From hector4 at unete.com Wed Apr 4 13:35:54 2001 From: hector4 at unete.com (pabangel@yahoo.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:17:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Celeron 566 $30 Message-ID: <031801c0bd3b$cae80fa0$8ef3fea9@r5y9n7> Skipped content of type multipart/related-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: celeron.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 13768 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010404/dd362fd0/celeron.jpg From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Sun Apr 1 03:41:10 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP Seerver setup In-Reply-To: <200103290939.f2T9dHl15686@sprite.real-time.com>; from jwanderson@uswest.net on Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 03:39:16AM -0600 References: <200103282337.f2SNbHl06205@sprite.real-time.com>; <20010329004838.Q21084@ringworld.org> <200103290939.f2T9dHl15686@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010401034110.G27270@ringworld.org> > I know, but I can't get any newer RH installed (only 8M > of ram) may have to try debian (per the zealots 8^} ) Do you know how much ram is these days? :) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@efnet So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm going to try and attache a shell script that kinda checks for the most common problems. If it doesn't work, hop on to irc.openprojects.net, join #nvidia, /msg ice-dcc xdcc list and get the file from there. (Also ask for help) -- | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | | This message is protected by double ROT13 | | encryption. Any attempt to circumvent the | | digital protection is banned by the DMCA. | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: nv_check.sh Type: application/x-sh Size: 11077 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010401/970ffa4b/nv_check.sh From ¦Ê®a¼Öºô¸ô§Y®É¨t²Î at real-time.com Sun Apr 1 07:19:50 2001 From: ¦Ê®a¼Öºô¸ô§Y®É¨t²Î at real-time.com (¦Ê®a¼Öºô¸ô§Y®É¨t²Î@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] =?big5?Q?=A7=B9=A5=FE=A7K=B6O=B0e=B1z2000=A4=B8!!?= Message-ID: <200104011219.f31CJmG25493@sprite.real-time.com> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative From scott.w.fischer at att.net Sun Apr 1 09:05:28 2001 From: scott.w.fischer at att.net (Scott W Fischer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Opera 5.0 beta7 released In-Reply-To: <20010329182756.4b896fc1.blayer@qwest.net> References: <3AC36122.B861A2A2@talkware.net> <20010329182756.4b896fc1.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <01040109052801.00976@scott.imaginivity.net> Thursday 29 March 2001 18:27, Bill Layer wrote: > The subject line says it all, you owe it to yourself to look at the new > Opera if you use a GUI browser with any regularity. They are really > getting good, I look forward to the first full release. I've been using Opera 5 beta 6 for several months and have really liked it. There are a couple of quirky cookie things but in general it's been pretty solid. I did get used to 1-2 crashes per week. From the changes docs for beta 7, I think these will go away. -swf -- Scott Fischer - scott.w.fischer@att.net From jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us Sun Apr 1 09:20:07 2001 From: jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us (Jim Kaufman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sendfax & mgetty In-Reply-To: <20010329182603.3a7fe9d9.blayer@qwest.net>; from blayer@qwest.net on Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 06:26:03PM -0600 References: <3AC36122.B861A2A2@talkware.net> <20010329182603.3a7fe9d9.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20010401092006.A6222@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> Bill, You really do want to use mgetty for faxes. I don't use agetty (I use mingetty on my consoles), but you will use mgetty only on the serial line(s) with modems (/dev/ttyS1, /dev/ttyS2...). While mgetty is waiting for incoming faxes, you are free to use that modem for dialing out. Just be careful to use device locking correctly, that is both your dial out (ppp, minicom, whatever) should be using the same devie (/dev/ttyS1) that mgetty is using. Give it a try. If you have problems, drop a question on the list. Here is a snippet from my /etc/inittab: # Run gettys in standard runlevels 1:12345:respawn:/sbin/mingetty tty1 2:2345:respawn:/sbin/mingetty tty2 3:2345:respawn:/sbin/mingetty tty3 4:2345:respawn:/sbin/mingetty tty4 5:2345:respawn:/sbin/mingetty tty5 6:2345:respawn:/sbin/mingetty tty6 s2:2345:respawn:/usr/local/sbin/mgetty ttyS1 -n 3 -x 6 On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 06:26:03PM -0600, Bill Layer wrote: > I'm trying to get set up to send & recieve faxes.. Sendfax seems simple enough, > but what is the deal with mgetty? Why is it required, and does it replace agetty? > Is it possible to use a modem to recieve faxes, and still have that modem generally > available to other software when it's not in the process of recieving a fax? > > Anyone have these set up? Is there a better set of programs for faxes (I looked at > Hylafax, it seems too large-scale for my very basic fax needs... or is it?) > > Thanks, > > -- > > > -.bill.layer.- > > -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- > > -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jim Kaufman mailto:jmk@kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us Linux Consultant, CCNA Eden Prairie, MN 55346 home: 952-934-4851 fax: 952-937-9832 --- Get hold of portable property. -- Charles Dickens, "Great Expectations" From jwanderson at uswest.net Sun Apr 1 12:12:03 2001 From: jwanderson at uswest.net (Jay W. Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP Seerver setup In-Reply-To: <20010401034110.G27270@ringworld.org> References: <200103290939.f2T9dHl15686@sprite.real-time.com>; from jwanderson@uswest.net on Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 03:39:16AM -0600 Message-ID: <200104011712.f31HC0G29580@sprite.real-time.com> On 1 Apr 01, at 3:41, Scott Dier wrote: > > I know, but I can't get any newer RH installed (only 8M > > of ram) may have to try debian (per the zealots 8^} ) > > Do you know how much ram is these days? :) > Yes. Stupid BIOS. Pucks w/ram>8M, )-; Jay From hutera at mediaone.net Sun Apr 1 12:54:59 2001 From: hutera at mediaone.net (Hutera) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #823 - 16 msgs References: <200103310704.f2V74tG31263@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <3AC76B73.5BBD4EA7@mediaone.net> Iis your card a AGP or PCI version ? Steve tclug-list-request@mn-linux.org wrote: > Send tclug-list mailing list submissions to > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > tclug-list-request@mn-linux.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of tclug-list digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Mailman just too slow (Thomas T. Veldhouse) > 2. Re: Mailman just too slow (Bob Tanner) > 3. video cards for Redhat 7.0 (Scott Dagastino) > 4. OT: VLAN and Token Ring? (Bob Tanner) > 5. Building RPMs passing things to make? (Bob Tanner) > 6. Re: Mailman just too slow (Ben Lutgens) > 7. Re: Mailman just too slow (Scott Dier) > 8. Re: Building RPMs passing things to make? (Troy Johnson) > 9. NIS (I R Baboon) > 10. Re: compatitble video cards for RedHat 7.0 (Andy Zbikowski) > 11. Re: NIS (I R Baboon) > 12. Re: [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Next Meeting: 4/7 High Availability Clustering (Tom Hudak) > 13. Power Converter (Perry Hoekstra) > 14. Problems compiling X: makedepend/Imakefile errors - HELP!? (Paul Wiechman) > 15. RE: Power Converter (Matthew M. LaBerge) > 16. Re: compatitble video cards for RedHat 7.0 (Doug Hanson) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" > To: > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Mailman just too slow > Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 11:51:50 -0600 > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > What MTA? I understand performance sucks with Mailman/Sendmail. Try > Mailman/Postfix. It was developed under this combination. > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Tanner" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 8:19 PM > Subject: [TCLUG] Mailman just too slow > > > Mailman is just too slow. > > > > Majordomo is just to old. > > > > Ezmlm is just to hard to non-techincal people to understand. > > > > Any other choices out there? > > > > -- > > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 12:37:50 -0600 > From: Bob Tanner > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Mailman just too slow > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Quoting I R Baboon (ben@nerp.net): > > if i remember right, sourceforge uses mailman, and they send a couple > > hundred thousand emails before lunchtime. I've never heard of mailman > > being "slow" > > If a subsriber's address does not have an MX record, the mailman hangs on trying > to deliver that mail message for hours. > > I have posted a bug to mailman on this. > > So, what options in sendmail can I use to help speed up delivery? > > If a host is down? > > If address does not have MX record? > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > --__--__-- > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 06:59:01 -0800 (PST) > From: Scott Dagastino > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] video cards for Redhat 7.0 > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > I am running RedHat 7.0 and looking at getting a > different video card that is compatiable with RH7.0. > I'm looking for a 32mb video card that installation > and ease of installing with RH is very simple. Any > suggestions. > > Scott > --- "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > Actually, once you get qmail installed, ezmlm is > > pretty easy. Qmail tends > > to be the annoying piece since you can't use ezmlm > > with anything else. > > > > Log in as the user "tclug", follow the generic > > ezmlm-make command in the > > ezmlm faq to make the list tclug-list, and load your > > addresses from mailman > > into it with something like "cat addresses.txt | > > xargs --max-args 20 > > ezmlm-sub ~/list" > > > > And it's ready to go. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Bob Tanner [mailto:tanner@real-time.com] > > > Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 8:20 PM > > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > Subject: [TCLUG] Mailman just too slow > > > > > > > > > Mailman is just too slow. > > > > > > Majordomo is just to old. > > > > > > Ezmlm is just to hard to non-techincal people to > > understand. > > > > > > Any other choices out there? > > > > > > -- > > > Bob Tanner | Phone : > > (952)943-8700 > > > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : > > (952)943-8500 > > > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 > > 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text > > --__--__-- > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:38:35 -0600 > From: Bob Tanner > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] OT: VLAN and Token Ring? > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Can you do VLANs under Token Ring? > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > --__--__-- > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:49:20 -0600 > From: Bob Tanner > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Building RPMs passing things to make? > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > I have looked, but cannot find a way to pass options to make when using rpm to > build a package. > > I want to pass make a "-j 2" so I can take advantage of my dual CPUs. > > Passing things to gcc is not a problem, CFLAGS, LDFLAGS, etc.. Is there an > equivalent for make? > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > --__--__-- > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:03:11 -0600 > From: Ben Lutgens > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Mailman just too slow > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > --m51xatjYGsM+13rf > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Disposition: inline > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > On Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 12:37:50PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > >Quoting I R Baboon (ben@nerp.net): > >> if i remember right, sourceforge uses mailman, and they send a couple > >> hundred thousand emails before lunchtime. I've never heard of mailman > >> being "slow" > > > >If a subsriber's address does not have an MX record, the mailman hangs on = > trying > >to deliver that mail message for hours. > > > >I have posted a bug to mailman on this. > > > >So, what options in sendmail can I use to help speed up delivery? > > > >If a host is down? > > > >If address does not have MX record? > > > > I use qmail and don't have these problems. Just my .02 but qmail kicks ass. > --=20 > Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 > Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 > Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) > > "I'm opening the "Paige" cache, anyone wanna cycle a few buffers?" > Mike Tilstra - Refering to a pop machine containing James Paige beer. > > --m51xatjYGsM+13rf > Content-Type: application/pgp-signature > Content-Disposition: inline > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iD8DBQE6xOZ/LxkxGgLdGQgRAjddAJ4vVfvm9bPq9S0P6r61U4mbuyNb8wCfStvY > o4qVaib0ZiPzpRqVcgBK+yg= > =R1ze > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > --m51xatjYGsM+13rf-- > > --__--__-- > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:03:32 -0600 > From: Scott Dier > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Mailman just too slow > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > --d01dLTUuW90fS44H > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Disposition: inline > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > * Bob Tanner [010330 13:31]: > > Quoting I R Baboon (ben@nerp.net): > > > if i remember right, sourceforge uses mailman, and they send a couple > > > hundred thousand emails before lunchtime. I've never heard of mailman > > > being "slow" > >=20 > > If a subsriber's address does not have an MX record, the mailman hangs on= > trying > > to deliver that mail message for hours. > > Has anyone even looked at the code that it hangs on, this should be a > Simple Matter of Programming. > > mostly of the sort.. > > check something like 'host -t MX address.host.name' > > then, if that doesn't exist, try connecting directly to > address.host.name > > if you cant connect to address.host.name within 1min, stop and add one > to the bounce count for that user. > > otherwise, try the MX record, do the same. > > Does mailman not do that? I dont have the time atm to check the code, > and i hate python :) > > --=20 > Scott Dier > http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@efnet > > So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant > > --d01dLTUuW90fS44H > Content-Type: application/pgp-signature > Content-Disposition: inline > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iD8DBQE6xOaUyXQl+65LXZIRAnmcAJ9aqJaK+Nxnkws8EJZkibNfqa190QCeISvB > 1TBlsCADRkLABDySPPX3+vg= > =b91O > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > --d01dLTUuW90fS44H-- > > --__--__-- > > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 15:04:08 -0600 > From: "Troy Johnson" > To: > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Building RPMs passing things to make? > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > I'm not an authority, but MAKEFLAGS might do it for GNU make. > > >>> tanner@real-time.com 03/30/01 01:49PM >>> > I have looked, but cannot find a way to pass options to make when using rpm to > build a package. > > I want to pass make a "-j 2" so I can take advantage of my dual CPUs. > > Passing things to gcc is not a problem, CFLAGS, LDFLAGS, etc.. Is there an > equivalent for make? > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > --__--__-- > > Message: 9 > Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:14:09 -0600 (CST) > From: I R Baboon > To: > Subject: [TCLUG] NIS > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > ok.. I have a nice shiny new NIS server, debian potato, all setup, and > happy. (this is a major upgrade from the SunOS 4.1.4 box :) > everything transfered smothly, and the clients are allready switched over > to the new server, but the only problem i've found so far is yppasswd. > the server is running yppasswdd, and it's supposedly working, but none of > the clients seem to think so: > yppasswd: yppasswdd not running on NIS master host > > that's no fun :( > > Thank You, > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > --__--__-- > > Message: 10 > Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 09:45:18 -0600 > From: Andy Zbikowski > Organization: LTI Flexible Products > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] compatitble video cards for RedHat 7.0 > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > I know there is a compatibility list at redhat.com, > > but does anyone have any recommendations for a 32mb > > ram video card that will work just fine with RH 7.0. > > I would be looking at ease of use being very/very/very > > easy. > > Just about any card is easy as long as you don't want 3D acceleration. There > is no easy way to get 3D acceleration working. You have to read the > documents and follow the instructions to get that. (And you thought it was > going to be hard!) Anyway, > > Anyway, Nvidia cards have seen the greatest steps forward and there still > isn't anything that competes with the GeForce2 cards. I'm perfectly happy > with my TNT2 however. G400 based cards are falling behind the curve 3D > acceleration wise, but they have a nice feature set that may appeal to you > if gaming is secondary. 2D on G200 and G400 cards is second to none. > > And between the g400 and the GeForce2 falls the Radeon. I haven't played > with one yet, but it does have DRI support, and 3D acceleration on earlier > ATI cards worked. The card has been out long enough that the drivers should > have caught up. > > I can't think of any current cards that won't get you up and running in > XFree86, but stay with the big 3 (Matrix, Nvidia, ATI). You might be able to > find a Vodoo3,4 or 5 for cheap, but alas, 3dfx is no more. > > -- > Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com > LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 > 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 > Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 > > --__--__-- > > Message: 11 > Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 17:49:11 -0600 (CST) > From: I R Baboon > To: > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] NIS > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > nevermind.. for some reason (my stupidity) the hostname was not right. > > Thank You, > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > --__--__-- > > Message: 12 > Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 10:13:44 -0600 > From: Tom Hudak > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Next Meeting: 4/7 High Availability Clustering > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > --JYK4vJDZwFMowpUq > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Disposition: inline > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 12:56:10PM -0600, Amy Tanner wrote: > >Date: Saturday, April 7 > >Time: noon-2pm > >Location:=20 > > Benchmark Computer Learning Center > > 4510 West 77th St > > Edina, MN > >Directions: > > http://www.benchmarklearning.com/Directions_to_Benchmark.asp > > > >Topic: High Availability Clustering for Linux > >Presenter: Greg Haney, SteelEye > Do you need a projector for this one? > Thanks, > --=20 > Thomas J. Hudak > Systems Administrator > Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com > Phone: 612.379.3951 Page: 612.318.1967 > Fax: 612.379.3952 > > --JYK4vJDZwFMowpUq > Content-Type: application/pgp-signature > Content-Disposition: inline > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iD8DBQE6xLC3Nsw/4hUS2O0RAjrcAKCNL8y6+nZkdZcu9OGiI1120B+K2QCfeXbL > xfAcq592NMv8MoIKc5fLZ9k= > =3C7S > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > --JYK4vJDZwFMowpUq-- > > --__--__-- > > Message: 13 > Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 19:04:43 -0600 > From: "Perry Hoekstra" > To: "tclug-list@mn-linux.org" > Subject: [TCLUG] Power Converter > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Greet the sun all: > > Does anyone know where I can purchase some three to four pin > converters? I am putting in some extra fans in my box an I am looking > some converters to plug into my ATX power supply. I have tried both > Tran Micro and my local Radio Shack with no joy. > > Thank you, > > -- > Perry Hoekstra > E-Commerce Architect > Talent Software Services > perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com > > --__--__-- > > Message: 14 > Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 19:32:27 -0600 > From: Paul Wiechman > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Problems compiling X: makedepend/Imakefile errors - HELP!? > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > All, > > Anyone come across this error when trying to compile XFree86? This > occurs at the same place on every 3 & 4 version of X. > > Thanks for any help. > > Paul > > Building Release 6.4 of the X Window System. > > I hope you checked the configuration parameters in ./config/cf > to see if you need to pass BOOTSTRAPCFLAGS. > > Fri Mar 30 19:22:52 CST 2001 > > cd ./config/imake && make -f Makefile.ini BOOTSTRAPCFLAGS="" CC="cc" > clean > make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/local/src/xc/config/imake' > rm -f ccimake imake.o imake > rm -f *.CKP *.ln *.BAK *.bak *.o core errs ,* *~ *.a tags TAGS make.log > \#* > rm -f -r Makefile.proto Makefile Makefile.dep bootstrap > make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/xc/config/imake' > make Makefile.boot > make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/local/src/xc' > cd ./config/imake && make -w -f Makefile.ini BOOTSTRAPCFLAGS="" CC="cc" > make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/src/xc/config/imake' > making imake with BOOTSTRAPCFLAGS= in config/imake > cc -o ccimake -O -I../../include -I../../imports/x11/include/X11 > ccimake.c > cc -c -O -I../../include -I../../imports/x11/include/X11 `./ccimake` > imake.c > cc -o imake -O -I../../include -I../../imports/x11/include/X11 imake.o > make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/xc/config/imake' > rm -f ./config/makedepend/Makefile.proto > ./config/imake/imake -I./config/cf -s > ./config/makedepend/Makefile.proto -f ./config/makedepend/Imakefile > -DTOPDIR=../.. -DCURDIR=./config/makedepend > In file included from config/cf/Imake.tmpl:1724, > from Imakefile.c:32: > config/makedepend/Imakefile:48: unterminated string or character > constant > config/makedepend/Imakefile:21: possible real start of unterminated > constant > config/makedepend/Imakefile:19: unterminated `#if' conditional > ./config/imake/imake: Exit code 1. > Stop. > make[1]: *** [config/makedepend/Makefile.proto] Error 1 > make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/xc' > make: *** [World] Error 2 > > --__--__-- > > Message: 15 > From: "Matthew M. LaBerge" > To: > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Power Converter > Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 21:11:22 -0600 > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > http://2cooltek.safeshopper.com/ > > ---Office Bitch--- > "At your service sir... anything for a raise sir." > labmat@mn.mediaone.net > labmat@augusttech.com > http://www.labmat.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On > Behalf Of Perry Hoekstra > Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 7:05 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Power Converter > > Greet the sun all: > > Does anyone know where I can purchase some three to four pin > converters? I am putting in some extra fans in my box an I am looking > some converters to plug into my ATX power supply. I have tried both > Tran Micro and my local Radio Shack with no joy. > > Thank you, > > -- > Perry Hoekstra > E-Commerce Architect > Talent Software Services > perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > --__--__-- > > Message: 16 > Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 10:31:48 -0600 > From: "Doug Hanson" > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] compatitble video cards for RedHat 7.0 > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > My 32mb Matrox G400 works just fine under 7 > > Doug > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Dagastino" > To: > Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 8:12 AM > Subject: [TCLUG] compatitble video cards for RedHat 7.0 > > > I'm currently running RedHat 7.0 on a Athlon 900. I > > only have a 8mb video card and looking for a 32mb > > card. > > > > I know there is a compatibility list at redhat.com, > > but does anyone have any recommendations for a 32mb > > ram video card that will work just fine with RH 7.0. > > I would be looking at ease of use being very/very/very > > easy. > > > > Scott > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > End of tclug-list Digest From dd-b at dd-b.net Sun Apr 1 14:14:13 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Opera 5.0 beta7 released In-Reply-To: <20010329182756.4b896fc1.blayer@qwest.net> References: <3AC36122.B861A2A2@talkware.net> <20010329182756.4b896fc1.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: "Bill Layer" writes: > The subject line says it all, you owe it to yourself to look at the new Opera > if you use a GUI browser with any regularity. They are really getting good, > I look forward to the first full release. > > PS Mozilla (0.81?) still dies over here, Mozilla .81 runs nicely on my 2.2.16 kernel system; much better than Netscape. The Opera beta isn't bad; I use opera as my primary browser on windows, and the Linux version seems to be coming along nicely. -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From austad at marketwatch.com Sun Apr 1 14:51:56 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] reverse proxy/web accelerators Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109729@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> I was doing some testing and I was able to server around 550 requests/sec with squid, and about 1100 with apache, both under linux. Squid with freeBSD was maxing out at around 330 requests/sec, but I was getting an error that said it couldn't allocate more memory for mbufs or something like that. Why is the default FD_SETSIZE in the kernel set so low? Most systems now can handle much more that systems built 2 years ago. When trying to build a high performance server, it makes it extremely annoying. I had to do modify the kernel to get more concurrency out of qmail also. FreeBSD allows you to change this on the fly with sysctl, but it seems there are some other bottlenecks that you can only fix with a recompile. ARGH! > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom [mailto:chrome@real-time.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 2:49 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] reverse proxy/web accelerators > > > > Besides Squid, are there any other high performance reverse > proxies/cache > > servers for Linux? How do they compare with squid? > > I heard once that Apache+some proxying module, was a better cache than > squid. It was a while ago, and I don't remember much more than that. > > Squid has probably gotten better, tho. :) > > Carl Soderstrom > -- > Network Engineer > Real-Time Enterprises > (952) 943-8700 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jasonj at innominatus.org Sun Apr 1 15:27:34 2001 From: jasonj at innominatus.org (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux quake3 problem References: <3AC6ABD0.21314DEC@innominatus.org> <3AC6EA4B.DA29DDF1@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <3AC78F36.1CBC8106@innominatus.org> Excellent. Thank you sir. I had all the nvidia stuff and the mesa stuff. BUT my only problem was to put /usr/lib/nvidia-glx in ld.so.conf and make sure it was before any dir with any other libGL stuff. So now quake3 runs, BUT now I am having problems getting the sound to work. I have a via686 onboard sound card. The chipset is VIA694, the one used on the ABIT VP6 and the MSI694D Dual cpu mobo's. Sound Inialization sections starts and then Signal 11! and it crashes. I found one message on a board telling people to do "echo Playback quake3.x86 0 0 disable >/proc/asound/0/pcmD0o". The guy said that was suppose to get sound working. For me it made quake get past the sound initialization section and quake ran ok, but no sound at all. I checked to see if anything was using the sound card. lsof |grep sound lsof |grep dsp ps aux |grep sound ps aux |grep arts No sound stuff running play /usr/share/licq/sounds/Monty-Python.wav That worked ok. If anyone has a FAQ or suggestion or irc room I can go to for help I would appreciate it. This will bring me one mighty step closer to never having to boot to windows again!! "Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)" wrote: > If you're using Debian, grab the nvidia-glx-src and nvidia-kernel-src > packages and use make-kpkg to build your kernel. This simplifies some > packagin issues. > > The only mesa releated packages you should have installed are xlibmesa (and > the dev package) If you have anything else, purge! (also purge 3dfx) > > Then make sure your libGL.so is the one from Nvidia package and not from > xlibmesa. (if you're using the packages mentioned above, you'll need to use > dpkg --force-overwrite -i to install the resultion nvidia-glx package.) > > I'm going to try and attache a shell script that kinda checks for the most > common problems. If it doesn't work, hop on to irc.openprojects.net, join > #nvidia, /msg ice-dcc xdcc list and get the file from there. (Also ask for > help) > > -- > | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | > | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | > | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | > | This message is protected by double ROT13 | > | encryption. Any attempt to circumvent the | > | digital protection is banned by the DMCA. | > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Name: nv_check.sh > nv_check.sh Type: Bourne Shell Program (application/x-sh) > Encoding: 7bit From jpschewe at mtu.net Sun Apr 1 17:23:49 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] User Friendly today Message-ID: Anyone manage to catch the ransom notice on today's User Friendly? I've got a script that grabs my comcs at 6am and I found this image. It wasn't on the site when I looked later this morning. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: userfriendly-20010401.gif Type: image/gif Size: 154582 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010401/ddcea907/userfriendly-20010401.gif -------------- next part -------------- -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From austad at marketwatch.com Sun Apr 1 18:16:49 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TRENDnet PCcards from General Nanosystems Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10972D@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> USB Nic's suck because of the slow transfer speed of USB. If you are only using the box for internet access and not local network traffic (file sharing, etc.), then you probably won't notice. > -----Original Message----- > From: Munir Nassar [mailto:m_nassar@yahoo.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 3:04 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] TRENDnet PCcards from General Nanosystems > > > anybody out there use the trendnet 'TRENDnet? TU-ET100 > 10/100 USB Ethernet Adapter'? the 3com PCI that i use > now is on loan and the owner wants it back so i am > thinking of getting a USB NIC... are they any good? do > they work with linux? doesnt USB have a 1.5Mbps speed > limit? > > any help would be apreciated... > > -munir > > ===== > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > Version: 3.12 > GAT GIT dpu- s:- a19 C++ UL P+ L+(++) E--- W+ N+ w(--) K? O-- > M- V- PS+ PE-(--) Y-- PGP-(---) t 5+++ X R tv-- b+++ D++ DI++ > G e+ h+() r- y+ UF++ > ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jamie at getsetnet.net Sun Apr 1 21:41:32 2001 From: jamie at getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Beginnings of Charlie Root Message-ID: Does anyone know how the name Charlie Root came into being? -- "It's pretty hard to stop a man who eats his toast every morning." From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Apr 2 00:07:51 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB in 2.4 Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109733@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Does anyone have USB working correctly in kernel 2.4?? I just upgraded to 2.4 on my desktop box which runs Mandrake 7.2. Mandrake had a usb startup script to do a bunch of stuff. Do I need this script with 2.4? Or can I just put everything in /etc/modules.conf to make it work? Does anyone have the options I need in modules.conf to load USB properly? I can get it to sorta work with the script, my CF card reader works, but my USB scanner doesn't work anymore. I get a "Can't locate module char-major-81" when trying to access the scanner (without the TV card modules loaded). If I load the TV card modules, they seem to use char-major-81, and I get an error from my scanner program that says it's a v4l device, not a scanner. Doh... Jay From ¥i·Rªº°Êª«©R½L at real-time.com Mon Apr 2 00:28:14 2001 From: ¥i·Rªº°Êª«©R½L at real-time.com (¥i·Rªº°Êª«©R½L@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] =?big5?Q?=A5=DF=A8=E8=B6E=C2_=A7A=A9p=AA=BA=AD=D3=A9=CA=A1B=A5=BB=BD=E8=A1B=AA=ED=AD=B1=A1B=B7N=A7=D3=A1B=ADy=B9D=A1B=BDt=A4=C0...?= Message-ID: <200104020528.f325SDG09104@sprite.real-time.com> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative From jts at tc.umn.edu Mon Apr 2 00:40:24 2001 From: jts at tc.umn.edu (Joel T Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: bootable biz card blanks In-Reply-To: <200104020517.f325HXG08954@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: andy@theasis.com wrote: > Can someone point me at a local vendor who sells the business card-sized > CD-R blanks? > > Failing that, how about an online vendor who can ship pretty quickly? http://cdroutlet.com/ From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Apr 2 01:31:05 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GeForce Dualhead? Message-ID: Hi, Ok, I'm toally dissapointed in Matrox. Sure, excellent 2D cards, but the 3D on them _sucks_. A lot. Not only under Linux. I do SO like Dualhead though. Anyone know if the dualhead nvidia GeForce cards work under Linux? -Yaron -- From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Apr 2 01:39:52 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: USB in 2.4 Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109736@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Doh, Mandrake installed the sane config files in a different location than the tarball that I compiled. It was looking for a SCSI scanner instead of the USB one because I had modified the wrong file. Who knows why it worked before.... Do I still need the usb init scripts though, or can I just load all that stuff in the modules.conf file? Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Austad, Jay > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 12:08 AM > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > Subject: USB in 2.4 > > > Does anyone have USB working correctly in kernel 2.4?? I > just upgraded to 2.4 on my desktop box which runs Mandrake > 7.2. Mandrake had a usb startup script to do a bunch of > stuff. Do I need this script with 2.4? Or can I just put > everything in /etc/modules.conf to make it work? Does anyone > have the options I need in modules.conf to load USB properly? > > I can get it to sorta work with the script, my CF card reader > works, but my USB scanner doesn't work anymore. I get a > "Can't locate module char-major-81" when trying to access the > scanner (without the TV card modules loaded). If I load the > TV card modules, they seem to use char-major-81, and I get an > error from my scanner program that says it's a v4l device, > not a scanner. Doh... > > Jay > From tanner at real-time.com Mon Apr 2 01:47:12 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ftp.mn-linux.org down Message-ID: <20010402014712.J14300@real-time.com> I have taken ftp.mn-linux.org down for a couple of days. Why? I took the ftp server offline for a re-org of the redhat mirror. Long story, summary, redhat is re-arranging their mirrors and we have to fall in line. Anyway, I left all current transfers finish. On Apr 1st, Real Time got a major DoS against ftp.mn-linux.org, which I can only assume it's because some script kiddie got ticked off that I took down his favorite debian/redhat/slackware/kernel mirror. After working with UUNet and Sprint to quell the attack, they switched to our web server. Worked with UUNet and Sprint again, again quelled the attack. Well, the attack was pretty broad. ICMP, TCP, UDP, SYN, etc.. Mostly target at the ftp server and web servers. So, to keep the on-call pager from keeping up all night. I ftpshut ftp.mn-linux.org down until the script kiddies get bored with us. Sorry about the inconvience. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From administrator at ltiflex.com Mon Apr 2 02:15:49 2001 From: administrator at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux quake3 problem References: <3AC6ABD0.21314DEC@innominatus.org> <3AC6EA4B.DA29DDF1@ringworld.org> <3AC78F36.1CBC8106@innominatus.org> Message-ID: <3AC82725.E62CC0A5@ltiflex.com> Last time I used my Via chipset sound I was using alsa, and it worked fine in Quake3. (Onboard sound for a Via KT-133 chipset.) I've since moved to a SB Live however. :) -- | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | | This message is protected by double ROT13 | | encryption. Any attempt to circumvent the | | digital protection is banned by the DMCA. | From jonathankl_2001 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 2 06:48:02 2001 From: jonathankl_2001 at yahoo.com (Jonathan Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TRENDnet PCcards from General Nanosystems In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10972D@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010402114802.62865.qmail@web13408.mail.yahoo.com> I agree, USB NICS suck! On a side note, check price watch They usually have 3C0m 10/100 590's for about 45 bucks! --- "Austad, Jay" wrote: > USB Nic's suck because of the slow transfer speed of USB. If you > are only > using the box for internet access and not local network traffic > (file > sharing, etc.), then you probably won't notice. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Munir Nassar [mailto:m_nassar@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 3:04 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: [TCLUG] TRENDnet PCcards from General Nanosystems > > > > > > anybody out there use the trendnet 'TRENDnet® TU-ET100 > > 10/100 USB Ethernet Adapter'? the 3com PCI that i use > > now is on loan and the owner wants it back so i am > > thinking of getting a USB NIC... are they any good? do > > they work with linux? doesnt USB have a 1.5Mbps speed > > limit? > > > > any help would be apreciated... > > > > -munir > > > > ===== > > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > > Version: 3.12 > > GAT GIT dpu- s:- a19 C++ UL P+ L+(++) E--- W+ N+ w(--) K? O-- > > M- V- PS+ PE-(--) Y-- PGP-(---) t 5+++ X R tv-- b+++ D++ DI++ > > G e+ h+() r- y+ UF++ > > ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text From RCHanson at Printcraftinc.com Mon Apr 2 07:32:55 2001 From: RCHanson at Printcraftinc.com (Hanson, Bob C. (PC)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: bootable biz card blanks Message-ID: Rich Horton at www.millwind.com is a local small vendor that can get you business card cd's. -----Original Message----- From: Joel T Schneider [mailto:jts@tc.umn.edu] Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 12:40 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] OT: bootable biz card blanks andy@theasis.com wrote: > Can someone point me at a local vendor who sells the business card-sized > CD-R blanks? > > Failing that, how about an online vendor who can ship pretty quickly? http://cdroutlet.com/ _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jasonj at innominatus.org Mon Apr 2 07:43:31 2001 From: jasonj at innominatus.org (Jason Jorgensen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux quake3 problem References: <3AC6ABD0.21314DEC@innominatus.org> <3AC6EA4B.DA29DDF1@ringworld.org> <3AC78F36.1CBC8106@innominatus.org> <3AC82725.E62CC0A5@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <3AC873F3.B4368EDB@innominatus.org> I dont know what the problem is. I downloaded the soldier of fortune demo. That sound played fine as well. Not sure why quake3 is the only thing that doesnt. "Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)" wrote: > Last time I used my Via chipset sound I was using alsa, and it worked fine > in Quake3. (Onboard sound for a Via KT-133 chipset.) I've since moved to a > SB Live however. :) > > -- > | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | > | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | > | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | > | This message is protected by double ROT13 | > | encryption. Any attempt to circumvent the | > | digital protection is banned by the DMCA. | > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zibby at ringworld.org Mon Apr 2 09:08:32 2001 From: zibby at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GeForce Dualhead? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I do SO like Dualhead though. Anyone know if the dualhead nvidia GeForce > cards work under Linux? Yes, they do. You'll have to read the setup html file for info on defining the second head and what not, but after that, you shoudl be all set, and ready to do OpenGL on both heads. Don't curse my name if you buy a card and it doesn't work. I'm still happy with my TNT2, and haven't seen anyone in #nvidia dealing with the dual hard cards. | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | | When in danger, or in doubt, | | run in circles, scream and shout! | From kent at structural-wood.com Mon Apr 2 07:20:28 2001 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GeForce Dualhead? References: Message-ID: <3AC86E8C.C0E04295@structural-wood.com> Yaron wrote: > > Hi, > > Ok, I'm toally dissapointed in Matrox. Sure, excellent 2D cards, but the > 3D on them _sucks_. A lot. Not only under Linux. > > I do SO like Dualhead though. Anyone know if the dualhead nvidia GeForce > cards work under Linux? > > -Yaron > > -- > According the the NVidia FAQ's it does, but I was unable to make my dual head work in the hour I put into the attempt. I have had a long goofy time getting my nvidia card working with 3d correctly, with problems ranging from a flaky video card to motherboard AGP/ nvidia conflicts. With a lot of patience and rereading of discussion groups I was finally able to make it work (note that it really didn't require much but replacing the video card and eliminating the dozens of false paths). At any rate, the 3d struggle dampened my will to fight the dual head fight. I'll take a shot at getting dual head to work again sometime in the next week or so. Two heads are better than one... Kent From kent at structural-wood.com Mon Apr 2 07:22:37 2001 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux quake3 problem References: <3AC6ABD0.21314DEC@innominatus.org> Message-ID: <3AC86F0D.E35F828B@structural-wood.com> What does glxinfo tell you? (type it at a shell prompt). Jason J wrote: > > I am trying to get quake3 to run under linux for the first time. > > I am running the following > > Geforce 2 MX > Debian Unstable updated as of 1 day ago > Xfree 4.02-12 > 2.4.2 custom from debian kernel source > > I have the nvidia drirver/module compiled with this kernel and it is > loaded > > lsmod > Module Size Used by > snd-mixer-oss 5088 1 (autoclean) > snd-card-via686a 7616 1 > snd-mpu401-uart 3072 0 [snd-card-via686a] > snd-rawmidi 10816 0 [snd-mpu401-uart] > snd-seq-device 4288 0 [snd-rawmidi] > snd-ac97-codec 24544 0 [snd-card-via686a] > snd-mixer 25152 0 [snd-mixer-oss snd-ac97-codec] > snd-pcm 33888 0 [snd-card-via686a] > snd-timer 9520 0 [snd-pcm] > snd 37792 1 [snd-mixer-oss snd-card-via686a > snd-mpu401-uart snd-rawmidi snd-seq-device snd-ac97-codec snd-mixer > snd-pcm snd-timer] > NVdriver 626992 12 > usb-storage 21760 0 (unused) > hid 11728 0 (unused) > usb-uhci 22976 0 (unused) > 3c59x 23584 1 > > I get all kinds of different errors because i have tried alot of > different settings and configurations of X. I am run quake in dedicated > mode with no problem. So the problem has to exist with its interaction > with X. And I am sure my XF86Config needs to be setup correctly > > I have copied and pasted some of the vital sections of my XF86Config > below: > Section "Module" > Load "GLcore" > Load "dbe" > Load "dri" > Load "extmod" > Load "glx" > Load "pex5" > Load "record" > Load "xie" > EndSection > > Section "Device" > ### Available Driver options are:- > #Option "SWcursor" > #Option "HWcursor" > #Option "NoAccel" > #Option "ShowCache" > #Option "ShadowFB" > Option "IgnoreEDID" "1" ## Side note, this makes X ignore > what the monitor reports as valid display modes. my monitor can easily > handle 2048x1536, but reports its max res as 1600x1200 > #Option "UseFBDev" > #Option "Rotate" > Identifier "Card0" > Driver "nvidia" > VendorName "NVidia" > BoardName "GeForce2 MX" > BusID "PCI:1:0:0" > VideoRam 32768 > EndSection > > Section "DRI" > Mode 0666 > EndSection > > This machine is a dual boot with Windows 2000 and Quake 3 runs fine from > there. > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Kent Schumacher Structural Wood Corporation 4000 Labore Rd. St. Paul, MN 55110 Phone: (651) 426-8111 Fax: (651) 426-6859 e-mail: kent@structural-wood.com From hahaha at sexyfun.net Mon Apr 2 10:39:40 2001 From: hahaha at sexyfun.net (Hahaha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Snowhite and the Seven Dwarfs - The REAL story! Message-ID: <200104021539.LAA10734@radius8.mohaveaz.com> Today, Snowhite was turning 18. The 7 Dwarfs always where very educated and polite with Snowhite. When they go out work at mornign, they promissed a *huge* surprise. Snowhite was anxious. Suddlently, the door open, and the Seven Dwarfs enter... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Long story, > summary, redhat is re-arranging their mirrors and we have to fall in line. > > Anyway, I left all current transfers finish. > > On Apr 1st, Real Time got a major DoS against ftp.mn-linux.org, which I can only > assume it's because some script kiddie got ticked off that I took down his > favorite debian/redhat/slackware/kernel mirror. > > After working with UUNet and Sprint to quell the attack, they switched to our > web server. Worked with UUNet and Sprint again, again quelled the attack. > > Well, the attack was pretty broad. ICMP, TCP, UDP, SYN, etc.. Mostly target at > the ftp server and web servers. > > So, to keep the on-call pager from keeping up all night. I ftpshut > ftp.mn-linux.org down until the script kiddies get bored with us. > > Sorry about the inconvience. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hahaha at sexyfun.net Mon Apr 2 10:41:17 2001 From: hahaha at sexyfun.net (Hahaha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Snowhite and the Seven Dwarfs - The REAL story! Message-ID: <200104021541.LAA10749@radius8.mohaveaz.com> Today, Snowhite was turning 18. The 7 Dwarfs always where very educated and polite with Snowhite. When they go out work at mornign, they promissed a *huge* surprise. Snowhite was anxious. Suddlently, the door open, and the Seven Dwarfs enter... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: sexy virgin.scr Type: application/octet-stream Size: 23040 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010402/bbe60265/sexyvirgin.obj From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Apr 2 02:24:11 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB hub Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109738@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Has anyone had any success making a USB hub work with kernel 2.4 (2.4.3 specifically). I purchased a Belkin 4 port pocket hub, and my syslog starts filling with some over-current errors on the hub. Shouldn't any hub work, or are there some that don't? Jay From veldy at veldy.net Mon Apr 2 09:23:01 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slashdot moving over to FreeBSD Message-ID: <007b01c0bb80$6ceccc40$3028680a@tgt.com> http://slashdot.org/articles/01/04/02/0326237.shtml Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Apr 2 11:05:09 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GeForce Dualhead? In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Mon, Apr 02, 2001 at 01:31:05AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010402110509.K27270@ringworld.org> * Yaron [010402 04:49]: > Ok, I'm toally dissapointed in Matrox. Sure, excellent 2D cards, but the > 3D on them _sucks_. A lot. Not only under Linux. Primer on opn/#nvidia I think has his twinview card working fine. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@efnet So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Any help would be greatly appreciated. /proc/pci: PCI devices found: Bus 0, device 0, function 0: Host bridge: Intel Unknown device (rev 17). Vendor id=8086. Device id=1130. Fast devsel. Fast back-to-back capable. Master Capable. No bursts. Bus 0, device 2, function 0: VGA compatible controller: Intel Unknown device (rev 17). Vendor id=8086. Device id=1132. Medium devsel. Fast back-to-back capable. IRQ 10. Master Capable. No bursts. Prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xf8000000 [0xf8000008]. Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xf4000000 [0xf4000000]. Bus 0, device 30, function 0: PCI bridge: Intel Unknown device (rev 3). Vendor id=8086. Device id=2448. Fast devsel. Fast back-to-back capable. Master Capable. No bursts. Min Gnt=4. Bus 0, device 31, function 0: ISA bridge: Intel Unknown device (rev 3). Vendor id=8086. Device id=244c. Medium devsel. Fast back-to-back capable. Master Capable. No bursts. Bus 0, device 31, function 1: IDE interface: Intel Unknown device (rev 3). Vendor id=8086. Device id=244a. Medium devsel. Fast back-to-back capable. Master Capable. No bursts. I/O at 0x1800 [0x1801]. Bus 0, device 31, function 2: USB Controller: Intel Unknown device (rev 3). Vendor id=8086. Device id=2442. Medium devsel. Fast back-to-back capable. IRQ 9. Master Capable. No bursts. I/O at 0x1820 [0x1821]. Bus 0, device 31, function 3: SM Bus: Intel Unknown device (rev 3). Vendor id=8086. Device id=2443. Medium devsel. Fast back-to-back capable. IRQ 5. I/O at 0x1810 [0x1811]. Bus 0, device 31, function 4: USB Controller: Intel Unknown device (rev 3). Vendor id=8086. Device id=2444. Medium devsel. Fast back-to-back capable. IRQ 11. Master Capable. No bursts. I/O at 0x1840 [0x1841]. Bus 0, device 31, function 5: Multimedia audio controller: Intel Unknown device (rev 3). Vendor id=8086. Device id=2445. Medium devsel. Fast back-to-back capable. IRQ 5. Master Capable. No bursts. I/O at 0x1c00 [0x1c01]. I/O at 0x1880 [0x1881]. Bus 0, device 31, function 6: Unknown class: Intel Unknown device (rev 3). Vendor id=8086. Device id=2446. Medium devsel. Fast back-to-back capable. IRQ 5. Master Capable. No bursts. I/O at 0x2400 [0x2401]. I/O at 0x2000 [0x2001]. Bus 1, device 0, function 0: FireWire (IEEE 1394): Texas Instruments Unknown device (rev 2). Vendor id=104c. Device id=8021. Medium devsel. IRQ 10. Master Capable. Latency=64. Min Gnt=3.Max Lat=4. Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xf4105000 [0xf4105000]. Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xf4100000 [0xf4100000]. Bus 1, device 2, function 0: CardBus bridge: Ricoh Unknown device (rev 128). Vendor id=1180. Device id=476. Medium devsel. Master Capable. No bursts. Max Lat=7. Bus 1, device 2, function 1: CardBus bridge: Ricoh Unknown device (rev 128). Vendor id=1180. Device id=476. Medium devsel. Master Capable. No bursts. Max Lat=7. Bus 1, device 8, function 0: Ethernet controller: Intel Unknown device (rev 3). Vendor id=8086. Device id=2449. Medium devsel. Fast back-to-back capable. IRQ 9. Master Capable. Latency=66. Min Gnt=8.Max Lat=56. Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xf4104000 [0xf4104000]. I/O at 0x3000 [0x3001]. /proc/interrupts: CPU0 0: 27988 XT-PIC timer 1: 258 XT-PIC keyboard 2: 0 XT-PIC cascade 5: 0 XT-PIC Intel ICH2 6: 15 XT-PIC floppy 8: 1 XT-PIC rtc 9: 0 XT-PIC usb-uhci 10: 398 XT-PIC i810@PCI:0:2:0 11: 0 XT-PIC usb-uhci 12: 3942 XT-PIC PS/2 Mouse 13: 1 XT-PIC fpu 14: 90215 XT-PIC ide0 15: 978 XT-PIC ide1 NMI: 0 Thanks! From tanner at real-time.com Mon Apr 2 16:18:44 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slashdot moving over to FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <007b01c0bb80$6ceccc40$3028680a@tgt.com>; from veldy@veldy.net on Mon, Apr 02, 2001 at 09:23:01AM -0500 References: <007b01c0bb80$6ceccc40$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <20010402161844.E641@real-time.com> Quoting Thomas T. Veldhouse (veldy@veldy.net): > http://slashdot.org/articles/01/04/02/0326237.shtml > What where they running before? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jasonj at innominatus.org Mon Apr 2 16:19:30 2001 From: jasonj at innominatus.org (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB hub References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109738@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <3AC8ECE2.6377B76E@innominatus.org> I am using 2.4.2 and a Belkin 4 port usb hub, i believe the model is F5U021. I have 2 USB mice and a compact flash card reader in it and it works great! It has its own ac adapter as well, its not powered off the usb bus. "Austad, Jay" wrote: > Has anyone had any success making a USB hub work with kernel 2.4 (2.4.3 > specifically). I purchased a Belkin 4 port pocket hub, and my syslog starts > filling with some over-current errors on the hub. Shouldn't any hub work, > or are there some that don't? > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From drew at usfamily.net Sun Apr 1 10:25:55 2001 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Snowhite and the Seven Dwarfs - The REAL story! References: <200104021541.LAA10761@radius8.mohaveaz.com> Message-ID: <3AC74883.9C7E2BD1@usfamily.net> This does not sound like a healthy email. Hahaha wrote: > Today, Snowhite was turning 18. The 7 Dwarfs always where very educated and > polite with Snowhite. When they go out work at mornign, they promissed a > *huge* surprise. Snowhite was anxious. Suddlently, the door open, and the Seven > Dwarfs enter... > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Name: sexy virgin.scr > sexy virgin.scr Type: Screen Saver (application/x-unknown-content-type-scrfile) > Encoding: base64 ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: drew.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 265 bytes Desc: Card for Andrew Nemchenko Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010401/94337c3d/drew.vcf From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu Mon Apr 2 16:27:28 2001 From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Tekram 315 on RH 7 In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10970D@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: Has anyone got a tekram 315 scsi controler working under red hat? Colin Kilbane From mkroska at readynetgo.com Mon Apr 2 16:33:31 2001 From: mkroska at readynetgo.com (Mark K) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Snowhite :This is getting annoying! In-Reply-To: <200104021541.LAA10761@radius8.mohaveaz.com> Message-ID: OK, check your antivirus software...I've gotten this message 5 times today from the list. ?!@$! MK On Mon, 2 Apr 2001, Hahaha wrote: > Today, Snowhite was turning 18. The 7 Dwarfs always where very educated and > polite with Snowhite. When they go out work at mornign, they promissed a > *huge* surprise. Snowhite was anxious. Suddlently, the door open, and the Seven > Dwarfs enter... > > -- ________________________________________________________ ReadyNET Go!, Inc. - Building your Business on the net ________________________________________________________ Mark J. Kroska MIS Director 320.656.0765 Voice 888.447.3239 Toll Free 320.203.7052 Fax http://www.readynetgo.com mailto:mkroska@readynetgo.com ________________________________________________________ From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Apr 2 17:03:00 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT} Snow White...go away... Message-ID: <20010402170300.D2087@wookimus.net> Whomever is using LookOut or it's more commonly referred to incarnations: Outlook Express and Outlook, please learn how to use a virus scanner, and use a different email client. This is really getting annoying. Granted, it doesn't affect the Linux users on the list (imagine that), but it's annoying none-the-less. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Here are the specs RISC MIPS 4000 with FPU running at 100mhz 80 mb of memory 1 3.2gig quantum hd + 1 430meg seagate irix 6.5 installed and configured SGI 17inch (trinitron tube!) monitor (very nice indeed) Mouse + keyboard 1 10 base T (rj45) transever for networking ( I'll throw in a bnc one too) Two external drives + cables ( 500 megs each ) I have to test these though the glow that comes with having an SGI on your desk is free...:) With the recent upgrades the machine is going for $200 OBO Colin Kilbane From jethro at yaron.org Mon Apr 2 11:06:04 2001 From: jethro at yaron.org (jethro@yaron.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GeForce Dualhead? In-Reply-To: <3AC86E8C.C0E04295@structural-wood.com> References: <3AC86E8C.C0E04295@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <986227564.3ac8a36cc3d8d@dragon> Hi, Quoting Kent Schumacher : > According the the NVidia FAQ's it does, but I was unable to make my > dual head work in the hour I put into the attempt. I have had > a long goofy time getting my nvidia card working with 3d correctly, > with problems ranging from a flaky video card to motherboard AGP/ > nvidia conflicts. Well, I have got nVidia to do 3D under Linux, and I did get the Matrox to do dualhead under Linux... so it's worth a try. Guess I'll be paying Tran Micro a visit on the way home... I'm not too concerned with 3D under Linux. It's only use so far seems to be entertaining the cat with xlockmore's Bubble3D mode. Now if Tribes 2 for Linux will be free when you have the Windows version... From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Apr 2 11:07:06 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ftp.mn-linux.org down In-Reply-To: <20010402014712.J14300@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Mon, Apr 02, 2001 at 01:47:12AM -0500 References: <20010402014712.J14300@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010402110706.L27270@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [010402 06:27]: > I took the ftp server offline for a re-org of the redhat mirror. Long story, Heh. whats the long version? -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@efnet So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Colin From zibby at ringworld.org Mon Apr 2 12:18:42 2001 From: zibby at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Public Ridicule for sending trojans to the list Message-ID: Ok, procmail just sent another trojan to /dev/null, (see ftp://ftp.rubyriver.com/pub/jhardin/antispam/procmail-security.html for the procmail rules, it's worth it) The trojan was sent via the list (joy!) so I propose something of a wall of shame for anyone who does this in the future. Yes, you're fellow luggies will be able to publicly rigicule you for months on end should you send nasty code to the list, but not because you sent the nasty code, but because you opened an attachment from an untrusted source, and because you are obviously using an inferior OS. This is mostly a joke, as as soon as the wall of shame page went up Murphy's law dictates that I would end up on said page soon after. | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | | When in danger, or in doubt, | | run in circles, scream and shout! | From thudak at sistina.com Mon Apr 2 12:38:37 2001 From: thudak at sistina.com (Tom Hudak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux quake3 problem In-Reply-To: <3AC6ABD0.21314DEC@innominatus.org>; from jasonj@innominatus.org on Sat, Mar 31, 2001 at 10:17:20PM -0600 References: <3AC6ABD0.21314DEC@innominatus.org> Message-ID: <20010402123836.B7795@sistina.com> On Sat, Mar 31, 2001 at 10:17:20PM -0600, Jason J wrote: >I am trying to get quake3 to run under linux for the first time. > >I am running the following > >Geforce 2 MX >Debian Unstable updated as of 1 day ago >Xfree 4.02-12 >2.4.2 custom from debian kernel source First of all, even though you are running debian, get rid of the debian kernel sources, and DON'T use the debian nvidia stuff, it's slower and buggier than their latest sources off their website. Grab a fresh clean kernel off kernel.org and grab the kernel and glx sources here, ftp://ftp.evil3d.net/pub/Evil3D/Linux/NVIDIA/NVIDIA_kernel-0.9-769.tar.gz ftp://ftp.evil3d.net/pub/Evil3D/Linux/NVIDIA/NVIDIA_GLX-0.9-769.tar.gz compile said software and install. Now debian does some things that nvidia's driver dosn't like, like putting the following files back when they *NEED* to be removed to get the NVidia module and all glx components to work. (And they'll come back after every upgrade.) /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.a /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2 /usr/lib/libGLcore.so.1 (linked to libGL.so.1.2, so relink to nvidia libGL) After these are removed, running glxinfo should no longer kill your X session. If it does, please post the sections of the XFree86.0.log regarding glx modules being loaded etc. Good Luck, -- Thomas J. Hudak Systems Administrator Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com Phone: 612.379.3951 Page: 612.318.1967 Fax: 612.379.3952 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010402/187dac90/attachment.pgp From jsowers at osii.com Mon Apr 2 13:36:55 2001 From: jsowers at osii.com (Jason Sowers) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Virus In-Reply-To: <3AC86F0D.E35F828B@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: Has anyone else been getting the joke.exe attachments from the tclug list? I imagine that everyone is and it doesn't look like the virus is much more than a nuscience. For those of us that are running Win32 OS's that is. Anyway, just thought I would see what's up with that. Jason Sowers From blayer at qwest.net Mon Apr 2 20:11:39 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Snowhite and the Seven Dwarfs - The REAL story! In-Reply-To: <200104021539.LAA10734@radius8.mohaveaz.com> References: <200104021539.LAA10734@radius8.mohaveaz.com> Message-ID: <20010402201139.011a15e1.blayer@qwest.net> Today, Snowlutgens was turning 31. The 7 lug members always where very educated and polite with Snowlutgens, until one beermeeting... -- -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu Mon Apr 2 14:29:56 2001 From: cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu (Charles Clifton Fulton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Snowhite and the Seven Dwarfs - The REAL story! In-Reply-To: <200104021539.LAA10734@radius8.mohaveaz.com> Message-ID: Ok, I think it's time to make the list strip all attachments no matter where they come from. This is getting out of hand. And no I didn't catch the virus, cause I was reading it in pine. ;-p Charlie From tanner at real-time.com Mon Apr 2 15:22:26 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ftp.mn-linux.org down In-Reply-To: <3AC890C7.6E61CD1D@mninter.net>; from fertch@mninter.net on Mon, Apr 02, 2001 at 09:46:31AM -0500 References: <20010402014712.J14300@real-time.com> <3AC890C7.6E61CD1D@mninter.net> Message-ID: <20010402152226.E19975@real-time.com> Quoting Shawn (fertch@mninter.net): > Bob, any chance that the Oriental e-mails that came through the list > yesterday have any relations? Anyone able to read them things?? Don't know, but I contacted UUNet and Sprint and their filters are still getting a pounding. Mix of TCP, UDP and ICMP, so I need to keep it offline. :-( Sprint is working with their "other branch" (whatever that means) to help stop the attack. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From zibby at ringworld.org Mon Apr 2 15:38:16 2001 From: zibby at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ftp.mn-linux.org down In-Reply-To: <3AC890C7.6E61CD1D@mninter.net> Message-ID: Yes, they read: "You've got SPAM!" | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | | When in danger, or in doubt, | | run in circles, scream and shout! | From hahaha at sexyfun.net Mon Apr 2 15:33:43 2001 From: hahaha at sexyfun.net (Hahaha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Snowhite and the Seven Dwarfs - The REAL story! Message-ID: Today, Snowhite was turning 18. The 7 Dwarfs always where very educated and polite with Snowhite. When they go out work at mornign, they promissed a *huge* surprise. Snowhite was anxious. Suddlently, the door open, and the Seven Dwarfs enter... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: sexy virgin.scr Type: application/octet-stream Size: 23040 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010402/bba443ad/sexyvirgin.obj From tanner at real-time.com Mon Apr 2 16:08:49 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Snowhite and the Seven Dwarfs - The REAL story! In-Reply-To: <200104021541.LAA10749@radius8.mohaveaz.com>; from hahaha@sexyfun.net on Mon, Apr 02, 2001 at 11:41:17AM -0400 References: <200104021541.LAA10749@radius8.mohaveaz.com> Message-ID: <20010402160849.A641@real-time.com> Quoting Hahaha (hahaha@sexyfun.net): > Today, Snowhite was turning 18. The 7 Dwarfs always where very educated and > polite with Snowhite. When they go out work at mornign, they promissed a > *huge* surprise. Snowhite was anxious. Suddlently, the door open, and the > Seven Dwarfs enter... I put a procmail rule in to stop this. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Mon Apr 2 16:09:41 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Testing Message-ID: <20010402160941.C641@real-time.com> This is a test of the new procmail rule. Does this go out? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From zibby at ringworld.org Mon Apr 2 19:57:35 2001 From: zibby at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux quake3 problem In-Reply-To: <20010402123836.B7795@sistina.com> Message-ID: What? The nvidia stuff in sid just downloads the tarballs from nvidia.com, and builds a debian package from that. I can't see why that would be any slower then your method. The packages are totally current, and the latest release of the packages were only a day behind the nvidia release. | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | | When in danger, or in doubt, | | run in circles, scream and shout! | From jacque at fruitioninc.com Mon Apr 2 20:57:43 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beer meeting tomorrow the 29th at Mud Pie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: uh...why am I getting this today? > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Jacqueline Urick > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 3:55 PM > To: Tclug-Announce; Tclug-List > Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beer meeting tomorrow the 29th at Mud > Pie > > > Hey folks- > > We'll be having our beer meeting tomorrow at Mud Pie near uptown. > Its not a > "bar" so its all-ages. They do have beer and wine. > > All the details are here: > http://www.mn-linux.org/beermeeting/ > > Hope to see you there! > > Jacque > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-announce mailing list > tclug-announce@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From zibby at ringworld.org Mon Apr 2 20:01:56 2001 From: zibby at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slashdot moving over to FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <20010402161844.E641@real-time.com> Message-ID: Check the date the article was posted, pause, reflect, and read every other article with the same date. If you still haven't figured it out, submit your name to the wall of shame in advance. :) | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | | When in danger, or in doubt, | | run in circles, scream and shout! | From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Apr 2 20:03:17 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slashdot moving over to FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <20010402161844.E641@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Mon, Apr 02, 2001 at 04:18:44PM -0500 References: <007b01c0bb80$6ceccc40$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010402161844.E641@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010402200317.F2087@wookimus.net> On Mon, Apr 02, 2001 at 04:18:44PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Thomas T. Veldhouse (veldy@veldy.net): > > http://slashdot.org/articles/01/04/02/0326237.shtml > > > > What where they running before? From the article header: Slashdot Moving To FreeBSD [Slashdot.org] Posted by AilleCat on Sunday April 01, @11:00PM from the you-never-know-it-might-actually-be-mostly-true dept. Considering the day and the department, I'd feel safe in assuming that this is an April Fools joke. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The communication exchange... -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jpschewe at mtu.net Mon Apr 2 21:47:01 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 2.4.2 and visor and usb Message-ID: Well I thought I had everything working. I can do backups, but installs fail. This is not very nice. Worked fine under 2.2.18, maybe I'll have to back up and lose my X setup too.. :( -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Apr 2 22:09:33 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] weird benchmarking results Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10973E@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Ok, I trying to build a high performance reverse proxy for serving out images and reducing the load from my webservers (which are Win2k). I've tried squid, and apache on freebsd and linux, and just for fun I tried IIS 5 on win2k just serving the images (no proxy). I used http_load and Apache bench (/usr/sbin/ab) for testing. Apache on linux with mod_proxy kicks the crap out of anything else. I was able to serve 2370 requests/sec on a dual PIII 550. Squid under linux came in second around 550 requests/sec, and we won't even talk about the BSD tests... :) However, when trying to benchmark the Win2k box, I've noticed this with NT 4.0 also, the web server will serve data for a couple of seconds, then nothing, then it will burst again. However, during the times when it's not serving data to my benchmarking clients, it will serve data just fine to another box. Does windows have some sort of Anti-DOS built into it? Maybe an embryonic connection limit? Strange. Jay From thefishyone at hotmail.com Mon Apr 2 20:07:54 2001 From: thefishyone at hotmail.com (Matt Waters) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New to linux Message-ID: Hello. I just subscribed to this list last night, and am very new to Linux, so I preemptivly apologize if I ask a stupid question. Anyway, I used to run a redhat box on an i686 but took it down because I could never figure it out. After several months of cussing out my windows machine (I switched to Win2k, and although a massive improvement over Win9x, is still very buggy) and at the recomendation of a friend's father who is a huge UNIX guru, however, I decided to give Linux another try. My 3 major problems with getting Linux up and running are the fact that I can't find a modem anywhere that will work with Linux, my Voodoo3 and SB Live cards don't have drivers written for them that I know of, and the fact that I have virtually no experience with UNIX. If any of you would give me the name of a good, relatively cheap modem, point me to some Voodoo3/SB Live drivers, or give me a few pointers on how to learn Linux, it would be most appreciated. Also, I know it's fairly subjective, but what distributions do you guys think work the best, based on your experience? The Fishy One's Infinite Wisdom #28: "Life is anything that dies when you stomp on it." _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From jts at tc.umn.edu Mon Apr 2 20:23:06 2001 From: jts at tc.umn.edu (Joel T Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slashdot moving over to FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <200104030011.f330BTZ02711@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: I think it's supposed to be an April Fool's joke. Note the posting date (April 01), the author (http://www.funy.org/), and the mention of sacrificing a goat to the SCSI gods... Joel On Mon, 2 Apr 2001 16:18:44 Bob Tanner wrote: > > Quoting Thomas T. Veldhouse (veldy@veldy.net): > > http://slashdot.org/articles/01/04/02/0326237.shtml > > > > What where they running before? From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Apr 2 23:37:36 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network sniffing under Linux and TLS Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10973F@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Well, if there's sensitive information being exchanged, some of the tools in the dsniff package should be able to find it. http://www.monkey.org/~dugsong/dsniff/ Comes with man-in-the-middle attack tools for ssh1 and SSL too. Fun. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Tanner [mailto:tanner@real-time.com] > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 9:31 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Network sniffing under Linux and TLS > > > I am working on LDAP using TLS and I want to sniff my network > to make absolutely > sure nothing is every exchanged with the ldap server in clear text. > > I have tried several tools, each seems to have a strength, > but none of them are > "simple". The tools I have used are tcpdump, snoop, sniffit, ethereal. > > I just want to sniff all traffic between hostA and hostB on > port 389 and 636, > which tool is best for this simple task? > > I'd like to see it like hostA tries to connect on port 389 with SSL. > Then hostB responds to use port 636. > etc.. > > The communication exchange... > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From esper at sherohman.org Tue Apr 3 00:20:23 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network sniffing under Linux and TLS In-Reply-To: <20010402213129.C22944@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Mon, Apr 02, 2001 at 09:31:29PM -0500 References: <20010402213129.C22944@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010403002022.A15154@sherohman.org> On Mon, Apr 02, 2001 at 09:31:29PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > I have tried several tools, each seems to have a strength, but none of them are > "simple". The tools I have used are tcpdump, snoop, sniffit, ethereal. I've never done any serious work with sniffers, so I'm not particularly familiar with any of those you listed, but I found karpski to be pretty quick and easy to get started with. It's an X app; basically just run it, tell it to start listening, and it fills up a list box with all the connections it sees. When a connection of interest appears, click on it and then hit another button and all data sent across it is displayed in a popup window. I'm sure there's a way to specify something broader, like 'all connections using foobar:42', but that would require actually reading TFM... I've also looked a little bit at ngrep, which seems to be pretty powerful, but it's a command-line app with a zillion options, so I left it in the pile of things to figure out when I have a use for them. -- Linux will do for applications what the Internet did for networks. - IBM, "Peace, Love, and Linux" Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Apr 2 23:48:32 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New to linux Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109740@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Actually, all of the hardware you listed is supported. You just have to make sure you don't buy a cheap so-called "winmodem". The downside to that, is a real modem costs a little more. US robotics Sportster's are a good modem that work fine with linux. SB Live is supported with the emu10k1 module. Add this line to your /etc/modules.conf file: alias sound-slot-0 emu10k1 The Voodoo 3 works great also. http://dri.sourceforge.net should have all of the info you need to get that working. Most distributions will set all of this hardware up automatically, at least Mandrake is fairly good about it. If you still have problems, just come to an installfest and someone will help you. As for you asking what distributions are the best... I think you probably just started a flame war. :) I like Mandrake for desktop boxes, and debian for servers. I haven't used Slackware in a long time, so I don't know how they are, and I don't really like RedHat, it seems to suck for a desktop system, and for servers it works OK, although it installs tons of unnecessary crap. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Matt Waters [mailto:thefishyone@hotmail.com] > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 8:08 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] New to linux > > > Hello. I just subscribed to this list last night, and am very > new to Linux, > so I preemptivly apologize if I ask a stupid question. > > Anyway, I used to run a redhat box on an i686 but took it > down because I > could never figure it out. After several months of cussing > out my windows > machine (I switched to Win2k, and although a massive > improvement over Win9x, > is still very buggy) and at the recomendation of a friend's > father who is a > huge UNIX guru, however, I decided to give Linux another try. > My 3 major > problems with getting Linux up and running are the fact that > I can't find a > modem anywhere that will work with Linux, my Voodoo3 and SB > Live cards don't > have drivers written for them that I know of, and the fact > that I have > virtually no experience with UNIX. If any of you would give > me the name of a > good, relatively cheap modem, point me to some Voodoo3/SB > Live drivers, or > give me a few pointers on how to learn Linux, it would be > most appreciated. > > Also, I know it's fairly subjective, but what distributions > do you guys > think work the best, based on your experience? > > The Fishy One's Infinite Wisdom #28: "Life is anything that > dies when you > stomp on it." > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From florin at iucha.net Mon Apr 2 23:51:32 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New to linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Matt, On Mon, 2 Apr 2001, Matt Waters wrote: > Hello. I just subscribed to this list last night, and am very new to Linux, > so I preemptivly apologize if I ask a stupid question. > > Anyway, I used to run a redhat box on an i686 but took it down because I > could never figure it out. After several months of cussing out my windows > machine (I switched to Win2k, and although a massive improvement over Win9x, > is still very buggy) and at the recomendation of a friend's father who is a > huge UNIX guru, however, I decided to give Linux another try. My 3 major > problems with getting Linux up and running are the fact that I can't find a > modem anywhere that will work with Linux, my Voodoo3 and SB Live cards don't > have drivers written for them that I know of, and the fact that I have > virtually no experience with UNIX. That comes with use... > If any of you would give me the name of a > good, relatively cheap modem, point me to some Voodoo3/SB Live drivers, or > give me a few pointers on how to learn Linux, it would be most appreciated. 1. Modem: look for any _EXTERNAL_ modems or look for a an ISA internal modem. Look on the box for "Works with 486", or ask the salesman if it works on 486. I have a very good Boca modem with all the jumpers you want. 2. XFree86 4.xx supports Voodoo3 so get RedHat 7.1 beta or Mandrake 8.0 beta or any recent Linux distribution and add XFree86 4.0.3 to it. 3. SBLive drivers for Linux exists from alsa project at www.alsa-project.org. You should download the latest version 0.9beta3 and compile it (there are good instructions in the archive). > Also, I know it's fairly subjective, but what distributions do you guys > think work the best, based on your experience? I have good experiences with RedHat x.[12]. I have bad experiences with RedHat x.0 . You might want to try Mandrake as it's more newbie friendly. > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ... when it will be supported on linux :) florin From jasonj at innominatus.org Mon Apr 2 20:32:40 2001 From: jasonj at innominatus.org (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux quake3 problem References: <3AC6ABD0.21314DEC@innominatus.org> <20010402123836.B7795@sistina.com> Message-ID: <3AC92838.19FAFC3F@innominatus.org> Do you have any specific examples as to why the Debian Kernel Source Packages and the Debian nVidia Source Packages are flawed? I have always found Debian source package installations to be a very clean way to mange software on a system. You get the power and control of compling the source yourself with any modifications or options you want and the dependency/confliction resolutions of debian package management. In a follow up email I stated that I got everything working, I had just forgot to put a directory into /etc/ld.so.conf (the directory containing the nvidia libGL). The other files that you stated do not need to be purged from the system. They just need to come after the ones you want in the library search path. Should I ever remove my nvidia card and replace with a Matrox or other opengl capable card, I will be glad I didnt purge my system of these files. Thank you very much for responding to my problem. I would have definately tried your suggestions if the problem was still plaguing me. Tom Hudak wrote: > On Sat, Mar 31, 2001 at 10:17:20PM -0600, Jason J wrote: > >I am trying to get quake3 to run under linux for the first time. > > > >I am running the following > > > >Geforce 2 MX > >Debian Unstable updated as of 1 day ago > >Xfree 4.02-12 > >2.4.2 custom from debian kernel source > First of all, even though you are running debian, get rid of the debian kernel > sources, and DON'T use the debian nvidia stuff, it's slower and buggier than > their latest sources off their website. > Grab a fresh clean kernel off kernel.org > and grab the kernel and glx sources here, > ftp://ftp.evil3d.net/pub/Evil3D/Linux/NVIDIA/NVIDIA_kernel-0.9-769.tar.gz > ftp://ftp.evil3d.net/pub/Evil3D/Linux/NVIDIA/NVIDIA_GLX-0.9-769.tar.gz > compile said software and install. > Now debian does some things that nvidia's driver dosn't like, like putting the > following files back when they *NEED* to be removed to get the NVidia module > and all glx components to work. (And they'll come back after every upgrade.) > /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.a > /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a > /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2 > /usr/lib/libGLcore.so.1 (linked to libGL.so.1.2, so relink to nvidia libGL) > After these are removed, running glxinfo should no longer kill your X session. > If it does, please post the sections of the XFree86.0.log regarding glx > modules being loaded etc. > Good Luck, > -- > Thomas J. Hudak > Systems Administrator > Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com > Phone: 612.379.3951 Page: 612.318.1967 > Fax: 612.379.3952 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature From jpschewe at mtu.net Mon Apr 2 20:38:46 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Palm/USB In-Reply-To: Yaron's message of "Sat, 24 Mar 2001 11:01:13 -0600 (CST)" References: Message-ID: Yaron writes: > Hi, > > On 23 Mar 2001, Jon Schewe wrote: > > > Yeah, the catch is you need to start the hotsync on the palm, then tell jpilot > > to sync, otherwise it can't bind to the device. Also mine shows up on > > /dev/ttyUSB1 not 0. Not sure how they're numbered though. > > Hmm. I tried that and it looks like it's trying a bit harder, but still > not making it. > > What speed should I set it to? Still works fine under 2.4.2. I don't tell it any speed settings and all's good. I'm using pilot-xfer to back things up. -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From tanner at real-time.com Mon Apr 2 19:01:53 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] eepro on Sony Vaio FX190K config problems In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010401222519.00a7afa0@192.168.0.10>; from mnlinux@technologyannex.com on Mon, Apr 02, 2001 at 04:16:23PM -0500 References: <200104012146.f31LkeG01253@sprite.real-time.com> <5.0.2.1.2.20010401222519.00a7afa0@192.168.0.10> Message-ID: <20010402190153.C9496@real-time.com> Quoting B. Eric Roth (mnlinux@technologyannex.com): > I am having problems configuring the built in ethernet on my Sony Vaio > Fx190k. I just setup a dual boot of Red Hat 7 and win2k. In Windows 2k it > lists it as Intel Pro 100 VE. According to the proc/pci it is using IRQ 9 > and I/O 0x3000, but it is not listed in proc/interrupts. I tried to change > it to IRQ 7 in linuxconf but it still didn't work. Any help would be > greatly appreciated. What kernel release? 2.4.1 works no problems for me. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Mon Apr 2 19:10:30 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ftp.mn-linux.org down In-Reply-To: <20010402110706.L27270@ringworld.org>; from dieman+tclug@ringworld.org on Mon, Apr 02, 2001 at 11:07:06AM -0500 References: <20010402014712.J14300@real-time.com> <20010402110706.L27270@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010402191030.F9496@real-time.com> Quoting Scott Dier (dieman+tclug@ringworld.org): > * Bob Tanner [010402 06:27]: > > I took the ftp server offline for a re-org of the redhat mirror. Long story, > > Heh. whats the long version? Total re-org of the directories to make it "easier" to navigate. Tell that to the users have the path burned into their finger-tips. Tell that to ALL the scripts that look for stuf in new locations! It's longer, but it's pisses me off to talk about it. >:-| -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jonathankl_2001 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 3 06:56:50 2001 From: jonathankl_2001 at yahoo.com (Jonathan Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB Drives (Iomega) Message-ID: <20010403115650.20950.qmail@web13405.mail.yahoo.com> So I got my new USB Zip250 Self powered drive last nite, and I'll be dammed, when I opened it up, it includes the IomegaWare software for Linux.......... Think this means somethin' for the PC industry? Like maybe Linux is a competitor now? Jonathan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From fertch at mninter.net Tue Apr 3 07:44:33 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ftp.mn-linux.org down References: <20010402014712.J14300@real-time.com> <3AC890C7.6E61CD1D@mninter.net> <20010402152226.E19975@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3AC9C5B1.F2C1F6DB@mninter.net> Bob, Here's the header on one I'm questioning: Return-Path: Received: from sprite.real-time.com (IDENT:SxHzZYq7CROanH6krZ/uAjAq4EV45tOv@lists.real-time.com [206.10.253.8]) by mail.swdata.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f327RP313684; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 02:27:25 -0500 Received: from sprite.real-time.com (IDENT:JiFC5UY7qOUXbFvzWT3O3iF4ylov0nVQ@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sprite.real-time.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f326jEG10338; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 01:45:14 -0500 Received: from johnson (swtp222-17.adsl.seed.net.tw [211.74.222.17]) by sprite.real-time.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f325SDG09104 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 00:28:14 -0500 Message-ID: <200104020528.f325SDG09104@sprite.real-time.com> From: ?i?R???????R?L@real-time.com To: ???v????......@lists.real-time.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_Bpb480Kv6Q0UvUjQKPzauX16bG" X-Mailer: r9c7KYM8yxW07kEA3iXlaeCWv X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Subject: [TCLUG] ?????E? ?A?p???????B?????B?????B?N???B?y?D?B?t??... Sender: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org Errors-To: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org X-BeenThere: tclug-list@mn-linux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.3 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 00:28:14 -0500 X-Mozilla-Status: 8001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 X-UIDL: ild!!FdA!!JSE!!J+%#! I'm thinking that either someone has spoofed the system, or your mail server has been compromised. I noticed that one came through earlier in html that had a ton of oriental lettering. This one with the header is a "zoological astrology" or something. Bob Tanner wrote: > > Quoting Shawn (fertch@mninter.net): > > Bob, any chance that the Oriental e-mails that came through the list > > yesterday have any relations? Anyone able to read them things?? > > Don't know, but I contacted UUNet and Sprint and their filters are still getting > a pounding. Mix of TCP, UDP and ICMP, so I need to keep it offline. :-( > > Sprint is working with their "other branch" (whatever that means) to help stop > the attack. From veldy at veldy.net Tue Apr 3 07:37:14 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] snow white, duh References: Message-ID: <004e01c0bc3a$d04769c0$3028680a@tgt.com> Anybody know how to get postfix to work with procmail in such a way as to filter out emails such as this on a global level? I currently use procmail for individual users. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Kilbane" To: Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 11:33 AM Subject: [TCLUG] snow white, duh > Why does this junk end up on the list. Anyone that can't configure their > mail program to avoid this junk, esp old junk like this needs serious > help. What is an outlook user doing on this list anyway? Pine all the > way, hoo, hoo, hoo! > > Colin > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dcsherman at qwest.net Tue Apr 3 07:22:36 2001 From: dcsherman at qwest.net (Dave) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network sniffing under Linux and TLS In-Reply-To: <20010402213129.C22944@real-time.com> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010403071952.00a66290@pop.mpls.qwest.net> Ethereal can do what you ask. Start it up and let it go for a bit, until your testing is done. Once you end the sniffing session, you can click on any TCP packet, and then view the entire conversation between the two hosts (source, destination). I've done it, though I don't remember the exact steps offhand. Dave At 09:31 PM 4/2/01 -0500, you wrote: >I am working on LDAP using TLS and I want to sniff my network to make >absolutely >sure nothing is every exchanged with the ldap server in clear text. > >I have tried several tools, each seems to have a strength, but none of >them are >"simple". The tools I have used are tcpdump, snoop, sniffit, ethereal. > >I just want to sniff all traffic between hostA and hostB on port 389 and 636, >which tool is best for this simple task? > >I'd like to see it like hostA tries to connect on port 389 with SSL. >Then hostB responds to use port 636. >etc.. > >The communication exchange... > >-- >Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 >http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 >Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list "...[W]e preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God." (1 Cor 1:23-24) From veldy at veldy.net Tue Apr 3 07:37:55 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Virus References: Message-ID: <005501c0bc3a$e861c320$3028680a@tgt.com> There is also a version, sexy virgin.scr of the same virus going around as well. You need to filter both of these. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Sowers" To: Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 1:36 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Virus > Has anyone else been getting the joke.exe attachments from the tclug list? > I imagine that everyone is and it doesn't look like the virus is much more > than a nuscience. For those of us that are running Win32 OS's that is. > Anyway, just thought I would see what's up with that. > > Jason Sowers From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Apr 3 10:11:07 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: G400 for sale Message-ID: Hi, So, everyone on the list's been raving about how cooool Matrox G400 cards are. Unfortunetly they're not great for games, and I'm apparently a dork who likes games too much. Therefore I now have a perfectly good G400 DualHead with 32MB just sitting here. Anyone want to buy it for like $100 (or make an offer)? -Yaron -- From thudak at sistina.com Tue Apr 3 09:18:52 2001 From: thudak at sistina.com (Tom Hudak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux quake3 problem In-Reply-To: ; from zibby@ringworld.org on Mon, Apr 02, 2001 at 07:57:35PM -0500 References: <20010402123836.B7795@sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010403091852.B15143@sistina.com> On Mon, Apr 02, 2001 at 07:57:35PM -0500, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: >What? The nvidia stuff in sid just downloads the tarballs from nvidia.com, >and builds a debian package from that. I can't see why that would be any >slower then your method. The packages are totally current, and the latest >release of the packages were only a day behind the nvidia release. My install of my nvidia card was at a point in time when debian's nvidia packages consisted of a non-accelerated driver. Those are the steps to take to get the source versions of the GLX/Kernel stuff from nvidia. If the debian packages are being built based on the sources available at nvidia.com then I don't see any reason not to use them, but I wasn't aware at the time that debian had included that in their packages. The modules/extensions/libGL*.a files never fail to bomb out my X session when I run glxinfo, but as soon as I remove them eveyrthing works fine. Maybe I'll try the nvidia packages this time, but my system is running smooth with HIGH frame rates in q3a so I don't particularly care how it's installed. :-) Thanks, > >| Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | >| http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | >| http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | >| When in danger, or in doubt, | >| run in circles, scream and shout! | > > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Thomas J. Hudak Systems Administrator Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com Phone: 612.379.3951 Page: 612.318.1967 Fax: 612.379.3952 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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According to the proc/pci it is using IRQ 9 >> and I/O 0x3000, but it is not listed in proc/interrupts. I tried to change >> it to IRQ 7 in linuxconf but it still didn't work. Any help would be >> greatly appreciated. > >What kernel release? I have a vaio pcg-z505JE with an eepro lspci -v says: 00:0b.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82557 [Ethernet Pro 100] (rev 08) Subsystem: Sony Corporation: Unknown device 8084 Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 66, IRQ 9 Memory at fedf6000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K] I/O ports at fc40 [size=64] Memory at fec00000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=1M] And it has worked flawlessly since 2.2.18 and I am up to 2.4.1-ac28 (anything newer than that and my poor laptop locks up :-) > >2.4.1 works no problems for me. >-- >Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 >http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 >Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) $chown -R us.us yourbase -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010403/3fe6cdb6/attachment.pgp From esper at sherohman.org Tue Apr 3 09:35:04 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Saturday's topic Message-ID: <20010403093504.E16446@sherohman.org> I don't know why this didn't occur to me before, but... Does anyone know the person who's coming from SteelEye or seen him do something similar before? I'm wondering how likely it is that the real topic will turn out to be "High-Availability Clustering Using SteelEye Products" and be completely devoid of useful information for those who have no interest in becoming their customers. (If it's a product-centric talk, that's cool - we've had people do presentations on GFS, NetSaint, and a few others before. But it's nice to know in advance whether to expect a tech talk or a sales pitch.) -- Linux will do for applications what the Internet did for networks. - IBM, "Peace, Love, and Linux" Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From kent at structural-wood.com Tue Apr 3 07:59:23 2001 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Testing References: <20010402160941.C641@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3AC9C92B.B667ACBC@structural-wood.com> Bob Tanner wrote: > > This is a test of the new procmail rule. Does this go out? > > No From drew at usfamily.net Tue Apr 3 08:38:39 2001 From: drew at usfamily.net (andrew nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New to linux Message-ID: <200104031339.f33DdQZ17390@sprite.real-time.com> The modem that you want to get is an Actionteck call waiting modem. It's made by Lucent technologies. You can answer the phone while you are online, and it works with linux. It even says so on the box and to prove it they even put the linux installation instructions in the box. Last time I saw it at Best Buy it was around $40. ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ From bradyh at bitstream.net Tue Apr 3 09:06:53 2001 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New to linux In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109740@mspexch1.office.mkt w.net> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20010403084459.00c18d10@mail.bitstream.net> Mandrake and Redhat are sort of the same thing. Mandrake is based on Redhat but with some extra stuff tacked on. Redhat can be a pretty good distro when starting out because it's the most common one so lots of people are familiar with it and software/hardware can be easier to get working with it. As far as hardware goes check one of the following: www.linhardware.com linux.com/hardware Oh yeah and if you like a windows type interface make sure you install Gnome and/or KDE when you install your distro. I love Gnome myself and version 1.4 just got released today. Brady >As for you asking what distributions are the best... I think you probably >just started a flame war. :) I like Mandrake for desktop boxes, and debian >for servers. I haven't used Slackware in a long time, so I don't know how >they are, and I don't really like RedHat, it seems to suck for a desktop >system, and for servers it works OK, although it installs tons of >unnecessary crap. > >Jay > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Matt Waters [mailto:thefishyone@hotmail.com] > > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 8:08 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: [TCLUG] New to linux > > > > > > Hello. I just subscribed to this list last night, and am very > > new to Linux, > > so I preemptivly apologize if I ask a stupid question. > > > > Anyway, I used to run a redhat box on an i686 but took it > > down because I > > could never figure it out. After several months of cussing > > out my windows > > machine (I switched to Win2k, and although a massive > > improvement over Win9x, > > is still very buggy) and at the recomendation of a friend's > > father who is a > > huge UNIX guru, however, I decided to give Linux another try. > > My 3 major > > problems with getting Linux up and running are the fact that > > I can't find a > > modem anywhere that will work with Linux, my Voodoo3 and SB > > Live cards don't > > have drivers written for them that I know of, and the fact > > that I have > > virtually no experience with UNIX. If any of you would give > > me the name of a > > good, relatively cheap modem, point me to some Voodoo3/SB > > Live drivers, or > > give me a few pointers on how to learn Linux, it would be > > most appreciated. > > > > Also, I know it's fairly subjective, but what distributions > > do you guys > > think work the best, based on your experience? > > > > The Fishy One's Infinite Wisdom #28: "Life is anything that > > dies when you > > stomp on it." > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jwanderson at uswest.net Tue Apr 3 09:05:37 2001 From: jwanderson at uswest.net (Jay W. Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New to linux In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109740@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <200104031405.f33E5iZ17825@sprite.real-time.com> On 2 Apr 01, at 23:48, Austad, Jay wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Matt Waters [mailto:thefishyone@hotmail.com] > > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 8:08 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: [TCLUG] New to linux > > > Most distributions will set all of this hardware up automatically, at least > Mandrake is fairly good about it. If you still have problems, just come to > an installfest and someone will help you. > > Next Installfest is next Thursday 4/12/2001 at the LinuxConference. Check out: http://www.real-time.com/Linux_Show/linux_show.html (not the same) Jay From administrator at ltiflex.com Tue Apr 3 09:41:09 2001 From: administrator at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] snow white, duh References: <004e01c0bc3a$d04769c0$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <3AC9E105.A3F69CC@ltiflex.com> main.cf:mailbox_command = /usr/bin/procmail Global procmail config is /etc/procmailrc. Rules that I use to filter mail for my users are here: ftp://ftp.rubyriver.com/pub/jhardin/antispam/procmail-security.html I adjusted things so it doesn't automatically mangle word/excel and other common documents. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From thudak at sistina.com Tue Apr 3 09:54:31 2001 From: thudak at sistina.com (Tom Hudak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] snow white, duh In-Reply-To: <004e01c0bc3a$d04769c0$3028680a@tgt.com>; from veldy@veldy.net on Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 07:37:14AM -0500 References: <004e01c0bc3a$d04769c0$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <20010403095431.B15846@sistina.com> On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 07:37:14AM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: >Anybody know how to get postfix to work with procmail in such a way as to >filter out emails such as this on a global level? I currently use procmail >for individual users. mailbox_command = procmail That's how procmail does it's global mailbox sorting, setup procmail how you need it, and set the procmail command to use as the "mailbox_command" for local delivery. I don't know much more about how postfix works for local delivery because all I use it for is smtp, but I'm sure it's similar to how fetchmail does things, get the mail, pump it through procmail. s/fetchmail/postfix and things should be ok. Let me know of how things go, I would be interesting in setting this up at home when I get my domain regged and my radio in. (PS. Anyone want high speed radio net access and can't get DSL/cable? I would like to know as a friend of mine has 802.11 long range capabilities and a fat pipe, just needs some business (256,512,1M,2M,10M,11M :-) Thanks, -- Thomas J. Hudak Systems Administrator Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com Phone: 612.379.3951 Page: 612.318.1967 Fax: 612.379.3952 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010403/adce71b9/attachment.pgp From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Apr 3 10:26:37 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New to linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Mon, 2 Apr 2001, Florin Iucha wrote: > 1. Modem: look for any _EXTERNAL_ modems or look for a an ISA internal > modem. Look on the box for "Works with 486", Or ask if it uses a real COM port. That way you can weed out the clueless salespeople who'll just say "Yes" about the 486. > 2. XFree86 4.xx supports Voodoo3 so get RedHat 7.1 beta or Mandrake 8.0 > beta or any recent Linux distribution and add XFree86 4.0.3 to it. Doesn't RedHat 7 come with XFree4? People should probably NOT be using Red Hat betas... especially newbies. I'd say go with Mandrake. It's supposed to be the most User Friendly of distributions. I recently installed almost all major distros and it did seem to be the easiest one to install if you've never done it before. -Yaron -- From thudak at sistina.com Tue Apr 3 11:53:31 2001 From: thudak at sistina.com (Tom Hudak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: G400 for sale In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 10:11:07AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010403115331.C15846@sistina.com> On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 10:11:07AM -0500, Yaron wrote: > Hi, > >So, everyone on the list's been raving about how cooool Matrox G400 cards >are. Unfortunetly they're not great for games, and I'm apparently a dork >who likes games too much. Therefore I now have a perfectly good G400 >DualHead with 32MB just sitting here. Anyone want to buy it for like >$100 (or make an offer)? Sold, I'm putting together a new "non-heavy use" system, and I'd like a dual-head setup. Let me know when your free so we can get this done, I work days til about 5 or 6. Thanks, -- Thomas J. Hudak Systems Administrator Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com Phone: 612.379.3951 Page: 612.318.1967 Fax: 612.379.3952 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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XFree86 4.xx supports Voodoo3 so get RedHat 7.1 beta or Mandrake 8.0 > > beta or any recent Linux distribution and add XFree86 4.0.3 to it. > > Doesn't RedHat 7 come with XFree4? People should probably NOT be using Red > Hat betas... especially newbies. Yes it does. However I find 7.1beta2 (Wolverine) _MUCH_ more stable than 7.0. > I'd say go with Mandrake. It's supposed to be the most User Friendly of > distributions. I recently installed almost all major distros and it did > seem to be the easiest one to install if you've never done it before. Recomended that too :) florin -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE6yhW5NLPgdTuQ3+QRAvkWAJoDL5zazA/u3o/K9vNPvu/wkI5R9wCghkmW i65Rw6Ony5lzZP5iN6XB3hU= =lgkv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Tue Apr 3 13:37:08 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB Drives (Iomega) In-Reply-To: <20010403115650.20950.qmail@web13405.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, Jonathan Kline wrote: > So I got my new USB Zip250 Self powered drive last nite, and I'll be > dammed, when I opened it up, it includes the IomegaWare software for > Linux.......... Think this means somethin' for the PC industry? Like > maybe Linux is a competitor now? Maybe, or maybe a product line manager said, "Hey, fringe geeks' money's as good as anyone else's, and they already wrote the driver we're going to sell back to them..." Doesn't matter -- either way this is how progress comes! Phil M -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From cbidler at talkware.net Tue Apr 3 13:57:38 2001 From: cbidler at talkware.net (Chris Bidler) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] snow white, duh References: <004e01c0bc3a$d04769c0$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010403095431.B15846@sistina.com> Message-ID: <3ACA1D22.2020102@talkware.net> Tom Hudak wrote: > Let me know of how things go, I would be interesting in setting this up at > home when I get my domain regged and my radio in. > (PS. Anyone want high speed radio net access and can't get DSL/cable? I would > like to know as a friend of mine has 802.11 long range capabilities and a fat > pipe, just needs some business (256,512,1M,2M,10M,11M :-) > Thanks, What's the hardware cost like? And what sort of monthly rates for 256/512/1M? -- <----------------------------------------------------------------------> Chris H. Bidler cbidler@talkware.net Associate Engineer, Sysadmin Group Universal Talkware Corp. "In any event, is a O^(log N) search that returns the wrong answer really better than an O^N search that returns the right answer?" <----------------------------------------------------------------------> From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Tue Apr 3 13:51:50 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New to linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, Florin Iucha wrote: > > Doesn't RedHat 7 come with XFree4? People should probably NOT be using Red > > Hat betas... especially newbies. > > Yes it does. However I find 7.1beta2 (Wolverine) _MUCH_ more stable than > 7.0. > > > I'd say go with Mandrake. It's supposed to be the most User Friendly of > > distributions. I recently installed almost all major distros and it did > > seem to be the easiest one to install if you've never done it before. > > Recomended that too :) Since no one's doing it, I'll be the first to recommend Debian, so that you can learn on a system that works first, then you can break, I mean upgrade it, later. ;) Shoot, I guess now I'm ineligible for the pool as to how long it takes the new guy to switch to Debian. No, actually, unless it's a laptop or slightly odd hardware, I'd do Debian so that its easier to play with installing/deinstalling packages while you figure out what you really like to use, but I don't say that to start a distro jihad. Cheers, Phil M -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From tanner at real-time.com Tue Apr 3 12:32:40 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Saturday's topic In-Reply-To: <20010403093504.E16446@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 09:35:04AM -0500 References: <20010403093504.E16446@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20010403123240.F1254@real-time.com> Quoting Dave Sherohman (esper@sherohman.org): > I don't know why this didn't occur to me before, but... > > Does anyone know the person who's coming from SteelEye or seen him do > something similar before? I'm wondering how likely it is that the real topic > will turn out to be "High-Availability Clustering Using SteelEye Products" > and be completely devoid of useful information for those who have no interest > in becoming their customers. (If it's a product-centric talk, that's cool - > we've had people do presentations on GFS, NetSaint, and a few others before. > But it's nice to know in advance whether to expect a tech talk or a sales > pitch.) It's both. Of course they aren't going to come out and just talk generic concepts, that does not give you much. Examples is what you want to see. And OF course they are going to push their product. If RedHat would get off their butts and come and give a talk on their HA solution I'd go to that as well. You have to remember business usually don't do anything for totally free. :-) -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Tell that to See, debian did that recently, but it all came over nicely in the rdist :) package pools kick ass. no more distribution 'directories'. just 'packages' files that define a distribution. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@efnet So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010403/d4dba506/attachment.pgp From m_nassar at yahoo.com Tue Apr 3 11:55:20 2001 From: m_nassar at yahoo.com (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: The indigo is back on sale! In-Reply-To: <200104030011.f330BYZ02733@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010403165520.34200.qmail@web10105.mail.yahoo.com> i have never played around with an Indigo before, but from what i heard they are pretty good; worth a try at least... $175 what do you say? -munir > Message: 12 > Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 17:52:53 -0500 (CDT) > From: Colin Kilbane > To: "'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'" > > Subject: [TCLUG] The indigo is back on sale! > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > I couple of weeks ago I put an indigo up for sale. > Unfortunatly nobody > told me the root password or the bios password. > Without that the system > would be just a purple doorstop. I have a thing > against selling > doorstops. I got the necessary information just > recently and was able to > determine the actual specs on the machine so it is > back on sale once > again. > > Here are the specs > > RISC MIPS 4000 with FPU running at 100mhz > 80 mb of memory > 1 3.2gig quantum hd + 1 430meg seagate > irix 6.5 installed and configured > SGI 17inch (trinitron tube!) monitor (very nice > indeed) > Mouse + keyboard > 1 10 base T (rj45) transever for networking ( I'll > throw in a bnc one too) > Two external drives + cables ( 500 megs each ) I > have to test these though > > the glow that comes with having an SGI on your desk > is free...:) > > With the recent upgrades the machine is going for > $200 OBO > > Colin Kilbane ===== -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GAT GIT dpu- s:- a19 C++ UL P+ L+(++) E--- W+ N+ w(--) K? O-- M- V- PS+ PE-(--) Y-- PGP-(---) t 5+++ X R tv-- b+++ D++ DI++ G e+ h+() r- y+ UF++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From tanner at real-time.com Tue Apr 3 12:05:22 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] snow white, duh In-Reply-To: <004e01c0bc3a$d04769c0$3028680a@tgt.com>; from veldy@veldy.net on Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 07:37:14AM -0500 References: <004e01c0bc3a$d04769c0$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <20010403120522.E16180@real-time.com> Quoting Thomas T. Veldhouse (veldy@veldy.net): > Anybody know how to get postfix to work with procmail in such a way as to > filter out emails such as this on a global level? I currently use procmail > for individual users. /etc/procmailrc -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Apr 3 12:06:56 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New to linux Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109747@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> > Mandrake and Redhat are sort of the same thing. Mandrake is based on > Redhat but with some extra stuff tacked on. This is no longer true. Each Mandrake release used to be based on the corresponding redhat release, with a few mods. Mandrake has gone it's separate way now and the only real similarity that Mandrake really shares with Redhat is the use of rpm for package management (Suse and a couple others also use rpm). Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Brady Hegberg [mailto:bradyh@bitstream.net] > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 9:07 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] New to linux > > > Mandrake and Redhat are sort of the same thing. Mandrake is based on > Redhat but with some extra stuff tacked on. Redhat can be a > pretty good > distro when starting out because it's the most common one so > lots of people > are familiar with it and software/hardware can be easier to > get working > with it. > > As far as hardware goes check one of the following: > > www.linhardware.com > linux.com/hardware > > Oh yeah and if you like a windows type interface make sure > you install > Gnome and/or KDE when you install your distro. I love Gnome > myself and > version 1.4 just got released today. > > Brady > > >As for you asking what distributions are the best... I > think you probably > >just started a flame war. :) I like Mandrake for desktop > boxes, and debian > >for servers. I haven't used Slackware in a long time, so I > don't know how > >they are, and I don't really like RedHat, it seems to suck > for a desktop > >system, and for servers it works OK, although it installs tons of > >unnecessary crap. > > > >Jay > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Matt Waters [mailto:thefishyone@hotmail.com] > > > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 8:08 PM > > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > Subject: [TCLUG] New to linux > > > > > > > > > Hello. I just subscribed to this list last night, and am very > > > new to Linux, > > > so I preemptivly apologize if I ask a stupid question. > > > > > > Anyway, I used to run a redhat box on an i686 but took it > > > down because I > > > could never figure it out. After several months of cussing > > > out my windows > > > machine (I switched to Win2k, and although a massive > > > improvement over Win9x, > > > is still very buggy) and at the recomendation of a friend's > > > father who is a > > > huge UNIX guru, however, I decided to give Linux another try. > > > My 3 major > > > problems with getting Linux up and running are the fact that > > > I can't find a > > > modem anywhere that will work with Linux, my Voodoo3 and SB > > > Live cards don't > > > have drivers written for them that I know of, and the fact > > > that I have > > > virtually no experience with UNIX. If any of you would give > > > me the name of a > > > good, relatively cheap modem, point me to some Voodoo3/SB > > > Live drivers, or > > > give me a few pointers on how to learn Linux, it would be > > > most appreciated. > > > > > > Also, I know it's fairly subjective, but what distributions > > > do you guys > > > think work the best, based on your experience? > > > > > > The Fishy One's Infinite Wisdom #28: "Life is anything that > > > dies when you > > > stomp on it." > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >tclug-list mailing list > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From zibby at ringworld.org Tue Apr 3 12:10:31 2001 From: zibby at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux quake3 problem In-Reply-To: <20010403091852.B15143@sistina.com> Message-ID: The nvidia-kernel-src and nvidia-glx-src packages are sorta "dummy" packages. All they really contail is the debian rules file for building binary debian packages of the drivers downloaded from nvidia's ftp. The rules files do automatically grab the tarballs when you run the rules file. If you're unfamiliar with building debian source packages, you'll need to figure that out. It is recomended that you build your kernel with make-kpkg or use a prebuilt kernel with these packages. I wrote up a kinda sorta howto so I wouldn't have to type the process into irc ever again, so go to http://www.ringworld.org/~zibby/linux/nvidia It's by no means a complete reference to anything, but it saves me from typing things over and over... :) | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | | When in danger, or in doubt, | | run in circles, scream and shout! | From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Apr 3 12:18:31 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] remote debian install Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109749@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> I have a few remote linux boxes running some crusty old version of RedHat. I want to upgrade them to the latest version of debian, but I don't have time to fly all over the country to do a few server installs. Is there a way I can remotely whack the redhat install, and get a base debian installed and rebooted? This would make my life so much easier. Jay From fertch at mninter.net Tue Apr 3 11:41:38 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Alsa install Message-ID: <3AC9FD42.3D2A9958@mninter.net> I think I'm missing something on the install for Alsa. I'm trying to get sound to work on my Thinkpad (finally) now, and I'm following the how-to from Alsa's website. I'm using the alsa 0.5.10 files, I've unzipped, ran the ./configure, make, and make install on all three driver/lib/utils. I ran the ./snddevices in the /usr/src/alsa-driver* directory. According to the how-to, it should have made a directory called /dev/snd. Instead it created a link to /proc/asound/dev which is a non-existant directory. So, where do I go from here? I'm supposed to load the nv256 module, which also doesn't exist. Any ideas? Shawn From atebbe at real-time.com Tue Apr 3 12:47:57 2001 From: atebbe at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Saturday's topic In-Reply-To: <20010403093504.E16446@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 09:35:04AM -0500 References: <20010403093504.E16446@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20010403124757.B19462@real-time.com> I'm sure there will be product-specific information in the talk however Greg Haney (my contact) is bring a technical person with him so it should be technical. On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 09:35:04AM -0500, Dave Sherohman (esper@sherohman.org) wrote: > I don't know why this didn't occur to me before, but... > > Does anyone know the person who's coming from SteelEye or seen him do > something similar before? I'm wondering how likely it is that the real topic > will turn out to be "High-Availability Clustering Using SteelEye Products" > and be completely devoid of useful information for those who have no interest > in becoming their customers. (If it's a product-centric talk, that's cool - > we've had people do presentations on GFS, NetSaint, and a few others before. > But it's nice to know in advance whether to expect a tech talk or a sales > pitch.) > > -- > Linux will do for applications what the Internet did for networks. > - IBM, "Peace, Love, and Linux" > Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ > !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Amy Tanner Voice: 952.943.8700 Real Time Enterprises, Inc. Fax: 952.943.8500 amy@real-time.com http://www.real-time.com GPG Fingerprint: DAC7 E1B2 80D9 3099 1A20 0817 2DFE 5086 81B3 5466 From fertch at mninter.net Tue Apr 3 14:59:25 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Alsa install Message-ID: <3ACA2B9D.D05D6BBC@mninter.net> I think I'm missing something on the install for Alsa. I'm trying to get sound to work on my Thinkpad (finally) now, and I'm following the how-to from Alsa's website. I'm using the alsa 0.5.10 files, I've unzipped, ran the ./configure, make, and make install on all three driver/lib/utils. I ran the ./snddevices in the /usr/src/alsa-driver* directory. According to the how-to, it should have made a directory called /dev/snd. Instead it created a link to /proc/asound/dev which is a non-existant directory. So, where do I go from here? I'm supposed to load the nv256 module, which also doesn't exist. Any ideas? Shawn From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Tue Apr 3 16:42:48 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] remote debian install In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109749@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > Is there a way I can remotely whack the redhat install, and get a base > debian installed and rebooted? This would make my life so much easier. I think you can, I'm just not sure what the best route would be. I need to look at the Deb net install stuff, but I think you'd be cut off from the box. There's the autoinstall thing (or whatever they call it), or maybe you could program a boot disk to boot a kernel and give you net access. Maybe there's a monkey on site that could insert disk a into slot b? You'd want to test that at "home" before killing a machine you're trying to avoid flying to visit! I'm also not 100% sure you couldn't do it on top of your running RH kernel and then just reboot, nutty as that may sound. I'll go think for a minute... -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From administrator at ltiflex.com Tue Apr 3 16:49:07 2001 From: administrator at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] remote debian install References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109749@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <3ACA4553.6331BC3C@ltiflex.com> Not with Debian, but you might be able to pull it off with Progeny's boot disks (if you have someone at the remote location to pop the disks in.) I think the Progeny disks can install a stock Debian system, don't quote me on that though. Second idea: Create your base on a 650mb partition. Once your base is done, backup the file system to CD. (Use RockRidge extentions to perserve permissions and such, don't use MS extentions.) Create a bootable diskette that is scripted to boot, create a 650 mb partition, and restore the CD to it. System boots, you finish the install remotely. Third idea: nuke enough room for the debian base stuff on the current box on a partition, reconfigure lilo to boot that partition, and reboot into the new debian base. Idea four: at one time I thought there was a way to upgrade RedHat to Debian. I can't find any reference of this now, and given the current state of RedHat, it's not likely to exisit anymore. Idea five: shipping the box to you may be cheaper than shipping you to the box. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From seg at haxxed.com Tue Apr 3 17:42:05 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] remote debian install References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109749@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> <3ACA4553.6331BC3C@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <3ACA51BD.6020600@haxxed.com> > Idea five: shipping the box to you may be cheaper than shipping you to the > box. Five-and-a-half: Shipping just the HD to you might be cheaper than shipping the whole box... (Do they got hotswap bays by any chance?) From bradyh at bitstream.net Tue Apr 3 18:15:08 2001 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (brady) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New to linux In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109747@mspexch1.office.mkt w.net> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20010403181042.0095bf00@mail.bitstream.net> That's interesting. Do you know what the differences are? I assume they both still keep their files in the same places and they both have most of the same packages. Is the difference primarily kernel configuration or what? Brady > > Mandrake and Redhat are sort of the same thing. Mandrake is based on > > Redhat but with some extra stuff tacked on. > >This is no longer true. Each Mandrake release used to be based on the >corresponding redhat release, with a few mods. Mandrake has gone it's >separate way now and the only real similarity that Mandrake really shares >with Redhat is the use of rpm for package management (Suse and a couple >others also use rpm). > >Jay ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~ "Since we're going to die anyway we might as well be thinking something really stupid." - Nothing Man (leader of the "Brotherhood of Dada") From thudak at sistina.com Tue Apr 3 18:33:48 2001 From: thudak at sistina.com (Tom Hudak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] snow white, duh In-Reply-To: <3ACA1D22.2020102@talkware.net>; from cbidler@talkware.net on Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 01:57:38PM -0500 References: <004e01c0bc3a$d04769c0$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010403095431.B15846@sistina.com> <3ACA1D22.2020102@talkware.net> Message-ID: <20010403183348.A3998@localhost> On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 01:57:38PM -0500, Chris Bidler wrote: >What's the hardware cost like? And what sort of monthly rates for >256/512/1M? I'll just say this, it will compete with DSL, only double DSL's speed. (ie, $ for 1Mb sdsl >= $ for 2Mbps radio.) Here's the kicker, you can get a box that does NAT/DHCP, connects to a phone system providing all the lines attached with 1Mbps DSL, and it takes a 10/100 Eth. for it's pipe. radio -> NAT box -> phone sys. -> 1Mbps DSL on each line. Does anyone see something VERY good in this situation?? (sucks being in an apartment stuck with qwerst or cable dosn't it ;) Let's help this guy get on the right track, he wants to use linux in his ISP badly, he's sick of NT, and see's the light so to speak, I'm sure he'll be willing to negotiate deals with those that have a niche for spreading the word or have other talents.. *wink* *wink* *nudge* *nudge* I'm getting 2Mbps for this and a linux box... :-) I'll bring him to the next LUG meeting or maybe a beer night would be more appropriate! Thanks, -- Thomas J. Hudak Systems Administrator Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com Phone: 612.379.3951 Page: 612.318.1967 Fax: 612.379.3952 From m_nassar at yahoo.com Tue Apr 3 18:48:42 2001 From: m_nassar at yahoo.com (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: MSN Explorer In-Reply-To: <200104030909.f3399qZ11449@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010403234842.16844.qmail@web10108.mail.yahoo.com> > I have good experiences with RedHat x.[12]. I have > bad experiences with > RedHat x.0 . You might want to try Mandrake as it's > more newbie friendly. i liked Mandrake pretty much as i started out but found out later on that it is somewhat crippled, use Mandrake for now but expect to switch once you get a hang of things... > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com > > ... when it will be supported on linux :) i just left a comment on their website asking if they are going to support Linux anytime soon... > florin -munir ===== -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GAT GIT dpu- s:- a19 C++ UL P+ L+(++) E--- W+ N+ w(--) K? O-- M- V- PS+ PE-(--) Y-- PGP-(---) t 5+++ X R tv-- b+++ D++ DI++ G e+ h+() r- y+ UF++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Apr 3 20:53:30 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] snow white, duh In-Reply-To: <20010403183348.A3998@localhost>; from thudak@sistina.com on Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 06:33:48PM -0500 References: <004e01c0bc3a$d04769c0$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010403095431.B15846@sistina.com> <3ACA1D22.2020102@talkware.net> <20010403183348.A3998@localhost> Message-ID: <20010403205330.B1826@hermes.sistina.com> On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 06:33:48PM -0500, Tom Hudak wrote: > >I'm getting 2Mbps for this and a linux box... :-) > Hey Tom, tell chris all I want is wireless access with my laptop when I'm in the area, nothing permanent :-) -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) $chown -R us.us yourbase -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010403/b05ab899/attachment.pgp From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Apr 3 20:57:13 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] remote debian install Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109750@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Unfortunately, they are not hotswap drives, and they are a total pain to take apart (Crystal PC's). I'm not even sure which ones they are in the datacenter as we have a whole bunch of them, and it's doubtful that they are labeled. So it's going to be hard to get some server monkey to find it. I already hosed one by trying to boot a modified 2.4.3 kernel remotely, I don't really want to mess up another one. I'll have some people out to one of the datacenters later this week, so if I mess up more there it's no biggie. I'm just worried about the others that are scattered around the country. I kinda like the idea of wiping out one of my partitions, like /home, and installing a debian filesystem on it and just modifying lilo. Although, I don't know if that will work. Doesn't lilo store the position on the disk where the kernel starts? I can probably get it to work somehow, like copying the new kernel to the /boot partition on the redhat box before I run lilo. Once I get it booted I can wipe out the old partitions, and copy my /usr and other partitions to the right places, modify my /etc/fstab, and reboot with everything new in place. Hrm... > -----Original Message----- > From: Callum Lerwick [mailto:seg@haxxed.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 5:42 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] remote debian install > > > > Idea five: shipping the box to you may be cheaper than > shipping you to the > > box. > > Five-and-a-half: Shipping just the HD to you might be cheaper > than shipping the whole box... (Do they got hotswap bays by > any chance?) > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Apr 3 20:58:27 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] snow white, duh Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109751@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Let's buy this man some very tall beers. :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Hudak [mailto:thudak@sistina.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 6:34 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] snow white, duh > > > On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 01:57:38PM -0500, Chris Bidler wrote: > >What's the hardware cost like? And what sort of monthly rates for > >256/512/1M? > I'll just say this, it will compete with DSL, only double > DSL's speed. (ie, $ > for 1Mb sdsl >= $ for 2Mbps radio.) > Here's the kicker, you can get a box that does NAT/DHCP, > connects to a phone > system providing all the lines attached with 1Mbps DSL, and > it takes a 10/100 > Eth. for it's pipe. radio -> NAT box -> phone sys. -> 1Mbps > DSL on each line. > > Does anyone see something VERY good in this situation?? > (sucks being in an > apartment stuck with qwerst or cable dosn't it ;) > > Let's help this guy get on the right track, he wants to use > linux in his ISP > badly, he's sick of NT, and see's the light so to speak, I'm > sure he'll be > willing to negotiate deals with those that have a niche for > spreading the > word or have other talents.. *wink* *wink* *nudge* *nudge* > > I'm getting 2Mbps for this and a linux box... :-) > > I'll bring him to the next LUG meeting or maybe a beer night > would be more > appropriate! > Thanks, > -- > Thomas J. Hudak > Systems Administrator > Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com > Phone: 612.379.3951 Page: 612.318.1967 > Fax: 612.379.3952 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From m_nassar at yahoo.com Tue Apr 3 21:09:55 2001 From: m_nassar at yahoo.com (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] errorcode: "Too much work during an interrupt" Message-ID: <20010404020955.88110.qmail@web10103.mail.yahoo.com> i just came across an errorcode on an old FTP server, its an old Digital 6180 with a PPro 180MHz running Mandrake 7.2 with a Digital NIC (tulip)card ... errorcode came up as i downloaded a 150+ MB binary file, i had just uploaded the file without problems... (it came again as i downloaded another file) anyways error is: "eth0: Too much work during an interrupt, csr5=0xf8670040." the download proceeds without a hitch (well i get the message 6-10 times) and as far as i can tell there seem to be no errors in the download... is this an error in the module (tulip.o) or in the hardware itself? -munir ===== -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GAT GIT dpu- s:- a19 C++ UL P+ L+(++) E--- W+ N+ w(--) K? O-- M- V- PS+ PE-(--) Y-- PGP-(---) t 5+++ X R tv-- b+++ D++ DI++ G e+ h+() r- y+ UF++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From veldy at veldy.net Tue Apr 3 18:58:50 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] snow white, duh In-Reply-To: <20010403120522.E16180@real-time.com> Message-ID: I probably should have been more specific. I need procmail to filter mail BEFORE it enters Mailman. Currently, even with Postfix set to filter email using procmail, it only does the filtering when Mailman sends email. So, the filter is done 32 times and it still shows in the archives. Since the filtering is on body text (to stop attached viruses), I need procmail to do it as Mailman will only filter on headers. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Bob Tanner Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 12:05 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] snow white, duh Quoting Thomas T. Veldhouse (veldy@veldy.net): > Anybody know how to get postfix to work with procmail in such a way as to > filter out emails such as this on a global level? I currently use procmail > for individual users. /etc/procmailrc -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troyschmidt at mn.mediaone.net Tue Apr 3 19:02:38 2001 From: troyschmidt at mn.mediaone.net (Troy Schmidt) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New to linux References: <200104031339.f33DdQZ17390@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <007e01c0bc9a$8feec7f0$6401a8c0@sucubus> It is using the V.92 protocol, I believe Multi-Tech Systems is has a simular device however it would probably be more spendy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "andrew nemchenko" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 8:38 AM Subject: RE: [TCLUG] New to linux > The modem that you want to get is an Actionteck call waiting modem. It's > made by Lucent technologies. You can answer the phone while you are online, > and it works with linux. It even says so on the box and to prove it they > even put the linux installation instructions in the box. Last time I saw it > at Best Buy it was around $40. > > > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From thudak at sistina.com Tue Apr 3 19:08:00 2001 From: thudak at sistina.com (Tom Hudak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux quake3 problem In-Reply-To: ; from zibby@ringworld.org on Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 12:10:31PM -0500 References: <20010403091852.B15143@sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010403190759.B4600@localhost> I am familiar enough with all the facets of my system to not rely on the kernel packages, the nvidia packages etc. which I personally see as not a necessity, but a convenience for those who don't want/know to do so by hand. Personaly, I hate lilo, but I'm all about grub, a fresh kernel.org kernel/patch and "make"ing it. That's part of my satisfaction in using linux, is doing it by hand, maybe I'm to *old school* (phhhh yeah right!) but the debian kernel packages annoy me. I'm going back to slackware when 7.2 is released.. I love slackware.. What a nice clean distro.. Thanks, -- Thomas J. Hudak Systems Administrator Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com Phone: 612.379.3951 Page: 612.318.1967 Fax: 612.379.3952 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010403/51da9c9d/attachment.pgp From thefishyone at hotmail.com Tue Apr 3 19:02:34 2001 From: thefishyone at hotmail.com (Matt Waters) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New to linux Message-ID: Thank you all for your input. I really appreciate your guys' help. Unfortunately, I can't attend the InstallFest on 4/12/01, as I will be out of town on spring break. :-( I do have experience installing various distros, so at least I'm not totally clueless. :-) I figure that I'm going to go with a non US Robotics external modem, cause I got screwed over by US Robotics (and a Best Buy tech) when I got a US Robotics 56k ISA specifically for Linux. The modem claimed to be a real modem (Along with the service tech), however, upon closer examination of the drivers, I found it to be using vcomm.dll, a classic hallmark of the dreaded winmodem. /me beats his head against the wall several times for being so easily suckered. As for that pool about how long it will take the new guy to switch to Debian, whoever guessed that I'll install it by Easter (Or as soon as I can get my hands on the cds, whichever comes second) won the pot :-). I had been considering Debian for a while, cause it's supposedly the most svelt and secure of the distros (/me prays that his statement does not start a distro jihad). I tried to duel boot slink on a win98 machine, but I just ended up trashing the debian install to the point of utter unworkability. Hopefully, since I'm going to dedicate my whole hd to Linux, this will not be a problem. In the meantime, I'm about to install a version of slackware that runs on top of Win2k in order to get a feel for Linux before I commit my computer to it. BTW, any of you guys know of a place around the Dakota county area where I can get 2.2r2 binaries for Debian? (I have a helluva slow connection and don't want to spend the next 2 months downloading debian.) Anyway, I've probably rambled on long enough. Thanks again for your help. You guys are great. Now for the hardest part of any Linux installation: Getting my windows-addicted family to learn how to use Linux without constantly complaining about it. =) The Fishy One's Infinite Wisdom #28: "Life is anything that dies when you stomp on it." _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From incsdirect at yahoo.com Tue Apr 3 20:29:54 2001 From: incsdirect at yahoo.com (A J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: PORT FORWARING Message-ID: <20010404012955.39074.qmail@web13208.mail.yahoo.com> Hi there, I'm trying to get the LAN reading the POP mail from an external machine via port forwarding, but have no luck so far. My Linux RHL7 has 2 network adapters 203.101.33.177 (eth1) extrenal and 192.168.1.105 (eth0) internal Users on LAN have their workstations on 192.168.1.* network number. The POP server itselft where users have their acounts gets all mail downloaded to it is on MAC and is on 203.101.33.9 All I need is to make users from 192.168.1.* to connect to 192.168.1.105 (Linux box internal address) and then to make linux to forward connection to 203.101.33.9 (Mac POP Server) so it's some sort of proxy. I have tried this on Linux BOX ipmasqadm portfw -a -P tcp -L 192.168.1.105 110 -R 203.101.33.9 110 then I to telnet from my LAN telnet 192.168.0.105 110 and I expect to have response from MAC POP server But it says 'Unable to connect to host" What am I doing wrong? Is there any other solutions to this? Thank you very much in advance Arthur --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Personal Address - Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There's the autoinstall thing (or whatever they call it), or >maybe you could program a boot disk to boot a kernel and give you net >access. Maybe there's a monkey on site that could insert disk a into >slot b? You'd want to test that at "home" before killing a machine you're >trying to avoid flying to visit! > >I'm also not 100% sure you couldn't do it on top of your running >RH kernel and then just reboot, nutty as that may sound. > >I'll go think for a minute... > > -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) $chown -R us.us yourbase -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Marc Sobel, the author, also wrote A Practical Guide to Unix. Good Luck, Jack On Monday 02 April 2001 20:07, you wrote: > Hello. I just subscribed to this list last night, and am very new to Linux, > so I preemptivly apologize if I ask a stupid question. > > Anyway, I used to run a redhat box on an i686 but took it down because I > could never figure it out. After several months of cussing out my windows > machine (I switched to Win2k, and although a massive improvement over > Win9x, is still very buggy) and at the recomendation of a friend's father > who is a huge UNIX guru, however, I decided to give Linux another try. My 3 > major problems with getting Linux up and running are the fact that I can't > find a modem anywhere that will work with Linux, my Voodoo3 and SB Live > cards don't have drivers written for them that I know of, and the fact that > I have virtually no experience with UNIX. If any of you would give me the > name of a good, relatively cheap modem, point me to some Voodoo3/SB Live > drivers, or give me a few pointers on how to learn Linux, it would be most > appreciated. > > Also, I know it's fairly subjective, but what distributions do you guys > think work the best, based on your experience? > > The Fishy One's Infinite Wisdom #28: "Life is anything that dies when you > stomp on it." > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jack at jacku.com Tue Apr 3 21:51:57 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New to linux In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20010403181042.0095bf00@mail.bitstream.net> References: <4.2.0.58.20010403181042.0095bf00@mail.bitstream.net> Message-ID: <01040321515701.01252@geezer> Its the thing that keeps most distros unique, the utilities. Install and admin utilities mostly. I've only dealt with Mandrake very tangentially but what I saw was their taking the "ease of use" part of the utilities and focusing on that. FWIW I still find SuSE easier. ;-) Jack. On Tuesday 03 April 2001 18:15, you wrote: > That's interesting. Do you know what the differences are? I assume they > both still keep their files in the same places and they both have most of > the same packages. Is the difference primarily kernel configuration or > what? > > Brady > > > > Mandrake and Redhat are sort of the same thing. Mandrake is based on > > > Redhat but with some extra stuff tacked on. > > > >This is no longer true. Each Mandrake release used to be based on the > >corresponding redhat release, with a few mods. Mandrake has gone it's > >separate way now and the only real similarity that Mandrake really shares > >with Redhat is the use of rpm for package management (Suse and a couple > >others also use rpm). > > > >Jay > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >~ ~~~~~~~~~~~ > "Since we're going to die anyway we might as well be thinking something > really stupid." > - Nothing Man (leader of the "Brotherhood of Dada") > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Apr 3 22:24:20 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Free world dialup Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109754@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> This is kinda off-topic, but I feel that my fellow geeks will appreciate it. I'm an alpha tester for the Free World Dialup (http://www.freeworldialup.com). It's a box (made by Cisco, although others will be making them too) that you hook into your DSL or cable connection (or anything fast), and your phone line. When you make a call, it contacts a central server, and that server tells it if there is another gateway in the area code/country that you are calling, instructs the remote gateway to dial the person you want, and then connects the call over IP, NO long distance charges. I just called New Jersey, and Sydney, Austrailia. The pings to the gateway in Sydney were over 300ms, yet the call quality was absolutely perfect with no noticable delay. New Jersey had around 170ms pings and was perfect also. Supposedly, if our testing goes well, you'll be able to pick these gateways up for around $150 at Best Buy this summer. Basically, in exchange for free calls, you make your line available to others in the world so they can call numbers which are local to you. Right now, the protocol they are using is uncompressed, and uses about 64kbps of bandwidth. Cisco IP phones use about 8kbps when compressed. So if they implement the compressed codec into the gateway, you'd probably be able to use it over a modem. Way cool. Jay From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Apr 3 23:35:43 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: PORT FORWARING Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109755@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> >telnet 192.168.0.105 110 shouldn't that be 192.168.1.105, not 0.105? -----Original Message----- From: A J [mailto:incsdirect@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 8:30 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] RE: PORT FORWARING Hi there, I'm trying to get the LAN reading the POP mail from an external machine via port forwarding, but have no luck so far. My Linux RHL7 has 2 network adapters 203.101.33.177 (eth1) extrenal and 192.168.1.105 (eth0) internal Users on LAN have their workstations on 192.168.1.* network number. The POP server itselft where users have their acounts gets all mail downloaded to it is on MAC and is on 203.101.33.9 All I need is to make users from 192.168.1.* to connect to 192.168.1.105 (Linux box internal address) and then to make linux to forward connection to 203.101.33.9 (Mac POP Server) so it's some sort of proxy. I have tried this on Linux BOX ipmasqadm portfw -a -P tcp -L 192.168.1.105 110 -R 203.101.33.9 110 then I to telnet from my LAN telnet 192.168.0.105 110 and I expect to have response from MAC POP server But it says 'Unable to connect to host" What am I doing wrong? Is there any other solutions to this? Thank you very much in advance Arthur _____ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Personal Address - Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! 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Virgin sacrifices work too. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@efnet So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010404/10a3c160/attachment.pgp From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Apr 4 00:20:30 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Free world dialup In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109754@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 10:24:20PM -0500 References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109754@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010404002030.U27270@ringworld.org> * Austad, Jay [010403 22:53]: > Right now, the protocol they are using is uncompressed, and uses about > 64kbps of bandwidth. Cisco IP phones use about 8kbps when compressed. So I would love to see these things with commercial providers too :) I'm not impressed with having to use that linksys thing-gateway (yick!) and im nto willing to let others dialout on my phone line unless theres some really good auditing and insurance to back me incase something Bad(tm) goes down. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@efnet So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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At 07:09 PM 4/3/01 -0700, you wrote: >i just came across an errorcode on an old FTP server, >its an old Digital 6180 with a PPro 180MHz running >Mandrake 7.2 with a Digital NIC (tulip)card ... > >errorcode came up as i downloaded a 150+ MB binary >file, i had just uploaded the file without problems... >(it came again as i downloaded another file) > >anyways error is: "eth0: Too much work during an >interrupt, csr5=0xf8670040." > >the download proceeds without a hitch (well i get the >message 6-10 times) and as far as i can tell there >seem to be no errors in the download... > >is this an error in the module (tulip.o) or in the >hardware itself? > > -munir > >===== >-----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- >Version: 3.12 >GAT GIT dpu- s:- a19 C++ UL P+ L+(++) E--- W+ N+ w(--) K? O-- M- V- PS+ PE-(--) Y-- PGP-(---) t 5+++ X R tv-- b+++ D++ DI++ G e+ h+() r- y+ UF++ >------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tanner at real-time.com Wed Apr 4 01:01:11 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mailman just too slow In-Reply-To: <20010330151540.E27270@ringworld.org>; from dieman+tclug@ringworld.org on Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 03:15:40PM -0600 References: <20010329214706.B2995@master.dbsource.com> <20010330123750.V19975@real-time.com> <20010330140311.C1883@vm-lvm> <20010330151540.E27270@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010404010111.D20136@real-time.com> Quoting Scott Dier (dieman+tclug@ringworld.org): > * Ben Lutgens [010330 15:06]: > > I use qmail and don't have these problems. Just my .02 but qmail kicks ass. > > too bad its licensing #@)( people in the ass. What I don't (didn't) like about qmail was the difficulty in getting MAPS to work with it. That been fixed? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Wed Apr 4 07:38:02 2001 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] compatitble video cards for RedHat 7.0 In-Reply-To: <20010330123335.D1448@vm-lvm>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 12:33:35PM -0600 References: <20010330141255.82636.qmail@web9602.mail.yahoo.com> <20010330123335.D1448@vm-lvm> Message-ID: <20010404073802.A56997@sorry.cs.umn.edu> This is also the case with the G450 dualhead that I bought. Gabe On Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 12:33:35PM -0600, Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 09:53:18AM -0600, Timothy Wilson wrote: > >I've got a Matrox G400 w/ 32MB RAM. It was very easy to configure and I've > >had no trouble with it at all. > Actually I have two here at Sistina that have a new FW rev that will NOT work > with out of box debian X4.02 drivers and requires the mga_drv.o from matrox's > site to be dropped into /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/driver/ in order to work. > -- > Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 > Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 > Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) > > "I'm opening the "Paige" cache, anyone wanna cycle a few buffers?" > Mike Tilstra - Refering to a pop machine containing James Paige beer. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Hey Guedo! It's all so clear to me now. I am the keeper of the cheese, and you're the lemon merchant. Get it?" - Ren Hoek in "In the Army" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Wed Apr 4 07:49:34 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] snow white, duh In-Reply-To: <20010403183348.A3998@localhost> Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, Tom Hudak wrote: > On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 01:57:38PM -0500, Chris Bidler wrote: > >What's the hardware cost like? And what sort of monthly rates for > >256/512/1M? > I'll just say this, it will compete with DSL, only double DSL's speed. (ie, $ > for 1Mb sdsl >= $ for 2Mbps radio.) > Here's the kicker, you can get a box that does NAT/DHCP, connects to a phone > system providing all the lines attached with 1Mbps DSL, and it takes a 10/100 > Eth. for it's pipe. radio -> NAT box -> phone sys. -> 1Mbps DSL on each line. > > Does anyone see something VERY good in this situation?? (sucks being in an > apartment stuck with qwerst or cable dosn't it ;) This does sound tres cool. Pardon my density, but I didn't get a clear enough answer on hardware costs (and am not up to speed on the DSL rates). Can you be more specific, so I can decide how big a fanatic to be? :) Phil M -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Wed Apr 4 07:54:48 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] remote debian install In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109750@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > I kinda like the idea of wiping out one of my partitions, like /home, and > installing a debian filesystem on it and just modifying lilo. Although, I > don't know if that will work. Doesn't lilo store the position on the disk > where the kernel starts? I can probably get it to work somehow, like > copying the new kernel to the /boot partition on the redhat box before I run > lilo. Once I get it booted I can wipe out the old partitions, and copy my > /usr and other partitions to the right places, modify my /etc/fstab, and > reboot with everything new in place. You *should* be able to do the lilo trick. If it was me, I'd do that, but mail out a pre-fab boot floppy (tomsrtbt? with IP addresses fixed, etc.) so that you can get back into the machine if you hose the lilo, but then I'm probably the king of punctuation errors. Phil M -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Wed Apr 4 08:02:03 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New to linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, Matt Waters wrote: > BTW, any of you guys know of a place around the Dakota > county area where I can get 2.2r2 binaries for Debian? (I have a helluva > slow connection and don't want to spend the next 2 months downloading > debian.) Anyway, I've probably rambled on long enough. Thanks again for your > help. You guys are great. You can just order them online, too. I forget who I got mine from, but I'll look -- it was way cheap, and they're great. If I had a CD burner, I'd do copies for you. (That's potato, right?) Or you can borrow the disks for an afternoon. I'm not in Dakota county, but 52 ends a stone's throw from my place in St. Paul. > Now for the hardest part of any Linux installation: Getting my > windows-addicted family to learn how to use Linux without constantly > complaining about it. =) Nah, just make sure you install something like Star Office or WordPerfect so they don't have to *start* with emacs. It's easy to find bells and whistles (sloppy focus in X) that will win them over. -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From veldy at veldy.net Wed Apr 4 08:28:43 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] snow white, duh References: Message-ID: <005c01c0bd0b$2b5bf2b0$3028680a@tgt.com> What about latency? What is typical for packet loss? How does this all work during a storm -- or solar flares? Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip C Mendelsohn" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 7:49 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] snow white, duh > On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, Tom Hudak wrote: > > > On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 01:57:38PM -0500, Chris Bidler wrote: > > >What's the hardware cost like? And what sort of monthly rates for > > >256/512/1M? > > I'll just say this, it will compete with DSL, only double DSL's speed. (ie, $ > > for 1Mb sdsl >= $ for 2Mbps radio.) > > Here's the kicker, you can get a box that does NAT/DHCP, connects to a phone > > system providing all the lines attached with 1Mbps DSL, and it takes a 10/100 > > Eth. for it's pipe. radio -> NAT box -> phone sys. -> 1Mbps DSL on each line. > > > > Does anyone see something VERY good in this situation?? (sucks being in an > > apartment stuck with qwerst or cable dosn't it ;) > > This does sound tres cool. Pardon my density, but I didn't get a clear > enough answer on hardware costs (and am not up to speed on the DSL > rates). Can you be more specific, so I can decide how big a fanatic to > be? :) > > Phil M > > -- > "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From veldy at veldy.net Wed Apr 4 08:26:46 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mailman just too slow References: <20010329201957.M19975@real-time.com> <002b01c0b942$19257840$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010330133246.E19975@real-time.com> Message-ID: <004701c0bd0a$e5b968f0$3028680a@tgt.com> The development is done by the Python team. "You will also need an SMTP server (a.k.a. mail transport agent or MTA) for mail delivery and reception. Sendmail is the oldest and most widely-used MTA, and comes pre-installed on most Unix systems, however it is not the recommended MTA to use with Mailman. It works, but you may get better results from one of the newer MTAs. Good results are reported on the Mailman mailing lists from people using Postfix, Exim, and Qmail. Most Mailman development is done with Postfix. " Note the last line. This is from www.list.org. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Tanner" To: Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Mailman just too slow > Quoting Thomas T. Veldhouse (veldy@veldy.net): > > What MTA? I understand performance sucks with Mailman/Sendmail. Try > > Mailman/Postfix. It was developed under this combination. > > Sendmail. > > Sourceforge used Postfix? Never noticed. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From thudak at sistina.com Wed Apr 4 08:40:48 2001 From: thudak at sistina.com (Tom Hudak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] snow white, duh In-Reply-To: <20010404001637.S27270@ringworld.org>; from dieman+tclug@ringworld.org on Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 12:16:37AM -0500 References: <004e01c0bc3a$d04769c0$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010403095431.B15846@sistina.com> <20010404001637.S27270@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010404084047.A1982@localhost> On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 12:16:37AM -0500, Scott Dier wrote: >Is he using the 'newer' breezecom equipment that supports 'stronger' >security than mac lists? To tell you the truth, I don't know the make/model of the radio's. I'm not sure if they use WEP, but I believe that's what it was when I had one. I'm sure he could use some assistance as to what kind of "other" products are out there, as it's hard to do market research, run a company, be tech support, and still live somewhat. (This is where favors come in to play.. :-) When I say I don't know the price, it's just because I haven't broken out my sci-calculator to figure it out. :-) As I said, the pricing is screwed, but you will get good deal. Call and speak with Chris at MicroCom (owner), tell him Tom referred you, and you are interested in a radio connection, he'll cut through the bullshit for you. 763-717-1569 or go here and fill out the form: http://www.baldeagle.com/WirelessInternetAccess.htm Either way he'll get back to you and if he dosn't, I'll light a fire under his ass. It's a small company, just remember that and if he seems like he's not getting back to you, it's because he's a damn busy guy. :-) The reason I posted to the list was because I thought there would be a good amount of genuine interest in what he's doing, and the fact he wants to convert to linux, maybe we can have a linux based ISP around here that "supports windows" but recommends a linux PC :-) Philip M.: The hardware costs fluctuate and I'm not exactly sure what equipment he's using now, but if you call him, I'm sure he'll be able to recommend an antenna that's affordable, and he'll provide the radio. The cost is really the cost of an antenna, and the cable to go from ant. to radio. (If you have a house, and would like to put up a tower and an omni, he may wave monthly's if you purchase the radio/antenna to be used as a POP, just an idea.) He's very open to making a deal, everything is negotiable. Thanks, -- Thomas J. Hudak Systems Administrator Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com Phone: 612.379.3951 Page: 612.318.1967 Fax: 612.379.3952 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010404/84d5e950/attachment.pgp From simeonuj at eetc.com Wed Apr 4 09:19:25 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: PORT FORWARING References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109755@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <3ACB2D65.BB561BA1@eetc.com> If I am reading this right you are running the POP server off a macintosh? Mac's don't use telnet so it would depend on wether the POP program would respond to a telnet request. Also, your rules have to allow the POP server to send a response back into your network. Maybe you already have that set up but didn't post it. Ipchains won't act as a proxy. It couldn't forward the port then send back the responce to the initiating internal computer. It doesn't keep track of connections. It would foreward the port to the POP server then consider whatever the POP server sends back as a new connection having nothing to do with the request made by the internal computer. I don't know much about telnet so maybe I'm wrong about a response. Why don't you just try to get mail? That would be a pretty good test. : ) sim "Austad, Jay" wrote: > >telnet 192.168.0.105 110 > > shouldn't that be 192.168.1.105, not 0.105? > > -----Original Message----- > From: A J [mailto:incsdirect@yahoo.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 8:30 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] RE: PORT FORWARING > > Hi there, > > I'm trying to get the LAN reading the POP mail from an > external machine via port forwarding, but have no luck so > far. > > My Linux RHL7 has 2 network adapters 203.101.33.177 (eth1) > extrenal and 192.168.1.105 (eth0) internal > > Users on LAN have their workstations on 192.168.1.* network > number. > > The POP server itselft where users have their acounts gets > all mail downloaded to it is on MAC and is on 203.101.33.9 > > All I need is to make users from 192.168.1.* to connect to > 192.168.1.105 (Linux box internal address) and then to make > linux to forward connection to 203.101.33.9 (Mac POP Server) > so it's some sort of proxy. > > I have tried this on Linux BOX > > ipmasqadm portfw -a -P tcp -L 192.168.1.105 110 -R > 203.101.33.9 110 > > then I to telnet from my LAN > > telnet 192.168.0.105 110 > > and I expect to have response from MAC POP server > > But it says 'Unable to connect to host" > > > > What am I doing wrong? Is there any other solutions to this? > > Thank you very much in advance > > Arthur > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Personal Address - Get email at your own domain > with Yahoo! Mail. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010404/1b9617b4/attachment.html From clay at fandre.com Wed Apr 4 09:30:35 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes Message-ID: <3ACB300B.6E1E9F93@fandre.com> So my DSL got disconnected Saturday. (Boy it sucks) I had service through PhoenixDSL, who got bought out by MegaPath. Since MegaPath doesn't do residential, they sold us off to Telocity. It was suppose to be a transparent switch-over But apparently Rhythms (who I was using) was leasing lines through Northpoint. So I'm waiting to get switched over to all Rhythms. (Well, that's what Teleociy tells me anyway) So who knows when I'll be back up. Just when I thought it couldn't get any worse... read on... http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010403/tc/telecoms_dsl_dc_1.html From natecars at real-time.com Wed Apr 4 10:09:08 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] snow white, duh In-Reply-To: <20010404084047.A1982@localhost> Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Tom Hudak wrote: > The reason I posted to the list was because I thought there would be a good > amount of genuine interest in what he's doing, and the fact he wants to > convert to linux, maybe we can have a linux based ISP around here that > "supports windows" but recommends a linux PC :-) *ahem* what about us? :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Wed Apr 4 10:11:23 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes In-Reply-To: <3ACB300B.6E1E9F93@fandre.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Clay Fandre wrote: > So my DSL got disconnected Saturday. (Boy it sucks) I had service > through PhoenixDSL, who got bought out by MegaPath. Since MegaPath > doesn't do residential, they sold us off to Telocity. It was suppose to > be a transparent switch-over But apparently Rhythms (who I was using) > was leasing lines through Northpoint. So I'm waiting to get switched > over to all Rhythms. (Well, that's what Teleociy tells me anyway) So who > knows when I'll be back up. > > Just when I thought it couldn't get any worse... read on... > > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010403/tc/telecoms_dsl_dc_1.html My Telocity link gets installed Friday.. hehe, fun... hopefully Rhythms doesn't go under. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From thudak at sistina.com Wed Apr 4 10:17:23 2001 From: thudak at sistina.com (Tom Hudak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Wireless and all that jazz. Message-ID: <20010404101723.A2154@localhost> Wow, what a response! I've read 10 or so mails since posting yesterday. I will bring chris to the next meeting, I'm not sure if I'll be around on the 12th, I may or may not be going out of town. I wish I new more details about all that's done with the wireless config. I will have mine back soon enough, and just looking at what equipment I get I'd be able to answer all the tech questions etc. but the $$ is Chris's department. If anything I'll tell chris to join the list and have him follow the threads, I'm sure if he's got somewhere to post questions, that will hasten the progress of linux's eventual takeover of baldeagle.com. check www.baldeagle.com for info call 763-717-1569 and tell Chris that Tom Hudak passed you along so he knows who he's dealing with. Thanks, -- Thomas J. Hudak Systems Administrator Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com Phone: 612.379.3951 Page: 612.318.1967 Fax: 612.379.3952 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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That will work if you want to unpack the SRPMS, but I'd like to be able to rpm --rebuild blah.src.rpm and somehow pass it the "-j 2". -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Wed Apr 4 11:01:58 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes In-Reply-To: <3ACB300B.6E1E9F93@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 09:30:35AM -0500 References: <3ACB300B.6E1E9F93@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20010404110158.G27318@real-time.com> Quoting Clay Fandre (clay@fandre.com): > So my DSL got disconnected Saturday. (Boy it sucks) I had service > through PhoenixDSL, who got bought out by MegaPath. Since MegaPath > doesn't do residential, they sold us off to Telocity. It was suppose to > be a transparent switch-over But apparently Rhythms (who I was using) > was leasing lines through Northpoint. So I'm waiting to get switched > over to all Rhythms. (Well, that's what Teleociy tells me anyway) So who > knows when I'll be back up. > > Just when I thought it couldn't get any worse... read on... > > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010403/tc/telecoms_dsl_dc_1.html Have you checked to see if you can get Qworst DSL? The Megacentral site for us the ISPs says they have expanded service. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From zibby at ringworld.org Wed Apr 4 11:17:06 2001 From: zibby at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: PORT FORWARING In-Reply-To: <3ACB2D65.BB561BA1@eetc.com> Message-ID: Why are you trying to forward ports around instead of using IPMASQ (aka NAT). Portforwarding works better for forwarding ports from the public ip to the private ip... | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | | When in danger, or in doubt, | | run in circles, scream and shout! | From thudak at sistina.com Wed Apr 4 11:11:09 2001 From: thudak at sistina.com (Tom Hudak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] snow white, duh In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 10:09:08AM -0500 References: <20010404084047.A1982@localhost> Message-ID: <20010404111109.A2603@localhost> On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 10:09:08AM -0500, Nate Carlson wrote: >*ahem* what about us? :) Sorry.. my bad, I forgot there is one. :-) Maybe a combination of services could be arranged? There are opportunities here that I see as good for the community as well as just getting our bandwidth fix. (Maybe I'm to far ahead of myself.) My internet utopia consists of *nix based ISP's working together to provide everyone with solutions *outside* of big monopolizing hands. I don't see why 2 separate ISP's can't share info, ideas, etc. 2 hands are better than 1, even if it's a BIG one. (I see a big gun pointing at qwerstDSL's head, how many people want to pull the trigger and who will do it?) Cooperation kicks ass('s). Maybe Bob, Chris and you should have a pow-wow. Thanks, -- Thomas J. Hudak Systems Administrator Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com Phone: 612.379.3951 Page: 612.318.1967 Fax: 612.379.3952 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010404/63d50c89/attachment.pgp From zibby at ringworld.org Wed Apr 4 11:19:47 2001 From: zibby at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: PORT FORWARING In-Reply-To: <3ACB2D65.BB561BA1@eetc.com> Message-ID: Oh, and HTML mail bad. Plain text ONLY please! :) | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | | When in danger, or in doubt, | | run in circles, scream and shout! | From veldy at veldy.net Wed Apr 4 11:28:57 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes References: <3ACB300B.6E1E9F93@fandre.com> Message-ID: <00a401c0bd24$59555210$3028680a@tgt.com> Yep -- I use Covad for my DSL and I work for PSINet. I am heading down a long slope to a bottomless pit. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clay Fandre" To: "TCLUG" Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 9:30 AM Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes > So my DSL got disconnected Saturday. (Boy it sucks) I had service > through PhoenixDSL, who got bought out by MegaPath. Since MegaPath > doesn't do residential, they sold us off to Telocity. It was suppose to > be a transparent switch-over But apparently Rhythms (who I was using) > was leasing lines through Northpoint. So I'm waiting to get switched > over to all Rhythms. (Well, that's what Teleociy tells me anyway) So who > knows when I'll be back up. > > Just when I thought it couldn't get any worse... read on... > > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010403/tc/telecoms_dsl_dc_1.html > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From veldy at veldy.net Wed Apr 4 11:39:31 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes References: <3ACB300B.6E1E9F93@fandre.com> <20010404110158.G27318@real-time.com> Message-ID: <00bb01c0bd25$d3343eb0$3028680a@tgt.com> Funny. I used to have DSL from USWest/QWest until last October. I plan to get it again (in case Covad goes belly up). Funny thing is they now say I don't qualify because I am too far. They have got to be kidding. I used to have 640/272 service. I am 12800 feet from the CO as listed by Covad and I currently have 1.5Mbps/384Kbps service from Covad. QWest refuses to discuss this with me. I told them to give me a technical answer as to why I suddenly don't qualify when I used to qualify and it is very clear the line is more than capable. I am supposed to get an answer by 4/9. Yeah, right! Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Tanner" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] DSL woes > Quoting Clay Fandre (clay@fandre.com): > > So my DSL got disconnected Saturday. (Boy it sucks) I had service > > through PhoenixDSL, who got bought out by MegaPath. Since MegaPath > > doesn't do residential, they sold us off to Telocity. It was suppose to > > be a transparent switch-over But apparently Rhythms (who I was using) > > was leasing lines through Northpoint. So I'm waiting to get switched > > over to all Rhythms. (Well, that's what Teleociy tells me anyway) So who > > knows when I'll be back up. > > > > Just when I thought it couldn't get any worse... read on... > > > > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010403/tc/telecoms_dsl_dc_1.html > > Have you checked to see if you can get Qworst DSL? The Megacentral site for us > the ISPs says they have expanded service. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From natecars at real-time.com Wed Apr 4 12:12:11 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Building RPMs passing things to make? In-Reply-To: <20010404105000.B27318@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > > %prep > > %setup -q > > %configure --localstatedir=%{_localstatedir} \ > > --with-authdaemonvar=%{authdaemondir} > > > > %build > > (cd tcpd; touch INSTALL NEWS README COPYING AUTHORS ChangeLog) > > make > > make check > > %install > > > > you could easily pass the params you want after the 'make' there. > > That will work if you want to unpack the SRPMS, but I'd like to be able to rpm > --rebuild blah.src.rpm and somehow pass it the "-j 2". CFLAGS, maybe? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From tanner at real-time.com Wed Apr 4 12:25:52 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes In-Reply-To: <00a401c0bd24$59555210$3028680a@tgt.com>; from veldy@veldy.net on Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 11:28:57AM -0500 References: <3ACB300B.6E1E9F93@fandre.com> <00a401c0bd24$59555210$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <20010404122552.I1202@real-time.com> Quoting Thomas T. Veldhouse (veldy@veldy.net): > Yep -- I use Covad for my DSL and I work for PSINet. I am heading down a > long slope to a bottomless pit. For all of you with the DSL woes, has the switch from providers changed your pricing at all? If so, how (cheaper, more expensive)? I think the problem is that this national dsl providers are playing the pricing game against cable and they are loosing. Cable has the whole revenue model from the TV service, so IP stuff is just frosting. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010404/3c10f5ff/attachment.pgp From jasonj at talkware.net Wed Apr 4 12:37:43 2001 From: jasonj at talkware.net (Jason Jorgensen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes References: <3ACB300B.6E1E9F93@fandre.com> <00a401c0bd24$59555210$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010404122552.I1202@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3ACB5BE7.C2F530CB@talkware.net> When onvoy dropped DSL I switched to speakeasy.net and to get the same 768k/768k the charge is $150 a month instead of $70 from onvoy. Both go through Covad. Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Thomas T. Veldhouse (veldy@veldy.net): > > Yep -- I use Covad for my DSL and I work for PSINet. I am heading down a > > long slope to a bottomless pit. > > For all of you with the DSL woes, has the switch from providers changed your > pricing at all? > > If so, how (cheaper, more expensive)? > > I think the problem is that this national dsl providers are playing the pricing > game against cable and they are loosing. Cable has the whole revenue model from > the TV service, so IP stuff is just frosting. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature From jesse_erdmann at securecomputing.com Wed Apr 4 12:40:00 2001 From: jesse_erdmann at securecomputing.com (Jesse Erdmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes References: <3ACB300B.6E1E9F93@fandre.com> <00a401c0bd24$59555210$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010404122552.I1202@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3ACB5C70.826A95C0@securecomputing.com> Bob Tanner wrote: > > Cable has the whole revenue model from the TV service, so IP stuff is just frosting. Worse yet, possibly cutting prices since they can afford to and eliminate some competition/solidify their interests. But that's just my opinion. -- Jesse Erdmann Engineer Secure Computing Corp. From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Apr 4 12:42:25 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10975E@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> http://www.uswestsucks.net :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas T. Veldhouse [mailto:veldy@veldy.net] > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 11:40 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] DSL woes > > > Funny. I used to have DSL from USWest/QWest until last > October. I plan to > get it again (in case Covad goes belly up). Funny thing is > they now say I > don't qualify because I am too far. They have got to be > kidding. I used to > have 640/272 service. I am 12800 feet from the CO as listed > by Covad and I > currently have 1.5Mbps/384Kbps service from Covad. QWest > refuses to discuss > this with me. I told them to give me a technical answer as to why I > suddenly don't qualify when I used to qualify and it is very > clear the line > is more than capable. I am supposed to get an answer by 4/9. > Yeah, right! > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Tanner" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 11:01 AM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] DSL woes > > > > Quoting Clay Fandre (clay@fandre.com): > > > So my DSL got disconnected Saturday. (Boy it sucks) I had service > > > through PhoenixDSL, who got bought out by MegaPath. Since MegaPath > > > doesn't do residential, they sold us off to Telocity. It > was suppose to > > > be a transparent switch-over But apparently Rhythms (who > I was using) > > > was leasing lines through Northpoint. So I'm waiting to > get switched > > > over to all Rhythms. (Well, that's what Teleociy tells me > anyway) So who > > > knows when I'll be back up. > > > > > > Just when I thought it couldn't get any worse... read on... > > > > > > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010403/tc/telecoms_dsl_dc_1.html > > > > Have you checked to see if you can get Qworst DSL? The > Megacentral site > for us > > the ISPs says they have expanded service. > > > > -- > > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Apr 4 12:49:06 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AA fonts on KDE 2.1.1 Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10975F@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Has anyone gotten AA fonts to work on KDE 2.1.1? I have X 4.0.3 installed, it loads the freetype module just fine, and I went under the style menu in KDE and marked "Use Anti-Aliasing for fonts and icons", but it still doesn't seem to work. I even used xmag to inspect the edges of my fonts and icons, and there is clearly stairstepping going on with no gray pixels in between. What else do I have to do to make this work? Jay From fertch at mninter.net Wed Apr 4 12:56:27 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes References: <3ACB300B.6E1E9F93@fandre.com> <00a401c0bd24$59555210$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010404122552.I1202@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3ACB604B.5BAAB180@mninter.net> Bob Tanner wrote: > For all of you with the DSL woes, has the switch from providers changed your > pricing at all? > > If so, how (cheaper, more expensive)? > > I think the problem is that this national dsl providers are playing the pricing > game against cable and they are loosing. Cable has the whole revenue model from > the TV service, so IP stuff is just frosting. > Wouldn't the same then be true for the telecommunications giants like Qwest, Verizon, and the other major phone companies? They've already got the medium laid and generally use the existing wires, so they're not experiencing any major cost jumps there. And their major revenue is from phone services? Besides, when a phone company has the gov't granted authority for a monopoly in a certain area, and the phone company in turn takes 6 weeks to do dsl setup on a competitor's subscriber where they can do it in two weeks to the neighbor because he's going through them says that they're choking out the competition themselves. From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Wed Apr 4 09:28:39 2001 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John Joseph Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes In-Reply-To: <3ACB300B.6E1E9F93@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 09:30:35AM -0500 References: <3ACB300B.6E1E9F93@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20010404092839.A14521@mn.rr.com> On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 09:30:35AM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: [DSL woes snipped] I \{heart} my cable modem! :-) From veldy at veldy.net Wed Apr 4 13:35:13 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes References: <3ACB300B.6E1E9F93@fandre.com> <00a401c0bd24$59555210$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010404122552.I1202@real-time.com> <3ACB5BE7.C2F530CB@talkware.net> Message-ID: <015a01c0bd35$fce4e6f0$3028680a@tgt.com> That is because 768/768 is a business grade SDSL [routed] connection. They couldn't afford to give you the same type of service at residential rates. If they did, who would buy the business grade lines? Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Jorgensen" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] DSL woes > When onvoy dropped DSL I switched to speakeasy.net and to get the same 768k/768k > the charge is $150 a month instead of $70 from onvoy. Both go through Covad. > > > > > Bob Tanner wrote: > > > Quoting Thomas T. Veldhouse (veldy@veldy.net): > > > Yep -- I use Covad for my DSL and I work for PSINet. I am heading down a > > > long slope to a bottomless pit. > > > > For all of you with the DSL woes, has the switch from providers changed your > > pricing at all? > > > > If so, how (cheaper, more expensive)? > > > > I think the problem is that this national dsl providers are playing the pricing > > game against cable and they are loosing. Cable has the whole revenue model from > > the TV service, so IP stuff is just frosting. > > > > -- > > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > Key fingerprint = 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From veldy at veldy.net Wed Apr 4 13:38:19 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes References: <3ACB300B.6E1E9F93@fandre.com> <00a401c0bd24$59555210$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010404122552.I1202@real-time.com> <3ACB604B.5BAAB180@mninter.net> Message-ID: <016301c0bd36$6bc4d800$3028680a@tgt.com> They also save money by getting the customer off of a POTS circuit (those who had a second line) and onto a DSL circuit - which opens up POTS and overall bandwidth for the Telco. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shawn" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 12:56 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] DSL woes > Bob Tanner wrote: > > For all of you with the DSL woes, has the switch from providers changed your > > pricing at all? > > > > If so, how (cheaper, more expensive)? > > > > I think the problem is that this national dsl providers are playing the pricing > > game against cable and they are loosing. Cable has the whole revenue model from > > the TV service, so IP stuff is just frosting. > > > > Wouldn't the same then be true for the telecommunications giants like > Qwest, Verizon, and the other major phone companies? They've already > got the medium laid and generally use the existing wires, so they're not > experiencing any major cost jumps there. And their major revenue is > from phone services? > > Besides, when a phone company has the gov't granted authority for a > monopoly in a certain area, and the phone company in turn takes 6 weeks > to do dsl setup on a competitor's subscriber where they can do it in two > weeks to the neighbor because he's going through them says that they're > choking out the competition themselves. > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From drew at usfamily.net Tue Apr 3 07:34:35 2001 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes References: <3ACB300B.6E1E9F93@fandre.com> <00a401c0bd24$59555210$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010404122552.I1202@real-time.com> <3ACB5BE7.C2F530CB@talkware.net> Message-ID: <3AC9C35B.B9855260@usfamily.net> What exactly do you do at home that is so important that you can justify paying $150 a month for DSL? Jason Jorgensen wrote: > When onvoy dropped DSL I switched to speakeasy.net and to get the same 768k/768k > the charge is $150 a month instead of $70 from onvoy. Both go through Covad. > > Bob Tanner wrote: > > > Quoting Thomas T. Veldhouse (veldy@veldy.net): > > > Yep -- I use Covad for my DSL and I work for PSINet. I am heading down a > > > long slope to a bottomless pit. > > > > For all of you with the DSL woes, has the switch from providers changed your > > pricing at all? > > > > If so, how (cheaper, more expensive)? > > > > I think the problem is that this national dsl providers are playing the pricing > > game against cable and they are loosing. Cable has the whole revenue model from > > the TV service, so IP stuff is just frosting. > > > > -- > > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > Key fingerprint = 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: drew.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 265 bytes Desc: Card for Andrew Nemchenko Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010403/08908433/drew.vcf From goldman at htc.honeywell.com Wed Apr 4 13:32:48 2001 From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question about ripping and CD-ROM drive Message-ID: <15051.26832.352642.42022@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> I've got a RH 6.1, kernel 2.2.18 system on a Dell Precision 410. When I try to rip CDs, I get a very funny behavior. Initially, the ripping proceeds at pretty high speed. However, often when I get to the end of a track, the speed bogs down. If I watch using grip (CD paranoia is my ripper), the speed display goes way, way down, from 2.0x to 1.8, to 1.0 to 0.6.... If I'm incredibly patient, this will eventually finish. It's not a grip problem --- CD paranoia does this even when not run from inside grip --- nor is it a cd paranoia problem --- alternative rippers show the same behavior. So what I guess is that there's something bad about the CD-ROM driver. Has anyone had an experience like this? Any fixes? Thanks! Robert From veldy at veldy.net Wed Apr 4 13:39:53 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes References: <3ACB300B.6E1E9F93@fandre.com> <20010404092839.A14521@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <016c01c0bd36$a3ff6000$3028680a@tgt.com> Cable is a last resort. I would go back to it if all else failed. I suspect that all else won't fail however. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Joseph Trammell" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] DSL woes > On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 09:30:35AM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: > [DSL woes snipped] > > I \{heart} my cable modem! :-) > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Apr 4 13:58:57 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes In-Reply-To: <3AC9C35B.B9855260@usfamily.net>; from drew@usfamily.net on Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 01:34:35PM +0100 References: <3ACB300B.6E1E9F93@fandre.com> <00a401c0bd24$59555210$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010404122552.I1202@real-time.com> <3ACB5BE7.C2F530CB@talkware.net> <3AC9C35B.B9855260@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <20010404135857.V27270@ringworld.org> * Andrew Nemchenko [010404 13:51]: > What exactly do you do at home that is so important that you can justify paying $150 > a month for DSL? SDSL isn't normal 'dsl'.. You get symetteric rates for your upstream and downstream, instead of just 512/128 or any other weird splits. You pay more too. Upside: speakeasy lets you do damn near anything you want, I hear. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@efnet So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Really, a bunch of you should someday get together, get some space near an isp (secure 'closet' room in same building), and get an ethernet drop and split the costs. :) Put all your machines there, allow for 24 hour access for 'trusted' people, make everyone log their time there, only allow people that you trust and set it up in such a way that its just enthusasits like us and not some businesses rapeing the benefits. Theres a lot more to it than that, but it would be a neat project someday, a geek co-op colo service. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@efnet So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Application Services IS Capital Markets Phone 612-547-7573 Fax 612-547-7580 mailto:jmiller2@dainrauscher.com From administrator at ltiflex.com Wed Apr 4 14:11:13 2001 From: administrator at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question about ripping and CD-ROM drive References: <15051.26832.352642.42022@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> Message-ID: <3ACB71D1.6289F39F@ltiflex.com> I've seen it happen on both my SCSI drives (Kenweek 52X TrueX reader, and Plextor burner) I haven't had anything I needed to rip lately so I haven't looked into it. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Apr 4 14:02:49 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109760@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> > What exactly do you do at home that is so important that you > can justify paying $150 > a month for DSL? I pay $200 a month for it. :) Actually, work pays for it. :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Nemchenko [mailto:drew@usfamily.net] > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 7:35 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] DSL woes > > > What exactly do you do at home that is so important that you > can justify paying $150 > a month for DSL? > > Jason Jorgensen wrote: > > > When onvoy dropped DSL I switched to speakeasy.net and to > get the same 768k/768k > > the charge is $150 a month instead of $70 from onvoy. Both > go through Covad. > > > > Bob Tanner wrote: > > > > > Quoting Thomas T. Veldhouse (veldy@veldy.net): > > > > Yep -- I use Covad for my DSL and I work for PSINet. > I am heading down a > > > > long slope to a bottomless pit. > > > > > > For all of you with the DSL woes, has the switch from > providers changed your > > > pricing at all? > > > > > > If so, how (cheaper, more expensive)? > > > > > > I think the problem is that this national dsl providers > are playing the pricing > > > game against cable and they are loosing. Cable has the > whole revenue model from > > > the TV service, so IP stuff is just frosting. > > > > > > -- > > > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > > > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > Key fingerprint = 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 > 7327 93D9 7DA3 > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > > > Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From > $8.99/mo! ------ > From tanner at real-time.com Wed Apr 4 14:27:00 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes In-Reply-To: <20010404140409.W27270@ringworld.org>; from dieman+tclug@ringworld.org on Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 02:04:09PM -0500 References: <3ACB300B.6E1E9F93@fandre.com> <20010404092839.A14521@mn.rr.com> <016c01c0bd36$a3ff6000$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010404140409.W27270@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010404142700.G1202@real-time.com> Quoting Scott Dier (dieman+tclug@ringworld.org): > Really, a bunch of you should someday get together, get some space near > an isp (secure 'closet' room in same building), and get an ethernet drop > and split the costs. :) > > Put all your machines there, allow for 24 hour access for 'trusted' > people, make everyone log their time there, only allow people that you > trust and set it up in such a way that its just enthusasits like us and > not some businesses rapeing the benefits. > > Theres a lot more to it than that, but it would be a neat project > someday, a geek co-op colo service. Better idea. Convince Real Time to get a Z-Series (formally S390) and tell them to hand out virtual-linux "boxes" to everyone to do with whatever they want. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010404/bf98da3a/attachment.pgp From mthoren at mttcc.com Wed Apr 4 14:30:07 2001 From: mthoren at mttcc.com (Matt Thoren) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux on Sparc5.. Message-ID: <3ACB763F.8DD989C4@mttcc.com> I know this may be somewhat off this list, but I am assuming that some of your run Sun equipment. Does anyone have a Sparc5 "disk caddie" they wold be willing to part with? Does anyone run Linux instead of Solaris on Sparc 5's. Is there a performace (CPU wise) for going with Linux over Solaris 8? Thanks for any info. Matt. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: mthoren.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 282 bytes Desc: Card for Matt Thoren Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010404/f23eb372/mthoren.vcf From drew at usfamily.net Tue Apr 3 08:38:16 2001 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109760@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <3AC9D248.B7D97231@usfamily.net> Once again what is it that you do at home with that $150 connection? Do you run your own business? A porn site? A very important ftp server? "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > What exactly do you do at home that is so important that you > > can justify paying $150 > > a month for DSL? > > I pay $200 a month for it. :) Actually, work pays for it. :) > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Andrew Nemchenko [mailto:drew@usfamily.net] > > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 7:35 AM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] DSL woes > > > > > > What exactly do you do at home that is so important that you > > can justify paying $150 > > a month for DSL? > > > > Jason Jorgensen wrote: > > > > > When onvoy dropped DSL I switched to speakeasy.net and to > > get the same 768k/768k > > > the charge is $150 a month instead of $70 from onvoy. Both > > go through Covad. > > > > > > Bob Tanner wrote: > > > > > > > Quoting Thomas T. Veldhouse (veldy@veldy.net): > > > > > Yep -- I use Covad for my DSL and I work for PSINet. > > I am heading down a > > > > > long slope to a bottomless pit. > > > > > > > > For all of you with the DSL woes, has the switch from > > providers changed your > > > > pricing at all? > > > > > > > > If so, how (cheaper, more expensive)? > > > > > > > > I think the problem is that this national dsl providers > > are playing the pricing > > > > game against cable and they are loosing. Cable has the > > whole revenue model from > > > > the TV service, so IP stuff is just frosting. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > > > > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > > Key fingerprint = 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 > > 7327 93D9 7DA3 > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > ---------- > > > > Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From > > $8.99/mo! ------ > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: drew.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 265 bytes Desc: Card for Andrew Nemchenko Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010403/83d70860/drew.vcf From dmonie at futurestat.com Wed Apr 4 14:39:20 2001 From: dmonie at futurestat.com (Dileep Monie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH 7.0 HD set-up Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010404142121.009ed070@pop.goldengate.net> I've just installed RH 7.0 on my new box (thanks Jay, you know who you are :) and am trying to configure it for my system. For some reason (probably due to a lack of driver support), it won't recognize drives connected to my Promise ATA/100 controller. Does anyone how to set it up so I can mount or boot those drives? Also, I have a large drive that I don't want to chop up into tiny partitions. Will configuring LILO for LBA32 (instead of linear) allow for a >1024 cylinder /dev/hda1 partition (I'm dual booting with Win98)? If so, how do I do this ($ lilo -L doesn't seem to work)? -Dileep P.S. Did anyone else get RH 7.0 coasters from Bob at the InstallFest? I still can't figure out why they work for him but not me. From drew at usfamily.net Tue Apr 3 08:47:33 2001 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes References: <3ACB300B.6E1E9F93@fandre.com> <20010404092839.A14521@mn.rr.com> <016c01c0bd36$a3ff6000$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010404140409.W27270@ringworld.org> <20010404142700.G1202@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3AC9D475.10600233@usfamily.net> A great Idea but how do we go about achieving this with out spending too much money? Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Scott Dier (dieman+tclug@ringworld.org): > > Really, a bunch of you should someday get together, get some space near > > an isp (secure 'closet' room in same building), and get an ethernet drop > > and split the costs. :) > > > > Put all your machines there, allow for 24 hour access for 'trusted' > > people, make everyone log their time there, only allow people that you > > trust and set it up in such a way that its just enthusasits like us and > > not some businesses rapeing the benefits. > > > > Theres a lot more to it than that, but it would be a neat project > > someday, a geek co-op colo service. > > Better idea. Convince Real Time to get a Z-Series (formally S390) and tell them > to hand out virtual-linux "boxes" to everyone to do with whatever they want. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: drew.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 265 bytes Desc: Card for Andrew Nemchenko Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010403/8f025e3b/drew.vcf From jasonj at talkware.net Wed Apr 4 14:47:58 2001 From: jasonj at talkware.net (Jason Jorgensen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes References: <3ACB300B.6E1E9F93@fandre.com> <00a401c0bd24$59555210$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010404122552.I1202@real-time.com> <3ACB5BE7.C2F530CB@talkware.net> <3AC9C35B.B9855260@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <3ACB7A6D.B98EA5C3@talkware.net> What does importance have to do with WANTING speed? I am a computer geek dang it! I ENJOY 768k/768k. Plus I do host domains and email and quake for friends and family. I also telecommute to work. I also do consulting for random tasks that sometimes involve internet related things. It makes doing what I do a heck of a lot easier. Not to mention that Quake 3 ping rates between 15-40 ROCK!! Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > What exactly do you do at home that is so important that you can justify paying $150 > a month for DSL? > > Jason Jorgensen wrote: > > > When onvoy dropped DSL I switched to speakeasy.net and to get the same 768k/768k > > the charge is $150 a month instead of $70 from onvoy. Both go through Covad. > > > > Bob Tanner wrote: > > > > > Quoting Thomas T. Veldhouse (veldy@veldy.net): > > > > Yep -- I use Covad for my DSL and I work for PSINet. I am heading down a > > > > long slope to a bottomless pit. > > > > > > For all of you with the DSL woes, has the switch from providers changed your > > > pricing at all? > > > > > > If so, how (cheaper, more expensive)? > > > > > > I think the problem is that this national dsl providers are playing the pricing > > > game against cable and they are loosing. Cable has the whole revenue model from > > > the TV service, so IP stuff is just frosting. > > > > > > -- > > > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > > > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > Key fingerprint = 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ From tanner at real-time.com Wed Apr 4 14:51:14 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux on Sparc5.. In-Reply-To: <3ACB763F.8DD989C4@mttcc.com>; from mthoren@mttcc.com on Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 02:30:07PM -0500 References: <3ACB763F.8DD989C4@mttcc.com> Message-ID: <20010404145114.I1202@real-time.com> Quoting Matt Thoren (mthoren@mttcc.com): > I know this may be somewhat off this list, but I am assuming that some > of your run Sun equipment. > > Does anyone have a Sparc5 "disk caddie" they wold be willing to part > with? Disk caddie, meaning cdrom caddie? > Does anyone run Linux instead of Solaris on Sparc 5's. Is there a > performace (CPU wise) for going with Linux over Solaris 8? Yep, we run it on a very busy box (runs netrek server and crossfire server). This boxes does a ton of context switches. I have 196MB of RAM and nothing swaps, so performs is good. I have never used Solaris 8. The box use to run Solaris 2.5.1 and I'd say linux performs about the same. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You get every single tclug member to commit to having a vm-linux and pay some monthly fee for it. :-) -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010404/c7a4f0e6/attachment.pgp From jethro at yaron.org Wed Apr 4 15:00:58 2001 From: jethro at yaron.org (jethro@yaron.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux on Sparc5.. In-Reply-To: <3ACB763F.8DD989C4@mttcc.com> References: <3ACB763F.8DD989C4@mttcc.com> Message-ID: <986414458.3acb7d7a72d37@dragon> Hi, Quoting Matt Thoren : > I know this may be somewhat off this list, but I am assuming that some > of your run Sun equipment. > Does anyone have a Sparc5 "disk caddie" they wold be willing to part > with? This isn't really a Sun Hardware issue. Some CDROMs use caddies. I'm sure you can pick one up on eBay or maybe even Computer Renaissance. > Does anyone run Linux instead of Solaris on Sparc 5's. Is there a > performace (CPU wise) for going with Linux over Solaris 8? On a SPARCstation 5 or an Ultra5? I can't imagine Solaris 8 even being able to CRAWL on a SPARCstation5. I installed it on a SPARCclassic (equiv to SPARC4), took 3 DAYS to install and then it didn't work. Linux will run a LOT better on old Sun hardware. Good luck, -Yaron -- From jonathankl_2001 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 4 15:00:58 2001 From: jonathankl_2001 at yahoo.com (Jonathan Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Shell Scripting Message-ID: <20010404200058.7339.qmail@web13403.mail.yahoo.com> Anyone know any good website or books for sh/bash/tcsh scripting? I have just a few scripts to write and I need a decent starting place, mostly some basic admin scripts and trhe like. TIA, Jonathan A. Kline __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From jethro at yaron.org Wed Apr 4 15:03:39 2001 From: jethro at yaron.org (jethro@yaron.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux on Sparc5.. In-Reply-To: <20010404145114.I1202@real-time.com> References: <3ACB763F.8DD989C4@mttcc.com> <20010404145114.I1202@real-time.com> Message-ID: <986414619.3acb7e1be1740@dragon> Hi, Quoting Bob Tanner : > I have never used Solaris 8. The box use to run Solaris 2.5.1 and I'd > say linux performs about the same. Ugh, the UGLY Solaris (: What kind of box it is? Anything that's back from the 2.5.1 days should be a lot faster under Linux (unless it's SMP or you enjoy running 2.5.1 on Ultras). PS I'm still stuck using Solaris8 on my Sunblade... darn SPARC/Linux people don't want my help. Anyone know how to crosscompile a kernel and bootstrap it?... -Yaron -- From wilson at visi.com Wed Apr 4 15:05:29 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH 7.0 HD set-up In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010404142121.009ed070@pop.goldengate.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Dileep Monie wrote: > I've just installed RH 7.0 on my new box (thanks Jay, you know who you are > :) and am trying to configure it for my system. For some reason (probably > due to a lack of driver support), it won't recognize drives connected to my > Promise ATA/100 controller. Does anyone how to set it up so I can mount or > boot those drives? I purchased a new M/B with the on-board Promise ATA-100 controller last December. To get Linux working, I had to put the drive on one of the ATA-66 channels, install the system, compile a new kernel with support for the Promise controller, power down, move the drive back to the ATA-100 channel, and reboot. (In that order. :-) You may also find that you need to enable a kernel option that causes reverses the IDE search so your ATA-100 channels are scanned first. I don't remember the option off the top of my head, but it's well documented in the config help files. The result of all of this is that I have my HD at /dev/hda (ATA-100), my CD-ROM at /dev/hde, and my CD-RW at /dev/hdg (both ATA-33). Good luck. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ From veldy at veldy.net Wed Apr 4 15:01:57 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Procmail and Pine References: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3941D61D7@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> Message-ID: <01cf01c0bd42$1ace1ae0$3028680a@tgt.com> If it is passed to procmail, what do you do with it from there? Do you put it in folders based on filter criteria? If so, you should be placing it into mailboxes under your ~/mail/ folder. Perhaps a snippet of your .procmailrc file might be useful. Here is a small snippet from mine: :0 * ^Sender:.*tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org.* /home/veldy/mail/Linux-MN Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miller, John" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:35 AM Subject: [TCLUG] Procmail and Pine > I am running RH7.0 and am using fetchmail to get mail from Mediaone and pass > it on to procmail. I am using pine to read my mail. When I go to read my > mail in pine, it says that I have only one message when infact there are > dozens. What am I missing. There are no options set for procmail, just the > recipes for mail sorting. > > John Miller > Dain Rauscher Inc. > Application Services > IS Capital Markets > Phone 612-547-7573 > Fax 612-547-7580 > mailto:jmiller2@dainrauscher.com > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Wed Apr 4 15:15:35 2001 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux on Sparc5.. In-Reply-To: <20010404145114.I1202@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 02:51:14PM -0500 References: <3ACB763F.8DD989C4@mttcc.com> <20010404145114.I1202@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010404151535.A57355@sorry.cs.umn.edu> On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 02:51:14PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Matt Thoren (mthoren@mttcc.com): > > I know this may be somewhat off this list, but I am assuming that some > > of your run Sun equipment. > > > > Does anyone have a Sparc5 "disk caddie" they wold be willing to part > > with? > > Disk caddie, meaning cdrom caddie? > I think he means hard disk caddie. In the Sparc 5 (and 1, 2, 10, 20, etc), you strap your hard drive into a little plastic (or metal) caddie and then secure the caddie in the case. It's weird, but that's what they chose to do. Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "You've really lost it this time....you've lost your mind!" - Ren finds out about Stimpy's Stinky Butt Fantasy in "Son Of Stimpy" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From fertch at mninter.net Wed Apr 4 15:23:10 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes References: <3ACB300B.6E1E9F93@fandre.com> <20010404092839.A14521@mn.rr.com> <016c01c0bd36$a3ff6000$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010404140409.W27270@ringworld.org> <20010404142700.G1202@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3ACB82AE.6E85B390@mninter.net> Bob Tanner wrote: > > Better idea. Convince Real Time to get a Z-Series (formally S390) and tell them > to hand out virtual-linux "boxes" to everyone to do with whatever they want. > > -- Cool Bob! So, when's it gonna happen???? From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Wed Apr 4 15:18:25 2001 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes In-Reply-To: <20010404150344.K1202@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 03:03:44PM -0500 References: <3ACB300B.6E1E9F93@fandre.com> <20010404092839.A14521@mn.rr.com> <016c01c0bd36$a3ff6000$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010404140409.W27270@ringworld.org> <20010404142700.G1202@real-time.com> <3AC9D475.10600233@usfamily.net> <20010404150344.K1202@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010404151825.B57355@sorry.cs.umn.edu> On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 03:03:44PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Andrew Nemchenko (drew@usfamily.net): > > A great Idea but how do we go about achieving this with out spending too much > > money? > > You get every single tclug member to commit to having a vm-linux and pay some > monthly fee for it. :-) Who's going to admin an S390, though? Does Real Time have any mainframe admins? Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "You've really lost it this time....you've lost your mind!" - Ren finds out about Stimpy's Stinky Butt Fantasy in "Son Of Stimpy" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From wilson at visi.com Wed Apr 4 15:21:14 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Shell Scripting In-Reply-To: <20010404200058.7339.qmail@web13403.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Jonathan Kline wrote: > Anyone know any good website or books for sh/bash/tcsh scripting? I > have just a few scripts to write and I need a decent starting place, > mostly some basic admin scripts and trhe like. The O'Reilly Bash book is pretty good. Pretty cheap too. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ From drew at usfamily.net Tue Apr 3 09:13:46 2001 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes References: <3ACB300B.6E1E9F93@fandre.com> <00a401c0bd24$59555210$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010404122552.I1202@real-time.com> <3ACB5BE7.C2F530CB@talkware.net> <3AC9C35B.B9855260@usfamily.net> <3ACB7A6D.B98EA5C3@talkware.net> Message-ID: <3AC9DA9A.9EE07844@usfamily.net> You must understand that you and I were raised differently, although I would also like to have blazing speed, I would not be able to justify to my family why we should spend $150 for an internet connection, to them and actually me also, it would seem like a waste of money. The phrase that they would use to justify it is "Money does not grow on trees" at least not in my neighborhood. Jason Jorgensen wrote: > What does importance have to do with WANTING speed? I am a computer geek dang it! I > ENJOY 768k/768k. Plus I do host domains and email and quake for friends and family. I > also telecommute to work. I also do consulting for random tasks that sometimes involve > internet related things. It makes doing what I do a heck of a lot easier. Not to > mention that Quake 3 ping rates between 15-40 ROCK!! > > Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > > > What exactly do you do at home that is so important that you can justify paying $150 > > a month for DSL? > > > > Jason Jorgensen wrote: > > > > > When onvoy dropped DSL I switched to speakeasy.net and to get the same 768k/768k > > > the charge is $150 a month instead of $70 from onvoy. Both go through Covad. > > > > > > Bob Tanner wrote: > > > > > > > Quoting Thomas T. Veldhouse (veldy@veldy.net): > > > > > Yep -- I use Covad for my DSL and I work for PSINet. I am heading down a > > > > > long slope to a bottomless pit. > > > > > > > > For all of you with the DSL woes, has the switch from providers changed your > > > > pricing at all? > > > > > > > > If so, how (cheaper, more expensive)? > > > > > > > > I think the problem is that this national dsl providers are playing the pricing > > > > game against cable and they are loosing. Cable has the whole revenue model from > > > > the TV service, so IP stuff is just frosting. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > > > > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > > Key fingerprint = 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: drew.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 265 bytes Desc: Card for Andrew Nemchenko Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010403/590f2583/drew.vcf From veldy at veldy.net Wed Apr 4 15:18:17 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes References: <3ACB300B.6E1E9F93@fandre.com> <00a401c0bd24$59555210$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010404122552.I1202@real-time.com> <3ACB5BE7.C2F530CB@talkware.net> <3AC9C35B.B9855260@usfamily.net> <3ACB7A6D.B98EA5C3@talkware.net> Message-ID: <01ec01c0bd44$62f12310$3028680a@tgt.com> I can do all these things on my 1500/384 connection :) I am paying $69/month. It will end though. That is what worries me. I give Covad 9 months in the current economic conditions. I might just keep two DSL lines (and selectively route traffic) during a few months of the time until I know for sure. I am sicked of bridge mode DSL -- traffic on the same subnet sometimes affects me with XO :( Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Jorgensen" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] DSL woes > What does importance have to do with WANTING speed? I am a computer geek dang it! I > ENJOY 768k/768k. Plus I do host domains and email and quake for friends and family. I > also telecommute to work. I also do consulting for random tasks that sometimes involve > internet related things. It makes doing what I do a heck of a lot easier. Not to > mention that Quake 3 ping rates between 15-40 ROCK!! > > > > > > Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > > > What exactly do you do at home that is so important that you can justify paying $150 > > a month for DSL? > > > > Jason Jorgensen wrote: > > > > > When onvoy dropped DSL I switched to speakeasy.net and to get the same 768k/768k > > > the charge is $150 a month instead of $70 from onvoy. Both go through Covad. > > > > > > Bob Tanner wrote: > > > > > > > Quoting Thomas T. Veldhouse (veldy@veldy.net): > > > > > Yep -- I use Covad for my DSL and I work for PSINet. I am heading down a > > > > > long slope to a bottomless pit. > > > > > > > > For all of you with the DSL woes, has the switch from providers changed your > > > > pricing at all? > > > > > > > > If so, how (cheaper, more expensive)? > > > > > > > > I think the problem is that this national dsl providers are playing the pricing > > > > game against cable and they are loosing. Cable has the whole revenue model from > > > > the TV service, so IP stuff is just frosting. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > > > > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > > Key fingerprint = 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jasonj at innominatus.com Wed Apr 4 15:34:57 2001 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Shell Scripting References: <20010404200058.7339.qmail@web13403.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3ACB8571.1CA17605@innominatus.com> http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO.html http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Adv-Bash-Scr-HOWTO.html I use the second link alot for reference when doing some bash scripting. Jonathan Kline wrote: > Anyone know any good website or books for sh/bash/tcsh scripting? I > have just a few scripts to write and I need a decent starting place, > mostly some basic admin scripts and trhe like. > > TIA, > Jonathan A. Kline > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Wed Apr 4 15:40:56 2001 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes Message-ID: Keep talking...about how much do you estimate a vm-linux would cost? I assume you'd like a person to commit to some term at that cost, so what would that term be? One year? Is this a real possibility? Sorry for the excessive number of questions. It's a good thing I'm not a cat... >>> tanner@real-time.com 04/04/01 03:03PM >>> You get every single tclug member to commit to having a vm-linux and pay some monthly fee for it. :-) -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From tanner at real-time.com Wed Apr 4 15:46:24 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes In-Reply-To: <3ACB82AE.6E85B390@mninter.net>; from fertch@mninter.net on Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 03:23:10PM -0500 References: <3ACB300B.6E1E9F93@fandre.com> <20010404092839.A14521@mn.rr.com> <016c01c0bd36$a3ff6000$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010404140409.W27270@ringworld.org> <20010404142700.G1202@real-time.com> <3ACB82AE.6E85B390@mninter.net> Message-ID: <20010404154624.P1202@real-time.com> Quoting Shawn (fertch@mninter.net): > Bob Tanner wrote: > > > > Better idea. Convince Real Time to get a Z-Series (formally S390) and tell them > > to hand out virtual-linux "boxes" to everyone to do with whatever they want. > > > > -- > > Cool Bob! So, when's it gonna happen???? After Saturday TCLUG meeting the poll on the web site should change (right Clay?) and it will deal with this whole idea. This is a dream of mine. I just have prove to the bean counters that Real Time can make money on it. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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My roomie uses it for pr0n. :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Nemchenko [mailto:drew@usfamily.net] > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 8:38 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] DSL woes > > > Once again what is it that you do at home with that $150 connection? > Do you run your own business? > A porn site? > A very important ftp server? > > > > "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > > > What exactly do you do at home that is so important that you > > > can justify paying $150 > > > a month for DSL? > > > > I pay $200 a month for it. :) Actually, work pays for it. :) > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Andrew Nemchenko [mailto:drew@usfamily.net] > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 7:35 AM > > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] DSL woes > > > > > > > > > What exactly do you do at home that is so important that you > > > can justify paying $150 > > > a month for DSL? > > > > > > Jason Jorgensen wrote: > > > > > > > When onvoy dropped DSL I switched to speakeasy.net and to > > > get the same 768k/768k > > > > the charge is $150 a month instead of $70 from onvoy. Both > > > go through Covad. > > > > > > > > Bob Tanner wrote: > > > > > > > > > Quoting Thomas T. Veldhouse (veldy@veldy.net): > > > > > > Yep -- I use Covad for my DSL and I work for PSINet. > > > I am heading down a > > > > > > long slope to a bottomless pit. > > > > > > > > > > For all of you with the DSL woes, has the switch from > > > providers changed your > > > > > pricing at all? > > > > > > > > > > If so, how (cheaper, more expensive)? > > > > > > > > > > I think the problem is that this national dsl providers > > > are playing the pricing > > > > > game against cable and they are loosing. Cable has the > > > whole revenue model from > > > > > the TV service, so IP stuff is just frosting. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Bob Tanner | Phone : > (952)943-8700 > > > > > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : > (952)943-8500 > > > > > Key fingerprint = 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 > > > 7327 93D9 7DA3 > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ---------- > > > > > Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From > > > $8.99/mo! ------ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From > $8.99/mo! ------ > From goldman at htc.honeywell.com Wed Apr 4 15:44:28 2001 From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question about ripping and CD-ROM drive In-Reply-To: <3ACB71D1.6289F39F@ltiflex.com> References: <15051.26832.352642.42022@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> <3ACB71D1.6289F39F@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <15051.34732.468256.500410@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> >>>>> "AZ" == Andy Zbikowski writes: AZ> I've seen it happen on both my SCSI drives (Kenweek 52X TrueX AZ> reader, and Plextor burner) I haven't had anything I needed to AZ> rip lately so I haven't looked into it. Hm. Mine is an IDE drive. For some reason this problem isn't happening at home with my el-cheapo CD-ROM drive. The one at home's a 6.2 Red Hat config, but with a less up-to-date kernel (2.2.16) versus my one at work, which is 6.1, 2.2.18pre21. R From tanner at real-time.com Wed Apr 4 15:49:02 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes In-Reply-To: <20010404151825.B57355@sorry.cs.umn.edu>; from dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu on Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 03:18:25PM -0500 References: <3ACB300B.6E1E9F93@fandre.com> <20010404092839.A14521@mn.rr.com> <016c01c0bd36$a3ff6000$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010404140409.W27270@ringworld.org> <20010404142700.G1202@real-time.com> <3AC9D475.10600233@usfamily.net> <20010404150344.K1202@real-time.com> <20010404151825.B57355@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010404154902.R1202@real-time.com> Quoting dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu): > On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 03:03:44PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > > Quoting Andrew Nemchenko (drew@usfamily.net): > > > A great Idea but how do we go about achieving this with out spending too much > > > money? > > > > You get every single tclug member to commit to having a vm-linux and pay some > > monthly fee for it. :-) > > Who's going to admin an S390, though? Does Real Time have any mainframe > admins? Mainframe, Linux, NT is there a difference? :-) Carl can jump in here, but from the presentation on the S390 it seems like there is going to be a web(?) interface to the 390 so you just point-n-click. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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See http://www.jetcafe.org/ for details. -Scott From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Wed Apr 4 15:47:16 2001 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Shell Scripting Message-ID: I like Ellie Quigley's "UNIX Shells by Example", but it covers only sh/csh/ksh scripting (meaning you will not see the advanced features of bash or tcsh put to work). On the other hand, it does cover awk, sed, and grep. If the scripts get too involved, start thinking about Perl! :-) >>> wilson@visi.com 04/04/01 03:21PM >>> On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Jonathan Kline wrote: > Anyone know any good website or books for sh/bash/tcsh scripting? I > have just a few scripts to write and I need a decent starting place, > mostly some basic admin scripts and trhe like. The O'Reilly Bash book is pretty good. Pretty cheap too. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com Wed Apr 4 15:45:15 2001 From: JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com (Miller, John) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Procmail and Pine Message-ID: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940F8244@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> Here are a couple of sections of my .procmailrc MAILDIR = /home/john/mail :0: * ^TO_tclug $MAILDIR/TCLug Things look like they sort find, it is just that pine sees them all as one message. Might it be the way I start pine? or is it the way procmail writes the messages to the file. John Miller Dain Rauscher Inc. Application Services IS Capital Markets Phone 612-547-7573 Fax 612-547-7580 mailto:jmiller2@dainrauscher.com -----Original Message----- From: Thomas T. Veldhouse [mailto:veldy@veldy.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 3:02 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Procmail and Pine If it is passed to procmail, what do you do with it from there? Do you put it in folders based on filter criteria? If so, you should be placing it into mailboxes under your ~/mail/ folder. Perhaps a snippet of your .procmailrc file might be useful. Here is a small snippet from mine: :0 * ^Sender:.*tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org.* /home/veldy/mail/Linux-MN Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miller, John" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:35 AM Subject: [TCLUG] Procmail and Pine > I am running RH7.0 and am using fetchmail to get mail from Mediaone and pass > it on to procmail. I am using pine to read my mail. When I go to read my > mail in pine, it says that I have only one message when infact there are > dozens. What am I missing. There are no options set for procmail, just the > recipes for mail sorting. > > John Miller > Dain Rauscher Inc. > Application Services > IS Capital Markets > Phone 612-547-7573 > Fax 612-547-7580 > mailto:jmiller2@dainrauscher.com > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jasonj at innominatus.com Wed Apr 4 15:48:43 2001 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes References: <3ACB300B.6E1E9F93@fandre.com> <00a401c0bd24$59555210$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010404122552.I1202@real-time.com> <3ACB5BE7.C2F530CB@talkware.net> <3AC9C35B.B9855260@usfamily.net> <3ACB7A6D.B98EA5C3@talkware.net> <01ec01c0bd44$62f12310$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <3ACB88AB.175710FE@innominatus.com> When your sending CD ISO's and tar.gz's that are gig's large, I will take 768k upstream over 384K anyday. That extra 40K of upstream really helps. You may do ALOT more downloading than uploading, in which case your connection is great. I happen to do alot of uploading as well, or wanting to use my connection away from home. Connecting to my machines at home and pull down an ISO to burn from a friends house or a clients office. Again that extra 40K comes in handy. And if I ever end up doing more consulting on the side, I may considering going 1.1/1.1 or a 1.5/1.5. Speakeasy offers residential 1.5/1.5 at $300 a month. "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > I can do all these things on my 1500/384 connection :) I am paying > $69/month. It will end though. That is what worries me. I give Covad 9 > months in the current economic conditions. I might just keep two DSL lines > (and selectively route traffic) during a few months of the time until I know > for sure. I am sicked of bridge mode DSL -- traffic on the same subnet > sometimes affects me with XO :( > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jason Jorgensen" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 2:47 PM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] DSL woes > > > What does importance have to do with WANTING speed? I am a computer geek > dang it! I > > ENJOY 768k/768k. Plus I do host domains and email and quake for friends > and family. I > > also telecommute to work. I also do consulting for random tasks that > sometimes involve > > internet related things. It makes doing what I do a heck of a lot easier. > Not to > > mention that Quake 3 ping rates between 15-40 ROCK!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > > > > > What exactly do you do at home that is so important that you can justify > paying $150 > > > a month for DSL? > > > > > > Jason Jorgensen wrote: > > > > > > > When onvoy dropped DSL I switched to speakeasy.net and to get the same > 768k/768k > > > > the charge is $150 a month instead of $70 from onvoy. Both go through > Covad. > > > > > > > > Bob Tanner wrote: > > > > > > > > > Quoting Thomas T. Veldhouse (veldy@veldy.net): > > > > > > Yep -- I use Covad for my DSL and I work for PSINet. I am > heading down a > > > > > > long slope to a bottomless pit. > > > > > > > > > > For all of you with the DSL woes, has the switch from providers > changed your > > > > > pricing at all? > > > > > > > > > > If so, how (cheaper, more expensive)? > > > > > > > > > > I think the problem is that this national dsl providers are playing > the pricing > > > > > game against cable and they are loosing. Cable has the whole revenue > model from > > > > > the TV service, so IP stuff is just frosting. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > > > > > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > > > Key fingerprint = 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From > $8.99/mo! ------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jonathankl_2001 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 4 15:49:17 2001 From: jonathankl_2001 at yahoo.com (Jonathan Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Scriptting smbpasswd Message-ID: <20010404204917.8275.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com> Anyone every write a script or modify smbpasswd? In a nutshell what I want to be able to do is call smbpasswd from the command prompt and pass it three options, username, pass, pass_check So instead of reading the password and usernmae from stdin or tty, it will read them from the command prompt. If this is not possible anyone know how to do it from a bash script using smbpasswd -s? TIA Jonathan A. Kline __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From jonathankl_2001 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 4 15:50:00 2001 From: jonathankl_2001 at yahoo.com (Jonathan Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Scriptting smbpasswd Message-ID: <20010404205000.8384.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com> Anyone every write a script or modify smbpasswd? In a nutshell what I want to be able to do is call smbpasswd from the command prompt and pass it three options, username, pass, pass_check So instead of reading the password and usernmae from stdin or tty, it will read them from the command prompt. If this is not possible anyone know how to do it from a bash script using smbpasswd -s? TIA Jonathan A. Kline __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From veldy at veldy.net Wed Apr 4 15:46:04 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes References: <3ACB300B.6E1E9F93@fandre.com> <00a401c0bd24$59555210$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010404122552.I1202@real-time.com> <3ACB5BE7.C2F530CB@talkware.net> <3AC9C35B.B9855260@usfamily.net> <3ACB7A6D.B98EA5C3@talkware.net> <3AC9DA9A.9EE07844@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <021c01c0bd48$448cb160$3028680a@tgt.com> But if it did grow on trees, would you get it :?) Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Nemchenko" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 9:13 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] DSL woes > You must understand that you and I were raised differently, although I would also like to > have blazing speed, I would not be able to justify to my family why we should spend $150 > for an internet connection, to them and actually me also, it would seem like a waste of > money. The phrase that they would use to justify it is "Money does not grow on trees" at > least not in my neighborhood. > > > Jason Jorgensen wrote: > > > What does importance have to do with WANTING speed? I am a computer geek dang it! I > > ENJOY 768k/768k. Plus I do host domains and email and quake for friends and family. I > > also telecommute to work. I also do consulting for random tasks that sometimes involve > > internet related things. It makes doing what I do a heck of a lot easier. Not to > > mention that Quake 3 ping rates between 15-40 ROCK!! > > > > Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > > > > > What exactly do you do at home that is so important that you can justify paying $150 > > > a month for DSL? > > > > > > Jason Jorgensen wrote: > > > > > > > When onvoy dropped DSL I switched to speakeasy.net and to get the same 768k/768k > > > > the charge is $150 a month instead of $70 from onvoy. Both go through Covad. > > > > > > > > Bob Tanner wrote: > > > > > > > > > Quoting Thomas T. Veldhouse (veldy@veldy.net): > > > > > > Yep -- I use Covad for my DSL and I work for PSINet. I am heading down a > > > > > > long slope to a bottomless pit. > > > > > > > > > > For all of you with the DSL woes, has the switch from providers changed your > > > > > pricing at all? > > > > > > > > > > If so, how (cheaper, more expensive)? > > > > > > > > > > I think the problem is that this national dsl providers are playing the pricing > > > > > game against cable and they are loosing. Cable has the whole revenue model from > > > > > the TV service, so IP stuff is just frosting. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > > > > > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > > > Key fingerprint = 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ > From tanner at real-time.com Wed Apr 4 16:05:12 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes In-Reply-To: ; from Troy.A.Johnson@state.mn.us on Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 03:40:56PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010404160512.T1202@real-time.com> Quoting Troy Johnson (Troy.A.Johnson@state.mn.us): > Keep talking...about how much do you estimate a vm-linux would cost? I assume you'd like a person to commit to some term at that cost, so what would that term be? One year? Is this a real possibility? > > Sorry for the excessive number of questions. It's a good thing I'm not a cat... The poll will have some questions asking just these questions. :-) Yes, it's a possibility. If not with a S/390, then some large Intel box using something like VMWare GSX. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010404/aa984ede/attachment.pgp From drew at usfamily.net Tue Apr 3 10:32:16 2001 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes References: <3ACB300B.6E1E9F93@fandre.com> <00a401c0bd24$59555210$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010404122552.I1202@real-time.com> <3ACB5BE7.C2F530CB@talkware.net> <3AC9C35B.B9855260@usfamily.net> <3ACB7A6D.B98EA5C3@talkware.net> <3AC9DA9A.9EE07844@usfamily.net> <021c01c0bd48$448cb160$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <3AC9ED00.36BC1F8C@usfamily.net> If money grew on trees I would start a graden and then finance getting an internet backbone connection right into my house, wouldn't even bother with dsl. "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > But if it did grow on trees, would you get it :?) > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andrew Nemchenko" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 9:13 AM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] DSL woes > > > You must understand that you and I were raised differently, although I > would also like to > > have blazing speed, I would not be able to justify to my family why we > should spend $150 > > for an internet connection, to them and actually me also, it would seem > like a waste of > > money. The phrase that they would use to justify it is "Money does not > grow on trees" at > > least not in my neighborhood. > > > > > > Jason Jorgensen wrote: > > > > > What does importance have to do with WANTING speed? I am a computer geek > dang it! I > > > ENJOY 768k/768k. Plus I do host domains and email and quake for friends > and family. I > > > also telecommute to work. I also do consulting for random tasks that > sometimes involve > > > internet related things. It makes doing what I do a heck of a lot > easier. Not to > > > mention that Quake 3 ping rates between 15-40 ROCK!! > > > > > > Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > > > > > > > What exactly do you do at home that is so important that you can > justify paying $150 > > > > a month for DSL? > > > > > > > > Jason Jorgensen wrote: > > > > > > > > > When onvoy dropped DSL I switched to speakeasy.net and to get the > same 768k/768k > > > > > the charge is $150 a month instead of $70 from onvoy. Both go > through Covad. > > > > > > > > > > Bob Tanner wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Quoting Thomas T. Veldhouse (veldy@veldy.net): > > > > > > > Yep -- I use Covad for my DSL and I work for PSINet. I am > heading down a > > > > > > > long slope to a bottomless pit. > > > > > > > > > > > > For all of you with the DSL woes, has the switch from providers > changed your > > > > > > pricing at all? > > > > > > > > > > > > If so, how (cheaper, more expensive)? > > > > > > > > > > > > I think the problem is that this national dsl providers are > playing the pricing > > > > > > game against cable and they are loosing. Cable has the whole > revenue model from > > > > > > the TV service, so IP stuff is just frosting. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > > > > > > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > > > > Key fingerprint = 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 > 7DA3 > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From > $8.99/mo! ------ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From > $8.99/mo! ------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: drew.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 265 bytes Desc: Card for Andrew Nemchenko Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010403/da07acaa/drew.vcf From fertch at mninter.net Wed Apr 4 16:34:16 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes/390 virtuals References: <3ACB300B.6E1E9F93@fandre.com> <20010404092839.A14521@mn.rr.com> <016c01c0bd36$a3ff6000$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010404140409.W27270@ringworld.org> <20010404142700.G1202@real-time.com> <3ACB82AE.6E85B390@mninter.net> <20010404154624.P1202@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3ACB9358.9F2F195A@mninter.net> Bob Tanner wrote: > > Quoting Shawn (fertch@mninter.net): > > Bob Tanner wrote: > > > > > > Better idea. Convince Real Time to get a Z-Series (formally S390) and tell them > > > to hand out virtual-linux "boxes" to everyone to do with whatever they want. > > > > > > -- > > > > Cool Bob! So, when's it gonna happen???? > > After Saturday TCLUG meeting the poll on the web site should change (right > Clay?) and it will deal with this whole idea. > > This is a dream of mine. I just have prove to the bean counters that Real Time > can make money on it. Neat idea Bob. I've thought about it myself, but I've never had a chance to get my hands on a 390 that I could devote specificly to Linux stuff like this. Then again, last time I touched a S390 was almost two years ago... Shawn From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Apr 4 16:33:03 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes In-Reply-To: <3ACB88AB.175710FE@innominatus.com>; from jasonj@innominatus.com on Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 03:48:43PM -0500 References: <3ACB300B.6E1E9F93@fandre.com> <00a401c0bd24$59555210$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010404122552.I1202@real-time.com> <3ACB5BE7.C2F530CB@talkware.net> <3AC9C35B.B9855260@usfamily.net> <3ACB7A6D.B98EA5C3@talkware.net> <01ec01c0bd44$62f12310$3028680a@tgt.com> <3ACB88AB.175710FE@innominatus.com> Message-ID: <20010404163303.X27270@ringworld.org> * Jason J [010404 16:12]: > When your sending CD ISO's and tar.gz's that are gig's large, I will take 768k > upstream over 384K anyday. That extra 40K of upstream really helps. The large problem is, it isn't worth another $80+ for me to get that 'extra 40k'. It's pretty bad returns for another $80-150. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@efnet So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010404/2331ba21/attachment.pgp From jethro at yaron.org Wed Apr 4 16:35:37 2001 From: jethro at yaron.org (jethro@yaron.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux on Sparc5.. In-Reply-To: <20010404151535.A57355@sorry.cs.umn.edu> References: <3ACB763F.8DD989C4@mttcc.com> <20010404145114.I1202@real-time.com> <20010404151535.A57355@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <986420137.3acb93a921d35@dragon> Hi, Quoting dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu: > > > Does anyone have a Sparc5 "disk caddie" they wold be willing to > > > part with? > > Disk caddie, meaning cdrom caddie? > I think he means hard disk caddie. Hmm. Your idea makes a lot more sense than the CD thing (I though he means cdrom caddie too.. we'll have to wait and see!) > In the Sparc 5 (and 1, 2, 10, 20, etc), you strap your hard drive into a > little plastic (or metal) caddie and then secure the caddie in the case. > It's weird, but that's what they chose to do. It's less weird than sticking it in a case and looking for a way to get to the screw holes. The SPARC1-20 are pretty much like lego on the inside... -Yaron -- From zibby at ringworld.org Wed Apr 4 16:45:09 2001 From: zibby at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Procmail and Pine In-Reply-To: <01cf01c0bd42$1ace1ae0$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: > :0 > * ^Sender:.*tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org.* > /home/veldy/mail/Linux-MN MAILDIR=$HOME/mail/ # LOGFILE=$HOME/mail/procmail.log :0: * ^TOtclug tclug That gets tclug mail into ~/mail/tclug. Why do more typing than you have to? :) As for the all messages shoing up as one long message, what MDA are you using on you workstation? Sendmail? exim? postfix? other? Have you tried grabbing the latest pine source and compiling? Take a look at your mail folders with your pager (less, more). It should look something like: >From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Apr 4 13:10:39 2001 Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 13:10:39 -0500 (CDT) From: Mail System Internal Data Subject: DON'T DELETE THIS MESSAGE -- FOLDER INTERNAL DATA X-IMAP: 0972014099 0000005644 Status: RO This text is part of the internal format of your mail folder, and is not a real message. It is created automatically by the mail system software. If deleted, important folder data will be lost, and it will be re-created with the data reset to initial values. >From tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org Wed Jan 31 23:36:07 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: andyzib@ringworld.org Received: from sprite.real-time.com (lists.real-time.com [206.10.253.8]) by destiny.ringworld.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D553180C3 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 23:36:07 -0600 (CST) Received: from sprite.real-time.com (IDENT:Hm1LeVILJnqnSHHYNayjOIKtDisCNb+d@loca lhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sprite.real-time.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f115YNl14292; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 23:34:23 -0600 Received: from enchanter.real-time.com (IDENT:IQlFE1oSJH4gFJdveToVAFEKkNcY5sIW@e nchanter.real-time.com [206.10.252.9]) by sprite.real-time.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f115QBl14180 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 23:26:11 -0600 Received: (from tanner@localhost) by enchanter.real-time.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f115QAE30622 for tclug-list@mn-linux.org; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 23:26:10 -0600 From: Bob Tanner To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Message-ID: <20010131232610.C28709@real-time.com> Mail-Followup-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Subject: [TCLUG] Fisher burns 3 T1s at 200K/s Sender: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org Errors-To: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org X-BeenThere: tclug-list@mn-linux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 23:26:10 -0600 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 3264 Message text here From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Apr 4 17:04:55 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Procmail and Pine In-Reply-To: ; from zibby@ringworld.org on Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 04:45:09PM -0500 References: <01cf01c0bd42$1ace1ae0$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <20010404170455.A5991@ringworld.org> * Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) [010404 16:56]: > > :0 > > * ^Sender:.*tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org.* > > /home/veldy/mail/Linux-MN > > MAILDIR=$HOME/mail/ > # LOGFILE=$HOME/mail/procmail.log > :0: > * ^TOtclug Or, :0 * ^Delivered-To: dieman\+tclug list.tclug-list If you can use the + delimiter in your email address. Then add some magic somewhere (in mutt use send_hook's) to make sure the mail comes from the right address when sending. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@efnet So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010404/3c4450ec/attachment.pgp From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Apr 4 17:15:45 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109762@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> >It's called JetCafe. See http://www.jetcafe.org/ for > details. Ouch, $500 initiation, and $50/month for a 28.8 dialup. $100 initiation and $20 month for a shell account. I didn't see any extra services or anything, it just looks expensive... > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Lystig Fritchie [mailto:fritchie@mr.net] > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 3:48 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] DSL woes > > > >>>>> "sd" == Scott Dier writes: > > sd> Really, a bunch of you should someday get together, get some space > sd> near an isp (secure 'closet' room in same building), and get an > sd> ethernet drop and split the costs. :) > > FWIW, I know several of the folks who are involved in just such a > thing in SoCal. It's called JetCafe. See http://www.jetcafe.org/ for > details. > > -Scott > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com Wed Apr 4 17:48:38 2001 From: JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com (Miller, John) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Procmail and Pine Message-ID: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3941D61D9@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> I am not using an mda. I am using Fetchmail with "mda procmail" in the .fetchmailrc. The other line in fetchmailrc is the logon information needed my Mediaone. How does pine know when one messages stops and another starts. John Miller Dain Rauscher Inc. Application Services IS Capital Markets Phone 612-547-7573 Fax 612-547-7580 mailto:jmiller2@dainrauscher.com -----Original Message----- From: Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) [mailto:zibby@ringworld.org] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 4:45 PM To: TCLUG-list Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Procmail and Pine X-Keywords: X-UID: 3264 Message text here From fertch at mninter.net Wed Apr 4 18:18:19 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Alsa help needed (resend) Message-ID: <3ACBABBB.98E04074@mninter.net> I think I'm missing something on the install for Alsa. I'm trying to get sound to work on my Thinkpad now finally, and I'm following the how-to from Alsa's website. I'm using the alsa 0.5.10 files, I've unzipped, ran the ./configure, make, and make install on all three driver/lib/utils. I ran the ./snddevices in the /usr/src/alsa-driver* directory. According to the how-to, it should have made a directory called /dev/snd. Instead it created a link to /proc/asound/dev which is a non-existant directory. So, where do I go from here? Do I create the directory which is supposed to be linked from the /dev/snd link that was created or ???? Also, I'm supposed to load the nv256 module (for the NeoMagic256 audio device) which isn't found on my system at all now after all this. So, while I've got some spare time that I can use to configure my sound on this thing can someone with more experience on this give me some pointers or direction on what to do with these two issues? Do I rerun the steps I've taken above and create the /proc/asound/dev directory? I'm running Slack 7.1 with the 2.2.16 kernel. I do plan on going up to 2.4.2 but I'm unfamiliar with the procedure and would prefer to wait until the 12th when someone can give me some more guidance on this. Thanks, Shawn From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Apr 4 18:18:03 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109762@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 05:15:45PM -0500 References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109762@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010404181803.C5991@ringworld.org> * Austad, Jay [010404 17:36]: > Ouch, $500 initiation, and $50/month for a 28.8 dialup. $100 initiation and 2 domain, 2 pop accounts, a shell, and a *deticated* dialup for 50$. Thats *excellent* Price out a deticated 28.8 line sometime soon. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@efnet So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010404/2166021d/attachment.pgp From andy at theasis.com Wed Apr 4 18:09:27 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes In-Reply-To: <20010404150344.K1202@real-time.com> Message-ID: > Quoting Andrew Nemchenko (drew@usfamily.net): > > A great Idea but how do we go about achieving this with out spending too much > > money? > > You get every single tclug member to commit to having a vm-linux and > pay some monthly fee for it. :-) Since "every single" is not really practical, can you give ballpark of total costs that need to be recovered initially/monthly, and maybe napkin-figurings like "we can cover costs with 20 people paying about $XX/month"? Andy From andy at theasis.com Wed Apr 4 18:30:18 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Procmail and Pine In-Reply-To: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3941D61D9@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> Message-ID: > I am not using an mda. I am using Fetchmail with "mda procmail" in the > .fetchmailrc. The other line in fetchmailrc is the logon information needed > my Mediaone. > > How does pine know when one messages stops and another starts. The "From" line. Andy > > John Miller > Dain Rauscher Inc. > Application Services > IS Capital Markets > Phone 612-547-7573 > Fax 612-547-7580 > mailto:jmiller2@dainrauscher.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) [mailto:zibby@ringworld.org] > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 4:45 PM > To: TCLUG-list > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Procmail and Pine > > > > > > X-Keywords: > X-UID: 3264 > > Message text here > > >From tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > lots more header crap.... > > If it doesn't, try a procmail rule like: > :0: > * ^TOtclug > |cat >> /home/user/mail/tclug > > this should create a "proper" mbox folder. first thing to do is to figure > out what part of your mail setup is being stupid. :) > > | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | > | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | > | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | > | When in danger, or in doubt, | > | run in circles, scream and shout! | > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From fritchie at mr.net Wed Apr 4 18:48:35 2001 From: fritchie at mr.net (Scott Lystig Fritchie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes In-Reply-To: Message of "Wed, 04 Apr 2001 17:15:45 CDT." <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109762@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <200104042348.f34Nmab70606@snookles.snookles.com> >>>>> "aj" == Austad, Jay writes: >> It's called JetCafe. See http://www.jetcafe.org/ for details. aj> Ouch, $500 initiation, and $50/month for a 28.8 dialup. [...] I wasn't suggesting that y'all *use* their services. Besides, it's a co-op, and you'd have to be willing to attend meetings, provide tech help, etc. to keep the co-op running ... which would mean you'd probably need to live in LA to become a member. And I'll bet that their only modem pool is also in LA. Same for ATM termination box for DSL stuff (if they do it), etc. (I'd be willing to bet no one has bothered updating their service pricing in a while. After all, it's a closely-knit group of folks, and all the co-op members probably already know what's current.) I was citing it as an example of folks who collectively agreed that ISPs in Los Angeles sucked and that they created one of their own to serve their needs. JetCafe has been around for many years, able to sustain itself with willing co-op members. YMMV. At least one JetCafe member I know has one of his machines collocated in JetCafe's space. That's the sort of bandwidth sharing, IIRC, was one of the many topics discussed in this thread and the reason why I piped up in the first place. There's nothing to say a group of people couldn't start an ISP cooperative with the intent of only providing collocation services. Just as long as y'all don't fight over who pays what fraction of the power bills. :-) -Scott From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu Wed Apr 4 18:36:25 2001 From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WIN98 Message-ID: <010404183625.2033c5de@dcmir.med.umn.edu> Hi I have a prof that would like me to install RH on his machine and I'm hoping some of you guru types can point out the pitfalls before I fall into them as I'd rather get this one right the first time and not have him breathing down my neck while recovering from all the stupid mistakes I'm sure I'll make. The box is a Dell Dimension XPS P800R running Win98. It says family 6, so I assume this means a 686 PIII. Nvidia GeForce 256 AGP and a P1110 monitor. there's only 1 disk on it (Maxtor 5 4098H8) with one partition on that -- 36G. As I'm sure you can tell, I'm learning Windows slowly (as possible!) as I've managed to avoid it for quite a while. All the machines that I've installed onto so far have been NT with 2 separate disks on which I managed to keep the 2 OS's at the front of the 2 disks. The first problem I see is the repartitioning of the disk. Fdisk I assume, but what will this do to the OS? Reinstall I suppose. Thanks for any help you can offer. Ed Hoeffner 1-271 BSBE 312 Church St. SE Mpls, MN 55455 hoeffner@dcmir.med.umn.edu 612-625-2115 612-625-2163 fax From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Apr 4 19:20:40 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Modeline generation Message-ID: Hi, Ok, I'm annoyed now (: I got a 21" monitor that can do 1600x1200@76. but X won't see it. I can't seem to be able to generate modelines for it. I found a website that does it but the modelines it generated didn't work (screen was shifted to the middle and colours are off). I used to use kvideogen, but I don't have the binary anymore and it won't compile with KDE2. Nor run probably if I had the binary. Anyone have some advice? I don't want to do 1280x1024! -Yaron -- From dhanson2 at uswest.net Wed Apr 4 19:25:55 2001 From: dhanson2 at uswest.net (Doug Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WIN98 References: <010404183625.2033c5de@dcmir.med.umn.edu> Message-ID: <016a01c0bd66$face1ea0$0200000a@charizard> Ed, If you use Fdisk it will remove the partition and blow away windows (gee bummer!!). To separate it cleanly, use a utility such as partition magic. Then install Linux to the new partition. LILO will handle the dual boot of the 2 OS's. If you want to do it cleanly, buy another hard drive. With today's prices on drives, $100.00 will buy you 20-30GB worth of Linux bliss.... Check the RedHat site for supported hardware! Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 6:36 PM Subject: [TCLUG] WIN98 > Hi > > I have a prof that would like me to install RH on his machine and I'm hoping > some of you guru types can point out the pitfalls before I fall into them as > I'd rather get this one right the first time and not have him breathing down my > neck while recovering from all the stupid mistakes I'm sure I'll make. > > The box is a Dell Dimension XPS P800R running Win98. It says family 6, so I > assume this means a 686 PIII. Nvidia GeForce 256 AGP and a P1110 monitor. > there's only 1 disk on it (Maxtor 5 4098H8) with one partition on that -- 36G. > > As I'm sure you can tell, I'm learning Windows slowly (as possible!) as I've > managed to avoid it for quite a while. All the machines that I've installed > onto so far have been NT with 2 separate disks on which I managed to keep the 2 > OS's at the front of the 2 disks. The first problem I see is the repartitioning > of the disk. Fdisk I assume, but what will this do to the OS? Reinstall I > suppose. > > Thanks for any help you can offer. > > Ed Hoeffner > 1-271 BSBE > 312 Church St. SE > Mpls, MN 55455 > hoeffner@dcmir.med.umn.edu > 612-625-2115 > 612-625-2163 fax > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From thefishyone at hotmail.com Wed Apr 4 20:26:41 2001 From: thefishyone at hotmail.com (Matt Waters) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New to linux Message-ID: >From: Philip C Mendelsohn >Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >Subject: RE: [TCLUG] New to linux >Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 08:02:03 -0500 (CDT) > >On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, Matt Waters wrote: > > > BTW, any of you guys know of a place around the Dakota > > county area where I can get 2.2r2 binaries for Debian? (I have a helluva > > slow connection and don't want to spend the next 2 months downloading > > debian.) Anyway, I've probably rambled on long enough. Thanks again for >your > > help. You guys are great. > >You can just order them online, too. I forget who I got mine from, but >I'll look -- it was way cheap, and they're great. > >If I had a CD burner, I'd do copies for you. (That's potato, right?) Or >you can borrow the disks for an afternoon. I'm not in Dakota county, but >52 ends a stone's throw from my place in St. Paul. > > > Now for the hardest part of any Linux installation: Getting my > > windows-addicted family to learn how to use Linux without constantly > > complaining about it. =) > >Nah, just make sure you install something like Star Office or WordPerfect >so they don't have to *start* with emacs. It's easy to find bells and >whistles (sloppy focus in X) that will win them over. > >-- >"To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list I've got a CD burner and some free disks. If you could lend me the disks for an afternoon, that would be great. As for a good word processor, I'm sure either of those would prolly work for them, since they don't demand much. I suppose I could bribe my sisters with WordPerfect by threatening to make them use emacs if they get on my nerves. =) BTW, there was some talk earlier of some dude offering some cheap radio connections to his 2mbps pipe. I must say, I find this most cool. I apologize if it's already been said, but how much is he charging for hardware and monthly access? The Fishy One's Infinite Wisdom #28: "Life is anything that dies when you stomp on it." _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From mthoren at mttcc.com Wed Apr 4 21:23:34 2001 From: mthoren at mttcc.com (Matt Thoren) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux on Sparc5.. References: <3ACB763F.8DD989C4@mttcc.com> <20010404145114.I1202@real-time.com> <20010404151535.A57355@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <986420137.3acb93a921d35@dragon> Message-ID: <3ACBD726.724E01D7@mttcc.com> I am sorry I was not able to clarify on the thread I started sooner (busy day...) Thanks for everyone's input on the performance between Solaris and Linux. I do mean the clear plastic holder for an internal disk drive on a Sparc5. I got a replacement disk off the web (cheap) that was supposed to include the "kit" which the guy I talked too said that the kit included the plastic mounting thingy. I am running Solaris8 on a Sparc5 80Mhz cpu and 256MB memory. I haven't been too disappointed overall, but I had a pc running Linux 6.2 on 400Mhz and 256MB memory and I liked my pc better. Stupid question, but what would be the best way to go about removing solaris and installing linux. Is there a preferred distro? Matt. jethro@yaron.org wrote: > Hi, > > Quoting dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu: > > > > > Does anyone have a Sparc5 "disk caddie" they wold be willing to > > > > part with? > > > Disk caddie, meaning cdrom caddie? > > I think he means hard disk caddie. > > Hmm. Your idea makes a lot more sense than the CD thing (I though he means > cdrom caddie too.. we'll have to wait and see!) > > > In the Sparc 5 (and 1, 2, 10, 20, etc), you strap your hard drive into a > > little plastic (or metal) caddie and then secure the caddie in the case. > > It's weird, but that's what they chose to do. > > It's less weird than sticking it in a case and looking for a way to get to the > screw holes. The SPARC1-20 are pretty much like lego on the inside... > > -Yaron > > -- > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Matt Thoren MTT Computer Consulting Inc. 2633 Fremont Ave. North Minneapolis, MN 55411 mthoren@mttcc.com http://www.mttcc.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010404/ced57bc9/attachment.htm From dd-b at dd-b.net Wed Apr 4 22:40:52 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mailman just too slow In-Reply-To: <20010330151540.E27270@ringworld.org> References: <20010329214706.B2995@master.dbsource.com> <20010330123750.V19975@real-time.com> <20010330140311.C1883@vm-lvm> <20010330151540.E27270@ringworld.org> Message-ID: Scott Dier writes: > * Ben Lutgens [010330 15:06]: > > I use qmail and don't have these problems. Just my .02 but qmail kicks ass. > > too bad its licensing #@)( people in the ass. Not so's one would really notice. I *like* it that Dan is keeping pretty strong central control; otherwise qmail would have been nickeled and dimed to performance and security death by now, with people adding all the things they "can't live without". -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From dd-b at dd-b.net Wed Apr 4 22:44:37 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes In-Reply-To: <20010404135857.V27270@ringworld.org> References: <3ACB300B.6E1E9F93@fandre.com> <00a401c0bd24$59555210$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010404122552.I1202@real-time.com> <3ACB5BE7.C2F530CB@talkware.net> <3AC9C35B.B9855260@usfamily.net> <20010404135857.V27270@ringworld.org> Message-ID: Scott Dier writes: > * Andrew Nemchenko [010404 13:51]: > > What exactly do you do at home that is so important that you can justify paying $150 > > a month for DSL? > > SDSL isn't normal 'dsl'.. You get symetteric rates for your upstream and > downstream, instead of just 512/128 or any other weird splits. You pay > more too. > > Upside: speakeasy lets you do damn near anything you want, I hear. I've got Qwest 768k DSL with static IPs for about that same price. I don't "need" it, but I'm running two servers here, and a dozen and a few virtual domains for family, friends, non-profit orgs, and such. And we have 4 heavy internet users in the house, so the inbound bandwidth is useful too :-) -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From dd-b at dd-b.net Wed Apr 4 22:47:25 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes In-Reply-To: <3AC9DA9A.9EE07844@usfamily.net> References: <3ACB300B.6E1E9F93@fandre.com> <00a401c0bd24$59555210$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010404122552.I1202@real-time.com> <3ACB5BE7.C2F530CB@talkware.net> <3AC9C35B.B9855260@usfamily.net> <3ACB7A6D.B98EA5C3@talkware.net> <3AC9DA9A.9EE07844@usfamily.net> Message-ID: Andrew Nemchenko writes: > You must understand that you and I were raised differently, although > I would also like to have blazing speed, I would not be able to > justify to my family why we should spend $150 for an internet > connection, to them and actually me also, it would seem like a waste > of money. The phrase that they would use to justify it is "Money > does not grow on trees" at least not in my neighborhood. Okay, so the point here is that we can't possibly "justify" paying that much, right? And we'd be depriving our families if we did? And that we do this bad thing because we weren't taught good values? Because if that's *NOT* what you're trying to say (and a nasty, supercilious, little message it is!) you've certainly misrepresented yourself! -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From dd-b at dd-b.net Wed Apr 4 22:51:05 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes In-Reply-To: <200104042048.f34KmJb69286@snookles.snookles.com> References: <200104042048.f34KmJb69286@snookles.snookles.com> Message-ID: Scott Lystig Fritchie writes: > >>>>> "sd" == Scott Dier writes: > > sd> Really, a bunch of you should someday get together, get some space > sd> near an isp (secure 'closet' room in same building), and get an > sd> ethernet drop and split the costs. :) > > FWIW, I know several of the folks who are involved in just such a > thing in SoCal. It's called JetCafe. See http://www.jetcafe.org/ for > details. I might want to move one of the servers over there, depending on bandwidth, pricing, and access. On the other hand, I can't drop the connectivity here too far or my housemates will have my head! It sure is nice to have the reset button a 5-second walk from my bed, if things are going badly. -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From dd-b at dd-b.net Wed Apr 4 22:52:55 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes In-Reply-To: <20010404181803.C5991@ringworld.org> References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109762@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> <20010404181803.C5991@ringworld.org> Message-ID: Scott Dier writes: > * Austad, Jay [010404 17:36]: > > Ouch, $500 initiation, and $50/month for a 28.8 dialup. $100 initiation and > > 2 domain, 2 pop accounts, a shell, and a *deticated* dialup for 50$. > Thats *excellent* > > Price out a deticated 28.8 line sometime soon. If you say so. But why would I want a $50 28.8 connection instead of a $40 256k connection? -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Apr 5 00:41:14 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes In-Reply-To: ; from dd-b@dd-b.net on Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 10:52:55PM -0500 References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109762@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> <20010404181803.C5991@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010405004114.F5991@ringworld.org> * David Dyer-Bennet [010404 23:03]: > If you say so. But why would I want a $50 28.8 connection instead of > a $40 256k connection? Because you cant get DSL. Think of it, people all over the US cant get DSL nor Cable. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@efnet So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Perhaps djb is worried about losing mindshare for some reason. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@efnet So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010405/53d3e8a4/attachment.pgp From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Apr 5 00:42:15 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux on Sparc5.. In-Reply-To: <3ACBD726.724E01D7@mttcc.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Matt Thoren wrote: > Stupid question, but what would be the best way to go about removing solaris and > installing linux. > Is there a preferred distro? I've only used Red Hat on SPARC, but installing it is trivial - pop the CD in and go "boot cdrom" at the prom. Net install is slightly more complicated. I don't think Red Hat 7 is available for SPARC. The latest SuSE and debian are, though. -Yaron -- From tanner at real-time.com Thu Apr 5 01:43:12 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] S/390 Pipe Dream Thread (was DSL thread) In-Reply-To: ; from andy@theasis.com on Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 06:09:27PM -0500 References: <20010404150344.K1202@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010405014312.D6647@real-time.com> Quoting andy@theasis.com (andy@theasis.com): > > Quoting Andrew Nemchenko (drew@usfamily.net): > > > A great Idea but how do we go about achieving this with out spending too much > > > money? > > > > You get every single tclug member to commit to having a vm-linux and > > pay some monthly fee for it. :-) > > Since "every single" is not really practical, can you give ballpark of > total costs that need to be recovered initially/monthly, and maybe > napkin-figurings like "we can cover costs with 20 people paying > about $XX/month"? Well, I want "ever single" computer to run linux too.... Let Clay get the poll up. Let me finish my Linux conference presentations (yes, more then 1) and then I can put up some numbers. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Thu Apr 5 01:58:46 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux on Sparc5.. In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 12:42:15AM -0500 References: <3ACBD726.724E01D7@mttcc.com> Message-ID: <20010405015846.F6647@real-time.com> Quoting Yaron (jethro@freakzilla.com): > Hi, > > On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Matt Thoren wrote: > > > Stupid question, but what would be the best way to go about removing solaris and > > installing linux. > > Is there a preferred distro? > > I've only used Red Hat on SPARC, but installing it is trivial - pop the CD > in and go "boot cdrom" at the prom. Net install is slightly more > complicated. If you have a video display on the box. A tty install can be a little more tricky, especially if you have an older PROM. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From clay at fandre.com Thu Apr 5 05:54:41 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Modeline generation References: Message-ID: <3ACC4EF1.DBD5BF28@fandre.com> Yaron wrote: > > Hi, > > Ok, I'm annoyed now (: > > I got a 21" monitor that can do 1600x1200@76. but X won't see it. I can't > seem to be able to generate modelines for it. I found a website that does > it but the modelines it generated didn't work (screen was shifted to the > middle and colours are off). I used to use kvideogen, but I don't have the > binary anymore and it won't compile with KDE2. Nor run probably if I had > the binary. > > Anyone have some advice? I don't want to do 1280x1024! > > -Yaron Are you running XFree86 4? If so, run XFree86 -configure. I did that and it gave me the best resolution possible. (1800x1400 or something like that) From esper at sherohman.org Thu Apr 5 07:33:27 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mailman just too slow In-Reply-To: ; from dd-b@dd-b.net on Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 10:40:52PM -0500 References: <20010329214706.B2995@master.dbsource.com> <20010330123750.V19975@real-time.com> <20010330140311.C1883@vm-lvm> <20010330151540.E27270@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010405073327.B4389@sherohman.org> On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 10:40:52PM -0500, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > Not so's one would really notice. I *like* it that Dan is keeping > pretty strong central control; otherwise qmail would have been > nickeled and dimed to performance and security death by now, with > people adding all the things they "can't live without". No reason why DJB can't maintain strong control over the offical qmail while still allowing people to fork and distribute their own versions, whether better, worse, or even completely hosed. (Kinda like the Debian policy: Here's what we call the Official Debian CD. Download the ISO or make your own. If it has the same stuff, feel free to call it an Official Debian disc. If you add or remove anything, you have to call it something else.) -- Linux will do for applications what the Internet did for networks. - IBM, "Peace, Love, and Linux" Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Thu Apr 5 07:44:36 2001 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes In-Reply-To: <20010404154902.R1202@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 03:49:02PM -0500 References: <3ACB300B.6E1E9F93@fandre.com> <20010404092839.A14521@mn.rr.com> <016c01c0bd36$a3ff6000$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010404140409.W27270@ringworld.org> <20010404142700.G1202@real-time.com> <3AC9D475.10600233@usfamily.net> <20010404150344.K1202@real-time.com> <20010404151825.B57355@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <20010404154902.R1202@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010405074436.A59505@sorry.cs.umn.edu> > > Who's going to admin an S390, though? Does Real Time have any mainframe > > admins? > > Mainframe, Linux, NT is there a difference? :-) > > Carl can jump in here, but from the presentation on the S390 it seems like there > is going to be a web(?) interface to the 390 so you just point-n-click. > Won't someone need to be experienced in OS/390 to partition the mainframe? If there is a web interface, that's very cool, however. Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my church." - Thomas Paine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From clay at fandre.com Thu Apr 5 07:58:49 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes References: <3ACB300B.6E1E9F93@fandre.com> <20010404092839.A14521@mn.rr.com> <016c01c0bd36$a3ff6000$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010404140409.W27270@ringworld.org> <20010404142700.G1202@real-time.com> <3ACB82AE.6E85B390@mninter.net> <20010404154624.P1202@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3ACC6C09.DA1A0ECB@fandre.com> Bob Tanner wrote: > > Quoting Shawn (fertch@mninter.net): > > Bob Tanner wrote: > > > > > > Better idea. Convince Real Time to get a Z-Series (formally S390) and tell them > > > to hand out virtual-linux "boxes" to everyone to do with whatever they want. > > > > > > -- > > > > Cool Bob! So, when's it gonna happen???? > > After Saturday TCLUG meeting the poll on the web site should change (right > Clay?) and it will deal with this whole idea. > > This is a dream of mine. I just have prove to the bean counters that Real Time > can make money on it. Yea, that was the plan, but actually you can access the poll now. http://www.mn-linux.org/sympoll/polllist.php3?mypollid=10 It will be going up on the top-level TCLUG page Saturday. From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Thu Apr 5 07:59:41 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New to linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: E-mail me off list, and we can see what's a good afternoon for you to borrow the disks. Are you going to the meeting Sat? Cheers, Phil M On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Matt Waters wrote: > >From: Philip C Mendelsohn > >Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >Subject: RE: [TCLUG] New to linux > >Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 08:02:03 -0500 (CDT) > > > >On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, Matt Waters wrote: > > > > > BTW, any of you guys know of a place around the Dakota > > > county area where I can get 2.2r2 binaries for Debian? (I have a helluva > > > slow connection and don't want to spend the next 2 months downloading > > > debian.) Anyway, I've probably rambled on long enough. Thanks again for > >your > > > help. You guys are great. > > > >You can just order them online, too. I forget who I got mine from, but > >I'll look -- it was way cheap, and they're great. > > > >If I had a CD burner, I'd do copies for you. (That's potato, right?) Or > >you can borrow the disks for an afternoon. I'm not in Dakota county, but > >52 ends a stone's throw from my place in St. Paul. > > > > > Now for the hardest part of any Linux installation: Getting my > > > windows-addicted family to learn how to use Linux without constantly > > > complaining about it. =) > > > >Nah, just make sure you install something like Star Office or WordPerfect > >so they don't have to *start* with emacs. It's easy to find bells and > >whistles (sloppy focus in X) that will win them over. > > > >-- > >"To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous > > > >_______________________________________________ > >tclug-list mailing list > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > I've got a CD burner and some free disks. If you could lend me the disks for > an afternoon, that would be great. As for a good word processor, I'm sure > either of those would prolly work for them, since they don't demand much. I > suppose I could bribe my sisters with WordPerfect by threatening to make > them use emacs if they get on my nerves. =) > > BTW, there was some talk earlier of some dude offering some cheap radio > connections to his 2mbps pipe. I must say, I find this most cool. I > apologize if it's already been said, but how much is he charging for > hardware and monthly access? > > > > > The Fishy One's Infinite Wisdom #28: "Life is anything that dies when you > stomp on it." > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Thu Apr 5 08:06:04 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes In-Reply-To: <20010405074436.A59505@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Apr 2001 dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > > > Who's going to admin an S390, though? Does Real Time have any mainframe > > > admins? > > > > Mainframe, Linux, NT is there a difference? :-) > > > > Carl can jump in here, but from the presentation on the S390 it seems like there > > is going to be a web(?) interface to the 390 so you just point-n-click. > > > > Won't someone need to be experienced in OS/390 to partition the mainframe? > If there is a web interface, that's very cool, however. Hey, I just want to bring up a point that's been on my mind lately. I'm certainly not picking on Gabe or anyone else here. It really bugs me that HR depts ask computer people, "Do you know Java? Do you know C? Do you know AIX? Do you know Y? Do you know Z?" This is awfully like asking a carpenter, "Do you know screwdriver? Do you know hammer? Do you know radial arm saw?" I certainly understand wanting to find the people most qualfied for a given situation, but please! What happened to the idea of an *educated* person, who has the background to hit the ground running in whatever situation in a broad field in which they find themselves? We all know, being those sorts of folks (for the most part, anyway), that the world runs on, "Here, wait, let me try something..." anyway! I just think that it's bad enough when HR droids do it to us. Do we really need to encourage it ourselves?? An OS is an OS, for the most part. You dink till it works -- but if you have to dink more than a certain amount, let someone else try. I don't think Bob's central coop idea is trying to be ISO certified or anything! Let's just learn as we go, if necessary! Another County Heard From, Phil M -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From clay at fandre.com Thu Apr 5 08:09:22 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Who wants a Z-Series? Message-ID: <3ACC6E82.E7D09A08@fandre.com> Since many of you may have missed this in the DSL woes thread, here it is again. Go and vote!!! > Bob Tanner wrote: > > > Quoting Shawn (fertch@mninter.net): > > Bob Tanner wrote: > > > > > > > Better idea. Convince Real Time to get a Z-Series (formally S390) and tell them > > > to hand out virtual-linux "boxes" to everyone to do with whatever they want. > > > > > > -- > > > > Cool Bob! So, when's it gonna happen???? > > After Saturday TCLUG meeting the poll on the web site should change (right > Clay?) and it will deal with this whole idea. > > This is a dream of mine. I just have prove to the bean counters that Real Time > can make money on it. Yea, that was the plan, but actually you can access the poll now. http://www.mn-linux.org/sympoll/polllist.php3?mypollid=10 It will be going up on the top-level TCLUG page Saturday. From clay at fandre.com Thu Apr 5 08:11:10 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes References: <3ACB300B.6E1E9F93@fandre.com> <20010404110158.G27318@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3ACC6EEE.D86F4DF1@fandre.com> Bob Tanner wrote: > > Quoting Clay Fandre (clay@fandre.com): > > So my DSL got disconnected Saturday. (Boy it sucks) I had service > > through PhoenixDSL, who got bought out by MegaPath. Since MegaPath > > doesn't do residential, they sold us off to Telocity. It was suppose to > > be a transparent switch-over But apparently Rhythms (who I was using) > > was leasing lines through Northpoint. So I'm waiting to get switched > > over to all Rhythms. (Well, that's what Teleociy tells me anyway) So who > > knows when I'll be back up. > > > > Just when I thought it couldn't get any worse... read on... > > > > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010403/tc/telecoms_dsl_dc_1.html > > Have you checked to see if you can get Qworst DSL? The Megacentral site for us > the ISPs says they have expanded service. It's not only the distance, but my neigherhood is on a DLC. Anyone know if Qwest has a work-around for it yet? http://www.iec.org/tutorials/adsl_dlc/ From veldy at veldy.net Thu Apr 5 08:09:07 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Alsa help needed (resend) References: <3ACBABBB.98E04074@mninter.net> Message-ID: <007001c0bdd1$98ea99a0$3028680a@tgt.com> the /proc entry is created when you load the alsa modules. You can't create it. The documentation that comes with the alsa-drivers package is very good. You should use it instead of the HOWTO perhaps. It tells you how to load the modules using /etc/modules.conf or how to do it by loading them manually. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shawn" To: "tc-luglist" Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 6:18 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Alsa help needed (resend) > I think I'm missing something on the install for Alsa. I'm trying to > get sound to work on my Thinkpad now finally, and I'm following the > how-to from Alsa's website. I'm using the alsa 0.5.10 files, I've > unzipped, ran the ./configure, make, and make install on all three > driver/lib/utils. > > I ran the ./snddevices in the /usr/src/alsa-driver* directory. > According to the how-to, it should have made a directory called > /dev/snd. Instead it created a link to /proc/asound/dev which is a > non-existant directory. > > So, where do I go from here? Do I create the directory which is > supposed to be linked from the /dev/snd link that was created or ???? > > Also, I'm supposed to load the nv256 module (for the NeoMagic256 audio > device) which isn't found on my system at all now after all this. > > So, while I've got some spare time that I can use to configure my sound > on this thing can someone with more experience on this give me some > pointers or direction on what to do with these two issues? Do I rerun > the steps I've taken above and create the /proc/asound/dev directory? > > I'm running Slack 7.1 with the 2.2.16 kernel. I do plan on going up to > 2.4.2 but I'm unfamiliar with the procedure and would prefer to wait > until the 12th when someone can give me some more guidance on this. > > > Thanks, > > Shawn > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Thu Apr 5 08:14:54 2001 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes Message-ID: <0GBB00FDGM67S9@mail1.supervalu.com> I've never understood why people are so damned fascinated with Linux on the S/390. I get to work on SuSE/390, and it really isn't that impressive. The box isn't any more responsive than the Linux PC on my desk. Sure, you can put lots of them on one box - but if you're wanting to actually save money, you're better off buying small boxes. Or, buying a higher end Sun box and just intelligently administrating it. Grump. - Nick Reinking dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu, on 04/05/2001 07:44:36 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF cc: Subject: Re: [TCLUG] DSL woes > > Who's going to admin an S390, though? Does Real Time have any mainframe > > admins? > > Mainframe, Linux, NT is there a difference? :-) > > Carl can jump in here, but from the presentation on the S390 it seems like there > is going to be a web(?) interface to the 390 so you just point-n-click. > Won't someone need to be experienced in OS/390 to partition the mainframe? If there is a web interface, that's very cool, however. Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my church." - Thomas Paine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From fertch at mninter.net Thu Apr 5 08:32:55 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Who wants a Z-Series? References: <3ACC6E82.E7D09A08@fandre.com> Message-ID: <3ACC7407.7B2499CD@mninter.net> Clay Fandre wrote: > > Since many of you may have missed this in the DSL woes thread, here it > is again. Go and vote!!! > > http://www.mn-linux.org/sympoll/polllist.php3?mypollid=10 > > It will be going up on the top-level TCLUG page Saturday. > _______________________________________________ Uhh... One more option put on there: Would like to but the above prices are out of my range??? From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Thu Apr 5 08:45:34 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux on Sparc5.. In-Reply-To: <3ACBD726.724E01D7@mttcc.com>; from mthoren@mttcc.com on Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 09:23:34PM -0500 References: <3ACB763F.8DD989C4@mttcc.com> <20010404145114.I1202@real-time.com> <20010404151535.A57355@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <986420137.3acb93a921d35@dragon> <3ACBD726.724E01D7@mttcc.com> Message-ID: <20010405084533.A530@baker.space.umn.edu> On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 09:23:34PM -0500, Matt Thoren wrote: > Stupid question, but what would be the best way to go about removing solaris and > installing linux. Take a look at http://www.ultralinux.org/ for lots of general info on the Sparc Linux port. You don't have to do anything special to remove Solaris - just repartition your disk when installing Linux, like on a PC. > Is there a preferred distro? I use Debian on a Sparc IPX and I like it pretty well. My advice would be to first try whatever distro you're using on your pc (if its availavle for Sparc), since you'll already be familar with installation procedure, etc. -- Jim Crumley | crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | From clay at fandre.com Thu Apr 5 08:42:57 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Who wants a Z-Series? References: <3ACC6E82.E7D09A08@fandre.com> <3ACC7407.7B2499CD@mninter.net> Message-ID: <3ACC7661.1FD0B0F0@fandre.com> Shawn wrote: > > Clay Fandre wrote: > > > > Since many of you may have missed this in the DSL woes thread, here it > > is again. Go and vote!!! > > > > http://www.mn-linux.org/sympoll/polllist.php3?mypollid=10 > > > > It will be going up on the top-level TCLUG page Saturday. > > _______________________________________________ > > Uhh... One more option put on there: Would like to but the above prices > are out of my range??? > _______________________________________________ Good idea. Done. From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Thu Apr 5 08:48:31 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Who wants a Z-Series? In-Reply-To: <3ACC7407.7B2499CD@mninter.net>; from fertch@mninter.net on Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 08:32:55AM -0500 References: <3ACC6E82.E7D09A08@fandre.com> <3ACC7407.7B2499CD@mninter.net> Message-ID: <20010405084831.B530@baker.space.umn.edu> On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 08:32:55AM -0500, Shawn wrote: > Clay Fandre wrote: > > > > Since many of you may have missed this in the DSL woes thread, here it > > is again. Go and vote!!! > > > > http://www.mn-linux.org/sympoll/polllist.php3?mypollid=10 > > Uhh... One more option put on there: Would like to but the above prices > are out of my range??? Or even: Sounds cool, but I can't think of a way I'd use it that could justify the cost ;) . -- Jim Crumley | crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | From administrator at ltiflex.com Thu Apr 5 08:47:20 2001 From: administrator at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WIN98 References: <010404183625.2033c5de@dcmir.med.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3ACC7768.F54AED26@ltiflex.com> Make a Win98 boot disk, then the linux boot disks. Run defrag under 98. fips should be able to handle resizing the partition. Last time I installed Red Hat I think disk druid could handle it as well. Knowing my luck, Red Hat replaced Disk Druid with something else... Anyway, some distros include a version of Partition Magic if you buy their boxed set. You'll want to shrink the windows partition down and create a secondary partition with logical disks for linux. Good luck, have fun, etc, etc, etc... -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From moomonk at wolverine.timelords.org Thu Apr 5 08:55:40 2001 From: moomonk at wolverine.timelords.org (Joshua Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Modeline generation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I don't suppose you've read that HOWTO on doing modelines manually? The one that specifically calls it black magic? I've been able to get one of my laptops running by loosely following that doc. (no, I don't recall exactly which X HOWTO that was. There aren't *that* many) Josh Jore ___SIG___ On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Yaron wrote: > Hi, > > Ok, I'm annoyed now (: > > I got a 21" monitor that can do 1600x1200@76. but X won't see it. I can't > seem to be able to generate modelines for it. I found a website that does > it but the modelines it generated didn't work (screen was shifted to the > middle and colours are off). I used to use kvideogen, but I don't have the > binary anymore and it won't compile with KDE2. Nor run probably if I had > the binary. > > Anyone have some advice? I don't want to do 1280x1024! > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From clay at fandre.com Thu Apr 5 08:55:49 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Who wants a Z-Series? References: <3ACC6E82.E7D09A08@fandre.com> <3ACC7407.7B2499CD@mninter.net> <20010405084831.B530@baker.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3ACC7965.D3A9A3D3@fandre.com> Jim Crumley wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 08:32:55AM -0500, Shawn wrote: > > Clay Fandre wrote: > > > > > > Since many of you may have missed this in the DSL woes thread, here it > > > is again. Go and vote!!! > > > > > > http://www.mn-linux.org/sympoll/polllist.php3?mypollid=10 > > > > Uhh... One more option put on there: Would like to but the above prices > > are out of my range??? > > Or even: Sounds cool, but I can't think of a way I'd use it that > could justify the cost ;) . > Is that your final answer? From moomonk at wolverine.timelords.org Thu Apr 5 08:57:57 2001 From: moomonk at wolverine.timelords.org (Joshua Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WIN98 In-Reply-To: <016a01c0bd66$face1ea0$0200000a@charizard> Message-ID: For what it's worth, make sure to use a recent enough distro. Lilo was updated to support EDD (that's the right acro isn't it?) and do booting to cylindars greater than 1024. I seem to recall that of my stack of RH cds, not all of them had a new enough lilo. Josh Jore ___SIG___ On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Doug Hanson wrote: > Ed, > > If you use Fdisk it will remove the partition and blow away windows (gee > bummer!!). To separate it cleanly, use a utility such as partition magic. > Then install Linux to the new partition. LILO will handle the dual boot of > the 2 OS's. If you want to do it cleanly, buy another hard drive. With > today's prices on drives, $100.00 will buy you 20-30GB worth of Linux > bliss.... Check the RedHat site for supported hardware! > > Doug > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 6:36 PM > Subject: [TCLUG] WIN98 > > > > Hi > > > > I have a prof that would like me to install RH on his machine and I'm > hoping > > some of you guru types can point out the pitfalls before I fall into them > as > > I'd rather get this one right the first time and not have him breathing > down my > > neck while recovering from all the stupid mistakes I'm sure I'll make. > > > > The box is a Dell Dimension XPS P800R running Win98. It says family 6, so > I > > assume this means a 686 PIII. Nvidia GeForce 256 AGP and a P1110 monitor. > > there's only 1 disk on it (Maxtor 5 4098H8) with one partition on that -- > 36G. > > > > As I'm sure you can tell, I'm learning Windows slowly (as possible!) as > I've > > managed to avoid it for quite a while. All the machines that I've > installed > > onto so far have been NT with 2 separate disks on which I managed to keep > the 2 > > OS's at the front of the 2 disks. The first problem I see is the > repartitioning > > of the disk. Fdisk I assume, but what will this do to the OS? Reinstall I > > suppose. > > > > Thanks for any help you can offer. > > > > Ed Hoeffner > > 1-271 BSBE > > 312 Church St. SE > > Mpls, MN 55455 > > hoeffner@dcmir.med.umn.edu > > 612-625-2115 > > 612-625-2163 fax > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Apr 5 09:19:01 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Modeline generation In-Reply-To: <3ACC4EF1.DBD5BF28@fandre.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Clay Fandre wrote: > Are you running XFree86 4? If so, run XFree86 -configure. I did that and > it gave me the best resolution possible. (1800x1400 or something like > that) X never ceases (sp?!) to amaze me. It actually was refusing to do 1600x1200 - that mode was not listed in the list of modes it probed. Plus with the nvidia drivers you have to tell it to ignore EDID info or it REALLY messes up. The way I got it to work... ok, I _removed_ all the modelines, told it to IGNORE EDID, and forgot to remove "1600x1200" from the SCREEN section... and then it just worked. -Yaron -- From blayer at qwest.net Tue Apr 3 15:16:15 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Win98 & Duron (OT?) In-Reply-To: <3ACC7768.F54AED26@ltiflex.com> References: <010404183625.2033c5de@dcmir.med.umn.edu> <3ACC7768.F54AED26@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <20010403151615.1264dac4.blayer@qwest.net> Discussions of MS OS are not entriely off-topic - in my mind they fall under "reconissance" :) Anyway, I've got a Duron 700 @ 850, Linux 2.2 / 2.4 is super-duper stable on this box, but I decided to make a small Win98SE install, to allow the use of some equipment with Windows-only USB drivers. Sadly, VMware has no USB support as of yet. This machine does not like 98, it locked up several times in install, and on the first boot. Is there a known issue with Duron & 98SE? Bill From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Apr 5 09:33:49 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] S/390 Pipe Dream Thread (was DSL thread) In-Reply-To: <20010405014312.D6647@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 01:43:12AM -0500 References: <20010404150344.K1202@real-time.com> <20010405014312.D6647@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010405093349.B945@hermes.sistina.com> On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 01:43:12AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: >Quoting andy@theasis.com (andy@theasis.com): >> > Quoting Andrew Nemchenko (drew@usfamily.net): >> > > A great Idea but how do we go about achieving this with out spending too much >> > > money? >> > >> > You get every single tclug member to commit to having a vm-linux and >> > pay some monthly fee for it. :-) I fail to see how it could be cost effective. Wouldn't it be cheaper for and easier for real-time to provide the pipe and the rack space for a few dozen SMP intel boxes all setup with virtual domains. I think the luggers would save money by doing it this way. >> >> Since "every single" is not really practical, can you give ballpark of >> total costs that need to be recovered initially/monthly, and maybe >> napkin-figurings like "we can cover costs with 20 people paying >> about $XX/month"? > >Well, I want "ever single" computer to run linux too.... > >Let Clay get the poll up. Let me finish my Linux conference presentations (yes, >more then 1) and then I can put up some numbers. > >-- >Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 >http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 >Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) $chown -R us.us yourbase -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It may still accept them, but I'm not sure that they are required or that it's even a good idea to force X into them. Just my $.02 > > >-Yaron > >-- > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Thomas J. Hudak Systems Administrator Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com Phone: 612.379.3951 Page: 612.318.1967 Fax: 612.379.3952 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010405/714f8010/attachment.pgp From kent at structural-wood.com Thu Apr 5 09:51:42 2001 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Modeline generation References: Message-ID: <3ACC867E.3855495E@structural-wood.com> Yaron wrote: > > Hi, > > On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > Are you running XFree86 4? If so, run XFree86 -configure. I did that and > > it gave me the best resolution possible. (1800x1400 or something like > > that) > > X never ceases (sp?!) to amaze me. > > It actually was refusing to do 1600x1200 - that mode was not listed in the > list of modes it probed. Plus with the nvidia drivers you have to tell it > to ignore EDID info or it REALLY messes up. > > The way I got it to work... ok, I _removed_ all the modelines, told it to > IGNORE EDID, and forgot to remove "1600x1200" from the SCREEN section... > and then it just worked. > > -Yaron > On the other hand... I've got a GeForce2 mx nvidia card and a very new monitor, and I am able to type almost any 'normal' resolution into the "Screen/Display" subsection and X will display it (i.e. 1280x1024, 1600x1200, 2000x1800). No modelines needed. I'm pretty sure I'm not ignoring EDID. I also often find X amazing... From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Apr 5 09:55:35 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes In-Reply-To: <3ACC6EEE.D86F4DF1@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 08:11:10AM -0500 References: <3ACB300B.6E1E9F93@fandre.com> <20010404110158.G27318@real-time.com> <3ACC6EEE.D86F4DF1@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20010405095535.I5991@ringworld.org> * Clay Fandre [010405 08:19]: > It's not only the distance, but my neigherhood is on a DLC. Anyone know > if Qwest has a work-around for it yet? 144k IDSL perhaps? :) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@efnet So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(: -Yaron -- From clay at fandre.com Thu Apr 5 10:07:17 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes References: <3ACB300B.6E1E9F93@fandre.com> <20010404110158.G27318@real-time.com> <3ACC6EEE.D86F4DF1@fandre.com> <20010405095535.I5991@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <3ACC8A25.9B89B74B@fandre.com> Scott Dier wrote: > > * Clay Fandre [010405 08:19]: > > It's not only the distance, but my neigherhood is on a DLC. Anyone know > > if Qwest has a work-around for it yet? > > 144k IDSL perhaps? :) That's what I currently have through PhoenixDSL/MegaPath/Telocity. Problem is Northpoint/Rhythms are the only ones with equipment in the CO. What am I suppose to do when they go under? Plus 144k sucks rocks. From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Apr 5 10:15:18 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Modeline generation In-Reply-To: <3ACC867E.3855495E@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Kent Schumacher wrote: > I've got a GeForce2 mx nvidia card and a very new monitor, and I am able to > type almost any 'normal' resolution into the "Screen/Display" > subsection and X will display it (i.e. 1280x1024, 1600x1200, 2000x1800). > No modelines needed. I'm pretty sure I'm not ignoring EDID. 200x1800, eh? *droool* MUST RESTART X... MUST RESTART X... Damn, I'm in mid-download. I'll have to try later... -Yaron -- From dhanson2 at uswest.net Thu Apr 5 10:12:55 2001 From: dhanson2 at uswest.net (Doug Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Win98 & Duron (OT?) References: <010404183625.2033c5de@dcmir.med.umn.edu><3ACC7768.F54AED26@ltiflex.com> <20010403151615.1264dac4.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <008701c0bde2$e4ec64d0$eaaf7a81@doug> Bill, I have a Duron 700 @ 950 under Windoze ME and is stable. Try upping your Vcore to 1.8 to 1.85v, that should increase your stability. Watch the temp though, it will get hot. If you are OC'ing the chip, I would assume that you have a quality heat sink and fan or it's bye bye Duron... I would also drop your chip to the stock 700Mhz for the Windoze installation just to get it done... Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Layer" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 3:16 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Win98 & Duron (OT?) > Discussions of MS OS are not entriely off-topic - in my mind they fall under "reconissance" :) > > Anyway, I've got a Duron 700 @ 850, Linux 2.2 / 2.4 is super-duper stable on this box, but I decided to make a small Win98SE install, to allow the use of some equipment with Windows-only USB drivers. Sadly, VMware has no USB support as of yet. > > This machine does not like 98, it locked up several times in install, and on the first boot. Is there a known issue with Duron & 98SE? > > Bill > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From andy at theasis.com Thu Apr 5 10:33:35 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] S/390 Pipe Dream Thread (was DSL thread) In-Reply-To: <20010405093349.B945@hermes.sistina.com> Message-ID: > >> > You get every single tclug member to commit to having a vm-linux and > >> > pay some monthly fee for it. :-) > > I fail to see how it could be cost effective. Wouldn't it be cheaper for and > easier for real-time to provide the pipe and the rack space for a few dozen > SMP intel boxes all setup with virtual domains. I think the luggers would save > money by doing it this way. So that means also figuring the cost curves (against amount of participation) for a special members' price for colocation at Real-Time, perhaps using only LUG-sanctioned hardware in order to be efficient WRT rack space. Regardless of which (if either) hardware option turns out to work, there's still also a need to come up with policies on common resources -- mainly bandwidth, but also physical access, and probably some things I haven't thought of. It still seems that a coop colocation option is viable and maybe even in Real-Time's economic interest, but we should look at the whole picture. Andy > Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 > >-- > >Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 From jeffr at odeon.net Thu Apr 5 10:40:49 2001 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes - and rambling (S/390, wireless, coop co-lo) In-Reply-To: <20010404142700.G1202@real-time.com> Message-ID: Really, I like the idea Scott Dier had more than a Z-Series with multiple virtual linux 'boxes'. This may be because I missed the meeting and don't fully understand the capabilities (although I did grab the meeting notes and am reading through them). Or if the baldeagle.com people would let you run a small server or two (which their acceptable use policy on their website prohibits), then that might be an option. From what I've heard on the list most of us run a small server or two, and want to be able to continue to do so. Ultimately, that's why I'm interested in having high-speed internet access. Surfing can be fun, but ultimately I get more enjoyment out of running a web/mail server for family and friends, doing my own DNS, server maintenance, backups, etc. I learn a lot more too. Currently I've got DSL service from QWest. It stinks. I could go with a different DSL provider, but they appear to be having problems too. I could go with a different ISP but keep the line from QWest, but most of the problems I've had with QWest were line related, so that may not help either. Also, most of the other ISPs that I've looked at (1/2 a dozen or so) have a policy that says no servers. If I could afford 'real' bandwidth (frame relay, T1, etc.) then it really wouldn't be an issue. I can afford maybe $150/month at most for high-speed internet, which won't get any of the above. Even a dual-channel BRI with unlimited usage costs more than that, for significantly less bandwidth than DSL or cable. Co-location might be possible, but my (limited) research indicates that decent co-lo starts at about $200/month (and that's per machine, or per network port), and then I'd need to spend another $35+/month for internet from home (2nd phone line with dial-up would cost that much, or cable or cheaper DSL than I've got now). Some sort of coop co-lo space would be great, but could also be expensive unless you can get space near an ISP that can run ethernet to your coop closet for some fee (hopefully a lot less than paying for multiple T1s or an ATM connection or fibre). Twenty people paying $50/month would be $1000/month. Would that be enough? Not for physical space and even a single T1, but maybe for space and an ethernet connection to an ISP, or maybe space and a frame connection? Or maybe the S/390 virtual machines will let me do everything that I want, in which case that would be another option. Jeff On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Scott Dier (dieman+tclug@ringworld.org): > > Really, a bunch of you should someday get together, get some space near > > an isp (secure 'closet' room in same building), and get an ethernet drop > > and split the costs. :) > > > > Put all your machines there, allow for 24 hour access for 'trusted' > > people, make everyone log their time there, only allow people that you > > trust and set it up in such a way that its just enthusasits like us and > > not some businesses rapeing the benefits. > > > > Theres a lot more to it than that, but it would be a neat project > > someday, a geek co-op colo service. > > Better idea. Convince Real Time to get a Z-Series (formally S390) and tell them > to hand out virtual-linux "boxes" to everyone to do with whatever they want. > > From fertch at mninter.net Thu Apr 5 10:51:35 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes References: <3ACB300B.6E1E9F93@fandre.com> <20010404110158.G27318@real-time.com> <3ACC6EEE.D86F4DF1@fandre.com> <20010405095535.I5991@ringworld.org> <3ACC8A25.9B89B74B@fandre.com> Message-ID: <3ACC9487.180DF6AA@mninter.net> Clay Fandre wrote: > > That's what I currently have through PhoenixDSL/MegaPath/Telocity. > Problem is Northpoint/Rhythms are the only ones with equipment in the > CO. What am I suppose to do when they go under? > > Plus 144k sucks rocks. What about petitioning the local phone company to buy it? Unless they're waiting for it to happen so they "acquire" the hardware at no cost, or very little. If you think 144k sucks rocks, what would you think either 49,333 or 115,200 does? Granted I like my 128k connection but I don't agree with the $120 a month fee for it as it's a rather bad $ for k investment... Shawn From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Apr 5 11:21:27 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Building RPMs passing things to make? In-Reply-To: <20010404105000.B27318@real-time.com> References: <20010330134920.J19975@real-time.com> <20010404105000.B27318@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010405112127.60324971.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Bob Tanner wrote: > > That will work if you want to unpack the SRPMS, but I'd like to be able > to rpm --rebuild blah.src.rpm and somehow pass it the "-j 2". Did you try setting MAKEFLAGS? MAKEFLAGS='-j 2' rpm --rebuild blah.src.rpm -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ 1200 bps used to seem so / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ fast \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From clay at fandre.com Thu Apr 5 11:37:17 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cassiopeia <-> Linux Message-ID: <3ACC9F3D.FF2ADFA3@fandre.com> Anyone know how to connect/sync Linux with a Casio Cassiopeia? The cradel is USB, but it also has infrared. From veldy at veldy.net Thu Apr 5 11:39:16 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Building RPMs passing things to make? References: <20010330134920.J19975@real-time.com> <20010404105000.B27318@real-time.com> <20010405112127.60324971.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <017301c0bdee$f4b320a0$3028680a@tgt.com> I could be wrong, but I believe you can put that option in your /etc/rpmrc file to make it apply to ALL builds. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Hicks" To: Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 11:21 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Building RPMs passing things to make? > Bob Tanner wrote: > > > > That will work if you want to unpack the SRPMS, but I'd like to be able > > to rpm --rebuild blah.src.rpm and somehow pass it the "-j 2". > > Did you try setting MAKEFLAGS? > > MAKEFLAGS='-j 2' rpm --rebuild blah.src.rpm > > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ 1200 bps used to seem so > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ fast > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From thudak at sistina.com Thu Apr 5 11:56:28 2001 From: thudak at sistina.com (Tom Hudak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Changes my public key, here's the new one. Message-ID: <20010405115628.B8217@localhost> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-keys Size: 1745 bytes Desc: PGP Key 0x380D523E. Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010405/91ea1320/attachment.key -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010405/91ea1320/attachment.pgp From tanner at real-time.com Thu Apr 5 12:14:04 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Z-Series thread In-Reply-To: <0GBB00FDGM67S9@mail1.supervalu.com>; from Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com on Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 08:14:54AM -0500 References: <0GBB00FDGM67S9@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: <20010405121404.A18246@real-time.com> Ok, I guess I'll do some quick numbers.... Quoting Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com): > I've never understood why people are so damned fascinated with > Linux on the S/390. I get to work on SuSE/390, and it really isn't that > impressive. The box isn't any more responsive than the Linux PC on > my desk. Sure, you can put lots of them on one box - but if you're wanting > to actually save money, you're better off buying small boxes. Or, buying > a higher end Sun box and just intelligently administrating it. I have to disagree. Let's say you can runn 4,000 instance of linux on 1 Z-Series. That is 1 electrical run. 1 large UPS. 1 port on a switch. 1 rack. 10 sq feet of space to house it. Put what you think it cost here to just get the hardware. Lets go 4,000 PCs. I'll make some round numbers. $1000 for each PC. Using 24 port manageable switches you'll need 167 switches. You'll need 4,167 power runs. Let's live on the wild side and go with 1 ups for every 2 devices, so you'd need 2084 UPSs. I don't know how many racks. And the space will be several hundred sq feet. 4000 PC * 1000 = 4,000,000 167 switches * 3000 = 501,000 2084 UPS * 600 = 1,250,400 ================== ========= TOTAL 5,751,400 Plus whatever the racks will cost. PLUS the re-occurring and the monthly fee for the space. Throw in that you'd have to buy a new box, new port on a switch half a UPS for each new user. You have a start up cost of a min of $1425/per user ($1000 for pc, $125 for switch port, $300 for UPS). Again, not counting the rack space, cost of physical space or utilities. Let's say everyone is willing to pay $100/month, it will takes 15 months just to re-coup your hard investement (and you still have all your other operating expenses). Add to all of this the admin chores. Think about trying to backup 4000 PCs. Think about how you'll monitor all of this. Most of us are admins here and we can fill in the blanks. YES, there is probably cheaper PCs and there a cheaper switches and you can spread the UPS even further. Half the cost of everything. IT'S STILL ~2.5 million. Ok, I left out the Z-series costs. Why? Because I don't really know what it will cost. I don't want to yank IBMs chain on getting a quote until after the poll and I see if there is an opportunity and interest out there for this. More on this later... From tanner at real-time.com Thu Apr 5 12:19:50 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] S/390 Pipe Dream Thread (was DSL thread) In-Reply-To: <20010405093349.B945@hermes.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 09:33:49AM -0500 References: <20010404150344.K1202@real-time.com> <20010405014312.D6647@real-time.com> <20010405093349.B945@hermes.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010405121950.D18246@real-time.com> Quoting Ben Lutgens (blutgens@sistina.com): > >> > You get every single tclug member to commit to having a vm-linux and > >> > pay some monthly fee for it. :-) > > I fail to see how it could be cost effective. Wouldn't it be cheaper for and > easier for real-time to provide the pipe and the rack space for a few dozen > SMP intel boxes all setup with virtual domains. I think the luggers would save > money by doing it this way. What software would you recommend for running the virtual domains? See my previous post on some number for lots of little boxes. I think I forgot to mention that Real Time would also be using the Z box for it's own purposes as well. VM'd web sites, etc... -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Thu Apr 5 12:47:07 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Z-Series thread In-Reply-To: <20010405121404.A18246@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > Let's live on the wild side and go with 1 ups for every 2 devices, so > you'd need 2084 UPSs. Or, one *really* big one. How 'bout a cogenerating colocation facility? Phil M -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Thu Apr 5 13:11:12 2001 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Z-Series thread Message-ID: <0GBB00LCFZX7C1@mail1.supervalu.com> Well, according to the mainframe folks here: You're going to be looking at around $1,000,000 or so for a 3000MIPS box with 30GB of memory or so. You'll likely be able to run about 500 active Linuxes on that box. This certainly isn't a bad deal when you are crunched for space, but those 4000 boxes are going to run you about $8,000,000. Once you're at that size, though, there may be some significant advantages to running it on a few MFs. Also, a couple things you're forgetting; 1) You'll be writing out a monthly check to IBM for support of these things. 2) To really acheive real mainframe reliability, you need to be running 2 (at minimum) or 4 (better) mainframes in a sysplex setup. These are "average use" Linux boxes - but if we're talking about people who want to run big Oracle databases on these boxes, you're going to be cutting into the number of Linuxes/Mainframe. - Nick Reinking tanner@real-time.com, on 04/05/2001 12:14:04 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF cc: Subject: [TCLUG] Z-Series thread Ok, I guess I'll do some quick numbers.... Quoting Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com): > I've never understood why people are so damned fascinated with > Linux on the S/390. I get to work on SuSE/390, and it really isn't that > impressive. The box isn't any more responsive than the Linux PC on > my desk. Sure, you can put lots of them on one box - but if you're wanting > to actually save money, you're better off buying small boxes. Or, buying > a higher end Sun box and just intelligently administrating it. I have to disagree. Let's say you can runn 4,000 instance of linux on 1 Z-Series. That is 1 electrical run. 1 large UPS. 1 port on a switch. 1 rack. 10 sq feet of space to house it. Put what you think it cost here to just get the hardware. Lets go 4,000 PCs. I'll make some round numbers. $1000 for each PC. Using 24 port manageable switches you'll need 167 switches. You'll need 4,167 power runs. Let's live on the wild side and go with 1 ups for every 2 devices, so you'd need 2084 UPSs. I don't know how many racks. And the space will be several hundred sq feet. 4000 PC * 1000 = 4,000,000 167 switches * 3000 = 501,000 2084 UPS * 600 = 1,250,400 ================== ========= TOTAL 5,751,400 Plus whatever the racks will cost. PLUS the re-occurring and the monthly fee for the space. Throw in that you'd have to buy a new box, new port on a switch half a UPS for each new user. You have a start up cost of a min of $1425/per user ($1000 for pc, $125 for switch port, $300 for UPS). Again, not counting the rack space, cost of physical space or utilities. Let's say everyone is willing to pay $100/month, it will takes 15 months just to re-coup your hard investement (and you still have all your other operating expenses). Add to all of this the admin chores. Think about trying to backup 4000 PCs. Think about how you'll monitor all of this. Most of us are admins here and we can fill in the blanks. YES, there is probably cheaper PCs and there a cheaper switches and you can spread the UPS even further. Half the cost of everything. IT'S STILL ~2.5 million. Ok, I left out the Z-series costs. Why? Because I don't really know what it will cost. I don't want to yank IBMs chain on getting a quote until after the poll and I see if there is an opportunity and interest out there for this. More on this later... _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Apr 5 13:29:57 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Z-Series thread In-Reply-To: <20010405121404.A18246@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 12:14:04PM -0500 References: <0GBB00FDGM67S9@mail1.supervalu.com> <20010405121404.A18246@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010405132957.B21670@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [010405 12:25]: > Ok, I left out the Z-series costs. Why? Because I don't really know what it will > cost. I don't want to yank IBMs chain on getting a quote until after the poll > and I see if there is an opportunity and interest out there for this. AFAIK, low end zseries is about 1,200,000. http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/linuxconfig/ -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010405/478f4f2c/attachment.pgp From atebbe at real-time.com Thu Apr 5 13:45:45 2001 From: atebbe at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Z-Series thread In-Reply-To: <20010405132957.B21670@ringworld.org>; from dieman+tclug@ringworld.org on Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 01:29:57PM -0500 References: <0GBB00FDGM67S9@mail1.supervalu.com> <20010405121404.A18246@real-time.com> <20010405132957.B21670@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010405134545.F32189@real-time.com> On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 01:29:57PM -0500, Scott Dier (dieman+tclug@ringworld.org) wrote: > * Bob Tanner [010405 12:25]: > > Ok, I left out the Z-series costs. Why? Because I don't really know what it will > > cost. I don't want to yank IBMs chain on getting a quote until after the poll > > and I see if there is an opportunity and interest out there for this. > > AFAIK, low end zseries is about 1,200,000. > > http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/linuxconfig/ I believe Steven Lograine (S/390 speaker) said you can get used entry-level one for $350,000. I don't recall if that included disk. -- Amy Tanner Voice: 952.943.8700 Real Time Enterprises, Inc. Fax: 952.943.8500 amy@real-time.com http://www.real-time.com GPG Fingerprint: DAC7 E1B2 80D9 3099 1A20 0817 2DFE 5086 81B3 5466 From chrome at real-time.com Thu Apr 5 13:49:21 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:42 2005 Subject: S/390 (was: Re: [TCLUG] DSL woes) In-Reply-To: <20010404154902.R1202@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 03:49:02PM -0500 References: <3ACB300B.6E1E9F93@fandre.com> <20010404092839.A14521@mn.rr.com> <016c01c0bd36$a3ff6000$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010404140409.W27270@ringworld.org> <20010404142700.G1202@real-time.com> <3AC9D475.10600233@usfamily.net> <20010404150344.K1202@real-time.com> <20010404151825.B57355@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <20010404154902.R1202@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010405134921.A24054@real-time.com> Bob overworks me so I don't have time to read TCLUG mail much anymore. ;> sorry about the slow reply to this. > Carl can jump in here, but from the presentation on the S390 it seems like there > is going to be a web(?) interface to the 390 so you just point-n-click. from what I heard, middle of last year; IBM's Virtual Image Facility for Linux (VIF) will be an idiot-administerable, crippled version of the VM operating system. it'll be administered through a linux virtual machine running a web interface. (sounds a bit reminiscent of the NetMax line of products). the main advantage of VIF over VM will be cost; it's only a one-time fee of $20,000 instead of $12,000/yr*(some factor involving processor power or number of processors). (those figures are highly approximate so don't sue me if I'm wrong). VIF doesn't give you all the capabilities of VM; like being able to stop virtual machines, examine or modify the live registers in them, then start them off again; or other advanced debugging and accounting features. However, it's cheap and cheerful; which have historically been good sellers; it just remains to be seen if it's cheap and cheerful *enough*. still, if Real-Time gets one of these things; I'm going to be first in line to learn how to hack on it (of course, Bob will be zeroth in line... RHIP). :) Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From tanner at real-time.com Thu Apr 5 14:05:29 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Z-Series thread In-Reply-To: ; from mend0070@tc.umn.edu on Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 12:47:07PM -0500 References: <20010405121404.A18246@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010405140529.B1209@real-time.com> Quoting Phil Mendelsohn (mend0070@tc.umn.edu): > > Let's live on the wild side and go with 1 ups for every 2 devices, so > > you'd need 2084 UPSs. > > Or, one *really* big one. How 'bout a cogenerating colocation facility? I found its cheaper to go with smaller ones per box. The really big ones take a 220 line and you to get a special line pulled. But, the point is a Z series runs on a standard 120 line and according to IBM draws about the same as high-end PC. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > Ok, I guess I'll do some quick numbers.... > > Quoting Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com): > > I've never understood why people are so damned fascinated with > > Linux on the S/390. I get to work on SuSE/390, and it really isn't that > > impressive. The box isn't any more responsive than the Linux PC on > > my desk. Sure, you can put lots of them on one box - but if you're wanting > > to actually save money, you're better off buying small boxes. Or, buying > > a higher end Sun box and just intelligently administrating it. > > I have to disagree. Let's say you can runn 4,000 instance of linux on 1 > Z-Series. That is 1 electrical run. 1 large UPS. 1 port on a switch. 1 rack. > 10 sq feet of space to house it. Put what you think it cost here to just get the > hardware. > > Lets go 4,000 PCs. I'll make some round numbers. $1000 for each PC. Using 24 > port manageable switches you'll need 167 switches. You'll need 4,167 power runs. > Let's live on the wild side and go with 1 ups for every 2 devices, so you'd need > 2084 UPSs. I don't know how many racks. And the space will be several hundred sq > feet. > > 4000 PC * 1000 = 4,000,000 > 167 switches * 3000 = 501,000 > 2084 UPS * 600 = 1,250,400 > ================== ========= > TOTAL 5,751,400 > > Plus whatever the racks will cost. > > PLUS the re-occurring and the monthly fee for the space. > > Throw in that you'd have to buy a new box, new port on a switch half a UPS for > each new user. You have a start up cost of a min of $1425/per user ($1000 for > pc, $125 for switch port, $300 for UPS). > > Again, not counting the rack space, cost of physical space or utilities. > > Let's say everyone is willing to pay $100/month, it will takes 15 months just to > re-coup your hard investement (and you still have all your other operating > expenses). > > Add to all of this the admin chores. Think about trying to backup 4000 PCs. > Think about how you'll monitor all of this. Most of us are admins here and we > can fill in the blanks. > > YES, there is probably cheaper PCs and there a cheaper switches and you can > spread the UPS even further. Half the cost of everything. IT'S STILL ~2.5 > million. > > Ok, I left out the Z-series costs. Why? Because I don't really know what it will > cost. I don't want to yank IBMs chain on getting a quote until after the poll > and I see if there is an opportunity and interest out there for this. > > More on this later... > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tanner at real-time.com Thu Apr 5 14:11:47 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Z-Series thread In-Reply-To: <0GBB00LCFZX7C1@mail1.supervalu.com>; from Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com on Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 01:11:12PM -0500 References: <0GBB00LCFZX7C1@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: <20010405141147.D1209@real-time.com> Quoting Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com): > Well, according to the mainframe folks here: > > You're going to be looking at around $1,000,000 or so for a 3000MIPS > box with 30GB of memory or so. You'll likely be able to run about 500 > active Linuxes on that box. This certainly isn't a bad deal when you are > crunched for space, but those 4000 boxes are going to run you about > $8,000,000. Once you're at that size, though, there may be some significant > advantages to running it on a few MFs. Also, a couple things you're > forgetting; According to the 390 presentation, the sales guy made it sound like the 1mil dollar box was able to support the 4000 instances. Maybe I heard wrong. Anyone else at that meeting get that impression? > 1) You'll be writing out a monthly check to IBM for support of these things. For what? The presenter made it sound like if you just bought VM and the Linux VM stuff that was it for cost. They have special pricing for Linux instances. > 2) To really acheive real mainframe reliability, you need to be running 2 (at > minimum) or 4 (better) mainframes in a sysplex setup. As I said before. Pipe dream. I have not done any pricing models yet. And of course, I was just going on what the sales guy presented, which is always going to be rosey colored. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On Thu, 5 Apr 2001 Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > Well, according to the mainframe folks here: > > You're going to be looking at around $1,000,000 or so for a 3000MIPS > box with 30GB of memory or so. You'll likely be able to run about 500 > active Linuxes on that box. This certainly isn't a bad deal when you are > crunched for space, but those 4000 boxes are going to run you about > $8,000,000. Once you're at that size, though, there may be some significant > advantages to running it on a few MFs. Also, a couple things you're > forgetting; > > 1) You'll be writing out a monthly check to IBM for support of these things. > 2) To really acheive real mainframe reliability, you need to be running 2 (at > minimum) > or 4 (better) mainframes in a sysplex setup. > > These are "average use" Linux boxes - but if we're talking about people who > want to run big Oracle databases on these boxes, you're going to be cutting > into the number of Linuxes/Mainframe. > > - Nick Reinking > > > > > > tanner@real-time.com, on 04/05/2001 12:14:04 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF > cc: > Subject: [TCLUG] Z-Series thread > > Ok, I guess I'll do some quick numbers.... > > Quoting Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com): > > I've never understood why people are so damned fascinated with > > Linux on the S/390. I get to work on SuSE/390, and it really isn't that > > impressive. The box isn't any more responsive than the Linux PC on > > my desk. Sure, you can put lots of them on one box - but if you're wanting > > to actually save money, you're better off buying small boxes. Or, buying > > a higher end Sun box and just intelligently administrating it. > > I have to disagree. Let's say you can runn 4,000 instance of linux on 1 > Z-Series. That is 1 electrical run. 1 large UPS. 1 port on a switch. 1 rack. > 10 sq feet of space to house it. Put what you think it cost here to just get the > hardware. > > Lets go 4,000 PCs. I'll make some round numbers. $1000 for each PC. Using 24 > port manageable switches you'll need 167 switches. You'll need 4,167 power runs. > Let's live on the wild side and go with 1 ups for every 2 devices, so you'd need > 2084 UPSs. I don't know how many racks. And the space will be several hundred sq > feet. > > 4000 PC * 1000 = 4,000,000 > 167 switches * 3000 = 501,000 > 2084 UPS * 600 = 1,250,400 > ================== ========= > TOTAL 5,751,400 > > Plus whatever the racks will cost. > > PLUS the re-occurring and the monthly fee for the space. > > Throw in that you'd have to buy a new box, new port on a switch half a UPS for > each new user. You have a start up cost of a min of $1425/per user ($1000 for > pc, $125 for switch port, $300 for UPS). > > Again, not counting the rack space, cost of physical space or utilities. > > Let's say everyone is willing to pay $100/month, it will takes 15 months just to > re-coup your hard investement (and you still have all your other operating > expenses). > > Add to all of this the admin chores. Think about trying to backup 4000 PCs. > Think about how you'll monitor all of this. Most of us are admins here and we > can fill in the blanks. > > YES, there is probably cheaper PCs and there a cheaper switches and you can > spread the UPS even further. Half the cost of everything. IT'S STILL ~2.5 > million. > > Ok, I left out the Z-series costs. Why? Because I don't really know what it will > cost. I don't want to yank IBMs chain on getting a quote until after the poll > and I see if there is an opportunity and interest out there for this. > > More on this later... > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > From atebbe at real-time.com Thu Apr 5 14:14:49 2001 From: atebbe at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Wanted: Speaker for 4/18 Meeting Message-ID: <20010405141449.M32189@real-time.com> I'm currently looking for a speaker for the 4/18 7-9pm meeting. If anyone is willing and available, please let me know. Thank you. -- Amy Tanner Voice: 952.943.8700 Real Time Enterprises, Inc. Fax: 952.943.8500 amy@real-time.com http://www.real-time.com GPG Fingerprint: DAC7 E1B2 80D9 3099 1A20 0817 2DFE 5086 81B3 5466 From chrome at real-time.com Thu Apr 5 14:16:54 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Z-Series thread In-Reply-To: <20010405132957.B21670@ringworld.org>; from dieman+tclug@ringworld.org on Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 01:29:57PM -0500 References: <0GBB00FDGM67S9@mail1.supervalu.com> <20010405121404.A18246@real-time.com> <20010405132957.B21670@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010405141654.B24054@real-time.com> > AFAIK, low end zseries is about 1,200,000. > > http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/linuxconfig/ mind you, that's a brand-new z900; including a year of support. if you get a used Multiprise 3000; I hear they can be had for a few hundred thousand. mind you; you'll still need the support contract, and a disk array for it. (I think they come with only 3 SCSI disks). Disk arrays for those things are not cheap, mind you. You could probably cobble together some sort of SAN arrangement; but even over GigE, you're really going to hurt the I/O performance of a 390; which is its main strength. Anyone know what a StorageTek, IBM, or EMC array for an S/390 costs? just for a couple hundred GB. (I think they're just ordinary fiber-attached arrays now). then of course, there's the cost of doing backups. (which actually might not be bad for only a couple hundred GB.) so yeah; they beat discrete boxes for cost, and beat just about anything else for I/O performance (which is what kills most webservers and dbase servers anyway); but you have to look at replacing a couple of racks of shiny new SPARCs, or a handful of racks of shiny new PCs before they become really cost-effective. of course, the bragging rights are what really make it worthwhile. :) Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Apr 5 14:22:01 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] S/390 Pipe Dream Thread (was DSL thread) In-Reply-To: <20010405121950.D18246@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 12:19:50PM -0500 References: <20010404150344.K1202@real-time.com> <20010405014312.D6647@real-time.com> <20010405093349.B945@hermes.sistina.com> <20010405121950.D18246@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010405142201.A4576@hermes.sistina.com> On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 12:19:50PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: >What software would you recommend for running the virtual domains? I am not thinking like OS/390's virtual domains, more application level (apache, qmail, etc) in order to use one box for many domains, I really doubt the people on the list are going to get thousands of hits an hour and a few intel boxes could handle nearly anything the hoobyists can throw at it. > >See my previous post on some number for lots of little boxes. > >I think I forgot to mention that Real Time would also be using the Z box for >it's own purposes as well. VM'd web sites, etc... Well, still is it worth that magnitude of cash? And are you planning on running linux or OS/390? You may want to contact the linux-390 gorup if you plan to use it in production..... (shakes in fear) I wouldn't do it. All your 390's are belong to IBM. You will be assimilated. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) $chown -R us.us yourbase -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Especially once the kernel gets a better scheduler for running as a VM, and isn't wasting processor interrupts just checking to see if there's anything to do. But like Nick said; if people are doing heavy dbase stuff, it'll hurt a bit more. the fact that figures vary so wildly from source to source; shows just how little *anyone* knows about running large numbers of virtual machines. I don't think there's more than a handful of people who really have much experience at this. Nick, how many virtual machines are you running, and under what load? what's your experience with their responsiveness? (mind you, I realize that what you're doing is radically different from what we're proposing here. you probably have a few machines at high load; whereas we're talking about many machines at low load). > For what? The presenter made it sound like if you just bought VM and the Linux > VM stuff that was it for cost. They have special pricing for Linux instances. hardware support. you don't buy a Cisco router without support; nor a Sun E4500. same difference here. :) > As I said before. Pipe dream. I have not done any pricing models yet. And of > course, I was just going on what the sales guy presented, which is always going > to be rosey colored. I spent about a year smoking that same pipe. I guess I finally rubbed off enough on Bob. :) Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From mend0070 at UMN.EDU Thu Apr 5 14:34:54 2001 From: mend0070 at UMN.EDU (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] S/390 Pipe Dream Thread (was DSL thread) Message-ID: <200104051934.OAA00451@www5> On 5 Apr 2001, Ben Lutgens wrote: > (shakes in fear) > > I wouldn't do it. All your 390's are belong to IBM. You will be assimilated. And any old timer, at least from DEC will tell you IBM stands for "It's Better Manually..." Phil M From chrome at real-time.com Thu Apr 5 15:03:08 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] S/390 Pipe Dream Thread (was DSL thread) In-Reply-To: <20010405093349.B945@hermes.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 09:33:49AM -0500 References: <20010404150344.K1202@real-time.com> <20010405014312.D6647@real-time.com> <20010405093349.B945@hermes.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010405150308.D24054@real-time.com> > I fail to see how it could be cost effective. Wouldn't it be cheaper for and > easier for real-time to provide the pipe and the rack space for a few dozen > SMP intel boxes all setup with virtual domains. I think the luggers would save > money by doing it this way. it's all a question of scalability. 2 racks will get you a couple dozen x86 machines; which each might support a good number of virtual machines (VMWare GSX), or lots of domains hosted there. that's enough for most people's needs. but if you want to host a *lot* of actual virtual machines (which some people really want); and give them all kickass I/O; and share resources between them (so at any given moment, they have most of the power of the whole machine available); a mainframe makes sense. It's a niche machine; we have to admit that. it's just a matter of determining whether we fit that niche. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Thu Apr 5 15:06:36 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes In-Reply-To: <0GBB00FDGM67S9@mail1.supervalu.com>; from Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com on Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 08:14:54AM -0500 References: <0GBB00FDGM67S9@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: <20010405150636.E24054@real-time.com> > The box isn't any more responsive than the Linux PC on > my desk. but the fact that it's just that responsive for the other 10,000 people logged onto it, is what makes it *really* impressive. :) I've heard of S/390s running with 30,000 people logged in simultaneously; 10,000 of them active at any given moment, with sub-second response time. Just imagine the IRC server you could build on that. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Thu Apr 5 15:09:51 2001 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Z-Series thread Message-ID: <0GBC000H65DZ6F@mail1.supervalu.com> Well, we're only really experimenting with it here. This is an actual production box, so we're not going to play around seeing how many Linuxes we can get going. The biggest problem I could see is that it had a poor response time for CPU intensive tasks. While a 'bonnie' to do a byte-by-byte write would be mean to a normal machine, it was brutally slow on the S/390. For example, we have Linux in an LPAR w/ 1024MB of memory. This LPAR resided on a 6 CPU 1,271 MIPS partition w/ 18GB of memory. When doing normal "stuff", like code compiling, etc - it really was just about as fast as the PII-400 sitting on my desk. This is all subjective, of course. - Nick Reinking chrome@real-time.com, on 04/05/2001 02:34:09 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF cc: Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Z-Series thread > According to the 390 presentation, the sales guy made it sound like the 1mil > dollar box was able to support the 4000 instances. Bob, you know better than to take figures like that as being firm. :) FWIW; I think as long as people aren't doing ecommerce; 4000 virtual machines on a single $1M machine isn't unreasonable. Especially once the kernel gets a better scheduler for running as a VM, and isn't wasting processor interrupts just checking to see if there's anything to do. But like Nick said; if people are doing heavy dbase stuff, it'll hurt a bit more. the fact that figures vary so wildly from source to source; shows just how little *anyone* knows about running large numbers of virtual machines. I don't think there's more than a handful of people who really have much experience at this. Nick, how many virtual machines are you running, and under what load? what's your experience with their responsiveness? (mind you, I realize that what you're doing is radically different from what we're proposing here. you probably have a few machines at high load; whereas we're talking about many machines at low load). > For what? The presenter made it sound like if you just bought VM and the Linux > VM stuff that was it for cost. They have special pricing for Linux instances. hardware support. you don't buy a Cisco router without support; nor a Sun E4500. same difference here. :) > As I said before. Pipe dream. I have not done any pricing models yet. And of > course, I was just going on what the sales guy presented, which is always going > to be rosey colored. I spent about a year smoking that same pipe. I guess I finally rubbed off enough on Bob. :) Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From thefishyone at hotmail.com Thu Apr 5 15:12:40 2001 From: thefishyone at hotmail.com (Matt Waters) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WIN98 Message-ID: >From: HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu >Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >CC: HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu >Subject: [TCLUG] WIN98 >Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 18:36:25 -0500 > >Hi > >I have a prof that would like me to install RH on his machine and I'm >hoping >some of you guru types can point out the pitfalls before I fall into them >as >I'd rather get this one right the first time and not have him breathing >down my >neck while recovering from all the stupid mistakes I'm sure I'll make. > >The box is a Dell Dimension XPS P800R running Win98. It says family 6, so I >assume this means a 686 PIII. Nvidia GeForce 256 AGP and a P1110 monitor. >there's only 1 disk on it (Maxtor 5 4098H8) with one partition on that -- >36G. > >As I'm sure you can tell, I'm learning Windows slowly (as possible!) as >I've >managed to avoid it for quite a while. All the machines that I've installed >onto so far have been NT with 2 separate disks on which I managed to keep >the 2 >OS's at the front of the 2 disks. The first problem I see is the >repartitioning >of the disk. Fdisk I assume, but what will this do to the OS? Reinstall I >suppose. > >Thanks for any help you can offer. > >Ed Hoeffner >1-271 BSBE >312 Church St. SE >Mpls, MN 55455 >hoeffner@dcmir.med.umn.edu >612-625-2115 >612-625-2163 fax >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list I believe there is a DOS program called fips that you can use to rewrite the FAT and create a second partition without destroying Win98. Depending on what version of RH you're using, you can just use diskdruid to create the ext2 partitions. It's much easier than fdisk and still gets the job done. Your question wasn't entirely clear to me, so please pardon my infinite density if I didn't answer it. The Fishy One's Infinite Wisdom #28: "Life is anything that dies when you stomp on it." _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Apr 5 16:11:26 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WIN98 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Matt Waters wrote: > >OS's at the front of the 2 disks. The first problem I see is the > >repartitioning > >of the disk. Fdisk I assume, but what will this do to the OS? Reinstall I > >suppose. > > I believe there is a DOS program called fips that you can use to rewrite the > FAT and create a second partition without destroying Win98. Depending on Brian writes: Fips (last I checked) won't cut up Fat32 partitions. My suggestion would be to get your hands on a copy of Partition Magic and use that to carve up the drive. It even understands linux partitions. I would just resize the 36 GB partiton down to 30 or so and leave yourself a large chunk of unallocated space. Run the redhat install, partition out the unallocated space, and it'll install linux on it. The big problem you'll have with this is the large drive size... LILO has problems after cylinder 1023. Be sure when it asks you to create a boot disk you do that in case LILO pukes out. From ben at nerp.net Thu Apr 5 16:11:58 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Z-Series thread In-Reply-To: <20010405141147.D1209@real-time.com> Message-ID: > > 1) You'll be writing out a monthly check to IBM for support of these things. > > For what? The presenter made it sound like if you just bought VM and the Linux > VM stuff that was it for cost. They have special pricing for Linux instances. hardware maintence contracts.. these things don't comes with warrenty, you pay for that as you go. From ben at nerp.net Thu Apr 5 16:16:40 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Z-Series thread In-Reply-To: <0GBC000H65DZ6F@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: now, i thought the strenght of the S/390 was not to run linux in an LPAR, but to run VM in the LPAR, and run linux within the VM. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Thu, 5 Apr 2001 Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com wrote: > Well, we're only really experimenting with it here. This is an actual > production box, so we're not going to play around seeing how many > Linuxes we can get going. > > The biggest problem I could see is that it had a poor response time > for CPU intensive tasks. While a 'bonnie' to do a byte-by-byte write > would be mean to a normal machine, it was brutally slow on the S/390. > > For example, we have Linux in an LPAR w/ 1024MB of memory. This LPAR > resided on a 6 CPU 1,271 MIPS partition w/ 18GB of memory. When doing > normal "stuff", like code compiling, etc - it really was just about as fast as > the PII-400 sitting on my desk. This is all subjective, of course. > > - Nick Reinking > > > > > > chrome@real-time.com, on 04/05/2001 02:34:09 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF > cc: > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Z-Series thread > > > According to the 390 presentation, the sales guy made it sound like the 1mil > > dollar box was able to support the 4000 instances. > Bob, you know better than to take figures like that as being firm. > :) > FWIW; I think as long as people aren't doing ecommerce; 4000 virtual > machines on a single $1M machine isn't unreasonable. Especially once the > kernel gets a better scheduler for running as a VM, and isn't wasting > processor interrupts just checking to see if there's anything to do. > But like Nick said; if people are doing heavy dbase stuff, it'll > hurt a bit more. the fact that figures vary so wildly from source to source; > shows just how little *anyone* knows about running large numbers of virtual > machines. I don't think there's more than a handful of people who really > have much experience at this. > > Nick, how many virtual machines are you running, and under what > load? what's your experience with their responsiveness? (mind you, I realize > that what you're doing is radically different from what we're proposing > here. you probably have a few machines at high load; whereas we're talking > about many machines at low load). > > > For what? The presenter made it sound like if you just bought VM and the Linux > > VM stuff that was it for cost. They have special pricing for Linux instances. > hardware support. > you don't buy a Cisco router without support; nor a Sun E4500. same > difference here. :) > > > As I said before. Pipe dream. I have not done any pricing models yet. And of > > course, I was just going on what the sales guy presented, which is always > going > > to be rosey colored. > I spent about a year smoking that same pipe. I guess I finally > rubbed off enough on Bob. :) > > Carl Soderstrom. > -- > Network Engineer > Real-Time Enterprises > (952) 943-8700 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > From thefishyone at hotmail.com Thu Apr 5 16:24:08 2001 From: thefishyone at hotmail.com (Matt Waters) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WIN98 Message-ID: >From: Brian >Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >Subject: Re: [TCLUG] WIN98 >Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 16:11:26 -0500 (CDT) > >On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Matt Waters wrote: > > > >OS's at the front of the 2 disks. The first problem I see is the > > >repartitioning > > >of the disk. Fdisk I assume, but what will this do to the OS? Reinstall >I > > >suppose. > > > > I believe there is a DOS program called fips that you can use to rewrite >the > > FAT and create a second partition without destroying Win98. Depending on > >Brian writes: > >Fips (last I checked) won't cut up Fat32 partitions. My suggestion would >be to get your hands on a copy of Partition Magic and use that to carve up >the drive. It even understands linux partitions. I would just resize the >36 GB partiton down to 30 or so and leave yourself a large chunk of >unallocated space. Run the redhat install, partition out the unallocated >space, and it'll install linux on it. The big problem you'll have with >this is the large drive size... LILO has problems after cylinder 1023. Be >sure when it asks you to create a boot disk you do that in case LILO pukes >out. > > > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list fips handles fat32 partitions just fine. When I first put rh on my box last year, I was running Win98 with fat32 and fips worked great. The Fishy One's Infinite Wisdom #28: "Life is anything that dies when you stomp on it." _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From thudak at sistina.com Thu Apr 5 17:12:03 2001 From: thudak at sistina.com (Tom Hudak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Z-Series thread In-Reply-To: <20010405141147.D1209@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 02:11:47PM -0500 References: <0GBB00LCFZX7C1@mail1.supervalu.com> <20010405141147.D1209@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010405171203.C9859@localhost> On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 02:11:47PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: >According to the 390 presentation, the sales guy made it sound like the 1mil >dollar box was able to support the 4000 instances. Maybe I heard wrong. Anyone >else at that meeting get that impression? I've heard something like 11,000 vm's in a test enviroment, and high 3k range in a production enviroment. Thanks, -- Thomas J. Hudak Systems Administrator Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com Phone: 612.379.3951 Page: 612.318.1967 Fax: 612.379.3952 GPG Key - 380D523E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010405/8d47d0b1/attachment.pgp From wilson at visi.com Thu Apr 5 17:13:23 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apt-get dist-upgrade problem Message-ID: Hi everyone, In an effort to combat complacency, I'm upgrading one of my Debian boxes to unstable (sid). It's currently running testing (woody). Here's the output from apt-get dist-upgrade (following an apt-get update, of course) and a subsequent apt-get -f install. copland:/home/wilson# apt-get dist-upgrade Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these. Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: libgnome32: Depends: gnome-libs-data (>= 1.2.13-2) but 1.2.11-ximian.1 is installed libgnomesupport0: Depends: gnome-libs-data (>= 1.2.13-2) but 1.2.11-ximian.1 is installed libgnomeui32: Depends: gnome-libs-data (>= 1.2.13-2) but 1.2.11-ximian.1 is installed E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f. copland:/home/wilson# apt-get -f install Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done Correcting dependencies... Done The following extra packages will be installed: gnome-libs-data 1 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 392 not upgraded. 24 packages not fully installed or removed. Need to get 0B/305kB of archives. After unpacking 410kB will be freed. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] (Reading database ... 90082 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to replace gnome-libs-data 1.2.11-ximian.1 (using .../gnome-libs-data_1.2.13-2_all.deb) ... Unpacking replacement gnome-libs-data ... dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/gnome-libs-data_1.2.13-2_all.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/share/idl/name-service.idl', which is also in package libgnorba27 dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/gnome-libs-data_1.2.13-2_all.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) copland:/home/wilson# How should I solve this? -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ From jacque at fruitioninc.com Thu Apr 5 17:24:55 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] interesting article about open source vs M$ Message-ID: http://hotwired.lycos.com/webmonkey/01/12/index3a.html There's a few interesting observations in this article. Namely, that the problem with Microsoft is not its marketing tactics, but the fact that the company's products work *well enough*. ~j From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Apr 5 17:33:56 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apt-get dist-upgrade problem In-Reply-To: ; from wilson@visi.com on Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 05:13:23PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010405173356.E9203@wookimus.net> On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 05:13:23PM -0500, Timothy Wilson wrote: > Hi everyone, > > In an effort to combat complacency, I'm upgrading one of my Debian boxes to > unstable (sid). It's currently running testing (woody). Here's the output > from apt-get dist-upgrade (following an apt-get update, of course) and a > subsequent apt-get -f install. > > libgnome32: Depends: gnome-libs-data (>= 1.2.13-2) but 1.2.11-ximian.1 is > installed > libgnomesupport0: Depends: gnome-libs-data (>= 1.2.13-2) but > 1.2.11-ximian.1 is installed > libgnomeui32: Depends: gnome-libs-data (>= 1.2.13-2) but 1.2.11-ximian.1 > is installed > > How should I solve this? Remove all ximian and helix versioned packages. Reinstall from unstable. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010405/cdad21ff/attachment.pgp From chrome at real-time.com Thu Apr 5 17:40:42 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Z-Series thread In-Reply-To: <0GBC000H65DZ6F@mail1.supervalu.com>; from Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com on Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 03:09:51PM -0500 References: <0GBC000H65DZ6F@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: <20010405174042.E11099@real-time.com> > Well, we're only really experimenting with it here. This is an actual > production box, so we're not going to play around seeing how many > Linuxes we can get going. even most big companies don't have the resources for an S/390 just to 'play with. :) > The biggest problem I could see is that it had a poor response time > for CPU intensive tasks. While a 'bonnie' to do a byte-by-byte write > would be mean to a normal machine, it was brutally slow on the S/390. yeah. no one ever said they were good number-crunchers. :) how was the bonnie performance for big block reads/writes? from everything I hear, that's where they really shine; but even Alan Cox himself had a tough time getting hard figures when he asked the Linux/390 list. > For example, we have Linux in an LPAR w/ 1024MB of memory. This LPAR > resided on a 6 CPU 1,271 MIPS partition w/ 18GB of memory. I though LPAR == partition? Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From jim at bleedpurple.com Thu Apr 5 17:34:10 2001 From: jim at bleedpurple.com (Jim Herrick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Joke: Spread of Hoof and Mouth Disease (fwd) Message-ID: FOOT-AND-MOUTH BELIEVED TO BE FIRST VIRUS UNABLE TO SPREAD THROUGH MICROSOFT OUTLOOK Researchers Shocked to Finally Find Virus That Email App Doesn't Like Atlanta, Ga. (SatireWire.com) - Scientists at the Centers for Disease Control and Symantec's AntiVirus Research Center today confirmed that foot-and-mouth disease cannot be spread by Microsoft's Outlook email application, believed to be the first time the program has ever failed to propagate a major virus. "Frankly, we've never heard of a virus that couldn't spread through Microsoft Outlook, so our findings were, to say the least, unexpected," said Clive Sarnow, director of the CDC's infectious disease unit. The study was immediately hailed by British officials, who said it will save millions of pounds and thousands of man hours. "Up until now we have, quite naturally, assumed that both foot-and-mouth and mad cow were spread by Microsoft Outlook," said Nick Brown, Britain's Agriculture Minister. "By eliminating it, we can focus our resources elsewhere." However, researchers in the Netherlands, where foot-and-mouth has recently appeared, said they are not yet prepared to disqualify Outlook, which has been the progenitor of viruses such as "I Love You," "Bubbleboy," "Anna Kournikova," and "Naked Wife," to name but a few. Said Nils Overmars, director of the Molecular Virology Lab at Leiden University: "It's not that we don't trust the research, it's just that as scientists, we are trained to be skeptical of any finding that flies in the face of established truth. And this one flies in the face like a blind drunk sparrow." Executives at Microsoft, meanwhile, were equally skeptical, insisting that Outlook's patented Virus Transfer Protocol (VTP) has proven virtually pervious to any virus. The company, however, will issue a free VTP patch if it turns out the application is not vulnerable to foot-and-mouth. Such an admission would be embarrassing for the software giant, but Symantec virologist Ariel Kologne insisted that no one is more humiliated by the study than she is. "Only last week, I had a reporter ask if the foot-and-mouth virus spreads through Microsoft Outlook, and I told him, 'Doesn't everything?'" she recalled. "Who would've thought?" From jack at jacku.com Thu Apr 5 17:46:12 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes In-Reply-To: <0GBB00FDGM67S9@mail1.supervalu.com> References: <0GBB00FDGM67S9@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: <01040517461201.02160@geezer> I guess that's one way to look at it. I remember a story from earlier this year that announce the Swedish(?) company Telia replacing a large number (more than 50 but less than 100) Sun servers with a brand spanking new zSeries running Linux. They were going to provide web services for all 800,000 of their subscribers. (I think that's the number.) One quote that I heard about pricing these things was if the average cost of a rackmounted system, all pieces, was $1000 and a zSeries (S/390) could be had for $1,000,000. Then all you needed to do was run 1001 instances on your zSeries to be ahead of the game. I realize this is a simplistic arguement but it does get to the heart of the matter. Bob's other response to this e-mail with some rough numbers on the non-mainframe costs shows some of the other things that come into play. Jack On Thursday 05 April 2001 08:14, you wrote: > I've never understood why people are so damned fascinated with > Linux on the S/390. I get to work on SuSE/390, and it really isn't that > impressive. The box isn't any more responsive than the Linux PC on > my desk. Sure, you can put lots of them on one box - but if you're wanting > to actually save money, you're better off buying small boxes. Or, buying > a higher end Sun box and just intelligently administrating it. > > Grump. > > - Nick Reinking > > > > > > > dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu, on 04/05/2001 07:44:36 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF > cc: > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] DSL woes > > > > Who's going to admin an S390, though? Does Real Time have any > > > mainframe admins? > > > > Mainframe, Linux, NT is there a difference? :-) > > > > Carl can jump in here, but from the presentation on the S390 it seems > > like > > there > > > is going to be a web(?) interface to the 390 so you just point-n-click. > > Won't someone need to be experienced in OS/390 to partition the mainframe? > If there is a web interface, that's very cool, however. > > Gabe From labmat at mn.mediaone.net Thu Apr 5 18:36:45 2001 From: labmat at mn.mediaone.net (Matthew LaBerge) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Win98 & Duron (OT?) In-Reply-To: <008701c0bde2$e4ec64d0$eaaf7a81@doug> Message-ID: I have a Duron 600 that i have been running @ 950 for over 4 months, the only thing that keeps it alive is my GlobalWin FOP32 Heatsink (available @ Tran Micro). This heatsink has been rated as one of the top 5 HS's for the Duron & Thunderbird CPU's, I'll recomend it to anyone in this LUG. Also a tip when overclocking, you might want to add an extra fan or two to your case. HS's can only cool your CPU to the temp of the air in the case, so ventalation helps tremendously. Hope i've helped. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Doug Hanson Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 10:13 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Win98 & Duron (OT?) Bill, I have a Duron 700 @ 950 under Windoze ME and is stable. Try upping your Vcore to 1.8 to 1.85v, that should increase your stability. Watch the temp though, it will get hot. If you are OC'ing the chip, I would assume that you have a quality heat sink and fan or it's bye bye Duron... I would also drop your chip to the stock 700Mhz for the Windoze installation just to get it done... Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Layer" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 3:16 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Win98 & Duron (OT?) > Discussions of MS OS are not entriely off-topic - in my mind they fall under "reconissance" :) > > Anyway, I've got a Duron 700 @ 850, Linux 2.2 / 2.4 is super-duper stable on this box, but I decided to make a small Win98SE install, to allow the use of some equipment with Windows-only USB drivers. Sadly, VMware has no USB support as of yet. > > This machine does not like 98, it locked up several times in install, and on the first boot. Is there a known issue with Duron & 98SE? > > Bill > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dd-b at dd-b.net Thu Apr 5 18:36:40 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mailman just too slow In-Reply-To: <20010405004517.G5991@ringworld.org> References: <20010329214706.B2995@master.dbsource.com> <20010330123750.V19975@real-time.com> <20010330140311.C1883@vm-lvm> <20010330151540.E27270@ringworld.org> <20010405004517.G5991@ringworld.org> Message-ID: Scott Dier writes: > * David Dyer-Bennet [010404 22:50]: > > nickeled and dimed to performance and security death by now, with > > people adding all the things they "can't live without". > > If I peddle modified wares and they happen to be better for you, why > should I be stopped? > > A debian binary package even? > > Oh, nevermind, its not Free. > > Perhaps djb is worried about losing mindshare for some reason. In terms of *mindshare* he's clearly worse off the way he's doing things. But in terms of quality, he's better off. -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From dd-b at dd-b.net Thu Apr 5 18:37:55 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes In-Reply-To: <20010405004114.F5991@ringworld.org> References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109762@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> <20010404181803.C5991@ringworld.org> <20010405004114.F5991@ringworld.org> Message-ID: Scott Dier writes: > * David Dyer-Bennet [010404 23:03]: > > If you say so. But why would I want a $50 28.8 connection instead of > > a $40 256k connection? > > Because you cant get DSL. Think of it, people all over the US cant get > DSL nor Cable. They should consider moving to more civilized areas? I guess if you want to live in the boonies you have to sacrifice some modern conveniences. And live in your car. -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From dd-b at dd-b.net Thu Apr 5 18:39:38 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes In-Reply-To: <3ACC9487.180DF6AA@mninter.net> References: <3ACB300B.6E1E9F93@fandre.com> <20010404110158.G27318@real-time.com> <3ACC6EEE.D86F4DF1@fandre.com> <20010405095535.I5991@ringworld.org> <3ACC8A25.9B89B74B@fandre.com> <3ACC9487.180DF6AA@mninter.net> Message-ID: Shawn writes: > If you think 144k sucks rocks, what would you think either 49,333 or > 115,200 does? Granted I like my 128k connection but I don't agree with > the $120 a month fee for it as it's a rather bad $ for k investment... I believe those are "sucks dead diseased rats through a straw" and "sucks galactic moose", respectively. -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From dd-b at dd-b.net Thu Apr 5 18:40:16 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes In-Reply-To: <0GBB00FDGM67S9@mail1.supervalu.com> References: <0GBB00FDGM67S9@mail1.supervalu.com> Message-ID: Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com writes: > I've never understood why people are so damned fascinated with > Linux on the S/390. I get to work on SuSE/390, and it really isn't that > impressive. The box isn't any more responsive than the Linux PC on > my desk. Sure, you can put lots of them on one box - but if you're wanting > to actually save money, you're better off buying small boxes. Or, buying > a higher end Sun box and just intelligently administrating it. Well, I get a giggle out of running Linux on an IBM mainframe. But I wouldn't go so far as to say that I'm fascinated. -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From dd-b at dd-b.net Thu Apr 5 18:42:38 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Z-Series thread In-Reply-To: <20010405121404.A18246@real-time.com> References: <0GBB00FDGM67S9@mail1.supervalu.com> <20010405121404.A18246@real-time.com> Message-ID: Bob Tanner writes: > Ok, I guess I'll do some quick numbers.... > > Quoting Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com): > > I've never understood why people are so damned fascinated with > > Linux on the S/390. I get to work on SuSE/390, and it really isn't that > > impressive. The box isn't any more responsive than the Linux PC on > > my desk. Sure, you can put lots of them on one box - but if you're wanting > > to actually save money, you're better off buying small boxes. Or, buying > > a higher end Sun box and just intelligently administrating it. > > I have to disagree. Let's say you can runn 4,000 instance of linux on 1 > Z-Series. That is 1 electrical run. 1 large UPS. 1 port on a switch. 1 rack. > 10 sq feet of space to house it. Put what you think it cost here to just get the > hardware. What power does that class of hardware take these days? Still 440Hz? And 4000 seems grotesquely excessive. Can it support the net bandwidth needed for that? Or even the CPU rate? Or the disk IO rate? -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From dd-b at dd-b.net Thu Apr 5 18:45:23 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] S/390 Pipe Dream Thread (was DSL thread) In-Reply-To: <20010405014312.D6647@real-time.com> References: <20010404150344.K1202@real-time.com> <20010405014312.D6647@real-time.com> Message-ID: Bob Tanner writes: > Well, I want "ever single" computer to run linux too.... Monoculture is bad, even if it's Linux. -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From dd-b at dd-b.net Thu Apr 5 18:50:28 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] S/390 Pipe Dream Thread (was DSL thread) In-Reply-To: <20010405142201.A4576@hermes.sistina.com> References: <20010404150344.K1202@real-time.com> <20010405014312.D6647@real-time.com> <20010405093349.B945@hermes.sistina.com> <20010405121950.D18246@real-time.com> <20010405142201.A4576@hermes.sistina.com> Message-ID: Ben Lutgens writes: > I am not thinking like OS/390's virtual domains, more application level > (apache, qmail, etc) in order to use one box for many domains, I really doubt > the people on the list are going to get thousands of hits an hour and a few > intel boxes could handle nearly anything the hoobyists can throw at it. Hmmm, if I'm reading my reports right, I average a bit over 1000 hits an hour over a month. The peak hour of the day averages over 2000 hits (over a month still). So into the low end of thousands of hits an hour, anyway. I'd be shocked if I were among the most heavily hit boxes in the group. -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From dd-b at dd-b.net Thu Apr 5 18:51:02 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] S/390 Pipe Dream Thread (was DSL thread) In-Reply-To: <200104051934.OAA00451@www5> References: <200104051934.OAA00451@www5> Message-ID: Philip C Mendelsohn writes: > On 5 Apr 2001, Ben Lutgens wrote: > > > (shakes in fear) > > > > I wouldn't do it. All your 390's are belong to IBM. You will be > assimilated. > > And any old timer, at least from DEC will tell you IBM stands for > "It's Better Manually..." That's correct. -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From nate at techie.com Thu Apr 5 19:06:00 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes In-Reply-To: ; from dd-b@dd-b.net on Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 06:37:55PM -0500 References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109762@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> <20010404181803.C5991@ringworld.org> <20010405004114.F5991@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010405190600.A14178@candle.dyn.dhs.org> On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 06:37:55PM -0500, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > Scott Dier writes: > > Because you cant get DSL. Think of it, people all over the US cant get > > DSL nor Cable. > > They should consider moving to more civilized areas? I guess if you > want to live in the boonies you have to sacrifice some modern > conveniences. And live in your car. Do you consider Burnsville and Eagan the boonies? It's not a problem of only civilized areas getting DSL (or any broadband). It's a problem that there isn't any incentive for the telcom companies to roll out faster. Nate From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Apr 5 19:22:45 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apt-get dist-upgrade problem In-Reply-To: <20010405173356.E9203@wookimus.net>; from chewie@wookimus.net on Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 05:33:56PM -0500 References: <20010405173356.E9203@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20010405192245.B5919@hermes.sistina.com> On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 05:33:56PM -0500, Chad C. Walstrom wrote: >On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 05:13:23PM -0500, Timothy Wilson wrote: > >Remove all ximian and helix versioned packages. Reinstall from >unstable. > dpkg --force-overwrite -i /var/lib/dpkg/archives/package.deb should do it. Worked for me. You may get errors about one or two other that will need this treatment first. Do the same to them and the original package then rerun dist-upgrade. This happens when the person who packages something doesn't bother to check if it upgrades a package(s) correctly. Gnome sucks anyway, get rid of it. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) $chown -R us.us yourbase -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Hell even fairbanks alaska has broadband now. the telcos should feel shame. >It's not a problem of >only civilized areas getting DSL (or any broadband). It's a problem >that there isn't any incentive for the telcom companies to roll out >faster. > >Nate >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) $chown -R us.us yourbase -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Reinstall from > unstable. apt-get install `awk 'BEGIN {RS="\n\n+"} ; /Version: .*helix.*/ { print $2 "/unstable" }' /var/lib/dpkg/status` That might work nicely :) s/helix/ximian/ to get the ximian packages. this chokes on any refrence to non-installed ximian packafges in status tho :| -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010405/c3eab130/attachment.pgp From veldy at veldy.net Thu Apr 5 21:20:25 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Not everybody lives in the boonies who can't DSL. I would go so far as to say most don't. There was a lot of crappy copper put up on the poles during from the 50s to the 70s. And there has been a lot of fiber down into the new neighborhoods. All of which stops DSL. IDSL is not really DSL, and is only available to a small number of the remainder. Troy -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of David Dyer-Bennet Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 6:38 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] DSL woes Scott Dier writes: > * David Dyer-Bennet [010404 23:03]: > > If you say so. But why would I want a $50 28.8 connection instead of > > a $40 256k connection? > > Because you cant get DSL. Think of it, people all over the US cant get > DSL nor Cable. They should consider moving to more civilized areas? I guess if you want to live in the boonies you have to sacrifice some modern conveniences. And live in your car. -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Thu Apr 5 21:46:14 2001 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes Message-ID: Indeed! Fridley (at least my part) seems to fit this definition of "boonies" also. >>> veldy@veldy.net 04/05/01 09:20PM >>> Not everybody lives in the boonies who can't DSL. I would go so far as to say most don't. There was a lot of crappy copper put up on the poles during from the 50s to the 70s. From dd-b at dd-b.net Fri Apr 6 01:23:59 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes In-Reply-To: <20010405190600.A14178@candle.dyn.dhs.org> References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109762@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> <20010404181803.C5991@ringworld.org> <20010405004114.F5991@ringworld.org> <20010405190600.A14178@candle.dyn.dhs.org> Message-ID: Nate Straz writes: > On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 06:37:55PM -0500, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > > Scott Dier writes: > > > Because you cant get DSL. Think of it, people all over the US cant get > > > DSL nor Cable. > > > > They should consider moving to more civilized areas? I guess if you > > want to live in the boonies you have to sacrifice some modern > > conveniences. And live in your car. > > Do you consider Burnsville and Eagan the boonies? It's not a problem of > only civilized areas getting DSL (or any broadband). It's a problem > that there isn't any incentive for the telcom companies to roll out > faster. Yes, those are definitely the boonies. Burnsville, for example, is something like half an hour south of me, and I'm south of downtown; it's a *long* way out. -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From tanner at real-time.com Fri Apr 6 01:44:02 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kerberos and Linux Message-ID: <20010406014402.D15632@real-time.com> Anyone "kerberosized" their network? I'd be interested in talking with you offline this topic. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Apr 6 03:44:25 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kerberos and Linux In-Reply-To: <20010406014402.D15632@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Fri, Apr 06, 2001 at 01:44:02AM -0500 References: <20010406014402.D15632@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010406034425.D21670@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [010406 01:49]: > Anyone "kerberosized" their network? USENIX this year has a tutorial on how to get w2k kerberos and unix kerberos talking nicely. I'm interested too, but ive heard nothing but 'hell on earth' for using kerberos :) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010406/1c9f5ab4/attachment.pgp From veldy at veldy.net Fri Apr 6 07:50:37 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109762@mspexch1.office.mktw.net><20010404181803.C5991@ringworld.org> <20010405004114.F5991@ringworld.org> <20010405190600.A14178@candle.dyn.dhs.org> Message-ID: <003801c0be98$2e24e450$3028680a@tgt.com> Burnsville is not far out. Fridley is certainly not far out. Fridley is only 4 to 8 miles out from Downtown. Hell, DSL will extend 3 miles on its own. And I know Fridley has its own CO. The problem is the copper takes a winding road and much of the copper is substandard (AT&T really did not play fair when they installed it back then). Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dyer-Bennet" To: Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 1:23 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] DSL woes > Nate Straz writes: > > > On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 06:37:55PM -0500, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > > > Scott Dier writes: > > > > Because you cant get DSL. Think of it, people all over the US cant get > > > > DSL nor Cable. > > > > > > They should consider moving to more civilized areas? I guess if you > > > want to live in the boonies you have to sacrifice some modern > > > conveniences. And live in your car. > > > > Do you consider Burnsville and Eagan the boonies? It's not a problem of > > only civilized areas getting DSL (or any broadband). It's a problem > > that there isn't any incentive for the telcom companies to roll out > > faster. > > Yes, those are definitely the boonies. > > Burnsville, for example, is something like half an hour south of me, > and I'm south of downtown; it's a *long* way out. > -- > David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net > SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ > Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From nate at techie.com Fri Apr 6 08:07:41 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes In-Reply-To: ; from dd-b@dd-b.net on Fri, Apr 06, 2001 at 01:23:59AM -0500 References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109762@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> <20010404181803.C5991@ringworld.org> <20010405004114.F5991@ringworld.org> <20010405190600.A14178@candle.dyn.dhs.org> Message-ID: <20010406080741.A16471@candle.dyn.dhs.org> On Fri, Apr 06, 2001 at 01:23:59AM -0500, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > Nate Straz writes: > > Do you consider Burnsville and Eagan the boonies? It's not a problem of > > Yes, those are definitely the boonies. > > Burnsville, for example, is something like half an hour south of me, > and I'm south of downtown; it's a *long* way out. You must drive really slow. I can get into downtown Minneapolis or St. Paul in about 20 minutes. Compared to where I lived in Maine and New York, this is definately not the boonies. If you're 20 minutes from an Interstate and a majority of your neighbors are farms or gravel pits, then you're in the boonies. You city slickers need to get out more. Nate From JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com Fri Apr 6 08:40:58 2001 From: JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com (Miller, John) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] smbmount Message-ID: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3941D61DA@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> When I issue the following command: smbmount //DRC3225/d /mnt/work Password: ******** I get the following error. Could someone tell me what this means. I suppect that it has somethine to do with the DRC3225. That is the name of the windows machine that I am trying to mount. tree connect failed: ERRSRV - ERRinvnetname (Invalid network name in tree connect.) SMB connection failed I am running RH7.0 and have mounted windows machines in the past but the directions I wrote to myself are on a sticker at home. BTW I am trying to do this through a telnet connection. Do I need to be root when I do this? TIA John Miller Dain Rauscher Inc. Application Services IS Capital Markets Phone 612-547-7573 Fax 612-547-7580 mailto:jmiller2@dainrauscher.com From fertch at mninter.net Fri Apr 6 09:08:14 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes References: Message-ID: <3ACDCDCE.768F449C@mninter.net> What about Girard and 53rd in Minneapolis? Friend of mine who lived there moved to get DSL out in the "burbs." Well okay, to get a bigger house as well. Troy Johnson wrote: > > Indeed! Fridley (at least my part) seems to fit this definition of "boonies" also. > > >>> veldy@veldy.net 04/05/01 09:20PM >>> > Not everybody lives in the boonies who can't DSL. I would go so far as to > say most don't. There was a lot of crappy copper put up on the poles during > from the 50s to the 70s. > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From fertch at mninter.net Fri Apr 6 09:10:34 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109762@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> <20010404181803.C5991@ringworld.org> <20010405004114.F5991@ringworld.org> <20010405190600.A14178@candle.dyn.dhs.org> Message-ID: <3ACDCE5A.A30D4604@mninter.net> David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > > > > Do you consider Burnsville and Eagan the boonies? It's not a problem of > > only civilized areas getting DSL (or any broadband). It's a problem > > that there isn't any incentive for the telcom companies to roll out > > faster. > > Yes, those are definitely the boonies. > > Burnsville, for example, is something like half an hour south of me, > and I'm south of downtown; it's a *long* way out. Damn, I'd hate to hear what you think of those of us who live in Forest Lake, Ham Lake (well okay, that's that boonies to me) and such on the northeast part of town. Hell, Woodbury is a "boonie burb" and they have both DSL and Broadband. As does Inver Grove Heights and such.... From veldy at veldy.net Fri Apr 6 09:28:37 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] smbmount References: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3941D61DA@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> Message-ID: <009701c0bea5$deec8e20$3028680a@tgt.com> I have not used the command in a long time, but the windows world is backwards -- so you should try: smbmount \\DRC3225\d /mnt/work Notice the direction of the slashes. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miller, John" To: Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 8:40 AM Subject: [TCLUG] smbmount > When I issue the following command: > smbmount //DRC3225/d /mnt/work > Password: ******** > > I get the following error. Could someone tell me what this means. I > suppect that it has somethine to do with the DRC3225. That is the name of > the windows machine that I am trying to mount. > > tree connect failed: ERRSRV - ERRinvnetname (Invalid network name in tree > connect.) > SMB connection failed > > I am running RH7.0 and have mounted windows machines in the past but the > directions I wrote to myself are on a sticker at home. BTW I am trying to > do this through a telnet connection. Do I need to be root when I do this? > > TIA > > John Miller > Dain Rauscher Inc. > Application Services > IS Capital Markets > Phone 612-547-7573 > Fax 612-547-7580 > mailto:jmiller2@dainrauscher.com > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From veldy at veldy.net Fri Apr 6 09:30:01 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109762@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> <20010404181803.C5991@ringworld.org> <20010405004114.F5991@ringworld.org> <20010405190600.A14178@candle.dyn.dhs.org> <3ACDCE5A.A30D4604@mninter.net> Message-ID: <00a001c0bea6$10ff9dd0$3028680a@tgt.com> And Stillwater. My brother can get 1.2M/1.2M connection from QWest -- and the home he lives in is 60 years old. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shawn" To: Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] DSL woes > David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > > > > > > Do you consider Burnsville and Eagan the boonies? It's not a problem of > > > only civilized areas getting DSL (or any broadband). It's a problem > > > that there isn't any incentive for the telcom companies to roll out > > > faster. > > > > Yes, those are definitely the boonies. > > > > Burnsville, for example, is something like half an hour south of me, > > and I'm south of downtown; it's a *long* way out. > > > Damn, I'd hate to hear what you think of those of us who live in Forest > Lake, Ham Lake (well okay, that's that boonies to me) and such on the > northeast part of town. Hell, Woodbury is a "boonie burb" and they have > both DSL and Broadband. As does Inver Grove Heights and such.... > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From blarson at crary.com Fri Apr 6 09:30:49 2001 From: blarson at crary.com (Bradley D. Larson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes Message-ID: <3ACDD318.1DD66FB7@crary.com> SoapboxMode ON I've never seen such a group of whiners.... most of the messages the last few days have been about the woes of DSL in the metropolitain areas... I've had to put have my DSL installed in another town and broadcast it across country via wireless... (at my own expense). Start adding up the costs... $ 35 phone line at remote location /month 60 DSL service / month 2000 wireless Access Point capable of trx long distances (incl. ant.) 700 Station Adapter (incl. ant.) 100 ant lease at elevator ??? Install ant. on top of grain elevator and cable ------- $2895 before I ever get to log on the net... 95 every month there after This isn't a my story is worse than yours... It's GET A GRIP, solve your personal problems and move on to something more relevant to LINUX. SoapboxMode OFF >> Burnsville, for example, is something like half an hour south of me, >> and I'm south of downtown; it's a *long* way out. >You must drive really slow. I can get into downtown Minneapolis or St. >Paul in about 20 minutes. >Compared to where I lived in Maine and New York, this is definately not >the boonies. If you're 20 minutes from an Interstate and a majority of >your neighbors are farms or gravel pits, then you're in the boonies. >You city slickers need to get out more. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: blarson.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 386 bytes Desc: Card for Bradley D. Larson Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010406/6ad1b58e/blarson.vcf From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Fri Apr 6 09:44:16 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes In-Reply-To: <3ACDCE5A.A30D4604@mninter.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 6 Apr 2001, Shawn wrote: > Damn, I'd hate to hear what you think of those of us who live in Forest > Lake, Ham Lake (well okay, that's that boonies to me) and such on the > northeast part of town. Hell, Woodbury is a "boonie burb" and they have > both DSL and Broadband. As does Inver Grove Heights and such.... Hang on -- be careful about distorting geography. The difference between the eastern and western 'burbs is that it's fifteen miles from downtown St. Paul to the WI border, whereas that same 15 miles west puts you in Plymouth or Eden Prairie (more or less.) Different pattern of development too -- the cornfields in Woodbury were a lot closer to 3M world HQ than the cornfields in the west/SW 'burbs... -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Fri Apr 6 09:47:57 2001 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Z-Series thread Message-ID: <0GBD0091NL5GVU@mail1.supervalu.com> > For example, we have Linux in an LPAR w/ 1024MB of memory. This LPAR > resided on a 6 CPU 1,271 MIPS partition w/ 18GB of memory. I though LPAR == partition? Argh, my bad. Let me restate it: For example, we have Linux in an LPAR w/ 1024MB of memory. This LPAR resided on a 6 CPU 1,271 MIPS Sysplex w/ 18GB of memory. Much better. (I apologize, I'm a UNIX guy, not a Mainframe guy, so my terminology gets skewed from time-to-time.) - Nick Reinking From administrator at ltiflex.com Fri Apr 6 09:49:18 2001 From: administrator at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] smbmount References: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3941D61DA@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> <009701c0bea5$deec8e20$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <3ACDD76E.C5CBEDE3@ltiflex.com> "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > > I have not used the command in a long time, but the windows world is > backwards -- so you should try: > > smbmount \\DRC3225\d /mnt/work > > Notice the direction of the slashes. The windows world is backwards, but the UNIX world isn't. Even though it's a windows machine the slashes still go forward (//host/share) Try mount -t smbfs -o username=XXXXX,password=YYYYY,netbiosname=whatever,ip=ipofhostyouremounting,workgroup=workgroup //server/share /mnt/whatever You must do the above as root. smbmount is intended to be called from mount, just use the options you need. If you want to mount things as a normal user they have to be in fstab, or just use smbclient. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From fertch at mninter.net Fri Apr 6 10:47:06 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes References: Message-ID: <3ACDE4FA.43EB7248@mninter.net> Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > Hang on -- be careful about distorting geography. The difference between > the eastern and western 'burbs is that it's fifteen miles from downtown > St. Paul to the WI border, whereas that same 15 miles west puts you in > Plymouth or Eden Prairie (more or less.) Different pattern of development > too -- the cornfields in Woodbury were a lot closer to 3M world HQ than > the cornfields in the west/SW 'burbs... > Part of the issue is that given development and expansion, they (meaning telco's and such) will go to where money is. Meaning that the SW 'burbs will get things more than nearly any other areas first. Why? Because the business revenue, coupled with the fact that many of the residents of those areas are of a higher income. Hence, the reason why Stillwater and IGH has high speed connectivity (residential income). Someone was right in saying that there's a price to pay for living in the outer cities, but then again there's a price to pay anywhere. While I may gripe about having to pay the price I do for ISDN, I'm glad that I am able to pay that price (meaning I have a job). But in the meantime, I'm going to keep hounding Qwest to put DSL (of some type) in as well as hound AT&T to buy out the stinking little cable company in our town (Citation Cable owned by US Cable). From veldy at veldy.net Fri Apr 6 10:48:33 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes References: <3ACDE4FA.43EB7248@mninter.net> Message-ID: <00e701c0beb1$090f2450$3028680a@tgt.com> The area of Stillwater he is in is most definitely NOT high income. Low to moderate would be a more accurate assessment. The homes are very old and probably selling at a premium (I digress -- our economy will correct and when it does, we will see that we entered a resession last November) -- so the copper is old and there is not a lot of cash in the neighborhoods. I don't know if the theory of DSL where the Money is applies. Incidentally, DSL in Maple Grove is nearly non-existant. Again -- a blow to that theory. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shawn" To: Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] DSL woes > Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > > Hang on -- be careful about distorting geography. The difference between > > the eastern and western 'burbs is that it's fifteen miles from downtown > > St. Paul to the WI border, whereas that same 15 miles west puts you in > > Plymouth or Eden Prairie (more or less.) Different pattern of development > > too -- the cornfields in Woodbury were a lot closer to 3M world HQ than > > the cornfields in the west/SW 'burbs... > > > > > Part of the issue is that given development and expansion, they (meaning > telco's and such) will go to where money is. Meaning that the SW 'burbs > will get things more than nearly any other areas first. Why? Because > the business revenue, coupled with the fact that many of the residents > of those areas are of a higher income. Hence, the reason why Stillwater > and IGH has high speed connectivity (residential income). Someone was > right in saying that there's a price to pay for living in the outer > cities, but then again there's a price to pay anywhere. > > While I may gripe about having to pay the price I do for ISDN, I'm glad > that I am able to pay that price (meaning I have a job). But in the > meantime, I'm going to keep hounding Qwest to put DSL (of some type) in > as well as hound AT&T to buy out the stinking little cable company in > our town (Citation Cable owned by US Cable). > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Fri Apr 6 11:24:50 2001 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes Message-ID: Though you qualify the statement, I do not regard it as any less a whine than the others (including my own). I don't have $3k+ to burn, and though I am glad you can solve your own personal problems that way, "I solved my connectivity problems by blowing tons of cash" doesn't help me at all. I want to hear a bit about connectivity issues here (DSL included) because that is something I wish to do with Linux. Admittedly, we've had enough "DSL woes" for a while, but I don't think I should have to "move where DSL is available" and I think that ( NoDSL == "boonies" ) is a silly thing to say and should be corrected. And I think it has. >>> blarson@crary.com 04/06/01 09:30AM >>> SoapboxMode ON I've never seen such a group of whiners.... most of the messages the last few days have been about the woes of DSL in the metropolitain areas... I've had to put have my DSL installed in another town and broadcast it across country via wireless... (at my own expense). Start adding up the costs... $ 35 phone line at remote location /month 60 DSL service / month 2000 wireless Access Point capable of trx long distances (incl. ant.) 700 Station Adapter (incl. ant.) 100 ant lease at elevator ??? Install ant. on top of grain elevator and cable ------- $2895 before I ever get to log on the net... 95 every month there after This isn't a my story is worse than yours... It's GET A GRIP, solve your personal problems and move on to something more relevant to LINUX. SoapboxMode OFF >> Burnsville, for example, is something like half an hour south of me, >> and I'm south of downtown; it's a *long* way out. >You must drive really slow. I can get into downtown Minneapolis or St. >Paul in about 20 minutes. >Compared to where I lived in Maine and New York, this is definately not >the boonies. If you're 20 minutes from an Interstate and a majority of >your neighbors are farms or gravel pits, then you're in the boonies. >You city slickers need to get out more. From bradyh at bitstream.net Fri Apr 6 11:37:36 2001 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] modprobe eth0 fails after kernel upgrade In-Reply-To: <3ACDE4FA.43EB7248@mninter.net> References: Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20010406112926.00c2d8c0@mail.bitstream.net> I'm using Redhat 6.0 and I upgraded my kernel to 2.2.17 using Redhat's RPMs but now I get a message in my log that says: modprobe: can't locate module eth0 My modules.conf file has this line: alias eth0 3c59x I searched for the 3c59x file with no luck - though I did find the 3c59x.o file. What should I do? Thanks, Brady From dd-b at dd-b.net Fri Apr 6 11:41:29 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes In-Reply-To: <20010406080741.A16471@candle.dyn.dhs.org> References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109762@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> <20010404181803.C5991@ringworld.org> <20010405004114.F5991@ringworld.org> <20010405190600.A14178@candle.dyn.dhs.org> <20010406080741.A16471@candle.dyn.dhs.org> Message-ID: Nate Straz writes: > On Fri, Apr 06, 2001 at 01:23:59AM -0500, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > > Nate Straz writes: > > > Do you consider Burnsville and Eagan the boonies? It's not a problem of > > > > Yes, those are definitely the boonies. > > > > Burnsville, for example, is something like half an hour south of me, > > and I'm south of downtown; it's a *long* way out. > > You must drive really slow. I can get into downtown Minneapolis or St. > Paul in about 20 minutes. I rarely drive more than 5 or 10 mph over the limit. > Compared to where I lived in Maine and New York, this is definately not > the boonies. If you're 20 minutes from an Interstate and a majority of > your neighbors are farms or gravel pits, then you're in the boonies. > You city slickers need to get out more. Why? Is there anything interesting there? :-) -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From dd-b at dd-b.net Fri Apr 6 11:44:32 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes In-Reply-To: <00e701c0beb1$090f2450$3028680a@tgt.com> References: <3ACDE4FA.43EB7248@mninter.net> <00e701c0beb1$090f2450$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" writes: > The area of Stillwater he is in is most definitely NOT high income. Low to > moderate would be a more accurate assessment. The homes are very old and > probably selling at a premium (I digress -- our economy will correct and > when it does, we will see that we entered a resession last November) -- so > the copper is old and there is not a lot of cash in the neighborhoods. I > don't know if the theory of DSL where the Money is applies. Incidentally, > DSL in Maple Grove is nearly non-existant. Again -- a blow to that theory. I live on Blaisdell Ave. (one block west of Nicollet), between 37th and 38th streets. Trust me, this is *not* a high income area. It was the very last Minneapolis area to get ISDN availability -- and got DSL early. And I can get anything up to at least 1 meg both ways. -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From jima at gimp.damnation.net Fri Apr 6 11:59:52 2001 From: jima at gimp.damnation.net (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] modprobe eth0 fails after kernel upgrade In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010406114809.02cc09f0@mail.mintygreen.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 6 Apr 2001, Brady Hegberg wrote: > I'm using Redhat 6.0 and I upgraded my kernel to 2.2.17 using Redhat's RPMs > but now I get a message in my log that says: > > modprobe: can't locate module eth0 > > My modules.conf file has this line: Shouldn't that be conf.modules? Fair sure it should be... Try again after renaming the file. :) Jima From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Fri Apr 6 11:59:35 2001 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] modprobe eth0 fails after kernel upgrade Message-ID: Just a few more details: Which RPMs were installed for the kernel upgrade (list 'em)? Where was 3c59x.o found? If I am not mistaken, "3c59x" is the name of the module, and "3c59x.o" is the object file that contains this module. I think the modules.conf syntax is correct, and if modprobe could find the "3c59x.o" file it would load it (if it is compiled for this kernel, but I think it would give you a different message if that were the problem here). >>> bradyh@bitstream.net 04/06/01 11:37AM >>> I'm using Redhat 6.0 and I upgraded my kernel to 2.2.17 using Redhat's RPMs but now I get a message in my log that says: modprobe: can't locate module eth0 My modules.conf file has this line: alias eth0 3c59x I searched for the 3c59x file with no luck - though I did find the 3c59x.o file. What should I do? Thanks, Brady _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From atebbe at real-time.com Fri Apr 6 11:45:36 2001 From: atebbe at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Reminder: Signup for Linux Conference Message-ID: <20010406114536.I25943@real-time.com> Just a quick reminder to signup for the Linux Conference April 12th, if you haven't already. We've received a lot of goodies to raffle off throughout the day, including complete boxed sets of RedHat, Caldera, TurboLinux, SuSe, BRU, and Win4Lin, and a ton of t-shirts. You can never have enough t-shirts... Signup at www.real-time.com Here's the original posting, modified to update the exhibitor's list and to fix my typo's :) ------------------------------------------------------------------- Real Time is hosting another Linux Conference this year. Details as follows: Date: Thursday, April 12, 2001 Time: 8am - 5pm Location: Radisson South in Bloomington, 7800 Normandale Blvd Cost: FREE Register Online: www.real-time.com Agenda: 8am-8:30am - Registration, free donuts 8:30am-4pm - Linux Seminars - topics include general Linux information, security, network monitoring, smtp authentication, web development, databases and more. - Matt O'Keefe, Sistina Software, will guest speak on GFS - during breaks, there will be several give-aways of t-shirts, posters, and complete boxed sets of various distributions and other software. 10:30am - 5pm - Exhibits/InfoCenter - Exhibitors: Archemedia, Borland, Corel, Real Time, Sistina Software, and VA Linux - InfoCenter will have free literature and CDs from various Linux companies, such as: Caldera, Eazel, EST, IBM, Linux Journal, LPI, Mandrake, NeTraverse, OpenNMS, O'Reilly, Penguin Computing, SAIR/GNU Linux, Steel Eye, SuSe, TurboLinux, and more 10:30am - 5pm - TCLUG InstallFest - bring your computer to get help with installing Linux, or just stop by to see everyone's cool themes. Seating is limited - register online at www.real-time.com to reserve your seat. Hope to see you there... -- Amy Tanner Voice: 952.943.8700 Real Time Enterprises, Inc. Fax: 952.943.8500 amy@real-time.com http://www.real-time.com GPG Fingerprint: DAC7 E1B2 80D9 3099 1A20 0817 2DFE 5086 81B3 5466 _______________________________________________ tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Fri Apr 6 13:09:58 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes In-Reply-To: <3ACDE4FA.43EB7248@mninter.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 6 Apr 2001, Shawn wrote: > Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > > Hang on -- be careful about distorting geography. The difference between > > the eastern and western 'burbs is that it's fifteen miles from downtown > > St. Paul to the WI border, whereas that same 15 miles west puts you in > > Plymouth or Eden Prairie (more or less.) Different pattern of development > > too -- the cornfields in Woodbury were a lot closer to 3M world HQ than > > the cornfields in the west/SW 'burbs... > > > > > Part of the issue is that given development and expansion, they (meaning > telco's and such) will go to where money is. True, but all I was saying is that all things being equal, you make money where you have less overhead. There is more existing infrastructure in the east metro, particularly with state govt facilities, than in new suburban housing developments. Doesn't mean service is any better there! Doesn't mean they won't be putting more energies into western burbs. But downtown St. Paul has a really fat pipe, and it's easier to get to than running new copper, because even if the old copper is bad, it doesn't have as far to go due to geographic constraints. Your point still seems valid to me, but sometimes physical reality does have effects in virtual reality. :) (And sometimes, I'm not firing on all cylinders -- you guys are bigger telco gurus than me.) Phil M. -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From blarson at crary.com Fri Apr 6 13:35:55 2001 From: blarson at crary.com (Bradley D. Larson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #857 - 14 msgs References: <200104061740.f36HeHZ27891@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <3ACE0C8A.FBD74462@crary.com> tclug-list-request@mn-linux.org wrote: > Send tclug-list mailing list submissions to > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > tclug-list-request@mn-linux.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of tclug-list digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. smbmount (Miller, John) > 2. Re: DSL woes (Shawn) > 3. Re: DSL woes (Shawn) > 4. Re: smbmount (Thomas T. Veldhouse) > 5. Re: DSL woes (Thomas T. Veldhouse) > 6. Re: DSL woes (Bradley D. Larson) > 7. Re: DSL woes (Phil Mendelsohn) > 8. Re: Z-Series thread (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) > 9. Re: smbmount (Andy Zbikowski) > 10. Re: DSL woes (Shawn) > 11. Re: DSL woes (Thomas T. Veldhouse) > 12. Re: DSL woes (Troy Johnson) > 13. modprobe eth0 fails after kernel upgrade (Brady Hegberg) > 14. Re: DSL woes (David Dyer-Bennet) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > From: "Miller, John" > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 08:40:58 -0500 > Subject: [TCLUG] smbmount > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > When I issue the following command: > smbmount //DRC3225/d /mnt/work > Password: ******** > > I get the following error. Could someone tell me what this means. I > suppect that it has somethine to do with the DRC3225. That is the name of > the windows machine that I am trying to mount. > > tree connect failed: ERRSRV - ERRinvnetname (Invalid network name in tree > connect.) > SMB connection failed > > I am running RH7.0 and have mounted windows machines in the past but the > directions I wrote to myself are on a sticker at home. BTW I am trying to > do this through a telnet connection. Do I need to be root when I do this? > > TIA > > John Miller > Dain Rauscher Inc. > Application Services > IS Capital Markets > Phone 612-547-7573 > Fax 612-547-7580 > mailto:jmiller2@dainrauscher.com > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 09:08:14 -0500 > From: Shawn > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] DSL woes > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > What about Girard and 53rd in Minneapolis? Friend of mine who lived > there moved to get DSL out in the "burbs." Well okay, to get a bigger > house as well. > > Troy Johnson wrote: > > > > Indeed! Fridley (at least my part) seems to fit this definition of "boonies" also. > > > > >>> veldy@veldy.net 04/05/01 09:20PM >>> > > Not everybody lives in the boonies who can't DSL. I would go so far as to > > say most don't. There was a lot of crappy copper put up on the poles during > > from the 50s to the 70s. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > --__--__-- > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 09:10:34 -0500 > From: Shawn > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] DSL woes > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > > > > > > Do you consider Burnsville and Eagan the boonies? It's not a problem of > > > only civilized areas getting DSL (or any broadband). It's a problem > > > that there isn't any incentive for the telcom companies to roll out > > > faster. > > > > Yes, those are definitely the boonies. > > > > Burnsville, for example, is something like half an hour south of me, > > and I'm south of downtown; it's a *long* way out. > > Damn, I'd hate to hear what you think of those of us who live in Forest > Lake, Ham Lake (well okay, that's that boonies to me) and such on the > northeast part of town. Hell, Woodbury is a "boonie burb" and they have > both DSL and Broadband. As does Inver Grove Heights and such.... > > --__--__-- > > Message: 4 > From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" > To: > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] smbmount > Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 09:28:37 -0500 > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > I have not used the command in a long time, but the windows world is > backwards -- so you should try: > > smbmount \\DRC3225\d /mnt/work > > Notice the direction of the slashes. > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Miller, John" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 8:40 AM > Subject: [TCLUG] smbmount > > > When I issue the following command: > > smbmount //DRC3225/d /mnt/work > > Password: ******** > > > > I get the following error. Could someone tell me what this means. I > > suppect that it has somethine to do with the DRC3225. That is the name of > > the windows machine that I am trying to mount. > > > > tree connect failed: ERRSRV - ERRinvnetname (Invalid network name in tree > > connect.) > > SMB connection failed > > > > I am running RH7.0 and have mounted windows machines in the past but the > > directions I wrote to myself are on a sticker at home. BTW I am trying to > > do this through a telnet connection. Do I need to be root when I do this? > > > > TIA > > > > John Miller > > Dain Rauscher Inc. > > Application Services > > IS Capital Markets > > Phone 612-547-7573 > > Fax 612-547-7580 > > mailto:jmiller2@dainrauscher.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 5 > From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" > To: > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] DSL woes > Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 09:30:01 -0500 > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > And Stillwater. My brother can get 1.2M/1.2M connection from QWest -- and > the home he lives in is 60 years old. > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Shawn" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 9:10 AM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] DSL woes > > > David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > > > > > > > > Do you consider Burnsville and Eagan the boonies? It's not a problem > of > > > > only civilized areas getting DSL (or any broadband). It's a problem > > > > that there isn't any incentive for the telcom companies to roll out > > > > faster. > > > > > > Yes, those are definitely the boonies. > > > > > > Burnsville, for example, is something like half an hour south of me, > > > and I'm south of downtown; it's a *long* way out. > > > > > > Damn, I'd hate to hear what you think of those of us who live in Forest > > Lake, Ham Lake (well okay, that's that boonies to me) and such on the > > northeast part of town. Hell, Woodbury is a "boonie burb" and they have > > both DSL and Broadband. As does Inver Grove Heights and such.... > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 09:30:49 -0500 > From: "Bradley D. Larson" > Organization: Crary Company > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] DSL woes > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > --------------3A15FBFCCBF892E9F6ED94EF > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > SoapboxMode ON > > I've never seen such a group of whiners.... most of the messages the last few days > have been about the woes of DSL in the metropolitain areas... > > I've had to put have my DSL installed in another town and broadcast it across > country via wireless... (at my own expense). Start adding up the costs... > > $ 35 phone line at remote location /month > 60 DSL service / month > 2000 wireless Access Point capable of trx long distances (incl. ant.) > 700 Station Adapter (incl. ant.) > 100 ant lease at elevator > ??? Install ant. on top of grain elevator and cable > ------- > $2895 before I ever get to log on the net... > 95 every month there after > > This isn't a my story is worse than yours... It's GET A GRIP, solve your personal > problems > and move on to something more relevant to LINUX. > > SoapboxMode OFF > > >> Burnsville, for example, is something like half an hour south of me, > >> and I'm south of downtown; it's a *long* way out. > > >You must drive really slow. I can get into downtown Minneapolis or St. > >Paul in about 20 minutes. > > >Compared to where I lived in Maine and New York, this is definately not > >the boonies. If you're 20 minutes from an Interstate and a majority of > >your neighbors are farms or gravel pits, then you're in the boonies. > >You city slickers need to get out more. > > --------------3A15FBFCCBF892E9F6ED94EF > Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; > name="blarson.vcf" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Description: Card for Bradley D. Larson > Content-Disposition: attachment; > filename="blarson.vcf" > > begin:vcard > n:Larson;Bradley > tel;fax:701-282-9522 > tel;work:701-282-5520 ext 352 > x-mozilla-html:FALSE > url:www.terramarc.com > org:Terramarc / Crary;Information Systems > version:2.1 > email;internet:blarson@crary.com > title:Manager of Information Systems > adr;quoted-printable:;;PO Box 849=0D=0A237 NW 12th St=0D=0A;West Fargo;ND;58078;USA > x-mozilla-cpt:;5904 > fn:Bradley D. Larson > end:vcard > > --------------3A15FBFCCBF892E9F6ED94EF-- > > --__--__-- > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 09:44:16 -0500 (CDT) > From: Phil Mendelsohn > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] DSL woes > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > On Fri, 6 Apr 2001, Shawn wrote: > > > Damn, I'd hate to hear what you think of those of us who live in Forest > > Lake, Ham Lake (well okay, that's that boonies to me) and such on the > > northeast part of town. Hell, Woodbury is a "boonie burb" and they have > > both DSL and Broadband. As does Inver Grove Heights and such.... > > Hang on -- be careful about distorting geography. The difference between > the eastern and western 'burbs is that it's fifteen miles from downtown > St. Paul to the WI border, whereas that same 15 miles west puts you in > Plymouth or Eden Prairie (more or less.) Different pattern of development > too -- the cornfields in Woodbury were a lot closer to 3M world HQ than > the cornfields in the west/SW 'burbs... > > -- > "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous > > --__--__-- > > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 09:47:57 -0500 (CDT) > From: Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Z-Series thread > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > --Boundary_(ID_3tekg2lCAj7YfGx81fka5A) > Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN > Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > > > For example, we have Linux in an LPAR w/ 1024MB of memory. This LPAR > > resided on a 6 CPU 1,271 MIPS partition w/ 18GB of memory. > I though LPAR == partition? > > Argh, my bad. Let me restate it: > > For example, we have Linux in an LPAR w/ 1024MB of memory. This LPAR > resided on a 6 CPU 1,271 MIPS Sysplex w/ 18GB of memory. > > Much better. (I apologize, I'm a UNIX guy, not a Mainframe guy, so my > terminology gets skewed from time-to-time.) > > - Nick Reinking > > --Boundary_(ID_3tekg2lCAj7YfGx81fka5A)-- > > --__--__-- > > Message: 9 > Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 09:49:18 -0500 > From: Andy Zbikowski > Organization: LTI Flexible Products > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] smbmount > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > > > > I have not used the command in a long time, but the windows world is > > backwards -- so you should try: > > > > smbmount \\DRC3225\d /mnt/work > > > > Notice the direction of the slashes. > > The windows world is backwards, but the UNIX world isn't. Even though it's a > windows machine the slashes still go forward (//host/share) > > Try mount -t smbfs -o > username=XXXXX,password=YYYYY,netbiosname=whatever,ip=ipofhostyouremounting,workgroup=workgroup > //server/share /mnt/whatever > > You must do the above as root. smbmount is intended to be called from mount, > just use the options you need. If you want to mount things as a normal user > they have to be in fstab, or just use smbclient. > > -- > Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com > LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 > 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 > Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 > > --__--__-- > > Message: 10 > Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 10:47:06 -0500 > From: Shawn > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] DSL woes > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > > Hang on -- be careful about distorting geography. The difference between > > the eastern and western 'burbs is that it's fifteen miles from downtown > > St. Paul to the WI border, whereas that same 15 miles west puts you in > > Plymouth or Eden Prairie (more or less.) Different pattern of development > > too -- the cornfields in Woodbury were a lot closer to 3M world HQ than > > the cornfields in the west/SW 'burbs... > > > > Part of the issue is that given development and expansion, they (meaning > telco's and such) will go to where money is. Meaning that the SW 'burbs > will get things more than nearly any other areas first. Why? Because > the business revenue, coupled with the fact that many of the residents > of those areas are of a higher income. Hence, the reason why Stillwater > and IGH has high speed connectivity (residential income). Someone was > right in saying that there's a price to pay for living in the outer > cities, but then again there's a price to pay anywhere. > > While I may gripe about having to pay the price I do for ISDN, I'm glad > that I am able to pay that price (meaning I have a job). But in the > meantime, I'm going to keep hounding Qwest to put DSL (of some type) in > as well as hound AT&T to buy out the stinking little cable company in > our town (Citation Cable owned by US Cable). > > --__--__-- > > Message: 11 > From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" > To: > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] DSL woes > Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 10:48:33 -0500 > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > The area of Stillwater he is in is most definitely NOT high income. Low to > moderate would be a more accurate assessment. The homes are very old and > probably selling at a premium (I digress -- our economy will correct and > when it does, we will see that we entered a resession last November) -- so > the copper is old and there is not a lot of cash in the neighborhoods. I > don't know if the theory of DSL where the Money is applies. Incidentally, > DSL in Maple Grove is nearly non-existant. Again -- a blow to that theory. > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Shawn" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 10:47 AM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] DSL woes > > > Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > > > Hang on -- be careful about distorting geography. The difference > between > > > the eastern and western 'burbs is that it's fifteen miles from downtown > > > St. Paul to the WI border, whereas that same 15 miles west puts you in > > > Plymouth or Eden Prairie (more or less.) Different pattern of > development > > > too -- the cornfields in Woodbury were a lot closer to 3M world HQ than > > > the cornfields in the west/SW 'burbs... > > > > > > > > > Part of the issue is that given development and expansion, they (meaning > > telco's and such) will go to where money is. Meaning that the SW 'burbs > > will get things more than nearly any other areas first. Why? Because > > the business revenue, coupled with the fact that many of the residents > > of those areas are of a higher income. Hence, the reason why Stillwater > > and IGH has high speed connectivity (residential income). Someone was > > right in saying that there's a price to pay for living in the outer > > cities, but then again there's a price to pay anywhere. > > > > While I may gripe about having to pay the price I do for ISDN, I'm glad > > that I am able to pay that price (meaning I have a job). But in the > > meantime, I'm going to keep hounding Qwest to put DSL (of some type) in > > as well as hound AT&T to buy out the stinking little cable company in > > our town (Citation Cable owned by US Cable). > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 12 > Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 11:24:50 -0500 > From: "Troy Johnson" > To: > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] DSL woes > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Though you qualify the statement, I do not regard it as any less a whine than the others (including my own). I don't have $3k+ to burn, and though I am glad you can solve your own personal problems that way, "I solved my connectivity problems by blowing tons of cash" doesn't help me at all. I want to hear a bit about connectivity issues here (DSL included) because that is something I wish to do with Linux. > > Admittedly, we've had enough "DSL woes" for a while, but I don't think I should have to "move where DSL is available" and I think that ( NoDSL == "boonies" ) is a silly thing to say and should be corrected. And I think it has. > > >>> blarson@crary.com 04/06/01 09:30AM >>> > SoapboxMode ON > > I've never seen such a group of whiners.... most of the messages the last few days > have been about the woes of DSL in the metropolitain areas... > > I've had to put have my DSL installed in another town and broadcast it across > country via wireless... (at my own expense). Start adding up the costs... > > $ 35 phone line at remote location /month > 60 DSL service / month > 2000 wireless Access Point capable of trx long distances (incl. ant.) > 700 Station Adapter (incl. ant.) > 100 ant lease at elevator > ??? Install ant. on top of grain elevator and cable > ------- > $2895 before I ever get to log on the net... > 95 every month there after > > This isn't a my story is worse than yours... It's GET A GRIP, solve your personal > problems > and move on to something more relevant to LINUX. > > SoapboxMode OFF > > >> Burnsville, for example, is something like half an hour south of me, > >> and I'm south of downtown; it's a *long* way out. > > >You must drive really slow. I can get into downtown Minneapolis or St. > >Paul in about 20 minutes. > > >Compared to where I lived in Maine and New York, this is definately not > >the boonies. If you're 20 minutes from an Interstate and a majority of > >your neighbors are farms or gravel pits, then you're in the boonies. > >You city slickers need to get out more. > > --__--__-- > > Message: 13 > Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 11:37:36 -0500 > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > From: Brady Hegberg > Subject: [TCLUG] modprobe eth0 fails after kernel upgrade > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > I'm using Redhat 6.0 and I upgraded my kernel to 2.2.17 using Redhat's RPMs > but now I get a message in my log that says: > > modprobe: can't locate module eth0 > > My modules.conf file has this line: > > alias eth0 3c59x > > I searched for the 3c59x file with no luck - though I did find the 3c59x.o > file. > What should I do? > > Thanks, > Brady > > --__--__-- > > Message: 14 > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] DSL woes > From: David Dyer-Bennet > Date: 06 Apr 2001 11:41:29 -0500 > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Nate Straz writes: > > > On Fri, Apr 06, 2001 at 01:23:59AM -0500, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > > > Nate Straz writes: > > > > Do you consider Burnsville and Eagan the boonies? It's not a problem of > > > > > > Yes, those are definitely the boonies. > > > > > > Burnsville, for example, is something like half an hour south of me, > > > and I'm south of downtown; it's a *long* way out. > > > > You must drive really slow. I can get into downtown Minneapolis or St. > > Paul in about 20 minutes. > > I rarely drive more than 5 or 10 mph over the limit. > > > Compared to where I lived in Maine and New York, this is definately not > > the boonies. If you're 20 minutes from an Interstate and a majority of > > your neighbors are farms or gravel pits, then you're in the boonies. > > You city slickers need to get out more. > > Why? Is there anything interesting there? > > :-) > -- > David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net > SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ > Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > End of tclug-list Digest -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: blarson.