From tanner at real-time.com Thu Feb 1 00:14:44 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] gabber on RedHat 7.0 In-Reply-To: <3A78F755.1CEB063@ringworld.org>; from andyzib@ringworld.org on Wed, Jan 31, 2001 at 11:42:45PM -0600 References: <20010131163725.P19728@real-time.com> <3A78F755.1CEB063@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010201001444.D28709@real-time.com> Quoting Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) (andyzib@ringworld.org): > > Seems that gabber wants gnomemm, gtkmm and others, which are not part of RedHat > > 7.0 and the binaries on the site are for 6.2 and don't work under 7.0 > > > > Just wanted to ask before walking down the hacking path. > > Are there Ximian GNOME packages for the stuff you need? All the packages I > needed under Debian were there. If you get it working, zibby@jabber.org :) > no, missing several packages. Just for rh 7.0, they are there in bin format for 6.2 -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From ftomlinson at cwctv.net Thu Feb 1 05:18:26 2001 From: ftomlinson at cwctv.net (ftomlinson@cwctv.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: <0ba602011110121DTVMAIL10@smtp.cwctv.net> From RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com Thu Feb 1 06:33:38 2001 From: RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off Message-ID: <8794B3B640FED2118D8600C00D0020A593F0A1@ipserver2.interplastic.com> They've pretty much IE'd everything on the site, although it appears with Opera. Alot of the things on that site only work properly with ie. You are correct sir, it sucks. > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Tanner [SMTP:tanner@real-time.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 9:15 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off > > Anyone else go to www.microsoft.com and NOT get the search text entry > widget in > the upper left corner when running netscape or mozilla? > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > From kent at structural-wood.com Thu Feb 1 07:25:56 2001 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off References: <20010131211451.D22215@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3A7963E4.6473E6DC@structural-wood.com> Bob Tanner wrote: > > Anyone else go to www.microsoft.com and NOT get the search text entry widget in > the upper left corner when running netscape or mozilla? > > -- Has anyone tried to get new tags for your car at the mndot web site? It doesn't work with Netscape or Mozilla - the URL ends in a .asp. I wrote them a nice little e-mail asking what the problem is. If they don't make it work for me I'm planning on raising a stink - anyone care to join in? From JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com Thu Feb 1 07:38:38 2001 From: JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com (Miller, John) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Free at last, free at last [long] Message-ID: I have Mediaone and will attest to the fact that at times my connection is slow. Also I can attest to the fact that they are monitoring my connection right now. I got the Ramen Noodle worm When it went looking for other computers to infect, that probably raised a few eyebrows at Mediaone, I have read that the Noodles search consumes larges amount of bandwidth. So mediaone sent me an e-mail that they are watching my connection for abuse. I just use my server for learning, I don't plan on using it for anything big or anything that depends 100% on a connection because Mediaone can change my IP address at anytime. Mediaone servers my needs at this time. John Miller Dain Rauscher Inc. Application Services IS Capital Markets Phone 612-547-7573 Fax 612-547-7580 -----Original Message----- From: Tom Hudak [mailto:thudak@sistina.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 1:24 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Free at last, free at last [long] On Wed, Jan 31, 2001 at 10:58:10AM -0600, Phil Plumbo wrote: >Ironically, all this hassle caused me to start investigating cable, and it >appears that can get far better service for $25 less per month. Hmmm.... As well as a good view of what your neighbor is looking at should you have "The probability of someone watching you is directly proportional to the stupidity of your action." > > > > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Thomas J. Hudak Systems Administrator Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com Phone: 612.379.3951 Page: 612.318.1967 Fax: 612.379.3952 _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com Thu Feb 1 07:12:02 2001 From: JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com (Miller, John) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: network setup Message-ID: I have not used WINY2K but I have networked three computers at home together. It only took me a month to get two of them to talk to each other, then I had to reload my RH and it took me another month to get them to talk to each other again. When I had to do it a third time, it only took two days. One thing I think might be important would be the work group and computer ID's. You said that some of the boxes won't even ping themselves, which ones. The ones that can ping themselves, can Debian ping them. Also how many boxes (I am curious). John Miller Dain Rauscher Inc. Application Services IS Capital Markets Phone 612-547-7573 Fax 612-547-7580 -----Original Message----- From: Dave Kleist [mailto:dkleist@acm.org] Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 9:45 PM To: TCLUG Subject: [TCLUG] OT: network setup Off-topic: I'm trying to get some windows boxes (2000, ME) to connect on the network and ping to each other. They won't but the Debian box seems to be okay. I've got addresses assigned, etc, but they won't talk to each other: some boxes won't even ping themselves. Anybody seen anything like this before? Any hints or suggestions (it's already occurred to me to have a huge bonfire). Thanks. - Dave -- Dave Kleist dkleist@acm.org "The covers of this book are too far apart." - Ambrose Bierce _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ben at nerp.net Thu Feb 1 08:00:53 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] This article burns ms In-Reply-To: <20010131230951.B28709@real-time.com> Message-ID: yea.. we know.. MS is going through the denial stage of things.. don't worry, it just meens we're winning :) Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Wed, 31 Jan 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,41527,00.html > > I don't normally vent, but this guy a MS is an ass. > > MS Exec: Linux Is Going Down > > The "recent security problems" is NOT linux specific, it's a BIND problem AND MS > should talk about 1. security 2. dns. Doesn't seem that they know very much > about either from recent events. > > The paragraph about laptops. I guess Miller hasn't tried to install Windows on a > laptop lately either. My Vaio F590K, won't do NT, 95 or 98, got to run 2K AND > only the Sony OEM version. So, yeah, I bought a laptop from a vendor who > supports Windows, same logic applies for linux. > > Does NT or 2K support swappable CPUs or memory? > > Man, was NT or 2k (with DOS as it's roots) designed with swappable CPU and > memory? > > Yes, VA took a bath in the market, but so did Microsoft. > > Ahh, the agony. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From kethry at winternet.com Thu Feb 1 08:10:50 2001 From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off In-Reply-To: <3A7963E4.6473E6DC@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Kent Schumacher wrote: > Bob Tanner wrote: > > > > Anyone else go to www.microsoft.com and NOT get the search text entry widget in > > the upper left corner when running netscape or mozilla? > > > > -- > > Has anyone tried to get new tags for your car at the mndot web site? It doesn't > work with Netscape or Mozilla - the URL ends in a .asp. I wrote them a nice > little e-mail asking what the problem is. If they don't make it work for me > I'm planning on raising a stink - anyone care to join in? what doesn't work about it - considering all an asp is is a server side script redirecting or filtering content, it shouldn't matter the browser as long as the server side is running IIS or something M$-ey...I can get there and run fine using Netscape...but I couldn't go through the entire process 'cuz my tabs aren't due to expire by March 2001. Liz -- Imagination is intelligence having fun... e-mail: kethry@winternet.com URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html From andy at theasis.com Thu Feb 1 08:14:12 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] This article burns ms In-Reply-To: <20010131230951.B28709@real-time.com> Message-ID: > http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,41527,00.html > > I don't normally vent, but this guy a MS is an ass. > > MS Exec: Linux Is Going Down > > The "recent security problems" is NOT linux specific, it's a BIND problem AND MS > should talk about 1. security 2. dns. Doesn't seem that they know very much > about either from recent events. That doesn't matter. Even if they do, chances are that they can get more PR mileage out of it by making statements like this, cuz more people will believe it than not. Andy From jsowers at osii.com Thu Feb 1 08:36:40 2001 From: jsowers at osii.com (Jason Sowers) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off In-Reply-To: <3A7963E4.6473E6DC@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: I'm in with ya ____________________________________ Jason Sowers Network Engineer Open Systems International 3600 Holly Lane North Suite 40 Minneapolis, MN 55447-1286 Phone: (763) 551-0559 Fax: (763) 551-1750 Email: jsowers@osii.com http: www.osii.com & www.e-scada.com -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Kent Schumacher Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 7:26 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off Bob Tanner wrote: > > Anyone else go to www.microsoft.com and NOT get the search text entry widget in > the upper left corner when running netscape or mozilla? > > -- Has anyone tried to get new tags for your car at the mndot web site? It doesn't work with Netscape or Mozilla - the URL ends in a .asp. I wrote them a nice little e-mail asking what the problem is. If they don't make it work for me I'm planning on raising a stink - anyone care to join in? _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jamie at getsetnet.net Thu Feb 1 08:40:04 2001 From: jamie at getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off - UN-Installfest References: <20010131211451.D22215@real-time.com> <3A7963E4.6473E6DC@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <001a01c08c5c$ef5c5720$991ea8c0@digitalriver.com> Maybe at the next TCLUG meeting we can have an UNinstallfest. We can have a contest to see how quickly participants can Uninstall Win NT or 2K from their boxes.:-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kent Schumacher" To: Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 7:25 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off > Bob Tanner wrote: > > > > Anyone else go to www.microsoft.com and NOT get the search text entry widget in > > the upper left corner when running netscape or mozilla? > > > > -- > > Has anyone tried to get new tags for your car at the mndot web site? It doesn't > work with Netscape or Mozilla - the URL ends in a .asp. I wrote them a nice > little e-mail asking what the problem is. If they don't make it work for me > I'm planning on raising a stink - anyone care to join in? > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From esper at sherohman.org Thu Feb 1 09:40:34 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off In-Reply-To: ; from kethry@winternet.com on Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 08:10:50AM -0600 References: <3A7963E4.6473E6DC@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <20010201094033.B24529@sherohman.org> On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 08:10:50AM -0600, Liz Burke-Scovill wrote: > what doesn't work about it - considering all an asp is is a server side > script redirecting or filtering content, it shouldn't matter the browser > as long as the server side is running IIS or something M$-ey... One possibility: MSIE gives URI extensions precedence over HTTP content-type. MSIE probably knows that .asp = HTML document, but Netscape may (should) not. So if, for some reason, an ASP document doesn't include a content-type header, it will work fine for MSIE users, but may not be handled as intended by Netscape. The one caveat is that, having never worked with ASP, I don't know whether the content-type is added automagically by the ASP engine (like a static page) or you have to set it manually within the script (like CGI or apache modules). If it's automatic, then the content-type header should always be present. (As for the MSIE "quirk", I discovered that when an MSIE user tried to access one of my apache modules with a string of parameters that ended with "...&EmailAddress=user@company.com" and MSIE complained about it not being an executable file. After a few minutes' puzzlement, I realized that, despite the "content-type: text/plain", MSIE said, ".com? That's a DOS command file!" and proved it by adding "&dummy=foo" to the end of the parameter list. Idjits.) -- SGI products are used to create the 'Bugs' that entertain us in theatres and at home. - SGI job posting Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From esper at sherohman.org Thu Feb 1 08:55:23 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off In-Reply-To: <3A7963E4.6473E6DC@structural-wood.com>; from kent@structural-wood.com on Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 07:25:56AM -0600 References: <20010131211451.D22215@real-time.com> <3A7963E4.6473E6DC@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <20010201085523.A24529@sherohman.org> On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 07:25:56AM -0600, Kent Schumacher wrote: > Has anyone tried to get new tags for your car at the mndot web site? It doesn't > work with Netscape or Mozilla - the URL ends in a .asp. I wrote them a nice > little e-mail asking what the problem is. If they don't make it work for me > I'm planning on raising a stink - anyone care to join in? Huh? They must've just broken it recently. I did mine last October and didn't have any problems. -- SGI products are used to create the 'Bugs' that entertain us in theatres and at home. - SGI job posting Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From esper at sherohman.org Thu Feb 1 09:41:57 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off - UN-Installfest In-Reply-To: <001a01c08c5c$ef5c5720$991ea8c0@digitalriver.com>; from jamie@getsetnet.net on Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 08:40:04AM -0600 References: <20010131211451.D22215@real-time.com> <3A7963E4.6473E6DC@structural-wood.com> <001a01c08c5c$ef5c5720$991ea8c0@digitalriver.com> Message-ID: <20010201094157.C24529@sherohman.org> On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 08:40:04AM -0600, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > Maybe at the next TCLUG meeting we can have an UNinstallfest. > We can have a contest to see how quickly participants can Uninstall Win NT > or 2K from their boxes.:-) Quick is easy: fdisk I think it would have to be judged on style instead of speed. -- SGI products are used to create the 'Bugs' that entertain us in theatres and at home. - SGI job posting Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From bradyh at bitstream.net Thu Feb 1 10:21:38 2001 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off In-Reply-To: References: <3A7963E4.6473E6DC@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20010201101607.00c05710@mail.bitstream.net> I recently emailed the USBanks online people because they don't support Mozilla. I'm guessing they detect the browser and if it's anything other than Netscape or IE they give you a message saying your browser isn't supported. I can understand why they'd want to be careful but now that Mozilla has built-in SSL it seems like it would be just a matter of saying - "Use with other browsers at your own risk..." Brady >-----Original Message----- >From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org >[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Kent Schumacher >Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 7:26 AM >To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >Subject: Re: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off > > >Bob Tanner wrote: > > > > Anyone else go to www.microsoft.com and NOT get the search text entry >widget in > > the upper left corner when running netscape or mozilla? > > > > -- > >Has anyone tried to get new tags for your car at the mndot web site? It >doesn't >work with Netscape or Mozilla - the URL ends in a .asp. I wrote them a nice >little e-mail asking what the problem is. If they don't make it work for me >I'm planning on raising a stink - anyone care to join in? From andyzb at ltiflex.com Thu Feb 1 10:55:36 2001 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off - UN-Installfest References: <20010131211451.D22215@real-time.com> <3A7963E4.6473E6DC@structural-wood.com> <001a01c08c5c$ef5c5720$991ea8c0@digitalriver.com> Message-ID: <3A799508.5DDE38F3@ltiflex.com> Hehe. fdisk /dev/hda d, 1 o w It's gone. :) -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If they don't make it work for me > > I'm planning on raising a stink - anyone care to join in? > > what doesn't work about it - considering all an asp is is a server side > script redirecting or filtering content, it shouldn't matter the browser > as long as the server side is running IIS or something M$-ey...I can get > there and run fine using Netscape...but I couldn't go through the entire > process 'cuz my tabs aren't due to expire by March 2001. > > Liz > Hi Liz, The url is http://www.dps.state.mn.us/dvs/renewTest/Renewal/home.asp. If I press on the credit card button in netscape, netscape blows out. This is on netscape 4.61 on Linux, netscape 4.75 on Linux, and netscape 4.72 on solaris. If I press on the credit card button in mozilla m7 on Linux, the barber pole spins for a while and then stops - the display doesn't change. I guess I pointed out the .asp extension since I associate it with IIS, and I am SOOO used to having interopability problems with anything M$-ey. So, does anyone have any bright ideas about how to apply pressure on the state to get it to adopt web sites that work with browsers other than exploder? Kent From cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu Thu Feb 1 10:15:24 2001 From: cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu (Charles Clifton Fulton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off - UN-Installfest In-Reply-To: <001a01c08c5c$ef5c5720$991ea8c0@digitalriver.com> Message-ID: I'd really like to see someone make an "Add/Remove Programs" plug in to un-install windows. While there at it how about an add Linux plug in. On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > Maybe at the next TCLUG meeting we can have an UNinstallfest. > We can have a contest to see how quickly participants can Uninstall Win NT > or 2K from their boxes.:-) From joe.rio at bankofamerica.com Thu Feb 1 12:06:48 2001 From: joe.rio at bankofamerica.com (joe.rio@bankofamerica.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Netscape Directory server Message-ID: <9510DF2FECA8D311816800508B6F478E7917AB@chitmd19.nt.il.nbgfn.com> Has anybody encountered the following warning on Netscapes Directory Server (SUN MACHINE)? WARNING, skipping entry found with no parent "ou=Netscape Servers,o=airius.com" ending line 2796 in input file Airius.ldif This doesn't happen with OpenLDAP. Thanks, Joe From andyzb at ltiflex.com Thu Feb 1 11:06:36 2001 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] This article burns ms References: <20010131230951.B28709@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3A79979C.DF26E018@ltiflex.com> Bob Tanner wrote: > > http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,41527,00.html > > I don't normally vent, but this guy a MS is an ass. > > MS Exec: Linux Is Going Down Step back, take a look at who is writing the article. Hmm, marketing guy. Do you think he has the customers best interests in mind or is he just trying to gain a stock point or two? Does he even know what he's writing about? (Ahem, NO!) So he's writing to anyone who will read what he wrote, assuem it must be the trust since it's a page on microsoft.com, and Microsoft is always right. Hopefully there are enough people out there who don't just accept everything fed to them as the unbiased truth and will step back and actually research, compare, etc. and realize that this guy isn't exactly right. Personally, I think this article is self distructive. You probally shouldn't post something like this when someone can replace all instances of Linux with Windows and all instances of linux companies with Microsoft and the article is still true. FUD at work. They really should just come out and and do a side by side comparsion of the two operatins systems. If they did, their investors might not freak out so badly when big security things happen. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: andyzb.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 367 bytes Desc: Card for Andy Zbikowski Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010201/b390a473/andyzb.vcf From jamie at getsetnet.net Thu Feb 1 11:14:12 2001 From: jamie at getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off - UN-Installfest References: <20010131211451.D22215@real-time.com> <3A7963E4.6473E6DC@structural-wood.com> <001a01c08c5c$ef5c5720$991ea8c0@digitalriver.com> <20010201094157.C24529@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <002901c08c72$77b75d80$991ea8c0@digitalriver.com> > Quick is easy: fdisk > > I think it would have to be judged on style instead of speed. > Maybe we could construct a large wooden catapult and see who can launch their Windows machines the farthest. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Sherohman" To: Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off - UN-Installfest > On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 08:40:04AM -0600, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > > Maybe at the next TCLUG meeting we can have an UNinstallfest. > > We can have a contest to see how quickly participants can Uninstall Win NT > > or 2K from their boxes.:-) > > -- > SGI products are used to create the 'Bugs' that entertain us in theatres > and at home. - SGI job posting > Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ > !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spencer at sihope.com Thu Feb 1 23:19:32 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (Spencer Underground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: network setup Message-ID: <3A7A4364.2080907@sihope.com> You might want to check the ip address of all the boxes. micronazi is particular to certain subnets and host addresses. Try and keep everything either in the 10.0.0.x or 192.168.x.x range. For a subnet you usually can get away with the defaults as long as your host addresses are the same. micronazi uses a default of 2555.0.0.0 and lunices use 255.255.255.0 so check that also. Probably the first place to look however is the device manager. Make sure you card is installed into the micronazi matrix first. Also check your lights on the NIC's themselves. Don't forget to double check you cables also. Make sure you hub or router is not blocking ip's or failing.(make sure it's on). If none of that works then.............kick it.......... -Spencer From tim at tneu.visi.com Thu Feb 1 12:18:27 2001 From: tim at tneu.visi.com (tim) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] This article burns ms In-Reply-To: Message-ID: http://satirewire.com/news/0101/linux_quit.shtml What a riot! :-) -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- What the president of the Motion Picture Association of America says about taking away your constitutional rights: "I'm rather jubilant now. What Judge Kaplan did was blow away every one of these brittle and fragile rebuttals. He threw out fair use; he threw out reverse engineering; he threw out linking." - Jack Valenti, president of the Motion Picture Association of America. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ______ _ __ "If you don't have the freedom to use what you / ' ) ) own - then you do not own anything." / o ______ / / _ . . No apologies to Jack Valenti or the MPAA / <_/ / / < / (_ Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 08:40:04AM -0600, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > > Maybe at the next TCLUG meeting we can have an UNinstallfest. > > We can have a contest to see how quickly participants can Uninstall Win NT > > or 2K from their boxes.:-) > > Quick is easy: fdisk > > I think it would have to be judged on style instead of speed. Additional condition: The computer has to operate afterward. Sorry, the catapult and rail guns are a different contest. Phil M -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From gregory.siems at pca.state.mn.us Thu Feb 1 12:43:53 2001 From: gregory.siems at pca.state.mn.us (Siems, Gregory) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off Message-ID: Hey, come on... It isn't the all encompassing state that's doing this, web sites are developed and administered by the various agencies & departments in the state... And not all agencies are using ASP. Netscape 4.61 on WinNT also blows up. Bad web page, bad, bad, bad... > ---------- > From: Kent Schumacher[SMTP:kent@structural-wood.com] > Reply To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 10:01 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off > > Liz Burke-Scovill wrote: > > > > On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Kent Schumacher wrote: > > > > > Bob Tanner wrote: > > > > > > > > Anyone else go to www.microsoft.com and NOT get the search text entry widget in > > > > the upper left corner when running netscape or mozilla? > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Has anyone tried to get new tags for your car at the mndot web site? It doesn't > > > work with Netscape or Mozilla - the URL ends in a .asp. I wrote them a nice > > > little e-mail asking what the problem is. If they don't make it work for me > > > I'm planning on raising a stink - anyone care to join in? > > > > what doesn't work about it - considering all an asp is is a server side > > script redirecting or filtering content, it shouldn't matter the browser > > as long as the server side is running IIS or something M$-ey...I can get > > there and run fine using Netscape...but I couldn't go through the entire > > process 'cuz my tabs aren't due to expire by March 2001. > > > > Liz > > > > Hi Liz, > > The url is http://www.dps.state.mn.us/dvs/renewTest/Renewal/home.asp. > > If I press on the credit card button in netscape, netscape blows out. > This is on netscape 4.61 on Linux, netscape 4.75 on Linux, and > netscape 4.72 on solaris. > > If I press on the credit card button in mozilla m7 on Linux, the > barber pole spins for a while and then stops - the display doesn't > change. > > I guess I pointed out the .asp extension since I associate it with IIS, > and I am SOOO used to having interopability problems with anything > M$-ey. > > So, does anyone have any bright ideas about how to apply pressure on > the state to get it to adopt web sites that work with browsers other > than exploder? > > Kent > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From duncan at sodatrain.com Thu Feb 1 13:00:24 2001 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux/Unix Job Sceene In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello- I am brand new to this list, and i am very sorry if this has ben covered, i didnt see it anywhere. I am writing to ask what the linux / unix / open source job sceene is like in the Minneapolis / St. Paul area. I am a native to MN, however I am living in Boston currently. I lived in MN thru my years at Saint Johns, and then moved to Boston for more internet type jobs. I currently hold a position as a linux systems administrator at a start-up that isint really a startup. (we are approx 60 people, recently closed a VC round of just closed a round of funding for about $20 million and are much more stable and 'normal' that your traditional startup. Anyways, I am moving back to MSP area at the end of june and will be needing a job. I dont really know anything about the market for linux/unix sys admin types. Or for any linux type jobs for that matter. Would you as a community be willing to help shed some light on the market and the kinds of opportunities in Minneapolis and St paul currently? Pointers to resources (beyond the monster.com, hotjobs.com....) I have thought that a university jobs may be cool, and i see that the company that does GFS is in minneaplois, as well as someone working with WINE. Any information would be appreciated, as well as any feedback on salary ranges and cost of living stuff. Thank you very much, i look forward to joining the LUG meetings when I move back! thanks again- -- || || || || || || duncan shannon .-. duncan@sodatrain.com /v\ // \\ /( )\ L I N U X ^^-^^ >Phear the Penguin< From tanner at real-time.com Thu Feb 1 13:04:00 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off In-Reply-To: <3A7963E4.6473E6DC@structural-wood.com>; from kent@structural-wood.com on Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 07:25:56AM -0600 References: <20010131211451.D22215@real-time.com> <3A7963E4.6473E6DC@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <20010201130400.H22215@real-time.com> Quoting Kent Schumacher (kent@structural-wood.com): > Bob Tanner wrote: > > > > Anyone else go to www.microsoft.com and NOT get the search text entry widget in > > the upper left corner when running netscape or mozilla? > > > > -- > > Has anyone tried to get new tags for your car at the mndot web site? It doesn't > work with Netscape or Mozilla - the URL ends in a .asp. I wrote them a nice > little e-mail asking what the problem is. If they don't make it work for me > I'm planning on raising a stink - anyone care to join in? This must have recently changed. I was able to get my tags in Oct with Netscape 4.76 with no problem. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu Thu Feb 1 14:42:57 2001 From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Short a hd! In-Reply-To: <3A7A4364.2080907@sihope.com> Message-ID: Does anyone have a 2 to 3 gig drive that they want to get rid of? I have a p75 that I am giving away and I'll I need is the hd. Colin Kilbane From jeffr at odeon.net Thu Feb 1 15:06:46 2001 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off - UN-Installfest In-Reply-To: <002901c08c72$77b75d80$991ea8c0@digitalriver.com> Message-ID: How about just launching the hard drives rather than the whole system? Jeff On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > > Quick is easy: fdisk > > > > I think it would have to be judged on style instead of speed. > > > > Maybe we could construct a large wooden catapult and see who can launch > their Windows machines the farthest. From kent at structural-wood.com Thu Feb 1 16:05:21 2001 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off - MN-DSP update References: Message-ID: <3A79DDA1.3A8A28CB@structural-wood.com> Well, here is the progress of the battle so far. I like the little prompt they give me about sort of computer I'm supposed to have (IBM based or Mac based). It kind of tells you who they are used to dealing with. I'd encourage everyone to get in the act. I really don't want to be left out in the cold for convenient access to government services. I've spent way too much time waiting in endless lines... Here's how to get involved: Start your browser Surf to www.dps.state.mn.us/autolicense. Press the credit card button. Restart your browser Surf to www.dps.state.mn.us/autolicense. Send an nice e-mail to the convenient e-mail address on the page. DVS Motor Vehicles wrote: > > Thank you for contacting Driver and Vehicle Services, > > We apologize for the inconvenience you experienced. While most transactions > are being completed successfully, a few customers have informed us that they > experienced problems when using their credit cards or with the routing > number for ACH transactions. Our technicians are looking into the matter. > In order to help us determine where the errors are occurring, we would > greatly appreciate any additional information that you can provide. This > includes the following: > > What type of computer is being used? (IBM based or Mac based) It fails both on Linux running on a Pentium and Solaris running on a Sparc > > What type of browser is being used? (Internet Explorer or Netscape) Netscape 4.61, Netscape 4.72, Netscape 4.75, and Mozilla M7 > > Where did the problem occur when using our Internet renewal web site? I surf to http://www.dps.state.mn.us/autolicense, this automatically forwards me to http://www.dps.state.mn.us/dvs/renewTest/Renewal/home.asp, I then press the [credit card] button, and my browser either does nothing (Mozilla), or blows out (Netscape). > > What problem did you encounter? I press the [credit card] button, and my browser either does nothing (Mozilla), or blows out (Netscape). > > Any additional comments or concerns that you have regarding this process? > > Although this information will not resolve your immediate situation, we will > use this to help eliminate these problems from occurring in the future, and > to further refine this process. You may still renew your registration > through the mail (please allow 20 days to process) or through your local > motor vehicle office . > > Thank you for taking this additional time to inform us of the problems that > you have encountered. > > Sincerely, > Operator #12 Kelly > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kent Schumacher [SMTP:kent@structural-wood.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 2:15 PM > To: DVS Motor Vehicles > Subject: Re: Driver and Vehicle services internet renewal > > When I go to the url you suggest > (http://www.dps.state.mn.us/autolicense), > it forwards my browser to > http://www.dps.state.mn.us/dvs/renewTest/Renewal/home.asp. > > If I then press the credit card button, my browser blows out. I > have now tried this > with Netscape 4.61, 4.72, 4.75, and Mozilla M7. All versions of > Netscape blow out > when I press the credit card button, Mozilla's barber pole spins for > a while and > then stops without anything happening. > > Thanks, > Kent > > DVS Motor Vehicles wrote: > > > > Thank you for contacting Driver and Vehicle Services, Try this > link to get > > to the renewal site. Operator #12 Kelly > > http://www.dps.state.mn.us/autolicense > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kent Schumacher [SMTP:kent@structural-wood.com] > > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 10:04 AM > > To: motor.vehicles@state.mn.us > > Subject: Driver and Vehicle services internet > renewal > > > > Hi, when I go to this url > > > > http://www.dps.state.mn.us/dvs/renewTest/Renewal/home.asp > > > > and press the credit card button, my browser blows up. > This > > is the only site I know that I have this problem with. > > > > I would really like to be able to renew my license on > line. > > > > Any suggestions? From esper at sherohman.org Thu Feb 1 17:20:27 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux/Unix Job Sceene In-Reply-To: ; from duncan@sodatrain.com on Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 02:00:24PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010201172027.A25117@sherohman.org> On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 02:00:24PM -0500, duncan wrote: > I am brand new to this list, and i am very sorry if this has ben covered, > i didnt see it anywhere. A better place to ask about this would probably be the TCLUG-Jobs mailing list. > Would you as a community be willing to help shed some light on the market > and the kinds of opportunities in Minneapolis and St paul > currently? Pointers to resources (beyond the monster.com, > hotjobs.com....) TCLUG-Jobs. After sending out a bunch of resumes to monster listings and not even getting responses to the vast majority of them, I sent a message to TCLUG-Jobs last Friday asking if anyone was hiring for Linux/Unix positions. I just got home from my fourth interview this week... -- SGI products are used to create the 'Bugs' that entertain us in theatres and at home. - SGI job posting Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From natecars at real-time.com Thu Feb 1 17:21:30 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off - UN-Installfest In-Reply-To: <002901c08c72$77b75d80$991ea8c0@digitalriver.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > > Maybe we could construct a large wooden catapult and see who can launch > their Windows machines the farthest. > But don't they make better Linux boxes running Seti than destroyed Windoze boxen? Unless, of course, they are windows-proprietary hardware, then that's perfectly acceptable. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From drew at usfamily.net Thu Feb 1 18:13:55 2001 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] was it OmniKey? References: Message-ID: <3A79FBC3.8D4C810@usfamily.net> I remember that there was a heated discussion about keyboards a while ago. Some one was saying that there are these great keyboards I think they were Omnikey that everyone was said because they were not made any more. Was that the keyboard everone was mentioning? ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ From dkleist at acm.org Thu Feb 1 19:21:26 2001 From: dkleist at acm.org (Dave Kleist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: network setup In-Reply-To: <3A7A4364.2080907@sihope.com>; from spencer@sihope.com on Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 23:19:32 -0600 References: <3A7A4364.2080907@sihope.com> Message-ID: <20010201192126.C7462@coder> To answer questions, 1) The devices are working, though the ME install of the driver left much to be desired. 2) It's two Win2K machines, 1 WinME, and a 486 Debian firewall. (The pentium fileserver comes later). 3) The router works (the firewall can ping to the outside world) 4) The two Win2K machines will talk to each other under particular circumstances 5) Don't about the cabling, it's new and that's half the problem (can't isolate causes) 6) The subnet might an option: I'll have to look into that. > If none of that works then.............kick it.......... Given the installfest theme and my patience, I'm thinking trebuchet. - Dave -- Dave Kleist dkleist@acm.org "The covers of this book are too far apart." - Ambrose Bierce From lanbarnes at earthlink.net Thu Feb 1 14:54:07 2001 From: lanbarnes at earthlink.net (Lan Barnes) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] This article burns ms References: Message-ID: <3A79CCEF.D3C358EA@earthlink.net> tim wrote: -snip of body- > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > What the president of the Motion Picture Association of America says about > taking away your constitutional rights: > > "I'm rather jubilant now. What Judge Kaplan did was blow away every one of > these brittle and fragile rebuttals. He threw out fair use; he threw out > reverse engineering; he threw out linking." > > - Jack Valenti, president of the Motion Picture Association of America. Snarfed for my sigs :-) -- Lan Barnes lanbarnes@earthlink.net Icon Consulting, Inc 858-273-6677 Key fingerprint = 57D6 C219 140A A81E 26C6 8138 0E62 7F4A 2659 7389 I shall hear in heaven. - Beethoven (attributed last words) From RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com Thu Feb 1 15:01:26 2001 From: RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off - UN-Installfest Message-ID: <8794B3B640FED2118D8600C00D0020A593F0AC@ipserver2.interplastic.com> Ok class. Today's word is FDISK. > -----Original Message----- > From: Jamie Ostrowski [SMTP:jamie@getsetnet.net] > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 8:40 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off - UN-Installfest > > Maybe at the next TCLUG meeting we can have an UNinstallfest. > We can have a contest to see how quickly participants can Uninstall Win > NT > or 2K from their boxes.:-) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kent Schumacher" > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 7:25 AM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off > > > > Bob Tanner wrote: > > > > > > Anyone else go to www.microsoft.com and NOT get the search text entry > widget in > > > the upper left corner when running netscape or mozilla? > > > > > > -- > > > > Has anyone tried to get new tags for your car at the mndot web site? It > doesn't > > work with Netscape or Mozilla - the URL ends in a .asp. I wrote them a > nice > > little e-mail asking what the problem is. If they don't make it work > for > me > > I'm planning on raising a stink - anyone care to join in? > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From drew at usfamily.net Thu Feb 1 21:59:55 2001 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] was it OmniKey? References: <3A79FBC3.8D4C810@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <00ad01c08ccc$9b69e7c0$01ff5486@gateway> holy crap why are my fonts so large? ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ From ben at nerp.net Thu Feb 1 20:54:13 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] was it OmniKey? In-Reply-To: <3A79FBC3.8D4C810@usfamily.net> Message-ID: yes.. the omni-key.. which is still being made.. by a company called avant Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > I remember that there was a heated discussion about keyboards a while ago. Some > one was saying that there are these great keyboards I think they were Omnikey > that everyone was said because they were not made any more. Was that the > keyboard everone was mentioning? > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Feb 1 16:23:21 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off - UN-Installfest References: Message-ID: <3A79E1D9.48DF05FC@tc.umn.edu> Philip C Mendelsohn wrote: > > Additional condition: The computer has to operate afterward. Sorry, the > catapult and rail guns are a different contest. But there are so many definitions of `operate' ;-) An appropriately talented hacker would be able to just use `debug' to write some bytes to the boot sector and get the system to erase itself and then come up with a rudimentary prompt (which probably wouldn't do anything..) If by `operate' you mean that the system has to be capable of real user interaction, you'd probably have to go the route of `format c: /s/q', though I don't know how well that works on today's multi-gigabyte drives.. If you want Linux, it'd take quite a few tricks that would depend heavily upon the tools that you have available to you. IMHO, the real challenge would be to see how long it takes you to install a working piece of linux (just a bash prompt is fine by me) from a stock Win2k system. No floppies and no CDs, though I'll let you have an Internet connection. But, that might be a little too hard... Might have to be nice and give you a blank floppy or two.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ If you think nobody cares / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ about you, try missing a \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) couple of payments. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From jsowers at osii.com Thu Feb 1 16:42:40 2001 From: jsowers at osii.com (Jason Sowers) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux/Unix Job Sceene In-Reply-To: Message-ID: my personal opinion (and I haven't lived down here that long) which may not hold water: stay in Boston. Pickin's are a little slim around here in the Linux World. ____________________________________ Jason Sowers Network Engineer Open Systems International 3600 Holly Lane North Suite 40 Minneapolis, MN 55447-1286 Phone: (763) 551-0559 Fax: (763) 551-1750 Email: jsowers@osii.com http: www.osii.com & www.e-scada.com -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of duncan Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 1:00 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Linux/Unix Job Sceene Hello- I am brand new to this list, and i am very sorry if this has ben covered, i didnt see it anywhere. I am writing to ask what the linux / unix / open source job sceene is like in the Minneapolis / St. Paul area. I am a native to MN, however I am living in Boston currently. I lived in MN thru my years at Saint Johns, and then moved to Boston for more internet type jobs. I currently hold a position as a linux systems administrator at a start-up that isint really a startup. (we are approx 60 people, recently closed a VC round of just closed a round of funding for about $20 million and are much more stable and 'normal' that your traditional startup. Anyways, I am moving back to MSP area at the end of june and will be needing a job. I dont really know anything about the market for linux/unix sys admin types. Or for any linux type jobs for that matter. Would you as a community be willing to help shed some light on the market and the kinds of opportunities in Minneapolis and St paul currently? Pointers to resources (beyond the monster.com, hotjobs.com....) I have thought that a university jobs may be cool, and i see that the company that does GFS is in minneaplois, as well as someone working with WINE. Any information would be appreciated, as well as any feedback on salary ranges and cost of living stuff. Thank you very much, i look forward to joining the LUG meetings when I move back! thanks again- -- || || || || || || duncan shannon .