep 20 17:49:06 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21491] Coppermine and Linux In-Reply-To: <39C93D34.D091F3A0@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> Message-ID: > At first I was thinking a cache problem but I find it hard to believe > that a problem with the on die cache would escape from Intel. Plus it > runs everything else just fine. Very strange. > > Any thoughts? Don't overestimate Intel. (But I don't think you've proved that it's a hardware thing either.) Phil M -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From zibby at ringworld.org Wed Sep 20 18:08:28 2000 From: zibby at ringworld.org (Andrew S. Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21491] Coppermine and Linux In-Reply-To: <39C93D34.D091F3A0@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> Message-ID: > I just got a coppermine based laptop (hyperdata) that won't boot linux without disabling the L2 cache. I've tried RH 6.2, RH 6.9 and Debian 2.4 (slink). > Debian 2.4 isn't slink, actually, there is no Debian 2.4. 2.1 is slink, 2.2 is potato, 2.3 is woody. 2.4...isn't, yet. Try potato, slink uses a 2.0 kernel, unless you find a "slink and a half cd," but I don't think that's an "official" debian. > It runs windoze, FreeBSD and OpenBSD just fine. > Naturally it runs linux, most laptops are designed to run windows. > It hangs on the "Loading Linux" line displaying variable numbers of periods. Debian is the only one that actually gave me an error of "out of memory". > Nice, lovely... > I read in the kernel mail archives about a detection problem for the coppermine cache but the patch was dated late last year. > Patch for what kernel? Try a stable kernel. 2.2 series. It does seem odd | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | | Make way evil! I am armed to the teeth | | and packing a hamster! | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Sep 20 18:11:53 2000 From: chewie at wookimus.net (^chewie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21491] Coppermine and Linux In-Reply-To: <39C93D34.D091F3A0@oak.cats.ohiou.edu>; from cf352197@oak.cats.ohiou.edu on Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 06:41:56PM -0400 References: <001001c02350$6938a650$0300000a@BB2000> <39C93D34.D091F3A0@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> Message-ID: <20000920181153.A9017@wookimus.net> On Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 06:41:56PM -0400, Charles Fulton wrote: > I just got a coppermine based laptop (hyperdata) that won't boot > linux without disabling the L2 cache. I've tried RH 6.2, RH 6.9 and > Debian 2.4 (slink). > > It runs windoze, FreeBSD and OpenBSD just fine. > > It hangs on the "Loading Linux" line displaying variable numbers of > periods. Debian is the only one that actually gave me an error of > "out of memory". > > I read in the kernel mail archives about a detection problem for the > coppermine cache but the patch was dated late last year. > > Linux does work without using the cache... and I compiled a > 2.4-test8 kernel which had the same problems. Look into the ./tests or ./testing directory for patches against test8. BTW, test8's VM is really FSCKED up. It'd be best if you used the stable kernel instead. -- Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom http://wookimus.net/chewie -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I've tried RH 6.2, RH 6.9 and Debian 2.4 (slink). > > > > Debian 2.4 isn't slink, actually, there is no Debian 2.4. 2.1 is slink, > 2.2 is potato, 2.3 is woody. 2.4...isn't, yet. Try potato, slink uses a > 2.0 kernel, unless you find a "slink and a half cd," but I don't think > that's an "official" debian. > > > It runs windoze, FreeBSD and OpenBSD just fine. > > > Naturally it runs linux, most laptops are designed to run windows. > > > It hangs on the "Loading Linux" line displaying variable numbers of periods. Debian is the only one that actually gave me an error of "out of memory". > > > Nice, lovely... > > > I read in the kernel mail archives about a detection problem for the coppermine cache but the patch was dated late last year. > > > Patch for what kernel? > > Try a stable kernel. 2.2 series. It does seem odd > > | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | > | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | > | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | > | Make way evil! I am armed to the teeth | > | and packing a hamster! | > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From zibby at ringworld.org Wed Sep 20 18:24:42 2000 From: zibby at ringworld.org (Andrew S. Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21491] Coppermine and Linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ah dangit...wrong key combo, didn't want to send that just et...too late now. Did a quick search, and only came up with try something besides 2.4 and 2.0. Try the latest 2.2 kernel. Try potato, if you only have slink CD's...well, find yourself some slink and a half cds. But, get potato if you want debian. Slink is very, very stale. If you need CD's, I can burn them off and mail them to you. (a few bucks to cover the cost of CD's would be nice) Hmmm, I know I had some potato CD's around here somewhere... | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | | Beware evil! I am armed to the teeth | | and packing a hamster! | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From sextus at visi.com Wed Sep 20 18:40:03 2000 From: sextus at visi.com (Michael Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21497] Re: Apache log problems... In-Reply-To: <969488258.22923.ezmlm@mn-linux.org>; from tclug-list-digest-help@mn-linux.org on Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 10:17:38PM -0000 References: <969488258.22923.ezmlm@mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <20000920184003.A13229@visi.com> You should by all means disable Apache DNS lookups unless you need the remote hostname for some reason. Apache comes with a utility named "logresolve", which is non-forking and too slow to be of any use. A much faster alternative named "ip2host" is available from: http://olympia2.adhost.com/~maurice/scripts/ip2host Michael --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu Wed Sep 20 20:09:18 2000 From: cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu (Charles Fulton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21491] Coppermine and Linux References: Message-ID: <39C95FBE.848029D4@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> Didn't mean to offend any of those die hard debianites... I meant 2.1r4 I'll crawl back into my little hole now. ;) I run a 2.4 on another laptop (sound support man) and it works just fine. I had the source laying around hence me building a 2.4; this being after I read about the patch for cache detection. I figured the patch had made it into the kernel tree by now but I didn't really investigate. assume==bad; I also wanted a 2.0 kernel (slink) just to see what it had to say. I at least got an error on that one. I wouldn't really put anything past Intel and if it were 1Ghz I'd bet on it being a funky cache. But this is 800Mhz so it should be stable enough. It seems to work just fine in BSD so it'll end up a FreeBSD machine which is fine but I'd still like to know why linux choked on it. Anyone ever hear of a BIOS causing a problem like this? I don't see how off hand but I guess it's possible. Thanks, Charlie --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Thu Sep 21 00:43:06 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21491] Coppermine and Linux References: <39C95FBE.848029D4@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> Message-ID: <39C99FEA.6ED1777@tcfreenet.org> > I wouldn't really put anything past Intel and if it were 1Ghz I'd bet on it being a funky cache. But this is 800Mhz so it should be stable enough. It seems > to work just fine in BSD so it'll end up a FreeBSD machine which is fine but I'd still like to know why linux choked on it. > > Anyone ever hear of a BIOS causing a problem like this? I don't see how off hand but I guess it's possible. Broken hardware is a possibility. Does it work in windows? ;P --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Thu Sep 21 00:46:34 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21464] syntax highlighting in vim References: Message-ID: <39C9A0BA.CF249739@tcfreenet.org> > You can be sure there must be, since it's been well-established on this > list that those who make debian packages are much more pasionate, careful, > and expert than the cobbs who put together packages for other > distributions. Damn straight. So why does mtools depend on xlib? I don't want no stinkin' X... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Thu Sep 21 01:07:19 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21491] Coppermine and Linux In-Reply-To: <20000920181153.A9017@wookimus.net>; from chewie@wookimus.net on Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 06:11:53PM -0500 References: <001001c02350$6938a650$0300000a@BB2000> <39C93D34.D091F3A0@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> <20000920181153.A9017@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20000921010719.A13539@ringworld.org> * ^chewie [000920 18:12]: > test8. BTW, test8's VM is really FSCKED up. It'd be best if you used Its not fscked, just different. Seems to be much, much more agressive in deciding how to allocate ram to page. 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I've tried RH 6.2, RH 6.9 and > > Debian 2.4 (slink). > > > > It runs windoze, FreeBSD and OpenBSD just fine. > > > > It hangs on the "Loading Linux" line displaying variable numbers of > > periods. Debian is the only one that actually gave me an error of > > "out of memory". > > > > I read in the kernel mail archives about a detection problem for the > > coppermine cache but the patch was dated late last year. > > > > Linux does work without using the cache... and I compiled a > > 2.4-test8 kernel which had the same problems. > > Look into the ./tests or ./testing directory for patches against > test8. BTW, test8's VM is really FSCKED up. It'd be best if you used > the stable kernel instead. > > -- > Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom > http://wookimus.net/chewie > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It looks like they put it in so they can bugfix it before rel, cause the VM code needed major help anyhow. * Scott Dier [000921 01:09]: > There are patches avail too. > > http://www.surriel.com/patches/2.4.0-t8p1-vmpatch2 > > Its called a dev kernel for a reason :) > > * ^chewie [000920 18:12]: > > On Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 06:41:56PM -0400, Charles Fulton wrote: > > > I just got a coppermine based laptop (hyperdata) that won't boot > > > linux without disabling the L2 cache. I've tried RH 6.2, RH 6.9 and > > > Debian 2.4 (slink). > > > > > > It runs windoze, FreeBSD and OpenBSD just fine. > > > > > > It hangs on the "Loading Linux" line displaying variable numbers of > > > periods. Debian is the only one that actually gave me an error of > > > "out of memory". > > > > > > I read in the kernel mail archives about a detection problem for the > > > coppermine cache but the patch was dated late last year. > > > > > > Linux does work without using the cache... and I compiled a > > > 2.4-test8 kernel which had the same problems. > > > > Look into the ./tests or ./testing directory for patches against > > test8. BTW, test8's VM is really FSCKED up. It'd be best if you used > > the stable kernel instead. > > > > -- > > Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom > > http://wookimus.net/chewie > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > -- > Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet > http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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A much > faster alternative named "ip2host" is available from: > > http://olympia2.adhost.com/~maurice/scripts/ip2host > Thanks for the link... ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ ____________________________ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Sep 21 08:38:30 2000 From: chewie at wookimus.net (^chewie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21505] VM and test8 In-Reply-To: <20000921010719.A13539@ringworld.org>; from dieman@ringworld.org on Thu, Sep 21, 2000 at 01:07:19AM -0500 References: <001001c02350$6938a650$0300000a@BB2000> <39C93D34.D091F3A0@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> <20000920181153.A9017@wookimus.net> <20000921010719.A13539@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20000921083830.A11458@wookimus.net> On Thu, Sep 21, 2000 at 01:07:19AM -0500, Scott Dier wrote: > * ^chewie [000920 18:12]: > > test8. BTW, test8's VM is really FSCKED up. It'd be best if you used > > Its not fscked, just different. Seems to be much, much more agressive > in deciding how to allocate ram to page. I haven't noticed anything > other than that tho. Scott. Pay attention to the kernel-devel list a little more. Have you seen the number of patches floating around for test8? Just look in the ./testing directory. Then place on top of that my personal experience of watching my box freak out... VM: Shutting down postgresql.... VM: Shutting down sendmail... . . . . . . Yeah, the new VM is different, aggressive, and all whip-de-doo, but it's not solid enough to run on consitantly. Thus, as you so succintly put, "that's why they call it a development kernel." :. use the stable kernels until 2.4 is... well... stable. -- Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom http://wookimus.net/chewie -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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An shows the following: -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root 686 Apr 26 21:15 runInstaller When I try to execute the script (as root), I get a: bash: ./runInstaller: Permission denied Can I do anything in order to run the script? -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services dutchman@mn.uswest.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Thu Sep 21 08:56:15 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21506] Unable to execute script References: <39CA1135.FE9BF6CC@mn.uswest.net> Message-ID: <39CA137F.AE28A289@ltiflex.com> I had this happen before with ApplixWare. Unmount the disk, they mount it like this: mount -r -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom Some cdroms seem to have issues with running executables with unless you tell it read only, even though I had read only specified in fstab it didn't work until I manually mounted it. Give it a try, if it doesn't work, I'll have to look at some other documentation, which is about 25 minutes away from where I am now. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From john1536 at tc.umn.edu Thu Sep 21 09:01:08 2000 From: john1536 at tc.umn.edu (Troy A. Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21506] Unable to execute script References: <39CA1135.FE9BF6CC@mn.uswest.net> Message-ID: <39CA14A4.BB1B1CF6@tc.umn.edu> Perry, What does it expect to run it? If it is a shell script (like bash), do this: % bash runInstaller It may have to do with the options given in /etc/fstab for mounting that partition (noexec is the option, I think). HTH, Troy Perry Hoekstra wrote: > > Greet the sun all: > > I have an install script on a CD-ROM that I am unable to execute. An > shows the following: > > -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root 686 Apr 26 21:15 runInstaller > > When I try to execute the script (as root), I get a: > > bash: ./runInstaller: Permission denied > > Can I do anything in order to run the script? > > -- > Perry Hoekstra > E-Commerce Architect > Talent Software Services > dutchman@mn.uswest.net > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Troy Johnson mailto:john1536@tc.umn.edu http://umn.edu/~john1536/ No matter how one approaches the figures, one is forced to the rather startling conclusion that the use of firearms in crime was very much less when there were no controls of any sort and when anyone, convicted criminal or lunatic, could buy any type of firearm without restriction. Half a century of strict controls on pistols has ended, perversely, with a far greater use of this weapon in crime than ever before. -- Colin Greenwood, in the study "Firearms Control", 1972 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dutchman at uswest.net Thu Sep 21 09:33:12 2000 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21506] Unable to execute script References: <39CA1135.FE9BF6CC@mn.uswest.net> <39CA137F.AE28A289@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <39CA1C28.44739A13@mn.uswest.net> Andy Zbikowski wrote: > > I had this happen before with ApplixWare. Unmount the disk, they mount it > like this: > mount -r -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom > > Some cdroms seem to have issues with running executables with unless you > tell it read only, even though I had read only specified in fstab it didn't > work until I manually mounted it. > That did it. I had the cdrom listed in fstab as: /dev/hdb /cdrom iso9660 defaults,ro,user,noauto 0 I take it that the above line works for most stuff, just not this particular instance? -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services dutchman@mn.uswest.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Thu Sep 21 10:14:46 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21506] Unable to execute script References: <39CA1135.FE9BF6CC@mn.uswest.net> <39CA137F.AE28A289@ltiflex.com> <39CA1C28.44739A13@mn.uswest.net> Message-ID: <39CA25E5.F2E8E9DB@ltiflex.com> > > mount -r -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom > That did it. I had the cdrom listed in fstab as: > > /dev/hdb /cdrom iso9660 defaults,ro,user,noauto 0 > > I take it that the above line works for most stuff, just not this > particular instance? > Haven't figured that out myself, or really what the difference is. All my CD's from Loki worked fine. Applixware CD had issues until I remounted it. If anyone can shed a bit more light on the subject.... -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Thu Sep 21 10:41:12 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21505] VM and test8 References: <001001c02350$6938a650$0300000a@BB2000> <39C93D34.D091F3A0@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> <20000920181153.A9017@wookimus.net> <20000921010719.A13539@ringworld.org> <20000921083830.A11458@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <39CA2C18.6F72EE0C@ltiflex.com> > Yeah, the new VM is different, aggressive, and all whip-de-doo, but > it's not solid enough to run on consitantly. Thus, as you so > succintly put, "that's why they call it a development kernel." developmental ~ tempermental WinNT ~ tempermental WinNT ~ developmental? -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From wilson at visi.com Thu Sep 21 11:29:04 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21512] Samba died Message-ID: Hey everyone, Something very strange happened the other day to my Debian server. I walked back to my desk after class and discovered that my screensaver wouldn't clear. It turns out that the dept. file server was turned off. :-( I have no idea why. Perhaps someone pushed the button (it sits back in one of our stockrooms). Perhaps some weird hardware or power failure. I rebooted the machine and everything seemed fine. But now samba doesn't work. My colleagues who use Win95 can't access their directories on the server. I use NFS and I'm not having any trouble at all. I originally had samba running from inetd, but I reconfigured it to run as a daemon. It seems like samba just isn't answering requests. Any ideas about how I can diagnose this problem? I'm stumped. -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mjn at umn.edu Thu Sep 21 11:30:36 2000 From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21497] Re: Apache log problems... In-Reply-To: <20000920184003.A13229@visi.com> Message-ID: > Apache comes with a utility named "logresolve", which > is non-forking and too slow to be of any use. A much > faster alternative named "ip2host" is available from: > > http://olympia2.adhost.com/~maurice/scripts/ip2host > > Michael Any readme for that script? I am not sure if I am calling it right and I am also getting a tie error when i run it... ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ ____________________________ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dan at iexposure.com Thu Sep 21 11:39:29 2000 From: dan at iexposure.com (Dan Pietrusa) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21514] FW: Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: Dan Pietrusa [mailto:dan@iexposure.com] Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 11:39 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: I am currrently having a problem with 1 user's pop account locking up frequently. Every time he tries to access his email, his account locks, and I have to remove the .user.pop file. His mailbox is quite full, so I renamed it and created a new mailbox with only i message in it, but this didn't help. later i noticed a file named BOGUS.user.HuxD in teh directory that holds his pop account. It was 0 bytes, so I blasted it. This has not helped, as his account is still locking up. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jrsmit2 at uswest.com Thu Sep 21 11:46:26 2000 From: jrsmit2 at uswest.com (jrsmit2@uswest.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21515] Newest "Stable" Kernel Message-ID: www.linuxHQ.com tells me that there's a 2.2.17 out there, but I only see 2.2.15 on ftp.us.kernel.org Is the us mirror that behind? Jer --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Sep 21 11:49:48 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21515] Newest "Stable" Kernel In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Thu, 21 Sep 2000 jrsmit2@uswest.com wrote: > www.linuxHQ.com tells me that there's a 2.2.17 out there, but I only see > 2.2.15 on ftp.us.kernel.org > > Is the us mirror that behind? It's round-robinned, so you might've gotten a bad mirror. Try connecting again, it should connect you to a different host. -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From john1536 at tc.umn.edu Thu Sep 21 11:57:34 2000 From: john1536 at tc.umn.edu (Troy A. Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21512] Samba died References: Message-ID: <39CA3DFE.93EE80FF@tc.umn.edu> Tim, You might try this if you know samba is actually running.x http://us4.samba.org/samba/ftp/tcpdump-smb/ Or you might nmap ports 137-139 on it to see if the are active. HTH, Troy Timothy Wilson wrote: > > Hey everyone, > > Something very strange happened the other day to my Debian server. > > I walked back to my desk after class and discovered that my screensaver > wouldn't clear. It turns out that the dept. file server was turned off. :-( > I have no idea why. Perhaps someone pushed the button (it sits back in one > of our stockrooms). Perhaps some weird hardware or power failure. > > I rebooted the machine and everything seemed fine. But now samba doesn't > work. My colleagues who use Win95 can't access their directories on the > server. I use NFS and I'm not having any trouble at all. > > I originally had samba running from inetd, but I reconfigured it to run as a > daemon. It seems like samba just isn't answering requests. Any ideas about > how I can diagnose this problem? I'm stumped. > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Troy Johnson mailto:john1536@tc.umn.edu http://umn.edu/~john1536/ I woke up this morning and couldn't find my socks, so I called information. She said they were behind the couch. She was right. -- Stephen Wright --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ehillman at cccu.com Thu Sep 21 12:45:20 2000 From: ehillman at cccu.com (Eric Hillman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:21497] Re: Apache log problems... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000101c023f3$b64abbb0$0162a8c0@cccu.com> > > > Apache comes with a utility named "logresolve", which > > is non-forking and too slow to be of any use. A much > > faster alternative named "ip2host" is available from: > > > > http://olympia2.adhost.com/~maurice/scripts/ip2host > > > > Michael > Dunno if anybody's already mentioned this, but the log analyser "webalizer" (http://www.mrunix.net/webalizer) comes with a forking DNS resolver called "webazolver". There's some bugs in the 2.0 pre-release version, though, so you might want to get the older version until that's resolved. (The author says hopefully he'll have it worked out by sometime next month). --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at usinternet.com Thu Sep 21 13:40:16 2000 From: blutgens at usinternet.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21519] apache URL problem Message-ID: <20000921134016.A3296@ares.usinternet.com> Hi all, I am using apache and would like the addresses rewritten. When a person types http://www.globalfilesystem.org into thier location bar I want the seemlessly directed to http://www.sistina.com/gfs/ and have it show up thusly in the location bar. Right now we are using a redirect document as a "quick fix" but it's very irritating when you can't back out. What I am trying is the following in my httpd.conf with the mod_rewrite RewriteEngine on RewriteLog "/var/log/apache/rewrite.log" RewriteLogLevel 1 RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} !^www\.globalfilesystem\.org\ [NC] RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} !^$ RewriteRule ^/(.*) http://www.sistina.com/gfs/ [L,R] The docs on the apache.org and the modules' website are sketchy and I am not very good with regexps. If someone has done this before I cauold sure use a few pointers. Thanks. -- Ben Lutgens Work: 612.379.5941 Cell: 612.670.4789 Home: 651.703.9541 Systems Administrator Sistina Software Inc. http://www.globalfilesystem.org/ Internet Explorer (n): Another bug, that is, a feature that can't be turned off, in Windows. See also: monopoly. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jon.erickson at neicoltech.org Thu Sep 21 13:55:45 2000 From: jon.erickson at neicoltech.org (Jonathan Erickson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21512] Samba died In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20000921.18554576@dev.neicoltech.org> On 9/21/00, 11:29:04 AM, Timothy Wilson wrote regarding [TCLUG:21512] Samba died: > I originally had samba running from inetd, but I reconfigured it to run as a > daemon. It seems like samba just isn't answering requests. Any ideas about > how I can diagnose this problem? I'm stumped. Have you tried using the program smbstatus to check the server? Also, have you tried the smbclient on the server to see if you can connect with a client other than Windows? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mjn at umn.edu Thu Sep 21 14:01:24 2000 From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:21497] Re: Apache log problems... In-Reply-To: <000101c023f3$b64abbb0$0162a8c0@cccu.com> Message-ID: > Dunno if anybody's already mentioned this, but the log analyser "webalizer" > (http://www.mrunix.net/webalizer) comes with a forking DNS resolver called > "webazolver". There's some bugs in the 2.0 pre-release version, though, so you > might want to get the older version until that's resolved. (The author says > hopefully he'll have it worked out by sometime next month). > I actually tried installing webalizer first. Kept getting gdImagePng errors when i tried running it so I gave up. Is webazolver a separate piece of webalizer? ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ ____________________________ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From wilson at visi.com Thu Sep 21 14:34:11 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21519] apache URL problem In-Reply-To: <20000921134016.A3296@ares.usinternet.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, Ben Lutgens wrote: > When a person types http://www.globalfilesystem.org into thier location bar I > want the seemlessly directed to http://www.sistina.com/gfs/ and have it show > up thusly in the location bar. Right now we are using a redirect document as a > "quick fix" but it's very irritating when you can't back out. I think you're looking for ProxyPass. Should be in the docs. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From clay at fandre.com Thu Sep 21 16:04:57 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21512] Samba died References: <20000921.18554576@dev.neicoltech.org> Message-ID: <39CA77F9.E0774056@fandre.com> Jonathan Erickson wrote: > > On 9/21/00, 11:29:04 AM, Timothy Wilson wrote regarding > [TCLUG:21512] Samba died: > > > I originally had samba running from inetd, but I reconfigured it to run > as a > > daemon. It seems like samba just isn't answering requests. Any ideas > about > > how I can diagnose this problem? I'm stumped. > > Have you tried using the program smbstatus to check the server? Also, > have you tried the smbclient on the server to see if you can connect with > a client other than Windows? smbclient -L localhost (from server) smbclient -L sambaserver (from client) Also, check the log files. -- Collective Technologies | Clay Fandre, cfandre@colltech.com A Pencom Company | Cell : (612) 719-4179 http://www.colltech.com | Pager: 1-800-946-4646 x1425289 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From clay at fandre.com Thu Sep 21 16:11:52 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21524] Help Net Security - Articles - Message-ID: <39CA7998.3C7B893@fandre.com> If you are new to Linux (or not) and have a Linux box connected to the internet, please read these. http://www.net-security.org/text/articles/srh.shtml http://rootprompt.org/article.php3?article=922 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Thu Sep 21 16:16:30 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21519] apache URL problem In-Reply-To: <20000921134016.A3296@ares.usinternet.com>; from blutgens@usinternet.com on Thu, Sep 21, 2000 at 01:40:16PM -0500 References: <20000921134016.A3296@ares.usinternet.com> Message-ID: <20000921161630.A3524@ringworld.org> --- cut here/ index.php --- -- cut here / index.php -- Thats one way to do it, I think apache has a Header module too. You can probally do it like this in a shell script --- cut here / some shell script --- #!/usr/bin/tcsh echo "Content-type: text/html" echo "location: http://www.sistina.com/gfs/" echo "" --- cut here --- Actually, the last one works great, see http://www.ringworld.org/~dieman/cgi-bin/test.cgi * Ben Lutgens [000921 13:40]: > Hi all, I am using apache and would like the addresses rewritten. > > When a person types http://www.globalfilesystem.org into thier location bar I > want the seemlessly directed to http://www.sistina.com/gfs/ and have it show > up thusly in the location bar. Right now we are using a redirect document as a > "quick fix" but it's very irritating when you can't back out. > > What I am trying is the following in my httpd.conf with the mod_rewrite > RewriteEngine on > RewriteLog "/var/log/apache/rewrite.log" > RewriteLogLevel 1 > > RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} !^www\.globalfilesystem\.org\ [NC] > RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} !^$ > RewriteRule ^/(.*) http://www.sistina.com/gfs/ [L,R] > > The docs on the apache.org and the modules' website are sketchy and I am not > very good with regexps. If someone has done this before I cauold sure use a > few pointers. Thanks. > -- > Ben Lutgens Work: 612.379.5941 Cell: 612.670.4789 Home: 651.703.9541 > Systems Administrator Sistina Software Inc. http://www.globalfilesystem.org/ > > Internet Explorer (n): Another bug, that is, a feature that can't be turned > off, in Windows. 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Why isn't there a 'Server' or 'Workgroup' entry? I didn't see anything unusual in the logs. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tobytoo at black-hole.com Thu Sep 21 19:02:28 2000 From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (Brian T) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21527] Reloading Message-ID: <39CAA194.1120AFCA@black-hole.com> a quick question, my netware ate my win98, if I reload win 98 can I boot into linux with my original boot disk and rebuild lilo without having to reload linux? I know it's silly question but I've had trouble doing that before. -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From clay at fandre.com Thu Sep 21 19:42:29 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21512] Samba died References: Message-ID: <39CAAAF5.C98D2F7B@fandre.com> Timothy Wilson wrote: > > On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > smbclient -L localhost (from server) > > Here's what I got: > > wilsont@thales:~$ smbclient -L localhost > added interface ip=10.22.6.1 bcast=10.22.255.255 nmask=255.255.0.0 > Password: > Domain=[SCIENCE] OS=[Unix] Server=[Samba 2.0.7] > > Sharename Type Comment > --------- ---- ------- > atlas Disk ATLAS shared directory > IPC$ IPC IPC Service (thales server (Samba 2.0.7)) > hp4000 Printer lp > wilsont Disk Home Directories > > Server Comment > --------- ------- > > Workgroup Master > --------- ------- > > See anything fishy there? Why isn't there a 'Server' or 'Workgroup' entry? I > didn't see anything unusual in the logs. > Try to connect to a share with smbclient. smbclient //localhost/atlas --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Sep 21 20:28:05 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21506] Unable to execute script References: <39CA1135.FE9BF6CC@mn.uswest.net> Message-ID: <39CAB5A5.EEC85ED7@tc.umn.edu> Perry Hoekstra wrote: > > Greet the sun all: > > I have an install script on a CD-ROM that I am unable to execute. An > shows the following: > > -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root 686 Apr 26 21:15 runInstaller > > When I try to execute the script (as root), I get a: > > bash: ./runInstaller: Permission denied > > Can I do anything in order to run the script? Well, you can always do `sh runInstaller' ;-) For some reason, I suspect that a `noexec' flag is getting set when you mount the filesystem. If you have `user' as one of the extra options in /etc/fstab, that would probably do it. You can probably get around it by adding on an `exec' (as opposed to `noexec') to the list of options. I'm working my way back from the dead -- been busy and/or sick for over a month.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I got a garage door / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ opener. It can't close. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) Just open. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Sep 21 20:30:31 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21512] Samba died References: Message-ID: <39CAB637.2B22F6E7@tc.umn.edu> Timothy Wilson wrote: > > Domain=[SCIENCE] OS=[Unix] Server=[Samba 2.0.7] > > Sharename Type Comment > --------- ---- ------- > atlas Disk ATLAS shared directory > IPC$ IPC IPC Service (thales server (Samba 2.0.7)) > hp4000 Printer lp > wilsont Disk Home Directories > > Server Comment > --------- ------- > > Workgroup Master > --------- ------- > > See anything fishy there? Why isn't there a 'Server' or 'Workgroup' entry? I > didn't see anything unusual in the logs. I suppose you may be missing `nmbd', which handles the hostname<->IP negotiation (a cheapo DNS, basically). Make sure that's running.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ (A)bort, (R)etry, / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ (I)nfluence with large \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) hammer [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Sep 21 20:40:30 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21519] apache URL problem References: <20000921134016.A3296@ares.usinternet.com> Message-ID: <39CAB88E.97A4CC37@tc.umn.edu> Ben Lutgens wrote: > > Hi all, I am using apache and would like the addresses rewritten. > > When a person types http://www.globalfilesystem.org into thier location bar I > want the seemlessly directed to http://www.sistina.com/gfs/ and have it show > up thusly in the location bar. Right now we are using a redirect document as a > "quick fix" but it's very irritating when you can't back out. I usually use a .htaccess file. You could do something like Redirect / http://www.sistina.com/gfs/ which should do the redirection you're looking for. The question becomes, do you want sub-paths to be automatically redirected as well? I think this should work as I showed above. Type in `http://www.globalfilesystem.org/path/to/blah', and I think you will get redirected to `http://www.sistina.com/gfs/path/to/blah'. At any rate, you may want/need to set up a nice 404 document, which you can specify with the `ErrorDocument' directive: ErrorDocument 404 /gfs/path/to/fourohfour.html -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Roads? Where we're / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ going, we don't need \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) roads. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From sextus at visi.com Thu Sep 21 22:26:29 2000 From: sextus at visi.com (Michael Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21532] Re: Apache log problems... Message-ID: <20000921222629.C28116@visi.com> mjn: > > Apache comes with a utility named "logresolve", which > > is non-forking and too slow to be of any use. A much > > faster alternative named "ip2host" is available from: > > > > http://olympia2.adhost.com/~maurice/scripts/ip2host > > > > Michael > > Any readme for that script? I am not sure if I am calling it right and I > am also getting a tie error when i run it... Type 'grep \^# ip2host'. What tie error do you get when you run the script? -- Michael --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From pope at ossuary.net Thu Sep 21 22:39:16 2000 From: pope at ossuary.net (Scott) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21533] pci video cards Message-ID: My older K6 box is in need of some better video capabilities, namely 1280x1024 @ at least 16-bit. The limiting factor in finding a decent card for this is that there isn't an agp slot, only pci and isa. I could pick up a 32mb CL 3D Blaster for $80, but that seems like a waste of money. Is there a decent source around the MSP area for 8-16mb pci cards for prices which aren't absurd? Scott -- ossuary.net -- "Only dead girls like me." -Voltaire --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From wilson at visi.com Thu Sep 21 23:00:46 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21512] Samba died In-Reply-To: <39CAB637.2B22F6E7@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, Mike Hicks wrote: > I suppose you may be missing `nmbd', which handles the hostname<->IP > negotiation (a cheapo DNS, basically). Make sure that's running.. I was able to connect using smbclient with no trouble. Interestingly, there is no nmbd daemon running. I did a /etc/init.d/samba stop followed by /etc/init.d/samba start, and the system reported that it had started the smbd and nmbd daemons, but ps only shows smbd. Hmmmm. Starting is manually doesn't seem to work either. Anybody know why nmbd would refuse to run? -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From labmat at earthlink.net Thu Sep 21 23:16:12 2000 From: labmat at earthlink.net (Matthew LaBerge) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:21533] pci video cards In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Check out General Nanosystems, I don't usually refer people to that store (Tran Micro has a better atmosphere and nice people) I looked on their web page and the have a trident 4meg PCI for $35. http://www.nanosys1.com ______________________ Matthew LaBerge labmat@earthlink.net -----Original Message----- From: Scott [mailto:pope@ossuary.net] Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 10:39 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG:21533] pci video cards My older K6 box is in need of some better video capabilities, namely 1280x1024 @ at least 16-bit. The limiting factor in finding a decent card for this is that there isn't an agp slot, only pci and isa. I could pick up a 32mb CL 3D Blaster for $80, but that seems like a waste of money. Is there a decent source around the MSP area for 8-16mb pci cards for prices which aren't absurd? Scott -- ossuary.net -- "Only dead girls like me." -Voltaire --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jcook at k-lug.com Thu Sep 21 23:20:22 2000 From: jcook at k-lug.com (Cook, Justin S.) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21536] dhcpcd Message-ID: <000a01c0244c$6dd58c80$3711020a@winona.msus.edu> Hey, I'm having a small problem. My school(Winona State) is running their network with DHCP. Now, I log on to my linux laptop, do a good ole 'dhcpcd -d &' and eth0 comes up, i'm happy, until i find there is not inet address set. So i look in the logs and dhcpcd says its timing out waiting for server replys...i find this odd...so i set the old rfc compliancy flag, and do a number of other flags, etc...nothing. Network card is good. there's a link, just no net configs coming in. Under windows I'm set to use dhcp, and it works fine...i see the ip of my dhcp server, and i have 2 WINS servers set and all that jazz, but i'm not exactly sure what the problem is, other then a badly configured dhcp server...any thoughts/ideas/solutions? Thanks. PS: yes ive used dhcpcd under linux before, and yes it worked then, ive updated the files, even reinstalled...no good. --justin --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Sep 21 23:29:08 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21527] Reloading In-Reply-To: <39CAA194.1120AFCA@black-hole.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, Brian T wrote: > a quick question, my netware ate my win98, if I reload win 98 can I boot > into linux with my original boot disk and rebuild lilo without having to > reload linux? I know it's silly question but I've had trouble doing > that before. You should have no problem. As long as you can get to a Linux prompt and it can see your HDDs. You have to mount your / and /boot (if you have one), and run lilo with the -r parameter. For example, assuming your / was /dev/hda5 and /boot is /dev/hda1: # mkdir /mnt2 (RedHat bootdisks put important stuff in /mnt) # mount /dev/hda5 /mnt2 # mount /dev/hda1 /mnt2/boot # /mnt2/sbin/lilo -r /mnt Added Linux * Added Doze # umount /mnt2/boot # umount /mnt2 ... and the reboot. Apologies in advance if you already knew all this (; -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From clay at fandre.com Fri Sep 22 00:34:54 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21512] Samba died References: Message-ID: <39CAEF7E.3693B804@fandre.com> Timothy Wilson wrote: > > On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, Mike Hicks wrote: > > > I suppose you may be missing `nmbd', which handles the hostname<->IP > > negotiation (a cheapo DNS, basically). Make sure that's running.. > > I was able to connect using smbclient with no trouble. Interestingly, there > is no nmbd daemon running. I did a /etc/init.d/samba stop followed by > /etc/init.d/samba start, and the system reported that it had started the > smbd and nmbd daemons, but ps only shows smbd. Hmmmm. Starting is manually > doesn't seem to work either. Anybody know why nmbd would refuse to run? Is there anything in the nmbd log? (usually /var/log/samba/log.nmbd) Did you change anything in your smb.conf file recently? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From wilson at visi.com Fri Sep 22 00:42:40 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21512] Samba died In-Reply-To: <39CAEF7E.3693B804@fandre.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 22 Sep 2000, Clay Fandre wrote: > Is there anything in the nmbd log? (usually /var/log/samba/log.nmbd) Aha! thales:/var/log# tail -f nmb [2000/09/21 22:54:53, 1] nmbd/nmbd.c:main(757) Netbios nameserver version 2.0.7 started. Copyright Andrew Tridgell 1994-1998 [2000/09/21 22:54:53, 0] nmbd/nmbd.c:reload_services(297) ERROR: both 'wins support = true' and 'wins server = ' cannot be set in the smb.conf file. nmbd aborting. [2000/09/21 22:56:34, 1] nmbd/nmbd.c:main(757) Netbios nameserver version 2.0.7 started. Copyright Andrew Tridgell 1994-1998 [2000/09/21 22:56:34, 0] nmbd/nmbd.c:reload_services(297) ERROR: both 'wins support = true' and 'wins server = ' cannot be set in the smb.conf file. nmbd aborting. > Did you change anything in your smb.conf file recently? I'll have to dig around in smb.conf a bit. What's weird is that I haven't changed anything lately. Restarting the machine must have initiated some change that I'd made inadvertently at some point in the past. Thanks for the assist. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Fri Sep 22 07:13:23 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21536] dhcpcd In-Reply-To: <000a01c0244c$6dd58c80$3711020a@winona.msus.edu> Message-ID: I've heard reports that Microsoft's dhcp server doesn't work well with the ISC DHCP clients (which are the standard). Now I know that there's no way that Microsoft would ever intentionally break any of their products so they don't work with non-MS software (yeah right!)... Is winona state using MS DHCP server or the ISP server? Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, Cook, Justin S. wrote: > Hey, > > I'm having a small problem. My school(Winona State) is running their network > with DHCP. Now, I log on to my linux laptop, do a good ole 'dhcpcd -d &' and > eth0 comes up, i'm happy, until i find there is not inet address set. So i > look in the logs and dhcpcd says its timing out waiting for server > replys...i find this odd...so i set the old rfc compliancy flag, and do a > number of other flags, etc...nothing. Network card is good. there's a link, > just no net configs coming in. Under windows I'm set to use dhcp, and it > works fine...i see the ip of my dhcp server, and i have 2 WINS servers set > and all that jazz, but i'm not exactly sure what the problem is, other then > a badly configured dhcp server...any thoughts/ideas/solutions? Thanks. > > PS: yes ive used dhcpcd under linux before, and yes it worked then, ive > updated the files, even reinstalled...no good. > > --justin > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mjn at umn.edu Fri Sep 22 08:57:57 2000 From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21532] Re: Apache log problems... In-Reply-To: <20000921222629.C28116@visi.com> Message-ID: > > Any readme for that script? I am not sure if I am calling it right and I > > am also getting a tie error when i run it... > > Type 'grep \^# ip2host'. What tie error do you get when you run the script? > I mailed Maurice and he helped me out. The script syntax in the comments of it are something like: ./ip2host [cache_file] < infile > outfile The brackets and the <> threw me for a loop. The syntax, without a cache DB, is: ./ip2host < /var/log/httpd/access_log > outfile I was just dumb. :) ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/ ____________________________ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mike.haarman at merrillcorp.com Fri Sep 22 09:14:53 2000 From: mike.haarman at merrillcorp.com (mike.haarman@merrillcorp.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21542] Coppermine and Linux Message-ID: TWIMC, >I just got a coppermine based laptop (hyperdata) that won't boot linux without disabling the L2 >cache. I've tried RH 6.2, RH 6.9 and Debian 2.4 (slink). I experienced the same symptoms with an older laptop (P-133) running Slink. The cause was a problem with the kernel images, a difficulty expanding a bzimage kernel, which is the standard for debian since slink due to the quantity of drivers in the default kernel. Using the zimages enabled me to get it loaded and running. This may well be a case of coincidentally similar symptoms, however. I don't know if RH is using bz compression on their installation images. Just tossing out another possibility. scripsi, Mike Haarman --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Fri Sep 22 09:25:10 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21543] .forward Message-ID: <39CB6BC6.B708D420@ltiflex.com> Anyone know if it's possible to put more than one action in .forward? IE, I'd like to have it send the message through vacation as well as forward the message to another user. Right now I have procmail handling the forward, just worndering if it could all be done in one place. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mkroska at readynetgo.com Fri Sep 22 09:29:26 2000 From: mkroska at readynetgo.com (Mark K) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21543] .forward In-Reply-To: <39CB6BC6.B708D420@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: Yup, that will work, like this: --.forward-- email@account1.com |/piped/bin/command localaccount (sendmail knows not to loop it repeatedly) (any combination of commands, each on a line, in the user's home dir) Mark On Fri, 22 Sep 2000, Andy Zbikowski wrote: > Anyone know if it's possible to put more than one action in .forward? IE, > I'd like to have it send the message through vacation as well as forward the > message to another user. Right now I have procmail handling the forward, > just worndering if it could all be done in one place. > > -- ________________________________________________________ ReadyNET Go!, Inc. - Building your Business on the net ________________________________________________________ Mark J. Kroska MIS Director 320.656.0765 Voice 888.447.3239 Toll Free 320.203.7052 Fax http://www.readynetgo.com mailto:mkroska@readynetgo.com ________________________________________________________ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Fri Sep 22 09:41:31 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21543] .forward In-Reply-To: ; from mkroska@readynetgo.com on Fri, Sep 22, 2000 at 09:29:26AM -0500 References: <39CB6BC6.B708D420@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <20000922094131.D1325@sorry.cs.umn.edu> One caveat here: You'll need to make sure that sendmail is configured to allow people to run arbitrary commands out of .forward. By default, sendmail is not configured to do this (for obvious security reasons). Gabe On Fri, Sep 22, 2000 at 09:29:26AM -0500, Mark K wrote: > > Yup, that will work, like this: > > --.forward-- > email@account1.com > |/piped/bin/command > localaccount (sendmail knows not to loop it repeatedly) > > (any combination of commands, each on a line, in the user's home dir) > > Mark > > On Fri, 22 Sep 2000, Andy Zbikowski wrote: > > > Anyone know if it's possible to put more than one action in .forward? IE, > > I'd like to have it send the message through vacation as well as forward the > > message to another user. Right now I have procmail handling the forward, > > just worndering if it could all be done in one place. > > > > > > -- > ________________________________________________________ > ReadyNET Go!, Inc. - Building your Business on the net > ________________________________________________________ > > Mark J. Kroska > MIS Director > > 320.656.0765 Voice > 888.447.3239 Toll Free > 320.203.7052 Fax > http://www.readynetgo.com > mailto:mkroska@readynetgo.com > ________________________________________________________ > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "YOU _GAVE_AWAY_ $47 MILLION DOLLARS?? You fat, bloated eediot!" - Ren Hoek in "Stimpy's Big Day" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chuck at milams.net Fri Sep 22 09:50:31 2000 From: chuck at milams.net (Chuck Milam) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21536] dhcpcd In-Reply-To: <000a01c0244c$6dd58c80$3711020a@winona.msus.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, Cook, Justin S. wrote: > I'm having a small problem. My school(Winona State) is running their > network with DHCP. Now, I log on to my linux laptop, do a good ole > 'dhcpcd -d &' and eth0 comes up, i'm happy, until i find there is not > inet address set... Take a look at pump. I've found it to be a bit more cooperative than dhcpcd. Now, I realize not everyone runs Red Hat, but it does come with the later distributions: # rpm -qi pump Name : pump Relocations: (not relocateable) Version : 0.7.8 Vendor: Red Hat, Inc. Release : 1 Build Date: Tue 15 Feb 2000 04:12:40 PM EST Install date: Mon 24 Jul 2000 02:37:04 PM EDT Build Host: porky.devel.redhat.com Group : System Environment/Daemons Source RPM: pump-0.7.8-1.src.rpm Size : 83582 License: MIT Packager : Red Hat, Inc. Summary : A Bootp and DHCP client for automatic IP configuration. Description : DHCP (Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol) and BOOTP (Boot Protocol) are protocols which allow individual devices on an IP network to get their own network configuration information (IP address, subnetmask, broadcast address, etc.) from network servers. The overall purpose of DHCP and BOOTP is to make it easier to administer a large network. Pump is a combined BOOTP and DHCP client daemon, which allows your machine to retrieve configuration information from a server. You should install this package if you are on a network which uses BOOTP or DHCP. -- Chuck Milam chuck@milams.