From tanner at real-time.com Thu Feb 1 00:14:44 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] gabber on RedHat 7.0 In-Reply-To: <3A78F755.1CEB063@ringworld.org>; from andyzib@ringworld.org on Wed, Jan 31, 2001 at 11:42:45PM -0600 References: <20010131163725.P19728@real-time.com> <3A78F755.1CEB063@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010201001444.D28709@real-time.com> Quoting Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) (andyzib@ringworld.org): > > Seems that gabber wants gnomemm, gtkmm and others, which are not part of RedHat > > 7.0 and the binaries on the site are for 6.2 and don't work under 7.0 > > > > Just wanted to ask before walking down the hacking path. > > Are there Ximian GNOME packages for the stuff you need? All the packages I > needed under Debian were there. If you get it working, zibby@jabber.org :) > no, missing several packages. Just for rh 7.0, they are there in bin format for 6.2 -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From ftomlinson at cwctv.net Thu Feb 1 05:18:26 2001 From: ftomlinson at cwctv.net (ftomlinson@cwctv.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: <0ba602011110121DTVMAIL10@smtp.cwctv.net> From RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com Thu Feb 1 06:33:38 2001 From: RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off Message-ID: <8794B3B640FED2118D8600C00D0020A593F0A1@ipserver2.interplastic.com> They've pretty much IE'd everything on the site, although it appears with Opera. Alot of the things on that site only work properly with ie. You are correct sir, it sucks. > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Tanner [SMTP:tanner@real-time.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 9:15 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off > > Anyone else go to www.microsoft.com and NOT get the search text entry > widget in > the upper left corner when running netscape or mozilla? > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > From kent at structural-wood.com Thu Feb 1 07:25:56 2001 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off References: <20010131211451.D22215@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3A7963E4.6473E6DC@structural-wood.com> Bob Tanner wrote: > > Anyone else go to www.microsoft.com and NOT get the search text entry widget in > the upper left corner when running netscape or mozilla? > > -- Has anyone tried to get new tags for your car at the mndot web site? It doesn't work with Netscape or Mozilla - the URL ends in a .asp. I wrote them a nice little e-mail asking what the problem is. If they don't make it work for me I'm planning on raising a stink - anyone care to join in? From JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com Thu Feb 1 07:38:38 2001 From: JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com (Miller, John) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Free at last, free at last [long] Message-ID: I have Mediaone and will attest to the fact that at times my connection is slow. Also I can attest to the fact that they are monitoring my connection right now. I got the Ramen Noodle worm When it went looking for other computers to infect, that probably raised a few eyebrows at Mediaone, I have read that the Noodles search consumes larges amount of bandwidth. So mediaone sent me an e-mail that they are watching my connection for abuse. I just use my server for learning, I don't plan on using it for anything big or anything that depends 100% on a connection because Mediaone can change my IP address at anytime. Mediaone servers my needs at this time. John Miller Dain Rauscher Inc. Application Services IS Capital Markets Phone 612-547-7573 Fax 612-547-7580 -----Original Message----- From: Tom Hudak [mailto:thudak@sistina.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 1:24 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Free at last, free at last [long] On Wed, Jan 31, 2001 at 10:58:10AM -0600, Phil Plumbo wrote: >Ironically, all this hassle caused me to start investigating cable, and it >appears that can get far better service for $25 less per month. Hmmm.... As well as a good view of what your neighbor is looking at should you have "The probability of someone watching you is directly proportional to the stupidity of your action." > > > > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Thomas J. Hudak Systems Administrator Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com Phone: 612.379.3951 Page: 612.318.1967 Fax: 612.379.3952 _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com Thu Feb 1 07:12:02 2001 From: JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com (Miller, John) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: network setup Message-ID: I have not used WINY2K but I have networked three computers at home together. It only took me a month to get two of them to talk to each other, then I had to reload my RH and it took me another month to get them to talk to each other again. When I had to do it a third time, it only took two days. One thing I think might be important would be the work group and computer ID's. You said that some of the boxes won't even ping themselves, which ones. The ones that can ping themselves, can Debian ping them. Also how many boxes (I am curious). John Miller Dain Rauscher Inc. Application Services IS Capital Markets Phone 612-547-7573 Fax 612-547-7580 -----Original Message----- From: Dave Kleist [mailto:dkleist@acm.org] Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 9:45 PM To: TCLUG Subject: [TCLUG] OT: network setup Off-topic: I'm trying to get some windows boxes (2000, ME) to connect on the network and ping to each other. They won't but the Debian box seems to be okay. I've got addresses assigned, etc, but they won't talk to each other: some boxes won't even ping themselves. Anybody seen anything like this before? Any hints or suggestions (it's already occurred to me to have a huge bonfire). Thanks. - Dave -- Dave Kleist dkleist@acm.org "The covers of this book are too far apart." - Ambrose Bierce _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ben at nerp.net Thu Feb 1 08:00:53 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] This article burns ms In-Reply-To: <20010131230951.B28709@real-time.com> Message-ID: yea.. we know.. MS is going through the denial stage of things.. don't worry, it just meens we're winning :) Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Wed, 31 Jan 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,41527,00.html > > I don't normally vent, but this guy a MS is an ass. > > MS Exec: Linux Is Going Down > > The "recent security problems" is NOT linux specific, it's a BIND problem AND MS > should talk about 1. security 2. dns. Doesn't seem that they know very much > about either from recent events. > > The paragraph about laptops. I guess Miller hasn't tried to install Windows on a > laptop lately either. My Vaio F590K, won't do NT, 95 or 98, got to run 2K AND > only the Sony OEM version. So, yeah, I bought a laptop from a vendor who > supports Windows, same logic applies for linux. > > Does NT or 2K support swappable CPUs or memory? > > Man, was NT or 2k (with DOS as it's roots) designed with swappable CPU and > memory? > > Yes, VA took a bath in the market, but so did Microsoft. > > Ahh, the agony. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From kethry at winternet.com Thu Feb 1 08:10:50 2001 From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off In-Reply-To: <3A7963E4.6473E6DC@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Kent Schumacher wrote: > Bob Tanner wrote: > > > > Anyone else go to www.microsoft.com and NOT get the search text entry widget in > > the upper left corner when running netscape or mozilla? > > > > -- > > Has anyone tried to get new tags for your car at the mndot web site? It doesn't > work with Netscape or Mozilla - the URL ends in a .asp. I wrote them a nice > little e-mail asking what the problem is. If they don't make it work for me > I'm planning on raising a stink - anyone care to join in? what doesn't work about it - considering all an asp is is a server side script redirecting or filtering content, it shouldn't matter the browser as long as the server side is running IIS or something M$-ey...I can get there and run fine using Netscape...but I couldn't go through the entire process 'cuz my tabs aren't due to expire by March 2001. Liz -- Imagination is intelligence having fun... e-mail: kethry@winternet.com URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html From andy at theasis.com Thu Feb 1 08:14:12 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] This article burns ms In-Reply-To: <20010131230951.B28709@real-time.com> Message-ID: > http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,41527,00.html > > I don't normally vent, but this guy a MS is an ass. > > MS Exec: Linux Is Going Down > > The "recent security problems" is NOT linux specific, it's a BIND problem AND MS > should talk about 1. security 2. dns. Doesn't seem that they know very much > about either from recent events. That doesn't matter. Even if they do, chances are that they can get more PR mileage out of it by making statements like this, cuz more people will believe it than not. Andy From jsowers at osii.com Thu Feb 1 08:36:40 2001 From: jsowers at osii.com (Jason Sowers) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off In-Reply-To: <3A7963E4.6473E6DC@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: I'm in with ya ____________________________________ Jason Sowers Network Engineer Open Systems International 3600 Holly Lane North Suite 40 Minneapolis, MN 55447-1286 Phone: (763) 551-0559 Fax: (763) 551-1750 Email: jsowers@osii.com http: www.osii.com & www.e-scada.com -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Kent Schumacher Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 7:26 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off Bob Tanner wrote: > > Anyone else go to www.microsoft.com and NOT get the search text entry widget in > the upper left corner when running netscape or mozilla? > > -- Has anyone tried to get new tags for your car at the mndot web site? It doesn't work with Netscape or Mozilla - the URL ends in a .asp. I wrote them a nice little e-mail asking what the problem is. If they don't make it work for me I'm planning on raising a stink - anyone care to join in? _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jamie at getsetnet.net Thu Feb 1 08:40:04 2001 From: jamie at getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off - UN-Installfest References: <20010131211451.D22215@real-time.com> <3A7963E4.6473E6DC@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <001a01c08c5c$ef5c5720$991ea8c0@digitalriver.com> Maybe at the next TCLUG meeting we can have an UNinstallfest. We can have a contest to see how quickly participants can Uninstall Win NT or 2K from their boxes.:-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kent Schumacher" To: Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 7:25 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off > Bob Tanner wrote: > > > > Anyone else go to www.microsoft.com and NOT get the search text entry widget in > > the upper left corner when running netscape or mozilla? > > > > -- > > Has anyone tried to get new tags for your car at the mndot web site? It doesn't > work with Netscape or Mozilla - the URL ends in a .asp. I wrote them a nice > little e-mail asking what the problem is. If they don't make it work for me > I'm planning on raising a stink - anyone care to join in? > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From esper at sherohman.org Thu Feb 1 09:40:34 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off In-Reply-To: ; from kethry@winternet.com on Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 08:10:50AM -0600 References: <3A7963E4.6473E6DC@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <20010201094033.B24529@sherohman.org> On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 08:10:50AM -0600, Liz Burke-Scovill wrote: > what doesn't work about it - considering all an asp is is a server side > script redirecting or filtering content, it shouldn't matter the browser > as long as the server side is running IIS or something M$-ey... One possibility: MSIE gives URI extensions precedence over HTTP content-type. MSIE probably knows that .asp = HTML document, but Netscape may (should) not. So if, for some reason, an ASP document doesn't include a content-type header, it will work fine for MSIE users, but may not be handled as intended by Netscape. The one caveat is that, having never worked with ASP, I don't know whether the content-type is added automagically by the ASP engine (like a static page) or you have to set it manually within the script (like CGI or apache modules). If it's automatic, then the content-type header should always be present. (As for the MSIE "quirk", I discovered that when an MSIE user tried to access one of my apache modules with a string of parameters that ended with "...&EmailAddress=user@company.com" and MSIE complained about it not being an executable file. After a few minutes' puzzlement, I realized that, despite the "content-type: text/plain", MSIE said, ".com? That's a DOS command file!" and proved it by adding "&dummy=foo" to the end of the parameter list. Idjits.) -- SGI products are used to create the 'Bugs' that entertain us in theatres and at home. - SGI job posting Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From esper at sherohman.org Thu Feb 1 08:55:23 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off In-Reply-To: <3A7963E4.6473E6DC@structural-wood.com>; from kent@structural-wood.com on Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 07:25:56AM -0600 References: <20010131211451.D22215@real-time.com> <3A7963E4.6473E6DC@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <20010201085523.A24529@sherohman.org> On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 07:25:56AM -0600, Kent Schumacher wrote: > Has anyone tried to get new tags for your car at the mndot web site? It doesn't > work with Netscape or Mozilla - the URL ends in a .asp. I wrote them a nice > little e-mail asking what the problem is. If they don't make it work for me > I'm planning on raising a stink - anyone care to join in? Huh? They must've just broken it recently. I did mine last October and didn't have any problems. -- SGI products are used to create the 'Bugs' that entertain us in theatres and at home. - SGI job posting Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From esper at sherohman.org Thu Feb 1 09:41:57 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off - UN-Installfest In-Reply-To: <001a01c08c5c$ef5c5720$991ea8c0@digitalriver.com>; from jamie@getsetnet.net on Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 08:40:04AM -0600 References: <20010131211451.D22215@real-time.com> <3A7963E4.6473E6DC@structural-wood.com> <001a01c08c5c$ef5c5720$991ea8c0@digitalriver.com> Message-ID: <20010201094157.C24529@sherohman.org> On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 08:40:04AM -0600, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > Maybe at the next TCLUG meeting we can have an UNinstallfest. > We can have a contest to see how quickly participants can Uninstall Win NT > or 2K from their boxes.:-) Quick is easy: fdisk I think it would have to be judged on style instead of speed. -- SGI products are used to create the 'Bugs' that entertain us in theatres and at home. - SGI job posting Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From bradyh at bitstream.net Thu Feb 1 10:21:38 2001 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off In-Reply-To: References: <3A7963E4.6473E6DC@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20010201101607.00c05710@mail.bitstream.net> I recently emailed the USBanks online people because they don't support Mozilla. I'm guessing they detect the browser and if it's anything other than Netscape or IE they give you a message saying your browser isn't supported. I can understand why they'd want to be careful but now that Mozilla has built-in SSL it seems like it would be just a matter of saying - "Use with other browsers at your own risk..." Brady >-----Original Message----- >From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org >[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Kent Schumacher >Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 7:26 AM >To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >Subject: Re: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off > > >Bob Tanner wrote: > > > > Anyone else go to www.microsoft.com and NOT get the search text entry >widget in > > the upper left corner when running netscape or mozilla? > > > > -- > >Has anyone tried to get new tags for your car at the mndot web site? It >doesn't >work with Netscape or Mozilla - the URL ends in a .asp. I wrote them a nice >little e-mail asking what the problem is. If they don't make it work for me >I'm planning on raising a stink - anyone care to join in? From andyzb at ltiflex.com Thu Feb 1 10:55:36 2001 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off - UN-Installfest References: <20010131211451.D22215@real-time.com> <3A7963E4.6473E6DC@structural-wood.com> <001a01c08c5c$ef5c5720$991ea8c0@digitalriver.com> Message-ID: <3A799508.5DDE38F3@ltiflex.com> Hehe. fdisk /dev/hda d, 1 o w It's gone. :) -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If they don't make it work for me > > I'm planning on raising a stink - anyone care to join in? > > what doesn't work about it - considering all an asp is is a server side > script redirecting or filtering content, it shouldn't matter the browser > as long as the server side is running IIS or something M$-ey...I can get > there and run fine using Netscape...but I couldn't go through the entire > process 'cuz my tabs aren't due to expire by March 2001. > > Liz > Hi Liz, The url is http://www.dps.state.mn.us/dvs/renewTest/Renewal/home.asp. If I press on the credit card button in netscape, netscape blows out. This is on netscape 4.61 on Linux, netscape 4.75 on Linux, and netscape 4.72 on solaris. If I press on the credit card button in mozilla m7 on Linux, the barber pole spins for a while and then stops - the display doesn't change. I guess I pointed out the .asp extension since I associate it with IIS, and I am SOOO used to having interopability problems with anything M$-ey. So, does anyone have any bright ideas about how to apply pressure on the state to get it to adopt web sites that work with browsers other than exploder? Kent From cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu Thu Feb 1 10:15:24 2001 From: cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu (Charles Clifton Fulton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off - UN-Installfest In-Reply-To: <001a01c08c5c$ef5c5720$991ea8c0@digitalriver.com> Message-ID: I'd really like to see someone make an "Add/Remove Programs" plug in to un-install windows. While there at it how about an add Linux plug in. On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > Maybe at the next TCLUG meeting we can have an UNinstallfest. > We can have a contest to see how quickly participants can Uninstall Win NT > or 2K from their boxes.:-) From joe.rio at bankofamerica.com Thu Feb 1 12:06:48 2001 From: joe.rio at bankofamerica.com (joe.rio@bankofamerica.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Netscape Directory server Message-ID: <9510DF2FECA8D311816800508B6F478E7917AB@chitmd19.nt.il.nbgfn.com> Has anybody encountered the following warning on Netscapes Directory Server (SUN MACHINE)? WARNING, skipping entry found with no parent "ou=Netscape Servers,o=airius.com" ending line 2796 in input file Airius.ldif This doesn't happen with OpenLDAP. Thanks, Joe From andyzb at ltiflex.com Thu Feb 1 11:06:36 2001 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] This article burns ms References: <20010131230951.B28709@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3A79979C.DF26E018@ltiflex.com> Bob Tanner wrote: > > http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,41527,00.html > > I don't normally vent, but this guy a MS is an ass. > > MS Exec: Linux Is Going Down Step back, take a look at who is writing the article. Hmm, marketing guy. Do you think he has the customers best interests in mind or is he just trying to gain a stock point or two? Does he even know what he's writing about? (Ahem, NO!) So he's writing to anyone who will read what he wrote, assuem it must be the trust since it's a page on microsoft.com, and Microsoft is always right. Hopefully there are enough people out there who don't just accept everything fed to them as the unbiased truth and will step back and actually research, compare, etc. and realize that this guy isn't exactly right. Personally, I think this article is self distructive. You probally shouldn't post something like this when someone can replace all instances of Linux with Windows and all instances of linux companies with Microsoft and the article is still true. FUD at work. They really should just come out and and do a side by side comparsion of the two operatins systems. If they did, their investors might not freak out so badly when big security things happen. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: andyzb.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 367 bytes Desc: Card for Andy Zbikowski Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010201/b390a473/andyzb.vcf From jamie at getsetnet.net Thu Feb 1 11:14:12 2001 From: jamie at getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off - UN-Installfest References: <20010131211451.D22215@real-time.com> <3A7963E4.6473E6DC@structural-wood.com> <001a01c08c5c$ef5c5720$991ea8c0@digitalriver.com> <20010201094157.C24529@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <002901c08c72$77b75d80$991ea8c0@digitalriver.com> > Quick is easy: fdisk > > I think it would have to be judged on style instead of speed. > Maybe we could construct a large wooden catapult and see who can launch their Windows machines the farthest. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Sherohman" To: Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off - UN-Installfest > On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 08:40:04AM -0600, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > > Maybe at the next TCLUG meeting we can have an UNinstallfest. > > We can have a contest to see how quickly participants can Uninstall Win NT > > or 2K from their boxes.:-) > > -- > SGI products are used to create the 'Bugs' that entertain us in theatres > and at home. - SGI job posting > Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ > !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spencer at sihope.com Thu Feb 1 23:19:32 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (Spencer Underground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: network setup Message-ID: <3A7A4364.2080907@sihope.com> You might want to check the ip address of all the boxes. micronazi is particular to certain subnets and host addresses. Try and keep everything either in the 10.0.0.x or 192.168.x.x range. For a subnet you usually can get away with the defaults as long as your host addresses are the same. micronazi uses a default of 2555.0.0.0 and lunices use 255.255.255.0 so check that also. Probably the first place to look however is the device manager. Make sure you card is installed into the micronazi matrix first. Also check your lights on the NIC's themselves. Don't forget to double check you cables also. Make sure you hub or router is not blocking ip's or failing.(make sure it's on). If none of that works then.............kick it.......... -Spencer From tim at tneu.visi.com Thu Feb 1 12:18:27 2001 From: tim at tneu.visi.com (tim) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] This article burns ms In-Reply-To: Message-ID: http://satirewire.com/news/0101/linux_quit.shtml What a riot! :-) -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- What the president of the Motion Picture Association of America says about taking away your constitutional rights: "I'm rather jubilant now. What Judge Kaplan did was blow away every one of these brittle and fragile rebuttals. He threw out fair use; he threw out reverse engineering; he threw out linking." - Jack Valenti, president of the Motion Picture Association of America. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ______ _ __ "If you don't have the freedom to use what you / ' ) ) own - then you do not own anything." / o ______ / / _ . . No apologies to Jack Valenti or the MPAA / <_/ / / < / (_ Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 08:40:04AM -0600, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > > Maybe at the next TCLUG meeting we can have an UNinstallfest. > > We can have a contest to see how quickly participants can Uninstall Win NT > > or 2K from their boxes.:-) > > Quick is easy: fdisk > > I think it would have to be judged on style instead of speed. Additional condition: The computer has to operate afterward. Sorry, the catapult and rail guns are a different contest. Phil M -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From gregory.siems at pca.state.mn.us Thu Feb 1 12:43:53 2001 From: gregory.siems at pca.state.mn.us (Siems, Gregory) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off Message-ID: Hey, come on... It isn't the all encompassing state that's doing this, web sites are developed and administered by the various agencies & departments in the state... And not all agencies are using ASP. Netscape 4.61 on WinNT also blows up. Bad web page, bad, bad, bad... > ---------- > From: Kent Schumacher[SMTP:kent@structural-wood.com] > Reply To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 10:01 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off > > Liz Burke-Scovill wrote: > > > > On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Kent Schumacher wrote: > > > > > Bob Tanner wrote: > > > > > > > > Anyone else go to www.microsoft.com and NOT get the search text entry widget in > > > > the upper left corner when running netscape or mozilla? > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Has anyone tried to get new tags for your car at the mndot web site? It doesn't > > > work with Netscape or Mozilla - the URL ends in a .asp. I wrote them a nice > > > little e-mail asking what the problem is. If they don't make it work for me > > > I'm planning on raising a stink - anyone care to join in? > > > > what doesn't work about it - considering all an asp is is a server side > > script redirecting or filtering content, it shouldn't matter the browser > > as long as the server side is running IIS or something M$-ey...I can get > > there and run fine using Netscape...but I couldn't go through the entire > > process 'cuz my tabs aren't due to expire by March 2001. > > > > Liz > > > > Hi Liz, > > The url is http://www.dps.state.mn.us/dvs/renewTest/Renewal/home.asp. > > If I press on the credit card button in netscape, netscape blows out. > This is on netscape 4.61 on Linux, netscape 4.75 on Linux, and > netscape 4.72 on solaris. > > If I press on the credit card button in mozilla m7 on Linux, the > barber pole spins for a while and then stops - the display doesn't > change. > > I guess I pointed out the .asp extension since I associate it with IIS, > and I am SOOO used to having interopability problems with anything > M$-ey. > > So, does anyone have any bright ideas about how to apply pressure on > the state to get it to adopt web sites that work with browsers other > than exploder? > > Kent > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From duncan at sodatrain.com Thu Feb 1 13:00:24 2001 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux/Unix Job Sceene In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello- I am brand new to this list, and i am very sorry if this has ben covered, i didnt see it anywhere. I am writing to ask what the linux / unix / open source job sceene is like in the Minneapolis / St. Paul area. I am a native to MN, however I am living in Boston currently. I lived in MN thru my years at Saint Johns, and then moved to Boston for more internet type jobs. I currently hold a position as a linux systems administrator at a start-up that isint really a startup. (we are approx 60 people, recently closed a VC round of just closed a round of funding for about $20 million and are much more stable and 'normal' that your traditional startup. Anyways, I am moving back to MSP area at the end of june and will be needing a job. I dont really know anything about the market for linux/unix sys admin types. Or for any linux type jobs for that matter. Would you as a community be willing to help shed some light on the market and the kinds of opportunities in Minneapolis and St paul currently? Pointers to resources (beyond the monster.com, hotjobs.com....) I have thought that a university jobs may be cool, and i see that the company that does GFS is in minneaplois, as well as someone working with WINE. Any information would be appreciated, as well as any feedback on salary ranges and cost of living stuff. Thank you very much, i look forward to joining the LUG meetings when I move back! thanks again- -- || || || || || || duncan shannon .-. duncan@sodatrain.com /v\ // \\ /( )\ L I N U X ^^-^^ >Phear the Penguin< From tanner at real-time.com Thu Feb 1 13:04:00 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off In-Reply-To: <3A7963E4.6473E6DC@structural-wood.com>; from kent@structural-wood.com on Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 07:25:56AM -0600 References: <20010131211451.D22215@real-time.com> <3A7963E4.6473E6DC@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <20010201130400.H22215@real-time.com> Quoting Kent Schumacher (kent@structural-wood.com): > Bob Tanner wrote: > > > > Anyone else go to www.microsoft.com and NOT get the search text entry widget in > > the upper left corner when running netscape or mozilla? > > > > -- > > Has anyone tried to get new tags for your car at the mndot web site? It doesn't > work with Netscape or Mozilla - the URL ends in a .asp. I wrote them a nice > little e-mail asking what the problem is. If they don't make it work for me > I'm planning on raising a stink - anyone care to join in? This must have recently changed. I was able to get my tags in Oct with Netscape 4.76 with no problem. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu Thu Feb 1 14:42:57 2001 From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Short a hd! In-Reply-To: <3A7A4364.2080907@sihope.com> Message-ID: Does anyone have a 2 to 3 gig drive that they want to get rid of? I have a p75 that I am giving away and I'll I need is the hd. Colin Kilbane From jeffr at odeon.net Thu Feb 1 15:06:46 2001 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off - UN-Installfest In-Reply-To: <002901c08c72$77b75d80$991ea8c0@digitalriver.com> Message-ID: How about just launching the hard drives rather than the whole system? Jeff On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > > Quick is easy: fdisk > > > > I think it would have to be judged on style instead of speed. > > > > Maybe we could construct a large wooden catapult and see who can launch > their Windows machines the farthest. From kent at structural-wood.com Thu Feb 1 16:05:21 2001 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off - MN-DSP update References: Message-ID: <3A79DDA1.3A8A28CB@structural-wood.com> Well, here is the progress of the battle so far. I like the little prompt they give me about sort of computer I'm supposed to have (IBM based or Mac based). It kind of tells you who they are used to dealing with. I'd encourage everyone to get in the act. I really don't want to be left out in the cold for convenient access to government services. I've spent way too much time waiting in endless lines... Here's how to get involved: Start your browser Surf to www.dps.state.mn.us/autolicense. Press the credit card button. Restart your browser Surf to www.dps.state.mn.us/autolicense. Send an nice e-mail to the convenient e-mail address on the page. DVS Motor Vehicles wrote: > > Thank you for contacting Driver and Vehicle Services, > > We apologize for the inconvenience you experienced. While most transactions > are being completed successfully, a few customers have informed us that they > experienced problems when using their credit cards or with the routing > number for ACH transactions. Our technicians are looking into the matter. > In order to help us determine where the errors are occurring, we would > greatly appreciate any additional information that you can provide. This > includes the following: > > What type of computer is being used? (IBM based or Mac based) It fails both on Linux running on a Pentium and Solaris running on a Sparc > > What type of browser is being used? (Internet Explorer or Netscape) Netscape 4.61, Netscape 4.72, Netscape 4.75, and Mozilla M7 > > Where did the problem occur when using our Internet renewal web site? I surf to http://www.dps.state.mn.us/autolicense, this automatically forwards me to http://www.dps.state.mn.us/dvs/renewTest/Renewal/home.asp, I then press the [credit card] button, and my browser either does nothing (Mozilla), or blows out (Netscape). > > What problem did you encounter? I press the [credit card] button, and my browser either does nothing (Mozilla), or blows out (Netscape). > > Any additional comments or concerns that you have regarding this process? > > Although this information will not resolve your immediate situation, we will > use this to help eliminate these problems from occurring in the future, and > to further refine this process. You may still renew your registration > through the mail (please allow 20 days to process) or through your local > motor vehicle office . > > Thank you for taking this additional time to inform us of the problems that > you have encountered. > > Sincerely, > Operator #12 Kelly > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kent Schumacher [SMTP:kent@structural-wood.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 2:15 PM > To: DVS Motor Vehicles > Subject: Re: Driver and Vehicle services internet renewal > > When I go to the url you suggest > (http://www.dps.state.mn.us/autolicense), > it forwards my browser to > http://www.dps.state.mn.us/dvs/renewTest/Renewal/home.asp. > > If I then press the credit card button, my browser blows out. I > have now tried this > with Netscape 4.61, 4.72, 4.75, and Mozilla M7. All versions of > Netscape blow out > when I press the credit card button, Mozilla's barber pole spins for > a while and > then stops without anything happening. > > Thanks, > Kent > > DVS Motor Vehicles wrote: > > > > Thank you for contacting Driver and Vehicle Services, Try this > link to get > > to the renewal site. Operator #12 Kelly > > http://www.dps.state.mn.us/autolicense > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kent Schumacher [SMTP:kent@structural-wood.com] > > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 10:04 AM > > To: motor.vehicles@state.mn.us > > Subject: Driver and Vehicle services internet > renewal > > > > Hi, when I go to this url > > > > http://www.dps.state.mn.us/dvs/renewTest/Renewal/home.asp > > > > and press the credit card button, my browser blows up. > This > > is the only site I know that I have this problem with. > > > > I would really like to be able to renew my license on > line. > > > > Any suggestions? From esper at sherohman.org Thu Feb 1 17:20:27 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux/Unix Job Sceene In-Reply-To: ; from duncan@sodatrain.com on Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 02:00:24PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010201172027.A25117@sherohman.org> On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 02:00:24PM -0500, duncan wrote: > I am brand new to this list, and i am very sorry if this has ben covered, > i didnt see it anywhere. A better place to ask about this would probably be the TCLUG-Jobs mailing list. > Would you as a community be willing to help shed some light on the market > and the kinds of opportunities in Minneapolis and St paul > currently? Pointers to resources (beyond the monster.com, > hotjobs.com....) TCLUG-Jobs. After sending out a bunch of resumes to monster listings and not even getting responses to the vast majority of them, I sent a message to TCLUG-Jobs last Friday asking if anyone was hiring for Linux/Unix positions. I just got home from my fourth interview this week... -- SGI products are used to create the 'Bugs' that entertain us in theatres and at home. - SGI job posting Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From natecars at real-time.com Thu Feb 1 17:21:30 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off - UN-Installfest In-Reply-To: <002901c08c72$77b75d80$991ea8c0@digitalriver.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > > Maybe we could construct a large wooden catapult and see who can launch > their Windows machines the farthest. > But don't they make better Linux boxes running Seti than destroyed Windoze boxen? Unless, of course, they are windows-proprietary hardware, then that's perfectly acceptable. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From drew at usfamily.net Thu Feb 1 18:13:55 2001 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] was it OmniKey? References: Message-ID: <3A79FBC3.8D4C810@usfamily.net> I remember that there was a heated discussion about keyboards a while ago. Some one was saying that there are these great keyboards I think they were Omnikey that everyone was said because they were not made any more. Was that the keyboard everone was mentioning? ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ From dkleist at acm.org Thu Feb 1 19:21:26 2001 From: dkleist at acm.org (Dave Kleist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: network setup In-Reply-To: <3A7A4364.2080907@sihope.com>; from spencer@sihope.com on Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 23:19:32 -0600 References: <3A7A4364.2080907@sihope.com> Message-ID: <20010201192126.C7462@coder> To answer questions, 1) The devices are working, though the ME install of the driver left much to be desired. 2) It's two Win2K machines, 1 WinME, and a 486 Debian firewall. (The pentium fileserver comes later). 3) The router works (the firewall can ping to the outside world) 4) The two Win2K machines will talk to each other under particular circumstances 5) Don't about the cabling, it's new and that's half the problem (can't isolate causes) 6) The subnet might an option: I'll have to look into that. > If none of that works then.............kick it.......... Given the installfest theme and my patience, I'm thinking trebuchet. - Dave -- Dave Kleist dkleist@acm.org "The covers of this book are too far apart." - Ambrose Bierce From lanbarnes at earthlink.net Thu Feb 1 14:54:07 2001 From: lanbarnes at earthlink.net (Lan Barnes) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] This article burns ms References: Message-ID: <3A79CCEF.D3C358EA@earthlink.net> tim wrote: -snip of body- > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > What the president of the Motion Picture Association of America says about > taking away your constitutional rights: > > "I'm rather jubilant now. What Judge Kaplan did was blow away every one of > these brittle and fragile rebuttals. He threw out fair use; he threw out > reverse engineering; he threw out linking." > > - Jack Valenti, president of the Motion Picture Association of America. Snarfed for my sigs :-) -- Lan Barnes lanbarnes@earthlink.net Icon Consulting, Inc 858-273-6677 Key fingerprint = 57D6 C219 140A A81E 26C6 8138 0E62 7F4A 2659 7389 I shall hear in heaven. - Beethoven (attributed last words) From RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com Thu Feb 1 15:01:26 2001 From: RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off - UN-Installfest Message-ID: <8794B3B640FED2118D8600C00D0020A593F0AC@ipserver2.interplastic.com> Ok class. Today's word is FDISK. > -----Original Message----- > From: Jamie Ostrowski [SMTP:jamie@getsetnet.net] > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 8:40 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off - UN-Installfest > > Maybe at the next TCLUG meeting we can have an UNinstallfest. > We can have a contest to see how quickly participants can Uninstall Win > NT > or 2K from their boxes.:-) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kent Schumacher" > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 7:25 AM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off > > > > Bob Tanner wrote: > > > > > > Anyone else go to www.microsoft.com and NOT get the search text entry > widget in > > > the upper left corner when running netscape or mozilla? > > > > > > -- > > > > Has anyone tried to get new tags for your car at the mndot web site? It > doesn't > > work with Netscape or Mozilla - the URL ends in a .asp. I wrote them a > nice > > little e-mail asking what the problem is. If they don't make it work > for > me > > I'm planning on raising a stink - anyone care to join in? > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From drew at usfamily.net Thu Feb 1 21:59:55 2001 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] was it OmniKey? References: <3A79FBC3.8D4C810@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <00ad01c08ccc$9b69e7c0$01ff5486@gateway> holy crap why are my fonts so large? ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ From ben at nerp.net Thu Feb 1 20:54:13 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] was it OmniKey? In-Reply-To: <3A79FBC3.8D4C810@usfamily.net> Message-ID: yes.. the omni-key.. which is still being made.. by a company called avant Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > I remember that there was a heated discussion about keyboards a while ago. Some > one was saying that there are these great keyboards I think they were Omnikey > that everyone was said because they were not made any more. Was that the > keyboard everone was mentioning? > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Feb 1 16:23:21 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off - UN-Installfest References: Message-ID: <3A79E1D9.48DF05FC@tc.umn.edu> Philip C Mendelsohn wrote: > > Additional condition: The computer has to operate afterward. Sorry, the > catapult and rail guns are a different contest. But there are so many definitions of `operate' ;-) An appropriately talented hacker would be able to just use `debug' to write some bytes to the boot sector and get the system to erase itself and then come up with a rudimentary prompt (which probably wouldn't do anything..) If by `operate' you mean that the system has to be capable of real user interaction, you'd probably have to go the route of `format c: /s/q', though I don't know how well that works on today's multi-gigabyte drives.. If you want Linux, it'd take quite a few tricks that would depend heavily upon the tools that you have available to you. IMHO, the real challenge would be to see how long it takes you to install a working piece of linux (just a bash prompt is fine by me) from a stock Win2k system. No floppies and no CDs, though I'll let you have an Internet connection. But, that might be a little too hard... Might have to be nice and give you a blank floppy or two.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ If you think nobody cares / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ about you, try missing a \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) couple of payments. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From jsowers at osii.com Thu Feb 1 16:42:40 2001 From: jsowers at osii.com (Jason Sowers) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux/Unix Job Sceene In-Reply-To: Message-ID: my personal opinion (and I haven't lived down here that long) which may not hold water: stay in Boston. Pickin's are a little slim around here in the Linux World. ____________________________________ Jason Sowers Network Engineer Open Systems International 3600 Holly Lane North Suite 40 Minneapolis, MN 55447-1286 Phone: (763) 551-0559 Fax: (763) 551-1750 Email: jsowers@osii.com http: www.osii.com & www.e-scada.com -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of duncan Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 1:00 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Linux/Unix Job Sceene Hello- I am brand new to this list, and i am very sorry if this has ben covered, i didnt see it anywhere. I am writing to ask what the linux / unix / open source job sceene is like in the Minneapolis / St. Paul area. I am a native to MN, however I am living in Boston currently. I lived in MN thru my years at Saint Johns, and then moved to Boston for more internet type jobs. I currently hold a position as a linux systems administrator at a start-up that isint really a startup. (we are approx 60 people, recently closed a VC round of just closed a round of funding for about $20 million and are much more stable and 'normal' that your traditional startup. Anyways, I am moving back to MSP area at the end of june and will be needing a job. I dont really know anything about the market for linux/unix sys admin types. Or for any linux type jobs for that matter. Would you as a community be willing to help shed some light on the market and the kinds of opportunities in Minneapolis and St paul currently? Pointers to resources (beyond the monster.com, hotjobs.com....) I have thought that a university jobs may be cool, and i see that the company that does GFS is in minneaplois, as well as someone working with WINE. Any information would be appreciated, as well as any feedback on salary ranges and cost of living stuff. Thank you very much, i look forward to joining the LUG meetings when I move back! thanks again- -- || || || || || || duncan shannon .-. duncan@sodatrain.com /v\ // \\ /( )\ L I N U X ^^-^^ >Phear the Penguin< _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Thu Feb 1 16:44:55 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] autoconf experts? Message-ID: <20010201164455.J22215@real-time.com> I am trying to compile gnomemm-1.1.14 on RedHat 7.0 and I found a bug in autoconf. I make a hack to acgeneral.m4, ran autoconf, but it does not pick up my changes. Anyone have experience with autoconf and the knowledge on how to make changes to the m4 files so they actually get picked up by autoconf? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Thu Feb 1 13:11:57 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off In-Reply-To: <3A798866.AE60F714@structural-wood.com>; from kent@structural-wood.com on Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 10:01:42AM -0600 References: <3A798866.AE60F714@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <20010201131156.A22116@pchelka.space.umn.edu> On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 10:01:42AM -0600, Kent Schumacher wrote: > > The url is http://www.dps.state.mn.us/dvs/renewTest/Renewal/home.asp. > > If I press on the credit card button in netscape, netscape blows out. > This is on netscape 4.61 on Linux, netscape 4.75 on Linux, and > netscape 4.72 on solaris. The credit card button works for me with netscape 4.76 on Solaris and Linux. Some kind of configuration issue? Do have a firewall or proxy or something that might be getting in the way. -- Jim Crumley | crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | From tanner at real-time.com Thu Feb 1 13:24:28 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fisher directory layout changed Message-ID: <20010201132428.N22215@real-time.com> Looks like the fisher directory layout has changed. :-( I did not catch it soon enough and rsync merrily deleted a chunk of the SRPMS. RedHat apologized. I am burning bandwidth getting the delete SRPMS. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From esper at sherohman.org Thu Feb 1 17:44:43 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20010201101607.00c05710@mail.bitstream.net>; from bradyh@bitstream.net on Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 10:21:38AM -0600 References: <3A7963E4.6473E6DC@structural-wood.com> <4.2.0.58.20010201101607.00c05710@mail.bitstream.net> Message-ID: <20010201174443.C25117@sherohman.org> On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 10:21:38AM -0600, Brady Hegberg wrote: > I recently emailed the USBanks online people because they don't support > Mozilla. I'm guessing they detect the browser and if it's anything other > than Netscape or IE they give you a message saying your browser isn't > supported. I can understand why they'd want to be careful but now that > Mozilla has built-in SSL it seems like it would be just a matter of saying > - "Use with other browsers at your own risk..." SSL has nothing to do with it - you can tell apache that certain URIs are only accessible using SSL and I'm sure that IIS has a similar capability, so you can easily deny non-SSL connections without having to look at the user-agent. Pretty much every case I've seen where user-agent is checked, it's been because the web site's developer has wanted to include the freaky-neato-cool- effect-of-the-day, but it has to be done slightly differently under MSIE than Netscape, so he codes it for each of them and refuses to deal with you if he can't figure out how to make your browser play 1812 Overture and shake the text in time with the cannons. Or he's so used to doing that sort of thing that he automatically checks the user-agent and rejects "non-standard" browsers out of habit, even if he's serving up plain text and won't use the browser information for anything other than telling people to go away. -- SGI products are used to create the 'Bugs' that entertain us in theatres and at home. - SGI job posting Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From thudak at sistina.com Thu Feb 1 18:32:29 2001 From: thudak at sistina.com (Tom Hudak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux/Unix Job Sceene In-Reply-To: ; from duncan@sodatrain.com on Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 02:00:24PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010201183229.A26390@cesium.sistina.com> On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 02:00:24PM -0500, duncan wrote: >Hello- > >I am brand new to this list, and i am very sorry if this has ben covered, >i didnt see it anywhere. > >I am writing to ask what the linux / unix / open source job sceene is like >in the Minneapolis / St. Paul area. I am a native to MN, however I am >living in Boston currently. I lived in MN thru my years at Saint Johns, >and then moved to Boston for more internet type jobs. I currently hold a >position as a linux systems administrator at a start-up that isint really >a startup. (we are approx 60 people, recently closed a VC round of just >closed a round of funding for about $20 million and are much more stable >and 'normal' that your traditional startup. > >Anyways, I am moving back to MSP area at the end of june and will be >needing a job. I dont really know anything about the market for >linux/unix sys admin types. Or for any linux type jobs for that matter. > >Would you as a community be willing to help shed some light on the market >and the kinds of opportunities in Minneapolis and St paul >currently? Pointers to resources (beyond the monster.com, >hotjobs.com....) I have thought that a university jobs may be cool, and i >see that the company that does GFS is in minneaplois, as well as someone >working with WINE. We here at sistina are currently interviewing, and as soon as our HR dept gets on it's way, we will be actively hiring lots of people. Send over a resume, I'd love to pass it along as we are a linux-only development shop right now (except the winblows boxen the suits need to use.) Also, the tclug jobs list gets some activity that's interesting. (That's why I'm working here in fact, thanks to Idiot Ben ;-) I would suggest checking the local papers for other opportunities, but I would be more than willing to get your resume pushed through, we are in need of administrative people as we will be setting up a training center and a LOT more machines than the 2 of us can handle very shortly. > >Any information would be appreciated, as well as any feedback on salary >ranges and cost of living stuff. > >Thank you very much, i look forward to joining the LUG meetings when I >move back! > >thanks again- > > >-- >|| || || || || || >duncan shannon .-. >duncan@sodatrain.com /v\ > // \\ > /( )\ L I N U X > ^^-^^ >Phear the Penguin< > > > > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list Enjoy the rest of your time in Boston, MN really isn't all that fun compared to MA. Thanks, -- Thomas J. Hudak Systems Administrator Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com Phone: 612.379.3951 Page: 612.318.1967 Fax: 612.379.3952 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010201/98318d47/attachment.pgp From jack at jacku.com Thu Feb 1 19:21:18 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off In-Reply-To: <3A798866.AE60F714@structural-wood.com> References: <3A798866.AE60F714@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <01020119211800.01130@geezer> FWIW I went to the site with Konqueror (straight out of Kmail) and it came up and when I pressed the Credit Card button I got a screen that requested my License plate number and the last four digits of my VIN. I didn'''`ot go any further since I'''m not due for new tabs for a couple of months. Jack On Thursday 01 February 2001 10:01, you wrote: > Liz Burke-Scovill wrote: > > On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Kent Schumacher wrote: > > > Bob Tanner wrote: > > > > Anyone else go to www.microsoft.com and NOT get the search text entry > > > > widget in the upper left corner when running netscape or mozilla? > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Has anyone tried to get new tags for your car at the mndot web site? > > > It doesn't work with Netscape or Mozilla - the URL ends in a .asp. I > > > wrote them a nice little e-mail asking what the problem is. If they > > > don't make it work for me I'm planning on raising a stink - anyone care > > > to join in? > > > > what doesn't work about it - considering all an asp is is a server side > > script redirecting or filtering content, it shouldn't matter the browser > > as long as the server side is running IIS or something M$-ey...I can get > > there and run fine using Netscape...but I couldn't go through the entire > > process 'cuz my tabs aren't due to expire by March 2001. > > > > Liz > > Hi Liz, > > The url is http://www.dps.state.mn.us/dvs/renewTest/Renewal/home.asp. > > If I press on the credit card button in netscape, netscape blows out. > This is on netscape 4.61 on Linux, netscape 4.75 on Linux, and > netscape 4.72 on solaris. > > If I press on the credit card button in mozilla m7 on Linux, the > barber pole spins for a while and then stops - the display doesn't > change. > > I guess I pointed out the .asp extension since I associate it with IIS, > and I am SOOO used to having interopability problems with anything > M$-ey. > > So, does anyone have any bright ideas about how to apply pressure on > the state to get it to adopt web sites that work with browsers other > than exploder? > > Kent > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jamie at getsetnet.net Thu Feb 1 23:04:47 2001 From: jamie at getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off - UN-Installfest In-Reply-To: <8794B3B640FED2118D8600C00D0020A593F0AC@ipserver2.interplastic.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Ryan Ware wrote: > Ok class. Today's word is FDISK. We are judging on style of the un-install, not the speed. A 25 pound server flying across lake nokomis is much more theatric! :-) > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jamie Ostrowski [SMTP:jamie@getsetnet.net] > > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 8:40 AM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off - UN-Installfest > > > > Maybe at the next TCLUG meeting we can have an UNinstallfest. > > We can have a contest to see how quickly participants can Uninstall Win > > NT > > or 2K from their boxes.:-) > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kent Schumacher" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 7:25 AM > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off > > > > > > > Bob Tanner wrote: > > > > > > > > Anyone else go to www.microsoft.com and NOT get the search text entry > > widget in > > > > the upper left corner when running netscape or mozilla? > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Has anyone tried to get new tags for your car at the mndot web site? It > > doesn't > > > work with Netscape or Mozilla - the URL ends in a .asp. I wrote them a > > nice > > > little e-mail asking what the problem is. If they don't make it work > > for > > me > > > I'm planning on raising a stink - anyone care to join in? > > > _______________________________________________ > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- "It is a mistake to let any mechanical object realise that you are in a hurry." --Ralph From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Fri Feb 2 07:58:56 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off - UN-Installfest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Ryan Ware wrote: > > > Ok class. Today's word is FDISK. > > > We are judging on style of the un-install, not the speed. A 25 pound > server flying across lake nokomis is much more theatric! :-) OK -- I've got a better one, now. How about put it in a 10Tesla mag field -- like an NMR machine. Just bulk erase the whole damn machine. I bet we could do half a dozen at a time, and get a few points for style while the magnet melts down. (I can't remember why we don't want to put metal objects in exactly -- maybe someone can help me out.) Cheers, Phil M From kent at structural-wood.com Fri Feb 2 08:46:56 2001 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off References: Message-ID: <3A7AC860.965694EE@structural-wood.com> "Siems, Gregory" wrote: > > Hey, come on... > > It isn't the all encompassing state that's doing this, web sites are developed and administered by the various agencies & departments in the state... And not all agencies are using ASP. > > Netscape 4.61 on WinNT also blows up. Bad web page, bad, bad, bad... > > OK, I apologize for using too broad a brush. It's very hard from the outside to know how all the various agencies and departments in the state relate to each other. I'll try to be more discerning in the future. From thudak at sistina.com Fri Feb 2 09:27:39 2001 From: thudak at sistina.com (Tom Hudak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] was it OmniKey? In-Reply-To: <3A79FBC3.8D4C810@usfamily.net>; from drew@usfamily.net on Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 06:13:55PM -0600 References: <3A79FBC3.8D4C810@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <20010202092739.A11130@sistina.com> On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 06:13:55PM -0600, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: >I remember that there was a heated discussion about keyboards a while ago. Some >one was saying that there are these great keyboards I think they were Omnikey >that everyone was said because they were not made any more. Was that the >keyboard everone was mentioning? The OmniKey keyboards by northgate systems... talk about the most tweaked out keyboard! (I have an ultra) which has 3 (yes 3) different keyboard adapters on the back of the thing, not to mention a button that's an auto ctrl-alt-delete, and f1-12 + SF1-12, that's 24 function keys! Not to mention it's a clicker, my personal favorite. (I can't stand the damn soft touch kb's anymore.) I haven't a clue if they're actually manufactured anymore, but I've had mine for almost 12 years, and it's just awesome. Check northgate systems to see what they still manufacture, but I have yet to find a keyboard with such an array of options built in. Who woulda thought they'd make a keyboard 12 years ago, that a hacker (myself) would fall in love with so much in todays market. Anyways, if you find northgate before I do, I'd love to pick up a couple more, otherwise I'm gonna start searching for them again. > > > >------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list Thanks, -- Thomas J. Hudak Systems Administrator Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com Phone: 612.379.3951 Page: 612.318.1967 Fax: 612.379.3952 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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My wrists hurt now if I use anything other than one of those ergo keyboards. Maybe I could saw the omnikey down the middle and rotate each half outward by 10 degrees. :) Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Hudak [mailto:thudak@sistina.com] > Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 9:28 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] was it OmniKey? > > > On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 06:13:55PM -0600, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > >I remember that there was a heated discussion about > keyboards a while ago. Some > >one was saying that there are these great keyboards I think > they were Omnikey > >that everyone was said because they were not made any more. > Was that the > >keyboard everone was mentioning? > The OmniKey keyboards by northgate systems... talk about the > most tweaked out > keyboard! (I have an ultra) which has 3 (yes 3) different > keyboard adapters on > the back of the thing, not to mention a button that's an auto > ctrl-alt-delete, > and f1-12 + SF1-12, that's 24 function keys! Not to mention > it's a clicker, my > personal favorite. (I can't stand the damn soft touch kb's > anymore.) I haven't > a clue if they're actually manufactured anymore, but I've had > mine for almost > 12 years, and it's just awesome. Check northgate systems to > see what they > still manufacture, but I have yet to find a keyboard with > such an array of > options built in. Who woulda thought they'd make a keyboard > 12 years ago, that > a hacker (myself) would fall in love with so much in todays > market. Anyways, > if you find northgate before I do, I'd love to pick up a couple more, > otherwise I'm gonna start searching for them again. > > > > > > > >------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From > $8.99/mo! ------ > > > >_______________________________________________ > >tclug-list mailing list > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > Thanks, > > -- > Thomas J. Hudak > Systems Administrator > Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com > Phone: 612.379.3951 Page: 612.318.1967 > Fax: 612.379.3952 > From clay at fandre.com Fri Feb 2 10:44:10 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] was it OmniKey? References: <3A79FBC3.8D4C810@usfamily.net> <20010202092739.A11130@sistina.com> Message-ID: <3A7AE3DA.392BD3C9@fandre.com> Tom Hudak wrote: > > Not to mention it's a clicker, my personal favorite. (I can't stand the damn soft touch kb's anymore.) OK. I'm curious. What do you guys prefer for a keyboard? Click or soft-touch? http://www.mn-linux.org/polls/keyboard.php From drew at usfamily.net Fri Feb 2 13:00:36 2001 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] was it OmniKey? References: <3A79FBC3.8D4C810@usfamily.net> <20010202092739.A11130@sistina.com> Message-ID: <003001c08d4a$6d95bd00$4a995ea0@umn.edu> actually the reason I was asking is because I found 2 and I heard that they can be programmed so does anyone know where I can find some information on how I can do this?? ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Hudak To: Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 7:27 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] was it OmniKey? ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ From andyzb at ltiflex.com Fri Feb 2 11:05:04 2001 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LILO issues References: <200101311756.LAA09751@mail.swdata.com> Message-ID: <3A7AE8C0.4881109@ltiflex.com> fertch@mninter.net wrote: > > > Well, what hard drive is set as the boot device? You want LILO on this > > device, not the device where you installed Linux. (IE, if you installed > > Linux on hdb1, you want lilo to be installed on hda.) > > Where do I designate this when dealing with multiple drives? /etc/lilo.conf # Boot Device boot=/dev/hda # Root Device root=/dev/hda1 The boot device is the first hard drive (hard drive 0) Usually this is hda. You can change this in your computers BIOS. For mine I can set any of the four ide devices, or scsi as my first boot device. You also have to tell your SCSI card what device to boot from, Press Ctrl+A when your SCSI card bios displays. > I tried different partitions to help distribute the load: /var on /dev/sda2, > swap on /sda1, /home on /dev/hdb1, and so on. I wasn't sure if this was causing > the boot problems or not. Is there a problem with having a partition setup like > this? Nope. > Will have to check more on this later. I thought that the scsi drivers were > loading. Slackware asked me which kernel I wanted to use to boot. I told it to > use the boot disk (with scsi card modules on it: aic7xxx.s). Thought that might > have done it. I also said for it to load the scsi things on setup. When > looking at the fstab file, I noticed that my floppy, cd-rom, and scsi HDD > weren't listed in there. Probally a sign that something failed. If you're booting from the SCSI hd you WILL need to have the scsi drivers compiled into the kernel. If you're not booting from SCSI, you should be able to get away with modules. Personally I'd just compile it in. I've had some issues with the aic7xxx series, but eventually I got it working and things fly. If you need to check on your scsi drivers, go to /proc/scsi/. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Click or > soft-touch? > > http://www.mn-linux.org/polls/keyboard.php > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From ghettobretto at hotmail.com Fri Feb 2 11:59:01 2001 From: ghettobretto at hotmail.com (Brett Astleford) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cron and php Message-ID: can you run a php script in a cron table? I more or less want to rotate a log that a php script creates... TIA Brett Astleford Platinum Design Group From thudak at sistina.com Fri Feb 2 11:34:00 2001 From: thudak at sistina.com (Tom Hudak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] was it OmniKey? In-Reply-To: <3A79FBC3.8D4C810@usfamily.net>; from drew@usfamily.net on Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 06:13:55PM -0600 References: <3A79FBC3.8D4C810@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <20010202113400.B29161@cesium.sistina.com> On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 06:13:55PM -0600, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: >I remember that there was a heated discussion about keyboards a while ago. Some >one was saying that there are these great keyboards I think they were Omnikey >that everyone was said because they were not made any more. Was that the >keyboard everone was mentioning? I found the the site which sells some old omnikey's by northgate, as well as the new avant series (identical to the omnikeyUltra that I have.) as well as an omnikey in the "natural" configuration. All I have to say is I'm buying one today. (You can even get it with a touchpad should you want your keyboard for your lappy w/o needing another mouse.) http://www.lueckdatasystems.com/hardware/omnikey/evolution.html <-- check this beast out. C-ya > > > >------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Thomas J. Hudak Systems Administrator Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com Phone: 612.379.3951 Page: 612.318.1967 Fax: 612.379.3952 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010202/9418b7f8/attachment.pgp From thudak at sistina.com Fri Feb 2 11:44:50 2001 From: thudak at sistina.com (Tom Hudak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] was it OmniKey? In-Reply-To: <003001c08d4a$6d95bd00$4a995ea0@umn.edu>; from drew@usfamily.net on Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 11:00:36AM -0800 References: <3A79FBC3.8D4C810@usfamily.net> <20010202092739.A11130@sistina.com> <003001c08d4a$6d95bd00$4a995ea0@umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010202114450.C29161@cesium.sistina.com> On Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 11:00:36AM -0800, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: >actually the reason I was asking is because I found 2 and I heard that they >can be programmed so does anyone know where I can find some information on >how I can do this?? Yes they can be, if you have the manuals to tell you how, otherwise just modify the keymappings in NT or *nix as there is only a 3.x/9x compatible software program to make it easy. You can "program" any keyboard, but these can store they're settings, so you'd almost make a keymap, *upload* it, and set the keymap back to default, the kb will take care of the rest. (I believe that's how it works, I don't know how you'd go about uploading your settings though.) > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Tom Hudak >To: >Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 7:27 AM >Subject: Re: [TCLUG] was it OmniKey? > > > > > >------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Thomas J. Hudak Systems Administrator Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com Phone: 612.379.3951 Page: 612.318.1967 Fax: 612.379.3952 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I really don't want to suck down the whole thing again. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Fri Feb 2 13:01:40 2001 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cron and php In-Reply-To: ; from ghettobretto@hotmail.com on Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 11:59:01AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20010202130140.E80287@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Why write it in php? Just write a script in shell or perl and then run it from cron. Gabe On Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 11:59:01AM -0600, Brett Astleford wrote: > can you run a php script in a cron table? I more or less want to rotate a > log that a php script creates... > > TIA > > Brett Astleford > Platinum Design Group > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "No sir, I don't like it!" - Mr. Horse in "Fire Dogs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From clay at fandre.com Fri Feb 2 13:02:12 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cron and php References: Message-ID: <3A7B0434.34F82AA6@fandre.com> Brett Astleford wrote: > > can you run a php script in a cron table? I more or less want to rotate a > log that a php script creates... > I usually use lynx to access the php script via http and put it into cron. From thudak at sistina.com Fri Feb 2 13:52:27 2001 From: thudak at sistina.com (Tom Hudak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rsync is confusing me In-Reply-To: <20010202123242.U17934@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 12:32:42PM -0600 References: <20010202123242.U17934@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010202135227.E29161@cesium.sistina.com> On Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 12:32:42PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: >First, the background. Redhat made some whacky changes to thier directory >structure AFTER I had successfully mirrored the old structure. > >Second, I use rsync. What rsync options are you using? there should be some options for deleting old files, excluding certain patterns etc. > >So, I looked at where RH moved the directories and did the following: > ># cd /path/to/old ># tar -cf - . | (cd /path/to/new; tar -xf -) > >This is just a fancy "mv" command that is much faster. > >Anyways when I ran rsync, it thinks /path/to/new is "different" and proceeded >to leech everything from RH's main mirror. Bandwidth burn! What do you mean it thinks the /path/to/new is "different"? How is it different, this may have something to do with the rsync options used. > >So, > ># cd /path/to/ ># mv old /path/to/new >< crunch crunch > > >Rsync again. Same thing. > >Any ideas? I really don't want to suck down the whole thing again. > >-- >Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 >http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 >Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list Happy hacking, -- Thomas J. Hudak Systems Administrator Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com Phone: 612.379.3951 Page: 612.318.1967 Fax: 612.379.3952 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Chris _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From thudak at sistina.com Fri Feb 2 13:54:50 2001 From: thudak at sistina.com (Tom Hudak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cron and php In-Reply-To: ; from ghettobretto@hotmail.com on Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 11:59:01AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20010202135450.F29161@cesium.sistina.com> On Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 11:59:01AM -0600, Brett Astleford wrote: >can you run a php script in a cron table? I more or less want to rotate a >log that a php script creates... That's exactly what logrotate is for. Do a search on freshmeat, or apt-get if your using debian. > >TIA > >Brett Astleford >Platinum Design Group >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Thomas J. Hudak Systems Administrator Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com Phone: 612.379.3951 Page: 612.318.1967 Fax: 612.379.3952 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010202/a3513cd0/attachment.pgp From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Fri Feb 2 13:23:17 2001 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] was it OmniKey? In-Reply-To: <20010202114450.C29161@cesium.sistina.com>; from thudak@sistina.com on Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 11:44:50AM -0600 References: <3A79FBC3.8D4C810@usfamily.net> <20010202092739.A11130@sistina.com> <003001c08d4a$6d95bd00$4a995ea0@umn.edu> <20010202114450.C29161@cesium.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010202132317.G80287@sorry.cs.umn.edu> > Yes they can be, if you have the manuals to tell you how, otherwise just > modify the keymappings in NT or *nix as there is only a 3.x/9x compatible > software program to make it easy. You can "program" any keyboard, but these > can store they're settings, so you'd almost make a keymap, *upload* it, and > set the keymap back to default, the kb will take care of the rest. (I believe > that's how it works, I don't know how you'd go about uploading your settings > though.) Actually, weren't the original Omnikeys programmable via a little set of 6 or so dip-switches that were concealed under the Omnikey logo? I work with a guy who's Omnikey is like that. It's got to be at least 10 years old. Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "No sir, I don't like it!" - Mr. Horse in "Fire Dogs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From andy at theasis.com Fri Feb 2 14:25:15 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rsync is confusing me In-Reply-To: <20010202123242.U17934@real-time.com> Message-ID: > First, the background. Redhat made some whacky changes to thier directory > structure AFTER I had successfully mirrored the old structure. > > Second, I use rsync. It's not clear how you're using rsync in here. I gather you're trying to do 2 operations: - rearrange your local dir stuff to match redhat's - rsync remaining stuff from RH to your rearranged localdir right? What's the rsync command that apparently puts stuff in the wrong spot? Andy BTW, You can also use rsync to do your "fancy move". > So, I looked at where RH moved the directories and did the following: > > # cd /path/to/old > # tar -cf - . | (cd /path/to/new; tar -xf -) > > This is just a fancy "mv" command that is much faster. > > Anyways when I ran rsync, it thinks /path/to/new is "different" and proceeded > to leech everything from RH's main mirror. Bandwidth burn! > > So, > > # cd /path/to/ > # mv old /path/to/new > < crunch crunch > > > Rsync again. Same thing. > > Any ideas? I really don't want to suck down the whole thing again. > > From drew at usfamily.net Fri Feb 2 15:07:23 2001 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] was it OmniKey? References: <3A79FBC3.8D4C810@usfamily.net> <20010202092739.A11130@sistina.com> <3A7AE3DA.392BD3C9@fandre.com> Message-ID: <3A7B218B.C79DAA1C@usfamily.net> I have this NMB keboard that is a soft touch but its also a soft click. It makes the clicking noise and has the clicking feel when you hit the keys however at the same time its a soft touch. I would say that this is the best keyboard I've had so far. Clay Fandre wrote: > Tom Hudak wrote: > > > > Not to mention it's a clicker, my personal favorite. (I can't stand the damn soft touch kb's anymore.) > > OK. I'm curious. What do you guys prefer for a keyboard? Click or > soft-touch? > > http://www.mn-linux.org/polls/keyboard.php > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ From thudak at sistina.com Fri Feb 2 15:02:55 2001 From: thudak at sistina.com (Tom Hudak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] was it OmniKey? In-Reply-To: <20010202132317.G80287@sorry.cs.umn.edu>; from dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu on Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 01:23:17PM -0600 References: <3A79FBC3.8D4C810@usfamily.net> <20010202092739.A11130@sistina.com> <003001c08d4a$6d95bd00$4a995ea0@umn.edu> <20010202114450.C29161@cesium.sistina.com> <20010202132317.G80287@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010202150255.A517@cesium.sistina.com> On Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 01:23:17PM -0600, dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: >> Yes they can be, if you have the manuals to tell you how, otherwise just >> modify the keymappings in NT or *nix as there is only a 3.x/9x compatible >> software program to make it easy. You can "program" any keyboard, but these >> can store they're settings, so you'd almost make a keymap, *upload* it, and >> set the keymap back to default, the kb will take care of the rest. (I believe >> that's how it works, I don't know how you'd go about uploading your settings >> though.) > >Actually, weren't the original Omnikeys programmable via a little set of 6 >or so dip-switches that were concealed under the Omnikey logo? I work with >a guy who's Omnikey is like that. It's got to be at least 10 years old. Yes, the ultra's dip switches are on the back next to the ctrl-alt-delete button. > >Gabe > >-- >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Gabe Turner | X-President, >UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery >U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta >Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > >"No sir, I don't like it!" - Mr. Horse in "Fire Dogs" >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Thomas J. Hudak Systems Administrator Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com Phone: 612.379.3951 Page: 612.318.1967 Fax: 612.379.3952 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Tom Hudak wrote: > On Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 11:00:36AM -0800, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > >actually the reason I was asking is because I found 2 and I heard that they > >can be programmed so does anyone know where I can find some information on > >how I can do this?? > Yes they can be, if you have the manuals to tell you how, otherwise just > modify the keymappings in NT or *nix as there is only a 3.x/9x compatible > software program to make it easy. You can "program" any keyboard, but these > can store they're settings, so you'd almost make a keymap, *upload* it, and > set the keymap back to default, the kb will take care of the rest. (I believe > that's how it works, I don't know how you'd go about uploading your settings > though.) > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Tom Hudak > >To: > >Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 7:27 AM > >Subject: Re: [TCLUG] was it OmniKey? > > > > > > > > > > > >------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ > > > >_______________________________________________ > >tclug-list mailing list > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- > Thomas J. Hudak > Systems Administrator > Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com > Phone: 612.379.3951 Page: 612.318.1967 > Fax: 612.379.3952 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ From natecars at real-time.com Fri Feb 2 15:11:04 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Equipment for sale In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, Chris Opp wrote: > Hello, I have some Sparc 5, Sparc 20, and a Ultra 170E. Oh yeah and an Ultra > 30... If anyone is interested shoot me an email cop7586@hotmail.com or call > me at 651 687 9435 ext 22. Plus I have lots of SCSI disks and extra Sun > memory lying around. Can you give me specs on each of the boxen? What size disks do you have available? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From tobytoo at black-hole.com Fri Feb 2 17:30:12 2001 From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (b. toberman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Click or ST:was OmniKey? References: <3A79FBC3.8D4C810@usfamily.net> <20010202092739.A11130@sistina.com> <3A7AE3DA.392BD3C9@fandre.com> Message-ID: <3A7B4304.BD425093@black-hole.com> I much prefer a clicker, I learned to type, not " keyboard" and I learned on an ols IBM SelectricII, and at home used a Montgomery Wards manual. I'm always getting looks of disgust at work because of the way I hammer on the keyboard, unless it makes a sound I don't trust it to have been struck. Clay Fandre wrote: > Tom Hudak wrote: > > > > Not to mention it's a clicker, my personal favorite. (I can't stand the damn soft touch kb's anymore.) > > OK. I'm curious. What do you guys prefer for a keyboard? Click or > soft-touch? > > http://www.mn-linux.org/polls/keyboard.php > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From drew at usfamily.net Fri Feb 2 17:56:57 2001 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Click or ST:was OmniKey? References: <3A79FBC3.8D4C810@usfamily.net> <20010202092739.A11130@sistina.com> <3A7AE3DA.392BD3C9@fandre.com> <3A7B4304.BD425093@black-hole.com> Message-ID: <3A7B4949.587DFC91@usfamily.net> So does anyone know how to use these dip switches or what the big orange button does?? "b. toberman" wrote: > I much prefer a clicker, I learned to type, not " keyboard" and I learned on an ols IBM SelectricII, and at > home used a Montgomery Wards manual. I'm always getting looks of disgust at work because of the way I hammer > on the keyboard, unless it makes a sound I don't trust it to have been struck. > > Clay Fandre wrote: > > > Tom Hudak wrote: > > > > > > Not to mention it's a clicker, my personal favorite. (I can't stand the damn soft touch kb's anymore.) > > > > OK. I'm curious. What do you guys prefer for a keyboard? Click or > > soft-touch? > > > > http://www.mn-linux.org/polls/keyboard.php > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ From thudak at sistina.com Fri Feb 2 18:03:52 2001 From: thudak at sistina.com (Tom Hudak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Click or ST:was OmniKey? In-Reply-To: <3A7B4949.587DFC91@usfamily.net>; from drew@usfamily.net on Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 05:56:57PM -0600 References: <3A79FBC3.8D4C810@usfamily.net> <20010202092739.A11130@sistina.com> <3A7AE3DA.392BD3C9@fandre.com> <3A7B4304.BD425093@black-hole.com> <3A7B4949.587DFC91@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <20010202180352.A1363@cesium.sistina.com> On Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 05:56:57PM -0600, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: >So does anyone know how to use these dip switches or what the big orange button does?? No to the dip switches although I did see a site a while back that had the descriptions of each one. The big orange button I'm presuming is similar to my little black button, which acts as a ctrl-alt-del hot key. (I don't know if that's programmeable or not.) > > > >"b. toberman" wrote: > >> I much prefer a clicker, I learned to type, not " keyboard" and I learned on an ols IBM SelectricII, and at >> home used a Montgomery Wards manual. I'm always getting looks of disgust at work because of the way I hammer >> on the keyboard, unless it makes a sound I don't trust it to have been struck. >> >> Clay Fandre wrote: >> >> > Tom Hudak wrote: >> > > >> > > Not to mention it's a clicker, my personal favorite. (I can't stand the damn soft touch kb's anymore.) >> > >> > OK. I'm curious. What do you guys prefer for a keyboard? Click or >> > soft-touch? >> > >> > http://www.mn-linux.org/polls/keyboard.php >> > _______________________________________________ >> > tclug-list mailing list >> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> tclug-list mailing list >> tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > >------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Thomas J. Hudak Systems Administrator Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com Phone: 612.379.3951 Page: 612.318.1967 Fax: 612.379.3952 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010202/4bbfb336/attachment.pgp From jethro at freakzilla.com Sat Feb 3 02:00:23 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ? Message-ID: Hi, Ok, I've seen NOTHING from the list in days. At all. My network was down for a while so I may have been kicked off, but I did resubscribe a while ago, got a confirmation and still nothing! Argh. So I'll check if this shows up on the archive. Ack! I missed an OmniKey thread!!! -Yaron -- From tanner at real-time.com Sat Feb 3 02:25:11 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ? In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Sat, Feb 03, 2001 at 02:00:23AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20010203022511.B23692@real-time.com> Quoting Yaron (jethro@freakzilla.com): > Hi, > > Ok, I've seen NOTHING from the list in days. At all. My network was down > for a while so I may have been kicked off, but I did resubscribe a while > ago, got a confirmation and still nothing! Argh. So I'll check if this > shows up on the archive. > > Ack! I missed an OmniKey thread!!! You got kicked because of bounced emails. dig freakzilla.com mx ; <<>> DiG 8.2 <<>> freakzilla.com mx ;; res options: init recurs defnam dnsrch ;; got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 4 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUERY SECTION: ;; freakzilla.com, type = MX, class = IN ;; ANSWER SECTION: freakzilla.com. 47m38s IN MX 0 yaron.org. Get another backup MX host (or 2 or 3 or 5) and it won't happen. Real Time offers free MX for it's clients. Just send email to support saying what domains you want backup MX for and the IP address/FQDN of the primary MX. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jethro at freakzilla.com Sat Feb 3 02:46:54 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ? In-Reply-To: <20010203022511.B23692@real-time.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Sat, 3 Feb 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > You got kicked because of bounced emails. I know, but I wasn't getting anything after resubbing... obviously I resubscribed during Quiet Time (; > Get another backup MX host (or 2 or 3 or 5) and it won't happen. > Real Time offers free MX for it's clients. Just send email to support saying > what domains you want backup MX for and the IP address/FQDN of the primary MX. That'd be great - now if only I could get InterNIC to modify my domain information so I have a secondary DNS that actually WORKS. They insist that I'm using MAIL-FROM (even though I _know_ I've switched to CRYPT-PW!). Then they insist I need to email them from internic@yaron.org, which I _am_... I hope they'll sort themselves out by Monday. -Yaron -- From clay at fandre.com Sat Feb 3 07:56:02 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Mid-month meeting anyone??? Message-ID: <3A7C0DF2.9F0C7830@fandre.com> We are trying to decide if there is enough interest in a mid-month TCLUG meeting. We would hold it during a weeknight sometime during the 3rd week of the month. Please take a second to vote using the TCLUG webpoll below: http://www.mn-linux.org/polls/midmonthmeeting.php Thanks. Clay _______________________________________________ tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu Sat Feb 3 09:23:20 2001 From: lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu (Ben Luey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] xfree 4.0 and riva128 (nv) and bpp16 Message-ID: I just got Xfree86-4.0.1 (mandrake 7.2) working on my machine. I've got a Diamon Viper 330 which uses the Riva128 chipset. When I start X I get: (EE) NV(0): The Riva 128 chipset does not support depth 16. Using depth 15 instead (**) NV(0): Depth 15, (--) framebuffer bpp 16 And I use bpp15 which messes up gnomes gradient, word perfect and some other stuff. The NV drivers say that it doesn't suport bpp16 with riva128 -- is there a way around this, or a new driver? Thanks, Ben From lxy at cloudnet.com Sat Feb 3 11:49:58 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Anyone here use uCLinux? Message-ID: I've got a Cisco Router 2501 as a hobby router and the IOS is version 11.1. I'm running into quite a few problem, namely setting up DHCP, NAT, and dial on demand. I'm considering installing UCLinux on it instead. Has anyone here attempted this? I'm really interested to find out if anyone has done it or not. Basically what I want to do is set it up kinda like a LRP router but I don't the think the IOS is going to have the features I want. Anyone have any thoughts? Upgrading the IOS is so expensive I'd rather not do it. -Brian From sraun at fireopal.org Sat Feb 3 13:40:36 2001 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A Mail Problem Message-ID: <20010203134036.A406@iaxs.net> I'm running Debian, exim, and mutt. I want to forward mail to another address, sraun@domain.net. Every time I try, the mail gets sent to sraun@fireopal.org - my local address, not my remote address. Anyone have any suggestions? I have this feeling I'm missing something really obvious, but I haven't the faintest idea where to _start_ on this one. -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From andyzib at ringworld.org Sat Feb 3 16:34:06 2001 From: andyzib at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A Mail Problem References: <20010203134036.A406@iaxs.net> Message-ID: <3A7C875E.364373D7@ringworld.org> Well, you could setup a .forward. On the machine reciving mail: \username, "|/usr/lib/sendmail username@host.com" Or you could setup a procmail rule. :0c: #Carbon Copy to bzcat and append to mail Archive | /usr/lib/sendmail username@host.com -- | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | | This message is protected by double ROT13 | | encryption. Any attempt to circumvent the | | digital protection is banned by the DMCA. | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: andyzib.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 2268 bytes Desc: Card for Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010203/90d36c77/andyzib.vcf From houle at citilink.com Sat Feb 3 16:55:29 2001 From: houle at citilink.com (Terry Houle) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HSP Presentation at Twin Cities PC Users Group Message-ID: The Twin Cities PC Users Group will host Ubiquio at their February General Meeting. The meeting is free and open to the public. When: Tuesday February 13, 2001 Where: Bloomington Eagles 3208 9152 Old Shakopee Road (Old Cedar Ave & Old Shakopee Rd) Bloomington, MN Time: 7:00- ~9:00 PM Cost: Free More info: TCPC 24/7 line 952-883-0471 http:www.tcpc.com Description: Ubiquio manages fleets of handheld computing devices for business customers. As a leading handheld service provider (HSP), the company provides a suite of managed services that enable business customers to take control of the costs and support of these tools. ?Ubiquio services are available for non-wireless and wireless devices. ?They support both the Palm and Pocket PC operating systems. ?Ubiquio can assist organizations with device deployment from device provisioning to life cycle support. At the next Twin Cities PC User Group Meeting Ubiquio will cover the following: Considerations for a handheld deployment Comparison of devices and operating systems Demonstration of middleware capabilities Ubiquio 3030 Harbor Lane North Plymouth, MN ?55447 763-268-3222 Terry Houle President Twin Cities PC Users Group Phone 952-835-9994 Email: terry@tcpc.com http://www.tcpc.com From sraun at fireopal.org Sat Feb 3 18:38:40 2001 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A Mail Problem In-Reply-To: <3A7C875E.364373D7@ringworld.org>; from andyzib@ringworld.org on Sat, Feb 03, 2001 at 04:34:06PM -0600 References: <20010203134036.A406@iaxs.net> <3A7C875E.364373D7@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010203183840.B1087@iaxs.net> On Sat, Feb 03, 2001 at 04:34:06PM -0600, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > Well, you could setup a .forward. > > On the machine reciving mail: > \username, "|/usr/lib/sendmail username@host.com" > > Or you could setup a procmail rule. > > :0c: > #Carbon Copy to bzcat and append to mail Archive > | /usr/lib/sendmail username@host.com I'm not certain how this solves my problem? If mail that I create with the address of "user@host.com" gets delivered to "user@here.com", won't those solutions both tend to create an infinite loop? A friend found my problem - I had a mis-statement in exim.conf. -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From tanner at real-time.com Sat Feb 3 19:20:28 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SMTP AUTH Presentation online Message-ID: <20010203192028.B32440@real-time.com> The SMTP AUTH is online: http://www.mn-linux.org/members/tanner/ First, I'd like to reminder everyone, that if you do a presentation, you can get a free members area on the TCLUG web site. Second, this was done using Star Office 5.2, I wanted to see what it looked like in 5.1 and the fronts are screwed up, so best viewed with 5.2 Third, The PDF is made with ps2pdf and it horks some page layouts :-(, I'll use Acrobat distiller on Monday to get it right. Fourth, the HTML link is a tar.gz file of the whole thing in HTML Fifth, Star Office has a niffy presentation to html thingie, so you can view the presentation online if you want. Thanks. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From Webmaster at briggsville.com Sat Feb 3 21:14:01 2001 From: Webmaster at briggsville.com (Doug Hamlin) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My Linux newsletter Message-ID: <002501c08e59$2f6a40e0$fd00a8c0@lakes.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi everybody (said doctor nick), I'm starting up an email newsletter about Linux. This newsletter will be targeted mainly towards newbies. It's called "The Null Device," catchy, eh? Anyway, it will consist of a report at the top of every issue where I will give my view on current Linux/Open source/Internet news. This will be followed by software reviews in each issue. I hope to send out the first letter within the next two weeks. So, if you'd like to subscribe just send email to: thenulldevice-subscribe@topica.com or by visiting: http://www.topica.com/lists/thenulldevice Thanks, and I look forward to writing for you ;-) luvyameanitmmmbuhbye doug - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.226 / Virus Database: 108 - Release Date: 1/5/01 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOnzI9oxCF6UYYlbaEQKneACg8lMiV72bF6T8yqW7qHUrwXG3OjwAoJPv zP4LTDnvvOFca0v2j4DLEHt9 =y/LL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cschumann at twp-llc.com Sat Feb 3 22:50:43 2001 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: WTB >=2.1GB IDE disk Message-ID: I was given an old P166, and tried to give it to my sister, but apparently the hard drive was too cold from sitting in the car all night... and I started it up, and it began to boot, and then the hard disk failed. So... I need a smallish IDE drive, at least 2.1GB capacity, standard 3.5" size. I'm willing to pick up in the metro area and will pay cash. Please send me your offers. Thanks, Chris Schumann From austad at marketwatch.com Sat Feb 3 23:13:44 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Anyone here use uCLinux? Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1093E6@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Before wiping the IOS on it, do a: show me the money One of the 11. releases gave a funny response when you type that in. :) Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian [mailto:lxy@cloudnet.com] > Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 11:50 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Anyone here use uCLinux? > > > I've got a Cisco Router 2501 as a hobby router and the IOS is version > 11.1. I'm running into quite a few problem, namely setting > up DHCP, NAT, > and dial on demand. I'm considering installing UCLinux on it instead. > Has anyone here attempted this? I'm really interested to find out if > anyone has done it or not. Basically what I want to do is > set it up kinda > like a LRP router but I don't the think the IOS is going to have the > features I want. Anyone have any thoughts? Upgrading the IOS is so > expensive I'd rather not do it. > > -Brian > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Sat Feb 3 23:48:01 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: WTB >=2.1GB IDE disk Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1093E9@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Since he's looking for one, I figured this would be a good time to ask also. If anyone has a 3.2GB Quantum Fireball with a good circuit board on it, please consider selling it to me. I have one with a fried circuit board, and I have some data on it that I really really need. Thanks. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Schumann [mailto:cschumann@twp-llc.com] > Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 10:51 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] OT: WTB >=2.1GB IDE disk > > > I was given an old P166, and tried to give it to my sister, but > apparently the hard drive was too cold from sitting in the car > all night... and I started it up, and it began to boot, and then > the hard disk failed. So... > > I need a smallish IDE drive, at least 2.1GB capacity, > standard 3.5" size. > > I'm willing to pick up in the metro area and will pay cash. > > Please send me your offers. > > Thanks, > Chris Schumann > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jamie at getsetnet.net Sun Feb 4 12:05:14 2001 From: jamie at getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Going POSTAL (Mailman prob) Message-ID: <00ba01c08ed5$182ffbf0$991ea8c0@digitalriver.com> I am having problems installing Mailman. I downloaded it and followed the directions for compiling it, but when I run bin/check_perms from the install directory, I get the following results: [root@floyd mailman-1.1]# bin/check_perms -f Traceback (innermost last): File "bin/check_perms", line 19, in ? import paths I went through google looking for this error, but cannot find anyone who has posted an answer to this, and I am at a dead end. Specifics: python 1.5.2-13 Red Hat 6.2 apache 1.3.12-2 sendmail 8.9.3-20 Any ideas? Thx, - Jamie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010204/7482cd84/attachment.html From clay at fandre.com Sun Feb 4 11:43:34 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Post Meeting Announcements Message-ID: <3A7D94C6.A74D8D@fandre.com> The TCLUG meeting went really well yesterday. We packed the room with over 35 members that made it to listen to Bob's presentation about Sendmail/SMTP Authentication. (Thanks Bob!!!) If you missed it, the presentation can be found online at: http://www.mn-linux.org/members/tanner/ Since Bob talk took up most of the meeting we didn't discuss anything else except for a short Q-n-A session at the end. Next month we will be holding an installfest at Benchmark. Check the events calendar for other events that might be happening around the area. http://www.mn-linux.org/events/ Clay _______________________________________________ tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From blutgens at sistina.com Sun Feb 4 13:12:57 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Going POSTAL (Mailman prob) In-Reply-To: <00ba01c08ed5$182ffbf0$991ea8c0@digitalriver.com>; from jamie@getsetnet.net on Sun, Feb 04, 2001 at 12:05:14PM -0600 References: <00ba01c08ed5$182ffbf0$991ea8c0@digitalriver.com> Message-ID: <20010204131257.B35299@minime.sistina.com> On Sun, Feb 04, 2001 at 12:05:14PM -0600, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: perhaps mailman knows you're using html in you mails and is rebelling against you in a preemptive strike. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010204/c06fdc69/attachment.pgp From jamie at getsetnet.net Sun Feb 4 15:36:34 2001 From: jamie at getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WooHoo! No HTML TAGS! [was mailman] Message-ID: Here is the same question without HTML tags: I am trying to install mailman on my server. I downloaded it and followed the directions for compiling it, but when I run bin/check_perms from the install directory, I get the following results: [root@floyd mailman-1.1]# bin/check_perms -f Traceback (innermost last): File "bin/check_perms", line 19, in ? import paths I went through google looking for this error, but cannot find anyone who has posted an answer to this, and I am at a dead end. Specifics: python 1.5.2-13 Red Hat 6.2 apache 1.3.12-2 sendmail 8.9.3-20 Any ideas? Thx, - Jamie -- "It is a mistake to let any mechanical object realise that you are in a hurry." --Ralph From blutgens at sistina.com Sun Feb 4 17:25:37 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WooHoo! No HTML TAGS! [was mailman] In-Reply-To: ; from jamie@getsetnet.net on Sun, Feb 04, 2001 at 03:36:34PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20010204172537.A36414@minime.sistina.com> On Sun, Feb 04, 2001 at 03:36:34PM -0600, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > > > Here is the same question without HTML tags: > > > I am trying to install mailman on my server. > I downloaded it and followed the directions for compiling it, but >when I run bin/check_perms from the install directory, I get the following >results: > > >[root@floyd mailman-1.1]# bin/check_perms -f >Traceback (innermost last): > File "bin/check_perms", line 19, in ? > import paths Not being python inclined, I'd say that something may not be installed right. Make sure you installed all the python requirements. Can you run newlist? if so can you make a newlist and get it to route mail? > >I went through google looking for this error, but cannot find anyone >who has posted an answer to this, and I am at a dead end. > > Specifics: > python 1.5.2-13 > Red Hat 6.2 > apache 1.3.12-2 > sendmail 8.9.3-20 > > > Any ideas? Thx, > > - Jamie > > >-- > "It is a mistake to let any mechanical object realise that you are in a >hurry." --Ralph > > > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010204/efbb765a/attachment.pgp From djx at mediaone.net Sun Feb 4 19:19:33 2001 From: djx at mediaone.net (d.j. callais) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] D-Link Cards Message-ID: <3A7DFFA5.12DE795A@mediaone.net> Does anyone have any experience installing the D-Link DFE 530TX+ network card? I am running RH 7.0 and trying to use the recommended driver rtl8139 and having no luck at all. Thanks D.J. From ben at nerp.net Sun Feb 4 19:31:50 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] D-Link Cards In-Reply-To: <3A7DFFA5.12DE795A@mediaone.net> Message-ID: odd, try ne2k-pci or tulip.. post the output of dmesg Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Sun, 4 Feb 2001, d.j. callais wrote: > Does anyone have any experience installing the D-Link DFE 530TX+ network > card? I am running RH 7.0 and trying to use the recommended driver > rtl8139 and having no luck at all. > > Thanks > D.J. > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From andyzib at ringworld.org Sun Feb 4 19:55:08 2001 From: andyzib at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] D-Link Cards References: <3A7DFFA5.12DE795A@mediaone.net> Message-ID: <3A7E07FC.93DFDCD3@ringworld.org> NIC's and Video cards tend to be picky about not sharing IRQs. That could be one thing to check. ( lspci ) How are you installing the module? modprobe? insmod? linuxconf? (bad icky nasty, but that's just MHO, I like my config files thank you.) Check the documentation for the card in /usr/src/linux/Documentation (if you compiled your own kernel) You may have to give the module an argument or two. -- | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | | This message is protected by double ROT13 | | encryption. Any attempt to circumvent the | | digital protection is banned by the DMCA. | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: andyzib.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 2268 bytes Desc: Card for Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010204/fc6316ef/andyzib.vcf From dkleist at acm.org Sun Feb 4 20:20:17 2001 From: dkleist at acm.org (Dave Kleist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] D-Link Cards In-Reply-To: <3A7DFFA5.12DE795A@mediaone.net>; from djx@mediaone.net on Sun, Feb 04, 2001 at 19:19:33 -0600 References: <3A7DFFA5.12DE795A@mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20010204202017.I9578@coder> I installed one on a SuSE 6.3 box. I seem to recall that I had to go out and find the new driver from the website (don't have the URL offhand, the cesdis nasa gov site thingie). It didn't much like me either. I don't remember exactly what I did to get it to work, but at a minimum, I recompiled from source. - Dave On 2001.02.04 19:19:33 -0600 d.j. callais wrote: > Does anyone have any experience installing the D-Link DFE 530TX+ > network > card? I am running RH 7.0 and trying to use the recommended driver > rtl8139 and having no luck at all. > -- Dave Kleist dkleist@acm.org "The covers of this book are too far apart." - Ambrose Bierce From teuobk at ringworld.org Sun Feb 4 20:19:58 2001 From: teuobk at ringworld.org (Jeff Keacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] D-Link Cards References: <3A7DFFA5.12DE795A@mediaone.net> <3A7E07FC.93DFDCD3@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <011801c08f1a$23795610$a9cd7089@emerald> I *think* that the 530TX+ uses the VIA Rhine chipset. (I know the 530TX does, but I'm not certain about the "+") Try using the via-rhine module with modprobe. Cheers, Jeff ----- Original Message ----- > NIC's and Video cards tend to be picky about not sharing IRQs. That could be > one thing to check. ( lspci ) > > How are you installing the module? modprobe? insmod? linuxconf? (bad icky > nasty, but that's just MHO, I like my config files thank you.) Check the > documentation for the card in /usr/src/linux/Documentation (if you compiled > your own kernel) You may have to give the module an argument or two. > > > -- > | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | > | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | > | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | > | This message is protected by double ROT13 | > | encryption. Any attempt to circumvent the | > | digital protection is banned by the DMCA. | From djx at mediaone.net Sun Feb 4 21:17:54 2001 From: djx at mediaone.net (d.j. callais) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] D-Link More info Message-ID: <3A7E1B62.A2B3743F@mediaone.net> The bios sees this card at io-0x6500 and irq-5. Dmesg IP-Config: No network devices available. This is no matter what driver I use. lspic reads 00:0a:00. Nothing else is is at this address. Is there any way to force the IRQ on a nic? I have a dual Intel card that gets detected just fine but is in conflict with either the video card or USB depending on which slot I put it in. Thanks From jpschewe at mtu.net Mon Feb 5 07:44:43 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] D-Link More info In-Reply-To: "d.j. callais"'s message of "Sun, 04 Feb 2001 21:17:54 -0600" References: <3A7E1B62.A2B3743F@mediaone.net> Message-ID: "d.j. callais" writes: > The bios sees this card at io-0x6500 and irq-5. Dmesg IP-Config: No > network devices available. This is no matter what driver I use. lspic > reads 00:0a:00. Nothing else is is at this address. Is there any way to > force the IRQ on a nic? I have a dual Intel card that gets detected just > fine but is in conflict with either the video card or USB depending on > which slot I put it in. Do you have a PnP BIOS? Try telling it you have a Non-PnP aware OS, then the BIOS should assign IRQs correctly. I've had real good luck with this, although I haven't tried a D-Link card. -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From seg at haxxed.com Mon Feb 5 10:35:14 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hmmm? Message-ID: <3A7ED642.2050507@haxxed.com> Haven't seen anything from this list in a few days. Is it really this dead or did I mess up my mail config again? ;P From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Feb 5 10:51:39 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] our debian mirror Message-ID: <20010205105139.A722@minime.sistina.com> Sheesh bob, 50 users max? What's up with that? Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/Packages USER failed, server said: Sorry, maximum number of allowed clients (50) already connected. Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/Release USER failed, server said: Sorry, maximum number of allowed clients (50) already connected. Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/debian/dists/unstable/contrib/binary-i386/Packages USER failed, server said: Sorry, maximum number of allowed clients (50) already connected. Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/debian/dists/unstable/contrib/binary-i386/Release USER failed, server said: Sorry, maximum number of allowed clients (50) already connected. Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/debian/dists/unstable/non-free/binary-i386/Packages USER failed, server said: Sorry, maximum number of allowed clients (50) already connected. Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/debian/dists/unstable/non-free/binary-i386/Release USER failed, server said: Sorry, maximum number of allowed clients (50) already connected. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) _.._..,_,_ ( ) ]~,"-.-~~[ .=])' (; ([ [ ]:: ' [ '=]): .) ([ |:: ' | ~~----~~ mmmm.....beer -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010205/cd284798/attachment.pgp From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Feb 5 11:17:55 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Weird IPCHAINS thinggie? Message-ID: Hi, Sorry about the uninformative $SUBJ... I was going through my system to make some firewall changes. Just about to change the firewall rules, when I looked in /etc/sysconfig and noticed a 151MB file named .firewall[lots of junk PINE can't handle].swp. It seems to be current and updating... looks legit, but I've never seen it before. Anyone? -Yaron -- From jsowers at osii.com Mon Feb 5 11:12:11 2001 From: jsowers at osii.com (Jason Sowers) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hmmm? In-Reply-To: <3A7ED642.2050507@haxxed.com> Message-ID: funny you should mention that. I haven't seen much either, and I got your message so that would lead me to believe that it works, you're mail config that is, and obviously mine works. ____________________________________ Jason Sowers Network Engineer Open Systems International 3600 Holly Lane North Suite 40 Minneapolis, MN 55447-1286 Phone: (763) 551-0559 Fax: (763) 551-1750 Email: jsowers@osii.com http: www.osii.com & www.e-scada.com -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Callum Lerwick Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 10:35 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Hmmm? Haven't seen anything from this list in a few days. Is it really this dead or did I mess up my mail config again? ;P _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Feb 5 11:47:41 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hmmm? In-Reply-To: <3A7ED642.2050507@haxxed.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Mon, 5 Feb 2001, Callum Lerwick wrote: > Haven't seen anything from this list in a few days. Is it really this > dead or did I mess up my mail config again? ;P Damnit, this question should be on the TCLUG FAQ! It gets asked on a weekly basis at least! -Yaron -- From clay at fandre.com Mon Feb 5 12:10:11 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hmmm? References: Message-ID: <3A7EEC83.1CDBF7A7@fandre.com> Jason Sowers wrote: > > funny you should mention that. I haven't seen much either, and I got your > message so that would lead me to believe that it works, you're mail config > that is, and obviously mine works. > Maybe Bob's talk confused everyone so much that they no longer know how to send email. Or else everyone tried to implement SMTP Auth yesterday and broke their mail servers. From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Feb 5 12:13:14 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hmmm? In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Mon, Feb 05, 2001 at 11:47:41AM -0600 References: <3A7ED642.2050507@haxxed.com> Message-ID: <20010205121314.C1291@minime.sistina.com> On Mon, Feb 05, 2001 at 11:47:41AM -0600, Yaron wrote: >Damnit, this question should be on the TCLUG FAQ! It gets asked on a >weekly basis at least! Perhaps someone should answer it. Obviously if the person is getting no mail from the list, they can't possibly know the question has been asked. Nor would they think to check the archives. > > >-Yaron > >-- > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) _.._..,_,_ ( ) ]~,"-.-~~[ .=])' (; ([ [ ]:: ' [ '=]): .) ([ |:: ' | ~~----~~ mmmm.....beer -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010205/06fa336e/attachment.pgp From foeclan at winternet.com Mon Feb 5 12:37:17 2001 From: foeclan at winternet.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hmmm? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 5 Feb 2001, Callum Lerwick wrote: > Haven't seen anything from this list in a few days. Is it really this > dead or did I mess up my mail config again? ;P Don't worry. We're just talking about you behind your back. ;) Michael Vieths Foeclan@Winternet.Com From ben at nerp.net Mon Feb 5 12:52:11 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hmmm? In-Reply-To: <3A7ED642.2050507@haxxed.com> Message-ID: heh.. maybe we should setup a syslog like --MARK-- email that goes out once an hour. ;) Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Mon, 5 Feb 2001, Callum Lerwick wrote: > Haven't seen anything from this list in a few days. Is it really this > dead or did I mess up my mail config again? ;P > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jsowers at osii.com Mon Feb 5 13:11:48 2001 From: jsowers at osii.com (Jason Sowers) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hmmm? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: you'll get over that ____________________________________ Jason Sowers Network Engineer Open Systems International 3600 Holly Lane North Suite 40 Minneapolis, MN 55447-1286 Phone: (763) 551-0559 Fax: (763) 551-1750 Email: jsowers@osii.com http: www.osii.com & www.e-scada.com -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Yaron Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 11:48 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Hmmm? Hi, On Mon, 5 Feb 2001, Callum Lerwick wrote: > Haven't seen anything from this list in a few days. Is it really this > dead or did I mess up my mail config again? ;P Damnit, this question should be on the TCLUG FAQ! It gets asked on a weekly basis at least! -Yaron -- _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Mon Feb 5 13:40:29 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hmmm? References: Message-ID: <3A7F01AD.391DBD2A@fandre.com> Ben Kochie wrote: > > heh.. maybe we should setup a syslog like --MARK-- email that goes out > once an hour. ;) > Yea, everyone add this to your crontab: 0 * * * * echo "--MARK--" | mail -s "MARK" tclug-list@mn-linux.org since we need to know EVERYONE is working, right? You wouldn't mind, would ya Bob? From jacque at fruitioninc.com Mon Feb 5 13:58:08 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting this Thursday! Message-ID: Hi All- This Thursday, February 5th, we'll be meeting at O'Gara's (in the BrewPub Part) in St. Paul. 6pm - 8pm or so. Apparently, they have got into the microbrew business. Address: 164 Snelling Ave N Saint Paul, MN 55104 Phone:(651) 644-3333 Map: http://www.mapquest.com/cgi-bin/ia_find?link=btwn%2Ftwn-map_results&random=5 20&event=find_search&uid=u2ma01b934h4keed%3A80dfbngur&SNVData=&address=164+S nelling+Ave+N&city=St+Paul&State=MN&Zip=&Find+Map.x=65&Find+Map.y=11 Hope to see you there! Jacque From jacque at fruitioninc.com Mon Feb 5 13:58:08 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beer Meeting this Thursday! Message-ID: Hi All- This Thursday, February 5th, we'll be meeting at O'Gara's (in the BrewPub Part) in St. Paul. 6pm - 8pm or so. Apparently, they have got into the microbrew business. Address: 164 Snelling Ave N Saint Paul, MN 55104 Phone:(651) 644-3333 Map: http://www.mapquest.com/cgi-bin/ia_find?link=btwn%2Ftwn-map_results&random=5 20&event=find_search&uid=u2ma01b934h4keed%3A80dfbngur&SNVData=&address=164+S nelling+Ave+N&city=St+Paul&State=MN&Zip=&Find+Map.x=65&Find+Map.y=11 Hope to see you there! Jacque _______________________________________________ tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From retterej at tcfreenet.org Mon Feb 5 14:53:56 2001 From: retterej at tcfreenet.org (James Alan Retterer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Moving Sale Message-ID: I apologize in advance for the "marketplace" post - but I wanted to try to sell locally first. I have the following items for sale: Sparc 5 (upgraded Sparc 2) 128Mb RAM, 4Gb HD, 17" monitor, key & mouse HD has Solaris 7 installed Sparc 2 - basically just case and motherboard Sparc 1 - basically just case and motherboard Apollo 19" Color Monitor - it's big and it's heavy (2) SGI IRIS 4D/60T (also very big an very heavy) presumed to still work, though not tested in years. Each with various drives and cards and such. Lots and lots of assorted old computer parts, floppy drives, hard drives, keyboards... All going, going, gone! I am moving to California at the end of the month, and wish to lighten my load - email me at retterej@tcfreenet.org if you have any interest in any of these. I am willing to accept any reasonable offers. Thanks, James 0111100101001100011000001110110101110000110000 1101010010001100100110010111110100010100010001 From veldy at veldy.net Mon Feb 5 15:14:46 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Moving Sale References: Message-ID: <005801c08fb8$ab1f17f0$3028680a@tgt.com> We all know that the real reason you are selling these is that you won't be able to afford to power them up in California :) Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alan Retterer" To: Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 2:53 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Moving Sale > I apologize in advance for the "marketplace" post - but I wanted to try to > sell locally first. > > I have the following items for sale: > > Sparc 5 (upgraded Sparc 2) 128Mb RAM, 4Gb HD, 17" monitor, key & mouse > HD has Solaris 7 installed > > Sparc 2 - basically just case and motherboard > > Sparc 1 - basically just case and motherboard > > Apollo 19" Color Monitor - it's big and it's heavy > > (2) SGI IRIS 4D/60T (also very big an very heavy) presumed to still work, > though not tested in years. Each with various drives and cards and such. > > Lots and lots of assorted old computer parts, floppy drives, hard drives, > keyboards... All going, going, gone! > > I am moving to California at the end of the month, and wish to lighten my > load - email me at retterej@tcfreenet.org if you have any interest in > any of these. I am willing to accept any reasonable offers. > > Thanks, > James > > > > 0111100101001100011000001110110101110000110000 > 1101010010001100100110010111110100010100010001 > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From Larry.Cable at nwa.com Mon Feb 5 15:33:40 2001 From: Larry.Cable at nwa.com (Larry Cable) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] D-LINK cards Message-ID: <015101c08fbb$4eda4e80$3360488b@mn.nwa.com> I just received this from D-LINK as I was having trouble getting my card to work also. Hope this helps. LarryC D-Link Reference ID: TSE10205-125334 (This is NOT an RMA number. It is for e-mail response tracking purposes only.) Dear Valued Customer, Here is a list of the most common D-Link Adapters for which Linux has drivers developed. Adapter Drivers in Linux D-Link Adapter Linux Module Module Location __________________________________________________________________________ Desktop Adapters *.*.**-** = Kernel version (ie: 2.2.12-20) DE-220 ne.o lib/modules/*.*.**/net DE-528ct ne2k-pci.o lib/modules/*.*.**/net DFE-500tx tulip.o lib/modules/*.*.**/net DFE-530tx via-rhine.o lib/modules/*.*.**/net DFE-530tx+ rtl8139.o lib/modules/*.*.**/net DFE-538tx rtl8139.o lib/modules/*.*.**/net DFE-540tx tulip.o lib/modules/*.*.**/net __________________________________________________________________________ Portable Adapters *.*.**-** = Kernel version (ie: 2.2.12-20) DE-650 pcnet_cs.o lib/modules/*.*.**/pcmcia DFE-650 pcnet_cs.o lib/modules/*.*.**/pcmcia DFE-650tx pcmcia_cs.o lib/modules/*.*.**/pcmcia DFE-660tx tulip_cb.o lib/modules/*.*.**/pcmcia Note: (1)These modules are found on most newer distributions of Linux. (2) Most PCMCIA drivers are found in pcmcia_cs 3.1.24 which can be found at: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=2405 Thank you for your technical question and feedback. If you are continuing to have problems please contact our live support at 949-790-5290.or resubmit the problem at http://www.dlink.com/tech/contact/. Thank You, D-Link US Technical Support 949-790-5290 Note: D-Link receives a large volume of e-mail each day so please include ALL previous e-mail exchanges with D-Link Technical Support when sending replies. Thank you. To: ustech@dlink.com From: c15018@nwa.com cc: bcc: Subject: D-LINK DE-220PCT & RedHat Linux 7.0 Assigned: Hieu N. I'm having trouble getting the D-LINK DE-220PCT to initialize. I've got a dual boot system: WINNT and RedHat Linux 7.0. In WINNT the card is set to IO=240 and IRQ=11 plug&play disabled and it works fine. In Linux I have in /etc/modules.conf... alias eth0 nec2k-pci nec2k-pci io=240 irq=11 Upon booting in Linux I get insmod eth0 initialization failed. What needs to be done to fix this?? Thanks LarryC Larry.Cable@nwa.com >Message: 6 >Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 19:19:33 -0600 >From: "d.j. callais" >To: TCLUG >Subject: [TCLUG] D-Link Cards >Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >Does anyone have any experience installing the D-Link DFE 530TX+ network >card? I am running RH 7.0 and trying to use the recommended driver >rtl8139 and having no luck at all. > > >Thanks >D.J. > > From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu Mon Feb 5 16:24:59 2001 From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Moving Sale In-Reply-To: <005801c08fb8$ab1f17f0$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: All you need to do is to replace the current powersupply with a new hamster powersupply. The only problem is that it leaves droppings all over your mb. Has anyone ever considered alternitive energy for their computers. There was an attachment for my newton that would allow it to charge off a flexible solar pannel. Fuel cells replacing laptop batteries and so on... It could happen! Colin Kilbane From andyzib at ringworld.org Mon Feb 5 17:42:04 2001 From: andyzib at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Moving Sale References: Message-ID: <3A7F3A4C.914A4EC5@ringworld.org> My Uncle's boss always said he could use a computer if it was steam powered, and well, the engineers got together and did just that. -- | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | | This message is protected by double ROT13 | | encryption. Any attempt to circumvent the | | digital protection is banned by the DMCA. | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: andyzib.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 2268 bytes Desc: Card for Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010205/41ebf76f/andyzib.vcf From tanner at real-time.com Mon Feb 5 18:31:41 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Going POSTAL (Mailman prob) In-Reply-To: <00ba01c08ed5$182ffbf0$991ea8c0@digitalriver.com>; from jamie@getsetnet.net on Sun, Feb 04, 2001 at 12:05:14PM -0600 References: <00ba01c08ed5$182ffbf0$991ea8c0@digitalriver.com> Message-ID: <20010205183141.E7716@real-time.com> Quoting Jamie Ostrowski (jamie@getsetnet.net): > > I am having problems installing Mailman. > > I downloaded it and followed the directions for compiling it, but > when I run bin/check_perms from the install directory, I get the > following > results: > > > > [root@floyd mailman-1.1]# bin/check_perms -f > Traceback (innermost last): > File "bin/check_perms", line 19, in ? > import paths Make maiman-1.1? Upgrade to 2.0.1, then try it again. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jacque at fruitioninc.com Mon Feb 5 18:48:30 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beer Meeting this Thursday! In-Reply-To: <3A7F487E.87F222DB@black-hole.com> Message-ID: Its Thursday the 8th. Using lookout! for my email is making my brain squishy. Sorry for the confusion. ~jacque > > So is it Thursday or the 5th? Just asking. > > Jacqueline Urick wrote: > > > Hi All- > > > > This Thursday, February 5th, we'll be meeting at O'Gara's (in > the BrewPub > > Part) in St. Paul. 6pm - 8pm or so. Apparently, they have got into the > > microbrew business. > > > > Address: > > 164 Snelling Ave N > > Saint Paul, MN 55104 > > Phone:(651) 644-3333 > > > > Map: > > http://www.mapquest.com/cgi-bin/ia_find?link=btwn%2Ftwn-map_results&random=5 > 20&event=find_search&uid=u2ma01b934h4keed%3A80dfbngur&SNVData=&address=164+S > nelling+Ave+N&city=St+Paul&State=MN&Zip=&Find+Map.x=65&Find+Map.y=11 > > Hope to see you there! > > Jacque > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-announce mailing list > tclug-announce@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Feb 5 20:52:35 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beer Meeting this Thursday! In-Reply-To: ; from jacque@fruitioninc.com on Mon, Feb 05, 2001 at 06:48:30PM -0600 References: <3A7F487E.87F222DB@black-hole.com> Message-ID: <20010205205234.B6655@minime.sistina.com> On Mon, Feb 05, 2001 at 06:48:30PM -0600, Jacqueline Urick wrote: >Its Thursday the 8th. > >Using lookout! for my email is making my brain squishy. > >Sorry for the confusion. You mean that you called thursday the 5th? > >~jacque > > > >> >> So is it Thursday or the 5th? Just asking. >> >> Jacqueline Urick wrote: >> >> > Hi All- >> > >> > This Thursday, February 5th, we'll be meeting at O'Gara's (in >> the BrewPub >> > Part) in St. Paul. 6pm - 8pm or so. Apparently, they have got into the >> > microbrew business. >> > >> > Address: >> > 164 Snelling Ave N >> > Saint Paul, MN 55104 >> > Phone:(651) 644-3333 >> > >> > Map: >> > >http://www.mapquest.com/cgi-bin/ia_find?link=btwn%2Ftwn-map_results&random=5 >> >20&event=find_search&uid=u2ma01b934h4keed%3A80dfbngur&SNVData=&address=164+S >> nelling+Ave+N&city=St+Paul&State=MN&Zip=&Find+Map.x=65&Find+Map.y=11 >> >> Hope to see you there! >> >> Jacque >> >> _______________________________________________ >> tclug-announce mailing list >> tclug-announce@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) _.._..,_,_ ( ) ]~,"-.-~~[ .=])' (; ([ [ ]:: ' [ '=]): .) ([ |:: ' | ~~----~~ mmmm.....beer -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010205/1e090419/attachment.pgp From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Mon Feb 5 22:35:15 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] D-LINK cards In-Reply-To: <015101c08fbb$4eda4e80$3360488b@mn.nwa.com> Message-ID: Their list isn't exactly right. The DE-660CT is also supported under the 8390.0 and whatever does ne.o for pcmcia services. But, (as usual) at least more works that what they know! Cheers, Phil M On Mon, 5 Feb 2001, Larry Cable wrote: > I just received this from D-LINK as I was having trouble getting my card to > work also. Hope this helps. > LarryC > > > D-Link Reference ID: TSE10205-125334 > (This is NOT an RMA number. It is for e-mail response tracking > purposes only.) > > > Dear Valued Customer, > > Here is a list of the most common D-Link Adapters for which Linux has > drivers developed. > > Adapter Drivers in Linux > > D-Link Adapter Linux Module Module Location > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > > > Desktop Adapters *.*.**-** = Kernel version (ie: > 2.2.12-20) > > DE-220 ne.o lib/modules/*.*.**/net > > DE-528ct ne2k-pci.o lib/modules/*.*.**/net > > DFE-500tx tulip.o lib/modules/*.*.**/net > > DFE-530tx via-rhine.o lib/modules/*.*.**/net > > DFE-530tx+ rtl8139.o lib/modules/*.*.**/net > > DFE-538tx rtl8139.o lib/modules/*.*.**/net > > DFE-540tx tulip.o lib/modules/*.*.**/net > > __________________________________________________________________________ > > Portable Adapters > *.*.**-** = Kernel version (ie: 2.2.12-20) > > DE-650 pcnet_cs.o lib/modules/*.*.**/pcmcia > > DFE-650 pcnet_cs.o lib/modules/*.*.**/pcmcia > > DFE-650tx pcmcia_cs.o lib/modules/*.*.**/pcmcia > > > DFE-660tx tulip_cb.o lib/modules/*.*.**/pcmcia > > > Note: > (1)These modules are found on most newer distributions of Linux. > > (2) Most PCMCIA drivers are found in pcmcia_cs 3.1.24 which can be > found at: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=2405 > > Thank you for your technical question and feedback. If you are > continuing to have problems please contact our live support at > 949-790-5290.or resubmit the problem at > http://www.dlink.com/tech/contact/. > > > Thank You, > D-Link US Technical Support > 949-790-5290 > > > Note: D-Link receives a large volume of e-mail each day so please > include ALL previous e-mail exchanges with D-Link Technical Support > when sending replies. Thank you. > > > > > To: ustech@dlink.com > From: c15018@nwa.com > cc: > bcc: > Subject: D-LINK DE-220PCT & RedHat Linux 7.0 > Assigned: Hieu N. > > I'm having trouble getting the D-LINK DE-220PCT to initialize. I've got > a dual boot system: WINNT and RedHat Linux 7.0. In WINNT the card is > set to IO=240 and IRQ=11 plug&play disabled and it works fine. In Linux > I have in /etc/modules.conf... > > alias eth0 nec2k-pci > nec2k-pci io=240 irq=11 > > > Upon booting in Linux I get insmod eth0 initialization failed. What > needs to be done to fix this?? > > Thanks > > LarryC > Larry.Cable@nwa.com > > > >Message: 6 > >Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 19:19:33 -0600 > >From: "d.j. callais" > >To: TCLUG > >Subject: [TCLUG] D-Link Cards > >Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > >Does anyone have any experience installing the D-Link DFE 530TX+ network > >card? I am running RH 7.0 and trying to use the recommended driver > >rtl8139 and having no luck at all. > > > > > >Thanks > >D.J. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From chrome at real-time.com Tue Feb 6 09:07:14 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] our debian mirror In-Reply-To: <20010205105139.A722@minime.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Mon, Feb 05, 2001 at 10:51:39AM -0600 References: <20010205105139.A722@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010206090714.A23911@real-time.com> > Sheesh bob, 50 users max? What's up with that? Real-Time is paying for the bandwidth, you're not. You can't complain too loudly about that deal. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From blayer at qwest.net Tue Feb 6 03:44:34 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ultimate 386 Linux notebook ;) In-Reply-To: <20010205205234.B6655@minime.sistina.com> References: <3A7F487E.87F222DB@black-hole.com> <20010205205234.B6655@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <01020609443402.05094@Homer> I think it's time to sell the "ultimate" Linux 386 notebook. It's a Compaq LTE Lite/25e (compact notebook). 386-25Mhz, with optional 80387 FPU installed. 12MB ram, 500MB hd, internal 14.4 modem, high-contrast, backlit LCD (one of the best LCD I have ever seen..) lid mounted trackmouse. The battery is in good shape, runs the machine for over 2 hours. I have also replaced the CMOS battery within the last 6 months, so that should be good for 6 more years. The ultimate 386 notebook also includes the matching Compaq docking station. The docking station features two 16bit ISA slots, two or three drive slots, onboard IDE controller and a full port replicator. It is designed to have a monitor set atop it, and a keyboard in front of it, so the whole outfit is like a small desktop machine. The station has a 10baseT ethernet card installed as well, which I have been using up until very recently. The machine has Slackware 7.0 (kernel 2.4.0), and is configued to use all of the hardware I mentioned. X is installed and runs fine (but slowly..) This notebook has been extremely reliable since I have owned it. Everything is in tip-top shape, in all respects. Anyone interested, make offer. -- -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From jsowers at osii.com Tue Feb 6 09:52:01 2001 From: jsowers at osii.com (Jason Sowers) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ultimate 386 Linux notebook ;) In-Reply-To: <01020609443402.05094@Homer> Message-ID: Is it just me or does this read like something out of a Hot-Rod magazine? It sounds cool though. ____________________________________ Jason Sowers Network Engineer Open Systems International 3600 Holly Lane North Suite 40 Minneapolis, MN 55447-1286 Phone: (763) 551-0559 Fax: (763) 551-1750 Email: jsowers@osii.com http: www.osii.com & www.e-scada.com -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Bill Layer Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 3:45 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Ultimate 386 Linux notebook ;) I think it's time to sell the "ultimate" Linux 386 notebook. It's a Compaq LTE Lite/25e (compact notebook). 386-25Mhz, with optional 80387 FPU installed. 12MB ram, 500MB hd, internal 14.4 modem, high-contrast, backlit LCD (one of the best LCD I have ever seen..) lid mounted trackmouse. The battery is in good shape, runs the machine for over 2 hours. I have also replaced the CMOS battery within the last 6 months, so that should be good for 6 more years. The ultimate 386 notebook also includes the matching Compaq docking station. The docking station features two 16bit ISA slots, two or three drive slots, onboard IDE controller and a full port replicator. It is designed to have a monitor set atop it, and a keyboard in front of it, so the whole outfit is like a small desktop machine. The station has a 10baseT ethernet card installed as well, which I have been using up until very recently. The machine has Slackware 7.0 (kernel 2.4.0), and is configued to use all of the hardware I mentioned. X is installed and runs fine (but slowly..) This notebook has been extremely reliable since I have owned it. Everything is in tip-top shape, in all respects. Anyone interested, make offer. -- -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tsell at walkermeth.org Tue Feb 6 09:58:53 2001 From: tsell at walkermeth.org (Thomas Sell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Newbie needs help printing to multiple network printers - with filtering Message-ID: I'm running S.u.S.E. 6.1 with apsfilter (docs say it is based on apsfilter 4.9). I need to setup my linux box to print to multiple network printers, and I need to be able to use the apsfilter for all of them so I can get the documents from the DOS applications to print in the right format (different users, different departments, same DOS). So far, I've managed to setup 1 remote printer with a "filtering queue" and in the aspfilterrc.ljet4 file, set the remote printer value to the entry in printcap. I can "net use" the filtering queue and get the formatted printout, or I can "net use" the remote printer queue, and get the unformatted prinout. Now I am stuck. Does anyone know how I can setup another LJ4 (different IP address) and "filtering queue" on the linux box so I can choose which printer I want and still get it to filter? If not, can anyone tell me how I can get the aspfilterrc.ljet4 file to let me choose which remote remote printer to use? I would rather not have to setup a linux box for every printer in the company - on the other hand I would rather do that than setup anything begining with "MS." ;o) Any help/insight would be greatly appreciated. Also, please post responses to the newsgroup. Unsolicitated emails are deleted without opening. Thanks in advance. - Thomas From clay at fandre.com Tue Feb 6 10:16:29 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ultimate 386 Linux notebook ;) References: <3A7F487E.87F222DB@black-hole.com> <20010205205234.B6655@minime.sistina.com> <01020609443402.05094@Homer> Message-ID: <3A80235D.A2FB395D@fandre.com> Bill Layer wrote: > > I think it's time to sell the "ultimate" Linux 386 notebook. It's a Compaq > LTE Lite/25e (compact notebook). 386-25Mhz, with optional 80387 FPU > installed. 12MB ram, 500MB hd, internal 14.4 modem, high-contrast, backlit > LCD (one of the best LCD I have ever seen..) lid mounted trackmouse. The > battery is in good shape, runs the machine for over 2 hours. I have also > replaced the CMOS battery within the last 6 months, so that should be good > for 6 more years. > > The ultimate 386 notebook also includes the matching Compaq docking station. > The docking station features two 16bit ISA slots, two or three drive slots, > onboard IDE controller and a full port replicator. It is designed to have a > monitor set atop it, and a keyboard in front of it, so the whole outfit is > like a small desktop machine. The station has a 10baseT ethernet card > installed as well, which I have been using up until very recently. > > The machine has Slackware 7.0 (kernel 2.4.0), and is configued to use all of > the hardware I mentioned. X is installed and runs fine (but slowly..) This > notebook has been extremely reliable since I have owned it. Everything is in > tip-top shape, in all respects. Anyone interested, make offer. Sure, I'll take it off your hands for you. I won't even charge you. ;-) From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Feb 6 10:17:50 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] our debian mirror In-Reply-To: <20010206090714.A23911@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 09:07:14AM -0600 References: <20010205105139.A722@minime.sistina.com> <20010206090714.A23911@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010206101750.C856@minime.sistina.com> On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 09:07:14AM -0600, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: >> Sheesh bob, 50 users max? What's up with that? > >Real-Time is paying for the bandwidth, you're not. You can't complain too loudly about that deal. :) Well, if you're going to mirror, perhaps you should limit what you're mirroring and who you tell if that's the case. 50 users for a kernel, redhat, debian, and god knows what else mirror is not enough if you broadcast to the whole world (i.e. being listed as an official mirror) Hell I can't even use the mirror anymore, I had to go back to http.us.debian.org and get to deal with thier crummy round-robin DNS with the one machine that NEVER responds. Not complaining, just asking what the deal was. The statement "what's up with that" hardly qualifies as a complaint. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) _.._..,_,_ ( ) ]~,"-.-~~[ .