-. duncan@sodatrain.com /v\ // \\ /( )\ L I N U X ^^-^^ >Phear the Penguin< _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Thu Feb 1 16:44:55 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] autoconf experts? Message-ID: <20010201164455.J22215@real-time.com> I am trying to compile gnomemm-1.1.14 on RedHat 7.0 and I found a bug in autoconf. I make a hack to acgeneral.m4, ran autoconf, but it does not pick up my changes. Anyone have experience with autoconf and the knowledge on how to make changes to the m4 files so they actually get picked up by autoconf? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Thu Feb 1 13:11:57 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off In-Reply-To: <3A798866.AE60F714@structural-wood.com>; from kent@structural-wood.com on Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 10:01:42AM -0600 References: <3A798866.AE60F714@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <20010201131156.A22116@pchelka.space.umn.edu> On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 10:01:42AM -0600, Kent Schumacher wrote: > > The url is http://www.dps.state.mn.us/dvs/renewTest/Renewal/home.asp. > > If I press on the credit card button in netscape, netscape blows out. > This is on netscape 4.61 on Linux, netscape 4.75 on Linux, and > netscape 4.72 on solaris. The credit card button works for me with netscape 4.76 on Solaris and Linux. Some kind of configuration issue? Do have a firewall or proxy or something that might be getting in the way. -- Jim Crumley | crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | From tanner at real-time.com Thu Feb 1 13:24:28 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fisher directory layout changed Message-ID: <20010201132428.N22215@real-time.com> Looks like the fisher directory layout has changed. :-( I did not catch it soon enough and rsync merrily deleted a chunk of the SRPMS. RedHat apologized. I am burning bandwidth getting the delete SRPMS. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From esper at sherohman.org Thu Feb 1 17:44:43 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20010201101607.00c05710@mail.bitstream.net>; from bradyh@bitstream.net on Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 10:21:38AM -0600 References: <3A7963E4.6473E6DC@structural-wood.com> <4.2.0.58.20010201101607.00c05710@mail.bitstream.net> Message-ID: <20010201174443.C25117@sherohman.org> On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 10:21:38AM -0600, Brady Hegberg wrote: > I recently emailed the USBanks online people because they don't support > Mozilla. I'm guessing they detect the browser and if it's anything other > than Netscape or IE they give you a message saying your browser isn't > supported. I can understand why they'd want to be careful but now that > Mozilla has built-in SSL it seems like it would be just a matter of saying > - "Use with other browsers at your own risk..." SSL has nothing to do with it - you can tell apache that certain URIs are only accessible using SSL and I'm sure that IIS has a similar capability, so you can easily deny non-SSL connections without having to look at the user-agent. Pretty much every case I've seen where user-agent is checked, it's been because the web site's developer has wanted to include the freaky-neato-cool- effect-of-the-day, but it has to be done slightly differently under MSIE than Netscape, so he codes it for each of them and refuses to deal with you if he can't figure out how to make your browser play 1812 Overture and shake the text in time with the cannons. Or he's so used to doing that sort of thing that he automatically checks the user-agent and rejects "non-standard" browsers out of habit, even if he's serving up plain text and won't use the browser information for anything other than telling people to go away. -- SGI products are used to create the 'Bugs' that entertain us in theatres and at home. - SGI job posting Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From thudak at sistina.com Thu Feb 1 18:32:29 2001 From: thudak at sistina.com (Tom Hudak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux/Unix Job Sceene In-Reply-To: ; from duncan@sodatrain.com on Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 02:00:24PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010201183229.A26390@cesium.sistina.com> On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 02:00:24PM -0500, duncan wrote: >Hello- > >I am brand new to this list, and i am very sorry if this has ben covered, >i didnt see it anywhere. > >I am writing to ask what the linux / unix / open source job sceene is like >in the Minneapolis / St. Paul area. I am a native to MN, however I am >living in Boston currently. I lived in MN thru my years at Saint Johns, >and then moved to Boston for more internet type jobs. I currently hold a >position as a linux systems administrator at a start-up that isint really >a startup. (we are approx 60 people, recently closed a VC round of just >closed a round of funding for about $20 million and are much more stable >and 'normal' that your traditional startup. > >Anyways, I am moving back to MSP area at the end of june and will be >needing a job. I dont really know anything about the market for >linux/unix sys admin types. Or for any linux type jobs for that matter. > >Would you as a community be willing to help shed some light on the market >and the kinds of opportunities in Minneapolis and St paul >currently? Pointers to resources (beyond the monster.com, >hotjobs.com....) I have thought that a university jobs may be cool, and i >see that the company that does GFS is in minneaplois, as well as someone >working with WINE. We here at sistina are currently interviewing, and as soon as our HR dept gets on it's way, we will be actively hiring lots of people. Send over a resume, I'd love to pass it along as we are a linux-only development shop right now (except the winblows boxen the suits need to use.) Also, the tclug jobs list gets some activity that's interesting. (That's why I'm working here in fact, thanks to Idiot Ben ;-) I would suggest checking the local papers for other opportunities, but I would be more than willing to get your resume pushed through, we are in need of administrative people as we will be setting up a training center and a LOT more machines than the 2 of us can handle very shortly. > >Any information would be appreciated, as well as any feedback on salary >ranges and cost of living stuff. > >Thank you very much, i look forward to joining the LUG meetings when I >move back! > >thanks again- > > >-- >|| || || || || || >duncan shannon .-. >duncan@sodatrain.com /v\ > // \\ > /( )\ L I N U X > ^^-^^ >Phear the Penguin< > > > > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list Enjoy the rest of your time in Boston, MN really isn't all that fun compared to MA. Thanks, -- Thomas J. Hudak Systems Administrator Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com Phone: 612.379.3951 Page: 612.318.1967 Fax: 612.379.3952 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010201/98318d47/attachment.pgp From jack at jacku.com Thu Feb 1 19:21:18 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off In-Reply-To: <3A798866.AE60F714@structural-wood.com> References: <3A798866.AE60F714@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <01020119211800.01130@geezer> FWIW I went to the site with Konqueror (straight out of Kmail) and it came up and when I pressed the Credit Card button I got a screen that requested my License plate number and the last four digits of my VIN. I didn'''`ot go any further since I'''m not due for new tabs for a couple of months. Jack On Thursday 01 February 2001 10:01, you wrote: > Liz Burke-Scovill wrote: > > On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Kent Schumacher wrote: > > > Bob Tanner wrote: > > > > Anyone else go to www.microsoft.com and NOT get the search text entry > > > > widget in the upper left corner when running netscape or mozilla? > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Has anyone tried to get new tags for your car at the mndot web site? > > > It doesn't work with Netscape or Mozilla - the URL ends in a .asp. I > > > wrote them a nice little e-mail asking what the problem is. If they > > > don't make it work for me I'm planning on raising a stink - anyone care > > > to join in? > > > > what doesn't work about it - considering all an asp is is a server side > > script redirecting or filtering content, it shouldn't matter the browser > > as long as the server side is running IIS or something M$-ey...I can get > > there and run fine using Netscape...but I couldn't go through the entire > > process 'cuz my tabs aren't due to expire by March 2001. > > > > Liz > > Hi Liz, > > The url is http://www.dps.state.mn.us/dvs/renewTest/Renewal/home.asp. > > If I press on the credit card button in netscape, netscape blows out. > This is on netscape 4.61 on Linux, netscape 4.75 on Linux, and > netscape 4.72 on solaris. > > If I press on the credit card button in mozilla m7 on Linux, the > barber pole spins for a while and then stops - the display doesn't > change. > > I guess I pointed out the .asp extension since I associate it with IIS, > and I am SOOO used to having interopability problems with anything > M$-ey. > > So, does anyone have any bright ideas about how to apply pressure on > the state to get it to adopt web sites that work with browsers other > than exploder? > > Kent > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jamie at getsetnet.net Thu Feb 1 23:04:47 2001 From: jamie at getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off - UN-Installfest In-Reply-To: <8794B3B640FED2118D8600C00D0020A593F0AC@ipserver2.interplastic.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Ryan Ware wrote: > Ok class. Today's word is FDISK. We are judging on style of the un-install, not the speed. A 25 pound server flying across lake nokomis is much more theatric! :-) > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jamie Ostrowski [SMTP:jamie@getsetnet.net] > > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 8:40 AM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off - UN-Installfest > > > > Maybe at the next TCLUG meeting we can have an UNinstallfest. > > We can have a contest to see how quickly participants can Uninstall Win > > NT > > or 2K from their boxes.:-) > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kent Schumacher" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 7:25 AM > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off > > > > > > > Bob Tanner wrote: > > > > > > > > Anyone else go to www.microsoft.com and NOT get the search text entry > > widget in > > > > the upper left corner when running netscape or mozilla? > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Has anyone tried to get new tags for your car at the mndot web site? It > > doesn't > > > work with Netscape or Mozilla - the URL ends in a .asp. I wrote them a > > nice > > > little e-mail asking what the problem is. If they don't make it work > > for > > me > > > I'm planning on raising a stink - anyone care to join in? > > > _______________________________________________ > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- "It is a mistake to let any mechanical object realise that you are in a hurry." --Ralph From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Fri Feb 2 07:58:56 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off - UN-Installfest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Ryan Ware wrote: > > > Ok class. Today's word is FDISK. > > > We are judging on style of the un-install, not the speed. A 25 pound > server flying across lake nokomis is much more theatric! :-) OK -- I've got a better one, now. How about put it in a 10Tesla mag field -- like an NMR machine. Just bulk erase the whole damn machine. I bet we could do half a dozen at a time, and get a few points for style while the magnet melts down. (I can't remember why we don't want to put metal objects in exactly -- maybe someone can help me out.) Cheers, Phil M From kent at structural-wood.com Fri Feb 2 08:46:56 2001 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off References: Message-ID: <3A7AC860.965694EE@structural-wood.com> "Siems, Gregory" wrote: > > Hey, come on... > > It isn't the all encompassing state that's doing this, web sites are developed and administered by the various agencies & departments in the state... And not all agencies are using ASP. > > Netscape 4.61 on WinNT also blows up. Bad web page, bad, bad, bad... > > OK, I apologize for using too broad a brush. It's very hard from the outside to know how all the various agencies and departments in the state relate to each other. I'll try to be more discerning in the future. From thudak at sistina.com Fri Feb 2 09:27:39 2001 From: thudak at sistina.com (Tom Hudak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] was it OmniKey? In-Reply-To: <3A79FBC3.8D4C810@usfamily.net>; from drew@usfamily.net on Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 06:13:55PM -0600 References: <3A79FBC3.8D4C810@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <20010202092739.A11130@sistina.com> On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 06:13:55PM -0600, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: >I remember that there was a heated discussion about keyboards a while ago. Some >one was saying that there are these great keyboards I think they were Omnikey >that everyone was said because they were not made any more. Was that the >keyboard everone was mentioning? The OmniKey keyboards by northgate systems... talk about the most tweaked out keyboard! (I have an ultra) which has 3 (yes 3) different keyboard adapters on the back of the thing, not to mention a button that's an auto ctrl-alt-delete, and f1-12 + SF1-12, that's 24 function keys! Not to mention it's a clicker, my personal favorite. (I can't stand the damn soft touch kb's anymore.) I haven't a clue if they're actually manufactured anymore, but I've had mine for almost 12 years, and it's just awesome. Check northgate systems to see what they still manufacture, but I have yet to find a keyboard with such an array of options built in. Who woulda thought they'd make a keyboard 12 years ago, that a hacker (myself) would fall in love with so much in todays market. Anyways, if you find northgate before I do, I'd love to pick up a couple more, otherwise I'm gonna start searching for them again. > > > >------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list Thanks, -- Thomas J. Hudak Systems Administrator Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com Phone: 612.379.3951 Page: 612.318.1967 Fax: 612.379.3952 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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My wrists hurt now if I use anything other than one of those ergo keyboards. Maybe I could saw the omnikey down the middle and rotate each half outward by 10 degrees. :) Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Hudak [mailto:thudak@sistina.com] > Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 9:28 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] was it OmniKey? > > > On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 06:13:55PM -0600, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > >I remember that there was a heated discussion about > keyboards a while ago. Some > >one was saying that there are these great keyboards I think > they were Omnikey > >that everyone was said because they were not made any more. > Was that the > >keyboard everone was mentioning? > The OmniKey keyboards by northgate systems... talk about the > most tweaked out > keyboard! (I have an ultra) which has 3 (yes 3) different > keyboard adapters on > the back of the thing, not to mention a button that's an auto > ctrl-alt-delete, > and f1-12 + SF1-12, that's 24 function keys! Not to mention > it's a clicker, my > personal favorite. (I can't stand the damn soft touch kb's > anymore.) I haven't > a clue if they're actually manufactured anymore, but I've had > mine for almost > 12 years, and it's just awesome. Check northgate systems to > see what they > still manufacture, but I have yet to find a keyboard with > such an array of > options built in. Who woulda thought they'd make a keyboard > 12 years ago, that > a hacker (myself) would fall in love with so much in todays > market. Anyways, > if you find northgate before I do, I'd love to pick up a couple more, > otherwise I'm gonna start searching for them again. > > > > > > > >------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From > $8.99/mo! ------ > > > >_______________________________________________ > >tclug-list mailing list > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > Thanks, > > -- > Thomas J. Hudak > Systems Administrator > Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com > Phone: 612.379.3951 Page: 612.318.1967 > Fax: 612.379.3952 > From clay at fandre.com Fri Feb 2 10:44:10 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] was it OmniKey? References: <3A79FBC3.8D4C810@usfamily.net> <20010202092739.A11130@sistina.com> Message-ID: <3A7AE3DA.392BD3C9@fandre.com> Tom Hudak wrote: > > Not to mention it's a clicker, my personal favorite. (I can't stand the damn soft touch kb's anymore.) OK. I'm curious. What do you guys prefer for a keyboard? Click or soft-touch? http://www.mn-linux.org/polls/keyboard.php From drew at usfamily.net Fri Feb 2 13:00:36 2001 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] was it OmniKey? References: <3A79FBC3.8D4C810@usfamily.net> <20010202092739.A11130@sistina.com> Message-ID: <003001c08d4a$6d95bd00$4a995ea0@umn.edu> actually the reason I was asking is because I found 2 and I heard that they can be programmed so does anyone know where I can find some information on how I can do this?? ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Hudak To: Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 7:27 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] was it OmniKey? ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ From andyzb at ltiflex.com Fri Feb 2 11:05:04 2001 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LILO issues References: <200101311756.LAA09751@mail.swdata.com> Message-ID: <3A7AE8C0.4881109@ltiflex.com> fertch@mninter.net wrote: > > > Well, what hard drive is set as the boot device? You want LILO on this > > device, not the device where you installed Linux. (IE, if you installed > > Linux on hdb1, you want lilo to be installed on hda.) > > Where do I designate this when dealing with multiple drives? /etc/lilo.conf # Boot Device boot=/dev/hda # Root Device root=/dev/hda1 The boot device is the first hard drive (hard drive 0) Usually this is hda. You can change this in your computers BIOS. For mine I can set any of the four ide devices, or scsi as my first boot device. You also have to tell your SCSI card what device to boot from, Press Ctrl+A when your SCSI card bios displays. > I tried different partitions to help distribute the load: /var on /dev/sda2, > swap on /sda1, /home on /dev/hdb1, and so on. I wasn't sure if this was causing > the boot problems or not. Is there a problem with having a partition setup like > this? Nope. > Will have to check more on this later. I thought that the scsi drivers were > loading. Slackware asked me which kernel I wanted to use to boot. I told it to > use the boot disk (with scsi card modules on it: aic7xxx.s). Thought that might > have done it. I also said for it to load the scsi things on setup. When > looking at the fstab file, I noticed that my floppy, cd-rom, and scsi HDD > weren't listed in there. Probally a sign that something failed. If you're booting from the SCSI hd you WILL need to have the scsi drivers compiled into the kernel. If you're not booting from SCSI, you should be able to get away with modules. Personally I'd just compile it in. I've had some issues with the aic7xxx series, but eventually I got it working and things fly. If you need to check on your scsi drivers, go to /proc/scsi/. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Click or > soft-touch? > > http://www.mn-linux.org/polls/keyboard.php > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From ghettobretto at hotmail.com Fri Feb 2 11:59:01 2001 From: ghettobretto at hotmail.com (Brett Astleford) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cron and php Message-ID: can you run a php script in a cron table? I more or less want to rotate a log that a php script creates... TIA Brett Astleford Platinum Design Group From thudak at sistina.com Fri Feb 2 11:34:00 2001 From: thudak at sistina.com (Tom Hudak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] was it OmniKey? In-Reply-To: <3A79FBC3.8D4C810@usfamily.net>; from drew@usfamily.net on Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 06:13:55PM -0600 References: <3A79FBC3.8D4C810@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <20010202113400.B29161@cesium.sistina.com> On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 06:13:55PM -0600, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: >I remember that there was a heated discussion about keyboards a while ago. Some >one was saying that there are these great keyboards I think they were Omnikey >that everyone was said because they were not made any more. Was that the >keyboard everone was mentioning? I found the the site which sells some old omnikey's by northgate, as well as the new avant series (identical to the omnikeyUltra that I have.) as well as an omnikey in the "natural" configuration. All I have to say is I'm buying one today. (You can even get it with a touchpad should you want your keyboard for your lappy w/o needing another mouse.) http://www.lueckdatasystems.com/hardware/omnikey/evolution.html <-- check this beast out. C-ya > > > >------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Thomas J. Hudak Systems Administrator Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com Phone: 612.379.3951 Page: 612.318.1967 Fax: 612.379.3952 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010202/9418b7f8/attachment.pgp From thudak at sistina.com Fri Feb 2 11:44:50 2001 From: thudak at sistina.com (Tom Hudak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] was it OmniKey? In-Reply-To: <003001c08d4a$6d95bd00$4a995ea0@umn.edu>; from drew@usfamily.net on Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 11:00:36AM -0800 References: <3A79FBC3.8D4C810@usfamily.net> <20010202092739.A11130@sistina.com> <003001c08d4a$6d95bd00$4a995ea0@umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010202114450.C29161@cesium.sistina.com> On Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 11:00:36AM -0800, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: >actually the reason I was asking is because I found 2 and I heard that they >can be programmed so does anyone know where I can find some information on >how I can do this?? Yes they can be, if you have the manuals to tell you how, otherwise just modify the keymappings in NT or *nix as there is only a 3.x/9x compatible software program to make it easy. You can "program" any keyboard, but these can store they're settings, so you'd almost make a keymap, *upload* it, and set the keymap back to default, the kb will take care of the rest. (I believe that's how it works, I don't know how you'd go about uploading your settings though.) > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Tom Hudak >To: >Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 7:27 AM >Subject: Re: [TCLUG] was it OmniKey? > > > > > >------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Thomas J. Hudak Systems Administrator Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com Phone: 612.379.3951 Page: 612.318.1967 Fax: 612.379.3952 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I really don't want to suck down the whole thing again. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Fri Feb 2 13:01:40 2001 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cron and php In-Reply-To: ; from ghettobretto@hotmail.com on Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 11:59:01AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20010202130140.E80287@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Why write it in php? Just write a script in shell or perl and then run it from cron. Gabe On Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 11:59:01AM -0600, Brett Astleford wrote: > can you run a php script in a cron table? I more or less want to rotate a > log that a php script creates... > > TIA > > Brett Astleford > Platinum Design Group > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "No sir, I don't like it!" - Mr. Horse in "Fire Dogs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From clay at fandre.com Fri Feb 2 13:02:12 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cron and php References: Message-ID: <3A7B0434.34F82AA6@fandre.com> Brett Astleford wrote: > > can you run a php script in a cron table? I more or less want to rotate a > log that a php script creates... > I usually use lynx to access the php script via http and put it into cron. From thudak at sistina.com Fri Feb 2 13:52:27 2001 From: thudak at sistina.com (Tom Hudak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rsync is confusing me In-Reply-To: <20010202123242.U17934@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 12:32:42PM -0600 References: <20010202123242.U17934@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010202135227.E29161@cesium.sistina.com> On Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 12:32:42PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: >First, the background. Redhat made some whacky changes to thier directory >structure AFTER I had successfully mirrored the old structure. > >Second, I use rsync. What rsync options are you using? there should be some options for deleting old files, excluding certain patterns etc. > >So, I looked at where RH moved the directories and did the following: > ># cd /path/to/old ># tar -cf - . | (cd /path/to/new; tar -xf -) > >This is just a fancy "mv" command that is much faster. > >Anyways when I ran rsync, it thinks /path/to/new is "different" and proceeded >to leech everything from RH's main mirror. Bandwidth burn! What do you mean it thinks the /path/to/new is "different"? How is it different, this may have something to do with the rsync options used. > >So, > ># cd /path/to/ ># mv old /path/to/new >< crunch crunch > > >Rsync again. Same thing. > >Any ideas? I really don't want to suck down the whole thing again. > >-- >Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 >http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 >Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list Happy hacking, -- Thomas J. Hudak Systems Administrator Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com Phone: 612.379.3951 Page: 612.318.1967 Fax: 612.379.3952 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Chris _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From thudak at sistina.com Fri Feb 2 13:54:50 2001 From: thudak at sistina.com (Tom Hudak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cron and php In-Reply-To: ; from ghettobretto@hotmail.com on Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 11:59:01AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20010202135450.F29161@cesium.sistina.com> On Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 11:59:01AM -0600, Brett Astleford wrote: >can you run a php script in a cron table? I more or less want to rotate a >log that a php script creates... That's exactly what logrotate is for. Do a search on freshmeat, or apt-get if your using debian. > >TIA > >Brett Astleford >Platinum Design Group >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Thomas J. Hudak Systems Administrator Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com Phone: 612.379.3951 Page: 612.318.1967 Fax: 612.379.3952 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010202/a3513cd0/attachment.pgp From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Fri Feb 2 13:23:17 2001 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] was it OmniKey? In-Reply-To: <20010202114450.C29161@cesium.sistina.com>; from thudak@sistina.com on Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 11:44:50AM -0600 References: <3A79FBC3.8D4C810@usfamily.net> <20010202092739.A11130@sistina.com> <003001c08d4a$6d95bd00$4a995ea0@umn.edu> <20010202114450.C29161@cesium.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010202132317.G80287@sorry.cs.umn.edu> > Yes they can be, if you have the manuals to tell you how, otherwise just > modify the keymappings in NT or *nix as there is only a 3.x/9x compatible > software program to make it easy. You can "program" any keyboard, but these > can store they're settings, so you'd almost make a keymap, *upload* it, and > set the keymap back to default, the kb will take care of the rest. (I believe > that's how it works, I don't know how you'd go about uploading your settings > though.) Actually, weren't the original Omnikeys programmable via a little set of 6 or so dip-switches that were concealed under the Omnikey logo? I work with a guy who's Omnikey is like that. It's got to be at least 10 years old. Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "No sir, I don't like it!" - Mr. Horse in "Fire Dogs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From andy at theasis.com Fri Feb 2 14:25:15 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rsync is confusing me In-Reply-To: <20010202123242.U17934@real-time.com> Message-ID: > First, the background. Redhat made some whacky changes to thier directory > structure AFTER I had successfully mirrored the old structure. > > Second, I use rsync. It's not clear how you're using rsync in here. I gather you're trying to do 2 operations: - rearrange your local dir stuff to match redhat's - rsync remaining stuff from RH to your rearranged localdir right? What's the rsync command that apparently puts stuff in the wrong spot? Andy BTW, You can also use rsync to do your "fancy move". > So, I looked at where RH moved the directories and did the following: > > # cd /path/to/old > # tar -cf - . | (cd /path/to/new; tar -xf -) > > This is just a fancy "mv" command that is much faster. > > Anyways when I ran rsync, it thinks /path/to/new is "different" and proceeded > to leech everything from RH's main mirror. Bandwidth burn! > > So, > > # cd /path/to/ > # mv old /path/to/new > < crunch crunch > > > Rsync again. Same thing. > > Any ideas? I really don't want to suck down the whole thing again. > > From drew at usfamily.net Fri Feb 2 15:07:23 2001 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] was it OmniKey? References: <3A79FBC3.8D4C810@usfamily.net> <20010202092739.A11130@sistina.com> <3A7AE3DA.392BD3C9@fandre.com> Message-ID: <3A7B218B.C79DAA1C@usfamily.net> I have this NMB keboard that is a soft touch but its also a soft click. It makes the clicking noise and has the clicking feel when you hit the keys however at the same time its a soft touch. I would say that this is the best keyboard I've had so far. Clay Fandre wrote: > Tom Hudak wrote: > > > > Not to mention it's a clicker, my personal favorite. (I can't stand the damn soft touch kb's anymore.) > > OK. I'm curious. What do you guys prefer for a keyboard? Click or > soft-touch? > > http://www.mn-linux.org/polls/keyboard.php > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ From thudak at sistina.com Fri Feb 2 15:02:55 2001 From: thudak at sistina.com (Tom Hudak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] was it OmniKey? In-Reply-To: <20010202132317.G80287@sorry.cs.umn.edu>; from dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu on Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 01:23:17PM -0600 References: <3A79FBC3.8D4C810@usfamily.net> <20010202092739.A11130@sistina.com> <003001c08d4a$6d95bd00$4a995ea0@umn.edu> <20010202114450.C29161@cesium.sistina.com> <20010202132317.G80287@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010202150255.A517@cesium.sistina.com> On Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 01:23:17PM -0600, dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: >> Yes they can be, if you have the manuals to tell you how, otherwise just >> modify the keymappings in NT or *nix as there is only a 3.x/9x compatible >> software program to make it easy. You can "program" any keyboard, but these >> can store they're settings, so you'd almost make a keymap, *upload* it, and >> set the keymap back to default, the kb will take care of the rest. (I believe >> that's how it works, I don't know how you'd go about uploading your settings >> though.) > >Actually, weren't the original Omnikeys programmable via a little set of 6 >or so dip-switches that were concealed under the Omnikey logo? I work with >a guy who's Omnikey is like that. It's got to be at least 10 years old. Yes, the ultra's dip switches are on the back next to the ctrl-alt-delete button. > >Gabe > >-- >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Gabe Turner | X-President, >UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery >U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta >Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > >"No sir, I don't like it!" - Mr. Horse in "Fire Dogs" >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Thomas J. Hudak Systems Administrator Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com Phone: 612.379.3951 Page: 612.318.1967 Fax: 612.379.3952 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Tom Hudak wrote: > On Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 11:00:36AM -0800, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > >actually the reason I was asking is because I found 2 and I heard that they > >can be programmed so does anyone know where I can find some information on > >how I can do this?? > Yes they can be, if you have the manuals to tell you how, otherwise just > modify the keymappings in NT or *nix as there is only a 3.x/9x compatible > software program to make it easy. You can "program" any keyboard, but these > can store they're settings, so you'd almost make a keymap, *upload* it, and > set the keymap back to default, the kb will take care of the rest. (I believe > that's how it works, I don't know how you'd go about uploading your settings > though.) > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Tom Hudak > >To: > >Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 7:27 AM > >Subject: Re: [TCLUG] was it OmniKey? > > > > > > > > > > > >------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ > > > >_______________________________________________ > >tclug-list mailing list > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- > Thomas J. Hudak > Systems Administrator > Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com > Phone: 612.379.3951 Page: 612.318.1967 > Fax: 612.379.3952 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ From natecars at real-time.com Fri Feb 2 15:11:04 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Equipment for sale In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, Chris Opp wrote: > Hello, I have some Sparc 5, Sparc 20, and a Ultra 170E. Oh yeah and an Ultra > 30... If anyone is interested shoot me an email cop7586@hotmail.com or call > me at 651 687 9435 ext 22. Plus I have lots of SCSI disks and extra Sun > memory lying around. Can you give me specs on each of the boxen? What size disks do you have available? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From tobytoo at black-hole.com Fri Feb 2 17:30:12 2001 From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (b. toberman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Click or ST:was OmniKey? References: <3A79FBC3.8D4C810@usfamily.net> <20010202092739.A11130@sistina.com> <3A7AE3DA.392BD3C9@fandre.com> Message-ID: <3A7B4304.BD425093@black-hole.com> I much prefer a clicker, I learned to type, not " keyboard" and I learned on an ols IBM SelectricII, and at home used a Montgomery Wards manual. I'm always getting looks of disgust at work because of the way I hammer on the keyboard, unless it makes a sound I don't trust it to have been struck. Clay Fandre wrote: > Tom Hudak wrote: > > > > Not to mention it's a clicker, my personal favorite. (I can't stand the damn soft touch kb's anymore.) > > OK. I'm curious. What do you guys prefer for a keyboard? Click or > soft-touch? > > http://www.mn-linux.org/polls/keyboard.php > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From drew at usfamily.net Fri Feb 2 17:56:57 2001 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Click or ST:was OmniKey? References: <3A79FBC3.8D4C810@usfamily.net> <20010202092739.A11130@sistina.com> <3A7AE3DA.392BD3C9@fandre.com> <3A7B4304.BD425093@black-hole.com> Message-ID: <3A7B4949.587DFC91@usfamily.net> So does anyone know how to use these dip switches or what the big orange button does?? "b. toberman" wrote: > I much prefer a clicker, I learned to type, not " keyboard" and I learned on an ols IBM SelectricII, and at > home used a Montgomery Wards manual. I'm always getting looks of disgust at work because of the way I hammer > on the keyboard, unless it makes a sound I don't trust it to have been struck. > > Clay Fandre wrote: > > > Tom Hudak wrote: > > > > > > Not to mention it's a clicker, my personal favorite. (I can't stand the damn soft touch kb's anymore.) > > > > OK. I'm curious. What do you guys prefer for a keyboard? Click or > > soft-touch? > > > > http://www.mn-linux.org/polls/keyboard.php > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ From thudak at sistina.com Fri Feb 2 18:03:52 2001 From: thudak at sistina.com (Tom Hudak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Click or ST:was OmniKey? In-Reply-To: <3A7B4949.587DFC91@usfamily.net>; from drew@usfamily.net on Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 05:56:57PM -0600 References: <3A79FBC3.8D4C810@usfamily.net> <20010202092739.A11130@sistina.com> <3A7AE3DA.392BD3C9@fandre.com> <3A7B4304.BD425093@black-hole.com> <3A7B4949.587DFC91@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <20010202180352.A1363@cesium.sistina.com> On Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 05:56:57PM -0600, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: >So does anyone know how to use these dip switches or what the big orange button does?? No to the dip switches although I did see a site a while back that had the descriptions of each one. The big orange button I'm presuming is similar to my little black button, which acts as a ctrl-alt-del hot key. (I don't know if that's programmeable or not.) > > > >"b. toberman" wrote: > >> I much prefer a clicker, I learned to type, not " keyboard" and I learned on an ols IBM SelectricII, and at >> home used a Montgomery Wards manual. I'm always getting looks of disgust at work because of the way I hammer >> on the keyboard, unless it makes a sound I don't trust it to have been struck. >> >> Clay Fandre wrote: >> >> > Tom Hudak wrote: >> > > >> > > Not to mention it's a clicker, my personal favorite. (I can't stand the damn soft touch kb's anymore.) >> > >> > OK. I'm curious. What do you guys prefer for a keyboard? Click or >> > soft-touch? >> > >> > http://www.mn-linux.org/polls/keyboard.php >> > _______________________________________________ >> > tclug-list mailing list >> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> tclug-list mailing list >> tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > >------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Thomas J. Hudak Systems Administrator Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com Phone: 612.379.3951 Page: 612.318.1967 Fax: 612.379.3952 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010202/4bbfb336/attachment.pgp From jethro at freakzilla.com Sat Feb 3 02:00:23 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ? Message-ID: Hi, Ok, I've seen NOTHING from the list in days. At all. My network was down for a while so I may have been kicked off, but I did resubscribe a while ago, got a confirmation and still nothing! Argh. So I'll check if this shows up on the archive. Ack! I missed an OmniKey thread!!! -Yaron -- From tanner at real-time.com Sat Feb 3 02:25:11 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ? In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Sat, Feb 03, 2001 at 02:00:23AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20010203022511.B23692@real-time.com> Quoting Yaron (jethro@freakzilla.com): > Hi, > > Ok, I've seen NOTHING from the list in days. At all. My network was down > for a while so I may have been kicked off, but I did resubscribe a while > ago, got a confirmation and still nothing! Argh. So I'll check if this > shows up on the archive. > > Ack! I missed an OmniKey thread!!! You got kicked because of bounced emails. dig freakzilla.com mx ; <<>> DiG 8.2 <<>> freakzilla.com mx ;; res options: init recurs defnam dnsrch ;; got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 4 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUERY SECTION: ;; freakzilla.com, type = MX, class = IN ;; ANSWER SECTION: freakzilla.com. 47m38s IN MX 0 yaron.org. Get another backup MX host (or 2 or 3 or 5) and it won't happen. Real Time offers free MX for it's clients. Just send email to support saying what domains you want backup MX for and the IP address/FQDN of the primary MX. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jethro at freakzilla.com Sat Feb 3 02:46:54 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ? In-Reply-To: <20010203022511.B23692@real-time.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Sat, 3 Feb 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > You got kicked because of bounced emails. I know, but I wasn't getting anything after resubbing... obviously I resubscribed during Quiet Time (; > Get another backup MX host (or 2 or 3 or 5) and it won't happen. > Real Time offers free MX for it's clients. Just send email to support saying > what domains you want backup MX for and the IP address/FQDN of the primary MX. That'd be great - now if only I could get InterNIC to modify my domain information so I have a secondary DNS that actually WORKS. They insist that I'm using MAIL-FROM (even though I _know_ I've switched to CRYPT-PW!). Then they insist I need to email them from internic@yaron.org, which I _am_... I hope they'll sort themselves out by Monday. -Yaron -- From clay at fandre.com Sat Feb 3 07:56:02 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Mid-month meeting anyone??? Message-ID: <3A7C0DF2.9F0C7830@fandre.com> We are trying to decide if there is enough interest in a mid-month TCLUG meeting. We would hold it during a weeknight sometime during the 3rd week of the month. Please take a second to vote using the TCLUG webpoll below: http://www.mn-linux.org/polls/midmonthmeeting.php Thanks. Clay _______________________________________________ tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu Sat Feb 3 09:23:20 2001 From: lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu (Ben Luey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] xfree 4.0 and riva128 (nv) and bpp16 Message-ID: I just got Xfree86-4.0.1 (mandrake 7.2) working on my machine. I've got a Diamon Viper 330 which uses the Riva128 chipset. When I start X I get: (EE) NV(0): The Riva 128 chipset does not support depth 16. Using depth 15 instead (**) NV(0): Depth 15, (--) framebuffer bpp 16 And I use bpp15 which messes up gnomes gradient, word perfect and some other stuff. The NV drivers say that it doesn't suport bpp16 with riva128 -- is there a way around this, or a new driver? Thanks, Ben From lxy at cloudnet.com Sat Feb 3 11:49:58 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Anyone here use uCLinux? Message-ID: I've got a Cisco Router 2501 as a hobby router and the IOS is version 11.1. I'm running into quite a few problem, namely setting up DHCP, NAT, and dial on demand. I'm considering installing UCLinux on it instead. Has anyone here attempted this? I'm really interested to find out if anyone has done it or not. Basically what I want to do is set it up kinda like a LRP router but I don't the think the IOS is going to have the features I want. Anyone have any thoughts? Upgrading the IOS is so expensive I'd rather not do it. -Brian From sraun at fireopal.org Sat Feb 3 13:40:36 2001 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A Mail Problem Message-ID: <20010203134036.A406@iaxs.net> I'm running Debian, exim, and mutt. I want to forward mail to another address, sraun@domain.net. Every time I try, the mail gets sent to sraun@fireopal.org - my local address, not my remote address. Anyone have any suggestions? I have this feeling I'm missing something really obvious, but I haven't the faintest idea where to _start_ on this one. -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From andyzib at ringworld.org Sat Feb 3 16:34:06 2001 From: andyzib at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A Mail Problem References: <20010203134036.A406@iaxs.net> Message-ID: <3A7C875E.364373D7@ringworld.org> Well, you could setup a .forward. On the machine reciving mail: \username, "|/usr/lib/sendmail username@host.com" Or you could setup a procmail rule. :0c: #Carbon Copy to bzcat and append to mail Archive | /usr/lib/sendmail username@host.com -- | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | | This message is protected by double ROT13 | | encryption. Any attempt to circumvent the | | digital protection is banned by the DMCA. | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: andyzib.