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Fri Sep 22 10:07:30 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21543] .forward References: <39CB6BC6.B708D420@ltiflex.com> <20000922094131.D1325@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <39CB75B2.3233FD1@ltiflex.com> dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > > One caveat here: You'll need to make sure that sendmail is configured to > allow people to run arbitrary commands out of .forward. By default, > sendmail is not configured to do this (for obvious security reasons). > Yup, but I'm not gonna worry much about it. It actually was working, but the time on the mail server is a bit off from my system time, so messages were showing up before the ten messages I've recived this morning. Scroll down, and there they were. Sendmail is configured to run vacation and sendmail out or .forward, and that's all I need. =) -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Fri Sep 22 11:45:17 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21536] dhcpcd References: Message-ID: <39CB8C9D.4ABB49B1@ltiflex.com> I've been working on win2k the past few weeks, and dhcpcd has always gotten an IP from the win2k box. Does you school require you to register or any other BS like that, not realizing that the computer world isn't all mac and windows? -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Fri Sep 22 12:01:43 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21536] dhcpcd In-Reply-To: <39CB8C9D.4ABB49B1@ltiflex.com>; from andyzb@ltiflex.com on Fri, Sep 22, 2000 at 11:45:17AM -0500 References: <39CB8C9D.4ABB49B1@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <20000922120143.V14241@real-time.com> > I've been working on win2k the past few weeks, and dhcpcd has always gotten > an IP from the win2k box. Does you school require you to register or any > other BS like that, not realizing that the computer world isn't all mac and > windows? one of the advanced CS labs had dual-boot linux boxen when I was there (probably kernel 1.3 machines... I barely knew what Linux was at the time so I didn't know) a few years ago. they aren't friendly to linux on the school-supplied laptops, tho. (so people tell me). Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jcook at k-lug.com Fri Sep 22 12:11:21 2000 From: jcook at k-lug.com (Cook, Justin S.) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21536] dhcpcd References: Message-ID: <008401c024b8$20ea9200$3711020a@winona.msus.edu> [snip] You should install this package if you are on a network which uses BOOTP or DHCP. [/snip] I tried pump to, as well as just bootp to no avail. [snip] Is winona state using MS DHCP server or the ISP server? [/snip] this is a good question...but i believe Winona runs it's own DHCP server. Which i would now put money on it an NT box. [snip] Does you school require you to register or any other BS like that, not realizing that the computer world isn't all mac and windows? [/snip] I don't *believe* so. I'd ask tech support, but they barley handle windows problems, I'm going to see if I can't email the main tech, or see if I can find someone else using a *nix variant, tho after searching upon searching, I found no one. damn i miss bitchx --justin ----- Original Message ----- From: Chuck Milam To: Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21536] dhcpcd > > On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, Cook, Justin S. wrote: > > > I'm having a small problem. My school(Winona State) is running their > > network with DHCP. Now, I log on to my linux laptop, do a good ole > > 'dhcpcd -d &' and eth0 comes up, i'm happy, until i find there is not > > inet address set... > > Take a look at pump. I've found it to be a bit more cooperative than > dhcpcd. > > Now, I realize not everyone runs Red Hat, but it does come with the later > distributions: > > # rpm -qi pump > Name : pump Relocations: (not relocateable) > Version : 0.7.8 Vendor: Red Hat, Inc. > Release : 1 Build Date: Tue 15 Feb 2000 > 04:12:40 PM EST > Install date: Mon 24 Jul 2000 02:37:04 PM EDT Build > Host: porky.devel.redhat.com > Group : System Environment/Daemons Source > RPM: pump-0.7.8-1.src.rpm > Size : 83582 License: MIT > Packager : Red Hat, Inc. > Summary : A Bootp and DHCP client for automatic IP configuration. > Description : > DHCP (Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol) and BOOTP (Boot Protocol) > are protocols which allow individual devices on an IP network to get > their own network configuration information (IP address, subnetmask, > broadcast address, etc.) from network servers. The overall purpose of > DHCP and BOOTP is to make it easier to administer a large network. > > Pump is a combined BOOTP and DHCP client daemon, which allows your > machine to retrieve configuration information from a server. You > should install this package if you are on a network which uses BOOTP > or DHCP. > > -- > Chuck Milam > chuck@milams.net > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jasonj at innominatus.com Fri Sep 22 13:08:11 2000 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21536] dhcpcd References: <008401c024b8$20ea9200$3711020a@winona.msus.edu> Message-ID: <39CBA00B.46CB2C4A@innominatus.com> I know the Morris campus of the University of Minnesota has every MAC Address of every ethernet card there. If they dont know your MAC you dont get access. "Cook, Justin S." wrote: > [snip] > You should install this package if you are on a network which uses BOOTP or > DHCP. > [/snip] > > I tried pump to, as well as just bootp to no avail. > > [snip] > Is winona state using MS DHCP server or the ISP server? > [/snip] > > this is a good question...but i believe Winona runs it's own DHCP server. > Which i would now put money on it an NT box. > > [snip] > Does you school require you to register or any > other BS like that, not realizing that the computer world isn't all mac and > windows? > [/snip] > > I don't *believe* so. I'd ask tech support, but they barley handle windows > problems, I'm going to see if I can't email the main tech, or see if I can > find someone else using a *nix variant, tho after searching upon searching, > I found no one. > > damn i miss bitchx > > --justin > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chuck Milam > To: > Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 9:50 AM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21536] dhcpcd > > > > > On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, Cook, Justin S. wrote: > > > > > I'm having a small problem. My school(Winona State) is running their > > > network with DHCP. Now, I log on to my linux laptop, do a good ole > > > 'dhcpcd -d &' and eth0 comes up, i'm happy, until i find there is not > > > inet address set... > > > > Take a look at pump. I've found it to be a bit more cooperative than > > dhcpcd. > > > > Now, I realize not everyone runs Red Hat, but it does come with the later > > distributions: > > > > # rpm -qi pump > > Name : pump Relocations: (not relocateable) > > Version : 0.7.8 Vendor: Red Hat, Inc. > > Release : 1 Build Date: Tue 15 Feb 2000 > > 04:12:40 PM EST > > Install date: Mon 24 Jul 2000 02:37:04 PM EDT Build > > Host: porky.devel.redhat.com > > Group : System Environment/Daemons Source > > RPM: pump-0.7.8-1.src.rpm > > Size : 83582 License: MIT > > Packager : Red Hat, Inc. > > Summary : A Bootp and DHCP client for automatic IP configuration. > > Description : > > DHCP (Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol) and BOOTP (Boot Protocol) > > are protocols which allow individual devices on an IP network to get > > their own network configuration information (IP address, subnetmask, > > broadcast address, etc.) from network servers. The overall purpose of > > DHCP and BOOTP is to make it easier to administer a large network. > > > > Pump is a combined BOOTP and DHCP client daemon, which allows your > > machine to retrieve configuration information from a server. You > > should install this package if you are on a network which uses BOOTP > > or DHCP. > > > > -- > > Chuck Milam > > chuck@milams.net > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jcook at k-lug.com Fri Sep 22 16:09:27 2000 From: jcook at k-lug.com (Cook, Justin S.) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21536] dhcpcd References: <008401c024b8$20ea9200$3711020a@winona.msus.edu> <39CBA00B.46CB2C4A@innominatus.com> Message-ID: <00d701c024d9$6467c7c0$3711020a@winona.msus.edu> well the problem there is, windows works fine. and i dont have a card registered to them. Good thought tho, thanks. --justin ----- Original Message ----- From: Jason J To: Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21536] dhcpcd > I know the Morris campus of the University of Minnesota has every MAC Address of > every ethernet card there. If they dont know your MAC you dont get access. > > > > "Cook, Justin S." wrote: > > > [snip] > > You should install this package if you are on a network which uses BOOTP or > > DHCP. > > [/snip] > > > > I tried pump to, as well as just bootp to no avail. > > > > [snip] > > Is winona state using MS DHCP server or the ISP server? > > [/snip] > > > > this is a good question...but i believe Winona runs it's own DHCP server. > > Which i would now put money on it an NT box. > > > > [snip] > > Does you school require you to register or any > > other BS like that, not realizing that the computer world isn't all mac and > > windows? > > [/snip] > > > > I don't *believe* so. I'd ask tech support, but they barley handle windows > > problems, I'm going to see if I can't email the main tech, or see if I can > > find someone else using a *nix variant, tho after searching upon searching, > > I found no one. > > > > damn i miss bitchx > > > > --justin > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Chuck Milam > > To: > > Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 9:50 AM > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21536] dhcpcd > > > > > > > > On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, Cook, Justin S. wrote: > > > > > > > I'm having a small problem. My school(Winona State) is running their > > > > network with DHCP. Now, I log on to my linux laptop, do a good ole > > > > 'dhcpcd -d &' and eth0 comes up, i'm happy, until i find there is not > > > > inet address set... > > > > > > Take a look at pump. I've found it to be a bit more cooperative than > > > dhcpcd. > > > > > > Now, I realize not everyone runs Red Hat, but it does come with the later > > > distributions: > > > > > > # rpm -qi pump > > > Name : pump Relocations: (not relocateable) > > > Version : 0.7.8 Vendor: Red Hat, Inc. > > > Release : 1 Build Date: Tue 15 Feb 2000 > > > 04:12:40 PM EST > > > Install date: Mon 24 Jul 2000 02:37:04 PM EDT Build > > > Host: porky.devel.redhat.com > > > Group : System Environment/Daemons Source > > > RPM: pump-0.7.8-1.src.rpm > > > Size : 83582 License: MIT > > > Packager : Red Hat, Inc. > > > Summary : A Bootp and DHCP client for automatic IP configuration. > > > Description : > > > DHCP (Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol) and BOOTP (Boot Protocol) > > > are protocols which allow individual devices on an IP network to get > > > their own network configuration information (IP address, subnetmask, > > > broadcast address, etc.) from network servers. The overall purpose of > > > DHCP and BOOTP is to make it easier to administer a large network. > > > > > > Pump is a combined BOOTP and DHCP client daemon, which allows your > > > machine to retrieve configuration information from a server. You > > > should install this package if you are on a network which uses BOOTP > > > or DHCP. > > > > > > -- > > > Chuck Milam > > > chuck@milams.net > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net Sat Sep 23 12:20:00 2000 From: jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21553] cdrom detected as hard drive Message-ID: Has anyone seen this happen before? I'm running kernel 2.2.17, using the aha152x for an AVA-1502 card. I've got 4 cd-roms plugged into it, all detect fine except for my Toshiba, it comes up as DIRECT-ACCESS and therefore Linux thinks it's a hard drive. The actual numbers: Toshiba CD-ROM XM-3401TA REV: 0283 -- Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net Sat Sep 23 13:57:05 2000 From: jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21553] cdrom detected as hard drive In-Reply-To: Jon Schewe's message of "23 Sep 2000 12:20:00 -0500" References: Message-ID: After a few hours of searching seems there's a "blacklist" in scsi.c that lists drives that don't report information correctly and what needs to be done to fix them. I just needed to add my cdrom drive to that list and it works. I've sent a patch off to the author of scsi.c. Jon Schewe writes: > Has anyone seen this happen before? I'm running kernel 2.2.17, using the > aha152x for an AVA-1502 card. I've got 4 cd-roms plugged into it, all detect > fine except for my Toshiba, it comes up as DIRECT-ACCESS and therefore Linux > thinks it's a hard drive. > > The actual numbers: > Toshiba CD-ROM XM-3401TA REV: 0283 > > -- > Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > -- Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Sat Sep 23 20:52:10 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21555] Matrimonial In-Reply-To: Message-ID: As a NANAE regular and a member of the lumber cartel (tinlc) (tm) I'd like to formally request that Realtime send me the relevant headers of this e-mail. My LART finger is twitching uncontrollably. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Sun, 24 Sep 2000, Aiswarya wrote: > Hello, > > > > We have pleasure to invite you to visit the biggest and fast growing Indian matrimonial website. > > http://www.Indiaoptions.com > > Placing advertisement with photo is free for a limited time. > > > We would appreciate if you can forward this email to friends and relatives who will be interested to visit Indiaoptions.com > > > With regards, > > The folks @ Indiaoptions.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From clay at fandre.com Sat Sep 23 22:00:48 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21557] Netscape mouse scrolling in debian Message-ID: <39CD6E60.7D42572F@fandre.com> I dual-boot my machine between RedHat and Debian with common home directories. In RH my mouse wheel scrolling works fine, but in Debian it doesn't. (And yes my mouse wheel scrolling works fine in everything else in debian) Anyone know why? Here's my .Xdefaults: !## NETSCAPE Netscape.Navigator.geometry: +100+0 Netscape.Mail.geometry: +100+0 Netscape*drawingArea.translations: #replace \ : ArmLink() \n\ : ArmLink() \n\ ~Shift: ActivateLink() \n\ ~Shift: ActivateLink(new-window) \ DisarmLink() \n\ Shift: ActivateLink(save-only) \ DisarmLink() \n\ Shift: ActivateLink(save-only) \ DisarmLink() \n\ : DisarmLinkIfMoved() \n\ : DisarmLinkIfMoved() \n\ : DisarmLinkIfMoved() \n\ : DescribeLink() \n\ : xfeDoPopup() \n\ : ActivatePopup() \n\ Ctrl: PageUp()\n\ Ctrl: PageDown()\n\ Shift: LineUp()\n\ Shift: LineDown()\n\ None: LineUp()LineUp()LineUp()LineUp()LineUp()LineUp()\n\ None: LineDown()LineDown()LineDown()LineDown()LineDown()LineDown()\n\ Alt: xfeDoCommand(forward)\n\ Alt: xfeDoCommand(back)\n Netscape*globalNonTextTranslations: #override\n\ Shift: LineUp()\n\ Shift: LineDown()\n\ None:LineUp()LineUp()LineUp()LineUp()LineUp()LineUp()\n\ None:LineDown()LineDown()LineDown()LineDown()LineDown()LineDown()\n\ Alt: xfeDoCommand(forward)\n\ Alt: xfeDoCommand(back)\n --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From clay at fandre.com Sat Sep 23 23:53:52 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21557] Netscape mouse scrolling in debian References: <39CD6E60.7D42572F@fandre.com> Message-ID: <39CD88E0.6979FA40@fandre.com> Clay Fandre wrote: > > I dual-boot my machine between RedHat and Debian with common home > directories. In RH my mouse wheel scrolling works fine, but in Debian it > doesn't. (And yes my mouse wheel scrolling works fine in everything else > in debian) Anyone know why? Here's my .Xdefaults: > Nevermind. I found the answer: http://www-sop.inria.fr/koala/colas/mouse-wheel-scroll/wwwboard/messages/467.html Instead of putting the netscape xdefaults info in ~/.Xdefaults, place it in a file called /etc/X11/Xresources/netscape --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at usinternet.com Sun Sep 24 00:27:30 2000 From: blutgens at usinternet.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21557] Netscape mouse scrolling in debian In-Reply-To: <39CD88E0.6979FA40@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Sat, Sep 23, 2000 at 11:53:52PM -0500 References: <39CD6E60.7D42572F@fandre.com> <39CD88E0.6979FA40@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20000924002730.A22122@ares.usinternet.com> On Sat, Sep 23, 2000 at 11:53:52PM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: >Clay Fandre wrote: >Instead of putting the netscape xdefaults info in ~/.Xdefaults, place it >in a file called /etc/X11/Xresources/netscape > Or in ~/.Xresources .Xdefaults is deprecated. -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From subb3 at attglobal.net Sun Sep 24 02:18:46 2000 From: subb3 at attglobal.net (Subba Rao) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21560] printcap settings and Windows printer Message-ID: <20000924071846.A27604@attglobal.net> Hello, I have installed a HP Deskjet printer on a Windows boxen which is networked to the Linux box. Currently my samba settings do allow Linux disk shares to be accessed from Windows. Before further dwelling into samba settings, the howto docs indicate that I have to complete the printcap settings. I have made the following entries in these files: --------------------------------------------------------------- /etc/printcap =============== # # Copyright (c) 1983 Regents of the University of California. # All rights reserved. # # @(#)etc.printcap 5.2 (Berkeley) 5/5/88 # # Remote Deskjet Printer connected to Windows lp|deskjet:\ :lp=:\ :sd=/var/spool/lpd/indra:\ :rm=windows.mydomain.com:\ :rp=deskjet:\ :sh:sf:mx#0:\ :pl#66:pw#80: /etc/hosts.lpd =============== # # hosts.lpd This file describes the names of the hosts which are # allowed to use the remote printer services of this # host. This file is used by the LPD subsystem. # windows # End of hosts.lpd. --------------------------------------------------------------- At this point, when I try to print a file to "deskjet" printer on "windows" I get the following output. $ lpr -Pdeskjet profile $ lpq -Pindra -l connection to windows.mydomain.com is down I can connect to the windows.mydomain.com box. It responds to ping requests. What other settings need to be done to be able to print to this deskjet printer connected to the Windows box? I would appreciate, if you could share your configuration information for a similar setup. Thank you in advance. Subba Rao subb3@attglobal.net http://pws.prserv.net/truemax/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mandar_v at yahoo.com Sun Sep 24 13:58:17 2000 From: mandar_v at yahoo.com (Mandar Vaze) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21561] Name resolution not working Message-ID: <20000924185817.10377.qmail@web217.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I just installed Mandrake 7.1 and my Name resolution is not working. I have uswest DSL service, so I have the primary/secondary nameservers' IP address in my /etc/resolve.conf My problem is when I do nslookup, it says "Can't find server name for " "Can't find server name for " "No response from default servers" I understand that apart from nameserver entries, I need to put 2 more entires in /etc/resolv.conf, domain and search. But since my machine is not visible from internet (Its DHCP assigned IP address is 10.0.0.2) I'm not sure what domain and search values to put there. Do I *have* to run local nameserver (named) in this case ? Thanks for any help. -Mandar __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From clay at fandre.com Sun Sep 24 14:29:48 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21561] Name resolution not working References: <20000924185817.10377.qmail@web217.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <39CE562C.1FA418FF@fandre.com> Mandar Vaze wrote: > > Hi, > I just installed Mandrake 7.1 and my Name resolution > is not working. I have uswest DSL service, so I have > the primary/secondary nameservers' IP address in > my /etc/resolve.conf My problem is when I do nslookup, > It should be /etc/resolv.conf, NOT /etc/resolve.conf. > it says > "Can't find server name for " > "Can't find server name for " > "No response from default servers" Can you ping the IP addresses of your name servers? Try root# nslookup - > > I understand that apart from nameserver entries, I > need to put 2 more entires in /etc/resolv.conf, > domain and search. But since my machine is not visible > from internet (Its DHCP assigned IP address is > 10.0.0.2) I'm not sure what domain and search values > to put there. Domain and search are not required. > > Do I *have* to run local nameserver (named) in this > case ? No. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Sun Sep 24 14:55:40 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21561] Name resolution not working In-Reply-To: <20000924185817.10377.qmail@web217.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: You shouldn't have to put the search domain in the resolv.conf, it just tells your local machine what domain to append to hostnames if you just specify a hostname and not a FQDN. nslookup isn't getting a response from the nameservers, so first see if you're firewalling off DNS (port 53 UDP/TCP I believe). If you don't think it's being firewalled try a different nameserver. 128.101.101.101 is U of M, 209.98.98.98 is VISI. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Sun, 24 Sep 2000, Mandar Vaze wrote: > Hi, > I just installed Mandrake 7.1 and my Name resolution > is not working. I have uswest DSL service, so I have > the primary/secondary nameservers' IP address in > my /etc/resolve.conf My problem is when I do nslookup, > > it says > "Can't find server name for " > "Can't find server name for " > "No response from default servers" > > I understand that apart from nameserver entries, I > need to put 2 more entires in /etc/resolv.conf, > domain and search. But since my machine is not visible > > from internet (Its DHCP assigned IP address is > 10.0.0.2) I'm not sure what domain and search values > to put there. > > Do I *have* to run local nameserver (named) in this > case ? > > Thanks for any help. > > -Mandar > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mandar_v at yahoo.com Sun Sep 24 17:45:52 2000 From: mandar_v at yahoo.com (Mandar Vaze) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21564] Re: Name resolution not working Message-ID: <20000924224552.16063.qmail@web213.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, Thanks clay and adam for suggestions. My machine can ping the nameserver. I also tried other nameserver Adam suggested still no luck. I don't haven't firewall on my linux machine yet. I'm using Cisco 675 to connect to internet. I don't think my router is blocking port 53, but I'm not sure how to confirm this. Here's the output : ------------------------------------------------------ [mandar@omega /etc]$ cat resolv.conf nameserver 204.147.80.1 nameserver 204.147.80.5 [mandar@omega /etc]$ nslookup - 204.147.80.1 *** Can't find server name for address 204.147.80.1: No response from server *** Default servers are not available [mandar@omega /etc]$ man nslookup [mandar@omega /etc]$ ping 204.147.80.1 PING 204.147.80.1 (204.147.80.1): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 204.147.80.1: icmp_seq=0 ttl=251 time=36.3 ms 64 bytes from 204.147.80.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=251 time=29.9 ms 64 bytes from 204.147.80.1: icmp_seq=2 ttl=251 time=30.3 ms --- 204.147.80.1 ping statistics --- 3 packets transmitted, 3 packets received, 0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max = 29.9/32.1/36.3 ms [mandar@omega /etc]$ nslookup - 128.101.101.101 *** Can't find server name for address 128.101.101.101: No response from server *** Default servers are not available [mandar@omega /etc]$ nslookup - 209.98.98.98 *** Can't find server name for address 209.98.98.98: No response from server *** Default servers are not available [mandar@omega /etc]$ ------------------------------------------------------ BTW, if it helps, the names of my pri/sec DNS servers are 204.147.80.1 ns3.mn.uswest.net 204.147.80.5 ns1.mn.uswest.net -Mandar __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Sun Sep 24 21:43:51 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andrew S. Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21560] printcap settings and Windows printer References: <20000924071846.A27604@attglobal.net> Message-ID: <39CEBBE7.B48573E0@ltiflex.com> > > # > # Copyright (c) 1983 Regents of the University of California. > # All rights reserved. > # > # @(#)etc.printcap 5.2 (Berkeley) 5/5/88 > # > # Remote Deskjet Printer connected to Windows > lp|deskjet:\ > :lp=:\ > :sd=/var/spool/lpd/indra:\ > :rm=windows.mydomain.com:\ > :rp=deskjet:\ > :sh:sf:mx#0:\ > :pl#66:pw#80: First off, you should check to see if linux supports your deskjet at all. Some (but not all) HP DeskJets are Windows only (host based) printers. They don't work for the same reason winmodems don't work in Linux. If it is supported by linux, things are looking up. Install apsfilter or magicfilter to help you set up filters for printing to your printer. Want the bad news now? You can't print to a printer shared by a windows box (to the best of my knowelege anyway...) via lpr. If your printer is supported by linux, connect it to your linux box and use samba to share it to windows. Actually, you can share a printer from windows to a linux machine if you have Win2K server, I have yet to try this myself (and don't really want to anyway.) -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org With a name like Zbikowski, you've gotta be good. "Mistakes are a fact of life. It's the response to error that counts." -- Nikki Giovanni -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Sun Sep 24 22:23:02 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21533] pci video cards References: Message-ID: <39CEC516.5A298EC6@tcfreenet.org> Matthew LaBerge wrote: > > Check out General Nanosystems, I don't usually refer people to that store > (Tran Micro has a better atmosphere and nice people) I looked on their web > page and the have a trident 4meg PCI for $35. http://www.nanosys1.com Ewww. Trident. Ewww. $35 is too much for a Trident. Free is too much for a trident. Only take a trident if you're getting paid to take it. In both cash and sexual favors. Tridents really suck. Back me up here people. ;) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From labmat at earthlink.net Sun Sep 24 22:22:21 2000 From: labmat at earthlink.net (Matthew LaBerge) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:21533] pci video cards In-Reply-To: <39CEC516.5A298EC6@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: I never said that I recommend a Trident (I wouldn't wish that fate on anyone) I just answered his question about cheep pci video cards, and local stores that have em. ______________________ Matthew LaBerge labmat@earthlink.net -----Original Message----- From: cal@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net [mailto:cal@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net]On Behalf Of Callum Lerwick Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2000 10:23 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21533] pci video cards Matthew LaBerge wrote: > > Check out General Nanosystems, I don't usually refer people to that store > (Tran Micro has a better atmosphere and nice people) I looked on their web > page and the have a trident 4meg PCI for $35. http://www.nanosys1.com Ewww. Trident. Ewww. $35 is too much for a Trident. Free is too much for a trident. Only take a trident if you're getting paid to take it. In both cash and sexual favors. Tridents really suck. Back me up here people. ;) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blackcrow77 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 25 01:37:31 2000 From: blackcrow77 at yahoo.com (ravenmaster) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21568] removing messages from qmail queue Message-ID: <20000925063731.16838.qmail@web801.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I just setup qmail; It works but as part of the initial testing, I created an email to a bogus user like this: echo to: nonexistant | qmail-inject The above command works, but I've now got a ton of email messages stuck in my mail queue. I can't seem to find a program/manpage that tells how to empty/clean the queue. qmail-clean seems like it can't be called directly. qmail apparently keeps trying to send the messages for up to 7 days, so I keep getting deferred messages. Is there an easy way to empty the queue, either selectively (only the bad messages), or worst case entirely empty the mail queue? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From xoi at mn.mediaone.net Mon Sep 25 06:30:21 2000 From: xoi at mn.mediaone.net (Lord Xoi) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21569] Uninstalling Linux In-Reply-To: <20000925063731.16838.qmail@web801.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: What do I need to do in order to completely remove Linux and set up the machine with 1 blank FAT partition. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Mon Sep 25 06:51:02 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:21533] pci video cards Message-ID: <0G1F00NFDYY84C@mail1.supervalu.com> The Trident cards have extremely poor performance all around. I doubt that they'll be able to push 1280x1024x32bpp (or 16bpp), and if they can, it's going to slow down your machine a bunch. Go look at Best Buy for an open-box Voodoo3 2000/3000 PCI card, you can often find them for ~$60. (16MB) Nick labmat@earthlink.net, on 09/24/2000 10:22:21 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF cc: Subject: RE: [TCLUG:21533] pci video cards I never said that I recommend a Trident (I wouldn't wish that fate on anyone) I just answered his question about cheep pci video cards, and local stores that have em. ______________________ Matthew LaBerge labmat@earthlink.net -----Original Message----- From: cal@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net [mailto:cal@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net]On Behalf Of Callum Lerwick Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2000 10:23 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21533] pci video cards Matthew LaBerge wrote: > > Check out General Nanosystems, I don't usually refer people to that store > (Tran Micro has a better atmosphere and nice people) I looked on their web > page and the have a trident 4meg PCI for $35. http://www.nanosys1.com Ewww. Trident. Ewww. $35 is too much for a Trident. Free is too much for a trident. Only take a trident if you're getting paid to take it. In both cash and sexual favors. Tridents really suck. Back me up here people. ;) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Mon Sep 25 06:58:18 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21519] apache URL problem Message-ID: <0G1F00NJEZ9U4C@mail1.supervalu.com> Actually, what you're really looking for is mod_alias, which can transparently redirect URLs for you. It should be compiled into by default. Take a look at your apache documentation. Nick Reinking wilson@visi.com, on 09/21/2000 02:34:11 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF cc: Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21519] apache URL problem On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, Ben Lutgens wrote: > When a person types http://www.globalfilesystem.org into thier location bar I > want the seemlessly directed to http://www.sistina.com/gfs/ and have it show > up thusly in the location bar. Right now we are using a redirect document as a > "quick fix" but it's very irritating when you can't back out. I think you're looking for ProxyPass. Should be in the docs. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Mon Sep 25 07:38:16 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21564] Re: Name resolution not working In-Reply-To: <20000924224552.16063.qmail@web213.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Are you using the 675 to do NAT? What's the IP of your linux machine? Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Sun, 24 Sep 2000, Mandar Vaze wrote: > Hi, > > Thanks clay and adam for suggestions. > My machine can ping the nameserver. > I also tried other nameserver Adam suggested still no > luck. > I don't haven't firewall on my linux machine yet. > I'm using Cisco 675 to connect to internet. I don't > think my router is blocking port 53, but I'm not sure > how to confirm this. > > Here's the output : > ------------------------------------------------------ > [mandar@omega /etc]$ cat resolv.conf > nameserver 204.147.80.1 > nameserver 204.147.80.5 > [mandar@omega /etc]$ nslookup - 204.147.80.1 > *** Can't find server name for address 204.147.80.1: > No response from server > *** Default servers are not available > [mandar@omega /etc]$ man nslookup > [mandar@omega /etc]$ ping 204.147.80.1 > PING 204.147.80.1 (204.147.80.1): 56 data bytes > 64 bytes from 204.147.80.1: icmp_seq=0 ttl=251 > time=36.3 ms > 64 bytes from 204.147.80.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=251 > time=29.9 ms > 64 bytes from 204.147.80.1: icmp_seq=2 ttl=251 > time=30.3 ms > > --- 204.147.80.1 ping statistics --- > 3 packets transmitted, 3 packets received, 0% packet > loss > round-trip min/avg/max = 29.9/32.1/36.3 ms > [mandar@omega /etc]$ nslookup - 128.101.101.101 > *** Can't find server name for address > 128.101.101.101: No response from server > *** Default servers are not available > [mandar@omega /etc]$ nslookup - 209.98.98.98 > *** Can't find server name for address 209.98.98.98: > No response from server > *** Default servers are not available > [mandar@omega /etc]$ > ------------------------------------------------------ > > BTW, if it helps, the names of my pri/sec DNS servers > are > 204.147.80.1 ns3.mn.uswest.net > 204.147.80.5 ns1.mn.uswest.net > > -Mandar > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andy at theasis.com Mon Sep 25 07:54:23 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21569] Uninstalling Linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Insert floppy, run fdisk. Andy On Mon, 25 Sep 2000, Lord Xoi wrote: > What do I need to do in order to completely remove Linux and set up the > machine with 1 blank FAT partition. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From wilson at visi.com Mon Sep 25 07:58:02 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21569] Uninstalling Linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 25 Sep 2000 andy@theasis.com wrote: > Insert floppy, run fdisk. I've had trouble in the past with DOS fdisk not being able to delete ext2 partitions. One of the Linux versions of fdisk may be required. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blayer at uswest.net Mon Sep 25 08:12:43 2000 From: blayer at uswest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21533] pci video cards In-Reply-To: <39CEC516.5A298EC6@tcfreenet.org> References: <39CEC516.5A298EC6@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <00092508255900.10482@homer> Want a cheap PCI video at an ultra-cheap price? MPC Electronics in Eagan has a gaylord of ATI Mach-64 PCI (2mb) cards for $8 each, discounts on multiples. Too bad they are only open during work hours (8-5pm M-F). Last time I was there, I bought several and all worked fine. They also had this HUGE motherboard of unknown architecture, that seems to have been designed to take four P-Pro chips... Anyone else seen that animal? -- -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Mon Sep 25 08:35:03 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21533] pci video cards In-Reply-To: <00092508255900.10482@homer>; from blayer@uswest.net on Mon, Sep 25, 2000 at 08:12:43AM -0500 References: <39CEC516.5A298EC6@tcfreenet.org> <00092508255900.10482@homer> Message-ID: <20000925083503.E9102@sorry.cs.umn.edu> > > They also had this HUGE motherboard of unknown architecture, that seems to have > been designed to take four P-Pro chips... Anyone else seen that animal? > Unknown architecture? If it takes P-Pro's it's prolly x86.. THough, most likely, a hack of sorts. The P-Pro's could only run as a pair at most. Some companies thought it would be fun to hack boards that could use a bunchuvem. The most I saw was a machine with a 6-way P-Pro for auction on Ebay. It only came with drivers to run WinNT or SCO, IIRC. Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "No sir, I don't like it!" - Mr. Horse in "Fire Dogs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jhawley at bgea.org Mon Sep 25 08:34:54 2000 From: jhawley at bgea.org (John Hawley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21577] compiling php4 for mysql and apache References: <20000924071846.A27604@attglobal.net> <39CEBBE7.B48573E0@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <39CF547E.3027F399@bgea.org> Hey, I'm trying to get Apache // php4 // MySQL working on a Debian/Woody box, but get the following msg from the php-powered page: Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() ... The fix is suppose to be to recompile PHP as such: $ ./configure --with-mysql --with-apxs ..., but I get: apxs: command not found I've done a search of my system and the 'apxs' script is not there. Doing some more searches on Deja, someone said that 'apxs' is part of the 'apache-devel' package; there's an RPM but Debian apparently doesn't have one. Any help? It sort of suprises me that with the popularity of MySQL, that PHP package doesn't come with support for it included. I downloaded apache-1.3.12 and ran ./configure, but that didn't install apxs either. TIA. -- John Hawley Network Administrator IT Services // BGEA 612.335.1334 <=> jhawley@bgea.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Mon Sep 25 08:42:42 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21569] Uninstalling Linux References: Message-ID: <39CF5652.EC498BFD@ltiflex.com> Step 1: run lilo -u /dev/hda (or -U) Step 2: boot from linux rescue disk and nuke all linux partitions Step 3: Instert dos boot disk and create dos partition. Step 4: Install... Removing lilo before you uninstall linux will be helpful, but it isn't necissart. fdisk /mbr (in dos) will take care of it as well. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Mon Sep 25 08:33:49 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21533] pci video cards Message-ID: <0G1G001M33PUOP@mail1.supervalu.com> It should be noted that a 2MB ATi card will not be able to even reach 1280x1024. Also, those 4way PPro boards are a tough find, as they were almost exclusively OEm machines. Sadly, you 4 200MHz PPros w/ 256K are slower than 2 with 512K cache. You're more likely better off getting that with the Providence board. 2x PPro, onboard UW SCSI, onboard sound, onboard 10/100 ethernet, 440FX chipset - for $110. Nick blayer@uswest.net, on 09/25/2000 08:12:43 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF cc: Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21533] pci video cards Want a cheap PCI video at an ultra-cheap price? MPC Electronics in Eagan has a gaylord of ATI Mach-64 PCI (2mb) cards for $8 each, discounts on multiples. Too bad they are only open during work hours (8-5pm M-F). Last time I was there, I bought several and all worked fine. They also had this HUGE motherboard of unknown architecture, that seems to have been designed to take four P-Pro chips... Anyone else seen that animal? -- -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jhawley at bgea.org Mon Sep 25 09:33:09 2000 From: jhawley at bgea.org (John Hawley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21560] printcap settings and Windows printer References: <20000924071846.A27604@attglobal.net> <39CEBBE7.B48573E0@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <39CF6225.E0AFF3D@bgea.org> "Andrew S. Zbikowski" wrote: > > > > # > > # Copyright (c) 1983 Regents of the University of California. > > # All rights reserved. > > # > > # @(#)etc.printcap 5.2 (Berkeley) 5/5/88 > > # > > # Remote Deskjet Printer connected to Windows > > lp|deskjet:\ > > :lp=:\ > > :sd=/var/spool/lpd/indra:\ > > :rm=windows.mydomain.com:\ > > :rp=deskjet:\ > > :sh:sf:mx#0:\ > > :pl#66:pw#80: > > First off, you should check to see if linux supports your deskjet at all. > Some (but not all) HP DeskJets are Windows only (host based) printers. They > don't work for the same reason winmodems don't work in Linux. > > If it is supported by linux, things are looking up. Install apsfilter or > magicfilter to help you set up filters for printing to your printer. Want > the bad news now? You can't print to a printer shared by a windows box (to > the best of my knowelege anyway...) via lpr. Sure you can. Its been a year since I set it up .. should be in the samba howto's and the online manual. /etc/printcap: ##PRINTTOOL3## SMB ljet4 600x600 letter {} LaserJet4 Default 1 laser: :sd=/var/spool/lpd/laser :mx0:sh :af=/var/spool/lpd/laser/acct :lp=/dev/null # :ifhp=model=hp4mplus # :if=/usr/libexec/filters/ifhp :if=/var/spool/lpd/laser/filter /etc/smb.conf: [laser] comment = HP LaserJet 4M+ printer name = laser path = /var/spool/samba browseable = yes guest ok = yes writable = no printable = yes print command = /usr/bin/lpr -P%p -r %s --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Mon Sep 25 10:06:37 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21560] printcap settings and Windows printer References: <20000924071846.A27604@attglobal.net> <39CEBBE7.B48573E0@ltiflex.com> <39CF6225.E0AFF3D@bgea.org> Message-ID: <39CF69FD.DD61716A@ltiflex.com> Hey neat. Thanks for the info, though I'll probally never use it. =) -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From natecars at real-time.com Mon Sep 25 11:39:43 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21582] The headers for that rather annoying spam... Message-ID: Have fun with it folks. Already reported to RSS. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org Received: (qmail 30527 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2000 01:38:55 -0000 Received: from pop.federalnet.com (216.216.47.210) by conjurer.real-time.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2000 01:38:55 -0000 Received: from Joseph (unverified [216.216.47.232]) by pop.federalnet.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.3.183) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 21:37:05 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Aiswarya" To: Date: Sun, 24 Sep 00 21:31:18 Pacific Daylight Time X-Mailer: EMailing List Pro 3.0 Subject: Matrimonial Hello, We have pleasure to invite you to visit the biggest and fast growing Indian matrimonial website. http://www.Indiaoptions.com Placing advertisement with photo is free for a limited time. We would appreciate if you can forward this email to friends and relatives who will be interested to visit Indiaoptions.com With regards, The folks @ Indiaoptions.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Mon Sep 25 11:48:04 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21582] The headers for that rather annoying spam... In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Mon, Sep 25, 2000 at 11:39:43AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20000925114804.Z14241@real-time.com> On Mon, Sep 25, 2000 at 11:39:43AM -0500, Nate Carlson wrote: > Have fun with it folks. > > Already reported to RSS. :) $> whois indiaoptions.com Registrant: Jose Ouseph (INDIAOPTIONS2-DOM) 846, Harned St, 6B Perth Amboy, NJ 08861 US Domain Name: INDIAOPTIONS.COM Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact, Billing Contact: Ouseph, Jose (JO6420) mojose@HOTMAIL.COM 1/18, Madassery, Mookkannur Ernakulam, Kerala 683577 IN +91-484-393141 Record last updated on 21-Nov-1999. Record expires on 21-Nov-2001. Record created on 21-Nov-1999. Database last updated on 24-Sep-2000 23:37:48 EDT. Domain servers in listed order: DNS1.FEDERALNET.COM 216.216.47.2 DNS2.FEDERALNET.COM 216.216.47.3 so the Administrative Contact has a HOTMAIL address. (all caps are not my doing..) scary. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Sep 25 12:36:36 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21584] RedHat 7.0 on Realtime Message-ID: Hi, Bob, can you send out a note to the list when real-time's FTP site has done mirroring RH 7.0? I don't want to keep checking every hour (; -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jasonj at innominatus.com Mon Sep 25 12:58:50 2000 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21585] Debian Cipe Message-ID: <39CF925A.9E7367A6@innominatus.com> I am running Debian Stable with 2.2.17 kernel and I am trying to get the cipe-common deb package to work. /var/log/daemon.log says Sep 25 12:31:17 guru ciped-2.2.17[6112]: opendev: alloc: Operation not permitted Sep 25 12:33:34 guru ciped-2.2.17[6119]: CIPE daemon vers 1.3.0 (c) Olaf Titz 1996-1998 Anyone else with Debian have CIPE running? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Mon Sep 25 13:40:44 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21533] pci video cards References: <0G1F00NFDYY84C@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: <39CF9C2C.E5BFD524@tcfreenet.org> Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > > The Trident cards have extremely poor performance all around. > > I doubt that they'll be able to push 1280x1024x32bpp (or 16bpp), > and if they can, it's going to slow down your machine a bunch. Newer ones will, but it'll be dog slow, and the video quality will be horrible. Beware the visual quality on cheapass cards. I went from an ATI Rage II+ to a 3dfx Banshee, and the difference was night and day. At a mere 1024x768x32x48hz interlaced, the Rage II was way blurry, but the 3dfx was crystal clear. I didn't even know a video card could affect display quality like that until I saw it for myself. I just thought it was the suckass monitor I was using at that point. ;) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Mon Sep 25 13:30:28 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21533] pci video cards Message-ID: <0G1G0072WHG5LS@mail1.supervalu.com> Try going from a 2MB Diamond Stealth 2000 PCI to a Matrox G400Max (best 2D image on the market). It's amazingly amazing what a G400Max'll do for you. Nick lerwick@tcfreenet.org, on 09/25/2000 01:40:44 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF cc: Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21533] pci video cards Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > > The Trident cards have extremely poor performance all around. > > I doubt that they'll be able to push 1280x1024x32bpp (or 16bpp), > and if they can, it's going to slow down your machine a bunch. Newer ones will, but it'll be dog slow, and the video quality will be horrible. Beware the visual quality on cheapass cards. I went from an ATI Rage II+ to a 3dfx Banshee, and the difference was night and day. At a mere 1024x768x32x48hz interlaced, the Rage II was way blurry, but the 3dfx was crystal clear. I didn't even know a video card could affect display quality like that until I saw it for myself. I just thought it was the suckass monitor I was using at that point. ;) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From clay at fandre.com Mon Sep 25 13:53:48 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21533] pci video cards In-Reply-To: <00092508255900.10482@homer> References: <39CEC516.5A298EC6@tcfreenet.org> <00092508255900.10482@homer> Message-ID: <969908028.39cf9f3c186b4@www.fandre.com> Where's MPC Electronics? I've heard great things about this place but never had time to check it out. Now that I'm working down in Eden Prairie I think I will take a nice lunch break. Got an address? Clay Quoting Bill Layer : > Want a cheap PCI video at an ultra-cheap price? MPC Electronics in Eagan > has a > gaylord of ATI Mach-64 PCI (2mb) cards for $8 each, discounts on > multiples. Too > bad they are only open during work hours (8-5pm M-F). Last time I was > there, I > bought several and all worked fine. > > They also had this HUGE motherboard of unknown architecture, that seems > to have > been designed to take four P-Pro chips... Anyone else seen that animal? > > -- > > > -.bill.layer.- > > -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- > > -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From clay at fandre.com Mon Sep 25 14:02:47 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21589] Electronic discount stores (was Re: [TCLUG:21533] pci video cards) In-Reply-To: <969908028.39cf9f3c186b4@www.fandre.com> References: <39CEC516.5A298EC6@tcfreenet.org> <00092508255900.10482@homer> <969908028.39cf9f3c186b4@www.fandre.com> Message-ID: <969908567.39cfa1572e643@www.fandre.com> Are there any other 'electronic discount stores' in the area? Quoting Clay Fandre : > Where's MPC Electronics? I've heard great things about this place but > never had > time to check it out. Now that I'm working down in Eden Prairie I think > I will > take a nice lunch break. Got an address? > > Clay > > Quoting Bill Layer : > > > Want a cheap PCI video at an ultra-cheap price? MPC Electronics in > Eagan > > has a > > gaylord of ATI Mach-64 PCI (2mb) cards for $8 each, discounts on > > multiples. Too > > bad they are only open during work hours (8-5pm M-F). Last time I was > > there, I > > bought several and all worked fine. > > > > They also had this HUGE motherboard of unknown architecture, that > seems > > to have > > been designed to take four P-Pro chips... Anyone else seen that > animal? > > > > -- > > > > > > -.bill.layer.- > > > > -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't > talking.- > > > > -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Mon Sep 25 14:15:12 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21569] Uninstalling Linux References: Message-ID: <39CFA440.D194E90C@tcfreenet.org> Lord Xoi wrote: > > What do I need to do in order to completely remove Linux and set up the > machine with 1 blank FAT partition. Don't restore CD's usually nuke your HD with no remorse automagically? ;) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Mon Sep 25 14:14:43 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21533] pci video cards In-Reply-To: <0G1G0072WHG5LS@mail1.supervalu.com>; from Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com on Mon, Sep 25, 2000 at 01:30:28PM -0500 References: <0G1G0072WHG5LS@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: <20000925141443.B17762@ringworld.org> Hell, the g200 did wonders even. * Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com [000925 13:46]: > Try going from a 2MB Diamond Stealth 2000 PCI to a > Matrox G400Max (best 2D image on the market). It's > amazingly amazing what a G400Max'll do for you. > > Nick > > > > > > lerwick@tcfreenet.org, on 09/25/2000 01:40:44 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF > cc: > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21533] pci video cards > > Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > > > > The Trident cards have extremely poor performance all around. > > > > I doubt that they'll be able to push 1280x1024x32bpp (or 16bpp), > > and if they can, it's going to slow down your machine a bunch. > > Newer ones will, but it'll be dog slow, and the video quality will be > horrible. > > Beware the visual quality on cheapass cards. I went from an ATI Rage II+ > to a 3dfx Banshee, and the difference was night and day. At a mere > 1024x768x32x48hz interlaced, the Rage II was way blurry, but the 3dfx > was crystal clear. I didn't even know a video card could affect display > quality like that until I saw it for myself. I just thought it was the > suckass monitor I was using at that point. ;) > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It has two 200MHz PPro CPU's (256K cache), 96MB of ECC RAM, 4GB and 8GB hard drives, and a (gag) Stealth 3d 2000. Sound is on the motherboard, and there is an AWE32 add-on card. It came with Windows NT and Office 97, for those who have to pay the bills without using our favorite products. I have run Red Hat Linux 6.1 and 6.2 on it. I can include Adaptec AHA-2930 SCSI controller, Plextor 8/20 CD-ROM drive, Seagate TR-4 tape drive, 3Dfx Voodoo 3 2000, a 3Com NIC or other goodies to sweeten the pot. E-mail me if you are interested or would like more information. Chris Schumann --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Mon Sep 25 14:26:11 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21592] Pentium Pro's In-Reply-To: <00db01c02725$6ce67650$1000a8c0@cschumann> Message-ID: I have also seen >2 processor PPro systems, and I even looked at purchasing a 16 processor Pentium classic 166mhz system, i doubt it's still around, but it was an interesting machine. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Mon, 25 Sep 2000, Chris Schumann wrote: > Pentium Pro CPU's are not limited to 2-way SMP. > However, Intel's PPro chipsets are. I've worked on an > 8-way IBM machine. Very impressive in its day. > > Speaking of PPro's, I have a Micron Millennia I am > considering selling. It has two 200MHz PPro CPU's > (256K cache), 96MB of ECC RAM, 4GB and 8GB hard drives, > and a (gag) Stealth 3d 2000. Sound is on the > motherboard, and there is an AWE32 add-on card. > > It came with Windows NT and Office 97, for those > who have to pay the bills without using our favorite > products. I have run Red Hat Linux 6.1 and 6.2 on it. > > I can include Adaptec AHA-2930 SCSI controller, > Plextor 8/20 CD-ROM drive, Seagate TR-4 tape drive, > 3Dfx Voodoo 3 2000, a 3Com NIC or other goodies to > sweeten the pot. > > E-mail me if you are interested or would like more > information. > > Chris Schumann > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Mon Sep 25 14:33:49 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21592] Pentium Pro's In-Reply-To: ; from ben@nerp.net on Mon, Sep 25, 2000 at 02:26:11PM -0500 References: <00db01c02725$6ce67650$1000a8c0@cschumann> Message-ID: <20000925143349.A14241@real-time.com> > I have also seen >2 processor PPro systems, and I even looked at > purchasing a 16 processor Pentium classic 166mhz system, i doubt it's > still around, but it was an interesting machine. what make/model was it? would have been an interesting thing to play with. :) anyone have any idea what a 32-processor Sequent (now IBM NUMA-Q) server costs these days? Linux 2.4 has a hard limit of 32 processors on 32-bit archs, 64 procs on 64-bit architectures. (tho they're going to try to fix that for 2.5) something to do with word-sized processor numbers in a couple of places in the code. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Mon Sep 25 14:41:02 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21592] Pentium Pro's Message-ID: <0G1G00832KR1WM@mail1.supervalu.com> Whether it'll actually efficiently use 32/64 CPUs is doubtful. Even our Sun rep here says that Solaris has a difficulty scaling beyond 23 CPUs. I guess we'll see. Nick chrome@real-time.com, on 09/25/2000 02:33:49 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF cc: Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21592] Pentium Pro's > I have also seen >2 processor PPro systems, and I even looked at > purchasing a 16 processor Pentium classic 166mhz system, i doubt it's > still around, but it was an interesting machine. what make/model was it? would have been an interesting thing to play with. :) anyone have any idea what a 32-processor Sequent (now IBM NUMA-Q) server costs these days? Linux 2.4 has a hard limit of 32 processors on 32-bit archs, 64 procs on 64-bit architectures. (tho they're going to try to fix that for 2.5) something to do with word-sized processor numbers in a couple of places in the code. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From pope at ossuary.net Mon Sep 25 15:33:36 2000 From: pope at ossuary.net (Scott) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21533] pci video cards In-Reply-To: <969908028.39cf9f3c186b4@www.fandre.com> Message-ID: materialsprocessing.com is their rather uninformative site. Their address is under the surplus store section. Scott -- ossuary.net -- "Only dead girls like me." -Voltaire --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Mon Sep 25 15:38:01 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21592] Pentium Pro's In-Reply-To: <20000925143349.A14241@real-time.com> Message-ID: i forget who made it.. i belive intel custom made it for a supercomputer startup.. i belive it had something to do with one of cray's partners.. i'll see if I can still get ahold of it.. it's not an item that moves very fast.. (wanted too much for it) Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Mon, 25 Sep 2000, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > I have also seen >2 processor PPro systems, and I even looked at > > purchasing a 16 processor Pentium classic 166mhz system, i doubt it's > > still around, but it was an interesting machine. > > what make/model was it? > would have been an interesting thing to play with. :) > > anyone have any idea what a 32-processor Sequent (now IBM NUMA-Q) server costs these days? > > Linux 2.4 has a hard limit of 32 processors on 32-bit archs, 64 procs on > 64-bit architectures. (tho they're going to try to fix that for 2.5) > something to do with word-sized processor numbers in a couple of places in > the code. > > Carl Soderstrom > -- > Network Engineer > Real-Time Enterprises > (952) 943-8700 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Mon Sep 25 15:38:30 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21592] Pentium Pro's In-Reply-To: <0G1G00832KR1WM@mail1.supervalu.com>; from Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com on Mon, Sep 25, 2000 at 02:41:02PM -0500 References: <0G1G00832KR1WM@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: <20000925153830.D14241@real-time.com> > Whether it'll actually efficiently use 32/64 CPUs is doubtful. > > Even our Sun rep here says that Solaris has a difficulty > scaling beyond 23 CPUs. > > I guess we'll see. we need to convince IBM to Open-Source Dynix (the *nix made for Sequent servers)... see how they solved the SMP scalability problems. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Mon Sep 25 15:38:30 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21592] Pentium Pro's Message-ID: <0G1G009AONIBSS@mail1.supervalu.com> IBM's Sequent servers are NUMA machines, not SMP. (That's why they bought Sequent - for the NUMA tech.) That's why SGI's ccNUMA machines can scale up to 1024 processors. :) Nick chrome@real-time.com, on 09/25/2000 03:38:30 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF cc: Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21592] Pentium Pro's > Whether it'll actually efficiently use 32/64 CPUs is doubtful. > > Even our Sun rep here says that Solaris has a difficulty > scaling beyond 23 CPUs. > > I guess we'll see. we need to convince IBM to Open-Source Dynix (the *nix made for Sequent servers)... see how they solved the SMP scalability problems. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Mon Sep 25 16:06:14 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21592] Pentium Pro's In-Reply-To: <0G1G009AONIBSS@mail1.supervalu.com>; from Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com on Mon, Sep 25, 2000 at 03:38:30PM -0500 References: <0G1G009AONIBSS@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: <20000925160614.F14241@real-time.com> > IBM's Sequent servers are NUMA machines, not SMP. (That's > why they bought Sequent - for the NUMA tech.) As I understood it, NUMA is just one SMP architecture (among others,like ccNUMA, or COMA). it uses a number of identical processors, so shouldn't it still be called Symmetric Multi-Processing? (as opposed to Asymmetric Multi-Processing). Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Mon Sep 25 16:07:03 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21601] Re: RedHat 7.0 on Realtime In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Mon, Sep 25, 2000 at 12:36:36PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20000925160703.O31417@real-time.com> Quoting Yaron (jethro@freakzilla.com): > Hi, > > Bob, can you send out a note to the list when real-time's FTP site has > done mirroring RH 7.0? I don't want to keep checking every hour (; Sure. It's actually done, but RH has asked not to open the archives yet. I am not sure why, but we are suppose to receive a message via the mirror mailing list when it's all complete. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From clay at fandre.com Mon Sep 25 16:11:43 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21602] Carl at Real-Time (was Re: [TCLUG:21592] Pentium Pro's) In-Reply-To: <20000925153830.D14241@real-time.com> References: <0G1G00832KR1WM@mail1.supervalu.com> <20000925153830.D14241@real-time.com> Message-ID: <969916303.39cfbf8f1fbe7@www.fandre.com> > Carl Soderstrom > -- > Network Engineer > Real-Time Enterprises > (952) 943-8700 So how long have you been with Real-Time, Carl? Congrats! From what I hear it's a great company. ;-) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From clay at fandre.com Mon Sep 25 16:13:17 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21601] Re: RedHat 7.0 on Realtime In-Reply-To: <20000925160703.O31417@real-time.com> References: <20000925160703.O31417@real-time.com> Message-ID: <969916397.39cfbfed9283e@www.fandre.com> Quoting Bob Tanner : > Sure. > > It's actually done, but RH has asked not to open the archives yet. I am > not sure > why, but we are suppose to receive a message via the mirror mailing list > when > it's all complete. So have you loaded it up yet? Give us a review! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chuck at milams.net Mon Sep 25 16:12:45 2000 From: chuck at milams.net (Chuck Milam) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21601] Re: RedHat 7.0 on Realtime In-Reply-To: <20000925160703.O31417@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 25 Sep 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > It's actually done, but RH has asked not to open the archives yet. I > am not sure why, but we are suppose to receive a message via the > mirror mailing list when it's all complete. Hmm...an oops for the other sites that are open now, I guess? -- Chuck Milam chuck@milams.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Mon Sep 25 16:16:28 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21602] Carl at Real-Time (was Re: [TCLUG:21592] Pentium Pro's) In-Reply-To: <969916303.39cfbf8f1fbe7@www.fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Mon, Sep 25, 2000 at 04:11:43PM -0500 References: <0G1G00832KR1WM@mail1.supervalu.com> <20000925153830.D14241@real-time.com> <969916303.39cfbf8f1fbe7@www.fandre.com> Message-ID: <20000925161628.I14241@real-time.com> On Mon, Sep 25, 2000 at 04:11:43PM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: > > Carl Soderstrom > > -- > > Network Engineer > > Real-Time Enterprises > > (952) 943-8700 > > So how long have you been with Real-Time, Carl? oh, >2 months now. > Congrats! From what I hear it's a great company. ;-) yeah, it's fun here. I'm learning all kinds of things... it's good to have people to learn from, rather than try to figure most of it out yourself. :) I'm working right next to Nate Carlson (who types faster than I can think.. and sometimes faster than he thinks, too). ;> the video game nights are fun too. :) we _are_ still looking for a Java programmer. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Mon Sep 25 16:17:09 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21606] FINAL RH7 Sync Message-ID: <20000925161709.W31417@real-time.com> I guess some last min changes to RH7.0 hit the mirror, so the mirror admins have requested that we do a final sync. I am doing that now and fighting everyone other mirror site. I expect it will be done today some time. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Mon Sep 25 16:21:49 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:21607] Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21601] Re: RedHat 7.0 on Realtime In-Reply-To: ; from chuck@milams.net on Mon, Sep 25, 2000 at 04:12:45PM -0500 References: <20000925160703.O31417@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20000925162149.Z31417@real-time.com> Quoting Chuck Milam (chuck@milams.net): > > On Mon, 25 Sep 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > It's actually done, but RH has asked not to open the archives yet. I > > am not sure why, but we are suppose to receive a message via the > > mirror mailing list when it's all complete. > > Hmm...an oops for the other sites that are open now, I guess? > Lots of flame war on the mirror list about it. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Mon Sep 25 16:04:47 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21592] Pentium Pro's Message-ID: <0G1G00AB6OQ5CU@mail1.supervalu.com> Check out http://www.sequent.com/news/faq.html for the skinny on NUMA. Nick -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chuck at milams.net Mon Sep 25 16:23:12 2000 From: chuck at milams.net (Chuck Milam) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21606] FINAL RH7 Sync In-Reply-To: <20000925161709.W31417@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 25 Sep 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > I guess some last min changes to RH7.0 hit the mirror, so the mirror > admins have requested that we do a final sync. Oh, bother. I guess that means that my s-l-o-w downloads that have been running since this morning are a waste of time, since I'm probably downloading an older iso image. Ugh. Time to start over (?) -- Chuck Milam chuck@milams.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From fdickinson at morganhunter.com Mon Sep 25 16:27:10 2000 From: fdickinson at morganhunter.com (Forrest Dickinson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21610] Is there an easy way to configure LDAP? Message-ID: <39CFC32D.A5EC76B0@morganhunter.com> I am trying to configure an OpenLDAP server to handle authentication for my companies network I have read the Howto's and the man pages and still can not seem to get it to work. Although I have been able to get it to work as an address book. Is there a gui LDAP administrator similar to the Novell NDS administrator out there. I am trying to convert my some of my companies servers from NT 4.0 to Linux so I would really like to get this working (I do not want to have to manage 6 separate sets of user accounts on 6 different servers). I have the pam LDAP modules installed as well. Also if OpenLDAP is not "there yet" in functionality would NIS be a better and easier to setup and administer alternative? Unfortunately I do not know much about NIS either. I am currently running Redhat 6.1, Mandrake 7.1, and Caldera 2.4. I have not decided which distribution I like the best, but I am assuming LDAP or NIS setup would be about the same with any distribution. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Sep 25 16:28:34 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21601] Re: RedHat 7.0 on Realtime In-Reply-To: <20000925160703.O31417@real-time.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Mon, 25 Sep 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > It's actually done, but RH has asked not to open the archives yet. I am not sure > why, but we are suppose to receive a message via the mirror mailing list when > it's all complete. Errr.... can we have it anyway? Pretty please with high fructose corn syrup on top? BTW, is there an ISO or just the files? -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From natecars at real-time.com Mon Sep 25 16:29:30 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21602] Carl at Real-Time (was Re: [TCLUG:21592] Pentium Pro's) In-Reply-To: <20000925161628.I14241@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 25 Sep 2000, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > yeah, it's fun here. I'm learning all kinds of things... it's good to have > people to learn from, rather than try to figure most of it out yourself. :) of course it is. > I'm working right next to Nate Carlson (who types faster than I can think.. > and sometimes faster than he thinks, too). ;> *takes a bow* typing too fast is way too fun. :) espogbvwvvv when 9i starfYt screq ing up! > the video game nights are fun too. :) ...I _still_ have yet to make it to one (just like the tclug meetings.. heh)! > we _are_ still looking for a Java programmer. :) Yeah. Anyone?? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From natecars at real-time.com Mon Sep 25 16:32:11 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21610] Is there an easy way to configure LDAP? In-Reply-To: <39CFC32D.A5EC76B0@morganhunter.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 25 Sep 2000, Forrest Dickinson wrote: > I am trying to configure an OpenLDAP server to handle authentication > for > > my companies network I have read the Howto's and the man pages and still > > can not seem to get it to work. Although I have been able to get it to > work as an address book. Is there a gui LDAP administrator similar to > the Novell NDS administrator out there. I am trying to convert my some > of my companies servers from NT 4.0 to Linux so I would really like to > get this working (I do not want to have to manage 6 separate sets of > user accounts on 6 different servers). I have the pam LDAP modules > installed as well. > Also if OpenLDAP is not "there yet" in functionality would NIS be a > better and easier to setup and administer alternative? Unfortunately I > do not know much about NIS either. > > I am currently running Redhat 6.1, Mandrake 7.1, and Caldera 2.4. I > have not decided which distribution I like the best, but I am assuming > LDAP or NIS setup would be about the same with any distribution. LDAP auth is pretty simple.. install nss_ldap package (RH7.0 has RPM's; I built my own), configure /etc/nsswitch.conf to use LDAP, and configure /etc/pam.d/* to use LDAP (examples in /usr/doc/nss_ldap*/pam.d). Example LDIF (from http://www.padl.com/ldap_examples.html): dn: cn=Luke Howard,ou=people,dc=padl,dc=com cn: Luke Howard objectclass: top objectclass: person objectclass: account objectclass: organizationalPerson objectclass: inetOrgPerson objectclass: posixAccount mail: lukeh@padl.com roomnumber: homephone: givenname: Luke sn: Howard uid: lukeh userpassword: {crypt}* loginshell: /bin/csh uidnumber: 416 gidnumber: 10 homedirectory: /home/lukeh ..it all works, i've used it. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Mon Sep 25 16:39:24 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21610] Is there an easy way to configure LDAP? In-Reply-To: <39CFC32D.A5EC76B0@morganhunter.com>; from fdickinson@morganhunter.com on Mon, Sep 25, 2000 at 04:27:10PM -0500 References: <39CFC32D.A5EC76B0@morganhunter.com> Message-ID: <20000925163924.K14241@real-time.com> > Is there a gui LDAP administrator similar to > the Novell NDS administrator out there? there is a shareware Java LDAP tool at: http://www.iit.edu/~gawojar/ldap/ around here we use: http://igloo.its.unimelb.edu.au/LDAPExplorer/ which is a very good web-based tool. has an excellent UI. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Mon Sep 25 16:45:54 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21610] Is there an easy way to configure LDAP? References: <39CFC32D.A5EC76B0@morganhunter.com> Message-ID: <39CFC792.C5FBB1C4@ltiflex.com> > I am currently running Redhat 6.1, Mandrake 7.1, and Caldera 2.4. I > have not decided which distribution I like the best, but I am assuming > LDAP or NIS setup would be about the same with any distribution. If your setting up servers, give debian a go. Setting up LDAP is like setting up a good database, mainly because LDAP is (well...kinda sorta...) a database. As far as managment utilties go, I use GQ. It kinda limited right now though. The best way right now is just making ldif files (or making shell scripts to spit out ldif files, which really isn't hard.) and throwing the ldif files to OpenLDAP via ldapadd. As for design, I like the domain scheme over the location scheme (dc=ltiflex, dc=com) and then OU's to seperate things out (Ou=People for users, Ou=Roaming for netscape roaming profiles, etc etc etc.) Really, I haven't looked at NIS much, and only played with LDAP a bit, but so far I like LDAP. Here's a breif HOWTO on migrating from flatfiles to LDAP: http://www.redhat.com/support/manuals/RHL-6.2-Manual/ref-guide/s1-ldap-redhattips.html It's really not as RedHat specific as it seems to be. If you are migrating to linux, you'd best choose a distro and be consistant with it. I know that debian can be set up to keep it's package database (both what's available and what's installed) in LDAP. Kinda neat when you think about it, you only have to do apt-get update once, then apt-get upgrade each server. Just make suer you backup the LDAP data often! -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Mon Sep 25 16:55:32 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:21616] Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21601] Re: RedHat 7.0 on Realtime In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Mon, Sep 25, 2000 at 04:28:34PM -0500 References: <20000925160703.O31417@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20000925165532.B31417@real-time.com> Quoting Yaron (jethro@freakzilla.com): > Hi, > > On Mon, 25 Sep 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > > It's actually done, but RH has asked not to open the archives yet. I am not sure > > why, but we are suppose to receive a message via the mirror mailing list when > > it's all complete. > > Errr.... can we have it anyway? Pretty please with high fructose corn > syrup on top? > > BTW, is there an ISO or just the files? Both are there. Umm, what I have is not in sync with the mirror. I guess there was some sort of fubar and we are being told to re-sync again. I'd be happy to burn cds if people want to pick them up or pay for postage. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Sep 25 16:58:29 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21616] RedHat 7.0 on Realtime In-Reply-To: <20000925165532.B31417@real-time.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Mon, 25 Sep 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > > BTW, is there an ISO or just the files? > Both are there. Excellent. > Umm, what I have is not in sync with the mirror. I guess there was some sort of > fubar and we are being told to re-sync again. I bet they did that on purpose (: -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Mon Sep 25 17:16:39 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:21618] Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21606] FINAL RH7 Sync In-Reply-To: ; from chuck@milams.net on Mon, Sep 25, 2000 at 04:23:12PM -0500 References: <20000925161709.W31417@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20000925171639.G31417@real-time.com> Quoting Chuck Milam (chuck@milams.net): > > On Mon, 25 Sep 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > I guess some last min changes to RH7.0 hit the mirror, so the mirror > > admins have requested that we do a final sync. > > Oh, bother. I guess that means that my s-l-o-w downloads that have been > running since this morning are a waste of time, since I'm probably > downloading an older iso image. Ugh. Time to start over (?) > Hate to say it, the changes are mostly directed at the iso images. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blayer at uswest.net Mon Sep 25 17:41:13 2000 From: blayer at uswest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21619] PCI / PCMCIA linkage? In-Reply-To: <20000925171639.G31417@real-time.com> References: <20000925161709.W31417@real-time.com> <20000925171639.G31417@real-time.com> Message-ID: <00092517472200.00148@homer> When building 2.2.16 without PCI support compiled-in, I get a total failure of PCMCIA drivers on boot up. This makes sense if the PCMCIA cardbus is on the PCI bus, but at boot time, a stock kernel reports: PCI: No PCI bus detected. Would seem safe to remove any PCI support if I truly lack the hardware, eh? For the record, the PCMCIA controller is an Intel i82365s, and it works perfectly on a kernel _with_ PCI support built-in. So if I have "no PCI" how is it that the PCMCIA fails after making a kernel without PCI support? Is the boot message a lie? -- -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From xoi at mn.mediaone.net Mon Sep 25 18:16:04 2000 From: xoi at mn.mediaone.net (Lord Xoi) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21569] Uninstalling Linux In-Reply-To: <39CFA440.D194E90C@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: on 9/25/00 2:15 PM, Callum Lerwick at lerwick@tcfreenet.org wrote: Normally yes, but for some reason it didn't the last time I tried it. > Lord Xoi wrote: >> >> What do I need to do in order to completely remove Linux and set up the >> machine with 1 blank FAT partition. > > Don't restore CD's usually nuke your HD with no remorse automagically? > ;) > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Sep 25 18:22:18 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21569] Uninstalling Linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Mon, 25 Sep 2000, Lord Xoi wrote: > >> What do I need to do in order to completely remove Linux and set up the > >> machine with 1 blank FAT partition. I didn't see any replies, but I didn't look very hard... If you REALLY want to nuke it, try: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda (<-- or whatever it really is). Might want to boot from a rescue dist and do THAT. -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Mon Sep 25 19:35:07 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21622] Burning CDs, RH7.0 -> installfest (burn cdfest?) Message-ID: <20000925193507.K30912@real-time.com> Ok, ok, ok.... Sheesh! I got 72 email requesting RH 7.0 cds. :-) First, problem is I only but CD-Rs in batches of 50. :-) Ok, we buy then in bulk of 200, but we give 50 to each tech. So, for a short term solution, how about we schedule an installfest? Or maybe a CD-R burnfest? It's been awhile since the last installfest and with a major RH update coming it might be a good time to schedule one. For a long term fix, anyone have any ideas? I'm thinking of something like a web-frontend that would allow you to pick a selection of iso images and "schedule" them for burning. Then onces a week(?) someone here at Real Time would run the "burn" process, which would take the schedule jobs and just cdrecord them to CD-R and eject the cd. This person could sit doing other things and just swap CD-Rs. Maybe get fancy and tie it into our CD label printer. If it was good enough we could bring this to installfest so people can burn their own CDs, without all the cdrecord options? Any better ideas? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mandar_v at yahoo.com Mon Sep 25 20:20:52 2000 From: mandar_v at yahoo.com (Mandar Vaze) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21623] Re: Name resolution not working Message-ID: <20000926012052.18650.qmail@web204.mail.yahoo.com> Yes, I'm using Cisco 675 for doing NAT. IP Addr of my linux machine is 10.0.0.2 (Assigned by DHCD server running on Cisco 675) cbos>show nat NAT is currently enabled Inside Global Address set to 63.228.43.76 Inside Local Inside Global Timer Flags Protocol 10.0.0.2:22 63.224.6.31:22 0 0x41 tcp This was setup for ssh connection (for other machine, not with me anymore) Here's some more output: ---------------------------------------------- [mandar@omega mandar]$ cat /etc/nsswitch.conf | grep hosts #hosts: db files nisplus nis dns hosts: files dns [mandar@omega mandar]$ cat /etc/hosts 127.0.0.1 omega localhost 204.147.80.1 ns3.mn.uswest.net 204.147.80.5 ns1.mn.uswest.net [mandar@omega mandar]$ nslookup - ns3.mn.uswest.net *** Can't find server name for address 204.147.80.1: No response from server *** Default servers are not available [mandar@omega mandar]$ ---------------------------------------------- -Mandar __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mandar_v at yahoo.com Mon Sep 25 20:21:55 2000 From: mandar_v at yahoo.com (Mandar Vaze) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21624] Re: Name resolution not working Message-ID: <20000926012155.40433.qmail@web218.mail.yahoo.com> Yes, I'm using Cisco 675 for doing NAT. IP Addr of my linux machine is 10.0.0.2 (Assigned by DHCD server running on Cisco 675) cbos>show nat NAT is currently enabled Inside Global Address set to 63.228.43.76 Inside Local Inside Global Timer Flags Protocol 10.0.0.2:22 63.224.6.31:22 0 0x41 tcp This was setup for ssh connection (for other machine, not with me anymore) Here's some more output: ---------------------------------------------- [mandar@omega mandar]$ cat /etc/nsswitch.conf | grep hosts #hosts: db files nisplus nis dns hosts: files dns [mandar@omega mandar]$ cat /etc/hosts 127.0.0.1 omega localhost 204.147.80.1 ns3.mn.uswest.net 204.147.80.5 ns1.mn.uswest.net [mandar@omega mandar]$ nslookup - ns3.mn.uswest.net *** Can't find server name for address 204.147.80.1: No response from server *** Default servers are not available [mandar@omega mandar]$ ---------------------------------------------- -Mandar __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Sep 25 21:28:53 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21592] Pentium Pro's References: <0G1G009AONIBSS@mail1.supervalu.com> <20000925160614.F14241@real-time.com> Message-ID: <39D009E5.F9EE25B7@tc.umn.edu> Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > > IBM's Sequent servers are NUMA machines, not SMP. (That's > > why they bought Sequent - for the NUMA tech.) > > As I understood it, NUMA is just one SMP architecture (among others,like > ccNUMA, or COMA). it uses a number of identical processors, so shouldn't it > still be called Symmetric Multi-Processing? (as opposed to Asymmetric > Multi-Processing). The big deal with NUMA is that the memory is not located in one big chunk (like on a run of the mill SMP board). Of course, even on a simple SMP system, the memory is still Non-Uniform -- each processor has a local cache. Just my random irrelevant 2?.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Gates' Law: The speed of / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ software halves every 18 \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) months [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at usinternet.com Mon Sep 25 21:54:15 2000 From: blutgens at usinternet.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21519] apache URL problem In-Reply-To: <0G1F00NJEZ9U4C@mail1.supervalu.com>; from Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com on Mon, Sep 25, 2000 at 06:58:18AM -0500 References: <0G1F00NJEZ9U4C@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: <20000925215415.A13157@ares.usinternet.com> On Mon, Sep 25, 2000 at 06:58:18AM -0500, Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: >Actually, what you're really looking for is mod_alias, which can >transparently redirect URLs for you. It should be compiled into >by default. Take a look at your apache documentation. > Actually Scott Dier sent a simple shell script that did it slick as hell. -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at usinternet.com Mon Sep 25 21:56:08 2000 From: blutgens at usinternet.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21577] compiling php4 for mysql and apache In-Reply-To: <39CF547E.3027F399@bgea.org>; from jhawley@bgea.org on Mon, Sep 25, 2000 at 08:34:54AM -0500 References: <20000924071846.A27604@attglobal.net> <39CEBBE7.B48573E0@ltiflex.com> <39CF547E.3027F399@bgea.org> Message-ID: <20000925215608.B13157@ares.usinternet.com> On Mon, Sep 25, 2000 at 08:34:54AM -0500, John Hawley wrote: >Hey, > >I'm trying to get Apache // php4 // MySQL working on a Debian/Woody box, but >get the following msg from the php-powered page: >Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() ... > apt-get install is your friend. All of these things are apt-gettable. You can use apt-cache search foo to find package names. -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Mon Sep 25 22:14:48 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21628] RH 7.0 up and available Message-ID: <20000925221448.F3653@real-time.com> RH 7.0 is up and running ON ftp.mn-linux.org NOTE this is a NEW machine name. Gladiator will become officially ftp.mn-linux.org once we get all the distros mirrored. ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/redhat -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From isla0005 at tc.umn.edu Mon Sep 25 01:06:17 2000 From: isla0005 at tc.umn.edu (apu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21561] Server Chassis References: <20000924071846.A27604@attglobal.net> <39CEBBE7.B48573E0@ltiflex.com> <39CF6225.E0AFF3D@bgea.org> Message-ID: <39CEEB59.6B4C832E@tc.umn.edu> Does anyone know about any place where I can buy a cheap server chassis ? (2U) I am looking for something under $200. It woould be nice if it can house a full size ATX platters with room for a few goodies. Apu --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Mon Sep 25 23:04:02 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21561] Server Chassis In-Reply-To: <39CEEB59.6B4C832E@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: 2U cases are normaly more expensive than $200, i'd say more 3-400, even 4U cases are more than $200. the only cases i've seen for $200 or less are all tower cases.. i got a nice larger mid-tower for my server for $100 (plus shipping) www.antec-inc.com Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Sun, 24 Sep 2000, apu wrote: > Does anyone know about any place where I can buy a cheap server chassis ? (2U) > I am looking for something under $200. It woould be nice if it can house a full > size ATX platters with room for a few goodies. > > > Apu > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Mon Sep 25 23:14:34 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21602] Carl at Real-Time (was Re: [TCLUG:21592] Pentium Pro's) In-Reply-To: <20000925161628.I14241@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Mon, Sep 25, 2000 at 04:16:28PM -0500 References: <0G1G00832KR1WM@mail1.supervalu.com> <20000925153830.D14241@real-time.com> <969916303.39cfbf8f1fbe7@www.fandre.com> <20000925161628.I14241@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20000925231434.C17762@ringworld.org> * Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom [000925 16:16]: > we _are_ still looking for a Java programmer. :) Heh. if I wasn't in school... -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It's been awhile since the last installfest and with a major RH > update coming it might be a good time to schedule one. And, its a perfect time to help *anyone* out there still on slink to upgrade to potato. Since slink updates for security will be discontinued soon. -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Here are a sample, I'll leave hostnames off so not to embarrass anyone. :-) anonymous/bob@bob.org anonymous/rh@redhatrocks.com anonymous/leech@leech.org anonymous/bob@doesnotreadthis.com Nice, huh... -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Sep 26 00:12:54 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21633] Leeches! In-Reply-To: <20000925234901.N3653@real-time.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Mon, 25 Sep 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > All ready at max for anonymous ftp. All 50 are MN connections. None of which were me - I was playing Dungeon Keeper II and the @#$%^& hung on me RIGHT BEFORE THE LEVEL ENDED so I had to start again. Now I can't seem to get lftp OR wget to get the thing, but on a fluke I managed a good connection with Good Ol' Plain Vanilla FTP... thank gooodness for DSL (: So it's like 2 CDs now, that'll help the DL. And I just noticed I'm DLing it to the machine with the SLOW Ethernet card and no CDR.... -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Tue Sep 26 00:16:23 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21633] Leeches! In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Tue, Sep 26, 2000 at 12:12:54AM -0500 References: <20000925234901.N3653@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20000926001623.A7888@real-time.com> > > All ready at max for anonymous ftp. All 50 are MN connections. > > None of which were me - I was playing Dungeon Keeper II and the @#$%^& Quick! Leech, the 2am mirror will start in 2 hours and bandwidth will go to hell! -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Sep 26 00:21:04 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21633] Leeches! In-Reply-To: <20000926001623.A7888@real-time.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Tue, 26 Sep 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quick! Leech, the 2am mirror will start in 2 hours and bandwidth will go to > hell! Well, I _am_ leeching, but unfortunetly I'm leacing 7.0-i386*, which includes the SRPM CD which I really don't want, but I _do_ want to go to sleep... Hey wait a minute, the thing isn't updating again at 2am, is it? And wait another minute, I'm DSL'd to Real-Time, am I still taking away your total bandwidth? -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at usinternet.com Tue Sep 26 00:28:42 2000 From: blutgens at usinternet.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21633] Leeches! In-Reply-To: <20000925234901.N3653@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Mon, Sep 25, 2000 at 11:49:01PM -0500 References: <20000925234901.N3653@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20000926002842.A14659@ares.usinternet.com> On Mon, Sep 25, 2000 at 11:49:01PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: >Man, you people are leeches! > >anonymous/bob@bob.org >anonymous/rh@redhatrocks.com >anonymous/leech@leech.org >anonymous/bob@doesnotreadthis.com > HAHAHAHAHA THAT SHIT IS FUNNY! HAHAHA I ahev done that type of thing many times, and always wondered if anyoen caught it. "anonymous/bob@doesnotreadthis.com" Now that's funny as hell. -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Tue Sep 26 00:36:19 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21561] Server Chassis References: Message-ID: <39D035D3.DFB2602A@tcfreenet.org> Ben Kochie wrote: > > 2U cases are normaly more expensive than $200, i'd say more 3-400, even 4U > cases are more than $200. the only cases i've seen for $200 or less are > all tower cases.. i got a nice larger mid-tower for my server for $100 > (plus shipping) www.antec-inc.com Yeah, the 2u case we bought for perkinz.org ended up costing us ~$300 all told, IIRC. It was ordered direct from antec actually... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Tue Sep 26 00:42:49 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21619] PCI / PCMCIA linkage? References: <20000925161709.W31417@real-time.com> <20000925171639.G31417@real-time.com> <00092517472200.00148@homer> Message-ID: <39D03759.EF96892@tcfreenet.org> Bill Layer wrote: > > When building 2.2.16 without PCI support compiled-in, I get a total failure of > PCMCIA drivers on boot up. This makes sense if the PCMCIA cardbus is on the PCI > bus, but at boot time, a stock kernel reports: > > PCI: No PCI bus detected. > > Would seem safe to remove any PCI support if I truly lack the hardware, eh? For > the record, the PCMCIA controller is an Intel i82365s, and it works perfectly > on a kernel _with_ PCI support built-in. > > So if I have "no PCI" how is it that the PCMCIA fails after making a kernel > without PCI support? Is the boot message a lie? You have to reconfigure PCMCIA to not compile cardbus and whatever else seperately, since it isn't completely integrated into the kernel in 2.2.x. PCMCIA has its own config. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Tue Sep 26 00:43:21 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21602] Carl at Real-Time (was Re: [TCLUG:21592] Pentium Pro's) References: <0G1G00832KR1WM@mail1.supervalu.com> <20000925153830.D14241@real-time.com> <969916303.39cfbf8f1fbe7@www.fandre.com> <20000925161628.I14241@real-time.com> Message-ID: <39D03779.B2CDE97F@tcfreenet.org> > we _are_ still looking for a Java programmer. :) Give me a year... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Tue Sep 26 00:41:29 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21641] Carl at Real-Time (was Re: [TCLUG:21592] Pentium Pro's) In-Reply-To: <39D03779.B2CDE97F@tcfreenet.org>; from lerwick@tcfreenet.org on Tue, Sep 26, 2000 at 12:43:21AM -0500 References: <0G1G00832KR1WM@mail1.supervalu.com> <20000925153830.D14241@real-time.com> <969916303.39cfbf8f1fbe7@www.fandre.com> <20000925161628.I14241@real-time.com> <39D03779.B2CDE97F@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <20000926004129.C7888@real-time.com> Quoting Callum Lerwick (lerwick@tcfreenet.org): > > we _are_ still looking for a Java programmer. :) > > Give me a year... In a year, Java won't be around anymore. :-) -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Tue Sep 26 00:54:32 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21642] QNX Real Time Platfom? Message-ID: <39D03A18.F464F6DF@tcfreenet.org> Anyone else get some spam in their email about the QNX "Real Time Platform"? I've always wanted to mess with QNX, and it says it plays Q3, so I leeched the iso... ;) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Tue Sep 26 00:55:15 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21641] Carl at Real-Time (was Re: [TCLUG:21592] Pentium Pro's) References: <0G1G00832KR1WM@mail1.supervalu.com> <20000925153830.D14241@real-time.com> <969916303.39cfbf8f1fbe7@www.fandre.com> <20000925161628.I14241@real-time.com> <39D03779.B2CDE97F@tcfreenet.org> <20000926004129.C7888@real-time.com> Message-ID: <39D03A43.F8DBC091@tcfreenet.org> Bob Tanner wrote: > > Quoting Callum Lerwick (lerwick@tcfreenet.org): > > > we _are_ still looking for a Java programmer. :) > > > > Give me a year... > > In a year, Java won't be around anymore. :-) Well then I won't bother. ;) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Tue Sep 26 01:03:04 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21644] Redhat 7.0 FAQ ? Message-ID: <20000926010304.D7888@real-time.com> I have gotten several email asking how to burn a bootable cdrom for rh 7.0, I kind of just responded with what worked on rh 6.2. Since I have not done this myself and I got feedback that what I said to do was not correct. Can someone respond on what the command should be? I just told them to cdrecord -isosize -v dev= speed= disk.iso. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Sep 26 01:19:48 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21642] QNX Real Time Platfom? In-Reply-To: <39D03A18.F464F6DF@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: Hi, On Tue, 26 Sep 2000, Callum Lerwick wrote: > Anyone else get some spam in their email about the QNX "Real Time > Platform"? I did, but since it came for "qnx@yaron.org" I have to assume I asked for it. Funny thing is I get the "We wanted to give you the change to be one of the first to try" Email about 3 hours _afteR_ I'd burned the ISO on a CD... -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Tue Sep 26 01:24:51 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21644] Redhat 7.0 FAQ ? References: <20000926010304.D7888@real-time.com> Message-ID: <39D04133.4C2CD994@tcfreenet.org> > Can someone respond on what the command should be? > > I just told them to cdrecord -isosize -v dev= speed= disk.iso. Isosize isn't needed if its a real file... Its useful for taking ISO's in from stdin, like for generating said ISO on the fly. ;) They aren't asking about making* an ISO are they? Since making it bootable is purely mkisofs's problem. If you're taking an ISO from RedHat and its not booting then its their problem... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Sep 26 01:23:09 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21644] Redhat 7.0 FAQ ? In-Reply-To: <20000926010304.D7888@real-time.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Tue, 26 Sep 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > Since I have not done this myself and I got feedback that what I said to do was > not correct. > Can someone respond on what the command should be? Well, unless they made the ISO bootable, there's nothing you can do, really... and if it IS bootable there's nothing you should need to do! Perhaps the person asking was trying to create a bootable ISO and didn't know how to do that with mkisofs? In which case you need to specify -b -c , relative to the / on the ISO image, ie, -b images/boot.img -c images/boot.catalog. boot.catalog doesn't have to be anything, it'll be created by mkisofs. -Yaron, who couldn't sleep so he decided, hey, I'll read email. -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Tue Sep 26 03:03:24 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21648] MySQL just hangs? Message-ID: <20000926030324.C10985@real-time.com> Anyone every have MySQL just hang? When I try to stop it I get: '\c'. '\c'. '\c'. '\c'. '\c'. Giving up! When I try a mysql on the command line, it just hangs. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From subb3 at attglobal.net Tue Sep 26 01:38:31 2000 From: subb3 at attglobal.net (Subba Rao) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21649] Limits of grep? Message-ID: <20000926063831.A5491@attglobal.net> Hi I have a directory of 10000+ text files and would like to search for some strings in these files. When I tried using "grep" command with an asterisk, I get the error message somthing to the effect, "File argument list too long" What is the file argument limit for grep? I guess you need the grep source for this. I did not find any information in the man page. Are there any other recommended tools to search through such large list of files? Thank you in advance. Subba Rao subb3@attglobal.net http://pws.prserv.net/truemax/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Tue Sep 26 07:37:01 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21633] Leeches! In-Reply-To: <20000925234901.N3653@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 25 Sep 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > I love some of the username/password combos. Here are a sample, I'll leave > hostnames off so not to embarrass anyone. :-) > > anonymous/bob@bob.org > anonymous/rh@redhatrocks.com > anonymous/leech@leech.org > anonymous/bob@doesnotreadthis.com > > Nice, huh... Yeah, but it weirded me out a little -- I used to work with a guy whose name was (spelling and all) Bob Leech. What are the odds! Phil M -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From trammell at nitz.hep.umn.edu Tue Sep 26 00:48:21 2000 From: trammell at nitz.hep.umn.edu (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21649] Limits of grep? Message-ID: <200009260548.AAA10384@nitz.hep.umn.edu> Subba Rao done wrote: > I have a directory of 10000+ text files and would like to search for > some strings in these files. When I tried using "grep" command with an > asterisk, I get the error message somthing to the effect, > > "File argument list too long" > > What is the file argument limit for grep? I guess you need the grep source > for this. I did not find any information in the man page. This message is from the shell; grep is fine with the big lists. There are a couple ways around it that I'm aware of. Maybe someone on the list can contribute a better answer, but these get the job done: 1. whip up a short perl or shell script to break up the list 2. use find + xargs to break up the list Hope one of these works for you. J --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From clay at fandre.com Tue Sep 26 09:04:06 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21623] Re: Name resolution not working In-Reply-To: <20000926012052.18650.qmail@web204.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20000926012052.18650.qmail@web204.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <969977046.39d0acd67c846@www.fandre.com> Quoting Mandar Vaze : > Yes, I'm using Cisco 675 for doing NAT. > IP Addr of my linux machine is 10.0.0.2 (Assigned by > DHCD server running on Cisco 675) > > cbos>show nat > NAT is currently enabled > Inside Global Address set to 63.228.43.76 > Inside Local Inside Global Timer Flags Protocol > 10.0.0.2:22 63.224.6.31:22 0 0x41 tcp > > This was setup for ssh connection (for other machine, > not with me anymore) > > Here's some more output: > ---------------------------------------------- > [mandar@omega mandar]$ cat /etc/nsswitch.conf | grep > hosts > #hosts: db files nisplus nis dns > hosts: files dns > [mandar@omega mandar]$ cat /etc/hosts > 127.0.0.1 omega localhost > 204.147.80.1 ns3.mn.uswest.net > 204.147.80.5 ns1.mn.uswest.net > [mandar@omega mandar]$ nslookup - ns3.mn.uswest.net > *** Can't find server name for address 204.147.80.1: > No response from server > *** Default servers are not available > [mandar@omega mandar]$ > You're running Mandrake, right? How about installing Debian? (That's what Ben would say, anyway.) Do you have a BBC? If you do, see if that works. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Tue Sep 26 09:23:51 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21649] Limits of grep? In-Reply-To: <20000926063831.A5491@attglobal.net> Message-ID: The shell expands the *, not grep. You want to use either xargs or a script: for file in `ls -1` do grep "string" $file done xargs is really the solution though, check the manual. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Tue, 26 Sep 2000, Subba Rao wrote: > Hi > > I have a directory of 10000+ text files and would like to search for > some strings in these files. When I tried using "grep" command with an > asterisk, I get the error message somthing to the effect, > > "File argument list too long" > > What is the file argument limit for grep? I guess you need the grep source > for this. I did not find any information in the man page. > > Are there any other recommended tools to search through such large list of > files? > > Thank you in advance. > > Subba Rao > subb3@attglobal.net > http://pws.prserv.net/truemax/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Tue Sep 26 09:30:36 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21649] Limits of grep? In-Reply-To: ; from adamm@sihope.com on Tue, Sep 26, 2000 at 09:23:51AM -0500 References: <20000926063831.A5491@attglobal.net> Message-ID: <20000926093036.A20109@sorry.cs.umn.edu> On Tue, Sep 26, 2000 at 09:23:51AM -0500, Adam Maloney wrote: > The shell expands the *, not grep. You want to use either xargs or a > script: > > for file in `ls -1` > do > grep "string" $file > done > > xargs is really the solution though, check the manual. > I think it would just be find . -type f | xargs grep pattern Where pattern is what you're searching for. Though, I'm not sure if the shell will complain about this or not, but I don't think so. If I had a dir with 10000 files in it, I'd let you know for sure :) Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "My dinosaur droppings! Painted like Easter eggs!" - Ren Hoek in "Sven Hoek" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From bob at math.umn.edu Tue Sep 26 09:32:00 2000 From: bob at math.umn.edu (bob@math.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21649] Limits of grep? In-Reply-To: <20000926063831.A5491@attglobal.net> from Subba Rao at "Sep 26, 2000 06:38:31 am" Message-ID: <20000926143200.19361.qmail@khusro.math.umn.edu> Subba Rao allegedly wrote: > Hi > > I have a directory of 10000+ text files and would like to search for > some strings in these files. When I tried using "grep" command with an > asterisk, I get the error message somthing to the effect, > > "File argument list too long" > > What is the file argument limit for grep? I guess you need the grep source > for this. I did not find any information in the man page. > > Are there any other recommended tools to search through such large list of > files? You might try this: ls -1 > filelist cat filelist | sed 's/^/grep a_string_of_importance /' > filelist chmod 700 filelist filelist Yes, it makes a big file. No, you will not need to worry about the dread "File argument list too long" message. And finally, yes, there is probably a smarter way to do this. HTH. Adios, Chris -- C.S. Cornuelle School of Mathematics/MCIM, University of Minnesota 206 Church St. SE, Minneapolis, MN 55455 (612) 626-8930v, (612) 624-2333f, bob at math.umn.edu Ferventer Vestite --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Tue Sep 26 09:39:43 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21619] PCI / PCMCIA linkage? Message-ID: <0G1I00GNO1H3WC@mail1.supervalu.com> I was almost positive that you need PCI to have PCMCIA work. I'm almost completely sure that PCMCIA Controllers look like just another PCI "card" to the system - no different than your sound card, network card, etc. Nick lerwick@tcfreenet.org, on 09/26/2000 12:42:49 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF cc: Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21619] PCI / PCMCIA linkage? Bill Layer wrote: > > When building 2.2.16 without PCI support compiled-in, I get a total failure of > PCMCIA drivers on boot up. This makes sense if the PCMCIA cardbus is on the PCI > bus, but at boot time, a stock kernel reports: > > PCI: No PCI bus detected. > > Would seem safe to remove any PCI support if I truly lack the hardware, eh? For > the record, the PCMCIA controller is an Intel i82365s, and it works perfectly > on a kernel _with_ PCI support built-in. > > So if I have "no PCI" how is it that the PCMCIA fails after making a kernel > without PCI support? Is the boot message a lie? You have to reconfigure PCMCIA to not compile cardbus and whatever else seperately, since it isn't completely integrated into the kernel in 2.2.x. PCMCIA has its own config. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Tue Sep 26 09:56:25 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21649] Limits of grep? In-Reply-To: <20000926143200.19361.qmail@khusro.math.umn.edu> Message-ID: Or: ls -1 > filelist awk '{ printf("grep string %s\n", $1) }' filelist > script.sh chmod +x script.sh ./script.sh awk owns your 'fro! Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Tue, 26 Sep 2000 bob@math.umn.edu wrote: > Subba Rao allegedly wrote: > > Hi > > > > I have a directory of 10000+ text files and would like to search for > > some strings in these files. When I tried using "grep" command with an > > asterisk, I get the error message somthing to the effect, > > > > "File argument list too long" > > > > What is the file argument limit for grep? I guess you need the grep source > > for this. I did not find any information in the man page. > > > > Are there any other recommended tools to search through such large list of > > files? > > You might try this: > > ls -1 > filelist > cat filelist | sed 's/^/grep a_string_of_importance /' > filelist > chmod 700 filelist > filelist > > Yes, it makes a big file. No, you will not need to worry about the dread > "File argument list too long" message. And finally, yes, there is probably > a smarter way to do this. > > HTH. > > Adios, > Chris > -- > C.S. Cornuelle > School of Mathematics/MCIM, University of Minnesota > 206 Church St. SE, Minneapolis, MN 55455 > (612) 626-8930v, (612) 624-2333f, bob at math.umn.edu > Ferventer Vestite > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chuck at milams.net Tue Sep 26 09:58:47 2000 From: chuck at milams.net (Chuck Milam) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21658] Red Hat 7.0 Powertools ISO In-Reply-To: <0G1I00GNO1H3WC@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: The Red Hat 7.0 Powertools ISO doesn't seem the be there: wget ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/redhat/releases/guinness/iso/7.0-i386-powertools.iso --09:57:23-- ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org:21/linux/redhat/releases/guinness/iso/7.0-i386-powertools.iso => `7.0-i386-powertools.iso' Connecting to ftp.mn-linux.org:21... connected! Logging in as anonymous ... Logged in! ==> TYPE I ... done. ==> CWD linux/redhat/releases/guinness/iso ... done. ==> PORT ... done. ==> RETR 7.0-i386-powertools.iso ... No such file `7.0-i386-powertools.iso'. Is the file really missing, or is there just a bad symlink somewhere? -- Chuck Milam chuck@milams.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Tue Sep 26 10:03:30 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21658] Red Hat 7.0 Powertools ISO In-Reply-To: ; from chuck@milams.net on Tue, Sep 26, 2000 at 09:58:47AM -0500 References: <0G1I00GNO1H3WC@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: <20000926100330.B20109@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Nope, it's not there (well, I didn't see it with the rest of the ISO's, anyway). Gabe On Tue, Sep 26, 2000 at 09:58:47AM -0500, Chuck Milam wrote: > > The Red Hat 7.0 Powertools ISO doesn't seem the be there: > > wget ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/redhat/releases/guinness/iso/7.0-i386-powertools.iso > --09:57:23-- > ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org:21/linux/redhat/releases/guinness/iso/7.0-i386-powertools.iso > => `7.0-i386-powertools.iso' > Connecting to ftp.mn-linux.org:21... connected! > Logging in as anonymous ... Logged in! > ==> TYPE I ... done. ==> CWD linux/redhat/releases/guinness/iso ... done. > ==> PORT ... done. ==> RETR 7.0-i386-powertools.iso ... > No such file `7.0-i386-powertools.iso'. > > Is the file really missing, or is there just a bad symlink somewhere? > > -- > Chuck Milam > chuck@milams.net > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "My dinosaur droppings! Painted like Easter eggs!" - Ren Hoek in "Sven Hoek" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lxy at antares.cloudnet.com Tue Sep 26 10:09:49 2000 From: lxy at antares.cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21660] Red Hat 7.0 Powertools ISO Message-ID: <200009261509.KAA02414@antares.cloudnet.com> I followed one of the links you posted Chuck and I'm downloading a 600 MB file. I'm feeling the need for speed as it crawls in at 8 K/sec :-). --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Tue Sep 26 10:13:15 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21641] Carl at Real-Time (was Re: [TCLUG:21592] Pentium Pro's) In-Reply-To: <20000926004129.C7888@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Tue, Sep 26, 2000 at 12:41:29AM -0500 References: <0G1G00832KR1WM@mail1.supervalu.com> <20000925153830.D14241@real-time.com> <969916303.39cfbf8f1fbe7@www.fandre.com> <20000925161628.I14241@real-time.com> <39D03779.B2CDE97F@tcfreenet.org> <20000926004129.C7888@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20000926101315.A6707@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [000926 00:41]: > Quoting Callum Lerwick (lerwick@tcfreenet.org): > > > we _are_ still looking for a Java programmer. :) > > > > Give me a year... > > In a year, Java won't be around anymore. :-) Thats been the mantra for the past two, right? -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <20000926010304.D7888@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 26 Sep 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > I have gotten several email asking how to burn a bootable cdrom for rh 7.0, I > kind of just responded with what worked on rh 6.2. > > Since I have not done this myself and I got feedback that what I said to do was > not correct. > > Can someone respond on what the command should be? > > I just told them to cdrecord -isosize -v dev= speed= disk.iso. As long as the image includes the boot stuff.. cdrecord dev=x,y,z speed=12 -vv -eject -data -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Tue Sep 26 10:18:25 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21633] Leeches! In-Reply-To: <20000925234901.N3653@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Mon, Sep 25, 2000 at 11:49:01PM -0500 References: <20000925234901.N3653@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20000926101825.B6707@ringworld.org> I would get 7.0 up on ftp.cs.umn.edu, but I don't know how much space we have floating around for mirroring. We *are* moving the ftp site someday to a box with lots more space, however. * Bob Tanner [000925 23:49]: > Man, you people are leeches! > > % ps -ef | grep proftp | wc -l > 50 > > All ready at max for anonymous ftp. All 50 are MN connections. > > I love some of the username/password combos. Here are a sample, I'll leave > hostnames off so not to embarrass anyone. :-) > > anonymous/bob@bob.org > anonymous/rh@redhatrocks.com > anonymous/leech@leech.org > anonymous/bob@doesnotreadthis.com > > Nice, huh... > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Nope, you're using the bandwidth on our ATM DSL link. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From esper at sherohman.org Tue Sep 26 10:26:04 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21649] Limits of grep? In-Reply-To: <20000926093036.A20109@sorry.cs.umn.edu>; from dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu on Tue, Sep 26, 2000 at 09:30:36AM -0500 References: <20000926063831.A5491@attglobal.net> <20000926093036.A20109@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20000926102604.A1715@sherohman.org> On Tue, Sep 26, 2000 at 09:30:36AM -0500, dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > I think it would just be > > find . -type f | xargs grep pattern If you're using find, is there ant advantage to using xargs instead of find handling the filenames itself? find . -type f -exec grep pattern {} \; (Well, OK... I guess my version is a few more keystrokes...) -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mandar_v at yahoo.com Tue Sep 26 10:28:01 2000 From: mandar_v at yahoo.com (Mandar Vaze) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21623] Re: Name resolution not working Message-ID: <20000926152801.47710.qmail@web218.mail.yahoo.com> >You're running Mandrake, right? How about installing >Debian? (That's what Ben would say, anyway.) >Do you have a BBC? If you do, see if that works. What is BBC ? -Mandar __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Tue Sep 26 10:43:50 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21623] Re: Name resolution not working In-Reply-To: <20000926152801.47710.qmail@web218.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The British Broadcasting Company, England's finest! Wonderful humor like Monty Python's flying circus, 'Allo 'allo!, etc. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Tue, 26 Sep 2000, Mandar Vaze wrote: > >You're running Mandrake, right? How about installing > >Debian? (That's what Ben would say, anyway.) > > >Do you have a BBC? If you do, see if that works. > > What is BBC ? > > -Mandar > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Tue Sep 26 10:47:29 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21649] Limits of grep? In-Reply-To: <20000926102604.A1715@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Tue, Sep 26, 2000 at 10:26:04AM -0500 References: <20000926063831.A5491@attglobal.net> <20000926093036.A20109@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <20000926102604.A1715@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20000926104729.C20109@sorry.cs.umn.edu> On Tue, Sep 26, 2000 at 10:26:04AM -0500, Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Tue, Sep 26, 2000 at 09:30:36AM -0500, dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > > I think it would just be > > > > find . -type f | xargs grep pattern > > If you're using find, is there ant advantage to using xargs instead of find > handling the filenames itself? > > find . -type f -exec grep pattern {} \; > > (Well, OK... I guess my version is a few more keystrokes...) > Yes, using xargs in this case takes an itty-bitty fraction of the time it takes to exec out of find. The reason: find . -type f -exec grep pattern {} \; execs grep on _each_ file it finds, individually, where as find . -type f | xargs grep pattern execs grep on all the files collectively. You'd see something similar if you did find . -type f | xargs chmod 644 vs. find . -type f -exec chmod 644 {} \;. THe latter would take orders of magnitude longer, while the former would happen in the blink of an eye. Just try it. Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "My dinosaur droppings! Painted like Easter eggs!" - Ren Hoek in "Sven Hoek" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From wilson at visi.com Tue Sep 26 11:15:41 2000 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21623] Re: Name resolution not working In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 26 Sep 2000, Adam Maloney wrote: > The British Broadcasting Company, England's finest! Wonderful humor like > Monty Python's flying circus, 'Allo 'allo!, etc. > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications OK, Maloney's just pulling your chain. Actually, the BBC is Linuxcare's "Bootable Business Card." Besides being a pretty cool rescue disk it includes a very simple Debian installer. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From trammell at nitz.hep.umn.edu Tue Sep 26 03:50:21 2000 From: trammell at nitz.hep.umn.edu (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21649] Limits of grep? Message-ID: <200009260850.DAA10705@nitz.hep.umn.edu> Adam Maloney wrote: > ls -1 > filelist > awk '{ printf("grep string %s\n", $1) }' filelist > script.sh > chmod +x script.sh > ./script.sh > > awk owns your 'fro! perl -e 'print `grep pattern $_` while <*>' :-) J --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Tue Sep 26 11:25:50 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21649] Limits of grep? In-Reply-To: <200009260850.DAA10705@nitz.hep.umn.edu> Message-ID: ls -1 | xargs awk /pattern/ Awk vs. Perl - AWK wins! Awk owns you, foo. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Tue, 26 Sep 2000, John J. Trammell wrote: > Adam Maloney wrote: > > > ls -1 > filelist > > awk '{ printf("grep string %s\n", $1) }' filelist > script.sh > > chmod +x script.sh > > ./script.sh > > > > awk owns your 'fro! > > perl -e 'print `grep pattern $_` while <*>' > > :-) > > J > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From trammell at nitz.hep.umn.edu Tue Sep 26 04:08:05 2000 From: trammell at nitz.hep.umn.edu (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21649] Limits of grep? Message-ID: <200009260908.EAA10819@nitz.hep.umn.edu> Adam Maloney wrote: > > ls -1 | xargs awk /pattern/ > > Awk vs. Perl - AWK wins! > > Awk owns you, foo. Sheeeit. Yo wack-ass awk scrip leanin on ls an xargs. Awk got no skeelz fo isself, nome sain? Alla homies KNOW Perl tha crazy phat shit. Tha Big J --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Tue Sep 26 11:45:29 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21649] Limits of grep? In-Reply-To: <200009260908.EAA10819@nitz.hep.umn.edu> Message-ID: why bring da sawed off when the 9 'mil will do holmes? You be packin' a 650k gat, that phat bee-atch is heavy, yo! You jus' pick up that tight lil' awk an start blowin' 'em filez away. Slap 'mah 'fro. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Tue, 26 Sep 2000, John J. Trammell wrote: > Adam Maloney wrote: > > > > ls -1 | xargs awk /pattern/ > > > > Awk vs. Perl - AWK wins! > > > > Awk owns you, foo. > > Sheeeit. Yo wack-ass awk scrip leanin on ls an xargs. Awk got > no skeelz fo isself, nome sain? Alla homies KNOW Perl tha crazy > phat shit. > > Tha Big J > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From trammell at nitz.hep.umn.edu Tue Sep 26 04:24:27 2000 From: trammell at nitz.hep.umn.edu (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21649] Limits of grep? Message-ID: <200009260924.EAA10869@nitz.hep.umn.edu> > why bring da sawed off when the 9 'mil will do holmes? You be packin' a > 650k gat, that phat bee-atch is heavy, yo! You jus' pick up that tight > lil' awk an start blowin' 'em filez away. Slap 'mah 'fro. Word. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Tue Sep 26 11:54:29 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21675] Contribution to NANAE Message-ID: Sung to Fleetwood Mac's "The Chain" Solemn apologies to Lindsey Buckingham, Stevie Nicks, Mick Fleetwood, Christine McVie, and John McVie. ----------------------------------- Listen to the spam flow Watch your account fry Hide in the shadows Damn your spam Damn your lies And if You don't remove me now You will never spam me again I can still nuke your account You would never stand to gain And if You don't remove me now You will never spam me again I can still nuke your account You would never stand to gain Listen to the spam flow Down comes the LART Hide in the shadows Damn your spam Damn your lies Rape open relays Spam the gals Spam the guys And if You don't remove me now You will never spam me again I can still nuke your account You would never stand to gain And if You don't remove me now You will never spam me again I can still nuke your account You would never stand to gain And if You don't remove me now You will never spam me again I can still nuke your account You would never stand to gain (fade out...) pain befalls the spammer runnin in the shadows pain befalls the spammer runnin in the shadows pain befalls the spammer runnin in the shadows ... Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Tue Sep 26 12:36:27 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21675] Contribution to NANAE In-Reply-To: ; from adamm@sihope.com on Tue, Sep 26, 2000 at 11:54:29AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20000926123627.E6707@ringworld.org> And if you need more side splitting humor http://images.kuro5hin.org/jerky/spammer.mp3 * Adam Maloney [000926 11:54]: > Sung to Fleetwood Mac's "The Chain" > > Solemn apologies to Lindsey Buckingham, Stevie Nicks, > Mick Fleetwood, Christine McVie, and John McVie. > > ----------------------------------- > > Listen to the spam flow > Watch your account fry > > Hide in the shadows > Damn your spam > Damn your lies > > And if > You don't remove me now > You will never spam me again > I can still nuke your account > You would never stand to gain > > And if > You don't remove me now > You will never spam me again > I can still nuke your account > You would never stand to gain > > Listen to the spam flow > Down comes the LART > > Hide in the shadows > Damn your spam > Damn your lies > > Rape open relays > Spam the gals > Spam the guys > > And if > You don't remove me now > You will never spam me again > I can still nuke your account > You would never stand to gain > > And if > You don't remove me now > You will never spam me again > I can still nuke your account > You would never stand to gain > > And if > You don't remove me now > You will never spam me again > I can still nuke your account > You would never stand to gain > > (fade out...) > pain befalls the spammer > runnin in the shadows > pain befalls the spammer > runnin in the shadows > pain befalls the spammer > runnin in the shadows > ... > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Logged in! > ==> TYPE I ... done. ==> CWD linux/redhat/releases/guinness/iso ... done. > ==> PORT ... done. ==> RETR 7.0-i386-powertools.iso ... > No such file `7.0-i386-powertools.iso'. > > Is the file really missing, or is there just a bad symlink somewhere? > really missing, did not people wanted the powertools. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Tue Sep 26 13:00:09 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21675] Contribution to NANAE In-Reply-To: <20000926123627.E6707@ringworld.org> Message-ID: Is that with the guy from Canada calling up the guy in Bumsville Ohio or whatever? I listened to that last night. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Tue, 26 Sep 2000, Scott Dier wrote: > > And if you need more side splitting humor > > http://images.kuro5hin.org/jerky/spammer.mp3 > > * Adam Maloney [000926 11:54]: > > Sung to Fleetwood Mac's "The Chain" > > > > Solemn apologies to Lindsey Buckingham, Stevie Nicks, > > Mick Fleetwood, Christine McVie, and John McVie. > > > > ----------------------------------- > > > > Listen to the spam flow > > Watch your account fry > > > > Hide in the shadows > > Damn your spam > > Damn your lies > > > > And if > > You don't remove me now > > You will never spam me again > > I can still nuke your account > > You would never stand to gain > > > > And if > > You don't remove me now > > You will never spam me again > > I can still nuke your account > > You would never stand to gain > > > > Listen to the spam flow > > Down comes the LART > > > > Hide in the shadows > > Damn your spam > > Damn your lies > > > > Rape open relays > > Spam the gals > > Spam the guys > > > > And if > > You don't remove me now > > You will never spam me again > > I can still nuke your account > > You would never stand to gain > > > > And if > > You don't remove me now > > You will never spam me again > > I can still nuke your account > > You would never stand to gain > > > > And if > > You don't remove me now > > You will never spam me again > > I can still nuke your account > > You would never stand to gain > > > > (fade out...) > > pain befalls the spammer > > runnin in the shadows > > pain befalls the spammer > > runnin in the shadows > > pain befalls the spammer > > runnin in the shadows > > ... > > > > Adam Maloney > > Systems Administrator > > Sihope Communications > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > -- > Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet > http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Tue Sep 26 13:02:28 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21679] Source tarball for glibc-2.1.94? Message-ID: <019e01c027e3$efc7ebd0$ff01060a@metamoris.com> Does anybody know where I can find the source tarball for glibc-2.1.94? I have found 2.1.91 on alpha, but no luck with 2.1.94. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Sep 26 14:11:17 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21680] RH7 dies? Message-ID: Hi, Well... I tried to install it, and the $%^&* installer _crashes_ after formatting my drive. Anyone?... it's saying something about anaconda. I can't save the trace to a floppy cause this machine has an LS120 and RH doesn't like that. -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From drew at usfamily.net Tue Sep 26 16:34:19 2000 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21681] WOW WOW WOW THERE References: Message-ID: <39D1165B.EA06B43F@usfamily.net> Why am I getting double posts from the list??? ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From twakefield at zdnetonebox.com Tue Sep 26 16:33:41 2000 From: twakefield at zdnetonebox.com (Thad Wakefield) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21682] Fast booting linux Message-ID: <20000926213341.YSJS284.mta11.onebox.com@onebox.com> Is there a fast booting version of linux? I seem to recall somebody mentioning one a few weeks ago. I want to put linux on a laptop for network troubleshooting. Thanks Thad Wakefield Phone: (320) 255-4764 Network Engineering Specialist Fax: (320) 255-4778 St Cloud State University Pager : (320) 656-8281 720 4th Av S MC108 St Cloud, MN 56301 ___________________________________________________________________ To get your own FREE ZDNet Onebox - FREE voicemail, email, and fax, all in one place - sign up today at http://www.zdnetonebox.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ehillman at cccu.com Tue Sep 26 16:36:14 2000 From: ehillman at cccu.com (Eric Hillman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:21681] WOW WOW WOW THERE In-Reply-To: <39D1165B.EA06B43F@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <003201c02801$cbbbba50$650aa8c0@cccu.com> > > > Why am I getting double posts from the list??? Maybe you're double subscribed? It's not happening here, anyways. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From esper at sherohman.org Tue Sep 26 16:38:21 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21682] Fast booting linux In-Reply-To: <20000926213341.YSJS284.mta11.onebox.com@onebox.com>; from twakefield@zdnetonebox.com on Tue, Sep 26, 2000 at 02:33:41PM -0700 References: <20000926213341.YSJS284.mta11.onebox.com@onebox.com> Message-ID: <20000926163821.O2028@sherohman.org> On Tue, Sep 26, 2000 at 02:33:41PM -0700, Thad Wakefield wrote: > Is there a fast booting version of linux? I seem to recall somebody > mentioning one a few weeks ago. I want to put linux on a laptop for > network troubleshooting. Does the laptop support suspend-to-disk? That's what I use on mine and it works pretty well. (The graphics gard gets confused if I suspend in X though, so I have to remember to flip over to a console first. No problems other than that, though.) And you're not likely to find anything that boots faster than restarting from a suspend. -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jhawley at bgea.org Tue Sep 26 16:37:48 2000 From: jhawley at bgea.org (John Hawley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21577] compiling php4 for mysql and apache References: <20000924071846.A27604@attglobal.net> <39CEBBE7.B48573E0@ltiflex.com> <39CF547E.3027F399@bgea.org> <20000925215608.B13157@ares.usinternet.com> Message-ID: <39D1172C.CB60B470@bgea.org> Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Mon, Sep 25, 2000 at 08:34:54AM -0500, John Hawley wrote: > >Hey, > > > >I'm trying to get Apache // php4 // MySQL working on a Debian/Woody box, but > >get the following msg from the php-powered page: > >Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() ... > > > > apt-get install is your friend. All of these things are apt-gettable. yep, thats what I did. Unfortunately the PHP package doesn't include MySQL support so grab the source. But then the Apache development environment was missing for creating the php apache module, so also had to grab the source for Apache. But, yes, apt-get's the greatest when it gets ya what ya needs. :) -jh --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From drew at usfamily.net Tue Sep 26 16:44:48 2000 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21681] WOW WOW WOW THERE References: <003201c02801$cbbbba50$650aa8c0@cccu.com> Message-ID: <39D118D0.CBDDC3C5@usfamily.net> I'm using netscape to check my email, this has never happened before untill today from about 10:00 I just checked my mail and all the messages that were marked as read were read, but right underneath each message there is an identical one that is marked unread, and It's only form the list, I had some one send me an email and it did not happen Eric Hillman wrote: > > > > > > Why am I getting double posts from the list??? > > Maybe you're double subscribed? It's not happening here, anyways. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Tue Sep 26 17:10:42 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21681] WOW WOW WOW THERE In-Reply-To: <39D118D0.CBDDC3C5@usfamily.net> Message-ID: I had a similar problem using NS' mail before. When I started getting a lot of messages it would act real strangely. I'd get double messages. Best I could tell it was a problem with netscape because I watched popper and it was telling me I was only downloading X messages when I was seeing 2x in netscape. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Tue, 26 Sep 2000, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > I'm using netscape to check my email, this has never happened before > untill today from about 10:00 I just checked my mail and all the messages > that were marked as read were read, but right underneath each message > there is an identical one that is marked unread, and It's only form the > list, I had some one send me an email and it did not happen > > Eric Hillman wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Why am I getting double posts from the list??? > > > > Maybe you're double subscribed? It's not happening here, anyways. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cgahlon at citilink.com Tue Sep 26 17:11:41 2000 From: cgahlon at citilink.com (Christopher Gahlon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21561] Server Chassis References: <20000924071846.A27604@attglobal.net> <39CEBBE7.B48573E0@ltiflex.com> <39CF6225.E0AFF3D@bgea.org> <39CEEB59.6B4C832E@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <39D11F1D.47A0BBD4@citilink.com> I've been lurking for a while now and finally have something to contribute... Try here. It's $245 but probably the cheapest you'll find it. http://www.amtrade.com/computer/2u_industrial_rack_enclosure.htm Chris Gahlon apu wrote: > Does anyone know about any place where I can buy a cheap server chassis ? (2U) > I am looking for something under $200. It woould be nice if it can house a full > size ATX platters with room for a few goodies. > > Apu > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Tue Sep 26 17:15:04 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:21689] Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21681] WOW WOW WOW THERE In-Reply-To: ; from adamm@sihope.com on Tue, Sep 26, 2000 at 05:10:42PM -0500 References: <39D118D0.CBDDC3C5@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <20000926171504.D10985@real-time.com> Quoting Adam Maloney (adamm@sihope.com): > I had a similar problem using NS' mail before. When I started getting a > lot of messages it would act real strangely. I'd get double messages. > Best I could tell it was a problem with netscape because I watched popper > and it was telling me I was only downloading X messages when I was seeing > 2x in netscape. You are probably sub'd to both the ezmlm and mailman lists. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Tue Sep 26 17:04:54 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21577] compiling php4 for mysql and apache Message-ID: <0G1I001O4M0JB6@mail1.supervalu.com> Too bad usually nothing but the source can do what I want to do... For example, just the other day, I: Compiled apache w/ mod_ssl (using mm libraries) & mod_vhost_alias Compiled PHP4 w/ PostgreSQL database functionality (module into apache) Compiled PostgreSQL. It's even hard for something as powerful as apt-get to do something like that. :( Nick jhawley@bgea.org, on 09/26/2000 04:37:48 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF cc: Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21577] compiling php4 for mysql and apache Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Mon, Sep 25, 2000 at 08:34:54AM -0500, John Hawley wrote: > >Hey, > > > >I'm trying to get Apache // php4 // MySQL working on a Debian/Woody box, but > >get the following msg from the php-powered page: > >Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() ... > > > > apt-get install is your friend. All of these things are apt-gettable. yep, thats what I did. Unfortunately the PHP package doesn't include MySQL support so grab the source. But then the Apache development environment was missing for creating the php apache module, so also had to grab the source for Apache. But, yes, apt-get's the greatest when it gets ya what ya needs. :) -jh --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jon.erickson at neicoltech.org Tue Sep 26 18:26:22 2000 From: jon.erickson at neicoltech.org (Jonathan Erickson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21691] HP OpenMail Message-ID: <000001c02811$2ec52140$a102a8c0@neicoltech.org> I need to get a new mail server with the ability to support MS Outlook calendaring and group folder functionality. I've heard that there is a Linux version of HP OpenMail that runs on Linux and has good Outlook integration. My question is this, is anyone running HP OpenMail in a production environment. If so, how does it perform\scale ? How seemless is the Outlook integration? I would love for our MS Outlook clients to be dependent upon a Linux mail server :^) Jon --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From xoi at mn.mediaone.net Tue Sep 26 18:54:47 2000 From: xoi at mn.mediaone.net (Lord Xoi) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21692] BSD router? In-Reply-To: <000001c02811$2ec52140$a102a8c0@neicoltech.org> Message-ID: I have been playing with MacOS X Beta the past few days and was wondering if any of you knew of a good software router for BSD . I am really new to these *nix's Thanks in advance. -John --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Tue Sep 26 19:32:44 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21693] portmap Message-ID: I have a happy Slackware-7 box, it's exporting home dirs to the other machines on my network. Even the Lose95 is happy. I have a BSD machine in the corner which cannot mount from linux. When I try to mount: mount hostname.domain.com:/home /mnt NFS Portmap: RPC: Program not registered portmap, mountd, nfsd, nfsiod are all running. The /etc/rpc file contains to entries pertaining to nfs: nfs 100003 nfsprog pcnfsd 150001 Anyone know why this isn't working? I don't own the "Managing NFS and NIS" O'reilly book, unfortunately. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Tue Sep 26 19:56:57 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21694] RH 7.0 CDs (stop gap solution) Message-ID: <20000926195657.P10985@real-time.com> Ok, I got many email saying an installfest even this weekend would be too long of a wait for the CDs, so, here is the plan. I'll burn CDs, with the CD-R, label and jewel case our cost is around $5, so to recover the cost, I'm going to ask for $5 for set of disk. That is disk1 and disk2 of Redhat 7.0. If you want it mailed, it costs us $1.21 for first class postage, so shipping and handling add another $1.25, so $6.25 will get you disk1 and disk2 of RH 7.0 in a jewel case delivered to your door. For my time, you can have simondelivers drop of some Mt. Dew, or the next TCLUG give me some Dew. :-P Of course, for the flat $5, you can stop by the office and pick the CDs up. http://www.real-time.com/Contact_Us/Directions/directions.html Please email me this info: FirstName LastName Address City, State Zip Send it to me | I'll pick it up I hope this is acceptable to those who wanted the CDs ASAP. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Tue Sep 26 21:00:57 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21577] compiling php4 for mysql and apache References: <0G1I001O4M0JB6@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: <39D154D9.6566F286@tcfreenet.org> > > >I'm trying to get Apache // php4 // MySQL working on a Debian/Woody box, but > > >get the following msg from the php-powered page: > > >Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() ... > > > > > > > apt-get install is your friend. All of these things are apt-gettable. > > yep, thats what I did. Unfortunately the PHP package doesn't include MySQL > support > so grab the source. But then the Apache development environment was missing for > creating the php apache module, so also had to grab the source for Apache. > But, yes, apt-get's the greatest when it gets ya what ya needs. :) > -jh Ummm, I dunno about MySQL, but for postgresql, apt-get install php4-pgsql, then dl("pgsql.so") in your php scripts to use it. MySQL doesn't do the same thing? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Tue Sep 26 21:01:45 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21649] Limits of grep? References: <20000926063831.A5491@attglobal.net> <20000926093036.A20109@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <20000926102604.A1715@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <39D15509.1D68E1F2@tcfreenet.org> And no one's mentioned rgrep because... ;) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Tue Sep 26 21:03:28 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21619] PCI / PCMCIA linkage? References: <0G1I00GNO1H3WC@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: <39D15570.65E7DECB@tcfreenet.org> Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > > I was almost positive that you need PCI to have PCMCIA work. > > I'm almost completely sure that PCMCIA Controllers look like > just another PCI "card" to the system - no different than your > sound card, network card, etc. PCMCIA predates PCI by quite a few years... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net Tue Sep 26 21:21:42 2000 From: jpschewe at eggplant.mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21649] Limits of grep? In-Reply-To: Callum Lerwick's message of "Tue, 26 Sep 2000 21:01:45 -0500" References: <20000926063831.A5491@attglobal.net> <20000926093036.A20109@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <20000926102604.A1715@sherohman.org> <39D15509.1D68E1F2@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: Callum Lerwick writes: > And no one's mentioned rgrep because... ;) It's not standard I guess, unless you're talking about the one that I wrote in perl that can tell the difference between text and binary files. -- Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Tue Sep 26 23:09:48 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andrew S. Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21682] Fast booting linux References: <20000926213341.YSJS284.mta11.onebox.com@onebox.com> <20000926163821.O2028@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <39D1730C.2064AB49@ltiflex.com> The only way to get linux booting faster is to disable the amout of things that start. The fast booting linux you mentioned could be the Linux BIOS project. Not quite stable, but it boots linux so fast they had to write in a thing to wait for hard drives to spin up. -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org With a name like Zbikowski, you've gotta be good. "Mistakes are a fact of life. It's the response to error that counts." -- Nikki Giovanni -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jasonj at innominatus.com Tue Sep 26 23:16:39 2000 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21682] Fast booting linux References: <20000926213341.YSJS284.mta11.onebox.com@onebox.com> <20000926163821.O2028@sherohman.org> <39D1730C.2064AB49@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <39D174A7.66721D8E@innominatus.com> We are using the linux bios project in our Internet Appliance. tiara.sourceforge.net "Andrew S. Zbikowski" wrote: > The only way to get linux booting faster is to disable the amout of things > that start. The fast booting linux you mentioned could be the Linux BIOS > project. Not quite stable, but it boots linux so fast they had to write in a > thing to wait for hard drives to spin up. > > -- > Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org > With a name like Zbikowski, you've gotta be good. > "Mistakes are a fact of life. It's the response to error that counts." > -- Nikki Giovanni > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at usinternet.com Wed Sep 27 00:23:25 2000 From: blutgens at usinternet.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21649] Limits of grep? In-Reply-To: <20000926063831.A5491@attglobal.net>; from subb3@attglobal.net on Tue, Sep 26, 2000 at 06:38:31AM +0000 References: <20000926063831.A5491@attglobal.net> Message-ID: <20000927002325.A18483@ares.usinternet.com> On Tue, Sep 26, 2000 at 06:38:31AM +0000, Subba Rao wrote: >Hi > >I have a directory of 10000+ text files and would like to search for >some strings in these files. When I tried using "grep" command with an >asterisk, I get the error message somthing to the effect, > > "File argument list too long" > How about an foreach loop foreach v (/path/to/files/*.txt) grep foo $v end in tcsh would do it. -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Wed Sep 27 00:43:13 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21693] portmap In-Reply-To: ; from adamm@sihope.com on Tue, Sep 26, 2000 at 07:32:44PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20000927004313.G6707@ringworld.org> Try running rpcinfo -p 'hostname' from localhost, and the remote host. compare notes. I bet for some reason the remote portmapper is setup to deny. Which can (oddly enough) be set in your hosts.deny stuff. You might want to be sore that your allowing in hosts.allow (ip based *only*) and hosts.deny (ALL, so any that dont match allow are allowed). * Adam Maloney [000926 19:33]: > I have a happy Slackware-7 box, it's exporting home dirs to the other > machines on my network. Even the Lose95 is happy. I have a BSD machine > in the corner which cannot mount from linux. When I try to mount: > > mount hostname.domain.com:/home /mnt > NFS Portmap: RPC: Program not registered > > portmap, mountd, nfsd, nfsiod are all running. The /etc/rpc file contains > to entries pertaining to nfs: > > nfs 100003 nfsprog > pcnfsd 150001 > > Anyone know why this isn't working? I don't own the "Managing NFS and > NIS" O'reilly book, unfortunately. > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <39D1A0F2.B1276E3@tcfreenet.org> Okay is it just me or has woody not had install disks for months? Do I have* to install potato then upgrade? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From david.evans at utoronto.ca Wed Sep 27 03:49:59 2000 From: david.evans at utoronto.ca (David Evans) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21694] RH 7.0 CDs (stop gap solution) References: <20000926195657.P10985@real-time.com> <39D19F83.1943FD3D@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <39D1B4B7.35A7470C@utoronto.ca> Oops. David Evans wrote: > > David Evans > 2120 Pleasant Ave. South #308 > Minneapolis, MN 55404 > Send it to me > > I assume I pay you at the next TCLUG? > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Wed Sep 27 08:08:16 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21704] Debian woody install? References: <39D1A0F2.B1276E3@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <39D1F140.EC82E713@ltiflex.com> Callum Lerwick wrote: > > Okay is it just me or has woody not had install disks for months? Do I > have* to install potato then upgrade? > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org Haven't check on disks myself. Right now installing from the potato disks and then changing your apt sources is all it should take. Woody install disks might not appear until the new installer is somewhat ready. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From psp at printwareinc.com Wed Sep 27 08:28:10 2000 From: psp at printwareinc.com (Phil Plumbo) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21561] Server Chassis Message-ID: <20000927132809785.AAB329@sumo> Can you use a 4u for $145? I just got a sale flyer from CSC, www.corpsys.com. Phil Plumbo | Printware, Inc. | psp@printwareinc.com | 1270 Eagan Industrial Rd. | voice: 651-456-1400 http://printwareinc.com | St. Paul, MN 55121 USA | fax: 651-454-3684 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blackk100 at hotmail.com Wed Sep 27 08:29:17 2000 From: blackk100 at hotmail.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21691] HP OpenMail Message-ID: I have played around with it. I had a demo running at work, but the powers that be decided to try an ASP for mail running Exchange. Openmail worked well. Lots of command line tools. Many man pages. You can download a time limited version from HP's website. I know that at one time you could get a full working version (without support) for a company with <50 people (i.e. 50 licenses for free!). I thought running HP OpenMail on Linux would be cool as well, but alas... As for your other questions: 1. You need to apply a patch to the Outlook clients, and then it works about the same as talking to an Exchange server. 2. Performance. It performed extremely well (of course using only 2 users is not a valid test, but I was able to get it to run on hardware that would have not worked with NT and Exchange.) I believe the hardware requirements are much less (probably due to the fact you are not running a stupid GUI on a mail server (NT, ugh what a joke). 3. Scale. I did not try that, but you can run a license server, and allow several OpenMail servers to take the load. The back end for the transport (from what little I played with it) is Sendmail. I did not try to get it to talk to qmail or the like (but it probably could via the sendmail compability in qmail). Kelly Black >From: "Jonathan Erickson" >Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >To: "TCLUG" >Subject: [TCLUG:21691] HP OpenMail >Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 18:26:22 -0500 > >I need to get a new mail server with the ability to support MS Outlook >calendaring and group folder functionality. I've heard that there is a >Linux version of HP OpenMail that runs on Linux and has good Outlook >integration. My question is this, is anyone running HP OpenMail in a >production environment. If so, how does it perform\scale ? How seemless >is >the Outlook integration? > >I would love for our MS Outlook clients to be dependent upon a Linux mail >server :^) > >Jon > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jhawley at bgea.org Wed Sep 27 08:58:22 2000 From: jhawley at bgea.org (John Hawley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21577] compiling php4 for mysql and apache References: <0G1I001O4M0JB6@mail1.supervalu.com> <39D154D9.6566F286@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <39D1FCFE.B3901BBF@bgea.org> > > > > apt-get install is your friend. All of these things are apt-gettable. > > > > yep, thats what I did. Unfortunately the PHP package doesn't include MySQL > > support > > so grab the source. But then the Apache development environment was missing for > > creating the php apache module, so also had to grab the source for Apache. > > But, yes, apt-get's the greatest when it gets ya what ya needs. :) > > -jh > > Ummm, I dunno about MySQL, but for postgresql, apt-get install > php4-pgsql, then dl("pgsql.so") in your php scripts to use it. MySQL > doesn't do the same thing? > Yes, apache/php4/postgresql work fine together when "apt-get'ed" (apt-got?). When I tried the same thing with mysql, I got php error messages saying it couldn't recognize the imbedded mysql commands. All the FAQ's said the only recource is too recompile php w/ mysql support. Since I'm only a pseudo-hacker, I just took them at their word. -jh --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From psp at printwareinc.com Wed Sep 27 09:01:40 2000 From: psp at printwareinc.com (Phil Plumbo) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21710] Anticiparallelism & Boot up Message-ID: <20000927140140746.AAA302@sumo> Interesting column from Bob Metcalfe in Infoworld this week - his final one for that trade rag. As he often does, this time he's asking leading questions to try to get some discussion going, arguing for smarter use of computer resources during apparent idle time, among them: "What is your computer doing those first minutes after you start it up? It's been idle for hours. It will be idle for much of the time thereafter. So why doesn't it handle its duties before or after starting up?" I've always been peeved at lengthy boot times, which leads me (and most I know) to just leave the box on all the time (a waste). So I'm curious. How would we answer Bob's question for Linux? (Besides "um, well... it was turned *off*, Bob"). Phil Plumbo | Printware, Inc. | psp@printwareinc.com | 1270 Eagan Industrial Rd. | voice: 651-456-1400 http://printwareinc.com | St. Paul, MN 55121 USA | fax: 651-454-3684 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Sep 27 09:24:57 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21710] Anticiparallelism & Boot up References: <20000927140140746.AAA302@sumo> Message-ID: <39D20339.BD7624BC@tc.umn.edu> Phil Plumbo wrote: > > Interesting column from Bob Metcalfe in Infoworld this week - his final one > for that trade rag. As he often does, this time he's asking leading > questions to try to get some discussion going, arguing for smarter use of > computer resources during apparent idle time, among them: > > "What is your computer doing those first minutes after you start it up? It's > been idle for hours. It will be idle for much of the time thereafter. So why > doesn't it handle its duties before or after starting up?" > > I've always been peeved at lengthy boot times, which leads me (and most I > know) to just leave the box on all the time (a waste). > > So I'm curious. How would we answer Bob's question for Linux? (Besides "um, > well... it was turned *off*, Bob"). Well, the simple answer for Metcalfe is that more systems should use some sort of sleep mode rather than actually shutting down. Laptops and portable systems have done this forever. My family has an old IBM PC Convertible that was almost never actually turned off -- it would just go to sleep when you hit the power button. Once in a while, you'd have to reboot it, but that was not very frequent (usually if the battery ran down when it was sleeping -- which took at least a few days). Today, that is how handhelds and other really small computers work. A Palm seems to start up instantly, but that's because it was already running. If you actually reset it, you'll see that it does have a boot-up process (though it still only takes a few seconds). This makes it easy to avoid having to predict the future. But if you can predict the future, the best option may be to set your system's wake-up timer. Most modern boxes with ATX power supplies allow you to set a time for the system to start up. I had a roommate that used to have his system start up at 7:00 AM (though he eventually just set it up to run continuously). -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Famous last words - You / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ and what army? \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kent at structural-wood.com Wed Sep 27 09:28:27 2000 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21710] Anticiparallelism & Boot up References: <20000927140140746.AAA302@sumo> Message-ID: <39D2040B.3B96A7A9@structural-wood.com> Phil Plumbo wrote: > > Interesting column from Bob Metcalfe in Infoworld this week - his final one > for that trade rag. As he often does, this time he's asking leading > questions to try to get some discussion going, arguing for smarter use of > computer resources during apparent idle time, among them: > > "What is your computer doing those first minutes after you start it up? It's > been idle for hours. It will be idle for much of the time thereafter. So why > doesn't it handle its duties before or after starting up?" > > I've always been peeved at lengthy boot times, which leads me (and most I > know) to just leave the box on all the time (a waste). > > So I'm curious. How would we answer Bob's question for Linux? (Besides "um, > well... it was turned *off*, Bob"). > Plug more X-terminals into your box (*grin*) I was playing Heavy Gear II at the console the other night while my Aunt ran StarOffice and Netscape on an ancient HDS X-Terminal plugged into my box. Too cool! Kent --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Wed Sep 27 09:47:25 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21619] PCI / PCMCIA linkage? Message-ID: <0G1J007LYWHDK4@mail1.supervalu.com> Well, sound cards predate PCI by quite a few years also, but that doesn't mean there aren't PCI sound cards. ;P If we're talking about a new PCMCIA controller, it should look like just another PCI device - just like onboard sound, onboard ethernet, onboard video, etc, etc. Nick lerwick@tcfreenet.org, on 09/26/2000 09:03:28 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF cc: Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21619] PCI / PCMCIA linkage? Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > > I was almost positive that you need PCI to have PCMCIA work. > > I'm almost completely sure that PCMCIA Controllers look like > just another PCI "card" to the system - no different than your > sound card, network card, etc. PCMCIA predates PCI by quite a few years... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From natecars at real-time.com Wed Sep 27 10:16:30 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21619] PCI / PCMCIA linkage? In-Reply-To: <39D15570.65E7DECB@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 26 Sep 2000, Callum Lerwick wrote: > > I was almost positive that you need PCI to have PCMCIA work. > > > > I'm almost completely sure that PCMCIA Controllers look like > > just another PCI "card" to the system - no different than your > > sound card, network card, etc. > > PCMCIA predates PCI by quite a few years... I had two PCMCIA slots in my desktop via a ISA PCMCIA controller a couple years back.. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From esper at sherohman.org Wed Sep 27 10:22:34 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21704] Debian woody install? In-Reply-To: <39D1A0F2.B1276E3@tcfreenet.org>; from lerwick@tcfreenet.org on Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 02:25:38AM -0500 References: <39D1A0F2.B1276E3@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <20000927102234.A5500@sherohman.org> On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 02:25:38AM -0500, Callum Lerwick wrote: > Okay is it just me or has woody not had install disks for months? Do I > have* to install potato then upgrade? A warning in case you're not following the debian-user list: A few people have been having problems with yesterday's libc6 upgrade. You may want to wait a few days for this to be sorted out before going to the latest woody. -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Sep 27 11:15:53 2000 From: chewie at wookimus.net (^chewie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21704] Debian woody install? In-Reply-To: <39D1A0F2.B1276E3@tcfreenet.org>; from lerwick@tcfreenet.org on Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 02:25:38AM -0500 References: <39D1A0F2.B1276E3@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <20000927111553.A31603@wookimus.net> On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 02:25:38AM -0500, Callum Lerwick wrote: > Okay is it just me or has woody not had install disks for months? Do I > have* to install potato then upgrade? The installer is being redesigned from the ground up, apparently. It's going to be more modular and rely on stuff like framebuffer VGA, etc. They're also planning on writing a stripped down 'C' version of dpkg for the sole purpose of installing the base packages, packages that have been checked for dependency compliance manually and determined to be essential to booting a bare-bones Debian system. Drop in to the Debian Kernel Traffic Cousin page on http://kt.linuxcare.com for details. -- Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom http://wookimus.net/chewie -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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However, I see the functionality that can be set up by the 675 freeing up a 486 to do more important things, like DNS and email serving. So, I want to address the issue of configuring the 675. I do not know of any applications to date designed for the X-Windowing or console environments that ease the configuration mess of the 675. Would anyone be interested in contributing resources or time into developing an Expect(TK) front end (console and TK) for the Cisco 675 via serial & telnet connections? -- Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom http://wookimus.net/chewie -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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However, I see the functionality that can be set up by the > 675 freeing up a 486 to do more important things, like DNS and email > serving. One problem with that theory: While the 486 can have an arbitrarily large number of rules, the 675 (if I read its manual correctly) can only store 10 rules, each of which is only effective in one direction. If you want to tell it not to pass any traffic with a destination in a reserved/nonroutable destination address in either direction, that's 6 rules right there. If you want to block traffic with nonroutable source or destination, it would require 12 rules - that's already more than the 675 can handle. (Granted, you probably aren't using all 3 unroutable ranges internally, so you probably don't need all 12, but it's a good way of demonstrating how severe that limitation is.) If I'm wrong, and the 675 can store a larger number of rules, I would be very happy to be corrected, as I also have a Lesser Box which could be used for other things... -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Wed Sep 27 11:44:17 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21719] IBM open-sourcing Linux drivers for crypto coprocessor Message-ID: <20000927114417.R9766@real-time.com> considering how tight IBM is with drivers for some of their hardware, this really surprised me (in a good way!): http://oss.software.