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 386 bytes Desc: Card for Bradley D. Larson Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010406/5dae277e/blarson.vcf From veldy at veldy.net Fri Apr 6 13:35:56 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] modprobe eth0 fails after kernel upgrade References: <4.2.0.58.20010406112926.00c2d8c0@mail.bitstream.net> Message-ID: <012e01c0bec8$6b8949f0$3028680a@tgt.com> /sbin/depmod -a /sbin/modprobe eth0 Tom Veldhouse ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brady Hegberg" To: Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 11:37 AM Subject: [TCLUG] modprobe eth0 fails after kernel upgrade > I'm using Redhat 6.0 and I upgraded my kernel to 2.2.17 using Redhat's RPMs > but now I get a message in my log that says: > > modprobe: can't locate module eth0 > > My modules.conf file has this line: > > alias eth0 3c59x > > I searched for the 3c59x file with no luck - though I did find the 3c59x.o > file. > What should I do? > > Thanks, > Brady > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Apr 6 13:50:34 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes In-Reply-To: <00e701c0beb1$090f2450$3028680a@tgt.com>; from veldy@veldy.net on Fri, Apr 06, 2001 at 10:48:33AM -0500 References: <3ACDE4FA.43EB7248@mninter.net> <00e701c0beb1$090f2450$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <20010406135033.E21670@ringworld.org> > don't know if the theory of DSL where the Money is applies. Incidentally, > DSL in Maple Grove is nearly non-existant. Again -- a blow to that theory. That isn't because of bad copper, its because Sprint was aggressive with DLC technology. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010406/33c1ea67/attachment.pgp From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Apr 6 14:11:40 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] modprobe eth0 fails after kernel upgrade Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10977F@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> He's probably using an old version of modutils. Upgrade your modutils package to be sure that it looks at modules.conf (conf.modules is depricated), and that it parses the file correctly. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Troy Johnson [mailto:Troy.A.Johnson@state.mn.us] > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 12:00 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] modprobe eth0 fails after kernel upgrade > > > Just a few more details: > > Which RPMs were installed for the kernel upgrade (list 'em)? > Where was 3c59x.o found? > > If I am not mistaken, "3c59x" is the name of the module, and > "3c59x.o" is the object file that contains this module. I > think the modules.conf syntax is correct, and if modprobe > could find the "3c59x.o" file it would load it (if it is > compiled for this kernel, but I think it would give you a > different message if that were the problem here). > > >>> bradyh@bitstream.net 04/06/01 11:37AM >>> > I'm using Redhat 6.0 and I upgraded my kernel to 2.2.17 using > Redhat's RPMs > but now I get a message in my log that says: > > modprobe: can't locate module eth0 > > My modules.conf file has this line: > > alias eth0 3c59x > > I searched for the 3c59x file with no luck - though I did > find the 3c59x.o > file. > What should I do? > > Thanks, > Brady > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From veldy at veldy.net Fri Apr 6 15:13:37 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL woes References: <3ACDE4FA.43EB7248@mninter.net> <00e701c0beb1$090f2450$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010406135033.E21670@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <019901c0bed6$1116a770$3028680a@tgt.com> Very true. Lots of fiber I do believe. MediaOne has filled the consumer void. No static IPs. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Dier" To: Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] DSL woes > don't know if the theory of DSL where the Money is applies. Incidentally, > DSL in Maple Grove is nearly non-existant. Again -- a blow to that theory. That isn't because of bad copper, its because Sprint was aggressive with DLC technology. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant From veldy at veldy.net Fri Apr 6 15:14:47 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] modprobe eth0 fails after kernel upgrade References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10977F@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <01a001c0bed6$3a899db0$3028680a@tgt.com> The dependencies have to be up to date. The usual symptom for the wrong version of modutils tends to be "unresolved symbols". Try the depmod -a instruction and then load your modules and see what happens. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Austad, Jay" To: Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 2:11 PM Subject: RE: [TCLUG] modprobe eth0 fails after kernel upgrade > He's probably using an old version of modutils. Upgrade your modutils > package to be sure that it looks at modules.conf (conf.modules is > depricated), and that it parses the file correctly. > > Jay > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Troy Johnson [mailto:Troy.A.Johnson@state.mn.us] > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 12:00 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] modprobe eth0 fails after kernel upgrade > > > > > > Just a few more details: > > > > Which RPMs were installed for the kernel upgrade (list 'em)? > > Where was 3c59x.o found? > > > > If I am not mistaken, "3c59x" is the name of the module, and > > "3c59x.o" is the object file that contains this module. I > > think the modules.conf syntax is correct, and if modprobe > > could find the "3c59x.o" file it would load it (if it is > > compiled for this kernel, but I think it would give you a > > different message if that were the problem here). > > > > >>> bradyh@bitstream.net 04/06/01 11:37AM >>> > > I'm using Redhat 6.0 and I upgraded my kernel to 2.2.17 using > > Redhat's RPMs > > but now I get a message in my log that says: > > > > modprobe: can't locate module eth0 > > > > My modules.conf file has this line: > > > > alias eth0 3c59x > > > > I searched for the 3c59x file with no luck - though I did > > find the 3c59x.o > > file. > > What should I do? > > > > Thanks, > > Brady > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tanner at real-time.com Fri Apr 6 21:45:38 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat program that let's you configure MD5, Long passwords? Message-ID: <20010406214538.A16443@real-time.com> You know when you install RedHat and the dialog program comes up that let's you select md5 and long password support? Anyone know they name of that program? Can it be re-run after installation? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Apr 6 23:41:49 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat program that let's you configure MD5, Long passwords? In-Reply-To: <20010406214538.A16443@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Fri, Apr 06, 2001 at 09:45:38PM -0500 References: <20010406214538.A16443@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010406234149.H21670@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [010406 22:27]: > You know when you install RedHat and the dialog program comes up that let's you > select md5 and long password support? Isn't long password support a side-effect of md5? -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010406/565d7c7e/attachment.pgp From jethro at freakzilla.com Sat Apr 7 00:00:12 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] debian on a Toshiba Tecra? Message-ID: Hey, Yes, I'm a debian user now (grrrrrrrrrrr) I'm trying to put debian on this Toshiba Tecra 8100. The CD won't boot, and I don't have a floppy on me. The CD boots on other machines and other CDs (Mandrake) boots on THIS machine. I've searched Google and I found some people asking about it a few months ago but the thread mutated into "My sound doesn't work". Anyone? -Yaron -- From florin at iucha.net Sat Apr 7 10:50:23 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Intel PCMCIA NIC Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi! I have a Intel PRO/100 Carbus II NIC for sale. It is in it's sealed box, never opened. It retails for $130. I ask $100. florin -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE6zzdINLPgdTuQ3+QRAuOeAJ9andPMd5GkIh08Ma8151KjDWwfUgCeM3oG E78SR8DZV5gYjPoO00P29tw= =qs4m -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From bradyh at bitstream.net Fri Apr 6 13:56:57 2001 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] modprobe eth0 fails after kernel upgrade In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20010406130610.00c2fcb0@mail.bitstream.net> I installed kernel-2.2.17-14.i386.rpm kernel-ibcs-2.2.17-14.i386.rpm kernel-pcmcia-cs-2.2.17-14.i386.rpm kernel-source-2.2.17-14.i386.rpm The instructions also said to install kernel-headers-2.2.17-14.i386.rpm but I couldn't find this file anywhere and I gathered it was only for compiling the kernel anyway. The 3c59x.o file is in /lib/modules/2.2.17-14/net/ do I need to point something towards this directory? >Just a few more details: > >Which RPMs were installed for the kernel upgrade (list 'em)? >Where was 3c59x.o found? > >If I am not mistaken, "3c59x" is the name of the module, and "3c59x.o" is >the object file that contains this module. I think the modules.conf syntax >is correct, and if modprobe could find the "3c59x.o" file it would load it >(if it is compiled for this kernel, but I think it would give you a >different message if that were the problem here). > > >>> bradyh@bitstream.net 04/06/01 11:37AM >>> >I'm using Redhat 6.0 and I upgraded my kernel to 2.2.17 using Redhat's RPMs >but now I get a message in my log that says: > > modprobe: can't locate module eth0 > >My modules.conf file has this line: > > alias eth0 3c59x > >I searched for the 3c59x file with no luck - though I did find the 3c59x.o >file. >What should I do? > >Thanks, >Brady >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mend0070 at umn.edu Fri Apr 6 14:22:29 2001 From: mend0070 at umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #857 - 14 msgs Message-ID: <200104061922.OAA32346@www4.mail.umn.edu> On 6 Apr 2001, Bradley D. Larson wrote: > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of tclug-list digest..." I think the assumption is that you've already edited the content when replying... :P Phil M From bradyh at bitstream.net Fri Apr 6 14:55:31 2001 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] modprobe eth0 fails after kernel upgrade In-Reply-To: <012e01c0bec8$6b8949f0$3028680a@tgt.com> References: <4.2.0.58.20010406112926.00c2d8c0@mail.bitstream.net> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20010406143548.00c2f440@mail.bitstream.net> I get "can't locate module eth0" after the modprobe command. So I tried "depmod /lib/modules/2.2.17-14/net/3c59x.o" and got the following 2 lines: /lib/modules/2.2.17-14/net/3c59x.o: unresolved symbol(s) /lib/modules/2.2.17-14/net/3c59x.o: Ummm...missing headers? >/sbin/depmod -a >/sbin/modprobe eth0 > >Tom Veldhouse > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Brady Hegberg" >To: >Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 11:37 AM >Subject: [TCLUG] modprobe eth0 fails after kernel upgrade > > > > I'm using Redhat 6.0 and I upgraded my kernel to 2.2.17 using Redhat's >RPMs > > but now I get a message in my log that says: > > > > modprobe: can't locate module eth0 > > > > My modules.conf file has this line: > > > > alias eth0 3c59x > > > > I searched for the 3c59x file with no luck - though I did find the 3c59x.o > > file. > > What should I do? > > > > Thanks, > > Brady > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bradyh at bitstream.net Fri Apr 6 17:08:09 2001 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] modprobe eth0 fails after kernel upgrade In-Reply-To: <01a001c0bed6$3a899db0$3028680a@tgt.com> References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10977F@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20010406164555.00c23410@mail.bitstream.net> I installed the newest version of modutils but now when I do a "depmod -a" I get depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.2.17-14/block/DAC960.o ... and so on for every module in every directory. Hmmm...I just checked dmesg and it says "Linux version 2.2.5-15..." but all the files in my /boot directory say 2.2.17-14. This is very confusing. >The dependencies have to be up to date. The usual symptom for the wrong >version of modutils tends to be "unresolved symbols". Try the depmod -a >instruction and then load your modules and see what happens. > >Tom Veldhouse >veldy@veldy.net > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Austad, Jay" >To: >Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 2:11 PM >Subject: RE: [TCLUG] modprobe eth0 fails after kernel upgrade > > > > He's probably using an old version of modutils. Upgrade your modutils > > package to be sure that it looks at modules.conf (conf.modules is > > depricated), and that it parses the file correctly. > > > > Jay > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Troy Johnson [mailto:Troy.A.Johnson@state.mn.us] > > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 12:00 PM > > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] modprobe eth0 fails after kernel upgrade > > > > > > > > > Just a few more details: > > > > > > Which RPMs were installed for the kernel upgrade (list 'em)? > > > Where was 3c59x.o found? > > > > > > If I am not mistaken, "3c59x" is the name of the module, and > > > "3c59x.o" is the object file that contains this module. I > > > think the modules.conf syntax is correct, and if modprobe > > > could find the "3c59x.o" file it would load it (if it is > > > compiled for this kernel, but I think it would give you a > > > different message if that were the problem here). > > > > > > >>> bradyh@bitstream.net 04/06/01 11:37AM >>> > > > I'm using Redhat 6.0 and I upgraded my kernel to 2.2.17 using > > > Redhat's RPMs > > > but now I get a message in my log that says: > > > > > > modprobe: can't locate module eth0 > > > > > > My modules.conf file has this line: > > > > > > alias eth0 3c59x > > > > > > I searched for the 3c59x file with no luck - though I did > > > find the 3c59x.o > > > file. > > > What should I do? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Brady From jethro at freakzilla.com Sat Apr 7 00:48:36 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] More debian on Tecra Message-ID: Hey, Ok, apparently I do have the floppy drive for whis laptop. The only boot image I found is on the CDROM at /install/root.bin. But that won't boot. I can't find anythgin useful on ftp.us.debian.org - where ARE the floppy images? -Yaron -- From austad at marketwatch.com Sat Apr 7 12:51:14 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] modprobe eth0 fails after kernel upgrade Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109789@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Check your lilo.conf and make sure you are booting the 2.2.17 kernel. If you need to modify it, you need to run /sbin/lilo again to make the changes to your MBR. > -----Original Message----- > From: Brady Hegberg [mailto:bradyh@bitstream.net] > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 5:08 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] modprobe eth0 fails after kernel upgrade > > > I installed the newest version of modutils but now when I do > a "depmod -a" > I get > > depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in > /lib/modules/2.2.17-14/block/DAC960.o > ... > and so on for every module in every directory. > > Hmmm...I just checked dmesg and it says "Linux version > 2.2.5-15..." but all > the files in my /boot directory say 2.2.17-14. This is very > confusing. > > >The dependencies have to be up to date. The usual symptom > for the wrong > >version of modutils tends to be "unresolved symbols". Try > the depmod -a > >instruction and then load your modules and see what happens. > > > >Tom Veldhouse > >veldy@veldy.net > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Austad, Jay" > >To: > >Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 2:11 PM > >Subject: RE: [TCLUG] modprobe eth0 fails after kernel upgrade > > > > > > > He's probably using an old version of modutils. Upgrade > your modutils > > > package to be sure that it looks at modules.conf (conf.modules is > > > depricated), and that it parses the file correctly. > > > > > > Jay > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Troy Johnson [mailto:Troy.A.Johnson@state.mn.us] > > > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 12:00 PM > > > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] modprobe eth0 fails after kernel upgrade > > > > > > > > > > > > Just a few more details: > > > > > > > > Which RPMs were installed for the kernel upgrade (list 'em)? > > > > Where was 3c59x.o found? > > > > > > > > If I am not mistaken, "3c59x" is the name of the module, and > > > > "3c59x.o" is the object file that contains this module. I > > > > think the modules.conf syntax is correct, and if modprobe > > > > could find the "3c59x.o" file it would load it (if it is > > > > compiled for this kernel, but I think it would give you a > > > > different message if that were the problem here). > > > > > > > > >>> bradyh@bitstream.net 04/06/01 11:37AM >>> > > > > I'm using Redhat 6.0 and I upgraded my kernel to 2.2.17 using > > > > Redhat's RPMs > > > > but now I get a message in my log that says: > > > > > > > > modprobe: can't locate module eth0 > > > > > > > > My modules.conf file has this line: > > > > > > > > alias eth0 3c59x > > > > > > > > I searched for the 3c59x file with no luck - though I did > > > > find the 3c59x.o > > > > file. > > > > What should I do? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Brady > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Sat Apr 7 13:53:23 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] More debian on Tecra In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 12:48:36AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010407135322.A169@baker.space.umn.edu> On Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 12:48:36AM -0500, Yaron wrote: > Hey, > > Ok, apparently I do have the floppy drive for whis laptop. The only boot > image I found is on the CDROM at /install/root.bin. > > But that won't boot. I can't find anythgin useful on ftp.us.debian.org - > where ARE the floppy images? The boot images are in the disks-i386 directory on the ftp mirrors (ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/debian/dists/potato/main/disks-i386/2.2.20.0.1-2000-12-03/). MY CDROM is occupied at the moment, so I can't double check what it is called on the CD. That should help you find it on the CD, though. -- Jim Crumley | crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | From blutgens at sistina.com Sat Apr 7 14:01:44 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat program that let's you configure MD5, Long passwords? In-Reply-To: <20010406214538.A16443@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Fri, Apr 06, 2001 at 09:45:38PM -0500 References: <20010406214538.A16443@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010407140144.A343@hermes.sistina.com> On Fri, Apr 06, 2001 at 09:45:38PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: >You know when you install RedHat and the dialog program comes up that let's you >select md5 and long password support? > >Anyone know they name of that program? setup > >Can it be re-run after installation? Yes. >-- >Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 >http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 >Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) $chown -R us.us yourbase -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010407/1ba66e42/attachment.pgp From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Sat Apr 7 15:50:37 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] More debian on Tecra In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 12:48:36AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010407155037.A19732@ringworld.org> * Yaron [010407 12:57]: > Hey, > > Ok, apparently I do have the floppy drive for whis laptop. The only boot > image I found is on the CDROM at /install/root.bin. > You might want to try the 'safe' image. ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/debian/dists/potato/main/disks-i386/2.2.20.0.1-2000-12-03/images-1.44/safe/README.txt -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The only boot > image I found is on the CDROM at /install/root.bin. > You might want to try the 'safe' image. ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/debian/dists/potato/main/disks-i386/2.2.20.0.1-2000-12-03/images-1.44/safe/README.txt -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Is that the correct image? -Yaron -- From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Sat Apr 7 17:07:08 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] More debian on Tecra In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 04:35:36PM -0500 References: <20010407135322.A169@baker.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010407170708.A403@baker.space.umn.edu> On Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 04:35:36PM -0500, Yaron wrote: > Hi, > > On Sat, 7 Apr 2001, Jim Crumley wrote: > > > The boot images are in the disks-i386 directory on the ftp mirrors > > (ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/debian/dists/potato/main/disks-i386/2.2.20.0.1-2000-12-03/). > > MY CDROM is occupied at the moment, so I can't double check what > > it is called on the CD. That should help you find it on the CD, though. > > Well, I see a lot of base-*.bin and drivers-*.bin. The only thing that > looks kinda like a boot image is root.bin, which is on the CDROM but > didn't work (and I don't have any other machines with a floppy to check). > > Is that the correct image? > Sorry, left out the most important part. The boot images are rescue.bin - they function as boot disks and rescue disks. -- Jim Crumley | crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | From tanner at real-time.com Sat Apr 7 17:59:22 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ftp.mn-linux.org Message-ID: <20010407175922.E11119@real-time.com> ftp.mn-linux.org is back online. Redhat mirror is out of sync, but it's working on it. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Mon Apr 2 19:04:49 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Snowhite :This is getting annoying! In-Reply-To: ; from mkroska@readynetgo.com on Mon, Apr 02, 2001 at 04:33:31PM -0500 References: <200104021541.LAA10761@radius8.mohaveaz.com> Message-ID: <20010402190449.E9496@real-time.com> Quoting Mark K (mkroska@readynetgo.com): > > OK, check your antivirus software...I've gotten this message 5 times today > from the list. > > ?!@$! How about I deny all postings from Outlook MUAs? This is a linux mailing list after all? :-) -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From veldy at veldy.net Sat Apr 7 18:17:44 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GPGP and PGP Message-ID: Does anybody know how to import the keyring generated by GnuPGP into the NAI version of the Windows PGP client? I would like to use GPGP for everything in general, but I like the Integration of PGP into Outlook that the NAI version supplies for Windows use. Thanks! Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net From tanner at real-time.com Mon Apr 2 19:04:49 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Snowhite :This is getting annoying! In-Reply-To: ; from mkroska@readynetgo.com on Mon, Apr 02, 2001 at 04:33:31PM -0500 References: <200104021541.LAA10761@radius8.mohaveaz.com> Message-ID: <20010402190449.E9496@real-time.com> Quoting Mark K (mkroska@readynetgo.com): > > OK, check your antivirus software...I've gotten this message 5 times today > from the list. > > ?!@$! How about I deny all postings from Outlook MUAs? This is a linux mailing list after all? :-) -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From veldy at veldy.net Tue Apr 3 07:41:00 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Snowhite and the Seven Dwarfs - The REAL story! References: <200104021541.LAA10749@radius8.mohaveaz.com> <20010402160849.A641@real-time.com> Message-ID: <006601c0bc3b$56c46de0$3028680a@tgt.com> Are you stopping based upon attachment -- or subject? I have a test list running on my machine, but the simple rules in Mailman won't filter on "body" content. I am not sure how to configure postfix to use procmail on a global level (versus an individual level). Any hints? Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Tanner" To: Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Snowhite and the Seven Dwarfs - The REAL story! > Quoting Hahaha (hahaha@sexyfun.net): > > Today, Snowhite was turning 18. The 7 Dwarfs always where very educated and > > polite with Snowhite. When they go out work at mornign, they promissed a > > *huge* surprise. Snowhite was anxious. Suddlently, the door open, and the > > Seven Dwarfs enter... > > I put a procmail rule in to stop this. > > > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From andyzib at ringworld.org Sat Apr 7 01:51:31 2001 From: andyzib at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] debian on a Toshiba Tecra? References: Message-ID: <3ACEB8F3.7212E47A@ringworld.org> did you check your md5sum before you burned the CD? Maybe the cdrom on the thing is extremely picky. :) -- | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | | This message is protected by double ROT13 | | encryption. Any attempt to circumvent the | | digital protection is banned by the DMCA. | From bradyh at bitstream.net Sat Apr 7 09:08:49 2001 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (brady) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] modprobe fails after kernel upgrade Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20010407083755.00a6fc00@mail.bitstream.net> When I reply to messages (at least it seems for a thread that I initiated) they don't make it through. I sent a couple more messages yesterday about my problem and they never showed up - either in my email or on the archives. I updated my modutils package to the latest but it didn't seem to help. I'm not at that machine right now but as I recall it was trying to access the modules in the directory for my old kernel. I put a path statement in my modules.conf pointing to the new directory (/lib/modules/2.2.17-14) but then I just got an "Unresolved symbols" error for every module in the directory. I noticed that dmesg says my kernel version is still 2.2.5-15 though the files in my /boot directory all say 2.2.17-14. Is there a way to tell for sure what kernel version I'm actually booting? Thanks, Brady ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~ "Since we're going to die anyway we might as well be thinking something really stupid." - Nothing Man (leader of the "Brotherhood of Dada") From nate at techie.com Sat Apr 7 09:32:04 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] debian on a Toshiba Tecra? In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 12:00:12AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010407093203.A24455@candle.dyn.dhs.org> On Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 12:00:12AM -0500, Yaron wrote: > I'm trying to put debian on this Toshiba Tecra 8100. The CD won't boot, > and I don't have a floppy on me. The CD boots on other machines and other > CDs (Mandrake) boots on THIS machine. What size boot image does the Mandrake CD use? Debian uses a 2.88M image on their CDs. Maybe your laptop can only read 1.44M images, even from CD. You could try making a CD with the 1.44M boot floppy to see if you can get the machine to boot off that. It won't get you installed, but it will tell you what is possible with that laptop. Nate From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Sat Apr 7 10:19:58 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] debian on a Toshiba Tecra? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 7 Apr 2001, Yaron wrote: > Yes, I'm a debian user now (grrrrrrrrrrr) Grrrr? I thought you were supposed to smile knowingly when you said that. > I'm trying to put debian on this Toshiba Tecra 8100. The CD won't boot, > and I don't have a floppy on me. The CD boots on other machines and other > CDs (Mandrake) boots on THIS machine. You don't have another machine to make the floppy from the CD? That's what I'd do, if I just wanted to get up on my feet. Cheers, Phil M -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From ksm at dogbrain.com Sat Apr 7 10:29:30 2001 From: ksm at dogbrain.com (Karl Morgan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat program that let's you configure MD5, Long passwords? In-Reply-To: <20010406214538.A16443@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Fri, Apr 06, 2001 at 09:45:38PM -0500 References: <20010406214538.A16443@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010407102929.A4292@dogbrain.com> On Fri, Apr 06, 2001 at 09:45:38PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > select md5 and long password support? > > Anyone know they name of that program? authconfig > Can it be re-run after installation? yes, see also pwconv. I'm not sure how authconfig handles existing accounts and suspect that you will have to reset them (passwd's) after converting. Regards - Karl From tanner at real-time.com Sat Apr 7 10:30:39 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tcfreenet.org no mx? Message-ID: <20010407103039.B11119@real-time.com> nslookup Default Server: ns.real-time.com Address: 65.193.16.1 > set type=mx > tcfreenet.org Server: ns.real-time.com Address: 65.193.16.1 *** ns.real-time.com can't find tcfreenet.org: Non-existent host/domain Death to tcfreenet.org? $ traceroute 206.8.96.2 traceroute to 206.8.96.2 (206.8.96.2), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets 1 e2-3-core-1 (65.193.16.254) 0.484 ms 0.399 ms 0.346 ms 2 124.ATM3-0.GW4.MSP1.ALTER.NET (157.130.104.177) 16.410 ms 46.987 ms 47.634 ms 3 110.at-2-0-0.XR1.CHI4.ALTER.NET (152.63.67.98) 40.609 ms 39.903 ms 40.310 ms 4 191.ATM5-0.GW6.MSP1.ALTER.NET (152.63.69.17) 40.910 ms 49.511 ms 64.760 ms 5 onvoy-gw.customer.alter.net (157.130.111.110) 57.321 ms 88.620 ms 82.868 ms 6 core1-so0-2-0.upp.mr.net (137.192.5.17) 101.435 ms 97.909 ms 45.190 ms 7 border36.upp.mr.net (204.220.31.36) 16.673 ms 15.930 ms 24.487 ms 8 * * -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Sat Apr 7 10:33:42 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] death of k-lug.com? Message-ID: <20010407103342.C11119@real-time.com> nslookup Default Server: ns.real-time.com Address: 65.193.16.1 > set type=mx > k-lug.com Server: ns.real-time.com Address: 65.193.16.1 *** ns.real-time.com can't find k-lug.com: Non-existent host/domain -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Sat Apr 7 19:08:09 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slow mailman, postfix and sendmail Message-ID: <20010407190809.A3091@real-time.com> Ok, I think I got to sendmail tweaked to help on the slowness of "mailman", which is really a slowness of sendmail. I'll run this configure for a couple days and see if it helps. If not, I got a postfix rpm ready to go. I fixed the slowness with these sendmail options: define(`confTO_INITIAL', `2m')dnl define(`confTO_CONNECT', `2m')dnl define(`confTO_ICONNECT', `2m')dnl define(`confTO_HELO', `2m')dnl define(`confTO_RCPT', `2m')dnl define(`confTO_QUEUERETURN', `1h')dnl define(`confTO_QUEUEWARN', `30m')dnl Removed the FEATURE(`relay_based_on_MX') options. See your README.cf for details. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Sat Apr 7 19:51:11 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat program that let's you configure MD5, Long passwords? In-Reply-To: <20010407102929.A4292@dogbrain.com>; from ksm@dogbrain.com on Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 10:29:30AM -0500 References: <20010406214538.A16443@real-time.com> <20010407102929.A4292@dogbrain.com> Message-ID: <20010407195111.B3091@real-time.com> Quoting Karl Morgan (ksm@dogbrain.com): > On Fri, Apr 06, 2001 at 09:45:38PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > > select md5 and long password support? > > > > Anyone know they name of that program? > > authconfig > > > Can it be re-run after installation? > > yes, see also pwconv. I'm not sure how authconfig handles > existing accounts and suspect that you will have to reset > them (passwd's) after converting. Both authconfig and setup works. Thanks. I swear when I installed my 7.0 machine I had the option of kerberos. But when I run authconfig I get NIS, LDAP and Hesiod, I do not even remember Hesiod as an option when I installed. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Sat Apr 7 18:50:26 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Snowhite and the Seven Dwarfs - The REAL story! In-Reply-To: <006601c0bc3b$56c46de0$3028680a@tgt.com>; from veldy@veldy.net on Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 07:41:00AM -0500 References: <200104021541.LAA10749@radius8.mohaveaz.com> <20010402160849.A641@real-time.com> <006601c0bc3b$56c46de0$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <20010407185026.B19732@ringworld.org> * Thomas T. Veldhouse [010407 18:42]: > Are you stopping based upon attachment -- or subject? I have a test list > running on my machine, but the simple rules in Mailman won't filter on > "body" content. I am not sure how to configure postfix to use procmail on a > global level (versus an individual level). Any hints? destiny:/etc/postfix> grep procmail * main.cf:mailbox_command = /usr/bin/procmail -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010407/2d7a3071/attachment.pgp From blutgens at sistina.com Sat Apr 7 19:20:36 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Snowhite :This is getting annoying! In-Reply-To: <20010402190449.E9496@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Mon, Apr 02, 2001 at 07:04:49PM -0500 References: <200104021541.LAA10761@radius8.mohaveaz.com> <20010402190449.E9496@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010407192036.A1086@hermes.sistina.com> On Mon, Apr 02, 2001 at 07:04:49PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: >Quoting Mark K (mkroska@readynetgo.com): >> >> OK, check your antivirus software...I've gotten this message 5 times today >> from the list. >> >> ?!@$! > >How about I deny all postings from Outlook MUAs? > >This is a linux mailing list after all? a procmail filter that sends everything with X-Mailer set to anything from MS > >:-) >-- >Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 >http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 >Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. 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From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Sat Apr 7 21:31:57 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Boxed Linux Games In-Reply-To: <3ACFC6DE.F8A17C89@innominatus.com>; from jasonj@innominatus.com on Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 09:03:10PM -0500 References: <3ACFC6DE.F8A17C89@innominatus.com> Message-ID: <20010407213157.C19732@ringworld.org> * Jason J [010407 21:04]: > Any place local to buy boxed linux games? Microcenter has some of them sometimes. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010407/761e5644/attachment.pgp From andy at theasis.com Sat Apr 7 22:50:17 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Boxed Linux Games In-Reply-To: <3ACFC6DE.F8A17C89@innominatus.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 7 Apr 2001, Jason J wrote: > Any place local to buy boxed linux games? Electronics Boutique Andy From andy at theasis.com Sat Apr 7 23:00:40 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Urgent -- need to borrow ISDN router Message-ID: My 3-yr old ISDN router just spat the dummy -- won't find the line anymore after last nite's storm. I had a tech test every part of the link and it was good right up to the phone line coming into the router. Damn. Does someone have an ISDN router they can spare for a few days while I await delivery of a new one? If so, please contact me off-list andy@theasis.com. I'll happily drive somewhere in the TC area to retrieve it. Thanks very much, Andy PS -- I'd consider buying a used one if you have it, but currently have a line on a Cisco 804; still waiting verification on that. From jpschewe at mtu.net Sun Apr 8 00:18:44 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tcfreenet.org no mx? In-Reply-To: Bob Tanner's message of "Sat, 7 Apr 2001 10:30:39 -0500" References: <20010407103039.B11119@real-time.com> Message-ID: I know the freenet switched servers this weekend, perhaps they're not back up yet, or the DNS hasn't propagated. Bob Tanner writes: > nslookup > Default Server: ns.real-time.com > Address: 65.193.16.1 > > > set type=mx > > tcfreenet.org > Server: ns.real-time.com > Address: 65.193.16.1 > > *** ns.real-time.com can't find tcfreenet.org: Non-existent host/domain > > Death to tcfreenet.org? > > $ traceroute 206.8.96.2 > traceroute to 206.8.96.2 (206.8.96.2), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets > 1 e2-3-core-1 (65.193.16.254) 0.484 ms 0.399 ms 0.346 ms > 2 124.ATM3-0.GW4.MSP1.ALTER.NET (157.130.104.177) 16.410 ms 46.987 ms > 47.634 ms > 3 110.at-2-0-0.XR1.CHI4.ALTER.NET (152.63.67.98) 40.609 ms 39.903 ms 40.310 > ms > 4 191.ATM5-0.GW6.MSP1.ALTER.NET (152.63.69.17) 40.910 ms 49.511 ms 64.760 > ms > 5 onvoy-gw.customer.alter.net (157.130.111.110) 57.321 ms 88.620 ms 82.868 > ms > 6 core1-so0-2-0.upp.mr.net (137.192.5.17) 101.435 ms 97.909 ms 45.190 ms > 7 border36.upp.mr.net (204.220.31.36) 16.673 ms 15.930 ms 24.487 ms > 8 * * > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From tanner at real-time.com Sun Apr 8 01:14:57 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tcfreenet.org no mx? In-Reply-To: ; from jpschewe@mtu.net on Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 12:18:44AM -0500 References: <20010407103039.B11119@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010408011457.E3091@real-time.com> Quoting Jon Schewe (jpschewe@mtu.net): > I know the freenet switched servers this weekend, perhaps they're not back up > yet, or the DNS hasn't propagated. Then those smucks at Onvoy don't do their job. nslookup Default Server: ns.real-time.com Address: 65.193.16.1 > 206.9.64.104 Server: ns.real-time.com Address: 65.193.16.1 Name: ns2.onvoy.net Address: 206.9.64.104 > set type=mx > tcfreenet.org Server: ns.real-time.com Address: 65.193.16.1 *** ns.real-time.com can't find tcfreenet.org: Non-existent host/domain > They are salve for the domain. Sheesh I miss the days of MrNet. I guess some blame should go to the tcfreenet dudes from not checking their slaves before a move. > > Bob Tanner writes: > > > nslookup > > Default Server: ns.real-time.com > > Address: 65.193.16.1 > > > > > set type=mx > > > tcfreenet.org > > Server: ns.real-time.com > > Address: 65.193.16.1 > > > > *** ns.real-time.com can't find tcfreenet.org: Non-existent host/domain > > > > Death to tcfreenet.org? > > > > $ traceroute 206.8.96.2 > > traceroute to 206.8.96.2 (206.8.96.2), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets > > 1 e2-3-core-1 (65.193.16.254) 0.484 ms 0.399 ms 0.346 ms > > 2 124.ATM3-0.GW4.MSP1.ALTER.NET (157.130.104.177) 16.410 ms 46.987 ms > > 47.634 ms > > 3 110.at-2-0-0.XR1.CHI4.ALTER.NET (152.63.67.98) 40.609 ms 39.903 ms 40.310 > > ms > > 4 191.ATM5-0.GW6.MSP1.ALTER.NET (152.63.69.17) 40.910 ms 49.511 ms 64.760 > > ms > > 5 onvoy-gw.customer.alter.net (157.130.111.110) 57.321 ms 88.620 ms 82.868 > > ms > > 6 core1-so0-2-0.upp.mr.net (137.192.5.17) 101.435 ms 97.909 ms 45.190 ms > > 7 border36.upp.mr.net (204.220.31.36) 16.673 ms 15.930 ms 24.487 ms > > 8 * * > > > > -- > > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From nate at nerp.net Sun Apr 8 02:41:26 2001 From: nate at nerp.net (Nate Sanders) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tcfreenet.org no mx? References: <20010407103039.B11119@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3AD01626.717A44AD@nerp.net> The tcfreenet moved over to my work at Infinity AccessNET last friday, I was not there that day but I have heard it didn't go online as quickly as the planned. Either that or it is just DNS issues. Bob Tanner wrote: > nslookup > Default Server: ns.real-time.com > Address: 65.193.16.1 > > > set type=mx > > tcfreenet.org > Server: ns.real-time.com > Address: 65.193.16.1 > > *** ns.real-time.com can't find tcfreenet.org: Non-existent host/domain > > Death to tcfreenet.org? > > $ traceroute 206.8.96.2 > traceroute to 206.8.96.2 (206.8.96.2), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets > 1 e2-3-core-1 (65.193.16.254) 0.484 ms 0.399 ms 0.346 ms > 2 124.ATM3-0.GW4.MSP1.ALTER.NET (157.130.104.177) 16.410 ms 46.987 ms > 47.634 ms > 3 110.at-2-0-0.XR1.CHI4.ALTER.NET (152.63.67.98) 40.609 ms 39.903 ms 40.310 > ms > 4 191.ATM5-0.GW6.MSP1.ALTER.NET (152.63.69.17) 40.910 ms 49.511 ms 64.760 > ms > 5 onvoy-gw.customer.alter.net (157.130.111.110) 57.321 ms 88.620 ms 82.868 > ms > 6 core1-so0-2-0.upp.mr.net (137.192.5.17) 101.435 ms 97.909 ms 45.190 ms > 7 border36.upp.mr.net (204.220.31.36) 16.673 ms 15.930 ms 24.487 ms > 8 * * > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Nate Sanders nate@chef.nerp.net http://www.damnation.net IRC: darkskull@NEWNET From nate at nerp.net Sun Apr 8 02:47:42 2001 From: nate at nerp.net (Nate Sanders) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tcfreenet.org no mx? References: <20010407103039.B11119@real-time.com> <3AD01626.717A44AD@nerp.net> Message-ID: <3AD0179E.50313CD9@nerp.net> Yeah it is online: Name: tcfreenet.org Address: 209.134.138.212 PING tcfreenet.org: 56 data bytes 64 bytes from tcfreenet.org (209.134.138.212): icmp_seq=0. time=0. ms 64 bytes from tcfreenet.org (209.134.138.212): icmp_seq=1. time=0. ms Nate Sanders wrote: > The tcfreenet moved over to my work at Infinity AccessNET last friday, I was not > there that day but I have heard it didn't go online as quickly as the planned. > Either that or it is just DNS issues. > > Bob Tanner wrote: > > > nslookup > > Default Server: ns.real-time.com > > Address: 65.193.16.1 > > > > > set type=mx > > > tcfreenet.org > > Server: ns.real-time.com > > Address: 65.193.16.1 > > > > *** ns.real-time.com can't find tcfreenet.org: Non-existent host/domain > > > > Death to tcfreenet.org? > > > > $ traceroute 206.8.96.2 > > traceroute to 206.8.96.2 (206.8.96.2), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets > > 1 e2-3-core-1 (65.193.16.254) 0.484 ms 0.399 ms 0.346 ms > > 2 124.ATM3-0.GW4.MSP1.ALTER.NET (157.130.104.177) 16.410 ms 46.987 ms > > 47.634 ms > > 3 110.at-2-0-0.XR1.CHI4.ALTER.NET (152.63.67.98) 40.609 ms 39.903 ms 40.310 > > ms > > 4 191.ATM5-0.GW6.MSP1.ALTER.NET (152.63.69.17) 40.910 ms 49.511 ms 64.760 > > ms > > 5 onvoy-gw.customer.alter.net (157.130.111.110) 57.321 ms 88.620 ms 82.868 > > ms > > 6 core1-so0-2-0.upp.mr.net (137.192.5.17) 101.435 ms 97.909 ms 45.190 ms > > 7 border36.upp.mr.net (204.220.31.36) 16.673 ms 15.930 ms 24.487 ms > > 8 * * > > > > -- > > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- > Nate Sanders nate@chef.nerp.net > http://www.damnation.net IRC: darkskull@NEWNET > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Nate Sanders nate@chef.nerp.net http://www.damnation.net IRC: darkskull@NEWNET From aton at skyenet.net Sun Apr 8 07:35:47 2001 From: aton at skyenet.net (Aton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] XServer is not installed - help Message-ID: <200104081229.f38CTil28404@pop.skyenet.net> I recently had to swap out video cards on one machine that I was running RH 7.0 on. I did a full install, but when I went to rerun Xconfigurator to setup the video card, it detects the new card (an ATI Rage 128), but tells me the Xserver for that card isn't found and it aborts. I did a locate on my drive and came up with nothing. How do I install additional Xservers after I installed X? Thanks, J. From aton at skyenet.net Sun Apr 8 07:49:45 2001 From: aton at skyenet.net (Aton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: <200104081243.f38Chbl00925@pop.skyenet.net> I tried several times to get ipmasqadm to work correctly and it never did. My best suggestion would be to upgrade from the 2.2.x kernel you're on now to 2.4.x and install iptables. The syntax is similar to ipchains, and its the way things are going (ie ipchains will be obsolete soon). once you upgraded you're need to run the following: iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -p tcp -d 192.168.1.105 --dport 110 -j DNAT --to 203.101.33.9 iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -p udp -d 192.168.1.105 --dport 110 -j DNAT --to 203.101.33.9 (I'm not sure if POP uses UDP, but just to be safe, you might want to add it as a rule). That would do it for ya. ftp://ftp.us.kernel.org for 2.4.3 kernel http://netfilter.samba.org for the latest and greatest iptables 1.2.1a BTW: The telnet session should work as a test, regardless if the MAC actually has a telnet server running (as a previous message stated). You can talk directly to any port using telnet to see if its there. Later, Aton Message: 1 Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 18:29:54 -0700 (PDT) From: A J To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] RE: PORT FORWARING Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org --0-1957747793-986347794=:39004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi there, I'm trying to get the LAN reading the POP mail from an external machine via port forwarding, but have no luck so far. My Linux RHL7 has 2 network adapters 203.101.33.177 (eth1) extrenal and 192.168.1.105 (eth0) internal Users on LAN have their workstations on 192.168.1.* network number. The POP server itselft where users have their acounts gets all mail downloaded to it is on MAC and is on 203.101.33.9 All I need is to make users from 192.168.1.* to connect to 192.168.1.105 (Linux box internal address) and then to make linux to forward connection to 203.101.33.9 (Mac POP Server) so it's some sort of proxy. I have tried this on Linux BOX ipmasqadm portfw -a -P tcp -L 192.168.1.105 110 -R 203.101.33.9 110 then I to telnet from my LAN telnet 192.168.0.105 110 and I expect to have response from MAC POP server But it says 'Unable to connect to host" What am I doing wrong? Is there any other solutions to this? Thank you very much in advance Arthur From 0965-111-369 at real-time.com Sun Apr 8 08:27:13 2001 From: 0965-111-369 at real-time.com (0965-111-369@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] =?big5?Q?=A4@=B9=EF=A4@=BF=CB=B1K=B9=EF=BD=CD?= Message-ID: <200104081327.f38DRBt08536@sprite.real-time.com> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative From esper at sherohman.org Sun Apr 8 08:49:59 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Boxed Linux Games In-Reply-To: <3ACFC6DE.F8A17C89@innominatus.com>; from jasonj@innominatus.com on Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 09:03:10PM -0500 References: <3ACFC6DE.F8A17C89@innominatus.com> Message-ID: <20010408084959.B12693@sherohman.org> On Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 09:03:10PM -0500, Jason J wrote: > Any place local to buy boxed linux games? Microcenter carries probably about half of the ones that are out so far. The Electronics Boutique (on 1st floor - not the EBX on third) used to carry them, but I haven't seen anything linux-related there for a couple months now. -- Linux will do for applications what the Internet did for networks. - IBM, "Peace, Love, and Linux" Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From jpschewe at mtu.net Sun Apr 8 09:58:52 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tcfreenet.org no mx? In-Reply-To: Bob Tanner's message of "Sun, 8 Apr 2001 01:14:57 -0500" References: <20010407103039.B11119@real-time.com> <20010408011457.E3091@real-time.com> Message-ID: The freenet has been having some real problems with Onvoy's service, especially the DNS, this is why they're moving. Bob Tanner writes: > Quoting Jon Schewe (jpschewe@mtu.net): > > I know the freenet switched servers this weekend, perhaps they're not back up > > yet, or the DNS hasn't propagated. > > Then those smucks at Onvoy don't do their job. > > nslookup > Default Server: ns.real-time.com > Address: 65.193.16.1 > > > 206.9.64.104 > Server: ns.real-time.com > Address: 65.193.16.1 > > Name: ns2.onvoy.net > Address: 206.9.64.104 > > > set type=mx > > tcfreenet.org > Server: ns.real-time.com > Address: 65.193.16.1 > > *** ns.real-time.com can't find tcfreenet.org: Non-existent host/domain > > > > They are salve for the domain. Sheesh I miss the days of MrNet. > > I guess some blame should go to the tcfreenet dudes from not checking their > slaves before a move. > -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From dloesl at frontiernet.net Sun Apr 8 10:25:25 2001 From: dloesl at frontiernet.net (Donna Loesl) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] stopping www.gohip.com on computer Message-ID: <000a01c0c040$24941ba0$92ae82d1@computer> I Have http://www.gohip.com that keeps comming up on my computer. I tried to delete it and the next time I open my computer it comes up again. How can I get it to stop? dloesl@froniternet.nte -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010408/d732b3ff/attachment.pgp From austad at marketwatch.com Sun Apr 8 11:55:27 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] stopping www.gohip.com on computer Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10978B@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> >>X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Install Linux. :) -----Original Message----- From: Donna Loesl [mailto:dloesl@frontiernet.net] Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 10:25 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] stopping www.gohip.com on computer I Have http://www.gohip.com that keeps comming up on my computer. I tried to delete it and the next time I open my computer it comes up again. How can I get it to stop? dloesl@froniternet.nte From nate at nerp.net Sun Apr 8 12:31:10 2001 From: nate at nerp.net (Nate Sanders) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) References: <200104081243.f38Chbl00925@pop.skyenet.net> Message-ID: <3AD0A05E.8675616D@nerp.net> I have a question on Iptables. I have yet to even get it to install correctly. I've done it from src, deb's, and rpm's. None of them work right. modprobe: Can't locate module ip_tables iptables v1.2.1: can't initialize iptables table `filter': iptables who? (do you need to insmod?) Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded. So I need to load the module.. Ok, where is it? I even had a friend who tried to install this as well. He had this same problem. He never did find the module it wants.. Aton wrote: > I tried several times to get ipmasqadm to work correctly and it never did. > My best suggestion would be to upgrade from the 2.2.x kernel you're on now > to 2.4.x and install iptables. The syntax is similar to ipchains, and its > the way things are going (ie ipchains will be obsolete soon). > > once you upgraded you're need to run the following: > > iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -p tcp -d 192.168.1.105 --dport 110 -j DNAT > --to 203.101.33.9 > iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -p udp -d 192.168.1.105 --dport 110 -j DNAT > --to 203.101.33.9 > > (I'm not sure if POP uses UDP, but just to be safe, you might want to add > it as a rule). > > That would do it for ya. > > ftp://ftp.us.kernel.org for 2.4.3 kernel > http://netfilter.samba.org for the latest and greatest iptables 1.2.1a > > BTW: The telnet session should work as a test, regardless if the MAC > actually has a telnet server running (as a previous message stated). You > can talk directly to any port using telnet to see if its there. > > Later, > Aton > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 18:29:54 -0700 (PDT) > From: A J > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] RE: PORT FORWARING > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > --0-1957747793-986347794=:39004 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hi there, > I'm trying to get the LAN reading the POP mail from an external machine via > port forwarding, but have no luck so far. > My Linux RHL7 has 2 network adapters 203.101.33.177 (eth1) extrenal and > 192.168.1.105 (eth0) internal > Users on LAN have their workstations on 192.168.1.* network number. > The POP server itselft where users have their acounts gets all mail > downloaded to it is on MAC and is on 203.101.33.9 > All I need is to make users from 192.168.1.* to connect to 192.168.1.105 > (Linux box internal address) and then to make linux to forward connection > to 203.101.33.9 (Mac POP Server) so it's some sort of proxy. > I have tried this on Linux BOX > ipmasqadm portfw -a -P tcp -L 192.168.1.105 110 -R 203.101.33.9 110 > then I to telnet from my LAN > telnet 192.168.0.105 110 > and I expect to have response from MAC POP server > But it says 'Unable to connect to host" > What am I doing wrong? Is there any other solutions to this? > Thank you very much in advance > Arthur > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Nate Sanders nate@chef.nerp.net http://www.damnation.net IRC: darkskull@NEWNET From austad at marketwatch.com Sun Apr 8 13:23:25 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cases Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10978C@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> This has probably come up before, but where is a good place to buy good cases? I don't want anymore hospital beige color cases, I need black, gray or aluminum. Is there anyplace here in the twin cities that has cool cases? Coolermaster (http://www.coolermaster.com) makes some cool cases, but they are expensive, around $300 for a mid-tower with powersupply, but no one around here sells them I don't think. I saw them at Fry's electronics in Palo Alto (we need a Fry's here). Case outlet (http://www.caseoutlet.com), check out the black Yeong Yang cube server. It's only 13 inches high though, seems kinda small. Argh. I'd like to get something here in town so I don't have to pay shipping, but as far as I know, everyplace around here has crappy cases. Jay From ben at nerp.net Sun Apr 8 13:33:56 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cases In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10978C@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: they used to carry custom painted cases at dexis, but I havn't seen any recently.. best bet is going to buy online.. never seen anything good intown.. maybe renaissance.. that's about it (and you're going to pay a lot for those) Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Sun, 8 Apr 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > This has probably come up before, but where is a good place to buy good > cases? I don't want anymore hospital beige color cases, I need black, gray > or aluminum. Is there anyplace here in the twin cities that has cool cases? > > Coolermaster (http://www.coolermaster.com) makes some cool cases, but they > are expensive, around $300 for a mid-tower with powersupply, but no one > around here sells them I don't think. I saw them at Fry's electronics in > Palo Alto (we need a Fry's here). Case outlet (http://www.caseoutlet.com), > check out the black Yeong Yang cube server. It's only 13 inches high > though, seems kinda small. > > Argh. I'd like to get something here in town so I don't have to pay > shipping, but as far as I know, everyplace around here has crappy cases. > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From nate at techie.com Sun Apr 8 13:59:24 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cases In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10978C@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 01:23:25PM -0500 References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10978C@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010408135923.A3359@candle.dyn.dhs.org> On Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 01:23:25PM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > This has probably come up before, but where is a good place to buy good > cases? I don't want anymore hospital beige color cases, I need black, gray > or aluminum. Is there anyplace here in the twin cities that has cool cases? The best place I found to buy non-Inwin/AOpen cases was www.a-pro.com. They have the largest selection of cases I've ever seen. They also have reviews and motherboard compatibility charts to go with them. Nate From jethro at freakzilla.com Sun Apr 8 14:03:34 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cases In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10978C@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: Hi, On Sun, 8 Apr 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > This has probably come up before, but where is a good place to buy good > cases? I don't want anymore hospital beige color cases, I need black, gray > or aluminum. Is there anyplace here in the twin cities that has cool cases? (A) Tran Micro have some decent non-beige cases. (B) Home Depot has paint (: and it's even warm enough now ot spraypaint. -Yaron -- From labmat at mn.mediaone.net Sun Apr 8 14:09:35 2001 From: labmat at mn.mediaone.net (Matthew LaBerge) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cases In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10978C@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: Paint one yourself, thats what i did, if you need ideas go to www.virtualhideout.net -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Austad, Jay Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 1:23 PM To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' Subject: [TCLUG] cases This has probably come up before, but where is a good place to buy good cases? I don't want anymore hospital beige color cases, I need black, gray or aluminum. Is there anyplace here in the twin cities that has cool cases? Coolermaster (http://www.coolermaster.com) makes some cool cases, but they are expensive, around $300 for a mid-tower with powersupply, but no one around here sells them I don't think. I saw them at Fry's electronics in Palo Alto (we need a Fry's here). Case outlet (http://www.caseoutlet.com), check out the black Yeong Yang cube server. It's only 13 inches high though, seems kinda small. Argh. I'd like to get something here in town so I don't have to pay shipping, but as far as I know, everyplace around here has crappy cases. Jay _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ben at nerp.net Sun Apr 8 14:13:01 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cases In-Reply-To: <20010408135923.A3359@candle.dyn.dhs.org> Message-ID: eh.. that's not so cool.. how about this one: www.colorcase.com :) Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Sun, 8 Apr 2001, Nate Straz wrote: > On Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 01:23:25PM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > > This has probably come up before, but where is a good place to buy good > > cases? I don't want anymore hospital beige color cases, I need black, gray > > or aluminum. Is there anyplace here in the twin cities that has cool cases? > > The best place I found to buy non-Inwin/AOpen cases was www.a-pro.com. > They have the largest selection of cases I've ever seen. They also have > reviews and motherboard compatibility charts to go with them. > > Nate > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From nate at techie.com Sun Apr 8 14:31:28 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cases In-Reply-To: ; from ben@nerp.net on Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 02:13:01PM -0500 References: <20010408135923.A3359@candle.dyn.dhs.org> Message-ID: <20010408143128.B3359@candle.dyn.dhs.org> On Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 02:13:01PM -0500, Ben Kochie wrote: > eh.. that's not so cool.. how about this one: > > www.colorcase.com :) Definitely some cool looking cases there, but the site isn't customer friendly. You have to fill out a form to get a price list! Does anyone know what the price ranges are? Nate From austad at marketwatch.com Sun Apr 8 15:10:55 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ogg vorbis trading Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10978F@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Does anyone know of anything like Napster or Audiogalaxy that supports Ogg Vorbis files? I'm sick of grabbing MP3's that have been encoded with Xing or some other crappy encoder. Jay From austad at marketwatch.com Sun Apr 8 15:33:16 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] atheos Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109790@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> http://www.atheos.cx Not really related to Linux other than the fact that it's a GPL'd OS. Looks pretty cool, the GUI is integrated with the kernel, which is kinda scary, but it's kinda like the win98 version of Unix. :) Much has been ported to it. And it's only 1 guy developing it, pretty good progress for just one person. Jay From thefishyone at hotmail.com Sun Apr 8 17:06:59 2001 From: thefishyone at hotmail.com (Matt Waters) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Boxed Linux Games Message-ID: >From: Jason J >Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >Subject: [TCLUG] Boxed Linux Games >Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 21:03:10 -0500 > >Any place local to buy boxed linux games? > >I would prefer to go out and buy one of loki's games rather than wait >for UPS to ship it to me. > > > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list Speaking of boxed Linux games, anyone have any idea if they're ever going to port Diablo II to Linux? /me worships Blizzard games. The Fishy One's Infinite Wisdom #28: "Life is anything that dies when you stomp on it." _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From pbujold at guanotronic.com Sun Apr 8 17:57:39 2001 From: pbujold at guanotronic.com (Paul Bujold) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cases In-Reply-To: ; from ben@nerp.net on Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 01:33:56PM -0500 References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10978C@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010408185739.A15800@guanotronic.com> On Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 01:33:56PM -0500, Ben Kochie wrote: > they used to carry custom painted cases at dexis, but I havn't seen any > recently.. best bet is going to buy online.. never seen anything good > intown.. maybe renaissance.. that's about it (and you're going to pay a > lot for those) I saw the cases too, and had the foresight to snag one of the bussiness cards sitting next to it. The outfit that does it is called The Gypsy Caravan run by a fella named David S. Justin. Accoring to the card his email is Gypsy@iaxs.net. There is some other info, but I have no idea as to wheter it is current or not. Good luck, Paul Bujold From blutgens at sistina.com Sun Apr 8 19:43:10 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Boxed Linux Games In-Reply-To: ; from thefishyone@hotmail.com on Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 05:06:59PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010408194310.A4615@hermes.sistina.com> On Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 05:06:59PM -0500, Matt Waters wrote: > >Speaking of boxed Linux games, anyone have any idea if they're ever going to >port Diablo II to Linux? /me worships Blizzard games. No, never. Hence they don't deserve your worship, pay all future homage to loki. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) $chown -R us.us yourbase -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010408/d1bfd389/attachment.pgp From blutgens at sistina.com Sun Apr 8 22:35:53 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Boxed Linux Games In-Reply-To: <20010408194310.A4615@hermes.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 07:43:10PM -0500 References: <20010408194310.A4615@hermes.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010408223552.B4978@hermes.sistina.com> On Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 07:43:10PM -0500, Ben Lutgens wrote: >No, never. Hence they don't deserve your worship, pay all future homage to >loki. > For those that are curious, the 1.27g update for quake3 arena works well. I'll let you know how team arena runs when I get it. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) $chown -R us.us yourbase -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010408/5b984331/attachment.pgp From veldy at veldy.net Sat Apr 7 23:43:16 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Snowhite and the Seven Dwarfs - The REAL story! In-Reply-To: <006601c0bc3b$56c46de0$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: What's up with this email? I sent this 4 or 5 days ago? Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Thomas T. Veldhouse Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 7:41 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Snowhite and the Seven Dwarfs - The REAL story! Are you stopping based upon attachment -- or subject? I have a test list running on my machine, but the simple rules in Mailman won't filter on "body" content. I am not sure how to configure postfix to use procmail on a global level (versus an individual level). Any hints? Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Tanner" To: Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Snowhite and the Seven Dwarfs - The REAL story! > Quoting Hahaha (hahaha@sexyfun.net): > > Today, Snowhite was turning 18. The 7 Dwarfs always where very educated and > > polite with Snowhite. When they go out work at mornign, they promissed a > > *huge* surprise. Snowhite was anxious. Suddlently, the door open, and the > > Seven Dwarfs enter... > > I put a procmail rule in to stop this. > > > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From veldy at veldy.net Sat Apr 7 23:44:06 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Snowhite :This is getting annoying! In-Reply-To: <20010402190449.E9496@real-time.com> Message-ID: You do that -- I won't be here :) I use Linux, FreeBSD, Windows 98 and Windows 2000. Outlook * is simply a very nice client. Love it or hate it. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Bob Tanner Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 7:05 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Snowhite :This is getting annoying! Quoting Mark K (mkroska@readynetgo.com): > > OK, check your antivirus software...I've gotten this message 5 times today > from the list. > > ?!@$! How about I deny all postings from Outlook MUAs? This is a linux mailing list after all? :-) -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Sun Apr 8 10:15:34 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Snowhite :This is getting annoying! References: <200104021541.LAA10761@radius8.mohaveaz.com> <20010402190449.E9496@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3AD08096.180F492@fandre.com> Bob Tanner wrote: > > Quoting Mark K (mkroska@readynetgo.com): > > > > OK, check your antivirus software...I've gotten this message 5 times today > > from the list. > > > > ?!@$! > > How about I deny all postings from Outlook MUAs? > > This is a linux mailing list after all? I'm sure glad this isn't a Commedore-64 users group. Anyone reading mail from a C64? From thefishyone at hotmail.com Sun Apr 8 11:43:28 2001 From: thefishyone at hotmail.com (Matt Waters) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Snowhite :This is getting annoying! Message-ID: >From: Bob Tanner >Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Snowhite :This is getting annoying! >Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 19:04:49 -0500 > >Quoting Mark K (mkroska@readynetgo.com): > > > > OK, check your antivirus software...I've gotten this message 5 times >today > > from the list. > > > > ?!@$! > >How about I deny all postings from Outlook MUAs? > >This is a linux mailing list after all? > >:-) >-- We are Bill of Gates. Lower your firewalls and surrender your linux disks. Your computers will adapt to use only Microsoft products. Resistance is futile. The Fishy One's Infinite Wisdom #28: "Life is anything that dies when you stomp on it." _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From burtmetcalf at mediaone.net Sun Apr 8 22:52:43 2001 From: burtmetcalf at mediaone.net (Kurt Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Road Runner Cable Modem Message-ID: <3AD1320B.BFBFD421@mediaone.net> I am somewhat a novice at Linux and I just got a cable modem through RR (3Com) and want to hook it up to my Linux machine. I installed it under Windows to make sure everything was working. Can anyone help me get it connected and running under Linux. As I said, I am somewhat of a novice so if you can make it easy to understand, I would appreciate it. Thanks From tanner at real-time.com Sun Apr 8 23:06:56 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Road Runner Cable Modem In-Reply-To: <3AD1320B.BFBFD421@mediaone.net>; from burtmetcalf@mediaone.net on Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 10:52:43PM -0500 References: <3AD1320B.BFBFD421@mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20010408230656.D9645@real-time.com> Quoting Kurt Schumacher (burtmetcalf@mediaone.net): > I am somewhat a novice at Linux and I just got a cable modem through RR > (3Com) and want to hook it up to my Linux machine. I installed it under > Windows to make sure everything was working. Can anyone help me get it > connected and running under Linux. As I said, I am somewhat of a novice > so if you can make it easy to understand, I would appreciate it. What distribution? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From blutgens at sistina.com Sun Apr 8 23:09:52 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Road Runner Cable Modem In-Reply-To: <3AD1320B.BFBFD421@mediaone.net>; from burtmetcalf@mediaone.net on Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 10:52:43PM -0500 References: <3AD1320B.BFBFD421@mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20010408230952.A5221@hermes.sistina.com> On Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 10:52:43PM -0500, Kurt Schumacher wrote: >I am somewhat a novice at Linux and I just got a cable modem through RR >(3Com) and want to hook it up to my Linux machine. I installed it under >Windows to make sure everything was working. Can anyone help me get it >connected and running under Linux. As I said, I am somewhat of a novice >so if you can make it easy to understand, I would appreciate it. Um, this is not the way to get a real good answer. People on these mailing lists don't have the time to write 42Kb mails detailing every step. Please see http://www.linuxdoc.org/ and poke around the howtos. Start hacking and when you run into trouble ask specific questions. like ¨I am trying to do foo and I get this error `blah is doing bar`, I am using llamad version 31337.1 beta 5 on RedHat 7.1 with kernel 2.0.36" At which point someone will respond. HTH -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) $chown -R us.us yourbase -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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And we as developers said, "Oh, that is great idea! And to make you people happy that don't want this feature it's a compile time option." What does this have to do with VA? I have been witting a letter to Larry Augustin for about 3 weeks now. Trying to tell Larry "VA suck" in a constructive way BUT also my recommendations on how to make things better. Like the new netrek feature, MAYBE Larry doesn't know what is going on in the trenches? How can you help? Well, the first question is why should you help? Remember how great VA was before? I'd like to have that back. I'd also like VA to stay healthy so all the gurus there have great jobs and keep write kick'in code. But if you could send me your horror stories with VA, I'd like to include them with my letter to Larry so that VA doesn't think I am just some disgruntled little peon rattling my saber. I'll make my letter to VA public on this list and the tclug web site. I will also post it to slashdot and linuxtoday. Thanks. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Apr 9 00:14:53 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ATAPI cdrom irq timeout Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10979B@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Ok, sometimes when I put a bad CD into my cdrom drive, I get syslog messages that say "hdd: status timeout: status=oxc0 { Busy }" and a bunch of hdd: ATAPI reset complete errors. I can't eject the disc, or read it. If I reboot the machine it's fine, but that sucks. Is there anyway to reset the cdrom drive without rebooting? Jay From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Apr 9 00:25:44 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The downfall of VA In-Reply-To: <20010408232238.E9645@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 11:22:38PM -0500 References: <20010408232238.E9645@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010409002544.F19732@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [010408 23:25]: > To make a long story short, I work on an open source project called Netrek, and Speaking of, weve had one of our users playing netrek and being DoS'ed lately because of it. :| He must be *really* good :) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Shawn From jonathankl_2001 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 9 06:53:39 2001 From: jonathankl_2001 at yahoo.com (Jonathan Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Boxed Linux Games In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010409115339.44090.qmail@web13405.mail.yahoo.com> Microcenter in SLP (36 and Hwy 7) has a pretty decent selection of Linux games....... --- Matt Waters wrote: > >From: Jason J > >Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >Subject: [TCLUG] Boxed Linux Games > >Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 21:03:10 -0500 > > > >Any place local to buy boxed linux games? > > > >I would prefer to go out and buy one of loki's games rather than > wait > >for UPS to ship it to me. > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >tclug-list mailing list > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > Speaking of boxed Linux games, anyone have any idea if they're ever > going to > port Diablo II to Linux? /me worships Blizzard games. > > The Fishy One's Infinite Wisdom #28: "Life is anything that dies > when you > stomp on it." > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From jonathankl_2001 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 9 06:55:51 2001 From: jonathankl_2001 at yahoo.com (Jonathan Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cases In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010409115551.46869.qmail@web13404.mail.yahoo.com> diretron has some nifty black cases, oh wait yup I just ordered one of their black cases with slide out mb tray, and sliding front cover! Also Alienware has some cases. --- Ben Kochie wrote: > eh.. that's not so cool.. how about this one: > > www.colorcase.com :) > > Thank You, > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > On Sun, 8 Apr 2001, Nate Straz wrote: > > > On Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 01:23:25PM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > > > This has probably come up before, but where is a good place to > buy good > > > cases? I don't want anymore hospital beige color cases, I need > black, gray > > > or aluminum. Is there anyplace here in the twin cities that > has cool cases? > > > > The best place I found to buy non-Inwin/AOpen cases was > www.a-pro.com. > > They have the largest selection of cases I've ever seen. They > also have > > reviews and motherboard compatibility charts to go with them. > > > > Nate > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Mon Apr 9 07:27:00 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ATAPI cdrom irq timeout In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10979B@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > Ok, sometimes when I put a bad CD into my cdrom drive, I get syslog messages > that say "hdd: status timeout: status=oxc0 { Busy }" and a bunch of hdd: > ATAPI reset complete errors. I can't eject the disc, or read it. If I > reboot the machine it's fine, but that sucks. Is there anyway to reset the > cdrom drive without rebooting? I have had this happen, too. It's not always a bad CD, though. I don't know a way around a reboot, if (like yours) it's an IDE controller. If it were a SCSI device, you'd have more chance to recover. You might also take some windex and clean the bottom of the disk with a soft, lint-free cloth. (Forget about any hype about disc cleaning solutions.) It *may* prevent the hang, or it may convice you that it's time to get yourself a new CD-ROM. If you *do* find a way around a reboot, share! I've got one machine that's flaky that way. Unfortunately it gets light enough use and works enough of the time that I am still using the flaky device. Cheers, Phil M -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From kent at structural-wood.com Mon Apr 9 08:03:32 2001 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Road Runner Cable Modem References: <3AD1320B.BFBFD421@mediaone.net> <20010408230656.D9645@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3AD1B324.AE2939B7@structural-wood.com> Bob Tanner wrote: > > Quoting Kurt Schumacher (burtmetcalf@mediaone.net): > > I am somewhat a novice at Linux and I just got a cable modem through RR > > (3Com) and want to hook it up to my Linux machine. I installed it under > > Windows to make sure everything was working. Can anyone help me get it > > connected and running under Linux. As I said, I am somewhat of a novice > > so if you can make it easy to understand, I would appreciate it. > > What distribution? > -- I took an interest in Kurt's system over the weekend and failed utterly to get it working. He's running a 2.2.18 kernel on a RedHat 6.1 base. The Windows 95 machine has a netgear fa311 card and a single 10baseT cable runs from the NIC to the cable modem - as Kurt said it's a 3com modem. The 3com web site has a lot of docs on cable modems but not Kurt's specific modem. At any rate. Kurt has a working SMC network card in his linux machine, so I had him move the cable to the network card and then had him run the netcfg app and set the IP parameters (IP address, netmask, etc...) to the same values he had on the windows machine. When he tried to ping qwest.net IP address it failed with a network not found. Note that this was the direct IP number, not the name. Kurt was not able to find a gateway address on his Windows box (and I haven't run Windows in years so I couldn't help him). I then had him move the netgear fa311 to the linux box on the off chance that RoadRunner was tracking the MAC address, and had him install the netgear driver. After all was installed, I had him try a dhcpcd eth0, which has always worked with my Cisco 675. The cable modem lights blinked for a while and then dhcpcd exited. /var/log/messages showed that dhcpcd had timed out. I guess what would be helpful is just some general information. Does RoadRunner need to be hooked to a specific NIC? What mode is the 3com modem running in. Should it be treated like a wire, a router, or ??? Is DHCP the proper way to get an IP address set up? If so, any clues as to why dhcpcd failed? What are the rest of you doing to make it work? Thanks, Kent From veldy at veldy.net Mon Apr 9 08:05:09 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Road Runner Cable Modem References: <3AD1320B.BFBFD421@mediaone.net> <20010408230656.D9645@real-time.com> <3AD1B324.AE2939B7@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <006001c0c0f5$b5142250$3028680a@tgt.com> > Does RoadRunner need to be hooked to a specific NIC? Yes, they use the MAC. > > What mode is the 3com modem running in. Should it be treated > like a wire, a router, or ??? It is a bridge. > > Is DHCP the proper way to get an IP address set up? Yes, try using isc-dhcp2 :) > > If so, any clues as to why dhcpcd failed? I don't think it is as robust as the ISC version. Also, Mediaone is well known to have overloaded DHCP servers. Try again. > > What are the rest of you doing to make it work? Using DSL :) Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net From sos at zjod.net Mon Apr 9 08:34:14 2001 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Road Runner Cable Modem In-Reply-To: <3AD1B324.AE2939B7@structural-wood.com> from "Kent Schumacher" at Apr 09, 2001 08:03:32 AM Message-ID: <200104091334.IAA07026@zjod.net> Kent Schumacher wrote: > > Bob Tanner wrote: > > > > Quoting Kurt Schumacher (burtmetcalf@mediaone.net): > > > I am somewhat a novice at Linux and I just got a cable modem through RR > > > (3Com) and want to hook it up to my Linux machine. I installed it under > > > Windows to make sure everything was working. Can anyone help me get it > > > connected and running under Linux. As I said, I am somewhat of a novice > > > so if you can make it easy to understand, I would appreciate it. > > > > What distribution? > > -- > > I took an interest in Kurt's system over the weekend and failed utterly > to get it working. > > He's running a 2.2.18 kernel on a RedHat 6.1 base. > > The Windows 95 machine has a netgear fa311 card and a single 10baseT > cable runs from the NIC to the cable modem - as Kurt said it's a > 3com modem. The 3com web site has a lot of docs on cable modems > but not Kurt's specific modem. At any rate. > > Kurt has a working SMC network card in his linux machine, so I > had him move the cable to the network card and then had him > run the netcfg app and set the IP parameters (IP address, > netmask, etc...) to the same values he had on the windows > machine. When he tried to ping qwest.net IP address it > failed with a network not found. Note that this was the > direct IP number, not the name. > > Kurt was not able to find a gateway address on his Windows box > (and I haven't run Windows in years so I couldn't help him). Try "192.168.100.1" == the cable modem. My working setup includes an /etc/sysconfig/network which looks like: > NETWORKING=yes > HOSTNAME=YourMachineNameHere > GATEWAYDEV= > GATEWAY=192.168.100.1 > FORWARD_IPV4=yes > IPX="no" > IPXINTERNALNETNUM="0" > IPXINTERNALNODENUM="0" > IPXAUTOPRIMARY="on" > IPXAUTOFRAME="on" If he has a second NIC on the box, make sure you're priming the right NIC at boot time. > I then had him move the netgear fa311 to the linux box on the > off chance that RoadRunner was tracking the MAC address, and had > him install the netgear driver. > > After all was installed, I had him try a dhcpcd eth0, which > has always worked with my Cisco 675. The cable modem lights > blinked for a while and then dhcpcd exited. > > /var/log/messages showed that dhcpcd had timed out. > > I guess what would be helpful is just some general information. > > Does RoadRunner need to be hooked to a specific NIC? Yes... use the NIC that it was installed with on the Windows box. The modem is configured with that MAC address and won't talk to any others. > What mode is the 3com modem running in. Should it be treated > like a wire, a router, or ??? Treat it like a gateway. > Is DHCP the proper way to get an IP address set up? Yes. RPM version dhcp-2.0b1pl6-6 works. Some previous versions didn't. > If so, any clues as to why dhcpcd failed? > > What are the rest of you doing to make it work? Once the connection lease is granted, use pump in a root cron script to keep the lease open. Leases are usually only 12 hours long, so renew at least every 6 hours. > > Thanks, > Kent No problem, -Steve From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Apr 9 08:36:45 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Road Runner Cable Modem In-Reply-To: <3AD1B324.AE2939B7@structural-wood.com>; from kent@structural-wood.com on Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 08:03:32AM -0500 References: <3AD1320B.BFBFD421@mediaone.net> <20010408230656.D9645@real-time.com> <3AD1B324.AE2939B7@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <20010409083645.H19732@ringworld.org> * Kent Schumacher [010409 08:07]: > I then had him move the netgear fa311 to the linux box on the Last time I used the scyld.com's natsemi driver the MAC address changed from windows to linux. This might be your problem. Also, try pump *and* dhcpcd. I've had issues with both in some situations. Is this a mediaone or time warner install? Mediaone tracks MAC address, timewarner just makes you DHCP first. 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I don't want anymore hospital beige color cases, I need > > black, gray > > > > or aluminum. Is there anyplace here in the twin cities that > > has cool cases? > > > > > > The best place I found to buy non-Inwin/AOpen cases was > > www.a-pro.com. > > > They have the largest selection of cases I've ever seen. They > > also have > > > reviews and motherboard compatibility charts to go with them. > > > > > > Nate > > > _______________________________________________ > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Apr 9 09:13:02 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ATAPI cdrom irq timeout Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1097A4@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> I ejected the disc with a paperclip in the little eject hole, and it seems fine after I removed the CD. All of my other discs work, but this particular one doesn't. It has an interesting smudge or scratch on it, I'll try cleaning it. Normally, when I force eject the disc, it still requires a reboot. I was lucky this time. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Phil Mendelsohn [mailto:mend0070@tc.umn.edu] > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 7:27 AM > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] ATAPI cdrom irq timeout > > > On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > > > Ok, sometimes when I put a bad CD into my cdrom drive, I > get syslog messages > > that say "hdd: status timeout: status=oxc0 { Busy }" and a > bunch of hdd: > > ATAPI reset complete errors. I can't eject the disc, or > read it. If I > > reboot the machine it's fine, but that sucks. Is there > anyway to reset the > > cdrom drive without rebooting? > > I have had this happen, too. It's not always a bad CD, > though. I don't > know a way around a reboot, if (like yours) it's an IDE > controller. If it > were a SCSI device, you'd have more chance to recover. > > You might also take some windex and clean the bottom of the > disk with a > soft, lint-free cloth. (Forget about any hype about disc cleaning > solutions.) It *may* prevent the hang, or it may convice you > that it's > time to get yourself a new CD-ROM. > > If you *do* find a way around a reboot, share! I've got one machine > that's flaky that way. Unfortunately it gets light enough > use and works > enough of the time that I am still using the flaky device. > > Cheers, > Phil M > > -- > "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Apr 9 09:17:31 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The downfall of VA In-Reply-To: <20010408232238.E9645@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 11:22:38PM -0500 References: <20010408232238.E9645@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010409091731.A656@hermes.sistina.com> On Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 11:22:38PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: >How can you help? > >But if you could send me your horror stories with VA, I'd like to include them Sistina bought a 16 Node VA cluster so we could do some GFS testing as well as incorporating a VACM STOMITH method. It came with RH6.2 installed (VA Improved) a few months ago one of the machines slowed WAY down. With no load it would take top 5 seconds to start. Another machine wouldn't recognize one of the processors. Tom and I did some poking around and figured (Well Tom did all the figuring) out that it was a motherboard issue. I took the steps on VA's site to get tech support, the web-mail form, sent mail to everyone I could think of. So for almost a month our 15 node cluster was decimated by 2 nodes. (When you have the cluster shared between 4 developers this hurts) Finally an associate of ours called some of the Top Brass at VA (Friends of his) and rattled thier cage. It was at this point that they had some damn lackey call me and try to do the whole "You're a stupid user" tech support drill. I emphatically told him "The motherboards are bad, I want two new machines here within the week" after two more weeks of endless bickering with them they aquiesced and sent out a tech. Some PC Repairman who knew nothing about linux, VACM, ServerWorks(TM) Motherboards or anything else. I had to show this llama how to put the processors in. They called to ask how it went and I told them that we didn't pay for our support to come from the lowest bidder, we paid for VA service. Meaning a VA employee with knowledge of VACM, Linux, and thier specific HW should have came out to do the work. It took me an additional two days to get the VACM stuff working again (It's not hard once you know where to look and how to set the BIOS up) When we overpaid for the hardware we got from them in the first place just to support such a fine company I would have thought they'd do us better than that. Furthermore they sold us this great and holy cluster with the attitude "This is what we do best" it toook them 3 months to get it ready at which point they told us "We don't really know how to do this sort of thing" and that we were guinea pigs! Guinea Pigs!! You don't wanna know how much money we spent on 16 SMP x86 boxes...... Then to tell us we were guinea pigs. Then they had the nerve to expect Sistina to tell everyone how great VA's clusters are. I too want the old VA back. Go get em Bob. To VA's credit, once they realized that it was "Sistina" who was having the problem they rolled out the corporate ass-kissing machine BIG TIME! I got to the point were I said "Stop calling me, the service call was last month!! and No we may never buy anything from you people again" -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) $chown -R us.us yourbase -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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System Administrator) $chown -R us.us yourbase -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010409/336a887c/attachment.pgp From duncan at sodatrain.com Mon Apr 9 08:33:29 2001 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LifeKeeper In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1097A4@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: Now that the LifeKeepre folks are out of the room, I am willing to offer a candid perspective on lifekeepr for thoes that are interested. My company uses LifeKeeper, and I am an admin in a group of 3. We started working with LK back in sept-october (before my time at my current job, ive only been with them since November), and use it in our staging and prod environments. If anyone has any questions about it, feel free to ask, if i cant answer them, ill ask the Sr. Developer who actually implemented it. My feelings towards it are that is is ok, a bit iffy yet. It was a pain to implement, and or Sr. developer is a big perl hack and ended up doing a custon perl script to install and configure it because he felt there were some issues with the java GUI. I was not aware of their new release, and we havent looke at it yet. We are using 3.0 On another note, I was glad to beable to be intown for the TCLUG meeting; I am looking forward to moving back to MN (from boston) in july, and participating more. duncan -- || || || || || || duncan shannon duncan@sodatrain.com From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Apr 9 09:30:16 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The downfall of VA Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1097A5@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> >/me goes to see > what netrek is. Don't do it man... If you value the little freetime you probably have now, DO NOT LOOK AT NETREK!!! I wasted a good part of my life playing this game, it's addictive. Of course, the time I spent playing it was usually at work, so it's arguable as to how much of my life I was actually wasting. Seriously, once you get sucked in, you're done for. The addiction level is on par with The Sims, or crack. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Lutgens [mailto:blutgens@sistina.com] > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 9:18 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] The downfall of VA > > > On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 12:25:44AM -0500, Scott Dier wrote: > >* Bob Tanner [010408 23:25]: > > > >Speaking of, weve had one of our users playing netrek and > being DoS'ed > >lately because of it. :| > > Either that or he's an ass when he plays. /me goes to see > what netrek is. > > > > >He must be *really* good :) > > > > -- > Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 > Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 > Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) > > $chown -R us.us yourbase > > From veldy at veldy.net Mon Apr 9 09:30:28 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The downfall of VA References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1097A5@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <00ba01c0c101$a02b6360$3028680a@tgt.com> That is what I hear about "Black and White". Alas, it is only on Windows that this game will play, I believe. Please prove me wrong. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Austad, Jay" To: Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 9:30 AM Subject: RE: [TCLUG] The downfall of VA > >/me goes to see > > what netrek is. > > Don't do it man... If you value the little freetime you probably have now, > DO NOT LOOK AT NETREK!!! I wasted a good part of my life playing this game, > it's addictive. Of course, the time I spent playing it was usually at work, > so it's arguable as to how much of my life I was actually wasting. > Seriously, once you get sucked in, you're done for. The addiction level is > on par with The Sims, or crack. > > Jay > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ben Lutgens [mailto:blutgens@sistina.com] > > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 9:18 AM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] The downfall of VA > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 12:25:44AM -0500, Scott Dier wrote: > > >* Bob Tanner [010408 23:25]: > > > > > >Speaking of, weve had one of our users playing netrek and > > being DoS'ed > > >lately because of it. :| > > > > Either that or he's an ass when he plays. /me goes to see > > what netrek is. > > > > > > > >He must be *really* good :) > > > > > > > > -- > > Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 > > Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 > > Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) > > > > $chown -R us.us yourbase > > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From duncan at sodatrain.com Mon Apr 9 08:45:30 2001 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The downfall of VA In-Reply-To: <20010409091731.A656@hermes.sistina.com> Message-ID: My only experience with VA was with a previous employer... it was a crazy little startup and we were just trying to get our boxes in, and rolled out (and of course it was needed yesterday!) and our shipment from VA arrived, which was two 3500's (dual Xeon, 2 or 4 gig ram, internal DAT, Raid 5) They arrived late, and one of the boxes had didnt work out of the box, so our lead tech guy called em up, kicked and screamed, and told VA that due to their f*ckup, we wanted another box for parts, incase something else happened... We got em to drop ship a Sat. delivery of another 3500, with the xeons, the ram, the disks, all that it was missing was the tape drive. i think we made em move faster than they were supposed to, or maybe they felt bad (yeah right) because they never asked for it back, nor did they charge for it! not a bad deal. this is prob. indicative of some internal problems they have... They machines ran fine after that. a few weeks ago, i talked to the CTO of my former employer and he told me that the two boxes were at 390+ days of uptime. duncan On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 11:22:38PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > >How can you help? > > > >But if you could send me your horror stories with VA, I'd like to include them > > > To VA's credit, once they realized that it was "Sistina" who was having the > problem they rolled out the corporate ass-kissing machine BIG TIME! I got to > the point were I said "Stop calling me, the service call was last month!! and > No we may never buy anything from you people again" > > -- || || || || || || duncan shannon duncan@sodatrain.com From jwanderson at uswest.net Mon Apr 9 09:40:04 2001 From: jwanderson at uswest.net (Jay W. Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Road Runner Cable Modem In-Reply-To: <3AD1B324.AE2939B7@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <200104091440.f39Ee6t03947@sprite.real-time.com> On 9 Apr 01, at 8:03, Kent Schumacher wrote: > Kurt was not able to find a gateway address on his Windows box > (and I haven't run Windows in years so I couldn't help him). > route ipconfig in 95/98: Rt click Net Neighborhood-> props->config tab-> select tcp/ip -> iface->props HTH Jay From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Apr 9 09:52:12 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The downfall of VA In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1097A5@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 09:30:16AM -0500 References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1097A5@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010409095212.A882@hermes.sistina.com> On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 09:30:16AM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: >>/me goes to see >> what netrek is. > >Don't do it man... If you value the little freetime you probably have now, >DO NOT LOOK AT NETREK!!! I wasted a good part of my life playing this game, >it's addictive. Of course, the time I spent playing it was usually at work, >so it's arguable as to how much of my life I was actually wasting. >Seriously, once you get sucked in, you're done for. The addiction level is >on par with The Sims, or crack. > I don't know what the Sims is either. Does anyones head explode? Severed limbs? Rockets? Loud noises? Hehe, can you tell I am FPS fan? -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) $chown -R us.us yourbase -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I tried > to delete it and the next time I open my computer it comes up again. How > can I get it to stop? > dloesl@froniternet.nte > > From pc451 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 9 11:26:23 2001 From: pc451 at yahoo.com (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Progeny Debian Message-ID: <20010409162623.59954.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com> Just read on /. that Progeny 1.0 has been released. Has anyone tried Progeny? I am very interested in migrating to Debian (he says with a knowing smile) and Progeny sounds like a very nice way to do so. It comes with kernal 2.2.18 (2.4 optional), XFree 4.0.2, Mozilla 0.7 and Netscrape 4.76, and glibc 2.2. I would really like to know what version of KDE and GNOME it runs--couldn't find any mention on the home page. What is woody running these days? Progeny is based on woody, so I would assume (never assume...) that the two are concurrent. Next, is there any kind soul with a fast connection and cd burner that would be willing to burn me a copy? (Whenever the server recovers from being /.ed.) I'm stuck with a 56k modem up here in Fridley. I would be willing to pay a fair price and travel just about anywhere in the Twin Cities area to pick them up. Contact me off list if interested. :Peter __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Apr 9 11:56:38 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Progeny Debian In-Reply-To: <20010409162623.59954.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com>; from pc451@yahoo.com on Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 09:26:23AM -0700 References: <20010409162623.59954.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20010409115638.B1354@hermes.sistina.com> On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 09:26:23AM -0700, Peter Clark wrote: > Just read on /. that Progeny 1.0 has been released. Has anyone tried >Progeny? I am very interested in migrating to Debian (he says with a >knowing smile) and Progeny sounds like a very nice way to do so. It >comes with kernal 2.2.18 (2.4 optional), XFree 4.0.2, Mozilla 0.7 and >Netscrape 4.76, and glibc 2.2. I would really like to know what version >of KDE and GNOME it runs--couldn't find any mention on the home page. >What is woody running these days? Progeny is based on woody, so I would >assume (never assume...) that the two are concurrent. > Next, is there any kind soul with a fast connection and cd burner >that would be willing to burn me a copy? (Whenever the server recovers >from being /.ed.) I'm stuck with a 56k modem up here in Fridley. I >would be willing to pay a fair price and travel just about anywhere in >the Twin Cities area to pick them up. Contact me off list if >interested. I just finished downloading the ISO's. I tried the earlier rc and beta iso's and was NOT impressed. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) $chown -R us.us yourbase -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I would really like to know what version > of KDE and GNOME it runs--couldn't find any mention on the home page. > What is woody running these days? Progeny is based on woody, so I would > assume (never assume...) that the two are concurrent. > Next, is there any kind soul with a fast connection and cd burner > that would be willing to burn me a copy? (Whenever the server recovers > from being /.ed.) I'm stuck with a 56k modem up here in Fridley. I > would be willing to pay a fair price and travel just about anywhere in > the Twin Cities area to pick them up. Contact me off list if > interested. > :Peter > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Apr 9 12:37:07 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Progeny Debian In-Reply-To: <20010409162623.59954.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com>; from pc451@yahoo.com on Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 09:26:23AM -0700 References: <20010409162623.59954.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20010409123707.J19732@ringworld.org> * Peter Clark [010409 11:31]: > Next, is there any kind soul with a fast connection and cd burner > that would be willing to burn me a copy? (Whenever the server recovers I'm mirroring it here at ftp.cs.umn.edu, and it will be up sometime later today if all goes well. If you want to stop by sometime, just prod me via email. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010409/7f087023/attachment.pgp From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Apr 9 12:37:58 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Progeny Debian In-Reply-To: <20010409115638.B1354@hermes.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 11:56:38AM -0500 References: <20010409162623.59954.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com> <20010409115638.B1354@hermes.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010409123757.K19732@ringworld.org> * Ben Lutgens [010409 12:10]: > I just finished downloading the ISO's. I tried the earlier rc and beta iso's > and was NOT impressed. Ok, what do you expect again? Mandrake? :) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010409/e93ffe18/attachment.pgp From mnlinux at TechnologyAnnex.com Mon Apr 9 12:43:01 2001 From: mnlinux at TechnologyAnnex.com (mnlinux@TechnologyAnnex.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 1400x1050 in Xf86 RedHat Wolverine (7.1 beta) Message-ID: Does anyone know the screen settings for a Xvga 1400x1050 sony vaio in xf86? I have it setup so it is full screen but it shimmers in areas. Thanks! -- B. Eric Roth mnlinux@TechnologyAnnex.com From pc451 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 9 14:22:06 2001 From: pc451 at yahoo.com (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:56 2005 Subject: .raw vs .iso was Re: [TCLUG] Progeny Debian In-Reply-To: <3AD1EA09.7D1A1FAE@eetc.com> Message-ID: <20010409192206.49940.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> --- Simeon Johnston wrote: > What is the difference between the .raw format and the .iso format? > I can > use a mac with toast or a PC with proprietary software. Does anyone > know > if toast will handle this? As far as I know, there is no difference between the two. IIRC, .raw is so that XCDRoast will recognize it. Otherwise, you can change the extension to whatever will make toast happy. :Peter __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From pc451 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 9 14:38:00 2001 From: pc451 at yahoo.com (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Progeny Debian In-Reply-To: <20010409115638.B1354@hermes.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010409193800.76684.qmail@web11106.mail.yahoo.com> --- Ben Lutgens wrote: > I just finished downloading the ISO's. I tried the earlier rc and > beta iso's > and was NOT impressed. Would you care to elaborate? What parts about it were you not impressed by? Details, s'il vous plait. :Peter __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Apr 9 15:06:01 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Progeny Debian In-Reply-To: <20010409193800.76684.qmail@web11106.mail.yahoo.com>; from pc451@yahoo.com on Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 12:38:00PM -0700 References: <20010409115638.B1354@hermes.sistina.com> <20010409193800.76684.qmail@web11106.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20010409150600.D1939@hermes.sistina.com> On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 12:38:00PM -0700, Peter Clark wrote: > >--- Ben Lutgens wrote: > >> I just finished downloading the ISO's. I tried the earlier rc and >> beta iso's >> and was NOT impressed. > > Would you care to elaborate? What parts about it were you not >impressed by? Details, s'il vous plait. > :Peter > well for one, grub failed to install and left my system unbootable after the first reboot into the new system. For another I didn't like the absence of some of apts tools (they're probably there now) and when I tried to add in debian's sources.list lines things got totally hosed somehow. It was a while ago so I can't remmeber. Tom is running it on his laptop (at least he was) and had similar dislikes (except grub, he loves grub) perhaps he'd elaborate more. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) $chown -R us.us yourbase -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I already posted this to another list but they havn't responded. The list server might be down or something because I havn't received anything from them for quite some time. Can anyone help me? sim From dd-b at dd-b.net Mon Apr 9 15:29:54 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] modprobe eth0 fails after kernel upgrade In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20010406130610.00c2fcb0@mail.bitstream.net> References: <4.2.0.58.20010406130610.00c2fcb0@mail.bitstream.net> Message-ID: Brady Hegberg writes: > I installed > > kernel-2.2.17-14.i386.rpm > kernel-ibcs-2.2.17-14.i386.rpm > kernel-pcmcia-cs-2.2.17-14.i386.rpm > kernel-source-2.2.17-14.i386.rpm > > The instructions also said to install > kernel-headers-2.2.17-14.i386.rpm > but I couldn't find this file anywhere and I gathered it was only for > compiling the kernel anyway. I don't think this is your problem; but for general knowledge, the kernel headers are required for compiling pretty much *anything*. -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From dd-b at dd-b.net Mon Apr 9 15:35:59 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ogg vorbis trading In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10978F@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10978F@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: "Austad, Jay" writes: > Does anyone know of anything like Napster or Audiogalaxy that supports Ogg > Vorbis files? I'm sick of grabbing MP3's that have been encoded with Xing > or some other crappy encoder. Well, gnutella, for what it's worth. Pretty sloppy, but I've occasionally found things through it. -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Mon Apr 9 15:58:37 2001 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Logrotate problems Message-ID: I think the easiest fix would be to get syslog-ng to put its 'syslog-ng.pid' file in the '/var/run' directory. What is in syslog.conf (or syslog-ng.conf)? Use 'man syslog.conf' or something similar to divine wether there is a configuration setting that can force the 'syslog-ng.pid' file to be in '/var/run'. Another option whould be to check /etc/rc.d/init.d/syslog (or /etc/rc.d/init.d/syslog-ng) to see if the creation of the 'syslog-ng.pid' is controllable from there. Good luck, Troy >>> simeonuj@eetc.com 04/09/01 03:30PM >>> I am trying to rotate my logs but am having problems with logrotate. This is the command used. /var/log/logfile { postrotate /usr/bin/killall -HUP `cat /var/run/syslog-ng.pid` endscript } The problem with this is that the syslog-ng.pid file seems to be generated in whatever directory you started syslog-ng from instead of /var/run/*. Is this a configuration problem of the system? If a system problem how do I go about fixing it? Is there a simpler way to send an HUP signal? I am using Redhat-6.2 on an ALPHA with syslog-ng 1.4.11. I already posted this to another list but they havn't responded. The list server might be down or something because I havn't received anything from them for quite some time. Can anyone help me? sim _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu Mon Apr 9 16:13:04 2001 From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WIN98 Message-ID: <010409161304.2031f870@dcmir.med.umn.edu> Hi Just wanted to say thanks to all who volunteered their tips last week on installing onto a WIN98 box with just 1 drive. I think I have him talked into buying a new disk, so that should simplify matters, at least for now. Turns out he's also going to want it on his laptop, so I'll have to deal with that problem eventually. In sum: It's easier to install on a separate drive that slicing one up that already has Winders on it. Fips, a dos partition program (thanks, I hadn't heard of this one), Partition magic, and at least some versions of disk druid SHOULD be able to handle the task, but don't forget to defrag (Thanks Andy, I'm sure I would have!). Be careful of sticking the Linux root partition above cylinder 1024 as some versions of LILO can't deal with that, though System Commander was suggested as a way around that problem. Thanks again! Ed Hoeffner 1-271 BSBE 312 Church St. SE Mpls, MN 55455 hoeffner@dcmir.med.umn.edu 612-625-2115 612-625-2163 fax From cgahlon at citilink.com Mon Apr 9 16:25:23 2001 From: cgahlon at citilink.com (Christopher Gahlon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Urgent -- need to borrow ISDN router References: Message-ID: <3AD228C3.D1317E0F@citilink.com> I see your post was on saturday so this might be a little late in comming but I've got two 3-Com ISDN routers. Not sure what model number but they are new in the box with config disks.. Someone gave em to me. I'll sell one or both cheap. Make me an offer. Chris Gahlon Cell: 612-978-2520 andy@theasis.com wrote: > My 3-yr old ISDN router just spat the dummy -- won't find the line > anymore after last nite's storm. I had a tech test every part of the link > and it was good right up to the phone line coming into the router. Damn. > > Does someone have an ISDN router they can spare for a few days while I > await delivery of a new one? If so, please contact me off-list > andy@theasis.com. I'll happily drive somewhere in the TC area to retrieve > it. > > Thanks very much, > > Andy > > PS -- I'd consider buying a used one if you have it, but currently have a > line on a Cisco 804; still waiting verification on that. > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at gimp.damnation.net Mon Apr 9 16:26:59 2001 From: jima at gimp.damnation.net (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Logrotate problems In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010409161610.02be7d00@wheresmymailserver.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, Simeon Johnston wrote: > I am trying to rotate my logs but am having problems with logrotate. > > This is the command used. > > /var/log/logfile { > postrotate > /usr/bin/killall -HUP `cat /var/run/syslog-ng.pid` > endscript > } Uh, 'killall' is used for process names, 'kill' is used for process IDs. Don't mix and match; it gets ugly. (I make that mistake on the command line, where it nicely whines at me.) You could change it to either: /usr/bin/killall -HUP syslog-ng or /bin/kill -HUP `cat /var/run/syslog-ng.pid` The former will probably work, regardless of the location of the pid file (which it's not dependent on anyway), but the latter would, of course, require the pid file to be in /var/run. Using killall for such matters can have some annoying side effects, but I suspect that this won't be the case for this situation. No guarantees, though. > The problem with this is that the syslog-ng.pid file seems to be > generated in whatever directory you started syslog-ng from instead of > /var/run/*. > Is this a configuration problem of the system? > If a system problem how do I go about fixing it? > Is there a simpler way to send an HUP signal? Dunno. Dunno. Yep, 'killall'. You're already using it, but you shouldn't be -- at least not in that context. > I am using Redhat-6.2 on an ALPHA with syslog-ng 1.4.11. > > I already posted this to another list but they havn't responded. The list > server might be down or something because I havn't received anything from > them for quite some time. > Can anyone help me? Are you kidding? We have a hard enough time helping ourselves. :) Good luck on this. Jima From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Apr 9 16:45:19 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ogg vorbis trading In-Reply-To: ; from dd-b@dd-b.net on Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 03:35:59PM -0500 References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10978F@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010409164519.A2228@hermes.sistina.com> On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 03:35:59PM -0500, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: >"Austad, Jay" writes: > >> Does anyone know of anything like Napster or Audiogalaxy that supports Ogg >> Vorbis files? I'm sick of grabbing MP3's that have been encoded with Xing >> or some other crappy encoder. While I agree that alot of people use crappy encoders, it's kind of a bummer that stuff encoded with vorbis isn't playable in as many venues as mp3. (Car audio, portable audio, etc) Nor are they as readily avalable. mp3 isn't going anywhere unless everyone jumps on the ogg bandwagon, unfortunately there isn't much to cause people to do so. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) $chown -R us.us yourbase -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Or is this something that all foolish newbies run into. : ) sim Jima wrote: > On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, Simeon Johnston wrote: > > I am trying to rotate my logs but am having problems with logrotate. > > > > This is the command used. > > > > /var/log/logfile { > > postrotate > > /usr/bin/killall -HUP `cat /var/run/syslog-ng.pid` > > endscript > > } > > Uh, 'killall' is used for process names, 'kill' is used for process IDs. > Don't mix and match; it gets ugly. (I make that mistake on the command > line, where it nicely whines at me.) You could change it to either: > > /usr/bin/killall -HUP syslog-ng > > or > > /bin/kill -HUP `cat /var/run/syslog-ng.pid` > > The former will probably work, regardless of the location of the pid file > (which it's not dependent on anyway), but the latter would, of course, > require the pid file to be in /var/run. > Using killall for such matters can have some annoying side effects, but I > suspect that this won't be the case for this situation. No guarantees, > though. > > > The problem with this is that the syslog-ng.pid file seems to be > > generated in whatever directory you started syslog-ng from instead of > > /var/run/*. > > Is this a configuration problem of the system? > > If a system problem how do I go about fixing it? > > Is there a simpler way to send an HUP signal? > > Dunno. > Dunno. > Yep, 'killall'. You're already using it, but you shouldn't be -- at > least not in that context. > > > I am using Redhat-6.2 on an ALPHA with syslog-ng 1.4.11. > > > > I already posted this to another list but they havn't responded. The list > > server might be down or something because I havn't received anything from > > them for quite some time. > > Can anyone help me? > > Are you kidding? We have a hard enough time helping ourselves. :) > > Good luck on this. > > Jima > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From whitlow_stephen at htc.honeywell.com Mon Apr 9 16:51:05 2001 From: whitlow_stephen at htc.honeywell.com (Whitlow, Stephen (MN65)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Input needed on intrusion detection research project Message-ID: We would like to submit a survey to this list. Please note that this is NOT marketing spam and your involvement will NOT lead to spam or cold-calls. Your responses will be used to determine the information requirements for intrusion detection visualization. If list-members seem receptive I will send the URL in a later posting. If you have any questions or concerns please respond. Thanks for your time. regards, stephen __________________________________________________ Stephen Whitlow Honeywell Labs whitlow_stephen@htc.honeywell.com From tobytoo at black-hole.com Mon Apr 9 16:55:27 2001 From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (b. toberman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] =?iso-8859-1?Q?=A4=40=B9=EF=A4=40=BF=CB=B1K=B9=EF=BD=CD?= Message-ID: <3AD22FCF.F32049F0@black-hole.com> Oh joy, Aisian porn spam From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Mon Apr 9 17:26:38 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Input needed on intrusion detection research project In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I can't speak for the list but wouldn't mind personally. Pretty considerate, *asking* for permission to send an URL. Phil Mendelsohn On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, Whitlow, Stephen (MN65) wrote: > We would like to submit a survey to this list. Please note that this is NOT > marketing spam and your involvement will NOT lead to spam or cold-calls. > Your responses will be used to determine the information requirements for > intrusion detection visualization. If list-members seem receptive I will > send the URL in a later posting. If you have any questions or concerns > please respond. > Thanks for your time. regards, stephen > __________________________________________________ > > Stephen Whitlow > Honeywell Labs > whitlow_stephen@htc.honeywell.com > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Mon Apr 9 17:35:54 2001 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Input needed on intrusion detection researchproject Message-ID: I agree. >>> mend0070@tc.umn.edu 04/09/01 05:26PM >>> I can't speak for the list but wouldn't mind personally. Pretty considerate, *asking* for permission to send an URL. Phil Mendelsohn On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, Whitlow, Stephen (MN65) wrote: > We would like to submit a survey to this list. From florin at iucha.net Mon Apr 9 18:10:53 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ogg vorbis trading In-Reply-To: <20010409164519.A2228@hermes.sistina.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 03:35:59PM -0500, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > >"Austad, Jay" writes: > > > >> Does anyone know of anything like Napster or Audiogalaxy that supports Ogg > >> Vorbis files? I'm sick of grabbing MP3's that have been encoded with Xing > >> or some other crappy encoder. > > While I agree that alot of people use crappy encoders, it's kind of a bummer > that stuff encoded with vorbis isn't playable in as many venues as mp3. (Car > audio, portable audio, etc) > > Nor are they as readily avalable. mp3 isn't going anywhere unless everyone > jumps on the ogg bandwagon, unfortunately there isn't much to cause people to > do so. Such as royalty free encoding/decoding? I think that's a good reason. Not necessary free as in beer but free as in speech: as a manufacturer you are not at the mercy of the licencing... florin -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE60kGJNLPgdTuQ3+QRAtIsAJwM7YsX9NqJRtuhh7BnrKeT4/VwtQCfX3bR rSYgDRhspWN3TAtDc+GcurM= =yVCx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tobytoo at black-hole.com Mon Apr 9 18:20:19 2001 From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (b. toberman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Input needed on intrusion detection researchproject References: Message-ID: <3AD243B2.7058A7B2@black-hole.com> Ditto Troy Johnson wrote: > I agree. > > >>> mend0070@tc.umn.edu 04/09/01 05:26PM >>> > I can't speak for the list but wouldn't mind personally. Pretty > considerate, *asking* for permission to send an URL. > > Phil Mendelsohn > > On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, Whitlow, Stephen (MN65) wrote: > > > We would like to submit a survey to this list. > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Apr 9 18:24:28 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ogg vorbis trading In-Reply-To: ; from florin@iucha.net on Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 06:10:53PM -0500 References: <20010409164519.A2228@hermes.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010409182428.B2790@hermes.sistina.com> On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 06:10:53PM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > >Such as royalty free encoding/decoding? I think that's a good reason. O.k. this is the last post I'll make on such a touchy subject. When was the last time you paid a royalty. > >Not necessary free as in beer but free as in speech: as a manufacturer you >are not at the mercy of the licencing... I could really care less about that, give me some stuff that uses vorbis and I'll switch. Right now, mp3 is the status quo. Untill that changes, I´m gonna stay with mp3. I don't think of things from the vendor standpoint, why would I? I'm a consumer. That's the way it is. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) $chown -R us.us yourbase -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010409/ad9ae55d/attachment.pgp From clay at fandre.com Mon Apr 9 18:32:03 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ogg vorbis trading References: <20010409164519.A2228@hermes.sistina.com> <20010409182428.B2790@hermes.sistina.com> Message-ID: <3AD24673.426D86FE@fandre.com> Ben Lutgens wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 06:10:53PM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > > > >Such as royalty free encoding/decoding? I think that's a good reason. > > O.k. this is the last post I'll make on such a touchy subject. > > When was the last time you paid a royalty. > You're missing the point. > > > >Not necessary free as in beer but free as in speech: as a manufacturer you > >are not at the mercy of the licencing... > > I could really care less about that, give me some stuff that uses vorbis and > I'll switch. Right now, mp3 is the status quo. Untill that changes, I?m gonna > stay with mp3. I don't think of things from the vendor standpoint, why would > I? I'm a consumer. That's the way it is. That's exactly the attitude that will make Ogg Vorbis fail. And we all lose if it fails. It should be our responisibility to do as much as we can to help Ogg and any other open standard succeed. Come-on Ben, get with it. You're beginning to sound like a Microsoftie. Me, Me, Me. And if you would do a little research you'd figure out that a lot of apps do support Ogg, and many more will in the future. The more it's used, the faster it will be accepted as a standard. Where would Linux be if everyone said "Give me some stuff that uses Linux and I'll switch"? From andy at theasis.com Mon Apr 9 18:46:01 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ogg vorbis trading In-Reply-To: <3AD24673.426D86FE@fandre.com> Message-ID: > > >Such as royalty free encoding/decoding? I think that's a good reason. > > When was the last time you paid a royalty. > > > > You're missing the point. I don't think he is, I think he's merely disagreeing on the point. I also think that many people say they are motivated by one thing (free speech) while in fact they are really motivated by another (free beer). > That's exactly the attitude that will make Ogg Vorbis fail. And we all > lose if it fails. It should be our responisibility to do as much as we > can to help Ogg and any other open standard succeed. Come-on Ben, get > with it. You're beginning to sound like a Microsoftie. Me, Me, Me. No, he's pointing out what motivates much of the market, and... > And if you would do a little research you'd figure out that a lot of > apps do support Ogg, and many more will in the future. The more it's > used, the faster it will be accepted as a standard. How many pieces of hardware? as in car players, little flash-memory ones, PDAs with both MP3 and Ogg decoders, etc? > Where would Linux be if everyone said "Give me some stuff that uses > Linux and I'll switch"? What's realistic is to recognize that there's a balance between being evangelistic and choosing what is practically usable. If you have a strong desire for a small device that plays digitized music, and can hold as much of it as possible, the only choice right now is mp3. If that's important to me, then sorry, I'm gonna fill my hard drives up with mp3s, not Oggs (or whatever). If in the meantime I can write and encourage mfrs to support open formats, then I will, but I'm not inclined to do without while I wait for it to happen. Andy From m_nassar at yahoo.com Mon Apr 9 19:13:51 2001 From: m_nassar at yahoo.com (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Buying a Linux compatable digital cam. Message-ID: <20010410001351.95870.qmail@web10103.mail.yahoo.com> hi, i am going home this summer and i was thinking of getting a digital camera, now the question is: i need a camera that i can download my pix to under linux...any of you use/know of any that are relatively hassle free... i was thinking of getting one with a PCMCIA typeII card for easy transfers to my laptop, but i suppose a serial/USB link works fine too... -munir ===== -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GAT GIT dpu- s:- a19 C++ UL P+ L+(++) E--- W+ N+ w(--) K? O-- M- V- PS+ PE-(--) Y-- PGP-(---) t 5+++ X R tv-- b+++ D++ DI++ G e+ h+() r- y+ UF++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From foeclan at winternet.com Mon Apr 9 19:28:14 2001 From: foeclan at winternet.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Buying a Linux compatable digital cam. In-Reply-To: <20010410001351.95870.qmail@web10103.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I picked up a Kodak DC 280. It works great under Linux with gPhoto, through Serial and USB. There's even a kernel driver that detects it (DC240 driver in USB devices in kernel config). Takes good pictures, too. It uses CompactFlash, which is reasonably inexpensive and easy to find. -- Michael Vieths Foeclan@Winternet.Com On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, Munir Nassar wrote: > hi, > > i am going home this summer and i was thinking of > getting a digital camera, now the question is: i need > a camera that i can download my pix to under > linux...any of you use/know of any that are relatively > hassle free... > > i was thinking of getting one with a PCMCIA typeII > card for easy transfers to my laptop, but i suppose a > serial/USB link works fine too... > > -munir > > ===== > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > Version: 3.12 > GAT GIT dpu- s:- a19 C++ UL P+ L+(++) E--- W+ N+ w(--) K? O-- M- V- PS+ PE-(--) Y-- PGP-(---) t 5+++ X R tv-- b+++ D++ DI++ G e+ h+() r- y+ UF++ > ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From ben at nerp.net Mon Apr 9 20:25:29 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Buying a Linux compatable digital cam. In-Reply-To: <20010410001351.95870.qmail@web10103.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: check out gphoto, their support list is great... any of the cam's listed there will work. from what I know, kodak, canon, and nikon are all supported (and used by me) personaly, i like kodak, and canon cameras Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, Munir Nassar wrote: > hi, > > i am going home this summer and i was thinking of > getting a digital camera, now the question is: i need > a camera that i can download my pix to under > linux...any of you use/know of any that are relatively > hassle free... > > i was thinking of getting one with a PCMCIA typeII > card for easy transfers to my laptop, but i suppose a > serial/USB link works fine too... > > -munir > > ===== > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > Version: 3.12 > GAT GIT dpu- s:- a19 C++ UL P+ L+(++) E--- W+ N+ w(--) K? O-- M- V- PS+ PE-(--) Y-- PGP-(---) t 5+++ X R tv-- b+++ D++ DI++ G e+ h+() r- y+ UF++ > ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Apr 9 20:28:48 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Buying a Linux compatable digital cam. Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1097C0@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> I have the Canon Elph S-100. It uses compact flash, I just have a USB compact flash reader and the card just shows up as a SCSI drive, then I copy my pics off. Works great, plus the Elph S-100 is one sweet little camera. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Vieths [mailto:foeclan@winternet.com] > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 7:28 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Buying a Linux compatable digital cam. > > > I picked up a Kodak DC 280. It works great under Linux with gPhoto, > through Serial and USB. There's even a kernel driver that detects it > (DC240 driver in USB devices in kernel config). Takes good > pictures, too. > It uses CompactFlash, which is reasonably inexpensive and > easy to find. > > > -- > Michael Vieths > Foeclan@Winternet.Com > > On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, Munir Nassar wrote: > > > hi, > > > > i am going home this summer and i was thinking of > > getting a digital camera, now the question is: i need > > a camera that i can download my pix to under > > linux...any of you use/know of any that are relatively > > hassle free... > > > > i was thinking of getting one with a PCMCIA typeII > > card for easy transfers to my laptop, but i suppose a > > serial/USB link works fine too... > > > > -munir > > > > ===== > > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > > Version: 3.12 > > GAT GIT dpu- s:- a19 C++ UL P+ L+(++) E--- W+ N+ w(--) K? > O-- M- V- PS+ PE-(--) Y-- PGP-(---) t 5+++ X R tv-- b+++ D++ > DI++ G e+ h+() r- y+ UF++ > > ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jpschewe at mtu.net Mon Apr 9 20:30:18 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Road Runner Cable Modem In-Reply-To: Kent Schumacher's message of "Mon, 09 Apr 2001 08:03:32 -0500" References: <3AD1320B.BFBFD421@mediaone.net> <20010408230656.D9645@real-time.com> <3AD1B324.AE2939B7@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: Kent Schumacher writes: > Bob Tanner wrote: > > > > Quoting Kurt Schumacher (burtmetcalf@mediaone.net): > > > I am somewhat a novice at Linux and I just got a cable modem through RR > > > (3Com) and want to hook it up to my Linux machine. I installed it under > > > Windows to make sure everything was working. Can anyone help me get it > > > connected and running under Linux. As I said, I am somewhat of a novice > > > so if you can make it easy to understand, I would appreciate it. > > > > What distribution? > > -- > > I took an interest in Kurt's system over the weekend and failed utterly > to get it working. > I guess what would be helpful is just some general information. > > Does RoadRunner need to be hooked to a specific NIC? Unfortunatly yes. If you switched network cards from the install, then call them and just tell them you had to swap network cards, NOT that you have Linux. Then tell them the new MAC address. I haven't tried this yet, but I'm told this is supposed to be easy. > What mode is the 3com modem running in. Should it be treated > like a wire, a router, or ??? bridge, just ignore it. > Is DHCP the proper way to get an IP address set up? yes > If so, any clues as to why dhcpcd failed? Lots of possibilities. Does the cable modem make music when the dhcp client tries to connect? If so you got an IP address. > What are the rest of you doing to make it work? I'm actually using OpenBSD, but it's using dhclient to get all the networking information. The default dhclient.conf file will work if you don't run a DNS on your local network. dhclient is available for Linux as well as OpenBSD. The DHCP client will assign your default gateway and dns servers for you. -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Mon Apr 9 20:38:58 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ogg vorbis trading In-Reply-To: <3AD24673.426D86FE@fandre.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, Clay Fandre wrote: > That's exactly the attitude that will make Ogg Vorbis fail. And we all > lose if it fails. It should be our responisibility to do as much as we > can to help Ogg and any other open standard succeed. Come-on Ben, get > with it. You're beginning to sound like a Microsoftie. Me, Me, Me. > And if you would do a little research you'd figure out that a lot of > apps do support Ogg, and many more will in the future. The more it's > used, the faster it will be accepted as a standard. There's one other little point, though. Why do we support open source? For me there are a couple of reasons, but one of the biggest ones is the ability to make something work the *right* way (or one of the right ways). As much as I have learned to hate them, I probably wouldn't have become anti-Microsoft if they had allowed people to fix problems. But when they build a system, make poor engineering choices, *and* tell you that they know best and you can't change it, well they can stick it where the sun don't shine. The reason why I can't support Vorbis wholeheartedly is because they haven't yet mastered their own game. mp3 is a much better piece of perceputal coding engineering, and MPEG-AAC is lots better than that. I'm *NOT* saying Vorbis is bad; and to the average listener it probably makes little difference. But, and I *am* a little biased, mpeg has some very solid basic research supporting its foundations, and some ingenious DSP. I don't see Vorbis as playing in the same league yet. So for now, I'll root from the sidelines, but right now they just don't meet Phil-spec. :) I don't know if I feel responsible for their success or failure. Open-source / free is *a* nice standard, but for me it's not the *only* factor. (Even though most of it is better built anyway, IMHO!) Got change for a nickel? Phil -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Apr 9 20:47:48 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ogg vorbis trading Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1097C1@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Well, it's true that there isn't any hardware YET that is going to support it, but apparently the Archos (http://www.archos.com) mp3 player will support it, and you can buy it at Microcenter. And I found something awhile back which was a CD changer replacement, you just keep your deck in your car, and it emulates your cd changer, but contains a removable 2.5" harddrive full of MP3's, I talked to them and they said it would eventually support Vorbis. The problem is, Vorbis is still in Beta, so no company will adopt it until it hits version 1.0. Plus, not many people are using it yet, so there really isn't much demand for it yet. I don't have any portable players, so I don't use MP3 if I don't have to. Hopefully people will realize it's better and start using it, but a big turnoff is the fact that it takes awhile to encode a song with it, when you can grab Xing's crappy encoder and burn one in about 10 seconds. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: andy@theasis.com [mailto:andy@theasis.com] > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 6:46 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] ogg vorbis trading > > > > > >Such as royalty free encoding/decoding? I think that's a > good reason. > > > When was the last time you paid a royalty. > > > > > > > You're missing the point. > > I don't think he is, I think he's merely disagreeing on the point. > I also think that many people say they are motivated by one > thing (free > speech) while in fact they are really motivated by another > (free beer). > > > That's exactly the attitude that will make Ogg Vorbis fail. > And we all > > lose if it fails. It should be our responisibility to do as > much as we > > can to help Ogg and any other open standard succeed. > Come-on Ben, get > > with it. You're beginning to sound like a Microsoftie. Me, Me, Me. > > No, he's pointing out what motivates much of the market, and... > > > And if you would do a little research you'd figure out that a lot of > > apps do support Ogg, and many more will in the future. The more it's > > used, the faster it will be accepted as a standard. > > How many pieces of hardware? > as in car players, little flash-memory ones, PDAs with both MP3 and > Ogg decoders, etc? > > > Where would Linux be if everyone said "Give me some stuff that uses > > Linux and I'll switch"? > > What's realistic is to recognize that there's a balance between being > evangelistic and choosing what is practically usable. If you > have a strong > desire for a small device that plays digitized music, and can > hold as much > of it as possible, the only choice right now is mp3. If > that's important > to me, then sorry, I'm gonna fill my hard drives up with > mp3s, not Oggs > (or whatever). If in the meantime I can write and encourage mfrs to > support open formats, then I will, but I'm not inclined to do without > while I wait for it to happen. > > Andy > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From nate at techie.com Mon Apr 9 21:15:55 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Buying a Linux compatable digital cam. In-Reply-To: <20010410001351.95870.qmail@web10103.mail.yahoo.com>; from m_nassar@yahoo.com on Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 05:13:51PM -0700 References: <20010410001351.95870.qmail@web10103.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20010409211554.A6521@candle.dyn.dhs.org> On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 05:13:51PM -0700, Munir Nassar wrote: > i am going home this summer and i was thinking of > getting a digital camera, now the question is: i need > a camera that i can download my pix to under > linux...any of you use/know of any that are relatively > hassle free... I have a Fuji FinePix 1400 Zoom. It's a great entry level camera. It's only 1.3 Megapixel, but it has 3x optical zoom. It uses smartmedia and only has a USB interface. With some help, I hacked in USB support for it and the driver is available in 2.4.2-ac20 or later. It shows up as a SCSI disk and you just copy the files off. Nate From sgrobe at mn.rr.com Mon Apr 9 21:20:08 2001 From: sgrobe at mn.rr.com (Steve Grobe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Buying a Linux compatable digital cam. Message-ID: <09ce15015020a41FE4@mail4.mn.rr.com> Which compact flash reader do you use? I have one of the Lexar units that reads both smart media and compact flash but I was assuming it only works under the crushing weight of windows. I have one of the S-100's to and I agree that it's a nifty little rig. I have owned other digital cameras also but the ELPH is so small it gets used more, just because you are more apt to take it with you. 4/9/2001 4:28:48 PM, "Austad, Jay" wrote: >I have the Canon Elph S-100. It uses compact flash, I just have a USB >compact flash reader and the card just shows up as a SCSI drive, then I copy >my pics off. Works great, plus the Elph S-100 is one sweet little camera. From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Apr 9 22:11:33 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Buying a Linux compatable digital cam. Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1097C2@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> The Sandisk Imagemate model SDDR-31. I got it from buy.com for around $23. Just plug it in, and do a "modprobe usb-storage". It will show up as /dev/sda or /dev/sd(something) if you have other scsi devices. mount -t msdos /dev/sda1 /mnt/sandisk Make sure you umount it before you remove it from the reader or you'll corrupt the filesystem, trust me on this. :( Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Grobe [mailto:sgrobe@mn.rr.com] > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 9:20 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Buying a Linux compatable digital cam. > > > Which compact flash reader do you use? I have one of the > Lexar units that > reads both smart media and compact flash but I was assuming > it only works > under the crushing weight of windows. > > I have one of the S-100's to and I agree that it's a nifty > little rig. I have owned > other digital cameras also but the ELPH is so small it gets > used more, just > because you are more apt to take it with you. > > > 4/9/2001 4:28:48 PM, "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > >I have the Canon Elph S-100. It uses compact flash, I just > have a USB > >compact flash reader and the card just shows up as a SCSI > drive, then I copy > >my pics off. Works great, plus the Elph S-100 is one sweet > little camera. > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Apr 9 22:48:42 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ogg vorbis trading In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1097C1@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 08:47:48PM -0500 References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1097C1@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010409224842.A3214@hermes.sistina.com> On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 08:47:48PM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: >Well, it's true that there isn't any hardware YET that is going to support >it, but apparently the Archos (http://www.archos.com) mp3 player will >support it, and you can buy it at Microcenter. And I found something awhile >back which was a CD changer replacement, you just keep your deck in your >car, and it emulates your cd changer, but contains a removable 2.5" >harddrive full of MP3's, I talked to them and they said it would eventually >support Vorbis. Now you're talking. > >The problem is, Vorbis is still in Beta, so no company will adopt it until >it hits version 1.0. Plus, not many people are using it yet, so there >really isn't much demand for it yet. I don't have any portable players, so >I don't use MP3 if I don't have to. Hopefully people will realize it's >better and start using it, but a big turnoff is the fact that it takes >awhile to encode a song with it, when you can grab Xing's crappy encoder and >burn one in about 10 seconds. See, i maybe didn't word it as nicely my intent was not to put vorbis or the concept of something new down. As standard is only a standard when it's accepted and used by the masses. And right now, vorbis is not. It doesn't sound any better (to me, maybe it was too much time on the M-60 range when I was an infantryman) and it didn't save me that much space (1 MB for a CD) and, xmms lags a bit when loading them and sometimes doesn't like to seek without segfaulting. Compund this with the lack of supporting hardware.... It's a tough thing for me to convince myself to switch to. >> >> > That's exactly the attitude that will make Ogg Vorbis fail. >> >> > Where would Linux be if everyone said "Give me some stuff that uses >> > Linux and I'll switch"? >> Take atheos? Would you switch to that? No, cause it's not very well supported. The fact is, it's taken linux a long time to get this far and when I started with it, there weren't alot of alternatives. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) $chown -R us.us yourbase -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm having much more fun with unstable :) - Kremer From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Apr 10 01:21:16 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ogg vorbis trading Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1097C4@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> > not. It doesn't > sound any better (to me, maybe it was too much time on the > M-60 range when I > was an infantryman) and it didn't save me that much space (1 > MB for a CD) and, > xmms lags a bit when loading them and sometimes doesn't like > to seek without > segfaulting. If you listen to any classical music or ambient music, you can really tell the difference. Music with lots of bass tends to show off it's frequency response too. Keep in mind it's still in beta, so crashes of the player it's using are probably going to happen, although I haven't had any problems. > Take atheos? Would you switch to that? No, cause it's not > very well supported. No. But it looks damn interesting. :) I'll comb through my email tomorrow and find that CD changer emulation thing. They actually look like they will be selling it soon. It runs linux too. :) Jay From jeffr at odeon.net Tue Apr 10 08:23:13 2001 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Buying a Linux compatable digital cam. In-Reply-To: <20010410001351.95870.qmail@web10103.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I got a Kodak digital camera last Christmas. Sadly, it's one of the few Kodaks that gphoto doesn't support. However, it stores images on a compact flash card. I've got a USB flash card reader that works fine under linux, which sort of solves the problem. Also, in regards to the PCMCIA card, you can get a PCMCIA card that will hold a compact flash card. Makes it real convienent for notebook transfers (looks like an EIDE drive to the system IIRC). For a list of what cameras are supported, check out www.gphoto.org Jeff On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, Munir Nassar wrote: > hi, > > i am going home this summer and i was thinking of > getting a digital camera, now the question is: i need > a camera that i can download my pix to under > linux...any of you use/know of any that are relatively > hassle free... > > i was thinking of getting one with a PCMCIA typeII > card for easy transfers to my laptop, but i suppose a > serial/USB link works fine too... > > -munir > > ===== > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > Version: 3.12 > GAT GIT dpu- s:- a19 C++ UL P+ L+(++) E--- W+ N+ w(--) K? O-- M- V- PS+ PE-(--) Y-- PGP-(---) t 5+++ X R tv-- b+++ D++ DI++ G e+ h+() r- y+ UF++ > ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Apr 10 08:29:02 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ogg vorbis trading In-Reply-To: <20010409182428.B2790@hermes.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 06:24:28PM -0500 References: <20010409164519.A2228@hermes.sistina.com> <20010409182428.B2790@hermes.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010410082902.O19732@ringworld.org> * Ben Lutgens [010409 18:30]: > When was the last time you paid a royalty. Well, you pay them all the time. Look at eventually increased rates for legit. online music. IE: if your trying to get mp3's from mp3.com, even if they are free, it will cost them a fee to fhg. Thats just wrong. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010410/b98c9f5d/attachment.pgp From andy at theasis.com Tue Apr 10 08:38:50 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ogg vorbis trading In-Reply-To: <20010410082902.O19732@ringworld.org> Message-ID: > * Ben Lutgens [010409 18:30]: > > When was the last time you paid a royalty. > > Well, you pay them all the time. Look at eventually increased rates for > legit. online music. IE: if your trying to get mp3's from mp3.com, even > if they are free, it will cost them a fee to fhg. Thats just wrong. A fee to what? What kind of "even if they are free"? If I whip up a little midi recording and make it available to mp3, do they pay some fee? Andy From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Apr 10 08:42:01 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ogg vorbis trading In-Reply-To: ; from andy@theasis.com on Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 08:38:50AM -0500 References: <20010410082902.O19732@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010410084201.P19732@ringworld.org> * andy@theasis.com [010410 08:40]: > A fee to what? > What kind of "even if they are free"? If I whip up a little midi recording > and make it available to mp3, do they pay some fee? Yes. I'll find the licensing information from fronenhoufer(sp?) institute who was threatining to start enforcing it soon. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Andy From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Apr 10 09:10:30 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ogg vorbis trading In-Reply-To: ; from andy@theasis.com on Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 08:38:50AM -0500 References: <20010410082902.O19732@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010410091030.Q19732@ringworld.org> * andy@theasis.com [010410 08:40]: > What kind of "even if they are free"? If I whip up a little midi recording > and make it available to mp3, do they pay some fee? Ok, if its just you, its ok, but if a company is making money it boils down to 1% of revenue, minimum of 1 cent per download. Minimum agreement being 15,000 dollars. (yikes!) That's why (i think) eMusic has no problem helping out vorbis with some free tracks. http://mp3licensing.com/royalty/summary.html http://www.mp3.com/news/095.html As to the Freedom vs free rant. In this case I am defaulting to the 'free' part. So, stop assuming that I'm hiding behind Freedom. Be high and mighty somewhere else. I don't think these people are uneducated hackers. The lead programmer at least has some graduate school, and perhaps finished that, I cant seem to find out easily for now. Heres a nifty interview: http://www.advogato.org/article/56.html -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010410/a46e3e34/attachment.pgp From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Apr 10 09:13:48 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Buying a Linux compatable digital cam. In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1097C2@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 10:11:33PM -0500 References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1097C2@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010410091348.R19732@ringworld.org> * Austad, Jay [010409 22:13]: > The Sandisk Imagemate model SDDR-31. I got it from buy.com for around $23. > Just plug it in, and do a "modprobe usb-storage". It will show up as Yeah, this thing works *awesome*. :) Zibby got one for his vacation and its a nice little unit. I've also got a USB->scsi device, 50pin HD cable. The thing rules. Made by microtech I think. Its not full-speed, but its supported, and cheap. ($50 or so) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Easiest way is to get one that supports CompactFlash, and then get a USB CF reader.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Tue Apr 10 09:21:32 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Buying a Linux compatable digital cam. In-Reply-To: <09ce15015020a41FE4@mail4.mn.rr.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, Steve Grobe wrote: > Which compact flash reader do you use? I have one of the Lexar units that > reads both smart media and compact flash but I was assuming it only works > under the crushing weight of windows. > > I have one of the S-100's to and I agree that it's a nifty little rig. I have owned > other digital cameras also but the ELPH is so small it gets used more, just > because you are more apt to take it with you. Sandisk readers work great. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Apr 10 09:25:55 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:59 2005 Subject: CC'd posts to mailing list WAS: Re: [TCLUG] ogg vorbis trading In-Reply-To: <20010410091030.Q19732@ringworld.org>; from dieman+tclug@ringworld.org on Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 09:10:30AM -0500 References: <20010410082902.O19732@ringworld.org> <20010410091030.Q19732@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010410092555.B490@hermes.sistina.com> On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 09:10:30AM -0500, Scott Dier wrote: >* andy@theasis.com [010410 08:40]: >> What kind of "even if they are free"? If I whip up a little midi recording >> and make it available to mp3, do they pay some fee? > Why do you all feel the need to cc people who are on the list? God that's irritating. My procmail filter doesn't catch it cause it's a different msg ID. Please don't do that. If you're responding to someone on the mailing list, why CC too? I don't get it. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) $chown -R us.us yourbase -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010410/935dc707/attachment.pgp From esper at sherohman.org Tue Apr 10 09:37:33 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:59 2005 Subject: CC'd posts to mailing list WAS: Re: [TCLUG] ogg vorbis trading In-Reply-To: <20010410092555.B490@hermes.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 09:25:55AM -0500 References: <20010410082902.O19732@ringworld.org> <20010410091030.Q19732@ringworld.org> <20010410092555.B490@hermes.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010410093733.C11872@sherohman.org> On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 09:25:55AM -0500, Ben Lutgens wrote: > Why do you all feel the need to cc people who are on the list? God that's > irritating. My procmail filter doesn't catch it cause it's a different msg ID. > Please don't do that. If you're responding to someone on the mailing list, why > CC too? My first thought was, "Because they're using broken MUAs." Then I took a look at your message's headers and found Mail-Followup-To: Ben Lutgens , tclug-list@mn-linux.org I checked Scott's message that you were replying to and did not find a Mail-Followup-To: header. Therefore, I conclude that your MUA must have put that in. In other words, people are cc:ing you because your MUA is telling them to. (Of course, even if it wasn't, I'm sure a lot of people are using broken MUAs and would cc you anyhow...) -- That's not gibberish... It's Linux. - Byers, The Lone Gunmen Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Tue Apr 10 09:43:11 2001 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:59 2005 Subject: CC'd posts to mailing list WAS: Re: [TCLUG] ogg vorbis trading In-Reply-To: <20010410092555.B490@hermes.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 09:25:55AM -0500 References: <20010410082902.O19732@ringworld.org> <20010410091030.Q19732@ringworld.org> <20010410092555.B490@hermes.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010410094311.B72761@sorry.cs.umn.edu> > Why do you all feel the need to cc people who are on the list? God that's > irritating. My procmail filter doesn't catch it cause it's a different msg ID. > Please don't do that. If you're responding to someone on the mailing list, why > CC too? > > I don't get it. > My guess is some people are group replying and they're MUA doesn't just send to the Reply-To (or at least ask them if they just want to send to the Reply-To), like a decent mailer like mutt would do :) But I'm as frothy a mutt bigot as some people are Debian bigots :) Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Question with boldness even the existence of a god." - Thomas Jefferson ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From kethry at winternet.com Tue Apr 10 09:44:51 2001 From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] stupid question In-Reply-To: <20010410093733.C11872@sherohman.org> Message-ID: Hi, all, I'm using RH 7.0, networked with the domain controller being a windows box - this is not normally a problem, but the sysadmin was working on the domain controller over the past week while I was out sick and on business trips, so I come back to find that the network connection to the linux box is down. Is there any way to recycle the network services without having to restart the box? Thanks, Liz Burke-Scovil -- Imagination is intelligence having fun... e-mail: kethry@winternet.com URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Tue Apr 10 10:03:19 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:59 2005 Subject: (Long OT)Re: [TCLUG] ogg vorbis trading In-Reply-To: <20010410091030.Q19732@ringworld.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Scott Dier wrote: > I don't think these people are uneducated hackers. The lead programmer > at least has some graduate school, and perhaps finished that, I cant > seem to find out easily for now. > > Heres a nifty interview: > http://www.advogato.org/article/56.html That is a good interview. I file Chris Montgomery (lead programmer) under "clueful" -- he makes the comment that can't just be "Free and as good as MPEG. I have to be Free and clearly better." I think that's spot on. He also says he doesn't want too much attention damaging their credibility because of something that isn't ready. Clearly, he does know the CODEC field. However, as he says, "There are pieces of the distribution (the psychoacoustics, signal processing, etc) that are deep wizardry... only a very few people would be able to help. Thankfully, there are many more pieces that any good hacker could wrap their mind around and make magic with." The thing I'm curious about is, can Open Source development compete against the *HEAVILY* funded corporate deep wizardry? We're not talking about a couple of guys somewhere. The 40 year old papers he was looking at and the 80 years of history is funded, published, and owned largely by AT&T Research. Look at http://www.research.att.com/info/jj to see just one of the guys (the one who invented MP3) he's competing against. Then realize that he worked in the Acoustic Research Dept., the Signal Processing Research Dept., the Speech Processing Software Technology Development Dept. This really is David and Goliath. I'd like to see Vorbis do it (open things up) -- jj's not allowed to tell even his friends some of the details of how he does what he does, and I'd like to know more about their perceptual model. *That's* the deep wizardry that I think this is going to come down to, and I don't think Vorbis has the resources to improve upon it. Worse yet, that's not the best AT&T has. The AAC coder is quite a bit better, and even more CPU efficient in encoding. Enough jabber. This isn't the perceptual coding list, I forgot I came here to talk about linux... Pardon the bandwidth, Phil M -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Tue Apr 10 10:07:08 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] nfs question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey, admin-heads, a question please: I've got at least one machine that sends me back cron.daily mail that says I've got some stale NFS handles. I nfs mount the Debian disks around the net and just leave them. Is this something broken, just a stupid warning, or should I do a cron job to remount them periodically? Thanks, Phil M -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Apr 10 10:14:12 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:18:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] stupid question In-Reply-To: ; from kethry@winternet.com on Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 09:44:51AM -0500 References: <20010410093733.C11872@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20010410101412.D910@hermes.sistina.com> On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 09:44:51AM -0500, Liz Burke-Scovill wrote: >Hi, all, > >I'm using RH 7.0, networked with the domain controller being a windows box >- this is not normally a problem, but the sysadmin was working on the >domain controller over the past week while I was out sick and on business >trips, so I come back to find that the network connection to the linux box >is down. Is there any way to recycle the network services without having >to restart the box? /etc/init.d/network restart At least I think that's the init script name in RootHack, it might be networking. Either way you'll need physical access to the box. > >Thanks, >Liz Burke-Scovil > >-- >Imagination is intelligence having fun... >e-mail: kethry@winternet.com >URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) $chown -R us.us yourbase -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Is there any way to recycle the network services without having > >to restart the box? > > /etc/init.d/network restart > > At least I think that's the init script name in RootHack, it might be > networking. Either way you'll need physical access to the box. > > > > >Thanks, > >Liz Burke-Scovil > > > >-- > >Imagination is intelligence having fun... > >e-mail: kethry@winternet.com > >URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html > > > >_______________________________________________ > >tclug-list mailing list > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- || || || || || || duncan shannon duncan@sodatrain.com From atebbe at real-time.com Tue Apr 10 10:18:55 2001 From: atebbe at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Distro volunteers for Thursday's installfest Message-ID: <20010410101855.O401@real-time.com> I'm looking for volunteers to help out on particular distros at the installfest at the linux conference on thursday. We can use all the help we can get. If you're able and willing to help, please email me name of distro(s) you can help wtih and time frame you can be there. Thanks! -- Amy Tanner Voice: 952.943.8700 Real Time Enterprises, Inc. Fax: 952.943.8500 amy@real-time.com http://www.real-time.com GPG Fingerprint: DAC7 E1B2 80D9 3099 1A20 0817 2DFE 5086 81B3 5466 From kethry at winternet.com Tue Apr 10 10:25:25 2001 From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] stupid question In-Reply-To: <20010410101412.D910@hermes.sistina.com> Message-ID: Thank you - and not a problem on access to the box - I built it, it sits at my desk :) I'll try and see if it works. Liz On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 09:44:51AM -0500, Liz Burke-Scovill wrote: > >Hi, all, > > > >I'm using RH 7.0, networked with the domain controller being a windows box > >- this is not normally a problem, but the sysadmin was working on the > >domain controller over the past week while I was out sick and on business > >trips, so I come back to find that the network connection to the linux box > >is down. Is there any way to recycle the network services without having > >to restart the box? > > /etc/init.d/network restart > > At least I think that's the init script name in RootHack, it might be > networking. Either way you'll need physical access to the box. > > > > >Thanks, > >Liz Burke-Scovil > > > >-- > >Imagination is intelligence having fun... > >e-mail: kethry@winternet.com > >URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html > > > >_______________________________________________ > >tclug-list mailing list > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Imagination is intelligence having fun... e-mail: kethry@winternet.com URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Tue Apr 10 10:29:03 2001 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] stupid question In-Reply-To: ; from kethry@winternet.com on Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 09:44:51AM -0500 References: <20010410093733.C11872@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20010410102903.C72761@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Yeah, just bring it down into a runlevel that doesn't have an active network, like single user: telinit 1 Then bring it back up into your multi-user level of choice. The default is 5, if I'm not mistaken. telinit 5 Keep in mind, you can't do this remotely, since you'll be bringing the network down. I know it's a dumb thing to say, if I've done stuff like that without thinking :) Gabe On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 09:44:51AM -0500, Liz Burke-Scovill wrote: > Hi, all, > > I'm using RH 7.0, networked with the domain controller being a windows box > - this is not normally a problem, but the sysadmin was working on the > domain controller over the past week while I was out sick and on business > trips, so I come back to find that the network connection to the linux box > is down. Is there any way to recycle the network services without having > to restart the box? > > Thanks, > Liz Burke-Scovil > > -- > Imagination is intelligence having fun... > e-mail: kethry@winternet.com > URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Question with boldness even the existence of a god." - Thomas Jefferson ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From kethry at winternet.com Tue Apr 10 10:29:12 2001 From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] stupid question In-Reply-To: <20010410101412.D910@hermes.sistina.com> Message-ID: ok - I'm happy - it works :) Thank you! On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 09:44:51AM -0500, Liz Burke-Scovill wrote: > >Hi, all, > > > >I'm using RH 7.0, networked with the domain controller being a windows box > >- this is not normally a problem, but the sysadmin was working on the > >domain controller over the past week while I was out sick and on business > >trips, so I come back to find that the network connection to the linux box > >is down. Is there any way to recycle the network services without having > >to restart the box? > > /etc/init.d/network restart > > At least I think that's the init script name in RootHack, it might be > networking. Either way you'll need physical access to the box. > > > > >Thanks, > >Liz Burke-Scovil > > > >-- > >Imagination is intelligence having fun... > >e-mail: kethry@winternet.com > >URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html > > > >_______________________________________________ > >tclug-list mailing list > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Imagination is intelligence having fun... e-mail: kethry@winternet.com URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Apr 10 10:37:08 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:00 2005 Subject: (Long OT)Re: [TCLUG] ogg vorbis trading In-Reply-To: ; from mend0070@tc.umn.edu on Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 10:03:19AM -0500 References: <20010410091030.Q19732@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010410103708.B1101@hermes.sistina.com> On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 10:03:19AM -0500, Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > >The thing I'm curious about is, can Open Source development compete >against the *HEAVILY* funded corporate deep wizardry? We're not talking >about a couple of guys somewhere. The 40 year old papers he was looking >at and the 80 years of history is funded, published, and owned largely by >AT&T Research. Of course they can! Look at linux and *BSD's competing nose-to-nose with the big corporate fleets of hackers. And holding thier own too I might add. Granted this isn't an apples to apples comparison but it's a good example of what the masses of "hobbyists" can accomplish. No matter what you wanna do, there is a hacker out there who cares not about getting paid but will do it for the challenge or for fun. > >I'd like to see Vorbis do it (open things up) -- jj's not allowed to tell >even his friends some of the details of how he does what he does, and I'd >like to know more about their perceptual model. *That's* the deep >wizardry that I think this is going to come down to, and I don't think >Vorbis has the resources to improve upon it. Worse yet, that's not the >best AT&T has. The AAC coder is quite a bit better, and even more CPU >efficient in encoding. No matter how smart you are, and no matter how great your idea is; someone smarter will come up with a better one. Can ya dig it? Can I get an amen brother!!! -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) $chown -R us.us yourbase -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If you're able and willing to help, please email me >name of distro(s) you can help wtih and time frame you can be there. > I'll help, debian is my fav, but I can install anything. I'll be there all day sporting my Sistina Shirt and can help people install GFS and LVM as well. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) $chown -R us.us yourbase -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010410/a1609523/attachment.pgp From dd-b at dd-b.net Tue Apr 10 10:46:16 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:00 2005 Subject: (Long OT)Re: [TCLUG] ogg vorbis trading In-Reply-To: <20010410103708.B1101@hermes.sistina.com> References: <20010410091030.Q19732@ringworld.org> <20010410103708.B1101@hermes.sistina.com> Message-ID: Ben Lutgens writes: > On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 10:03:19AM -0500, Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > > > >The thing I'm curious about is, can Open Source development compete > >against the *HEAVILY* funded corporate deep wizardry? We're not talking > >about a couple of guys somewhere. The 40 year old papers he was looking > >at and the 80 years of history is funded, published, and owned largely by > >AT&T Research. > > Of course they can! Look at linux and *BSD's competing nose-to-nose with the > big corporate fleets of hackers. And holding thier own too I might add. > Granted this isn't an apples to apples comparison but it's a good example of > what the masses of "hobbyists" can accomplish. No matter what you wanna do, > there is a hacker out there who cares not about getting paid but will do it > for the challenge or for fun. OS internals is chickenfeed compared to psycho-perceptual models. Sure, somebody smarter will always come along; but not necessarily this decade. -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Tue Apr 10 10:52:04 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:00 2005 Subject: (Long OT)Re: [TCLUG] ogg vorbis trading In-Reply-To: <20010410103708.B1101@hermes.sistina.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 10:03:19AM -0500, Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > > > >The thing I'm curious about is, can Open Source development compete > >against the *HEAVILY* funded corporate deep wizardry? We're not talking > >about a couple of guys somewhere. The 40 year old papers he was looking > >at and the 80 years of history is funded, published, and owned largely by > >AT&T Research. > > Of course they can! Look at linux and *BSD's competing nose-to-nose with the > big corporate fleets of hackers. And holding thier own too I might add. > Granted this isn't an apples to apples comparison but it's a good example of > what the masses of "hobbyists" can accomplish. No matter what you wanna do, > there is a hacker out there who cares not about getting paid but will do it > for the challenge or for fun. Um, no offense, but there's a difference between building an operating system, which can be abstractly defined to do whatever you want it to and physical research. I haven't heard of too many open source moon shots, though there's probably more than a few of us that would love to dig in. > No matter how smart you are, and no matter how great your idea is; someone > smarter will come up with a better one. Can ya dig it? > > Can I get an amen brother!!! "Youth, enthusiasm, and talent are no match for old age and treachery." ;) That said, I'd still like to see Vorbis do it, but I won't put any money on 'em. Cheers, Phil -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From jacque at fruitioninc.com Tue Apr 10 10:49:39 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Distro volunteers for Thursday's installfest In-Reply-To: <20010410103836.C1101@hermes.sistina.com> Message-ID: > > I'll help, debian is my fav, but I can install anything. I'll be > there all day > sporting my Sistina Shirt and can help people install GFS and LVM as well. > Thanks for the warning! ;op ~jacque From jsowers at osii.com Tue Apr 10 10:53:57 2001 From: jsowers at osii.com (Jason Sowers) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] stupid question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: /etc/rc.d/init.d/network restart that easy man -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Liz Burke-Scovill Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 9:45 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] stupid question Hi, all, I'm using RH 7.0, networked with the domain controller being a windows box - this is not normally a problem, but the sysadmin was working on the domain controller over the past week while I was out sick and on business trips, so I come back to find that the network connection to the linux box is down. Is there any way to recycle the network services without having to restart the box? Thanks, Liz Burke-Scovil -- Imagination is intelligence having fun... e-mail: kethry@winternet.com URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Apr 10 11:10:45 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:00 2005 Subject: (Long OT)Re: [TCLUG] ogg vorbis trading In-Reply-To: ; from dd-b@dd-b.net on Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 10:46:16AM -0500 References: <20010410091030.Q19732@ringworld.org> <20010410103708.B1101@hermes.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010410111044.A1440@hermes.sistina.com> On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 10:46:16AM -0500, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: >OS internals is chickenfeed compared to psycho-perceptual models. Perhaps, but the fact still remains that it's engineers solving problems. No amount of money will make the engineers in questions smarter. Think in terms of Freedom Fighters fighting for something they beleive in going against hired mercenaries. Which one will run and hide first? The hired guns, the zealots will continue on to the death. That last was mostly my sick sense of humor. > >Sure, somebody smarter will always come along; but not necessarily >this decade. Well met. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) My other computer is a 3,000 node beowulf cluster sporting GFS. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I think it came along to late in the game. It lacked that timing that would guarantee that deep markey penetration. If someone introduced another cushy windows like OS that was better, it wouldn't make it. Doze is too deep seeded in that market. > >That said, I'd still like to see Vorbis do it, but I won't put any money >on 'em. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) My other computer is a 3,000 node beowulf cluster sporting GFS. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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System Administrator) My other computer is a 3,000 node beowulf cluster sporting GFS. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010410/c61ec4f5/attachment.pgp From cbidler at talkware.net Tue Apr 10 11:42:46 2001 From: cbidler at talkware.net (Chris Bidler) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:01 2005 Subject: (Long OT)Re: [TCLUG] ogg vorbis trading References: <20010410103708.B1101@hermes.sistina.com> <20010410111358.B1440@hermes.sistina.com> Message-ID: <3AD33806.1090409@talkware.net> Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 10:52:04AM -0500, Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > >>> Can I get an amen brother!!! >> >> "Youth, enthusiasm, and talent are no match for old age and treachery." >> ;) > > > > HAHAHA, I am not all that enthused about vorbis, I added that cause I thought > it was funny. I'd to would like to see them succeed but wouldn't hold my > breath. But has nothing to do with intelligence of the hackers, it's more a > timing issue. I think it came along to late in the game. It lacked that timing > that would guarantee that deep markey penetration. > > If someone introduced another cushy windows like OS that was better, it > wouldn't make it. Doze is too deep seeded in that market. > >> That said, I'd still like to see Vorbis do it, but I won't put any money >> on 'em. > I'd like to point out that the consumer market isn't the only place where a decent (not necessarily MPEG-AAC-killa), royalty-free encoder is going to be attractive. Think of all the game developers out there who look at Ogg/Vorbis, and then look at MP3 (cue snarling, drooling Fraunhofer lawyer pack), and think to themselves "do I really want to pay out $0.50/disc to Fraunhofer if I don't *have* to?" That's one example, but there are plenty of places where sound will need to be compressed and then distributed to the masses, other than pillaging the storehouses of popular music for our listening pleasure. If Fraunhofer really does get off their ass and start enforcing licensing agreements, all of them will be ripe for Ogg/Vorbis. If, that is, enough people are aware of the technology and willing to speak intelligently about it for a couple of minutes, so that They Who Decide(tm) are made aware of the option. Open source "evangelism" isn't always about convincing people to abandon a perfectly good solution for an equally good Free one. Sometimes it's about providing exactly what a person/company has been looking for, if they only knew where to look. :) -- <----------------------------------------------------------------------> Chris H. Bidler cbidler@talkware.net Associate Engineer, Sysadmin Group Universal Talkware Corp. "In any event, is a O^(log N) search that returns the wrong answer really better than an O^N search that returns the right answer?" <----------------------------------------------------------------------> From andy at theasis.com Tue Apr 10 11:37:33 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:01 2005 Subject: (Long OT)Re: [TCLUG] ogg vorbis trading In-Reply-To: <20010410111044.A1440@hermes.sistina.com> Message-ID: > On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 10:46:16AM -0500, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > >OS internals is chickenfeed compared to psycho-perceptual models. > > > Perhaps, but the fact still remains that it's engineers solving problems. No Engineers and psychologists and statisticians and a whole research team that's very well-funded. This is University/post-graduate level research, but with more resources, and more direction. The problem-solving is based on a lot of historical research and literature. There *is* literature available, e.g., for psychoacoustical modeling, but how many people in the enthusiastic open source hacker geek community actually want to go sit in libraries and read journals in 3-4 different disciplines to start getting a handle on the problem? Most of the interested parties I encounter won't read anything that's not on a web site. Andy From thefishyone at hotmail.com Tue Apr 10 12:35:30 2001 From: thefishyone at hotmail.com (Matt Waters) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Distro volunteers for Thursday's installfest Message-ID: There's gonna be an installfest? Cool! Is it going to be this Thursday, or the one following it? ---------- The Fishy One's Infinite Wisdom #8: "Life is anything that dies when you stomp on it." New wisdom every week! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Tue Apr 10 12:36:16 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] what's it called In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Does anyone remember the name of the utility that was mentioned to tell what OS a server is running? BTW, www.irs.gov is one heck of a useful website -- and good too. (I would be really tickled to see if it were running on Linux). Phil M -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From duncan at sodatrain.com Tue Apr 10 11:49:14 2001 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] what's it called In-Reply-To: Message-ID: uname -a On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > Does anyone remember the name of the utility that was mentioned to tell > what OS a server is running? > > BTW, www.irs.gov is one heck of a useful website -- and good too. (I > would be really tickled to see if it were running on Linux). > > Phil M > -- || || || || || || duncan shannon duncan@sodatrain.com From clay at fandre.com Tue Apr 10 12:43:44 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] what's it called References: Message-ID: <3AD34650.6216C79A@fandre.com> Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > > Does anyone remember the name of the utility that was mentioned to tell > what OS a server is running? > > BTW, www.irs.gov is one heck of a useful website -- and good too. (I > would be really tickled to see if it were running on Linux). > http://www.netcraft.com From esper at sherohman.org Tue Apr 10 12:47:07 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] what's it called In-Reply-To: ; from mend0070@tc.umn.edu on Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 12:36:16PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010410124707.I11872@sherohman.org> On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 12:36:16PM -0500, Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > Does anyone remember the name of the utility that was mentioned to tell > what OS a server is running? Something like http://uptime.netcraft.com/? > BTW, www.irs.gov is one heck of a useful website -- and good too. (I > would be really tickled to see if it were running on Linux). According to netcraft: --- The site www.irs.gov is running Netscape-Enterprise/2.01 on HP-UX. Netscape-Enterprise is also being used by BT Trustwise, Bayer Motoren Werk, www.disney.com and Playboy --- -- That's not gibberish... It's Linux. - Byers, The Lone Gunmen Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Tue Apr 10 12:47:04 2001 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] what's it called In-Reply-To: ; from mend0070@tc.umn.edu on Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 12:36:16PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010410124704.F73088@sorry.cs.umn.edu> If you want to to it remotely, nmap does a decent job of guessing a machine's OS. I think you need to pass it the -O option. Gabe On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 12:36:16PM -0500, Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > Does anyone remember the name of the utility that was mentioned to tell > what OS a server is running? > > BTW, www.irs.gov is one heck of a useful website -- and good too. (I > would be really tickled to see if it were running on Linux). > > Phil M > -- > "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "If a god of love and life ever did exist, he's long since dead... Someone, some _thing_, rules in his place." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Tue Apr 10 12:48:07 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] what's it called In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks, but that does your local system. I though there was one that would query a web server. On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, duncan wrote: > uname -a > > On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > > > Does anyone remember the name of the utility that was mentioned to tell > > what OS a server is running? > > > > BTW, www.irs.gov is one heck of a useful website -- and good too. (I > > would be really tickled to see if it were running on Linux). > > > > Phil M > > > > -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Tue Apr 10 12:50:17 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] what's it called In-Reply-To: <3AD34650.6216C79A@fandre.com> Message-ID: That did it. irs.gov is HP/UX, btw. On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Clay Fandre wrote: > Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > > > > Does anyone remember the name of the utility that was mentioned to tell > > what OS a server is running? > > > > BTW, www.irs.gov is one heck of a useful website -- and good too. (I > > would be really tickled to see if it were running on Linux). > > > > http://www.netcraft.com > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From clay at fandre.com Tue Apr 10 12:51:51 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] what's it called References: <3AD34650.6216C79A@fandre.com> Message-ID: <3AD34837.A5B4F344@fandre.com> Clay Fandre wrote: > > Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > > > > Does anyone remember the name of the utility that was mentioned to tell > > what OS a server is running? > > > > BTW, www.irs.gov is one heck of a useful website -- and good too. (I > > would be really tickled to see if it were running on Linux). > > > > http://www.netcraft.com And no, they're running HP-UX. http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?host=www.irs.gov From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Tue Apr 10 13:31:08 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 1 GB file limit ? Message-ID: <20010410133107.A21267@baker.space.umn.edu> Does anyone know of any 1 GB limits on file size? The situation is I'm recording audio from the line in on my pentium laptop (using gramofile), but saving the file via NFS to Sparc IPX. Both are running ~ 2.2.17 kernels and the NFS kernel server. After 100 minutes recording cuts off when the file size is 1GB. Its probably just a bug in gramofile, since I though that the large file limit was 2 GB for 2.2 kernels. Is that right? I can get around the problem by splitting the file every hour or so, but if there is an easy fix, I'd love to hear it. -- Jim Crumley | crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | From veldy at veldy.net Tue Apr 10 13:38:04 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 1 GB file limit ? References: <20010410133107.A21267@baker.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <008601c0c1ed$61885b30$3028680a@tgt.com> Yes -- 2 GB. Perhaps you are using up inodes? That seems unlikely though if you are storing everything in one file. Maybe the file is being created via a memory map. I believe you are limitted to 1GB of memory. That is a stretch though. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Crumley" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 1:31 PM Subject: [TCLUG] 1 GB file limit ? > Does anyone know of any 1 GB limits on file size? > > The situation is I'm recording audio from the line in on my > pentium laptop (using gramofile), but saving the file via > NFS to Sparc IPX. Both are running ~ 2.2.17 kernels and the > NFS kernel server. After 100 minutes recording cuts off > when the file size is 1GB. Its probably just a bug in gramofile, > since I though that the large file limit was 2 GB for 2.2 kernels. > Is that right? > > I can get around the problem by splitting the file every hour > or so, but if there is an easy fix, I'd love to hear it. > > -- > Jim Crumley | > crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | > Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From drake at lemongecko.org Tue Apr 10 12:57:26 2001 From: drake at lemongecko.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 1 GB file limit ? In-Reply-To: <20010410133107.A21267@baker.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Jim Crumley wrote: > The situation is I'm recording audio from the line in on my > pentium laptop (using gramofile), but saving the file via > NFS to Sparc IPX. Both are running ~ 2.2.17 kernels and the > NFS kernel server. After 100 minutes recording cuts off > when the file size is 1GB. Its probably just a bug in gramofile, > since I though that the large file limit was 2 GB for 2.2 kernels. > Is that right? I've recently been rearranging some partitions, and have been playing with several 1GB+ files. One is about 2.2GB and I don't have any problems. It's probably a gramofile bug; NFS might be suspect too, although I don't know much about NFS. Dan From thudak at sistina.com Tue Apr 10 14:03:06 2001 From: thudak at sistina.com (Tom Hudak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Progeny Debian In-Reply-To: <20010409150600.D1939@hermes.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 03:06:01PM -0500 References: <20010409115638.B1354@hermes.sistina.com> <20010409193800.76684.qmail@web11106.mail.yahoo.com> <20010409150600.D1939@hermes.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010410140306.F8037@localhost> On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 03:06:01PM -0500, Ben Lutgens wrote: >well for one, grub failed to install and left my system unbootable after the >first reboot into the new system. For another I didn't like the absence of >some of apts tools (they're probably there now) and when I tried to add in >debian's sources.list lines things got totally hosed somehow. That's because you are supposed to use progeny's sources fool. :-) progeny is a hack on debian/testing It was a while ago so I can't remmeber. Tom is running it on his laptop (at >least he was) and had similar dislikes (except grub, he loves grub) perhaps >he'd elaborate more. I wasn't to pleased with RC1 or the beta's but any of the issues I was having are seemingly gone in 1.0. I think Ben's problems with grub are related to his vaio. I have had no problems at all, and in fact, I'll probably never use lilo again. As far as overall use goes, it's just like a debian install, all the external debian sources (ie, non-debian system source lines.) work fine. I have gnome 1.4 installed, the cvs-builds of enlightenment and whatnot, and it all works beautifully. PCMCIA scheme's do not seem to want to work too well though, I'll keep hacking on that, but it's not a progeny issue. (I don't think.) Thanks, -- Thomas J. Hudak Systems Administrator Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com Phone: 612.379.3951 Page: 612.318.1967 Fax: 612.379.3952 Key fingerprint = BEC6 3181 4C9B A7BB AF11 4717 6F85 B346 380D 523E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010410/8e086928/attachment.pgp From thudak at sistina.com Tue Apr 10 14:08:09 2001 From: thudak at sistina.com (Tom Hudak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The downfall of VA In-Reply-To: <20010408232238.E9645@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 11:22:38PM -0500 References: <20010408232238.E9645@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010410140809.G8037@localhost> >I'll make my letter to VA public on this list and the tclug web site. I will >also post it to slashdot and linuxtoday. You may also consider providing copies to some of the VA employees directly. Quite a few hang out on irc.openprojects.net in various linux channels. #e seems to have an especially high concentration, and I was able to go direct to the programmers for help on the issue instead of dealing with the moronic excuse for tech-support, and we got our issue with vacm resolved within 10 minutes. Support seems better when it's skipped completely and you have the guys who wrote it looking at your problem. :-) Thanks, -- Thomas J. Hudak Systems Administrator Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com Phone: 612.379.3951 Page: 612.318.1967 Fax: 612.379.3952 Key fingerprint = BEC6 3181 4C9B A7BB AF11 4717 6F85 B346 380D 523E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010410/a09847f6/attachment.pgp From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Apr 10 14:28:53 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 1 GB file limit ? In-Reply-To: <20010410133107.A21267@baker.space.umn.edu>; from crumley@belka.space.umn.edu on Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 01:31:08PM -0500 References: <20010410133107.A21267@baker.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010410142853.D2426@hermes.sistina.com> On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 01:31:08PM -0500, Jim Crumley wrote: >Does anyone know of any 1 GB limits on file size? > >The situation is I'm recording audio from the line in on my >pentium laptop (using gramofile), but saving the file via >NFS to Sparc IPX. Both are running ~ 2.2.17 kernels and the >NFS kernel server. After 100 minutes recording cuts off >when the file size is 1GB. Its probably just a bug in gramofile, >since I though that the large file limit was 2 GB for 2.2 kernels. >Is that right? install gfs. :-) > >I can get around the problem by splitting the file every hour >or so, but if there is an easy fix, I'd love to hear it. > >-- >Jim Crumley | >crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | >Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) My other computer is a 3,000 node beowulf cluster sporting GFS. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010410/17648279/attachment.pgp From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Apr 10 14:31:52 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Progeny Debian In-Reply-To: <20010410140306.F8037@localhost>; from thudak@sistina.com on Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 02:03:06PM -0500 References: <20010409115638.B1354@hermes.sistina.com> <20010409193800.76684.qmail@web11106.mail.yahoo.com> <20010409150600.D1939@hermes.sistina.com> <20010410140306.F8037@localhost> Message-ID: <20010410143152.E2426@hermes.sistina.com> On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 02:03:06PM -0500, Tom Hudak wrote: >That's because you are supposed to use progeny's sources fool. :-) > progeny is a hack on debian/testing You overwrote the entire progeny distro with debian, that's like upgrading >your redhat6.2 install with the valinux 6.2 disk. Hey, according to thier website at the time it was built from debian/unstable and that packæges were interchangeable (there was no testing yet) they even recommended using debian's sources.list lines. >I wasn't to pleased with RC1 or the beta's but any of the issues I was having >are seemingly gone in 1.0. I think Ben's problems with grub are related to his >vaio. I have had no problems at all, and in fact, I'll probably never use lilo >again. Yeah, grub will NOT install on my vaio at all. > >As far as overall use goes, it's just like a debian install, all the external >debian sources (ie, non-debian system source lines.) work fine. I have gnome >1.4 installed, the cvs-builds of enlightenment and whatnot, and it all works >beautifully. Hrm, so you upgraded already? Is the install any smoother? > >PCMCIA scheme's do not seem to want to work too well though, I'll keep hacking >on that, but it's not a progeny issue. (I don't think.) All I can say is email david hinds and PCMCIA crew (maybe submit some patches) -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.3951 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) My other computer is a 3,000 node beowulf cluster sporting GFS. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010410/e80b18a4/attachment.pgp From simeonuj at eetc.com Tue Apr 10 14:36:46 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Progeny Debian References: <20010409115638.B1354@hermes.sistina.com> <20010409193800.76684.qmail@web11106.mail.yahoo.com> <20010409150600.D1939@hermes.sistina.com> <20010410140306.F8037@localhost> Message-ID: <3AD360A2.DCF094A6@eetc.com> I just got the CD written today and am going to try to install tonight. What is the difference between grub and lilo? And, can I install with grub on the first part of the partition instead of in the MBR like lilo? I have a 13.6 GB HD and have Win98/Trustix-1.2/RedHat-7.0 installed to triple boot with a bit of room left over for another distro or 2 ( maybe a BSD ). In other words, will it play well with lilo? I would like to try it out. sim Tom Hudak wrote: > On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 03:06:01PM -0500, Ben Lutgens wrote: > >well for one, grub failed to install and left my system unbootable after the > >first reboot into the new system. For another I didn't like the absence of > >some of apts tools (they're probably there now) and when I tried to add in > >debian's sources.list lines things got totally hosed somehow. > That's because you are supposed to use progeny's sources fool. :-) > progeny is a hack on debian/testing You overwrote the entire progeny distro with debian, that's like upgrading > your redhat6.2 install with the valinux 6.2 disk. > >It was a while ago so I can't remmeber. Tom is running it on his laptop (at > >least he was) and had similar dislikes (except grub, he loves grub) perhaps > >he'd elaborate more. > I wasn't to pleased with RC1 or the beta's but any of the issues I was having > are seemingly gone in 1.0. I think Ben's problems with grub are related to his > vaio. I have had no problems at all, and in fact, I'll probably never use lilo > again. > > As far as overall use goes, it's just like a debian install, all the external > debian sources (ie, non-debian system source lines.) work fine. I have gnome > 1.4 installed, the cvs-builds of enlightenment and whatnot, and it all works > beautifully. > > PCMCIA scheme's do not seem to want to work too well though, I'll keep hacking > on that, but it's not a progeny issue. (I don't think.) > Thanks, > -- > Thomas J. Hudak > Systems Administrator > Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com > Phone: 612.379.3951 > Page: 612.318.1967 > Fax: 612.379.3952 > Key fingerprint = BEC6 3181 4C9B A7BB AF11 4717 6F85 B346 380D 523E > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature From simeonuj at eetc.com Tue Apr 10 16:52:53 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telocity DSL Message-ID: <3AD380AC.71F4B6DF@eetc.com> I am going to get DSL at home and was wondering if anyone here has used Telocity? It looks very interesting. They say they will basically do everything for free and charge $50 a month for 768/408 Kbps SDSL (They "Optimize" the download speed. That sounds scary ). They also have a lot of different extras. 5 mail addresses, web space and address, static IP address, etc, etc, etc. Even says they support Linux. : ) Are they any good? http://www.telocity.com/ sim From natecars at real-time.com Tue Apr 10 17:09:03 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telocity DSL In-Reply-To: <3AD380AC.71F4B6DF@eetc.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Simeon Johnston wrote: > I am going to get DSL at home and was wondering if anyone here has used > Telocity? It looks very interesting. They say they will basically do > everything for free and charge $50 a month for 768/408 Kbps SDSL (They > "Optimize" the download speed. That sounds scary ). I just ordered it. Rythyms guy installed it last Fri. I should have it up by the end of next week.. I'll let you know. :) > They also have a lot of different extras. 5 mail addresses, web space > and address, static IP address, etc, etc, etc. Even says they support > Linux. : ) > Are they any good? > > http://www.telocity.com/ > > sim > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From tanner at real-time.com Sun Apr 8 22:47:08 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Snowhite and the Seven Dwarfs - The REAL story! In-Reply-To: ; from veldy@veldy.net on Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 11:43:16PM -0500 References: <006601c0bc3b$56c46de0$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <20010408224708.B9645@real-time.com> Quoting Thomas T. Veldhouse (veldy@veldy.net): > What's up with this email? I sent this 4 or 5 days ago? > I have to approve email with Snowhite in the subject. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Tue Apr 10 17:19:39 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telocity DSL In-Reply-To: <3AD380AC.71F4B6DF@eetc.com> Message-ID: It does look like they "get it." I just read their terms of service, and even those are reasonable -- they won't allow you to do mass e-mailing (spam) -- Cool! They also won't let you use residential service for commercial purposes, i.e., don't run the ordering system for iHouseOfPancakes.com at home -- though I bet if they caught you they'd just make you upgrade to business services. Hardware's free. Pretty cool. Keep us posted, Nate, eh? On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Simeon Johnston wrote: > I am going to get DSL at home and was wondering if anyone here has used > Telocity? It looks very interesting. They say they will basically do > everything for free and charge $50 a month for 768/408 Kbps SDSL (They > "Optimize" the download speed. That sounds scary ). > They also have a lot of different extras. 5 mail addresses, web space > and address, static IP address, etc, etc, etc. Even says they support > Linux. : ) > Are they any good? > > http://www.telocity.com/ > > sim > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From chrome at real-time.com Tue Apr 10 17:25:01 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cases In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10978C@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 01:23:25PM -0500 References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10978C@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010410172501.S18781@real-time.com> > Palo Alto (we need a Fry's here). Case outlet (http://www.caseoutlet.com), > check out the black Yeong Yang cube server. It's only 13 inches high > though, seems kinda small. not at all. I've got one; and the people here at Real-Time will attest that it's a pretty kickass case. easy drive access; *lots* of fan space; easy mobo access. my only gripes with it are that a. routing cables is a bit of a pain, since you have to go around the dividing center wall. b. the front panel is held on by flimsy spring clips, and you need to take the front panel off to get the sides off. for those who haven't seen what we're talking about; it's a black almost-cube; sort of like a smaller version of the double-wide server cases. the mobo goes on one side; and the drives on the other. ventilation is *really* good; and there is space for all the drives most people will likely want to put in there. Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From sgrobe at mn.rr.com Tue Apr 10 17:37:42 2001 From: sgrobe at mn.rr.com (Steve Grobe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:02 2005 Subject: (Long OT)Re: [TCLUG] ogg vorbis trading Message-ID: <071642536220a41FE5@mail5.mn.rr.com> Given that everyone on this list has a leg up on me, AMEN BROTHER!!! >No matter how smart you are, and no matter how great your idea is; someone >smarter will come up with a better one. Can ya dig it? > >Can I get an amen brother!!! From clay at fandre.com Tue Apr 10 17:44:06 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telocity DSL References: Message-ID: <3AD38CB6.B0C68F6D@fandre.com> Nate Carlson wrote: > > On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Simeon Johnston wrote: > > I am going to get DSL at home and was wondering if anyone here has used > > Telocity? It looks very interesting. They say they will basically do > > everything for free and charge $50 a month for 768/408 Kbps SDSL (They > > "Optimize" the download speed. That sounds scary ). > > I just ordered it. Rythyms guy installed it last Fri. I should have it up > by the end of next week.. > > I'll let you know. :) I was getting service through PhoenixDSL, who was bought out by MegaPath, who then sold us to Telocity. I'm having some problem with them trying to get my service restored. Apparently during the migration my credit card info got messed up and they disconnected me without warning. That was a over a week ago. I'm still trying to get it turned back on. Now they say 3 weeks max. I've been on the phone with them over a dozen times in the past week and have mixed reviews about their service. One time I was on hold for over an hour. Most of the time I get right through. Also there were a few 'snooty' phone support operators that I should have hung up on. The other times they were great. Proceed at your own risk. From andy at theasis.com Tue Apr 10 17:48:41 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IPTables logging config Message-ID: I'm running a 2.4.2 firewall box with IPtables, and would like to change some of the logging behavior, but don't find much help in the man pages... First, the default logfile is /var/log/messages. How do I configure it to dump all logs into, e.g., /var/log/firewall? Second, I'm getting regular periodic pings from a particular source to the firewall. How do I tell iptables skip logging on only pings from that source to the firewall (but log all others)? Thanks for any help, Andy From destef at destef.com Tue Apr 10 18:16:48 2001 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telocity DSL In-Reply-To: References: <3AD380AC.71F4B6DF@eetc.com> Message-ID: <200104102316.f3ANGZN08703@destef.com> I'm signing up (funny they will give me DSL service but Qwaste wont). I'm sick of DHCP and my cable modem (although the speed is not bad). Some negatives for Telocity is that the rep i talked to said that they dont offer static subnets, only 1 static, the rest DHCP (I can *live* with that over DHCP-only with time warner). They also only offer "one level of service" so i was told so there currently is no "business service" for the power user. But i dont really need that for now either. Being able to run my own ftp server for friends is nice (of course i wasnt with road-runner....hehe). I'll let you all know my experience once I have the service. Jason At 05:19 PM 4/10/01 -0500, you wrote: >It does look like they "get it." I just read their terms of service, and >even those are reasonable -- they won't allow you to do mass e-mailing >(spam) -- Cool! They also won't let you use residential service for >commercial purposes, i.e., don't run the ordering >system for iHouseOfPancakes.com at home -- though I bet if they caught you >they'd just make you upgrade to business services. Hardware's >free. Pretty cool. Keep us posted, Nate, eh? > >On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Simeon Johnston wrote: > >> I am going to get DSL at home and was wondering if anyone here has used >> Telocity? It looks very interesting. They say they will basically do >> everything for free and charge $50 a month for 768/408 Kbps SDSL (They >> "Optimize" the download speed. That sounds scary ). >> They also have a lot of different extras. 