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 2268 bytes Desc: Card for Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010203/90d36c77/andyzib.vcf From houle at citilink.com Sat Feb 3 16:55:29 2001 From: houle at citilink.com (Terry Houle) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HSP Presentation at Twin Cities PC Users Group Message-ID: The Twin Cities PC Users Group will host Ubiquio at their February General Meeting. The meeting is free and open to the public. When: Tuesday February 13, 2001 Where: Bloomington Eagles 3208 9152 Old Shakopee Road (Old Cedar Ave & Old Shakopee Rd) Bloomington, MN Time: 7:00- ~9:00 PM Cost: Free More info: TCPC 24/7 line 952-883-0471 http:www.tcpc.com Description: Ubiquio manages fleets of handheld computing devices for business customers. As a leading handheld service provider (HSP), the company provides a suite of managed services that enable business customers to take control of the costs and support of these tools. ?Ubiquio services are available for non-wireless and wireless devices. ?They support both the Palm and Pocket PC operating systems. ?Ubiquio can assist organizations with device deployment from device provisioning to life cycle support. At the next Twin Cities PC User Group Meeting Ubiquio will cover the following: Considerations for a handheld deployment Comparison of devices and operating systems Demonstration of middleware capabilities Ubiquio 3030 Harbor Lane North Plymouth, MN ?55447 763-268-3222 Terry Houle President Twin Cities PC Users Group Phone 952-835-9994 Email: terry@tcpc.com http://www.tcpc.com From sraun at fireopal.org Sat Feb 3 18:38:40 2001 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A Mail Problem In-Reply-To: <3A7C875E.364373D7@ringworld.org>; from andyzib@ringworld.org on Sat, Feb 03, 2001 at 04:34:06PM -0600 References: <20010203134036.A406@iaxs.net> <3A7C875E.364373D7@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010203183840.B1087@iaxs.net> On Sat, Feb 03, 2001 at 04:34:06PM -0600, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > Well, you could setup a .forward. > > On the machine reciving mail: > \username, "|/usr/lib/sendmail username@host.com" > > Or you could setup a procmail rule. > > :0c: > #Carbon Copy to bzcat and append to mail Archive > | /usr/lib/sendmail username@host.com I'm not certain how this solves my problem? If mail that I create with the address of "user@host.com" gets delivered to "user@here.com", won't those solutions both tend to create an infinite loop? A friend found my problem - I had a mis-statement in exim.conf. -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From tanner at real-time.com Sat Feb 3 19:20:28 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SMTP AUTH Presentation online Message-ID: <20010203192028.B32440@real-time.com> The SMTP AUTH is online: http://www.mn-linux.org/members/tanner/ First, I'd like to reminder everyone, that if you do a presentation, you can get a free members area on the TCLUG web site. Second, this was done using Star Office 5.2, I wanted to see what it looked like in 5.1 and the fronts are screwed up, so best viewed with 5.2 Third, The PDF is made with ps2pdf and it horks some page layouts :-(, I'll use Acrobat distiller on Monday to get it right. Fourth, the HTML link is a tar.gz file of the whole thing in HTML Fifth, Star Office has a niffy presentation to html thingie, so you can view the presentation online if you want. Thanks. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From Webmaster at briggsville.com Sat Feb 3 21:14:01 2001 From: Webmaster at briggsville.com (Doug Hamlin) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My Linux newsletter Message-ID: <002501c08e59$2f6a40e0$fd00a8c0@lakes.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi everybody (said doctor nick), I'm starting up an email newsletter about Linux. This newsletter will be targeted mainly towards newbies. It's called "The Null Device," catchy, eh? Anyway, it will consist of a report at the top of every issue where I will give my view on current Linux/Open source/Internet news. This will be followed by software reviews in each issue. I hope to send out the first letter within the next two weeks. So, if you'd like to subscribe just send email to: thenulldevice-subscribe@topica.com or by visiting: http://www.topica.com/lists/thenulldevice Thanks, and I look forward to writing for you ;-) luvyameanitmmmbuhbye doug - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.226 / Virus Database: 108 - Release Date: 1/5/01 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOnzI9oxCF6UYYlbaEQKneACg8lMiV72bF6T8yqW7qHUrwXG3OjwAoJPv zP4LTDnvvOFca0v2j4DLEHt9 =y/LL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cschumann at twp-llc.com Sat Feb 3 22:50:43 2001 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: WTB >=2.1GB IDE disk Message-ID: I was given an old P166, and tried to give it to my sister, but apparently the hard drive was too cold from sitting in the car all night... and I started it up, and it began to boot, and then the hard disk failed. So... I need a smallish IDE drive, at least 2.1GB capacity, standard 3.5" size. I'm willing to pick up in the metro area and will pay cash. Please send me your offers. Thanks, Chris Schumann From austad at marketwatch.com Sat Feb 3 23:13:44 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Anyone here use uCLinux? Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1093E6@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Before wiping the IOS on it, do a: show me the money One of the 11. releases gave a funny response when you type that in. :) Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian [mailto:lxy@cloudnet.com] > Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 11:50 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Anyone here use uCLinux? > > > I've got a Cisco Router 2501 as a hobby router and the IOS is version > 11.1. I'm running into quite a few problem, namely setting > up DHCP, NAT, > and dial on demand. I'm considering installing UCLinux on it instead. > Has anyone here attempted this? I'm really interested to find out if > anyone has done it or not. Basically what I want to do is > set it up kinda > like a LRP router but I don't the think the IOS is going to have the > features I want. Anyone have any thoughts? Upgrading the IOS is so > expensive I'd rather not do it. > > -Brian > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Sat Feb 3 23:48:01 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: WTB >=2.1GB IDE disk Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1093E9@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Since he's looking for one, I figured this would be a good time to ask also. If anyone has a 3.2GB Quantum Fireball with a good circuit board on it, please consider selling it to me. I have one with a fried circuit board, and I have some data on it that I really really need. Thanks. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Schumann [mailto:cschumann@twp-llc.com] > Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 10:51 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] OT: WTB >=2.1GB IDE disk > > > I was given an old P166, and tried to give it to my sister, but > apparently the hard drive was too cold from sitting in the car > all night... and I started it up, and it began to boot, and then > the hard disk failed. So... > > I need a smallish IDE drive, at least 2.1GB capacity, > standard 3.5" size. > > I'm willing to pick up in the metro area and will pay cash. > > Please send me your offers. > > Thanks, > Chris Schumann > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jamie at getsetnet.net Sun Feb 4 12:05:14 2001 From: jamie at getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Going POSTAL (Mailman prob) Message-ID: <00ba01c08ed5$182ffbf0$991ea8c0@digitalriver.com> I am having problems installing Mailman. I downloaded it and followed the directions for compiling it, but when I run bin/check_perms from the install directory, I get the following results: [root@floyd mailman-1.1]# bin/check_perms -f Traceback (innermost last): File "bin/check_perms", line 19, in ? import paths I went through google looking for this error, but cannot find anyone who has posted an answer to this, and I am at a dead end. Specifics: python 1.5.2-13 Red Hat 6.2 apache 1.3.12-2 sendmail 8.9.3-20 Any ideas? Thx, - Jamie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010204/7482cd84/attachment.html From clay at fandre.com Sun Feb 4 11:43:34 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Post Meeting Announcements Message-ID: <3A7D94C6.A74D8D@fandre.com> The TCLUG meeting went really well yesterday. We packed the room with over 35 members that made it to listen to Bob's presentation about Sendmail/SMTP Authentication. (Thanks Bob!!!) If you missed it, the presentation can be found online at: http://www.mn-linux.org/members/tanner/ Since Bob talk took up most of the meeting we didn't discuss anything else except for a short Q-n-A session at the end. Next month we will be holding an installfest at Benchmark. Check the events calendar for other events that might be happening around the area. http://www.mn-linux.org/events/ Clay _______________________________________________ tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From blutgens at sistina.com Sun Feb 4 13:12:57 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Going POSTAL (Mailman prob) In-Reply-To: <00ba01c08ed5$182ffbf0$991ea8c0@digitalriver.com>; from jamie@getsetnet.net on Sun, Feb 04, 2001 at 12:05:14PM -0600 References: <00ba01c08ed5$182ffbf0$991ea8c0@digitalriver.com> Message-ID: <20010204131257.B35299@minime.sistina.com> On Sun, Feb 04, 2001 at 12:05:14PM -0600, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: perhaps mailman knows you're using html in you mails and is rebelling against you in a preemptive strike. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010204/c06fdc69/attachment.pgp From jamie at getsetnet.net Sun Feb 4 15:36:34 2001 From: jamie at getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WooHoo! No HTML TAGS! [was mailman] Message-ID: Here is the same question without HTML tags: I am trying to install mailman on my server. I downloaded it and followed the directions for compiling it, but when I run bin/check_perms from the install directory, I get the following results: [root@floyd mailman-1.1]# bin/check_perms -f Traceback (innermost last): File "bin/check_perms", line 19, in ? import paths I went through google looking for this error, but cannot find anyone who has posted an answer to this, and I am at a dead end. Specifics: python 1.5.2-13 Red Hat 6.2 apache 1.3.12-2 sendmail 8.9.3-20 Any ideas? Thx, - Jamie -- "It is a mistake to let any mechanical object realise that you are in a hurry." --Ralph From blutgens at sistina.com Sun Feb 4 17:25:37 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WooHoo! No HTML TAGS! [was mailman] In-Reply-To: ; from jamie@getsetnet.net on Sun, Feb 04, 2001 at 03:36:34PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20010204172537.A36414@minime.sistina.com> On Sun, Feb 04, 2001 at 03:36:34PM -0600, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > > > Here is the same question without HTML tags: > > > I am trying to install mailman on my server. > I downloaded it and followed the directions for compiling it, but >when I run bin/check_perms from the install directory, I get the following >results: > > >[root@floyd mailman-1.1]# bin/check_perms -f >Traceback (innermost last): > File "bin/check_perms", line 19, in ? > import paths Not being python inclined, I'd say that something may not be installed right. Make sure you installed all the python requirements. Can you run newlist? if so can you make a newlist and get it to route mail? > >I went through google looking for this error, but cannot find anyone >who has posted an answer to this, and I am at a dead end. > > Specifics: > python 1.5.2-13 > Red Hat 6.2 > apache 1.3.12-2 > sendmail 8.9.3-20 > > > Any ideas? Thx, > > - Jamie > > >-- > "It is a mistake to let any mechanical object realise that you are in a >hurry." --Ralph > > > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010204/efbb765a/attachment.pgp From djx at mediaone.net Sun Feb 4 19:19:33 2001 From: djx at mediaone.net (d.j. callais) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] D-Link Cards Message-ID: <3A7DFFA5.12DE795A@mediaone.net> Does anyone have any experience installing the D-Link DFE 530TX+ network card? I am running RH 7.0 and trying to use the recommended driver rtl8139 and having no luck at all. Thanks D.J. From ben at nerp.net Sun Feb 4 19:31:50 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] D-Link Cards In-Reply-To: <3A7DFFA5.12DE795A@mediaone.net> Message-ID: odd, try ne2k-pci or tulip.. post the output of dmesg Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Sun, 4 Feb 2001, d.j. callais wrote: > Does anyone have any experience installing the D-Link DFE 530TX+ network > card? I am running RH 7.0 and trying to use the recommended driver > rtl8139 and having no luck at all. > > Thanks > D.J. > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From andyzib at ringworld.org Sun Feb 4 19:55:08 2001 From: andyzib at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] D-Link Cards References: <3A7DFFA5.12DE795A@mediaone.net> Message-ID: <3A7E07FC.93DFDCD3@ringworld.org> NIC's and Video cards tend to be picky about not sharing IRQs. That could be one thing to check. ( lspci ) How are you installing the module? modprobe? insmod? linuxconf? (bad icky nasty, but that's just MHO, I like my config files thank you.) Check the documentation for the card in /usr/src/linux/Documentation (if you compiled your own kernel) You may have to give the module an argument or two. -- | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | | This message is protected by double ROT13 | | encryption. Any attempt to circumvent the | | digital protection is banned by the DMCA. | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: andyzib.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 2268 bytes Desc: Card for Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010204/fc6316ef/andyzib.vcf From dkleist at acm.org Sun Feb 4 20:20:17 2001 From: dkleist at acm.org (Dave Kleist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] D-Link Cards In-Reply-To: <3A7DFFA5.12DE795A@mediaone.net>; from djx@mediaone.net on Sun, Feb 04, 2001 at 19:19:33 -0600 References: <3A7DFFA5.12DE795A@mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20010204202017.I9578@coder> I installed one on a SuSE 6.3 box. I seem to recall that I had to go out and find the new driver from the website (don't have the URL offhand, the cesdis nasa gov site thingie). It didn't much like me either. I don't remember exactly what I did to get it to work, but at a minimum, I recompiled from source. - Dave On 2001.02.04 19:19:33 -0600 d.j. callais wrote: > Does anyone have any experience installing the D-Link DFE 530TX+ > network > card? I am running RH 7.0 and trying to use the recommended driver > rtl8139 and having no luck at all. > -- Dave Kleist dkleist@acm.org "The covers of this book are too far apart." - Ambrose Bierce From teuobk at ringworld.org Sun Feb 4 20:19:58 2001 From: teuobk at ringworld.org (Jeff Keacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] D-Link Cards References: <3A7DFFA5.12DE795A@mediaone.net> <3A7E07FC.93DFDCD3@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <011801c08f1a$23795610$a9cd7089@emerald> I *think* that the 530TX+ uses the VIA Rhine chipset. (I know the 530TX does, but I'm not certain about the "+") Try using the via-rhine module with modprobe. Cheers, Jeff ----- Original Message ----- > NIC's and Video cards tend to be picky about not sharing IRQs. That could be > one thing to check. ( lspci ) > > How are you installing the module? modprobe? insmod? linuxconf? (bad icky > nasty, but that's just MHO, I like my config files thank you.) Check the > documentation for the card in /usr/src/linux/Documentation (if you compiled > your own kernel) You may have to give the module an argument or two. > > > -- > | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | > | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | > | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | > | This message is protected by double ROT13 | > | encryption. Any attempt to circumvent the | > | digital protection is banned by the DMCA. | From djx at mediaone.net Sun Feb 4 21:17:54 2001 From: djx at mediaone.net (d.j. callais) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] D-Link More info Message-ID: <3A7E1B62.A2B3743F@mediaone.net> The bios sees this card at io-0x6500 and irq-5. Dmesg IP-Config: No network devices available. This is no matter what driver I use. lspic reads 00:0a:00. Nothing else is is at this address. Is there any way to force the IRQ on a nic? I have a dual Intel card that gets detected just fine but is in conflict with either the video card or USB depending on which slot I put it in. Thanks From jpschewe at mtu.net Mon Feb 5 07:44:43 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] D-Link More info In-Reply-To: "d.j. callais"'s message of "Sun, 04 Feb 2001 21:17:54 -0600" References: <3A7E1B62.A2B3743F@mediaone.net> Message-ID: "d.j. callais" writes: > The bios sees this card at io-0x6500 and irq-5. Dmesg IP-Config: No > network devices available. This is no matter what driver I use. lspic > reads 00:0a:00. Nothing else is is at this address. Is there any way to > force the IRQ on a nic? I have a dual Intel card that gets detected just > fine but is in conflict with either the video card or USB depending on > which slot I put it in. Do you have a PnP BIOS? Try telling it you have a Non-PnP aware OS, then the BIOS should assign IRQs correctly. I've had real good luck with this, although I haven't tried a D-Link card. -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From seg at haxxed.com Mon Feb 5 10:35:14 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hmmm? Message-ID: <3A7ED642.2050507@haxxed.com> Haven't seen anything from this list in a few days. Is it really this dead or did I mess up my mail config again? ;P From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Feb 5 10:51:39 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] our debian mirror Message-ID: <20010205105139.A722@minime.sistina.com> Sheesh bob, 50 users max? What's up with that? Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/Packages USER failed, server said: Sorry, maximum number of allowed clients (50) already connected. Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/Release USER failed, server said: Sorry, maximum number of allowed clients (50) already connected. Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/debian/dists/unstable/contrib/binary-i386/Packages USER failed, server said: Sorry, maximum number of allowed clients (50) already connected. Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/debian/dists/unstable/contrib/binary-i386/Release USER failed, server said: Sorry, maximum number of allowed clients (50) already connected. Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/debian/dists/unstable/non-free/binary-i386/Packages USER failed, server said: Sorry, maximum number of allowed clients (50) already connected. Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/debian/dists/unstable/non-free/binary-i386/Release USER failed, server said: Sorry, maximum number of allowed clients (50) already connected. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) _.._..,_,_ ( ) ]~,"-.-~~[ .=])' (; ([ [ ]:: ' [ '=]): .) ([ |:: ' | ~~----~~ mmmm.....beer -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010205/cd284798/attachment.pgp From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Feb 5 11:17:55 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Weird IPCHAINS thinggie? Message-ID: Hi, Sorry about the uninformative $SUBJ... I was going through my system to make some firewall changes. Just about to change the firewall rules, when I looked in /etc/sysconfig and noticed a 151MB file named .firewall[lots of junk PINE can't handle].swp. It seems to be current and updating... looks legit, but I've never seen it before. Anyone? -Yaron -- From jsowers at osii.com Mon Feb 5 11:12:11 2001 From: jsowers at osii.com (Jason Sowers) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hmmm? In-Reply-To: <3A7ED642.2050507@haxxed.com> Message-ID: funny you should mention that. I haven't seen much either, and I got your message so that would lead me to believe that it works, you're mail config that is, and obviously mine works. ____________________________________ Jason Sowers Network Engineer Open Systems International 3600 Holly Lane North Suite 40 Minneapolis, MN 55447-1286 Phone: (763) 551-0559 Fax: (763) 551-1750 Email: jsowers@osii.com http: www.osii.com & www.e-scada.com -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Callum Lerwick Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 10:35 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Hmmm? Haven't seen anything from this list in a few days. Is it really this dead or did I mess up my mail config again? ;P _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Feb 5 11:47:41 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hmmm? In-Reply-To: <3A7ED642.2050507@haxxed.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Mon, 5 Feb 2001, Callum Lerwick wrote: > Haven't seen anything from this list in a few days. Is it really this > dead or did I mess up my mail config again? ;P Damnit, this question should be on the TCLUG FAQ! It gets asked on a weekly basis at least! -Yaron -- From clay at fandre.com Mon Feb 5 12:10:11 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hmmm? References: Message-ID: <3A7EEC83.1CDBF7A7@fandre.com> Jason Sowers wrote: > > funny you should mention that. I haven't seen much either, and I got your > message so that would lead me to believe that it works, you're mail config > that is, and obviously mine works. > Maybe Bob's talk confused everyone so much that they no longer know how to send email. Or else everyone tried to implement SMTP Auth yesterday and broke their mail servers. From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Feb 5 12:13:14 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hmmm? In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Mon, Feb 05, 2001 at 11:47:41AM -0600 References: <3A7ED642.2050507@haxxed.com> Message-ID: <20010205121314.C1291@minime.sistina.com> On Mon, Feb 05, 2001 at 11:47:41AM -0600, Yaron wrote: >Damnit, this question should be on the TCLUG FAQ! It gets asked on a >weekly basis at least! Perhaps someone should answer it. Obviously if the person is getting no mail from the list, they can't possibly know the question has been asked. Nor would they think to check the archives. > > >-Yaron > >-- > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) _.._..,_,_ ( ) ]~,"-.-~~[ .=])' (; ([ [ ]:: ' [ '=]): .) ([ |:: ' | ~~----~~ mmmm.....beer -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010205/06fa336e/attachment.pgp From foeclan at winternet.com Mon Feb 5 12:37:17 2001 From: foeclan at winternet.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hmmm? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 5 Feb 2001, Callum Lerwick wrote: > Haven't seen anything from this list in a few days. Is it really this > dead or did I mess up my mail config again? ;P Don't worry. We're just talking about you behind your back. ;) Michael Vieths Foeclan@Winternet.Com From ben at nerp.net Mon Feb 5 12:52:11 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hmmm? In-Reply-To: <3A7ED642.2050507@haxxed.com> Message-ID: heh.. maybe we should setup a syslog like --MARK-- email that goes out once an hour. ;) Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Mon, 5 Feb 2001, Callum Lerwick wrote: > Haven't seen anything from this list in a few days. Is it really this > dead or did I mess up my mail config again? ;P > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jsowers at osii.com Mon Feb 5 13:11:48 2001 From: jsowers at osii.com (Jason Sowers) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hmmm? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: you'll get over that ____________________________________ Jason Sowers Network Engineer Open Systems International 3600 Holly Lane North Suite 40 Minneapolis, MN 55447-1286 Phone: (763) 551-0559 Fax: (763) 551-1750 Email: jsowers@osii.com http: www.osii.com & www.e-scada.com -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Yaron Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 11:48 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Hmmm? Hi, On Mon, 5 Feb 2001, Callum Lerwick wrote: > Haven't seen anything from this list in a few days. Is it really this > dead or did I mess up my mail config again? ;P Damnit, this question should be on the TCLUG FAQ! It gets asked on a weekly basis at least! -Yaron -- _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Mon Feb 5 13:40:29 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hmmm? References: Message-ID: <3A7F01AD.391DBD2A@fandre.com> Ben Kochie wrote: > > heh.. maybe we should setup a syslog like --MARK-- email that goes out > once an hour. ;) > Yea, everyone add this to your crontab: 0 * * * * echo "--MARK--" | mail -s "MARK" tclug-list@mn-linux.org since we need to know EVERYONE is working, right? You wouldn't mind, would ya Bob? From jacque at fruitioninc.com Mon Feb 5 13:58:08 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting this Thursday! Message-ID: Hi All- This Thursday, February 5th, we'll be meeting at O'Gara's (in the BrewPub Part) in St. Paul. 6pm - 8pm or so. Apparently, they have got into the microbrew business. Address: 164 Snelling Ave N Saint Paul, MN 55104 Phone:(651) 644-3333 Map: http://www.mapquest.com/cgi-bin/ia_find?link=btwn%2Ftwn-map_results&random=5 20&event=find_search&uid=u2ma01b934h4keed%3A80dfbngur&SNVData=&address=164+S nelling+Ave+N&city=St+Paul&State=MN&Zip=&Find+Map.x=65&Find+Map.y=11 Hope to see you there! Jacque From jacque at fruitioninc.com Mon Feb 5 13:58:08 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beer Meeting this Thursday! Message-ID: Hi All- This Thursday, February 5th, we'll be meeting at O'Gara's (in the BrewPub Part) in St. Paul. 6pm - 8pm or so. Apparently, they have got into the microbrew business. Address: 164 Snelling Ave N Saint Paul, MN 55104 Phone:(651) 644-3333 Map: http://www.mapquest.com/cgi-bin/ia_find?link=btwn%2Ftwn-map_results&random=5 20&event=find_search&uid=u2ma01b934h4keed%3A80dfbngur&SNVData=&address=164+S nelling+Ave+N&city=St+Paul&State=MN&Zip=&Find+Map.x=65&Find+Map.y=11 Hope to see you there! Jacque _______________________________________________ tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From retterej at tcfreenet.org Mon Feb 5 14:53:56 2001 From: retterej at tcfreenet.org (James Alan Retterer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Moving Sale Message-ID: I apologize in advance for the "marketplace" post - but I wanted to try to sell locally first. I have the following items for sale: Sparc 5 (upgraded Sparc 2) 128Mb RAM, 4Gb HD, 17" monitor, key & mouse HD has Solaris 7 installed Sparc 2 - basically just case and motherboard Sparc 1 - basically just case and motherboard Apollo 19" Color Monitor - it's big and it's heavy (2) SGI IRIS 4D/60T (also very big an very heavy) presumed to still work, though not tested in years. Each with various drives and cards and such. Lots and lots of assorted old computer parts, floppy drives, hard drives, keyboards... All going, going, gone! I am moving to California at the end of the month, and wish to lighten my load - email me at retterej@tcfreenet.org if you have any interest in any of these. I am willing to accept any reasonable offers. Thanks, James 0111100101001100011000001110110101110000110000 1101010010001100100110010111110100010100010001 From veldy at veldy.net Mon Feb 5 15:14:46 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Moving Sale References: Message-ID: <005801c08fb8$ab1f17f0$3028680a@tgt.com> We all know that the real reason you are selling these is that you won't be able to afford to power them up in California :) Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Alan Retterer" To: Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 2:53 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Moving Sale > I apologize in advance for the "marketplace" post - but I wanted to try to > sell locally first. > > I have the following items for sale: > > Sparc 5 (upgraded Sparc 2) 128Mb RAM, 4Gb HD, 17" monitor, key & mouse > HD has Solaris 7 installed > > Sparc 2 - basically just case and motherboard > > Sparc 1 - basically just case and motherboard > > Apollo 19" Color Monitor - it's big and it's heavy > > (2) SGI IRIS 4D/60T (also very big an very heavy) presumed to still work, > though not tested in years. Each with various drives and cards and such. > > Lots and lots of assorted old computer parts, floppy drives, hard drives, > keyboards... All going, going, gone! > > I am moving to California at the end of the month, and wish to lighten my > load - email me at retterej@tcfreenet.org if you have any interest in > any of these. I am willing to accept any reasonable offers. > > Thanks, > James > > > > 0111100101001100011000001110110101110000110000 > 1101010010001100100110010111110100010100010001 > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From Larry.Cable at nwa.com Mon Feb 5 15:33:40 2001 From: Larry.Cable at nwa.com (Larry Cable) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] D-LINK cards Message-ID: <015101c08fbb$4eda4e80$3360488b@mn.nwa.com> I just received this from D-LINK as I was having trouble getting my card to work also. Hope this helps. LarryC D-Link Reference ID: TSE10205-125334 (This is NOT an RMA number. It is for e-mail response tracking purposes only.) Dear Valued Customer, Here is a list of the most common D-Link Adapters for which Linux has drivers developed. Adapter Drivers in Linux D-Link Adapter Linux Module Module Location __________________________________________________________________________ Desktop Adapters *.*.**-** = Kernel version (ie: 2.2.12-20) DE-220 ne.o lib/modules/*.*.**/net DE-528ct ne2k-pci.o lib/modules/*.*.**/net DFE-500tx tulip.o lib/modules/*.*.**/net DFE-530tx via-rhine.o lib/modules/*.*.**/net DFE-530tx+ rtl8139.o lib/modules/*.*.**/net DFE-538tx rtl8139.o lib/modules/*.*.**/net DFE-540tx tulip.o lib/modules/*.*.**/net __________________________________________________________________________ Portable Adapters *.*.**-** = Kernel version (ie: 2.2.12-20) DE-650 pcnet_cs.o lib/modules/*.*.**/pcmcia DFE-650 pcnet_cs.o lib/modules/*.*.**/pcmcia DFE-650tx pcmcia_cs.o lib/modules/*.*.**/pcmcia DFE-660tx tulip_cb.o lib/modules/*.*.**/pcmcia Note: (1)These modules are found on most newer distributions of Linux. (2) Most PCMCIA drivers are found in pcmcia_cs 3.1.24 which can be found at: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=2405 Thank you for your technical question and feedback. If you are continuing to have problems please contact our live support at 949-790-5290.or resubmit the problem at http://www.dlink.com/tech/contact/. Thank You, D-Link US Technical Support 949-790-5290 Note: D-Link receives a large volume of e-mail each day so please include ALL previous e-mail exchanges with D-Link Technical Support when sending replies. Thank you. To: ustech@dlink.com From: c15018@nwa.com cc: bcc: Subject: D-LINK DE-220PCT & RedHat Linux 7.0 Assigned: Hieu N. I'm having trouble getting the D-LINK DE-220PCT to initialize. I've got a dual boot system: WINNT and RedHat Linux 7.0. In WINNT the card is set to IO=240 and IRQ=11 plug&play disabled and it works fine. In Linux I have in /etc/modules.conf... alias eth0 nec2k-pci nec2k-pci io=240 irq=11 Upon booting in Linux I get insmod eth0 initialization failed. What needs to be done to fix this?? Thanks LarryC Larry.Cable@nwa.com >Message: 6 >Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 19:19:33 -0600 >From: "d.j. callais" >To: TCLUG >Subject: [TCLUG] D-Link Cards >Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >Does anyone have any experience installing the D-Link DFE 530TX+ network >card? I am running RH 7.0 and trying to use the recommended driver >rtl8139 and having no luck at all. > > >Thanks >D.J. > > From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu Mon Feb 5 16:24:59 2001 From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Moving Sale In-Reply-To: <005801c08fb8$ab1f17f0$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: All you need to do is to replace the current powersupply with a new hamster powersupply. The only problem is that it leaves droppings all over your mb. Has anyone ever considered alternitive energy for their computers. There was an attachment for my newton that would allow it to charge off a flexible solar pannel. Fuel cells replacing laptop batteries and so on... It could happen! Colin Kilbane From andyzib at ringworld.org Mon Feb 5 17:42:04 2001 From: andyzib at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Moving Sale References: Message-ID: <3A7F3A4C.914A4EC5@ringworld.org> My Uncle's boss always said he could use a computer if it was steam powered, and well, the engineers got together and did just that. -- | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | | This message is protected by double ROT13 | | encryption. Any attempt to circumvent the | | digital protection is banned by the DMCA. | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: andyzib.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 2268 bytes Desc: Card for Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010205/41ebf76f/andyzib.vcf From tanner at real-time.com Mon Feb 5 18:31:41 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Going POSTAL (Mailman prob) In-Reply-To: <00ba01c08ed5$182ffbf0$991ea8c0@digitalriver.com>; from jamie@getsetnet.net on Sun, Feb 04, 2001 at 12:05:14PM -0600 References: <00ba01c08ed5$182ffbf0$991ea8c0@digitalriver.com> Message-ID: <20010205183141.E7716@real-time.com> Quoting Jamie Ostrowski (jamie@getsetnet.net): > > I am having problems installing Mailman. > > I downloaded it and followed the directions for compiling it, but > when I run bin/check_perms from the install directory, I get the > following > results: > > > > [root@floyd mailman-1.1]# bin/check_perms -f > Traceback (innermost last): > File "bin/check_perms", line 19, in ? > import paths Make maiman-1.1? Upgrade to 2.0.1, then try it again. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jacque at fruitioninc.com Mon Feb 5 18:48:30 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beer Meeting this Thursday! In-Reply-To: <3A7F487E.87F222DB@black-hole.com> Message-ID: Its Thursday the 8th. Using lookout! for my email is making my brain squishy. Sorry for the confusion. ~jacque > > So is it Thursday or the 5th? Just asking. > > Jacqueline Urick wrote: > > > Hi All- > > > > This Thursday, February 5th, we'll be meeting at O'Gara's (in > the BrewPub > > Part) in St. Paul. 6pm - 8pm or so. Apparently, they have got into the > > microbrew business. > > > > Address: > > 164 Snelling Ave N > > Saint Paul, MN 55104 > > Phone:(651) 644-3333 > > > > Map: > > http://www.mapquest.com/cgi-bin/ia_find?link=btwn%2Ftwn-map_results&random=5 > 20&event=find_search&uid=u2ma01b934h4keed%3A80dfbngur&SNVData=&address=164+S > nelling+Ave+N&city=St+Paul&State=MN&Zip=&Find+Map.x=65&Find+Map.y=11 > > Hope to see you there! > > Jacque > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-announce mailing list > tclug-announce@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Feb 5 20:52:35 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beer Meeting this Thursday! In-Reply-To: ; from jacque@fruitioninc.com on Mon, Feb 05, 2001 at 06:48:30PM -0600 References: <3A7F487E.87F222DB@black-hole.com> Message-ID: <20010205205234.B6655@minime.sistina.com> On Mon, Feb 05, 2001 at 06:48:30PM -0600, Jacqueline Urick wrote: >Its Thursday the 8th. > >Using lookout! for my email is making my brain squishy. > >Sorry for the confusion. You mean that you called thursday the 5th? > >~jacque > > > >> >> So is it Thursday or the 5th? Just asking. >> >> Jacqueline Urick wrote: >> >> > Hi All- >> > >> > This Thursday, February 5th, we'll be meeting at O'Gara's (in >> the BrewPub >> > Part) in St. Paul. 6pm - 8pm or so. Apparently, they have got into the >> > microbrew business. >> > >> > Address: >> > 164 Snelling Ave N >> > Saint Paul, MN 55104 >> > Phone:(651) 644-3333 >> > >> > Map: >> > >http://www.mapquest.com/cgi-bin/ia_find?link=btwn%2Ftwn-map_results&random=5 >> >20&event=find_search&uid=u2ma01b934h4keed%3A80dfbngur&SNVData=&address=164+S >> nelling+Ave+N&city=St+Paul&State=MN&Zip=&Find+Map.x=65&Find+Map.y=11 >> >> Hope to see you there! >> >> Jacque >> >> _______________________________________________ >> tclug-announce mailing list >> tclug-announce@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) _.._..,_,_ ( ) ]~,"-.-~~[ .=])' (; ([ [ ]:: ' [ '=]): .) ([ |:: ' | ~~----~~ mmmm.....beer -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010205/1e090419/attachment.pgp From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Mon Feb 5 22:35:15 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] D-LINK cards In-Reply-To: <015101c08fbb$4eda4e80$3360488b@mn.nwa.com> Message-ID: Their list isn't exactly right. The DE-660CT is also supported under the 8390.0 and whatever does ne.o for pcmcia services. But, (as usual) at least more works that what they know! Cheers, Phil M On Mon, 5 Feb 2001, Larry Cable wrote: > I just received this from D-LINK as I was having trouble getting my card to > work also. Hope this helps. > LarryC > > > D-Link Reference ID: TSE10205-125334 > (This is NOT an RMA number. It is for e-mail response tracking > purposes only.) > > > Dear Valued Customer, > > Here is a list of the most common D-Link Adapters for which Linux has > drivers developed. > > Adapter Drivers in Linux > > D-Link Adapter Linux Module Module Location > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > > > Desktop Adapters *.*.**-** = Kernel version (ie: > 2.2.12-20) > > DE-220 ne.o lib/modules/*.*.**/net > > DE-528ct ne2k-pci.o lib/modules/*.*.**/net > > DFE-500tx tulip.o lib/modules/*.*.**/net > > DFE-530tx via-rhine.o lib/modules/*.*.**/net > > DFE-530tx+ rtl8139.o lib/modules/*.*.**/net > > DFE-538tx rtl8139.o lib/modules/*.*.**/net > > DFE-540tx tulip.o lib/modules/*.*.**/net > > __________________________________________________________________________ > > Portable Adapters > *.*.**-** = Kernel version (ie: 2.2.12-20) > > DE-650 pcnet_cs.o lib/modules/*.*.**/pcmcia > > DFE-650 pcnet_cs.o lib/modules/*.*.**/pcmcia > > DFE-650tx pcmcia_cs.o lib/modules/*.*.**/pcmcia > > > DFE-660tx tulip_cb.o lib/modules/*.*.**/pcmcia > > > Note: > (1)These modules are found on most newer distributions of Linux. > > (2) Most PCMCIA drivers are found in pcmcia_cs 3.1.24 which can be > found at: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=2405 > > Thank you for your technical question and feedback. If you are > continuing to have problems please contact our live support at > 949-790-5290.or resubmit the problem at > http://www.dlink.com/tech/contact/. > > > Thank You, > D-Link US Technical Support > 949-790-5290 > > > Note: D-Link receives a large volume of e-mail each day so please > include ALL previous e-mail exchanges with D-Link Technical Support > when sending replies. Thank you. > > > > > To: ustech@dlink.com > From: c15018@nwa.com > cc: > bcc: > Subject: D-LINK DE-220PCT & RedHat Linux 7.0 > Assigned: Hieu N. > > I'm having trouble getting the D-LINK DE-220PCT to initialize. I've got > a dual boot system: WINNT and RedHat Linux 7.0. In WINNT the card is > set to IO=240 and IRQ=11 plug&play disabled and it works fine. In Linux > I have in /etc/modules.conf... > > alias eth0 nec2k-pci > nec2k-pci io=240 irq=11 > > > Upon booting in Linux I get insmod eth0 initialization failed. What > needs to be done to fix this?? > > Thanks > > LarryC > Larry.Cable@nwa.com > > > >Message: 6 > >Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 19:19:33 -0600 > >From: "d.j. callais" > >To: TCLUG > >Subject: [TCLUG] D-Link Cards > >Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > >Does anyone have any experience installing the D-Link DFE 530TX+ network > >card? I am running RH 7.0 and trying to use the recommended driver > >rtl8139 and having no luck at all. > > > > > >Thanks > >D.J. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From chrome at real-time.com Tue Feb 6 09:07:14 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] our debian mirror In-Reply-To: <20010205105139.A722@minime.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Mon, Feb 05, 2001 at 10:51:39AM -0600 References: <20010205105139.A722@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010206090714.A23911@real-time.com> > Sheesh bob, 50 users max? What's up with that? Real-Time is paying for the bandwidth, you're not. You can't complain too loudly about that deal. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From blayer at qwest.net Tue Feb 6 03:44:34 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ultimate 386 Linux notebook ;) In-Reply-To: <20010205205234.B6655@minime.sistina.com> References: <3A7F487E.87F222DB@black-hole.com> <20010205205234.B6655@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <01020609443402.05094@Homer> I think it's time to sell the "ultimate" Linux 386 notebook. It's a Compaq LTE Lite/25e (compact notebook). 386-25Mhz, with optional 80387 FPU installed. 12MB ram, 500MB hd, internal 14.4 modem, high-contrast, backlit LCD (one of the best LCD I have ever seen..) lid mounted trackmouse. The battery is in good shape, runs the machine for over 2 hours. I have also replaced the CMOS battery within the last 6 months, so that should be good for 6 more years. The ultimate 386 notebook also includes the matching Compaq docking station. The docking station features two 16bit ISA slots, two or three drive slots, onboard IDE controller and a full port replicator. It is designed to have a monitor set atop it, and a keyboard in front of it, so the whole outfit is like a small desktop machine. The station has a 10baseT ethernet card installed as well, which I have been using up until very recently. The machine has Slackware 7.0 (kernel 2.4.0), and is configued to use all of the hardware I mentioned. X is installed and runs fine (but slowly..) This notebook has been extremely reliable since I have owned it. Everything is in tip-top shape, in all respects. Anyone interested, make offer. -- -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From jsowers at osii.com Tue Feb 6 09:52:01 2001 From: jsowers at osii.com (Jason Sowers) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ultimate 386 Linux notebook ;) In-Reply-To: <01020609443402.05094@Homer> Message-ID: Is it just me or does this read like something out of a Hot-Rod magazine? It sounds cool though. ____________________________________ Jason Sowers Network Engineer Open Systems International 3600 Holly Lane North Suite 40 Minneapolis, MN 55447-1286 Phone: (763) 551-0559 Fax: (763) 551-1750 Email: jsowers@osii.com http: www.osii.com & www.e-scada.com -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Bill Layer Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 3:45 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Ultimate 386 Linux notebook ;) I think it's time to sell the "ultimate" Linux 386 notebook. It's a Compaq LTE Lite/25e (compact notebook). 386-25Mhz, with optional 80387 FPU installed. 12MB ram, 500MB hd, internal 14.4 modem, high-contrast, backlit LCD (one of the best LCD I have ever seen..) lid mounted trackmouse. The battery is in good shape, runs the machine for over 2 hours. I have also replaced the CMOS battery within the last 6 months, so that should be good for 6 more years. The ultimate 386 notebook also includes the matching Compaq docking station. The docking station features two 16bit ISA slots, two or three drive slots, onboard IDE controller and a full port replicator. It is designed to have a monitor set atop it, and a keyboard in front of it, so the whole outfit is like a small desktop machine. The station has a 10baseT ethernet card installed as well, which I have been using up until very recently. The machine has Slackware 7.0 (kernel 2.4.0), and is configued to use all of the hardware I mentioned. X is installed and runs fine (but slowly..) This notebook has been extremely reliable since I have owned it. Everything is in tip-top shape, in all respects. Anyone interested, make offer. -- -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tsell at walkermeth.org Tue Feb 6 09:58:53 2001 From: tsell at walkermeth.org (Thomas Sell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Newbie needs help printing to multiple network printers - with filtering Message-ID: I'm running S.u.S.E. 6.1 with apsfilter (docs say it is based on apsfilter 4.9). I need to setup my linux box to print to multiple network printers, and I need to be able to use the apsfilter for all of them so I can get the documents from the DOS applications to print in the right format (different users, different departments, same DOS). So far, I've managed to setup 1 remote printer with a "filtering queue" and in the aspfilterrc.ljet4 file, set the remote printer value to the entry in printcap. I can "net use" the filtering queue and get the formatted printout, or I can "net use" the remote printer queue, and get the unformatted prinout. Now I am stuck. Does anyone know how I can setup another LJ4 (different IP address) and "filtering queue" on the linux box so I can choose which printer I want and still get it to filter? If not, can anyone tell me how I can get the aspfilterrc.ljet4 file to let me choose which remote remote printer to use? I would rather not have to setup a linux box for every printer in the company - on the other hand I would rather do that than setup anything begining with "MS." ;o) Any help/insight would be greatly appreciated. Also, please post responses to the newsgroup. Unsolicitated emails are deleted without opening. Thanks in advance. - Thomas From clay at fandre.com Tue Feb 6 10:16:29 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ultimate 386 Linux notebook ;) References: <3A7F487E.87F222DB@black-hole.com> <20010205205234.B6655@minime.sistina.com> <01020609443402.05094@Homer> Message-ID: <3A80235D.A2FB395D@fandre.com> Bill Layer wrote: > > I think it's time to sell the "ultimate" Linux 386 notebook. It's a Compaq > LTE Lite/25e (compact notebook). 386-25Mhz, with optional 80387 FPU > installed. 