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/4758/index.html Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Wed Sep 27 11:46:24 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21717] Speaking of DSL [was: Project Idea: ExpectTK to configure Cisco 675's] In-Reply-To: <20000927113430.C5500@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 11:34:30AM -0500 References: <20000927112232.A2821@wookimus.net> <20000927113430.C5500@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20000927114624.A82685@sorry.cs.umn.edu> While we're on the topic of DSL, I have a question. I've had DSL for about 2 years or so - long enough that I've always had a bridged connection. Well, I recently moved and will be waiting about another month before USQWest an get my DSL up. My ISP's informed me that they're going to give me a routed DSL connection because they're trying to get rid of their bridged ones (most likely so they can save on IPs - for security reasons they were giving each user his/her own subnet, which makes that 4 IPs per user - expensive). My question is this: Since my IP address will now be assigned to my DSL router _instead_ of my firewall/NAT box, how can I still have my firewall act as the firewall for my network? Obviously, I'm going to put it on the line between my router and the rest of my network, and I can concieve setting it up as an ethernet bridge or something, but it seems like it will be difficult to do the port forwarding I'm doing now. I suppose I could setup my router to forward to 10.0.0.1:25 (for mail) and then have 10.0.0.1:25 forwarded to 10.0.0.2:25 (my mail server). But it seems like a silly extra step. Has anyone run into a similar situation? TIA, Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Pillage Pillage Pillage! Loot Loot Loot!!" - Stimpson J. Cat in "Out West" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ehillman at cccu.com Wed Sep 27 11:52:23 2000 From: ehillman at cccu.com (Eric Hillman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:21717] Project Idea: ExpectTK to configure Cisco 675's In-Reply-To: <20000927113430.C5500@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <000401c028a3$4f157340$650aa8c0@cccu.com> > > Currently, I ignore the 675 in favor of my linux firewall for reasons > > of familiarity, ease of configuration, and perhaps confidence in the > > security. However, I see the functionality that can be set up by the > > 675 freeing up a 486 to do more important things, like DNS and email > > serving. > > One problem with that theory: While the 486 can have an arbitrarily large > number of rules, the 675 (if I read its manual correctly) can only store 10 > rules, each of which is only effective in one direction. If you want to tell > it not to pass any traffic with a destination in a reserved/nonroutable > destination address in either direction, that's 6 rules right there. If you > want to block traffic with nonroutable source or destination, it would > require 12 rules - that's already more than the 675 can handle. (Granted, > you probably aren't using all 3 unroutable ranges internally, so you probably > don't need all 12, but it's a good way of demonstrating how severe that > limitation is.) I'm not sure exactly what the limitation is for rules on the 675, but what I've done in my case is program the 675 with some very basic rules which probably block about 90% of unauthorized access attempts -- blocking, say, telnet, portmap, imap and pop3 from all external hosts. You'll never get the flexibility and power out of the 675 that you can out of a server (although I'm really impressed with what these little blue boxes *can* do). But I'd rather deal with the broad, clear-cut cases at the router than make the server/firewall waste cycles on them. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kent at structural-wood.com Wed Sep 27 11:53:14 2000 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21717] Project Idea: ExpectTK to configure Cisco 675's References: <20000927112232.A2821@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <39D225FA.314CE136@structural-wood.com> ^chewie wrote: > > Being a new DSL customer, I want to be able to protect my network and > perhaps use the rather expensive DSL router for something other than > the VC connection. > > Currently, I ignore the 675 in favor of my linux firewall for reasons > of familiarity, ease of configuration, and perhaps confidence in the > security. However, I see the functionality that can be set up by the > 675 freeing up a 486 to do more important things, like DNS and email > serving. > > So, I want to address the issue of configuring the 675. I do not know > of any applications to date designed for the X-Windowing or console > environments that ease the configuration mess of the 675. Would > anyone be interested in contributing resources or time into developing > an Expect(TK) front end (console and TK) for the Cisco 675 via serial > & telnet connections? > > If I'm remembering correctly, the 675 has a built in web server, which I believe will allow you to do some basic configuration. You should point your browser to the 675's IP address and see what happens. Kent --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ehillman at cccu.com Wed Sep 27 12:14:48 2000 From: ehillman at cccu.com (Eric Hillman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:21717] Speaking of DSL [was: Project Idea: ExpectTK to configure Cisco 675's] In-Reply-To: <20000927114624.A82685@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <000501c028a6$70aecd00$650aa8c0@cccu.com> > [...] My question is this: Since my IP address will now be assigned > to my DSL router _instead_ of my firewall/NAT box, how can I still have my > firewall act as the firewall for my network? Obviously, I'm going to put > it on the line between my router and the rest of my network, and I can > concieve setting it up as an ethernet bridge or something, but it seems > like it will be difficult to do the port forwarding I'm doing now. > > I suppose I could setup my router to forward to 10.0.0.1:25 (for mail) and > then have 10.0.0.1:25 forwarded to 10.0.0.2:25 (my mail server). But it > seems like a silly extra step. > > Has anyone run into a similar situation? > This is exactly the setup I have at home. As I mentioned in another message, I use the router as a blunt-force kinda firewall -- that is, it runs NAT, and blocks incoming telnet, portmap and other undesirable connections. NAT on the 675 is set up to forward *all* not-explicitly-banned traffic straight to the linux firewall/server (this is the default setup when it's delivered, so I really just had to add the "ban" rules). This is more or less transparent -- even though the IP address is really assigned to the outside of the router, it acts like a direct connection to the outside of the linux box. The 10.0.0.1 address doesn't enter into it. That's only important when you're trying to get from the inside out -- you'll need that to be the linux box's default gateway, and then all internal boxes will use the linux box as *their* default gw. The linux box, of course, has two interfaces and is also running NAT (actually, ipfwadm -- still haven't upgraded to ipchains). What I wind up with is sort of a double-firewalled setup. The webserver winds up in more or less the traditional "DMZ", except that it's running on the same machine as the second firewall. Here's a diagram, where "+" indicates an interface w/ IP address, and "---" represents wire. {Internet}---(209.100.555.555) + [Cisco 675] + (10.0.0.1)--------(10.0.0.2) + [Linux firewall/server] + {LAN}-------[hub]--------(192.168.10.555) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ehillman at cccu.com Wed Sep 27 12:20:08 2000 From: ehillman at cccu.com (Eric Hillman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:21717] Project Idea: ExpectTK to configure Cisco 675's In-Reply-To: <20000927112232.A2821@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <001201c028a7$2f1c30c0$650aa8c0@cccu.com> > > So, I want to address the issue of configuring the 675. I do not know > of any applications to date designed for the X-Windowing or console > environments that ease the configuration mess of the 675. Would > anyone be interested in contributing resources or time into developing > an Expect(TK) front end (console and TK) for the Cisco 675 via serial > & telnet connections? > Gee, I answered everything except the original question. Umm, this does sound really interesting -- I'm actually quite familiar with the 675's language (I configure mine with a serial cable and echo > /dev/cua1), but not at all with Expect or TK... Still, I'm a pretty quick study... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Wed Sep 27 12:23:29 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21717] Speaking of DSL [was: Project Idea: ExpectTK to configure Cisco 675's] In-Reply-To: <20000927114624.A82685@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: You plug the firewall into eth0 on the router. The router will be giving out 10.0.0.1 as it's own IP and 10.0.0.2 - 10.0.0.254 as DHCP leases. Give the first ether port on the firewall 10.0.0.2 with a /30 subnet mask - it uses 10.0.0.1 as it's default gw. Give the 2nd ether on the firewall, say, 10.0.0.128/29 (for instance). You assign your machines 10.0.0.129, 10.0.0.130, etc. Then you setup the port forwarding on the DSL router: your.machine:25 -> 10.0.0.129:25. The DSL router sees 10.0.0.0/24 as the entire subnet, and it forwards the packets to the ethernet port (doing the NAT form your external IP to 10.0.0.129). The firewall sees a packet coming in for 10.0.0.129:25, doesn't do any NAT but just filters, and sends it on it's way. So your DSL router thinks it's on a /24 network, the firewall thinks that eth0 is a /30 (just it and the router), and it's other ether port is on a different subnet (you have to make sure that what you assign your machines out of doesn't overlap with what the firewall sees, so it doesn't get conflicting netmasks. This should work, but I haven't thought it out yet thoroughly, I'm on my way out the door. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Wed, 27 Sep 2000 dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > While we're on the topic of DSL, I have a question. I've had DSL for about > 2 years or so - long enough that I've always had a bridged connection. > Well, I recently moved and will be waiting about another month before USQWest > an get my DSL up. My ISP's informed me that they're going to give me a > routed DSL connection because they're trying to get rid of their bridged > ones (most likely so they can save on IPs - for security reasons they were > giving each user his/her own subnet, which makes that 4 IPs per user - > expensive). My question is this: Since my IP address will now be assigned > to my DSL router _instead_ of my firewall/NAT box, how can I still have my > firewall act as the firewall for my network? Obviously, I'm going to put > it on the line between my router and the rest of my network, and I can > concieve setting it up as an ethernet bridge or something, but it seems > like it will be difficult to do the port forwarding I'm doing now. > > I suppose I could setup my router to forward to 10.0.0.1:25 (for mail) and > then have 10.0.0.1:25 forwarded to 10.0.0.2:25 (my mail server). But it > seems like a silly extra step. > > Has anyone run into a similar situation? > > TIA, > > Gabe > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Gabe Turner | X-President, > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > "Pillage Pillage Pillage! Loot Loot Loot!!" > - Stimpson J. Cat in "Out West" > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Sep 27 12:36:11 2000 From: chewie at wookimus.net (^chewie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21717] Project Idea: ExpectTK to configure Cisco 675's In-Reply-To: <20000927113430.C5500@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 11:34:30AM -0500 References: <20000927112232.A2821@wookimus.net> <20000927113430.C5500@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20000927123611.B2821@wookimus.net> On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 11:34:30AM -0500, Dave Sherohman wrote: > One problem with that theory: While the 486 can have an arbitrarily > large number of rules, the 675 (if I read its manual correctly) can > only store 10 rules, each of which is only effective in one > direction. . . . [ snip ] . . . > If I'm wrong, and the 675 can store a larger number of rules, I > would be very happy to be corrected, as I also have a Lesser Box > which could be used for other things... Excerpt from CBOS User Guide [1] The set filter command is used to specify IP filtering conventions. The Cisco 67x has 10 filters that can be applied to TCP and UDP packets passing through the router's interfaces. Enabled filters are applied to packets in sequential order according to filter number. *sigh* Well, there goes that theory. By the way, I did find some expect scripts from an old archive ('93) to manage Cisco routers. I haven't looked too deeply into these yet, but at least it's a jumping point for some very basic configuration. However, like other people have pointed out, the Cisco routers have the web interface to use. Oh well. Strike the proposal from the ballot. ;-) I'll just leave my firewall as-is, then ;-). --- REFS --- [1] http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/dsl_prod/c600s/cbos/cbosug/03chap02.htm#xtocid1181511 -- Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom http://wookimus.net/chewie -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 233 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20000927/66ff8882/attachment.pgp -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From clay at fandre.com Wed Sep 27 13:56:46 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21704] Debian woody install? In-Reply-To: <20000927102234.A5500@sherohman.org> References: <39D1A0F2.B1276E3@tcfreenet.org> <20000927102234.A5500@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <970081006.39d242ee3d0a5@www.fandre.com> Quoting Dave Sherohman : > On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 02:25:38AM -0500, Callum Lerwick wrote: > > Okay is it just me or has woody not had install disks for months? Do I > > have* to install potato then upgrade? > > A warning in case you're not following the debian-user list: A few > people > have been having problems with yesterday's libc6 upgrade. You may want > to > wait a few days for this to be sorted out before going to the latest > woody. Now you tell me. Upgraded my woody (LOL) yesterday and found out first hand. Oh well, live and learn. I suppose I should join the debian-user list. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Wed Sep 27 14:05:16 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21704] Debian woody install? References: <39D1A0F2.B1276E3@tcfreenet.org> <20000927102234.A5500@sherohman.org> <970081006.39d242ee3d0a5@www.fandre.com> Message-ID: <39D244EC.91A71666@ltiflex.com> > Now you tell me. Upgraded my woody (LOL) All I have to say is... Did you get the vibrating option with that prosthetic? or My Woody is as hard as a frozen Potato. > well, live and learn. I suppose I should join the debian-user list. It's kinda high traffic, so here's what I generally do. cron runs apt-get update and apt-get -d -y upgrade nightly. Eventually I feel brave and feel like actually doing the upgrade. Before I do, I check #debian on irc.debian.org (open projects network) The topic in the channel usually has major bugs listed. If not, you can always just ask. If something big is broke, don't upgrade. If no, go for it. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Wed Sep 27 14:13:36 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21577] compiling php4 for mysql and apache References: <0G1I001O4M0JB6@mail1.supervalu.com> <39D154D9.6566F286@tcfreenet.org> <39D1FCFE.B3901BBF@bgea.org> Message-ID: <39D246E0.7A483593@tcfreenet.org> > > Ummm, I dunno about MySQL, but for postgresql, apt-get install > > php4-pgsql, then dl("pgsql.so") in your php scripts to use it. MySQL > > doesn't do the same thing? > > > > Yes, apache/php4/postgresql work fine together when "apt-get'ed" (apt-got?). When I > tried the same thing with mysql, I got php error messages saying it couldn't > recognize the imbedded mysql commands. All the FAQ's said the only recource is too > recompile php w/ mysql support. Since I'm only a pseudo-hacker, I just took them at > their word. > -jh Did you load the library in your script though? You have to either dynamically load the support or add it to your php.ini... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Wed Sep 27 14:17:05 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21704] Debian woody install? References: <39D1A0F2.B1276E3@tcfreenet.org> <20000927102234.A5500@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <39D247B1.8AF082E0@tcfreenet.org> Dave Sherohman wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 02:25:38AM -0500, Callum Lerwick wrote: > > Okay is it just me or has woody not had install disks for months? Do I > > have* to install potato then upgrade? > > A warning in case you're not following the debian-user list: A few people > have been having problems with yesterday's libc6 upgrade. You may want to > wait a few days for this to be sorted out before going to the latest woody. Blaahhhrrrggghhhh. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Wed Sep 27 15:47:51 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21619] PCI / PCMCIA linkage? References: <0G1J007LYWHDK4@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: <39D25CF7.DC2417AD@tcfreenet.org> > If we're talking about a new PCMCIA controller, it should > look like just another PCI device - just like onboard sound, > onboard ethernet, onboard video, etc, etc. But seeing as the machine doesn't have PCI I don't think we are, are we? ;P --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mikeg at tcamerican.com Wed Sep 27 15:34:49 2000 From: mikeg at tcamerican.com (Mike Glaser) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21732] Meaning of exit status in a shell script. Message-ID: <39D21399.2892.6F8178@localhost> I have a shell script (bash) that performs a backup operation each night. This morning it generated an error code that I do not understand. To be honest, I am not sure if the shell generates the exit status of a command, or if the command itself does. Can anyone help explain this to me? I tried checking out the man page for cpio but I didn't find my answer there. I didn't come across anything helpful in my Unix books either. The system is RedHat 6.2 using the default shell. Here is the snippet of code that grabs the exit code of the cpio command. All I know is that exit code 0 indicates the command run successfully. This generated a 2 last night. What might 1-?? indicate? cpio -ocB < $WORKDIR/AB_$DATE > $TAPE WRITEOK=`echo $?` Thanks in advance, Mike Glaser --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ehillman at cccu.com Wed Sep 27 15:33:01 2000 From: ehillman at cccu.com (Eric Hillman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:21717] Speaking of DSL [was: Project Idea: ExpectTK to configure Cisco 675's] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000c01c028c2$21769580$650aa8c0@cccu.com> > Give the 2nd ether on the firewall, say, 10.0.0.128/29 (for instance). > You assign your machines 10.0.0.129, 10.0.0.130, etc. Then you setup the > port forwarding on the DSL router: > > your.machine:25 -> 10.0.0.129:25. The DSL router sees 10.0.0.0/24 as the > entire subnet, and it forwards the packets to the ethernet port (doing the > NAT form your external IP to 10.0.0.129). The firewall sees a packet > coming in for 10.0.0.129:25, doesn't do any NAT but just filters, and > sends it on it's way. > > So your DSL router thinks it's on a /24 network, the firewall thinks that > eth0 is a /30 (just it and the router), and it's other ether port is on > a different subnet (you have to make sure that what you assign your > machines out of doesn't overlap with what the firewall sees, so it doesn't > get conflicting netmasks. Um, I really think you're making things more complicated than they need to be. (I'm allergic to weird netmasks -- I suppose if you're comfortable with that stuff, maybe you think differently). Just use a reserved class C address internally -- 192.168.xxx.yyy and a netmask of 255.255.255.0 (Clue for the Clueless -- "xxx" must be *identical* on every internal box, "yyy" must be *unique*). The end result is more or less the same, I just find it easier to deal with mentally when different networks actually *look* different. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Wed Sep 27 15:58:36 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21734] VoIP Message-ID: hey.. is there anyone out there doing anything with Voice over IP? I am researching VoIP based PBX's right now.. to replace our existing proprietary PBX system (fujitsu series 3) I have found 2 systems, a nortel, and a cisco, both are based on embeded windows NT.. (bleh) i have found a bunch of stuff on linuxtelephony.org.. but it's all really beta.. and there are no VAR's for it. :( Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Wed Sep 27 16:04:46 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21710] Anticiparallelism & Boot up References: <20000927140140746.AAA302@sumo> <39D20339.BD7624BC@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <39D260EE.1200B150@tcfreenet.org> Mike Hicks wrote: > > Phil Plumbo wrote: > > > > Interesting column from Bob Metcalfe in Infoworld this week - his final one > > for that trade rag. As he often does, this time he's asking leading > > questions to try to get some discussion going, arguing for smarter use of > > computer resources during apparent idle time, among them: > > > > "What is your computer doing those first minutes after you start it up? It's > > been idle for hours. It will be idle for much of the time thereafter. So why > > doesn't it handle its duties before or after starting up?" > > > > I've always been peeved at lengthy boot times, which leads me (and most I > > know) to just leave the box on all the time (a waste). > > > > So I'm curious. How would we answer Bob's question for Linux? (Besides "um, > > well... it was turned *off*, Bob"). distributed.net/SETI@home anyone? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Wed Sep 27 16:16:17 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21734] VoIP In-Reply-To: ; from ben@nerp.net on Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 03:58:36PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20000927161617.A4620@real-time.com> > hey.. is there anyone out there doing anything with Voice over IP? I am > researching VoIP based PBX's right now.. to replace our existing > proprietary PBX system (fujitsu series 3) I have found 2 systems, a > nortel, and a cisco, both are based on embeded windows NT.. (bleh) i have > found a bunch of stuff on linuxtelephony.org.. but it's all really > beta.. and there are no VAR's for it. :( have your researches found anything about those Cisco IP phones? they seem like a really cool idea, especially in combination with a freenix telephony server. how well will they work on the same network as your computers? any security issues with them? I'm sure they're designed to be served by a Sun box or something; but how easy would it be to reverse engineer the protocol and make a free server? why ever would you put a PBX on embedded NT? if you were deteremined to go with a non-free OS, wouldn't you at least go QNX or VxWorks or SCO or something that wasn't designed to be rebooted once a day? Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Wed Sep 27 16:29:52 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21734] VoIP In-Reply-To: <20000927161617.A4620@real-time.com> Message-ID: yes.. cisco phones are cool.. they run on the "H.323" protocol.. wich is one of the better VoIP protocols.. each phone DHCP, or static assigns an IP address, it contains an id number, and a server IP address (as far as i know) I really don't know much about the security of the whole thing.. which is why i'm trying to get my hands on some equip (talking to a cisco vendor currently) nope.. it's all open standard.. from what I can tell.. you could buy nortel call manager, and cisco phones, and they would all play nicely. or atleast basic stuff would work fine.. that's what the goal of VoIP was.. make it non-proprietary. the hardware involved is a mostly standard PC, with addon boards to do things like T1's pots lines, and other such telco-specific hardware. oh.. and an ethernet card to connect the IP based phones.. the cisco phones plug into ethernet, and have a pass-through port for a PC, (10/100) and even better.. is no reverse engenieering is necessary.. all the protocols that are used are open, and there are even GPL implamentations of most of it.. but the problem i'm running into is this.. there are no good all-in-one soltions in the GPL community.. each one is doing their own little bit.. one is doing the BPX core, one is doing the H.323 core, another is doing some other things.. but no one does voicemail, T1 routing (for incoming voice T's) and other "normal" phone system features. but the NT based call managers are complete in functionality. luckly i'm not in desperate need of a system right now.. so i have time (haha.. not really) to play with this stuff. maybe in a year.. i'll have the software together in a nice package, and I can go into business for myself installing linux based phone systems.. places to read: http://www.asteriskpbx.com/ http://www.linuxtelephony.org http://www.vovida.com/ (they don't do PBX anymore :( Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > hey.. is there anyone out there doing anything with Voice over IP? I am > > researching VoIP based PBX's right now.. to replace our existing > > proprietary PBX system (fujitsu series 3) I have found 2 systems, a > > nortel, and a cisco, both are based on embeded windows NT.. (bleh) i have > > found a bunch of stuff on linuxtelephony.org.. but it's all really > > beta.. and there are no VAR's for it. :( > > have your researches found anything about those Cisco IP phones? they seem > like a really cool idea, especially in combination with a freenix telephony > server. > how well will they work on the same network as your computers? any > security issues with them? I'm sure they're designed to be served by a Sun > box or something; but how easy would it be to reverse engineer the protocol > and make a free server? > > why ever would you put a PBX on embedded NT? if you were deteremined to go > with a non-free OS, wouldn't you at least go QNX or VxWorks or SCO or > something that wasn't designed to be rebooted once a day? > > Carl Soderstrom > -- > Network Engineer > Real-Time Enterprises > (952) 943-8700 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Wed Sep 27 16:19:34 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21734] VoIP Message-ID: <0G1K00EO3EM8AH@mail1.supervalu.com> I've sat in on a couple meetings with our Lucent reps at their corporate headquarters, and they've got some pretty cool stuff going. Lucent makes 3x as much money a year as Cisco, and they are best known for their PBXs. I've heard they've got some pretty solid VoIP stuff (although it might be pricey...) Nick ben@nerp.net, on 09/27/2000 03:58:36 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF cc: Subject: [TCLUG:21734] VoIP hey.. is there anyone out there doing anything with Voice over IP? I am researching VoIP based PBX's right now.. to replace our existing proprietary PBX system (fujitsu series 3) I have found 2 systems, a nortel, and a cisco, both are based on embeded windows NT.. (bleh) i have found a bunch of stuff on linuxtelephony.org.. but it's all really beta.. and there are no VAR's for it. :( Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Wed Sep 27 16:39:39 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21734] VoIP In-Reply-To: <0G1K00EO3EM8AH@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: well.. i've got about $50-60k to work with here, which doesn't get you much when it comes to proprietary PBX's but is much more useable for VoIP. i might look at the lucent stuff next.. but man.. their new phones just seem crappy.. (it all comes down to who has the nicest handsets anyway :) Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Wed, 27 Sep 2000 Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > I've sat in on a couple meetings with our Lucent reps at their > corporate headquarters, and they've got some pretty cool stuff > going. > > Lucent makes 3x as much money a year as Cisco, and they > are best known for their PBXs. I've heard they've got some > pretty solid VoIP stuff (although it might be pricey...) > > Nick > > > > > > ben@nerp.net, on 09/27/2000 03:58:36 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF > cc: > Subject: [TCLUG:21734] VoIP > > hey.. is there anyone out there doing anything with Voice over IP? I am > researching VoIP based PBX's right now.. to replace our existing > proprietary PBX system (fujitsu series 3) I have found 2 systems, a > nortel, and a cisco, both are based on embeded windows NT.. (bleh) i have > found a bunch of stuff on linuxtelephony.org.. but it's all really > beta.. and there are no VAR's for it. :( > > Thank You, > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] > | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] > | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] > | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Wed Sep 27 16:44:46 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG:21717] Speaking of DSL [was: Project Idea: ExpectTK to configure Cisco 675's] In-Reply-To: <000c01c028c2$21769580$650aa8c0@cccu.com> Message-ID: Yes, but he was looking at not having to do NAT from his real IP on the 675 -> 10.0.0.x -> 192.168.1.x. My solution accomplishes this, but the firewall would have to do proxy ARP for the IP's. And there's no guarantee that it would work, I've never tried it. Really though the proper way is to just let it do the NAT twice. You're routing between two different networks, the ISP/DSL network and the firewalled internal network. You're sending the packets through the extra hop anyways, the NAT will add almost nothing extra to it. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, Eric Hillman wrote: > > Give the 2nd ether on the firewall, say, 10.0.0.128/29 (for instance). > > You assign your machines 10.0.0.129, 10.0.0.130, etc. Then you setup the > > port forwarding on the DSL router: > > > > your.machine:25 -> 10.0.0.129:25. The DSL router sees 10.0.0.0/24 as the > > entire subnet, and it forwards the packets to the ethernet port (doing the > > NAT form your external IP to 10.0.0.129). The firewall sees a packet > > coming in for 10.0.0.129:25, doesn't do any NAT but just filters, and > > sends it on it's way. > > > > So your DSL router thinks it's on a /24 network, the firewall thinks that > > eth0 is a /30 (just it and the router), and it's other ether port is on > > a different subnet (you have to make sure that what you assign your > > machines out of doesn't overlap with what the firewall sees, so it doesn't > > get conflicting netmasks. > > > Um, I really think you're making things more complicated than they need to be. > (I'm allergic to weird netmasks -- I suppose if you're comfortable with that > stuff, maybe you think differently). > > Just use a reserved class C address internally -- 192.168.xxx.yyy and a netmask > of 255.255.255.0 (Clue for the Clueless -- "xxx" must be *identical* on every > internal box, "yyy" must be *unique*). > > The end result is more or less the same, I just find it easier to deal with > mentally when different networks actually *look* different. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Wed Sep 27 17:54:21 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21693] portmap In-Reply-To: <20000927004313.G6707@ringworld.org> Message-ID: bash-2.01# rpcinfo -p program vers proto port 100000 2 tcp 111 portmapper 100000 2 udp 111 portmapper It's exactly the same if I run it on the BSD machine against the linux box or vice-versa. My hosts.allow and hosts.deny were both empty. Do I want to do: /etc/hosts.allow: my.ip.addresses /etc/hosts.deny: ALL right? Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, Scott Dier wrote: > Try running rpcinfo -p 'hostname' > > from localhost, and the remote host. compare notes. > > I bet for some reason the remote portmapper is setup to deny. Which can > (oddly enough) be set in your hosts.deny stuff. You might want to be > sore that your allowing in hosts.allow (ip based *only*) and hosts.deny > (ALL, so any that dont match allow are allowed). > > > * Adam Maloney [000926 19:33]: > > I have a happy Slackware-7 box, it's exporting home dirs to the other > > machines on my network. Even the Lose95 is happy. I have a BSD machine > > in the corner which cannot mount from linux. When I try to mount: > > > > mount hostname.domain.com:/home /mnt > > NFS Portmap: RPC: Program not registered > > > > portmap, mountd, nfsd, nfsiod are all running. The /etc/rpc file contains > > to entries pertaining to nfs: > > > > nfs 100003 nfsprog > > pcnfsd 150001 > > > > Anyone know why this isn't working? I don't own the "Managing NFS and > > NIS" O'reilly book, unfortunately. > > > > Adam Maloney > > Systems Administrator > > Sihope Communications > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > -- > Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet > http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Wed Sep 27 18:22:22 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21743] IDE-SCSI still failing. Message-ID: <39D2812E.BF46D4EB@tcfreenet.org> cal@bigtime:~$ uname -a Linux bigtime.local 2.2.17 #1 Sun Sep 10 17:35:45 CDT 2000 i686 unknown Starting to write CD/DVD at speed 4 in write mode for single session. Last chance to quit, starting real write in 1 seconds. Waiting for reader process to fill input buffer ... input buffer ready. Performing OPC... Starting new track at sector: 0 Track 01: 566 of 639 MB written (fifo 100%).cdrecord: Input/output error. write_g1: scsi sendcmd: retryable error CDB: 2A 00 00 04 6C 90 00 00 10 00 status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION) Sense Bytes: 70 00 05 00 00 00 00 0A 00 00 00 00 21 00 00 00 Sense Key: 0x5 Illegal Request, Segment 0 Sense Code: 0x21 Qual 0x00 (logical block address out of range) Fru 0x0 Sense flags: Blk 0 (not valid) write track data: error after 593788928 bytes Sense Bytes: 70 00 00 00 00 00 00 0A 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Writing time: 895.072s Fixating... Blah. CD writes are failing randomly still. Damn it. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tobytoo at black-hole.com Wed Sep 27 18:12:03 2000 From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (BT) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21592] Pentium Pro's References: Message-ID: <39D27EC3.747F0B71@black-hole.com> See how much they want for it, it sounds like a fun toy. Ben Kochie wrote: > i forget who made it.. i belive intel custom made it for a supercomputer > startup.. i belive it had something to do with one of cray's > partners.. i'll see if I can still get ahold of it.. it's not an item that > moves very fast.. (wanted too much for it) > > Thank You, > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] > | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] > | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] > | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > On Mon, 25 Sep 2000, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > > > I have also seen >2 processor PPro systems, and I even looked at > > > purchasing a 16 processor Pentium classic 166mhz system, i doubt it's > > > still around, but it was an interesting machine. > > > > what make/model was it? > > would have been an interesting thing to play with. :) > > > > anyone have any idea what a 32-processor Sequent (now IBM NUMA-Q) server costs these days? > > > > Linux 2.4 has a hard limit of 32 processors on 32-bit archs, 64 procs on > > 64-bit architectures. (tho they're going to try to fix that for 2.5) > > something to do with word-sized processor numbers in a couple of places in > > the code. > > > > Carl Soderstrom > > -- > > Network Engineer > > Real-Time Enterprises > > (952) 943-8700 > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Wed Sep 27 18:28:38 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21734] VoIP In-Reply-To: ; from ben@nerp.net on Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 04:29:52PM -0500 References: <20000927161617.A4620@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20000927182838.E4620@real-time.com> > yes.. cisco phones are cool.. any idea how much they cost? if you could run your telephony server off a castoff 486 or P1, the cost on that end is nearly nil (except for the T1 interface... which is pricey). > places to read: > http://www.asteriskpbx.com/ > http://www.linuxtelephony.org > http://www.vovida.com/ (they don't do PBX anymore :( I think I've looked at all of those at some point or another... just never had much time to look around. I think I found a link to asteriskpbx.com from Alan Cox's diary. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Wed Sep 27 18:35:25 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21734] VoIP In-Reply-To: <20000927182838.E4620@real-time.com> Message-ID: I'm still looking.. I talked to someone who is also looking at the nortel system.. the call router is actualy a real router, not NT like the cisco system. tho you need to attach a VM system to the nortel.. which is what the NT machine is for. (ick) my VM system is OS/2 right now.. it rocks :) you do need a little more power for VoIP systems.. they do software compression codec's so you need somethign to compress audio streams. i'm still looking at different boxes.. but it sounds like the cisco stuff lacks a little in functionality.. (well.. nortel is THE phone system company) but i'm really looking forward to playing with Linux based PBX's Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > yes.. cisco phones are cool.. > any idea how much they cost? if you could run your telephony > server off a castoff 486 or P1, the cost on that end is nearly nil > (except for the T1 interface... which is pricey). > > > places to read: > > http://www.asteriskpbx.com/ > > http://www.linuxtelephony.org > > http://www.vovida.com/ (they don't do PBX anymore :( > > I think I've looked at all of those at some point or another... just never > had much time to look around. I think I found a link to asteriskpbx.com from > Alan Cox's diary. > > Carl Soderstrom > -- > Network Engineer > Real-Time Enterprises > (952) 943-8700 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Wed Sep 27 18:58:52 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21743] IDE-SCSI still failing. References: <39D2812E.BF46D4EB@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <39D289BC.FA5381AA@tcfreenet.org> > Blah. CD writes are failing randomly still. Damn it. Starting to write CD/DVD at speed 4 in write mode for single session. Last chance to quit, starting real write in 1 seconds. Waiting for reader process to fill input buffer ... input buffer ready. Performing OPC... Starting new track at sector: 0 Track 01: 229 of 639 MB written (fifo 99%).cdrecord: Input/output error. write_g1: scsi sendcmd: retryable error CDB: 2A 00 00 01 CB 10 00 00 10 00 status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION) Sense Bytes: 70 00 05 00 00 00 00 0A 00 00 00 00 21 00 00 00 Sense Key: 0x5 Illegal Request, Segment 0 Sense Code: 0x21 Qual 0x00 (logical block address out of range) Fru 0x0 Sense flags: Blk 0 (not valid) write track data: error after 240680960 bytes Sense Bytes: 70 00 00 00 00 00 00 0A 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Writing time: 378.812s Fixating... Fixating time: 69.029s cdrecord: fifo had 7473 puts and 7346 gets. cdrecord: fifo was 0 times empty and 4718 times full, min fill was 79%. root@bigtime:/Ddos/download/linux$ BLAAAARRRRRGHHHHHH! I've now wasted two CDs. Excuse me while I microwave Mandrake CDs and swear a lot... @#!$#$%&%^(!&@#$!$@% --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Sep 27 19:58:34 2000 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21743] IDE-SCSI still failing. References: <39D2812E.BF46D4EB@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <39D297BA.712DBC52@tc.umn.edu> Callum Lerwick wrote: > > cal@bigtime:~$ uname -a > Linux bigtime.local 2.2.17 #1 Sun Sep 10 17:35:45 CDT 2000 i686 unknown > > Starting to write CD/DVD at speed 4 in write mode for single session. > Last chance to quit, starting real write in 1 seconds. > Waiting for reader process to fill input buffer ... input buffer ready. > Performing OPC... > Starting new track at sector: 0 > Track 01: 566 of 639 MB written (fifo 100%).cdrecord: Input/output > error. write_g1: scsi sendcmd: retryable error > CDB: 2A 00 00 04 6C 90 00 00 10 00 > status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION) > Sense Bytes: 70 00 05 00 00 00 00 0A 00 00 00 00 21 00 00 00 > Sense Key: 0x5 Illegal Request, Segment 0 > Sense Code: 0x21 Qual 0x00 (logical block address out of range) Fru 0x0 > Sense flags: Blk 0 (not valid) > > write track data: error after 593788928 bytes > Sense Bytes: 70 00 00 00 00 00 00 0A 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 > Writing time: 895.072s > Fixating... > > Blah. CD writes are failing randomly still. Damn it. I hate to say it, but CD writing is pretty hard to do right on my system. I cannot have X Windows running for one reason or another (even though I have a SCSI drive and (I think) a moderately decent PCI controller). In case you haven't tried it, make sure you are running as few extra programs/daemons as possible. Maybe even disconnect your computer from the network if you have to (you might be getting huge numbers of interrupts or something). -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I give advice worth the / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ price -- free! \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Wed Sep 27 21:59:01 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21749] NFS Message-ID: Okay, so I've got things fixed to where I can mount from BSD to linux no problem, but I'm still having problems mounting from linux to BSD. I'm trying to export /home from linux to BSD. The mount works without error, but after I mount it, if I do an ls in the mountpoint or an ls -ld on the mountpoint I get a "permission denied". If I do a mount, it shows up as a mounted filesystem, but if I do a df it's not there. I checked the mount_nfs options in the BSD man page, nothing looked useful. It's gotta be something wierd that linux does (or doesn't do) by default. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From sos at zjod.net Wed Sep 27 22:29:51 2000 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21751] RH-7.0 installation blunder Message-ID: <200009280329.WAA06453@zjod.net> I downloaded the new RedHat 7.0 release Monday night/Tuesday morning and put the CD image files on CDs Tuesday evening. Tonight, I tried doing an initial install on an old Pentium I've got laying around. I was an hour and a half into the install: all the packages I wanted had been selected, my formerly RH-6.2 / and /usr partitions had been reformatted. Seemingly out of the blue, RedHat's wizzbang installer then figures out that I don't have enough disk space. Couldn't RedHat's paragon of leading-edge installation software technology have told me that I didn't have enough disk space _BEORE_ it formatted my disks? It _that_ broken, or what? Sheesh! BTW: ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/redhat/releases/guinness is missing the powertools directory. Consequently, the symlink for the powertools iso image in /linux/redhat/releases/guiness/iso/7.0-i386-powertools.iso points into the void. -S --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Sep 27 23:05:07 2000 From: chewie at wookimus.net (^chewie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21748] FTP (ipchains?) problem In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 09:48:26PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20000927230507.G2821@wookimus.net> On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 09:48:26PM -0500, Yaron wrote: > Hi, > > Ok, this happens once every now-and-again... > > I've got an IPCHAINS nat/firewall with a couple of boxes behind it. Now > for some reason, when I try to ftp from one of the workstations, I > occasionally get this: > > 230 Guest login ok, access restrictions apply. > Remote system type is UNIX. > Using binary mode to transfer files. > ftp> ls > 500 Illegal PORT Command > ftp: bind: Address already in use > > > This happens on every FTP site I connect to. Passive mode seems to work > fine, but I wanna get to the bottom of this. The firewall is allowing both > ports 20 and 21, and allowing source to return. Furthermore, it logs all > denals and is logging nothing when this happens. Use ncftp. Enable the option "passive". Insmod "ip_masq_ftp.o". Download files. -- Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom http://wookimus.net/chewie --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andy at theasis.com Wed Sep 27 23:25:10 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21751] RH-7.0 installation blunder In-Reply-To: <200009280329.WAA06453@zjod.net> Message-ID: You did send this note to RedHat too, where it might do some good, right? Andy On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, Steve Siegfried wrote: > Couldn't RedHat's paragon of leading-edge installation software technology > have told me that I didn't have enough disk space _BEORE_ it formatted my > disks? > > It _that_ broken, or what? Sheesh! > > > -S > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at usinternet.com Wed Sep 27 23:45:45 2000 From: blutgens at usinternet.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21749] NFS In-Reply-To: ; from adamm@sihope.com on Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 09:59:01PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20000927234545.A24132@ares.usinternet.com> On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 09:59:01PM -0500, Adam Maloney wrote: >Okay, so I've got things fixed to where I can mount from BSD to linux no >problem, but I'm still having problems mounting from linux to BSD. Are you using NIS or some such? It may be permissions. There is a no_root_squash opion to the linux nfs client that fixes that. (albeit unsecurely. > >I'm trying to export /home from linux to BSD. The mount works without >error, but after I mount it, if I do an ls in the mountpoint or an ls -ld >on the mountpoint I get a "permission denied". If I do a mount, it shows >up as a mounted filesystem, but if I do a df it's not there. > >I checked the mount_nfs options in the BSD man page, nothing looked >useful. It's gotta be something wierd that linux does (or doesn't do) by >default. > >Adam Maloney >Systems Administrator >Sihope Communications > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at usinternet.com Wed Sep 27 23:50:19 2000 From: blutgens at usinternet.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21751] RH-7.0 installation blunder In-Reply-To: <200009280329.WAA06453@zjod.net>; from sos@zjod.net on Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 10:29:51PM -0500 References: <200009280329.WAA06453@zjod.net> Message-ID: <20000927235019.B24132@ares.usinternet.com> On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 10:29:51PM -0500, Steve Siegfried wrote: > >Couldn't RedHat's paragon of leading-edge installation software technology >have told me that I didn't have enough disk space _BEORE_ it formatted my >disks? Thanks for the tip, we have some redhat boxen at work and I was gonna take in the CD i burned for the guys to "upgrade" sounds more like a reinstall. apt-get upgrade will NEVER format anything!! Upgrade to Debian soon. :-) > >It _that_ broken, or what? Sheesh! Boy I guess so, shame on them. -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at usinternet.com Wed Sep 27 23:53:20 2000 From: blutgens at usinternet.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21751] RH-7.0 installation blunder In-Reply-To: ; from andy@theasis.com on Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 11:25:10PM -0500 References: <200009280329.WAA06453@zjod.net> Message-ID: <20000927235320.D24132@ares.usinternet.com> On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 11:25:10PM -0500, andy@theasis.com wrote: > >You did send this note to RedHat too, where it might do some good, right? > I doubt it'd ever get to the people who could make that change. Even if it did, they probably know and don't care. Or there's another reason. I too am going to try and "upgrade" a box or two and I'll send my results. -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at usinternet.com Thu Sep 28 00:14:15 2000 From: blutgens at usinternet.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21751] RH-7.0 installation blunder In-Reply-To: ; from andy@theasis.com on Thu, Sep 28, 2000 at 12:01:50AM -0500 References: <20000927235320.D24132@ares.usinternet.com> Message-ID: <20000928001415.A24311@ares.usinternet.com> On Thu, Sep 28, 2000 at 12:01:50AM -0500, andy@theasis.com wrote: >You don't vote, do you? No. I haven't the time nor the will to educate myself enough to make an intelligent decision on a candidate. So rather than vote blindly and possibly aiding in mass idiocy, I choose to abstain. THough I don't see the correlation. > >I bet it'll do one more good (in terms of actually fixing the broken-ness) >than merely sending a note to some LUG list. Possibly. But all that "Hey this is broken" mail goes the same place as the "You suck" mail. /dev/null They are a rather large company and it seems to me, they could care less about you. (or else they wouldn't charge for thier "Update Service" If anything that should be free. After all you aren't getting the pretty package or support contract. >I've heard some disturbing things from others trying to install or upgrade >6.x to 7.0. I find this somewhat odd given that the beta worked pretty >well for me on at least 3 occasions. > Bummer, sure is gonna bring work to a halt for an hour or two for our RH using coders. Wish it were a little better. I thought RedHat's installer was thier big claim to fame, they could have done better than this IMHO. Perhaps that's why debian has that kick ass update method, cause the install sucks (really badly untill you get used to it. Personally I fly through it but new debian users have a hell of a time) Oh well. More work for me I guess. Cheers. -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Thu Sep 28 06:37:19 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21749] NFS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yeah I noticed that forcing the BSD machine to not fallback to v2 didn't work at all, so the linux machine isn't supporting v3. I'll try enabling it on the server. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, Ben Kochie wrote: > yep.. linux NFS sucks. you might want to check to see what version of NFS > you have installed.. there are (3?) several flavors depending on what > distro you use (yes.. adam.. slackware is not the only distro :) if i > remember right, slackware finaly got knfs in version 7.. but it's nfs V3 > (what bsd is probably using) is turned off.. you can either enable V3 > support on your linux box.. or disable v3 on your BSD box.. you may have > to upgrade NFS on the linux box.. or if V3 is enabled on the linux > box.. switch it back to V2.. and the BSD box may be anoyed, but serv it > anyway :) (depending on how it's setup) > > Thank You, > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] > | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] > | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] > | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, Adam Maloney wrote: > > > Okay, so I've got things fixed to where I can mount from BSD to linux no > > problem, but I'm still having problems mounting from linux to BSD. > > > > I'm trying to export /home from linux to BSD. The mount works without > > error, but after I mount it, if I do an ls in the mountpoint or an ls -ld > > on the mountpoint I get a "permission denied". If I do a mount, it shows > > up as a mounted filesystem, but if I do a df it's not there. > > > > I checked the mount_nfs options in the BSD man page, nothing looked > > useful. It's gotta be something wierd that linux does (or doesn't do) by > > default. > > > > Adam Maloney > > Systems Administrator > > Sihope Communications > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Thu Sep 28 06:38:11 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21749] NFS In-Reply-To: <20000927234545.A24132@ares.usinternet.com> Message-ID: I'm not using NIS yet (going to be...). I do have no_root_squash set in the exports. My UID's match anyways though, so even logged in as my normal user account I get the same problem. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 09:59:01PM -0500, Adam Maloney wrote: > >Okay, so I've got things fixed to where I can mount from BSD to linux no > >problem, but I'm still having problems mounting from linux to BSD. > > Are you using NIS or some such? It may be permissions. There is a > no_root_squash opion to the linux nfs client that fixes that. (albeit > unsecurely. > > > > >I'm trying to export /home from linux to BSD. The mount works without > >error, but after I mount it, if I do an ls in the mountpoint or an ls -ld > >on the mountpoint I get a "permission denied". If I do a mount, it shows > >up as a mounted filesystem, but if I do a df it's not there. > > > >I checked the mount_nfs options in the BSD man page, nothing looked > >useful. It's gotta be something wierd that linux does (or doesn't do) by > >default. > > > >Adam Maloney > >Systems Administrator > >Sihope Communications > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > -- > Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 > > > Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------­ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From kent at structural-wood.com Thu Sep 28 06:38:14 2000 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21734] VoIP References: Message-ID: <39D32DA6.92A0849C@structural-wood.com> If you do go into business, I might be a customer. I too have been holding out for a linux based PBX - an NT based one seems utterly nuts. Kent Ben Kochie wrote: > > yes.. cisco phones are cool.. they run on the "H.323" protocol.. wich is > one of the better VoIP protocols.. each phone DHCP, or static assigns an > IP address, it contains an id number, and a server IP address (as far as i > know) I really don't know much about the security of the whole > thing.. which is why i'm trying to get my hands on some equip (talking to > a cisco vendor currently) > nope.. it's all open standard.. from what I can tell.. you could buy > nortel call manager, and cisco phones, and they would all play nicely. or > atleast basic stuff would work fine.. that's what the goal of VoIP > was.. make it non-proprietary. the hardware involved is a mostly standard > PC, with addon boards to do things like T1's pots lines, and other such > telco-specific hardware. oh.. and an ethernet card to connect the IP > based phones.. the cisco phones plug into ethernet, and have a > pass-through port for a PC, (10/100) > and even better.. is no reverse engenieering is necessary.. all the > protocols that are used are open, and there are even GPL implamentations > of most of it.. but the problem i'm running into is this.. there are no > good all-in-one soltions in the GPL community.. each one is doing their > own little bit.. one is doing the BPX core, one is doing the H.323 core, > another is doing some other things.. but no one does voicemail, T1 routing > (for incoming voice T's) and other "normal" phone system features. but > the NT based call managers are complete in functionality. luckly i'm not > in desperate need of a system right now.. so i have time (haha.. not > really) to play with this stuff. maybe in a year.. i'll have the software > together in a nice package, and I can go into business for myself > installing linux based phone systems.. > > places to read: > http://www.asteriskpbx.com/ > http://www.linuxtelephony.org > http://www.vovida.com/ (they don't do PBX anymore :( > > Thank You, > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] > | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] > | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] > | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] > *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > > > hey.. is there anyone out there doing anything with Voice over IP? I am > > > researching VoIP based PBX's right now.. to replace our existing > > > proprietary PBX system (fujitsu series 3) I have found 2 systems, a > > > nortel, and a cisco, both are based on embeded windows NT.. (bleh) i have > > > found a bunch of stuff on linuxtelephony.org.. but it's all really > > > beta.. and there are no VAR's for it. :( > > > > have your researches found anything about those Cisco IP phones? they seem > > like a really cool idea, especially in combination with a freenix telephony > > server. > > how well will they work on the same network as your computers? any > > security issues with them? I'm sure they're designed to be served by a Sun > > box or something; but how easy would it be to reverse engineer the protocol > > and make a free server? > > > > why ever would you put a PBX on embedded NT? if you were deteremined to go > > with a non-free OS, wouldn't you at least go QNX or VxWorks or SCO or > > something that wasn't designed to be rebooted once a day? > > > > Carl Soderstrom > > -- > > Network Engineer > > Real-Time Enterprises > > (952) 943-8700 > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Kent Schumacher Structural Wood Corporation 4000 Labore Rd. St. Paul, MN 55110 Phone: (651) 426-8111 Fax: (651) 426-6859 e-mail: kent@structural-wood.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From nbetcher at uswest.net Thu Sep 28 07:10:49 2000 From: nbetcher at uswest.net (Nick B) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21751] RH-7.0 installation blunder References: <20000927235320.D24132@ares.usinternet.com> <20000928001415.A24311@ares.usinternet.com> Message-ID: <39D33549.4250E398@uswest.net> Ben, Irrationality isn't going to get the linux community anywhere. The only way Linux can succeed in the world and attempt to compete with Microsoft Windows on all scales (including gaming) is if a commercial company behind it. Redhat has put a lot of time into this distribution, and I know that for a fact. What I also know, is that Redhat cares a lot about the consumers. You may ask: "Well how does he know this?". Well I know a few people who work there and I'm in constant contact with them. Sometimes this stuff happens. Don't blame it on the company for not caring... that is just being ignorant. I downloaded Redhat 7.0 myself, burned it, and installed it without any glitches. Also... did you think that this person might have said: "Scan for bad blocks" when formatting his drive and ended up loosing the space he thought he had free? I know on my laptop it told me I didn't have enough space free right away, so I fixed that and started the install :) Don't blame it on the company for being a huge commercial business. The people I have contact with tell me that Redhat is NOT at all like Microsoft in any way. The people there are nice, caring people who just want the best. Also, lets face it....Microsoft didn't get to where they are now because they had good OS's... its because they are a commercial company like Redhat that can consult for businesses and solve their problems with the OS's solutions. Just get use to Redhat, don't fight them, because then you are just helping Microsoft. --Nick Betcher (Shorewood, MN) Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Thu, Sep 28, 2000 at 12:01:50AM -0500, andy@theasis.com wrote: > >You don't vote, do you? > > No. I haven't the time nor the will to educate myself enough to make an > intelligent decision on a candidate. So rather than vote blindly and possibly > aiding in mass idiocy, I choose to abstain. > > THough I don't see the correlation. > > > > >I bet it'll do one more good (in terms of actually fixing the broken-ness) > >than merely sending a note to some LUG list. > > Possibly. But all that "Hey this is broken" mail goes the same place as the > "You suck" mail. /dev/null > > They are a rather large company and it seems to me, they could care less about > you. (or else they wouldn't charge for thier "Update Service" If anything that > should be free. After all you aren't getting the pretty package or support > contract. > > >I've heard some disturbing things from others trying to install or upgrade > >6.x to 7.0. I find this somewhat odd given that the beta worked pretty > >well for me on at least 3 occasions. > > > Bummer, sure is gonna bring work to a halt for an hour or two for our RH using > coders. Wish it were a little better. I thought RedHat's installer was thier > big claim to fame, they could have done better than this IMHO. > > Perhaps that's why debian has that kick ass update method, cause the install > sucks (really badly untill you get used to it. Personally I fly through it but > new debian users have a hell of a time) > > Oh well. More work for me I guess. Cheers. > -- > Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 > > Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From nbetcher at uswest.net Thu Sep 28 07:12:45 2000 From: nbetcher at uswest.net (Nick B) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21751] RH-7.0 installation blunder References: <20000927235320.D24132@ares.usinternet.com> <20000928001415.A24311@ares.usinternet.com> Message-ID: <39D335BC.86DF263A@uswest.net> Also Ben... I updated my Redhat free. What are you talking about??? Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Thu, Sep 28, 2000 at 12:01:50AM -0500, andy@theasis.com wrote: > >You don't vote, do you? > > No. I haven't the time nor the will to educate myself enough to make an > intelligent decision on a candidate. So rather than vote blindly and possibly > aiding in mass idiocy, I choose to abstain. > > THough I don't see the correlation. > > > > >I bet it'll do one more good (in terms of actually fixing the broken-ness) > >than merely sending a note to some LUG list. > > Possibly. But all that "Hey this is broken" mail goes the same place as the > "You suck" mail. /dev/null > > They are a rather large company and it seems to me, they could care less about > you. (or else they wouldn't charge for thier "Update Service" If anything that > should be free. After all you aren't getting the pretty package or support > contract. > > >I've heard some disturbing things from others trying to install or upgrade > >6.x to 7.0. I find this somewhat odd given that the beta worked pretty > >well for me on at least 3 occasions. > > > Bummer, sure is gonna bring work to a halt for an hour or two for our RH using > coders. Wish it were a little better. I thought RedHat's installer was thier > big claim to fame, they could have done better than this IMHO. > > Perhaps that's why debian has that kick ass update method, cause the install > sucks (really badly untill you get used to it. Personally I fly through it but > new debian users have a hell of a time) > > Oh well. More work for me I guess. Cheers. > -- > Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 > > Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andy at theasis.com Thu Sep 28 07:24:43 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21751] RH-7.0 installation blunder -- OT rants... In-Reply-To: <20000928001415.A24311@ares.usinternet.com> Message-ID: > On Thu, Sep 28, 2000 at 12:01:50AM -0500, andy@theasis.com wrote: > >You don't vote, do you? > > No. I haven't the time nor the will to educate myself enough to make an > intelligent decision on a candidate. So rather than vote blindly and possibly > aiding in mass idiocy, I choose to abstain. > > THough I don't see the correlation. Merely wondering if it goes along with the pessimistic attitude. Or is it fatalistic? Consumers can only have influence through their $ and their willingness to communicate. Consumers of free stuff have only 1/2 of that. Attending to consumer feedback is the cheapest form of market research. > >I bet it'll do one more good (in terms of actually fixing the broken-ness) > >than merely sending a note to some LUG list. > > Possibly. But all that "Hey this is broken" mail goes the same place as the > "You suck" mail. /dev/null > > They are a rather large company and it seems to me, they could care less about > you. (or else they wouldn't charge for thier "Update Service" If anything that > should be free. After all you aren't getting the pretty package or support > contract. Too many big assumptions behind all those conclusions for my taste. I use RedHat not because I think they're great, but because I'm familiar with them, they've worked well for my purposes, and none of their shortcomings are sufficient to make me want to sink the time into switching to something else. So I'm anything but a rabid fan. Even so, it'd be hard to convince me that any of your claims could be true in terms of their normal practices. > >I've heard some disturbing things from others trying to install or upgrade > >6.x to 7.0. I find this somewhat odd given that the beta worked pretty > >well for me on at least 3 occasions. > > > Bummer, sure is gonna bring work to a halt for an hour or two for our RH using > coders. Wish it were a little better. I thought RedHat's installer was thier > big claim to fame, they could have done better than this IMHO. Sure it was. They have other claims to fame now. They have other emphases. Any company who's been around that long in this industry can't afford to be static (stagnant). And it's not an installer that will keep them in business. Sure, I wish they would improve it in a lot of ways. As for people doing work, blindly going out and grabbing the latest update as soon as it appears isn't necessarily the most sound approach to maintaining productivity. Regardless of your distribution and what gods built it, I sure hope anyone doing something critical does a little checking first. > Perhaps that's why debian has that kick ass update method, cause the install > sucks (really badly untill you get used to it. Personally I fly through it but > new debian users have a hell of a time) > > Oh well. More work for me I guess. Cheers. There's always that. Andy --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Thu Sep 28 07:37:41 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21765] file limit? Message-ID: <20000928073741.D53251@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Hmmm... trying to create a 4 GB tarball on a RedHat 6.2 box. At about 1 GB, it just sort of stops. I know Linux has a file size limit. Anyone know if that limit is 1 GB? Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Dear Dr. Stupid: Why do I have to go to school?" -- Announcer "Your parents are aliens!! While you're at school, they shed their human skins and breathe dryer lint!!" - Dr. Stupid in "Ask Dr. Stupid" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Thu Sep 28 07:41:40 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21765] file limit? Message-ID: <0G1L00IOXL9VDI@mail1.supervalu.com> Actually, the file size limit is file system limit, not a Linux limit. ext2 has a file size limit of 2GB on 32-bit systems. ReiserFS is larger, I believe, and if you're running Windows, NTFS has unlimited file size on 32-bit systems. It all depends on the quality of the file system. Nick dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu, on 09/28/2000 07:37:41 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF cc: Subject: [TCLUG:21765] file limit? Hmmm... trying to create a 4 GB tarball on a RedHat 6.2 box. At about 1 GB, it just sort of stops. I know Linux has a file size limit. Anyone know if that limit is 1 GB? Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Dear Dr. Stupid: Why do I have to go to school?" -- Announcer "Your parents are aliens!! While you're at school, they shed their human skins and breathe dryer lint!!" - Dr. Stupid in "Ask Dr. Stupid" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Thu Sep 28 07:44:01 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21748] FTP (ipchains?) problem Message-ID: <0G1L00I1SLDRSM@mail1.supervalu.com> FTP is really weird. If I remember right, there is a module you can load (ip_masq_ftp.o?) that will help with FTP. Nick jethro@freakzilla.com, on 09/27/2000 09:48:26 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF cc: Subject: [TCLUG:21748] FTP (ipchains?) problem Hi, Ok, this happens once every now-and-again... I've got an IPCHAINS nat/firewall with a couple of boxes behind it. Now for some reason, when I try to ftp from one of the workstations, I occasionally get this: 230 Guest login ok, access restrictions apply. Remote system type is UNIX. Using binary mode to transfer files. ftp> ls 500 Illegal PORT Command ftp: bind: Address already in use This happens on every FTP site I connect to. Passive mode seems to work fine, but I wanna get to the bottom of this. The firewall is allowing both ports 20 and 21, and allowing source to return. Furthermore, it logs all denals and is logging nothing when this happens. Anyone? -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Thu Sep 28 08:19:51 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21748] FTP (ipchains?) problem References: Message-ID: <004a01c0294e$c93c3d10$ff01060a@metamoris.com> Did you load the masq_ftp module on the firewall? Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Yaron To: TCLUG Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 9:48 PM Subject: [TCLUG:21748] FTP (ipchains?) problem > Hi, > > Ok, this happens once every now-and-again... > > I've got an IPCHAINS nat/firewall with a couple of boxes behind it. Now > for some reason, when I try to ftp from one of the workstations, I > occasionally get this: > > 230 Guest login ok, access restrictions apply. > Remote system type is UNIX. > Using binary mode to transfer files. > ftp> ls > 500 Illegal PORT Command > ftp: bind: Address already in use > > > This happens on every FTP site I connect to. Passive mode seems to work > fine, but I wanna get to the bottom of this. The firewall is allowing both > ports 20 and 21, and allowing source to return. Furthermore, it logs all > denals and is logging nothing when this happens. > > Anyone? > > > -Yaron > > -- > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Thu Sep 28 08:22:19 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21765] file limit? References: <20000928073741.D53251@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <006b01c0294f$212ee310$ff01060a@metamoris.com> 2 GB limit. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 7:37 AM Subject: [TCLUG:21765] file limit? > Hmmm... trying to create a 4 GB tarball on a RedHat 6.2 box. At about 1 > GB, it just sort of stops. I know Linux has a file size limit. Anyone > know if that limit is 1 GB? > > Gabe > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > Gabe Turner | X-President, > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > "Dear Dr. Stupid: Why do I have to go to school?" -- Announcer > "Your parents are aliens!! While you're at school, they shed their > human skins and breathe dryer lint!!" > - Dr. Stupid in "Ask Dr. Stupid" > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Thu Sep 28 08:23:14 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21765] file limit? References: <0G1L00IOXL9VDI@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: <008201c0294f$425759f0$ff01060a@metamoris.com> Actually, last I heard for Windows NT 4 was that there was a 4 TB limit on NTFS. That may have changed for Windows 2000. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 7:41 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21765] file limit? > Actually, the file size limit is file system limit, not a Linux > limit. ext2 has a file size limit of 2GB on 32-bit systems. > ReiserFS is larger, I believe, and if you're running > Windows, NTFS has unlimited file size on 32-bit systems. > > It all depends on the quality of the file system. > > Nick > > > > > > dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu, on 09/28/2000 07:37:41 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF > cc: > Subject: [TCLUG:21765] file limit? > > Hmmm... trying to create a 4 GB tarball on a RedHat 6.2 box. At about 1 > GB, it just sort of stops. I know Linux has a file size limit. Anyone > know if that limit is 1 GB? > > Gabe > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > Gabe Turner | X-President, > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > "Dear Dr. Stupid: Why do I have to go to school?" -- Announcer > "Your parents are aliens!! While you're at school, they shed their > human skins and breathe dryer lint!!" > - Dr. Stupid in "Ask Dr. Stupid" > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at usinternet.com Thu Sep 28 08:20:16 2000 From: blutgens at usinternet.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21751] RH-7.0 installation blunder In-Reply-To: <39D33549.4250E398@uswest.net>; from nbetcher@uswest.net on Thu, Sep 28, 2000 at 07:10:49AM -0500 References: <20000927235320.D24132@ares.usinternet.com> <20000928001415.A24311@ares.usinternet.com> <39D33549.4250E398@uswest.net> Message-ID: <20000928082016.A26439@ares.usinternet.com> On Thu, Sep 28, 2000 at 07:10:49AM -0500, Nick B wrote: >Ben, > Irrationality isn't going to get the linux community anywhere. The only way >Linux can succeed in the world and attempt to compete with Microsoft Windows on all >scales (including gaming) is if a commercial company behind it. > Um, I was having a perfectly calm discussion. So I think RedHat sucks. What do you care? Thier distro sucks, and I think they suck as a company. Do I think the community needs them? Sure. But they still stuck. > Redhat has put a lot of time into this distribution, Not nearly enough, thier package managment needs work. I'd like to know how many people they have workign on ALL those packages. >and I know that for a fact. >What I also know, is that Redhat cares a lot about the consumers. You may ask: "Well >how does he know this?". Well I know a few people who work there and I'm in constant >contact with them. How nice. >Sometimes this stuff happens. Don't blame it on the company for >not caring... that is just being ignorant. Now this was total flame bait. You obviously have nothing better to do. >I downloaded Redhat 7.0 myself, burned >it, and installed it without any glitches. Also... did you think that this person >might have said: "Scan for bad blocks" when formatting his drive If they picked format at all the data is gone. Scanning for bad blocks isn't going to affect anything. And I said in my email we don't exactly know what happened. I also said that I was going to do a couple installs and post my results. Maybe you should read a little more before you start to flame. And for suture reference, should you feel like flaming me, don't. Cause you have been added to the "once list" a handly little list I have of all the people I choose not to read thier posts as they seem like flamewar to me. >and ended up >loosing the space he thought he had free? I know on my laptop it told me I didn't >have enough space free right away, so I fixed that and started the install :) > Good for you. > Don't blame it on the company for being a huge commercial business. The bigger they are, the more they suck. It's inevitable. And if you think otherwise, you are the "ignorant" person. Smaller companies are more personal, efficient, and have more soul. (read: USWest) >The people I >have contact with tell me that Redhat is NOT at all like Microsoft in any way. I never said they were. >The >people there are nice, caring people who just want the best. Also, lets face >it....Microsoft didn't get to where they are now because they had good OS's... its >because they are a commercial company like Redhat that can consult for businesses >and solve their problems with the OS's solutions. You think they did it through quality consulting? HAHAHA You are naive. >Just get use to Redhat, Why? Are you saying we all have no alternative? I don't have to use any dist if I don't want to, hell I can roll my own or use debian. We all know that will remain free. >don't >fight them, because then you are just helping Microsoft. Well thank you Eric S. Raymond. -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at usinternet.com Thu Sep 28 08:23:26 2000 From: blutgens at usinternet.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21765] file limit? In-Reply-To: <0G1L00IOXL9VDI@mail1.supervalu.com>; from Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com on Thu, Sep 28, 2000 at 07:41:40AM -0500 References: <0G1L00IOXL9VDI@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: <20000928082326.C26439@ares.usinternet.com> On Thu, Sep 28, 2000 at 07:41:40AM -0500, Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: >Actually, the file size limit is file system limit, not a Linux >limit. ext2 has a file size limit of 2GB on 32-bit systems. >ReiserFS is larger, I believe, and if you're running >Windows, NTFS has unlimited file size on 32-bit systems. > GFS has unlimited file size. Came in handy when dd'ing 36 block devices to a RAID Array. >It all depends on the quality of the file system. > >Nick > > > > > >dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu, on 09/28/2000 07:37:41 AM >To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF >cc: >Subject: [TCLUG:21765] file limit? > >Hmmm... trying to create a 4 GB tarball on a RedHat 6.2 box. At about 1 >GB, it just sort of stops. I know Linux has a file size limit. Anyone >know if that limit is 1 GB? > >Gabe > >-- >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Gabe Turner | X-President, >UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery >U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota >Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > >"Dear Dr. Stupid: Why do I have to go to school?" -- Announcer >"Your parents are aliens!! While you're at school, they shed their > human skins and breathe dryer lint!!" > - Dr. Stupid in "Ask Dr. Stupid" >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org >For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at usinternet.com Thu Sep 28 08:21:51 2000 From: blutgens at usinternet.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21751] RH-7.0 installation blunder In-Reply-To: <39D335BC.86DF263A@uswest.net>; from nbetcher@uswest.net on Thu, Sep 28, 2000 at 07:12:45AM -0500 References: <20000927235320.D24132@ares.usinternet.com> <20000928001415.A24311@ares.usinternet.com> <39D335BC.86DF263A@uswest.net> Message-ID: <20000928082151.B26439@ares.usinternet.com> On Thu, Sep 28, 2000 at 07:12:45AM -0500, Nick B wrote: >Also Ben... I updated my Redhat free. What are you talking about??? > Thier crazy online update scheme. Not sure of the details but it looks like it's a subscription service. I hope they use the cash to buy more mirriors or add some machines to the ftp server farm. -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Thu Sep 28 08:25:13 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21765] file limit? Message-ID: <0G1L00JHEN9S9S@mail1.supervalu.com> Yeah, that was a limit of NTFS4. NTFS5 has no file size limitation. It also adds some other cool features to the mix, such as quotas (finally), even more security attributes, the encrypted filesystem, what they called Distributed Link Tracking - it allows things like shortcuts, etc. to "follow" the location of files. (not new, been in the Mac alias for years, but still nice to have.), a sort of pseudo-symbolic link feature, and sparse file support. I really wish we had a full-featured file system like that under Linux, but it may be a while. Actually, all I really want is unlimited file size - is that to omuch to ask? Nick veldy@veldy.net, on 09/28/2000 08:23:14 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF cc: Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21765] file limit? Actually, last I heard for Windows NT 4 was that there was a 4 TB limit on NTFS. That may have changed for Windows 2000. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 7:41 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21765] file limit? > Actually, the file size limit is file system limit, not a Linux > limit. ext2 has a file size limit of 2GB on 32-bit systems. > ReiserFS is larger, I believe, and if you're running > Windows, NTFS has unlimited file size on 32-bit systems. > > It all depends on the quality of the file system. > > Nick > > > > > > dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu, on 09/28/2000 07:37:41 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF > cc: > Subject: [TCLUG:21765] file limit? > > Hmmm... trying to create a 4 GB tarball on a RedHat 6.2 box. At about 1 > GB, it just sort of stops. I know Linux has a file size limit. Anyone > know if that limit is 1 GB? > > Gabe > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > Gabe Turner | X-President, > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > "Dear Dr. Stupid: Why do I have to go to school?" -- Announcer > "Your parents are aliens!! While you're at school, they shed their > human skins and breathe dryer lint!!" > - Dr. Stupid in "Ask Dr. Stupid" > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Thu Sep 28 08:42:52 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21693] portmap In-Reply-To: ; from adamm@sihope.com on Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 05:54:21PM -0500 References: <20000927004313.G6707@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20000928084252.A8919@ringworld.org> Wack. Perhaps try to make sure that your using nfsv2 from the bsd box. hrm. * Adam Maloney [000927 17:54]: > bash-2.01# rpcinfo -p > program vers proto port > 100000 2 tcp 111 portmapper > 100000 2 udp 111 portmapper > > It's exactly the same if I run it on the BSD machine against the linux box > or vice-versa. > > My hosts.allow and hosts.deny were both empty. Do I want to do: > > /etc/hosts.allow: > my.ip.addresses > > /etc/hosts.deny: > ALL > > right? > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, Scott Dier wrote: > > > Try running rpcinfo -p 'hostname' > > > > from localhost, and the remote host. compare notes. > > > > I bet for some reason the remote portmapper is setup to deny. Which can > > (oddly enough) be set in your hosts.deny stuff. You might want to be > > sore that your allowing in hosts.allow (ip based *only*) and hosts.deny > > (ALL, so any that dont match allow are allowed). > > > > > > * Adam Maloney [000926 19:33]: > > > I have a happy Slackware-7 box, it's exporting home dirs to the other > > > machines on my network. Even the Lose95 is happy. I have a BSD machine > > > in the corner which cannot mount from linux. When I try to mount: > > > > > > mount hostname.domain.com:/home /mnt > > > NFS Portmap: RPC: Program not registered > > > > > > portmap, mountd, nfsd, nfsiod are all running. The /etc/rpc file contains > > > to entries pertaining to nfs: > > > > > > nfs 100003 nfsprog > > > pcnfsd 150001 > > > > > > Anyone know why this isn't working? I don't own the "Managing NFS and > > > NIS" O'reilly book, unfortunately. > > > > > > Adam Maloney > > > Systems Administrator > > > Sihope Communications > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > -- > > Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet > > http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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References: <0G1L00IOXL9VDI@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: <39D34C8F.51F75A7E@tc.umn.edu> Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > > Actually, the file size limit is file system limit, not a Linux > limit. ext2 has a file size limit of 2GB on 32-bit systems. > ReiserFS is larger, I believe, and if you're running > Windows, NTFS has unlimited file size on 32-bit systems. > > It all depends on the quality of the file system. Well, it's kind of both. Some filesystems can't handle large files at all (the aincent minix and ext filesystems are examples of this). Other filesystems can handle large files, but only if the kernel supports it. I believe that ext2 supports large files on Alpha. Also, Linux 2.4 will support large files if the filesystem supports it, regardless of whether you are on a 32-bit or 64-bit system. GFS for Linux 2.2 gets around this with some kernel patches on 32-bit systems, if I remember right. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ If you're not part of the / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ solution, you're part of \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) the precipitate. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From trammell at nitz.hep.umn.edu Thu Sep 28 01:30:20 2000 From: trammell at nitz.hep.umn.edu (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21765] file limit? Message-ID: <200009280630.BAA14735@nitz.hep.umn.edu> Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > Yeah, [4 TB] was a limit of NTFS4. NTFS5 has no file size > limitation. A much-needed expansion for PowerPoint users I hear. <\rimshot> > I really wish we had a full-featured file system like that under > Linux, but it may be a while. Actually, all I really want is > unlimited file size - is that too much to ask? I'm pretty sure Linux is open source. Why don't you roll your own? How hard could it be? :-) J --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Thu Sep 28 09:00:29 2000 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21765] file limit? Message-ID: <0G1L00K9TOYC3R@mail1.supervalu.com> Hey, as an Active Linux Member, I reserve the right to while all that I want. I have my own OSS project, but I'm not smart enough to right a filesystem. :( Nick trammell@nitz.hep.umn.edu, on 09/28/2000 01:30:20 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF cc: Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21765] file limit? Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > Yeah, [4 TB] was a limit of NTFS4. NTFS5 has no file size > limitation. A much-needed expansion for PowerPoint users I hear. <\rimshot> > I really wish we had a full-featured file system like that under > Linux, but it may be a while. Actually, all I really want is > unlimited file size - is that too much to ask? I'm pretty sure Linux is open source. Why don't you roll your own? How hard could it be? :-) J --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From bob at math.umn.edu Thu Sep 28 09:21:44 2000 From: bob at math.umn.edu (bob@math.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21765] file limit? In-Reply-To: <0G1L00JHEN9S9S@mail1.supervalu.com> from "Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com" at "Sep 28, 2000 08:25:13 am" Message-ID: <20000928142144.24591.qmail@khusro.math.umn.edu> What about XFS? Any limits there? For that matter, anyone using this under Linux? Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com allegedly wrote: > Yeah, that was a limit of NTFS4. NTFS5 has no file size > limitation. It also adds some other cool features to the mix, > such as quotas (finally), even more security attributes, the > encrypted filesystem, what they called Distributed Link > Tracking - it allows things like shortcuts, etc. to "follow" the > location of files. (not new, been in the Mac alias for years, > but still nice to have.), a sort of pseudo-symbolic link > feature, and sparse file support. > > I really wish we had a full-featured file system like that under Linux, > but it may be a while. Actually, all I really want is unlimited > file size - is that to omuch to ask? > > Nick > > > veldy@veldy.net, on 09/28/2000 08:23:14 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF > cc: > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21765] file limit? > > Actually, last I heard for Windows NT 4 was that there was a 4 TB limit on > NTFS. That may have changed for Windows 2000. > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 7:41 AM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21765] file limit? > > > > Actually, the file size limit is file system limit, not a Linux > > limit. ext2 has a file size limit of 2GB on 32-bit systems. > > ReiserFS is larger, I believe, and if you're running > > Windows, NTFS has unlimited file size on 32-bit systems. > > > > It all depends on the quality of the file system. > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > > > > > dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu, on 09/28/2000 07:37:41 AM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF > > cc: > > Subject: [TCLUG:21765] file limit? > > > > Hmmm... trying to create a 4 GB tarball on a RedHat 6.2 box. At about 1 > > GB, it just sort of stops. I know Linux has a file size limit. Anyone > > know if that limit is 1 GB? > > > > Gabe Adios, Chris -- C.S. Cornuelle School of Mathematics/MCIM, University of Minnesota 206 Church St. SE, Minneapolis, MN 55455 (612) 626-8930v, (612) 624-2333f, bob at math.umn.edu Ferventer Vestite --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Thu Sep 28 09:33:27 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21751] RH-7.0 installation blunder In-Reply-To: <39D33549.4250E398@uswest.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 28 Sep 2000, Nick B wrote: > Just get use to Redhat, don't fight them, because then you are just > helping Microsoft. Careful, there! That sounds very much like the kind of thinking that made Microsoft what it is today. I think you mean "Just work harder at opening a line of communication," perhaps. Or change it yourself. Cattle is cattle, and it doesn't matter who brands you if you're a cow! :) Cheers, Phil M -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at usinternet.com Thu Sep 28 09:33:15 2000 From: blutgens at usinternet.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21765] file limit? In-Reply-To: <39D34C8F.51F75A7E@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Thu, Sep 28, 2000 at 08:50:07AM -0500 References: <0G1L00IOXL9VDI@mail1.supervalu.com> <39D34C8F.51F75A7E@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20000928093315.A26713@ares.usinternet.com> On Thu, Sep 28, 2000 at 08:50:07AM -0500, Mike Hicks wrote: >Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > >Well, it's kind of both. Some filesystems can't handle large files at >all (the aincent minix and ext filesystems are examples of this). Other >filesystems can handle large files, but only if the kernel supports it. >I believe that ext2 supports large files on Alpha. Also, Linux 2.4 will >support large files if the filesystem supports it, regardless of whether >you are on a 32-bit or 64-bit system. GFS for Linux 2.2 gets around >this with some kernel patches on 32-bit systems, if I remember right. > Yeah, I think it's the lfs.patch that handles that. www.sistina.com/gfs check it out of cvs and give it a try. It's comming right along. -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at usinternet.com Thu Sep 28 09:50:02 2000 From: blutgens at usinternet.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21751] RH-7.0 installation blunder In-Reply-To: ; from mend0070@tc.umn.edu on Thu, Sep 28, 2000 at 09:33:27AM -0500 References: <39D33549.4250E398@uswest.net> Message-ID: <20000928095002.A440@ares.usinternet.com> On Thu, Sep 28, 2000 at 09:33:27AM -0500, Philip C Mendelsohn wrote: >On Thu, 28 Sep 2000, Nick B wrote: > >> Just get use to Redhat, don't fight them, because then you are just >> helping Microsoft. > >Careful, there! That sounds very much like the kind of thinking that made >Microsoft what it is today. I think you mean "Just work harder at opening >a line of communication," perhaps. Or change it yourself. Cattle is >cattle, and it doesn't matter who brands you if you're a cow! :) > Well said! :-) -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From clay at fandre.com Thu Sep 28 10:02:05 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21783] RH 7 - xinetd Message-ID: <970153325.39d35d6db4ab4@www.fandre.com> So I upgraded my 6.2 box last night to RH7. It actually went really well with no problems. So what's the deal with xinetd? I've never run it so I don't really know too much about it. From what I read about it it's suppose to be more secure. Anyone have any opinion on it? Are any other distros using it? Is there anything else in RH7 that they changed? (worth noting) Hurray for including OpenSSH. Now if they would only disable the services that aren't needed. (finger, telnet, rservices) Clay --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andy at theasis.com Thu Sep 28 10:21:36 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21783] RH 7 - xinetd In-Reply-To: <970153325.39d35d6db4ab4@www.fandre.com> Message-ID: > So I upgraded my 6.2 box last night to RH7. It actually went really well with > no problems. > > So what's the deal with xinetd? I've never run it so I don't really know too > much about it. From what I read about it it's suppose to be more secure. Anyone > have any opinion on it? Are any other distros using it? I haven't gotten much info on it aside from the man page. I also haven't bothered to try to configure it much > Is there anything else in RH7 that they changed? (worth noting) The location of the docs... now /usr/share/doc rather than /usr/doc. > Hurray for including OpenSSH. Now if they would only disable the > services that aren't needed. (finger, telnet, rservices) Indeed... and in fact doing that is more obscure than it was, given this new xinetd config. Andy > Clay --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chuck at milams.net Thu Sep 28 10:22:34 2000 From: chuck at milams.net (Chuck Milam) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21783] RH 7 - xinetd In-Reply-To: <970153325.39d35d6db4ab4@www.fandre.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 28 Sep 2000, Clay Fandre wrote: > So what's the deal with xinetd? I've never run it so I don't really > know too much about it. From what I read about it it's suppose to be > more secure. Anyone have any opinion on it? The only problem I'm having with xinted so far is getting Amanda restores (amidxtaped and amandidxd (sp?)) working...I'll figure it out in the next day or so... > Is there anything else in RH7 that they changed? (worth noting) Hurray for > including OpenSSH. Oh wow. That's cool. I didn't even notice that OpenSSH was an option. I'll be darned. One less thing I have to download and install to make a new box usable. (It's about time!) -- Chuck Milam chuck@milams.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From clay at fandre.com Thu Sep 28 10:37:28 2000 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21786] Resize NTFS Message-ID: <970155448.39d365b8ef436@www.fandre.com> Are there any free tools to resize an NTFS partition? Is Partition Tragic any better at doing it? (version 4.0 didn't work so well for me.) Or does anyone have a suggestion on how to backup and restore an NTFS partition? (Either through NT or Linux) I have an NTFS partition taking up the entire disk and I want to load Linux. BTW: I need NT for business purposes, so blowing away the NTFS partition is NOT an option. (Although I would love to do it.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Thu Sep 28 10:36:41 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21787] OpenLDAP Coolness Message-ID: <39D36589.671CDD27@ltiflex.com> Well, I have Netscape Roaming working in OpenLDAP. Kinda neat. What's really nice is that Netscape and Nextor's LDAP Address book for Outlook support ou's (Orgizantional Units) nicely. With both, just leave out the ou part and all the addresses in every ou will be in your address book. Netscape doesn't do any sorting though. Nextor's address book displays each ou as a different list of cantacts. Slick. Just thought I'd share. =) Now if only the clients supported adding entries to the directory (well, into special ou's) I'd be a really happy camper... -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From natecars at real-time.com Thu Sep 28 10:58:34 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21788] Windows clients with good LDAP address books? [Was: OpenLDAP Coolness] In-Reply-To: <39D36589.671CDD27@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 28 Sep 2000, Andy Zbikowski wrote: > Well, I have Netscape Roaming working in OpenLDAP. Kinda neat. > > What's really nice is that Netscape and Nextor's LDAP Address book for > Outlook support ou's (Orgizantional Units) nicely. With both, just leave out > the ou part and all the addresses in every ou will be in your address book. > Netscape doesn't do any sorting though. Nextor's address book displays each > ou as a different list of cantacts. Slick. > > Just thought I'd share. =) > > Now if only the clients supported adding entries to the directory (well, > into special ou's) I'd be a really happy camper... On a slightly related tangent, has anyone seen something like Mexor Messageware for other e-mail clients for Windoze? (Eudora/OE would be nice).. we've got a large client who wants to deploy an LDAP address book, and wants it to be a _real_ address book (eg, not the thing built into Eudora/OE/Outlook where you have to do a search).. and it'd be nice if we didn't have them to deploy Outlook around the world. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Sep 28 11:06:44 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21751] RH-7.0 installation blunder In-Reply-To: <200009280329.WAA06453@zjod.net> Message-ID: Hi, On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, Steve Siegfried wrote: > Seemingly out of the blue, RedHat's wizzbang installer then figures out that I > don't have enough disk space. I sent the exact same email (well, same problem anyway) a few days ago. Same thing happened to me. Twice. So I put QNX on my box instead, but that #$%^ wouldn't let me set the refresh rate to anything other than 60Hz, so I tried Red Hat again and it worked. My 'advice' is to save the dump to a floppy (which RH will prompt you to do) and send it to them. -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Sep 28 11:07:54 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21748] FTP (ipchains?) problem In-Reply-To: <20000927230507.G2821@wookimus.net> Message-ID: Hi, On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, ^chewie wrote: > Use ncftp. Enable the option "passive". Insmod "ip_masq_ftp.o". Download > files. Don't want to use ncftp. I don't like ncftp. I use lftp or plain vanilla ftp. I'll try looking for modules. -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Sep 28 11:17:31 2000 From: chewie at wookimus.net (^chewie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21791] RH v.s. Debian: A bit of oil on the waters, perhaps? Message-ID: <20000928111731.A23309@wookimus.net> All personal advocacy aside, we need to remember that TCLUG is the Twin Cities Linux Users' Group. As such, we have members from all corners of the distribution world. Unless you roll-you-own, you're probably using one distribution or another. Given that observation, we should commit ourselves to quelling the typical distribution-specif advocacy we would normally see on comp.os.linux..advocacy. By typical, I do not mean advocacy in the manner laid out by official distribution policy or constitution, but advocacy that you see from the everyday, average distribution enthusiast. Committing the TCLUG environment to this tenant wouldn't be too difficult, and it may promote a more constructive forum on the list... I'm not trying to change any personal philosophies here; just trying to pour a little oil on our apparently troubled waters. -- Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom http://wookimus.net/chewie -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'll try looking for modules. Blah. You understood what I was getting at. ;-) Use passive ftp mode in whatever client you want. Just make sure you've either loaded the ip_masq_ftp.o module into the kernel, or that you've compiled it monolithically into the kernel. If you don't have either, you can manually add entries to the 'ipmasqadm autofw' table to auto-forward passive/active requests across your firewall. Look into the documentation on IPCHAINS-HOWTO [1], IP-Masquerade-HOWTO [2], the docs that came with ipmasqadm [3], and perhaps the ipmasqadm developer's website [4]. Of course, this is all going to change when Linux moves to IPTABLES and true NAT. (*Woohoo!*) Tchuss! ^chewie REFERENCES: [1] http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/IPCHAINS-HOWTO.html [2] http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO.html [3] See man ipmasqadm, ipmasqadm portfw -h, and /usr/[share/]doc/ipmasqadm [4] http://juanjox.kernelnotes.org/ -- Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom http://wookimus.net/chewie -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 233 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20000928/b33a6070/attachment.pgp -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andy at theasis.com Thu Sep 28 11:48:21 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21791] RH v.s. Debian: A bit of oil on the waters, perhaps? In-Reply-To: <20000928111731.A23309@wookimus.net> Message-ID: > All personal advocacy aside, we need to remember that TCLUG is the > Twin Cities Linux Users' Group. As such, we have members from all > corners of the distribution world. Unless you roll-you-own, you're > probably using one distribution or another. Given that observation, > we should commit ourselves to quelling the typical distribution-specif > advocacy we would normally see on comp.os.linux..advocacy. By > typical, I do not mean advocacy in the manner laid out by official > distribution policy or constitution, but advocacy that you see from > the everyday, average distribution enthusiast. Advocacy is informative, if that's actually what you're doing -- i.e., pointing out some of the strengths of a particular distribution. This even entails a comparative approach. That's fine as long as it sticks to *technical* points of distinction. Such discussions are educational to new users, as well as useful to more seasoned users when switching distributions could be potentially very costly (in terms of time, which _is_ money after all). But the benefit of such discussions is completely nullified if it turns from advocacy to eulogizing or vituperation, which then turns into rancor. This is merely my opinion, of course. In short, flamewars are often enough sparked by flamebait and most of us are capable of recognizing when we're producing that, or not reacting to it in the most positive fashion. > Committing the TCLUG environment to this tenant wouldn't be too > difficult, and it may promote a more constructive forum on the list... I'm all for that. > I'm not trying to change any personal philosophies here; just trying > to pour a little oil on our apparently troubled waters. IMO, once again, it all comes down to whether each person is inclined towards a default policy of treating respectfully the other members of the community. Andy --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From sos at zjod.net Thu Sep 28 13:13:57 2000 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21751] RH-7.0 installation blunder In-Reply-To: from "Yaron" at Sep 28, 2000 11:06:44 AM Message-ID: <200009281813.NAA08436@zjod.net> Yaron wrote: > > > Seemingly out of the blue, RedHat's wizzbang installer then figures out that I > > don't have enough disk space. > > I sent the exact same email (well, same problem anyway) a few days > ago. Same thing happened to me. Twice. So I put QNX on my box instead, but > that #$%^ wouldn't let me set the refresh rate to anything other than > 60Hz, so I tried Red Hat again and it worked. > > My 'advice' is to save the dump to a floppy (which RH will prompt you to > do) and send it to them. I would do exactly that if I had bought support. I didn't... I downloaded RH7.0 from ftp.mn-linux.org. -S --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Sep 28 13:38:54 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21751] RH-7.0 installation blunder In-Reply-To: <200009281813.NAA08436@zjod.net> Message-ID: Hi, On Thu, 28 Sep 2000, Steve Siegfried wrote: > > My 'advice' is to save the dump to a floppy (which RH will prompt you to > > do) and send it to them. > I would do exactly that if I had bought support. I didn't... I > downloaded RH7.0 from ftp.mn-linux.org. So did I (and apparently many others). I'm not saying you should mail it to them for support, but more so they know it's happening. It _is_ a bug in their software, after all. -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lxy at popmail.com Thu Sep 28 13:47:13 2000 From: lxy at popmail.com (lxy@popmail.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21751] RH-7.0 installation blunder Message-ID: > > > My 'advice' is to save the dump to a floppy (which RH will prompt you to > > > do) and send it to them. > > I would do exactly that if I had bought support. I didn't... I > > downloaded RH7.0 from ftp.mn-linux.org. > > So did I (and apparently many others). I'm not saying you should mail it > to them for support, but more so they know it's happening. It _is_ a bug > in their software, after all. Is the RH7.0 installer open source? If you were feeling creative you could try playing with the install options in the source. .................................... Get your own free email account from http://www.popmail.