5 mail addresses, web space >> and address, static IP address, etc, etc, etc. Even says they support >> Linux. : ) >> Are they any good? >> >> http://www.telocity.com/ >> >> sim >> >> _______________________________________________ >> tclug-list mailing list >> tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > >-- >"To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tanner at real-time.com Tue Apr 10 19:23:01 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMware, setiathome and uptime Message-ID: <20010410192301.I23448@real-time.com> So, how can a VMWare session been more stable then normal windows? I have a VMWare session running setiathome and it's been doing it for 121 days now. Durning this time, I have done several very large Visio diagrams. I have NEVER gotten this to happen/work under plain windows. On plan windows, just doing setiathome, I have had 17 days of uptime. That is the max. For your clients who WON'T do linux, just install linux, vmware and run all their MS crap inside a VM! -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Tue Apr 10 19:27:14 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Offline web browsing? Message-ID: <20010410192714.J23448@real-time.com> Any niffty tools for offline web browsing for linux? I know I could wget the stuff, but anything else? I want to suck down a site's techincal stuff to a level of 4 deep and read it on an up-and-coming long plane trip. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From florin at iucha.net Tue Apr 10 19:30:44 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ogg vorbis trading In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Apr 2001 andy@theasis.com wrote: > > And if you would do a little research you'd figure out that a lot of > > apps do support Ogg, and many more will in the future. The more it's > > used, the faster it will be accepted as a standard. > > How many pieces of hardware? > as in car players, little flash-memory ones, PDAs with both MP3 and > Ogg decoders, etc? How many hardware MP3 decoders you have? If you have a hardware decoder, I undestand you need for backward compatibility. If it's only software... new/better versions come up all the time. I for one will hold on buying a portable MP3/OGG player until they will have a longer battery life, and smaller dimesions over capacity ratio. florin From atebbe at real-time.com Tue Apr 10 19:43:01 2001 From: atebbe at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Distro volunteers for Thursday's installfest In-Reply-To: ; from thefishyone@hotmail.com on Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 12:35:30PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010410194301.X401@real-time.com> On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 12:35:30PM -0500, Matt Waters (thefishyone@hotmail.com) wrote: > There's gonna be an installfest? Cool! Is it going to be this Thursday, or > the one following it? This Thursday, April 12th, 10:30 - 5:00pm, in conjunction with the linux conference. -- Amy Tanner Voice: 952.943.8700 Real Time Enterprises, Inc. Fax: 952.943.8500 amy@real-time.com http://www.real-time.com GPG Fingerprint: DAC7 E1B2 80D9 3099 1A20 0817 2DFE 5086 81B3 5466 From drake at lemongecko.org Tue Apr 10 19:47:33 2001 From: drake at lemongecko.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bye, bye, Bill! In-Reply-To: <20010410133107.A21267@baker.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: I've been wanting to completely delete Windows from my box -- in the past few months I've hardly used it anyway -- and I wanted to do it with a little bit of *style*. Exhibit A: bash script called "buhbye": ------------------- #!/bin/bash foo=$* if [ -f "$foo" ]; then echo Bye bye, Bill! > "$foo" fi ------------------------ Exhibit B: a couple commands: $ cd /mnt/c/windows/ $ find -name '*' -exec buhbye {} \; The result? A bunch of files, each 15 bytes long, each bidding a not-so-fond farewell to Chairman Bill and his OS! I just thought you guys would appreciate this. It feels good to have a totally Microsoft-free computer. :) Dan -- /*-------------------------------- Dan Drake http://lemongecko.org/drake/ --------pgp encouraged----------*/ From veldy at veldy.net Tue Apr 10 20:12:46 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telocity DSL References: <3AD380AC.71F4B6DF@eetc.com> Message-ID: <004101c0c224$84f87320$0100a8c0@cascade> I do believe that it is 768/108. The other typical Covad option is 1.5M/384. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simeon Johnston" To: "TCLUG" Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 4:52 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Telocity DSL > I am going to get DSL at home and was wondering if anyone here has used > Telocity? It looks very interesting. They say they will basically do > everything for free and charge $50 a month for 768/408 Kbps SDSL (They > "Optimize" the download speed. That sounds scary ). > They also have a lot of different extras. 5 mail addresses, web space > and address, static IP address, etc, etc, etc. Even says they support > Linux. : ) > Are they any good? > > http://www.telocity.com/ > > sim > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From simeonuj at eetc.com Tue Apr 10 21:09:48 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Progeny Debian References: <20010409115638.B1354@hermes.sistina.com> <20010409193800.76684.qmail@web11106.mail.yahoo.com> <20010409150600.D1939@hermes.sistina.com> <20010410140306.F8037@localhost> <3AD360A2.DCF094A6@eetc.com> Message-ID: <3AD3BCE4.A8EF0E19@eetc.com> I just got done sort of installing Progeny. I started it up and started to install it only to find out it installed Grub in the MBR. I have no experience with Grub and already had 3 OS's booting off of lilo. I didn't see any options for Grub to install it on the first part of the partition. No options for a custom install ( unless you wanted to go to a command line and do it from there. I don't know enough about linux to do that ). Maybe I missed something. Other than that and the fact that it didn't detect my mouse correctly when it went into Xwindow mode it was pretty cool. I had the mouse problem before with Redhat also ( the newer 7 beta. Wolverine? ). It keeps detecting a PS/2 mouse ( I have a port but I disabled it and yet I still apparently have a mouse attached to it ). I thought it was cool that it detected all my hardware. No other distro did that correctly. It even inserted the modules. Other than that it was pretty cool. At least what I got to see. I didn't get the whole thing configured because of the mouse thing ( they should at least allow you to change that manually ). I also just got my first experience with RIP ( Rescue Is Possible ). It rocks. Everything back to normal now. : ) sim Simeon Johnston wrote: > I just got the CD written today and am going to try to install tonight. > What is the difference between grub and lilo? And, can I install with grub on > the first part of the partition instead of in the MBR like lilo? > I have a 13.6 GB HD and have Win98/Trustix-1.2/RedHat-7.0 installed to triple > boot with a bit of room left over for another distro or 2 ( maybe a BSD ). > In other words, will it play well with lilo? I would like to try it out. > > sim From m_nassar at yahoo.com Tue Apr 10 21:45:28 2001 From: m_nassar at yahoo.com (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Offline web browsing? In-Reply-To: <200104110151.f3B1p8t22221@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010411024528.45207.qmail@web10101.mail.yahoo.com> i was looking into the same thing a week or so ago, i found something called httrack, www.httrack.com, but i have not been able to use it properly (i havnt spent the time on it)... let me know how it works for you -munir > Message: 12 > Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:27:14 -0500 > From: Bob Tanner > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Offline web browsing? > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Any niffty tools for offline web browsing for linux? > > I know I could wget the stuff, but anything else? > > I want to suck down a site's techincal stuff to a > level of 4 deep and read it on > an up-and-coming long plane trip. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : > (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : > (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 > E5 35 85 39 D9 ===== -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GAT GIT dpu- s:- a19 C++ UL P+ L+(++) E--- W+ N+ w(--) K? O-- M- V- PS+ PE-(--) Y-- PGP-(---) t 5+++ X R tv-- b+++ D++ DI++ G e+ h+() r- y+ UF++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From jack at jacku.com Tue Apr 10 21:44:58 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMware, setiathome and uptime In-Reply-To: <20010410192301.I23448@real-time.com> References: <20010410192301.I23448@real-time.com> Message-ID: <01041021445801.01251@geezer> Is that the "full" package or Express? Though I imagine it won't make a difference. Jack On Tuesday 10 April 2001 19:23, you wrote: > So, how can a VMWare session been more stable then normal windows? > > I have a VMWare session running setiathome and it's been doing it for 121 > days now. Durning this time, I have done several very large Visio diagrams. > > I have NEVER gotten this to happen/work under plain windows. > > On plan windows, just doing setiathome, I have had 17 days of uptime. That > is the max. > > For your clients who WON'T do linux, just install linux, vmware and run all > their MS crap inside a VM! From tanner at real-time.com Tue Apr 10 21:53:34 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMware, setiathome and uptime In-Reply-To: <01041021445801.01251@geezer>; from jack@jacku.com on Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 09:44:58PM -0500 References: <20010410192301.I23448@real-time.com> <01041021445801.01251@geezer> Message-ID: <20010410215334.L23448@real-time.com> Quoting Jack Ungerleider (jack@jacku.com): > Is that the "full" package or Express? Though I imagine it won't make a > difference. Full package. I think. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Tue Apr 10 22:23:49 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Offline web browsing? In-Reply-To: <20010410192714.J23448@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > Any niffty tools for offline web browsing for linux? I think I'm running wwwoffle, but I don't ever use it. I don't know if it's easier than wget -r. > I know I could wget the stuff, but anything else? > > I want to suck down a site's techincal stuff to a level of 4 deep and > read it on an up-and-coming long plane trip. Phil M -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Tue Apr 10 22:25:19 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telocity DSL In-Reply-To: <200104102316.f3ANGZN08703@destef.com> Message-ID: They have a $9.95 package to do what, five?, hosts. But I think that sets up their "gateway" (modem) as a firewall/router. I don't get the impression that they'd care much if you did NAT. Anyone know for sure? On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Jason DeStefano wrote: > I'm signing up (funny they will give me DSL service but Qwaste wont). > I'm sick of DHCP and my cable modem (although the speed is not bad). > Some negatives for Telocity is that the rep i talked to said that they > dont offer static subnets, only 1 static, the rest DHCP (I can *live* with > that over DHCP-only with time warner). They also only offer "one level of > service" so i was told so there currently is no "business service" for > the power user. But i dont really need that for now either. Being able > to run my own ftp server for friends is nice (of course i wasnt with > road-runner....hehe). I'll let you all know my experience once I have > the service. > > Jason > > At 05:19 PM 4/10/01 -0500, you wrote: > >It does look like they "get it." I just read their terms of service, and > >even those are reasonable -- they won't allow you to do mass e-mailing > >(spam) -- Cool! They also won't let you use residential service for > >commercial purposes, i.e., don't run the ordering > >system for iHouseOfPancakes.com at home -- though I bet if they caught you > >they'd just make you upgrade to business services. Hardware's > >free. Pretty cool. Keep us posted, Nate, eh? > > > >On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Simeon Johnston wrote: > > > >> I am going to get DSL at home and was wondering if anyone here has used > >> Telocity? It looks very interesting. They say they will basically do > >> everything for free and charge $50 a month for 768/408 Kbps SDSL (They > >> "Optimize" the download speed. That sounds scary ). > >> They also have a lot of different extras. 5 mail addresses, web space > >> and address, static IP address, etc, etc, etc. Even says they support > >> Linux. : ) > >> Are they any good? > >> > >> http://www.telocity.com/ > >> > >> sim > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> tclug-list mailing list > >> tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >> > > > >-- > >"To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous > > > >_______________________________________________ > >tclug-list mailing list > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Tue Apr 10 22:35:50 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telocity DSL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: BTW, it says 768/408 in my neighborhood on their web site http://www.telocity.com/products/faq_sdsl.asp#how_fast Phil M -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From tanner at real-time.com Tue Apr 10 22:41:53 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telocity DSL In-Reply-To: ; from mend0070@tc.umn.edu on Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 10:35:50PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010410224153.P23448@real-time.com> Quoting Phil Mendelsohn (mend0070@tc.umn.edu): > BTW, it says 768/408 in my neighborhood on their web site > > http://www.telocity.com/products/faq_sdsl.asp#how_fast Why, or How can Telocity deliver this speed to areas where Qworst cannot (will not!) deliver this technology. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Apr 10 22:41:07 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IPTables logging config In-Reply-To: ; from andy@theasis.com on Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 05:48:41PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010410224107.E3989@wookimus.net> On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 05:48:41PM -0500, andy@theasis.com wrote: > I'm running a 2.4.2 firewall box with IPtables, and would like to > change some of the logging behavior, but don't find much help in the > man pages... > > First, the default logfile is /var/log/messages. How do I configure > it to dump all logs into, e.g., /var/log/firewall? I believe you can choose the facility and the level of the log report. Use that to filter your messages in your syslog.conf setup. If you want to get fancy, use syslog-ng or a similarily enhanced logging daemon to make use of regular expressions as well. > Second, I'm getting regular periodic pings from a particular source > to the firewall. How do I tell iptables skip logging on only pings > from that source to the firewall (but log all others)? Leave your original LOG rule in place, but place a DENY rule preceeding it to match the source IP address of the offending machine. If you happen to have more than one of these annoying machines pinging you, place them all in a separate chain and put a rule at the top of your INPUT or FORWARD chains. They call these blacklists. ;-) -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I just hope it works... (How bad can it be? consider the alternatives!) Was Telocity supposed to be one of the ISP/DSL co's that survives the meltdown? Phil M -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From tanner at real-time.com Tue Apr 10 23:21:41 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telocity DSL In-Reply-To: ; from mend0070@tc.umn.edu on Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 11:13:29PM -0500 References: <20010410224153.P23448@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010410232141.U23448@real-time.com> Quoting Phil Mendelsohn (mend0070@tc.umn.edu): > It says (this is all hearsay, though I just ordered it -- sheesh) that > it's SDSL, but when they "optimize" it, they set download faster. Why doesn't Qwest do SDSL? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Apr 11 00:02:15 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bye, bye, Bill! Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1097D6@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Here's a better one: #!/bin/bash for i in `find /mnt/windows`; do cat $i | Mail -s "take it back" bill.gates@microsoft.com rm -f $i done > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Drake [mailto:drake@lemongecko.org] > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 7:48 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Bye, bye, Bill! > > > > I've been wanting to completely delete Windows from my box -- in the > past few months I've hardly used it anyway -- and I wanted to > do it with a > little bit of *style*. > > Exhibit A: bash script called "buhbye": > ------------------- > #!/bin/bash > > foo=$* > > if [ -f "$foo" ]; then > echo Bye bye, Bill! > "$foo" > fi > ------------------------ > > Exhibit B: a couple commands: > > $ cd /mnt/c/windows/ > $ find -name '*' -exec buhbye {} \; > > The result? A bunch of files, each 15 bytes long, each bidding a > not-so-fond farewell to Chairman Bill and his OS! > > > I just thought you guys would appreciate this. It feels > good to have a > totally Microsoft-free computer. :) > > Dan > > -- > /*-------------------------------- > Dan Drake > http://lemongecko.org/drake/ > --------pgp encouraged----------*/ > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From drake at lemongecko.org Tue Apr 10 23:50:25 2001 From: drake at lemongecko.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bye, bye, Bill! In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1097D6@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > Here's a better one: > > #!/bin/bash > for i in `find /mnt/windows`; do > cat $i | Mail -s "take it back" bill.gates@microsoft.com > rm -f $i > done Hmmmm, that is much better. I should have put the find command in my "buhbye" script, but I'm still a scritping newbie. The only problem is that you need double quotes around the $i to cover filenames with spaces. Also, I don't have my DSL hooked up yet, and emailing my copy of Windows to Microsoft would take a long time over 56k. *And*, if I sent email to Bill, I'd probably get sent a copy of the next Outlook virus. Not that it would infect me, unless it was a Pine virus too... :) Dan -- /*-------------------------------- Dan Drake http://lemongecko.org/drake/ --------pgp encouraged----------*/ From scott.w.fischer at att.net Wed Apr 11 06:53:12 2001 From: scott.w.fischer at att.net (scott.w.fischer@att.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Progeny Debian Message-ID: <20010411115313.EQUD21045.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> You should be able to specify what device to install grub to from the setup() command. I'm doing this by memory so my syntax might be off a bit. Typically for an MBR installation you'll run (setup hd0) and for a first partition it'll be something like (setup hd0a). If need be I can check my notes at home tonight. -swf > I didn't see any options for Grub to install it on the first part of the > partition. No options for a custom install ( unless you wanted to go to a > command > line and do it from there. I don't know enough about linux to do that ). Maybe > I > missed something. From jsowers at osii.com Wed Apr 11 07:18:20 2001 From: jsowers at osii.com (Jason Sowers) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] test In-Reply-To: <20010411115313.EQUD21045.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: test From jasonj at talkware.net Wed Apr 11 07:40:51 2001 From: jasonj at talkware.net (Jason Jorgensen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Vmware + Progeny Message-ID: <3AD450D3.DBA82819@talkware.net> Anyone else try and install Progeny 1.0 in a VM from VMware? At the autodetection part of the first boot off the CD it gets into a repeating loop of errors. I dont have the exact text handy right now, but I can post it later if someone would like. I Control-C'd out of that error, but then it said it couldnt find the dang Progeny CDrom even though I was booting from it!! From veldy at veldy.net Wed Apr 11 07:48:32 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telocity DSL References: <20010410224153.P23448@real-time.com> Message-ID: <002e01c0c285$b79c3300$3028680a@tgt.com> It is Covad that can. I think the problem is that QWest does voice on the same line and the line from Covad is likely to be dedicated. That is the case at my home -- where I now do not qualify for QWest (although I once had it :) and I do qualify for 1.5M/384K from Covad. FUBAR if you ask me. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Tanner" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 10:41 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Telocity DSL > Quoting Phil Mendelsohn (mend0070@tc.umn.edu): > > BTW, it says 768/408 in my neighborhood on their web site > > > > http://www.telocity.com/products/faq_sdsl.asp#how_fast > > Why, or How can Telocity deliver this speed to areas where Qworst cannot (will > not!) deliver this technology. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From veldy at veldy.net Wed Apr 11 07:52:16 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telocity DSL References: <20010410224153.P23448@real-time.com> <20010410232141.U23448@real-time.com> Message-ID: <003f01c0c286$3d6e2a10$3028680a@tgt.com> They do. It is called Megabit Pro. It is just another setting on the Cisco 67x and the head end equipment. It is not perfectly synchronous though. 256/272 640/544 960/816 1.2M/1.1M 4.4M/1.1M 7.1M/1.1M The upload cap becomes obvious. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Tanner" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Telocity DSL > Quoting Phil Mendelsohn (mend0070@tc.umn.edu): > > It says (this is all hearsay, though I just ordered it -- sheesh) that > > it's SDSL, but when they "optimize" it, they set download faster. > > Why doesn't Qwest do SDSL? > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From florin at iucha.net Wed Apr 11 07:58:40 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Vmware + Progeny In-Reply-To: <3AD450D3.DBA82819@talkware.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, Jason Jorgensen wrote: > Anyone else try and install Progeny 1.0 in a VM from VMware? > > At the autodetection part of the first boot off the CD it gets into a > repeating loop of errors. I dont have the exact text handy right now, > but I can post it later if someone would like. I Control-C'd out of that > error, but then it said it couldnt find the dang Progeny CDrom even > though I was booting from it!! The fact that you booted from it has little relevance: the BIOS (or VMWare "BIOS") load the bootable part into ram into an "emulated floppy" and boots it. florin From florin at iucha.net Wed Apr 11 08:00:18 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telocity DSL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > Quoting Phil Mendelsohn (mend0070@tc.umn.edu): > > > BTW, it says 768/408 in my neighborhood on their web site > > > > > > http://www.telocity.com/products/faq_sdsl.asp#how_fast > > > > Why, or How can Telocity deliver this speed to areas where Qworst cannot (will > > not!) deliver this technology. > > It says (this is all hearsay, though I just ordered it -- sheesh) that > it's SDSL, but when they "optimize" it, they set download faster. > > BTW they say specifically that NAT is OK. Finally, someone who is happy > just selling a pipe! I just hope it works... (How bad can it > be? consider the alternatives!) Qwest has that too in their CISCO manuals. And specifically says "in order to save money when you connect multiple computers...". florin From destef at destef.com Wed Apr 11 08:12:26 2001 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telocity DSL In-Reply-To: <20010410224153.P23448@real-time.com> References: Message-ID: <200104111312.f3BDCKN09294@destef.com> I asked the same question. Didnt get a string answer but my guess is either SDSL can reach more customers or Telocity is a bit more "forgiving" with the limitations. At 10:41 PM 4/10/01 -0500, you wrote: >Quoting Phil Mendelsohn (mend0070@tc.umn.edu): >> BTW, it says 768/408 in my neighborhood on their web site >> >> http://www.telocity.com/products/faq_sdsl.asp#how_fast > >Why, or How can Telocity deliver this speed to areas where Qworst cannot (will >not!) deliver this technology. > >-- >Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 >http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 >Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From destef at destef.com Wed Apr 11 08:15:30 2001 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telocity DSL In-Reply-To: <20010410232141.U23448@real-time.com> References: <20010410224153.P23448@real-time.com> Message-ID: <200104111315.f3BDFON09303@destef.com> Because they SUCK!!! I think Qwest is only interested in the easy business where they know they will get fewer support calls for line problems. Either that or their management just doesnt get it. At 11:21 PM 4/10/01 -0500, you wrote: >Quoting Phil Mendelsohn (mend0070@tc.umn.edu): >> It says (this is all hearsay, though I just ordered it -- sheesh) that >> it's SDSL, but when they "optimize" it, they set download faster. > >Why doesn't Qwest do SDSL? >-- >Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 >http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 >Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Apr 11 09:25:26 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network sniffing under Linux and TLS In-Reply-To: <20010402213129.C22944@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Mon, Apr 02, 2001 at 09:31:29PM -0500 References: <20010402213129.C22944@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010411092526.F3989@wookimus.net> On Mon, Apr 02, 2001 at 09:31:29PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > I am working on LDAP using TLS and I want to sniff my network to > make absolutely sure nothing is every exchanged with the ldap server > in clear text. > > I have tried several tools, each seems to have a strength, but none > of them are "simple". The tools I have used are tcpdump, snoop, > sniffit, ethereal. > > I just want to sniff all traffic between hostA and hostB on port 389 > and 636, which tool is best for this simple task? > > I'd like to see it like hostA tries to connect on port 389 with SSL. > Then hostB responds to use port 636. etc.. bash# tcpdump -x -X host \(hostA and hostB\) proto tcp port \(389 and 636\) ...might/should/could work to dump the contents of the packets and attempt to display them in ASCII format. ;-) I'm just guessing. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Also, as someone else mentioned, they had to bet on what people would be interested in, and ADSL offers the ability to run voice & DSL on the same line. That will certainly make the difference in selling it to most people in my area, and probably in general. What makes you think Qwest can afford to stay in business if they willy nilly go chasing after all these special interests who make up a very tiny portion of their market (i.e., LUGers)? Isn't that what Covad did, and now they're leaving those same customers out in the cold? Andy From andy at theasis.com Wed Apr 11 09:38:21 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IPTables logging config In-Reply-To: <20010410224107.E3989@wookimus.net> Message-ID: > > I'm running a 2.4.2 firewall box with IPtables, and would like to > > change some of the logging behavior, but don't find much help in the > > man pages... > > > > First, the default logfile is /var/log/messages. How do I configure > > it to dump all logs into, e.g., /var/log/firewall? > > I believe you can choose the facility and the level of the log report. > Use that to filter your messages in your syslog.conf setup. If you OK, I'll dig around in syslog and try to figure out how to identify firewall log stuff and redirect it from there. > want to get fancy, use syslog-ng or a similarily enhanced logging > daemon to make use of regular expressions as well. Maybe later, but thanks for the suggestion. > > Second, I'm getting regular periodic pings from a particular source > > to the firewall. How do I tell iptables skip logging on only pings > > from that source to the firewall (but log all others)? > > Leave your original LOG rule in place, but place a DENY rule > preceeding it to match the source IP address of the offending machine. > If you happen to have more than one of these annoying machines pinging > you, place them all in a separate chain and put a rule at the top of > your INPUT or FORWARD chains. > > They call these blacklists. ;-) Don't want to blacklist it. I want to allow it -- it's from a known host, and the pings are in fact something I want going on. But all the important information is being stored at the source. All I want to do is not tell iptables not to log those. However, if I get pinged from some other source, I want to know about it, so that I might choose to blacklist those. Thanks, Andy From jima at gimp.damnation.net Wed Apr 11 09:49:31 2001 From: jima at gimp.damnation.net (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telocity DSL In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010411093824.00a1ed00@mail.eleetomatic.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > They do. It is called Megabit Pro. It is just another setting on the Cisco > 67x and the head end equipment. It is not perfectly synchronous though. > > 256/272 > 640/544 > 960/816 > 1.2M/1.1M > 4.4M/1.1M > 7.1M/1.1M > > The upload cap becomes obvious. The upload cap bothers me, yes, mainly due to the glaringly obvious potential for a DoS attack. If your line can take 4.4mbit worth of packets, but can only reply to 1.1mbit worth of them...isn't there a slight problem? My solution on a 1.2/1.1 line at work was to cap the download rate, since the line is used for servers, not web browsing. The Cisco 67x allows that quite nicely. I dropped it down to 1.0/1.1, and it works fine. Anyway, of course it's not synchronous. It's Asynchronous DSL. :) Just thought I'd put my $0.01 in. (Hey, give me a break, I'm short on cash.) Jima From fertch at mninter.net Wed Apr 11 10:11:19 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telocity DSL References: Message-ID: <3AD47417.7868B67D@mninter.net> Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > > BTW, it says 768/408 in my neighborhood on their web site > > http://www.telocity.com/products/faq_sdsl.asp#how_fast > > Phil M > -- > "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous Funny, I go and check: "Now available in your area: Telocity High-Velocity DSL Internet Serviceea for $49.95 ea. month" when I input my area code and first three digits. So, I go to the order screen, fill in all areas and click on submit it comes back sayign that there's a field missing information. Make sure that everything is filled in and resubmit, same thing. Call the toll-free #, and I'm told it's a blanket statement. So the gal checks, and she says it's not available. Something about their service provider doesn't have DSL equipment. I go to Qwest's page, and they say not available. If you know it's available in your area, go for it. I think I might become the largest prick they know and go after Telocity for false advertising. It's available to me, it says so on their website. ;) From veldy at veldy.net Wed Apr 11 10:08:56 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telocity DSL References: Message-ID: <00b101c0c299$548d5ff0$3028680a@tgt.com> > What makes you think Qwest can afford to stay in business if they willy > nilly go chasing after all these special interests who make up a very tiny > portion of their market (i.e., LUGers)? Isn't that what Covad did, and now > they're leaving those same customers out in the cold? > Covad closed a few CO's in areas that were just coming up to speed but did not have a high market value (some of the later midwest development). Most people were not affected and nobody in Minnesota has been affected. They have left nobody here out in the cold. Are you thinking of Northpoint? I believe that there is a good chance that Covad will be leaving its customers out in the cold in the next 9 months though -- unless they can move into profitability before all their short-term debt comes due. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net From andy at theasis.com Wed Apr 11 10:21:23 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telocity DSL In-Reply-To: <00b101c0c299$548d5ff0$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: > > What makes you think Qwest can afford to stay in business if they willy > > nilly go chasing after all these special interests who make up a very tiny > > portion of their market (i.e., LUGers)? Isn't that what Covad did, and now > > they're leaving those same customers out in the cold? > > > > Covad closed a few CO's in areas that were just coming up to speed but did > not have a high market value (some of the later midwest development). Most > people were not affected and nobody in Minnesota has been affected. They > have left nobody here out in the cold. Are you thinking of Northpoint? Not thinking specifically of here. Other places, including NY. But Northpoint may suit as well. Point is, Qwest may have all manner of problems, but they can't be expected to make their business decisions on the priorities of a minority. Andy > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Wed Apr 11 10:47:37 2001 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telocity DSL Message-ID: >>> andy@theasis.com 04/11/01 09:35AM >>> >What makes you think Qwest can afford to stay in business if they willy >nilly go chasing after all these special interests who make up a very tiny >portion of their market (i.e., LUGers)? IIRC, they have a monoploy on the lines to my house. If they want to limit the services they will provide to me, while providing those services choices to others in my general area, and provide no time frame for the availability of those services to me, I would prefer that another be awarded the benefit and responsibility of that monopoly. Am I unreasonable to complain? From andy at theasis.com Wed Apr 11 11:08:22 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telocity DSL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > >What makes you think Qwest can afford to stay in business if they willy > >nilly go chasing after all these special interests who make up a very tiny > >portion of their market (i.e., LUGers)? > > IIRC, they have a monoploy on the lines to my house. If they want to > limit the services they will provide to me, while providing those > services choices to others in my general area, and provide no time > frame for the availability of those services to me, I would prefer > that another be awarded the benefit and responsibility of that > monopoly. Am I unreasonable to complain? Depends on whom you complain to, I guess. I have plenty of complaints about Qwest as well. How is that going to help anything? Venting has its place, but more often than not it's a substitute for taking a little more effort to do something useful. If you want to change anything, you vote with your $, and pool your voices and direct the combination at a place where it can have some effect. I'm not happy about local loop monopolies either. But there's more to it than you hear from the people who usually list all the things that are bad about it. Sure, the loop owners are slow to give service to other carriers, etc., etc. But they also have to use their own staff to do the work for the competitors they have to let into their CO. Many CLECs are smug about this, but that certainly affects the service Qwest can give their own customers. Seems to me that it's more reasonable to think realistically about their motivations as a business. Too often the complaints I see here state or imply pretty unrealistic expectations. Do you really think any business with the capital investment that Qwest has made into their DSL infrastructure has a financial option to consider a switch to a whole new technology? And one that's not state of the art by any means? Think of something that's actually in both Qwest's and geeks' interest and try to get them to work toward that. Andy From natecars at real-time.com Wed Apr 11 12:05:19 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telocity DSL In-Reply-To: <004101c0c224$84f87320$0100a8c0@cascade> Message-ID: On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > I do believe that it is 768/108. The other typical Covad option is > 1.5M/384. In my case, it's Rythms 768k SDSL, but they only guaranteed 408k upstream (or something along those lines) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Apr 11 12:05:26 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Vmware + Progeny In-Reply-To: <3AD450D3.DBA82819@talkware.net>; from jasonj@talkware.net on Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 07:40:51AM -0500 References: <3AD450D3.DBA82819@talkware.net> Message-ID: <20010411120526.X19732@ringworld.org> * Jason Jorgensen [010411 07:39]: > Anyone else try and install Progeny 1.0 in a VM from VMware? > Did you check the md5sum's of the CD's? -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010411/452ea974/attachment.pgp From natecars at real-time.com Wed Apr 11 12:06:33 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telocity DSL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > They have a $9.95 package to do what, five?, hosts. But I think that sets > up their "gateway" (modem) as a firewall/router. I don't get the > impression that they'd care much if you did NAT. Anyone know for sure? yeah, you can only get a single ip from them. the 10/mo package adds nat to their router :( they specifically told me nat's ok.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Wed Apr 11 12:07:00 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telocity DSL In-Reply-To: <20010410224153.P23448@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > > BTW, it says 768/408 in my neighborhood on their web site > > > > http://www.telocity.com/products/faq_sdsl.asp#how_fast > > Why, or How can Telocity deliver this speed to areas where Qworst cannot (will > not!) deliver this technology. different dsl technology.. qwest could deliver it if they wanted to. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Wed Apr 11 13:06:37 2001 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telocity DSL Message-ID: >>> andy@theasis.com 04/11/01 11:08AM >>> > >What makes you think Qwest can afford to stay in business if they willy > >nilly go chasing after all these special interests who make up a very tiny > >portion of their market (i.e., LUGers)? > > IIRC, they have a monoploy on the lines to my house. If they want to > limit the services they will provide to me, while providing those > services choices to others in my general area, and provide no time > frame for the availability of those services to me, I would prefer > that another be awarded the benefit and responsibility of that > monopoly. Am I unreasonable to complain? > >Seems to me that it's more reasonable to think realistically about their >motivations as a business. It's as much a waste of time to think up possible motivations and excuses for Qwest as it is to vent here. The only real value I see in seeing others complaints is to gauge how different locations are being handled compared to my own, so I don't mind reading them from time to time (if I feel otherwise, I use my delete key). From tanner at real-time.com Wed Apr 11 13:09:53 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telocity DSL In-Reply-To: <002e01c0c285$b79c3300$3028680a@tgt.com>; from veldy@veldy.net on Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 07:48:32AM -0500 References: <20010410224153.P23448@real-time.com> <002e01c0c285$b79c3300$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <20010411130953.J12636@real-time.com> Quoting Thomas T. Veldhouse (veldy@veldy.net): > It is Covad that can. I think the problem is that QWest does voice on the > same line and the line from Covad is likely to be dedicated. That is the > case at my home -- where I now do not qualify for QWest (although I once had > it :) and I do qualify for 1.5M/384K from Covad. FUBAR if you ask me. Qwest is stupid. If your competition can do it, so can you. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Wed Apr 11 13:11:36 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telocity DSL In-Reply-To: <200104111312.f3BDCKN09294@destef.com>; from destef@destef.com on Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 08:12:26AM -0500 References: <20010410224153.P23448@real-time.com> <200104111312.f3BDCKN09294@destef.com> Message-ID: <20010411131136.K12636@real-time.com> Quoting Jason DeStefano (destef@destef.com): > I asked the same question. Didnt get a string answer but my guess > is either SDSL can reach more customers or Telocity is a bit more > "forgiving" with the limitations. I feel a sense of unfair business practice. :-( I'd love to be able to selll everyone who has Telocity DSL Real Time DSL :-) but I can't because Qwest does not offer the services. That just sucks. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Wed Apr 11 13:12:10 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telocity DSL In-Reply-To: <200104111315.f3BDFON09303@destef.com>; from destef@destef.com on Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 08:15:30AM -0500 References: <20010410224153.P23448@real-time.com> <20010410232141.U23448@real-time.com> <200104111315.f3BDFON09303@destef.com> Message-ID: <20010411131210.L12636@real-time.com> Quoting Jason DeStefano (destef@destef.com): > Because they SUCK!!! I think Qwest is only interested in the easy > business where they know they will get fewer support calls for > line problems. Either that or their management just doesnt get it. But that is the point! Provide the service and let OTHER ISPs get the clients and do the support. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Wed Apr 11 13:20:52 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telocity DSL In-Reply-To: ; from andy@theasis.com on Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 09:35:30AM -0500 References: <20010410224153.P23448@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010411132052.O12636@real-time.com> Quoting andy@theasis.com (andy@theasis.com): > When Qwest started building infrastructure for DSL, SDSL wasn't available. > They chose their RADSL, which committed them to a whole lot of equipment > and other infrastructure aspects. Also, as someone else mentioned, they > had to bet on what people would be interested in, and ADSL offers the > ability to run voice & DSL on the same line. That will certainly make the > difference in selling it to most people in my area, and probably in > general. > > What makes you think Qwest can afford to stay in business if they willy > nilly go chasing after all these special interests who make up a very tiny > portion of their market (i.e., LUGers)? Isn't that what Covad did, and now > they're leaving those same customers out in the cold? Point taken. BUT considering over this quarter (Jan - Apr) we had to turn away more DSL customers then we signed up because of facility/distance issues, I think there is a great demmand for SDSL. Most of these lost clients are in the metro area INSIDE the 494, 694 loops. Maybe I'm not a great business person, but if you slice your market and say X percent of people in the metro cannot get RADSL and of that percent 10% of them want broadband. You should be able to come up with an ROI for your equipment. I think that there is money to be made. Problem with the other National DSL providers is that is all they did. They did not have any other revenue streams. Qwest can apply it's monopoly powers and rule this market. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Wed Apr 11 13:23:41 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telocity DSL In-Reply-To: ; from Troy.A.Johnson@state.mn.us on Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 10:47:37AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010411132341.Q12636@real-time.com> Quoting Troy Johnson (Troy.A.Johnson@state.mn.us): > >>> andy@theasis.com 04/11/01 09:35AM >>> > >What makes you think Qwest can afford to stay in business if they willy > >nilly go chasing after all these special interests who make up a very tiny > >portion of their market (i.e., LUGers)? > > IIRC, they have a monoploy on the lines to my house. If they want to limit the > services they will provide to me, while providing those services choices to > others in my general area, and provide no time frame for the availability of > those services to me, I would prefer that another be awarded the benefit and > responsibility of that monopoly. Am I unreasonable to complain? Oh! Here, here... Nothing ticks a potential client off more then saying you can't get it, I don't know IF you will ever be able to get it AND I have no idea who to contact to complain about it. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From moorenate at uswest.net Wed Apr 11 13:29:29 2001 From: moorenate at uswest.net (Nate Moore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] newbie: grub configuration, and windows networking Message-ID: <3AD4A289.7090509@uswest.net> So I decided to take the plunge and finally install linux on a second hard drive that I have had laying around for awhile. I've done a few different distro installs before, but not actually played around with the stuff much. Anyhoo, I installed the progeny distro, which went fairly well, except that my soundcard is not supported yet (turtle beach montego 2: vortex2 chip). I have run into 2 things which are driving me nuts. 1: I installed the new hard drive as the primary master, and moved my HD with win98 to slave. I used the full master hard drive for linux, which in progeny is set up with grub. I have no idea how to use grub, and specifically how to set it up to switch to my original hard drive, where my win98, aka game machine, is. Any pointers to a how-to would be nice, I have found 1 but it is rather cryptic. 2: The dhcp networking found my dsl connection without a hitch. In my household I also have an internal network with a whole bunch of win98 machines. I would like to set up something like the "network neighborhood" so that I can mount these network drives, allowing me to access the mp3 server in the other room. also I have a usb printer attached to this system, which I would like to use from other win98 machines. again any pointers to a how-to would be appreciated. thanks nate moore From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Apr 11 13:28:55 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telocity DSL In-Reply-To: <20010411130953.J12636@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 01:09:53PM -0500 References: <20010410224153.P23448@real-time.com> <002e01c0c285$b79c3300$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010411130953.J12636@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010411132855.Y19732@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [010411 13:10]: > If your competition can do it, so can you. Depends, if covad is provisioning a new copper pair, that pair might have much better characteristics than the pair you currently run voice over. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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"Telocity has already begun to switch its customers to other last-mile carriers it works with: Pacific Bell, Verizon, Southwestern Bell Telephone, Bell South, and Rhythms Netconnections." Nope, Rhythms. http://www.rhythms.com/service_areas/minneapolis_mn.cfm?city_required=Please+Choose+a+City&city=minneapolis_mn.cfm Even Qwest does business through them, it seems :) The only reconigosible local ISP is Orbis, though. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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How can Qwest stop facilities based CLEC's from putting their equipment in CO's and buying copper pairs from them? -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Lots of same area-code/prefix combos. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Apr 11 13:43:40 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telocity DSL In-Reply-To: <20010411133651.A19732@ringworld.org>; from dieman+tclug@ringworld.org on Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 01:36:52PM -0500 References: <20010410224153.P23448@real-time.com> <20010411132052.O12636@real-time.com> <20010411133651.A19732@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010411134340.C19732@ringworld.org> http://www.dslreports.com/coinfo/clli/GLVYMNOR/ Thats pretty nifty -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010411/415214de/attachment.pgp From mend0070 at umn.edu Wed Apr 11 14:04:09 2001 From: mend0070 at umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telocity DSL Message-ID: <200104111904.OAA11053@www5> On 11 Apr 2001, Scott Dier wrote: > http://www.dslreports.com/coinfo/clli/GLVYMNOR/ > > Thats pretty nifty > --=20 > Scott Dier > http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net Yeah, pretty cool. BTW, lot's of bad reviews of Telocity, but then again there's not a lot of good reviews of anyone on that site (that *I* saw -- YMMV). I guess people who have good experiences are too busy surfing to write up 'attaboys, and only the disgruntled have time to write... Cheers, Phil M From tanner at real-time.com Wed Apr 11 14:43:22 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] s390 RPMS available Message-ID: <20010411144322.M11872@real-time.com> For all you who have a s390 :-), the tclug ftp server now has the complete Redhat wolverine beta for the s390. ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/redhat/linux/rawhide/s390/ :-P -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From moorenate at uswest.net Wed Apr 11 15:06:20 2001 From: moorenate at uswest.net (Nate Moore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] newbie staroffice installation woes Message-ID: <3AD4B93C.60301@uswest.net> Downloaded staroffice 5.2. it came down as a *.bin file. according to the staroffice website I should be able to just run this from a terminal command line, but when I do it reports that it is an unknown type (command not found). any ideas? From jima at gimp.damnation.net Wed Apr 11 15:02:50 2001 From: jima at gimp.damnation.net (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] s390 RPMS available In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010411145827.00a1d8b0@mail.eleetomatic.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > For all you who have a s390 :-), the tclug ftp server now has the complete > Redhat wolverine beta for the s390. > > ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/redhat/linux/rawhide/s390/ > > :-P It's almost tempting to download them from as many different IPs as possible, just to scare Bob. :) Nah, I wouldn't want to waste Real Time's bandwidth. No s390's here. Jima From esper at sherohman.org Wed Apr 11 15:22:18 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] newbie staroffice installation woes In-Reply-To: <3AD4B93C.60301@uswest.net>; from moorenate@uswest.net on Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 03:06:20PM -0500 References: <3AD4B93C.60301@uswest.net> Message-ID: <20010411152218.A32083@sherohman.org> On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 03:06:20PM -0500, Nate Moore wrote: > Downloaded staroffice 5.2. it came down as a *.bin file. according to > the staroffice website I should be able to just run this from a terminal > command line, but when I do it reports that it is an unknown type > (command not found). any ideas? Just to hit the obvious details, did you remember to `chmod +x foo.bin` first and then use `./foo.bin` to execute it? -- That's not gibberish... It's Linux. - Byers, The Lone Gunmen Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From sos at zjod.net Wed Apr 11 15:52:29 2001 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] test Message-ID: <200104112052.PAA17063@zjod.net> test msg.. please ignore. From jonathankl_2001 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 11 15:55:12 2001 From: jonathankl_2001 at yahoo.com (Jonathan Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB printers and More Misc. from Posts Message-ID: <20010411205512.6628.qmail@web13405.mail.yahoo.com> RH7,Mandrake as well as possibly Slackware 7.1 Give you the option to setup USB printers, I believe the Progency Printer cConfig can also do it......... Slack 7.1 Should be everyone's friend. As far as grub boot loading, ok so sure you get a pretty lettle menu driven GUI.... Whats wrong Lilo? At least it was fairly simple to setup other chain boot loaders with it? If your not into configuring Lilo, grub or something similar, there is a program called Uniload You can install it to a FLOPPY, then it gives you the option to boot any bootable partition on any IDE Harddrive....... Once again, all this is just my $0.02 As far as DSL, I used to have qwest DSL, we had some problems with the line, something like a tree wore away the plastic shielding, took 8 months for qwerst to come installl a new line, spent 6 months on the phone with their crappy tech support using flippy cards, all of their techs insisted it was a configuration error....... They even sent out a new modem/router/adapter deal.......... So if anyone needs a Cisco 605 internal DSL router I've got one............ Jonathan A. Kline __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Wed Apr 11 16:46:16 2001 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] newbie staroffice installation woes Message-ID: In addition, look at the output of: head -n 1 foo.bin (using the actually file name instead of foo.bin) and see if that is a file on your system if it is executable. >>> esper@sherohman.org 04/11/01 03:22PM >>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 03:06:20PM -0500, Nate Moore wrote: > Downloaded staroffice 5.2. it came down as a *.bin file. according to > the staroffice website I should be able to just run this from a terminal > command line, but when I do it reports that it is an unknown type > (command not found). any ideas? Just to hit the obvious details, did you remember to `chmod +x foo.bin` first and then use `./foo.bin` to execute it? -- That's not gibberish... It's Linux. - Byers, The Lone Gunmen Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jacque at fruitioninc.com Wed Apr 11 18:02:12 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting! Message-ID: Hi Folks- The Beer Meeting for tomorrow the 12th is going to be held after the Linux Conference at the TGI Fridays on Normandale. Everyone is welcome! All the details here: http://www.mn-linux.org/beermeeting Jacque From m_nassar at yahoo.com Wed Apr 11 19:56:55 2001 From: m_nassar at yahoo.com (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bad tarball Message-ID: <20010412005655.4258.qmail@web10104.mail.yahoo.com> i got a bad .tar.bz file, is there a way to extract the data it contains the only copy of my C++ homework of the past month or so what i did was i did a "#tar -cIf foo.tar.bz " then i ftped the file to a FTP server somewhere else, using ncftp then i blew away the partition containing the original file... (yes, that is before before i tested the tarball) here are the errors i get when extracting: "$tar xzvf foo.tar.bz gzip: stdin: not in gzip format tar: Child returned status 1 tar Error exit delayed from previous errors" here is another one: "$tar xvvf foo.tar.gz tar: This does not look like a tar archive tar: Skipping to next header" it waits here for a awhile and then: "tar: 351 garbage bytes ignoted at end of archive tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors" as i said this is my C++ homework not very important but stuff i would like to keep, there will be a Carlsberg for the one who can help me extract the info... -munir ===== -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GAT GIT dpu- s:- a19 C++ UL P+ L+(++) E--- W+ N+ w(--) K? O-- M- V- PS+ PE-(--) Y-- PGP-(---) t 5+++ X R tv-- b+++ D++ DI++ G e+ h+() r- y+ UF++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From scott.w.fischer at att.net Wed Apr 11 21:14:01 2001 From: scott.w.fischer at att.net (Scott W Fischer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Progeny Debian In-Reply-To: <20010411115313.EQUD21045.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> References: <20010411115313.EQUD21045.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <01041121140101.01036@scott.imaginivity.net> Oops, that should be setup (hd0,0) to install grub on the 1st partition of the 1st disk -swf On Wednesday 11 April 2001 06:53, scott.w.fischer@att.net wrote: > You should be able to specify what device to install grub > to from the setup() command. I'm doing this by memory so > my syntax might be off a bit. > > Typically for an MBR installation you'll run (setup hd0) > and for a first partition it'll be something like (setup > hd0a). If need be I can check my notes at home tonight. > > -swf > > > I didn't see any options for Grub to install it on > > the first part of the > > > partition. No options for a custom install ( unless > > you wanted to go to a > > > command > > line and do it from there. I don't know enough about > > linux to do that ). Maybe > > > I > > missed something. > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Scott Fischer - scott.w.fischer@att.net From scott.w.fischer at att.net Wed Apr 11 21:16:34 2001 From: scott.w.fischer at att.net (Scott W Fischer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] newbie: grub configuration, and windows networking In-Reply-To: <3AD4A289.7090509@uswest.net> References: <3AD4A289.7090509@uswest.net> Message-ID: <01041121163402.01036@scott.imaginivity.net> > 1: I installed the new hard drive as the primary master, and moved my > HD with win98 to slave. I used the full master hard drive for linux, > which in progeny is set up with grub. I have no idea how to use grub, > and specifically how to set it up to switch to my original hard drive, > where my win98, aka game machine, is. Any pointers to a how-to would > be nice, I have found 1 but it is rather cryptic. At least on my Mandrake system 'info grub' gives very complete information. In /boot/grub/menu.lst add something list the following title windows root (hd1,0) makeactive chainloader +1 Then install grub with the setup command. Hopefully that should get you started. -swf -- Scott Fischer - scott.w.fischer@att.net From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Apr 11 21:44:34 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bad tarball In-Reply-To: <20010412005655.4258.qmail@web10104.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20010412005655.4258.qmail@web10104.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20010411214434.4d928b8c.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Munir Nassar wrote: > > i got a bad .tar.bz file, is there a way to extract > the data it contains the only copy of my C++ homework > of the past month or so > > what i did was i did a "#tar -cIf foo.tar.bz dir>" [...] > here are the errors i get when extracting: > "$tar xzvf foo.tar.bz > > gzip: stdin: not in gzip format > tar: Child returned status 1 > tar Error exit delayed from previous errors" The problem here would be that you're trying to un-gzip a bzip'ed file. Have you tried `tar Ixvf foo.tar.bz'? Also note that the GNU tar folks keep changing the (un)bzip2 parameter. The safest command line for it is probably `tar --bzip2 -xvf foo.tar.bz2' -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Atheist = Deity / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Disadvantaged. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From clay at fandre.com Wed Apr 11 21:53:25 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bad tarball References: <20010412005655.4258.qmail@web10104.mail.yahoo.com> <20010411214434.4d928b8c.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3AD518A5.297E08C4@fandre.com> Mike Hicks wrote: > > Munir Nassar wrote: > > > > i got a bad .tar.bz file, is there a way to extract > > the data it contains the only copy of my C++ homework > > of the past month or so > > > > what i did was i did a "#tar -cIf foo.tar.bz > dir>" > [...] > > here are the errors i get when extracting: > > "$tar xzvf foo.tar.bz > > > > gzip: stdin: not in gzip format > > tar: Child returned status 1 > > tar Error exit delayed from previous errors" > > The problem here would be that you're trying to un-gzip a bzip'ed file. > Have you tried `tar Ixvf foo.tar.bz'? > > Also note that the GNU tar folks keep changing the (un)bzip2 parameter. > The safest command line for it is probably `tar --bzip2 -xvf foo.tar.bz2' Actually the safest thing would be to bunzip2 it first, then untar it. bunzip2 foo.tar.bz2 tar xvf foo.tar From jack at jacku.com Wed Apr 11 22:29:22 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telocity DSL In-Reply-To: <3AD47417.7868B67D@mninter.net> References: <3AD47417.7868B67D@mninter.net> Message-ID: <01041122292200.01251@geezer> Check the fine print on the web site. I had the same thing with AT&T over cable modem service. I filled out the form and didn't receive a reply in the 24-48 hours they promise. After about a week I called the toll-free and the person on the other end says that its not available for my address yet. The cable had been upgraded so theoretically I could get the cable modem. It hadn't been turned on yet. I had same reaction but when I went back to the website sure enough it had a disclaimer that said you must call the office to verify availability to your address. The site only provides "general area availability". In other words if they had turned it on for the fancy houses on the other side of the main road it was basically available in the area. My townhouse in particular wasn't yet available. FWIW it was only a couple of weeks before the sales rep called to schedule an appointment. jack On Wednesday 11 April 2001 10:11, you wrote: > Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > > BTW, it says 768/408 in my neighborhood on their web site > > > > http://www.telocity.com/products/faq_sdsl.asp#how_fast > > > > Phil M > > -- > > "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous > > Funny, I go and check: "Now available in your area: Telocity > High-Velocity DSL Internet Serviceea for $49.95 ea. month" when I input > my area code and first three digits. So, I go to the order screen, fill > in all areas and click on submit it comes back sayign that there's a > field missing information. Make sure that everything is filled in and > resubmit, same thing. Call the toll-free #, and I'm told it's a blanket > statement. So the gal checks, and she says it's not available. > Something about their service provider doesn't have DSL equipment. > > I go to Qwest's page, and they say not available. > > If you know it's available in your area, go for it. I think I might > become the largest prick they know and go after Telocity for false > advertising. It's available to me, it says so on their website. ;) > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From m_nassar at yahoo.com Wed Apr 11 23:12:12 2001 From: m_nassar at yahoo.com (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: StarOffice 5.2 In-Reply-To: <200104120332.f3C3W8t22047@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010412041212.86503.qmail@web10103.mail.yahoo.com> i think somewhere on the Sun website it said that you should run (from an xterm) $sh foo.bin but i suppose chmod +x would work too (never tried it though) -munir > Downloaded staroffice 5.2. it came down as a *.bin > file. according to > the staroffice website I should be able to just run > this from a terminal > command line, but when I do it reports that it is an > unknown type > (command not found). any ideas? > End of tclug-list Digest ===== -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GAT GIT dpu- s:- a19 C++ UL P+ L+(++) E--- W+ N+ w(--) K? 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Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From m_nassar at yahoo.com Wed Apr 11 23:42:46 2001 From: m_nassar at yahoo.com (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: bad tar.gz file In-Reply-To: <200104120332.f3C3W8t22047@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010412044246.28130.qmail@web10105.mail.yahoo.com> my files!!! well ill be darned... and i thought i had a bad file transfer... next install fest you can down that pizza with an ice cold Carlsberg... -munir > The problem here would be that you're trying to > un-gzip a bzip'ed file. > Have you tried `tar Ixvf foo.tar.bz'? > > Also note that the GNU tar folks keep changing the > (un)bzip2 parameter. > The safest command line for it is probably `tar > --bzip2 -xvf foo.tar.bz2' > > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Atheist > = Deity > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ > Disadvantaged. > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) > > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | > mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] > > --__--__-- > ===== -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GAT GIT dpu- s:- a19 C++ UL P+ L+(++) E--- W+ N+ w(--) K? O-- M- V- PS+ PE-(--) Y-- PGP-(---) t 5+++ X R tv-- b+++ D++ DI++ G e+ h+() r- y+ UF++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Apr 12 02:06:17 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: bad tar.gz file Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1097E4@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> mmmmm..... Frosty cold beers at installfests.... :) Of course, I can verify, after many late nights at the bars, that beer and Unix do not mix, especially when trying to fix something that is seriously broken. Or was that beer and routers.... In any case, blurry terminals and keyboards that seem to move do not help. > -----Original Message----- > From: Munir Nassar [mailto:m_nassar@yahoo.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 11:43 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Re: bad tar.gz file > > > my files!!! > > well ill be darned... and i thought i had a bad file > transfer... > > next install fest you can down that pizza with an ice > cold Carlsberg... > > -munir > > > The problem here would be that you're trying to > > un-gzip a bzip'ed file. > > Have you tried `tar Ixvf foo.tar.bz'? > > > > Also note that the GNU tar folks keep changing the > > (un)bzip2 parameter. > > The safest command line for it is probably `tar > > --bzip2 -xvf foo.tar.bz2' > > > > -- > > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Atheist > > = Deity > > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ > > Disadvantaged. > > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) > > > > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | > > mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] > > > > --__--__-- > > > > > ===== > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > Version: 3.12 > GAT GIT dpu- s:- a19 C++ UL P+ L+(++) E--- W+ N+ w(--) K? O-- > M- V- PS+ PE-(--) Y-- PGP-(---) t 5+++ X R tv-- b+++ D++ DI++ > G e+ h+() r- y+ UF++ > ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jwanderson at uswest.net Thu Apr 12 05:32:32 2001 From: jwanderson at uswest.net (Jay W. Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: bad tar.gz file In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1097E4@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <200104121032.f3CAWXt30100@sprite.real-time.com> On 12 Apr 01, at 2:06, Austad, Jay wrote: > mmmmm..... Frosty cold beers at installfests.... :) > > Of course, I can verify, after many late nights at the bars, that beer and > Unix do not mix, especially when trying to fix something that is seriously > broken. Or was that beer and routers.... In any case, blurry terminals and > keyboards that seem to move do not help. > Would this be considered Fuzzy Logic? :~] Jay From blayer at qwest.net Thu Apr 12 14:52:29 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Today's conference / installfest In-Reply-To: References: <3AD450D3.DBA82819@talkware.net> Message-ID: <20010412145229.22f1d809.blayer@qwest.net> Decided at the lst second that I could make it, so I'm going. Do I need a pass or anything to get in? Is it worth my while to drag along the resume? -- -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Thu Apr 12 08:03:38 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: bad tar.gz file In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1097E4@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > Of course, I can verify, after many late nights at the bars, that beer and > Unix do not mix, Of course they do. But you have to write a cron job on your drinking nights that changes all your privileges to non-root and file perms to read-only, and changes things back at about 11:00 the next morning. It's not the mistakes you make when you're drunk -- it's the one's you make when you're just hungover that really stink... Phil M -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Apr 12 08:15:34 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Today's conference / installfest In-Reply-To: <20010412145229.22f1d809.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: Hi, On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Bill Layer wrote: > -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- Sounds like some other LUG I used to be on... (; -Yaron -- From blayer at qwest.net Thu Apr 12 15:53:33 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Annoying Handspring Visor breakage in 2.4.2 In-Reply-To: References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1097E4@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010412155333.0ccac7fc.blayer@qwest.net> I have bad juju over here.. After upgrading two different machines to 2.4.2, the Handspring Visor USB driver no longer works on *one* of the machines. They are both VIA chipset motherboards: k6-2/450 on a Tyan S1590S (the working one) and AMD Duron 700 on Abit KT-7 RAID (the broken one). As far as I can tell, I have the exact same options selected in the .config for both systems (at least in the USB area...) Symptoms are: I can connect to, and read data freely from the Visor. I can create small memos or changes in addressbook, and sync them to the Visor. BUT - if I try to install an application, or do a large sync (like avantgo) it fails everytime... Jpilot complains "falied - pc file corrupt?" Arrgh.. help me please. -- -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Apr 12 09:23:38 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: bad tar.gz file In-Reply-To: <20010412044246.28130.qmail@web10105.mail.yahoo.com> References: <200104120332.f3C3W8t22047@sprite.real-time.com> <20010412044246.28130.qmail@web10105.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20010412092338.512c18d4.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Munir Nassar wrote: > > my files!!! > > well ill be darned... and i thought i had a bad file > transfer... > > next install fest you can down that pizza with an ice > cold Carlsberg... Heh, well, I'm transportationally challenged, so don't worry about that. Anyway, I just had to mention that I don't understand why tar doesn't (yet, AFAIK) have a generic uncompress flag. Gzip and Bzip(2) files have magic numbers and proper headers and everything necessary to make the whole thing automatic.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Eat drink and be merry, / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ for tomorrow they may \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) make it illegal. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Apr 12 15:49:59 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] strip EOF from binary file Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1097F1@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Ok, so I have this very large binary file that has been split up into sections. I want to put it back together, but I need to remove the EOF character from the end of each section before I stitch it back together. How do I go about this? It's binary, so I don't think I can use tr. Jay From CarHauck at aol.com Thu Apr 12 15:51:02 2001 From: CarHauck at aol.com (CarHauck@aol.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux as gateway Message-ID: <2d.a490408.28076f36@aol.com> Hi, I have an old IBM 750-p100 with 500MB hard drive. I want to fool around with Linux and use this old computer as a gateway. How would I go about doing this? Carl From clay at fandre.com Thu Apr 12 16:01:12 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux as gateway References: <2d.a490408.28076f36@aol.com> Message-ID: <3AD61798.C6E962E3@fandre.com> CarHauck@aol.com wrote: > > Hi, > I have an old IBM 750-p100 with 500MB hard drive. I want to fool around with > Linux and use this old computer as a gateway. How would I go about doing this? First of all, trade me for my 486-25. That P100 is way too much machine for a gateway. Then take a look at: http://www.zelow.no/floppyfw/foreign.html From kethry at winternet.com Thu Apr 12 16:03:10 2001 From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Micron Laptop In-Reply-To: <2d.a490408.28076f36@aol.com> Message-ID: So I was at the linux show today and ran into someone that was having problems with X-Windows on a Micron Laptop running RedHat 7.0, unfortunately I can't remember who it was -- well, as soon as I got back to the office, I checked on some stuff, and was able to pull of xwindows! *yay*...sooooo..here's what I had to do...obviously no guarantee that it'll work since this is the only machine I've tried it on, but... Install RedHat 7.0 completely with XWindows, and skip the XWindows configuration, it won't work. when you get back to thec command line, run Xconfigurator, and choose Cirrus Logic GD754x (laptop) as your card, then choose custom for the monitor. For the horizontal sync range of your monitor, choose Super VGA 1024 x 768 @ 87 MHz interlaced, 800 x 600 @ 56 Hz. Choose 50-70 for the vertical sync range of your monitor, choose to probe, and accept the default which *should* be Color Depth: 8 bits per pixel Resolution 800 x 600. voila c'est finis! Thank you for your help today! Liz Burke-Scovill -- Imagination is intelligence having fun... e-mail: kethry@winternet.com URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Apr 12 16:08:54 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux as gateway Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1097F3@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> www.coyotelinux.com has a good distro for firewalls. My friend uses it on his dialup through qwest. It works with dsl and cable though too. > -----Original Message----- > From: Clay Fandre [mailto:clay@fandre.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 4:01 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] linux as gateway > > > CarHauck@aol.com wrote: > > > > Hi, > > I have an old IBM 750-p100 with 500MB hard drive. I want to > fool around with > > Linux and use this old computer as a gateway. How would I > go about doing this? > > First of all, trade me for my 486-25. That P100 is way too > much machine > for a gateway. Then take a look at: > http://www.zelow.no/floppyfw/foreign.html > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Apr 12 16:32:12 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux as gateway In-Reply-To: <2d.a490408.28076f36@aol.com>; from CarHauck@aol.com on Thu, Apr 12, 2001 at 04:51:02PM -0400 References: <2d.a490408.28076f36@aol.com> Message-ID: <20010412163212.G19732@ringworld.org> * CarHauck@aol.com [010412 15:54]: > Hi, > I have an old IBM 750-p100 with 500MB hard drive. I want to fool around with Install debian, configure the interfaces (man interfaces), setup your internal interface for your private network, then install the ipnat package, gets you a decent little gateway going. I think sometime soon (within the month?) I'll look at writing rules for ipnat to setup iptables into super-facist mode. :) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010412/0b183128/attachment.pgp From tobytoo at black-hole.com Thu Apr 12 16:52:28 2001 From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (b. toberman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 3COM driver Message-ID: <3AD6239C.B96395@black-hole.com> I'm looking for a driver that works with a 3COM 3CCFE574BT pcmcia card, can anyone give the name or location of this elusive beastie From moomonk at wolverine.timelords.org Thu Apr 12 17:41:15 2001 From: moomonk at wolverine.timelords.org (Joshua Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] strip EOF from binary file In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1097F1@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: You could use perl. I don't know how you define a section so I can't write a regexp for you but offhand there shouldn't be any reason you *couldn't* do it. Jos ___SIG___ $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map{$_%16or$t^=$c^=( $m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110;$t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16 -2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z)[$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h =5;$_=unxb24,join"",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$ d=unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d>>12^$d>>4^ $d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q*8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^ (($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]}print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > Ok, so I have this very large binary file that has been split up into > sections. I want to put it back together, but I need to remove the EOF > character from the end of each section before I stitch it back together. > How do I go about this? It's binary, so I don't think I can use tr. > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From fertch at mninter.net Thu Apr 12 18:07:48 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 3COM driver References: <3AD6239C.B96395@black-hole.com> Message-ID: <3AD63544.A9ACC5D6@mninter.net> "b. toberman" wrote: > > I'm looking for a driver that works with a 3COM 3CCFE574BT pcmcia card, > can anyone give the name or location of this elusive beastie 3c574_cs is the module. I have one of these things in my laptop, and it gets detected no problem in Mandrake 7.0/7.1, SuSe 6.4/7/0, and Slackware 7.1 (2.2.16 kernel on Slack). Shawn From m_nassar at yahoo.com Thu Apr 12 18:45:46 2001 From: m_nassar at yahoo.com (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer WAS: RE: bad tar.gz file In-Reply-To: <200104121701.f3CH1Ft05100@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010412234546.14881.qmail@web10103.mail.yahoo.com> i come from gernamy and declining a beer is a capital offence over there... RUN! the gestapo will be there any minute now... random unrelated question question for the sake of curiosity: was anybody else here contacted by someone from ambrion(sp?)? -munir > Message: 3 > From: "Austad, Jay" > To: "'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'" > > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Re: bad tar.gz file > Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 02:06:17 -0500 > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > mmmmm..... Frosty cold beers at installfests.... :) > > Of course, I can verify, after many late nights at > the bars, that beer and > Unix do not mix, especially when trying to fix > something that is seriously > broken. Or was that beer and routers.... In any > case, blurry terminals and > keyboards that seem to move do not help. ===== -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GAT GIT dpu- s:- a19 C++ UL P+ L+(++) E--- W+ N+ w(--) K? O-- M- V- PS+ PE-(--) Y-- PGP-(---) t 5+++ X R tv-- b+++ D++ DI++ G e+ h+() r- y+ UF++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From keyj001 at worldnet.att.net Thu Apr 12 19:07:03 2001 From: keyj001 at worldnet.att.net (Joseph Key) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux as gateway References: <2d.a490408.28076f36@aol.com> Message-ID: <005301c0c3ad$af1c4d40$6439a8c0@Sakura> Try Freesco ( www.freesco.com ) with a hard drive you can add some nice utilities like SSH or try SmoothWall ( www.smoothwall.org ). Joseph ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 3:51 PM Subject: [TCLUG] linux as gateway > Hi, > I have an old IBM 750-p100 with 500MB hard drive. I want to fool around with > Linux and use this old computer as a gateway. How would I go about doing this? > > Carl > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From john at mn.mediaone.net Thu Apr 12 19:14:39 2001 From: john at mn.mediaone.net (johndmiller) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pine 4.21 and getting messages to display right Message-ID: I am having trouble getting pine to display my messages correctly. After I do a fetchmail and start up pine, pine says that there is one message when actually there are many, many messages. What am I doing wrong, is there a setting that I might have screwed up? Like I said before, I am using fetchmail and directing that to procmail where the mail getts sorted. TIA John Miller From esper at sherohman.org Thu Apr 12 20:33:32 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] strip EOF from binary file In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1097F1@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Thu, Apr 12, 2001 at 03:49:59PM -0500 References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1097F1@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010412203332.B24246@sherohman.org> On Thu, Apr 12, 2001 at 03:49:59PM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > How do I go about this? It's binary, so I don't think I can use tr. Unlike MS products, *nixes don't recognize any distinction between text and binary files. (Well, not at the OS level, anyhow. Some apps try to guess, but that's beside the point.) sed is quite happy to work on binary files; I assume tr would be also. A simple `sed -e s/^Z//g` will do it. Of course, that's assuming you want to remove _all_ occurrences of 0x1a. If it's binary data, there may be some meaningful ^Zs in there, too, which you would probably want to preserve... -- That's not gibberish... It's Linux. - Byers, The Lone Gunmen Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From tim at tneu.visi.com Thu Apr 12 12:38:36 2001 From: tim at tneu.visi.com (tim) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] debian on a Toshiba Tecra? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > On Sat, 7 Apr 2001, Yaron wrote: > > > I'm trying to put debian on this Toshiba Tecra 8100. The CD won't boot, > > and I don't have a floppy on me. The CD boots on other machines and other > > CDs (Mandrake) boots on THIS machine. The Toshiba Tecras are notorious for their incompatiblity with the 'bzImage' kernel format. You have to use a 'zImage' format. The reason for this has to do with part of the boot process. (the compression method used to decompress the kernel fails and hangs on the tecras). Since the CD-ROM internally contains the image of the psudo-boot floppy, the CD-ROM will never boot in that machine if the image on the CDROM is 'bzImage' To get around this, there are (or at least used to be) specific "tecra" boot disks for Debian. You will have to boot from this floppy and mount the CD-ROM. This would apply for installation without CD as well. You need the 'zImage' based boot disk. When/if you ever recompile the kernel, you will also need to do a make zImage as well or your new kernel will not boot. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- What the president of the Motion Picture Association of America says about taking away your constitutional rights: "I'm rather jubilant now. What Judge Kaplan did was blow away every one of these brittle and fragile rebuttals. He threw out fair use; he threw out reverse engineering; he threw out linking." - Jack Valenti, president of the Motion Picture Association of America. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ______ _ __ "If you don't have the freedom to use what you / ' ) ) own - then you do not own anything." / o ______ / / _ . . No apologies to Jack Valenti or the MPAA / <_/ / / < / (_ I started my first kernel hack today. Some fine folks at the installfest/linux conference motivated me in the right direction. As is with all things good, it ended too soon. So, my post is this. I am currently doing make menuconfig I then plan to do make dep make clean make bizimage make modules make install If I forgot something or did it in the incorrect order I will soon know, for now is the future. I will let you know how my first kernel hack went. It is probably a part of history now though. It reminds me of some cheezy "first blood" b movie or something. -Spencer Underground From chrome at real-time.com Thu Apr 12 22:30:50 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: bad tar.gz file In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1097E4@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Thu, Apr 12, 2001 at 02:06:17AM -0500 References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1097E4@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010412223050.F2575@real-time.com> > Of course, I can verify, after many late nights at the bars, that beer and > Unix do not mix, especially when trying to fix something that is seriously > broken. Or was that beer and routers.... In any case, blurry terminals and > keyboards that seem to move do not help. still, I have found alcohol to be helpful when contemplating complex configuration files. slows my brain down enough that I don't get too easily distracted by the nearest shiny object. :) took me two beers to understand XF86Config; only one to understand OpenBSD firewalling; and a whiskey every night to deal with this mailing list. ;> Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Thu Apr 12 22:36:20 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux as gateway In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1097F3@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Thu, Apr 12, 2001 at 04:08:54PM -0500 References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1097F3@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010412223615.G2575@real-time.com> > www.coyotelinux.com has a good distro for firewalls. My friend uses it on > his dialup through qwest. It works with dsl and cable though too. coyote linux requires a machine with a math coprocessor (at least with the default kernel). thus, my 486/25SX wou;n't work. through a long chain of happenstance, this is one of the reasons I ended up with an OpenBSD firewall. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Apr 12 22:37:09 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] debian on a Toshiba Tecra? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, tim wrote: > When/if you ever recompile the kernel, you will also need to do a make > zImage as well or your new kernel will not boot. Actually, I did make a bzImage and it worked fine... -Yaron -- From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Apr 12 22:39:05 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kernel In-Reply-To: <3AD67CDA.5ADE24D9@sihope.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, AAAunderground wrote: > make dep > make clean make clean isn't really needed anymore... not since 2.2.something? > make bizimage That's "make bzImage" (case sensitive). > make modules Then "make modules_install" > make install I odn't know about that, I do it manually... You should also do all but the installation as a regular user, and the su for the installation. -Yaron -- From jpschewe at mtu.net Thu Apr 12 23:02:51 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Annoying Handspring Visor breakage in 2.4.2 In-Reply-To: "Bill Layer"'s message of "Thu, 12 Apr 2001 15:53:33 -0500" References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1097E4@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> <20010412155333.0ccac7fc.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: "Bill Layer" writes: > I have bad juju over here.. > > After upgrading two different machines to 2.4.2, the Handspring Visor > USB driver no longer works on *one* of the machines. They are both VIA > chipset motherboards: k6-2/450 on a Tyan S1590S (the working one) and > AMD Duron 700 on Abit KT-7 RAID (the broken one). > > As far as I can tell, I have the exact same options selected in the > .config for both systems (at least in the USB area...) > > Symptoms are: I can connect to, and read data freely from the Visor. > I can create small memos or changes in addressbook, and sync them > to the Visor. BUT - if I try to install an application, or do a large > sync (like avantgo) it fails everytime... Jpilot complains "falied - > pc file corrupt?" > > Arrgh.. help me please. > I've got the same problem, although I haven't tried uploading small memos, I just install apps. Seems that info from PC to visor doesn't work, but visor to PC does. Same problem with 2.4.3. You've got one working though? Have you tried that config file on the other system? Should work. Can you send me the working config file? I can try it on my system and see what happens, although I suspect I'll have to change it a bit, I've got PIII-450's instead of AMD, but I'd be interested none the less. -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From jethro at freakzilla.com Fri Apr 13 00:22:02 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] strip EOF from binary file In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1097F1@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: Hi, On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > Ok, so I have this very large binary file that has been split up into > sections. I want to put it back together, but I need to remove the EOF > character from the end of each section before I stitch it back together. > How do I go about this? It's binary, so I don't think I can use tr. Didn't see any other answers... Do it in perl? Read each file into a variable and chop off the last character if it's EOF? -Yaron -- From tim at tneu.visi.com Thu Apr 12 18:08:53 2001 From: tim at tneu.visi.com (tim) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ogg vorbis trading In-Reply-To: <20010409164519.A2228@hermes.sistina.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 03:35:59PM -0500, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > >"Austad, Jay" writes: > > > >> Does anyone know of anything like Napster or Audiogalaxy that supports Ogg > >> Vorbis files? I'm sick of grabbing MP3's that have been encoded with Xing > >> or some other crappy encoder. > > While I agree that alot of people use crappy encoders, it's kind of a bummer > that stuff encoded with vorbis isn't playable in as many venues as mp3. (Car > audio, portable audio, etc) > > Nor are they as readily avalable. mp3 isn't going anywhere unless everyone > jumps on the ogg bandwagon, unfortunately there isn't much to cause people to > do so. True Quadrophonic sound support... Although I have yet to see anyone use it... :-) -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- What the president of the Motion Picture Association of America says about taking away your constitutional rights: "I'm rather jubilant now. What Judge Kaplan did was blow away every one of these brittle and fragile rebuttals. He threw out fair use; he threw out reverse engineering; he threw out linking." - Jack Valenti, president of the Motion Picture Association of America. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ______ _ __ "If you don't have the freedom to use what you / ' ) ) own - then you do not own anything." / o ______ / / _ . . No apologies to Jack Valenti or the MPAA / <_/ / / < / (_ isn't there a limit to the size of each variable? In any case, I think I've solved the issue. The binary was a split up gzip file, and gzip seems to ignore the EOF chars if you do something like: cat file_* | gzip -cd > file Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Yaron [mailto:jethro@freakzilla.com] > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 12:22 AM > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] strip EOF from binary file > > > Hi, > > On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > > > Ok, so I have this very large binary file that has been > split up into > > sections. I want to put it back together, but I need to > remove the EOF > > character from the end of each section before I stitch it > back together. > > How do I go about this? It's binary, so I don't think I can use tr. > > Didn't see any other answers... > > Do it in perl? Read each file into a variable and chop off the last > character if it's EOF? > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Apr 13 02:41:45 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] list speed Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1097FF@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Bob, what'd you do to the list? It's nice and fast now. Jay From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Fri Apr 13 07:14:47 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ogg vorbis trading In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, tim wrote: > > Nor are they as readily avalable. mp3 isn't going anywhere unless everyone > > jumps on the ogg bandwagon, unfortunately there isn't much to cause people to > > do so. > > True Quadrophonic sound support... > > Although I have yet to see anyone use it... :-) MPEG-AAC supports 48 channels, btw. I have yet to see anyone use that either... -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Fri Apr 13 07:16:50 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: bad tar.gz file In-Reply-To: <20010412223050.F2575@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > Of course, I can verify, after many late nights at the bars, that beer and > > Unix do not mix, especially when trying to fix something that is seriously > > broken. Or was that beer and routers.... In any case, blurry terminals and > > keyboards that seem to move do not help. > > still, I have found alcohol to be helpful when contemplating complex > configuration files. slows my brain down enough that I don't get too easily > distracted by the nearest shiny object. :) > > took me two beers to understand XF86Config; only one to understand OpenBSD > firewalling; and a whiskey every night to deal with this mailing list. ;> Does this perhaps explain the high correlation between AA members and sendmail admins? Phil M -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From veldy at veldy.net Fri Apr 13 07:49:02 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kernel References: <3AD67CDA.5ADE24D9@sihope.com> Message-ID: <001601c0c418$1e269c80$3028680a@tgt.com> And what might that hack be? Why did you do it? Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "AAAunderground" To: Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 11:13 PM Subject: [TCLUG] kernel > > I started my first kernel hack today. Some fine folks at the > installfest/linux conference motivated me in the right direction. As is > with all things good, it ended too soon. So, my post is this. I am > currently doing > make menuconfig > I then plan to do > make dep > make clean > make bizimage > make modules > make install > If I forgot something or did it in the incorrect order I will soon know, > for now is the future. > I will let you know how my first kernel hack went. It is probably a part > of history now though. > It reminds me of some cheezy "first blood" b movie or something. > -Spencer Underground > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From andy at theasis.com Fri Apr 13 09:04:19 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pine 4.21 and getting messages to display right In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I am having trouble getting pine to display my messages correctly. After > I do a fetchmail and start up pine, pine says that there is one message > when actually there are many, many messages. What am I doing > wrong, is there a setting that I might have screwed up? > > Like I said before, I am using fetchmail and directing that to procmail > where the mail getts sorted. I'm still not sure what you're doing. Fetchmail normally delivers to the SMTP port on the local machine (e.g. sendmail) so do you mean that it's going through procmail via sendmail or are you explicitly saying to use procmail using a -m or -mda flag. Fetchmail normally grabs one mail at a time and passes it to the local mail server. So I wonder if you are doing something to make it *not* do that. Someone may be able to help if you give a more explicit description of what you're doing, including where you're getting mail from, as well as settings for fetchmail and procmail. Andy > > TIA > > John Miller > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jpschewe at mtu.net Fri Apr 13 09:06:42 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] strip EOF from binary file In-Reply-To: "Austad, Jay"'s message of "Fri, 13 Apr 2001 02:38:40 -0500" References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1097FE@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: Actually I believe cat does that. There's some magic that goes on in the shell, cat removes the EOF and the shell adds the EOF to file when file gets closed. "Austad, Jay" writes: > isn't there a limit to the size of each variable? > > In any case, I think I've solved the issue. The binary was a split up gzip > file, and gzip seems to ignore the EOF chars if you do something like: > cat file_* | gzip -cd > file > > Jay > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Yaron [mailto:jethro@freakzilla.com] > > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 12:22 AM > > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] strip EOF from binary file > > > > > > Hi, > > > > On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > > > > > Ok, so I have this very large binary file that has been > > split up into > > > sections. I want to put it back together, but I need to > > remove the EOF > > > character from the end of each section before I stitch it > > back together. > > > How do I go about this? It's binary, so I don't think I can use tr. > > > > Didn't see any other answers... > > > > Do it in perl? Read each file into a variable and chop off the last > > character if it's EOF? > > > > -Yaron > > > > -- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From florin at iucha.net Fri Apr 13 09:19:31 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kernel In-Reply-To: <001601c0c418$1e269c80$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 13 Apr 2001, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > And what might that hack be? Why did you do it? He tries to hack the PCMCIA network card to send and receive packets :) florin > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "AAAunderground" > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 11:13 PM > Subject: [TCLUG] kernel > > > > > > I started my first kernel hack today. Some fine folks at the > > installfest/linux conference motivated me in the right direction. As is > > with all things good, it ended too soon. So, my post is this. I am > > currently doing > > make menuconfig > > I then plan to do > > make dep > > make clean > > make bizimage > > make modules > > make install > > If I forgot something or did it in the incorrect order I will soon know, > > for now is the future. > > I will let you know how my first kernel hack went. It is probably a part > > of history now though. > > It reminds me of some cheezy "first blood" b movie or something. > > -Spencer Underground > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Fri Apr 13 10:40:29 2001 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] strip EOF from binary file Message-ID: Not a perl dependant one, IIRC. I wouldn't try to slurp up files larger than available memory, however. >>> austad@marketwatch.com 04/13/01 02:38AM >>> isn't there a limit to the size of each variable? From natecars at real-time.com Fri Apr 13 11:43:04 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telocity DSL Message-ID: Just got an e-mail notification; my router will be here on Monday. Cool. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From clay at fandre.com Fri Apr 13 12:00:11 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telocity DSL References: Message-ID: <3AD7309B.1E861655@fandre.com> Nate Carlson wrote: > > Just got an e-mail notification; my router will be here on Monday. Cool. > :) > You lucky dog. I just talked to Telecoty yesterday and they said it would be another 2-3 weeks for me. Doh! From andy at theasis.com Fri Apr 13 12:10:53 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telocity DSL In-Reply-To: <3AD7309B.1E861655@fandre.com> Message-ID: Pah! You're both lucky dogs. Over here in Ham Lake I can't reasonably expect to get it anytime in the forseeable future. So I'm messing with ISDN woes. Andy On Fri, 13 Apr 2001, Clay Fandre wrote: > Nate Carlson wrote: > > > > Just got an e-mail notification; my router will be here on Monday. Cool. > > :) > > > > You lucky dog. I just talked to Telecoty yesterday and they said it > would be another 2-3 weeks for me. Doh! > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From fertch at mninter.net Fri Apr 13 12:30:53 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telocity DSL References: Message-ID: <3AD737CD.9F6609C@mninter.net> andy@theasis.com wrote: > > Pah! You're both lucky dogs. > Over here in Ham Lake I can't reasonably expect to get it anytime in the > forseeable future. So I'm messing with ISDN woes. > > Andy Andy, I hear ya! I went through ISDN hell of getting it going and even just ordered and installed to the house! Shawn From m_nassar at yahoo.com Fri Apr 13 12:28:04 2001 From: m_nassar at yahoo.com (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #879 - 18 msgs In-Reply-To: <200104130339.f3D3d6t17286@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010413172804.85496.qmail@web10102.mail.yahoo.com> I am trying to do the exact same thing on my machine at home, it is the exact same machine as well, but i upgraded the hard drives to a 3Gig and a 1 Gig... i am going to be working on it this weekend... lets trade war stories when they work... -munir PS: FreeSco is a nice little project but needs more work, the domain name resolution is a tad too slow (and it doesnt cache!), Netscape balks and you have to enter the address a few times for it to go... a way around that is to ping the host before you visit :( > Message: 2 > From: CarHauck@aol.com > Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 16:51:02 EDT > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] linux as gateway > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Hi, > I have an old IBM 750-p100 with 500MB hard drive. I > want to fool around with > Linux and use this old computer as a gateway. How > would I go about doing this? > > Carl ===== -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GAT GIT dpu- s:- a19 C++ UL P+ L+(++) E--- W+ N+ w(--) K? O-- M- V- PS+ PE-(--) Y-- PGP-(---) t 5+++ X R tv-- b+++ D++ DI++ G e+ h+() r- y+ UF++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From m_nassar at yahoo.com Fri Apr 13 12:33:21 2001 From: m_nassar at yahoo.com (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Linux Kernel compile In-Reply-To: <200104130339.f3D3d6t17286@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010413173321.17205.qmail@web10108.mail.yahoo.com> actually the correct order would be: make mrproper (to clear out all those old bad compiles) make menuconfig (to do as much damage as you can) make dep (it says so right when you are done with menuconfig) make bzImage (the boot kernel, you can find it under ./arch//bzImage you have to copy it to /boot/vmlinuz. and configure lilo make modules (to create all the modules) make modules_install (to install the modules) -munir > Message: 15 > Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 21:13:14 -0700 > From: AAAunderground > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] kernel > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > I started my first kernel hack today. Some fine > folks at the > installfest/linux conference motivated me in the > right direction. As is > with all things good, it ended too soon. So, my post > is this. I am > currently doing > make menuconfig > I then plan to do > make dep > make clean > make bizimage > make modules > make install > If I forgot something or did it in the incorrect > order I will soon know, > for now is the future. > I will let you know how my first kernel hack went. > It is probably a part > of history now though. > It reminds me of some cheezy "first blood" b movie > or something. > -Spencer Underground ===== -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GAT GIT dpu- s:- a19 C++ UL P+ L+(++) E--- W+ N+ w(--) K? O-- M- V- PS+ PE-(--) Y-- PGP-(---) t 5+++ X R tv-- b+++ D++ DI++ G e+ h+() r- y+ UF++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From natecars at real-time.com Fri Apr 13 12:51:46 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telocity DSL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 13 Apr 2001 andy@theasis.com wrote: > Pah! You're both lucky dogs. > Over here in Ham Lake I can't reasonably expect to get it anytime in the > forseeable future. So I'm messing with ISDN woes. I already got that. Too slow. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From jpschewe at mtu.net Fri Apr 13 13:26:46 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] strip EOF from binary file In-Reply-To: "Troy Johnson"'s message of "Fri, 13 Apr 2001 10:40:29 -0500" References: Message-ID: Why not? That's what pipes are for. The file can start writing to disk to free up memory. You don't need to load the whole file into memory to cat it into another one. "Troy Johnson" writes: > Not a perl dependant one, IIRC. I wouldn't try to slurp up files larger than available memory, however. > > >>> austad@marketwatch.com 04/13/01 02:38AM >>> > isn't there a limit to the size of each variable? > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From john at mn.mediaone.net Fri Apr 13 13:53:23 2001 From: john at mn.mediaone.net (johndmiller) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] re pine Message-ID: I am unable to reply to the message to maintain the thread, but to answer Andy's questions I am getting my e-mail from a pop server. My ISP is Mediaone. Here is my fetchmailrc file: server pop.mn.mediaone.net protocol pop3 username xxxxxxx password xxxxxx mda procmail I have set procmail to verbose and I can see that it is processing each message and sorting them to the rules in the procmailrc file. Here is some of my procmailrc file: VERBOSE = yes LOGABSTRACT = all MAILDIR= /home/john PMDIR=$HOME/Procmail LOGFILE=$PMDIR/log :0: * ^TO_tclug $MAILDIR/TCLub :0: * ^TO_php-general $MAILDIR/PHPGeneral .... and there are others, but this should give you an idea of what I am trying to do. To retrieve my mail, I just type fetchmail. Thanks, John Miller From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Fri Apr 13 14:11:11 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telocity DSL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 13 Apr 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > Just got an e-mail notification; my router will be here on Monday. Cool. > :) When did you order it? What part of the metro area? -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From simeonuj at eetc.com Fri Apr 13 14:25:10 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telocity DSL ... mostly just a rant References: <3AD7309B.1E861655@fandre.com> Message-ID: <3AD75269.2DE410D9@eetc.com> I made a mistake the first time I looked at it. It is not actually available in my area ( Damn!! ). We can't get SDSL in our area yet but can get DSL from Qwest. I like the fact that you can cancel anytime. As soon I can get a better deal and provider I'm gone. My brother got Qwest and it was a royal pain in the ass. First they lost the router. Although I think that was a UPS screw up ( UPS sucks too ). Then the connection was pathetic. Service really really really really sucked. One of the service techs said that the phone lines in that area were old and going bad. Ya! How is your phone lines my problem? Fix the damn things. We are supposed to pay you to fix your wires so that we can get your service. I think they are being payed enough already. I am happy to report that at least one lady over there knows how to handle a costumer. After we finally got the router and had everything installed but still had no connection for over a month afterward we finally got a tech that would do something about it. She gave us the month free ( since we weren't connected anyway ) and soon after the problems were fixed. I still despise Qwest for that but they are the only service provider in our area. I realize that this is something that all major companies go through and that the wires in our erea are really old. It's not just what they say though, it's how they say it. As if they truly don't care if you order there service or not and you could just as well crawl into a hole and die as far as anyone at there end is concerned. They already tricked you into paying an astronomical amount for the damn router so there already above the line. It's not a bad connection once all the kinks are worked out though. Damn, I wanted to use Telocity. Oh well sim Clay Fandre wrote: > Nate Carlson wrote: > > > > Just got an e-mail notification; my router will be here on Monday. Cool. > > :) > > > > You lucky dog. I just talked to Telecoty yesterday and they said it > would be another 2-3 weeks for me. Doh! > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Fri Apr 13 14:26:34 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telocity DSL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 13 Apr 2001, Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > When did you order it? What part of the metro area? Ordered it on the 23rd of March, installer was at my house 4/6... House in West Bloomington.. according to both Covad and Rythyms, 14500 feet from the CO, Qworst says I'm around 15900.. heh. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From creatorc at cloudnet.com Fri Apr 13 14:27:19 2001 From: creatorc at cloudnet.com (David Neeb) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pine 4.21 and getting messages to display right In-Reply-To: <200104130339.f3D3d9t17292@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: Maybe a silly question... But are you getting a digest of the list? I get it that way to save checking mail all the time. -Dave >I am having trouble getting pine to display my messages correctly. After >I do a fetchmail and start up pine, pine says that there is one message >when actually there are many, many messages. What am I doing >wrong, is there a setting that I might have screwed up? > >Like I said before, I am using fetchmail and directing that to procmail >where the mail getts sorted. > >TIA > >John Miller From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Fri Apr 13 14:42:31 2001 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] strip EOF from binary file Message-ID: You are correct, but when I say slurp I think of: $/ = ''; open(FILE,"< somefile.txt"); $input = ; close(FILE); similar to what File::Slurp provides. But that might not be the way most folks would see it. :-| >>> jpschewe@mtu.net 04/13/01 01:26PM >>> Why not? That's what pipes are for. The file can start writing to disk to free up memory. You don't need to load the whole file into memory to cat it into another one. "Troy Johnson" writes: > Not a perl dependant one, IIRC. I wouldn't try to slurp up files larger than available memory, however. > > >>> austad@marketwatch.com 04/13/01 02:38AM >>> > isn't there a limit to the size of each variable? > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sam at acelabel.com Fri Apr 13 15:40:52 2001 From: sam at acelabel.com (Sam Bakshian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How do you setup a Minolta/QMS Magicolor 330EX Printer to work with a Samba Server Message-ID: My company is migrating from a Novell Netware server to a Samba server. We have been able to configure the Samba Print Server to work with all of the HP Laserjet printers on the LAN but have had no luck with our QMS/Minolta Magicolor 330EX Color Laser Printer which is also on the LAN. I believe that it is a postscript printer. The Macintosh computers on the network print directly to the printer without any problems. The problem is that the Window clients can't. Does anyone know how to setup the queue of a Samba server to communicate properly with a QMS Magicolor 330EX printer? Thanks very much, Sam ---------------------------- Sam Bakshian Ace Label Systems, Inc. 763-277-7700 Ext. 206 sam@acelabel.com From andy at theasis.com Fri Apr 13 16:07:07 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] re pine, fetchmail, procmail Message-ID: John, I'm no procmail, fetchmail, or even pine expert, but I play one on TV. Or I have a friend who knows a bit more than I do, and so when I took an interest in this question, passed it on to him.... So the advice below is from Marty. If it works, it's his credit. If it doesn't, it's my fault. Andy ---------- Forwarded message ---------- I guess that fetchmail is bundling them up into one lump and procmail is escaping the 'From's because it thinks it should. He should maybe try a fetchmailrc file that says server pop.mn.mediaone.net protocol pop3 username xxxxxxx password xxxxxx mda formail -s procmail and formail will split the messages apart and hand them to procmail one at a time. If that doesn't do it then yeah, maybe he has pine configured funnily. The fact that he can see procmail processing each file suggests that the latter might be the case. A couple of other things that might be worth noting from his procmailrc file: > Here is some of my procmailrc file: > VERBOSE = yes > LOGABSTRACT = all > MAILDIR= /home/john > PMDIR=$HOME/Procmail > LOGFILE=$PMDIR/log > :0: > * ^TO_tclug > $MAILDIR/TCLub '$MAILDIR' is implied in the delivery action. So he can just say: :0: * ^TO_tclug TCLub If he's still not getting anywhere it might be useful to see a couple of consecutive entries from the procmail log file. M -- From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Apr 13 16:56:33 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] alsa with 2.4.3 Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109807@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Did anyone get Alsa 0.5.10b working with kernel 2.4.3? I get all sorts of unresolved symbols errors when trying to load the modules. From dcsherman at qwest.net Fri Apr 13 17:13:38 2001 From: dcsherman at qwest.net (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Conference Message-ID: <01041317133801.01798@numidea.thuria.org> Hi all, I haven't seen any comments regarding the conference yesterday, but for myself, I enjoyed it quite a bit. Not only was it a good excuse to get out of the office, but the presentations were fairly helpful and informative (thanks to Amy Tanner for answering my questions about PHP!). Amy, Nate, Bob, and all the rest whose names I am not remembering at the moment: GREAT JOB! While the Apache/Database talk was most relevant to my interests at the moment, I did get a lot out of both Nate Carlson's security talk, and Bob Tanner's (I hope I'm getting the names right) Sendmail presentation. Just one request for the Real-Timers: When will your presentations be online? I need to get a summary to my boss, and I stopped taking notes when I heard that the presentations would be available on the website :-p Dave -- "...[W]e preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God." (1 Cor 1:23-24) From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Fri Apr 13 17:28:54 2001 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How do you setup a Minolta/QMS Magicolor 330EXPrinter to work with a Samba Server Message-ID: Some interesting links: http://www.cups.org/ http://www.linuxprinting.org/ http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/doc/printer.htm http://www.stokely.com/unix.sysadm.resources/printing.html http://www.computerbob.com/fun/review_minolta_printer.html http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/Printing-HOWTO/printers.html http://www.linux.com/howto/Printing-HOWTO/printers.html?printable=yes www.google.com => "linux printer compatibility minolta qms" >>> sam@acelabel.com 04/13/01 03:40PM >>> My company is migrating from a Novell Netware server to a Samba server. We have been able to configure the Samba Print Server to work with all of the HP Laserjet printers on the LAN but have had no luck with our QMS/Minolta Magicolor 330EX Color Laser Printer which is also on the LAN. I believe that it is a postscript printer. The Macintosh computers on the network print directly to the printer without any problems. The problem is that the Window clients can't. Does anyone know how to setup the queue of a Samba server to communicate properly with a QMS Magicolor 330EX printer? Thanks very much, Sam ---------------------------- Sam Bakshian Ace Label Systems, Inc. 763-277-7700 Ext. 206 sam@acelabel.com _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Apr 13 18:12:41 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Conference In-Reply-To: <01041317133801.01798@numidea.thuria.org>; from dcsherman@qwest.net on Fri, Apr 13, 2001 at 05:13:38PM -0500 References: <01041317133801.01798@numidea.thuria.org> Message-ID: <20010413181240.B7492@ringworld.org> * Dave Sherman [010413 17:10]: > moment, I did get a lot out of both Nate Carlson's security talk, and Bob http://training.micro.umn.edu/ShortCourses/ClassDetail.cfm?ClassID=590 This is also a good course/seminar thing on security and unix. Good for those who just need lots of starting points of what to avoid and what to do. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010413/d76f0c8e/attachment.pgp From john at mn.mediaone.net Fri Apr 13 20:20:51 2001 From: john at mn.mediaone.net (johndmiller) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pine/fetchmail/procmail Message-ID: I have changed my fetchmail to look like mda formail -s procmail and fetchmail returns a parsing error 2 I looked up formail to see if I typed anything wrong. I am running fetchmail 5.5.0 any ideas on this problem. ----------------------------------------------- I have looked at my pine settings and they are all set to default (except the ones that log in to the server) Is there something in pine that I was supposed to set? --------------------------------------------------- Marty had suggested that I post some of my log, here it is. procmail: No match on "(^((Original-)?(Resent-)?(To|Cc|Bcc)|(X-Envelope|Apparently(-Resent)?)-To):(.*[^-a-zA-Z0-9_.])?)tclug" procmail: Match on "(^((Original-)?(Resent-)?(To|Cc|Bcc)|(X-Envelope|Apparently(-Resent)?)-To):(.*[^-a-zA-Z0-9_.])?)php-general" procmail: Locking "/home/john/mail/PHPGeneral.lock" procmail: Assigning "LASTFOLDER=/home/john/mail/PHPGeneral" procmail: Opening "/home/john/mail/PHPGeneral" procmail: Acquiring kernel-lock procmail: Unlocking "/home/john/mail/PHPGeneral.lock" Subject: Re: [PHP] foreach function Folder: /home/john/mail/PHPGeneral 2436 procmail: Notified comsat: "john@78798:/home/john/mail/PHPGeneral" procmail: No match on "(^((Original-)?(Resent-)?(To|Cc|Bcc)|(X-Envelope|Apparently(-Resent)?)-To):(.*[^-a-zA-Z0-9_.])?)tclug" procmail: Match on "(^((Original-)?(Resent-)?(To|Cc|Bcc)|(X-Envelope|Apparently(-Resent)?)-To):(.*[^-a-zA-Z0-9_.])?)php-general" procmail: Locking "/home/john/mail/PHPGeneral.lock" procmail: Assigning "LASTFOLDER=/home/john/mail/PHPGeneral" procmail: Opening "/home/john/mail/PHPGeneral" procmail: Acquiring kernel-lock procmail: Unlocking "/home/john/mail/PHPGeneral.lock" Subject: Re: [PHP] php, mysql, and wysiwyg. Folder: /home/john/mail/PHPGeneral 2595 procmail: Notified comsat: "john@81234:/home/john/mail/PHPGeneral" procmail: No match on "(^((Original-)?(Resent-)?(To|Cc|Bcc)|(X-Envelope|Apparently(-Resent)?)-To):(.*[^-a-zA-Z0-9_.])?)tclug" procmail: Match on "(^((Original-)?(Resent-)?(To|Cc|Bcc)|(X-Envelope|Apparently(-Resent)?)-To):(.*[^-a-zA-Z0-9_.])?)php-general" procmail: Locking "/home/john/mail/PHPGeneral.lock" procmail: Assigning "LASTFOLDER=/home/john/mail/PHPGeneral" procmail: Opening "/home/john/mail/PHPGeneral" procmail: Acquiring kernel-lock procmail: Unlocking "/home/john/mail/PHPGeneral.lock" Subject: Re: [PHP] XML via socket connection Folder: /home/john/mail/PHPGeneral 2568 procmail: Notified comsat: "john@83829:/home/john/mail/PHPGeneral" procmail: No match on "(^((Original-)?(Resent-)?(To|Cc|Bcc)|(X-Envelope|Apparently(-Resent)?)-To):(.*[^-a-zA-Z0-9_.])?)tclug" procmail: Match on "(^((Original-)?(Resent-)?(To|Cc|Bcc)|(X-Envelope|Apparently(-Resent)?)-To):(.*[^-a-zA-Z0-9_.])?)php-general" procmail: Locking "/home/john/mail/PHPGeneral.lock" procmail: Assigning "LASTFOLDER=/home/john/mail/PHPGeneral" procmail: Opening "/home/john/mail/PHPGeneral" procmail: Acquiring kernel-lock procmail: Unlocking "/home/john/mail/PHPGeneral.lock" Subject: Re: [PHP] header( ) Folder: /home/john/mail/PHPGeneral 3020 procmail: Notified comsat: "john@86397:/home/john/mail/PHPGeneral" procmail: No match on "(^((Original-)?(Resent-)?(To|Cc|Bcc)|(X-Envelope|Apparently(-Resent)?)-To):(.*[^-a-zA-Z0-9_.])?)tclug" procmail: Match on "(^((Original-)?(Resent-)?(To|Cc|Bcc)|(X-Envelope|Apparently(-Resent)?)-To):(.*[^-a-zA-Z0-9_.])?)php-general" procmail: Locking "/home/john/mail/PHPGeneral.lock" procmail: Assigning "LASTFOLDER=/home/john/mail/PHPGeneral" procmail: Opening "/home/john/mail/PHPGeneral" procmail: Acquiring kernel-lock procmail: Unlocking "/home/john/mail/PHPGeneral.lock" Subject: Re: [PHP] HTML and PHP? Folder: /home/john/mail/PHPGeneral 2881 procmail: Notified comsat: "john@89417:/home/john/mail/PHPGeneral" Thanks John Miller From spencer at sihope.com Sat Apr 14 09:46:10 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (AAAunderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: kernel References: <200104131701.f3DH1Ft32376@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <3AD862B2.6040405@sihope.com> >And what might that hack be? Why did you do it? Because it was a possibility. >make mrproper (to clear out all those old bad >compiles) >make menuconfig (to do as much damage as you can) >make dep (it says so right when you are done with >menuconfig) >make bzImage (the boot kernel, you can find it under >../arch//bzImage you have to copy it to >/boot/vmlinuz. and configure lilo >make modules (to create all the modules) >make modules_install (to install the modules) Well seeing as how the kernel has yet to boot I will attempt to do it in another sequence. I did not do mrproper (I will next). I did the bzImage after make modules (I spaced it) and I forgot the uderscore for make modules install (it still processed info). I did do all of this as su, however. So I suppose I will continue to hack away at the kernel and my laptop and the coffee table and the sofa and the ........ -Spencer Underground From andy at theasis.com Sat Apr 14 08:49:35 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pine/fetchmail/procmail (fwd) Message-ID: > I have changed my fetchmail to look like > mda formail -s procmail > > and fetchmail returns a parsing error 2 My mistake. I should've said: mda "formail -s procmail" It might also be worth trying: mda "procmail -d %T" which puts procmail explicitly into "mail delivery" mode. Hmmm....actually, that might be it! > You had suggested that I post some of my log, here it is. Which makes it clear that fetchmail is not the cause of the problem. So it must be procmail (or how procmail is invoked) or pine. If neither of the above suggestions do the job, try opening up one of the mailboxes, e.g. /home/john/mail/PHPGeneral, using vi and type '/^From ' to look for occurrences of 'From' at the start of each mail. Just to check that procmail isn't escaping them. M -- From blutgens at minime Sat Apr 14 14:03:00 2001 From: blutgens at minime (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pine/fetchmail/procmail (fwd) In-Reply-To: ; from andy@theasis.com on Sat, Apr 14, 2001 at 08:49:35AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010414140300.A2686@minime> On Sat, Apr 14, 2001 at 08:49:35AM -0500, andy@theasis.com wrote: > >It might also be worth trying: > > mda "procmail -d %T" Here's what my .fetchmailrc looks like poll mail.isp.com with proto imap: user "idiotben" there has password "gotroot" is blutgens here and wants mda "/usr/bin/procmail -d %T" > >Which makes it clear that fetchmail is not the cause of the problem. So >it must be procmail (or how procmail is invoked) or pine. If neither of >the above suggestions do the job, try opening up one of the mailboxes, >e.g. /home/john/mail/PHPGeneral, using vi and type '/^From ' to look for >occurrences of 'From' at the start of each mail. Just to check that >procmail isn't escaping them. Procmail has a verbose / debug mode you can make a copy of an mbox file and continuously test it. > >M >-- > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010414/691746a1/attachment.pgp From jwanderson at uswest.net Sat Apr 14 16:05:15 2001 From: jwanderson at uswest.net (Jay W. Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] woody install Message-ID: <200104142105.f3EL5Kt26316@sprite.real-time.com> I'm trying to do my 1st debian install as a network install of woody. I've d/l'ed the disk images, dd'ed them to floppy, & gotten through the install process up to the point where the install program tries to get the package list from one of the debian servers. And I'm stuck there. I do have network connectivity, can ping my router & external nameservers. The install does "trying to get ..." and gets a return error of 256 or 403:forbidden. Any ideas or further information needed? Thanks, Jay P.S. I've just about completely recovered from the lost partition table oops on Thursday. Linux seems to not have any issues, Windows on the other hand... (-; From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Sat Apr 14 16:17:48 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] woody install In-Reply-To: <200104142105.f3EL5Kt26316@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 14 Apr 2001, Jay W. Anderson wrote: > I'm trying to do my 1st debian install as a network install of woody. > I've d/l'ed the disk images, dd'ed them to floppy, & gotten through > the install process up to the point where the install program tries > to get the package list from one of the debian servers. And I'm stuck > there. I do have network connectivity, can ping my router & external > nameservers. The install does "trying to get ..." and gets a return > error of 256 or 403:forbidden. Any ideas or further information > needed? What debian server are you using? Have you pinged *that*? You might try another server, if that doesn't work, but I only suggest it because it's the easiest suggestion, not necessarily the most likely. (Don't know enough to hazard a guess.) Are you choosing ftp install, or what? Phil M -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Sat Apr 14 16:19:39 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Amanda In-Reply-To: <200104142105.f3EL5Kt26316@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: I know someone -- I think Carl Soderstrom -- was mucking with Amanda. I need to get it up and running. It seems straight forward, but I was wondering if anyone had a suggestion as to things to watch for. What are the tricky bits? Thanks, Phil M -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From ben at nerp.net Sat Apr 14 16:29:31 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Amanda In-Reply-To: Message-ID: the really only tricky bits with amanda have to do with making sure the /etc/inetd.conf is setup properly on the clients and the servers, and that you have ~amanda-user/.amandahosts setup to point to the amanda server. i've setup a bunch of amanda servers before.. just post if you have any problems.. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Sat, 14 Apr 2001, Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > I know someone -- I think Carl Soderstrom -- was mucking with Amanda. I > need to get it up and running. It seems straight forward, but I was > wondering if anyone had a suggestion as to things to watch for. What are > the tricky bits? > > Thanks, > Phil M > > -- > "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jwanderson at uswest.net Sat Apr 14 19:32:01 2001 From: jwanderson at uswest.net (Jay W. Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] woody install In-Reply-To: References: <200104142105.f3EL5Kt26316@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <200104150032.f3F0W7t29420@sprite.real-time.com> On 14 Apr 01, at 16:17, Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > On Sat, 14 Apr 2001, Jay W. Anderson wrote: > > > I'm trying to do my 1st debian install as a network install of woody. > What debian server are you using? http.us.debian.org Have you pinged *that*? I've surfed it! You might try > another server, The install program seems to run through a list of files that it is trying to retrieve & fails on all of them with either a http/1.0 403 or 404 error. if that doesn't work, but I only suggest it because it's > the easiest suggestion, not necessarily the most likely. (Don't know > enough to hazard a guess.) > > Are you choosing ftp install, or what? The only options on this installer are cdrom, network, already mounted & nfs. The help/readme says that the only network protocol currently supported is http. This is a different setup program than what I remember when I tried to install potato a while ago. It now claims that woody is the stable release. The disc images have a creation date of 4/1302001 ~23:00. Jay From hutera at mediaone.net Sat Apr 14 21:43:17 2001 From: hutera at mediaone.net (Hutera) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] REMOVE References: <200104141701.f3EH1Bt23489@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <3AD90AC3.9B972334@mediaone.net> REMOVE tclug-list-request@mn-linux.org wrote: > Send tclug-list mailing list submissions to > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > tclug-list-request@mn-linux.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of tclug-list digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: How do you setup a Minolta/QMS Magicolor 330EXPrinter to work with a Samba Server (Troy Johnson) > 2. Re: Linux Conference (Scott Dier) > 3. Pine/fetchmail/procmail (johndmiller) > 4. Re: kernel (AAAunderground) > 5. Re: Pine/fetchmail/procmail (fwd) (andy@theasis.com) > 6. Re: Pine/fetchmail/procmail (fwd) (Ben Lutgens) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 17:28:54 -0500 > From: "Troy Johnson" > To: > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] How do you setup a Minolta/QMS Magicolor 330EXPrinter to work with a Samba Server > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Some interesting links: > > http://www.cups.org/ > http://www.linuxprinting.org/ > http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/doc/printer.htm > http://www.stokely.com/unix.sysadm.resources/printing.html > http://www.computerbob.com/fun/review_minolta_printer.html > http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/Printing-HOWTO/printers.html > http://www.linux.com/howto/Printing-HOWTO/printers.html?printable=yes > > www.google.com => "linux printer compatibility minolta qms" > > >>> sam@acelabel.com 04/13/01 03:40PM >>> > My company is migrating from a Novell Netware server to a Samba server. We > have been able to configure the Samba Print Server to work with all of the > HP Laserjet printers on the LAN but have had no luck with our QMS/Minolta > Magicolor 330EX Color Laser Printer which is also on the LAN. > > I believe that it is a postscript printer. The Macintosh computers on the > network print directly to the printer without any problems. The problem is > that the Window clients can't. > > Does anyone know how to setup the queue of a Samba server to communicate > properly with a QMS Magicolor 330EX printer? > > Thanks very much, > Sam > ---------------------------- > Sam Bakshian > Ace Label Systems, Inc. > 763-277-7700 Ext. 206 > sam@acelabel.com > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 18:12:41 -0500 > From: Scott Dier > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Linux Conference > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > --BwCQnh7xodEAoBMC > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Disposition: inline > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > * Dave Sherman [010413 17:10]: > > moment, I did get a lot out of both Nate Carlson's security talk, and Bob= > =20 > > http://training.micro.umn.edu/ShortCourses/ClassDetail.cfm?ClassID=3D590 > > This is also a good course/seminar thing on security and unix. Good for > those who just need lots of starting points of what to avoid and what to > do. > > --=20 > Scott Dier > http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net > > So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant > > --BwCQnh7xodEAoBMC > Content-Type: application/pgp-signature > Content-Disposition: inline > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iD8DBQE614foyXQl+65LXZIRApbJAKCOEjt5Q0SY+Ql2bJtv931Tn9esagCgnfDI > gSOYubGYnchzyaXFVjR5dOs= > =Zgog > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > --BwCQnh7xodEAoBMC-- > > --__--__-- > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 20:20:51 -0500 (CDT) > From: johndmiller > To: > Subject: [TCLUG] Pine/fetchmail/procmail > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > I have changed my fetchmail to look like > mda formail -s procmail > > and fetchmail returns a parsing error 2 > > I looked up formail to see if I typed anything wrong. > > I am running fetchmail 5.5.0 > > any ideas on this problem. > > ----------------------------------------------- > > I have looked at my pine settings and they are all set to default (except > the ones that log in to the server) > > Is there something in pine that I was supposed to set? > > --------------------------------------------------- > > Marty had suggested that I post some of my log, here it is. > > procmail: No match on "(^((Original-)?(Resent-)?(To|Cc|Bcc)|(X-Envelope|Apparently(-Resent)?)-To):(.*[^-a-zA-Z0-9_.])?)tclug" > procmail: Match on "(^((Original-)?(Resent-)?(To|Cc|Bcc)|(X-Envelope|Apparently(-Resent)?)-To):(.*[^-a-zA-Z0-9_.])?)php-general" > procmail: Locking "/home/john/mail/PHPGeneral.lock" > procmail: Assigning "LASTFOLDER=/home/john/mail/PHPGeneral" > procmail: Opening "/home/john/mail/PHPGeneral" > procmail: Acquiring kernel-lock > procmail: Unlocking "/home/john/mail/PHPGeneral.lock" > Subject: Re: [PHP] foreach function > Folder: /home/john/mail/PHPGeneral 2436 > procmail: Notified comsat: "john@78798:/home/john/mail/PHPGeneral" > procmail: No match on "(^((Original-)?(Resent-)?(To|Cc|Bcc)|(X-Envelope|Apparently(-Resent)?)-To):(.*[^-a-zA-Z0-9_.])?)tclug" > procmail: Match on "(^((Original-)?(Resent-)?(To|Cc|Bcc)|(X-Envelope|Apparently(-Resent)?)-To):(.*[^-a-zA-Z0-9_.])?)php-general" > procmail: Locking "/home/john/mail/PHPGeneral.lock" > procmail: Assigning "LASTFOLDER=/home/john/mail/PHPGeneral" > procmail: Opening "/home/john/mail/PHPGeneral" > procmail: Acquiring kernel-lock > procmail: Unlocking "/home/john/mail/PHPGeneral.lock" > Subject: Re: [PHP] php, mysql, and wysiwyg. > Folder: /home/john/mail/PHPGeneral 2595 > procmail: Notified comsat: "john@81234:/home/john/mail/PHPGeneral" > procmail: No match on "(^((Original-)?(Resent-)?(To|Cc|Bcc)|(X-Envelope|Apparently(-Resent)?)-To):(.*[^-a-zA-Z0-9_.])?)tclug" > procmail: Match on "(^((Original-)?(Resent-)?(To|Cc|Bcc)|(X-Envelope|Apparently(-Resent)?)-To):(.*[^-a-zA-Z0-9_.])?)php-general" > procmail: Locking "/home/john/mail/PHPGeneral.lock" > procmail: Assigning "LASTFOLDER=/home/john/mail/PHPGeneral" > procmail: Opening "/home/john/mail/PHPGeneral" > procmail: Acquiring kernel-lock > procmail: Unlocking "/home/john/mail/PHPGeneral.lock" > Subject: Re: [PHP] XML via socket connection > Folder: /home/john/mail/PHPGeneral 2568 > procmail: Notified comsat: "john@83829:/home/john/mail/PHPGeneral" > procmail: No match on "(^((Original-)?(Resent-)?(To|Cc|Bcc)|(X-Envelope|Apparently(-Resent)?)-To):(.*[^-a-zA-Z0-9_.])?)tclug" > procmail: Match on "(^((Original-)?(Resent-)?(To|Cc|Bcc)|(X-Envelope|Apparently(-Resent)?)-To):(.*[^-a-zA-Z0-9_.])?)php-general" > procmail: Locking "/home/john/mail/PHPGeneral.lock" > procmail: Assigning "LASTFOLDER=/home/john/mail/PHPGeneral" > procmail: Opening "/home/john/mail/PHPGeneral" > procmail: Acquiring kernel-lock > procmail: Unlocking "/home/john/mail/PHPGeneral.lock" > Subject: Re: [PHP] header( ) > Folder: /home/john/mail/PHPGeneral 3020 > procmail: Notified comsat: "john@86397:/home/john/mail/PHPGeneral" > procmail: No match on "(^((Original-)?(Resent-)?(To|Cc|Bcc)|(X-Envelope|Apparently(-Resent)?)-To):(.*[^-a-zA-Z0-9_.])?)tclug" > procmail: Match on "(^((Original-)?(Resent-)?(To|Cc|Bcc)|(X-Envelope|Apparently(-Resent)?)-To):(.*[^-a-zA-Z0-9_.])?)php-general" > procmail: Locking "/home/john/mail/PHPGeneral.lock" > procmail: Assigning "LASTFOLDER=/home/john/mail/PHPGeneral" > procmail: Opening "/home/john/mail/PHPGeneral" > procmail: Acquiring kernel-lock > procmail: Unlocking "/home/john/mail/PHPGeneral.lock" > Subject: Re: [PHP] HTML and PHP? > Folder: /home/john/mail/PHPGeneral 2881 > procmail: Notified comsat: "john@89417:/home/john/mail/PHPGeneral" > > Thanks > John Miller > > --__--__-- > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 07:46:10 -0700 > From: AAAunderground > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Re: kernel > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > >And what might that hack be? Why did you do it? > Because it was a possibility. > > >make mrproper (to clear out all those old bad > >compiles) > >make menuconfig (to do as much damage as you can) > >make dep (it says so right when you are done with > >menuconfig) > >make bzImage (the boot kernel, you can find it under > >../arch//bzImage you have to copy it to > >/boot/vmlinuz. and configure lilo > >make modules (to create all the modules) > >make modules_install (to install the modules) > > Well seeing as how the kernel has yet to boot I will attempt to do it in > another sequence. I did not do mrproper (I will next). I did the bzImage > after make modules (I spaced it) and I forgot the uderscore for make > modules install (it still processed info). I did do all of this as su, > however. > > So I suppose I will continue to hack away at the kernel and my laptop > and the coffee table and the sofa and the ........ > > -Spencer Underground > > --__--__-- > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 08:49:35 -0500 (CDT) > From: > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Pine/fetchmail/procmail (fwd) > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > I have changed my fetchmail to look like > > mda formail -s procmail > > > > and fetchmail returns a parsing error 2 > > My mistake. I should've said: > > mda "formail -s procmail" > > It might also be worth trying: > > mda "procmail -d %T" > > which puts procmail explicitly into "mail delivery" mode. > Hmmm....actually, that might be it! > > > You had suggested that I post some of my log, here it is. > > Which makes it clear that fetchmail is not the cause of the problem. So > it must be procmail (or how procmail is invoked) or pine. If neither of > the above suggestions do the job, try opening up one of the mailboxes, > e.g. /home/john/mail/PHPGeneral, using vi and type '/^From ' to look for > occurrences of 'From' at the start of each mail. Just to check that > procmail isn't escaping them. > > M > -- > > --__--__-- > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 14:03:00 -0500 > From: Ben Lutgens > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Pine/fetchmail/procmail (fwd) > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > --vtzGhvizbBRQ85DL > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Disposition: inline > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > On Sat, Apr 14, 2001 at 08:49:35AM -0500, andy@theasis.com wrote: > > > >It might also be worth trying: > > > > mda "procmail -d %T" > > Here's what my .fetchmailrc looks like > poll mail.isp.com with proto imap: > user "idiotben" there has password "gotroot" is blutgens here and wants = > mda "/usr/bin/procmail -d %T" > > > >Which makes it clear that fetchmail is not the cause of the problem. So > >it must be procmail (or how procmail is invoked) or pine. If neither of > >the above suggestions do the job, try opening up one of the mailboxes, > >e.g. /home/john/mail/PHPGeneral, using vi and type '/^From ' to look for > >occurrences of 'From' at the start of each mail. Just to check that > >procmail isn't escaping them. > > Procmail has a verbose / debug mode you can make a copy of an mbox file and > continuously test it. > > > > >M > >--=20 > > > >_______________________________________________ > >tclug-list mailing list > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > --vtzGhvizbBRQ85DL > Content-Type: application/pgp-signature > Content-Disposition: inline > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iD8DBQE62J7kLxkxGgLdGQgRArkUAJ4/coXrwYW1Vt7SWBILaxMOkE552QCfbMGf > oBEQTmbsUST5Ls81SkPLjcg= > =VbZm > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > --vtzGhvizbBRQ85DL-- > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > End of tclug-list Digest From m_nassar at yahoo.com Sat Apr 14 22:24:06 2001 From: m_nassar at yahoo.com (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tcpd.h/tcp-wrappers Message-ID: <20010415032406.89953.qmail@web10104.mail.yahoo.com> i am trying to compite ypserv, and it asks me fot tcpd.h, i understand it is part of the tcp-wrappers family, but i do not seem to have that file do you know where is can download it... i am doing this on a bare (no more than the base install) debian system -munir ===== -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GAT GIT dpu- s:- a19 C++ UL P+ L+(++) E--- W+ N+ w(--) K? O-- M- V- PS+ PE-(--) Y-- PGP-(---) t 5+++ X R tv-- b+++ D++ DI++ G e+ h+() r- y+ UF++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From florin at iucha.net Sun Apr 15 02:21:20 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tcpd.h/tcp-wrappers In-Reply-To: <20010415032406.89953.qmail@web10104.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 14 Apr 2001, Munir Nassar wrote: > i am trying to compite ypserv, and it asks me fot > tcpd.h, i understand it is part of the tcp-wrappers > family, but i do not seem to have that file > > do you know where is can download it... i am doing > this on a bare (no more than the base install) debian > system I dunno about debian but on redhat most packages are split into package proper and devel package: for instance tcp_wrappers and tcp_wrappers-devel. You might need to look for tcp_wrappers-devel or something. florin From esper at sherohman.org Sun Apr 15 02:32:18 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tcpd.h/tcp-wrappers In-Reply-To: ; from florin@iucha.net on Sun, Apr 15, 2001 at 02:21:20AM -0500 References: <20010415032406.89953.qmail@web10104.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20010415023218.B12685@sherohman.org> On Sun, Apr 15, 2001 at 02:21:20AM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Sat, 14 Apr 2001, Munir Nassar wrote: > > i am trying to compite ypserv, and it asks me fot > > tcpd.h, i understand it is part of the tcp-wrappers > > family, but i do not seem to have that file > > > > do you know where is can download it... i am doing > > this on a bare (no more than the base install) debian > > system > > I dunno about debian but on redhat most packages are split into package > proper and devel package: for instance tcp_wrappers and > tcp_wrappers-devel. > > You might need to look for tcp_wrappers-devel or something. Debian uses -dev as the suffix for development packages, however, there doesn't seem to be a tcpd-dev package. Have you installed the tcpd source package? -- That's not gibberish... It's Linux. - Byers, The Lone Gunmen Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From jasonj at innominatus.com Sun Apr 15 02:35:25 2001 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tcpd.h/tcp-wrappers References: <20010415032406.89953.qmail@web10104.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3AD94F3D.A0394FA1@innominatus.com> If you want to find out what debian package provides a specific file then do a content search from debian's website at http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages The results of the search say you should install libwrap0-dev apt-get install libwrap0-dev But if you want to run an NIS (YP) server, then just: apt-get install nis Munir Nassar wrote: > i am trying to compite ypserv, and it asks me fot > tcpd.h, i understand it is part of the tcp-wrappers > family, but i do not seem to have that file > > do you know where is can download it... i am doing > this on a bare (no more than the base install) debian > system > > -munir > > ===== > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > Version: 3.12 > GAT GIT dpu- s:- a19 C++ UL P+ L+(++) E--- W+ N+ w(--) K? O-- M- V- PS+ PE-(--) Y-- PGP-(---) t 5+++ X R tv-- b+++ D++ DI++ G e+ h+() r- y+ UF++ > ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Sun Apr 15 11:37:20 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] woody install In-Reply-To: <200104150032.f3F0W7t29420@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 14 Apr 2001, Jay W. Anderson wrote: > On 14 Apr 01, at 16:17, Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > > > On Sat, 14 Apr 2001, Jay W. Anderson wrote: > > > > > I'm trying to do my 1st debian install as a network install of woody. > > > What debian server are you using? > http.us.debian.org > Have you pinged *that*? > I've surfed it! Um, I'm not saying you haven't, but there is a difference between http.us.debian.org and www.debian.org. But, more importantly, I have had times when http.us.debian.org has been like a stuck pig, but ftp.us.debian.org (usually ftp://ftp.us.debian.org) has worked. > > Are you choosing ftp install, or what? > The only options on this installer are cdrom, network, already > mounted & nfs. The help/readme says that the only network protocol > currently supported is http. This is a different setup program than > what I remember when I tried to install potato a while ago. It now > claims that woody is the stable release. The disc images have a > creation date of 4/1302001 ~23:00. That's weird. I've seen nothing that says woody's stable. www.debian.org says (still) that the latest release is 2.2r2 (potato) released 5-Dec-2000. Since you apparently have the bandwith to do net install, could you either do it in pieces or by ISO? Or you could go get the potato installer, install that, then upgrade to woody. Not quicker, I know. -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From jwanderson at uswest.net Sun Apr 15 14:52:29 2001 From: jwanderson at uswest.net (Jay W. Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] woody install In-Reply-To: References: <200104150032.f3F0W7t29420@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <200104151952.f3FJqUt13144@sprite.real-time.com> On 15 Apr 01, at 11:37, Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > On Sat, 14 Apr 2001, Jay W. Anderson wrote: > > > On 14 Apr 01, at 16:17, Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > > > > > On Sat, 14 Apr 2001, Jay W. Anderson wrote: > > > > > > > I'm trying to do my 1st debian install as a network install of woody. > > > > > > Are you choosing ftp install, or what? > > The only options on this installer are cdrom, network, already > > mounted & nfs. The help/readme says that the only network protocol > > currently supported is http. This is a different setup program than > > what I remember when I tried to install potato a while ago. It now > > claims that woody is the stable release. The disc images have a > > creation date of 4/1302001 ~23:00. > > That's weird. I've seen nothing that says woody's stable. www.debian.org > says (still) that the latest release is 2.2r2 (potato) released > 5-Dec-2000. > Thats what I thought as well, that it was weird. All of the documentation that I've seen has said that potato is stable, but in this installer it says that woody is stable and potato is archived, no longer supported. It could be that I've stumbled upon advance notice of woody going stable, like when RH didn't put deny all on the 7.1 dir last week. I did forward my emails to the debootstrap maintainer. Maybe he will reply as to what the deal is. > Since you apparently have the bandwith to do net install, could you > either do it in pieces or by ISO? Or you could go get the potato > installer, install that, then upgrade to woody. Not quicker, I know. I may have to. (potato->woody) but I thought I'd check to see if I was missing something silly or if someone else had seen this and knew what was going on. Jay From silwenae at silwenae.com Sun Apr 15 17:53:15 2001 From: silwenae at silwenae.com (Silwenae) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH7 resolve.conf Message-ID: <006d01c0c5fe$db393b60$6501a8c0@win2kPAUL> I just installed RH7 on one of my boxes, and my nameservers aren't working. My resolve.conf file is: search.mn.rr.com nameserver 24.26.163.33 nameserver 24.26.163.32 nameserver 24.94.163.33 I can browse the web and ping by IP#, but not by name. Looking at my debian box, the resolve.conf is identical, except for: search.mn.rr.com\000 These were both automatically put in during install, I didn't do anything. My debian box has no issues. I'm on Timewarner Roadrunner behind a Linksys router, and RH 6.2 used to work just fine, and my debian and windoze boxes don't have any issues. Anyone help? Thanks, Paul -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010415/7409666e/attachment.htm From jpschewe at mtu.net Sun Apr 15 18:17:16 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH7 resolve.conf In-Reply-To: "Silwenae"'s message of "Sun, 15 Apr 2001 17:53:15 -0500" References: <006d01c0c5fe$db393b60$6501a8c0@win2kPAUL> Message-ID: Not sure how this would cause it, but there should be a space between search and mn, not a period. Otherwise those look like the right IP's. "Silwenae" writes: > I just installed RH7 on one of my boxes, and my nameservers aren't working. > >   > > My resolve.conf file is: > >   > > search.mn.rr.com > > nameserver 24.26.163.33 > > nameserver 24.26.163.32 > > nameserver 24.94.163.33 > >   > > I can browse the web and ping by IP#, but not by name. > >   > > Looking at my debian box, the resolve.conf is identical, except for: > >   > > search.mn.rr.com\000 > >   > > These were both automatically put in during install, I didn't do anything.  My debian box has > no issues.  I'm on Timewarner Roadrunner behind a Linksys router, and RH 6.2 used to work just > fine, and my debian and windoze boxes don't have any issues. > >   > > Anyone help? > >   > > Thanks, > > Paul -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From andy at theasis.com Sun Apr 15 18:19:32 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH7 resolve.conf In-Reply-To: <006d01c0c5fe$db393b60$6501a8c0@win2kPAUL> Message-ID: > > My resolve.conf file is: > > search.mn.rr.com Should be search mn.rr.com > search.mn.rr.com\000 That shouldn't work either. > Anyone help? > > Thanks, Andy > Paul > From kbullock at ringworld.org Sun Apr 15 23:16:12 2001 From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin R. Bullock) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] woody install In-Reply-To: <200104151952.f3FJqUt13144@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 15 Apr 2001, Jay W. Anderson wrote: > I may have to. (potato->woody) but I thought I'd check to see if I > was missing something silly or if someone else had seen this and knew > what was going on. Potato is stable. Woody isn't even frozen yet. They're looking at releasing it around august. They just started finalizing the install set for it, so it probably fairly unstable still. If I were you, I would start with potato and do a dist-upgrade. I had relatively good results from doing this. You can expect a thing or two to break, but these will be minor and easy to fix. Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa Kevin R. Bullock From gswan at visi.com Sun Apr 15 23:59:10 2001 From: gswan at visi.com (George Swan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Upgrading CPU on Shuttle HOT 661/P (661v11) Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20010414223552.00b027d0@pop.visi.com> Does anyone have any thoughts on the worthwhileness of upgrading cpu on Shuttle HOT 661/P mainboard from 400MHz to 600MHz? (661/P is about 2 years old -- no longer in production) I guess the big question is: Is it going to go unstable on me if I try to put 600 on it? Is it worth the risk? If it isn't risky, is it worth the money, ie, will I get the performance I'm looking for? General Nanosystems said it wouldn't be wise to go above 600MHz if the version was below 3.2 (32?) So, I'm at 400MHz now. The version number on the board looks like "661v11" bought it in November of '98 The "inspiration" for this is that I've got Forte for Java (Linux) installed ... but it sure is sluggish! (As an example of another large application, the Oracle8i works just fine.) Oddly enough, I've got RedHat 6.0 installed with the JDK and JRE upgraded to 1.3 and yet Forte still loads alright... it's just sluggish. Any suggestions, thoughts, comments? (It's the predictable story; I'd get a new machine, but I ain't got the bucks.) gs From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Mon Apr 16 07:36:03 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] woody install In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 15 Apr 2001, Kevin R. Bullock wrote: > Potato is stable. Woody isn't even frozen yet. They're looking at > releasing it around august. Thanks -- I was afraid I was either crazy or out of date. > They just started finalizing the install set > for it, so it probably fairly unstable still. If I were you, I would start > with potato and do a dist-upgrade. I had relatively good results from > doing this. You can expect a thing or two to break, but these will be > minor and easy to fix. How 'bout XFree 4? I had it upgrade itself in the midst of some other upgrades to potato (not a dist-upgrade) and it broke good, so I ended up ditching something and going back to 3.whatever in potato. Is this smoother if you do the whole nine yards in one shot -- a "clean upgrade?" -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From fertch at mninter.net Mon Apr 16 07:44:18 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What's this file? Message-ID: <3ADAE922.E617CB6E@mninter.net> Was doing some digging around on my systems over the weekend, and I ran into this file on my intended DNS/Print/DHCP server in the /tmp directory: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1828655 Mar18 20:49 tiger.out Anyone have any idea on this thing? Is it related to the Lion or other worms? I did a search against the name on www.google.com/linux and came back with the following: http://eastwood.apana.org.au/Linux/Slackware71/live/usr/lib/apsfilter/SETUP but the page comes back and blank and not existing on the server. My guess is that it has something to do with printing, but I'd like to be certain of this in case it is a security violation. The date on the file is about the same time as my getting hit with an "unsupported protocol call 0cx..." on my telnet session to my gateway. Shawn From ben at nerp.net Mon Apr 16 07:41:52 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] woody install In-Reply-To: Message-ID: one minor note on debian versioning.. there are now 3 (well.. 4?) versions in the stack.. where there used to be only 2 (3 if you count frozen) potato: stable, all packages are in matinence mode only woody: testing, stable _packages_ are moved to testing from unstable. this is a new idea, instead of making releases go from unstable to stable, move package individualy as they are deemed stable. sid: unstable, it's unstable, anything can happen :) Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > On Sun, 15 Apr 2001, Kevin R. Bullock wrote: > > > Potato is stable. Woody isn't even frozen yet. They're looking at > > releasing it around august. > > Thanks -- I was afraid I was either crazy or out of date. > > > They just started finalizing the install set > > for it, so it probably fairly unstable still. If I were you, I would start > > with potato and do a dist-upgrade. I had relatively good results from > > doing this. You can expect a thing or two to break, but these will be > > minor and easy to fix. > > How 'bout XFree 4? I had it upgrade itself in the midst of some other > upgrades to potato (not a dist-upgrade) and it broke good, so I ended up > ditching something and going back to 3.whatever in potato. Is this > smoother if you do the whole nine yards in one shot -- a "clean upgrade?" > > -- > "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From clay at fandre.com Mon Apr 16 07:43:47 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What's this file? References: <3ADAE922.E617CB6E@mninter.net> Message-ID: <3ADAE902.57DE719B@fandre.com> Shawn wrote: > > Was doing some digging around on my systems over the weekend, and I ran > into this file on my intended DNS/Print/DHCP server in the /tmp > directory: > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1828655 Mar18 20:49 tiger.out > > Anyone have any idea on this thing? Is it related to the Lion or other > worms? I did a search against the name on www.google.com/linux and came > back with the following: It might be output from tiger, which is a security auditing program. What does the file contain? From florin at iucha.net Mon Apr 16 07:46:12 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Upgrading CPU on Shuttle HOT 661/P (661v11) In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20010414223552.00b027d0@pop.visi.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 15 Apr 2001, George Swan wrote: > The "inspiration" for this is that I've got Forte for Java (Linux) > installed ... but it sure is sluggish! > (As an example of another large application, the Oracle8i works just > fine.) Oddly enough, I've got RedHat 6.0 installed with the JDK and JRE > upgraded to 1.3 and yet Forte still loads alright... it's just sluggish. Oracle is written in C, Forte and Netbeans in Java. I _NEED_ a good Java IDE but all of them are written in Java. And sloww. On any machine I've tried - K6-III/500MHz, PIII/700MHz (at home, both with 256MB RAM), a big 4 proc Sun at the office. Sun is the next Microsoft in this respect. No matter how fast your processor is, Java will be slooooooowwww... florin From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Mon Apr 16 07:49:45 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT - newsreader In-Reply-To: <3ADAE902.57DE719B@fandre.com> Message-ID: Any one use tin? I'm not a usenet news expert, but there are a couple of groups I read regularly. Trouble is, one group (sci.math) that I read on the U newsserver goes on for something on the order of 5 to 10 minutes with "bad overview record" errors before it displays (using tin). I've tried marking it as read, but that didn't clean things up. Any suggestions? Thanks, Phil M -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com Mon Apr 16 07:53:12 2001 From: JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com (Miller, John) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Thanks Message-ID: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940F826E@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> Just a quick note of thanks to Andy, Marty, and Ben for their help with my e-mail. After implementing the changes and clearing out the mailboxes, everything is running as it should. Thank you John Miller Dain Rauscher Inc. Application Services IS Capital Markets Phone 612-547-7573 Fax 612-547-7580 mailto:jmiller2@dainrauscher.com From fertch at mninter.net Mon Apr 16 08:56:55 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What's this file? References: <3ADAE922.E617CB6E@mninter.net> <3ADAE902.57DE719B@fandre.com> Message-ID: <3ADAFA27.FA1CDDF@mninter.net> Clay Fandre wrote: > > It might be output from tiger, which is a security auditing program. > What does the file contain? > ________________________________ It's all in unreadable binary. It's on a Slack 7.1 box running the 2.2.16 kernel. From clay at fandre.com Mon Apr 16 09:05:21 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What's this file? References: <3ADAE922.E617CB6E@mninter.net> <3ADAE902.57DE719B@fandre.com> <3ADAFA27.FA1CDDF@mninter.net> Message-ID: <3ADAFC21.F65DC7A@fandre.com> Shawn wrote: > > Clay Fandre wrote: > > > > > It might be output from tiger, which is a security auditing program. > > What does the file contain? > > ________________________________ > > It's all in unreadable binary. It's on a Slack 7.1 box running the > 2.2.16 kernel. > _______________________________________________ Do a strings on it. strings tiger.out | more From fertch at mninter.net Mon Apr 16 09:17:50 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What's this file? References: <3ADAE922.E617CB6E@mninter.net> <3ADAE902.57DE719B@fandre.com> <3ADAFA27.FA1CDDF@mninter.net> <3ADAFC21.F65DC7A@fandre.com> Message-ID: <3ADAFF0E.EB09F624@mninter.net> Clay Fandre wrote: > > Shawn wrote: > > > > Clay Fandre wrote: > > > > > > > > It might be output from tiger, which is a security auditing program. > > > What does the file contain? > > > ________________________________ > > > > It's all in unreadable binary. It's on a Slack 7.1 box running the > > 2.2.16 kernel. > > _______________________________________________ > > Do a strings on it. > > strings tiger.out | more > ________________________________________ Will have to do so when I get home tonight. Will report later on it. Thanks Clay. Shawn From veldy at veldy.net Mon Apr 16 09:13:39 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT - newsreader References: Message-ID: <006801c0c67f$6f7c3090$3028680a@tgt.com> Get a better news server? Get the $7.95 account from Giganews. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Mendelsohn" To: Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 7:49 AM Subject: [TCLUG] OT - newsreader > Any one use tin? I'm not a usenet news expert, but there are a couple of > groups I read regularly. Trouble is, one group (sci.math) that I read on > the U newsserver goes on for something on the order of 5 to 10 minutes > with "bad overview record" errors before it displays (using tin). > > I've tried marking it as read, but that didn't clean things up. Any > suggestions? > > Thanks, > Phil M > > -- > "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jethro at yaron.org Mon Apr 16 09:30:36 2001 From: jethro at yaron.org (jethro@yaron.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What's this file? In-Reply-To: <3ADAE922.E617CB6E@mninter.net> References: <3ADAE922.E617CB6E@mninter.net> Message-ID: <987431436.3adb020c6616d@dragon> Quoting Shawn : > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1828655 Mar18 20:49 tiger.out Ok, now I'm kinda scared (: I've found this file on my firewall, /etc/sysconfig I've always ignored it since "tiger" is the name of my machine! I'm going to have to clean house tonight... This box is Red Hat of some pre-7 version. -Yaron -- From natecars at real-time.com Mon Apr 16 09:38:54 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Conference In-Reply-To: <01041317133801.01798@numidea.thuria.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 13 Apr 2001, Dave Sherman wrote: > Just one request for the Real-Timers: When will your presentations be > online? I need to get a summary to my boss, and I stopped taking notes > when I heard that the presentations would be available on the website :-p I'm working on this with Rick today. :) Was supposed to happen Friday, but you know how that goes.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From dcsherman at qwest.net Mon Apr 16 09:45:02 2001 From: dcsherman at qwest.net (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Conference In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01041609450200.01631@dedannshae.ssbs.com> I do indeed. Thanks for the update. Dave On Monday 16 April 2001 09:38, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Fri, 13 Apr 2001, Dave Sherman wrote: > > Just one request for the Real-Timers: When will your presentations > > be online? I need to get a summary to my boss, and I stopped taking > > notes when I heard that the presentations would be available on the > > website :-p > > I'm working on this with Rick today. :) > > Was supposed to happen Friday, but you know how that goes.. -- Registered Linux User #197840 "Quid quid latine dictum sit, altum viditur." From blayer at qwest.net Mon Apr 16 16:45:59 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fw: Re: Major problem with BestCrypt for Linux - Second request PLEASE HELP Message-ID: <20010416164559.3e3abef7.blayer@qwest.net> Well, I was right for once - BestCrypt *is* broken in 2.4.2, here is the reply from Jetico, just in case anyone else is interested. This solves the issue of All my Pr0n is Belong to BestCrypt (j/k) P.S. RUN BESTCRYPT! You someday may be happy you did... Begin forwarded message: Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 14:36:49 +0300 From: "Jetico, Inc." To: blayer@qwest.net Subject: Re: Major problem with BestCrypt for Linux - Second request PLEASE HELP Dear Bill, Thank you for using our product. BestCrypt does not work on 2.4.2 due to kernel bug. We have released new version of our software, which supports now 2.2.x, 2.3.0-2.3.36 and 2.4.3+. Please upgrade to BestCrypt v0.7-1 from www.jetico.com/linux Sincerely yours, Nail Kaipov > Hi, > > I have recently upgraded two of my Linux machines to Kernel 2.4.2. > Whenever I > try to mount or format a container, the console hangs and the operation > fails > (it never proceeds, more like). I first re-installed the older version > of > BestCrypt, then I upgraded and installed the latest (0.6) version. > Exact same issue exists with either version. > > I have read the FAQ, I have searched Google, I have asked on IRC and I > cannot > find anyone running BestCrypt 0.6 on kernel 2.4.2 to confirm or deny > this > apparent breakage. I have several other 3rd party modules loaded, > including > the vmware modules and the NVDriver (Nvidia TNT2 video) driver module. > Everything else on this system works fine as before, this is the only > issue > so far with this kernel upgrade. > > Is there a known issue? What might possibly be going wrong here? Please > help, > thanks in advance. > > PS - when working correctly, this is a fantastic piece of software. > > -- > > > -.bill.layer.- > > -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- > > -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- > > ================================================= Jetico, Inc. phone: +358-3-316 5215 = Hermiankatu 8 D fax: +358-3-316 5250 = FIN-33720, Tampere e-mail: info@jetico.com = Finland http://www.jetico.com = = "BestCrypt data encryption software for = Windows 95/98/NT/2000 and Linux" = = "BCWipe data erasing software for = Windows 95/98/NT/2000 and Linux" = = Latest versions, news, information = from: http://www.jetico.com = = ================================================= -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From natecars at real-time.com Mon Apr 16 10:24:28 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telocity DSL In-Reply-To: <3AD7309B.1E861655@fandre.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 13 Apr 2001, Clay Fandre wrote: > > Just got an e-mail notification; my router will be here on Monday. Cool. > > :) > > > > You lucky dog. I just talked to Telecoty yesterday and they said it > would be another 2-3 weeks for me. Doh! Router arrived, it's HUGE! The thing is like 13-14 inches wide, two inches tall, and 8-9 inches deep.. but, that's ok, as long as it gives me fast 'net speeds. :) I'll update you guys tonight once I actually install it.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From jethro at yaron.org Mon Apr 16 10:27:56 2001 From: jethro at yaron.org (jethro@yaron.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telocity DSL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <987434876.3adb0f7c35661@dragon> Hi, Quoting Nate Carlson : > I'll update you guys tonight once I actually install it.. You're going to wait till tonight? come on! HEre, take the rest of the day off. -Yaron -- From veldy at veldy.net Mon Apr 16 10:40:36 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telocity DSL References: Message-ID: <014101c0c68b$951a3390$3028680a@tgt.com> Geeze -- you must not be an enthusiast. You didn't take the day off of work? It is a holiday when you get a new DSL connection and a router to play with :) Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nate Carlson" To: Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Telocity DSL > On Fri, 13 Apr 2001, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > Just got an e-mail notification; my router will be here on Monday. Cool. > > > :) > > > > > > > You lucky dog. I just talked to Telecoty yesterday and they said it > > would be another 2-3 weeks for me. Doh! > > Router arrived, it's HUGE! The thing is like 13-14 inches wide, two inches > tall, and 8-9 inches deep.. but, that's ok, as long as it gives me fast > 'net speeds. :) > > I'll update you guys tonight once I actually install it.. > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From veldy at veldy.net Mon Apr 16 10:50:20 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mailman & sendmail? Message-ID: <016601c0c68c$f194b630$3028680a@tgt.com> Is the tclug-list@mn-linux.org list using sendmail still? I noticed that mails are being sent to the list in nearly real-time now. Is this because of the changes mad to the sendmail configuration or is it using postfix now :) ? Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net From ben at nerp.net Mon Apr 16 10:56:43 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mailman & sendmail? In-Reply-To: <016601c0c68c$f194b630$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- someone said it.. i forget who.. maybe amy.. that there was a configuration problem with the mailserver that was stalling all email because of MX record problems. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > Is the tclug-list@mn-linux.org list using sendmail still? I noticed that > mails are being sent to the list in nearly real-time now. Is this because > of the changes mad to the sendmail configuration or is it using postfix now > :) ? > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBOtsWQctpDhsSpvgtAQHFEAP/fAJNVC+JYAa0BxgtodGPMUQdJ8u1jshW deZd0CRsfIa6QdPR6yuilLpO3wEv1T5Z2Kq2uZCMNX06Ihv51YE+4X2z0fu60Mkq JuwG6rZDBAzhiU7rAtYTYudm5winmkn5+nvIw26xefn3zNI+KzFM07aOsvRlFEa+ 0objLxPfn5E= =bEZr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From KNEWTSON at prodigy.net Mon Apr 16 10:58:33 2001 From: KNEWTSON at prodigy.net (Stephen B Knewtson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest? Message-ID: <000c01c0c68e$17d27ca0$b34cffd1@e8fse> When is the next installfest going to be? Steve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The thing is like 13-14 inches wide, two inches > tall, and 8-9 inches deep.. but, that's ok, as long as it gives me fast > 'net speeds. :) > > I'll update you guys tonight once I actually install it.. > I've been banging my head now for over 2 weeks since my DSL was disconnected, so please send any future messages about high-speed internet access to /dev/null until I my head heals. From clay at fandre.com Mon Apr 16 11:02:30 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest? References: <000c01c0c68e$17d27ca0$b34cffd1@e8fse> Message-ID: <3ADB1796.3C6E5C23@fandre.com> > Stephen B Knewtson wrote: > > When is the next installfest going to be? > > Steve When do you want it to be? You know there was just one on Thursday? From veldy at veldy.net Mon Apr 16 11:03:09 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mailman & sendmail? References: Message-ID: <01bb01c0c68e$bb683bc0$3028680a@tgt.com> It is working fine now -- I was just curious if they finally went with postfix :) Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Kochie" > > someone said it.. i forget who.. maybe amy.. that there was a > configuration problem with the mailserver that was stalling all email > because of MX record problems. > > Thank You, > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > From clay at fandre.com Mon Apr 16 11:03:40 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mailman & sendmail? References: <016601c0c68c$f194b630$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <3ADB17DC.D3AF6581@fandre.com> "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > > Is the tclug-list@mn-linux.org list using sendmail still? I noticed that > mails are being sent to the list in nearly real-time now. Is this because > of the changes mad to the sendmail configuration or is it using postfix now > :) ? > I believe Bob added a few config options to sendmail. From veldy at veldy.net Mon Apr 16 11:04:17 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telocity DSL References: <3ADB1730.28B774FE@fandre.com> Message-ID: <01c201c0c68e$e40e6c20$3028680a@tgt.com> Just start hitting your head on /dev/null. You shouldn't feel much pain at all. Should be effective -- theoretically at least. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clay Fandre" To: Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 11:00 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Telocity DSL > Nate Carlson wrote: > > > > On Fri, 13 Apr 2001, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > > Just got an e-mail notification; my router will be here on Monday. Cool. > > > > :) > > > > > > > > > > You lucky dog. I just talked to Telecoty yesterday and they said it > > > would be another 2-3 weeks for me. Doh! > > > > Router arrived, it's HUGE! The thing is like 13-14 inches wide, two inches > > tall, and 8-9 inches deep.. but, that's ok, as long as it gives me fast > > 'net speeds. :) > > > > I'll update you guys tonight once I actually install it.. > > > > I've been banging my head now for over 2 weeks since my DSL was > disconnected, so please send any future messages about high-speed > internet access to /dev/null until I my head heals. > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From blutgens at minime Mon Apr 16 11:15:57 2001 From: blutgens at minime (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest? In-Reply-To: <000c01c0c68e$17d27ca0$b34cffd1@e8fse>; from KNEWTSON@prodigy.net on Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 10:58:33AM -0500 References: <000c01c0c68e$17d27ca0$b34cffd1@e8fse> Message-ID: <20010416111556.A1674@minime> On Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 10:58:33AM -0500, Stephen B Knewtson wrote: > > When is the next installfest going to be? I vow to make it a captial offense to post html mail to this list. Violators should be banned. > > > > Steve -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010416/e63e4c70/attachment.pgp From natecars at real-time.com Mon Apr 16 11:17:30 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telocity DSL In-Reply-To: <014101c0c68b$951a3390$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > Geeze -- you must not be an enthusiast. You didn't take the day off of > work? It is a holiday when you get a new DSL connection and a router to > play with :) Not when Bob's out of town so I get to fix any problems. :( -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From clay at fandre.com Mon Apr 16 11:20:42 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mailman & sendmail? References: <016601c0c68c$f194b630$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <3ADB1BDA.7B9F3FA7@fandre.com> "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > > Is the tclug-list@mn-linux.org list using sendmail still? I noticed that > mails are being sent to the list in nearly real-time now. Is this because > of the changes mad to the sendmail configuration or is it using postfix now > :) ? > FYI: http://archives2.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2001-April/009435.html From clay at fandre.com Mon Apr 16 11:25:05 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH 7.1 released Message-ID: <3ADB1CE1.F77DC288@fandre.com> Anyone download RH 7.1 yet? From goldman at htc.honeywell.com Mon Apr 16 10:30:31 2001 From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backing up to CD-R Message-ID: <15067.4119.928232.983794@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> My tape drive crapped out :-< so.... I was wondering --- do any of you have a solution to backing up to CD-Rs? I have a fairly slowly-changing home directory at home (well, except for digital photos, which I can back up separately), so I'd like to have something that's able to do incremental backing up (although CDs are getting so cheap). CDs should be mostly OK for all the text files, etc. I tried burning tars onto multi-session CD-Rs with listed-incremental, but am not sure how to avoid name collisions with the list files. Thanks, R From clay at fandre.com Mon Apr 16 11:27:19 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH 7.1 released References: <3ADB1CE1.F77DC288@fandre.com> Message-ID: <3ADB1D67.3A57F5F8@fandre.com> Clay Fandre wrote: > > Anyone download RH 7.1 yet? FYI: ftp://ftp.redhat.com/redhat/linux/7.1/en/os/i386 ftp://download.sourceforge.net/pub/mirrors/redhat/redhat/linux/7.1/en/os/i386 Nate, the real-time mirror synced up yet? From dutchman at uswest.net Mon Apr 16 11:29:34 2001 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH 7.1 released References: <3ADB1CE1.F77DC288@fandre.com> Message-ID: <3ADB1DEE.15D2AB75@mn.uswest.net> Waiting for the ftp.mn-linux.org mirror. Clay Fandre wrote: > Anyone download RH 7.1 yet? > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com From natecars at real-time.com Mon Apr 16 11:38:59 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH 7.1 released In-Reply-To: <3ADB1D67.3A57F5F8@fandre.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > > Anyone download RH 7.1 yet? > > FYI: > ftp://ftp.redhat.com/redhat/linux/7.1/en/os/i386 > > ftp://download.sourceforge.net/pub/mirrors/redhat/redhat/linux/7.1/en/os/i386 > > Nate, the real-time mirror synced up yet? Yeah, but Bob hasn't told me if I can open it up for sure or not yet. Anyone on the RH Mirrors list? :( -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From jethro at yaron.org Mon Apr 16 11:48:58 2001 From: jethro at yaron.org (jethro@yaron.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telocity DSL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <987439738.3adb227a781ab@dragon> Hi, Quoting Nate Carlson : > Not when Bob's out of town so I get to fix any problems. :( Want me to switch IP blocks so you can have something to fix? (: -Yaron -- From natecars at real-time.com Mon Apr 16 11:48:59 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco IPIP tunneling <-> Linux? Message-ID: Anyone done IPIP tunneling between a Cisco router and Linux (using the IP_GRE module looks like the best..) Thinking about giving myself a /29 for at home (routed via IPIP to my Telocity link, once I get it up).. wondering if any of you have practical advice before I start. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Mon Apr 16 11:57:15 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco IPIP tunneling <-> Linux? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > Anyone done IPIP tunneling between a Cisco router and Linux (using the > IP_GRE module looks like the best..) > > Thinking about giving myself a /29 for at home (routed via IPIP to my > Telocity link, once I get it up).. wondering if any of you have practical > advice before I start. :) Found some docs on the 'net about this: cisco# conf t cisco(config)# int tunnel0 cisco(config-if)# ip address 192.168.0.1 255.255.255.0 cisco(config-if)# tunnel mode gre ip cisco(config-if)# tunnel source Ethernet0/0/0 cisco(config-if)# tunnel destination 192.168.1.1 cisco(config-if)# ^Z test# modprobe ip_gre test# ip tunnel add tunnel0 mode gre remote 192.168.1.240 local 192.168.1.1 test# ifconfig tunnel0 192.168.0.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 ...looks like fun. :) can't wait until my telocity link is up to play with it.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Mon Apr 16 11:23:37 2001 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John Joseph Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backing up to CD-R In-Reply-To: <15067.4119.928232.983794@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com>; from goldman@htc.honeywell.com on Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 10:30:31AM -0500 References: <15067.4119.928232.983794@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> Message-ID: <20010416112337.A30696@mn.rr.com> On Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 10:30:31AM -0500, Robert P. Goldman wrote: > > My tape drive crapped out :-< so.... > > I was wondering --- do any of you have a solution to backing up to > CD-Rs? How about backing up to CD-RW's? -- [W]hen the manager knows his boss will accept status reports without panic or preeemption, he comes to give honest appraisals. - F. Brooks, _The Mythical Man-Month_ From nate at nerp.net Mon Apr 16 12:01:54 2001 From: nate at nerp.net (Nate Sanders) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian on Sparc Message-ID: <3ADB2581.FFE62C53@nerp.net> How does Debian work on a SS20? I have yet to see someone running it on a sparc. How well does it run? I would be using this as a workstation mainly. Just need X, Sound, and BitchX :-] Anything I should go look into for more info about installing it? -- Nate Sanders nate@chef.nerp.net http://www.damnation.net IRC: darkskull@NEWNET From jethro at yaron.org Mon Apr 16 12:05:07 2001 From: jethro at yaron.org (jethro@yaron.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco IPIP tunneling <-> Linux? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <987440707.3adb26433d4fa@dragon> Hi, Quoting Nate Carlson : > Found some docs on the 'net about this: > > cisco# conf t Yeesh! Telocity gave you a REAL router??? -Yaron -- From drake at lemongecko.org Mon Apr 16 11:20:01 2001 From: drake at lemongecko.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] XFree4 & woody (was: woody install) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > How 'bout XFree 4? I had it upgrade itself in the midst of some other > upgrades to potato (not a dist-upgrade) and it broke good, so I ended up > ditching something and going back to 3.whatever in potato. Is this > smoother if you do the whole nine yards in one shot -- a "clean upgrade?" The same thing happened to me, doing a dist-upgrade to woody. I think I had to manually remove the 3.3.x packages and put in the 4.0 packages. It works fine now, though. You just have to futz around with things and XFree4 will work fine with woody. Dunno about how a clean upgrade would do that, though. Dan -- /*-------------------------------- Dan Drake http://lemongecko.org/drake/ --------pgp encouraged----------*/ From jethro at yaron.org Mon Apr 16 12:08:41 2001 From: jethro at yaron.org (jethro@yaron.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian on Sparc In-Reply-To: <3ADB2581.FFE62C53@nerp.net> References: <3ADB2581.FFE62C53@nerp.net> Message-ID: <987440921.3adb27199cf7f@dragon> Hi, Quoting Nate Sanders : > How does Debian work on a SS20? I have yet to see someone running it > on a sparc. How well does it run? I would be using this as a workstation > mainly. Just need X, Sound, and BitchX :-] I haven't run debian on a SPARC, but Linux is Linux, right? I ran Red Hat on SPARCs a bunch. It runs fine, and you can get X going pretty easily. Linux will run on-par with Solaris would on an SS20, but X _will_ be slow unless you've got like a ZX framebuffer in it. -Yaron -- From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Mon Apr 16 12:06:54 2001 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH 7.1 released Message-ID: It seems they opened at 9:07AM today. >>> natecars@real-time.com 04/16/01 11:38AM >>> On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > > Anyone download RH 7.1 yet? > > FYI: > ftp://ftp.redhat.com/redhat/linux/7.1/en/os/i386 > > ftp://download.sourceforge.net/pub/mirrors/redhat/redhat/linux/7.1/en/os/i386 > > Nate, the real-time mirror synced up yet? Yeah, but Bob hasn't told me if I can open it up for sure or not yet. Anyone on the RH Mirrors list? :( -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Andrew Anderson Subject: [Redhat Mirror] ADMIN: ALERT 7.1 about to go Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 10:04:55 -0400 (EDT) Size: 4127 Url: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010416/cb8f3784/attachment.mht From nate at nerp.net Mon Apr 16 12:14:39 2001 From: nate at nerp.net (Nate Sanders) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian on Sparc References: <3ADB2581.FFE62C53@nerp.net> <987440921.3adb27199cf7f@dragon> Message-ID: <3ADB287E.45A7331E@nerp.net> I have no frame buffer in there as of yet. So I have the option of picking what to use. This is going to be my work, workstation. So I need to be able to run NS, multi desktops, and a gazillion Eterms (E rocks!!) at once. Thats my biggest thing. It does have two 64mb chips for Ram. So that settles me alittle more. jethro@yaron.org wrote: > Hi, > > Quoting Nate Sanders : > > > How does Debian work on a SS20? I have yet to see someone running it > > on a sparc. How well does it run? I would be using this as a workstation > > mainly. Just need X, Sound, and BitchX :-] > > I haven't run debian on a SPARC, but Linux is Linux, right? I ran Red Hat on > SPARCs a bunch. > > It runs fine, and you can get X going pretty easily. Linux will run on-par with > Solaris would on an SS20, but X _will_ be slow unless you've got like a ZX > framebuffer in it. > > -Yaron > > -- > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Nate Sanders nate@chef.nerp.net http://www.damnation.net IRC: darkskull@NEWNET From mbutler2 at mmm.com Mon Apr 16 12:17:34 2001 From: mbutler2 at mmm.com (mbutler2@mmm.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Z Series and S/390 Message-ID: Hi all- I've seen a lot of threads in here pertaining to IBM and the Z series, and I was curious is anyone here aware of IBM's Multiprise series for 390 arch? These are actually small 390 arch boxes used (to great effect) for VM, MVS, and yes, Linux. IBM also produces a Linux specific engine (processor for you Intel folks), that they are REALLY trying to get out to market. IBM really wants to see their Linux initiative succeed, they would be very helpful (IMHO) to anyone looking to help them further their Linux platforms in the market. I'd suggest checking into one of these little puppies, to my recollection, they can be had for around 50K, they have internal disk (no directors, Escon or disk cabinets to buy), and will run VM, Linux, LPARs, MVS, and the VIF (Virtual Imaging Facility for Linux from IBM). I work where there are many frames, none of mine are "owned" by IBM, I have contracts for support, same as any other hardware from vendors, but IBM cannot tell me what to do with my hardware. They do, however, have a very nice program for trades, besides, the brokers for these things are always looking for more to sell, they'll find you an upgrade if IBM won't. I'd honestly suggest talking to IBM about it, I don't see a need for the head-first swan dive into a Z-Series refrigerator, but a nice MultiPrise 2000 or 3000 would fit the bill and handle your ideas quite nicely. The Multis also come with a Gen6 (ZSeries) engine, or (Ibelieve) you can buy them with the Linux Specific engines only and save some money. Your other advantage here is that you get IEEE FPU on these chips, the Gen4s and previous did not have this and the SuSE distro emulates it, this slows the box down somewhat,. I think you've got a good basis for some relationship with IBM here, you've got enthusiasm and Linux know how, if you think IBM is brimming over with Linux geniuses, you'd be wrong, they have their share, but at the 390 presentations I've seen (all 3 of them), they have the mainframe know-how, and they can get it running, but then they are somewhat lost, they didn't even know what the LRP (Lin Router Project) was, they were going over how to route out of the 390 with a CMS router VM (they weren't even too sure about that). It seems that a lot of mainframers are seeing this as a good way to breathe new life into their favorite OS and hardware and a lot of Linux people are viewing this as a good move to one really wicked platform. The only gap here, and it is big at some points, is the need for knowledge from both sides of the table. IBM is trying to make that less of an issue with their VIF, but it's still daunting to many Linux people. I encourage any steps you take towards this and will look forward to what sort of decisions might be made. Thanks for you time, MButler From jethro at yaron.org Mon Apr 16 12:27:48 2001 From: jethro at yaron.org (jethro@yaron.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian on Sparc In-Reply-To: <3ADB287E.45A7331E@nerp.net> References: <3ADB2581.FFE62C53@nerp.net> <987440921.3adb27199cf7f@dragon> <3ADB287E.45A7331E@nerp.net> Message-ID: <987442068.3adb2b9433f76@dragon> Hi, Quoting Nate Sanders : > I have no frame buffer in there as of yet. So I have the option of > picking what to use. Heh, well, it's kinda hard to find the ZX or 24-bit cards. You might be able to find a GC6, which is _marginally_ better than a CG3. The good framebuffers are pretty expensive. A 24-bit framebuffer probably costs more than an SS20... Why don't you buy Nate Carlson's Indy? (: > So I need to be able to run NS, multi desktops, and a gazillion Eterms > (E rocks!!) at once. Thats my biggest thing. Enlightenment will NOT be fun on any SS20, even with a good framebuffer. And especially if you can't get a 24-bit one. If you're using Eterm for the transparent windows thing, I'd recommend aterm instead. Same functionality (no menubar) and a LOT leaner. -Yaron -- From mbutler2 at mmm.com Mon Apr 16 12:36:48 2001 From: mbutler2 at mmm.com (mbutler2@mmm.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] More on the Zseries.... Message-ID: Okay- My IBM rep just stopped by and for those who haven't seen this, please go here to salivate: http://www.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/os/linux/freeaccess.html You WILL NOT be disappointed...... MButler From florin at iucha.net Mon Apr 16 12:49:22 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest? In-Reply-To: <20010416111556.A1674@minime> Message-ID: On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 10:58:33AM -0500, Stephen B Knewtson wrote: > > > > When is the next installfest going to be? > > I vow to make it a captial offense to post html mail to this list. Violators > should be banned. Tarred and feathered first :) florin From wilson at visi.com Mon Apr 16 12:53:53 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cat'ing logs Message-ID: Hey everyone, Is it generally safe to concatanate system logs? I moved a server to a new machine, but I don't want to lose the logs that I had from before. (I use webalizer to make pretty graphs from them.) -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Apr 16 13:22:05 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] woody install In-Reply-To: ; from ben@nerp.net on Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 07:41:52AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010416132204.C7492@ringworld.org> * Ben Kochie [010416 07:44]: > woody: testing, stable _packages_ are moved to testing from unstable. This is a misnomer. Woody packages are not stable. They are moved to woody form unstable via an automated system that looks at bugs, dependencies, and amount of time in unstable w/o bugs. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Sound works OK on recent kernels, though sound is too shoddy on my IPX to play mp3s :( . > Anything I should go look into for more info about installing it? Probably take a look at http://www.ultralinux.org/ for general Sparc port info, and http://www.debian.org/ports/sparc/ for Debian Sparc stuff. Oh looking further down the thread I see you've asked about netscape. Netscape support is a little shoddy. The only netscape available for Sparc Linux is pretty old. I want to say ~ 4.5, and its not available as a deb. Search the debian-sparc list for details on digging it up. Mozilla runs fine on Sparc Linux, though the version in Debian is a little old because of concerns about the crypto in newer versions . -- Jim Crumley | crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Apr 16 13:36:28 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco IPIP tunneling <-> Linux? Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10980F@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Make sure you set the MTU on the tunnel to 1500 or you'll have problems. It should default to 1500 anyway, but for some reason I have trouble with UDP across the tunnel if you don't explicitly set it to 1500. On the router you need something like: interface Tunnel0 description A crazy friggin tunnel ip address 10.254.254.1 255.255.255.252 ip mtu 1500 tunnel source FastEthernet0/0 tunnel destination ! And do something like this on the linux box after making sure you load the gre module: ip tunnel add tun0 mode gre remote local ttl 255 ip addr add 10.254.254.2/prefix dev tun0 ip route add dev tun0 > -----Original Message----- > From: jethro@yaron.org [mailto:jethro@yaron.org] > Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 12:05 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Cisco IPIP tunneling <-> Linux? > > > Hi, > > Quoting Nate Carlson : > > > Found some docs on the 'net about this: > > > > cisco# conf t > > Yeesh! Telocity gave you a REAL router??? > > -Yaron > > -- > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From nate at nerp.net Mon Apr 16 13:37:30 2001 From: nate at nerp.net (Nate Sanders) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian on Sparc References: <3ADB2581.FFE62C53@nerp.net> <987440921.3adb27199cf7f@dragon> <3ADB287E.45A7331E@nerp.net> <987442068.3adb2b9433f76@dragon> Message-ID: <3ADB3BEA.6990C697@nerp.net> jethro@yaron.org wrote: > Why don't you buy Nate Carlson's Indy? (: > Because my work allready gave me a system for free, and I'm not going to buy my own :-] > > Enlightenment will NOT be fun on any SS20, even with a good framebuffer. And > especially if you can't get a 24-bit one. We had E running before on a E-150 server. I don't recall how long we ran it for but it did setup correctly. But I have yet to see it on a SS20. > > > If you're using Eterm for the transparent windows thing, I'd recommend aterm > instead. Same functionality (no menubar) and a LOT leaner. > Well I do run transparent Eterm right now on my laptop with no scroll bars. What is it about E that makes it so bad on a SS20? What could I turn off or down, to ease the load? > > -Yaron -- Nate Sanders nate@chef.nerp.net http://www.damnation.net IRC: darkskull@NEWNET From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Apr 16 13:42:30 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian on Sparc In-Reply-To: <3ADB3BEA.6990C697@nerp.net>; from nate@nerp.net on Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 01:37:30PM -0500 References: <3ADB2581.FFE62C53@nerp.net> <987440921.3adb27199cf7f@dragon> <3ADB287E.45A7331E@nerp.net> <987442068.3adb2b9433f76@dragon> <3ADB3BEA.6990C697@nerp.net> Message-ID: <20010416134230.D7492@ringworld.org> * Nate Sanders [010416 13:40]: > Well I do run transparent Eterm right now on my laptop with no scroll bars. What > is it about E that makes it so bad on a SS20? What could I turn off or down, to > ease the load? Stick with 8bpp framebuffer. The 24bpp framebuffer add-on seemed to be super-expensive and not nearly as fast as the 8bpp. (at least on ss5's and 10's) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backing up to CD-R In-Reply-To: <20010416112337.A30696@mn.rr.com> References: <15067.4119.928232.983794@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> <20010416112337.A30696@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <15067.16370.325737.480675@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> >>>>> "JJT" == John Joseph Trammell writes: JJT> On Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 10:30:31AM -0500, Robert P. Goldman JJT> wrote: >> My tape drive crapped out :-< so.... >> >> I was wondering --- do any of you have a solution to backing up >> to CD-Rs? JJT> How about backing up to CD-RW's? That'd be fine, too. But I don't see how that makes things any easier. What one would like would be to be able to do incremental backups and, since CD-RWs still need to be filled using mkisofs, you'd still want a lot of scriptage to make it work, seems to me. The best I could figure out would be something like 1. copy the CD-RW image to hard drive 2. update the tar archive (either by adding to it, or by doing an incremental backup to a new tar file) 3. push the image back from the hard drive to the CD-RW. The only thing CD-RW (over just CD-R) seems to me to simplify is #3, because it lets me just overwrite the old incremental backup log file. And it makes it possible to just add to the tar file, instead of writing an additional incremental file. R From natecars at real-time.com Mon Apr 16 13:55:39 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco IPIP tunneling <-> Linux? In-Reply-To: <987440707.3adb26433d4fa@dragon> Message-ID: On Mon, 16 Apr 2001 jethro@yaron.org wrote: > > Found some docs on the 'net about this: > > > > cisco# conf t > > Yeesh! Telocity gave you a REAL router??? Naaaah, I want to route myself a /29 from Real Time to my box at home. :) That'd be on one of our routers here.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Mon Apr 16 14:00:02 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telocity DSL In-Reply-To: <014101c0c68b$951a3390$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > Geeze -- you must not be an enthusiast. You didn't take the day off of > work? It is a holiday when you get a new DSL connection and a router to > play with :) OK, due to popular TCLUG demand, I ran home on my lunch hour and set up my DSL link. :) Here's the steps I had to go through: 1) Attempt to get a DHCP address from the router, per instructions 2) Didn't work, so I set my address to 10.0.0.1 (instructions tell you to connect to http://10.5.1.2), and tried to connect to that IP; still didn't work. 3) Did a ping sweep on 10.0.0.0/8 with NMAP to figure out what IP it was on :) 4) Found it on 10.6.1.2; loaded it up in a web browser 5) Agreed to the license, entered my phone#, the router downloaded it's configuration 6) Router rebooted 7) Fired up my dhcp client, got an address 8) Hit the 'net. :) They actually give everyone a /30, with a real IP for the router _and_ your box. Cool! They have things have set up so if you hit http://10.5.1.2 (yeah, it actually worked on that IP), it gives you connection stats, etc. Pretty sweet setup.. I'm only getting 320kbit/s right now, but the installers told me that would be the case, and to call Rythms and see how high they can get it to train.. Now.. to play with IP tunneling.. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Mon Apr 16 14:00:57 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco IPIP tunneling <-> Linux? In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10980F@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > Make sure you set the MTU on the tunnel to 1500 or you'll have problems. It > should default to 1500 anyway, but for some reason I have trouble with UDP > across the tunnel if you don't explicitly set it to 1500. > > On the router you need something like: > interface Tunnel0 > description A crazy friggin tunnel > ip address 10.254.254.1 255.255.255.252 > ip mtu 1500 > tunnel source FastEthernet0/0 > tunnel destination > ! > > And do something like this on the linux box after making sure you load the > gre module: > ip tunnel add tun0 mode gre remote local ip of local box> ttl 255 > ip addr add 10.254.254.2/prefix dev tun0 > ip route add dev tun0 Thanks Jay. I'll give this a shot when I get bored. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Mon Apr 16 13:33:45 2001 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John Joseph Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backing up to CD-R In-Reply-To: <15067.16370.325737.480675@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com>; from goldman@htc.honeywell.com on Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 01:54:42PM -0500 References: <15067.4119.928232.983794@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> <20010416112337.A30696@mn.rr.com> <15067.16370.325737.480675@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> Message-ID: <20010416133345.A31369@mn.rr.com> On Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 01:54:42PM -0500, Robert P. Goldman wrote: > That'd be fine, too. But I don't see how that makes things any > easier. What one would like would be to be able to do incremental > backups and, since CD-RWs still need to be filled using mkisofs, you'd > still want a lot of scriptage to make it work, seems to me. Apologies -- I misread your priorities. I don't have any experience doing incremental backups to CD-R[W]. -- According to the Genesis account, the tower of Babel was man's second major engineering undertaking, after Noah's ark. Babel was the first engineering fiasco. - F. Brooks, _The Mythical Man-Month_ From mend0070 at umn.edu Mon Apr 16 14:18:41 2001 From: mend0070 at umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telocity DSL Message-ID: <200104161918.OAA30627@www5> Nate, Congrats. How long after you ordered did they start sorting out billing and move on to real install stuff? I fear I'm running a zombie process with them. From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Mon Apr 16 14:45:54 2001 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian on Sparc In-Reply-To: <987446885.3adb3e656bf34@dragon>; from jethro@yaron.org on Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 01:48:05PM -0500 References: <3ADB2581.FFE62C53@nerp.net> <987440921.3adb27199cf7f@dragon> <3ADB287E.45A7331E@nerp.net> <987442068.3adb2b9433f76@dragon> <3ADB3BEA.6990C697@nerp.net> <20010416134230.D7492@ringworld.org> <987446885.3adb3e656bf34@dragon> Message-ID: <20010416144554.A1527@sorry.cs.umn.edu> > It's _slower_ than a CG6??!? > The 24-bit frambuffers are extremely slow. They give you higher quality, but don't add much speed, if any. Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "YOU _GAVE_AWAY_ $47 MILLION DOLLARS?? You fat, bloated eediot!" - Ren Hoek in "Stimpy's Big Day" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From natecars at real-time.com Mon Apr 16 15:00:00 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telocity DSL In-Reply-To: <200104161918.OAA30627@www5> Message-ID: On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Philip C Mendelsohn wrote: > Congrats. How long after you ordered did they start sorting out billing > and move on to real install stuff? I fear I'm running a zombie process > with them. Billing starts in 7 days.. I placed the order on March 23rd, they installed the physical line 04/06, and I got the router today. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From pc451 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 16 15:07:48 2001 From: pc451 at yahoo.com (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Home temperature monitoring (OT?) Message-ID: <20010416200748.71348.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> Ok, this may be a wee bit off-topic, but I will soon be setting up a home temperature monitor network, using Dallas Semiconductor's DS18s20 and DigiTemp for Linux (see http://brianlane.com/digitemp.php for details). I'm curious to know if anyone has done similar work. It looks pretty easy, and the documentation that I have been able to scrounge together is fairly complete, but I would be interested in hearing other experiences. :Peter __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From simeonuj at eetc.com Mon Apr 16 15:47:58 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH 7.1 released References: Message-ID: <3ADB5A70.4CC30671@eetc.com> What is the date on the disk image? I would like to download the correct image. I am guessing it is April 9? I have been trying different ftp mirrors but they all have the directory locked. This sucks. Found a connection but it is pretty slow. Seems to be faster than sourceforge. ftp://mirror.cs.wisc.edu//pub/mirrors/linux/redhat/7.1/en/iso/i386/ Anyone know of a site with a decent speed? sim From kelly at ncis.com Mon Apr 16 17:30:18 2001 From: kelly at ncis.com (Kelly) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need red hat 7.1 Message-ID: <001401c0c6c4$d2c52900$0a01a8c0@inet> Would one of you lucky people out there that have a fat pipe and a cd burner, consider Downloading RH7.1 then burning it on a cd and then mail it to me? I would gladly send you 5 bucks for your trouble. Kelly -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010416/edfaffb3/attachment.htm From keyj001 at worldnet.att.net Mon Apr 16 19:10:45 2001 From: keyj001 at worldnet.att.net (Joseph Key) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian on Sparc References: <3ADB2581.FFE62C53@nerp.net> <987440921.3adb27199cf7f@dragon> Message-ID: <008001c0c6d2$dc0ac8e0$6439a8c0@Sakura> You could try NetBSD. It works good on the Sparcs. Joseph ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Debian on Sparc > Hi, > > Quoting Nate Sanders : > > > How does Debian work on a SS20? I have yet to see someone running it > > on a sparc. How well does it run? I would be using this as a workstation > > mainly. Just need X, Sound, and BitchX :-] > > I haven't run debian on a SPARC, but Linux is Linux, right? I ran Red Hat on > SPARCs a bunch. > > It runs fine, and you can get X going pretty easily. Linux will run on-par with > Solaris would on an SS20, but X _will_ be slow unless you've got like a ZX > framebuffer in it. > > -Yaron > > -- > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From veldy at veldy.net Mon Apr 16 19:40:41 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH 7.1 released References: <3ADB5A70.4CC30671@eetc.com> Message-ID: <000c01c0c6d7$07b0a7e0$0100a8c0@cascade> All of them in about 1 week. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simeon Johnston" To: Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] RH 7.1 released > What is the date on the disk image? I would like to download the correct image. > I am guessing it is April 9? > I have been trying different ftp mirrors but they all have the directory locked. > This sucks. > Found a connection but it is pretty slow. Seems to be faster than sourceforge. > > ftp://mirror.cs.wisc.edu//pub/mirrors/linux/redhat/7.1/en/iso/i386/ > > Anyone know of a site with a decent speed? > > sim > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Mon Apr 16 20:14:04 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Ben Lutgens wrote: > > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 10:58:33AM -0500, Stephen B Knewtson wrote: > > > > > > When is the next installfest going to be? > > > > I vow to make it a captial offense to post html mail to this list. Violators > > should be banned. > > Tarred and feathered first :) How 'bout tarred and gzipped? Neither sounds very comfortable ;) -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From clay at fandre.com Mon Apr 16 20:26:11 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telocity DSL References: <200104161918.OAA30627@www5> Message-ID: <3ADB9BB3.6B04426B@fandre.com> Philip C Mendelsohn wrote: > > Nate, > > Congrats. How long after you ordered did they start sorting out billing > and move on to real install stuff? I fear I'm running a zombie process > with them. Well, I submitted my order to get my service restored over 2 weeks ago. They told me it takes a week for the credit card verification process. So after a week I call back. They tell me my credit card was denied, even though my credit card co said everything was fine with it. So I'm waiting another week to have them verify another credit card. Can't they just give me service and bill me? Boy I wish I could switch to a different company. From silwenae at silwenae.com Mon Apr 16 20:46:05 2001 From: silwenae at silwenae.com (Silwenae) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Re: RH7 resolve.conf (Jon Schewe) Message-ID: <00b001c0c6e0$2b32b010$6501a8c0@win2kPAUL> That was a typo on my part, it is "search mn.rr.com" Still don't know why debian's resolve.conf is "search mn.rr.com\000" I think I may just try RH7.1, I'm having pretty good speed from the U of Michigan FTP on the ISO. Paul Message: 3 To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] RH7 resolve.conf From: Jon Schewe Date: 15 Apr 2001 18:17:16 -0500 Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Not sure how this would cause it, but there should be a space between search and mn, not a period. Otherwise those look like the right IP's. "Silwenae" writes: > I just installed RH7 on one of my boxes, and my nameservers aren't working. > > > > My resolve.conf file is: > > > > search.mn.rr.com > > nameserver 24.26.163.33 > > nameserver 24.26.163.32 > > nameserver 24.94.163.33 > > > > I can browse the web and ping by IP#, but not by name. > > > > Looking at my debian box, the resolve.conf is identical, except for: > > > > search.mn.rr.com\000 > > > > These were both automatically put in during install, I didn't do anything. My debian box has > no issues. I'm on Timewarner Roadrunner behind a Linksys router, and RH 6.2 used to work just > fine, and my debian and windoze boxes don't have any issues. > > > > Anyone help? > > > > Thanks, > > Paul -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010416/a96117ce/attachment.html From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Mon Apr 16 21:05:46 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telocity DSL In-Reply-To: <3ADB9BB3.6B04426B@fandre.