12MB ram, 500MB hd, internal 14.4 modem, high-contrast, backlit > LCD (one of the best LCD I have ever seen..) lid mounted trackmouse. The > battery is in good shape, runs the machine for over 2 hours. I have also > replaced the CMOS battery within the last 6 months, so that should be good > for 6 more years. > > The ultimate 386 notebook also includes the matching Compaq docking station. > The docking station features two 16bit ISA slots, two or three drive slots, > onboard IDE controller and a full port replicator. It is designed to have a > monitor set atop it, and a keyboard in front of it, so the whole outfit is > like a small desktop machine. The station has a 10baseT ethernet card > installed as well, which I have been using up until very recently. > > The machine has Slackware 7.0 (kernel 2.4.0), and is configued to use all of > the hardware I mentioned. X is installed and runs fine (but slowly..) This > notebook has been extremely reliable since I have owned it. Everything is in > tip-top shape, in all respects. Anyone interested, make offer. Sure, I'll take it off your hands for you. I won't even charge you. ;-) From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Feb 6 10:17:50 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] our debian mirror In-Reply-To: <20010206090714.A23911@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 09:07:14AM -0600 References: <20010205105139.A722@minime.sistina.com> <20010206090714.A23911@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010206101750.C856@minime.sistina.com> On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 09:07:14AM -0600, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: >> Sheesh bob, 50 users max? What's up with that? > >Real-Time is paying for the bandwidth, you're not. You can't complain too loudly about that deal. :) Well, if you're going to mirror, perhaps you should limit what you're mirroring and who you tell if that's the case. 50 users for a kernel, redhat, debian, and god knows what else mirror is not enough if you broadcast to the whole world (i.e. being listed as an official mirror) Hell I can't even use the mirror anymore, I had to go back to http.us.debian.org and get to deal with thier crummy round-robin DNS with the one machine that NEVER responds. Not complaining, just asking what the deal was. The statement "what's up with that" hardly qualifies as a complaint. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) _.._..,_,_ ( ) ]~,"-.-~~[ .=])' (; ([ [ ]:: ' [ '=]): .) ([ |:: ' | ~~----~~ mmmm.....beer -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On Tuesday 06 February 2001 15:52, you wrote: > Is it just me or does this read like something out of a Hot-Rod magazine? > It sounds cool though. -- -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Tue Feb 6 10:34:18 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] our debian mirror References: <20010205105139.A722@minime.sistina.com> <20010206090714.A23911@real-time.com> <20010206101750.C856@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <3A80278A.67C89482@tc.umn.edu> Ben Lutgens wrote: > > Hell I can't even use the mirror anymore, I had to go back to > http.us.debian.org and get to deal with thier crummy round-robin DNS with the > one machine that NEVER responds. I think you just have to hunt for another server that's relatively close to you in Internet geography (igeography? hmm..). I thought Debian had a program that would go out and find the best mirror site for you... -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ No one gets too old to / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ learn a new way of being \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) stupid. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From andy at theasis.com Tue Feb 6 10:40:28 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] our debian mirror In-Reply-To: <3A80278A.67C89482@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: > I think you just have to hunt for another server that's relatively close > to you in Internet geography (igeography? hmm..). Topology. As for igeography... well, see Telegeography.com. Andy From jsowers at osii.com Tue Feb 6 10:46:11 2001 From: jsowers at osii.com (Jason Sowers) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ultimate 386 Linux notebook ;) In-Reply-To: <01020610183603.05094@Homer> Message-ID: Now that's what I'm talking about. We need to get Tim "The Tool Man" Taylor in here to do some commentary for us. ____________________________________ Jason Sowers Network Engineer Open Systems International 3600 Holly Lane North Suite 40 Minneapolis, MN 55447-1286 Phone: (763) 551-0559 Fax: (763) 551-1750 Email: jsowers@osii.com http: www.osii.com & www.e-scada.com -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Bill Layer Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 4:19 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Ultimate 386 Linux notebook ;) Sundayyyy...! Be there...! See hyped-up low-end Linux machines getting down & ditry in a giant mudpit! With a special-guest halftime show featuring Gladiator jumping a 6' pile of flaming obsolete hardware. On Tuesday 06 February 2001 15:52, you wrote: > Is it just me or does this read like something out of a Hot-Rod magazine? > It sounds cool though. -- -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scottdagastino at yahoo.com Tue Feb 6 10:55:57 2001 From: scottdagastino at yahoo.com (Scott Dagastino) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problems with xterm in RedHat 6.1 Message-ID: <20010206165557.43387.qmail@web9605.mail.yahoo.com> I have recently installed Redhat Linux 6.1 out of the box. When I go into startx, everything displays just fine until I invoke the xterm. The xterm comes up and I can type in commands that work, but problems: 1. prompt does not display 2. what I type is not displaying. 3. If I then highlight the window (with mouse) then all the commands are displayed. I already tried setting the foreground/background colors and nothing works. Any suggestions: __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From Troy.Johnson at health.state.mn.us Tue Feb 6 11:02:27 2001 From: Troy.Johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problems with xterm in RedHat 6.1 Message-ID: What kind of video card and display do you have? What X windows settings are you using (8-bit, 24-bit,...; 640x480, 600x800,...). A lot of detail is a good thing. It sounds like you might be starved for colors right off the bat. Are you using Gnome or KDE? >>> scottdagastino@yahoo.com 02/06/01 10:55AM >>> I have recently installed Redhat Linux 6.1 out of the box. When I go into startx, everything displays just fine until I invoke the xterm. The xterm comes up and I can type in commands that work, but problems: 1. prompt does not display 2. what I type is not displaying. 3. If I then highlight the window (with mouse) then all the commands are displayed. I already tried setting the foreground/background colors and nothing works. Any suggestions: __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Tue Feb 6 11:03:23 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problems with xterm in RedHat 6.1 References: <20010206165557.43387.qmail@web9605.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3A802E5B.6B95844C@fandre.com> Scott Dagastino wrote: > > I have recently installed Redhat Linux 6.1 out of the > box. When I go into startx, everything displays just > fine until I invoke the xterm. > > The xterm comes up and I can type in commands that > work, but problems: > 1. prompt does not display > 2. what I type is not displaying. > 3. If I then highlight the window (with mouse) then > all the commands are displayed. I already tried > setting the foreground/background colors and nothing > works. > > Any suggestions: (Ben would say) Install Debian. From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Feb 6 11:05:04 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] our debian mirror In-Reply-To: <3A80278A.67C89482@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 10:34:18AM -0600 References: <20010205105139.A722@minime.sistina.com> <20010206090714.A23911@real-time.com> <20010206101750.C856@minime.sistina.com> <3A80278A.67C89482@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010206110503.A1518@minime.sistina.com> On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 10:34:18AM -0600, Michael Hicks wrote: > >I think you just have to hunt for another server that's relatively close >to you in Internet geography (igeography? hmm..). I thought Debian had >a program that would go out and find the best mirror site for you... > Not that I am aware of. If someone knows of a mirror checker lemme know. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) _.._..,_,_ ( ) ]~,"-.-~~[ .=])' (; ([ [ ]:: ' [ '=]): .) ([ |:: ' | ~~----~~ mmmm.....beer -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Finite topology, anyway. There are probably a lot of math geek jokes in there -- if the network is the set of nodes, we can prove that users are dense in the network... Nah. Let it go. Phil M. -- "He who hesitates last gets the worm." --P.M. From scottdagastino at yahoo.com Tue Feb 6 11:15:41 2001 From: scottdagastino at yahoo.com (Scott Dagastino) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problems with xterm in RedHat 6.1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010206171541.48077.qmail@web9606.mail.yahoo.com> 1024X768 24 bit kde problem exists under gnome as well video card unknown, but willing to try another. --- Troy Johnson wrote: > What kind of video card and display do you have? > What X windows settings are you using (8-bit, > 24-bit,...; 640x480, 600x800,...). A lot of detail > is a good thing. > > It sounds like you might be starved for colors right > off the bat. Are you using Gnome or KDE? > > >>> scottdagastino@yahoo.com 02/06/01 10:55AM >>> > I have recently installed Redhat Linux 6.1 out of > the > box. When I go into startx, everything displays > just > fine until I invoke the xterm. > > The xterm comes up and I can type in commands that > work, but problems: > 1. prompt does not display > 2. what I type is not displaying. > 3. If I then highlight the window (with mouse) then > all the commands are displayed. I already tried > setting the foreground/background colors and nothing > works. > > Any suggestions: > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great > prices. > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From andy at theasis.com Tue Feb 6 11:20:05 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] topology In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > > I think you just have to hunt for another server that's relatively close > > > to you in Internet geography (igeography? hmm..). > > > > Topology. > > Finite topology, anyway. Oh no, not you again! Andy > > Phil M. > > From tanner at real-time.com Tue Feb 6 11:21:50 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] our debian mirror In-Reply-To: <20010206101750.C856@minime.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 10:17:50AM -0600 References: <20010205105139.A722@minime.sistina.com> <20010206090714.A23911@real-time.com> <20010206101750.C856@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010206112150.D7572@real-time.com> Quoting Ben Lutgens (blutgens@sistina.com): > On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 09:07:14AM -0600, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > >> Sheesh bob, 50 users max? What's up with that? > > > >Real-Time is paying for the bandwidth, you're not. You can't complain too loudly about that deal. :) > > Well, if you're going to mirror, perhaps you should limit what you're > mirroring and who you tell if that's the case. 50 users for a kernel, redhat, > debian, and god knows what else mirror is not enough if you broadcast to the > whole world (i.e. being listed as an official mirror) > > Hell I can't even use the mirror anymore, I had to go back to > http.us.debian.org and get to deal with thier crummy round-robin DNS with the > one machine that NEVER responds. > > Not complaining, just asking what the deal was. The statement "what's up with > that" hardly qualifies as a complaint. > You can always get DSL service with us and then you would not be subject to that limitation :-) We have been burning 3 T1s at an avg utilization of 200Kb/s. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Feb 6 11:33:30 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ultimate 386 Linux notebook ;) In-Reply-To: <01020609443402.05094@Homer>; from blayer@qwest.net on Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 09:44:34AM +0000 References: <3A7F487E.87F222DB@black-hole.com> <20010205205234.B6655@minime.sistina.com> <01020609443402.05094@Homer> Message-ID: <20010206113329.A2150@minime.sistina.com> On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 09:44:34AM +0000, Bill Layer wrote: hmmm, let's see buy a 386 sporting linux or keep my vaio super-slim sproting FreeBSD 4.2.... hehe >I think it's time to sell the "ultimate" Linux 386 notebook. It's a Compaq >LTE Lite/25e (compact notebook). 386-25Mhz, with optional 80387 FPU >installed. 12MB ram, 500MB hd, internal 14.4 modem, high-contrast, backlit >LCD (one of the best LCD I have ever seen..) lid mounted trackmouse. The >battery is in good shape, runs the machine for over 2 hours. I have also >replaced the CMOS battery within the last 6 months, so that should be good >for 6 more years. > >The ultimate 386 notebook also includes the matching Compaq docking station. >The docking station features two 16bit ISA slots, two or three drive slots, >onboard IDE controller and a full port replicator. It is designed to have a >monitor set atop it, and a keyboard in front of it, so the whole outfit is >like a small desktop machine. The station has a 10baseT ethernet card >installed as well, which I have been using up until very recently. > > >The machine has Slackware 7.0 (kernel 2.4.0), and is configued to use all of >the hardware I mentioned. X is installed and runs fine (but slowly..) This >notebook has been extremely reliable since I have owned it. Everything is in >tip-top shape, in all respects. Anyone interested, make offer. > >-- > > > -.bill.layer.- > >-.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- > > -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) _.._..,_,_ ( ) ]~,"-.-~~[ .=])' (; ([ [ ]:: ' [ '=]): .) ([ |:: ' | ~~----~~ mmmm.....beer -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If you've allready got a printer there (and if printing is working I assume you do) then it should be fairly obvious on how to add a second printer of the same type. After you add the printer, restart lpd and samba. (In that order) To get filtering working I use the lpd_bounce option in lprng. For now, see your documentation as I don't have a working example on hand. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Does redhat still do that weird nxterm thing?... -Yaron -- From andyzb at ltiflex.com Tue Feb 6 11:44:57 2001 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problems with xterm in RedHat 6.1 References: <20010206171541.48077.qmail@web9606.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3A803819.83426CBE@ltiflex.com> xterm -fg white -bg black If that doesn't do it, try eterm, rxvt, gnome-terminal, konsole, etc. and see how they behave. Frankly I'm impressed that you got X working without knowing what video card you have. RedHat must have done something right. :) -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: andyzb.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 367 bytes Desc: Card for Andy Zbikowski Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010206/d6bc527a/andyzb.vcf From clay at fandre.com Tue Feb 6 11:49:19 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ultimate 386 Linux notebook ;) References: <3A7F487E.87F222DB@black-hole.com> <20010205205234.B6655@minime.sistina.com> <01020609443402.05094@Homer> <20010206113329.A2150@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <3A80391F.A610694D@fandre.com> Ben Lutgens wrote: > > > hmmm, let's see buy a 386 sporting linux or keep my vaio super-slim sproting > FreeBSD 4.2.... > What?!?! No debian? Are you an IDIOT??? (Oh yea. Nevermind.) From jon.erickson at neicoltech.org Tue Feb 6 11:49:30 2001 From: jon.erickson at neicoltech.org (Jonathan Erickson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problems with xterm in RedHat 6.1 In-Reply-To: <3A802E5B.6B95844C@fandre.com> Message-ID: Are you using enlightenment as your window manager (Gnome\enlightenment is the RH6.1 default)? If so, you need to change the configuration so that new windows automagically get the focus. You can change the settings via Gnome Control Center -> Window Manager -> Run Configuration Tool for Enlightenment -> Behavior. Make sure that the "All new windows that appear get the keyboard focus" option is selected. Jon Erickson > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Clay Fandre > Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 11:03 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] problems with xterm in RedHat 6.1 > > > Scott Dagastino wrote: > > > > I have recently installed Redhat Linux 6.1 out of the > > box. When I go into startx, everything displays just > > fine until I invoke the xterm. > > > > The xterm comes up and I can type in commands that > > work, but problems: > > 1. prompt does not display > > 2. what I type is not displaying. > > 3. If I then highlight the window (with mouse) then > > all the commands are displayed. I already tried > > setting the foreground/background colors and nothing > > works. > > > > Any suggestions: > > (Ben would say) Install Debian. > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Feb 6 12:18:34 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ultimate 386 Linux notebook ;) In-Reply-To: <3A80391F.A610694D@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 11:49:19AM -0600 References: <3A7F487E.87F222DB@black-hole.com> <20010205205234.B6655@minime.sistina.com> <01020609443402.05094@Homer> <20010206113329.A2150@minime.sistina.com> <3A80391F.A610694D@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20010206121833.A531@minime.sistina.com> On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 11:49:19AM -0600, Clay Fandre wrote: > >What?!?! No debian? Are you an IDIOT??? (Oh yea. Nevermind.) o.k. in order: Yes, I still use debian on some stuff. But it's easier to install freebsd when the only media you can use is USB floppy. I was not about to stoop to using RedHat. Yes, I am :-) -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) _.._..,_,_ ( ) ]~,"-.-~~[ .=])' (; ([ [ ]:: ' [ '=]): .) ([ |:: ' | ~~----~~ mmmm.....beer -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I f you're needing CDs I'm sure we > could set you up... > > Also, are you running xterm or running it from a > menu? Does redhat still > do that weird nxterm thing?... > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From clay at fandre.com Tue Feb 6 13:30:05 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problems with xterm in RedHat 6.1 References: <20010206190410.41194.qmail@web9615.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3A8050BD.65E14B34@fandre.com> Scott Dagastino wrote: > > I have noticed too many buggy features (out of the > box) with RH 6.2 and 7.0. If I need an updated kernel > or kde/gnome, I will download them and build it. At > least I know that 6.1 is pretty stable I disagree. From my experiences 6.2 is much more stable than 6.2. I've been running it on a few systems now since it came out with zero problems. Dot 2 releases or RH are always the most stable. Then again, I switched to debian a few months ago, so what do I know. From clay at fandre.com Tue Feb 6 13:35:16 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problems with xterm in RedHat 6.1 References: <20010206190410.41194.qmail@web9615.mail.yahoo.com> <3A8050BD.65E14B34@fandre.com> Message-ID: <3A8051F4.53B36471@fandre.com> Clay Fandre wrote: > > I disagree. From my experiences 6.2 is much more stable than 6.2. And I am more retarded than I am. From esper at sherohman.org Tue Feb 6 13:35:40 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problems with xterm in RedHat 6.1 In-Reply-To: <3A8050BD.65E14B34@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 01:30:05PM -0600 References: <20010206190410.41194.qmail@web9615.mail.yahoo.com> <3A8050BD.65E14B34@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20010206133540.F22440@sherohman.org> On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 01:30:05PM -0600, Clay Fandre wrote: > Then again, I switched to debian a few months ago, so what do I know. ...and another has succumbed to the swirly side of the Force. -- SGI products are used to create the 'Bugs' that entertain us in theatres and at home. - SGI job posting Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Feb 6 13:54:45 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problems with xterm in RedHat 6.1 In-Reply-To: <20010206190410.41194.qmail@web9615.mail.yahoo.com>; from scottdagastino@yahoo.com on Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 11:04:10AM -0800 References: <20010206190410.41194.qmail@web9615.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20010206135445.E531@minime.sistina.com> On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 11:04:10AM -0800, Scott Dagastino wrote: >I have noticed too many buggy features (out of the >box) with RH 6.2 and 7.0. If I need an updated kernel >or kde/gnome, I will download them and build it. At >least I know that 6.1 is pretty stable RedHat's kernel is more like a forked version of the code than it is a linus kernel. They add about 50 patches and still call it 2.2.18 (or whatever) when in all actuallity it has most of the functionallity of a 2.4 kernel. Problem is for developers who are hacknig in kernel space (like sistina) we are forced to tell people that we only support stock kernels from an official kernel mirror. As far as distros are concerened I am about fed up with them all, I am anxiously awaiting slack 7.2, debian's developers are making a nasty habit of screwing things up lately and I am tired of dealing with it. hence the recent convert to freebsd (which is very slick) >--- Yaron wrote: >> Hi, >> >> On Tue, 6 Feb 2001, Clay Fandre wrote: >> >> > > I have recently installed Redhat Linux 6.1 out >> of the >> > (Ben would say) Install Debian. >> >> >> (Yaron would say, or in fact, IS saying) Why Red Hat >> 6.1? I know some >> people have problems with Red Hat 7.0 (I >> didn't/don't) but at least put >> 6.2 on there? I f you're needing CDs I'm sure we >> could set you up... >> >> Also, are you running xterm or running it from a >> menu? Does redhat still >> do that weird nxterm thing?... >> >> -Yaron >> >> -- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> tclug-list mailing list >> tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) _.._..,_,_ ( ) ]~,"-.-~~[ .=])' (; ([ [ ]:: ' [ '=]): .) ([ |:: ' | ~~----~~ mmmm.....beer -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I've never used lprng, but I'm willing to give it a try if it will give me more than 1 remote printer and filtering at the same time! Thanks for the advice. - Thomas From barnabas at knicknack.net Tue Feb 6 14:32:07 2001 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problems with xterm in RedHat 6.1 In-Reply-To: <20010206135445.E531@minime.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 01:54:45PM -0600 References: <20010206190410.41194.qmail@web9615.mail.yahoo.com> <20010206135445.E531@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010206143207.A1885@knicknack.net> OK, we're on to you now. What did you do with the real (idiot) Ben? Eric On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 01:54:45PM -0600, Ben Lutgens wrote: > > > As far as distros are concerened I am about fed up with them all, I am > anxiously awaiting slack 7.2, debian's developers are making a nasty habit of > screwing things up lately and I am tired of dealing with it. > > hence the recent convert to freebsd (which is very slick) > From thouck at thouck.com Tue Feb 6 14:47:20 2001 From: thouck at thouck.com (thouck@thouck.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ultimate 386 Linux notebook ;) In-Reply-To: <01020609443402.05094@Homer> Message-ID: <200102062036.MAA20208@pine.he.net> I'm interested in the laptop, but won't mention a dollar value right now. I gotta do some research first. :) If you don't get any decent offers, keep me in mind. Tim On 6 Feb, Bill Layer had this nonsense to say: > The machine has Slackware 7.0 (kernel 2.4.0), and is configued to use all of > the hardware I mentioned. X is installed and runs fine (but slowly..) 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I killed him, he's decomposing in my trunk :-) > >Eric > >On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 01:54:45PM -0600, Ben Lutgens wrote: >> >> >> As far as distros are concerened I am about fed up with them all, I am >> anxiously awaiting slack 7.2, debian's developers are making a nasty habit of >> screwing things up lately and I am tired of dealing with it. >> >> hence the recent convert to freebsd (which is very slick) >> >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) _.._..,_,_ ( ) ]~,"-.-~~[ .=])' (; ([ [ ]:: ' [ '=]): .) ([ |:: ' | ~~----~~ mmmm.....beer -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Any suggestions on a tight, fast OS to accomodate my needs? -Brian From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Tue Feb 6 16:25:19 2001 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Distro madness In-Reply-To: ; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 04:07:06PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20010206162519.B89652@sorry.cs.umn.edu> You'll be _really_ lucky to get Linux in a useable state with only 4 MB of RAM and on a 60 MB harddrive. Older version of Slackware (<= 3.4, maybe), _might_ fit, but the install will be a bitch. The problem with going with an old version is that laptop support will suck. You're right, the real solution is upgrade your laptop. Unfortunately, I'd say it's most likely your only solution. But.. I've been called a pessimist. Good luck. Gabe On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 04:07:06PM -0600, Brian wrote: > I'm not looking to start a war here but I'm looking for comments / > suggestions on a good distro. I've got a 386 laptop with 4 MB RAM and a 60 > MB hard drive. The real solution here would be "upgrade your laptop", > but this is what I have. My primary use for this machine is Cisco work. I > basically need a laptop that has VT100 terminal emulation (minicom is > nice), dialup, and ethernet capability. I need something light, fast, and > stable as my laptop is none of these. I've been born and raised on Redhat > but dabbled with Debian. Slack is beyond my understanding. FreeBSD is > just plain obscure. Any suggestions on a tight, fast OS to accomodate my > needs? > > -Brian > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Get out of my trash! I'm telling you for the last time! A man works hard for his filth, just to have vagrants steal it. It's a cryin' shame." - George Liquor in "The Boy Who Cried Rat!" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tim at tneu.visi.com Tue Feb 6 16:28:16 2001 From: tim at tneu.visi.com (tim) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Distro madness In-Reply-To: <20010206162519.B89652@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: > > just plain obscure. Any suggestions on a tight, fast OS to accomodate my > > needs? Minix would run great on a machine like that. (it even runs on a 286). Unfortunately, there are not very many applications for minix, and the installation is primarily manual. I also believe (last I checked), it is not free. I hate to say it, but you might be best off using DOS. Being a responsible Linux geek also requires admiting areas where Linux probably wouldn't be so hot... DOS is the only thing old enough to fit confortably inside of 60MB, and there is no shortage of applications available for it. (I guess there's even a DOS web browser now! Who knew!) Not that Linux couldn't fit - just that it wouldn't be very fun with less than 60MB of applications... -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- What the president of the Motion Picture Association of America says about taking away your constitutional rights: "I'm rather jubilant now. What Judge Kaplan did was blow away every one of these brittle and fragile rebuttals. He threw out fair use; he threw out reverse engineering; he threw out linking." - Jack Valenti, president of the Motion Picture Association of America. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ______ _ __ "If you don't have the freedom to use what you / ' ) ) own - then you do not own anything." / o ______ / / _ . . No apologies to Jack Valenti or the MPAA / <_/ / / < / (_; from tim@tneu.visi.com on Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 04:28:16PM -0600 References: <20010206162519.B89652@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010206165926.C89652@sorry.cs.umn.edu> > > Minix would run great on a machine like that. (it even runs on a 286). Actually, Minix will run on an XT with only 640k of memory... > > Unfortunately, there are not very many applications for minix, and the > installation is primarily manual. The only problem I can see if he ran Minix on it, is lack of ethernet support. Minix only supports a handfull of ethernet cards, none of them PCMCIA, that I know of. One could check the hardware compat list to be sure. > I also believe (last I checked), it is not free. It's probably been a while since you last checked. Minix was re-released under the BSD license about a year ago. > I hate to say it, but you might be best off using DOS. Being a > responsible Linux geek also requires admiting areas where Linux > probably wouldn't be so hot... I have to agree here. If you can get DOS to see your ethernet card, you'd pretty much be set. There's probably even an ssh port :) Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Get out of my trash! I'm telling you for the last time! A man works hard for his filth, just to have vagrants steal it. It's a cryin' shame." - George Liquor in "The Boy Who Cried Rat!" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Feb 6 17:40:17 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Distro madness In-Reply-To: ; from tim@tneu.visi.com on Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 04:28:16PM -0600 References: <20010206162519.B89652@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010206174017.C3841@minime.sistina.com> On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 04:28:16PM -0600, tim wrote: >Not that Linux couldn't fit - just that it wouldn't be very fun with less >than 60MB of applications... > I think it's be quite fun. All you'd need was a few console apps and such. and install no docs or manpages and you are golden. Text only is your friend. a true hacker box. If you wanted and it had a cdrom, you could run from a live CD and only store certain stuff on the disk. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) _.._..,_,_ ( ) ]~,"-.-~~[ .=])' (; ([ [ ]:: ' [ '=]): .) ([ |:: ' | ~~----~~ mmmm.....beer -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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RedHat must have done something right. :) Actually i believe RH will run xprobeonly and then pick the right card, if it's 4.0.2 they can run XFree86 -configure and X will work fine. > >-- >Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com >LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 >21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 >Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) _.._..,_,_ ( ) ]~,"-.-~~[ .=])' (; ([ [ ]:: ' [ '=]): .) ([ |:: ' | ~~----~~ mmmm.....beer -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Feb 6 19:39:58 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problems with xterm in RedHat 6.1 In-Reply-To: <3A8051F4.53B36471@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 01:35:16PM -0600 References: <20010206190410.41194.qmail@web9615.mail.yahoo.com> <3A8050BD.65E14B34@fandre.com> <3A8051F4.53B36471@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20010206193958.A5316@minime.sistina.com> On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 01:35:16PM -0600, Clay Fandre wrote: >Clay Fandre wrote: >> >> I disagree. From my experiences 6.2 is much more stable than 6.2. > >And I am more retarded than I am. You idiot! hehe, tag you're it. >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) _.._..,_,_ ( ) ]~,"-.-~~[ .=])' (; ([ [ ]:: ' [ '=]): .) ([ |:: ' | ~~----~~ mmmm.....beer -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010206/4d264a8e/attachment.pgp From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Feb 6 19:40:56 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UltraSparc 2's In-Reply-To: <200102070101.f1711Zo05946@destef.com>; from destef@destef.com on Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 07:01:50PM -0600 References: <200102070101.f1711Zo05946@destef.com> Message-ID: <20010206194056.B5316@minime.sistina.com> On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 07:01:50PM -0600, Jason DeStefano wrote: >I have a couple of UltraSparc 2's with 21inch monitors at >work that might need a new home. I dont have the specs yet >and was wondering if there is enough interest from anyone >for me to dig them out of the closet and see if my mgr will >part with them. Would probably come with some software >I think. > >Any interest? Yes, hopefully I'll have some cash once I get my car out of the shop..... :-) > > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) _.._..,_,_ ( ) ]~,"-.-~~[ .=])' (; ([ [ ]:: ' [ '=]): .) ([ |:: ' | ~~----~~ mmmm.....beer -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010206/7b6a9d4d/attachment.pgp From clay at fandre.com Tue Feb 6 21:25:22 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UltraSparc 2's References: <200102070101.f1711Zo05946@destef.com> Message-ID: <3A80C022.DD7AD529@fandre.com> I have plenty of room in my closet^H^H^H^H^H^Hcomputer room for an Ultra2. Let me know where I can pick one up. Jason DeStefano wrote: > > I have a couple of UltraSparc 2's with 21inch monitors at > work that might need a new home. I dont have the specs yet > and was wondering if there is enough interest from anyone > for me to dig them out of the closet and see if my mgr will > part with them. Would probably come with some software > I think. > > Any interest? > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sraun at fireopal.org Tue Feb 6 22:01:59 2001 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help! Mailman on Debian Message-ID: <20010206220159.B22519@iaxs.net> I've got something seriously - but probably fairly basic - wrong. Two symptoms - first, the mailman.jpg isn't displaying. Second, I'm not getting replies to 'confirm subscription' messages processed. I've read the README.Debian - re: the jpg, it says 'put is somewhere apache can see it, and modify mm_cfg.py'. I did that - it still doesn't work. I am using exim. There's a comment in README.Debian about "user=list in system_aliases director." Huh? I don't know what this means, and I'm not certain where to start. Any pointers? -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From sgrobe at mn.rr.com Tue Feb 6 22:20:31 2001 From: sgrobe at mn.rr.com (steve) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake 7.2 and AWE 64 Message-ID: <3A80CD0F.BF4E27A5@mn.rr.com> Hi guys, A newbie here. Does anyone else have trouble getting an AWE 64 card to work with Mandrake 7.2? I can get it to work if I run sndconfig at a command prompt after I boot but it quits working as soon as I reboot. If I configure it via DrakeConf it takes about 5 minutes to find it and once again it only works until I reboot. I had to install Mandrake/QNX with the BIOS set to PNP OS yes to get it to work at all otherwise nothing at all. After install I set the BIOS PNP back to "no" or it doesn't work either I suppose I could try setting all of the IRQs manually via the BIOS but then I would risk the card not working in Winders2K, BeOS and QNX RTP (QNX has been a problem also). I am new to Linux and don't even know where to start here. I checked the /etc/modules.conf and the settings seem to be the same if it is working or not so I am guessing there is somewhere else I need to be looking to solve this. If someone could point me to the files I need to modify, to get this to work without having to run sndconfig each time I reboot it would be worth a few beers, or maybe a burger at the Water Tower for those of you who don't drink. (Beers and burgers at the Water Tower both rock by the way.) System: Abit BP6 with dual Celery 400's (I went with Mandrake because it sets up a SMP kernel automagiclly) 288MB RAM 3com 905 NIC SB AWE 64 ISA PNP - I am considering a SB Live with all the trouble I am having. $60 bucks at Nanosys. www.nanosys1.com 30G WD hard drive with Win2K, BeOS, Mandrake Linux, and QNX RTP. Viper 550 video. Using Bootman on BeOS as a bootloader. I am lost here, any help you can offer? SG, o.S.D. -- When you consider who I am, I am doing pretty good. From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Feb 6 22:30:22 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BIND 8.2.3? Message-ID: Hi, Anyone having... weird problems with bind 8.2.3? I upgraded to it (from 8.2.2_pl5) about a week and a bit ago, and today I've been told I'm _hijacking_ domains I'm doing secondary DNS for! Some when I'm even not LISTED as secondary for the domain, are STILL being pointed to MY primary IP address for NO reason! This is RPM bind and self-built bind... Anyone? -Yaron -- From andy at theasis.com Tue Feb 6 22:49:41 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake 7.2 and AWE 64 In-Reply-To: <3A80CD0F.BF4E27A5@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: > Hi guys, > A newbie here. Does anyone else have trouble getting an AWE 64 card to > work with Mandrake 7.2? I can get it to work if I run sndconfig at a > command prompt after I boot but it quits working as soon as I reboot. AWE64 is ISA, PNP. When I was using mine, I used isapnp, via isapnp.conf, which I set up via isapnptools. This was some years ago, but that still may be the answer. Does Mandrake ship with those? Another possibility is to consider the alsa-driver, http://www.alsa-project.org/ Andy > SG, o.S.D. > > > From sgrobe at mn.rr.com Tue Feb 6 23:09:32 2001 From: sgrobe at mn.rr.com (steve) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake 7.2 and AWE 64 References: Message-ID: <3A80D88C.E131EA58@mn.rr.com> andy@theasis.com wrote: > > > Hi guys, > > A newbie here. Does anyone else have trouble getting an AWE 64 card to > > work with Mandrake 7.2? I can get it to work if I run sndconfig at a > > command prompt after I boot but it quits working as soon as I reboot. > > AWE64 is ISA, PNP. > When I was using mine, I used isapnp, via isapnp.conf, which I set up via > isapnptools. > > This was some years ago, but that still may be the answer. Does Mandrake > ship with those? > > Another possibility is to consider the alsa-driver, > http://www.alsa-project.org/ > > Andy > > > SG, o.S.D. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list Andy, /etc/isapnp.conf is there but I will need some time to wade through it, it seems that just about everything is FATAL which can't be good.:-( Thanks. One more place to look. SG, O.S.D. -- When you consider who I am, I am doing pretty good. From tobytoo at black-hole.com Tue Feb 6 23:43:46 2001 From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (b. toberman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UltraSparc 2's References: <200102070101.f1711Zo05946@destef.com> Message-ID: <3A80E092.9F1DC796@black-hole.com> Heck Yeah I'm interested Jason DeStefano wrote: > I have a couple of UltraSparc 2's with 21inch monitors at > work that might need a new home. I dont have the specs yet > and was wondering if there is enough interest from anyone > for me to dig them out of the closet and see if my mgr will > part with them. Would probably come with some software > I think. > > Any interest? > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From esper at sherohman.org Wed Feb 7 00:10:19 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help! Mailman on Debian In-Reply-To: <20010206220159.B22519@iaxs.net>; from sraun@fireopal.org on Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 10:01:59PM -0600 References: <20010206220159.B22519@iaxs.net> Message-ID: <20010207001019.A25846@sherohman.org> On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 10:01:59PM -0600, Scott Raun wrote: > I've read the README.Debian - re: the jpg, it says 'put is somewhere >apache can see it, and modify mm_cfg.py'. I did that - it still doesn't >work. (Please wrap your text at <80 columns.) I dealt with that by creating a symlink named 'mailman' in /usr/share/apache/images/ which points at /usr/doc/mailman/images/. This way, the existing links to http://host/images/mailman/* work as-is. > I am using exim. There's a comment in README.Debian about > > "user=list in system_aliases director." > > Huh? I don't know what this means, and I'm not certain where to start. Any >pointers? Bring up exim.conf in your editor of choice and do a search for "system_aliases". At the end of the block, you should see # user = list # Uncomment the above line if you are running smartlist Uncomment the "user = list" line. (If it's not there, add it.) -- SGI products are used to create the 'Bugs' that entertain us in theatres and at home. - SGI job posting Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From kbullock at ringworld.org Wed Feb 7 00:16:55 2001 From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin R. Bullock) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UltraSparc 2's In-Reply-To: <200102070101.f1711Zo05946@destef.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 6 Feb 2001, Jason DeStefano wrote: > I have a couple of UltraSparc 2's with 21inch monitors at > work that might need a new home. I dont have the specs yet > and was wondering if there is enough interest from anyone > for me to dig them out of the closet and see if my mgr will > part with them. Would probably come with some software > I think. > > Any interest? If the price is right, I'm definitely interested. I've been meaning to get a Sun box to play with. *runs off to do some price research* Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa Kevin R. Bullock From sraun at fireopal.org Wed Feb 7 06:41:28 2001 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help! Mailman on Debian In-Reply-To: <20010207001019.A25846@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 12:10:19AM -0600 References: <20010206220159.B22519@iaxs.net> <20010207001019.A25846@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20010207064128.A24032@iaxs.net> On Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 12:10:19AM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 10:01:59PM -0600, Scott Raun wrote: > > I've read the README.Debian - re: the jpg, it says 'put is somewhere > >apache can see it, and modify mm_cfg.py'. I did that - it still doesn't > >work. > > (Please wrap your text at <80 columns.) I'm still researching that one - I'm slowly learning emacs, and haven't quite gotten that far yet. But it's on the list! > I dealt with that by creating a symlink named 'mailman' in > /usr/share/apache/images/ which points at /usr/doc/mailman/images/. This > way, the existing links to http://host/images/mailman/* work as-is. > > > I am using exim. There's a comment in README.Debian about > > > > "user=list in system_aliases director." > > > > Huh? I don't know what this means, and I'm not certain where to start. Any > >pointers? > > Bring up exim.conf in your editor of choice and do a search for > "system_aliases". At the end of the block, you should see > > # user = list > # Uncomment the above line if you are running smartlist > > Uncomment the "user = list" line. (If it's not there, add it.) Thanks! -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From clay at fandre.com Wed Feb 7 07:01:02 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help! Mailman on Debian References: <20010206220159.B22519@iaxs.net> <20010207001019.A25846@sherohman.org> <20010207064128.A24032@iaxs.net> Message-ID: <3A81470E.3BD19E68@fandre.com> Scott Raun wrote: > > > > > (Please wrap your text at <80 columns.) > > I'm still researching that one - I'm slowly learning emacs, and haven't > quite gotten that far yet. But it's on the list! I'm sorry to hear that. Although from what I hear, emacs is a nice operating system. From barnabas at knicknack.net Wed Feb 7 07:07:29 2001 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help! Mailman on Debian In-Reply-To: <20010207064128.A24032@iaxs.net>; from sraun@fireopal.org on Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 06:41:28AM -0600 References: <20010206220159.B22519@iaxs.net> <20010207001019.A25846@sherohman.org> <20010207064128.A24032@iaxs.net> Message-ID: <20010207070729.A4037@knicknack.net> On Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 06:41:28AM -0600, Scott Raun wrote: > On Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 12:10:19AM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 10:01:59PM -0600, Scott Raun wrote: > > > I've read the README.Debian - re: the jpg, it says 'put is somewhere > > >apache can see it, and modify mm_cfg.py'. I did that - it still doesn't > > >work. > > > > (Please wrap your text at <80 columns.) > > I'm still researching that one - I'm slowly learning emacs, and haven't > quite gotten that far yet. But it's on the list! > Meta-q From Troy.Johnson at health.state.mn.us Wed Feb 7 07:13:46 2001 From: Troy.Johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UltraSparc 2's Message-ID: I might be interested also, but I am but a poor church mouse, so price is also _the_ issue for me. >>> destef@destef.com 02/06/01 07:01PM >>> I have a couple of UltraSparc 2's with 21inch monitors at work that might need a new home. P.S. - I'm using GroupWise to write this. Is it as irritating to read as email that is produced by Outlook (default html, no line wrapping, ...)