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From pope at ossuary.net Thu Sep 28 13:55:20 2000 From: pope at ossuary.net (Scott) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21751] RH-7.0 installation blunder In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 28 Sep 2000, Yaron wrote: > So did I (and apparently many others). I'm not saying you should mail it > to them for support, but more so they know it's happening. It _is_ a bug > in their software, after all. If we want Linux to be taken seriously by the masses we can't afford to have you referring to features as bugs. Scott -- ossuary.net -- "Only dead girls like me." -Voltaire --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Thu Sep 28 13:57:01 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21751] RH-7.0 installation blunder References: <200009280329.WAA06453@zjod.net> Message-ID: <39D3947D.A90F6AAF@ltiflex.com> > Couldn't RedHat's paragon of leading-edge installation software technology > have told me that I didn't have enough disk space _BEORE_ it formatted my > disks? Hmmm, I don't remember Red Hat EVER checking to see if you had enough hard drive space. Granted, the last version of Red Hat I ran was 5.2, and cramming a that on a 150mb HD is interesting. Debian fits much nicer, mainly because you can be more selective with inital packages. If I'm wrong and a version of the Red Hat installer does check hard drive space, enlighten me, but do it kindly. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Thu Sep 28 15:01:32 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21751] RH-7.0 installation blunder References: <20000927235320.D24132@ares.usinternet.com> <20000928001415.A24311@ares.usinternet.com> <39D335BC.86DF263A@uswest.net> <20000928082151.B26439@ares.usinternet.com> Message-ID: <39D3A39C.960C44BA@ltiflex.com> Ben Lutgens wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 28, 2000 at 07:12:45AM -0500, Nick B wrote: > >Also Ben... I updated my Redhat free. What are you talking about??? > > > Thier crazy online update scheme. Not sure of the details but it looks like > it's a subscription service. I hope they use the cash to buy more mirriors or > add some machines to the ftp server farm. priority.redhat.com or whatever? In theory it's supposed to be fast, because you shell out money to get priority over the leaches. From a stability standpoint, I'd rather wait until a hot new release cooled before putting it on a server (then again, I should probally wait for Win2K service pack ten, but I'm not, we'll just ignore that fact.) There are pleny of others out there hot for the new release, let them figure out the issues of upgrading. ;) In that respect the priority thing makes no sence at all, since by the time you want to install it the free mirrors will be updated and not suffering a /. like effect. On the other hand, there are people out there who may want the latest and greatest software on their workstation yesterday, and if they're willing to pay for it, go Red Hat. Way to make a buck by exploiting the impatient public. Seems like Red Hat itself has become infected with the RedHat == Linux, Linux == Red Hat syndrome, and is spreading it to new linux users, application developers, commercial developers, etc. Fortunatly this crowd recovers for that syndrome faster than Red Hat, who is trapped in a loop. Red Hat is definitly the distro of choice for windows converts, and the distro definitly reflects that. (Remember AnotherLevel?) Some parts of that are good, some aren't, most flucate inbetween. In the end they come up with a decent workstation whos packages managment works about as well as Windows. (if you go from the angle that rpm is equivlent to the Add or Remove Programs thingy) Kay...enough from me. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From sos at zjod.net Thu Sep 28 16:05:58 2000 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21751] RH-7.0 installation blunder In-Reply-To: <39D3947D.A90F6AAF@ltiflex.com> from "Andy Zbikowski" at Sep 28, 2000 01:57:01 PM Message-ID: <200009282105.QAA14868@zjod.net> Andy Zbikowski wrote: > > Couldn't RedHat's paragon of leading-edge installation software technology > > have told me that I didn't have enough disk space _BEORE_ it formatted my > > disks? > > Hmmm, I don't remember Red Hat EVER checking to see if you had enough hard > drive space. Granted, the last version of Red Hat I ran was 5.2, and > cramming a that on a 150mb HD is interesting. Debian fits much nicer, mainly > because you can be more selective with inital packages. If I'm wrong and a > version of the Red Hat installer does check hard drive space, enlighten me, > but do it kindly. Yes, RH-installer has checked to see if you have enough space since somewhere around 5.0 (6.0?), but as far as I can tell, only for initial installs, not upgrades (which is a harder problem). I was doing an initial when I hit the problem. -S --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From nbetcher at uswest.net Thu Sep 28 15:05:48 2000 From: nbetcher at uswest.net (Nick B) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21751] RH-7.0 installation blunder References: <20000927235320.D24132@ares.usinternet.com> <20000928001415.A24311@ares.usinternet.com> <39D33549.4250E398@uswest.net> <20000928082016.A26439@ares.usinternet.com> Message-ID: <39D3A49C.D2B66111@uswest.net> Heh, Ben... you picked my every word apart. I don't flame people... I try to make people understand the enevidable. I dont have a problem with you using Debian. And also, you need to understand my over all picture: A commercial company can do only so good, and Redhat is the best company I can think of to-date. You should be happy that the biggest distro (in the US) is Redhat and not some ass of a company like Microsoft. Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Thu, Sep 28, 2000 at 07:10:49AM -0500, Nick B wrote: > >Ben, > > Irrationality isn't going to get the linux community anywhere. The only way > >Linux can succeed in the world and attempt to compete with Microsoft Windows on all > >scales (including gaming) is if a commercial company behind it. > > > > Um, I was having a perfectly calm discussion. So I think RedHat sucks. What do > you care? Thier distro sucks, and I think they suck as a company. Do I think > the community needs them? Sure. But they still stuck. > > > Redhat has put a lot of time into this distribution, > > Not nearly enough, thier package managment needs work. I'd like to know how > many people they have workign on ALL those packages. > > >and I know that for a fact. > >What I also know, is that Redhat cares a lot about the consumers. You may ask: "Well > >how does he know this?". Well I know a few people who work there and I'm in constant > >contact with them. > > How nice. > > >Sometimes this stuff happens. Don't blame it on the company for > >not caring... that is just being ignorant. > > Now this was total flame bait. You obviously have nothing better to do. > > >I downloaded Redhat 7.0 myself, burned > >it, and installed it without any glitches. Also... did you think that this person > >might have said: "Scan for bad blocks" when formatting his drive > > If they picked format at all the data is gone. Scanning for bad blocks isn't > going to affect anything. And I said in my email we don't exactly know what > happened. I also said that I was going to do a couple installs and post my > results. Maybe you should read a little more before you start to flame. And > for suture reference, should you feel like flaming me, don't. Cause you have > been added to the "once list" a handly little list I have of all the people I > choose not to read thier posts as they seem like flamewar to me. > > >and ended up > >loosing the space he thought he had free? I know on my laptop it told me I didn't > >have enough space free right away, so I fixed that and started the install :) > > > > Good for you. > > > Don't blame it on the company for being a huge commercial business. > > The bigger they are, the more they suck. It's inevitable. And if you think > otherwise, you are the "ignorant" person. Smaller companies are more personal, > efficient, and have more soul. (read: USWest) > > >The people I > >have contact with tell me that Redhat is NOT at all like Microsoft in any way. > > I never said they were. > > >The > >people there are nice, caring people who just want the best. Also, lets face > >it....Microsoft didn't get to where they are now because they had good OS's... its > >because they are a commercial company like Redhat that can consult for businesses > >and solve their problems with the OS's solutions. > > You think they did it through quality consulting? HAHAHA You are naive. > > >Just get use to Redhat, > Why? Are you saying we all have no alternative? I don't have to use any dist > if I don't want to, hell I can roll my own or use debian. We all know that > will remain free. > > >don't > >fight them, because then you are just helping Microsoft. > > Well thank you Eric S. Raymond. > > -- > Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 > > Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From nbetcher at uswest.net Thu Sep 28 15:18:38 2000 From: nbetcher at uswest.net (Nick B) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21791] RH v.s. Debian: A bit of oil on the waters, perhaps? References: Message-ID: <39D3A79E.4E0BF29B@uswest.net> Everyone has their own opinion of what distro is better. I think for Linux to suceed, Redhat or not, Linux users (Debian included!) shouldn't flame on Redhat or other companies just because they don't like them. I havn't made a post yet that suggests I hate Debian or some other distribution. What I see happening in the near future is the fact that you have all these distros, but there isnt one GREAT distro of all. You have tons of satisfied people with Redhat, Debian, Mandrake, Slackware, and more. the problem is, is that Linux isnt going to take off because you have other Linux users complaining about the fact that one distro has problems and that they should use a better one (The one the complainer is using). So... what you have in the long run is the fact that no one can make up their damned minds which one will be the one to take off. So, what do you guys think is the solution? --Nick Betcher P.S.) Dont say I flame because this isnt a flame, nor have I flamed in the past. I just try to make people face the inevitable. Have fun with this! andy@theasis.com wrote: > > All personal advocacy aside, we need to remember that TCLUG is the > > Twin Cities Linux Users' Group. As such, we have members from all > > corners of the distribution world. Unless you roll-you-own, you're > > probably using one distribution or another. Given that observation, > > we should commit ourselves to quelling the typical distribution-specif > > advocacy we would normally see on comp.os.linux..advocacy. By > > typical, I do not mean advocacy in the manner laid out by official > > distribution policy or constitution, but advocacy that you see from > > the everyday, average distribution enthusiast. > > Advocacy is informative, if that's actually what you're doing -- i.e., > pointing out some of the strengths of a particular distribution. This even > entails a comparative approach. That's fine as long as it sticks to > *technical* points of distinction. Such discussions are educational to new > users, as well as useful to more seasoned users when switching > distributions could be potentially very costly (in terms of time, which > _is_ money after all). > > But the benefit of such discussions is completely nullified if it turns > from advocacy to eulogizing or vituperation, which then turns into rancor. > This is merely my opinion, of course. > > In short, flamewars are often enough sparked by flamebait and most of us > are capable of recognizing when we're producing that, or not reacting to > it in the most positive fashion. > > > Committing the TCLUG environment to this tenant wouldn't be too > > difficult, and it may promote a more constructive forum on the list... > > I'm all for that. > > > I'm not trying to change any personal philosophies here; just trying > > to pour a little oil on our apparently troubled waters. > > IMO, once again, it all comes down to whether each person is inclined > towards a default policy of treating respectfully the other members of the > community. > > Andy > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Thu Sep 28 17:39:10 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21791] RH v.s. Debian: A bit of oil on the waters, perhaps? In-Reply-To: <39D3A79E.4E0BF29B@uswest.net> Message-ID: I don't know that this is a problem. Think of Linux as the computer system industry (Compaq, Dell, Gateway, etc). All the seasoned geeks have an opinion, some will tell you that this name-brand is good, others will tell you something different. Did that hinder the PC market? I'm glad that there are different distributions. With a free product they can't compete on price, so they have to compete on the things that matter, like UI, features, functionality, etc. Having one "best" distribution would be good at first, but after slack, deb, redhat, etc are all gone then the maintainers of "Good Linux" lose a lot of their motivation. Look at Windows, obviously having only one "distribution" of windows has hindered Microsoft's motivation to make it outstanding to compete with someone else's version of Windows. Imagine if another company offered a version of Windows (think - OS/2 but Win32 compatible) besides Microsoft. Maybe Big-Bill would have a reason to make Windows better, rather than just more expensive. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Thu, 28 Sep 2000, Nick B wrote: > Everyone has their own opinion of what distro is better. I think for Linux > to suceed, Redhat or not, Linux users (Debian included!) shouldn't flame on > Redhat or other companies just because they don't like them. I havn't made a > post yet that suggests I hate Debian or some other distribution. > What I see happening in the near future is the fact that you have all > these distros, but there isnt one GREAT distro of all. You have tons of > satisfied people with Redhat, Debian, Mandrake, Slackware, and more. the > problem is, is that Linux isnt going to take off because you have other Linux > users complaining about the fact that one distro has problems and that they > should use a better one (The one the complainer is using). So... what you have > in the long run is the fact that no one can make up their damned minds which > one will be the one to take off. > So, what do you guys think is the solution? > > --Nick Betcher > > P.S.) Dont say I flame because this isnt a flame, nor have I flamed in the > past. I just try to make people face the inevitable. Have fun with this! > > andy@theasis.com wrote: > > > > All personal advocacy aside, we need to remember that TCLUG is the > > > Twin Cities Linux Users' Group. As such, we have members from all > > > corners of the distribution world. Unless you roll-you-own, you're > > > probably using one distribution or another. Given that observation, > > > we should commit ourselves to quelling the typical distribution-specif > > > advocacy we would normally see on comp.os.linux..advocacy. By > > > typical, I do not mean advocacy in the manner laid out by official > > > distribution policy or constitution, but advocacy that you see from > > > the everyday, average distribution enthusiast. > > > > Advocacy is informative, if that's actually what you're doing -- i.e., > > pointing out some of the strengths of a particular distribution. This even > > entails a comparative approach. That's fine as long as it sticks to > > *technical* points of distinction. Such discussions are educational to new > > users, as well as useful to more seasoned users when switching > > distributions could be potentially very costly (in terms of time, which > > _is_ money after all). > > > > But the benefit of such discussions is completely nullified if it turns > > from advocacy to eulogizing or vituperation, which then turns into rancor. > > This is merely my opinion, of course. > > > > In short, flamewars are often enough sparked by flamebait and most of us > > are capable of recognizing when we're producing that, or not reacting to > > it in the most positive fashion. > > > > > Committing the TCLUG environment to this tenant wouldn't be too > > > difficult, and it may promote a more constructive forum on the list... > > > > I'm all for that. > > > > > I'm not trying to change any personal philosophies here; just trying > > > to pour a little oil on our apparently troubled waters. > > > > IMO, once again, it all comes down to whether each person is inclined > > towards a default policy of treating respectfully the other members of the > > community. > > > > Andy > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jack at jacku.com Thu Sep 28 20:57:42 2000 From: jack at jacku.com (jack@jacku.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21791] RH v.s. Debian: A bit of oil on the waters, perhaps? Message-ID: <20000929015742.7777.cpmta@c017.sfo.cp.net> Good points. I've installed several of the major distros. When I was teaching in Duluth I had a lab with 10 systems and 4 different distros. (I had wanted to use 5 but couldn't get one, Debian or Slack, to configure with the antique VLB cards and monitors we had.) For my own use I've settled into using SuSE but have used Caldera, Debian, and a couple of the small obscure ones on a test system just to see what they are like. The analogy to the PC Hardware market is a good one. It extends somewhat to cars as well. We all develop a "brand loyalty" for different reasons. My reason for using SuSE is I like YAST a lot. I know other people who just hate it. I think the discussions about distros and why we choose the ones we do are a service to new members of the community that are trying to decide which distro to install. I usually suggest to people in that position that they order one of the "variety packs" from LSL or LinuxCentral and try them all to see which one "fits" best. My .02 (or a little more :-) Jack On Thu, 28 September 2000, Adam Maloney wrote: > > I don't know that this is a problem. Think of Linux as the computer > system industry (Compaq, Dell, Gateway, etc). All the seasoned geeks have > an opinion, some will tell you that this name-brand is good, others will > tell you something different. Did that hinder the PC market? > > I'm glad that there are different distributions. With a free product they > can't compete on price, so they have to compete on the things that matter, > like UI, features, functionality, etc. Having one "best" distribution > would be good at first, but after slack, deb, redhat, etc are all gone > then the maintainers of "Good Linux" lose a lot of their motivation. > > Look at Windows, obviously having only one "distribution" of windows has > hindered Microsoft's motivation to make it outstanding to compete with > someone else's version of Windows. Imagine if another company offered a > version of Windows (think - OS/2 but Win32 compatible) besides Microsoft. > Maybe Big-Bill would have a reason to make Windows better, rather than > just more expensive. > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > On Thu, 28 Sep 2000, Nick B wrote: > > > Everyone has their own opinion of what distro is better. I think for Linux > > to suceed, Redhat or not, Linux users (Debian included!) shouldn't flame on > > Redhat or other companies just because they don't like them. I havn't made a > > post yet that suggests I hate Debian or some other distribution. > > What I see happening in the near future is the fact that you have all > > these distros, but there isnt one GREAT distro of all. You have tons of > > satisfied people with Redhat, Debian, Mandrake, Slackware, and more. the > > problem is, is that Linux isnt going to take off because you have other Linux > > users complaining about the fact that one distro has problems and that they > > should use a better one (The one the complainer is using). So... what you have > > in the long run is the fact that no one can make up their damned minds which > > one will be the one to take off. > > So, what do you guys think is the solution? > > > > --Nick Betcher > > > > P.S.) Dont say I flame because this isnt a flame, nor have I flamed in the > > past. I just try to make people face the inevitable. Have fun with this! > > > > andy@theasis.com wrote: > > > > > > All personal advocacy aside, we need to remember that TCLUG is the > > > > Twin Cities Linux Users' Group. As such, we have members from all > > > > corners of the distribution world. Unless you roll-you-own, you're > > > > probably using one distribution or another. Given that observation, > > > > we should commit ourselves to quelling the typical distribution-specif > > > > advocacy we would normally see on comp.os.linux..advocacy. By > > > > typical, I do not mean advocacy in the manner laid out by official > > > > distribution policy or constitution, but advocacy that you see from > > > > the everyday, average distribution enthusiast. > > > > > > Advocacy is informative, if that's actually what you're doing -- i.e., > > > pointing out some of the strengths of a particular distribution. This even > > > entails a comparative approach. That's fine as long as it sticks to > > > *technical* points of distinction. Such discussions are educational to new > > > users, as well as useful to more seasoned users when switching > > > distributions could be potentially very costly (in terms of time, which > > > _is_ money after all). > > > > > > But the benefit of such discussions is completely nullified if it turns > > > from advocacy to eulogizing or vituperation, which then turns into rancor. > > > This is merely my opinion, of course. > > > > > > In short, flamewars are often enough sparked by flamebait and most of us > > > are capable of recognizing when we're producing that, or not reacting to > > > it in the most positive fashion. > > > > > > > Committing the TCLUG environment to this tenant wouldn't be too > > > > difficult, and it may promote a more constructive forum on the list... > > > > > > I'm all for that. > > > > > > > I'm not trying to change any personal philosophies here; just trying > > > > to pour a little oil on our apparently troubled waters. > > > > > > IMO, once again, it all comes down to whether each person is inclined > > > towards a default policy of treating respectfully the other members of the > > > community. > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org Jack Ungerleider - The Ungerleider Group Creative Solutions for Cooperative Computing jack@jacku.com www.jacku.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at usinternet.com Thu Sep 28 23:16:13 2000 From: blutgens at usinternet.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21783] RH 7 - xinetd In-Reply-To: <970153325.39d35d6db4ab4@www.fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Thu, Sep 28, 2000 at 10:02:05AM -0500 References: <970153325.39d35d6db4ab4@www.fandre.com> Message-ID: <20000928231613.A2397@ares.usinternet.com> On Thu, Sep 28, 2000 at 10:02:05AM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: >So I upgraded my 6.2 box last night to RH7. It actually went really well with >no problems. Terrific! > >So what's the deal with xinetd? I've never run it so I don't really know too >much about it. From what I read about it it's suppose to be more secure. Anyone >have any opinion on it? Are any other distros using it? > >Is there anything else in RH7 that they changed? (worth noting) Hurray for >including OpenSSH. Now if they would only disable the services that aren't >needed. (finger, telnet, rservices) I would have to agree, at least it should be an option to the install. RH kinda does it now with the "Services" selection to setup, but it could be more indepth. -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at usinternet.com Thu Sep 28 23:20:13 2000 From: blutgens at usinternet.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21748] FTP (ipchains?) problem In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Thu, Sep 28, 2000 at 11:07:54AM -0500 References: <20000927230507.G2821@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20000928232013.B2397@ares.usinternet.com> On Thu, Sep 28, 2000 at 11:07:54AM -0500, Yaron wrote: > >Don't want to use ncftp. I don't like ncftp. I use lftp or plain vanilla >ftp. I'll try looking for modules. > How can you not like ncftp? The completion works better, the wildcards work better, bookmark support.... Maybe you u sed the visual flavor (where you arrow between dirs kinda like the way Pine traverses directories) there are different versions that are more command-line-ish like lftp or ftp. Just a thought. -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at usinternet.com Thu Sep 28 23:28:22 2000 From: blutgens at usinternet.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21751] RH-7.0 installation blunder In-Reply-To: <39D3A49C.D2B66111@uswest.net>; from nbetcher@uswest.net on Thu, Sep 28, 2000 at 03:05:48PM -0500 References: <20000927235320.D24132@ares.usinternet.com> <20000928001415.A24311@ares.usinternet.com> <39D33549.4250E398@uswest.net> <20000928082016.A26439@ares.usinternet.com> <39D3A49C.D2B66111@uswest.net> Message-ID: <20000928232822.C2397@ares.usinternet.com> On Thu, Sep 28, 2000 at 03:05:48PM -0500, Nick B wrote: >distro (in the US) is Redhat and not some ass of a company like Microsoft. There is that...... I did say that RedHat is good for the community. But I also think they do some stupid shit, like skipping a distro that's broken and seemingly untested in certain respects. All the flack Debian gets for taking so long in their releases really asses me up as it's pretty rare to see a massive influx of complaints like this (bug related not install difficulty or adjustment syndrome) comming from someone installing the latest Debian stable release. Much more thorogh testing. -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at usinternet.com Thu Sep 28 23:30:50 2000 From: blutgens at usinternet.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21791] RH v.s. Debian: A bit of oil on the waters, perhaps? In-Reply-To: <20000928111731.A23309@wookimus.net>; from chewie@wookimus.net on Thu, Sep 28, 2000 at 11:17:31AM -0500 References: <20000928111731.A23309@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20000928233050.D2397@ares.usinternet.com> On Thu, Sep 28, 2000 at 11:17:31AM -0500, ^chewie wrote: > >I'm not trying to change any personal philosophies here; just trying >to pour a little oil on our apparently troubled waters. > Good point, and well met. Have I mentioned that emacs sucks lately? :-) -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Thu Sep 28 23:35:15 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:21809] Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21751] RH-7.0 installation blunder In-Reply-To: <20000928232822.C2397@ares.usinternet.com>; from blutgens@usinternet.com on Thu, Sep 28, 2000 at 11:28:22PM -0500 References: <20000927235320.D24132@ares.usinternet.com> <20000928001415.A24311@ares.usinternet.com> <39D33549.4250E398@uswest.net> <20000928082016.A26439@ares.usinternet.com> <39D3A49C.D2B66111@uswest.net> <20000928232822.C2397@ares.usinternet.com> Message-ID: <20000928233515.K15544@real-time.com> Quoting Ben Lutgens (blutgens@usinternet.com): > On Thu, Sep 28, 2000 at 03:05:48PM -0500, Nick B wrote: > >distro (in the US) is Redhat and not some ass of a company like Microsoft. > There is that...... > > I did say that RedHat is good for the community. But I also think they do some > stupid shit, like skipping a distro that's broken and seemingly untested in > certain respects. All the flack Debian gets for taking so long in their > releases really asses me up as it's pretty rare to see a massive influx of > complaints like this (bug related not install difficulty or adjustment > syndrome) comming from someone installing the latest Debian stable release. > > Much more thorogh testing. > This is what happens with market driven companies. Sales/Marketing start to call the shots on deliverables. This is one of the reasons I started Real Time. I got so tired of sales-droids tell ME when the product/module/deliverable/bug fix/enchancement/../../../.. needed to ship. I will ship no code before it's time. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at usinternet.com Thu Sep 28 23:36:27 2000 From: blutgens at usinternet.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21791] RH v.s. Debian: A bit of oil on the waters, perhaps? In-Reply-To: <39D3A79E.4E0BF29B@uswest.net>; from nbetcher@uswest.net on Thu, Sep 28, 2000 at 03:18:38PM -0500 References: <39D3A79E.4E0BF29B@uswest.net> Message-ID: <20000928233627.E2397@ares.usinternet.com> On Thu, Sep 28, 2000 at 03:18:38PM -0500, Nick B wrote: > So, what do you guys think is the solution? > First off there is a fine line between flame bait and expression of ones opinion. Learn to recognize what you see is the difference and act accordingly. The bottom line is if you don't like what people say, ignore them. If they seem unreasonable, don't waste your time responding to them. But a discussion between fellow enthusiasts over which distro they like best and why they think distro "A" sucks is hardly a flame war. Usually flame wars are when people are deliberately degrading one another. But saying "RedHat Sucks" that nets the response "No Debian sucks" isn't a flamewar unless you add in a "You are such a moron! ed is the only editor and if you don't use it, you are a blight on society" Try not to jump on the "flame bait" bandwagon. -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at usinternet.com Thu Sep 28 23:42:11 2000 From: blutgens at usinternet.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG:21809] Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21751] RH-7.0 installation blunder In-Reply-To: <20000928233515.K15544@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Thu, Sep 28, 2000 at 11:35:15PM -0500 References: <20000927235320.D24132@ares.usinternet.com> <20000928001415.A24311@ares.usinternet.com> <39D33549.4250E398@uswest.net> <20000928082016.A26439@ares.usinternet.com> <39D3A49C.D2B66111@uswest.net> <20000928232822.C2397@ares.usinternet.com> <20000928233515.K15544@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20000928234211.F2397@ares.usinternet.com> On Thu, Sep 28, 2000 at 11:35:15PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > >This is one of the reasons I started Real Time. I got so tired of sales-droids >tell ME when the product/module/deliverable/bug fix/enchancement/../../../. >needed to ship. > I hate sales-droids! I get to deal with thier empty promises and poor products daily. I am getting to the point where I am going to start conversations like a co-worker often does: "We want some of to test on a no cost P.O. If it doesn't suck, you'll get our blessing and massive amounts of case as we buy more. If it barfs shit, we are going to tell all of our business partners that you equipment sucks, then use vendor instead" Sorry had to vent. Vendors suck. (Sometimes you get great ones! But they are few and far between) Moral of the story? Train your sales force ont he stuff they are selling. He/She should damn well be able to answer questions you may have inteligently or at least know where to get the answers. -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Thu Sep 28 23:44:52 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21812] Ben is an idiot In-Reply-To: <20000928233627.E2397@ares.usinternet.com>; from blutgens@usinternet.com on Thu, Sep 28, 2000 at 11:36:27PM -0500 References: <39D3A79E.4E0BF29B@uswest.net> <20000928233627.E2397@ares.usinternet.com> Message-ID: <20000928234452.L15544@real-time.com> Quoting Ben Lutgens (blutgens@usinternet.com): > Try not to jump on the "flame bait" bandwagon. Ben is an idiot. :-P Come join the ben-is-an-idiot-bandwagon! Free Mt. Dew to members who sign-up tonight! :-) -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blutgens at usinternet.com Thu Sep 28 23:47:43 2000 From: blutgens at usinternet.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21812] Ben is an idiot In-Reply-To: <20000928234452.L15544@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Thu, Sep 28, 2000 at 11:44:52PM -0500 References: <39D3A79E.4E0BF29B@uswest.net> <20000928233627.E2397@ares.usinternet.com> <20000928234452.L15544@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20000928234743.H2397@ares.usinternet.com> On Thu, Sep 28, 2000 at 11:44:52PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: >Quoting Ben Lutgens (blutgens@usinternet.com): >> Try not to jump on the "flame bait" bandwagon. > >Ben is an idiot. :-P HAHAHAHHAHAHA Go home Bob! You work to damn much! > >Come join the ben-is-an-idiot-bandwagon! Free Mt. Dew to members who sign-up >tonight! > Kick ass, can I get some of that too? I want a ben-is-an-idiot t-shirt! Can I get a discount if I sign up for DSL from real-time? -- Ben Lutgens Cell: 651.387.9065 Home: 651.703.9541 Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (T)hrowup -------------------------------------------------------------------------------? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Fri Sep 29 00:20:18 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21748] FTP (ipchains?) problem In-Reply-To: <20000928232013.B2397@ares.usinternet.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Thu, 28 Sep 2000, Ben Lutgens wrote: > How can you not like ncftp? The completion works better, the wildcards work > better, bookmark support.... It's the bookmark support. Can't stand that. Also lftp is a LOT faster and leaner. And I got used to typing "lftp ftp.us.kernel.org:/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/" which ncftp doesn't like (it needs 'real' URLs). > Maybe you u sed the visual flavor I did try that for a while, it was even MORE annoying (; Granted, I haven't really made an effort to change back to ncftp since I found lftp a few years ago. -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Fri Sep 29 03:33:32 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21815] www.enhydra.org? Message-ID: <20000929033332.A25190@real-time.com> Is www.enhydra.org not resolving for anyone else? Going to www.lutris.com, you get a contiguous data stream that never stops. It's kinda cool. :-) This is the best domain hijacking I have seen. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Fri Sep 29 07:02:05 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21748] FTP (ipchains?) problem In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Fri, Sep 29, 2000 at 12:20:18AM -0500 References: <20000928232013.B2397@ares.usinternet.com> Message-ID: <20000929070205.B56057@sorry.cs.umn.edu> > > It's the bookmark support. Can't stand that. Also lftp is a LOT faster and > leaner. And I got used to typing "lftp > ftp.us.kernel.org:/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/" which ncftp doesn't like (it > needs 'real' URLs). > Yeah, that whole prompting if you want to save a bookmark in version 3 is a-n-n-o-y-i-n-g! That's why I either use version 2 or just add autosave-bookmark-changes=yes to my .ncftp/prefs file. I like the bookmarks (especially helpful for ftp sites you visit frequently), but I'd just as soon have the thing auto-save them and not ask me. Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu Sven: "Oooohh... What's that!?" Stimpy: "Oh, that's just my brain. It's always falling out..." Sven: "It's so big!" -Sven Hoek & Stimpson J. Cat in "Sven Hoek" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Fri Sep 29 08:27:53 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21791] RH v.s. Debian: A bit of oil on the waters, perhaps? References: <39D3A79E.4E0BF29B@uswest.net> Message-ID: <008701c02a19$12a02cd0$ff01060a@metamoris.com> Everyone should make the attempt to roll their own distribution. I recommend using http://www.linuxfromscratch.org as a good starting place :). Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick B To: Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21791] RH v.s. Debian: A bit of oil on the waters, perhaps? > Everyone has their own opinion of what distro is better. I think for Linux > to suceed, Redhat or not, Linux users (Debian included!) shouldn't flame on > Redhat or other companies just because they don't like them. I havn't made a > post yet that suggests I hate Debian or some other distribution. > What I see happening in the near future is the fact that you have all > these distros, but there isnt one GREAT distro of all. You have tons of > satisfied people with Redhat, Debian, Mandrake, Slackware, and more. the > problem is, is that Linux isnt going to take off because you have other Linux > users complaining about the fact that one distro has problems and that they > should use a better one (The one the complainer is using). So... what you have > in the long run is the fact that no one can make up their damned minds which > one will be the one to take off. > So, what do you guys think is the solution? > > --Nick Betcher > > P.S.) Dont say I flame because this isnt a flame, nor have I flamed in the > past. I just try to make people face the inevitable. Have fun with this! > > andy@theasis.com wrote: > > > > All personal advocacy aside, we need to remember that TCLUG is the > > > Twin Cities Linux Users' Group. As such, we have members from all > > > corners of the distribution world. Unless you roll-you-own, you're > > > probably using one distribution or another. Given that observation, > > > we should commit ourselves to quelling the typical distribution-specif > > > advocacy we would normally see on comp.os.linux..advocacy. By > > > typical, I do not mean advocacy in the manner laid out by official > > > distribution policy or constitution, but advocacy that you see from > > > the everyday, average distribution enthusiast. > > > > Advocacy is informative, if that's actually what you're doing -- i.e., > > pointing out some of the strengths of a particular distribution. This even > > entails a comparative approach. That's fine as long as it sticks to > > *technical* points of distinction. Such discussions are educational to new > > users, as well as useful to more seasoned users when switching > > distributions could be potentially very costly (in terms of time, which > > _is_ money after all). > > > > But the benefit of such discussions is completely nullified if it turns > > from advocacy to eulogizing or vituperation, which then turns into rancor. > > This is merely my opinion, of course. > > > > In short, flamewars are often enough sparked by flamebait and most of us > > are capable of recognizing when we're producing that, or not reacting to > > it in the most positive fashion. > > > > > Committing the TCLUG environment to this tenant wouldn't be too > > > difficult, and it may promote a more constructive forum on the list... > > > > I'm all for that. > > > > > I'm not trying to change any personal philosophies here; just trying > > > to pour a little oil on our apparently troubled waters. > > > > IMO, once again, it all comes down to whether each person is inclined > > towards a default policy of treating respectfully the other members of the > > community. > > > > Andy > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From psp at printwareinc.com Fri Sep 29 09:04:02 2000 From: psp at printwareinc.com (Phil Plumbo) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21818] article on OSs by Stephenson Message-ID: <20000929140402404.AAA365@sumo> cool article by Neil Stephenson at http://www.cryptonomicon.com - see "In the Beginning" - which describes operating systems by analogy to cars, and other literary devices. He likens Linux to an M1 tank, "made of space-age materials and jammed with sophisticated technology from one end to the other". BeOS: The Batmobile. It's been done before, but never this well. A techno-literate poet's view. Phil Plumbo | Printware, Inc. | psp@printwareinc.com | 1270 Eagan Industrial Rd. | voice: 651-456-1400 http://printwareinc.com | St. Paul, MN 55121 USA | fax: 651-454-3684 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Fri Sep 29 09:51:13 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21791] RH v.s. Debian: A bit of oil on the waters, perhaps? In-Reply-To: <39D3A79E.4E0BF29B@uswest.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 28 Sep 2000, Nick B wrote: > So... what you have in the long run is the fact that no one can make > up their damned minds which one will be the one to take off. Some of us use Linux because we don't *WANT* there to be a single good one. What's good for one isn't necessarily good for another, and it's ridiculous to expect one thing to be everything to everybody. Inevitably, you'll realize that. > P.S.) Dont say I flame because this isnt a flame, nor have I flamed in the > past. I just try to make people face the inevitable. Have fun with this! My fun, and that's all it is, is to ask how it is that the truly inevitable needs your assistance? :) Cheers, Phil -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From nbetcher at uswest.net Fri Sep 29 11:00:19 2000 From: nbetcher at uswest.net (Nick B) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21791] RH v.s. Debian: A bit of oil on the waters, perhaps? References: Message-ID: <39D4BC92.8D6C8679@uswest.net> Philip: I didn't mean that I want one good distro. I was just saying that one is going to appear to the public as the most popular, and thats where Linux takes off. I don't think that anyone should have to use a distro that's popular (Like Redhat), but I don't think we should show nasty opinions about them, because then no one will be able to decide which one is best for them, or which one will become the most popular. It will be a big game, new linux users trying to seek the easy one and the most welly supported one. So these "people" go to these message boards and see people flaming Redhat and Mandrake (etc). So they hear good words about Debian, they decide to download and burn it. But then when they go to install it, its a bitch, or its not as easy as they hoped and hold a grudge against Linux. I know this doesn't affect *YOU* (YOU meaning the persons reading this, not just Philip), but we need to start thinking ahead, and not just being selfish. Once again, this isnt a flame against anyone who said something poor about Redhat or other distro. I'm just trying to make my point clear, and my "point" isnt directed towards one person. --Nick Betcher Philip C Mendelsohn wrote: > On Thu, 28 Sep 2000, Nick B wrote: > > > So... what you have in the long run is the fact that no one can make > > up their damned minds which one will be the one to take off. > > Some of us use Linux because we don't *WANT* there to be a single good > one. What's good for one isn't necessarily good for another, and it's > ridiculous to expect one thing to be everything to everybody. Inevitably, > you'll realize that. > > > P.S.) Dont say I flame because this isnt a flame, nor have I flamed in the > > past. I just try to make people face the inevitable. Have fun with this! > > My fun, and that's all it is, is to ask how it is that the truly > inevitable needs your assistance? :) > > Cheers, > Phil > > -- > "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lcgreenwald at tcinternet.net Fri Sep 29 13:21:02 2000 From: lcgreenwald at tcinternet.net (Larry Greenwald) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21791] RH v.s. Debian: A bit of oil on the waters, perhaps? In-Reply-To: <20000928111731.A23309@wookimus.net> References: <20000928111731.A23309@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <00092913210201.06009@061DELL002.mep.com> On Thu, 28 Sep 2000, you wrote: > > All personal advocacy aside, we need to remember that TCLUG is the > Twin Cities Linux Users' Group. As such, we have members from all > corners of the distribution world. Unless you roll-you-own, you're > probably using one distribution or another. Given that observation, > we should commit ourselves to quelling the typical distribution-specif > advocacy we would normally see on comp.os.linux..advocacy. By > typical, I do not mean advocacy in the manner laid out by official > distribution policy or constitution, but advocacy that you see from > the everyday, average distribution enthusiast. Committing the TCLUG > environment to this tenant wouldn't be too difficult, and it may > promote a more constructive forum on the list... > > I'm not trying to change any personal philosophies here; just trying > to pour a little oil on our apparently troubled waters. YES!!!! Well said! Thank you! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Fri Sep 29 15:32:15 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21822] Ultra ATA Message-ID: I just bought an IBM DeskStar 75XP 30.6Gb hard drive. It's supposed to support Ultra ATA/100 and such. I want to use it in Linux, so does anyone have any opinions on what controller I should get to drive such an animal? Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From pope at ossuary.net Fri Sep 29 15:38:23 2000 From: pope at ossuary.net (Scott) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21822] Ultra ATA In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Does Linux even support ATA/100 at this point? I seem to remember it being a little while before it did 33 & 66, and I haven't heard anything mentioned in the 2.3 devel about it either, though it's not something that I've been folloing extremely closely. Scott -- ossuary.net -- "Only dead girls like me." -Voltaire --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Fri Sep 29 15:38:19 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21822] Ultra ATA In-Reply-To: Message-ID: From natecars at real-time.com Fri Sep 29 15:38:29 2000 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21822] Ultra ATA In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 29 Sep 2000, Scott wrote: > Does Linux even support ATA/100 at this point? I seem to > remember it being a little while before it did 33 & 66, and I haven't > heard anything mentioned in the 2.3 devel about it either, though it's > not something that I've been folloing extremely closely. Running it on Gladiator right now. Yes. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From pope at ossuary.net Fri Sep 29 15:42:06 2000 From: pope at ossuary.net (Scott) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21822] Ultra ATA In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ..oh yeah, Promise makes ata/100 controllers. :P Scott -- ossuary.net -- "Only dead girls like me." -Voltaire --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From ben at nerp.net Fri Sep 29 15:39:29 2000 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21822] Ultra ATA In-Reply-To: Message-ID: yea.. well.. any card/chipset supported will do ATA/100 from what i've seen, 2.4 supports a whole bunch of ATA/66/100 stuff.. including promise and highpoint cards. (like the one on my BP6) tho you don't have to use the ATA/66/100 card with the drive.. it's all backwards compatable with ata/33 controlers Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] | Unix/Linux Consulting | [ Haiku Error Message: ] | PC/Mac Repair | [ Chaos reigns within. ] | Networking | [ Reflect, repent, and reboot. ] | http://nerp.net | [ Order shall return. ] *-----------------------* [ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - ] "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Fri, 29 Sep 2000, Scott wrote: > Does Linux even support ATA/100 at this point? I seem to > remember it being a little while before it did 33 & 66, and I haven't > heard anything mentioned in the 2.3 devel about it either, though it's > not something that I've been folloing extremely closely. > > Scott > -- ossuary.net -- > "Only dead girls like me." -Voltaire > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From veldy at veldy.net Fri Sep 29 15:47:17 2000 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21822] Ultra ATA References: Message-ID: <02ee01c02a56$75085bd0$ff01060a@metamoris.com> Hedrick's newer UDMA patches support ATA100. They aren't as good at detecting the various hard drives that are UDMA66/100 enabled. Same problems as Windows 2000. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott To: Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21822] Ultra ATA > Does Linux even support ATA/100 at this point? I seem to > remember it being a little while before it did 33 & 66, and I haven't > heard anything mentioned in the 2.3 devel about it either, though it's > not something that I've been folloing extremely closely. > > Scott > -- ossuary.net -- > "Only dead girls like me." -Voltaire > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andyzb at ltiflex.com Fri Sep 29 16:18:44 2000 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21829] Best Linux vs Windows argument ever Message-ID: <39D50734.960633C1@ltiflex.com> Picked this up aff loki.misc: ---- One of the people I work with, in order to wind me up, has told me that NT is superior to any other OS because he can turn his mouse cursor to a dinosaur. ---- -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com -------------- next part -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From drew at usfamily.net Fri Sep 29 17:07:47 2000 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21829] Best Linux vs Windows argument ever References: <39D50734.960633C1@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <39D512B3.74D9F5D3@usfamily.net> Oooooo!!! a dinosaur!!!! Well he does have a good argument if he was like 5, But I'm guessing that he's out of pre-school? In which case he's on CrAcK. ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Fri Sep 29 17:12:04 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21829] Best Linux vs Windows argument ever In-Reply-To: <39D50734.960633C1@ltiflex.com>; from andyzb@ltiflex.com on Fri, Sep 29, 2000 at 04:18:44PM -0500 References: <39D50734.960633C1@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <20000929171204.A4620@real-time.com> > One of the people I work with, in order to wind me up, has told me that NT > is superior to > any other OS because he can turn his mouse cursor to a dinosaur. can't Enlightenment change cursor images as well? I'm sure I saw it once. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Fri Sep 29 17:36:22 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21829] Best Linux vs Windows argument ever In-Reply-To: <20000929171204.A4620@real-time.com> Message-ID: Uh Bob, you have the source code, it can do whatever you darn well please :) Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Fri, 29 Sep 2000, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > One of the people I work with, in order to wind me up, has told me that NT > > is superior to > > any other OS because he can turn his mouse cursor to a dinosaur. > > can't Enlightenment change cursor images as well? I'm sure I saw it once. > > Carl Soderstrom > -- > Network Engineer > Real-Time Enterprises > (952) 943-8700 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From trammell at nitz.hep.umn.edu Fri Sep 29 10:12:11 2000 From: trammell at nitz.hep.umn.edu (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21829] Best Linux vs Windows argument ever Message-ID: <200009291512.KAA18092@nitz.hep.umn.edu> Adam Maloney wrote: > Uh Bob, you have the source code, it can do whatever you darn well > please :) > > On Fri, 29 Sep 2000, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > > can't Enlightenment change cursor images as well? I'm sure I saw it once. > Enlightenment, feh. I once changed the pointer on someone's X config to resemble a small hand with a distinctly raised middle finger. It was beautiful. J --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Fri Sep 29 17:43:04 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21829] Best Linux vs Windows argument ever In-Reply-To: ; from adamm@sihope.com on Fri, Sep 29, 2000 at 05:36:22PM -0500 References: <20000929171204.A4620@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20000929174304.C4620@real-time.com> Bob? aww, not *another* nickname I have to answer to. :( ;> Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 On Fri, Sep 29, 2000 at 05:36:22PM -0500, Adam Maloney wrote: > Uh Bob, you have the source code, it can do whatever you darn well please > :) > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > On Fri, 29 Sep 2000, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > > > One of the people I work with, in order to wind me up, has told me that NT > > > is superior to > > > any other OS because he can turn his mouse cursor to a dinosaur. > > > > can't Enlightenment change cursor images as well? I'm sure I saw it once. > > > > Carl Soderstrom > > -- > > Network Engineer > > Real-Time Enterprises > > (952) 943-8700 > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Fri Sep 29 17:45:10 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21829] Best Linux vs Windows argument ever In-Reply-To: <20000929174304.C4620@real-time.com> Message-ID: I'm sorry Carl, I wasn't really paying attention, I saw the "Realtime" sig, associated that with Bob. You know what they say, when you assume you make an ASS out of U and ME. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Fri, 29 Sep 2000, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > Bob? aww, not *another* nickname I have to answer to. :( > > ;> > > Carl Soderstrom > -- > Network Engineer > Real-Time Enterprises > (952) 943-8700 > > On Fri, Sep 29, 2000 at 05:36:22PM -0500, Adam Maloney wrote: > > Uh Bob, you have the source code, it can do whatever you darn well please > > :) > > > > Adam Maloney > > Systems Administrator > > Sihope Communications > > > > On Fri, 29 Sep 2000, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > > > > > One of the people I work with, in order to wind me up, has told me that NT > > > > is superior to > > > > any other OS because he can turn his mouse cursor to a dinosaur. > > > > > > can't Enlightenment change cursor images as well? I'm sure I saw it once. > > > > > > Carl Soderstrom > > > -- > > > Network Engineer > > > Real-Time Enterprises > > > (952) 943-8700 > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chrome at real-time.com Fri Sep 29 17:57:51 2000 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21829] Best Linux vs Windows argument ever In-Reply-To: ; from adamm@sihope.com on Fri, Sep 29, 2000 at 05:45:10PM -0500 References: <20000929174304.C4620@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20000929175751.D4620@real-time.com> > I'm sorry Carl, I wasn't really paying attention, I saw the "Realtime" > sig, associated that with Bob. s'ok. ;> I have a sense of humor about these sorts of things. :) Carl. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From nbetcher at uswest.net Fri Sep 29 18:23:14 2000 From: nbetcher at uswest.net (Nick B) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21837] Your guys'/gals' favorite GUI/WM Message-ID: <39D52462.99208708@uswest.net> Hi guys, I was wondering... what is your guys' favorite GUI and or WM? I personaly love KDE 2.0 (I liked KDE in the 1.x series, but it wasnt much). I cant get enough of KDE 2.0! You guys should check it out. The betas are completely stable now, and we are entering RC1. ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/distribution/2.0Beta5 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From blayer at uswest.net Fri Sep 29 17:02:47 2000 From: blayer at uswest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21829] Best Linux vs Windows argument ever In-Reply-To: <39D50734.960633C1@ltiflex.com> References: <39D50734.960633C1@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <00092917033600.00556@homer> Beyond any doubt, one of NT's greatest strengths. On Fri, 29 Sep 2000, you wrote: > One of the people I work with, in order to wind me up, has told me that NT > is superior to > any other OS because he can turn his mouse cursor to a dinosaur. > > ---- > > -- > Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX:132) > LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (FAX) 763-428-9126 > 21801 Industrial Blvd | (PCS) 612-306-6055 > Rogers, MN 55374 | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com > - -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From pope at ossuary.net Fri Sep 29 19:37:06 2000 From: pope at ossuary.net (Scott) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21837] Your guys'/gals' favorite GUI/WM In-Reply-To: <39D52462.99208708@uswest.net> Message-ID: The more I use my old thinkpad which can't really run x, the more I prefer the console. Scott -- ossuary.net -- "Only dead girls like me." -Voltaire --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu Fri Sep 29 19:34:09 2000 From: cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu (Charles Fulton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21837] Your guys'/gals' favorite GUI/WM References: <39D52462.99208708@uswest.net> Message-ID: <004e01c02a76$26848360$0a0c10ac@bizmark> Blackbox. Mostly cause it compiles to ~500k and doesn't have icons or a toolbar thingy with a start button. I like the minimalist approach with a clean desktop. And with the bbkeys add-on I can define key binding to do anything I want (change desktops, send windows here or there, etc). Charlie --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From foeclan at winternet.com Fri Sep 29 21:01:51 2000 From: foeclan at winternet.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21837] Your guys'/gals' favorite GUI/WM In-Reply-To: <39D52462.99208708@uswest.net> Message-ID: Mmmm, AfterStep. I installed Linux on my laptop, but don't have a NIC for it yet. I was going to ask my roommate to burn me a CD with AfterStep 1.8+patches on it (and assorted other schtuff) until I realized I could pile the tar.gz, the patches (3), and 4 or 5 as apps onto one floppy and copy them over in one shot. Plus, it's awful purty and has nice theme support now. Michael Vieths Foeclan@Winternet.Com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Fri Sep 29 21:11:23 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21837] Your guys'/gals' favorite GUI/WM In-Reply-To: <39D52462.99208708@uswest.net> Message-ID: I use Gnome/Enlightenment at home so I can show off the blinky-whoop-de-sh*t to non-linux users, but I like fvwm2. twm was starting to grow on me also. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Fri, 29 Sep 2000, Nick B wrote: > Hi guys, I was wondering... what is your guys' favorite GUI and or > WM? I personaly love KDE 2.0 (I liked KDE in the 1.x series, but it > wasnt much). I cant get enough of KDE 2.0! You guys should check it out. > The betas are completely stable now, and we are entering RC1. > ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/distribution/2.0Beta5 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Fri Sep 29 21:52:01 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21843] Port 1999 Message-ID: <20000929215201.S17949@real-time.com> Anyone know of any well known service that runs on port 1999? Our border router is getting pounded by requests from the 'net to port 1999 on our network and several client's networks. The "attack"/probe is specific they are targeting linux boxes. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From tanner at real-time.com Fri Sep 29 21:52:01 2000 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21844] Port 1999 Message-ID: <20000929215201.S17949@real-time.com> Anyone know of any well known service that runs on port 1999? Our border router is getting pounded by requests from the 'net to port 1999 on our network and several client's networks. The "attack"/probe is specific they are targeting linux boxes. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andy at theasis.com Fri Sep 29 22:06:30 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21843] Port 1999 In-Reply-To: <20000929215201.S17949@real-time.com> Message-ID: See http://lists.insecure.org/vuln-dev/2000/Aug/0110.html which also has a link to another article. Andy On Fri, 29 Sep 2000, Bob Tanner wrote: > Anyone know of any well known service that runs on port 1999? > > Our border router is getting pounded by requests from the 'net to port 1999 on > our network and several client's networks. > > The "attack"/probe is specific they are targeting linux boxes. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From sos at zjod.net Fri Sep 29 23:13:58 2000 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21844] Port 1999 In-Reply-To: <20000929215201.S17949@real-time.com> from "Bob Tanner" at Sep 29, 2000 09:52:01 PM Message-ID: <200009300413.XAA32224@zjod.net> Bob Tanner wrote: > > Anyone know of any well known service that runs on port 1999? > > Our border router is getting pounded by requests from the 'net to port 1999 on > our network and several client's networks. > > The "attack"/probe is specific they are targeting linux boxes. > Bob, I've got two separate sources that both say the same thing: Port 1999 is used as the "tcp-id-port" for Cisco routers. Some sort of exploit is no doubt making the script-kiddie rounds. RFCs that list this stuff are RFC793 (TCP) and RFC768 (UDP). Hope this helps'idly, -S --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Fri Sep 29 23:38:11 2000 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21837] Your guys'/gals' favorite GUI/WM In-Reply-To: <39D52462.99208708@uswest.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 29 Sep 2000, Nick B wrote: > Hi guys, I was wondering... what is your guys' favorite GUI and or > WM? I personaly love KDE 2.0 (I liked KDE in the 1.x series, but it > wasnt much). I cant get enough of KDE 2.0! You guys should check it out. I'm more of a Blackbox guy these days, but only when a console won't do. Between screen and vim windows, who needs X? ;) Phil M -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jack at jacku.com Fri Sep 29 23:52:25 2000 From: jack at jacku.com (jack@jacku.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21818] article on OSs by Stephenson Message-ID: <20000930045225.359.cpmta@c017.sfo.cp.net> Its also available in "traditional" book form. I bought a copy last spring. $10 Avon Trade Paperbacks. I got mine at B&N while still in Duluth. Its a great read. On Fri, 29 September 2000, Phil Plumbo wrote: > > cool article by Neil Stephenson at http://www.cryptonomicon.com - see "In > the Beginning" - which describes operating systems by analogy to cars, and > other literary devices. He likens Linux to an M1 tank, "made of space-age > materials and jammed with sophisticated technology from one end to the > other". BeOS: The Batmobile. It's been done before, but never this well. A > techno-literate poet's view. > > > > Phil Plumbo | Printware, Inc. | > psp@printwareinc.com | 1270 Eagan Industrial Rd. | voice: 651-456-1400 > http://printwareinc.com | St. Paul, MN 55121 USA | fax: 651-454-3684 > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org Jack Ungerleider - The Ungerleider Group Creative Solutions for Cooperative Computing jack@jacku.com www.jacku.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jcook at k-lug.com Sat Sep 30 00:20:36 2000 From: jcook at k-lug.com (Cook,Justin S.) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21837] Your guys'/gals' favorite GUI/WM References: Message-ID: <000d01c02a9e$2b4f71c0$b61cfea9@fuchi> I'm sort of partial to kde2 myself...go 2 go!!! Justin Cook themes.org admin http://kde.themes.org mailto: jsc@themes.org ----- Original Message ----- From: Philip C Mendelsohn To: Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 11:38 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21837] Your guys'/gals' favorite GUI/WM > On Fri, 29 Sep 2000, Nick B wrote: > > > Hi guys, I was wondering... what is your guys' favorite GUI and or > > WM? I personaly love KDE 2.0 (I liked KDE in the 1.x series, but it > > wasnt much). I cant get enough of KDE 2.0! You guys should check it out. > > I'm more of a Blackbox guy these days, but only when a console won't do. > Between screen and vim windows, who needs X? ;) > > Phil M > > -- > "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dieman at ringworld.org Sat Sep 30 00:34:26 2000 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21837] Your guys'/gals' favorite GUI/WM In-Reply-To: <39D52462.99208708@uswest.net>; from nbetcher@uswest.net on Fri, Sep 29, 2000 at 06:23:14PM -0500 References: <39D52462.99208708@uswest.net> Message-ID: <20000930003425.B13665@ringworld.org> Ive been playing with gnome, see: http://teela.ringworld.org/~dieman/screenshots/ And if it isn't working when you try to access the link, sorry, im doing some *wacked* out setup to make one web server actually be 2 or 3 via proxying... * Nick B [000929 18:29]: > Hi guys, I was wondering... what is your guys' favorite GUI and or > WM? I personaly love KDE 2.0 (I liked KDE in the 1.x series, but it > wasnt much). I cant get enough of KDE 2.0! You guys should check it out. > The betas are completely stable now, and we are entering RC1. > ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/distribution/2.0Beta5 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > -- Scott Dier #nicnac@efnet http://www.ringworld.org/ finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In case you haven't tried it, make sure you are running as > few extra programs/daemons as possible. Maybe even disconnect your > computer from the network if you have to (you might be getting huge > numbers of interrupts or something). Argh. It makes no sense. Its not loaded down. I went and unplugged the HD thats on the same IDE chain, (It kinda sucks) and booted without X, and just started cdrecord. It works. Now the question is, was it removing the HD or running without X that fixed it. ;P Never had this problem before, too bad I can't remember what X I was running when it was working. Probably back before I added three monitors. Three monitors really* eats ram really* bad for some reason. I still don't see why it disrupts cd recording. I left the machine alone, it wasn't swapping, its not running out of RAM or cycles... Grrrr... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Sat Sep 30 01:23:10 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21837] Your guys'/gals' favorite GUI/WM References: <39D52462.99208708@uswest.net> Message-ID: <39D586CE.4E353424@tcfreenet.org> Nick B wrote: > > Hi guys, I was wondering... what is your guys' favorite GUI and or > WM? I personaly love KDE 2.0 (I liked KDE in the 1.x series, but it > wasnt much). I cant get enough of KDE 2.0! You guys should check it out. > The betas are completely stable now, and we are entering RC1. > ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/distribution/2.0Beta5 Why does this sound like spam to me? Ahem. Anyway. Afterstep baby! http://www.404error.com/seg/stuff/th33m.jpg --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Sat Sep 30 01:28:36 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21791] RH v.s. Debian: A bit of oil on the waters, perhaps? References: <39D3A79E.4E0BF29B@uswest.net> Message-ID: <39D58814.DCE823DF@tcfreenet.org> > should use a better one (The one the complainer is using). So... what you have > in the long run is the fact that no one can make up their damned minds which > one will be the one to take off. > So, what do you guys think is the solution? Debian, of course. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Sat Sep 30 01:30:30 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21751] RH-7.0 installation blunder References: Message-ID: <39D58886.8B77A816@tcfreenet.org> > My 'advice' is to save the dump to a floppy (which RH will prompt you to > do) and send it to them. I would do so if RedHat's bug reporting system wasn't FRIGGIN' DOWN FOR THE LAST THREE DAYS! No doubt overrun with bug reports. ;) Oh cool, bugzilla.redhat.com is up again. Ahem. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Sat Sep 30 01:32:54 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21749] NFS References: Message-ID: <39D58916.40DB1650@tcfreenet.org> > distro you use (yes.. adam.. slackware is not the only distro :) if i > remember right, slackware finaly got knfs in version 7.. but it's nfs V3 Nope, my Slack 7.1 running laptop is still using user space NFS. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Sat Sep 30 01:35:27 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21765] file limit? References: <0G1L00JHEN9S9S@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: <39D589AF.10144C7F@tcfreenet.org> Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > > Yeah, that was a limit of NTFS4. NTFS5 has no file size > limitation. It also adds some other cool features to the mix, > such as quotas (finally), even more security attributes, the > encrypted filesystem, Someone implement compression in ext2! Or reiser! You could save a crapload of space compressing all those C header files. :) Or just do it at application level like man pages. Blah. > what they called Distributed Link > Tracking - it allows things like shortcuts, etc. to "follow" the > location of files. (not new, been in the Mac alias for years, > but still nice to have.), a sort of pseudo-symbolic link > feature, Unix hard link? Doesn't cross filesystems though... > and sparse file support. Unix systems pioneered sparse files didn't they? ;) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Sat Sep 30 01:47:26 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21783] RH 7 - xinetd References: <970153325.39d35d6db4ab4@www.fandre.com> Message-ID: <39D58C7E.D4231574@tcfreenet.org> Clay Fandre wrote: > > So I upgraded my 6.2 box last night to RH7. It actually went really well with > no problems. Good for you. My first mail check post RH7 and I'm greeted by a 100 message Why RedHat Sucks flamewar. Anyway, so I try several times to install it, apparently if I try and select individual packages it crashes later in the install. Tried with both text install and graphical. Graphical harfs on my multihead box, since it detects the first PCI card and trys to config for that, rather than the AGP card that's primary, which fails. Switching the bios to make the PCI card primary worked. Anyway, so I had to go with some kind of default install, then go back through and uninstall the tons of crap I didn't want. Fun. I have a feeling it has something to do with the two CD support. Has anyone installed taking both CDs during the install? It didn't ask for the second for me. I went and looked at the packages on it and there was only one thing I wanted, which was wget. wget wan't installed by default. Hmmm... Seems bugzilla.redhat.com is back up so I can bitch at them. Whee. > So what's the deal with xinetd? I've never run it so I don't really know too > much about it. From what I read about it it's suppose to be more secure. Anyone > have any opinion on it? Are any other distros using it? It uses a ".d" type layout, (what does .d mean anyway?) each service has its own config file in /etc/xinetd.d which I suppose makes package management much simpler. It allows binding to certain interfaces, which is good... Its neat, but now I gotta learn it. ;P > Is there anything else in RH7 that they changed? (worth noting) Hurray for > including OpenSSH. Now if they would only disable the services that aren't > needed. (finger, telnet, rservices) XFree 4.0.1! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Sat Sep 30 01:52:08 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21783] RH 7 - xinetd References: Message-ID: <39D58D98.8F34EF38@tcfreenet.org> > > Hurray for including OpenSSH. Now if they would only disable the > > services that aren't needed. (finger, telnet, rservices) > > Indeed... and in fact doing that is more obscure than it was, given this > new xinetd config. They insist on installing *rsh* by default! But specifically said it wouldn't be enabled by default. But ssh-server wasn't installed by default even though the clients were. Blah. I nuked all services before checking if they were enabled. Heh. My /etc/xinetd.d is empty now... Sendmail was running by default though. chkconfig --del sendmail, whee... Whats the debian equivlent to chkconfig? Someone told me once and now I can't remember... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Sat Sep 30 02:00:27 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21765] file limit? References: <0G1L00IOXL9VDI@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: <39D58F8B.C375522@tcfreenet.org> http://kt.linuxcare.com/kernel-traffic/kt20000619_72.epl#14 Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > > Actually, the file size limit is file system limit, not a Linux > limit. ext2 has a file size limit of 2GB on 32-bit systems. > ReiserFS is larger, I believe, and if you're running > Windows, NTFS has unlimited file size on 32-bit systems. > > It all depends on the quality of the file system. > > Nick > > dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu, on 09/28/2000 07:37:41 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF > cc: > Subject: [TCLUG:21765] file limit? > > Hmmm... trying to create a 4 GB tarball on a RedHat 6.2 box. At about 1 > GB, it just sort of stops. I know Linux has a file size limit. Anyone > know if that limit is 1 GB? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chewie at wookimus.net Sat Sep 30 01:56:07 2000 From: chewie at wookimus.net (^chewie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21783] RH 7 - xinetd In-Reply-To: <39D58D98.8F34EF38@tcfreenet.org>; from lerwick@tcfreenet.org on Sat, Sep 30, 2000 at 01:52:08AM -0500 References: <39D58D98.8F34EF38@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <20000930015607.E23309@wookimus.net> On Sat, Sep 30, 2000 at 01:52:08AM -0500, Callum Lerwick wrote: > Whats the debian equivlent to chkconfig? Someone told me once and now I > can't remember... Assuming that chkconfig conditionally removes something that MIGHT be on your box, you can do the same with 'apt-get --remove ' or dpkg --remove . dpkg --purge is nice in that it removes ALL traces of that package from your system. Of course, you'll need to make sure no other package depends upon it, in which case you'll have a couple decisions to make. ;-) -- Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom http://wookimus.net/chewie -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Someone told me once and now I > > can't remember... > > Assuming that chkconfig conditionally removes something that MIGHT be > on your box, you can do the same with 'apt-get --remove ' ort > dpkg --remove . dpkg --purge is nice in that it > removes ALL traces of that package from your system. Of course, > you'll need to make sure no other package depends upon it, in which > case you'll have a couple decisions to make. ;-) No, I don't want to remove the package, I just want stop it from running at startup. chkconfig is redhat's nifty keen command line sysvinit link maintainer, mainly there for pre/post install scripts to maintain all that runlevel symlink crap. Its human usable too, chkconfig --list in RH7 even makes the columns line up nicely now, no more using awk to do that, neat... Debian has something similar, suppose I could rip apart a daemon package and see... I'm also told Irix (Or was it solaris?) has a tool of the same name that does the same thing... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Sat Sep 30 02:46:48 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21861] HUMOR: Emacs ...ahem...sucks ;-) References: <20000928111731.A23309@wookimus.net> <20000928233050.D2397@ares.usinternet.com> <20000930015718.F23309@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <39D59A68.6E4C5C3D@tcfreenet.org> > On Thu, Sep 28, 2000 at 11:30:50PM -0500, Ben Lutgens wrote: > > >I'm not trying to change any personal philosophies here; just trying > > >to pour a little oil on our apparently troubled waters. > > > > > Good point, and well met. > > > > Have I mentioned that emacs sucks lately? :-) > > ROFL! You'll get no argument out of me! ;-) vim's mah bitch! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Sat Sep 30 02:54:00 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21743] IDE-SCSI still failing. References: <39D2812E.BF46D4EB@tcfreenet.org> <39D297BA.712DBC52@tc.umn.edu> <39D57CF8.860E8CA0@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <39D59C18.BF9F7EA@tcfreenet.org> > and just started cdrecord. It works. Now the question is, was it > removing the HD or running without X that fixed it. ;P Scratch that, I was having these problems before I added that HD. So its X? But why! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From chewie at wookimus.net Sat Sep 30 02:54:51 2000 From: chewie at wookimus.net (^chewie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21783] RH 7 - xinetd In-Reply-To: <39D59A30.702668FA@tcfreenet.org>; from lerwick@tcfreenet.org on Sat, Sep 30, 2000 at 02:45:52AM -0500 References: <39D58D98.8F34EF38@tcfreenet.org> <20000930015607.E23309@wookimus.net> <39D59A30.702668FA@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <20000930025451.G23309@wookimus.net> On Sat, Sep 30, 2000 at 02:45:52AM -0500, Callum Lerwick wrote: > No, I don't want to remove the package, I just want stop it from > running at startup. chkconfig is redhat's nifty keen command line > sysvinit link maintainer, mainly there for pre/post install scripts > to maintain all that runlevel symlink crap. Its human usable too, > chkconfig --list in RH7 even makes the columns line up nicely now, > no more using awk to do that, neat... See: update-rc.d(8) update-rc.d automatically updates the System V style init script links /etc/rcrunlevel.d/NNname to scripts /etc/init.d/name. These are run by init when changing runlevels and are generally used to start and stop system services such as daemons. Makes the columns line up nicely? What columns? -- Chad "^chewie, gunnarr" Walstrom http://wookimus.net/chewie -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <20000926143200.19361.qmail@khusro.math.umn.edu>; from bob@math.umn.edu on Tue, Sep 26, 2000 at 09:32:00AM -0500 References: <20000926063831.A5491@attglobal.net> <20000926143200.19361.qmail@khusro.math.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20000930054238.Q24594@attglobal.net> On 0, bob@math.umn.edu wrote: > Subba Rao allegedly wrote: > > Hi > > > > I have a directory of 10000+ text files and would like to search for > > some strings in these files. When I tried using "grep" command with an > > asterisk, I get the error message somthing to the effect, > > > > "File argument list too long" > > > > What is the file argument limit for grep? I guess you need the grep source > > for this. I did not find any information in the man page. > > > > Are there any other recommended tools to search through such large list of > > files? > > You might try this: > > ls -1 > filelist > cat filelist | sed 's/^/grep a_string_of_importance /' > filelist > chmod 700 filelist > filelist > > Yes, it makes a big file. No, you will not need to worry about the dread > "File argument list too long" message. And finally, yes, there is probably > a smarter way to do this. > Thanks for replying. I tried the following solution and works much faster. find -print | xargs -n 500 grep Thanks to everyone who replied with some solution! -- Subba Rao subb3@attglobal.net http://pws.prserv.net/truemax/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Sat Sep 30 05:39:12 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21783] RH 7 - xinetd References: <39D58D98.8F34EF38@tcfreenet.org> <20000930015607.E23309@wookimus.net> <39D59A30.702668FA@tcfreenet.org> <20000930025451.G23309@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <39D5C2D0.96C3ECDF@tcfreenet.org> > See: update-rc.d(8) > > Makes the columns line up nicely? What columns? Ah, chkconfig is much nicer to humans. ;) [cal@bigtime RPMS]$ /sbin/chkconfig --list anacron 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off syslog 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off crond 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off netfs 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off network 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off random 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off rawdevices 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off sshd 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off atd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off xfs 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off keytable 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off gpm 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off kdcrotate 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off lpd 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off nfs 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off nfslock 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off portmap 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off sendmail 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From xoi at mn.mediaone.net Sat Sep 30 06:49:20 2000 From: xoi at mn.mediaone.net (Lord Xoi) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21868] FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <39D5C2D0.96C3ECDF@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: Do any of you know it well? I have some questions. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lxy at antares.cloudnet.com Sat Sep 30 08:53:17 2000 From: lxy at antares.cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21869] odd console message Message-ID: <200009301353.IAA09047@antares.cloudnet.com> I'm consistently getting a message on the console that's really bugging me. Every so often, it prints 'hdd: ATAPI 40X CD-ROM drive, 128K Cache'. There's no error, and I haven't noticed any problems with the drive. I'm running RH 7.0, but it was doing it on Pinstripe also. Any ideas?? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From pope at ossuary.net Sat Sep 30 09:19:54 2000 From: pope at ossuary.net (Scott) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21869] odd console message In-Reply-To: <200009301353.IAA09047@antares.cloudnet.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 30 Sep 2000, Brian wrote: > I'm consistently getting a message on the console that's really bugging > me. Every so often, it prints 'hdd: ATAPI 40X CD-ROM drive, 128K Cache'. > There's no error, and I haven't noticed any problems with the drive. I'm > running RH 7.0, but it was doing it on Pinstripe also. Any ideas?? It looks like something is probing for the device, maybe during a mount attempt, or if you were playing an audio cd. Is there anything corresponding to that in any log file? Scott -- ossuary.net -- "Only dead girls like me." -Voltaire --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Sat Sep 30 09:42:46 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21837] Your guys'/gals' favorite GUI/WM In-Reply-To: <39D52462.99208708@uswest.net>; from nbetcher@uswest.net on Fri, Sep 29, 2000 at 06:23:14PM -0500 References: <39D52462.99208708@uswest.net> Message-ID: <20000930094246.A60491@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Hands down: Fvwm2. Windowmaker comws in a close second. Gabe On Fri, Sep 29, 2000 at 06:23:14PM -0500, Nick B wrote: > Hi guys, I was wondering... what is your guys' favorite GUI and or > WM? I personaly love KDE 2.0 (I liked KDE in the 1.x series, but it > wasnt much). I cant get enough of KDE 2.0! You guys should check it out. > The betas are completely stable now, and we are entering RC1. > ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/distribution/2.0Beta5 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "My collection of rare, eencurebale diseases! Violated!" - Ren Hoek in "Sven Hoek" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Sat Sep 30 09:49:41 2000 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21783] RH 7 - xinetd In-Reply-To: <39D59A30.702668FA@tcfreenet.org>; from lerwick@tcfreenet.org on Sat, Sep 30, 2000 at 02:45:52AM -0500 References: <39D58D98.8F34EF38@tcfreenet.org> <20000930015607.E23309@wookimus.net> <39D59A30.702668FA@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <20000930094941.B60491@sorry.cs.umn.edu> > > I'm also told Irix (Or was it solaris?) has a tool of the same name that > does the same thing... > Yeah, but IRIX had it first. RedHAt copied it. Also, if any one noticed, I see RedHat has also copied NSD from IRIX. Interesting... Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | Univerisity of Minnesota Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "My collection of rare, eencurebale diseases! Violated!" - Ren Hoek in "Sven Hoek" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dcsherman at uswest.net Sat Sep 30 09:58:08 2000 From: dcsherman at uswest.net (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG:21873] New Thread: desktop vs. wm (WAS Re: [TCLUG:21837] Your guys'/gals' favorite GUI/WM) References: <39D52462.99208708@uswest.net> <20000930094246.A60491@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <39D5FF80.E23865E2@uswest.net> Up until now, I've been running kde 1 and it works fine. But I'm thinking of switching to AfterStep. I know I will lose some of the "integrated desktop" functionality, but I really don't use it much anyway -- most of my work is done in an xterm. Any opinions on full desktop environs vs. "plain" window managers? Dave dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > > Hands down: Fvwm2. Windowmaker comws in a close second. > > Gabe > -- Quid quid latine dictum sit, altum viditur. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From esper at sherohman.org Sat Sep 30 11:18:02 2000 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21873] New Thread: desktop vs. wm (WAS Re: [TCLUG:21837] Your guys'/gals' favorite GUI/WM) In-Reply-To: <39D5FF80.E23865E2@uswest.net>; from dcsherman@uswest.net on Sat, Sep 30, 2000 at 09:58:08AM -0500 References: <39D52462.99208708@uswest.net> <20000930094246.A60491@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <39D5FF80.E23865E2@uswest.net> Message-ID: <20000930111801.A3674@sherohman.org> On Sat, Sep 30, 2000 at 09:58:08AM -0500, Dave Sherman wrote: > Any opinions on full desktop environs vs. "plain" window managers? I spend the vast majority of my time in Eterms rather than xterms, but I tend to agree with you that I wouldn't get much use out of 'destop integration'. It's just plain WindowMaker for me. No KDE, no GNOME. -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r++ y+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From nbetcher at uswest.net Sat Sep 30 13:09:51 2000 From: nbetcher at uswest.net (Nick B) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21873] New Thread: desktop vs. wm (WAS Re: [TCLUG:21837] Your guys'/gals' favorite GUI/WM) References: <39D52462.99208708@uswest.net> <20000930094246.A60491@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <39D5FF80.E23865E2@uswest.net> Message-ID: <39D62C6F.4D0F883C@uswest.net> (I hate to sound like I'm spamming, but...) Tryout KDE 2.0. Its probably one of the coolest GUI's I've ever ran across. Not much competes with it. /me kills Gnome after seeing its horad GTK widgets Dave Sherman wrote: > Up until now, I've been running kde 1 and it works fine. But I'm > thinking of switching to AfterStep. I know I will lose some of the > "integrated desktop" functionality, but I really don't use it much > anyway -- most of my work is done in an xterm. > > Any opinions on full desktop environs vs. "plain" window managers? > > Dave > > dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > > > > Hands down: Fvwm2. Windowmaker comws in a close second. > > > > Gabe > > > > -- > Quid quid latine dictum sit, altum viditur. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Sat Sep 30 13:37:51 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21868] FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Sat, 30 Sep 2000, Lord Xoi wrote: > Do any of you know it well? I have some questions. I was thinking of starting a Twin Cities FreeBSD Mailing List... -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From adamm at sihope.com Sat Sep 30 13:40:25 2000 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21868] FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I don't know FreeBSD specifically but I know BSD in general. I've got a friend that runs an ISP on the East Coast that I've been helping, he's all FreeBSD. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Sat, 30 Sep 2000, Yaron wrote: > Hi, > > On Sat, 30 Sep 2000, Lord Xoi wrote: > > > Do any of you know it well? I have some questions. > > I was thinking of starting a Twin Cities FreeBSD Mailing List... > > -Yaron > > -- > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Sat Sep 30 14:06:48 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21868] FreeBSD References: Message-ID: <39D639C8.61F230A0@tcfreenet.org> Yaron wrote: > > Hi, > > On Sat, 30 Sep 2000, Lord Xoi wrote: > > > Do any of you know it well? I have some questions. > > I was thinking of starting a Twin Cities FreeBSD Mailing List... Is there any BSD users groups in the TC area? I haven't heard of any... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Sat Sep 30 14:47:07 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21873] New Thread: desktop vs. wm (WAS Re: [TCLUG:21837] Your guys'/gals' favorite GUI/WM) References: <39D52462.99208708@uswest.net> <20000930094246.A60491@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <39D5FF80.E23865E2@uswest.net> Message-ID: <39D6433B.D34EFA3F@tcfreenet.org> > Up until now, I've been running kde 1 and it works fine. But I'm > thinking of switching to AfterStep. I know I will lose some of the > "integrated desktop" functionality, but I really don't use it much > anyway -- most of my work is done in an xterm. Afterstep! Afterstep! Rah rah rah! Go for it! Hmmm, I feel a screenshot coming on... And loading my own screenshot crashed my machine. Thats funny. Thank god it seems they've fixed the damn VM in the latest kernel 2.4... At least the message was saved. ;) http://www.404error.com/seg/stuff/screen3.jpg > Any opinions on full desktop environs vs. "plain" window managers? Simply I* don't need GNOME so I don't use it. ;) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dcsherman at uswest.net Sat Sep 30 15:53:31 2000 From: dcsherman at uswest.net (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21873] New Thread: desktop vs. wm (WAS Re: [TCLUG:21837] Your guys'/gals' favorite GUI/WM) References: <39D52462.99208708@uswest.net> <20000930094246.A60491@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <39D5FF80.E23865E2@uswest.net> <39D62C6F.4D0F883C@uswest.net> Message-ID: <39D652CB.47FBA61B@uswest.net> Well, I'm going to give AfterStep a try first, but I may look at KDE 2 at a later date. Dave Nick B wrote: > > (I hate to sound like I'm spamming, but...) > > Tryout KDE 2.0. Its probably one of the coolest GUI's I've ever ran > across. Not much competes with it. > > /me kills Gnome after seeing its horad GTK widgets > -- Quid quid latine dictum sit, altum viditur. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dcsherman at uswest.net Sat Sep 30 15:55:18 2000 From: dcsherman at uswest.net (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21873] New Thread: desktop vs. wm (WAS Re: [TCLUG:21837] Your guys'/gals' favorite GUI/WM) References: <39D52462.99208708@uswest.net> <20000930094246.A60491@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <39D5FF80.E23865E2@uswest.net> <39D6433B.D34EFA3F@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <39D65336.C692ACA8@uswest.net> Yes, I liked the screenshots I saw at afterstep.org, and look forward to getting it running on my ThinkPad. After the ./configure, it looks like I need to get libXpm.... Going to download that next. Dave Callum Lerwick wrote: > > > Up until now, I've been running kde 1 and it works fine. But I'm > > thinking of switching to AfterStep. I know I will lose some of the > > "integrated desktop" functionality, but I really don't use it much > > anyway -- most of my work is done in an xterm. > > Afterstep! Afterstep! Rah rah rah! Go for it! Hmmm, I feel a screenshot > coming on... > > And loading my own screenshot crashed my machine. Thats funny. Thank god > it seems they've fixed the damn VM in the latest kernel 2.4... > > At least the message was saved. ;) > > http://www.404error.com/seg/stuff/screen3.jpg > > > Any opinions on full desktop environs vs. "plain" window managers? > > Simply I* don't need GNOME so I don't use it. ;) > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Quid quid latine dictum sit, altum viditur. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Sat Sep 30 17:18:14 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21873] New Thread: desktop vs. wm (WAS Re: [TCLUG:21837] Your guys'/gals' favorite GUI/WM) References: <39D52462.99208708@uswest.net> <20000930094246.A60491@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <39D5FF80.E23865E2@uswest.net> <39D6433B.D34EFA3F@tcfreenet.org> <39D65336.C692ACA8@uswest.net> Message-ID: <39D666A6.A5F340F@tcfreenet.org> Dave Sherman wrote: > > Yes, I liked the screenshots I saw at afterstep.org, and look forward to > getting it running on my ThinkPad. After the ./configure, it looks like > I need to get libXpm.... Going to download that next. You don't have it? Your distribution should have a package for it. Its a pretty vital part of X. Lots of stuff uses it. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Sat Sep 30 18:47:18 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21868] FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <39D639C8.61F230A0@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: Hi, On Sat, 30 Sep 2000, Callum Lerwick wrote: > > I was thinking of starting a Twin Cities FreeBSD Mailing List... > Is there any BSD users groups in the TC area? I haven't heard of any... I looked for one but couldn't find it, which is why I was thinking of starting one. Maybe if I have time tomorrow. -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dcsherman at uswest.net Sat Sep 30 19:26:05 2000 From: dcsherman at uswest.net (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21873] New Thread: desktop vs. wm (WAS Re: [TCLUG:21837] Your guys'/gals' favorite GUI/WM) References: <39D52462.99208708@uswest.net> <20000930094246.A60491@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <39D5FF80.E23865E2@uswest.net> <39D6433B.D34EFA3F@tcfreenet.org> <39D65336.C692ACA8@uswest.net> <39D666A6.A5F340F@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <39D6849D.11B0EE89@uswest.net> I thought it was strange, too. Alas, on three CD's there appears to be neither source nor binary for libXpm. Dave Callum Lerwick wrote: > > Dave Sherman wrote: > > > > Yes, I liked the screenshots I saw at afterstep.org, and look forward to > > getting it running on my ThinkPad. After the ./configure, it looks like > > I need to get libXpm.... Going to download that next. > > You don't have it? Your distribution should have a package for it. Its a > pretty vital part of X. Lots of stuff uses it. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Quid quid latine dictum sit, altum viditur. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Sat Sep 30 20:29:42 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21873] New Thread: desktop vs. wm (WAS Re: [TCLUG:21837] Your guys'/gals' favorite GUI/WM) References: <39D52462.99208708@uswest.net> <20000930094246.A60491@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <39D5FF80.E23865E2@uswest.net> <39D6433B.D34EFA3F@tcfreenet.org> <39D65336.C692ACA8@uswest.net> <39D666A6.A5F340F@tcfreenet.org> <39D6849D.11B0EE89@uswest.net> Message-ID: <39D69386.1093CE6D@tcfreenet.org> Dave Sherman wrote: > > I thought it was strange, too. Alas, on three CD's there appears to be > neither source nor binary for libXpm. What distrib? On RH7 at least it seems libXpm has been merged into XFree86-libs... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dcsherman at uswest.net Sat Sep 30 21:16:33 2000 From: dcsherman at uswest.net (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21873] New Thread: desktop vs. wm (WAS Re: [TCLUG:21837] Your guys'/gals' favorite GUI/WM) References: <39D52462.99208708@uswest.net> <20000930094246.A60491@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <39D5FF80.E23865E2@uswest.net> <39D6433B.D34EFA3F@tcfreenet.org> <39D65336.C692ACA8@uswest.net> <39D666A6.A5F340F@tcfreenet.org> <39D6849D.11B0EE89@uswest.net> <39D69386.1093CE6D@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <39D69E81.66CFAF06@uswest.net> I'm running Caldera eDesktop 2.4. For what it's worth, even after downloading the latest elf tarball for libXpm and installing it, it seems that AfterStep's configure script still does not see the xpm lib. Watching the messages scroll by, there's a message to the effect that libXpm was not found -- at least, that's what it looked like to me. Unfortunately, I don't have the log handy to confirm the exact wording. Dave Callum Lerwick wrote: > > Dave Sherman wrote: > > > > I thought it was strange, too. Alas, on three CD's there appears to be > > neither source nor binary for libXpm. > > What distrib? On RH7 at least it seems libXpm has been merged into > XFree86-libs... > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Quid quid latine dictum sit, altum viditur. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From andy at theasis.com Sat Sep 30 21:44:04 2000 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21873] New Thread: desktop vs. wm (WAS Re: [TCLUG:21837] Your guys'/gals' favorite GUI/WM) In-Reply-To: <39D69E81.66CFAF06@uswest.net> Message-ID: > > Dave Sherman wrote: > I'm running Caldera eDesktop 2.4. For what it's worth, even after > downloading the latest elf tarball for libXpm and installing it, it > seems that AfterStep's configure script still does not see the xpm lib. > Watching the messages scroll by, there's a message to the effect that > libXpm was not found -- at least, that's what it looked like to me. > Unfortunately, I don't have the log handy to confirm the exact wording. > Callum Lerwick wrote: > > What distrib? On RH7 at least it seems libXpm has been merged into > > XFree86-libs... er, well, on my redhat system, the various libXpm.* came with xpm and xpm-devel. As I recall from my own use of afterstep, I always had to fiddle around and make symlinks from where it really is to where Afterstep thinks it wants to find it. Sorry I can't give you more specifics, but hopefully that clue will be of some use. Andy --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Sat Sep 30 22:14:27 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21873] New Thread: desktop vs. wm (WAS Re: [TCLUG:21837]Your guys'/gals' favorite GUI/WM) References: Message-ID: <39D6AC13.7328EC8A@tcfreenet.org> > > > What distrib? On RH7 at least it seems libXpm has been merged into > > > XFree86-libs... > > er, well, on my redhat system, the various libXpm.* came with xpm and > xpm-devel. Like I said, RedHat 7. I think its an XFree 4 thing. A few libraries have been snarfed under XFree's wing now. > As I recall from my own use of afterstep, I always had to fiddle around > and make symlinks from where it really is to where Afterstep thinks it > wants to find it. I've never had a problem compiling Afterstep on RedHat. Or anything on RedHat. I like RedHat for that reason... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Sat Sep 30 22:16:23 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21873] New Thread: desktop vs. wm (WAS Re: [TCLUG:21837] Your guys'/gals' favorite GUI/WM) References: <39D52462.99208708@uswest.net> <20000930094246.A60491@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <39D5FF80.E23865E2@uswest.net> <39D6433B.D34EFA3F@tcfreenet.org> <39D65336.C692ACA8@uswest.net> <39D666A6.A5F340F@tcfreenet.org> <39D6849D.11B0EE89@uswest.net> <39D69386.1093CE6D@tcfreenet.org> <39D69E81.66CFAF06@uswest.net> Message-ID: <39D6AC87.E769DEBE@tcfreenet.org> Dave Sherman wrote: > > I'm running Caldera eDesktop 2.4. For what it's worth, even after > downloading the latest elf tarball for libXpm and installing it, it > seems that AfterStep's configure script still does not see the xpm lib. > Watching the messages scroll by, there's a message to the effect that > libXpm was not found -- at least, that's what it looked like to me. > Unfortunately, I don't have the log handy to confirm the exact wording. Ummm. Don't run Caldera? ;) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From isla0005 at tc.umn.edu Sat Sep 30 00:59:07 2000 From: isla0005 at tc.umn.edu (apu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21868] FreeBSD References: Message-ID: <39D5812B.4DA7D7BA@tc.umn.edu> Please Include me in the list if you make one. isla0005@tc.umn.edu FreeBSD is quite awesome for solaris and BSD users. Au Yaron wrote: > Hi, > > On Sat, 30 Sep 2000, Callum Lerwick wrote: > > > > I was thinking of starting a Twin Cities FreeBSD Mailing List... > > Is there any BSD users groups in the TC area? I haven't heard of any... > > I looked for one but couldn't find it, which is why I was thinking of > starting one. Maybe if I have time tomorrow. > > -Yaron > > -- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Sat Sep 30 22:58:14 2000 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21868] FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <39D5812B.4DA7D7BA@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: Hi, On Fri, 29 Sep 2000, apu wrote: > Please Include me in the list if you make one. If I make one, I'll announce it and people can come over and subscribe themselves (; -Yaron -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Sat Sep 30 23:20:26 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21868] FreeBSD References: <39D5812B.4DA7D7BA@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <39D6BB8A.6708F841@tcfreenet.org> > > > > I was thinking of starting a Twin Cities FreeBSD Mailing List... > > > Is there any BSD users groups in the TC area? I haven't heard of any... > > > > I looked for one but couldn't find it, which is why I was thinking of > > starting one. Maybe if I have time tomorrow. Dare we make a BSD arm of TCLUG? Opening up TCLUG to all open source unixish OS's might be... worthwhile. But starting infighting would be bad... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dcsherman at uswest.net Sat Sep 30 23:21:30 2000 From: dcsherman at uswest.net (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21873] New Thread: desktop vs. wm (WAS Re: [TCLUG:21837]Your guys'/gals' favorite GUI/WM) References: Message-ID: <39D6BBCA.6F97C4E3@uswest.net> Yes, I suspected this might be an issue, and made a couple of soft links from the actual library files (in /usr/X11R6/something) to /usr/lib. Perhaps I overlooked something -- I will take a close look on Sunday afternoon, if I have the time. Dave andy@theasis.com wrote: > > As I recall from my own use of afterstep, I always had to fiddle around > and make symlinks from where it really is to where Afterstep thinks it > wants to find it. > > Sorry I can't give you more specifics, but hopefully that clue will be of > some use. > > Andy > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Quid quid latine dictum sit, altum viditur. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From dcsherman at uswest.net Sat Sep 30 23:27:03 2000 From: dcsherman at uswest.net (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21873] New Thread: desktop vs. wm (WAS Re: [TCLUG:21837] Your guys'/gals' favorite GUI/WM) References: <39D52462.99208708@uswest.net> <20000930094246.A60491@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <39D5FF80.E23865E2@uswest.net> <39D6433B.D34EFA3F@tcfreenet.org> <39D65336.C692ACA8@uswest.net> <39D666A6.A5F340F@tcfreenet.org> <39D6849D.11B0EE89@uswest.net> <39D69386.1093CE6D@tcfreenet.org> <39D69E81.66CFAF06@uswest.net> <39D6AC87.E769DEBE@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <39D6BD17.FC966579@uswest.net> Heh. Sad part is, I switched from Redhat 6.0 last winter, because I was having all sorts of trouble with it, to the point where it would no longer even boot. In disgust, I decided to try Caldera's eDesktop 2.4, which I saw at CompUSA for a good price (~$30, IIRC). Anywho, OpenLinux has been running perfectly for me since the original install, which went flawlessly. I know some of you have poor opinions of Caldera and/or their distro, but for me, as a relatively new user, it has been a good match. Would I use it to run a server? Probably not. But this is my ThinkPad, used for web access, business document writing, network testing and troubleshooting, and telnet access to our own and other clients' servers. For those objectives, it fits the bill. Dave Callum Lerwick wrote: > > Dave Sherman wrote: > > > > I'm running Caldera eDesktop 2.4. For what it's worth, even after > > downloading the latest elf tarball for libXpm and installing it, it > > seems that AfterStep's configure script still does not see the xpm lib. > > Watching the messages scroll by, there's a message to the effect that > > libXpm was not found -- at least, that's what it looked like to me. > > Unfortunately, I don't have the log handy to confirm the exact wording. > > Ummm. Don't run Caldera? ;) > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org -- Quid quid latine dictum sit, altum viditur. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Sat Sep 30 23:50:01 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21783] RH 7 - xinetd References: <39D58D98.8F34EF38@tcfreenet.org> <20000930015607.E23309@wookimus.net> <39D59A30.702668FA@tcfreenet.org> <20000930094941.B60491@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <39D6C279.FEEDB3@tcfreenet.org> dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > Yeah, but IRIX had it first. RedHAt copied it. Also, if any one noticed, > I see RedHat has also copied NSD from IRIX. Interesting... NSD? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From lerwick at tcfreenet.org Sat Sep 30 23:50:50 2000 From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:09:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:21869] odd console message References: <200009301353.IAA09047@antares.cloudnet.com> Message-ID: <39D6C2AA.FB24A913@tcfreenet.org> Brian wrote: > > I'm consistently getting a message on the console that's really bugging > me. Every so often, it prints 'hdd: ATAPI 40X CD-ROM drive, 128K Cache'. > There's no error, and I haven't noticed any problems with the drive. I'm > running RH 7.0, but it was doing it on Pinstripe also. Any ideas?? Sounds like auto module loading. You using an evil automounter or something? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org From spencer at sihope.com Sat Sep 9 08:15:55 2000 From: spencer at sihope.com (mud pie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sis 900 NIC Message-ID: <39BA380B.EC6E111B@sihope.com> I have a M754 pcChis MB with an sis 900 NIC. SuSE 7.0 will recognize this as such. However, it will not assign it a MAC Address. This is consistant with another board. I put in an Intel 82557 and it works fine. I would like to know if anyone else has experienced this. And more importantly, what is the solution. -Spencer Undergound