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Clay Fandre wrote: > Well, I submitted my order to get my service restored over 2 weeks ago. > They told me it takes a week for the credit card verification process. > So after a week I call back. They tell me my credit card was denied, > even though my credit card co said everything was fine with it. So I'm > waiting another week to have them verify another credit card. Can't they > just give me service and bill me? Boy I wish I could switch to a > different company. Hrm. Their web site now tells me that DSL isn't available in my area. That's probably not correct -- I'm close to a good CO. It really does smell like munged up order processing. Yeesh. -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From clay at fandre.com Mon Apr 16 21:08:55 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telocity DSL References: Message-ID: <3ADBA5B7.43E4EF10@fandre.com> Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > > On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > Well, I submitted my order to get my service restored over 2 weeks ago. > > They told me it takes a week for the credit card verification process. > > So after a week I call back. They tell me my credit card was denied, > > even though my credit card co said everything was fine with it. So I'm > > waiting another week to have them verify another credit card. Can't they > > just give me service and bill me? Boy I wish I could switch to a > > different company. > > Hrm. Their web site now tells me that DSL isn't available in my > area. That's probably not correct -- I'm close to a good CO. It really > does smell like munged up order processing. Yeesh. It's not only how far you are from the CO, but also if they have the proper hardware in the CO. From mnlinux at technologyannex.com Mon Apr 16 22:12:55 2001 From: mnlinux at technologyannex.com (B. Eric Roth) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fastest Redhat 7.1 ftp iso download Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010416220657.00a78050@pop.visi.com> ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/site/ftp.redhat.com/redhat/redhat-7.1-en/iso/i386/ I've been able to get 62KB per sec. From florin at iucha.net Tue Apr 17 00:02:25 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fastest Redhat 7.1 ftp iso download In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010416220657.00a78050@pop.visi.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, B. Eric Roth wrote: > > ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/site/ftp.redhat.com/redhat/redhat-7.1-en/iso/i386/ > > I've been able to get 62KB per sec. Thanks. Qwest gives me 65k/s florin From jwanderson at uswest.net Tue Apr 17 03:48:00 2001 From: jwanderson at uswest.net (Jay W. Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fastest Redhat 7.1 ftp iso download In-Reply-To: References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010416220657.00a78050@pop.visi.com> Message-ID: <200104170848.f3H8m2t24795@sprite.real-time.com> On 17 Apr 01, at 0:02, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, B. Eric Roth wrote: > > > > > ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/site/ftp.redhat.com/redhat/redhat-7.1-en/iso/i386/ > > > > I've been able to get 62KB per sec. > > Thanks. > > Qwest gives me 65k/s > I got about the same from ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/redhat... Jay From fertch at mninter.net Tue Apr 17 07:57:26 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What's this file? References: <3ADAE922.E617CB6E@mninter.net> <3ADAE902.57DE719B@fandre.com> <3ADAFA27.FA1CDDF@mninter.net> <3ADAFC21.F65DC7A@fandre.com> Message-ID: <3ADC3DB6.DF86F7DA@mninter.net> Clay Fandre wrote: > > Clay Fandre wrote: > > > It might be output from tiger, which is a security auditing program. > > > What does the file contain? > > > ________________________________ > > > > It's all in unreadable binary. It's on a Slack 7.1 box running the > > 2.2.16 kernel. > > _______________________________________________ > > Do a strings on it. > > strings tiger.out | more Comes back like so: TR $I$R@ $ " JEI@ A$JR @ A@B $JI%@H and it continues on..... All 1.83 MB of it.... Shawn From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Tue Apr 17 08:07:00 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telocity DSL In-Reply-To: <3ADBA5B7.43E4EF10@fandre.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Clay Fandre wrote: > Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > > > > On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > > > Well, I submitted my order to get my service restored over 2 weeks ago. > > > They told me it takes a week for the credit card verification process. > > > So after a week I call back. They tell me my credit card was denied, > > > even though my credit card co said everything was fine with it. So I'm > > > waiting another week to have them verify another credit card. Can't they > > > just give me service and bill me? Boy I wish I could switch to a > > > different company. > > > > Hrm. Their web site now tells me that DSL isn't available in my > > area. That's probably not correct -- I'm close to a good CO. It really > > does smell like munged up order processing. Yeesh. > > It's not only how far you are from the CO, but also if they have the > proper hardware in the CO. I said "good CO." :) Hell, I even have an unused copper pair running to the house! How easy could it be? No, I think it's a snafu. -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From simeonuj at eetc.com Tue Apr 17 08:25:44 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fastest Redhat 7.1 ftp iso download References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010416220657.00a78050@pop.visi.com> <200104170848.f3H8m2t24795@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <3ADC4455.B9D82366@eetc.com> Oh yeah! That feels good. Getting between 45 - 68Kbps. That rocks. Now I just have to wait about 3 hours. : ) "Jay W. Anderson" wrote: > On 17 Apr 01, at 0:02, Florin Iucha wrote: > > > On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, B. Eric Roth wrote: > > > > > > > > ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/site/ftp.redhat.com/redhat/redhat-7.1-en/iso/i386/ > > > > > > I've been able to get 62KB per sec. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Qwest gives me 65k/s > > > > I got about the same from ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/redhat... I looked yesterday but it wasn't up yet. I was also having problems logging onto the server. I think it was an application problem. Seems to work fine now. sim From administrator at ltiflex.com Tue Apr 17 08:53:23 2001 From: administrator at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question on Cut/Copy & Paste References: <3AD1838C.97D0A5EB@mninter.net> Message-ID: <3ADC4AD3.19F845BE@ltiflex.com> To copy and paste between X apps, highlight text, refocus, and click your middle mouse button. The internal Ctrl+C and Alt+C commands in Star Office and Netscape don't always carry over. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From simeonuj at eetc.com Tue Apr 17 08:58:37 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fastest Redhat 7.1 ftp iso download References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010416220657.00a78050@pop.visi.com> <200104170848.f3H8m2t24795@sprite.real-time.com> <3ADC4455.B9D82366@eetc.com> Message-ID: <3ADC4C07.52E4DDF0@eetc.com> Ha ha ha ha! 75Kbps now. sim Simeon Johnston wrote: > Oh yeah! That feels good. > Getting between 45 - 68Kbps. That rocks. > Now I just have to wait about 3 hours. : ) From jwanderson at uswest.net Tue Apr 17 09:00:43 2001 From: jwanderson at uswest.net (Jay W. Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fastest Redhat 7.1 ftp iso download In-Reply-To: <3ADC4455.B9D82366@eetc.com> Message-ID: <200104171400.f3HE0it29941@sprite.real-time.com> On 17 Apr 01, at 8:25, Simeon Johnston wrote: > I looked yesterday but it wasn't up yet. I was also having problems logging > onto the server. I think it was an application problem. > Seems to work fine now. > I know that at one time Bob was limiting the # of connections so you might of hit that. Jay From administrator at ltiflex.com Tue Apr 17 09:16:57 2001 From: administrator at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Buying a Linux compatable digital cam. References: <09ce15015020a41FE4@mail4.mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <3ADC5059.A8D205D5@ltiflex.com> As mentioned before, gphoto is the standard app for transferring picks from digital cameras. Check the program or their website for the list. ( http://www.gphoto.net/cameras.html ) I have a Kodak DC210+. I recently got tired of transferring via serial cable and picked up a Sandisk ImageMate SDDR-31. Works great with the usb-storage driver. Make sure you don't get any other Sandisk USB drives though, that is the only one that works under Linux. ( http://www.sandisk.com/tech/im_faq.asp ) On the bright side, at $30 the reader is the cheapest CF reader I saw. (actually, reader/writer) The thing doesn't feel cheap either. It feels solid, well made. Stick with cameras that use CF. Some Olympus cameras user their Smart Media that generally uses a floppy and some whacked windows drivers to transfer photos. Not exactly Linux friendly. Never been impressed with the Sony cameras that use floppy drives, but if Sony was smart Memory Stick readers should work with the USB storage drivers. Sony does some neat stuff with Memory Sticks (like a combination mouse and reader) but only Sony has embraced the technology. My opinion is stick with camaras that use Compact Flash. At least then you know you can get to your pictures one way or another under Linux. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From administrator at ltiflex.com Tue Apr 17 09:27:15 2001 From: administrator at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] newbie staroffice installation woes References: Message-ID: <3ADC52C3.4BACE853@ltiflex.com> Also, if you want to do a multi user install from the downloaded archive, you have to do: #chmod 755 so-5_2-ga-bin-linux-en.bin #./so-5_2-ga-bin-linux-en.bin -extract #./setup -net Otherwise, if you just run the .bin file, you will get a single user install, most likely in your home directory. If you do mutiple users that way, it wastes space quickly. If you do a net install, Star Office will only copy about 1.5mb of stuff to your home directory and the rest will be in the network install directory, ready to use by anyone. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From jeffr at odeon.net Tue Apr 17 10:26:41 2001 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] duplex printing via samba? In-Reply-To: <20010416200748.71348.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Heya folks, Here at work we just got a brand new HP 8150N laser printer. It's being shared via an NT4 server. I've got the samba client stuff installed and can print to the printer. So far so good, but I'd really like to be able to duplex printed documents. Anyone got any pointers as to where I could start looking? I'm using a notebook running Mandrake 7.0 (XFree86 4+ doesn't seem to support the Trident 9388 video chipset, although 3.3.6 works just fine). It's using lpd for print spooling. I've got a 2.2.14 kernel. Um, any other info needed? I did a quick search on google, which led me to the linuxprinting.org website which has lots of useful information, but only barely mentions output filtering which I gather lets you specify duplex printing, and only appears to with if you're using PDQ as your print spooler. Thanks, Jeff From mjn at umn.edu Tue Apr 17 10:34:14 2001 From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IPchains or TCP/IP question... Message-ID: We have ipchains firewalling on a RedHat 6.1 box here at work and we are having some problem with people running mail servers on the cable-modem dominated sections of the network (24.0.0.0). Here is the rule we have for that: IPCHAINS="/sbin/ipchains" LOCALNET="IP/NETMASK" $IPCHAINS -A input -l -s 24.0.0.0/8 -d $LOCALNET -j DENY Now, what I'd like to do is just allow access to port 25 for the whole subnet to eilminate my having to throw in specific IPs in and restart the firewall. Its like just a problem with my understanding of TCP/IP(or, more likely, IPchains) but here is what I have tried which didn't seem to work: $IPCHAINS -A input -p tcp -s 24.0.0.0/24 -d $LOCALNET 25 -j ACCEPT I also tried it without the port number. My big problem is not understanding what the mask "/24" is doing in this case (and many others)... Suggestions? Does anyone have a better philosophy regarding cable-modem users? Should I be punting all of their packets into oblivion? It feels good but it starting to become more of a staple and thus we may run into problems eventually... Thanks. ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com http://supermonkeycollider.dyndns.org/ ____________________________ From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Tue Apr 17 10:52:28 2001 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IPchains or TCP/IP question... Message-ID: 24.0.0.0/8 = 24.0.0.0 to 24.255.255.255 or 16,777216 unique IPs (including network and broadcast) 24.0.0.0/24 = 24.0.0.0 to 24.0.0.255 or 256 unique IPs (including network and broadcast) Make sure you put the limited accept rule before the blanket deny rule because the first match wins. >>> mjn@umn.edu 04/17/01 10:34AM >>> We have ipchains firewalling on a RedHat 6.1 box here at work and we are having some problem with people running mail servers on the cable-modem dominated sections of the network (24.0.0.0). Here is the rule we have for that: IPCHAINS="/sbin/ipchains" LOCALNET="IP/NETMASK" $IPCHAINS -A input -l -s 24.0.0.0/8 -d $LOCALNET -j DENY Now, what I'd like to do is just allow access to port 25 for the whole subnet to eilminate my having to throw in specific IPs in and restart the firewall. Its like just a problem with my understanding of TCP/IP(or, more likely, IPchains) but here is what I have tried which didn't seem to work: $IPCHAINS -A input -p tcp -s 24.0.0.0/24 -d $LOCALNET 25 -j ACCEPT I also tried it without the port number. My big problem is not understanding what the mask "/24" is doing in this case (and many others)... Suggestions? Does anyone have a better philosophy regarding cable-modem users? Should I be punting all of their packets into oblivion? It feels good but it starting to become more of a staple and thus we may run into problems eventually... Thanks. ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com http://supermonkeycollider.dyndns.org/ ____________________________ _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From fertch at mninter.net Tue Apr 17 11:02:16 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question on Cut/Copy & Paste References: <3AD1838C.97D0A5EB@mninter.net> <3ADC4AD3.19F845BE@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <3ADC6908.D329C7DE@mninter.net> Andy Zbikowski wrote: > > To copy and paste between X apps, highlight text, refocus, and click your > middle mouse button. The internal Ctrl+C and Alt+C commands in Star Office > and Netscape don't always carry over. Cool, thanks Andy. Now just need to set up my middle mouse button. Shawn From rgoldber at d.umn.edu Tue Apr 17 11:06:04 2001 From: rgoldber at d.umn.edu (rgoldber@d.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IPchains or TCP/IP question... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Apr 2001, mjn wrote: >$IPCHAINS -A input -p tcp -s 24.0.0.0/24 -d $LOCALNET 25 -j ACCEPT > >I also tried it without the port number. My big problem is not >understanding what the mask "/24" is doing in this case (and many >others)... Well, given an IP address (or network number in this case): 24.0.0.0, and a mask: /24 (ie 255.255.255.0, 24 bits on, remember IP addressing is 32 bits, with each quad being 8 bits), you get to know the network/subnet part and the host part. In this case the first three quads "24.0.0" is the network/subnet part, leaving one quad for the host part. The above rule allows packets with source addresses falling in the range 24.0.0.1-24.0.0.254. check out http://www.tcpipprimer.com/addressing.cfm hope that helps - Ryan From administrator at ltiflex.com Tue Apr 17 11:12:04 2001 From: administrator at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] duplex printing via samba? References: Message-ID: <3ADC6B54.F58E8D4@ltiflex.com> I don't know if any filters are out there to do the duplex printing, but all it takes is four lines of post script code, so all you need is a little knowlege of perl to filter the job. You may want to look into the ifhp filters (I think they're included with LPRNG http://www.lprng.com/) I think this should work for most duplex printers that speak postscript: %%BeginSetup 2 dict dup /Duplex true put dup /Tumble false put setpagedevice %%EndSetup These commands should go after "%%EndComments" in your ps file. After you edit the ps file, send it the the printer. More information is here: http://www-sphys.unil.ch/linux/netprintfilter.html The trick is writing a filter to insert the commands at the correct place. Shouldn't be too difficult, but I haven't had the ambition. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Apr 17 11:47:32 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Buying a Linux compatable digital cam. In-Reply-To: <3ADC5059.A8D205D5@ltiflex.com>; from administrator@ltiflex.com on Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 09:16:57AM -0500 References: <09ce15015020a41FE4@mail4.mn.rr.com> <3ADC5059.A8D205D5@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <20010417114732.F7492@ringworld.org> * Andy Zbikowski [010417 09:22]: > I have a Kodak DC210+. I recently got tired of transferring via serial cable I also have a Kodak camera and use the CF reader on the z50 I recently got to upload the photos. CF is so your friend. I've got the DC280. http://www.ringworld.org/~dieman/photos/ -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010417/b7bbab57/attachment.pgp From administrator at ltiflex.com Tue Apr 17 14:05:01 2001 From: administrator at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] duplex printing via samba? References: <3ADC6B54.F58E8D4@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <3ADC93DD.EF45D562@ltiflex.com> > The trick is writing a filter to insert the commands at the correct place. > Shouldn't be too difficult, but I haven't had the ambition. > Did a bit more looking, and yeah, looks like ifhp is the way to go. ftp://ftp.astart.com/pub/LPRng/FILTERS/ lpr -P -Z'duplex,font=/absolutepath' One of these days I might actually get that setup, but I like to turn on the staple sorter most of the time anyway. Easy enough to print PDF documentation from a Citrix, VMWare, or RDP session. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From simeonuj at eetc.com Tue Apr 17 16:32:17 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH 7.1 released References: <3ADB5A70.4CC30671@eetc.com> <000c01c0c6d7$07b0a7e0$0100a8c0@cascade> Message-ID: <3ADCB632.D0679B35@eetc.com> "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > All of them in about 1 week. Well, I got them. I got cd's 1 and 2. When I tried to get the powertools the ftp site died on me. Oh well, I can live without those for now. I just started installing it. So far I am really impressed. They actually scaled down the GUI installer. Much cleaner and faster. It also allows you to configure a personal firewall right off the bat. You can enable services or leave them all off. It only allows DNS ports and another one that I can't remember. Seems to be very fast compared to 7.0. It even has a shell prompt this time. Found that out by accident. I have made an error though. I tried to redo my partitions and am having some trouble. Using the Disk Druid I deleted the first 3 partitions on my drive. I was going to just resize them but Disk Druid wouldn't allow that. Now when I create a partition it creates it as sda9 or sda8 not sda5 which it should be. How do I get around this. I tried using fdisk. In the extended features it is supposed to allow you to fix the partition order. It does this only on screen. When I write the partition table it reverts back to sda9. I then restarted the computer to see if it would simply renumber them as it started up. Apparently not. What gives. I thought that these utilities were smarter than that. Is there a way to renumber the partitions? I can't delete the other 3 partitions on this drive. I have RIP so there should be no problems booting into those. I will have to edit the fstab and lilo.conf files to point them to the right partitions but that should be it, right? No hidden rocks in the water? Even though I havn't gotten it all the way installed I am fairly impressed with the installation program. Kinda like looking at the pretty pictures on the cover of a novel but not being able to read. : ) sim From keyj001 at worldnet.att.net Tue Apr 17 19:43:27 2001 From: keyj001 at worldnet.att.net (Joseph Key) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What's this file? References: <3ADAE922.E617CB6E@mninter.net> <3ADAE902.57DE719B@fandre.com> <3ADAFA27.FA1CDDF@mninter.net> <3ADAFC21.F65DC7A@fandre.com> <3ADC3DB6.DF86F7DA@mninter.net> Message-ID: <000001c0c7a3$5da895a0$6439a8c0@Sakura> The tiger.out file might be the tiger picture that is output when you setup and test printing using APSfilter. Joseph Key ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shawn" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 7:57 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] What's this file? > Clay Fandre wrote: > > > Clay Fandre wrote: > > > > It might be output from tiger, which is a security auditing program. > > > > What does the file contain? > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > It's all in unreadable binary. It's on a Slack 7.1 box running the > > > 2.2.16 kernel. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Do a strings on it. > > > > strings tiger.out | more > > > Comes back like so: > > TR $I$R@ > $ " > JEI@ > A$JR > @ A@B > $JI%@H > > > and it continues on..... All 1.83 MB of it.... > > Shawn > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu Tue Apr 17 23:51:10 2001 From: lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu (Ben Luey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 3rd party addon to WordPerfect 9 (windows) Message-ID: Since WordPerfect 9 runs under wine, is it possible to run 3rd party addons on wordperfect 9 that are meant for the windows version of WordPerfect, assuming that the 3rd party apps run under wine also? I'm thinking of Endnote in particular which changes the menu options and links itself with WordPerfect pretty closely. Thanks, Ben From nate at nerp.net Wed Apr 18 09:19:55 2001 From: nate at nerp.net (Nate Sanders) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian on Sparc References: <3ADB2581.FFE62C53@nerp.net> <987440921.3adb27199cf7f@dragon> <008001c0c6d2$dc0ac8e0$6439a8c0@Sakura> Message-ID: <3ADDA28B.FAFCBAB3@nerp.net> I was thinking of one of the BSD's. Maybe Open. Joseph Key wrote: > You could try NetBSD. It works good on the Sparcs. > Joseph > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 12:08 PM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Debian on Sparc > > > Hi, > > > > Quoting Nate Sanders : > > > > > How does Debian work on a SS20? I have yet to see someone running it > > > on a sparc. How well does it run? I would be using this as a workstation > > > mainly. Just need X, Sound, and BitchX :-] > > > > I haven't run debian on a SPARC, but Linux is Linux, right? I ran Red Hat > on > > SPARCs a bunch. > > > > It runs fine, and you can get X going pretty easily. Linux will run on-par > with > > Solaris would on an SS20, but X _will_ be slow unless you've got like a ZX > > framebuffer in it. > > > > -Yaron > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Nate Sanders nate@chef.nerp.net http://www.damnation.net IRC: darkskull@NEWNET From dutchman at uswest.net Wed Apr 18 09:26:56 2001 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH 7.1 & Real-Time Mirror Message-ID: <3ADDA430.BDEE52B0@mn.uswest.net> Greet the sun all, Any word on the status of Real-Time's mirror of RH 7.1? I looked at Gladiator this morning in the linux/redhat directory and only saw 7.0. -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com From simeonuj at eetc.com Wed Apr 18 09:42:34 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Renumbering partitions... oops! Message-ID: <3ADDA7CE.C2F07A2E@eetc.com> I tried installing RH7.1 and all was well until I tried to delete a few partitions and combine them. When I recreated the partition it numbered it last instead of in the order they are on the disk. I tried to use fdisk to renumber them but it wouldn't save it to the MBR. It would show up on screen as being in order but when I looked at the partitions again after writing it to disk nothing had changed. Is there a way to renumber partitions? Is there a different version of fdisk that will do this? Is all hope lost for my poor MBR? sim From mglaser at mn.mediaone.net Wed Apr 18 09:44:48 2001 From: mglaser at mn.mediaone.net (Michael Glaser) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH 7.1 & Real-Time Mirror In-Reply-To: <3ADDA430.BDEE52B0@mn.uswest.net> Message-ID: <200104181445.f3IEjEx22111@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> On 18 Apr 01, at 9:26, Perry Hoekstra wrote: > Greet the sun all, > > Any word on the status of Real-Time's mirror of RH 7.1? I looked at > Gladiator this morning in the linux/redhat directory and only saw 7.0. If you look in /linux/redhat/linux you can find all of the distributions, including 7.1, but when I try to download anything, I get a 'permission denied' response from the server. Yet, there have been some messages posted from people that apparently have downloaded 7.1 from Real-Time. I am confused. I guess I am not looking in the correct place for it. From veldy at veldy.net Wed Apr 18 09:54:45 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH 7.1 & Real-Time Mirror References: <200104181445.f3IEjEx22111@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <00ac01c0c817$828f8260$3028680a@tgt.com> Probably maxed out. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Glaser" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 9:44 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] RH 7.1 & Real-Time Mirror > On 18 Apr 01, at 9:26, Perry Hoekstra wrote: > > > Greet the sun all, > > > > Any word on the status of Real-Time's mirror of RH 7.1? I looked at > > Gladiator this morning in the linux/redhat directory and only saw 7.0. > > If you look in /linux/redhat/linux you can find all of the distributions, > including 7.1, but when I try to download anything, I get a > 'permission denied' response from the server. > > Yet, there have been some messages posted from people that > apparently have downloaded 7.1 from Real-Time. I am confused. I > guess I am not looking in the correct place for it. > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dutchman at uswest.net Wed Apr 18 09:59:23 2001 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH 7.1 & Real-Time Mirror References: <200104181445.f3IEjEx22111@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> <00ac01c0c817$828f8260$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <3ADDABCA.53E58D29@mn.uswest.net> No, when I tried to cd into the 7.1 directory, ProFTP responded with a 'permission denied' message. Is the 7.1 directory still locked down? "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > Probably maxed out. > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Glaser" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 9:44 AM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] RH 7.1 & Real-Time Mirror > > > On 18 Apr 01, at 9:26, Perry Hoekstra wrote: > > > > > Greet the sun all, > > > > > > Any word on the status of Real-Time's mirror of RH 7.1? I looked at > > > Gladiator this morning in the linux/redhat directory and only saw 7.0. > > > > If you look in /linux/redhat/linux you can find all of the distributions, > > including 7.1, but when I try to download anything, I get a > > 'permission denied' response from the server. > > > > Yet, there have been some messages posted from people that > > apparently have downloaded 7.1 from Real-Time. I am confused. I > > guess I am not looking in the correct place for it. > -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Apr 18 10:25:57 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 3rd party addon to WordPerfect 9 (windows) Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10983C@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Try it. :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Luey [mailto:lueyb@gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 11:51 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] 3rd party addon to WordPerfect 9 (windows) > > > Since WordPerfect 9 runs under wine, is it possible to run 3rd party > addons on wordperfect 9 that are meant for the windows version of > WordPerfect, assuming that the 3rd party apps run under wine also? I'm > thinking of Endnote in particular which changes the menu > options and links > itself with WordPerfect pretty closely. > > Thanks, > > > Ben > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From clay at fandre.com Wed Apr 18 11:12:03 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] No mid-month meeting for April Message-ID: <3ADDBCD3.7F1C5D05@fandre.com> Not sure if we were suppose to have a mid-month meeting tonight or not, but it's been cancelled for April. We will try to resume the mid-month meetings next month. Clay From Bill at Rebey.com Wed Apr 18 11:14:12 2001 From: Bill at Rebey.com (Bill @ Rebey.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OmniKey keyboard... Message-ID: <004701c0c822$9b279640$8201a8c0@Na> Still looking for info on your OmniKey? First let me say that you have the best keyboard available for the PC-AT platform - do NOT get rid of it. I have 4 of them and am always on the lookout for more. Used ones are going on eBay for as much as $190. Avant Stellar is a new-production knock-off of the Northgate. The big orange button rules. If you open the trap door to expose the button, then hit: Orange Button Then Scroll Lock Then F1 - F12 You can change the repeat rate. F1 = very slow ..12 = very fast. I use F11. Orange Button Then Scroll Lock Then Shift-F1 - Shift-F12 You can change the delay before repeat (Shift-F1 = very short delay ..Shift-12 = very long delay. I use Shift-F1. If you set your keyboard up for these very short delays and very fast repeat rates (give it some time to get used to it!), you'll be amazed at how much more productive you can be and how often you can navigate with the arrow keys rather than a mouse. I am a programmer, and live in a text editor 90% of the time. This fast keyboard is invaluable. The DIP switches are listed here: http://www.concentric.net/~Psteffen/omnikey/ I use the one that remaps Ctrl-Alt-Del to be the "original" way (from the IBM PC-XT). This puts Ctrl next to "A", Alt at the far lower left (under shift) and CapsLock next to Space bar. Have fun, and spread the word to the masses who don't know any better: "real" keyboards are worth their weight in gold. Bill Rebey From clay at fandre.com Wed Apr 18 11:12:03 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] No mid-month meeting for April Message-ID: <3ADDBCD3.7F1C5D05@fandre.com> Not sure if we were suppose to have a mid-month meeting tonight or not, but it's been cancelled for April. We will try to resume the mid-month meetings next month. Clay _______________________________________________ tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Apr 18 13:05:08 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Test Message-ID: <20010418180508.9455E182A2@skuld.wk> Don't bother replying. ;-) Sorry for the spam. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Apr 18 13:12:04 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Test In-Reply-To: <20010418180508.9455E182A2@skuld.wk> Message-ID: Hi, On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Chad C. Walstrom wrote: > Don't bother replying. ;-) Sorry for the spam. ^^^^ Lets all move to California and sue him!!! -Yaron -- From kbullock at ringworld.org Wed Apr 18 14:17:37 2001 From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin R. Bullock) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] woody install In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > How 'bout XFree 4? I had it upgrade itself in the midst of some other > upgrades to potato (not a dist-upgrade) and it broke good, so I ended up > ditching something and going back to 3.whatever in potato. Is this > smoother if you do the whole nine yards in one shot -- a "clean upgrade?" Doing an upgrade to XFree 4 on a potato system can break things easily, because so many things used to depend on xlib6g (in potato) that now (in woody) depend on xlibs (they changed the package name). If X is part of your upgrade, you should do the whole thing at once. Once you've upgraded the packages, you should reconfigure X before you try to run it. (Just in case, disable [xgk]dm before the upgrade.) Also note that a plain dist-upgrade might not get XFree 4 -- you might want to play with dselect to get everything to upgrade 'cleanly'. Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa Kevin R. Bullock From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Apr 18 15:01:32 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OmniKey keyboard... Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109840@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Omnikey's are sweet. But if I don't use a split keyboard, my wrists feel like someone smashed them with a big hammer. I wish someone would produce an Omnikey-esque quality split keyboard. I'd pay $200 for one, especially if it was black. :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill @ Rebey.com [mailto:Bill@Rebey.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 11:14 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] OmniKey keyboard... > > > Still looking for info on your OmniKey? > > First let me say that you have the best keyboard available > for the PC-AT > platform - do NOT get rid of it. I have 4 of them and am > always on the > lookout for more. Used ones are going on eBay for as much as $190. > > Avant Stellar is a new-production knock-off of the Northgate. > > The big orange button rules. If you open the trap door to expose the > button, then hit: > Orange Button > Then Scroll Lock > Then F1 - F12 > You can change the repeat rate. F1 = very slow ..12 = > very fast. I use > F11. > > Orange Button > Then Scroll Lock > Then Shift-F1 - Shift-F12 > You can change the delay before repeat (Shift-F1 = very > short delay > ..Shift-12 = very long delay. I use Shift-F1. > > If you set your keyboard up for these very short delays and > very fast repeat > rates (give it some time to get used to it!), you'll be > amazed at how much > more productive you can be and how often you can navigate > with the arrow > keys rather than a mouse. I am a programmer, and live in a > text editor 90% > of the time. This fast keyboard is invaluable. > > The DIP switches are listed here: > http://www.concentric.net/~Psteffen/omnikey/ > > I use the one that remaps Ctrl-Alt-Del to be the "original" > way (from the > IBM PC-XT). This puts Ctrl next to "A", Alt at the far lower > left (under > shift) and CapsLock next to Space bar. > > Have fun, and spread the word to the masses who don't know any better: > "real" keyboards are worth their weight in gold. > > Bill Rebey > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From ben at nerp.net Wed Apr 18 15:30:07 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OmniKey keyboard... In-Reply-To: <004701c0c822$9b279640$8201a8c0@Na> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I was just diging through a pile of old papers, and I found my omnikey manualy.. with full circut diagrams.. and some programming info. amazingly enough, I had to repair one of my omni-key's once.. and i had to use the circut diagram to re-wire a broken circut trace that had gone bad. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Bill @ Rebey.com wrote: > Still looking for info on your OmniKey? > > First let me say that you have the best keyboard available for the PC-AT > platform - do NOT get rid of it. I have 4 of them and am always on the > lookout for more. Used ones are going on eBay for as much as $190. > > Avant Stellar is a new-production knock-off of the Northgate. > > The big orange button rules. If you open the trap door to expose the > button, then hit: > Orange Button > Then Scroll Lock > Then F1 - F12 > You can change the repeat rate. F1 = very slow ..12 = very fast. I use > F11. > > Orange Button > Then Scroll Lock > Then Shift-F1 - Shift-F12 > You can change the delay before repeat (Shift-F1 = very short delay > ..Shift-12 = very long delay. I use Shift-F1. > > If you set your keyboard up for these very short delays and very fast repeat > rates (give it some time to get used to it!), you'll be amazed at how much > more productive you can be and how often you can navigate with the arrow > keys rather than a mouse. I am a programmer, and live in a text editor 90% > of the time. This fast keyboard is invaluable. > > The DIP switches are listed here: > http://www.concentric.net/~Psteffen/omnikey/ > > I use the one that remaps Ctrl-Alt-Del to be the "original" way (from the > IBM PC-XT). This puts Ctrl next to "A", Alt at the far lower left (under > shift) and CapsLock next to Space bar. > > Have fun, and spread the word to the masses who don't know any better: > "real" keyboards are worth their weight in gold. > > Bill Rebey > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBOt35UstpDhsSpvgtAQH/jQQAzJuqEPpRnUKQ0SkQVCjG7QeHffaJuD9C U25PCSpfDuUsDUTz0/H0tMHq7MknaRXmRhodJ0mbz2AxGwoIxxGk4zRgOvmrzoKj BZZKbICIUEhoOgg+mlTHbScvhYd5brVGkAkC1fM/BN2WdarthLbrCSEKJpiBf/gw fSRn/Lf7qbQ= =VH2A -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Apr 18 15:30:40 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] black case Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109841@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> I finally ordered myself a new case. I was going to shell out the $200-$300 to buy one of those sweet aluminum cases, but they don't have a door in the front to hide the ugly beige crap that everyone is so bent on still producing. Did I mention I hate beige? Anyway, I bought this guy, the Antec SX1030B SOHO Fileserver: http://www.egghead.com/category/inv/00031363/03819568.htm 4 5.25" bays, 2 external 3.5", 4 internal 3.5", 300W quiet power supply, and built like a brick shithouse (it weighs 37 pounds) according to all the reviews. And, the most important part.... IT'S NOT BEIGE! GamePC review has a good review of it here: http://www.gamepc.com/reviews/hardware_review.asp?review=antec1030b&page=1 I found it for $81 on some yahoo store, but shipping was like $30. Egghead.com has UPS ground for $6.95 no matter how much you buy, so I ordered one for me and one for a friend and only got charged $6.95 for shipping. UPS charges around $25 to ship each one. Jay From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Apr 18 15:38:59 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OmniKey keyboard... In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109840@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: Hi, On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > Omnikey's are sweet. But if I don't use a split keyboard, my wrists feel > like someone smashed them with a big hammer. I wish someone would produce > an Omnikey-esque quality split keyboard. I'd pay $200 for one, especially > if it was black. :) Given that a regular Avant Stellar is like $180, I think $200 would be cheap (: But hey, we can ask them... -Yaron -- From simeonuj at eetc.com Wed Apr 18 16:17:59 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] black case References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109841@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <3ADE0440.B1F0D88C@eetc.com> That is so beautiful. Another reason why I love the new Mac also. No more beige. I wish I could justify spending $100 on a case. I would love that thing. sim "Austad, Jay" wrote: > I finally ordered myself a new case. I was going to shell out the $200-$300 > to buy one of those sweet aluminum cases, but they don't have a door in the > front to hide the ugly beige crap that everyone is so bent on still > producing. Did I mention I hate beige? > > Anyway, I bought this guy, the Antec SX1030B SOHO Fileserver: > http://www.egghead.com/category/inv/00031363/03819568.htm > > 4 5.25" bays, 2 external 3.5", 4 internal 3.5", 300W quiet power supply, and > built like a brick shithouse (it weighs 37 pounds) according to all the > reviews. And, the most important part.... IT'S NOT BEIGE! GamePC review > has a good review of it here: > http://www.gamepc.com/reviews/hardware_review.asp?review=antec1030b&page=1 > > I found it for $81 on some yahoo store, but shipping was like $30. > Egghead.com has UPS ground for $6.95 no matter how much you buy, so I > ordered one for me and one for a friend and only got charged $6.95 for > shipping. UPS charges around $25 to ship each one. > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From andy at theasis.com Wed Apr 18 16:24:54 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] black case In-Reply-To: <3ADE0440.B1F0D88C@eetc.com> Message-ID: > That is so beautiful. Another reason why I love the new Mac also. No more > beige. > I wish I could justify spending $100 on a case. I would love that thing. If you can't, then paint your own. In fact, go to a newstand and thumb through the latest Maximum PC to see how to do it, if you're wanting some guidance. Andy > > sim > > "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > > I finally ordered myself a new case. I was going to shell out the $200-$300 > > to buy one of those sweet aluminum cases, but they don't have a door in the > > front to hide the ugly beige crap that everyone is so bent on still > > producing. Did I mention I hate beige? > > > > Anyway, I bought this guy, the Antec SX1030B SOHO Fileserver: > > http://www.egghead.com/category/inv/00031363/03819568.htm > > > > 4 5.25" bays, 2 external 3.5", 4 internal 3.5", 300W quiet power supply, and > > built like a brick shithouse (it weighs 37 pounds) according to all the > > reviews. And, the most important part.... IT'S NOT BEIGE! GamePC review > > has a good review of it here: > > http://www.gamepc.com/reviews/hardware_review.asp?review=antec1030b&page=1 > > > > I found it for $81 on some yahoo store, but shipping was like $30. > > Egghead.com has UPS ground for $6.95 no matter how much you buy, so I > > ordered one for me and one for a friend and only got charged $6.95 for > > shipping. UPS charges around $25 to ship each one. > > > > Jay > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From simeonuj at eetc.com Wed Apr 18 16:41:52 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] black case References: Message-ID: <3ADE09D6.6BF4EBD6@eetc.com> I was thinking about it actually. I was thinking the keyboard and mouse too. That would rule ( grey would match my room. I could go with a really dark grey. I think that would look really cool ). : ) I would do the monitor but I think I'm going to sell it soon ( hopefully ). POS 15" NEC 3V. It's starting to hurt my eyes. Keeps moving and refresh sucks big time. Looks like there is a magnet next to it but there is no electrical equipment within at least 2 feet and that is just the power strip. I can't figure it out. I'll check out Maximum PC. Need any special paint? sim andy@theasis.com wrote: > > That is so beautiful. Another reason why I love the new Mac also. No more > > beige. > > I wish I could justify spending $100 on a case. I would love that thing. > > If you can't, then paint your own. > In fact, go to a newstand and thumb through the latest Maximum PC to see > how to do it, if you're wanting some guidance. > > Andy From dutchman at uswest.net Wed Apr 18 16:41:09 2001 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] black case References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109841@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <3ADE09F5.2E84DEBB@uswest.net> "Austad, Jay" wrote: > 4 5.25" bays, 2 external 3.5", 4 internal 3.5", 300W quiet power supply, and My only question would be: is the power supply Athlon-certified? -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com From simeonuj at eetc.com Wed Apr 18 16:46:53 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Renumbering partitions...REALLY WOULD LIKE SOME POINTERS!! References: <3ADDA7CE.C2F07A2E@eetc.com> Message-ID: <3ADE0B03.A6B214F9@eetc.com> This is really bothering me. Anyone know how to do this? I tried RIP and found out it won't mount the partition because it doesn't have the modules for it. I will have to install RH 7.1 or another distro to mount it and reconfigure it. That sucks. No I don't have a boot disk. sim Simeon Johnston wrote: > I tried installing RH7.1 and all was well until I tried to delete a few > partitions and combine them. > When I recreated the partition it numbered it last instead of in the > order they are on the disk. I tried to use fdisk to renumber them but > it wouldn't save it to the MBR. It would show up on screen as being in > order but when I looked at the partitions again after writing it to disk > nothing had changed. > > Is there a way to renumber partitions? > Is there a different version of fdisk that will do this? > Is all hope lost for my poor MBR? > > sim > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From andy at theasis.com Wed Apr 18 16:49:59 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] black case In-Reply-To: <3ADE09D6.6BF4EBD6@eetc.com> Message-ID: > I was thinking about it actually. I was thinking the keyboard and mouse too. That > would rule ( grey would match my room. I could go with a really dark grey. I > think that would look really cool ). : ) You've got a dark grey room? You live in a cave? > I'll check out Maximum PC. Need any special paint? They recommend auto-body paint. Also always use a primer. It may mean a bit of real money for paint ($20 or so), but then you get exactly the color(s) you want. I'm tempted to try it myself, just for the fun, but I figure that if I do, I'll end up wanting to paint all 8 of my cases. Someone with an entrepeneurial spirit could start a pretty good side business painting cases for people in his spare time. Andy > > sim > > andy@theasis.com wrote: > > > > That is so beautiful. Another reason why I love the new Mac also. No more > > > beige. > > > I wish I could justify spending $100 on a case. I would love that thing. > > > > If you can't, then paint your own. > > In fact, go to a newstand and thumb through the latest Maximum PC to see > > how to do it, if you're wanting some guidance. > > > > Andy From simeonuj at eetc.com Wed Apr 18 17:10:07 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] black case References: Message-ID: <3ADE1072.8D30DAD0@eetc.com> andy@theasis.com wrote: > > I was thinking about it actually. I was thinking the keyboard and mouse too. That > > would rule ( grey would match my room. I could go with a really dark grey. I > > think that would look really cool ). : ) > > You've got a dark grey room? You live in a cave? All grey. I may be slightly color blind but to me it looks more like a blue/grey. I happen to like blue and dark colors compliment my mood most of the time. : ) It isn't actually finished yet. Still needs some construction work but that's what it's going to be. I also have a desk and dresser that are all stained wood. I've got plans for a book case also. It is my room. : ) sim > > I'll check out Maximum PC. Need any special paint? > > They recommend auto-body paint. Also always use a primer. > It may mean a bit of real money for paint ($20 or so), but then you get > exactly the color(s) you want. > > I'm tempted to try it myself, just for the fun, but I figure that if I do, > I'll end up wanting to paint all 8 of my cases. > > Someone with an entrepeneurial spirit could start a pretty good side > business painting cases for people in his spare time. > > Andy From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Apr 18 17:31:13 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] black case Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109842@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> I painted a case purple awhile back. I just bought some nice glossy purple at home depot and some primer. 2 coats of primer, and 2 coats of paint. It's nearly impossible to scratch off. I even painted the cdrom, but I didn't primer it and now the paint is coming off of that. I've had it for probably 4 years, and it still looks good. I didn't really care if I wrecked the cdrom, so I just took it out and painted it without taking the faceplate off. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Simeon Johnston [mailto:simeonuj@eetc.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 5:10 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] black case > > > > > andy@theasis.com wrote: > > > > I was thinking about it actually. I was thinking the > keyboard and mouse too. That > > > would rule ( grey would match my room. I could go with a > really dark grey. I > > > think that would look really cool ). : ) > > > > You've got a dark grey room? You live in a cave? > > All grey. I may be slightly color blind but to me it looks > more like a blue/grey. I > happen to like blue and dark colors compliment my mood most > of the time. > : ) > It isn't actually finished yet. Still needs some > construction work but that's what it's > going to be. I also have a desk and dresser that are all > stained wood. I've got plans > for a book case also. > > It is my room. : ) > > sim > > > > > I'll check out Maximum PC. Need any special paint? > > > > They recommend auto-body paint. Also always use a primer. > > It may mean a bit of real money for paint ($20 or so), but > then you get > > exactly the color(s) you want. > > > > I'm tempted to try it myself, just for the fun, but I > figure that if I do, > > I'll end up wanting to paint all 8 of my cases. > > > > Someone with an entrepeneurial spirit could start a pretty good side > > business painting cases for people in his spare time. > > > > Andy > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Apr 18 17:42:18 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] black case Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109843@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Hrm, doesn't appear to be. Although none of their supplies appear to be. I was thinking that 300 watts was a little on the low side anyway. I'll probably upgrade it. I'd like to get a redundant setup. Not one of those crappy ones with one power cord, but one with 2 cords so I can put one in the UPS and the other into the wall. My UPS has a touchy power switch, and my cats are really satan in disguise and sometimes turn it off when messing around under my desk. > -----Original Message----- > From: Perry Hoekstra [mailto:dutchman@uswest.net] > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 4:41 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] black case > > > "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > > 4 5.25" bays, 2 external 3.5", 4 internal 3.5", 300W quiet > power supply, and > > My only question would be: is the power supply Athlon-certified? > > -- > Perry Hoekstra > E-Commerce Architect > Talent Software Services > perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From drew at usfamily.net Wed Apr 18 12:08:20 2001 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] black case References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109843@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <3ADDCA04.7A8F28B7@usfamily.net> Since most cases are made out of aluminum there is not sense in painting it, because it will simply peel and flake off. What you want to do is get it annodized, single colors are ok but splash annodizing is even sweeter, you can get all kinds of designs. Perhaps a nice Fade like this beuty of mine http://store6.yimg.com/I/actionvillage_1633_25634724. A powder coat may also be considered. But then again, if you truely want a new case why not go with alienware? ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: drew.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 265 bytes Desc: Card for Andrew Nemchenko Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010418/ceba6855/drew.vcf From aton at skyenet.net Wed Apr 18 19:02:41 2001 From: aton at skyenet.net (Aton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Remote X sessions? Message-ID: <200104182356.f3INu2P14918@pop.skyenet.net> What do I need to do on both ends (the server and the workstation) to run a remote X session? thanks, Aton From labmat at mn.mediaone.net Wed Apr 18 19:26:48 2001 From: labmat at mn.mediaone.net (Matthew LaBerge) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] .RAW files Message-ID: Hey guy's, I'm going to install Progeny Debian! However I need to know how to burn these .raw images I just downloaded. I'm sure you can tell that I'm using Windows, but the idea is to be using Linux soon. Anyone know how I burn these images, EZ-CD Creator doesn't have a selection for .raw, only .iso and .cda. For some reason I can't find a converter or 3rd party burning software that supports .raw files. Thanks for the help, Matthew LaBerge labmat@mn.mediaone.net From keyj001 at worldnet.att.net Wed Apr 18 19:44:59 2001 From: keyj001 at worldnet.att.net (Joseph Key) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Remote X sessions? References: <200104182356.f3INu2P14918@pop.skyenet.net> Message-ID: <001301c0c869$f89e0240$6439a8c0@Sakura> What are you trying to do? X windows in Linux supports remote X session usually right out of the box. Joseph Key ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aton" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 7:02 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Remote X sessions? > What do I need to do on both ends (the server and the workstation) to run a > remote X session? > > thanks, > Aton > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Leighann978 at cs.com Wed Apr 18 20:06:09 2001 From: Leighann978 at cs.com (Leighann978@cs.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] It's Bob :-) Linux and CompuServe? Message-ID: I am out in San Franciso and trying to get CompuServe to work with Linux. Any HOWTOs, FAQs, etc? Thanks. From scott.w.fischer at att.net Wed Apr 18 21:43:39 2001 From: scott.w.fischer at att.net (Scott W Fischer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] .RAW files In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01041821433900.01062@scott.imaginivity.net> > I'm going to install Progeny Debian! However I need to know how to > burn these .raw images I just downloaded. I'm sure you can tell that > I'm using Windows, but the idea is to be using Linux soon. Anyone > know how I burn these images, EZ-CD Creator doesn't have a selection > for .raw, only .iso and .cda. For some reason I can't find a > converter or 3rd party burning software that supports .raw files. Rename the .raw to .iso and burn away. -swf -- Scott Fischer - scott.w.fischer@att.net From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Wed Apr 18 22:21:25 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] woody install In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Kevin R. Bullock wrote: > On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > > > How 'bout XFree 4? I had it upgrade itself in the midst of some other > > upgrades to potato (not a dist-upgrade) and it broke good, so I ended up > > ditching something and going back to 3.whatever in potato. Is this > > smoother if you do the whole nine yards in one shot -- a "clean upgrade?" > > Doing an upgrade to XFree 4 on a potato system can break things easily, > because so many things used to depend on xlib6g (in potato) that now (in > woody) depend on xlibs (they changed the package name). If X is part of > your upgrade, you should do the whole thing at once. Yeah, that's what I found too. I ended up sticking with X v3... until I'm ready to go lock stock and barrel. > Once you've upgraded the packages, you should reconfigure X before you > try to run it. (Just in case, disable [xgk]dm before the upgrade.) Also > note that a plain dist-upgrade might not get XFree 4 -- you might want > to play with dselect to get everything to upgrade 'cleanly'. That's just about exactly the way things have been here -- nice to know i'm not the lone ranger! Phil M -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From jack at jacku.com Wed Apr 18 22:23:07 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] It's Bob :-) Linux and CompuServe? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01041822230700.01252@geezer> Assuming its a standard Compuserve POP there used to be a HOWTO for setting it up. You need to do some funky stuff with the dial script. Also you need to make sure you tell CIS (or is it CSI now?) that you want to flip on the ppp support. This is what I had as a cis.chat script. ABORT "NO" ABORT "BUSY" ABORT "ERROR" "" AT OK-AT-OK ATZ OK ATDT722-0017 CONNECT "\r" : CIS : /GO:PPPCONNECT : PPP Hope this gives you a starting place. Contact me off line I have some of the other files so I can pass them on if need be. Jack On Wednesday 18 April 2001 20:06, you wrote: > I am out in San Franciso and trying to get CompuServe to work with Linux. > Any HOWTOs, FAQs, etc? > > Thanks. > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Wed Apr 18 22:25:18 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] black case In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 andy@theasis.com wrote: > They recommend auto-body paint. Also always use a primer. > It may mean a bit of real money for paint ($20 or so), but then you get > exactly the color(s) you want. One other *important* hint -- more than one coat, and DO NOT RUSH THE DRYING TIME. When they say 8 hours between coats, that is not an excuse to glob "as much patience as I have that day." Really; it makes a big difference. > Someone with an entrepeneurial spirit could start a pretty good side > business painting cases for people in his spare time. Someone with an entrepreneruial spirit && a lot of spare time && good ventilation! -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From malkier at mindless.com Wed Apr 18 23:54:39 2001 From: malkier at mindless.com (Malkieri Damodredd) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] It's Bob :-) Linux and CompuServe? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010418235303.00aa61d0@pop1.attglobal.net> I found this link very helpful. Not sure if it will help you with CompuServe... http://axion.physics.ubc.ca/ppp-linux.html At 09:06 PM 4/18/2001 -0400, you wrote: >I am out in San Franciso and trying to get CompuServe to work with Linux. Any >HOWTOs, FAQs, etc? > >Thanks. >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu Thu Apr 19 01:23:11 2001 From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Indy and CDROM problems In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010418235303.00aa61d0@pop1.attglobal.net> Message-ID: I'm having trouble getting a cdroms to work with my sgi indy. Has anyone else had cdrom problems with their indys? Does anyone else know what may be goin wrong. Colin Kilbane From fertch at mninter.net Thu Apr 19 05:19:59 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Remote X sessions? References: <200104182356.f3INu2P14918@pop.skyenet.net> <001301c0c869$f89e0240$6439a8c0@Sakura> Message-ID: <3ADEBBCF.67EB149F@mninter.net> I think he's looking for what command he needs to run to initiate this. Typically, to start X you just type in "startx." But if you're trying to start x from another box, would it be "startx 10.0.x.x" or "start " or the like. Of course both machines have to have X running to do this. I've been wondering how this is done myself, but have seriously been lacking in time to do any research on how to do it. At work I run either a telnet session to the Unix servers I work on through my linux box, or if I have to run an X-windows session I go to my Win2k laptop and run Exceed sessions. If I can eliminate the use of the Exceed session, that's one more step I can eliminate for having to use windows. Joseph Key wrote: > > What are you trying to do? X windows in Linux supports remote X session > usually right out of the box. > > Joseph Key > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Aton" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 7:02 PM > Subject: [TCLUG] Remote X sessions? > > > What do I need to do on both ends (the server and the workstation) to run > a > > remote X session? > > > > thanks, > > Aton From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Thu Apr 19 05:53:00 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Indy and CDROM problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Colin Kilbane wrote: > I'm having trouble getting a cdroms to work with my sgi indy. Has anyone > else had cdrom problems with their indys? Does anyone else know what may > be goin wrong. Speculation: might you be trying IDE CD-ROM's, when the Indy only supports a SCSI drive? -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From pc451 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 19 07:31:20 2001 From: pc451 at yahoo.com (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Progeny Debian was .RAW files In-Reply-To: <01041821433900.01062@scott.imaginivity.net> Message-ID: <20010419123120.53451.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> > I'm going to install Progeny Debian! However I need to know how to > burn these .raw images I just downloaded. I'm sure you can tell that > I'm using Windows, but the idea is to be using Linux soon. Anyone > know how I burn these images, EZ-CD Creator doesn't have a selection > for .raw, only .iso and .cda. For some reason I can't find a > converter or 3rd party burning software that supports .raw files. Scott already mentioned that you should just rename .raw to .iso, but I would like to request that you give the group a review of Progeny Debian if you have the time and desire to do so. I am interested in switching from Mandrake 7.2, but have not had the chance to do so yet. I would like to know if it's worth my time and effort to install it on my laptop. (I'm planning on getting a new computer in about a month, but my laptop's fate has not yet been decided.) Thanks, :Peter __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From rsinland at gvtel.com Thu Apr 19 07:44:39 2001 From: rsinland at gvtel.com (Robert Sinland) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] black case References: Message-ID: <3ADEDDB7.61F77B38@gvtel.com> Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 andy@theasis.com wrote: > > > They recommend auto-body paint. Also always use a primer. > > It may mean a bit of real money for paint ($20 or so), but then you get > > exactly the color(s) you want. > > One other *important* hint -- more than one coat, and DO NOT RUSH THE > DRYING TIME. When they say 8 hours between coats, that is not an excuse > to glob "as much patience as I have that day." Really; it makes a big > difference. > > > Someone with an entrepeneurial spirit could start a pretty good side > > business painting cases for people in his spare time. > > Someone with an entrepreneruial spirit && a lot of spare time && good > ventilation! > > -- Just to interject an undoubtedly beer derived idea, as a sorta woodworker in my spare time I was wondering if anyone had considered making one from a nice variety of hardwood, say Black Walnut? Off the top it's just a brain fart, but with the right grounding etc... Maybe I should stick to chess boards :) RS From pc451 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 19 07:50:57 2001 From: pc451 at yahoo.com (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Augh! Too many choices, too fast! Message-ID: <20010419125057.63533.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com> So I was browsing slashdot when lo! what did my wondering eyes behold? Mandrake 8.0 has been released unto a waiting world! And here I was, all set to go with Progeny. After all, I tell myself, I am sick of those incepid (sp? It's not even eight in the @#$%! morning) Mandrake penguins and the lack of apt-get goodness. But it's _soo_ bleeding edge. XFree 4.0.3 and kernal 2.4.3 (the article was mistaken about it being 4.0.2 and 2.4.2), Evolution 0.9, Nautilus, KDE 2.1 and GNOME 1.4...mmm, latest binary goodness. Choices, choices, choices! What ever am I to do? :Peter __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dhanson2 at uswest.net Thu Apr 19 08:21:41 2001 From: dhanson2 at uswest.net (Doug Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake 8.0 Message-ID: <002401c0c8d3$acb854b0$eaaf7a81@doug> Slashdot has posted Mandrake 8.0 is on several mirrors :)~ Here is the post: New Mandrake 8.0 is finally out. Official announcement will come today, but new ISO files are already on some of mirrors. Main improvements are kernel =2.4.3, KDE =2.1.1, GNOME 1.4, Nautilus 1.0, Evolution 0.9, XFree86 =4.0.3, RPM 4.0, improved installer with pictures and other nice stuff. Enjoy Doug Hanson President Highland Computing dhanson2@qwest.net http://www.highlandcomputing.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010419/7954e7f9/attachment.htm From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Thu Apr 19 08:20:34 2001 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Indy and CDROM problems In-Reply-To: ; from colin@tyr.med.umn.edu on Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 01:23:11AM -0500 References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010418235303.00aa61d0@pop1.attglobal.net> Message-ID: <20010419082034.A3830@sorry.cs.umn.edu> You can't just throw any SCSI cdrom on an Indy. In many cases, you may need to flash the firmware on the CDROM to the latest version in order to support some of the funky stuff that SGI SCSI controllers do. I have no idea which CDROMs are specifically supported, however (except those from SGI, of course). I have seen an external Yamaha CDR work on an Indy though, but only after an update to a beta firmware. This of course may not be your problem at all. Gabe On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 01:23:11AM -0500, Colin Kilbane wrote: > I'm having trouble getting a cdroms to work with my sgi indy. Has anyone > else had cdrom problems with their indys? Does anyone else know what may > be goin wrong. > > Colin Kilbane > > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "The primitive Christians thought persecution extremely wrong in the Pagans, but practiced it on one another." - Benjamin Franklin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From nate at nerp.net Thu Apr 19 08:23:25 2001 From: nate at nerp.net (Nate Sanders) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] black case References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109841@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <3ADEE6CD.F86A4451@nerp.net> I got that same case yesterday. Cept it's white, because I was unaware of a black design. This case is sooooo nice! "Austad, Jay" wrote: > I finally ordered myself a new case. I was going to shell out the $200-$300 > to buy one of those sweet aluminum cases, but they don't have a door in the > front to hide the ugly beige crap that everyone is so bent on still > producing. Did I mention I hate beige? > > Anyway, I bought this guy, the Antec SX1030B SOHO Fileserver: > http://www.egghead.com/category/inv/00031363/03819568.htm > > 4 5.25" bays, 2 external 3.5", 4 internal 3.5", 300W quiet power supply, and > built like a brick shithouse (it weighs 37 pounds) according to all the > reviews. And, the most important part.... IT'S NOT BEIGE! GamePC review > has a good review of it here: > http://www.gamepc.com/reviews/hardware_review.asp?review=antec1030b&page=1 > > I found it for $81 on some yahoo store, but shipping was like $30. > Egghead.com has UPS ground for $6.95 no matter how much you buy, so I > ordered one for me and one for a friend and only got charged $6.95 for > shipping. UPS charges around $25 to ship each one. > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Nate Sanders nate@chef.nerp.net http://www.damnation.net IRC: darkskull@NEWNET From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Thu Apr 19 08:30:42 2001 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] black case In-Reply-To: ; from andy@theasis.com on Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 04:49:59PM -0500 References: <3ADE09D6.6BF4EBD6@eetc.com> Message-ID: <20010419083042.A3860@sorry.cs.umn.edu> > Someone with an entrepeneurial spirit could start a pretty good side > business painting cases for people in his spare time. > You mean like these guys? http://www.computersdivine.com/colorind.htm :) Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Today, we stalk the wily, speckled throated, burrowing, five-toed yak." - Marlin Hoek (Ren) in "Nature Show" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jamie at getsetnet.net Thu Apr 19 08:39:48 2001 From: jamie at getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] black case:CDROM In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109841@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: Does anyone know where I can get CDROM's that don't use trays to load the CD's? For example, a CD in a player accepts CD's without the trays, and I have seen a couple around on Compaqs, but is there an aftermarket seller of this type? Also, I am looking for an analog meter to put on my case that indicates RAM consumption. Is any hardware available for anything like this? - Jamie On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > I finally ordered myself a new case. I was going to shell out the $200-$300 > to buy one of those sweet aluminum cases, but they don't have a door in the > front to hide the ugly beige crap that everyone is so bent on still > producing. Did I mention I hate beige? > > Anyway, I bought this guy, the Antec SX1030B SOHO Fileserver: > http://www.egghead.com/category/inv/00031363/03819568.htm > > 4 5.25" bays, 2 external 3.5", 4 internal 3.5", 300W quiet power supply, and > built like a brick shithouse (it weighs 37 pounds) according to all the > reviews. And, the most important part.... IT'S NOT BEIGE! GamePC review > has a good review of it here: > http://www.gamepc.com/reviews/hardware_review.asp?review=antec1030b&page=1 > > I found it for $81 on some yahoo store, but shipping was like $30. > Egghead.com has UPS ground for $6.95 no matter how much you buy, so I > ordered one for me and one for a friend and only got charged $6.95 for > shipping. UPS charges around $25 to ship each one. > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- "It's pretty hard to stop a man who eats his toast every morning." From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Thu Apr 19 08:50:56 2001 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] black case:CDROM In-Reply-To: ; from jamie@getsetnet.net on Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 08:39:48AM -0500 References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109841@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010419085056.B3860@sorry.cs.umn.edu> On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 08:39:48AM -0500, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > > > > Does anyone know where I can get CDROM's that don't use trays to load > the CD's? For example, a CD in a player accepts CD's without the trays, > and I have seen a couple around on Compaqs, but is there an aftermarket > seller of this type? > > Also, I am looking for an analog meter to put on my case that > indicates RAM consumption. Is any hardware available for anything like > this? > > > - Jamie Pioneer has a line of DVD-ROMs that are slot loading instead of tray loading. Every review I've seen of them says they're top-notch. I haven't seen any slot loading CD-ROMs however. Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Today, we stalk the wily, speckled throated, burrowing, five-toed yak." - Marlin Hoek (Ren) in "Nature Show" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jeffr at odeon.net Thu Apr 19 09:09:42 2001 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Remote X sessions? In-Reply-To: <3ADEBBCF.67EB149F@mninter.net> Message-ID: You could always use ssh (and turn on x-session forwarding). See www.openssh.org for more information. You could also use VNC. Jeff On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Shawn wrote: > I think he's looking for what command he needs to run to initiate this. > Typically, to start X you just type in "startx." But if you're trying > to start x from another box, would it be "startx 10.0.x.x" or "start > " or the like. Of course both machines have to have X running > to do this. > > I've been wondering how this is done myself, but have seriously been > lacking in time to do any research on how to do it. At work I run > either a telnet session to the Unix servers I work on through my linux > box, or if I have to run an X-windows session I go to my Win2k laptop > and run Exceed sessions. If I can eliminate the use of the Exceed > session, that's one more step I can eliminate for having to use windows. > > > > Joseph Key wrote: > > > > What are you trying to do? X windows in Linux supports remote X session > > usually right out of the box. > > > > Joseph Key > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Aton" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 7:02 PM > > Subject: [TCLUG] Remote X sessions? > > > > > What do I need to do on both ends (the server and the workstation) to run > > a > > > remote X session? > > > > > > thanks, > > > Aton > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From simeonuj at eetc.com Thu Apr 19 09:06:22 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Augh! Too many choices, too fast! References: <20010419125057.63533.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3ADEF0D7.B8EDAD6E@eetc.com> Dual boot. : ) As for me, I tried the beta and it was pretty cool but didn't work correctly on my system. I will definitely try this out though. Quad boot anyone? : ) sim Peter Clark wrote: > So I was browsing slashdot when lo! what did my wondering eyes > behold? Mandrake 8.0 has been released unto a waiting world! And here I > was, all set to go with Progeny. After all, I tell myself, I am sick of > those incepid (sp? It's not even eight in the @#$%! morning) Mandrake > penguins and the lack of apt-get goodness. But it's _soo_ bleeding > edge. XFree 4.0.3 and kernal 2.4.3 (the article was mistaken about it > being 4.0.2 and 2.4.2), Evolution 0.9, Nautilus, KDE 2.1 and GNOME > 1.4...mmm, latest binary goodness. > Choices, choices, choices! What ever am I to do? > :Peter From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Thu Apr 19 09:15:17 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] black case:CDROM In-Reply-To: ; from jamie@getsetnet.net on Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 08:39:48AM -0500 References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109841@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010419091516.A14285@baker.space.umn.edu> On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 08:39:48AM -0500, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > > Also, I am looking for an analog meter to put on my case that > indicates RAM consumption. Is any hardware available for anything like > this? I know I've seen this kind of mod listed on slasdot before, but I quick search there didn't turn up anything promising. Google came through though, see for example: http://www.smokinmhz.com/articles/vumeter/vumeter1.shtml -- Jim Crumley | crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Thu Apr 19 09:17:42 2001 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Remote X sessions? In-Reply-To: ; from jeffr@odeon.net on Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 09:09:42AM -0500 References: <3ADEBBCF.67EB149F@mninter.net> Message-ID: <20010419091742.C3860@sorry.cs.umn.edu> It sounds like he just wants to query a remote X server. There are two easy solutions I know of, providing you're not worried about encryption: 1) Without an X server running on your local machine: X -query remote_machine:0 2) While in X on your local machine: Xnest remote_machine:0 Xnest isn't usually installed by default, so you may need to install it. It doesn't come with the XFree distriubtion (I believe it's Xnest.tgz). It opens a remote X sessions in a new window. This is the way we had to do it before ssh :) Now, I just run my apps through ssh since it's much less cumbersome and it's encrypted. Gabe On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 09:09:42AM -0500, jeffr@odeon.net wrote: > > You could always use ssh (and turn on x-session forwarding). See > www.openssh.org for more information. You could also use VNC. > > Jeff > > > On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Shawn wrote: > > > I think he's looking for what command he needs to run to initiate this. > > Typically, to start X you just type in "startx." But if you're trying > > to start x from another box, would it be "startx 10.0.x.x" or "start > > " or the like. Of course both machines have to have X running > > to do this. > > > > I've been wondering how this is done myself, but have seriously been > > lacking in time to do any research on how to do it. At work I run > > either a telnet session to the Unix servers I work on through my linux > > box, or if I have to run an X-windows session I go to my Win2k laptop > > and run Exceed sessions. If I can eliminate the use of the Exceed > > session, that's one more step I can eliminate for having to use windows. > > -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Today, we stalk the wily, speckled throated, burrowing, five-toed yak." - Marlin Hoek (Ren) in "Nature Show" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Thu Apr 19 09:28:38 2001 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Remote X sessions? In-Reply-To: <20010419091742.C3860@sorry.cs.umn.edu>; from dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu on Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 09:17:42AM -0500 References: <3ADEBBCF.67EB149F@mninter.net> <20010419091742.C3860@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010419092838.D3860@sorry.cs.umn.edu> > It doesn't come with the XFree distriubtion (I believe it's Xnest.tgz). It > opens a remote X sessions in a new window. Ummm.. This should read, "it _does_ come with the XFree distribution..." :) Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Today, we stalk the wily, speckled throated, burrowing, five-toed yak." - Marlin Hoek (Ren) in "Nature Show" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From andy at theasis.com Thu Apr 19 09:44:13 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT wack case, etc. In-Reply-To: <3ADEDDB7.61F77B38@gvtel.com> Message-ID: > Just to interject an undoubtedly beer derived idea, as a sorta woodworker > in my spare time I was wondering if anyone had considered making one from > a nice variety of hardwood, say Black Walnut? > Off the top it's just a brain fart, but with the right grounding etc... > Maybe I should stick to chess boards :) > RS I thought about it a few years ago, but never got motivated enough to do it. Mainly because every time you buy a component with an external facing, such as a cdrom drive, you have to either make a new bezel for it, or somehow a closing door that covers the ugly plastic. Then you have the problem of the thickness. If you don't make it out of plywood (and maybe even if you do), then you have to make the case, or at least the frame, kind of thick -- say corner pieces on the order of 1x2. That makes it kind of bulky pretty quick. Besides, on the outside it's just a box. Not especially inspiring, or challenging. Not too long ago (maybe a year) I did see some website advertising wooden cases and even a wooden mouse. Overall, tho, my conclusion was that I'm not motivated to make anything out of wood just because it would be different, or because I can. It really needs to make sense, design-wise. More interesting to me has been designing work surfaces for using multiple computers from one seat, to improve upon the stupid (ergonomically) L-shaped arrangement that's so common. Andy From blayer at integraonline.com Thu Apr 19 09:32:52 2001 From: blayer at integraonline.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:23 2005 Subject: Analog RAM meter (was Re: [TCLUG] black case:CDROM) In-Reply-To: <20010419085056.B3860@sorry.cs.umn.edu> References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109841@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> <20010419085056.B3860@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010419093252.52afbad8.blayer@integraonline.com> Hi, On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 08:50:56 -0500 dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > > Also, I am looking for an analog meter to put on my case that > > indicates RAM consumption. Is any hardware available for anything like > > this? What an interesting idea... RAM consumption is available as a raw figure, which can be translated into a ratio. Ditto for CPU usage. I can think of a couple of ways to implement this. 1) With an add-in 8 or 16 bit analog controller board. This would be the easiest approach, you will need to write a daemon ('meterd'?) that monitors the usage, translates it into a simple figure and constantly updates the controller, say every few seconds? Most controllers have more than one channel, so it would be just as easy to have the 'meterd' update figures for CPU, Net, RAM etc. Obviously, it will help if the controller board has low-level linux drivers avaialble. Drive a bank of meters with this option. 2) With a custom built 8 or 16-bit D/A converter, interfaced to the PC parallel port. Use the parport_pc and ppdev kernel modules, and write a user-space driver to accomplish the same as in #1, only you will have a very complicated experience if you want more than one channel of metering. That's all I can think of, does anyone know of a simple, cheap legacy analog controller board with low-level linux support? :) Bill From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Apr 19 10:06:25 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (lxy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] black case Message-ID: <3adefef1.3572.269167349@cloudnet.com> Jay writes: > I'd like to get a redundant setup. Not one of those > crappy ones with one > power cord, but one with 2 cords so I can put one in the > UPS and the other > into the wall. Brian replies: Ok, I have a question. I've got a 300 watt P/S in my case and I managed to overload it running my 233 MMX and a few essential components. In theory, I could add another 300 watt (ok, maybe 400), and Y cable the 2 ATX connectors together so I share 700 watts of power. Is there such an adapter or am I asking for trouble by trying to do this? It should work in theory, but I've been wrong before :-) Also, adding to the case painting thread, is there a GOOD way to paint a case chrome? I've seen chrome paint give more of a dull chrome look, I want something that's blinding to look at(SGI toaster type look). Is this even possible with the right type of paint? $400 for a chrome case isn't an option right now, but I'd love a chrome look. From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Apr 19 10:14:22 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] black case Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109846@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> > Also, adding to the case painting thread, is there a GOOD > way > to paint a case chrome? Have it sandblasted down to the bare metal, and take it in and have it plated. There's a place on the corner of Stinson and Hennepin in Minneapolis that will do stuff like that. They even do gold plating. :) > -----Original Message----- > From: lxy [mailto:lxy@cloudnet.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 10:06 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: RE: [TCLUG] black case > > > Jay writes: > > > I'd like to get a redundant setup. Not one of those > > crappy ones with one > > power cord, but one with 2 cords so I can put one in the > > UPS and the other > > into the wall. > > Brian replies: > > Ok, I have a question. I've got a 300 watt P/S in my case > and I managed to overload it running my 233 MMX and a few > essential components. In theory, I could add another 300 > watt (ok, maybe 400), and Y cable the 2 ATX connectors > together so I share 700 watts of power. Is there such an > adapter or am I asking for trouble by trying to do this? It > should work in theory, but I've been wrong before :-) > > Also, adding to the case painting thread, is there a GOOD > way > to paint a case chrome? I've seen chrome paint give more of > a dull chrome look, I want something that's blinding to look > at(SGI toaster type look). Is this even possible with the > right type of paint? $400 for a chrome case isn't an option > right now, but I'd love a chrome look. > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Thu Apr 19 10:15:41 2001 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] black case In-Reply-To: <3adefef1.3572.269167349@cloudnet.com>; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 03:06:25PM +0000 References: <3adefef1.3572.269167349@cloudnet.com> Message-ID: <20010419101541.E3860@sorry.cs.umn.edu> > Also, adding to the case painting thread, is there a GOOD > way > to paint a case chrome? I've seen chrome paint give more of > a dull chrome look, I want something that's blinding to look > at(SGI toaster type look). Is this even possible with the > right type of paint? $400 for a chrome case isn't an option > right now, but I'd love a chrome look. I'd guess if you actually wanted a chrome case, you'd need to strip your case of plastic, sand any paint off of it, and have it chrome dipped. You can have chrome dipping done at places like car body shops and machine shops and such. I'd guess that it would cost you a lot more than getting something like the CoolerMaster ATC 201 - which is a really nice polished aluminum. You can see your reflection in it, but it's not "mirror-like" like chrome would be. Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Today, we stalk the wily, speckled throated, burrowing, five-toed yak." - Marlin Hoek (Ren) in "Nature Show" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Apr 19 10:21:31 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] black case Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109847@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> > Just to interject an undoubtedly beer derived idea, as a > sorta woodworker > in my spare time I was wondering if anyone had considered > making one from > a nice variety of hardwood, say Black Walnut? > Off the top it's just a brain fart, but with the right > grounding etc... > Maybe I should stick to chess boards :) > RS A darker burled walnut case would be awesome. That 70's look. You'd want a door on the front to hide all of the ugly cdrom's and crap. Probably the best way to do it is to just buy a case you like, and strip off the faceplate and panels and make new ones out of wood. If you did use burled walnut with a dark reddish stain, you could put an analog stereo VU meter in the front (like someone just mentioned) to top off that 70's look. :) Unfortunately, since I live in an apartment now, I don't have a garage anymore to make any wonderful creations. Of course, garages and me always seem to produce devices which get me in trouble (like the air powered screwdriver gun, or the harley davidson golf cart with a snowmobile motor and 4 wheeler wheels, or the ether powered potato canon, etc...). Give me a welder and a garage and I'll be amused endlessly. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Sinland [mailto:rsinland@gvtel.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 7:45 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] black case > > > > > Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > > > On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 andy@theasis.com wrote: > > > > > They recommend auto-body paint. Also always use a primer. > > > It may mean a bit of real money for paint ($20 or so), > but then you get > > > exactly the color(s) you want. > > > > One other *important* hint -- more than one coat, and DO > NOT RUSH THE > > DRYING TIME. When they say 8 hours between coats, that is > not an excuse > > to glob "as much patience as I have that day." Really; it > makes a big > > difference. > > > > > Someone with an entrepeneurial spirit could start a > pretty good side > > > business painting cases for people in his spare time. > > > > Someone with an entrepreneruial spirit && a lot of spare > time && good > > ventilation! > > > > -- > > Just to interject an undoubtedly beer derived idea, as a > sorta woodworker > in my spare time I was wondering if anyone had considered > making one from > a nice variety of hardwood, say Black Walnut? > Off the top it's just a brain fart, but with the right > grounding etc... > Maybe I should stick to chess boards :) > RS > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jethro at yaron.org Thu Apr 19 10:25:53 2001 From: jethro at yaron.org (jethro@yaron.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] black case In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109847@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109847@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <987693953.3adf0381d1e64@dragon> Hi, Quoting "Austad, Jay" : > or the ether powered potato canon, etc...). You put an ethernet port on your potato canon??!? -Yaron -- From jethro at yaron.org Thu Apr 19 10:23:53 2001 From: jethro at yaron.org (jethro@yaron.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:23 2005 Subject: Analog RAM meter (was Re: [TCLUG] black case:CDROM) In-Reply-To: <20010419093252.52afbad8.blayer@integraonline.com> References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109841@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> <20010419085056.B3860@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <20010419093252.52afbad8.blayer@integraonline.com> Message-ID: <987693833.3adf03098e536@dragon> Hi, Quoting Bill Layer : > What an interesting idea... RAM consumption is available as a raw > figure, which can be translated into a ratio. Ditto for CPU usage. I can > think of a couple of ways to implement this. It is interesting. Writing a daemon to do that should be easy, if you know how to access the card... heck, have a shellscript dump /dev/whatever into it. I like the idea of analog gauges showing RAM/swap/CPU status (: rings up another question: where do you find really cool gauges... -Yaron -- From chrome at real-time.com Thu Apr 19 10:38:56 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Indy and CDROM problems In-Reply-To: ; from colin@tyr.med.umn.edu on Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 01:23:11AM -0500 References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010418235303.00aa61d0@pop1.attglobal.net> Message-ID: <20010419103856.D14503@real-time.com> > I'm having trouble getting a cdroms to work with my sgi indy. Has anyone > else had cdrom problems with their indys? Does anyone else know what may > be goin wrong. I seem to remember something about SPARCs needing SCSI CD-ROM drives with a 512-byte blocksize instead of the 2k blocksize that most PC SCSI CD-ROM drives have. (tho supposedly it'll sometimes work anyway). SGIs may have a similar issue. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Apr 19 10:43:06 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT wack case, etc. Message-ID: <3adf078a.56d1.269167349@cloudnet.com> > > Just to interject an undoubtedly beer derived idea, as > a sorta woodworker > > in my spare time I was wondering if anyone had > considered making one from > > a nice variety of hardwood, say Black Walnut? > > Off the top it's just a brain fart, but with the right > grounding etc... > > Maybe I should stick to chess boards :) I think a wood case would look really cool, personally. I think the thickness of the wood would be a problem though. Plus I don't think wood is all that geeky compared to shiny metal. What would you think about taking a metal case and decking it out with a wood vaneer (Waynescoating, etc)? I think that would combine the best of both worlds.. the strength and mobility of a good metal case and the nice look of wood. From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Thu Apr 19 10:49:44 2001 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] black case Message-ID: Have you tried using bright white primer behind the chrome paint? Or failing that, a bright white flat finish paint over a gray primer? The right background can make all the difference in the world. That and the patience to wait for the paint to set up nicely between coats (as mention before, but bears repeating). >>> lxy@cloudnet.com 04/19/01 10:06AM >>> Also, adding to the case painting thread, is there a GOOD way to paint a case chrome? I've seen chrome paint give more of a dull chrome look, I want something that's blinding to look at(SGI toaster type look). Is this even possible with the right type of paint? $400 for a chrome case isn't an option right now, but I'd love a chrome look. From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Thu Apr 19 10:56:26 2001 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT wack case, etc. Message-ID: This made me think of the minivans and stationwagons with the fake wood paneling. Eeuw! Cases might look nice covered in wood, but please don't put a wood "racing strip" on you box. ;-) >>> lxy@cloudnet.com 04/19/01 10:43AM >>> What would you think about taking a metal case and decking it out with a wood vaneer (Waynescoating, etc)? From simeonuj at eetc.com Thu Apr 19 11:08:50 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] black case References: <3ADEDDB7.61F77B38@gvtel.com> Message-ID: <3ADF0D8B.B216915D@eetc.com> I once saw a website that was showing a bunch of pictures of custom cases that people had sent in. They were pretty cool. One guy sent in a request for info on building the computer into his dresser. He said he was going built it in and have the KB and mouse a pull out drawer with the monitor on top. That would be cool. I didn't see whether he finished or not and I lost the bookmark. Oh well. Sounds like a good idea for a desk. : ) Thinking of using some old POS and installing into my desk. Get a monitor/KB/mouse switch and I can use it to automate my room. X10 has some great stuff. Maybe I should get a mac for that though. I could use the voice command and rig up some really cool stuff. I think I might be getting carried away but it is just such a cool idea. sim Robert Sinland wrote: > Just to interject an undoubtedly beer derived idea, as a sorta woodworker > in my spare time I was wondering if anyone had considered making one from > a nice variety of hardwood, say Black Walnut? > Off the top it's just a brain fart, but with the right grounding etc... > Maybe I should stick to chess boards :) > RS From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Apr 19 11:14:43 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT wack case, etc. Message-ID: <3adf0ef3.6f53.269167349@cloudnet.com> > This made me think of the minivans and stationwagons with > the fake wood paneling. Eeuw! Cases might look nice > covered in wood, but please don't put a wood "racing > strip" on you box. > ;-) Hey now... that wood paneling on my car acts as a theft deterent! I wonder if it would act the same on a computer, not that I have a problem with computer theft though. From Leighann978 at cs.com Thu Apr 19 11:13:18 2001 From: Leighann978 at cs.com (Leighann978@cs.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] It's Bob :-) Linux and CompuServe? Message-ID: I cannot email you offline. The only way I am reading the lug postings if via the web and it hides people's email addresses: This is what I had as a cis.chat script. ABORT "NO" ABORT "BUSY" ABORT "ERROR" "" AT OK-AT-OK ATZ OK ATDT722-0017 CONNECT "\r" : CIS : /GO:PPPCONNECT : PPP I am using CompuServe 2000 and when I call the local access number I get a Lucent TNT login banner and a Login: prompt. Try they above script, I put "CIS" for the login and then it ask for a password which is use the CIS ID/GO, but it immediately comes back invalid. From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Apr 19 11:23:55 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:24 2005 Subject: Analog RAM meter (was Re: [TCLUG] black case:CDROM) Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109848@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> > rings up another question: where do you find really cool gauges... Buy yourself some old stereo equipment off ebay. The round VU meters like Harmon Kardon uses would be perfect, they have blue backlighting too. Of course, used Harmon Kardon is probably going to be expensive, but you could probably find some old Marantz gear for cheap. > -----Original Message----- > From: jethro@yaron.org [mailto:jethro@yaron.org] > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 10:24 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: Analog RAM meter (was Re: [TCLUG] black case:CDROM) > > > Hi, > > Quoting Bill Layer : > > > What an interesting idea... RAM consumption is available as a raw > > figure, which can be translated into a ratio. Ditto for CPU > usage. I can > > think of a couple of ways to implement this. > > It is interesting. Writing a daemon to do that should be > easy, if you know how > to access the card... heck, have a shellscript dump > /dev/whatever into it. > > I like the idea of analog gauges showing RAM/swap/CPU status (: > > rings up another question: where do you find really cool gauges... > > -Yaron > > -- > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From sraun at fireopal.org Thu Apr 19 11:36:09 2001 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] black case In-Reply-To: <987693953.3adf0381d1e64@dragon>; from jethro@yaron.org on Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 10:25:53AM -0500 References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109847@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> <987693953.3adf0381d1e64@dragon> Message-ID: <20010419113609.A2720@iaxs.net> On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 10:25:53AM -0500, jethro@yaron.org wrote: > > Quoting "Austad, Jay" : > > > or the ether powered potato canon, etc...). > > You put an ethernet port on your potato canon??!? Nah, he anesthetized it. -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Apr 19 11:28:56 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Power Supply (was: Re: black case) In-Reply-To: <3adefef1.3572.269167349@cloudnet.com> References: <3adefef1.3572.269167349@cloudnet.com> Message-ID: <20010419112856.19a4038a.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> > Ok, I have a question. I've got a 300 watt P/S in my case > and I managed to overload it running my 233 MMX and a few > essential components. In theory, I could add another 300 > watt (ok, maybe 400), and Y cable the 2 ATX connectors > together so I share 700 watts of power. Is there such an > adapter or am I asking for trouble by trying to do this? It > should work in theory, but I've been wrong before :-) If you're burning out a 300W P/S with just a few components, I'd have to think that at least one piece of your hardware has a fault in it. I could see this happening if you were running a fast Athlon (those things apparently take over 70 Watts of power), but not much else.. I think I'd just recommend getting a better power supply. Also, do you have enough ventilation? Maybe something overheated.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I got a garage door / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ opener. It can't close. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) Just open. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Apr 19 11:42:48 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian on Sparc In-Reply-To: <3ADB2581.FFE62C53@nerp.net> References: <3ADB2581.FFE62C53@nerp.net> Message-ID: <20010419114248.7f73949e.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Nate Sanders wrote: > > How does Debian work on a SS20? I have yet to see someone running it on > a sparc. How well does it run? I would be using this as a workstation > mainly. Just need X, Sound, and BitchX :-] > > Anything I should go look into for more info about installing it? Whoops, this reply is a few days late.. I got a dual-processor SPARCServer 20 running Debian not too long ago. It doesn't have the capability to boot from CD, but that's okay, since it's faster to use boot floppies and install over the network from a nearby host than to go off the single- or dual-speed drive that's already in it. I will say that it is slow ;-) It'd work for BitchX but I wouldn't try making it play MP3s (well, maybe the dual system could do it, but..) I tried using it for a while as a workstation, which had it's ups and downs. The 8bpp framebuffer on it appeared to be faster than the PCI video card in my PC at work (which is where the SS20 is), but like I said, it's only 8bpp, and that gets to be really annoying after a while. I would have kept using it, but something inside it was making a very loud noise (not sure if it was a fan or the hard drive -- I should figure that out at some point ;-) Also, the display I have with it has a broken red gun (or some wire leading to it), so it was dim and hard to read. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Support bacteria - / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ they're the only culture \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) some people have. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Apr 19 11:51:42 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Power Supply (was: Re: black case) Message-ID: <3adf179e.c3a.269167349@cloudnet.com> Mike said: > If you're burning out a 300W P/S with just a few > components, I'd have to > think that at least one piece of your hardware has a fault > in it. I could > see this happening if you were running a fast Athlon > (those things > apparently take over 70 Watts of power), but not much > else.. I think I'd > just recommend getting a better power supply. Also, do > you have enough > ventilation? Maybe something overheated.. Brian says: I may have a heat problem. The reason I'm looking at the dual P/S option is because I want to run so much more.. BIG fans, lots of hard drives, tape drive, CD writer, DVD, and of course an Athlon with some hefty components. I currently have 2 fans but I usually run with one side off the case. I have a couple nice 5" fans that are begging to be set up as a wind tunnel kind of thing but I need more power to do that. From esper at sherohman.org Thu Apr 19 12:09:15 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Power Supply (was: Re: black case) In-Reply-To: <3adf179e.c3a.269167349@cloudnet.com>; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 04:51:42PM +0000 References: <3adf179e.c3a.269167349@cloudnet.com> Message-ID: <20010419120915.C441@sherohman.org> On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 04:51:42PM +0000, Brian wrote: > I currently > have 2 fans but I usually run with one side off the case. Put the side back on your case unless you've got external fans pointed at the exposed side. If your case is reasonably well-designed, you should get the best air flow by letting the sides channel the air through it like they're designed to do. (Do you catch more of a breeze by standing in a wind tunnel or by putting a fan in your front door and standing in the living room? Why should your computer's case be any different?) Of course, if you're monitoring your CPU temperature and have seen it drop after taking the side off, you can feel free to ignore me. I'm just repeating things that I've heard elsewhere and never tested (I've never had heat problems in my boxen), but they seem reasonable. -- That's not gibberish... It's Linux. - Byers, The Lone Gunmen Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From simeonuj at eetc.com Thu Apr 19 12:28:28 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:24 2005 Subject: Analog RAM meter (was Re: [TCLUG] black case:CDROM) References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109848@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <3ADF202C.D1250F31@eetc.com> I was just thinking stereo meters would look really cool. IMHO -- It would look especially cool if you could put them on the front of you case. Not in a drive bay but cut out a section of plastic/metal and form it to fit you case perfectly as if it was supposed to be there. Not easy but it woul look pretty damn good especially on a black case. : ) I got an old laptop that I could f* up all I want. Can anyone think of some way to put a meter in a IBM 755CE laptop? I am going to replace the internal speaker with some kind of LED light so I don't have to hear that damn beeping when the battery starts to run out. It would rock to install some sort of meter for battery power. I like the black color also but the logos have to go. I could do some good stuff to my tower. I am not planning on selling it ...... ever. My experience with linux has taught me that it will be a long time before this thing becomes useless. Man I am getting some good ideas from you guys. I want to skip work and go buy some paint and a welding torch now. :-) sim "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > rings up another question: where do you find really cool gauges... > > Buy yourself some old stereo equipment off ebay. The round VU meters like > Harmon Kardon uses would be perfect, they have blue backlighting too. Of > course, used Harmon Kardon is probably going to be expensive, but you could > probably find some old Marantz gear for cheap. From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Apr 19 12:28:06 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:24 2005 Subject: Analog RAM meter (was Re: [TCLUG] black case:CDROM) Message-ID: <3adf2026.25e1.269167349@cloudnet.com> > Buy yourself some old stereo equipment off ebay. The > round VU meters like > Harmon Kardon uses would be perfect, they have blue > backlighting too. Of > course, used Harmon Kardon is probably going to be > expensive, but you could > probably find some old Marantz gear for cheap. Marantz makes some nice vintage-looking gadgetry. An external Marantz unit would look even cooler than a front panel mount IMHO. This is somewhat related, check out http://www.ocmod.com/code/show_art.php?id=9&pg=3. Just shows some neat stuff for people who (like me) think computers should be loaded with LEDs, knobs, gauges, etc. From administrator at ltiflex.com Thu Apr 19 12:34:00 2001 From: administrator at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Power Supply (was: Re: black case) References: <3adefef1.3572.269167349@cloudnet.com> <20010419112856.19a4038a.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3ADF2188.36FCCEA1@ltiflex.com> Off my 300watt powersupply I'm running an Athalon, 2 IBM SCSI hard drives, 2 IDE Drives, SCSI cd-rom and scsi cd burner, plus tnt2, nic, scsi card, etc. Never had any heat problems, but I have no shortage of fans. If I remember correctly, to on the back (exaust) and one on front (intake) plus the power supply fan. (hmmm...maybe I should change the upper exaust fan to an intake...) All the fans (except the one on the tnt2) have been replaced with the silencer fans from pc power and cooling. One of the best investments into my computer I've ever made. As my case is a full tower, I used to have a bay cooler with two fans in a 5.25 bay. But after awile the fans just got too loud. Haven't had any heat issues without the bay cooler, so haven't had reason to replace it. Anyway, I suspect heat issues as well, unless you got a POS power supply. I've had more stuff running off my 300 watt than I do right now, so it should be able to handle things. Make sure you get your cooling squared away... -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From natecars at real-time.com Thu Apr 19 12:37:13 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Samba 2.2 Message-ID: Just wanted to mention Samba 2.2 rocks. I can finally join a Win2K box to a Samba PDC. Woohoo! Can also see all the users in NT 4.0's user administration utility.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Thu Apr 19 12:47:04 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian on Sparc In-Reply-To: <20010419114248.7f73949e.hick0088@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 11:42:48AM -0500 References: <3ADB2581.FFE62C53@nerp.net> <20010419114248.7f73949e.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010419124704.A15718@baker.space.umn.edu> On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 11:42:48AM -0500, Mike Hicks wrote: > Nate Sanders wrote: > > > Whoops, this reply is a few days late.. > > I got a dual-processor SPARCServer 20 running Debian not too long ago. It > doesn't have the capability to boot from CD, but that's okay, since it's > faster to use boot floppies and install over the network from a nearby > host than to go off the single- or dual-speed drive that's already in it. > > I will say that it is slow ;-) It'd work for BitchX but I wouldn't try > making it play MP3s (well, maybe the dual system could do it, but..) He really shouldn't have any problem playing mp3s. We've got a couple of SS20s and a SS10 running Slowaris 7 here at work, and I've got no problem running xmms on them. If anything, they should be a little quicker under Linux. -- Jim Crumley | crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Thu Apr 19 12:47:09 2001 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Samba 2.2 Message-ID: Cool! I will see this tonight... >>> natecars@real-time.com 04/19/01 12:37PM >>> Just wanted to mention Samba 2.2 rocks. I can finally join a Win2K box to a Samba PDC. Woohoo! Can also see all the users in NT 4.0's user administration utility.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kethry at winternet.com Thu Apr 19 12:56:34 2001 From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Samba 2.2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ok soooo...for those harried or brainless (like me) odes Samba 2.2 come with a specific distro and is there a good HOWTO or some such socument to clearly dilneate getting it working? *chuckle* - the rest of the network is running win2K, and I haven't been able to get samba working yet... Thanks, Liz Burke-Scovill On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > Just wanted to mention Samba 2.2 rocks. I can finally join a Win2K box to > a Samba PDC. Woohoo! Can also see all the users in NT 4.0's user > administration utility.. > > -- Imagination is intelligence having fun... e-mail: kethry@winternet.com URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html From natecars at real-time.com Thu Apr 19 13:04:40 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Samba 2.2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Liz Burke-Scovill wrote: > ok soooo...for those harried or brainless (like me) odes Samba 2.2 come > with a specific distro and is there a good HOWTO or some such socument to > clearly dilneate getting it working? *chuckle* - the rest of the network > is running win2K, and I haven't been able to get samba working yet... It was just released a couple days ago. It's in Debian Unstable, and I built RedHat packages from the distribution. Pretty much you get 2000 clients working just like NT clients.. one twist. You need to create a samba user called 'root' that maps to the unix user 'root', and set the password to something.. then, when you are setting up the w2k client (after you have created the machine acocunt on the samba machine, etc) it will ask you for a user who can create the machine account. You need to enter 'root' and whatever password you set.. according to the docs, nothing else will work right now. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Thu Apr 19 13:10:42 2001 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Samba 2.2 Message-ID: http://us4.samba.org/samba/docs/ is the place to go along with http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba/chapter/book/index.html for a good book on the subject. Something new: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/sambapr/ Do you need to share resources located on the linux box with the network, or do you want to access resource on the network from the linux box? >>> kethry@winternet.com 04/19/01 12:56PM >>> ok soooo...for those harried or brainless (like me) odes Samba 2.2 come with a specific distro and is there a good HOWTO or some such socument to clearly dilneate getting it working? *chuckle* - the rest of the network is running win2K, and I haven't been able to get samba working yet... Thanks, Liz Burke-Scovill On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > Just wanted to mention Samba 2.2 rocks. I can finally join a Win2K box to > a Samba PDC. Woohoo! Can also see all the users in NT 4.0's user > administration utility.. > > -- Imagination is intelligence having fun... e-mail: kethry@winternet.com URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blayer at qwest.net Thu Apr 19 13:20:17 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:25 2005 Subject: Analog RAM meter (was Re: [TCLUG] black case:CDROM) In-Reply-To: <987693833.3adf03098e536@dragon> References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109841@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> <20010419085056.B3860@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <20010419093252.52afbad8.blayer@integraonline.com> <987693833.3adf03098e536@dragon> Message-ID: <20010419132017.634fefce.blayer@qwest.net> Me a-gain, On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 10:23:53 -0500 (CDT) jethro@yaron.org wrote: > It is interesting. Writing a daemon to do that should be easy, if you know how > to access the card... heck, have a shellscript dump /dev/whatever into it. > > I like the idea of analog gauges showing RAM/swap/CPU status (: > > rings up another question: where do you find really cool gauges... Take a look at the equipment I *used* to help design & manufacture and leave that little issue to me :) http://www.atma-sphere.com/m60.htm Only issue, those round gauges bought new are big bucks... around $75.00 each. The cool part, is that they are the EXACT same part that the manufacturers made in the 1920's. I made sure of that. We'll need to try and get a lot off of the surplus market, or pull from used gear to suit the individual application. One good source is Fair Radio Spares catalog. Also, locally there are Ax-Man and Dexis... but it would be hard to get a useful quantity of matched parts from either. I'm actually quite psyched about this, who wants to jump in on it? Heh, I could even write a little firmware for a Microchip PIC uC and build a serial (USB?) version. The new PICs have on-chip 8/12bit DACs. Shiver. -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From dutchman at uswest.net Thu Apr 19 13:26:21 2001 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Content Switches Message-ID: <3ADF2DCD.81336B1E@uswest.net> Greet the sun all, My question is for all the system admins out there. I am trying to complete a High Availability analysis for a customer and I am trying to address content switches. I looked at all the marketing drivial for the ArrowPoint/Cisco 1100 class switch but it's focus is performance. To my client, performance takes a second seat to High Availablity. Can a content switch like an Arrowpoint be clustered, what happens if one goes belly up and how do they work with a cluster of Apache servers? Thank you for any insight you can give. -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com From fertch at mninter.net Thu Apr 19 13:45:43 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Samba 2.2 References: Message-ID: <3ADF3257.B169FA4D@mninter.net> Nate Carlson wrote:> > Pretty much you get 2000 clients working just like NT clients.. one twist. > You need to create a samba user called 'root' that maps to the unix user > 'root', and set the password to something.. then, when you are setting up > the w2k client (after you have created the machine acocunt on the samba > machine, etc) it will ask you for a user who can create the machine > account. You need to enter 'root' and whatever password you set.. > according to the docs, nothing else will work right now. I dunno about you, but to me sounds like an absolute security hole a mile wide. From jethro at yaron.org Thu Apr 19 13:41:04 2001 From: jethro at yaron.org (jethro@yaron.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:25 2005 Subject: Analog RAM meter (was Re: [TCLUG] black case:CDROM) In-Reply-To: <20010419132017.634fefce.blayer@qwest.net> References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109841@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> <20010419085056.B3860@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <20010419093252.52afbad8.blayer@integraonline.com> <987693833.3adf03098e536@dragon> <20010419132017.634fefce.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <987705664.3adf3140212a8@dragon> Hi, Quoting Bill Layer : > Take a look at the equipment I *used* to help design & manufacture and > leave that little issue to me :) *droool* > Also, locally there are Ax-Man and Dexis... but it would be hard to get > a useful quantity of matched parts from either. Now that you mention it, ABC Electronics (stone-throw from where I'm at downtown) _did_ have a crapload of old analogue looking junk. The only dials I remember wher efree-rolling PSI gauges, but they do have lots of obsolate and dead equipment. > I'm actually quite psyched about this, who wants to jump in on it? Me! > Heh, I could even write a little firmware for a Microchip PIC uC and > build a serial (USB?) version. The new PICs have on-chip 8/12bit DACs. That'd be neat. Dunno about USB... serial's probably good (cause I can do that in perl - but I only have one serial port!) How about some kinda internal thinggie you coul plug into a drive bay? > Shiver. I am. (: -Yaron -- From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Thu Apr 19 13:43:59 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:25 2005 Subject: Analog RAM meter (was Re: [TCLUG] black case:CDROM) In-Reply-To: <20010419093252.52afbad8.blayer@integraonline.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Bill Layer wrote: > > That's all I can think of, does anyone know of a simple, cheap legacy > analog controller board with low-level linux support? :) You could just as easily send it out the serial port. Since it's not going to be accurate to the nearest KB anyway, you could probably do something like build a LPF to integrate the TX line as though it were pulse-width modulated. (it's not, but I think in RS-232 you could fake it. So you just need to write a drive to measure memory and spit out something proportional to it on /dev/ttySx, providing you have a free serial port. -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From blayer at qwest.net Thu Apr 19 13:45:16 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:25 2005 Subject: Analog RAM meter (was Re: [TCLUG] black case:CDROM) In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109848@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109848@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010419134516.3f2e0d8a.blayer@qwest.net> Heh, On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 11:23:55 -0500 "Austad, Jay" wrote: > Buy yourself some old stereo equipment off ebay. The round VU meters like > Harmon Kardon uses would be perfect, they have blue backlighting too. Of > course, used Harmon Kardon is probably going to be expensive, but you could > probably find some old Marantz gear for cheap. Heh, either is the domain of the tube streo collector guys, and being one of them, I will be extremely huffy if anyone butchers any vintage gear for a project like this. There is absolutely *no* need to do that, anyway. And trust me on this - for what you would pay, you'd rather put it on the shelf and look at it :)) If you must butcher, butcher some junk old power supply equipment, they are often resplendent in their meterage. -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Thu Apr 19 13:50:48 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] black case In-Reply-To: <20010419101541.E3860@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > > Also, adding to the case painting thread, is there a GOOD > > way > > to paint a case chrome? I've seen chrome paint give more of > > a dull chrome look, I want something that's blinding to look > > at(SGI toaster type look). Is this even possible with the > > right type of paint? $400 for a chrome case isn't an option > > right now, but I'd love a chrome look. > > I'd guess if you actually wanted a chrome case, you'd need to strip your > case of plastic, sand any paint off of it, and have it chrome dipped. You > can have chrome dipping done at places like car body shops and machine > shops and such. I'd guess that it would cost you a lot more than getting > something like the CoolerMaster ATC 201 - which is a really nice polished > aluminum. You can see your reflection in it, but it's not "mirror-like" > like chrome would be. There's different grades of chrome plating, if anyone really does go around the bend. It's how many layers -- more = shinier. -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Apr 19 14:13:51 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Content Switches Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10984C@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Apparently, the arrowpoint is integrated into a blade for the Cat 6000 series switches too. As far as I know, you can cluster the arrowpoints, or at lease set up 2 of them for high availability. One thing that sucked about them when we looked at them was the lack of integration with DNS for multiple geographically dispersed datacenters. I think the price was some obnoxious amount also. I know F5's (http://www.f5.com) BigIP and 3DNS setup works excellent. You can run 2 BigIP's and have one set up to take over if the other fails, or you can run them Active/Active and then if one fails over, the other will take over the traffic the failed one was handling. However, if you're putting out over 100Mbit/sec, if you lose one, you're going not going to be able to handle more than 100Mbit. Although, I think they recently added gigabit ethernet support. They can do content verification on your webservers by pulling a specific page every 5 seconds (or whatever you set it to), and it will pull servers out of the VIP that aren't serving good content. By using the integration with the 3dns, you can explicitly set the percentages of traffic which go to each data center. It also has QoS mode where it will direct client to the logically closest/fastest datacenter. F5's products all use a heavily modified version of FreeBSD. We've been using them for a couple of years now, and they are really very good products. There's another product which is nearly the same thing called Eddie, (http://www.eddieware.org I think). It's free, but it only handles http. F5's products handle any protocol that can be mapped to a specific port (http, ftp, smtp, rtsp, wma, etc.) Plus, they are easy to set up, and have a fairly decent web interface. Of course, you can do all maintenance through the command line also. If you go with a 3dns, don't install the Namesurfer software package. It's a graphical DNS manager, and it sucks bigtime. Best Buy just recently went with F5 for their setup also. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Perry Hoekstra [mailto:dutchman@uswest.net] > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 1:26 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Content Switches > > > Greet the sun all, > > My question is for all the system admins out there. I am trying to > complete a High Availability analysis for a customer and I am > trying to > address content switches. I looked at all the marketing > drivial for the > ArrowPoint/Cisco 1100 class switch but it's focus is > performance. To my > client, performance takes a second seat to High Availablity. Can a > content switch like an Arrowpoint be clustered, what happens > if one goes > belly up and how do they work with a cluster of Apache servers? > > Thank you for any insight you can give. > > -- > Perry Hoekstra > E-Commerce Architect > Talent Software Services > perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From natecars at real-time.com Thu Apr 19 14:55:37 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Samba 2.2 In-Reply-To: <3ADF3257.B169FA4D@mninter.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Shawn wrote: > > Pretty much you get 2000 clients working just like NT clients.. one twist. > > You need to create a samba user called 'root' that maps to the unix user > > 'root', and set the password to something.. then, when you are setting up > > the w2k client (after you have created the machine acocunt on the samba > > machine, etc) it will ask you for a user who can create the machine > > account. You need to enter 'root' and whatever password you set.. > > according to the docs, nothing else will work right now. > > > I dunno about you, but to me sounds like an absolute security hole a > mile wide. Yeah, they are fixing it. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From jamie at getsetnet.net Thu Apr 19 15:10:18 2001 From: jamie at getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:25 2005 Subject: Analog RAM meter (was Re: [TCLUG] black case:CDROM) In-Reply-To: <20010419132017.634fefce.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: Bill, I would really like to get involved in this. Actually, what I want to do is build a system that basically looks like some kind of module thats been salvaged from an ENIAC or something of the sort. I want it to be black, heavy, ugly, and scary all at once. My plan as of right now is to make a rack-mounted unit. I plan on fabricating some plate metal for the face that I can paint black, or possibly powder coat for durability. One of the major stumbling blocks of making my system look old is the cdrom drive. The plastic tray that slides out just wont have the same effect hence my search for a cdrom that loads without the tray. I want to cut a slit in the plate metal to accept disks. A slit in the front panel isn't too bad. It can still look old and ugly that way. The other major problem of course for me has been the gauges. I don't have the skills to build a D-A converter that will run the CPU meter and the RAM consumption. Those are the 2 major problems I have run into. Everything else is simple: the old toggle switches and amber lights aren't a problem. I could use help with the other stuff. I agree with you: I am kind of a "boat anchor" fan. I like my computers and gear to look like computer gear, not like a breadmaker. On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Bill Layer wrote: > Me a-gain, > > On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 10:23:53 -0500 (CDT) > jethro@yaron.org wrote: > > > It is interesting. Writing a daemon to do that should be easy, if you > know how > > to access the card... heck, have a shellscript dump /dev/whatever into > it. > > > > I like the idea of analog gauges showing RAM/swap/CPU status (: > > > > rings up another question: where do you find really cool gauges... > > Take a look at the equipment I *used* to help design & manufacture and > leave that little issue to me :) > > http://www.atma-sphere.com/m60.htm > > Only issue, those round gauges bought new are big bucks... around $75.00 > each. The cool part, is that they are the EXACT same part that the > manufacturers made in the 1920's. I made sure of that. We'll need to try > and get a lot off of the surplus market, or pull from used gear to suit > the individual application. One good source is Fair Radio Spares catalog. > Also, locally there are Ax-Man and Dexis... but it would be hard to get a > useful quantity of matched parts from either. > > I'm actually quite psyched about this, who wants to jump in on it? > > Heh, I could even write a little firmware for a Microchip PIC uC and build > a serial (USB?) version. The new PICs have on-chip 8/12bit DACs. Shiver. > > > > -.bill.layer.- > > -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- > > -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- "It's pretty hard to stop a man who eats his toast every morning." From kethry at winternet.com Thu Apr 19 15:09:07 2001 From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Samba 2.2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > Do you need to share resources located on the linux box with the > network, or do you want to access resource on the network from the > linux box? yes to both - immediately I need to access resources on the network from the linux box - eventually we'll need to access resources on the linux box vrom the rest of the network. Sorry about typos, I'm typing about 15 characters ahead of what is printing on the screen. Liz ps...THANKS! > > >>> kethry@winternet.com 04/19/01 12:56PM >>> ok soooo...for those > harried or brainless (like me) odes Samba 2.2 come with a specific > distro and is there a good HOWTO or some such socument to clearly > dilneate getting it working? *chuckle* - the rest of the network is > running win2K, and I haven't been able to get samba working yet... > > Thanks, > Liz Burke-Scovill > > > On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > > > Just wanted to mention Samba 2.2 rocks. I can finally join a Win2K box to > > a Samba PDC. Woohoo! Can also see all the users in NT 4.0's user > > administration utility.. > > > > > > -- Imagination is intelligence having fun... e-mail: kethry@winternet.com URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Apr 19 15:18:31 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:25 2005 Subject: Analog RAM meter (was Re: [TCLUG] black case:CDROM) Message-ID: <3adf4817.20e3.269167349@cloudnet.com> Jamie syays something like: One > of the major stumbling blocks of making my system look old > is the cdrom > drive. The plastic tray that slides out just wont have the > same effect > hence my search for a cdrom that loads without the tray. Brian replies: They make generic trayless IDE CD drives. I used to see them at Best Buy all the time. They were slightly more expensive than a standard CD with the tray, but they were 100% ATAPI compliant clones. I'd try Compusa/Micro Center and see if you can find one. I was looking for one a few years ago and had no trouble finding them all over the place. From jamie at getsetnet.net Thu Apr 19 15:27:10 2001 From: jamie at getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:25 2005 Subject: Analog RAM meter (was Re: [TCLUG] black case:CDROM) In-Reply-To: <20010419134516.3f2e0d8a.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Bill Layer wrote: > Heh, > > On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 11:23:55 -0500 > "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > > Buy yourself some old stereo equipment off ebay. The round VU meters > like > > Harmon Kardon uses would be perfect, they have blue backlighting too. > Of > > course, used Harmon Kardon is probably going to be expensive, but you > could > > probably find some old Marantz gear for cheap. > > Heh, either is the domain of the tube streo collector guys, and being one > of them, I will be extremely huffy if anyone butchers any vintage gear for > a project like this. There is absolutely *no* need to do that, anyway. And > trust me on this - for what you would pay, you'd rather put it on the > shelf and look at it :)) If you must butcher, butcher some junk old power > supply equipment, they are often resplendent in their meterage. I agree wholeheartedly. I too am a lover of "boatanchor" equipment and I love the old Collins and Hammerlund shortwave type equipment. That stuff had "soul". I want my computer be like that. So, if I can join in somehow, let me know! I have wanted to do this for such a long time!! - Jamie > > > -.bill.layer.- > > -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- > > -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- "It's pretty hard to stop a man who eats his toast every morning." From jethro at yaron.org Thu Apr 19 15:32:58 2001 From: jethro at yaron.org (jethro@yaron.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:26 2005 Subject: Analog RAM meter (was Re: [TCLUG] black case:CDROM) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <987712378.3adf4b7a44d9d@dragon> Hi, Quoting Jamie Ostrowski : > One of the major stumbling blocks of making my system look old is the > cdrom drive. The plastic tray that slides out just wont have the same effect > hence my search for a cdrom that loads without the tray. How about the internal CDROMs that come in like Sun Netras and the like (and actually also external old Sun CDROMs)? The 'tray" actually spits out the whole lens thing which is encased in what looks and feels like black metal. Kinda like what laptop CDROMs have, except more textured metal like than plastic. Also, while laptop CDROMs are plastic, they're more grey/black plastic. -Yaron From natecars at real-time.com Thu Apr 19 15:38:10 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cool. high uptime. :) Message-ID: [rte@server ~]$ free total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 14772 14392 380 9760 984 5100 -/+ buffers/cache: 8308 6464 Swap: 136512 7964 128548 [rte@server ~]$ uptime 3:37pm up 484 days, 2:47, 2 users, load average: 0.06, 0.03, 0.00 [rte@server ~]$ this is one of our client's file servers... not bad for a network of 10 or so... :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Thu Apr 19 15:48:25 2001 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cool. high uptime. :) In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 03:38:10PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010419154825.A4274@sorry.cs.umn.edu> On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 03:38:10PM -0500, Nate Carlson wrote: > [rte@server ~]$ free > total used free shared buffers cached > Mem: 14772 14392 380 9760 984 5100 > -/+ buffers/cache: 8308 6464 > Swap: 136512 7964 128548 > [rte@server ~]$ uptime > 3:37pm up 484 days, 2:47, 2 users, load average: 0.06, 0.03, 0.00 > [rte@server ~]$ > > this is one of our client's file servers... not bad for a network of 10 or > so... :) > scud:gabe {85} uptime 3:45PM up 526 days, 1:13, 4 users, load averages: 0.33, 0.14, 0.10 It's an OpenBSD machine we use as a terminal server, but that's still a helluva uptime :) Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "If a god of love and life ever did exist, he's long since dead... Someone, some _thing_, rules in his place." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Apr 19 15:50:40 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cool. high uptime. :) Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10984F@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> It's close to flipping over. Don't they flip around 488 days or so? One of my boxes just recently flipped. It shows 19 days of uptime now. > -----Original Message----- > From: Nate Carlson [mailto:natecars@real-time.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 3:38 PM > To: Twin Cities Linux User Group > Subject: [TCLUG] cool. high uptime. :) > > > [rte@server ~]$ free > total used free shared > buffers cached > Mem: 14772 14392 380 9760 > 984 5100 > -/+ buffers/cache: 8308 6464 > Swap: 136512 7964 128548 > [rte@server ~]$ uptime > 3:37pm up 484 days, 2:47, 2 users, load average: 0.06, > 0.03, 0.00 > [rte@server ~]$ > > this is one of our client's file servers... not bad for a > network of 10 or > so... :) > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From natecars at real-time.com Thu Apr 19 15:54:54 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cool. high uptime. :) In-Reply-To: <20010419154825.A4274@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > scud:gabe {85} uptime > 3:45PM up 526 days, 1:13, 4 users, load averages: 0.33, 0.14, 0.10 > > It's an OpenBSD machine we use as a terminal server, but that's still a > helluva uptime :) nice. :) I need to set up my record-uptime-getter box.. I've got an old Unisys 486 tiny box that I used to have sitting in my closet on a junk APC 600 UPS.. had a couple hundred days uptime, then I had a long power outage. :( -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From fertch at mninter.net Thu Apr 19 16:05:56 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Samba 2.2 References: Message-ID: <3ADF5334.45BC74D1@mninter.net> Okay, here's a question. Samba 2.2 allows connections for Win2k. I was thinking about this for a while, and our network isn't that much different from Liz's. It's a Windows domain running NT4.0, Win2k, 95/98. The pdc's are NT 4.0 while all of the Win2k boxes are either disktops or secondary servers. With a large number of Unix (HP, AIX, Sun, DEC but no real BSD boxes that I'm aware of) boxes. We had some problems getting the Win2k machines to connect to Samba shares, but we figured it out. We're running 2.07 and our Win2k boxes can connect with no problem. Or is it that you're running a *nix network with Win2k boxes connecting into it? > >>> kethry@winternet.com 04/19/01 12:56PM >>> > ok soooo...for those harried or brainless (like me) odes Samba 2.2 come > with a specific distro and is there a good HOWTO or some such socument to > clearly dilneate getting it working? *chuckle* - the rest of the network > is running win2K, and I haven't been able to get samba working yet... > > Thanks, > Liz Burke-Scovill > > On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > > > Just wanted to mention Samba 2.2 rocks. I can finally join a Win2K box to > > a Samba PDC. Woohoo! Can also see all the users in NT 4.0's user > > administration utility.. From joe at ldsiconsulting.com Thu Apr 19 16:04:20 2001 From: joe at ldsiconsulting.com (Joe Wivoda) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cool. high uptime. :) Message-ID: One of our clients has a Novell Netware 3.11(?) server that has been running over five years. The did migrate off the server at the end of 99, but they left the server running for historical reasons (and to see how long it would run). Says a lot for their UPS, really 8^) Joe Wivoda LDSi Consulting joe@ldsiconsulting.com (612) 379-6176 >>> Nate Carlson 04/19/01 03:54PM >>> On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > scud:gabe {85} uptime > 3:45PM up 526 days, 1:13, 4 users, load averages: 0.33, 0.14, 0.10 > > It's an OpenBSD machine we use as a terminal server, but that's still a > helluva uptime :) nice. :) I need to set up my record-uptime-getter box.. I've got an old Unisys 486 tiny box that I used to have sitting in my closet on a junk APC 600 UPS.. had a couple hundred days uptime, then I had a long power outage. :( -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ben at nerp.net Thu Apr 19 16:09:05 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cool. high uptime. :) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- actualy, says a lot for the harddrive in it.. drives and fans are usualy the first thing to go. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Joe Wivoda wrote: > One of our clients has a Novell Netware 3.11(?) server that has been running over five years. The did migrate off the server at the end of 99, but they left the server running for historical reasons (and to see how long it would run). Says a lot for their UPS, really 8^) > > > > Joe Wivoda > LDSi Consulting > joe@ldsiconsulting.com > (612) 379-6176 > > >>> Nate Carlson 04/19/01 03:54PM >>> > On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > > scud:gabe {85} uptime > > 3:45PM up 526 days, 1:13, 4 users, load averages: 0.33, 0.14, 0.10 > > > > It's an OpenBSD machine we use as a terminal server, but that's still a > > helluva uptime :) > > nice. :) > > I need to set up my record-uptime-getter box.. I've got an old Unisys 486 > tiny box that I used to have sitting in my closet on a junk APC 600 UPS.. > had a couple hundred days uptime, then I had a long power outage. :( > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBOt9T8stpDhsSpvgtAQGpFQP/auRkqYfqCxCKtUZMinYHxaLMPGO/yVZi 97uxkhO7PzIm8WYErQiBgzarIYn+3chHuEXWCSrDds8OozlLn+QtWvmuJqgMJAx6 qsUSGX/p60QJMQdQviNiRSsUHNuxt7utA9VpNhgdwHjuf6bKJZG1TsTmuKenF6vx W/K2COfxO4Q= =aHCl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Thu Apr 19 16:19:58 2001 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Samba 2.2 In-Reply-To: <3ADF5334.45BC74D1@mninter.net>; from fertch@mninter.net on Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 04:05:56PM -0500 References: <3ADF5334.45BC74D1@mninter.net> Message-ID: <20010419161958.B4274@sorry.cs.umn.edu> > We had some problems getting the Win2k machines to connect to Samba > shares, but we figured it out. We're running 2.07 and our Win2k boxes > can connect with no problem. Shares are one thing, but could you login to a Win2k box, using Samba for authentication? AFAIK, this didn't work until Samba 2.2. Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "If a god of love and life ever did exist, he's long since dead... Someone, some _thing_, rules in his place." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Leighann978 at cs.com Thu Apr 19 16:22:52 2001 From: Leighann978 at cs.com (Leighann978@cs.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] National ISP that is Linux friendly? Message-ID: <15.12edc674.2810b12c@cs.com> Are there any national ISP that are linux friendly? AOL and Compuserve are total crap. Called for tech support and if it's not windows or Mac they refuse to help you. From jethro at yaron.org Thu Apr 19 16:29:39 2001 From: jethro at yaron.org (jethro@yaron.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] National ISP that is Linux friendly? In-Reply-To: <15.12edc674.2810b12c@cs.com> References: <15.12edc674.2810b12c@cs.com> Message-ID: <987715779.3adf58c31aab2@dragon> Hi, Quoting Leighann978@cs.com: > Are there any national ISP that are linux friendly? Aren't you supposed to be on vacation? (: -Yaron -- From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Thu Apr 19 16:29:36 2001 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Samba 2.2 Message-ID: Samba itself is a server and is for sharing a boxes file and print resources (and possibly authentication). To access windows network resources you can use "smbclient", an ftp-like utility that comes with Samba, or "smbfs", a module for mounting SMB/CIFS files systems on Linux. Neither will help you print, IIRC, but I think NT4 and/or W2K come with LPD servers you can access from Linux, but that is not Samba related. Anyone do this regularly? >>> kethry@winternet.com 04/19/01 03:09PM >>> > Do you need to share resources located on the linux box with the > network, or do you want to access resource on the network from the > linux box? yes to both - immediately I need to access resources on the network from the linux box - eventually we'll need to access resources on the linux box vrom the rest of the network. From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Thu Apr 19 16:30:30 2001 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] National ISP that is Linux friendly? Message-ID: www.xo.com? >>> Leighann978@cs.com 04/19/01 04:22PM >>> Are there any national ISP that are linux friendly? AOL and Compuserve are total crap. Called for tech support and if it's not windows or Mac they refuse to help you. _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ben at nerp.net Thu Apr 19 16:36:48 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] National ISP that is Linux friendly? In-Reply-To: <15.12edc674.2810b12c@cs.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I setup 20 some laptops with UUnet access, everything worked flawlessly, except for the fact that they don't provide any kind of dialer for #nix. I was going to have someone re-write kppp to handle UUnet better. the only problem we ran into, is the fact that UUnet has over 1000 dialup numbers, for just the US. kpp can only handle 9 at a time. I wanted to make some kind of "select state" "select city" kind of dialog dialer, that you could feed a comma delimited database. we also wanted to add calling card, and on-dial checkbox support for things like outside line, and stuff. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 Leighann978@cs.com wrote: > Are there any national ISP that are linux friendly? > > AOL and Compuserve are total crap. Called for tech support and if it's not > windows or Mac they refuse to help you. > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBOt9acstpDhsSpvgtAQF5wwQAltL1PicLhr3/d2l0jyVsO3B+z+IOZpCH 5R9AJq4J8UX3SGCXWI21sMUwz36OliKVzIOlu8L8CMQOZGVU54JvFveuMgaKuRH8 zdOj7NCk2PUeHCgVtdPWQnihGfFckbTpKJ54yv0y0q9KRCfTld1MLsZsdmIi+QRD 6FlxQwFPqCw= =jom3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From natecars at real-time.com Thu Apr 19 16:45:45 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] National ISP that is Linux friendly? In-Reply-To: <15.12edc674.2810b12c@cs.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 Leighann978@cs.com wrote: > Are there any national ISP that are linux friendly? > > AOL and Compuserve are total crap. Called for tech support and if it's not > windows or Mac they refuse to help you. IBM, or whoever they got bought out by now.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Thu Apr 19 16:45:15 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Samba 2.2 In-Reply-To: <3ADF5334.45BC74D1@mninter.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Shawn wrote: > Okay, here's a question. Samba 2.2 allows connections for Win2k. I was > thinking about this for a while, and our network isn't that much > different from Liz's. It's a Windows domain running NT4.0, Win2k, > 95/98. The pdc's are NT 4.0 while all of the Win2k boxes are either > disktops or secondary servers. With a large number of Unix (HP, AIX, > Sun, DEC but no real BSD boxes that I'm aware of) boxes. > > We had some problems getting the Win2k machines to connect to Samba > shares, but we figured it out. We're running 2.07 and our Win2k boxes > can connect with no problem. > > Or is it that you're running a *nix network with Win2k boxes connecting > into it? Win2k boxen can connect to 2.0.7, but cannot log into a domain, if the PDC is the 2.0.7 machine. If your PDC is a Windoze machine, it'll work great with 2.0. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From jacque at fruitioninc.com Thu Apr 19 16:42:45 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] National ISP that is Linux friendly? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I believe that earthlink.net is also Linux friendly and nationwide. ~j > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > I setup 20 some laptops with UUnet access, everything worked flawlessly, > except for the fact that they don't provide any kind of dialer for #nix. > I was going to have someone re-write kppp to handle UUnet better. the > only problem we ran into, is the fact that UUnet has over 1000 dialup > numbers, for just the US. kpp can only handle 9 at a time. I wanted to > make some kind of "select state" "select city" kind of dialog dialer, that > you could feed a comma delimited database. we also wanted to add calling > card, and on-dial checkbox support for things like outside line, and > stuff. > > Thank You, > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 Leighann978@cs.com wrote: > > > Are there any national ISP that are linux friendly? > > > > AOL and Compuserve are total crap. Called for tech support and > if it's not > > windows or Mac they refuse to help you. From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Apr 19 16:47:09 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] National ISP that is Linux friendly? Message-ID: <3adf5cdd.649a.269167349@cloudnet.com> > Are there any national ISP that are linux friendly? > I hate to say it, but I've heard that of all the nationwide ISPs MSN is about the best in terms of speed, busy signals, and linux friendliness. Tech support won't talk to you, but as I understand it You need to install their software and set up your account (it will probably infect your system in some way so set it up on a box you don't care about). Once it's set up, go to your linux machine and use your pppd application to connect. Their network is completely PPP, they just use the shell to remind you that they own the internet. From fertch at mninter.net Thu Apr 19 17:07:46 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] National ISP that is Linux friendly? References: <15.12edc674.2810b12c@cs.com> Message-ID: <3ADF61B2.F5277929@mninter.net> Leighann978@cs.com wrote: > > Are there any national ISP that are linux friendly? > > AOL and Compuserve are total crap. Called for tech support and if it's not > windows or Mac they refuse to help you. > _________________________________________ Thats because they're both AOL companies. From administrator at ltiflex.com Thu Apr 19 17:05:19 2001 From: administrator at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] National ISP that is Linux friendly? References: <3adf5cdd.649a.269167349@cloudnet.com> Message-ID: <3ADF611F.3B21C38D@ltiflex.com> UUnet or earthlink. I had an earthlink account for a few months and had no problems. US Internet is ok, but they're all NT based. Just about anybody who isn't AOL (or use other propatiry protocols.) should do the trick. Tech support will generally give you a "huh?" when you mention Linux. When I did tech support, I took some linux calls IF there wasn't a mac or winders user in need of help. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From nwo at digunix.com Thu Apr 19 17:12:21 2001 From: nwo at digunix.com (Matthew J. Brown) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] National ISP that is Linux friendly? In-Reply-To: <15.12edc674.2810b12c@cs.com> Message-ID: I work for Skypoint Communications here in the Twin Cities.. we're Linux friendly, but not National as of yet. We're currently working on a project which will allow us to go national, but it looks as though it'll be a few months down the road. -------- Matthew J. Brown UNIX Systems Administrator Skypoint Communications mb@skypoint.com -------- Man must exist in a state of balance between risk and safety. Pure risk leads to self-destruction. Pure safety leads to stagnation. In between lies survival and progress. On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 Leighann978@cs.com wrote: > Are there any national ISP that are linux friendly? > > AOL and Compuserve are total crap. Called for tech support and if it's not > windows or Mac they refuse to help you. > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From wilson at visi.com Thu Apr 19 17:51:22 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] migrating users to a new machine Message-ID: Hey everyone, I need to move some user accounts from one machine to another and I want them to retain their passwords. Can I cut-and-paste their info from /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow, and /etc/group? -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ From ben at nerp.net Thu Apr 19 18:01:49 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] migrating users to a new machine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- yep.. i've done that several times. works fine. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Timothy Wilson wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I need to move some user accounts from one machine to another and I want > them to retain their passwords. Can I cut-and-paste their info from > /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow, and /etc/group? > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBOt9uX8tpDhsSpvgtAQGEqAQAzd+6G6gTjEsSFNDzy+LyBXS3rm74vYeP CQjF242nt8zqPTswHvl9qRd9SeFfd2srM/wiEJj8AI7dlkpmGmtE6Iw8hkFM7DNY WYGnCN0MC/vwcM5H3dyI5mj8dEOU6R/SAapFH/CJcsdCRLHcuXU50FQ4D1g9xkQd atU4Awdd3xo= =CU8F -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From blayer at integraonline.com Thu Apr 19 18:02:25 2001 From: blayer at integraonline.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:28 2005 Subject: Analog RAM meter (was Re: [TCLUG] black case:CDROM) In-Reply-To: References: <20010419132017.634fefce.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20010419180225.540e0f42.blayer@integraonline.com> On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 15:10:18 -0500 (CDT) "Jamie Ostrowski" wrote: One > of the major stumbling blocks of making my system look old is the cdrom > drive. The plastic tray that slides out just wont have the same effect > hence my search for a cdrom that loads without the tray. A couple of ideas on this... 1) General Nano (or was it Tran?) offers a slot-loading DVD rom drive for about $100 or so last time I checked. Very up-to-date, and covers the slot-load aspect. 2) What prevents us from attaching a larger (metal?) plate to the front of a conventional CD-ROM drawer, adding some faux hardware, a name plaque, and making it a stylistic element of the machine? If we used a conventional mounting technique, the plate could be large enough to cover the *entire* front of the CD-ROM drive... Made from thin aluminium, the weight will be negligable. The buttons to open / play the CD are just switches, they can be covered or removed, and their connections broken out to some momentary toggles or rocker switches on the front panel. I even have a good friend with a Bridgeport mill, who could probably machine a replacement drawer front cover (have you ever noticed that those covers can be removed? It's necessary to the design of the tray & front panel to have them removable...) Heh.. heh heh... heh heh heh... :) Bill From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Apr 19 18:20:06 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] National ISP that is Linux friendly? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, Bob, can't you setup an 800 number at Real-Time? Not tell anyone about it except maybe real-time staff? -Yaron -- From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Apr 19 18:27:49 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Terminal servers (Re: cool. high uptime.) In-Reply-To: <20010419154825.A4274@sorry.cs.umn.edu> References: <20010419154825.A4274@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010419182749.0225b84a.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > > scud:gabe {85} uptime > 3:45PM up 526 days, 1:13, 4 users, load averages: 0.33, 0.14, 0.10 > > It's an OpenBSD machine we use as a terminal server, but that's still a > helluva uptime :) Do you mean `terminal server' in the sense of connecting the serial ports of various servers up to one box so that you can control their consoles? I've been considering setting up something like that for where I work, since we have a bunch of systems that really shouldn't need to have monitors, keyboards, and mice connected to them. If they were all PCs, I'd just get a KVM switch, but we have a mix of PCs and Suns (and, coming soon, an HP/UX box). Have many people set things up like this? Does it work very well? What's some good (and hopefully relatively inexpensive) hardware for the job? -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ "My name is Linus / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Torvalds. You killed my \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) process. Prepare to die." [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From andy at theasis.com Thu Apr 19 18:26:58 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:28 2005 Subject: Analog RAM meter (was Re: [TCLUG] black case:CDROM) In-Reply-To: <20010419180225.540e0f42.blayer@integraonline.com> Message-ID: > switches on the front panel. I even have a good friend with a > Bridgeport mill, who could probably machine a replacement drawer front Nifty. Everyone should have a friend with a Bridgeport. Andy > Bill > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Apr 19 18:39:12 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Terminal servers (Re: cool. high uptime.) Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109852@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> I did this. I used a 32 port RocketPort PCI card. It works great, except the ports are all RJ-45, and nearly everything you connect it to requires a custom cable. The 32 port card was $1200-$1400. You might just be better off buying one of those little rackmount boxes that do the same thing. Of course, it's always nice to have the extra machine around for monitoring (since you have 32 serial ports, you can connect a modem to one for paging if your network dies). > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Hicks [mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu] > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 6:28 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Terminal servers (Re: cool. high uptime.) > > > dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > > > > scud:gabe {85} uptime > > 3:45PM up 526 days, 1:13, 4 users, load averages: 0.33, > 0.14, 0.10 > > > > It's an OpenBSD machine we use as a terminal server, but > that's still a > > helluva uptime :) > > Do you mean `terminal server' in the sense of connecting the > serial ports > of various servers up to one box so that you can control > their consoles? > I've been considering setting up something like that for where I work, > since we have a bunch of systems that really shouldn't need to have > monitors, keyboards, and mice connected to them. If they > were all PCs, > I'd just get a KVM switch, but we have a mix of PCs and Suns > (and, coming > soon, an HP/UX box). > > Have many people set things up like this? Does it work very > well? What's > some good (and hopefully relatively inexpensive) hardware for the job? > > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ "My name is Linus > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Torvalds. You killed my > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) process. Prepare to die." > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sos at zjod.net Thu Apr 19 19:27:57 2001 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat 7.1 Message-ID: <200104200027.TAA16841@zjod.net> Just opened my official 7.1 "RedHat Deluxe Workstation" package and found a set of install CDs in a cardboard envelope inside. Sealing the envelope was a white sticker reading: "Please read the License Agreement before installing Red Hat Linux. By breaking this seal, you agree to the terms and conditions in the License Agreement." Note that, unlike the shrink-wrapped software shipped by certain other software companies based in, say, the State of Washington, the actual end use license agreement _was_ accessible prior to popping that seal. But still... I gotta say I'm sorry to see RedHat's lawyers have forced the company to sink to this level. -S From destef at destef.com Thu Apr 19 20:19:04 2001 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cool. high uptime. :) In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10984F@mspexch1.office.mkt w.net> Message-ID: <200104200118.f3K1Iku22339@ernie.destef.com> 2^32 and divide by 100. That is the number of seconds until 32-bit os's flip. 2^32 and divide by 8640000 and that is the number of days, which is 497. My server at work went 587 days until i decided to reboot it since it runs a critical piece of software and i though i should "refresh" the OS (note that i say refresh, not reboot. hehe). Longest I've seen is an AIX DNS server go about 1100 days before losing power (ups failed too). I hope they fix the 497 day counter in linux kernels soon by using a floating point number instead--at least for us uptime freaks. :) At 03:50 PM 4/19/01 -0500, you wrote: >It's close to flipping over. Don't they flip around 488 days or so? > >One of my boxes just recently flipped. It shows 19 days of uptime now. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Nate Carlson [mailto:natecars@real-time.com] >> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 3:38 PM >> To: Twin Cities Linux User Group >> Subject: [TCLUG] cool. high uptime. :) >> >> >> [rte@server ~]$ free >> total used free shared >> buffers cached >> Mem: 14772 14392 380 9760 >> 984 5100 >> -/+ buffers/cache: 8308 6464 >> Swap: 136512 7964 128548 >> [rte@server ~]$ uptime >> 3:37pm up 484 days, 2:47, 2 users, load average: 0.06, >> 0.03, 0.00 >> [rte@server ~]$ >> >> this is one of our client's file servers... not bad for a >> network of 10 or >> so... :) >> >> -- >> Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 >> http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> tclug-list mailing list >> tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jack at jacku.com Thu Apr 19 20:22:00 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] It's Bob :-) Linux and CompuServe? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01041920220000.01249@geezer> CompuServe 2000 is different. If I remember correctly CompuServe 2000 POPs are like AOL POPs. They only talk to the CS2K client. As such you may not be able to use them with Linux. You're right about the older CIS IDs mine was something like 73457,2207. The CS2K IDs don't work with the old CIS POPs and vice versa. So based on this I think the answer is, "you can't get there from here." Jack On Thursday 19 April 2001 11:13, you wrote: > I cannot email you offline. The only way I am reading the lug postings if > via the web and it hides people's email addresses: > > This is what I had as a cis.chat script. > > ABORT "NO" > ABORT "BUSY" > ABORT "ERROR" > "" AT OK-AT-OK ATZ OK ATDT722-0017 CONNECT > "\r" : CIS : /GO:PPPCONNECT : PPP > > I am using CompuServe 2000 and when I call the local access number I get a > Lucent TNT login banner and a Login: prompt. > > Try they above script, I put "CIS" for the login and then it ask for a > password which is use the CIS ID/GO, but it immediately comes back invalid. > > From the CS2000 client software I just use a username like this > "tanner876". is that the CIS ID? If not how do I get the CIS ID? I thought > CIS IDs where like xxxxxx,xxx or something like that. > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From labmat at mn.mediaone.net Thu Apr 19 20:26:12 2001 From: labmat at mn.mediaone.net (Matthew LaBerge) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] black case In-Reply-To: <3ADF0D8B.B216915D@eetc.com> Message-ID: www.virtualhideout.net -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Simeon Johnston Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 11:09 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] black case I once saw a website that was showing a bunch of pictures of custom cases that people had sent in. They were pretty cool. One guy sent in a request for info on building the computer into his dresser. He said he was going built it in and have the KB and mouse a pull out drawer with the monitor on top. That would be cool. I didn't see whether he finished or not and I lost the bookmark. Oh well. Sounds like a good idea for a desk. : ) Thinking of using some old POS and installing into my desk. Get a monitor/KB/mouse switch and I can use it to automate my room. X10 has some great stuff. Maybe I should get a mac for that though. I could use the voice command and rig up some really cool stuff. I think I might be getting carried away but it is just such a cool idea. sim Robert Sinland wrote: > Just to interject an undoubtedly beer derived idea, as a sorta woodworker > in my spare time I was wondering if anyone had considered making one from > a nice variety of hardwood, say Black Walnut? > Off the top it's just a brain fart, but with the right grounding etc... > Maybe I should stick to chess boards :) > RS _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jack at jacku.com Thu Apr 19 20:29:32 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] National ISP that is Linux friendly? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01041920293201.01249@geezer> I'll vouch for the earthlink comment. I setup with earthlink just before AT&T got cable modems into our area. I was able to dial out using kppp. Jack On Thursday 19 April 2001 16:42, you wrote: > I believe that earthlink.net is also Linux friendly and nationwide. > > ~j > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > > I setup 20 some laptops with UUnet access, everything worked flawlessly, > > except for the fact that they don't provide any kind of dialer for #nix. > > I was going to have someone re-write kppp to handle UUnet better. the > > only problem we ran into, is the fact that UUnet has over 1000 dialup > > numbers, for just the US. kpp can only handle 9 at a time. I wanted to > > make some kind of "select state" "select city" kind of dialog dialer, > > that you could feed a comma delimited database. we also wanted to add > > calling card, and on-dial checkbox support for things like outside line, > > and stuff. > > > > Thank You, > > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > > > On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 Leighann978@cs.com wrote: > > > Are there any national ISP that are linux friendly? > > > > > > AOL and Compuserve are total crap. Called for tech support and > > > > if it's not > > > > > windows or Mac they refuse to help you. > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From labmat at mn.mediaone.net Thu Apr 19 20:33:28 2001 From: labmat at mn.mediaone.net (Matthew LaBerge) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:28 2005 Subject: Analog RAM meter (was Re: [TCLUG] black case:CDROM) In-Reply-To: <20010419180225.540e0f42.blayer@integraonline.com> Message-ID: I remember seeing a how to on making a hidden cdrom. All you need is an old face plate, some rubbery super glue so the face plate can bend and flex some, and a small piece of plastic or wood, that gets glued to the face plate near the eject button. You glue the face plate to the cdrom tray using the flexy glue, so when you press on the right spot on the face plate your cdrom opens. Hope I gave you ideas -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Bill Layer Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 6:02 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: Analog RAM meter (was Re: [TCLUG] black case:CDROM) On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 15:10:18 -0500 (CDT) "Jamie Ostrowski" wrote: One > of the major stumbling blocks of making my system look old is the cdrom > drive. The plastic tray that slides out just wont have the same effect > hence my search for a cdrom that loads without the tray. A couple of ideas on this... 1) General Nano (or was it Tran?) offers a slot-loading DVD rom drive for about $100 or so last time I checked. Very up-to-date, and covers the slot-load aspect. 2) What prevents us from attaching a larger (metal?) plate to the front of a conventional CD-ROM drawer, adding some faux hardware, a name plaque, and making it a stylistic element of the machine? If we used a conventional mounting technique, the plate could be large enough to cover the *entire* front of the CD-ROM drive... Made from thin aluminium, the weight will be negligable. The buttons to open / play the CD are just switches, they can be covered or removed, and their connections broken out to some momentary toggles or rocker switches on the front panel. I even have a good friend with a Bridgeport mill, who could probably machine a replacement drawer front cover (have you ever noticed that those covers can be removed? It's necessary to the design of the tray & front panel to have them removable...) Heh.. heh heh... heh heh heh... :) Bill _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From labmat at mn.mediaone.net Thu Apr 19 21:42:18 2001 From: labmat at mn.mediaone.net (Matthew LaBerge) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Progeny help. Message-ID: Ahoy, So I set off on my quest to install Progeny Debian, however pirates are holding me hostage and threatening to cut my thought unless I tell them what x-server to use. There weren't a lot of options, and nothing that struck me as "yea, that's the one I use" which of the like 6 options should I choose (I have a Hercules 3D Prophet II GTS Pro 64meg). And which driver do I use. Also what option do I chose in the mouse driver selection page for a USB Mouse, there were a bunch of dev/mouse like options. Sorry if my questions are vague and or stupid, but they say your only as dumb as the questions you ask ;) Thanks, Matthew LaBerge The looser running windows. From ben at nerp.net Thu Apr 19 21:50:43 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Progeny help. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- odd.. i think that's a geforce2 card, and it should auto-detect that... if you can.. specify the nv driver, or you may have to go without, and do the x config manualy later. and probably install the nvidia binary only driver later. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Matthew LaBerge wrote: > Ahoy, > > So I set off on my quest to install Progeny Debian, however pirates are > holding me hostage and threatening to cut my thought unless I tell them what > x-server to use. There weren't a lot of options, and nothing that struck me > as "yea, that's the one I use" which of the like 6 options should I choose > (I have a Hercules 3D Prophet II GTS Pro 64meg). And which driver do I use. > Also what option do I chose in the mouse driver selection page for a USB > Mouse, there were a bunch of dev/mouse like options. Sorry if my questions > are vague and or stupid, but they say your only as dumb as the questions you > ask ;) > > Thanks, > > Matthew LaBerge > The looser running windows. > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBOt+kBMtpDhsSpvgtAQFF/gP+KKCpC1yyUXk6Xm70ooZaE7Q/AF43s9g+ 6UBkUnOp96KjzCg+Qrbs5hHPLggrrD12l/4ycvwuUwhXuWepJ2YQcM2eOClbVmE3 ujM4ITXNXYU4vC/ZnXr7BDzEoRbz6IsWilhMuS+lyjsQAlejJm3Z3j0Y3BRF/mFh PB4W1BW0Khs= =q75h -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Apr 19 21:58:53 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] debian broke my mozilla! Message-ID: Hi, Ok, I dunno why, but I just did a sid dist-upgrade earlier, and now mozilla won't run. Apparently libgkgfx.so is gone. Anyone know what package that's from? I don't have a browser to search for... -Yaron -- From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Apr 19 22:06:00 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Progeny help. In-Reply-To: ; from labmat@mn.mediaone.net on Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 09:42:18PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010419220600.Q7492@ringworld.org> * Matthew LaBerge [010419 21:45]: > So I set off on my quest to install Progeny Debian, however pirates are > holding me hostage and threatening to cut my thought unless I tell them what > x-server to use. There weren't a lot of options, and nothing that struck me xf4-xfree86 server, nv driver -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010419/8cdbd9a8/attachment.pgp From kethry at winternet.com Thu Apr 19 22:15:34 2001 From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Samba 2.2 In-Reply-To: <3ADF5334.45BC74D1@mninter.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Shawn wrote: > Okay, here's a question. Samba 2.2 allows connections for Win2k. I was > thinking about this for a while, and our network isn't that much > different from Liz's. It's a Windows domain running NT4.0, Win2k, > 95/98. The pdc's are NT 4.0 while all of the Win2k boxes are either > disktops or secondary servers. With a large number of Unix (HP, AIX, > Sun, DEC but no real BSD boxes that I'm aware of) boxes. > > We had some problems getting the Win2k machines to connect to Samba > shares, but we figured it out. We're running 2.07 and our Win2k boxes > can connect with no problem. > > Or is it that you're running a *nix network with Win2k boxes connecting > into it? We've got a primarily Win2K network - with the one linux test box doing proof of concept work for my boss - once that's all configured and running nicely, then he wants to start moving some of the Win2K boxes out of production and replace them with linux...but until then, I need print services, file share access, etc., off of the Win2K network, and there are some shares on the linux box(es) that will be created and we'll be running both test and production boxes on linux... Take care, Liz > > > > > >>> kethry@winternet.com 04/19/01 12:56PM >>> > > ok soooo...for those harried or brainless (like me) odes Samba 2.2 come > > with a specific distro and is there a good HOWTO or some such socument to > > clearly dilneate getting it working? *chuckle* - the rest of the network > > is running win2K, and I haven't been able to get samba working yet... > > > > Thanks, > > Liz Burke-Scovill > > > > On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > > > > > Just wanted to mention Samba 2.2 rocks. I can finally join a Win2K box to > > > a Samba PDC. Woohoo! Can also see all the users in NT 4.0's user > > > administration utility.. > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Imagination is intelligence having fun... e-mail: kethry@winternet.com URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Apr 19 22:32:44 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Where can I find this? Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109854@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> I need some blue LEDs for my new case, but these are small ones, not the normal size ones that you can get at radio shack. Here's a picture of the one I will be replacing: http://209.240.67.45/pix/index.php?mode=view&album=misc&pic=small_led.jpg&di spsize=800&start=0 Anyone know where I can find this in blue? Preferably with the same type of leads on it so it will plug in just like the current ones (yes, they plug in, not soldered!). I checked Jameco and Digikey, but they don't have pictures, and the closest I could find measured 3mm diameter, which I think is a little big, but i'm not sure. Jay From chrome at real-time.com Thu Apr 19 22:46:21 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cool. high uptime. :) In-Reply-To: <200104200118.f3K1Iku22339@ernie.destef.com>; from destef@destef.com on Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 08:19:04PM -0500 References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10984F@mspexch1.office.mkt w.net> <200104200118.f3K1Iku22339@ernie.destef.com> Message-ID: <20010419224620.A19417@real-time.com> > Longest I've seen is an AIX DNS server go about 1100 days before > losing power (ups failed too). I hope they fix the 497 day counter in > linux kernels soon by using a floating point number instead--at least > for us uptime freaks. :) one of the hardcore Linux kernel hackers (Rob van der Hej?) once posted to the linux-kernel mailing list that he had a box with something like 1270 days of uptime. That was quite a few months ago, too... Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Thu Apr 19 23:06:55 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:29 2005 Subject: Chrome-plate cases (was:Re: RE: [TCLUG] black case) In-Reply-To: <3adefef1.3572.269167349@cloudnet.com>; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 03:06:25PM +0000 References: <3adefef1.3572.269167349@cloudnet.com> Message-ID: <20010419230650.B19417@real-time.com> My personal case color scheme idea is a blue case, with stylized chrome lightning bolts on the sides (shaped like the one on the winamp logo; the zigzag 'Z'). trouble is, how do you get both the mirror-polished lightning, and a textured, deep-blue finish over the rest of it? chrome-plating the whole thing and then trying to paint on top of it doesn't sound very effective (paint would flake off... unless you ground it/roughed the chrome away, I suppose); and just chrome paint on top of blue paint, wouldn't give the mirror finish I was thinking of. seems like a waste to chrome-plate something, then grind most of it away (except for the parts I want left polished); but I guess that's how it may have to be. actually, a polished stainless-steel case would probably be better than chrome; but I don't think there's anything commercial like that; and I'm not enough of a sheet-metal worker to make my own. :( PC Power & Cooling (wwww.pcpowercooling.com) has a full-tower case that can be had in black with a chrome bezel; but the price with knock you over. :( of course, I could just be cheezy and get some 16ga polished stainless sheet; then cut the lightning bolts out of that and stick them on my case with double-sided tape or something. :) what's a good sheet-stainless supplier in town? Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Thu Apr 19 23:09:30 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] National ISP that is Linux friendly? In-Reply-To: <3adf5cdd.649a.269167349@cloudnet.com>; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 09:47:09PM +0000 References: <3adf5cdd.649a.269167349@cloudnet.com> Message-ID: <20010419230930.C19417@real-time.com> > I hate to say it, but I've heard that of all the nationwide > ISPs MSN is about the best in terms of speed, busy signals, > and linux friendliness. everything I've heard from people who use MSN in that the disconnection rate is horrible... people often can't stay on more than 20 mins. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From jamie at getsetnet.net Thu Apr 19 23:13:37 2001 From: jamie at getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:29 2005 Subject: Analog RAM meter (was Re: [TCLUG] black case:CDROM) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Good tips for the cdrom. I like them. Sure I can make something work from that. I was thinking some more about the meters. Maybe it would be possible to build a prototype with an old sound card. The sound card would be the makeshift digital to analog converter, and we wouldn't have to write new drivers. Just software that measures the amount of ram and sends a different frequency to the sound card. The sound card would then generate an audio signal. I think that it wouldn't be too hard to find a simple schematic for a analog frequency counter that could accept output from the sound card. The meter would fluctuate with the audio frequency piped into it, which would be varying with the amount of ram in use. - Jme -- "It's pretty hard to stop a man who eats his toast every morning." From chrome at real-time.com Thu Apr 19 23:24:00 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OmniKey keyboard... In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109840@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 03:01:32PM -0500 References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109840@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010419232400.D19417@real-time.com> > Omnikey's are sweet. But if I don't use a split keyboard, my wrists feel > like someone smashed them with a big hammer. I wish someone would produce > an Omnikey-esque quality split keyboard. I'd pay $200 for one, especially > if it was black. :) I use a Kinesis Ergo at work, and yep, it cost $200 and took a couple weeks to get used to (I'm a slow learner); but my wrists don't hurt anymore. :) www.kinesis-ergo.com there's a place in town called CSI Ergonomics (I'm thinking they have an office on 5th St. and 2nd Ave. in Mpls; but I'm probably missing it by a few blocks) that sells them. the keyboard itself is pretty high-quality... keys feel really good and clicky. my beefs with it: ctrl, alt, home, end, PgUp, PgDn are in f**ked up places now... middle of the keyboard, under your thumbs. can't do the spans like I'm used to (ctrl-esc, alt-tab), and other chords need to be done two-handed (ctrl-e, ctrl-a, ctrl-c, ctrl-d). esc is too small and close to F1 (they're little rubber nubs, basically). too easy to hit F1 and get the vi help screen, rather than escaping to command mode. and are right next to one another. too easy to hit when you meant . arrow keys are broken into up, down on the right hand; and left, right on the left hand. takes ages to get used to; and makes playing Freecraft (Warcraft 2 clone) about impossible. :( :( basically, it was meant for secretaries, and not for programmers. :( I suppose I could remap some of the keys; if I could figure out the remapped scheme I want. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From thekremer at mn.mediaone.net Fri Apr 20 00:40:47 2001 From: thekremer at mn.mediaone.net (Justin Kremer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake 8.0 In-Reply-To: <002401c0c8d3$acb854b0$eaaf7a81@doug> Message-ID: <200104200542.f3K5gwx02728@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> man...i'm in a pissy mood, and LookOut formatted e-mail doesn't help my mood at all. I can see all the html formatting and everything, but it's annoying since Evolution's background is grey, and outlook sets it's background to white by default Anyone know if Evolution would have a way to filter mail i receive that was sent with outlook and send it to a folder that i will choose to check quite infrequently? Also, please tell me if this e-mail is formatted in an annoying fashion. I'm not sure if i found the option to wrap text or not. On 19 Apr 2001 08:21:41 -0500, Doug Hanson wrote: > Slashdot has posted Mandrake 8.0 is on several mirrors :)~ Here is the post: > > New Mandrake 8.0 is finally out. Official announcement will come today, but new ISO files are already on some of mirrors. Main improvements are kernel =2.4.3, KDE =2.1.1, GNOME 1.4, Nautilus 1.0, Evolution 0.9, XFree86 =4.0.3, RPM 4.0, improved installer with pictures and other nice stuff. Enjoy > > Doug Hanson > President > Highland Computing > dhanson2@qwest.net > http://www.highlandcomputing.com From jonathankl_2001 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 20 06:56:21 2001 From: jonathankl_2001 at yahoo.com (Jonathan Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Where can I find this? In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109854@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010420115621.29656.qmail@web13403.mail.yahoo.com> www.caseetc.com might have them, or else one of their links has them... Altrhough I believe they are soldered... :( -J. --- "Austad, Jay" wrote: > I need some blue LEDs for my new case, but these are small ones, > not the > normal size ones that you can get at radio shack. > > Here's a picture of the one I will be replacing: > http://209.240.67.45/pix/index.php?mode=view&album=misc&pic=small_led.jpg&di > spsize=800&start=0 > > Anyone know where I can find this in blue? Preferably with the > same type of > leads on it so it will plug in just like the current ones (yes, > they plug > in, not soldered!). > > I checked Jameco and Digikey, but they don't have pictures, and the > closest > I could find measured 3mm diameter, which I think is a little big, > but i'm > not sure. > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From sraun at fireopal.org Fri Apr 20 07:10:28 2001 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help! Multi-domain hint? Message-ID: <20010420071028.A6672@iaxs.net> OK, my wife asked for a vanity domain for her birthday. I've already got my Linux (debian potato) box running as fireopal.org, providing mail, web, ftp, and ssh services. Can anyone point me at a reasonable write-up on what it takes to get the box to provide those same services to _her_ domain? -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From jonathankl_2001 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 20 07:16:05 2001 From: jonathankl_2001 at yahoo.com (Jonathan Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help! Multi-domain hint? In-Reply-To: <20010420071028.A6672@iaxs.net> Message-ID: <20010420121605.95003.qmail@web13402.mail.yahoo.com> A Write up? I always thought the best way was to hack at config files untuil it works? Are you going to have a dedicated IP for her domain? If not ssh should still answer to both, Swith to Qmail+Patches and Vmailmgr for Email/POP, Apache is easy enought o configure with virtual hosts directives............. Jonathan --- Scott Raun wrote: > OK, my wife asked for a vanity domain for her birthday. > > I've already got my Linux (debian potato) box running as > fireopal.org, > providing mail, web, ftp, and ssh services. > > Can anyone point me at a reasonable write-up on what it takes to > get > the box to provide those same services to _her_ domain? > > -- > Scott Raun > sraun@fireopal.org > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From scott.w.fischer at att.net Fri Apr 20 07:50:50 2001 From: scott.w.fischer at att.net (scott.w.fischer@att.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] National ISP that is Linux friendly? Message-ID: <20010420125050.WBXK3852.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> > Are there any national ISP that are linux friendly? Earthlink and ATT Worldnet are the two I've used. Both are very Linux friendly but Worldnet seems a bit more reliable (very rarely do I have trouble dialing in or getting dropped). -swf From veldy at veldy.net Fri Apr 20 07:52:53 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] National ISP that is Linux friendly? References: Message-ID: <000c01c0c998$d08ce340$3028680a@tgt.com> They are having major problems with a redback router in Chicago. Seems all the local connectivity goes through that router. It has been giving me major trouble about once a week for the last month. Throughput drops to 10% and stalls constantly. I have a history of trouble tickets with them and they don't replace it. I suppose I will have to replace them. They have 24 hours before I declare breach of contract (they asked me to give them 24-36 hours). How hard is it to fix a single router anyway? Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Troy Johnson" To: Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] National ISP that is Linux friendly? > www.xo.com? > > >>> Leighann978@cs.com 04/19/01 04:22PM >>> > Are there any national ISP that are linux friendly? > > AOL and Compuserve are total crap. Called for tech support and if it's not > windows or Mac they refuse to help you. > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Fri Apr 20 08:19:11 2001 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Terminal servers (Re: cool. high uptime.) In-Reply-To: <20010419182749.0225b84a.hick0088@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 06:27:49PM -0500 References: <20010419154825.A4274@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <20010419182749.0225b84a.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010420081911.A6503@sorry.cs.umn.edu> > Do you mean `terminal server' in the sense of connecting the serial ports > of various servers up to one box so that you can control their consoles? Yup. It's just a PC with some serial cards with cables running to about 4 machines. We just use 'cu' to connect. > Have many people set things up like this? Does it work very well? What's > some good (and hopefully relatively inexpensive) hardware for the job? I really don't know what kind of cards they are. It was all setup before I got here. Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "I watch bad movies in my own home because I'm insane. I've been driven mad by them, and like heroin, I keep wanting more, even though it's collapsing my heart." - Mike Nelson, MST3k ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From rsinland at gvtel.com Fri Apr 20 08:40:27 2001 From: rsinland at gvtel.com (Robert Sinland) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Very-very off topic References: <3adf2026.25e1.269167349@cloudnet.com> Message-ID: <3AE03C4B.43ACDF50@gvtel.com> Does anyone recall who the singer was that wore that Swan costume at the last Oscar Awards? Did some searching on google but came up with nothing usefull yet. Sorry for the spam :( RS From BTimm at Interelate.com Fri Apr 20 08:55:25 2001 From: BTimm at Interelate.com (Brad Timm) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Very-very off topic Message-ID: Bjork -----Original Message----- From: Robert Sinland [mailto:rsinland@gvtel.com] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 8:40 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Very-very off topic Does anyone recall who the singer was that wore that Swan costume at the last Oscar Awards? Did some searching on google but came up with nothing usefull yet. Sorry for the spam :( RS _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Fri Apr 20 08:55:46 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Very-very off topic References: <3adf2026.25e1.269167349@cloudnet.com> <3AE03C4B.43ACDF50@gvtel.com> Message-ID: <3AE03FE2.42129A36@fandre.com> Wasn't it Bjork? Robert Sinland wrote: > > Does anyone recall who the singer was that wore that Swan costume > at the last Oscar Awards? Did some searching on google but came up > with nothing usefull yet. Sorry for the spam :( > RS > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jamie_seeman at securecomputing.com Fri Apr 20 09:02:18 2001 From: jamie_seeman at securecomputing.com (Jamie Seeman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Very-very off topic References: <3adf2026.25e1.269167349@cloudnet.com> <3AE03C4B.43ACDF50@gvtel.com> <3AE03FE2.42129A36@fandre.com> Message-ID: <3AE0416A.352C4A9@securecomputing.com> Yes, it was Bjork. Clay Fandre wrote: > Wasn't it Bjork? > > Robert Sinland wrote: > > > > Does anyone recall who the singer was that wore that Swan costume > > at the last Oscar Awards? Did some searching on google but came up > > with nothing usefull yet. Sorry for the spam :( > > RS > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jamie Seeman Secure Computing - Test Engineer 651.628.5420 From dhanson2 at uswest.net Fri Apr 20 09:07:43 2001 From: dhanson2 at uswest.net (Doug Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake 8.0 References: <200104200542.f3K5gwx02728@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <008201c0c9a3$45714fc0$eaaf7a81@doug> Geeeeze, Exchuuuuse Me! I had a co-worker beat me silly, break my fingers and tie my shoelaces together and push me down! I am stuck with this email client at work! No more posting for me!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Kremer" To: Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 12:40 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Mandrake 8.0 > man...i'm in a pissy mood, and LookOut formatted e-mail doesn't help my > mood at all. > I can see all the html formatting and everything, but it's annoying > since Evolution's background is grey, and outlook sets it's background > to white by default > Anyone know if Evolution would have a way to filter mail i receive that > was sent with outlook and send it to a folder that i will choose to > check quite infrequently? > Also, please tell me if this e-mail is formatted in an annoying fashion. > I'm not sure if i found the option to wrap text or not. > > > > On 19 Apr 2001 08:21:41 -0500, Doug Hanson wrote: > > Slashdot has posted Mandrake 8.0 is on several mirrors :)~ Here is the post: > > > > New Mandrake 8.0 is finally out. Official announcement will come today, but new ISO files are already on some of mirrors. Main improvements are kernel =2.4.3, KDE =2.1.1, GNOME 1.4, Nautilus 1.0, Evolution 0.9, XFree86 =4.0.3, RPM 4.0, improved installer with pictures and other nice stuff. Enjoy > > > > Doug Hanson > > President > > Highland Computing > > dhanson2@qwest.net > > http://www.highlandcomputing.com > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From blayer at qwest.net Fri Apr 20 09:07:57 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Analog RAM meter (Eureka!) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010420090757.0ce7d4d3.blayer@qwest.net> On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 23:13:37 -0500 (CDT) "Jamie Ostrowski" wrote: >Maybe it would be > possible to build a prototype with an old sound card. The sound card would > be the makeshift digital to analog converter, and we wouldn't have to > write new drivers. Just software that measures the amount of ram and sends > a different frequency to the sound card. Well, I think we've hit on it here. I had a very similar realization this morning when I was driving in. But you've overlooked an even easier way to use the sound card... Rather than have the CPU or RAM figure translate into a frequency, why not _amplitude_? A simple inverse log function in the 'meterd' daemon will provide the proper scaling, and the sound card's amplified audio output can drive a sensitive AC voltmeter directly, with a little resistive padding to set the meter range! The frequency idea is still not bad, expecially if one owned a nixie-tube frequency counter :) Unfortunately, those things are typically the size of a PC case. No muss, no fuss. I will handle the hardware end of this, who wants to write the code? How about the daemon should read a config file (or accept a command line argument) to tell it if it should output information on RAM, CPU or SWAP... -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Apr 20 09:11:37 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Power supply Message-ID: <3ae04399.3799.269167349@cloudnet.com> After dinking around with my system last night I am pretty sure that my 300 watt power supply is indeed a POS. It's an Enlight, which I thought were good, maybe I got a lemon. Anyway, looks like I'll need to buy a new one before I upgrade to a T-bird. Since I'm buying a new one anyway, I might as well get a 400. Any suggestions on a good 400 watt? From mpaulsen at charter.net Fri Apr 20 09:15:18 2001 From: mpaulsen at charter.net (Mike Paulsen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake 8.0 In-Reply-To: <008201c0c9a3$45714fc0$eaaf7a81@doug> References: <200104200542.f3K5gwx02728@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010420091310.00a34100@mail.charter.net> Outlook: Tools > Options > Send > plaintext. At 09:07 AM 4/20/01, you wrote: >Geeeeze, Exchuuuuse Me! I had a co-worker beat me silly, break my fingers >and tie my shoelaces together and push me down! I am stuck with this email >client at work! No more posting for me!!! > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Justin Kremer" >To: >Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 12:40 AM >Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Mandrake 8.0 > > > > man...i'm in a pissy mood, and LookOut formatted e-mail doesn't help my > > mood at all. > > I can see all the html formatting and everything, but it's annoying > > since Evolution's background is grey, and outlook sets it's background > > to white by default > > Anyone know if Evolution would have a way to filter mail i receive that > > was sent with outlook and send it to a folder that i will choose to > > check quite infrequently? > > Also, please tell me if this e-mail is formatted in an annoying fashion. > > I'm not sure if i found the option to wrap text or not. > > > > > > > > On 19 Apr 2001 08:21:41 -0500, Doug Hanson wrote: > > > Slashdot has posted Mandrake 8.0 is on several mirrors :)~ Here is the >post: > > > > > > New Mandrake 8.0 is finally out. Official announcement will come today, >but new ISO files are already on some of mirrors. Main improvements are >kernel =2.4.3, KDE =2.1.1, GNOME 1.4, Nautilus 1.0, Evolution 0.9, XFree86 >=4.0.3, RPM 4.0, improved installer with pictures and other nice stuff. >Enjoy > > > > > > Doug Hanson > > > President > > > Highland Computing > > > dhanson2@qwest.net > > > http://www.highlandcomputing.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From pc451 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 20 09:15:49 2001 From: pc451 at yahoo.com (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Loki games 50% off for LUGs! Message-ID: <20010420141549.65320.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> Just saw this on /. Anyone interested? Need to get a minimum of ten games for the discount to apply. I'm not sure if that means ten of the same title, or ten different games. Anyways, here is Loki's list of games: o Civilization: Call To Power o Myth II o Railroad Tycoon II o Eric's Ultimate Solitare o Heretic II o Heroes III o Quake III Arena o Heavy Gear II o Simcity 3000 o Sid Meier's Alpha Centuari o Soldier of Fortune o Descent 3 o MindRover o Unreal Tournament o Kohan: Immortal Sovereigns o Tribes 2 o Deus Ex o Rune o Heavy Metal: F.A.K.K.2 I already have Alpha Centauri on my rarely used 'doze partition, but I am really interested in Civ: CTP. So: who's interested? :Peter __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From moomonk at wolverine.timelords.org Fri Apr 20 09:22:41 2001 From: moomonk at wolverine.timelords.org (Joshua Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Renumbering partitions...REALLY WOULD LIKE SOME POINTERS!! In-Reply-To: <3ADE0B03.A6B214F9@eetc.com> Message-ID: You could just move the data around manually and avoid all the hassle. There's a two byte signature at the end of the boot block the preceded by 64 bytes of partition table. Your effective offsets for partition tables in a boot block is partiion 0 = 0x1BE -> 0x1CD 1 = 0x1CE -> 0x1DD 2 = 0x1DE -> 0x1ED 3 = 0x1EE -> 0x1FD 0x1FE -> 0x1FF is typically equal to 0x55 0xAA You can arbitrarily move each 16 byte block around, just be sure to reference it correctly. I've never used anything (knowingly) that required that each partition entry be in logical order (from location on disk) but YMMV. You'd edit your extended partitions by locating the boot block for the extended partition. It's formatted the same (for this datum anyway). I've always used M$ debug or Norton's diskedit to do these sorts of changes. On a related note *I'd* like to know of any linux disk editors... Anyone? Joshua Jore ___SIG___ $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map{$_%16or$t^=$c^=( $m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110;$t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16 -2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z)[$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h =5;$_=unxb24,join"",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$ d=unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d>>12^$d>>4^ $d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q*8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^ (($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]}print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Simeon Johnston wrote: > This is really bothering me. Anyone know how to do this? > I tried RIP and found out it won't mount the partition because it doesn't > have the modules for it. > I will have to install RH 7.1 or another distro to mount it and reconfigure > it. That sucks. > No I don't have a boot disk. > > sim > > Simeon Johnston wrote: > > > I tried installing RH7.1 and all was well until I tried to delete a few > > partitions and combine them. > > When I recreated the partition it numbered it last instead of in the > > order they are on the disk. I tried to use fdisk to renumber them but > > it wouldn't save it to the MBR. It would show up on screen as being in > > order but when I looked at the partitions again after writing it to disk > > nothing had changed. > > > > Is there a way to renumber partitions? > > Is there a different version of fdisk that will do this? > > Is all hope lost for my poor MBR? > > > > sim > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jethro at freakzilla.com Fri Apr 20 09:23:31 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Very-very off topic In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Brad Timm wrote: > Bjork Very broad definition of the word "singer"... -Yaron -- From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Fri Apr 20 08:52:18 2001 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John Joseph Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake 8.0 In-Reply-To: <008201c0c9a3$45714fc0$eaaf7a81@doug>; from dhanson2@uswest.net on Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 09:07:43AM -0500 References: <200104200542.f3K5gwx02728@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> <008201c0c9a3$45714fc0$eaaf7a81@doug> Message-ID: <20010420085218.A20037@mn.rr.com> On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 09:07:43AM -0500, Doug Hanson wrote: > I had a co-worker beat me silly, break my fingers and tie my > shoelaces together and push me down! Yeah, using Outlook makes people do that. -- According to the Genesis account, the tower of Babel was man's second major engineering undertaking, after Noah's ark. Babel was the first engineering fiasco. - F. Brooks, _The Mythical Man-Month_ From nate at nerp.net Fri Apr 20 09:26:23 2001 From: nate at nerp.net (Nate Sanders) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Loki games 50% off for LUGs! References: <20010420141549.65320.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3AE0470F.40093790@nerp.net> Very cool! Is this something we could all pitch in request for and then start making group orders? I'm up for it! Peter Clark wrote: > Just saw this on /. Anyone interested? Need to get a minimum of ten > games for the discount to apply. I'm not sure if that means ten of the > same title, or ten different games. > Anyways, here is Loki's list of games: > o Civilization: Call To Power > o Myth II > o Railroad Tycoon II > o Eric's Ultimate Solitare > o Heretic II > o Heroes III > o Quake III Arena > o Heavy Gear II > o Simcity 3000 > o Sid Meier's Alpha Centuari > o Soldier of Fortune > o Descent 3 > o MindRover > o Unreal Tournament > o Kohan: Immortal Sovereigns > o Tribes 2 > o Deus Ex > o Rune > o Heavy Metal: F.A.K.K.2 > I already have Alpha Centauri on my rarely used 'doze partition, but > I am really interested in Civ: CTP. So: who's interested? > :Peter > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Nate Sanders nate@chef.nerp.net http://www.damnation.net IRC: darkskull@NEWNET From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Fri Apr 20 09:27:18 2001 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Power supply In-Reply-To: <3ae04399.3799.269167349@cloudnet.com>; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 02:11:37PM +0000 References: <3ae04399.3799.269167349@cloudnet.com> Message-ID: <20010420092718.C6503@sorry.cs.umn.edu> The Enermax "Whisper" PSs rule. Thay have a 430W (IIRC) that is quite nice. I'd go with their 350W though. It's got at least 9 outputs and is a steal at about $70 (I know, a lot for a PS, but it's high quality and very quiet). They also have a 550W! Gabe On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 02:11:37PM +0000, Brian wrote: > After dinking around with my system last night I am pretty > sure that my 300 watt power supply is indeed a POS. It's an > Enlight, which I thought were good, maybe I got a lemon. > Anyway, looks like I'll need to buy a new one before I > upgrade to a T-bird. Since I'm buying a new one anyway, I > might as well get a 400. Any suggestions on a good 400 > watt? > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "I watch bad movies in my own home because I'm insane. I've been driven mad by them, and like heroin, I keep wanting more, even though it's collapsing my heart." - Mike Nelson, MST3k ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From nate at nerp.net Fri Apr 20 09:28:03 2001 From: nate at nerp.net (Nate Sanders) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Loki games 50% off for LUGs! References: <20010420141549.65320.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3AE04773.8FAA3189@nerp.net> I think they do mean 10, of each Title. Not just 10 differant games total: > Note: > * Your LUG as an entity would enroll in this program, and not the > individual members; > * Your LUG must order a minimum of 10 per selected title; <--- 10 of each? > * Loki will cover domestic shipping! -- Nate Sanders nate@chef.nerp.net http://www.damnation.net IRC: darkskull@NEWNET From blayer at qwest.net Fri Apr 20 09:29:42 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My old box is for sale In-Reply-To: <3adf2026.25e1.269167349@cloudnet.com> References: <3adf2026.25e1.269167349@cloudnet.com> Message-ID: <20010420092942.19ab184d.blayer@qwest.net> I'm selling my old workhorse box, I want to build a new 1Ghz system. Here is what I've got: AMD K6-2/450 CPU Tyan 'Trinity' 100AT (motherboard ( 128MB PC100 SDRAM 4.3 GB HD 24X CD-ROM Drive 1.44MB 3.5" floppy drive Crystal 423X 16bit, SoundBlaster compatible sound card S3 ViRGE GX/2 4MB AGP video Creative VooDoo2 12MB 3D graphics accelerator (OpenGL & Glide games) NE2000+ NIC Northgate full tower case Slackware Linux 7.1 / Kernel 2.4.3, well configured. Asking $300.00. Anyone interested, reply off-list. From chrome at real-time.com Fri Apr 20 09:32:06 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OmniKey keyboard... In-Reply-To: <20010419232400.D19417@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 11:24:00PM -0500 References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109840@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> <20010419232400.D19417@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010420093206.I8225@real-time.com> > I use a Kinesis Ergo at work, and yep, it cost $200 and took a couple weeks > to get used to (I'm a slow learner); but my wrists don't hurt anymore. :) > www.kinesis-ergo.com > there's a place in town called CSI Ergonomics (I'm thinking they have an > office on 5th St. and 2nd Ave. in Mpls; but I'm probably missing it by a few > blocks) that sells them. here's the correct address: 400 First Ave. North Suite 210 Minneapolis 612-375-0034 http://www.csiergonomics.com/ Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From nate at nerp.net Fri Apr 20 09:33:05 2001 From: nate at nerp.net (Nate Sanders) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Where can I find this? References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109854@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <3AE048A1.423AB321@nerp.net> Be sure to let us know if you find some all right? I have this exact same case and was in the works to start a few mods here and their with lights and other blinky blinky toys :-] Keep us informed. "Austad, Jay" wrote: > I need some blue LEDs for my new case, but these are small ones, not the > normal size ones that you can get at radio shack. > > Here's a picture of the one I will be replacing: > http://209.240.67.45/pix/index.php?mode=view&album=misc&pic=small_led.jpg&di > spsize=800&start=0 > > Anyone know where I can find this in blue? Preferably with the same type of > leads on it so it will plug in just like the current ones (yes, they plug > in, not soldered!). > > I checked Jameco and Digikey, but they don't have pictures, and the closest > I could find measured 3mm diameter, which I think is a little big, but i'm > not sure. > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Nate Sanders nate@chef.nerp.net http://www.damnation.net IRC: darkskull@NEWNET From zibby at ringworld.org Fri Apr 20 09:37:06 2001 From: zibby at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Progeny help. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Make sure your using XFree 4.0, Progeny ships with both 4.0.2 and 3.3.6. You want the nv driver under 4.0. Dunno if GeForce cards work under 3.3.6, but why would you want to find out? Setting up your usb mouse may still be a bit of a manual thing. You'll need kiernel 2.2.18+ or 2.4. Then follow the documentation in /usr/src/linux/Documentation/usb/input.txt | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | | His power apparently lies in his ability to | | choose incompetent enemies. | | - Crow T. Robot, MST3K, "Prince of Space" | From zibby at ringworld.org Fri Apr 20 09:39:13 2001 From: zibby at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Power supply In-Reply-To: <3ae04399.3799.269167349@cloudnet.com> Message-ID: pcpowerandcooling.com is my first thought. I'd have to go witht he ultra quiet one. :) | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | | His power apparently lies in his ability to | | choose incompetent enemies. | | - Crow T. Robot, MST3K, "Prince of Space" | From jamie at getsetnet.net Fri Apr 20 09:43:26 2001 From: jamie at getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Analog RAM meter (Eureka!) In-Reply-To: <20010420090757.0ce7d4d3.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: Yes, I think adjusting the signal via amplitude is definately the route to go. It would be much simpler and I am sure there are more schematics available for that type of circuit. I am not much of a programmer, but I will check with some of my programming buddies and explain what is going on, and see if they can offer some light on that. Otherwise maybe someone else on the list here can offer some help on the programming end. - Jamie On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Bill Layer wrote: > On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 23:13:37 -0500 (CDT) > "Jamie Ostrowski" wrote: > > > >Maybe it would be > > possible to build a prototype with an old sound card. The sound card > would > > be the makeshift digital to analog converter, and we wouldn't have to > > write new drivers. Just software that measures the amount of ram and > sends > > a different frequency to the sound card. > > Well, I think we've hit on it here. I had a very similar realization this > morning when I was driving in. But you've overlooked an even easier way to > use the sound card... Rather than have the CPU or RAM figure translate > into a frequency, why not _amplitude_? A simple inverse log function in > the 'meterd' daemon will provide the proper scaling, and the sound card's > amplified audio output can drive a sensitive AC voltmeter directly, with a > little resistive padding to set the meter range! > > The frequency idea is still not bad, expecially if one owned a nixie-tube > frequency counter :) Unfortunately, those things are typically the size of > a PC case. > > No muss, no fuss. I will handle the hardware end of this, who wants to > write the code? How about the daemon should read a config file (or accept > a command line argument) to tell it if it should output information on > RAM, CPU or SWAP... > > > -.bill.layer.