=])' (; ([ [ ]:: ' [ '=]): .) ([ |:: ' | ~~----~~ mmmm.....beer -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On Tuesday 06 February 2001 15:52, you wrote: > Is it just me or does this read like something out of a Hot-Rod magazine? > It sounds cool though. -- -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Tue Feb 6 10:34:18 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] our debian mirror References: <20010205105139.A722@minime.sistina.com> <20010206090714.A23911@real-time.com> <20010206101750.C856@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <3A80278A.67C89482@tc.umn.edu> Ben Lutgens wrote: > > Hell I can't even use the mirror anymore, I had to go back to > http.us.debian.org and get to deal with thier crummy round-robin DNS with the > one machine that NEVER responds. I think you just have to hunt for another server that's relatively close to you in Internet geography (igeography? hmm..). I thought Debian had a program that would go out and find the best mirror site for you... -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ No one gets too old to / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ learn a new way of being \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) stupid. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From andy at theasis.com Tue Feb 6 10:40:28 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] our debian mirror In-Reply-To: <3A80278A.67C89482@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: > I think you just have to hunt for another server that's relatively close > to you in Internet geography (igeography? hmm..). Topology. As for igeography... well, see Telegeography.com. Andy From jsowers at osii.com Tue Feb 6 10:46:11 2001 From: jsowers at osii.com (Jason Sowers) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ultimate 386 Linux notebook ;) In-Reply-To: <01020610183603.05094@Homer> Message-ID: Now that's what I'm talking about. We need to get Tim "The Tool Man" Taylor in here to do some commentary for us. ____________________________________ Jason Sowers Network Engineer Open Systems International 3600 Holly Lane North Suite 40 Minneapolis, MN 55447-1286 Phone: (763) 551-0559 Fax: (763) 551-1750 Email: jsowers@osii.com http: www.osii.com & www.e-scada.com -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Bill Layer Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 4:19 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Ultimate 386 Linux notebook ;) Sundayyyy...! Be there...! See hyped-up low-end Linux machines getting down & ditry in a giant mudpit! With a special-guest halftime show featuring Gladiator jumping a 6' pile of flaming obsolete hardware. On Tuesday 06 February 2001 15:52, you wrote: > Is it just me or does this read like something out of a Hot-Rod magazine? > It sounds cool though. -- -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scottdagastino at yahoo.com Tue Feb 6 10:55:57 2001 From: scottdagastino at yahoo.com (Scott Dagastino) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problems with xterm in RedHat 6.1 Message-ID: <20010206165557.43387.qmail@web9605.mail.yahoo.com> I have recently installed Redhat Linux 6.1 out of the box. When I go into startx, everything displays just fine until I invoke the xterm. The xterm comes up and I can type in commands that work, but problems: 1. prompt does not display 2. what I type is not displaying. 3. If I then highlight the window (with mouse) then all the commands are displayed. I already tried setting the foreground/background colors and nothing works. Any suggestions: __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From Troy.Johnson at health.state.mn.us Tue Feb 6 11:02:27 2001 From: Troy.Johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problems with xterm in RedHat 6.1 Message-ID: What kind of video card and display do you have? What X windows settings are you using (8-bit, 24-bit,...; 640x480, 600x800,...). A lot of detail is a good thing. It sounds like you might be starved for colors right off the bat. Are you using Gnome or KDE? >>> scottdagastino@yahoo.com 02/06/01 10:55AM >>> I have recently installed Redhat Linux 6.1 out of the box. When I go into startx, everything displays just fine until I invoke the xterm. The xterm comes up and I can type in commands that work, but problems: 1. prompt does not display 2. what I type is not displaying. 3. If I then highlight the window (with mouse) then all the commands are displayed. I already tried setting the foreground/background colors and nothing works. Any suggestions: __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Tue Feb 6 11:03:23 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problems with xterm in RedHat 6.1 References: <20010206165557.43387.qmail@web9605.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3A802E5B.6B95844C@fandre.com> Scott Dagastino wrote: > > I have recently installed Redhat Linux 6.1 out of the > box. When I go into startx, everything displays just > fine until I invoke the xterm. > > The xterm comes up and I can type in commands that > work, but problems: > 1. prompt does not display > 2. what I type is not displaying. > 3. If I then highlight the window (with mouse) then > all the commands are displayed. I already tried > setting the foreground/background colors and nothing > works. > > Any suggestions: (Ben would say) Install Debian. From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Feb 6 11:05:04 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] our debian mirror In-Reply-To: <3A80278A.67C89482@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 10:34:18AM -0600 References: <20010205105139.A722@minime.sistina.com> <20010206090714.A23911@real-time.com> <20010206101750.C856@minime.sistina.com> <3A80278A.67C89482@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010206110503.A1518@minime.sistina.com> On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 10:34:18AM -0600, Michael Hicks wrote: > >I think you just have to hunt for another server that's relatively close >to you in Internet geography (igeography? hmm..). I thought Debian had >a program that would go out and find the best mirror site for you... > Not that I am aware of. If someone knows of a mirror checker lemme know. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) _.._..,_,_ ( ) ]~,"-.-~~[ .=])' (; ([ [ ]:: ' [ '=]): .) ([ |:: ' | ~~----~~ mmmm.....beer -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Finite topology, anyway. There are probably a lot of math geek jokes in there -- if the network is the set of nodes, we can prove that users are dense in the network... Nah. Let it go. Phil M. -- "He who hesitates last gets the worm." --P.M. From scottdagastino at yahoo.com Tue Feb 6 11:15:41 2001 From: scottdagastino at yahoo.com (Scott Dagastino) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problems with xterm in RedHat 6.1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010206171541.48077.qmail@web9606.mail.yahoo.com> 1024X768 24 bit kde problem exists under gnome as well video card unknown, but willing to try another. --- Troy Johnson wrote: > What kind of video card and display do you have? > What X windows settings are you using (8-bit, > 24-bit,...; 640x480, 600x800,...). A lot of detail > is a good thing. > > It sounds like you might be starved for colors right > off the bat. Are you using Gnome or KDE? > > >>> scottdagastino@yahoo.com 02/06/01 10:55AM >>> > I have recently installed Redhat Linux 6.1 out of > the > box. When I go into startx, everything displays > just > fine until I invoke the xterm. > > The xterm comes up and I can type in commands that > work, but problems: > 1. prompt does not display > 2. what I type is not displaying. > 3. If I then highlight the window (with mouse) then > all the commands are displayed. I already tried > setting the foreground/background colors and nothing > works. > > Any suggestions: > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great > prices. > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From andy at theasis.com Tue Feb 6 11:20:05 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] topology In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > > I think you just have to hunt for another server that's relatively close > > > to you in Internet geography (igeography? hmm..). > > > > Topology. > > Finite topology, anyway. Oh no, not you again! Andy > > Phil M. > > From tanner at real-time.com Tue Feb 6 11:21:50 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] our debian mirror In-Reply-To: <20010206101750.C856@minime.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 10:17:50AM -0600 References: <20010205105139.A722@minime.sistina.com> <20010206090714.A23911@real-time.com> <20010206101750.C856@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010206112150.D7572@real-time.com> Quoting Ben Lutgens (blutgens@sistina.com): > On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 09:07:14AM -0600, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > >> Sheesh bob, 50 users max? What's up with that? > > > >Real-Time is paying for the bandwidth, you're not. You can't complain too loudly about that deal. :) > > Well, if you're going to mirror, perhaps you should limit what you're > mirroring and who you tell if that's the case. 50 users for a kernel, redhat, > debian, and god knows what else mirror is not enough if you broadcast to the > whole world (i.e. being listed as an official mirror) > > Hell I can't even use the mirror anymore, I had to go back to > http.us.debian.org and get to deal with thier crummy round-robin DNS with the > one machine that NEVER responds. > > Not complaining, just asking what the deal was. The statement "what's up with > that" hardly qualifies as a complaint. > You can always get DSL service with us and then you would not be subject to that limitation :-) We have been burning 3 T1s at an avg utilization of 200Kb/s. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Feb 6 11:33:30 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ultimate 386 Linux notebook ;) In-Reply-To: <01020609443402.05094@Homer>; from blayer@qwest.net on Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 09:44:34AM +0000 References: <3A7F487E.87F222DB@black-hole.com> <20010205205234.B6655@minime.sistina.com> <01020609443402.05094@Homer> Message-ID: <20010206113329.A2150@minime.sistina.com> On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 09:44:34AM +0000, Bill Layer wrote: hmmm, let's see buy a 386 sporting linux or keep my vaio super-slim sproting FreeBSD 4.2.... hehe >I think it's time to sell the "ultimate" Linux 386 notebook. It's a Compaq >LTE Lite/25e (compact notebook). 386-25Mhz, with optional 80387 FPU >installed. 12MB ram, 500MB hd, internal 14.4 modem, high-contrast, backlit >LCD (one of the best LCD I have ever seen..) lid mounted trackmouse. The >battery is in good shape, runs the machine for over 2 hours. I have also >replaced the CMOS battery within the last 6 months, so that should be good >for 6 more years. > >The ultimate 386 notebook also includes the matching Compaq docking station. >The docking station features two 16bit ISA slots, two or three drive slots, >onboard IDE controller and a full port replicator. It is designed to have a >monitor set atop it, and a keyboard in front of it, so the whole outfit is >like a small desktop machine. The station has a 10baseT ethernet card >installed as well, which I have been using up until very recently. > > >The machine has Slackware 7.0 (kernel 2.4.0), and is configued to use all of >the hardware I mentioned. X is installed and runs fine (but slowly..) This >notebook has been extremely reliable since I have owned it. Everything is in >tip-top shape, in all respects. Anyone interested, make offer. > >-- > > > -.bill.layer.- > >-.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- > > -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) _.._..,_,_ ( ) ]~,"-.-~~[ .=])' (; ([ [ ]:: ' [ '=]): .) ([ |:: ' | ~~----~~ mmmm.....beer -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If you've allready got a printer there (and if printing is working I assume you do) then it should be fairly obvious on how to add a second printer of the same type. After you add the printer, restart lpd and samba. (In that order) To get filtering working I use the lpd_bounce option in lprng. For now, see your documentation as I don't have a working example on hand. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Does redhat still do that weird nxterm thing?... -Yaron -- From andyzb at ltiflex.com Tue Feb 6 11:44:57 2001 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problems with xterm in RedHat 6.1 References: <20010206171541.48077.qmail@web9606.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3A803819.83426CBE@ltiflex.com> xterm -fg white -bg black If that doesn't do it, try eterm, rxvt, gnome-terminal, konsole, etc. and see how they behave. Frankly I'm impressed that you got X working without knowing what video card you have. RedHat must have done something right. :) -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: andyzb.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 367 bytes Desc: Card for Andy Zbikowski Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010206/d6bc527a/andyzb.vcf From clay at fandre.com Tue Feb 6 11:49:19 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ultimate 386 Linux notebook ;) References: <3A7F487E.87F222DB@black-hole.com> <20010205205234.B6655@minime.sistina.com> <01020609443402.05094@Homer> <20010206113329.A2150@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <3A80391F.A610694D@fandre.com> Ben Lutgens wrote: > > > hmmm, let's see buy a 386 sporting linux or keep my vaio super-slim sproting > FreeBSD 4.2.... > What?!?! No debian? Are you an IDIOT??? (Oh yea. Nevermind.) From jon.erickson at neicoltech.org Tue Feb 6 11:49:30 2001 From: jon.erickson at neicoltech.org (Jonathan Erickson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problems with xterm in RedHat 6.1 In-Reply-To: <3A802E5B.6B95844C@fandre.com> Message-ID: Are you using enlightenment as your window manager (Gnome\enlightenment is the RH6.1 default)? If so, you need to change the configuration so that new windows automagically get the focus. You can change the settings via Gnome Control Center -> Window Manager -> Run Configuration Tool for Enlightenment -> Behavior. Make sure that the "All new windows that appear get the keyboard focus" option is selected. Jon Erickson > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Clay Fandre > Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 11:03 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] problems with xterm in RedHat 6.1 > > > Scott Dagastino wrote: > > > > I have recently installed Redhat Linux 6.1 out of the > > box. When I go into startx, everything displays just > > fine until I invoke the xterm. > > > > The xterm comes up and I can type in commands that > > work, but problems: > > 1. prompt does not display > > 2. what I type is not displaying. > > 3. If I then highlight the window (with mouse) then > > all the commands are displayed. I already tried > > setting the foreground/background colors and nothing > > works. > > > > Any suggestions: > > (Ben would say) Install Debian. > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Feb 6 12:18:34 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ultimate 386 Linux notebook ;) In-Reply-To: <3A80391F.A610694D@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 11:49:19AM -0600 References: <3A7F487E.87F222DB@black-hole.com> <20010205205234.B6655@minime.sistina.com> <01020609443402.05094@Homer> <20010206113329.A2150@minime.sistina.com> <3A80391F.A610694D@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20010206121833.A531@minime.sistina.com> On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 11:49:19AM -0600, Clay Fandre wrote: > >What?!?! No debian? Are you an IDIOT??? (Oh yea. Nevermind.) o.k. in order: Yes, I still use debian on some stuff. But it's easier to install freebsd when the only media you can use is USB floppy. I was not about to stoop to using RedHat. Yes, I am :-) -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) _.._..,_,_ ( ) ]~,"-.-~~[ .=])' (; ([ [ ]:: ' [ '=]): .) ([ |:: ' | ~~----~~ mmmm.....beer -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I f you're needing CDs I'm sure we > could set you up... > > Also, are you running xterm or running it from a > menu? Does redhat still > do that weird nxterm thing?... > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From clay at fandre.com Tue Feb 6 13:30:05 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problems with xterm in RedHat 6.1 References: <20010206190410.41194.qmail@web9615.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3A8050BD.65E14B34@fandre.com> Scott Dagastino wrote: > > I have noticed too many buggy features (out of the > box) with RH 6.2 and 7.0. If I need an updated kernel > or kde/gnome, I will download them and build it. At > least I know that 6.1 is pretty stable I disagree. From my experiences 6.2 is much more stable than 6.2. I've been running it on a few systems now since it came out with zero problems. Dot 2 releases or RH are always the most stable. Then again, I switched to debian a few months ago, so what do I know. From clay at fandre.com Tue Feb 6 13:35:16 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problems with xterm in RedHat 6.1 References: <20010206190410.41194.qmail@web9615.mail.yahoo.com> <3A8050BD.65E14B34@fandre.com> Message-ID: <3A8051F4.53B36471@fandre.com> Clay Fandre wrote: > > I disagree. From my experiences 6.2 is much more stable than 6.2. And I am more retarded than I am. From esper at sherohman.org Tue Feb 6 13:35:40 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problems with xterm in RedHat 6.1 In-Reply-To: <3A8050BD.65E14B34@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 01:30:05PM -0600 References: <20010206190410.41194.qmail@web9615.mail.yahoo.com> <3A8050BD.65E14B34@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20010206133540.F22440@sherohman.org> On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 01:30:05PM -0600, Clay Fandre wrote: > Then again, I switched to debian a few months ago, so what do I know. ...and another has succumbed to the swirly side of the Force. -- SGI products are used to create the 'Bugs' that entertain us in theatres and at home. - SGI job posting Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Feb 6 13:54:45 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problems with xterm in RedHat 6.1 In-Reply-To: <20010206190410.41194.qmail@web9615.mail.yahoo.com>; from scottdagastino@yahoo.com on Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 11:04:10AM -0800 References: <20010206190410.41194.qmail@web9615.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20010206135445.E531@minime.sistina.com> On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 11:04:10AM -0800, Scott Dagastino wrote: >I have noticed too many buggy features (out of the >box) with RH 6.2 and 7.0. If I need an updated kernel >or kde/gnome, I will download them and build it. At >least I know that 6.1 is pretty stable RedHat's kernel is more like a forked version of the code than it is a linus kernel. They add about 50 patches and still call it 2.2.18 (or whatever) when in all actuallity it has most of the functionallity of a 2.4 kernel. Problem is for developers who are hacknig in kernel space (like sistina) we are forced to tell people that we only support stock kernels from an official kernel mirror. As far as distros are concerened I am about fed up with them all, I am anxiously awaiting slack 7.2, debian's developers are making a nasty habit of screwing things up lately and I am tired of dealing with it. hence the recent convert to freebsd (which is very slick) >--- Yaron wrote: >> Hi, >> >> On Tue, 6 Feb 2001, Clay Fandre wrote: >> >> > > I have recently installed Redhat Linux 6.1 out >> of the >> > (Ben would say) Install Debian. >> >> >> (Yaron would say, or in fact, IS saying) Why Red Hat >> 6.1? I know some >> people have problems with Red Hat 7.0 (I >> didn't/don't) but at least put >> 6.2 on there? I f you're needing CDs I'm sure we >> could set you up... >> >> Also, are you running xterm or running it from a >> menu? Does redhat still >> do that weird nxterm thing?... >> >> -Yaron >> >> -- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> tclug-list mailing list >> tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) _.._..,_,_ ( ) ]~,"-.-~~[ .=])' (; ([ [ ]:: ' [ '=]): .) ([ |:: ' | ~~----~~ mmmm.....beer -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I've never used lprng, but I'm willing to give it a try if it will give me more than 1 remote printer and filtering at the same time! Thanks for the advice. - Thomas From barnabas at knicknack.net Tue Feb 6 14:32:07 2001 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problems with xterm in RedHat 6.1 In-Reply-To: <20010206135445.E531@minime.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 01:54:45PM -0600 References: <20010206190410.41194.qmail@web9615.mail.yahoo.com> <20010206135445.E531@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010206143207.A1885@knicknack.net> OK, we're on to you now. What did you do with the real (idiot) Ben? Eric On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 01:54:45PM -0600, Ben Lutgens wrote: > > > As far as distros are concerened I am about fed up with them all, I am > anxiously awaiting slack 7.2, debian's developers are making a nasty habit of > screwing things up lately and I am tired of dealing with it. > > hence the recent convert to freebsd (which is very slick) > From thouck at thouck.com Tue Feb 6 14:47:20 2001 From: thouck at thouck.com (thouck@thouck.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ultimate 386 Linux notebook ;) In-Reply-To: <01020609443402.05094@Homer> Message-ID: <200102062036.MAA20208@pine.he.net> I'm interested in the laptop, but won't mention a dollar value right now. I gotta do some research first. :) If you don't get any decent offers, keep me in mind. Tim On 6 Feb, Bill Layer had this nonsense to say: > The machine has Slackware 7.0 (kernel 2.4.0), and is configued to use all of > the hardware I mentioned. X is installed and runs fine (but slowly..) 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I killed him, he's decomposing in my trunk :-) > >Eric > >On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 01:54:45PM -0600, Ben Lutgens wrote: >> >> >> As far as distros are concerened I am about fed up with them all, I am >> anxiously awaiting slack 7.2, debian's developers are making a nasty habit of >> screwing things up lately and I am tired of dealing with it. >> >> hence the recent convert to freebsd (which is very slick) >> >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) _.._..,_,_ ( ) ]~,"-.-~~[ .=])' (; ([ [ ]:: ' [ '=]): .) ([ |:: ' | ~~----~~ mmmm.....beer -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Any suggestions on a tight, fast OS to accomodate my needs? -Brian From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Tue Feb 6 16:25:19 2001 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Distro madness In-Reply-To: ; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 04:07:06PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20010206162519.B89652@sorry.cs.umn.edu> You'll be _really_ lucky to get Linux in a useable state with only 4 MB of RAM and on a 60 MB harddrive. Older version of Slackware (<= 3.4, maybe), _might_ fit, but the install will be a bitch. The problem with going with an old version is that laptop support will suck. You're right, the real solution is upgrade your laptop. Unfortunately, I'd say it's most likely your only solution. But.. I've been called a pessimist. Good luck. Gabe On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 04:07:06PM -0600, Brian wrote: > I'm not looking to start a war here but I'm looking for comments / > suggestions on a good distro. I've got a 386 laptop with 4 MB RAM and a 60 > MB hard drive. The real solution here would be "upgrade your laptop", > but this is what I have. My primary use for this machine is Cisco work. I > basically need a laptop that has VT100 terminal emulation (minicom is > nice), dialup, and ethernet capability. I need something light, fast, and > stable as my laptop is none of these. I've been born and raised on Redhat > but dabbled with Debian. Slack is beyond my understanding. FreeBSD is > just plain obscure. Any suggestions on a tight, fast OS to accomodate my > needs? > > -Brian > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Get out of my trash! I'm telling you for the last time! A man works hard for his filth, just to have vagrants steal it. It's a cryin' shame." - George Liquor in "The Boy Who Cried Rat!" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tim at tneu.visi.com Tue Feb 6 16:28:16 2001 From: tim at tneu.visi.com (tim) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Distro madness In-Reply-To: <20010206162519.B89652@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: > > just plain obscure. Any suggestions on a tight, fast OS to accomodate my > > needs? Minix would run great on a machine like that. (it even runs on a 286). Unfortunately, there are not very many applications for minix, and the installation is primarily manual. I also believe (last I checked), it is not free. I hate to say it, but you might be best off using DOS. Being a responsible Linux geek also requires admiting areas where Linux probably wouldn't be so hot... DOS is the only thing old enough to fit confortably inside of 60MB, and there is no shortage of applications available for it. (I guess there's even a DOS web browser now! Who knew!) Not that Linux couldn't fit - just that it wouldn't be very fun with less than 60MB of applications... -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- What the president of the Motion Picture Association of America says about taking away your constitutional rights: "I'm rather jubilant now. What Judge Kaplan did was blow away every one of these brittle and fragile rebuttals. He threw out fair use; he threw out reverse engineering; he threw out linking." - Jack Valenti, president of the Motion Picture Association of America. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ______ _ __ "If you don't have the freedom to use what you / ' ) ) own - then you do not own anything." / o ______ / / _ . . No apologies to Jack Valenti or the MPAA / <_/ / / < / (_; from tim@tneu.visi.com on Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 04:28:16PM -0600 References: <20010206162519.B89652@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010206165926.C89652@sorry.cs.umn.edu> > > Minix would run great on a machine like that. (it even runs on a 286). Actually, Minix will run on an XT with only 640k of memory... > > Unfortunately, there are not very many applications for minix, and the > installation is primarily manual. The only problem I can see if he ran Minix on it, is lack of ethernet support. Minix only supports a handfull of ethernet cards, none of them PCMCIA, that I know of. One could check the hardware compat list to be sure. > I also believe (last I checked), it is not free. It's probably been a while since you last checked. Minix was re-released under the BSD license about a year ago. > I hate to say it, but you might be best off using DOS. Being a > responsible Linux geek also requires admiting areas where Linux > probably wouldn't be so hot... I have to agree here. If you can get DOS to see your ethernet card, you'd pretty much be set. There's probably even an ssh port :) Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Get out of my trash! I'm telling you for the last time! A man works hard for his filth, just to have vagrants steal it. It's a cryin' shame." - George Liquor in "The Boy Who Cried Rat!" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Feb 6 17:40:17 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Distro madness In-Reply-To: ; from tim@tneu.visi.com on Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 04:28:16PM -0600 References: <20010206162519.B89652@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010206174017.C3841@minime.sistina.com> On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 04:28:16PM -0600, tim wrote: >Not that Linux couldn't fit - just that it wouldn't be very fun with less >than 60MB of applications... > I think it's be quite fun. All you'd need was a few console apps and such. and install no docs or manpages and you are golden. Text only is your friend. a true hacker box. If you wanted and it had a cdrom, you could run from a live CD and only store certain stuff on the disk. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) _.._..,_,_ ( ) ]~,"-.-~~[ .=])' (; ([ [ ]:: ' [ '=]): .) ([ |:: ' | ~~----~~ mmmm.....beer -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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RedHat must have done something right. :) Actually i believe RH will run xprobeonly and then pick the right card, if it's 4.0.2 they can run XFree86 -configure and X will work fine. > >-- >Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com >LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 >21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 >Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) _.._..,_,_ ( ) ]~,"-.-~~[ .=])' (; ([ [ ]:: ' [ '=]): .) ([ |:: ' | ~~----~~ mmmm.....beer -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Feb 6 19:39:58 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problems with xterm in RedHat 6.1 In-Reply-To: <3A8051F4.53B36471@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 01:35:16PM -0600 References: <20010206190410.41194.qmail@web9615.mail.yahoo.com> <3A8050BD.65E14B34@fandre.com> <3A8051F4.53B36471@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20010206193958.A5316@minime.sistina.com> On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 01:35:16PM -0600, Clay Fandre wrote: >Clay Fandre wrote: >> >> I disagree. From my experiences 6.2 is much more stable than 6.2. > >And I am more retarded than I am. You idiot! hehe, tag you're it. >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) _.._..,_,_ ( ) ]~,"-.-~~[ .=])' (; ([ [ ]:: ' [ '=]): .) ([ |:: ' | ~~----~~ mmmm.....beer -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010206/4d264a8e/attachment.pgp From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Feb 6 19:40:56 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UltraSparc 2's In-Reply-To: <200102070101.f1711Zo05946@destef.com>; from destef@destef.com on Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 07:01:50PM -0600 References: <200102070101.f1711Zo05946@destef.com> Message-ID: <20010206194056.B5316@minime.sistina.com> On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 07:01:50PM -0600, Jason DeStefano wrote: >I have a couple of UltraSparc 2's with 21inch monitors at >work that might need a new home. I dont have the specs yet >and was wondering if there is enough interest from anyone >for me to dig them out of the closet and see if my mgr will >part with them. Would probably come with some software >I think. > >Any interest? Yes, hopefully I'll have some cash once I get my car out of the shop..... :-) > > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) _.._..,_,_ ( ) ]~,"-.-~~[ .=])' (; ([ [ ]:: ' [ '=]): .) ([ |:: ' | ~~----~~ mmmm.....beer -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010206/7b6a9d4d/attachment.pgp From clay at fandre.com Tue Feb 6 21:25:22 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UltraSparc 2's References: <200102070101.f1711Zo05946@destef.com> Message-ID: <3A80C022.DD7AD529@fandre.com> I have plenty of room in my closet^H^H^H^H^H^Hcomputer room for an Ultra2. Let me know where I can pick one up. Jason DeStefano wrote: > > I have a couple of UltraSparc 2's with 21inch monitors at > work that might need a new home. I dont have the specs yet > and was wondering if there is enough interest from anyone > for me to dig them out of the closet and see if my mgr will > part with them. Would probably come with some software > I think. > > Any interest? > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sraun at fireopal.org Tue Feb 6 22:01:59 2001 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help! Mailman on Debian Message-ID: <20010206220159.B22519@iaxs.net> I've got something seriously - but probably fairly basic - wrong. Two symptoms - first, the mailman.jpg isn't displaying. Second, I'm not getting replies to 'confirm subscription' messages processed. I've read the README.Debian - re: the jpg, it says 'put is somewhere apache can see it, and modify mm_cfg.py'. I did that - it still doesn't work. I am using exim. There's a comment in README.Debian about "user=list in system_aliases director." Huh? I don't know what this means, and I'm not certain where to start. Any pointers? -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From sgrobe at mn.rr.com Tue Feb 6 22:20:31 2001 From: sgrobe at mn.rr.com (steve) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake 7.2 and AWE 64 Message-ID: <3A80CD0F.BF4E27A5@mn.rr.com> Hi guys, A newbie here. Does anyone else have trouble getting an AWE 64 card to work with Mandrake 7.2? I can get it to work if I run sndconfig at a command prompt after I boot but it quits working as soon as I reboot. If I configure it via DrakeConf it takes about 5 minutes to find it and once again it only works until I reboot. I had to install Mandrake/QNX with the BIOS set to PNP OS yes to get it to work at all otherwise nothing at all. After install I set the BIOS PNP back to "no" or it doesn't work either I suppose I could try setting all of the IRQs manually via the BIOS but then I would risk the card not working in Winders2K, BeOS and QNX RTP (QNX has been a problem also). I am new to Linux and don't even know where to start here. I checked the /etc/modules.conf and the settings seem to be the same if it is working or not so I am guessing there is somewhere else I need to be looking to solve this. If someone could point me to the files I need to modify, to get this to work without having to run sndconfig each time I reboot it would be worth a few beers, or maybe a burger at the Water Tower for those of you who don't drink. (Beers and burgers at the Water Tower both rock by the way.) System: Abit BP6 with dual Celery 400's (I went with Mandrake because it sets up a SMP kernel automagiclly) 288MB RAM 3com 905 NIC SB AWE 64 ISA PNP - I am considering a SB Live with all the trouble I am having. $60 bucks at Nanosys. www.nanosys1.com 30G WD hard drive with Win2K, BeOS, Mandrake Linux, and QNX RTP. Viper 550 video. Using Bootman on BeOS as a bootloader. I am lost here, any help you can offer? SG, o.S.D. -- When you consider who I am, I am doing pretty good. From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Feb 6 22:30:22 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BIND 8.2.3? Message-ID: Hi, Anyone having... weird problems with bind 8.2.3? I upgraded to it (from 8.2.2_pl5) about a week and a bit ago, and today I've been told I'm _hijacking_ domains I'm doing secondary DNS for! Some when I'm even not LISTED as secondary for the domain, are STILL being pointed to MY primary IP address for NO reason! This is RPM bind and self-built bind... Anyone? -Yaron -- From andy at theasis.com Tue Feb 6 22:49:41 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake 7.2 and AWE 64 In-Reply-To: <3A80CD0F.BF4E27A5@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: > Hi guys, > A newbie here. Does anyone else have trouble getting an AWE 64 card to > work with Mandrake 7.2? I can get it to work if I run sndconfig at a > command prompt after I boot but it quits working as soon as I reboot. AWE64 is ISA, PNP. When I was using mine, I used isapnp, via isapnp.conf, which I set up via isapnptools. This was some years ago, but that still may be the answer. Does Mandrake ship with those? Another possibility is to consider the alsa-driver, http://www.alsa-project.org/ Andy > SG, o.S.D. > > > From sgrobe at mn.rr.com Tue Feb 6 23:09:32 2001 From: sgrobe at mn.rr.com (steve) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake 7.2 and AWE 64 References: Message-ID: <3A80D88C.E131EA58@mn.rr.com> andy@theasis.com wrote: > > > Hi guys, > > A newbie here. Does anyone else have trouble getting an AWE 64 card to > > work with Mandrake 7.2? I can get it to work if I run sndconfig at a > > command prompt after I boot but it quits working as soon as I reboot. > > AWE64 is ISA, PNP. > When I was using mine, I used isapnp, via isapnp.conf, which I set up via > isapnptools. > > This was some years ago, but that still may be the answer. Does Mandrake > ship with those? > > Another possibility is to consider the alsa-driver, > http://www.alsa-project.org/ > > Andy > > > SG, o.S.D. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list Andy, /etc/isapnp.conf is there but I will need some time to wade through it, it seems that just about everything is FATAL which can't be good.:-( Thanks. One more place to look. SG, O.S.D. -- When you consider who I am, I am doing pretty good. From tobytoo at black-hole.com Tue Feb 6 23:43:46 2001 From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (b. toberman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UltraSparc 2's References: <200102070101.f1711Zo05946@destef.com> Message-ID: <3A80E092.9F1DC796@black-hole.com> Heck Yeah I'm interested Jason DeStefano wrote: > I have a couple of UltraSparc 2's with 21inch monitors at > work that might need a new home. I dont have the specs yet > and was wondering if there is enough interest from anyone > for me to dig them out of the closet and see if my mgr will > part with them. Would probably come with some software > I think. > > Any interest? > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From esper at sherohman.org Wed Feb 7 00:10:19 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help! Mailman on Debian In-Reply-To: <20010206220159.B22519@iaxs.net>; from sraun@fireopal.org on Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 10:01:59PM -0600 References: <20010206220159.B22519@iaxs.net> Message-ID: <20010207001019.A25846@sherohman.org> On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 10:01:59PM -0600, Scott Raun wrote: > I've read the README.Debian - re: the jpg, it says 'put is somewhere >apache can see it, and modify mm_cfg.py'. I did that - it still doesn't >work. (Please wrap your text at <80 columns.) I dealt with that by creating a symlink named 'mailman' in /usr/share/apache/images/ which points at /usr/doc/mailman/images/. This way, the existing links to http://host/images/mailman/* work as-is. > I am using exim. There's a comment in README.Debian about > > "user=list in system_aliases director." > > Huh? I don't know what this means, and I'm not certain where to start. Any >pointers? Bring up exim.conf in your editor of choice and do a search for "system_aliases". At the end of the block, you should see # user = list # Uncomment the above line if you are running smartlist Uncomment the "user = list" line. (If it's not there, add it.) -- SGI products are used to create the 'Bugs' that entertain us in theatres and at home. - SGI job posting Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From kbullock at ringworld.org Wed Feb 7 00:16:55 2001 From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin R. Bullock) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UltraSparc 2's In-Reply-To: <200102070101.f1711Zo05946@destef.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 6 Feb 2001, Jason DeStefano wrote: > I have a couple of UltraSparc 2's with 21inch monitors at > work that might need a new home. I dont have the specs yet > and was wondering if there is enough interest from anyone > for me to dig them out of the closet and see if my mgr will > part with them. Would probably come with some software > I think. > > Any interest? If the price is right, I'm definitely interested. I've been meaning to get a Sun box to play with. *runs off to do some price research* Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa Kevin R. Bullock From sraun at fireopal.org Wed Feb 7 06:41:28 2001 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help! Mailman on Debian In-Reply-To: <20010207001019.A25846@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 12:10:19AM -0600 References: <20010206220159.B22519@iaxs.net> <20010207001019.A25846@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20010207064128.A24032@iaxs.net> On Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 12:10:19AM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 10:01:59PM -0600, Scott Raun wrote: > > I've read the README.Debian - re: the jpg, it says 'put is somewhere > >apache can see it, and modify mm_cfg.py'. I did that - it still doesn't > >work. > > (Please wrap your text at <80 columns.) I'm still researching that one - I'm slowly learning emacs, and haven't quite gotten that far yet. But it's on the list! > I dealt with that by creating a symlink named 'mailman' in > /usr/share/apache/images/ which points at /usr/doc/mailman/images/. This > way, the existing links to http://host/images/mailman/* work as-is. > > > I am using exim. There's a comment in README.Debian about > > > > "user=list in system_aliases director." > > > > Huh? I don't know what this means, and I'm not certain where to start. Any > >pointers? > > Bring up exim.conf in your editor of choice and do a search for > "system_aliases". At the end of the block, you should see > > # user = list > # Uncomment the above line if you are running smartlist > > Uncomment the "user = list" line. (If it's not there, add it.) Thanks! -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From clay at fandre.com Wed Feb 7 07:01:02 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help! Mailman on Debian References: <20010206220159.B22519@iaxs.net> <20010207001019.A25846@sherohman.org> <20010207064128.A24032@iaxs.net> Message-ID: <3A81470E.3BD19E68@fandre.com> Scott Raun wrote: > > > > > (Please wrap your text at <80 columns.) > > I'm still researching that one - I'm slowly learning emacs, and haven't > quite gotten that far yet. But it's on the list! I'm sorry to hear that. Although from what I hear, emacs is a nice operating system. From barnabas at knicknack.net Wed Feb 7 07:07:29 2001 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help! Mailman on Debian In-Reply-To: <20010207064128.A24032@iaxs.net>; from sraun@fireopal.org on Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 06:41:28AM -0600 References: <20010206220159.B22519@iaxs.net> <20010207001019.A25846@sherohman.org> <20010207064128.A24032@iaxs.net> Message-ID: <20010207070729.A4037@knicknack.net> On Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 06:41:28AM -0600, Scott Raun wrote: > On Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 12:10:19AM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 10:01:59PM -0600, Scott Raun wrote: > > > I've read the README.Debian - re: the jpg, it says 'put is somewhere > > >apache can see it, and modify mm_cfg.py'. I did that - it still doesn't > > >work. > > > > (Please wrap your text at <80 columns.) > > I'm still researching that one - I'm slowly learning emacs, and haven't > quite gotten that far yet. But it's on the list! > Meta-q From Troy.Johnson at health.state.mn.us Wed Feb 7 07:13:46 2001 From: Troy.Johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UltraSparc 2's Message-ID: I might be interested also, but I am but a poor church mouse, so price is also _the_ issue for me. >>> destef@destef.com 02/06/01 07:01PM >>> I have a couple of UltraSparc 2's with 21inch monitors at work that might need a new home. P.S. - I'm using GroupWise to write this. Is it as irritating to read as email that is produced by Outlook (default html, no line wrapping, ...)? I'm also reading it through GroupWise so I might not be able to tell. :-/ From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Wed Feb 7 07:46:20 2001 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake 7.2 and AWE 64 In-Reply-To: <3A80CD0F.BF4E27A5@mn.rr.com>; from sgrobe@mn.rr.com on Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 10:20:31PM -0600 References: <3A80CD0F.BF4E27A5@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <20010207074620.A92051@sorry.cs.umn.edu> What kind of AWE 64? I have an AWE 64 Gold (with the RCA outs) and I've never, ever gotten it to work in Linux (or any *BSD, for that matter). I don't know what it is about the card - some weird chip on it or something. I can get my AWE 64 Value to work just fine, but the Gold is a no-go. Gabe On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 10:20:31PM -0600, steve wrote: > Hi guys, > A newbie here. Does anyone else have trouble getting an AWE 64 card to > work with Mandrake 7.2? I can get it to work if I run sndconfig at a > command prompt after I boot but it quits working as soon as I reboot. > If I configure it via DrakeConf it takes about 5 minutes to find it and > once again it only works until I reboot. I had to install Mandrake/QNX > with the BIOS set to PNP OS yes to get it to work at all otherwise > nothing at all. After install I set the BIOS PNP back to "no" or it > doesn't work either > -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "My collection of rare, eencurebale diseases! Violated!" - Ren Hoek in "Sven Hoek" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ben at nerp.net Wed Feb 7 08:05:40 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BIND 8.2.3? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I had bind blowup on a domain where i had a subdomain pointed to another host, it didn't like the syntax I was using. 8.2.3 might be sending out NOTIFY messages, which could be doing it.. I'd have to see you're configs to say anything else Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Tue, 6 Feb 2001, Yaron wrote: > Hi, > > Anyone having... weird problems with bind 8.2.3? I upgraded to it (from > 8.2.2_pl5) about a week and a bit ago, and today I've been told I'm > _hijacking_ domains I'm doing secondary DNS for! Some when I'm even not > LISTED as secondary for the domain, are STILL being pointed to MY primary > IP address for NO reason! > > This is RPM bind and self-built bind... > > Anyone? > > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Feb 7 08:38:28 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help! Mailman on Debian In-Reply-To: <3A81470E.3BD19E68@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 07:01:02AM -0600 References: <20010206220159.B22519@iaxs.net> <20010207001019.A25846@sherohman.org> <20010207064128.A24032@iaxs.net> <3A81470E.3BD19E68@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20010207083828.A88355@minime.sistina.com> On Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 07:01:02AM -0600, Clay Fandre wrote: >Scott Raun wrote: >> >> > >> > (Please wrap your text at <80 columns.) >> >> I'm still researching that one - I'm slowly learning emacs, and haven't >> quite gotten that far yet. But it's on the list! > >I'm sorry to hear that. Although from what I hear, emacs is a nice >operating system. > Yeah, too bad it lacks a decent editor. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) _.._..,_,_ ( ) ]~,"-.-~~[ .=])' (; ([ [ ]:: ' [ '=]): .) ([ |:: ' | ~~----~~ mmmm.....beer -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010207/14b70e18/attachment.pgp From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Wed Feb 7 08:45:27 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Distro madness In-Reply-To: <20010206162519.B89652@sorry.cs.umn.edu>; from dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu on Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 04:25:19PM -0600 References: <20010206162519.B89652@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010207084527.C7149@pchelka.space.umn.edu> > On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 04:07:06PM -0600, Brian wrote: > I'm not looking to start a war here but I'm looking for comments / > suggestions on a good distro. I've got a 386 laptop with 4 MB RAM and a 60 > MB hard drive. The real solution here would be "upgrade your laptop", > but this is what I have. My primary use for this machine is Cisco work. I > basically need a laptop that has VT100 terminal emulation (minicom is > nice), dialup, and ethernet capability. I need something light, fast, and > stable as my laptop is none of these. I've been born and raised on Redhat > but dabbled with Debian. Slack is beyond my understanding. FreeBSD is > just plain obscure. Any suggestions on a tight, fast OS to accomodate my > needs? > You might want to try one of the "mini-distributions". I haven't played with many of them, but there are several really small distributions out there. The only one I've really played with is Tom's Root Boot . The whole thing fits on one floppy and has most of the stuff you wanted. A better option might be to go with an old version of Debian. I'd probably try either Hamm (2.0) or Bo (1.3.1). (Browing the Bo installation manual it says you need 4 MB of RAM and 40 MB of disk, so you might want to start there.) You can find them at ftp://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/, or if you want to wait till the next meeting someone would probably loan you their old CDs (I would if I ever made it to meeetings ;) ). Anyway, I think that you could fit a workable system into your contraints, but you'd have to trim off a lot of packages that Debian wants to install by default. X (obviously), TeTeX, emacs, Perl, and all of those compiler and development packages. Anyway, that's what I'd try. Jim -- Jim Crumley | crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | From sgrobe at mn.rr.com Wed Feb 7 09:01:11 2001 From: sgrobe at mn.rr.com (steve) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake 7.2 and AWE 64 References: <3A80CD0F.BF4E27A5@mn.rr.com> <20010207074620.A92051@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3A816337.8BF4FB42@mn.rr.com> I think it's an AWE 64 Value, it doesn't have the RCA outputs. "University of Minnesohta" ya, you betcha. dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > > What kind of AWE 64? I have an AWE 64 Gold (with the RCA outs) and I've > never, ever gotten it to work in Linux (or any *BSD, for that matter). I > don't know what it is about the card - some weird chip on it or something. > I can get my AWE 64 Value to work just fine, but the Gold is a no-go. > > Gabe > > On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 10:20:31PM -0600, steve wrote: > > Hi guys, > > A newbie here. Does anyone else have trouble getting an AWE 64 card to > > work with Mandrake 7.2? I can get it to work if I run sndconfig at a > > command prompt after I boot but it quits working as soon as I reboot. > > If I configure it via DrakeConf it takes about 5 minutes to find it and > > once again it only works until I reboot. I had to install Mandrake/QNX > > with the BIOS set to PNP OS yes to get it to work at all otherwise > > nothing at all. After install I set the BIOS PNP back to "no" or it > > doesn't work either > > > > -- > -- When you consider who I am, I am doing pretty good. From peter at math.umn.edu Wed Feb 7 09:26:24 2001 From: peter at math.umn.edu (Peter Lukas) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tcp connections not closing properly In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10938E@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: Upgrade to a *BSD. Peter Lukas On Tue, 30 Jan 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > I have a box that is not properly closing out it's tcp connections. If I do > a netstat --inet, it comes up with over 1700 connections in the state CLOSE. > lsof shows all of these using up my file handles, and I am having trouble > starting new processes on the box so I have to reboot it. > > Does anyone know how I can fix this? I have 2 machines which are identical > to this one and they don't have any problems. > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From zibby at ringworld.org Wed Feb 7 09:31:58 2001 From: zibby at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake 7.2 and AWE 64 In-Reply-To: <3A816337.8BF4FB42@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: Here's all that I remember, in theory this should be all the right settings... Note that I'm giving you the configs because: I'm feeling generous I happend to have them all handy and finially, I can't find the HOWTO I used to get this all working in the first place. So enjoy the freebie but remember it's probally in your best interest to figure out how to do this on your own. :) this is all the lines uncommented in my /etc/isapnp.conf: (READPORT 0x0273) (ISOLATE PRESERVE) (IDENTIFY *) (VERBOSITY 2) (CONFLICT (IO FATAL)(IRQ FATAL)(DMA FATAL)(MEM FATAL)) # or WARNING (CONFIGURE CTL00e4/527652465 (LD 0 (INT 0 (IRQ 5 (MODE +E))) (DMA 0 (CHANNEL 1)) (DMA 1 (CHANNEL 7)) (IO 0 (SIZE 16) (BASE 0x0220)) (IO 1 (SIZE 2) (BASE 0x0330)) (IO 2 (SIZE 4) (BASE 0x0388)) (NAME "CTL00e4/527652465[0]{Audio }") (ACT Y) )) (CONFIGURE CTL00e4/527652465 (LD 1 (IO 0 (SIZE 8) (BASE 0x0200)) (NAME "CTL00e4/527652465[1]{Game }") (ACT Y) )) (CONFIGURE CTL00e4/527652465 (LD 2 (IO 0 (SIZE 4) (BASE 0x0620)) # PNPDUMP doesn't detect IO 1 and IO 2 # so you have to add them manually (IO 1 (SIZE 4) (BASE 0x0a20)) (IO 2 (SIZE 4) (BASE 0x0e20)) (NAME "CTL00e4/527652465[2]{WaveTable }") (ACT Y) )) NOTE!: The IO 1 and IO 2 lines are not properly detected by a pnpdump, and thus you have to add them manually IF you want MIDI. You'll also have to get the sfxload utility to load the sound fonts. (Simple as /usr/bin/sfxload /usr/src/awedrv/SYNTHGS.SBK) the SBK file should be on your Windows driver CD. I probally have it around yet if you can't find it. After the card successfully plugs and plays you'll need to configure the modules. If your system uses modutils: cd /etc/modutils touch awe64 Edit awe64 to look like this: alias net-pf-4 off alias net-pf-5 off alias char-major-14 sb alias synth0 awe_wave alias char-major-14-1 opl3 options sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1 dma16=7 options opl3 io=0x388 then run update-modules && depmod -a If your system doesn't use modutils, you have to edit /etc/conf.modules or /etc/modules.conf and add the above lines, then depmod. You should be good to go with sound. Man, PCI sound cards sure are nice. modprobe emu10k1 and off you go.... | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | | This message is protected by double ROT13 | | encryption. Any attempt to circumvent the | | digital protection is banned by the DMCA. | From clay at fandre.com Wed Feb 7 10:05:09 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tcp connections not closing properly References: Message-ID: <3A817235.ACCE7BF0@fandre.com> Peter Lukas wrote: > > Upgrade to a *BSD. > OK guys. There's a lot of talk about switching to *BSD. Should we make this a *BSD mailing list? http://www.mn-linux.org/sympoll/polllist.php3?mypollid=6 From BTimm at Interelate.com Wed Feb 7 10:13:32 2001 From: BTimm at Interelate.com (Brad Timm) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tcp connections not closing properly Message-ID: <394E263D7458ED4F91DA2A3066B8C18DB0A7D3@MSP-MAIL01.IR> I vote for a BeOs mailing list..... Or maybe Amiga OS... But to clay's comment, I like to see the open albeit biased discussions here. -----Original Message----- From: Clay Fandre [mailto:clay@fandre.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 10:05 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] tcp connections not closing properly Peter Lukas wrote: > > Upgrade to a *BSD. > OK guys. There's a lot of talk about switching to *BSD. Should we make this a *BSD mailing list? http://www.mn-linux.org/sympoll/polllist.php3?mypollid=6 _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kbullock at ringworld.org Wed Feb 7 10:54:27 2001 From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin R. Bullock) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help! Mailman on Debian In-Reply-To: <20010207064128.A24032@iaxs.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, Scott Raun wrote: > On Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 12:10:19AM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 10:01:59PM -0600, Scott Raun wrote: > > (Please wrap your text at <80 columns.) > I'm still researching that one - I'm slowly learning emacs, and haven't > quite gotten that far yet. But it's on the list! C-u 7 2 C-x f M-q Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa Kevin R. Bullock From goldman at htc.honeywell.com Wed Feb 7 11:01:30 2001 From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Distro madness In-Reply-To: References: <20010206162519.B89652@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <14977.32618.800038.281610@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> >>>>> "t" == tim writes: >> Any suggestions on a tight, fast OS to >> accomodate my needs? t> DOS is the only thing old enough to fit confortably inside of t> 60MB, and there is no shortage of applications available for t> it. (I guess there's even a DOS web browser now! Who knew!) Of course, for the true Open Source fanatic, there's always FreeDOS.... R From peter at math.umn.edu Wed Feb 7 11:02:54 2001 From: peter at math.umn.edu (Peter Lukas) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tcp connections not closing properly In-Reply-To: <3A817235.ACCE7BF0@fandre.com> Message-ID: How about an open-systems discussion list? Peter Lukas On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, Clay Fandre wrote: > Peter Lukas wrote: > > > > Upgrade to a *BSD. > > > > OK guys. There's a lot of talk about switching to *BSD. Should we make > this a *BSD mailing list? > > http://www.mn-linux.org/sympoll/polllist.php3?mypollid=6 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From andy at theasis.com Wed Feb 7 11:03:14 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Emacs and columns. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > > (Please wrap your text at <80 columns.) > > I'm still researching that one - I'm slowly learning emacs, and haven't > > quite gotten that far yet. But it's on the list! > My usual method is to just use emacs in X, in Text Fill mode, and size the window width accordingly. > C-u 7 2 C-x f M-q Fancy. How do you set it in the .emacs file? Andy From andyzb at ltiflex.com Wed Feb 7 11:07:33 2001 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Distro madness References: <20010206162519.B89652@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <20010207084527.C7149@pchelka.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3A8180D5.24237C69@ltiflex.com> > ftp://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/, or if you want to wait > till the next meeting someone would probably loan you their old CDs > (I would if I ever made it to meeetings ;) ). I'd give you mine, but I don't think they survived being thrown at my roomates and neighbors while I was in the dorms. :) I did manage to cram Bo on 100mb drive for use as an Xterm, so getting down to 40mb might just be possible. (I think I had a little room left over even.) Good luck! -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: andyzb.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 367 bytes Desc: Card for Andy Zbikowski Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010207/2e5be3e1/andyzb.vcf From natecars at real-time.com Wed Feb 7 11:12:44 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BIND 8.2.3? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 6 Feb 2001, Yaron wrote: > Anyone having... weird problems with bind 8.2.3? I upgraded to it (from > 8.2.2_pl5) about a week and a bit ago, and today I've been told I'm > _hijacking_ domains I'm doing secondary DNS for! Some when I'm even not > LISTED as secondary for the domain, are STILL being pointed to MY primary > IP address for NO reason! > > This is RPM bind and self-built bind... That's not your fault. If someone is pointing their domain to your server, that's their problem. :) Here's all the domains (at network solutions) pointed at your NS: Amy Vickers (RANDOM-WORD-DOM) RANDOM-WORD.COM Hackers LTD, Israel (HACKERS-UNLIMITED3-DOM) HACKERS-UNLIMITED.COM Karny Ben-Yehuda (BLIXA3-DOM) BLIXA.ORG Scalable Solutions (SCSO-DOM) SCSO.COM Ury Segal (LINUXQA-DOM) LINUXQA.ORG Ury Segal (LINUXQA2-DOM) LINUXQA.NET Yaron Hemi (FREAKZILLA3-DOM) FREAKZILLA.COM Yaron Hemi (YARON4-DOM) YARON.ORG -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Feb 7 11:24:11 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Distro madness References: Message-ID: <3A8184BB.F7BECB1A@tc.umn.edu> Brian wrote: > > I'm not looking to start a war here but I'm looking for comments / > suggestions on a good distro. I've got a 386 laptop with 4 MB RAM and a 60 > MB hard drive. The real solution here would be "upgrade your laptop", > but this is what I have. My primary use for this machine is Cisco work. I > basically need a laptop that has VT100 terminal emulation (minicom is > nice), dialup, and ethernet capability. I need something light, fast, and > stable as my laptop is none of these. I've been born and raised on Redhat > but dabbled with Debian. Slack is beyond my understanding. FreeBSD is > just plain obscure. Any suggestions on a tight, fast OS to accomodate my > needs? There are a number of small distributions listed on this page: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/ Not all of them are small, obviously, but there are a few. Also, you might want to try modifying ZipSlack (variant of Slackware that takes up less than 100 MB) for your needs: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/slackware/zipslack/ Or, if you're bored, have some shell programming skills, and know how to use `which', `ldd', and `strip', you can roll your own (`man init' would be the place to start). Of course, considering that you only have 4MB of RAM, you might want to ditch bash as a shell and go with something a little smaller. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Eat drink and be merry, / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ for tomorrow they may \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) make it illegal. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Feb 7 12:14:55 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BIND 8.2.3? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > > This is RPM bind and self-built bind... > That's not your fault. If someone is pointing their domain to your server, > that's their problem. :) Yeah, I know that, except: (A) They're pointing to me as secondary (B) BIND is NOT GIVING THE RIGHT INFO. It's telling people that, well, for example, anything.HACKERS-UNLIMITED.COM is _my_ IP address. (C) It has hijacked domains that are NOT pointing at me, but which used to. Either way, bind9 seems to work, and the SPARCclassic I want to use for internal DNS managed to get through an install... so we'll see. -Yaron -- From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Wed Feb 7 12:26:16 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Distro madness In-Reply-To: <20010206162519.B89652@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 6 Feb 2001 dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > You'll be _really_ lucky to get Linux in a useable state with only 4 MB of > RAM and on a 60 MB harddrive. Older version of Slackware (<= 3.4, maybe), > _might_ fit, but the install will be a bitch. The problem with going with > an old version is that laptop support will suck. > > You're right, the real solution is upgrade your laptop. Unfortunately, I'd > say it's most likely your only solution. > > But.. I've been called a pessimist. One might look at the 4mb-Laptops HOWTO. It is for just this sort of thing. You won't want X For a test, try booting up tomsrtbt. The key here is the definition of "useable" state. As has been mentioned, Linux (a multi-user multitasking OS) is not really called for for your router terminal apps. Frankly, being that I hate DOS, I'd dig out some of my old CP/M stuff! Cheers, Phil M -- "He who hesitates last gets the worm" -- PM From gregory.siems at pca.state.mn.us Wed Feb 7 12:32:30 2001 From: gregory.siems at pca.state.mn.us (Siems, Gregory) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Distro madness Message-ID: http://directory.google.com/Top/Computers/Software/Operating_Systems/Linux/Distributions/Tiny_Linux/ > ---------- > From: Philip C Mendelsohn[SMTP:mend0070@tc.umn.edu] > Reply To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 12:26 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] [OT] Distro madness > > On Tue, 6 Feb 2001 dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > > > You'll be _really_ lucky to get Linux in a useable state with only 4 MB of > > RAM and on a 60 MB harddrive. Older version of Slackware (<= 3.4, maybe), > > _might_ fit, but the install will be a bitch. The problem with going with > > an old version is that laptop support will suck. > > > > You're right, the real solution is upgrade your laptop. Unfortunately, I'd > > say it's most likely your only solution. > > > > But.. I've been called a pessimist. > > One might look at the 4mb-Laptops HOWTO. It is for just this sort of > thing. You won't want X For a test, try booting up tomsrtbt. The key > here is the definition of "useable" state. > > As has been mentioned, Linux (a multi-user multitasking OS) is not really > called for for your router terminal apps. Frankly, being that I hate DOS, > I'd dig out some of my old CP/M stuff! > > Cheers, > Phil M > > -- > "He who hesitates last gets the worm" -- PM > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From goldman at htc.honeywell.com Wed Feb 7 12:33:03 2001 From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Emacs and columns. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <14977.38111.231323.110378@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> >>>>> "a" == andy writes: >> > > (Please wrap your text at <80 columns.) > I'm still >> researching that one - I'm slowly learning emacs, and haven't > >> quite gotten that far yet. But it's on the list! >> a> My usual method is to just use emacs in X, in Text Fill mode, a> and size the window width accordingly. >> C-u 7 2 C-x f M-q a> Fancy. How do you set it in the .emacs file? a> Andy (set-fill-column 72) Probably you want to do something like (add-hook 'mail-mode-hook (function (lambda () (set-fill-column 72)))) or in whatever mode you use to edit your outgoing mail. From ben at nerp.net Wed Feb 7 12:43:21 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BIND 8.2.3? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: what is the whois syntax you did to get that list? Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Tue, 6 Feb 2001, Yaron wrote: > > Anyone having... weird problems with bind 8.2.3? I upgraded to it (from > > 8.2.2_pl5) about a week and a bit ago, and today I've been told I'm > > _hijacking_ domains I'm doing secondary DNS for! Some when I'm even not > > LISTED as secondary for the domain, are STILL being pointed to MY primary > > IP address for NO reason! > > > > This is RPM bind and self-built bind... > > That's not your fault. If someone is pointing their domain to your server, > that's their problem. :) > > Here's all the domains (at network solutions) pointed at your NS: > > Amy Vickers (RANDOM-WORD-DOM) RANDOM-WORD.COM > Hackers LTD, Israel (HACKERS-UNLIMITED3-DOM) HACKERS-UNLIMITED.COM > Karny Ben-Yehuda (BLIXA3-DOM) BLIXA.ORG > Scalable Solutions (SCSO-DOM) SCSO.COM > Ury Segal (LINUXQA-DOM) LINUXQA.ORG > Ury Segal (LINUXQA2-DOM) LINUXQA.NET > Yaron Hemi (FREAKZILLA3-DOM) FREAKZILLA.COM > Yaron Hemi (YARON4-DOM) YARON.ORG > > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From sgrobe at mn.rr.com Wed Feb 7 12:48:41 2001 From: sgrobe at mn.rr.com (Steve Grobe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake 7.2 and AWE 64 References: Message-ID: <3A819889.24FEF09@mn.rr.com> Thanks for the help, my settings needed to be a little different then the ones you gave me but once I knew where to look I was able to fiddle with it and get it to work. Note that I'm thanking you because: I am feeling thankful that you were feeling generous. I didn't know what I was doing and you were able to help. I wasn't having much luck with HOWTOs either. I was in need of a freebie. Thanks. SG, O.S.D. "Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)" wrote: > > Here's all that I remember, in theory this should be all the right > settings... > > Note that I'm giving you the configs because: > I'm feeling generous > I happend to have them all handy > and finially, > I can't find the HOWTO I used to get this all working in the first place. > So enjoy the freebie but remember it's probally in your best interest to > figure out how to do this on your own. :) > > this is all the lines uncommented in my /etc/isapnp.conf: -- When you consider who I am, I am doing pretty good. From sraun at fireopal.org Wed Feb 7 12:52:58 2001 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help! Mailman on Debian In-Reply-To: <20010207001019.A25846@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 12:10:19AM -0600 References: <20010206220159.B22519@iaxs.net> <20010207001019.A25846@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20010207125258.A25346@iaxs.net> On Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 12:10:19AM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote: > I dealt with that by creating a symlink named 'mailman' in > /usr/share/apache/images/ which points at /usr/doc/mailman/images/. This > way, the existing links to http://host/images/mailman/* work as-is. Tried that - Still don't see any images. I've tried all of the following: DELIVERED_BY_URL = '/usr/doc/mailman/images/mailman.jpg' DELIVERED_BY_URL = '/var/www/images/mailman.jpg' DELIVERED_BY_URL = 'images/mailman.jpg' DELIVERED_BY_URL = 'mailman.jpg' There are copies of the jpg as follows: 207374 2 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2022 Nov 1 1999 \ /usr/share/doc/mailman/images/mailman.jpg 238934 29 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 28962 Jun 1 1998 \ /usr/share/doc/mailman/html/images/mailman.jpg 62804 2 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2022 Feb 6 20:48 \ /var/www/images/mailman.jpg Oh, now THAT'S interesting. Three different generations of the file? I just deleted the /var/www and replaced it with a symlink to the Nov 1, 1999 version - didn't make any difference. I'm to the point now where I'm going to go research the Debian list archives, and maybe see what I can find in the Apache docs & support. > Uncomment the "user = list" line. (If it's not there, add it.) That fixed that problem! My subscribe confirmations are now working. -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From natecars at real-time.com Wed Feb 7 13:03:50 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BIND 8.2.3? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, Yaron wrote: > Yeah, I know that, except: > > (A) They're pointing to me as secondary > (B) BIND is NOT GIVING THE RIGHT INFO. It's telling people that, well, for > example, anything.HACKERS-UNLIMITED.COM is _my_ IP address. > (C) It has hijacked domains that are NOT pointing at me, but which used > to. Hmmm.. so the zone is totally not configured in named.conf? > Either way, bind9 seems to work, and the SPARCclassic I want to use for > internal DNS managed to get through an install... so we'll see. Heh, cool. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Wed Feb 7 13:04:18 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BIND 8.2.3? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, Ben Kochie wrote: > what is the whois syntax you did to get that list? whois host hostname.of.dns.server whois server nic.handle.of.dns.server -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Feb 7 13:07:28 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BIND 8.2.3? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > Hmmm.. so the zone is totally not configured in named.conf? It is, as type = slave. > Heh, cool. Yeah, been compiling OpenSSL for the past 3 hours... -Yaron -- From ecrist at ardent-hacker.net Wed Feb 7 13:29:54 2001 From: ecrist at ardent-hacker.net (Eric F Crist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BIND 8.2.3? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01020713295403.38706@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Ok, I'm not understanding. I run a very limited DNS server, for a few domains. what, exactly, would I type, for example to pull up who I'm doing DNS for? Assuming I'm not me.... Eric On Wednesday 07 February 2001 13:04, you wrote: > On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, Ben Kochie wrote: > > what is the whois syntax you did to get that list? > > whois host hostname.of.dns.server > whois server nic.handle.of.dns.server - -- Eric F Crist System Administrator Ardent-Hacker.net Secure-Computing.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.1i iQEVAwUBOoGUI1Y1QwxgidsZAQGAQQf9EjvFPKWNGvF5RYao7WKXTjWeWcc6n95o /81sgH0grrQvCV9PfbfC8H0VTfo4x8tJl4p4wzxEWZ71/Nbw+THJpLU8Apf4jiz9 AwOx4lqc6/xd1rQMXgDgR8jGa0atTL1/gjIBc3Fk6qBwrI25afwu0AvdssHDK9Ce 5GBuH8sNlw9JKYLrVOGwzhjm0w8dn4PgyGzu/R+7Xu5tS2hlTtUrwbljeEYGQnTE LXyQfLLC2evMLkvCouqtqX6VhgdEno05uyoItMj5TwwLX8yXnjXbmX08Wb/lQFGW k8eE8vtrwwx2lgul/xrX9OshNWntW37XxCrXEPmrtVjlJhR+AHm/hQ== =FepX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From kbullock at ringworld.org Wed Feb 7 14:20:41 2001 From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin R. Bullock) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Distro madness In-Reply-To: <3A8184BB.F7BECB1A@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, Michael Hicks wrote: > Or, if you're bored, have some shell programming skills, and know how to > use `which', `ldd', and `strip', you can roll your own (`man init' would > be the place to start). Of course, considering that you only have 4MB > of RAM, you might want to ditch bash as a shell and go with something a > little smaller. If you're going to do it this way, I would highly recommend looking at busybox (search for it on freshmeat). It provides over a hundred of the standard *nix utils (IIRC), including init and sh. It was originally written for the Debian installer, but obviously has more general applications. Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa Kevin R. Bullock From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Feb 7 14:20:53 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BIND (not) 8.2.3 Message-ID: Hi, Ok, I've tried this with bind 9.1.0 too... here's what's going on. I've got my gateway machine doing DNS. It's called Tiger. If I do queries from INSIDE my network, everything's ok. For example, I'm secondarying zman.cx: -- > server 127.0.0.1 Default Server: localhost Address: 127.0.0.1 > www.zman.cx Server: localhost Address: 127.0.0.1 Name: zman.cx Address: 209.98.246.209 Aliases: www.zman.cx -- However, if I do the same thing from OUTSIDE, I get this: -- > server 206.147.104.200 ( <-- my public IP address ) Default Server: beldaren.yaron.org Address: 206.147.104.200 > www.zman.cx Server: beldaren.yaron.org Address: 206.147.104.200 Name: zman.cx Address: 206.147.104.200 ( <-- This is MY address!!! ) Aliases: www.zman.cx -- This all started when I switched my DSL router into PPP mode, btw, which is basically NATting everything to the inside... but that shouldn't change DNS query results! Anyone have a clue for me? -Yaron -- From tanner at real-time.com Wed Feb 7 14:33:17 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BIND (not) 8.2.3 In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 02:20:53PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20010207143317.R1523@real-time.com> Quoting Yaron (jethro@freakzilla.com): > Hi, > > Ok, I've tried this with bind 9.1.0 too... here's what's going on. > > > I've got my gateway machine doing DNS. It's called Tiger. > > If I do queries from INSIDE my network, everything's ok. For example, I'm > secondarying zman.cx: You want 1 DNS server to be SOA for some public accessiable domains AND also be SOA for your internal network as well? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thing is, when you query the outside DNS server from OUTSIDE my network, and ask it about stuff I'm secondary for, it gives MY IP instead of the secondary. However, when you query the outside DNS server from INSIDE my network (seperate machines so I know I'm going to the right one) it resolves secondary domains correctly. -Yaron -- From lxy at cloudnet.com Wed Feb 7 14:36:48 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Distro madness In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, Michael Hicks wrote: > > Or, if you're bored, have some shell programming skills, and know how to > > use `which', `ldd', and `strip', you can roll your own (`man init' would > > be the place to start). Of course, considering that you only have 4MB > > of RAM, you might want to ditch bash as a shell and go with something a > > little smaller. To which Kevin replied: > If you're going to do it this way, I would highly recommend looking at > busybox (search for it on freshmeat). It provides over a hundred of the > standard *nix utils (IIRC), including init and sh. It was originally > written for the Debian installer, but obviously has more general > applications. Thanks for all the ideas! I'm considering using DOS but after playing with Debian last night I think I can make it fit. I've got Slink 2.1, running kernel 2.0.38 or something really old. There's a low memory bootdisk image for systems with 2 MB RAM, I might try that tonight. I'm also considering "rolling my own". I guess I'll just try some of this stuff and see what works best. While I want this laptop to be functional, I also want to have fun getting it that way. Installing DOS is something I do every day at work, it's time for a new challenge. -Brian From clay at fandre.com Wed Feb 7 16:32:55 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tcp connections not closing properly References: Message-ID: <3A81CD17.83D44BC9@fandre.com> Peter Lukas wrote: > > How about an open-systems discussion list? > > Peter Lukas That's all I need. Another mailing list to be subscribed to. I'm already spending about 1/2 my day just reading email. But what do I know... > > On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > Peter Lukas wrote: > > > > > > Upgrade to a *BSD. > > > > > > > OK guys. There's a lot of talk about switching to *BSD. Should we make > > this a *BSD mailing list? > > From jsowers at osii.com Wed Feb 7 16:42:16 2001 From: jsowers at osii.com (Jason Sowers) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tcp connections not closing properly In-Reply-To: <3A81CD17.83D44BC9@fandre.com> Message-ID: I agree. Between this list, SCALUG, and all the crap Cisco sends me, I get enough e-mail. Let's not forget, one must read slashdot. Someone could actually spend an 8 hour day just reading stuff. If only I could find someone to pay me for all that.... ____________________________________ Jason Sowers Network Engineer Open Systems International 3600 Holly Lane North Suite 40 Minneapolis, MN 55447-1286 Phone: (763) 551-0559 Fax: (763) 551-1750 Email: jsowers@osii.com http: www.osii.com & www.e-scada.com -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Clay Fandre Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 4:33 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] tcp connections not closing properly Peter Lukas wrote: > > How about an open-systems discussion list? > > Peter Lukas That's all I need. Another mailing list to be subscribed to. I'm already spending about 1/2 my day just reading email. But what do I know... > > On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > Peter Lukas wrote: > > > > > > Upgrade to a *BSD. > > > > > > > OK guys. There's a lot of talk about switching to *BSD. Should we make > > this a *BSD mailing list? > > _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Feb 7 16:57:38 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tcp connections not closing properly References: Message-ID: <3A81D2E2.5AF801E5@tc.umn.edu> Jason Sowers wrote: > > I agree. Between this list, SCALUG, and all the crap Cisco sends me, I get > enough e-mail. Let's not forget, one must read slashdot. Someone could > actually spend an 8 hour day just reading stuff. If only I could find > someone to pay me for all that.... You don't? (just kidding ;-) The closest match I can see for that is reporter. Of course, to do that, you have to be able to write stuff worth reading.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ BREAKFAST.COM Halted... / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Cereal Port Not \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) Responding. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Feb 7 17:11:43 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sistina Impromptu Installfest Message-ID: <20010207171142.A3292@minime.sistina.com> Hi all, thought you might be interested in this. Sistina has recently hired some individuals with no linux experience who are interested in learning. Since we are an open source company I figured it'd we'd do something nice. We are going to hold an impromptu installfest for the new users and would like to invite those of you who would like to join us. It'll probably not happen for 2 or 3 weeks and it'll be on a saturday or sunday. Basically we'll have some tables setup, some network access, and a few install cd's handy and we'll attempt to help you get set up. It'll be quite informal and probably won't be any food or beverages like the LUG installfests have as this isn't an official sistina thing, I am doing it for our employees and figured I'd invite you all as well. More details to follow, please send me a mail so I can tell if anyone is interested. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We > are going to hold an impromptu installfest for the new users and would like to > invite those of you who would like to join us. It'll probably not happen for 2 > or 3 weeks and it'll be on a saturday or sunday. Basically we'll have some > tables setup, some network access, and a few install cd's handy and we'll > attempt to help you get set up. It'll be quite informal and probably won't be > any food or beverages like the LUG installfests have as this isn't an official > sistina thing, I am doing it for our employees and figured I'd invite you all > as well. More details to follow, please send me a mail so I can tell if anyone > is interested. > > -- > Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 > Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 > System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ > > Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ From tobytoo at black-hole.com Wed Feb 7 17:40:22 2001 From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (b. toberman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sistina Impromptu Installfest References: <20010207171142.A3292@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <3A81DCE6.39794594@black-hole.com> I'd be interested, sounds like fun, BTW which distro. Ben Lutgens wrote: > Hi all, thought you might be interested in this. Sistina has recently hired > some individuals with no linux experience who are interested in learning. > Since we are an open source company I figured it'd we'd do something nice. We > are going to hold an impromptu installfest for the new users and would like to > invite those of you who would like to join us. It'll probably not happen for 2 > or 3 weeks and it'll be on a saturday or sunday. Basically we'll have some > tables setup, some network access, and a few install cd's handy and we'll > attempt to help you get set up. It'll be quite informal and probably won't be > any food or beverages like the LUG installfests have as this isn't an official > sistina thing, I am doing it for our employees and figured I'd invite you all > as well. More details to follow, please send me a mail so I can tell if anyone > is interested. > > -- > Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 > Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 > System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ > > Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Feb 7 17:53:48 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sistina Impromptu Installfest In-Reply-To: <3A81DCBD.D9220F48@usfamily.net>; from drew@usfamily.net on Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 05:39:41PM -0600 References: <20010207171142.A3292@minime.sistina.com> <3A81DCBD.D9220F48@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <20010207175348.A4039@minime.sistina.com> On Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 05:39:41PM -0600, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: >Its about time that we had an install fest. Maybe some one will be able to help >me with my PCMCIA problem. Anyway as long as its after Feb.18th I'm in. > Please keep in mind that this is not an official LUG installfest. Unless Bob, and Clay wouldn't mind working with me and providing my Boss Approves :-) we could maybe make it a little more official. > >Ben Lutgens wrote: > >> Hi all, thought you might be interested in this. Sistina has recently hired >> some individuals with no linux experience who are interested in learning. >> Since we are an open source company I figured it'd we'd do something nice. We >> are going to hold an impromptu installfest for the new users and would like to >> invite those of you who would like to join us. It'll probably not happen for 2 >> or 3 weeks and it'll be on a saturday or sunday. Basically we'll have some >> tables setup, some network access, and a few install cd's handy and we'll >> attempt to help you get set up. It'll be quite informal and probably won't be >> any food or beverages like the LUG installfests have as this isn't an official >> sistina thing, I am doing it for our employees and figured I'd invite you all >> as well. More details to follow, please send me a mail so I can tell if anyone >> is interested. >> >> -- >> Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 >> Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 >> System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ >> >> Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature > > > >------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010207/d471934f/attachment.pgp From destef at destef.com Wed Feb 7 19:33:00 2001 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UltraSparc 2's In-Reply-To: <200102070101.f1711Zo05946@destef.com> References: Message-ID: <200102080132.f181Wgo06925@destef.com> Since there's obviously some interest I'll get back to you all with the specs and prices when I get a chance. Hang tight... At 07:01 PM 2/6/01 -0600, you wrote: >I have a couple of UltraSparc 2's with 21inch monitors at >work that might need a new home. I dont have the specs yet >and was wondering if there is enough interest from anyone >for me to dig them out of the closet and see if my mgr will >part with them. Would probably come with some software >I think. > >Any interest? > > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From clay at fandre.com Wed Feb 7 19:34:59 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sistina Impromptu Installfest References: <20010207171142.A3292@minime.sistina.com> <3A81DCBD.D9220F48@usfamily.net> <20010207175348.A4039@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <3A81F7C3.516CF9DE@fandre.com> Ben Lutgens wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 05:39:41PM -0600, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > >Its about time that we had an install fest. Maybe some one will be able to help > >me with my PCMCIA problem. Anyway as long as its after Feb.18th I'm in. > > > > Please keep in mind that this is not an official LUG installfest. Unless Bob, > and Clay wouldn't mind working with me and providing my Boss Approves :-) we > could maybe make it a little more official. > You guys do know that we are having an OFFICIAL installfest on March 3rd, don't you? Don't you check out the events webpage once in a while? Get with it guys. http://www.mn-linux.org/events/ Isn't this soon enough, Ben? From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Feb 7 22:15:49 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sistina Impromptu Installfest In-Reply-To: <3A81F7C3.516CF9DE@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 07:34:59PM -0600 References: <20010207171142.A3292@minime.sistina.com> <3A81DCBD.D9220F48@usfamily.net> <20010207175348.A4039@minime.sistina.com> <3A81F7C3.516CF9DE@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20010207221549.A566@minime.sistina.com> On Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 07:34:59PM -0600, Clay Fandre wrote: >Ben Lutgens wrote: >> >You guys do know that we are having an OFFICIAL installfest on March >3rd, don't you? Don't you check out the events webpage once in a while? >Get with it guys. http://www.mn-linux.org/events/ Doh! Well this was something that Tom and I Dreamed up on the way to work, and I thought, "Hrm, only be a couple people from the company....I could get at least 15 more people in, I'll invite the LUG" Perhaps I can convince the people in my company to all convoy over. I could help someone install GFS or LVM if they wanted. > >Isn't this soon enough, Ben? I gotta check our schedule but that might work. Can we possibly do the next one at Sistina? It's in Dinkytown so it's not the greatest location. >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010207/725a7fbe/attachment.pgp From jacque at fruitioninc.com Wed Feb 7 22:18:38 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sistina Impromptu Installfest In-Reply-To: <20010207221549.A566@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: Are we going to change the location? I just finshed the posters... ~j > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Ben Lutgens > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 10:16 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Sistina Impromptu Installfest > > > On Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 07:34:59PM -0600, Clay Fandre wrote: > >Ben Lutgens wrote: > >> > >You guys do know that we are having an OFFICIAL installfest on March > >3rd, don't you? Don't you check out the events webpage once in a while? > >Get with it guys. http://www.mn-linux.org/events/ > > Doh! Well this was something that Tom and I Dreamed up on the way > to work, and > I thought, "Hrm, only be a couple people from the company....I > could get at > least 15 more people in, I'll invite the LUG" > > Perhaps I can convince the people in my company to all convoy > over. I could > help someone install GFS or LVM if they wanted. > > > > >Isn't this soon enough, Ben? > > I gotta check our schedule but that might work. Can we possibly > do the next > one at Sistina? It's in Dinkytown so it's not the greatest location. > > >_______________________________________________ > >tclug-list mailing list > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- > Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 > Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 > System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ > > Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details > From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Feb 7 23:01:39 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sistina Impromptu Installfest In-Reply-To: ; from jacque@fruitioninc.com on Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 10:18:38PM -0600 References: <20010207221549.A566@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010207230139.A1501@minime.sistina.com> On Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 10:18:38PM -0600, Jacqueline Urick wrote: >Are we going to change the location? I just finshed the posters... No, I mean the _next_ one. Not the upcomming one. Sorry, I should have been more specific. > >~j > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org >> [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Ben Lutgens >> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 10:16 PM >> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Sistina Impromptu Installfest >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 07:34:59PM -0600, Clay Fandre wrote: >> >Ben Lutgens wrote: >> >> >> >You guys do know that we are having an OFFICIAL installfest on March >> >3rd, don't you? Don't you check out the events webpage once in a while? >> >Get with it guys. http://www.mn-linux.org/events/ >> >> Doh! Well this was something that Tom and I Dreamed up on the way >> to work, and >> I thought, "Hrm, only be a couple people from the company....I >> could get at >> least 15 more people in, I'll invite the LUG" >> >> Perhaps I can convince the people in my company to all convoy >> over. I could >> help someone install GFS or LVM if they wanted. >> >> > >> >Isn't this soon enough, Ben? >> >> I gotta check our schedule but that might work. Can we possibly >> do the next >> one at Sistina? It's in Dinkytown so it's not the greatest location. >> >> >_______________________________________________ >> >tclug-list mailing list >> >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> -- >> Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 >> Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 >> System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ >> >> Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details >> >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010207/85e2126b/attachment.pgp From jacque at fruitioninc.com Wed Feb 7 23:02:13 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sistina Impromptu Installfest In-Reply-To: <20010207230139.A1501@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: uh, you mean the one after the next one, I think.. ;o) ~j > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Ben Lutgens > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 11:02 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Sistina Impromptu Installfest > > > On Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 10:18:38PM -0600, Jacqueline Urick wrote: > >Are we going to change the location? I just finshed the posters... > > No, I mean the _next_ one. Not the upcomming one. Sorry, I should > have been > more specific. > > > > >~j > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > >> [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Ben Lutgens > >> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 10:16 PM > >> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Sistina Impromptu Installfest > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 07:34:59PM -0600, Clay Fandre wrote: > >> >Ben Lutgens wrote: > >> >> > >> >You guys do know that we are having an OFFICIAL installfest on March > >> >3rd, don't you? Don't you check out the events webpage once > in a while? > >> >Get with it guys. http://www.mn-linux.org/events/ > >> > >> Doh! Well this was something that Tom and I Dreamed up on the way > >> to work, and > >> I thought, "Hrm, only be a couple people from the company....I > >> could get at > >> least 15 more people in, I'll invite the LUG" > >> > >> Perhaps I can convince the people in my company to all convoy > >> over. I could > >> help someone install GFS or LVM if they wanted. > >> > >> > > >> >Isn't this soon enough, Ben? > >> > >> I gotta check our schedule but that might work. Can we possibly > >> do the next > >> one at Sistina? It's in Dinkytown so it's not the greatest location. > >> > >> >_______________________________________________ > >> >tclug-list mailing list > >> >tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >> >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >> > >> -- > >> Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet > bofh.jive.org 666 > >> Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 > >> System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ > >> > >> Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html > for details > >> > >_______________________________________________ > >tclug-list mailing list > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- > Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 > Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 > System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ > > Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details > From jts at tc.umn.edu Wed Feb 7 23:56:54 2001 From: jts at tc.umn.edu (Joel T Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] new - Linuxcare BBC v1.5 Message-ID: Linuxcare has released a Bootable Business Card (BBC) ISO: http://open-projects.linuxcare.com/BBC/download.epl Change Log Version 1.5 is a developer snapshot release. See the ERRATA file for the list of improvements but some are up to you to discover. (Hint if you are connected to the Internet type "news" from the command line. It contains the following fixes and enhancements: Mozilla is a nice friendly browser and replaces Amaya Frame Buffer for a nice X and much more hardware support. Bunny a troublesome bunny overwrites your screen. Bash completion added Pilot -Link added to rescue your palm. bash updated cmostool access the cmos of a running system Reiser file system support added. Perl added gpart added ipchains added wireless 802.11 support added iptraf for network trafic Black Box window manager Joel ---------- Check out Blue Man Group: http://www.blueman.com/ From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Feb 8 00:40:28 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] #@%^ DNS/NAT Message-ID: Hi, Is anyone running their own DNS on a mchine sitting behind a Cisco 675 which is doing static NAT? If so, feel like helping me test a theory? -Yaron -- From sraun at fireopal.org Thu Feb 8 06:47:16 2001 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] #@%^ DNS/NAT In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Thu, Feb 08, 2001 at 12:40:28AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20010208064716.A28706@iaxs.net> On Thu, Feb 08, 2001 at 12:40:28AM -0600, Yaron wrote: > > Is anyone running their own DNS on a mchine sitting behind a Cisco 675 > which is doing static NAT? If so, feel like helping me test a theory? Not yet, but it's on my "to do sometime" list. If you confirm a problem, please let me know? If you don't get a volunteer before Sunday, you might ask me again. I may have a block of time available then. Oh, yeah - I may know someone too. -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From peter at math.umn.edu Thu Feb 8 07:33:49 2001 From: peter at math.umn.edu (Peter Lukas) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tcp connections not closing properly - Really RE: TOPICS In-Reply-To: <3A81D2E2.5AF801E5@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: How about expanding the scope of the discussion list to be more open-systems friendly, then? Peter Lukas On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, Michael Hicks wrote: > Jason Sowers wrote: > > > > I agree. Between this list, SCALUG, and all the crap Cisco sends me, I get > > enough e-mail. Let's not forget, one must read slashdot. Someone could > > actually spend an 8 hour day just reading stuff. If only I could find > > someone to pay me for all that.... > > You don't? (just kidding ;-) > > The closest match I can see for that is reporter. Of course, to do > that, you have to be able to write stuff worth reading.. > > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ BREAKFAST.COM Halted... > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Cereal Port Not > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) Responding. > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From peter at math.umn.edu Thu Feb 8 07:35:23 2001 From: peter at math.umn.edu (Peter Lukas) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PHP and Other Fun Stuff Expensive Software Can't Do. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Does anyone on the list have extensive experience with PHP/PostgreSQL and other dynamic content generation utilities? Let me know off-list. Peter Lukas On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, Jacqueline Urick wrote: > uh, you mean the one after the next one, I think.. ;o) > > ~j > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Ben Lutgens > > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 11:02 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Sistina Impromptu Installfest > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 10:18:38PM -0600, Jacqueline Urick wrote: > > >Are we going to change the location? I just finshed the posters... > > > > No, I mean the _next_ one. Not the upcomming one. Sorry, I should > > have been > > more specific. > > > > > > > >~j > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > > >> [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Ben Lutgens > > >> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 10:16 PM > > >> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > >> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Sistina Impromptu Installfest > > >> > > >> > > >> On Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 07:34:59PM -0600, Clay Fandre wrote: > > >> >Ben Lutgens wrote: > > >> >> > > >> >You guys do know that we are having an OFFICIAL installfest on March > > >> >3rd, don't you? Don't you check out the events webpage once > > in a while? > > >> >Get with it guys. http://www.mn-linux.org/events/ > > >> > > >> Doh! Well this was something that Tom and I Dreamed up on the way > > >> to work, and > > >> I thought, "Hrm, only be a couple people from the company....I > > >> could get at > > >> least 15 more people in, I'll invite the LUG" > > >> > > >> Perhaps I can convince the people in my company to all convoy > > >> over. I could > > >> help someone install GFS or LVM if they wanted. > > >> > > >> > > > >> >Isn't this soon enough, Ben? > > >> > > >> I gotta check our schedule but that might work. Can we possibly > > >> do the next > > >> one at Sistina? It's in Dinkytown so it's not the greatest location. > > >> > > >> >_______________________________________________ > > >> >tclug-list mailing list > > >> >tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > >> >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet > > bofh.jive.org 666 > > >> Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 > > >> System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ > > >> > > >> Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html > > for details > > >> > > >_______________________________________________ > > >tclug-list mailing list > > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > -- > > Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 > > Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 > > System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ > > > > Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From sass at sistina.com Thu Feb 8 07:48:11 2001 From: sass at sistina.com (Dave Sass) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [sistina] Sistina Impromptu Installfest In-Reply-To: <20010207171142.A3292@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: Ben - great idea - I look forward to learning how to run Linux! Dave Sass Vice President Business Development & Sales Sistina Software email: sass@sistina.com www.sistina.com 1313 5th Street S.E., Suite 111 Minneapolis, MN 55414 612-379-3951 Main 612-379-3952 fax 612-867-6402 cell For Directions: http://www.sistina.com/Pages/map.html -----Original Message----- From: sistina-admin@sistina.com [mailto:sistina-admin@sistina.com]On Behalf Of Ben Lutgens Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 5:12 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Cc: sistina@sistina.com Subject: [sistina] Sistina Impromptu Installfest Hi all, thought you might be interested in this. Sistina has recently hired some individuals with no linux experience who are interested in learning. Since we are an open source company I figured it'd we'd do something nice. We are going to hold an impromptu installfest for the new users and would like to invite those of you who would like to join us. It'll probably not happen for 2 or 3 weeks and it'll be on a saturday or sunday. Basically we'll have some tables setup, some network access, and a few install cd's handy and we'll attempt to help you get set up. It'll be quite informal and probably won't be any food or beverages like the LUG installfests have as this isn't an official sistina thing, I am doing it for our employees and figured I'd invite you all as well. More details to follow, please send me a mail so I can tell if anyone is interested. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details From scottdagastino at yahoo.com Thu Feb 8 09:51:10 2001 From: scottdagastino at yahoo.com (Scott Dagastino) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UltraSparc 2's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010208155110.49795.qmail@web9604.mail.yahoo.com> switch over to receiving email through mozilla!! --- Troy Johnson wrote: > I might be interested also, but I am but a poor > church mouse, so price is also _the_ issue for me. > > >>> destef@destef.com 02/06/01 07:01PM >>> > I have a couple of UltraSparc 2's with 21inch > monitors at > work that might need a new home. > > P.S. - I'm using GroupWise to write this. Is it as > irritating to read as email that is produced by > Outlook (default html, no line wrapping, ...)? I'm > also reading it through GroupWise so I might not be > able to tell. :-/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From scottdagastino at yahoo.com Thu Feb 8 09:51:50 2001 From: scottdagastino at yahoo.com (Scott Dagastino) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UltraSparc 2's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010208155150.33705.qmail@web9602.mail.yahoo.com> So does the state Health area do alot of java and linux? --- Troy Johnson wrote: > I might be interested also, but I am but a poor > church mouse, so price is also _the_ issue for me. > > >>> destef@destef.com 02/06/01 07:01PM >>> > I have a couple of UltraSparc 2's with 21inch > monitors at > work that might need a new home. > > P.S. - I'm using GroupWise to write this. Is it as > irritating to read as email that is produced by > Outlook (default html, no line wrapping, ...)? I'm > also reading it through GroupWise so I might not be > able to tell. :-/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From okeefe at sistina.com Thu Feb 8 13:46:30 2001 From: okeefe at sistina.com (okeefe@sistina.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [sistina] Sistina Impromptu Installfest In-Reply-To: <20010207171142.A3292@minime.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 05:11:43PM -0600 References: <20010207171142.A3292@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010208134630.C14958@sistina.com> Buy as much food (and beer afterward) as you want: consider this an "official Sistina installfest". I suggest you overlap it with the EMG guys so that you don't have to do double-duty. Thanks for this extra effort! Matt On Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 05:11:43PM -0600, Ben Lutgens wrote: > Hi all, thought you might be interested in this. Sistina has recently hired > some individuals with no linux experience who are interested in learning. > Since we are an open source company I figured it'd we'd do something nice. We > are going to hold an impromptu installfest for the new users and would like to > invite those of you who would like to join us. It'll probably not happen for 2 > or 3 weeks and it'll be on a saturday or sunday. Basically we'll have some > tables setup, some network access, and a few install cd's handy and we'll > attempt to help you get set up. It'll be quite informal and probably won't be > any food or beverages like the LUG installfests have as this isn't an official > sistina thing, I am doing it for our employees and figured I'd invite you all > as well. More details to follow, please send me a mail so I can tell if anyone > is interested. > > -- > Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 > Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 > System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ > > Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details From natecars at real-time.com Thu Feb 8 13:53:35 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BIND 8.2.3? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, Yaron wrote: > > Hmmm.. so the zone is totally not configured in named.conf? > > It is, as type = slave. Slaving is working fine for me on 8.2.3.. so you're saying that you are slaving the domain, but it's returning the wrong IP? Weird. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From clay at fandre.com Thu Feb 8 14:04:40 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [sistina] Sistina Impromptu Installfest References: <20010207171142.A3292@minime.sistina.com> <20010208134630.C14958@sistina.com> Message-ID: <3A82FBD8.B75DB604@fandre.com> So is this going to be seperate from the TCLUG installfest on March 3rd? If so, when and where will it be? (I love free beer.) okeefe@sistina.com wrote: > > Buy as much food (and beer afterward) as you want: consider > this an "official Sistina installfest". I suggest you > overlap it with the EMG guys so that you don't have to do double-duty. > > Thanks for this extra effort! > Matt > > On Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 05:11:43PM -0600, Ben Lutgens wrote: > > Hi all, thought you might be interested in this. Sistina has recently hired > > some individuals with no linux experience who are interested in learning. > > Since we are an open source company I figured it'd we'd do something nice. We > > are going to hold an impromptu installfest for the new users and would like to > > invite those of you who would like to join us. It'll probably not happen for 2 > > or 3 weeks and it'll be on a saturday or sunday. Basically we'll have some > > tables setup, some network access, and a few install cd's handy and we'll > > attempt to help you get set up. It'll be quite informal and probably won't be > > any food or beverages like the LUG installfests have as this isn't an official > > sistina thing, I am doing it for our employees and figured I'd invite you all > > as well. More details to follow, please send me a mail so I can tell if anyone > > is interested. From thudak at sistina.com Thu Feb 8 14:24:20 2001 From: thudak at sistina.com (Tom Hudak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [sistina] Sistina Impromptu Installfest In-Reply-To: <3A82FBD8.B75DB604@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Thu, Feb 08, 2001 at 02:04:40PM -0600 References: <20010207171142.A3292@minime.sistina.com> <20010208134630.C14958@sistina.com> <3A82FBD8.B75DB604@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20010208142420.A11486@cesium.sistina.com> On Thu, Feb 08, 2001 at 02:04:40PM -0600, Clay Fandre wrote: >So is this going to be seperate from the TCLUG installfest on March 3rd? >If so, when and where will it be? (I love free beer.) We have not decided on a final date as of yet, but we'll keep posting updates as we smooth this out a bit. > > >okeefe@sistina.com wrote: >> >> Buy as much food (and beer afterward) as you want: consider >> this an "official Sistina installfest". I suggest you >> overlap it with the EMG guys so that you don't have to do double-duty. >> >> Thanks for this extra effort! >> Matt >> >> On Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 05:11:43PM -0600, Ben Lutgens wrote: >> > Hi all, thought you might be interested in this. Sistina has recently hired >> > some individuals with no linux experience who are interested in learning. >> > Since we are an open source company I figured it'd we'd do something nice. We >> > are going to hold an impromptu installfest for the new users and would like to >> > invite those of you who would like to join us. It'll probably not happen for 2 >> > or 3 weeks and it'll be on a saturday or sunday. Basically we'll have some >> > tables setup, some network access, and a few install cd's handy and we'll >> > attempt to help you get set up. It'll be quite informal and probably won't be >> > any food or beverages like the LUG installfests have as this isn't an official >> > sistina thing, I am doing it for our employees and figured I'd invite you all >> > as well. More details to follow, please send me a mail so I can tell if anyone >> > is interested. >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Thomas J. Hudak Systems Administrator Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com Phone: 612.379.3951 Page: 612.318.1967 Fax: 612.379.3952 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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No, it doesn't sit for 30 mins :-) -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Feb 8 15:30:34 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BIND 8.2.3? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Thu, 8 Feb 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > Slaving is working fine for me on 8.2.3.. so you're saying that you are > slaving the domain, but it's returning the wrong IP? Weird. Ok, 9.1.0 does the same thing. And, ok, here's the deal. Query the DNS server from INSITE my network and you get correct results. Query the DNS server from OUTSIDE my network and it returns THE SAME IP FOR EVERY HOST, namely my public IP. This started when I switched the router to PPP mode. Hang on, I must try something insanely stupid. Ok. I modified the info for yaron.org. I told it yaron.org = 206.147.104.210. Queries for anything STILL RETURN 206.147.104.200!!! What the hell??? The only thing I can think of (which sounds impossible) is the Cisco675's NAT 'translating' the outgoing DNS replies to it's own outside interface! -Yaron -- From natecars at real-time.com Thu Feb 8 15:53:27 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BIND 8.2.3? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 8 Feb 2001, Yaron wrote: > Ok, 9.1.0 does the same thing. And, ok, here's the deal. > > Query the DNS server from INSITE my network and you get correct results. > > Query the DNS server from OUTSIDE my network and it returns THE SAME IP > FOR EVERY HOST, namely my public IP. > > This started when I switched the router to PPP mode. Hang on, I must try > something insanely stupid. > > > Ok. I modified the info for yaron.org. I told it yaron.org = > 206.147.104.210. > > Queries for anything STILL RETURN 206.147.104.200!!! > > What the hell??? The only thing I can think of (which sounds impossible) > is the Cisco675's NAT 'translating' the outgoing DNS replies to it's own > outside interface! Hmm... try modifying the router to use the internal DNS server as it's DNS, and see what happens.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Feb 8 16:35:52 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BIND 8.2.3? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Thu, 8 Feb 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > Hmm... try modifying the router to use the internal DNS server as it's > DNS, and see what happens.. set ppp wan0-0 dns 10.0.0.2 write reboot Still does the same thing. -Yaron -- From jacque at fruitioninc.com Thu Feb 8 16:38:31 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting Tonight Message-ID: Hey LUGies - With the weather what it is right now, who is still planning to go to Gabe's tonight? Should we cancel? Jacque From natecars at real-time.com Thu Feb 8 16:41:03 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BIND 8.2.3? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 8 Feb 2001, Yaron wrote: > > Hmm... try modifying the router to use the internal DNS server as it's > > DNS, and see what happens.. > > set ppp wan0-0 dns 10.0.0.2 > write > reboot > > Still does the same thing. What version CBOS? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Feb 8 16:49:04 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BIND 8.2.3? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Thu, 8 Feb 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > What version CBOS? 2.3.5 -Yaron -- From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Feb 8 17:46:58 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sistina Impromptu Installfest In-Reply-To: ; from jacque@fruitioninc.com on Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 11:02:13PM -0600 References: <20010207230139.A1501@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010208174657.B20362@minime.sistina.com> On Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 11:02:13PM -0600, Jacqueline Urick wrote: >uh, you mean the one after the next one, I think.. ;o) Yes, sorry. > >~j > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org >> [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Ben Lutgens >> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 11:02 PM >> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Sistina Impromptu Installfest >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 10:18:38PM -0600, Jacqueline Urick wrote: >> >Are we going to change the location? I just finshed the posters... >> >> No, I mean the _next_ one. Not the upcomming one. Sorry, I should >> have been >> more specific. >> >> > >> >~j >> > >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org >> >> [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Ben Lutgens >> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 10:16 PM >> >> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> >> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Sistina Impromptu Installfest >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 07:34:59PM -0600, Clay Fandre wrote: >> >> >Ben Lutgens wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >You guys do know that we are having an OFFICIAL installfest on March >> >> >3rd, don't you? Don't you check out the events webpage once >> in a while? >> >> >Get with it guys. http://www.mn-linux.org/events/ >> >> >> >> Doh! Well this was something that Tom and I Dreamed up on the way >> >> to work, and >> >> I thought, "Hrm, only be a couple people from the company....I >> >> could get at >> >> least 15 more people in, I'll invite the LUG" >> >> >> >> Perhaps I can convince the people in my company to all convoy >> >> over. I could >> >> help someone install GFS or LVM if they wanted. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >Isn't this soon enough, Ben? >> >> >> >> I gotta check our schedule but that might work. Can we possibly >> >> do the next >> >> one at Sistina? It's in Dinkytown so it's not the greatest location. >> >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >> >> >tclug-list mailing list >> >> >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> >> >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet >> bofh.jive.org 666 >> >> Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 >> >> System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ >> >> >> >> Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html >> for details >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >> >tclug-list mailing list >> >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> -- >> Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 >> Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 >> System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ >> >> Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details >> >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Macs speak lpd provided the printer is true postscript. >Your skill set must contain troubleshooting skills on both platforms. > >Understanding basic firewalling, like IP Masquarding, and port forwarding. Will >be beneficial. Butter. > >Ok, I snipped the rest of the marketing crap. Techs hate that stuff anyways. :-) > >I'll translate the marketing-speak: > >You'll get paid. :-) Money good, FIRE BAD! FIRE BAD! >We are nice people and treat people right. hehe that's what they all say ;-) >Don't steal our clients. violators will be banished to windows land. >Don't end-run us and go directly to the client. See above. >You get a free Real Time shirt and can-cooze! sweet. >I'll think you are weird. You gotta do better than that, I already have that one :-) >(* ok, I add the last one :-) but you have to admit, someone withe Mac and Linux > skills has to be a little different! *) > >Send url of your resume to jobs@real-time.com. > >FYI: If you want to impress _me_ it won't be in MS word format! how about LaTex? -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Too much work to do. > > >Jacque > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010208/da5b718a/attachment.pgp From natecars at real-time.com Thu Feb 8 18:01:08 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BIND 8.2.3? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 8 Feb 2001, Yaron wrote: > > What version CBOS? > > 2.3.5 > > -Yaron Hrmmm.. weird. What happens if you add a specific NAT entry for port 53? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From andy at theasis.com Thu Feb 8 18:09:25 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting Tonight In-Reply-To: <20010208175113.D20362@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 8 Feb 2001, Ben Lutgens wrote: > Someone have a scotch for me, I'll enjoy it vicariously. Too much work to do. Would you like the Clynelish, the Ardbeg or the Royal Brackla? Andy From tanner at real-time.com Thu Feb 8 18:07:04 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG-JOBS] Contract position: MacIntosh and Linux In-Reply-To: <20010208175041.C20362@minime.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Thu, Feb 08, 2001 at 05:50:41PM -0600 References: <20010208160028.Y17438@real-time.com> <20010208175041.C20362@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010208180704.C14635@real-time.com> Quoting Ben Lutgens (blutgens@sistina.com): > >(* ok, I add the last one :-) but you have to admit, someone withe Mac and Linux > > skills has to be a little different! *) > > > >Send url of your resume to jobs@real-time.com. > > > >FYI: If you want to impress _me_ it won't be in MS word format! > > how about LaTex? Ben, keep your sexual fantasies off the mailing list! :-P -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Feb 8 18:25:59 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BIND 8.2.3? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Thu, 8 Feb 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > What happens if you add a specific NAT entry for port 53? Still the same. did I mention I set my named to give the WRONG address for yaron.org and it STILL gives the right one from remote? -Yaron -- From andy at theasis.com Thu Feb 8 18:32:54 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BIND 8.2.3? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > did I mention I set my named to give the WRONG address for yaron.org and > it STILL gives the right one from remote? What do you mean remote? Some box outside the firewall/NAT thingie? Is it because that box has cached the old address? Andy > -Yaron From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Feb 8 18:44:25 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BIND 8.2.3? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Thu, 8 Feb 2001 andy@theasis.com wrote: > What do you mean remote? > Some box outside the firewall/NAT thingie? > Is it because that box has cached the old address? I do mean a box that's outside the NAT - but I'm running nslookup on that box and telling it to go directly to my server. I _do_ see that it's updating - for example, if I add junk.yaron.org, I'll get a result for it (the wrong one). If I take it out, I'll get no such host. -Yaron -- From ben at nerp.net Thu Feb 8 18:54:57 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG-JOBS] Contract position: MacIntosh and Linux In-Reply-To: <20010208160028.Y17438@real-time.com> Message-ID: erm.. i'm affraid to admit my MacOS skills.. come on bob.. it's not that hard :) Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Thu, 8 Feb 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > Real Time is looking for someone with both MacIntosh and Linux skills for a > contract position. > > The current contract will require skills on setting up Macs to talk to > Linux/Samba servers for both file and print services. > > Your skill set must contain troubleshooting skills on both platforms. > > Understanding basic firewalling, like IP Masquarding, and port forwarding. Will > be beneficial. > > Ok, I snipped the rest of the marketing crap. Techs hate that stuff anyways. :-) > > I'll translate the marketing-speak: > > You'll get paid. :-) > We are nice people and treat people right. > Don't steal our clients. > Don't end-run us and go directly to the client. > You get a free Real Time shirt and can-cooze! > I'll think you are weird. > > (* ok, I add the last one :-) but you have to admit, someone withe Mac and Linux > skills has to be a little different! *) > > Send url of your resume to jobs@real-time.com. > > FYI: If you want to impress _me_ it won't be in MS word format! > > Thanks. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-jobs mailing list > tclug-jobs@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-jobs > From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Feb 8 20:03:08 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting Tonight In-Reply-To: ; from andy@theasis.com on Thu, Feb 08, 2001 at 06:09:25PM -0600 References: <20010208175113.D20362@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010208200308.A511@minime.sistina.com> On Thu, Feb 08, 2001 at 06:09:25PM -0600, andy@theasis.com wrote: >On Thu, 8 Feb 2001, Ben Lutgens wrote: > >> Someone have a scotch for me, I'll enjoy it vicariously. Too much work to do. > >Would you like the Clynelish, the Ardbeg or the Royal Brackla? I'm actually quite partial to Dalwhinnie. > >Andy > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If you don't have the security sources in /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free deb-src http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: andyzb.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 367 bytes Desc: Card for Andy Zbikowski Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010209/e0ba80e4/andyzb.vcf From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Feb 9 10:41:36 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Distro madness In-Reply-To: ; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 02:36:48PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20010209104136.I5273@wookimus.net> On Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 02:36:48PM -0600, Brian wrote: > Thanks for all the ideas! I'm considering using DOS but after > playing with Debian last night I think I can make it fit. I've got > Slink 2.1, running kernel 2.0.38 or something really old. There's a > low memory bootdisk image for systems with 2 MB RAM, I might try > that tonight. I'm also considering "rolling my own". I guess I'll > just try some of this stuff and see what works best. > > While I want this laptop to be functional, I also want to have fun > getting it that way. Installing DOS is something I do every day at > work, it's time for a new challenge. There are a couple places I'd send you to. One is www.linuxdoc.org to take a look at the HOWTO's. Because you're going to use a laptop w/4 megs: http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/4mb-Laptops.html Since you plan on having it act as a router: http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Adv-Routing-HOWTO.html And a link that'll give you a basic understanding as to what happens when you boot your box (MUST READ): http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/From-PowerUp-To-Bash-Prompt-HOWTO.html Now, you should really follow the Linux Router Project: http://www.linuxrouter.org/ Your time might best be spent reading through the recent mailing list archives. There's a few setups of LRP to consider. There's a more extensive Guide on how to build Linux from Scratch (which is essentially what you're doing with LRP): http://www.linuxdoc.org/guides.html#lfs Good luck! -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Problem is for developers who are > hacknig in kernel space (like sistina) we are forced to tell people > that we only support stock kernels from an official kernel mirror. That's OK. Kernel hackers SHOULD only work on the main trunk from Linus. I think Red Hat needs to have their brains fsck'd, they're missing a few inode entries. > As far as distros are concerened I am about fed up with them all, I > am anxiously awaiting slack 7.2, debian's developers are making a > nasty habit of screwing things up lately and I am tired of dealing > with it. Wow. Idiot Ben's frustrated?! No way! ;-) I take it you're trying to run 'unstable', huh? Haven't you moved to 'testing'? The nice thing about Debian's 'testing' distribution is that there's a criteria of "success" for all packages being uploaded to 'unstable' before they migrate to 'testing'. Stable is just that, stable; based on a feature/software freeze. So, what's frustrating you about Debian? Have you learned how to create your own *.deb's yet? I've recently dedicated some time to it and found out just how slick the setup really is. The source uploads by developers mirrors many features of FreeBSD. The nice thing about Debian is that once the source upload has been received by the debian archive, it is verified, autocompiled, and checked for sanity before being added to 'unstable' as a binary. Granted, things slip by, as no automated system is fool proof. Still, it exhibits the 'diff' patching of upstream sources, just like FreeBSD's ports system. The difference is that the source is (typically) compiled by the Debian servers, although you can use it like the FreeBSD ports system. The only thing Debian needs to do to get the 'apt-get source --build' working "out-of-the-box" is to correctly specify the Build-Depends requirements. For example, if the Debian developer uploads a MySQL GUI front-end, an obvious Build-Depends value would be something like Build-Depends: libmysql-dev >> , libgtk-dev >> '-dev' packages are typically the headers files and development documentation. > hence the recent convert to freebsd (which is very slick) Hey, why not! ;-) -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010209/7b01c937/attachment.pgp From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Feb 9 11:12:54 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cron and php In-Reply-To: <20010202130140.E80287@sorry.cs.umn.edu>; from dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu on Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 01:01:40PM -0600 References: <20010202130140.E80287@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010209111254.K5273@wookimus.net> On Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 01:01:40PM -0600, dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > Why write it in php? Just write a script in shell or perl and then > run it from cron. I think this is a question of preference, really. You can certainly write PHP scripts to do the same thing that bash or perl scripts do. For that matter, you could write Python scripts. They are all incarnations of the same beast: automation through scripting. Most of them can be made executable through: #!/usr/bin/env Given that you have your ${PATH} include /usr/bin. Kind of nice. 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Sorry, ssh is already the newest version Andy Zbikowski wrote: > > http://razor.bindview.com/publish/advisories/adv_ssh1crc.html > > In Debian fashion, the OpenSSH package in Potato has allready been fixed. > OpenSSH prior to 2.3.0 is vulnerable. > > If you don't have the security sources in /etc/apt/sources.list: > deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free > deb-src http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free > > -- > Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com > LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 > 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 > Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 -- John Hawley BGEA/ITS <=> Network Admin 612.335.1334 jhawley@bgea.org From clay at fandre.com Fri Feb 9 11:46:37 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSH1 vulnerability References: <3A841299.2749FBF1@ltiflex.com> <3A842B11.AFAABC08@bgea.org> Message-ID: <3A842CFD.9972D44E@fandre.com> John Hawley wrote: > > eh? > > $ cat /etc/apt/sources.list > #deb ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/debian woody main contrib non-free > deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian woody main contrib non-free > deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib > non-free > deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security stable/updates main > contrib > non-free > > $ apt-get update > > $ dpkg --list |grep ssh > ii ssh 2.2.0p1-1.1 Secure rlogin/rsh/rcp replacement > (OpenSSH) > > $ apt-get install ssh > Reading Package Lists... > Building Dependency Tree... > Sorry, ssh is already the newest version > It's in the unstable branch. cfandre@spidey:/home/cfandre:501$ dpkg -l | grep ssh ii ssh 2.3.0p1-1.11 Secure rlogin/rsh/rcp replacement (OpenSSH) cfandre@spidey:/home/cfandre:502$ From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Feb 9 11:44:17 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:37 2005 Subject: brainstorming w/Ports(was Re: [TCLUG] problems with xterm in RedHat 6.1) In-Reply-To: <20010209112219.A1889@minime.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Fri, Feb 09, 2001 at 11:22:19AM -0600 References: <20010206190410.41194.qmail@web9615.mail.yahoo.com> <20010206135445.E531@minime.sistina.com> <20010209110146.J5273@wookimus.net> <20010209112219.A1889@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010209114417.L5273@wookimus.net> > True, but each package is compile for my system according to my > make.conf. This sounds really compelling. You're telling me that the make process for the entire system is tied into a base make.conf file in /etc? Sweet! hmm... *grind grind grind...ping* Let's say you have a 386/486 and don't really like the idea of having to compile your packages on your system; understandably so. If you had a FreeBSD compile farm that would take an upload of your make.conf and a status file of those packages you've currently installed, then create a build directory linkfarm (like the X build process), to create the binary for you. Let's say you do 'make offworld' to launch this process. ;-) Your request would get thrown into a queue and an email would be sent to you telling you your position on the queue and confirmation of your request. If you don't send in the confirmation, the compile process is ignored. If you do send it in, your request gets sent to the active queue. When the compile is finished, you are emailed the binaries. OK. Enough brainstorming. Back to work. Maybe I'll have to try out FreeBSD. ;-) -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The latest version of OpenSSH (v2.3.0) is already in woody/sid and isn't vulnerable. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: andyzb.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 367 bytes Desc: Card for Andy Zbikowski Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010209/4506569d/andyzb.vcf From andyzb at ltiflex.com Fri Feb 9 12:10:08 2001 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problems with xterm in RedHat 6.1 References: <20010206190410.41194.qmail@web9615.mail.yahoo.com> <20010206135445.E531@minime.sistina.com> <20010209110146.J5273@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <3A843280.86717DB9@ltiflex.com> > That's OK. Kernel hackers SHOULD only work on the main trunk from > Linus. I think Red Hat needs to have their brains fsck'd, they're > missing a few inode entries. Only a few? > Wow. Idiot Ben's frustrated?! No way! ;-) I take it you're trying > to run 'unstable', huh? Haven't you moved to 'testing'? The nice > thing about Debian's 'testing' distribution is that there's a criteria > of "success" for all packages being uploaded to 'unstable' before they > migrate to 'testing'. Stable is just that, stable; based on a > feature/software freeze. Testing isn't enough fun. Things just don't break often enough. > So, what's frustrating you about Debian? Have you learned how to > create your own *.deb's yet? Nope. I just use stow. ( http://www.gnu.org/software/stow/ ) It fits my needs. ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/stow/package-name-version make && make install cd /usr/local/stow stow package-name-version stow is simply a perl script that creates a bunch of symlinks for you in /usr/local/. To unstow, cd /usr/local/stow, stow -D package-name-version. Works great for avifile, gatter, gq, and xmms (darn Ximinan packages were segfaulting) I even got VMWare to work with stow. In some situations building your own packages is worth it. Building some NVidia debs along with a mesa-dev deb that doesn't conflict with the NVidia stuff would be useful. (Hmmm....installs package maintainer manual...) But hey, the nice part about stow is that it isn't a tool specific to Debian. :) -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: andyzb.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 367 bytes Desc: Card for Andy Zbikowski Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010209/38ad157c/andyzb.vcf From blayer at qwest.net Fri Feb 9 12:11:51 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [sistina] Sistina Impromptu Installfest In-Reply-To: References: <20010207171142.A3292@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010209120820.00a1cd60@pop.mpls.qwest.net> Hey Ben & all, No matter how it comes out, I'm in on this deal either way. Let me know what materializes.. I might even know something about Debian by then. PS I have a somewhat unusual Linux machine to bring to the next installfest ;) At 07:48 AM 2/8/01 -0600, you wrote: >Ben - great idea - I look forward to learning how to run Linux! Bill Oops, I just used Windows98! From seg at haxxed.com Fri Feb 9 13:16:15 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cygwin/XFree86 Message-ID: <3A8441FF.1050202@haxxed.com> I've been playing with this and I must say its Hella Cool. http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin/xfree/ Got it running at work on the NT4 box I have the pleasure of staring at 8hr a day at work. Colors are a bit whacked at 16bit color mode, doesn't want to do 32 or 24, but 8bit works. But then you have all the problems of running X in 8bit color. :P Alt-tabbing causes the alt and tab keys to get stuck in the X server, so you have to remember to hit alt and tab to unstick them when you come back to it. Now what I want is an xtermish thing for Win32. You know the "DOS" window that comes up when you run Win32 console apps? Is there hooks to replace that? Because the default thing sucks ass. No scrollback and nothing more than 80x24. If they could hook PuTTY into that I'd be all set. Or if xterm or rxvt would just work right (something weird with the localisation libs) and they got the X server running along side windows instead of a full screen app... From blutgens at sistina.com Fri Feb 9 14:29:25 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [sistina] Sistina Impromptu Installfest In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010209120820.00a1cd60@pop.mpls.qwest.net>; from blayer@qwest.net on Fri, Feb 09, 2001 at 12:11:51PM -0600 References: <20010207171142.A3292@minime.sistina.com> <5.0.2.1.0.20010209120820.00a1cd60@pop.mpls.qwest.net> Message-ID: <20010209142925.B664@minime.sistina.com> On Fri, Feb 09, 2001 at 12:11:51PM -0600, Bill Layer wrote: >Hey Ben & all, > >No matter how it comes out, I'm in on this deal either way. Let me know >what materializes.. >I might even know something about Debian by then. The next one will be here. Not the one on march 3rd or whatever, prolly one in June or July. > >PS I have a somewhat unusual Linux machine to bring to the next installfest ;) > >At 07:48 AM 2/8/01 -0600, you wrote: >>Ben - great idea - I look forward to learning how to run Linux! > >Bill >Oops, I just used Windows98! > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(or force a reversion back to stable in any other way...) Any ideas? -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- What the president of the Motion Picture Association of America says about taking away your constitutional rights: "I'm rather jubilant now. What Judge Kaplan did was blow away every one of these brittle and fragile rebuttals. He threw out fair use; he threw out reverse engineering; he threw out linking." - Jack Valenti, president of the Motion Picture Association of America. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ______ _ __ "If you don't have the freedom to use what you / ' ) ) own - then you do not own anything." / o ______ / / _ . . No apologies to Jack Valenti or the MPAA / <_/ / / < / (_; from seg@haxxed.com on Fri, Feb 09, 2001 at 01:16:15PM -0600 References: <3A8441FF.1050202@haxxed.com> Message-ID: <20010209150023.A21094@sherohman.org> On Fri, Feb 09, 2001 at 01:16:15PM -0600, Callum Lerwick wrote: > Now what I want is an xtermish thing for Win32. You know the "DOS" > window that comes up when you run Win32 console apps? Is there hooks to > replace that? Because the default thing sucks ass. No scrollback and > nothing more than 80x24. You can change its properties to be, e.g., 500 lines long, which will let you extend it to the height of your screen and give you a scrollback capability. I've also been able to do the same with CygWin's bash window. I can't give you more datails, as this was all done at my former place of employment and, unfortunately (yeah, right...), I no longer have access to an NT box. -- SGI products are used to create the 'Bugs' that entertain us in theatres and at home. - SGI job posting Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu Fri Feb 9 15:17:13 2001 From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cygwin/XFree86 Message-ID: <010209151713.20336a84@dcmir.med.umn.edu> Hi Right click on the top bar of the window and go into properties. Play with the buffer size in both options and layout until you get what you want. Ed Hoeffner 1-271 BSBE 312 Church St. SE Mpls, MN 55455 hoeffner@dcmir.med.umn.edu 612-625-2115 612-625-2163 fax From blutgens at sistina.com Fri Feb 9 15:42:57 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cygwin/XFree86 In-Reply-To: <20010209150023.A21094@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Fri, Feb 09, 2001 at 03:00:23PM -0600 References: <3A8441FF.1050202@haxxed.com> <20010209150023.A21094@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20010209154257.A1075@minime.sistina.com> On Fri, Feb 09, 2001 at 03:00:23PM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote: >On Fri, Feb 09, 2001 at 01:16:15PM -0600, Callum Lerwick wrote: >> Now what I want is an xtermish thing for Win32. You know the "DOS" >> window that comes up when you run Win32 console apps? Is there hooks to >> replace that? Because the default thing sucks ass. No scrollback and >> nothing more than 80x24. Cygwin comes with bash and stuff. > >You can change its properties to be, e.g., 500 lines long, which will let you >extend it to the height of your screen and give you a scrollback capability. >I've also been able to do the same with CygWin's bash window. > >I can't give you more datails, as this was all done at my former place of >employment and, unfortunately (yeah, right...), I no longer have access to >an NT box. > >-- >SGI products are used to create the 'Bugs' that entertain us in theatres >and at home. - SGI job posting >Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ >!K w---$ O M- V? 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(some people know this already, I'm sure, but I feel it helpful to point it out for those who don't). Michael Vieths Foeclan@Winternet.Com From jethro at freakzilla.com Fri Feb 9 16:15:29 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cygwin/XFree86 In-Reply-To: <20010209154257.A1075@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Fri, 9 Feb 2001, Ben Lutgens wrote: > Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details Tell them to fix the job page then. It doesn't list any jobs (: Ooh... I don't drink coffee. Nevermind... (; -Yaron -- From andy at theasis.com Fri Feb 9 16:48:00 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cygwin/XFree86 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Slightly off-subject, but in NT/2000 you can also enable tab completion by > searching through the registry for something called 'CompletionChar' and > setting it to '9'. (some people know this already, I'm sure, but I feel it > helpful to point it out for those who don't). Maybe it's just me, but that seems like trying to turn your skateboard into a firetruck by painting it red. Andy > > Michael Vieths > Foeclan@Winternet.Com From mlboyko at concentric.net Fri Feb 9 17:43:42 2001 From: mlboyko at concentric.net (Michael Boyko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Mac for sale Message-ID: <200102092344.SAA10317@newman.concentric.net> Hiya guys, I had purchased a Mac Quadra 610 with a nifty 19" radius black and white monitor a while ago. What I had *wanted* to do was put m68k linux on it....but I just never got around to it. Now I am going to be moving soon and I don't wanna lug that monitor around. I also don't want to have to dispose of it (it just WANTS to have linux on it). I am asking $30 OBO for the system, monitor, mouse, and keyboard. If you are interested, please email at mlboyko@concentric.net. ____ Mike From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Feb 9 18:28:56 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian / X11 questions... References: Message-ID: <3A848B48.65FD3F9E@tc.umn.edu> tim wrote: > > I updated a debian machine to the latest and greatest "unstable" tree, but > now I have noticed a problem. > > I am no longer able to redirect "X" sessions to my machine. Yes, I've > granted access to the remote machine(s) using "xhost", and I've even > tried setting xhost to - (disabling access protections). > > I still get an "unable to connect" message when I try redirection... > > It looks like a new security "feature" as been implemented, and I don't > know how to re-enable remote X sessions... Well, one thing to check is whether or not the X server actually has opened a port for listening. It might be that your system now listens on a different port (ie 6002 or :2.0) Try running `lsof -i' and/or `netstat -l' to check those possibilities -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Monday is an awful way to / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ spend 1/7th of your life. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From tanner at real-time.com Sat Feb 10 01:53:36 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bash and piping stderr and stdout to less? Message-ID: <20010210015336.L29354@real-time.com> Ok, I am a tcsh user, so how do I pipe stderr and stdout to less? tcsh% command |& less bash% command ?? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From cbidler at talkware.net Sat Feb 10 01:59:55 2001 From: cbidler at talkware.net (Helper Monkey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bash and piping stderr and stdout to less? References: <20010210015336.L29354@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3A84F4FA.8862BC86@talkware.net> You have to redirect stderr to stdout, and then pipe. I'm not 100% on the syntax, since it's three arcane symbols in a row with no good mnemonic, but I seem to recall that it's one of: 2&>1 | less 2>&1 | less I'll be online for a bit; let me know if it works! Bob Tanner wrote: > > Ok, I am a tcsh user, so how do I pipe stderr and stdout to less? > > tcsh% command |& less > > bash% command > > ?? > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- <------------------------Chris H. Bidler, Internet Helper Monkey-------------------------> The drive banged 3-4 times the head against its endrun, maybe to BE SURE it was there ... "*Beep TAka TAka TAka TAka -whirr- ..." -- simulated persona = "The Cube", node #251, of http://www.forum2000.org From tanner at real-time.com Sat Feb 10 02:06:23 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bash and piping stderr and stdout to less? In-Reply-To: <3A84F4FA.8862BC86@talkware.net>; from cbidler@talkware.net on Sat, Feb 10, 2001 at 01:59:55AM -0600 References: <20010210015336.L29354@real-time.com> <3A84F4FA.8862BC86@talkware.net> Message-ID: <20010210020623.M29354@real-time.com> Quoting Helper Monkey (cbidler@talkware.net): > You have to redirect stderr to stdout, and then pipe. I'm not 100% on the > syntax, since it's three arcane symbols in a row with no good mnemonic, but > I seem to recall that it's one of: > > 2&>1 | less > 2>&1 | less > > I'll be online for a bit; let me know if it works! Works. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jethro at freakzilla.com Sat Feb 10 02:22:32 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GTK themes? Message-ID: Hi there, Well, I started playing around with GTK themes. I tried Marble3d and the IRIX-theme (goes with 5Dwm!). Both of them slow the HELL out off most apps and even make some crash! Anyone have any positive experiences? -Yaron -- From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Sat Feb 10 11:45:46 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GTK themes? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 10 Feb 2001, Yaron wrote: > Well, I started playing around with GTK themes. I tried Marble3d and the > IRIX-theme (goes with 5Dwm!). Both of them slow the HELL out off most apps > and even make some crash! Anyone have any positive experiences? Yes, but that's not important now. Oh, you mean with themes? Dunno... -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Sat Feb 10 11:45:46 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GTK themes? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 10 Feb 2001, Yaron wrote: > Well, I started playing around with GTK themes. I tried Marble3d and the > IRIX-theme (goes with 5Dwm!). Both of them slow the HELL out off most apps > and even make some crash! Anyone have any positive experiences? Yes, but that's not important now. Oh, you mean with themes? Dunno... -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From jeffr at odeon.net Sat Feb 10 16:15:10 2001 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question about hardware In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm thinking of picking up a 3ware Escalade 6200 PCI EIDE card for a linux box. The goal is to set up a mirror and boot from it. Anyone have any experience with these cards under linux? http://www.3ware.com/products/linux3ware.shtml Thanks, Jeff From jethro at freakzilla.com Sat Feb 10 19:12:20 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] xset r rate on X4.0.2? Message-ID: Hi, Can anyone running X 4.0.2 please run "xset r rate 6 60" ? I get segfault. Worked fine on X 4.0.1. The manpage says you need to have the "misc" extention, or XKB. Which doesn't help me much. Barring that, anyoe know a different way to get keyboard repeat rate changed in X? -Yaron -- From andyzib at ringworld.org Sat Feb 10 19:59:46 2001 From: andyzib at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GTK themes? References: Message-ID: <3A85F212.DDC9207B@ringworld.org> Avoid Pixmap themes like the plauge. For best performance use the engine themes. For decent performance use engine based themes. Just say no to pixmap themes. :) -- | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | | This message is protected by double ROT13 | | encryption. Any attempt to circumvent the | | digital protection is banned by the DMCA. | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: andyzib.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 2268 bytes Desc: Card for Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010210/c4296c06/andyzib.vcf From spencer at sihope.com Mon Feb 12 17:46:34 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (Spencer Underground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel Questions References: <200102101819.f1AIJul09102@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <3A8875DA.1894721A@sihope.com> > I am obviously a newbie, because I am asking such rudimentary questions. My > first concerns the act of (re)compiling the kernel. I have been doing some reading on the matter. What is unclear to me at this point is what actually constitutes compiling the kernel. For example, if I change some parameters in my XF86config file, did I just recompile the kernel? If I reconfigure LILO, did I recompile. Does complilation only refer to the vmlinuz file? My understanding is this, the conf files are all a modular part of the core kernel that is loaded at boot (vmlinuz). So by this understanding, anytime I modify or add any configuration file, I just recompiled the kernel. I would sure appreciate any wisdom on this topic. I am very much looking forward to the installfest that is coming up. -Spencer Underground From esper at sherohman.org Sun Feb 11 12:13:00 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel Questions In-Reply-To: <3A8875DA.1894721A@sihope.com>; from spencer@sihope.com on Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 03:46:34PM -0800 References: <200102101819.f1AIJul09102@sprite.real-time.com> <3A8875DA.1894721A@sihope.com> Message-ID: <20010211121259.A19537@sherohman.org> On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 03:46:34PM -0800, Spencer Underground wrote: > if I change > some parameters in my XF86config file, did I just recompile the kernel? No. The configuration options you set using `make config` (or meunconfig or xconfig) are used to control the compilation process. If you set option X to on, the relevant code is compiled into the kernel; if it is off, the code is not put into the kernel. Once vmlinuz has been built, the config files are never referenced again unless you use them as a set of baseline settings for a future kernel build. > If I reconfigure LILO, did I recompile. No. The lilo config just tells the system where to find the kernel during the startup process. > Does complilation only refer to the vmlinuz file? "Compilation" refers to the process of _creating_ vmlinuz. From a non-programmer's viewpoint, "compiling" generally means "using the make command". In the course of building a kernel, I generally use make 5 times: make menuconfig - compiles the menu-based configuration program and runs it make clean - deletes old files make bzImage - compiles the kernel make modules - compiles any modules I've configured make modules_install - copies new modules to correct locations A more accurate way to know when you're compiling is to watch for messages that look like gcc -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -DLOCALE -DCURSES_LOC="" -c -o lxdialog.o lxdialog.c gcc is the GNU C compiler. If gcc is invoked, you're compiling. If it isn't, you're not. (More or less. gcc can do a couple other things and there are other compilers out there. But, for most users under Linux, this rule holds true well over 90% of the time.) -- SGI products are used to create the 'Bugs' that entertain us in theatres and at home. - SGI job posting Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From blutgens at sistina.com Sun Feb 11 12:39:58 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel Questions In-Reply-To: <3A8875DA.1894721A@sihope.com>; from spencer@sihope.com on Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 03:46:34PM -0800 References: <200102101819.f1AIJul09102@sprite.real-time.com> <3A8875DA.1894721A@sihope.com> Message-ID: <20010211123958.A2269@minime.sistina.com> On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 03:46:34PM -0800, Spencer Underground wrote: >> I am obviously a newbie, because I am asking such rudimentary questions. My >> first concerns the read the kernel how-to at linux documentation project homepage. > >act of (re)compiling the kernel. I have been doing some reading on the matter. >What is unclear >to me at this point is what actually constitutes compiling the kernel. For >example, if I change >some parameters in my XF86config file, did I just recompile the kernel? If I >reconfigure >LILO, did I recompile. Does complilation only refer to the vmlinuz file? My >understanding is this, >the conf files are all a modular part of the core kernel that is loaded at boot >(vmlinuz). So by this >understanding, anytime I modify or add any configuration file, I just recompiled >the kernel. I would >sure appreciate any wisdom on this topic. >I am very much looking forward to the installfest that is coming up. > >-Spencer Underground > > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010211/44d1887b/attachment.pgp From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Sun Feb 11 13:27:19 2001 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question about hardware In-Reply-To: ; from jeffr@odeon.net on Sat, Feb 10, 2001 at 04:15:10PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20010211132719.A4426@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Sure, I have a 6400. Works great. 3ware officially supports RedHat and SuSE, but you can get the source for the driver as well and patch your kernel against it. They're incredibly fast cards. I have 4 ata-100 45 GB IBM GXP drives on mine... it's damned fast :) Gabe On Sat, Feb 10, 2001 at 04:15:10PM -0600, jeffr@odeon.net wrote: > > I'm thinking of picking up a 3ware Escalade 6200 PCI EIDE card for a linux > box. The goal is to set up a mirror and boot from it. Anyone have any > experience with these cards under linux? > > http://www.3ware.com/products/linux3ware.shtml > > Thanks, > > Jeff > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "No sir, I don't like it!" - Mr. Horse in "Fire Dogs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From austad at marketwatch.com Sun Feb 11 14:12:59 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] #@%^ DNS/NAT Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109472@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> You can't do that. At least not with Bind 8.x. NAT + DNS servers do not mix. I heard Bind 9.x was supposed to have support for it but I haven't tried it. You might also have a look at djbdns (http://cr.yp.to), maybe it can do it. In any case, djbdns is probably more secure than Bind anyway. I've alway just stuck my dns boxen outside and made sure they were secured properly. DON'T run named as root! chroot it and run as a non-priveledged user. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Raun [mailto:sraun@fireopal.org] > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 6:47 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] #@%^ DNS/NAT > > > On Thu, Feb 08, 2001 at 12:40:28AM -0600, Yaron wrote: > > > > Is anyone running their own DNS on a mchine sitting behind > a Cisco 675 > > which is doing static NAT? If so, feel like helping me test > a theory? > > Not yet, but it's on my "to do sometime" list. If you confirm a > problem, please let me know? If you don't get a volunteer before > Sunday, you might ask me again. I may have a block of time available > then. Oh, yeah - I may know someone too. > > -- > Scott Raun > sraun@fireopal.org > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jethro at freakzilla.com Sun Feb 11 14:44:21 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] #@%^ DNS/NAT In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109472@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: Hi, On Sun, 11 Feb 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > You can't do that. At least not with Bind 8.x. NAT + DNS servers do not > mix. I was running BIND8 behind NAT for a while with no problems. Where can I read about this apparent problem? > I heard Bind 9.x was supposed to have support for it but I haven't > tried it. What exactly is there to support? Someone says "Hi, who's www.yaron.org?" and you tell them the IP address. Doesn't matter where they came from. I need more information! Either way, I'm using bind9. > You might also have a look at djbdns (http://cr.yp.to), I did. Couldn't get it to work, didn't try very hard. I already regret using qmail for so long, because it made me slightly less marketable (; And djb is a PRICK. I'm sorry, but he is. "Oh, to use djbdns you need MYT daemon launching utilitues (cause rc.d isn't good enough) and you need MY tcpserver (cause [x]inetd isn't good enough) and you need to make a /services (cause I never heard of /var/run)" etc. etc. > I've alway just stuck my dns boxen outside and made sure they were secured > properly. Well, if I had an outside, I'd try that (: -Yaron -- From ben at nerp.net Sun Feb 11 15:51:54 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] openoffice Message-ID: hey.. I'm playing with openoffice 614, and for the life of me, printing is screwed up.. I found the docs on Xprt, for staroffice, but I'm not finding anything usefull with redhat7 Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." From austad at marketwatch.com Sun Feb 11 21:01:38 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] #@%^ DNS/NAT Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109473@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> > > I was running BIND8 behind NAT for a while with no problems. > Where can I > read about this apparent problem? > I tried setting one up awhile back and couldn't get it to work. It didn't think it was authoritative or something. It had something to do with the payload of the query packet. I posted a message to some bind mailing list and was told that I needed to move it outside the firewall or it wouldn't work. I just searched all over for docs on it but couldn't find any. Maybe I'm wrong, wouldn't be the first time. :) > > > I heard Bind 9.x was supposed to have support for it but I haven't > > tried it. > > What exactly is there to support? Someone says "Hi, who's > www.yaron.org?" > and you tell them the IP address. Doesn't matter where they > came from. I > need more information! > > Either way, I'm using bind9. > > > You might also have a look at djbdns (http://cr.yp.to), > > I did. Couldn't get it to work, didn't try very hard. I already regret > using qmail for so long, because it made me slightly less > marketable (; > > And djb is a PRICK. I'm sorry, but he is. "Oh, to use djbdns > you need MYT > daemon launching utilitues (cause rc.d isn't good enough) and > you need MY > tcpserver (cause [x]inetd isn't good enough) and you need to make a > /services (cause I never heard of /var/run)" etc. etc. > > > I've alway just stuck my dns boxen outside and made sure > they were secured > > properly. > > Well, if I had an outside, I'd try that (: > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jethro at freakzilla.com Sun Feb 11 21:08:05 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] #@%^ DNS/NAT In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109473@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: Hi, On Sun, 11 Feb 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > I tried setting one up awhile back and couldn't get it to work. It didn't > think it was authoritative or something. I'm having the exact opposite problem. It's telling everyone it's authoritative for EVERYTHING it has, including secondaries, and everyone's BELIEVING it. And it's giving off the wrong addresses. In fact, it seems like it only knows ONE IP address. If you ask for a host it knows (primary, secondary, whatever) it'll give that IP address. Always. Bind8 and Bind9. -Yaron -- From sraun at fireopal.org Sun Feb 11 22:16:32 2001 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] #@%^ DNS/NAT In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Sun, Feb 11, 2001 at 02:44:21PM -0600 References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109472@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010211221632.A19187@iaxs.net> On Sun, Feb 11, 2001 at 02:44:21PM -0600, Yaron wrote: > On Sun, 11 Feb 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > > I've alway just stuck my dns boxen outside and made sure they were secured > > properly. > > Well, if I had an outside, I'd try that (: I'm told that with a sufficiently current version of CBOS, you can do that. Basically, you tell your ISP you need two IP addresses - one for the Cisco, one for the inside PC. You tell the Cisco (which has to be running the aforementioned 'sufficiently current version') that all traffic to IP address x.x.x.x is allowed through, and it does. If you really want it, I can dig out the minimum version of CBOS and the technobabble - I don't remember exactly what Cisco calls it, but one of my friends is doing it. -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Sun Feb 11 22:43:42 2001 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ReiserFS Message-ID: <20010211224342.A5011@sorry.cs.umn.edu> I know a lot of people on the list have played with ReiserFS, so maybe some of you have seen my problem before. I had a few spare moments this weekend and decided to play with the 2.4.1 kernel and ReiserFS. I've got ReiserFS support compiled in and I downloaded, compiled and installed the newest reiserfs-utils. I have a RAID and I had a have a spare 50 GB partition laying around, so I figured, what the hell :) Anyway, mkreiserfs went without a hitch: ATTENTION: ALL DATA WILL BE LOST ON '/dev/sda6'! (y/n)y journal size 8192 (from 18) Initializing journal - 0%....20%....40%....60%....80%....100% Syncing..done. but I can't mount the drive # mount /dev/sda6 /mnt/reiser mount: /dev/sda6 has wrong major or minor number When I look at this partition in fdisk, it has a ext2 type (because I set it that way at one point), and there is no option to set the label to ReiserFS. Any help figuring this out would be greatly appreciated. TIA, Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "If a god of love and life ever did exist, he's long since dead... Someone, some _thing_, rules in his place." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From blutgens at sistina.com Sun Feb 11 22:57:47 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ReiserFS In-Reply-To: <20010211224342.A5011@sorry.cs.umn.edu>; from dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu on Sun, Feb 11, 2001 at 10:43:42PM -0600 References: <20010211224342.A5011@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010211225747.B443@minime.sistina.com> On Sun, Feb 11, 2001 at 10:43:42PM -0600, dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: >I know a lot of people on the list have played with ReiserFS, so maybe some >of you have seen my problem before. I had a few spare moments this weekend >and decided to play with the 2.4.1 kernel and ReiserFS. I've got ReiserFS >support compiled in and I downloaded, compiled and installed the newest >reiserfs-utils. I have a RAID and I had a have a spare 50 GB partition >laying around, so I figured, what the hell :) Anyway, mkreiserfs went >without a hitch: Software RAID or HW RAID? It matters, there are some locking issues with certain types of software RAID and journaled filesystems. > >ATTENTION: ALL DATA WILL BE LOST ON '/dev/sda6'! (y/n)y >journal size 8192 (from 18) >Initializing journal - 0%....20%....40%....60%....80%....100% >Syncing..done. > >but I can't mount the drive > ># mount /dev/sda6 /mnt/reiser >mount: /dev/sda6 has wrong major or minor number A quote from reiserfs.org FAQ "I get the following message: mount: /dev/hda5 has wrong major or minor number reiserfs is not compiled in and not available as a module." Sure you're booting with the right kernel? I've built kernels before and didn't run lilo on them and had this happen. > >When I look at this partition in fdisk, it has a ext2 type (because I set >it that way at one point), and there is no option to set the label to >ReiserFS. No. > >Any help figuring this out would be greatly appreciated. >TIA, > >Gabe > >-- >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Gabe Turner | X-President, >UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery >U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta >Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > >"If a god of love and life ever did exist, he's long since dead... > Someone, some _thing_, rules in his place." > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Try `mount -t reiserfs /dev/sda6 /mnt/reiser' -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Error: Such action is / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ punishable by death. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Feb 12 00:35:11 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ReiserFS In-Reply-To: <3A877FA0.D2667317@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 12:16:00AM -0600 References: <20010211224342.A5011@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <3A877FA0.D2667317@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010212003511.A1892@minime.sistina.com> On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 12:16:00AM -0600, Michael Hicks wrote: >dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: >> >[snip] >> but I can't mount the drive >> >> # mount /dev/sda6 /mnt/reiser >> mount: /dev/sda6 has wrong major or minor number > >I've seen this before: Linux can't autodetect ReiserFS for some >reason. Try `mount -t reiserfs /dev/sda6 /mnt/reiser' like all things, you need to have kernel module autoloader support and the appropriate version of modutils, as well as the right entries in the config files for modutils (modules.conf usually) Mine recognizes it fine. > >-- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Error: Such action is >/ \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ punishable by death. >\_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) >[ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010212/92d4896e/attachment.pgp From tanner at real-time.com Mon Feb 12 03:46:52 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OpenGL vs Mesa Message-ID: <20010212034652.A19955@real-time.com> I might be missing something here, but what is the difference between OpenGL and Mesa? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From clay at fandre.com Mon Feb 12 04:48:19 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OpenGL vs Mesa References: <20010212034652.A19955@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3A87BF73.8DECB035@fandre.com> Mesa is a free implementation of the OpenGL library, which is licensed by SGI. More info on their website: http://www.mesa3d.org/ Bob Tanner wrote: > > I might be missing something here, but what is the difference between OpenGL and > Mesa? > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Mon Feb 12 07:44:57 2001 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ReiserFS In-Reply-To: <20010211225747.B443@minime.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Sun, Feb 11, 2001 at 10:57:47PM -0600 References: <20010211224342.A5011@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <20010211225747.B443@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010212074457.A5727@sorry.cs.umn.edu> On Sun, Feb 11, 2001 at 10:57:47PM -0600, Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Sun, Feb 11, 2001 at 10:43:42PM -0600, dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > >I know a lot of people on the list have played with ReiserFS, so maybe some > >of you have seen my problem before. I had a few spare moments this weekend > >and decided to play with the 2.4.1 kernel and ReiserFS. I've got ReiserFS > >support compiled in and I downloaded, compiled and installed the newest > >reiserfs-utils. I have a RAID and I had a have a spare 50 GB partition > >laying around, so I figured, what the hell :) Anyway, mkreiserfs went > >without a hitch: > > Software RAID or HW RAID? It matters, there are some locking issues with > certain types of software RAID and journaled filesystems. It's hardware RAID. > > > > >ATTENTION: ALL DATA WILL BE LOST ON '/dev/sda6'! (y/n)y > >journal size 8192 (from 18) > >Initializing journal - 0%....20%....40%....60%....80%....100% > >Syncing..done. > > > >but I can't mount the drive > > > ># mount /dev/sda6 /mnt/reiser > >mount: /dev/sda6 has wrong major or minor number > > A quote from reiserfs.org FAQ > "I get the following message: > > mount: /dev/hda5 has wrong major or minor number > > reiserfs is not compiled in and not available as a module." > > Sure you're booting with the right kernel? I've built kernels before and > didn't run lilo on them and had this happen. > Well, shortly after I sent out my message, I threw up my hands and tried rebooting and was then able to mount the partition. I rebooted to the same kernel that I was using before the reboot, so it must have just been something weird. Who knows. Thanks for the info, none the less. Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "My dinosaur droppings! Painted like Easter eggs!" - Ren Hoek in "Sven Hoek" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Feb 12 08:13:28 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ReiserFS References: <20010211224342.A5011@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <3A877FA0.D2667317@tc.umn.edu> <20010212003511.A1892@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <3A87EF88.F23CAA2F@tc.umn.edu> Ben Lutgens wrote: > > like all things, you need to have kernel module autoloader support and the > appropriate version of modutils, as well as the right entries in the config > files for modutils (modules.conf usually) > > Mine recognizes it fine. *shrug* ReiserFS support is compiled into my kernel.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Bills travel through the / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ mail at twice the speed \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) of checks. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From veldy at veldy.net Mon Feb 12 08:12:55 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ReiserFS References: <20010211224342.A5011@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <001301c094fd$e55bcf90$3028680a@tgt.com> mount -t reiserfs /dev/sda6 /mnt/reiser Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 10:43 PM Subject: [TCLUG] ReiserFS > I know a lot of people on the list have played with ReiserFS, so maybe some > of you have seen my problem before. I had a few spare moments this weekend > and decided to play with the 2.4.1 kernel and ReiserFS. I've got ReiserFS > support compiled in and I downloaded, compiled and installed the newest > reiserfs-utils. I have a RAID and I had a have a spare 50 GB partition > laying around, so I figured, what the hell :) Anyway, mkreiserfs went > without a hitch: > > ATTENTION: ALL DATA WILL BE LOST ON '/dev/sda6'! (y/n)y > journal size 8192 (from 18) > Initializing journal - 0%....20%....40%....60%....80%....100% > Syncing..done. > > but I can't mount the drive > > # mount /dev/sda6 /mnt/reiser > mount: /dev/sda6 has wrong major or minor number > > When I look at this partition in fdisk, it has a ext2 type (because I set > it that way at one point), and there is no option to set the label to > ReiserFS. > > Any help figuring this out would be greatly appreciated. > > TIA, > > Gabe > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > Gabe Turner | X-President, > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > "If a god of love and life ever did exist, he's long since dead... > Someone, some _thing_, rules in his place." > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From veldy at veldy.net Mon Feb 12 08:14:06 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ReiserFS References: <20010211224342.A5011@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <3A877FA0.D2667317@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <002201c094fe$0f987e70$3028680a@tgt.com> Because it uses the same filesystem keys (from fdisk) that ext2 does - so it tries to mount an ext2 filesystem. They will eventually change this I think. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Hicks" To: Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 12:16 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] ReiserFS > dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > > > [snip] > > but I can't mount the drive > > > > # mount /dev/sda6 /mnt/reiser > > mount: /dev/sda6 has wrong major or minor number > > I've seen this before: Linux can't autodetect ReiserFS for some > reason. Try `mount -t reiserfs /dev/sda6 /mnt/reiser' > > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Error: Such action is > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ punishable by death. > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From veldy at veldy.net Mon Feb 12 08:15:02 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ReiserFS References: <20010211224342.A5011@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <20010211225747.B443@minime.sistina.com> <20010212074457.A5727@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <003501c094fe$31074d20$3028680a@tgt.com> Perhaps you needed to run: depmod -a Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Ben Lutgens" ; Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 7:44 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] ReiserFS > On Sun, Feb 11, 2001 at 10:57:47PM -0600, Ben Lutgens wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 11, 2001 at 10:43:42PM -0600, dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > > >I know a lot of people on the list have played with ReiserFS, so maybe some > > >of you have seen my problem before. I had a few spare moments this weekend > > >and decided to play with the 2.4.1 kernel and ReiserFS. I've got ReiserFS > > >support compiled in and I downloaded, compiled and installed the newest > > >reiserfs-utils. I have a RAID and I had a have a spare 50 GB partition > > >laying around, so I figured, what the hell :) Anyway, mkreiserfs went > > >without a hitch: > > > > Software RAID or HW RAID? It matters, there are some locking issues with > > certain types of software RAID and journaled filesystems. > > It's hardware RAID. > > > > > > > > >ATTENTION: ALL DATA WILL BE LOST ON '/dev/sda6'! (y/n)y > > >journal size 8192 (from 18) > > >Initializing journal - 0%....20%....40%....60%....80%....100% > > >Syncing..done. > > > > > >but I can't mount the drive > > > > > ># mount /dev/sda6 /mnt/reiser > > >mount: /dev/sda6 has wrong major or minor number > > > > A quote from reiserfs.org FAQ > > "I get the following message: > > > > mount: /dev/hda5 has wrong major or minor number > > > > reiserfs is not compiled in and not available as a module." > > > > Sure you're booting with the right kernel? I've built kernels before and > > didn't run lilo on them and had this happen. > > > > Well, shortly after I sent out my message, I threw up my hands and tried > rebooting and was then able to mount the partition. I rebooted to the same > kernel that I was using before the reboot, so it must have just been > something weird. Who knows. Thanks for the info, none the less. > > Gabe > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > Gabe Turner | X-President, > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > "My dinosaur droppings! Painted like Easter eggs!" > - Ren Hoek in "Sven Hoek" > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dan at williamsongraphics.com Mon Feb 12 09:42:12 2001 From: dan at williamsongraphics.com (dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Kernel Questions References: <200102120637.f1C6bEl08444@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <3A880454.D7F78F94@williamsongraphics.com> If you are a newbie at recompiling the Kernel, I suggest you use make xconfig while in KDE/Gnome. You also need to be in /usr/src/linux and then type make xconfig. There are little help buttons to tell you what those certain items are used for. Then when you are finished, it asks you to type in make dep, type this in: make dep clean bzImage modules modules_install This will do everything without you having to type in make "whatever" every few minutes. ; ) A good idea would be to check out one of the HOWTO's. With bzImage, doesn't it put it the new Kernel in / ? You would then have to drag it to your /boot directory and then /sbin/lilo it so that it recognizes the new one. It is also a good idea to save the old kernel, in case the new one is "broken". That way you will still be able to boot into Linux. Hope this helps. dan From wilson at visi.com Mon Feb 12 10:03:06 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Kernel Questions In-Reply-To: <3A880454.D7F78F94@williamsongraphics.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, dan wrote: > If you are a newbie at recompiling the Kernel, I suggest you use make > xconfig while in KDE/Gnome. You also need to be in /usr/src/linux and > then type make xconfig. There are little help buttons to tell you what > those certain items are used for. Then when you are finished, it asks > you to type in make dep, type this in: > > make dep clean bzImage modules modules_install Don't forget that the current recommendation is to compile the kernel as a regular user. I've created a 'src' in my home directory where I put all the kernel sources. You have to change to root to do the 'make modules_install' and to copy the bzImage to /boot. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ From esper at sherohman.org Mon Feb 12 11:04:55 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Kernel Questions In-Reply-To: <3A880454.D7F78F94@williamsongraphics.com>; from dan@williamsongraphics.com on Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 09:42:12AM -0600 References: <200102120637.f1C6bEl08444@sprite.real-time.com> <3A880454.D7F78F94@williamsongraphics.com> Message-ID: <20010212110455.A2909@sherohman.org> On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 09:42:12AM -0600, dan wrote: > A good idea would be to check out one of the HOWTO's. With bzImage, > doesn't it put it the new Kernel in / ? No. `make bzImage` deposits the new kernel in /arch/i386/boot, assuming you're on an x86-based machine. Replace i386 with the appropriate architecture tag if you're using something else. -- SGI products are used to create the 'Bugs' that entertain us in theatres and at home. - SGI job posting Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From andyzb at ltiflex.com Mon Feb 12 11:20:51 2001 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Kernel Questions (Or, what is Linux?) References: Message-ID: <3A881B73.CE9A22DF@ltiflex.com> This is probally oversimplified and incorrect on one level or another, but this list is open discussion, so these comments may be freely modified and what have you. The Linux kernel is a part of your Linux OS, I'd say you wouldn't have an OS with out it, but the kernel by itself is not the OS. From the kernel you get support for you hardware (drivers for your ethernet, modems, printer ports, agp, scsi, hard disks, filesystems, etc...), but without tools like cp, mount, mkfs, fsck, etc, the kernel is pretty worthless. (from the end-user perspective anyway.) In the case of Linux the OS itself is pretty basic. Consider a complete Linux OS to be something containing all the tools you need to boot, login to, and install software. For the sake of argument, this is a pretty useless system. (Compare it to a plain DOS install.) So, all you have is the kernel, a handful of admin tools, a shell, package management tools (apt, dpkg, rpm), probally perl, and a small editor. (nvi, elvis, ae). At this point there is nothing really useful, but you are to the point where you can install the real useful stuff like XFree86, development tools, GNOME, etc. This kind of seperation is good and bad. Good in that it makes Linux very flexible. It's easy to get a headless webserver or a X-based workstation from this point. (Most users won't actually see just this as various distribution installers tend to hide this from the user, more on distros later...) Bad in that it may just scare the new user who, *GASP* have never used a command line only os. But hey, I'm all for scaring users. Break the mold, not every system has to have a pretty face. So there you have a very ruff definition of the Linux Operating System. Now we move on to a Linux Distribution. Distro War all you want, but what a Distribution boils down to is Linux OS bundled with all the software you could ever want and then some. (Well, I'm sure you'll find some excetions.) Software including dev tools, webservers, Xservers, Xclients, etc. Each distribution has different ways of installing, package managment, administration, and what have you. Some things are common, some things should be more common across Linux distributions (See Linux Standards Base, a totally seperate rant. :) So now we've got a ruff idea of what we're dealing with. So, why is it that we have to compile this kernel thing and how do we go about doing so? Well, quite often you don't have to compile the kernel. Your distribution prepackages pre-compiled kernels that have just about every option turned on (or at least compiled as modules) so you should have a rather functional kernel out of the box. Some situations call for a new kernel to be compiled. New versions of the kernel support new hardware, and other new features such as ReiserFS. And then theres the geekish drive to run the latest and greatest, so we compile a new kernel! The first thing to do is to get your kernel source code from ftp.us.kernel.org (or a mirror). The latest kernel is 2.4.1. Most people are probally still running on a 2.2 series kernel. (For most a 2.2 series kernel is just dandy anyway.) You'll want to get 2.2.18 unless there is something preventing you from going to this kernel (RedHat + Dell often ship biniary only drivers for Adaptec RAID cards. Other hardware vendors may only support certin versions of the kernel, other stuff like that.) So you have your kernel source, the next step is to extract it. The debate as to where has been going on for some time now, and I've mentioned this in the past. Linus says that the kernel source should be extracted to a users home directory and compiled there as a normal user and should be installed by root. (For fear of overwriting the header glibc was compiled agnist.) Most distributions put these headers in /usr/lib/include, and thus invalidating the /usr/src/ arguement. In most cases, it is safe to extract and compile kernel source in /usr/src. Doing it as a normal user or as root is a matter of personal preference. I usually use fakeroot (as a normal user) to build a Debianized kernel package, and install said package as root. In the end, the easiest way is to just logon as root and do it. So your sitting in /usr/src/linux Now what? Well, go with these two options. make menuconfig or make xconfig Use menuconfig to use the curses based kernel configuration. xconfig will throw you into the xbased configuration, but if you don't have a good grasp of how X works you probally want to stick with the curses based config. (Some distributions prevent root from logging in via XDM/KDM/GDM.) Here again the root/non-root arguement comes into play. Well, get your kernel configured. In X, you will probally see a bunch of ? buttons leading to "help." In the curses config, hit the ? key to bring up the help. Not all paramaters are documented however. So you've configured your kernel source. Time to compile. I belive the correct sequence is make dep && make clean && make bzImage && make modules && make modules_install This process compiles the C source code into a biniary kernel. This would be the actual compilation process. The rest is configuration and installation. I perfer to use Debian's make-kpkg. Again, this is my personal preference, but it's kinda nice to lump all of the above into one command. You should also backup your current kernel by moving it to a new location. (mv /boot/vmlinuz-2.2.14 /boot/vmlinuz-2.2.14.old or something.) Usually the /vmlinuz and /vmlinuz.old files are sym links to files under /boot. Lilo usually references the /vmlinuz file however. (I perfer to reference /boot/vmlinuz-version in lilo.conf and remove the /vmlinuz* sym links on /) A basic lilo.conf entry may look something like this: image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.2.18 label=2.2.18 (Perhaps you will have other options such as the root device. I don't, I have stuff like that defined on a global basis instead of a per-kernel basis.) After editing and saving lilo.conf, run lilo as root. Now the moment of truth is opon you. Will your system boot on the new kernel? Cross your fingers and give your box the three fingure salute. (Do both at the same time for bonus points.) Well, hopefully that cleared some things up. Maybe it added to the confusion. Maybe parts were just plain wrong. Feel free to add to the discussion. :) -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Feel free to add to the >discussion. :) > >-- >Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com >LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 >21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 >Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010212/a41c8819/attachment.pgp From andyzb at ltiflex.com Mon Feb 12 11:52:44 2001 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Kernel Questions (Or, what is Linux?) References: <3A881B73.CE9A22DF@ltiflex.com> <20010212114757.A1928@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <3A8822EC.B35E48F9@ltiflex.com> > > You should have just pointed to the kernel how-to.... > Heh..it's been done. Never read the kernel how-to myself...hmmm... -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: andyzb.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 367 bytes Desc: Card for Andy Zbikowski Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010212/2f641448/andyzb.vcf From spencer at sihope.com Mon Feb 12 14:18:31 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (spencer@sihope.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel Questions Message-ID: <200102121822.MAA18283@unix1.sihope.com> Thanks for the consice input. That certainly was the nudge of knowledged I needed to get on the right track. Now I just have to find the time to play. -Spencer Underground Spencer mailto:spencer@sihope.com Download NeoPlanet at http://www.neoplanet.com From jacque at fruitioninc.com Mon Feb 12 12:40:39 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Here you have, ;o) Message-ID: <00c501c09523$4cee8d30$0200000a@geekstuff> Hi: Check This! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: AnnaKournikova.jpg.vbs Type: application/octet-stream Size: 2824 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010212/ff75e1d9/AnnaKournikova.jpg.obj From duncan at sodatrain.com Mon Feb 12 12:53:05 2001 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Here you have, ;o) In-Reply-To: <00c501c09523$4cee8d30$0200000a@geekstuff> Message-ID: VIRUS! check you systems and let your admin (if youre not it) know abot this.... On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Jacqueline Urick wrote: > Hi: > Check This! > -- || || || || || || duncan shannon .-. duncan@sodatrain.com /v\ // \\ /( )\ L I N U X ^^-^^ >Phear the Penguin< From heilja at dbsource.com Mon Feb 12 12:43:40 2001 From: heilja at dbsource.com (Joseph Heil) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Here you have, ;o) In-Reply-To: <00c101c09523$4b1b05b0$0200000a@geekstuff>; from jacque@fruitioninc.com on Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 12:40:36PM -0600 References: <00c101c09523$4b1b05b0$0200000a@geekstuff> Message-ID: <20010212124340.A722@master.dbsource.com> Does this look like a virus or what..... Quoting Jacqueline Urick (jacque@fruitioninc.com): > Hi: > Check This! -- Joseph A. Heil, Jr. Oracle DBA heilja@dbsource.com http://www.dbsource.com voice: 952-445-8066 fax: 952-445-5196 Key fingerprint = 95 FC 3A F4 8A 10 05 85 3F 53 01 86 AD DB DB 51 From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Mon Feb 12 13:04:53 2001 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Here you have, ;o) In-Reply-To: <00c501c09523$4cee8d30$0200000a@geekstuff>; from jacque@fruitioninc.com on Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 12:40:39PM -0600 References: <00c501c09523$4cee8d30$0200000a@geekstuff> Message-ID: <20010212130453.C5950@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Nice, Jaque, real nice :) About 1 minute before I got this email from the list, I got a virus advisory forwarded to me from someone else: > There is a new E-mail borne virus that is currently spreading throughout > the world. > > Information about this virus is still emerging. Current information > names > the virus VBS_KALAMAR.A, KALAMAR, and > VBS/SST. > > The virus is reported to have an attachment named ANNAKOURNIKOVA.JPG.VBS. Hilarious. Crazy Windows email clients :) Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Oh my beloved ice cream bar!! How I love to like your creamy center! Howm! Howm! Howm!! And your oh-so-nutty chocolate covering!!" - Commander Hoek (Ren) in "Space Madness" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From duncan at sodatrain.com Mon Feb 12 12:58:06 2001 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Here you have, ;o) In-Reply-To: <00c101c09523$4b1b05b0$0200000a@geekstuff> Message-ID: again, this is a virus. tell your admin that you have a virus if you are not it... the AnnaKournikova.jpg.vbs is an evil visual basic script... its a virus... On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Jacqueline Urick wrote: > Hi: > Check This! > -- || || || || || || duncan shannon .-. duncan@sodatrain.com /v\ // \\ /( )\ L I N U X ^^-^^ >Phear the Penguin< From jacque at fruitioninc.com Mon Feb 12 12:53:37 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Here you have, ;o) In-Reply-To: <20010212124340.A722@master.dbsource.com> Message-ID: sorry guys..a client just sent this to me and it automagically mailed...don't open it! > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Joseph Heil > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 12:44 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Here you have, ;o) > > > > Does this look like a virus or what..... > > Quoting Jacqueline Urick (jacque@fruitioninc.com): > > Hi: > > Check This! > > > > -- > Joseph A. Heil, Jr. Oracle DBA > heilja@dbsource.com http://www.dbsource.com > voice: 952-445-8066 fax: 952-445-5196 > Key fingerprint = 95 FC 3A F4 8A 10 05 85 3F 53 01 86 AD DB DB 51 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From ben at nerp.net Mon Feb 12 13:00:38 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Here you have, ;o) In-Reply-To: <00c501c09523$4cee8d30$0200000a@geekstuff> Message-ID: haha.. poor jackie.. that's what you get for running outlook on the list X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Jacqueline Urick wrote: > Hi: > Check This! > From clay at fandre.com Mon Feb 12 13:01:22 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Here you have, ;o) References: Message-ID: <3A883302.7A6D9FB1@fandre.com> But how can you resist opening it with a file name like that? duncan wrote: > > again, this is a virus. tell your admin that you have a virus if you are > not it... > > the AnnaKournikova.jpg.vbs is an evil visual basic script... its a > virus... > > On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Jacqueline Urick wrote: > > > Hi: > > Check This! > > > > -- > || || || || || || > duncan shannon .-. > duncan@sodatrain.com /v\ > // \\ > /( )\ L I N U X > ^^-^^ >Phear the Penguin< > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From heilja at dbsource.com Mon Feb 12 12:56:33 2001 From: heilja at dbsource.com (Joseph Heil) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Here you have, ;o) In-Reply-To: ; from duncan@sodatrain.com on Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 02:05:18PM -0500 References: <20010212124340.A722@master.dbsource.com> Message-ID: <20010212125632.A738@master.dbsource.com> Bob, I think we need to have a clue check here..... Quoting duncan (duncan@sodatrain.com): > It is a virus, my company has it... (screw exchange!) > > symantec is bogged way down, it im in boston, and it seems to be > growing... it is a attatchment of AnnaKournikova.jpg.vbs as its payload. > > let your mail admin know! > > > > On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Joseph Heil wrote: > > > > > Does this look like a virus or what..... > > > > Quoting Jacqueline Urick (jacque@fruitioninc.com): > > > Hi: > > > Check This! > > > > > > > > > > -- > || || || || || || > duncan shannon .-. > duncan@sodatrain.com /v\ > // \\ > /( )\ L I N U X > ^^-^^ >Phear the Penguin< > > -- Joseph A. Heil, Jr. Oracle DBA heilja@dbsource.com http://www.dbsource.com voice: 952-445-8066 fax: 952-445-5196 Key fingerprint = 95 FC 3A F4 8A 10 05 85 3F 53 01 86 AD DB DB 51 From dkleist at acm.org Mon Feb 12 13:09:31 2001 From: dkleist at acm.org (Dave Kleist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Here you have, ;o) In-Reply-To: <20010212130453.C5950@sorry.cs.umn.edu>; from dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu on Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 13:04:53 -0600 References: <00c501c09523$4cee8d30$0200000a@geekstuff> <20010212130453.C5950@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010212130931.A7978@coder> On 2001.02.12 13:04:53 -0600 dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > About 1 minute before I got this email from the > list, I got a virus advisory forwarded to me from someone else: > > > There is a new E-mail borne virus that is currently spreading throughout > > the world. > > > > > > The virus is reported to have an attachment named ANNAKOURNIKOVA.JPG.VBS. > > Hilarious. Crazy Windows email clients :) Gonna be big. I've gotten it twice in 20 minutes. Makes me feel self-righteous having switched over to Balsa. -- Dave Kleist dkleist@acm.org "The covers of this book are too far apart." - Ambrose Bierce From duncan at sodatrain.com Mon Feb 12 13:05:18 2001 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Here you have, ;o) In-Reply-To: <20010212124340.A722@master.dbsource.com> Message-ID: It is a virus, my company has it... (screw exchange!) symantec is bogged way down, it im in boston, and it seems to be growing... it is a attatchment of AnnaKournikova.jpg.vbs as its payload. let your mail admin know! On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Joseph Heil wrote: > > Does this look like a virus or what..... > > Quoting Jacqueline Urick (jacque@fruitioninc.com): > > Hi: > > Check This! > > > > -- || || || || || || duncan shannon .-. duncan@sodatrain.com /v\ // \\ /( )\ L I N U X ^^-^^ >Phear the Penguin< From mkroska at readynetgo.com Mon Feb 12 13:08:00 2001 From: mkroska at readynetgo.com (Mark K) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Here you have, ;o) In-Reply-To: <20010212130453.C5950@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: USE PINE!! :) portable and fast, and no worries at all about this. ...I hear a poll coming...people that use PINE for email/news? MK On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > Nice, Jaque, real nice :) About 1 minute before I got this email from the > list, I got a virus advisory forwarded to me from someone else: > > > There is a new E-mail borne virus that is currently spreading throughout > > the world. > > > > Information about this virus is still emerging. Current information > > names > > the virus VBS_KALAMAR.A, KALAMAR, and > > VBS/SST. > > > > The virus is reported to have an attachment named ANNAKOURNIKOVA.JPG.VBS. > > Hilarious. Crazy Windows email clients :) > > Gabe > -- ________________________________________________________ ReadyNET Go!, Inc. - Building your Business on the net ________________________________________________________ Mark J. Kroska MIS Director 320.656.0765 Voice 888.447.3239 Toll Free 320.203.7052 Fax http://www.readynetgo.com mailto:mkroska@readynetgo.com ________________________________________________________ From kethry at winternet.com Mon Feb 12 13:07:47 2001 From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Here you have, ;o) In-Reply-To: <3A883302.7A6D9FB1@fandre.com> Message-ID: **chuckle** very easy - look at the .vbs part ;) Liz Burke-Scovill On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Clay Fandre wrote: > But how can you resist opening it with a file name like that? > > duncan wrote: > > > > again, this is a virus. tell your admin that you have a virus if you are > > not it... > > > > the AnnaKournikova.jpg.vbs is an evil visual basic script... its a > > virus... > > > > On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Jacqueline Urick wrote: > > > > > Hi: > > > Check This! > > > > > > > -- > > || || || || || || > > duncan shannon .-. > > duncan@sodatrain.com /v\ > > // \\ > > /( )\ L I N U X > > ^^-^^ >Phear the Penguin< > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Imagination is intelligence having fun... e-mail: kethry@winternet.com URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html From dkleist at acm.org Mon Feb 12 13:16:08 2001 From: dkleist at acm.org (Dave Kleist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Samba 2.2 Message-ID: <20010212131608.C7978@coder> Hey, Has anyone worked with Samba 2.2 as a PDC for Win2Krap clients? In particular, know where any installation instructions might be lying around? The website says to compile from CVS (and gives the CVS commands), leaving the specifics of compilation as an exercise for the reader. Being stoopad, I wouldn't know specifically what to do. All I've ever done is .rpm and .deb, with an occasional kernel compile. (is it just running Make?) Also, if anyone has installed Samba 2.2 and has pointers on 2.2 specific gotchas, that would be great. I've got Samba 2.0.6 up and running and working with notME clients, just not Win2K. Thanks. - Dave P.S. BTW, did I read correctly that Samba-TNG is dead in the water? -- Dave Kleist dkleist@acm.org "The covers of this book are too far apart." - Ambrose Bierce From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Feb 12 13:13:12 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Kernel Questions (Or, what is Linux?) In-Reply-To: <3A8822EC.B35E48F9@ltiflex.com>; from andyzb@ltiflex.com on Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 11:52:44AM -0600 References: <3A881B73.CE9A22DF@ltiflex.com> <20010212114757.A1928@minime.sistina.com> <3A8822EC.B35E48F9@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <20010212131312.A3105@minime.sistina.com> On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 11:52:44AM -0600, Andy Zbikowski wrote: > >Heh..it's been done. Never read the kernel how-to myself...hmmm... > hehe. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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X-Mailer-Microsoft-Lookout Jackie, disable the vbs extensions in the crummy mailer will you? :-) > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org >> [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Joseph Heil >> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 12:44 PM >> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Here you have, ;o) >> >> >> >> Does this look like a virus or what..... >> >> Quoting Jacqueline Urick (jacque@fruitioninc.com): >> > Hi: >> > Check This! >> >> >> >> -- >> Joseph A. Heil, Jr. Oracle DBA >> heilja@dbsource.com http://www.dbsource.com >> voice: 952-445-8066 fax: 952-445-5196 >> Key fingerprint = 95 FC 3A F4 8A 10 05 85 3F 53 01 86 AD DB DB 51 >> _______________________________________________ >> tclug-list mailing list >> tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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All hail Microsoft LOOKOUT!! > >let your mail admin know! > > > >On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Joseph Heil wrote: > >> >> Does this look like a virus or what..... >> >> Quoting Jacqueline Urick (jacque@fruitioninc.com): >> > Hi: >> > Check This! >> >> >> >> > >-- >|| || || || || || >duncan shannon .-. >duncan@sodatrain.com /v\ > // \\ > /( )\ L I N U X > ^^-^^ >Phear the Penguin< > > > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010212/fba494c1/attachment.pgp From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Mon Feb 12 13:25:57 2001 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Here you have, ;o) In-Reply-To: <20010212130931.A7978@coder>; from dkleist@acm.org on Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 01:09:31PM -0600 References: <00c501c09523$4cee8d30$0200000a@geekstuff> <20010212130453.C5950@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <20010212130931.A7978@coder> Message-ID: <20010212132557.D5950@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Anyone know what it doesn other than email itself out to everyone you know? I don't know VB, and even if I did, the script is all obfuscated... Or maybe Visual Studio does that when you generate a VBS script... Gabe On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 01:09:31PM -0600, Dave Kleist wrote: > > On 2001.02.12 13:04:53 -0600 dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > > About 1 minute before I got this email from the > > list, I got a virus advisory forwarded to me from someone else: > > > > > There is a new E-mail borne virus that is currently spreading throughout > > > the world. > > > > > > > > > The virus is reported to have an attachment named ANNAKOURNIKOVA.JPG.VBS. > > > > Hilarious. Crazy Windows email clients :) > > Gonna be big. I've gotten it twice in 20 minutes. Makes me feel self-righteous > having switched over to Balsa. > > > -- > Dave Kleist > dkleist@acm.org > "The covers of this book are too far apart." > - Ambrose Bierce > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Oh my beloved ice cream bar!! How I love to like your creamy center! Howm! Howm! Howm!! And your oh-so-nutty chocolate covering!!" - Commander Hoek (Ren) in "Space Madness" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From duncan at sodatrain.com Mon Feb 12 13:20:58 2001 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Here you have, ;o) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: pine. On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Mark K wrote: > > USE PINE!! :) > portable and fast, and no worries at all about this. > > ...I hear a poll coming...people that use PINE for email/news? > > MK > > On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > > > Nice, Jaque, real nice :) About 1 minute before I got this email from the > > list, I got a virus advisory forwarded to me from someone else: > > > > > There is a new E-mail borne virus that is currently spreading throughout > > > the world. > > > > > > Information about this virus is still emerging. Current information > > > names > > > the virus VBS_KALAMAR.A, KALAMAR, and > > > VBS/SST. > > > > > > The virus is reported to have an attachment named ANNAKOURNIKOVA.JPG.VBS. > > > > Hilarious. Crazy Windows email clients :) > > > > Gabe > > > > -- || || || || || || duncan shannon .-. duncan@sodatrain.com /v\ // \\ /( )\ L I N U X ^^-^^ >Phear the Penguin< From kethry at winternet.com Mon Feb 12 13:14:04 2001 From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Here you have, ;o) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: here here! I do ...for personal mail anyway - Lotus Notes for work Liz Burke-Scovill On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Mark K wrote: > > USE PINE!! :) > portable and fast, and no worries at all about this. > > ...I hear a poll coming...people that use PINE for email/news? > > MK > > On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > > > Nice, Jaque, real nice :) About 1 minute before I got this email from the > > list, I got a virus advisory forwarded to me from someone else: > > > > > There is a new E-mail borne virus that is currently spreading throughout > > > the world. > > > > > > Information about this virus is still emerging. Current information > > > names > > > the virus VBS_KALAMAR.A, KALAMAR, and > > > VBS/SST. > > > > > > The virus is reported to have an attachment named ANNAKOURNIKOVA.JPG.VBS. > > > > Hilarious. Crazy Windows email clients :) > > > > Gabe > > > > -- Imagination is intelligence having fun... e-mail: kethry@winternet.com URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html From tanner at real-time.com Mon Feb 12 13:18:51 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Here you have, ;o) In-Reply-To: <00c101c09523$4b1b05b0$0200000a@geekstuff>; from jacque@fruitioninc.com on Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 12:40:36PM -0600 References: <00c101c09523$4b1b05b0$0200000a@geekstuff> Message-ID: <20010212131851.E19955@real-time.com> Quoting Jacqueline Urick (jacque@fruitioninc.com): > Hi: > Check This! Hmmm, got to love Windows! Gotta love lookout, err outlook! -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From webgirl at wagtopia.com Mon Feb 12 13:19:15 2001 From: webgirl at wagtopia.com (Heather Wagamon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] virus Message-ID: <01C094F6.66AF3D00.webgirl@wagtopia.com> hey- does anyone know what to do about that virus?? I can't find info anywhere yet... -Heather From tanner at real-time.com Mon Feb 12 13:21:53 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Your message to tclug-announce awaits moderator approval In-Reply-To: ; from manero@yossman.com on Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 01:54:57PM -0500 References: <200102121849.f1CInwl21930@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010212132153.F19955@real-time.com> Quoting Tony Collen (manero@yossman.com): > how did that virus attachment get approved on this list? it makes me want > to unsubscribe. > Because one of the list administrators got a virus and admin posts get approved automaticially. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Mon Feb 12 13:28:04 2001 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Samba 2.2 In-Reply-To: <20010212131608.C7978@coder>; from dkleist@acm.org on Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 01:16:08PM -0600 References: <20010212131608.C7978@coder> Message-ID: <20010212132804.E5950@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Is there an autogen.sh script in the module you yanked from CVS? If so, run it and it should generate Makefiles and config stuff. Gabe On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 01:16:08PM -0600, Dave Kleist wrote: > Hey, > > Has anyone worked with Samba 2.2 as a PDC for Win2Krap clients? In particular, > know where any installation instructions might be lying around? The website > says to compile from CVS (and gives the CVS commands), leaving the specifics of > compilation as an exercise for the reader. Being stoopad, I wouldn't know > specifically what to do. All I've ever done is .rpm and .deb, with an > occasional kernel compile. (is it just running Make?) > > Also, if anyone has installed Samba 2.2 and has pointers on 2.2 specific > gotchas, that would be great. I've got Samba 2.0.6 up and running and working > with notME clients, just not Win2K. > > Thanks. > > - Dave > > P.S. BTW, did I read correctly that Samba-TNG is dead in the water? > > -- > Dave Kleist > dkleist@acm.org > "The covers of this book are too far apart." > - Ambrose Bierce > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Oh my beloved ice cream bar!! How I love to like your creamy center! Howm! Howm! Howm!! And your oh-so-nutty chocolate covering!!" - Commander Hoek (Ren) in "Space Madness" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jacque at fruitioninc.com Mon Feb 12 13:22:47 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Here you have, ;o) In-Reply-To: <20010212131419.B3105@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: where? I've looked several times and even tired the (non)"help" but any "msoffice" type document opens w/o asking...though I get prompted from any non-office document... I switched to lookout because my client uses all those "features" (calendar, etc), incidentally, they are the ones who got the virus first. grrr. I think I might just go back to netscape (hey I have to use windows or a mac here, kids). At least embarassing things like this don't happen with netscape. ~j > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Ben Lutgens > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 1:14 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Here you have, ;o) > > > On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 12:53:37PM -0600, Jacqueline Urick wrote: > >sorry guys..a client just sent this to me and it automagically > >mailed...don't open it! > > X-Mailer-Microsoft-Lookout > > Jackie, disable the vbs extensions in the crummy mailer will you? :-) > > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > >> [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Joseph Heil > >> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 12:44 PM > >> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Here you have, ;o) > >> > >> > >> > >> Does this look like a virus or what..... > >> > >> Quoting Jacqueline Urick (jacque@fruitioninc.com): > >> > Hi: > >> > Check This! > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Joseph A. Heil, Jr. Oracle DBA > >> heilja@dbsource.com http://www.dbsource.com > >> voice: 952-445-8066 fax: 952-445-5196 > >> Key fingerprint = 95 FC 3A F4 8A 10 05 85 3F 53 01 86 AD DB DB 51 > >> _______________________________________________ > >> tclug-list mailing list > >> tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >tclug-list mailing list > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- > Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 > Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 > System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ > > Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details > From duncan at sodatrain.com Mon Feb 12 13:32:48 2001 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Here you have, ;o) In-Reply-To: <20010212132557.D5950@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: From clay at fandre.com Mon Feb 12 13:31:41 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Samba 2.2 References: <20010212131608.C7978@coder> Message-ID: <3A883A1D.29F8ACD9@fandre.com> Dave Kleist wrote: > > Hey, > > Has anyone worked with Samba 2.2 as a PDC for Win2Krap clients? In particular, > know where any installation instructions might be lying around? The website > says to compile from CVS (and gives the CVS commands), leaving the specifics of > compilation as an exercise for the reader. Being stoopad, I wouldn't know > specifically what to do. All I've ever done is .rpm and .deb, with an > occasional kernel compile. (is it just running Make?) > > Also, if anyone has installed Samba 2.2 and has pointers on 2.2 specific > gotchas, that would be great. I've got Samba 2.0.6 up and running and working > with notME clients, just not Win2K. > > Thanks. You check out the docs already? http://us4.samba.org/samba/docs/samba-pdc-howto.html http://us4.samba.org/samba/docs/samba-pdc-faq.html > > - Dave > > P.S. BTW, did I read correctly that Samba-TNG is dead in the water? Where did you hear that from? From clay at fandre.com Mon Feb 12 13:35:08 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Samba 2.2 References: <20010212131608.C7978@coder> Message-ID: <3A883AEC.93970AB6@fandre.com> Dave Kleist wrote: > > > P.S. BTW, did I read correctly that Samba-TNG is dead in the water? Their mailing lists are still active. (especially the CVS) http://samba.cadcamlab.org/lists/ From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Feb 12 13:39:14 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Here you have, ;o) In-Reply-To: <00c101c09523$4b1b05b0$0200000a@geekstuff>; from jacque@fruitioninc.com on Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 12:40:36PM -0600 References: <00c101c09523$4b1b05b0$0200000a@geekstuff> Message-ID: <20010212133914.A19442@wookimus.net> On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 12:40:36PM -0600, Jacqueline Urick wrote: > Hi: > Check This! ROFL! Way to go WINDOWS USER! Only one of your population is succeptable to the influences of a VBS virus. ;-) Good job! -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010212/431db56c/attachment.pgp From tanner at real-time.com Mon Feb 12 13:41:39 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Here you have, ;o) In-Reply-To: ; from duncan@sodatrain.com on Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 02:32:48PM -0500 References: <20010212132557.D5950@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010212134139.M19955@real-time.com> What I don't understand is how can a linux mailing list (a list DEDICATED to linux) can be effected by a WINDOWS virus. First, any virus sent to the list should be ineffective, because everyone should be running linux right? Second, a virus should not be sent to the list because of the first point. How about a procmail receipe like this: :0B * ^X-Mailer: Microsoft.* { :0 /dev/null } -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From foeclan at winternet.com Mon Feb 12 13:44:39 2001 From: foeclan at winternet.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Here you have, ;o) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Pine here, too. Michael Vieths Foeclan@Winternet.Com On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Mark K wrote: > > USE PINE!! :) > portable and fast, and no worries at all about this. > > ...I hear a poll coming...people that use PINE for email/news? > > MK > > On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > > > Nice, Jaque, real nice :) About 1 minute before I got this email from the > > list, I got a virus advisory forwarded to me from someone else: > > > > > There is a new E-mail borne virus that is currently spreading throughout > > > the world. > > > > > > Information about this virus is still emerging. Current information > > > names > > > the virus VBS_KALAMAR.A, KALAMAR, and > > > VBS/SST. > > > > > > The virus is reported to have an attachment named ANNAKOURNIKOVA.JPG.VBS. > > > > Hilarious. Crazy Windows email clients :) > > > > Gabe > > > > -- > ________________________________________________________ > ReadyNET Go!, Inc. - Building your Business on the net > ________________________________________________________ > > Mark J. Kroska > MIS Director > > 320.656.0765 Voice > 888.447.3239 Toll Free > 320.203.7052 Fax > http://www.readynetgo.com > mailto:mkroska@readynetgo.com > ________________________________________________________ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From andyzb at ltiflex.com Mon Feb 12 13:42:56 2001 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:45 2005 Subject: Enhancing E-Mail Security With Procmail (Was Re: [TCLUG] Here you have, ;o)) References: Message-ID: <3A883CC0.74B4D1E7@ltiflex.com> Oh for the days when you couldn't get a virus just by reading your e-mail... For you admin types who could use a free sanitizer for this kind of junk... ftp://ftp.rubyriver.com/pub/jhardin/antispam/procmail-security.html I just updated this today and it worked beautifly, caught the message and send it off to quarintine. I love free software. I haighly recomend you file it under your "stupid (and not so stupid) procmail tricks." -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: andyzb.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 367 bytes Desc: Card for Andy Zbikowski Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010212/d9027e45/andyzb.vcf From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Feb 12 13:45:11 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Here you have, ;o) In-Reply-To: ; from jacque@fruitioninc.com on Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 01:22:47PM -0600 References: <20010212131419.B3105@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010212134511.B19442@wookimus.net> On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 01:22:47PM -0600, Jacqueline Urick wrote: > where? I've looked several times and even tired the (non)"help" but > any "msoffice" type document opens w/o asking...though I get > prompted from any non-office document... > > I switched to lookout because my client uses all those "features" > (calendar, etc), incidentally, they are the ones who got the virus > first. grrr. I think I might just go back to netscape (hey I have to > use windows or a mac here, kids). At least embarassing things like > this don't happen with netscape. Yes, but you could use mutt with Cygwin ;-). Get a real MUA *grin*. http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin You might as well install bash|tcsh, vi|emacs, grep, and all the cool UNIX tools you can't normally get on a Windoze machine. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Run those three commands (along with the autogen.sh if it exists)? > > > > P.S. BTW, did I read correctly that Samba-TNG is dead in the water? > > Where did you hear that from? I think I read it as a blurb on a Google search. Something about "with the departure of Luke, development on Samba TNG has halted" or to that effect. Hard to say from the website for tng, since it seems a bit stale (of course, I could have misread the site through bleary eyes), or gotten the dates on stuff confused. - Dave -- Dave Kleist dkleist@acm.org "The covers of this book are too far apart." - Ambrose Bierce From clay at fandre.com Mon Feb 12 13:51:23 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Here you have, ;o) References: Message-ID: <3A883EBB.D21ACA18@fandre.com> Liz Burke-Scovill wrote: > > **chuckle** very easy - look at the .vbs part ;) > Easy for you to say. More details about the virus: http://vil.nai.com/vil/virusSummary.asp?virus_k=99011 > Liz Burke-Scovill > > On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > But how can you resist opening it with a file name like that? > > > > duncan wrote: > > > > > > again, this is a virus. tell your admin that you have a virus if you are > > > not it... > > > > > > the AnnaKournikova.jpg.vbs is an evil visual basic script... its a > > > virus... > > > From duncan at sodatrain.com Mon Feb 12 13:57:42 2001 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Here you have, ;o) In-Reply-To: <20010212134139.M19955@real-time.com> Message-ID: my two cents on why i was posting: i was posting about the M$ virus, becase i assumed that there we others on the list that were in a similar situation as I find myself... Linux admin, who has a exchange server on their network, was trying to help thoes people, as it seemed to be spredding quickly and i want able to find much of anything about it on the net yet. i hope to not have troubled anyone with the messages that i have contributed re: virus. ps, sounds like a great procmail recipie to me! On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > What I don't understand is how can a linux mailing list (a list DEDICATED to > linux) can be effected by a WINDOWS virus. > > First, any virus sent to the list should be ineffective, because everyone should > be running linux right? > > Second, a virus should not be sent to the list because of the first point. > > How about a procmail receipe like this: > > :0B > * ^X-Mailer: Microsoft.* > { > :0 > /dev/null > } > > -- || || || || || || duncan shannon .-. duncan@sodatrain.com /v\ // \\ /( )\ L I N U X ^^-^^ >Phear the Penguin< From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Feb 12 13:53:47 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OpenGL vs Mesa In-Reply-To: <20010212034652.A19955@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 03:46:52AM -0600 References: <20010212034652.A19955@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010212135347.C19442@wookimus.net> On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 03:46:52AM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > I might be missing something here, but what is the difference > between OpenGL and Mesa? There was a GREAT article that explained the differences between the different 3D accel environments for Linux. The bottom line comes down to this. If you have 3D accel hardware, you should upgrade to the 2.2.18+ or the 2.4.x kernel to get your /dev/agpart and DRM support for your specific video card. Then use XFree86 v4.0.1 or greater to get your DRI support. Quake III plays just as fast in Linux for me as it does in Windows now with this setup on my VooDoo-III 3000 AGP. The cool 3D screensavers actually run at a normal speed, too! ;-) -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010212/7e76defa/attachment.pgp From jeffr at odeon.net Mon Feb 12 14:11:22 2001 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] virus In-Reply-To: <01C094F6.66AF3D00.webgirl@wagtopia.com> Message-ID: Hehehe, the company I work for uses exchange, and somebody decided it was a good idea to create a global mailing list for all the directors and above, and global departmental lists for every department (which include the directors those departments report to). These are still in place even after all of the recent e-mail VBS virii. You can image how long it takes for something like this to spread in such an environment, and how long it takes to stamp out... Maybe I shouldn't be assumed by this, but after the last three projects I wanted to do with a small linux/bsd box were stopped by operations who said they would implement it for my department in Clarify or Exchange or whatever because linux and/or xBSD were insecure (and have yet to do any of them)... Well, it's enough to make someone look for a new job. Jeff From webgirl at wagtopia.com Mon Feb 12 14:10:59 2001 From: webgirl at wagtopia.com (Heather Wagamon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Here you have, ;o) Message-ID: <01C094FD.A09F3900.webgirl@wagtopia.com> we're running a linux server, and have windows installed on all of our computers on the network. Thats why I was concerned about the virus. I thought maybe since there was such a big dicussion on it, and not much info on the internet about it, someone would be able to help. Do we need to worry about it- since we're running a linux server- even though we have windows on the computers? -----Original Message----- From: duncan [SMTP:duncan@sodatrain.com] Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 1:58 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Here you have, ;o) my two cents on why i was posting: i was posting about the M$ virus, becase i assumed that there we others on the list that were in a similar situation as I find myself... Linux admin, who has a exchange server on their network, was trying to help thoes people, as it seemed to be spredding quickly and i want able to find much of anything about it on the net yet. i hope to not have troubled anyone with the messages that i have contributed re: virus. ps, sounds like a great procmail recipie to me! On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > What I don't understand is how can a linux mailing list (a list DEDICATED to > linux) can be effected by a WINDOWS virus. > > First, any virus sent to the list should be ineffective, because everyone should > be running linux right? > > Second, a virus should not be sent to the list because of the first point. > > How about a procmail receipe like this: > > :0B > * ^X-Mailer: Microsoft.* > { > :0 > /dev/null > } > > -- || || || || || || duncan shannon .-. duncan@sodatrain.com /v\ // \\ /( )\ L I N U X ^^-^^ >Phear the Penguin< _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From andyzb at ltiflex.com Mon Feb 12 14:13:01 2001 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Here you have, ;o) [Exchange Thoughts] References: Message-ID: <3A8843CD.2B887B51@ltiflex.com> duncan wrote: > > my two cents on why i was posting: > > i was posting about the M$ virus, becase i assumed that there we others on > the list that were in a similar situation as I find myself... Linux admin, > who has a exchange server on their network, was trying to help thoes > people, as it seemed to be spredding quickly and i want able to find much > of anything about it on the net yet. ftp://ftp.rubyriver.com/pub/jhardin/antispam/procmail-security.html They have some info on setting up a sendmail relay to protect an Exchange server here: ftp://ftp.rubyriver.com/pub/jhardin/antispam/procmail-on-gateway.txt Definitly not a definitife HOWTO though. Personally, if forced to run Exchange, I'd probally set up something similar. Then again, I threatened to quit in the middle of my documentation project when sales started asking about Exchange. Amazing how fast they'll sing a different tune... :) Anyway, our mail server here has gotten 10 of these so far. All of them have been shoved off to /var/spool/mail/security and haven't been delivered. Pretty darn slick if you ask me. If you are in a situation where you have to run Exchange, I'd definitly be looking into the sendmail relay type soultion. (But really, use postfix or something instead of sendmail.) Probally a decent compromise. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From m_nassar at yahoo.com Mon Feb 12 14:27:08 2001 From: m_nassar at yahoo.com (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] openoffice In-Reply-To: <200102120637.f1C6bgl08479@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010212202708.77816.qmail@web10103.mail.yahoo.com> There was an article in MaximumLinux about that, (March/April 2001 issue) and apparently when sun released the source code for StarOffice they stripped all the Copyrighted code... and printing was part of that code... your best bet is to talk to the OpenOffice help guys (who are current/former sun employees) it appears that they are working on it but it will take them sometime... -munir > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 15:51:54 -0600 (CST) > From: Ben Kochie > To: > Subject: [TCLUG] openoffice > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > hey.. I'm playing with openoffice 614, and for the > life of me, printing is > screwed up.. I found the docs on Xprt, for > staroffice, but I'm not finding > anything usefull with redhat7 > > Thank You, > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its > friends." > > ===== -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GAT GIT dpu- s:- a19 C++ UL P+ L+(++) E--- W+ N+ w(--) K? O-- M- V- PS+ PE-(--) Y-- PGP-(---) t 5+++ X R tv-- b+++ D++ DI++ G e+ h+() r- y+ UF++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From natecars at real-time.com Mon Feb 12 14:40:27 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Samba 2.2 In-Reply-To: <20010212131608.C7978@coder> Message-ID: On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Dave Kleist wrote: > Has anyone worked with Samba 2.2 as a PDC for Win2Krap clients? In particular, > know where any installation instructions might be lying around? The website > says to compile from CVS (and gives the CVS commands), leaving the specifics of > compilation as an exercise for the reader. Being stoopad, I wouldn't know > specifically what to do. All I've ever done is .rpm and .deb, with an > occasional kernel compile. (is it just running Make?) You compile it pretty much the same way you compile 2.0.. I've never actually bothered testing it, just built a RPM of it up at one point and never touched it again. :) > Also, if anyone has installed Samba 2.2 and has pointers on 2.2 specific > gotchas, that would be great. I've got Samba 2.0.6 up and running and working > with notME clients, just not Win2K. > > Thanks. > > - Dave > > P.S. BTW, did I read correctly that Samba-TNG is dead in the water? > > -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From sraun at fireopal.org Mon Feb 12 16:05:24 2001 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Here you have, ;o) In-Reply-To: ; from mkroska@readynetgo.com on Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 01:08:00PM -0600 References: <20010212130453.C5950@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010212160524.A21863@iaxs.net> On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 01:08:00PM -0600, Mark K wrote: > > USE PINE!! :) > portable and fast, and no worries at all about this. > > ...I hear a poll coming...people that use PINE for email/news? Mutt -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From jcook at k-lug.com Mon Feb 12 16:07:09 2001 From: jcook at k-lug.com (Cook, Justin S.) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Here you have, ;o) References: <20010212130453.C5950@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <20010212160524.A21863@iaxs.net> Message-ID: <007d01c09540$24e050e0$b815020a@winona.msus.edu> KMail and Outlook Justin Cook mailto:jcook@k-lug.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Raun To: Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Here you have, ;o) > On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 01:08:00PM -0600, Mark K wrote: > > > > USE PINE!! :) > > portable and fast, and no worries at all about this. > > > > ...I hear a poll coming...people that use PINE for email/news? > > Mutt > > -- > Scott Raun > sraun@fireopal.org > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From destef at destef.com Mon Feb 12 16:12:18 2001 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Show of hands for the virus In-Reply-To: References: <20010212130453.C5950@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <200102122212.f1CMC3g08671@destef.com> I use it for backup when I only have telnet access. I use Eudora for windows mail. Show of hands everyone...who fell for this and opened it (if you knew what you were opening before doing so then dont raise your hand). Be honest now.... Jason At 01:08 PM 2/12/01 -0600, you wrote: > >USE PINE!! :) >portable and fast, and no worries at all about this. > >...I hear a poll coming...people that use PINE for email/news? > >MK > >On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > >> Nice, Jaque, real nice :) About 1 minute before I got this email from the >> list, I got a virus advisory forwarded to me from someone else: >> >> > There is a new E-mail borne virus that is currently spreading throughout >> > the world. >> > >> > Information about this virus is still emerging. Current information >> > names >> > the virus VBS_KALAMAR.A, KALAMAR, and >> > VBS/SST. >> > >> > The virus is reported to have an attachment named ANNAKOURNIKOVA.JPG.VBS. >> >> Hilarious. Crazy Windows email clients :) >> >> Gabe >> > >-- >________________________________________________________ >ReadyNET Go!, Inc. - Building your Business on the net >________________________________________________________ > >Mark J. Kroska >MIS Director > >320.656.0765 Voice >888.447.3239 Toll Free >320.203.7052 Fax >http://www.readynetgo.com >mailto:mkroska@readynetgo.com >________________________________________________________ > > > > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jsowers at osii.com Mon Feb 12 16:17:30 2001 From: jsowers at osii.com (Jason Sowers) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Here you have, ;o) In-Reply-To: <007d01c09540$24e050e0$b815020a@winona.msus.edu> Message-ID: It truly is a disturbing decision to be forced to make. Use PINE, which is very stable, fast, and virtually affected by no viruses, or Outlook, which is great for the medium to large business (with all it's features) yet is a script-kiddies dream. I use outlook here, not by my own decision. Corporate you understand. :-) ____________________________________ Jason Sowers Network Engineer Open Systems International 3600 Holly Lane North Suite 40 Minneapolis, MN 55447-1286 Phone: (763) 551-0559 Fax: (763) 551-1750 Email: jsowers@osii.com http: www.osii.com & www.e-scada.com -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Cook, Justin S. Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 4:07 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Here you have, ;o) KMail and Outlook Justin Cook mailto:jcook@k-lug.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Raun To: Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Here you have, ;o) > On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 01:08:00PM -0600, Mark K wrote: > > > > USE PINE!! :) > > portable and fast, and no worries at all about this. > > > > ...I hear a poll coming...people that use PINE for email/news? > > Mutt > > -- > Scott Raun > sraun@fireopal.org > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jsowers at osii.com Mon Feb 12 16:17:31 2001 From: jsowers at osii.com (Jason Sowers) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Show of hands for the virus In-Reply-To: <200102122212.f1CMC3g08671@destef.com> Message-ID: We had it, cleaned it no biggie. ____________________________________ Jason Sowers Network Engineer Open Systems International 3600 Holly Lane North Suite 40 Minneapolis, MN 55447-1286 Phone: (763) 551-0559 Fax: (763) 551-1750 Email: jsowers@osii.com http: www.osii.com & www.e-scada.com -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Jason DeStefano Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 4:12 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Show of hands for the virus I use it for backup when I only have telnet access. I use Eudora for windows mail. Show of hands everyone...who fell for this and opened it (if you knew what you were opening before doing so then dont raise your hand). Be honest now.... Jason At 01:08 PM 2/12/01 -0600, you wrote: > >USE PINE!! :) >portable and fast, and no worries at all about this. > >...I hear a poll coming...people that use PINE for email/news? > >MK > >On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > >> Nice, Jaque, real nice :) About 1 minute before I got this email from the >> list, I got a virus advisory forwarded to me from someone else: >> >> > There is a new E-mail borne virus that is currently spreading throughout >> > the world. >> > >> > Information about this virus is still emerging. Current information >> > names >> > the virus VBS_KALAMAR.A, KALAMAR, and >> > VBS/SST. >> > >> > The virus is reported to have an attachment named ANNAKOURNIKOVA.JPG.VBS. >> >> Hilarious. Crazy Windows email clients :) >> >> Gabe >> > >-- >________________________________________________________ >ReadyNET Go!, Inc. - Building your Business on the net >________________________________________________________ > >Mark J. Kroska >MIS Director > >320.656.0765 Voice >888.447.3239 Toll Free >320.203.7052 Fax >http://www.readynetgo.com >mailto:mkroska@readynetgo.com >________________________________________________________ > > > > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dcsherman at qwest.net Mon Feb 12 18:21:17 2001 From: dcsherman at qwest.net (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Here you have, ;o) In-Reply-To: <20010212160524.A21863@iaxs.net> References: <20010212130453.C5950@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010212162045.009eeec0@pop.mpls.qwest.net> kmail Dave >On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 01:08:00PM -0600, Mark K wrote: > > > > USE PINE!! :) > > portable and fast, and no worries at all about this. > > > > ...I hear a poll coming...people that use PINE for email/news? Dave Sherman SoftServ Business Systems, Inc. "Quid quid latine dictum sit, webmaster@ssbs.com altum viditur." (763) 569-9839 From esper at sherohman.org Mon Feb 12 16:21:32 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Show of hands for the virus In-Reply-To: <200102122212.f1CMC3g08671@destef.com>; from destef@destef.com on Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 04:12:18PM -0600 References: <20010212130453.C5950@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <200102122212.f1CMC3g08671@destef.com> Message-ID: <20010212162132.H3807@sherohman.org> On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 04:12:18PM -0600, Jason DeStefano wrote: > Show of hands everyone...who fell for this and opened it (if > you knew what you were opening before doing so then dont raise > your hand). Be honest now.... I opened it. In mutt. Didn't look very interesting, though. -- SGI products are used to create the 'Bugs' that entertain us in theatres and at home. - SGI job posting Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Feb 12 16:27:35 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Here you have, ;o) In-Reply-To: ; from jsowers@osii.com on Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 04:17:30PM -0600 References: <007d01c09540$24e050e0$b815020a@winona.msus.edu> Message-ID: <20010212162735.A55301@minime.sistina.com> On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 04:17:30PM -0600, Jason Sowers wrote: >It truly is a disturbing decision to be forced to make. Use PINE, which is >very stable, fast, and virtually affected by no viruses, or Outlook, which >is great for the medium to large business (with all it's features) yet is a >script-kiddies dream. I use outlook here, not by my own decision. >Corporate you understand. :-) Sure hope it's a great job cause with stupid corporate policies like that.... -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010212/3d587cf4/attachment.pgp From webgirl at wagtopia.com Mon Feb 12 16:26:11 2001 From: webgirl at wagtopia.com (Heather Wagamon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Show of hands for the virus Message-ID: <01C09510.83631CE0.webgirl@wagtopia.com> how did you clean it? I downloaded the latest updates for our virus software and its not detecting anything... -----Original Message----- From: Jason Sowers [SMTP:jsowers@osii.com] Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 4:18 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Show of hands for the virus We had it, cleaned it no biggie. ____________________________________ Jason Sowers Network Engineer Open Systems International 3600 Holly Lane North Suite 40 Minneapolis, MN 55447-1286 Phone: (763) 551-0559 Fax: (763) 551-1750 Email: jsowers@osii.com http: www.osii.com & www.e-scada.com -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Jason DeStefano Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 4:12 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Show of hands for the virus I use it for backup when I only have telnet access. I use Eudora for windows mail. Show of hands everyone...who fell for this and opened it (if you knew what you were opening before doing so then dont raise your hand). Be honest now.... Jason At 01:08 PM 2/12/01 -0600, you wrote: > >USE PINE!! :) >portable and fast, and no worries at all about this. > >...I hear a poll coming...people that use PINE for email/news? > >MK > >On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > >> Nice, Jaque, real nice :) About 1 minute before I got this email from the >> list, I got a virus advisory forwarded to me from someone else: >> >> > There is a new E-mail borne virus that is currently spreading throughout >> > the world. >> > >> > Information about this virus is still emerging. Current information >> > names >> > the virus VBS_KALAMAR.A, KALAMAR, and >> > VBS/SST. >> > >> > The virus is reported to have an attachment named ANNAKOURNIKOVA.JPG.VBS. >> >> Hilarious. Crazy Windows email clients :) >> >> Gabe >> > >-- >________________________________________________________ >ReadyNET Go!, Inc. - Building your Business on the net >________________________________________________________ > >Mark J. Kroska >MIS Director > >320.656.0765 Voice >888.447.3239 Toll Free >320.203.7052 Fax >http://www.readynetgo.com >mailto:mkroska@readynetgo.com >________________________________________________________ > > > > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lanbarnes at earthlink.net Mon Feb 12 16:41:52 2001 From: lanbarnes at earthlink.net (Lan Barnes) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] virus References: <01C094F6.66AF3D00.webgirl@wagtopia.com> Message-ID: <3A8866B0.35803CF8@earthlink.net> Heather Wagamon wrote: > > hey- > does anyone know what to do about that virus?? I can't find info anywhere yet... > -Heather Convert to Linux? Shoot all your users dumb enough to mindlessly open an attachment under Win XX? Both? HTH -- Lan Barnes lanbarnes@earthlink.net Icon Consulting, Inc 858-273-6677 Key fingerprint = 57D6 C219 140A A81E 26C6 8138 0E62 7F4A 2659 7389 "When you wake up in the morning, Pooh," said Piglet at last, "what's the first thing you say to yourself?" "What's for breakfast?" said Pooh. "What do you say, Piglet?" "I say, I wonder what's going to happen exciting today?" said Piglet. Pooh nodded thoughtfully. "It's the same thing," he said. - A. A. Milne, "Winnie-The-Pooh" From jacque at fruitioninc.com Mon Feb 12 16:42:52 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Here you have, ;o) In-Reply-To: <20010212134511.B19442@wookimus.net> Message-ID: I'm already running cygwin, but I don't like mutt. > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Chad C. Walstrom > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 1:45 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Here you have, ;o) > > > On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 01:22:47PM -0600, Jacqueline Urick wrote: > > where? I've looked several times and even tired the (non)"help" but > > any "msoffice" type document opens w/o asking...though I get > > prompted from any non-office document... > > > > I switched to lookout because my client uses all those "features" > > (calendar, etc), incidentally, they are the ones who got the virus > > first. grrr. I think I might just go back to netscape (hey I have to > > use windows or a mac here, kids). At least embarassing things like > > this don't happen with netscape. > > Yes, but you could use mutt with Cygwin ;-). Get a real MUA *grin*. > > http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin > > You might as well install bash|tcsh, vi|emacs, grep, and all the cool UNIX > tools you can't normally get on a Windoze machine. > > -- > Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie > http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr > Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD > > From jacque at fruitioninc.com Mon Feb 12 16:46:55 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Show of hands for the virus In-Reply-To: <01C09510.83631CE0.webgirl@wagtopia.com> Message-ID: http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/vbs.sst@mm.html Luckily this one doesn't do much damage. > > how did you clean it? I downloaded the latest updates for our > virus software and its not detecting anything... > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jason Sowers [SMTP:jsowers@osii.com] > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 4:18 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Show of hands for the virus > > We had it, cleaned it no biggie. > > > > ____________________________________ > Jason Sowers > Network Engineer > Open Systems International > 3600 Holly Lane North Suite 40 > Minneapolis, MN 55447-1286 > Phone: (763) 551-0559 > Fax: (763) 551-1750 > Email: jsowers@osii.com > http: www.osii.com & www.e-scada.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Jason DeStefano > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 4:12 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Show of hands for the virus > > > I use it for backup when I only have telnet access. I use > Eudora for windows mail. > > Show of hands everyone...who fell for this and opened it (if > you knew what you were opening before doing so then dont raise > your hand). Be honest now.... > > Jason > > At 01:08 PM 2/12/01 -0600, you wrote: > > > >USE PINE!! :) > >portable and fast, and no worries at all about this. > > > >...I hear a poll coming...people that use PINE for email/news? > > > >MK > > > >On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > > > >> Nice, Jaque, real nice :) About 1 minute before I got this email from > the > >> list, I got a virus advisory forwarded to me from someone else: > >> > >> > There is a new E-mail borne virus that is currently spreading > throughout > >> > the world. > >> > > >> > Information about this virus is still emerging. Current information > >> > names > >> > the virus VBS_KALAMAR.A, KALAMAR, and > >> > VBS/SST. > >> > > >> > The virus is reported to have an attachment named > ANNAKOURNIKOVA.JPG.VBS. > >> > >> Hilarious. Crazy Windows email clients :) > >> > >> Gabe > >> > > > >-- > >________________________________________________________ > >ReadyNET Go!, Inc. - Building your Business on the net > >________________________________________________________ > > > >Mark J. Kroska > >MIS Director > > > >320.656.0765 Voice > >888.447.3239 Toll Free > >320.203.7052 Fax > >http://www.readynetgo.com > >mailto:mkroska@readynetgo.com > >________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >tclug-list mailing list > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From andyzb at ltiflex.com Mon Feb 12 16:48:45 2001 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Show of hands for the virus References: <01C09510.83631CE0.webgirl@wagtopia.com> Message-ID: <3A88684D.4CEBE177@ltiflex.com> Heather Wagamon wrote: > > how did you clean it? I downloaded the latest updates for our virus software and its not detecting anything... > Hope that's helpful, it's the only security alert I've found so far, but I'm sure there are others, somewhere. http://vil.nai.com/vil/virusSummary.asp?virus_k=99011 Search SecurityFocus for AnnaKournikova.jpg.vbs and you should get some useful results. http://www.securityfocus.com/frames/?content=/templates/archive.pike%3Flist%3D2%26mid%3D162175 Oh yeah, I opened it, with vi. :) -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: andyzb.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 367 bytes Desc: Card for Andy Zbikowski Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010212/fb4d7d15/andyzb.vcf From fertch at mninter.net Mon Feb 12 17:05:10 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Show of hands for the virus References: <01C09510.83631CE0.webgirl@wagtopia.com> Message-ID: <3A886C26.5FE84767@mninter.net> With McCrappy, it wouldn't clean it. Only say that it had to be deleted. Sad to day, but I'm on a Win2K machine right now. My laptop is slowly getting configured and I haven't gotten to far yet. I'm building from Slackware 7.01 so I can learn as much as possible. Shawn Heather Wagamon wrote: > how did you clean it? I downloaded the latest updates for our virus software and its not detecting anything... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jason Sowers [SMTP:jsowers@osii.com] > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 4:18 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Show of hands for the virus > > We had it, cleaned it no biggie. > > ____________________________________ > Jason Sowers > Network Engineer > Open Systems International > 3600 Holly Lane North Suite 40 > Minneapolis, MN 55447-1286 > Phone: (763) 551-0559 > Fax: (763) 551-1750 > Email: jsowers@osii.com > http: www.osii.com & www.e-scada.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Jason DeStefano > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 4:12 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Show of hands for the virus > > I use it for backup when I only have telnet access. I use > Eudora for windows mail. > > Show of hands everyone...who fell for this and opened it (if > you knew what you were opening before doing so then dont raise > your hand). Be honest now.... > > Jason > > At 01:08 PM 2/12/01 -0600, you wrote: > > > >USE PINE!! :) > >portable and fast, and no worries at all about this. > > > >...I hear a poll coming...people that use PINE for email/news? > > > >MK > > > >On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > > > >> Nice, Jaque, real nice :) About 1 minute before I got this email from > the > >> list, I got a virus advisory forwarded to me from someone else: > >> > >> > There is a new E-mail borne virus that is currently spreading > throughout > >> > the world. > >> > > >> > Information about this virus is still emerging. Current information > >> > names > >> > the virus VBS_KALAMAR.A, KALAMAR, and > >> > VBS/SST. > >> > > >> > The virus is reported to have an attachment named > ANNAKOURNIKOVA.JPG.VBS. > >> > >> Hilarious. Crazy Windows email clients :) > >> > >> Gabe > >> > > > >-- > >________________________________________________________ > >ReadyNET Go!, Inc. - Building your Business on the net > >________________________________________________________ > > > >Mark J. Kroska > >MIS Director > > > >320.656.0765 Voice > >888.447.3239 Toll Free > >320.203.7052 Fax > >http://www.readynetgo.com > >mailto:mkroska@readynetgo.com > >________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >tclug-list mailing list > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jsowers at osii.com Mon Feb 12 17:06:22 2001 From: jsowers at osii.com (Jason Sowers) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Here you have, ;o) In-Reply-To: <20010212162735.A55301@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: Yes, it is a great job, and I am not the Internal IS guy. That is taken care of by another individual. I am just the Cisco geek. Anyway, you have to see thing from a business standpoint, outlook has some great features that, unfortunately, pine cannot offer. ____________________________________ Jason Sowers Network Engineer Open Systems International 3600 Holly Lane North Suite 40 Minneapolis, MN 55447-1286 Phone: (763) 551-0559 Fax: (763) 551-1750 Email: jsowers@osii.com http: www.osii.com & www.e-scada.com -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Ben Lutgens Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 4:28 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Here you have, ;o) On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 04:17:30PM -0600, Jason Sowers wrote: >It truly is a disturbing decision to be forced to make. Use PINE, which is >very stable, fast, and virtually affected by no viruses, or Outlook, which >is great for the medium to large business (with all it's features) yet is a >script-kiddies dream. I use outlook here, not by my own decision. >Corporate you understand. :-) Sure hope it's a great job cause with stupid corporate policies like that.... -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details From Troy.Johnson at health.state.mn.us Mon Feb 12 17:22:23 2001 From: Troy.Johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Here you have, ;o) Message-ID: It just does not seem like the kind of app you'd find at a place called "Open Systems International" (said the guy using GroupWise). ;-) >>> jsowers@osii.com 02/12/01 05:06PM >>> Anyway, you have to see thing from a business standpoint, outlook has some great features that, unfortunately, pine cannot offer. ____________________________________ Jason Sowers Network Engineer Open Systems International 3600 Holly Lane North Suite 40 Minneapolis, MN 55447-1286 Phone: (763) 551-0559 Fax: (763) 551-1750 Email: jsowers@osii.com http: www.osii.com & www.e-scada.com -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Ben Lutgens Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 4:28 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Here you have, ;o) On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 04:17:30PM -0600, Jason Sowers wrote: >It truly is a disturbing decision to be forced to make. Use PINE, which is >very stable, fast, and virtually affected by no viruses, or Outlook, which >is great for the medium to large business (with all it's features) yet is a >script-kiddies dream. I use outlook here, not by my own decision. >Corporate you understand. :-) Sure hope it's a great job cause with stupid corporate policies like that.... -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu Mon Feb 12 17:32:04 2001 From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Show of hands for the virus Message-ID: <010212173204.20323ef7@dcmir.med.umn.edu> I opened it in VMSmail. Ed Hoeffner 1-271 BSBE 312 Church St. SE Mpls, MN 55455 hoeffner@dcmir.med.umn.edu 612-625-2115 612-625-2163 fax From dd-b at dd-b.net Mon Feb 12 17:42:53 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Here you have, ;o) In-Reply-To: <007d01c09540$24e050e0$b815020a@winona.msus.edu> References: <20010212130453.C5950@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <20010212160524.A21863@iaxs.net> <007d01c09540$24e050e0$b815020a@winona.msus.edu> Message-ID: Emacs Gnus and vm currently. -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From dd-b at dd-b.net Mon Feb 12 17:43:35 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Here you have, ;o) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Jason Sowers" writes: > Yes, it is a great job, and I am not the Internal IS guy. That is taken > care of by another individual. I am just the Cisco geek. Anyway, you have > to see thing from a business standpoint, outlook has some great features > that, unfortunately, pine cannot offer. > > ____________________________________ > Jason Sowers > Network Engineer > Open Systems International Interesting name for a place so into Outlook! -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From thudak at sistina.com Mon Feb 12 17:46:59 2001 From: thudak at sistina.com (Tom Hudak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] openoffice In-Reply-To: ; from ben@nerp.net on Sun, Feb 11, 2001 at 03:51:54PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20010212174659.C13584@cesium.sistina.com> On Sun, Feb 11, 2001 at 03:51:54PM -0600, Ben Kochie wrote: >hey.. I'm playing with openoffice 614, and for the life of me, printing is >screwed up.. I found the docs on Xprt, for staroffice, but I'm not finding >anything usefull with redhat7 You have stumbled upon quite possibly the STUPIDEST thing I've ever heard of.. These guys doing openoffice, believe that in order to support printing, they must take it upon themselves to standardize printing across all unices!! So, rather than write in some code to convert to PS and use lpr to print (like most unices.) they would rather not have you print at all until they have a final solution. If you ask me, it's about the dumbest thing I've ever heard of, but then again they are almost all former sun employee's, so they may not be used to they ways of "users" who like "features" like the ability to PRINT! Just my $.02. If you can convert your stuff to PS and print that way, I would recommend it. > >Thank You, > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list Good luck, -- Thomas J. Hudak Systems Administrator Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com Phone: 612.379.3951 Page: 612.318.1967 Fax: 612.379.3952 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010212/4b0a32d8/attachment.pgp From sraun at fireopal.org Mon Feb 12 17:52:40 2001 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HP OpenMail? Message-ID: <20010212175240.A22308@iaxs.net> Anyone have any experience with HP OpenMail? It reads like it could be a drop-in replacement for MS Exchange. -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From sgrobe at mn.rr.com Mon Feb 12 11:54:59 2001 From: sgrobe at mn.rr.com (Steve Grobe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Here you have, ;o) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <982000499_PM_BeOS.sgrobe@mn.rr.com> Or you can apply the MS OutLook Security update which disables some of the "features" that allow this type of crap to happen. http://www.microsoft.com/Office/ORK/2000/Journ/OutSDep.htm We installed it on all of our client machines a few months ago and it does a pretty good job of stopping this kind of thing, the user can not even get to the attachment. Quite a few people received the virus today but were not able to open the attachment. Stuff like calenders still work but any executable file is blocked from the user, the sys admin is the only one not running the update, that way if there is a file we have to be able to retrieve we can. It works as well as anything from MS can. :-P Most users don't even notice that it is running, although some of them do miss "Elf Bowling". God help me if the sys admin is ever dumb enough to open a virus. Or maybe god will need to help him. SG, O.S.D. P.S. I am not too thrilled about running Exchange either but it was that way when I moved to IS from engineering. Yes I am posting while booted into BeOS, everyone has a weak spot. I tried it two years ago and haven't been able to stop. I am trying to learn everything, and failing. >where? I've looked several times and even tired the (non)"help" but any >"msoffice" type document opens w/o asking...though I get prompted from any >non-office document... > >I switched to lookout because my client uses all those "features" (calendar, >etc), incidentally, they are the ones who got the virus first. grrr. I think >I might just go back to netscape (hey I have to use windows or a mac here, >kids). At least embarassing things like this don't happen with netscape. > >~j > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org >> [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Ben Lutgens >> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 1:14 PM >> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Here you have, ;o) >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 12:53:37PM -0600, Jacqueline Urick wrote: >> >sorry guys..a client just sent this to me and it automagically >> >mailed...don't open it! >> >> X-Mailer-Microsoft-Lookout >> >> Jackie, disable the vbs extensions in the crummy mailer will you? :-) >> >> > >> > >> > >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org >> >> [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Joseph Heil >> >> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 12:44 PM >> >> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> >> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Here you have, ;o) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Does this look like a virus or what..... >> >> >> >> Quoting Jacqueline Urick (jacque@fruitioninc.com): >> >> > Hi: >> >> > Check This! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Joseph A. Heil, Jr. Oracle DBA >> >> heilja@dbsource.com http://www.dbsource.com >> >> voice: 952-445-8066 fax: 952-445-5196 >> >> Key fingerprint = 95 FC 3A F4 8A 10 05 85 3F 53 01 86 AD DB DB 51 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tclug-list mailing list >> >> tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> >> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >tclug-list mailing list >> >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> -- >> Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 >> Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 >> System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ >> >> Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details >> > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > ----------------------------------- This message was sent with the demo version of Postmaster, a BeOS mail client. For more information, please visit http://kennyc.com/postmaster From ben at nerp.net Mon Feb 12 18:00:05 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] openoffice In-Reply-To: <20010212174659.C13584@cesium.sistina.com> Message-ID: actualy, from what I can find.. it's the Xfree people who had this stupid printing idea.. what it does is allow code used to render X output, to also render print output.. so they can re-use rendering code.. which is usefull, and not usefull. they want a better solution, this was just what they were able to come up with for a short-term solution to a long-term .PS output problem.. *shrug* probably never had a postscript person on-staff before.. now at sun, the office guys can get it right.. if we prod them enough. :) Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Tom Hudak wrote: > On Sun, Feb 11, 2001 at 03:51:54PM -0600, Ben Kochie wrote: > >hey.. I'm playing with openoffice 614, and for the life of me, printing is > >screwed up.. I found the docs on Xprt, for staroffice, but I'm not finding > >anything usefull with redhat7 > You have stumbled upon quite possibly the STUPIDEST thing I've ever heard of.. > These guys doing openoffice, believe that in order to support printing, they > must take it upon themselves to standardize printing across all unices!! So, > rather than write in some code to convert to PS and use lpr to print (like > most unices.) they would rather not have you print at all until they have a > final solution. If you ask me, it's about the dumbest thing I've ever heard > of, but then again they are almost all former sun employee's, so they may not > be used to they ways of "users" who like "features" like the ability to > PRINT! Just my $.02. If you can convert your stuff to PS and print that way, I > would recommend it. > > > >Thank You, > > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > > >_______________________________________________ > >tclug-list mailing list > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > Good luck, > > -- > Thomas J. Hudak > Systems Administrator > Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com > Phone: 612.379.3951 Page: 612.318.1967 > Fax: 612.379.3952 > From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Feb 12 18:01:54 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Here you have, ;o) In-Reply-To: ; from jsowers@osii.com on Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 05:06:22PM -0600 References: <20010212162735.A55301@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010212180154.A56396@minime.sistina.com> On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 05:06:22PM -0600, Jason Sowers wrote: >Yes, it is a great job, and I am not the Internal IS guy. That is taken >care of by another individual. I am just the Cisco geek. Anyway, you have >to see thing from a business standpoint, outlook has some great features >that, unfortunately, pine cannot offer. Yeah like tying up resources for a whole day fighting viruses and such. No thanks. > >____________________________________ >Jason Sowers >Network Engineer >Open Systems International >3600 Holly Lane North Suite 40 >Minneapolis, MN 55447-1286 >Phone: (763) 551-0559 >Fax: (763) 551-1750 >Email: jsowers@osii.com >http: www.osii.com & www.e-scada.com > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org >[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Ben Lutgens >Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 4:28 PM >To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Here you have, ;o) > > >On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 04:17:30PM -0600, Jason Sowers wrote: >>It truly is a disturbing decision to be forced to make. Use PINE, which is >>very stable, fast, and virtually affected by no viruses, or Outlook, which >>is great for the medium to large business (with all it's features) yet is a >>script-kiddies dream. I use outlook here, not by my own decision. >>Corporate you understand. :-) >Sure hope it's a great job cause with stupid corporate policies like >that.... >-- >Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 >Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 >System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ > >Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I downloaded the latest updates for our virus software and its not detecting anything... > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jason Sowers [SMTP:jsowers@osii.com] >Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 4:18 PM >To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Show of hands for the virus > >We had it, cleaned it no biggie. > > > >____________________________________ >Jason Sowers >Network Engineer >Open Systems International >3600 Holly Lane North Suite 40 >Minneapolis, MN 55447-1286 >Phone: (763) 551-0559 >Fax: (763) 551-1750 >Email: jsowers@osii.com >http: www.osii.com & www.e-scada.com > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org >[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Jason DeStefano >Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 4:12 PM >To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Show of hands for the virus > > >I use it for backup when I only have telnet access. I use >Eudora for windows mail. > >Show of hands everyone...who fell for this and opened it (if >you knew what you were opening before doing so then dont raise >your hand). Be honest now.... > >Jason > >At 01:08 PM 2/12/01 -0600, you wrote: >> >>USE PINE!! :) >>portable and fast, and no worries at all about this. >> >>...I hear a poll coming...people that use PINE for email/news? >> >>MK >> >>On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: >> >>> Nice, Jaque, real nice :) About 1 minute before I got this email from >the >>> list, I got a virus advisory forwarded to me from someone else: >>> >>> > There is a new E-mail borne virus that is currently spreading >throughout >>> > the world. >>> > >>> > Information about this virus is still emerging. Current information >>> > names >>> > the virus VBS_KALAMAR.A, KALAMAR, and >>> > VBS/SST. >>> > >>> > The virus is reported to have an attachment named >ANNAKOURNIKOVA.JPG.VBS. >>> >>> Hilarious. Crazy Windows email clients :) >>> >>> Gabe >>> >> >>-- >>________________________________________________________ >>ReadyNET Go!, Inc. - Building your Business on the net >>________________________________________________________ >> >>Mark J. Kroska >>MIS Director >> >>320.656.0765 Voice >>888.447.3239 Toll Free >>320.203.7052 Fax >>http://www.readynetgo.com >>mailto:mkroska@readynetgo.com >>________________________________________________________ >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>tclug-list mailing list >>tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From sgrobe at mn.rr.com Mon Feb 12 12:03:44 2001 From: sgrobe at mn.rr.com (Steve Grobe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HP OpenMail? In-Reply-To: <20010212175240.A22308@iaxs.net> Message-ID: <982001024_PM_BeOS.sgrobe@mn.rr.com> If it is the world is now a better place. >Anyone have any experience with HP OpenMail? > >It reads like it could be a drop-in replacement for MS Exchange. > >-- >Scott Raun >sraun@fireopal.org >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > ----------------------------------- This message was sent with the demo version of Postmaster, a BeOS mail client. For more information, please visit http://kennyc.com/postmaster From jcook at k-lug.com Mon Feb 12 18:05:02 2001 From: jcook at k-lug.com (Cook, Justin S.) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HP OpenMail? References: <20010212175240.A22308@iaxs.net> Message-ID: <003c01c09550$b067f860$b815020a@winona.msus.edu> I used it in early stages of beta, and besides the license they had on it, which I have no clue if they are using now, it was pretty decent. It allows for special outlook stuff(that i have long since forgotten) to work like it was using Exchange. Justin Cook mailto:jcook@k-lug.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Raun To: Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 5:52 PM Subject: [TCLUG] HP OpenMail? > Anyone have any experience with HP OpenMail? > > It reads like it could be a drop-in replacement for MS Exchange. > > -- > Scott Raun > sraun@fireopal.org > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jamie at getsetnet.net Mon Feb 12 18:15:30 2001 From: jamie at getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Programmers in distant galaxies... Message-ID: Hello, I am interested in talking to C programmers who do kernel development in other countries. Does anyone know of any newsgroups or mailing lists where there are programmers who frequent the board from other lands? Emphasis on kernel programming would be particularily appreciated. Thanks much. - Jamie -- "It is a mistake to let any mechanical object realise that you are in a hurry." --Ralph From chrome at real-time.com Mon Feb 12 18:37:46 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RPMs under Debian Message-ID: <20010212183746.B32719@real-time.com> Ok, I'm a new Dweebian^WDebian user; and I am wondering how experienced users deal with .rpms and non-.deb'ed software. since the stuff on the debian mirrors is commonly months behind the latest version (or maybe you're testing alpha versions of a project); what do you do if there is a .rpm (or even just a .tgz) for a package you might already have installed with dpkg? do you just install with RPM, or build & install from source; and 1. hope your installation doesn't break something in the Debian arrangement; or 2. that it won't be overwritten by your next apt-get upgrade (since dpkg doesn't know you have this shiny new version in place of the old one). do you convert the .rpm to a .deb with alien; and hope nothing breaks? make a .deb package yourself, taking a lot of time (which others will have to duplicate as well, since you aren't a debian package contributor and have no desire to be one). Here at Real-Time, we build .rpms for everything; especially custom packages. Bob & Nate can build rpms from scratch faster than you'd believe. :) this is not the course I want to follow as a single-workstation home user, however. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From bbarnholtz at qwest.net Mon Feb 12 18:34:50 2001 From: bbarnholtz at qwest.net (Brian Barnholtz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SuSE 7.0 Help --- DHCP_ACK Message-ID: <01021218401800.00816@linux> Hello, I am running SuSE 7.0 and noticed that in my /var/log/messages file the following statement is repeasted every minute. This has created a large file and it is growing larger each day. Can anyone help me resolve this problem or if it is not important how I can prevent it from reporting to the /var/log/messages file. Feb 12 18:34:12 linux dhcpcd[133]: sending DHCP-REQUEST for 10.0.0.2 to 10.0.0.1 Feb 12 18:34:12 linux dhcpcd[133]: DHCP_ACK received from (10.0.0.1) Thank You for any help. Brian R. Barnholtz From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Feb 12 19:08:52 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RPMs under Debian In-Reply-To: <20010212183746.B32719@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 06:37:46PM -0600 References: <20010212183746.B32719@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010212190852.A57252@minime.sistina.com> On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 06:37:46PM -0600, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: >Ok, I'm a new Dweebian^WDebian user; and I am wondering how experienced >users deal with .rpms and non-.deb'ed software. >since the stuff on the debian mirrors is commonly months behind the latest >version (or maybe you're testing alpha versions of a project); what do you >do if there is a .rpm (or even just a .tgz) for a package you might already >have installed with dpkg? Install to ~/ somewhere > >do you just install with RPM, or build & install from source; and >1. hope your installation doesn't break something in the Debian arrangement; >or >2. that it won't be overwritten by your next apt-get upgrade (since dpkg >doesn't know you have this shiny new version in place of the old one). > >do you convert the .rpm to a .deb with alien; and hope nothing breaks? > >make a .deb package yourself, taking a lot of time (which others will have >to duplicate as well, since you aren't a debian package contributor and have >no desire to be one). > >Here at Real-Time, we build .rpms for everything; especially custom >packages. Bob & Nate can build rpms from scratch faster than you'd believe. >:) this is not the course I want to follow as a single-workstation home >user, however. > >Carl Soderstrom >-- >Network Engineer >Real-Time Enterprises >(952) 943-8700 >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Can anyone help me resolve this problem or ..if it is not important how I can prevent it from reporting to the ../var/log/messages file. .. ..Feb 12 18:34:12 linux dhcpcd[133]: sending DHCP-REQUEST for 10.0.0.2 to 10.0.0.1 ..Feb 12 18:34:12 linux dhcpcd[133]: DHCP_ACK received from (10.0.0.1) .. .. ..Thank You for any help. .. ..Brian R. Barnholtz .._______________________________________________ ..tclug-list mailing list ..tclug-list@mn-linux.org ..https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chrome at real-time.com Mon Feb 12 20:02:55 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RPMs under Debian In-Reply-To: <20010212190852.A57252@minime.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 07:08:52PM -0600 References: <20010212183746.B32719@real-time.com> <20010212190852.A57252@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010212200255.E3665@real-time.com> On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 07:08:52PM -0600, Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 06:37:46PM -0600, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > >Ok, I'm a new Dweebian^WDebian user; and I am wondering how experienced > >users deal with .rpms and non-.deb'ed software. > >since the stuff on the debian mirrors is commonly months behind the latest > >version (or maybe you're testing alpha versions of a project); what do you > >do if there is a .rpm (or even just a .tgz) for a package you might already > >have installed with dpkg? > > Install to ~/ somewhere it's a thought. anyone know if there's a way to convince RPM to install to a different root? like /usr/local/, or ~/local? how well does stow work in this case? Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From clay at fandre.com Mon Feb 12 20:22:35 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian network troubles Message-ID: <3A889A6B.6A184E84@fandre.com> So I rebooted my machine today after compiling the latest kernel, and not I can't start my networking services. So I rebooted back to my old kernel and still errors. Anyone have a clue? I'm running debian unstable, and I tried 2.2 and 2.4 kernels. Reconfiguring network interfaces: lo: unknown interface: Bad file descriptor SIOCDELRT: No such process SIOCSIFADDR: Bad file descriptor lo: unknown interface: Bad file descriptor lo: unknown interface: Bad file descriptor SIOCSIFADDR: Bad file descriptor eth0: unknown interface: Bad file descriptor SIOCSIFNETMASK: Bad file descriptor SIOCSIFBRDADDR: Bad file descriptor eth0: unknown interface: Bad file descriptor eth0: unknown interface: Bad file descriptor done. ac:~# My /etc/network/interfaces file hasn't changed in ages. From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Feb 12 20:53:37 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian network troubles References: <3A889A6B.6A184E84@fandre.com> Message-ID: <3A88A1B1.CF06EB6D@tc.umn.edu> Clay Fandre wrote: > > So I rebooted my machine today after compiling the latest kernel, and > not I can't start my networking services. So I rebooted back to my old > kernel and still errors. Anyone have a clue? > > I'm running debian unstable, and I tried 2.2 and 2.4 kernels. Did you do something silly like forget to compile in network support or forget to compile the modules and run `depmod -a', etc? -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Drive defensively. Buy a / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ tank. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From clay at fandre.com Mon Feb 12 21:01:36 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian network troubles References: <3A889A6B.6A184E84@fandre.com> <3A88A1B1.CF06EB6D@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3A88A390.A1FD8CBF@fandre.com> Michael Hicks wrote: > > Clay Fandre wrote: > > > > So I rebooted my machine today after compiling the latest kernel, and > > not I can't start my networking services. So I rebooted back to my old > > kernel and still errors. Anyone have a clue? > > > > I'm running debian unstable, and I tried 2.2 and 2.4 kernels. > > Did you do something silly like forget to compile in network support or > forget to compile the modules and run `depmod -a', etc? No, the eepro100 module loads just fine, but it says it's unused when I do a lsmod. I even booted back to the kernel I've been using for a month now without any luck. From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Feb 12 21:17:11 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian network troubles References: <3A889A6B.6A184E84@fandre.com> <3A88A1B1.CF06EB6D@tc.umn.edu> <3A88A390.A1FD8CBF@fandre.com> Message-ID: <3A88A737.1EC2D97B@tc.umn.edu> Clay Fandre wrote: > > Michael Hicks wrote: > > > > Did you do something silly like forget to compile in network support or > > forget to compile the modules and run `depmod -a', etc? > > No, the eepro100 module loads just fine, but it says it's unused when I > do a lsmod. I even booted back to the kernel I've been using for a month > now without any luck. I meant Internet Protocol support, but since you got modules to load, it should work.. I guess the way to check would be to look around in proc to make sure that all of the bits seem to be there: [mike@3po][~]$ cd /proc/sys/net [mike@3po][/proc/sys/net]$ ls 802/ core/ ethernet/ ipv4/ unix/ [mike@3po][/proc/sys/net]$ cd ../../net [mike@3po][/proc/net]$ ls arp igmp ip_masquerade raw snmp tcp dev ip_fwchains netstat route sockstat udp dev_mcast ip_fwnames packet rt_cache softnet_stat unix [mike@3po][/proc/net]$ -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Do fish get cramps after / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ eating? \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From tobytoo at black-hole.com Mon Feb 12 21:50:45 2001 From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (b. toberman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Show of hands for the virus References: <20010212130453.C5950@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <200102122212.f1CMC3g08671@destef.com> Message-ID: <3A88AF15.C3EC86E4@black-hole.com> OK I admit it, but then I don't run MS if I can help it, even in winbloze, I run Netscape and Corel in win. Jason DeStefano wrote: > I use it for backup when I only have telnet access. I use > Eudora for windows mail. > > Show of hands everyone...who fell for this and opened it (if > you knew what you were opening before doing so then dont raise > your hand). Be honest now.... > > Jason > > At 01:08 PM 2/12/01 -0600, you wrote: > > > >USE PINE!! :) > >portable and fast, and no worries at all about this. > > > >...I hear a poll coming...people that use PINE for email/news? > > > >MK > > > >On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > > > >> Nice, Jaque, real nice :) About 1 minute before I got this email from the > >> list, I got a virus advisory forwarded to me from someone else: > >> > >> > There is a new E-mail borne virus that is currently spreading throughout > >> > the world. > >> > > >> > Information about this virus is still emerging. Current information > >> > names > >> > the virus VBS_KALAMAR.A, KALAMAR, and > >> > VBS/SST. > >> > > >> > The virus is reported to have an attachment named ANNAKOURNIKOVA.JPG.VBS. > >> > >> Hilarious. Crazy Windows email clients :) > >> > >> Gabe > >> > > > >-- > >________________________________________________________ > >ReadyNET Go!, Inc. - Building your Business on the net > >________________________________________________________ > > > >Mark J. Kroska > >MIS Director > > > >320.656.0765 Voice > >888.447.3239 Toll Free > >320.203.7052 Fax > >http://www.readynetgo.com > >mailto:mkroska@readynetgo.com > >________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >tclug-list mailing list > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From labmat at mn.mediaone.net Mon Feb 12 22:44:49 2001 From: labmat at mn.mediaone.net (Matthew M. LaBerge) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] eth0 dies Message-ID: Hey guys, Just got a brand spanking new install of debian (thanks Zibby) on my old box, it's function is to act as a firewall, web server and broadband internet router. I have 2 Linksys Ethernet cards installed. My problem is that eth0 decides to die at random times, this is a problem and my parents are getting pissed and want me to put things back the way they were since it worked fine before this box. I don't wanna get rid of the box, and need a solution. Any ideas why it' dies. ---Office Bitch--- "At your service sir... anything for a raise sir." labmat@mn.mediaone.net labmat@augusttech.com http://www.labmat.net From spencer at sihope.com Mon Feb 12 16:49:32 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (Spencer Underground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cisco Message-ID: <003301c09546$233418c0$0200000a@toughguy.autonomous.tv> Does anyone have an url for the latest cbos version. I have 2.2.0.000 on a box. It seems lacking to the 2.3.2.019 I have been using on another router for a few months. On a related note, is anyone familiar with the DSL Pipe? I was donated one and am curios about finding out some info on it. The research I have done got me nowhere. I am looking for a solution to a security issue on my lan, and I wonder if the DSL Pipe may not be my answer. Maybe fire and brimestone is the only answer. -Spencer From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Feb 12 23:58:44 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RPMs under Debian In-Reply-To: <20010212200255.E3665@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 08:02:55PM -0600 References: <20010212183746.B32719@real-time.com> <20010212190852.A57252@minime.sistina.com> <20010212200255.E3665@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010212235844.A914@minime.sistina.com> On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 08:02:55PM -0600, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: >On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 07:08:52PM -0600, Ben Lutgens wrote: > >anyone know if there's a way to convince RPM to install to a different root? >like /usr/local/, or ~/local? If you're using rpm then your previos question is moot. Otherwise, I am pretty sure you can tell the package wherever you want the stuff when you build it. > >how well does stow work in this case? > >Carl Soderstrom >-- >Network Engineer >Real-Time Enterprises >(952) 943-8700 >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010212/a4a91d25/attachment.pgp From kbullock at ringworld.org Tue Feb 13 00:03:11 2001 From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin R. Bullock) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RPMs under Debian In-Reply-To: <20010212183746.B32719@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > Ok, I'm a new Dweebian^WDebian user; and I am wondering how experienced > users deal with .rpms and non-.deb'ed software. > since the stuff on the debian mirrors is commonly months behind the latest > version (or maybe you're testing alpha versions of a project); what do you > do if there is a .rpm (or even just a .tgz) for a package you might already > have installed with dpkg? I'll save the standard 'if you want bleeding-edge run testing' speech, since I assume you've heard that part already. :) Personally, I like to have a few things bleeding-edge, with most of my system running well-tested, stable software. So here's what I do. My Debian install is the latest stable, a.k.a. potato. For other software that either isn't included or isn't the latest version in potato, I use a combination of a few methods: 1) If I can find source, I compile from that rather than using an RPM usually. It keeps my system generally cleaner. From source I can go one of two directions: A) If I'm lazy, or just want to test something, and/or it doesn't need to be in the same location as packaged things, I'll just throw it in /usr/local/stow/ and stow it. B) If the package does need the same prefix as pre-packaged things (e.g. extra GNOME libraries), and/or I'm feeling meticulous/anal, I make a Debian package out of it. This isn't as hard as it seems at first. The best place to start reading is probably the New Maintainer's Guide, available at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-first.html. 2) If you want to install from RPM, I would recommend using alien. It does a fairly clean job of things, and you can always check the .deb it generates before you install it. I believe there's also a way to tweak the control scripts before you actually build the package. Using these methods, and taking meticulous notes about what I install, I've managed to keep a relatively clean system, get the bleeding-edge software I want without sacrificing too much stability, and not expend too much effort in doing so. As always, YMMV, but HTH. (those damn acronyms... ;p ) Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa Kevin R. Bullock From kbullock at ringworld.org Tue Feb 13 00:06:24 2001 From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin R. Bullock) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SuSE 7.0 Help --- DHCP_ACK In-Reply-To: <01021219091100.01535@linux> Message-ID: On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Brian Barnholtz wrote: > One other note for below message: > > I also see in my bootlog the following: > > linux dhcpcd[#]: broadcastAddr option is missing in DHCP server resonse. > Assuming 10.0.0.255 > > I am not sure if it is related ? It probably is, but could you provide more information about how your network is set up? What network context is the machine located in? Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa Kevin R. Bullock From chrome at real-time.com Tue Feb 13 00:30:27 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RPMs under Debian In-Reply-To: ; from kbullock@ringworld.org on Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 12:03:11AM -0600 References: <20010212183746.B32719@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010213003022.F3665@real-time.com> > I'll save the standard 'if you want bleeding-edge run testing' speech, > since I assume you've heard that part already. :) already am. but stuff like Galeon, GQview, Pan, Mozilla, Xchat... are many versions behind the current stuff on their web pages. (this is to be expected). > 1) If I can find source, I compile from that rather than using an RPM > usually. It keeps my system generally cleaner. From source I can go one > of two directions: > A) If I'm lazy, or just want to test something, and/or it doesn't need > to be in the same location as packaged things, I'll just throw it in > /usr/local/stow/ and stow it. sounds like a reasonable option for stuff you don't update much. or is it good for testing new versions of stuff? make a separate directory under /usr/local/stow for each new version? > B) If the package does need the same prefix as pre-packaged things > (e.g. extra GNOME libraries), and/or I'm feeling meticulous/anal, I > make a Debian package out of it. This isn't as hard as it seems at > first. The best place to start reading is probably the New > Maintainer's Guide, available at > http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-first.html. I'll have to learn it one of these days. I'm pretty much a non-coder, but I have contributed some RPM .spec files to projects. > 2) If you want to install from RPM, I would recommend using alien. It > does a fairly clean job of things, and you can always check the .deb it > generates before you install it. I believe there's also a way to tweak > the control scripts before you actually build the package. how well does it deal with apt-get upgrades? I would hope that by using this method; the version I install wouldn't be overwritten by something that apt grabbed (unless there indeed was a newer version on the debian mirrors). thanks a lot for the advice! Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Tue Feb 13 00:34:28 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] eth0 dies In-Reply-To: ; from labmat@mn.mediaone.net on Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 10:44:49PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20010213003428.G3665@real-time.com> > Just got a brand spanking new install of debian (thanks Zibby) on my old > box, it's function is to act as a firewall, web server and broadband > internet router. I have 2 Linksys Ethernet cards installed. My problem is > that eth0 decides to die at random times, this is a problem and my parents > are getting pissed and want me to put things back the way they were since it > worked fine before this box. I don't wanna get rid of the box, and need a > solution. Any ideas why it' dies. got any other boards you can replace it with? I'd suspect a bad board. I've had a bad experience with a Linksys KVM switch, and I'll avoid their products like the plague from now on. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From foeclan at winternet.com Tue Feb 13 00:47:19 2001 From: foeclan at winternet.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] eth0 dies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: What kernel version are you using, and which Linksys cards are they? I had some problems with errors on my Linksys LNE100TX under Kernel 2.2.17, where it would be unable to connect for a few minutes after powering the system on (ifconfig reported transmit errors). I upgraded to Kernel 2.4.0 and the problem went away. They also added some other improvements for multiple ethernet card configurations to that release, so you might want to give it a shot. Michael Vieths Foeclan@Winternet.Com On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Matthew M. LaBerge wrote: > Hey guys, > > Just got a brand spanking new install of debian (thanks Zibby) on my old > box, it's function is to act as a firewall, web server and broadband > internet router. I have 2 Linksys Ethernet cards installed. My problem is > that eth0 decides to die at random times, this is a problem and my parents > are getting pissed and want me to put things back the way they were since it > worked fine before this box. I don't wanna get rid of the box, and need a > solution. Any ideas why it' dies. > > ---Office Bitch--- > "At your service sir... anything for a raise sir." > labmat@mn.mediaone.net > labmat@augusttech.com > http://www.labmat.net From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Feb 13 03:30:54 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rehash: pine/ssl? Message-ID: Hi, I've asked before but nobody answered... I _know_ you all wanted to and still feel bad about missing out! So here it is again: Anyone using Pine/SSL? Preferably one fo the new Pines (4.3x) where it's built-in? Darn thing won't connect to my (uw!!!) IMAP server even though Netscape/Mozilla will. I'm open to suggestions for other mail clients that'll do SSL/IMAP (I don't think Mutt does). -Yaron -- From tanner at real-time.com Tue Feb 13 03:40:05 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rehash: pine/ssl? In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 03:30:54AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20010213034005.F26843@real-time.com> Quoting Yaron (jethro@freakzilla.com): > Hi, > > I've asked before but nobody answered... I _know_ you all wanted to and > still feel bad about missing out! So here it is again: > > Anyone using Pine/SSL? Preferably one fo the new Pines (4.3x) where it's > built-in? Darn thing won't connect to my (uw!!!) IMAP server even though > Netscape/Mozilla will. > > I'm open to suggestions for other mail clients that'll do SSL/IMAP (I > don't think Mutt does). Mutt does and I use it all the time. When I am offsite at a client site, I use mutt and imap-ssl to get my mail and use sendmail+smtp_auth+tls to relay mail from my laptop to our main mail server. The default rpm of mutt has ssl enabled. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Feb 13 03:47:04 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rehash: pine/ssl? In-Reply-To: <20010213034005.F26843@real-time.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > Mutt does and I use it all the time. When I am offsite at a client site, I use > mutt and imap-ssl to get my mail and use sendmail+smtp_auth+tls to relay mail > from my laptop to our main mail server. Wow, I'm outdated on Mutt. Last I heard it barely did imap. Ok, only thing REALLY stopping me from using Mutt is lack of a decent editor.... I don't want to use vi for writing... and using pico with mutt is kinda... I dunno, what's a bad word for ironic? -Yaron -- From tanner at real-time.com Tue Feb 13 03:54:10 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rehash: pine/ssl? In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 03:47:04AM -0600 References: <20010213034005.F26843@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010213035410.H26843@real-time.com> Quoting Yaron (jethro@freakzilla.com): > Wow, I'm outdated on Mutt. Last I heard it barely did imap. > > Ok, only thing REALLY stopping me from using Mutt is lack of a decent > editor.... I don't want to use vi for writing... and using pico with mutt > is kinda... I dunno, what's a bad word for ironic? Ok, us vim. If you can't use vim, go back to Windows and notepad! :-P Pico will work with mutt just fine, set EDITOR and VISUAL to pico and you are ready to go. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Feb 13 04:03:33 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rehash: pine/ssl? In-Reply-To: <20010213035410.H26843@real-time.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > Ok, us vim. If you can't use vim, go back to Windows and notepad! :-P I can never 'go back' to Windows and Notepad, because that ain't where I came from! I'd have to go back to DOS and edlin or edit.com. All I want is a text editor that does word-wrapping CORRECTLY (which pine/pico don't do but I got used to the workaround). I have used vi/vim/vile/elvis/vigor for plain-text editing and find it simply horrible. Granted, I don't know how to turn on wordwrapping, or make it so ou don't need to switch in and out of Insert mode... those guys are great for coding, but don't work for my plaintext needs... -Yaron -- From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Feb 13 05:00:40 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rehash: pine/ssl? In-Reply-To: <20010213034005.F26843@real-time.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > The default rpm of mutt has ssl enabled. Not the default from Mutt's homepage. GOD they made Mutt agony to configure at 4:00am when you're really tired. Hey Bob, how 'bout sharing your .muttrc? I can't figure out how to have it use an SMTP server rather than trying to run sendmail. And god the keybindings... gaaaaahh. -Yaron -- From tanner at real-time.com Tue Feb 13 05:08:49 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rehash: pine/ssl? In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 05:00:40AM -0600 References: <20010213034005.F26843@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010213050849.L26843@real-time.com> Quoting Yaron (jethro@freakzilla.com): > Hi, > > On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > The default rpm of mutt has ssl enabled. > > Not the default from Mutt's homepage. GOD they made Mutt agony to > configure at 4:00am when you're really tired. > > Hey Bob, how 'bout sharing your .muttrc? I can't figure out how to have it > use an SMTP server rather than trying to run sendmail. > > And god the keybindings... gaaaaahh. Isn't my muttrc on my tclug personal page? I am leeching mozilla nightly built to it's toooo slow to go look myself! -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Tue Feb 13 08:00:35 2001 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rehash: pine/ssl? In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 04:03:33AM -0600 References: <20010213035410.H26843@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010213080035.B7854@sorry.cs.umn.edu> > I have used vi/vim/vile/elvis/vigor for plain-text editing and find it > simply horrible. Granted, I don't know how to turn on wordwrapping, or > make it so ou don't need to switch in and out of Insert mode... those guys > are great for coding, but don't work for my plaintext needs... > Vim does a great job of word wrapping. Throw this in your .vimrc set textwidth=75 This sets the maximum length of a line to 75 characters. If a word puts you over 75, that word will be wrapped to the next line (like a emacs-type editor). Also, if your line _does_ get really long (because you concat multiple lines, or some such), just hit gq$ in command mode (but no colon), and your giant line will be broken up into "window width"-long lines. It's nifty. Try giving the docs a read before you just give up on a far-superior editor. Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Question with boldness even the existence of a god." - Thomas Jefferson ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Tue Feb 13 08:38:42 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RPMs under Debian In-Reply-To: <20010213003022.F3665@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 12:30:27AM -0600 References: <20010212183746.B32719@real-time.com> <20010213003022.F3665@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010213083841.B4630@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 12:30:27AM -0600, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > > 2) If you want to install from RPM, I would recommend using alien. It > > does a fairly clean job of things, and you can always check the .deb it > > generates before you install it. I believe there's also a way to tweak > > the control scripts before you actually build the package. > how well does it deal with apt-get upgrades? I would hope that by > using this method; the version I install wouldn't be overwritten by > something that apt grabbed (unless there indeed was a newer version on the > debian mirrors). Well, the safest way to keep packages from being over-written is to put packages on hold. This stops apt (or dselect) from trying to update the package. The easiest (non-dselect way - since lots of people dislike dselect) way to put packages on hold is to use dpkg --get-selections and dpkg --set-selections. First: dpkg --get-selections < TMP_FILE_WHATEVER Then edit TMP_FILE_WHATEVER with your favorite editor (vim, of course) and then change the status after the packeages you want to hold from 'install' to 'hold'. Finally: dpkg --set-selections > TMP_FILE_WHATEVER After that apt will not try to update those packages and apt-get will tell you that it is holding them back when you do apt-get upgrades. (If you like dselect, simply find the package name from the package list, and hit '=' or "H" to put a package on hold - there are probably similar command for the apt UI's.) -- Jim Crumley | crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | From kelly.black at testquest.com Tue Feb 13 08:40:10 2001 From: kelly.black at testquest.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Here you have, ;o) In-Reply-To: <20010212160524.A21863@iaxs.net>; from sraun@fireopal.org on Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 04:05:24PM -0600 References: <20010212130453.C5950@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <20010212160524.A21863@iaxs.net> Message-ID: <20010213084010.A17368@testquest.com> I second that. Mutt all the way! (till you are forced to use Exchange/Lookout) (or you write a more secure client...) Kelly Black On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 04:05:24PM -0600, Scott Raun wrote: > On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 01:08:00PM -0600, Mark K wrote: > > > > USE PINE!! :) > > portable and fast, and no worries at all about this. > > > > ...I hear a poll coming...people that use PINE for email/news? > > Mutt > > -- > Scott Raun > sraun@fireopal.org > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From kelly.black at testquest.com Tue Feb 13 08:46:18 2001 From: kelly.black at testquest.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HP OpenMail? In-Reply-To: <20010212175240.A22308@iaxs.net>; from sraun@fireopal.org on Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 05:52:40PM -0600 References: <20010212175240.A22308@iaxs.net> Message-ID: <20010213084618.B17368@testquest.com> Yes, Great stuff.. Installed it as a demo (you can down-load the Linux version for free, and run with up to 50 users for free (you must renew annually)). It has so many command line tools for getting the job done!... Just wish we could have overcome the FUD here to implement it. Steep learning curve, but well worth the effort, I feel. Kelly Black On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 05:52:40PM -0600, Scott Raun wrote: > Anyone have any experience with HP OpenMail? > > It reads like it could be a drop-in replacement for MS Exchange. > > -- > Scott Raun > sraun@fireopal.org > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From duncan at sodatrain.com Tue Feb 13 08:57:57 2001 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail clients In-Reply-To: <20010213084010.A17368@testquest.com> Message-ID: has anyone had any luck with helix-gnome, *cough* i mean Ximian's Evolution? Some say it has the potential to be an exchange killer... its mail list is very active, and it certianly isint ready for every day joe, but it looks like it will have some great features. may be worth a look for thoes that want to be exchange killers! httpL//www.ximian.com/apps/evolution.php3 On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Kelly Black wrote: > I second that. > > Mutt all the way! (till you are forced to use Exchange/Lookout) (or you write a more secure client...) > > Kelly Black > > On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 04:05:24PM -0600, Scott Raun wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 01:08:00PM -0600, Mark K wrote: > > > > > > USE PINE!! :) > > > portable and fast, and no worries at all about this. > > > > > > ...I hear a poll coming...people that use PINE for email/news? > > > > Mutt > > > > -- > > Scott Raun > > sraun@fireopal.org > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- || || || || || || duncan shannon .-. duncan@sodatrain.com /v\ // \\ /( )\ L I N U X ^^-^^ >Phear the Penguin< From andyzb at ltiflex.com Tue Feb 13 08:58:49 2001 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] eth0 dies References: Message-ID: <3A894BA9.587CA862@ltiflex.com> Michael Vieths wrote: > > What kernel version are you using, and which Linksys cards are they? > > I had some problems with errors on my Linksys LNE100TX under Kernel > 2.2.17, where it would be unable to connect for a few minutes after > powering the system on (ifconfig reported transmit errors). I upgraded to > Kernel 2.4.0 and the problem went away. They also added some other > improvements for multiple ethernet card configurations to that release, so > you might want to give it a shot. They are the latest version of the Linksys LNE100TX. They need the latest network card drivers from http://www.scyld.com, at least for 2.2 kernels. Haven't tried a 2.4 kernel on the machine. One way to find out... -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: andyzb.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 367 bytes Desc: Card for Andy Zbikowski Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010213/568b64d0/andyzb.vcf From bbarnholtz at qwest.net Tue Feb 13 09:06:41 2001 From: bbarnholtz at qwest.net (Brian Barnholtz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SuSE 7.0 Help --- DHCP_ACKI In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01021309075400.00717@linux> I have a single machine with an ethernet card and a external Cisco DSL modem. I checked for a dhcp file in my /etc and there was none. Thanks Brian On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, you wrote: > On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Brian Barnholtz wrote: > > > One other note for below message: > > > > I also see in my bootlog the following: > > > > linux dhcpcd[#]: broadcastAddr option is missing in DHCP server resonse. > > Assuming 10.0.0.255 > > > > I am not sure if it is related ? > > It probably is, but could you provide more information about how your > network is set up? What network context is the machine located in? > > Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa > Kevin R. Bullock > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dd-b at dd-b.net Tue Feb 13 09:47:16 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cisco In-Reply-To: <003301c09546$233418c0$0200000a@toughguy.autonomous.tv> References: <003301c09546$233418c0$0200000a@toughguy.autonomous.tv> Message-ID: "Spencer Underground" writes: > Does anyone have an url for the latest cbos version. I have 2.2.0.000 on a > box. It seems lacking to the 2.3.2.019 I have been using on another router > for a few months. The latest is at least 2.4 (but I'm still running 2.2). Qwest seems not very interested in keeping people current on this. When I found 2.2 to upgrade *to*, I actually got a pointer to it from USWest (at the time) tech support. -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Feb 13 09:51:28 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rehash: pine/ssl? In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 04:03:33AM -0600 References: <20010213035410.H26843@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010213095128.B1088@minime.sistina.com> On Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 04:03:33AM -0600, Yaron wrote: > Hi, > >I have used vi/vim/vile/elvis/vigor for plain-text editing and find it >simply horrible. Granted, I don't know how to turn on wordwrapping, or >make it so ou don't need to switch in and out of Insert mode... those guys >are great for coding, but don't work for my plaintext needs... We're creeping into an editor war here, but I can assure you that if you had a good vimrc you'd become a convert. vi is best for simple editing (sysadmin type stuff) -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010213/a50e86e9/attachment.pgp From tobytoo at black-hole.com Tue Feb 13 09:46:17 2001 From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (Brian Toberman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Web Server Man pages Message-ID: <570520012213154617845@black-hole.com> Can anyone point me toward the man pages on setting up a web server under Win 2000 or Free BSD? From blayer at qwest.net Tue Feb 13 04:07:44 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cisco In-Reply-To: References: <003301c09546$233418c0$0200000a@toughguy.autonomous.tv> Message-ID: <01021310074403.00245@Homer> While speaking with Qwest support one day, on this very subject, the support tech quipped that upgrade was a double-edged sword - that is, he wasn't too excited about trading off known bugs in the current version, for known & unknown bugs in the newer. He alluded to some worrysome holes in the 2.4 series CBOS, that (at the time) were not very well quantified. I stuck with 2.2.X > The latest is at least 2.4 (but I'm still running 2.2). Qwest seems > not very interested in keeping people current on this. When I found > 2.2 to upgrade *to*, I actually got a pointer to it from USWest (at > the time) tech support. -- -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From ben at nerp.net Tue Feb 13 10:15:25 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Web Server Man pages In-Reply-To: <570520012213154617845@black-hole.com> Message-ID: http://www.apache.org Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Brian Toberman wrote: > Can anyone point me toward the man pages on setting up a web server > under Win 2000 or Free BSD? > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Tue Feb 13 10:14:09 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] eth0 dies In-Reply-To: <20010213003428.G3665@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > Just got a brand spanking new install of debian (thanks Zibby) on my old > > box, it's function is to act as a firewall, web server and broadband > > internet router. I have 2 Linksys Ethernet cards installed. My problem is > > that eth0 decides to die at random times, this is a problem and my parents > > are getting pissed and want me to put things back the way they were since it > > worked fine before this box. I don't wanna get rid of the box, and need a > > solution. Any ideas why it' dies. > > got any other boards you can replace it with? I'd suspect a bad board. > I've had a bad experience with a Linksys KVM switch, and I'll avoid their > products like the plague from now on. And this is how superstitions get started... ;) Has anything changed re PCI/ISA card combinations in adding the new card? I've had to westle with reserving interrupts so they don't get stolen by the PCI controller. Odds are there's nothing wrong with anything, but perhaps a BIOS setting could be more nearly correct. 2 cents... Phil M -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From chrome at real-time.com Tue Feb 13 10:18:32 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rehash: pine/ssl? In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 05:00:40AM -0600 References: <20010213034005.F26843@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010213101832.D19132@real-time.com> > Hey Bob, how 'bout sharing your .muttrc? I can't figure out how to have it > use an SMTP server rather than trying to run sendmail. > > And god the keybindings... gaaaaahh. I think they're some of the best keybindings out there. very sensible and practical. (tho it did take a while for me to get used to 'd' being 'delete' instead of 'down to next message', and up/down arrows switch to previous/next message, rather than scrolling up/down. but it didn't bother me enough to make me do anything about it.) I'll include my .muttrc. I've got a fairly extensive list of colorizations that I do for messages. Everyone has their own preferences for those. Carl. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 #edited by cws 07/06/00, for work at real-time.com # I might have it workable this time.. 05/06/00 #edited again by cws, 03/25/00 #edited by cws, 03/07/00 # $Id: sample.muttrc,v 1.2.4.1 1999/09/03 21:42:16 roessler Exp $ # - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - # # ME's personal .muttrc (Mutt 0.92.5) # # The format of this file is one command per line. Everything after a pound # sign (#) is a comment, unless a backward slash (\) precedes it # # Note: $folder should be set _before_ any other path vars where `+' or `=' # is used because paths are expanded when parsed # #set folder=~/Mail # where i keep my mailboxes set realname="Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom" set abort_unmodified=yes # automatically abort replies if I don't # change the message set alias_file=~/Mail/mail-aliases # where I keep my aliases #set allow_8bit # never do Q-P encoding on legal 8-bit chars set arrow_cursor # use -> instead of hiliting the whole line #set ascii_chars # use ASCII instead of ACS chars for threads #set askbcc set askcc #set attribution="On %d, %n wrote:" # how to attribute replies set autoedit # go to the editor right away when composing #set auto_tag # always operate on tagged messages #set charset="iso-8859-1" # character set for your terminal set noconfirmappend # don't ask me if i want to append to mailboxes #set confirmcreate # prompt when creating new files set copy=yes # always save a copy of outgoing messages set delete=yes # purge deleted messages without asking #set edit_headers # let me edit the message header when composing set editor="vi -c 'set textwidth=76'" # editor to use when composing messages #set fast_reply # skip initial prompts when replying #set fcc_attach # keep attachments in copies of sent messages? #set force_name # fcc by recipient, create if mailbox doesn't exist #set forward_decode # weed and MIME decode forwaded messages #set forward_format="[%a: %s]" # subject to use when forwarding messages #set forward_quote # quote the header and body of forward msgs #set hdr_format="%4C %Z %{%m/%d} [%2N] %-15.15F (%4c) %s" set hdr_format="%4C %Z %{%m/%d} %-15.15F (%4c) %s" # format of the index #### # this allows me to put my own name in as the sender, if I'm not on the mail # server I claim to be from. #set hdrs # include `my_hdr' lines in outgoing messages #my_hdr From: chrome@real-time.com #set sendmail="usr/lib/sendmail -oi -oem -fchrome@real-time.com" #set header # include message header when replying set help # show the help lines #set history=20 # number of lines of history to remember set hostname="real-time.com" # my DNS domain set include # always include messages when replying #set indent_string="> " # how to quote replied text #set locale="C" # locale to use for printing time #set mailcap_path="~/.mailcap:/usr/local/share/mailcap" set nomark_old # i don't care about whether a message is old set mail_check=1 # how often to poll for new mail #set mbox=+mbox # where to store read messages set menu_scroll # no implicit next-page/prev-page #set metoo # remove my address when replying #set mime_forward # use message/rfc822 type to forward messages set move=no # don't ask about moving messages, just do it #set pager=less # some people prefer an external pager set pager_context=3 # no. of lines of context to give when scrolling #set pager_format="-%S- %-20.20f %s" # format of the pager status bar set pager_index_lines=4 # how many index lines to show in the pager set pager_stop # don't move to the next message on next-page #set pgp_strict_enc # use Q-P encoding when needed for PGP set postponed=+postponed # mailbox to store postponed messages in #set post_indent_string='---end quoted text---' #set print=ask-yes # ask me if I really want to print messages set print_command=/bin/false # how to print things (I like to save trees) set noprompt_after # ask me for a command after the external pager exits #set quote_regexp="^ *[a-zA-Z]*[>:#}]" # how to catch quoted text set read_inc=25 # show progress when reading a mailbox #set recall # prompt to recall postponed messages set record=+outbox # default location to save outgoing mail set reply_to # always use reply-to if present #set reply_regexp="^(re:[ \t]*)+"# how to identify replies in the subject: #set resolve # move to the next message when an action is performed #set reverse_alias # attempt to look up my names for people set reverse_name # use my address as it appears in the message # i am replying to set nosave_empty # remove files when no messages are left #set save_name # save outgoing messages by recipient, if the #set sendmail="/usr/lib/sendmail -oi -oem" # how to deliver mail #set shell="/bin/zsh" # program to use for shell escapes set signature="~/.sig" # file which contains my signature # Mutt will draw a nice tree showing how the discussion flows. set sort=threads # primary sorting method #set sort_aux=reverse-date-received # how to sort subthreads #set sort_aux=last-date # date of the last message in thread set sort_browser=alpha # how to sort files in the dir browser #set spoolfile='/home/admin/Mail/mbox' # where my new mail is located #set status_format="-%r-Mutt: %f [Msgs:%?M?%M/?%m%?n? New:%n?%?d? Del:%d?%?F? Flag:%F?%?t? Tag:%t?%?p? Post:%p?%?b? Inc:%b? %l]---(%s)-%>-(%P)---" set status_on_top # some people prefer the status bar on top #set strict_threads # don't thread by subject set tilde # virtual lines to pad blank lines in the pager #set timeout=0 # timeout for prompt in the index menu set tmpdir=~/Mail/tmp # where to store temp files #set to_chars=" +TCF" #set use_8bitmime # enable the -B8BITMIME sendmail flag set nouse_domain # don't qualify local addresses with $domain #set use_from # always generate the `From:' header field #set use_mailcap=yes # always use a mailcap entry when found #set pgp_verify_sig=no # don't automatically verify message signatures #set visual=vim # editor invoked by ~v in the builtin editor #set nowait_key # prompt when a pipe returns normal status set write_inc=25 # show progress while writing mailboxes # only enable the following IFF you have sendmail 8.8.x or you will not # be able to send mail!!! #set dsn_notify='failure,delay' # when to return an error message #set dsn_return=hdrs # what to return in the error message # - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - # # Header fields I don't normally want to see # ignore * # this means "ignore all lines by default" # I do want to see these fields, though! unignore from: subject to cc mail-followup-to \ date x-mailer x-url resent-from resent-to #this shows how nicely wrap long lines # - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - # Color definitions # # # object foreground backg. RegExp # #color normal white default color hdrdefault cyan default color quoted cyan default color signature brightred default color indicator brightyellow red color error brightred default color status yellow blue color tree brightblue default # the thread tree in the index menu color tilde blue default color message brightcyan default color markers brightcyan default color attachment brightcyan default color search default green # how to hilite search patterns in the pager color header cyan default ^(From|Subject): color body magenta default "(ftp|http)://[^ ]+" # point out URLs color body magenta default [-a-z_0-9.]+@[-a-z_0-9.]+ # e-mail addresses color underline brightgreen default #### color message index !!! # order is important here; the last matching line will set the display uncolor index * # unset all color index entries color index magenta default ~T # Tagged color index green default "TCLUG" color index white red ~N # New color index blue default ~D # Deleted color index red default "(Tanner|Carlson|Jensen|Soderstrom)" # attributes when using a mono terminal #mono header underline ^(From|Subject): mono quoted bold # - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - # # Key bindings # # maps: # alias alias menu # attach attachment menu # browser directory browser # compose compose menu # index message index # pgp pgp menu # postpone postponed message recall menu # generic generic keymap for all of the above # editor line editor # pager text viewer # bind generic "\e<" first-entry # emacs-like bindings for moving to top/bottom bind generic \e> last-entry bind generic { top-page bind generic } bottom-page bind generic \177 last-entry macro index \cb |urlview\n # simulate the old browse-url function macro index S s+spam\n macro pager S s+spam\n #macro index \# /bug^M # search for bugs #macro index "\"" ":set realname=\"real hairy macro\"^M:set ?realname^M" # and a comment to boot! #macro index f1 :woohoo! bind pager G bottom # just like vi and less #macro pager \Ck "|pgp -kaf^M" # a comment is valid here #macro pager X "|morepgp^M" # pipe PGP message to a script #bind editor \cy eol # make ^Y jump to the end of the line # - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - # # User Defined Headers # #my_hdr X-Useless-Header: Look ma, it's a \# sign! # real comment #my_hdr X-Operating-System: `uname -sr` # - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - # # Specify default filename when saving messages # # save-hook [!] # # is provided as default when saving messages from #save-hook mutt- =mutt-mail #save-hook aol\.com +spam # - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - # # Multiple spool mailboxes # # mbox-hook [!] # # Read mail in is moved to when is # closed. #mbox-hook =mutt-users.in =mutt-users #mbox-hook +TEST +inbox # - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - # # Change settings based upon message recipient # # send-hook [!] # # is executed when sending mail to an address matching #send-hook mutt- 'set signature=~/.sigmutt; my_hdr From: Mutt User ' # - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - # # Specify where to save composed messages # # fcc-hook [!] # # is recipient(s), is where to save a copy #fcc-hook joe +joe #fcc-hook bob +bob # - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - # # Change settings based on mailbox # # folder-hook [!] # # is executed when opening a mailbox matching #folder-hook . 'set sort=date-sent' #folder-hook mutt 'set hdr_format="%4C %Z %02m/%02N %-20.20F (%4l) %s"' #folder-hook =mutt my_hdr Revolution: \#9 # real comment #folder-hook . 'set reply_regexp="^re:[ \t]*"' # this mailing list prepends "[WM]" to all non reply subjects, so set # $reply_regexp to ignore it #folder-hook +wmaker 'set reply_regexp="^(re:[ \t]*)?\[WM\][ \t]*"' # - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - # # Mailboxes to watch for new mail # # mailboxes [ ... ] # #mailboxes `echo $HOME/Mail/*` # - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - # # Specify the order of the headers to appear when displaying a message # # hdr_order [ ... ] # unhdr_order * # forget the previous settings hdr_order date from subject to cc # - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - # # Identify mailing lists I subscribe to # # lists [ ... ] #lists mutt-dev mutt-users # - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - # # Automatically use entries from ~/.mailcap to view these MIME types # # auto_view [ ... ] auto_view application/x-gunzip auto_view application/x-gzip auto_view text/html # - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - # # Scoring # # score # # 9999 and -9999 are special values which cause processing of hooks to stop # at that entry. If you prefix the score with an equal sign (=), the score # is assigned to the message and processing stops. #score '~f ^me@cs\.hmc\.edu$' 1000 #score '~t mutt | ~c mutt' =500 #score '~f aol\.com$' -9999 # - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - # # I use Mutt on several different machines, so I put local config commands # in a separate file so I can have the rest of the settings the same on all # machines. # #source ~/.muttrc-local # config commands local to this site # EOF From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Tue Feb 13 10:20:41 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rehash: pine/ssl? In-Reply-To: <20010213095128.B1088@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Ben Lutgens wrote: > We're creeping into an editor war here, but I can assure you that if you had a > good vimrc you'd become a convert. vi is best for simple editing (sysadmin > type stuff) Sure -- if you don't type well enough for cat > -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From andy at theasis.com Tue Feb 13 10:29:50 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rehash: pine/ssl, mutt, whatever.... In-Reply-To: <20010213101832.D19132@real-time.com> Message-ID: > I think they're some of the best keybindings out there. very sensible and > practical. (tho it did take a while for me to get used to 'd' being 'delete' > instead of 'down to next message', and up/down arrows switch to > previous/next message, rather than scrolling up/down. but it didn't bother > me enough to make me do anything about it.) I was able to arrange the keybindings so that they were close enough to sane that I thought I could adapt. However, my brief experiences with mutt left me unsatisfied with its msg search/filtering power, as compared with pine. When you enable-aggregate-command-set in pine, you can make and refine selection of messages based on To, From, Subject, all text, etc. I couldn't determine how to do that in Mutt. So I switched back to pine, with some regret, since there are a lot of mutt features that I really like (esp. the different colors for different levels of quoted text). Andy > > Carl. > From jsowers at osii.com Tue Feb 13 10:37:52 2001 From: jsowers at osii.com (Jason Sowers) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rehash: pine/ssl, mutt, whatever.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In my brief experience with pine and all these, I was dissapointed because it didin't give me the option of being inter-weaved with all my other applications the way that Outlook is, giving the abilities to anyone who can "write/author" a VB Script to send me a virus that would virtually kill my local machine as well as the mail server with DOS attacks. For those of you who didn't catch it, this is a joke. Later ____________________________________ Jason Sowers Network Engineer Open Systems International 3600 Holly Lane North Suite 40 Minneapolis, MN 55447-1286 Phone: (763) 551-0559 Fax: (763) 551-1750 Email: jsowers@osii.com http: www.osii.com & www.e-scada.com -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of andy@theasis.com Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 10:30 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Rehash: pine/ssl, mutt, whatever.... > I think they're some of the best keybindings out there. very sensible and > practical. (tho it did take a while for me to get used to 'd' being 'delete' > instead of 'down to next message', and up/down arrows switch to > previous/next message, rather than scrolling up/down. but it didn't bother > me enough to make me do anything about it.) I was able to arrange the keybindings so that they were close enough to sane that I thought I could adapt. However, my brief experiences with mutt left me unsatisfied with its msg search/filtering power, as compared with pine. When you enable-aggregate-command-set in pine, you can make and refine selection of messages based on To, From, Subject, all text, etc. I couldn't determine how to do that in Mutt. So I switched back to pine, with some regret, since there are a lot of mutt features that I really like (esp. the different colors for different levels of quoted text). Andy > > Carl. > _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From andy at theasis.com Tue Feb 13 10:44:43 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rehash: pine/ssl, mutt, whatever.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > In my brief experience with pine and all these, I was dissapointed because > it didin't give me the option of being inter-weaved with all my other > applications the way that Outlook is, giving the abilities to anyone who can Hey man, you can do that in emacs! Andy > ____________________________________ > Jason Sowers From jeffr at odeon.net Tue Feb 13 10:56:53 2001 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rehash: pine/ssl, mutt, whatever.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Re: different colors for different levels of quoted text I'm currently using pine and I get different colors for different levels of quoted text. Pine version is 4.21. Jeff On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 andy@theasis.com wrote: > > I think they're some of the best keybindings out there. very sensible and > > practical. (tho it did take a while for me to get used to 'd' being 'delete' > > instead of 'down to next message', and up/down arrows switch to > > previous/next message, rather than scrolling up/down. but it didn't bother > > me enough to make me do anything about it.) > > I was able to arrange the keybindings so that they were close enough to > sane that I thought I could adapt. > > However, my brief experiences with mutt left me unsatisfied with its msg > search/filtering power, as compared with pine. When you > enable-aggregate-command-set in pine, you can make and refine selection of > messages based on To, From, Subject, all text, etc. I couldn't determine > how to do that in Mutt. So I switched back to pine, with some regret, > since there are a lot of mutt features that I really like (esp. the > different colors for different levels of quoted text). > > Andy > > > > > Carl. > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From andy at theasis.com Tue Feb 13 11:03:05 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rehash: pine/ssl, mutt, whatever.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Re: different colors for different levels of quoted text > > I'm currently using pine and I get different colors for different levels > of quoted text. Pine version is 4.21. And you'll be tellin me how to turn that on & configure it, now, right? Andy > > Jeff > From andyzb at ltiflex.com Tue Feb 13 11:23:10 2001 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Internal E-mail Message-ID: <3A896D7E.E72A61AD@ltiflex.com> I pondering methods for taking an allready existing, public mail account and restrict it to reciving mail only from others on the same domain. My first thought was cooking up a procmail recipie. This would only work as the user doesn't have a shell beyond /bin/false, and wouldn't know how to use a shell anyway. Anyone else have any ideas on how to do something like this? -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Use cat to create a new file sure but for editing an existing file. Whatever, perhaps you should just use sed. > >-- >"To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In the .pinerc file down towards the bottom you should see something like the following: quote1-foreground-color= quote1-background-color= quote2-foreground-color= quote2-background-color= quote3-foreground-color= quote3-background-color= You can specify the colors black, blue, green, cyan, red, magenta, yellow, or white there. Also look for the following: # Controls display of color color-style=force-ansi-8color You can also access this same information via the main menu, under setup, and then hit K for Kolor. I don't see anything else in my setup that would effect the quoted text color. Hope that helps, Jeff On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 andy@theasis.com wrote: > > Re: different colors for different levels of quoted text > > > > I'm currently using pine and I get different colors for different levels > > of quoted text. Pine version is 4.21. > > And you'll be tellin me how to turn that on & configure it, now, right? > > Andy > > > > > Jeff > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From andy at theasis.com Tue Feb 13 12:19:26 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rehash: pine/ssl, mutt, whatever.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Also look for the following: > > # Controls display of color > color-style=force-ansi-8color > > You can also access this same information via the main menu, under setup, > and then hit K for Kolor. Right, I remember now... I tried to play with that option at least, but couldn't get it to behave with my setup, which uses black text on off-white background. Even then, I wasn't aware of the quotelist options. I'll try again. Thanks, Andy > I don't see anything else in my setup that would effect the quoted text > color. > > Hope that helps, > > Jeff From scottdagastino at yahoo.com Tue Feb 13 12:26:24 2001 From: scottdagastino at yahoo.com (Scott Dagastino) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] eth0 dies In-Reply-To: <3A894BA9.587CA862@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <20010213182624.22178.qmail@web9614.mail.yahoo.com> Just buy a 3com card from tccomputers and that should take care of it. --- Andy Zbikowski wrote: > Michael Vieths wrote: > > > > What kernel version are you using, and which > Linksys cards are they? > > > > I had some problems with errors on my Linksys > LNE100TX under Kernel > > 2.2.17, where it would be unable to connect for a > few minutes after > > powering the system on (ifconfig reported transmit > errors). I upgraded to > > Kernel 2.4.0 and the problem went away. They also > added some other > > improvements for multiple ethernet card > configurations to that release, so > > you might want to give it a shot. > > They are the latest version of the Linksys LNE100TX. > They need the latest > network card drivers from http://www.scyld.com, at > least for 2.2 kernels. > Haven't tried a 2.4 kernel on the machine. One way > to find out... > > -- > Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) > http://www.ltiflex.com > LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 > (EX) 132 > 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 > Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055> begin:vcard > n:Zbikowski;Andy > tel;cell:612-306-6055 > tel;home:952-591-0977 > tel;work:763-428-9119 > x-mozilla-html:FALSE > url:http://www.ltiflex.com > org:LTI Flexible Products;Information Services > adr:;;21801 Industrial Blvd;Rogers;MN;55374;USA > version:2.1 > email;internet:andyzb@ltiflex.com > title:Computer Systems Administrator > x-mozilla-cpt:;0 > fn:Andy Zbikowski > end:vcard > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Feb 13 13:09:26 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RPMs under Debian In-Reply-To: <20010212183746.B32719@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 06:37:46PM -0600 References: <20010212183746.B32719@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010213130926.C25088@wookimus.net> Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > Ok, I'm a new Dweebian^WDebian user; and I am wondering how > experienced users deal with .rpms and non-.deb'ed software. ...[snip]... > do you convert the .rpm to a .deb with alien; and hope nothing > breaks? That's one possibility, but not the most desireable. > make a .deb package yourself, taking a lot of time (which others > will have to duplicate as well, since you aren't a debian package > contributor and have no desire to be one). This is obviously one of the best options. Building *.debs and being a Debian Developer aren't mutually intrinsic. In fact, makig a *.deb of a package is not that hard, but it is a slight learning curve. The easiest way, however, to update an existing package is to use CVS and the corresponsing build tools. "apt-get install" these packages: build-essential debhelper cvs cvs-buildpackage fakeroot (or sudo) Once these are installed, pick out a directory for your CVS repository: bash$ mkdir ~/MYCVSROOT bash$ export CVSROOT=~/MYCVSROOT bash$ cvs init Create the directory. Export the CVSROOT env variable. Initialize the root directory. Then download and inject the source package: bash$ apt-get source desiredpackage bash$ cvs-inject desiredpackage_0_0_0-1.dsc Download the new source code from upstream: bash$ wget \ > ftp://upstream.server.com/pub/desiredpackage/desiredpackage-0.0.1.tar.gz Expode it: bash$ tar zxvf desiredpackage-0.0.1.tar.gz Rename the directory and retar/gzip it: bash$ mv desiredpackage-0.0.1 desiredpackage-0.0.1.orig bash$ tar zcvf desiredpackage-0.0.1.orig.tar.gz \ > desiredpackage-0.0.1.orig Use the wrapper program cvs-co-upgrade(1) to update the CVS repository with the new source: bash$ # cvs-co-upgrade > cvs-co-upgrade desiredpackage 0.0.0 0.0.1 This will search for the old version file: package-0.0.0.orig.tar.gz and diff it to package-0.0.1.orig.tar.gz, then build the cvs commands to add/remove files and update existing files. If there are conflicts, check out the source, resolve them, and check it back in. bash$ cvs co packagename bash$ #make fixes bash$ cvs ci -m 'made fixes' Build the package directly from CVS, don't sign the control file, don't sign the changelog file, and use fakeroot to set up file perms. bash$ cvs-buildpackage -Mdesiredpackage -uc -us -rfakeroot If all goes well: bash$ cd .. bash$ dpkg --install desiredpackage*i386.deb > Here at Real-Time, we build .rpms for everything; especially custom > packages. Bob & Nate can build rpms from scratch faster than you'd > believe. :) this is not the course I want to follow as a > single-workstation home user, however. Yeah, I've seen your work... *snicker* -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Pipe it through 'sh -s' and you'll do it all automatically. Redirect it to a file if you're paranoid. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010213/776d2034/attachment.pgp From wilson at visi.com Tue Feb 13 13:22:16 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] comments on Compaq's Remote Insight Board? Message-ID: Hey everyone, We're about to order a new Compaq DL380 to be our district's Web server. It will be running Linux of course. The head geek here wants to buy a Compaq Remote Insight Board for the machine so it can be managed remotely. His main concern is that he doesn't know Linux and is afraid that if something goes wrong he won't be able to fix it. I have some concerns about having to secure yet another access point to the server. Basically, this board is like it's own little computer with a NIC and a tiny Web server that any client can access from a browser. It does support SSL. More details at http://www.compaq.com/manage/remote-lightsout.html Anybody used one of these? Any comments? -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ From tobytoo at black-hole.com Tue Feb 13 13:15:08 2001 From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (Brian Toberman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Web Server Man pages Message-ID: <66922001221319158444@black-hole.com> Post was for my roommate, unless I can print it out and show him in b/w I may as well be talking to a post. The man can do video editing and burn a full 3 min comercial from his own equipment to a cd, but can't hook up to the internet with DSL unless I walk him through it. So to clarify, I just needed it from someone else, in writing, to get him off my back over this. ---- Original Message ---- From: blutgens@sistina.com To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org, Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Web Server Man pages Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 11:27:43 -0600 >On Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 09:46:17AM -0600, Brian Toberman wrote: >>Can anyone point me toward the man pages on setting up a web server >>under Win 2000 or Free BSD? > >Manpages for windows? Can we say cluebat? For freebsd it's simple, >you go to >freebsd.org, download, install freebsd, get the source for apache, >read the >INSTALL file. > >This post was a joke right? > >> >>_______________________________________________ >>tclug-list mailing list >>tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >-- >Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 >Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 >System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ > >Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for >details > > From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Feb 13 13:40:53 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] comments on Compaq's Remote Insight Board? In-Reply-To: ; from wilson@visi.com on Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 01:22:16PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20010213134053.G25088@wookimus.net> On Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 01:22:16PM -0600, Timothy Wilson wrote: > Hey everyone, > > We're about to order a new Compaq DL380 to be our district's Web > server. It will be running Linux of course. The head geek here wants > to buy a Compaq Remote Insight Board for the machine so it can be > managed remotely. His main concern is that he doesn't know Linux and > is afraid that if something goes wrong he won't be able to fix it. I > have some concerns about having to secure yet another access point > to the server. Basically, this board is like it's own little > computer with a NIC and a tiny Web server that any client can access > from a browser. It does support SSL. If it only manages hardware, not a biggie. If it tries to manage anything else, you'll likely have problems. Just make sure he doesn't try to reboot the machine remotely unless you can send the CTRL-ALT-DEL signal to the host OS. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010213/55ee26fd/attachment.pgp From duncan at sodatrain.com Tue Feb 13 13:45:35 2001 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] comments on Compaq's Remote Insight Board? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: We run a group of dl480's and run linux... I dont see why he would want buy the remote card for a linux box. Id ask what the advantages of the card would be, the only imdediate one i saw was a 'cold reboot when system is not responding'. If they want a graphical remote console, use VNC, and as far as i know you can do everything else remotely with native linux features. If you need a back door, for emergencies or for lower level access, throw in a terminal server. I have a dell remote access card in my personal box (which is linux, and co-lo'd) and I have never needed it, infact its not even configured. It seems that it could cause more problems and consume and extra IP, for features that you can get other places. just my 2cents. ps, we had some evil problems with running linux on the compaq dl480's. There were some major PCI bus problems that compaq was having. We found out that they know about them and didnt bother to tell us... We have spent about 6 weeks negotiating with them trying to get something out of them for the work we did for THEM! lots of time trouble shooting and diagnosing their faulty Hardware. duncan On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Timothy Wilson wrote: > Hey everyone, > > We're about to order a new Compaq DL380 to be our district's Web server. It > will be running Linux of course. The head geek here wants to buy a Compaq > Remote Insight Board for the machine so it can be managed remotely. His main > concern is that he doesn't know Linux and is afraid that if something goes > wrong he won't be able to fix it. I have some concerns about having to > secure yet another access point to the server. Basically, this board is like > it's own little computer with a NIC and a tiny Web server that any client > can access from a browser. It does support SSL. > > More details at http://www.compaq.com/manage/remote-lightsout.html > > Anybody used one of these? Any comments? > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- || || || || || || duncan shannon .-. duncan@sodatrain.com /v\ // \\ /( )\ L I N U X ^^-^^ >Phear the Penguin< From andyzb at ltiflex.com Tue Feb 13 13:58:09 2001 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] comments on Compaq's Remote Insight Board? References: Message-ID: <3A8991D1.7ECDDF76@ltiflex.com> Remote Managment is a term forgin to NT, not Linux. (It's not so forgien to Windows 2000, but I'm not all that impressed with RDP, and that a different kettle of fish anyway) You're remote managment WILL be done via ssh. Don't even mention telnet, kay? (Putty is an excellent free windows ssh1 client. It does lack the port forwarding features you sometimes need for remote admin, so you'll probally want to grab the ssh addon for teraterm pro. Downside is tera terms vt100 emulation is a bit wacked, but it's free!. The best commercial ssh client I've used is FSecure SSH. Secure CRT is ok. You might want to look at the latest XWin Pro [http://www.starnet.com] if you must use Xbased admin tools. XWin Pro now ships with a SSH client to forward those X11 requests around. [Try not to. Try not to have X on the box period...]) For a UNIX server I don't see any advantage to getting this card. Looks like a good product for windows nt/2000 servers though, but who's crazy enough to give a NT server a public IP? :) -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: andyzb.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 367 bytes Desc: Card for Andy Zbikowski Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010213/a657ab77/andyzb.vcf From andyzb at ltiflex.com Tue Feb 13 14:03:26 2001 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] comments on Compaq's Remote Insight Board? References: Message-ID: <3A89930E.628B4DEC@ltiflex.com> Oh, and if SSH isn't enough, webmin and Linux Conf both support web-browser based configuration, though I highly recomend agnist this due to the amount of suid root stuff it involves. If you don't take my first piece of advice, at least take my second: Enable SSL and firewall the webmin/LinuxConf ports, allowing access only from static hosts. (Or if you want to have more fun, allow access only from localhost and use ssh portforwarding to get to it.) Oh, and screen is rather helpful in ssh sessions as well. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: andyzb.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 367 bytes Desc: Card for Andy Zbikowski Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010213/8c8ae564/andyzb.vcf From duncan at sodatrain.com Tue Feb 13 14:16:59 2001 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] comments on Compaq's Remote Insight Board? In-Reply-To: <3A89930E.628B4DEC@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: a neat ssh trick... use mindterm and place it in a web dir... its java, and you can run it thru the browser. And for a good kick, run lynx in your ssh session, which is running in netscape. On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Andy Zbikowski wrote: > Oh, and if SSH isn't enough, webmin and Linux Conf both support web-browser > based configuration, though I highly recomend agnist this due to the amount > of suid root stuff it involves. If you don't take my first piece of advice, > at least take my second: > > Enable SSL and firewall the webmin/LinuxConf ports, allowing access only > from static hosts. (Or if you want to have more fun, allow access only from > localhost and use ssh portforwarding to get to it.) > > Oh, and screen is rather helpful in ssh sessions as well. > > -- > Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com > LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 > 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 > Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 -- || || || || || || duncan shannon .-. duncan@sodatrain.com /v\ // \\ /( )\ L I N U X ^^-^^ >Phear the Penguin< From wilson at visi.com Tue Feb 13 14:25:44 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] comments on Compaq's Remote Insight Board? In-Reply-To: <20010213134053.G25088@wookimus.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Chad C. Walstrom wrote: > If it only manages hardware, not a biggie. If it tries to manage > anything else, you'll likely have problems. Just make sure he doesn't > try to reboot the machine remotely unless you can send the > CTRL-ALT-DEL signal to the host OS. It supports "virtual floppies" which apparently allow you to boot the server from a floppy disk from any client. Yes, it does allow a remote reboot in the event of a completely inaccessible box. Personally, it doesn't seem worth the $400 for something I can do with ssh. Heck, I can set up port forwarding and access Webmin remotely in about 5 seconds. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ From peter at math.umn.edu Tue Feb 13 14:52:17 2001 From: peter at math.umn.edu (Peter Lukas) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] comments on Compaq's Remote Insight Board? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Wouldn't it be cool if someone took an eeprom burner and made a micro distribution and put it on an on-board ethernet controller. Basically, the ethernet controller would have about 1-15MB flash memory on which a micro distribution lived. Of course, you could think this one to death... "If we have a useful OS on the flash memory on the ethernet controller, what good it the system itself?" Can you imagine a massive disk array hanging off a single eepro100b or the like? :-) Peter Lukas On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Timothy Wilson wrote: > On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Chad C. Walstrom wrote: > > > If it only manages hardware, not a biggie. If it tries to manage > > anything else, you'll likely have problems. Just make sure he doesn't > > try to reboot the machine remotely unless you can send the > > CTRL-ALT-DEL signal to the host OS. > > It supports "virtual floppies" which apparently allow you to boot the server > from a floppy disk from any client. Yes, it does allow a remote reboot in > the event of a completely inaccessible box. > > Personally, it doesn't seem worth the $400 for something I can do with > ssh. Heck, I can set up port forwarding and access Webmin remotely in about > 5 seconds. > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From fertch at mninter.net Tue Feb 13 15:02:02 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Partitioning with dual boot Message-ID: <3A89A0CA.6C28F3DF@mninter.net> This may be a little off topic, but I'm at a loss and am waiting for word back from Powerquest... I recently reloaded my desktop with the Windoze side (yeah, yeah. But there's just some things that aren't ported to Linux yet), and was getting ready to do the Linux side. I'm using Partition Magic 6.0 and when I try to do the partition, I get an error saying that the partition tables are invalid. When using MS's fdisk, it only shows the one partition at 42GB (it's a 45GB drive). But in looking at the report generated from Partition Magic, it shows a 95MB partition. Partition Magic won't let me continue to make other partitions. Here's the log that was generated.... General System Information: Total Physical Memory (bytes): 267,866,112 Used Physical Memory: (bytes): 105,717,760 Maximum Page File Size: (bytes): 1,879,613,440 Current Page File Size: (bytes): 78,585,856 =========================================================================================================== Disk Geometry Information for Disk 1: 5473 Cylinders, 255 Heads, 63 Sectors/Track System PartSect # Boot BCyl Head Sect FS ECyl Head Sect StartSect NumSects =========================================================================================================== NO NAME 0 0 80 0 1 1 0C 352 254 63 63 87,923,682 Info: Begin C,H,S values were large drive placeholders. Info: End C,H,S values were large drive placeholders. Actual values are: 0 0 80 0 1 1 0C 5472 254 63 63 87923682 =========================================================================================================== Disk Geometry Information for Disk 3: 96 Cylinders, 64 Heads, 32 Sectors/Track System PartSect # Boot BCyl Head Sect FS ECyl Head Sect StartSect NumSects =========================================================================================================== =========================================================================================================== Partition Information for Disk 1: 42,931.5 Megabytes Volume PartType Status Size MB PartSect # StartSect TotalSects UsedSects FreeSects =========================================================================================================== *:NO NAME FAT32X Pri,Boot 42,931.5 0 0 63 87,923,682 87,923,682 0 =========================================================================================================== Partition Information for Disk 3: 96.0 Megabytes Volume PartType Status Size MB PartSect # StartSect TotalSects UsedSects FreeSects =========================================================================================================== =========================================================================================================== Boot Record for drive *: (Drive: 1, Starting sector: 63, Type: FAT32) =========================================================================================================== 1. Jump: EB 58 90 2. OEM Name: MSWIN4.1 3. Bytes per Sector: 512 4. Sectors per Cluster: 64 5. Reserved Sectors: 32 6. Number of FAT's: 2 7. Reserved: 0x0000 8. Reserved: 0x0000 9. Media Descriptor: 0xF8 10. Sectors per FAT: 0 11. Sectors per Track: 63 (0x3F) 12. Number of Heads: 255 (0xFF) 13. Hidden Sectors: 63 (0x3F) 14. Big Total Sectors: 87923682 (0x53D9BE2) 15. Big Sectors per FAT: 10732 16. Extended Flags: 0x0000 17. FS Version: 0 18. First Cluster of Root: 2 (0x2) 19. FS Info Sector: 1 20. Backup Boot Sector: 6 21. Reserved: 000000000000000000000000 22. Drive ID: 0x80 23. Reserved for NT: 0x00 24. Extended Boot Sig: 0x29 25. Serial Number: 0x0E5C16E4 26. Volume Name: NO NAME 27. File System Type: FAT32 28. Boot Signature: 0xAA55 I really want to get Linux going on my desktop, but I can't afford to just entirely blow Windows away. Anyone have some ideas that will allow me to retain my windows install and yet get other partitions made so that I can dual boot to Linux? From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Feb 13 15:00:34 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rehash: pine/ssl? In-Reply-To: <20010213095128.B1088@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Ben Lutgens wrote: > We're creeping into an editor war here, but I can assure you that if you had a > good vimrc you'd become a convert. vi is best for simple editing (sysadmin > type stuff) And editor war is the furtherst (sp) thing I could get into. I use vim a HECK of a lot and am totally comfortable with it for anything where I don't want to wait a few hours for theeditor to load (; However, if I'm doing a long perl script or HTML I prefer to use xemacs. If I'm writing a message, I prefer something pico-like. I'm totally an "Each Of Them Has It's Own Strength" kind of person. -Yaron -- From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Feb 13 15:06:51 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rehash: pine/ssl? In-Reply-To: <20010213050849.L26843@real-time.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > Isn't my muttrc on my tclug personal page? Not that I can see (searched for 'mutt'). > I am leeching mozilla nightly built to it's toooo slow to go look myself! It's slow for YOU??? What's that mean for me? -Yaron -- From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Feb 13 15:11:54 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rehash: pine/ssl? In-Reply-To: <20010213080035.B7854@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: Hi, On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > Vim does a great job of word wrapping. Throw this in your .vimrc > set textwidth=75 Yeah, that's nice, but now all my shell scripts will be wrapped, too. > This sets the maximum length of a line to 75 characters. If a word puts you > over 75, that word will be wrapped to the next line (like a emacs-type > editor). [x]emacs doesn't wordwrap by default. Actually I've never been able to figure out how to get i to wordwrap - not that I've tried very hard (probably meta-x word-wrap-mode-on or something). > Try giving the docs a read before you just give up on a far-superior > editor. Like I said, they each have their strengths. Even pico has some adantages over vi/emacs. I'm sure I could get [g|el]vi[m|s|le] to ac exactly like pico, but then I wouldn't have vi for all those /etc/rc.d anymore. -Yaron -- From natecars at real-time.com Tue Feb 13 15:13:54 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rehash: pine/ssl? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Yaron wrote: > > I am leeching mozilla nightly built to it's toooo slow to go look myself! > > It's slow for YOU??? What's that mean for me? (Bob has ISDN at home) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From tanner at real-time.com Tue Feb 13 15:16:26 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rehash: pine/ssl? In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 03:06:51PM -0600 References: <20010213050849.L26843@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010213151626.Z15557@real-time.com> Quoting Yaron (jethro@freakzilla.com): > Hi, > > On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > Isn't my muttrc on my tclug personal page? > > Not that I can see (searched for 'mutt'). > > > I am leeching mozilla nightly built to it's toooo slow to go look myself! > > It's slow for YOU??? What's that mean for me? I was at home on isdn! -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Feb 13 15:17:32 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rehash: pine/ssl? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Philip C Mendelsohn wrote: > Sure -- if you don't type well enough for cat > Hah! You have cat??? Try having to short the keyboard wires in binary... -Yaron -- From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Feb 13 15:16:45 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rehash: pine/ssl? In-Reply-To: <20010213101832.D19132@real-time.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > I think they're some of the best keybindings out there. very sensible and > practical. Maybe.. but I've been using pine for like, over 7 years (I'd say over 10 but I really don't remember). > (tho it did take a while for me to get used to 'd' being 'delete' D is 'delete' in Pine. Don't matter, Mutt can customize all that. They just didn't make it comfortable (; I definetly don't see how binding Up and Down to anything BUT scrolling makes any sense! (: > I'll include my .muttrc. I've got a fairly extensive list of colorizations > that I do for messages. Everyone has their own preferences for those. Thanks! vi -c! There we go!!! -Yaron -- From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Feb 13 15:20:39 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rehash: pine/ssl? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > (Bob has ISDN at home) I'm 68.3441% sure that's a joke. Right? -Yaron -- From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Feb 13 15:21:17 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rehash: pine/ssl? In-Reply-To: <20010213151626.Z15557@real-time.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > I was at home on isdn! Why on Earth does a guy who IS an ISP have ISDN at home? -Yaron -- From tanner at real-time.com Tue Feb 13 15:26:43 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rehash: pine/ssl? In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 03:21:17PM -0600 References: <20010213151626.Z15557@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010213152643.B15557@real-time.com> Quoting Yaron (jethro@freakzilla.com): > Hi, > > On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > I was at home on isdn! > > Why on Earth does a guy who IS an ISP have ISDN at home? Cannot get DSL at home. Frame Relay is too expensive. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Tue Feb 13 15:37:13 2001 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rehash: pine/ssl? In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 03:11:54PM -0600 References: <20010213080035.B7854@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010213153713.C7854@sorry.cs.umn.edu> On Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 03:11:54PM -0600, Yaron wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > > > Vim does a great job of word wrapping. Throw this in your .vimrc > > set textwidth=75 > > Yeah, that's nice, but now all my shell scripts will be wrapped, too. > I guess you're right. I never really noticed since I put in \'s all over the place for readability's sake. If I really didn't want the lines to wrap, I'd just do :set textwidth=0 to disable it. Anyway, there's no point in switching to vim if you don't want to. Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Question with boldness even the existence of a god." - Thomas Jefferson ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Feb 13 15:32:30 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rehash: pine/ssl? In-Reply-To: <20010213152643.B15557@real-time.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > Cannot get DSL at home. That's so ironic, it's almost sad. I still remember a few years ago when I _wanted_ to get ISDN and you told me "Why do you want that? Get DSL instead" (; -Yaron -- From andyzb at ltiflex.com Tue Feb 13 15:32:59 2001 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Partitioning with dual boot References: <3A89A0CA.6C28F3DF@mninter.net> Message-ID: <3A89A80B.FC9BF737@ltiflex.com> fips, disk druid, diskdrike, others? should be able to resize your partition. And it is only windows...if you have a smart enough copy utility you can just recursivly copy your windows drive to a different hard disk, repartition, and copy windows back. The trick is you can't be running windows at the time. I think xcopy32 will work, but I always use Linux cp. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: andyzb.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 367 bytes Desc: Card for Andy Zbikowski Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010213/4c20e5cf/andyzb.vcf From tanner at real-time.com Tue Feb 13 15:39:16 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rehash: pine/ssl? In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 03:32:30PM -0600 References: <20010213152643.B15557@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010213153916.A2400@real-time.com> Quoting Yaron (jethro@freakzilla.com): > Hi, > > On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > Cannot get DSL at home. > > That's so ironic, it's almost sad. > > I still remember a few years ago when I _wanted_ to get ISDN and you told > me "Why do you want that? Get DSL instead" (; If I could get DSL, I would. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From mjn at umn.edu Tue Feb 13 15:40:10 2001 From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rehash: pine/ssl? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Why on Earth does a guy who IS an ISP have ISDN at home? Comedy! ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com http://supermonkeycollider.dyndns.org/ ____________________________ From natecars at real-time.com Tue Feb 13 15:45:51 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rehash: pine/ssl? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Yaron wrote: > Why on Earth does a guy who IS an ISP have ISDN at home? cuz he lives at the office most of the time :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From fertch at mninter.net Tue Feb 13 15:58:33 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Partitioning with dual boot References: <3A89A0CA.6C28F3DF@mninter.net> <3A89A80B.FC9BF737@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <3A89AE09.6A133E8F@mninter.net> Hmm, interesting. Never noticed this in the bios. Response back from Partition Magic: Hi Shawn, Thank you for enclosing the Partinfo report. Error 100 is coming from the removable drive on the system. Set the removable drive in the BIOS to NONE. This will solve the problem. Hopefully this will solve the problem. Then I'm off to force the wife to Linux so I don't have to worry about those damned Windows viruses! Thanks for the info Andy. Shawn Andy Zbikowski wrote: > > fips, disk druid, diskdrike, others? should be able to resize your > partition. > > And it is only windows...if you have a smart enough copy utility you can > just recursivly copy your windows drive to a different hard disk, > repartition, and copy windows back. The trick is you can't be running > windows at the time. I think xcopy32 will work, but I always use Linux cp. > > -- > Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com > LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 > 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 > Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From chrome at real-time.com Tue Feb 13 16:35:49 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rehash: pine/ssl? In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 03:17:32PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20010213163549.O27427@real-time.com> > > Sure -- if you don't type well enough for cat > > > Hah! You have cat??? Try having to short the keyboard wires in binary... You must be really dedicated to your OmniKey to go that far... ;> Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From dd-b at dd-b.net Tue Feb 13 16:43:41 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rehash: pine/ssl? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yaron writes: > Hi, > > On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > > > Vim does a great job of word wrapping. Throw this in your .vimrc > > set textwidth=75 > > Yeah, that's nice, but now all my shell scripts will be wrapped, too. > > > This sets the maximum length of a line to 75 characters. If a word puts you > > over 75, that word will be wrapped to the next line (like a emacs-type > > editor). > > [x]emacs doesn't wordwrap by default. Actually I've never been able to > figure out how to get i to wordwrap - not that I've tried very hard > (probably meta-x word-wrap-mode-on or something). auto-fill-mode. This can be put in the text mode hook but not in the shell-script mode setup, so you get wrapped text, but not wrapped shell scripts. It will also fill comments in perl, which can be *very* handy. -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From dd-b at dd-b.net Tue Feb 13 16:45:00 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Show of hands for the virus In-Reply-To: <3A891FFE.10651.92934F0@localhost> References: <3A891FFE.10651.92934F0@localhost> Message-ID: "Benjamin Exley" writes: > Doesn't anyone else use Pegasus Mail on Novell? :) I use it on Windows for the very few times I read mail on the windows box (basically I have an account I forward things with attachments I need on the windows box to). -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From chrome at real-time.com Tue Feb 13 16:52:13 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rehash: pine/ssl? In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 03:11:54PM -0600 References: <20010213080035.B7854@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010213165213.A10183@real-time.com> > > Vim does a great job of word wrapping. Throw this in your .vimrc > > set textwidth=75 > > Yeah, that's nice, but now all my shell scripts will be wrapped, too. this is where "vi -c 'set textwidth=74'" comes in. :) as you noticed, I put that in my .muttrc. >D is 'delete' in Pine. but it's 'down to read next message' in Agent; which I was using before I went to Linux. >Don't matter, Mutt can customize all that. They just didn't make it >comfortable (; I know. but like I said, I didn't care enough to change it. :) >I definetly don't see how binding Up and Down to anything BUT scrolling >makes any sense! (: scrolling within the message, yes. that's fairly intuitive. causing you to jump up & down between messages, is less so. I was used to arrows & page up/page down scrolling within the message by varying degrees; and using 'd' and 'u' to go up & down between messages. Carl. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Feb 13 16:56:27 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rehash: pine/ssl? In-Reply-To: <20010213163549.O27427@real-time.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > Hah! You have cat??? Try having to short the keyboard wires in binary... > You must be really dedicated to your OmniKey to go that far... One word: paperclips. -Yaron -- From m_nassar at yahoo.com Tue Feb 13 17:44:16 2001 From: m_nassar at yahoo.com (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #678 - 17 msgs In-Reply-To: <200102132148.f1DLmkl12605@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010213234416.33921.qmail@web10114.mail.yahoo.com> Anybody here ever install Slackware 3.4 on a T4600 Toshiba Laptop with only 4 megs of ram? first of i am using 3.4 because it is the only distrib that i could find that i could fit only on Floppies (no NIC) second RAM upgrade is all but imposible on a machine this old and i dont think i want to spend too much on it... the reason i am doing this is because it may be useful as a remote testing device/ storage device... not all computers have a ZIP disk but all have a Serial/Parallel(sp?) port, (macs are not really computers anyways... ) and it is bound to be a good excersize if i could get the damn kernel to load without panics -munir PS- if you have parts for this Laptop (Mem chip replacement floppy) i may have a few bucks extra at the end of the month... ===== -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GAT GIT dpu- s:- a19 C++ UL P+ L+(++) E--- W+ N+ w(--) K? O-- M- V- PS+ PE-(--) Y-- PGP-(---) t 5+++ X R tv-- b+++ D++ DI++ G e+ h+() r- y+ UF++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From wilson at visi.com Tue Feb 13 18:24:06 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] PBS Frontline addresses "hacking" Message-ID: Hi everyone, I thought I'd point this out to everyone who may be interested in the topic. I have no idea if this program will be decent or not, but the Frontline stuff is generally top notch. The description in TV Guide reads: "Hackers" Interviews with teens, security experts, and law enforcement officials reveals the insecurities of the Internet. Airs tonight at 9:00 on channel 2 and on Wed. at 10:00 on channel 17. I'll check it out if for no other reason than curiosity about how technical PBS will try to be. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ From tanner at real-time.com Tue Feb 13 18:56:00 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RPM install AND all it's dependancies Message-ID: <20010213185600.P11371@real-time.com> Is there a simple way with RPM to install a package AND all of its dependancies? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Feb 13 20:14:34 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RPM install AND all it's dependancies In-Reply-To: <20010213185600.P11371@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 06:56:00PM -0600 References: <20010213185600.P11371@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010213201434.A682@minime.sistina.com> On Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 06:56:00PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: >Is there a simple way with RPM to install a package AND all of its dependancies? This is what prompted me to convert to debian. > > > >-- >Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 >http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 >Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010213/32cf88f7/attachment.pgp From sraun at fireopal.org Tue Feb 13 20:21:44 2001 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cisco In-Reply-To: <003301c09546$233418c0$0200000a@toughguy.autonomous.tv>; from spencer@sihope.com on Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 10:49:32PM -0000 References: <003301c09546$233418c0$0200000a@toughguy.autonomous.tv> Message-ID: <20010213202144.A26403@iaxs.net> On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 10:49:32PM -0000, Spencer Underground wrote: > Does anyone have an url for the latest cbos version. I have 2.2.0.000 on a > box. It seems lacking to the 2.3.2.019 I have been using on another router > for a few months. Well, my ISP (Infinity AccessNET) just pointed me at ver. 2.4.1, and recommended installing it. They've got it available at www.iaxs.net/downloads. -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From tanner at real-time.com Tue Feb 13 20:21:08 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RPM install AND all it's dependancies In-Reply-To: <20010213201434.A682@minime.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 08:14:34PM -0600 References: <20010213185600.P11371@real-time.com> <20010213201434.A682@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010213202108.R11371@real-time.com> Quoting Ben Lutgens (blutgens@sistina.com): > On Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 06:56:00PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > >Is there a simple way with RPM to install a package AND all of its dependancies? > > This is what prompted me to convert to debian. Yeah, apt rocks. I hope the apt for rpm get's "blessed" by RedHat and becomes standard. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Tue Feb 13 20:27:45 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cisco In-Reply-To: <20010213202144.A26403@iaxs.net>; from sraun@fireopal.org on Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 08:21:44PM -0600 References: <003301c09546$233418c0$0200000a@toughguy.autonomous.tv> <20010213202144.A26403@iaxs.net> Message-ID: <20010213202745.S11371@real-time.com> Quoting Scott Raun (sraun@fireopal.org): > On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 10:49:32PM -0000, Spencer Underground wrote: > > Does anyone have an url for the latest cbos version. I have 2.2.0.000 on a > > box. It seems lacking to the 2.3.2.019 I have been using on another router > > for a few months. > > Well, my ISP (Infinity AccessNET) just pointed me at ver. 2.4.1, and > recommended installing it. They've got it available at > www.iaxs.net/downloads. > I thought 2.4.x was ED (early deployment). Nope, it went live: http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/dsl_prod/c600s/cbos/ -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Tue Feb 13 20:31:17 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cisco In-Reply-To: <20010213202144.A26403@iaxs.net>; from sraun@fireopal.org on Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 08:21:44PM -0600 References: <003301c09546$233418c0$0200000a@toughguy.autonomous.tv> <20010213202144.A26403@iaxs.net> Message-ID: <20010213203117.T11371@real-time.com> Quoting Scott Raun (sraun@fireopal.org): > On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 10:49:32PM -0000, Spencer Underground wrote: > > Does anyone have an url for the latest cbos version. I have 2.2.0.000 on a > > box. It seems lacking to the 2.3.2.019 I have been using on another router > > for a few months. > > Well, my ISP (Infinity AccessNET) just pointed me at ver. 2.4.1, and > recommended installing it. They've got it available at > www.iaxs.net/downloads. > Ouch, got some bad known issues. I am not sure if everyone can access it, might need a CCO login. http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/dsl_prod/c600s/cbos/cbo240rn.htm#xtocid837810 Only 1 Windows machine can copy files at a time! HAHAHAH! Ouch. Symptom: Routing table updates are not received when RIPv2 is used. DOUBLE ouch. When you try to set a password, any uppercase characters are converted to lowercase. Additionally, note that passwords set in a previous version of CBOS do retain their case after the CPE software is upgraded to Release 2.4.1. Condition: I'll cut-n-paste here: Known Issues in CBOS Release 2.4 This section lists open issues for CBOS 2.4. * CSCds54769 Symptom: When attempting to use two or more PCs behind a CPE to do a file transfer with Microsoft networking to a Windows 2000 server, only one PC will be able to copy a file at a time. Condition: This occurs only under the following conditions: * Microsoft networking is the file transfer mechanism * more than one PC is attempting to do a file transfer at the same time * the CPE is running NAT * the file transfer is attempted from a Windows 2000 server on the far * end of the connection. Workaround: Allow one PC at a time to do a file transfer using Microsoft networking, or use another file transfer method, such as FTP. * CSCds60974 Symptom: When the CPE is set up as a DHCP client and is receiving its IP address from a DHCP server behind the terminating router (NRP on a 6400 or a 7200), the CPE may not receive an IP address from the DHCP server. Condition: This occurs with RFC1483 routing configured on a CPE which is configured to be a DHCP client and is trying to get DHCP information from a DHCP server over the wan interface. This problem does not apply to PPP routing, as there is no reason to use DHCP client functionality on the CPE in this situation; instead, IPCP should be used to obtain the IP address. It also does not apply if the DHCP server service is running on the 6400/7200; in this case, the CPE can receive an IP address from the DHCP server on the terminating router. The problem that occurs is that the far-end DHCP server returns the IP address forwarded as a broadcast. The terminating router (6400/7200) receives this broadcast on its ethernet address, then, as it should, does not forward it over the ATM interfaces. Workarounds: There are two possible workarounds: * Put an IP helper address on the Ethernet interface of the 6400/7200 * that points to the original IP address of the CPE. * Do not to attempt to have the CPE receive an IP address from a DHCP * server over the WAN interface. The CPE, which is functioning as a * router, should have a static IP address. If necessary, this address * can be excluded from the DHCP server. * CSCds62558 Symptom: When using auto-provisioning to configure DHCP pools for a CPE, if the first pool is not configured, it will still be enabled and given default values of IP 10.0.0.2, netmask 255.255.255.0, and size 252. This will cause this pool to be used first. Condition: This occurs when auto-provisioning is used to pass DHCP pool information to a CPE and the first pool on the CPE is not configured. Workaround: Always configure the first pool on the CPE when using auto-provisioning. * CSCds82039 Symptom: When you attempt to set the DHCP relay command to an interface, only the wan0-0 interface is accepted as valid. Condition: This condition occurs when you attempt to use the eth0 interface for the DHCP relay command; for example, when SDSL modems are being used in a back-to-back environment. Workaround: No action is necessary. When the CPE is in the back-to-back configuration or the CPE mode is set to CO, the DHCP relay requests automatically go out the eth0 interface, even though the sho dhcp relay command shows the relay interface as wan0-0. * CSCds83490 Symptom: Routing table updates are not received when RIPv2 is used. Condition: When the CPE device is configured with RIPv2 on a network with other RIPv2 routers, it does not receive routing table updates. Workaround: In addition to RIPv2 configuration, you must enable multicast forwarding on the CPE device. The CPE device cannot recognize multicast addresses if multicast forwarding is not enabled. * CSCds87618 Symptom: When using multiple VCCs and VIP interfaces with PPP and NAT enabled, the VIP interfaces default to NAT outside interfaces. Condition: To use NAT across the VIP interfaces you have to change them to NAT inside interfaces. Workaround: Enter the following command: set interface vip0 inside or Do not use NAT when using the VIP interfaces. If you must use NAT, direct all traffic to the wan0-0 interface. The wan0-0 interface remains as a NAT outside interface. * CSCds87680 Symptom: The show NVRAM command sporadically produces unintelligible results. Condition: This occurs occasionally when the command is abbreviated to sh nv. Workaround: Issue the complete command show nvram. * CSCds49083 Symptom: The mask for ethernet 0 (eth0) can be set to all 255s. Condition: When the mask of eth0 is set to 255.255.255.255, the interface will not appear in the routing table and is unusable. Workaround: Manually set the mask of eth0 to a number other than all 255s. * CSCds86083 Symptom: When stats web command is entered on a CPE, the value of the field # of current connections may be artificially high, up to a value of over 4 billion. Condition: This problem can occur when a web connection is established to the CPE and left up for a prolonged period of time, such as overnight. Workaround: There is no workaround. * CSCds87384 Symptom: When using multiple PVCs, for example, wan0-1 through wan0-7, and using the stats ip wan0-x command, only wan0-0 will display anything other than 0s for the statistics Condition: This occurs when using multiple PVCs and the stats ip command. Workaround: Obtain statistics on the amount of traffic by using other commands such as show ppp, show rfc1483, or show int wan0-x. * CSCds87418 Symptom: When NAT is enabled on a CPE and a global outside IP address has been assigned via the command line interface (CLI) or auto-provisioning, but an IP address is also being received via IPCP, the global outside IP address will be that received via IPCP. Condition: This occurs under the following circumstances: * PPP routing is used on the CPE * NAT is enabled on the CPE * A global outside IP address is configured on the CPE from either the * CLI or via auto-provisioning for the wan0-0 interface; the wan0-1 * through wan0-7 interfaces do not have this issue * The terminating route (6400 NRP or 7200) has been configured to pass * an IP address via IPCP to the CPE Workaround: There are two possible workarounds: * Configure the global outside IP address on the CPE or have the * terminating router pass an IP address via IPCP. This avoids any * potential conflicts between the global outside IP address on the * wan0-0 interface and the IP address to be received via IPCP. * Use the command line interface to set the following parameter: set ppp wan0-x ipcp IP address where x is the applicable interface and IP address is the desired global outside IP address. * CSCds89064 Symptom: When you try to set a password, any uppercase characters are converted to lowercase. Additionally, note that passwords set in a previous version of CBOS do retain their case after the CPE software is upgraded to Release 2.4.1. Condition: This occurs when using uppercase characters for both the exec or enable passwords. Workaround: The workaround is to use only lowercase characters. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From chrome at real-time.com Tue Feb 13 20:36:51 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] eth0 dies In-Reply-To: ; from mend0070@tc.umn.edu on Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 10:14:09AM -0600 References: <20010213003428.G3665@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010213203646.B9164@real-time.com> > > I've had a bad experience with a Linksys KVM switch, and I'll avoid their > > products like the plague from now on. > > And this is how superstitions get started... ;) gotta have something to believe in. :) I see your point; but what I mean to say is that given the choice bewteen a number of products about which I know nothing; I'll avoid the Linksys product in favor of a non-Linksys product. Just one of a number of selection methods to employ. Perhaps 'avoid like the plague' is a bit strong a term. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Tue Feb 13 20:48:13 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Show of hands for the virus In-Reply-To: <010212173204.20323ef7@dcmir.med.umn.edu>; from HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu on Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 05:32:04PM -0600 References: <010212173204.20323ef7@dcmir.med.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010213204808.C9164@real-time.com> > I opened it in VMSmail. > > Ed Hoeffner Go VMS! :) I wouldn't mind getting ahold of a VMS box at some point... just for nostalgia's sake. :) (and the fact that VAXen make good coffee tables, wet bars, walk-in closets, etc...) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From seg at haxxed.com Tue Feb 13 21:07:40 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Here you have, ;o) References: <00c501c09523$4cee8d30$0200000a@geekstuff> <20010212130453.C5950@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <20010212130931.A7978@coder> <20010212132557.D5950@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3A89F67C.1080807@haxxed.com> dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > Anyone know what it doesn other than email itself out to everyone you know? > I don't know VB, and even if I did, the script is all obfuscated... Or > maybe Visual Studio does that when you generate a VBS script... Perl eat your heart out. From sraun at fireopal.org Tue Feb 13 21:41:32 2001 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cisco In-Reply-To: <20010213203117.T11371@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 08:31:17PM -0600 References: <003301c09546$233418c0$0200000a@toughguy.autonomous.tv> <20010213202144.A26403@iaxs.net> <20010213203117.T11371@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010213214132.A26592@iaxs.net> On Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 08:31:17PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Scott Raun (sraun@fireopal.org): > > Well, my ISP (Infinity AccessNET) just pointed me at ver. 2.4.1, and > > recommended installing it. They've got it available at > > www.iaxs.net/downloads. > > > Ouch, got some bad known issues. I am not sure if everyone can > access it, might need a CCO login. > > http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/dsl_prod/c600s/cbos/cbo240rn.htm#xtocid837810 > > Only 1 Windows machine can copy files at a time! HAHAHAH! From patrickm6 at qwest.net Tue Feb 13 21:55:20 2001 From: patrickm6 at qwest.net (Patrick Murrell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sound Drivers for Aureal's Sound Cards Message-ID: <3A8A01A7.A1D7CEB1@qwest.net> I would like to get information about sound driver for a Turtle beach sound card that has aureal semiconductor| vortex 2. I run a linux box with a 6.2 OS. P Murrell From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu Tue Feb 13 21:51:33 2001 From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Show of hands for the virus Message-ID: <010213215133.20323ef7@dcmir.med.umn.edu> >Go VMS! :) > >I wouldn't mind getting ahold of a VMS box at some point... just for >nostalgia's sake. :) (and the fact that VAXen make good coffee tables, wet >bars, walk-in closets, etc...) > >Carl Soderstrom Never expected to find a VMSer here! The best part about it is that it's rare enough that noone will write "problems" for it. Of course, the downside... Ed Hoeffner 1-271 BSBE 312 Church St. SE Mpls, MN 55455 hoeffner@dcmir.med.umn.edu 612-625-2115 612-625-2163 fax From nate at techie.com Tue Feb 13 22:08:12 2001 From: nate at techie.com (nate@techie.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] PBS Frontline addresses "hacking" In-Reply-To: ; from wilson@visi.com on Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 06:24:06PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20010213220811.A16031@candle.dyn.dhs.org> On Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 06:24:06PM -0600, Timothy Wilson wrote: > "Hackers" Interviews with teens, security experts, and law enforcement > officials reveals the insecurities of the Internet. > > Airs tonight at 9:00 on channel 2 and on Wed. at 10:00 on channel 17. I just finished watching it. I flipped over it after Dark Angel and decided to stay on the channel. I thought it was really well done. The piece showed hackers not as criminals but as... well... hackers. I guess I've been working with computers too long because "hacker" is one of those words that just is. Frontline explained how easy it is to get scripts and who script kiddies are. They also showed off DefCon and some of the heavy thinking that goes on there. The program came off saying (to me), "You don't have to like these kids, but you have to admit that they're right." Anyway, I would recommend watching the program if you missed it. Nate From nate at techie.com Tue Feb 13 22:13:53 2001 From: nate at techie.com (nate@techie.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sound Drivers for Aureal's Sound Cards In-Reply-To: <3A8A01A7.A1D7CEB1@qwest.net>; from patrickm6@qwest.net on Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 07:55:20PM -0800 References: <3A8A01A7.A1D7CEB1@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20010213221353.B16031@candle.dyn.dhs.org> On Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 07:55:20PM -0800, Patrick Murrell wrote: > I would like to get information about sound driver for a Turtle beach > sound card that has aureal semiconductor| vortex 2. I run a linux box > with a 6.2 OS. a) http://www.opensound.com/, pay $$ b) http://sourceforge.net/projects/aureal/ From dave at droyer.org Tue Feb 13 22:37:31 2001 From: dave at droyer.org (David Royer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Evolution (Was: mail clients) Message-ID: I've been using evolution for quite a while now. On the plus side, I haven't lost any email for quite some time. It has some great features and it's great eye-candy show off linux to Windows users. The vFolders are really cool for filtering. On the negative side, it's kind of a pain to get installed right now, and there are still several bugs that pop up in the daily snapshots. Dave On 13 Feb 2001 09:57:57 -0500, duncan wrote: > has anyone had any luck with helix-gnome, *cough* i mean Ximian's > Evolution? Some say it has the potential to be an exchange killer... > its mail list is very active, and it certianly isint ready for every day > joe, but it looks like it will have some great features. > > may be worth a look for thoes that want to be exchange killers! > > httpL//www.ximian.com/apps/evolution.php3 > > From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Feb 13 23:44:43 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mutt Message-ID: Hi, Ok, where's the _good_ docs that explain the whole keybinding thing? Can you even change the bindings for like, scrolling inside a message? Can you tell it to use an SMTP server? I didn't see anything but set sendmail=. Also can't get the SSL part to accept certificates permanently... -Yaron -- From cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu Wed Feb 14 00:14:43 2001 From: cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu (Charlie Fulton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] comments on Compaq's Remote Insight Board? References: <3A8991D1.7ECDDF76@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <3A8A2253.8319BC03@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> > want to grab the ssh addon for teraterm pro. Downside is tera terms vt100 > emulation is a bit wacked, but it's free!. I use teraterm SSH quite often... if I need the colors or keys to be mapped correctly I just start up an X server on my Windows box and run rxvt. Makes for pretty vim syntax highlights and seems to run well enough over my 128k up DSL. Charlie From kbullock at ringworld.org Wed Feb 14 00:51:59 2001 From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin R. Bullock) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RPMs under Debian In-Reply-To: <20010213003022.F3665@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > 1) If I can find source, I compile from that rather than using an RPM > > usually. It keeps my system generally cleaner. From source I can go one > > of two directions: > > A) If I'm lazy, or just want to test something, and/or it doesn't need > > to be in the same location as packaged things, I'll just throw it in > > /usr/local/stow/ and stow it. > sounds like a reasonable option for stuff you don't update much. > or is it good for testing new versions of stuff? make a separate > directory under /usr/local/stow for each new version? It's not much harder than updating regularly using RPMs. You could easily use it to test new versions, using a different directory for each version, removing the old ones as desired. I've done this a good bit actually, except I usually un-stow and remove the install, then install and stow the new version. > > 2) If you want to install from RPM, I would recommend using alien. It > > does a fairly clean job of things, and you can always check the .deb it > > generates before you install it. I believe there's also a way to tweak > > the control scripts before you actually build the package. > how well does it deal with apt-get upgrades? I would hope that by > using this method; the version I install wouldn't be overwritten by > something that apt grabbed (unless there indeed was a newer version on the > debian mirrors). The generated packages should be versioned just like any other package, so APT will only overwrite your alien'd package if there is really a newer (upstream) version. The only time you'd have to put it on hold is if you were compiling a custom package of the same or lesser upstream version than what's in Debian. Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa Kevin R. Bullock From tanner at real-time.com Wed Feb 14 01:54:10 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mutt In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 11:44:43PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20010214015410.C15670@real-time.com> Quoting Yaron (jethro@freakzilla.com): > Hi, > > Ok, where's the _good_ docs that explain the whole keybinding thing? Can > you even change the bindings for like, scrolling inside a message? > > Can you tell it to use an SMTP server? I didn't see anything but set > sendmail=. Mutt is just a MUA, it must talk to a MTA, like sendmail for delivery. > > Also can't get the SSL part to accept certificates permanently... It will only accept CA issued certs perm, otherwise all you can do it once. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From andyzb at ltiflex.com Wed Feb 14 08:31:58 2001 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] eth0 dies References: <20010213003428.G3665@real-time.com> <20010213203646.B9164@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3A8A96DE.DC275E92@ltiflex.com> > gotta have something to believe in. :) > I see your point; but what I mean to say is that given the choice bewteen a > number of products about which I know nothing; I'll avoid the Linksys > product in favor of a non-Linksys product. > > Just one of a number of selection methods to employ. > Perhaps 'avoid like the plague' is a bit strong a term. :) Just perhaps. I have a handful of Linksys cards (about 4) and I haven't had trouble with any of them. The big issue I have now is that there are at least four different version (maybe five now) of the TX100, and they weren't kind enough to add a b, c, d, etc. at the end. I'm starting to feel a little iffy on their newer cards though... -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I love my TiVo. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: andyzb.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 367 bytes Desc: Card for Andy Zbikowski Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010214/1ca8c0cb/andyzb.vcf From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Wed Feb 14 08:36:55 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rehash: pine/ssl? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Yaron wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Philip C Mendelsohn wrote: > > > Sure -- if you don't type well enough for cat > > > Hah! You have cat??? Try having to short the keyboard wires in binary... That's not so hard -- I can short them in binary. Or unary! But other than that, I'm stumped... -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Wed Feb 14 08:43:31 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] eth0 dies In-Reply-To: <20010213203646.B9164@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > > I've had a bad experience with a Linksys KVM switch, and I'll avoid their > > > products like the plague from now on. > > > > And this is how superstitions get started... ;) > > gotta have something to believe in. :) > I see your point; but what I mean to say is that given the choice bewteen a > number of products about which I know nothing; I'll avoid the Linksys > product in favor of a non-Linksys product. I can't say I have a better system for making uninformed puchases. ;) > Just one of a number of selection methods to employ. > Perhaps 'avoid like the plague' is a bit strong a term. :) Aw, come on. The plague's not *that* bad... Phil -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Wed Feb 14 08:46:14 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Show of hands for the virus In-Reply-To: <20010213204808.C9164@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > I opened it in VMSmail. > > > > Ed Hoeffner > > Go VMS! :) > > I wouldn't mind getting ahold of a VMS box at some point... just for > nostalgia's sake. :) (and the fact that VAXen make good coffee tables, wet > bars, walk-in closets, etc...) I dunno. As much as I liked the 11/780, the MicroVAX sitting on one's desktop was kind of a fantasy. If the screen looks / acts right, you can just put the MicroVAX in a refrigerator box and let the kids help you write BRAINIAC 2 on the outside. Phil -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From spencer at sihope.com Wed Feb 14 07:29:47 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (Spencer Underground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mbr Message-ID: <000401c0968a$45ac8000$0200000a@toughguy.autonomous.tv> Has anyone had the pleasure of loading wincrap on a drive that previously housed llinux? I have had mild sucess with this. But I have a very stubborn WD that will not forget the mbr of its previous life. I zero filled the drive and still nothing. It shows the classic symptoms of a virus i.e. master boot record modified ide drivers corrupt,,,,that sort of thing. But no virus found , at least not at antivirus.com. Maybe I just need some better quality herb or something, but I think lilo and win do not get along real nicely. Incidentally, I had a simular situation on an NTFS drive. I was able to repair the mbr and recover the data. But that was a different situation. Still stemming from lilo and win. -Spencer Underground From wilson at visi.com Wed Feb 14 13:25:40 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] maintaining patched software Message-ID: Hey everyone, For you sysadmins out there: If I need to run a custom, patched version of Apache, should I skip the Debian package and compile from source or would it be better to recompile the source deb once the patch has been applied? My primary motivation is ease of maintenance. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ From mpatchen at mn.rr.com Wed Feb 14 13:43:44 2001 From: mpatchen at mn.rr.com (Mike Patchen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mbr References: <000401c0968a$45ac8000$0200000a@toughguy.autonomous.tv> Message-ID: <003d01c096be$711aac60$0219a8c0@localdomain> I have had similar problems. Did you actually do a low level format, or just zero fill the data portion of the drive? Mike Patchen MDP Consulting mpatchen@mn.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Spencer Underground" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 7:29 AM Subject: [TCLUG] mbr > Has anyone had the pleasure of loading wincrap on a drive that previously > housed llinux? > I have had mild sucess with this. But I have a very stubborn WD that will > not forget the mbr of its previous life. I zero filled the drive and still > nothing. It shows the classic symptoms of a virus i.e. master boot record > modified ide drivers corrupt,,,,that sort of thing. But no virus found , at > least not at antivirus.com. Maybe I just need some better quality herb or > something, but I think lilo and win do not get along real nicely. > Incidentally, I had a simular situation on an NTFS drive. I was able to > repair the mbr and recover the data. But that was a different situation. > Still stemming from lilo and win. > > -Spencer Underground > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tanner at real-time.com Wed Feb 14 13:57:49 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Kernel Archives Change Message-ID: <20010214135749.X11371@real-time.com> Would people be interested in when the kernel archives mirror has any changes in it? If you are an official mirror, the main kernel archives sends an email everytime something changes, I could forward this info to the mirrors mailing list. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From dd-b at dd-b.net Wed Feb 14 13:58:09 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Show of hands for the virus In-Reply-To: <010213215133.20323ef7@dcmir.med.umn.edu> References: <010213215133.20323ef7@dcmir.med.umn.edu> Message-ID: HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu writes: > >Go VMS! :) > > > >I wouldn't mind getting ahold of a VMS box at some point... just for > >nostalgia's sake. :) (and the fact that VAXen make good coffee tables, wet > >bars, walk-in closets, etc...) > > > >Carl Soderstrom > > Never expected to find a VMSer here! The best part about it is that it's rare > enough that noone will write "problems" for it. Of course, the downside... Haven't used a Vax, or VMS, in years. Used to support it for DEC locally, and did some cross-platform software development for it and TOPS-10 and TOPS-20 out in Marlboro in the 80's though. I don't think of myself as a VMS person, though; I'm a TOPS-20 person who was slumming in VMS land :-) -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From fertch at mninter.net Wed Feb 14 13:55:04 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mbr References: <000401c0968a$45ac8000$0200000a@toughguy.autonomous.tv> Message-ID: <3A8AE298.D093FE62@mninter.net> I ran into this a little while ago. If you're going back to Windoze or dual-booting, boot using a win boot disk. Run "fdisk /mbr" then run regular fdisk and delete all partitions recreating them. Should be okay then. I myself ran into an issue yesterday with Partition Magic that said my partition table was corrupt. I submitted the report to PowerQuest, and I was told to turn the removable media settings to off in the bios. They were off, and I still ran into the problem. Completely stumped the techs there. Shawn Spencer Underground wrote: > > Has anyone had the pleasure of loading wincrap on a drive that previously > housed llinux? > I have had mild sucess with this. But I have a very stubborn WD that will > not forget the mbr of its previous life. I zero filled the drive and still > nothing. It shows the classic symptoms of a virus i.e. master boot record > modified ide drivers corrupt,,,,that sort of thing. But no virus found , at > least not at antivirus.com. Maybe I just need some better quality herb or > something, but I think lilo and win do not get along real nicely. > Incidentally, I had a simular situation on an NTFS drive. I was able to > repair the mbr and recover the data. But that was a different situation. > Still stemming from lilo and win. > > -Spencer Underground > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ben at nerp.net Wed Feb 14 13:50:47 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] maintaining patched software In-Reply-To: Message-ID: well,it'd be more fun to make your own apache debs.. it depends more on if you use other debian packages that depend on apache.. if you use imp/horde.. patch the deb source... Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Wed, 14 Feb 2001, Timothy Wilson wrote: > Hey everyone, > > For you sysadmins out there: > > If I need to run a custom, patched version of Apache, should I skip the > Debian package and compile from source or would it be better to recompile > the source deb once the patch has been applied? My primary motivation is > ease of maintenance. > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From wilson at visi.com Wed Feb 14 14:19:30 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] maintaining patched software In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Feb 2001, Ben Kochie wrote: > well,it'd be more fun to make your own apache debs.. I hadn't though of that. > it depends more on if you use other debian packages that depend on > apache.. if you use imp/horde.. patch the deb source... The only other apache-related package I would install would probably be apache-ssl. I also want to use webalizer on this box, but I haven't checked to see if it depends on apache. Oh, I guess mailman may also need apache. I'll check it out. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ From tanner at real-time.com Wed Feb 14 14:25:40 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] maintaining patched software In-Reply-To: ; from wilson@visi.com on Wed, Feb 14, 2001 at 01:25:40PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20010214142540.L11371@real-time.com> Quoting Timothy Wilson (wilson@visi.com): > Hey everyone, > > For you sysadmins out there: > > If I need to run a custom, patched version of Apache, should I skip the > Debian package and compile from source or would it be better to recompile > the source deb once the patch has been applied? My primary motivation is > ease of maintenance. How man machines run this software? If it's just 1 or 2, just skip the packaging. If it's more go for the package. At Real Time we package almost everything, because we have at a min 2 machines for each service (primary and backup) and because many of our clients run the same services packages make upgrades a whole lot easier. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From Troy.Johnson at health.state.mn.us Wed Feb 14 14:26:29 2001 From: Troy.Johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Kernel Archives Change Message-ID: I am interested in this info, I vote yes! :-) >>> tanner@real-time.com 02/14/01 01:57PM >>> Would people be interested in when the kernel archives mirror has any changes in it? If you are an official mirror, the main kernel archives sends an email everytime something changes, I could forward this info to the mirrors mailing list. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From esper at sherohman.org Wed Feb 14 14:40:38 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Character decoding Message-ID: <20010214144038.A12866@sherohman.org> I've got a document a (Windows-using) friend sent me, which I'm guessing was created using a unicode font. It claims to be Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii but the actual text has sections which look like The Identity of the god R\355g from the Eddic Poem R\355gs\376\372la How would I go about cleaning this up and making it web-readable? Ideally, I would like to do it such that the \nnn codes will display the correct Icelandic characters in a browser, but I suspect that transliterating to standard ASCII would be the most widely-compatible way to go. -- SGI products are used to create the 'Bugs' that entertain us in theatres and at home. - SGI job posting Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From tanner at real-time.com Wed Feb 14 14:49:57 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Kernel Archives Change In-Reply-To: ; from Troy.Johnson@health.state.mn.us on Wed, Feb 14, 2001 at 02:26:29PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20010214144957.P11371@real-time.com> Quoting Troy Johnson (Troy.Johnson@health.state.mn.us): > I am interested in this info, I vote yes! :-) > > >>> tanner@real-time.com 02/14/01 01:57PM >>> > Would people be interested in when the kernel archives mirror has any changes > in it? > > If you are an official mirror, the main kernel archives sends an email > everytime something changes, I could forward this info to the mirrors mailing > list. 1 person is all it takes. :-0 Ok, I am going to send these messages to the mirrors lists. Subscribe: https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/debian-mirror https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-mirror https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/slackware-mirror It will go to all the list, just pick your fav distro -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From fertch at mninter.net Wed Feb 14 15:24:14 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Couple of questions Message-ID: <3A8AF77E.FC6F98C3@mninter.net> I'm trying to get it so that my laptop detects whether or not my external Zip is connected or not at bootup. Is it the rc.sysinit file that I modify? I'm running SuSe 7.0, I think they link to another file though. modprobe imm is the command I use for detecting the zip after bootup. Secondly, IBM is supposed to be dumping all this money into Linux development. So why can't they make it easy in trying to find driver for my laptop? The only options they give in drivers are Windows... Simply looking for drivers for my soundcard is all. Haven't tried alsa or Sox or whatever is available. Haven't had time. I took Slackware 7.1 off and put SuSe back on due to time constraints. Needed to get things running on my laptop in a hurry. Thanks, Shawn From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Wed Feb 14 15:51:19 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Couple of questions In-Reply-To: <3A8AF77E.FC6F98C3@mninter.net>; from fertch@mninter.net on Wed, Feb 14, 2001 at 03:24:14PM -0600 References: <3A8AF77E.FC6F98C3@mninter.net> Message-ID: <20010214155119.A18284@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Wed, Feb 14, 2001 at 03:24:14PM -0600, Shawn Fertch wrote: > Secondly, IBM is supposed to be dumping all this money into Linux > development. So why can't they make it easy in trying to find driver > for my laptop? The only options they give in drivers are Windows... > Simply looking for drivers for my soundcard is all. Haven't tried alsa > or Sox or whatever is available. Haven't had time. I took Slackware > 7.1 off and put SuSe back on due to time constraints. Needed to get > things running on my laptop in a hurry. What type of laptop do you have? Have you looked at the Linux on laptops page ? Do you know what sound chip your laptop has? Its unlikely that you'd need a driver directly from IBM. -- Jim Crumley | crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | From dd-b at dd-b.net Wed Feb 14 15:53:43 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Character decoding In-Reply-To: <20010214144038.A12866@sherohman.org> References: <20010214144038.A12866@sherohman.org> Message-ID: Dave Sherohman writes: > I've got a document a (Windows-using) friend sent me, which I'm guessing > was created using a unicode font. It claims to be > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > but the actual text has sections which look like > > The Identity of the god R\355g > from the Eddic Poem R\355gs\376\372la That looks like 8-bit ascii, is all (being read through a 7-bit client). > How would I go about cleaning this up and making it web-readable? You can't reliably display such things on the web -- because the clients don't all support them. -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From dd-b at dd-b.net Wed Feb 14 15:53:43 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Character decoding In-Reply-To: <20010214144038.A12866@sherohman.org> References: <20010214144038.A12866@sherohman.org> Message-ID: Dave Sherohman writes: > I've got a document a (Windows-using) friend sent me, which I'm guessing > was created using a unicode font. It claims to be > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > but the actual text has sections which look like > > The Identity of the god R\355g > from the Eddic Poem R\355gs\376\372la That looks like 8-bit ascii, is all (being read through a 7-bit client). > How would I go about cleaning this up and making it web-readable? You can't reliably display such things on the web -- because the clients don't all support them. -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From ecrist at armageddon.ardent-hacker.net Wed Feb 14 16:08:20 2001 From: ecrist at armageddon.ardent-hacker.net (Eric F Crist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] qt-2.2.4 and jpeg files Message-ID: Hey, For the life of me, I cannot get qt-2.2.4 to compile with jpeg support. The error tells me to go to www.ijg.org and dl the Jpeg6 sources and install them, so I did, 5 different times, trying to get it right. That has not worked. I've also gone into /stand/sysinstall and removed every package on the system that uses Jpeg6 and reinstalled it from there, but the qt compiler won't find the jpeg files. Finally, I hunted down the file on my system that it said it couldn't find, and found it right where it was supposed to be! I'm confused. I'm running FreeBSD 4.2, btw. Any help would be appreciated. Eric From foeclan at winternet.com Wed Feb 14 16:18:54 2001 From: foeclan at winternet.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Couple of questions In-Reply-To: <3A8AF77E.FC6F98C3@mninter.net> Message-ID: Try http://oss.software.ibm.com/developer/opensource/linux. Found the link off of a Slashdot article about IBM GPLing their WinModem drivers for their laptops. I'm not seeing one for the sound, but that'd be the place to start for IBM Linux stuff. Michael Vieths Foeclan@Winternet.Com On Wed, 14 Feb 2001, Shawn Fertch wrote: > > Secondly, IBM is supposed to be dumping all this money into Linux > development. So why can't they make it easy in trying to find driver > for my laptop? The only options they give in drivers are Windows... > Simply looking for drivers for my soundcard is all. Haven't tried alsa > or Sox or whatever is available. Haven't had time. I took Slackware > 7.1 off and put SuSe back on due to time constraints. Needed to get > things running on my laptop in a hurry. > > Thanks, > > Shawn > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From esper at sherohman.org Wed Feb 14 16:22:38 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Character decoding In-Reply-To: ; from dd-b@dd-b.net on Wed, Feb 14, 2001 at 03:53:43PM -0600 References: <20010214144038.A12866@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20010214162238.C12866@sherohman.org> On Wed, Feb 14, 2001 at 03:53:43PM -0600, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > Dave Sherohman writes: > > The Identity of the god R\355g > > from the Eddic Poem R\355gs\376\372la > > That looks like 8-bit ascii, is all (being read through a 7-bit > client). Oh, yeah... Octal. I assumed it was decimal, saw >255, and went for a two-byte character set. > > How would I go about cleaning this up and making it web-readable? > > You can't reliably display such things on the web -- because the > clients don't all support them. That's where the transliterating to standard english characters that I mentioned earlier comes in. Is there anything out there already that will do that automatically? Or do I have to spend some quality time with sed? -- SGI products are used to create the 'Bugs' that entertain us in theatres and at home. - SGI job posting Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From mkroska at readynetgo.com Wed Feb 14 16:26:02 2001 From: mkroska at readynetgo.com (Mark K) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Character decoding In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ...Or encode it in "spam", the universal language.. http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/02/12/1749200&mode=thread :) MK On 14 Feb 2001, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > Dave Sherohman writes: > > > I've got a document a (Windows-using) friend sent me, which I'm guessing > > was created using a unicode font. It claims to be > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > but the actual text has sections which look like > > > > The Identity of the god R\355g > > from the Eddic Poem R\355gs\376\372la > > That looks like 8-bit ascii, is all (being read through a 7-bit > client). > > > How would I go about cleaning this up and making it web-readable? > > You can't reliably display such things on the web -- because the > clients don't all support them. > -- ________________________________________________________ ReadyNET Go!, Inc. - Building your Business on the net ________________________________________________________ Mark J. Kroska MIS Director 320.656.0765 Voice 888.447.3239 Toll Free 320.203.7052 Fax http://www.readynetgo.com mailto:mkroska@readynetgo.com ________________________________________________________ From fertch at mninter.net Wed Feb 14 16:36:18 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Couple of questions References: <3A8AF77E.FC6F98C3@mninter.net> <20010214155119.A18284@gordo.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3A8B0862.42DCA571@mninter.net> Jim Crumley wrote: > What type of laptop do you have? Have you looked at the Linux on > laptops page ? > Do you know what sound chip your laptop has? Its unlikely > that you'd need a driver directly from IBM. > IBM Thinkpad i1720. Has the MagicMedia 256AV Audio Device. SuSe detects it, but says that it can't be installed due to no available driver. I looked at a webpage on laptops but they didn't discuss this particular issue. Someone mentioned alsa and the like, but I tried and couldn't get it to go. Think it's an enduser issue. Haven't had much time to go beyond that. Also, since the internal modem is a winmodem and so far a workable solution hasn't been come up with on the drivers a while ago, I went out and bought a pcmcia card. The card works fine, get a nice 56k speed. But what I'm after is that the card also allows me to plug into my cell phone (nokia 6162) and dial into my ISP. Anyone hear of any success on this? If so, any chance of a website that may have some info? I looked at linmodems.org and didn't see anything. The modem I bought is a Viking Components RFM56KPCNOK modem. I'm not keen on the multi dongle thing, but it's livable. From andyzb at ltiflex.com Wed Feb 14 16:32:48 2001 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Couple of questions References: <3A8AF77E.FC6F98C3@mninter.net> Message-ID: <3A8B0790.8D35E8A6@ltiflex.com> > I'm trying to get it so that my laptop detects whether or not my > external Zip is connected or not at bootup. Is it the rc.sysinit file > that I modify? I'm running SuSe 7.0, I think they link to another file > though. modprobe imm is the command I use for detecting the zip after > bootup. Depending on distribution, you could put IMM in /etc/modules and if the drive is there, the module will be installed. If it isn't, the module will just spit out an error message and your system will continue booting. You can still attach your zip drive later and modprobe imm to start. Pretty simple. You can also do crazy stuff like adding and removing SCSI devices to a running system, but it isn't exactly recommended. (It worked well enough with my MO drive though.) As this isn't really something you should do, I'm not going to tell you how. I think it's documented in scsi.c in the kernel source. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: andyzb.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 367 bytes Desc: Card for Andy Zbikowski Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010214/7461a90c/andyzb.vcf From zibby at ringworld.org Wed Feb 14 17:04:47 2001 From: zibby at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Couple of questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Found the link off of a Slashdot article about IBM GPLing their WinModem > drivers for their laptops. I'm not seeing one for the sound, but that'd > be the place to start for IBM Linux stuff. Even with Linux drivers those modems still suck. :-) | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | | This message is protected by double ROT13 | | encryption. Any attempt to circumvent the | | digital protection is banned by the DMCA. | From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Feb 14 18:59:58 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Character decoding References: <20010214144038.A12866@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <3A8B2A0E.A55A19AB@tc.umn.edu> Dave Sherohman wrote: > > The Identity of the god R\355g > from the Eddic Poem R\355gs\376\372la > > How would I go about cleaning this up and making it web-readable? > Ideally, I would like to do it such that the \nnn codes will display > the correct Icelandic characters in a browser, but I suspect that > transliterating to standard ASCII would be the most widely-compatible > way to go. If you want to convert to 8-bit ASCII, this perl script will work: #!