Well I finally got some time and logged into the chat on AT&T's help site. Turned out they're MUCH more helpful. I don't believe I'll ever try the email support again. Talked with a level 2 tech there that had me try using proxy.mn.mediaone.net:8080 as my http proxy and then things worked. When asked why this is helping his response was that above.net and ballaxxi.net(sp?) are having problems and the traffic from around here bounces through those networks on the way out, so the proxy gets around it. I'm not intending to keep this as a permanent solution, since some sites don't like the proxy so good, but it is working, for now. -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe at mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39