- > > -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- > > -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- "It's pretty hard to stop a man who eats his toast every morning." From BTimm at Interelate.com Fri Apr 20 09:36:28 2001 From: BTimm at Interelate.com (Brad Timm) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Very-very off topic Message-ID: True, she would have to be classified as Singer / Actor now but singer will work :) -----Original Message----- From: Yaron [mailto:jethro@freakzilla.com] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 9:24 AM To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Very-very off topic Hi, On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Brad Timm wrote: > Bjork Very broad definition of the word "singer"... -Yaron -- _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu Fri Apr 20 09:49:52 2001 From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] any interest in an INDY In-Reply-To: <3AE048A1.423AB321@nerp.net> Message-ID: I have picked up a couple of toasted SGI indies and managed to put one working machine together. It should have 96 to 128 megs of memory, a R5000 150 mhz processor, 24 bit video, and two to three gigs of hd space. There is a 17 inch trinitron monitor for the deal too. I'll have to put irix 6.2 on it and run it for a few days to make sure it is reliable and stable. If anyone would be interested in it drop me a line. Colin Kilbane From andy at theasis.com Fri Apr 20 09:56:26 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Loki games 50% off for LUGs! In-Reply-To: <20010420141549.65320.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I currently have RR Tycoon II, Civ CTP, and Quake III. I would buy several of the games below at 1/2 off - probably 3. But we don't want everyone to send a list to the list, do we? Would someone be interested in building a sign-up web form? There's also the question of how you go about buying them, once the interest is established, since no single person is likely to get 10. Andy On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Peter Clark wrote: > Just saw this on /. Anyone interested? Need to get a minimum of ten > games for the discount to apply. I'm not sure if that means ten of the > same title, or ten different games. > Anyways, here is Loki's list of games: > o Civilization: Call To Power > o Myth II > o Railroad Tycoon II > o Eric's Ultimate Solitare > o Heretic II > o Heroes III > o Quake III Arena > o Heavy Gear II > o Simcity 3000 > o Sid Meier's Alpha Centuari > o Soldier of Fortune > o Descent 3 > o MindRover > o Unreal Tournament > o Kohan: Immortal Sovereigns > o Tribes 2 > o Deus Ex > o Rune > o Heavy Metal: F.A.K.K.2 > I already have Alpha Centauri on my rarely used 'doze partition, but > I am really interested in Civ: CTP. So: who's interested? > :Peter > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From blayer at qwest.net Fri Apr 20 09:56:43 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Analog RAM meter (Eureka!) In-Reply-To: References: <20010420090757.0ce7d4d3.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20010420095643.341060d2.blayer@qwest.net> On Fri, 20 Apr 2001 09:43:26 -0500 (CDT) "Jamie Ostrowski" wrote: Yes, I think adjusting the signal via amplitude is definately the > route to go. It would be much simpler and I am sure there are more > schematics available for that type of circuit. That 'circuit' will be a patch cord from the audio jack, running through a resistive divider or L-pad (passive control, like a pot) right to the meter's input. This is the beauty of it, we don't need to engineer any digital hardware... all in the analog domain. Childs play. -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Apr 20 10:01:35 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help! Multi-domain hint? In-Reply-To: <20010420121605.95003.qmail@web13402.mail.yahoo.com>; from jonathankl_2001@yahoo.com on Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 05:16:05AM -0700 References: <20010420071028.A6672@iaxs.net> <20010420121605.95003.qmail@web13402.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20010420100135.R7492@ringworld.org> * Jonathan Kline [010420 07:23]: > If not ssh should still answer to both, Swith to Qmail+Patches and postfix. main.cf change, add hostname to "mydestination". :) Patches? what patches. Oh yeah, no crappy non-DFSG-compliant license either. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010420/425540ff/attachment.pgp From dcsherman at qwest.net Fri Apr 20 10:07:52 2001 From: dcsherman at qwest.net (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Loki games 50% off for LUGs! In-Reply-To: <20010420141549.65320.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010420100650.009ec490@pop.mpls.qwest.net> I would definitely be interested in Rune and/or Heavy Gear II, maybe even Heavy Metal if someone here can tell me it's a good game. Dave Sherman At 07:15 AM 04/20/2001 -0700, you wrote: > Just saw this on /. Anyone interested? Need to get a minimum of ten >games for the discount to apply. I'm not sure if that means ten of the >same title, or ten different games. > Anyways, here is Loki's list of games: >o Civilization: Call To Power >o Myth II >o Railroad Tycoon II >o Eric's Ultimate Solitare >o Heretic II >o Heroes III >o Quake III Arena >o Heavy Gear II >o Simcity 3000 >o Sid Meier's Alpha Centuari >o Soldier of Fortune >o Descent 3 >o MindRover >o Unreal Tournament >o Kohan: Immortal Sovereigns >o Tribes 2 >o Deus Ex >o Rune >o Heavy Metal: F.A.K.K.2 > I already have Alpha Centauri on my rarely used 'doze partition, but >I am really interested in Civ: CTP. So: who's interested? > :Peter > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list Dave Sherman SoftServ Business Systems, Inc. "Quid quid latine dictum sit, webmaster@ssbs.com altum viditur." (763) 569-9839 From BTimm at Interelate.com Fri Apr 20 10:07:16 2001 From: BTimm at Interelate.com (Brad Timm) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ATI Video Board Message-ID: I am thinking about getting an ATI board (RADEON 64MB DDR VIVO AGP) but would like to hear about anybody's expeirence with this board? Anyone using this with RH/Mandrake? BTW: The board is available from ATI through a trade up program. They ask that you send a board back to them. ( I asked and they have no restirctions on what you send them.) So I will be returning a promise vga with 256K video ram :) Brad Timm From jeffr at odeon.net Fri Apr 20 10:10:33 2001 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Power supply In-Reply-To: <3ae04399.3799.269167349@cloudnet.com> Message-ID: I've got three old enlight AT cases that have been great. However, I've also got a couple of friends who bought newer enlight ATX cases because I've had such good experiences with mine. Both of them ended up replacing the power supplies in the ATX cases. Jeff On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Brian wrote: > After dinking around with my system last night I am pretty > sure that my 300 watt power supply is indeed a POS. It's an > Enlight, which I thought were good, maybe I got a lemon. > Anyway, looks like I'll need to buy a new one before I > upgrade to a T-bird. Since I'm buying a new one anyway, I > might as well get a 400. Any suggestions on a good 400 > watt? > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Apr 20 10:13:57 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Power supply Message-ID: <3ae05235.677b.269167349@cloudnet.com> Gabe writes: > quiet). They also have a 550W! Brian replies: Hmmm... no time wasted here :-) Honestly, I believe the 550 would be a good investment. The case I have will probably be the last case I ever buy. It's a nice full tower with casters. It's off-whiteish/beige/crap color right now, but this summer it may find itself becoming jet black or chrome. It's got easy to access bays (lots of them!) and nice side panels (none of that U-shaped cover crap). Within the next year fans will be added, processors requiring more fans will be added, and the 550 Watt will make a nice addition. From esper at sherohman.org Fri Apr 20 10:16:02 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Loki games 50% off for LUGs! In-Reply-To: <20010420141549.65320.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com>; from pc451@yahoo.com on Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 07:15:49AM -0700 References: <20010420141549.65320.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20010420101602.E9816@sherohman.org> Let's see... On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 07:15:49AM -0700, Peter Clark wrote: > o Civilization: Call To Power > o Myth II > o Heretic II > o Heroes III > o Heavy Gear II Got these. > o Sid Meier's Alpha Centuari > o Soldier of Fortune > o Rune Definitely want these. (Has Loki said anything about when Rune should be out yet?) > o Kohan: Immortal Sovereigns > o Tribes 2 > o Deus Ex Some interest in these, but don't know enough about them to say whether I'd want to buy them or not. -- That's not gibberish... It's Linux. - Byers, The Lone Gunmen Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From stauffer_james at yahoo.com Fri Apr 20 10:28:08 2001 From: stauffer_james at yahoo.com (James A. N. Stauffer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH 7.1 install on 486 win 12MB or RAM Message-ID: <20010420152808.3484.qmail@web11504.mail.yahoo.com> It seems that since I only have 12MB of RAM I have to do an expert text install. Is that correct? Also I am trying to do a network install and I am limited to NFS. Besides adding more memory is there any way to get around these restrictions? Also I have an old 3Com 509(I think) NIC. Where do I get a driver disk for it to use during the install? I can only find drivers to be used after it is installed. (I just want a basic install so that I can run CIPE.) ===== = o o o o o o o . . . __________________________ _____=======_||___ o _____ | James A. N. Stauffer | | Stauffer_James | .][__n_n_|DD[ ====____ | Spam food: uce@ftc.gov | | @yahoo.com | >(________|__|_[________]_|________________________|_|________________| _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o¬o¬o o¬o¬o` 'o¬o o¬o` __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From spencer at sihope.com Fri Apr 20 11:35:04 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (AAAunderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] migrating from dos/lantastic/netware References: <200104201403.f3KE35t26348@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <3AE06538.3BCD642D@sihope.com> I have a problem and am actively looking for a solution. Let me begin by saying I am offering vegetarian food as compensation for services rendered. I run the Mud Pie Vegetarian Restaurant in Mpls. Our pos stations run dos 6.22. We have two of these, both 486's both with touchsreen monitors. One has the MS redirect client for netware installed, the other runs some lantastic software that is quite old ( I'll get the version# in an hour or so). The machines boot and run a script to logon to the server. The server is a win95 box running the MSredirector & ipx/spx & netware services. It also runs the RestaurantManager program from action systems inc. ASI. It's backend is a 16bit dos program. The front end is a 32bit program. All the data are stored as .dbf files. I have been slowly building my own rendition of the data base in separate files. What I want to do is move everything to linux. I must migrate in such a way that the servers do not have to overcome a learning curve just yet. I plan to have that learning curve when I change the software for good. My first priority is to find a way to get the current system to run on linux. Even if I can only get one or the other client/server to run on linux, I am on my way. So in a perfect world I guess I would like to see the machines run linux with the current program. In the meanwhile find some folks that are interested in an open source pos project. If anyone is interested in any part of this project please mail me directly. Any input as far as the logistics of ipx on linux and other stuff would be greatly appreciated. -Spencer Underground mailto:spencer@sihope.com 8 days 10:47 hrs uptime suse.2.2.16 From sraun at fireopal.org Fri Apr 20 10:44:11 2001 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Loki games 50% off for LUGs! In-Reply-To: <20010420141549.65320.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com>; from pc451@yahoo.com on Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 07:15:49AM -0700 References: <20010420141549.65320.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20010420104411.B7058@iaxs.net> Follow this link to the announcement - http://lwn.net/2001/0419/a/loki-lugs.php3. For some clarification: * Your LUG as an entity would enroll in this program, and not the individual members; * Your LUG must order a minimum of 10 per selected title; Personally, I'd be interested in SimCity 3000. Can we get enough interest to get 10 each of whichever titles? On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 07:15:49AM -0700, Peter Clark wrote: > Just saw this on /. Anyone interested? Need to get a minimum of ten > games for the discount to apply. I'm not sure if that means ten of the > same title, or ten different games. > Anyways, here is Loki's list of games: > o Civilization: Call To Power > o Myth II > o Railroad Tycoon II > o Eric's Ultimate Solitare > o Heretic II > o Heroes III > o Quake III Arena > o Heavy Gear II > o Simcity 3000 > o Sid Meier's Alpha Centuari > o Soldier of Fortune > o Descent 3 > o MindRover > o Unreal Tournament > o Kohan: Immortal Sovereigns > o Tribes 2 > o Deus Ex > o Rune > o Heavy Metal: F.A.K.K.2 > I already have Alpha Centauri on my rarely used 'doze partition, but > I am really interested in Civ: CTP. So: who's interested? > :Peter > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From jeffr at odeon.net Fri Apr 20 10:41:37 2001 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Loki games 50% off for LUGs! In-Reply-To: <20010420104411.B7058@iaxs.net> Message-ID: I forwarded the list to a group of friends that have LAN parties from time to time. Some of them use linux, and some more of them want to if they can play games. I'll let you know if there's any interest from them. If there is, then getting 10+ copies of some of these shouldn't be too difficult. Jeff On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Scott Raun wrote: > Follow this link to the announcement - > http://lwn.net/2001/0419/a/loki-lugs.php3. > > For some clarification: > > * Your LUG as an entity would enroll in this program, and not the > individual members; > * Your LUG must order a minimum of 10 per selected title; > > Personally, I'd be interested in SimCity 3000. Can we get enough > interest to get 10 each of whichever titles? > > On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 07:15:49AM -0700, Peter Clark wrote: > > Just saw this on /. Anyone interested? Need to get a minimum of ten > > games for the discount to apply. I'm not sure if that means ten of the > > same title, or ten different games. > > Anyways, here is Loki's list of games: > > o Civilization: Call To Power > > o Myth II > > o Railroad Tycoon II > > o Eric's Ultimate Solitare > > o Heretic II > > o Heroes III > > o Quake III Arena > > o Heavy Gear II > > o Simcity 3000 > > o Sid Meier's Alpha Centuari > > o Soldier of Fortune > > o Descent 3 > > o MindRover > > o Unreal Tournament > > o Kohan: Immortal Sovereigns > > o Tribes 2 > > o Deus Ex > > o Rune > > o Heavy Metal: F.A.K.K.2 > > I already have Alpha Centauri on my rarely used 'doze partition, but > > I am really interested in Civ: CTP. So: who's interested? > > :Peter > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From jethro at yaron.org Fri Apr 20 10:51:43 2001 From: jethro at yaron.org (jethro@yaron.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Loki games 50% off for LUGs! In-Reply-To: <20010420141549.65320.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20010420141549.65320.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <987781903.3ae05b0f3e648@dragon> Hi, Quoting Peter Clark : > Just saw this on /. Anyone interested? Need to get a minimum of ten > games for the discount to apply. I'm not sure if that means ten of the > same title, or ten different games. It's 10 of each title - but I'm one for Tribes 2 (#$%^* best buy sold me a _broken_ one for Windoze and won't refund it!!!) Should I revive the old Who Wants An Indy page? (: -Yaron -- From jethro at yaron.org Fri Apr 20 10:54:15 2001 From: jethro at yaron.org (jethro@yaron.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Analog RAM meter (Eureka!) In-Reply-To: <20010420095643.341060d2.blayer@qwest.net> References: <20010420090757.0ce7d4d3.blayer@qwest.net> <20010420095643.341060d2.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <987782055.3ae05ba7949b5@dragon> Hi, Quoting Bill Layer : > That 'circuit' will be a patch cord from the audio jack, running through > a resistive divider or L-pad (passive control, like a pot) right to the > meter's input. This might be a stupid question, but wouldn't this mean you can't listen to MP3s and have your CPU monitored at the same time? -Yaron -- From nate at nerp.net Fri Apr 20 10:54:39 2001 From: nate at nerp.net (Nate Sanders) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ATI Video Board References: Message-ID: <3AE05BBF.DB6E242B@nerp.net> I have this in a Win ME box. Havn't used it under Linux. As for the card it's self. I love it. Runs sweet on my machine. I'd go back to a Geforce tho next purchase I make. But this card is very very nice. Brad Timm wrote: > I am thinking about getting an ATI board (RADEON 64MB DDR VIVO AGP) > but would like to hear about anybody's expeirence with this board? > > Anyone using this with RH/Mandrake? > > BTW: The board is available from ATI through a trade up program. > They ask that you send a board back to them. > ( I asked and they have no restirctions on what you send them.) > So I will be returning a promise vga with 256K video ram :) > > Brad Timm > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Nate Sanders nate@chef.nerp.net http://www.damnation.net IRC: darkskull@NEWNET From andy at theasis.com Fri Apr 20 10:57:46 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Loki games 50% off for LUGs! In-Reply-To: <987781903.3ae05b0f3e648@dragon> Message-ID: > > Should I revive the old Who Wants An Indy page? (: That sounds like a great idea to me. One thing that's unclear about this deal is how Loki expects payment to work -- maybe they don't care and will leave that up to us to worry about. Is one person/organization supposed to front the cash and then collect it back from LUG members? Andy > > -Yaron > > -- > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jamie at getsetnet.net Fri Apr 20 11:08:28 2001 From: jamie at getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Analog RAM meter (Eureka!) In-Reply-To: <987782055.3ae05ba7949b5@dragon> Message-ID: On Fri, 20 Apr 2001 jethro@yaron.org wrote: > Hi, > > Quoting Bill Layer : > > > That 'circuit' will be a patch cord from the audio jack, running through > > a resistive divider or L-pad (passive control, like a pot) right to the > > meter's input. > > This might be a stupid question, but wouldn't this mean you can't listen to > MP3s and have your CPU monitored at the same time? No, thats not a dumb question. You're right, you wouldn't be able to listen to any mp3's. That is where the design falls short. It is a temporary solution until there is someone who is able to engineer Digital-Analog hardware and write the low level drivers required. I want to start out with the simple method to get things going, and then work on the seperate hardware / drivers for the long term version. > > -Yaron > > -- > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- "It's pretty hard to stop a man who eats his toast every morning." From esper at sherohman.org Fri Apr 20 11:05:32 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Analog RAM meter (Eureka!) In-Reply-To: <987782055.3ae05ba7949b5@dragon>; from jethro@yaron.org on Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 10:54:15AM -0500 References: <20010420090757.0ce7d4d3.blayer@qwest.net> <20010420095643.341060d2.blayer@qwest.net> <987782055.3ae05ba7949b5@dragon> Message-ID: <20010420110532.F9816@sherohman.org> On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 10:54:15AM -0500, jethro@yaron.org wrote: > This might be a stupid question, but wouldn't this mean you can't listen to > MP3s and have your CPU monitored at the same time? ISTR the original 'drive it with a sound card' suggestion starting with putting an extra card in the box. One to listen to, one to drive a gauge. -- That's not gibberish... It's Linux. - Byers, The Lone Gunmen Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From blayer at qwest.net Fri Apr 20 11:05:12 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Analog RAM meter (Eureka!) In-Reply-To: <987782055.3ae05ba7949b5@dragon> References: <20010420090757.0ce7d4d3.blayer@qwest.net> <20010420095643.341060d2.blayer@qwest.net> <987782055.3ae05ba7949b5@dragon> Message-ID: <20010420110512.01ca71c2.blayer@qwest.net> On Fri, 20 Apr 2001 10:54:15 -0500 (CDT) jethro@yaron.org wrote: > Hi, > > Quoting Bill Layer : > > > That 'circuit' will be a patch cord from the audio jack, running through > > a resistive divider or L-pad (passive control, like a pot) right to the > > meter's input. > > This might be a stupid question, but wouldn't this mean you can't listen to > MP3s and have your CPU monitored at the same time? Yes. I'd call this a proof-of-concept thing.. -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Fri Apr 20 11:09:31 2001 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Very-very off topic Message-ID: I liked the sugar cubes, but bjork is a very different animal. >>> jethro@freakzilla.com 04/20/01 09:23AM >>> Hi, On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Brad Timm wrote: > Bjork Very broad definition of the word "singer"... -Yaron -- _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jonathankl_2001 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 20 11:11:18 2001 From: jonathankl_2001 at yahoo.com (Jonathan Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH 7.1 install on 486 win 12MB or RAM In-Reply-To: <20010420152808.3484.qmail@web11504.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20010420161118.77113.qmail@web13403.mail.yahoo.com> On the Mandrake CD in the images directory or whatever its called these days should have either a modules.img or net.img Read teh docs in the Boot Disks Directory.... Jonathan --- "James A. N. Stauffer" wrote: > It seems that since I only have 12MB of RAM I have to do an expert > text > install. Is that correct? Also I am trying to do a network > install and I > am limited to NFS. Besides adding more memory is there any way to > get > around these restrictions? > Also I have an old 3Com 509(I think) NIC. Where do I get a driver > disk for > it to use during the install? I can only find drivers to be used > after it > is installed. > (I just want a basic install so that I can run CIPE.) > > ===== > = o o o o o o o . . . __________________________ > _____=======_||___ > o _____ | James A. N. Stauffer | | > Stauffer_James | > .][__n_n_|DD[ ====____ | Spam food: uce@ftc.gov | | @yahoo.com > | > >(________|__|_[________]_|________________________|_|________________| > _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o¬o¬o o¬o¬o` 'o¬o > o¬o` > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From esper at sherohman.org Fri Apr 20 11:07:14 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Loki games 50% off for LUGs! In-Reply-To: ; from andy@theasis.com on Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 10:57:46AM -0500 References: <987781903.3ae05b0f3e648@dragon> Message-ID: <20010420110714.H9816@sherohman.org> On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 10:57:46AM -0500, andy@theasis.com wrote: > Is one person/organization supposed to front the cash and then > collect it back from LUG members? I'd say that's a given. -- That's not gibberish... It's Linux. - Byers, The Lone Gunmen Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From sraun at fireopal.org Fri Apr 20 11:25:48 2001 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Loki games 50% off for LUGs! In-Reply-To: ; from andy@theasis.com on Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 10:57:46AM -0500 References: <987781903.3ae05b0f3e648@dragon> Message-ID: <20010420112548.A7609@iaxs.net> On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 10:57:46AM -0500, andy@theasis.com wrote: > On Fri, Apr 20, 2001, Yaron asked: > > > > Should I revive the old Who Wants An Indy page? (: > > That sounds like a great idea to me. If someone already has a page that can be easily hacked, go for it! > One thing that's unclear about this deal is how Loki expects payment to > work -- maybe they don't care and will leave that up to us to worry > about. Is one person/organization supposed to front the cash and then > collect it back from LUG members? That's the way I'd interpret it. Especially since they say 'get them for prizes' in the announcement. -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From jethro at yaron.org Fri Apr 20 11:28:41 2001 From: jethro at yaron.org (jethro@yaron.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Loki games 50% off for LUGs! In-Reply-To: <20010420112548.A7609@iaxs.net> References: <987781903.3ae05b0f3e648@dragon> <20010420112548.A7609@iaxs.net> Message-ID: <987784121.3ae063b9a506d@dragon> Hi, Quoting Scott Raun : > > > Should I revive the old Who Wants An Indy page? (: > > That sounds like a great idea to me. > If someone already has a page that can be easily hacked, go for it! Ok, I'll do it this weekend (or this evening(: ) -Yaron From simeonuj at eetc.com Fri Apr 20 12:17:37 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Loki games 50% off for LUGs! References: Message-ID: <3AE06F15.BD2DBDE9@eetc.com> Anyone know the full prices then? I would love to get Tribes 2 ( looks really good ), Descent 3, Heavy Metal and maybe some others at half off. Are these just linux versions? I know that with Unreal you needed the Windows full version to install it. I wonder if these are both windows and linux. That would make it much easier to sell of the extras. : ) I don't have any friends that run linux though. Most of them us a Mac ( so do I ). sim jeffr@odeon.net wrote: > I forwarded the list to a group of friends that have LAN parties from time > to time. Some of them use linux, and some more of them want to if they > can play games. I'll let you know if there's any interest from them. > > If there is, then getting 10+ copies of some of these shouldn't be too > difficult. > > Jeff > > On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Scott Raun wrote: > > > Follow this link to the announcement - > > http://lwn.net/2001/0419/a/loki-lugs.php3. > > > > For some clarification: > > > > * Your LUG as an entity would enroll in this program, and not the > > individual members; > > * Your LUG must order a minimum of 10 per selected title; > > > > Personally, I'd be interested in SimCity 3000. Can we get enough > > interest to get 10 each of whichever titles? > > > > On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 07:15:49AM -0700, Peter Clark wrote: > > > Just saw this on /. Anyone interested? Need to get a minimum of ten > > > games for the discount to apply. I'm not sure if that means ten of the > > > same title, or ten different games. > > > Anyways, here is Loki's list of games: > > > o Civilization: Call To Power > > > o Myth II > > > o Railroad Tycoon II > > > o Eric's Ultimate Solitare > > > o Heretic II > > > o Heroes III > > > o Quake III Arena > > > o Heavy Gear II > > > o Simcity 3000 > > > o Sid Meier's Alpha Centuari > > > o Soldier of Fortune > > > o Descent 3 > > > o MindRover > > > o Unreal Tournament > > > o Kohan: Immortal Sovereigns > > > o Tribes 2 > > > o Deus Ex > > > o Rune > > > o Heavy Metal: F.A.K.K.2 > > > I already have Alpha Centauri on my rarely used 'doze partition, but > > > I am really interested in Civ: CTP. So: who's interested? > > > :Peter From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Fri Apr 20 12:42:32 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Analog RAM meter (Eureka!) In-Reply-To: <20010420095643.341060d2.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Bill Layer wrote: > That 'circuit' will be a patch cord from the audio jack, running through a > resistive divider or L-pad (passive control, like a pot) right to the > meter's input. This is the beauty of it, we don't need to engineer any > digital hardware... all in the analog domain. Childs play. Far be it from me to mess with your fun, but you're making this way too hard. You don't need the sound card. Any signal where it's integral can be proportional by some factor to the amount of RAM will do. You only need a couple of caps, a couple of resistors, and probably a $.25 buffer amp. Take a signal from the PC speaker line, or a serial line. Or use the sound card. Really, I think you can do this for about a dollars worth of parts, besides the meters. Have fun, Phil M -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Fri Apr 20 12:50:18 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Analog RAM meter (Eureka!) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Bill Layer wrote: > > > That 'circuit' will be a patch cord from the audio jack, running through a > > resistive divider or L-pad (passive control, like a pot) right to the > > meter's input. This is the beauty of it, we don't need to engineer any > > digital hardware... all in the analog domain. Childs play. > > Far be it from me to mess with your fun, but you're making this way too > hard. You don't need the sound card. Any signal where it's integral can > be proportional by some factor to the amount of RAM will do. You only > need a couple of caps, a couple of resistors, and probably a $.25 buffer > amp. Take a signal from the PC speaker line, or a serial line. Or use > the sound card. Really, I think you can do this for about a dollars worth > of parts, besides the meters. Wait, skip the buffer amp. Just use a single transistor as a voltage follower. You now need a couple more resistors, maybe a couple more caps. To do the log scaling from a soundcard out, you're going to rectify it back to DC, then need a log amp (or SSM / Analog Devices / THAT audio integrated level driver). Why not stay DC and keep it simple? And keep your sound card for tunes? -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From andy at theasis.com Fri Apr 20 12:54:15 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Loki games 50% off for LUGs! In-Reply-To: <3AE06F15.BD2DBDE9@eetc.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Simeon Johnston wrote: > Anyone know the full prices then? Mostly between $40 and $50. Those prices are available at http://www.lokigames.com/ > I would love to get Tribes 2 ( looks really > good ), Tribes2 is really good, however the linux version isn't yet ready to ship. Oh wait! Yes it is, as of yesterday! WOO! Maybe the thing to do is fill out a form, and then have someone volunteer to place the order for titles on a 1-at-a-time basis. E.g., I'd be inclined to front the cash for Tribes 2 as soon as we rack up 10 volunteers, if someone else actually does the general TCLUG registration to Loki. Loki may be picky about the details of such an arrangement. > Descent 3, Heavy Metal and maybe some others at half off. Also recall that some titles are available through, e.g., Electronics Boutique for $9.95. This may be a periodic/temporary thing. > Are these just linux versions? I know that with Unreal you needed the Windows > full version to install it. I wonder if these are both windows and linux. > That would make it much easier to sell of the extras. I don't think any of these versions will work on linux. Andy > sim From thudak at sistina.com Fri Apr 20 14:18:30 2001 From: thudak at sistina.com (Tom Hudak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Amanda In-Reply-To: ; from mend0070@tc.umn.edu on Sat, Apr 14, 2001 at 04:19:39PM -0500 References: <200104142105.f3EL5Kt26316@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010420141830.A12581@localhost> On Sat, Apr 14, 2001 at 04:19:39PM -0500, Phil Mendelsohn wrote: >I know someone -- I think Carl Soderstrom -- was mucking with Amanda. I >need to get it up and running. It seems straight forward, but I was >wondering if anyone had a suggestion as to things to watch for. What are >the tricky bits? For the love of god DO NOT USE DUMP!!!!! What an evil pos! I have lost many backups due to dumps inability to do things right. Other than that, I'll let you look at my config if you'd like, things are running smoothly around here (when Ben changes tapes if I leave town. *ahem*) and provided you have a good tape drive (again... *ahem*) It's pretty straight forward when you get it finished. You'll sit there and tell yourself, "Self, that wasn't so hard after all." :-P Thanks, -- Thomas J. Hudak Systems Administrator Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com Phone: 612.379.3951 Page: 612.318.1967 Fax: 612.379.3952 Key fingerprint = BEC6 3181 4C9B A7BB AF11 4717 6F85 B346 380D 523E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109854@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <3AE08E32.C92D6943@citilink.com> Try http://www.digikey.com or more specifically http://www.digikey.com/scripts/US/DKSUS.dll?Criteria?Ref=95236&Cat=17498587 You'll have to look in their spec pdf's to make sure you get the dimensions you want but I'm sure they'll have it... or try http://www.mouser.com/ Chris "Austad, Jay" wrote: > I need some blue LEDs for my new case, but these are small ones, not the > normal size ones that you can get at radio shack. > > Here's a picture of the one I will be replacing: > http://209.240.67.45/pix/index.php?mode=view&album=misc&pic=small_led.jpg&di > spsize=800&start=0 > > Anyone know where I can find this in blue? Preferably with the same type of > leads on it so it will plug in just like the current ones (yes, they plug > in, not soldered!). > > I checked Jameco and Digikey, but they don't have pictures, and the closest > I could find measured 3mm diameter, which I think is a little big, but i'm > not sure. > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Fri Apr 20 15:26:33 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL Woes - Part II Message-ID: <3AE09B79.49A675C3@fandre.com> So I make my daily call to Telocity to find out the status of my DSL and when it will be back up (going on 3 weeks now) and to my amazement they tell me they are no longer using Rhythms as my network provider. So I ask who is my new provider, and guess what they tell me.... Qwest!!! I'm not sure if I should laugh or cry. So is Rhythms going under? So I called AT&T to find out when I can get cable-modem. End of summer. Doh! From natecars at real-time.com Fri Apr 20 15:42:08 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL Woes - Part II In-Reply-To: <3AE09B79.49A675C3@fandre.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Clay Fandre wrote: > So I make my daily call to Telocity to find out the status of my DSL and > when it will be back up (going on 3 weeks now) and to my amazement they > tell me they are no longer using Rhythms as my network provider. So I > ask who is my new provider, and guess what they tell me.... Qwest!!! I'm > not sure if I should laugh or cry. So is Rhythms going under? From clay at fandre.com Fri Apr 20 15:46:51 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL Woes - Part II References: Message-ID: <3AE0A03B.D214A423@fandre.com> Nate Carlson wrote: > > On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Clay Fandre wrote: > > So I make my daily call to Telocity to find out the status of my DSL and > > when it will be back up (going on 3 weeks now) and to my amazement they > > tell me they are no longer using Rhythms as my network provider. So I > > ask who is my new provider, and guess what they tell me.... Qwest!!! I'm > > not sure if I should laugh or cry. So is Rhythms going under? > > >From what I've heard, Qworst is actually better than Rythyms for IDSL.. Better how? I've been happy with Rythms. When I first signed up for service they were at my house the next day. IIRC it was a Saturday also. Plus they were an hour early. Funny thing is, Qwest put in the circuit in the first place. Rhythms just managed the equipment. From chrome at real-time.com Fri Apr 20 15:46:33 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Loki games 50% off for LUGs! In-Reply-To: <20010420101602.E9816@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 10:16:02AM -0500 References: <20010420141549.65320.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> <20010420101602.E9816@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20010420154633.H14908@real-time.com> > > o Rune > > Definitely want these. (Has Loki said anything about when Rune should be out > yet?) Rune looks cool... I'm up for buying a copy if there's a Linux version now. not much of a FPS player (I suck too badly and get gibbed right away); but I might give it a whirl, with the right game. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From dhanson2 at uswest.net Fri Apr 20 15:58:22 2001 From: dhanson2 at uswest.net (Doug Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL Woes - Part II References: <3AE09B79.49A675C3@fandre.com> Message-ID: <01a801c0c9dc$a4d0a860$eaaf7a81@doug> I just dropped Qworst and signed up with AT&T/Covad DSL service, no problems there and you can get up to 1.5 MB speed!!! Qworst promised 640 BUT will only guarantee 256k! Call Annette Hayes @ AT&T 1-866-832-5315... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clay Fandre" To: "TCLUG" Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 3:26 PM Subject: [TCLUG] DSL Woes - Part II > So I make my daily call to Telocity to find out the status of my DSL and > when it will be back up (going on 3 weeks now) and to my amazement they > tell me they are no longer using Rhythms as my network provider. So I > ask who is my new provider, and guess what they tell me.... Qwest!!! I'm > not sure if I should laugh or cry. So is Rhythms going under? > > So I called AT&T to find out when I can get cable-modem. End of summer. > Doh! > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From pc451 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 20 15:58:34 2001 From: pc451 at yahoo.com (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Wood mice, keyboards, and monitors Message-ID: <20010420205834.49003.qmail@web11106.mail.yahoo.com> I was searching google for companies that sell key caps when I came across this link: http://www.miniprix.com/ It's a UK company that sells wood mice, keyboards, and monitors. I remember someone talking about making a wood case the other day; this would be good if you had $86 for a mouse, $495 for a keyboard, and $3,000+ for a monitor. Or, I suppose you could prove you are Not-Just-The-AVERAGE-Hacker and do it yourself! :) Show off your wood-working skills! Impress members of the opposite sex! Be universally acknowledged as the l33t of the l33t! Chess board? We don't need no stinkin' CHESS BOARD! Also, I might as well take this opportunity and explain WHY I was looking for key caps. I just acquired a numeric keypad and, upon taking it apart, discovered that there was an additional row on top, but without any keys. Turns out that they are arrow keys. If anyone can recommend a good place for cheap key caps, I would be greatful. :Peter __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From pc451 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 20 16:05:57 2001 From: pc451 at yahoo.com (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ATI Video Board In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010420210557.50788.qmail@web11106.mail.yahoo.com> > BTW: The board is available from ATI through a trade up program. > They ask that you send a board back to them. > ( I asked and they have no restirctions on what you send them.) > So I will be returning a promise vga with 256K video ram :) > > Brad Timm Could you give more details? I've got an old generic board lying around that I would be willing to get rid of. Would I get an ATI board for a discount? That would be nice! :) :Peter __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From clay at fandre.com Fri Apr 20 16:35:04 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL Woes - Part II References: <3AE09B79.49A675C3@fandre.com> <01a801c0c9dc$a4d0a860$eaaf7a81@doug> Message-ID: <3AE0AB88.20ED7093@fandre.com> Sure, rub it in. I'm stuck on this darn DLC so I can only get IDSL. Doug Hanson wrote: > > I just dropped Qworst and signed up with AT&T/Covad DSL service, no problems > there and you can get up to 1.5 MB speed!!! Qworst promised 640 BUT will > only guarantee 256k! Call Annette Hayes @ AT&T 1-866-832-5315... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Clay Fandre" > To: "TCLUG" > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 3:26 PM > Subject: [TCLUG] DSL Woes - Part II > > > So I make my daily call to Telocity to find out the status of my DSL and > > when it will be back up (going on 3 weeks now) and to my amazement they > > tell me they are no longer using Rhythms as my network provider. So I > > ask who is my new provider, and guess what they tell me.... Qwest!!! I'm > > not sure if I should laugh or cry. So is Rhythms going under? > > > > So I called AT&T to find out when I can get cable-modem. End of summer. > > Doh! From labmat at mn.mediaone.net Fri Apr 20 17:03:13 2001 From: labmat at mn.mediaone.net (Matthew LaBerge) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Power supply In-Reply-To: <3ae04399.3799.269167349@cloudnet.com> Message-ID: ENERMAX!!! -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Brian Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 9:12 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Power supply After dinking around with my system last night I am pretty sure that my 300 watt power supply is indeed a POS. It's an Enlight, which I thought were good, maybe I got a lemon. Anyway, looks like I'll need to buy a new one before I upgrade to a T-bird. Since I'm buying a new one anyway, I might as well get a 400. Any suggestions on a good 400 watt? _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From labmat at mn.mediaone.net Fri Apr 20 17:05:01 2001 From: labmat at mn.mediaone.net (Matthew LaBerge) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Very-very off topic In-Reply-To: <3AE03C4B.43ACDF50@gvtel.com> Message-ID: Why? -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Robert Sinland Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 8:40 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Very-very off topic Does anyone recall who the singer was that wore that Swan costume at the last Oscar Awards? Did some searching on google but came up with nothing usefull yet. Sorry for the spam :( RS _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Fri Apr 20 17:49:50 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Amanda In-Reply-To: <20010420141830.A12581@localhost> Message-ID: Thanks. Might take you up on it, things seem smooth now (but I'm not done yet.) If you're not using dump, what are *you* happy with? Phil M On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Tom Hudak wrote: > On Sat, Apr 14, 2001 at 04:19:39PM -0500, Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > >I know someone -- I think Carl Soderstrom -- was mucking with Amanda. I > >need to get it up and running. It seems straight forward, but I was > >wondering if anyone had a suggestion as to things to watch for. What are > >the tricky bits? > For the love of god DO NOT USE DUMP!!!!! What an evil pos! I have lost many > backups due to dumps inability to do things right. > > Other than that, I'll let you look at my config if you'd like, things are > running smoothly around here (when Ben changes tapes if I leave town. *ahem*) > and provided you have a good tape drive (again... *ahem*) > > It's pretty straight forward when you get it finished. You'll sit there and > tell yourself, "Self, that wasn't so hard after all." :-P > > Thanks, > -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Fri Apr 20 17:51:27 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Where can I find this? In-Reply-To: <3AE08E32.C92D6943@citilink.com> Message-ID: Or try http://www.newark.com. Newark's bigger and more corporate (Digi's my fave) but they have most everything and if you don't see it, just ask. On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Christopher Gahlon wrote: > Try http://www.digikey.com > or more specifically > http://www.digikey.com/scripts/US/DKSUS.dll?Criteria?Ref=95236&Cat=17498587 > > You'll have to look in their spec pdf's to make sure you get the dimensions you > want but I'm sure they'll have it... > > or try http://www.mouser.com/ > > Chris > > "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > > I need some blue LEDs for my new case, but these are small ones, not the > > normal size ones that you can get at radio shack. > > > > Here's a picture of the one I will be replacing: > > http://209.240.67.45/pix/index.php?mode=view&album=misc&pic=small_led.jpg&di > > spsize=800&start=0 > > > > Anyone know where I can find this in blue? Preferably with the same type of > > leads on it so it will plug in just like the current ones (yes, they plug > > in, not soldered!). > > > > I checked Jameco and Digikey, but they don't have pictures, and the closest > > I could find measured 3mm diameter, which I think is a little big, but i'm > > not sure. > > > > Jay > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Fri Apr 20 17:53:49 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL Woes - Part II In-Reply-To: <01a801c0c9dc$a4d0a860$eaaf7a81@doug> Message-ID: What kind of rates? On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Doug Hanson wrote: > I just dropped Qworst and signed up with AT&T/Covad DSL service, no problems > there and you can get up to 1.5 MB speed!!! Qworst promised 640 BUT will > only guarantee 256k! Call Annette Hayes @ AT&T 1-866-832-5315... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Clay Fandre" > To: "TCLUG" > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 3:26 PM > Subject: [TCLUG] DSL Woes - Part II > > > > So I make my daily call to Telocity to find out the status of my DSL and > > when it will be back up (going on 3 weeks now) and to my amazement they > > tell me they are no longer using Rhythms as my network provider. So I > > ask who is my new provider, and guess what they tell me.... Qwest!!! I'm > > not sure if I should laugh or cry. So is Rhythms going under? > > > > So I called AT&T to find out when I can get cable-modem. End of summer. > > Doh! > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From BTimm at Interelate.com Fri Apr 20 18:40:43 2001 From: BTimm at Interelate.com (Brad Timm) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ATI Video Board Message-ID: <20010420210557.50788.qmail@web11106.mail.yahoo.com> The link for the order form is here http://www.atitech.com/na/pages/trade_rebate/trade_ups/trade_up.html You order the card, wait and send back any video ( per there own webmasters email) card... They currently have no restrictions on the return card. They have a couple of choices and the prices beat Pricewatch on the two cards I checked out.... So if you want ATI this seems to be a good deal... Brad -----Original Message----- From: Peter Clark To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Sent: 4/20/2001 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] ATI Video Board > BTW: The board is available from ATI through a trade up program. > They ask that you send a board back to them. > ( I asked and they have no restirctions on what you send them.) > So I will be returning a promise vga with 256K video ram :) > > Brad Timm Could you give more details? I've got an old generic board lying around that I would be willing to get rid of. Would I get an ATI board for a discount? That would be nice! :) :Peter __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Fri Apr 20 19:27:17 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Very-very off topic In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Brad Timm wrote: > True, she would have to be classified as Singer / Actor now but singer will > work :) She said she will not do any more films... > -----Original Message----- > From: Yaron [mailto:jethro@freakzilla.com] > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 9:24 AM > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Very-very off topic > > > Hi, > > On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Brad Timm wrote: > > > Bjork > > Very broad definition of the word "singer"... Hmmm... Actually not that broad. I really don't want to start a flamefest but she is a good singer. And don't get me started on the latest rap stuff... or ... . florin From florin at iucha.net Fri Apr 20 19:32:15 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Very-very off topic In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Matthew LaBerge wrote: > Why? Because CmdrTaco rejected it from "AskSlashdot". florin > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On > Behalf Of Robert Sinland > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 8:40 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Very-very off topic > > Does anyone recall who the singer was that wore that Swan costume > at the last Oscar Awards? Did some searching on google but came up > with nothing usefull yet. Sorry for the spam :( > RS > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jack at jacku.com Fri Apr 20 22:12:35 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:35 2005 Subject: Chrome-plate cases (was:Re: RE: [TCLUG] black case) In-Reply-To: <20010419230650.B19417@real-time.com> References: <3adefef1.3572.269167349@cloudnet.com> <20010419230650.B19417@real-time.com> Message-ID: <01042022123500.01250@geezer> Why not some high quality mylar for the chrome part of it. I used to get stuff at Ax-Man that you could use as a mirror if mount to a hard flat background. you could cement this on top of the painted case. If it takes paint apply it as a full sheet to the side of the case and then paint over it. That way you could scratch some of the paint for "sparkles" if you want. ;-) Jack On Thursday 19 April 2001 23:06, you wrote: > My personal case color scheme idea is a blue case, with stylized chrome > lightning bolts on the sides (shaped like the one on the winamp logo; the > zigzag 'Z'). > trouble is, how do you get both the mirror-polished lightning, and a > textured, deep-blue finish over the rest of it? chrome-plating the whole > thing and then trying to paint on top of it doesn't sound very effective > (paint would flake off... unless you ground it/roughed the chrome away, I > suppose); and just chrome paint on top of blue paint, wouldn't give the > mirror finish I was thinking of. > seems like a waste to chrome-plate something, then grind most of it > away (except for the parts I want left polished); but I guess that's how it > may have to be. > actually, a polished stainless-steel case would probably be better > than chrome; but I don't think there's anything commercial like that; and > I'm not enough of a sheet-metal worker to make my own. :( > > PC Power & Cooling (wwww.pcpowercooling.com) has a full-tower case that > can be had in black with a chrome bezel; but the price with knock you over. > > :( > > of course, I could just be cheezy and get some 16ga polished > stainless sheet; then cut the lightning bolts out of that and stick them on > my case with double-sided tape or something. :) > what's a good sheet-stainless supplier in town? > > Carl Soderstrom From tanner at real-time.com Sat Apr 21 13:18:56 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] list speed In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1097FF@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Fri, Apr 13, 2001 at 02:41:45AM -0500 References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1097FF@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010421131856.A7048@real-time.com> Quoting Austad, Jay (austad@marketwatch.com): > Bob, what'd you do to the list? It's nice and fast now. > Lot's of little tweaks. I believe I posted the changes to the list. The biggest change was to turn off DNS checks. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From dhanson2 at uswest.net Sat Apr 21 13:17:46 2001 From: dhanson2 at uswest.net (Doug Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL Woes - Part II References: Message-ID: <001701c0ca8f$5de385e0$0200000a@qwest.net> 608k is $49.95 and 1.5MB is $79.95 Free installation and the router is $100.00 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Mendelsohn" To: Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] DSL Woes - Part II > What kind of rates? > > On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Doug Hanson wrote: > > > I just dropped Qworst and signed up with AT&T/Covad DSL service, no problems > > there and you can get up to 1.5 MB speed!!! Qworst promised 640 BUT will > > only guarantee 256k! Call Annette Hayes @ AT&T 1-866-832-5315... > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Clay Fandre" > > To: "TCLUG" > > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 3:26 PM > > Subject: [TCLUG] DSL Woes - Part II > > > > > > > So I make my daily call to Telocity to find out the status of my DSL and > > > when it will be back up (going on 3 weeks now) and to my amazement they > > > tell me they are no longer using Rhythms as my network provider. So I > > > ask who is my new provider, and guess what they tell me.... Qwest!!! I'm > > > not sure if I should laugh or cry. So is Rhythms going under? > > > > > > So I called AT&T to find out when I can get cable-modem. End of summer. > > > Doh! > > > _______________________________________________ > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > -- > "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From margie at mail-abuse.org Sat Apr 14 08:39:09 2001 From: margie at mail-abuse.org (Margie Arbon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MAPS Zone Changes Message-ID: <3693638820.987241149@MARGIE> The MAPS domain hosting agreement with Vixie Enterprises has expired and will not be renewed. Accordingly, domain names ending in the old MAPS.VIX.COM suffix will shortly become invalid. As of 30 April 2001, all users of the MAPS RBL or DUL must use MAPS' native servers to continue their service. Please change any configurations and/or any documentation you are responsible for to the following zones: Was: rbl.maps.vix.com Should be: blackholes.mail-abuse.org Was: dul.maps.vix.com Should be: dialups.mail-abuse.org There are no changes required for the RSS (relays.mail-abuse.org) or RBL+ (rbl-plus.mail-abuse.org). Please note that RBL+ queries are only permitted via subscription as are zone transfers of RBL and RBL+. The MAPS RSS and MAPS DUL will continue to be available for normal queries, but full zone transfers will be secured and available only by subscription in the near future. Please write to subscription-request@mail-abuse.org for the appropriate contracts if you are interested in subscribing to these services. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Margie Arbon Mail Abuse Prevention System, LLC margie@mail-abuse.org http://mail-abuse.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Sat Apr 21 14:47:28 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Loki games 50% off for LUGs! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey, Ok, apparently I nuked some big parts of the SGI order thinggie, so it'll take me more than 5 seconds to geet it up as the Loki Order Page. HOWever. I cannot find ANY info regarding this offer on Loki's page. I can't find a pricelist or a reliable list of available titles, either. The announcement email said you have to register as a LUG, but not where/how to do it. You are also required to only give/sell these to LUG members, and only at LUG events. God knows how they think they'll enforce this. Who's going to handle the LUG's financial side? Unlike many other LUGs we don't really have a treasury, do we? -Yaron -- From tanner at real-time.com Sat Apr 21 15:12:42 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat 7.1 Message-ID: <20010421151242.J7048@real-time.com> We are open for RedHat 7.1 leeching. ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/redhat/linux/7.1/ -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Sat Apr 21 15:20:50 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mailman & sendmail? In-Reply-To: <016601c0c68c$f194b630$3028680a@tgt.com>; from veldy@veldy.net on Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 10:50:20AM -0500 References: <016601c0c68c$f194b630$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <20010421152050.L7048@real-time.com> Quoting Thomas T. Veldhouse (veldy@veldy.net): > Is the tclug-list@mn-linux.org list using sendmail still? I noticed that > mails are being sent to the list in nearly real-time now. Is this because > of the changes mad to the sendmail configuration or is it using postfix now > :) ? Changes to sendmail. I thought for sure I posted the changes. :-( Here they are again. First make sure you DO NOT have FEATURE(`relay_based_on_MX'), that was the single most important factor. See your README.cf for what this does. Here are my tweaks for timeouts: define(`confTO_INITIAL', `2m')dnl define(`confTO_CONNECT', `2m')dnl define(`confTO_ICONNECT', `2m')dnl define(`confTO_HELO', `2m')dnl define(`confTO_RCPT', `2m')dnl define(`confTO_QUEUERETURN', `1h')dnl define(`confTO_QUEUEWARN', `30m')dnl To REALLY get a performance boast I enabled 20 queues: define(QUEUE_DIR,`/var/spool/mqueue/q*') See sendmail.net for a great article on this. Here is my mm_cfg.py # Ceiling on the number of recipients that can be specified in a single SMTP # transaction. Set to 0 to submit the entire recipient list in one # transaction. Only used with the SMTPDirect DELIVERY_MODULE. SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 50 # Two other qrunner resource management variables. The first controls the # maximum lifetime of any single qrunner process, and the second controls the # maximum number of messages a single qrunner process will, er, process. # Exceeding either limit causes qrunner to exit, reclaiming system resources # and deleting the lock. Other qrunners will then process the remaining # messages. Set either to None to inhibit this resource check. QRUNNER_PROCESS_LIFETIME = minutes(30) QRUNNER_MAX_MESSAGES = 300 -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Sat Apr 21 15:23:08 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mailman & sendmail? In-Reply-To: <3ADB1BDA.7B9F3FA7@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 11:20:42AM -0500 References: <016601c0c68c$f194b630$3028680a@tgt.com> <3ADB1BDA.7B9F3FA7@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20010421152308.M7048@real-time.com> Quoting Clay Fandre (clay@fandre.com): > "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > > > > Is the tclug-list@mn-linux.org list using sendmail still? I noticed that > > mails are being sent to the list in nearly real-time now. Is this because > > of the changes mad to the sendmail configuration or is it using postfix now > > :) ? > > > FYI: > http://archives2.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2001-April/009435.html I knew I posted this before! :-) Added some more details to my last post and a couple of more tweaks. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Sat Apr 21 15:25:07 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH 7.1 released In-Reply-To: <3ADB1D67.3A57F5F8@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 11:27:19AM -0500 References: <3ADB1CE1.F77DC288@fandre.com> <3ADB1D67.3A57F5F8@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20010421152507.N7048@real-time.com> Quoting Clay Fandre (clay@fandre.com): > Clay Fandre wrote: > > > > Anyone download RH 7.1 yet? > > FYI: > ftp://ftp.redhat.com/redhat/linux/7.1/en/os/i386 > > ftp://download.sourceforge.net/pub/mirrors/redhat/redhat/linux/7.1/en/os/i386 > > Nate, the real-time mirror synced up yet? Hey! X-Mailer said NT in it! Joke or are you slumming today? Anyways, the mirror is in sync, has been before I went on vacation, but had to wait until the official blessing from RH to open it up. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Sat Apr 21 15:27:05 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH 7.1 released In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 11:38:59AM -0500 References: <3ADB1D67.3A57F5F8@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20010421152705.O7048@real-time.com> Quoting Nate Carlson (natecars@real-time.com): > On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > > > > Anyone download RH 7.1 yet? > > > > FYI: > > ftp://ftp.redhat.com/redhat/linux/7.1/en/os/i386 > > > > ftp://download.sourceforge.net/pub/mirrors/redhat/redhat/linux/7.1/en/os/i386 > > > > Nate, the real-time mirror synced up yet? > > Yeah, but Bob hasn't told me if I can open it up for sure or not yet. > Anyone on the RH Mirrors list? :( > Ummm, I'm not the bad guy here. :-( Redhat was pretty specific about NOT releasing 7.1 until an official announcement was made. Punishment for early release was permanent removal of your rsync/mirror privledges. I did not want that to happen. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Sat Apr 21 15:41:01 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fastest Redhat 7.1 ftp iso download In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010416220657.00a78050@pop.visi.com>; from mnlinux@technologyannex.com on Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 10:12:55PM -0500 References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010416220657.00a78050@pop.visi.com> Message-ID: <20010421154101.A18643@real-time.com> Quoting B. Eric Roth (mnlinux@technologyannex.com): > > ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/site/ftp.redhat.com/redhat/redhat-7.1-en/iso/i386/ > > I've been able to get 62KB per sec. Eh? That is over seas! Should use a local mirror. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Sat Apr 21 16:03:20 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fastest Redhat 7.1 ftp iso download In-Reply-To: <200104171400.f3HE0it29941@sprite.real-time.com>; from jwanderson@uswest.net on Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 09:00:43AM -0500 References: <3ADC4455.B9D82366@eetc.com> <200104171400.f3HE0it29941@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010421160320.C18643@real-time.com> Quoting Jay W. Anderson (jwanderson@uswest.net): > On 17 Apr 01, at 8:25, Simeon Johnston wrote: > > > > I looked yesterday but it wasn't up yet. I was also having problems logging > > onto the server. I think it was an application problem. > > Seems to work fine now. > > > I know that at one time Bob was limiting the # of connections so you > might of hit that. > I limit connections so just US addresses and I throttle connections down to 50K/s after 30Mb. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From austad at marketwatch.com Sat Apr 21 17:48:30 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake 8.0 question Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109861@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> If anyone has installed mandrake 8.0 final yet, could you do a "locate kscanlib" for me? Apparently kscanlib is supposed to be in the kdegraphics package for 2.1.1, but it's not in Mandrake's 7.2 updated version. They stripped alot of stuff out in the 7.2 version, like AA support, and APM for X 4.0.3. I need the kscanlib to finish a program I'm working on, and I want to upgrade to Mandrake 8.0. But if I'm going to have to grab the latest KDE from CVS and build it anyway, I might as well just stick with 7.2 for now and screw up this install instead of a new one. :) jay From austad at marketwatch.com Sat Apr 21 18:04:36 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake 8.0 question Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109863@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Oops, it might also be "libkscan" > -----Original Message----- > From: Austad, Jay > Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 5:49 PM > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake 8.0 question > > > If anyone has installed mandrake 8.0 final yet, could you do a "locate > kscanlib" for me? > > Apparently kscanlib is supposed to be in the kdegraphics > package for 2.1.1, > but it's not in Mandrake's 7.2 updated version. They > stripped alot of stuff > out in the 7.2 version, like AA support, and APM for X 4.0.3. > > I need the kscanlib to finish a program I'm working on, and I want to > upgrade to Mandrake 8.0. But if I'm going to have to grab > the latest KDE > from CVS and build it anyway, I might as well just stick with > 7.2 for now > and screw up this install instead of a new one. :) > > jay > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From veldy at veldy.net Sat Apr 21 20:05:52 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mailman & sendmail? References: <016601c0c68c$f194b630$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010421152050.L7048@real-time.com> Message-ID: <001c01c0cac8$60a15670$0101a8c0@cascade> You did. I didn't see the speed increase right away. When I did, a couple of days later, I had wondered if you had perhaps "upgraded" to postfix :) Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Tanner" To: Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Mailman & sendmail? > Quoting Thomas T. Veldhouse (veldy@veldy.net): > > Is the tclug-list@mn-linux.org list using sendmail still? I noticed that > > mails are being sent to the list in nearly real-time now. Is this because > > of the changes mad to the sendmail configuration or is it using postfix now > > :) ? > > Changes to sendmail. > > I thought for sure I posted the changes. :-( > > Here they are again. > > First make sure you DO NOT have FEATURE(`relay_based_on_MX'), that was the > single most important factor. See your README.cf for what this does. > > Here are my tweaks for timeouts: > > define(`confTO_INITIAL', `2m')dnl > define(`confTO_CONNECT', `2m')dnl > define(`confTO_ICONNECT', `2m')dnl > define(`confTO_HELO', `2m')dnl > define(`confTO_RCPT', `2m')dnl > define(`confTO_QUEUERETURN', `1h')dnl > define(`confTO_QUEUEWARN', `30m')dnl > > To REALLY get a performance boast I enabled 20 queues: > > define(QUEUE_DIR,`/var/spool/mqueue/q*') > > See sendmail.net for a great article on this. > > Here is my mm_cfg.py > > # Ceiling on the number of recipients that can be specified in a single SMTP > # transaction. Set to 0 to submit the entire recipient list in one > # transaction. Only used with the SMTPDirect DELIVERY_MODULE. > SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 50 > > # Two other qrunner resource management variables. The first controls the > # maximum lifetime of any single qrunner process, and the second controls the > # maximum number of messages a single qrunner process will, er, process. > # Exceeding either limit causes qrunner to exit, reclaiming system resources > # and deleting the lock. Other qrunners will then process the remaining > # messages. Set either to None to inhibit this resource check. > QRUNNER_PROCESS_LIFETIME = minutes(30) > QRUNNER_MAX_MESSAGES = 300 > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tanner at real-time.com Sat Apr 21 22:01:26 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH 7.1 & Real-Time Mirror In-Reply-To: <00ac01c0c817$828f8260$3028680a@tgt.com>; from veldy@veldy.net on Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 09:54:45AM -0500 References: <200104181445.f3IEjEx22111@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> <00ac01c0c817$828f8260$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <20010421220126.F18643@real-time.com> Quoting Thomas T. Veldhouse (veldy@veldy.net): > Probably maxed out. > > > On 18 Apr 01, at 9:26, Perry Hoekstra wrote: > > > > > Greet the sun all, > > > > > > Any word on the status of Real-Time's mirror of RH 7.1? I looked at > > > Gladiator this morning in the linux/redhat directory and only saw 7.0. > > > > If you look in /linux/redhat/linux you can find all of the distributions, > > including 7.1, but when I try to download anything, I get a > > 'permission denied' response from the server. > > > > Yet, there have been some messages posted from people that > > apparently have downloaded 7.1 from Real-Time. I am confused. I > > guess I am not looking in the correct place for it. rsync should have opened the directory when redhat opened it. it looks like mirror1 has perms right and mirror2 has them wrong. Go figure. As I previously posted, it's open now and I manually fixed all the perms. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Sat Apr 21 23:30:05 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL Woes - Part II In-Reply-To: <3AE09B79.49A675C3@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 03:26:33PM -0500 References: <3AE09B79.49A675C3@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20010421233005.O18643@real-time.com> Quoting Clay Fandre (clay@fandre.com): > So I make my daily call to Telocity to find out the status of my DSL and > when it will be back up (going on 3 weeks now) and to my amazement they > tell me they are no longer using Rhythms as my network provider. So I > ask who is my new provider, and guess what they tell me.... Qwest!!! I'm > not sure if I should laugh or cry. So is Rhythms going under? > > So I called AT&T to find out when I can get cable-modem. End of summer. Wait, if your provider is qwest, then why can't you get dsl from any other ISP in the area? Like Real Time, or Vector or, or? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Sat Apr 21 23:30:27 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL Woes - Part II In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 03:42:08PM -0500 References: <3AE09B79.49A675C3@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20010421233027.P18643@real-time.com> Quoting Nate Carlson (natecars@real-time.com): > On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Clay Fandre wrote: > > So I make my daily call to Telocity to find out the status of my DSL and > > when it will be back up (going on 3 weeks now) and to my amazement they > > tell me they are no longer using Rhythms as my network provider. So I > > ask who is my new provider, and guess what they tell me.... Qwest!!! I'm > > not sure if I should laugh or cry. So is Rhythms going under? > > From what I've heard, Qworst is actually better than Rythyms for IDSL.. Oh, IDSL, bummer. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jethro at freakzilla.com Sun Apr 22 00:07:05 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lokigames Order Page Message-ID: Hi, Ok, the page is up and available at http://www.random-word.com/games Please report bugs/typos/etc. My wife (Amy) did the design and some of the CGI. Anyone want to hire a web-designer? I hope someone else volunteers to help witht he financial part. Even at half-price, 10*25 is $250, and I _hope_ we'll have more than that. Anyone know where info about this can be found on Loki's page? I don't want a repeat of the whole Indy mess... Night, -Yaron -- From jethro at freakzilla.com Sun Apr 22 01:47:39 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Text file busy? Message-ID: Hi, Ok, what the HELL. Sometimes, when my wife's accessing a cgi script through samba to edit it, you can't run it anymore. Trying to run it results in a "Text file busy" error. Even when she quits the editor (verified with xemacs/win32 and homesite), the cgi can STILL not be run. The only way I found to fix it is rename the CGI and copy it over ot it's old name. Anyone? -Yaron -- From jpschewe at mtu.net Sun Apr 22 08:50:08 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lokigames Order Page In-Reply-To: Yaron's message of "Sun, 22 Apr 2001 00:07:05 -0500 (CDT)" References: Message-ID: Yaron writes: > Please report bugs/typos/etc. Is it possible to put hte prices of the games on the page so we know how much we're spending? > Anyone know where info about this can be found on Loki's page? I don't > want a repeat of the whole Indy mess... I'm assuming you're seen the link off slashdot that points ot a message from Loki. Perhaps someone should try emailing Loki to find out. -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From andy at theasis.com Sun Apr 22 09:09:49 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lokigames Order Page In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Anyone know where info about this can be found on Loki's page? I don't > want a repeat of the whole Indy mess... I don't know of any link beyond the one that was posted here: http://lwn.net/2001/0419/a/loki-lugs.php3. The message there was from Kayt Sorhaindo Queen Bee Loki Software, Inc. lwn@lwn.net I'll pick through the games list and see if I can't find retail prices for each. Andy > > Night, > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu Sun Apr 22 08:16:59 2001 From: lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu (Ben Luey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wordperfect 8.0 dies after upgrade to man 8.0 Message-ID: I just upgraded my system to mandrake 8.0, and now when I try to run wordperfect 8.0 I get ./xwp: No such file or directory Anyone know what this means? When I try to run the install program, I get integer value expected and then lots of script errors that I didn't get before. Any ideas? Thanks, Ben From andy at theasis.com Sun Apr 22 09:17:14 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lokigames Order Page In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 22 Apr 2001 andy@theasis.com wrote: > > Anyone know where info about this can be found on Loki's page? I don't > > want a repeat of the whole Indy mess... > > I don't know of any link beyond the one that was posted here: > http://lwn.net/2001/0419/a/loki-lugs.php3. > > The message there was from > > Kayt Sorhaindo > Queen Bee > Loki Software, Inc. Except that this: > lwn@lwn.net is the address it was sent _To_. Andy > > I'll pick through the games list and see if I can't find retail prices for > each. > > Andy > > > > > Night, > > > > -Yaron > > > > -- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From andy at theasis.com Sun Apr 22 09:46:45 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Loki games - list & retail prices Message-ID: Most prices were available from http://store.lokigames.com/dr/v2/ec_MAIN.Entry17c?CID=0&SID=26095&SP=10007&PN=16&PID=36718&DSP=&CUR=840&CACHE_ID=0 Newer titles not listed might be assumed to be $49.95. Game: Loki Retail Price: ----- ------------------ o Civilization: Call To Power 34.95 o Myth II 34.95 o Railroad Tycoon II Gold Edition 39.95 o Eric's Ultimate Solitare 19.95 o Heretic II 29.95 o Heroes III 29.95 o Quake III Arena 49.95 o Heavy Gear II 29.95 o Simcity 3000 Unlimited 49.95 o Sid Meier's Alpha Centuari (With Alien Crossfire Exp) 29.95 o Soldier of Fortune 49.95 o Descent 3 24.95 o MindRover ??.?? o Unreal Tournament ??.?? o Kohan: Immortal Sovereigns ??.?? o Tribes 2 49.95 o Deus Ex ??.?? o Rune ??.?? o Heavy Metal: F.A.K.K.2 ??.?? From destef at destef.com Sun Apr 22 10:44:27 2001 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Text file busy? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200104221544.f3MFi7T10044@ernie.destef.com> type "smbstatus" and see if the file is open. Samba likes to keep its grubby hands on files even if they are no longer in use. I use samba to map a drive and use a windows text editor to write C code. Then i flip over to a telnet session and do the compile. Never had the problem you are describing while coding. I have noticed that if you delete a file that is open by smb the file will disappear but you will not get the drive space freed up. Once smb decides to release the file (could be days later) the space is then unallocated on the HD. Wierd way to do it in my opionion. The only time ive ever gotten the text file busy msg is when Im running a program (or the system might be running it via cron or something) and i try to write over the file with a new one (like during a compile). This prolly isnt much help though. btw, im using all stock rh7.0 files. Jason At 01:47 AM 4/22/01 -0500, you wrote: > Hi, > >Ok, what the HELL. > >Sometimes, when my wife's accessing a cgi script through samba to edit it, >you can't run it anymore. Trying to run it results in a "Text file busy" >error. > >Even when she quits the editor (verified with xemacs/win32 and homesite), >the cgi can STILL not be run. The only way I found to fix it is rename the >CGI and copy it over ot it's old name. > >Anyone? > > >-Yaron > >-- > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From veldy at veldy.net Sun Apr 22 10:58:35 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Text file busy? References: <200104221544.f3MFi7T10044@ernie.destef.com> Message-ID: <000a01c0cb45$166dcb10$0101a8c0@cascade> Sometimes Windows keeps a lock on the file when you get a "preview" image in explorer. These can even happen with Text. It especially happens with MP3 files (the preview is a minature media player). Try setting explorer to "classic" and see if this problem goes away. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason DeStefano" To: Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2001 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Text file busy? > type "smbstatus" and see if the file is open. Samba likes to keep > its grubby hands on files even if they are no longer in use. I use > samba to map a drive and use a windows text editor to write C > code. Then i flip over to a telnet session and do the compile. Never > had the problem you are describing while coding. I have noticed that > if you delete a file that is open by smb the file will disappear but > you will not get the drive space freed up. Once smb decides to > release the file (could be days later) the space is then unallocated > on the HD. Wierd way to do it in my opionion. > > The only time ive ever gotten the text file busy msg is when Im > running a program (or the system might be running it via cron or > something) and i try to write over the file with a new one (like > during a compile). > > This prolly isnt much help though. > > btw, im using all stock rh7.0 files. > > Jason > > > At 01:47 AM 4/22/01 -0500, you wrote: > > Hi, > > > >Ok, what the HELL. > > > >Sometimes, when my wife's accessing a cgi script through samba to edit it, > >you can't run it anymore. Trying to run it results in a "Text file busy" > >error. > > > >Even when she quits the editor (verified with xemacs/win32 and homesite), > >the cgi can STILL not be run. The only way I found to fix it is rename the > >CGI and copy it over ot it's old name. > > > >Anyone? > > > > > >-Yaron > > > >-- > > > >_______________________________________________ > >tclug-list mailing list > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From chrome at real-time.com Sun Apr 22 12:05:26 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wordperfect 8.0 dies after upgrade to man 8.0 In-Reply-To: ; from lueyb@gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu on Sun, Apr 22, 2001 at 08:16:59AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010422120526.A7236@real-time.com> On Sun, Apr 22, 2001 at 08:16:59AM -0500, Ben Luey wrote: > I just upgraded my system to mandrake 8.0, and now when I try to run > wordperfect 8.0 I get > > ./xwp: No such file or directory > > Anyone know what this means? you're no longer blessed by Xena, Warrior Princess? (XWP) /me ducks and runs for cover Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From jethro at freakzilla.com Sun Apr 22 13:09:43 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lokigames Order Page In-Reply-To: Message-ID: y Hi, On 22 Apr 2001, Jon Schewe wrote: > Is it possible to put hte prices of the games on the page so we know how much > we're spending? Did you read the part where I say I'd like to do that if I can find them? (: > I'm assuming you're seen the link off slashdot that points ot a message from > Loki. Perhaps someone should try emailing Loki to find out. There's no return address though. It was sent fom "Kayt Sorhaindo", which isn't a valid email address... -Yaron -- From zibby at ringworld.org Sun Apr 22 14:06:14 2001 From: zibby at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wordperfect 8.0 dies after upgrade to man 8.0 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Perhaps some lib changed from X3.3.6 to 4.0.*. ldd the biniary, figure out if you have all the libs, if not, find the missing ones. | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | | His power apparently lies in his ability to | | choose incompetent enemies. | | - Crow T. Robot, MST3K, "Prince of Space" | From lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu Sun Apr 22 13:55:15 2001 From: lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu (Ben Luey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wordperfect 8.0 dies after upgrade to man 8.0 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I think it is a library problem. I was using X4.0 before, so I don't think it is an X thing necessarily. Running ldd gives me: /usr/bin/ldd: /usr/local/wp8/wpbin/xwp: No such file or directory strace yields: execve("/usr/local/wp8/wpbin/xwp", ["/usr/local/wp8/wpbin/xwp"], [/* 45 vars */]) = 0 strace: exec: No such file or directory So the problem is with some fundamental library, I guess. I have libc-5.3.12-35mdk, but someone said something about libc5. Dunno, any thoughts Thanks, Ben > Perhaps some lib changed from X3.3.6 to 4.0.*. ldd the biniary, figure out > if you have all the libs, if not, find the missing ones. > > | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | > | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | > | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | > | His power apparently lies in his ability to | > | choose incompetent enemies. | > | - Crow T. Robot, MST3K, "Prince of Space" | > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jpschewe at mtu.net Sun Apr 22 15:06:23 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lokigames Order Page In-Reply-To: Yaron's message of "Sun, 22 Apr 2001 13:09:43 -0500 (CDT)" References: Message-ID: Sorry about that. Wasn't quite awake yet. Yaron writes: > y Hi, > > On 22 Apr 2001, Jon Schewe wrote: > > > Is it possible to put hte prices of the games on the page so we know how much > > we're spending? > > Did you read the part where I say I'd like to do that if I can find them? > (: > > > I'm assuming you're seen the link off slashdot that points ot a message from > > Loki. Perhaps someone should try emailing Loki to find out. > > There's no return address though. It was sent fom "Kayt Sorhaindo", which > isn't a valid email address... > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From andy at theasis.com Sun Apr 22 15:29:19 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lokigames Order Page In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > There's no return address though. It was sent fom "Kayt Sorhaindo", which > isn't a valid email address... I've already sent a query to loki salesfolk about this. I'll forward the reply if/when I get it. Andy > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From thefishyone at hotmail.com Sun Apr 22 16:04:55 2001 From: thefishyone at hotmail.com (Matt Waters) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Problems with RedHat 7.x Message-ID: I heard from a friend of mine whose a huge UNIX geek that rh 7.x has some serious issues with Xconfigurator on certain video cards, and that linuxconf doesn't work too well. According to him, he and most of his buddies at Cargill had to downgrade to 6.2. Could anyone shead some light on this? ---------- The Fishy One's Infinite Wisdom #2: "Romance is like alcohol. Both are the cause of and solution to all of life's problems." New wisdom every week! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From andy at theasis.com Sun Apr 22 19:41:03 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Problems with RedHat 7.x In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I heard from a friend of mine whose a huge UNIX geek that rh 7.x has some > serious issues with Xconfigurator on certain video cards, and that linuxconf > doesn't work too well. According to him, he and most of his buddies at > Cargill had to downgrade to 6.2. Could anyone shead some light on this? That doesn't make much sense to me. Xconfigurator isn't really a RedHat thing, is it? Anyway, all it does is provide you a pleasant interface for writing XF86Config. There are alternatives, including xf86config, which comes with the distribution. Worst case, if the thing you're using doesn't work quite right, you go read a couple docs and tweak the XF86Config by hand. What video card are you concerned about? Andy From jwanderson at uswest.net Sun Apr 22 20:04:20 2001 From: jwanderson at uswest.net (Jay W. Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] woody install revisited In-Reply-To: References: <200104151952.f3FJqUt13144@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <200104230104.f3N14LL22149@sprite.real-time.com> On 15 Apr 01, at 23:16, Kevin R. Bullock wrote: > On Sun, 15 Apr 2001, Jay W. Anderson wrote: > > > I may have to. (potato->woody) > If I were you, I would start > with potato and do a dist-upgrade. I had relatively good results from > doing this. You can expect a thing or two to break, but these will be > minor and easy to fix. > OK I'm back to hacking on this... o What is the proper way to do a dist-upgrade? o How much of potato needs to be installed, i.e. when do I break out of the install & do a dist-upgrade? o From rtfm the info on debian.org it looks like I need to do a update, then dist-upgrade, then ??? o Do I need to edit the apt sources list to say woody instead of stable or does the dist upgrade understand that is what I want to do? o Can't man apt-get yet until I get the install done )-: Any other pointers? Thanks, Jay From labmat at mn.mediaone.net Sun Apr 22 19:56:33 2001 From: labmat at mn.mediaone.net (Matthew LaBerge) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Progeny Debian Message-ID: <200104230156.f3N1uFx28151@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> Hello All, Thanks to all who mailed me about my issues with Progeny. However I still couldnt get it to install right. I think Progeny wasn't detecting my hardware correctly. Anywho, I am currently running Mandrake Linux 8.0. I was surprised how easy it was to install and how easy it is to configure. It puts even Windows to shame. The only thing that annoys me is that for some reason the highest Res it will let me run at is 1024x768. It's wierd, cuz I have a Viewsonic 21" G810 "Badboy" which will do 1600 x 1200 no problem. but i think I can live with it for now. Thanks again to all who helped, Matthew LaBerge I'm Running Linux Now. From veldy at veldy.net Sun Apr 22 21:25:09 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Progeny Debian References: <200104230156.f3N1uFx28151@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <001401c0cb9c$9dfd1700$0101a8c0@cascade> Try configuring with another tool. xf86config would be a good one :) Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew LaBerge" To: "TCLUG" Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2001 7:56 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Progeny Debian > Hello All, > > Thanks to all who mailed me about my issues with Progeny. However I > still couldnt get it to install right. I think Progeny wasn't detecting > my hardware correctly. Anywho, I am currently running Mandrake Linux > 8.0. I was surprised how easy it was to install and how easy it is to > configure. It puts even Windows to shame. The only thing that annoys > me is that for some reason the highest Res it will let me run at is > 1024x768. It's wierd, cuz I have a Viewsonic 21" G810 "Badboy" which > will do 1600 x 1200 no problem. but i think I can live with it for now. > > Thanks again to all who helped, > > Matthew LaBerge > I'm Running Linux Now. > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jwanderson at uswest.net Sun Apr 22 21:25:39 2001 From: jwanderson at uswest.net (Jay W. Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] old hardware Message-ID: <200104230225.f3N2PfL23341@sprite.real-time.com> Anybody have any 16M 72 pin SIMMs that they would like to unload? Jay From florin at iucha.net Sun Apr 22 21:54:04 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Problems with RedHat 7.x In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 22 Apr 2001, Matt Waters wrote: > I heard from a friend of mine whose a huge UNIX geek that rh 7.x has some > serious issues with Xconfigurator on certain video cards, and that linuxconf > doesn't work too well. According to him, he and most of his buddies at > Cargill had to downgrade to 6.2. Could anyone shead some light on this? Do _you_ have any problems? What is the error message/symptom? What was the answer on the XFree mailing lists? Was is a really new (Radeon, Geforce3) or a really old (Tseng...) card? The error is in all RedHat 7.x releases? Your friend and all his buddies have the same video card? The motherboard? Or do they get the same error message? I am sorry but your mail didn't seek help or advice but looks like a lame troll. Maybe I'm tired... > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com I have tried but every time I ran it I get a "Segmentation Fault: Core Dumped". I think MSN Explorer has some serious issues and I strongly advise all my friends on this list to downgrade to AOL 5.0 Turbo Platinum. florin From florin at iucha.net Sun Apr 22 21:57:56 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Text file busy? In-Reply-To: <200104221544.f3MFi7T10044@ernie.destef.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 22 Apr 2001, Jason DeStefano wrote: > type "smbstatus" and see if the file is open. Samba likes to keep > its grubby hands on files even if they are no longer in use. I use > samba to map a drive and use a windows text editor to write C > code. Then i flip over to a telnet session and do the compile. Never > had the problem you are describing while coding. I have noticed that > if you delete a file that is open by smb the file will disappear but > you will not get the drive space freed up. Once smb decides to > release the file (could be days later) the space is then unallocated > on the HD. Wierd way to do it in my opionion. It's not weird if you think the UNIX way. You unlinked the file from the directory it was attached to but the file was still linked to the process that opened it. Until you close that file, it will still exist on the disk. Try this: do a "dd if=/dev/zero of=myfile bs=2M" and in another console do "rm myfile". The first program (dd) will run untill the disk is full. It has no way of knowing you removed the file. Nor does it care. Also you can rename the file while a process has it open. The process will not "sense" anything. florin From esper at sherohman.org Sun Apr 22 22:01:19 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] woody install revisited In-Reply-To: <200104230104.f3N14LL22149@sprite.real-time.com>; from jwanderson@uswest.net on Sun, Apr 22, 2001 at 08:04:20PM -0500 References: <200104151952.f3FJqUt13144@sprite.real-time.com> <200104230104.f3N14LL22149@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010422220119.A2327@sherohman.org> On Sun, Apr 22, 2001 at 08:04:20PM -0500, Jay W. Anderson wrote: > o What is the proper way to do a dist-upgrade? apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade > o How much of potato needs to be installed, i.e. when do I break > out of the install & do a dist-upgrade? I usually go through the installation process until it runs dselect, then quit from dselect immediately without installing anything there and let it finish normally. Then I log in as root, edit sources.list, apt-get update, and restart dselect to find all the packages I want to install. > o From rtfm the info on debian.org it looks like I need to do a > update, then dist-upgrade, then ??? That's it, really. > o Do I need to edit the apt sources list to say woody instead of > stable or does the dist upgrade understand that is what I want to do? Yes, you have to edit sources.list. dist-upgrade basically means "make everything current, even if you have to add some new packages or remove old ones in the process"; sources.list determines what apt thinks is current. As a side note, I prefer to use distro status (testing/stable) instead of name (woody/potato) in sources.list. YMMV, of course. -- That's not gibberish... It's Linux. - Byers, The Lone Gunmen Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From jethro at freakzilla.com Sun Apr 22 22:01:29 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Text file busy? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Sun, 22 Apr 2001, Florin Iucha wrote: > Try this: do a > "dd if=/dev/zero of=myfile bs=2M" Isn't that a bit extreme? Fill up my filesystem to deal with Samba/Windows' inability to release file locks? Since the problem is with a file being accessed via samba, restarting samba seems more appropriate (: -Yaron -- From stauffer_james at yahoo.com Sun Apr 22 22:03:04 2001 From: stauffer_james at yahoo.com (James A. N. Stauffer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Necessary to run? Message-ID: <20010423030304.83901.qmail@web11504.mail.yahoo.com> I have a minimal RH 7 install on a 486/66 with 64MB RAM (If you saw my previous post, someone gave me some RAM) that I will use to run CIPE. What do I need to run? Do I need to run sendmail? At best is is only 91% idle so I only want to run what is necessary. Thanks! ===== = o o o o o o o . . . __________________________ _____=======_||___ o _____ | James A. N. Stauffer | | Stauffer_James | .][__n_n_|DD[ ====____ | Spam food: uce@ftc.gov | | @yahoo.com | >(________|__|_[________]_|________________________|_|________________| _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o¬o¬o o¬o¬o` 'o¬o o¬o` __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From austad at marketwatch.com Sun Apr 22 22:13:06 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Progeny Debian Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10986B@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> I'm having trouble with Progeny too. When I do a shutdown, it hangs at "Unmounting filesystems...". Any idea why? Also, sometimes when issuing the umount or mount commands, I get a seg fault and a stack trace. ARGH! Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas T. Veldhouse [mailto:veldy@veldy.net] > Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2001 9:25 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Progeny Debian > > > Try configuring with another tool. xf86config would be a good one :) > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matthew LaBerge" > To: "TCLUG" > Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2001 7:56 PM > Subject: [TCLUG] Progeny Debian > > > > Hello All, > > > > Thanks to all who mailed me about my issues with Progeny. However I > > still couldnt get it to install right. I think Progeny > wasn't detecting > > my hardware correctly. Anywho, I am currently running > Mandrake Linux > > 8.0. I was surprised how easy it was to install and how > easy it is to > > configure. It puts even Windows to shame. The only thing > that annoys > > me is that for some reason the highest Res it will let me run at is > > 1024x768. It's wierd, cuz I have a Viewsonic 21" G810 > "Badboy" which > > will do 1600 x 1200 no problem. but i think I can live > with it for now. > > > > Thanks again to all who helped, > > > > Matthew LaBerge > > I'm Running Linux Now. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From sos at zjod.net Sun Apr 22 23:15:02 2001 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Problems with RedHat 7.x In-Reply-To: from "andy@theasis.com" at Apr 22, 2001 07:41:03 PM Message-ID: <200104230415.XAA01175@zjod.net> Can't remember what they did in 7.0, but I just upgraded to 7.1 and (as long as you're doing an upgrade) Xconfigurator wasn't fired up... they just used the X setting from the previous version you have. andy@theasis.com wrote: > > > I heard from a friend of mine whose a huge UNIX geek that rh 7.x has some > > serious issues with Xconfigurator on certain video cards, and that linuxconf > > doesn't work too well. According to him, he and most of his buddies at > > Cargill had to downgrade to 6.2. Could anyone shead some light on this? > > That doesn't make much sense to me. Xconfigurator isn't really a RedHat > thing, is it? Anyway, all it does is provide you a pleasant interface for > writing XF86Config. There are alternatives, including xf86config, which > comes with the distribution. Worst case, if the thing you're using doesn't > work quite right, you go read a couple docs and tweak the XF86Config by > hand. > > What video card are you concerned about? > > Andy > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From esper at sherohman.org Sun Apr 22 23:22:55 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] G400 gamma correction Message-ID: <20010422232255.A2901@sherohman.org> I finally got around to setting up 3d acceleration for my G400 today and got to play a little Hevy Gear 2. It seems to be well-designed and all, but I can't see a damn thing. Most of the maps have a visible sky and everything near solid black on the ground with a few black shapes jutting up into the sky. Targets are invisible; I can see the reticle on the HUD, but the area within it remains undifferentiated black. And these are missions whose briefings claim they're taking place at noon! I'd hate to see a night game... (One desert map has everything bright enough that the ground is visible also, but buildings remain flat and black. I think this might be worse, though, because the light green HUD markings are tough to spot against the bright background...) But enough bitching about the problem itself... I've grepped through the mesa and glx source and the only references I've found claim that you can adjust the gamma by setting MESA_GAMMA, which defaults to 1.0 if not defined. However, export MESA_GAMMA=2.5 ; hg2 which should make things considerably brighter, has no effect whatsoever. (Setting MESA_GAMMA="2.5", however, locks up the machine...) The system is debian woody with mesa 3.2.1 and the version of utah-glx which was current in CVS as of about 3:00 this afternoon. How do I adjust this? -- That's not gibberish... It's Linux. - Byers, The Lone Gunmen Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Sun Apr 22 23:30:41 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Progeny Debian In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10986B@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Sun, Apr 22, 2001 at 10:13:06PM -0500 References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10986B@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010422233041.C6314@ringworld.org> I really hope you guys are at least filing bug reports on this stuff. * Austad, Jay [010422 22:14]: > I'm having trouble with Progeny too. When I do a shutdown, it hangs at > "Unmounting filesystems...". Any idea why? Also, sometimes when issuing > the umount or mount commands, I get a seg fault and a stack trace. ARGH! > > Jay > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Thomas T. Veldhouse [mailto:veldy@veldy.net] > > Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2001 9:25 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Progeny Debian > > > > > > Try configuring with another tool. xf86config would be a good one :) > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Matthew LaBerge" > > To: "TCLUG" > > Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2001 7:56 PM > > Subject: [TCLUG] Progeny Debian > > > > > > > Hello All, > > > > > > Thanks to all who mailed me about my issues with Progeny. However I > > > still couldnt get it to install right. I think Progeny > > wasn't detecting > > > my hardware correctly. Anywho, I am currently running > > Mandrake Linux > > > 8.0. I was surprised how easy it was to install and how > > easy it is to > > > configure. It puts even Windows to shame. The only thing > > that annoys > > > me is that for some reason the highest Res it will let me run at is > > > 1024x768. It's wierd, cuz I have a Viewsonic 21" G810 > > "Badboy" which > > > will do 1600 x 1200 no problem. but i think I can live > > with it for now. > > > > > > Thanks again to all who helped, > > > > > > Matthew LaBerge > > > I'm Running Linux Now. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010422/16eb1dd3/attachment.pgp From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Apr 23 01:05:01 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Progeny Debian Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10986E@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Yep, just filled one out awhile ago. > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Dier [mailto:dieman+tclug@ringworld.org] > Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2001 11:31 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Progeny Debian > > > I really hope you guys are at least filing bug reports on this stuff. > > * Austad, Jay [010422 22:14]: > > I'm having trouble with Progeny too. When I do a shutdown, > it hangs at > > "Unmounting filesystems...". Any idea why? Also, > sometimes when issuing > > the umount or mount commands, I get a seg fault and a stack > trace. ARGH! > > > > Jay > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Thomas T. Veldhouse [mailto:veldy@veldy.net] > > > Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2001 9:25 PM > > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Progeny Debian > > > > > > > > > Try configuring with another tool. xf86config would be a > good one :) > > > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Matthew LaBerge" > > > To: "TCLUG" > > > Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2001 7:56 PM > > > Subject: [TCLUG] Progeny Debian > > > > > > > > > > Hello All, > > > > > > > > Thanks to all who mailed me about my issues with > Progeny. However I > > > > still couldnt get it to install right. I think Progeny > > > wasn't detecting > > > > my hardware correctly. Anywho, I am currently running > > > Mandrake Linux > > > > 8.0. I was surprised how easy it was to install and how > > > easy it is to > > > > configure. It puts even Windows to shame. The only thing > > > that annoys > > > > me is that for some reason the highest Res it will let > me run at is > > > > 1024x768. It's wierd, cuz I have a Viewsonic 21" G810 > > > "Badboy" which > > > > will do 1600 x 1200 no problem. but i think I can live > > > with it for now. > > > > > > > > Thanks again to all who helped, > > > > > > > > Matthew LaBerge > > > > I'm Running Linux Now. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- > Scott Dier > http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net > > So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant > From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Apr 23 01:15:20 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake 8.0 rocks Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10986F@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> I installed Mandrake 8.0 on a Dell Inspiron laptop tonight. Very cool. If you select the graphical LILO, it gives you a really nice menu system instead of the text prompt, and the whole startup has pretty little icons like on a Mac startup screen (only prettier). The KDE desktop has a link to DrakConf to configure all of your hardware and some software (although, I did have to hack up the modules.conf to get sound working properly on this particular laptop). Anti-aliased fonts and icons look great, but they're not on by default, you need to turn them on in the Style dialog. I prefer editing config files by hand so I know what's going on, but Mandrake 8 has enough put into the UI that even my mom could use it. Jay From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Mon Apr 23 07:38:45 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Text file busy? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 22 Apr 2001, Yaron wrote: > Hi, > > On Sun, 22 Apr 2001, Florin Iucha wrote: > > > Try this: do a > > "dd if=/dev/zero of=myfile bs=2M" > > Isn't that a bit extreme? Fill up my filesystem to deal with > Samba/Windows' inability to release file locks? I read that as "try this as another example of the behavior we're talking about," not a suggested fix (see the last paragraph of the orig. post.) -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Mon Apr 23 07:40:29 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Text file busy? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 22 Apr 2001, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Sun, 22 Apr 2001, Jason DeStefano wrote: > > I have noticed that > > if you delete a file that is open by smb the file will disappear but > > you will not get the drive space freed up. Once smb decides to > > release the file (could be days later) the space is then unallocated > > on the HD. Wierd way to do it in my opionion. > > It's not weird if you think the UNIX way. Well, thinking the UNIX way is a little weird on it's own, but if by "weird" we mean "inconsistent," then you're spot on! -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From Larry.Cable at nwa.com Mon Apr 23 08:21:02 2001 From: Larry.Cable at nwa.com (Larry Cable) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MS Outlook 2000 Message-ID: <006d01c0cbf8$3e42ff80$3360488b@mn.nwa.com> Our company is going with MS Outlook 2000 and IIE for mail serving, calendars, etc. What LINUX package would be a good substitute for MS Outlook 2000 that would let me do the mail and calendar stuff? I'm running REDHAT 7.0. Thanks. LarryC From fdickinson at morganhunter.com Mon Apr 23 08:26:40 2001 From: fdickinson at morganhunter.com (Forrest Dickinson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MS Outlook 2000 In-Reply-To: <006d01c0cbf8$3e42ff80$3360488b@mn.nwa.com> Message-ID: Check out HP OpenMail. Forrest Dickinson Network Administrator Morgan Hunter Companies (913) 491-3434 www.morganhunter.com From esper at sherohman.org Mon Apr 23 08:42:48 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Text file busy? In-Reply-To: ; from mend0070@tc.umn.edu on Mon, Apr 23, 2001 at 07:40:29AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010423084248.B7000@sherohman.org> On Mon, Apr 23, 2001 at 07:40:29AM -0500, Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > Well, thinking the UNIX way is a little weird on it's own, but if by > "weird" we mean "inconsistent," then you're spot on! Inconsistent? How so? Being able to add or remove references (meaning, primarily, hard links and file descriptors) to a file freely and then releasing the associated disk space when the final reference has been removed seems like the obvious and reasonable way to handle things to me. And even if it's not obvious or reasonable to you, it's still consistent. Now, if you want inconsistency, try having tar handle a .bz2 archive... Is it -y, -I, -j, or has it changed again yet? -- That's not gibberish... It's Linux. - Byers, The Lone Gunmen Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? 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Phil M On Mon, 23 Apr 2001, Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Mon, Apr 23, 2001 at 07:40:29AM -0500, Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > > Well, thinking the UNIX way is a little weird on it's own, but if by > > "weird" we mean "inconsistent," then you're spot on! > > Inconsistent? How so? Being able to add or remove references (meaning, > primarily, hard links and file descriptors) to a file freely and then > releasing the associated disk space when the final reference has been removed > seems like the obvious and reasonable way to handle things to me. And even > if it's not obvious or reasonable to you, it's still consistent. > > Now, if you want inconsistency, try having tar handle a .bz2 archive... Is > it -y, -I, -j, or has it changed again yet? > > -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Apr 23 09:20:30 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MS Outlook 2000 In-Reply-To: ; from fdickinson@morganhunter.com on Mon, Apr 23, 2001 at 08:26:40AM -0500 References: <006d01c0cbf8$3e42ff80$3360488b@mn.nwa.com> Message-ID: <20010423092030.G6314@ringworld.org> * Forrest Dickinson [010423 08:31]: > Check out HP OpenMail. HP discontinued openmail -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From administrator at ltiflex.com Mon Apr 23 09:29:43 2001 From: administrator at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MS Outlook 2000 References: <006d01c0cbf8$3e42ff80$3360488b@mn.nwa.com> <20010423092030.G6314@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <3AE43C57.969AA52F@ltiflex.com> Scott Dier wrote: > > * Forrest Dickinson [010423 08:31]: > > Check out HP OpenMail. > > HP discontinued openmail > Not discontinued, stopped development. They promise support for the current version for the next 5 years. It's not dead and buried yet, on it's death bed maybe, but the OpenMail client won't solve the problem. Anyway, even running iis you can get your mail via imap or pop3. (MAPI is bad, icky, nasty...) But I'm unaware of a Linux client that can handle calendering, etc. Request the admin setup Exchanges web interface (The web interface for Exchange 2000 is supposed to be really good, if you like outlook anyway...)Scott Dier wrote: -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From nate at nerp.net Mon Apr 23 09:30:59 2001 From: nate at nerp.net (Nate Sanders) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Loki games - list & retail prices References: Message-ID: <3AE43CA3.F4EFC3DB@nerp.net> So $49.95 for tribes 2. so we get it for half that price with this LUG discount right? andy@theasis.com wrote: > Most prices were available from > http://store.lokigames.com/dr/v2/ec_MAIN.Entry17c?CID=0&SID=26095&SP=10007&PN=16&PID=36718&DSP=&CUR=840&CACHE_ID=0 > Newer titles not listed might be assumed to be $49.95. > > Game: Loki Retail Price: > ----- ------------------ > o Civilization: Call To Power 34.95 > o Myth II 34.95 > o Railroad Tycoon II > Gold Edition 39.95 > o Eric's Ultimate Solitare 19.95 > o Heretic II 29.95 > o Heroes III 29.95 > o Quake III Arena 49.95 > o Heavy Gear II 29.95 > o Simcity 3000 Unlimited 49.95 > o Sid Meier's Alpha Centuari > (With Alien Crossfire Exp) 29.95 > o Soldier of Fortune 49.95 > o Descent 3 24.95 > o MindRover ??.?? > o Unreal Tournament ??.?? > o Kohan: Immortal Sovereigns ??.?? > o Tribes 2 49.95 > o Deus Ex ??.?? > o Rune ??.?? > o Heavy Metal: F.A.K.K.2 ??.?? > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Nate Sanders nate@chef.nerp.net http://www.damnation.net IRC: darkskull@NEWNET From veldy at veldy.net Mon Apr 23 09:29:57 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MS Outlook 2000 References: Message-ID: <007c01c0cc01$df4e2d10$3028680a@tgt.com> I do believe that HP OpenMail replaces the Exchange Server, not the Outlook client. Anybody elaborate? Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Forrest Dickinson" To: Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 8:26 AM Subject: RE: [TCLUG] MS Outlook 2000 > > Check out HP OpenMail. > Forrest Dickinson > Network Administrator > Morgan Hunter Companies > (913) 491-3434 > www.morganhunter.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From veldy at veldy.net Mon Apr 23 09:31:06 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VisualAge for java on Redhat 7.0 problems References: <20010423142921.77014.qmail@web9601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <009401c0cc02$0871a3c0$3028680a@tgt.com> Use Redhat 6.2. Chances are good that the C libraries used to compile Visual Age for Java are glibc-2.1.3. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Dagastino" To: Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 9:29 AM Subject: [TCLUG] VisualAge for java on Redhat 7.0 problems > I'm trying to run VisualAGe for java 3.0 on RH 7.0 and > get a general protection fault errror (no more > information) when trying to run the ide. I have been > unable to run it as myself or root. Any suggestions? > > Scott > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Mon Apr 23 09:49:26 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lokigames Order Page In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Sun, Apr 22, 2001 at 12:07:05AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010423094926.A25942@baker.space.umn.edu> On Sun, Apr 22, 2001 at 12:07:05AM -0500, Yaron wrote: > Ok, the page is up and available at http://www.random-word.com/games > > Please report bugs/typos/etc. Not really a bug, but a request for clarification. Who's officially a member of TCLUG? It says on the registration page "You must be a member of the TCLUG. This will be verified prior to order." But it seems like we're pretty laissez-faire about membership, etc. So who is a member? Somebody who's on one of the mailing lists? Been to a meeting? Has picked a side in vi vs. emacs? -- Jim Crumley | crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | From nate at nerp.net Mon Apr 23 09:50:31 2001 From: nate at nerp.net (Nate Sanders) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lokigames Order Page References: <20010423094926.A25942@baker.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3AE44137.CDE8028E@nerp.net> Uh oh. Now you've done it. Let the war begin :-] *starts slapping stickers all over the walls of his cube that say VI For Ever* Jim Crumley wrote: > Has picked a side in vi vs. emacs? -- Nate Sanders nate@chef.nerp.net http://www.damnation.net IRC: darkskull@NEWNET From natecars at real-time.com Mon Apr 23 10:08:46 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL Woes - Part II In-Reply-To: <20010421233005.O18643@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 21 Apr 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > > So I make my daily call to Telocity to find out the status of my DSL and > > when it will be back up (going on 3 weeks now) and to my amazement they > > tell me they are no longer using Rhythms as my network provider. So I > > ask who is my new provider, and guess what they tell me.... Qwest!!! I'm > > not sure if I should laugh or cry. So is Rhythms going under? > > > > So I called AT&T to find out when I can get cable-modem. End of summer. > > Wait, if your provider is qwest, then why can't you get dsl from any other ISP > in the area? Like Real Time, or Vector or, or? IDSL. He could. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Mon Apr 23 10:08:14 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL Woes - Part II In-Reply-To: <001701c0ca8f$5de385e0$0200000a@qwest.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 21 Apr 2001, Doug Hanson wrote: > 608k is $49.95 and 1.5MB is $79.95 Free installation and the router is > $100.00 This is Covad RADSL, right? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From BTimm at Interelate.com Mon Apr 23 10:22:02 2001 From: BTimm at Interelate.com (Brad Timm) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lokigames Order Page Message-ID: I say has picked a side in Vi Vs Emacs ( Vi) for me..... Brad -----Original Message----- From: Jim Crumley [mailto:crumley@belka.space.umn.edu] Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 9:49 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Lokigames Order Page On Sun, Apr 22, 2001 at 12:07:05AM -0500, Yaron wrote: > Ok, the page is up and available at http://www.random-word.com/games > > Please report bugs/typos/etc. Not really a bug, but a request for clarification. Who's officially a member of TCLUG? It says on the registration page "You must be a member of the TCLUG. This will be verified prior to order." But it seems like we're pretty laissez-faire about membership, etc. So who is a member? Somebody who's on one of the mailing lists? Been to a meeting? Has picked a side in vi vs. emacs? -- Jim Crumley | crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Apr 23 10:53:53 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:39 2005 Subject: Clarification (Was: Re: [TCLUG] Lokigames Order Page) In-Reply-To: <20010423094926.A25942@baker.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Mon, 23 Apr 2001, Jim Crumley wrote: > Not really a bug, but a request for clarification. Who's officially > a member of TCLUG? That's an excellent question. I'm thinking your Email address must be on the mailing list... but the truth is I'm just covering my butt. (: > Has picked a side in vi vs. emacs? Damnit, can't we all just get along? xemacs for when you're doing serious stuff, vi for when you're in a hurry and can't wait 3 hours for the editor to load so you can change a character in /etc/init.d/firewall!!! -Yaron -- From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Apr 23 10:56:07 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MS Outlook 2000 Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109872@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> I think Openmail comes with a MAPI client for Linux also. If your company is going with Exchange 2000, it won't be so bad, you can still use a pop or Imap client with it, and the web interface for Exchange 2000 is quite good and works very well with linux browsers. Just make sure all of your MTA's are unix based, you probably don't want to open up exchange to the world. The only other real alternative to Exchange is Lotus Notes which can run on Solaris. Lotus notes sucks bigtime though, more than exchange. Stay far away from Notes. thekompany.com has Aethera, and apparently is going to be building a groupware server to go with it, but they don't have anything yet. > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas T. Veldhouse [mailto:veldy@veldy.net] > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 9:30 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] MS Outlook 2000 > > > I do believe that HP OpenMail replaces the Exchange Server, > not the Outlook > client. Anybody elaborate? > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Forrest Dickinson" > To: > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 8:26 AM > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] MS Outlook 2000 > > > > > > Check out HP OpenMail. > > Forrest Dickinson > > Network Administrator > > Morgan Hunter Companies > > (913) 491-3434 > > www.morganhunter.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Mon Apr 23 11:18:17 2001 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Text file busy? Message-ID: http://us4.samba.org/samba/docs/man/smb.conf.5.html Reading over this web page I guess some things to try might be these directives in smb.conf for Samba 2.0.8 and earlier: sync always = yes With version Samba 2.2.0 you will have to use this directive in conjunction with the previous one or it is useless: strict sync = yes This should slow things down (how much? don't know) but might solve the problem you are experiencing. If you are using Samba 2.2.0 anyway, and using the latest Linux kernel (version 2.4) with opportunistic locking enabled, you will get kernel oplocks: kernel oplocks = yes by default, and that (if I am understanding correctly) should solve the problem much better. I suggest using directives you are not familiar with on test shares to start, and good luck, Troy >>> jethro@freakzilla.com 04/22/01 01:47AM >>> Hi, Ok, what the HELL. Sometimes, when my wife's accessing a cgi script through samba to edit it, you can't run it anymore. Trying to run it results in a "Text file busy" error. Even when she quits the editor (verified with xemacs/win32 and homesite), the cgi can STILL not be run. The only way I found to fix it is rename the CGI and copy it over ot it's old name. Anyone? -Yaron -- _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From eng at pinenet.com Mon Apr 23 11:40:05 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] question; re-invent an old idea ? Message-ID: <01C0CBEA.2485ACE0.eng@pinenet.com> In the 70s, one powerful computer ran many dumb video/keyboard terminals. In the 80s we adopted the one computer to one terminal model and maintain it today. Today, with personal computers so powerful, is there a way to again run several dumb terminals from one computer ?? This approach seem made for Linux. Not everybody cares to edit video or play games on a P4 machine. Offices, schools, etc. save money, energy, space, and noise. I am trying to re-invent the past. Any ideas ?? Rick. From andy at theasis.com Mon Apr 23 11:41:35 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:39 2005 Subject: Clarification (Was: Re: [TCLUG] Lokigames Order Page) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I'm thinking your Email address must be on the mailing list... but the > truth is I'm just covering my butt. (: Sounds good to me. Note that these are also intended for "LUG Events". We need to be ready to say what that is also. It could probably be something like "Install Fest". Andy > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jasonj at talkware.net Mon Apr 23 11:54:19 2001 From: jasonj at talkware.net (Jason Jorgensen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Inexpensive inland optical mouse from MicroCenter Message-ID: <3AE45E3B.C69C171F@talkware.net> I am wondering if anyone else purchased one of the $10 optical inland mice from MicroCenter. It works great in windows, gpm at the console, and X3. But it doesnt work very well in X4. I am hoping someone has one of these and has played with stuff more than I have to see if this mouse will work well under X4. Moving around the screen at a decent speed works ok, but if you just want to move the cursor a couple pixels it just wont move. I am not in the habit of buying cheap hardware, but it would be real nice to replace all my ball mice with $10 optical mice. From esper at sherohman.org Mon Apr 23 12:00:55 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] question; re-invent an old idea ? In-Reply-To: <01C0CBEA.2485ACE0.eng@pinenet.com>; from eng@pinenet.com on Mon, Apr 23, 2001 at 11:40:05AM -0500 References: <01C0CBEA.2485ACE0.eng@pinenet.com> Message-ID: <20010423120055.C7000@sherohman.org> On Mon, Apr 23, 2001 at 11:40:05AM -0500, Rick Engebretson wrote: > I am trying to re-invent the past. Any ideas ?? www.thinknic.com? It's a $200 (+ monitor) web terminal. Pretty slick and it even runs linux. If you want to run X apps instead of web apps, I hear they're fairly easy to turn into X terminals as well (provided you have access to a CD burner), but I haven't looked into doing that myself. -- That's not gibberish... It's Linux. - Byers, The Lone Gunmen Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From natecars at real-time.com Mon Apr 23 12:06:18 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] question; re-invent an old idea ? In-Reply-To: <01C0CBEA.2485ACE0.eng@pinenet.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 23 Apr 2001, Rick Engebretson wrote: > In the 70s, one powerful computer ran many dumb video/keyboard terminals. > In the 80s we adopted the one computer to one terminal model and maintain > it today. Today, with personal computers so powerful, is there a way to > again run several dumb terminals from one computer ?? > > This approach seem made for Linux. Not everybody cares to edit video or > play games on a P4 machine. Offices, schools, etc. save money, energy, > space, and noise. > > I am trying to re-invent the past. Any ideas ?? Sure, set up a nice box with all the apps you want, and buy a bunch of X terminals. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Apr 23 12:09:23 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:39 2005 Subject: Clarification (Was: Re: [TCLUG] Lokigames Order Page) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 andy@theasis.com wrote: > Note that these are also intended for "LUG Events". We need to be ready to > say what that is also. It could probably be something like "Install Fest". Or monthly meetings. -Yaron -- From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Apr 23 12:09:01 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] question; re-invent an old idea ? Message-ID: <3ae461ad.6c83.269167349@cloudnet.com> > In the 70s, one powerful computer ran many dumb > video/keyboard terminals. > In the 80s we adopted the one computer to one terminal > model and maintain > it today. Today, with personal computers so powerful, is > there a way to > again run several dumb terminals from one computer ?? Cool idea! Actually, in hindsight I think they had it right in the 70s. Heck of a lot easier to administer than a bunch of PCs all over the building. So I can see why you're wondering. It CAN be done but I've never done it. Basically it involves exporting the virtual consoles in linux to physical consoles (Wyse terminals essentially) out the serial port. In theory you could run multiple X sessions also this way. Just set yourself up with a monsterous 1.33 Ghz (overclocked of course) and a gig of RAM and you have a nice thin client solution for 4-6 users. Has anyone here tried something like this? From tanner at real-time.com Mon Apr 23 13:14:31 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MS Outlook 2000 In-Reply-To: ; from fdickinson@morganhunter.com on Mon, Apr 23, 2001 at 08:26:40AM -0500 References: <006d01c0cbf8$3e42ff80$3360488b@mn.nwa.com> Message-ID: <20010423131431.F1394@real-time.com> Quoting Forrest Dickinson (fdickinson@morganhunter.com): > > Check out HP OpenMail. It's abandonware right now. HP caved to MS pressure and will stop producing any new versions. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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And a friend asked me to burn disks for him today (I have a bigger pipe). -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From administrator at ltiflex.com Mon Apr 23 12:11:00 2001 From: administrator at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] question; re-invent an old idea ? References: <01C0CBEA.2485ACE0.eng@pinenet.com> Message-ID: <3AE46224.F7AA3E91@ltiflex.com> People are starting to get a clue again. "It's so easy that each user can administrate their own workstation." Yeah, sure. Anyway, fixing it isn't so hard to do. Check out http://www.ltsp.org (Linux Terminal Server Project, except its not a terminal server, it just has that name to appeal to market droids familiar with NT4 Terminal Server Edition.) On the Windows side of thing, Windows 2000 supports thin client soultions via RDP. But, do to some fun licensing agrements with Citrix, they can't create RDP clients for anything but Windows based platforms. Fret not, there is a working RDP client at http://www.rdesktop.org (ok, you have to apply a patch from http://bibl4.oru.se/projects/rdesktop/ for it to be really functional.) I use this on a daily basis to admin 2000 servers from my Linux workstation. Now, back to that wierd licensing issue. Citrix (http://www.citrix.com) has a addon to NT4TSE and Win2K called Metaframe that add's to the features of the Windows application server. Their protocol, ICA, is even more optimized for low bandwith connections, and they're clients support every platform under the sun. (Just look at http://www.citrix.com/download) Also with Metaframe you get better managment tools (espically with the new Metaframe XP) better security (up to 128bit SSL), true color support (RDP is limited to 256), and lots of other neat stuff I'm forgeting. Down side is, it's rather costly. So there are soultions in this world. Check out LTSP, join their mailing list. (I lurk there.) UNIX never forgot how to do this stuff, Windows had to reinvent it... -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Apr 23 12:12:11 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:40 2005 Subject: Clarification (Was: Re: [TCLUG] Lokigames Order Page) Message-ID: <3ae4626b.6f3f.269167349@cloudnet.com> > I'm thinking your Email address must be on the mailing > list... but the > truth is I'm just covering my butt. (: I'd have to agree with that, if you're on the list, if you get the messages Yaron's sent out, you're a TCLUGgy. > > > Has picked a side in vi vs. emacs? Why doesn't anyone mention 'pico -w'? :-) From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Apr 23 12:14:01 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Inexpensive inland optical mouse from MicroCenter In-Reply-To: <3AE45E3B.C69C171F@talkware.net>; from jasonj@talkware.net on Mon, Apr 23, 2001 at 11:54:19AM -0500 References: <3AE45E3B.C69C171F@talkware.net> Message-ID: <20010423121401.H6314@ringworld.org> * Jason Jorgensen [010423 11:55]: > I am not in the habit of buying cheap hardware, but it would be real > nice to replace all my ball mice with $10 optical mice. On the flipside, the logitech mouseman optical works really well under X :) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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But I'm unaware of a Linux client that can handle > calendering, etc. Request the admin setup Exchanges web interface (The web > interface for Exchange 2000 is supposed to be really good, if you like > outlook anyway...)Scott Dier wrote: Evolution will (does?) support calendaring via ical. I think there are other clients as well. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010423/3c17e82f/attachment.pgp From kent at structural-wood.com Mon Apr 23 12:14:26 2001 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] question; re-invent an old idea ? References: <01C0CBEA.2485ACE0.eng@pinenet.com> Message-ID: <3AE462F2.5D7E4347@structural-wood.com> Rick Engebretson wrote: > > In the 70s, one powerful computer ran many dumb video/keyboard terminals. > In the 80s we adopted the one computer to one terminal model and maintain > it today. Today, with personal computers so powerful, is there a way to > again run several dumb terminals from one computer ?? > > This approach seem made for Linux. Not everybody cares to edit video or > play games on a P4 machine. Offices, schools, etc. save money, energy, > space, and noise. > > I am trying to re-invent the past. Any ideas ?? > > Rick. > > This is pretty trivial. I did this for years with text terminals hooked to multiport serial cards. If you just want two terminals you can connect them to your standard two serial ports. Take a look at /etc/inittab and read up on mgetty. I used to use Cyclades 8 port cards for running banks of terminals. If you want to run graphical terminals it's probably the same cost as a text terminal at this point... Kent From dd-b at dd-b.net Mon Apr 23 12:16:33 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] question; re-invent an old idea ? In-Reply-To: <01C0CBEA.2485ACE0.eng@pinenet.com> References: <01C0CBEA.2485ACE0.eng@pinenet.com> Message-ID: Rick Engebretson writes: > In the 70s, one powerful computer ran many dumb video/keyboard terminals. > In the 80s we adopted the one computer to one terminal model and maintain > it today. Today, with personal computers so powerful, is there a way to > again run several dumb terminals from one computer ?? > > This approach seem made for Linux. Not everybody cares to edit video or > play games on a P4 machine. Offices, schools, etc. save money, energy, > space, and noise. > > I am trying to re-invent the past. Any ideas ?? I ran my BBS on Linux for a while back in 95/96; worked fine. You connect each terminal (or modem) through a serial port. I had a 4-port card that required 4 low IRQs (it was an 8-bit ISA card), which was a bit hard to configure sometimes. You run a getty for each port you want to enable login on. I also own a 16-port serial card that was supported by Linux back then; it's also an ISA card, but 16-bit, and needs only one IRQ for all 16 ports. There's a special cable from the connector on the back of the card to a breakout box with 16 DB25 connectors. If you get serious about running multiple serial sessions on a box, I'm not using this card for anything and would sell it for, well, whatever the market value seems to be (I haven't done any research, I'm not actively working on selling it; but since you bring the topic I bought it for up...). -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From tanner at real-time.com Mon Apr 23 13:18:05 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VisualAge for java on Redhat 7.0 problems In-Reply-To: <20010423142921.77014.qmail@web9601.mail.yahoo.com>; from scottdagastino@yahoo.com on Mon, Apr 23, 2001 at 07:29:21AM -0700 References: <20010423142921.77014.qmail@web9601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20010423131805.I1394@real-time.com> Quoting Scott Dagastino (scottdagastino@yahoo.com): > I'm trying to run VisualAGe for java 3.0 on RH 7.0 and > get a general protection fault errror (no more > information) when trying to run the ide. I have been > unable to run it as myself or root. Any suggestions? First, never run it as root. Second, if you read the web site it only supports Redhat 6.2. Lots of little irritating things happened to redhat from 6.2 to 7.0. Like a screwy compiler, etc... -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010423/7439649c/attachment.html From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Mon Apr 23 12:26:41 2001 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Inexpensive inland optical mouse from MicroCenter In-Reply-To: <20010423121401.H6314@ringworld.org>; from dieman+tclug@ringworld.org on Mon, Apr 23, 2001 at 12:14:01PM -0500 References: <3AE45E3B.C69C171F@talkware.net> <20010423121401.H6314@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010423122641.D14271@sorry.cs.umn.edu> All this mouse talk prompted me to check out the logitech page. It appears that they've now released their newest mouse! http://www.logitech.com/cf/products/productoverview.cfm/91?58 I'm getting one of these... I've been waiting for a cordless optical for a long time... The funny thing is, a couple of weeks ago, you could pre-order one of these for $75, but they release them at $70... wtf? Gabe On Mon, Apr 23, 2001 at 12:14:01PM -0500, Scott Dier wrote: > * Jason Jorgensen [010423 11:55]: > > I am not in the habit of buying cheap hardware, but it would be real > > nice to replace all my ball mice with $10 optical mice. > > On the flipside, the logitech mouseman optical works really well under X > :) > > > -- > Scott Dier > http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net > > So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Leave everything to me!!" - Powdered Toast Man in "Powdered Toast Man" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jasonj at talkware.net Mon Apr 23 12:27:02 2001 From: jasonj at talkware.net (Jason Jorgensen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Inexpensive inland optical mouse from MicroCenter References: <3AE45E3B.C69C171F@talkware.net> <20010423121401.H6314@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <3AE465E6.CCDE06D3@talkware.net> I know, I have the mouseman ifeel optical (without the 'feel' part). But if I have to replace 10 mice, thats expensive. Scott Dier wrote: > * Jason Jorgensen [010423 11:55]: > > I am not in the habit of buying cheap hardware, but it would be real > > nice to replace all my ball mice with $10 optical mice. > > On the flipside, the logitech mouseman optical works really well under X > :) > > -- > Scott Dier > http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net > > So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature From esper at sherohman.org Mon Apr 23 12:29:33 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Inexpensive inland optical mouse from MicroCenter In-Reply-To: <20010423121401.H6314@ringworld.org>; from dieman+tclug@ringworld.org on Mon, Apr 23, 2001 at 12:14:01PM -0500 References: <3AE45E3B.C69C171F@talkware.net> <20010423121401.H6314@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010423122933.F7000@sherohman.org> On Mon, Apr 23, 2001 at 12:14:01PM -0500, Scott Dier wrote: > On the flipside, the logitech mouseman optical works really well under X Now if they'd just start making a Trackman Optical. Although I'm not really that sure about how you'd do a trackball without a ball... -- That's not gibberish... It's Linux. - Byers, The Lone Gunmen Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From fritchie at mr.net Mon Apr 23 12:30:53 2001 From: fritchie at mr.net (Scott Lystig Fritchie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MS Outlook 2000 In-Reply-To: Message of "Mon, 23 Apr 2001 10:56:07 CDT." <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109872@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <200104231730.f3NHUsb38639@snookles.snookles.com> >>>>> "ja" == Austad, Jay writes: ja> The only other real alternative to Exchange is Lotus Notes which ja> can run on Solaris. Bynari has been selling something called TradeServer (now called Insight Server, I guess) that claims to be 100% (or damn close) compatible with Exchange. (Probably not Exchange 2K, though.) Runs on Linux/x86 and Solaris/SPARC platforms. See http://www.bynari.net/ for more info. I know little about it, aside from LinuxPR announcements a while back. -Scott From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Mon Apr 23 12:41:21 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:41 2005 Subject: Clarification (Was: Re: [TCLUG] Lokigames Order Page) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 23 Apr 2001, Yaron wrote: > Damnit, can't we all just get along? xemacs for when you're doing serious > stuff, vi for when you're in a hurry and can't wait 3 hours for the editor > to load so you can change a character in /etc/init.d/firewall!!! to be truly cross-coupled, edit vi source in emacs, emacs source in vi. -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From kent at structural-wood.com Mon Apr 23 12:43:32 2001 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] question; re-invent an old idea ? References: <3ae461ad.6c83.269167349@cloudnet.com> Message-ID: <3AE469C4.64E9FA89@structural-wood.com> Brian wrote: > > > In the 70s, one powerful computer ran many dumb > > video/keyboard terminals. > > In the 80s we adopted the one computer to one terminal > > model and maintain > > it today. Today, with personal computers so powerful, is > > there a way to > > again run several dumb terminals from one computer ?? > > Cool idea! Actually, in hindsight I think they had it right > in the 70s. Heck of a lot easier to administer than a bunch > of PCs all over the building. So I can see why you're > wondering. It CAN be done but I've never done it. > Basically > it involves exporting the virtual consoles in linux to > physical consoles (Wyse terminals essentially) out the > serial > port. In theory you could run multiple X sessions also this > way. Just set yourself up with a monsterous 1.33 Ghz > (overclocked of course) and a gig of RAM and you have a nice > thin client solution for 4-6 users. Has anyone here tried > something like this? I run our entire office of 35+ users off a 330Mhz sparc/512MB with Solaris and a dual 800 Mhz pentium III/512MB with Linux. We run Autocad, StarOffice, Netscape, and an inventory control/sales analysis/accounting package which is a mix of gnome / text applications (the text apps are being ported to gnome when I have the odd moment free from reading this list). I do about 2 hours of admin / week, and we haven't had any downtime since we switched to Linux (no nines, just a one and zero's...). We bought 35 neoware X-Terminals in 1994 for use with SCO Unix. We have had 0 terminal failures in a little more than 6 years of continuous use. They run gnome and autocad perfectly, neither of which existed when the terminals were built. I love Unix, I love X, and I especially love Linux. From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Mon Apr 23 12:48:40 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] question; re-invent an old idea ? In-Reply-To: <3ae461ad.6c83.269167349@cloudnet.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 23 Apr 2001, Brian wrote: > > In the 70s, one powerful computer ran many dumb > > video/keyboard terminals. > > In the 80s we adopted the one computer to one terminal > > model and maintain > > it today. Today, with personal computers so powerful, is > > there a way to > > again run several dumb terminals from one computer ?? > > Cool idea! Actually, in hindsight I think they had it right > in the 70s. Heck of a lot easier to administer than a bunch > of PCs all over the building. So I can see why you're > wondering. It CAN be done but I've never done it. > Basically > it involves exporting the virtual consoles in linux to > physical consoles (Wyse terminals essentially) out the > serial > port. In theory you could run multiple X sessions also this > way. Just set yourself up with a monsterous 1.33 Ghz > (overclocked of course) and a gig of RAM and you have a nice > thin client solution for 4-6 users. Has anyone here tried > something like this? Sure, but I think you're going nuts on the hardware required! -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Apr 23 12:49:32 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:41 2005 Subject: Clarification (Was: Re: [TCLUG] Lokigames Order Page) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Mon, 23 Apr 2001, Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > to be truly cross-coupled, edit vi source in emacs, emacs source in vi. I have (: Fixed crappy configure crap in xemacs' source in vi, fixed up some vigor stuff in xemacs... -Yaron -- From dd-b at dd-b.net Mon Apr 23 12:52:58 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake 8.0 rocks In-Reply-To: <60.db6a7e3.2815be81@aol.com> References: <60.db6a7e3.2815be81@aol.com> Message-ID: MAJensen222@aol.com writes: > In a message dated 4/23/01 12:13:48 PM Central Daylight Time, dd-b@dd-b.net > writes: > > > > Can you point me to where to download ISO files? The US mirror listed on > > the Mandrake site is password-protected, it's not on rpmfind, and the > > tc-lug ftp site has 7.2 ISOs on it. And a friend asked me to burn > > > > http://ftp.planetmirror.com/pub/mandrake/iso/mandrake80-ext.iso > http://ftp.planetmirror.com/pub/mandrake/iso/mandrake80-inst.iso > are he only places that i could find that worked at all And with throughput around 3KB/s, not a very attractive source right now! I'll try them later. Thanks for the pointer. -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From jima at gimp.damnation.net Mon Apr 23 12:57:34 2001 From: jima at gimp.damnation.net (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Inexpensive inland optical mouse from MicroCenter In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010423125324.00a713f0@gimp.damnation.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 23 Apr 2001, Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Mon, Apr 23, 2001 at 12:14:01PM -0500, Scott Dier wrote: > > On the flipside, the logitech mouseman optical works really well under X > > Now if they'd just start making a Trackman Optical. Although I'm not really > that sure about how you'd do a trackball without a ball... Actually, I believe there was an optical trackball before there was an optical mouse. It had a ball, but not rollers. Jima From fertch at mninter.net Mon Apr 23 13:32:31 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake 8.0 rocks References: <60.db6a7e3.2815be81@aol.com> Message-ID: <3AE4753F.103083C@mninter.net> Can also try http://www.linuxiso.org David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > > MAJensen222@aol.com writes: > > > In a message dated 4/23/01 12:13:48 PM Central Daylight Time, dd-b@dd-b.net > > writes: > > > > > > > Can you point me to where to download ISO files? The US mirror listed on > > > the Mandrake site is password-protected, it's not on rpmfind, and the > > > tc-lug ftp site has 7.2 ISOs on it. And a friend asked me to burn > > > > > > > http://ftp.planetmirror.com/pub/mandrake/iso/mandrake80-ext.iso > > http://ftp.planetmirror.com/pub/mandrake/iso/mandrake80-inst.iso > > are he only places that i could find that worked at all > > And with throughput around 3KB/s, not a very attractive source right > now! I'll try them later. Thanks for the pointer. > -- > David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net > SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ > Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dcsherman at qwest.net Mon Apr 23 13:54:45 2001 From: dcsherman at qwest.net (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] question; re-invent an old idea ? In-Reply-To: <3AE469C4.64E9FA89@structural-wood.com> References: <3ae461ad.6c83.269167349@cloudnet.com> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010423135152.009fd630@pop.mpls.qwest.net> At 12:43 PM 04/23/2001 -0500, you wrote: >I run our entire office of 35+ users off a 330Mhz sparc/512MB with >Solaris and a dual 800 Mhz pentium III/512MB with Linux. We run Autocad, >StarOffice, Netscape, and an inventory control/sales analysis/accounting >package which is a mix of gnome / text applications (the text apps are >being ported to gnome when I have the odd moment free from reading this >list). > >I do about 2 hours of admin / week, and we haven't had any downtime since >we switched to Linux (no nines, just a one and zero's...). > >We bought 35 neoware X-Terminals in 1994 for use with SCO Unix. We have had >0 terminal failures in a little more than 6 years of continuous use. They >run gnome >and autocad perfectly, neither of which existed when the terminals were built. Are these terminals ethernet or serial-based? I've been thinking about this (an ethernet-based solution, using some older 486 and low-end Pentium PCs with no hard drives as "thin clients") for a while myself, for my home, but never really researched the idea -- I knew it was possible, just not exactly how. Dave Sherman SoftServ Business Systems, Inc. "Quid quid latine dictum sit, webmaster@ssbs.com altum viditur." (763) 569-9839 From thefishyone at hotmail.com Mon Apr 23 13:51:38 2001 From: thefishyone at hotmail.com (Matt Waters) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Problems with RedHat 7.x Message-ID: >From: "Florin Iucha" >Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Problems with RedHat 7.x >Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 21:54:04 -0500 (CDT) > >On Sun, 22 Apr 2001, Matt Waters wrote: > > > I heard from a friend of mine whose a huge UNIX geek that rh 7.x has >some > > serious issues with Xconfigurator on certain video cards, and that >linuxconf > > doesn't work too well. According to him, he and most of his buddies at > > Cargill had to downgrade to 6.2. Could anyone shead some light on this? > >Do _you_ have any problems? > >What is the error message/symptom? What was >the answer on the XFree mailing lists? Was is a really new (Radeon, >Geforce3) or a really old (Tseng...) card? The error is in all RedHat 7.x >releases? > >Your friend and all his buddies have the same video card? The motherboard? >Or do they get the same error message? > >I am sorry but your mail didn't seek help or advice but looks like a lame >troll. Maybe I'm tired... > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > >I have tried but every time I ran it I get a "Segmentation Fault: Core >Dumped". I think MSN Explorer has some serious issues and I strongly >advise all my friends on this list to downgrade to AOL 5.0 Turbo Platinum. > >florin > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list You're right, that was kind of a dumb question. It wasn't meant to be a troll, though. Anyway, in hindsight I agree that that was pretty lame, and I apologize for any irritation it may have caused. ---------- The Fishy One's Infinite Wisdom #2: "Romance is like alcohol. Both are the cause of and solution to all of life's problems." New wisdom every week! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dhanson2 at uswest.net Mon Apr 23 13:57:51 2001 From: dhanson2 at uswest.net (Doug Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL Woes - Part II References: Message-ID: <038b01c0cc27$4c1661e0$0200000a@qwest.net> yep ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nate Carlson" To: Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] DSL Woes - Part II > On Sat, 21 Apr 2001, Doug Hanson wrote: > > 608k is $49.95 and 1.5MB is $79.95 Free installation and the router is > > $100.00 > > This is Covad RADSL, right? > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From tanner at real-time.com Mon Apr 23 13:56:09 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Redcarpet Busted? Message-ID: <20010423135609.B2214@real-time.com> Trying to update via red-carpet and I am getting the following error: Red Carpet has encountered an error while trying to process your request: Transfer of http://red-carpet.ximian.com:8000/channels.xml.gz did not complete: Cannot connect to server: http://red-carpet.ximian.com:8000/channels.xml.gz Anyone else getting this? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(: > > I'd have to agree with that, if you're on the list, if you > get the messages Yaron's sent out, you're a TCLUGgy. > > > > > > Has picked a side in vi vs. emacs? > > Why doesn't anyone mention 'pico -w'? :-) Because it's generally safer than pointing it out and getting both the vi and emacs crowds yelling at you... :) Jeff > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From simeonuj at eetc.com Mon Apr 23 14:21:38 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] question; re-invent an old idea ? - Winterms References: <01C0CBEA.2485ACE0.eng@pinenet.com> Message-ID: <3AE480B0.4A73DB4B@eetc.com> I got about 4 Winterms and was wondering if it was possible to run them off a linux box? I don't have nor do I want a windows terminal server. It uses 10/100 baseT and is capable of 1024x768 w/ KB and mouse. I think they are only capable of 256 color but it woul still be cool to set them up as a Linux Xterminal. I have a feeling the Windows software is really expensive. They are Wyse winterms. Run from Win 98/NT/2000/ME/DOS/Win3.1/etc. Very cool. Anyone know if this is possible? sim Rick Engebretson wrote: > In the 70s, one powerful computer ran many dumb video/keyboard terminals. > In the 80s we adopted the one computer to one terminal model and maintain > it today. Today, with personal computers so powerful, is there a way to > again run several dumb terminals from one computer ?? > > This approach seem made for Linux. Not everybody cares to edit video or > play games on a P4 machine. Offices, schools, etc. save money, energy, > space, and noise. > > I am trying to re-invent the past. Any ideas ?? > > Rick. > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kent at structural-wood.com Mon Apr 23 14:39:05 2001 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] question; re-invent an old idea ? References: <3ae461ad.6c83.269167349@cloudnet.com> <5.0.2.1.0.20010423135152.009fd630@pop.mpls.qwest.net> Message-ID: <3AE484D9.B9F110BB@structural-wood.com> Dave Sherman wrote: > > At 12:43 PM 04/23/2001 -0500, you wrote: > >I run our entire office of 35+ users off a 330Mhz sparc/512MB with > >Solaris and a dual 800 Mhz pentium III/512MB with Linux. We run Autocad, > >StarOffice, Netscape, and an inventory control/sales analysis/accounting > >package which is a mix of gnome / text applications (the text apps are > >being ported to gnome when I have the odd moment free from reading this > >list). > > > >I do about 2 hours of admin / week, and we haven't had any downtime since > >we switched to Linux (no nines, just a one and zero's...). > > > >We bought 35 neoware X-Terminals in 1994 for use with SCO Unix. We have had > >0 terminal failures in a little more than 6 years of continuous use. They > >run gnome > >and autocad perfectly, neither of which existed when the terminals were built. > > Are these terminals ethernet or serial-based? I've been thinking about this > (an ethernet-based solution, using some older 486 and low-end Pentium PCs > with no hard drives as "thin clients") for a while myself, for my home, but > never really researched the idea -- I knew it was possible, just not > exactly how. > Ethernet based. It's pretty easy to build an X-terminal. I've used all-in-one mainboads with 32Mb of RAM and a 300Mhz Cyrix processor. I used to pick up 10Mb Trendware ethernet cards 'cause it was easy to burn a ROM with a netboot image, but the latest trendware cards don't work. It might make more sense to buy a $10 floppy drive and internally mount it with a boot loader floppy inserted. Once you have the hardware setup you need to build a kernel that supports the hardware and load it over the net. You need to setup a ramdisk that supports the utilities you need to boot with. After that you can either NFS mount a root filesystem or load in a pre-rolled ramdisk image. Depends on what you need. It's pretty straightforward. I did most of this as a fallback source of X-terminals about 3 years ago. At that time the LTSP group was pretty incomprehensible. It's probably worth your time to check what they have to offer now. Kent From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Apr 23 14:56:46 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake 8.0 rocks Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109879@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> If someone has an ftp server, I can upload my iso's to it. Unfortunately, I can't serve them from here... Bob, you got room?? :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Shawn [mailto:fertch@mninter.net] > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 1:33 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Mandrake 8.0 rocks > > > Can also try http://www.linuxiso.org > > > David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > > > > MAJensen222@aol.com writes: > > > > > In a message dated 4/23/01 12:13:48 PM Central Daylight > Time, dd-b@dd-b.net > > > writes: > > > > > > > > > > Can you point me to where to download ISO files? The > US mirror listed on > > > > the Mandrake site is password-protected, it's not on > rpmfind, and the > > > > tc-lug ftp site has 7.2 ISOs on it. And a friend asked > me to burn > > > > > > > > > > http://ftp.planetmirror.com/pub/mandrake/iso/mandrake80-ext.iso > > > http://ftp.planetmirror.com/pub/mandrake/iso/mandrake80-inst.iso > > > are he only places that i could find that worked at all > > > > And with throughput around 3KB/s, not a very attractive source right > > now! I'll try them later. Thanks for the pointer. > > -- > > David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / > dd-b@dd-b.net > > SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ > Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From fertch at mninter.net Mon Apr 23 15:34:57 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] alsa with 2.4.3 References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109807@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <3AE491F1.A30F2776@mninter.net> Jay, did you ever get this figured out? Curious mind wants to know. I ran into the same thing on an older kernel and haven't had a chance get back to this. If you got it running, it'd be great and then I'd have some hope. "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > Did anyone get Alsa 0.5.10b working with kernel 2.4.3? I get all sorts of > unresolved symbols errors when trying to load the modules. > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dcsherman at qwest.net Mon Apr 23 15:43:01 2001 From: dcsherman at qwest.net (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] question; re-invent an old idea ? In-Reply-To: <3AE484D9.B9F110BB@structural-wood.com> References: <3ae461ad.6c83.269167349@cloudnet.com> <5.0.2.1.0.20010423135152.009fd630@pop.mpls.qwest.net> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010423154226.009fb360@pop.mpls.qwest.net> At 02:39 PM 04/23/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Dave Sherman wrote: > > Are these terminals ethernet or serial-based? I've been thinking about this > > (an ethernet-based solution, using some older 486 and low-end Pentium PCs > > with no hard drives as "thin clients") for a while myself, for my home, but > > never really researched the idea -- I knew it was possible, just not > > exactly how. > > >Ethernet based. > >It's pretty easy to build an X-terminal. I've used all-in-one mainboads with >32Mb of RAM and a 300Mhz Cyrix processor. I used to pick up 10Mb Trendware >ethernet cards 'cause it was easy to burn a ROM with a netboot image, but the >latest trendware cards don't work. It might make more sense to buy a $10 >floppy >drive and internally mount it with a boot loader floppy inserted. > >Once you have the hardware setup you need to build a kernel that supports the >hardware and load it over the net. You need to setup a ramdisk that supports >the utilities you need to boot with. After that you can either NFS mount a >root filesystem or load in a pre-rolled ramdisk image. Depends on what you >need. > >It's pretty straightforward. I did most of this as a fallback source of >X-terminals about 3 years ago. At that time the LTSP group was pretty >incomprehensible. It's probably worth your time to check what they have >to offer now. > >Kent Cool. Thanks. Dave Sherman SoftServ Business Systems, Inc. "Quid quid latine dictum sit, webmaster@ssbs.com altum viditur." (763) 569-9839 From JodrellD at pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca Mon Apr 23 16:04:40 2001 From: JodrellD at pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca (JodrellD@pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Forms Message-ID: <74094AC981E9D4119E650008C78614FD19F260@msgpacios1.rhq.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca> Hi, I don't know if this it the right place to ask this - I found you on the internet. My problem is that my form is so big that it take too long to load so what I did is divide it into sections making several different pages. How do I now have the form recognize all of the separate pages as being one form - or - Is there a way to make the original one page form load faster? Thanks for your help with this Don A Jodrell From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Apr 23 16:08:16 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Forms In-Reply-To: <74094AC981E9D4119E650008C78614FD19F260@msgpacios1.rhq.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca> Message-ID: Hi, On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 JodrellD@pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca wrote: > I don't know if this it the right place to ask this - I found you on the > internet. Nope, not really... looks like you've got an HTML question. Lucky for you keeping on-topic isn't one of our strong points... > My problem is that my form is so big that it take too long to load so what I > did is divide it into sections making several different pages. You want Page is probably loading fast but rendering slow. -Yaron -- From tanner at real-time.com Mon Apr 23 16:12:02 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Forms In-Reply-To: <74094AC981E9D4119E650008C78614FD19F260@msgpacios1.rhq.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca>; from JodrellD@pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca on Mon, Apr 23, 2001 at 05:04:40PM -0400 References: <74094AC981E9D4119E650008C78614FD19F260@msgpacios1.rhq.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca> Message-ID: <20010423161202.E2527@real-time.com> Quoting JodrellD@pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca (JodrellD@pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca): > Hi, > > I don't know if this it the right place to ask this - I found you on the > internet. > > My problem is that my form is so big that it take too long to load so what I > did is divide it into sections making several different pages. > > How do I now have the form recognize all of the separate pages as being one > form - or - Is there a way to make the original one page form load faster? > > Thanks for your help with this Try tclug-devel@mn-linux.org :-) But you need to set up a session. Using servlets or php this is very easy. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010423/3bcda829/attachment.pgp From dcsherman at qwest.net Mon Apr 23 16:24:39 2001 From: dcsherman at qwest.net (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Forms In-Reply-To: <74094AC981E9D4119E650008C78614FD19F260@msgpacios1.rhq.pac. dfo-mpo.gc.ca> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010423161912.009ed1d0@pop.mpls.qwest.net> You're right, this is probably not the forum to be asking such questions. But I will give a shot at helping you anyway... 1. You can use a cookie to track form data across several pages. Downside: use of cookies and/or JavaScript is sometimes disabled in a browser. 2. You can use CGI on the server, and assign a session ID when someone begins filling out the form. Then, track all form data on the server using the session ID. While option #2 is probably more work, it is also more robust and easier to control from the server, thus eliminating problems such as corrupted cookies, disabled cookies, disabled JavaScript, etc. Dave At 05:04 PM 04/23/2001 -0400, you wrote: >Hi, > >I don't know if this it the right place to ask this - I found you on the >internet. > >My problem is that my form is so big that it take too long to load so what I >did is divide it into sections making several different pages. > >How do I now have the form recognize all of the separate pages as being one >form - or - Is there a way to make the original one page form load faster? > >Thanks for your help with this > >Don A Jodrell > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list Dave Sherman SoftServ Business Systems, Inc. "Quid quid latine dictum sit, webmaster@ssbs.com altum viditur." (763) 569-9839 From jesse_erdmann at securecomputing.com Mon Apr 23 16:32:23 2001 From: jesse_erdmann at securecomputing.com (Jesse Erdmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Forms References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010423161912.009ed1d0@pop.mpls.qwest.net> Message-ID: <3AE49F67.25EE9DE0@securecomputing.com> > 2. You can use CGI on the server, and assign a session ID when someone > begins filling out the form. Then, track all form data on the server using > the session ID. > > While option #2 is probably more work, it is also more robust and easier to > control from the server, thus eliminating problems such as corrupted > cookies, disabled cookies, disabled JavaScript, etc. > This is a little excessive too. I'd still go with Yaron and simply pass data from form to form using sorts of stuff. Often SessionIDs are tracked using cookies anyway so this doesn't really help unless your language maintains the ID as a URL variable. Plus you run into all sorts of crap if you're using DNS round robin or other sorts of load balancing, unless you're going to dump the session data to a shared database. Then the whole thing really starts to spiral out of control :) -- Jesse Erdmann Engineer Secure Computing Corp. Tel. (651) 628-1535 From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Apr 23 16:54:22 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Forms In-Reply-To: <3AE49F67.25EE9DE0@securecomputing.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Mon, 23 Apr 2001, Jesse Erdmann wrote: > This is a little excessive too. I'd still go with Yaron and simply pass > data from form to form using sorts of stuff. YES! Finally! someone who knows what "simplicity" means! PHP, sessions, servlets, cookies? Yeesh! (Anyone think the original post was a plant from a competing LUG trying to start a flamewar? (: ) -Yaron -- From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Apr 23 17:00:26 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Good mice In-Reply-To: <3AE465E6.CCDE06D3@talkware.net> References: <3AE45E3B.C69C171F@talkware.net> <20010423121401.H6314@ringworld.org> <3AE465E6.CCDE06D3@talkware.net> Message-ID: <20010423170026.7b5beefc.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Jason Jorgensen wrote: > > I know, I have the mouseman ifeel optical (without the 'feel' part). But > if I have to replace 10 mice, thats expensive. I don't suppose anyone has ever seen a scrollwheel mouse that has a layout more like Logitech's old MouseMan 3-button mice? Scrollwheels have been growing on me, but all of the ones I've seen are laid out like two-button mice (ie, use your middle finger for both the scrollwheel and the right button, as opposed to using the ring finger for the right button). Call me crazy (You're crazy! Uh, oops, been watching too much of Win Ben Stein's Money), but I like the three-button idea... -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Plan to be spontaneous / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ tomorrow. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Apr 23 17:01:28 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] alsa with 2.4.3 Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10987B@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Yes, I got it working. It turned out that I needed to run depmod -a and then load the modules. I haven't tried rebooting yet though, so who knows if the modules will load automatically like they should. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Shawn [mailto:fertch@mninter.net] > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 3:35 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] alsa with 2.4.3 > > > Jay, did you ever get this figured out? Curious mind wants > to know. I > ran into the same thing on an older kernel and haven't had a > chance get > back to this. If you got it running, it'd be great and then I'd have > some hope. > > > "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > > > Did anyone get Alsa 0.5.10b working with kernel 2.4.3? I > get all sorts of > > unresolved symbols errors when trying to load the modules. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Mon Apr 23 17:03:08 2001 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Forms Message-ID: Hilarious! Joke-a-day list? Ha! I've got TCLUG. :-) >>> jesse_erdmann@securecomputing.com 04/23/01 04:32PM >>> Then the whole thing really starts to spiral out of control :) From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Apr 23 17:12:22 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] question; re-invent an old idea ? In-Reply-To: <3ae461ad.6c83.269167349@cloudnet.com> References: <3ae461ad.6c83.269167349@cloudnet.com> Message-ID: <20010423171222.509979e5.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> "Brian" wrote: > > Cool idea! Actually, in hindsight I think they had it right in the 70s. > Heck of a lot easier to administer than a bunch of PCs all over the > building. So I can see why you're wondering. It CAN be done but I've > never done it. Well, one easy way to do this is to set up a server with xdm, gdm, or whatever you like, and have it broadcast its presence via XDMCP or whatever. Then make some bare-bones client systems that have X, run `X -query my.server.org' and they should work as X terminals. Of course, there are lots of different way to get essentially the same result.. I put down some thoughts on this earlier today here: http://advogato.org/person/Mulad/diary.html?start=89 Essentially, Windows sucks for this sort of thing. I'm not sure if Microsoft even cares about it (they should). Unix, as has been said, is pretty much designed to work this way. If you want to go nuts with it, you could even get to the point of doing distributed systems like Plan 9 (which I should really try out sometime, if I can ever find an installation of it..) -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I'm an absolute, / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ off-the-wall fanatical \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) moderate. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Mon Apr 23 17:20:23 2001 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Good mice Message-ID: The triangular (from above, at least) kind that you can pick up and move so easily with thumb and pinkie? I love those mice (but without the scroll wheel)! If someone knows a source of new (linux mouse driver friendly) mice like those, please spill the beans. >>> hick0088@tc.umn.edu 04/23/01 05:00PM >>> Jason Jorgensen wrote: > > I know, I have the mouseman ifeel optical (without the 'feel' part). But > if I have to replace 10 mice, thats expensive. I don't suppose anyone has ever seen a scrollwheel mouse that has a layout more like Logitech's old MouseMan 3-button mice? Scrollwheels have been growing on me, but all of the ones I've seen are laid out like two-button mice (ie, use your middle finger for both the scrollwheel and the right button, as opposed to using the ring finger for the right button). Call me crazy (You're crazy! Uh, oops, been watching too much of Win Ben Stein's Money), but I like the three-button idea... -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Plan to be spontaneous / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ tomorrow. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Apr 23 17:29:11 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] question; re-invent an old idea ? In-Reply-To: <20010423120055.C7000@sherohman.org> References: <01C0CBEA.2485ACE0.eng@pinenet.com> <20010423120055.C7000@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20010423172911.40131bf3.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Dave Sherohman wrote: > > www.thinknic.com? It's a $200 (+ monitor) web terminal. Pretty slick > and it even runs linux. If you want to run X apps instead of web apps, > I hear they're fairly easy to turn into X terminals as well (provided > you have access to a CD burner), but I haven't looked into doing that > myself. Ugh, web apps... I was never very keen on that idea. Some things work great on the web, but a lot of things don't. Stuff that requires sequential operation, like adding stuff to a database, works pretty well. However, asynchronous activites, where random things happen in random intervals, don't quite fit the paradigm. Nobody's going to fly a plane with a web app (unless the plane is smart enough to fly itself) Bah.. Pet peeve.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Flirt: A woman who thinks / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ it's every man for \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) herself. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Apr 23 17:40:50 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Good mice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010423174050.7d1ad576.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> "Troy Johnson" wrote: > > The triangular (from above, at least) kind that you can pick up and move > so easily with thumb and pinkie? I love those mice (but without the > scroll wheel)! If someone knows a source of new (linux mouse driver > friendly) mice like those, please spill the beans. Like this: http://www.tc.umn.edu/~hick0088/images/ltmm3u.jpg ? Yeah, I have one.. One of the simplest and best upgrades to my computer I ever made. I originally got it because my serial mouse was giving me problems when switching from console to X and back, and because I needed that middle button for pasting text, minesweeper, and opening links in a new window in Netscape. There aren't many apps that make heavy use of it, though xfig does. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Clarvoiants meeting / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ canceled due to \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) unforseen events. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From andy at theasis.com Mon Apr 23 17:48:11 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Good mice In-Reply-To: <20010423174050.7d1ad576.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: > > scroll wheel)! If someone knows a source of new (linux mouse driver > > friendly) mice like those, please spill the beans. > > Like this: http://www.tc.umn.edu/~hick0088/images/ltmm3u.jpg ? Yeah, I > have one.. One of the simplest and best upgrades to my computer I ever Yeah... now all we need is an optical version of that. Andy From cschumann at twp-llc.com Mon Apr 23 19:19:53 2001 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LILO, partitions and cylinders... again References: <200104232222.f3NMM4L23146@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <006001c0cc54$494435a0$0100a8c0@homey> Hi all, it's time to install Linux once again on my laptop. (An IBM ThinkPad 600X.) I have a 12GB hard drive, and I'd like to use 8GB for Windows (because it pays the bills) and 4GB for Linux (because I'd like for it to pay the bills). Do I still need to have a boot partition below cylinder 1024? If so, that's still lame. (Personally, I think a linux kernel in a file on a FAT partition, ot something like NT's NTLDR would be pretty cool.) I'm planning on using RH 7.1 (because it's the big name has been heard by potential customers), and I am free to trash my drive and start from scratch. I'd like recommendations from you (yes, you) about how to set up my partitions and why. (I'd also like a minimum of debate, but I'll take what comes). I will not be reading or responding to useless comments about using other distributions, but reasoned, informative suggestions for them are very welcome. Many thanks, Chris Schumann Partner Third Wave Partnership From wilson at visi.com Mon Apr 23 19:54:59 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LILO, partitions and cylinders... again In-Reply-To: <006001c0cc54$494435a0$0100a8c0@homey> Message-ID: On Mon, 23 Apr 2001, Chris Schumann wrote: > Do I still need to have a boot partition below cylinder 1024? > If so, that's still lame. (Personally, I think a linux kernel > in a file on a FAT partition, ot something like NT's NTLDR > would be pretty cool.) If you're willing to learn something new, the boot loader GRUB will remove all need to worry about cylinder limits. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.org W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From stauffer_james at yahoo.com Mon Apr 23 20:24:56 2001 From: stauffer_james at yahoo.com (James A. N. Stauffer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LILO, partitions and cylinders... again In-Reply-To: <006001c0cc54$494435a0$0100a8c0@homey> Message-ID: <20010424012456.82711.qmail@web11502.mail.yahoo.com> There is an option called lba, lba32, or something like that that lets you get around the 1024 cylinder limit. --- Chris Schumann wrote: > Hi all, it's time to install Linux once again on my laptop. > (An IBM ThinkPad 600X.) > > I have a 12GB hard drive, and I'd like to use 8GB for Windows > (because it pays the bills) and 4GB for Linux (because I'd like > for it to pay the bills). > > Do I still need to have a boot partition below cylinder 1024? > If so, that's still lame. (Personally, I think a linux kernel > in a file on a FAT partition, ot something like NT's NTLDR > would be pretty cool.) > > I'm planning on using RH 7.1 (because it's the big name has been > heard by potential customers), and I am free to trash my drive > and start from scratch. > > I'd like recommendations from you (yes, you) about how to set > up my partitions and why. (I'd also like a minimum of debate, but > I'll take what comes). > > I will not be reading or responding to useless comments about > using other distributions, but reasoned, informative suggestions > for them are very welcome. > > Many thanks, > Chris Schumann > Partner > Third Wave Partnership > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ===== = o o o o o o o . . . __________________________ _____=======_||___ o _____ | James A. N. Stauffer | | Stauffer_James | .][__n_n_|DD[ ====____ | Spam food: uce@ftc.gov | | @yahoo.com | >(________|__|_[________]_|________________________|_|________________| _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o¬o¬o o¬o¬o` 'o¬o o¬o` __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Apr 23 20:31:56 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LILO, partitions and cylinders... again Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10987D@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> lba32 is an option in the current version of LILO. It removes the 1024 cylinder limit, all current distros should have it. > -----Original Message----- > From: James A. N. Stauffer [mailto:stauffer_james@yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 8:25 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] LILO, partitions and cylinders... again > > > There is an option called lba, lba32, or something like that > that lets you > get around the 1024 cylinder limit. > --- Chris Schumann wrote: > > Hi all, it's time to install Linux once again on my laptop. > > (An IBM ThinkPad 600X.) > > > > I have a 12GB hard drive, and I'd like to use 8GB for Windows > > (because it pays the bills) and 4GB for Linux (because I'd like > > for it to pay the bills). > > > > Do I still need to have a boot partition below cylinder 1024? > > If so, that's still lame. (Personally, I think a linux kernel > > in a file on a FAT partition, ot something like NT's NTLDR > > would be pretty cool.) > > > > I'm planning on using RH 7.1 (because it's the big name has been > > heard by potential customers), and I am free to trash my drive > > and start from scratch. > > > > I'd like recommendations from you (yes, you) about how to set > > up my partitions and why. (I'd also like a minimum of debate, but > > I'll take what comes). > > > > I will not be reading or responding to useless comments about > > using other distributions, but reasoned, informative suggestions > > for them are very welcome. > > > > Many thanks, > > Chris Schumann > > Partner > > Third Wave Partnership > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > ===== > = o o o o o o o . . . __________________________ > _____=======_||___ > o _____ | James A. N. Stauffer | | > Stauffer_James | > .][__n_n_|DD[ ====____ | Spam food: uce@ftc.gov | | > @yahoo.com | > >(________|__|_[________]_|________________________|_|________ > ________| > _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o?o?o o?o?o` 'o?o > o?o` > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From stauffer_james at yahoo.com Mon Apr 23 21:15:54 2001 From: stauffer_james at yahoo.com (James A. N. Stauffer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rpm usage Message-ID: <20010424021554.71157.qmail@web11505.mail.yahoo.com> Warning: Stupid question! Why doesn't the following work? rpm -qif ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/redhat/redhat-7.0-en/os/i386/SRPMS/basesystem-7.0-2.src.rpm It tells me "No such file or directory" I even tried ftping it to the local directory and I still couldn't get it to work. (I am comfortable with Linux but have not used command line rpm much.) ===== = o o o o o o o . . . __________________________ _____=======_||___ o _____ | James A. N. Stauffer | | Stauffer_James | .][__n_n_|DD[ ====____ | Spam food: uce@ftc.gov | | @yahoo.com | >(________|__|_[________]_|________________________|_|________________| _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o¬o¬o o¬o¬o` 'o¬o o¬o` __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From jpschewe at mtu.net Mon Apr 23 21:24:29 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rpm usage In-Reply-To: "James A. N. Stauffer"'s message of "Mon, 23 Apr 2001 19:15:54 -0700 (PDT)" References: <20010424021554.71157.qmail@web11505.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Because you want rpm -qip, f tells rpm to look at the file and determine what rpm it belongs to. p tells rpm you're looking at an rpm package and want some info from it. "James A. N. Stauffer" writes: > Warning: Stupid question! > Why doesn't the following work? > rpm -qif > ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/redhat/redhat-7.0-en/os/i386/SRPMS/basesystem-7.0-2.src.rpm > It tells me "No such file or directory" I even tried ftping it to the > local directory and I still couldn't get it to work. (I am comfortable > with Linux but have not used command line rpm much.) > > ===== > = o o o o o o o . . . __________________________ _____=======_||___ > o _____ | James A. N. Stauffer | | Stauffer_James | > .][__n_n_|DD[ ====____ | Spam food: uce@ftc.gov | | @yahoo.com | > >(________|__|_[________]_|________________________|_|________________| > _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o¬o¬o o¬o¬o` 'o¬o o¬o` > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From stauffer_james at yahoo.com Mon Apr 23 21:28:31 2001 From: stauffer_james at yahoo.com (James A. N. Stauffer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rpm usage In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010424022831.64762.qmail@web11504.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks! --- Jon Schewe wrote: > Because you want rpm -qip, f tells rpm to look at the file and determine > what > rpm it belongs to. p tells rpm you're looking at an rpm package and want > some > info from it. > > "James A. N. Stauffer" writes: > > > Warning: Stupid question! > > Why doesn't the following work? > > rpm -qif > > > ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/redhat/redhat-7.0-en/os/i386/SRPMS/basesystem-7.0-2.src.rpm > > It tells me "No such file or directory" I even tried ftping it to the > > local directory and I still couldn't get it to work. (I am comfortable > > with Linux but have not used command line rpm much.) > > > > ===== > > = o o o o o o o . . . __________________________ _____=======_||___ > > o _____ | James A. N. Stauffer | | Stauffer_James | > > .][__n_n_|DD[ ====____ | Spam food: uce@ftc.gov | | @yahoo.com | > > >(________|__|_[________]_|________________________|_|________________| > > _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o¬o¬o o¬o¬o` 'o¬o o¬o` > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- > Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ===== = o o o o o o o . . . __________________________ _____=======_||___ o _____ | James A. N. Stauffer | | Stauffer_James | .][__n_n_|DD[ ====____ | Spam food: uce@ftc.gov | | @yahoo.com | >(________|__|_[________]_|________________________|_|________________| _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o¬o¬o o¬o¬o` 'o¬o o¬o` __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From eng at pinenet.com Mon Apr 23 22:17:05 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] question; re-invent an old idea ? Message-ID: <01C0CC43.21EB0760.eng@pinenet.com> Thanks for the many ideas. It gives me a lot to look into. It seems like a fiber optic bus interconnect will allow GUI terminals to be widely spaced. It also seems like the RAMDAC (graphics card) is the core of the terminal. PCI digital bus speed is in the cheap optical fiber range. Some fun electronics. But the software remains out of my reach. Linux is the only OS with open development, but I struggle with Visual Basic. Thanks for the brainstorm. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Hicks [SMTP:hick0088@tc.umn.edu] Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 5:12 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] question; re-invent an old idea ? "Brian" wrote: > > Cool idea! Actually, in hindsight I think they had it right in the 70s. > Heck of a lot easier to administer than a bunch of PCs all over the > building. So I can see why you're wondering. It CAN be done but I've > never done it. Well, one easy way to do this is to set up a server with xdm, gdm, or whatever you like, and have it broadcast its presence via XDMCP or whatever. Then make some bare-bones client systems that have X, run `X -query my.server.org' and they should work as X terminals. Of course, there are lots of different way to get essentially the same result.. I put down some thoughts on this earlier today here: http://advogato.org/person/Mulad/diary.html?start=89 Essentially, Windows sucks for this sort of thing. I'm not sure if Microsoft even cares about it (they should). Unix, as has been said, is pretty much designed to work this way. If you want to go nuts with it, you could even get to the point of doing distributed systems like Plan 9 (which I should really try out sometime, if I can ever find an installation of it..) -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I'm an absolute, / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ off-the-wall fanatical \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) moderate. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jasonj at innominatus.com Mon Apr 23 22:24:08 2001 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Good mice References: <3AE45E3B.C69C171F@talkware.net> <20010423121401.H6314@ringworld.org> <3AE465E6.CCDE06D3@talkware.net> <20010423170026.7b5beefc.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3AE4F1D8.3E7DC323@innominatus.com> I have about 5 of those 3 button mouseman, and a wingman. I would love it if they had the scroll wheel in the middle of the left and middle button. And maybe an analog pointer like laptop's have between the middle and third. It could be used as a joystick or maybe a HAT. Mike Hicks wrote: > Jason Jorgensen wrote: > > > > I know, I have the mouseman ifeel optical (without the 'feel' part). But > > if I have to replace 10 mice, thats expensive. > > I don't suppose anyone has ever seen a scrollwheel mouse that has a layout > more like Logitech's old MouseMan 3-button mice? Scrollwheels have been > growing on me, but all of the ones I've seen are laid out like two-button > mice (ie, use your middle finger for both the scrollwheel and the right > button, as opposed to using the ring finger for the right button). > > Call me crazy (You're crazy! Uh, oops, been watching too much of Win Ben > Stein's Money), but I like the three-button idea... > > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Plan to be spontaneous > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ tomorrow. > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From heilja at master.dbsource.com Mon Apr 23 21:43:11 2001 From: heilja at master.dbsource.com (Joseph Heil) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19142] Network Solutions phone ? In-Reply-To: <20000623153747.A25607@dogbrain.com>; from Karl Morgan on Fri, Jun 23, 2000 at 03:37:47PM -0500 References: <20000623151833.C19946@real-time.com> <20000623153747.A25607@dogbrain.com> Message-ID: <20010423214311.A5546@master.dbsource.com> Fix the time on your system. 10 months late. On Fri, Jun 23, 2000 at 03:37:47PM -0500, Karl Morgan wrote: > I had to once, i couldn't get through on the published phone > number. Like you are seeing, everything is busy. I ended up calling > a random extension at NSI . I got somebody who happily transferred > me to where I wanted to be. > > Real lame > > - Karl > On Fri, Jun 23, 2000 at 03:18:33PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > > I have been trying to contact Network Solutions via phone for the last 4 days, > > I get all circuits busy. Has anyone ever gotten through to these people? > > > > -- > > Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > -- > Karl Morgan > http://www.dogbrain.com > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From stauffer_james at yahoo.com Mon Apr 23 22:49:04 2001 From: stauffer_james at yahoo.com (James A. N. Stauffer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] suitable configured kernel include tree Message-ID: <20010424034904.74658.qmail@web11504.mail.yahoo.com> I am trying to configure cipe and it says "no suitable configured kernel include tree found" Does anyone know what I need? Thanks! ===== = o o o o o o o . . . __________________________ _____=======_||___ o _____ | James A. N. Stauffer | | Stauffer_James | .][__n_n_|DD[ ====____ | Spam food: uce@ftc.gov | | @yahoo.com | >(________|__|_[________]_|________________________|_|________________| _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o¬o¬o o¬o¬o` 'o¬o o¬o` __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From fritchie at mr.net Mon Apr 23 22:56:20 2001 From: fritchie at mr.net (Scott Lystig Fritchie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:18672] Hidding SMTP info? In-Reply-To: Message of "Thu, 08 Jun 2000 17:16:44 CDT." <20000608171644.E2197@dogbrain.com> Message-ID: <200104240356.f3O3uKb43189@snookles.snookles.com> >>>>> "km" == Karl Morgan writes: km> Nullclient is a very useful configuration. But I think what bob is km> asking is if there is a way to change the sendmail behaviour km> regarding how a Received header is inserted into the message for km> each hop that an email might take. You can change the way that a sendmail process will insert a "Received" header. In your M4 master config file, you could use something like, for instance: define(`confRECEIVED_HEADER', `$?sfrom $s $.$?_($?s$|from $.$_) $.by $j ($v/$Z)$?r with $r$. id $i SMTP "MAIL FROM" = $f$?u SMTP "RCPT TO" = $?s$u$|{local origin}$.$|$. at $b') You *are* using M4 to maintain your sendmail config file, aren't you? :-) NOTE: altering the "Received" header may put your MTA out of compliance with the RFC 821. Beware of email cops. km> Other posters have asked this on comp.mail.sendmail and the answer km> has been that you would need to modify source code to do km> this. Realize that you could modify the received header in the M4, km> or resulting cf file but then you would most likely lose real (and km> perhaps valuable) header info by doing that. The inability to km> trace a message because you decided not to include host, ident, km> time info in an email header etc. Note that RFC 1123 (section 5.2.8) prohibits anyone from mucking with a "Received" header that "... was previously added to the message header." If you do muck with the confRECEIVED_HEADER variable, it's unwise to rip out so much info that you can't track what happened to a message. If you need to explain to your boss, your CEO, or the FBI how a message passed through your system, you probably ought to be able to do explain. If you're in a "to hell with the RFCs, the IETF, law enforcement, and my boss" kind of mood ... you can use sendmail's "milter", the message filter, to modify messages on the fly, including the headers, AFAIK. You could even apply this filter selectively (e.g. only to messages leaving the company) and have much more flexibility in how sensitive information could be obfuscated. -Scott From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Mon Apr 23 23:02:15 2001 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bind 9.1 Message-ID: Has anyone used the latest version of Bind? I just got the tgz, unpacked/compiled it, and set it up on a Red Hat 6.2 system (P75 & 32MB RAM) and it looks like it spawns a separate process for each zone. While this makes for some very responsive daemons, it also takes up some memory I didn't think I'd be parting with for this purpose. It could be just a default (I just "let'er rip", really) but the docs did say it was different. Perhaps this DNS/mail server will be a little more laid back than I first thought... From tanner at real-time.com Mon Apr 23 23:21:48 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FYI [HC Support] Redcarpet broken? Message-ID: <20010423232148.O22171@real-time.com> ----- Forwarded message from Mark Gordon ----- > Subject: Re: [HC Support] Redcarpet broken? > From: Mark Gordon > To: tanner@real-time.com > Cc: support@ximian.com > X-Mailer: Evolution/0.10 (Preview Release) > Date: 24 Apr 2001 00:19:30 -0400 > > The following email went out to the Red Carpet list on Saturday: > > Hey guys, > > We'd like to thank everyone who helped beta test Red Carpet. Writing > and debugging an application is never easy, especially one as > ambitious and complex as Red Carpet has turned out to be. Without > your assistance, Red Carpet would never be as far along as it is now. > > Many of you have probably noticed some problems with Red Carpet > lately. Recently Red Carpet was asking to remove itself if you > upgraded to the latest Evolution Snapshots, which is certainly > sub-optimal behaviour. > > It was our intention to release another beta version in the last few > days, but unfortunately, we've run out of time. To reassure you, all > future releases of Red Carpet will be statically linked, which means > they won't depend on other software on your machine. The advantage of > this is that Red Carpet won't depend or conflict with any other > software packages, and installing it will always be as simple as > installing a single rpm or deb file. > > Unfortunately, all of us at Ximian got caught up in working on the > next version of the Ximian GNOME Desktop, and were unable to make > another beta release. The good news is that Red Carpet will be a core > element of our next release of the Ximian Desktop, so you won't have > to wait long. > > Last night we took the Red Carpet server down for some upgrades, > modifications, and maintenance. You're going to have to live without > Red Carpet for a few days, but when it comes back up, it will be as a > supported, standard Ximian service. > > So, sit tight. There are some very cool things around the corner, and > you all helped make it happen. You won't be disappointed. > > Thanks, > The Red Carpet Team > ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Apr 24 01:21:12 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19142] Network Solutions phone ? Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10987F@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> The best time to call them is after 7pm. I think they are open until 10pm or so. One thing is for sure though, no one at that place is interested in being nice to you. I've moved almost all of my domains away from them because they are impossible to get ahold of, impossible to work with, and complete jerks on the phone. I had to transfer registrant information for about 120 domains, and that was the biggest nightmare ever. 120 separate notarized, signed agreements. They wouldn't let us do one with a listing of all the domains (transferred all from the same company to us). And when our company name changed and our company name at NSI didn't match our new name, it took them 8 weeks to fix it for us, even though we paid them $250 for the expedited service (which consequently caused some SSL certs to expire because Verisign wouldn't give us new ones without the registrant info at NSI matching). I hate NSI. I really really really hate NSI. Of course, register.com isn't too much better. I was using their web interface the other day, and it screwed up and I was magically logged in as someone else. I could view all of their account info, including part of their credit card, modify their domains, and buy new ones under their name with their card. I notified register.com about it, and they seemed disinterested, blaming is on user error. Ummm, if I can screw up and get logged in as someone else, it seems to me that it's a problem with their site. > -----Original Message----- > From: Karl Morgan [mailto:ksm@dogbrain.com] > Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 3:38 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19142] Network Solutions phone ? > > > I had to once, i couldn't get through on the published phone > number. Like you are seeing, everything is busy. I ended up calling > a random extension at NSI . I got somebody who happily transferred > me to where I wanted to be. > > Real lame > > - Karl > On Fri, Jun 23, 2000 at 03:18:33PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > > I have been trying to contact Network Solutions via phone > for the last 4 days, > > I get all circuits busy. Has anyone ever gotten through to > these people? > > > > -- > > Bob Tanner | Phone : (612)943-8700 > > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (612)943-8500 > > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tclug-list-unsubscribe@mn-linux.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: tclug-list-help@mn-linux.org > > -- > Karl Morgan > http://www.dogbrain.com > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Apr 24 01:59:07 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19142] Network Solutions phone ? In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10987F@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 01:21:12AM -0500 References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10987F@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010424015907.I6314@ringworld.org> * Austad, Jay [010424 01:23]: > I hate NSI. I really really really hate NSI. we just moved a domain to www.gkg.net, worked great. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010424/bd843789/attachment.pgp From eng at pinenet.com Tue Apr 24 04:23:06 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] question; re-invent an old idea ? Message-ID: <3AE545FA.76880540@pinenet.com> I think I can put together the electronics (including fiber optic interconnects). But the software is beyond me. Thanks for the thoughts. From administrator at ltiflex.com Tue Apr 24 08:21:11 2001 From: administrator at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] suitable configured kernel include tree References: <20010424034904.74658.qmail@web11504.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3AE57DC7.9EC71527@ltiflex.com> Sure, it means it can't find kernel headers, usually those glibc was compiled agnist but in most cases the currently running kernel will do. Most distros keep headers in /usr/include/linux. Most people extract they're kernel source in /usr/src/linux, so many things look there as well. (actually /usr/src/linux/include/) The debate as to wether or not kernel source should actually be extracted to /usr/src/linux or your home directory and compiled as root or a standard user ragers on, but that's another thread. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From stauffer_james at yahoo.com Tue Apr 24 08:34:01 2001 From: stauffer_james at yahoo.com (James A. N. Stauffer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] suitable configured kernel include tree In-Reply-To: <3AE57DC7.9EC71527@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <20010424133401.76214.qmail@web11507.mail.yahoo.com> Do you know which RH rpm I need? --- Andy Zbikowski wrote: > Sure, it means it can't find kernel headers, usually those glibc was > compiled agnist but in most cases the currently running kernel will do. > Most > distros keep headers in /usr/include/linux. > > Most people extract they're kernel source in /usr/src/linux, so many > things > look there as well. (actually /usr/src/linux/include/) The debate as to > wether or not kernel source should actually be extracted to > /usr/src/linux > or your home directory and compiled as root or a standard user ragers on, > but that's another thread. > > -- > Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com > LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 > 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 > Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ===== = o o o o o o o . . . __________________________ _____=======_||___ o _____ | James A. N. Stauffer | | Stauffer_James | .][__n_n_|DD[ ====____ | Spam food: uce@ftc.gov | | @yahoo.com | >(________|__|_[________]_|________________________|_|________________| _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o¬o¬o o¬o¬o` 'o¬o o¬o` __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com Tue Apr 24 08:52:52 2001 From: JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com (Miller, John) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] suitable configured kernel include tree Message-ID: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3941D61F2@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> Just a quick observation from my system RH7.0. When I do a rpm source install, the rpm puts the source under a version number linux-2.2.16 and linux-2.4.0 and creates a link to the direcorty "linux". This allows me to have more than one version in the src directory. I usually have to change the link when I install a different source. Question: I have successfully compiled the 2.4.0 version of the kernel and put it on a floppy. When I boot from the floppy I can see the kernel load and then the system stops. Any ideas what might be causing this. This is the first time I have installed a new version of a kernel so I don't know quite what I am doing, other than preserving the original in case of something like this happens. John Miller Dain Rauscher Inc. Application Services IS Capital Markets Phone 612-547-7573 Fax 612-547-7580 mailto:jmiller2@dainrauscher.com -----Original Message----- From: Andy Zbikowski [mailto:administrator@ltiflex.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 8:21 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] suitable configured kernel include tree Sure, it means it can't find kernel headers, usually those glibc was compiled agnist but in most cases the currently running kernel will do. Most distros keep headers in /usr/include/linux. Most people extract they're kernel source in /usr/src/linux, so many things look there as well. (actually /usr/src/linux/include/) The debate as to wether or not kernel source should actually be extracted to /usr/src/linux or your home directory and compiled as root or a standard user ragers on, but that's another thread. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Tue Apr 24 09:10:12 2001 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] suitable configured kernel include tree In-Reply-To: <20010424133401.76214.qmail@web11507.mail.yahoo.com>; from stauffer_james@yahoo.com on Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 06:34:01AM -0700 References: <3AE57DC7.9EC71527@ltiflex.com> <20010424133401.76214.qmail@web11507.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20010424091012.A16956@sorry.cs.umn.edu> On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 06:34:01AM -0700, James A. N. Stauffer wrote: > Do you know which RH rpm I need? Kernel headers are in the kernel-header-.rpm. Do rpm -qa | grep kernel to see which kernel packages you have. IIRC, the kernel headers are installed by default, but it couild depend on which "installation" you choose when you do the install (e.g. workstation, server, devel workstation, etc.) Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Dear Dr. Stupid: Why do I have to go to school?" -- Announcer "Your parents are aliens!! While you're at school, they shed their human skins and breathe dryer lint!!" - Dr. Stupid in "Ask Dr. Stupid" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From simeonuj at eetc.com Tue Apr 24 09:12:31 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LILO, partitions and cylinders... again References: <200104232222.f3NMM4L23146@sprite.real-time.com> <006001c0cc54$494435a0$0100a8c0@homey> Message-ID: <3AE589C8.91329013@eetc.com> I would recomend Redhat 7.1. It is easier to setup than most other distros. Has lots of goodies. : ) I have also heard some good things about Mandrake 8.0. It is based on Redhat ( I think ) and has everything Redhat has and more. Easier setup and configuration ( I haven't used it yet though ). What version of Windows are you using? If you are using NT it is pretty simple to set up the NTLDR to boot Linux. BTW, Mandrake 8.0 is at www.linuxiso.org. I got a really good speed from there. Haven't tried it yet. sim Chris Schumann wrote: > Hi all, it's time to install Linux once again on my laptop. > (An IBM ThinkPad 600X.) > > I have a 12GB hard drive, and I'd like to use 8GB for Windows > (because it pays the bills) and 4GB for Linux (because I'd like > for it to pay the bills). > > Do I still need to have a boot partition below cylinder 1024? > If so, that's still lame. (Personally, I think a linux kernel > in a file on a FAT partition, ot something like NT's NTLDR > would be pretty cool.) > > I'm planning on using RH 7.1 (because it's the big name has been > heard by potential customers), and I am free to trash my drive > and start from scratch. > > I'd like recommendations from you (yes, you) about how to set > up my partitions and why. (I'd also like a minimum of debate, but > I'll take what comes). > > I will not be reading or responding to useless comments about > using other distributions, but reasoned, informative suggestions > for them are very welcome. > > Many thanks, > Chris Schumann > Partner > Third Wave Partnership > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From stauffer_james at yahoo.com Tue Apr 24 09:13:57 2001 From: stauffer_james at yahoo.com (James A. N. Stauffer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] suitable configured kernel include tree In-Reply-To: <20010424091012.A16956@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010424141357.43749.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks. I did a workstation install, then I removed packages that I *thought* I wouldn't need. :-) --- dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 06:34:01AM -0700, James A. N. Stauffer wrote: > > Do you know which RH rpm I need? > > Kernel headers are in the kernel-header-.rpm. Do > > rpm -qa | grep kernel > > to see which kernel packages you have. IIRC, the kernel headers are > installed by default, but it couild depend on which "installation" you > choose when you do the install (e.g. workstation, server, devel > workstation, etc.) > > Gabe > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Gabe Turner | X-President, > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | > dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > "Dear Dr. Stupid: Why do I have to go to school?" -- Announcer > "Your parents are aliens!! While you're at school, they shed their > human skins and breathe dryer lint!!" > - Dr. Stupid in "Ask Dr. Stupid" > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ===== = o o o o o o o . . . __________________________ _____=======_||___ o _____ | James A. N. Stauffer | | Stauffer_James | .][__n_n_|DD[ ====____ | Spam food: uce@ftc.gov | | @yahoo.com | >(________|__|_[________]_|________________________|_|________________| _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o¬o¬o o¬o¬o` 'o¬o o¬o` __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From esper at sherohman.org Tue Apr 24 09:25:02 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG:19142] Network Solutions phone ? In-Reply-To: <20010423214311.A5546@master.dbsource.com>; from heilja@master.dbsource.com on Mon, Apr 23, 2001 at 09:43:11PM -0500 References: <20000623151833.C19946@real-time.com> <20000623153747.A25607@dogbrain.com> <20010423214311.A5546@master.dbsource.com> Message-ID: <20010424092501.A5319@sherohman.org> On Mon, Apr 23, 2001 at 09:43:11PM -0500, Joseph Heil wrote: > Fix the time on your system. 10 months late. > > On Fri, Jun 23, 2000 at 03:37:47PM -0500, Karl Morgan wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 23, 2000 at 03:18:33PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: ^^^^^^^^^^^^ That's what I thought too, at first, then I noticed that the dates claimed for all the messages Karl was replying to were also a year old. And spread out over a couple months. So I'd say that his mail spool was probably clogged and he just now got it sending messages out again. -- That's not gibberish... It's Linux. - Byers, The Lone Gunmen Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From rseymour at anarchysoftware.com Tue Apr 24 10:51:43 2001 From: rseymour at anarchysoftware.com (Richard Seymour) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FreeGeek References: <20010424141357.43749.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3AE5A10F.3F7CCC3F@anarchysoftware.com> I used to come to tclug meetings and hang out on this list before I moved out here to Oregon. Since moving out here, I've gotten involved with this interesting project where we take people's old junky computers, sort through them, and assemble useful boxes. Then we install them with Linux and some simple applications (word processer, browser, etc.) and give them away to people who need computers. The people who adopt the computers earn the box by volunteering in the process, so there's an educational component as well. What we don't use gets pulled into components and recycled, so there's an environmental component in the mix too. More info at: http://www.freegeek.org This has been a very successful project out here. We've got a waiting list of ~200 people who want to volunteer. (Many of them don't even want a box in exchange.) We've recycled >17 tons of stuff. And we've given away hundreds of boxes since September when we opened. We've also made plenty of mistakes, and have worked like crazy on the whole idea. I'm going to be back in Mpls/St Paul from May 3-17 visiting friends, and I wondered is anyone at TCLUG interested in getting together for an informal chat about the project? -- Richard Seymour : Anarchy Software, Inc. - * - - * - - - * -+- * - - - * - - * - `????,? ?,????' `????,??,???? From jesse_erdmann at securecomputing.com Tue Apr 24 11:04:40 2001 From: jesse_erdmann at securecomputing.com (Jesse Erdmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FreeGeek References: <20010424141357.43749.