/usr/bin/perl @lines = ; foreach $line (@lines) { system ("echo -en \'$line\'"); } However, if you want an HTML version, the best thing to do would be to convert the \nnn strings into the appropriate HTML entities. \355 is the character `?', which is `í' in HTML, for example. It would be easy to write an appropriate perl or sed script to fix it up. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I like to reminisce with / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ people I don't know. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Feb 14 19:02:32 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mbr References: <000401c0968a$45ac8000$0200000a@toughguy.autonomous.tv> Message-ID: <3A8B2AA8.973756C7@tc.umn.edu> Spencer Underground wrote: > > Has anyone had the pleasure of loading wincrap on a drive that previously > housed llinux? > I have had mild sucess with this. But I have a very stubborn WD that will > not forget the mbr of its previous life. I zero filled the drive and still > nothing. It shows the classic symptoms of a virus i.e. master boot record > modified ide drivers corrupt,,,,that sort of thing. But no virus found , at > least not at antivirus.com. Maybe I just need some better quality herb or > something, but I think lilo and win do not get along real nicely. > Incidentally, I had a simular situation on an NTFS drive. I was able to > repair the mbr and recover the data. But that was a different situation. > Still stemming from lilo and win. If you want to hose the MBR on a disk, just do something like `dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda' Note that you don't point it to /dev/hda1 -- just hda. If you want to somehow recover an MBR, that's a bit more tricky, though LILO does keep the original MBR, usually in /boot/boot.0300 (for hda, the file would be slightly differently named if it's for a different drive). You can try to restore it by doing `dd if=/boot/boot.0300 of=/dev/hda' or `/sbin/lilo -u'. Of course, this has two requirements: The OS that was installed before Linux has to have been DOS or Windows and those files have to still exist on the hard drive. If you can find a DOS/Win boot diskette with fdisk on it, just run `fdisk /mbr' -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Why are they called / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ apartments, when they're \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) all stuck together? [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From destef at destef.com Wed Feb 14 19:36:48 2001 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mbr In-Reply-To: <000401c0968a$45ac8000$0200000a@toughguy.autonomous.tv> Message-ID: boot with a dos floppy with your old linux drive as c: then type: fdisk /mbr this will fix your drive On Wed, 14 Feb 2001, Spencer Underground wrote: > Has anyone had the pleasure of loading wincrap on a drive that previously > housed llinux? > I have had mild sucess with this. But I have a very stubborn WD that will > not forget the mbr of its previous life. I zero filled the drive and still > nothing. It shows the classic symptoms of a virus i.e. master boot record > modified ide drivers corrupt,,,,that sort of thing. But no virus found , at > least not at antivirus.com. Maybe I just need some better quality herb or > something, but I think lilo and win do not get along real nicely. > Incidentally, I had a simular situation on an NTFS drive. I was able to > repair the mbr and recover the data. But that was a different situation. > Still stemming from lilo and win. > > -Spencer Underground > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dd-b at dd-b.net Wed Feb 14 21:32:04 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Character decoding In-Reply-To: <20010214162238.C12866@sherohman.org> References: <20010214144038.A12866@sherohman.org> <20010214162238.C12866@sherohman.org> Message-ID: Dave Sherohman writes: > On Wed, Feb 14, 2001 at 03:53:43PM -0600, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > > Dave Sherohman writes: > > > The Identity of the god R\355g > > > from the Eddic Poem R\355gs\376\372la > > > > That looks like 8-bit ascii, is all (being read through a 7-bit > > client). > > Oh, yeah... Octal. I assumed it was decimal, saw >255, and went for a > two-byte character set. > > > > How would I go about cleaning this up and making it web-readable? > > > > You can't reliably display such things on the web -- because the > > clients don't all support them. > > That's where the transliterating to standard english characters that I > mentioned earlier comes in. Is there anything out there already that will > do that automatically? Or do I have to spend some quality time with sed? I don't have something to suggest, anyway. The whole area of foreign characters is one I don't know enough about anyway, though. -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From dd-b at dd-b.net Wed Feb 14 21:32:04 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Character decoding In-Reply-To: <20010214162238.C12866@sherohman.org> References: <20010214144038.A12866@sherohman.org> <20010214162238.C12866@sherohman.org> Message-ID: Dave Sherohman writes: > On Wed, Feb 14, 2001 at 03:53:43PM -0600, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > > Dave Sherohman writes: > > > The Identity of the god R\355g > > > from the Eddic Poem R\355gs\376\372la > > > > That looks like 8-bit ascii, is all (being read through a 7-bit > > client). > > Oh, yeah... Octal. I assumed it was decimal, saw >255, and went for a > two-byte character set. > > > > How would I go about cleaning this up and making it web-readable? > > > > You can't reliably display such things on the web -- because the > > clients don't all support them. > > That's where the transliterating to standard english characters that I > mentioned earlier comes in. Is there anything out there already that will > do that automatically? Or do I have to spend some quality time with sed? I don't have something to suggest, anyway. The whole area of foreign characters is one I don't know enough about anyway, though. -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From dd-b at dd-b.net Wed Feb 14 21:33:03 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Character decoding In-Reply-To: <3A8B2A0E.A55A19AB@tc.umn.edu> References: <20010214144038.A12866@sherohman.org> <3A8B2A0E.A55A19AB@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: Michael Hicks writes: > Dave Sherohman wrote: > > > > The Identity of the god R\355g > > from the Eddic Poem R\355gs\376\372la > > > > How would I go about cleaning this up and making it web-readable? > > Ideally, I would like to do it such that the \nnn codes will display > > the correct Icelandic characters in a browser, but I suspect that > > transliterating to standard ASCII would be the most widely-compatible > > way to go. > > If you want to convert to 8-bit ASCII, this perl script will work: > > #!/usr/bin/perl > > @lines = ; > foreach $line (@lines) > { > system ("echo -en \'$line\'"); > } > > However, if you want an HTML version, the best thing to do would be to > convert the \nnn strings into the appropriate HTML entities. \355 is > the character `?', which is `í' in HTML, for example. It would > be easy to write an appropriate perl or sed script to fix it up. Doh! Right, this is the correct advice. Glad I managed to come up with *no* advice, instead of actually making a *stupid* suggestion! -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From dd-b at dd-b.net Wed Feb 14 21:35:19 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Couple of questions In-Reply-To: <3A8B0862.42DCA571@mninter.net> References: <3A8AF77E.FC6F98C3@mninter.net> <20010214155119.A18284@gordo.space.umn.edu> <3A8B0862.42DCA571@mninter.net> Message-ID: Shawn Fertch writes: > Also, since the internal modem is a winmodem and so far a workable > solution hasn't been come up with on the drivers a while ago, I went out > and bought a pcmcia card. The card works fine, get a nice 56k speed. > But what I'm after is that the card also allows me to plug into my cell > phone (nokia 6162) and dial into my ISP. Anyone hear of any success on > this? If so, any chance of a website that may have some info? I looked > at linmodems.org and didn't see anything. The modem I bought is a > Viking Components RFM56KPCNOK modem. I'm not keen on the multi dongle > thing, but it's livable. I'm successful in connecting my Linux laptop to my ISP via a Motorola Timeport cell phone. But that phone has digital support; I connect to the serial port on the laptop, and the phone emulates a modem (AT commands and all). -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From nate at techie.com Wed Feb 14 17:36:50 2001 From: nate at techie.com (nate@techie.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Couple of questions In-Reply-To: <3A8AF77E.FC6F98C3@mninter.net>; from fertch@mninter.net on Wed, Feb 14, 2001 at 03:24:14PM -0600 References: <3A8AF77E.FC6F98C3@mninter.net> Message-ID: <20010214173650.A18369@candle.dyn.dhs.org> On Wed, Feb 14, 2001 at 03:24:14PM -0600, Shawn Fertch wrote: > Secondly, IBM is supposed to be dumping all this money into Linux > development. So why can't they make it easy in trying to find driver They are dumping money into ISVs, which means that businesses are going to see more software that they can use for Linux. I doubt much of it will go to driver development unless there is a Linux drivers group that applies for some of the money. Nate From m_nassar at yahoo.com Wed Feb 14 21:46:14 2001 From: m_nassar at yahoo.com (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: 1. mbr (Spencer Underground) In-Reply-To: <200102142307.f1EN7tl14262@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010215034614.99646.qmail@web10108.mail.yahoo.com> my first step would be to fdisk from within Linux since MS fdisk cannot has major personality problems with logical ext2 partitions but we can skip this with the zero-fill and/or Partition Magic and/or other good partitioning software now i came accross the same MBR problem after a failed DOS 6.22 installation...(how i fumbled this one up - dont ask) not Fdisk, zero-fill not anything would help (not even the dreaded fdisk /mbr) your best is to find a low-lovel formater on www.simtel.net or www.google.com failing that... find an old 386/486/pentium that give the option to low-level format in the BIOS - thats what i did... and i just thought of this... do a "DESRUCTIVE" disk check... works wonders on win2krap just my little ramble... -munir > Has anyone had the pleasure of loading wincrap on a > drive that previously > housed llinux? > I have had mild sucess with this. But I have a very > stubborn WD that will > not forget the mbr of its previous life. I zero > filled the drive and still > nothing. It shows the classic symptoms of a virus > i.e. master boot record > modified ide drivers corrupt,,,,that sort of thing. > But no virus found , at > least not at antivirus.com. Maybe I just need some > better quality herb or > something, but I think lilo and win do not get along > real nicely. > Incidentally, I had a simular situation on an NTFS > drive. I was able to > repair the mbr and recover the data. But that was a > different situation. > Still stemming from lilo and win. > > -Spencer Underground > > ===== -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GAT GIT dpu- s:- a19 C++ UL P+ L+(++) E--- W+ N+ w(--) K? O-- M- V- PS+ PE-(--) Y-- PGP-(---) t 5+++ X R tv-- b+++ D++ DI++ G e+ h+() r- y+ UF++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dante at plethora.net Wed Feb 14 22:08:21 2001 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Here you have, ;o) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01021422082105.07219@debian> On Monday 12 February 2001 17:22, you wrote: > It just does not seem like the kind of app you'd find at a place called > "Open Systems International" (said the guy using GroupWise). ;-) > > >>> jsowers@osii.com 02/12/01 05:06PM >>> > > Anyway, you have > to see thing from a business standpoint, outlook has some great features > that, unfortunately, pine cannot offer. > And from a mail client standpoint, Pine has many features that Outlook will probably never have. Personally I do _NOT_ wan't my schedule and e-mail both residing on a known vulnerable client package. It is far better to have a good groupware package and a good e-mail client as seperate packages IMNSHO. Dan (the other one...) From tanner at real-time.com Wed Feb 14 22:19:16 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] "Live" system to CD? Message-ID: <20010214221916.L23134@real-time.com> What is the best command to get a live system to a bootable cdrom? dd mkiso/cdrecord I want to take a live redhat linux system and put it to a cd. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From spencer at sihope.com Thu Feb 15 01:52:45 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (spencer@sihope.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] fdisk /mbr Message-ID: <200102150556.XAA23572@unix1.sihope.com> Well oddly enough, I did fdisk /mbr the f***ing thing. I was using a silly ol' WDisktools wizard disk, all it offered was the zero fill. I vaguely recall solving a simular issue with a LL format. But at the hours I am able to work on my own system LL format and zero fill kind of all melt into one data erasing pot. Come to think about it, the only real way to completely destroy data is with a sledge hammer... I'm off the Home Depot... -Spencer Underground Spencer mailto:spencer@sihope.com Download NeoPlanet at http://www.neoplanet.com From spencer at sihope.com Wed Feb 14 19:09:33 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (Spencer Underground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #682 - 17 msgs Message-ID: <000c01c096ec$0738dff0$0200000a@toughguy.autonomous.tv> Thanks people. It's nice to have a second pair of eyes for troubleshooting. I did fdisk /mbr on the drive with the greedy OS and it straight up solved my problem. The other times I did that number was before I raped the drive with windisaster. Good looking out... -Spencer Underground From tanner at real-time.com Thu Feb 15 03:10:30 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] QuestionExchange Message-ID: <20010215031030.E4062@real-time.com> Anyone know if QuestionExchange is open source? Did not find much on sourceforge and nothing on the site itself about source code. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From andyzb at ltiflex.com Thu Feb 15 08:18:13 2001 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mbr References: <000401c0968a$45ac8000$0200000a@toughguy.autonomous.tv> <3A8B2AA8.973756C7@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3A8BE525.5A3B504@ltiflex.com> > If you can find a DOS/Win boot diskette with fdisk on it, just run > `fdisk /mbr' http://www.ringworld.org/~zibby/disks dd is my friend. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: andyzb.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 367 bytes Desc: Card for Andy Zbikowski Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010215/7da9899c/andyzb.vcf From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Thu Feb 15 09:08:03 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Couple of questions In-Reply-To: <3A8B0862.42DCA571@mninter.net>; from fertch@mninter.net on Wed, Feb 14, 2001 at 04:36:18PM -0600 References: <3A8AF77E.FC6F98C3@mninter.net> <20010214155119.A18284@gordo.space.umn.edu> <3A8B0862.42DCA571@mninter.net> Message-ID: <20010215090802.A18661@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Wed, Feb 14, 2001 at 04:36:18PM -0600, Shawn Fertch wrote: > Jim Crumley wrote: > > > What type of laptop do you have? Have you looked at the Linux on > > laptops page ? > > Do you know what sound chip your laptop has? Its unlikely > > that you'd need a driver directly from IBM. > > > > IBM Thinkpad i1720. Has the MagicMedia 256AV Audio Device. SuSe > detects it, but says that it can't be installed due to no available > driver. I looked at a webpage on laptops but they didn't discuss this > particular issue. Someone mentioned alsa and the like, but I tried and > couldn't get it to go. Think it's an enduser issue. Haven't had much > time to go beyond that. A quick Google search brought this page for MagicMedia 256AV sound drivers , which looks promising. It looks like there is a driver with the standard kernel. Re-compiling the kernel should do the trick (or maybe even just inserting the correct modules by hand). -- Jim Crumley | crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Feb 15 10:10:20 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Fwd: Lessig's lecture] Message-ID: <3A8BFF6C.1FD922C2@tc.umn.edu> Probably at a bad time for lots of people, but you could go see Larry Lessig. You might recognize the name from the Microsoft antitrust trial, or some of the goings-on around DeCSS. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Lessig's lecture Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 09:30:19 -0600 From: "I.T. Student Affairs" To: Recipient List Suppressed:; Dean E. Thomas Sullivan and the University of Minnesota Law School Invite you to the Third Annual Horatio Ellsworth Kellar Distinguished Visitor Lecture featuring Lawrence Lessig, Professor of Law, Stanford University Law School Professor Lessig's lecture is entitled "Innovation & The Net." Thursday, February 22, 2001 12:15 p.m. Lockhart Hall (Room 25), Law Center 229 19th Avenue South Minneapolis, MN Professor Larry Lessig is a leading authority on Internet law in the country. Professor Lessig's projects include a book on the law of cyberspace - viewing the law of cyberspace as a type of comparative constitutional law and exploring the significance of problems that the regulation of cyberspace might present. In December of 1997, Professor Lessig was named Special Master of the antitrust dispute between the United States Department of Justice and Microsoft Corporation by United States District Court Judge Thomas Penfield Jackson. Professor Lessig recently joined the faculty at Stanford University Law School. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Stealing a rhinoceros / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ should not be attempted \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) lightly. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From cfandre at maddog.mn-linux.org Thu Feb 15 08:55:22 2001 From: cfandre at maddog.mn-linux.org (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Next TCLUG Installfest Announcement Message-ID: <3A8BEDDA.B9D8EC38@maddog.mn-linux.org> This is the official Announcement for the TCLUG Installfest. What: Twin Cities Linux Users Group Installfest An installfest is a chance to get Linux installed on your system with the help of TCLUG experts. For more info on what an installfest is, go here: http://www.mn-linux.org/installfest/ If you are planning on attending, please register at http://www.mn-linux.org/installfest/registration.php When: Saturday March 3rd, 2001, 10am until 5pm Where: Benchmark Computer Learning 4510 West 77th Street, Suite 210 Edina, Minnesota 55435 Parking: Park on the WEST side of the building. The entrance on that side comes into the 2nd floor, whereas the east entrance comes in on the 1st floor. Coming in from the 2nd floor entrance, take a left and follow the signs to the Benchmark Seminar Room. It's just down the hall, and on the left. What to bring: You should bring everything you need. This includes power cables, power strips, network cables, keyboards, etc. How to help: Please inform anyone else that may be interested. Posters with info about the installfest can be found here: http://www.mn-linux.org/installfest/posters.html Please post them around town, the office, where ever. _______________________________________________ tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From blayer at qwest.net Thu Feb 15 04:31:41 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] "Live" system to CD? In-Reply-To: <20010214221916.L23134@real-time.com> References: <20010214221916.L23134@real-time.com> Message-ID: <01021510314100.05615@Homer> Funny that you should ask, I am working on this right now... On Thursday 15 February 2001 04:19, you wrote: > What is the best command to get a live system to a bootable cdrom? > > dd > mkiso/cdrecord > > I want to take a live redhat linux system and put it to a cd. The route is most likely a combination of mkisofs, with the (ElTorito) bootable cd-rom extensions turned on (-b), and then a simple cdrecord session. The / filesystem should be first be prepared of it's own. You can see this tehnique in the sample cdrecord command line a couple of paragraphs below, I assume the the Cdrom filesystem-to-be in mounted under 'FD10-000331' My interest in this was sparked a few weeks ago when I read about the NIC (aka ThinkNIC or New Internet Computer) which runs a Linux OS from a CD-rom, using a 4MB flash ROM for /tmp /var and a few other things. I wanted a version of Linux that would do the same, but use a small (40MB max) HD (or compact flash card) as it's /tmp and /var. The NIC OS is freely available, but it's kernel will not boot on generic hardware, it must be NIC hardware. Here is a link to the NIC OS ISO image: http://www.thinknic.com/about/gpl.html On the bottom of the page they list the mkisofs command that they are using to build their bootable / runnable image. Thanks, guys: mkisofs -b boot/boot.img.hda -c boot.cat -A 'NIC' -l -L -N -o /home/nc/image.raw -P MA -p 00-03-31 -R -V FD10-000331 -v Next, I was put onto a unique distribution called DemoLinux, which (supposedly) does all of this as well, thus I don't need to reinvent the wheel. I downloaded the DemoLinux ISO, but the resultant CDrom is unbootable... I used 'cdrecord dev=0,0,0 speed=2 -v -eject demolinux.iso' which has never failed to produce a bootable disk in the past. Weird. Full info, download etc avaialble from: http://www.demolinux.org/ Sorry if this got long. -- -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From wilson at visi.com Thu Feb 15 12:26:15 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] installing a system with LVM Message-ID: Hey everyone, We ordered our new Web server today at school. This machine will end up hosting all the Web pages for the district and running mailman to provide listserv capabilities for teachers and their classes. This will be my first "real" server install that will be providing Internet services on a large scale. I really want to do things right. I think I'd like to give LVM a try on this beast. It has Compaq's RAID controller which is supported in the kernel. We're getting two 18GB SCSI disks and plan to mirror them. I'm assuming that the RAID controller will take care of that. My question is regarding installing a system with LVM from the beginning. How would I do this on a Debian install? -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ From fertch at mninter.net Thu Feb 15 12:52:59 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Couple of questions References: <3A8AF77E.FC6F98C3@mninter.net> <20010214155119.A18284@gordo.space.umn.edu> <3A8B0862.42DCA571@mninter.net> <20010215090802.A18661@gordo.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3A8C258B.F22FAC98@mninter.net> Jim Crumley wrote: > > > What type of laptop do you have? Have you looked at the Linux on > > > laptops page ? > > > Do you know what sound chip your laptop has? Its unlikely > A quick Google search brought this page for MagicMedia 256AV sound > drivers , > which looks promising. It looks like there is a driver with > the standard kernel. Re-compiling the kernel should do the > trick (or maybe even just inserting the correct modules by > hand). > Dug all through the system, ran a search and couldn't find anything closely related to this module or driver. From the date on this, would think it'd be in the 2.2.16 kernel (SuSe 7.0). There is a help file on the video portion of this all-in-wonder card. Video works fine with the standard X-svga (I think, whatever the default is on install). Would this be something I could find on sourceforge, or the like? They're not showing a URL to where I could get it. Either that, or alsa might be a solution if I can't find it. Maybe 2.4 kernel will have it built in? From thudak at sistina.com Thu Feb 15 14:48:41 2001 From: thudak at sistina.com (Tom Hudak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] installing a system with LVM In-Reply-To: ; from wilson@visi.com on Thu, Feb 15, 2001 at 12:26:15PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20010215144841.B21753@sistina.com> On Thu, Feb 15, 2001 at 12:26:15PM -0600, Timothy Wilson wrote: First of all, subscribe to the linux-lvm list (http://www.sistina.com/lvm/Pages/maillist.html) to keep up to date with goings on, after that read up on the documentation. (There's quite a bit, be chatty but not annoying with the developers.) It should be a fairly simple project. >Hey everyone, > >We ordered our new Web server today at school. This machine will end up >hosting all the Web pages for the district and running mailman to provide >listserv capabilities for teachers and their classes. > >This will be my first "real" server install that will be providing Internet >services on a large scale. I really want to do things right. > >I think I'd like to give LVM a try on this beast. It has Compaq's RAID >controller which is supported in the kernel. We're getting two 18GB SCSI >disks and plan to mirror them. I'm assuming that the RAID controller will >take care of that. My question is regarding installing a system with LVM >from the beginning. > >How would I do this on a Debian install? > >-Tim > >-- >Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: >Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ >W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ >wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Thomas J. Hudak Systems Administrator Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com Phone: 612.379.3951 Page: 612.318.1967 Fax: 612.379.3952 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Chris _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Thu Feb 15 15:41:35 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Couple of questions In-Reply-To: <3A8C258B.F22FAC98@mninter.net>; from fertch@mninter.net on Thu, Feb 15, 2001 at 12:52:59PM -0600 References: <3A8AF77E.FC6F98C3@mninter.net> <20010214155119.A18284@gordo.space.umn.edu> <3A8B0862.42DCA571@mninter.net> <20010215090802.A18661@gordo.space.umn.edu> <3A8C258B.F22FAC98@mninter.net> Message-ID: <20010215154134.A19045@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Thu, Feb 15, 2001 at 12:52:59PM -0600, Shawn Fertch wrote: > Dug all through the system, ran a search and couldn't find anything > closely related to this module or driver. From the date on this, would > think it'd be in the 2.2.16 kernel (SuSe 7.0). There is a help file on > the video portion of this all-in-wonder card. Video works fine with the > standard X-svga (I think, whatever the default is on install). Would > this be something I could find on sourceforge, or the like? They're not > showing a URL to where I could get it. I hate to reply twice in a row to the same message, but I think I may have missed something. First, do you have the kernel source installed? I doubt Suse installs it by default, but I have no experience with Suse. So to see the driver file, you'd have to install the kernel source package (however you do that on Suse). And then to make use of the driver you would have to re-compile the kernel. But hopefully, you shouldn't have to do that. The sound module is probably located at /lib/modules/2.2.16/misc/nm256.o (assuming the people at Suse compiled that module for their kernel). You should be able to get sound by running: insmod soundcore insmod sound insmod nm256 and then firing up an application that uses sound and trying it out. If it does, work add those three modules to your /etc/modules, and then sound will always load when you boot up. If this doesn't work, let us know what happens. -- Jim Crumley | crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Thu Feb 15 15:15:34 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Couple of questions In-Reply-To: <3A8C258B.F22FAC98@mninter.net>; from fertch@mninter.net on Thu, Feb 15, 2001 at 12:52:59PM -0600 References: <3A8AF77E.FC6F98C3@mninter.net> <20010214155119.A18284@gordo.space.umn.edu> <3A8B0862.42DCA571@mninter.net> <20010215090802.A18661@gordo.space.umn.edu> <3A8C258B.F22FAC98@mninter.net> Message-ID: <20010215151533.A1974@ham.space.umn.edu> On Thu, Feb 15, 2001 at 12:52:59PM -0600, Shawn Fertch wrote: > Dug all through the system, ran a search and couldn't find anything > closely related to this module or driver. From the date on this, would > think it'd be in the 2.2.16 kernel (SuSe 7.0). There is a help file on > the video portion of this all-in-wonder card. Video works fine with the > standard X-svga (I think, whatever the default is on install). Would > this be something I could find on sourceforge, or the like? They're not > showing a URL to where I could get it. Strange. From my vanilla (Debian) 2.2.17 kernel source: # ls -l /usr/src/linux/drivers/sound/nm* -rw-r--r-- 1 1026 telnetd 7796 Jan 4 2000 /usr/src/linux/drivers/sound/nm256.h -rw-r--r-- 1 1026 telnetd 43543 Jan 4 2000 /usr/src/linux/drivers/sound/nm256_audio.c -rw-r--r-- 1 1026 telnetd 310436 Jan 4 2000 /usr/src/linux/drivers/sound/nm256_coeff.h I don't know why it wouldn't be in Suse 2.2.16. But from /usr/src/linux/Documentation/sound/NM256, it looks like the homepage for that driver is http://www.uglx.org/sony.html. So if nothing else you should be able to download it there, though if I were you I probably just go ahead and download the whole source for either 2.2.18 or 2.4.1. -- Jim Crumley | crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Thu Feb 15 16:30:08 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Look up VMS on Google. That's only 'cause I don't know what happened to DECUS or what how active they were in the TC... Bet David Dyer-Bennet knows. Phil M On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, Chris Opp wrote: > > > Ok ok I know that this is a Linux users group and everything, but does > anyone know of any VMS users groups? > > Thanks, > > > Chris > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From KNEWTSON at prodigy.net Thu Feb 15 17:07:31 2001 From: KNEWTSON at prodigy.net (Stephen B Knewtson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Fwd: Lessig's lecture] References: <3A8BFF6C.1FD922C2@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <000e01c097a4$15af13c0$20c4fd3f@e8fse> Hi, Is this going to be open to the public? I am busy reading his book right now. Stephen ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Hicks To: Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 10:10 Subject: [TCLUG] [Fwd: Lessig's lecture] > > Probably at a bad time for lots of people, but you could go see Larry > Lessig. You might recognize the name from the Microsoft antitrust > trial, or some of the goings-on around DeCSS. > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Lessig's lecture > Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 09:30:19 -0600 > From: "I.T. Student Affairs" > To: Recipient List Suppressed:; > > > Dean E. Thomas Sullivan and the University of Minnesota Law School > Invite you to the Third Annual Horatio Ellsworth Kellar Distinguished > Visitor Lecture featuring Lawrence Lessig, Professor of Law, Stanford > University Law School > > Professor Lessig's lecture is entitled "Innovation & The Net." > > Thursday, February 22, 2001 > 12:15 p.m. > Lockhart Hall (Room 25), Law Center > 229 19th Avenue South > Minneapolis, MN > > Professor Larry Lessig is a leading authority on Internet law in the > country. Professor Lessig's projects include a book on the law of > cyberspace - viewing the law of cyberspace as a type of comparative > constitutional law and exploring the significance of problems that the > regulation of cyberspace might present. In December of 1997, Professor > Lessig was named Special Master of the antitrust dispute between the > United States Department of Justice and Microsoft Corporation by United > States District Court Judge Thomas Penfield Jackson. Professor Lessig > recently joined the faculty at Stanford University Law School. > > > > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Stealing a rhinoceros > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ should not be attempted > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) lightly. > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Thu Feb 15 18:45:35 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] proftpd classes Message-ID: <20010215184535.F5594@real-time.com> Cannot get proftp class to work right. # Classes class tclug limit 50 class rte limit 100 class usa limit 50 class default limit 2 # tclug class class tclug regex .*mn-linux.org # Sistina Software class tclug ip 208.210.145.138/32 # real time class class rte regex .*real-time.com class rte regex .*redchrome.org class rte regex .*wookimus.net # United States class class usa regex .*com class usa regex .*net class usa regex .*org class usa regex .*gov class usa regex .*mil class usa regex .*us ftpwho gives me Service class default - 17 users Service class usa - 2 users If default is limit to 2, how can 17 users get in? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Feb 15 21:29:39 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] PBS Frontline addresses "hacking" Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10948D@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> That show had alot of BS in it though also. I work for CBS Marketwatch, and the guy who got our global.asa file was exaggerating bigtime. We don't store any sensitive info in our global.asa file at all, yet he claimed that since he got it he could change stock prices and do all sorts of things to the stock market. There was no possible way for him to do anything with any of the info contained in that file. Even if it was chocked full of database passwords, he'd still have to be able to get to the database... Maybe that show should verify some of its claims before it aired. Jay -----Original Message----- From: nate@techie.com [mailto:nate@techie.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 8:08 PM To: TCLUG Subject: Re: [TCLUG] [OT] PBS Frontline addresses "hacking" On Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 06:24:06PM -0600, Timothy Wilson wrote: > "Hackers" Interviews with teens, security experts, and law enforcement > officials reveals the insecurities of the Internet. > > Airs tonight at 9:00 on channel 2 and on Wed. at 10:00 on channel 17. I just finished watching it. I flipped over it after Dark Angel and decided to stay on the channel. I thought it was really well done. The piece showed hackers not as criminals but as... well... hackers. I guess I've been working with computers too long because "hacker" is one of those words that just is. Frontline explained how easy it is to get scripts and who script kiddies are. They also showed off DefCon and some of the heavy thinking that goes on there. The program came off saying (to me), "You don't have to like these kids, but you have to admit that they're right." Anyway, I would recommend watching the program if you missed it. Nate _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dd-b at dd-b.net Thu Feb 15 22:49:23 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Next TCLUG Installfest Announcement In-Reply-To: <3A8BEDDA.B9D8EC38@maddog.mn-linux.org> References: <3A8BEDDA.B9D8EC38@maddog.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: Clay Fandre writes: > This is the official Announcement for the TCLUG Installfest. Would showing up just to meet some other area Linux enthusiasts be reasonable, or is it likely to be so crowded and/or busy that doing so would be distracting from the basic purpose of the meeting (that being, as I understand it, to help people get Linux installed on their systems)? (Not that I'm sure I can, but I thought I'd ask the general question to file away even if I can't make this one). -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From dd-b at dd-b.net Thu Feb 15 22:51:02 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] installing a system with LVM In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Timothy Wilson writes: > This will be my first "real" server install that will be providing Internet > services on a large scale. I really want to do things right. > > I think I'd like to give LVM a try on this beast. I don't know anything about LVM; this isn't a slam at LVM. But I see a problem with "real server install", "do things right", and "give LVM try" in connection with the SAME server. You shouldn't be "giving things a try" on a critical production server that you want to do right. -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From dd-b at dd-b.net Thu Feb 15 22:52:08 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Philip C Mendelsohn writes: > Look up VMS on Google. That's only 'cause I don't know what happened to > DECUS or what how active they were in the TC... > > Bet David Dyer-Bennet knows. Sorry; moved from DEC to embedded systems, unix, and desktop systems back in '85 and haven't kept in touch out here. I still know a number of the engineers I worked with back east, but that hardly helps in this case. -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From wilson at visi.com Thu Feb 15 23:16:12 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] installing a system with LVM In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 15 Feb 2001, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > Timothy Wilson writes: > > > This will be my first "real" server install that will be providing Internet > > services on a large scale. I really want to do things right. > > > > I think I'd like to give LVM a try on this beast. > > I don't know anything about LVM; this isn't a slam at LVM. But I see > a problem with "real server install", "do things right", and "give LVM > try" in connection with the SAME server. You shouldn't be "giving > things a try" on a critical production server that you want to do > right. I was kidding a bit. I maintain several Web and file servers now, but this will be the first server that cost more than both of my cars are worth put together. :-) My hope is that we're reaching a critical mass of sorts in our school district and use of the Web resources that have been developed so far will really grow over the next few months. In general, I'd say that many of us who aren't professional sysadmins worry a bit when undertaking large projects. Like many other hobbyists or amateurs, I'm essentially a team of one when it comes to taking care of this machine. The TCLUG has been an invaluable resource for me whenever I've stuck my neck out in the past and I'll continue to count on the advice of the list in the future. Besides, I know that for free beer I could probably have any number of the pros on the list over to help me out in person in a matter of minutes. :-) -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Feb 15 23:53:56 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] installing a system with LVM In-Reply-To: ; from wilson@visi.com on Thu, Feb 15, 2001 at 11:16:12PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20010215235356.C737@minime.sistina.com> On Thu, Feb 15, 2001 at 11:16:12PM -0600, Timothy Wilson wrote: >On 15 Feb 2001, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > >> try" in connection with the SAME server. You shouldn't be "giving >> things a try" on a critical production server that you want to do >> right. Hell, I work for sistina (the people who write LVM and I'll tell you explicitly TEST first, Production later. I test everything we write before I use it in production. All our web, ftp, and cvs is up on GFS and we also have several disks joined together with LVM holding some other precious stuff at work and I tested it all before I emplyed it in production. I am now testing another GFS setup with two machines sharing a parallel SCSI RAID array, one doing NFS and another doin (shudder) Samba. and it's mounted by several workstations doing fairly heavy IO right now. it'll go like this for a couple weeks with varying levels of IO and IP blasts before I'll certify it with the Sistina Seal (image of a baby sea otter with a rock banging on a disk drive :-) of approval. Tim, if you wanna test it, do NOT hesitate to call on Sistina for help either officially (for cash) or unofficially (on the mailing lists and IRC) we'd be glad to help, we fully support hackers and business partners alike. Good luck and join our mailing lists http://www.sistina.com/mailman/listinfo they're hosted right here in Dinkytown. > >I was kidding a bit. I maintain several Web and file servers now, but this >will be the first server that cost more than both of my cars are worth put >together. :-) My hope is that we're reaching a critical mass of sorts in our >school district and use of the Web resources that have been developed so far >will really grow over the next few months. > >In general, I'd say that many of us who aren't professional sysadmins worry >a bit when undertaking large projects. Like many other hobbyists or >amateurs, I'm essentially a team of one when it comes to taking care of this >machine. The TCLUG has been an invaluable resource for me whenever >I've stuck my neck out in the past and I'll continue to count on the advice >of the list in the future. Besides, I know that for free beer I could >probably have any number of the pros on the list over to help me out in >person in a matter of minutes. :-) > >-Tim > >-- >Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: >Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ >W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ >wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ http://totl.net/Dating/info.php3?id=2285 <-- Computer Dating!! Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(Not that I'm sure I can, but I thought I'd ask the general > question to file away even if I can't make this one). The Installfest is not only a place to get Linux installed, but also a place to meet other members, see what others are doing with Linux and share any knowledge you have. The actual room where the installfest is held might be a little crowded, but there is a reception area right next to it with a pop machine that only charges $25. Can't beat that. But please register first even if you just want to stop by. http://www.mn-linux.org/installfest/registration.php From wilson at visi.com Fri Feb 16 07:27:32 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Next TCLUG Installfest Announcement In-Reply-To: <3A8D2650.9652C9D6@fandre.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 16 Feb 2001, Clay Fandre wrote: > The Installfest is not only a place to get Linux installed, but also a > place to meet other members, see what others are doing with Linux and > share any knowledge you have. The actual room where the installfest is > held might be a little crowded, but there is a reception area right next > to it with a pop machine that only charges $25. Can't beat that. But ^ ^ Oh what a difference a couple orders of magnitude make. :-) It's actually $0.25. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ From clay at fandre.com Fri Feb 16 08:33:40 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Next TCLUG Installfest Announcement References: Message-ID: <3A8D3A44.1FB6874B@fandre.com> Timothy Wilson wrote: > ^ > Oh what a difference a couple orders of magnitude make. :-) It's actually > $0.25. > > -Tim Thanks a lot Tim. I was trying to make a profit here. He's right. Only a quarter. From tanner at real-time.com Fri Feb 16 11:44:41 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Next TCLUG Installfest Announcement In-Reply-To: <3A8D2650.9652C9D6@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 07:08:32AM -0600 References: <3A8BEDDA.B9D8EC38@maddog.mn-linux.org> <3A8D2650.9652C9D6@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20010216114441.A2379@real-time.com> Quoting Clay Fandre (clay@fandre.com): > The Installfest is not only a place to get Linux installed, but also a > place to meet other members, see what others are doing with Linux and > share any knowledge you have. The actual room where the installfest is > held might be a little crowded, but there is a reception area right next > to it with a pop machine that only charges $25. Can't beat that. But > please register first even if you just want to stop by. > http://www.mn-linux.org/installfest/registration.php $25 dollars for 1 can of pop! Man, what a rip-off! Now, $0.25 would be a deal. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jacque at fruitioninc.com Fri Feb 16 11:58:03 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMWare workstation and VMWare express Message-ID: Anyone on the list successfully using vmware workstation or vmware express? What's really the difference (besides the price)? Is it easy to use or is it still kinda "clunky". I've got a dell insprion 5000e, I would like to run debian on it, but I need to have dreamweaver, flash and all my adobe apps available. My last laptop barely met the min requirments for vmware so I didn't even bother. Now it seems more viable. Jacque From fertch at mninter.net Fri Feb 16 12:14:38 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Next TCLUG Installfest Announcement References: <3A8BEDDA.B9D8EC38@maddog.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <3A8D6E0E.31402018@mninter.net> I've never been to an install fest, I just registered for it a couple of minutes ago. So I'm kind of anxious on this, as I've never been able to make it to a meeting before. I'm usually swamped Saturday mornings with other activities. At the installfest, will there be internet connections or no? Reason why I'm wondering is that what I want to do, is put Slackware 7.1 (or higher) on my system. If a new release of Slackware isn't out at the time, I'd like to put the 2.4 kernel on as well. Will it be available for download or would burning it to a cd be better prior to coming in? Thanks. From bastleford at platinumdg.com Fri Feb 16 12:10:06 2001 From: bastleford at platinumdg.com (Brett Astleford) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sql Message-ID: <020501c09843$b0dc1ce0$2d01a8c0@platinumpersonals.com> I know this really isn't a admin thing, but I need help with a sql statement. Mandrake 7.0 MySQL 3.23 CREATE TABLE tblBlah ( blahId integer NOT NULL PRIMARY KEY AUTO_INCREMENT, dateOf date Default sysdate() ); I basically want mysql to input the current date when I enter table data... I can't get sysdate to output the current date, i've changed the the data type, i've used curdate() and other mysql date functions...any ideas? Brett Astleford Platinum Design Group From dkleist at acm.org Fri Feb 16 12:31:49 2001 From: dkleist at acm.org (Dave Kleist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sql In-Reply-To: <020501c09843$b0dc1ce0$2d01a8c0@platinumpersonals.com>; from bastleford@platinumdg.com on Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 12:10:06 -0600 References: <020501c09843$b0dc1ce0$2d01a8c0@platinumpersonals.com> Message-ID: <20010216123149.A2404@coder> Sysdate (a synonym of Now()) returns a datetime string. You may want to try changing dateOf to be datetime. Also, you may want to look at data type Timestamp: it may do what you want (it does change on both an insert and update function to current date/time - no default needs to be supplied). HTH, - Dave On 2001.02.16 12:10:06 -0600 Brett Astleford wrote: > I know this really isn't a admin thing, but I need help with a sql > statement.. > > > Mandrake 7.0 > MySQL 3.23 > > > CREATE TABLE tblBlah ( > blahId integer NOT NULL PRIMARY KEY AUTO_INCREMENT, > dateOf date Default sysdate() > > ); > > I basically want mysql to input the current date when I enter table > data... > I can't get sysdate to output the current date, i've changed the the data > type, i've used curdate() and other mysql date functions...any ideas? > > Brett Astleford > Platinum Design Group > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Dave Kleist dkleist@acm.org "The covers of this book are too far apart." - Ambrose Bierce From tanner at real-time.com Fri Feb 16 12:25:06 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Next TCLUG Installfest Announcement In-Reply-To: <3A8D6E0E.31402018@mninter.net>; from fertch@mninter.net on Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 12:14:38PM -0600 References: <3A8BEDDA.B9D8EC38@maddog.mn-linux.org> <3A8D6E0E.31402018@mninter.net> Message-ID: <20010216122506.C3131@real-time.com> Quoting Shawn Fertch (fertch@mninter.net): > I've never been to an install fest, I just registered for it a couple of > minutes ago. So I'm kind of anxious on this, as I've never been able to > make it to a meeting before. I'm usually swamped Saturday mornings with > other activities. > > At the installfest, will there be internet connections or no? Reason > why I'm wondering is that what I want to do, is put Slackware 7.1 (or > higher) on my system. If a new release of Slackware isn't out at the > time, I'd like to put the 2.4 kernel on as well. Will it be available > for download or would burning it to a cd be better prior to coming in? > > > Thanks. If it's out we will have it. I bring the complete machine ftp.mn-linux.org to the install fest. Since we mirror the 3 major distros daily we will have it. Excuse the typos, I'm on a heavy used link right now and just typing blindly. :-) -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com Fri Feb 16 12:24:18 2001 From: JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com (Miller, John) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Next TCLUG Installfest Announcement Message-ID: This will be my second installfest. There are a varity of flavors that people bring. At the last one you could "buy" (cost of cd) a flavor of linux. I got RH7.0 for two different people last time. I would not worry about having to bring a cd with Slackware on it. In regards to internet connection. There was one there last time. I would think they would have one again. John Miller Dain Rauscher Inc. Application Services IS Capital Markets Phone 612-547-7573 Fax 612-547-7580 -----Original Message----- From: Shawn Fertch [mailto:fertch@mninter.net] Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 12:15 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Next TCLUG Installfest Announcement I've never been to an install fest, I just registered for it a couple of minutes ago. So I'm kind of anxious on this, as I've never been able to make it to a meeting before. I'm usually swamped Saturday mornings with other activities. At the installfest, will there be internet connections or no? Reason why I'm wondering is that what I want to do, is put Slackware 7.1 (or higher) on my system. If a new release of Slackware isn't out at the time, I'd like to put the 2.4 kernel on as well. Will it be available for download or would burning it to a cd be better prior to coming in? Thanks. _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From andyzb at ltiflex.com Fri Feb 16 12:38:47 2001 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMWare workstation and VMWare express References: Message-ID: <3A8D73B7.2050002@ltiflex.com> Jacqueline Urick wrote: > Anyone on the list successfully using vmware workstation or vmware > express? What's really the difference (besides the price)? Is it easy > to use or is it still kinda "clunky". > > I've got a dell insprion 5000e, I would like to run debian on it, but I > need to have dreamweaver, flash and all my adobe apps available. My > last laptop barely met the min requirments for vmware so I didn't even > bother. Now it seems more viable. I run VMWare Workstation on a 1GHZ PIII w/ 256mb RAM. It runs Windows 2000 rather nicely. I also run it on an Athlon 700 w/ 256mb RAM. The all SCSI configuration keeps performance on par with the PIII. The big limitation is DirectX. It just really isn't there, so don't bother with games. I run Office 2000, IE, etc. without problems. If you really want I can test Dreamweaver for you I suppose. In any case, I can't see running VMWare with less than 256mb of RAM. I used to run it with 128 on the Athlon and the system got pretty bogged down. VMWare Express is VMWare's copmetition for Win4Lin. Win4Lin and VMWare Express only support Windows 95 and Windows 98. VMWare Workstation supports DOS, Windows 3.1, Win95, Win98, NT4, Windows 2000, Linux, FreeBSD, and has an Other option for any other OS that will run on x86. I've heard that Win4Lin performs better than VMWare, but I haven't gotten arount to trying the demo, plus I need NT and 2000. Win4Lin might be OK for home though. :) -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com Fri Feb 16 12:56:25 2001 From: RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Next TCLUG Installfest Announcement Message-ID: <8794B3B640FED2118D8600C00D0020A593F126@ipserver2.interplastic.com> Must be pop from Redmond. > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Tanner [SMTP:tanner@real-time.com] > Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 11:45 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Next TCLUG Installfest > Announcement > > Quoting Clay Fandre (clay@fandre.com): > > The Installfest is not only a place to get Linux installed, but also a > > place to meet other members, see what others are doing with Linux and > > share any knowledge you have. The actual room where the installfest is > > held might be a little crowded, but there is a reception area right next > > to it with a pop machine that only charges $25. Can't beat that. But > > please register first even if you just want to stop by. > > http://www.mn-linux.org/installfest/registration.php > > $25 dollars for 1 can of pop! Man, what a rip-off! Now, $0.25 would be a > deal. > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > > From spencer at sihope.com Fri Feb 16 07:06:01 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (Spencer Underground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Next TCLUG Installfest Announcement Message-ID: <000e01c09819$3ac383b0$0400000a@toughguy.autonomous.tv> " I have no doubt that it is part of the destiny of the human race in its gradual development to leave off the eating of animals, as surely as the savage tribes have left off eating each other when they came in contact with the more civilized." Henry David Thoreau To the pizza buyers consortium: Please make sure and add meatless pizza to the order list. Thanks. the animals. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It also sits on top of linux so there are no other partitoins to contend with or anything. The installation was automatic on RH and Suse (Debian is supported but it might be a little more work). Basically you have to build a small kernel patch and module. I run office 2000 and Dreamweaver on it wihtout any problem. It also comes in handy for those "broken" websites. I gave the 30 day test drive a whirl and had blown away my windows partition before it had expired. One potential problem for a production envireonment, it doesn't speak the microsoft networking language, so you can't use it for SMB mounts. You can however use linux to mount the windows (or hopefully samba) shares into a directory that Windows can see. Another neat feature I found useful is that I can give the VM access to the parallel port and talk to things directly, whether configured in Linux or not. Charlie From andyzb at ltiflex.com Fri Feb 16 15:59:04 2001 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMWare workstation and VMWare express References: Message-ID: <3A8DA2A8.749C1810@ltiflex.com> > One potential problem for a production envireonment, it doesn't speak the > microsoft networking language, so you can't use it for SMB mounts. You > can however use linux to mount the windows (or hopefully samba) shares > into a directory that Windows can see. I'm slightly confused. You're saying that you can't mount windows shares in VM, but that if you mount them through Linux the VM can see them? EWWWWWWWWWWWWW! That really sucks. VMWare doesn't have such limitations. The Windows VMWare clients work fine for sharing files and mapping network driver. I've even had both NT and Windows 2000 domain controllers as well as Citrix terminal servers working under VMWare. VMWare is an excellent testbed. (Undoable disks are quite useful.) As far as partitioning goes, you get a few options with VMWare. A virtual disk is a file on the host file system that appears as a physical disk drive to a guest operating system. The file system can be on the host machine or on a remote computer. When you configure a virtual machine with a virtual disk, you can install a new operating system onto the disk file without the need to repartition a physical disk or reboot the host. Virtual disks are limited to a maximum of 2GB. The actual file used by the virtual disk starts out small and grows to the maximum size as needed. A plain disk is like a virtual disk, but it can be larger than 2GB. It is composed of several files, called extents. Each extent is limited to 2GB in length. Unlike a virtual disk, when a plain disk is created, all the disk space defined for the extents is allocated and filled with zeros. A raw disk directly accesses an existing local disk or partition. Raw disks can be used to allow VMware to run one or more guest operating systems from existing disk partitions. Raw disks may be set up on both IDE and SCSI devices. At this time, however, booting from an operating system already set up on an existing SCSI disk or partition is experimental. On top of that, you get a few different modes you can throw these disks into. Persistent: Same as using an actual disk. Changes are written as you go. Can be used with all above disk types (Vitural, plain, Raw) Nonpersistent: Changes to nonpersistent disks are not saved during the VMware session and are lost at the end of the session (that is, when the virtual machine is powered off or reset). Undoable: Similar to Nonpersistent, but when you poweroff you can choose to commit or discard the changes. VERY useful for testing software installs and the like. > Another neat feature I found useful is that I can give the VM access to > the parallel port and talk to things directly, whether configured in > Linux or not. In VMWare you can configure the VM to give access to hardware that you have configured. (Paralell and Serial ports.) You should be able to install your printer (even those darn winprinters) or palm pilot drivers under VMWare and get them working (haven't tried this myself, been using network printing for some time now, even at home.) Though if you can browse the web I can't imagine why you can't get SMB shares working. Even the Win4Lin site states that it Supports Windows TCP/IP networking, so everything should work. You may need to find the registry hack to make Windows use plaintext passwords to access samba shares (or change security to share in smb.conf, or make your samba server part of the NT/2000 domain and bypass the issue all together) In the end: If you need development/test enviorment or support for something besides Win9x you're stuck with VMWare Workstation. If you just need 9x and fully functional networking, you'll be ok with VMWare Express. If your resources are limited, sounds like Win4Lin is your best bet. (Though it might have a few network quirks.) Anyone played with plex86 to see how functional it is/isn't? -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: andyzb.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 367 bytes Desc: Card for Andy Zbikowski Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010216/33975698/andyzb.vcf From drew at usfamily.net Fri Feb 16 18:21:36 2001 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ahhhh....hhhhhh References: <3A8DA2A8.749C1810@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <007f01c09877$976ce440$709a0ace@ancor.com> Well I thought that the change would be kind of cool so I downloaded version 6.0 of netscape and installed it on my Linux system. However after I installed I realised that it worked so slow on my machine that it made me want to kill my self. Anyway now I need your help in getting if off my machine and getting the good old 4.6 installed back. First I tried just reinstalling the 4.6 RPM but it told me that it was allready installed, so I tried removing it, and it told me that it was not installed, now I'm going crazy and am forced to unecessarily use windows to send this email. All the help would be appreciated. ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ From wilson at visi.com Fri Feb 16 16:35:23 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ahhhh....hhhhhh In-Reply-To: <007f01c09877$976ce440$709a0ace@ancor.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 16 Feb 2001, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > Well I thought that the change would be kind of cool so I downloaded version > 6.0 of netscape and installed it on my Linux system. However after I > installed I realised that it worked so slow on my machine that it made me > want to kill my self. Oh don't do that. It's not worth it. > Anyway now I need your help in getting if off my > machine and getting the good old 4.6 installed back. Did you actually uninstall 4.x? I discovered (thanks to Bob's suggestion) that if you've got mozilla running, starting Navigator will simply open another Mozilla window. Once Mozilla was closed Navigator opens with no trouble. That said, I would grab Mozilla 0.8 from mozilla.org. I've been running the dailies for a couple months now, and 0.8 seems quite good. Don't give up on it yet. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ From andyzb at ltiflex.com Fri Feb 16 16:35:30 2001 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ahhhh....hhhhhh References: <3A8DA2A8.749C1810@ltiflex.com> <007f01c09877$976ce440$709a0ace@ancor.com> Message-ID: <3A8DAB32.1D81A5E7@ltiflex.com> 1) How did you install Netscape 6? Did you just grab the installer and install it to /usr/local or /opt? 2) Check your path for netscape, and see where it points. Commands like which netscape, locate netscape, ls -l netscape, etc. should give you some cluse are to where you netscape biniaries are. 3) If you're using GNOME and clicking on the Netscape icon, be aware that it runs a shell script name gnome-moz-remote that seems to like running Mozilla (or Netscape 6) first if it should find them installed. Then it will try the older versions. 4) rm -rf /usr/local/netscape 5) Get the Netscape RPMs from redhat.com (or your CDs) and install them again. 6) Pay attention next time, if you do things right Netscape 6, Mozilla, and Communicatior can co-exisit on your system. Just make sure you know what commands to run. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: andyzb.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 367 bytes Desc: Card for Andy Zbikowski Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010216/096d4590/andyzb.vcf From duncan at sodatrain.com Fri Feb 16 16:48:01 2001 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ahhhh....hhhhhh In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Vote yes for Mozilla 0.8 I too have been frustrated with netscape 6.0 and there has been one more release... it may be 6.1 beta or 6.01 beta.... I grabbed mozilla 0.8 today, and it has ran perfectly all day, its quicker that netsacpe 6.0, and doest flake out like 6.0 does. Mozilla now has the mail client (as well as composer and address book) duncan On Fri, 16 Feb 2001, Timothy Wilson wrote: > On Fri, 16 Feb 2001, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > > > Well I thought that the change would be kind of cool so I downloaded version > > 6.0 of netscape and installed it on my Linux system. However after I > > installed I realised that it worked so slow on my machine that it made me > > want to kill my self. > > Oh don't do that. It's not worth it. > > > Anyway now I need your help in getting if off my > > machine and getting the good old 4.6 installed back. > > Did you actually uninstall 4.x? I discovered (thanks to Bob's > suggestion) that if you've got mozilla running, starting Navigator will > simply open another Mozilla window. Once Mozilla was closed Navigator opens > with no trouble. > > That said, I would grab Mozilla 0.8 from mozilla.org. I've been running the > dailies for a couple months now, and 0.8 seems quite good. Don't give up on > it yet. > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- || || || || || || duncan shannon .-. duncan@sodatrain.com /v\ // \\ /( )\ L I N U X ^^-^^ >Phear the Penguin< From jacque at fruitioninc.com Fri Feb 16 16:40:20 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMWare workstation and VMWare express In-Reply-To: <3A8DA2A8.749C1810@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: > I'm slightly confused. You're saying that you can't mount windows > shares in > VM, but that if you mount them through Linux the VM can see them? > EWWWWWWWWWWWWW! That really sucks. VMWare doesn't have such > limitations. The > Windows VMWare clients work fine for sharing files and mapping network > driver. I've even had both NT and Windows 2000 domain controllers > as well as > Citrix terminal servers working under VMWare. VMWare is an excellent > testbed. (Undoable disks are quite useful.) > > As far as partitioning goes, you get a few options with VMWare. > > A virtual disk is a file on the host file system that appears as > a physical > disk drive to a guest operating system. The file system can be on the host > machine or on a remote computer. When you configure a virtual > machine with a > In the end: > If you need development/test enviorment or support for something besides > Win9x you're stuck with VMWare Workstation. If you just need 9x and fully > functional networking, you'll be ok with VMWare Express. If your resources > are limited, sounds like Win4Lin is your best bet. (Though it might have a > few network quirks.) I'm thinking that I might just nix the whole vmware idea. I'm running win2k, and I still want to be able to play games. I'm certainly not going to go throught $300 and a bunch of hassle for less options. I guess I'll just stick with win2k and cgywin on this machine and keep my other laptop for debian. ~j From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu Fri Feb 16 16:49:48 2001 From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DISKS Message-ID: <010216164948.20323ef7@dcmir.med.umn.edu> Hi I'm hoping someone can explain this. Or, at least why it won't work. I have a P3 running RH6.2 and NT4.0sp5 with a 250M zip drive. Since a mac will read a pc disk, I'd like to have the zip disks readable by it also. I took a 100M zip disk and used fdisk to create a partition (#1 -- it chooses Linux type partitions). I then used mkfs to create a vfat filesystem (that way, I'm hoping there wouldn't be any issues with UID's). Linux will put a file on the disk and read it. Winders will also read the file, but the mac doesn't see it. The mac can write a file to it, and read it back, but back on Linux those files are gone (go back to the mac and they're still there) and the original file that was written to it is still there and readable. Would someone please explain what's going on here and whether I can do what it seems to me I ought to be able to do? Thanks Ed Hoeffner 1-271 BSBE 312 Church St. SE Mpls, MN 55455 hoeffner@dcmir.med.umn.edu 612-625-2115 612-625-2163 fax From drew at usfamily.net Fri Feb 16 18:49:31 2001 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ahhhh....hhhhhh References: <3A8DA2A8.749C1810@ltiflex.com> <007f01c09877$976ce440$709a0ace@ancor.com> <3A8DAB32.1D81A5E7@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <008d01c0987b$7d79af60$709a0ace@ancor.com> > 1) How did you install Netscape 6? Did you just grab the installer and > install it to /usr/local or /opt? Yes > 2) Check your path for netscape, and see where it points. Commands like > which netscape, locate netscape, ls -l netscape, etc. should give you some > cluse are to where you netscape biniaries are. my path is /usr/bin/netscape > 3) If you're using GNOME and clicking on the Netscape icon, be aware that it > runs a shell script name gnome-moz-remote that seems to like running Mozilla > (or Netscape 6) first if it should find them installed. Then it will try the > older versions Well at first I did try pressing the button and the machine would crunch away but nothing would happen, so I changed the command line to run netscape right from the path and it does work. . > 4) rm -rf /usr/local/netscape > 5) Get the Netscape RPMs from redhat.com (or your CDs) and install them > again. I tried it but it says that its allready installed > 6) Pay attention next time, if you do things right Netscape 6, Mozilla, and > Communicatior can co-exisit on your system. Just make sure you know what > commands to run. I can get Netscape Communicator 6 to run but its slllloooowwwww. > > -- > Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com > LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 > 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 > Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ From sgrobe at mn.rr.com Fri Feb 16 17:16:49 2001 From: sgrobe at mn.rr.com (Steve Grobe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MSI motherboards Message-ID: <3A8DB4E1.8C1577DB@mn.rr.com> Linuxians, I am thinking about building a new dual PIII system but before I go out and spend some money I was wondering if anyone had experience with the MSI 694D Pro AR motherboard, or MSI products in general. I have had good luck with Abit boards (BP6) in the past and I am wondering if MSI is as reliable. (Abit has a dual board available but not through a local source.) I figure if I use some parts I already have I can build a dual PIII 1GHz system for about $1000. Sweet. (Then I can really hammer out some seti work units. :-) SG, O.S.D. -- When you consider who I am, I am doing pretty good. From cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu Fri Feb 16 18:09:34 2001 From: cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu (Charlie Fulton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMWare workstation and VMWare express References: <3A8DA2A8.749C1810@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <3A8DC13E.7D5E915@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> Andy Zbikowski wrote: > > One potential problem for a production envireonment, it doesn't speak the > > microsoft networking language, so you can't use it for SMB mounts. You > > can however use linux to mount the windows (or hopefully samba) shares > > into a directory that Windows can see. > > I'm slightly confused. You're saying that you can't mount windows shares in > VM, but that if you mount them through Linux the VM can see them? > EWWWWWWWWWWWWW! That really sucks. VMWare doesn't have such limitations. The > Windows VMWare clients work fine for sharing files and mapping network > driver. I've even had both NT and Windows 2000 domain controllers as well as > Citrix terminal servers working under VMWare. VMWare is an excellent > testbed. (Undoable disks are quite useful.) That's basically it, VMWare is much better if you really want to do more than just run some apps. Mine was a cost consideration and since I don't want to do anything but run some "legacy" applications it didn't matter much to me that it doesn't know about MS networking. > A virtual disk is a file on the host file system that appears as a physical > disk drive to a guest operating system. The file system can be on the host > machine or on a remote computer. When you configure a virtual machine with a > virtual disk, you can install a new operating system onto the disk file > without the need to repartition a physical disk or reboot the host. Virtual > disks are limited to a maximum of 2GB. The actual file used by the virtual > disk starts out small and grows to the maximum size as needed. Win4Lin installs a copy of Windows into your home directory along with any other software you install inside windows. It's just a regular directory as far as linux is concerned, and it (and everything in it) is accessible like usual. To windows it's a self contained file system. Permissions and such being mapped by the VM. > In VMWare you can configure the VM to give access to hardware that you have > configured. (Paralell and Serial ports.) You should be able to install your > printer (even those darn winprinters) or palm pilot drivers under VMWare and > get them working (haven't tried this myself, been using network printing for > some time now, even at home.) Win4Lin offers pretty much the same functionality here. I can do all sorts of things to my printer that Linux doesn't. I was wondering if you could get a WinModem to work by some method like this. > Though if you can browse the web I can't imagine why you can't get SMB > shares working. Even the Win4Lin site states that it Supports Windows TCP/IP > networking, so everything should work. You may need to find the registry > hack to make Windows use plaintext passwords to access samba shares (or > change security to share in smb.conf, or make your samba server part of the > NT/2000 domain and bypass the issue all together) I don't know... I haven't tried it seriously. I know it won't do the netbeui but you're right there doesn't seem to be any reason you couldn't get it to work. Maybe it's time to fire up the samba server again and see. Charlie From kbullock at ringworld.org Fri Feb 16 20:16:33 2001 From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin R. Bullock) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DISKS In-Reply-To: <010216164948.20323ef7@dcmir.med.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 16 Feb 2001 HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu wrote: > I took a 100M zip disk and used fdisk to create a partition (#1 -- it chooses > Linux type partitions). I then used mkfs to create a vfat filesystem (that way, > I'm hoping there wouldn't be any issues with UID's). Linux will put a file on > the disk and read it. Winders will also read the file, but the mac doesn't see > it. The mac can write a file to it, and read it back, but back on Linux those > files are gone (go back to the mac and they're still there) and the original > file that was written to it is still there and readable. So the disk has a linux partition type with a vfat filesystem on it? If that's the case, change the partition type to some manner of FAT partition. Mixing filesystems and partition types that don't normally go together generally just confuses the computer. Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa Kevin R. Bullock From tobytoo at black-hole.com Fri Feb 16 20:26:00 2001 From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (b. toberman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MSI motherboards References: <3A8DB4E1.8C1577DB@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <3A8DE138.D251B413@black-hole.com> General Nano should have a dual PIII brd, that's where my roomie got his. Steve Grobe wrote: > Linuxians, > > I am thinking about building a new dual PIII system but before I go out > and spend some money I was wondering if anyone had experience with the > MSI 694D Pro AR motherboard, or MSI products in general. I have had > good luck with Abit boards (BP6) in the past and I am wondering if MSI > is as reliable. (Abit has a dual board available but not through a local > source.) > > I figure if I use some parts I already have I can build a dual PIII 1GHz > system for about $1000. Sweet. (Then I can really hammer out some seti > work units. :-) > > SG, O.S.D. > -- > When you consider who I am, I am doing pretty good. > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jasonj at innominatus.com Sat Feb 17 00:35:05 2001 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MSI motherboards References: <3A8DB4E1.8C1577DB@mn.rr.com> <3A8DE138.D251B413@black-hole.com> Message-ID: <3A8E1B99.34EBD6A0@innominatus.com> I use the dual MSI 694D board. Its a nice board. It has 4 usb ports, 2 firewire ports, 1 cnr slot. I run 2 PIII 850's clocked at 970. I dont use the onboard raid, instead I use an Escalade 6400 with 4 20 gig drives in raid 0. I have 384 meg of ECC ram as well. Works great for linux and windows 2000 dual boot. But if I was looking for a dual board now, I will look real hard at the ASUS model. Then there is always the Abit VP6 (BP6's big brother). And there are some dual offerings from supermicro with the Server Works chipsets for SDRAM and some intel chipsets if you want RDRAM. "b. toberman" wrote: > General Nano should have a dual PIII brd, that's where my roomie got his. > > Steve Grobe wrote: > > > Linuxians, > > > > I am thinking about building a new dual PIII system but before I go out > > and spend some money I was wondering if anyone had experience with the > > MSI 694D Pro AR motherboard, or MSI products in general. I have had > > good luck with Abit boards (BP6) in the past and I am wondering if MSI > > is as reliable. (Abit has a dual board available but not through a local > > source.) > > > > I figure if I use some parts I already have I can build a dual PIII 1GHz > > system for about $1000. Sweet. (Then I can really hammer out some seti > > work units. :-) > > > > SG, O.S.D. > > -- > > When you consider who I am, I am doing pretty good. > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From andyzib at ringworld.org Sat Feb 17 00:49:42 2001 From: andyzib at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMWare workstation and VMWare express References: <3A8DA2A8.749C1810@ltiflex.com> <3A8DC13E.7D5E915@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> Message-ID: <3A8E1F06.A8F2E52E@ringworld.org> > Win4Lin offers pretty much the same functionality here. I can do all sorts of > things to my printer that Linux doesn't. I was wondering if you could get a > WinModem to work by some method like this. Probally not in any fashion that would be useful. If it did work at all you would be limited to using the modem in Windows as linux wouldn't be aware of the TCP/Ip connection. -- | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | | This message is protected by double ROT13 | | encryption. Any attempt to circumvent the | | digital protection is banned by the DMCA. | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: andyzib.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 2268 bytes Desc: Card for Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010217/f3a1267d/andyzib.vcf From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Sat Feb 17 12:37:08 2001 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (Gabe Turner (officer)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MSI motherboards In-Reply-To: <3A8DB4E1.8C1577DB@mn.rr.com>; from sgrobe@mn.rr.com on Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 05:16:49PM -0600 References: <3A8DB4E1.8C1577DB@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <20010217123708.A46038@reality.cs.umn.edu> I have the Dual pIII MSI 694D Pro-AR board. It's really nice. I espacially like MSI's practice of putting little error LEDs on the mobo so you can see when something is wrong. Unfortunately, I can't use the on-board Promise Fasttrack-100. Linux doesn't have support for it, from what I can tell, and the driver for it makes Win2k blue screen on my system (even in safe mode!). I use a 3ware Escalade anyway, but I'd still like to play with the promise controller. I picked mine up at TranMicro for $194, IIRC. A bit expensive, but at least they test it before they give it to you :) Gabe On Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 05:16:49PM -0600, Steve Grobe wrote: > Linuxians, > > I am thinking about building a new dual PIII system but before I go out > and spend some money I was wondering if anyone had experience with the > MSI 694D Pro AR motherboard, or MSI products in general. I have had > good luck with Abit boards (BP6) in the past and I am wondering if MSI > is as reliable. (Abit has a dual board available but not through a local > source.) > > I figure if I use some parts I already have I can build a dual PIII 1GHz > system for about $1000. Sweet. (Then I can really hammer out some seti > work units. :-) > > SG, O.S.D. > -- > When you consider who I am, I am doing pretty good. > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "The fearsome...veecous.....Crocostimpy!! If we leesten real close, we can hear his beauteeful mateeng call!" -- Ren "Happy Happy!! Joy Joy!!" -- Crocostimpy - Ren & Stimpy in "Nature Show" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Sat Feb 17 11:40:03 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NFS shared /usr In-Reply-To: <20010217123708.A46038@reality.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: Hi, I've got a practical question for you network admin types. I can serve and mount NFS things all day long, but have a question about using this power for good instead of evil. If I have say 6 computers, and would like to have one central /usr, does this create problems when one set of software is run on one computer but not another? I.E., I have one respectable machine that does all the big memory intensive / number crunching things and some 486 / Pentium machines that are fine for outlying nodes. Rather than have netscape or mozilla hogging drive space on each machine, I could serve /usr. The hesitation is (this is a Debian network) if I install a package from one machine, what happens to the config files, since each machine (presumably) has its own /etc, /var, ... Or, do you share the drive, install from each machine, then /usr collects everything from everyone, and it doesn't matter if you overwrite something with the same thing. (I *shudder* at the kludgy nature of this!) Any tips on sharing /usr, /home, and integrating with NIS would be appreciated. I haven't found TFM to R yet. Thanx, Phil -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From clay at fandre.com Sat Feb 17 15:03:00 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NFS shared /usr In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200102172113.PAA06222@carter.matrix.comp> On 17 Feb 2001 11:40:03 -0600, Philip C Mendelsohn wrote: > Hi, > > I've got a practical question for you network admin types. > > I can serve and mount NFS things all day long, but have a question about > using this power for good instead of evil. > > If I have say 6 computers, and would like to have one central /usr, does > this create problems when one set of software is run on one computer but > not another? > > I.E., I have one respectable machine that does all the big memory > intensive / number crunching things and some 486 / Pentium machines that > are fine for outlying nodes. Rather than have netscape or mozilla hogging > drive space on each machine, I could serve /usr. The hesitation is (this > is a Debian network) if I install a package from one machine, what happens > to the config files, since each machine (presumably) has its own /etc, > /var, ... > > Or, do you share the drive, install from each machine, then /usr collects > everything from everyone, and it doesn't matter if you overwrite something > with the same thing. (I *shudder* at the kludgy nature of this!) > > Any tips on sharing /usr, /home, and integrating with NIS would be > appreciated. I haven't found TFM to R yet. > First of all, lets hope this works because this is my first message from evolution. We'll see if it works or not. As for sharing nfs filesystems for applications, that's a perfect idea. But here are a few suggestions: - Don't use /usr on the client systems. Use something like /usr/local or /opt/local or /apps. This will keep local packages seperate from NFS-mounted applications. - On the NFS server you can export /usr, but I'd suggest exporting /usr/local instead. Then install any applications you want to share in /usr/local. (or whatever you export) But this will make it harder to use packages (rpm, deb) because they all want to go in /usr. If you really want to use packages, you should use /usr on the server, and then mount it as /usr/local on the client. - Make the exported directories READ-ONLY. This will save you a lot of grief. There is no need to the application directories to be R/W. (but of course /home will need to be R/W.) - Make your beefier machine the client. NFS fileserving isn't that intensive, so I'd put the power with the application. (But then you have disk-I/O to consider...) Hope this helps. Clay From jasonj at innominatus.com Sat Feb 17 15:36:27 2001 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MSI motherboards References: <3A8DB4E1.8C1577DB@mn.rr.com> <20010217123708.A46038@reality.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3A8EEEDB.14FC99E@innominatus.com> We are using a Fasttrak with redhat 6.2 at work. It is running nicely. They are beta drivers, but our box has been up for several weeks now with out errors. Its an Ultra66 that I converted to a Fasttrak 66, but I think the drivers also work with Fasttrak 100. I used the same card for about 7 months with win98 as well. Gabe, have you ever had any problems with your escalade? This is my second one. I have been getting oddities that I hope is not coming from my escalade 6400. I keep getting scsi contoller drive 0 timeouts that halt the whole box. This happens at random intervals of uptime. I moved all data to one large drive, recreated the array with a new first drive and move the data back, and I still get the error. This is W2k and I am running the latest bios and drivers. I havent see the error in linux yet, but I may not have left it on long enough to see it. Also if I use Power Quest Drive copy to copy data to the array its really really slow! Less than 10 mb/min. When I copy data off the array to a single drive, I get 100mb/min or better. Could be nothing, but just wondering if anyone noticed odd things with escalade's Then I am also debating on a SCSI raid controller for a linux server. Do I go with a cheaper mylex or do I spring for the expensive ICP Vortex? thanks for any feedback "Gabe Turner (officer)" wrote: > I have the Dual pIII MSI 694D Pro-AR board. It's really nice. I > espacially like MSI's practice of putting little error LEDs on the mobo so > you can see when something is wrong. Unfortunately, I can't use the > on-board Promise Fasttrack-100. Linux doesn't have support for it, from > what I can tell, and the driver for it makes Win2k blue screen on my system > (even in safe mode!). I use a 3ware Escalade anyway, but I'd still like > to play with the promise controller. I picked mine up at TranMicro for > $194, IIRC. A bit expensive, but at least they test it before they give it > to you :) > > Gabe > > On Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 05:16:49PM -0600, Steve Grobe wrote: > > Linuxians, > > > > I am thinking about building a new dual PIII system but before I go out > > and spend some money I was wondering if anyone had experience with the > > MSI 694D Pro AR motherboard, or MSI products in general. I have had > > good luck with Abit boards (BP6) in the past and I am wondering if MSI > > is as reliable. (Abit has a dual board available but not through a local > > source.) > > > > I figure if I use some parts I already have I can build a dual PIII 1GHz > > system for about $1000. Sweet. (Then I can really hammer out some seti > > work units. :-) > > > > SG, O.S.D. > > -- > > When you consider who I am, I am doing pretty good. > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Gabe Turner | X-President, > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > "The fearsome...veecous.....Crocostimpy!! If we leesten real close, > we can hear his beauteeful mateeng call!" -- Ren > "Happy Happy!! Joy Joy!!" -- Crocostimpy > - Ren & Stimpy in "Nature Show" > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Sat Feb 17 18:19:55 2001 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (Gabe Turner (officer)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MSI motherboards In-Reply-To: <3A8EEEDB.14FC99E@innominatus.com>; from jasonj@innominatus.com on Sat, Feb 17, 2001 at 03:36:27PM -0600 References: <3A8DB4E1.8C1577DB@mn.rr.com> <20010217123708.A46038@reality.cs.umn.edu> <3A8EEEDB.14FC99E@innominatus.com> Message-ID: <20010217181955.B46038@reality.cs.umn.edu> On Sat, Feb 17, 2001 at 03:36:27PM -0600, Jason J wrote: > We are using a Fasttrak with redhat 6.2 at work. It is running nicely. They are beta > drivers, but our box has been up for several weeks now with out errors. Its an > Ultra66 that I converted to a Fasttrak 66, but I think the drivers also work with > Fasttrak 100. I used the same card for about 7 months with win98 as well. Hmm.. I'll have to give it a shot. I've been meaning to see if the Win98 drivers will work, since the Win2k don't. > > Gabe, have you ever had any problems with your escalade? This is my second one. I > have been getting oddities that I hope is not coming from my escalade 6400. I keep > getting scsi contoller drive 0 timeouts that halt the whole box. This happens at > random intervals of uptime. I moved all data to one large drive, recreated the array > with a new first drive and move the data back, and I still get the error. This is > W2k and I am running the latest bios and drivers. I havent see the error in linux > yet, but I may not have left it on long enough to see it. Also if I use Power Quest > Drive copy to copy data to the array its really really slow! Less than 10 mb/min. > When I copy data off the array to a single drive, I get 100mb/min or better. > > Could be nothing, but just wondering if anyone noticed odd things with escalade's Weird. So, you only get the errors when copying from a drive to the Escalade, or vice-versa? I guess I won't see that since I only have the Escalade in my system :) Maybe it's something to do with your RAID level? What level are you using? I've only used RAID 0 on my Escalade so far. Next week, I'll probably try 0+1. > > Then I am also debating on a SCSI raid controller for a linux server. Do I go with a > cheaper mylex or do I spring for the expensive ICP Vortex? > Personally, on production systems, I prefer to go with any ol' SCSI controller and attach an external RAID (w/ controller(s)). It makes managing it much easier. If you have to go with a PCI RAID controller, ask yourself if this is a production system or not. If not, I'd go with an Escalade. Unless of course you need RAID 4 or 5. My $.02. Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "My collection of rare, eencurebale diseases! Violated!" - Ren Hoek in "Sven Hoek" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jasonj at innominatus.com Sat Feb 17 17:16:33 2001 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Escalade 6000 series now with RAID 5!! Message-ID: <3A8F0651.D6ADB9D7@innominatus.com> Escalade 6000 series now with RAID 5!! http://www.3ware.com/news/ataraid.shtml Looks like its just a firmware download away for us who already have Escalade 6000's. I am going to go try it right now! Hopefully this may fix some of my other weird problems too (probably not). Go get'em Gabe! From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Sun Feb 18 14:03:36 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NFS shared /usr In-Reply-To: <200102172113.PAA06222@carter.matrix.comp> Message-ID: On 17 Feb 2001, Clay Fandre wrote: > First of all, lets hope this works because this is my first message from > evolution. We'll see if it works or not. It seems to have worked just dandy. I can even read it in PINE. > But here are a few suggestions: > - Don't use /usr on the client systems. Use something like /usr/local or > /opt/local or /apps. This will keep local packages seperate from > NFS-mounted applications. So mount under /apps and just include that in everyone's path, right? > - On the NFS server you can export /usr, but I'd suggest exporting > /usr/local instead. Then install any applications you want to share in > /usr/local. (or whatever you export) But this will make it harder to use > packages (rpm, deb) because they all want to go in /usr. If you really > want to use packages, you should use /usr on the server, and then mount > it as /usr/local on the client. Some of what I'd want to share goes there anyway, so no problem. But what about things like a /var directory or /etc config file, where each machine might have its own? Do I really need to learn *all* my packages that well, or is there a more brainless shotgun approach? > - Make the exported directories READ-ONLY. This will save you a lot of > grief. There is no need to the application directories to be R/W. (but > of course /home will need to be R/W.) Yes -- I saw that one coming! > - Make your beefier machine the client. NFS fileserving isn't that > intensive, so I'd put the power with the application. (But then you have > disk-I/O to consider...) Yep, that's the idea. Many hands make light work, so a 486 NFS server, and another as a firewall, etc. Very helpful, thanks Clay. Phil M -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From austad at marketwatch.com Sun Feb 18 23:22:10 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vcr -- real-time DivX encoder for your TV card Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10949B@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> http://www.stack.nl/~brama/vcr/ I just installed it and I'm playing around with it. Very cool. Now if I don't want to miss a show, I can just ssh into my linux box and do something like: at 21:00 vcr -p MTV -r 1860 jackass.avi It'll record it to the file jackass.avi for 1860 seconds starting at 9:00pm. You have to create a .vcrrc file with channel settings and codec settings in it. There's an example in the man page for vcr. I'm using fast-motion DivX now, as I used low-motion before and it was jerky during scenes with lots of movement. I'm using a celeron overclocked to 464Mhz and it drops a couple frames here and there, but it's not so bad. You also need the avifile package with the windows .DLL's for DivX (the webpage has links to them), and you need Wine to load the .DLL's. Apparently, someone wrote a web interface for it which pulled listings from gist.com and would allow you to just click on the programs you wanted to record, and it would schedule them and record them when they came on. I can't find it though. A 30 minute show ends up being about 175MB at 384x288. So most movies will fit on a CDR. Now if there was only a way to make it automatically stop recording during commercials. I wonder if Broadcast 2000 can edit DivX files.... Jay From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Feb 19 00:03:28 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vcr -- real-time DivX encoder for your TV card In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10949B@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: Hi, On Sun, 18 Feb 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > at 21:00 vcr -p MTV -r 1860 jackass.avi You're actually admitting to that? > A 30 minute show ends up being about 175MB at 384x288. So most movies will > fit on a CDR. Now if there was only a way to make it automatically stop > recording during commercials. I wonder if Broadcast 2000 can edit DivX > files.... No, it can't. Neither can Microsoft Movie Maker that comes with WinME. Plus, vcr's fast motion divx is giving me pretty horrible quality. I've been using MPEG4 which is just as bad ane takes up more space, but at least I can edit it on my wife's machine. Problem is I'm out of diskspace. So what do you guys say, IBM Deskstar 7200RPM 75GB or Matrox 5400RPM 80GB? -Yaron -- From seg at haxxed.com Mon Feb 19 01:19:05 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Kernel Archives Change References: <20010214144957.P11371@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3A90C8E9.6040701@haxxed.com> >> Would people be interested in when the kernel archives mirror has any changes >> in it? >> >> If you are an official mirror, the main kernel archives sends an email >> everytime something changes, I could forward this info to the mirrors mailing >> list. > > > 1 person is all it takes. :-0 > > Ok, I am going to send these messages to the mirrors lists. And now I got admin requests piling up in my mailbox and I don't have my admin password handy... Blargh. From Troy.Johnson at health.state.mn.us Mon Feb 19 01:53:07 2001 From: Troy.Johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DISKS Message-ID: This seems really strange. Just to clarify, I am assumming this disk is being mounted on the linux box, then umounted and physically taken to a winbox and tried, then a macbox and tried, right? Just making sure this disk isn't being shared over the network via Samba and Netatalk. If my assumption is correct, does the zip disk icon on the mac desktop look like an IBM formatted one? What does the info menu item say? Just blindly asking questions, Troy >>> kbullock@ringworld.org 02/16/01 08:16PM >>> On Fri, 16 Feb 2001 HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu wrote: > I took a 100M zip disk and used fdisk to create a partition (#1 -- it chooses > Linux type partitions). I then used mkfs to create a vfat filesystem (that way, > I'm hoping there wouldn't be any issues with UID's). Linux will put a file on > the disk and read it. Winders will also read the file, but the mac doesn't see > it. The mac can write a file to it, and read it back, but back on Linux those > files are gone (go back to the mac and they're still there) and the original > file that was written to it is still there and readable. So the disk has a linux partition type with a vfat filesystem on it? If that's the case, change the partition type to some manner of FAT partition. Mixing filesystems and partition types that don't normally go together generally just confuses the computer. From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Feb 19 08:26:18 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vcr -- real-time DivX encoder for your TV card In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Mon, Feb 19, 2001 at 12:03:28AM -0600 References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10949B@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010219082618.A38788@minime.sistina.com> On Mon, Feb 19, 2001 at 12:03:28AM -0600, Yaron wrote: > Hi, > >Problem is I'm out of diskspace. So what do you guys say, IBM Deskstar >7200RPM 75GB or Matrox 5400RPM 80GB? I'd go with the IBM. > > >-Yaron > >-- > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ http://totl.net/Dating/info.php3?id=2285 <-- Computer Dating!! 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In my experience with Zip drives it's been best to stick to Iomegas partition layout, for consistancy if nothing esle. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: andyzb.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 367 bytes Desc: Card for Andy Zbikowski Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010219/cc2bd2f9/andyzb.vcf From veldy at veldy.net Mon Feb 19 08:31:01 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vcr -- real-time DivX encoder for your TV card References: Message-ID: <006201c09a80$956a0aa0$3028680a@tgt.com> > > Problem is I'm out of diskspace. So what do you guys say, IBM Deskstar > 7200RPM 75GB or Matrox 5400RPM 80GB? > Its a nit! Maxtor sucks and IBM rules! Besides, I would take a 7200RPM over a 5400RPM any day - all else considered. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net From destef at destef.com Mon Feb 19 08:41:03 2001 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vcr -- real-time DivX encoder for your TV card In-Reply-To: References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10949B@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <200102191440.f1JEenu20750@destef.com> I picked up a Maxtor 80gig at Best But a couple week ago cause I need more space to store ripped DVD when I encode them. The drive works great. If you dont need super fast disk access then 5400 is a pretty cheap way to go. The higher data density offsets the lower spindle speed so for sustained xfers it should compete well with 40-60gb 7200 rpm drives. I buy cheap drives for extra storage and a really fast one for my primary system drive. At 12:03 AM 2/19/01 -0600, you wrote: > Hi, > >On Sun, 18 Feb 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > >> at 21:00 vcr -p MTV -r 1860 jackass.avi > >You're actually admitting to that? > >> A 30 minute show ends up being about 175MB at 384x288. So most movies will >> fit on a CDR. Now if there was only a way to make it automatically stop >> recording during commercials. I wonder if Broadcast 2000 can edit DivX >> files.... > >No, it can't. Neither can Microsoft Movie Maker that comes with WinME. > >Plus, vcr's fast motion divx is giving me pretty horrible quality. I've >been using MPEG4 which is just as bad ane takes up more space, but at >least I can edit it on my wife's machine. > >Problem is I'm out of diskspace. So what do you guys say, IBM Deskstar >7200RPM 75GB or Matrox 5400RPM 80GB? > > >-Yaron > >-- > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From blarson at crary.com Mon Feb 19 09:00:33 2001 From: blarson at crary.com (Bradley D. Larson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMWare workstation and VMWare express Message-ID: <3A913511.1118AD51@crary.com> Sounds more like a configuration problem with the networkin choices that were set up. I have only recently started using VMWare and running on RH 6.2 and have win98 and winNT mounting Netware, SAMBA, and NT shares. I have spent a number of hours working in software development compiling projects, testing code, etc... and and thoroughly impressed. The best thing I've come along since sliced bread and VNC. The only shortcoming I have found is that I can't run one of my destractions (Risk (r)) due to the virtual vmware video driver (16 colors or 16bit, no 256 color) or . A minor inconvience considering what I gain in stability and simultaneously running multiple environments on one machine. Andy Zbikowski wrote: > > One potential problem for a production envireonment, it doesn't speak the > > microsoft networking language, so you can't use it for SMB mounts. You > > can however use linux to mount the windows (or hopefully samba) shares > > into a directory that Windows can see. > I'm slightly confused. You're saying that you can't mount windows shares in > VM, but that if you mount them through Linux the VM can see them? > EWWWWWWWWWWWWW! That really sucks. VMWare doesn't have such limitations. The > Windows VMWare clients work fine for sharing files and mapping network > driver. I've even had both NT and Windows 2000 domain controllers as well as > Citrix terminal servers working under VMWare. VMWare is an excellent > testbed. (Undoable disks are quite useful.) That's basically it, VMWare is much better if you really want to do more than just run some apps. Mine was a cost consideration and since I don't want to do anything but run some "legacy" applications it didn't matter much to me that it doesn't know about MS networking. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: blarson.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 386 bytes Desc: Card for Bradley D. Larson Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010219/6d671769/blarson.vcf From rsinland at gvtel.com Mon Feb 19 09:20:09 2001 From: rsinland at gvtel.com (Robert Sinland) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vcr -- real-time DivX encoder for your TV card References: <006201c09a80$956a0aa0$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <3A9139A9.CAAB4CF3@gvtel.com> "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > > > > Problem is I'm out of diskspace. So what do you guys say, IBM Deskstar > > 7200RPM 75GB or Matrox 5400RPM 80GB? > > > > Its a nit! Maxtor sucks and IBM rules! Besides, I would take a 7200RPM > over a 5400RPM any day - all else considered. > What can you afford? I have two Maxtors here and they both work as well as advertised. Have had one in my p-120 going on 5 years with no problems. Just got a new Maxtor 60 gig drive for a bit over $200 from Mwave.com.. It works...Might not be the fastest, but it works... RS . From kent at structural-wood.com Mon Feb 19 09:17:38 2001 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vcr -- real-time DivX encoder for your TV card References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10949B@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> <200102191440.f1JEenu20750@destef.com> Message-ID: <3A913912.7AFF2774@structural-wood.com> I read a review a while back on Tom's Hardware comparing the Maxtor 80 to a variety of other drives, and the Maxtor 80 frequently tied or beat drives with faster rpm's. I seem to remember it had to do that the track density minimizing head usage and head movement. I doubt this would apply when comparing a 75GB to an 80GB though... Jason DeStefano wrote: > > I picked up a Maxtor 80gig at Best But a couple week ago cause > I need more space to store ripped DVD when I encode them. The > drive works great. If you dont need super fast disk access then > 5400 is a pretty cheap way to go. The higher data density offsets > the lower spindle speed so for sustained xfers it should compete > well with 40-60gb 7200 rpm drives. I buy cheap drives for extra > storage and a really fast one for my primary system drive. > > At 12:03 AM 2/19/01 -0600, you wrote: > > Hi, > > > >On Sun, 18 Feb 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > > > >> at 21:00 vcr -p MTV -r 1860 jackass.avi > > > >You're actually admitting to that? > > > >> A 30 minute show ends up being about 175MB at 384x288. So most movies will > >> fit on a CDR. Now if there was only a way to make it automatically stop > >> recording during commercials. I wonder if Broadcast 2000 can edit DivX > >> files.... > > > >No, it can't. Neither can Microsoft Movie Maker that comes with WinME. > > > >Plus, vcr's fast motion divx is giving me pretty horrible quality. I've > >been using MPEG4 which is just as bad ane takes up more space, but at > >least I can edit it on my wife's machine. > > > >Problem is I'm out of diskspace. So what do you guys say, IBM Deskstar > >7200RPM 75GB or Matrox 5400RPM 80GB? > > > From labmat at mn.mediaone.net Mon Feb 19 10:36:28 2001 From: labmat at mn.mediaone.net (Matthew M. LaBerge) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vcr -- real-time DivX encoder for your TV card In-Reply-To: Message-ID: IBM! ---Office Bitch--- "At your service sir... anything for a raise sir." labmat@mn.mediaone.net labmat@augusttech.com http://www.labmat.net -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Yaron Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 12:03 AM To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' Subject: Re: [TCLUG] vcr -- real-time DivX encoder for your TV card Hi, On Sun, 18 Feb 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > at 21:00 vcr -p MTV -r 1860 jackass.avi You're actually admitting to that? > A 30 minute show ends up being about 175MB at 384x288. So most movies will > fit on a CDR. Now if there was only a way to make it automatically stop > recording during commercials. I wonder if Broadcast 2000 can edit DivX > files.... No, it can't. Neither can Microsoft Movie Maker that comes with WinME. Plus, vcr's fast motion divx is giving me pretty horrible quality. I've been using MPEG4 which is just as bad ane takes up more space, but at least I can edit it on my wife's machine. Problem is I'm out of diskspace. So what do you guys say, IBM Deskstar 7200RPM 75GB or Matrox 5400RPM 80GB? -Yaron -- _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bexley at daily.umn.edu Mon Feb 19 11:26:25 2001 From: bexley at daily.umn.edu (Benjamin Exley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Martian source errors In-Reply-To: <200102141816.f1EIG0l05515@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <3A9102DF.4744.F1E4804@localhost> Okay all, here's a Monday morning quandry for you all. I have a Debian box at home that I would like to use as a firewall, as well as a NAT box. I have DSL, and I have 13 useable static IPs (it's 32-47 with 47 the broadcast, 32 the network and 46 the router which makes is a /what? /24?). Now this is great for us, as we split it 7 ways, and each person can have their own static to play with. The problem is that sometime I have a bunch of people over, and it's a real pain for them to have to set up all the network stuff for my net, then set it back when they leave. So I had the thought that I would set up a box that simply forwarded the statics to the router, and used DHCP and NAT for the "guest" machines. The layout would be like so: my.public.net.x______ \-----eth1(10.0.0.254)--firewall---> 10.0.0.x(guests)_____/ >---eth0(my.public.net.45)--->router(my.private.net.46) The problem is that eth1 will not accept IPs from the "bogus" addresses that are not part of the 10.0.0.255 subnet, and it logs all sorts of "martian source" errors and displayes them on the console and in the logs. So the question is, is there a way I can make this work without physically separating the two networks? Is there a better way to do this? Thanks! Ben ----- Benjamin Exley Information Systems Manager The Minnesota Daily bexley@mndaily.com (612) 627-4070 Ext. 3190 From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Feb 19 11:33:33 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:05 2005 Subject: HDDs (was: Re: [TCLUG] vcr etc) In-Reply-To: <006201c09a80$956a0aa0$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > Its a nit! Maxtor sucks and IBM rules! Besides, I would take a 7200RPM > over a 5400RPM any day - all else considered. I've never had a problem with Matrox drives. Nor IBM drives for that matter (that's what I'm on now!) I guess the REAL question is this: the IBM 75GB is like $40 more than the Maxtor - is it worth it for the 7200 RPM? I'd need to add more fans too... I'm thinking that for a drive this big I might want to get it from a REAL store rather than online, which makes it all ANOTHER $40... -Yaron -- From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Feb 19 11:35:36 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:05 2005 Subject: HDDs (was: Re: [TCLUG] vcr etc) In-Reply-To: <200102191440.f1JEenu20750@destef.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, Jason DeStefano wrote: > 5400 is a pretty cheap way to go. The higher data density offsets > the lower spindle speed so for sustained xfers it should compete > well with 40-60gb 7200 rpm drives. Cool, useful info (: Did you get it online or at a store? I've bought HDDs online before but I don't knwo about an 80 gigger... -Yaron -- From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Feb 19 11:36:54 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:05 2005 Subject: HDDs (was: Re: [TCLUG] vcr etc) In-Reply-To: <3A9139A9.CAAB4CF3@gvtel.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, Robert Sinland wrote: > What can you afford? Both. The price isn't that different. The 75GB IBM is a bit more expensive. The question is whether 7200RPM is worth the difference. -Yaron -- From labmat at mn.mediaone.net Mon Feb 19 11:51:31 2001 From: labmat at mn.mediaone.net (Matthew M. LaBerge) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:05 2005 Subject: HDDs (was: Re: [TCLUG] vcr etc) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: yes ---Office Bitch--- "At your service sir... anything for a raise sir." labmat@mn.mediaone.net labmat@augusttech.com http://www.labmat.net -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Yaron Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 11:37 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: HDDs (was: Re: [TCLUG] vcr etc) Hi, On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, Robert Sinland wrote: > What can you afford? Both. The price isn't that different. The 75GB IBM is a bit more expensive. The question is whether 7200RPM is worth the difference. -Yaron -- _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From destef at destef.com Mon Feb 19 12:32:04 2001 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vcr -- real-time DivX encoder for your TV card In-Reply-To: <3A913912.7AFF2774@structural-wood.com> References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10949B@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> <200102191440.f1JEenu20750@destef.com> Message-ID: <200102191831.f1JIVlu21117@destef.com> Hard drive speed at mostly a matter of pluging the specs into some equations to find out how it should perform. A simple example is a 4 platter 40gig drive run at X speed. All else being equal (which is not *always* the case) a 4 platter 80gig drive is twice as fast with the same RPM simply because the data is packed on at 2x the density so for a single platter rotation twice as much data is retrieved in the same amount. Latency is a factor is RPM and a "full bore" head seek. The *avg* seek latency (simplified) is 1/3 the full-bore seek time plus 1/2 the rotational latency (time it takes for 1 rotation). The valus is the average time it takes to get the data you want positioned under the read head. All these things have to be taken into account when comparing drives. I'd also pick Maxtor because they are a hard drive company and they are extrememly good at replacing any bad drives for 3 years. I dont see IBM being as customer friendly because their hard drive business is only a small part of what they do. At 09:17 AM 2/19/01 -0600, you wrote: >I read a review a while back on Tom's Hardware comparing the Maxtor 80 to a variety >of other drives, and the Maxtor 80 frequently tied or beat drives with faster rpm's. > >I seem to remember it had to do that the track density minimizing head usage and >head movement. > >I doubt this would apply when comparing a 75GB to an 80GB though... > > >Jason DeStefano wrote: >> >> I picked up a Maxtor 80gig at Best But a couple week ago cause >> I need more space to store ripped DVD when I encode them. The >> drive works great. If you dont need super fast disk access then >> 5400 is a pretty cheap way to go. The higher data density offsets >> the lower spindle speed so for sustained xfers it should compete >> well with 40-60gb 7200 rpm drives. I buy cheap drives for extra >> storage and a really fast one for my primary system drive. >> >> At 12:03 AM 2/19/01 -0600, you wrote: >> > Hi, >> > >> >On Sun, 18 Feb 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: >> > >> >> at 21:00 vcr -p MTV -r 1860 jackass.avi >> > >> >You're actually admitting to that? >> > >> >> A 30 minute show ends up being about 175MB at 384x288. So most movies will >> >> fit on a CDR. Now if there was only a way to make it automatically stop >> >> recording during commercials. I wonder if Broadcast 2000 can edit DivX >> >> files.... >> > >> >No, it can't. Neither can Microsoft Movie Maker that comes with WinME. >> > >> >Plus, vcr's fast motion divx is giving me pretty horrible quality. I've >> >been using MPEG4 which is just as bad ane takes up more space, but at >> >least I can edit it on my wife's machine. >> > >> >Problem is I'm out of diskspace. So what do you guys say, IBM Deskstar >> >7200RPM 75GB or Matrox 5400RPM 80GB? >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Mon Feb 19 12:37:12 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vcr -- real-time DivX encoder for your TV card In-Reply-To: <200102191831.f1JIVlu21117@destef.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, Jason DeStefano wrote: > Hard drive speed at mostly a matter of pluging the specs into > some equations to find out how it should perform. I'm not disagreeing at all with what you said, however, having a little experience in bandwidth critical apps, I can tell you that "The difference between theory and practice is that in theory there is none." Phil M -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From destef at destef.com Mon Feb 19 12:38:44 2001 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Martian source errors In-Reply-To: <3A9102DF.4744.F1E4804@localhost> References: <200102141816.f1EIG0l05515@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <200102191838.f1JIcRu21136@destef.com> that would be a /28 leaving your 4 bits of IP space. 2 to the 4th power is 16. 16 minus network,router,and broadcast addrs leave your 13 IP's At 11:26 AM 2/19/01 -0600, you wrote: >Okay all, here's a Monday morning quandry for you all. > >I have a Debian box at home that I would like to use as a firewall, >as well as a NAT box. I have DSL, and I have 13 useable static IPs >(it's 32-47 with 47 the broadcast, 32 the network and 46 the router >which makes is a /what? /24?). Now this is great for us, as we split >it 7 ways, and each person can have their own static to play with. >The problem is that sometime I have a bunch of people over, and >it's a real pain for them to have to set up all the network stuff for my >net, then set it back when they leave. > >So I had the thought that I would set up a box that simply >forwarded the statics to the router, and used DHCP and NAT for >the "guest" machines. The layout would be like so: > my.public.net.x______ > \-----eth1(10.0.0.254)--firewall---> > 10.0.0.x(guests)_____/ > > >---eth0(my.public.net.45)--->router(my.private.net.46) > >The problem is that eth1 will not accept IPs from the "bogus" >addresses that are not part of the 10.0.0.255 subnet, and it logs all >sorts of "martian source" errors and displayes them on the console >and in the logs. > >So the question is, is there a way I can make this work without >physically separating the two networks? Is there a better way to do >this? > >Thanks! > > >Ben >----- >Benjamin Exley >Information Systems Manager >The Minnesota Daily >bexley@mndaily.com >(612) 627-4070 Ext. 3190 >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From destef at destef.com Mon Feb 19 12:48:38 2001 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:06 2005 Subject: HDDs (was: Re: [TCLUG] vcr etc) In-Reply-To: References: <200102191440.f1JEenu20750@destef.com> Message-ID: <200102191848.f1JImLu21161@destef.com> I bought it at Best Buy off Lyndale (or was it Ridgedale...). Its performes great even though it takes 6-12 hours to fill it over the network. :) My linux file server is now up to 200GB I have to gloat: hdb is the 80gig...all the IDE's are maxtor. md0 is 3 9.1gig 7200RPM seagates (linear) and sdd is a fujitsu 18gig 7200RPM): /dev/hda1 256667 127831 115584 53% / /dev/hda4 9669472 6233168 2945120 68% /home /dev/hda3 2071416 1520840 445352 78% /usr /dev/hdd1 29978112 24123416 5854696 81% /home/shared /dev/hdc1 39995656 38133960 1861696 96% /home/mp3 /dev/md0 26623860 22828944 3794916 86% /home/mp3/128Kb /dev/hdb1 79991492 78656968 1334524 99% /home/divx /dev/sdd1 17830116 16499148 1330968 93% /home/divx/temp I used to buy on line for drives when i was at school and best buy was quite a drive. But now the $20 I'd save isnt worth dealing with online stores. If i get home and its DOA i take it back and I still have a working drive the same day. If its DOA though the mail guess whos picking up the shipping charge to send it back...not them. I tend to buy on line for stuff where i save a lot of money or just cant find it locally for a good amount. Just picked up a chapo DVD drive at best buy yesterday for $99 to rip DVD's. Works awsome (for once I didnt get screwed buying a noname brand). Cheers At 11:35 AM 2/19/01 -0600, you wrote: > Hi, > >On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, Jason DeStefano wrote: > >> 5400 is a pretty cheap way to go. The higher data density offsets >> the lower spindle speed so for sustained xfers it should compete >> well with 40-60gb 7200 rpm drives. > >Cool, useful info (: > >Did you get it online or at a store? I've bought HDDs online before but I >don't knwo about an 80 gigger... > > >-Yaron > >-- > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From veldy at veldy.net Mon Feb 19 13:01:40 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SPEC from SRPMS without --rebuild Message-ID: <00dd01c09aa6$64620d10$3028680a@tgt.com> Can anybody tell me how the SPEC file can be extracted from a SRPMS without using the --rebuild switch for rpm? I need to examine some of the SPEC files, but I don't want to accidentally build and install the package. Thanks in advance, Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net From destef at destef.com Mon Feb 19 13:05:01 2001 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vcr -- real-time DivX encoder for your TV card In-Reply-To: References: <200102191831.f1JIVlu21117@destef.com> Message-ID: <200102191904.f1JJ4iu21194@destef.com> Right... And anyone runnnig bandwidth critical apps knows that you dont use IDE drives for your data. I also pointed out how to determine how it *should* perform. All HD specs equal, performace problems are usually NOT the hard drive but the CPU, network (inefficient drivers), crappily designed apps (which most bandwidth-intensive apps are), and most likely the OS (if its windows)---thats practice. At 12:37 PM 2/19/01 -0600, you wrote: >On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, Jason DeStefano wrote: > >> Hard drive speed at mostly a matter of pluging the specs into >> some equations to find out how it should perform. > >I'm not disagreeing at all with what you said, however, having a little >experience in bandwidth critical apps, I can tell you that > >"The difference between theory and practice is that in theory there is >none." > >Phil M > >-- >"To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tanner at real-time.com Mon Feb 19 13:09:32 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SPEC from SRPMS without --rebuild In-Reply-To: <00dd01c09aa6$64620d10$3028680a@tgt.com>; from veldy@veldy.net on Mon, Feb 19, 2001 at 01:01:40PM -0600 References: <00dd01c09aa6$64620d10$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <20010219130932.K4072@real-time.com> Quoting Thomas T. Veldhouse (veldy@veldy.net): > Can anybody tell me how the SPEC file can be extracted from a SRPMS without > using the --rebuild switch for rpm? I need to examine some of the SPEC > files, but I don't want to accidentally build and install the package. rpm2cpio blah.rpm | cpio --extract blah.spec -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Feb 19 13:11:16 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] gstreamer - video editing Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1094A1@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> http://gstreamer.net Looks cool, but I can't get it to compile, and I'm not running Redhat 7.0 so I can't use their RPMS. Has anyone else played with this? Jay From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Feb 19 13:12:50 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SPEC from SRPMS without --rebuild Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1094A2@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Or just: rpm -ivh whatver.src.rpm The SPEC file will be in /usr/src/RPMS/SPEC or something similar depending on the distribution you have. To build it, you can just do a rpm -ba whatever.spec Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Tanner [mailto:tanner@real-time.com] > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 1:10 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] SPEC from SRPMS without --rebuild > > > Quoting Thomas T. Veldhouse (veldy@veldy.net): > > Can anybody tell me how the SPEC file can be extracted from > a SRPMS without > > using the --rebuild switch for rpm? I need to examine some > of the SPEC > > files, but I don't want to accidentally build and install > the package. > > rpm2cpio blah.rpm | cpio --extract blah.spec > > > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From veldy at veldy.net Mon Feb 19 13:20:28 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SPEC from SRPMS without --rebuild References: <00dd01c09aa6$64620d10$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010219130932.K4072@real-time.com> Message-ID: <012401c09aa9$04b1de10$3028680a@tgt.com> Thanks - that works nicely. Only catch is that you have to know the name of the spec file ahead of time - not too hard to figure out though. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Tanner" To: Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] SPEC from SRPMS without --rebuild > Quoting Thomas T. Veldhouse (veldy@veldy.net): > > Can anybody tell me how the SPEC file can be extracted from a SRPMS without > > using the --rebuild switch for rpm? I need to examine some of the SPEC > > files, but I don't want to accidentally build and install the package. > > rpm2cpio blah.rpm | cpio --extract blah.spec > > From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Feb 19 13:19:58 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] backup Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1094A3@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Ok, with all the talk of buying huge hard drives and setting up huge file servers, does anyone have any suggestions for backing them up? Between me and my roomie, we have over 300GB of drives with data that we'd rather not lose. Tape drives are expensive, and the cheap ones only hold like 4 or 8GB worth of data per tape. Even if I did find a cheap AIT drive, the tapes are still about $100 each. What is the best solution for this? When I only had 20GB worth of data, burning it to 30 CD's wasn't too much of pain in the ass to do once a month or so, but now it's a monumental task. I know we could buy a couple extra drives and set up some of the volumes using RAID-5, but that doesn't protect us against file system corruption, it only protects against a drive failure. So, we really do need some sort of backup scheme, but everything I find seems to get very expensive in one way or another. Jay From tanner at real-time.com Mon Feb 19 13:27:23 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SPEC from SRPMS without --rebuild In-Reply-To: <012401c09aa9$04b1de10$3028680a@tgt.com>; from veldy@veldy.net on Mon, Feb 19, 2001 at 01:20:28PM -0600 References: <00dd01c09aa6$64620d10$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010219130932.K4072@real-time.com> <012401c09aa9$04b1de10$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <20010219132723.N4072@real-time.com> Quoting Thomas T. Veldhouse (veldy@veldy.net): > Thanks - that works nicely. Only catch is that you have to know the name of > the spec file ahead of time - not too hard to figure out though. rpm2cpio blah.rpm | cpio --extract \*.spec ? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Feb 19 13:33:55 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] gstreamer - video editing In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1094A1@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: Hi, On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > http://gstreamer.net I don't really see anything about video editing on their page, other than saying it 'allows for the construction of'. So it's an API. I don't know if there's a video editing thing included, I'm trying to compile it now. Going... going... going... going... need a faster CPU... going... going... 750MHz my ass... going... going... going... going... done! Compile fine for me. Now, uh, what exactly am I supposed to run?... THis thing looked like it relies on Wine, so make sure you have that. -Yaron -- From ecrist at ardent-hacker.net Mon Feb 19 13:33:45 2001 From: ecrist at ardent-hacker.net (Eric F Crist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] backup In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1094A3@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: Ever hear of tar? If you tar/gzip all those files, you're size of backup greatly decreses. Other than that, you're either going to have to have a dedicated hard drive just for those tar files, or you're going to have to bite the bullet (sp?) and spend too much money on a backup source. Eric On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > Ok, with all the talk of buying huge hard drives and setting up huge file > servers, does anyone have any suggestions for backing them up? Between me > and my roomie, we have over 300GB of drives with data that we'd rather not > lose. Tape drives are expensive, and the cheap ones only hold like 4 or 8GB > worth of data per tape. Even if I did find a cheap AIT drive, the tapes are > still about $100 each. > > What is the best solution for this? When I only had 20GB worth of data, > burning it to 30 CD's wasn't too much of pain in the ass to do once a month > or so, but now it's a monumental task. I know we could buy a couple extra > drives and set up some of the volumes using RAID-5, but that doesn't protect > us against file system corruption, it only protects against a drive failure. > So, we really do need some sort of backup scheme, but everything I find > seems to get very expensive in one way or another. > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From veldy at veldy.net Mon Feb 19 13:35:32 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SPEC from SRPMS without --rebuild References: <00dd01c09aa6$64620d10$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010219130932.K4072@real-time.com> <012401c09aa9$04b1de10$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010219132723.N4072@real-time.com> Message-ID: <016501c09aab$1fff8b20$3028680a@tgt.com> Bingo! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Tanner" To: Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 1:27 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] SPEC from SRPMS without --rebuild > Quoting Thomas T. Veldhouse (veldy@veldy.net): > > Thanks - that works nicely. Only catch is that you have to know the name of > > the spec file ahead of time - not too hard to figure out though. > > rpm2cpio blah.rpm | cpio --extract \*.spec > ? > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Mon Feb 19 13:36:14 2001 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] backup In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1094A3@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Mon, Feb 19, 2001 at 01:19:58PM -0600 References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1094A3@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010219133614.C2894@sorry.cs.umn.edu> This is a big problem that people everywhere are running into. The only thing I can suggest is figure out what the _most_ important data you have is and keep that backed up. If everything is extremely important to you, then, for 300GB, expect to spend a year's salary to back it all up :) A reasonable DLT drive is at least $3000 and for media with compression up to 80GB per tape is roughly $100 per tape. You do the math :) There's really no other solution. Anything other than tape is just too slow to back up that much data in a day. Even running through 4 80GB DLTs is going to take a _long_ time (most of the night). If you really care about your data that much, you won't just back it up to a RAID. Gabe On Mon, Feb 19, 2001 at 01:19:58PM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > Ok, with all the talk of buying huge hard drives and setting up huge file > servers, does anyone have any suggestions for backing them up? Between me > and my roomie, we have over 300GB of drives with data that we'd rather not > lose. Tape drives are expensive, and the cheap ones only hold like 4 or 8GB > worth of data per tape. Even if I did find a cheap AIT drive, the tapes are > still about $100 each. > > What is the best solution for this? When I only had 20GB worth of data, > burning it to 30 CD's wasn't too much of pain in the ass to do once a month > or so, but now it's a monumental task. I know we could buy a couple extra > drives and set up some of the volumes using RAID-5, but that doesn't protect > us against file system corruption, it only protects against a drive failure. > So, we really do need some sort of backup scheme, but everything I find > seems to get very expensive in one way or another. > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Get out of my trash! I'm telling you for the last time! A man works hard for his filth, just to have vagrants steal it. It's a cryin' shame." - George Liquor in "The Boy Who Cried Rat!" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From duncan at sodatrain.com Mon Feb 19 13:53:09 2001 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] backup In-Reply-To: <20010219133614.C2894@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: I have seen more and more stuff around about bigstorage.com and thier RAID and NAS stuff. I cant vouch for them at all, other than they seem like a cheaper NetApp. (no pricing that i can find on thier site) may be an option for you, or others. -- || || || || || || duncan shannon .-. duncan@sodatrain.com /v\ // \\ /( )\ L I N U X ^^-^^ >Phear the Penguin< From labmat at mn.mediaone.net Mon Feb 19 13:57:58 2001 From: labmat at mn.mediaone.net (Matthew M. LaBerge) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Penguin In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I wanna know how many people read "fear the fenguin" the first time you read this guys signature ---Office Bitch--- "At your service sir... anything for a raise sir." labmat@mn.mediaone.net labmat@augusttech.com http://www.labmat.net -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of duncan Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 1:53 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] backup I have seen more and more stuff around about bigstorage.com and thier RAID and NAS stuff. I cant vouch for them at all, other than they seem like a cheaper NetApp. (no pricing that i can find on thier site) may be an option for you, or others. -- || || || || || || duncan shannon .-. duncan@sodatrain.com /v\ // \\ /( )\ L I N U X ^^-^^ >Phear the Penguin< _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Feb 19 14:00:47 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] backup Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1094A8@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> zipping the files doesn't do any good. They are mostly compressed audio and video. > -----Original Message----- > From: Eric F Crist [mailto:ecrist@ardent-hacker.net] > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 1:34 PM > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] backup > > > Ever hear of tar? If you tar/gzip all those files, you're > size of backup > greatly decreses. Other than that, you're either going to > have to have a > dedicated hard drive just for those tar files, or you're > going to have to > bite the bullet (sp?) and spend too much money on a backup source. > > Eric > > > > On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > > > Ok, with all the talk of buying huge hard drives and > setting up huge file > > servers, does anyone have any suggestions for backing them > up? Between me > > and my roomie, we have over 300GB of drives with data that > we'd rather not > > lose. Tape drives are expensive, and the cheap ones only > hold like 4 or 8GB > > worth of data per tape. Even if I did find a cheap AIT > drive, the tapes are > > still about $100 each. > > > > What is the best solution for this? When I only had 20GB > worth of data, > > burning it to 30 CD's wasn't too much of pain in the ass to > do once a month > > or so, but now it's a monumental task. I know we could buy > a couple extra > > drives and set up some of the volumes using RAID-5, but > that doesn't protect > > us against file system corruption, it only protects against > a drive failure. > > So, we really do need some sort of backup scheme, but > everything I find > > seems to get very expensive in one way or another. > > > > Jay > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From barnabas at knicknack.net Mon Feb 19 14:17:36 2001 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vcr -- real-time DivX encoder for your TV card In-Reply-To: <200102191831.f1JIVlu21117@destef.com>; from destef@destef.com on Mon, Feb 19, 2001 at 12:32:04PM -0600 References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10949B@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> <200102191440.f1JEenu20750@destef.com> <3A913912.7AFF2774@structural-wood.com> <200102191831.f1JIVlu21117@destef.com> Message-ID: <20010219141736.A15150@knicknack.net> I will beg to differ on IBM's customer service. The one experience I had with them with a bad drive, was with a drive that was nearly out of warranty (3 years old). I called them up and told them that I was getting hoards of errors while running mke2fs and they agreed to send me a new drive. The drive arrived within two days with a prepaid shipping label to return the old one. I consider that good customer service. Eric On Mon, Feb 19, 2001 at 12:32:04PM -0600, Jason DeStefano wrote: > > All these things have to be taken into account when comparing > drives. I'd also pick Maxtor because they are a hard drive > company and they are extrememly good at replacing any bad > drives for 3 years. I dont see IBM being as customer friendly > because their hard drive business is only a small part of what > they do. From jeffr at odeon.net Mon Feb 19 15:25:14 2001 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] backup In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1094A8@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: Then you're pretty much stuck. You could spend a lot (more than I want to figure out) on a tape solution, or you could spend a lot (about $1200 for that much data using 9.4 gig disks, plus a drive) on some sort of dvd-r solution each time you do a backup, our you could make another machine (for about $2000) with a really big raid 5 (400 gigs - 6 maxtor 80 gig drives and an Escalade 6800) which really only gives you an extra layer of redundancy, a power problem (you do have a UPS? - not that a UPS will solve all power problems - yet another expense) could fry all of your systems, loosing all of your data. No matter how you look at it, you'd have to spend a lot to back up that much data. Any word on new techlogies that would make backing up really large amounts of data fast and cheap? New types of optical storage maybe? Jeff On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > zipping the files doesn't do any good. They are mostly compressed audio and > video. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Eric F Crist [mailto:ecrist@ardent-hacker.net] > > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 1:34 PM > > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] backup > > > > > > Ever hear of tar? If you tar/gzip all those files, you're > > size of backup > > greatly decreses. Other than that, you're either going to > > have to have a > > dedicated hard drive just for those tar files, or you're > > going to have to > > bite the bullet (sp?) and spend too much money on a backup source. > > > > Eric > > > > > > > > On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > > > > > Ok, with all the talk of buying huge hard drives and > > setting up huge file > > > servers, does anyone have any suggestions for backing them > > up? Between me > > > and my roomie, we have over 300GB of drives with data that > > we'd rather not > > > lose. Tape drives are expensive, and the cheap ones only > > hold like 4 or 8GB > > > worth of data per tape. Even if I did find a cheap AIT > > drive, the tapes are > > > still about $100 each. > > > > > > What is the best solution for this? When I only had 20GB > > worth of data, > > > burning it to 30 CD's wasn't too much of pain in the ass to > > do once a month > > > or so, but now it's a monumental task. I know we could buy > > a couple extra > > > drives and set up some of the volumes using RAID-5, but > > that doesn't protect > > > us against file system corruption, it only protects against > > a drive failure. > > > So, we really do need some sort of backup scheme, but > > everything I find > > > seems to get very expensive in one way or another. > > > > > > Jay > > > _______________________________________________ > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From destef at destef.com Mon Feb 19 14:40:54 2001 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vcr -- real-time DivX encoder for your TV card In-Reply-To: <20010219141736.A15150@knicknack.net> References: <200102191831.f1JIVlu21117@destef.com> <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10949B@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> <200102191440.f1JEenu20750@destef.com> <3A913912.7AFF2774@structural-wood.com> <200102191831.f1JIVlu21117@destef.com> Message-ID: <200102192040.f1JKeZu21397@destef.com> I stand corrected. I guess monster-sized companies can be efficient sometimes. :) At 02:17 PM 2/19/01 -0600, you wrote: >I will beg to differ on IBM's customer service. The one experience I >had with them with a bad drive, was with a drive that was nearly out >of warranty (3 years old). I called them up and told them that I was >getting hoards of errors while running mke2fs and they agreed to send >me a new drive. The drive arrived within two days with a prepaid >shipping label to return the old one. I consider that good customer >service. > >Eric > >On Mon, Feb 19, 2001 at 12:32:04PM -0600, Jason DeStefano wrote: >> >> All these things have to be taken into account when comparing >> drives. I'd also pick Maxtor because they are a hard drive >> company and they are extrememly good at replacing any bad >> drives for 3 years. I dont see IBM being as customer friendly >> because their hard drive business is only a small part of what >> they do. >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From destef at destef.com Mon Feb 19 14:46:23 2001 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] backup In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1094A8@mspexch1.office.mkt w.net> Message-ID: <200102192046.f1JKk5u21411@destef.com> if most of your data is audio and video then why do you need to do periodic backups--even if its only monthly? The majority of my data is DivX and mp3's. they never change so i burn then to CD once (i also have a dds3 drive too) and they are permanent archives. It may take sometime at first but your should never have to make another backup. Even with 4-8gig tape drives and a pile of tapes you only need to back them up once. Then the data that is "dynamic" and probably more valuable can be backed up or stored on a raid or mirror set--since i assume that is only a small percentage of your 300gig. Of course depending on what your data is your mileage may vary. For my data needs this works good enuf. For DivX i burn them to CD so i can watch them on my laptop or lend them to a friend. I kill two birds with one CD then. At 02:00 PM 2/19/01 -0600, you wrote: >zipping the files doesn't do any good. They are mostly compressed audio and >video. > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Eric F Crist [mailto:ecrist@ardent-hacker.net] >> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 1:34 PM >> To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' >> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] backup >> >> >> Ever hear of tar? If you tar/gzip all those files, you're >> size of backup >> greatly decreses. Other than that, you're either going to >> have to have a >> dedicated hard drive just for those tar files, or you're >> going to have to >> bite the bullet (sp?) and spend too much money on a backup source. >> >> Eric >> >> >> >> On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: >> >> > Ok, with all the talk of buying huge hard drives and >> setting up huge file >> > servers, does anyone have any suggestions for backing them >> up? Between me >> > and my roomie, we have over 300GB of drives with data that >> we'd rather not >> > lose. Tape drives are expensive, and the cheap ones only >> hold like 4 or 8GB >> > worth of data per tape. Even if I did find a cheap AIT >> drive, the tapes are >> > still about $100 each. >> > >> > What is the best solution for this? When I only had 20GB >> worth of data, >> > burning it to 30 CD's wasn't too much of pain in the ass to >> do once a month >> > or so, but now it's a monumental task. I know we could buy >> a couple extra >> > drives and set up some of the volumes using RAID-5, but >> that doesn't protect >> > us against file system corruption, it only protects against >> a drive failure. >> > So, we really do need some sort of backup scheme, but >> everything I find >> > seems to get very expensive in one way or another. >> > >> > Jay >> > _______________________________________________ >> > tclug-list mailing list >> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> tclug-list mailing list >> tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From kent at structural-wood.com Mon Feb 19 14:51:48 2001 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] backup References: Message-ID: <3A918764.21DCF81A@structural-wood.com> jeffr@odeon.net wrote: > > Then you're pretty much stuck. You could spend a lot (more than I want to > figure out) on a tape solution, or you could spend a lot (about $1200 for > that much data using 9.4 gig disks, plus a drive) on some sort of dvd-r > solution each time you do a backup, our you could make another machine > (for about $2000) with a really big raid 5 (400 gigs - 6 maxtor 80 gig > drives and an Escalade 6800) which really only gives you an extra layer of > redundancy, a power problem (you do have a UPS? - not that a UPS will > solve all power problems - yet another expense) could fry all of your > systems, loosing all of your data. > > No matter how you look at it, you'd have to spend a lot to back up that > much data. > > Any word on new techlogies that would make backing up really large amounts > of data fast and cheap? New types of optical storage maybe? > > Jeff > I'm guessing that ultimately we will be backing up to the internet - essentially that will mean that you can pay only for the backup media and the shared costs of the backup infrastructure. I guess I would feel more secure than I do now if I could encrypt my data and then hand it off to someone who would store it on widely separated backup farms (USA, Europe, Australia?). If I were going to do it, I would backup the data for free, and then charge bonzo bucks when someone needed their data back... MooHaaaHaaaHaaa Kent From natecars at real-time.com Mon Feb 19 14:54:29 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] backup In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 19 Feb 2001 jeffr@odeon.net wrote: > Then you're pretty much stuck. You could spend a lot (more than I want to > figure out) on a tape solution, or you could spend a lot (about $1200 for > that much data using 9.4 gig disks, plus a drive) on some sort of dvd-r > solution each time you do a backup, our you could make another machine > (for about $2000) with a really big raid 5 (400 gigs - 6 maxtor 80 gig > drives and an Escalade 6800) which really only gives you an extra layer of > redundancy, a power problem (you do have a UPS? - not that a UPS will > solve all power problems - yet another expense) could fry all of your > systems, loosing all of your data. > > No matter how you look at it, you'd have to spend a lot to back up that > much data. > > Any word on new techlogies that would make backing up really large amounts > of data fast and cheap? New types of optical storage maybe? Or spend 10 grand, buy a box with a TON of disk space, and do incremental backups to disk. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Feb 19 15:00:28 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] backup Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1094AB@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> > I guess I would feel more secure than I do now if I could > encrypt my data and > then hand it off to someone who would store it on widely > separated backup farms > (USA, Europe, Australia?). You could always encrypt your data and upload it on Freenet (http://freenet.sourceforge.net/). That way it will always exist (hopefully), and you can get it from anywhere in the world. Anyone can get it, but they still have to be able to decrypt it. :) Jay From fertch at mninter.net Mon Feb 19 15:18:04 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] backup References: Message-ID: <3A918D8C.A3A8752A@mninter.net> I have to admit that at this point in time, I'm glad that all of my data that absolutely "must" be backed up fits on a nice 100MB Zip disk (actually it totals about 25MB). The rest of it, such as dowloaded program files and patches (damn windows crap) I download at work, burn to a CD-R or two and bring home to work. That way I'm not spending literally days downloading at home on my pathetic 56k line. Who knows, by the time my install date comes around (March 21st comes around) for ISDN, DSL will finally be available to me. Not likely. Gotta remember, I'm dealing with Qwest.. Shawn jeffr@odeon.net wrote: > > Then you're pretty much stuck. You could spend a lot (more than I want to > figure out) on a tape solution, or you could spend a lot (about $1200 for > that much data using 9.4 gig disks, plus a drive) on some sort of dvd-r > solution each time you do a backup, our you could make another machine > (for about $2000) with a really big raid 5 (400 gigs - 6 maxtor 80 gig > drives and an Escalade 6800) which really only gives you an extra layer of > redundancy, a power problem (you do have a UPS? - not that a UPS will > solve all power problems - yet another expense) could fry all of your > systems, loosing all of your data. > > No matter how you look at it, you'd have to spend a lot to back up that > much data. > > Any word on new techlogies that would make backing up really large amounts > of data fast and cheap? New types of optical storage maybe? > > Jeff From jeffr at odeon.net Mon Feb 19 16:33:52 2001 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] backup In-Reply-To: <3A918D8C.A3A8752A@mninter.net> Message-ID: Argh, don't get me started on Qwest (oops, looks like I just did). They dropped my DSL connection early friday morning (about 5:00 judging by my log files). This was reported to them at about 8:30am. It took until 5:00pm to convince them that there really was a problem and that it wasn't on my end. By then it was too late to do anything about it friday, so it had to wait until this week. Their current expected repair time is tomorrow afternoon. They absolutely refused to even look at the problem unless I was right next to the router (a little Cisco 675) with a Win9x box connected to it. Oh, and the Win9x box had to have their connection monitoring utility installed on it, even though all the stats they were looking for are available directly from the router itself. It's really bad when you have to explain basic networking to the people you have to call for support for your internet connection... Jeff On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, Shawn Fertch wrote: > I have to admit that at this point in time, I'm glad that all of my data > that absolutely "must" be backed up fits on a nice 100MB Zip disk > (actually it totals about 25MB). The rest of it, such as dowloaded > program files and patches (damn windows crap) I download at work, burn > to a CD-R or two and bring home to work. That way I'm not spending > literally days downloading at home on my pathetic 56k line. Who knows, > by the time my install date comes around (March 21st comes around) for > ISDN, DSL will finally be available to me. Not likely. Gotta remember, > I'm dealing with Qwest.. > > Shawn From mkroska at readynetgo.com Mon Feb 19 15:47:18 2001 From: mkroska at readynetgo.com (Mark K) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SLAs 4 DSL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yes, I have to agree that DSL uptime can be real pain...when the company relies on that little copper pair as a "lifeline" to the outside world. We've got several clients who have DSL service from other providers and have us deal with the web site/e-commerce/marketing/consulting. It's almost funny to have them explain how dependent they are on that connection and the fact they've given *no consideration* for a backup means of connecting to the 'net in the event of an outage. ...then I go into the story about why we have a T1 vs a DSL.... "No SLA for DSL" -- bad "100% uptime SLA for T1" -- good mission critical and DSL don't go in the same sentence. sorry for rambling...it's a slow Monday MK On Mon, 19 Feb 2001 jeffr@odeon.net wrote: > > Argh, don't get me started on Qwest (oops, looks like I just did). They > dropped my DSL connection early friday morning (about 5:00 judging by my > log files). This was reported to them at about 8:30am. It took until > 5:00pm to convince them that there really was a problem and that it wasn't > on my end. By then it was too late to do anything about it friday, so it > had to wait until this week. Their current expected repair time is > tomorrow afternoon. > > They absolutely refused to even look at the problem unless I was right > next to the router (a little Cisco 675) with a Win9x box connected to it. > Oh, and the Win9x box had to have their connection monitoring utility > installed on it, even though all the stats they were looking for are > available directly from the router itself. > > It's really bad when you have to explain basic networking to the people > you have to call for support for your internet connection... > > Jeff > > > On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, Shawn Fertch wrote: > > > I have to admit that at this point in time, I'm glad that all of my data > > that absolutely "must" be backed up fits on a nice 100MB Zip disk > > (actually it totals about 25MB). The rest of it, such as dowloaded > > program files and patches (damn windows crap) I download at work, burn > > to a CD-R or two and bring home to work. That way I'm not spending > > literally days downloading at home on my pathetic 56k line. Who knows, > > by the time my install date comes around (March 21st comes around) for > > ISDN, DSL will finally be available to me. Not likely. Gotta remember, > > I'm dealing with Qwest.. > > > > Shawn > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- ________________________________________________________ ReadyNET Go!, Inc. - Building your Business on the net ________________________________________________________ Mark J. Kroska MIS Director 320.656.0765 Voice 888.447.3239 Toll Free 320.203.7052 Fax http://www.readynetgo.com mailto:mkroska@readynetgo.com ________________________________________________________ From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Feb 19 17:05:40 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:07 2005 Subject: HDDs (was: Re: [TCLUG] vcr etc) References: Message-ID: <3A91A6C4.84895999@tc.umn.edu> Yaron wrote: > > I've never had a problem with Matrox drives. Nor IBM drives for that > matter (that's what I'm on now!) Just because I'm in a mood where I need to pick on someone: Maxtor makes drives. Matrox makes video cards (pretty good cards at that, though their Xinerama drivers for my G400 need some work..) -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Famous last words - You / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ and what army? \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Feb 19 17:15:09 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:07 2005 Subject: HDDs (was: Re: [TCLUG] vcr etc) In-Reply-To: <3A91A6C4.84895999@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: Hi, On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, Michael Hicks wrote: > > I've never had a problem with Matrox drives. Nor IBM drives for that > Just because I'm in a mood where I need to pick on someone: It was a typo waiting to happen - they're too close! > Matrox makes video cards (pretty good cards at that, I know, I'm using one. (: > though their Xinerama drivers for my G400 need some work..) Worked for me... for the 5 seconds I used it. Got some wacky screenshots. -Yaron -- From wyatt at coolsend.com Mon Feb 19 17:33:02 2001 From: wyatt at coolsend.com (Chuck Larson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dynamic routing. Anyone know something about it? Message-ID: <20010219233302.1F1A73ECC@sitemail.everyone.net> Hi, I am new to the list, and hope I can contribute and get some good advice. I am currently attempting to use 2 external ips to host a game server on my cable modem( shh, don't tell anyone). If I am still correct( since I recently moved down from St. Cloud, and could do this. ), I would double the amount of upload bandwidth available for multiple connections. Currently I can manually enter in an ip, using route, I can tell the kernel to use the second ip( ethernet card ) to connect to that host. The question is how do I enable the kernel to automatically do this without me sitting at the console and manually do it. I have currently looked at bird, but I haven't taken huge amount of time to do this because I have to learn how to configure it first. Has anyone attempted this or know how? I could use a ( or few ) good pointers on this. I am getting more confident that this can be done. The question is, what the best way? Thanks in advance, Chuck Larson. _____________________________________________________________ Domain powered by www.iReg.com E-mail powered by www.1FreeEmail.com From wookimus at real-time.com Mon Feb 19 17:43:29 2001 From: wookimus at real-time.com (^chewie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] backup In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1094A3@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Mon, Feb 19, 2001 at 01:19:58PM -0600 References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1094A3@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010219174329.H15883@wookimus.net> Austad, Jay wrote: > Ok, with all the talk of buying huge hard drives and setting up huge > file servers, does anyone have any suggestions for backing them up? > Between me and my roomie, we have over 300GB of drives with data > that we'd rather not lose. Tape drives are expensive, and the cheap > ones only hold like 4 or 8GB worth of data per tape. Even if I did > find a cheap AIT drive, the tapes are still about $100 each. Organize your data into filesystem hierarchy that reflects the data's volatility. Things that change often should be stored in /var. Things that change only with system upgrades should be stored in /usr. Things that are stored regardless of their volatility should be stored in /home. Config files are in /etc. Temporary files are in /tmp or /var/tmp. You can do a similar hierarchy under /exports for your NFS/Samba servers. Or simply use symbolic links in your /exports directory to point to the more traditional directories. Now, back up your data in cycles that reflect the volatility and importance of the data contained within. Volatile and configuration information should be backed up daily. System software should be backed up in full when the system changes. (I do a dist-upgrade on my system, then back up /usr in full. I do upgrade to my system, I back up /usr in incremental.) The rest of the data should be backed up on a wide, periodical cycle reflecting the relative volatility of the data in the given filesystem hierarchy. Compute the amount of data that you have with respect to volatility and ask yourself what an acceptable buget is for backup hardware, software, and administrative time. If unattended backups are a requirement, CDR/CDRW is an unacceptable solution. If the amount of data being backed up will cost you more money in media and hardware than installing a RAID system, then ask yourself what your priorities are. -- ^chewie From destef at destef.com Mon Feb 19 18:16:41 2001 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SLAs 4 DSL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200102200016.f1K0GKu21755@destef.com> Am I reading right? 3x the cost of DSL for a T1? Where do I sign up? At 03:47 PM 2/19/01 -0600, you wrote: > > >Yes, I have to agree that DSL uptime can be real pain...when the company >relies on that little copper pair as a "lifeline" to the outside world. >We've got several clients who have DSL service from other providers and >have us deal with the web site/e-commerce/marketing/consulting. It's >almost funny to have them explain how dependent they are on that >connection and the fact they've given *no consideration* for a backup >means of connecting to the 'net in the event of an outage. > >...then I go into the story about why we have a T1 vs a DSL.... > >"No SLA for DSL" -- bad >"100% uptime SLA for T1" -- good > >mission critical and DSL don't go in the same sentence. > > >sorry for rambling...it's a slow Monday > >MK > > >On Mon, 19 Feb 2001 jeffr@odeon.net wrote: > >> >> Argh, don't get me started on Qwest (oops, looks like I just did). They >> dropped my DSL connection early friday morning (about 5:00 judging by my >> log files). This was reported to them at about 8:30am. It took until >> 5:00pm to convince them that there really was a problem and that it wasn't >> on my end. By then it was too late to do anything about it friday, so it >> had to wait until this week. Their current expected repair time is >> tomorrow afternoon. >> >> They absolutely refused to even look at the problem unless I was right >> next to the router (a little Cisco 675) with a Win9x box connected to it. >> Oh, and the Win9x box had to have their connection monitoring utility >> installed on it, even though all the stats they were looking for are >> available directly from the router itself. >> >> It's really bad when you have to explain basic networking to the people >> you have to call for support for your internet connection... >> >> Jeff >> >> >> On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, Shawn Fertch wrote: >> >> > I have to admit that at this point in time, I'm glad that all of my data >> > that absolutely "must" be backed up fits on a nice 100MB Zip disk >> > (actually it totals about 25MB). The rest of it, such as dowloaded >> > program files and patches (damn windows crap) I download at work, burn >> > to a CD-R or two and bring home to work. That way I'm not spending >> > literally days downloading at home on my pathetic 56k line. Who knows, >> > by the time my install date comes around (March 21st comes around) for >> > ISDN, DSL will finally be available to me. Not likely. Gotta remember, >> > I'm dealing with Qwest.. >> > >> > Shawn >> >> _______________________________________________ >> tclug-list mailing list >> tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > >-- >________________________________________________________ >ReadyNET Go!, Inc. - Building your Business on the net >________________________________________________________ > >Mark J. Kroska >MIS Director > >320.656.0765 Voice >888.447.3239 Toll Free >320.203.7052 Fax >http://www.readynetgo.com >mailto:mkroska@readynetgo.com >________________________________________________________ > > > > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Feb 19 18:30:52 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dynamic routing. Anyone know something about it? Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1094AC@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Sorry, probably not going to work. Just because you assign 2 ip's to a box, doesn't make it get double the bandwidth. If you had 2 cable modem connections to the same provider, you could theoretically do it, but your cable provider would have to provide some special stuff in their configs to make it work. Even so, you wouldn't get double the bandwidth to a single host, but your aggregate bandwidth could be around double. If I get 2 t-1's to some provider, say ATT. I then download file from some site, the most I will most likely be able to get for bandwidth is the max speed of one of those t-1's (1.544Mbps). If ATT has Cisco equipment, and I have Cisco equip, and they configure ip cef (Cisco Express Forwarding), and I do the same, it will do some load balancing on a packet by packet basis, and use some of both of the t-1's, which would allow me to get more than 1.544Mbps on the download. However, this would suck for gaming as packets arrive out of order on a much more frequent basis when using this method. In any case, your cable modem provider will not do anything for you on this one, and I suspect that the equipment they use for cable modem service probably wouldn't support what you want to do anyway. Get yourself a DSL line. Your download speeds are lower, but upload will be comparable, and most DSL providers don't care if you run servers. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Larson [mailto:wyatt@coolsend.com] > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 5:33 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Dynamic routing. Anyone know something about it? > > > Hi, > > I am new to the list, and hope I can contribute and get some > good advice. > > I am currently attempting to use 2 external ips to host a > game server on my cable modem( shh, don't tell anyone). If I > am still correct( since I recently moved down from St. > Cloud, and could do this. ), I would double the amount of > upload bandwidth available for multiple connections. > Currently I can manually enter in an ip, using route, I can > tell the kernel to use the second ip( ethernet card ) to > connect to that host. The question is how do I enable the > kernel to automatically do this without me sitting at the > console and manually do it. I have currently looked at bird, > but I haven't taken huge amount of time to do this because I > have to learn how to configure it first. Has anyone > attempted this or know how? I could use a ( or few ) good > pointers on this. I am getting more confident that this can > be done. The question is, what the best way? > > Thanks in advance, > Chuck Larson. > > _____________________________________________________________ > Domain powered by www.iReg.com > E-mail powered by www.1FreeEmail.com > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Feb 19 18:36:03 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SLAs 4 DSL Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1094AD@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Yeah, where do I sign up? Unless you're saying 3x the cost of one of Visi's business DSL lines which are like $400 something a month. I can get a t-1 from my house to just about any ISP in town for around $400 a month, but that doesn't include the ISP charges for bandwidth, that's only the charges from Qwest. Too bad we don't have this here in MPLS: http://www.cogentco.com/home.html 100Mbps fiber to your house for $1000/month. Unlimited bandwidth, so you could saturate the line all day if you wanted. I think you get a whole class C to play with too. :) Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Jason DeStefano [mailto:destef@destef.com] > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 6:17 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] SLAs 4 DSL > > > Am I reading right? 3x the cost of DSL for a T1? Where do > I sign up? > > > At 03:47 PM 2/19/01 -0600, you wrote: > > > > > >Yes, I have to agree that DSL uptime can be real pain...when > the company > >relies on that little copper pair as a "lifeline" to the > outside world. > >We've got several clients who have DSL service from other > providers and > >have us deal with the web site/e-commerce/marketing/consulting. It's > >almost funny to have them explain how dependent they are on that > >connection and the fact they've given *no consideration* for a backup > >means of connecting to the 'net in the event of an outage. > > > >...then I go into the story about why we have a T1 vs a DSL.... > > > >"No SLA for DSL" -- bad > >"100% uptime SLA for T1" -- good > > > >mission critical and DSL don't go in the same sentence. > > > > > >sorry for rambling...it's a slow Monday > > > >MK > > > > > >On Mon, 19 Feb 2001 jeffr@odeon.net wrote: > > > >> > >> Argh, don't get me started on Qwest (oops, looks like I > just did). They > >> dropped my DSL connection early friday morning (about 5:00 > judging by my > >> log files). This was reported to them at about 8:30am. > It took until > >> 5:00pm to convince them that there really was a problem > and that it wasn't > >> on my end. By then it was too late to do anything about > it friday, so it > >> had to wait until this week. Their current expected repair time is > >> tomorrow afternoon. > >> > >> They absolutely refused to even look at the problem unless > I was right > >> next to the router (a little Cisco 675) with a Win9x box > connected to it. > >> Oh, and the Win9x box had to have their connection > monitoring utility > >> installed on it, even though all the stats they were > looking for are > >> available directly from the router itself. > >> > >> It's really bad when you have to explain basic networking > to the people > >> you have to call for support for your internet connection... > >> > >> Jeff > >> > >> > >> On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, Shawn Fertch wrote: > >> > >> > I have to admit that at this point in time, I'm glad > that all of my data > >> > that absolutely "must" be backed up fits on a nice 100MB Zip disk > >> > (actually it totals about 25MB). The rest of it, such > as dowloaded > >> > program files and patches (damn windows crap) I download > at work, burn > >> > to a CD-R or two and bring home to work. That way I'm > not spending > >> > literally days downloading at home on my pathetic 56k > line. Who knows, > >> > by the time my install date comes around (March 21st > comes around) for > >> > ISDN, DSL will finally be available to me. Not likely. > Gotta remember, > >> > I'm dealing with Qwest.. > >> > > >> > Shawn > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> tclug-list mailing list > >> tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >> > > > >-- > >________________________________________________________ > >ReadyNET Go!, Inc. - Building your Business on the net > >________________________________________________________ > > > >Mark J. Kroska > >MIS Director > > > >320.656.0765 Voice > >888.447.3239 Toll Free > >320.203.7052 Fax > >http://www.readynetgo.com > >mailto:mkroska@readynetgo.com > > >________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >tclug-list mailing list > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From destef at destef.com Mon Feb 19 19:26:07 2001 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SLAs 4 DSL In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1094AD@mspexch1.office.mkt w.net> Message-ID: <200102200125.f1K1Pju21868@destef.com> Im foaming at the mouth. I need to start my own business in a city where they are located. We always get screwed here in the midwest. At 06:36 PM 2/19/01 -0600, you wrote: >Yeah, where do I sign up? Unless you're saying 3x the cost of one of Visi's >business DSL lines which are like $400 something a month. I can get a t-1 >from my house to just about any ISP in town for around $400 a month, but >that doesn't include the ISP charges for bandwidth, that's only the charges >from Qwest. > >Too bad we don't have this here in MPLS: > >http://www.cogentco.com/home.html > >100Mbps fiber to your house for $1000/month. Unlimited bandwidth, so you >could saturate the line all day if you wanted. I think you get a whole >class C to play with too. :) > >Jay > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jason DeStefano [mailto:destef@destef.com] >> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 6:17 PM >> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] SLAs 4 DSL >> >> >> Am I reading right? 3x the cost of DSL for a T1? Where do >> I sign up? >> >> >> At 03:47 PM 2/19/01 -0600, you wrote: >> > >> > >> >Yes, I have to agree that DSL uptime can be real pain...when >> the company >> >relies on that little copper pair as a "lifeline" to the >> outside world. >> >We've got several clients who have DSL service from other >> providers and >> >have us deal with the web site/e-commerce/marketing/consulting. It's >> >almost funny to have them explain how dependent they are on that >> >connection and the fact they've given *no consideration* for a backup >> >means of connecting to the 'net in the event of an outage. >> > >> >...then I go into the story about why we have a T1 vs a DSL.... >> > >> >"No SLA for DSL" -- bad >> >"100% uptime SLA for T1" -- good >> > >> >mission critical and DSL don't go in the same sentence. >> > >> > >> >sorry for rambling...it's a slow Monday >> > >> >MK >> > >> > >> >On Mon, 19 Feb 2001 jeffr@odeon.net wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> Argh, don't get me started on Qwest (oops, looks like I >> just did). They >> >> dropped my DSL connection early friday morning (about 5:00 >> judging by my >> >> log files). This was reported to them at about 8:30am. >> It took until >> >> 5:00pm to convince them that there really was a problem >> and that it wasn't >> >> on my end. By then it was too late to do anything about >> it friday, so it >> >> had to wait until this week. Their current expected repair time is >> >> tomorrow afternoon. >> >> >> >> They absolutely refused to even look at the problem unless >> I was right >> >> next to the router (a little Cisco 675) with a Win9x box >> connected to it. >> >> Oh, and the Win9x box had to have their connection >> monitoring utility >> >> installed on it, even though all the stats they were >> looking for are >> >> available directly from the router itself. >> >> >> >> It's really bad when you have to explain basic networking >> to the people >> >> you have to call for support for your internet connection... >> >> >> >> Jeff >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, Shawn Fertch wrote: >> >> >> >> > I have to admit that at this point in time, I'm glad >> that all of my data >> >> > that absolutely "must" be backed up fits on a nice 100MB Zip disk >> >> > (actually it totals about 25MB). The rest of it, such >> as dowloaded >> >> > program files and patches (damn windows crap) I download >> at work, burn >> >> > to a CD-R or two and bring home to work. That way I'm >> not spending >> >> > literally days downloading at home on my pathetic 56k >> line. Who knows, >> >> > by the time my install date comes around (March 21st >> comes around) for >> >> > ISDN, DSL will finally be available to me. Not likely. >> Gotta remember, >> >> > I'm dealing with Qwest.. >> >> > >> >> > Shawn >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tclug-list mailing list >> >> tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> >> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> > >> >-- >> >________________________________________________________ >> >ReadyNET Go!, Inc. - Building your Business on the net >> >________________________________________________________ >> > >> >Mark J. Kroska >> >MIS Director >> > >> >320.656.0765 Voice >> >888.447.3239 Toll Free >> >320.203.7052 Fax >> >http://www.readynetgo.com >> >mailto:mkroska@readynetgo.com >> >> >________________________________________________________ >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >tclug-list mailing list >> >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> tclug-list mailing list >> tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From wyatt at coolsend.com Mon Feb 19 19:55:23 2001 From: wyatt at coolsend.com (Chuck Larson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dynamic routing. Anyone know something about it? Message-ID: <20010220015523.5266B3ECC@sitemail.everyone.net> Jay, I understand that each connection would only be allowed a maximum speed of my upload bandwidth on a single ip. If I can specify which NIC device to TX on per ip, It should work. I am doing it right now, the problem is i have to add the ip to the routing table by hand. I am looking for a daemon which would manage the connections to do this on a larger scale. In a sense, do the work I can do but 24/7 when I am not around. You make very good points, but I have determined since my first e-mail that it can be done. Now the question is how. --- "Austad, Jay" > wrote: >Sorry, probably not going to work. Just because you assign 2 ip's to a box, >doesn't make it get double the bandwidth. > >If you had 2 cable modem connections to the same provider, you could >theoretically do it, but your cable provider would have to provide some >special stuff in their configs to make it work. Even so, you wouldn't get >double the bandwidth to a single host, but your aggregate bandwidth could be >around double. > >If I get 2 t-1's to some provider, say ATT. I then download file from some >site, the most I will most likely be able to get for bandwidth is the max >speed of one of those t-1's (1.544Mbps). If ATT has Cisco equipment, and I >have Cisco equip, and they configure ip cef (Cisco Express Forwarding), and >I do the same, it will do some load balancing on a packet by packet basis, >and use some of both of the t-1's, which would allow me to get more than >1.544Mbps on the download. However, this would suck for gaming as packets >arrive out of order on a much more frequent basis when using this method. > >In any case, your cable modem provider will not do anything for you on this >one, and I suspect that the equipment they use for cable modem service >probably wouldn't support what you want to do anyway. Get yourself a DSL >line. Your download speeds are lower, but upload will be comparable, and >most DSL providers don't care if you run servers. > >Jay > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Chuck Larson [mailto:wyatt@coolsend.com] >> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 5:33 PM >> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> Subject: [TCLUG] Dynamic routing. Anyone know something about it? >> >> >> Hi, >> >> I am new to the list, and hope I can contribute and get some >> good advice. >> >> I am currently attempting to use 2 external ips to host a >> game server on my cable modem( shh, don't tell anyone). If I >> am still correct( since I recently moved down from St. >> Cloud, and could do this. ), I would double the amount of >> upload bandwidth available for multiple connections. >> Currently I can manually enter in an ip, using route, I can >> tell the kernel to use the second ip( ethernet card ) to >> connect to that host. The question is how do I enable the >> kernel to automatically do this without me sitting at the >> console and manually do it. I have currently looked at bird, >> but I haven't taken huge amount of time to do this because I >> have to learn how to configure it first. Has anyone >> attempted this or know how? I could use a ( or few ) good >> pointers on this. I am getting more confident that this can >> be done. The question is, what the best way? >> >> Thanks in advance, >> Chuck Larson. >> >> _____________________________________________________________ >> Domain powered by www.iReg.com >> E-mail powered by www.1FreeEmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> tclug-list mailing list >> tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _____________________________________________________________ Domain powered by www.iReg.com E-mail powered by www.1FreeEmail.com From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Feb 20 00:17:07 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dynamic routing. Anyone know something about it? Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1094B0@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> So what you're saying is that your cable modem provider is not doing rate shaping on the line itself, but on an ip by ip basis? So if you have 2 separate machines on your cable modem, and you upload something from each one of them, you will get the full 256kbps up from each machine (or whatever the typical upload speed is at your provider), for a total of 512kbps? Ok, if this is true, you have one problem with doing what you want to do. I'm now assuming they are rate shaping based on IP. Say your gaming server has 2 NIC's with the IP's 10.1.1.1 and 10.1.1.2 (I know these are private, but they're just examples). Some client sends a SYN with a source/dest of 10.99.99.99/10.1.1.1, your server responds from the NIC with the 10.1.1.2 address with a syn-ack with a source/dest of 10.1.1.2/10.99.99.99, the client expects to receive a syn-ack with 10.1.1.1/10.99.99.99 because it's original syn was sent to 10.1.1.1. The client will ignore that syn-ack and the connection will never get established because the packet came back from a different IP. Yeah, you can make the 10.1.1.2 nic spoof it's ip as 10.1.1.1, but if they are rate shaping based on IP, you aren't going to get any extra speed out of it. Now, for UDP, it's most likely going to be totally dependent on the game that's being played. Since UDP is connectionless, it's going to primarily be up to the software that is being used to figure out if it accepts packets from a different ip than the one it's sending to. I can't imagine this would work, because if it did, I could write a nice little program that spoofed Q3 commands, and cause lots of havoc with people's games. How many clients are you planning on connecting to your server anyway? I run 2 q3 servers from work which each have 4 server instances running on them for a total of 8, and I routinely have over 100 people connected to them, and the total bandwidth never goes over 600kbps outbound. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Larson [mailto:wyatt@coolsend.com] > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 7:55 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Dynamic routing. Anyone know something about it? > > > Jay, > > I understand that each connection would only be allowed a > maximum speed of my upload bandwidth on a single ip. If I > can specify which NIC device to TX on per ip, It should work. > I am doing it right now, the problem is i have to add the ip > to the routing table by hand. I am looking for a daemon > which would manage the connections to do this on a larger > scale. In a sense, do the work I can do but 24/7 when I am > not around. > > > You make very good points, but I have determined since my > first e-mail that it can be done. Now the question is how. > > --- "Austad, Jay" > > wrote: > >Sorry, probably not going to work. Just because you assign > 2 ip's to a box, > >doesn't make it get double the bandwidth. > > > >If you had 2 cable modem connections to the same provider, you could > >theoretically do it, but your cable provider would have to > provide some > >special stuff in their configs to make it work. Even so, > you wouldn't get > >double the bandwidth to a single host, but your aggregate > bandwidth could be > >around double. > > > >If I get 2 t-1's to some provider, say ATT. I then download > file from some > >site, the most I will most likely be able to get for > bandwidth is the max > >speed of one of those t-1's (1.544Mbps). If ATT has Cisco > equipment, and I > >have Cisco equip, and they configure ip cef (Cisco Express > Forwarding), and > >I do the same, it will do some load balancing on a packet by > packet basis, > >and use some of both of the t-1's, which would allow me to > get more than > >1.544Mbps on the download. However, this would suck for > gaming as packets > >arrive out of order on a much more frequent basis when using > this method. > > > >In any case, your cable modem provider will not do anything > for you on this > >one, and I suspect that the equipment they use for cable > modem service > >probably wouldn't support what you want to do anyway. Get > yourself a DSL > >line. Your download speeds are lower, but upload will be > comparable, and > >most DSL providers don't care if you run servers. > > > >Jay > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Chuck Larson [mailto:wyatt@coolsend.com] > >> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 5:33 PM > >> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >> Subject: [TCLUG] Dynamic routing. Anyone know something about it? > >> > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> I am new to the list, and hope I can contribute and get some > >> good advice. > >> > >> I am currently attempting to use 2 external ips to host a > >> game server on my cable modem( shh, don't tell anyone). If I > >> am still correct( since I recently moved down from St. > >> Cloud, and could do this. ), I would double the amount of > >> upload bandwidth available for multiple connections. > >> Currently I can manually enter in an ip, using route, I can > >> tell the kernel to use the second ip( ethernet card ) to > >> connect to that host. The question is how do I enable the > >> kernel to automatically do this without me sitting at the > >> console and manually do it. I have currently looked at bird, > >> but I haven't taken huge amount of time to do this because I > >> have to learn how to configure it first. Has anyone > >> attempted this or know how? I could use a ( or few ) good > >> pointers on this. I am getting more confident that this can > >> be done. The question is, what the best way? > >> > >> Thanks in advance, > >> Chuck Larson. > >> > >> _____________________________________________________________ > >> Domain powered by www.iReg.com > >> E-mail powered by www.1FreeEmail.com > >> _______________________________________________ > >> tclug-list mailing list > >> tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >> > >_______________________________________________ > >tclug-list mailing list > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _____________________________________________________________ > Domain powered by www.iReg.com > E-mail powered by www.1FreeEmail.com > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jasonj at talkware.net Tue Feb 20 07:20:43 2001 From: jasonj at talkware.net (Jason Jorgensen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vcr -- real-time DivX encoder for your TV card References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10949B@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> <200102191440.f1JEenu20750@destef.com> <3A913912.7AFF2774@structural-wood.com> <200102191831.f1JIVlu21117@destef.com> <20010219141736.A15150@knicknack.net> Message-ID: <3A926F2B.EA685A37@talkware.net> I heard that OEM IBM drives are completely without warrenty from IBM. You may get some warrenty from the vendor though, but that varies. Anyone know that this is correct? IBM is my drive of choice, and if one fails I am just prepared to buy another. Eric Stanley wrote: > I will beg to differ on IBM's customer service. The one experience I > had with them with a bad drive, was with a drive that was nearly out > of warranty (3 years old). I called them up and told them that I was > getting hoards of errors while running mke2fs and they agreed to send > me a new drive. The drive arrived within two days with a prepaid > shipping label to return the old one. I consider that good customer > service. > > Eric > > On Mon, Feb 19, 2001 at 12:32:04PM -0600, Jason DeStefano wrote: > > > > All these things have to be taken into account when comparing > > drives. I'd also pick Maxtor because they are a hard drive > > company and they are extrememly good at replacing any bad > > drives for 3 years. I dont see IBM being as customer friendly > > because their hard drive business is only a small part of what > > they do. > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com Tue Feb 20 07:28:27 2001 From: RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com (RWare@INTERPLASTIC.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] backup Message-ID: <8794B3B640FED2118D8600C00D0020A593F13B@ipserver2.interplastic.com> Build another box with 4+ 80 giggers in it and copy your data to it. A more expensive alternative might be one of the network storage devices I am now seeing in some of the Linux magazines. > -----Original Message----- > From: dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu [SMTP:dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu] > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 1:36 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] backup > > This is a big problem that people everywhere are running into. The only > thing I can suggest is figure out what the _most_ important data you have > is and keep that backed up. If everything is extremely important to you, > then, for 300GB, expect to spend a year's salary to back it all up :) > > A reasonable DLT drive is at least $3000 and for media with compression up > to 80GB per tape is roughly $100 per tape. You do the math :) There's > really no other solution. Anything other than tape is just too slow to > back up that much data in a day. Even running through 4 80GB DLTs is > going > to take a _long_ time (most of the night). > > If you really care about your data that much, you won't just back it up to > a RAID. > > Gabe > > On Mon, Feb 19, 2001 at 01:19:58PM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > > Ok, with all the talk of buying huge hard drives and setting up huge > file > > servers, does anyone have any suggestions for backing them up? Between > me > > and my roomie, we have over 300GB of drives with data that we'd rather > not > > lose. Tape drives are expensive, and the cheap ones only hold like 4 or > 8GB > > worth of data per tape. Even if I did find a cheap AIT drive, the tapes > are > > still about $100 each. > > > > What is the best solution for this? When I only had 20GB worth of data, > > burning it to 30 CD's wasn't too much of pain in the ass to do once a > month > > or so, but now it's a monumental task. I know we could buy a couple > extra > > drives and set up some of the volumes using RAID-5, but that doesn't > protect > > us against file system corruption, it only protects against a drive > failure. > > So, we really do need some sort of backup scheme, but everything I find > > seems to get very expensive in one way or another. > > > > Jay > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > Gabe Turner | X-President, > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing > Machinery > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > "Get out of my trash! I'm telling you for the last time! A man works > hard for his filth, just to have vagrants steal it. > It's a cryin' shame." > - George Liquor in "The Boy Who Cried Rat!" > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ From andy at theasis.com Tue Feb 20 07:32:20 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vcr -- real-time DivX encoder for your TV card In-Reply-To: <3A926F2B.EA685A37@talkware.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Feb 2001, Jason Jorgensen wrote: > I heard that OEM IBM drives are completely without warrenty from IBM. > You may get some warrenty from the vendor though, but that varies. IBM intends their OEM drives to be used in systems. Like with many other products, vendors stretch the limits of the OEM agreements by selling bare drives. In these cases, IBM feels that those vendors are responsible for support. > Anyone know that this is correct? Correct enough to be true at least some times, which means that in trying to be cheap, you're gambling with the sort of support that you can rely on. > IBM is my drive of choice, and if one fails I am just prepared to buy > another. In that case, why not just pay the extra few bux to buy a non-OEM drive, to make sure you get the support? And BTW, drive research is one of the biggest things IBM does! I've had excellent support from them, even in cases where I was only _considering_ buying one of their drives. Andy > > > All these things have to be taken into account when comparing > > > drives. I'd also pick Maxtor because they are a hard drive > > > company and they are extrememly good at replacing any bad > > > drives for 3 years. I dont see IBM being as customer friendly > > > because their hard drive business is only a small part of what > > > they do. From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Tue Feb 20 08:05:04 2001 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vcr -- real-time DivX encoder for your TV card In-Reply-To: <3A926F2B.EA685A37@talkware.net>; from jasonj@talkware.net on Tue, Feb 20, 2001 at 07:20:43AM -0600 References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10949B@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> <200102191440.f1JEenu20750@destef.com> <3A913912.7AFF2774@structural-wood.com> <200102191831.f1JIVlu21117@destef.com> <20010219141736.A15150@knicknack.net> <3A926F2B.EA685A37@talkware.net> Message-ID: <20010220080504.B5628@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Well, all of Mwave's OEM IBM drives seem to have 3-year warranties: http://direct.mwave.com/mwave/ProdHD-IDE-I.hmx?UID=&CID=&updepts=HD-IDE&DNAME=%3Cb%3EHard+Drives%2DIDE%3C%2Fb%3E&Back=ProdHD-IDE-I.hmx? Gabe On Tue, Feb 20, 2001 at 07:20:43AM -0600, Jason Jorgensen wrote: > I heard that OEM IBM drives are completely without warrenty from IBM. > You may get some warrenty from the vendor though, but that varies. > > Anyone know that this is correct? > > IBM is my drive of choice, and if one fails I am just prepared to buy > another. > -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "I know what you want! You coveteth my ice cream bar!!" - Commander Hoek (Ren) in "Space Madness" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Tue Feb 20 08:51:01 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] backup In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, Eric F Crist wrote: > Ever hear of tar? If you tar/gzip all those files, you're size of backup > greatly decreses. Other than that, you're either going to have to have a > dedicated hard drive just for those tar files, or you're going to have to > bite the bullet (sp?) and spend too much money on a backup source. TANSTAAFL -- There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch. If you zip/gzip/bzip2 your archive files, they are a lot more susceptible to media corruption. It's always a trade off -- safety of data is expensive *over time*. The longer you need to keep the data, the more it costs. Do you spend it on expensive high capacity media, or lots of cheap ones? (IF you really archive for a long time, you have to make copies on a regular basis -- ick!) Entropy just ain't what it used to be. -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Feb 20 08:53:27 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vcr -- real-time DivX encoder for your TV card Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1094B2@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> My friend used to work for a used computer place, and he would bring home all of the bad hard drives that they normally threw out, and then we would just send them back to the vendor to get them replaced. We never had any trouble getting new drives or having the bad drive repaired. Just about every drive manufacturer too, IBM, Quantum, Fujitsu, Samsung, Maxtor... Never did any of the manufacturers question us, they just sent us new drives, and we probably did it with 50 or 60 drives (which then would promptly hit Ebay :) Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu [mailto:dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 8:05 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] vcr -- real-time DivX encoder for your TV card > > > Well, all of Mwave's OEM IBM drives seem to have 3-year warranties: > > http://direct.mwave.com/mwave/ProdHD-IDE-I.hmx?UID=&CID=&updep > ts=HD-IDE&DNAME=%3Cb%3EHard+Drives%2DIDE%3C%2Fb%3E&Back=ProdHD > -IDE-I.hmx? > > Gabe > > On Tue, Feb 20, 2001 at 07:20:43AM -0600, Jason Jorgensen wrote: > > I heard that OEM IBM drives are completely without warrenty > from IBM. > > You may get some warrenty from the vendor though, but that varies. > > > > Anyone know that this is correct? > > > > IBM is my drive of choice, and if one fails I am just > prepared to buy > > another. > > > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------ > Gabe Turner | X-President, > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for > Computing Machinery > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University > of Minnesohta > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | > dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > "I know what you want! You coveteth my ice cream bar!!" > - Commander Hoek (Ren) in > "Space Madness" > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From briceavila at hotmail.com Tue Feb 20 09:32:43 2001 From: briceavila at hotmail.com (Brice Avila) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] backup Message-ID: FWIW, you could try using a storage manager and archiving your file servers to a bank of storage devices ( tapes, CDROM, other files, etc ). A good storage manager will run encryption & compression on the files it archives, as well as allowing incremental archives. Since you're going to a bank of storage devices, you'll run the archives in parallel. Hope this suggestion helps. Brice >From: "Austad, Jay" >Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >To: "'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'" >Subject: [TCLUG] backup >Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 13:19:58 -0600 > >Ok, with all the talk of buying huge hard drives and setting up huge file >servers, does anyone have any suggestions for backing them up? Between me >and my roomie, we have over 300GB of drives with data that we'd rather not >lose. Tape drives are expensive, and the cheap ones only hold like 4 or >8GB >worth of data per tape. Even if I did find a cheap AIT drive, the tapes >are >still about $100 each. > >What is the best solution for this? When I only had 20GB worth of data, >burning it to 30 CD's wasn't too much of pain in the ass to do once a month >or so, but now it's a monumental task. I know we could buy a couple extra >drives and set up some of the volumes using RAID-5, but that doesn't >protect >us against file system corruption, it only protects against a drive >failure. >So, we really do need some sort of backup scheme, but everything I find >seems to get very expensive in one way or another. > >Jay >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From scottdagastino at yahoo.com Tue Feb 20 10:21:14 2001 From: scottdagastino at yahoo.com (Scott Dagastino) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cdrom burners on linux Message-ID: <20010220162114.84233.qmail@web9603.mail.yahoo.com> I am running Redhat 7.0 and have a cd-rw. Has anyone setup linux to burn cds? Scott Dagastinio __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Tue Feb 20 10:34:09 2001 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cdrom burners on linux In-Reply-To: <20010220162114.84233.qmail@web9603.mail.yahoo.com>; from scottdagastino@yahoo.com on Tue, Feb 20, 2001 at 08:21:14AM -0800 References: <20010220162114.84233.qmail@web9603.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20010220103409.D5628@sorry.cs.umn.edu> xcdroast. It's probably already installed on your machine: gabe@monsoon [~] % cat /etc/redhat-release Red Hat Linux release 7.0 (Guinness) gabe@monsoon [~] % rpm -qa | grep roast xcdroast-0.98-1 Gabe On Tue, Feb 20, 2001 at 08:21:14AM -0800, Scott Dagastino wrote: > I am running Redhat 7.0 and have a cd-rw. Has anyone > setup linux to burn cds? > > Scott Dagastinio > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "I know what you want! You coveteth my ice cream bar!!" - Commander Hoek (Ren) in "Space Madness" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Feb 20 10:37:34 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cdrom burners on linux In-Reply-To: <20010220162114.84233.qmail@web9603.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Tue, 20 Feb 2001, Scott Dagastino wrote: > I am running Redhat 7.0 and have a cd-rw. Has anyone > setup linux to burn cds? Yes, it's a piece of cake. I think there's a CD-Writing Howto. Plus look on Freshmeat for many, many, many applications. mkisofs and cdrecord anre the basic ones, and have many gui frontends (cdburn, gcombust, etc). -Yaron -- From andyzb at ltiflex.com Tue Feb 20 10:50:27 2001 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cdrom burners on linux References: <20010220162114.84233.qmail@web9603.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3A92A053.2170F87E@ltiflex.com> > I am running Redhat 7.0 and have a cd-rw. Has anyone > setup linux to burn cds? Yup. Oh, you wanted some form of help/advice I suppose. Well, I have a Plextor SCSI burner so I don't have to worry about the SCSI emulation stuff. If you have an IDE burner you'll have to use SCSI Emulation to get it to do anything besides read cds. Most likely RedHat 7 has this enabled in it's kernel. If not, you need to compile a kernel with SCSI Emulation Support (available after enabling SCSI support). Then you'll need the tools. cdrecord, mkisofs, cdparanoia, gcombust, xcdroast, etc. I haven't taken the time to figure out gcombust, so am still using xcdroast (the latest alpha version) even though it has the nasty habit of resetting my SCSI bus. For more indepth coverage, see the CD-Writing HOWTO: http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/CD-Writing-HOWTO.html -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: andyzb.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 367 bytes Desc: Card for Andy Zbikowski Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010220/4b4341cf/andyzb.vcf From lxy at cloudnet.com Tue Feb 20 10:57:57 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cdrom burners on linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Feb 2001, Yaron wrote: > Yes, it's a piece of cake. I think there's a CD-Writing Howto. Plus look > on Freshmeat for many, many, many applications. mkisofs and cdrecord anre > the basic ones, and have many gui frontends (cdburn, gcombust, etc). I swear by cdrecord. I think it's the greatest CD burning tool ever written. I used to use Xcdroast, but I messed it up when I migrated to Redhat Pinstripe and decided to learn cdrecord. I never went back. I do have a question, and I didn't see it covered in the docs. Can you use an IDE writer just using 'cdrecord dev=/dev/hdd'? I have a SCSI and that's what's primarily talked about in the HOWTO but it never says if you can use a /dev entry instead of the SCSI BUS,ID,LUN construct. -Brian From dkleist at acm.org Tue Feb 20 11:32:05 2001 From: dkleist at acm.org (Dave Kleist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cdrom burners on linux In-Reply-To: <3A92A053.2170F87E@ltiflex.com>; from andyzb@ltiflex.com on Tue, Feb 20, 2001 at 10:50:27 -0600 References: <20010220162114.84233.qmail@web9603.mail.yahoo.com> <3A92A053.2170F87E@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <20010220113205.A909@coder> On 2001.02.20 10:50:27 -0600 Andy Zbikowski wrote: > > I am running Redhat 7.0 and have a cd-rw. Has anyone > > setup linux to burn cds? > > Yup. > > If you > have an IDE burner you'll have to use SCSI Emulation to get it to do > anything besides read cds. Most likely RedHat 7 has this enabled in it's > kernel. If not, you need to compile a kernel with SCSI Emulation Support > (available after enabling SCSI support). > It was turned on in RedHat 6.2, so it's likely that it's in 7.0. Pay attention in the how-to about the part of appending to lilo.conf. Took me about 10 minutes to get it up and running (now, reinstalling my PCMCIA card on Win95, OTOH, is taking _hours_: yes, I need it for the handling some outlook/office stuff - resumes, applications). - Dave -- Dave Kleist dkleist@acm.org "The covers of this book are too far apart." - Ambrose Bierce From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Tue Feb 20 11:38:08 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cdrom burners on linux References: Message-ID: <3A92AB80.9A92388B@tc.umn.edu> Brian wrote: > > I swear by cdrecord. I think it's the greatest CD burning tool ever > written. I used to use Xcdroast, but I messed it up when I migrated to > Redhat Pinstripe and decided to learn cdrecord. I never went back. I do > have a question, and I didn't see it covered in the docs. Can you use an > IDE writer just using 'cdrecord dev=/dev/hdd'? When I first played with cdrecord, I had tried using `dev=/dev/scdX', since I thought that was what cdrecord wanted -- it didn't work. Then I read the docs and discovered that cdrecord just doesn't talk that way. Regardless, it's easy to figure out the right combination -- just run `cdrecord -scanbus'. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Borg spreadsheet: Locutus / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ 1-2-3 \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Feb 20 11:40:15 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] installing a system with LVM In-Reply-To: ; from wilson@visi.com on Thu, Feb 15, 2001 at 12:26:15PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20010220114015.A7968@wookimus.net> On Thu, Feb 15, 2001 at 12:26:15PM -0600, Timothy Wilson wrote: > I think I'd like to give LVM a try on this beast. It has Compaq's > RAID controller which is supported in the kernel. We're getting two > 18GB SCSI disks and plan to mirror them. I'm assuming that the RAID > controller will take care of that. My question is regarding > installing a system with LVM from the beginning. > > How would I do this on a Debian install? Short answer, you can't do it from Potato install disks. However, you can do it the long way. The setup you will likely want is one primary partition for boot, one for swap, and one for the LVM physical volume (which is then allocated into a volume group and its respective logical volumes). The trick is to get everything working w/o having to have an old "install root partition" hanging around. The easiest way is to do a base Debian install on an IDE drive you plan on removing after install, or some other form of removable media -- maybe a custom version of Linuxcare BBC w/LVM support. Do something like install Debian on an iso image and burn it to CD. Boot up the server w/your BBC. Create your partitions, create your LVM devices, mount the logical volumes in the hierarcies you want them in, then cpio -p the entire filesystem (except /boot) to the LVM disks. cpio -p the /boot hierarchy to the primary /boot parition. Make sure /etc/fstab uses the lvm devices. Reboot and cross your fingers. IOW, it won't be easy, but doable ;-) -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Personally I wouldn't buy an IDE CDR/RW unless my life depended on it (: -Yaron -- From jasonj at talkware.net Tue Feb 20 12:01:37 2001 From: jasonj at talkware.net (Jason Jorgensen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cdrom burners on linux References: Message-ID: <3A92B101.A538FB1A@talkware.net> I want to get one of the new plextor 16x's. And I was trying to decide between the IDE and the SCSI version. Why do you not like IDE burners? I have all IDE drives in my system so I would have to get a SCSI controller as well. Yaron wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, 20 Feb 2001, Brian wrote: > > > I swear by cdrecord. I think it's the greatest CD burning tool ever > > written. > > It is. Especially if you're writing scripts to do multiple burnings on a > machine with 5 Plextors in it (: > > > Can you use an IDE writer just using 'cdrecord dev=/dev/hdd'? > > I doubt it. But SCSI emulation should work fine. > > Personally I wouldn't buy an IDE CDR/RW unless my life depended on it (: > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Feb 20 12:19:21 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cdrom burners on linux In-Reply-To: <3A92B101.A538FB1A@talkware.net> Message-ID: Hi, On Tue, 20 Feb 2001, Jason Jorgensen wrote: > Why do you not like IDE burners? Because I'm an elitist snob (: in the Olden Days IDE wasn't the most reliable thing in the world for sustained transfers you need for CD burning. They probably work just fine now, but I still don't like 'em. SCSI is still more reliable and faster than IDE. -Yaron -- From tanner at real-time.com Tue Feb 20 12:19:40 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] High capacity mailing list software Message-ID: <20010220121940.M15317@real-time.com> Anyone suggestions on a high capacity mailing list? I am talking millions of users. Of course it must run under linux. :-) I looked a ListServ, and it sales 10 brands of Unix, does the cover linux? Any suggestions? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From kethry at winternet.com Tue Feb 20 12:34:05 2001 From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] High capacity mailing list software In-Reply-To: <20010220121940.M15317@real-time.com> Message-ID: have you looked at Listar? It's open source - one of the core developers is a close friend of mine, and I know that he not only uses linux as his primary OS, but it was developed on a linux box. The website is www.listar.org.... Liz On Tue, 20 Feb 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > Anyone suggestions on a high capacity mailing list? I am talking millions of > users. > > Of course it must run under linux. :-) > > I looked a ListServ, and it sales 10 brands of Unix, does the cover linux? > > Any suggestions? > > -- Imagination is intelligence having fun... e-mail: kethry@winternet.com URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html From jacque at fruitioninc.com Tue Feb 20 13:02:14 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beermeeting this Thursday the 23rd at Stub and Herbs Message-ID: Hey LUGies- Beer Meeting this Thursday the 23rd at Stub and Herbs. Everything you wanted to know about it and more is here: http://www.mn-linux.org/beermeeting/ Hope to see you there! Jacque From jacque at fruitioninc.com Tue Feb 20 13:02:14 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beermeeting this Thursday the 23rd at Stub and Herbs Message-ID: Hey LUGies- Beer Meeting this Thursday the 23rd at Stub and Herbs. Everything you wanted to know about it and more is here: http://www.mn-linux.org/beermeeting/ Hope to see you there! Jacque _______________________________________________ tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Feb 20 13:17:32 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] High capacity mailing list software Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1094BD@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Ezmlm! I'm using an ezmlm/qmail setup to blast out a few million messages per day. Very fast, and with some simple mods, you can make your ezmlm box send the messages by load balancing between multiple qmail boxes. With 2 qmail boxes, I can do about 300,000 messages every 15 mins. My code allows up to 255 qmail boxes, so I could theoretically get much higher. One problem with using qmail under linux instead of FreeBSD is that you need to do a bunch of kernel mods to get your concurrency level above 520 connections. With FreeBSD, you change like 2 settings and you can put it all the way up to 65535 if you wanted (I don't suggest doing that though). Ezmlm/qmail with no mods is still blazingly fast. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Tanner [mailto:tanner@real-time.com] > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 12:20 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] High capacity mailing list software > > > Anyone suggestions on a high capacity mailing list? I am > talking millions of > users. > > Of course it must run under linux. :-) > > I looked a ListServ, and it sales 10 brands of Unix, does the > cover linux? > > Any suggestions? > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tanner at real-time.com Tue Feb 20 13:27:20 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] High capacity mailing list software In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1094BD@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Tue, Feb 20, 2001 at 01:17:32PM -0600 References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1094BD@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010220132720.U15317@real-time.com> Quoting Austad, Jay (austad@marketwatch.com): > Ezmlm! I'm using an ezmlm/qmail setup to blast out a few million messages > per day. Very fast, and with some simple mods, you can make your ezmlm box > send the messages by load balancing between multiple qmail boxes. With 2 > qmail boxes, I can do about 300,000 messages every 15 mins. My code allows > up to 255 qmail boxes, so I could theoretically get much higher. Ezmlm is not very user friendly. I am working a proposal for a client who is techincally challenged. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Tue Feb 20 14:30:54 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beermeeting this Thursday the 23rd at Stub and Herbs References: Message-ID: <3A92D3FE.AE82A01D@tc.umn.edu> Jacqueline Urick wrote: > > Hey LUGies- > > Beer Meeting this Thursday the 23rd at Stub and Herbs. > > Everything you wanted to know about it and more is here: > http://www.mn-linux.org/beermeeting/ Heh.. Does your calendar say `2001' on the top? Thursday is the 22nd. /me ducks -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Who is "they" anyway? / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From jacque at fruitioninc.com Tue Feb 20 14:32:27 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beermeeting this Thursday the 23rd at Stub and Herbs In-Reply-To: <3A92D3FE.AE82A01D@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: guh I give up on dates... > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Michael Hicks > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 2:31 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Beermeeting this Thursday the 23rd at Stub and > Herbs > > > Jacqueline Urick wrote: > > > > Hey LUGies- > > > > Beer Meeting this Thursday the 23rd at Stub and Herbs. > > > > Everything you wanted to know about it and more is here: > > http://www.mn-linux.org/beermeeting/ > > Heh.. Does your calendar say `2001' on the top? Thursday is the 22nd. > > /me ducks > > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Who is "they" anyway? > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Feb 20 14:48:32 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] High capacity mailing list software Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1094BF@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Hrm, you got a point there. There's an ezmlm.cgi that comes with ezmlm-idx that allows some web administration of the lists, but I haven't tried it so I don't know how well it works. There's also these: http://sourceforge.net/projects/warby/ http://sourceforge.net/projects/ezmanage/ http://members.elysium.pl/brush/php-ezmlm/ http://oss.gospelcom.net/src/ezweb-1.7.tar.gz http://www.rucus.ru.ac.za/~guy/ezmlm/ Some of them look interesting. jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Tanner [mailto:tanner@real-time.com] > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 1:27 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] High capacity mailing list software > > > Quoting Austad, Jay (austad@marketwatch.com): > > Ezmlm! I'm using an ezmlm/qmail setup to blast out a few > million messages > > per day. Very fast, and with some simple mods, you can > make your ezmlm box > > send the messages by load balancing between multiple qmail > boxes. With 2 > > qmail boxes, I can do about 300,000 messages every 15 mins. > My code allows > > up to 255 qmail boxes, so I could theoretically get much higher. > > Ezmlm is not very user friendly. I am working a proposal for > a client who is > techincally challenged. > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From Troy.Johnson at health.state.mn.us Tue Feb 20 14:51:02 2001 From: Troy.Johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beermeeting this Thursday the 23rd at Stub and Herbs Message-ID: Did the beermeeting start early then? (sorry, I could not resist). >>> jacque@fruitioninc.com 02/20/01 02:32PM >>> guh I give up on dates... > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Michael Hicks > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 2:31 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Beermeeting this Thursday the 23rd at Stub and > Herbs > > > Jacqueline Urick wrote: > > > > Hey LUGies- > > > > Beer Meeting this Thursday the 23rd at Stub and Herbs. > > > > Everything you wanted to know about it and more is here: > > http://www.mn-linux.org/beermeeting/ > > Heh.. Does your calendar say `2001' on the top? Thursday is the 22nd. > > /me ducks > > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Who is "they" anyway? > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From tanner at real-time.com Tue Feb 20 14:52:58 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] High capacity mailing list software In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1094BF@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Tue, Feb 20, 2001 at 02:48:32PM -0600 References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1094BF@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010220145258.I29554@real-time.com> Quoting Austad, Jay (austad@marketwatch.com): > Hrm, you got a point there. There's an ezmlm.cgi that comes with ezmlm-idx > that allows some web administration of the lists, but I haven't tried it so > I don't know how well it works. > > There's also these: > http://sourceforge.net/projects/warby/ > http://sourceforge.net/projects/ezmanage/ > http://members.elysium.pl/brush/php-ezmlm/ > http://oss.gospelcom.net/src/ezweb-1.7.tar.gz > http://www.rucus.ru.ac.za/~guy/ezmlm/ Other requirements, like mail merge from a DB, customized templates, etc. Also make most of the open source mailing lists not very good candidates. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From fertch at mninter.net Tue Feb 20 10:05:58 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISDN Message-ID: <3A9295E6.2CA3845C@mninter.net> Just got word that my ISDN line was dropped to my house. They're supposed to be finishing the wiring tomorrow. In getting my gateway/firewall configured, do I have to have the line connected? I'd like to try and get the server setup tonight so that tomorrow I can attempt to dial out. Granted, I can't test the dialing, but the rest should be able to be set up right? BTW, this is a P120 with 32MB ram running Slackware 7.1 just in case it matters. Any hints or tips I need to watch out for? Shawn From wilson at visi.com Tue Feb 20 18:43:51 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] installing a system with LVM In-Reply-To: <20010220114015.A7968@wookimus.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Feb 2001, Chad C. Walstrom wrote: > Short answer, you can't do it from Potato install disks. However, you > can do it the long way. So is the usual way of getting an LVM system to put it on new disks after the initial install? Is this easier on other distributions of Linux? I guess I'm wondering what others do when they want to use LVM. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu Tue Feb 20 19:48:03 2001 From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DISKS Message-ID: <010220194803.2028e1a4@dcmir.med.umn.edu> Hi A coupla days ago I asked about formatting a zip drive so that it could be read by a mac, nt, and linux. I've finally managed to get the thing working correctly. Thanks to Kevin Bullock, Troy Johnson and Andy Zbikowski (sorry about the spelling, but hey, I tried). All pointed me in the right direction as far as where MY error was (seems it's always that way :( ). I tried formatting and partitioning so many ways on so many different devices I couldn't remember what I'd done or why. Nothing seemed to make sense, which usually means I've done something pretty stupid AGAIN. The answer was to simply to either format it in NT as fat or partition it in linux as fat and then mkfs it as vfat (seems I must've tried that a few times, but who knows). Anyway, it works just fine now. Of course, the mac still has a problem with the CR/LF thing, but I don't think I'm going to worry about that as I don't really know of a way to deal with it. To answer the leftover questions, the disk was not being served out. When mounted, the device looks like a regular disk drive, though I've changed that to the zip.png file. Most of my machines are dual boots with a zip drive on them, and we also have macs around, so this will make a convenient way to get medium sized files between them. I hate it when I stumble over my own 2 feet! Thanks for the help. Ed Hoeffner 1-271 BSBE 312 Church St. SE Mpls, MN 55455 hoeffner@dcmir.med.umn.edu 612-625-2115 612-625-2163 fax From fertch at mninter.net Tue Feb 20 21:06:06 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISDN setup: wvdial, pppd, diald Message-ID: <3A93309E.920A1291@mninter.net> Reading the documentation on getting ISDN setup for my internet connection gateway, which do I want to use? wvdial, pppd, diald or other? One book I read mentioned that I needed a special pppd, another doesn't really mention anything about isdn. They keep refering to standard dialup on a modem. Is this all the same or no? Help would be appreciated. From bradyh at bitstream.net Tue Feb 20 21:00:07 2001 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Flash plugin and Mozilla 0.8 References: Message-ID: <3A932F37.5050809@bitstream.net> I just installed the Flash plugin into my mozilla/plugins directory but Mozilla doesn't seem to recognize it's existence in any way. I made it executable has anybody here been through this? Thanks, Brady From tanner at real-time.com Tue Feb 20 21:02:09 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISDN setup: wvdial, pppd, diald In-Reply-To: <3A93309E.920A1291@mninter.net>; from fertch@mninter.net on Tue, Feb 20, 2001 at 09:06:06PM -0600 References: <3A93309E.920A1291@mninter.net> Message-ID: <20010220210209.G29554@real-time.com> Quoting Shawn Fertch (fertch@mninter.net): > Reading the documentation on getting ISDN setup for my internet > connection gateway, which do I want to use? wvdial, pppd, diald or > other? One book I read mentioned that I needed a special pppd, another > doesn't really mention anything about isdn. They keep refering to > standard dialup on a modem. Is this all the same or no? > > Help would be appreciated. What type of ISDN device do you have? Max and model would be great. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From andy at theasis.com Tue Feb 20 15:08:44 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISDN setup: wvdial, pppd, diald In-Reply-To: <3A93309E.920A1291@mninter.net> Message-ID: um, your note(s) seems to imply that you have an internal ISDN serial card that you intend to stick in a computer, rather than an external ISDN router, which is the commonest approach these days. What exactly is the hardware you will be using? Andy > Reading the documentation on getting ISDN setup for my internet > connection gateway, which do I want to use? wvdial, pppd, diald or > other? One book I read mentioned that I needed a special pppd, another > doesn't really mention anything about isdn. They keep refering to > standard dialup on a modem. Is this all the same or no? > > Help would be appreciated. > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From fertch at mninter.net Tue Feb 20 21:19:10 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISDN setup: wvdial, pppd, diald References: <3A93309E.920A1291@mninter.net> <20010220210209.G29554@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3A9333AE.A385EED6@mninter.net> Bob Tanner wrote: > What type of ISDN device do you have? > > Max and model would be great. > -- D'oh! Stupid me... "3com Impact IQ" on front panel. 3c882 number listed on the bottom. It's an external ISDN modem, according to the box it does 230.4Kbps. Compressed I'm assuming. Thanks Bob! From tanner at real-time.com Tue Feb 20 21:13:34 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fisher2 aka Wolverine aka NEXT Beta release of Redhat Message-ID: <20010220211334.J29554@real-time.com> Go figure another BETA from RedHat. This one is called wolverine and I am leeching like a madman to get it. It WILL BE at ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/redhat/beta/wolverine when complete. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From fertch at mninter.net Tue Feb 20 21:24:11 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISDN setup: wvdial, pppd, diald References: <3A93309E.920A1291@mninter.net> <20010220210209.G29554@real-time.com> <3A9333AE.A385EED6@mninter.net> Message-ID: <3A9334DB.64BF18E6@mninter.net> Shawn Fertch wrote: > D'oh! Stupid me... > > "3com Impact IQ" on front panel. 3c882 number listed on the bottom. > It's an external ISDN modem, according to the box it does 230.4Kbps. > Compressed I'm assuming. > > Thanks Bob! See top line above yet again.... Slackware 7.1 is Linux distro being used. Can I just use the setser command to probe for it, and then set it up that way? I'm not using gui, so it's all text based. Yeah, forcing me to learn. Newbie extreme here on this part. Shawn From tanner at real-time.com Tue Feb 20 21:21:29 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fisher2 aka Wolverine aka NEXT Beta release of Redhat In-Reply-To: <20010220211334.J29554@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Tue, Feb 20, 2001 at 09:13:34PM -0600 References: <20010220211334.J29554@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010220212129.K29554@real-time.com> Quoting Bob Tanner (tanner@real-time.com): > Go figure another BETA from RedHat. This one is called wolverine and I am > leeching like a madman to get it. > > It WILL BE at ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/redhat/beta/wolverine when > complete. I have severely limited the incoming ftp connections so that I util max bandwidth to leech this before the installfest. Since it took several days to get fisher, I don't want to risk not having wolverine by installfest. If the limit is to restrictive, send me your IP(s) and I'll make a hole just for you. :-) -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Tue Feb 20 21:22:57 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISDN setup: wvdial, pppd, diald In-Reply-To: <3A9333AE.A385EED6@mninter.net>; from fertch@mninter.net on Tue, Feb 20, 2001 at 09:19:10PM -0600 References: <3A93309E.920A1291@mninter.net> <20010220210209.G29554@real-time.com> <3A9333AE.A385EED6@mninter.net> Message-ID: <20010220212257.L29554@real-time.com> Quoting Shawn Fertch (fertch@mninter.net): > "3com Impact IQ" on front panel. 3c882 number listed on the bottom. > It's an external ISDN modem, according to the box it does 230.4Kbps. > Compressed I'm assuming. Ick. Plugs into the Serial port right? Then you'll need pppd and some sort of chat thingie. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From fertch at mninter.net Tue Feb 20 21:39:26 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISDN setup: wvdial, pppd, diald References: <3A93309E.920A1291@mninter.net> <20010220210209.G29554@real-time.com> <3A9333AE.A385EED6@mninter.net> <20010220212257.L29554@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3A93386E.1D5529A8@mninter.net> Bob Tanner wrote: > > Ick. Plugs into the Serial port right? > > Then you'll need pppd and some sort of chat thingie. > > -- Ick?? I thought external was easiest and best. I don't plan on using the other part of ISDN for phone or fax, purely data. When I run the setserial /dev/ttyS? I get an invalid flag: /dev/ttyS1 when run against ttyS1 I get: /dev/ttyS1, UART: unknown, Port: 0x02f8, IRQ:3 Better info on my part now? Yes, it's connected through a serial port. But for free, I'm not complaining.... From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Feb 20 22:42:47 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fisher2 aka Wolverine aka NEXT Beta release of Redhat In-Reply-To: <20010220211334.J29554@real-time.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Tue, 20 Feb 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > Go figure another BETA from RedHat. WOW. They're actually... FIXING stuff??!? This does kinda suck though. I was going to reinstall from scratch, but I ain't doing a beta (and yes I'm sticking with Red Hat). So I have to wait for the final or feel dumb for reinstalling so soon before a new one comes out... -Yaron -- From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Feb 20 23:59:40 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cdrecord w/IDE In-Reply-To: <3A92AB80.9A92388B@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Tue, Feb 20, 2001 at 11:38:08AM -0600 References: <3A92AB80.9A92388B@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010220235940.C7968@wookimus.net> On Tue, Feb 20, 2001 at 11:38:08AM -0600, Michael Hicks wrote: > I do have a question, and I didn't see it covered in the docs. Can > you use an IDE writer just using 'cdrecord dev=/dev/hdd'? I looked under /usr/share/doc/cdrecord and found the file titled "README.ATAPI.gz". Looking inside, I found a wealth of info which basically amounts to this: you need to enable ATAPI-SCSI support in the kernel. You may have to add an "append=" line to your lilo config or grub config. You then use -scanbus as an option for cdrecord as was described earlier. You will also need the SCSI Generic device drivers as well. Make sure the /dev/sg* devices are present. Good luck. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010220/931be18f/attachment.pgp From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Feb 21 00:13:43 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] installing a system with LVM In-Reply-To: ; from wilson@visi.com on Tue, Feb 20, 2001 at 06:43:51PM -0600 References: <20010220114015.A7968@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20010221001343.D7968@wookimus.net> On Tue, Feb 20, 2001 at 06:43:51PM -0600, Timothy Wilson wrote: > On Tue, 20 Feb 2001, Chad C. Walstrom wrote: > > > Short answer, you can't do it from Potato install disks. However, you > > can do it the long way. > > > > So is the usual way of getting an LVM system to put it on new disks after > the initial install? Is this easier on other distributions of Linux? > > I guess I'm wondering what others do when they want to use LVM. They hack it in. Face it. LVM isn't mainstream yet. It's only stock as of Linux 2.4 and it's still evolving. Every new version of LVM requires a kernel patch and an upgrade to the tools, just like ReiserFS. You're playing with relatively young code. Mature enough to run in production, yes, but young none the less. The fact of the matter is that installing Linux isn't the easiest thing to do, and if you want nose-bleed technology, you've got to bring along the kleenix and bear through it. Besides, there are a number of packages already out there, even for the newest betas. Join the list, explain what you want to do, and get the answers right from the horses mouth. With a little work, your system can look a little like this: Linux skuld 2.4.0 #1 Sat Jan 13 19:32:49 CST 2001 i586 unknown Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/sda2 121M 49M 66M 43% / /dev/sda1 30M 5.4M 23M 19% /boot /dev/vg01/lv_usr 2.0G 1.6G 359M 82% /usr /dev/vg01/lv_usr_local 786M 627M 118M 85% /usr/local /dev/vg01/lv_home 3.0G 2.4G 451M 85% /home /dev/vg01/lv_var 1008M 428M 529M 45% /var /dev/vg01/lv_tmp 248M 46k 235M 1% /tmp Good luck finding a distro, if that's really the selection criteria you wish to use. Frankly, I would put a little elbow grease into the installation process if the maintenance is fairly painless, rather than the other way around. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010221/d8c50617/attachment.pgp From clay at fandre.com Wed Feb 21 06:06:00 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISDN References: <3A9295E6.2CA3845C@mninter.net> Message-ID: <3A93AF28.57C310A2@fandre.com> Shawn Fertch wrote: > > Just got word that my ISDN line was dropped to my house. They're > supposed to be finishing the wiring tomorrow. In getting my > gateway/firewall configured, do I have to have the line connected? I'd > like to try and get the server setup tonight so that tomorrow I can > attempt to dial out. Granted, I can't test the dialing, but the rest > should be able to be set up right? Have you looked into IDSL? (Basically DSL over an ISDN line) It's faster than ISDN and it's always on. But your CO has to support it, and it's looking like CO support is getting worse, not better. From fertch at mninter.net Wed Feb 21 06:22:54 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISDN References: <3A9295E6.2CA3845C@mninter.net> <3A93AF28.57C310A2@fandre.com> Message-ID: <3A93B31E.B09B87E4@mninter.net> Clay Fandre wrote: > Have you looked into IDSL? (Basically DSL over an ISDN line) It's faster > than ISDN and it's always on. But your CO has to support it, and it's > looking like CO support is getting worse, not better. Yep. IDSL, ADSL, you name it. Even cable modem. Nothing's available where I live. I'm less than 1 mile from the Central office, so I more than qualify for DSL in distance. They haven't upgraded the central office yet, and have no plans at this time. AT&T stops short to the house, by two miles. I've offered to run coax for them if they'd give it to me. No deal though. ISDN is the only way at this time. Shawn From blayer at qwest.net Wed Feb 21 15:43:50 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (OT) DVD Drive needed. In-Reply-To: <3A93AF28.57C310A2@fandre.com> References: <3A9295E6.2CA3845C@mninter.net> <3A93AF28.57C310A2@fandre.com> Message-ID: <01022115435001.00476@Homer> Hey all, Anyone have an older internal IDE DVD drive (4x, 6x) that can go cheap? I just need a basic unit to watch movies on. -- -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From blayer at qwest.net Wed Feb 21 15:48:33 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Running linux from CD (Maragda) In-Reply-To: <3A93AF28.57C310A2@fandre.com> References: <3A9295E6.2CA3845C@mninter.net> <3A93AF28.57C310A2@fandre.com> Message-ID: <01022115483302.00476@Homer> Thought I'd mention this as there was some interest recently on running Linux from a bootable CD rom. The latest Linux Journal has an article on just such a distribution which was put together by a fellow in Spain, to use in a teaching environment. He created two versions, one 650MB and one abbreviated to 220MB. The distro is called 'Maragda' and it's based on RedHat (imagine that). Anyway, I've played with it and it seems like a good effort - kind of a 650MB Tom's rtbt... :) Here is the download link: http://navel.eugan.upv.es/maragda (Navel?) -- -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From scottdagastino at yahoo.com Wed Feb 21 10:11:11 2001 From: scottdagastino at yahoo.com (Scott Dagastino) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (OT) DVD Drive needed. In-Reply-To: <01022115435001.00476@Homer> Message-ID: <20010221161111.38177.qmail@web9611.mail.yahoo.com> Try looking at www.tccomputers.com. They sell some dvd roms that are new and inexpensive. --- Bill Layer wrote: > Hey all, > > Anyone have an older internal IDE DVD drive (4x, 6x) > that can go cheap? I > just need a basic unit to watch movies on. > > -- > > > -.bill.layer.- > > -.those who are talking don't know, and those who > know aren't talking.- > > -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- > -.u.s.a.- > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From scottdagastino at yahoo.com Wed Feb 21 10:13:29 2001 From: scottdagastino at yahoo.com (Scott Dagastino) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Running linux from CD (Maragda) In-Reply-To: <01022115483302.00476@Homer> Message-ID: <20010221161329.57949.qmail@web9605.mail.yahoo.com> Since the price of computer equipment (MB, HD, etcs) are so inexpensive, I personaly would never run linux off of a cd. You are limited to not being able to confire the files like httpd and the log files or .bash_profile. That is too limiting for any real practical use. --- Bill Layer wrote: > Thought I'd mention this as there was some interest > recently on running Linux > from a bootable CD rom. The latest Linux Journal has > an article on just such > a distribution which was put together by a fellow in > Spain, to use in a > teaching environment. > > He created two versions, one 650MB and one > abbreviated to 220MB. The distro > is called 'Maragda' and it's based on RedHat > (imagine that). Anyway, I've > played with it and it seems like a good effort - > kind of a 650MB Tom's > rtbt... :) > > Here is the download link: > > http://navel.eugan.upv.es/maragda > > (Navel?) > > -- > > > -.bill.layer.- > > -.those who are talking don't know, and those who > know aren't talking.- > > -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- > -.u.s.a.- > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From wilson at visi.com Wed Feb 21 10:16:54 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Running linux from CD (Maragda) In-Reply-To: <01022115483302.00476@Homer> Message-ID: On Wed, 21 Feb 2001, Bill Layer wrote: > Thought I'd mention this as there was some interest recently on running Linux > from a bootable CD rom. The latest Linux Journal has an article on just such > a distribution which was put together by a fellow in Spain, to use in a > teaching environment. I wonder if this would be useful for me to get lvm running on my new Web server. Chewie was suggesting a modified BBC to get the partitions set up for lvm. Might this be an alternative? Of course, I guess it would need to have support for lvm, reiserfs, and any other goodie that I'd want to install. If you can't tell, I'm still trying to wrap my brain around this process. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Wed Feb 21 09:56:55 2001 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John Joseph Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Running linux from CD (Maragda) In-Reply-To: <20010221161329.57949.qmail@web9605.mail.yahoo.com>; from scottdagastino@yahoo.com on Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 08:13:29AM -0800 References: <01022115483302.00476@Homer> <20010221161329.57949.qmail@web9605.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20010221095655.A8750@mn.rr.com> On Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 08:13:29AM -0800, Scott Dagastino wrote: > Since the price of computer equipment (MB, HD, etcs) > are so inexpensive, I personaly would never run linux > off of a cd. You are limited to not being able to > confire the files like httpd and the log files or > .bash_profile. > > That is too limiting for any real practical use. Funny, but I've thought about doing exactly this for my firewall. Build a CD on a trusted machine with /bin, /usr, /etc. Boot the firewall from CD, and have a local disk for /var, or just syslog to another machine. Maybe some sort of intrusion detection to reboot the machine if needed. Another job for the to-do list... From bexley at daily.umn.edu Wed Feb 21 10:37:59 2001 From: bexley at daily.umn.edu (Benjamin Exley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beermeeting this Thursday the 23rd at Stub and Herbs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3A939A82.25761.193F001C@localhost> > Beer Meeting this Thursday the 23rd at Stub and Herbs. > > Everything you wanted to know about it and more is here: > http://www.mn-linux.org/beermeeting/ One thing: I'm pretty sure that Happy Hour is only from 4-6. We have our I.S. meetings there every week. ----- Benjamin Exley Information Systems Manager The Minnesota Daily bexley@mndaily.com (612) 627-4070 Ext. 3190 From blayer at qwest.net Wed Feb 21 16:54:54 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Running linux from CD (Maragda) In-Reply-To: <20010221161329.57949.qmail@web9605.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20010221161329.57949.qmail@web9605.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <01022116545403.00476@Homer> Hello, On Wednesday 21 February 2001 10:13, you wrote: > Since the price of computer equipment (MB, HD, etcs) > are so inexpensive, I personaly would never run linux > off of a cd. You are limited to not being able to > confire the files like httpd and the log files or > ..bash_profile. Sure, there are a lot of things that won't persist between boots, but take a careful look at the maragda boot process... there is a point where you can give it a floppy (or, potentially another CD media..?) which can contain any files you wish to _override_ the files burned to the CD-rom - things like hosts.deny, hosts.allow, resolv.conf, exports, fstab and on.. you can still run a hard disk, and have it mounted at boot time as a /home/ dir I believe... and obviously, it's all open-source so hack-at-will. I woulod *never* assert that this is a superior method for running linux in the desktop environment, but it does have some great advantages. For instance, running as root gets much less dangerous for a learner, and the system is essentially bullet-proof from crackers, or just the occasional id10t like me. Just try installing a rootkit into a box running from ROM. Also, less installation nightmares for the casual first-time novice. The ThinkNIC (www.thinknic.com) Internet computer / applicance uses this method to run it's OS. It's already apparent that embedded applications are looming large in the future of linux, and this is a good example of a hybrid embedded system. I just like it. -- -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From dcsherman at qwest.net Wed Feb 21 12:57:48 2001 From: dcsherman at qwest.net (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Flash plugin and Mozilla 0.8 In-Reply-To: <3A932F37.5050809@bitstream.net> References: Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010221105529.00a19880@pop.mpls.qwest.net> I downloaded both Mozilla 0.8 and Flash 5 for linux yesterday. Both installed without a hitch, and are running fine. All I did was follow the Flash README instructions for installation. Did you copy both the flash plugin file as well as the Java .class file into your plugins directory? Dave At 09:00 PM 02/20/2001 -0600, you wrote: >I just installed the Flash plugin into my mozilla/plugins directory but >Mozilla doesn't seem to recognize it's existence in any way. I made it >executable has anybody here been through this? > >Thanks, >Brady > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list Dave Sherman SoftServ Business Systems, Inc. "Quid quid latine dictum sit, webmaster@ssbs.com altum viditur." (763) 569-9839 From jacque at fruitioninc.com Wed Feb 21 10:57:03 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beermeeting this Thursday the 23rd at Stub and Herbs In-Reply-To: <3A939A82.25761.193F001C@localhost> Message-ID: wierd, they told me 7 *shrug* > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Benjamin Exley > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 10:38 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Beermeeting this Thursday the 23rd at Stub and > Herbs > > > > Beer Meeting this Thursday the 23rd at Stub and Herbs. > > > > Everything you wanted to know about it and more is here: > > http://www.mn-linux.org/beermeeting/ > > One thing: I'm pretty sure that Happy Hour is only from 4-6. We > have our I.S. meetings there every week. > > ----- > Benjamin Exley > Information Systems Manager > The Minnesota Daily > bexley@mndaily.com > (612) 627-4070 Ext. 3190 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dan at williamsongraphics.com Wed Feb 21 11:44:49 2001 From: dan at williamsongraphics.com (dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Errors from dmesg Message-ID: <3A93FE91.1DD77439@williamsongraphics.com> Hello, I've been having some difficulty with getting my gateway set up and I think I tracked the culprit down. I did a dmesg and found out that I am getting an invalid checksum from one of my NIC's. It doesn't appear to be an interrupt problem. What could be causing this? Also, what is this exception 16 error when checking 386/387 coupling? Is this something to be worried about? I've included excerpts from the dmesg to help. By the way, I am using Caldera Open Server 2.4 on a 300mhz P2 w/128mb RAM. The NIC's are a 3Com 3c5905 and the other is a Netgear FA310TX. Any and all help is appreciated. ... Page-cache hash table entries: 32768 (order: 5, 131072 bytes) VFS: Diskquotas version dquot_6.4.0 initialized Checking 386/387 coupling... OK, FPU using exception 16 error reporting. Checking 'hlt' instruction... OK. POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX ... uhci_control_thread at 88814eb8 3c59x.c:v0.99H 11/17/98 Donald Becker http://cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov/linux/drivers/vortex.html eth0: 3Com 3c905C Tornado at 0x6400, ***INVALID CHECKSUM 002f*** 00:01:02:82:e6:77, IRQ 10 8K byte-wide RAM 5:3 Rx:Tx split, autoselect/Autonegotiate interface. MII transceiver found at address 24, status 7809. Enabling bus-master transmits and whole-frame receives. tulip.c:v0.91g-ppc 7/16/99 becker@cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov eth1: Lite-On 82c168 PNIC rev 32 at 0x6800, 00:A0:CC:59:0F:57, IRQ 9. eth1: MII transceiver #1 config 3000 status 7829 advertising 01e1. Thanks, Dan From bexley at daily.umn.edu Wed Feb 21 12:11:55 2001 From: bexley at daily.umn.edu (Benjamin Exley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beermeeting this Thursday the 23rd at Stub and Herbs In-Reply-To: References: <3A939A82.25761.193F001C@localhost> Message-ID: <3A93B087.24350.19950423@localhost> > wierd, they told me 7 *shrug* Well, either (A) their menus have it listed wrong, or (B) I'm just remembering it wrong. There's a strong possibility of (B). One thing I DO know though: If there is a big U sporting event, Happy Hour is cancelled, and you get the limited "Game Menu". I see from the schedule that the Big Ten Men's Swimming and Diving Championships and a Women's Basketball game will be taking place that day, but I'm not sure either of them will cause the implementation of the game menu or not. Rats, I wish I didn't have a Thursday night class. :( ----- Benjamin Exley Information Systems Manager The Minnesota Daily bexley@mndaily.com (612) 627-4070 Ext. 3190 From dd-b at dd-b.net Wed Feb 21 12:20:35 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] installing a system with LVM In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Timothy Wilson writes: > On 15 Feb 2001, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > > > Timothy Wilson writes: > > > > > This will be my first "real" server install that will be providing Internet > > > services on a large scale. I really want to do things right. > > > > > > I think I'd like to give LVM a try on this beast. > > > > I don't know anything about LVM; this isn't a slam at LVM. But I see > > a problem with "real server install", "do things right", and "give LVM > > try" in connection with the SAME server. You shouldn't be "giving > > things a try" on a critical production server that you want to do > > right. > > I was kidding a bit. I maintain several Web and file servers now, but this > will be the first server that cost more than both of my cars are worth put > together. :-) My hope is that we're reaching a critical mass of sorts in our > school district and use of the Web resources that have been developed so far > will really grow over the next few months. Ah, sticker shock. It's amazing what full-blown commercial servers can cost. I'd *like* to get things like hot-swap power supplies and hot-swap drives, but not enough to actually pay for them. > In general, I'd say that many of us who aren't professional sysadmins worry > a bit when undertaking large projects. Like many other hobbyists or > amateurs, I'm essentially a team of one when it comes to taking care of this > machine. The TCLUG has been an invaluable resource for me whenever > I've stuck my neck out in the past and I'll continue to count on the advice > of the list in the future. Besides, I know that for free beer I could > probably have any number of the pros on the list over to help me out in > person in a matter of minutes. :-) The "gift economy" in action; where what confers status is doing things, including helping people, and hoarding information to onesself gains no status at all. I love it. (I should point out that I'm a software developer professionally, though I've been responsible for a few systems as an adjunct to my main responsibility from time to time. I have been running a server of my own on the Internet since sometime or other around 1993, which has been overall extremely enjoyable.) -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From jacque at fruitioninc.com Wed Feb 21 12:17:34 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beermeeting this Thursday the 23rd at Stub and Herbs In-Reply-To: <3A93B087.24350.19950423@localhost> Message-ID: Theres no "game" that night as you can only make reservations and arrangements on non-game nights. I think it needs to be a hockey, b-ball or football game.. > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Benjamin Exley > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 12:12 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Beermeeting this Thursday the 23rd at Stub and > Herbs > > > > wierd, they told me 7 *shrug* > > Well, either (A) their menus have it listed wrong, or (B) I'm just > remembering it wrong. There's a strong possibility of (B). > > One thing I DO know though: > If there is a big U sporting event, Happy Hour is cancelled, and you > get the limited "Game Menu". I see from the schedule that the Big > Ten Men's Swimming and Diving Championships and a Women's > Basketball game will be taking place that day, but I'm not sure > either of them will cause the implementation of the game menu or > not. > > Rats, I wish I didn't have a Thursday night class. :( > ----- > Benjamin Exley > Information Systems Manager > The Minnesota Daily > bexley@mndaily.com > (612) 627-4070 Ext. 3190 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dd-b at dd-b.net Wed Feb 21 12:28:05 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] installing a system with LVM In-Reply-To: <20010221001343.D7968@wookimus.net> References: <20010220114015.A7968@wookimus.net> <20010221001343.D7968@wookimus.net> Message-ID: "Chad C. Walstrom" writes: > On Tue, Feb 20, 2001 at 06:43:51PM -0600, Timothy Wilson wrote: > > On Tue, 20 Feb 2001, Chad C. Walstrom wrote: > > > > > Short answer, you can't do it from Potato install disks. However, you > > > can do it the long way. > > > > > > > > So is the usual way of getting an LVM system to put it on new disks after > > the initial install? Is this easier on other distributions of Linux? > > > > I guess I'm wondering what others do when they want to use LVM. > > They hack it in. Face it. LVM isn't mainstream yet. It's only stock > as of Linux 2.4 and it's still evolving. Every new version of LVM > requires a kernel patch and an upgrade to the tools, just like > ReiserFS. You're playing with relatively young code. Mature enough > to run in production, yes, but young none the less. Just starting to investigate LVM; I'm wondering how it interacts with MD. Does it replace MD, or can it run with MD, or what? The flexibility in adding space seems great, but I'm currently getting into mirrored or at least parity array storage for lots of stuff. -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From jts at tc.umn.edu Wed Feb 21 12:38:32 2001 From: jts at tc.umn.edu (Joel T Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: installing a system with LVM In-Reply-To: <200102211617.f1LGHDl04416@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: SuSE Linux 7.1 Professional includes both LVM and ReiserFS (as did 7.0): http://www.suse.com/us/products/susesoft/suse71/index.html This might provide a more convenient path toward using and supporting LVM in a production environment. Haven't tried it yet myself, though. Joel On Wed, 21 Feb 2001 Chad C. Walstrom wrote: > Good luck finding a distro, if that's really the selection criteria > you wish to use. From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Wed Feb 21 12:04:21 2001 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John Joseph Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Errors from dmesg In-Reply-To: <3A93FE91.1DD77439@williamsongraphics.com>; from dan@williamsongraphics.com on Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 11:44:49AM -0600 References: <3A93FE91.1DD77439@williamsongraphics.com> Message-ID: <20010221120421.A9018@mn.rr.com> On Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 11:44:49AM -0600, dan wrote: [snip] > 3c59x.c:v0.99H 11/17/98 Donald Becker > http://cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov/linux/drivers/vortex.html > eth0: 3Com 3c905C Tornado at 0x6400, ***INVALID CHECKSUM 002f*** > 00:01:02:82:e6:77, IRQ 10 > 8K byte-wide RAM 5:3 Rx:Tx split, autoselect/Autonegotiate interface. > MII transceiver found at address 24, status 7809. > Enabling bus-master transmits and whole-frame receives. Sounds like this isn't a major concern: http://www.tux.org/hypermail/linux-vortex-bug/2000-Mar/0030.html From dd-b at dd-b.net Wed Feb 21 12:58:28 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vcr -- real-time DivX encoder for your TV card In-Reply-To: <006201c09a80$956a0aa0$3028680a@tgt.com> References: <006201c09a80$956a0aa0$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" writes: > > > > Problem is I'm out of diskspace. So what do you guys say, IBM Deskstar > > 7200RPM 75GB or Matrox 5400RPM 80GB? > > > > Its a nit! Maxtor sucks and IBM rules! Besides, I would take a 7200RPM > over a 5400RPM any day - all else considered. I must admit I haven't had terribly good results with Maxtor drives overall either. Good thing I know about places *other than* Comp USA and Micro Center (which seem to have almost nothing but Maxtor hard drives for some reason). I've been putting in a bunch of the WD 7200 RPM 20 gig drives, 4 in the last couple of months. Of course larger is better for some things, too, but when upgrading a 2 gig web space partition on my server, I figured 20 gig was enough! (And I put in two of them, in a RAID 1 mirror, just for drill). -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From dd-b at dd-b.net Wed Feb 21 13:13:41 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cdrom burners on linux In-Reply-To: <3A92B101.A538FB1A@talkware.net> References: <3A92B101.A538FB1A@talkware.net> Message-ID: Jason Jorgensen writes: > I want to get one of the new plextor 16x's. And I was trying to decide > between the IDE and the SCSI version. > > Why do you not like IDE burners? > > I have all IDE drives in my system so I would have to get a SCSI controller > as well. Well, I'm *really* happy I got the Plextor 121032S (SCSI) version rather than IDE. But I already had SCSI in the system, so that wasn't a consideration. It's much less cpu-intensive, and therefore more independent of other things. I can burn a CD at 12x while playing mp3s and running seti@home in the background without a problem (so far). It also fixed a problem some Windows software upgrade caused where I can't RIP from my IDE CD drive; the scsi drive rips fine. -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From dd-b at dd-b.net Wed Feb 21 13:10:29 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SLAs 4 DSL In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1094AD@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1094AD@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: "Austad, Jay" writes: > Yeah, where do I sign up? Unless you're saying 3x the cost of one of Visi's > business DSL lines which are like $400 something a month. I can get a t-1 > from my house to just about any ISP in town for around $400 a month, but > that doesn't include the ISP charges for bandwidth, that's only the charges > from Qwest. > > Too bad we don't have this here in MPLS: > > http://www.cogentco.com/home.html > > 100Mbps fiber to your house for $1000/month. Unlimited bandwidth, so you > could saturate the line all day if you wanted. I think you get a whole > class C to play with too. :) I'm pretty bad about hemorrhaging money on my networking hobby, but $1000/month is out of my league I'm afraid. The $160 I'm paying now (768k dsl, static ip block) is hard enough to justify. -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From dd-b at dd-b.net Wed Feb 21 13:16:09 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] High capacity mailing list software In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1094BD@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1094BD@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: "Austad, Jay" writes: > Ezmlm! I'm using an ezmlm/qmail setup to blast out a few million messages > per day. Very fast, and with some simple mods, you can make your ezmlm box > send the messages by load balancing between multiple qmail boxes. With 2 > qmail boxes, I can do about 300,000 messages every 15 mins. My code allows > up to 255 qmail boxes, so I could theoretically get much higher. Oh good. I was going to recommend the same thing, but you have considerably better real-world experience with it (the biggest mailing list I host is a monthly newsletter with about 50000 subscribers). -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From dd-b at dd-b.net Wed Feb 21 13:18:56 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Running linux from CD (Maragda) In-Reply-To: <20010221161329.57949.qmail@web9605.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20010221161329.57949.qmail@web9605.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Scott Dagastino writes: > Since the price of computer equipment (MB, HD, etcs) > are so inexpensive, I personaly would never run linux > off of a cd. You are limited to not being able to > confire the files like httpd and the log files or > .bash_profile. > > That is too limiting for any real practical use. In conjunction with NFS, it's not that limiting. Especially for workstation type systems. I'd like to convert a system or two around here to diskless workstation, and CD boot might be the way to do it. -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From ecrist at secure-computing.net Wed Feb 21 14:09:26 2001 From: ecrist at secure-computing.net (Eric F Crist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Other OSes. Message-ID: <01022114092603.63444@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I was just wondering if this list supported FreeBSD or not. I send letters here fairly often, but I never seem to get a reply. In all fairness, no, FreeBSD is not Linux, but it's the *nix family. I just assumed that this list would cover that. If not, maybe I'll have to create a mn-freebsd.org site. Eric -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.1i iQEVAwUBOpQSZlY1QwxgidsZAQEOPAf/dRBnEfBSWCxiX2WRY7j/772dCYsULVSX Lxb94cv//XRgDOQPJxw+/KBmuSNfe4yYpnI9WbE6suhYqUM1ufPLLEefbQqm/XeF 4VQ21ABGT/p6uuC9og8rzqE8SgRE2abey0VgrlzTzjwliwI7kxbA6OavmTkfMDRt FYA0U84MXfTlW5zSukpJBm8uvk6O41eAPBlLMwxAHiX4d1vGq3pZoRLnFYHEoUMF EsrXrwmR4TVXWuwqiLHqUn2J1QULYH3z0YPVh/HJSDtTm8dUK/whNjO7MgS2FM/3 k4CqVzXOnTWaE7jCz5YZ7OETwRCBHDAgUc1iMvMJ46SvsX0pi02A6Q== =sLJa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From goldman at htc.honeywell.com Wed Feb 21 14:14:46 2001 From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Running linux from CD (Maragda) In-Reply-To: <20010221095655.A8750@mn.rr.com> References: <01022115483302.00476@Homer> <20010221161329.57949.qmail@web9605.mail.yahoo.com> <20010221095655.A8750@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <14996.8630.639613.674101@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> >>>>> "JJT" == John Joseph Trammell writes: JJT> On Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 08:13:29AM -0800, Scott Dagastino JJT> wrote: >> Since the price of computer equipment (MB, HD, etcs) are so >> inexpensive, I personaly would never run linux off of a cd. >> You are limited to not being able to confire the files like >> httpd and the log files or .bash_profile. >> >> That is too limiting for any real practical use. JJT> Funny, but I've thought about doing exactly this for my JJT> firewall. Build a CD on a trusted machine with /bin, /usr, JJT> /etc. Boot the firewall from CD, and have a local disk for JJT> /var, or just syslog to another machine. Maybe some sort of JJT> intrusion detection to reboot the machine if needed. JJT> Another job for the to-do list... Actually, there are a number of micro-distributions that do just that. You might want to look into either coyote linux (configure it on your main box, then write a floppy to run on your firewall), gibraltar (one CD firewall distro) or smoothwall (this seems to be aimed more at sharing modems). I've been using coyote myself and think very highly of it. It fits a debian-based firewall on a single floppy (compressed), and then you can write-protect the medium, for the security advantages that Bill points out in his email. R From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Wed Feb 21 14:20:16 2001 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Other OSes. In-Reply-To: <01022114092603.63444@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net>; from ecrist@secure-computing.net on Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 02:09:26PM -0600 References: <01022114092603.63444@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> Message-ID: <20010221142016.B8128@sorry.cs.umn.edu> This has come up many times. Frankly, people want to keep the list Linux-centric, which seems logical considering it's a Linux list. Personally, I use BSD more than Linux, but I still just post Linux stuff to this list. Mike Horwath has a local FreeBSD list. Not high-traffic, but you'll get quick responses... I believe you need to send mail to freebsd-users-request@Geeks.ORG With subscribe in the subject. Or email freebsd-users-admin@Geeks.ORG and ask how to subscribe. I think it's a mailman managed list. Gabe On Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 02:09:26PM -0600, Eric F Crist wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > I was just wondering if this list supported FreeBSD or not. I send letters > here fairly often, but I never seem to get a reply. In all fairness, no, > FreeBSD is not Linux, but it's the *nix family. I just assumed that this > list would cover that. > > If not, maybe I'll have to create a mn-freebsd.org site. > > Eric > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP 6.5.1i > > iQEVAwUBOpQSZlY1QwxgidsZAQEOPAf/dRBnEfBSWCxiX2WRY7j/772dCYsULVSX > Lxb94cv//XRgDOQPJxw+/KBmuSNfe4yYpnI9WbE6suhYqUM1ufPLLEefbQqm/XeF > 4VQ21ABGT/p6uuC9og8rzqE8SgRE2abey0VgrlzTzjwliwI7kxbA6OavmTkfMDRt > FYA0U84MXfTlW5zSukpJBm8uvk6O41eAPBlLMwxAHiX4d1vGq3pZoRLnFYHEoUMF > EsrXrwmR4TVXWuwqiLHqUn2J1QULYH3z0YPVh/HJSDtTm8dUK/whNjO7MgS2FM/3 > k4CqVzXOnTWaE7jCz5YZ7OETwRCBHDAgUc1iMvMJ46SvsX0pi02A6Q== > =sLJa > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "You've really lost it this time....you've lost your mind!" - Ren finds out about Stimpy's Stinky Butt Fantasy in "Son Of Stimpy" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From kbullock at ringworld.org Wed Feb 21 14:33:29 2001 From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin R. Bullock) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Running linux from CD (Maragda) In-Reply-To: <20010221161329.57949.qmail@web9605.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 21 Feb 2001, Scott Dagastino wrote: > Since the price of computer equipment (MB, HD, etcs) > are so inexpensive, I personaly would never run linux > off of a cd. You are limited to not being able to > confire the files like httpd and the log files or > .bash_profile. > > That is too limiting for any real practical use. Just to add another counterexample, I burned myself a copy of the LinuxCare BBC, and I used it around St. John's campus to boot the NT workstations off of. With a few config files on my machine in my dorm room, easily scp'able to the workstation, I could set up any workstation on campus to be used as an X terminal to my box. I'd call that practical use :) Though I'm still working on figuring out if I can do the same thing here at Mankato State... Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa Kevin R. Bullock From ecrist at secure-computing.net Wed Feb 21 14:56:50 2001 From: ecrist at secure-computing.net (Eric F Crist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Other OSes. In-Reply-To: <20010221142016.B8128@sorry.cs.umn.edu> References: <01022114092603.63444@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> <20010221142016.B8128@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <01022114565004.63444@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Which reminds me, he's supposed to get back to me about a job..... On Wednesday 21 February 2001 14:20, you wrote: > This has come up many times. Frankly, people want to keep the list > Linux-centric, which seems logical considering it's a Linux list. > Personally, I use BSD more than Linux, but I still just post Linux stuff to > this list. Mike Horwath has a local FreeBSD list. Not high-traffic, but > you'll get quick responses... > > I believe you need to send mail to > > freebsd-users-request@Geeks.ORG > > With subscribe in the subject. Or email freebsd-users-admin@Geeks.ORG and > ask how to subscribe. I think it's a mailman managed list. > > Gabe > > On Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 02:09:26PM -0600, Eric F Crist wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > > I was just wondering if this list supported FreeBSD or not. I send > > letters here fairly often, but I never seem to get a reply. In all > > fairness, no, FreeBSD is not Linux, but it's the *nix family. I just > > assumed that this list would cover that. > > > > If not, maybe I'll have to create a mn-freebsd.org site. > > > > Eric > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: PGP 6.5.1i > > > > iQEVAwUBOpQSZlY1QwxgidsZAQEOPAf/dRBnEfBSWCxiX2WRY7j/772dCYsULVSX > > Lxb94cv//XRgDOQPJxw+/KBmuSNfe4yYpnI9WbE6suhYqUM1ufPLLEefbQqm/XeF > > 4VQ21ABGT/p6uuC9og8rzqE8SgRE2abey0VgrlzTzjwliwI7kxbA6OavmTkfMDRt > > FYA0U84MXfTlW5zSukpJBm8uvk6O41eAPBlLMwxAHiX4d1vGq3pZoRLnFYHEoUMF > > EsrXrwmR4TVXWuwqiLHqUn2J1QULYH3z0YPVh/HJSDtTm8dUK/whNjO7MgS2FM/3 > > k4CqVzXOnTWaE7jCz5YZ7OETwRCBHDAgUc1iMvMJ46SvsX0pi02A6Q== > > =sLJa > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.1i iQEVAwUBOpQdg1Y1QwxgidsZAQE+Ygf9HkGzX8I3YwsMjtAW8v6x3/YyMofZoxc9 tNSan9F0lHcWS+0Xt0WQUeG71ZMSY9FktXAPzeWw2a19Bz08yLTzHGzRTzxEtLF0 HM/ZPQmcdSXDSoh71zeSVz7TpEwoua+Wt2F0a6QNvkP1j/rYlaYR76qd3TzXIw8v 4pPX5F6mPFrvQszI2gWOkNhVuebtSJ4vr8Ppn/aLRyyPiwWnauyr1uml8yL6SUmP OKUK2WOTuKer1wAdkCdqURCClmDd6I+/At/1VJjdm6F5MWtkZLJjqeRz581LdqR+ 8yCoUQ27XtnCLpPpEgXwlkeeX3SvsmvQ8LDZvf4ShBr14AI+zxgraw== =N34/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From labmat at mn.mediaone.net Wed Feb 21 16:11:18 2001 From: labmat at mn.mediaone.net (Matthew M. LaBerge) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] updated etho dies (netgear) Message-ID: Update on my debian box. Eth0 still dies after somewhere around 12 hours, I've replaced the NIC with the exact same Linksys card with no results. Zibby updated the kernel to 2.4, with still no luck. So like a smart boy I've decided to replace the POS Linksys card with a new Netgear card the FA312 to be exact. I was wondering if someone might be able to guide me through replacing this card. I'm running debian unstable with the new 2.4 kernel, on an AMD k6-2 450 on an ASUS P5A (ALi Aladdin V chipset) eth0 currently runs on interrupt 12. All I need are clear instructions. Thanks for the assistance, ---Office Bitch--- "At your service sir... anything for a raise sir." labmat@mn.mediaone.net labmat@augusttech.com http://www.labmat.net From sos at zjod.net Wed Feb 21 16:20:01 2001 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] updated etho dies (netgear) In-Reply-To: from "Matthew M. LaBerge" at Feb 21, 2001 04:11:18 PM Message-ID: <200102212220.QAA30289@zjod.net> Is this NIC hooked up to mediaone.net and, if so, are you also using pump to manage your dhcp connection (a.k.a. your "dynamic TCP/IP address")? If this is the case, you should know that pump ties itself in knots trying to renew an expired dhcp lease on mediaone.net for some reason. The "fix" for this is to beat it to the punch by sticking a new crontab entry in root's crontab: > 01 * * * * /sbin/pump -i eth0 -R which will renew your lease at 1 minute after each hour... and thereby prevent your dhcp lease (which, on mediaone.net, usually expires 12 hours after being granted) from ever expiring. Hope this helps'idly, -S Matthew M. LaBerge wrote: > > Update on my debian box. Eth0 still dies after somewhere around 12 hours, > I've replaced the NIC with the exact same Linksys card with no results. > Zibby updated the kernel to 2.4, with still no luck. So like a smart boy > I've decided to replace the POS Linksys card with a new Netgear card the > FA312 to be exact. I was wondering if someone might be able to guide me > through replacing this card. I'm running debian unstable with the new 2.4 > kernel, on an AMD k6-2 450 on an ASUS P5A (ALi Aladdin V chipset) eth0 > currently runs on interrupt 12. All I need are clear instructions. > Thanks for the assistance, > ---Office Bitch--- > "At your service sir... anything for a raise sir." > labmat@mn.mediaone.net > labmat@augusttech.com > http://www.labmat.net > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jcook at k-lug.com Wed Feb 21 16:20:47 2001 From: jcook at k-lug.com (Cook, Justin S.) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SLAs 4 DSL References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1094AD@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <006401c09c54$a30b8140$b815020a@winona.msus.edu> this is why god created 'roomates'. =] Justin Cook mailto:jsc@themes.org ----- Original Message ----- From: David Dyer-Bennet To: Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] SLAs 4 DSL > "Austad, Jay" writes: > > > Yeah, where do I sign up? Unless you're saying 3x the cost of one of Visi's > > business DSL lines which are like $400 something a month. I can get a t-1 > > from my house to just about any ISP in town for around $400 a month, but > > that doesn't include the ISP charges for bandwidth, that's only the charges > > from Qwest. > > > > Too bad we don't have this here in MPLS: > > > > http://www.cogentco.com/home.html > > > > 100Mbps fiber to your house for $1000/month. Unlimited bandwidth, so you > > could saturate the line all day if you wanted. I think you get a whole > > class C to play with too. :) > > I'm pretty bad about hemorrhaging money on my networking hobby, but > $1000/month is out of my league I'm afraid. The $160 I'm paying now > (768k dsl, static ip block) is hard enough to justify. > -- > David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net > SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ > Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blackcrow77 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 21 18:02:15 2001 From: blackcrow77 at yahoo.com (ravenmaster) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCPHPUG - Twin Cities PHP User Group Message-ID: <20010222000215.17918.qmail@web804.mail.yahoo.com> To anyone interested PHP, The Twin Cities PHP User Group (tcphpug) is moving it's website. The new site is available at http://tcphp.org. During our last meeting we dicussed the possibility of finding non-profit projects to collaborate on. If you're interested in joining the group please subscribe to our new mailing list: To subscribe to the list, send a message to: The group meets once/month, usually on the 2nd Thursday of the month (subject to change). We're very loosely organized and informal. The website will eventually contain meeting dates/times. Please bear with us as we transition to the new site. -scot __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From brian at nadasutra.net Wed Feb 21 21:47:32 2001 From: brian at nadasutra.net (Brian Dunnette) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian, XFree 4, and Riva 128? Message-ID: <20010221214732.A25806@nadasutra.net> I'm fairly new to Debian, and (itching to get new software) just upgraded from stable to testing. Unfortunately, when I did so, XFree 4.0.2 refused to work (3.3.6 worked just fine with the SVGA server -- now I get a "no screens found" error). Can anyone help me fix up my X configuration? My current XF86Config-4 and the subsequent error messages are attached. Thanks, Brian Dunnette -------------- next part -------------- # XF86Config-4 (XFree86 server configuration file) generated by Dexconf, the # Debian X Configuration tool, using values from the debconf database. # # Edit this file with caution, and see the XF86Config manual page. # (Type "man XF86Config" at the shell prompt.) Section "Files" FontPath "unix/:7100" # local font server # if the local font server has problems, we can fall back on these FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc" FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic" FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled" FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled" FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Type1" FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo" FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi" FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi" EndSection Section "ServerFlags" EndSection Section "Module" Load "ddc" Load "GLcore" Load "dbe" Load "dri" Load "extmod" Load "glx" Load "pex5" Load "record" Load "xie" Load "bitmap" Load "freetype" Load "speedo" Load "type1" Load "vbe" Load "int10" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Generic Keyboard" Driver "keyboard" Option "CoreKeyboard" Option "XkbRules" "xfree86" Option "XkbModel" "pc104" Option "XkbLayout" "us" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Generic Mouse" Driver "mouse" Option "CorePointer" Option "Device" "/dev/psaux" Option "Protocol" "PS/2" EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "Generic Video Card" Driver "apm" EndSection Section "Monitor" Identifier "Generic Monitor" HorizSync 30-70 VertRefresh 50-90 Option "DPMS" EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Default Screen" Device "Generic Video Card" Monitor "Generic Monitor" DefaultDepth 24 SubSection "Display" Depth 1 Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 4 Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 8 Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 15 Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 16 Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 24 Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" EndSubSection EndSection Section "ServerLayout" Identifier "Default Layout" Screen "Default Screen" InputDevice "Generic Keyboard" InputDevice "Generic Mouse" EndSection Section "DRI" Mode 0666 EndSection # end of XF86Config -------------- next part -------------- XFree86 Version 4.0.2 / X Window System (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6400) Release Date: 18 December 2000 If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is newer than the above date, look for a newer version before reporting problems. (See http://www.XFree86.Org/FAQ) Operating System: Linux 2.2.18 i686 [ELF] Module Loader present (==) Log file: "/var/log/XFree86.0.log", Time: Wed Feb 21 21:33:59 2001 (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/XF86Config-4" Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (??) unknown. (==) ServerLayout "Default Layout" (**) |-->Screen "Default Screen" (0) (**) | |-->Monitor "Generic Monitor" (**) | |-->Device "Generic Video Card" (**) |-->Input Device "Generic Keyboard" (**) Option "XkbRules" "xfree86" (**) XKB: rules: "xfree86" (**) Option "XkbModel" "pc104" (**) XKB: model: "pc104" (**) Option "XkbLayout" "us" (**) XKB: layout: "us" (**) |-->Input Device "Generic Mouse" (WW) The directory "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic" does not exist. Entry deleted from font path. (**) FontPath set to "unix/:7100,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Type1,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi" (==) RgbPath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb" (==) ModulePath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules" (--) using VT number 7 (WW) Cannot open APM (II) Module ABI versions: XFree86 ANSI C Emulation: 0.1 XFree86 Video Driver: 0.3 XFree86 XInput driver : 0.1 XFree86 Server Extension : 0.1 XFree86 Font Renderer : 0.2 (II) Loader running on linux (II) LoadModule: "bitmap" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libbitmap.a (II) Module bitmap: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: XFree86 Font Renderer ABI class: XFree86 Font Renderer, version 0.2 (II) Loading font Bitmap (II) LoadModule: "pcidata" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libpcidata.a (II) Module pcidata: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 0.1.0 ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.3 (II) PCI: Probing config type using method 1 (II) PCI: Config type is 1 (II) PCI: stages = 0x03, oldVal1 = 0x00000000, mode1Res1 = 0x80000000 (II) PCI: PCI scan (all values are in hex) (II) PCI: 00:00:0: chip 8086,7180 card 0000,0000 rev 03 class 06,00,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:01:0: chip 8086,7181 card 0000,0000 rev 03 class 06,04,00 hdr 01 (II) PCI: 00:07:0: chip 8086,7110 card 0000,0000 rev 01 class 06,01,00 hdr 80 (II) PCI: 00:07:1: chip 8086,7111 card 0000,0000 rev 01 class 01,01,80 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:07:2: chip 8086,7112 card 0000,0000 rev 01 class 0c,03,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:07:3: chip 8086,7113 card 0000,0000 rev 01 class 06,80,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:0e:0: chip 121a,0001 card 0000,0000 rev 02 class 04,00,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:0f:0: chip 10b7,9050 card 0000,0000 rev 00 class 02,00,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 01:00:0: chip 12d2,0018 card 1092,1092 rev 10 class 03,00,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: End of PCI scan (II) LoadModule: "scanpci" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libscanpci.a (II) Module scanpci: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 0.1.0 ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.3 (II) UnloadModule: "scanpci" (II) Unloading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libscanpci.a (II) Host-to-PCI bridge: (II) PCI-to-ISA bridge: (II) PCI-to-PCI bridge: (II) Bus 0: bridge is at (0:0:0), (-1,0,0), BCTRL: 0x00 (VGA_EN is cleared) (II) Bus 0 I/O range: [0] -1 0x00000000 - 0x0000ffff (0x10000) IX[B] (II) Bus 0 non-prefetchable memory range: [0] -1 0x00000000 - 0xffffffff (0x0) MX[B] (II) Bus 0 prefetchable memory range: [0] -1 0x00000000 - 0xffffffff (0x0) MX[B] (II) Bus 1: bridge is at (0:1:0), (0,1,1), BCTRL: 0x0c (VGA_EN is set) (II) Bus 1 I/O range: (II) Bus 1 non-prefetchable memory range: [0] -1 0x9c000000 - 0x9cffffff (0x1000000) MX[B] (II) Bus 1 prefetchable memory range: [0] -1 0x9a000000 - 0x9affffff (0x1000000) MX[B] (II) Bus -1: bridge is at (0:7:0), (0,-1,0), BCTRL: 0x00 (VGA_EN is cleared) (II) Bus -1 I/O range: (II) Bus -1 non-prefetchable memory range: (II) Bus -1 prefetchable memory range: (--) PCI: (0:14:0) 3Dfx Interactive Voodoo Graphics rev 2, Mem @ 0xfc000000/24 (--) PCI:*(1:0:0) NVidia/SGS-Thomson Riva128 rev 16, Mem @ 0x9c000000/24, 0x9a000000/24 (II) Addressable bus resource ranges are [0] -1 0x00000000 - 0xffffffff (0x0) MX[B] [1] -1 0x00000000 - 0x0000ffff (0x10000) IX[B] (II) OS-reported resource ranges: [0] -1 0xffe00000 - 0xffffffff (0x200000) MX[B](B) [1] -1 0x00100000 - 0x3fffffff (0x3ff00000) MX[B]E(B) [2] -1 0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B] [3] -1 0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B] [4] -1 0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B] [5] -1 0x00000000 - 0x000001ff (0x200) IX[B]E (II) Active PCI resource ranges: [0] -1 0xf8000000 - 0xffffffff (0x8000000) MX[B]E [1] -1 0x9a000000 - 0x9affffff (0x1000000) MX[B](B) [2] -1 0x9c000000 - 0x9cffffff (0x1000000) MX[B](B) [3] -1 0xfc000000 - 0xfcffffff (0x1000000) MX[B](B) [4] -1 0x0000fcc0 - 0x0000fcff (0x40) IX[B]E [5] -1 0x0000fca0 - 0x0000fcbf (0x20) IX[B]E [6] -1 0x0000fc90 - 0x0000fc9f (0x10) IX[B]E (II) PCI Memory resource overlap reduced 0xf8000000 from 0xffffffff to 0xfbffffff (II) Active PCI resource ranges after removing overlaps: [0] -1 0xf8000000 - 0xfbffffff (0x4000000) MX[B]E [1] -1 0x9a000000 - 0x9affffff (0x1000000) MX[B](B) [2] -1 0x9c000000 - 0x9cffffff (0x1000000) MX[B](B) [3] -1 0xfc000000 - 0xfcffffff (0x1000000) MX[B](B) [4] -1 0x0000fcc0 - 0x0000fcff (0x40) IX[B]E [5] -1 0x0000fca0 - 0x0000fcbf (0x20) IX[B]E [6] -1 0x0000fc90 - 0x0000fc9f (0x10) IX[B]E (II) OS-reported resource ranges after removing overlaps with PCI: [0] -1 0xffe00000 - 0xffffffff (0x200000) MX[B](B) [1] -1 0x00100000 - 0x3fffffff (0x3ff00000) MX[B]E(B) [2] -1 0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B] [3] -1 0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B] [4] -1 0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B] [5] -1 0x00000000 - 0x000001ff (0x200) IX[B]E (II) All system resource ranges: [0] -1 0xffe00000 - 0xffffffff (0x200000) MX[B](B) [1] -1 0x00100000 - 0x3fffffff (0x3ff00000) MX[B]E(B) [2] -1 0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B] [3] -1 0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B] [4] -1 0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B] [5] -1 0xf8000000 - 0xfbffffff (0x4000000) MX[B]E [6] -1 0x9a000000 - 0x9affffff (0x1000000) MX[B](B) [7] -1 0x9c000000 - 0x9cffffff (0x1000000) MX[B](B) [8] -1 0xfc000000 - 0xfcffffff (0x1000000) MX[B](B) [9] -1 0x00000000 - 0x000001ff (0x200) IX[B]E [10] -1 0x0000fcc0 - 0x0000fcff (0x40) IX[B]E [11] -1 0x0000fca0 - 0x0000fcbf (0x20) IX[B]E [12] -1 0x0000fc90 - 0x0000fc9f (0x10) IX[B]E (II) LoadModule: "ddc" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libddc.a (II) Module ddc: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.3 (II) LoadModule: "GLcore" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a (II) Module GLcore: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: XFree86 Server Extension, version 0.1 (II) LoadModule: "dbe" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdbe.a (II) Module dbe: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: XFree86 Server Extension ABI class: XFree86 Server Extension, version 0.1 (II) Loading extension DOUBLE-BUFFER (II) LoadModule: "dri" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdri.a (II) Module dri: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: XFree86 Server Extension, version 0.1 (II) Loading extension XFree86-DRI (II) Loading sub module "drm" (II) LoadModule: "drm" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/linux/libdrm.a (II) Module drm: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: XFree86 Server Extension, version 0.1 (II) LoadModule: "extmod" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libextmod.a (II) Module extmod: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: XFree86 Server Extension ABI class: XFree86 Server Extension, version 0.1 (II) Loading extension SHAPE (II) Loading extension MIT-SUNDRY-NONSTANDARD (II) Loading extension BIG-REQUESTS (II) Loading extension SYNC (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER (II) Loading extension XC-MISC (II) Loading extension XFree86-VidModeExtension (II) Loading extension XFree86-Misc (II) Loading extension XFree86-DGA (II) Loading extension DPMS (II) Loading extension FontCache (II) Loading extension TOG-CUP (II) Loading extension Extended-Visual-Information (II) Loading extension XVideo (II) LoadModule: "glx" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.a (II) Module glx: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: XFree86 Server Extension, version 0.1 (II) Loading extension GLX (II) Loading sub module "GLcore" (II) LoadModule: "GLcore" (II) Reloading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a (II) LoadModule: "pex5" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libpex5.a (II) Module pex5: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: XFree86 Server Extension ABI class: XFree86 Server Extension, version 0.1 (II) Loading extension X3D-PEX (II) LoadModule: "record" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/librecord.a (II) Module record: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.13.0 Module class: XFree86 Server Extension ABI class: XFree86 Server Extension, version 0.1 (II) Loading extension RECORD (II) LoadModule: "xie" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libxie.a (II) Module xie: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: XFree86 Server Extension ABI class: XFree86 Server Extension, version 0.1 (II) Loading extension XIE (II) LoadModule: "bitmap" (II) Reloading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libbitmap.a (II) Loading font Bitmap (II) LoadModule: "freetype" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libfreetype.a (II) Module freetype: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.1.8 Module class: XFree86 Font Renderer ABI class: XFree86 Font Renderer, version 0.2 (II) Loading font FreeType (II) LoadModule: "speedo" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libspeedo.a (II) Module speedo: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: XFree86 Font Renderer ABI class: XFree86 Font Renderer, version 0.2 (II) Loading font Speedo (II) LoadModule: "type1" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libtype1.a (II) Module type1: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: XFree86 Font Renderer ABI class: XFree86 Font Renderer, version 0.2 (II) Loading font Type1 (II) Loading font CID (II) LoadModule: "vbe" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libvbe.a (II) Module vbe: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.3 (II) LoadModule: "int10" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/linux/libint10.a (II) Module int10: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.3 (II) LoadModule: "apm" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/apm_drv.o (II) Module apm: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: XFree86 Video Driver ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.3 (II) LoadModule: "mouse" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/input/mouse_drv.o (II) Module mouse: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: XFree86 XInput Driver ABI class: XFree86 XInput driver, version 0.1 (II) APM: driver for the Alliance chipsets: AP6422, AT24, AT3D (II) Primary Device is: PCI 01:00:0 (EE) No devices detected. Fatal server error: no screens found When reporting a problem related to a server crash, please send the full server output, not just the last messages. This can be found in the log file "/var/log/XFree86.0.log". Please report problems to submit@bugs.debian.org. From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Feb 21 22:03:53 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian, XFree 4, and Riva 128? References: <20010221214732.A25806@nadasutra.net> Message-ID: <3A948FA9.CBAC56F4@tc.umn.edu> Brian Dunnette wrote: > > I'm fairly new to Debian, and (itching to get new software) just upgraded from stable to > testing. Unfortunately, when I did so, XFree 4.0.2 refused to work (3.3.6 > worked just fine with the SVGA server -- now I get a "no screens found" error). Can anyone help me fix up my X > configuration? My current XF86Config-4 and the subsequent error messages > are attached. Hi Brian.. Looks like X doesn't like your X server doesn't like the `apm' driver (for Alliance Pro Motion chips, which I've never heard of) you're specifying for the video card in the "Device" section. Since you have an NVidia Riva128, I'd recommend trying the `r128' or `nv' drivers instead. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Bus error (Passengers / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ dumped) \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From brian at nadasutra.net Wed Feb 21 22:22:15 2001 From: brian at nadasutra.net (Brian Dunnette) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian, XFree 4, and Riva 128? Message-ID: <20010221222215.A26510@nadasutra.net> Thanks... changing the driver to "nv" fixed it! (r128 seems to be a Radeon driver... ) Brian Dunnette On Wed, 21 Feb 2001 22:03:53 Michael Hicks wrote: > Brian Dunnette wrote: > > > > I'm fairly new to Debian, and (itching to get new software) just upgraded from stable to > > testing. Unfortunately, when I did so, XFree 4.0.2 refused to work (3.3.6 > > worked just fine with the SVGA server -- now I get a "no screens found" error). Can anyone help me fix up my X > > configuration? My current XF86Config-4 and the subsequent error messages > > are attached. > > Hi Brian.. > > Looks like X doesn't like your X server doesn't like the `apm' driver > (for Alliance Pro Motion chips, which I've never heard of) you're > specifying for the video card in the "Device" section. Since you have > an NVidia Riva128, I'd recommend trying the `r128' or `nv' drivers > instead. > > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Bus error (Passengers > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ dumped) > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kbullock at ringworld.org Thu Feb 22 01:15:35 2001 From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin R. Bullock) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] updated etho dies (netgear) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 21 Feb 2001, Matthew M. LaBerge wrote: > through replacing this card. I'm running debian unstable with the new 2.4 > kernel, on an AMD k6-2 450 on an ASUS P5A (ALi Aladdin V chipset) eth0 > currently runs on interrupt 12. All I need are clear instructions. What do you need instructions on specifically? Just setting up the new card under Linux? Also, if it continues to fail after you get the new card set up, investigate problems with the motherboard. I had a P5A and finally replaced it with an Epox board because I had so many random hardware problems. Now my processor runs about 30 degrees cooler (I also replaced the fan). That in itself fixed a bunch of errors. Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa Kevin R. Bullock From fertch at mninter.net Thu Feb 22 04:38:15 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Wireless connect speed Message-ID: <3A94EC17.E81CF571@mninter.net> I finally got around to playing with my cellular modem and it works okay. Patheticly slow though. Somwhere around 14,4 or slower. Don't have any kind of reference on speed that I can find right now. Is this inherant to the cell phone (Nokia 6162), where I can modify a setting on the phone? Or, is there something I can play with on the laptop to make it go faster? I'll have it at the install fest if anyone would be interested in looking at it then as well. Anyone have any luck or try out Ricochet to see how that works on Linux? I live too far north to get the service. Last time I inquired on it, they stopped at the 694 loop in Maplewood. Forest Lake won't get service for a long time. Shawn From sgrobe at mn.rr.com Thu Feb 22 06:50:27 2001 From: sgrobe at mn.rr.com (Steve Grobe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sparc Stations Message-ID: <3A950B13.13C8EF4B@mn.rr.com> We recently closed one of our east coast offices and now have a few Sparc stations that we don't have any use for. I thought I would offer them up here before they get posted up on ebay. If interested email me at work: steveg@transition.com Specs and pics here http://home.mn.rr.com/sbl/sparc/sparc.html SG, O.S.D. -- When you consider who I am, I am doing pretty good. From bradyh at bitstream.net Thu Feb 22 09:04:50 2001 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Flash plugin and Mozilla 0.8 In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010221105529.00a19880@pop.mpls.qwest.net> References: <3A932F37.5050809@bitstream.net> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20010222090147.00a29df0@mail.bitstream.net> Duh! I had two Mozilla directorys and I was putting the plugins into /usr/local/mozilla/plugins instead of /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins (or vice versa?). Now it works fine. Sometimes the answer is just so simple you miss it. >I downloaded both Mozilla 0.8 and Flash 5 for linux yesterday. Both >installed without a hitch, and are running fine. All I did was follow the >Flash README instructions for installation. Did you copy both the flash >plugin file as well as the Java .class file into your plugins directory? > >Dave > >At 09:00 PM 02/20/2001 -0600, you wrote: >>I just installed the Flash plugin into my mozilla/plugins directory but >>Mozilla doesn't seem to recognize it's existence in any way. I made it >>executable has anybody here been through this? >> >>Thanks, >>Brady From ben at nerp.net Thu Feb 22 09:14:34 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Wireless connect speed In-Reply-To: <3A94EC17.E81CF571@mninter.net> Message-ID: nope.. 14.4 is about as fast as any of the cell systems get right now.. i havn't heard of anything higher than that, besides ricochet. not much you can do about it either :( Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Thu, 22 Feb 2001, Shawn Fertch wrote: > I finally got around to playing with my cellular modem and it works > okay. Patheticly slow though. Somwhere around 14,4 or slower. Don't > have any kind of reference on speed that I can find right now. Is this > inherant to the cell phone (Nokia 6162), where I can modify a setting on > the phone? Or, is there something I can play with on the laptop to make > it go faster? > > I'll have it at the install fest if anyone would be interested in > looking at it then as well. > > Anyone have any luck or try out Ricochet to see how that works on > Linux? I live too far north to get the service. Last time I inquired > on it, they stopped at the 694 loop in Maplewood. Forest Lake won't get > service for a long time. > > > Shawn > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dhanson2 at uswest.net Thu Feb 22 10:22:55 2001 From: dhanson2 at uswest.net (Doug Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest Message-ID: <005901c09ceb$b67dcfc0$eaaf7a81@doug> Hi, I am planning to attend your installfest in March and have a couple of questions. I have an older Power PC I would like to install Linux on, Is this something that I can get help with at the fest? I also have a PC with a IDE RAID controller on it (ABIT KT7-RAID), would this present a problem with installation? Looking forward to the fest!!! Doug dhanson2@qwest.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010222/30cd8180/attachment.htm From blayer at qwest.net Thu Feb 22 17:27:30 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest In-Reply-To: <005901c09ceb$b67dcfc0$eaaf7a81@doug> References: <005901c09ceb$b67dcfc0$eaaf7a81@doug> Message-ID: <01022217273001.00820@Homer> Hi Doug, On Thursday 22 February 2001 10:22, you wrote: > > Hi, > > I am planning to attend your installfest in March and have a > couple of questions. I have an older Power PC I would like to install > Linux on, Is this something that I can get help with at the fest? Sure - but which distribution do you plan to install? Decide this, and bring a copy of it because I doubt that anyone will have a PPC distro along without knowing ahead of time. I'd be happy to d/l whatever you like and burn a CD if this presents a problem for you. Let me know soon. The two PPC distros of which I am aware are: 1) Debian 2) Yellow Dog I'm not sure what the status is of Yellow Dog, but Debian is a mature and well-supported distribution. I've never used the PPC version of either, but I *do* have m68k Debian on two of my older Macs. I > also have a PC with a IDE RAID controller on it (ABIT KT7-RAID), would > this present a problem with installation? No problem. I own that very board and all is well... setting up and booting from the IDE raid (if that is your intent) is more of a BIOS matter than a Linux matter... the HPT370 controller chip on the KT-7 RAID is supported in 2.4 kernels, and may be as well in the latter 2.2 series. See you there! -- -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From tanner at real-time.com Thu Feb 22 11:52:56 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Wireless connect speed In-Reply-To: <3A94EC17.E81CF571@mninter.net>; from fertch@mninter.net on Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 04:38:15AM -0600 References: <3A94EC17.E81CF571@mninter.net> Message-ID: <20010222115256.G2731@real-time.com> Quoting Shawn Fertch (fertch@mninter.net): > Anyone have any luck or try out Ricochet to see how that works on > Linux? I live too far north to get the service. Last time I inquired > on it, they stopped at the 694 loop in Maplewood. Forest Lake won't get > service for a long time. I read on linux today Ricochet is in financial trouble as well. I was going to get the $70/month unlimited access but I live too far south to get it and with news that they might disappear.... -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Thu Feb 22 12:17:08 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest In-Reply-To: <005901c09ceb$b67dcfc0$eaaf7a81@doug>; from dhanson2@uswest.net on Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 10:22:55AM -0600 References: <005901c09ceb$b67dcfc0$eaaf7a81@doug> Message-ID: <20010222121708.K2731@real-time.com> Quoting Doug Hanson (dhanson2@uswest.net): > I am planning to attend your installfest in March and have a > couple of questions. I have an older Power PC I would like to > install > Linux on, Is this something that I can get help with at the fest? I > also have a PC with a IDE RAID controller on it (ABIT KT7-RAID), > would > this present a problem with installation? Looking forward to the > fest!!! The official mirror I bring only has intel stuff on it. :-( If you got a CD for linux PPC I'd be happy to help install it. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From seg at haxxed.com Thu Feb 22 12:57:08 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mac 68k geeks wanted at next installfest. Message-ID: <3A956104.5070905@haxxed.com> Alright, I have a Mac Performa 630 I want to install debian on. But the problem I'm having is partitioning. If someone could bring some System 7.6 or so install disks/CDs that would be great, and/or maybe an external SCSI disk to back up the existing system and various apps that are on it to... And does anyone know if a 630 will work with a 500mb+ disk? (Read: LBA?) The one in it now is only 250mb... Yes this is probably the earliest that apple started using IDE... And if by some chance someone has an extra CDROM drive sled for it so the drive I crammed in there fits right, that would also be great... From ben at nerp.net Thu Feb 22 13:10:36 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mac 68k geeks wanted at next installfest. In-Reply-To: <3A956104.5070905@haxxed.com> Message-ID: rockin.. I'll bring some CD's and my quadra 700, I may even be able to bring a few IIci's to give away if someone would actualy want them ;) I'll also try and remember to bring a box to do network installs from. :) Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Thu, 22 Feb 2001, Callum Lerwick wrote: > Alright, I have a Mac Performa 630 I want to install debian on. But the > problem I'm having is partitioning. If someone could bring some System > 7.6 or so install disks/CDs that would be great, and/or maybe an > external SCSI disk to back up the existing system and various apps that > are on it to... > > And does anyone know if a 630 will work with a 500mb+ disk? (Read: LBA?) > The one in it now is only 250mb... Yes this is probably the earliest > that apple started using IDE... > > And if by some chance someone has an extra CDROM drive sled for it so > the drive I crammed in there fits right, that would also be great... > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From m_nassar at yahoo.com Thu Feb 22 13:08:34 2001 From: m_nassar at yahoo.com (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: linux on mac In-Reply-To: <200102221816.f1MIG6l07906@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010222190834.51229.qmail@web10111.mail.yahoo.com> I just installed YellowDog on a PPC at work... works nicely... it is based on RedHat and RPMs for it are easy to find... i have found it good enough for what i use it for (setiathome) but i am having problems with X... probably a bad video card... i will do my best to be at the installfest and bring my copy (burned from ISO, latest version: 1.2) if you want to install it... if i work late i also have a T1 almost all for myself, if you need any other Distrib let me know. -munir > Hi, > =20 > I am planning to attend your installfest in > March and have a > couple of questions. I have an older Power PC I > would like to install > Linux on, Is this something that I can get help > with at the fest? I > also have a PC with a IDE RAID controller on it > (ABIT KT7-RAID), would > this present a problem with installation? Looking > forward to the > fest!!! ===== -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GAT GIT dpu- s:- a19 C++ UL P+ L+(++) E--- W+ N+ w(--) K? O-- M- V- PS+ PE-(--) Y-- PGP-(---) t 5+++ X R tv-- b+++ D++ DI++ G e+ h+() r- y+ UF++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From foeclan at winternet.com Thu Feb 22 13:38:01 2001 From: foeclan at winternet.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Computer parts at next installfest. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > rockin.. I'll bring some CD's and my quadra 700, I may even be able to > bring a few IIci's to give away if someone would actualy want them ;) > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) On that note, I have a pile 'o computers/parts/cables that I would like to go away. Would it be appropriate to bring them to this to allow people to pick through and take them away to somewhere other than my living room? This includes a large number of network cards (mostly ISA), 486s, pentium 60s, a huge box of cables of various shapes and sizes, processors without motherboards, SIMMs, etc. Michael Vieths Foeclan@Winternet.Com From escargo at anubis.network.com Thu Feb 22 14:18:38 2001 From: escargo at anubis.network.com (David S. Cargo) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Computer parts at next installfest. Message-ID: <200102222018.OAA08320@rainier.network.com> I have been aggitating for almost a year for a "stone soup" computer project, where people bring parts and we build as many complete computers out of them (with Linux installed) as we can. One person even said he's put a site together to help coordinate activities. > From: wade.a.harding@ac.com > Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 12:05:19 -0500 > > I've registered a new domain name for stone soup projects. I'll post > again when the site is up. But I haven't heard anything since then. I did manage to give away a couple of Wyse terminals, but I was unsuccessful giving away a 386 system. dsc From fertch at mninter.net Thu Feb 22 14:09:57 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Computer parts at next installfest. References: Message-ID: <3A957215.B5EDCCE2@mninter.net> Whoo hoo! I'd be happy to dig through it. Building another older machine at home. Got the mainboard, need the rest.... Michael Vieths wrote: > > > rockin.. I'll bring some CD's and my quadra 700, I may even be able to > > bring a few IIci's to give away if someone would actualy want them ;) > > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > On that note, I have a pile 'o computers/parts/cables that I would like to > go away. Would it be appropriate to bring them to this to allow people to > pick through and take them away to somewhere other than my living room? > This includes a large number of network cards (mostly ISA), 486s, pentium > 60s, a huge box of cables of various shapes and sizes, processors > without motherboards, SIMMs, etc. > > Michael Vieths > Foeclan@Winternet.Com > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blayer at qwest.net Thu Feb 22 20:45:10 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mac 68k geeks wanted at next installfest. In-Reply-To: <3A956104.5070905@haxxed.com> References: <3A956104.5070905@haxxed.com> Message-ID: <01022220451002.00820@Homer> Hiya, On Thursday 22 February 2001 12:57, you wrote: > Alright, I have a Mac Performa 630 I want to install debian on. But the > problem I'm having is partitioning. If someone could bring some System > 7.6 or so install disks/CDs that would be great, and/or maybe an > external SCSI disk to back up the existing system and various apps that > are on it to... I'm planning on bringing a whole m68k setup, and since you asked, I'll haul along a few extra bits.. I use OnTrack Disk Manager for mac to partition for *nix OSes. I'll bring my m68k Potato and Slink base sets, and system 7.01 and 7.6 as well. NetBSD 1.5 m68k too, if anyone wants it. > And does anyone know if a 630 will work with a 500mb+ disk? (Read: LBA?) > The one in it now is only 250mb... Yes this is probably the earliest > that apple started using IDE... Macs usually don't have problems with IDE disks, that's more the legacy of Intel BIOS. -- -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From blayer at qwest.net Thu Feb 22 20:48:58 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Computer parts at next installfest. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01022220485704.00820@Homer> Me again, > On that note, I have a pile 'o computers/parts/cables that I would like to > go away. Would it be appropriate to bring them to this to allow people to > pick through and take them away to somewhere other than my living room? Y-E-S! Got any older PPC Macs? ;) -- -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From blayer at qwest.net Thu Feb 22 20:52:06 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Opera 5.0 beta6 sucks less. In-Reply-To: <3A957215.B5EDCCE2@mninter.net> References: <3A957215.B5EDCCE2@mninter.net> Message-ID: <01022220520605.00820@Homer> Has anyone played with Opera 5.0 Beta 6 yet? It seems a big improvement over the last Beta. No JAVA or SSL working yet (?) but many other things are way smoothed out. God I want to ditch Netscape... -- -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Feb 22 15:06:17 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Opera 5.0 beta6 sucks less. In-Reply-To: <01022220520605.00820@Homer> Message-ID: Hi, On Thu, 22 Feb 2001, Bill Layer wrote: > God I want to ditch Netscape... Mozilla! -Yaron -- From dhanson2 at uswest.net Thu Feb 22 15:14:46 2001 From: dhanson2 at uswest.net (Doug Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest References: <005901c09ceb$b67dcfc0$eaaf7a81@doug> <01022217273001.00820@Homer> Message-ID: <00ca01c09d14$7c212e70$eaaf7a81@doug> Bill, I am more aquatinted with Debian than Yellow Dog. I do not have a distro for the PPC. If you know of anyone or if you can get one that would be great. I do have DSL and a burner. Can you point me to an Ftp site with the correct distro and I can toast one. I will be booting Linux on the KT7 from one of the non-raid controllers, a 5gb WD drive Thanks, Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Layer" To: Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Installfest > Hi Doug, > > On Thursday 22 February 2001 10:22, you wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I am planning to attend your installfest in March and have a > > couple of questions. I have an older Power PC I would like to install > > Linux on, Is this something that I can get help with at the fest? > > Sure - but which distribution do you plan to install? Decide this, and bring > a copy of it because I doubt that anyone will have a PPC distro along without > knowing ahead of time. I'd be happy to d/l whatever you like and burn a CD if > this presents a problem for you. Let me know soon. > > The two PPC distros of which I am aware are: > > 1) Debian > 2) Yellow Dog > > I'm not sure what the status is of Yellow Dog, but Debian is a mature and > well-supported distribution. I've never used the PPC version of either, but I > *do* have m68k Debian on two of my older Macs. > > I > > also have a PC with a IDE RAID controller on it (ABIT KT7-RAID), would > > this present a problem with installation? > > No problem. I own that very board and all is well... setting up and booting > from the IDE raid (if that is your intent) is more of a BIOS matter than a > Linux matter... the HPT370 controller chip on the KT-7 RAID is supported in > 2.4 kernels, and may be as well in the latter 2.2 series. > > See you there! > > -- > > > -.bill.layer.- > > -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- > > -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From dhanson2 at uswest.net Thu Feb 22 15:17:04 2001 From: dhanson2 at uswest.net (Doug Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: linux on mac References: <20010222190834.51229.qmail@web10111.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00d201c09d14$ce1a22e0$eaaf7a81@doug> Munir, Can you point me to the FTP site for Yellow Dog? I can D/L and toast a CD in case you are not there. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Munir Nassar" To: Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 1:08 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Re: linux on mac > I just installed YellowDog on a PPC at work... works > nicely... it is based on RedHat and RPMs for it are > easy to find... i have found it good enough for what i > use it for (setiathome) but i am having problems with > X... probably a bad video card... > > i will do my best to be at the installfest and bring > my copy (burned from ISO, latest version: 1.2) if you > want to install it... if i work late i also have a T1 > almost all for myself, if you need any other Distrib > let me know. > > -munir > > > Hi, > > =20 > > I am planning to attend your installfest in > > March and have a > > couple of questions. I have an older Power PC I > > would like to install > > Linux on, Is this something that I can get help > > with at the fest? I > > also have a PC with a IDE RAID controller on it > > (ABIT KT7-RAID), would > > this present a problem with installation? Looking > > forward to the > > fest!!! > > > > ===== > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > Version: 3.12 > GAT GIT dpu- s:- a19 C++ UL P+ L+(++) E--- W+ N+ w(--) K? O-- M- V- PS+ PE-(--) Y-- PGP-(---) t 5+++ X R tv-- b+++ D++ DI++ G e+ h+() r- y+ UF++ > ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From tanner at real-time.com Thu Feb 22 15:21:08 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Wolverine is here and online Message-ID: <20010222152108.D2731@real-time.com> Yeah! We are one of the first mirrors to get a complete copy of wolverine. So come and get it! ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/redhat/beta/wolverine/ -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Thu Feb 22 15:24:09 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest In-Reply-To: <00ca01c09d14$7c212e70$eaaf7a81@doug>; from dhanson2@uswest.net on Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 03:14:46PM -0600 References: <005901c09ceb$b67dcfc0$eaaf7a81@doug> <01022217273001.00820@Homer> <00ca01c09d14$7c212e70$eaaf7a81@doug> Message-ID: <20010222152409.E2731@real-time.com> Quoting Doug Hanson (dhanson2@uswest.net): > Bill, > > I am more aquatinted with Debian than Yellow Dog. I do not have a > distro for the PPC. If you know of anyone or if you can get one that would > be great. I do have DSL and a burner. Can you point me to an Ftp site with > the correct distro and I can toast one. I will be booting Linux on the KT7 > from one of the non-raid controllers, a 5gb WD drive If you can point me where an ISO of PPC and 68K are I can put them into: ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/misc_iso/ -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jacque at fruitioninc.com Thu Feb 22 15:28:02 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: linux on mac In-Reply-To: <00d201c09d14$ce1a22e0$eaaf7a81@doug> Message-ID: Doug- The ftp info is here: http://www.yellowdoglinux.com/resources/ftp_mirrors.shtml and when you say toast, are you actually using Toast on the mac? I had a problem a few years back with macOS truncating file names when I downloaded yellowdog. It looks like they have iso images now, so maybe that won't be a problem Jacque From spencer at sihope.com Thu Feb 22 16:51:42 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (Spencer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] just dreaming Message-ID: <3A9597FE.618005A4@sihope.com> I have an idea. I just wanted to think out loud before I do any research. I want to boot into windoze on hda while a ext2 resides on hdb as say, the slave. Can I mount the ext2 partition over the network from a remote Linux box. -- Spencer Underground http://autonomous.tv under construction ======= ======= ======= = = = = = = =*****= =*****= =*****= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = underground... From dhanson2 at uswest.net Thu Feb 22 15:53:54 2001 From: dhanson2 at uswest.net (Doug Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: linux on mac References: Message-ID: <001901c09d19$f3757bc0$eaaf7a81@doug> Thanks, No I will be burning it on a Windoze box with CD Creator (ugh) Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacqueline Urick" To: Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 3:28 PM Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Re: linux on mac > Doug- > > The ftp info is here: > http://www.yellowdoglinux.com/resources/ftp_mirrors.shtml > > and when you say toast, are you actually using Toast on the mac? I had a > problem a few years back with macOS truncating file names when I downloaded > yellowdog. It looks like they have iso images now, so maybe that won't be a > problem > > > Jacque > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From foeclan at winternet.com Thu Feb 22 16:11:34 2001 From: foeclan at winternet.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Computer parts at next installfest. In-Reply-To: <01022220485704.00820@Homer> Message-ID: > > Got any older PPC Macs? ;) > > -.bill.layer.- Afraid not. I have an old Macintosh Plus with no hard drive, mouse, or keyboard, if anyone wants a fishtank? :) Michael Vieths Foeclan@Winternet.Com From andyzb at ltiflex.com Thu Feb 22 16:12:01 2001 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] just dreaming In-Reply-To: <3A9597FE.618005A4@sihope.com> Message-ID: <200102222215.QAA00831@yoda.ltiflex.com> > I want to boot into windoze on hda while a ext2 resides on hdb as say, > the slave. > Can I mount the ext2 partition over the network from a remote Linux box. So you want to mount the linux drive on hdb on a remote computer while the host computer is in Linux? Well, yes and no. No because Windows doesn't understand ext2 filesystems or NFS. (Without extra drivers anyway.) Yes because a ext2 filesystem driver for windows is at http://www.yipton.demon.co.uk/content.html (Win95, search google for other windows versions.) and because Linux understands SMB. You should note that there is no security with the ext2fs for windows drivers, so you can see everything. (maybe not a good idea if the windows box isn't secure!) but the driver is read only so no damage can really be done. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From goldman at htc.honeywell.com Thu Feb 22 16:20:34 2001 From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Opera 5.0 beta6 sucks less. In-Reply-To: References: <01022220520605.00820@Homer> Message-ID: <14997.37042.590726.742866@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> >>>>> "Y" == Yaron writes: Y> Hi, On Thu, 22 Feb 2001, Bill Layer wrote: >> God I want to ditch Netscape... Y> Mozilla! Actually, I've been using Mozilla 0.8 and Konqueror and I'd have to say that I have a small preference for Konqueror. I've found it to be very solid and zippy. And I like that it's simpler (who wanted to have a dang email program in their browser, anyway?). For what it's worth... From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Feb 22 16:22:39 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] just dreaming Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1094DA@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> nope > -----Original Message----- > From: Spencer [mailto:spencer@sihope.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 4:52 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] just dreaming > > > I have an idea. I just wanted to think out loud before I do any > research. > I want to boot into windoze on hda while a ext2 resides on hdb as say, > the slave. > Can I mount the ext2 partition over the network from a remote > Linux box. > > -- > Spencer Underground > http://autonomous.tv under construction > > ======= ======= ======= > = = = = = = > =*****= =*****= =*****= > = = = = = = > = = = = = = > = = = = = = underground... > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dkleist at acm.org Thu Feb 22 16:31:22 2001 From: dkleist at acm.org (Dave Kleist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Opera 5.0 beta6 sucks less. In-Reply-To: <01022220520605.00820@Homer>; from blayer@qwest.net on Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 20:52:06 -0600 References: <3A957215.B5EDCCE2@mninter.net> <01022220520605.00820@Homer> Message-ID: <20010222163122.G909@coder> Yea, been using Opera as the main browser for a month or so, Beta 6 for about a week or so. Much better, less prone to crashing out than b5. Printing was the big thing I was looking for. I like it, though I haven't tried Mozilla to know if one is preferable over the other (I couldn't stand Netscape which is why I got Opera). - Dave On 2001.02.22 20:52:06 -0600 Bill Layer wrote: > Has anyone played with Opera 5.0 Beta 6 yet? It seems a big improvement > over > the last Beta. No JAVA or SSL working yet (?) but many other things are > way > smoothed out. > > God I want to ditch Netscape... > -- Dave Kleist dkleist@acm.org "The covers of this book are too far apart." - Ambrose Bierce From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Feb 22 16:42:53 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Opera 5.0 beta6 sucks less. In-Reply-To: <14997.37042.590726.742866@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Thu, 22 Feb 2001, Robert P. Goldman wrote: > Actually, I've been using Mozilla 0.8 and Konqueror and I'd have to > say that I have a small preference for Konqueror. I've found it to be > very solid and zippy. And I like that it's simpler (who wanted to > have a dang email program in their browser, anyway?). I'm using Mozilla Nightly Builds (although last night's build refused to start!). No Email program in MY browser - you can select not to install it. -Yaron -- From sgrobe at mn.rr.com Thu Feb 22 17:45:06 2001 From: sgrobe at mn.rr.com (Steve Grobe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Computer parts at next installfest. References: <3A957215.B5EDCCE2@mninter.net> Message-ID: <3A95A482.EFEFFC07@mn.rr.com> What do you mean by older? I have an old 486/80 (I think it's an 80) with a 500MB HD, CDROM, 48MB RAM. You can have it for parts if you come get it. I think it's an older Micron system but I am not sure. It even has a AMD based ISA NIC in it, ooooooooohhhhhhhhh. I might even have an old 14" monitor laying around............. Too much stuff. I can't make it to the installfest but let me know if you are interested. SG, O.S.D. Shawn Fertch wrote: > > Whoo hoo! I'd be happy to dig through it. Building another older > machine at home. Got the mainboard, need the rest.... > > Michael Vieths wrote: > > > > > rockin.. I'll bring some CD's and my quadra 700, I may even be able to > > > bring a few IIci's to give away if someone would actualy want them ;) > > > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > > > On that note, I have a pile 'o computers/parts/cables that I would like to > > go away. Would it be appropriate to bring them to this to allow people to > > pick through and take them away to somewhere other than my living room? > > This includes a large number of network cards (mostly ISA), 486s, pentium > > 60s, a huge box of cables of various shapes and sizes, processors > > without motherboards, SIMMs, etc. > > > > Michael Vieths > > Foeclan@Winternet.Com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- When you consider who I am, I am doing pretty good. From ecrist at ardent-hacker.net Thu Feb 22 18:00:26 2001 From: ecrist at ardent-hacker.net (Eric F Crist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] News Servers. Message-ID: <0102221800260J.63444@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hey, I need to find a good, anonymous, or if they'll give me user/pass, validated news server. Thanks, Eric -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.1i iQEVAwUBOpWaClY1QwxgidsZAQENVQf+OBAeZhLFK+c4OR+mTbiOZ0aQnOsA6cbM FCZBa66rCf9VjfIO1T78QOtq+6GklF1sFfPE3Zm8NfTxS/VdbSEx8VXulpBHQ6+r zy0GqeaIqwa1oQdcK1twEbTXtLCg4ziXE/bHR+qGsGBpwIWnLT4LVjfBncBIwRN2 lgKyFcReIWa3t/bUCGbd9bSZIcOrmcHCQqaw/D8yc8IFiMF7JXICUSMpRuEFEmfp samV+lKj/JIqCdmto117VUUrqc1NG0J6XqTC/wplZ22rtSs9AjlPzFpbI9Ky5UIL 9xm5Tb8d8NsZpXZc+0Q5XQMrEv3475WkQuykC3We4ODC+T9v0ueKCQ== =ezYQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sgrobe at mn.rr.com Thu Feb 22 18:00:13 2001 From: sgrobe at mn.rr.com (Steve Grobe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Computer parts at next installfest. References: <01022220485704.00820@Homer> Message-ID: <3A95A80D.D5772EB6@mn.rr.com> Older PPC Macs? I have a bunch o' them at work that we are trying to get rid of. I couldn't give 'em to you but I bet I could sell them to you cheap. I can't remember the specs off hand but I think most of them are 75MHz PPC machines with 500MB hard drives and varying amounts of RAM. Send me an email at work if you are interested. steveg@transition.com SG, O.S.D. Bill Layer wrote: > > Me again, > > > On that note, I have a pile 'o computers/parts/cables that I would like to > > go away. Would it be appropriate to bring them to this to allow people to > > pick through and take them away to somewhere other than my living room? > > Y-E-S! > > Got any older PPC Macs? ;) > > -- > > -.bill.layer.- > > -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- > > -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- When you consider who I am, I am doing pretty good. From m_nassar at yahoo.com Thu Feb 22 17:57:51 2001 From: m_nassar at yahoo.com (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #704 - 17 msgs In-Reply-To: <200102222200.f1MM0wl14978@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010222235751.6121.qmail@web10109.mail.yahoo.com> i usually go to ftp://carroll.cac.psu.edu they only allow 25 connection/50 at night and DL speeds are not bad... it takes a few hours for an ISO ... they mirror quite a few distribs and other "free" OSes too (BSD and the like) take a look, and as i said i have a T1 here at work all for myself if you need anything downloaded and burned just let me know... -munir > Munir, > > Can you point me to the FTP site for Yellow Dog? > I can D/L and toast a > CD in case you are not there. > > Doug > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Munir Nassar" > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 1:08 PM > Subject: [TCLUG] Re: linux on mac > > > > I just installed YellowDog on a PPC at work... > works > > nicely... it is based on RedHat and RPMs for it > are > > easy to find... i have found it good enough for > what i > > use it for (setiathome) but i am having problems > with > > X... probably a bad video card... > > > > i will do my best to be at the installfest and > bring > > my copy (burned from ISO, latest version: 1.2) if > you > > want to install it... if i work late i also have > a T1 > > almost all for myself, if you need any other > Distrib > > let me know. > > > > -munir > > ===== -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GAT GIT dpu- s:- a19 C++ UL P+ L+(++) E--- W+ N+ w(--) K? O-- M- V- PS+ PE-(--) Y-- PGP-(---) t 5+++ X R tv-- b+++ D++ DI++ G e+ h+() r- y+ UF++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From andy at theasis.com Thu Feb 22 17:55:33 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Computer parts at next installfest. In-Reply-To: <3A95A482.EFEFFC07@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: > Too much stuff. > > I can't make it to the installfest but let me know if you are > interested. Maybe we should get someone with a van (dumptruck?) to volunteer to run around and make pickups of all this old junk, then deliver it to each installfest, where enthusiastic volunteers will collaborate to assemble and configure as many systems as possible, then raffle off the results at the end of the fest. "Hey, I got a router! "I got a loghost and backup server!" "awww, all I got was a matching set of doorstops." Andy > > SG, O.S.D. From nate at techie.com Thu Feb 22 17:56:39 2001 From: nate at techie.com (nate@techie.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Computer parts at next installfest. In-Reply-To: ; from foeclan@winternet.com on Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 04:11:34PM -0600 References: <01022220485704.00820@Homer> Message-ID: <20010222175639.A15081@candle.dyn.dhs.org> On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 04:11:34PM -0600, Michael Vieths wrote: > > Got any older PPC Macs? ;) > > -.bill.layer.- > > Afraid not. I have an old Macintosh Plus with no hard drive, mouse, or > keyboard, if anyone wants a fishtank? :) Fishtank? I've been wanting to do that for a while. I'll take it! Nate From sgrobe at mn.rr.com Thu Feb 22 18:44:27 2001 From: sgrobe at mn.rr.com (Steve Grobe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Computer parts at next installfest. References: Message-ID: <3A95B26B.80A29CE2@mn.rr.com> I have a pickup we could use at the installfest/meeting after March 3, but it's just a little Toyota and I don't know if it would hold all of it. :-P Crap, now I gotta buy a bigger truck. So much for Linux being free. So many doorstops, so little time. SG, O.S.D. andy@theasis.com wrote: > > > Too much stuff. > > > > I can't make it to the installfest but let me know if you are > > interested. > > Maybe we should get someone with a van (dumptruck?) to volunteer to run > around and make pickups of all this old junk, then deliver it to each > installfest, where enthusiastic volunteers will collaborate to assemble > and configure as many systems as possible, then raffle off the results at > the end of the fest. > > "Hey, I got a router! > "I got a loghost and backup server!" > "awww, all I got was a matching set of doorstops." > > Andy > > > > > SG, O.S.D. > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- When you consider who I am, I am doing pretty good. From tanner at real-time.com Thu Feb 22 19:05:53 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] yellow dog iso Message-ID: <20010222190553.A29628@real-time.com> I got the yellow dog iso up. ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/misc_iso/ ydl-cs-1.2.1-install.iso -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Thu Feb 22 19:14:21 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OpenOffice and STL4 Message-ID: <20010222191421.B29628@real-time.com> Ever since Build 613+ and the use of STL4 I cannot get open office to compile because of the dependency of STL4. Anyone out there building openoffice? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From dhanson2 at uswest.net Thu Feb 22 19:23:01 2001 From: dhanson2 at uswest.net (Doug Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] yellow dog iso References: <20010222190553.A29628@real-time.com> Message-ID: <003101c09d37$2a0e0d60$0200000a@charizard> Thanks Bob, I needed that ;)~ Now I can bring the Mac to the installfest Hoooyaaa Nice D/L speed tooo Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Tanner" To: Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 7:05 PM Subject: [TCLUG] yellow dog iso > I got the yellow dog iso up. > > ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/misc_iso/ > > > ydl-cs-1.2.1-install.iso > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From jack at jacku.com Thu Feb 22 19:57:14 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest In-Reply-To: <00ca01c09d14$7c212e70$eaaf7a81@doug> References: <005901c09ceb$b67dcfc0$eaaf7a81@doug> <01022217273001.00820@Homer> <00ca01c09d14$7c212e70$eaaf7a81@doug> Message-ID: <01022219571400.01203@geezer> Another PPC distro is SuSE 7.0. I just checked the website and didn't see an ISO image but distro can be gotten from ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/ppc/7.0. SuSE has been my preferred x86 distro for a while now, I don't do Macs so I don't know how the PPC distro compares to the Intel SuSE or other PPC versions. Jack On Thursday 22 February 2001 15:14, you wrote: > Bill, > > I am more aquatinted with Debian than Yellow Dog. I do not have a > distro for the PPC. If you know of anyone or if you can get one that would > be great. I do have DSL and a burner. Can you point me to an Ftp site > with the correct distro and I can toast one. I will be booting Linux on > the KT7 from one of the non-raid controllers, a 5gb WD drive > > Thanks, > > Doug > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Layer" > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 5:27 PM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Installfest > > > Hi Doug, > > > > On Thursday 22 February 2001 10:22, you wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I am planning to attend your installfest in March and have a > > > couple of questions. I have an older Power PC I would like to install > > > Linux on, Is this something that I can get help with at the fest? > > > > Sure - but which distribution do you plan to install? Decide this, and > > bring > > > a copy of it because I doubt that anyone will have a PPC distro along > > without > > > knowing ahead of time. I'd be happy to d/l whatever you like and burn a > > CD > > if > > > this presents a problem for you. Let me know soon. > > > > The two PPC distros of which I am aware are: > > > > 1) Debian > > 2) Yellow Dog > > > > I'm not sure what the status is of Yellow Dog, but Debian is a mature and > > well-supported distribution. I've never used the PPC version of either, > > but I > > > *do* have m68k Debian on two of my older Macs. > > > > I > > > > > also have a PC with a IDE RAID controller on it (ABIT KT7-RAID), would > > > this present a problem with installation? > > > > No problem. I own that very board and all is well... setting up and > > booting > > > from the IDE raid (if that is your intent) is more of a BIOS matter than > > a Linux matter... the HPT370 controller chip on the KT-7 RAID is > > supported > > in > > > 2.4 kernels, and may be as well in the latter 2.2 series. > > > > See you there! > > > > -- > > > > > > -.bill.layer.- > > > > -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- > > > > -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dmonie at futurestat.com Thu Feb 22 20:07:32 2001 From: dmonie at futurestat.com (Dileep D. Monie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IDE rack suggestions Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010222194135.009e3830@pop.goldengate.net> I'm currently looking to add a second IDE HDD (for RH Linux) to my existing Win98 box. Since my case is rather awkward and I have an available 5.25-in. bay, I wish to install a removable rack. I found a few at http://www.enhance-tech.com/ but their selection is rather limited. I am hoping that someone has a few suggestions for a quality rack. If it is available locally all the better (I'm the touchy-feely kind). My requirements are: ATA/100, internal fan (for 7200 rpm drive), auto-door set, keylock/power switch, power/disk LEDs, and a forceless handle. On the same subject, I'm deciding between a Maxtor and an IBM HDD. Tech specs aside, which offers better Linux compatibility as far as firmware and utilities are concerned? Finally, is there a GNU app. that is comparable to PowerQuest's Partition Magic (I got hooked with OpenLinux), in the sense that there is low probability of data loss (when re-partitioning and changing file systems) and includes a boot utility? TIA, Dileep From pbujold at guanotronic.com Thu Feb 22 20:19:34 2001 From: pbujold at guanotronic.com (Paul Bujold) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pre Open Firmware PPC In-Reply-To: <3A956104.5070905@haxxed.com>; from seg@haxxed.com on Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 12:57:08PM -0600 References: <3A956104.5070905@haxxed.com> Message-ID: <20010222211934.A12963@guanotronic.com> While we are on the suject, does anyone have expereance installing linux on pre open firmware PPCs? From what I've been able to gather only MKlinux will run on it(it's a Performa6200CD). I will probly bring it to the install fest if anyone can verify this info. From atebbe at real-time.com Thu Feb 22 20:42:45 2001 From: atebbe at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] pcmcia.img vs pcmciadd.img Message-ID: <20010222204245.T19497@real-time.com> what is the difference between pcmcia.img and pcmciadd.img? trying to install wolverine on my laptop. if i boot with pcmcia.img i get the error "failed to boot - please try another disk". if i boot with pcmciadd.img it ignores the floppy and boots from my harddrive if i boot from bootnet, it boots but does not have any pcmcia network drivers to choose from. there's an option to put in a drivers disk but i'm not sure where to get that. any help is appreciated. -- Amy Tanner Voice: 952.943.8700 Real Time Enterprises, Inc. Fax: 952.943.8500 amy@real-time.com http://www.real-time.com GPG Fingerprint: DAC7 E1B2 80D9 3099 1A20 0817 2DFE 5086 81B3 5466 From veldy at veldy.net Thu Feb 22 22:44:15 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] News Servers. References: <0102221800260J.63444@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> Message-ID: <000801c09d53$465b2a40$1d750140@Veldhouse.veldy.net> www.easynews.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric F Crist" To: Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 6:00 PM Subject: [TCLUG] News Servers. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hey, I need to find a good, anonymous, or if they'll give me user/pass, > validated news server. > > Thanks, > > Eric > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP 6.5.1i > > iQEVAwUBOpWaClY1QwxgidsZAQENVQf+OBAeZhLFK+c4OR+mTbiOZ0aQnOsA6cbM > FCZBa66rCf9VjfIO1T78QOtq+6GklF1sFfPE3Zm8NfTxS/VdbSEx8VXulpBHQ6+r > zy0GqeaIqwa1oQdcK1twEbTXtLCg4ziXE/bHR+qGsGBpwIWnLT4LVjfBncBIwRN2 > lgKyFcReIWa3t/bUCGbd9bSZIcOrmcHCQqaw/D8yc8IFiMF7JXICUSMpRuEFEmfp > samV+lKj/JIqCdmto117VUUrqc1NG0J6XqTC/wplZ22rtSs9AjlPzFpbI9Ky5UIL > 9xm5Tb8d8NsZpXZc+0Q5XQMrEv3475WkQuykC3We4ODC+T9v0ueKCQ== > =ezYQ > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Feb 23 01:01:32 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IDE rack suggestions Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1094E4@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> TranMicro (http://www.tranmicro.com) has some removable cages that work well. I have one and my roomie has like 3 of them. Under $20 each too. I'd go with the IBM drive, I've only had good experiences with them. As far as compatibility with Linux goes, it doesn't matter, a drive is a drive for the most part. For a boot manager, Mandrake 7.2 comes with both LILO and GRUB. They both give you a menu interface, but the grub menu is nicer. If you're just partitioning your new drive, you shouldn't have to worry about losing the data on your windows drive. Make sure your windows drive stays the master, windows won't work unless it boots from the master. I'd install LILO on the master drives MBA. If you use Mandrake, it should automatically add your windows partition to the boot manager for you. > -----Original Message----- > From: Dileep D. Monie [mailto:dmonie@futurestat.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 8:08 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] IDE rack suggestions > > > I'm currently looking to add a second IDE HDD (for RH Linux) > to my existing > Win98 box. Since my case is rather awkward and I have an > available 5.25-in. > bay, I wish to install a removable rack. I found a few at > http://www.enhance-tech.com/ but their selection is rather > limited. I am > hoping that someone has a few suggestions for a quality rack. > If it is > available locally all the better (I'm the touchy-feely kind). My > requirements are: ATA/100, internal fan (for 7200 rpm drive), > auto-door > set, keylock/power switch, power/disk LEDs, and a forceless handle. > > On the same subject, I'm deciding between a Maxtor and an IBM > HDD. Tech > specs aside, which offers better Linux compatibility as far > as firmware and > utilities are concerned? > > Finally, is there a GNU app. that is comparable to > PowerQuest's Partition > Magic (I got hooked with OpenLinux), in the sense that there is low > probability of data loss (when re-partitioning and changing > file systems) > and includes a boot utility? > > TIA, > Dileep > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From clay at fandre.com Fri Feb 23 08:25:13 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Computer parts at next installfest. References: <200102222018.OAA08320@rainier.network.com> Message-ID: <3A9672C9.E8AC181@fandre.com> "David S. Cargo" wrote: > > I have been aggitating for almost a year for a "stone soup" computer project, > where people bring parts and we build as many complete computers out of them > (with Linux installed) as we can. > > One person even said he's put a site together to help coordinate activities. > > > From: wade.a.harding@ac.com > > Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 12:05:19 -0500 > > > > I've registered a new domain name for stone soup projects. I'll post > > again when the site is up. > > But I haven't heard anything since then. > > I did manage to give away a couple of Wyse terminals, but I was unsuccessful > giving away a 386 system. > > dsc If you don't hear anything from Wade, let me know and I will create some pages on the TCLUG page for this. Clay From clay at fandre.com Fri Feb 23 08:27:15 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SLAs 4 DSL References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1094AD@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> <006401c09c54$a30b8140$b815020a@winona.msus.edu> Message-ID: <3A967343.63BDF2DD@fandre.com> "Cook, Justin S." wrote: > > this is why god created 'roomates'. =] > Too bad wives don't count. From jasonj at talkware.net Fri Feb 23 09:09:12 2001 From: jasonj at talkware.net (Jason Jorgensen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SCSI 160 RAID 5 Recomendation? Message-ID: <3A967D18.9EDE66C2@talkware.net> I would like a recomendation for a SCSI 160 controller that does RAID 5 and has full linux support. I have used and would like to get one of the ICP Vortex, but they are soo expensive, over $1000. From mjn at umn.edu Fri Feb 23 09:35:11 2001 From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cron thing... Message-ID: I keep getting this message when cron.weekly runs: Read file error: ./rec.1 No such file or directory Inside of cron.weekly/ is the following: makewhatis.cron which contains: #!/bin/bash LOCKFILE=/var/lock/makewhatis.lock # the lockfile is not meant to be perfect, it's just in case the # two makewhatis cron scripts get run close to each other to keep # them from stepping on each other's toes. The worst that will # happen is that they will temporarily corrupt the database... [ -f $LOCKFILE ] && exit 0 touch $LOCKFILE makewhatis -w rm -f $LOCKFILE exit 0 the only thing I can find for rec.1 is /usr/man/man1/rec.1 Any ideas? ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com http://supermonkeycollider.dyndns.org/ ____________________________ From ben at nerp.net Fri Feb 23 09:36:47 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SCSI 160 RAID 5 Recomendation? In-Reply-To: <3A967D18.9EDE66C2@talkware.net> Message-ID: check out the Mylex controlers, how many channels do you need, and what kind of disk configuration are you planning? Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, Jason Jorgensen wrote: > I would like a recomendation for a SCSI 160 controller that does RAID 5 > and has full linux support. > > I have used and would like to get one of the ICP Vortex, but they are > soo expensive, over $1000. > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dhanson2 at uswest.net Fri Feb 23 09:35:23 2001 From: dhanson2 at uswest.net (Doug Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SCSI 160 RAID 5 Recomendation? References: <3A967D18.9EDE66C2@talkware.net> Message-ID: <001701c09dae$3d533ef0$eaaf7a81@doug> I have used a DPT PM1564U3 U160 SINGLE CHANNEL RAID CONTROLLER running RedHat. It worked very well and I think it is built into the 2.4 kernel, I had to recompile mine under 6.2. I may be able to get one for you, I need to check with my vendor, Let me know... Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Jorgensen" To: Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 9:09 AM Subject: [TCLUG] SCSI 160 RAID 5 Recomendation? > I would like a recomendation for a SCSI 160 controller that does RAID 5 > and has full linux support. > > I have used and would like to get one of the ICP Vortex, but they are > soo expensive, over $1000. > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From jasonj at talkware.net Fri Feb 23 09:47:51 2001 From: jasonj at talkware.net (Jason Jorgensen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SCSI 160 RAID 5 Recomendation? References: Message-ID: <3A968627.38878E86@talkware.net> I was thinking 4 or 5 IBM 36 GB drives in RAID 5. With 3 or 4 live with 1 hotspare. 1 Channel would do. The Mylex AcceleRaid 170 is about $420. That seems reasonable. Do you know if this controller is in the kernel, or something I have to compile in? Has anyone used this controller? Anyone ever had any issues with this controller? Ben Kochie wrote: > check out the Mylex controlers, how many channels do you need, and what > kind of disk configuration are you planning? > > Thank You, > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, Jason Jorgensen wrote: > > > I would like a recomendation for a SCSI 160 controller that does RAID 5 > > and has full linux support. > > > > I have used and would like to get one of the ICP Vortex, but they are > > soo expensive, over $1000. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ben at nerp.net Fri Feb 23 09:53:22 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SCSI 160 RAID 5 Recomendation? In-Reply-To: <3A968627.38878E86@talkware.net> Message-ID: I've seen the mylex stuff in both the 2.2, and 2.4 kernels, and I know VA uses mylex cards all over the place. and compaq sells them with their alphaservers. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, Jason Jorgensen wrote: > I was thinking 4 or 5 IBM 36 GB drives in RAID 5. With 3 or 4 live with 1 > hotspare. > > 1 Channel would do. > > The Mylex AcceleRaid 170 is about $420. That seems reasonable. > > Do you know if this controller is in the kernel, or something I have to > compile in? > Has anyone used this controller? Anyone ever had any issues with this > controller? > > > > Ben Kochie wrote: > > > check out the Mylex controlers, how many channels do you need, and what > > kind of disk configuration are you planning? > > > > Thank You, > > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > > > On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, Jason Jorgensen wrote: > > > > > I would like a recomendation for a SCSI 160 controller that does RAID 5 > > > and has full linux support. > > > > > > I have used and would like to get one of the ICP Vortex, but they are > > > soo expensive, over $1000. > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Feb 23 10:16:35 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SCSI 160 RAID 5 Recomendation? Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1094ED@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> I've used a few Mylex cards with linux and have had no problems with them. > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Kochie [mailto:ben@nerp.net] > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 9:53 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] SCSI 160 RAID 5 Recomendation? > > > I've seen the mylex stuff in both the 2.2, and 2.4 kernels, > and I know VA > uses mylex cards all over the place. and compaq sells them with their > alphaservers. > > Thank You, > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, Jason Jorgensen wrote: > > > I was thinking 4 or 5 IBM 36 GB drives in RAID 5. With 3 or > 4 live with 1 > > hotspare. > > > > 1 Channel would do. > > > > The Mylex AcceleRaid 170 is about $420. That seems reasonable. > > > > Do you know if this controller is in the kernel, or > something I have to > > compile in? > > Has anyone used this controller? Anyone ever had any issues > with this > > controller? > > > > > > > > Ben Kochie wrote: > > > > > check out the Mylex controlers, how many channels do you > need, and what > > > kind of disk configuration are you planning? > > > > > > Thank You, > > > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > > > > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > > > > > On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, Jason Jorgensen wrote: > > > > > > > I would like a recomendation for a SCSI 160 controller > that does RAID 5 > > > > and has full linux support. > > > > > > > > I have used and would like to get one of the ICP > Vortex, but they are > > > > soo expensive, over $1000. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From kent at structural-wood.com Fri Feb 23 10:19:12 2001 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SLAs 4 DSL References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1094AD@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> <006401c09c54$a30b8140$b815020a@winona.msus.edu> <3A967343.63BDF2DD@fandre.com> Message-ID: <3A968D80.3FA9A751@structural-wood.com> Clay Fandre wrote: > > "Cook, Justin S." wrote: > > > > this is why god created 'roomates'. =] > > > > Too bad wives don't count. > My experience tells me that wives are the numerical inverse of roomates (i.e. .5^-1 == 2) from an expense standpoint... From kent at structural-wood.com Fri Feb 23 10:20:58 2001 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SCSI 160 RAID 5 Recomendation? References: <3A967D18.9EDE66C2@talkware.net> Message-ID: <3A968DEA.5CAA7B1E@structural-wood.com> Jason Jorgensen wrote: > > I would like a recomendation for a SCSI 160 controller that does RAID 5 > and has full linux support. > > I have used and would like to get one of the ICP Vortex, but they are > soo expensive, over $1000. > I'm using the myles acceleraid 170, which I believe does what you want. (I'm using it as a RAID 1). I paid $450 for it at cdw.com From natecars at real-time.com Fri Feb 23 11:20:59 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SCSI 160 RAID 5 Recomendation? In-Reply-To: <3A968627.38878E86@talkware.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, Jason Jorgensen wrote: > I was thinking 4 or 5 IBM 36 GB drives in RAID 5. With 3 or 4 live with 1 > hotspare. > > 1 Channel would do. > > The Mylex AcceleRaid 170 is about $420. That seems reasonable. > > Do you know if this controller is in the kernel, or something I have to > compile in? > Has anyone used this controller? Anyone ever had any issues with this > controller? Mylex is by far the best SCSI Hardware RAID controller supported by linux. You can actually query it for drive status (amazing, eh?.. seriously, most cards I've used, you can't under Linux). I've used that controller (both the VA OEM and the retail); works wonderfully with a recent kernel. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Feb 23 11:24:18 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sun fiber channel question -- sorta OT Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1094F0@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> So, since I know there's lots of Unix gurus here, I have a question... I have an UE3500 connected to an A5000 and an A5100 disk array. I just bought another A5100 and another fiber channel SBUS card. The A5100 has 2 GBIC's in it. I could plug them both into the new SBUS card, but that kinda defeats the purpose of the multipathing stuff. If I criss-cross the fiber with the ports that the other A5100 is plugged into, is it going to screw up all of my volume configurations? (I'm using VxVM) Or will the "boot -r" take care of it all for me? I did this before when I added the first A5100 and there weren't any ill effects, but it gets considerably more complicated when there are 6 paths to your drive arrays. I just want to be sure before I start plugging stuff in. :) Jay From cschumann at twp-llc.com Fri Feb 23 11:24:48 2001 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SCSI 160 RAID 5 Recomendation? In-Reply-To: <200102231620.f1NGKal05973@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: Jason, I bought an Adaptec 2100S Caching Ultra 160 SCSI RAID controller. It comes with Linux drivers on the CD. It has only one channel. Unfortunately, I have yet to try to get Linux running on the box as of yet. Even more unfortunately, I still have only one drive on it, but it's pleasingly fast. BUY.COM has it for $424.95, or $382.95 if you don't need a cable. (You might want to buy your own multi-drop cable anyway.) Keep in mind that you will need 64-bit PCI slots to run at 160MB/s speeds. Every Ultra160 PCI controller I've seen runs at 80MB/s on standard 32-bit PCI slots. Chris Schumann ======== Message: 9 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 09:09:12 -0600 From: Jason Jorgensen I would like a recomendation for a SCSI 160 controller that does RAID 5 and has full linux support. I have used and would like to get one of the ICP Vortex, but they are soo expensive, over $1000. From blutgens at sistina.com Fri Feb 23 11:58:49 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cron thing... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200102231758.f1NHwtl08427@sprite.real-time.com> > > > the only thing I can find for rec.1 is /usr/man/man1/rec.1 It'll whine if that's a symlink that is dangling. > > Any ideas? > ____________________________ > Mike Neuharth > ADCS Technology Specialist > http://www.umn.edu/adcs > > E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu > Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com > http://supermonkeycollider.dyndns.org/ > ____________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From simeonuj at eetc.com Fri Feb 23 14:10:19 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sun fiber channel question -- sorta OT References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1094F0@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <3A96C383.F83E795C@eetc.com> If nobody else can help you I am on a sun mailing list. Just go to sunhelp.org and subscribe to SunRescue or one ot the other lists. A lot of these people use linux as well as lots of other *nix OS's. They may be able to answer your questions. sim "Austad, Jay" wrote: > So, since I know there's lots of Unix gurus here, I have a question... > > I have an UE3500 connected to an A5000 and an A5100 disk array. I just > bought another A5100 and another fiber channel SBUS card. The A5100 has 2 > GBIC's in it. I could plug them both into the new SBUS card, but that kinda > defeats the purpose of the multipathing stuff. If I criss-cross the fiber > with the ports that the other A5100 is plugged into, is it going to screw up > all of my volume configurations? (I'm using VxVM) Or will the "boot -r" > take care of it all for me? > > I did this before when I added the first A5100 and there weren't any ill > effects, but it gets considerably more complicated when there are 6 paths to > your drive arrays. I just want to be sure before I start plugging stuff in. > :) > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Fri Feb 23 15:38:42 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] need a 675? Message-ID: if you need a new cisco 675, dexis has them for $100.. just a fyi. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From drew at usfamily.net Fri Feb 23 18:26:35 2001 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sun fiber channel question -- sorta OT References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1094F0@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <004301c09df8$72ac0420$709a0ace@ancor.com> The answer is no, because fibre channell runs independent of that kind of stuff, so your volumes will not get screwed up. As long as the switch (if you're using a switch) youre using does not have any zoning set you should be fine. If you have zones set then you may have to rezone in order to get things working like before. ----- Original Message ----- From: Austad, Jay To: Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 9:24 AM Subject: [TCLUG] Sun fiber channel question -- sorta OT > So, since I know there's lots of Unix gurus here, I have a question... > > I have an UE3500 connected to an A5000 and an A5100 disk array. I just > bought another A5100 and another fiber channel SBUS card. The A5100 has 2 > GBIC's in it. I could plug them both into the new SBUS card, but that kinda > defeats the purpose of the multipathing stuff. If I criss-cross the fiber > with the ports that the other A5100 is plugged into, is it going to screw up > all of my volume configurations? (I'm using VxVM) Or will the "boot -r" > take care of it all for me? > > I did this before when I added the first A5100 and there weren't any ill > effects, but it gets considerably more complicated when there are 6 paths to > your drive arrays. I just want to be sure before I start plugging stuff in. > :) > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ From tanner at real-time.com Fri Feb 23 19:49:03 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] "Best" mpg player? Message-ID: <20010223194903.B20991@real-time.com> What is the "best" mpg player? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From wyatt at coolsend.com Fri Feb 23 20:40:11 2001 From: wyatt at coolsend.com (Chuck Larson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Software raid. Message-ID: <20010224024011.C5A8E274A@sitemail.everyone.net> I been pondering creating a software raid with two maxtor 30GB ATA/66 HDDs I have. My question is, Can it be possible to boot off the RAID? Or, does it need to be a hardware RAID to do that? _____________________________________________________________ Domain powered by www.iReg.com E-mail powered by www.1FreeEmail.com From jethro at freakzilla.com Fri Feb 23 20:49:15 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] "Best" mpg player? In-Reply-To: <20010223194903.B20991@real-time.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > What is the "best" mpg player? MpegTV is pretty good. Not OpenSource though. aviplay/avifile can do MPEG4. -Yaron -- From dave at droyer.org Fri Feb 23 21:31:45 2001 From: dave at droyer.org (David Royer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] POP3 over SSH Message-ID: I am trying to get a POP3 session running through SSH, but I am having some trouble. I checked out the Secure-POP+SSH mini how-to but I cannot connect to the local forwarded port. Here's what I am doing: $ ssh -C -f dave@mailserver -L 11110:mailserver:110 sleep 1000 Then when I try to connect I get the following: [dave@merlin dave]$ telnet localhost 11110 Trying 127.0.0.1... Connected to localhost.localdomain. Escape character is '^]'. Connection closed by foreign host. [dave@merlin dave]$ Any suggestions? Dave ----- "Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway." -- Andrew S. Tanenbaum - Computer Networks From fertch at mninter.net Fri Feb 23 23:01:19 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] "Best" mpg player? References: Message-ID: <3A97401F.94672CDB@mninter.net> Brings up an interesting point in Divx and VCD movies. What can play them? Yaron wrote: > > Hi, > > On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > What is the "best" mpg player? > > MpegTV is pretty good. Not OpenSource though. aviplay/avifile can do > MPEG4. > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blayer at qwest.net Sat Feb 24 05:25:37 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] "Best" mpg player? In-Reply-To: <3A97401F.94672CDB@mninter.net> References: <3A97401F.94672CDB@mninter.net> Message-ID: <01022405253700.05252@Homer> On Friday 23 February 2001 23:01, you wrote: > Brings up an interesting point in Divx and VCD movies. What can play > them? XMMS with the .avi plugin. -- -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From thekremer at yahoo.com Sat Feb 24 01:59:46 2001 From: thekremer at yahoo.com (Justin Kremer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Software raid. References: <20010224024011.C5A8E274A@sitemail.everyone.net> Message-ID: <00c401c09e37$c192ff00$235ca8c0@kremer> I think you may have some problems booting off of a soft RAID...but what do I know...I only deal with the hardware ones. ...but my question to you: why on earth would you want to build a RAID out of 2 IDE drives? If you're going to build a RAID, I would suggest using SCSI instead (and more than 2 drives...hell, the more the merrier...you can get decent deals on 9 gig SCSI nowadays and a hardware RAID controller helps too...these things are so difficult aren't they?). It will be more expensive, but you'll be much more satisfied in the end. If I was building a RAID (for personal use) I would rather a few measly old Ultra Narrow or Wide drives than two ATA/66 drives (or even ATA/100) Not that I'm not drooling over FibreChannel... Anyway, I'm not here to spend your money, just figured I'd make a suggestion regarding something that I have a tiny speck of knowledge on. - Kremer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Larson" To: Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 8:40 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Software raid. > I been pondering creating a software raid with two maxtor 30GB ATA/66 HDDs I have. My question is, Can it be possible to boot off the RAID? Or, does it need to be a hardware RAID to do that? > > _____________________________________________________________ > Domain powered by www.iReg.com > E-mail powered by www.1FreeEmail.com > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From tanner at real-time.com Sat Feb 24 03:20:55 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RedCarpet Message-ID: <20010224032055.C20132@real-time.com> Anyone able to get RedCarpet or do they get the instance cannot download file thingie? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jethro at freakzilla.com Sat Feb 24 03:24:57 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] "Best" mpg player? In-Reply-To: <3A97401F.94672CDB@mninter.net> Message-ID: Hi, On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, Shawn Fertch wrote: > Brings up an interesting point in Divx and VCD movies. What can play > them? MpegTV can play VCD. Avifile can play Divx(; -Yaron -- From jhallgren at abaton.com Sat Feb 24 08:37:04 2001 From: jhallgren at abaton.com (Jeff Hallgren) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RedCarpet References: <20010224032055.C20132@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3A97C710.929F1CE4@abaton.com> RedCarpet downloaded just fine (from the Helix update app) Simply selected the redcarpet beta server. It bombed during installation (had to remove Evolution), after that, it installed okay.... I'm running it now to update... everything... Later Bob Tanner wrote: > > Anyone able to get RedCarpet or do they get the instance cannot download file > thingie? > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 From clay at fandre.com Sat Feb 24 09:35:32 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] POP3 over SSH References: Message-ID: <3A97D4C4.5715E11F@fandre.com> Try to keep it simple first and use the -v option. ssh -v -L 11110:mailserver:110 dave@mailserver You will then log into the remote machine with a shell. The port forwarding should be activated and you should see some debug messages. When you have that working then you can add the -C and -f. David Royer wrote: > > I am trying to get a POP3 session running through SSH, but I am having > some trouble. I checked out the Secure-POP+SSH mini how-to but I cannot > connect to the local forwarded port. > > Here's what I am doing: > > $ ssh -C -f dave@mailserver -L 11110:mailserver:110 sleep 1000 > > Then when I try to connect I get the following: > > [dave@merlin dave]$ telnet localhost 11110 > Trying 127.0.0.1... > Connected to localhost.localdomain. > Escape character is '^]'. > Connection closed by foreign host. > [dave@merlin dave]$ > > Any suggestions? > > Dave > > ----- > "Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes > hurtling down the highway." -- Andrew S. Tanenbaum - Computer Networks > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From veldy at veldy.net Sat Feb 24 10:41:26 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] "Best" mpg player? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: KMP3 is good - it is a KDE version of mpg123. It is not a frontend however (which is a good thing). Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, Yaron wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > What is the "best" mpg player? > > MpegTV is pretty good. Not OpenSource though. aviplay/avifile can do > MPEG4. > > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Sat Feb 24 12:27:43 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Software raid. Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1094FA@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> > why on earth would you want to build a RAID out of 2 IDE drives? It's cheap. You can buy 2 80GB Maxtor IDE drives for $257 each, do software raid or buy an Abit IDE RAID card for $50. A 73GB Seagate SCSI drive is around $950, plus you you need to buy a scsi card. $500 vs $2000, I think I'll stick with the IDE for home use. Of course, I'm only storing an audio/video archive, so it doesn't need to be fast. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Justin Kremer [mailto:thekremer@yahoo.com] > Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2001 2:00 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Software raid. > > > I think you may have some problems booting off of a soft > RAID...but what do > I know...I only deal with the hardware ones. > > ...but my question to you: > why on earth would you want to build a RAID out of 2 IDE drives? > If you're going to build a RAID, I would suggest using SCSI > instead (and > more than 2 drives...hell, the more the merrier...you can get > decent deals > on 9 gig SCSI nowadays and a hardware RAID controller helps > too...these > things are so difficult aren't they?). It will be more expensive, but > you'll be much more satisfied in the end. > If I was building a RAID (for personal use) I would rather a > few measly old > Ultra Narrow or Wide drives than two ATA/66 drives (or even ATA/100) > Not that I'm not drooling over FibreChannel... > Anyway, I'm not here to spend your money, just figured I'd > make a suggestion > regarding something that I have a tiny speck of knowledge on. > > - Kremer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Larson" > To: > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 8:40 PM > Subject: [TCLUG] Software raid. > > > > I been pondering creating a software raid with two maxtor > 30GB ATA/66 HDDs > I have. My question is, Can it be possible to boot off the > RAID? Or, does > it need to be a hardware RAID to do that? > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > > Domain powered by www.iReg.com > > E-mail powered by www.1FreeEmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From clay at fandre.com Sat Feb 24 13:41:53 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Software raid. References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1094FA@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <3A980E81.849415B0@fandre.com> "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > > It's cheap. You can buy 2 80GB Maxtor IDE drives for $257 each, do software > raid or buy an Abit IDE RAID card for $50. A 73GB Seagate SCSI drive is > around $950, plus you you need to buy a scsi card. $500 vs $2000, I think > I'll stick with the IDE for home use. Of course, I'm only storing an > audio/video archive, so it doesn't need to be fast. > > Jay Jay, I'm hearing so much about your audio/video archive that you have. You willing to share with the rest of the tclug? You gonna bring the archive to the installfest? From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Sat Feb 24 14:02:30 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Software raid. In-Reply-To: <3A980E81.849415B0@fandre.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 24 Feb 2001, Clay Fandre wrote: > > Jay, > I'm hearing so much about your audio/video archive that you have. You > willing to share with the rest of the tclug? You gonna bring the archive > to the installfest? > _______________________________________________ Nah, just put a symlink tin ftp://jaysworld/pub and watch the poor 56k modem go up in flames. -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From austad at marketwatch.com Sat Feb 24 15:35:27 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Software raid. Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1094FF@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> If I make it to the installfest, I'll bring what I can. I can't yank down the main fileserver though. I'll be limited to the size of the HD in the machine I bring with, unless someone wants to borrow me a firewire or usb HD before the installfest. :) We could use it to test DivX under Linux. :) Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Clay Fandre [mailto:clay@fandre.com] > Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2001 1:42 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Software raid. > > > "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > > > > > It's cheap. You can buy 2 80GB Maxtor IDE drives for $257 > each, do software > > raid or buy an Abit IDE RAID card for $50. A 73GB Seagate > SCSI drive is > > around $950, plus you you need to buy a scsi card. $500 vs > $2000, I think > > I'll stick with the IDE for home use. Of course, I'm only > storing an > > audio/video archive, so it doesn't need to be fast. > > > > Jay > > Jay, > I'm hearing so much about your audio/video archive that you have. You > willing to share with the rest of the tclug? You gonna bring > the archive > to the installfest? > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jeff at digitalguy.net Sat Feb 24 17:44:18 2001 From: jeff at digitalguy.net (Jeffrey C. Lehman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Def Con convention Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010224154114.00aabf90@mail.digitalguy.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Has anyone been to any of the Def Con conventions? I started reading about them and i guess the next one is in Las Vegas from July 13th-15th. Anyone have personal experience or know someone who's been there? Just wondering. Thanks Jeff Lehman Webpage: http://www.digitalguy.net Email: jeff@digitalguy.net Join the worlds largest distributed computing effort http://www.distributed.net http://stats.distributed.net/rc5-64/tmsummary.php3?team=12721 - ---- PGP ---- ID: 0x91E0F02B Type: DH/DSS Size: 4096/1024 Fingerprint: 9124 79E1 7304 7D01 7CE3 CF8F 7CE8 6D0D 91E0 F02B Key: www.digitalguy.net/pubpgp.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOphHUnzobQ2R4PArEQL+fwCgyKj6u4LseOVzRtjvPx/QO0/P1nAAnRAD L+Ob1nSL6HEQNtfo9GWQDKhQ =KH+b -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From austad at marketwatch.com Sat Feb 24 15:49:36 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Def Con convention Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109500@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> I know a couple of people that went a few times. Typically, there are some good speakers there, and some interesting companies pimping their job openings. I think I'm probably going to go this year. Did anyone go to Rootfest last year here in minneapolis? > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeffrey C. Lehman [mailto:jeff@digitalguy.net] > Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2001 5:44 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Def Con convention > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Has anyone been to any of the Def Con conventions? I started > reading about > them and i guess the next one is in Las Vegas from July > 13th-15th. Anyone > have personal experience or know someone who's been there? > Just wondering. > > Thanks > > Jeff Lehman > > Webpage: http://www.digitalguy.net > Email: jeff@digitalguy.net > > Join the worlds largest distributed computing effort > http://www.distributed.net > http://stats.distributed.net/rc5-64/tmsummary.php3?team=12721 > > - ---- PGP ---- > ID: 0x91E0F02B > Type: DH/DSS > Size: 4096/1024 > Fingerprint: 9124 79E1 7304 7D01 7CE3 CF8F 7CE8 6D0D 91E0 F02B > Key: www.digitalguy.net/pubpgp.html > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use > > iQA/AwUBOphHUnzobQ2R4PArEQL+fwCgyKj6u4LseOVzRtjvPx/QO0/P1nAAnRAD > L+Ob1nSL6HEQNtfo9GWQDKhQ > =KH+b > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jeff at digitalguy.net Sat Feb 24 17:56:21 2001 From: jeff at digitalguy.net (Jeffrey C. Lehman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Def Con convention In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109500@mspexch1.office.mkt w.net> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010224155454.00a623e0@mail.digitalguy.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I'm interested in going to one this year if i can find a way down there and somehow reserve hotel tickets, but I don't know anyone else who'd want to go. So if you have space or any suggestions let me know :) At 03:49 PM 2/24/2001 -0600, you wrote: >I know a couple of people that went a few times. Typically, there are some >good speakers there, and some interesting companies pimping their job >openings. I think I'm probably going to go this year. > >Did anyone go to Rootfest last year here in minneapolis? > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jeffrey C. Lehman [mailto:jeff@digitalguy.net] > > Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2001 5:44 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: [TCLUG] Def Con convention > > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Has anyone been to any of the Def Con conventions? I started > > reading about > > them and i guess the next one is in Las Vegas from July > > 13th-15th. Anyone > > have personal experience or know someone who's been there? > > Just wondering. > > > > Thanks > > > > Jeff Lehman > > > > Webpage: http://www.digitalguy.net > > Email: jeff@digitalguy.net > > > > Join the worlds largest distributed computing effort > > http://www.distributed.net > > http://stats.distributed.net/rc5-64/tmsummary.php3?team=12721 > > > > - ---- PGP ---- > > ID: 0x91E0F02B > > Type: DH/DSS > > Size: 4096/1024 > > Fingerprint: 9124 79E1 7304 7D01 7CE3 CF8F 7CE8 6D0D 91E0 F02B > > Key: www.digitalguy.net/pubpgp.html > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use > > > > iQA/AwUBOphHUnzobQ2R4PArEQL+fwCgyKj6u4LseOVzRtjvPx/QO0/P1nAAnRAD > > L+Ob1nSL6HEQNtfo9GWQDKhQ > > =KH+b > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list Jeff Lehman Webpage: http://www.digitalguy.net Email: jeff@digitalguy.net Join the worlds largest distributed computing effort http://www.distributed.net http://stats.distributed.net/rc5-64/tmsummary.php3?team=12721 - ---- PGP ---- ID: 0x91E0F02B Type: DH/DSS Size: 4096/1024 Fingerprint: 9124 79E1 7304 7D01 7CE3 CF8F 7CE8 6D0D 91E0 F02B Key: www.digitalguy.net/pubpgp.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOphKJHzobQ2R4PArEQLF6ACgnf9FO02Yxk/OvImkKj9hcNuECU4An1Xi 9Ks46fD4OBddl7Zs3HWbvDML =hr+B -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From BTimm at Interelate.com Sat Feb 24 15:56:09 2001 From: BTimm at Interelate.com (Brad Timm) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Def Con convention Message-ID: <394E263D7458ED4F91DA2A3066B8C18DB0A819@MSP-MAIL01.IR> I went to Rootfest, but just for a couple of speakers. The speaker I remember the best was an open source Evangelist. He made some good points but he was preaching to the choir there. I was kind of disapointed with it in general. Alot of folks sitting in small groups, only talking with those few people they knew. But Def Con I am told is more convention like ( not like the Grass Roots Rootfest). And some very interesting topics come up at Def Con. Maybe we should get a TCLUG or TC group togther to go? Brad -----Original Message----- From: Austad, Jay [mailto:austad@marketwatch.com] Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2001 3:50 PM To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Def Con convention I know a couple of people that went a few times. Typically, there are some good speakers there, and some interesting companies pimping their job openings. I think I'm probably going to go this year. Did anyone go to Rootfest last year here in minneapolis? > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeffrey C. Lehman [mailto:jeff@digitalguy.net] > Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2001 5:44 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Def Con convention > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Has anyone been to any of the Def Con conventions? I started > reading about > them and i guess the next one is in Las Vegas from July > 13th-15th. Anyone > have personal experience or know someone who's been there? > Just wondering. > > Thanks > > Jeff Lehman > > Webpage: http://www.digitalguy.net > Email: jeff@digitalguy.net > > Join the worlds largest distributed computing effort > http://www.distributed.net > http://stats.distributed.net/rc5-64/tmsummary.php3?team=12721 > > - ---- PGP ---- > ID: 0x91E0F02B > Type: DH/DSS > Size: 4096/1024 > Fingerprint: 9124 79E1 7304 7D01 7CE3 CF8F 7CE8 6D0D 91E0 F02B > Key: www.digitalguy.net/pubpgp.html > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use > > iQA/AwUBOphHUnzobQ2R4PArEQL+fwCgyKj6u4LseOVzRtjvPx/QO0/P1nAAnRAD > L+Ob1nSL6HEQNtfo9GWQDKhQ > =KH+b > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mkroska at readynetgo.com Sat Feb 24 16:42:09 2001 From: mkroska at readynetgo.com (Mark K) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] need a 675? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yeah, a buddy of mine got $200 for his (slightly) used 675 at the Pawn America up here. I wonder what they are gonna try to sell it for?!@ (hint: don't buy used DSL equipment from a pawn shop) :) MK On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > if you need a new cisco 675, dexis has them for $100.. just a fyi. > > -- ________________________________________________________ ReadyNET Go!, Inc. - Building your Business on the net ________________________________________________________ Mark J. Kroska MIS Director 320.656.0765 Voice 888.447.3239 Toll Free 320.203.7052 Fax http://www.readynetgo.com mailto:mkroska@readynetgo.com ________________________________________________________ From austad at marketwatch.com Sat Feb 24 18:41:04 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] need a 675? Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109504@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> > Yeah, a buddy of mine got $200 for his (slightly) used 675 at the Pawn > America up here. I wonder what they are gonna try to sell it for?!@ They were trying to sell an emachine for $850 a few months back. You could buy the same one on buy.com for like $350 new. I don't know what they've been smoking, but they've obviously smoked it all. > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark K [mailto:mkroska@readynetgo.com] > Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2001 4:42 PM > To: Twin Cities Linux User Group > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] [OT] need a 675? > > > > Yeah, a buddy of mine got $200 for his (slightly) used 675 at the Pawn > America up here. I wonder what they are gonna try to sell it for?!@ > > (hint: don't buy used DSL equipment from a pawn shop) > :) > > MK > > On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > > > if you need a new cisco 675, dexis has them for $100.. just a fyi. > > > > > > -- > ________________________________________________________ > ReadyNET Go!, Inc. - Building your Business on the net > ________________________________________________________ > > Mark J. Kroska > MIS Director > > 320.656.0765 Voice > 888.447.3239 Toll Free > 320.203.7052 Fax > http://www.readynetgo.com > mailto:mkroska@readynetgo.com > ________________________________________________________ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Sat Feb 24 18:51:45 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sun fiber channel question -- sorta OT Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109505@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Sweet. It worked just fine, other than the drive I had completely fail. I had 2 others fail last week the exact same way. Unfortunately, this one wasn't mirrored anywhere, so to get the data back, I took the circuit board off of an extra drive I had and replaced the one on the bad drive. That fixed it for now. I had to do the same thing last week. Damn Seagate drives. Aww yeah, another 462GB of luvin' (too bad it's already 89% full). :) Filesystem kbytes used avail capacity Mounted on /proc 0 0 0 0% /proc /dev/vx/dsk/rootvol 1987399 921541 1006237 48% / /dev/vx/dsk/usr 1987399 743275 1184503 39% /usr fd 0 0 0 0% /dev/fd /dev/vx/dsk/home 12342236 11541856 676958 95% /export/home swap 4234840 16 4234824 1% /tmp /dev/vx/dsk/rootdg/insight_1 212179968 161089136 50704472 77% /insight_1 /dev/vx/dsk/rootdg/insight_2 462307328 408085448 53798944 89% /insight_2 samfs1 35561472 28288432 7273040 80% /archive > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Nemchenko [mailto:drew@usfamily.net] > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 6:27 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Sun fiber channel question -- sorta OT > > > The answer is no, because fibre channell runs independent of > that kind of > stuff, so your volumes will not get screwed up. As long as > the switch (if > you're using a switch) youre using does not have any zoning > set you should > be fine. If you have zones set then you may have to rezone in > order to get > things working like before. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Austad, Jay > To: > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 9:24 AM > Subject: [TCLUG] Sun fiber channel question -- sorta OT > > > > So, since I know there's lots of Unix gurus here, I have a > question... > > > > I have an UE3500 connected to an A5000 and an A5100 disk > array. I just > > bought another A5100 and another fiber channel SBUS card. > The A5100 has 2 > > GBIC's in it. I could plug them both into the new SBUS > card, but that > kinda > > defeats the purpose of the multipathing stuff. If I > criss-cross the fiber > > with the ports that the other A5100 is plugged into, is it > going to screw > up > > all of my volume configurations? (I'm using VxVM) Or will > the "boot -r" > > take care of it all for me? > > > > I did this before when I added the first A5100 and there > weren't any ill > > effects, but it gets considerably more complicated when > there are 6 paths > to > > your drive arrays. I just want to be sure before I start > plugging stuff > in. > > :) > > > > Jay > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From > $8.99/mo! ------ > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Sun Feb 25 13:24:31 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 3com Audrey Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10950B@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Anyone seen the 3com Audrey internet appliance. http://www.3com.com/ergo They gave us one at work a few months ago so we could develop the CBS Marketwatch channel for it. It runs QNX, and you don't have to buy service from them. You just use any old dialup ISP, or connect it to your broadband connection via the USB ethernet adapter. I was playing around with it, and it's actually pretty sweet. It has about an 8" diagonal lcd touchscreen, a cool little stylus, a mini wireless keyboard 2 USB ports, 1 compact flash slot, you can set it on a countertop, a table, or hang it flat on the wall like a picture. It also has a built in mic and speakers. Apparently, they are planning on offering online radio stations on it soon, so it must have enough processor power to decode MP3's. I'm not sure what it has for a processor, but since it runs QNX, I would assume that it's x86 compatible. I'm thinking about picking one of these up and putting Linux on it. I searched at Google for other projects like this, but I couldn't find anything. Does anyone know of any projects like this? Does anyone have one of these? There's a few on Ebay for around $350, but they are all sucky colors (I want the black one). Beige computer equipment looks like medical devices. :) Also, http://www.qubit.net has some cool stuff coming out later this year. Jay From phillips at churchillnet.com Sun Feb 25 13:49:41 2001 From: phillips at churchillnet.com (Rick Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Software Raid Message-ID: <001b01c09f64$18a18b40$0664a8c0@rickw2k> I have had good luck with the ARCO-IDE Dupli Disk PCI Raid Controller. It works really well if you want to mirror two drives, and works even better if the drives are identical. Their website is www.arcoide.com. I did have some problems getting their newer device to work on a Compaq, however. The device takes up a PCI slot for power only, and I have noticed no performance decrease. Rick Phillips Churchill Capital (612) 673-6738 phillips@churchillnet.com From lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu Sun Feb 25 15:20:28 2001 From: lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu (Ben Luey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dial on demand (pppd) triggered by mcast.net Message-ID: I have pppd installed on our server to dial on demant for windows 95 clients. Recently, I've noticed that the link is never going down and even when all the computers are off, pppd stays active. I ran trafshow and I keep seeing this line: unkn 192.168.254.1 224.0.0.13 30 unkn 192.168.254.1* PIM-ROUTERS.MCAST.N 60 Going down the ppp0 line. What is this? Our ISP recently made some server changes -- is this related. What is ths PIM-Routers.mcast.net server at 244.0.0.13? Why is the protocol unknown? I tried rejecting the conenctions with ipchains, but it doesn't work, I think because the protocol is unknown. Our machines are on 192.168.1.xxx How can I get our link to go down normally again? [root@server /etc]# /sbin/route Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface 192.168.1.1 * 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 eth0 192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 127.0.0.0 * 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 lo default 192.168.254.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 ppp0 Thanks, Ben From chrome at real-time.com Sun Feb 25 21:59:56 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 3com Audrey In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10950B@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Sun, Feb 25, 2001 at 01:24:31PM -0600 References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10950B@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010225215956.C12102@real-time.com> > I'm not sure what it has for a processor, but since it runs QNX, I would > assume that it's x86 compatible. actually, QNX has been ported to a number of different processors (I'm given to understand). I know of some robotics researchers who are/were porting it to MMU-less PowerPC chips. I asked my friend why they didn't use Real Time Linux (no relation to Real-Time Enterprises). Apparently QNX has better serial I/O... something about blocking vs. non-blocking I/O. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From ecrist at ardent-hacker.net Sun Feb 25 22:29:50 2001 From: ecrist at ardent-hacker.net (Eric F Crist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network Topography/Configuration Message-ID: <01022522295002.99387@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hey, I was wondering what network topography programs people are using. I am currently using Cisco's ConfigMaker 2.4, but that doesn't support many of the devices I need to embed with in the diagram. Just looking for a few opinions here. Thanks, Eric -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.1i iQEVAwUBOpnNrlY1QwxgidsZAQG4FAf/f8uMKCOxi99djdqvhv2rT/tWfCv8Uxua NLL/pSRDxRIpTSqiMxBRMg4pZHviDT2nHImaF+GTaniwEMcIsOyFGliI4a+yIsTc 07c+04Ic8SwgJH8TkFoazyY04iVlujVUKEb1JWAW/q+omu091vU/z6Y+WhG95bq1 PpbyXZrODc6Bc/TEnRLPxqzhYetpWVihPWzodrvLOplW48r8G9wRUbVE9jVW5A/d k1mnul4f8AIlMEk3CeZIBIAoS1TRR3SMW5zddHe2q77Tj50UqFGoR4rskAgBwzxc HDJJuPT/DSFajtKCQIlQiQBkzspt6dgfbUXFIiTKlm9QqP6wnUh3Lg== =IK+j -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From austad at marketwatch.com Sun Feb 25 23:07:21 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network Topography/Configuration Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10950F@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> For network diagrams, I use Visio 2000 professional. There's a linux program called Dia which aims to have the functionality of Visio, but it's not even close. Visio was purchased by Micro$oft a year or two ago, and it's still an excellent product. Plus, if you're sending the diagram around to other network people, there's a good chance they'll have a copy of Visio to read it with (You can export in just about every graphics format though if you need to). Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Eric F Crist [mailto:ecrist@ardent-hacker.net] > Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 10:30 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Network Topography/Configuration > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hey, > > I was wondering what network topography programs people are > using. I am > currently using Cisco's ConfigMaker 2.4, but that doesn't > support many of the > devices I need to embed with in the diagram. Just looking > for a few opinions > here. > > Thanks, > > Eric > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP 6.5.1i > > iQEVAwUBOpnNrlY1QwxgidsZAQG4FAf/f8uMKCOxi99djdqvhv2rT/tWfCv8Uxua > NLL/pSRDxRIpTSqiMxBRMg4pZHviDT2nHImaF+GTaniwEMcIsOyFGliI4a+yIsTc > 07c+04Ic8SwgJH8TkFoazyY04iVlujVUKEb1JWAW/q+omu091vU/z6Y+WhG95bq1 > PpbyXZrODc6Bc/TEnRLPxqzhYetpWVihPWzodrvLOplW48r8G9wRUbVE9jVW5A/d > k1mnul4f8AIlMEk3CeZIBIAoS1TRR3SMW5zddHe2q77Tj50UqFGoR4rskAgBwzxc > HDJJuPT/DSFajtKCQIlQiQBkzspt6dgfbUXFIiTKlm9QqP6wnUh3Lg== > =IK+j > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From ecrist at ardent-hacker.net Sun Feb 25 23:11:53 2001 From: ecrist at ardent-hacker.net (Eric F Crist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network Topography/Configuration In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10950F@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10950F@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <01022523115303.99387@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Where would one dl this? On Sunday 25 February 2001 23:07, you wrote: > For network diagrams, I use Visio 2000 professional. > > There's a linux program called Dia which aims to have the functionality of > Visio, but it's not even close. Visio was purchased by Micro$oft a year or > two ago, and it's still an excellent product. Plus, if you're sending the > diagram around to other network people, there's a good chance they'll have > a copy of Visio to read it with (You can export in just about every > graphics format though if you need to). > > Jay > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Eric F Crist [mailto:ecrist@ardent-hacker.net] > > Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 10:30 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: [TCLUG] Network Topography/Configuration > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > > Hey, > > > > I was wondering what network topography programs people are > > using. I am > > currently using Cisco's ConfigMaker 2.4, but that doesn't > > support many of the > > devices I need to embed with in the diagram. Just looking > > for a few opinions > > here. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Eric > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: PGP 6.5.1i > > > > iQEVAwUBOpnNrlY1QwxgidsZAQG4FAf/f8uMKCOxi99djdqvhv2rT/tWfCv8Uxua > > NLL/pSRDxRIpTSqiMxBRMg4pZHviDT2nHImaF+GTaniwEMcIsOyFGliI4a+yIsTc > > 07c+04Ic8SwgJH8TkFoazyY04iVlujVUKEb1JWAW/q+omu091vU/z6Y+WhG95bq1 > > PpbyXZrODc6Bc/TEnRLPxqzhYetpWVihPWzodrvLOplW48r8G9wRUbVE9jVW5A/d > > k1mnul4f8AIlMEk3CeZIBIAoS1TRR3SMW5zddHe2q77Tj50UqFGoR4rskAgBwzxc > > HDJJuPT/DSFajtKCQIlQiQBkzspt6dgfbUXFIiTKlm9QqP6wnUh3Lg== > > =IK+j > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.1i iQEVAwUBOpnXilY1QwxgidsZAQF6UAf+NSfUpOyqkzsGqd5O0HPMjUPZD2g+5wp5 1GvwPIbz1D2sw9mYmEzwXOE+F4K/SL8fBjg2c8U0gAGk7rW3gsVjDEma4c3iFB0G asUI2O0p49uudKDDDiBWo0CuHlEAKMvkLBVdY3ez7OrJRFj4DGcGP+Uno9DQYyLZ +BILnKLIgiLJzzt+UZgC3GpQ99kh/zIQ5gUHCALyN0Z6DwCebgf9I5xpFQqqLlFd X0/jmNZeKWhPafenRyhBsB2GDk6D8r2umipnSBdMIR/+OTUVM8fxfVLiD/g/aKIe 0PfdU9/A6FXRh8H4ZCo5p0HkSm0G8afqYwWxQ6I8xhN4cKChQkKX2Q== =88rB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From austad at marketwatch.com Sun Feb 25 23:45:44 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network Topography/Configuration Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109512@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> http://www.microsoft.com/office/visio/ They have a 60 day trial that you can grab. I don't know if you can upgrade it with a serial number or not though. > -----Original Message----- > From: Eric F Crist [mailto:ecrist@ardent-hacker.net] > Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 11:12 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Network Topography/Configuration > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Where would one dl this? > > On Sunday 25 February 2001 23:07, you wrote: > > For network diagrams, I use Visio 2000 professional. > > > > There's a linux program called Dia which aims to have the > functionality of > > Visio, but it's not even close. Visio was purchased by > Micro$oft a year or > > two ago, and it's still an excellent product. Plus, if > you're sending the > > diagram around to other network people, there's a good > chance they'll have > > a copy of Visio to read it with (You can export in just about every > > graphics format though if you need to). > > > > Jay > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Eric F Crist [mailto:ecrist@ardent-hacker.net] > > > Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 10:30 PM > > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > Subject: [TCLUG] Network Topography/Configuration > > > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > > > > Hey, > > > > > > I was wondering what network topography programs people are > > > using. I am > > > currently using Cisco's ConfigMaker 2.4, but that doesn't > > > support many of the > > > devices I need to embed with in the diagram. Just looking > > > for a few opinions > > > here. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Eric > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > Version: PGP 6.5.1i > > > > > > iQEVAwUBOpnNrlY1QwxgidsZAQG4FAf/f8uMKCOxi99djdqvhv2rT/tWfCv8Uxua > > > NLL/pSRDxRIpTSqiMxBRMg4pZHviDT2nHImaF+GTaniwEMcIsOyFGliI4a+yIsTc > > > 07c+04Ic8SwgJH8TkFoazyY04iVlujVUKEb1JWAW/q+omu091vU/z6Y+WhG95bq1 > > > PpbyXZrODc6Bc/TEnRLPxqzhYetpWVihPWzodrvLOplW48r8G9wRUbVE9jVW5A/d > > > k1mnul4f8AIlMEk3CeZIBIAoS1TRR3SMW5zddHe2q77Tj50UqFGoR4rskAgBwzxc > > > HDJJuPT/DSFajtKCQIlQiQBkzspt6dgfbUXFIiTKlm9QqP6wnUh3Lg== > > > =IK+j > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP 6.5.1i > > iQEVAwUBOpnXilY1QwxgidsZAQF6UAf+NSfUpOyqkzsGqd5O0HPMjUPZD2g+5wp5 > 1GvwPIbz1D2sw9mYmEzwXOE+F4K/SL8fBjg2c8U0gAGk7rW3gsVjDEma4c3iFB0G > asUI2O0p49uudKDDDiBWo0CuHlEAKMvkLBVdY3ez7OrJRFj4DGcGP+Uno9DQYyLZ > +BILnKLIgiLJzzt+UZgC3GpQ99kh/zIQ5gUHCALyN0Z6DwCebgf9I5xpFQqqLlFd > X0/jmNZeKWhPafenRyhBsB2GDk6D8r2umipnSBdMIR/+OTUVM8fxfVLiD/g/aKIe > 0PfdU9/A6FXRh8H4ZCo5p0HkSm0G8afqYwWxQ6I8xhN4cKChQkKX2Q== > =88rB > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu Sun Feb 25 23:50:27 2001 From: lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu (Ben Luey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dial on demand (pppd) triggered by mcast.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I did a little packet analsis and the packets are igmp packets send they are sent every minute. Any way to get them blocked or no to trigger pppd? 22:11:00.731709 192.168.254.1 > 224.0.0.1: igmp query [tos 0xc0] [ttl 1] 22:11:59.951709 192.168.254.1 > 224.0.0.13: ip-proto-103 10 [tos 0xc0] [ttl 1] 22:12:01.471709 192.168.254.1 > 224.0.0.1: igmp query [tos 0xc0] [ttl 1] On Sun, 25 Feb 2001, Ben Luey wrote: > I have pppd installed on our server to dial on demant for windows 95 > clients. Recently, I've noticed that the link is never going down and even > when all the computers are off, pppd stays active. I ran trafshow and I > keep seeing this line: > > unkn 192.168.254.1 224.0.0.13 30 > unkn 192.168.254.1* PIM-ROUTERS.MCAST.N 60 > > > Going down the ppp0 line. What is this? Our ISP recently made some server > changes -- is this related. What is ths PIM-Routers.mcast.net server at > 244.0.0.13? Why is the protocol unknown? I tried rejecting the > conenctions with ipchains, but it doesn't work, I think because the > protocol is unknown. > > Our machines are on 192.168.1.xxx How can I get our link to go down > normally again? > > [root@server /etc]# /sbin/route > Kernel IP routing table > Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use > Iface > 192.168.1.1 * 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 > eth0 > 192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 > eth0 > 127.0.0.0 * 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 lo > default 192.168.254.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 > ppp0 > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Ben > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From seg at haxxed.com Mon Feb 26 04:07:53 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] "Best" mpg player? References: <3A97401F.94672CDB@mninter.net> Message-ID: <3A9A2AF9.5030508@haxxed.com> >>> What is the "best" mpg player? >> >> MpegTV is pretty good. Not OpenSource though. aviplay/avifile can do >> MPEG4. 'plaympeg' that comes with smpeg works well enough for me. Nothing fancy, but on newer distributions you may already have it... From seg at haxxed.com Mon Feb 26 04:10:56 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Computer parts at next installfest. References: <3A95B26B.80A29CE2@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <3A9A2BB0.9070201@haxxed.com> I've got the Firenza of Doom. (Small sized station wagon) I'll probably drag a load of old craptacular monitors with me. Anyone want some? These are at best 1024x768 interlaced monitors. If no one wants 'em I can dump them in the dumpster afterwards... And I also have a perfectly good Celeron 333 slot 1 CPU I'd like to sell off... Hmmm, what else... Steve Grobe wrote: > I have a pickup we could use at the installfest/meeting after March 3, > but it's > just a little Toyota and I don't know if it would hold all of it. :-P > > Crap, now I gotta buy a bigger truck. So much for Linux being free. > > So many doorstops, so little time. > > SG, O.S.D. > > andy@theasis.com wrote: > >>> Too much stuff. >>> >>> I can't make it to the installfest but let me know if you are >>> interested. >> >> Maybe we should get someone with a van (dumptruck?) to volunteer to run >> around and make pickups of all this old junk, then deliver it to each >> installfest, where enthusiastic volunteers will collaborate to assemble >> and configure as many systems as possible, then raffle off the results at >> the end of the fest. >> >> "Hey, I got a router! >> "I got a loghost and backup server!" >> "awww, all I got was a matching set of doorstops." >> >> Andy >> >> >>> SG, O.S.D. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> tclug-list mailing list >> tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dutchman at uswest.net Mon Feb 26 04:54:47 2001 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Computer parts at next installfest. References: <3A95B26B.80A29CE2@mn.rr.com> <3A9A2BB0.9070201@haxxed.com> Message-ID: <3A9A35F7.9755B171@mn.uswest.net> I am looking for 14/15-inch monitor capable of running 800x600 or 1024x768. I would like to get more details. Please shoot me a private email. Callum Lerwick wrote: > I've got the Firenza of Doom. (Small sized station wagon) I'll probably > drag a load of old craptacular monitors with me. Anyone want some? These > are at best 1024x768 interlaced monitors. If no one wants 'em I can dump > them in the dumpster afterwards... > > And I also have a perfectly good Celeron 333 slot 1 CPU I'd like to sell > off... Hmmm, what else... > > Steve Grobe wrote: > > > I have a pickup we could use at the installfest/meeting after March 3, > > but it's > > just a little Toyota and I don't know if it would hold all of it. :-P > > > > Crap, now I gotta buy a bigger truck. So much for Linux being free. > > > > So many doorstops, so little time. > > > > SG, O.S.D. > > > > andy@theasis.com wrote: > > > >>> Too much stuff. > >>> > >>> I can't make it to the installfest but let me know if you are > >>> interested. > >> > >> Maybe we should get someone with a van (dumptruck?) to volunteer to run > >> around and make pickups of all this old junk, then deliver it to each > >> installfest, where enthusiastic volunteers will collaborate to assemble > >> and configure as many systems as possible, then raffle off the results at > >> the end of the fest. > >> > >> "Hey, I got a router! > >> "I got a loghost and backup server!" > >> "awww, all I got was a matching set of doorstops." > >> > >> Andy > >> > >> > >>> SG, O.S.D. > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> tclug-list mailing list > >> tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com From mend0070 at umn.edu Mon Feb 26 10:36:15 2001 From: mend0070 at umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network Topography/Configuration Message-ID: <200102261636.KAA27768@www5> On 25 Feb 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > For network diagrams, I use Visio 2000 professional. > > There's a linux program called Dia which aims to have the functionality of > Visio, but it's not even close. Visio was purchased by Micro$oft a year or > two ago, and it's still an excellent product. Plus, if you're sending the > diagram around to other network people, there's a good chance they'll have a > copy of Visio to read it with (You can export in just about every graphics > format though if you need to). Xfig! It's cryptic, but hell, it's *nix! (Actually, it's pretty easy, and I bet someone might have already done some libraries of objects...) From clay at fandre.com Mon Feb 26 10:58:12 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Vorbis Message-ID: <3A9A8B24.587ECF97@fandre.com> If anyone missed this interview, please read it. And let's get rid of MP3 once and for all. http://www.binaryfreedom.com/content.php?content_id=26 From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Feb 26 11:25:08 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Vorbis Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109520@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> YEAH!!! Vorbis rules. I noticed that some people are taking their MP3 files and converting them to Ogg/Vorbis.... Please don't do this. Converting one lossy format to another makes the quality even worse, and you're not gaining anything by doing this. Please rip from the original CD or WAV file, or Vorbis will not benefit you at all, and people who download these converted .ogg files will not be happy with you. Now if only audiogalaxy.com would support Vorbis files.... :) Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Clay Fandre [mailto:clay@fandre.com] > Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 10:58 AM > To: TCLUG > Subject: [TCLUG] Vorbis > > > If anyone missed this interview, please read it. And let's get rid of > MP3 once and for all. > > http://www.binaryfreedom.com/content.php?content_id=26 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tanner at real-time.com Mon Feb 26 11:49:44 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Vorbis In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109520@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Mon, Feb 26, 2001 at 11:25:08AM -0600 References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109520@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010226114944.F20991@real-time.com> Quoting Austad, Jay (austad@marketwatch.com): > YEAH!!! > > Vorbis rules. I noticed that some people are taking their MP3 files and > converting them to Ogg/Vorbis.... Please don't do this. Converting one > lossy format to another makes the quality even worse, and you're not gaining > anything by doing this. Please rip from the original CD or WAV file, or > Vorbis will not benefit you at all, and people who download these converted > .ogg files will not be happy with you. > > Now if only audiogalaxy.com would support Vorbis files.... :) Warning, people with RIOs, Vorbis will not work, so don't go converting all your CDs to vorbis if you still want to use your RIO. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Mon Feb 26 11:16:05 2001 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John Joseph Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Vorbis In-Reply-To: <3A9A8B24.587ECF97@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Mon, Feb 26, 2001 at 10:58:12AM -0600 References: <3A9A8B24.587ECF97@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20010226111605.A27648@mn.rr.com> On Mon, Feb 26, 2001 at 10:58:12AM -0600, Clay Fandre wrote: > http://www.binaryfreedom.com/content.php?content_id=26 So Ogg is no longer GPL. It will be interesting to see if that causes problems... From daniel_j_post at hotmail.com Mon Feb 26 11:56:35 2001 From: daniel_j_post at hotmail.com (Dan's Hotmail Account) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cheap old monitors References: <200102261713.f1QHDnl06650@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: Hey, I'm interested in those "dumpster" monitors. Really don't have a use (read "budget") for nice/new monitors, but I could give some junky ones a good home at my place. Don't think I could make a fair offer on the Celeron. Still wondering if Bill Layer got a better offer on that laptop, as well. daniel j post http://220centeravesouth.org Not a linux guru yet. But working on it. > Message: 11 > Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 04:10:56 -0600 > From: Callum Lerwick > Organization: Bigtime Networks Inc. > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Computer parts at next installfest. > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > I've got the Firenza of Doom. (Small sized station wagon) I'll probably > drag a load of old craptacular monitors with me. Anyone want some? These > are at best 1024x768 interlaced monitors. If no one wants 'em I can dump > them in the dumpster afterwards... > > And I also have a perfectly good Celeron 333 slot 1 CPU I'd like to sell > off... Hmmm, what else... From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Feb 26 11:58:24 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Vorbis Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109523@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Someone told me that the Archos mp3 player would eventually support it, but I haven't received any verification from them. http://www.archos.com/zone_a/products/product_1.html > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Tanner [mailto:tanner@real-time.com] > Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 11:50 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Vorbis > > > Quoting Austad, Jay (austad@marketwatch.com): > > YEAH!!! > > > > Vorbis rules. I noticed that some people are taking their > MP3 files and > > converting them to Ogg/Vorbis.... Please don't do this. > Converting one > > lossy format to another makes the quality even worse, and > you're not gaining > > anything by doing this. Please rip from the original CD or > WAV file, or > > Vorbis will not benefit you at all, and people who download > these converted > > .ogg files will not be happy with you. > > > > Now if only audiogalaxy.com would support Vorbis files.... :) > > Warning, people with RIOs, Vorbis will not work, so don't go > converting all your > CDs to vorbis if you still want to use your RIO. > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Feb 26 12:21:28 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Vorbis Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109526@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> > So Ogg is no longer GPL. It will be interesting to see > if that causes problems... It's BSD. At first, I thought this was bad, but actually, it's going to make corporations more likely to adopt it and build Vorbis functionality into their products. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: John Joseph Trammell [mailto:trammell@trammell.dyndns.org] > Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 11:16 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Vorbis > > > On Mon, Feb 26, 2001 at 10:58:12AM -0600, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > http://www.binaryfreedom.com/content.php?content_id=26 > > So Ogg is no longer GPL. It will be interesting to see > if that causes problems... > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From fertch at mninter.net Mon Feb 26 12:40:05 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Vorbis References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109526@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <3A9AA305.F97668FD@mninter.net> How's Vorbis compare to MP3? In size, replay and so forth. From m_nassar at yahoo.com Mon Feb 26 12:37:03 2001 From: m_nassar at yahoo.com (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #710 - 13 msgs In-Reply-To: <200102261713.f1QHDnl06650@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010226183703.47327.qmail@web10107.mail.yahoo.com> ill take one or two... as long as they are 15, can do 1024x768 and say 16bit color (preferably 24bit) my old CTX is finally crapping out on me... on a different subject: anyone know of a freeware C++ compiler for PalmOS? something that has all the standard libraries... and umm... i dont mean to kill your sale but doesnt that Celeron lack L1 cache? -munir > I've got the Firenza of Doom. (Small sized station > wagon) I'll probably > drag a load of old craptacular monitors with me. > Anyone want some? These > are at best 1024x768 interlaced monitors. If no one > wants 'em I can dump > them in the dumpster afterwards... > > And I also have a perfectly good Celeron 333 slot 1 > CPU I'd like to sell > off... Hmmm, what else... > > Steve Grobe wrote: > ===== -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GAT GIT dpu- s:- a19 C++ UL P+ L+(++) E--- W+ N+ w(--) K? O-- M- V- PS+ PE-(--) Y-- PGP-(---) t 5+++ X R tv-- b+++ D++ DI++ G e+ h+() r- y+ UF++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From esper at sherohman.org Mon Feb 26 12:44:56 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Vorbis In-Reply-To: <3A9AA305.F97668FD@mninter.net>; from fertch@mninter.net on Mon, Feb 26, 2001 at 12:40:05PM -0600 References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109526@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> <3A9AA305.F97668FD@mninter.net> Message-ID: <20010226124456.B16125@sherohman.org> On Mon, Feb 26, 2001 at 12:40:05PM -0600, Shawn Fertch wrote: > How's Vorbis compare to MP3? In size, replay and so forth. oggs are smaller than mp3s, everyone says they sound better (although I can't tell a 128k mp3 from a CD, so who am I to say?), and the format is patent- free, without Frauenhofer or anyone else wanting you to pay for producing hardware or software that uses it. The main downside in my experience has been that the encoding process takes a good deal longer, but, according to this interview, that's been improved greatly in the latest release. And, as Bob's pointed out, if you have any hardware mp3 players, they're not likely to recognize oggs. (If you just use PCs, though, there's ogg123, an xmms plugin, a winamp pluging, etc., so finding software to play them isn't a problem.) -- SGI products are used to create the 'Bugs' that entertain us in theatres and at home. - SGI job posting Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From dd-b at dd-b.net Mon Feb 26 12:51:49 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Software raid. In-Reply-To: <00c401c09e37$c192ff00$235ca8c0@kremer> References: <20010224024011.C5A8E274A@sitemail.everyone.net> <00c401c09e37$c192ff00$235ca8c0@kremer> Message-ID: "Justin Kremer" writes: > ...but my question to you: > why on earth would you want to build a RAID out of 2 IDE drives? > If you're going to build a RAID, I would suggest using SCSI instead (and > more than 2 drives...hell, the more the merrier...you can get decent deals > on 9 gig SCSI nowadays and a hardware RAID controller helps too...these > things are so difficult aren't they?). It will be more expensive, but > you'll be much more satisfied in the end. Because I can buy 20 gig 7200 rpm IDE drives for $129 in town. And because the RAID I built (I'm not the original poster in this thread) is a RAID-1 mirror to make me feel better about having poor backup habits. The IDE interface is plenty fast enough -- the stuff on this filesystem is mostly web content being served out over a 768k DSL link. -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From dd-b at dd-b.net Mon Feb 26 12:58:48 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My poor backup habits Message-ID: (which I just mentioned in a RAID thread) Which reminds me -- what's currently good in tape drives for linux? I've got an old, broken I think, HP DAT (straight DDS I think, 90 meter tapes, 2 gig uncompressed?) and tapes for it. Given what it cost to fix the last time, and the fact that I *had* to fix it once already, and the difference between 2 gig and the size disks I have these days, I probably ought to be thinking of a new drive. I don't think I can afford something big enough to do everything automatically on one set of tapes, because that would have to be a big exabyte or an autochanger, and I'd really rather not spend more than $500-$600 if I can manage it. The TR5 spec looks marginally adequate but the cartridges are expensive, and it looks like a DDS 3 DAT drive plus the number of tapes I'd need would be cheaper and faster. (Is dds 3 the 12 gig uncompressed?) Are there any stealth options that work well and are cheap? One of my servers already has ultra wide SCSI in it. I think I could find a free IDE port in one of them also. So either interface would work. What works well in current 2.2 kernels (I'm on redhat 6.2 roughly)? And can all modern DAT drives read the older DAT tapes? Write them? I'd like to use my old tapes if possible for scratch and things (obviously they're too short to back up much these days), and I'd like to see if I have old stats reports or web logs on them to build up my history section more. -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From dhanson2 at uswest.net Mon Feb 26 12:55:19 2001 From: dhanson2 at uswest.net (Doug Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #710 - 13 msgs References: <20010226183703.47327.qmail@web10107.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006501c0a025$aa61e3b0$eaaf7a81@doug> I am going to bring several 486's in working order as well as many parts. I have some older monitors, but most are 14". Does anyone have uses for these 486's? Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Munir Nassar" To: Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 12:37 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #710 - 13 msgs > ill take one or two... as long as they are 15, can do > 1024x768 and say 16bit color (preferably 24bit) > > my old CTX is finally crapping out on me... > > on a different subject: > anyone know of a freeware C++ compiler for PalmOS? > something that has all the standard libraries... > > and umm... i dont mean to kill your sale but doesnt > that Celeron lack L1 cache? > > -munir > > > I've got the Firenza of Doom. (Small sized station > > wagon) I'll probably > > drag a load of old craptacular monitors with me. > > Anyone want some? These > > are at best 1024x768 interlaced monitors. If no one > > wants 'em I can dump > > them in the dumpster afterwards... > > > > And I also have a perfectly good Celeron 333 slot 1 > > CPU I'd like to sell > > off... Hmmm, what else... > > > > Steve Grobe wrote: > > > > > ===== > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > Version: 3.12 > GAT GIT dpu- s:- a19 C++ UL P+ L+(++) E--- W+ N+ w(--) K? O-- M- V- PS+ PE-(--) Y-- PGP-(---) t 5+++ X R tv-- b+++ D++ DI++ G e+ h+() r- y+ UF++ > ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From dd-b at dd-b.net Mon Feb 26 13:00:31 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Def Con convention In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010224154114.00aabf90@mail.digitalguy.net> References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010224154114.00aabf90@mail.digitalguy.net> Message-ID: "Jeffrey C. Lehman" writes: > Has anyone been to any of the Def Con conventions? I started reading about > them and i guess the next one is in Las Vegas from July 13th-15th. Anyone > have personal experience or know someone who's been there? Just wondering. I know someone who's spoken at one or two of them. He said they were very interesting. -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From dd-b at dd-b.net Mon Feb 26 13:24:26 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Vorbis In-Reply-To: <20010226124456.B16125@sherohman.org> References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109526@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> <3A9AA305.F97668FD@mninter.net> <20010226124456.B16125@sherohman.org> Message-ID: Dave Sherohman writes: > On Mon, Feb 26, 2001 at 12:40:05PM -0600, Shawn Fertch wrote: > > How's Vorbis compare to MP3? In size, replay and so forth. > > oggs are smaller than mp3s, everyone says they sound better (although I can't > tell a 128k mp3 from a CD, so who am I to say?), and the format is patent- > free, without Frauenhofer or anyone else wanting you to pay for producing > hardware or software that uses it. The main downside in my experience has > been that the encoding process takes a good deal longer, but, according to > this interview, that's been improved greatly in the latest release. And, as > Bob's pointed out, if you have any hardware mp3 players, they're not likely > to recognize oggs. (If you just use PCs, though, there's ogg123, an xmms > plugin, a winamp pluging, etc., so finding software to play them isn't a > problem.) The winamp "plugin" has no install directions, and I see subdirectories for most things in the winamp plugins directory. Does the vorbis plugin just drop into the plugin directory? (As soon as the darned slow download finishes I'll have a .ogg to test with and will no doubt figure it out.) And what software do I need to rip and vorbis a CD using a scsi cd drive on a linux box? I've done all my audio on windows previously, but since the box hosting the music archive disk runs linux, it'd be easier to do it directly there. -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Feb 26 13:31:28 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Vorbis Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10952A@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> I use "grip" for ripping cd's under linux. It uses cdparanoia to grab the audio, looks up the tracks with CDDB, and encodes them with your favorite mp3 encoder or oggenc. Just drop the winamp plugin in the plugins directory of your winamp direcory. restart winamp. The file must be named with .ogg or winamp won't know what to do with it. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: David Dyer-Bennet [mailto:dd-b@dd-b.net] > Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 1:24 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Vorbis > > > Dave Sherohman writes: > > > On Mon, Feb 26, 2001 at 12:40:05PM -0600, Shawn Fertch wrote: > > > How's Vorbis compare to MP3? In size, replay and so forth. > > > > oggs are smaller than mp3s, everyone says they sound better > (although I can't > > tell a 128k mp3 from a CD, so who am I to say?), and the > format is patent- > > free, without Frauenhofer or anyone else wanting you to pay > for producing > > hardware or software that uses it. The main downside in my > experience has > > been that the encoding process takes a good deal longer, > but, according to > > this interview, that's been improved greatly in the latest > release. And, as > > Bob's pointed out, if you have any hardware mp3 players, > they're not likely > > to recognize oggs. (If you just use PCs, though, there's > ogg123, an xmms > > plugin, a winamp pluging, etc., so finding software to play > them isn't a > > problem.) > > The winamp "plugin" has no install directions, and I see > subdirectories for most things in the winamp plugins directory. Does > the vorbis plugin just drop into the plugin directory? (As soon as > the darned slow download finishes I'll have a .ogg to test with and > will no doubt figure it out.) > > And what software do I need to rip and vorbis a CD using a scsi cd > drive on a linux box? I've done all my audio on windows previously, > but since the box hosting the music archive disk runs linux, it'd be > easier to do it directly there. > -- > David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / > dd-b@dd-b.net > SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From andyzb at ltiflex.com Mon Feb 26 13:37:45 2001 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My poor backup habits References: Message-ID: <3A9AB089.6F8121A2@ltiflex.com> I'd go with a DDS3 or maybe a DDS4. DDS3 is 12gb uncompressed. I've seen a few drives on eBay for under you budget. You can't go wrong with DLT IV (someone [Sony?] released SuperDLT not to long ago, but I haven't looked into it yet.), except for price. It all depends on how much you're backing up, and how often. For me a DDS3 would be fine. Incremental backup would probably get me by on DDS2 after doing a full backup to a DDS3 tape. (For my one home box anyway.) I haven't had much experience with backups beyond DDS and DLT. I know someone who has plenty of horror stories to go along with their Echo soultion though. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Check winamps site for the latest plugin. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: andyzb.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 367 bytes Desc: Card for Andy Zbikowski Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010226/ab62c84b/andyzb.vcf From fertch at mninter.net Mon Feb 26 13:49:28 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #710 - 13 msgs References: <20010226183703.47327.qmail@web10107.mail.yahoo.com> <006501c0a025$aa61e3b0$eaaf7a81@doug> Message-ID: <3A9AB348.B6169D7C@mninter.net> Doug Hanson wrote: > > I am going to bring several 486's in working order as well as many parts. I > have some older monitors, but most are 14". Does anyone have uses for these > 486's? > > Doug Yeah, I might be able to take a couple. Higher end 486's if possible. What I don't use personally, I know some people who could use a computer. They really aren't too well off and could use a computer. The 486 may be slow, but will get them going. Shawn From jcook at k-lug.com Mon Feb 26 13:59:08 2001 From: jcook at k-lug.com (Cook, Justin S.) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Def Con convention References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010224154114.00aabf90@mail.digitalguy.net> Message-ID: <003501c0a02e$94ea59a0$b815020a@winona.msus.edu> The people I have talked to who went to them said the conferance was pretty good, but they had just as good a time just being in Las Vegas, doing the hole vegas gamble, travel, drink thing, overall, from what I've seen of it, it would be fun to do once, but i wouldnt do it anually, unless it was a bit less expensive. Justin Cook mailto:jcook@k-lug.com ----- Original Message ----- From: David Dyer-Bennet To: Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Def Con convention > "Jeffrey C. Lehman" writes: > > > Has anyone been to any of the Def Con conventions? I started reading about > > them and i guess the next one is in Las Vegas from July 13th-15th. Anyone > > have personal experience or know someone who's been there? Just wondering. > > I know someone who's spoken at one or two of them. He said they were > very interesting. > -- > David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net > SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ > Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From simeonuj at eetc.com Mon Feb 26 17:13:13 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My poor backup habits References: <3A9AB089.6F8121A2@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <3A9AE2CF.C5EB7969@eetc.com> I haven't used tapes on a linux machine, but I am using retrospect on a mac with a ADIC FastStor ( 7 DLT autoloader type 4000 ). It works amazingly well and it is very fast. We use it to back up our server over the network. I get about 100mb/s out of it on average. I know this is a little OT but I would really recommend a DLT system. Less prone to problems and much faster. Also a lot larger especially compressed. sim Andy Zbikowski wrote: > I'd go with a DDS3 or maybe a DDS4. DDS3 is 12gb uncompressed. I've seen a > few drives on eBay for under you budget. You can't go wrong with DLT IV > (someone [Sony?] released SuperDLT not to long ago, but I haven't looked > into it yet.), except for price. > > It all depends on how much you're backing up, and how often. For me a DDS3 > would be fine. Incremental backup would probably get me by on DDS2 after > doing a full backup to a DDS3 tape. (For my one home box anyway.) > > I haven't had much experience with backups beyond DDS and DLT. I know > someone who has plenty of horror stories to go along with their Echo > soultion though. > > -- > Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com > LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 > 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 > Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From mjn at umn.edu Mon Feb 26 17:28:25 2001 From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail security... Message-ID: I have a sendmail box, for majordomo, which is only really being hit by one box on our network (and that should be the only box sending mail to it since it is acting as a mail gateway to majordomo for all users). What are people's thoughts on the best way to limit delivery to sendmail. IPchains? TCPWrappers? Sendmail rules? My thinking is that compiling with tcpwrapper support is the easiest to configure and administer, so that is what I am looking at doing right now, but I am looking for other input as far as pitfalls of tcpwrappers and sendmail or if there is a better/easier to secure sendmail. Thanks. ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com http://supermonkeycollider.dyndns.org/ ____________________________ From nate at techie.com Mon Feb 26 18:34:56 2001 From: nate at techie.com (nate@techie.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #710 - 13 msgs In-Reply-To: <20010226183703.47327.qmail@web10107.mail.yahoo.com>; from m_nassar@yahoo.com on Mon, Feb 26, 2001 at 10:37:03AM -0800 References: <200102261713.f1QHDnl06650@sprite.real-time.com> <20010226183703.47327.qmail@web10107.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20010226183456.A29572@candle.dyn.dhs.org> On Mon, Feb 26, 2001 at 10:37:03AM -0800, Munir Nassar wrote: > on a different subject: > anyone know of a freeware C++ compiler for PalmOS? > something that has all the standard libraries... Just use GCC. There are some packages for creating the .prc files. I think Debian has some packages for just that. The CD that comes with "Palm Programming" has the tools too. FYI, this is all Linux based stuff. I have no idea what's available for Windows. Nate From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Mon Feb 26 18:57:43 2001 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (Gabe Turner (officer)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Matrox G450 w/32mb DDR Message-ID: <20010226185743.A56591@acm.cs.umn.edu> My old TNT2 is starting to crap out on me, so I ran out and bought a Matrox G450 w/32mb DDR memory, dual VGA-out, etc... Anyway, I can't get this thing to work with X _at all_. Anyone have one of these cards? I'm running RedHat 7.0 and XFree 3.3.6. I ran Xconfigurator to set the card up, but when it gets to testing the Xserver, my screen goes blank and my machine becomes unresponsive. Only a power-cycle will bring it back. So, I booted into single user and edited the XF86Config by hand. Everything looks normal. Using XF86_SVGA, no modules or anything. I've tried just running it in 8-bit color at 640x480, but I get the same result: total hang. Any help would be greatly appreciated. RH7 seems to install XFree4 as well as 3.3.6. How can I make it use 4 by default instead of 3.3.6? TIA, Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "I know everything there is to know about monkeys since I have seen every Tarzan movie ever made!" - Ren Hoek in "Monkey See, Monkey Don't" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Mon Feb 26 18:59:02 2001 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (Gabe Turner (officer)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail security... In-Reply-To: ; from mjn@umn.edu on Mon, Feb 26, 2001 at 05:28:25PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20010226185902.B56591@acm.cs.umn.edu> Why not just tell sendmail who can send mail to it via access.db? Gabe On Mon, Feb 26, 2001 at 05:28:25PM -0600, mjn wrote: > I have a sendmail box, for majordomo, which is only really being hit by > one box on our network (and that should be the only box sending mail to > it since it is acting as a mail gateway to majordomo for all users). > > What are people's thoughts on the best way to limit delivery to > sendmail. IPchains? TCPWrappers? Sendmail rules? > > My thinking is that compiling with tcpwrapper support is the easiest to > configure and administer, so that is what I am looking at doing right now, > but I am looking for other input as far as pitfalls of tcpwrappers and > sendmail or if there is a better/easier to secure sendmail. > > Thanks. > > ____________________________ > Mike Neuharth > ADCS Technology Specialist > http://www.umn.edu/adcs > > E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu > Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com > http://supermonkeycollider.dyndns.org/ > ____________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "I know everything there is to know about monkeys since I have seen every Tarzan movie ever made!" - Ren Hoek in "Monkey See, Monkey Don't" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Feb 26 19:49:33 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dial on demand (pppd) triggered by mcast.net References: Message-ID: <3A9B07AD.C3700799@tc.umn.edu> Ben Luey wrote: > > I have pppd installed on our server to dial on demant for windows 95 > clients. Recently, I've noticed that the link is never going down and even > when all the computers are off, pppd stays active. I ran trafshow and I > keep seeing this line: > > unkn 192.168.254.1 224.0.0.13 30 > unkn 192.168.254.1* PIM-ROUTERS.MCAST.N 60 > > Going down the ppp0 line. What is this? Our ISP recently made some server > changes -- is this related. What is ths PIM-Routers.mcast.net server at > 244.0.0.13? Why is the protocol unknown? I tried rejecting the > conenctions with ipchains, but it doesn't work, I think because the > protocol is unknown. Does trafshow have an option to do numeric output only (like `route -n'?) If you can find the protocol number, you can drop things that way. Also, if you don't use any multicast apps, you can probably just block the whole 224.0.0.0/8 network. Do you have any strange daemons running that shouldn't be? I suppose the first thing that comes to mind is mrouted, the multicast routing daemon. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Suicidal twin kills / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ sister by mistake! \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From seg at haxxed.com Mon Feb 26 19:44:39 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Monitor Details References: <3A9A60FE.7BEDA700@mn.uswest.net> Message-ID: <3A9B0687.5020601@haxxed.com> Hmmm, there seems to be some interest... Just some old monitors. 13-14in displays, Haven't taken stock of exactly what I have, but there's 2-3 that work fine, but just aren't great monitors in the first place, (1024x768 interlaced/800x600 monitors with icky dot pitch) an old genuine IBM VGA that could use a new cable spliced on, and an IBM 8415 thats kinda burned in... Works fine if you just need some text display for a firewall or something, I've got far more than I need now, so they're up for grabs. ;) From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Feb 26 20:06:32 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Matrox G450 w/32mb DDR In-Reply-To: <20010226185743.A56591@acm.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: Hi, On Mon, 26 Feb 2001, Gabe Turner wrote: > RH7 seems to install XFree4 as well as 3.3.6. How can I make it use 4 by > default instead of 3.3.6? Uninstall 3.3.6. Even when RH7 installs 4.0 it still puts SOME 3.3.6 files in! I don't know why. Once you've removed 3.3.6, look in /etc/X11/ You should see XF86Config, and XF86Config-4 (or something). Nuke (or rename XF86Config and copy XF86Config-4 to XF86Config. If you can't get it working, I'll give you my XF86Config which works with my G400 - should work fine for you. The only thing you really need to do is make sure it has Driver "mga" in the Device section. -Yaron -- From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Feb 26 20:09:41 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Vorbis In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109526@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <200102270210.f1R2Adl20521@sprite.real-time.com> On 26 Feb 2001 12:21:28 -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > > So Ogg is no longer GPL. It will be interesting to see > > if that causes problems... > > It's BSD. At first, I thought this was bad, but actually, it's going to > make corporations more likely to adopt it and build Vorbis functionality > into their products. Yes, because the BSD licsense doesn't stifle corporate interest because they are not required to make thier changes public. It's a truly free licsence IMHO. > > Jay > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: John Joseph Trammell [mailto:trammell@trammell.dyndns.org] > > Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 11:16 AM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Vorbis > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 26, 2001 at 10:58:12AM -0600, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > > > http://www.binaryfreedom.com/content.php?content_id=26 > > > > So Ogg is no longer GPL. It will be interesting to see > > if that causes problems... > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Mon Feb 26 12:16:54 2001 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John Joseph Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Vorbis In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109526@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Mon, Feb 26, 2001 at 12:21:28PM -0600 References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109526@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010226121654.A27775@mn.rr.com> On Mon, Feb 26, 2001 at 12:21:28PM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > > So Ogg is no longer GPL. It will be interesting to see > > if that causes problems... > > It's BSD. At first, I thought this was bad, but actually, it's going to > make corporations more likely to adopt it and build Vorbis functionality > into their products. Yes, I read the article. I wonder if any corporations will, erm, "embrace and extend" this looser license. We'll find out I guess. From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Feb 26 20:28:27 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #710 - 13 msgs References: <20010226183703.47327.qmail@web10107.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3A9B10CB.782182B5@tc.umn.edu> Munir Nassar wrote: > > ill take one or two... as long as they are 15, can do > 1024x768 and say 16bit color (preferably 24bit) Just FYI: Computer monitors (except for a very small subset) are analog, so they don't make a distinction in bit depths. A monitor that can do 8bpp will also be able to run at 16bpp, 24bpp, or anything else. I should point out that he mentioned that the monitors only do 1024x768 _interlaced_. I wouldn't recommend using the monitor at that resolution. Then again, maybe you don't mind if the horizontal lines on your screen jump around.. BTW, since we're talking about monitors, I just thought I'd mention my recent purchase: I picked up a decent FD (flat-fronted) Trinitron display at Best Buy for $250 just over a week ago. It's 17" (16" viewable), and the image you get at 1600x1200@65Hz from it is pretty crisp. It does have a few problems -- occasionally you can see some extremely faint ghosting, and it doesn't have all of the controls that you would expect in a high-end monitor (but heck, what do expect for a $250 Trinitron?). Anyway, it's labeled as a `micronpc.com' monitor. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Youth. It's a wonder / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ that anyone ever \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) outgrows it. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From tim at tneu.visi.com Mon Feb 26 14:42:21 2001 From: tim at tneu.visi.com (tim) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mac Powerbook 5300 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have a Mac powerbook 5300 which I would like to put Linux on. I have read up a little bit, and have found that only the Mklinux distribution runs on it due to its non-PCI archietecture. (it is a NuBus based machine). Up until now, I have been using it with MacOS as an MP3 kiosk for my stereo - but tonight when I tried to boot it, it flashes a ? floppy icon right after the smiling computer icon and does not boot. Various Mac enthusiests that I know have previously suggested that I try re-installing the OS, to fix a cronic lockup problem. My guess is whatever was causing the lockups finally got bad enough to prevent it from booting as well. So, since I need to reinstall anyway, I figure I might as well use Linux. Is anyone else familiar with Mklinux? This is my first installation on a non-intel machine. Do I need to get MacOS running again first, or can I directly install linux? Also, the machine does not have a CD-ROM drive, but I do have the external centronics 50 pin SCSI cable for it. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- What the president of the Motion Picture Association of America says about taking away your constitutional rights: "I'm rather jubilant now. What Judge Kaplan did was blow away every one of these brittle and fragile rebuttals. He threw out fair use; he threw out reverse engineering; he threw out linking." - Jack Valenti, president of the Motion Picture Association of America. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ______ _ __ "If you don't have the freedom to use what you / ' ) ) own - then you do not own anything." / o ______ / / _ . . No apologies to Jack Valenti or the MPAA / <_/ / / < / (_ Message-ID: <3A9B180C.FE513B51@tc.umn.edu> "Gabe Turner (officer)" wrote: > > My old TNT2 is starting to crap out on me, so I ran out and bought a > Matrox G450 w/32mb DDR memory, dual VGA-out, etc... Anyway, I can't get this > thing to work with X _at all_. Anyone have one of these cards? I'm > running RedHat 7.0 and XFree 3.3.6. I ran Xconfigurator to set the card > up, but when it gets to testing the Xserver, my screen goes blank and my > machine becomes unresponsive. Only a power-cycle will bring it back. Like Yaron said, you want to use XFree86 4.0.x. Matrox also has some drivers on their website that you should probably check out (Unfortunately, their drivers page seems to be down right now, but I'm sure that will get fixed fairly quickly). You'll need X 4.0.2 to use their newest driver. http://www.matrox.com/mga/support/drivers/home.cfm With XF4.0, you don't have to rename /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 -- XF4.0 will look at that file before looking at /etc/X11/XF86Config. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Drive defensively. Buy a / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ tank. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Mon Feb 26 21:12:30 2001 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (Gabe Turner (officer)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Matrox G450 w/32mb DDR In-Reply-To: <3A9B180C.FE513B51@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Mon, Feb 26, 2001 at 08:59:24PM -0600 References: <20010226185743.A56591@acm.cs.umn.edu> <3A9B180C.FE513B51@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010226211230.A59727@acm.cs.umn.edu> Yeah, that's what I figured. It seems that to get it working optimally, one would need to use 4.0.2. Unfortunately, I don't have the time to play with it ATM. I just needed to throw a card in my box and have it work. My current TNT2 works ok, but the fan on it seems to be dying and the incessant whiring and buzzing noises it's making are driving me mad. I guess my best bet would be a first gen G400. They seem to work in 3.3.6 w/o any mods. So, for now, my G450 will just have to sit in my Windows box. Gabe On Mon, Feb 26, 2001 at 08:59:24PM -0600, Michael Hicks wrote: > "Gabe Turner (officer)" wrote: > > > > My old TNT2 is starting to crap out on me, so I ran out and bought a > > Matrox G450 w/32mb DDR memory, dual VGA-out, etc... Anyway, I can't get this > > thing to work with X _at all_. Anyone have one of these cards? I'm > > running RedHat 7.0 and XFree 3.3.6. I ran Xconfigurator to set the card > > up, but when it gets to testing the Xserver, my screen goes blank and my > > machine becomes unresponsive. Only a power-cycle will bring it back. > > Like Yaron said, you want to use XFree86 4.0.x. Matrox also has some > drivers on their website that you should probably check out > (Unfortunately, their drivers page seems to be down right now, but I'm > sure that will get fixed fairly quickly). You'll need X 4.0.2 to use > their newest driver. > > http://www.matrox.com/mga/support/drivers/home.cfm > > With XF4.0, you don't have to rename /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 -- XF4.0 will > look at that file before looking at /etc/X11/XF86Config. > > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Drive defensively. Buy a > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ tank. > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Ya lousy bum!" - Muddy Mudskipper in "Stimpy's Big Day" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jasonj at innominatus.com Mon Feb 26 22:10:44 2001 From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Large Tape Drive Recommendations? Message-ID: <3A9B28C4.1233ED89@innominatus.com> Now I would like recommendations for large tape drives compatible with linux. I dont care if its SCSI or IDE or something else. I would just like something over 60-80 gig per tape that doesnt take a month to write. From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Feb 26 22:27:08 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Large Tape Drive Recommendations? Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109535@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> AIT-2! They are rather expensive though. Otherwise, DLT. AIT is much better though. AIT-2 is 100GB compressed, and tapes cost around $100 each. I have a Spectra-Logic Bullfrog 42 tape AIT-2 changer with 2 drives in it running under solaris. This unit would work with Linux too, it has Sony drives in it. Transfer speeds are very fast, it's set up as a nearline storage system (basically, it's an emulated disk), once my tape is loaded, file transfer speeds are not too much slower than actual disk transfer speeds. I think as long as you stick with SCSI, it should work, you probably don't need 4.2TB worth of compressed storage though. :) Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Jason [mailto:jasonj@innominatus.com] > Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 10:11 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Large Tape Drive Recommendations? > > > Now I would like recommendations for large tape drives compatible with > linux. I dont care if its SCSI or IDE or something else. I would just > like something over 60-80 gig per tape that doesnt take a month to > write. > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From blayer at qwest.net Tue Feb 27 14:26:16 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mac Powerbook 5300 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01022714261600.01374@Homer> Hello Tim, On Monday 26 February 2001 14:42, you wrote: > I have a Mac powerbook 5300 which I would like to put Linux on. > I have read up a little bit, and have found that only the Mklinux > distribution runs on it due to its non-PCI archietecture. (it is a NuBus > based machine). This sounds correct based on what I have read also. > Various Mac enthusiests that I know have previously suggested that I > try re-installing the OS, to fix a cronic lockup problem. My guess is > whatever was causing the lockups finally got bad enough to prevent it from > booting as well. Doubtful.. are you certain that the hard disk is not failed? I'd suggest booting with a system 7.6 disk tools floppy and checking on the status of the hard disk. You can also try zapping the PRAM (command + option + p + r if I recall, as the machine boots). You may have corrupt boot data. > Is anyone else familiar with Mklinux? This is my first installation on a > non-intel machine. > > Do I need to get MacOS running again first, or can I directly install > linux? You will need a minimal MacOS partition to boot from.. I'd suggest a 10MB partition, with a very minimal install of system 7. something. 7.01 might be a good choice, and it's free. > Also, the machine does not have a CD-ROM drive, but I do have the external > centronics 50 pin SCSI cable for it. Fine, then linux can be installed from an external SCSI hard disk or CD-ROM. If we intend to use the (3rd party external) CD-ROM, be prepared for MacOS to act extremely stupid about it.. I'll be bringing a m68k machine or two to the installfest... -- -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From blayer at qwest.net Tue Feb 27 14:47:21 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: eBay BS bigtime In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01022714472101.01374@Homer> Ok, check this out.. not only is this guy seriously lying thorough his teeth in almost every sentence on this page, but I think he is also acting as his own shill (check out the single $100 bid from a "new" user). It's fraud plain and simple.. what can you do about jerks like this seller? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1216335066 -- -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From tim at tneu.visi.com Tue Feb 27 03:01:11 2001 From: tim at tneu.visi.com (tim) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mac Powerbook 5300 In-Reply-To: <01022714261600.01374@Homer> Message-ID: On Tue, 27 Feb 2001, Bill Layer wrote: > > Various Mac enthusiests that I know have previously suggested that I > > try re-installing the OS, to fix a cronic lockup problem. My guess is > > whatever was causing the lockups finally got bad enough to prevent it from > > booting as well. > > Doubtful.. are you certain that the hard disk is not failed? I'd suggest > booting with a system 7.6 disk tools floppy and checking on the status of the > hard disk. You can also try zapping the PRAM (command + option + p + r if I > recall, as the machine boots). You may have corrupt boot data. Well, the hard disk is spinning up, and is accessed prior to the boot process failing. It is not making any unusual noises, and was working just fine until now... I think it's all right... If not, I do have another laptop SCSI hard drive that I could use. > > Is anyone else familiar with Mklinux? This is my first installation on a > > non-intel machine. > > > > Do I need to get MacOS running again first, or can I directly install > > linux? > > You will need a minimal MacOS partition to boot from.. I'd suggest a 10MB > partition, with a very minimal install of system 7. something. 7.01 might be > a good choice, and it's free. I have tried booting from a MacOS system CD, but have been unable to get it to boot using an external CD-ROM drive. This could have been a bad CD, however, since I only have one. > > Also, the machine does not have a CD-ROM drive, but I do have the external > > centronics 50 pin SCSI cable for it. > > Fine, then linux can be installed from an external SCSI hard disk or CD-ROM. > If we intend to use the (3rd party external) CD-ROM, be prepared for MacOS to > act extremely stupid about it.. > > I'll be bringing a m68k machine or two to the installfest... Do you also have a MkLinux CD? If so, I can be sure to make the installfest... I'm not sure if my external CD-ROM drive works, but perhaps someone else will have a SCSI CD-ROM at the installfest. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- What the president of the Motion Picture Association of America says about taking away your constitutional rights: "I'm rather jubilant now. What Judge Kaplan did was blow away every one of these brittle and fragile rebuttals. He threw out fair use; he threw out reverse engineering; he threw out linking." - Jack Valenti, president of the Motion Picture Association of America. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ______ _ __ "If you don't have the freedom to use what you / ' ) ) own - then you do not own anything." / o ______ / / _ . . No apologies to Jack Valenti or the MPAA / <_/ / / < / (_; from blayer@qwest.net on Tue, Feb 27, 2001 at 02:47:21PM -0600 References: <01022714472101.01374@Homer> Message-ID: <20010227085605.B4995@pchelka.space.umn.edu> On Tue, Feb 27, 2001 at 02:47:21PM -0600, Bill Layer wrote: > Ok, check this out.. not only is this guy seriously lying thorough his teeth > in almost every sentence on this page, but I think he is also acting as his > own shill (check out the single $100 bid from a "new" user). > > It's fraud plain and simple.. what can you do about jerks like this > seller? Report them to Ebay so the auction gets pulled? > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1216335066 -- Jim Crumley | crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Feb 27 09:06:01 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: eBay BS bigtime In-Reply-To: <01022714472101.01374@Homer> Message-ID: Hi, On Tue, 27 Feb 2001, Bill Layer wrote: > Ok, check this out.. not only is this guy seriously lying thorough his teeth It's probably because I'm too damn tired, but I can't see the obvious lies. Can you point them out? Other than that, report him to ebay and they'll pull it or something. -Yaron -- From mjn at umn.edu Tue Feb 27 09:55:47 2001 From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Sendmail Security... Message-ID: My understanding of the access_db feature is it is for selective denial of SMTP relaying and not necessarily for denying access to SMTP (delivery) for all but a select one or two...perhaps i am wrong in that perception. Since I am not really relaying any mail, nor do I plan on it, I don't think this is quite the fix i am looking for (again, I may be totally wrong in my understanding of access_db). While it is a nice feature for blocking unsolicited spammers, it does not perform quite the way I'd like. I'd like to deny SMTP connects from all but the mail gateway. They way we have things set up is something like this: - Novell Groupwise 5.5 with internet aliases for all of our majordomo lists and majordomo it self. - The majordomo box is set up with masquerade_as and an MX entry of the Groupwise box So all mail to majordomo should come from that one host. My thinking is that limiting SMTP access with ipchains or wrappers would provide another level of assurance and eliminate any chance that box gets used for ill. I have access_db enabled in my current sendmail.cf and, given the allowable sytax for entries, there is no (simple?) way to accomplish this. If I were to enable wrapper support, would that limit my delivery capability as well or will sendmail be free to connect to whomever it chooses and only limit who connects to it? Hope that makes sense...thanks again ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com http://supermonkeycollider.dyndns.org/ ____________________________ From dd-b at dd-b.net Tue Feb 27 10:54:35 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Vorbis In-Reply-To: <3A9AB1CC.15CD23D1@ltiflex.com> References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109526@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> <3A9AA305.F97668FD@mninter.net> <20010226124456.B16125@sherohman.org> <3A9AB1CC.15CD23D1@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: Andy Zbikowski writes: > grip is a good all around gui frontend. > > abcde is a decent console front end. > > For mp3, I use lame to encode. I've switched to oggenc now though. > > Use cdparanoia instead of cdda2wav. > > Search the tclug archives for more, see also freshmeat and the links from > the vorbis homepage. Thanks for the pointers. > Doesn't winamp use a bastardized zipfile for installing plugins/skins/etc > now? Last time I installed winamp I seem to remember it included an ogg > plugin. I could be wrong though. Check winamps site for the latest plugin. I found an ogg plugin for winamp on the ogg site, dropped it in the plugin directory, and I can play ogg files (downloaded one to test). Haven't tried encoding myself yet (on Linux or windows). -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From dd-b at dd-b.net Tue Feb 27 11:01:04 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Large Tape Drive Recommendations? In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109535@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109535@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: "Austad, Jay" writes: > AIT-2! They are rather expensive though. Otherwise, DLT. AIT is much > better though. AIT-2 is 100GB compressed, and tapes cost around $100 each. Actually, $100 for 100GB compares quite unfavorably to DDS-3 media prices. I'd love a drive in this size myself, but it's not on my budget. (And I wish people would not quote compressed sizes; most of what I have to back up is already compressed via jpeg or mp3 or zip, and my previous experience is that compression in backup can't do a thing with such files. So I need to know the *real* tape size. I know that most such claims are based on a factor of two.) -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Feb 27 11:06:53 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Sendmail Security... Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109537@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Does it accept incoming mail though (bounces, etc.)? If so, you don't want to use ipchains. If bounces go somewhere else and the box doesn't receive incoming mail, you need 2 ipchains lines. One to allow your majordomo box to talk to it, and one to allow packets that are not TCP SYN packets (otherwise, it won't be able to communicate with other mail servers when sending mail). If you use kernel 2.4, you should be able to use iptables with only the first line allowing your majordomo host, 2.4 has stateful firewalling, so you shouldn't need to worry about the second line (which is a hack to make a stupid packet filter act like a firewall and isn't nearly as secure as a true stateful firewall). Otherwise, you could switch to a more secure smtp server like qmail or postfix. There's no way in hell I will ever run sendmail again, it's like inviting people into your system. I suggest postfix, it's easy to set up, and it's designed around security. Qmail works well too, but it's kind of a beeyotch to set up, but it's very very fast. jay > -----Original Message----- > From: mjn [mailto:mjn@umn.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 9:56 AM > To: Twirling Pickles of Death > Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Sendmail Security... > > > My understanding of the access_db feature is it is for > selective denial of > SMTP relaying and not necessarily for denying access to SMTP > (delivery) > for all but a select one or two...perhaps i am wrong in that > perception. > > Since I am not really relaying any mail, nor do I plan on it, I don't > think this is quite the fix i am looking for (again, I may be totally > wrong in my understanding of access_db). While it is a nice > feature for > blocking unsolicited spammers, it does not perform quite the > way I'd like. > > I'd like to deny SMTP connects from all but the mail gateway. > They way > we have things set up is something like this: > > - Novell Groupwise 5.5 with internet aliases for all of our majordomo > lists and majordomo it self. > > - The majordomo box is set up with masquerade_as and an MX entry > of the Groupwise box > > So all mail to majordomo should come from that one host. My > thinking is > that limiting SMTP access with ipchains or wrappers would > provide another > level of assurance and eliminate any chance that box gets > used for ill. > > I have access_db enabled in my current sendmail.cf and, given the > allowable sytax for entries, there is no (simple?) way to > accomplish this. > > If I were to enable wrapper support, would that limit my delivery > capability as well or will sendmail be free to connect to whomever it > chooses and only limit who connects to it? > > Hope that makes sense...thanks again > > ____________________________ > Mike Neuharth > ADCS Technology Specialist > http://www.umn.edu/adcs > > E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu > Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com > http://supermonkeycollider.dyndns.org/ > ____________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Feb 27 11:06:53 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Sendmail Security... Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109537@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Does it accept incoming mail though (bounces, etc.)? If so, you don't want to use ipchains. If bounces go somewhere else and the box doesn't receive incoming mail, you need 2 ipchains lines. One to allow your majordomo box to talk to it, and one to allow packets that are not TCP SYN packets (otherwise, it won't be able to communicate with other mail servers when sending mail). If you use kernel 2.4, you should be able to use iptables with only the first line allowing your majordomo host, 2.4 has stateful firewalling, so you shouldn't need to worry about the second line (which is a hack to make a stupid packet filter act like a firewall and isn't nearly as secure as a true stateful firewall). Otherwise, you could switch to a more secure smtp server like qmail or postfix. There's no way in hell I will ever run sendmail again, it's like inviting people into your system. I suggest postfix, it's easy to set up, and it's designed around security. Qmail works well too, but it's kind of a beeyotch to set up, but it's very very fast. jay > -----Original Message----- > From: mjn [mailto:mjn@umn.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 9:56 AM > To: Twirling Pickles of Death > Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Sendmail Security... > > > My understanding of the access_db feature is it is for > selective denial of > SMTP relaying and not necessarily for denying access to SMTP > (delivery) > for all but a select one or two...perhaps i am wrong in that > perception. > > Since I am not really relaying any mail, nor do I plan on it, I don't > think this is quite the fix i am looking for (again, I may be totally > wrong in my understanding of access_db). While it is a nice > feature for > blocking unsolicited spammers, it does not perform quite the > way I'd like. > > I'd like to deny SMTP connects from all but the mail gateway. > They way > we have things set up is something like this: > > - Novell Groupwise 5.5 with internet aliases for all of our majordomo > lists and majordomo it self. > > - The majordomo box is set up with masquerade_as and an MX entry > of the Groupwise box > > So all mail to majordomo should come from that one host. My > thinking is > that limiting SMTP access with ipchains or wrappers would > provide another > level of assurance and eliminate any chance that box gets > used for ill. > > I have access_db enabled in my current sendmail.cf and, given the > allowable sytax for entries, there is no (simple?) way to > accomplish this. > > If I were to enable wrapper support, would that limit my delivery > capability as well or will sendmail be free to connect to whomever it > chooses and only limit who connects to it? > > Hope that makes sense...thanks again > > ____________________________ > Mike Neuharth > ADCS Technology Specialist > http://www.umn.edu/adcs > > E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu > Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com > http://supermonkeycollider.dyndns.org/ > ____________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From cfandre at maddog.mn-linux.org Tue Feb 27 11:04:16 2001 From: cfandre at maddog.mn-linux.org (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG Installfest Registration Message-ID: <3A9BDE10.D3E8B926@maddog.mn-linux.org> If you are planning on attending the TCLUG Installfest this Saturday, please take a moment and register. This will help us determine space and power needs. Also take a sec and take the poll on the TCLUG website. You can register here: http://www.mn-linux.org/installfest/registration.php For more info on the installfest, go here: http://www.mn-linux.org/installfest/ Please send any comments or questions to info@mn-linux.org _______________________________________________ tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From wyatt at coolsend.com Tue Feb 27 11:20:38 2001 From: wyatt at coolsend.com (Chuck Larson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] In need of Primary and Backup DNS Message-ID: <20010227172038.C33D836F9@sitemail.everyone.net> I just recently accuired a domain name. I do not have a static ip. If I am not mistaken, I am in need of a primary and backup DNS server. _____________________________________________________________ Domain powered by www.iReg.com E-mail powered by www.1FreeEmail.com From daniel_j_post at hotmail.com Tue Feb 27 11:26:59 2001 From: daniel_j_post at hotmail.com (Dan's Hotmail Account) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 486's References: <200102270237.f1R2bDl21686@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: I could take a few off your hands as well. Am working on building an in-home network and want a couple 486's to play with as I learn to build firewalls. Think you could slip a NIC into one? > Doug Hanson wrote: > > > > I am going to bring several 486's in working order as well as many parts. I > > have some older monitors, but most are 14". Does anyone have uses for these > > 486's? > > > > Doug From blayer at qwest.net Tue Feb 27 17:16:45 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mac Powerbook 5300 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01022717164503.01374@Homer> Tim, On Tuesday 27 February 2001 03:01, you wrote: > Well, the hard disk is spinning up, and is accessed prior to the boot > process failing. Ok, so you mean to say that it looks, but can't find anything? Safe to say that (in the least) some data is missing. Corrupt / unblessed System folder etc. It is not making any unusual noises, and was working > just fine until now... I think it's all right... If not, I do have > another laptop SCSI hard drive that I could use. Might need it. > I have tried booting from a MacOS system CD, but have been unable to get > it to boot using an external CD-ROM drive. This could have been a bad CD, > however, since I only have one. normally that is done by holding down 'c' as the machine starts. If it won't go, it could be because the external CD-ROM is not Genuine Apple on the firmware level. (Is it?) I Do have a good bootable system 7.6 CD, as well as the startup floppies (which can be made from the CD). > Do you also have a MkLinux CD? If so, I can be sure to make the > installfest... I have never used mklinux, only Debian m68k on the Macs. I'm not aware of a .iso image for m68k Debian, but I do have the base install set burned to a cd-rom. Once you install the base, the machine can get the rest from the Internet with apt. I'm not sure if my external CD-ROM drive works, but > perhaps someone else will have a SCSI CD-ROM at the installfest. I'll have at least one.. -- -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu Tue Feb 27 10:52:20 2001 From: lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu (Ben Luey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dial on demand (pppd) triggered by mcast.net In-Reply-To: <3A9B07AD.C3700799@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: > Does trafshow have an option to do numeric output only (like `route > -n'?) If you can find the protocol number, you can drop things that Below is the output from trafshow and trafshow -n. The -n stop dns resolution, but trafshow doesn't recognize the protocol type (igmp) and doesn't display an port numbers. ipchains doesn't seem to filter igmp since /sbin/ipchains -A input -p all -j REJECT -s 224.0.0.0/8 -i ppp0 -d $ALL /sbin/ipchains -A input -p all -j REJECT -d 224.0.0.0/8 -i ppp0 -s $ALL /sbin/ipchains -A output -p all -j REJECT -s 224.0.0.0/8 -i ppp0 -d $ALL /sbin/ipchains -A output -p all -j REJECT -d 224.0.0.0/8 -i ppp0 -s $ALL does nothing ($ALL=0.0.0.0/0) > way. Also, if you don't use any multicast apps, you can probably just > block the whole 224.0.0.0/8 network. How? I don't use any multicast apps. But if I can't block it with ipchains, what can I use. > Do you have any strange daemons running that shouldn't be? I suppose > the first thing that comes to mind is mrouted, the multicast routing > daemon. I'm not even running routed, so I don't know what daemon could be the problem. Any idea? Thanks, Ben On Mon, 26 Feb 2001, Michael Hicks wrote: > Ben Luey wrote: > > > > I have pppd installed on our server to dial on demant for windows 95 > > clients. Recently, I've noticed that the link is never going down and even > > when all the computers are off, pppd stays active. I ran trafshow and I > > keep seeing this line: > > > > unkn 192.168.254.1 224.0.0.13 30 > > unkn 192.168.254.1* PIM-ROUTERS.MCAST.N 60 > > > > Going down the ppp0 line. What is this? Our ISP recently made some server > > changes -- is this related. What is ths PIM-Routers.mcast.net server at > > 244.0.0.13? Why is the protocol unknown? I tried rejecting the > > conenctions with ipchains, but it doesn't work, I think because the > > protocol is unknown. > > > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Suicidal twin kills > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ sister by mistake! > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Feb 27 12:03:15 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] In need of Primary and Backup DNS Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10953B@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> granitecanyon.com It's free. > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Larson [mailto:wyatt@coolsend.com] > Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 11:21 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] In need of Primary and Backup DNS > > > I just recently accuired a domain name. I do not have a > static ip. If I am not mistaken, I am in need of a primary > and backup DNS server. > > _____________________________________________________________ > Domain powered by www.iReg.com > E-mail powered by www.1FreeEmail.com > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From clay at fandre.com Tue Feb 27 12:24:37 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 486's References: <200102270237.f1R2bDl21686@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <3A9BF0E5.E17754D7@fandre.com> Dan's Hotmail Account wrote: > > I could take a few off your hands as well. Am working on building an in-home > network and want a couple 486's to play with as I learn to build firewalls. > Think you could slip a NIC into one? I'm hearing a lot of interest in buying/selling old computer equipment. I will reserve a spot at the installfest where you can put equipment that you want to sell so others can browse through it. (Kind of like a rummage sale.) So bring anything you want to get rid of, (computer related, please) because you know what they say: "One mans junk is another man's treasure." And boy, do I have a lot of treasures. From clay at fandre.com Tue Feb 27 12:27:46 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] In need of Primary and Backup DNS References: <20010227172038.C33D836F9@sitemail.everyone.net> Message-ID: <3A9BF1A2.5F4F024C@fandre.com> Chuck Larson wrote: > > I just recently accuired a domain name. I do not have a static ip. If I am not mistaken, I am in need of a primary and backup DNS server. > Who is your domain registered through? (iReg.com?) Register.com does handle DNS for you. Not sure about the others. From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Tue Feb 27 14:28:31 2001 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Sendmail Security... Message-ID: I have not read on the access_db feature in some time, but I do know that tcpwrappers will only protect connections coming in on ports you specify, and only when the initial connection is made (for persistent connections). Programs running on your box will be able to connect to whom ever they please, unaffected by tcpwrappers. >>> mjn@umn.edu 02/27/01 09:55AM >>> My understanding of the access_db feature is it is for selective denial of SMTP relaying and not necessarily for denying access to SMTP (delivery) for all but a select one or two...perhaps i am wrong in that perception. Since I am not really relaying any mail, nor do I plan on it, I don't think this is quite the fix i am looking for (again, I may be totally wrong in my understanding of access_db). While it is a nice feature for blocking unsolicited spammers, it does not perform quite the way I'd like. I'd like to deny SMTP connects from all but the mail gateway. They way we have things set up is something like this: - Novell Groupwise 5.5 with internet aliases for all of our majordomo lists and majordomo it self. - The majordomo box is set up with masquerade_as and an MX entry of the Groupwise box So all mail to majordomo should come from that one host. My thinking is that limiting SMTP access with ipchains or wrappers would provide another level of assurance and eliminate any chance that box gets used for ill. I have access_db enabled in my current sendmail.cf and, given the allowable sytax for entries, there is no (simple?) way to accomplish this. If I were to enable wrapper support, would that limit my delivery capability as well or will sendmail be free to connect to whomever it chooses and only limit who connects to it? Hope that makes sense...thanks again ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com http://supermonkeycollider.dyndns.org/ ____________________________ _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Tue Feb 27 14:29:50 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] MP3 Verifier? Message-ID: <3A9C0E3E.80C173E1@tc.umn.edu> Does anyone know of a utility for verifying MP3 files under Linux? I had some disk corruption a while ago, and I'd like to find all of my broken sound files so I can re-rip and encode them. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ When everything is coming / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ your way, you're in the \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) wrong lane. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Tue Feb 27 15:24:24 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] MP3 Verifier? In-Reply-To: <3A9C0E3E.80C173E1@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Tue, Feb 27, 2001 at 02:29:50PM -0600 References: <3A9C0E3E.80C173E1@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010227152424.A8080@pchelka.space.umn.edu> On Tue, Feb 27, 2001 at 02:29:50PM -0600, Michael Hicks wrote: > Does anyone know of a utility for verifying MP3 files under Linux? I > had some disk corruption a while ago, and I'd like to find all of my > broken sound files so I can re-rip and encode them. I don't know of any verification utility, so I would probably just use a one liner with a commandline mp3 player and test the mp3s by playing them. In [t]csh: find . -name "*.mp3" -print -exec mpg123 {} \; >& mp3.log ( the >& writes both standard out and and standard error to the file - I don't remember the Bourne syntax) Run that command, and then search the log file for error messages. Not very elegant, but it should work fine. Of course if you have a lot of mp3s it would take a while - you might be able to speed the process up by sending the audio to /dev/null or something. -- Jim Crumley | crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | From Rodney.Ray at childrenshc.org Tue Feb 27 15:12:40 2001 From: Rodney.Ray at childrenshc.org (Rodney Ray) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Perl script help Message-ID: Here is the deal. I want to use perl to ping a server and need to get the address from a flat file that has a fix file format. The field that I'm tring to get is the second column in the file. Any Perl experts that could help me get this thing working on my box. The grep4=ntharg(entry,2,\":\");\ returns the the second field but I can't get ping to use the the grep4. APPLICATIONS = { { NAME = "ROUTERS", ACTIVE = True, SECURITY = False, PROPAGATE_STATE = True, CREATE_ICON = True, SUSPEND_GLOBAL_PARAMS = False, SHOWINST = False, DISCOVERY_TIME = 60, DISCOVERY = PSL, PRE_DISCOVERY_TEXT = 922285734 "#unix_only.psl\ PslDebug = 0;\ \ # if the config file doesn't exist, continue with pre-discovery only\ #\ if (file(get(\"/patrolHome\").\"/lib/local_alerts/network.config\")) {\ set(\"active\",2);\ }\ else {\ set(\"active\",1);\ }", DISCOVERY_TEXT = 955039061 "#\ DEBUG=0;\ #\ icons = get(\"/ROUTERS/instances\");\ foreach y (icons)\ {\ set(\"/ROUTERS/\".y.\"/online\",0);\ }\ #\ #\ infile = cat(get(\"/patrolHome\").\"/lib/local_alerts/network.config\");\ #\ #\ foreach entry (infile) {\ label=ntharg(entry,1,\":\");\ grep4=ntharg(entry,2,\":\");\ num_needed=ntharg(entry,3,\":\");\ if (!exists(\"/ROUTERS/\".label)) {\ create(label.\"-Master\",label,OK);\ }\ set(\"/ROUTERS/\".label.\"-Master/online\",1);\ foreach proc (process(grep4)) {\ cnt++;\ # pid = ntharg(proc,1);\ # set(\"/ROUTERS/\".pid.\"/online\",1);\ # if (!exists(pid)) {\ # create(pid,label.\"-\".pid,OK);\ # # turn off the alarm parameter for this instance\ # # - only need to see it for Master instances\ # set(\"/ROUTERS/\".pid.\"/PROProcAlarm/active\",0);\ # }\ }\ if (DEBUG) { print(\"\\nPID= \".pid); }\ set(\"/ROUTERS/\".label.\"-Master/num_needed\",num_needed);\ set(\"/ROUTERS/\".label.\"-Master/num_now\",cnt);\ if ( cnt < num_needed) {\ set(\"/ROUTERS/\".label.\"-Master/PROProcAlarm/value\",1);\ }\ else {\ set(\"/ROUTERS/\".label.\"-Master/PROProcAlarm/value\",0);\ }\ cnt=0;\ }\ #\ # Remove instances that no longer exist\ #\ foreach z (icons)\ {\ if( ! get(\"/ROUTERS/\".z.\"/online\") )\ {\ destroy(z);\ }\ }\ ", OK_PICTURE = "process_ok.xpm", WRONG_PICTURE = "process_warn.xpm", PARAMETERS = { { NAME = "PROProcAlarm", PARAM_TYPE = CONSUMER, ACTIVE = True, MONITOR = True, CHECK = False, BASE_COMMAND = { { COMPUTER_TYPE = "ALL_COMPUTERS", COMMAND_TYPE = "OS", COMMAND_TEXT = 845406750 "exit;"} }, TITLE = "ProcessAlarm", HISTORY_TIME = "", HISTORY_SPAN = 16, HISTORY_LEVEL = False, FORMAT = "%f", OUTPUT = OUTPUT_STATEBOOLEAN, AUTO_RESCALE = False, Y_AXIS_MIN = 0, Y_AXIS_MAX = 1, RANGES = { { NAME = "BORDER", ACTIVE = False, MINIMUM = 0, MAXIMUM = 0, STATE = OK, ALARM_WHEN = ALARM_INSTANT, ALARM_WHEN_N = 0 }, { NAME = "ALARM1", ACTIVE = False, MINIMUM = 0, MAXIMUM = 0, STATE = OK, ALARM_WHEN = ALARM_INSTANT, ALARM_WHEN_N = 0 }, { NAME = "ALARM2", ACTIVE = True, MINIMUM = 1, MAXIMUM = 1, STATE = ALARM, ALARM_WHEN = ALARM_INSTANT, ALARM_WHEN_N = 0 } } } } } } !30551 From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Feb 27 15:27:26 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] MP3 Verifier? Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10953F@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> > Does anyone know of a utility for verifying MP3 files under Linux? I > had some disk corruption a while ago, and I'd like to find all of my > broken sound files so I can re-rip and encode them. xmms plus a wireless beam of acoustic waves to 2 human audio input detectors. :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Hicks [mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 2:30 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] MP3 Verifier? > > > Does anyone know of a utility for verifying MP3 files under Linux? I > had some disk corruption a while ago, and I'd like to find all of my > broken sound files so I can re-rip and encode them. > > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ When everything is coming > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ your way, you're in the > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) wrong lane. > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | > mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From kent at structural-wood.com Tue Feb 27 15:42:53 2001 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cable modems Message-ID: <3A9C1F5D.B385C5FB@structural-wood.com> Hi, My brother is running a linux system and wants to get hooked up to the internet via cable. He is wondering what sort of issues are going to come up. What sort of device will he be given to connect to the cable? Is it something internal to the PC or connected via a network card, or ???. Is he going to get hassled for running Linux. ??? Thanks, Kent From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu Tue Feb 27 15:53:23 2001 From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] MP3 Verifier? Message-ID: <010227155323.20322a74@dcmir.med.umn.edu> Hi I ran across something called sfinfo, which, according to the docs at least is supposed to do what you're looking for. Can't say for sure cuz I'm still struggling with the audio stuff myself. Ed Hoeffner 1-271 BSBE 312 Church St. SE Mpls, MN 55455 hoeffner@dcmir.med.umn.edu 612-625-2115 612-625-2163 fax From dd-b at dd-b.net Tue Feb 27 15:48:21 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] In need of Primary and Backup DNS In-Reply-To: <20010227172038.C33D836F9@sitemail.everyone.net> References: <20010227172038.C33D836F9@sitemail.everyone.net> Message-ID: Chuck Larson writes: > I just recently accuired a domain name. I do not have a static ip. > If I am not mistaken, I am in need of a primary and backup DNS > server. But first you are in need of a static IP. Although I think there are some specialized DNS services that can track the changes to your dynamic IP and keep up with it, maybe. -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Tue Feb 27 16:03:28 2001 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Perl script help In-Reply-To: ; from Rodney.Ray@childrenshc.org on Tue, Feb 27, 2001 at 03:12:40PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20010227160328.D1475@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Well, there are already "standard" UNIX commands that can help you with this. I think you could do this with the cut: If your file has fields delmited with some character (e.g. ;), then try cut -d ";" -f 2 > temp-file should do it. Then, you can do what you want with temp-file. Write a perl script to open it and ping whatever's on each line of the file. You can use perl to do it all if you want to - maybe it's a good learning experience for you, but I firmly believe in the use of currently existing tools... I mean, that's what they're there for, right? :) Gabe On Tue, Feb 27, 2001 at 03:12:40PM -0600, Rodney Ray wrote: > Here is the deal. I want to use perl to ping a server and need to get the address from a flat file that has a fix file format. The field that I'm tring to get is the second column in the file. Any Perl experts that could help me get this thing working on my box. The grep4=ntharg(entry,2,\":\");\ returns the the second field but I can't get ping to use the the grep4. > > > > > > > > APPLICATIONS = { > { NAME = "ROUTERS", > ACTIVE = True, > SECURITY = False, > PROPAGATE_STATE = True, > CREATE_ICON = True, > SUSPEND_GLOBAL_PARAMS = False, > SHOWINST = False, > DISCOVERY_TIME = 60, > DISCOVERY = PSL, > PRE_DISCOVERY_TEXT = 922285734 "#unix_only.psl\ > > > PslDebug = 0;\ > \ > # if the config file doesn't exist, continue with pre-discovery only\ > #\ > if (file(get(\"/patrolHome\").\"/lib/local_alerts/network.config\")) {\ > set(\"active\",2);\ > }\ > else {\ > set(\"active\",1);\ > }", > DISCOVERY_TEXT = 955039061 "#\ > DEBUG=0;\ > #\ > icons = get(\"/ROUTERS/instances\");\ > foreach y (icons)\ > {\ > set(\"/ROUTERS/\".y.\"/online\",0);\ > }\ > #\ > #\ > infile = cat(get(\"/patrolHome\").\"/lib/local_alerts/network.config\");\ > #\ > #\ > foreach entry (infile) {\ > label=ntharg(entry,1,\":\");\ > grep4=ntharg(entry,2,\":\");\ > num_needed=ntharg(entry,3,\":\");\ > if (!exists(\"/ROUTERS/\".label)) {\ > create(label.\"-Master\",label,OK);\ > }\ > set(\"/ROUTERS/\".label.\"-Master/online\",1);\ > foreach proc (process(grep4)) {\ > cnt++;\ > # pid = ntharg(proc,1);\ > # set(\"/ROUTERS/\".pid.\"/online\",1);\ > # if (!exists(pid)) {\ > # create(pid,label.\"-\".pid,OK);\ > # # turn off the alarm parameter for this instance\ > # # - only need to see it for Master instances\ > # set(\"/ROUTERS/\".pid.\"/PROProcAlarm/active\",0);\ > # }\ > }\ > if (DEBUG) { print(\"\\nPID= \".pid); }\ > set(\"/ROUTERS/\".label.\"-Master/num_needed\",num_needed);\ > set(\"/ROUTERS/\".label.\"-Master/num_now\",cnt);\ > if ( cnt < num_needed) {\ > set(\"/ROUTERS/\".label.\"-Master/PROProcAlarm/value\",1);\ > }\ > else {\ > set(\"/ROUTERS/\".label.\"-Master/PROProcAlarm/value\",0);\ > }\ > cnt=0;\ > }\ > #\ > # Remove instances that no longer exist\ > #\ > foreach z (icons)\ > {\ > if( ! get(\"/ROUTERS/\".z.\"/online\") )\ > {\ > destroy(z);\ > }\ > }\ > ", > OK_PICTURE = "process_ok.xpm", > WRONG_PICTURE = "process_warn.xpm", > PARAMETERS = { > { NAME = "PROProcAlarm", PARAM_TYPE = CONSUMER, ACTIVE = True, MONITOR = True, CHECK = False, > BASE_COMMAND = { > { COMPUTER_TYPE = "ALL_COMPUTERS", COMMAND_TYPE = "OS", > COMMAND_TEXT = 845406750 "exit;"} > }, > TITLE = "ProcessAlarm", > HISTORY_TIME = "", HISTORY_SPAN = 16, HISTORY_LEVEL = False, > FORMAT = "%f", OUTPUT = OUTPUT_STATEBOOLEAN, > AUTO_RESCALE = False, Y_AXIS_MIN = 0, Y_AXIS_MAX = 1, > RANGES = { > { NAME = "BORDER", ACTIVE = False, MINIMUM = 0, MAXIMUM = 0, STATE = OK, ALARM_WHEN = ALARM_INSTANT, ALARM_WHEN_N = 0 > }, > { NAME = "ALARM1", ACTIVE = False, MINIMUM = 0, MAXIMUM = 0, STATE = OK, ALARM_WHEN = ALARM_INSTANT, ALARM_WHEN_N = 0 > }, > { NAME = "ALARM2", ACTIVE = True, MINIMUM = 1, MAXIMUM = 1, STATE = ALARM, ALARM_WHEN = ALARM_INSTANT, ALARM_WHEN_N = 0 > } > } > } > > } > } > } > !30551 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "You've really lost it this time....you've lost your mind!" - Ren finds out about Stimpy's Stinky Butt Fantasy in "Son Of Stimpy" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From chrome at real-time.com Tue Feb 27 16:22:25 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Matrox G450 w/32mb DDR In-Reply-To: <20010226185743.A56591@acm.cs.umn.edu>; from dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu on Mon, Feb 26, 2001 at 06:57:43PM -0600 References: <20010226185743.A56591@acm.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010227162225.A12608@real-time.com> > My old TNT2 is starting to crap out on me, so I ran out and bought a > Matrox G450 w/32mb DDR memory, dual VGA-out, etc... Anyway, I can't get this > thing to work with X _at all_. Anyone have one of these cards? yeah, I've got one. I made it work with the binary driver from Matrox. it's actually very straightforward. just DL the binary from Matrox's site (just search for linux drivers); and insert the .o file from Matrox, in place of the stock one in XF86. reboot and away you go. you don't necessarily need the exact same version #, either. I've been running the binary for X4.0.1, in an X4.0.2 installation; and it makes note of it at startup time, but seems to work otherwise. it's only crashed a few times; and Netscape seemed to be at fault in all of them. (crashed 3 times in one night, and never again). I think the srpms from 'wolverine' have some degree of G450 support in them; when Nate was building X, I saw mention of it go by. haven't actually tried it myself yet. no, I haven't gotten the second head working yet. then again, I haven't really tried yet. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Tue Feb 27 16:26:50 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Large Tape Drive Recommendations? In-Reply-To: <3A9B28C4.1233ED89@innominatus.com>; from jasonj@innominatus.com on Mon, Feb 26, 2001 at 10:10:44PM -0600 References: <3A9B28C4.1233ED89@innominatus.com> Message-ID: <20010227162650.B12608@real-time.com> > Now I would like recommendations for large tape drives compatible with > linux. I dont care if its SCSI or IDE or something else. I would just > like something over 60-80 gig per tape that doesnt take a month to > write. look at IBM's LTO (Linear Tape Open) drives. 100 GB uncompressed; and very fast. A friend of mine admins an AIX box with a Shark drive array; and was one of the first to get some of these things. He says they're great. they aren't cheap; but I think they're slightly larger than AIT-2 (I could be wrong), and not completely unreasonably priced (at least not for IBM's target market). Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu Tue Feb 27 16:27:11 2001 From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Perl script help Message-ID: <010227162711.20322a74@dcmir.med.umn.edu> > cut -d ";" -f 2 > temp-file or how about: awk '{system("ping " $2)}' Ed Hoeffner 1-271 BSBE 312 Church St. SE Mpls, MN 55455 hoeffner@dcmir.med.umn.edu 612-625-2115 612-625-2163 fax From goldman at htc.honeywell.com Tue Feb 27 16:45:55 2001 From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Perl script help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <15004.11811.722477.233261@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> >>>>> "RR" == Rodney Ray writes: RR> Here is the deal. I want to use perl to ping a server and need RR> to get the address from a flat file that has a fix file RR> format. The field that I'm tring to get is the second column RR> in the file. Any Perl experts that could help me get this RR> thing working on my box. The grep4=ntharg(entry,2,\":\");\ RR> returns the the second field but I can't get ping to use the RR> the grep4. If you've got a field separator, can't you just use split to chop up each line of the input, then grab the nth field? Something like open(INFILE, "/lib/local_alerts/network.config"); while () { chomp; my @fields = split /$fieldsep/; my $target = $fields[2]; # now I'm hazy about what you're trying to do with the ping.... system "ping $target"; } close(INFILE); of course there's a zillion ways to improve that.... R From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Tue Feb 27 16:38:38 2001 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Perl script help Message-ID: In case you do want to use perl to do it, here is some possiblyhelpful example code: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- use Net::Ping; my $pingobj = Net::Ping->new('icmp', 3); while (<>) { my @line = split(';', $_); push @hosts, $line[2]; } foreach $host (@hosts) { $result = $pingobj->ping($host); print "host = $host, result = $result\n"; } ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Warning: This code is untested. Good luck. Troy >>> dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu 02/27/01 04:03PM >>> Well, there are already "standard" UNIX commands that can help you with this. I think you could do this with the cut: If your file has fields delmited with some character (e.g. ;), then try cut -d ";" -f 2 > temp-file should do it. Then, you can do what you want with temp-file. Write a perl script to open it and ping whatever's on each line of the file. You can use perl to do it all if you want to - maybe it's a good learning experience for you, but I firmly believe in the use of currently existing tools... I mean, that's what they're there for, right? :) Gabe On Tue, Feb 27, 2001 at 03:12:40PM -0600, Rodney Ray wrote: > Here is the deal. I want to use perl to ping a server and need to get the address from a flat file that has a fix file format. The field that I'm tring to get is the second column in the file. Any Perl experts that could help me get this thing working on my box. The grep4=ntharg(entry,2,\":\");\ returns the the second field but I can't get ping to use the the grep4. > > > > > > > > APPLICATIONS = { > { NAME = "ROUTERS", > ACTIVE = True, > SECURITY = False, > PROPAGATE_STATE = True, > CREATE_ICON = True, > SUSPEND_GLOBAL_PARAMS = False, > SHOWINST = False, > DISCOVERY_TIME = 60, > DISCOVERY = PSL, > PRE_DISCOVERY_TEXT = 922285734 "#unix_only.psl\ > > > PslDebug = 0;\ > \ > # if the config file doesn't exist, continue with pre-discovery only\ > #\ > if (file(get(\"/patrolHome\").\"/lib/local_alerts/network.config\")) {\ > set(\"active\",2);\ > }\ > else {\ > set(\"active\",1);\ > }", > DISCOVERY_TEXT = 955039061 "#\ > DEBUG=0;\ > #\ > icons = get(\"/ROUTERS/instances\");\ > foreach y (icons)\ > {\ > set(\"/ROUTERS/\".y.\"/online\",0);\ > }\ > #\ > #\ > infile = cat(get(\"/patrolHome\").\"/lib/local_alerts/network.config\");\ > #\ > #\ > foreach entry (infile) {\ > label=ntharg(entry,1,\":\");\ > grep4=ntharg(entry,2,\":\");\ > num_needed=ntharg(entry,3,\":\");\ > if (!exists(\"/ROUTERS/\".label)) {\ > create(label.\"-Master\",label,OK);\ > }\ > set(\"/ROUTERS/\".label.\"-Master/online\",1);\ > foreach proc (process(grep4)) {\ > cnt++;\ > # pid = ntharg(proc,1);\ > # set(\"/ROUTERS/\".pid.\"/online\",1);\ > # if (!exists(pid)) {\ > # create(pid,label.\"-\".pid,OK);\ > # # turn off the alarm parameter for this instance\ > # # - only need to see it for Master instances\ > # set(\"/ROUTERS/\".pid.\"/PROProcAlarm/active\",0);\ > # }\ > }\ > if (DEBUG) { print(\"\\nPID= \".pid); }\ > set(\"/ROUTERS/\".label.\"-Master/num_needed\",num_needed);\ > set(\"/ROUTERS/\".label.\"-Master/num_now\",cnt);\ > if ( cnt < num_needed) {\ > set(\"/ROUTERS/\".label.\"-Master/PROProcAlarm/value\",1);\ > }\ > else {\ > set(\"/ROUTERS/\".label.\"-Master/PROProcAlarm/value\",0);\ > }\ > cnt=0;\ > }\ > #\ > # Remove instances that no longer exist\ > #\ > foreach z (icons)\ > {\ > if( ! get(\"/ROUTERS/\".z.\"/online\") )\ > {\ > destroy(z);\ > }\ > }\ > ", > OK_PICTURE = "process_ok.xpm", > WRONG_PICTURE = "process_warn.xpm", > PARAMETERS = { > { NAME = "PROProcAlarm", PARAM_TYPE = CONSUMER, ACTIVE = True, MONITOR = True, CHECK = False, > BASE_COMMAND = { > { COMPUTER_TYPE = "ALL_COMPUTERS", COMMAND_TYPE = "OS", > COMMAND_TEXT = 845406750 "exit;"} > }, > TITLE = "ProcessAlarm", > HISTORY_TIME = "", HISTORY_SPAN = 16, HISTORY_LEVEL = False, > FORMAT = "%f", OUTPUT = OUTPUT_STATEBOOLEAN, > AUTO_RESCALE = False, Y_AXIS_MIN = 0, Y_AXIS_MAX = 1, > RANGES = { > { NAME = "BORDER", ACTIVE = False, MINIMUM = 0, MAXIMUM = 0, STATE = OK, ALARM_WHEN = ALARM_INSTANT, ALARM_WHEN_N = 0 > }, > { NAME = "ALARM1", ACTIVE = False, MINIMUM = 0, MAXIMUM = 0, STATE = OK, ALARM_WHEN = ALARM_INSTANT, ALARM_WHEN_N = 0 > }, > { NAME = "ALARM2", ACTIVE = True, MINIMUM = 1, MAXIMUM = 1, STATE = ALARM, ALARM_WHEN = ALARM_INSTANT, ALARM_WHEN_N = 0 > } > } > } > > } > } > } > !30551 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "You've really lost it this time....you've lost your mind!" - Ren finds out about Stimpy's Stinky Butt Fantasy in "Son Of Stimpy" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Tue Feb 27 16:39:33 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] MP3 Verifier? In-Reply-To: <20010227152424.A8080@pchelka.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 27 Feb 2001, Jim Crumley wrote: > On Tue, Feb 27, 2001 at 02:29:50PM -0600, Michael Hicks wrote: > > Does anyone know of a utility for verifying MP3 files under Linux? I > > had some disk corruption a while ago, and I'd like to find all of my > > broken sound files so I can re-rip and encode them. > > I don't know of any verification utility, so I would probably > just use a one liner with a commandline mp3 player and > test the mp3s by playing them. In [t]csh: > > find . -name "*.mp3" -print -exec mpg123 {} \; >& mp3.log Verify in what sense? This might verify not that it's an MPEG2-layer 3 compliant bitstream, but only whether mpg123 will barf. Sure, it'll work for purposes intended most times, but I don't recall if mpg123 has been certified itself. On a related note to the Vorbis thread, I know the gentleman at AT&T Research who spent 14 years becoming the "inventor" of the mpeg encoders. The patents are AT&T's shared with Fraunhofer, but Johnston's opinion is that Vorbis is going to have a very tricky time skirting the issue of patent infringement if they do have anything that works. I think the magnitude of the project is generally unappreciated, perhaps even by Vorbis. AT&T has 14 years of lawyers patenting JJ's every move, good or bad. (Disclaimer -- I don't like lawyers, these sorts of patent deals, and I have no preference one way or the other as to encoders. Perceptual coding is an interest, but it's not how I want to *listen* to my music! ) Cheers, Phil M -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From rechpj at earthlink.net Tue Feb 27 16:52:48 2001 From: rechpj at earthlink.net (Paul Rech) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Perl script help References: Message-ID: <3A9C2FC0.63192A05@earthlink.net> Rodney Ray wrote: > > Here is the deal. I want to use perl to ping a server and need to get the address from a flat file that has a fix file format. The field that I'm tring to get is the second column in the file. Any Perl experts that could help me get this thing working on my box. The grep4=ntharg(entry,2,\":\");\ returns the the second field but I can't get ping to use the the grep4. fake_file.txt ------------- server_name_1:192.168.0.10 server_name_2:192.168.0.12 ping_server.pl -------------- #!/usr/bin/perl $flag = "FALSE"; open(FH, "fake_file.txt"); while() { @serv_info = split(/:/,$_); @res = `ping -c2 $serv_info[1]`; # have to loop through all of what ping returns and check for a failure foreach $snech (@res) { if ($snech =~ /100\% packet loss/) { $flag = "TRUE"; } } if ($flag eq "TRUE") { # do something, like update resume and leave town `epage "$serv_info[0] is on fire\n"`; } $flag = "FALSE"; } Or did I oversimplify? Paul Rech > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jack at jacku.com Tue Feb 27 19:30:05 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cable modems In-Reply-To: <3A9C1F5D.B385C5FB@structural-wood.com> References: <3A9C1F5D.B385C5FB@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <01022719300500.01216@geezer> I've had cable service in two locations now (Duluth and Plymouth) so I guess that makes me an expert. ;-) Assuming he's getting a service similar to the two I've had the cable "modem" is an external box. In Duluth Charter used Samsung units, ATT is using 3Coms. This connects via 10BaseT Ethernet to a standard NIC. As far as using Linux is concerned he needs to get DHCP setup. Unless the company actually says they support Linux he may want to get a small Win9x partition setup for the install. Most of the installers simply come in hook up the device to the cable, to the computer, and then run some "installation" software that checks the connection downloads a file (large in the 20Mb range) to get a throughput rating that the installer feeds back into the install report. Most of the systems key off of the MAC address of the NIC. In my case I had them do the install on the Win 95 side of a dual boot box and then slipped the NIC into my firewall box and away I went. As for getting hassled for running Linux, for the most part they don't care what you run once it installed. They most likely wont guaranty a level of service if the install is done on a Linux box because they can't use the software to do the full check. Rambling on... Jack On Tuesday 27 February 2001 15:42, you wrote: > Hi, > > My brother is running a linux system and wants to get hooked > up to the internet via cable. > > He is wondering what sort of issues are going to come up. > > What sort of device will he be given to connect to the cable? > Is it something internal to the PC or connected via > a network card, or ???. > > Is he going to get hassled for running Linux. > > ??? > > Thanks, > Kent > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kelly at ncis.com Tue Feb 27 13:35:42 2001 From: kelly at ncis.com (Kelly Constenius) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hi all Message-ID: <01022719354203.01358@kelly.linux.box> Hi My name is Kelly I just subscribed and I wanted to introduce myself. I have been using Linux for about 6 mos now and love it !! I have a tripple boot MDK7.2- win me-win 2000 machine. A RH 6.1 running Samba and Internal HTTPD, A Freesco Linux router running Freesco 2.6 doing routing to ISP for my network,dhcp and caching dns server. I also have a few more win 98 and me boxes networked for the kids and wife to use. IF you like the Vikings you can check out my Vikings page at Http://www.mnsports.addr.com Nice to meet you. Kelly From chrome at real-time.com Tue Feb 27 19:56:53 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] MP3 Verifier? In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10953F@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Tue, Feb 27, 2001 at 03:27:26PM -0600 References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10953F@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010227195647.A13929@real-time.com> On Tue, Feb 27, 2001 at 03:27:26PM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > > Does anyone know of a utility for verifying MP3 files under Linux? I > > had some disk corruption a while ago, and I'd like to find all of my > > broken sound files so I can re-rip and encode them. > > xmms plus a wireless beam of acoustic waves to 2 human audio input > detectors. :) a friend of mine once gave me a really serendipitous piece of audio artwork. It was a .mod of Nine Inch Nails's "Head Like a Hole"; which someone had accidentally deleted, then recovered, with a good degree of corruption in the first few seconds. thing is, the corruption actually sounded *really cool* with that song. :) it was sort of a deep, grinding, crunching noise... turned out to be a good compliment to the original tune. I think I must have deleted the file at some point, because I can't find it anymore. If Mike Osterlie is reading this, does he still have a copy? :> Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Tue Feb 27 21:16:45 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] MP3 Verifier? In-Reply-To: <20010227195647.A13929@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 27 Feb 2001, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > On Tue, Feb 27, 2001 at 03:27:26PM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > > > Does anyone know of a utility for verifying MP3 files under Linux? I > > > had some disk corruption a while ago, and I'd like to find all of my > > > broken sound files so I can re-rip and encode them. > > > > xmms plus a wireless beam of acoustic waves to 2 human audio input > > detectors. :) > > a friend of mine once gave me a really serendipitous piece of audio artwork. > It was a .mod of Nine Inch Nails's "Head Like a Hole"; which someone had > accidentally deleted, then recovered, with a good degree of corruption in > the first few seconds. thing is, the corruption actually sounded *really > cool* with that song. :) it was sort of a deep, grinding, crunching noise... > turned out to be a good compliment to the original tune. Had a roommate in college that had a Prince CD that skipped in some *funky* ways. It was way better than what he meant to write. -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From andyzib at ringworld.org Tue Feb 27 22:34:59 2001 From: andyzib at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cable modems References: <3A9C1F5D.B385C5FB@structural-wood.com> <01022719300500.01216@geezer> Message-ID: <3A9C7FF3.3F35B80F@ringworld.org> None of the cable providers is going to hassle you as long as you can answer their questions. With MediaOne, you'll need to know the MAC address of the ethernet card you intend to use (mutiple MAC addresses if you're paying $10 more for 3 ips.) Time Warner doesn't care. The only MAC address they care about is the one of belonging to the cable modem they give you. From there, you can get up to 5 ips. (Neener neener neener you AT&T folks.) Down side with time warner is that their dhcp service has proven to be rather unstable. Unstable to the point where we gave up on public IPs all togher and went back to the traditional NAT box. (Well, it's OpenBSD instead of Linux...) Our installer came with a questionaire about system specs. Our answers went something like this: processor: semi-fast ram: enough hard drive space: always in need of more. nic: lots of them. With AT&T you get a rather blinky UFO like cable modem thing from 3com. We got a boring Toshiba from Time Warner, it hides nicely in the entertainment center. -- | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | | This message is protected by double ROT13 | | encryption. Any attempt to circumvent the | | digital protection is banned by the DMCA. | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If I leave gnome sounds on, it'll work for a while, then eventually freeze on me, or if i play an mp3, it will usually play for a few seconds, then freeze my system and emit a horrible neverending beep (until i turn the computer off, that is) Any ideas? fruity card? fruity module? doesn't like kernel 2.2.18? all of the above? Thanks, Justin From mpatchen at mn.rr.com Wed Feb 28 05:59:15 2001 From: mpatchen at mn.rr.com (Mike Patchen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cable modems References: <3A9C1F5D.B385C5FB@structural-wood.com> <01022719300500.01216@geezer> <3A9C7FF3.3F35B80F@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <002601c0a17d$df312de0$0219a8c0@localdomain> Another thing with Road Runner (Time Warner) is that their email servers are junk. Sometimes it takes me as long as 10 minutes to receive 40-50 emails. Other times it only takes seconds. Mike Patchen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 10:34 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Cable modems > None of the cable providers is going to hassle you as long as you can answer > their questions. With MediaOne, you'll need to know the MAC address of the > ethernet card you intend to use (mutiple MAC addresses if you're paying $10 > more for 3 ips.) > > Time Warner doesn't care. The only MAC address they care about is the one of > belonging to the cable modem they give you. From there, you can get up to 5 > ips. (Neener neener neener you AT&T folks.) Down side with time warner is > that their dhcp service has proven to be rather unstable. Unstable to the > point where we gave up on public IPs all togher and went back to the > traditional NAT box. (Well, it's OpenBSD instead of Linux...) > > Our installer came with a questionaire about system specs. Our answers went > something like this: > processor: semi-fast > ram: enough > hard drive space: always in need of more. > nic: lots of them. > > With AT&T you get a rather blinky UFO like cable modem thing from 3com. We > got a boring Toshiba from Time Warner, it hides nicely in the entertainment > center. > > -- > | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | > | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | > | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | > | This message is protected by double ROT13 | > | encryption. Any attempt to circumvent the | > | digital protection is banned by the DMCA. | From JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com Wed Feb 28 07:03:11 2001 From: JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com (Miller, John) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cable modems Message-ID: I have ATT (formerly Mediaone). They do not, will not, nor do I ever think they will support Linux. I have complained about a few times. I have the 39.95 level and am not guaranteed a static IP. They did change my IP a few months ago, I called ATT and they could not get my win98 box to connect to them. They offered to send someone out to fix the problem. If it was my computer I would have to pay a $50 service fee. My experience: The download speeds vary depending on the time of day. I had to use pump for my dhcp. They keep trying to ring an extra $10 a month out of me by upping my monthly fee. I never had to sit on hold for more than 5 minutes with the help(less) desk. (They do try to help though). Overall, the service meets my needs. I have a little server that gets no traffic, except those that stumble across it. When my IP changes, I will have to change the homepage on their web server. Story: The night of the install, the install person came out at 7:00pm and decided that I needed new cable. He installed that, then installed the equipment and set up the computer. He had difficulty doing it. He called his help desk but by this time everyone had gone home. His supervisor called him at 10:00pm and walked him through it. He was forgetting to reboot after a certain step. This guy was there until 10:40 getting this job done. My point is that he could have given up and rescheduled the appointment (for a next month) to finish the job, but he stayed and got the job done pasted his schedule quitting time. That's my 3 cents worth. John Miller Dain Rauscher Inc. Application Services IS Capital Markets Phone 612-547-7573 Fax 612-547-7580 -----Original Message----- From: Kent Schumacher [mailto:kent@structural-wood.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 3:43 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Cc: Kurt Schumacher Subject: [TCLUG] Cable modems Hi, My brother is running a linux system and wants to get hooked up to the internet via cable. He is wondering what sort of issues are going to come up. What sort of device will he be given to connect to the cable? Is it something internal to the PC or connected via a network card, or ???. Is he going to get hassled for running Linux. ??? Thanks, Kent _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From veldy at veldy.net Wed Feb 28 08:26:06 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cable modems References: <3A9C1F5D.B385C5FB@structural-wood.com> <01022719300500.01216@geezer> Message-ID: <008b01c0a192$63e73d90$3028680a@tgt.com> When my DSL was installed, I told him (COVAD guy) that I was using FreeBSD for my gateway and that was the way it had to be. He was fine with it - he set everything up on his laptop and did his tests from there. Once he was sure the connection was live, he left me all the information. It was completely up to me to get it working with FreeBSD - which only took a couple of minutes. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Ungerleider" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Cable modems > I've had cable service in two locations now (Duluth and Plymouth) so I guess > that makes me an expert. ;-) > > Assuming he's getting a service similar to the two I've had the cable "modem" > is an external box. In Duluth Charter used Samsung units, ATT is using 3Coms. > This connects via 10BaseT Ethernet to a standard NIC. As far as using Linux > is concerned he needs to get DHCP setup. Unless the company actually says > they support Linux he may want to get a small Win9x partition setup for the > install. Most of the installers simply come in hook up the device to the > cable, to the computer, and then run some "installation" software that checks > the connection downloads a file (large in the 20Mb range) to get a throughput > rating that the installer feeds back into the install report. Most of the > systems key off of the MAC address of the NIC. In my case I had them do the > install on the Win 95 side of a dual boot box and then slipped the NIC into > my firewall box and away I went. > > As for getting hassled for running Linux, for the most part they don't care > what you run once it installed. They most likely wont guaranty a level of > service if the install is done on a Linux box because they can't use the > software to do the full check. > > Rambling on... > Jack > > > On Tuesday 27 February 2001 15:42, you wrote: > > Hi, > > > > My brother is running a linux system and wants to get hooked > > up to the internet via cable. > > > > He is wondering what sort of issues are going to come up. > > > > What sort of device will he be given to connect to the cable? > > Is it something internal to the PC or connected via > > a network card, or ???. > > > > Is he going to get hassled for running Linux. > > > > ??? > > > > Thanks, > > Kent > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From foeclan at winternet.com Wed Feb 28 08:29:04 2001 From: foeclan at winternet.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian ISO's/Installfest In-Reply-To: <3A9C8E34.AAF3B65E@ringworld.org> Message-ID: I've got a box of mice I'll be bringing, but don't have much in the way of spare keyboards. Michael Vieths Foeclan@Winternet.Com On Tue, 27 Feb 2001, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > Scott Dier wrote: > > Oh man...you're commiting me to waking up before noon on a > Saturday...bastard! :) > > Sounds like fun though. I should have a good number of ISOs loaded on my box > by saturday so we'll have another box to kick out cd's (You could even run > my burner from a thin client, ohhhhhh!) > > But aren't we outta mice and keyboards? > > -- > | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | > | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | > | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | > | This message is protected by double ROT13 | > | encryption. Any attempt to circumvent the | > | digital protection is banned by the DMCA. | From kent at structural-wood.com Wed Feb 28 08:48:12 2001 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cable modems References: <3A9C1F5D.B385C5FB@structural-wood.com> <01022719300500.01216@geezer> <008b01c0a192$63e73d90$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <3A9D0FAC.CB882811@structural-wood.com> "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > > When my DSL was installed, I told him (COVAD guy) that I was using FreeBSD > for my gateway and that was the way it had to be. He was fine with it - he > set everything up on his laptop and did his tests from there. Once he was > sure the connection was live, he left me all the information. It was > completely up to me to get it working with FreeBSD - which only took a > couple of minutes. > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > Thanks everyone for the great replies - I'm forwarding them to my brother. When I got DSL (which was quite a long time ago), I just got a big box from US West - amongst all the other stuff in the box was an addendum which was quite specific to whatever linux I was running at the time. I was very impressed - actually I'm still impressed. I've upgraded my kernel umpteen times since then and never had to touch anything in regards to my DSL service. It's been as as close to perfect as anything I have ever dealt with. Now before you brand me a Qwest turncoat, ask me about my experiences with Qworst at work... From simeonuj at eetc.com Wed Feb 28 09:07:52 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Large Tape Drive Recommendations? References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109535@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <3A9D1442.475A2678@eetc.com> I thought that on DLT tapes that it doesn't do any compression on the actuall data, but compreses the way it writes it to the tape. With a DLT 4000 drive it is twice as fast to write a tape compressed than it is uncompressed. From what I understand it uses two heads to write the tape instead of one. Maybe that is only hardware compression and software is different? I think that you may be thinking of something else. Maybe that is how it is compressed on other tapes but I don't think so with DLT or perhaps AIT-2. I would recomend that it has hardware compression. Much faster. I have seen the specs on the AIT-2 tapes and am rather impressed. I would love to get one of these drives. If you get a DLT-8000 drive you can compress the drive to store 80 GB of data ( I think thats right. The 4000 compressed is 40 and the 7000 is 65 I think ). I can get 100 MB a minute from my drive. The 7000 and 8000 drives are even faster ( up to 600 MB a minute ). If the drive models are confusing it is because I use a ADIC drive and don't know it these are specific to ADIC or it they are standard dirve models. Sorry if this is confusing. sim David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > "Austad, Jay" writes: > > > AIT-2! They are rather expensive though. Otherwise, DLT. AIT is much > > better though. AIT-2 is 100GB compressed, and tapes cost around $100 each. > > Actually, $100 for 100GB compares quite unfavorably to DDS-3 media prices. > > I'd love a drive in this size myself, but it's not on my budget. > > (And I wish people would not quote compressed sizes; most of what I > have to back up is already compressed via jpeg or mp3 or zip, and my > previous experience is that compression in backup can't do a thing > with such files. So I need to know the *real* tape size. I know that > most such claims are based on a factor of two.) > -- > David Dyer-Bennet From clay at fandre.com Wed Feb 28 09:54:03 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] In need of Primary and Backup DNS References: <20010227172038.C33D836F9@sitemail.everyone.net> Message-ID: <3A9D1F1B.D0019A04@fandre.com> I used to use JustLinux.org for my dynamic DNS service. They were pretty reliable, but 100% free. Plus you get to use the penguinpowered.com domain for your hostname. http://www.justlinux.com/dynamic_dns.html David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > > Chuck Larson writes: > > > I just recently accuired a domain name. I do not have a static ip. > > If I am not mistaken, I am in need of a primary and backup DNS > > server. > > But first you are in need of a static IP. Although I think there are > some specialized DNS services that can track the changes to your > dynamic IP and keep up with it, maybe. > -- > David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net > SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ > Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Feb 28 11:08:23 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Offtopic rant Message-ID: What the HELL is up with Sprint??!? -Yaron -- From tanner at real-time.com Wed Feb 28 11:31:02 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Offtopic rant In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Wed, Feb 28, 2001 at 11:08:23AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20010228113102.A32244@real-time.com> Quoting Yaron (jethro@freakzilla.com): > What the HELL is up with Sprint??!? Looks like a hardware problem in Chicago: Date: 26-FEB-2001 Time: 00:00-07:00 AM Local Time Duration: 30 Minutes Network: Sprintlink MaintType: Outage Sprint Ticket: 4395384 Sprint Maint Id: 2817 Description: Replace Hardware Routers Affected: SL-GW18-CHI Probably a misconfig on it now, since it's new hardware, :-) -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Wed Feb 28 11:27:38 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Offtopic rant In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Wed, Feb 28, 2001 at 11:08:23AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20010228112738.M18779@real-time.com> Quoting Yaron (jethro@freakzilla.com): > What the HELL is up with Sprint??!? We received 2 emergency maintenance window requests over the last couple of days. I did not check out the details on them. I'll shift the traffic at Real Time to weigh UUnet heavier. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tobytoo at black-hole.com Wed Feb 28 12:00:15 2001 From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (BT) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] untaring kernal Message-ID: <3A9D3CAF.38B13FE8@black-hole.com> I'm having trouble with the new kernal. I downloaded the tarball linux-2.4.2.tar.bz2 tried to untar it "tar xvvf /linux-2.4.2.tar.bz2" it gave me the error " hmmm, doesn't look like a tar file to me" Did I dl the wrong tarball for Caldera or what? From tobytoo at black-hole.com Wed Feb 28 12:01:19 2001 From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (BT) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Offtopic rant References: Message-ID: <3A9D3CEF.66B01851@black-hole.com> Yaron wrote: > > What the HELL is up with Sprint??!? > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list Huh? From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Feb 28 12:08:15 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Offtopic rant In-Reply-To: <20010228113102.A32244@real-time.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Wed, 28 Feb 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > Looks like a hardware problem in Chicago: > Probably a misconfig on it now, since it's new hardware, :-) Heh, well... it's been crappy for a few days, and now it's dead. Yell at Sprint! Yell at Sprint! -Yaron -- From jonathankl_2001 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 28 12:34:22 2001 From: jonathankl_2001 at yahoo.com (Jonathan Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] untaring kernal In-Reply-To: <3A9D3CAF.38B13FE8@black-hole.com> Message-ID: <20010228183422.52394.qmail@web5407.mail.yahoo.com> bzunzip2 file.tar.bz tar -xvf file.tar You dlded teh bzip file, therefore the z option of tar won't work as it's for gzip. --- BT wrote: > I'm having trouble with the new kernal. I downloaded > the tarball > linux-2.4.2.tar.bz2 tried to untar it "tar xvvf > /linux-2.4.2.tar.bz2" it > gave me the error " hmmm, doesn't look like a tar > file to me" > Did I dl the wrong tarball for Caldera or what? > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From andyzb at ltiflex.com Wed Feb 28 12:35:06 2001 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] untaring kernal References: <3A9D3CAF.38B13FE8@black-hole.com> Message-ID: <3A9D44DA.79D13B99@ltiflex.com> BT wrote: > > I'm having trouble with the new kernal. I downloaded the tarball > linux-2.4.2.tar.bz2 tried to untar it "tar xvvf /linux-2.4.2.tar.bz2" it > gave me the error " hmmm, doesn't look like a tar file to me" > Did I dl the wrong tarball for Caldera or what? No, you're just using the wrong decompresser. .bz2 indicates bzip2 was used to compress the tar file, .gz would be gziped. To extract a compressed tar archive (tarball): tar xvfz file.tar.gz (gzip, .gz, .tgz) tar xvfZ file.tar.Z (for compress) tar xvfI file.tar.bz2 (bzip2) some versions of tar use y or j for bzip2. tar --help should tell you the correct switch. If all else fails, tar --bzip2 xvf file.tar.bz2 should do the trick. Of course you must have bzip2 and bzunzip2 installed. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Am working on building an in-home > network and want a couple 486's to play with as I learn to build firewalls. > Think you could slip a NIC into one? > > > Doug Hanson wrote: > > > > > > I am going to bring several 486's in working order as well as many > parts. I > > > have some older monitors, but most are 14". Does anyone have uses for > these > > > 486's? > > > > > > Doug > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From wilson at visi.com Wed Feb 28 12:39:56 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] untaring kernal In-Reply-To: <3A9D3CAF.38B13FE8@black-hole.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 28 Feb 2001, BT wrote: > I'm having trouble with the new kernal. I downloaded the tarball > linux-2.4.2.tar.bz2 tried to untar it "tar xvvf /linux-2.4.2.tar.bz2" it > gave me the error " hmmm, doesn't look like a tar file to me" > Did I dl the wrong tarball for Caldera or what? If you download a tarball that's been compressed with bzip2, then you need to let tar know that it should uncompress it with bunzip2. Try: tar xfj linux-2.4.2.tar.bz2 (I don't want to see all the files scroll by on a huge tarball like the kernel. That's why I don't include the 'v'.) -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ From foeclan at winternet.com Wed Feb 28 12:40:32 2001 From: foeclan at winternet.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] untaring kernal In-Reply-To: <3A9D3CAF.38B13FE8@black-hole.com> Message-ID: Try tar -yxvf linux-2.4.2.tar.bz2 Or: bunzip2 linux-2.4.2.tar.bz2 && tar -xvf linux-2.4.2.tar.bz2 In its current form, it's not a tar file, it's a bzip2 file. Michael Vieths Foeclan@Winternet.Com On Wed, 28 Feb 2001, BT wrote: > I'm having trouble with the new kernal. I downloaded the tarball > linux-2.4.2.tar.bz2 tried to untar it "tar xvvf /linux-2.4.2.tar.bz2" it > gave me the error " hmmm, doesn't look like a tar file to me" > Did I dl the wrong tarball for Caldera or what? > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From fertch at mninter.net Wed Feb 28 12:09:08 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Offtopic rant References: <20010228112738.M18779@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3A9D3EC4.4659E511@mninter.net> Bob Tanner wrote: > I'll shift the traffic at Real Time to weigh UUnet heavier. > We used to be with UUnet here at work. Had some major issues, so we went with Global Crossings. Not only were they cheaper, but support so far has been better as far as I know. Then again, I'm not dealing with network issues specificly. Shawn From jamie at getsetnet.net Wed Feb 28 12:36:28 2001 From: jamie at getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] untaring kernal In-Reply-To: <3A9D3CAF.38B13FE8@black-hole.com> Message-ID: Try tar -xzvvf instead. It is a compressed tar file, so you need to make sure you add the z switch. - Jme On Wed, 28 Feb 2001, BT wrote: > I'm having trouble with the new kernal. I downloaded the tarball > linux-2.4.2.tar.bz2 tried to untar it "tar xvvf /linux-2.4.2.tar.bz2" it > gave me the error " hmmm, doesn't look like a tar file to me" > Did I dl the wrong tarball for Caldera or what? > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- "It is a mistake to let any mechanical object realise that you are in a hurry." --Ralph From Meghan_E_Kennedy at eFunds.com Wed Feb 28 12:46:45 2001 From: Meghan_E_Kennedy at eFunds.com (Meghan_E_Kennedy@eFunds.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] untaring kernal Message-ID: Do you mean, you used tar xvyf /linux-2.4.2.tar.bz2 ? BT @mn-linux.org on 02/28/2001 12:00:15 PM Please respond to tclug-list@mn-linux.org Sent by: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org To: tclug list cc: Subject: [TCLUG] untaring kernal I'm having trouble with the new kernal. I downloaded the tarball linux-2.4.2.tar.bz2 tried to untar it "tar xvvf /linux-2.4.2.tar.bz2" it gave me the error " hmmm, doesn't look like a tar file to me" Did I dl the wrong tarball for Caldera or what? _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jon.erickson at neicoltech.org Wed Feb 28 13:05:17 2001 From: jon.erickson at neicoltech.org (Jonathan Erickson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] untaring kernal In-Reply-To: <3A9D3CAF.38B13FE8@black-hole.com> Message-ID: > I'm having trouble with the new kernal. I downloaded the tarball > linux-2.4.2.tar.bz2 tried to untar it "tar xvvf /linux-2.4.2.tar.bz2" it > gave me the error " hmmm, doesn't look like a tar file to me" > Did I dl the wrong tarball for Caldera or what? You need to unzip the file first... then untar it. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX | Jon Erickson | | NEI College of Technology | | (763)782.7342 | XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX From duncan at sodatrain.com Wed Feb 28 12:56:35 2001 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Offtopic rant In-Reply-To: Message-ID: i think sprit is having some big problems, we (im in boston) use sprint for long distance, and it is cut off. we cant find anyone who can tell us anyting from sprint. maybe its related? im guessing that you guys are talking about internet access? duncan On Wed, 28 Feb 2001, Yaron wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, 28 Feb 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > Looks like a hardware problem in Chicago: > > Probably a misconfig on it now, since it's new hardware, :-) > > Heh, well... it's been crappy for a few days, and now it's dead. > > Yell at Sprint! Yell at Sprint! > > -Yaron From brianj at medilinks.net Wed Feb 28 13:06:45 2001 From: brianj at medilinks.net (Brian J. Ackermann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T RoadRunner In-Reply-To: <200102281835.f1SIZ8l06313@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: Hey all, I just signed up today for ATTRR service, but it wont be installed for a few weeks. I gather from reading the cable modem thread that it is still quite possible to put a linux firewall/gateway/router just inside my cable modem , and then dhcp the other computers on my network, so as to "share" my connection to my whole house? I had done this about 14 months ago with Coyote Linux and MediaOne...I'm just wondering if there are any issues that would prevent me from doing it again? Thanks, Brian From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Wed Feb 28 13:15:46 2001 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] untaring kernal Message-ID: The kernel you downloaded has been compressed with bzip2 (from the .bz2 extention at the end of the file). You might have bunzip2 installed on you system already, and if you do, you can decompress the file first: bunzip2 linux-2.4.2.tar.bz2 then untar the file it creates: tar xvvf linux-2.4.2.tar Be careful where you unzip/untar things though, you might get a nasty surprise (overwrite something you wanted to keep, fill up a file system, ...). Good luck, Troy >>> tobytoo@black-hole.com 02/28/01 12:00PM >>> I'm having trouble with the new kernal. I downloaded the tarball linux-2.4.2.tar.bz2 tried to untar it "tar xvvf /linux-2.4.2.tar.bz2" it gave me the error " hmmm, doesn't look like a tar file to me" Did I dl the wrong tarball for Caldera or what? _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Feb 28 13:24:03 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian ISO's/Installfest In-Reply-To: <20010228002525.C30564@ringworld.org>; from dieman+tclug@ringworld.org on Wed, Feb 28, 2001 at 12:25:25AM -0600 References: <20010227231227.B30564@ringworld.org> <3A9C8E34.AAF3B65E@ringworld.org> <20010228002525.C30564@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010228132403.D21988@wookimus.net> On Wed, Feb 28, 2001 at 12:25:25AM -0600, Scott Dier wrote: > * Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) [010227 23:45]: > > by saturday so we'll have another box to kick out cd's (You could even run > > my burner from a thin client, ohhhhhh!) > > Oh, and people, be prepared to cross sign PGP keys if you wish! :) Shit. I suppose it'd be a good idea to print out my asc public key with a picture, huh? I wonder if we could come up with a way to produce business cards that have our name, pic, and personal info on the front, and our public block on the back. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010228/7e9b8a7f/attachment.pgp From tobytoo at black-hole.com Wed Feb 28 13:45:13 2001 From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (BT) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] untaring kernal{WooHoo} References: Message-ID: <3A9D5549.C3A42A40@black-hole.com> Thanks, that did it, looked through help and was no callout for bzip, just gzip, but bunzip did the trick, thanks for the help everybody. Michael Vieths wrote: > > Try > > tar -yxvf linux-2.4.2.tar.bz2 > > Or: > > bunzip2 linux-2.4.2.tar.bz2 && tar -xvf linux-2.4.2.tar.bz2 > > In its current form, it's not a tar file, it's a bzip2 file. > > Michael Vieths > Foeclan@Winternet.Com > > On Wed, 28 Feb 2001, BT wrote: > > > I'm having trouble with the new kernal. I downloaded the tarball > > linux-2.4.2.tar.bz2 tried to untar it "tar xvvf /linux-2.4.2.tar.bz2" it > > gave me the error " hmmm, doesn't look like a tar file to me" > > Did I dl the wrong tarball for Caldera or what? > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Wed Feb 28 13:51:26 2001 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] untaring kernal In-Reply-To: <3A9D3CAF.38B13FE8@black-hole.com>; from tobytoo@black-hole.com on Wed, Feb 28, 2001 at 12:00:15PM -0600 References: <3A9D3CAF.38B13FE8@black-hole.com> Message-ID: <20010228135126.A3734@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Well, this topic's been beaten to death, but no one mentioned: bunzip2 -c linux-2.4.2.tar.bz2 | tar xvf - :) Gabe On Wed, Feb 28, 2001 at 12:00:15PM -0600, BT wrote: > I'm having trouble with the new kernal. I downloaded the tarball > linux-2.4.2.tar.bz2 tried to untar it "tar xvvf /linux-2.4.2.tar.bz2" it > gave me the error " hmmm, doesn't look like a tar file to me" > Did I dl the wrong tarball for Caldera or what? > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Look! It's my magic nose goblins!" -- Stimpy "I finally get a good look at 'em!" -- Sven - Stimpson J. Cat and Sven Hoek in "Sven Hoek" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Feb 28 13:38:23 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Offtopic rant In-Reply-To: <3A9D3CEF.66B01851@black-hole.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Wed, 28 Feb 2001, BT wrote: > > What the HELL is up with Sprint??!? > Huh? They had a broken router in Chicago which was preventing me from getting to a whole buncha places. For several days. -Yaron -- From ben at nerp.net Wed Feb 28 14:14:17 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T RoadRunner In-Reply-To: Message-ID: nope.. I've been on AT&T for a year now.. havn't had a single problem Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Wed, 28 Feb 2001, Brian J. Ackermann wrote: > Hey all, > > I just signed up today for ATTRR service, but it wont be installed for a few > weeks. I gather from reading the cable modem thread that it is still quite > possible to put a linux firewall/gateway/router just inside my cable modem , > and then dhcp the other computers on my network, so as to "share" my > connection to my whole house? > > I had done this about 14 months ago with Coyote Linux and MediaOne...I'm > just wondering if there are any issues that would prevent me from doing it > again? > > Thanks, > > Brian > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Feb 28 14:28:17 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian ISO's/Installfest Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109548@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> > with a picture, huh? I wonder if we could come up with a way to > produce business cards that have our name, pic, and personal info on > the front, and our public block on the back. How about those 8cm business card CD-R's? I think they hold 100MB of crap or so. Stick your key, a digital pic, and other stuff on it. Put an index.html on it so whoever you give it to has a nice little interface to look at your info, and it'll be platform independent. Or you could just make it reformat their windows drive and install linux. :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Chad C. Walstrom [mailto:chewie@wookimus.net] > Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 1:24 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Debian ISO's/Installfest > > > On Wed, Feb 28, 2001 at 12:25:25AM -0600, Scott Dier wrote: > > * Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) [010227 23:45]: > > > by saturday so we'll have another box to kick out cd's > (You could even run > > > my burner from a thin client, ohhhhhh!) > > > > Oh, and people, be prepared to cross sign PGP keys if you wish! :) > > Shit. I suppose it'd be a good idea to print out my asc public key > with a picture, huh? I wonder if we could come up with a way to > produce business cards that have our name, pic, and personal info on > the front, and our public block on the back. > > -- > Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie > http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr > Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD > > From Meghan_E_Kennedy at eFunds.com Wed Feb 28 14:29:53 2001 From: Meghan_E_Kennedy at eFunds.com (Meghan_E_Kennedy@eFunds.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Simple gcc question Message-ID: I'm using Mandrake7.2, which is apparently notorious for not having basic commands like "gcc" and "make" as part of their initial install. I have "make", and it's working, but although gcc-2.95.2 is installed, the command doesn't work. I'm guessing it's either missing from the path, or I need a link somewhere (/usr/bin ?) or something... Could someone help me understand what I might need to do in order to get this working? I'm trying to update my pcmcia-cs module, and I need this command!! :) Meghan From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Feb 28 14:40:01 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian ISO's/Installfest In-Reply-To: <20010228132403.D21988@wookimus.net>; from chewie@wookimus.net on Wed, Feb 28, 2001 at 01:24:03PM -0600 References: <20010227231227.B30564@ringworld.org> <3A9C8E34.AAF3B65E@ringworld.org> <20010228002525.C30564@ringworld.org> <20010228132403.D21988@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20010228144001.F30564@ringworld.org> * Chad C. Walstrom [010228 14:11]: > > Oh, and people, be prepared to cross sign PGP keys if you wish! :) > > Shit. I suppose it'd be a good idea to print out my asc public key > with a picture, huh? I wonder if we could come up with a way to All I require, really, is to check a photo id (drivers license, student id, etc) and a few chars of the fingerprint to what you claim they are. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@efnet "When's the last time you used duct tape on a duct?" -Larry Wall -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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After that, Scott might be satisified. :) -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: andyzb.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 367 bytes Desc: Card for Andy Zbikowski Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010228/61010892/andyzb.vcf From esper at sherohman.org Wed Feb 28 14:54:56 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Simple gcc question In-Reply-To: ; from Meghan_E_Kennedy@eFunds.com on Wed, Feb 28, 2001 at 02:29:53PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20010228145456.G1282@sherohman.org> On Wed, Feb 28, 2001 at 02:29:53PM -0600, Meghan_E_Kennedy@eFunds.com wrote: > I have "make", and it's working, but although gcc-2.95.2 is installed, the > command doesn't work. I'm guessing it's either missing from the path, or I > need a link somewhere (/usr/bin ?) or something... In what fashion does it fail? -- SGI products are used to create the 'Bugs' that entertain us in theatres and at home. - SGI job posting Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From chrisp at dusk.bitstream.net Wed Feb 28 15:00:54 2001 From: chrisp at dusk.bitstream.net (Christopher Palmer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Tape changer woes Message-ID: <20010228210054.9036.qmail@dusk.bitstream.net> Hello, We've got a VA 2230 (very nice machine, btw) with an Adaptec 2944 SCSI adaptor in it. Connected to that is an Adic VLS SDX tape library system. Here is the relevant dmesg output on this device (note also our other SCSI interfaces, with hard disk and CD burner): === (scsi0) found at PCI 0/11/0 (scsi0) Wide Channel, SCSI ID=7, 16/255 SCBs (scsi0) Cables present (Int-50 NO, Int-68 NO, Ext-68 YES) (scsi0) Downloading sequencer code... 423 instructions downloaded (scsi1) found at PCI 0/12/0 (scsi1) Wide Channel A, SCSI ID=7, 32/255 SCBs (scsi1) Downloading sequencer code... 396 instructions downloaded (scsi2) found at PCI 0/12/1 (scsi2) Wide Channel B, SCSI ID=7, 32/255 SCBs (scsi2) Downloading sequencer code... 396 instructions downloaded scsi0 : Adaptec AHA274x/284x/294x (EISA/VLB/PCI-Fast SCSI) 5.1.28/3.2.4 scsi1 : Adaptec AHA274x/284x/294x (EISA/VLB/PCI-Fast SCSI) 5.1.28/3.2.4 scsi2 : Adaptec AHA274x/284x/294x (EISA/VLB/PCI-Fast SCSI) 5.1.28/3.2.4 scsi : 3 hosts. (scsi0:0:4:0) Synchronous at 20.0 Mbyte/sec, offset 8. Vendor: SONY Model: SDX-300C Rev: 0400 Type: Sequential-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Detected scsi tape st0 at scsi0, channel 0, id 4, lun 0 (scsi1:0:0:0) Synchronous at 80.0 Mbyte/sec, offset 63. Vendor: QUANTUM Model: ATLAS_V_36_WLS Rev: 0230 Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 03 Detected scsi disk sda at scsi1, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 (scsi2:0:6:0) Synchronous at 10.0 Mbyte/sec, offset 8. Vendor: PLEXTOR Model: CD-R PX-R820T Rev: 1.03 Type: CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Detected scsi CD-ROM sr0 at scsi2, channel 0, id 6, lun 0 scsi : detected 3 SCSI generics 1 SCSI tape 1 SCSI cdrom 1 SCSI disk total. sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 20x/20x writer cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray SCSI device sda: hdwr sector= 512 bytes. Sectors= 71722776 [35020 MB] [35.0 GB] === The problem is that the tape library is supposed to appear to the OS as two devices: a tape drive and a `jukebox' to control the changing of the tapes. As you can see, all Linux is seeing is the tape drive, and not the jukebox. Does anyone have any clues? The SCSI card's BIOS can see both devices, tape on SCSI ID 1 and the jukebox on ID 3. We tried moving the tape drive to ID 4, but that made no difference. This is kernel 2.2.16. Thanks, -- Chris www.innerfireworks.com How can you say this is not Eden? From chrisp at dusk.bitstream.net Wed Feb 28 15:02:48 2001 From: chrisp at dusk.bitstream.net (Christopher Palmer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Simple gcc question In-Reply-To: (Meghan_E_Kennedy@eFunds.com) References: Message-ID: <20010228210248.9047.qmail@dusk.bitstream.net> Try: # rpm -qa | grep gcc and # updatedb # locate gcc | grep bin (The `#' means do this at a root prompt; technically only necessary for the second command.) -- Chris www.innerfireworks.com How can you say this is not Eden? From dcsherman at qwest.net Wed Feb 28 17:03:42 2001 From: dcsherman at qwest.net (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hi all In-Reply-To: <01022719354203.01358@kelly.linux.box> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010228150325.00a0e7a0@pop.mpls.qwest.net> Welcome aboard, Kelly. Dave At 07:35 PM 02/27/2001 +0000, you wrote: >Hi >My name is Kelly >I just subscribed and I wanted to introduce myself. >I have been using Linux for about 6 mos now and love it !! >I have a tripple boot MDK7.2- win me-win 2000 machine. >A RH 6.1 running Samba and Internal HTTPD, A Freesco Linux router running >Freesco 2.6 doing routing to ISP for my network,dhcp and caching dns server. >I also have a few more win 98 and me boxes networked for the kids and wife to >use. > >IF you like the Vikings you can check out my Vikings page at >Http://www.mnsports.addr.com > >Nice to meet you. >Kelly >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list Dave Sherman SoftServ Business Systems, Inc. "Quid quid latine dictum sit, webmaster@ssbs.com altum viditur." (763) 569-9839 From rechpj at earthlink.net Wed Feb 28 21:04:28 2001 From: rechpj at earthlink.net (Paul Rech) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Simple gcc question References: Message-ID: <3A9DBC3C.930F404@earthlink.net> Meghan_E_Kennedy@eFunds.com wrote: > > I'm using Mandrake7.2, which is apparently notorious for not having basic > commands like "gcc" and "make" as part of their initial install. > > I have "make", and it's working, but although gcc-2.95.2 is installed, the > command doesn't work. I'm guessing it's either missing from the path, or I > need a link somewhere (/usr/bin ?) or something... > > Could someone help me understand what I might need to do in order to get > this working? I'm trying to update my pcmcia-cs module, and I need this > command!! > > :) Meghanroot@raven > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list there are two links /root # ls -l /usr/bin/gcc lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 Feb 10 10:03 /usr/bin/gcc -> /etc/alternatives/gcc* root@raven /root # ls -l /etc/alternatives/gcc lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 Feb 10 10:03 /etc/alternatives/gcc -> /usr/bin/gcc-2.95.2* You can always type gcc-2.95.2 instead of gcc, if you're in a hurry. Paul Rech From Meghan_E_Kennedy at eFunds.com Wed Feb 28 15:24:28 2001 From: Meghan_E_Kennedy at eFunds.com (Meghan_E_Kennedy@eFunds.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Simple gcc question Message-ID: I was already doing the rpm check and get this response: gcc-cpp-2.95.2-12mdk updatedb gives me no response (I'm assuming it's not supposed to) locate gcc | grep bin gives me: /usr/X11R6/bin/gccmakedep Is gccmakedep the file that gcc usually points to? Do I just need to ln gcc /usr/X11R6/bin/gccmakedep? Thanks... Meghan Christopher Palmer @mn-linux.org on 02/28/2001 03:02:48 PM Please respond to tclug-list@mn-linux.org Sent by: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org cc: Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Simple gcc question Try: # rpm -qa | grep gcc and # updatedb # locate gcc | grep bin (The `#' means do this at a root prompt; technically only necessary for the second command.) -- Chris www.innerfireworks.com How can you say this is not Eden? _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Wed Feb 28 15:32:56 2001 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hi all Message-ID: Hello Kelly, and welcome to Fantasy Mailing List. Tattoo will show you to your quarters and dinner will be served in the "Hula-hula" lounge at 7 PM. Oh wait, wrong list... >>> kelly@ncis.com 02/27/01 01:35PM >>> Hi My name is Kelly I just subscribed and I wanted to introduce myself. I have been using Linux for about 6 mos now and love it !! I have a tripple boot MDK7.2- win me-win 2000 machine. A RH 6.1 running Samba and Internal HTTPD, A Freesco Linux router running Freesco 2.6 doing routing to ISP for my network,dhcp and caching dns server. I also have a few more win 98 and me boxes networked for the kids and wife to use. IF you like the Vikings you can check out my Vikings page at http://www.mnsports.addr.com Nice to meet you. Kelly _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu Wed Feb 28 15:39:29 2001 From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Simple question... In-Reply-To: <20010228145456.G1282@sherohman.org> Message-ID: How do you set your environment so that you can run a particular program such as acrobat, from any current working directory? In addition how can you assign a particular file format a default reader? Colin Kilbane From Meghan_E_Kennedy at eFunds.com Wed Feb 28 15:21:10 2001 From: Meghan_E_Kennedy at eFunds.com (Meghan_E_Kennedy@eFunds.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Simple gcc question Message-ID: When I'm trying to run make all make[1]: cc: Command not found I'm assuming it's defaulting to trying cc since it can't find gcc. Either way, neither of those commands appear to be defined. My PATH looks okay, but I think the links to the commands are missing? But I am only making lots of guesses... Meghan Dave Sherohman @mn-linux.org on 02/28/2001 02:54:56 PM Please respond to tclug-list@mn-linux.org Sent by: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org cc: Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Simple gcc question On Wed, Feb 28, 2001 at 02:29:53PM -0600, Meghan_E_Kennedy@eFunds.com wrote: > I have "make", and it's working, but although gcc-2.95.2 is installed, the > command doesn't work. I'm guessing it's either missing from the path, or I > need a link somewhere (/usr/bin ?) or something... In what fashion does it fail? -- SGI products are used to create the 'Bugs' that entertain us in theatres and at home. - SGI job posting Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chrisp at dusk.bitstream.net Wed Feb 28 15:56:23 2001 From: chrisp at dusk.bitstream.net (Christopher Palmer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Simple gcc question In-Reply-To: (Meghan_E_Kennedy@eFunds.com) References: Message-ID: <20010228215623.9185.qmail@dusk.bitstream.net> Meghan writes: I was already doing the rpm check and get this response: gcc-cpp-2.95.2-12mdk That's your problem. You only have part of GCC (the preprocessor) installed. Put in your Mandrake CD and do # cd /path/to/rpms/on/cd # rpm -i *gcc* If you have no CD, you can get the RPMs via FTP. Try ftp.real-time.com. updatedb gives me no response (I'm assuming it's not supposed to) Correct; it just updates the database locate uses to find stuff. -- Chris www.innerfireworks.com How can you say this is not Eden? From clay at fandre.com Wed Feb 28 16:14:31 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Simple question... References: Message-ID: <3A9D7847.7882A2BC@fandre.com> Colin Kilbane wrote: > > How do you set your environment so that you can run a particular program > such as acrobat, from any current working directory? In addition how can > you assign a particular file format a default reader? You path enviroenment variable tells your shell where to look for programs. If acrobat is in /usr/local/acrobat/bin, then add this to your path variable. (usually in .bash_profile) Do a 'echo $PATH' to see your current PATH settings. As for assigning file formats to readers, it all depends on how you call the program. If you're using a KDE or gnome file manager, they both have places where you can assign application for different file-types. From the command-line there isn't a way (by default) to have an application open when you (try to) run a non-executable file. From chrisp at dusk.bitstream.net Wed Feb 28 16:06:10 2001 From: chrisp at dusk.bitstream.net (Christopher Palmer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Simple question... In-Reply-To: (message from Colin Kilbane on Wed, 28 Feb 2001 15:39:29 -0600 (CST)) References: Message-ID: <20010228220610.9221.qmail@dusk.bitstream.net> Colin wonders: How do you set your environment so that you can run a particular program such as acrobat, from any current working directory? Add the basename of the path to the binary to your $PATH environment variable. If Acrobat Reader is /usr/local/Acrobat4/bin/acroread (as it is on my system), do this: $ export PATH="$PATH:/usr/local/Acrobat4/bin" You might also want to edit ~/.bashrc if you don't want to run this command by hand every time you log in. If you are using tcsh, it's similar: % setenv PATH $PATH:/usr/local/Acrobat4/bin ...and then edit ~/.tcshrc. In addition how can you assign a particular file format a default reader? This varies by application. There is no read_file(1) command or anything like that (although you could create one with not too much trouble), so you can't do it from a text shell. Programs like gmc and konqueror have their own mechanisms for configuration which I won't go into here because they are relatively easy to figure out (look around in the Preferences dialog). -- Chris www.innerfireworks.com How can you say this is not Eden? From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Wed Feb 28 16:02:58 2001 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Tape changer woes Message-ID: <0G9H007F3MN34V@mail1.supervalu.com> Make sure you have probe all LUNs set up in your kernel config. - Nick Reinking chrisp@dusk.bitstream.net, on 02/28/2001 03:00:54 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF cc: Subject: [TCLUG] Tape changer woes Hello, We've got a VA 2230 (very nice machine, btw) with an Adaptec 2944 SCSI adaptor in it. Connected to that is an Adic VLS SDX tape library system. Here is the relevant dmesg output on this device (note also our other SCSI interfaces, with hard disk and CD burner): === (scsi0) found at PCI 0/11/0 (scsi0) Wide Channel, SCSI ID=7, 16/255 SCBs (scsi0) Cables present (Int-50 NO, Int-68 NO, Ext-68 YES) (scsi0) Downloading sequencer code... 423 instructions downloaded (scsi1) found at PCI 0/12/0 (scsi1) Wide Channel A, SCSI ID=7, 32/255 SCBs (scsi1) Downloading sequencer code... 396 instructions downloaded (scsi2) found at PCI 0/12/1 (scsi2) Wide Channel B, SCSI ID=7, 32/255 SCBs (scsi2) Downloading sequencer code... 396 instructions downloaded scsi0 : Adaptec AHA274x/284x/294x (EISA/VLB/PCI-Fast SCSI) 5.1.28/3.2.4 scsi1 : Adaptec AHA274x/284x/294x (EISA/VLB/PCI-Fast SCSI) 5.1.28/3.2.4 scsi2 : Adaptec AHA274x/284x/294x (EISA/VLB/PCI-Fast SCSI) 5.1.28/3.2.4 scsi : 3 hosts. (scsi0:0:4:0) Synchronous at 20.0 Mbyte/sec, offset 8. Vendor: SONY Model: SDX-300C Rev: 0400 Type: Sequential-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Detected scsi tape st0 at scsi0, channel 0, id 4, lun 0 (scsi1:0:0:0) Synchronous at 80.0 Mbyte/sec, offset 63. Vendor: QUANTUM Model: ATLAS_V_36_WLS Rev: 0230 Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 03 Detected scsi disk sda at scsi1, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 (scsi2:0:6:0) Synchronous at 10.0 Mbyte/sec, offset 8. Vendor: PLEXTOR Model: CD-R PX-R820T Rev: 1.03 Type: CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Detected scsi CD-ROM sr0 at scsi2, channel 0, id 6, lun 0 scsi : detected 3 SCSI generics 1 SCSI tape 1 SCSI cdrom 1 SCSI disk total. sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 20x/20x writer cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray SCSI device sda: hdwr sector= 512 bytes. Sectors= 71722776 [35020 MB] [35.0 GB] === The problem is that the tape library is supposed to appear to the OS as two devices: a tape drive and a `jukebox' to control the changing of the tapes. As you can see, all Linux is seeing is the tape drive, and not the jukebox. Does anyone have any clues? The SCSI card's BIOS can see both devices, tape on SCSI ID 1 and the jukebox on ID 3. We tried moving the tape drive to ID 4, but that made no difference. This is kernel 2.2.16. Thanks, -- Chris www.innerfireworks.com How can you say this is not Eden? _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chrisp at dusk.bitstream.net Wed Feb 28 16:07:38 2001 From: chrisp at dusk.bitstream.net (Christopher Palmer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Simple gcc question In-Reply-To: (Meghan_E_Kennedy@eFunds.com) References: Message-ID: <20010228220738.9227.qmail@dusk.bitstream.net> Meghan writes: make[1]: cc: Command not found I'm assuming it's defaulting to trying cc since it can't find gcc. Either way, neither of those commands appear to be defined. My PATH looks okay, but I think the links to the commands are missing? But I am only making lots of guesses... Once you't got GCC properly installed, cc will be a link to gcc, and you should have success. -- Chris www.innerfireworks.com How can you say this is not Eden? From chrisp at dusk.bitstream.net Wed Feb 28 16:24:07 2001 From: chrisp at dusk.bitstream.net (Christopher Palmer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Tape changer woes In-Reply-To: <20010228210054.9036.qmail@dusk.bitstream.net> (message from Christopher Palmer on 28 Feb 2001 21:00:54 -0000) References: <20010228210054.9036.qmail@dusk.bitstream.net> Message-ID: <20010228222407.9305.qmail@dusk.bitstream.net> Also: Nick Reinking asked if we had the kernel set to probe all LUNs on SCSI devices. Yes, we do. -- Chris www.innerfireworks.com How can you say this is not Eden? From andyzb at ltiflex.com Wed Feb 28 16:25:56 2001 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Simple question... References: Message-ID: <3A9D7AF4.91320D3D@ltiflex.com> Colin Kilbane wrote: > > How do you set your environment so that you can run a particular program > such as acrobat, from any current working directory? That depends on your shell. Most of the time, your shell is bash. Some people like tcsh. In anycase, you have to set the enviorment variable PATH. For bash, do something like export PATH=${PATH}:${HOME}/bin/:/opt/bin:/path/to/acrobat/reader This command sets PATH to be whatever PATH is currently set to plus /home/username/bin, /opt/bin, and /path/to/acrobat/reader A default user PATH should be set to something like /bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/games The superuser will generally have /sbin, /usr/sbin, and /usr/local/sbian as well. Type echo $PATH to see what you're path is currently set to. > In addition how can > you assign a particular file format a default reader? You have to edit your mime types. If your using GNOME, you can do this via the GNOME Control Center. KDE probally has similar functionality. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: andyzb.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 367 bytes Desc: Card for Andy Zbikowski Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010228/59ba2da7/andyzb.vcf From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Wed Feb 28 17:00:57 2001 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Troy Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Simple question... Message-ID: You might also get away with making a symbolic link to the executable in a directory already listed in the path (like /usr/local/bin). With more complicated programs that like to have their particular "bin" directory in the PATH, or some other environmental condition preset, you can make a shell script in a PATH directory to set up the environment nicely and then execute the program. Or, if it is something truly self contained, you can plunk it right into a PATH directory. All of these options really depend on the program you want to run: acroread and tractorgen are two very different cases. If you don't know exactly what you are doing, modify the PATH variable as Andy and Chris suggest. Otherwise you could easily trap yourself in a world of hurt. >>> andyzb@ltiflex.com 02/28/01 04:25PM >>> Colin Kilbane wrote: > > How do you set your environment so that you can run a particular program > such as acrobat, from any current working directory? That depends on your shell. Most of the time, your shell is bash. Some people like tcsh. In anycase, you have to set the enviorment variable PATH. For bash, do something like export PATH=${PATH}:${HOME}/bin/:/opt/bin:/path/to/acrobat/reader This command sets PATH to be whatever PATH is currently set to plus /home/username/bin, /opt/bin, and /path/to/acrobat/reader A default user PATH should be set to something like /bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/games The superuser will generally have /sbin, /usr/sbin, and /usr/local/sbian as well. Type echo $PATH to see what you're path is currently set to. > In addition how can > you assign a particular file format a default reader? You have to edit your mime types. If your using GNOME, you can do this via the GNOME Control Center. KDE probally has similar functionality. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 From m_nassar at yahoo.com Wed Feb 28 18:10:27 2001 From: m_nassar at yahoo.com (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GCC problems In-Reply-To: <200102282227.f1SMR5l16982@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010301001027.64700.qmail@web10112.mail.yahoo.com> i had a similar problem with Mandrake and GCC but i found that i had to (re)install the glibc and other related stuff... some guy pointed me to use c++ instead... works like a charm -munir ===== -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GAT GIT dpu- s:- a19 C++ UL P+ L+(++) E--- W+ N+ w(--) K? 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Anyone want it before I toss it out? -Yaron -- From tanner at real-time.com Wed Feb 28 20:53:25 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dirty Tricks used by Microsoft (free your mind) Message-ID: <20010228205325.H32368@real-time.com> http://www.vcnet.com/bms/departments/dirtytricks.shtml -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From kethry at winternet.com Tue Feb 20 06:22:04 2001 From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Couple of questions... In-Reply-To: <3A8BEDDA.B9D8EC38@maddog.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: Not to start a holy war, but I have a couple of questions...I'm looking into moving some of our servers (hopefully eventually ALL) over to linux, and my boss has given me the go ahead to start with our web server. Right now we're pretty well dedicated to the Lotus Domino environment, but I want to compare it with apache as far as http services are concerned. Does anyone have any experience working with Domino on linux? I know original testing by Lotus was done on Red Hat (gee, go figure, considering both are now owned by IBM). Has anyone tried it on anything else? What distro would be ideal for web servers? Has anyone tried using both Domino and apache on the same server (with apache handling http services?) Eventually we're also talking about testing Oracle8i (or 9) with our software - does anyone have experience with using Oracle on linux? Thanks, Liz -- Imagination is intelligence having fun... e-mail: kethry@winternet.com URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html From tanner at real-time.com Wed Feb 28 21:46:18 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] home.com ftp users? Message-ID: <20010228214618.A3670@real-time.com> How many TCLUGers are home.com users? I am having some problems with several home.com users and home.com's admins are just jerks, so I'd like to ban all of home.com, but I don't want to lock out TCLUG members because of some bad apples. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Wed Feb 28 22:00:42 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Medusa? Message-ID: <20010228220042.C3670@real-time.com> I just got updates from Redcarpet and it gave me medusa as an option. Now, anyone using medusa? Says it can be used for SMTP servers. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Feb 28 22:06:29 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian ISO's/Installfest In-Reply-To: ; from foeclan@winternet.com on Wed, Feb 28, 2001 at 08:29:04AM -0600 References: <3A9C8E34.AAF3B65E@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010228220629.G30564@ringworld.org> I'm also going to bring a 802.11 AP for those of you who want to test 802.11 cards on your laptops in linux. I suggest the Lucent or Cisco Aironet cards. The aironet cards have support from Cisco and in the kernel, lucent cards have kernel support. * Michael Vieths [010228 08:35]: > I've got a box of mice I'll be bringing, but don't have much in the way of > spare keyboards. > > Michael Vieths > Foeclan@Winternet.Com > > On Tue, 27 Feb 2001, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > > > Scott Dier wrote: > > > > Oh man...you're commiting me to waking up before noon on a > > Saturday...bastard! :) > > > > Sounds like fun though. I should have a good number of ISOs loaded on my box > > by saturday so we'll have another box to kick out cd's (You could even run > > my burner from a thin client, ohhhhhh!) > > > > But aren't we outta mice and keyboards? > > > > -- > > | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | > > | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | > > | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | > > | This message is protected by double ROT13 | > > | encryption. Any attempt to circumvent the | > > | digital protection is banned by the DMCA. | > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@efnet "When's the last time you used duct tape on a duct?" -Larry Wall -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010228/8605f2ab/attachment.pgp From chrisp at dusk.bitstream.net Wed Feb 28 22:17:04 2001 From: chrisp at dusk.bitstream.net (Christopher Palmer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Couple of questions... In-Reply-To: (message from Liz Burke-Scovill on Tue, 20 Feb 2001 06:22:04 -0600 (CST)) References: Message-ID: <20010301041704.9893.qmail@dusk.bitstream.net> I don't have any experience with Oracle or Domino, so I can't say anything about those. As for Linux distributions, the only one that you do not want is Mandrake, which is acceptable only for desktop systems on private or heavily firewalled networks, imo. All the other big ones (Red Hat, SuSE, Slackware, Debian) can be made to work just fine for you. These days I like Slackware best, but if IBM tested Domino on RHL, that points you to RHL. The only thing you should question is whether or not Apache is really what you need. Apache is not especially fast or efficient, but it is featureful. Only use it if you need the features it offers (things like PHP). There are certain cases where a lighter-weight server like thttpd or mathopd will serve you better. If Domino can serve HTTP, and you are already committed to using it, you may find it better to run one big server application than two. Also, it is common to have multiple web servers in high-volume situations: you might have a front-end server running Apache with PHP, mod_perl or something similar for dynamic content, and then a second server serving only static files. For that static file server, mathopd, publicfile or thttpd will give you serious performance. publicfile is as fast as loading the files locally, in many situations (!!). It seems to defy the laws of network topology. Good luck! -- Chris www.innerfireworks.com How can you say this is not Eden? From jack at jacku.com Wed Feb 28 23:06:49 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Couple of questions... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01022823064901.01216@geezer> As the lists resident SuSE bigot I would suggest looking at the SuSE Linux Groupware Server with Domino R5. As odd as this might sound it seems a lot of IBMs "enterprise" stuff is showing up in SuSE boxes. They have a DB2 product, the Notes product, and a Linux S/390 distrobution. To get there: http://www.suse.com/products If I were you I'd also check www.notes.net and the Domino Gold forum for any Linux discussions and who is using it on which distros. BTW when did IBM buy Red Hat? I must of missed that one. Jack On Tuesday 20 February 2001 06:22, you wrote: > Not to start a holy war, but I have a couple of questions...I'm looking > into moving some of our servers (hopefully eventually ALL) over to linux, > and my boss has given me the go ahead to start with our web server. Right > now we're pretty well dedicated to the Lotus Domino environment, but I > want to compare it with apache as far as http services are concerned. Does > anyone have any experience working with Domino on linux? I know original > testing by Lotus was done on Red Hat (gee, go figure, considering both are > now owned by IBM). Has anyone tried it on anything else? What distro would > be ideal for web servers? Has anyone tried using both Domino and apache on > the same server (with apache handling http services?) Eventually we're > also talking about testing Oracle8i (or 9) with our software - does anyone > have experience with using Oracle on linux? > > Thanks, > Liz From mike at getbent.net Wed Feb 28 23:29:53 2001 From: mike at getbent.net (Mike Nielsen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail and spooling Message-ID: <01022823295303.22850@Dingo> I'm pondering setting up my local sendmail server as a spooler for someone elses domain. I have already set myself up as a "lower" pref in their DNS but I'm not really sure how to go about setting this up in that cryptic sendmail.cf file.... Ideally if his mail server was down the mail for his domain would sit on my machines until it could be forwarded to his. I don't really want to have to create a virutal user for each of his. Can anyone point me to a specific set of documents at sendmail.org or whatever? -- ----------------------------- |\/|ike@GetBent.net From andyzib at ringworld.org Wed Feb 28 23:50:24 2001 From: andyzib at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] home.com ftp users? References: <20010228214618.A3670@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3A9DE320.7EA5C094@ringworld.org> > How many TCLUGers are home.com users? How do you get @home service in MN? -- | Andrew S. 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