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> <3AE5A10F.3F7CCC3F@anarchysoftware.com> Message-ID: <3AE5A418.9E838AA6@securecomputing.com> Wow! I've been thinking about trying to do something like this for a while now. I'm certainly interested. Anyone else out there have an interest in trying to do something like this? Richard Seymour wrote: > > I used to come to tclug meetings and hang out on this list before I > moved out here to Oregon. > > Since moving out here, I've gotten involved with this interesting > project where we take people's old junky computers, sort through them, > and assemble useful boxes. Then we install them with Linux and some > simple applications (word processer, browser, etc.) and give them away > to people who need computers. The people who adopt the computers earn > the box by volunteering in the process, so there's an educational > component as well. What we don't use gets pulled into components and > recycled, so there's an environmental component in the mix too. > > More info at: http://www.freegeek.org > > This has been a very successful project out here. We've got a waiting > list of ~200 people who want to volunteer. (Many of them don't even want > a box in exchange.) We've recycled >17 tons of stuff. And we've given > away hundreds of boxes since September when we opened. We've also made > plenty of mistakes, and have worked like crazy on the whole idea. > > I'm going to be back in Mpls/St Paul from May 3-17 visiting friends, and > I wondered is anyone at TCLUG interested in getting together for an > informal chat about the project? > > -- > Richard Seymour : Anarchy Software, Inc. > - * - - * - - - * -+- * - - - * - - * - > `????,? ?,????' > `????,??,???? > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jesse Erdmann Engineer Secure Computing Corp. Tel. (651) 628-1535 From lxy at cloudnet.com Tue Apr 24 11:17:29 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FreeGeek Message-ID: <3ae5a719.6d12.269167349@cloudnet.com> > > I'm going to be back in Mpls/St Paul from May 3-17 > visiting friends, and > > I wondered is anyone at TCLUG interested in getting > together for an > > informal chat about the project? Count me in! Depending on the date I may not be able to make it, but if I could I'd love to hear more about it > Wow! I've been thinking about trying to do something like > this for a > while now. I'm certainly interested. Anyone else out > there have an > interest in trying to do something like this? I live in St. Cloud so I can't volunteer my time, but I'd love to donate all that hardware that's piling up that I'll never use and feel bad about throwing away. I've got a few Socket 7 boards, video cards, sound cards, modems, hard drives, etc so if something does get started, I'd like to dump off a lot of excess hardware. From kethry at winternet.com Tue Apr 24 11:23:36 2001 From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FreeGeek In-Reply-To: <3AE5A418.9E838AA6@securecomputing.com> Message-ID: I would be interested, and may have some older boxes to donate - not sure if they'll work, but.... On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Jesse Erdmann wrote: > Wow! I've been thinking about trying to do something like this for a > while now. I'm certainly interested. Anyone else out there have an > interest in trying to do something like this? > > Richard Seymour wrote: > > > > I used to come to tclug meetings and hang out on this list before I > > moved out here to Oregon. > > > > Since moving out here, I've gotten involved with this interesting > > project where we take people's old junky computers, sort through them, > > and assemble useful boxes. Then we install them with Linux and some > > simple applications (word processer, browser, etc.) and give them away > > to people who need computers. The people who adopt the computers earn > > the box by volunteering in the process, so there's an educational > > component as well. What we don't use gets pulled into components and > > recycled, so there's an environmental component in the mix too. > > > > More info at: http://www.freegeek.org > > > > This has been a very successful project out here. We've got a waiting > > list of ~200 people who want to volunteer. (Many of them don't even want > > a box in exchange.) We've recycled >17 tons of stuff. And we've given > > away hundreds of boxes since September when we opened. We've also made > > plenty of mistakes, and have worked like crazy on the whole idea. > > > > I'm going to be back in Mpls/St Paul from May 3-17 visiting friends, and > > I wondered is anyone at TCLUG interested in getting together for an > > informal chat about the project? > > > > -- > > Richard Seymour : Anarchy Software, Inc. > > - * - - * - - - * -+- * - - - * - - * - > > `°º¤ø,¸ ¸,ø¤º°' > > `°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º° > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Imagination is intelligence having fun... e-mail: kethry@winternet.com URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html From andy at theasis.com Tue Apr 24 11:24:43 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FreeGeek In-Reply-To: <3AE5A10F.3F7CCC3F@anarchysoftware.com> Message-ID: > More info at: http://www.freegeek.org > I'm going to be back in Mpls/St Paul from May 3-17 visiting friends, and > I wondered is anyone at TCLUG interested in getting together for an > informal chat about the project? Well, is there a LUG meeting in that time frame where we could devote some time towards this topic? Andy From jonathankl_2001 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 24 11:24:57 2001 From: jonathankl_2001 at yahoo.com (Jonathan Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FreeGeek In-Reply-To: <3AE5A418.9E838AA6@securecomputing.com> Message-ID: <20010424162457.55353.qmail@web13401.mail.yahoo.com> Count me in, I also have a bunch of excess hardware..... --- Jesse Erdmann wrote: > Wow! I've been thinking about trying to do something like this for > a > while now. I'm certainly interested. Anyone else out there have > an > interest in trying to do something like this? > > Richard Seymour wrote: > > > > I used to come to tclug meetings and hang out on this list before > I > > moved out here to Oregon. > > > > Since moving out here, I've gotten involved with this interesting > > project where we take people's old junky computers, sort through > them, > > and assemble useful boxes. Then we install them with Linux and > some > > simple applications (word processer, browser, etc.) and give them > away > > to people who need computers. The people who adopt the computers > earn > > the box by volunteering in the process, so there's an educational > > component as well. What we don't use gets pulled into components > and > > recycled, so there's an environmental component in the mix too. > > > > More info at: http://www.freegeek.org > > > > This has been a very successful project out here. We've got a > waiting > > list of ~200 people who want to volunteer. (Many of them don't > even want > > a box in exchange.) We've recycled >17 tons of stuff. And we've > given > > away hundreds of boxes since September when we opened. We've also > made > > plenty of mistakes, and have worked like crazy on the whole idea. > > > > I'm going to be back in Mpls/St Paul from May 3-17 visiting > friends, and > > I wondered is anyone at TCLUG interested in getting together for > an > > informal chat about the project? > > > > -- > > Richard Seymour : Anarchy Software, Inc. > > - * - - * - - - * -+- * - - - * - - * - > > `°º¤ø,¸ ¸,ø¤º°' > > `°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º° > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- > > Jesse Erdmann > Engineer > Secure Computing Corp. > Tel. (651) 628-1535 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From fertch at mninter.net Tue Apr 24 11:30:31 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: HDD's needed Message-ID: <3AE5AA27.ADB730F@mninter.net> Hi all, I'm looking for some 1 to 2 gig hard drives or even less than that, SCSI or IDE. If anyone has some that they are willing to get rid of, I'm looking for a few of them. Write to me offlist if you want to get rid of some. Shawn From atebbe at real-time.com Tue Apr 24 11:25:53 2001 From: atebbe at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FreeGeek In-Reply-To: <3AE5A10F.3F7CCC3F@anarchysoftware.com>; from rseymour@anarchysoftware.com on Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 08:51:43AM -0700 References: <20010424141357.43749.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> <3AE5A10F.3F7CCC3F@anarchysoftware.com> Message-ID: <20010424112553.Y31279@real-time.com> I'd be willing to help with this. There's a TCLUG meeting 5/5 - why not have anyone interested get together after the meeting to discuss? On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 08:51:43AM -0700, Richard Seymour (rseymour@anarchysoftware.com) wrote: > I used to come to tclug meetings and hang out on this list before I > moved out here to Oregon. > > Since moving out here, I've gotten involved with this interesting > project where we take people's old junky computers, sort through them, > and assemble useful boxes. Then we install them with Linux and some > simple applications (word processer, browser, etc.) and give them away > to people who need computers. The people who adopt the computers earn > the box by volunteering in the process, so there's an educational > component as well. What we don't use gets pulled into components and > recycled, so there's an environmental component in the mix too. > > More info at: http://www.freegeek.org > > This has been a very successful project out here. We've got a waiting > list of ~200 people who want to volunteer. (Many of them don't even want > a box in exchange.) We've recycled >17 tons of stuff. And we've given > away hundreds of boxes since September when we opened. We've also made > plenty of mistakes, and have worked like crazy on the whole idea. > > I'm going to be back in Mpls/St Paul from May 3-17 visiting friends, and > I wondered is anyone at TCLUG interested in getting together for an > informal chat about the project? > > > -- > Richard Seymour : Anarchy Software, Inc. > - * - - * - - - * -+- * - - - * - - * - > `????,? ?,????' > `????,??,???? > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Amy Tanner Voice: 952.943.8700 Real Time Enterprises, Inc. Fax: 952.943.8500 amy@real-time.com http://www.real-time.com GPG Fingerprint: DAC7 E1B2 80D9 3099 1A20 0817 2DFE 5086 81B3 5466 From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Apr 24 11:27:16 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:46 2005 Subject: Cut the NOISE:LINE (was Re: [TCLUG] FreeGeek) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 24 Apr 2001 09:24:57 PDT." <20010424162457.55353.qmail@web13401.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20010424162457.55353.qmail@web13401.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20010424162716.1A2AA18253@skuld.wk> In message <20010424162457.55353.qmail@web13401.mail.yahoo.com>, Jonathan Kline writes: > Count me in, I also have a bunch of excess hardware..... > > --- Jesse Erdmann wrote: > > Wow! I've been thinking about trying to do something like this > > for a while now. I'm certainly interested. Anyone else out there > > have an I think it's time for a reminder... NOISE:LINE ratio is getting high as a direct result of this type of post. CUT OUT TEXT THAT IS NOT RELAVENT! This poster made a one-line reply to a multi-line post and included the entire post to do so. THIS IS A WASTE! Please be considerate people. This previous poster is not the only offender... -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD From duncan at sodatrain.com Tue Apr 24 10:43:12 2001 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FreeGeek In-Reply-To: <3AE5A10F.3F7CCC3F@anarchysoftware.com> Message-ID: I am certianly interested. I am moving from boston to minneapolis july 1st, and am very interested in this idea. I have been holding off on starting something myself latley (busy getting ready to move, and planning a wedding) I have for awhile now, been looking to find some way to volunteer my computer skills/knowledge back to the comminity, and had since decided that the best way would be to get hardware donated, recycle it, put linux on it, and donate it to not for profits, womens shelters, community centers.... I also am sitting on a rather large server for myself, that isint doing much, and want to try and use that also. For this, i have decdied that i want to offer these groups access to services of phpgroupware or something similar (email, calendars, file storage...) So, this said, i am ver interested in meeting with you, and being actively involved in a project like it. I have already dont some work looking at how to start a not-for-profit in MN, and am interested in any help that can be given there. My luck has it, that i wont be in Minneapolis during that time, but I would still love to hear what is going on, and to help get something off the ground. thanks, this is exciting! duncan On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Richard Seymour wrote: > I used to come to tclug meetings and hang out on this list before I > moved out here to Oregon. > > Since moving out here, I've gotten involved with this interesting > project where we take people's old junky computers, sort through them, > and assemble useful boxes. Then we install them with Linux and some > simple applications (word processer, browser, etc.) and give them away > to people who need computers. The people who adopt the computers earn > the box by volunteering in the process, so there's an educational > component as well. What we don't use gets pulled into components and > recycled, so there's an environmental component in the mix too. > > More info at: http://www.freegeek.org > > This has been a very successful project out here. We've got a waiting > list of ~200 people who want to volunteer. (Many of them don't even want > a box in exchange.) We've recycled >17 tons of stuff. And we've given > away hundreds of boxes since September when we opened. We've also made > plenty of mistakes, and have worked like crazy on the whole idea. > > I'm going to be back in Mpls/St Paul from May 3-17 visiting friends, and > I wondered is anyone at TCLUG interested in getting together for an > informal chat about the project? > > > -- || || || || || || duncan shannon duncan@sodatrain.com From esper at sherohman.org Tue Apr 24 11:40:33 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:46 2005 Subject: Cut the NOISE:LINE (was Re: [TCLUG] FreeGeek) In-Reply-To: <20010424162716.1A2AA18253@skuld.wk>; from chewie@wookimus.net on Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 11:27:16AM -0500 References: <20010424162457.55353.qmail@web13401.mail.yahoo.com> <20010424162716.1A2AA18253@skuld.wk> Message-ID: <20010424114033.F5319@sherohman.org> On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 11:27:16AM -0500, Chad C. Walstrom wrote: > I think it's time for a reminder... NOISE:LINE ratio is getting high > as a direct result of this type of post. CUT OUT TEXT THAT IS NOT > RELAVENT! This poster made a one-line reply to a multi-line post and > included the entire post to do so. THIS IS A WASTE! Hear, hear! > Please be considerate people. This previous poster is not the only > offender... Since the unedited posts seem to be of the 'comment at the top and quote everything below' form, I assumed they were coming from MS mail clients. Then I checked the headers of one at random and saw that it was sent with mutt. *sigh* Tip for those using a vi-based mail editor: If you're going to just comment at the top, hit d} before saving/sending. It will delete everything until the next blank line; for quoted text, each line starts with >, which makes it non-blank. Two keystrokes will wipe out the entire quoted-but-unreferenced message. -- That's not gibberish... It's Linux. - Byers, The Lone Gunmen Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From BTimm at Interelate.com Tue Apr 24 11:39:17 2001 From: BTimm at Interelate.com (Brad Timm) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FreeGeek Message-ID: I to would be insterested, and from the sounds of it we have a good group and a starting collection of hardware. But it also sounds like we need space. Long term storage of parts with power to build and test the componants/systems. Anyone know of any groups that may have space and would be willing to "Host" the activities. I know TCfreenet has something like this going with some old terminals they were given. Anyone want to wear a organizer hat to check this out? Brad Timm -----Original Message----- From: Amy Tanner [mailto:atebbe@real-time.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 11:26 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] FreeGeek I'd be willing to help with this. There's a TCLUG meeting 5/5 - why not have anyone interested get together after the meeting to discuss? On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 08:51:43AM -0700, Richard Seymour (rseymour@anarchysoftware.com) wrote: > I used to come to tclug meetings and hang out on this list before I > moved out here to Oregon. > > Since moving out here, I've gotten involved with this interesting > project where we take people's old junky computers, sort through them, > and assemble useful boxes. Then we install them with Linux and some > simple applications (word processer, browser, etc.) and give them away > to people who need computers. The people who adopt the computers earn > the box by volunteering in the process, so there's an educational > component as well. What we don't use gets pulled into components and > recycled, so there's an environmental component in the mix too. > > More info at: http://www.freegeek.org > > This has been a very successful project out here. We've got a waiting > list of ~200 people who want to volunteer. (Many of them don't even want > a box in exchange.) We've recycled >17 tons of stuff. And we've given > away hundreds of boxes since September when we opened. We've also made > plenty of mistakes, and have worked like crazy on the whole idea. > > I'm going to be back in Mpls/St Paul from May 3-17 visiting friends, and > I wondered is anyone at TCLUG interested in getting together for an > informal chat about the project? > > > -- > Richard Seymour : Anarchy Software, Inc. > - * - - * - - - * -+- * - - - * - - * - > `????,? ?,????' > `????,??,???? > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Amy Tanner Voice: 952.943.8700 Real Time Enterprises, Inc. Fax: 952.943.8500 amy@real-time.com http://www.real-time.com GPG Fingerprint: DAC7 E1B2 80D9 3099 1A20 0817 2DFE 5086 81B3 5466 _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From administrator at ltiflex.com Tue Apr 24 12:06:21 2001 From: administrator at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:46 2005 Subject: Cut the NOISE:LINE (was Re: [TCLUG] FreeGeek) References: <20010424162457.55353.qmail@web13401.mail.yahoo.com> <20010424162716.1A2AA18253@skuld.wk> <20010424114033.F5319@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <3AE5B28D.2D16CF5F@ltiflex.com> *ahem* To the tune of Marry Had a Little Lamb: Please remember to trim your posts, trim your posts, trim your posts. Please remember to trim your posts, or I will kick your ass. Thank you, no autographs please. ;) -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From duncan at sodatrain.com Tue Apr 24 11:22:33 2001 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FreeGeek In-Reply-To: <3AE5A10F.3F7CCC3F@anarchysoftware.com> Message-ID: I had a small discussion about this with someone off list, and he figured that this is sure to go off-list soon. in my off list email i stated that i could put up a mail list for it, if anyone thinks that it would be a good idea. I expresed interest in hosting such a projet (mail list and site...) on my box, ive got a dell 2300 to myself, with not a whole lot of activity... Should i create the list, and announce it later when it is ready to move this out of here? looking to help in any way i can, duncan -- || || || || || || duncan shannon duncan@sodatrain.com From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Tue Apr 24 12:18:57 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:47 2005 Subject: Cut the NOISE:LINE (was Re: [TCLUG] FreeGeek) In-Reply-To: <3AE5B28D.2D16CF5F@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Andy Zbikowski wrote: > > Thank you, no autographs please. ;) > That's OK, I wasn't going to give you one anyway. -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From lxy at cloudnet.com Tue Apr 24 12:19:53 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Super Computer Sale (was OT: Hard drives) Message-ID: <3ae5b5b9.1e40.269167349@cloudnet.com> Unfortunately, everyone wants those little 1-2 GB drives which is why they're hard to find and cost so much. On the plus side thiough, the Super Computer Sale is going on this weekend (27-29) at the State Fairgrounds. Get there Fri morning when they open and load up on all the bargain hard drives and misc parts. From eng at pinenet.com Tue Apr 24 11:37:18 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FreeGeek References: <20010424141357.43749.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> <3AE5A10F.3F7CCC3F@anarchysoftware.com> Message-ID: <3AE5ABBE.7F3AD887@pinenet.com> Richard Seymour wrote: > > I used to come to tclug meetings and hang out on this list before I > moved out here to Oregon. > > Since moving out here, I've gotten involved with this interesting > project where we take people's old junky computers, sort through them, > and assemble useful boxes. Then we install them with Linux and some > simple applications (word processer, browser, etc.) and give them away > to people who need computers. The people who adopt the computers earn > the box by volunteering in the process, so there's an educational > component as well. What we don't use gets pulled into components and > recycled, so there's an environmental component in the mix too. > > More info at: http://www.freegeek.org > > This has been a very successful project out here. We've got a waiting > list of ~200 people who want to volunteer. (Many of them don't even want > a box in exchange.) We've recycled >17 tons of stuff. And we've given > away hundreds of boxes since September when we opened. We've also made > plenty of mistakes, and have worked like crazy on the whole idea. > > I'm going to be back in Mpls/St Paul from May 3-17 visiting friends, and > I wondered is anyone at TCLUG interested in getting together for an > informal chat about the project? > > -- > Richard Seymour : Anarchy Software, Inc. > - * - - * - - - * -+- * - - - * - - * - > `????,? ?,????' > `????,??,???? > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list I've tried, unsuccessfully,to do the same thing in the Mora, MN. area. It is a good idea and I would enjoy connecting your group to some poor rural kids. Or perhaps connecting some poor rural kids to some poor urban kids for the same end. From jasonj at talkware.net Tue Apr 24 12:48:56 2001 From: jasonj at talkware.net (Jason Jorgensen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Summer jobs. Message-ID: <3AE5BC88.38519A7B@talkware.net> Several of my friends that go to college out of the cities have emailed me wondering if I know of any summer jobs open for college students. So if anyone knows of summer seasonal or internship type positions open in technical fields on the scale of a Tech 2 - Engineer 1 please email me off list. Thank you very much. From jasonj at talkware.net Tue Apr 24 12:59:53 2001 From: jasonj at talkware.net (Jason Jorgensen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Summer jobs. Message-ID: <3AE5BF19.38F3531D@talkware.net> Several of my friends that go to college out of the cities have emailed me wondering if I know of any summer jobs open for college students. So if anyone knows of summer seasonal or internship type positions open in technical fields on the scale of a Tech 2 - Engineer 1 please email me off list. Thank you very much. From jasonj at talkware.net Tue Apr 24 13:04:59 2001 From: jasonj at talkware.net (Jason Jorgensen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Summer jobs. References: <3AE5BC88.38519A7B@talkware.net> Message-ID: <3AE5C04B.E9091F16@talkware.net> Last message. Sorry my bad. Didnt mean to send it to this list in the first place. I am off to flog myself now. Jason Jorgensen wrote: > Several of my friends that go to college out of the cities have emailed > me wondering if I know of any summer jobs open for college students. > > So if anyone knows of summer seasonal or internship type positions open > in technical fields on the scale of a Tech 2 - Engineer 1 please email > me off list. > > Thank you very much. > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spudling at acm.cs.umn.edu Tue Apr 24 13:40:42 2001 From: spudling at acm.cs.umn.edu (Hans Davin Umhoefer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cd ripping problems near final track Message-ID: <20010424134042.A10813@acm.cs.umn.edu> Hey all. It's been a while since I posted, but... I've been encountering problems with cdparanoia. Specifically, on the final 20,000 to 30,000 blocks of a rip data transfer slows way down or stops completely and there are almost always errors which cdparanoia cannot correct. I've just been dealing with it since I only occasionally fail to rip a track but it's getting annoying. Is this a fault of cdparanoia or my hardware. The CDROM is a four year old Toshiba 16x. My apologies if this has been discussed on the list already. I don't remember seeing anything in the archives that addressed this problem. Thanks in advance for any insight. Hans -- Hans D Umhoefer (hans.d.umhoefer@uwrf.edu) From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Tue Apr 24 13:11:51 2001 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John Joseph Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: HDD's needed Message-ID: <20010424131151.A16503@mn.rr.com> Materials Processing has a metric assload of little (~1 Gb) drives. -- [W]hen the manager knows his boss will accept status reports without panic or preeemption, he comes to give honest appraisals. - F. Brooks, _The Mythical Man-Month_ From chrome at real-time.com Tue Apr 24 13:49:55 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Inexpensive inland optical mouse from MicroCenter In-Reply-To: <20010423122933.F7000@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Mon, Apr 23, 2001 at 12:29:33PM -0500 References: <3AE45E3B.C69C171F@talkware.net> <20010423121401.H6314@ringworld.org> <20010423122933.F7000@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20010424134955.A25614@real-time.com> > Now if they'd just start making a Trackman Optical. Although I'm not really > that sure about how you'd do a trackball without a ball... they do. they rock. :) Logitech Trackman Marble. don't leave home without it. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Tue Apr 24 13:56:40 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Good mice In-Reply-To: ; from Troy.A.Johnson@state.mn.us on Mon, Apr 23, 2001 at 05:20:23PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010424135640.B25614@real-time.com> > The triangular (from above, at least) kind that you can pick up and move so easily with thumb and pinkie? and that give me horrible wrist and finger cramps because they're too small? :) It's not a bad layout; but the lack of support for the heel of my hand really kills my wrist. if it was 50% bigger, or at least longer; it would rick. I gave up on mice a while ago; because almost none of them support the heel of your hand; so you're never at a comfortable, relaxed position. I saw one once called the 'whale mouse'; which was big, and looked like it had good thumb and heel support. www.humanscale.com (you'll need a browser which supports Shocwave ;( ) unfortunately; they don't have a wheel on it. :( Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Tue Apr 24 14:18:09 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] question; re-invent an old idea ? - Winterms In-Reply-To: <3AE480B0.4A73DB4B@eetc.com>; from simeonuj@eetc.com on Mon, Apr 23, 2001 at 02:21:38PM -0500 References: <01C0CBEA.2485ACE0.eng@pinenet.com> <3AE480B0.4A73DB4B@eetc.com> Message-ID: <20010424141809.C25614@real-time.com> > I got about 4 Winterms and was wondering if it was possible to run them off > a linux box? Wyse Winterms? Tom Cross had one a couple of years ago. his had a ROM card of some sort that gave it a local copy of the linux kernel and a few other things. on the server you'd put a modified Slackware CD or something, which would give you other utilities. looked pretty cool; but compared to LTSP maybe not as cost-effective (even after adjusting for the electricity cost difference between a thin term and a full desktop acting as a client. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Tue Apr 24 14:19:57 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Good mice In-Reply-To: <20010424135640.B25614@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 01:56:40PM -0500 References: <20010424135640.B25614@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010424141957.D25614@real-time.com> > It's not a bad layout; but the lack of support for the heel of my > hand really kills my wrist. if it was 50% bigger, or at least longer; it > would rick. s/rick/rock/ /me is typing entirely too fast today. /me also bragged about being a good speller; so my subconscious is out to take me down a few notches as well. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Apr 24 14:22:46 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Inexpensive inland optical mouse from MicroCenter Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10988A@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> > they do. they rock. :) > Logitech Trackman Marble. don't leave home without it. :) I used to use these on all of my machines, however I just recently replaced them all with the Microsoft Trackball Opticals. 5 buttons + scrolly wheel, works great with Linux, and way more resolution and responsiveness than the Logitech. Works great for Q3 too. And the best part is that it's only $33 and not beige. http://www.us.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10255981&hdwt=30804&loc=14577 From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Tue Apr 24 14:30:17 2001 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Good mice In-Reply-To: <20010424135640.B25614@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 01:56:40PM -0500 References: <20010424135640.B25614@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010424143017.F16956@sorry.cs.umn.edu> > It's not a bad layout; but the lack of support for the heel of my > hand really kills my wrist. if it was 50% bigger, or at least longer; it > would rick. > I gave up on mice a while ago; because almost none of them support > the heel of your hand; so you're never at a comfortable, relaxed position. I > saw one once called the 'whale mouse'; which was big, and looked like it had > good thumb and heel support. www.humanscale.com (you'll need a browser which > supports Shocwave ;( ) unfortunately; they don't have a wheel on it. :( > The Logitech Cordless MouseMan Wheel http://www.logitech.com/cf/products/productoverview.cfm/52?43 has pretty good support. It's extra long due to the space it needs for the batteries. I really like this mouse for it's size and weight. It's nice to have a mouse that's a bit heavier. I _really_wish they made on with a laser. Their new cordless optical mouse is much smaller... :( Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Dear Dr. Stupid: Why do I have to go to school?" -- Announcer "Your parents are aliens!! While you're at school, they shed their human skins and breathe dryer lint!!" - Dr. Stupid in "Ask Dr. Stupid" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu Tue Apr 24 12:54:22 2001 From: lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu (Ben Luey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mandrake 8.0: wp8 fixed, scroll wheel died Message-ID: I got wordperfect running again. Wordperfect needs ld-linux.so.1 library, but mandrake 8.0 stops supporting it. The solution is to install the package ld.so-1.94.11-4mdk from mandrake 7.2 -- this overwrites ldconfig and gives a bunch of errors. Then install the pacakge ldconfig from mandrake 8.0 with the --force option so it will overright ld.so's old ldconfig. Now word perfect works! But now my scroll wheel doesn't work in wordperfect or in netscape. It works in Eterm and galeon and most gnome apps. Where / how does one configure scroll wheel for wordperfect and netscape? Thanks, Ben From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Apr 24 14:37:40 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Good mice In-Reply-To: <20010424143017.F16956@sorry.cs.umn.edu>; from dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu on Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 02:30:17PM -0500 References: <20010424135640.B25614@real-time.com> <20010424143017.F16956@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010424143740.J6314@ringworld.org> * dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu [010424 14:31]: > http://www.logitech.com/cf/products/productoverview.cfm/52?43 > > has pretty good support. It's extra long due to the space it needs for the I use this mouse at work and love it. I have the same corded-usb style one as optical at home. They both rock. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Since I can't access mine from work, I fund it in the acrhives in a message from Clay (: http://archives2.real- time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2000-September/002456.html -Yaron -- From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Tue Apr 24 14:59:51 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Good mice In-Reply-To: <20010424143017.F16956@sorry.cs.umn.edu> References: <20010424135640.B25614@real-time.com> <20010424143017.F16956@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010424145951.033fa741.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > > The Logitech Cordless MouseMan Wheel > > http://www.logitech.com/cf/products/productoverview.cfm/52?43 > > has pretty good support. It's extra long due to the space it needs for > the batteries. I really like this mouse for it's size and weight. It's > nice to have a mouse that's a bit heavier. I _really_wish they made on > with a laser. Their new cordless optical mouse is much smaller... :( Well, there's the Perfit Mouse that comes in a number of sizes, and is apparently pretty ergonomic, though it doesn't have a scroll wheel or optical. There's a little thing on the side that I mistook for scroll buttons at first, but it's just for holding your thumb there. I'd consider it a starting point, so I don't think I'd want to pay $90 for one.. http://www.contourdesign.com/perfit.htm -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ High score: 2,814,794,693 / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Your score: 26 \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From fertch at mninter.net Tue Apr 24 15:05:18 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: HDD's needed References: <20010424131151.A16503@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <3AE5DC7E.423446D7@mninter.net> Uhh, hmm. Not going to ask on the descriptive of this. But a location/city would be nice. Thanks. John Joseph Trammell wrote: > > Materials Processing has a metric assload of little (~1 Gb) drives. > > -- > [W]hen the manager knows his boss will accept status reports without > panic or preeemption, he comes to give honest appraisals. > - F. Brooks, _The Mythical Man-Month_ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From fertch at mninter.net Tue Apr 24 15:05:56 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Super Computer Sale (was OT: Hard drives) References: <3ae5b5b9.1e40.269167349@cloudnet.com> Message-ID: <3AE5DCA4.766A47A0@mninter.net> It's a no go for me then. I gotta work... Brian wrote: > > Unfortunately, everyone wants those little 1-2 GB drives > which is why they're hard to find and cost so much. On the > plus side thiough, the Super Computer Sale is going on this > weekend (27-29) at the State Fairgrounds. Get there Fri > morning when they open and load up on all the bargain hard > drives and misc parts. > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dhanson2 at uswest.net Tue Apr 24 15:13:40 2001 From: dhanson2 at uswest.net (Doug Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: HDD's needed References: <20010424131151.A16503@mn.rr.com> <3AE5DC7E.423446D7@mninter.net> Message-ID: <007c01c0ccfb$0e305500$eaaf7a81@doug> Materials Processing 2805 West Service Rd EAGAN MN 55121-1222 (651) 681-8099 Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shawn" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] OT: HDD's needed > Uhh, hmm. Not going to ask on the descriptive of this. But a > location/city would be nice. Thanks. > > > John Joseph Trammell wrote: > > > > Materials Processing has a metric assload of little (~1 Gb) drives. > > > > -- > > [W]hen the manager knows his boss will accept status reports without > > panic or preeemption, he comes to give honest appraisals. > > - F. Brooks, _The Mythical Man-Month_ > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jonathankl_2001 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 24 15:07:54 2001 From: jonathankl_2001 at yahoo.com (Jonathan Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: HDD's needed (MPC Loc) In-Reply-To: <3AE5DC7E.423446D7@mninter.net> Message-ID: <20010424200754.96135.qmail@web13403.mail.yahoo.com> Eagan, just off of 35W, South of the Airport. http://www.materialsprocessing.com/ Jonathan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From goldman at htc.honeywell.com Tue Apr 24 15:13:26 2001 From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cd ripping problems near final track In-Reply-To: <20010424134042.A10813@acm.cs.umn.edu> References: <20010424134042.A10813@acm.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <15077.56934.897444.289824@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> I believe, I have had this problem also, or a similar one. I've reproduced this problem not only with cdparanoia, but also cdda2wav. Interestingly, the problem seems to be related to the KIND of music. I have no trouble ripping various rock sorts of things, but *opera* CDs universally bog near the end of the track while ripping. I am not sure why this happens, but have found that if I'm patient enough (i.e., take an hour or two for a single CD), I get an ok rip. I posted to ask about this problem earlier, but got no responses. Best, Robert From andyp at agritech.com Tue Apr 24 15:19:49 2001 From: andyp at agritech.com (Andrew Porter) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] scsi tape or samba Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010424150244.00a85a40@smtp.agritech.com> Linux newbie question: what is the best way to find out if my tape drive problems are from samba or hardware? I get the following on the server console: smb_get_length: recv error=5 smb_request: result -5, setting invalid smb_retry: new pid=621, generation=2 (now up to gen=5) when I run the backup script, I get a different message: st0:Error with sense data:[valid=0] Info fld=0x0, deferred st09:00:Sense key medium error Additional sense indicates sequential positioning error st0: Error on write filemark st0:Error with sense data: Info fld=0x2800, current st09:00:Sense key medium error Thanks, Andy From chrome at real-time.com Tue Apr 24 15:39:40 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Good mice In-Reply-To: <20010424143017.F16956@sorry.cs.umn.edu>; from dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu on Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 02:30:17PM -0500 References: <20010424135640.B25614@real-time.com> <20010424143017.F16956@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010424153940.D30335@real-time.com> > The Logitech Cordless MouseMan Wheel > > http://www.logitech.com/cf/products/productoverview.cfm/52?43 > > has pretty good support. It's extra long due to the space it needs for the > batteries. I really like this mouse for it's size and weight. It's nice > to have a mouse that's a bit heavier. I _really_wish they made on with a > laser. Their new cordless optical mouse is much smaller... :( chewie's got one of these. they aren't bad; but for me, the arch is too high and it's still too short. from what I've seen; you get the least wrist strain if the back of your hand is in a straight line with your forearm. no wrist bend at all. my current setup here at work is to have the trackball on top of a manual about an inch high; then shim it up another few milimeters with a thin mousepad. my arm is angled up slightly from the armrest; but that keeps it in line with the back of my hand as it goes over the arch of the trackball. this keeps my wrist very relaxed when using the trackball; and also keeps the trackball at the same height as my keyboard. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From daniel_j_post at hotmail.com Tue Apr 24 15:46:08 2001 From: daniel_j_post at hotmail.com (Dan's Hotmail Account) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Summer jobs. References: <200104241952.f3OJqXL22885@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: hey, now! Some of us lurkers on the list are INTERESTED in those summer college linux jobs. Not mentioning any names (that's Daniel J. Post, 220 center Ave, Glenville, MN. daniel_j_post_nospamplease@hotmail.com. Five-Oh-Seven, Two-Oh-Two, Three-Three-Eight-Four. Yes, I am willing to relocate), but some people don't think it's fair to ask OT questions in a group, then not share the answers. :) Daniel J. From dutchman at uswest.net Tue Apr 24 15:42:26 2001 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] lba32 Message-ID: <3AE5E532.1E12171E@uswest.net> Greet the sun all: I was waiting for the rest of the lba32 thread and it kinda tailed off. How does one indicate lba32? Is the option part of installation (I have not done a RH 7.1 install yet)? If so, does it occur during disk partitioning or somewhere else in the installation process? I remember a question asked by the installation of RH 6.2 concerning lba but not lba32. I think I said no. Do I want to say yes? -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com From stauffer_james at yahoo.com Tue Apr 24 15:48:53 2001 From: stauffer_james at yahoo.com (James A. N. Stauffer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] lba32 In-Reply-To: <3AE5E532.1E12171E@uswest.net> Message-ID: <20010424204853.88414.qmail@web11506.mail.yahoo.com> I have used it as an option for booting the install: "text lba32" or "linux lba32" (I think) when you get the first screen where you can choose a text and/or expert install. --- Perry Hoekstra wrote: > Greet the sun all: > > I was waiting for the rest of the lba32 thread and it kinda tailed off. > How does one indicate lba32? Is the option part of installation (I have > not done a RH 7.1 install yet)? If so, does it occur during disk > partitioning or somewhere else in the installation process? I remember > a question asked by the installation of RH 6.2 concerning lba but not > lba32. I think I said no. Do I want to say yes? > > -- > Perry Hoekstra > E-Commerce Architect > Talent Software Services > perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ===== = o o o o o o o . . . __________________________ _____=======_||___ o _____ | James A. N. Stauffer | | Stauffer_James | .][__n_n_|DD[ ====____ | Spam food: uce@ftc.gov | | @yahoo.com | >(________|__|_[________]_|________________________|_|________________| _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o¬o¬o o¬o¬o` 'o¬o o¬o` __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Tue Apr 24 16:07:56 2001 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Summer jobs. Message-ID: TCLUG has a jobs list just for this purpose. You can submit your resume/qualifications/contact info to that list and possibly get a response before summer. You also get any job openings posted there so join and start your future today! >>> daniel_j_post@hotmail.com 04/24/01 03:46PM >>> hey, now! Some of us lurkers on the list are INTERESTED in those summer college linux jobs. Not mentioning any names (that's Daniel J. Post, 220 center Ave, Glenville, MN. daniel_j_post_nospamplease@hotmail.com. Five-Oh-Seven, Two-Oh-Two, Three-Three-Eight-Four. Yes, I am willing to relocate), but some people don't think it's fair to ask OT questions in a group, then not share the answers. :) Daniel J. _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From esper at sherohman.org Tue Apr 24 16:15:39 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Summer jobs. In-Reply-To: ; from Troy.A.Johnson@state.mn.us on Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 04:07:56PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010424161539.L5319@sherohman.org> On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 04:07:56PM -0500, Troy Johnson wrote: > TCLUG has a jobs list just for this purpose. You can submit your resume/qualifications/contact info to that list and possibly get a response before summer. You also get any job openings posted there so join and start your future today! Good commercials have traditionally identified what they're selling. Although I realize that car ads may not always follow that tradition, people seem more likely to subscribe to the tclug-jobs list if they know its name... -- That's not gibberish... It's Linux. - Byers, The Lone Gunmen Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From simeonuj at eetc.com Tue Apr 24 16:24:19 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] lba32 References: <3AE5E532.1E12171E@uswest.net> Message-ID: <3AE5EEC1.2BA03C7B@eetc.com> Perry Hoekstra wrote: > I was waiting for the rest of the lba32 thread and it kinda tailed off. > How does one indicate lba32? Is the option part of installation (I have > not done a RH 7.1 install yet)? If so, does it occur during disk > partitioning or somewhere else in the installation process? I remember > a question asked by the installation of RH 6.2 concerning lba but not > lba32. I think I said no. Do I want to say yes? Maybe it is LBA autodetection? Lowest common speed kinda thing? I beleive it can be specified in the lilo.conf file or at boot time. That is where mine is in my RH 7.1 install. Haven't used RH 6.2 on a IDE based system that could handle LBA. Only on SCSI and old, old x86. HTH, sim From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Tue Apr 24 16:20:21 2001 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Summer jobs. Message-ID: Sorry, I'm really not an ad man, and I don't think I could play one on television either. http://www.mn-linux.org/mailinglists/ >>> Troy.A.Johnson@state.mn.us 04/24/01 04:07PM >>> TCLUG has a jobs list just for this purpose. You can submit your resume/qualifications/contact info to that list and possibly get a response before summer. You also get any job openings posted there so join and start your future today! From administrator at ltiflex.com Tue Apr 24 16:25:11 2001 From: administrator at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Summer jobs. References: <20010424161539.L5319@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <3AE5EF37.1436A197@ltiflex.com> > Good commercials have traditionally identified what they're selling. > Although I realize that car ads may not always follow that tradition, > people seem more likely to subscribe to the tclug-jobs list if they know > its name... You're trying to make my head hurt aren't you? I'm just assuming so, cause it's easy enough to figure out that you go to: https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-jobs to subscribe. Then again, maybe everyone isn't as intimate with mailman as they should be. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Tue Apr 24 16:26:36 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Good mice In-Reply-To: <20010424153940.D30335@real-time.com> Message-ID: Bah, if god had meant for us to use mice, he wouldn't have given us emacs. :) -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Tue Apr 24 16:25:18 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cd ripping problems near final track In-Reply-To: <15077.56934.897444.289824@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Robert P. Goldman wrote: > Interestingly, the problem seems to be related to the KIND of music. > I have no trouble ripping various rock sorts of things, but *opera* > CDs universally bog near the end of the track while ripping. I am not > sure why this happens, but have found that if I'm patient enough > (i.e., take an hour or two for a single CD), I get an ok rip. One clue would be to look at the band near the center hole which contains information about the pressing plant. Are the discs with which you have trouble longer than 74 minutes? It's possible to make discs longer than 74 mins, and it is done, but I always advised clients that it was unwise. The tracking servos on players cannot be guaranteed to perform above spec, and you have to go to a tighter track pitch (though you'd think that would happen at the beginning not the end, since CD's track from inside to out.) It could also be some other types of physical problems -- alignment/stepper motor, or just plain dirt. Phil M -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From sgrobe at mn.rr.com Tue Apr 24 16:37:13 2001 From: sgrobe at mn.rr.com (Steve) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Summer jobs. References: <3AE5BC88.38519A7B@talkware.net> <3AE5C04B.E9091F16@talkware.net> Message-ID: <3AE5F209.F3A5324A@mn.rr.com> Don't be so hard on yourself. I know this is OT but, we may be looking for some guys/gals where I work. I will talk to the MIS manager (my primary boss) and the VP of Engineering (my secondary boss) and see if they are looking to hire any interns for the summer. Are your friends looking for software or hardware jobs? I can post to the group just in case anyone else has friends looking for work, unless someone has strong objections, or I can contact you off line. Either way maybe I can help someone out. SG, O.S.D. P.S. Yes, I work for both the IS/IT and Engineering departments about %50 each, so I have contacts in both departments. Great job, whenever I get sick of IS I can go play EMC Engineer for a week or two. ;-) Jason Jorgensen wrote: > > Last message. Sorry my bad. Didnt mean to send it to this list in the > first place. > > I am off to flog myself now. > > Jason Jorgensen wrote: > > > Several of my friends that go to college out of the cities have emailed > > me wondering if I know of any summer jobs open for college students. > > > > So if anyone knows of summer seasonal or internship type positions open > > in technical fields on the scale of a Tech 2 - Engineer 1 please email > > me off list. > > > > Thank you very much. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Tue Apr 24 16:38:03 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cd ripping problems near final track In-Reply-To: <15077.56934.897444.289824@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> References: <20010424134042.A10813@acm.cs.umn.edu> <15077.56934.897444.289824@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> Message-ID: <20010424163803.2451213d.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> "Robert P. Goldman" wrote: > > I believe, I have had this problem also, or a similar one. > > I've reproduced this problem not only with cdparanoia, but also > cdda2wav. > > Interestingly, the problem seems to be related to the KIND of music. Well, that would seem to point to the publisher/printer, though I don't know how you'd fix it.. You might be able to rig up something with the digital audio output port on the back of the CD-ROM drive.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ A lot of people are / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ afraid of heights. Not \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) me, I'm afraid of widths. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From esper at sherohman.org Tue Apr 24 16:39:56 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Inexpensive inland optical mouse from MicroCenter In-Reply-To: <20010424134955.A25614@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com Message-ID: <20010424163956.N5319@sherohman.org> on Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 01:49:55PM -0500 On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 01:49:55PM -0500, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > Now if they'd just start making a Trackman Optical. Although I'm not really > > that sure about how you'd do a trackball without a ball... > > they do. they rock. :) > Logitech Trackman Marble. don't leave home without it. :) No, no, no... I use Trackman Marbles. I have... 3? 4? of them, including one in the bag for my laptop. But they still need to be cleaned - gunk accumulates on the contact points and makes the ball stick. (It still tracks just as well when it moves, but moving it can be tricky.) -- That's not gibberish... It's Linux. - Byers, The Lone Gunmen Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From esper at sherohman.org Tue Apr 24 16:42:18 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Summer jobs. In-Reply-To: <3AE5EF37.1436A197@ltiflex.com>; from administrator@ltiflex.com on Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 04:25:11PM -0500 References: <20010424161539.L5319@sherohman.org> <3AE5EF37.1436A197@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <20010424164218.O5319@sherohman.org> On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 04:25:11PM -0500, Andy Zbikowski wrote: > > Good commercials have traditionally identified what they're selling. > > Although I realize that car ads may not always follow that tradition, > > people seem more likely to subscribe to the tclug-jobs list if they know > > its name... > > You're trying to make my head hurt aren't you? I'm just assuming so, cause > it's easy enough to figure out that you go to: > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-jobs > to subscribe. Right, but the original message just said that tclug has a jobs list. Its name (tclug-jobs) wasn't mentioned. > Then again, maybe everyone isn't as intimate with mailman as > they should be. Quite true. -- That's not gibberish... It's Linux. - Byers, The Lone Gunmen Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com Tue Apr 24 16:42:32 2001 From: RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Stripping attachments in email Message-ID: <8794B3B640FED2118D8600C00D0020A593F35D@ipserver2.interplastic.com> Hey all, I am looking into mta to front end our exchange server to the internet. The reason being is I want to strip attachments based on file extension. The goal is to cut down on some O.T.D.s - outlook transmitted diseases. My intention is to send .exe, .js, .vbs and maybe others to the bit bucket and forward the rest of the message to exchange to divvy out to the rest of our internal network. Qmail has a scanner available to do just that. Is that the way to go, or is it possible with Sendmail. I am not all that familiar with either one and have heard Sendmail can be a beeyotch, but I go forward with an open mind. Any suggestions appreciated. Thanks, Ryan Ware From ben at nerp.net Tue Apr 24 16:59:20 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Stripping attachments in email In-Reply-To: <8794B3B640FED2118D8600C00D0020A593F35D@ipserver2.interplastic.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I know a couple people who have used sendmail (the one true mailer) (waits for scott to say something about postfix) to do more than just filter the filenames, but to actualy run a virus scanner of some kind (mcaffe for linux) to scan for windows virii in all attachments. I will post the info, as soon as I remember it. :) Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Ryan Ware wrote: > > Hey all, > > I am looking into mta to front end our exchange server to the internet. The > reason being is I want to strip attachments based on file extension. The > goal is to cut down on some O.T.D.s - outlook transmitted diseases. My > intention is to send .exe, .js, .vbs and maybe others to the bit bucket and > forward the rest of the message to exchange to divvy out to the rest of our > internal network. > > Qmail has a scanner available to do just that. Is that the way to go, or is > it possible with Sendmail. I am not all that familiar with either one and > have heard Sendmail can be a beeyotch, but I go forward with an open mind. > Any suggestions appreciated. > > > Thanks, > > Ryan Ware > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBOuX3OstpDhsSpvgtAQH+JAP/Q4Xp0K8qa7qEcwCph4RkMbdpurkkjbnw xp4TTl67bAf40F5peGMQDpaDZ+TKidgkV9eeNalnQMrTvdb3yKTPjzal9Dhx+iuX 7B864Gb7me44U5cYrp5YcaOWsa2oZTjtu08imD9OXucMQ0jr5o5Ex25S/pWtuGry DzecFJrL9cQ= =ooMA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Apr 24 16:59:51 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Stripping attachments in email In-Reply-To: <8794B3B640FED2118D8600C00D0020A593F35D@ipserver2.interplastic.com>; from RWare@INTERPLASTIC.com on Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 04:42:32PM -0500 References: <8794B3B640FED2118D8600C00D0020A593F35D@ipserver2.interplastic.com> Message-ID: <20010424165950.K6314@ringworld.org> * Ryan Ware [010424 16:50]: > Qmail has a scanner available to do just that. Is that the way to go, or is > it possible with Sendmail. I am not all that familiar with either one and I use postfix with procmail, you could probally use it to do what you want. Its really personal prefrence, do what works right. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010424/e277a888/attachment.pgp From sgrobe at mn.rr.com Tue Apr 24 17:01:44 2001 From: sgrobe at mn.rr.com (Steve) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Summer jobs. References: <20010424161539.L5319@sherohman.org> <3AE5EF37.1436A197@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <3AE5F7C8.1E0206D5@mn.rr.com> Andy Zbikowski wrote: > > > Good commercials have traditionally identified what they're selling. > > Although I realize that car ads may not always follow that tradition, > > people seem more likely to subscribe to the tclug-jobs list if they know > > its name... > > You're trying to make my head hurt aren't you? I'm just assuming so, cause > it's easy enough to figure out that you go to: > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-jobs > to subscribe. Then again, maybe everyone isn't as intimate with mailman as > they should be. Intimate? Mailman? Let's leave my parents out of it. I found it here http://www.mn-linux.org/mailinglists/ But I am pretty good with a web browser. :-P SG, O.S.D. --Find something to laugh at everyday, most days all I have to do is look in a mirror.-- > > -- > Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com > LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 > 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 > Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From andy at theasis.com Tue Apr 24 17:05:24 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Summer jobs. In-Reply-To: <3AE5EF37.1436A197@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-jobs > to subscribe. Then again, maybe everyone isn't as intimate with mailman as > they should be. You think everyone should be intimate with the mailman? I am dubious. Andy > -- > Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com From chrome at real-time.com Tue Apr 24 17:21:15 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Amanda In-Reply-To: <20010420141830.A12581@localhost>; from thudak@sistina.com on Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 02:18:30PM -0500 References: <200104142105.f3EL5Kt26316@sprite.real-time.com> <20010420141830.A12581@localhost> Message-ID: <20010424172115.D12730@real-time.com> > >I know someone -- I think Carl Soderstrom -- was mucking with Amanda. I > >need to get it up and running. It seems straight forward, but I was > >wondering if anyone had a suggestion as to things to watch for. What are > >the tricky bits? hmm, I didn't see the original post for some reason. sorry about the slow followup. :) I've written some rough documentation about HOWTO and pitfalls with AMANDA; you're welcome to it, if you can make heads or tails of it. :) (mostly it's just a collection of notes. about the same crap as you see in the faq-o-matic.) amanda is one of those things you just have to wrestle with for some time, before you get a handle on it. the amanda faq-o-matic at amana.sourceforge.net is pretty helpful. I usually end up using google to search it, tho. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From jethro at yaron.org Tue Apr 24 17:24:50 2001 From: jethro at yaron.org (jethro@yaron.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian/SID refuses to upgrade to X4.0.x Message-ID: <988151090.3ae5fd32a4d86@dragon> Hey, Ok, this debian box is refusing to upgrade to X 4.x. It's still stuck on 3.3.6. I'm using sid, with the same apt.sources as other mahcines which HAVE updated themselves... what gives? Whats the package name, anyway? It keep ssaying xserver/xserver-common/xcontrib etc are uptodate... -Yaron -- From sgrobe at mn.rr.com Tue Apr 24 18:19:14 2001 From: sgrobe at mn.rr.com (Steve) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Stripping attachments in email References: <8794B3B640FED2118D8600C00D0020A593F35D@ipserver2.interplastic.com> Message-ID: <3AE609F2.B82858ED@mn.rr.com> I don't know how many clients you have or what version of outlook you are running but the outlook security patch works well. We installed it at work months ago and haven't had any complaints. I think both Panda software and Network Associates (McAfee) have software that will run on an Exchange server that will block/scan attachments also. (Too bad you gotta pay for 'em.) How to do it with a linux box I don't know, but I haven't seen any viri on this list for a few days. http://office.microsoft.com/downloaddetails/Out98sec.htm Haven't had a virus outbreak since. SG, O.S.D. Ryan Ware wrote: > > Hey all, > > I am looking into mta to front end our exchange server to the internet. The > reason being is I want to strip attachments based on file extension. The > goal is to cut down on some O.T.D.s - outlook transmitted diseases. My > intention is to send .exe, .js, .vbs and maybe others to the bit bucket and > forward the rest of the message to exchange to divvy out to the rest of our > internal network. > > Qmail has a scanner available to do just that. Is that the way to go, or is > it possible with Sendmail. I am not all that familiar with either one and > have heard Sendmail can be a beeyotch, but I go forward with an open mind. > Any suggestions appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Ryan Ware > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From J_Dabrowski at usinternet.com Tue Apr 24 20:13:55 2001 From: J_Dabrowski at usinternet.com (Jon Dabrowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installing Slackware 7 on PS/2 Message-ID: <3AE624D2.8FF3B03F@usinternet.com> I am trying to install Slackware 7 on an IBM PS/2 model 6384 I am having problems configuring X and multiple NICs. I believe the video card is a S3 86C801/805. when I setup X with the S3 Chipset and any of the 801/805 modules when I start X the screen goes black and ctrl + alt + del and ctrl + alt + backspace wont bring it back I have to do a hard reboot. I cant find anything to configure multiple NICs my network card are eth0 irq10 io 300 SMC NE 2000 eth1 irq4 io 240H SMC etherEZ eth2 irq5 io 320 SMC etherEZ Here is some more info. IBM PS/2 6384-M70 486x33MHz 32MB Ram Adaptec AHA-1522A SCSI Controller 2 SMC EtherEZ NICs 1 SMC not sure what type but the ne module works with it. Any help would be appreciated. Jon Dabrowski From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Tue Apr 24 20:23:06 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Summer jobs. In-Reply-To: <3AE5F7C8.1E0206D5@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Steve wrote: > Intimate? Mailman? Let's leave my parents out of it. Your dad is Karl Malone? -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From aton at skyenet.net Tue Apr 24 21:30:21 2001 From: aton at skyenet.net (Aton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MS Outlook 2000 Message-ID: <200104250228.f3P2SZQ07245@pop.skyenet.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010424/f810740c/attachment.htm From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Apr 25 00:40:15 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MS Outlook 2000 Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10988C@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> As someone mentioned before, HP OpenMail is discontinued. They will continue to support it for the next 5 years. However, I think that means they will continue to support current installations only, I don't even think you can get it anymore. Jay -----Original Message----- From: Aton [mailto:aton@skyenet.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 9:30 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] MS Outlook 2000 >>>>>> "ja" == Austad, Jay writes: >ja> The only other real alternative to Exchange is Lotus Notes which >ja> can run on Solaris. >Bynari has been selling something called TradeServer (now called >Insight Server, I guess) that claims to be 100% (or damn close) >compatible with Exchange. (Probably not Exchange 2K, though.) Runs >on Linux/x86 and Solaris/SPARC platforms. >See http://www.bynari.net/ for more info. I know little about it, >aside from LinuxPR announcements a while back. >-Scott www.openmail.com HP makes it, and we are running it at our office.. And the best thing - its free for 50 users or less. _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010425/c8c5cc96/attachment.html From cschumann at twp-llc.com Wed Apr 25 07:05:14 2001 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: FreeGeek References: <200104241701.f3OH1PL17296@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <004501c0cd7f$fc95f2c0$0100a8c0@homey> My two cents... There is or was an organization in town that housed, recycled, repaired, kobbled and donated computers in town already. Its name is/was Dragnet, but it was VERY badly organized. It seems to be gone now. There are at least two national organizations that do this, and they should be asked for help and perhaps franchising, because they bring a recognized name and marketing experience, so they can get storage space, more hardware, and let people know who to ask for a free computer. Chris Schumann From stauffer_james at yahoo.com Wed Apr 25 07:12:24 2001 From: stauffer_james at yahoo.com (James A. N. Stauffer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: FreeGeek In-Reply-To: <004501c0cd7f$fc95f2c0$0100a8c0@homey> Message-ID: <20010425121224.56363.qmail@web11506.mail.yahoo.com> --- Chris Schumann wrote: > There are at least two national organizations that do > this, and they should be asked for help and perhaps > franchising, because they bring a recognized name and > marketing experience, so they can get storage space, > more hardware, and let people know who to ask for a free > computer. What are the names of those two organizations? ===== = o o o o o o o . . . __________________________ _____=======_||___ o _____ | James A. N. Stauffer | | Stauffer_James | .][__n_n_|DD[ ====____ | Spam food: uce@ftc.gov | | @yahoo.com | >(________|__|_[________]_|________________________|_|________________| _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o¬o¬o o¬o¬o` 'o¬o o¬o` __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com Wed Apr 25 07:42:11 2001 From: RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Stripping attachments in email Message-ID: <8794B3B640FED2118D8600C00D0020A593F360@ipserver2.interplastic.com> > Thanks for the suggestions. Here is a link to the qmail scanner. You > can run it alone or with a third party antivirus software. I'll do a > little research, but the qmail looks pretty slick. > http://qmail-scanner.sourceforge.net/ Ryan Ware From BTimm at Interelate.com Wed Apr 25 07:56:47 2001 From: BTimm at Interelate.com (Brad Timm) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: FreeGeek Message-ID: I believe one of them is the National Christina foundataion. I cannot remeber the other,,, Anyone From: James A. N. Stauffer [mailto:stauffer_james@yahoo.com] Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Re: FreeGeek James A. N. Stauffer wrote What are the names of those two organizations? From dutchman at uswest.net Wed Apr 25 09:25:13 2001 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mouse configuration problem Message-ID: <3AE6DE49.7C0063C6@uswest.net> Greet the sun all: I finally was able to install RH 7.1 on my laptop last night (Compaq Armada E500). However, I was having problem with the screen resolution, so I decided to rerun Xconfigurator. However, I receive the following error: /usr/bin/mouseconfig: line 5 unexpected in /etc/sysconfig/mouse The file looks like this: MOUSETYPE="ps/2" XMOUSETYPE="PS/2" FULLNAME="GENERIC MOUSE (USB)" XEMU3=no DEVICE=/dev/mouse Ideas on what Xconfigurator hates? -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com From andy at theasis.com Wed Apr 25 09:35:19 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mouse configuration problem In-Reply-To: <3AE6DE49.7C0063C6@uswest.net> Message-ID: My /etc/sysconfig/mouse (Sony Vaio) has only: FULLNAME="ALPS - GlidePoint (PS/2)" MOUSETYPE="ps/2" XEMU3="yes" XMOUSETYPE="GlidePointPS/2" Try removing the DEVICE line, which appears to be line 5. Also check Ken Harker's page at www.linux-laptop.net for your particular laptop model. There may be useful tips. Andy On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, Perry Hoekstra wrote: > Greet the sun all: > > I finally was able to install RH 7.1 on my laptop last night (Compaq > Armada E500). However, I was having problem with the screen resolution, > so I decided to rerun Xconfigurator. However, I receive the following > error: > > /usr/bin/mouseconfig: line 5 unexpected in /etc/sysconfig/mouse > > The file looks like this: > > MOUSETYPE="ps/2" > XMOUSETYPE="PS/2" > FULLNAME="GENERIC MOUSE (USB)" > XEMU3=no > DEVICE=/dev/mouse > > Ideas on what Xconfigurator hates? > > From lxy at cloudnet.com Wed Apr 25 09:42:25 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] lba32 Message-ID: <3ae6e251.5ce9.269167349@cloudnet.com> (I have > > not done a RH 7.1 install yet)? My system here at work has a MASSIVE hard drive and I've always had LILO problems. I installed RH7.1, expecting to use a boot disk, and LILO actually worked. I think Redhat looks at your partition table and decides the best options for LILO. It's probably in lilo.conf (although I didn't look because I dind't care, it worked!) but by the looks of it the RH 7.1 install will do it all for you. Good luck! From dutchman at uswest.net Wed Apr 25 09:51:53 2001 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] lba32 References: <3ae6e251.5ce9.269167349@cloudnet.com> Message-ID: <3AE6E489.23BC4AB2@uswest.net> Yes, it did detect that I was installing above the 1024 limit and that the laptop's bios could handle it. Brian wrote: > > (I have > > > not done a RH 7.1 install yet)? > > My system here at work has a MASSIVE hard drive and I've > always had LILO problems. I installed RH7.1, expecting to > use a boot disk, and LILO actually worked. I think Redhat > looks at your partition table and decides the best options > for LILO. It's probably in lilo.conf (although I didn't > look > because I dind't care, it worked!) but by the looks of it > the > RH 7.1 install will do it all for you. > > Good luck! > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com From rseymour at anarchysoftware.com Wed Apr 25 10:11:07 2001 From: rseymour at anarchysoftware.com (Richard Seymour) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: FreeGeek In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well, I'm still interested in meeting with folks, just to talk about FreeGeek itself (the organization in Portland, OR). All Linux. Getting computer into the hands of people who don't have them. Showing newbies how to use Linux. Keeping high tech waste out of the landfill. Etc. What do yo folks think? Is there some time we can get together over beer or whatever? -- Richard Seymour, Anarchy Software, Inc. rseymour@anarchysoftware.com The opinions expressed are those of my employer, not my own. From dcsherman at qwest.net Wed Apr 25 10:50:05 2001 From: dcsherman at qwest.net (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: FreeGeek In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01042510500500.06835@dedannshae.thuria.org> I missed the early part of this thread, but it sounds very interesting. I'd love to at least talk further about the project. Dave Sherman On Wednesday 25 April 2001 10:11, thus spake Richard Seymour: > Well, I'm still interested in meeting with folks, just to talk about > FreeGeek itself (the organization in Portland, OR). All Linux. Getting > computer into the hands of people who don't have them. Showing newbies > how to use Linux. Keeping high tech waste out of the landfill. Etc. > > What do yo folks think? Is there some time we can get together over beer > or whatever? > > > -- > Richard Seymour, Anarchy Software, Inc. > rseymour@anarchysoftware.com > > The opinions expressed are those of my employer, not my own. > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rseymour at anarchysoftware.com Wed Apr 25 11:04:48 2001 From: rseymour at anarchysoftware.com (Richard Seymour) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: FreeGeek In-Reply-To: <01042510500500.06835@dedannshae.thuria.org> Message-ID: My schedule limitation for any time we set up are: In town May 3-17 Unavailable Fri, May 4 (evening) Unavailable Sun, May 6 (all day) Unavailable Fri, May 11 (evening) Didn't I read something about weeklye beer meetings? -- Richard Seymour, Anarchy Software, Inc. rseymour@anarchysoftware.com The opinions expressed are those of my employer, not my own. From jurick at abagency.com Wed Apr 25 11:09:59 2001 From: jurick at abagency.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: FreeGeek In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The beer meetings are bi-weekly. It hasn't been changed on the website yet. There will be a beer meeting on the 10th, however. > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Richard Seymour > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 11:05 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Re: FreeGeek > > > My schedule limitation for any time we set up are: > > In town May 3-17 > Unavailable Fri, May 4 (evening) > Unavailable Sun, May 6 (all day) > Unavailable Fri, May 11 (evening) > > Didn't I read something about weeklye beer meetings? > > -- > Richard Seymour, Anarchy Software, Inc. > rseymour@anarchysoftware.com > > The opinions expressed are those of my employer, not my own. > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Apr 25 11:16:59 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Stripping attachments in email In-Reply-To: <8794B3B640FED2118D8600C00D0020A593F360@ipserver2.interplastic.com>; from RWare@INTERPLASTIC.com on Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 07:42:11AM -0500 References: <8794B3B640FED2118D8600C00D0020A593F360@ipserver2.interplastic.com> Message-ID: <20010425111659.O6314@ringworld.org> * Ryan Ware [010425 07:46]: > > little research, but the qmail looks pretty slick. Beware the license. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010425/2da50513/attachment.pgp From natecars at real-time.com Wed Apr 25 11:17:01 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help Required on %post In-Reply-To: <000c01c78753$2e94fda0$0119430a@india.ensim.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 25 Apr 2007, Ankush wrote: > I am trying to install an RPM in the %post script of a spec file. But > on doing so it gives me an "exclusive lock on database" error. If you > have come across this problem before please send me a mail at your > latest. Also if you have any idea of how to "rpm -ivh --nodeps file>" without installing the rpm, but from the build itself, please > let me know. Are you trying to do it as root? Are you installing another RPM right now? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From lxy at cloudnet.com Wed Apr 25 11:33:55 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: FreeGeek Message-ID: <3ae6fc73.3023.269167349@cloudnet.com> > The beer meetings are bi-weekly. It hasn't been changed on > the website yet. > > There will be a beer meeting on the 10th, however. Speaking of which, is there one tomorrow night? From RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com Wed Apr 25 11:39:06 2001 From: RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Stripping attachments in email Message-ID: <8794B3B640FED2118D8600C00D0020A593F368@ipserver2.interplastic.com> The scanner is GNU, can't find much of a license on qmail itself, other than it is free to use an distribute. Am I missing something? > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Dier [SMTP:dieman+tclug@ringworld.org] > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 11:17 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Stripping attachments in email > > * Ryan Ware [010425 07:46]: > > > little research, but the qmail looks pretty slick. > > Beware the license. > > -- > Scott Dier > http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net > > So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant From simeonuj at eetc.com Wed Apr 25 11:44:24 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PCMCIA and 2.2.19 Message-ID: <3AE6FECF.C2A0E4A8@eetc.com> I am trying to upgrade my RH 6.2 install w/ kernel 2.2.14-5.0 to kernel 2.2.19. The problem is that there are now pcmcia drivers or even options in the downloaded files from kernel.org. No pcmcia. What happend to it? Where do I get it? I would use the rpm from redhat but that requires rpm version 4.0 or higher and I haven't figured out how to install rpm version 4 yet. Bad dependencies and no way to upgrade except compile because all the new packages need rpm version 4. This is getting pretty painful. I also tried to install/upgrade RH 7.1 on my laptop. It is an old laptop. IBM 755CE w/ 486 DX4 100Mhz processor. I have 24MB of ram. The install says that is not enough. Crap. Where is the pcmcia stuff for the kernel. Do I have to get these from RH? sim From esper at sherohman.org Wed Apr 25 11:52:20 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Stripping attachments in email In-Reply-To: <8794B3B640FED2118D8600C00D0020A593F368@ipserver2.interplastic.com>; from RWare@INTERPLASTIC.com on Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 11:39:06AM -0500 References: <8794B3B640FED2118D8600C00D0020A593F368@ipserver2.interplastic.com> Message-ID: <20010425115220.C6240@sherohman.org> On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 11:39:06AM -0500, Ryan Ware wrote: > The scanner is GNU, can't find much of a license on qmail itself, other than > it is free to use an distribute. Am I missing something? You're not allowed to distribute modified binaries of qmail. If you make a change, it won't be available to anyone else unless either that someone else is willing to compile from source or DJB makes it part of the official version. Forking is right out. -- That's not gibberish... It's Linux. - Byers, The Lone Gunmen Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From administrator at ltiflex.com Wed Apr 25 11:53:53 2001 From: administrator at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Stripping attachments in email References: <8794B3B640FED2118D8600C00D0020A593F368@ipserver2.interplastic.com> Message-ID: <3AE70121.227093C@ltiflex.com> http://www.amavis.org/ Can be setup with sendmail, postfix, etc. to automatically scan e-mail attachments. I think they only support Sophos antivirus, but I could be wrong. I tred Sophos and was impressed, but they never got back to me when I requested a quote. Search freshmeat for antivirus for other soultions. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From administrator at ltiflex.com Wed Apr 25 12:05:05 2001 From: administrator at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PCMCIA and 2.2.19 References: <3AE6FECF.C2A0E4A8@eetc.com> Message-ID: <3AE703C1.A7A91BBC@ltiflex.com> PCMCIA drivers are a seperate package. The drivers and user tools can be obtained from http://pcmcia-cs.sourceforge.net/ 2.4.0 (and up) brings the pcmcia drivers into the kernel, but you still need the pcmcia-cs package. (for the user tools) See http://pcmcia-cs.sourceforge.net/ftp/README-2.4 for more details on that. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From jacque at fruitioninc.com Wed Apr 25 12:03:08 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting Tomorrow the 26th! Message-ID: Yes, TCLUGies, there is a Beermeeting tomorrow! We're meeting at Barley John's BrewPub in New Brighton. I discovered it on a pub crawl over the weekend.(I did for you, valued TCLUGies) They have a smokey wild rice beer called "wild brunette". Its tasty. They have other yummy stuff too, like the Lindeman's (i think) Framboise Lambic. The whole place is smoke-free, so now you can drink and not have to deal with the second-hand coolness of second-hand smoke. ;o) Here's the details: http://www.mn-linux.org/beermeeting/ See you there! Jacque From jacque at fruitioninc.com Wed Apr 25 12:03:08 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beer Meeting Tomorrow the 26th! Message-ID: Yes, TCLUGies, there is a Beermeeting tomorrow! We're meeting at Barley John's BrewPub in New Brighton. I discovered it on a pub crawl over the weekend.(I did for you, valued TCLUGies) They have a smokey wild rice beer called "wild brunette". Its tasty. They have other yummy stuff too, like the Lindeman's (i think) Framboise Lambic. The whole place is smoke-free, so now you can drink and not have to deal with the second-hand coolness of second-hand smoke. ;o) Here's the details: http://www.mn-linux.org/beermeeting/ See you there! Jacque _______________________________________________ tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From fertch at mninter.net Wed Apr 25 12:29:08 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New FTP for Slackware, close to beta freeze Message-ID: <3AE70964.36041BF3@mninter.net> Just saw this on Slackware's homepage dated as of yesterday 4/24/2001: New Primary FTP Server / Slackware-current Updates ftp.slackware.com has moved! Our friends at SourceForge have provided us with space and accounts to use as the new ftp.slackware.com. This should mean better access times, better availability, and rsync access! Everything will still be in the same place: latest release in ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware/ -current in ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-current/ rsync users, the ftp.slackware.com::slackware module is the FTP site's /pub/slackware/ There is also another batch of updates to slackware-current, the ongoing development branch. The changes are mostly rearrangements of existing packages, but there's also a major Samba update. We're getting closer to a beta freeze... Coolness! Shawn From dhadley at visi.com Wed Apr 25 12:34:29 2001 From: dhadley at visi.com (David Hadley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Vitual Hosting Message-ID: <001301c0cdad$fb718110$06472ad0@dhadleyhost6> I have an associate whom I am helping. He wants a Linux machine to host multiple web sites. He also wants to have N number of email accounts associated with each domain. He requires that name@firstdomain be a different account than name@seconddomain so that he can offer overlapping names to people on different domains. I have chosen Debian Linux. I installed Apache and followed directions at http://httpd.apache.org/docs/vhosts/name-based.html on how to set up the site for virtual hosting. I added something like this example: NameVirtualHost 111.22.33.44 ServerName www.firstdomain.com DocumentRoot /www/firstdomain ServerName www.seconddomain.com DocumentRoot /www/seconddomain Then I installed zmailer and edited the fqdnaliases file like this: webmaster@firstdomain.com: webmaster_first@firsdomain.com webmaster@seconddomain.com: webmaster_second@firstdomain.com Then I pointed both dns records to the same ip and pointed both mx records to that machine as well. Everything seems to work. I have a difference between the email address and the login name but that seems trivial. My question is this. Have I done anything badly? And if everything is o.k. is there a more standard solution that I am missing. From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Wed Apr 25 12:47:30 2001 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting Tomorrow the 26th! In-Reply-To: ; from jacque@fruitioninc.com on Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 12:03:08PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010425124730.A19235@sorry.cs.umn.edu> On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 12:03:08PM -0500, Jacqueline Urick wrote: > Yes, TCLUGies, there is a Beermeeting tomorrow! > > We're meeting at Barley John's BrewPub in New Brighton. I discovered it on a > pub crawl over the weekend.(I did for you, valued TCLUGies) They have a > smokey wild rice beer called "wild brunette". Its tasty. They have other > yummy stuff too, like the Lindeman's (i think) Framboise Lambic. The whole > place is smoke-free, so now you can drink and not have to deal with the > second-hand coolness of second-hand smoke. ;o) A lambic? I didn't know there were any bars around here that actually served them... Yummy... That might actually get me out to my first TCLUG Beersitzung :) Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Ooo-eeee-Ooooo, Killer Tofu!" - The Beats "Killer Tofu" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Wed Apr 25 12:49:56 2001 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] demime! Message-ID: <20010425124956.B19235@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Just got this on OpenBSD announce list. Anyway we can employ this for the list? Gabe ----- Forwarded message from "Todd C. Miller" ----- To: announce@openbsd.org Subject: MIME is now being removed from the mailing lists Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 11:10:00 -0600 From: "Todd C. Miller" Precedence: bulk X-Loop: announce@openbsd.org We are now using the demime program (http://scifi.squawk.com/demime.html) to convert MIME messages sent to the mailing lists into plain text. Things that cannot be converted (e.g. attachments) will be stripped. See the demime web site for the gory details. I know this may perturb some people but it seems to be in line with what most people want (and it makes mailing list archives more readable). It also protects the lists from viruses list the one recently posted on the misc list. If you must send binaries, there is always uuencode though we would *much* prefer that folks include a URL so as not to burden everyone on the list with a binary they probably don't want or need. The following OpenBSD mailing lists are now being de-MIMEd: ipv6, elf, mac68k, misc, ppc, romp, smp, tech, www, sparc, vax, x11, advocacy, hppa, alpha - todd ----- End forwarded message ----- -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Ooo-eeee-Ooooo, Killer Tofu!" - The Beats "Killer Tofu" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Apr 25 12:55:35 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] demime! In-Reply-To: <20010425124956.B19235@sorry.cs.umn.edu>; from dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu on Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 12:49:56PM -0500 References: <20010425124956.B19235@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010425125535.Q6314@ringworld.org> * dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu [010425 12:52]: > Just got this on OpenBSD announce list. Anyway we can employ this for the > list? I vote a 'yes' for this too. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(: -Yaron -- From kethry at winternet.com Wed Apr 25 13:09:05 2001 From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:53 2005 Subject: OT!!! Re: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting Tomorrow the 26th! In-Reply-To: <20010425124730.A19235@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: > > yummy stuff too, like the Lindeman's (i think) Framboise Lambic. The whole > > place is smoke-free, so now you can drink and not have to deal with the > > second-hand coolness of second-hand smoke. ;o) > > A lambic? I didn't know there were any bars around here that actually > served them... Yummy... That might actually get me out to my first TCLUG > Beersitzung :) Oh, and if you've never tried Lindeman's...mmmm...it's absolutely delicious! You're right - this may actually get me to the first TCLUG Beer Meet ;)...Just come prepared with money on this one if you want more than one - Lindeman's is usually $6.00 minimum per 12 oz bottle...or at least that's what it was down at the Heorot in Muncie, and what we currently can get it for at a few select liquor stores in the Twin Cities. Liz Burke-Scovill -- Imagination is intelligence having fun... e-mail: kethry@winternet.com URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Wed Apr 25 13:16:20 2001 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting Tomorrow the 26th! In-Reply-To: <988221613.3ae710ad2691f@dragon>; from jethro@yaron.org on Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 01:00:13PM -0500 References: <988221613.3ae710ad2691f@dragon> Message-ID: <20010425131620.C19235@sorry.cs.umn.edu> > Is any of that food? (: > > -Yaron No, a lambic is a fruit-based beer, IIRC. The interesting thing about them (other than them being made from fruit) is they're brewed in open-air casks and they're fermented with spores from some weird plant. So, they build the breweries in the middle of fields where they grow the plant. I could be completely confusing a lambic with something else altogether, however :) Can anyone confirm that what I'm saying is true? Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Ooo-eeee-Ooooo, Killer Tofu!" - The Beats "Killer Tofu" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jamie_seeman at securecomputing.com Wed Apr 25 13:26:27 2001 From: jamie_seeman at securecomputing.com (Jamie Seeman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting Tomorrow the 26th! References: <988221613.3ae710ad2691f@dragon> <20010425131620.C19235@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3AE716D3.58CB1DA6@securecomputing.com> From andy at theasis.com Wed Apr 25 13:25:55 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Lambic In-Reply-To: <20010425131620.C19235@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: > > No, a lambic is a fruit-based beer, IIRC. The interesting thing about them It's supposedly only Belgian, uses wild yeast and aged hops, and is sour in taste. > Can anyone confirm that what I'm saying is true? See http://hbd.org/brewery/library/LambicFAQ.html Andy > > Gabe > > From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Wed Apr 25 13:28:17 2001 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Way OT: Biersitzung In-Reply-To: <20010425131620.C19235@sorry.cs.umn.edu>; from dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu on Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 01:16:20PM -0500 References: <988221613.3ae710ad2691f@dragon> <20010425131620.C19235@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010425132817.D19235@sorry.cs.umn.edu> > No, a lambic is a fruit-based beer, IIRC. The interesting thing about them > (other than them being made from fruit) is they're brewed in open-air casks > and they're fermented with spores from some weird plant. So, they build > the breweries in the middle of fields where they grow the plant. I could > be completely confusing a lambic with something else altogether, however :) > > Can anyone confirm that what I'm saying is true? > Actually, a quick search on google reveals that, when I said it was brewed from fruit, I was specifically speaking of a kriek lambic. AFAIK, though, lambics are fermented from the spores of some plant. Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Ooo-eeee-Ooooo, Killer Tofu!" - The Beats "Killer Tofu" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jethro at yaron.org Wed Apr 25 13:46:37 2001 From: jethro at yaron.org (jethro@yaron.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting Tomorrow the 26th! In-Reply-To: <3AE716D3.58CB1DA6@securecomputing.com> References: <988221613.3ae710ad2691f@dragon> <20010425131620.C19235@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <3AE716D3.58CB1DA6@securecomputing.com> Message-ID: <988224397.3ae71b8ddf18b@dragon> Hi, Quoting Jamie Seeman : > From what I'm told there is food there, but the beer is the real reason > to go to this place. The food is par, nothing to write home about. Actually I was thinking meeting other LUGgies was the real reason - some of us don't drink, but could go for a round of chips. Er, fries. -Yaron -- From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Apr 25 13:52:59 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Lambic Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109893@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> > It's supposedly only Belgian, uses wild yeast and aged hops, > and is sour > in taste. I had something like this at New French Bar a couple weeks ago. Belgian, raspberry, but I forgot the name. Was it Lindeman's? Very tasty stuff, expensive though, around $9 a bottle. Jay From administrator at ltiflex.com Wed Apr 25 13:57:00 2001 From: administrator at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] demime! References: <20010425124956.B19235@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3AE71DFC.FB298C12@ltiflex.com> Sounds good to me. I can think of no good reason to send attachments to a mailing list. (maybe an ocasional config file, but hey, cat /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | pine tclug-list@mn-linux.org works for me.) Stripping HTML messages sounds wonderful as well, espically for mail archives. If you must distribute a file, use http or ftp. I've got enough O.T.D. though this list. (I really like the Outlook Transmitted Desease term, thanks to whoever posted that.) None of those OTD's has done anything, but they're still annoying. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From kethry at winternet.com Wed Apr 25 13:59:05 2001 From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Lambic In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It is fairly sour - but equally fruity - it DOES use fruit - framboise being based on raspberries, peche on peaches, I can't remember the french word for cherries - of the three listed the framboise is by far the sweetest and less hoppy flavored.... Liz On Wed, 25 Apr 2001 andy@theasis.com wrote: > > > > No, a lambic is a fruit-based beer, IIRC. The interesting thing about them > > It's supposedly only Belgian, uses wild yeast and aged hops, and is sour > in taste. > > > Can anyone confirm that what I'm saying is true? > > See http://hbd.org/brewery/library/LambicFAQ.html > > Andy > > > > > Gabe > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Imagination is intelligence having fun... e-mail: kethry@winternet.com URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html From dave at droyer.org Wed Apr 25 14:36:55 2001 From: dave at droyer.org (Dave Royer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Buying a Linux compatable digital cam. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <988227416.3581.0.camel@merlin> I know this topic is rather old...but I just got a new camera and am having all sorts of fun playing around. I got the Sandisk reader to work beautifully. I also picked up the PCMCIA reader, but I'm not sure what device it would be using. Any suggestions? (AKA...how do I mount the CF card via the PCMCIA adapter?) Thanks, Dave Royer On 10 Apr 2001 08:23:13 -0500, jeffr@odeon.net wrote: > > Also, in regards to the PCMCIA card, you can get a PCMCIA card that will > hold a compact flash card. Makes it real convienent for notebook > transfers (looks like an EIDE drive to the system IIRC). > ... From dutchman at uswest.net Wed Apr 25 15:01:28 2001 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rescue Disk Message-ID: <3AE72D18.ED88D1F2@uswest.net> Greet the sun all: Is there a rescue.img for RedHat 7.1 available somewhere similiar to Suse and Debian. I have a bad rescue disk (SYSLINUX 1.52 2001-02-07 Boot failed error) and need to build another. I looked at the images directory for 7.1 at ftp.mn-linux.org but did not find anything. -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com From administrator at ltiflex.com Wed Apr 25 15:03:17 2001 From: administrator at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Buying a Linux compatable digital cam. References: <988227416.3581.0.camel@merlin> Message-ID: <3AE72D85.5B797443@ltiflex.com> It looks like the PCMCIA reader uses the ide_cs driver from the pcmcia-cs package. ( (http://pcmcia-cs.sourceforge.net). http://pcmcia-cs.sourceforge.net/ftp/SUPPORTED.CARDS even says Sandisk helped with the driver. Once the driver is loaded, I'm going to guess that the reader will show up as /dev/hdb, /dev/hdd, or /dev/hde, but I'm just guessing. :) -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From jurick at abagency.com Wed Apr 25 15:06:59 2001 From: jurick at abagency.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Way OT: Biersitzung In-Reply-To: <20010425132817.D19235@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: kriek just means cherries and framboise is raspberry. I believe this Lambic is fermented twice, with the fruit added for the second ferement. > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 1:28 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Way OT: Biersitzung > > > > No, a lambic is a fruit-based beer, IIRC. The interesting > thing about them > > (other than them being made from fruit) is they're brewed in > open-air casks > > and they're fermented with spores from some weird plant. So, they build > > the breweries in the middle of fields where they grow the > plant. I could > > be completely confusing a lambic with something else > altogether, however :) > > > > Can anyone confirm that what I'm saying is true? > > > > Actually, a quick search on google reveals that, when I said it was brewed > from fruit, I was specifically speaking of a kriek lambic. AFAIK, though, > lambics are fermented from the spores of some plant. > > Gabe > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > -------------- > Gabe Turner | X-President, > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for > Computing Machinery > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > "Ooo-eeee-Ooooo, Killer Tofu!" - The Beats "Killer Tofu" > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > -------------- > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jurick at abagency.com Wed Apr 25 15:08:20 2001 From: jurick at abagency.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting Tomorrow the 26th! In-Reply-To: <3AE716D3.58CB1DA6@securecomputing.com> Message-ID: yeah I think they have soup and simple stuff. > From what I'm told there is food there, but the beer is the real > reason to go to > this place. The food is par, nothing to write home about. > > > > Is any of that food? (: > > > > > > -Yaron > > > From simeonuj at eetc.com Wed Apr 25 16:17:49 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PCMCIA and 2.2.19 References: <3AE6FECF.C2A0E4A8@eetc.com> <3AE703C1.A7A91BBC@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <3AE73EC5.6FC54274@eetc.com> Thanks. Just got it installed and running. Works great so far. sim Andy Zbikowski wrote: > PCMCIA drivers are a seperate package. The drivers and user tools can be > obtained from http://pcmcia-cs.sourceforge.net/ > > 2.4.0 (and up) brings the pcmcia drivers into the kernel, but you still need > the pcmcia-cs package. (for the user tools) See > http://pcmcia-cs.sourceforge.net/ftp/README-2.4 for more details on that. From tanner at real-time.com Wed Apr 25 16:42:42 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Connecting 2 linux boxes via USB? Message-ID: <20010425164242.A2910@real-time.com> Is it possible to hook 2 linux machine together via IP on top of USB? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Miller" ----- To: announce@openbsd.org Subject: MIME is now being removed from the mailing lists Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 11:10:00 -0600 From: "Todd C. Miller" We are now using the demime program (http://scifi.squawk.com/demime.html) to convert MIME messages sent to the mailing lists into plain text. Things that cannot be converted (e.g. attachments) will be stripped. See the demime web site for the gory details. I know this may perturb some people but it seems to be in line with what most people want (and it makes mailing list archives more readable).? It also protects the lists from viruses list the one recently posted on the misc list.? If you must send binaries, there is always uuencode though we would *much* prefer that folks include a URL so as not to burden everyone on the list with a binary they probably don't want or need. The following OpenBSD mailing lists are now being de-MIMEd: ??? ipv6, elf, mac68k, misc, ppc, romp, smp, tech, www, sparc, vax, ??? x11, advocacy, hppa, alpha ?- todd ----- End forwarded message ----- -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Putrich - Internet: gregp@n0qds.org????????????????????????????? [sk] ?? "I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, ??? or numbered. My life is my own." - No. 6 ************************End of Forwarded Message*************************** From dave at droyer.org Wed Apr 25 16:42:30 2001 From: dave at droyer.org (Dave Royer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Buying a Linux compatable digital cam. In-Reply-To: <3AE72D85.5B797443@ltiflex.com> References: <988227416.3581.0.camel@merlin> <3AE72D85.5B797443@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <988234952.773.0.camel@merlin> Hmmm. I recompiled my kernel to make sure I got IDE_CS support in there, but I don't think it's working. When I try to mount the drive, I get the following: (I think hdc would be it...hda=hard drive, hdb=CD). merlin:/home/dave# mount -t msdos /dev/hdc /mnt/sandisk/ mount: block device /dev/hdc is write-protected, mounting read-only mount: No medium found This is with the media in the PCMCIA adapter, in the slot. (I did notice I got the high-low beep sequence when I inserted the card, rather than the high-high.) Am I correct in assuming the ide_cs.o driver mentioned is the same one enabled by CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDECS in the config file? If so, I must be missing something, because I have that option turned on (Y). Dave On 25 Apr 2001 15:03:17 -0500, Andy Zbikowski wrote: > It looks like the PCMCIA reader uses the ide_cs driver from the pcmcia-cs > package. ( > (http://pcmcia-cs.sourceforge.net). > > http://pcmcia-cs.sourceforge.net/ftp/SUPPORTED.CARDS even says Sandisk > helped with the driver. Once the driver is loaded, I'm going to guess that > the reader will show up as /dev/hdb, /dev/hdd, or /dev/hde, but I'm just > guessing. :) > > -- > Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com > LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 > 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 > Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jethro at yaron.org Wed Apr 25 16:47:02 2001 From: jethro at yaron.org (jethro@yaron.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Connecting 2 linux boxes via USB? In-Reply-To: <20010425164242.A2910@real-time.com> References: <20010425164242.A2910@real-time.com> Message-ID: <988235222.3ae745d646f81@dragon> Hi, Quoting Bob Tanner : > Is it possible to hook 2 linux machine together via IP on top of USB? Interesting. I'd think you should be able to pretend it's serial ports and run PPP over it. You can try compiling USB Serial Support in the kernel and figuring out the device names... -Yaron -- From andy at theasis.com Wed Apr 25 16:52:56 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Connecting 2 linux boxes via USB? In-Reply-To: <988235222.3ae745d646f81@dragon> Message-ID: > Quoting Bob Tanner : > > > Is it possible to hook 2 linux machine together via IP on top of USB? > > Interesting. I'd think you should be able to pretend it's serial ports and run > PPP over it. You can try compiling USB Serial Support in the kernel and > figuring out the device names... Yeah, I thought SLIP, but if slip, then PPP. Problem with USB is there's a host end and a device end. Dunno how that would translate to raw USB networking. Andy > > -Yaron > > -- > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From andy at theasis.com Wed Apr 25 17:04:15 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Connecting 2 linux boxes via USB? In-Reply-To: <20010425164242.A2910@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > Is it possible to hook 2 linux machine together via IP on top of USB? Hmmm... /usr/src/linux/drivers/usb/net1080.c The IP-over-USB protocol here may be of interest. Embedded devices could implement it at the cost of two bulk endpoints, and whatever other system resources the desired IP-based applications need. ...that's on a 2.4 system. Andy From administrator at ltiflex.com Wed Apr 25 17:05:34 2001 From: administrator at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Buying a Linux compatable digital cam. References: <988227416.3581.0.camel@merlin> <3AE72D85.5B797443@ltiflex.com> <988234952.773.0.camel@merlin> Message-ID: <3AE74A2E.9BFA420F@ltiflex.com> The high-low been indicates that the card was detected but something didn't initlize. (Driver didn't load, etc.) 1> What kernel are you running? 2> Any error messages in dmesg, or /var/log/syslog 3> Are you sure it's /dev/hdc? Your hard drive will be /dev/hda, cdrom might be /dev/hdb but could be /dec/hdc... I'd think that the PCMCIA would be an off board IDE controller, this show up as /dev/hde, but I could be wrong. From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Wed Apr 25 17:14:07 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Way OT: Lambic HOWTO In-Reply-To: Message-ID: OK, there's a lot of interest and some pieces of correct information, as well as a couple of misconceptions floating around the list. I'm not an expert (more of a common sewer than a connoisseur), but I've got more experience with Lambic's than I do with Linux. Here's the lowdown on Lambic. Delete now if you have a compulsion to stay on topic! :) Lambic beer is brewed, mostly by Belgian monks. It comes from a region of Belgium just west of Brussels, mostly. The process involves what is known as spontaneous fermentation (more to follow), which is what some of you are referring to with yeast and plants. If you think that you know beer, but you don't know Belgian beer, you have a wonderful opportunity! The Belgians are to beer makers what the French are to wine. They treat it as much more of an art than the Germans, Czechs, Brits, or anyone. Lambic starts with a wheat beer, so already you're in a different class -- much smoother, less bitterness, less chromium aftertaste. (Warning, if you get really used to Lambic, you might find that you can't drink much Summit, at least close after.) It is spontaneously fermented, which means that no yeast is added. The only yeast is that flying around in the air or on the plants themselves. For this reason, you can't expect a Lambic like Sam Adams Cranberry Lambic to hold it's own against the Belgians. The chemistry is all different. This spontaneous fermentation occurs in open vats, usually in the cellars of monasteries. Frankly, it's a little gross, because it's out there with cobwebs and dust and a fried who took a brewery tour over there had a hard time with it. By the way, there are a host of Belgian beers -- Corsondonk and Orsay are usually pretty easy to find at Haskell's or the big one in Nordeast -- that their monks make. (I forget if they're trappist.) So it's fermented, then put in oak casks and aged for a year. As any whisky drinker knows (andy@theasis!) the wood in the casks plays a big part in the flavor. After this year, it is taken out and fruit is added. Kriek is cherries, Framboise is strawberry, there's a pear, and to complete the traditional ones, peach is my favorite. There are also odd ones, like Pineapple (nice at a barbecue, though!). After the fruit is added, it is bottled, corked, and capped, then aged another 3-6 months before being declared fit for human consumption. So that's how it's made; now how to drink it. A Lambic beer is *ABSOLUTELY NOT SUPPOSED TO BE SOUR!!* Shall I shout it again? However, the reason for this is most ofen that it is served improperly. The serving temperature does not need to be any exact figure (I suppose some people have calibrated it -- I'm not that anal), but it must not be served too cold. In Belgium, there are special glasses for drinking Lambic. They are about like a small brandy snifter. This is so that, like brandy, the warmth of your hand has an effect on the flavor. I have a couple here; maybe I'll drag one out to a beer meeting, or put a photo on the web. So, this lovingly made Lambic should be stored at about 40 degrees, I'd guess. Not *quite* as cold as the typical refrigerator. When it's uncapped, then the cork removed (yes, be careful about fizz -- sometimes it happens, and it's a sin to lose a drop!), it should be allowed to breathe for about 10 minutes, which also lets it start to warm up. Then pour it and wait again for a couple of minutes. When it's a little cooler than tepid, swirl it a little and take a sip. It's stronger than beer -- usually a little stronger than many wines. I seem to recall about 12% alcohol by volume, but it's hardly exact with the spontaneous fermentation and my leaky memory. It should be sweet with a wonderful mixture of fruity flavors swirling around it. Never should it be bitter or sour. It's a beer to nurse; the worst thing a person could do is drink it cold and fast. OK, well, those are the basics, as I know 'em, and maybe I'll get to share one with some of you soon. A votre sante! Cheers, Phil M If you want to read, Michael Jackson's beer book (the big one) has a good section on Lambic, though I know some beer-o-philes that consider him more of a drunk with a typewriter than an authority. :) -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Wed Apr 25 17:23:42 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Way OT: Lambic HOWTO In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, Phil Mendelsohn wrote: ... that Framboise was strawberry. Jacque was right -- raspberry, may bad. I think there is a strawberry Lambic. If not, there probably should be. If we ever get blackberries before the bears do at the deserted homestead near Sandstone, I'd like to take a stab at a blackberry Lambic. -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From duncan at sodatrain.com Wed Apr 25 16:46:44 2001 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: FreeGeek In-Reply-To: Message-ID: for thoes that interested in working further on a project, I have just finished setting up Listar to work with my qmail install. I *just* finished it, how ever I was able to subscribe and reply from a couple of accounts. I'll get the details worked out tomorrow.... to subscribe, send am email to tclug_freegeek@sodatrain.com with a subject of 'subscribe' thank you, I am excited about such a priject, and I hope that we can take this somewhere. I think it would be a great way to use our valueable skill set and apply it somewhere where there may not be a lot of money for it. See you on the list, duncan ps. if you have any questions, feel free to email me off list. From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Apr 25 18:01:10 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] G3 ppc and Yellowdog Linux In-Reply-To: <20010425164332.B2910@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 04:43:32PM -0500 References: <20010425164332.B2910@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010425180110.A1349@minime.usinternet.com> On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 04:43:32PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: >Got a G3 PowerMac and was going to install YellowDog, bad news is you need the >MacOS installation CD to start the process off (lame!!). > >Does the ppc debian version require this? I don't know, but I have basically given up on the mac laptop that I was going to install linux on. Makes me sick to my stomach that you need the install CD in order to make it work. > >-- >Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 >http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 >Key fingerprint = 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 > -- Ben Lutgens cell: XXX.XXX.XXXX Sistina Software Inc. work: XXX.XXX.XXXX Mailing list admin / Punching Bag (and sorta sysadmin guy) http://www.sistina.com/ <--- great software http://www.gentoo.org/ <--- great distro Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream <--- perfect error message -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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They even have a contact for MN: Kevin Klinkhammer 651-779-2816 Chris From pc451 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 25 19:20:46 2001 From: pc451 at yahoo.com (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Buying stuff... Message-ID: <20010426002046.41809.qmail@web11106.mail.yahoo.com> I am in the process of slowly putting together my owm box. Right now, I am waiting for my tax returns :) so that I have some spending $$$ to build the box I've always wanted. But in the meantime, I would like to ask a few questions. 1. What would you recommend for a motherboard? I want to get an Athlon 1000, so that narrows down things fast. Furthermore, I recall hearing something last week about a bug with Abit? motherboards. OR was it just the VIA chipset? I don't know, but I would like to avoid this if possible. 2. Same question regarding video cards. I don't need top of the line...32 MB mem is fine. I'm not looking for 300 FPS in Quake 3, either. I just want a card that is easily detectable under Linux, commonly available, and won't cause grief because of buggy drivers. 3. Any spots for buying keyboards and mice? Other than Best Buy and CompUSA? I've gone over their inventory and haven't found much that I like. A keyboard/mouse warehouse would be nice. :) 4. Where can I get some cool computer badges? (Those are the little 1x1 plastic-covered stickers that go on the front of a computer.) I googled and found a couple of companies, but most are either overseas or only sell in bulk. A badge with Tux would be a step in the right direction, I think. 5. Oh, yes, my price range for the system is going to be $800-$900, excluding monitor. (I'll deal with that later--for now, I've got an older one that will do.) Thanks! :Peter __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From thefishyone at hotmail.com Wed Apr 25 19:26:32 2001 From: thefishyone at hotmail.com (Matt Waters) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting Tomorrow the 26th! Message-ID: >From: dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu >Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >CC: Tclug-Announce >Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting Tomorrow the 26th! >Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 12:47:30 -0500 > >On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 12:03:08PM -0500, Jacqueline Urick wrote: > > Yes, TCLUGies, there is a Beermeeting tomorrow! > > > > We're meeting at Barley John's BrewPub in New Brighton. I discovered it >on a > > pub crawl over the weekend.(I did for you, valued TCLUGies) They have a > > smokey wild rice beer called "wild brunette". Its tasty. They have other > > yummy stuff too, like the Lindeman's (i think) Framboise Lambic. The >whole > > place is smoke-free, so now you can drink and not have to deal with the > > second-hand coolness of second-hand smoke. ;o) > >A lambic? I didn't know there were any bars around here that actually >served them... Yummy... That might actually get me out to my first TCLUG >Beersitzung :) > >Gabe What about those of us who aren't quite old enough to drink? Do we have to be of age to get into the pub? (I apologize if this was already answered. My e-mail box has got quite a bit of backlog.) ---------- The Fishy One's Infinite Wisdom #2: "Romance is like alcohol. Both are the cause of and solution to all of life's problems." New wisdom every week! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From brian at ghostreactor.com Wed Apr 25 15:12:20 2001 From: brian at ghostreactor.com (Brian Riesgraf) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Buying stuff... In-Reply-To: <20010426002046.41809.qmail@web11106.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: 1. Motherboard will depend on what type of ram you want to run. DDR or pc133. That will also determin what type or CPU to buy, if you want to run DDR you will need the DDR version of the 1ghz Tbird. For more refrence to CPU's please visit www.sharkyextreme.com for some in-depth info. For DDR i would suggest the asus A7VM and for pc133 i would suggest asus A7V. Both boards are top of the line in there respctive areas and both have ata100 controlers onboard. Dont buy form local shops, use pricewatch.com to find a good price on a board. 2. Right now you can get an OEM Geforce 2 GTS for 150$ (im going to get one soon for myself) from online resellers. On pricewatch.com you can locate a asus v770 pure (no tv out) for around that price, plus shipping of course. Many will argue to get the 32meg ddr radeon, but I have a prefrence for nvidia produts. Both are well supported in linux. 3. Best place to find a keyboard is in a dumpster :) But if your too old for such nonsence comp/bestbuy may be your best options unless you want to mail order a 10$ keyboard. As far as mice you need to figure out what you want and shop around on the net. With mice you will hardly find a deal online as most mail order shops sell mice retail, unless your lookin for some bargin bin POS mouse. You may wanna checkout the supercomputer sale this weekend. 4. Copyleft.net has some kickass raised Debian swirlie 1x1 stickers. Also if you buy your cpu in the retail box, it will come with an AMD 1x1 sticker and an extended warrenty. It will cost you a little more than an OEM cpu though. ...[Brian Riesgraf ...[Ghost Reactor Industries ...[irc.damnation.net #perkinz On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, Peter Clark wrote: > I am in the process of slowly putting together my owm box. Right > now, I am waiting for my tax returns :) so that I have some spending > $$$ to build the box I've always wanted. But in the meantime, I would > like to ask a few questions. > 1. What would you recommend for a motherboard? I want to get an > Athlon 1000, so that narrows down things fast. Furthermore, I recall > hearing something last week about a bug with Abit? motherboards. OR was > it just the VIA chipset? I don't know, but I would like to avoid this > if possible. > 2. Same question regarding video cards. I don't need top of the > line...32 MB mem is fine. I'm not looking for 300 FPS in Quake 3, > either. I just want a card that is easily detectable under Linux, > commonly available, and won't cause grief because of buggy drivers. > 3. Any spots for buying keyboards and mice? Other than Best Buy and > CompUSA? I've gone over their inventory and haven't found much that I > like. A keyboard/mouse warehouse would be nice. :) > 4. Where can I get some cool computer badges? (Those are the little > 1x1 plastic-covered stickers that go on the front of a computer.) I > googled and found a couple of companies, but most are either overseas > or only sell in bulk. A badge with Tux would be a step in the right > direction, I think. > 5. Oh, yes, my price range for the system is going to be $800-$900, > excluding monitor. (I'll deal with that later--for now, I've got an > older one that will do.) > Thanks! > :Peter > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From florin at iucha.net Wed Apr 25 21:02:00 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Buying stuff... In-Reply-To: <20010426002046.41809.qmail@web11106.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, Peter Clark wrote: > I am in the process of slowly putting together my owm box. Right > now, I am waiting for my tax returns :) so that I have some spending > $$$ to build the box I've always wanted. But in the meantime, I would > like to ask a few questions. > 1. What would you recommend for a motherboard? I want to get an > Athlon 1000, so that narrows down things fast. Furthermore, I recall > hearing something last week about a bug with Abit? motherboards. OR was > it just the VIA chipset? I don't know, but I would like to avoid this > if possible. For motherboard get an ASUS. Right now I would not go with VIA. AMD is more stable chipset. > 2. Same question regarding video cards. I don't need top of the > line...32 MB mem is fine. I'm not looking for 300 FPS in Quake 3, > either. I just want a card that is easily detectable under Linux, > commonly available, and won't cause grief because of buggy drivers. NVIDIA has problems with binary-only closed drivers. Ati has problems with crappy boards. Matrox boards are good but weak at 3D. Your pick. > 3. Any spots for buying keyboards and mice? Other than Best Buy and > CompUSA? I've gone over their inventory and haven't found much that I > like. A keyboard/mouse warehouse would be nice. :) I am very happy with Microsoft Hardware products. Get a M$ Natural Keyboard and a Intellimouse and you'll be happy. > 4. Where can I get some cool computer badges? (Those are the little > 1x1 plastic-covered stickers that go on the front of a computer.) I > googled and found a couple of companies, but most are either overseas > or only sell in bulk. A badge with Tux would be a step in the right > direction, I think. ... > 5. Oh, yes, my price range for the system is going to be $800-$900, > excluding monitor. (I'll deal with that later--for now, I've got an > older one that will do.) Try to get CPU + Mobo + RAM from the same place. They will usually test that they work and that they work together saving you a roundtrip... and also save on shipping. florin From dd-b at dd-b.net Wed Apr 25 21:48:30 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Stripping attachments in email In-Reply-To: <20010425115220.C6240@sherohman.org> References: <8794B3B640FED2118D8600C00D0020A593F368@ipserver2.interplastic.com> <20010425115220.C6240@sherohman.org> Message-ID: Dave Sherohman writes: > On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 11:39:06AM -0500, Ryan Ware wrote: > > The scanner is GNU, can't find much of a license on qmail itself, other than > > it is free to use an distribute. Am I missing something? > > You're not allowed to distribute modified binaries of qmail. If you make a > change, it won't be available to anyone else unless either that someone else > is willing to compile from source or DJB makes it part of the official > version. Forking is right out. And some people say this is a *bad* thing. Sheesh. -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From dd-b at dd-b.net Wed Apr 25 21:50:27 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Stripping attachments in email In-Reply-To: <01042516414400.01407@geezer> References: <8794B3B640FED2118D8600C00D0020A593F368@ipserver2.interplastic.com> <01042516414400.01407@geezer> Message-ID: Something like demime is a great idea, and nearly every mailing list should use it. Although, being in favor of education and simplicity, I prefer simply setting ezmlm to strip mime attachments, and bounce the whole message if the result of the stripping is a null message. -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From dd-b at dd-b.net Wed Apr 25 21:58:17 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] demime! In-Reply-To: <3AE71DFC.FB298C12@ltiflex.com> References: <20010425124956.B19235@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <3AE71DFC.FB298C12@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: Andy Zbikowski writes: > Sounds good to me. I can think of no good reason to send attachments to a > mailing list. (maybe an ocasional config file, but hey, cat > /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | pine tclug-list@mn-linux.org works for me.) > > Stripping HTML messages sounds wonderful as well, espically for mail > archives. If you must distribute a file, use http or ftp. I've got enough > O.T.D. though this list. (I really like the Outlook Transmitted Desease > term, thanks to whoever posted that.) None of those OTD's has done anything, > but they're still annoying. I strongly agree that demime would be a handy thing for this mailing list, and in fact for most mailing lists. I've run a few small, controlled-subscriber, mailing lists where it's handy to actually be able to use the list to distribute the latest budget spreadsheet to the members of the convention committee, for example. Since everybody really needs it, there's a net gain relative to putting it up on a website (plus, realistically, not that many people actually look on the web site). But this is a special case off in the corner of the problem space, I agree. -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From dd-b at dd-b.net Wed Apr 25 22:00:34 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Buying a Linux compatable digital cam. In-Reply-To: <988227416.3581.0.camel@merlin> References: <988227416.3581.0.camel@merlin> Message-ID: Dave Royer writes: > I know this topic is rather old...but I just got a new camera and am > having all sorts of fun playing around. I got the Sandisk reader to > work beautifully. I also picked up the PCMCIA reader, but I'm not sure > what device it would be using. Any suggestions? (AKA...how do I mount > the CF card via the PCMCIA adapter?) On my 2.2 kernel laptop system, when I shove in the flash card in the pcmcia adapter, it comes up as hdc. Console messages were logged telling me that. I can them mount it (as an msdos filesystem) and access it. -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Apr 25 22:07:57 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Buying stuff... Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10989D@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> I use pricescan.com for price searching. Their prices listed seem to be consistently better than pricewatch.com. I recommend the Abit KT7A or the KT7A-Raid for a Mobo. Abit's makes sweet boards, and for Athlon overclocking, this is the one to go with. DDR will give you a slight performance increase when doing some things, but the price difference isn't worth it. A friend of mine runs viahardware.com, and he gets tons and tons of motherboards for free to review, and he says the Abit KT7A is still the only way to go. The best price I found on PC133 ram is Tran Micro by the U of MN. They had Micron (Brand name!) PC133 CAS2 (2 not 3!) for less than $70 for a 256MB stick, probably way less now as that was over a month ago. I brought some generic ram back to them that I purchased nearly a year earlier from them, and they replaced it for free when it went bad. About the only good prices there is for memory though, everything else can be found cheaper online. For a sweet case, egghead.com has the Antec SX1030B in black. It's $96, but shipping is is a flat $6.95. Everyplace else wants more than $30 to ship it. Do a search on Egghead's site for "sx1030b". You can get a GeForce 2 MX for under $80. I've had no problems at all with mine and it works great with linux. If I remember correctly, all of Nvidia's drivers are now opensource, no more binary only crap. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Florin Iucha [mailto:florin@iucha.net] > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 9:02 PM > To: Twin Cities Lug > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Buying stuff... > > > On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, Peter Clark wrote: > > > I am in the process of slowly putting together my owm box. Right > > now, I am waiting for my tax returns :) so that I have some spending > > $$$ to build the box I've always wanted. But in the > meantime, I would > > like to ask a few questions. > > 1. What would you recommend for a motherboard? I want to get an > > Athlon 1000, so that narrows down things fast. Furthermore, I recall > > hearing something last week about a bug with Abit? > motherboards. OR was > > it just the VIA chipset? I don't know, but I would like to > avoid this > > if possible. > > For motherboard get an ASUS. Right now I would not go with VIA. AMD is > more stable chipset. > > > 2. Same question regarding video cards. I don't need top of the > > line...32 MB mem is fine. I'm not looking for 300 FPS in Quake 3, > > either. I just want a card that is easily detectable under Linux, > > commonly available, and won't cause grief because of buggy drivers. > > NVIDIA has problems with binary-only closed drivers. Ati has > problems with > crappy boards. Matrox boards are good but weak at 3D. Your pick. > > > 3. Any spots for buying keyboards and mice? Other than > Best Buy and > > CompUSA? I've gone over their inventory and haven't found > much that I > > like. A keyboard/mouse warehouse would be nice. :) > > I am very happy with Microsoft Hardware products. Get a M$ Natural > Keyboard and a Intellimouse and you'll be happy. > > > 4. Where can I get some cool computer badges? (Those are > the little > > 1x1 plastic-covered stickers that go on the front of a computer.) I > > googled and found a couple of companies, but most are > either overseas > > or only sell in bulk. A badge with Tux would be a step in the right > > direction, I think. > > ... > > > 5. Oh, yes, my price range for the system is going to be > $800-$900, > > excluding monitor. (I'll deal with that later--for now, I've got an > > older one that will do.) > > Try to get CPU + Mobo + RAM from the same place. They will > usually test > that they work and that they work together saving you a > roundtrip... and > also save on shipping. > > florin > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From thekremer at mn.mediaone.net Wed Apr 25 23:05:56 2001 From: thekremer at mn.mediaone.net (Justin Kremer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:56 2005 Subject: OT: [TCLUG] was: LILO, partitions and cylinders... agai In-Reply-To: <3AE589C8.91329013@eetc.com> References: <200104232222.f3NMM4L23146@sprite.real-time.com> <006001c0cc54$494435a0$0100a8c0@homey> <3AE589C8.91329013@eetc.com> Message-ID: <200104260407.f3Q47wx05923@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> > BTW, Mandrake 8.0 is at www.linuxiso.org. I got a really good speed > from there. Haven't tried it yet. > sim I decided I had to check this out, since in the past I've never gotten very good download rates from linuxiso.org I'm getting at 170 KB/s right now. That's WAY better than I used to get. In fact, that's better than I used to get from ANYWHERE consistently I think that RoadRunner has been upgrading something...anyone know if that's true? -Kremer From stauffer_james at yahoo.com Wed Apr 25 23:18:47 2001 From: stauffer_james at yahoo.com (James A. N. Stauffer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ftpd Message-ID: <20010426041847.59378.qmail@web11508.mail.yahoo.com> Which RPM for RH7 provides ftpd and how do I set it up? I found wu-ftpd-2.6.1-6.i386.rpm but that seems to require X, which I don't have installed. Where can I determine this on my own so that I don't have to bug you? ===== = o o o o o o o . . . __________________________ _____=======_||___ o _____ | James A. N. Stauffer | | Stauffer_James | .][__n_n_|DD[ ====____ | Spam food: uce@ftc.gov | | @yahoo.com | >(________|__|_[________]_|________________________|_|________________| _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o¬o¬o o¬o¬o` 'o¬o o¬o` __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From lxy at cloudnet.com Wed Apr 25 23:48:52 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ftpd Message-ID: <3ae7a8b4.3729.269167349@cloudnet.com> > wu-ftpd-2.6.1-6.i386.rpm but that seems to require X, It does? It shouldn't. Normally I'm a bit cautious about wu-ftpd, it's had it's share of bugs in the past but they seem quick to fix them. There are no *KNOWN* exploits for this version, FWIW. That RPM is the one you're looking for. From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Apr 26 00:11:38 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Chipsets (was: Re: Buying stuff...) In-Reply-To: <20010426002046.41809.qmail@web11106.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20010426002046.41809.qmail@web11106.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20010426001138.68c09a5b.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Peter Clark wrote: > > I am in the process of slowly putting together my owm box. Right > now, I am waiting for my tax returns :) so that I have some spending > $$$ to build the box I've always wanted. But in the meantime, I would > like to ask a few questions. > 1. What would you recommend for a motherboard? I want to get an > Athlon 1000, so that narrows down things fast. Furthermore, I recall > hearing something last week about a bug with Abit? motherboards. OR was > it just the VIA chipset? I don't know, but I would like to avoid this > if possible. I've been pondering this myself, since I have a VIA chipset that has been showing problems as well. I have the VIA 82c586b chipset for my K6-2 system, a predecessor to the current 686b chipset that has been causing so much trouble with Athlon boards, and I spent the last day getting my system re-installed due to filesystem corruption. Just a few notes about that: I know that Linux 2.2 is more stable on the VIA chipsets, though it seems that nobody has really figured out why. I'm certain that there are cases when running 2.2 where the system is unstable. For instance, I have always had difficulty burning CD-ROMs on this computer -- long, continuous streams of data are problematic. I also got filesystem corruption with ReiserFS on this system while running 2.2, but it's entirely possible that ReiserFS was to blame, and not the chipset. Random crashes when ripping CD audio, etc. Still, that's better than running 2.4 at this point. I've heard about a few things that have helped. One, which is relatively strange, is to compile the kernel optimized for Pentium chips, rather than Athlons. Some people have also seen improvements by making their BIOS settings more conservative. Note that the 586b and 686b are southbridge chips that interface with the PCI and AGP bus, along with the IDE subsystem. There are (IIRC) 586a and 686a chipsets that are for the _north_bridge, which is the interface to memory and cache, if I remember right. Some motherboards mix northbridge and southbridge chipsets between companies, so you might have a board with an AMD 760 northbridge with a VIA 686b southbridge. Obviously, it looks like the 686b should be avoided. From what I understand, this often shows up under the `KT133' label. I'm not sure if the `KT266' boards use the same chipset or not. Of course, I'm not really a `hardware guy' or a `kernel guy,' so don't take my word for it... -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ No radio. Already stolen. / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Apr 26 00:14:02 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Buying stuff... Message-ID: <3ae7ae9b.6464.269167349@cloudnet.com> > 1. What would you recommend for a motherboard? I want > to get an > Athlon 1000, so that narrows down things fast. I personally think the KT7A-RAID is the board to buy. Another option is the Epox kt3a+ (I think? not 100% on the model). I don't know about the reliability of the board, but it's identical in design to the Abit plus a SUPER COOL feature... it's got a 2 digit LED display on board that displays all the BIOS codes as it's booting up. Incredibly useful for diagnosing systems when the video card isn't working. Very nifty feature, but I nothing about Epox so it could be a total POS for all I know. > 2. Same question regarding video cards. I don't need Anything with an ATI Rage Pro 128 chip. Assuming you're running >=X4.0 that is, Rage 128 support is flaky in X3.x. > 3. Any spots for buying keyboards and mice? No help here. Maybe Microcenter? Probably same selection as Best Buy/CompUSA. > 4. Where can I get some cool computer badges? (Those AMD processor in a retail box. Haven't seen anywhere to buy a tux one, but let us know if you find one! > 5. Oh, yes, my price range for the system is going to > be $800-$900, Not a problem. I think the system I spec'd out for myself was around there, but then I added rediculous amounts of HD and RAM to meet my estimate ($1300). A system with a 1.33 Ghz T-bird, KT7A-RAID, 32 MB Rage Pro, 256 CAS2 RAM, and a 45 GB IBM ATA/100 will run you around $650 + shipping. Not a bad price for a system that will compile the 2.4 kernel in under 45 seconds. :-) From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Apr 26 00:16:38 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:56 2005 Subject: OT: [TCLUG] was: LILO, partitions and cylinders... agai In-Reply-To: <200104260407.f3Q47wx05923@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net>; from thekremer@mn.mediaone.net on Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 11:05:56PM -0500 References: <200104232222.f3NMM4L23146@sprite.real-time.com> <006001c0cc54$494435a0$0100a8c0@homey> <3AE589C8.91329013@eetc.com> <200104260407.f3Q47wx05923@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20010426001637.A7366@ringworld.org> * Justin Kremer [010425 23:10]: > I'm getting at 170 KB/s right now. > That's WAY better than I used to get. In fact, that's better than I Try using ftp.cs.umn.edu as a progeny and debian mirror :) I dont have debian cron-ed yet, but it will be soon. progeny is a nightly mirroring. umn peers with roadrunner now. yay fast speed to me. Soon I hope to get a fe card in ftp.cs so its not limited by 10mbps and only 4-5 cable modems beating the tar out of it at once. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010426/bc3b3d1c/attachment.pgp From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Apr 26 00:18:50 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Buying stuff... In-Reply-To: <3ae7ae9b.6464.269167349@cloudnet.com>; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 05:14:02AM +0000 References: <3ae7ae9b.6464.269167349@cloudnet.com> Message-ID: <20010426001849.B7366@ringworld.org> * Brian [010426 00:17]: > it's identical in design to the Abit plus a SUPER COOL > feature... it's got a 2 digit LED display on board that MSI did this before EPOX, actually. With 4 leds, no less. super cool tho, yes. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I want > > to get an > > Athlon 1000, so that narrows down things fast. > > I personally think the KT7A-RAID is the board to buy. > Another option is the Epox kt3a+ (I think? not 100% on the > model). I don't know about the reliability of the board, > but > it's identical in design to the Abit plus a SUPER COOL > feature... it's got a 2 digit LED display on board that > displays all the BIOS codes as it's booting up. Incredibly > useful for diagnosing systems when the video card isn't > working. Very nifty feature, but I nothing about Epox so it > could be a total POS for all I know. > > > 2. Same question regarding video cards. I don't need > > Anything with an ATI Rage Pro 128 chip. Assuming you're > running >=X4.0 that is, Rage 128 support is flaky in X3.x. > > > 3. Any spots for buying keyboards and mice? > > No help here. Maybe Microcenter? Probably same selection > as > Best Buy/CompUSA. > > > 4. Where can I get some cool computer badges? (Those > > AMD processor in a retail box. Haven't seen anywhere to buy > a tux one, but let us know if you find one! > > > 5. Oh, yes, my price range for the system is going to > > be $800-$900, > > Not a problem. I think the system I spec'd out for myself > was around there, but then I added rediculous amounts of HD > and RAM to meet my estimate ($1300). A system with a 1.33 > Ghz T-bird, KT7A-RAID, 32 MB Rage Pro, 256 CAS2 RAM, and a > 45 > GB IBM ATA/100 will run you around $650 + shipping. Not a > bad price for a system that will compile the 2.4 kernel in > under 45 seconds. :-) > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Apr 26 01:14:08 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ftpd Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10989F@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Stay away from WU-ftpd. It's been full of security problems since it was released. Proftpd seems pretty good, but development on it is slow, and it has a really annoying bug with passive mode not working right. Apache 2.0 will include an ftp server, but it's alpha right now. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian [mailto:lxy@cloudnet.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 11:49 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] ftpd > > > > wu-ftpd-2.6.1-6.i386.rpm but that seems to require X, > > It does? It shouldn't. Normally I'm a bit cautious about > wu-ftpd, it's had it's share of bugs in the past but they > seem quick to fix them. There are no *KNOWN* exploits for > this version, FWIW. That RPM is the one you're looking for. > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Apr 26 01:20:01 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Buying stuff... Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1098A0@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> The following suggestion is very important, so listen carefully. If you want the full performance of your system including fast file transfers, faster cpu performance (without overclockng), more FPS in quake, and maximum stability... YOU MUST REPLACE YOUR POWER LIGHT WITH A BLUE LED. :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Dier [mailto:dieman+tclug@ringworld.org] > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 12:19 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Buying stuff... > > > * Brian [010426 00:17]: > > it's identical in design to the Abit plus a SUPER COOL > > feature... it's got a 2 digit LED display on board that > > MSI did this before EPOX, actually. With 4 leds, no less. > > super cool tho, yes. > > -- > Scott Dier > http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net > > So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant > From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Apr 26 02:02:08 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Buying stuff... In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1098A0@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 01:20:01AM -0500 References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1098A0@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010426020208.E7366@ringworld.org> * Austad, Jay [010426 01:22]: > YOU MUST REPLACE YOUR POWER LIGHT WITH A BLUE LED. I dont even see my power light :) The cool light on my box is on my mouse. Nice. Big> blue. Led. glowing. :) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From ben at nerp.net Thu Apr 26 07:46:02 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TUX Case Badges In-Reply-To: <20010426115520.37310.qmail@web13405.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I have also seen debian case badges, i think they were on copyleft.net Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, Jonathan Kline wrote: > http://www.directron.com/ will let you order tux badges if you order > one of their cases, might also let you order tehm seperatly. Also I > believe www.cdrom.com sells slackware badges.... > > > Jonathan > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBOugYjMtpDhsSpvgtAQEHQAQAmTdLV9+9XXXPqG1gPf7z8xuRwSNhPMP9 w2t1wJWv1vnAPaS4BkAVAzfyIYLEo+4EXVw8Q38EMxUzwvutJHLaTXwBa9NtSTNV 2+FYIpZWTaQA5QRCGNsmTar7V+rUE0wRAv0MmmqjS7IYIRZQc3rhSPR7Tw24u2km GAQNYyyWQF4= =IS+l -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From veldy at veldy.net Thu Apr 26 08:21:27 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ftpd References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10989F@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <004201c0ce53$cc9b9690$0101a8c0@cascade> > Stay away from WU-ftpd. It's been full of security problems since it was > released. Proftpd seems pretty good, but development on it is slow, and it > has a really annoying bug with passive mode not working right. The 'passive mode' bug was fix a couple of months ago. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net From esper at sherohman.org Thu Apr 26 08:39:39 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Stripping attachments in email In-Reply-To: ; from dd-b@dd-b.net on Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 09:48:30PM -0500 References: <8794B3B640FED2118D8600C00D0020A593F368@ipserver2.interplastic.com> <20010425115220.C6240@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20010426083939.A16108@sherohman.org> On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 09:48:30PM -0500, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > Dave Sherohman writes: > > You're not allowed to distribute modified binaries of qmail. If you make a > > change, it won't be available to anyone else unless either that someone else > > is willing to compile from source or DJB makes it part of the official > > version. Forking is right out. > > And some people say this is a *bad* thing. Sheesh. Depends on what you mean by "bad". DJB's not wrong to choose that restriction. IMO, he has every right to dictate how his code may be used and this is not an unreasonable restriction. RMS may have ethical problems with it, but I don't. However, from a practical standpoint, I think it's a bad choice. As a developer, I'm less likely to burn my time working on a project that I can't fork if the maintainer is completely unreasonable[1] or for some reason stops maintaining the project. Any decision which causes developers to turn away reduces the value of the open source process. If many eyeballs make all bugs shallow, then fewer eyeballs will leave places for bugs to hide. [1] Although I've never dealt with him and have no opinion of my own on the topic, many people seem to think that DJB is already unreasonable by default. -- That's not gibberish... It's Linux. - Byers, The Lone Gunmen Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From duncan at sodatrain.com Thu Apr 26 08:02:23 2001 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: FreeGeek In-Reply-To: <002901c0cde2$557f8f60$0100a8c0@homey> Message-ID: My appologies, I sent an incorrect address to subscribe to the tclug_freegeek mailing list. the correct address is tclug_freegeek-request@sodatrain.com You can also go to www.sodatrain.com/tclug_freegeek/ and find some info there. Again, I am sorry. I am very excited to get this rolling! -- || || || || || || duncan shannon duncan@sodatrain.com From jeffr at odeon.net Thu Apr 26 09:08:47 2001 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Buying stuff... In-Reply-To: <3ae7ae9b.6464.269167349@cloudnet.com> Message-ID: www.linuxmall.com has a few linux case badges. Just do a search for 'badge' under their shopping section, or visit the URL below: http://www.linuxmall.com/shop/?search=badge&SID=f1e70e6ebfba8f8e8580e0c0d67fdc20 Also, http://www.directron.com/labels.html has a bunch of case badges. Jeff On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, Brian wrote: [snip] > > 4. Where can I get some cool computer badges? (Those > > AMD processor in a retail box. Haven't seen anywhere to buy > a tux one, but let us know if you find one! [snip] From simeonuj at eetc.com Thu Apr 26 09:07:30 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] G3 ppc and Yellowdog Linux References: <20010425164332.B2910@real-time.com> <20010425180110.A1349@minime.usinternet.com> Message-ID: <3AE82B9D.37BBDC77@eetc.com> Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 04:43:32PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > >Got a G3 PowerMac and was going to install YellowDog, bad news is you need the > >MacOS installation CD to start the process off (lame!!). > > > >Does the ppc debian version require this? > > I don't know, but I have basically given up on the mac laptop that I was going > to install linux on. Makes me sick to my stomach that you need the install CD > in order to make it work. I thought it was just to make the partitions? And I think the bootloader has something to do with it. Maybe they should send that along with the install disks. We had the same problem with a 7200 and PPClinux. Had to partitoin the drive and install the MacOS just to install linux. Not a very good setup. The guy who did it tried to install it without the MacOS disk's but to no avail. Had to load a MacOS system and then load PPClinux then remove MacOS. Kinda a run around. Does the MacOS linux's use the HFS/HFS+ formats? I didn't think so but am not sure. There was also an option to hook up a console to the printer/modem port and change some PRAM/ROM ( not sure wich ) stuff and make it bootable straight into linux without the bootlaoder. That looked interesting except there isn't a way that I know of to do this with the new G3/G4's. I don't think there is a distro out there for the mac that doesn't need the MacOS install disk's. sim From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Apr 26 09:10:02 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TUX Case Badges Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1098A2@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Teamawe has some cool ones: http://teamawe.safeshopper.com/11/cat11.htm?429 I think I may get myself an "Evil Inside" badge. :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Kochie [mailto:ben@nerp.net] > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 7:46 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] TUX Case Badges > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > I have also seen debian case badges, i think they were on copyleft.net > > Thank You, > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, Jonathan Kline wrote: > > > http://www.directron.com/ will let you order tux badges if you order > > one of their cases, might also let you order tehm seperatly. Also I > > believe www.cdrom.com sells slackware badges.... > > > > > > Jonathan > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: 2.6.3ia > Charset: noconv > > iQCVAwUBOugYjMtpDhsSpvgtAQEHQAQAmTdLV9+9XXXPqG1gPf7z8xuRwSNhPMP9 > w2t1wJWv1vnAPaS4BkAVAzfyIYLEo+4EXVw8Q38EMxUzwvutJHLaTXwBa9NtSTNV > 2+FYIpZWTaQA5QRCGNsmTar7V+rUE0wRAv0MmmqjS7IYIRZQc3rhSPR7Tw24u2km > GAQNYyyWQF4= > =IS+l > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dave at droyer.org Thu Apr 26 09:16:05 2001 From: dave at droyer.org (Dave Royer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Buying a Linux compatable digital cam. In-Reply-To: <3AE74A2E.9BFA420F@ltiflex.com> References: <988227416.3581.0.camel@merlin> <3AE72D85.5B797443@ltiflex.com> <988234952.773.0.camel@merlin> <3AE74A2E.9BFA420F@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <988294566.3379.0.camel@merlin> OK. I don't have the correct kernel module. Syslog looks like this: Apr 26 09:08:36 merlin cardmgr[180]: executing: 'modprobe -r serial_cs' Apr 26 09:09:04 merlin cardmgr[180]: initializing socket 0 Apr 26 09:09:04 merlin cardmgr[180]: socket 0: ATA/IDE Fixed Disk Apr 26 09:09:04 merlin cardmgr[180]: executing: 'modprobe ide_cs' Apr 26 09:09:04 merlin cardmgr[180]: + modprobe: Can't locate module ide_cs Apr 26 09:09:04 merlin cardmgr[180]: modprobe exited with status 255 Apr 26 09:09:04 merlin cardmgr[180]: module /lib/modules/2.4.3/pcmcia/ide_cs.o not available Apr 26 09:09:06 merlin cardmgr[180]: get dev info on socket 0 failed: Resource temporarily unavailable I am using the 2.4.3 kernel built using make-kpkg under debian. I guess the question is what is the config setting that builds the ide_cs module? (I think the card would show up as hdc as I don't believe my laptop has 2 IDE channels...just my guess anyway.) Thanks, Dave On 25 Apr 2001 17:05:34 -0500, Andy Zbikowski wrote: > The high-low been indicates that the card was detected but something didn't > initlize. (Driver didn't load, etc.) > > 1> What kernel are you running? > 2> Any error messages in dmesg, or /var/log/syslog > 3> Are you sure it's /dev/hdc? Your hard drive will be /dev/hda, cdrom might > be /dev/hdb but could be /dec/hdc... > I'd think that the PCMCIA would be an off board IDE controller, this show up > as /dev/hde, but I could be wrong. > > >From the sounds of it, you need to check your logs for errors and solve > those errors. > > -- > Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com > LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 > 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 > Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Apr 26 09:29:46 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] G3 ppc and Yellowdog Linux In-Reply-To: <3AE82B9D.37BBDC77@eetc.com> References: <20010425164332.B2910@real-time.com> <20010425180110.A1349@minime.usinternet.com> <3AE82B9D.37BBDC77@eetc.com> Message-ID: <20010426092946.6cd67f9b.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Simeon Johnston wrote: > > Does the MacOS linux's use the HFS/HFS+ formats? I didn't think so but > am not sure. You can use a lot of filesystems with Linux, but most people use ext2, regardless of the hardware. Just a random note: I believe that Linux can't, at the moment, read HFS+ partitions. There is a Sorceforge project [http://linux-hfsplus.sourceforge.net/], but it's only at the alpha stage. IIRC, Apple actually released information on the filesystem layout, so it is just a matter of getting people to write the drivers. HFS is supported, though I suspect the write support is at the experimental or even dangerous level... -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I went to a general / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ store. They wouldn't let \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) me buy anything specific. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Apr 26 09:33:33 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] G3 ppc and Yellowdog Linux Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1098A3@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> I read somewhere that Yellowdog has solved that problem, and you can now boot from the yellowdog cd to do the install. No MacOS required. I think it was on Linuxtoday.com awhile back. This might only work with certain machines though. > -----Original Message----- > From: Simeon Johnston [mailto:simeonuj@eetc.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 9:08 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] G3 ppc and Yellowdog Linux > > > > > Ben Lutgens wrote: > > > On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 04:43:32PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > > >Got a G3 PowerMac and was going to install YellowDog, bad > news is you need the > > >MacOS installation CD to start the process off (lame!!). > > > > > >Does the ppc debian version require this? > > > > I don't know, but I have basically given up on the mac > laptop that I was going > > to install linux on. Makes me sick to my stomach that you > need the install CD > > in order to make it work. > > I thought it was just to make the partitions? And I think > the bootloader has > something to do with it. Maybe they should send that along > with the install > disks. > We had the same problem with a 7200 and PPClinux. Had to > partitoin the drive and > install the MacOS just to install linux. Not a very good setup. > The guy who did it tried to install it without the MacOS > disk's but to no avail. > Had to load a MacOS system and then load PPClinux then remove > MacOS. Kinda a run > around. > Does the MacOS linux's use the HFS/HFS+ formats? I didn't > think so but am not > sure. > There was also an option to hook up a console to the > printer/modem port and change > some PRAM/ROM ( not sure wich ) stuff and make it bootable > straight into linux > without the bootlaoder. That looked interesting except there > isn't a way that I > know of to do this with the new G3/G4's. > I don't think there is a distro out there for the mac that > doesn't need the MacOS > install disk's. > > sim > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dd-b at dd-b.net Thu Apr 26 09:36:51 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help Required on %post In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Nate Carlson writes: > On Wed, 25 Apr 2007, Ankush wrote: > > I am trying to install an RPM in the %post script of a spec file. But > > on doing so it gives me an "exclusive lock on database" error. If you > > have come across this problem before please send me a mail at your > > latest. Also if you have any idea of how to "rpm -ivh --nodeps > file>" without installing the rpm, but from the build itself, please > > let me know. > > Are you trying to do it as root? Are you installing another RPM right now? Well, if he's doing it from the %post script, then he definitely *is* installing another RPM right then. I haven't seen this sort of chained RPM installation done, though it's common in windows installers; I think you need to just report the dependency, rather than try to automatically resolve it, and let the user then install the right RPMs. -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Apr 26 09:39:31 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] G3 ppc and Yellowdog Linux In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1098A3@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 09:33:33AM -0500 References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1098A3@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010426093931.I7366@ringworld.org> * Austad, Jay [010426 09:35]: > it was on Linuxtoday.com awhile back. This might only work with certain > machines though. AFAIK, its gotta be a newworld rom. Usually the oldworld roms need macos to 'turn on' everthing :| You boot linux in an oldworld rom like that and the keyboard dont work!@ -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010426/a106f635/attachment.pgp From jesse_erdmann at securecomputing.com Thu Apr 26 09:44:41 2001 From: jesse_erdmann at securecomputing.com (Jesse Erdmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting Tomorrow the 26th! References: Message-ID: <3AE83459.79B96F48@securecomputing.com> Not sure if anyone else mentioned this, but the map on the following page is a little off. The Brewpub is actually between Old Hwy 8 and Hwy 88. The map would have you go off behind Godfather's and such so if you were heading east down County D you'd probably miss it. > > Here's the details: http://www.mn-linux.org/beermeeting/ > -- Jesse Erdmann Engineer Secure Computing Corp. From administrator at ltiflex.com Thu Apr 26 09:44:49 2001 From: administrator at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Buying a Linux compatable digital cam. References: <988227416.3581.0.camel@merlin> <3AE72D85.5B797443@ltiflex.com> <988234952.773.0.camel@merlin> <3AE74A2E.9BFA420F@ltiflex.com> <988294566.3379.0.camel@merlin> Message-ID: <3AE83461.4019F6BC@ltiflex.com> > I am using the 2.4.3 kernel built using make-kpkg under debian. I guess > the question is what is the config setting that builds the ide_cs > module? > http://pcmcia-cs.sourceforge.net Or, better yet: apt-get install pcmcia-source && cd /usr/src/linux && make-kpkg modules_image -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From administrator at ltiflex.com Thu Apr 26 09:51:58 2001 From: administrator at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Buying a Linux compatable digital cam. References: <988227416.3581.0.camel@merlin> <3AE72D85.5B797443@ltiflex.com> <988234952.773.0.camel@merlin> <3AE74A2E.9BFA420F@ltiflex.com> <988294566.3379.0.camel@merlin> Message-ID: <3AE8360E.DE55DC60@ltiflex.com> Read a little more, and I should clear some things up: Read all of http://pcmcia-cs.sourceforge.net/ftp/README-2.4! I picked out 3 critical notes: Q: Are these two versions of PCMCIA both going to continue with active development? A: The way I see things now, the kernel PCMCIA subsystem will probably be too unstable for widespread deployment, at least in the early days of 2.4. So the standalone package will probably be widely used for some time yet. However, the kernel PCMCIA subsystem should eventually stabilize and be the focus of new development. I expect that development for the standalone kernel modules will shift away from adding functionality, towards mainly bug fixes. Q: Which should I use / which is better? The kernel PCMCIA, or the standalone PCMCIA? A: It really depends. The client drivers should generally behave the same. Some of the internals of the kernel PCMCIA system are very different and less mature than the standalone drivers. Some legacy hardware is currently only supported by the standalone drivers. At this point, I'd recommend using the kernel drivers if you have a specific need or if you are interested in helping test and debug. If you mainly just want something that works, then the standalone subsystem is probably a better bet at the moment. Q: I'm using the kernel PCMCIA subsystem but want to use a driver that isn't included in the kernel yet. Why can't I compile that driver from the standalone PCMCIA package? A: The Makefiles are set up to discourage this, mainly to prevent people from trying combinations that don't make sense. Things in the "modules" directory of the standalone package will not work with the kernel PCMCIA subsystem. However, you can build client drivers by doing a "make" in either the "clients" or "wireless" subdirectories. So you want to rebuild your kernel without cardbus support, and build it with the pcmcia-source package mentioned in my earlier message, as kernel pcmica doesn't have the ide_cs driver (yet). Unstable's pcmcia-source package is current. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From natecars at real-time.com Thu Apr 26 09:53:20 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Connecting 2 linux boxes via USB? In-Reply-To: <20010425164242.A2910@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > Is it possible to hook 2 linux machine together via IP on top of USB? Yeah, there are a couple USB drivers that can do it. Check the kernel docs. I can look it up if you can't find it. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From spencer at sihope.com Thu Apr 26 11:02:04 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (AAAunderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE:buying hardware References: <200104260300.f3Q305L03066@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <3AE8467C.CD81AAA4@sihope.com> > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 17:20:46 -0700 (PDT) > From: Peter Clark > To: Twin Cities Lug > Subject: [TCLUG] Buying stuff... > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > I am in the process of slowly putting together my owm box. Right > now, I am waiting for my tax returns :) so that I have some spending > $$$ to build the box I've always wanted. But in the meantime, I would > like to ask a few questions. > 1. What would you recommend for a motherboard? I want to get an > Athlon 1000, so that narrows down things fast. Furthermore, I recall > hearing something last week about a bug with Abit? motherboards. OR was > it just the VIA chipset? I don't know, but I would like to avoid this > if possible. http://anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1457 I would suggest you check out the new Asus CUV266. This is the first DDR/370 offering from Asus. In my humble opinion DDR is the way to go if you are building a new system. If you want the tbird chip then get the KT266, I am pretty sure this one uses the Apollo Pro 266 chipset. Make sure and check the bios of "any " board you buy. They usually ship with older nvram than is currently available. Check the MB website. As far as overclocking goes Asus not Abit is the better choice. Abit has consistantly shown that there boards are less stable especially at higher I/O voltage. If you want to buy a 44bx chipset than definetly get the Abit BE6-II. Otherwise I would say go Asus or maybe Gigabyte. Whatever you do, go DDR! And stop considering a pentium4 it was even in the back of your mind. That chip will be a huge waste of money until at least the last quarter of this year. > 2. Same question regarding video cards. I don't need top of the > line...32 MB mem is fine. I'm not looking for 300 FPS in Quake 3, > either. I just want a card that is easily detectable under Linux, > commonly available, and won't cause grief because of buggy drivers. get an SIS6360 8mg card $35 >>you've got more important things to do than play games > 3. Any spots for buying keyboards and mice? Other than Best Buy and > CompUSA? I've gone over their inventory and haven't found much that I > like. A keyboard/mouse warehouse would be nice. :) Only shop for sales and specials at big corp stores. General Nano and Tran Micro and Que as a last resort. There is also a place nobody uses call Computer Orphanage on Lake and 4th Ave. They always have a deal or two .$9bucks or less I usually pay for scroll mice. The other day I saw intellimice for $25 at BB. > 4. Where can I get some cool computer badges? (Those are the little > 1x1 plastic-covered stickers that go on the front of a computer.) I > googled and found a couple of companies, but most are either overseas > or only sell in bulk. A badge with Tux would be a step in the right > direction, I think. Just DIY > 5. Oh, yes, my price range for the system is going to be $800-$900, > excluding monitor. (I'll deal with that later--for now, I've got an > older one that will do.) I know I guy that has been repairing monitors for 30 years. He always hooks me up with great deals on big monitors. I just bought a couple months ago a RasterOps 20" for $200. Usually has 17" for under a buck. Be careful if you buy online, especially chips and ram -Spencer Underground > Thanks! > :Peter > From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Apr 26 10:00:56 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help Required on %post In-Reply-To: <000c01c78753$2e94fda0$0119430a@india.ensim.com> References: <000c01c78753$2e94fda0$0119430a@india.ensim.com> Message-ID: <20010426100056.3d194861.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> "Ankush" wrote: > > Hi, > I am trying to install an RPM in the %post script of a spec file. But on > doing so it gives me an "exclusive lock on database" error. If you have > come across this problem before please send me a mail at your latest. When rpm and other installers (Red Carpet, etc) install packages, they obtain an exclusive lock to the database and no other process can access the database until they're finished. Therefore, you can't start a new installer process from the scripts within RPM files.. The proper thing to do is to put all of the right files in a directory, then run `rpm -Uvh *.rpm' or a similar command.. > Also if you have any idea of how to "rpm -ivh --nodeps " > without installing the rpm, but from the build itself, please let me > know. I'm not quite sure what you mean by this... Are you just looking for `make install'? I've recently taken to building RPMs from tarballs. It's usually pretty easy, though some stuff doesn't always compile (silly RedHat with their unstable compilers...) Of course, the tarball has to have an appropriate .spec file in it. rpmbuild --tb file-0.0.1.tar.gz or rpm -tb file-0.0.1.tar.gz -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ On the other hand, you / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ have different fingers. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Thu Apr 26 10:02:39 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting Tomorrow the 26th! In-Reply-To: <3AE83459.79B96F48@securecomputing.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, Jesse Erdmann wrote: > Not sure if anyone else mentioned this, but the map on the following > page is a little off. The Brewpub is actually between Old Hwy 8 and Hwy > 88. The map would have you go off behind Godfather's and such so if you > were heading east down County D you'd probably miss it. Can I ask you to be precise, since you seem to know the area? If people got off 35W heading west on D, where would they turn, and which direction? -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From jesse_erdmann at securecomputing.com Thu Apr 26 10:15:45 2001 From: jesse_erdmann at securecomputing.com (Jesse Erdmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting Tomorrow the 26th! References: Message-ID: <3AE83BA1.E2A40BD6@securecomputing.com> Well, I drive past everyday so you'd think I'd be a little more certain of myself, but not actually having been to the establishment yet I'm not certain where the driveway entrance is. Anyway, you'll turn west on D from 35W as you said, then you'll go through the stop lights at 88 and turn right at the stop lights on Old Hwy. 8. I think the driveway is the first right on 8. Either way the Brewpub is right on the corner of 8 and D. > > > Not sure if anyone else mentioned this, but the map on the following > > page is a little off. The Brewpub is actually between Old Hwy 8 and Hwy > > 88. The map would have you go off behind Godfather's and such so if you > > were heading east down County D you'd probably miss it. > > Can I ask you to be precise, since you seem to know the area? > If people got off 35W heading west on D, where would they turn, and which > direction? > -- Jesse Erdmann Engineer Secure Computing Corp. From dave at droyer.org Thu Apr 26 10:11:38 2001 From: dave at droyer.org (Dave Royer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Buying a Linux compatable digital cam. In-Reply-To: <3AE8360E.DE55DC60@ltiflex.com> References: <988227416.3581.0.camel@merlin> <3AE72D85.5B797443@ltiflex.com> <988234952.773.0.camel@merlin> <3AE74A2E.9BFA420F@ltiflex.com> <988294566.3379.0.camel@merlin> <3AE8360E.DE55DC60@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <988297899.3380.4.camel@merlin> OK. Thanks. That makes sense. I have been trying to use the PCMCIA stuff in the kernel. I tried building the pcmcia-source package but was getting some strange errors, but I will go and remove the PCMSIA stuff from the kernel and recompile things. Dave On 26 Apr 2001 09:51:58 -0500, Andy Zbikowski wrote: > Read a little more, and I should clear some things up: > Read all of http://pcmcia-cs.sourceforge.net/ftp/README-2.4! I picked out 3 > critical notes: > > > So you want to rebuild your kernel without cardbus support, and build it > with the pcmcia-source package mentioned in my earlier message, as kernel > pcmica doesn't have the ide_cs driver (yet). Unstable's pcmcia-source > package is current. > From simeonuj at eetc.com Thu Apr 26 10:15:50 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Chipsets (was: Re: Buying stuff...) References: <20010426002046.41809.qmail@web11106.mail.yahoo.com> <20010426001138.68c09a5b.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3AE83B9A.D4D534B8@eetc.com> Mike Hicks wrote: > I've been pondering this myself, since I have a VIA chipset that has been > showing problems as well. I have the VIA 82c586b chipset for my K6-2 > system, a predecessor to the current 686b chipset that has been causing so > much trouble with Athlon boards, and I spent the last day getting my > system re-installed due to filesystem corruption. Just a few notes about > that: What is the name of the chipset? MVP3, MVP4? I have a MVP4 w/ a K6-2 450 without any problems with linux. Had some major problems with some other computers running identical MB's and chips but that was with windows, not linux and only on the installation. After it was installed it worked great. Runs 2.4 great. Compiles in about 15 minutes. Not sure about the exact model # right now as it is at home. It is an Amptron ( www.amptron.com ) all in one deal though. Not bad for it's time. There site is really nice now. Has drivers for Win9x/ME/NT/2K and Linux. Bios upgrades and everything. Not bad now but really sucked when I first got the board. The only major problem I have with it is that it has onboard video. 8MB shared memory, AGP 2x Trident Blade 3D/CyberBlade. Works great but not all that powerfull. I need to find a Nvidia PCI based board for cheap. Don't have much money right now though. Any suggestions? sim From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Apr 26 10:50:25 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Chipsets (was: Re: Buying stuff...) In-Reply-To: <3AE83B9A.D4D534B8@eetc.com> References: <20010426002046.41809.qmail@web11106.mail.yahoo.com> <20010426001138.68c09a5b.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <3AE83B9A.D4D534B8@eetc.com> Message-ID: <20010426105025.4fe9c1fd.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Simeon Johnston wrote: > > Mike Hicks wrote: > > > I've been pondering this myself, since I have a VIA chipset that has > > been showing problems as well. I have the VIA 82c586b chipset for my > > K6-2 system, a predecessor to the current 686b chipset that has been > > causing so much trouble with Athlon boards, and I spent the last day > > getting my system re-installed due to filesystem corruption. Just a > > few notes about that: > > What is the name of the chipset? MVP3, MVP4? I have a MVP4 w/ a K6-2 > 450 without any problems with linux. Had some major problems with some > other computers running identical MB's and chips but that was with > windows, not linux and only on the installation. After it was installed > it worked great. It's MVP3. Yet another name... I've heard pretty much the same thing -- some people have no problem with one board, but another (that should be identical or nearly so) has severe issues. My brother has a similar board to mine, and he hasn't had any problems that I'm aware of. There may be some hardware compatibility issues. I've heard rumblings that SB Live!s might be bad components for boards with VIA chipsets, but I'd be reluctant to blame a sound card.. Also, some people have suggested that AGP video cards might exacerbate the problems. > Runs 2.4 great. Compiles in about 15 minutes. > Not sure about the exact model # right now as it is at home. It is an > Amptron ( www.amptron.com ) all in one deal though. Not bad for it's > time. There site is really nice now. Has drivers for Win9x/ME/NT/2K and > Linux. Bios upgrades and everything. Not bad now but really sucked > when I first got the board. My board is an FIC VA-503+. I had to upgrade the BIOS a while back in order to get my UDMA66-capable hard drive recognized, though the board can only do UDMA33. I suppose someone should really set up a database somewhere for people who have had problems, so the similarities can be correlated... -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Don't buy furs, it takes / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ trees to make protest \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) signs. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From dave at droyer.org Thu Apr 26 11:08:15 2001 From: dave at droyer.org (Dave Royer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Buying a Linux compatable digital cam. In-Reply-To: <988297899.3380.4.camel@merlin> References: <988227416.3581.0.camel@merlin> <3AE72D85.5B797443@ltiflex.com> <988234952.773.0.camel@merlin> <3AE74A2E.9BFA420F@ltiflex.com> <988294566.3379.0.camel@merlin> <3AE8360E.DE55DC60@ltiflex.com> <988297899.3380.4.camel@merlin> Message-ID: <988301296.1169.0.camel@merlin> That did it! I removed the PCMCIA stuff from the kernel, rebuilt the kernel and the pcmcia modules and everything is happy! Now I can get back to playing! I have to hunt around to see if the Canon proprietary RAW format (Canon PowerShot Pro90 IS) is readable by anything. Thanks for the help! This rocks! Dave On 26 Apr 2001 10:11:38 -0500, Dave Royer wrote: > OK. Thanks. That makes sense. I have been trying to use the PCMCIA > stuff in the kernel. > > I tried building the pcmcia-source package but was getting some strange > errors, but I will go and remove the PCMSIA stuff from the kernel and > recompile things. > > Dave > > > From tanner at real-time.com Thu Apr 26 11:36:11 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] G3 ppc and Yellowdog Linux In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1098A3@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 09:33:33AM -0500 References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1098A3@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010426113611.K13662@real-time.com> Quoting Austad, Jay (austad@marketwatch.com): > I read somewhere that Yellowdog has solved that problem, and you can now > boot from the yellowdog cd to do the install. No MacOS required. I think > it was on Linuxtoday.com awhile back. This might only work with certain > machines though. That is for "newer Macs" what ever that means. It's called yabl(?) or something like that. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jurick at abagency.com Thu Apr 26 12:08:49 2001 From: jurick at abagency.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting Tomorrow the 26th! In-Reply-To: <3AE83BA1.E2A40BD6@securecomputing.com> Message-ID: There is a driveway on D and on 8, It is just past Jake's Sports Cafe on D. If you are coming from the North on 8, you can't turn left into the driveway on 8 because there is a big 'ol median there. > > Well, I drive past everyday so you'd think I'd be a little more certain > of myself, but not actually having been to the establishment yet I'm not > certain where the driveway entrance is. > > Anyway, you'll turn west on D from 35W as you said, then you'll go > through the stop lights at 88 and turn right at the stop lights on Old > Hwy. 8. I think the driveway is the first right on 8. Either way the > Brewpub is right on the corner of 8 and D. > > > > > Not sure if anyone else mentioned this, but the map on the following > > > page is a little off. The Brewpub is actually between Old > Hwy 8 and Hwy > > > 88. The map would have you go off behind Godfather's and > such so if you > > > were heading east down County D you'd probably miss it. > > > > Can I ask you to be precise, since you seem to know the area? > > If people got off 35W heading west on D, where would they turn, > and which > > direction? > > > From jethro at yaron.org Thu Apr 26 12:25:02 2001 From: jethro at yaron.org (jethro@yaron.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting Tomorrow the 26th! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <988305902.3ae859ee18c67@dragon> So how do we find each other in these things? The table with all the laptops is TCLUG? -Yaron -- From alborchers at steinerpoint.com Thu Apr 26 12:36:49 2001 From: alborchers at steinerpoint.com (Al Borchers) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Connecting 2 linux boxes via USB? Message-ID: <3AE85CB1.845CD220@steinerpoint.com> Bob -- On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > Is it possible to hook 2 linux machine together via IP on top of USB? Haven't done this myself, but the USB Guide at http://www.linux-usb.org/USB-guide describes how to do this with the Prolific plusb USB driver and a special device/cable. Apparently there are many companies that make devices that work with this driver. There is actually a usb device in the cable that both hosts talk to. USB only allows hosts to connect to devices, not host to host directly. Hope that helps, -- Al From jacque at fruitioninc.com Thu Apr 26 13:11:16 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting Tomorrow the 26th! In-Reply-To: <988305902.3ae859ee18c67@dragon> Message-ID: Just tap into your "super linux geek" sense, it will never fail you. > So how do we find each other in these things? The table with all > the laptops is > TCLUG? > > -Yaron > From fertch at mninter.net Thu Apr 26 13:27:06 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Chipsets (was: Re: Buying stuff...) References: <20010426002046.41809.qmail@web11106.mail.yahoo.com> <20010426001138.68c09a5b.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <3AE83B9A.D4D534B8@eetc.com> <20010426105025.4fe9c1fd.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3AE8687A.B3AAB43D@mninter.net> Mike Hicks wrote: > There may be some hardware compatibility issues. I've heard rumblings > that SB Live!s might be bad components for boards with VIA chipsets, but > I'd be reluctant to blame a sound card.. Also, some people have suggested > that AGP video cards might exacerbate the problems. I'm running an Athlon 1GHz processor on a Biostar mkv7b mobo. Via chipset (though don't know the type. Bought it back in Oct.) and all. Although I don't have sound running, nor the Nvidia driver for Linux loaded it works good. No hardware issues at all. On the evil side, MS works just fine with this configuration including an SBLive X-Gamer board, with a Creative GeForce2 MX 32MB AGP video board. On the flipside, I only have a 250W powersupply in this machine and I don't seem to have any problems. I am looking at upgrading the PS, to about a 400W due to I want to add more components. Shawn From fertch at mninter.net Thu Apr 26 14:05:24 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Burners Message-ID: <3AE87174.DBAE4B51@mninter.net> I'm looking at buying a burner again. I'm kind of in a bind, so I'm looking for some others with more experience on this. The last time I played with a burner of my own was with a Ricoh SCSI 2x2x4 CD-RW. Thing was great until a bad fan on a PS fried it because of the heat. Here's what I'm looking at but can't decide. USB CD-RW burner- Portable, can switch between Linux and W2k laptops/desktops. Does 2.2.x kernel support this, or would I be better off going to the 2.4? Speed isn't really an issue on this decision. Internal SCSI CD-RW burner- No IDE drive for me. I've had bad luck with the IDE burners, and want to stay SCSI. Though, I can't find any locally, the stores look at me funny when I mention that I'm looking for one. Downside is that I can't port it around as easily as I can with a laptop. Anyone have good recommendations on these or other? I'm also looking at getting a tape backup. I've been looking at the VXA systems, anyone have experience with these things? Or is there a comparable unit out there that doesn't cost $900 for a 66GB BU system? Shawn From jethro at yaron.org Thu Apr 26 14:14:28 2001 From: jethro at yaron.org (jethro@yaron.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Burners In-Reply-To: <3AE87174.DBAE4B51@mninter.net> References: <3AE87174.DBAE4B51@mninter.net> Message-ID: <988312468.3ae87394de5b8@dragon> Hi, Quoting Shawn : > USB CD-RW burner- Portable, can switch between Linux and W2k > laptops/desktops. Does 2.2.x kernel support this, or would I be > better off going to the 2.4? Speed isn't really an issue on this decision. Um. I might be wrong, but I don't remember seeing suport for USB CDBurners even in 2.4. I have one rolling around at work and did try to get it going, but couldn't find anything. > Internal SCSI CD-RW burner- No IDE drive for me. Plextor. I've had my Plextor (it's a CDR, no RW) for almost 2 years and the only bad burns I've had were (A) Devective CDs, (B) Me pressing Ctrl-C, and (C) Cat-related errors. -Yaron -- From andy at theasis.com Thu Apr 26 14:43:50 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Burners In-Reply-To: <988312468.3ae87394de5b8@dragon> Message-ID: > > Internal SCSI CD-RW burner- No IDE drive for me. > > Plextor. I've had my Plextor (it's a CDR, no RW) for almost 2 years and the > only bad burns I've had were (A) Devective CDs, (B) Me pressing Ctrl-C, and (C) > Cat-related errors. I have 2 dead plextors sitting in a drawer. Plex wants way too much money to fix 'em. So I went and bought a Sony 8x4x32. In fact, it came in a kit, with an external case, along with an HP 40x drive. I paid just over $200 for the set. I ripped the drives out of the external case (where I'll one day put my tape drive) and stuck 'em in the tower. Works flawlessly. Andy > > -Yaron > > -- > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Thu Apr 26 14:44:05 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Burners In-Reply-To: <3AE87174.DBAE4B51@mninter.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, Shawn wrote: > Internal SCSI CD-RW burner- No IDE drive for me. I've had bad luck > with the IDE burners, and want to stay SCSI. Though, I can't find any > locally, the stores look at me funny when I mention that I'm looking for > one. Downside is that I can't port it around as easily as I can with a > laptop. > > > Anyone have good recommendations on these or other? I'm also looking at > getting a tape backup. I've been looking at the VXA systems, anyone > have experience with these things? Or is there a comparable unit out > there that doesn't cost $900 for a 66GB BU system? Unless the portability is a really big issue for you, I'd go tried and true, SCSI all the way. I can't help you too much with makes and models, but I'd add that when Sony stopped making the 900e (this was a $7000 industrial model) some of my old mastering colleagues found a couple of the Yamaha burners to be almost worthy substitutes. For commodity burners, I dunno. We all know SCSI is SCSI is SCSI, right? :) -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Apr 26 14:56:06 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:59 2005 Subject: DJB's (of qmail infamy) restrictive license (was [TCLUG] Stripping attachments in email) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 26 Apr 2001 08:39:39 CDT." <20010426083939.A16108@sherohman.org> References: <8794B3B640FED2118D8600C00D0020A593F368@ipserver2.interplastic.com> <20010425115220.C6240@sherohman.org> <20010426083939.A16108@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20010426195606.9D180181D7@skuld.wk> In message <20010426083939.A16108@sherohman.org>, Dave Sherohman writes: > DJB's not wrong to choose that restriction. IMO, he has every right > to dictate how his code may be used and this is not an unreasonable > restriction. RMS may have ethical problems with it, but I don't. IMHO, my disagreement with it comes from a Debian perspective, not an RMS one. DJB puts his application files in a non-standard hierarchy, one that violates Debian policy by default. Technically, by customizing the make process to put files in the right place in a Debian system, it would be considered an altered binary format; the very thing he is restricting distribution on. Currently, the only practical way to distribute qmail on Debian is by providing the source tarball with a patch and control file. The user can then download the source, build it, and install it with a command like: bash# apt-get source qmail --compile bash# dpkg --install There is ONE clause he could add to his license to make it more flexible but still retain the control he desires. That clause would be to allow binary distributions of altered source as long as both the original tarball and the patch used to alter it were made available by the packaging party. > However, from a practical standpoint, I think it's a bad choice. As a > developer, I'm less likely to burn my time working on a project that > I can't fork if the maintainer is completely unreasonable[1] or for > some reason stops maintaining the project. Any decision which causes > developers to turn away reduces the value of the open source process. > If many eyeballs make all bugs shallow, then fewer eyeballs will leave > places for bugs to hide. I would agree with you here, wholeheartedly. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD From simeonuj at eetc.com Thu Apr 26 15:12:44 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PPTP client -- HELP Message-ID: <3AE8810B.1D79127D@eetc.com> How do I install the PPTP client? I downloaded the RPM and src files and tried to install them. Got them from here -- http://www.scooter.cx/alpha/pptp.html I am wondering if this has 128 bit encryption? I think it need some kernel patches to get any kind of encryption with the ppp daemon. Not sure what the patches are though. This is a newer version of the PPTP client and I don't know if these HOWTO's are correct and more -- http://personal.rdu.bellsouth.net/rdu/t/a/tayljl/linux-pptp-client/linux-pptp-client-setup.html Are these now incorporated into the kernel or the above package from scooter.cx? I am using the 2.2.19 kernel ( because I can't get the 2.4.running without some major upgrades ) w/ Redhat 6.2. Is it incorporated into this kernel yet? I don't think so. Is there a different client that has the 128 bit encryption or is this the only client there is? What patches are needed? I have no idea how to do this and am a bit lost. I'm new to patching kernels. Any help would be appreciated. sim From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Apr 26 15:29:42 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Burners Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1098A5@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> The TDK VeloCD 16x is a good IDE drive but I don't think they make it in SCSI version. However, the Yamaha Lightspeed 16x comes in SCSI, and it's around $260 on pricescan.com. It also has burn-proof, no more coasters! We have a few IDE 16x burners, and you only get about 10-12x with them. The SCSI ones will actually do 16x. I don't know why this is, as 16 x 150k/sec is still not anywhere near the max transfer speed of the IDE bus. I'd look at the Yamaha Lightspeed 16X SCSI. That's what I'm going to buy for my new box. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Phil Mendelsohn [mailto:mend0070@tc.umn.edu] > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 2:44 PM > To: tc-luglist > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Burners > > > On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, Shawn wrote: > > > Internal SCSI CD-RW burner- No IDE drive for me. I've had bad luck > > with the IDE burners, and want to stay SCSI. Though, I > can't find any > > locally, the stores look at me funny when I mention that > I'm looking for > > one. Downside is that I can't port it around as easily as > I can with a > > laptop. > > > > > > Anyone have good recommendations on these or other? I'm > also looking at > > getting a tape backup. I've been looking at the VXA > systems, anyone > > have experience with these things? Or is there a > comparable unit out > > there that doesn't cost $900 for a 66GB BU system? > > Unless the portability is a really big issue for you, I'd go tried and > true, SCSI all the way. I can't help you too much with makes > and models, > but I'd add that when Sony stopped making the 900e (this was a $7000 > industrial model) some of my old mastering colleagues found a > couple of > the Yamaha burners to be almost worthy substitutes. > > For commodity burners, I dunno. We all know SCSI is SCSI is SCSI, > right? :) > > -- > "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Thu Apr 26 16:53:31 2001 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: The Voices for Choices guys Message-ID: Anyone hear or see the commercial for these guys? http://www.voicesforchoices.com/ Any comment? Is anyone going to sign their petition? Other somewhat related articles: http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1004-200-5715173.html http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nyt/20010421/bs/sitting_pretty_how_baby_bells_may_conquer_their_world_1.html From chrome at real-time.com Thu Apr 26 17:19:45 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Buying stuff... In-Reply-To: ; from brian@ghostreactor.com on Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 08:12:20PM +0000 References: <20010426002046.41809.qmail@web11106.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20010426171945.B23410@real-time.com> > would suggest the asus A7VM and for pc133 i would suggest asus A7V. Both > boards are top of the line in there respctive areas and both have ata100 > controlers onboard. really crappy ATA100 controllers, IMHO. I've got an A7V, and if I have more than 1 device plugged into the ATA100 controller, Linux refuses to boot. (gets to the point of trying to detect the IDE drives, and hangs there). I'm told that the latest BIOS may fix this; so I'll have to give it a try some weekend. I don't have confidence, tho. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From natecars at real-time.com Thu Apr 26 18:01:15 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] www.mn-linux.org and ftp.mn-linux.org offline 4/30-5/1 Message-ID: www.mn-linux.org and ftp.mn-linux.org will be offline starting midnight on Monday, 4/30, and will come back online around 6:00 am on Tuesday, 5/1. We are in the process of switching all of our machines to a new netblock, and it's come time for the web & ftp server to move. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From thekremer at mn.mediaone.net Thu Apr 26 18:24:50 2001 From: thekremer at mn.mediaone.net (Justin Kremer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Burners In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1098A5@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <200104262326.f3QNQmx28384@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> On 26 Apr 2001 15:29:42 -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > We have a few IDE 16x burners, and you only get about 10-12x with them. The > SCSI ones will actually do 16x. I don't know why this is, as 16 x 150k/sec > is still not anywhere near the max transfer speed of the IDE bus. um...got anything else on that IDE bus? that would be why. IDE sucks, and I really need to get away from it...anyone know of any decent, fairly cheap (as far as scsi controllers go. i realize nothing's gonna actually be cheap) LVD or Ultra160 cards out there? Easy to get working with linux is always a plus, too... BTW I'd love to make it to a beer meeting some time...if you guys ever have them at a place that allows people under 21 I know someone asked about that earlier, but I didn't notice any response to it. Thanks, - Kremer From bradyh at bitstream.net Thu Apr 26 18:46:44 2001 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (brady) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] www.mn-linux.org and ftp.mn-linux.org offline 4/30-5/1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20010426182935.00950910@mail.bitstream.net> I hope I can get connected tomorrow. I have a machine that's been sitting asking for disk 2 of the Redhat 7.1 install for the last couple of days while I get "too many users of your type..." I want to say that I really appreciate you guys providing such a great service. And once I get the disk 2 iso I'll especially appreciate it. ;-) Hey does anybody know why someone would be trying to log onto my machine with the userid "bogusbogus"? I'm guessing they were checking to see if my machine had been cracked by somebody (or a kit) that created an user with that name. Does that sound right? Brady >www.mn-linux.org and ftp.mn-linux.org will be offline starting midnight on >Monday, 4/30, and will come back online around 6:00 am on Tuesday, 5/1. > >We are in the process of switching all of our machines to a new netblock, >and it's come time for the web & ftp server to move. :) > >-- >Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 >http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~ "Since we're going to die anyway we might as well be thinking something really stupid." - Nothing Man (leader of the "Brotherhood of Dada") From dd-b at dd-b.net Thu Apr 26 19:08:30 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:19:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Stripping attachments in email In-Reply-To: <20010426083939.A16108@sherohman.org> References: <8794B3B640FED2118D8600C00D0020A593F368@ipserver2.interplastic.com> <20010425115220.C6240@sherohman.org> <20010426083939.A16108@sherohman.org> Message-ID: Dave Sherohman writes: > On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 09:48:30PM -0500, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > > Dave Sherohman writes: > > > You're not allowed to distribute modified binaries of qmail. If you make a > > > change, it won't be available to anyone else unless either that someone else > > > is willing to compile from source or DJB makes it part of the official > > > version. Forking is right out. > > > > And some people say this is a *bad* thing. Sheesh. > > Depends on what you mean by "bad". > > DJB's not wrong to choose that restriction. IMO, he has every right > to dictate how his code may be used and this is not an unreasonable > restriction. RMS may have ethical problems with it, but I don't. > > However, from a practical standpoint, I think it's a bad choice. As a > developer, I'm less likely to burn my time working on a project that > I can't fork if the maintainer is completely unreasonable[1] or for > some reason stops maintaining the project. Any decision which causes > developers to turn away reduces the value of the open source process. > If many eyeballs make all bugs shallow, then fewer eyeballs will leave > places for bugs to hide. The great weakness of open source is the lack of firm central control; you tend to descend into glitz and feeping creaturism. Which is exactly what DJB wishes to avoid, and does avoid. As a sysadmin, I value the performance and security of his code. And it's not clear to me that more eyeballs have actually paid any attention to the source code of many open source projects. The number of people who've read qmail well enough to propose or release patches is quite high. Then there's the even greater imponderable of the relative value of various eyeballs. > [1] Although I've never dealt with him and have no opinion of my own > on the topic, many people seem to think that DJB is already unreasonable > by default. In online interactions he seems abrupt and uncompromising. And not much interested in justifying his decisions, either, beyond the first exchange or two. -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From dd-b at dd-b.net Thu Apr 26 22:13:57 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] www.mn-linux.org and ftp.mn-linux.org offline 4/30-5/1 In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20010426182935.00950910@mail.bitstream.net> References: <4.2.0.58.20010426182935.00950910@mail.bitstream.net> Message-ID: brady writes: > I hope I can get connected tomorrow. I have a machine that's been > sitting asking for disk 2 of the Redhat 7.1 install for the last > couple of days while I get "too many users of your type..." I've got the 7.1 ISOs here -- I could burn you a CD if you want to come by and grab it. It was amusing, in a macabre sort of way -- I grabbed the Mandrake 8 ISOs from a site in Sweden and got better than 90KB/s throughput on both transfers, but I got 20KB/s getting the Redhat 7.1 ISOs from a machine in the same city. (So precisely 20KB/s that I suspect rate-limiting :-) ) I just tried Winzip on one of the 7.1 ISOs; it cut 100MB off it. Presumably gzip or bzip2 would do even better especially with the right options. Given the download crunches, might it not be sensible to make them available for download that way? > I want to say that I really appreciate you guys providing such a great > service. And once I get the disk 2 iso I'll especially appreciate it. > ;-) > > Hey does anybody know why someone would be trying to log onto my > machine with the userid "bogusbogus"? I'm guessing they were checking > to see if my machine had been cracked by somebody (or a kit) that > created an user with that name. Does that sound right? That sounds plausible, but I don't follow exploits closely enough to actually recognize it. I take it this happens often? If it's pretty rarely, it could also be somebody picking you at semi-random (I often use friend's machines for this sort of thing) to test connectivity by starting a connection that I never intended to complete. I sometimes send email that I *want* to bounce to see what the bounce message looks like, for example, and it goes to usernames like "bounceme". -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From moorenate at uswest.net Thu Apr 26 23:03:32 2001 From: moorenate at uswest.net (Nate Moore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Samba problems Message-ID: <3AE8EF94.5000009@uswest.net> Greetings all. I am having a bit of difficulty setting up samba on my Linux-mandrake 8.0 system. Thought maybe some of you would have suggestions. As far as I can tell all the software and drivers are up and running properly. The way I have my network configured is as follows. I have dsl running into the cisco 675 router, which outputs to a hub connecting the network. There are 3 boxes on the net. 2 are win98 and my linux box. All the boxes pull down ip's via dhcp from the router over the hub. the ip's are all in the 10.0.0.* range. Currently I am able to access the net on my linux box, but can't see the win98 machines. I have tried my luck at setting up samba with SWAT, to no avail. anything I should be looking for right off the bat? or anything to check. I have looked over some how-to's at linuxnewbie, and the standard linux how-to, and it seems that I am doing everything right. anyhoo, let me know if you have thoughts. -nate From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Thu Apr 26 23:54:27 2001 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Samba problems Message-ID: Nate, When you say 'see' the win98 boxes, exactly what do you mean? You cannot ping them? You cannot access their shares smbclient? You cannot mount their shares via smbfs? Is there a KDE samba utility being used? What is the netmask and other IP info these boxes get (/sbin/ifconfig)? I need more info to know what the problem is, Troy >>> moorenate@uswest.net 04/26/01 11:03PM >>> All the boxes pull down ip's via dhcp from the router over the hub. the ip's are all in the 10.0.0.* range. Currently I am able to access the net on my linux box, but can't see the win98 machines. From dieman at ringworld.org Fri Apr 27 00:52:37 2001 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MSN anyone? Message-ID: <20010427005237.O7366@ringworld.org> http://www.startribune.com/viewers/qview/cgi/qview.cgi?template=tech_a_cache&slug=dsl27 As part of the agreement, Qwest will shift its 500,000 consumer Internet access customers in the 14 states it serves to Microsoft's MSN Internet access service. Qwest then will discontinue its own consumer Internet service provider (ISP) business this summer. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010427/44b23e6e/attachment.pgp From jethro at freakzilla.com Fri Apr 27 07:34:52 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MSN anyone? In-Reply-To: <20010427005237.O7366@ringworld.org> Message-ID: Hi, On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, Scott Dier wrote: > As part of the agreement, Qwest will shift its 500,000 consumer Internet > access customers in the 14 states it serves to Microsoft's MSN Internet > access service. Qwest then will discontinue its own consumer Internet > service provider (ISP) business this summer. Yeesh! Time to switch over to Real-Time! Oh wait (: -Yaron -- From kent at structural-wood.com Fri Apr 27 07:59:43 2001 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MSN anyone? References: Message-ID: <3AE96D3F.16A26F6B@structural-wood.com> Yaron wrote: > > Hi, > > On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, Scott Dier wrote: > > > As part of the agreement, Qwest will shift its 500,000 consumer Internet > > access customers in the 14 states it serves to Microsoft's MSN Internet > > access service. Qwest then will discontinue its own consumer Internet > > service provider (ISP) business this summer. > > Yeesh! Time to switch over to Real-Time! Oh wait (: > I was just thinking about getting a cable modem because of this. How painless would it be to switch to Real-Time? From jethro at freakzilla.com Fri Apr 27 08:09:24 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MSN anyone? In-Reply-To: <3AE96D3F.16A26F6B@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, Kent Schumacher wrote: > I was just thinking about getting a cable modem because of this. How > painless would it be to switch to Real-Time? Probably just call them up and sign up. I think the majority of the people who run Real-Time are on the list, so they're somewhat more qualified to answer (: -Yaron -- From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Fri Apr 27 08:12:41 2001 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MSN anyone? In-Reply-To: <20010427005237.O7366@ringworld.org>; from dieman@ringworld.org on Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 12:52:37AM -0500 References: <20010427005237.O7366@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010427081241.A23283@sorry.cs.umn.edu> On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 12:52:37AM -0500, Scott Dier wrote: > http://www.startribune.com/viewers/qview/cgi/qview.cgi?template=tech_a_cache&slug=dsl27 > > As part of the agreement, Qwest will shift its 500,000 consumer Internet > access customers in the 14 states it serves to Microsoft's MSN Internet > access service. Qwest then will discontinue its own consumer Internet > service provider (ISP) business this summer. > Although this is frightening, the article doesn't make clear if this will effect _all_ of Qwest's DSL customers or if it will only effect those who use uswest.net (or whatever it's called now) as their ISP. From ben at nerp.net Fri Apr 27 08:14:11 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MSN anyone? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- majority? I thought it was a company requirement. ;) Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, Yaron wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, Kent Schumacher wrote: > > > I was just thinking about getting a cable modem because of this. How > > painless would it be to switch to Real-Time? > > Probably just call them up and sign up. I think the majority of the people > who run Real-Time are on the list, so they're somewhat more qualified to > answer (: > > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBOulwpMtpDhsSpvgtAQF1eQQAnh9H2m4s8O23/ZSxAYw7hj4YxiH3MK9y YCa6/jILubX3KBAd5u7QmOTSsJZZZGY3xoEzp++bf7CAPDiw13mPkBz/E6rcC1k9 Wf1dDk7Rtx8fXoX7iONVojppX2b6xs0RndrowkscrLrcEKf8eRXrC9kvQmAavwp1 U/+6QW1nNHM= =kOej -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jethro at freakzilla.com Fri Apr 27 08:16:00 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MSN anyone? In-Reply-To: <20010427081241.A23283@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: Hi, On Fri, 27 Apr 2001 dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > actually resell the DSL line, just the access. Will those of us who pay > Qwest for our physical DSL line and a non-Qwest ISP for our access be > screwed by this? Will they put Microsoft in direct control of the > cloud, or just dealing out the IP addresses? Since Qwest are pretty much physical-wire people, I'm going to assume they're just spinning off their ISP devision. -Yaron -- From fertch at mninter.net Fri Apr 27 08:21:34 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: The Voices for Choices guys References: Message-ID: <3AE9725E.3DCC9F81@mninter.net> I caught the tail end of a TV ad. Was wondering what it was about. Thanks for the links, will have to read up on this. Troy Johnson wrote: > > Anyone hear or see the commercial for these guys? > > http://www.voicesforchoices.com/ > > Any comment? Is anyone going to sign their petition? > > Other somewhat related articles: > > http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1004-200-5715173.html > > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nyt/20010421/bs/sitting_pretty_how_baby_bells_may_conquer_their_world_1.html From kent at structural-wood.com Fri Apr 27 08:16:19 2001 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MSN anyone? References: <3AE96D3F.16A26F6B@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <3AE97123.D92A92B3@structural-wood.com> Kent Schumacher wrote: > > Yaron wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, Scott Dier wrote: > > > > > As part of the agreement, Qwest will shift its 500,000 consumer Internet > > > access customers in the 14 states it serves to Microsoft's MSN Internet > > > access service. Qwest then will discontinue its own consumer Internet > > > service provider (ISP) business this summer. > > > > Yeesh! Time to switch over to Real-Time! Oh wait (: > > > > I was just thinking about getting a cable modem because of this. How > painless would it be to switch to Real-Time? Whoops, I guess I know what I'm trying to say there, although it's hard to see how anyone could guess from what I typed. Let's try again... I'm thinking of changing my ISP and possibly my connection because of this Qwest/MSN nonsense. If I decided to stay with DSL, how painfull would it be to switch to Real-Time? From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Fri Apr 27 08:21:48 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MSN anyone? In-Reply-To: <20010427081241.A23283@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Apr 2001 dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > >From the article: > > "Bozich said several hundred ISPs which resell Qwest's DSL service to their > customers won't be affected by the Microsoft deal." > > So, in the case of ISPs like Real-Time, VISI, Sound, etc, they don't > actually resell the DSL line, just the access. Will those of us who pay > Qwest for our physical DSL line and a non-Qwest ISP for our access be > screwed by this? I don't know that anyone will actually get screwed, but I'm having a hard time seeing how things will get any better because of this. > Will they put Microsoft in direct control of the cloud, or just > dealing out the IP addresses? Uffda. I would think that Mr. Boies and the other boys (and girls) at the DoJ would have a little interest in this. Wouldn't that be ironic if it played a part in breakup legislation / negotiations? Phil M -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From clay at fandre.com Fri Apr 27 08:47:52 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MSN anyone? References: <3AE96D3F.16A26F6B@structural-wood.com> <3AE97123.D92A92B3@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <3AE97888.CB818358@fandre.com> Kent Schumacher wrote: > > Kent Schumacher wrote: > > > > Yaron wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, Scott Dier wrote: > > > > > > > As part of the agreement, Qwest will shift its 500,000 consumer Internet > > > > access customers in the 14 states it serves to Microsoft's MSN Internet > > > > access service. Qwest then will discontinue its own consumer Internet > > > > service provider (ISP) business this summer. > > > > > > Yeesh! Time to switch over to Real-Time! Oh wait (: > > > > > > > I was just thinking about getting a cable modem because of this. How > > painless would it be to switch to Real-Time? > > Whoops, I guess I know what I'm trying to say there, although it's hard > to see how anyone could guess from what I typed. Let's try again... > > I'm thinking of changing my ISP and possibly my connection because of this > Qwest/MSN nonsense. If I decided to stay with DSL, how painfull would it > be to switch to Real-Time? Actually it's pretty darn easy if you already get DSL service from Qwest. A friend of mine did the switch from Qwest to Real-time a few months ago without any problems. My only questions is, why haven't you guys switched over to Real-time already? We all know they have great support, you get a block of IPs, and they even give the TCLUG deals from time-to-time. Plus Bob never sleeps so he's always there to answer your questions. Rumor has it that they're Linux friendly too. ;-) From kent at structural-wood.com Fri Apr 27 09:13:52 2001 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MSN anyone? References: <3AE96D3F.16A26F6B@structural-wood.com> <3AE97123.D92A92B3@structural-wood.com> <3AE97888.CB818358@fandre.com> Message-ID: <3AE97E9F.3C089DE0@structural-wood.com> Clay Fandre wrote: > > Kent Schumacher wrote: > > > > Kent Schumacher wrote: > > > > > > Yaron wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, Scott Dier wrote: > > > > > > > > > As part of the agreement, Qwest will shift its 500,000 consumer Internet > > > > > access customers in the 14 states it serves to Microsoft's MSN Internet > > > > > access service. Qwest then will discontinue its own consumer Internet > > > > > service provider (ISP) business this summer. > > > > > > > > Yeesh! Time to switch over to Real-Time! Oh wait (: > > > > > > > > > > I was just thinking about getting a cable modem because of this. How > > > painless would it be to switch to Real-Time? > > > > Whoops, I guess I know what I'm trying to say there, although it's hard > > to see how anyone could guess from what I typed. Let's try again... > > > > I'm thinking of changing my ISP and possibly my connection because of this > > Qwest/MSN nonsense. If I decided to stay with DSL, how painfull would it > > be to switch to Real-Time? > > Actually it's pretty darn easy if you already get DSL service from > Qwest. A friend of mine did the switch from Qwest to Real-time a few > months ago without any problems. My only questions is, why haven't you > guys switched over to Real-time already? We all know they have great > support, you get a block of IPs, and they even give the TCLUG deals from > time-to-time. Plus Bob never sleeps so he's always there to answer your > questions. > > Rumor has it that they're Linux friendly too. ;-) Although I always expect to get swallowed by a newly opened chasm whenever I say this, I have never had a problem with Qwest as a phone/DSL/ISP provider. (This is at home, at work I have a never ending list of Qwest crap). I ended up with Qwest as an ISP, because at the time I installed DSL no one else was providing DSL ISP services, and it was painless to go with Qwest. And I have been tempted by Bob and his Real-Time services (whoo hoo!) - that's why I'm asking... :^) From jwanderson at uswest.net Fri Apr 27 09:20:30 2001 From: jwanderson at uswest.net (Jay W. Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MSN anyone? In-Reply-To: <3AE97888.CB818358@fandre.com> Message-ID: <200104271420.f3REKWL16899@sprite.real-time.com> On 27 Apr 01, at 8:47, Clay Fandre wrote: > > Kent Schumacher wrote: > > I'm thinking of changing my ISP and possibly my connection because of this > > Qwest/MSN nonsense. If I decided to stay with DSL, how painfull would it > > be to switch to Real-Time? > > Actually it's pretty darn easy if you already get DSL service from > Qwest. A friend of mine did the switch from Qwest to Real-time a few > months ago without any problems. My only questions is, why haven't you > guys switched over to Real-time already? We all know they have great > support, you get a block of IPs, and they even give the TCLUG deals from > time-to-time. Plus Bob never sleeps so he's always there to answer your > questions. > > Rumor has it that they're Linux friendly too. ;-) Good answer Clay- {;-P> I switched over last fall. It went real smoothly once Qwest got around to taking care of things on their end. The only problem was that Qwest's left hand didn't know what the right hand was up to. I got a mail stating that I would be 2 or 3 days before the change would occur and that night I had no service because they switched me during the day. Weird... Jay From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Apr 27 09:33:24 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] www.mn-linux.org and ftp.mn-linux.or g offline 4/30-5/1 Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1098B0@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> > > Hey does anybody know why someone would be trying to log onto my > > machine with the userid "bogusbogus"? I'm guessing they > were checking > > to see if my machine had been cracked by somebody (or a kit) that > > created an user with that name. Does that sound right? bogusbogus was a backdoor account in WFTP. I think WFTP is a windows program so you don't have anything to worry about. You can check though, the password was "soogjksjka". Jay From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Apr 27 09:48:25 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] www.mn-linux.org and ftp.mn-linux.or g offline 4/30-5/1 Message-ID: <3ae986b9.2932.269167349@cloudnet.com> > bogusbogus was a backdoor account in WFTP. I think WFTP > is a windows > program so you don't have anything to worry about. I just love seeing script kiddies try this sort of stuff under linux. Running Win nukes against my box, one guy was trying to log into my web email interface using NT defualt account names. Oh well, at least it puts something entertaining into syslog. :-) From pc451 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 27 09:54:15 2001 From: pc451 at yahoo.com (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Forgive me! I'm asking YAQAD! Message-ID: <20010427145415.11804.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> YAQAD: Yet Another Question About DSL. I really feel guilty, almost dirty, for inflicting this on the list, but...what can I do? I need a fast internet connection. (Of course, carrier pigeons might be faster than my 56k modem.) Anywho, I glanced at Qwest's site and learned that there is yet another promo going on. (These promos suspiciously start five days after the last one ends. I know, because the last promo, with similar deals, ended Mar 31, and this one started April 4. Hmm...) See this site for details: http://www.qwest.com/dsl/learn/promo.html So. Way at the bottom there is a mention of the Intel 3200 USB modem. Now, I know that the Intel 2200 PCI modem should be avoided like a flea-ridden, plague infect rat. However, has anyone heard about the USB version under Linux? The reason I ask is because I am cheap. The Cisco 67x, even at the low, low price of $195, is still a little steep. The USB modem is free. However, what makes me nervous is that the USB modem has the warning: "Will not work with Windows 95, NT4 nor Macintosh operating systems." Now the first two are granted. But Macintosh? Didn't USB first come to the Mac? Little red flashing light warn: "Warning! Proprietary voodoo!" I guess if it's Intel... Second, would anyone care to offer the web page of their favorite DSL ISP? I found Real-Time's, and the deal looks good, but I like shopping around. Third, does anyone second the motion that there should be a FAQ for this group that specifically lists the different options for cable/DSL in the TC area? This is a really popular subject (which is why I feel ashamed for bringing it up again) that perhaps deserves to be addressed in a comprehensive manner. I will now offer up a virgin mouse to the SCSI gods as penitance... :Peter __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Apr 27 09:55:53 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Burners Message-ID: <3ae98879.2eff.269167349@cloudnet.com> > I'd love to make it to a beer meeting some time...if you > guys ever have > them at a place that allows people under 21 > I know someone asked about that earlier, but I didn't > notice any > response to it. As I understand it, Jacque only chooses places that allow minors. At least that's what was talked about when these things started. Is this still true Jacque? It's too bad you had to miss last night's beer meeting. We had a lot of people, and it was a lot of fun. From natecars at real-time.com Fri Apr 27 10:04:31 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MSN anyone? In-Reply-To: <3AE96D3F.16A26F6B@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, Kent Schumacher wrote: > I was just thinking about getting a cable modem because of this. How > painless would it be to switch to Real-Time? Just e-mail sales@real-time.com (or call 952-943-8700 and ask for Dennis).. pretty simple. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Fri Apr 27 10:06:28 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MSN anyone? In-Reply-To: <3AE97888.CB818358@fandre.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, Clay Fandre wrote: > time-to-time. Plus Bob never sleeps so he's always there to answer your > questions. Actually, it is rumored that he does indeed sleep.. that's why we get yelled at if we ever page him in the morning. :) > Rumor has it that they're Linux friendly too. ;-) Linux friendly? What's Linux? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Fri Apr 27 10:05:20 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MSN anyone? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, Ben Kochie wrote: > majority? I thought it was a company requirement. ;) Nah, 2 people here aren't on TCLUG... -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From pc451 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 27 10:06:02 2001 From: pc451 at yahoo.com (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Foiling script kiddies In-Reply-To: <3ae986b9.2932.269167349@cloudnet.com> Message-ID: <20010427150602.1613.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> --- Brian wrote: > > bogusbogus was a backdoor account in WFTP. I think WFTP > > is a windows > > program so you don't have anything to worry about. > > I just love seeing script kiddies try this sort of stuff > under linux. Running Win nukes against my box, one guy was > trying to log into my web email interface using NT defualt > account names. Oh well, at least it puts something > entertaining into syslog. :-) Maybe now would be a good time to ask a question that I have been wondering about for some time. Is there any way to have a box give a false identity for its OS? For example, have Linux tell the outside world that it is really NT4? That way, any s'kiddie that comes along with his arsenal of l33t cracks sees, "Oh! NT! Let me try this..." and gives the sysadmin something to chuckle about in the syslog. Is this even remotely a good idea? Of course, you wouldn't want to build your entire defense around it, but just as an additional measure to throw kiddies off. Or would it cause too many problems for regular operations? I can't imagine that it would be too much of a problem for a single computer connected to the net, such as mine. RFC, please. :Peter (Who thinks that it would be interesting to identify his computer as running CP/M or something like that...) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From pc451 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 27 10:11:48 2001 From: pc451 at yahoo.com (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE:buying hardware In-Reply-To: <3AE8467C.CD81AAA4@sihope.com> Message-ID: <20010427151148.21409.qmail@web11106.mail.yahoo.com> --- AAAunderground wrote: > > 4. Where can I get some cool computer badges? (Those are the > little > > 1x1 plastic-covered stickers that go on the front of a computer.) I > > googled and found a couple of companies, but most are either > overseas > > or only sell in bulk. A badge with Tux would be a step in the right > > direction, I think. > Just DIY Would love to. Only problem, how? I don't know where I could find the plastic covers. I mean, just sticking a home made sticker on my brand new box would seem...amateurish. Granted, this is a very small thing. I'll probably just go and get the "Linux Inside" badge from LinuxMall (only ~$5.50, including shipping & handling). See this site: http://linuxmall.com/shop/01807 > I know I guy that has been repairing monitors for 30 years. He always > hooks me up with great deals on big monitors. I just bought a couple > months ago a RasterOps 20" for $200. Usually has 17" for under a > buck. Hello! Would you mind sharing this fabulous resource, or is it a secret? Thanks, :Peter __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Fri Apr 27 10:14:36 2001 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Forgive me! I'm asking YAQAD! In-Reply-To: <20010427145415.11804.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com>; from pc451@yahoo.com on Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 07:54:15AM -0700 References: <20010427145415.11804.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20010427101436.E23283@sorry.cs.umn.edu> > So. Way at the bottom there is a mention of the Intel 3200 USB > modem. Now, I know that the Intel 2200 PCI modem should be avoided like > a flea-ridden, plague infect rat. However, has anyone heard about the > USB version under Linux? The reason I ask is because I am cheap. The > Cisco 67x, even at the low, low price of $195, is still a little steep. > The USB modem is free. However, what makes me nervous is that the USB > modem has the warning: "Will not work with Windows 95, NT4 nor > Macintosh operating systems." Now the first two are granted. But > Macintosh? Didn't USB first come to the Mac? Little red flashing light > warn: "Warning! Proprietary voodoo!" I guess if it's Intel... I'm guessing that it will only work with windows at the moment. The fact that it's USB might give it a better chance of working with Linux (or *BSD) in the future. IIRC, USB wasn't first on the Mac. It could be that they use some proprietary software to drive the thing and they don't have a Mac version of it. > Second, would anyone care to offer the web page of their favorite > DSL ISP? I found Real-Time's, and the deal looks good, but I like > shopping around. I use Sound Internet (www.scc.net). They're just down the road from where I live in St. Paul and they're pretty good. 19.95/mo. I know a lot of people who use Visi (www.visi.com) and love them. They just recently lowered their price to 19.95/mo, I believe. > Third, does anyone second the motion that there should be a FAQ for > this group that specifically lists the different options for cable/DSL > in the TC area? This is a really popular subject (which is why I feel > ashamed for bringing it up again) that perhaps deserves to be addressed > in a comprehensive manner. I second it. Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Get out of my trash! I'm telling you for the last time! A man works hard for his filth, just to have vagrants steal it. It's a cryin' shame." - George Liquor in "The Boy Who Cried Rat!" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From administrator at ltiflex.com Fri Apr 27 10:38:57 2001 From: administrator at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Forgive me! I'm asking YAQAD! References: <20010427145415.11804.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3AE99291.E5C90F4D@ltiflex.com> > has anyone heard about the USB version under Linux? > The reason I ask is because I am cheap. This will always get you into trouble with hardware. No, haven't heard anything about a USB based DSL modem under Linux. All I can say is...kinda defeats the purpose of DSL when you limit it to what bandwith you can pull over you USB bus... > Cisco 67x, even at the low, low price of $195, is still a little steep. If you don't like paying for the modem, get cable service or run Windows. > Third, does anyone second the motion that there should be a FAQ for > this group that specifically lists the different options for cable/DSL > in the TC area? This is a really popular subject (which is why I feel > ashamed for bringing it up again) that perhaps deserves to be addressed > in a comprehensive manner. Yes! We need something, somewhere, and someone though. Perhaps a group effort even. I could contribute some time, but I don't want to be the only one. ;) > I will now offer up a virgin mouse to the SCSI gods as penitance... I'm sorry, your vergin mouse has been defiled: http://www.ringworld.org/~zibby/media/mouse-sex.gif > Do You Yahoo!? No, I do not. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Apr 27 10:44:16 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MSN anyone? In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 08:16:00AM -0500 References: <20010427081241.A23283@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010427104416.Q7366@ringworld.org> * Yaron [010427 08:23]: > Since Qwest are pretty much physical-wire people, I'm going to assume > they're just spinning off their ISP devision. Actually, just selling their consumer users. Business users will still have qwest.net -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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But I don't think anyone will be fooled if they telnet to the box and see Connected to ntbox.home.com Escape character is '^]'. Windows NT Server 4.0 ntbox ntbox login: More significantly, though, OS fingerprinting tools rely on quirks of the TCP stack to recognize a host's OS, so you're not going to fool them without rewriting substantial hunks of your kernel. -- That's not gibberish... It's Linux. - Byers, The Lone Gunmen Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Fri Apr 27 10:51:00 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Forgive me! I'm asking YAQAD! In-Reply-To: <3AE99291.E5C90F4D@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, Andy Zbikowski wrote: > > Cisco 67x, even at the low, low price of $195, is still a little steep. > If you don't like paying for the modem, get cable service or run Windows. Or wait till there's more info on the Telocity deal. You get the use of the modem free. > > Third, does anyone second the motion that there should be a FAQ for > > this group that specifically lists the different options for cable/DSL > > in the TC area? This is a really popular subject (which is why I feel > > ashamed for bringing it up again) that perhaps deserves to be addressed > > in a comprehensive manner. > > Yes! We need something, somewhere, and someone though. Perhaps a group > effort even. I could contribute some time, but I don't want to be the only > one. ;) I'll help, provided people inform me when I make a mistake. > > Do You Yahoo!? > No, I do not. That's good, you'll go blind. -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From blutgens at sistina.com Fri Apr 27 10:53:37 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ssh shell restriction Message-ID: <20010427105337.A25352@minime.sistina.com> all, we are opening up cvs access for LVM to the community on a per developer basis. I want the developers to use CVS_RSH=ssh, the problem is in order for this to work I need to have thier account have a valid login shell, I also need to be able to prevent them from being able to run ssh cvs.sistina.com /bin/bash and getting a shell that way too. All donations greatly appreciated. I asked the sourceforge people and they told me in no uncertain terms "We won't help you with matters not directly related to sourceforge" they really lost my respect there. TIA all -- Ben Lutgens cell: XXX.XXX.XXXX Sistina Software Inc. work: XXX.XXX.XXXX Mailing list admin / Punching Bag (and sorta sysadmin guy) http://www.sistina.com/ <--- great software http://www.gentoo.org/ <--- great distro Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream <--- perfect error message -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010427/9545ca05/attachment.pgp From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Apr 27 11:17:36 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Forgive me! I'm asking YAQAD! In-Reply-To: <3AE99291.E5C90F4D@ltiflex.com> References: <20010427145415.11804.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> <3AE99291.E5C90F4D@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <20010427111736.5bd34f68.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Andy Zbikowski wrote: > > > has anyone heard about the USB version under Linux? > > The reason I ask is because I am cheap. > This will always get you into trouble with hardware. No, haven't heard > anything about a USB based DSL modem under Linux. All I can say > is...kinda defeats the purpose of DSL when you limit it to what bandwith > you can pull over you USB bus... Eh? I thought the baseline for USB was 12 Mbps. I know that there are a lot of USB devices that run at slower speeds (I was very disappointed in a camera I used that ran at the same speed on serial and USB, for instance), but there's more than enough room there for DSL. Just a random thought: Why has USB (12 Mbps) been so successful while FireWire (400+ Mbps) has been very slowly adopted? Heck, I never even heard of USB until I saw it on a motherboard, while FireWire had been discussed in the trade press for years beforehand. Was there something to do with licensing? Standards? Just the fact that Apple was a principal character in FireWire? -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ The voters have spoken, / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ the bastards... \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From ben at nerp.net Fri Apr 27 11:21:32 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Foiling script kiddies In-Reply-To: <20010427104651.G5817@sherohman.org> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- according to a recent honeypot/honeynet article, there _are_ software addons for doing the TCP fingerprint spoofing. tho they may be commercial. also other service quirks spoofing. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 08:06:02AM -0700, Peter Clark wrote: > > Maybe now would be a good time to ask a question that I have been > > wondering about for some time. Is there any way to have a box give a > > false identity for its OS? For example, have Linux tell the outside > > world that it is really NT4? > > You could set up a superficial appearance, sure. But I don't think anyone > will be fooled if they telnet to the box and see > > Connected to ntbox.home.com > Escape character is '^]'. > Windows NT Server 4.0 ntbox > ntbox login: > > More significantly, though, OS fingerprinting tools rely on quirks of the TCP > stack to recognize a host's OS, so you're not going to fool them without > rewriting substantial hunks of your kernel. > > -- > That's not gibberish... It's Linux. - Byers, The Lone Gunmen > Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ > !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBOumcjctpDhsSpvgtAQFlSwP/T2wGpdU8yLepzHmtpO4sUzMxCClAT88W QL0MPMQ+iAyHaZA20FYtmqRAnkQCT8LLi44wu9CigOkpFR0N8pF+sh+jqikjozZO FJ0hvJTDZ2tohdjFLD3PTtJsYAHv9GPmoCIq76lN6QauQlVoMGUIBrr8xHc78lwk XsTdGUkZE9w= =H2jF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Fri Apr 27 11:34:24 2001 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Forgive me! I'm asking YAQAD! In-Reply-To: <20010427111736.5bd34f68.hick0088@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 11:17:36AM -0500 References: <20010427145415.11804.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> <3AE99291.E5C90F4D@ltiflex.com> <20010427111736.5bd34f68.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010427113424.G23283@sorry.cs.umn.edu> It has somehting to do with licensing. Apple makes people pay them a dollar ($1) to license USB. Apple's intent was to make it _really_ cheap, which they did, but I think many people took it as an insult. They wonder why Apple would charge a dollar when they could just give it away for free, since that $1/license adds .000000000000000000000000000000001% to there revenue... Gabe > Just a random thought: Why has USB (12 Mbps) been so successful while > FireWire (400+ Mbps) has been very slowly adopted? Heck, I never even > heard of USB until I saw it on a motherboard, while FireWire had been > discussed in the trade press for years beforehand. Was there something to > do with licensing? Standards? Just the fact that Apple was a principal > character in FireWire? > -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Get out of my trash! I'm telling you for the last time! A man works hard for his filth, just to have vagrants steal it. It's a cryin' shame." - George Liquor in "The Boy Who Cried Rat!" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Fri Apr 27 11:41:26 2001 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Forgive me! I'm asking YAQAD! In-Reply-To: <20010427113424.G23283@sorry.cs.umn.edu>; from dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu on Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 11:34:24AM -0500 References: <20010427145415.11804.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> <3AE99291.E5C90F4D@ltiflex.com> <20010427111736.5bd34f68.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <20010427113424.G23283@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010427114126.H23283@sorry.cs.umn.edu> On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 11:34:24AM -0500, dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > It has somehting to do with licensing. Apple makes people pay them a > dollar ($1) to license USB. Apple's intent was to make it _really_ cheap, Umm, that should be that Apple charges $1 to license _firewire_, sorry :) -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Get out of my trash! I'm telling you for the last time! A man works hard for his filth, just to have vagrants steal it. It's a cryin' shame." - George Liquor in "The Boy Who Cried Rat!" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dd-b at dd-b.net Fri Apr 27 11:44:25 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MSN anyone? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Nate Carlson writes: > On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, Clay Fandre wrote: > > time-to-time. Plus Bob never sleeps so he's always there to answer your > > questions. > > Actually, it is rumored that he does indeed sleep.. that's why we get > yelled at if we ever page him in the morning. :) > > > Rumor has it that they're Linux friendly too. ;-) > > Linux friendly? What's Linux? Hmmm; what's network DSL vs. Individual Dial-Up DSL? My current Qwest service costs $160 / month for 768k symmetric DSL including a block of static IPs. It's on full-time and I run several servers on it. And with Qwest I could go to the 1 meg level if traffic requires it. Is that equivalent to the real-time "network DSL" service that costs 3 times as much? Or to the real-time Individual service that costs slightly less? (but leaves me with no upgrade path) ? For that matter, is my service from Qwest one of the residential services they're unloading, or am I technically a business service (megabit)? I'd hate to be an MSN customer. Ick. -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Fri Apr 27 11:51:05 2001 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Forgive me! I'm asking YAQAD! Message-ID: IIRC it was $1 per 'Firewire' port in licensing costs alone, which might make a big difference on a less expensive device with smaller margins, especially when there are other options that are cheaper or free. I think they settled on $0.25 per port or something, but not before the 1394b standard got rolling to provide the same functionality in a different and unrestricted way. Anyone with more hard info? The above is just unreliable rememberance. Troy "These strokes aren't so bad. I clearly remember things now that I know I never did." - Roy Johnson >>> dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu 04/27/01 11:34AM >>> It has somehting to do with licensing. Apple makes people pay them a dollar ($1) to license USB. Apple's intent was to make it _really_ cheap, which they did, but I think many people took it as an insult. They wonder why Apple would charge a dollar when they could just give it away for free, since that $1/license adds .000000000000000000000000000000001% to there revenue... Gabe > Just a random thought: Why has USB (12 Mbps) been so successful while > FireWire (400+ Mbps) has been very slowly adopted? Heck, I never even > heard of USB until I saw it on a motherboard, while FireWire had been > discussed in the trade press for years beforehand. Was there something to > do with licensing? Standards? Just the fact that Apple was a principal > character in FireWire? > -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Get out of my trash! I'm telling you for the last time! A man works hard for his filth, just to have vagrants steal it. It's a cryin' shame." - George Liquor in "The Boy Who Cried Rat!" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Fri Apr 27 12:54:38 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MSN anyone? In-Reply-To: <20010427005237.O7366@ringworld.org>; from dieman@ringworld.org on Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 12:52:37AM -0500 References: <20010427005237.O7366@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010427125438.J1388@real-time.com> Quoting Scott Dier (dieman@ringworld.org): > http://www.startribune.com/viewers/qview/cgi/qview.cgi?template=tech_a_cache&slug=dsl27 > > As part of the agreement, Qwest will shift its 500,000 consumer Internet > access customers in the 14 states it serves to Microsoft's MSN Internet > access service. Qwest then will discontinue its own consumer Internet > service provider (ISP) business this summer. Ouch! Gotta suck to be a qwest user! So, whose up to switching to Real Time? :-) -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010427/d0c1079e/attachment.pgp From tanner at real-time.com Fri Apr 27 13:03:52 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MSN anyone? In-Reply-To: <3AE97123.D92A92B3@structural-wood.com>; from kent@structural-wood.com on Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 08:16:19AM -0500 References: <3AE96D3F.16A26F6B@structural-wood.com> <3AE97123.D92A92B3@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <20010427130352.O1388@real-time.com> Quoting Kent Schumacher (kent@structural-wood.com): > I'm thinking of changing my ISP and possibly my connection because of this > Qwest/MSN nonsense. If I decided to stay with DSL, how painfull would it > be to switch to Real-Time? IF you have Qwest DSL, just a phone call to Qwest say you are switch ISP. 3 business days (supposedly) will get a connect notice and it's done. We actually had the 3 days thing happen a couple of time, but we normally give you analog access "just in case". -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We all know they have great > support, you get a block of IPs, and they even give the TCLUG deals from > time-to-time. Plus Bob never sleeps so he's always there to answer your > questions. > > Rumor has it that they're Linux friendly too. ;-) Wow, shameless plug. :-) Which brings me to a question. What can we do at Real Time to make it MORE friendly to linux users? We looked into the S/390 and the whole VM-linux thing and it's just to expensive. I thought it would be cool to hand out virtual linux boxes to lug members :-) What things do you wish your ISP (include Real Time) would do to make your online life better as a linux user? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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All the boxes pull down ip's via dhcp from the router over the hub. the ip's are all in the 10.0.0.* range. Currently I am able to access the net on my linux box, but can't see the win98 machines. I have tried my luck at setting up samba with SWAT, to no avail. anything I should be looking for right off the bat? or anything to check. I have looked over some how-to's at linuxnewbie, and the standard linux how-to, and it seems that I am doing everything right. anyhoo, let me know if you have thoughts. I ran ifconfig and pulled up: eth0 inet addr 10.0.0.2 Bcast: 10.0.0.255 Mask 255.255.255.0 lo inetaddr 127.0.0.1 mask 255.0.0.0 the win98 machines are getting ip 10.0.0.3 and 10.0.0.4 on the same mask after setting up samba in SWAT, I am unable to reach the other machines via ping or any other device, and likewise they can not "see" me. Is there anything I would need to change in the win98 boxes to allow this to work, as of yet I have left them be. Mostly I am looking to reach just one of them which has the storehouse for all my mp3's so that I can access them here (once I find the right driver for my Montego2 aureal2 soundcard (I know it isn't stable, but It worked on my mandrake 7.2 box)). Thanks, and sorry for the long post. -nate From tanner at real-time.com Fri Apr 27 13:14:53 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Foiling script kiddies In-Reply-To: <20010427150602.1613.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com>; from pc451@yahoo.com on Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 08:06:02AM -0700 References: <3ae986b9.2932.269167349@cloudnet.com> <20010427150602.1613.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20010427131453.S1388@real-time.com> Quoting Peter Clark (pc451@yahoo.com): > Maybe now would be a good time to ask a question that I have been > wondering about for some time. Is there any way to have a box give a > false identity for its OS? For example, have Linux tell the outside > world that it is really NT4? That way, any s'kiddie that comes along > with his arsenal of l33t cracks sees, "Oh! NT! Let me try this..." and > gives the sysadmin something to chuckle about in the syslog. > Is this even remotely a good idea? Of course, you wouldn't want to > build your entire defense around it, but just as an additional measure > to throw kiddies off. Or would it cause too many problems for regular > operations? I can't imagine that it would be too much of a problem for > a single computer connected to the net, such as mine. RFC, please. Go to google. Look for honeypot, articles are there. Also, google again, nmap, read about OS finger printing. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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They may be a principal character, but the scuttlebutt I heard coming out of standards committee meetings was pretty convoluted. I suspect that it has as much to do with pissing competitions between manufacturers as anything else. I could be completely wrong, but there are standards and there's compliance; I think USB being simpler is easier to comply with in more different implementations. Phil M -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From ben at nerp.net Fri Apr 27 12:17:58 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MORE linux friendly questions? In-Reply-To: <20010427130705.P1388@real-time.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- just to spew out a bunch of things.. some of which are allready in place, I'm just trying to think of what would make me want an ISP as a linux user. Secondary DNS/MX for free. Off-site network backups via amanda. linux distro update mirrors. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Clay Fandre (clay@fandre.com): > > Actually it's pretty darn easy if you already get DSL service from > > Qwest. A friend of mine did the switch from Qwest to Real-time a few > > months ago without any problems. My only questions is, why haven't you > > guys switched over to Real-time already? We all know they have great > > support, you get a block of IPs, and they even give the TCLUG deals from > > time-to-time. Plus Bob never sleeps so he's always there to answer your > > questions. > > > > Rumor has it that they're Linux friendly too. ;-) > > Wow, shameless plug. :-) > > Which brings me to a question. What can we do at Real Time to make it MORE > friendly to linux users? > > We looked into the S/390 and the whole VM-linux thing and it's just to > expensive. I thought it would be cool to hand out virtual linux boxes to lug > members :-) > > What things do you wish your ISP (include Real Time) would do to make your > online life better as a linux user? > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBOumpx8tpDhsSpvgtAQHgigP/Suax4JtRCC23CDrYWiqEDRhdDm8Y1myE UWjfcMCR/BRbULc8o2W7BbLUyedc69yr2QoUIA7LcyeMbs0ZhXPOcq8FKXCbFcdj EN8D0oDf6eBCiQgwon2aOoepxZjkqFMiQNmuoS889sxGyg1v4z6rYC6Wk3TwRGvx 879LU7Ax5Us= =SOhr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tanner at real-time.com Fri Apr 27 13:34:45 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MORE linux friendly questions? In-Reply-To: ; from ben@nerp.net on Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 12:17:58PM -0500 References: <20010427130705.P1388@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010427133445.Z1388@real-time.com> Quoting Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net): > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > just to spew out a bunch of things.. some of which are allready in place, > I'm just trying to think of what would make me want an ISP as a linux > user. > > Secondary DNS/MX for free. Already do that. > Off-site network backups via amanda. Carl is perfecting this. Got it almost working internally. > linux distro update mirrors. Already do that. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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IE: hobbiests/no commerical stuff/limited 1hr/wk max access/no emergency service/no sla/etc. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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AFAIK, you should beable to put something like /bin/true in shells and use it as a shell. It will return ok, the shell would be valid, and ssh should be happy right? -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010427/91910fd9/attachment.pgp From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Fri Apr 27 12:53:17 2001 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MORE linux friendly questions? In-Reply-To: <20010427124101.R7366@ringworld.org>; from dieman+tclug@ringworld.org on Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 12:41:01PM -0500 References: <3AE96D3F.16A26F6B@structural-wood.com> <3AE97123.D92A92B3@structural-wood.com> <3AE97888.CB818358@fandre.com> <20010427130705.P1388@real-time.com> <20010427124101.R7366@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010427125317.B23731@sorry.cs.umn.edu> > Reduced cost limited use colocation facilites. IE: hobbiests/no > commerical stuff/limited 1hr/wk max access/no emergency service/no > sla/etc. This I would also like. I would spend $1000 or whatever on a 1U machine if I could colo it for a reasonable price. Like less than $50 per month. I'd love to get rid of my DSL and get cable, just for the download. I'm so spoiled all day working at the U that when I get home 640k is _so much_ slower... So I'm willing to get cable for the download speeds, but I want to run at least 1 server, and cable makes that more painful then DSL. Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Be nice to him [Kowalski] because he's the product of your loins!" -- Stimpy "My fake loins!!" -- Ren Hoek - Ren takes on fatherhood in "Fake Dad" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dd-b at dd-b.net Fri Apr 27 12:55:56 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MORE linux friendly questions? In-Reply-To: <20010427130705.P1388@real-time.com> References: <3AE96D3F.16A26F6B@structural-wood.com> <3AE97123.D92A92B3@structural-wood.com> <3AE97888.CB818358@fandre.com> <20010427130705.P1388@real-time.com> Message-ID: Bob Tanner writes: > What things do you wish your ISP (include Real Time) would do to make your > online life better as a linux user? Well, not have web-pages that depend on proprietary browser tech and weird plugins, for one. And that I can *find* things on! (This is complaint about Qwest, not about real-time, whose pages I've only looked at very shallowly, and which worked fine for me; so you may already be doing everything right in this area.) Static IPs. User-controllable reverse DNS on the IPs. (Qwest does this right already, happily enough.) -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From fertch at mninter.net Fri Apr 27 13:21:00 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MORE linux friendly questions? References: <3AE96D3F.16A26F6B@structural-wood.com> <3AE97123.D92A92B3@structural-wood.com> <3AE97888.CB818358@fandre.com> <20010427130705.P1388@real-time.com> <20010427124101.R7366@ringworld.org> <20010427125317.B23731@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3AE9B88C.71C173A3@mninter.net> dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: I'm so spoiled all day working at the U that when I get home 640k is _so much_ slower... Isn't this usually the case? I go from a nice fast connection at work to 128k at home on ISDN. Speaking of which, I'm pulling Mandrake 8.0 down from www.linuxiso.org at 335k/sec or thereabouts. Anyone have negative issues with Disk1? Shawn From blutgens at sistina.com Fri Apr 27 13:25:36 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ssh shell restriction In-Reply-To: <20010427124346.S7366@ringworld.org>; from dieman+tclug@ringworld.org on Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 12:43:46PM -0500 References: <20010427105337.A25352@minime.sistina.com> <20010427124346.S7366@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010427132536.F3809@minime.sistina.com> On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 12:43:46PM -0500, Scott Dier wrote: >Do you know which person told you that? I'm interested on which admin >there to put in my ignore list if they ever ask for help. Nope, someone on the irchannel on OPN. > >AFAIK, you should beable to put something like /bin/true in shells and >use it as a shell. It will return ok, the shell would be valid, and ssh >should be happy Nope that didn't work either, cvs [checkout aborted]: end of file from server consult above messages if any >right? > >-- >Scott Dier >http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net > >So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -- Ben Lutgens cell: XXX.XXX.XXXX Sistina Software Inc. work: XXX.XXX.XXXX Mailing list admin / Punching Bag (and sorta sysadmin guy) http://www.sistina.com/ <--- great software http://www.gentoo.org/ <--- great distro Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream <--- perfect error message -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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All I need is an IP address, the pipe, and a number to call if one of those two things isnt working. Lower overhead for me and the ISP. Basically I dont want my ISP to do anything to make my online experiance better, because I will have to pay for it even if I dont use it. From m_nassar at yahoo.com Fri Apr 27 13:37:07 2001 From: m_nassar at yahoo.com (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] samba issue scontinued In-Reply-To: <200104271827.f3RIRgL26460@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010427183707.65774.qmail@web10108.mail.yahoo.com> did you restart samba after you edited smb.conf? i failed to do that once and coulnt for the life of me figure out why it is not working... try something like #/usr/sbin/samba restart i think it is also possible to send a HUP signal to smbd and nmbd... try it out of course i am assuming that you have the basics down right (workgroup, computer names etc...) double check them just to be safe... also you might want to check the archives; someone posted an smb.conf file a while back that looked legit, look into adopting parts of that file... -munir > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 12:16:43 -0500 > From: "Nate Moore" > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] samba issue scontinued > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Greetings again I was asked to clarify my earlier > post, which I included > below: > > Greetings all. > I am having a bit of difficulty setting up samba > on my Linux-mandrake > 8.0 system. Thought maybe some of you would have > suggestions. As far > as I can tell all the software and drivers are up > and running properly. > The way I have my network configured is as follows. > I have dsl running > into the cisco 675 router, which outputs to a hub > connecting the > network. There are 3 boxes on the net. 2 are win98 > and my linux box. > All the boxes pull down ip's via dhcp from the > router over the hub. the > ip's are all in the 10.0.0.* range. Currently I am > able to access the > net on my linux box, but can't see the win98 > machines. I have tried my > luck at setting up samba with SWAT, to no avail. > anything I should be > looking for right off the bat? or anything to > check. I have looked > over some how-to's at linuxnewbie, and the standard > linux how-to, and it > seems that I am doing everything right. anyhoo, let > me know if you have > thoughts. > > I ran ifconfig and pulled up: > eth0 inet addr 10.0.0.2 Bcast: 10.0.0.255 Mask > 255.255.255.0 > lo inetaddr 127.0.0.1 mask 255.0.0.0 > > the win98 machines are getting > ip 10.0.0.3 and 10.0.0.4 on the same mask > > after setting up samba in SWAT, I am unable to reach > the other machines > via ping or any other device, and likewise they can > not "see" me. Is > there anything I would need to change in the win98 > boxes to allow this > to work, as of yet I have left them be. Mostly I am > looking to reach > just one of them which has the storehouse for all my > mp3's so that I can > access them here (once I find the right driver for > my Montego2 aureal2 > soundcard (I know it isn't stable, but It worked on > my mandrake 7.2 > box)). Thanks, and sorry for the long post. > > -nate ===== -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GAT GIT dpu- s:- a19 C++ UL P+ L+(++) E--- W+ N+ w(--) K? O-- M- V- PS+ PE-(--) Y-- PGP-(---) t 5+++ X R tv-- b+++ D++ DI++ G e+ h+() r- y+ UF++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Apr 27 13:45:13 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ssh shell restriction In-Reply-To: <20010427132536.F3809@minime.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 01:25:36PM -0500 References: <20010427105337.A25352@minime.sistina.com> <20010427124346.S7366@ringworld.org> <20010427132536.F3809@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010427134513.T7366@ringworld.org> * Ben Lutgens [010427 13:30]: > Nope, someone on the irchannel on OPN. ooooo. which goon? -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Liz -- Imagination is intelligence having fun... e-mail: kethry@winternet.com URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html From esper at sherohman.org Fri Apr 27 13:51:11 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Automated printing from StarOffice Message-ID: <20010427135111.I5817@sherohman.org> Anyone know how to set up a script to print a bunch of StarOffice (bloated, stuck pig that it is) documents without requiring user intervention? -- That's not gibberish... It's Linux. - Byers, The Lone Gunmen Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Fri Apr 27 13:55:32 2001 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] samba issue scontinued Message-ID: >>> moorenate@uswest.net 04/27/01 12:16PM >>> >I ran ifconfig and pulled up: >eth0 inet addr 10.0.0.2 Bcast: 10.0.0.255 Mask 255.255.255.0 >lo inetaddr 127.0.0.1 mask 255.0.0.0 > >the win98 machines are getting >ip 10.0.0.3 and 10.0.0.4 on the same mask This doesn't look too weird. Is there any other IP info (route, netstat,...)? >after setting up samba in SWAT, I am unable to reach the other machines >via ping or any other device, and likewise they can not "see" me. If you cannot ping the boxes from each other then something is probably wrong with TCP/IP and Samba has no hope of working before that is fixed. How are these connected (hub, switch, ports on DSL router,...specific brand)? From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Fri Apr 27 14:01:20 2001 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer meeting Message-ID: Has anyone reported what topics and beers were covered at the meeting last night? General impressions of the venue? From brian at ghostreactor.com Fri Apr 27 09:14:25 2001 From: brian at ghostreactor.com (Brian Riesgraf) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Change your box's fingerprint reply In-Reply-To: Message-ID: A small free application called FingerPrintFucker (FPF) and can be grabed at http://packetstorm.securify.com/linux/security/fpf.tar.gz Leave it to the hax0rs to come up with something simple. ...[Brian Riesgraf ...[Ghost Reactor Industries ...[irc.damnation.net #perkinz From mend0070 at umn.edu Fri Apr 27 14:25:19 2001 From: mend0070 at umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer meeting Message-ID: <200104271925.OAA25500@www5> On 27 Apr 2001, Troy Johnson wrote: > Has anyone reported what topics and beers were covered at the meeting last > night? I dunno -- there were a bunch of localized topics, a bunch of sequential non-sequiturs, and the Old Eight Porter was a popular beer. They didn't have the peach lambic, but a few had the Framboise (raspberry.) A good time was had by all, I'd say. From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Fri Apr 27 14:27:12 2001 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer meeting In-Reply-To: ; from Troy.A.Johnson@state.mn.us on Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 02:01:20PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010427142712.C23731@sorry.cs.umn.edu> On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 02:01:20PM -0500, Troy Johnson wrote: > Has anyone reported what topics and beers were covered at the meeting last night? > General impressions of the venue? > Topics? Everything (computer-related, that is). Beer: Excelent. Their "Old 8 Porter" was really good. They were out of the "Wild Brunette", unfortunately. The Lambic was also very good. Venue: Pretty good. Small, but I don't think it was expected that 20+ people would show :) They kicked us out at ~7:45 to bring a band in, which was no biggie as far as I was concerned... Gabe what be looking forward to the next Biersitzung :) -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Be nice to him [Kowalski] because he's the product of your loins!" -- Stimpy "My fake loins!!" -- Ren Hoek - Ren takes on fatherhood in "Fake Dad" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From natecars at real-time.com Fri Apr 27 14:50:33 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ssh shell restriction In-Reply-To: <20010427105337.A25352@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, Ben Lutgens wrote: > all, we are opening up cvs access for LVM to the community on a per developer > basis. I want the developers to use CVS_RSH=ssh, the problem is in order for > this to work I need to have thier account have a valid login shell, I also > need to be able to prevent them from being able to run > > ssh cvs.sistina.com /bin/bash and getting a shell that way too. All donations > greatly appreciated. > > I asked the sourceforge people and they told me in no uncertain terms "We > won't help you with matters not directly related to sourceforge" they really > lost my respect there. > > TIA all iirc, you can do this in authorized_keys.. not sure if there is another 'good' way of doing this. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From stauffer_james at yahoo.com Fri Apr 27 14:53:03 2001 From: stauffer_james at yahoo.com (James A. N. Stauffer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: IIRC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010427195303.85668.qmail@web11507.mail.yahoo.com> What does "IIRC" mean? ===== = o o o o o o o . . . __________________________ _____=======_||___ o _____ | James A. N. Stauffer | | Stauffer_James | .][__n_n_|DD[ ====____ | Spam food: uce@ftc.gov | | @yahoo.com | >(________|__|_[________]_|________________________|_|________________| _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o¬o¬o o¬o¬o` 'o¬o o¬o` __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From goldman at htc.honeywell.com Fri Apr 27 14:58:58 2001 From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Follow-up on CD ripping problems Message-ID: <15081.53122.583129.572507@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> There was some discussion between myself and Hans Davin Umhoefer earlier about problems ripping CDs. We had both discovered that the problem was correlated with musical genre, specifically that the problem arose with classical music, and related to difficulty at the end of tracks. We had hypothesized that the problem might have come from over-full CDs. However, I now have a Celtic music CD that's only 49:10 long. So the "too long" hypothesis goes by the boards. Any ideas, campers? Thanks, R From natecars at real-time.com Fri Apr 27 15:02:29 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: IIRC In-Reply-To: <20010427195303.85668.qmail@web11507.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, James A. N. Stauffer wrote: > What does "IIRC" mean? 'if i recall correctly'. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Fri Apr 27 15:02:44 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: IIRC In-Reply-To: <20010427195303.85668.qmail@web11507.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, James A. N. Stauffer wrote: > What does "IIRC" mean? oh, and IANAL == I am not a lawyer. That one confused me forever! -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From tanner at real-time.com Fri Apr 27 15:08:22 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: IIRC In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 03:02:29PM -0500 References: <20010427195303.85668.qmail@web11507.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20010427150822.G2459@real-time.com> Quoting Nate Carlson (natecars@real-time.com): > On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, James A. N. Stauffer wrote: > > What does "IIRC" mean? > > 'if i recall correctly'. :) [I]s [i]s [r]etarded [c]omputer-user -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <3ae9d395.18ef.269167349@cloudnet.com>; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 08:16:21PM +0000 References: <3ae9d395.18ef.269167349@cloudnet.com> Message-ID: <20010427152034.U8531@real-time.com> On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 08:16:21PM +0000, Brian (lxy@cloudnet.com) wrote: > I second that. Colo prices are outrageously high. It'd be > almost cheaper (in St. Cloud anyway) to rent an apartment in > DSL range, get a 1 Mb line and host away. You could do all that for < $250/mo? I'd hate to see what that apartment looked like :) -- Amy Tanner Voice: 952.943.8700 Real Time Enterprises, Inc. Fax: 952.943.8500 amy@real-time.com http://www.real-time.com GPG Fingerprint: DAC7 E1B2 80D9 3099 1A20 0817 2DFE 5086 81B3 5466 From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Apr 27 15:28:07 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MORE linux friendly questions? Message-ID: <3ae9d657.2205.269167349@cloudnet.com> > You could do all that for < $250/mo? > > I'd hate to see what that apartment looked like :) During the summer, my "apartment" costs me $100/mo. Yes, it's about the size of a storage locker, but it'd make a great co-lo facility. From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Apr 27 15:32:47 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MORE linux friendly questions? Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1098B7@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> > You could do all that for < $250/mo? > > I'd hate to see what that apartment looked like :) You could do it in Fergus Falls, easy. My friend had a place there for $150 a month, a 1 bedroom, but it's bigger than my 2 bedroom and it was fairly nice, and within DSL range. :) From tanner at real-time.com Fri Apr 27 15:40:34 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MORE linux friendly questions? In-Reply-To: <3ae9d395.18ef.269167349@cloudnet.com>; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 08:16:21PM +0000 References: <3ae9d395.18ef.269167349@cloudnet.com> Message-ID: <20010427154034.H2459@real-time.com> Quoting Brian (lxy@cloudnet.com): > > * Bob Tanner [010427 12:10]: > > > What things do you wish your ISP (include Real Time) > > would do to make your > > > online life better as a linux user? > > > > Reduced cost limited use colocation facilites. > > I second that. Colo prices are outrageously high. It'd be > almost cheaper (in St. Cloud anyway) to rent an apartment in > DSL range, get a 1 Mb line and host away. Hmmm, ok, let's go with 1Mb of throttled connectivity. Meaning you cannot burst above that BUT you are guaranteed 1Mb of bandwidth. To make things easier, let's just give you a point-to-point T1, 1.55Mb to yourself. You brow-beat your telco and you can p-t-p T1 for $1000/month. Eh? You just sold a co-loc customer guaranteed bandwidth 1.55Mb of bandwidth for $250/month, you are now loosing $750/month! Ok, we now all ISPs are playing the bandwidth game. How many 1Mb co-lo boxes do you think a p-t-p T1 can support? What happens if your customer come back with SLA and says I'm NOT getting 1Mb? In your apartment senerio, got redundant links? power? servers? Co-loc is an expensive business from an intra-structure stand point. That is why the prices are where they are. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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As a side note, this is why I was looking at the S390, it's almost a better solution then a bunch of cluncky AT case Linux boxes taking up rack space. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010427/b1a504a9/attachment.pgp From tanner at real-time.com Fri Apr 27 15:43:04 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MORE linux friendly questions? In-Reply-To: <3ae9d395.18ef.269167349@cloudnet.com>; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 08:16:21PM +0000 References: <3ae9d395.18ef.269167349@cloudnet.com> Message-ID: <20010427154304.J2459@real-time.com> Quoting Brian (lxy@cloudnet.com): > > * Bob Tanner [010427 12:10]: > > > What things do you wish your ISP (include Real Time) > > would do to make your > > > online life better as a linux user? > > > > Reduced cost limited use colocation facilites. Please define "reduced cost" ? What numbers are people looking at? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It might not be equal facilities, but many people dont require them, they just want a room to stash a box that happens to work ok. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010427/1470e04a/attachment.pgp From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Fri Apr 27 16:31:13 2001 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MORE linux friendly questions? Message-ID: Colocation possibilities: a "Bob's Colo Shed" in the Real Time parking lot. - You could build it out of plywood and roof it with tar paper to keep most of the water out. - You could run mangled cat3 (that people have to drive over every day) to it and put in a hub that is "on the blink". - You could ignore it and the people using it for less than $50 per month per person, and so they wouldn't like you too much after a very short while. If I understand correctly, Bob, you are saying that the services most Linux users could do without (colocation-wise) are icing on the cake of Real-Time's colocation costs. And it might be that cut-rate service isn't what Real Time is all about. From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Fri Apr 27 16:41:48 2001 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MORE linux friendly questions? Message-ID: I think the static IP offered for dialup users a (long?) while ago was a nice linux user touch (and saved $10 a month). Is that a possibility? >>> tanner@real-time.com 04/27/01 01:07PM >>> What things do you wish your ISP (include Real Time) would do to make your online life better as a linux user? From tanner at real-time.com Fri Apr 27 16:42:47 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MORE linux friendly questions? In-Reply-To: ; from Troy.A.Johnson@state.mn.us on Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 04:31:13PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010427164247.D3893@real-time.com> Quoting Troy Johnson (Troy.A.Johnson@state.mn.us): > If I understand correctly, Bob, you are saying that the services most Linux users could do without (colocation-wise) are icing on the cake of Real-Time's colocation costs. And it might be that cut-rate service isn't what Real Time is all about. > In a nut-shell. I "feel" the need for cheap co-lo. BUT I don't want to offer cut-rate service. That is why I was looking at the S390. Ok, the box is not cheap, but it scales. It would be awesome to give linux-vms for $50/month AND still keep good service. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010427/66615e09/attachment.pgp From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Apr 27 17:19:08 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Progeny issues Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1098B9@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> What's up with Progeny? I've submitted a couple of bugs to them and they still don't show in the bug tracking system. Plus, it's not possible to access the contact or the mailing list section of their site. Is the project dead now or something? From andy at theasis.com Fri Apr 27 17:23:47 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MORE linux friendly questions? In-Reply-To: <20010427164247.D3893@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > I "feel" the need for cheap co-lo. BUT I don't want to offer cut-rate service. > That is why I was looking at the S390. > > Ok, the box is not cheap, but it scales. It would be awesome to give linux-vms > for $50/month AND still keep good service. But did you ever say how many people you needed to commit to $50/month in order to make that a viable option? Really, a colo without bandwidth limitions couldn't really do that low a rate. Especially in a crowd (us) who's likely to use it if they have it. There were vendors at Annual Linux Showcase last fall who were offering something really cheap, like $25/month plus something per 1K/s avg bandwidth. I'd bet that even with the S390 you'd have to charge for differential usage, unless you can also shape/cap bandwidth per virtual computer. Andy From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Fri Apr 27 17:36:20 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Follow-up on CD ripping problems In-Reply-To: <15081.53122.583129.572507@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, Robert P. Goldman wrote: > > There was some discussion between myself and Hans Davin Umhoefer > earlier about problems ripping CDs. We had both discovered that the > problem was correlated with musical genre, specifically that the > problem arose with classical music, and related to difficulty at the > end of tracks. > > We had hypothesized that the problem might have come from over-full > CDs. > > However, I now have a Celtic music CD that's only 49:10 long. So the > "too long" hypothesis goes by the boards. Any ideas, campers? No, since the hypothesis was track pitch, not length. Length would force tighter track pitch but a glass master could still have that trouble at any length. Did you look at the pressing info on any of these CDs for a potential link? -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From tanner at real-time.com Fri Apr 27 17:38:33 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MORE linux friendly questions? In-Reply-To: ; from andy@theasis.com on Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 05:23:47PM -0500 References: <20010427164247.D3893@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010427173833.G3893@real-time.com> Quoting andy@theasis.com (andy@theasis.com): > But did you ever say how many people you needed to commit to $50/month in > order to make that a viable option? No, I did not say how many people, because I did not know what it would cost for a S/390. Carl did some GREAT research on pricing on an S/390. Carl, can you share the results with the LUG? > Really, a colo without bandwidth limitions couldn't really do that low a > rate. Especially in a crowd (us) who's likely to use it if they have it. > There were vendors at Annual Linux Showcase last fall who were offering > something really cheap, like $25/month plus something per 1K/s avg > bandwidth. I'd bet that even with the S390 you'd have to charge for > differential usage, unless you can also shape/cap bandwidth per virtual > computer. You can track everything from context switches to memory utilization on a 390. So, there would probably have to some sort of caps on things. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010427/36f46115/attachment.pgp From jethro at freakzilla.com Fri Apr 27 18:43:13 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lokigames Message-ID: Hi, So let me get this straight - only 12 people want games? No wonder nobody makes games for Linux! -Yaron -- From chrome at real-time.com Fri Apr 27 18:52:06 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lokigames In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 06:43:13PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010427185206.A20005@real-time.com> > So let me get this straight - only 12 people want games? No wonder nobody > makes games for Linux! same old problem. all the hardcores just keep a Winblows box around to play games on; and already have a copy of the games Loki is porting. me, I'm not enough of a gamer to do that. I'd buy the Loki games because I'd like to try them (without booting M$ software); and want to support The Cause. not many people are like me, I think. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Fri Apr 27 18:59:57 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MORE linux friendly questions? In-Reply-To: <3ae9d657.2205.269167349@cloudnet.com>; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 08:28:07PM +0000 References: <3ae9d657.2205.269167349@cloudnet.com> Message-ID: <20010427185957.B20005@real-time.com> > During the summer, my "apartment" costs me $100/mo. Yes, > it's about the size of a storage locker, but it'd make a > great co-lo facility. down in Winona a student can get a fairly reasonable apt. for $175/mo in summer; $200/mo in school season. (+utils of course). they've got cable & DSL service down there now (arrived the year after I left, of course...). Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Fri Apr 27 19:18:59 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MORE linux friendly questions? In-Reply-To: <20010427173833.G3893@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 05:38:33PM -0500 References: <20010427164247.D3893@real-time.com> <20010427173833.G3893@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010427191859.C20005@real-time.com> > Carl did some GREAT research on pricing on an S/390. > > Carl, can you share the results with the LUG? talked to a salesdroid from MSI (?), about pricing for a Multiprise 3000. (Multiprises are smaller S/390s). a single-processor Multiprise 3000 (probably a brand-new Generation 6 model), with 144GB of data disk (in addition to the OS disk space), is $237,000. (list price). an additional processor costs $280,000 monthly maintenance is $1866 (free for first year) VIF (simplified VM, which will only run Linux) is a one-time fee of $20,000 VM for Linux is a one-time fee of $45,000. this is a new thing to me... apparently it's VM; but will only run Linux. this way they can sell it at the different pricing scheme without annoying the traditional VM shops, who pay $9,000/mo for VM (which can also run VM, VSE, and OS/390). maintenance for the OS'es comes to about 15-20% of original cost, per year. mind you; it sounds like these prices are very negotiable. so here's the sums for a minimal model, capable of running a theoretically unlimited amount of Linux images (probably in the thousands in actual practice; tho you might not get much work out of them): $237,000 base system +$20,000 VIF -------------------- $257,000 plus recurring costs of: $1866 monthly hardware maintenance +$416 (software maintenance: 20% of $20,000/12) ------------------------- $2282 /mo Used machines are also an option. I didn't remember to ask about those. those might be a notable savings; especially if we aren't insisting on the latest & greatest hardware. leasing is also an option; tho I didn't get prices on that. (probably not cheap either). keep in mind that buying one of these things is like buying a car... it sounds like you can wheedle and cajole quite a bit for better prices. > You can track everything from context switches to memory utilization on a 390. > So, there would probably have to some sort of caps on things. if you want to do this kind of monitoring; you'll need to get a copy of VM, I think. ($40,000-$45,000 list price; I think the salesdroid said two different numbers in two different sentences). this offers you much more power & flexibility ("hey, let's mess with Yaron's head and flip live bits in his virtual processor; see if we can make his OS do wacky things to him!"); but at the cost of a *lot* longer learning curve. (from what little I know; it's about as far removed from UNIX and Windows as OS/400 is, if you've ever touched that.) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From pc451 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 27 19:53:16 2001 From: pc451 at yahoo.com (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telocity; was: Forgive me! I'm asking YAQAD! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010428005316.58513.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> --- Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > > > Cisco 67x, even at the low, low price of $195, is still a little > steep. > Or wait till there's more info on the Telocity deal. You get the use > of the modem free. I just checked out Telocity. Is there something I am missing? The deal seems almost too good to be true--1.5Mb down, 128Kb up (I'm not planning on running a heavy-use server), Linux friendly, static IP address, modem thrown in for free, and all for $50 a month. Where's the catch? How their service? How much time from order to delivery? Also, here's the part that I am afraid to ask: does anyone know if Fridley is DSL-capable? I've heard yes from some, no from others. Some website, like dslreport.com, say yes; Telocity's says no. > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > No, I do not. > > That's good, you'll go blind. I wish I didn't. Things will change, though... :Peter (Ignore the sig below :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From destef at destef.com Fri Apr 27 20:09:57 2001 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telocity; was: Forgive me! I'm asking YAQAD! In-Reply-To: <20010428005316.58513.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> References: Message-ID: <200104280109.f3S19lT30460@ernie.destef.com> I signed up with Telocity for 768K up, 408K down. Why are your speeds different? Jason At 05:53 PM 4/27/01 -0700, you wrote: >--- Phil Mendelsohn wrote: >> > > Cisco 67x, even at the low, low price of $195, is still a little >> steep. >> Or wait till there's more info on the Telocity deal. You get the use >> of the modem free. > I just checked out Telocity. Is there something I am missing? The >deal seems almost too good to be true--1.5Mb down, 128Kb up (I'm not >planning on running a heavy-use server), Linux friendly, static IP >address, modem thrown in for free, and all for $50 a month. Where's the >catch? How their service? How much time from order to delivery? > Also, here's the part that I am afraid to ask: does anyone know if >Fridley is DSL-capable? I've heard yes from some, no from others. Some >website, like dslreport.com, say yes; Telocity's says no. > >> > > Do You Yahoo!? >> > No, I do not. >> >> That's good, you'll go blind. > I wish I didn't. Things will change, though... > :Peter >(Ignore the sig below :) > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From pc451 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 27 20:32:22 2001 From: pc451 at yahoo.com (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telocity; was: Forgive me! I'm asking YAQAD! In-Reply-To: <200104280109.f3S19lT30460@ernie.destef.com> Message-ID: <20010428013222.61327.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> --- Jason DeStefano wrote: > I signed up with Telocity for 768K up, 408K down. Why are your > speeds different? I don't know; that's just what they had listed on their web site. Perhaps you get to choose. But did you really want to say 768K UP, 408K DOWN? Are you running a server? :) :Peter __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dd-b at dd-b.net Fri Apr 27 20:55:32 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MORE linux friendly questions? In-Reply-To: <20010427154034.H2459@real-time.com> References: <3ae9d395.18ef.269167349@cloudnet.com> <20010427154034.H2459@real-time.com> Message-ID: Bob Tanner writes: > In your apartment senerio, got redundant links? power? servers? > > Co-loc is an expensive business from an intra-structure stand point. That is why > the prices are where they are. Providing high-reliability professional-quality hosting is certainly somewhat difficult, and hence expensive. I think what people are asking is whether there's a way to get better bandwidth than we get at home via DSL, but otherwise essentially the same quality of service, cheaply. My current quality of service is satisfactory; I'd like to improve the bandwidth and/or price. (I wouldn't turn down an increase in quality of service, but it's not worth money or other sacrifices to me.) -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From dd-b at dd-b.net Fri Apr 27 20:58:23 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MORE linux friendly questions? In-Reply-To: <20010427164247.D3893@real-time.com> References: <20010427164247.D3893@real-time.com> Message-ID: Bob Tanner writes: > Quoting Troy Johnson (Troy.A.Johnson@state.mn.us): > > If I understand correctly, Bob, you are saying that the services most Linux > users could do without (colocation-wise) are icing on the cake of Real-Time's > colocation costs. And it might be that cut-rate service isn't what Real Time is > all about. > > > In a nut-shell. > > I "feel" the need for cheap co-lo. BUT I don't want to offer cut-rate service. > That is why I was looking at the S390. > > Ok, the box is not cheap, but it scales. It would be awesome to give linux-vms > for $50/month AND still keep good service. Having kicked into this thread prviously, I should add that I *do* see why real-time might not want to be involved in providing "sub-standard" service. And of course there's always potential for confusion in such situations. I doubt it's feasible for enough people to band together in a coop to afford a T3, though, and T1 compares rather unfavorably to DSL price-performance. So I don't know if the obvious alternative could be done either. -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From jethro at freakzilla.com Fri Apr 27 21:01:42 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MORE linux friendly questions? In-Reply-To: <20010427191859.C20005@real-time.com> Message-ID: Hi, > power & flexibility ("hey, let's mess with Yaron's head and flip live bits > in his virtual processor; see if we can make his OS do wacky things to > him!"); You really don't need VM for that - just have me run Windows 2000 for a week (died on me today in an unrecoverable way; it boots, gives you an error message, tells you how to fix it and then SHUTS DOWN). -Yaron -- From drake at lemongecko.org Fri Apr 27 20:43:20 2001 From: drake at lemongecko.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: rent, was: MORE linux friendly questions? In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1098B7@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > My friend had a place there for $150 a month, a 1 bedroom, but it's > bigger than my 2 bedroom and it was fairly nice, and within DSL range. /me chokes and spews his coffee all over his keyboard... $150! I pay nearly four times that for a 1 bedroom in St Paul and think it's pretty darn cheap for being only six miles from campus. It'll be rising about 10-15% in August. And if I'm lucky my salary will raise almost 5%. Sigh... Just a little off-topic ranting. Sorry. (I'm seriously looking into switching to Real Time for my DSL, though... :) Dan -- /*-------------------------------- Dan Drake http://lemongecko.org/drake/ --------pgp encouraged----------*/ From destef at destef.com Fri Apr 27 22:55:03 2001 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telocity; was: Forgive me! I'm asking YAQAD! In-Reply-To: <20010428013222.61327.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> References: <200104280109.f3S19lT30460@ernie.destef.com> Message-ID: <200104280354.f3S3sqT30549@ernie.destef.com> I meant 768K down, 408K up. Yes. I run a big-arse mp3/divx server (150+gigs) for "friends and family". :) At 06:32 PM 4/27/01 -0700, you wrote: >--- Jason DeStefano wrote: >> I signed up with Telocity for 768K up, 408K down. Why are your >> speeds different? > I don't know; that's just what they had listed on their web site. >Perhaps you get to choose. But did you really want to say 768K UP, 408K >DOWN? Are you running a server? :) > :Peter > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From fertch at mninter.net Fri Apr 27 23:51:47 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lokigames References: <20010427185206.A20005@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3AEA4C63.ACA5A24F@mninter.net> I have a few Loki games, but so far they are about the only ones that I'm interested in. I keep a Windows partition up just for gaming, because they haven't and most likely never will port Everquest to Linux. Unfortunately, I don't have that much time to game. But on the flip side, the time I used to spend gaming is now in learning to build a Linux/Unix/FreeBSD/Windows network at home. so, in a sense I'm doing "instructional gaming." Shawn Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > same old problem. all the hardcores just keep a Winblows box around to play > games on; and already have a copy of the games Loki is porting. > > me, I'm not enough of a gamer to do that. I'd buy the Loki games because I'd > like to try them (without booting M$ software); and want to support The Cause. > not many people are like me, I think. :) > > Carl Soderstrom From tanner at real-time.com Sat Apr 28 01:28:44 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ia64 machines? Message-ID: <20010428012844.A28035@real-time.com> Are they any ia64 machines OUT for purchase yet? I did not think there are, but I see several people leeching the ia64 iso images and they are IPs from MN ISPs! -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From pbujold at guanotronic.com Sat Apr 28 02:33:19 2001 From: pbujold at guanotronic.com (Paul Bujold) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ia64 machines? In-Reply-To: <20010428012844.A28035@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Sat, Apr 28, 2001 at 01:28:44AM -0500 References: <20010428012844.A28035@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010428033319.A22660@guanotronic.com> On Sat, Apr 28, 2001 at 01:28:44AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Are they any ia64 machines OUT for purchase yet? > > I did not think there are, but I see several people leeching the ia64 iso images > and they are IPs from MN ISPs! Its prolly just people playing with the 1/100 speed emulation stuff thats availible. Nothing to see here, move along ;) From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Sat Apr 28 03:54:09 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ia64 machines? In-Reply-To: <20010428033319.A22660@guanotronic.com>; from pbujold@guanotronic.com on Sat, Apr 28, 2001 at 03:33:19AM -0400 References: <20010428012844.A28035@real-time.com> <20010428033319.A22660@guanotronic.com> Message-ID: <20010428035409.Y7366@ringworld.org> * Paul Bujold [010428 02:35]: > Its prolly just people playing with the 1/100 speed emulation stuff thats availible. Nothing to see here, move along ;) No, there are 'engineering' samples out there. I think there is at least 2-3 in the cs bldg somewhere. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I've bought about half a dozen of Loki's ports and can't play most of them because I haven't been able to get (*^%(& 3D acceleration to work. But, every couple months, another one comes out, I buy it, and spend another day trying to fix it. Maybe, someday, it'll work and I'll be able to play them all. (Loki's support, unfortunately, is less than helpful. They can usually point out one obvious mistake that I've made, which I then fix, but it still doesn't work. I tell them so, but never get a response.) My current set of problems, in case anyone here can provide enlightenment (other than the window manager): Heretic 2: Refuses to run with software acceleration because I run a 32bpp display. This is broken by design, but I hear they're working on a patch to fix it. If I use the command-line incantation to force it to use utah-glx, it opens up an appropriately-sized window on my desktop, then locks up the machine before it successfully paints anything in the window. Quake 2 (not Loki, but related anyhow): Appears to run fine, except everything is squashed into the left half of the window; the right half remains black. It seems to run nice and fast using software 3D, though, which is good because trying to set it to a glx video mode results in a solid stream of "ref_soft::R_BeginFrame() - could not set mode" errors. Quake 3: When I try to start this one up, it thinks it's running just fine, but I get a row of 5 grainy, pink versions of the opening animation, all squashed into the top 64 pixels on my screen. Continuing from there, I continue to get rows of 5 squashed copies of everything. While I can blindly stumble through the menus to exit the game, glx doesn't let go of the video card. The only way to get a functional GUI back is to kill the X server and restart it. Heavy Gear 2: This one actually works! And it even stays pretty fast with all the bells and whistles turned on! But I can't see a damn thing - even in missions that are supposed to be set at noon, there's a nice bright sky, but everything on the ground is very, very dark, approaching undifferentiated black. I'm inclined to suspect that gamma correction would fix this, but there's enough light stuff (and dark areas around enemies light up quite nicely when there's a muzzle flash) that I suspect another problem. Nonetheless, I tried setting MESA_GAMMA as high as 2.5 before running HG2 and it made no discernable difference. I can play this one, which is better than the others, but it's unplayable when you can't see whether there's a tree 2 feet in front of your face. Especially if you like high explosives... The system in question is an Athlon 750 with a G400-based video card (lspci identifies it as "VGA compatible controller: Matrox Graphics, Inc. MGA G400 AGP (rev 04)") running debian woody. Utah-GLX was built from last weekend's CVS source against the (recommended) Mesa 3.2.1 source. X is 3.3.6. -- That's not gibberish... It's Linux. - Byers, The Lone Gunmen Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From tobytoo at black-hole.com Sat Apr 28 11:34:01 2001 From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (b. toberman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lokigames References: Message-ID: <3AEAF0F9.D6F1E9C@black-hole.com> Who said only 12 people want games? I was waiting until the list was set up Yaron wrote: > > Hi, > > So let me get this straight - only 12 people want games? No wonder nobody > makes games for Linux! > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Sat Apr 28 11:14:46 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lokigames Message-ID: <3aeaec77.617e.269167349@cloudnet.com> > me, I'm not enough of a gamer to do that. I'd buy the Loki > games because I'd > like to try them (without booting M$ software); and want > to support The Cause. > not many people are like me, I think. :) I don't think linux will make a good gaming platform. Linux geeks who game usually, as you said, have a 'Doze box set up for extreme gaming. If I was a gamer I'd set up my C-64 and go that route anyway :-) From lxy at cloudnet.com Sat Apr 28 11:24:56 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MORE linux friendly questions? Message-ID: <3aeaeed8.6723.269167349@cloudnet.com> > Colocation possibilities: a "Bob's Colo Shed" in the Real > Time parking lot. > > If I understand correctly, Bob, you are saying that the > services most Linux users could do without > (colocation-wise) are icing on the cake of Real-Time's > colocation costs. And it might be that cut-rate service > isn't what Real Time is all about. This is exactly what I was getting at... is there ANY ISP that's actually willing to set up such a cheap service? Most ISPs want to provide the best for their customers. For the price of co-lo you get a secured room, redundant backbone, 24/7 access, and guaranteed bandwidth. All ISPs want to be the best, and that's what it takes. I want to know where an ISP is that DOESN'T want to be the best. I knew a guy (before he got bought out) that ran a half-assed ISP. He had customers, they liked him, and they paid his bills. He probably would have co-lo'd a box for $50-100, but it would have been in a shed in the backyard with an extension cord and a piece of Cat5 running to it. Oops, lawnmower incident, we'll be down for a couple days. Well, I got what I paid for. Most fo the time I have bandwidth, and that's what I need. I have to say that $250/mo is about the cheapest co-lo I've seen anywhere, so kudos to Real Time on that! From tanner at real-time.com Sat Apr 28 11:39:23 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ia64 machines? In-Reply-To: <20010428035409.Y7366@ringworld.org>; from dieman+tclug@ringworld.org on Sat, Apr 28, 2001 at 03:54:09AM -0500 References: <20010428012844.A28035@real-time.com> <20010428033319.A22660@guanotronic.com> <20010428035409.Y7366@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010428113923.A22088@real-time.com> Quoting Scott Dier (dieman+tclug@ringworld.org): > No, there are 'engineering' samples out there. I think there is at > least 2-3 in the cs bldg somewhere. Cool, total diehard geeks. If those couple of people are on this list, how about a presentation at a LUG meeting on this stuff? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Sat Apr 28 11:42:47 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telocity / Bob's ISP Q In-Reply-To: <20010428005316.58513.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, Peter Clark wrote: > --- Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > > > > Cisco 67x, even at the low, low price of $195, is still a little > > steep. > > Or wait till there's more info on the Telocity deal. You get the use > > of the modem free. > I just checked out Telocity. Is there something I am missing? The vote's still out. Nate Carlson, i think, got it. I'm waiting for it. It seems to be a lower B.S. factor than Qwest, though I don't think they're quite as organized. Further, with the MSN/Qwest thing, it makes me happy to stay on the outside. > The deal seems almost too good to be true--1.5Mb down, 128Kb up (I'm > not planning on running a heavy-use server), Linux friendly, static IP > address, modem thrown in for free, and all for $50 a month. Where's > the catch? How their service? How much time from order to delivery? Your rates sound like cable-modem rates to me. Telocity is 768 down, 408 up, like everyone else has said. I don't know if they're Linux friendly, but the big attraction for me is that they have remembered to include the "stripped" model. This is the part that was sort of mentioned in answer to Bob's question about making an ISP Linux friendly. I think that it's important to have knowledgable, reliable, helpful, good service, etc... ISPs. But I think that given the nature of Linux, there's a larger market share that want a "self-serve" ISP. Like someone else said, all I want is a pipe and an IP. To me, the ideal ISP would be like the water company, where it was on before I moved in, on after I left, and they just got told when to start and stop billing. I don't think that's a small-scale money maker, though. I think you have to be a telco for the economies to scale right. -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Sat Apr 28 11:45:29 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ia64 machines? In-Reply-To: <20010428113923.A22088@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 28 Apr 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Scott Dier (dieman+tclug@ringworld.org): > > No, there are 'engineering' samples out there. I think there is at > > least 2-3 in the cs bldg somewhere. > > Cool, total diehard geeks. > > If those couple of people are on this list, how about a presentation at a LUG > meeting on this stuff? The manufacturer may not take kindly to third-parties giving presentations on their not yet released hardware. However, it'd be cool to see that or I bet you could get the builders to come themselves. -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From andy at theasis.com Sat Apr 28 12:33:49 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lokigames In-Reply-To: <3AEAF0F9.D6F1E9C@black-hole.com> Message-ID: > Who said only 12 people want games? I was waiting until the list was set > up list? what list? Yaron set up a registration form and list showing current interest at http://www.random-word.com/games/. We're thinking now of going ahead and getting Tribes2, since we have interest in the minimum 10+ copies of that. On Monday I will try once more to contact Loki and try to coax them into letting us order fewer copies than that, in which case we can fill the whole order. Please don't wait until the last minute to indicate interest, since it's not easy to move this forward without higher count than we have now. thanks, Andy > > Yaron wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > So let me get this straight - only 12 people want games? No wonder nobody > > makes games for Linux! > > > > -Yaron > > > > -- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From labmat at mn.mediaone.net Sat Apr 28 13:16:32 2001 From: labmat at mn.mediaone.net (Matthew LaBerge) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ia64 machines? In-Reply-To: <20010428035409.Y7366@ringworld.org> Message-ID: How does one get a hold of these engineering samples -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Scott Dier Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 3:54 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] ia64 machines? * Paul Bujold [010428 02:35]: > Its prolly just people playing with the 1/100 speed emulation stuff thats availible. Nothing to see here, move along ;) No, there are 'engineering' samples out there. I think there is at least 2-3 in the cs bldg somewhere. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant From chrome at real-time.com Sat Apr 28 14:23:16 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] personal preferences: joysticks Message-ID: <20010428142311.B6287@real-time.com> I'm thinking about getting a joystick for my computer, because: a. it might be cool if I ever get around to playing FPS games b. they look kind of cool and make you appear to be a much harder-core computer user (to many people). c. I'm noticing a decided lack of doodads, gimcracks, & gewgaws attached to my computer. d. I haven't ever owned one before. so what do people like, for jostick models out there? I'm pretty picky about how ergonomic the button layout is; and it better work *completely* under linux; but I have virtually no experience with them. what are people's advices about joysticks? Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From blutgens at sistina.com Sat Apr 28 15:09:50 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] G400 3D problems (was: Lokigames) In-Reply-To: <20010428090507.C15387@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Sat, Apr 28, 2001 at 09:05:07AM -0500 References: <20010427185206.A20005@real-time.com> <20010428090507.C15387@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20010428150950.A31999@ares> Step 1: install kernel 2.4 compiled with DRI support and AGP support to match your hardware. Step 2: Install X4 Step 3: make sure your user has read / write access to /dev/agpgart Step 4: start X Step 5: quake3 +set r_glDriver /usr/lib/libGL.so have fun. It's that easy with a G400 and no you cannot get any assemblance of performance when running at anything higher than 16bpp. make sure you have modelines for 640x480 800x600 1024x768 in XF86Config-4 DO NOT INSTALL UTAH-GLX If you're using debian's X4 do "apt-get install xlibmesa3" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If I was a gamer I'd set up my C-64 and >go that route anyway :-) Don't knock it till you try it, I'd rather eat lint than play q3-ta under windows, I get great perfomance with my GeForce2 GTS under linux with 2.4.3 kernel and X 4.0.3 and it's 6bazillion times more stable when pumping polygons than billy's garbage could ever be. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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That game makes me wanna vomit, too much movement, I get desksick. >b. they look kind of cool and make you appear to be a much harder-core >computer user (to many people). >c. I'm noticing a decided lack of doodads, gimcracks, & gewgaws attached to >my computer. >d. I haven't ever owned one before. > >so what do people like, for jostick models out there? I'm pretty picky about >how ergonomic the button layout is; and it better work *completely* under >linux; but I have virtually no experience with them. > >what are people's advices about joysticks? > >Carl Soderstrom >-- >Network Engineer >Real-Time Enterprises >(952) 943-8700 >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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That game makes me wanna vomit, too much > movement, I get desksick. so what do people use them for? flight sims? what I really want is an FPS tank simulator... it'd be really cool if there was a 'crew play' option; so you could actually have driver/gunner/commander players all on the same crew. downside is that you'd need friends to play with. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Sat Apr 28 15:35:01 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lokigames In-Reply-To: <20010428151132.B31999@ares>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Sat, Apr 28, 2001 at 03:11:32PM -0500 References: <3aeaec77.617e.269167349@cloudnet.com> <20010428151132.B31999@ares> Message-ID: <20010428153501.E6287@real-time.com> > Don't knock it till you try it, I'd rather eat lint than play q3-ta under > windows, I get great perfomance with my GeForce2 GTS under linux with 2.4.3 > kernel and X 4.0.3 and it's 6bazillion times more stable when pumping polygons > than billy's garbage could ever be. where do you get Debian packages for X 4.0.3? or did you have to build your own? Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Sat Apr 28 15:42:10 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:09 2005 Subject: VXA tape drives (was:Re: [TCLUG] Burners) In-Reply-To: <3AE87174.DBAE4B51@mninter.net>; from fertch@mninter.net on Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 02:05:24PM -0500 References: <3AE87174.DBAE4B51@mninter.net> Message-ID: <20010428154205.F6287@real-time.com> > Anyone have good recommendations on these or other? I'm also looking at > getting a tape backup. I've been looking at the VXA systems, anyone > have experience with these things? Or is there a comparable unit out > there that doesn't cost $900 for a 66GB BU system? We've got a VXA drive here at work. I've only used it a few dozen times; but so far I've been *very* happy with it. it's fast, it doesn't spew hardware errors to the logs (like lots of DAT and Travan drives); and seems to be of reasonably solid construction (both tapes and drive). downside is that the tapes are $80/ea. So far, I'd recommend it over anything else (unless you're willing to pay for an AIT drive; which supposedly offers better file seeking speed, tho at +$1000 in price). Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Sat Apr 28 15:48:45 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Stripping attachments in email In-Reply-To: ; from dd-b@dd-b.net on Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 07:08:30PM -0500 References: <8794B3B640FED2118D8600C00D0020A593F368@ipserver2.interplastic.com> <20010425115220.C6240@sherohman.org> <20010426083939.A16108@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20010428154840.G6287@real-time.com> > The great weakness of open source is the lack of firm central > control; you tend to descend into glitz and feeping creaturism. I disagree. Yes, OSS projects generally lack good central control (the Linux kernel being an exception, IMHO). However, they generally have less 'glitz and feeping creaturism'; because they're completely _end-user driven_. features are there because someone *wanted them* and spent the time to write them. if you don't want them, you generally don't have to compile them in. :) this means that if you really want to; you can take the patch that someone sent to the linux-kernel mailing list recently, which makes Linux a single-user OS; and apply it to your system. Or you can choose not to. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Sat Apr 28 15:56:07 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer meeting In-Reply-To: <200104271925.OAA25500@www5>; from mend0070@umn.edu on Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 02:25:19PM -0500 References: <200104271925.OAA25500@www5> Message-ID: <20010428155607.H6287@real-time.com> > I dunno -- there were a bunch of localized topics, a bunch of sequential > non-sequiturs, and the Old Eight Porter was a popular beer. They didn't > have the peach lambic, but a few had the Framboise (raspberry.) gonna have to go back there sometime, for more of that porter. :) gotta say that's the best beer I've had in this country. :) I was trying to think what it tasted like; and the answer finally hit me on the way home. Falcon's 'Gammel Brygd'... it's a Swedish beer; tastes almost the same. Haven't seen it in this country; tho I thought I heard a rumor that someone had seen it. If I can find it, I'll buy a case or two of the stuff. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From austad at marketwatch.com Sat Apr 28 16:12:19 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:09 2005 Subject: VXA tape drives (was:Re: [TCLUG] Burners) Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1098BD@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> > So far, I'd recommend it over anything else (unless you're > willing to pay > for an AIT drive; which supposedly offers better file seeking > speed, tho at > +$1000 in price). I love AIT. If you're buying it for home use though, AIT is probably too expensive. Transfer speeds are very fast though. I have a 40 tape AIT changer set up as nearline storage on a Sun E3500, basically, it acts like a 4TB disk. I have a 36GB disk cache, and when the cache gets above 80% full, it starts archiving to tape. I can copy files onto the disk cache, and they go to tape almost as fast as I can copy them. It takes about a day of copying to actually get the cache to sneak up to 100% full. When I access a file that has been archived, the changer can load it and find it in under a minute usually. AIT is fast. But the changer was nearly $30k, and tapes are around $100 each (50GB uncompressed, 100GB avg compressed). Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom [mailto:chrome@real-time.com] > Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 3:42 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: VXA tape drives (was:Re: [TCLUG] Burners) > > > > Anyone have good recommendations on these or other? I'm > also looking at > > getting a tape backup. I've been looking at the VXA > systems, anyone > > have experience with these things? Or is there a > comparable unit out > > there that doesn't cost $900 for a 66GB BU system? > > We've got a VXA drive here at work. I've only used it a few > dozen times; > but so far I've been *very* happy with it. it's fast, it doesn't spew > hardware errors to the logs (like lots of DAT and Travan > drives); and seems > to be of reasonably solid construction (both tapes and drive). > > downside is that the tapes are $80/ea. > > So far, I'd recommend it over anything else (unless you're > willing to pay > for an AIT drive; which supposedly offers better file seeking > speed, tho at > +$1000 in price). > > Carl Soderstrom > -- > Network Engineer > Real-Time Enterprises > (952) 943-8700 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Sat Apr 28 16:16:33 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ia64 machines? In-Reply-To: <20010428113923.A22088@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Sat, Apr 28, 2001 at 11:39:23AM -0500 References: <20010428012844.A28035@real-time.com> <20010428033319.A22660@guanotronic.com> <20010428035409.Y7366@ringworld.org> <20010428113923.A22088@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010428161633.Z7366@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [010428 11:41]: > Quoting Scott Dier (dieman+tclug@ringworld.org): > > No, there are 'engineering' samples out there. I think there is at > > least 2-3 in the cs bldg somewhere. > If those couple of people are on this list, how about a presentation at a LUG > meeting on this stuff? AFAIK, they aren't allowed yet. There some totally evil contract they have to stay behind. :| -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010428/15fefe4b/attachment.pgp From chrome at real-time.com Sat Apr 28 16:26:06 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:10 2005 Subject: VXA tape drives (was:Re: [TCLUG] Burners) In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1098BD@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Sat, Apr 28, 2001 at 04:12:19PM -0500 References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1098BD@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010428162606.I6287@real-time.com> > I love AIT. If you're buying it for home use though, AIT is probably too > expensive. Transfer speeds are very fast though. I have a 40 tape AIT > changer set up as nearline storage on a Sun E3500, basically, it acts like a > 4TB disk. is that one of the Spectra carousel changers? If so, how many drives do you have in it? what HSM (Heirarchical Storage Management) software do you use? > But the changer was nearly $30k, and tapes > are around $100 each (50GB uncompressed, 100GB avg compressed). that's AIT-2... I was talking about AIT-1 (25/50GB... maybe $1800 for an internal drive. are AIT-2 drives still about $4000? nothing else is quite comparable to that, except LTO (Linear Tape Open) which can go 100/200GB, but probably has a price to match. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Sat Apr 28 16:40:00 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:10 2005 Subject: VXA tape drives (was:Re: [TCLUG] Burners) In-Reply-To: <20010428161930.B7366@ringworld.org>; from dieman+tclug@ringworld.org on Sat, Apr 28, 2001 at 04:19:30PM -0500 References: <3AE87174.DBAE4B51@mninter.net> <20010428154205.F6287@real-time.com> <20010428161930.B7366@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010428163955.J6287@real-time.com> > $1300-1400 or so for DDS4, with linux support, from hp. > > $20-30 for DDS4 tapes. > > 40/60 gb space. AFAIK, DDS-4 is 20/40GB. I've worked with a couple of DDS-4 drives; they're faster than DDS-3, but *much* pickier about their tapes. one customer has had a whole pile of tapes that wouldn't work in his drive (even when they were the recommended brand). Some tapes worked, some didn't. this was on the *second* drive from that manufacturer. (we tried replacing it). I don't trust DDS very much anymore. It may be coincidence; but I've seen/heard of more reliability out of 8mm tape drives (Exabyte, AIT, VXA) than the 4mm tape drives (DDS-{2,3,4}). can't say DDS is an outright *bad* format... it's too widely used with too few problems to be inherently bad. (it's certainly better than Travan; and better than DLT in some ways). But I have seen more DDS drives go bad than other drives (tho I recognize that I'm not in any way making statistically unquestionable judgements). Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From dmonie at futurestat.com Sat Apr 28 17:50:30 2001 From: dmonie at futurestat.com (Dileep Monie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Lokigames/joysticks In-Reply-To: <200104282123.f3SLN5L26392@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010428170718.009e7b50@pop.goldengate.net> I wasn't following the earlier "Loki" posts very carefully. So they're Linux-only ports, right (as opposed to Windoze)? I've never run 3D games under X but am anxious to give it a shot. Where is that sign-up sheet again? I'm interested in Tribes2 and DeusEx (when are they gonna port The Sims?). With all this recent interest in Linux games, maybe we should have a LAN frag-fest! Multi-Mayhem (multi-mayhem.com) is just around the corner, but that costs money and only supports Windoze. We could be the free Linux alternative and maybe woo others in to switching OS. It would be a nice break from the all-work-and-no-play InstallFests. As for joysticks, see my comments below. >From: Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom > >I'm thinking about getting a joystick for my computer, because: >a. it might be cool if I ever get around to playing FPS games Use an _optical_ mouse and keyboard for traditional FPS (such as Quake). For vehicle FPS like combat flight/tank sims, a stick w/ throttle would be ideal (if you can afford the desk space and cost). >b. they look kind of cool and make you appear to be a much harder-core >computer user (to many people). Or at least a hard-core slacker to the higher-ups. >c. I'm noticing a decided lack of doodads, gimcracks, & gewgaws attached to >my computer. This is the 8th deadly sin. >d. I haven't ever owned one before. And I thought you were cool. ;-) >so what do people like, for jostick models out there? I'm pretty picky about >how ergonomic the button layout is; and it better work *completely* under >linux; but I have virtually no experience with them. >what are people's advices about joysticks? For a flight stick/throttle go with a Saitek X36 ($100). For an all purpose joystick, nothing beats a Logitech WingMan ($40-70 depending on whether or not you want FF). I have a WingMan 3D Force, but have only used it for XMAME (x.mame.net) in Linux. It works great for modern Windoze games with force-feedback (FF). However, I suspect that Linux FF support is very limited. -Dileep From thekremer at mn.mediaone.net Sat Apr 28 18:39:58 2001 From: thekremer at mn.mediaone.net (Justin Kremer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lokigames In-Reply-To: <20010428151132.B31999@ares> References: <3aeaec77.617e.269167349@cloudnet.com> <20010428151132.B31999@ares> Message-ID: <200104282341.f3SNfpx16921@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> > Don't knock it till you try it, I'd rather eat lint than play q3-ta under > windows, I get great perfomance with my GeForce2 GTS under linux with 2.4.3 > kernel and X 4.0.3 and it's 6bazillion times more stable when pumping polygons > than billy's garbage could ever be. I totally agree. I have the same vid card, and have had the same experience. I just wanna know if that Loki deal is for real, or if it really is too good to be true I'm getting rather impatient, because I really want to try Tribes2, and i really want to buy the linux version, NOT the windows version. It seems that MicroCenter isn't currently stocking it...I was just there a couple days ago, and didn't see it. -Kremer From austad at marketwatch.com Sat Apr 28 18:47:08 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:10 2005 Subject: VXA tape drives (was:Re: [TCLUG] Burners) Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1098BE@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> > is that one of the Spectra carousel changers? If so, how many > drives do you > have in it? Yes, only 2 drives, AIT-2. But, I'm not striping the data for higher throughput either, it's getting the fast throughput on a single tape. The front of the unit is beige though. Spectra has some black faceplates floating around their office that are samples from the company that makes the faceplates, but they wouldn't give me one. So I have this beautiful rack of gray and blue sun equipment, and it's ruined by the ugly beige changer unit. :) > what HSM (Heirarchical Storage Management) software do you use? Sam-FS from LSCI (http://www.lsci.com). They're based here in the twin cities, and the guys that work for them are extremely nice people and easy to work with. I was talking to one of the engineers, and Sam-FS is in use on some tape changer systems with hundreds of terrabytes of storage, and thousands of tapes. They apparently have their own filesystem too which is supposed to be faster and more robust than Veritas, although I haven't tried it. Jay From andy at theasis.com Sat Apr 28 19:09:04 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lokigames In-Reply-To: <200104282341.f3SNfpx16921@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: > I just wanna know if that Loki deal is for real, or if it really is too > good to be true As real as anything. I've been in contact with Kayt Sorhaindo, who did confirm that there is an offer and mailed me the pdf form that we have to fill out to apply for the offer. There are a couple hoops to jump through, and they said that they reserve the right to refuse for no reason, but AFAIK, they really do this. At this point, we need to confirm a few questions with Loki, such as the minimum purchase. Also, we need to sort out some logistical issues, since while I offered to front money for ~10-20 games, it probably won't cover everything people have expressed interest in, even if they let us buy < 10 copies of some games. So, Yaron and I discussed this the other night and will try to coordinate some more definitive action this week. Any further updates will be posted here. Suggestions welcome. Meanwhile, for anyone who missed previous mentions, the signup sheet is http://www.random-word.com/games/. Andy > -Kremer From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Sat Apr 28 20:02:57 2001 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MORE linux friendly questions? In-Reply-To: <20010427161004.W7366@ringworld.org>; from dieman+tclug@ringworld.org on Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 04:10:04PM -0500 References: <3ae9d395.18ef.269167349@cloudnet.com> <20010427154034.H2459@real-time.com> <20010427161004.W7366@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010428200257.A31379@sorry.cs.umn.edu> > Except, the going rate for 250/mo is only 16kbit with 1.55 burst. at > best. > > With 250/mo between some people you can easily beat that. It might not > be equal facilities, but many people dont require them, they just want a > room to stash a box that happens to work ok. This is exactly what I want. I don't care if I don't have access to it on weekends, or outside normal working hours. I don't care if it's hooked to a UPS. I just want a place with some decent bandwidth and air conditioning to put a machine. Running an air conditioner all summer just for my mail server costs a fortune. Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Dear Dr. Stupid: Why do I have to go to school?" -- Announcer "Your parents are aliens!! While you're at school, they shed their human skins and breathe dryer lint!!" - Dr. Stupid in "Ask Dr. Stupid" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Sat Apr 28 20:27:15 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:10 2005 Subject: VXA tape drives (was:Re: [TCLUG] Burners) In-Reply-To: <20010428163955.J6287@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Sat, Apr 28, 2001 at 04:40:00PM -0500 References: <3AE87174.DBAE4B51@mninter.net> <20010428154205.F6287@real-time.com> <20010428161930.B7366@ringworld.org> <20010428163955.J6287@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010428202715.D7366@ringworld.org> * Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom [010428 16:42]: > AFAIK, DDS-4 is 20/40GB. Oh, yeah. duh. *smack* What vendors of drives? Anyhow, if your going to get a drive, hp has onsite service for pretty cheap 3yr contracts. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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[root@palpatine nassarmu]# /sbin/ypbind -debug parsing config file Trying entry: ypserver palpatine parsed ypserver palpatiimnimpleiit gt g add_server() domain: palpatine.lab406.com, host: palpatine, nobroadcast, slot: 0[Welcome to ypbind-mt, version 1.7] ping host 'palpatine', domain 'palpatine.lab406.com' Pinging all active server. ping host 'palpatine', domain 'palpatine.lab406.com' Signal (2) for quitting program arrived. anybody here know why it would do this? anybody come across this before? -munir ===== -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GAT GIT dpu- s:- a19 C++ UL P+ L+(++) E--- W+ N+ w(--) K? O-- M- V- PS+ PE-(--) Y-- PGP-(---) t 5+++ X R tv-- b+++ D++ DI++ G e+ h+() r- y+ UF++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From chrome at real-time.com Sat Apr 28 21:03:31 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:11 2005 Subject: VXA tape drives (was:Re: [TCLUG] Burners) In-Reply-To: <20010428202715.D7366@ringworld.org>; from dieman+tclug@ringworld.org on Sat, Apr 28, 2001 at 08:27:15PM -0500 References: <3AE87174.DBAE4B51@mninter.net> <20010428154205.F6287@real-time.com> <20010428161930.B7366@ringworld.org> <20010428163955.J6287@real-time.com> <20010428202715.D7366@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010428210331.A8048@real-time.com> > What vendors of drives? Anyhow, if your going to get a drive, hp has > onsite service for pretty cheap 3yr contracts. the Sony DDS-4 drive that I've used hasn't shown any issues. the Seagate one is the flaky unit. I'm pretty sure that the Seagate AIT-1 drives were just Sonys with a different name on them; so for the moment I'm guessing the DDS-4 drives are pretty much identical except for the name on them. :) I've seen a couple of HP drives go bad... one was a DDS-2, that was about 3-4 years old, I think. the other is a DDS-3 which still works; but might be showing more 'soft' error messages when writing than it used to. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Sat Apr 28 21:13:34 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Lokigames/joysticks In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010428170718.009e7b50@pop.goldengate.net>; from dmonie@futurestat.com on Sat, Apr 28, 2001 at 05:50:30PM -0500 References: <200104282123.f3SLN5L26392@sprite.real-time.com> <5.0.2.1.0.20010428170718.009e7b50@pop.goldengate.net> Message-ID: <20010428211329.B8048@real-time.com> > For a flight stick/throttle go with a Saitek X36 ($100). For an all purpose > joystick, nothing beats a Logitech WingMan ($40-70 depending on whether or > not you want FF). I looked at one of those X36s in a store once... truly an amazing number of knobs, buttons, wheels, levers, &c on them. The flip-cover on the 'launch' button is a nice touch. :) looking over Saitek's website, tho; it looks like the X36 is USB-only. do you know if all the doohickeys work under Linux, over the USB interface? it occurs to me that there are so many buttons on this thing, it's almost concievable to map them to keys and make a chording keyboard out of it. :) I've seen Saitek's 'Cyborg' joysticks in stores as well... anyone have experience with those things? do they work well under Linux, over the USB interface? Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From andyp at agritech.com Sat Apr 28 21:34:56 2001 From: andyp at agritech.com (Andrew Porter) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Lokigames/joysticks In-Reply-To: <20010428211329.B8048@real-time.com> References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010428170718.009e7b50@pop.goldengate.net> <200104282123.f3SLN5L26392@sprite.real-time.com> <5.0.2.1.0.20010428170718.009e7b50@pop.goldengate.net> Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010428212904.00ab5580@smtp.agritech.com> > > >I've seen Saitek's 'Cyborg' joysticks in stores as well... anyone have >experience with those things? do they work well under Linux, over the USB >interface? > >Carl, I have a Cyborg (serial) you can use to see if you like them. I'll >have t find which box it's in. (moving) Never set it up on Linux tho. Andy Porter System Administrator 307 Brighton Ave. Minnesota DHIA Buffalo, MN andyp@agritech.com 763-682-1091 From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Sat Apr 28 22:05:12 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Lokigames/joysticks In-Reply-To: <20010428211329.B8048@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Sat, Apr 28, 2001 at 09:13:34PM -0500 References: <200104282123.f3SLN5L26392@sprite.real-time.com> <5.0.2.1.0.20010428170718.009e7b50@pop.goldengate.net> <20010428211329.B8048@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010428220512.E7366@ringworld.org> * Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom [010428 21:14]: > looking over Saitek's website, tho; it looks like the X36 is > USB-only. do you know if all the doohickeys work under Linux, over the USB > interface? The cyborg3d i have works fine with USB. 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If there's a beer meeting scheduled for the 10th, I'll be there to explain all... -- Richard Seymour : Anarchy Software, Inc. - * - - * - - - * -+- * - - - * - - * - `????,? ?,????' `????,??,???? From austad at marketwatch.com Sat Apr 28 23:24:34 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:11 2005 Subject: VXA tape drives (was:Re: [TCLUG] Burners) Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1098BF@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> I had an HP DDS-2 drive that was from a bad batch. Even though HP recalled those, mine went bad after it was 3 years old, and they wouldn't replace it, or even fix it for a fee. HP is not my friend. > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom [mailto:chrome@real-time.com] > Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 9:04 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: VXA tape drives (was:Re: [TCLUG] Burners) > > > > What vendors of drives? Anyhow, if your going to get a > drive, hp has > > onsite service for pretty cheap 3yr contracts. > > the Sony DDS-4 drive that I've used hasn't shown any issues. > the Seagate one > is the flaky unit. I'm pretty sure that the Seagate AIT-1 > drives were just > Sonys with a different name on them; so for the moment I'm > guessing the > DDS-4 drives are pretty much identical except for the name on them. :) > > I've seen a couple of HP drives go bad... one was a DDS-2, > that was about > 3-4 years old, I think. the other is a DDS-3 which still > works; but might be > showing more 'soft' error messages when writing than it used to. > > Carl Soderstrom > -- > Network Engineer > Real-Time Enterprises > (952) 943-8700 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Sat Apr 28 23:27:12 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] xterminals and audio Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1098C0@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> What solutions are there for piping audio to an NCD xterm? I know sun supplies the xaudio server for solaris, but I can't find anything like it for linux. I'd like to play MP3's on my Xterminal in the other room, but I can't figure out how to pipe the sound from a linux box. Apparently, there were a couple of projects awhile back, but when I looked at them, the last development was back in 94 or 95. And I couldn't get them to compile. From austad at marketwatch.com Sat Apr 28 23:28:26 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer meeting Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1098C1@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Speaking of beer, does anyone know where I can get Abe's Strangebrew? BW-3 in dinkytown used to sell it in the basement when they owned it. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Seymour [mailto:rseymour@anarchysoftware.com] > Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 10:50 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Beer meeting > > > Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > > I was trying to think what it tasted like; and the answer > finally hit me on > > the way home. Falcon's 'Gammel Brygd'... it's a Swedish > beer; tastes almost > > the same. Haven't seen it in this country; tho I thought I > heard a rumor > > that someone had seen it. > > Out here in Oregon, Crazy Ludwig's Alt is fast becoming the official > beer of Free Geek. If there's a beer meeting scheduled for the 10th, > I'll be there to explain all... > > > -- > Richard Seymour : Anarchy Software, Inc. > - * - - * - - - * -+- * - - - * - - * - > `????,? ?,????' > `????,??,???? > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From thekremer at mn.mediaone.net Sun Apr 29 00:21:25 2001 From: thekremer at mn.mediaone.net (Justin Kremer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Lokigames/joysticks In-Reply-To: <20010428211329.B8048@real-time.com> References: <200104282123.f3SLN5L26392@sprite.real-time.com> <5.0.2.1.0.20010428170718.009e7b50@pop.goldengate.net> <20010428211329.B8048@real-time.com> Message-ID: <200104290523.f3T5NGx13707@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> > looking over Saitek's website, tho; it looks like the X36 is > USB-only. do you know if all the doohickeys work under Linux, over the USB > interface? > it occurs to me that there are so many buttons on this thing, it's > almost concievable to map them to keys and make a chording keyboard out of > it. :) One of my friends actually has the version of that stick from before they were making it with USB I believe that part of his plugs into the joystick port and the other part has a pass through to plug into the keyboard port, or something wacky like that. Funny thing is the windows software that came with it DOES map most of the buttons to keyboard keys. - Kremer From pbujold at guanotronic.com Sun Apr 29 04:32:55 2001 From: pbujold at guanotronic.com (Paul Bujold) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] xterminals and audio In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1098C0@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Sat, Apr 28, 2001 at 11:27:12PM -0500 References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1098C0@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010429053255.A5728@guanotronic.com> On Sat, Apr 28, 2001 at 11:27:12PM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > What solutions are there for piping audio to an NCD xterm? I know sun > supplies the xaudio server for solaris, but I can't find anything like it > for linux. I'd like to play MP3's on my Xterminal in the other room, but I > can't figure out how to pipe the sound from a linux box. http://www.xmms.org/plugins_search.html?mode=search&query=ncd This might be a good start. From eng at pinenet.com Sun Apr 29 05:47:50 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] firewire; an old idea gets going Message-ID: <3AEBF156.52A719D8@pinenet.com> Seems that Microsoft and others are pushing firewire (an old Apple standard) and dumping USB. The availability of new PC firewire accessories is taking off. This standard seems exactly directed to my earlier submission ("question; re-invent an old idea ?"). Firewire is supposed to be an open standard, multi-platform. High quality (SVGA) dumb terminals will be a natural. If I could program a clock I'd be on this. But I have to rely on you for Linux software. From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Sun Apr 29 08:40:38 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:11 2005 Subject: VXA tape drives (was:Re: [TCLUG] Burners) In-Reply-To: <20010428163955.J6287@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 28 Apr 2001, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > I don't trust DDS very much anymore. It may be coincidence; but I've > seen/heard of more reliability out of 8mm tape drives (Exabyte, AIT, VXA) > than the 4mm tape drives (DDS-{2,3,4}). Drives aside, in my opinion, 4mm tape is trouble, period. OK, I'll qualify that -- any 4mm tape with large particle metal oxide tapes is trouble. But, since that includes any data tape ever made, my first statement works. The trouble is in the formulation itself. Crudely, there's not enough glue to keep the oxide particles in the tape, so you get very high dropouts. I suspect that the systems that work have a much lower capacity per linear foot than other ones, because they rely on greater on-tape data redundancy. I'm not 100% sure why the homogeneity of the oxide isn't the same for 4mm or 8mm, but it definitely makes a difference. There will be anecdotal evidence both ways, but the tape industry had a lot harder time to get 4mm to work for digital. DAT is the pits for reliability, and to be avoided for anything seriously archival. Ah well, another county heard from... -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Sun Apr 29 08:48:19 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] xterminals and audio In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1098C0@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 28 Apr 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > What solutions are there for piping audio to an NCD xterm? I know sun > supplies the xaudio server for solaris, but I can't find anything like it > for linux. This is just a stab in the dark -- I haven't played with it enough to know for sure -- but can you apply NAS? Is that in the ballpark? I don't know what your xterms think of it. -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Sun Apr 29 08:52:23 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer meeting In-Reply-To: <20010428155607.H6287@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 28 Apr 2001, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > I was trying to think what it tasted like; and the answer finally hit me on > the way home. Falcon's 'Gammel Brygd'... it's a Swedish beer; tastes almost > the same. Haven't seen it in this country; tho I thought I heard a rumor > that someone had seen it. > > If I can find it, I'll buy a case or two of the stuff. :) If you can't, and haven't already, you might compare it to Samuel Smith's porter. It's an import, but a little more widely available. Also, I've found that if you ask someone at a fancier liquor store -- I'd start with Haskell's or Surdyk's, just because I know they already deal with some of the oddball importers -- they might be able to special order for you. Cheers, Phil -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From ben at nerp.net Sun Apr 29 11:01:20 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NIS trouble In-Reply-To: <20010429015116.40070.qmail@web10101.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- normaly a YP domain is short, and has nothing to do with the FQDN, but besides that, have you run "make" in /var/yp? and is the ypserv running properly? Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Sat, 28 Apr 2001, Munir Nassar wrote: > say, i am finally getting around to installing the NIS > server... now the server seems to be installing fine > (at least acording to the HOWTO) and it is up and > running but the YP client does not want to work... > > here is a snipping: > > [nassarmu@palpatine nassarmu]$ ypcat passwd > No such map passwd.byname. Reason: Can't bind to > server which serves this domain > > > and here is when i run ypbind -debug it just sits > there doing the ping for a minute or so... and then it > tries again... > > [root@palpatine nassarmu]# /sbin/ypbind -debug > parsing config file > Trying entry: ypserver palpatine > parsed ypserver palpatiimnimpleiit gt g > add_server() domain: palpatine.lab406.com, host: > palpatine, nobroadcast, slot: 0[Welcome to ypbind-mt, > version 1.7] > > ping host 'palpatine', domain 'palpatine.lab406.com' > Pinging all active server. > ping host 'palpatine', domain 'palpatine.lab406.com' > Signal (2) for quitting program arrived. > > > anybody here know why it would do this? anybody come > across this before? > > -munir > > ===== > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > Version: 3.12 > GAT GIT dpu- s:- a19 C++ UL P+ L+(++) E--- W+ N+ w(--) K? O-- M- V- PS+ PE-(--) Y-- PGP-(---) t 5+++ X R tv-- b+++ D++ DI++ G e+ h+() r- y+ UF++ > ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBOuw60stpDhsSpvgtAQGT/QQAgFikZ3EJBQVzftlXen2AmIi0TgH6nPOY 8VQzSAV9ZiKhpbldyNkClzLdJGhWZU+wPtq4d6qCeffN8BUOdlZWuvA86J+RkxTa Oyqi15jmSzUUJB7V6J3N5Gt9lflDsjCe8Rhdw1VunqlSJvYetwzf2p1bgNJI9byn 3gGGd/gnqW0= =hSGb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From chrome at real-time.com Sun Apr 29 12:40:43 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] yamaha ymf724 sound under 2.4.4 Message-ID: <20010429124038.A13657@real-time.com> Argh. been trying to get sound working on my machine here, so I can enjoy the sweet strains of automatic weapons fire while playing lxdoom... but without much luck. :( if I try to play something with xmms; it complains that it can't open /dev/dsp. /dev/dsp is owned by group 'audio', so I added myself to group 'audio'. if I try starting xmms then; it doesn't work at all. no window appears; just a new line at the command prompt. am I supposed to be part of group 'audio', in order to make sound work? this is a debian box. I've got a Yamaha 192 sound card... wasn't supported under Linux until recently. it uses the YMF724 chipset. I built the kernel with the ymfpci module (which according to the sounce, is taken from the ALSA ymfpci module, which worked fine for me under 2.2.17); and can modprobe it; but lsmod says that ymfpci is 'unused'. lspci shows: 00:09.0 Multimedia audio controller: Yamaha Corporation YMF-724 (rev 05) hmmm, /proc/interrupts seems to say that both eth0 and ymfpci share an interrupt. could this be a problem? hassles like these are why I avoided sound for so long. ;) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From blutgens at sistina.com Sun Apr 29 13:42:01 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NIS trouble In-Reply-To: ; from ben@nerp.net on Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 11:01:20AM -0500 References: <20010429015116.40070.qmail@web10101.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20010429134201.A24677@ares> On Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 11:01:20AM -0500, Ben Kochie wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >normaly a YP domain is short, and has nothing to do with the FQDN, but >besides that, have you run "make" in /var/yp? and is the ypserv running >properly? make sure portmapper is running on the client as well > >Thank You, > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > >On Sat, 28 Apr 2001, Munir Nassar wrote: > >> say, i am finally getting around to installing the NIS >> server... now the server seems to be installing fine >> (at least acording to the HOWTO) and it is up and >> running but the YP client does not want to work... >> >> here is a snipping: >> >> [nassarmu@palpatine nassarmu]$ ypcat passwd >> No such map passwd.byname. Reason: Can't bind to >> server which serves this domain >> >> >> and here is when i run ypbind -debug it just sits >> there doing the ping for a minute or so... and then it >> tries again... >> >> [root@palpatine nassarmu]# /sbin/ypbind -debug >> parsing config file >> Trying entry: ypserver palpatine >> parsed ypserver palpatiimnimpleiit gt g >> add_server() domain: palpatine.lab406.com, host: >> palpatine, nobroadcast, slot: 0[Welcome to ypbind-mt, >> version 1.7] >> >> ping host 'palpatine', domain 'palpatine.lab406.com' >> Pinging all active server. >> ping host 'palpatine', domain 'palpatine.lab406.com' >> Signal (2) for quitting program arrived. >> >> >> anybody here know why it would do this? anybody come >> across this before? >> >> -munir >> >> ===== >> -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- >> Version: 3.12 >> GAT GIT dpu- s:- a19 C++ UL P+ L+(++) E--- W+ N+ w(--) K? O-- M- V- PS+ PE-(--) Y-- PGP-(---) t 5+++ X R tv-- b+++ D++ DI++ G e+ h+() r- y+ UF++ >> ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Yahoo! 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Robot, MST3K, "Prince of Space" | From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Sun Apr 29 16:17:12 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:12 2005 Subject: VXA tape drives (was:Re: [TCLUG] Burners) In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1098BF@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Sat, Apr 28, 2001 at 11:24:34PM -0500 References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1098BF@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010429161712.G7366@ringworld.org> * Austad, Jay [010428 23:30]: > those, mine went bad after it was 3 years old, and they wouldn't replace it, > or even fix it for a fee. HP is not my friend. Well, 3 years is well out of service for most tape drives on a daily backup sched. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Sun Apr 29 16:25:53 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sound follow-up Message-ID: <20010429162548.B14702@real-time.com> I've got sound working; sort of. probalem with xmms was that when I su -'ed to myself (to try the new permission group setting), it didn't set the DISPLAY variable. :( so now that's solved; and I do get *some* sound output; but it's really faint. admittedly, I'm using some tiny, unpowered speakers; but even with the volume turned all the way up (tried with both 'asmix' and 'volume') it's really faint. it should be louder than this. anyone know other ways to turn up the volume? my other sound systems were all run off SB16's (which had an honest-to-God volume wheel on them); or had powered speakers. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From tanner at real-time.com Sun Apr 29 16:56:43 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL, IDSL, Telcos in general (sucks to be us) Message-ID: <20010429165643.C18292@real-time.com> DSL is nice, but the local telcos are dragging their feet deploying it. IMHO, they are holding out on deploying facilities to starve out the competition. And you have the whole distance thing. IDSL solves the distance thing, but is expensive and slow. So, what are the wireless options? I mean, I really want to cut the telco out. They are an annoyance that I rather do without. We got a couple clients using microwave, speed is nice, but latency sucks. What other options are there? What speeds and cost do those options offer? Which of these options will work with Linux? I'd love to say, for $X I can give you YMb of bandwidth. Z static IPs, free MX and secondary DNS hosting and low cost off-site backups. And if you want to stop by the office, I have all the equipment necessary to get you up and running today. Oh, btw, it is supported in both the 2.2 and 2.4 kernels. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From john at mn.mediaone.net Sun Apr 29 15:57:35 2001 From: john at mn.mediaone.net (johndmiller) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Booting Kerenl 2.4.0 Message-ID: Ihave got Kernel 2.4.0 to compile on a RH7.0. I downloaded the source and untarred it into /usr/src/redhat/SOURCES/linux. I used xconfig to configure it. I then did a make dep, make clean, make bzdisk (to put on floppy). When I booted the floppy I got the following error message: kmod: failed to exec /sbin/modprobe -s -k binfmt-464c, error=8 The version of insmod is 2.4.2 and all the other programs listed in the change file are upgraded. This is the first time I have changed my kernel version number. I have recompiled kernels in the past the get my ide cdrom to be a fake scsi and to configure my sound. Also should I be concerned about the System.map file that is laying around in the directory. One last piece of info. usr/src/linux points to the 2.4.0 source. Any ideas. John Miller From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Sun Apr 29 17:15:05 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:12 2005 Subject: VXA tape drives (was:Re: [TCLUG] Burners) In-Reply-To: ; from mend0070@tc.umn.edu on Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 08:40:38AM -0500 References: <20010428163955.J6287@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010429171505.H7366@ringworld.org> * Phil Mendelsohn [010429 08:41]: > The trouble is in the formulation itself. Crudely, there's not enough > glue to keep the oxide particles in the tape, so you get very high Ok, so you somehow say 4mm vs 8mm acutally makes a difference still, what gives? If I really cared, I would be using DLT. But then I would have more money to blow. Our DLT systems have consistently rocked. I've only seen about one tape have a 'fatal' problem out of about at least 120 over the past two years. I think ive only seen a DLT drive die after 2-3 years of service. I've got an install for a customer with 1 yr or so of service with dds3. Havent had anything weird happen. But still, if your paranoid, you use DLT right now. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010429/6bcbd2fd/attachment.pgp From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Sun Apr 29 17:19:23 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL, IDSL, Telcos in general (sucks to be us) In-Reply-To: <20010429165643.C18292@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 04:56:43PM -0500 References: <20010429165643.C18292@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010429171923.I7366@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [010429 16:57]: > I'd love to say, for $X I can give you YMb of bandwidth. Z static IPs, free MX > and secondary DNS hosting and low cost off-site backups. Sprint wanted to do this back in the 'ION is the answer for everything' days, but the tone of ION has changed since then. ION was a vision where sprint would charge end users for pushing 'bits' to/from them to 'providers' such as themselves and anyone else. All customers would have to do is attach providers to their line. It made sense, but i think theyve munged it to dsl+voice since then. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010429/4d652a82/attachment.pgp From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sun Apr 29 17:32:19 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL, IDSL, Telcos in general (sucks to be us) In-Reply-To: <20010429165643.C18292@real-time.com> References: <20010429165643.C18292@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010429173219.4d1d8083.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Bob Tanner wrote: > > DSL is nice, but the local telcos are dragging their feet deploying it. > IMHO, they are holding out on deploying facilities to starve out the > competition. And you have the whole distance thing. > > IDSL solves the distance thing, but is expensive and slow. > > So, what are the wireless options? There are a bunch of laser solutions on the market, but they're more geared toward corporate customers or others who need the bandwidth (we're talking gigabits in some situations), and areas where you can easily do line-of-sight transmission, though I guess some of them still work well in inclement weather and other non-optimal situations. On the cheap end, a number of people have played around with wireless ethernet hubs, hooking them up to big directional antennas and getting a few miles of range out of them. Of course, those devices aren't designed for that mode of operation, and the FCC probably doesn't really like the idea. However, if they could be set up properly (ie, be highly directional and not interfere with all of the other 802.11 nets out there), it would be a very inexpensive solution. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ On the other hand, you / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ have different fingers. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From m_nassar at yahoo.com Sun Apr 29 18:02:32 2001 From: m_nassar at yahoo.com (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NIS trouble In-Reply-To: <200104291701.f3TH1FL14056@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010429230232.43527.qmail@web10103.mail.yahoo.com> a while back a offered someone some beer if he/she helped me with a problem that was frustrating me... some of you then mentioned that coding and driking do not mix very well... (swimming keyboards and stuff)... well i monkied around with the NIS stuff again today, lo and behold: it worked... remind me not to drink too much beer next time i play around with linux, sorry for the interruption... -munir > Message: 11 > Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 11:01:20 -0500 (CDT) > From: Ben Kochie > To: > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] NIS trouble > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > normaly a YP domain is short, and has nothing to do > with the FQDN, but > besides that, have you run "make" in /var/yp? and > is the ypserv running > properly? > > Thank You, > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its > friends." > ===== -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GAT GIT dpu- s:- a19 C++ UL P+ L+(++) E--- W+ N+ w(--) K? O-- M- V- PS+ PE-(--) Y-- PGP-(---) t 5+++ X R tv-- b+++ D++ DI++ G e+ h+() r- y+ UF++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From sraun at fireopal.org Sun Apr 29 20:12:02 2001 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Any experience w/ Samsung TFT Displays? Message-ID: <20010429201202.A2443@iaxs.net> I've got a Samsung SyncMaster 500TFT that I won from ZDNet a couple of years ago. Just now, I'm using it, and it goes pure white. I've currently got it plugged into a dual-head Matrox card on a Win98 box - hadn't gotten around to doing anything else with it yet. Tried resetting the PC, tried turning everything off & unplugging it for a couple of minutes - turns back on, the same story. If I switch heads, the Samsung stays white, the other monitor works just fine. Any suggestions? Any ideas as to how much getting it fixed is going to set me back? -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From blutgens at sistina.com Sun Apr 29 21:37:38 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lokigames In-Reply-To: <20010429161916.A14702@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 04:19:16PM -0500 References: <20010428203814.B25076@ares> <20010429161916.A14702@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010429213738.B13468@ares> On Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 04:19:16PM -0500, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: >> You don't have to take the unstable plunge (and I think x4.0.2 is in >> unstalbe, x4.0.3 is on the way though) > >I'm running 'testing' and currently have X 4.0.2. I hear that X 4.0.3 will >support my G450 vid board, tho (without the nasty Matrox binary). Possibly, I also have one of those at work. I hate it. hate hate hate. I'm going to stick with NVidia cards from now on. > >Carl Soderstrom >-- >Network Engineer >Real-Time Enterprises >(952) 943-8700 >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010429/5ed1d461/attachment.pgp From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Sun Apr 29 22:51:30 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Any experience w/ Samsung TFT Displays? In-Reply-To: <20010429201202.A2443@iaxs.net>; from sraun@fireopal.org on Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 08:12:02PM -0500 References: <20010429201202.A2443@iaxs.net> Message-ID: <20010429225130.J7366@ringworld.org> * Scott Raun [010429 20:02]: > Tried resetting the PC, tried turning everything off & unplugging it > for a couple of minutes - turns back on, the same story. If I switch If its a non-digital-connect, try setting it at 60 vertical refresh. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From jamie at getsetnet.net Mon Apr 30 00:24:21 2001 From: jamie at getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Analog RAM meter In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I don't know if anyone is working on a circuit yet. I am going to Ax Man in Fridley to look for some meters sometime this week. - Jamie On Sun, 29 Apr 2001, Yaron wrote: > Hi, > > So what's up with that? > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- "It's pretty hard to stop a man who eats his toast every morning." From m_nassar at yahoo.com Mon Apr 30 00:55:56 2001 From: m_nassar at yahoo.com (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Booting Kernel 2.4.0 In-Reply-To: <200104300240.f3U2e6L23084@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010430055556.13923.qmail@web10108.mail.yahoo.com> after compiling the kernel and installing it, did you do: make modules make modules_install this puts the modules in their proper places... -munir > Message: 8 > Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 15:57:35 -0500 (CDT) > From: johndmiller > To: TC Linux User Group > Subject: [TCLUG] Booting Kerenl 2.4.0 > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Ihave got Kernel 2.4.0 to compile on a RH7.0. I > downloaded the source and > untarred it into /usr/src/redhat/SOURCES/linux. I > used xconfig to > configure it. I then did a make dep, make clean, > make bzdisk (to put on > floppy). When I booted the floppy I got the > following error message: > > kmod: failed to exec /sbin/modprobe -s -k > binfmt-464c, error=8 > > The version of insmod is 2.4.2 and all the other > programs listed in the > change file are upgraded. > > This is the first time I have changed my kernel > version number. I have > recompiled kernels in the past the get my ide cdrom > to be a fake scsi > and to configure my sound. > > Also should I be concerned about the System.map file > that is laying > around in the directory. > > One last piece of info. usr/src/linux points to the > 2.4.0 source. > > Any ideas. > > John Miller ===== -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GAT GIT dpu- s:- a19 C++ UL P+ L+(++) E--- W+ N+ w(--) K? O-- M- V- PS+ PE-(--) Y-- PGP-(---) t 5+++ X R tv-- b+++ D++ DI++ G e+ h+() r- y+ UF++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From john at mn.mediaone.net Mon Apr 30 04:32:40 2001 From: john at mn.mediaone.net (johndmiller) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Booting Kernel 2.4. In-Reply-To: <20010430055556.13923.qmail@web10108.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: No, my concern is that if the 2.4 kernel fails to boot, will I be able to boot using the 2.2.16. Will the 2.2.16 boot with the modules from the 2.4. kernel? On Sun, 29 Apr 2001, Munir Nassar wrote: > after compiling the kernel and installing it, did you > do: > make modules > make modules_install > > this puts the modules in their proper places... > > -munir > > > Message: 8 > > Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 15:57:35 -0500 (CDT) > > From: johndmiller > > To: TC Linux User Group > > Subject: [TCLUG] Booting Kerenl 2.4.0 > > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > Ihave got Kernel 2.4.0 to compile on a RH7.0. I > > downloaded the source and > > untarred it into /usr/src/redhat/SOURCES/linux. I > > used xconfig to > > configure it. I then did a make dep, make clean, > > make bzdisk (to put on > > floppy). When I booted the floppy I got the > > following error message: > > > > kmod: failed to exec /sbin/modprobe -s -k > > binfmt-464c, error=8 > > > > The version of insmod is 2.4.2 and all the other > > programs listed in the > > change file are upgraded. > > > > This is the first time I have changed my kernel > > version number. I have > > recompiled kernels in the past the get my ide cdrom > > to be a fake scsi > > and to configure my sound. > > > > Also should I be concerned about the System.map file > > that is laying > > around in the directory. > > > > One last piece of info. usr/src/linux points to the > > 2.4.0 source. > > > > Any ideas. > > > > John Miller > > > ===== > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > Version: 3.12 > GAT GIT dpu- s:- a19 C++ UL P+ L+(++) E--- W+ N+ w(--) K? O-- M- V- PS+ PE-(--) Y-- PGP-(---) t 5+++ X R tv-- b+++ D++ DI++ G e+ h+() r- y+ UF++ > ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Mon Apr 30 07:25:10 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL, IDSL, Telcos in general (sucks to be us) In-Reply-To: <20010429173219.4d1d8083.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Sun, 29 Apr 2001, Mike Hicks wrote: > On the cheap end, a number of people have played around with wireless > ethernet hubs, hooking them up to big directional antennas and getting a > few miles of range out of them. Of course, those devices aren't designed > for that mode of operation, and the FCC probably doesn't really like the > idea. However, if they could be set up properly (ie, be highly > directional and not interfere with all of the other 802.11 nets out > there), it would be a very inexpensive solution. But reliability is pretty rough. For reliability, you probably want some sort of diversity tx/rx arrangement. I'm not saying it's insurmountable, just that it's like Bob points out about co-lo: you can do it good or you can do it cheap, but it's not easy to get both. -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Mon Apr 30 07:33:56 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:14 2005 Subject: VXA tape drives (was:Re: [TCLUG] Burners) In-Reply-To: <20010429171505.H7366@ringworld.org> Message-ID: On Sun, 29 Apr 2001, Scott Dier wrote: > * Phil Mendelsohn [010429 08:41]: > > The trouble is in the formulation itself. Crudely, there's not enough > > glue to keep the oxide particles in the tape, so you get very high > > Ok, so you somehow say 4mm vs 8mm acutally makes a difference still, > what gives? What I said, or tried to, is that 4mm large particle metal oxide tape has had big trouble, regardless of whether it is data, video, dig. audio, whatever. Before the tape gets put into the drive, the media itself is more trouble and less robust. > If I really cared, I would be using DLT. But then I would have more > money to blow. Well, there's the thing. Like the guys at the SteelEye meeting pointed out, how reliable can you afford to be? > I've got an install for a customer with 1 yr or so of service with dds3. > Havent had anything weird happen. I either specifically said that there would be good and bad anecdotal evidence with type of media, or it was *not* said that I was inferring that 4mm would fail every time. I'm not even saying that 4mm shouldn't be used, just that you need to be aware that it stores worse and make redundant backups in sufficient quantity sufficiently often to guarantee that you're meeting your backup objectives. > But still, if your paranoid, you use DLT right now. Seems so. -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Mon Apr 30 07:36:09 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL, IDSL, Telcos in general (sucks to be us) In-Reply-To: <20010429165643.C18292@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 29 Apr 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > What other options are there? > What speeds and cost do those options offer? > Which of these options will work with Linux? Anything will work with Linux given sufficient hacking! :P > I'd love to say, for $X I can give you YMb of bandwidth. Z static IPs, free MX > and secondary DNS hosting and low cost off-site backups. > > And if you want to stop by the office, I have all the equipment necessary to get > you up and running today. Oh, btw, it is supported in both the 2.2 and 2.4 > kernels. That would be very cool, indeed. I wonder how quickly you could roll such a thing out if you were going to, and how much float money you'd need until you started to see ROI. -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From fertch at mninter.net Sat Apr 28 23:15:27 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:14 2005 Subject: VXA tape drives (was:Re: [TCLUG] Burners) References: <3AE87174.DBAE4B51@mninter.net> <20010428154205.F6287@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3AEB955F.D79CB965@mninter.net> Out of curiosity, is it an internal or external, and what kind of software are you using? Shawn Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > We've got a VXA drive here at work. I've only used it a few dozen times; > but so far I've been *very* happy with it. it's fast, it doesn't spew > hardware errors to the logs (like lots of DAT and Travan drives); and seems > to be of reasonably solid construction (both tapes and drive). > > downside is that the tapes are $80/ea. > > So far, I'd recommend it over anything else (unless you're willing to pay > for an AIT drive; which supposedly offers better file seeking speed, tho at > +$1000 in price). From fertch at mninter.net Sat Apr 28 23:05:50 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] personal preferences: joysticks References: <20010428142311.B6287@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3AEB931E.977281C5@mninter.net> Not sure of how it works entirely under Linux, but I've always had a liking for the CH Flightstick Pro. Unfortunately, mine died a while ago and have yet to find another one. In the meantime, I bought a Wingman Extreme Digital 3D. You can get the feedback or regualr models. From what I've heard they work fine under Linux. Shawn Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > I'm thinking about getting a joystick for my computer, because: > a. it might be cool if I ever get around to playing FPS games > b. they look kind of cool and make you appear to be a much harder-core > computer user (to many people). > c. I'm noticing a decided lack of doodads, gimcracks, & gewgaws attached to > my computer. > d. I haven't ever owned one before. > > so what do people like, for jostick models out there? I'm pretty picky about > how ergonomic the button layout is; and it better work *completely* under > linux; but I have virtually no experience with them. > > what are people's advices about joysticks? > > Carl Soderstrom From fertch at mninter.net Sat Apr 28 23:21:19 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:14 2005 Subject: VXA tape drives (was:Re: [TCLUG] Burners) References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1098BD@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <3AEB96BF.661B4BD6@mninter.net> "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > I love AIT. If you're buying it for home use though, AIT is probably too > expensive. That's just it, the price of a VXA system is a bit steep but I want reliability and no problems. Though, the size of the tapes you've described fit perfectly. From esper at sherohman.org Mon Apr 30 08:49:42 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Booting Kernel 2.4. In-Reply-To: ; from john@mn.mediaone.net on Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 04:32:40AM -0500 References: <20010430055556.13923.qmail@web10108.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20010430084942.B7049@sherohman.org> On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 04:32:40AM -0500, johndmiller wrote: > No, my concern is that if the 2.4 kernel fails to boot, will I be able to > boot using the 2.2.16. Will the 2.2.16 boot with the modules from the > 2.4. kernel? It won't be a problem. Modules go into kernel-version-specific directories, so there's no danger of confusion. -- That's not gibberish... It's Linux. - Byers, The Lone Gunmen Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From bradyh at bitstream.net Mon Apr 30 09:06:36 2001 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lokigames In-Reply-To: <20010427185206.A20005@real-time.com> References: Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20010430090207.00c483f0@mail.bitstream.net> I have very little time for games these days but I'd be interested in picking up a couple. I can't play any really involved role playing games though...I need to be able to jump in, frag some stuff for 10 minutes, and then jump off to go fix dinner or whatever for my daughter. Brady > > So let me get this straight - only 12 people want games? No wonder nobody > > makes games for Linux! > >same old problem. all the hardcores just keep a Winblows box around to play >games on; and already have a copy of the games Loki is porting. > >me, I'm not enough of a gamer to do that. I'd buy the Loki games because I'd >like to try them (without booting M$ software); and want to support The Cause. >not many people are like me, I think. :) > >Carl Soderstrom >-- >Network Engineer >Real-Time Enterprises >(952) 943-8700 From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Apr 30 09:32:57 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Analog RAM meter Message-ID: <3aed7799.6e20.269167349@cloudnet.com> > I don't know if anyone is working on a circuit yet. I > am going to Ax > Man in Fridley to look for some meters sometime this week. I was just at the Axman on Snelling and University in St. Paul, didn't see much for meters. Did see a whole lot of stuff I wanted that I could convince myself that I need, as always. > "It's pretty hard to stop a man who eats his toast > every morning." I'm living proof of that. From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Apr 30 09:45:12 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL, IDSL, Telcos in general (sucks to be us) Message-ID: <3aed7a78.764f.269167349@cloudnet.com> Quoting a guy named Bob Tanner: > So, what are the wireless options? Brian says something like: I didn't see the presentation, but I talked to the Ricochet guy at the super computer sale. They've got the immediate metro and most of the suburbs covered at this point. I don't know about costs, but it's 128K/sec burstable to 200K. Slower than DSL, yes, but the portability makes up for it. If I lived in the metro I'd look at it before I'd look at cable if DSL wasn't an option. From kent at structural-wood.com Mon Apr 30 09:48:28 2001 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] personal preferences: joysticks References: <20010428142311.B6287@real-time.com> <3AEB931E.977281C5@mninter.net> Message-ID: <3AED7B3C.5960CBA3@structural-wood.com> My son has the force feedback and I have the regular. Both work connected via serial or USB. Force Feedback was not working the last time we surfed the net looking for it, but it seemed to be in the works. I'm not sure I like these huge joysticks though. I think I want to get nintendo 64 like joystick and see how that works. Kent Shawn wrote: > > Not sure of how it works entirely under Linux, but I've always had a > liking for the CH Flightstick Pro. Unfortunately, mine died a while ago > and have yet to find another one. In the meantime, I bought a Wingman > Extreme Digital 3D. You can get the feedback or regualr models. From > what I've heard they work fine under Linux. > > Shawn > > Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > > > I'm thinking about getting a joystick for my computer, because: > > a. it might be cool if I ever get around to playing FPS games > > b. they look kind of cool and make you appear to be a much harder-core > > computer user (to many people). > > c. I'm noticing a decided lack of doodads, gimcracks, & gewgaws attached to > > my computer. > > d. I haven't ever owned one before. > > > > so what do people like, for jostick models out there? I'm pretty picky about > > how ergonomic the button layout is; and it better work *completely* under > > linux; but I have virtually no experience with them. > > > > what are people's advices about joysticks? > > > > Carl Soderstrom > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Kent Schumacher Structural Wood Corporation 4000 Labore Rd. St. Paul, MN 55110 Phone: (651) 426-8111 Fax: (651) 426-6859 e-mail: kent@structural-wood.com From fertch at mninter.net Mon Apr 30 10:03:46 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL, IDSL, Telcos in general (sucks to be us) References: <3aed7a78.764f.269167349@cloudnet.com> Message-ID: <3AED7ED2.78196084@mninter.net> Wow, they're still in operation? Last I heard they were jsut about to go belly up. Unfortunately, they probably don't have coverage in my neck of the woods. Shawn Brian wrote: > > Quoting a guy named Bob Tanner: > > > So, what are the wireless options? > > Brian says something like: > > I didn't see the presentation, but I talked to the Ricochet > guy at the super computer sale. They've got the immediate > metro and most of the suburbs covered at this point. I > don't > know about costs, but it's 128K/sec burstable to 200K. > Slower than DSL, yes, but the portability makes up for it. > If I lived in the metro I'd look at it before I'd look at > cable if DSL wasn't an option. From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Apr 30 10:49:04 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL, IDSL, Telcos in general (sucks to be us) Message-ID: <3aed8970.1f2c.269167349@cloudnet.com> > Wow, they're still in operation? Last I heard they were > jsut about to > go belly up. Last I heard, they *HAD* gone belly up. I was surprised to see them there at all, and then the sales rep was talking about how they're expanding their network, so I just don't know. Maybe he's been laid off and they forgot to tell him :-) From fertch at mninter.net Mon Apr 30 11:06:15 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] personal preferences: joysticks References: <20010428142311.B6287@real-time.com> <3AEB931E.977281C5@mninter.net> <3AED7B3C.5960CBA3@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <3AED8D77.FD26B673@mninter.net> I don't think the Wingman Extreme D3D is really that big of a footprint. Compared to the MS Sindwinder FF, it's rather quite small. Though I do agree with you that the bigger the base, the less attractive it is to me in desktop space. Personally, I'm not that big of a fan of FF joysticks. I don't recall N64 having a joystick. Is that just a single/dual button joystick? Or more along the lines of a game pad with a control stick instead of the movement buttons? Kent Schumacher wrote: > > My son has the force feedback and I have the regular. Both work > connected via serial or USB. Force Feedback was not working the > last time we surfed the net looking for it, but it seemed to be > in the works. > > I'm not sure I like these huge joysticks though. I think I want > to get nintendo 64 like joystick and see how that works. > > Kent From blayer at qwest.net Mon Apr 30 11:00:11 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Analog RAM meter In-Reply-To: References: <20010419180225.540e0f42.blayer@integraonline.com> Message-ID: <20010430110011.35a66891.blayer@qwest.net> On Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:57:32 -0500 (CDT) "Yaron" wrote: > Hi, > > So what's up with that? Sorry if I dropped the ball, I was on vacation (holiday?) in Iceland and UK for 10 days. BTW, I'm back. If Phil or someone can devise an analog circuit that runs from a digital source (like a serial port or, even better, the PC speaker idea...) I'm all for it. I'm not an EE by any means, my knowledge is pretty much limited to analog (vacuum tube even) audio circuits. Is there an existing driver for the PC speaker, like the one that MS offers for free? That driver has it's problems, though, like a need to halt all interrupts to play a proper .wav file (and then, only a small 2 sec segment....) Obviously, we don't need to play a .wav, we justy need to pulse the speaker at a nominal frequency (60 Hz?) and varying amplitude. If someone can find a way to use the PC speaker, I think we are in a good place. -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From goldman at htc.honeywell.com Mon Apr 30 11:10:29 2001 From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Follow-up on CD ripping problems In-Reply-To: References: <15081.53122.583129.572507@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> Message-ID: <15085.36469.726964.740476@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> >>>>> "PM" == Phil Mendelsohn writes: PM> On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, Robert P. Goldman wrote: >> There was some discussion between myself and Hans Davin >> Umhoefer earlier about problems ripping CDs. We had both >> discovered that the problem was correlated with musical genre, >> specifically that the problem arose with classical music, and >> related to difficulty at the end of tracks. >> >> We had hypothesized that the problem might have come from >> over-full CDs. >> >> However, I now have a Celtic music CD that's only 49:10 long. >> So the "too long" hypothesis goes by the boards. Any ideas, >> campers? PM> No, since the hypothesis was track pitch, not length. Length PM> would force tighter track pitch but a glass master could still PM> have that trouble at any length. PM> Did you look at the pressing info on any of these CDs for a PM> potential link? I'm not sure what to look for. I have found that other boxen, both linux and w2k are able to read CDs that cause this one problems. So I'm starting to wonder if it isn't the drive itself, or at least the relationship between the drive and the driver. Best, R From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Apr 30 11:22:39 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: MS driver (was: Analog RAM meter) Message-ID: <3aed914f.36a4.269167349@cloudnet.com> > Is there an existing driver for the PC speaker, like the > one that MS > offers for free? Where can I find that driver? I used it many years ago and it was VERY handy since 'Doze likes to ding a lot. I lost it somewhere in my piles of dead hard drives and I can't find it anywhere, using FTP search or Simtel mirrors. Does anyone have a copy of that still? I REALLY REALLY want to find it. -Brian From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Apr 30 11:31:22 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Super computer aftermath Message-ID: <3aed935a.3ce4.269167349@cloudnet.com> Just out of curiosity... anybody go to the big sale this past weekend? Score any good deals? I was short on cash so I couldn't capitalize on some deals on laptops (a few pentium class for under $100) but I got a nice big bag of assorted cheap crap anyway. -Brian From kent at structural-wood.com Mon Apr 30 11:31:45 2001 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] personal preferences: joysticks References: <20010428142311.B6287@real-time.com> <3AEB931E.977281C5@mninter.net> <3AED7B3C.5960CBA3@structural-wood.com> <3AED8D77.FD26B673@mninter.net> Message-ID: <3AED9371.DE25BA01@structural-wood.com> Whoops, I was being semantically sloppy. I was using joystick as a generic term for a input device for gaming. I should have said I was thinking of getting a gamepad like the one's that come with a Nintendo 64. These seem much more in tune with my body. I guess the coupling of my shoulder-elbow-wrist with a vertically standing joystick roughly at chest level seems pretty mechanically constrained compared to my two thumbs on joysticks or rocker pads. I also think the inertia of using your whole arm as opposed to your thumbs comes into play. Oh man, I'm doing bad engineering speak when writing about joysticks. It comes from playing games sober with my son instead of playing drunk with my buddies. My brother used to play space invaders with his toes and an atari joystick. It was pretty entertaining seeing him sitting apparently motionless with his feet hidden under the desk while space invaders automagically played in front of him... Shawn wrote: > > I don't think the Wingman Extreme D3D is really that big of a > footprint. Compared to the MS Sindwinder FF, it's rather quite small. > Though I do agree with you that the bigger the base, the less attractive > it is to me in desktop space. > > Personally, I'm not that big of a fan of FF joysticks. > > I don't recall N64 having a joystick. Is that just a single/dual button > joystick? Or more along the lines of a game pad with a control stick > instead of the movement buttons? > > Kent Schumacher wrote: > > > > My son has the force feedback and I have the regular. Both work > > connected via serial or USB. Force Feedback was not working the > > last time we surfed the net looking for it, but it seemed to be > > in the works. > > > > I'm not sure I like these huge joysticks though. I think I want > > to get nintendo 64 like joystick and see how that works. > > > > Kent From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Apr 30 11:39:06 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: MS driver (was: Analog RAM meter) Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1098C7@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> > Where can I find that driver? I used it many years ago and > it was VERY handy since 'Doze likes to ding a lot. I lost > it > somewhere in my piles of dead hard drives and I can't find > it > anywhere, using FTP search or Simtel mirrors. Does anyone > have a copy of that still? I REALLY REALLY want to find it. If I can find my old 40MB hard drive from my smokin' 386sx25, it's probably on there. :) From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Apr 30 11:42:53 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Super computer aftermath Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1098C8@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> > Just out of curiosity... anybody go to the big sale this > past > weekend? Score any good deals? Nope, I went to a drug dealer siezed assets auction instead. Ever see a $22,000 persian rug go for $1100? It makes you wanna cry. Or $10,000 pieces of furniture go for $400? Unreal. Too bad there wasn't any computer equipment. :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian [mailto:lxy@cloudnet.com] > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 11:31 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Super computer aftermath > > > Just out of curiosity... anybody go to the big sale this > past > weekend? Score any good deals? I was short on cash so I > couldn't capitalize on some deals on laptops (a few pentium > class for under $100) but I got a nice big bag of assorted > cheap crap anyway. > > -Brian > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com Mon Apr 30 10:05:51 2001 From: JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com (Miller, John) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Booting Kernel 2.4. Message-ID: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940F82F9@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> Thanks for the reply John Miller Dain Rauscher Inc. Application Services IS Capital Markets Phone 612-547-7573 Fax 612-547-7580 mailto:jmiller2@dainrauscher.com -----Original Message----- From: Dave Sherohman [mailto:esper@sherohman.org] Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 8:50 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Booting Kernel 2.4. On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 04:32:40AM -0500, johndmiller wrote: > No, my concern is that if the 2.4 kernel fails to boot, will I be able to > boot using the 2.2.16. Will the 2.2.16 boot with the modules from the > 2.4. kernel? It won't be a problem. Modules go into kernel-version-specific directories, so there's no danger of confusion. -- That's not gibberish... It's Linux. - Byers, The Lone Gunmen Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chrome at real-time.com Mon Apr 30 12:18:57 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] personal preferences: joysticks In-Reply-To: <3AED9371.DE25BA01@structural-wood.com>; from kent@structural-wood.com on Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 11:31:45AM -0500 References: <20010428142311.B6287@real-time.com> <3AEB931E.977281C5@mninter.net> <3AED7B3C.5960CBA3@structural-wood.com> <3AED8D77.FD26B673@mninter.net> <3AED9371.DE25BA01@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <20010430121857.G30493@real-time.com> > I should have said > I was thinking of getting a gamepad like the one's that come with > a Nintendo 64. to each their own, I guess. I personally hate gamepads. I bought an NES Advantage joystick for my 8-bit Nintendo. (I guess I *have* owned a joystick before... completely forgot about that.). I find it much more satisfying to use one's whole hand, rather than just the thumb. also, my finger dexterity is pretty bad. :) > My brother used to play space invaders with > his toes and an atari joystick. It was pretty entertaining seeing > him sitting apparently motionless with his feet hidden under the > desk while space invaders automagically played in front of him... that's almost as unorthodox as the guy I met once, who crossed his wrists when he typed. (as in, his left hand was on the right side of the keyboard, and his right hand was on the left side). he said that by occasionally switching which wrist was on top, he didn't get carpal tunnel. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Mon Apr 30 12:21:53 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Super computer aftermath In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1098C8@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 11:42:53AM -0500 References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1098C8@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010430122153.H30493@real-time.com> > Nope, I went to a drug dealer siezed assets auction instead. Ever see a > $22,000 persian rug go for $1100? It makes you wanna cry. Or $10,000 > pieces of furniture go for $400? Unreal. Too bad there wasn't any computer > equipment. :) where was this? when's the next one? not that I need more junk...even computer junk. :) Carl. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Apr 30 13:12:10 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Super computer aftermath Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1098CA@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> It was at the Millenium hotel in downtown MPLS. They come through town every 3-4 months, and put ads in the paper for them. I'm on their mailing list now, so I'll get notification of the next one. > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom [mailto:chrome@real-time.com] > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 12:22 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Super computer aftermath > > > > Nope, I went to a drug dealer siezed assets auction > instead. Ever see a > > $22,000 persian rug go for $1100? It makes you wanna cry. > Or $10,000 > > pieces of furniture go for $400? Unreal. Too bad there > wasn't any computer > > equipment. :) > > where was this? when's the next one? > > not that I need more junk...even computer junk. :) > > Carl. > -- > Network Engineer > Real-Time Enterprises > (952) 943-8700 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Mon Apr 30 13:13:36 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Follow-up on CD ripping problems In-Reply-To: <15085.36469.726964.740476@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 30 Apr 2001, Robert P. Goldman wrote: > I'm not sure what to look for. I have found that other boxen, both > linux and w2k are able to read CDs that cause this one problems. So > I'm starting to wonder if it isn't the drive itself, or at least the > relationship between the drive and the driver. OK, moving from player to player casts immediate doubt on the CD! If you look (usually from the bottom, IIRC) there are human readable numbers, sometimes even a little logo or something on the band of stuff just outside the center hole, but inside the data area of the disk. That's what I meant to look for. But, as I said, if the disk plays well on some, not on the other, then it may well be the player. Very reasonable to think that a servo in one machine is flakier than others. This is all done with PLL's and funny optics that decide how to keep the laser in the right spot over the disc. It's definitely easier to break than software! -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Mon Apr 30 13:20:36 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Analog RAM meter In-Reply-To: <20010430110011.35a66891.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 30 Apr 2001, Bill Layer wrote: > Sorry if I dropped the ball, I was on vacation (holiday?) in Iceland and > UK for 10 days. BTW, I'm back. Welcome back, Bill. Why Iceland? Long refueling stop? > If Phil or someone can devise an analog > circuit that runs from a digital source (like a serial port or, even > better, the PC speaker idea...) I'm all for it. I'm not an EE by any > means, my knowledge is pretty much limited to analog (vacuum tube even) > audio circuits. Hey, we could do it with tubes. A voltage follower is a voltage follower, eh? I'd be happy to offer whatever assistance I can. I'm not a double E, more like a 10 1/2 D, but I've played one on TV. > If someone can find a way to use the PC speaker, I think we are in a good > place. If someone can do a driver to amplitude modulate *something*, we can do it. After this week, maybe I can help play with that end of things too. Phil M -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From fertch at mninter.net Mon Apr 30 13:29:41 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SCO server Message-ID: <3AEDAF15.86CDD0BA@mninter.net> I managed to get a hold of an SCO server. How's Linux work on one of these. I believe it's an old dual 486/?? with a couple of 1 GB drives or the like. Anyone ever have luck getting Linux to run on one of these? If so, anything to look out for? Shawn From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Mon Apr 30 13:26:53 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL In-Reply-To: <20010430122153.H30493@real-time.com> Message-ID: OK, first, let me say how much I hate Sun's keyboards. Every time I want to capitalize the letter 'o' I postpone the message I'm composing. I submit that this is why *nix folks don't like to capitalize. Telocity dropped the ball. My negative report on them is that they dated the email saying that the couldn't fulfill the order April 19th, but it was transmitted today. Accordingly, I'm going to punt to Qwest. Bob or Amy, Real-Time is a first choice -- who do I contact. -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From tanner at real-time.com Mon Apr 30 13:30:10 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL In-Reply-To: ; from mend0070@tc.umn.edu on Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 01:26:53PM -0500 References: <20010430122153.H30493@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010430133010.O32073@real-time.com> Quoting Phil Mendelsohn (mend0070@tc.umn.edu): > OK, first, let me say how much I hate Sun's keyboards. Every time I want > to capitalize the letter 'o' I postpone the message I'm composing. I > submit that this is why *nix folks don't like to capitalize. > > Telocity dropped the ball. My negative report on them is that they dated > the email saying that the couldn't fulfill the order April 19th, but it > was transmitted today. > > Accordingly, I'm going to punt to Qwest. Bob or Amy, Real-Time is a first > choice -- who do I contact. Send email to dennis@real-time.com or call and ask for dennis. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From ben at nerp.net Mon Apr 30 13:32:15 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SCO server In-Reply-To: <3AEDAF15.86CDD0BA@mninter.net> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- SCO is just another x86 *NIX, it's just generic PC stuff.. linux, windows, dos, whatever, should work fine Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Mon, 30 Apr 2001, Shawn wrote: > I managed to get a hold of an SCO server. How's Linux work on one of > these. I believe it's an old dual 486/?? with a couple of 1 GB drives > or the like. > > Anyone ever have luck getting Linux to run on one of these? If so, > anything to look out for? > > > Shawn > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBOu2vsctpDhsSpvgtAQGVXwP7BN65SrZb5VK1fapwKHH/+xWAk7w3MmEm WRRZI3s6jGxhpZ1bFd/UBhOkJHX47LeMa/ARm5CcIPAN2Ckh4Gq0HzBXG+1Gke5U vxRBcfSB07FRflzYQ8zSj0L6Zw/jbRpNi+bHxFJ8YxOdBYzrVR/T5ycuBAyeURP9 m/oTlpeNrFA= =bkUg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ben at nerp.net Mon Apr 30 13:33:56 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- haha, Sun keyboard layout rocks.. if you're used it it (sorry about the NCD keyboard layout, blame lion, it was his idea :) Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Mon, 30 Apr 2001, Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > OK, first, let me say how much I hate Sun's keyboards. Every time I want > to capitalize the letter 'o' I postpone the message I'm composing. I > submit that this is why *nix folks don't like to capitalize. > > Telocity dropped the ball. My negative report on them is that they dated > the email saying that the couldn't fulfill the order April 19th, but it > was transmitted today. > > Accordingly, I'm going to punt to Qwest. Bob or Amy, Real-Time is a first > choice -- who do I contact. > > -- > "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBOu2wFstpDhsSpvgtAQGTqAQAr3jxJUSZwCX6aiDXAP99lE/uYwXAaDZq KAeCAh+YVybOoaHDff7Sn7ID7+D+15wNnpDGNEuiVxYHNxk5Lsme1vEKvKD76ut4 VLcuBlbllsCkXSmpVwcLHWPaoOqwrxDN2+werbr3MNAm7SohDiZEHI0bOpM0cLFp sAwDRZzYnY8= =Pr7h -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ben at nerp.net Mon Apr 30 13:36:07 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- wow, i'm on crack or something today.. i just can't think strait.. maybe I need more caffine.. probably.. blah Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Mon, 30 Apr 2001, Ben Kochie wrote: > haha, Sun keyboard layout rocks.. if you're used it it (sorry about the > NCD keyboard layout, blame lion, it was his idea :) > > Thank You, > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > On Mon, 30 Apr 2001, Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > > > OK, first, let me say how much I hate Sun's keyboards. Every time I want > > to capitalize the letter 'o' I postpone the message I'm composing. I > > submit that this is why *nix folks don't like to capitalize. > > > > Telocity dropped the ball. My negative report on them is that they dated > > the email saying that the couldn't fulfill the order April 19th, but it > > was transmitted today. > > > > Accordingly, I'm going to punt to Qwest. Bob or Amy, Real-Time is a first > > choice -- who do I contact. > > > > -- > > "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Pretty Good Privacy(tm) 2.6.3ia - Public-key encryption for the masses. > (c) 1990-96 Philip Zimmermann, Phil's Pretty Good Software. 1996-03-04 > International version - not for use in the USA. Does not use RSAREF. > Current time: 2001/04/30 18:36 GMT > > File has signature. Public key is required to check signature. > . > Good signature from user "Ben Kochie ". > Signature made 2001/04/30 18:34 GMT using 1024-bit key, key ID 12A6F82D > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBOu2wmMtpDhsSpvgtAQFNDwP+NLECMDsSzMi0cGe50UlUnwMlt00BEqzt +Y281jbtP/frL8R2VMZ2KtEP8SRFKGNX0KS+FtJ/TACPRn/McjeMe/RJeDAICuY3 gEThZuh7itTcKizzjvu8y5DJs7tuWXGZQdf/7zSAUZ2bt6UCgvF3Kww4pwm9nYgI 5hQkGqhFrCU= =45WT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jethro at yaron.org Mon Apr 30 13:39:21 2001 From: jethro at yaron.org (jethro@yaron.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <988655961.3aedb15952387@dragon> Hi, Quoting Phil Mendelsohn : > OK, first, let me say how much I hate Sun's keyboards. Every time I > want to capitalize the letter 'o' I postpone the message I'm composing. I > submit that this is why *nix folks don't like to capitalize. Sun have PC-style keyboards. You just have to call Sun and have them replace your Type5. Assuming this is a NEW system (: -Yaron -- From blayer at qwest.net Mon Apr 30 13:43:14 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: MS driver (was: Analog RAM meter) In-Reply-To: <3aed914f.36a4.269167349@cloudnet.com> References: <3aed914f.36a4.269167349@cloudnet.com> Message-ID: <20010430134314.67ddda6c.blayer@qwest.net> On Mon, 30 Apr 2001 16:22:39 GMT "Brian" wrote: > > Is there an existing driver for the PC speaker, like the > > one that MS > > offers for free? > > Where can I find that driver? I used it many years ago and > it was VERY handy since 'Doze likes to ding a lot. I lost > it > somewhere I have it, let me dig it out. Also, it's still on the ms ftp site, last time I checked. -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Mon Apr 30 13:48:21 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL In-Reply-To: <988655961.3aedb15952387@dragon> Message-ID: On Mon, 30 Apr 2001 jethro@yaron.org wrote: > Hi, > > Quoting Phil Mendelsohn : > > > OK, first, let me say how much I hate Sun's keyboards. Every time I > > want to capitalize the letter 'o' I postpone the message I'm composing. I > > submit that this is why *nix folks don't like to capitalize. > > Sun have PC-style keyboards. You just have to call Sun and have them replace > your Type5. Assuming this is a NEW system (: Ain't my machine. I don't think the U would appreciate it if I started having replacement keyboards drop shipped to their labs C.O.D. On a not very related note, I took my son to the library this weekend and found that there's no reason to go wait in line for the internet terminal when then unused card catalog machines are perfectly happy to go to any URL you want, provided you're smart enough to find the menu that gives you the ie "type it in" menu. (St. Paul Public Library, anyway.) -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From carlos at coffeebean.net Mon Apr 30 13:48:06 2001 From: carlos at coffeebean.net (Carlos Sabo) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SCO server In-Reply-To: <3AEDAF15.86CDD0BA@mninter.net> Message-ID: There's nothing SCO specific about the hardware. It's the same PC/Intel stuff Linux can run on. Carlos > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Shawn > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 1:30 PM > To: tc-luglist > Subject: [TCLUG] SCO server > > > I managed to get a hold of an SCO server. How's Linux work on one of > these. I believe it's an old dual 486/?? with a couple of 1 GB drives > or the like. > > Anyone ever have luck getting Linux to run on one of these? If so, > anything to look out for? > > > Shawn > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Mon Apr 30 13:53:13 2001 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:16 2005 Subject: [OT] Sun Keyboards, was Re: [TCLUG] DSL Message-ID: Do they have ones with the PS/2-like connector or USB? I almost ordered USB Type6-es one time and have been very careful since. Our latest batch of Sun-knockoffs can use PS/2 keyboards and mice in addition to the traditional Sun keyboard connections. I definitely don't like switching between Sun and PC keyboards, but I have to say I hate typical laptop keyboards worse. :-/ >>> jethro@yaron.org 04/30/01 01:39PM >>> Sun have PC-style keyboards. You just have to call Sun and have them replace your Type5. Assuming this is a NEW system (: From ben at nerp.net Mon Apr 30 14:00:57 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- and even more fun, (havn't been to one in a while) is that the old dumb terminals have lynx on them, and telnet:// works great :) Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Mon, 30 Apr 2001, Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > On Mon, 30 Apr 2001 jethro@yaron.org wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Quoting Phil Mendelsohn : > > > > > OK, first, let me say how much I hate Sun's keyboards. Every time I > > > want to capitalize the letter 'o' I postpone the message I'm composing. I > > > submit that this is why *nix folks don't like to capitalize. > > > > Sun have PC-style keyboards. You just have to call Sun and have them replace > > your Type5. Assuming this is a NEW system (: > > Ain't my machine. I don't think the U would appreciate it if I started > having replacement keyboards drop shipped to their labs C.O.D. > > On a not very related note, I took my son to the library this weekend and > found that there's no reason to go wait in line for the internet terminal > when then unused card catalog machines are perfectly happy to go to any > URL you want, provided you're smart enough to find the menu that gives you > the ie "type it in" menu. (St. Paul Public Library, anyway.) > > -- > "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBOu22astpDhsSpvgtAQGGAAP9G0c7bzLSQWJ+IbLxvYLw5Dk6jKnYf19T e/PHhseMo+f7pT650m963EtHTrYpbkI/E7IrP7ybz6P0e8byF3C2jcJWMp5qX2co OtMyZqJwFJSD78JhNF8EhMzJTTtmLGrOIINQ0lYSeT+T+t6LkflaImB2gXt4DlbG hSNDSrSL5ac= =JtBY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jacque at fruitioninc.com Mon Apr 30 14:01:12 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Ain't my machine. I don't think the U would appreciate it if I started > having replacement keyboards drop shipped to their labs C.O.D. > > On a not very related note, I took my son to the library this weekend and > found that there's no reason to go wait in line for the internet terminal > when then unused card catalog machines are perfectly happy to go to any > URL you want, provided you're smart enough to find the menu that gives you > the ie "type it in" menu. (St. Paul Public Library, anyway.) > I tutor people at the library to help them learn to use the www, they just changed their system at the mpls public library. Now you need to login with your library card at only specific terminals. The new system is really irritating because it keeps popping up this box asking if you are still there. Very difficult when you are trying to teach someone to use the mouse. "No, click the YES button". I used to teach more advanced users that they could check their webmail from "card catalog" machines, but, alas, those days are gone, or I need to move to St. Paul. ~jacque From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Apr 30 14:11:42 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] custom install Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1098CD@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Ok, so I need to make an install cd that I can basically just pop in, give the box a hostname and IP, and have it install a base system and packages that I have hand picked to be installed also. Any suggestions on the easiest way to do it? Jay From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Mon Apr 30 14:16:40 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 30 Apr 2001, Jacqueline Urick wrote: > The new system is really irritating because it keeps popping up this > box asking if you are still there. Yeah, a catalog is a dangerous thing. We'd better put a dead-man switch on it so no one gets hurt. <:P > Very difficult when you are trying to teach someone to use the mouse. > "No, click the YES button". I used to teach more advanced users that > they could check their webmail from "card catalog" machines, but, > alas, those days are gone, or I need to move to St. Paul. Funny, I always considered people using the card catalog machines to read e-mail "less advanced" (on an evolutionary scale), but that's because I only notice them when I really need to use the catalog! Doesn't matter -- I usually look stuff up in the catalog before I leave home anyway. -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From fertch at mninter.net Mon Apr 30 14:24:10 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SCO server References: Message-ID: <3AEDBBDA.55ED8237@mninter.net> Thanks Ben. I thought it was more than likely possible given the age of the machine, but I wasn't certain. Thought I'd ask. Ben Kochie wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > SCO is just another x86 *NIX, it's just generic PC stuff.. linux, windows, > dos, whatever, should work fine > > Thank You, > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > From esper at sherohman.org Mon Apr 30 14:22:56 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] custom install In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1098CD@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 02:11:42PM -0500 References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1098CD@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010430142256.P7049@sherohman.org> On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 02:11:42PM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > Ok, so I need to make an install cd that I can basically just pop in, give > the box a hostname and IP, and have it install a base system and packages > that I have hand picked to be installed also. Any suggestions on the > easiest way to do it? Are you looking for something like FAI? http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ -- That's not gibberish... It's Linux. - Byers, The Lone Gunmen Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Mon Apr 30 14:26:05 2001 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] custom install In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1098CD@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 02:11:42PM -0500 References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1098CD@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010430142605.A34165@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Have you look at the REdHat Kickstart stuff? It can do what you're talking about with DHCP and pre/post-install scripts. Scott Dier prolly knows more about it than I do, since he uses it all the time :) Scott? Gabe On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 02:11:42PM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > Ok, so I need to make an install cd that I can basically just pop in, give > the box a hostname and IP, and have it install a base system and packages > that I have hand picked to be installed also. Any suggestions on the > easiest way to do it? > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "My dinosaur droppings! Painted like Easter eggs!" - Ren Hoek in "Sven Hoek" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jacque at fruitioninc.com Mon Apr 30 14:34:00 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:16 2005 Subject: libraries: was [TCLUG] DSL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > Very difficult when you are trying to teach someone to use the mouse. > > "No, click the YES button". I used to teach more advanced users that > > they could check their webmail from "card catalog" machines, but, > > alas, those days are gone, or I need to move to St. Paul. > > Funny, I always considered people using the card catalog machines to read > e-mail "less advanced" (on an evolutionary scale), but that's because I > only notice them when I really need to use the catalog! Doesn't matter -- > I usually look stuff up in the catalog before I leave home anyway. Yeah, but most of those people don't have a machine a home. At least with the new system, you don't have to sign up to use the machines, you just go to an open machine and login with your card. They have to keep track of how many use the machines because that helps determine funding, etc. ~j From natecars at real-time.com Mon Apr 30 14:51:26 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] custom install In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1098CD@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 30 Apr 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > Ok, so I need to make an install cd that I can basically just pop in, give > the box a hostname and IP, and have it install a base system and packages > that I have hand picked to be installed also. Any suggestions on the > easiest way to do it? If you'r a redhat-ish person, the kickstarts work.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From jonathankl_2001 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 30 15:05:18 2001 From: jonathankl_2001 at yahoo.com (Jonathan Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] custom install In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010430200518.21934.qmail@web13405.mail.yahoo.com> If your a slack type, make your own tag files... Oh wait never mind it's easy! --- Nate Carlson wrote: > On Mon, 30 Apr 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > > Ok, so I need to make an install cd that I can basically just pop > in, give > > the box a hostname and IP, and have it install a base system and > packages > > that I have hand picked to be installed also. Any suggestions on > the > > easiest way to do it? > > If you'r a redhat-ish person, the kickstarts work.. > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Apr 30 15:13:27 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] custom install In-Reply-To: <20010430142605.A34165@sorry.cs.umn.edu>; from dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu on Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 02:26:05PM -0500 References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1098CD@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> <20010430142605.A34165@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010430151326.K7366@ringworld.org> * dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu [010430 14:46]: > Have you look at the REdHat Kickstart stuff? It can do what you're talking > about with DHCP and pre/post-install scripts. Scott Dier prolly knows more > about it than I do, since he uses it all the time :) Actually, I'm moving away to progeny autoinstall. :) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010430/a7683ba5/attachment.pgp From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Apr 30 15:25:50 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] custom install Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1098CE@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Stay far away from the 2.4 kernel in Progeny. I used their provided 2.4.2 image, and I also compiled my own 2.4.3 image, and in both cases, they system was terribly unstable, crashed several times a day filling my logs with stack traces before dying completely, and the mount/umount commands would always segfault, so reboots would never go cleanly. I switched the 2.2.19 kernel, and all is well again. This happened on 5 different machines with Progeny installed. I filed bug reports, but got no response from anyone there, and they don't appear in their bug tracking system either. Seems like they've abandoned the project or something. I even sent emails. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Dier [mailto:dieman+tclug@ringworld.org] > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 3:13 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] custom install > > > * dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu [010430 14:46]: > > Have you look at the REdHat Kickstart stuff? It can do > what you're talking > > about with DHCP and pre/post-install scripts. Scott Dier > prolly knows more > > about it than I do, since he uses it all the time :) > > Actually, I'm moving away to progeny autoinstall. :) > > -- > Scott Dier > http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net > > So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant > From zibby at ringworld.org Mon Apr 30 16:17:41 2001 From: zibby at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] custom install In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1098CE@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: zodd, running 2.4.2 (or 2.4.3? don't remember) on a laptop with no such troubles. Perhaps the kernel gods are frowning on you... ;) | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | | His power apparently lies in his ability to | | choose incompetent enemies. | | - Crow T. Robot, MST3K, "Prince of Space" | From atebbe at real-time.com Mon Apr 30 16:19:56 2001 From: atebbe at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG Meeting Saturday Message-ID: <20010430161956.T8531@real-time.com> There will be a TCLUG Meeting Saturday. Details follow: Date: Sat 5/5 Time: noon - 2pm Topic: OpenNMS Presenter: Shane O'Donnell, OpenNMS.org OpenNMS is free, open-source network management system software written in Java. It aspires to compete with HP OpenView and like software. For more information, see www.opennms.org Shane is coming all the way from North Carolina so I would appreciate having a large crowd there to listen to him. Hope to see you there... -- Amy Tanner Voice: 952.943.8700 Real Time Enterprises, Inc. Fax: 952.943.8500 amy@real-time.com http://www.real-time.com GPG Fingerprint: DAC7 E1B2 80D9 3099 1A20 0817 2DFE 5086 81B3 5466 _______________________________________________ tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From mjn at umn.edu Mon Apr 30 17:15:16 2001 From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] personal preferences: joysticks In-Reply-To: <20010428142311.B6287@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Apr 28, 2001 Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom said something like: > so what do people like, for jostick models out there? I'm pretty picky about > how ergonomic the button layout is; and it better work *completely* under > linux; but I have virtually no experience with them. I like the Saitek Cyborg 3d (now the Cyborg 3D Gold Stick) mostly because of the stick-twist roll control for simulator games and it fairly comfortable to use and easily adjustable: http://www.saitekusa.com/product/joy.htm According to this page about the LID Project, it is fully supported; although I have not tried it. http://www.suse.cz/development/input/ ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com http://supermonkeycollider.dyndns.org/ ____________________________ From tanner at real-time.com Mon Apr 30 17:34:41 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dell and the Windows Tax Message-ID: <20010430173441.L24548@real-time.com> Hmph. Dell is still charging the Windows tax. Same price for the same hardware, except one is running Windows 2000 and the other is running RedHat 7.1. Go figure. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From chrome at real-time.com Mon Apr 30 19:53:00 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lokigames In-Reply-To: <20010429213738.B13468@ares>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 09:37:38PM -0500 References: <20010428203814.B25076@ares> <20010429161916.A14702@real-time.com> <20010429213738.B13468@ares> Message-ID: <20010430195300.B23049@real-time.com> > >I'm running 'testing' and currently have X 4.0.2. I hear that X 4.0.3 will > >support my G450 vid board, tho (without the nasty Matrox binary). > > Possibly, I also have one of those at work. I hate it. hate hate hate. I'm > going to stick with NVidia cards from now on. well, NVidia didn't have a dual-head board at the time. (they do now, don't they?). NVidia wasn't too open about their drivers either, last I heard. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Mon Apr 30 19:54:41 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:18 2005 Subject: VXA tape drives (was:Re: [TCLUG] Burners) In-Reply-To: <3AEB955F.D79CB965@mninter.net>; from fertch@mninter.net on Sat, Apr 28, 2001 at 11:15:27PM -0500 References: <3AE87174.DBAE4B51@mninter.net> <20010428154205.F6287@real-time.com> <3AEB955F.D79CB965@mninter.net> Message-ID: <20010430195441.D23049@real-time.com> > Out of curiosity, is it an internal or external, and what kind of > software are you using? Internal. Using tar on it. (via Amanda). Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From atebbe at real-time.com Mon Apr 30 20:00:54 2001 From: atebbe at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG Meeting Saturday - with location Message-ID: <20010430200054.L27062@real-time.com> ...a friendly lug'r pointed out that I failed to mention the location in the previous posting.... so here it is again: There will be a TCLUG Meeting Saturday. Details follow: Date: Sat 5/5 Time: noon - 2pm Topic: OpenNMS Presenter: Shane O'Donnell, OpenNMS.org Location: Benchmark Computer Learning Center 4510 West 77th Street Edina, MN Directions: http://www.benchmarklearning.com/Directions_to_Benchmark.asp OpenNMS is free, open-source network management system software written in Java. It aspires to compete with HP OpenView and like software. For more information, see www.opennms.org Shane is coming all the way from North Carolina so I would appreciate having a large crowd there to listen to him. Hope to see you there... -- Amy Tanner Voice: 952.943.8700 Real Time Enterprises, Inc. Fax: 952.943.8500 amy@real-time.com http://www.real-time.com GPG Fingerprint: DAC7 E1B2 80D9 3099 1A20 0817 2DFE 5086 81B3 5466 ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Amy Tanner Voice: 952.943.8700 Real Time Enterprises, Inc. Fax: 952.943.8500 amy@real-time.com http://www.real-time.com GPG Fingerprint: DAC7 E1B2 80D9 3099 1A20 0817 2DFE 5086 81B3 5466 _______________________________________________ tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From thekremer at mn.mediaone.net Mon Apr 30 20:04:31 2001 From: thekremer at mn.mediaone.net (Justin Kremer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:19 2005 Subject: OT: [TCLUG] grrr...sun keyboards was: DSL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200105010106.f4116Mx21676@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> I feel the same way about sun keyboards. There are two 450's and a 250 at work that I use regularly, and I would actually consider buying a keyboard with a more standard layout to plug in when i use them, but then I would have to reboot them every time (unplugging the keyboard causes the machine to halt) and that would suck, cuz as nice as they are, they take FOREVER to reboot! anyway...i'm done ranting -Kremer On 30 Apr 2001 13:26:53 -0500, Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > OK, first, let me say how much I hate Sun's keyboards. Every time I want > to capitalize the letter 'o' I postpone the message I'm composing. I > submit that this is why *nix folks don't like to capitalize. From chrome at real-time.com Mon Apr 30 20:27:12 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:19 2005 Subject: VXA tape drives (was:Re: [TCLUG] Burners) In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1098BE@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Sat, Apr 28, 2001 at 06:47:08PM -0500 References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1098BE@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010430202712.E23049@real-time.com> > Sam-FS from LSCI (http://www.lsci.com). They're based here in the twin > cities, and the guys that work for them are extremely nice people and easy > to work with. too bad their web page isn't... it's all .asps and doesn't render right under Netscape. Doesn't render at all under Galeon (Mozilla). documents (other than the marketdroid teasers) are in .pdfs. guess I didn't need to see their stuff anyway. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From andyzib at ringworld.org Mon Apr 30 21:03:42 2001 From: andyzib at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lokigames References: <20010428203814.B25076@ares> <20010429161916.A14702@real-time.com> <20010429213738.B13468@ares> <20010430195300.B23049@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3AEE197E.9579E4E@ringworld.org> > well, NVidia didn't have a dual-head board at the time. (they do now, don't > they?). Yes, and you can do OpenGL across both heads. > NVidia wasn't too open about their drivers either, last I heard. Still have biniary parts to the driver yes, but I can deal with that as their driver does kick the crap out of everything else. -- | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | | This message is protected by double ROT13 | | encryption. Any attempt to circumvent the | | digital protection is banned by the DMCA. | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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What email are you sending to? -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010430/de458605/attachment.pgp From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Apr 30 21:28:39 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dell and the Windows Tax In-Reply-To: <20010430173441.L24548@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 05:34:41PM -0500 References: <20010430173441.L24548@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010430212839.O7366@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [010430 17:37]: > Same price for the same hardware, except one is running Windows 2000 and the > other is running RedHat 7.1. Ok, what is oem w2k, and what is rh 7.1 professional with support again? :) I think they could probally get it oem for 99.95 if htey push the issue at best for w2k. how much is rh7.1 with support, 70-80$ from redhat? -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010430/94526fdf/attachment.pgp From mthoren at mttcc.com Mon Apr 30 21:30:17 2001 From: mthoren at mttcc.com (Matt Thoren) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Business Software Alliance... Message-ID: <3AEE1FB9.5D9EB463@mttcc.com> Has anyone else received a letter from the "Business Software Alliance" stating that "The BSA is calling a Truce. You have until May 31 to get legal." This is in regards to software licensing. The supposedly represent Adobe, Apple, Autodesk, Bently Systems, CNC Software/Mastercam, Macromedia, Microsoft, Symantec and UGS. I am assuming that this is a scam of some kind. I apologize ahead of time if it is an I am only now aware of it. If it is not, what possibly could they do? Thanks, Matt. -- Matt Thoren MTT Computer Consulting Inc. 2633 Fremont Ave. North Minneapolis, MN 55411 mthoren@mttcc.com http://www.mttcc.com From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Apr 30 21:50:32 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Business Software Alliance... In-Reply-To: <3AEE1FB9.5D9EB463@mttcc.com>; from mthoren@mttcc.com on Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 09:30:17PM -0500 References: <3AEE1FB9.5D9EB463@mttcc.com> Message-ID: <20010430215032.P7366@ringworld.org> * Matt Thoren [010430 21:33]: > Has anyone else received a letter from the "Business Software Alliance" > stating that "The BSA is calling a Truce. You have until May 31 to get Oh. Cool. The BSA Holy Patrol *is* coming to town. I would just make sure your paperwork (ie:receipts) are in order so when the 'patrol' comes into town to beat you into submission you have a lawyer and your 'paperwork' handy to show them. Suck. Ass. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <20010430215032.P7366@ringworld.org>; from dieman+tclug@ringworld.org on Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 09:50:32PM -0500 References: <3AEE1FB9.5D9EB463@mttcc.com> <20010430215032.P7366@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010430223418.C31735@minime.sistina.com> On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 09:50:32PM -0500, Scott Dier wrote: >* Matt Thoren [010430 21:33]: >> Has anyone else received a letter from the "Business Software Alliance" >> stating that "The BSA is calling a Truce. You have until May 31 to get Nothing if you take them down into the programmers cave and show them a whole slew of linux workstations. > >Oh. Cool. The BSA Holy Patrol *is* coming to town. > >I would just make sure your paperwork (ie:receipts) are in order so when >the 'patrol' comes into town to beat you into submission you have a >lawyer and your 'paperwork' handy to show them. > >Suck. Ass. >-- >Scott Dier >http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net > >So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -- Ben Lutgens cell: XXX.XXX.XXXX Sistina Software Inc. work: XXX.XXX.XXXX Mailing list admin / Punching Bag (and sorta sysadmin guy) http://www.sistina.com/ <--- great software http://www.gentoo.org/ <--- great distro Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream <--- perfect error message -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010430/23a8fe3c/attachment.pgp From tanner at real-time.com Mon Apr 30 22:36:38 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Business Software Alliance... In-Reply-To: <20010430223418.C31735@minime.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 10:34:18PM -0500 References: <3AEE1FB9.5D9EB463@mttcc.com> <20010430215032.P7366@ringworld.org> <20010430223418.C31735@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010430223638.C1639@real-time.com> Quoting Ben Lutgens (blutgens@sistina.com): > Nothing if you take them down into the programmers cave and show them a whole > slew of linux workstations. > > > > >Oh. Cool. The BSA Holy Patrol *is* coming to town. Maybe the LUG should approach all the companies that get hit by the BSA and explain how they could save a whole lot of money with Linux and open software. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Apr 30 23:05:18 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:20:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Business Software Alliance... In-Reply-To: <20010430223638.C1639@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 10:36:38PM -0500 References: <3AEE1FB9.5D9EB463@mttcc.com> <20010430215032.P7366@ringworld.org> <20010430223418.C31735@minime.sistina.com> <20010430223638.C1639@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010430230518.S7366@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [010430 22:40]: > Maybe the LUG should approach all the companies that get hit by the BSA and > explain how they could save a whole lot of money with Linux and open software. Or perhaps the whole point of pointing out 'free software' and the BSA is more to show how even though you pay for software, you lose rights. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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