? I'm also reading it through GroupWise so I might not be able to tell. :-/ From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Wed Feb 7 07:46:20 2001 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake 7.2 and AWE 64 In-Reply-To: <3A80CD0F.BF4E27A5@mn.rr.com>; from sgrobe@mn.rr.com on Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 10:20:31PM -0600 References: <3A80CD0F.BF4E27A5@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <20010207074620.A92051@sorry.cs.umn.edu> What kind of AWE 64? I have an AWE 64 Gold (with the RCA outs) and I've never, ever gotten it to work in Linux (or any *BSD, for that matter). I don't know what it is about the card - some weird chip on it or something. I can get my AWE 64 Value to work just fine, but the Gold is a no-go. Gabe On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 10:20:31PM -0600, steve wrote: > Hi guys, > A newbie here. Does anyone else have trouble getting an AWE 64 card to > work with Mandrake 7.2? I can get it to work if I run sndconfig at a > command prompt after I boot but it quits working as soon as I reboot. > If I configure it via DrakeConf it takes about 5 minutes to find it and > once again it only works until I reboot. I had to install Mandrake/QNX > with the BIOS set to PNP OS yes to get it to work at all otherwise > nothing at all. After install I set the BIOS PNP back to "no" or it > doesn't work either > -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "My collection of rare, eencurebale diseases! Violated!" - Ren Hoek in "Sven Hoek" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ben at nerp.net Wed Feb 7 08:05:40 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BIND 8.2.3? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I had bind blowup on a domain where i had a subdomain pointed to another host, it didn't like the syntax I was using. 8.2.3 might be sending out NOTIFY messages, which could be doing it.. I'd have to see you're configs to say anything else Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Tue, 6 Feb 2001, Yaron wrote: > Hi, > > Anyone having... weird problems with bind 8.2.3? I upgraded to it (from > 8.2.2_pl5) about a week and a bit ago, and today I've been told I'm > _hijacking_ domains I'm doing secondary DNS for! Some when I'm even not > LISTED as secondary for the domain, are STILL being pointed to MY primary > IP address for NO reason! > > This is RPM bind and self-built bind... > > Anyone? > > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Feb 7 08:38:28 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help! Mailman on Debian In-Reply-To: <3A81470E.3BD19E68@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 07:01:02AM -0600 References: <20010206220159.B22519@iaxs.net> <20010207001019.A25846@sherohman.org> <20010207064128.A24032@iaxs.net> <3A81470E.3BD19E68@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20010207083828.A88355@minime.sistina.com> On Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 07:01:02AM -0600, Clay Fandre wrote: >Scott Raun wrote: >> >> > >> > (Please wrap your text at <80 columns.) >> >> I'm still researching that one - I'm slowly learning emacs, and haven't >> quite gotten that far yet. But it's on the list! > >I'm sorry to hear that. Although from what I hear, emacs is a nice >operating system. > Yeah, too bad it lacks a decent editor. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator) _.._..,_,_ ( ) ]~,"-.-~~[ .=])' (; ([ [ ]:: ' [ '=]): .) ([ |:: ' | ~~----~~ mmmm.....beer -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010207/14b70e18/attachment.pgp From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Wed Feb 7 08:45:27 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Distro madness In-Reply-To: <20010206162519.B89652@sorry.cs.umn.edu>; from dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu on Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 04:25:19PM -0600 References: <20010206162519.B89652@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010207084527.C7149@pchelka.space.umn.edu> > On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 04:07:06PM -0600, Brian wrote: > I'm not looking to start a war here but I'm looking for comments / > suggestions on a good distro. I've got a 386 laptop with 4 MB RAM and a 60 > MB hard drive. The real solution here would be "upgrade your laptop", > but this is what I have. My primary use for this machine is Cisco work. I > basically need a laptop that has VT100 terminal emulation (minicom is > nice), dialup, and ethernet capability. I need something light, fast, and > stable as my laptop is none of these. I've been born and raised on Redhat > but dabbled with Debian. Slack is beyond my understanding. FreeBSD is > just plain obscure. Any suggestions on a tight, fast OS to accomodate my > needs? > You might want to try one of the "mini-distributions". I haven't played with many of them, but there are several really small distributions out there. The only one I've really played with is Tom's Root Boot . The whole thing fits on one floppy and has most of the stuff you wanted. A better option might be to go with an old version of Debian. I'd probably try either Hamm (2.0) or Bo (1.3.1). (Browing the Bo installation manual it says you need 4 MB of RAM and 40 MB of disk, so you might want to start there.) You can find them at ftp://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/, or if you want to wait till the next meeting someone would probably loan you their old CDs (I would if I ever made it to meeetings ;) ). Anyway, I think that you could fit a workable system into your contraints, but you'd have to trim off a lot of packages that Debian wants to install by default. X (obviously), TeTeX, emacs, Perl, and all of those compiler and development packages. Anyway, that's what I'd try. Jim -- Jim Crumley | crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | From sgrobe at mn.rr.com Wed Feb 7 09:01:11 2001 From: sgrobe at mn.rr.com (steve) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake 7.2 and AWE 64 References: <3A80CD0F.BF4E27A5@mn.rr.com> <20010207074620.A92051@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3A816337.8BF4FB42@mn.rr.com> I think it's an AWE 64 Value, it doesn't have the RCA outputs. "University of Minnesohta" ya, you betcha. dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > > What kind of AWE 64? I have an AWE 64 Gold (with the RCA outs) and I've > never, ever gotten it to work in Linux (or any *BSD, for that matter). I > don't know what it is about the card - some weird chip on it or something. > I can get my AWE 64 Value to work just fine, but the Gold is a no-go. > > Gabe > > On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 10:20:31PM -0600, steve wrote: > > Hi guys, > > A newbie here. Does anyone else have trouble getting an AWE 64 card to > > work with Mandrake 7.2? I can get it to work if I run sndconfig at a > > command prompt after I boot but it quits working as soon as I reboot. > > If I configure it via DrakeConf it takes about 5 minutes to find it and > > once again it only works until I reboot. I had to install Mandrake/QNX > > with the BIOS set to PNP OS yes to get it to work at all otherwise > > nothing at all. After install I set the BIOS PNP back to "no" or it > > doesn't work either > > > > -- > -- When you consider who I am, I am doing pretty good. From peter at math.umn.edu Wed Feb 7 09:26:24 2001 From: peter at math.umn.edu (Peter Lukas) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tcp connections not closing properly In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10938E@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: Upgrade to a *BSD. Peter Lukas On Tue, 30 Jan 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > I have a box that is not properly closing out it's tcp connections. If I do > a netstat --inet, it comes up with over 1700 connections in the state CLOSE. > lsof shows all of these using up my file handles, and I am having trouble > starting new processes on the box so I have to reboot it. > > Does anyone know how I can fix this? I have 2 machines which are identical > to this one and they don't have any problems. > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From zibby at ringworld.org Wed Feb 7 09:31:58 2001 From: zibby at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake 7.2 and AWE 64 In-Reply-To: <3A816337.8BF4FB42@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: Here's all that I remember, in theory this should be all the right settings... Note that I'm giving you the configs because: I'm feeling generous I happend to have them all handy and finially, I can't find the HOWTO I used to get this all working in the first place. So enjoy the freebie but remember it's probally in your best interest to figure out how to do this on your own. :) this is all the lines uncommented in my /etc/isapnp.conf: (READPORT 0x0273) (ISOLATE PRESERVE) (IDENTIFY *) (VERBOSITY 2) (CONFLICT (IO FATAL)(IRQ FATAL)(DMA FATAL)(MEM FATAL)) # or WARNING (CONFIGURE CTL00e4/527652465 (LD 0 (INT 0 (IRQ 5 (MODE +E))) (DMA 0 (CHANNEL 1)) (DMA 1 (CHANNEL 7)) (IO 0 (SIZE 16) (BASE 0x0220)) (IO 1 (SIZE 2) (BASE 0x0330)) (IO 2 (SIZE 4) (BASE 0x0388)) (NAME "CTL00e4/527652465[0]{Audio }") (ACT Y) )) (CONFIGURE CTL00e4/527652465 (LD 1 (IO 0 (SIZE 8) (BASE 0x0200)) (NAME "CTL00e4/527652465[1]{Game }") (ACT Y) )) (CONFIGURE CTL00e4/527652465 (LD 2 (IO 0 (SIZE 4) (BASE 0x0620)) # PNPDUMP doesn't detect IO 1 and IO 2 # so you have to add them manually (IO 1 (SIZE 4) (BASE 0x0a20)) (IO 2 (SIZE 4) (BASE 0x0e20)) (NAME "CTL00e4/527652465[2]{WaveTable }") (ACT Y) )) NOTE!: The IO 1 and IO 2 lines are not properly detected by a pnpdump, and thus you have to add them manually IF you want MIDI. You'll also have to get the sfxload utility to load the sound fonts. (Simple as /usr/bin/sfxload /usr/src/awedrv/SYNTHGS.SBK) the SBK file should be on your Windows driver CD. I probally have it around yet if you can't find it. After the card successfully plugs and plays you'll need to configure the modules. If your system uses modutils: cd /etc/modutils touch awe64 Edit awe64 to look like this: alias net-pf-4 off alias net-pf-5 off alias char-major-14 sb alias synth0 awe_wave alias char-major-14-1 opl3 options sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1 dma16=7 options opl3 io=0x388 then run update-modules && depmod -a If your system doesn't use modutils, you have to edit /etc/conf.modules or /etc/modules.conf and add the above lines, then depmod. You should be good to go with sound. Man, PCI sound cards sure are nice. modprobe emu10k1 and off you go.... | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | | This message is protected by double ROT13 | | encryption. Any attempt to circumvent the | | digital protection is banned by the DMCA. | From clay at fandre.com Wed Feb 7 10:05:09 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tcp connections not closing properly References: Message-ID: <3A817235.ACCE7BF0@fandre.com> Peter Lukas wrote: > > Upgrade to a *BSD. > OK guys. There's a lot of talk about switching to *BSD. Should we make this a *BSD mailing list? http://www.mn-linux.org/sympoll/polllist.php3?mypollid=6 From BTimm at Interelate.com Wed Feb 7 10:13:32 2001 From: BTimm at Interelate.com (Brad Timm) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tcp connections not closing properly Message-ID: <394E263D7458ED4F91DA2A3066B8C18DB0A7D3@MSP-MAIL01.IR> I vote for a BeOs mailing list..... Or maybe Amiga OS... But to clay's comment, I like to see the open albeit biased discussions here. -----Original Message----- From: Clay Fandre [mailto:clay@fandre.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 10:05 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] tcp connections not closing properly Peter Lukas wrote: > > Upgrade to a *BSD. > OK guys. There's a lot of talk about switching to *BSD. Should we make this a *BSD mailing list? http://www.mn-linux.org/sympoll/polllist.php3?mypollid=6 _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kbullock at ringworld.org Wed Feb 7 10:54:27 2001 From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin R. Bullock) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help! Mailman on Debian In-Reply-To: <20010207064128.A24032@iaxs.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, Scott Raun wrote: > On Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 12:10:19AM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 10:01:59PM -0600, Scott Raun wrote: > > (Please wrap your text at <80 columns.) > I'm still researching that one - I'm slowly learning emacs, and haven't > quite gotten that far yet. But it's on the list! C-u 7 2 C-x f M-q Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa Kevin R. Bullock From goldman at htc.honeywell.com Wed Feb 7 11:01:30 2001 From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Distro madness In-Reply-To: References: <20010206162519.B89652@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <14977.32618.800038.281610@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> >>>>> "t" == tim writes: >> Any suggestions on a tight, fast OS to >> accomodate my needs? t> DOS is the only thing old enough to fit confortably inside of t> 60MB, and there is no shortage of applications available for t> it. (I guess there's even a DOS web browser now! Who knew!) Of course, for the true Open Source fanatic, there's always FreeDOS.... R From peter at math.umn.edu Wed Feb 7 11:02:54 2001 From: peter at math.umn.edu (Peter Lukas) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tcp connections not closing properly In-Reply-To: <3A817235.ACCE7BF0@fandre.com> Message-ID: How about an open-systems discussion list? Peter Lukas On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, Clay Fandre wrote: > Peter Lukas wrote: > > > > Upgrade to a *BSD. > > > > OK guys. There's a lot of talk about switching to *BSD. Should we make > this a *BSD mailing list? > > http://www.mn-linux.org/sympoll/polllist.php3?mypollid=6 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From andy at theasis.com Wed Feb 7 11:03:14 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Emacs and columns. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > > (Please wrap your text at <80 columns.) > > I'm still researching that one - I'm slowly learning emacs, and haven't > > quite gotten that far yet. But it's on the list! > My usual method is to just use emacs in X, in Text Fill mode, and size the window width accordingly. > C-u 7 2 C-x f M-q Fancy. How do you set it in the .emacs file? Andy From andyzb at ltiflex.com Wed Feb 7 11:07:33 2001 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Distro madness References: <20010206162519.B89652@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <20010207084527.C7149@pchelka.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3A8180D5.24237C69@ltiflex.com> > ftp://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/, or if you want to wait > till the next meeting someone would probably loan you their old CDs > (I would if I ever made it to meeetings ;) ). I'd give you mine, but I don't think they survived being thrown at my roomates and neighbors while I was in the dorms. :) I did manage to cram Bo on 100mb drive for use as an Xterm, so getting down to 40mb might just be possible. (I think I had a little room left over even.) Good luck! -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: andyzb.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 367 bytes Desc: Card for Andy Zbikowski Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010207/2e5be3e1/andyzb.vcf From natecars at real-time.com Wed Feb 7 11:12:44 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BIND 8.2.3? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 6 Feb 2001, Yaron wrote: > Anyone having... weird problems with bind 8.2.3? I upgraded to it (from > 8.2.2_pl5) about a week and a bit ago, and today I've been told I'm > _hijacking_ domains I'm doing secondary DNS for! Some when I'm even not > LISTED as secondary for the domain, are STILL being pointed to MY primary > IP address for NO reason! > > This is RPM bind and self-built bind... That's not your fault. If someone is pointing their domain to your server, that's their problem. :) Here's all the domains (at network solutions) pointed at your NS: Amy Vickers (RANDOM-WORD-DOM) RANDOM-WORD.COM Hackers LTD, Israel (HACKERS-UNLIMITED3-DOM) HACKERS-UNLIMITED.COM Karny Ben-Yehuda (BLIXA3-DOM) BLIXA.ORG Scalable Solutions (SCSO-DOM) SCSO.COM Ury Segal (LINUXQA-DOM) LINUXQA.ORG Ury Segal (LINUXQA2-DOM) LINUXQA.NET Yaron Hemi (FREAKZILLA3-DOM) FREAKZILLA.COM Yaron Hemi (YARON4-DOM) YARON.ORG -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Feb 7 11:24:11 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Distro madness References: Message-ID: <3A8184BB.F7BECB1A@tc.umn.edu> Brian wrote: > > I'm not looking to start a war here but I'm looking for comments / > suggestions on a good distro. I've got a 386 laptop with 4 MB RAM and a 60 > MB hard drive. The real solution here would be "upgrade your laptop", > but this is what I have. My primary use for this machine is Cisco work. I > basically need a laptop that has VT100 terminal emulation (minicom is > nice), dialup, and ethernet capability. I need something light, fast, and > stable as my laptop is none of these. I've been born and raised on Redhat > but dabbled with Debian. Slack is beyond my understanding. FreeBSD is > just plain obscure. Any suggestions on a tight, fast OS to accomodate my > needs? There are a number of small distributions listed on this page: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/ Not all of them are small, obviously, but there are a few. Also, you might want to try modifying ZipSlack (variant of Slackware that takes up less than 100 MB) for your needs: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/slackware/zipslack/ Or, if you're bored, have some shell programming skills, and know how to use `which', `ldd', and `strip', you can roll your own (`man init' would be the place to start). Of course, considering that you only have 4MB of RAM, you might want to ditch bash as a shell and go with something a little smaller. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Eat drink and be merry, / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ for tomorrow they may \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) make it illegal. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Feb 7 12:14:55 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BIND 8.2.3? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > > This is RPM bind and self-built bind... > That's not your fault. If someone is pointing their domain to your server, > that's their problem. :) Yeah, I know that, except: (A) They're pointing to me as secondary (B) BIND is NOT GIVING THE RIGHT INFO. It's telling people that, well, for example, anything.HACKERS-UNLIMITED.COM is _my_ IP address. (C) It has hijacked domains that are NOT pointing at me, but which used to. Either way, bind9 seems to work, and the SPARCclassic I want to use for internal DNS managed to get through an install... so we'll see. -Yaron -- From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Wed Feb 7 12:26:16 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Distro madness In-Reply-To: <20010206162519.B89652@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 6 Feb 2001 dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > You'll be _really_ lucky to get Linux in a useable state with only 4 MB of > RAM and on a 60 MB harddrive. Older version of Slackware (<= 3.4, maybe), > _might_ fit, but the install will be a bitch. The problem with going with > an old version is that laptop support will suck. > > You're right, the real solution is upgrade your laptop. Unfortunately, I'd > say it's most likely your only solution. > > But.. I've been called a pessimist. One might look at the 4mb-Laptops HOWTO. It is for just this sort of thing. You won't want X For a test, try booting up tomsrtbt. The key here is the definition of "useable" state. As has been mentioned, Linux (a multi-user multitasking OS) is not really called for for your router terminal apps. Frankly, being that I hate DOS, I'd dig out some of my old CP/M stuff! Cheers, Phil M -- "He who hesitates last gets the worm" -- PM From gregory.siems at pca.state.mn.us Wed Feb 7 12:32:30 2001 From: gregory.siems at pca.state.mn.us (Siems, Gregory) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Distro madness Message-ID: http://directory.google.com/Top/Computers/Software/Operating_Systems/Linux/Distributions/Tiny_Linux/ > ---------- > From: Philip C Mendelsohn[SMTP:mend0070@tc.umn.edu] > Reply To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 12:26 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] [OT] Distro madness > > On Tue, 6 Feb 2001 dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > > > You'll be _really_ lucky to get Linux in a useable state with only 4 MB of > > RAM and on a 60 MB harddrive. Older version of Slackware (<= 3.4, maybe), > > _might_ fit, but the install will be a bitch. The problem with going with > > an old version is that laptop support will suck. > > > > You're right, the real solution is upgrade your laptop. Unfortunately, I'd > > say it's most likely your only solution. > > > > But.. I've been called a pessimist. > > One might look at the 4mb-Laptops HOWTO. It is for just this sort of > thing. You won't want X For a test, try booting up tomsrtbt. The key > here is the definition of "useable" state. > > As has been mentioned, Linux (a multi-user multitasking OS) is not really > called for for your router terminal apps. Frankly, being that I hate DOS, > I'd dig out some of my old CP/M stuff! > > Cheers, > Phil M > > -- > "He who hesitates last gets the worm" -- PM > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From goldman at htc.honeywell.com Wed Feb 7 12:33:03 2001 From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Emacs and columns. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <14977.38111.231323.110378@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> >>>>> "a" == andy writes: >> > > (Please wrap your text at <80 columns.) > I'm still >> researching that one - I'm slowly learning emacs, and haven't > >> quite gotten that far yet. But it's on the list! >> a> My usual method is to just use emacs in X, in Text Fill mode, a> and size the window width accordingly. >> C-u 7 2 C-x f M-q a> Fancy. How do you set it in the .emacs file? a> Andy (set-fill-column 72) Probably you want to do something like (add-hook 'mail-mode-hook (function (lambda () (set-fill-column 72)))) or in whatever mode you use to edit your outgoing mail. From ben at nerp.net Wed Feb 7 12:43:21 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BIND 8.2.3? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: what is the whois syntax you did to get that list? Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Tue, 6 Feb 2001, Yaron wrote: > > Anyone having... weird problems with bind 8.2.3? I upgraded to it (from > > 8.2.2_pl5) about a week and a bit ago, and today I've been told I'm > > _hijacking_ domains I'm doing secondary DNS for! Some when I'm even not > > LISTED as secondary for the domain, are STILL being pointed to MY primary > > IP address for NO reason! > > > > This is RPM bind and self-built bind... > > That's not your fault. If someone is pointing their domain to your server, > that's their problem. :) > > Here's all the domains (at network solutions) pointed at your NS: > > Amy Vickers (RANDOM-WORD-DOM) RANDOM-WORD.COM > Hackers LTD, Israel (HACKERS-UNLIMITED3-DOM) HACKERS-UNLIMITED.COM > Karny Ben-Yehuda (BLIXA3-DOM) BLIXA.ORG > Scalable Solutions (SCSO-DOM) SCSO.COM > Ury Segal (LINUXQA-DOM) LINUXQA.ORG > Ury Segal (LINUXQA2-DOM) LINUXQA.NET > Yaron Hemi (FREAKZILLA3-DOM) FREAKZILLA.COM > Yaron Hemi (YARON4-DOM) YARON.ORG > > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From sgrobe at mn.rr.com Wed Feb 7 12:48:41 2001 From: sgrobe at mn.rr.com (Steve Grobe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake 7.2 and AWE 64 References: Message-ID: <3A819889.24FEF09@mn.rr.com> Thanks for the help, my settings needed to be a little different then the ones you gave me but once I knew where to look I was able to fiddle with it and get it to work. Note that I'm thanking you because: I am feeling thankful that you were feeling generous. I didn't know what I was doing and you were able to help. I wasn't having much luck with HOWTOs either. I was in need of a freebie. Thanks. SG, O.S.D. "Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)" wrote: > > Here's all that I remember, in theory this should be all the right > settings... > > Note that I'm giving you the configs because: > I'm feeling generous > I happend to have them all handy > and finially, > I can't find the HOWTO I used to get this all working in the first place. > So enjoy the freebie but remember it's probally in your best interest to > figure out how to do this on your own. :) > > this is all the lines uncommented in my /etc/isapnp.conf: -- When you consider who I am, I am doing pretty good. From sraun at fireopal.org Wed Feb 7 12:52:58 2001 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help! Mailman on Debian In-Reply-To: <20010207001019.A25846@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 12:10:19AM -0600 References: <20010206220159.B22519@iaxs.net> <20010207001019.A25846@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20010207125258.A25346@iaxs.net> On Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 12:10:19AM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote: > I dealt with that by creating a symlink named 'mailman' in > /usr/share/apache/images/ which points at /usr/doc/mailman/images/. This > way, the existing links to http://host/images/mailman/* work as-is. Tried that - Still don't see any images. I've tried all of the following: DELIVERED_BY_URL = '/usr/doc/mailman/images/mailman.jpg' DELIVERED_BY_URL = '/var/www/images/mailman.jpg' DELIVERED_BY_URL = 'images/mailman.jpg' DELIVERED_BY_URL = 'mailman.jpg' There are copies of the jpg as follows: 207374 2 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2022 Nov 1 1999 \ /usr/share/doc/mailman/images/mailman.jpg 238934 29 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 28962 Jun 1 1998 \ /usr/share/doc/mailman/html/images/mailman.jpg 62804 2 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2022 Feb 6 20:48 \ /var/www/images/mailman.jpg Oh, now THAT'S interesting. Three different generations of the file? I just deleted the /var/www and replaced it with a symlink to the Nov 1, 1999 version - didn't make any difference. I'm to the point now where I'm going to go research the Debian list archives, and maybe see what I can find in the Apache docs & support. > Uncomment the "user = list" line. (If it's not there, add it.) That fixed that problem! My subscribe confirmations are now working. -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From natecars at real-time.com Wed Feb 7 13:03:50 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BIND 8.2.3? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, Yaron wrote: > Yeah, I know that, except: > > (A) They're pointing to me as secondary > (B) BIND is NOT GIVING THE RIGHT INFO. It's telling people that, well, for > example, anything.HACKERS-UNLIMITED.COM is _my_ IP address. > (C) It has hijacked domains that are NOT pointing at me, but which used > to. Hmmm.. so the zone is totally not configured in named.conf? > Either way, bind9 seems to work, and the SPARCclassic I want to use for > internal DNS managed to get through an install... so we'll see. Heh, cool. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Wed Feb 7 13:04:18 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BIND 8.2.3? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, Ben Kochie wrote: > what is the whois syntax you did to get that list? whois host hostname.of.dns.server whois server nic.handle.of.dns.server -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Feb 7 13:07:28 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BIND 8.2.3? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > Hmmm.. so the zone is totally not configured in named.conf? It is, as type = slave. > Heh, cool. Yeah, been compiling OpenSSL for the past 3 hours... -Yaron -- From ecrist at ardent-hacker.net Wed Feb 7 13:29:54 2001 From: ecrist at ardent-hacker.net (Eric F Crist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BIND 8.2.3? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01020713295403.38706@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Ok, I'm not understanding. I run a very limited DNS server, for a few domains. what, exactly, would I type, for example to pull up who I'm doing DNS for? Assuming I'm not me.... Eric On Wednesday 07 February 2001 13:04, you wrote: > On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, Ben Kochie wrote: > > what is the whois syntax you did to get that list? > > whois host hostname.of.dns.server > whois server nic.handle.of.dns.server - -- Eric F Crist System Administrator Ardent-Hacker.net Secure-Computing.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.1i iQEVAwUBOoGUI1Y1QwxgidsZAQGAQQf9EjvFPKWNGvF5RYao7WKXTjWeWcc6n95o /81sgH0grrQvCV9PfbfC8H0VTfo4x8tJl4p4wzxEWZ71/Nbw+THJpLU8Apf4jiz9 AwOx4lqc6/xd1rQMXgDgR8jGa0atTL1/gjIBc3Fk6qBwrI25afwu0AvdssHDK9Ce 5GBuH8sNlw9JKYLrVOGwzhjm0w8dn4PgyGzu/R+7Xu5tS2hlTtUrwbljeEYGQnTE LXyQfLLC2evMLkvCouqtqX6VhgdEno05uyoItMj5TwwLX8yXnjXbmX08Wb/lQFGW k8eE8vtrwwx2lgul/xrX9OshNWntW37XxCrXEPmrtVjlJhR+AHm/hQ== =FepX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From kbullock at ringworld.org Wed Feb 7 14:20:41 2001 From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin R. Bullock) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Distro madness In-Reply-To: <3A8184BB.F7BECB1A@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, Michael Hicks wrote: > Or, if you're bored, have some shell programming skills, and know how to > use `which', `ldd', and `strip', you can roll your own (`man init' would > be the place to start). Of course, considering that you only have 4MB > of RAM, you might want to ditch bash as a shell and go with something a > little smaller. If you're going to do it this way, I would highly recommend looking at busybox (search for it on freshmeat). It provides over a hundred of the standard *nix utils (IIRC), including init and sh. It was originally written for the Debian installer, but obviously has more general applications. Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa Kevin R. Bullock From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Feb 7 14:20:53 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BIND (not) 8.2.3 Message-ID: Hi, Ok, I've tried this with bind 9.1.0 too... here's what's going on. I've got my gateway machine doing DNS. It's called Tiger. If I do queries from INSIDE my network, everything's ok. For example, I'm secondarying zman.cx: -- > server 127.0.0.1 Default Server: localhost Address: 127.0.0.1 > www.zman.cx Server: localhost Address: 127.0.0.1 Name: zman.cx Address: 209.98.246.209 Aliases: www.zman.cx -- However, if I do the same thing from OUTSIDE, I get this: -- > server 206.147.104.200 ( <-- my public IP address ) Default Server: beldaren.yaron.org Address: 206.147.104.200 > www.zman.cx Server: beldaren.yaron.org Address: 206.147.104.200 Name: zman.cx Address: 206.147.104.200 ( <-- This is MY address!!! ) Aliases: www.zman.cx -- This all started when I switched my DSL router into PPP mode, btw, which is basically NATting everything to the inside... but that shouldn't change DNS query results! Anyone have a clue for me? -Yaron -- From tanner at real-time.com Wed Feb 7 14:33:17 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BIND (not) 8.2.3 In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 02:20:53PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20010207143317.R1523@real-time.com> Quoting Yaron (jethro@freakzilla.com): > Hi, > > Ok, I've tried this with bind 9.1.0 too... here's what's going on. > > > I've got my gateway machine doing DNS. It's called Tiger. > > If I do queries from INSIDE my network, everything's ok. For example, I'm > secondarying zman.cx: You want 1 DNS server to be SOA for some public accessiable domains AND also be SOA for your internal network as well? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thing is, when you query the outside DNS server from OUTSIDE my network, and ask it about stuff I'm secondary for, it gives MY IP instead of the secondary. However, when you query the outside DNS server from INSIDE my network (seperate machines so I know I'm going to the right one) it resolves secondary domains correctly. -Yaron -- From lxy at cloudnet.com Wed Feb 7 14:36:48 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Distro madness In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, Michael Hicks wrote: > > Or, if you're bored, have some shell programming skills, and know how to > > use `which', `ldd', and `strip', you can roll your own (`man init' would > > be the place to start). Of course, considering that you only have 4MB > > of RAM, you might want to ditch bash as a shell and go with something a > > little smaller. To which Kevin replied: > If you're going to do it this way, I would highly recommend looking at > busybox (search for it on freshmeat). It provides over a hundred of the > standard *nix utils (IIRC), including init and sh. It was originally > written for the Debian installer, but obviously has more general > applications. Thanks for all the ideas! I'm considering using DOS but after playing with Debian last night I think I can make it fit. I've got Slink 2.1, running kernel 2.0.38 or something really old. There's a low memory bootdisk image for systems with 2 MB RAM, I might try that tonight. I'm also considering "rolling my own". I guess I'll just try some of this stuff and see what works best. While I want this laptop to be functional, I also want to have fun getting it that way. Installing DOS is something I do every day at work, it's time for a new challenge. -Brian From clay at fandre.com Wed Feb 7 16:32:55 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tcp connections not closing properly References: Message-ID: <3A81CD17.83D44BC9@fandre.com> Peter Lukas wrote: > > How about an open-systems discussion list? > > Peter Lukas That's all I need. Another mailing list to be subscribed to. I'm already spending about 1/2 my day just reading email. But what do I know... > > On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > Peter Lukas wrote: > > > > > > Upgrade to a *BSD. > > > > > > > OK guys. There's a lot of talk about switching to *BSD. Should we make > > this a *BSD mailing list? > > From jsowers at osii.com Wed Feb 7 16:42:16 2001 From: jsowers at osii.com (Jason Sowers) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tcp connections not closing properly In-Reply-To: <3A81CD17.83D44BC9@fandre.com> Message-ID: I agree. Between this list, SCALUG, and all the crap Cisco sends me, I get enough e-mail. Let's not forget, one must read slashdot. Someone could actually spend an 8 hour day just reading stuff. If only I could find someone to pay me for all that.... ____________________________________ Jason Sowers Network Engineer Open Systems International 3600 Holly Lane North Suite 40 Minneapolis, MN 55447-1286 Phone: (763) 551-0559 Fax: (763) 551-1750 Email: jsowers@osii.com http: www.osii.com & www.e-scada.com -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Clay Fandre Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 4:33 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] tcp connections not closing properly Peter Lukas wrote: > > How about an open-systems discussion list? > > Peter Lukas That's all I need. Another mailing list to be subscribed to. I'm already spending about 1/2 my day just reading email. But what do I know... > > On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > Peter Lukas wrote: > > > > > > Upgrade to a *BSD. > > > > > > > OK guys. There's a lot of talk about switching to *BSD. Should we make > > this a *BSD mailing list? > > _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Feb 7 16:57:38 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tcp connections not closing properly References: Message-ID: <3A81D2E2.5AF801E5@tc.umn.edu> Jason Sowers wrote: > > I agree. Between this list, SCALUG, and all the crap Cisco sends me, I get > enough e-mail. Let's not forget, one must read slashdot. Someone could > actually spend an 8 hour day just reading stuff. If only I could find > someone to pay me for all that.... You don't? (just kidding ;-) The closest match I can see for that is reporter. Of course, to do that, you have to be able to write stuff worth reading.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ BREAKFAST.COM Halted... / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Cereal Port Not \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) Responding. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Feb 7 17:11:43 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sistina Impromptu Installfest Message-ID: <20010207171142.A3292@minime.sistina.com> Hi all, thought you might be interested in this. Sistina has recently hired some individuals with no linux experience who are interested in learning. Since we are an open source company I figured it'd we'd do something nice. We are going to hold an impromptu installfest for the new users and would like to invite those of you who would like to join us. It'll probably not happen for 2 or 3 weeks and it'll be on a saturday or sunday. Basically we'll have some tables setup, some network access, and a few install cd's handy and we'll attempt to help you get set up. It'll be quite informal and probably won't be any food or beverages like the LUG installfests have as this isn't an official sistina thing, I am doing it for our employees and figured I'd invite you all as well. More details to follow, please send me a mail so I can tell if anyone is interested. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We > are going to hold an impromptu installfest for the new users and would like to > invite those of you who would like to join us. It'll probably not happen for 2 > or 3 weeks and it'll be on a saturday or sunday. Basically we'll have some > tables setup, some network access, and a few install cd's handy and we'll > attempt to help you get set up. It'll be quite informal and probably won't be > any food or beverages like the LUG installfests have as this isn't an official > sistina thing, I am doing it for our employees and figured I'd invite you all > as well. More details to follow, please send me a mail so I can tell if anyone > is interested. > > -- > Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 > Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 > System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ > > Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ From tobytoo at black-hole.com Wed Feb 7 17:40:22 2001 From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (b. toberman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sistina Impromptu Installfest References: <20010207171142.A3292@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <3A81DCE6.39794594@black-hole.com> I'd be interested, sounds like fun, BTW which distro. Ben Lutgens wrote: > Hi all, thought you might be interested in this. Sistina has recently hired > some individuals with no linux experience who are interested in learning. > Since we are an open source company I figured it'd we'd do something nice. We > are going to hold an impromptu installfest for the new users and would like to > invite those of you who would like to join us. It'll probably not happen for 2 > or 3 weeks and it'll be on a saturday or sunday. Basically we'll have some > tables setup, some network access, and a few install cd's handy and we'll > attempt to help you get set up. It'll be quite informal and probably won't be > any food or beverages like the LUG installfests have as this isn't an official > sistina thing, I am doing it for our employees and figured I'd invite you all > as well. More details to follow, please send me a mail so I can tell if anyone > is interested. > > -- > Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 > Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 > System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ > > Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Feb 7 17:53:48 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sistina Impromptu Installfest In-Reply-To: <3A81DCBD.D9220F48@usfamily.net>; from drew@usfamily.net on Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 05:39:41PM -0600 References: <20010207171142.A3292@minime.sistina.com> <3A81DCBD.D9220F48@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <20010207175348.A4039@minime.sistina.com> On Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 05:39:41PM -0600, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: >Its about time that we had an install fest. Maybe some one will be able to help >me with my PCMCIA problem. Anyway as long as its after Feb.18th I'm in. > Please keep in mind that this is not an official LUG installfest. Unless Bob, and Clay wouldn't mind working with me and providing my Boss Approves :-) we could maybe make it a little more official. > >Ben Lutgens wrote: > >> Hi all, thought you might be interested in this. Sistina has recently hired >> some individuals with no linux experience who are interested in learning. >> Since we are an open source company I figured it'd we'd do something nice. We >> are going to hold an impromptu installfest for the new users and would like to >> invite those of you who would like to join us. It'll probably not happen for 2 >> or 3 weeks and it'll be on a saturday or sunday. Basically we'll have some >> tables setup, some network access, and a few install cd's handy and we'll >> attempt to help you get set up. It'll be quite informal and probably won't be >> any food or beverages like the LUG installfests have as this isn't an official >> sistina thing, I am doing it for our employees and figured I'd invite you all >> as well. More details to follow, please send me a mail so I can tell if anyone >> is interested. >> >> -- >> Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 >> Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 >> System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ >> >> Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature > > > >------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010207/d471934f/attachment.pgp From destef at destef.com Wed Feb 7 19:33:00 2001 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UltraSparc 2's In-Reply-To: <200102070101.f1711Zo05946@destef.com> References: Message-ID: <200102080132.f181Wgo06925@destef.com> Since there's obviously some interest I'll get back to you all with the specs and prices when I get a chance. Hang tight... At 07:01 PM 2/6/01 -0600, you wrote: >I have a couple of UltraSparc 2's with 21inch monitors at >work that might need a new home. I dont have the specs yet >and was wondering if there is enough interest from anyone >for me to dig them out of the closet and see if my mgr will >part with them. Would probably come with some software >I think. > >Any interest? > > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From clay at fandre.com Wed Feb 7 19:34:59 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sistina Impromptu Installfest References: <20010207171142.A3292@minime.sistina.com> <3A81DCBD.D9220F48@usfamily.net> <20010207175348.A4039@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <3A81F7C3.516CF9DE@fandre.com> Ben Lutgens wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 05:39:41PM -0600, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > >Its about time that we had an install fest. Maybe some one will be able to help > >me with my PCMCIA problem. Anyway as long as its after Feb.18th I'm in. > > > > Please keep in mind that this is not an official LUG installfest. Unless Bob, > and Clay wouldn't mind working with me and providing my Boss Approves :-) we > could maybe make it a little more official. > You guys do know that we are having an OFFICIAL installfest on March 3rd, don't you? Don't you check out the events webpage once in a while? Get with it guys. http://www.mn-linux.org/events/ Isn't this soon enough, Ben? From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Feb 7 22:15:49 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sistina Impromptu Installfest In-Reply-To: <3A81F7C3.516CF9DE@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 07:34:59PM -0600 References: <20010207171142.A3292@minime.sistina.com> <3A81DCBD.D9220F48@usfamily.net> <20010207175348.A4039@minime.sistina.com> <3A81F7C3.516CF9DE@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20010207221549.A566@minime.sistina.com> On Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 07:34:59PM -0600, Clay Fandre wrote: >Ben Lutgens wrote: >> >You guys do know that we are having an OFFICIAL installfest on March >3rd, don't you? Don't you check out the events webpage once in a while? >Get with it guys. http://www.mn-linux.org/events/ Doh! Well this was something that Tom and I Dreamed up on the way to work, and I thought, "Hrm, only be a couple people from the company....I could get at least 15 more people in, I'll invite the LUG" Perhaps I can convince the people in my company to all convoy over. I could help someone install GFS or LVM if they wanted. > >Isn't this soon enough, Ben? I gotta check our schedule but that might work. Can we possibly do the next one at Sistina? It's in Dinkytown so it's not the greatest location. >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010207/725a7fbe/attachment.pgp From jacque at fruitioninc.com Wed Feb 7 22:18:38 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sistina Impromptu Installfest In-Reply-To: <20010207221549.A566@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: Are we going to change the location? I just finshed the posters... ~j > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Ben Lutgens > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 10:16 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Sistina Impromptu Installfest > > > On Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 07:34:59PM -0600, Clay Fandre wrote: > >Ben Lutgens wrote: > >> > >You guys do know that we are having an OFFICIAL installfest on March > >3rd, don't you? Don't you check out the events webpage once in a while? > >Get with it guys. http://www.mn-linux.org/events/ > > Doh! Well this was something that Tom and I Dreamed up on the way > to work, and > I thought, "Hrm, only be a couple people from the company....I > could get at > least 15 more people in, I'll invite the LUG" > > Perhaps I can convince the people in my company to all convoy > over. I could > help someone install GFS or LVM if they wanted. > > > > >Isn't this soon enough, Ben? > > I gotta check our schedule but that might work. Can we possibly > do the next > one at Sistina? It's in Dinkytown so it's not the greatest location. > > >_______________________________________________ > >tclug-list mailing list > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- > Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 > Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 > System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ > > Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details > From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Feb 7 23:01:39 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sistina Impromptu Installfest In-Reply-To: ; from jacque@fruitioninc.com on Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 10:18:38PM -0600 References: <20010207221549.A566@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010207230139.A1501@minime.sistina.com> On Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 10:18:38PM -0600, Jacqueline Urick wrote: >Are we going to change the location? I just finshed the posters... No, I mean the _next_ one. Not the upcomming one. Sorry, I should have been more specific. > >~j > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org >> [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Ben Lutgens >> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 10:16 PM >> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Sistina Impromptu Installfest >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 07:34:59PM -0600, Clay Fandre wrote: >> >Ben Lutgens wrote: >> >> >> >You guys do know that we are having an OFFICIAL installfest on March >> >3rd, don't you? Don't you check out the events webpage once in a while? >> >Get with it guys. http://www.mn-linux.org/events/ >> >> Doh! Well this was something that Tom and I Dreamed up on the way >> to work, and >> I thought, "Hrm, only be a couple people from the company....I >> could get at >> least 15 more people in, I'll invite the LUG" >> >> Perhaps I can convince the people in my company to all convoy >> over. I could >> help someone install GFS or LVM if they wanted. >> >> > >> >Isn't this soon enough, Ben? >> >> I gotta check our schedule but that might work. Can we possibly >> do the next >> one at Sistina? It's in Dinkytown so it's not the greatest location. >> >> >_______________________________________________ >> >tclug-list mailing list >> >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> -- >> Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 >> Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 >> System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ >> >> Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details >> >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010207/85e2126b/attachment.pgp From jacque at fruitioninc.com Wed Feb 7 23:02:13 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sistina Impromptu Installfest In-Reply-To: <20010207230139.A1501@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: uh, you mean the one after the next one, I think.. ;o) ~j > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Ben Lutgens > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 11:02 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Sistina Impromptu Installfest > > > On Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 10:18:38PM -0600, Jacqueline Urick wrote: > >Are we going to change the location? I just finshed the posters... > > No, I mean the _next_ one. Not the upcomming one. Sorry, I should > have been > more specific. > > > > >~j > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > >> [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Ben Lutgens > >> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 10:16 PM > >> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Sistina Impromptu Installfest > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 07:34:59PM -0600, Clay Fandre wrote: > >> >Ben Lutgens wrote: > >> >> > >> >You guys do know that we are having an OFFICIAL installfest on March > >> >3rd, don't you? Don't you check out the events webpage once > in a while? > >> >Get with it guys. http://www.mn-linux.org/events/ > >> > >> Doh! Well this was something that Tom and I Dreamed up on the way > >> to work, and > >> I thought, "Hrm, only be a couple people from the company....I > >> could get at > >> least 15 more people in, I'll invite the LUG" > >> > >> Perhaps I can convince the people in my company to all convoy > >> over. I could > >> help someone install GFS or LVM if they wanted. > >> > >> > > >> >Isn't this soon enough, Ben? > >> > >> I gotta check our schedule but that might work. Can we possibly > >> do the next > >> one at Sistina? It's in Dinkytown so it's not the greatest location. > >> > >> >_______________________________________________ > >> >tclug-list mailing list > >> >tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >> >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >> > >> -- > >> Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet > bofh.jive.org 666 > >> Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 > >> System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ > >> > >> Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html > for details > >> > >_______________________________________________ > >tclug-list mailing list > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- > Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 > Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 > System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ > > Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details > From jts at tc.umn.edu Wed Feb 7 23:56:54 2001 From: jts at tc.umn.edu (Joel T Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] new - Linuxcare BBC v1.5 Message-ID: Linuxcare has released a Bootable Business Card (BBC) ISO: http://open-projects.linuxcare.com/BBC/download.epl Change Log Version 1.5 is a developer snapshot release. See the ERRATA file for the list of improvements but some are up to you to discover. (Hint if you are connected to the Internet type "news" from the command line. It contains the following fixes and enhancements: Mozilla is a nice friendly browser and replaces Amaya Frame Buffer for a nice X and much more hardware support. Bunny a troublesome bunny overwrites your screen. Bash completion added Pilot -Link added to rescue your palm. bash updated cmostool access the cmos of a running system Reiser file system support added. Perl added gpart added ipchains added wireless 802.11 support added iptraf for network trafic Black Box window manager Joel ---------- Check out Blue Man Group: http://www.blueman.com/ From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Feb 8 00:40:28 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] #@%^ DNS/NAT Message-ID: Hi, Is anyone running their own DNS on a mchine sitting behind a Cisco 675 which is doing static NAT? If so, feel like helping me test a theory? -Yaron -- From sraun at fireopal.org Thu Feb 8 06:47:16 2001 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] #@%^ DNS/NAT In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Thu, Feb 08, 2001 at 12:40:28AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20010208064716.A28706@iaxs.net> On Thu, Feb 08, 2001 at 12:40:28AM -0600, Yaron wrote: > > Is anyone running their own DNS on a mchine sitting behind a Cisco 675 > which is doing static NAT? If so, feel like helping me test a theory? Not yet, but it's on my "to do sometime" list. If you confirm a problem, please let me know? If you don't get a volunteer before Sunday, you might ask me again. I may have a block of time available then. Oh, yeah - I may know someone too. -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From peter at math.umn.edu Thu Feb 8 07:33:49 2001 From: peter at math.umn.edu (Peter Lukas) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tcp connections not closing properly - Really RE: TOPICS In-Reply-To: <3A81D2E2.5AF801E5@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: How about expanding the scope of the discussion list to be more open-systems friendly, then? Peter Lukas On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, Michael Hicks wrote: > Jason Sowers wrote: > > > > I agree. Between this list, SCALUG, and all the crap Cisco sends me, I get > > enough e-mail. Let's not forget, one must read slashdot. Someone could > > actually spend an 8 hour day just reading stuff. If only I could find > > someone to pay me for all that.... > > You don't? (just kidding ;-) > > The closest match I can see for that is reporter. Of course, to do > that, you have to be able to write stuff worth reading.. > > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ BREAKFAST.COM Halted... > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Cereal Port Not > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) Responding. > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From peter at math.umn.edu Thu Feb 8 07:35:23 2001 From: peter at math.umn.edu (Peter Lukas) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PHP and Other Fun Stuff Expensive Software Can't Do. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Does anyone on the list have extensive experience with PHP/PostgreSQL and other dynamic content generation utilities? Let me know off-list. Peter Lukas On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, Jacqueline Urick wrote: > uh, you mean the one after the next one, I think.. ;o) > > ~j > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Ben Lutgens > > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 11:02 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Sistina Impromptu Installfest > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 10:18:38PM -0600, Jacqueline Urick wrote: > > >Are we going to change the location? I just finshed the posters... > > > > No, I mean the _next_ one. Not the upcomming one. Sorry, I should > > have been > > more specific. > > > > > > > >~j > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > > >> [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Ben Lutgens > > >> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 10:16 PM > > >> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > >> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Sistina Impromptu Installfest > > >> > > >> > > >> On Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 07:34:59PM -0600, Clay Fandre wrote: > > >> >Ben Lutgens wrote: > > >> >> > > >> >You guys do know that we are having an OFFICIAL installfest on March > > >> >3rd, don't you? Don't you check out the events webpage once > > in a while? > > >> >Get with it guys. http://www.mn-linux.org/events/ > > >> > > >> Doh! Well this was something that Tom and I Dreamed up on the way > > >> to work, and > > >> I thought, "Hrm, only be a couple people from the company....I > > >> could get at > > >> least 15 more people in, I'll invite the LUG" > > >> > > >> Perhaps I can convince the people in my company to all convoy > > >> over. I could > > >> help someone install GFS or LVM if they wanted. > > >> > > >> > > > >> >Isn't this soon enough, Ben? > > >> > > >> I gotta check our schedule but that might work. Can we possibly > > >> do the next > > >> one at Sistina? It's in Dinkytown so it's not the greatest location. > > >> > > >> >_______________________________________________ > > >> >tclug-list mailing list > > >> >tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > >> >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet > > bofh.jive.org 666 > > >> Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 > > >> System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ > > >> > > >> Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html > > for details > > >> > > >_______________________________________________ > > >tclug-list mailing list > > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > -- > > Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 > > Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 > > System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ > > > > Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From sass at sistina.com Thu Feb 8 07:48:11 2001 From: sass at sistina.com (Dave Sass) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [sistina] Sistina Impromptu Installfest In-Reply-To: <20010207171142.A3292@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: Ben - great idea - I look forward to learning how to run Linux! Dave Sass Vice President Business Development & Sales Sistina Software email: sass@sistina.com www.sistina.com 1313 5th Street S.E., Suite 111 Minneapolis, MN 55414 612-379-3951 Main 612-379-3952 fax 612-867-6402 cell For Directions: http://www.sistina.com/Pages/map.html -----Original Message----- From: sistina-admin@sistina.com [mailto:sistina-admin@sistina.com]On Behalf Of Ben Lutgens Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 5:12 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Cc: sistina@sistina.com Subject: [sistina] Sistina Impromptu Installfest Hi all, thought you might be interested in this. Sistina has recently hired some individuals with no linux experience who are interested in learning. Since we are an open source company I figured it'd we'd do something nice. We are going to hold an impromptu installfest for the new users and would like to invite those of you who would like to join us. It'll probably not happen for 2 or 3 weeks and it'll be on a saturday or sunday. Basically we'll have some tables setup, some network access, and a few install cd's handy and we'll attempt to help you get set up. It'll be quite informal and probably won't be any food or beverages like the LUG installfests have as this isn't an official sistina thing, I am doing it for our employees and figured I'd invite you all as well. More details to follow, please send me a mail so I can tell if anyone is interested. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details From scottdagastino at yahoo.com Thu Feb 8 09:51:10 2001 From: scottdagastino at yahoo.com (Scott Dagastino) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UltraSparc 2's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010208155110.49795.qmail@web9604.mail.yahoo.com> switch over to receiving email through mozilla!! --- Troy Johnson wrote: > I might be interested also, but I am but a poor > church mouse, so price is also _the_ issue for me. > > >>> destef@destef.com 02/06/01 07:01PM >>> > I have a couple of UltraSparc 2's with 21inch > monitors at > work that might need a new home. > > P.S. - I'm using GroupWise to write this. Is it as > irritating to read as email that is produced by > Outlook (default html, no line wrapping, ...)? I'm > also reading it through GroupWise so I might not be > able to tell. :-/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From scottdagastino at yahoo.com Thu Feb 8 09:51:50 2001 From: scottdagastino at yahoo.com (Scott Dagastino) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UltraSparc 2's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010208155150.33705.qmail@web9602.mail.yahoo.com> So does the state Health area do alot of java and linux? --- Troy Johnson wrote: > I might be interested also, but I am but a poor > church mouse, so price is also _the_ issue for me. > > >>> destef@destef.com 02/06/01 07:01PM >>> > I have a couple of UltraSparc 2's with 21inch > monitors at > work that might need a new home. > > P.S. - I'm using GroupWise to write this. Is it as > irritating to read as email that is produced by > Outlook (default html, no line wrapping, ...)? I'm > also reading it through GroupWise so I might not be > able to tell. :-/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From okeefe at sistina.com Thu Feb 8 13:46:30 2001 From: okeefe at sistina.com (okeefe@sistina.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [sistina] Sistina Impromptu Installfest In-Reply-To: <20010207171142.A3292@minime.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 05:11:43PM -0600 References: <20010207171142.A3292@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010208134630.C14958@sistina.com> Buy as much food (and beer afterward) as you want: consider this an "official Sistina installfest". I suggest you overlap it with the EMG guys so that you don't have to do double-duty. Thanks for this extra effort! Matt On Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 05:11:43PM -0600, Ben Lutgens wrote: > Hi all, thought you might be interested in this. Sistina has recently hired > some individuals with no linux experience who are interested in learning. > Since we are an open source company I figured it'd we'd do something nice. We > are going to hold an impromptu installfest for the new users and would like to > invite those of you who would like to join us. It'll probably not happen for 2 > or 3 weeks and it'll be on a saturday or sunday. Basically we'll have some > tables setup, some network access, and a few install cd's handy and we'll > attempt to help you get set up. It'll be quite informal and probably won't be > any food or beverages like the LUG installfests have as this isn't an official > sistina thing, I am doing it for our employees and figured I'd invite you all > as well. More details to follow, please send me a mail so I can tell if anyone > is interested. > > -- > Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 > Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 > System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ > > Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details From natecars at real-time.com Thu Feb 8 13:53:35 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BIND 8.2.3? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, Yaron wrote: > > Hmmm.. so the zone is totally not configured in named.conf? > > It is, as type = slave. Slaving is working fine for me on 8.2.3.. so you're saying that you are slaving the domain, but it's returning the wrong IP? Weird. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From clay at fandre.com Thu Feb 8 14:04:40 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [sistina] Sistina Impromptu Installfest References: <20010207171142.A3292@minime.sistina.com> <20010208134630.C14958@sistina.com> Message-ID: <3A82FBD8.B75DB604@fandre.com> So is this going to be seperate from the TCLUG installfest on March 3rd? If so, when and where will it be? (I love free beer.) okeefe@sistina.com wrote: > > Buy as much food (and beer afterward) as you want: consider > this an "official Sistina installfest". I suggest you > overlap it with the EMG guys so that you don't have to do double-duty. > > Thanks for this extra effort! > Matt > > On Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 05:11:43PM -0600, Ben Lutgens wrote: > > Hi all, thought you might be interested in this. Sistina has recently hired > > some individuals with no linux experience who are interested in learning. > > Since we are an open source company I figured it'd we'd do something nice. We > > are going to hold an impromptu installfest for the new users and would like to > > invite those of you who would like to join us. It'll probably not happen for 2 > > or 3 weeks and it'll be on a saturday or sunday. Basically we'll have some > > tables setup, some network access, and a few install cd's handy and we'll > > attempt to help you get set up. It'll be quite informal and probably won't be > > any food or beverages like the LUG installfests have as this isn't an official > > sistina thing, I am doing it for our employees and figured I'd invite you all > > as well. More details to follow, please send me a mail so I can tell if anyone > > is interested. From thudak at sistina.com Thu Feb 8 14:24:20 2001 From: thudak at sistina.com (Tom Hudak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [sistina] Sistina Impromptu Installfest In-Reply-To: <3A82FBD8.B75DB604@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Thu, Feb 08, 2001 at 02:04:40PM -0600 References: <20010207171142.A3292@minime.sistina.com> <20010208134630.C14958@sistina.com> <3A82FBD8.B75DB604@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20010208142420.A11486@cesium.sistina.com> On Thu, Feb 08, 2001 at 02:04:40PM -0600, Clay Fandre wrote: >So is this going to be seperate from the TCLUG installfest on March 3rd? >If so, when and where will it be? (I love free beer.) We have not decided on a final date as of yet, but we'll keep posting updates as we smooth this out a bit. > > >okeefe@sistina.com wrote: >> >> Buy as much food (and beer afterward) as you want: consider >> this an "official Sistina installfest". I suggest you >> overlap it with the EMG guys so that you don't have to do double-duty. >> >> Thanks for this extra effort! >> Matt >> >> On Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 05:11:43PM -0600, Ben Lutgens wrote: >> > Hi all, thought you might be interested in this. Sistina has recently hired >> > some individuals with no linux experience who are interested in learning. >> > Since we are an open source company I figured it'd we'd do something nice. We >> > are going to hold an impromptu installfest for the new users and would like to >> > invite those of you who would like to join us. It'll probably not happen for 2 >> > or 3 weeks and it'll be on a saturday or sunday. Basically we'll have some >> > tables setup, some network access, and a few install cd's handy and we'll >> > attempt to help you get set up. It'll be quite informal and probably won't be >> > any food or beverages like the LUG installfests have as this isn't an official >> > sistina thing, I am doing it for our employees and figured I'd invite you all >> > as well. More details to follow, please send me a mail so I can tell if anyone >> > is interested. >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Thomas J. Hudak Systems Administrator Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com Phone: 612.379.3951 Page: 612.318.1967 Fax: 612.379.3952 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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No, it doesn't sit for 30 mins :-) -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Feb 8 15:30:34 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BIND 8.2.3? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Thu, 8 Feb 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > Slaving is working fine for me on 8.2.3.. so you're saying that you are > slaving the domain, but it's returning the wrong IP? Weird. Ok, 9.1.0 does the same thing. And, ok, here's the deal. Query the DNS server from INSITE my network and you get correct results. Query the DNS server from OUTSIDE my network and it returns THE SAME IP FOR EVERY HOST, namely my public IP. This started when I switched the router to PPP mode. Hang on, I must try something insanely stupid. Ok. I modified the info for yaron.org. I told it yaron.org = 206.147.104.210. Queries for anything STILL RETURN 206.147.104.200!!! What the hell??? The only thing I can think of (which sounds impossible) is the Cisco675's NAT 'translating' the outgoing DNS replies to it's own outside interface! -Yaron -- From natecars at real-time.com Thu Feb 8 15:53:27 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BIND 8.2.3? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 8 Feb 2001, Yaron wrote: > Ok, 9.1.0 does the same thing. And, ok, here's the deal. > > Query the DNS server from INSITE my network and you get correct results. > > Query the DNS server from OUTSIDE my network and it returns THE SAME IP > FOR EVERY HOST, namely my public IP. > > This started when I switched the router to PPP mode. Hang on, I must try > something insanely stupid. > > > Ok. I modified the info for yaron.org. I told it yaron.org = > 206.147.104.210. > > Queries for anything STILL RETURN 206.147.104.200!!! > > What the hell??? The only thing I can think of (which sounds impossible) > is the Cisco675's NAT 'translating' the outgoing DNS replies to it's own > outside interface! Hmm... try modifying the router to use the internal DNS server as it's DNS, and see what happens.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Feb 8 16:35:52 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BIND 8.2.3? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Thu, 8 Feb 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > Hmm... try modifying the router to use the internal DNS server as it's > DNS, and see what happens.. set ppp wan0-0 dns 10.0.0.2 write reboot Still does the same thing. -Yaron -- From jacque at fruitioninc.com Thu Feb 8 16:38:31 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting Tonight Message-ID: Hey LUGies - With the weather what it is right now, who is still planning to go to Gabe's tonight? Should we cancel? Jacque From natecars at real-time.com Thu Feb 8 16:41:03 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BIND 8.2.3? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 8 Feb 2001, Yaron wrote: > > Hmm... try modifying the router to use the internal DNS server as it's > > DNS, and see what happens.. > > set ppp wan0-0 dns 10.0.0.2 > write > reboot > > Still does the same thing. What version CBOS? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Feb 8 16:49:04 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BIND 8.2.3? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Thu, 8 Feb 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > What version CBOS? 2.3.5 -Yaron -- From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Feb 8 17:46:58 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sistina Impromptu Installfest In-Reply-To: ; from jacque@fruitioninc.com on Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 11:02:13PM -0600 References: <20010207230139.A1501@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010208174657.B20362@minime.sistina.com> On Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 11:02:13PM -0600, Jacqueline Urick wrote: >uh, you mean the one after the next one, I think.. ;o) Yes, sorry. > >~j > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org >> [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Ben Lutgens >> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 11:02 PM >> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Sistina Impromptu Installfest >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 10:18:38PM -0600, Jacqueline Urick wrote: >> >Are we going to change the location? I just finshed the posters... >> >> No, I mean the _next_ one. Not the upcomming one. Sorry, I should >> have been >> more specific. >> >> > >> >~j >> > >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org >> >> [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Ben Lutgens >> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 10:16 PM >> >> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> >> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Sistina Impromptu Installfest >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 07:34:59PM -0600, Clay Fandre wrote: >> >> >Ben Lutgens wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >You guys do know that we are having an OFFICIAL installfest on March >> >> >3rd, don't you? Don't you check out the events webpage once >> in a while? >> >> >Get with it guys. http://www.mn-linux.org/events/ >> >> >> >> Doh! Well this was something that Tom and I Dreamed up on the way >> >> to work, and >> >> I thought, "Hrm, only be a couple people from the company....I >> >> could get at >> >> least 15 more people in, I'll invite the LUG" >> >> >> >> Perhaps I can convince the people in my company to all convoy >> >> over. I could >> >> help someone install GFS or LVM if they wanted. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >Isn't this soon enough, Ben? >> >> >> >> I gotta check our schedule but that might work. Can we possibly >> >> do the next >> >> one at Sistina? It's in Dinkytown so it's not the greatest location. >> >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >> >> >tclug-list mailing list >> >> >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> >> >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet >> bofh.jive.org 666 >> >> Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 >> >> System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ >> >> >> >> Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html >> for details >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >> >tclug-list mailing list >> >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> -- >> Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 >> Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 >> System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ >> >> Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details >> >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Macs speak lpd provided the printer is true postscript. >Your skill set must contain troubleshooting skills on both platforms. > >Understanding basic firewalling, like IP Masquarding, and port forwarding. Will >be beneficial. Butter. > >Ok, I snipped the rest of the marketing crap. Techs hate that stuff anyways. :-) > >I'll translate the marketing-speak: > >You'll get paid. :-) Money good, FIRE BAD! FIRE BAD! >We are nice people and treat people right. hehe that's what they all say ;-) >Don't steal our clients. violators will be banished to windows land. >Don't end-run us and go directly to the client. See above. >You get a free Real Time shirt and can-cooze! sweet. >I'll think you are weird. You gotta do better than that, I already have that one :-) >(* ok, I add the last one :-) but you have to admit, someone withe Mac and Linux > skills has to be a little different! *) > >Send url of your resume to jobs@real-time.com. > >FYI: If you want to impress _me_ it won't be in MS word format! how about LaTex? -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Too much work to do. > > >Jacque > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010208/da5b718a/attachment.pgp From natecars at real-time.com Thu Feb 8 18:01:08 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BIND 8.2.3? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 8 Feb 2001, Yaron wrote: > > What version CBOS? > > 2.3.5 > > -Yaron Hrmmm.. weird. What happens if you add a specific NAT entry for port 53? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From andy at theasis.com Thu Feb 8 18:09:25 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting Tonight In-Reply-To: <20010208175113.D20362@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 8 Feb 2001, Ben Lutgens wrote: > Someone have a scotch for me, I'll enjoy it vicariously. Too much work to do. Would you like the Clynelish, the Ardbeg or the Royal Brackla? Andy From tanner at real-time.com Thu Feb 8 18:07:04 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG-JOBS] Contract position: MacIntosh and Linux In-Reply-To: <20010208175041.C20362@minime.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Thu, Feb 08, 2001 at 05:50:41PM -0600 References: <20010208160028.Y17438@real-time.com> <20010208175041.C20362@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010208180704.C14635@real-time.com> Quoting Ben Lutgens (blutgens@sistina.com): > >(* ok, I add the last one :-) but you have to admit, someone withe Mac and Linux > > skills has to be a little different! *) > > > >Send url of your resume to jobs@real-time.com. > > > >FYI: If you want to impress _me_ it won't be in MS word format! > > how about LaTex? Ben, keep your sexual fantasies off the mailing list! :-P -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Feb 8 18:25:59 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BIND 8.2.3? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Thu, 8 Feb 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > What happens if you add a specific NAT entry for port 53? Still the same. did I mention I set my named to give the WRONG address for yaron.org and it STILL gives the right one from remote? -Yaron -- From andy at theasis.com Thu Feb 8 18:32:54 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BIND 8.2.3? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > did I mention I set my named to give the WRONG address for yaron.org and > it STILL gives the right one from remote? What do you mean remote? Some box outside the firewall/NAT thingie? Is it because that box has cached the old address? Andy > -Yaron From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Feb 8 18:44:25 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BIND 8.2.3? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Thu, 8 Feb 2001 andy@theasis.com wrote: > What do you mean remote? > Some box outside the firewall/NAT thingie? > Is it because that box has cached the old address? I do mean a box that's outside the NAT - but I'm running nslookup on that box and telling it to go directly to my server. I _do_ see that it's updating - for example, if I add junk.yaron.org, I'll get a result for it (the wrong one). If I take it out, I'll get no such host. -Yaron -- From ben at nerp.net Thu Feb 8 18:54:57 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG-JOBS] Contract position: MacIntosh and Linux In-Reply-To: <20010208160028.Y17438@real-time.com> Message-ID: erm.. i'm affraid to admit my MacOS skills.. come on bob.. it's not that hard :) Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Thu, 8 Feb 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > Real Time is looking for someone with both MacIntosh and Linux skills for a > contract position. > > The current contract will require skills on setting up Macs to talk to > Linux/Samba servers for both file and print services. > > Your skill set must contain troubleshooting skills on both platforms. > > Understanding basic firewalling, like IP Masquarding, and port forwarding. Will > be beneficial. > > Ok, I snipped the rest of the marketing crap. Techs hate that stuff anyways. :-) > > I'll translate the marketing-speak: > > You'll get paid. :-) > We are nice people and treat people right. > Don't steal our clients. > Don't end-run us and go directly to the client. > You get a free Real Time shirt and can-cooze! > I'll think you are weird. > > (* ok, I add the last one :-) but you have to admit, someone withe Mac and Linux > skills has to be a little different! *) > > Send url of your resume to jobs@real-time.com. > > FYI: If you want to impress _me_ it won't be in MS word format! > > Thanks. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-jobs mailing list > tclug-jobs@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-jobs > From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Feb 8 20:03:08 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting Tonight In-Reply-To: ; from andy@theasis.com on Thu, Feb 08, 2001 at 06:09:25PM -0600 References: <20010208175113.D20362@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010208200308.A511@minime.sistina.com> On Thu, Feb 08, 2001 at 06:09:25PM -0600, andy@theasis.com wrote: >On Thu, 8 Feb 2001, Ben Lutgens wrote: > >> Someone have a scotch for me, I'll enjoy it vicariously. Too much work to do. > >Would you like the Clynelish, the Ardbeg or the Royal Brackla? I'm actually quite partial to Dalwhinnie. > >Andy > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If you don't have the security sources in /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free deb-src http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: andyzb.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 367 bytes Desc: Card for Andy Zbikowski Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010209/e0ba80e4/andyzb.vcf From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Feb 9 10:41:36 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Distro madness In-Reply-To: ; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 02:36:48PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20010209104136.I5273@wookimus.net> On Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 02:36:48PM -0600, Brian wrote: > Thanks for all the ideas! I'm considering using DOS but after > playing with Debian last night I think I can make it fit. I've got > Slink 2.1, running kernel 2.0.38 or something really old. There's a > low memory bootdisk image for systems with 2 MB RAM, I might try > that tonight. I'm also considering "rolling my own". I guess I'll > just try some of this stuff and see what works best. > > While I want this laptop to be functional, I also want to have fun > getting it that way. Installing DOS is something I do every day at > work, it's time for a new challenge. There are a couple places I'd send you to. One is www.linuxdoc.org to take a look at the HOWTO's. Because you're going to use a laptop w/4 megs: http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/4mb-Laptops.html Since you plan on having it act as a router: http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Adv-Routing-HOWTO.html And a link that'll give you a basic understanding as to what happens when you boot your box (MUST READ): http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/From-PowerUp-To-Bash-Prompt-HOWTO.html Now, you should really follow the Linux Router Project: http://www.linuxrouter.org/ Your time might best be spent reading through the recent mailing list archives. There's a few setups of LRP to consider. There's a more extensive Guide on how to build Linux from Scratch (which is essentially what you're doing with LRP): http://www.linuxdoc.org/guides.html#lfs Good luck! -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Problem is for developers who are > hacknig in kernel space (like sistina) we are forced to tell people > that we only support stock kernels from an official kernel mirror. That's OK. Kernel hackers SHOULD only work on the main trunk from Linus. I think Red Hat needs to have their brains fsck'd, they're missing a few inode entries. > As far as distros are concerened I am about fed up with them all, I > am anxiously awaiting slack 7.2, debian's developers are making a > nasty habit of screwing things up lately and I am tired of dealing > with it. Wow. Idiot Ben's frustrated?! No way! ;-) I take it you're trying to run 'unstable', huh? Haven't you moved to 'testing'? The nice thing about Debian's 'testing' distribution is that there's a criteria of "success" for all packages being uploaded to 'unstable' before they migrate to 'testing'. Stable is just that, stable; based on a feature/software freeze. So, what's frustrating you about Debian? Have you learned how to create your own *.deb's yet? I've recently dedicated some time to it and found out just how slick the setup really is. The source uploads by developers mirrors many features of FreeBSD. The nice thing about Debian is that once the source upload has been received by the debian archive, it is verified, autocompiled, and checked for sanity before being added to 'unstable' as a binary. Granted, things slip by, as no automated system is fool proof. Still, it exhibits the 'diff' patching of upstream sources, just like FreeBSD's ports system. The difference is that the source is (typically) compiled by the Debian servers, although you can use it like the FreeBSD ports system. The only thing Debian needs to do to get the 'apt-get source --build' working "out-of-the-box" is to correctly specify the Build-Depends requirements. For example, if the Debian developer uploads a MySQL GUI front-end, an obvious Build-Depends value would be something like Build-Depends: libmysql-dev >> , libgtk-dev >> '-dev' packages are typically the headers files and development documentation. > hence the recent convert to freebsd (which is very slick) Hey, why not! ;-) -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010209/7b01c937/attachment.pgp From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Feb 9 11:12:54 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cron and php In-Reply-To: <20010202130140.E80287@sorry.cs.umn.edu>; from dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu on Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 01:01:40PM -0600 References: <20010202130140.E80287@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010209111254.K5273@wookimus.net> On Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 01:01:40PM -0600, dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > Why write it in php? Just write a script in shell or perl and then > run it from cron. I think this is a question of preference, really. You can certainly write PHP scripts to do the same thing that bash or perl scripts do. For that matter, you could write Python scripts. They are all incarnations of the same beast: automation through scripting. Most of them can be made executable through: #!/usr/bin/env Given that you have your ${PATH} include /usr/bin. Kind of nice. 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Sorry, ssh is already the newest version Andy Zbikowski wrote: > > http://razor.bindview.com/publish/advisories/adv_ssh1crc.html > > In Debian fashion, the OpenSSH package in Potato has allready been fixed. > OpenSSH prior to 2.3.0 is vulnerable. > > If you don't have the security sources in /etc/apt/sources.list: > deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free > deb-src http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free > > -- > Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com > LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 > 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 > Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 -- John Hawley BGEA/ITS <=> Network Admin 612.335.1334 jhawley@bgea.org From clay at fandre.com Fri Feb 9 11:46:37 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSH1 vulnerability References: <3A841299.2749FBF1@ltiflex.com> <3A842B11.AFAABC08@bgea.org> Message-ID: <3A842CFD.9972D44E@fandre.com> John Hawley wrote: > > eh? > > $ cat /etc/apt/sources.list > #deb ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/debian woody main contrib non-free > deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian woody main contrib non-free > deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib > non-free > deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security stable/updates main > contrib > non-free > > $ apt-get update > > $ dpkg --list |grep ssh > ii ssh 2.2.0p1-1.1 Secure rlogin/rsh/rcp replacement > (OpenSSH) > > $ apt-get install ssh > Reading Package Lists... > Building Dependency Tree... > Sorry, ssh is already the newest version > It's in the unstable branch. cfandre@spidey:/home/cfandre:501$ dpkg -l | grep ssh ii ssh 2.3.0p1-1.11 Secure rlogin/rsh/rcp replacement (OpenSSH) cfandre@spidey:/home/cfandre:502$ From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Feb 9 11:44:17 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:37 2005 Subject: brainstorming w/Ports(was Re: [TCLUG] problems with xterm in RedHat 6.1) In-Reply-To: <20010209112219.A1889@minime.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Fri, Feb 09, 2001 at 11:22:19AM -0600 References: <20010206190410.41194.qmail@web9615.mail.yahoo.com> <20010206135445.E531@minime.sistina.com> <20010209110146.J5273@wookimus.net> <20010209112219.A1889@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010209114417.L5273@wookimus.net> > True, but each package is compile for my system according to my > make.conf. This sounds really compelling. You're telling me that the make process for the entire system is tied into a base make.conf file in /etc? Sweet! hmm... *grind grind grind...ping* Let's say you have a 386/486 and don't really like the idea of having to compile your packages on your system; understandably so. If you had a FreeBSD compile farm that would take an upload of your make.conf and a status file of those packages you've currently installed, then create a build directory linkfarm (like the X build process), to create the binary for you. Let's say you do 'make offworld' to launch this process. ;-) Your request would get thrown into a queue and an email would be sent to you telling you your position on the queue and confirmation of your request. If you don't send in the confirmation, the compile process is ignored. If you do send it in, your request gets sent to the active queue. When the compile is finished, you are emailed the binaries. OK. Enough brainstorming. Back to work. Maybe I'll have to try out FreeBSD. ;-) -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The latest version of OpenSSH (v2.3.0) is already in woody/sid and isn't vulnerable. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: andyzb.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 367 bytes Desc: Card for Andy Zbikowski Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010209/4506569d/andyzb.vcf From andyzb at ltiflex.com Fri Feb 9 12:10:08 2001 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problems with xterm in RedHat 6.1 References: <20010206190410.41194.qmail@web9615.mail.yahoo.com> <20010206135445.E531@minime.sistina.com> <20010209110146.J5273@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <3A843280.86717DB9@ltiflex.com> > That's OK. Kernel hackers SHOULD only work on the main trunk from > Linus. I think Red Hat needs to have their brains fsck'd, they're > missing a few inode entries. Only a few? > Wow. Idiot Ben's frustrated?! No way! ;-) I take it you're trying > to run 'unstable', huh? Haven't you moved to 'testing'? The nice > thing about Debian's 'testing' distribution is that there's a criteria > of "success" for all packages being uploaded to 'unstable' before they > migrate to 'testing'. Stable is just that, stable; based on a > feature/software freeze. Testing isn't enough fun. Things just don't break often enough. > So, what's frustrating you about Debian? Have you learned how to > create your own *.deb's yet? Nope. I just use stow. ( http://www.gnu.org/software/stow/ ) It fits my needs. ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/stow/package-name-version make && make install cd /usr/local/stow stow package-name-version stow is simply a perl script that creates a bunch of symlinks for you in /usr/local/. To unstow, cd /usr/local/stow, stow -D package-name-version. Works great for avifile, gatter, gq, and xmms (darn Ximinan packages were segfaulting) I even got VMWare to work with stow. In some situations building your own packages is worth it. Building some NVidia debs along with a mesa-dev deb that doesn't conflict with the NVidia stuff would be useful. (Hmmm....installs package maintainer manual...) But hey, the nice part about stow is that it isn't a tool specific to Debian. :) -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: andyzb.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 367 bytes Desc: Card for Andy Zbikowski Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010209/38ad157c/andyzb.vcf From blayer at qwest.net Fri Feb 9 12:11:51 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [sistina] Sistina Impromptu Installfest In-Reply-To: References: <20010207171142.A3292@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010209120820.00a1cd60@pop.mpls.qwest.net> Hey Ben & all, No matter how it comes out, I'm in on this deal either way. Let me know what materializes.. I might even know something about Debian by then. PS I have a somewhat unusual Linux machine to bring to the next installfest ;) At 07:48 AM 2/8/01 -0600, you wrote: >Ben - great idea - I look forward to learning how to run Linux! Bill Oops, I just used Windows98! From seg at haxxed.com Fri Feb 9 13:16:15 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cygwin/XFree86 Message-ID: <3A8441FF.1050202@haxxed.com> I've been playing with this and I must say its Hella Cool. http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin/xfree/ Got it running at work on the NT4 box I have the pleasure of staring at 8hr a day at work. Colors are a bit whacked at 16bit color mode, doesn't want to do 32 or 24, but 8bit works. But then you have all the problems of running X in 8bit color. :P Alt-tabbing causes the alt and tab keys to get stuck in the X server, so you have to remember to hit alt and tab to unstick them when you come back to it. Now what I want is an xtermish thing for Win32. You know the "DOS" window that comes up when you run Win32 console apps? Is there hooks to replace that? Because the default thing sucks ass. No scrollback and nothing more than 80x24. If they could hook PuTTY into that I'd be all set. Or if xterm or rxvt would just work right (something weird with the localisation libs) and they got the X server running along side windows instead of a full screen app... From blutgens at sistina.com Fri Feb 9 14:29:25 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [sistina] Sistina Impromptu Installfest In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010209120820.00a1cd60@pop.mpls.qwest.net>; from blayer@qwest.net on Fri, Feb 09, 2001 at 12:11:51PM -0600 References: <20010207171142.A3292@minime.sistina.com> <5.0.2.1.0.20010209120820.00a1cd60@pop.mpls.qwest.net> Message-ID: <20010209142925.B664@minime.sistina.com> On Fri, Feb 09, 2001 at 12:11:51PM -0600, Bill Layer wrote: >Hey Ben & all, > >No matter how it comes out, I'm in on this deal either way. Let me know >what materializes.. >I might even know something about Debian by then. The next one will be here. Not the one on march 3rd or whatever, prolly one in June or July. > >PS I have a somewhat unusual Linux machine to bring to the next installfest ;) > >At 07:48 AM 2/8/01 -0600, you wrote: >>Ben - great idea - I look forward to learning how to run Linux! > >Bill >Oops, I just used Windows98! > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(or force a reversion back to stable in any other way...) Any ideas? -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- What the president of the Motion Picture Association of America says about taking away your constitutional rights: "I'm rather jubilant now. What Judge Kaplan did was blow away every one of these brittle and fragile rebuttals. He threw out fair use; he threw out reverse engineering; he threw out linking." - Jack Valenti, president of the Motion Picture Association of America. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ______ _ __ "If you don't have the freedom to use what you / ' ) ) own - then you do not own anything." / o ______ / / _ . . No apologies to Jack Valenti or the MPAA / <_/ / / < / (_; from seg@haxxed.com on Fri, Feb 09, 2001 at 01:16:15PM -0600 References: <3A8441FF.1050202@haxxed.com> Message-ID: <20010209150023.A21094@sherohman.org> On Fri, Feb 09, 2001 at 01:16:15PM -0600, Callum Lerwick wrote: > Now what I want is an xtermish thing for Win32. You know the "DOS" > window that comes up when you run Win32 console apps? Is there hooks to > replace that? Because the default thing sucks ass. No scrollback and > nothing more than 80x24. You can change its properties to be, e.g., 500 lines long, which will let you extend it to the height of your screen and give you a scrollback capability. I've also been able to do the same with CygWin's bash window. I can't give you more datails, as this was all done at my former place of employment and, unfortunately (yeah, right...), I no longer have access to an NT box. -- SGI products are used to create the 'Bugs' that entertain us in theatres and at home. - SGI job posting Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu Fri Feb 9 15:17:13 2001 From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cygwin/XFree86 Message-ID: <010209151713.20336a84@dcmir.med.umn.edu> Hi Right click on the top bar of the window and go into properties. Play with the buffer size in both options and layout until you get what you want. Ed Hoeffner 1-271 BSBE 312 Church St. SE Mpls, MN 55455 hoeffner@dcmir.med.umn.edu 612-625-2115 612-625-2163 fax From blutgens at sistina.com Fri Feb 9 15:42:57 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cygwin/XFree86 In-Reply-To: <20010209150023.A21094@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Fri, Feb 09, 2001 at 03:00:23PM -0600 References: <3A8441FF.1050202@haxxed.com> <20010209150023.A21094@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20010209154257.A1075@minime.sistina.com> On Fri, Feb 09, 2001 at 03:00:23PM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote: >On Fri, Feb 09, 2001 at 01:16:15PM -0600, Callum Lerwick wrote: >> Now what I want is an xtermish thing for Win32. You know the "DOS" >> window that comes up when you run Win32 console apps? Is there hooks to >> replace that? Because the default thing sucks ass. No scrollback and >> nothing more than 80x24. Cygwin comes with bash and stuff. > >You can change its properties to be, e.g., 500 lines long, which will let you >extend it to the height of your screen and give you a scrollback capability. >I've also been able to do the same with CygWin's bash window. > >I can't give you more datails, as this was all done at my former place of >employment and, unfortunately (yeah, right...), I no longer have access to >an NT box. > >-- >SGI products are used to create the 'Bugs' that entertain us in theatres >and at home. - SGI job posting >Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ >!K w---$ O M- V? 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(some people know this already, I'm sure, but I feel it helpful to point it out for those who don't). Michael Vieths Foeclan@Winternet.Com From jethro at freakzilla.com Fri Feb 9 16:15:29 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cygwin/XFree86 In-Reply-To: <20010209154257.A1075@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Fri, 9 Feb 2001, Ben Lutgens wrote: > Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details Tell them to fix the job page then. It doesn't list any jobs (: Ooh... I don't drink coffee. Nevermind... (; -Yaron -- From andy at theasis.com Fri Feb 9 16:48:00 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cygwin/XFree86 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Slightly off-subject, but in NT/2000 you can also enable tab completion by > searching through the registry for something called 'CompletionChar' and > setting it to '9'. (some people know this already, I'm sure, but I feel it > helpful to point it out for those who don't). Maybe it's just me, but that seems like trying to turn your skateboard into a firetruck by painting it red. Andy > > Michael Vieths > Foeclan@Winternet.Com From mlboyko at concentric.net Fri Feb 9 17:43:42 2001 From: mlboyko at concentric.net (Michael Boyko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Mac for sale Message-ID: <200102092344.SAA10317@newman.concentric.net> Hiya guys, I had purchased a Mac Quadra 610 with a nifty 19" radius black and white monitor a while ago. What I had *wanted* to do was put m68k linux on it....but I just never got around to it. Now I am going to be moving soon and I don't wanna lug that monitor around. I also don't want to have to dispose of it (it just WANTS to have linux on it). I am asking $30 OBO for the system, monitor, mouse, and keyboard. If you are interested, please email at mlboyko@concentric.net. ____ Mike From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Feb 9 18:28:56 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian / X11 questions... References: Message-ID: <3A848B48.65FD3F9E@tc.umn.edu> tim wrote: > > I updated a debian machine to the latest and greatest "unstable" tree, but > now I have noticed a problem. > > I am no longer able to redirect "X" sessions to my machine. Yes, I've > granted access to the remote machine(s) using "xhost", and I've even > tried setting xhost to - (disabling access protections). > > I still get an "unable to connect" message when I try redirection... > > It looks like a new security "feature" as been implemented, and I don't > know how to re-enable remote X sessions... Well, one thing to check is whether or not the X server actually has opened a port for listening. It might be that your system now listens on a different port (ie 6002 or :2.0) Try running `lsof -i' and/or `netstat -l' to check those possibilities -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Monday is an awful way to / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ spend 1/7th of your life. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From tanner at real-time.com Sat Feb 10 01:53:36 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bash and piping stderr and stdout to less? Message-ID: <20010210015336.L29354@real-time.com> Ok, I am a tcsh user, so how do I pipe stderr and stdout to less? tcsh% command |& less bash% command ?? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From cbidler at talkware.net Sat Feb 10 01:59:55 2001 From: cbidler at talkware.net (Helper Monkey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bash and piping stderr and stdout to less? References: <20010210015336.L29354@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3A84F4FA.8862BC86@talkware.net> You have to redirect stderr to stdout, and then pipe. I'm not 100% on the syntax, since it's three arcane symbols in a row with no good mnemonic, but I seem to recall that it's one of: 2&>1 | less 2>&1 | less I'll be online for a bit; let me know if it works! Bob Tanner wrote: > > Ok, I am a tcsh user, so how do I pipe stderr and stdout to less? > > tcsh% command |& less > > bash% command > > ?? > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- <------------------------Chris H. Bidler, Internet Helper Monkey-------------------------> The drive banged 3-4 times the head against its endrun, maybe to BE SURE it was there ... "*Beep TAka TAka TAka TAka -whirr- ..." -- simulated persona = "The Cube", node #251, of http://www.forum2000.org From tanner at real-time.com Sat Feb 10 02:06:23 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bash and piping stderr and stdout to less? In-Reply-To: <3A84F4FA.8862BC86@talkware.net>; from cbidler@talkware.net on Sat, Feb 10, 2001 at 01:59:55AM -0600 References: <20010210015336.L29354@real-time.com> <3A84F4FA.8862BC86@talkware.net> Message-ID: <20010210020623.M29354@real-time.com> Quoting Helper Monkey (cbidler@talkware.net): > You have to redirect stderr to stdout, and then pipe. I'm not 100% on the > syntax, since it's three arcane symbols in a row with no good mnemonic, but > I seem to recall that it's one of: > > 2&>1 | less > 2>&1 | less > > I'll be online for a bit; let me know if it works! Works. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jethro at freakzilla.com Sat Feb 10 02:22:32 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GTK themes? Message-ID: Hi there, Well, I started playing around with GTK themes. I tried Marble3d and the IRIX-theme (goes with 5Dwm!). Both of them slow the HELL out off most apps and even make some crash! Anyone have any positive experiences? -Yaron -- From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Sat Feb 10 11:45:46 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GTK themes? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 10 Feb 2001, Yaron wrote: > Well, I started playing around with GTK themes. I tried Marble3d and the > IRIX-theme (goes with 5Dwm!). Both of them slow the HELL out off most apps > and even make some crash! Anyone have any positive experiences? Yes, but that's not important now. Oh, you mean with themes? Dunno... -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu Sat Feb 10 11:45:46 2001 From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GTK themes? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 10 Feb 2001, Yaron wrote: > Well, I started playing around with GTK themes. I tried Marble3d and the > IRIX-theme (goes with 5Dwm!). Both of them slow the HELL out off most apps > and even make some crash! Anyone have any positive experiences? Yes, but that's not important now. Oh, you mean with themes? Dunno... -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous From jeffr at odeon.net Sat Feb 10 16:15:10 2001 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question about hardware In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm thinking of picking up a 3ware Escalade 6200 PCI EIDE card for a linux box. The goal is to set up a mirror and boot from it. Anyone have any experience with these cards under linux? http://www.3ware.com/products/linux3ware.shtml Thanks, Jeff From jethro at freakzilla.com Sat Feb 10 19:12:20 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] xset r rate on X4.0.2? Message-ID: Hi, Can anyone running X 4.0.2 please run "xset r rate 6 60" ? I get segfault. Worked fine on X 4.0.1. The manpage says you need to have the "misc" extention, or XKB. Which doesn't help me much. Barring that, anyoe know a different way to get keyboard repeat rate changed in X? -Yaron -- From andyzib at ringworld.org Sat Feb 10 19:59:46 2001 From: andyzib at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GTK themes? References: Message-ID: <3A85F212.DDC9207B@ringworld.org> Avoid Pixmap themes like the plauge. For best performance use the engine themes. For decent performance use engine based themes. Just say no to pixmap themes. :) -- | Andrew S. Zbikowski | Home: 763.591.0977 | | http://www.ringworld.org | Work: 763.428.9119 | | http://www.itouthouse.com | PCS: 612.306.6055 | | This message is protected by double ROT13 | | encryption. Any attempt to circumvent the | | digital protection is banned by the DMCA. | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: andyzib.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 2268 bytes Desc: Card for Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010210/c4296c06/andyzib.vcf From spencer at sihope.com Mon Feb 12 17:46:34 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (Spencer Underground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel Questions References: <200102101819.f1AIJul09102@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <3A8875DA.1894721A@sihope.com> > I am obviously a newbie, because I am asking such rudimentary questions. My > first concerns the act of (re)compiling the kernel. I have been doing some reading on the matter. What is unclear to me at this point is what actually constitutes compiling the kernel. For example, if I change some parameters in my XF86config file, did I just recompile the kernel? If I reconfigure LILO, did I recompile. Does complilation only refer to the vmlinuz file? My understanding is this, the conf files are all a modular part of the core kernel that is loaded at boot (vmlinuz). So by this understanding, anytime I modify or add any configuration file, I just recompiled the kernel. I would sure appreciate any wisdom on this topic. I am very much looking forward to the installfest that is coming up. -Spencer Underground From esper at sherohman.org Sun Feb 11 12:13:00 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel Questions In-Reply-To: <3A8875DA.1894721A@sihope.com>; from spencer@sihope.com on Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 03:46:34PM -0800 References: <200102101819.f1AIJul09102@sprite.real-time.com> <3A8875DA.1894721A@sihope.com> Message-ID: <20010211121259.A19537@sherohman.org> On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 03:46:34PM -0800, Spencer Underground wrote: > if I change > some parameters in my XF86config file, did I just recompile the kernel? No. The configuration options you set using `make config` (or meunconfig or xconfig) are used to control the compilation process. If you set option X to on, the relevant code is compiled into the kernel; if it is off, the code is not put into the kernel. Once vmlinuz has been built, the config files are never referenced again unless you use them as a set of baseline settings for a future kernel build. > If I reconfigure LILO, did I recompile. No. The lilo config just tells the system where to find the kernel during the startup process. > Does complilation only refer to the vmlinuz file? "Compilation" refers to the process of _creating_ vmlinuz. From a non-programmer's viewpoint, "compiling" generally means "using the make command". In the course of building a kernel, I generally use make 5 times: make menuconfig - compiles the menu-based configuration program and runs it make clean - deletes old files make bzImage - compiles the kernel make modules - compiles any modules I've configured make modules_install - copies new modules to correct locations A more accurate way to know when you're compiling is to watch for messages that look like gcc -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -DLOCALE -DCURSES_LOC="" -c -o lxdialog.o lxdialog.c gcc is the GNU C compiler. If gcc is invoked, you're compiling. If it isn't, you're not. (More or less. gcc can do a couple other things and there are other compilers out there. But, for most users under Linux, this rule holds true well over 90% of the time.) -- SGI products are used to create the 'Bugs' that entertain us in theatres and at home. - SGI job posting Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From blutgens at sistina.com Sun Feb 11 12:39:58 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel Questions In-Reply-To: <3A8875DA.1894721A@sihope.com>; from spencer@sihope.com on Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 03:46:34PM -0800 References: <200102101819.f1AIJul09102@sprite.real-time.com> <3A8875DA.1894721A@sihope.com> Message-ID: <20010211123958.A2269@minime.sistina.com> On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 03:46:34PM -0800, Spencer Underground wrote: >> I am obviously a newbie, because I am asking such rudimentary questions. My >> first concerns the read the kernel how-to at linux documentation project homepage. > >act of (re)compiling the kernel. I have been doing some reading on the matter. >What is unclear >to me at this point is what actually constitutes compiling the kernel. For >example, if I change >some parameters in my XF86config file, did I just recompile the kernel? If I >reconfigure >LILO, did I recompile. Does complilation only refer to the vmlinuz file? My >understanding is this, >the conf files are all a modular part of the core kernel that is loaded at boot >(vmlinuz). So by this >understanding, anytime I modify or add any configuration file, I just recompiled >the kernel. I would >sure appreciate any wisdom on this topic. >I am very much looking forward to the installfest that is coming up. > >-Spencer Underground > > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010211/44d1887b/attachment.pgp From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Sun Feb 11 13:27:19 2001 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question about hardware In-Reply-To: ; from jeffr@odeon.net on Sat, Feb 10, 2001 at 04:15:10PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20010211132719.A4426@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Sure, I have a 6400. Works great. 3ware officially supports RedHat and SuSE, but you can get the source for the driver as well and patch your kernel against it. They're incredibly fast cards. I have 4 ata-100 45 GB IBM GXP drives on mine... it's damned fast :) Gabe On Sat, Feb 10, 2001 at 04:15:10PM -0600, jeffr@odeon.net wrote: > > I'm thinking of picking up a 3ware Escalade 6200 PCI EIDE card for a linux > box. The goal is to set up a mirror and boot from it. Anyone have any > experience with these cards under linux? > > http://www.3ware.com/products/linux3ware.shtml > > Thanks, > > Jeff > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "No sir, I don't like it!" - Mr. Horse in "Fire Dogs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From austad at marketwatch.com Sun Feb 11 14:12:59 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] #@%^ DNS/NAT Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109472@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> You can't do that. At least not with Bind 8.x. NAT + DNS servers do not mix. I heard Bind 9.x was supposed to have support for it but I haven't tried it. You might also have a look at djbdns (http://cr.yp.to), maybe it can do it. In any case, djbdns is probably more secure than Bind anyway. I've alway just stuck my dns boxen outside and made sure they were secured properly. DON'T run named as root! chroot it and run as a non-priveledged user. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Raun [mailto:sraun@fireopal.org] > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 6:47 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] #@%^ DNS/NAT > > > On Thu, Feb 08, 2001 at 12:40:28AM -0600, Yaron wrote: > > > > Is anyone running their own DNS on a mchine sitting behind > a Cisco 675 > > which is doing static NAT? If so, feel like helping me test > a theory? > > Not yet, but it's on my "to do sometime" list. If you confirm a > problem, please let me know? If you don't get a volunteer before > Sunday, you might ask me again. I may have a block of time available > then. Oh, yeah - I may know someone too. > > -- > Scott Raun > sraun@fireopal.org > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jethro at freakzilla.com Sun Feb 11 14:44:21 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] #@%^ DNS/NAT In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109472@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: Hi, On Sun, 11 Feb 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > You can't do that. At least not with Bind 8.x. NAT + DNS servers do not > mix. I was running BIND8 behind NAT for a while with no problems. Where can I read about this apparent problem? > I heard Bind 9.x was supposed to have support for it but I haven't > tried it. What exactly is there to support? Someone says "Hi, who's www.yaron.org?" and you tell them the IP address. Doesn't matter where they came from. I need more information! Either way, I'm using bind9. > You might also have a look at djbdns (http://cr.yp.to), I did. Couldn't get it to work, didn't try very hard. I already regret using qmail for so long, because it made me slightly less marketable (; And djb is a PRICK. I'm sorry, but he is. "Oh, to use djbdns you need MYT daemon launching utilitues (cause rc.d isn't good enough) and you need MY tcpserver (cause [x]inetd isn't good enough) and you need to make a /services (cause I never heard of /var/run)" etc. etc. > I've alway just stuck my dns boxen outside and made sure they were secured > properly. Well, if I had an outside, I'd try that (: -Yaron -- From ben at nerp.net Sun Feb 11 15:51:54 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] openoffice Message-ID: hey.. I'm playing with openoffice 614, and for the life of me, printing is screwed up.. I found the docs on Xprt, for staroffice, but I'm not finding anything usefull with redhat7 Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." From austad at marketwatch.com Sun Feb 11 21:01:38 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] #@%^ DNS/NAT Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109473@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> > > I was running BIND8 behind NAT for a while with no problems. > Where can I > read about this apparent problem? > I tried setting one up awhile back and couldn't get it to work. It didn't think it was authoritative or something. It had something to do with the payload of the query packet. I posted a message to some bind mailing list and was told that I needed to move it outside the firewall or it wouldn't work. I just searched all over for docs on it but couldn't find any. Maybe I'm wrong, wouldn't be the first time. :) > > > I heard Bind 9.x was supposed to have support for it but I haven't > > tried it. > > What exactly is there to support? Someone says "Hi, who's > www.yaron.org?" > and you tell them the IP address. Doesn't matter where they > came from. I > need more information! > > Either way, I'm using bind9. > > > You might also have a look at djbdns (http://cr.yp.to), > > I did. Couldn't get it to work, didn't try very hard. I already regret > using qmail for so long, because it made me slightly less > marketable (; > > And djb is a PRICK. I'm sorry, but he is. "Oh, to use djbdns > you need MYT > daemon launching utilitues (cause rc.d isn't good enough) and > you need MY > tcpserver (cause [x]inetd isn't good enough) and you need to make a > /services (cause I never heard of /var/run)" etc. etc. > > > I've alway just stuck my dns boxen outside and made sure > they were secured > > properly. > > Well, if I had an outside, I'd try that (: > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jethro at freakzilla.com Sun Feb 11 21:08:05 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] #@%^ DNS/NAT In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109473@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: Hi, On Sun, 11 Feb 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > I tried setting one up awhile back and couldn't get it to work. It didn't > think it was authoritative or something. I'm having the exact opposite problem. It's telling everyone it's authoritative for EVERYTHING it has, including secondaries, and everyone's BELIEVING it. And it's giving off the wrong addresses. In fact, it seems like it only knows ONE IP address. If you ask for a host it knows (primary, secondary, whatever) it'll give that IP address. Always. Bind8 and Bind9. -Yaron -- From sraun at fireopal.org Sun Feb 11 22:16:32 2001 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] #@%^ DNS/NAT In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Sun, Feb 11, 2001 at 02:44:21PM -0600 References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109472@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010211221632.A19187@iaxs.net> On Sun, Feb 11, 2001 at 02:44:21PM -0600, Yaron wrote: > On Sun, 11 Feb 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > > I've alway just stuck my dns boxen outside and made sure they were secured > > properly. > > Well, if I had an outside, I'd try that (: I'm told that with a sufficiently current version of CBOS, you can do that. Basically, you tell your ISP you need two IP addresses - one for the Cisco, one for the inside PC. You tell the Cisco (which has to be running the aforementioned 'sufficiently current version') that all traffic to IP address x.x.x.x is allowed through, and it does. If you really want it, I can dig out the minimum version of CBOS and the technobabble - I don't remember exactly what Cisco calls it, but one of my friends is doing it. -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Sun Feb 11 22:43:42 2001 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ReiserFS Message-ID: <20010211224342.A5011@sorry.cs.umn.edu> I know a lot of people on the list have played with ReiserFS, so maybe some of you have seen my problem before. I had a few spare moments this weekend and decided to play with the 2.4.1 kernel and ReiserFS. I've got ReiserFS support compiled in and I downloaded, compiled and installed the newest reiserfs-utils. I have a RAID and I had a have a spare 50 GB partition laying around, so I figured, what the hell :) Anyway, mkreiserfs went without a hitch: ATTENTION: ALL DATA WILL BE LOST ON '/dev/sda6'! (y/n)y journal size 8192 (from 18) Initializing journal - 0%....20%....40%....60%....80%....100% Syncing..done. but I can't mount the drive # mount /dev/sda6 /mnt/reiser mount: /dev/sda6 has wrong major or minor number When I look at this partition in fdisk, it has a ext2 type (because I set it that way at one point), and there is no option to set the label to ReiserFS. Any help figuring this out would be greatly appreciated. TIA, Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "If a god of love and life ever did exist, he's long since dead... Someone, some _thing_, rules in his place." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From blutgens at sistina.com Sun Feb 11 22:57:47 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ReiserFS In-Reply-To: <20010211224342.A5011@sorry.cs.umn.edu>; from dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu on Sun, Feb 11, 2001 at 10:43:42PM -0600 References: <20010211224342.A5011@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010211225747.B443@minime.sistina.com> On Sun, Feb 11, 2001 at 10:43:42PM -0600, dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: >I know a lot of people on the list have played with ReiserFS, so maybe some >of you have seen my problem before. I had a few spare moments this weekend >and decided to play with the 2.4.1 kernel and ReiserFS. I've got ReiserFS >support compiled in and I downloaded, compiled and installed the newest >reiserfs-utils. I have a RAID and I had a have a spare 50 GB partition >laying around, so I figured, what the hell :) Anyway, mkreiserfs went >without a hitch: Software RAID or HW RAID? It matters, there are some locking issues with certain types of software RAID and journaled filesystems. > >ATTENTION: ALL DATA WILL BE LOST ON '/dev/sda6'! (y/n)y >journal size 8192 (from 18) >Initializing journal - 0%....20%....40%....60%....80%....100% >Syncing..done. > >but I can't mount the drive > ># mount /dev/sda6 /mnt/reiser >mount: /dev/sda6 has wrong major or minor number A quote from reiserfs.org FAQ "I get the following message: mount: /dev/hda5 has wrong major or minor number reiserfs is not compiled in and not available as a module." Sure you're booting with the right kernel? I've built kernels before and didn't run lilo on them and had this happen. > >When I look at this partition in fdisk, it has a ext2 type (because I set >it that way at one point), and there is no option to set the label to >ReiserFS. No. > >Any help figuring this out would be greatly appreciated. >TIA, > >Gabe > >-- >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Gabe Turner | X-President, >UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery >U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta >Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > >"If a god of love and life ever did exist, he's long since dead... > Someone, some _thing_, rules in his place." > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Try `mount -t reiserfs /dev/sda6 /mnt/reiser' -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Error: Such action is / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ punishable by death. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Feb 12 00:35:11 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ReiserFS In-Reply-To: <3A877FA0.D2667317@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 12:16:00AM -0600 References: <20010211224342.A5011@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <3A877FA0.D2667317@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010212003511.A1892@minime.sistina.com> On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 12:16:00AM -0600, Michael Hicks wrote: >dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: >> >[snip] >> but I can't mount the drive >> >> # mount /dev/sda6 /mnt/reiser >> mount: /dev/sda6 has wrong major or minor number > >I've seen this before: Linux can't autodetect ReiserFS for some >reason. Try `mount -t reiserfs /dev/sda6 /mnt/reiser' like all things, you need to have kernel module autoloader support and the appropriate version of modutils, as well as the right entries in the config files for modutils (modules.conf usually) Mine recognizes it fine. > >-- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Error: Such action is >/ \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ punishable by death. >\_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) >[ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010212/92d4896e/attachment.pgp From tanner at real-time.com Mon Feb 12 03:46:52 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OpenGL vs Mesa Message-ID: <20010212034652.A19955@real-time.com> I might be missing something here, but what is the difference between OpenGL and Mesa? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From clay at fandre.com Mon Feb 12 04:48:19 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OpenGL vs Mesa References: <20010212034652.A19955@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3A87BF73.8DECB035@fandre.com> Mesa is a free implementation of the OpenGL library, which is licensed by SGI. More info on their website: http://www.mesa3d.org/ Bob Tanner wrote: > > I might be missing something here, but what is the difference between OpenGL and > Mesa? > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Mon Feb 12 07:44:57 2001 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ReiserFS In-Reply-To: <20010211225747.B443@minime.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Sun, Feb 11, 2001 at 10:57:47PM -0600 References: <20010211224342.A5011@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <20010211225747.B443@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010212074457.A5727@sorry.cs.umn.edu> On Sun, Feb 11, 2001 at 10:57:47PM -0600, Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Sun, Feb 11, 2001 at 10:43:42PM -0600, dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > >I know a lot of people on the list have played with ReiserFS, so maybe some > >of you have seen my problem before. I had a few spare moments this weekend > >and decided to play with the 2.4.1 kernel and ReiserFS. I've got ReiserFS > >support compiled in and I downloaded, compiled and installed the newest > >reiserfs-utils. I have a RAID and I had a have a spare 50 GB partition > >laying around, so I figured, what the hell :) Anyway, mkreiserfs went > >without a hitch: > > Software RAID or HW RAID? It matters, there are some locking issues with > certain types of software RAID and journaled filesystems. It's hardware RAID. > > > > >ATTENTION: ALL DATA WILL BE LOST ON '/dev/sda6'! (y/n)y > >journal size 8192 (from 18) > >Initializing journal - 0%....20%....40%....60%....80%....100% > >Syncing..done. > > > >but I can't mount the drive > > > ># mount /dev/sda6 /mnt/reiser > >mount: /dev/sda6 has wrong major or minor number > > A quote from reiserfs.org FAQ > "I get the following message: > > mount: /dev/hda5 has wrong major or minor number > > reiserfs is not compiled in and not available as a module." > > Sure you're booting with the right kernel? I've built kernels before and > didn't run lilo on them and had this happen. > Well, shortly after I sent out my message, I threw up my hands and tried rebooting and was then able to mount the partition. I rebooted to the same kernel that I was using before the reboot, so it must have just been something weird. Who knows. Thanks for the info, none the less. Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "My dinosaur droppings! Painted like Easter eggs!" - Ren Hoek in "Sven Hoek" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Feb 12 08:13:28 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ReiserFS References: <20010211224342.A5011@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <3A877FA0.D2667317@tc.umn.edu> <20010212003511.A1892@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <3A87EF88.F23CAA2F@tc.umn.edu> Ben Lutgens wrote: > > like all things, you need to have kernel module autoloader support and the > appropriate version of modutils, as well as the right entries in the config > files for modutils (modules.conf usually) > > Mine recognizes it fine. *shrug* ReiserFS support is compiled into my kernel.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Bills travel through the / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ mail at twice the speed \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) of checks. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From veldy at veldy.net Mon Feb 12 08:12:55 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ReiserFS References: <20010211224342.A5011@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <001301c094fd$e55bcf90$3028680a@tgt.com> mount -t reiserfs /dev/sda6 /mnt/reiser Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 10:43 PM Subject: [TCLUG] ReiserFS > I know a lot of people on the list have played with ReiserFS, so maybe some > of you have seen my problem before. I had a few spare moments this weekend > and decided to play with the 2.4.1 kernel and ReiserFS. I've got ReiserFS > support compiled in and I downloaded, compiled and installed the newest > reiserfs-utils. I have a RAID and I had a have a spare 50 GB partition > laying around, so I figured, what the hell :) Anyway, mkreiserfs went > without a hitch: > > ATTENTION: ALL DATA WILL BE LOST ON '/dev/sda6'! (y/n)y > journal size 8192 (from 18) > Initializing journal - 0%....20%....40%....60%....80%....100% > Syncing..done. > > but I can't mount the drive > > # mount /dev/sda6 /mnt/reiser > mount: /dev/sda6 has wrong major or minor number > > When I look at this partition in fdisk, it has a ext2 type (because I set > it that way at one point), and there is no option to set the label to > ReiserFS. > > Any help figuring this out would be greatly appreciated. > > TIA, > > Gabe > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > Gabe Turner | X-President, > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > "If a god of love and life ever did exist, he's long since dead... > Someone, some _thing_, rules in his place." > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From veldy at veldy.net Mon Feb 12 08:14:06 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ReiserFS References: <20010211224342.A5011@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <3A877FA0.D2667317@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <002201c094fe$0f987e70$3028680a@tgt.com> Because it uses the same filesystem keys (from fdisk) that ext2 does - so it tries to mount an ext2 filesystem. They will eventually change this I think. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Hicks" To: Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 12:16 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] ReiserFS > dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > > > [snip] > > but I can't mount the drive > > > > # mount /dev/sda6 /mnt/reiser > > mount: /dev/sda6 has wrong major or minor number > > I've seen this before: Linux can't autodetect ReiserFS for some > reason. Try `mount -t reiserfs /dev/sda6 /mnt/reiser' > > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Error: Such action is > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ punishable by death. > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From veldy at veldy.net Mon Feb 12 08:15:02 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ReiserFS References: <20010211224342.A5011@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <20010211225747.B443@minime.sistina.com> <20010212074457.A5727@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <003501c094fe$31074d20$3028680a@tgt.com> Perhaps you needed to run: depmod -a Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Ben Lutgens" ; Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 7:44 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] ReiserFS > On Sun, Feb 11, 2001 at 10:57:47PM -0600, Ben Lutgens wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 11, 2001 at 10:43:42PM -0600, dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > > >I know a lot of people on the list have played with ReiserFS, so maybe some > > >of you have seen my problem before. I had a few spare moments this weekend > > >and decided to play with the 2.4.1 kernel and ReiserFS. I've got ReiserFS > > >support compiled in and I downloaded, compiled and installed the newest > > >reiserfs-utils. I have a RAID and I had a have a spare 50 GB partition > > >laying around, so I figured, what the hell :) Anyway, mkreiserfs went > > >without a hitch: > > > > Software RAID or HW RAID? It matters, there are some locking issues with > > certain types of software RAID and journaled filesystems. > > It's hardware RAID. > > > > > > > > >ATTENTION: ALL DATA WILL BE LOST ON '/dev/sda6'! (y/n)y > > >journal size 8192 (from 18) > > >Initializing journal - 0%....20%....40%....60%....80%....100% > > >Syncing..done. > > > > > >but I can't mount the drive > > > > > ># mount /dev/sda6 /mnt/reiser > > >mount: /dev/sda6 has wrong major or minor number > > > > A quote from reiserfs.org FAQ > > "I get the following message: > > > > mount: /dev/hda5 has wrong major or minor number > > > > reiserfs is not compiled in and not available as a module." > > > > Sure you're booting with the right kernel? I've built kernels before and > > didn't run lilo on them and had this happen. > > > > Well, shortly after I sent out my message, I threw up my hands and tried > rebooting and was then able to mount the partition. I rebooted to the same > kernel that I was using before the reboot, so it must have just been > something weird. Who knows. Thanks for the info, none the less. > > Gabe > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > Gabe Turner | X-President, > UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery > U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta > Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu > > "My dinosaur droppings! Painted like Easter eggs!" > - Ren Hoek in "Sven Hoek" > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dan at williamsongraphics.com Mon Feb 12 09:42:12 2001 From: dan at williamsongraphics.com (dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Kernel Questions References: <200102120637.f1C6bEl08444@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <3A880454.D7F78F94@williamsongraphics.com> If you are a newbie at recompiling the Kernel, I suggest you use make xconfig while in KDE/Gnome. You also need to be in /usr/src/linux and then type make xconfig. There are little help buttons to tell you what those certain items are used for. Then when you are finished, it asks you to type in make dep, type this in: make dep clean bzImage modules modules_install This will do everything without you having to type in make "whatever" every few minutes. ; ) A good idea would be to check out one of the HOWTO's. With bzImage, doesn't it put it the new Kernel in / ? You would then have to drag it to your /boot directory and then /sbin/lilo it so that it recognizes the new one. It is also a good idea to save the old kernel, in case the new one is "broken". That way you will still be able to boot into Linux. Hope this helps. dan From wilson at visi.com Mon Feb 12 10:03:06 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Kernel Questions In-Reply-To: <3A880454.D7F78F94@williamsongraphics.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, dan wrote: > If you are a newbie at recompiling the Kernel, I suggest you use make > xconfig while in KDE/Gnome. You also need to be in /usr/src/linux and > then type make xconfig. There are little help buttons to tell you what > those certain items are used for. Then when you are finished, it asks > you to type in make dep, type this in: > > make dep clean bzImage modules modules_install Don't forget that the current recommendation is to compile the kernel as a regular user. I've created a 'src' in my home directory where I put all the kernel sources. You have to change to root to do the 'make modules_install' and to copy the bzImage to /boot. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/ W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org/ wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com/ From esper at sherohman.org Mon Feb 12 11:04:55 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Kernel Questions In-Reply-To: <3A880454.D7F78F94@williamsongraphics.com>; from dan@williamsongraphics.com on Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 09:42:12AM -0600 References: <200102120637.f1C6bEl08444@sprite.real-time.com> <3A880454.D7F78F94@williamsongraphics.com> Message-ID: <20010212110455.A2909@sherohman.org> On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 09:42:12AM -0600, dan wrote: > A good idea would be to check out one of the HOWTO's. With bzImage, > doesn't it put it the new Kernel in / ? No. `make bzImage` deposits the new kernel in /arch/i386/boot, assuming you're on an x86-based machine. Replace i386 with the appropriate architecture tag if you're using something else. -- SGI products are used to create the 'Bugs' that entertain us in theatres and at home. - SGI job posting Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From andyzb at ltiflex.com Mon Feb 12 11:20:51 2001 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Kernel Questions (Or, what is Linux?) References: Message-ID: <3A881B73.CE9A22DF@ltiflex.com> This is probally oversimplified and incorrect on one level or another, but this list is open discussion, so these comments may be freely modified and what have you. The Linux kernel is a part of your Linux OS, I'd say you wouldn't have an OS with out it, but the kernel by itself is not the OS. From the kernel you get support for you hardware (drivers for your ethernet, modems, printer ports, agp, scsi, hard disks, filesystems, etc...), but without tools like cp, mount, mkfs, fsck, etc, the kernel is pretty worthless. (from the end-user perspective anyway.) In the case of Linux the OS itself is pretty basic. Consider a complete Linux OS to be something containing all the tools you need to boot, login to, and install software. For the sake of argument, this is a pretty useless system. (Compare it to a plain DOS install.) So, all you have is the kernel, a handful of admin tools, a shell, package management tools (apt, dpkg, rpm), probally perl, and a small editor. (nvi, elvis, ae). At this point there is nothing really useful, but you are to the point where you can install the real useful stuff like XFree86, development tools, GNOME, etc. This kind of seperation is good and bad. Good in that it makes Linux very flexible. It's easy to get a headless webserver or a X-based workstation from this point. (Most users won't actually see just this as various distribution installers tend to hide this from the user, more on distros later...) Bad in that it may just scare the new user who, *GASP* have never used a command line only os. But hey, I'm all for scaring users. Break the mold, not every system has to have a pretty face. So there you have a very ruff definition of the Linux Operating System. Now we move on to a Linux Distribution. Distro War all you want, but what a Distribution boils down to is Linux OS bundled with all the software you could ever want and then some. (Well, I'm sure you'll find some excetions.) Software including dev tools, webservers, Xservers, Xclients, etc. Each distribution has different ways of installing, package managment, administration, and what have you. Some things are common, some things should be more common across Linux distributions (See Linux Standards Base, a totally seperate rant. :) So now we've got a ruff idea of what we're dealing with. So, why is it that we have to compile this kernel thing and how do we go about doing so? Well, quite often you don't have to compile the kernel. Your distribution prepackages pre-compiled kernels that have just about every option turned on (or at least compiled as modules) so you should have a rather functional kernel out of the box. Some situations call for a new kernel to be compiled. New versions of the kernel support new hardware, and other new features such as ReiserFS. And then theres the geekish drive to run the latest and greatest, so we compile a new kernel! The first thing to do is to get your kernel source code from ftp.us.kernel.org (or a mirror). The latest kernel is 2.4.1. Most people are probally still running on a 2.2 series kernel. (For most a 2.2 series kernel is just dandy anyway.) You'll want to get 2.2.18 unless there is something preventing you from going to this kernel (RedHat + Dell often ship biniary only drivers for Adaptec RAID cards. Other hardware vendors may only support certin versions of the kernel, other stuff like that.) So you have your kernel source, the next step is to extract it. The debate as to where has been going on for some time now, and I've mentioned this in the past. Linus says that the kernel source should be extracted to a users home directory and compiled there as a normal user and should be installed by root. (For fear of overwriting the header glibc was compiled agnist.) Most distributions put these headers in /usr/lib/include, and thus invalidating the /usr/src/ arguement. In most cases, it is safe to extract and compile kernel source in /usr/src. Doing it as a normal user or as root is a matter of personal preference. I usually use fakeroot (as a normal user) to build a Debianized kernel package, and install said package as root. In the end, the easiest way is to just logon as root and do it. So your sitting in /usr/src/linux Now what? Well, go with these two options. make menuconfig or make xconfig Use menuconfig to use the curses based kernel configuration. xconfig will throw you into the xbased configuration, but if you don't have a good grasp of how X works you probally want to stick with the curses based config. (Some distributions prevent root from logging in via XDM/KDM/GDM.) Here again the root/non-root arguement comes into play. Well, get your kernel configured. In X, you will probally see a bunch of ? buttons leading to "help." In the curses config, hit the ? key to bring up the help. Not all paramaters are documented however. So you've configured your kernel source. Time to compile. I belive the correct sequence is make dep && make clean && make bzImage && make modules && make modules_install This process compiles the C source code into a biniary kernel. This would be the actual compilation process. The rest is configuration and installation. I perfer to use Debian's make-kpkg. Again, this is my personal preference, but it's kinda nice to lump all of the above into one command. You should also backup your current kernel by moving it to a new location. (mv /boot/vmlinuz-2.2.14 /boot/vmlinuz-2.2.14.old or something.) Usually the /vmlinuz and /vmlinuz.old files are sym links to files under /boot. Lilo usually references the /vmlinuz file however. (I perfer to reference /boot/vmlinuz-version in lilo.conf and remove the /vmlinuz* sym links on /) A basic lilo.conf entry may look something like this: image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.2.18 label=2.2.18 (Perhaps you will have other options such as the root device. I don't, I have stuff like that defined on a global basis instead of a per-kernel basis.) After editing and saving lilo.conf, run lilo as root. Now the moment of truth is opon you. Will your system boot on the new kernel? Cross your fingers and give your box the three fingure salute. (Do both at the same time for bonus points.) Well, hopefully that cleared some things up. Maybe it added to the confusion. Maybe parts were just plain wrong. Feel free to add to the discussion. :) -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Feel free to add to the >discussion. :) > >-- >Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com >LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 >21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 >Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010212/a41c8819/attachment.pgp From andyzb at ltiflex.com Mon Feb 12 11:52:44 2001 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Kernel Questions (Or, what is Linux?) References: <3A881B73.CE9A22DF@ltiflex.com> <20010212114757.A1928@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <3A8822EC.B35E48F9@ltiflex.com> > > You should have just pointed to the kernel how-to.... > Heh..it's been done. Never read the kernel how-to myself...hmmm... -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: andyzb.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 367 bytes Desc: Card for Andy Zbikowski Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010212/2f641448/andyzb.vcf From spencer at sihope.com Mon Feb 12 14:18:31 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (spencer@sihope.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel Questions Message-ID: <200102121822.MAA18283@unix1.sihope.com> Thanks for the consice input. That certainly was the nudge of knowledged I needed to get on the right track. Now I just have to find the time to play. -Spencer Underground Spencer mailto:spencer@sihope.com Download NeoPlanet at http://www.neoplanet.com From jacque at fruitioninc.com Mon Feb 12 12:40:39 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Here you have, ;o) Message-ID: <00c501c09523$4cee8d30$0200000a@geekstuff> Hi: Check This! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: AnnaKournikova.jpg.vbs Type: application/octet-stream Size: 2824 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010212/ff75e1d9/AnnaKournikova.jpg.obj From duncan at sodatrain.com Mon Feb 12 12:53:05 2001 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Here you have, ;o) In-Reply-To: <00c501c09523$4cee8d30$0200000a@geekstuff> Message-ID: VIRUS! check you systems and let your admin (if youre not it) know abot this.... On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Jacqueline Urick wrote: > Hi: > Check This! > -- || || || || || || duncan shannon .-. duncan@sodatrain.com /v\ // \\ /( )\ L I N U X ^^-^^ >Phear the Penguin< From heilja at dbsource.com Mon Feb 12 12:43:40 2001 From: heilja at dbsource.com (Joseph Heil) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Here you have, ;o) In-Reply-To: <00c101c09523$4b1b05b0$0200000a@geekstuff>; from jacque@fruitioninc.com on Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 12:40:36PM -0600 References: <00c101c09523$4b1b05b0$0200000a@geekstuff> Message-ID: <20010212124340.A722@master.dbsource.com> Does this look like a virus or what..... Quoting Jacqueline Urick (jacque@fruitioninc.com): > Hi: > Check This! -- Joseph A. Heil, Jr. Oracle DBA heilja@dbsource.com http://www.dbsource.com voice: 952-445-8066 fax: 952-445-5196 Key fingerprint = 95 FC 3A F4 8A 10 05 85 3F 53 01 86 AD DB DB 51 From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Mon Feb 12 13:04:53 2001 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Here you have, ;o) In-Reply-To: <00c501c09523$4cee8d30$0200000a@geekstuff>; from jacque@fruitioninc.com on Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 12:40:39PM -0600 References: <00c501c09523$4cee8d30$0200000a@geekstuff> Message-ID: <20010212130453.C5950@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Nice, Jaque, real nice :) About 1 minute before I got this email from the list, I got a virus advisory forwarded to me from someone else: > There is a new E-mail borne virus that is currently spreading throughout > the world. > > Information about this virus is still emerging. Current information > names > the virus VBS_KALAMAR.A, KALAMAR, and > VBS/SST. > > The virus is reported to have an attachment named ANNAKOURNIKOVA.JPG.VBS. Hilarious. Crazy Windows email clients :) Gabe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Oh my beloved ice cream bar!! How I love to like your creamy center! Howm! Howm! Howm!! And your oh-so-nutty chocolate covering!!" - Commander Hoek (Ren) in "Space Madness" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From duncan at sodatrain.com Mon Feb 12 12:58:06 2001 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Here you have, ;o) In-Reply-To: <00c101c09523$4b1b05b0$0200000a@geekstuff> Message-ID: again, this is a virus. tell your admin that you have a virus if you are not it... the AnnaKournikova.jpg.vbs is an evil visual basic script... its a virus... On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Jacqueline Urick wrote: > Hi: > Check This! > -- || || || || || || duncan shannon .-. duncan@sodatrain.com /v\ // \\ /( )\ L I N U X ^^-^^ >Phear the Penguin< From jacque at fruitioninc.com Mon Feb 12 12:53:37 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Here you have, ;o) In-Reply-To: <20010212124340.A722@master.dbsource.com> Message-ID: sorry guys..a client just sent this to me and it automagically mailed...don't open it! > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Joseph Heil > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 12:44 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Here you have, ;o) > > > > Does this look like a virus or what..... > > Quoting Jacqueline Urick (jacque@fruitioninc.com): > > Hi: > > Check This! > > > > -- > Joseph A. Heil, Jr. Oracle DBA > heilja@dbsource.com http://www.dbsource.com > voice: 952-445-8066 fax: 952-445-5196 > Key fingerprint = 95 FC 3A F4 8A 10 05 85 3F 53 01 86 AD DB DB 51 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From ben at nerp.net Mon Feb 12 13:00:38 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Here you have, ;o) In-Reply-To: <00c501c09523$4cee8d30$0200000a@geekstuff> Message-ID: haha.. poor jackie.. that's what you get for running outlook on the list X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Jacqueline Urick wrote: > Hi: > Check This! > From clay at fandre.com Mon Feb 12 13:01:22 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Here you have, ;o) References: Message-ID: <3A883302.7A6D9FB1@fandre.com> But how can you resist opening it with a file name like that? duncan wrote: > > again, this is a virus. tell your admin that you have a virus if you are > not it... > > the AnnaKournikova.jpg.vbs is an evil visual basic script... its a > virus... > > On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Jacqueline Urick wrote: > > > Hi: > > Check This! > > > > -- > || || || || || || > duncan shannon .-. > duncan@sodatrain.com /v\ > // \\ > /( )\ L I N U X > ^^-^^ >Phear the Penguin< > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From heilja at dbsource.com Mon Feb 12 12:56:33 2001 From: heilja at dbsource.com (Joseph Heil) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Here you have, ;o) In-Reply-To: ; from duncan@sodatrain.com on Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 02:05:18PM -0500 References: <20010212124340.A722@master.dbsource.com> Message-ID: <20010212125632.A738@master.dbsource.com> Bob, I think we need to have a clue check here..... Quoting duncan (duncan@sodatrain.com): > It is a virus, my company has it... (screw exchange!) > > symantec is bogged way down, it im in boston, and it seems to be > growing... it is a attatchment of AnnaKournikova.jpg.vbs as its payload. > > let your mail admin know! > > > > On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Joseph Heil wrote: > > > > > Does this look like a virus or what..... > > > > Quoting Jacqueline Urick (jacque@fruitioninc.com): > > > Hi: > > > Check This! > > > > > > > > > > -- > || || || || || || > duncan shannon .-. > duncan@sodatrain.com /v\ > // \\ > /( )\ L I N U X > ^^-^^ >Phear the Penguin< > > -- Joseph A. Heil, Jr. Oracle DBA heilja@dbsource.com http://www.dbsource.com voice: 952-445-8066 fax: 952-445-5196 Key fingerprint = 95 FC 3A F4 8A 10 05 85 3F 53 01 86 AD DB DB 51 From dkleist at acm.org Mon Feb 12 13:09:31 2001 From: dkleist at acm.org (Dave Kleist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Here you have, ;o) In-Reply-To: <20010212130453.C5950@sorry.cs.umn.edu>; from dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu on Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 13:04:53 -0600 References: <00c501c09523$4cee8d30$0200000a@geekstuff> <20010212130453.C5950@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010212130931.A7978@coder> On 2001.02.12 13:04:53 -0600 dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > About 1 minute before I got this email from the > list, I got a virus advisory forwarded to me from someone else: > > > There is a new E-mail borne virus that is currently spreading throughout > > the world. > > > > > > The virus is reported to have an attachment named ANNAKOURNIKOVA.JPG.VBS. > > Hilarious. Crazy Windows email clients :) Gonna be big. I've gotten it twice in 20 minutes. Makes me feel self-righteous having switched over to Balsa. -- Dave Kleist dkleist@acm.org "The covers of this book are too far apart." - Ambrose Bierce From duncan at sodatrain.com Mon Feb 12 13:05:18 2001 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Here you have, ;o) In-Reply-To: <20010212124340.A722@master.dbsource.com> Message-ID: It is a virus, my company has it... (screw exchange!) symantec is bogged way down, it im in boston, and it seems to be growing... it is a attatchment of AnnaKournikova.jpg.vbs as its payload. let your mail admin know! On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Joseph Heil wrote: > > Does this look like a virus or what..... > > Quoting Jacqueline Urick (jacque@fruitioninc.com): > > Hi: > > Check This! > > > > -- || || || || || || duncan shannon .-. duncan@sodatrain.com /v\ // \\ /( )\ L I N U X ^^-^^ >Phear the Penguin< From mkroska at readynetgo.com Mon Feb 12 13:08:00 2001 From: mkroska at readynetgo.com (Mark K) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Here you have, ;o) In-Reply-To: <20010212130453.C5950@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: USE PINE!! :) portable and fast, and no worries at all about this. ...I hear a poll coming...people that use PINE for email/news? MK On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > Nice, Jaque, real nice :) About 1 minute before I got this email from the > list, I got a virus advisory forwarded to me from someone else: > > > There is a new E-mail borne virus that is currently spreading throughout > > the world. > > > > Information about this virus is still emerging. Current information > > names > > the virus VBS_KALAMAR.A, KALAMAR, and > > VBS/SST. > > > > The virus is reported to have an attachment named ANNAKOURNIKOVA.JPG.VBS. > > Hilarious. Crazy Windows email clients :) > > Gabe > -- ________________________________________________________ ReadyNET Go!, Inc. - Building your Business on the net ________________________________________________________ Mark J. Kroska MIS Director 320.656.0765 Voice 888.447.3239 Toll Free 320.203.7052 Fax http://www.readynetgo.com mailto:mkroska@readynetgo.com ________________________________________________________ From kethry at winternet.com Mon Feb 12 13:07:47 2001 From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Here you have, ;o) In-Reply-To: <3A883302.7A6D9FB1@fandre.com> Message-ID: **chuckle** very easy - look at the .vbs part ;) Liz Burke-Scovill On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Clay Fandre wrote: > But how can you resist opening it with a file name like that? > > duncan wrote: > > > > again, this is a virus. tell your admin that you have a virus if you are > > not it... > > > > the AnnaKournikova.jpg.vbs is an evil visual basic script... its a > > virus... > > > > On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Jacqueline Urick wrote: > > > > > Hi: > > > Check This! > > > > > > > -- > > || || || || || || > > duncan shannon .-. > > duncan@sodatrain.com /v\ > > // \\ > > /( )\ L I N U X > > ^^-^^ >Phear the Penguin< > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Imagination is intelligence having fun... e-mail: kethry@winternet.com URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html From dkleist at acm.org Mon Feb 12 13:16:08 2001 From: dkleist at acm.org (Dave Kleist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Samba 2.2 Message-ID: <20010212131608.C7978@coder> Hey, Has anyone worked with Samba 2.2 as a PDC for Win2Krap clients? In particular, know where any installation instructions might be lying around? The website says to compile from CVS (and gives the CVS commands), leaving the specifics of compilation as an exercise for the reader. Being stoopad, I wouldn't know specifically what to do. All I've ever done is .rpm and .deb, with an occasional kernel compile. (is it just running Make?) Also, if anyone has installed Samba 2.2 and has pointers on 2.2 specific gotchas, that would be great. I've got Samba 2.0.6 up and running and working with notME clients, just not Win2K. Thanks. - Dave P.S. BTW, did I read correctly that Samba-TNG is dead in the water? -- Dave Kleist dkleist@acm.org "The covers of this book are too far apart." - Ambrose Bierce From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Feb 12 13:13:12 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Kernel Questions (Or, what is Linux?) In-Reply-To: <3A8822EC.B35E48F9@ltiflex.com>; from andyzb@ltiflex.com on Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 11:52:44AM -0600 References: <3A881B73.CE9A22DF@ltiflex.com> <20010212114757.A1928@minime.sistina.com> <3A8822EC.B35E48F9@ltiflex.com> Message-ID: <20010212131312.A3105@minime.sistina.com> On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 11:52:44AM -0600, Andy Zbikowski wrote: > >Heh..it's been done. Never read the kernel how-to myself...hmmm... > hehe. -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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X-Mailer-Microsoft-Lookout Jackie, disable the vbs extensions in the crummy mailer will you? :-) > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org >> [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Joseph Heil >> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 12:44 PM >> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Here you have, ;o) >> >> >> >> Does this look like a virus or what..... >> >> Quoting Jacqueline Urick (jacque@fruitioninc.com): >> > Hi: >> > Check This! >> >> >> >> -- >> Joseph A. Heil, Jr. Oracle DBA >> heilja@dbsource.com http://www.dbsource.com >> voice: 952-445-8066 fax: 952-445-5196 >> Key fingerprint = 95 FC 3A F4 8A 10 05 85 3F 53 01 86 AD DB DB 51 >> _______________________________________________ >> tclug-list mailing list >> tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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All hail Microsoft LOOKOUT!! > >let your mail admin know! > > > >On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Joseph Heil wrote: > >> >> Does this look like a virus or what..... >> >> Quoting Jacqueline Urick (jacque@fruitioninc.com): >> > Hi: >> > Check This! >> >> >> >> > >-- >|| || || || || || >duncan shannon .-. >duncan@sodatrain.com /v\ > // \\ > /( )\ L I N U X > ^^-^^ >Phear the Penguin< > > > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010212/fba494c1/attachment.pgp From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Mon Feb 12 13:25:57 2001 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Here you have, ;o) In-Reply-To: <20010212130931.A7978@coder>; from dkleist@acm.org on Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 01:09:31PM -0600 References: <00c501c09523$4cee8d30$0200000a@geekstuff> <20010212130453.C5950@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <20010212130931.A7978@coder> Message-ID: <20010212132557.D5950@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Anyone know what it doesn other than email itself out to everyone you know? I don't know VB, and even if I did, the script is all obfuscated... Or maybe Visual Studio does that when you generate a VBS script... Gabe On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 01:09:31PM -0600, Dave Kleist wrote: > > On 2001.02.12 13:04:53 -0600 dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > > About 1 minute before I got this email from the > > list, I got a virus advisory forwarded to me from someone else: > > > > > There is a new E-mail borne virus that is currently spreading throughout > > > the world. > > > > > > > > > The virus is reported to have an attachment named ANNAKOURNIKOVA.JPG.VBS. > > > > Hilarious. Crazy Windows email clients :) > > Gonna be big. I've gotten it twice in 20 minutes. Makes me feel self-righteous > having switched over to Balsa. > > > -- > Dave Kleist > dkleist@acm.org > "The covers of this book are too far apart." > - Ambrose Bierce > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Oh my beloved ice cream bar!! How I love to like your creamy center! Howm! Howm! Howm!! And your oh-so-nutty chocolate covering!!" - Commander Hoek (Ren) in "Space Madness" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From duncan at sodatrain.com Mon Feb 12 13:20:58 2001 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Here you have, ;o) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: pine. On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Mark K wrote: > > USE PINE!! :) > portable and fast, and no worries at all about this. > > ...I hear a poll coming...people that use PINE for email/news? > > MK > > On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > > > Nice, Jaque, real nice :) About 1 minute before I got this email from the > > list, I got a virus advisory forwarded to me from someone else: > > > > > There is a new E-mail borne virus that is currently spreading throughout > > > the world. > > > > > > Information about this virus is still emerging. Current information > > > names > > > the virus VBS_KALAMAR.A, KALAMAR, and > > > VBS/SST. > > > > > > The virus is reported to have an attachment named ANNAKOURNIKOVA.JPG.VBS. > > > > Hilarious. Crazy Windows email clients :) > > > > Gabe > > > > -- || || || || || || duncan shannon .-. duncan@sodatrain.com /v\ // \\ /( )\ L I N U X ^^-^^ >Phear the Penguin< From kethry at winternet.com Mon Feb 12 13:14:04 2001 From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Here you have, ;o) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: here here! I do ...for personal mail anyway - Lotus Notes for work Liz Burke-Scovill On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Mark K wrote: > > USE PINE!! :) > portable and fast, and no worries at all about this. > > ...I hear a poll coming...people that use PINE for email/news? > > MK > > On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > > > Nice, Jaque, real nice :) About 1 minute before I got this email from the > > list, I got a virus advisory forwarded to me from someone else: > > > > > There is a new E-mail borne virus that is currently spreading throughout > > > the world. > > > > > > Information about this virus is still emerging. Current information > > > names > > > the virus VBS_KALAMAR.A, KALAMAR, and > > > VBS/SST. > > > > > > The virus is reported to have an attachment named ANNAKOURNIKOVA.JPG.VBS. > > > > Hilarious. Crazy Windows email clients :) > > > > Gabe > > > > -- Imagination is intelligence having fun... e-mail: kethry@winternet.com URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html From tanner at real-time.com Mon Feb 12 13:18:51 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Here you have, ;o) In-Reply-To: <00c101c09523$4b1b05b0$0200000a@geekstuff>; from jacque@fruitioninc.com on Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 12:40:36PM -0600 References: <00c101c09523$4b1b05b0$0200000a@geekstuff> Message-ID: <20010212131851.E19955@real-time.com> Quoting Jacqueline Urick (jacque@fruitioninc.com): > Hi: > Check This! Hmmm, got to love Windows! Gotta love lookout, err outlook! -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From webgirl at wagtopia.com Mon Feb 12 13:19:15 2001 From: webgirl at wagtopia.com (Heather Wagamon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] virus Message-ID: <01C094F6.66AF3D00.webgirl@wagtopia.com> hey- does anyone know what to do about that virus?? I can't find info anywhere yet... -Heather From tanner at real-time.com Mon Feb 12 13:21:53 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Your message to tclug-announce awaits moderator approval In-Reply-To: ; from manero@yossman.com on Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 01:54:57PM -0500 References: <200102121849.f1CInwl21930@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010212132153.F19955@real-time.com> Quoting Tony Collen (manero@yossman.com): > how did that virus attachment get approved on this list? it makes me want > to unsubscribe. > Because one of the list administrators got a virus and admin posts get approved automaticially. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu Mon Feb 12 13:28:04 2001 From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Samba 2.2 In-Reply-To: <20010212131608.C7978@coder>; from dkleist@acm.org on Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 01:16:08PM -0600 References: <20010212131608.C7978@coder> Message-ID: <20010212132804.E5950@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Is there an autogen.sh script in the module you yanked from CVS? If so, run it and it should generate Makefiles and config stuff. Gabe On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 01:16:08PM -0600, Dave Kleist wrote: > Hey, > > Has anyone worked with Samba 2.2 as a PDC for Win2Krap clients? In particular, > know where any installation instructions might be lying around? The website > says to compile from CVS (and gives the CVS commands), leaving the specifics of > compilation as an exercise for the reader. Being stoopad, I wouldn't know > specifically what to do. All I've ever done is .rpm and .deb, with an > occasional kernel compile. (is it just running Make?) > > Also, if anyone has installed Samba 2.2 and has pointers on 2.2 specific > gotchas, that would be great. I've got Samba 2.0.6 up and running and working > with notME clients, just not Win2K. > > Thanks. > > - Dave > > P.S. BTW, did I read correctly that Samba-TNG is dead in the water? > > -- > Dave Kleist > dkleist@acm.org > "The covers of this book are too far apart." > - Ambrose Bierce > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Turner | X-President, UNIX Systems Administrator, | Assoc. for Computing Machinery U of M Supercomputing Institute for | University of Minnesohta Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation | dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu "Oh my beloved ice cream bar!! How I love to like your creamy center! Howm! Howm! Howm!! And your oh-so-nutty chocolate covering!!" - Commander Hoek (Ren) in "Space Madness" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jacque at fruitioninc.com Mon Feb 12 13:22:47 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Here you have, ;o) In-Reply-To: <20010212131419.B3105@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: where? I've looked several times and even tired the (non)"help" but any "msoffice" type document opens w/o asking...though I get prompted from any non-office document... I switched to lookout because my client uses all those "features" (calendar, etc), incidentally, they are the ones who got the virus first. grrr. I think I might just go back to netscape (hey I have to use windows or a mac here, kids). At least embarassing things like this don't happen with netscape. ~j > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Ben Lutgens > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 1:14 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Here you have, ;o) > > > On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 12:53:37PM -0600, Jacqueline Urick wrote: > >sorry guys..a client just sent this to me and it automagically > >mailed...don't open it! > > X-Mailer-Microsoft-Lookout > > Jackie, disable the vbs extensions in the crummy mailer will you? :-) > > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > >> [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Joseph Heil > >> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 12:44 PM > >> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Here you have, ;o) > >> > >> > >> > >> Does this look like a virus or what..... > >> > >> Quoting Jacqueline Urick (jacque@fruitioninc.com): > >> > Hi: > >> > Check This! > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Joseph A. Heil, Jr. Oracle DBA > >> heilja@dbsource.com http://www.dbsource.com > >> voice: 952-445-8066 fax: 952-445-5196 > >> Key fingerprint = 95 FC 3A F4 8A 10 05 85 3F 53 01 86 AD DB DB 51 > >> _______________________________________________ > >> tclug-list mailing list > >> tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >tclug-list mailing list > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- > Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 > Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 > System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ > > Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details > From duncan at sodatrain.com Mon Feb 12 13:32:48 2001 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Here you have, ;o) In-Reply-To: <20010212132557.D5950@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: From clay at fandre.com Mon Feb 12 13:31:41 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Samba 2.2 References: <20010212131608.C7978@coder> Message-ID: <3A883A1D.29F8ACD9@fandre.com> Dave Kleist wrote: > > Hey, > > Has anyone worked with Samba 2.2 as a PDC for Win2Krap clients? In particular, > know where any installation instructions might be lying around? The website > says to compile from CVS (and gives the CVS commands), leaving the specifics of > compilation as an exercise for the reader. Being stoopad, I wouldn't know > specifically what to do. All I've ever done is .rpm and .deb, with an > occasional kernel compile. (is it just running Make?) > > Also, if anyone has installed Samba 2.2 and has pointers on 2.2 specific > gotchas, that would be great. I've got Samba 2.0.6 up and running and working > with notME clients, just not Win2K. > > Thanks. You check out the docs already? http://us4.samba.org/samba/docs/samba-pdc-howto.html http://us4.samba.org/samba/docs/samba-pdc-faq.html > > - Dave > > P.S. BTW, did I read correctly that Samba-TNG is dead in the water? Where did you hear that from? From clay at fandre.com Mon Feb 12 13:35:08 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Samba 2.2 References: <20010212131608.C7978@coder> Message-ID: <3A883AEC.93970AB6@fandre.com> Dave Kleist wrote: > > > P.S. BTW, did I read correctly that Samba-TNG is dead in the water? Their mailing lists are still active. (especially the CVS) http://samba.cadcamlab.org/lists/ From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Feb 12 13:39:14 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Here you have, ;o) In-Reply-To: <00c101c09523$4b1b05b0$0200000a@geekstuff>; from jacque@fruitioninc.com on Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 12:40:36PM -0600 References: <00c101c09523$4b1b05b0$0200000a@geekstuff> Message-ID: <20010212133914.A19442@wookimus.net> On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 12:40:36PM -0600, Jacqueline Urick wrote: > Hi: > Check This! ROFL! Way to go WINDOWS USER! Only one of your population is succeptable to the influences of a VBS virus. ;-) Good job! -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010212/431db56c/attachment.pgp From tanner at real-time.com Mon Feb 12 13:41:39 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Here you have, ;o) In-Reply-To: ; from duncan@sodatrain.com on Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 02:32:48PM -0500 References: <20010212132557.D5950@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010212134139.M19955@real-time.com> What I don't understand is how can a linux mailing list (a list DEDICATED to linux) can be effected by a WINDOWS virus. First, any virus sent to the list should be ineffective, because everyone should be running linux right? Second, a virus should not be sent to the list because of the first point. How about a procmail receipe like this: :0B * ^X-Mailer: Microsoft.* { :0 /dev/null } -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From foeclan at winternet.com Mon Feb 12 13:44:39 2001 From: foeclan at winternet.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Here you have, ;o) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Pine here, too. Michael Vieths Foeclan@Winternet.Com On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Mark K wrote: > > USE PINE!! :) > portable and fast, and no worries at all about this. > > ...I hear a poll coming...people that use PINE for email/news? > > MK > > On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > > > Nice, Jaque, real nice :) About 1 minute before I got this email from the > > list, I got a virus advisory forwarded to me from someone else: > > > > > There is a new E-mail borne virus that is currently spreading throughout > > > the world. > > > > > > Information about this virus is still emerging. Current information > > > names > > > the virus VBS_KALAMAR.A, KALAMAR, and > > > VBS/SST. > > > > > > The virus is reported to have an attachment named ANNAKOURNIKOVA.JPG.VBS. > > > > Hilarious. Crazy Windows email clients :) > > > > Gabe > > > > -- > ________________________________________________________ > ReadyNET Go!, Inc. - Building your Business on the net > ________________________________________________________ > > Mark J. Kroska > MIS Director > > 320.656.0765 Voice > 888.447.3239 Toll Free > 320.203.7052 Fax > http://www.readynetgo.com > mailto:mkroska@readynetgo.com > ________________________________________________________ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From andyzb at ltiflex.com Mon Feb 12 13:42:56 2001 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:45 2005 Subject: Enhancing E-Mail Security With Procmail (Was Re: [TCLUG] Here you have, ;o)) References: Message-ID: <3A883CC0.74B4D1E7@ltiflex.com> Oh for the days when you couldn't get a virus just by reading your e-mail... For you admin types who could use a free sanitizer for this kind of junk... ftp://ftp.rubyriver.com/pub/jhardin/antispam/procmail-security.html I just updated this today and it worked beautifly, caught the message and send it off to quarintine. I love free software. I haighly recomend you file it under your "stupid (and not so stupid) procmail tricks." -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: andyzb.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 367 bytes Desc: Card for Andy Zbikowski Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010212/d9027e45/andyzb.vcf From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Feb 12 13:45:11 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Here you have, ;o) In-Reply-To: ; from jacque@fruitioninc.com on Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 01:22:47PM -0600 References: <20010212131419.B3105@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010212134511.B19442@wookimus.net> On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 01:22:47PM -0600, Jacqueline Urick wrote: > where? I've looked several times and even tired the (non)"help" but > any "msoffice" type document opens w/o asking...though I get > prompted from any non-office document... > > I switched to lookout because my client uses all those "features" > (calendar, etc), incidentally, they are the ones who got the virus > first. grrr. I think I might just go back to netscape (hey I have to > use windows or a mac here, kids). At least embarassing things like > this don't happen with netscape. Yes, but you could use mutt with Cygwin ;-). Get a real MUA *grin*. http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin You might as well install bash|tcsh, vi|emacs, grep, and all the cool UNIX tools you can't normally get on a Windoze machine. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Run those three commands (along with the autogen.sh if it exists)? > > > > P.S. BTW, did I read correctly that Samba-TNG is dead in the water? > > Where did you hear that from? I think I read it as a blurb on a Google search. Something about "with the departure of Luke, development on Samba TNG has halted" or to that effect. Hard to say from the website for tng, since it seems a bit stale (of course, I could have misread the site through bleary eyes), or gotten the dates on stuff confused. - Dave -- Dave Kleist dkleist@acm.org "The covers of this book are too far apart." - Ambrose Bierce From clay at fandre.com Mon Feb 12 13:51:23 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Here you have, ;o) References: Message-ID: <3A883EBB.D21ACA18@fandre.com> Liz Burke-Scovill wrote: > > **chuckle** very easy - look at the .vbs part ;) > Easy for you to say. More details about the virus: http://vil.nai.com/vil/virusSummary.asp?virus_k=99011 > Liz Burke-Scovill > > On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > But how can you resist opening it with a file name like that? > > > > duncan wrote: > > > > > > again, this is a virus. tell your admin that you have a virus if you are > > > not it... > > > > > > the AnnaKournikova.jpg.vbs is an evil visual basic script... its a > > > virus... > > > From duncan at sodatrain.com Mon Feb 12 13:57:42 2001 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Here you have, ;o) In-Reply-To: <20010212134139.M19955@real-time.com> Message-ID: my two cents on why i was posting: i was posting about the M$ virus, becase i assumed that there we others on the list that were in a similar situation as I find myself... Linux admin, who has a exchange server on their network, was trying to help thoes people, as it seemed to be spredding quickly and i want able to find much of anything about it on the net yet. i hope to not have troubled anyone with the messages that i have contributed re: virus. ps, sounds like a great procmail recipie to me! On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > What I don't understand is how can a linux mailing list (a list DEDICATED to > linux) can be effected by a WINDOWS virus. > > First, any virus sent to the list should be ineffective, because everyone should > be running linux right? > > Second, a virus should not be sent to the list because of the first point. > > How about a procmail receipe like this: > > :0B > * ^X-Mailer: Microsoft.* > { > :0 > /dev/null > } > > -- || || || || || || duncan shannon .-. duncan@sodatrain.com /v\ // \\ /( )\ L I N U X ^^-^^ >Phear the Penguin< From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Feb 12 13:53:47 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OpenGL vs Mesa In-Reply-To: <20010212034652.A19955@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 03:46:52AM -0600 References: <20010212034652.A19955@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010212135347.C19442@wookimus.net> On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 03:46:52AM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > I might be missing something here, but what is the difference > between OpenGL and Mesa? There was a GREAT article that explained the differences between the different 3D accel environments for Linux. The bottom line comes down to this. If you have 3D accel hardware, you should upgrade to the 2.2.18+ or the 2.4.x kernel to get your /dev/agpart and DRM support for your specific video card. Then use XFree86 v4.0.1 or greater to get your DRI support. Quake III plays just as fast in Linux for me as it does in Windows now with this setup on my VooDoo-III 3000 AGP. The cool 3D screensavers actually run at a normal speed, too! ;-) -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010212/7e76defa/attachment.pgp From jeffr at odeon.net Mon Feb 12 14:11:22 2001 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] virus In-Reply-To: <01C094F6.66AF3D00.webgirl@wagtopia.com> Message-ID: Hehehe, the company I work for uses exchange, and somebody decided it was a good idea to create a global mailing list for all the directors and above, and global departmental lists for every department (which include the directors those departments report to). These are still in place even after all of the recent e-mail VBS virii. You can image how long it takes for something like this to spread in such an environment, and how long it takes to stamp out... Maybe I shouldn't be assumed by this, but after the last three projects I wanted to do with a small linux/bsd box were stopped by operations who said they would implement it for my department in Clarify or Exchange or whatever because linux and/or xBSD were insecure (and have yet to do any of them)... Well, it's enough to make someone look for a new job. Jeff From webgirl at wagtopia.com Mon Feb 12 14:10:59 2001 From: webgirl at wagtopia.com (Heather Wagamon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Here you have, ;o) Message-ID: <01C094FD.A09F3900.webgirl@wagtopia.com> we're running a linux server, and have windows installed on all of our computers on the network. Thats why I was concerned about the virus. I thought maybe since there was such a big dicussion on it, and not much info on the internet about it, someone would be able to help. Do we need to worry about it- since we're running a linux server- even though we have windows on the computers? -----Original Message----- From: duncan [SMTP:duncan@sodatrain.com] Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 1:58 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Here you have, ;o) my two cents on why i was posting: i was posting about the M$ virus, becase i assumed that there we others on the list that were in a similar situation as I find myself... Linux admin, who has a exchange server on their network, was trying to help thoes people, as it seemed to be spredding quickly and i want able to find much of anything about it on the net yet. i hope to not have troubled anyone with the messages that i have contributed re: virus. ps, sounds like a great procmail recipie to me! On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > What I don't understand is how can a linux mailing list (a list DEDICATED to > linux) can be effected by a WINDOWS virus. > > First, any virus sent to the list should be ineffective, because everyone should > be running linux right? > > Second, a virus should not be sent to the list because of the first point. > > How about a procmail receipe like this: > > :0B > * ^X-Mailer: Microsoft.* > { > :0 > /dev/null > } > > -- || || || || || || duncan shannon .-. duncan@sodatrain.com /v\ // \\ /( )\ L I N U X ^^-^^ >Phear the Penguin< _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From andyzb at ltiflex.com Mon Feb 12 14:13:01 2001 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Here you have, ;o) [Exchange Thoughts] References: Message-ID: <3A8843CD.2B887B51@ltiflex.com> duncan wrote: > > my two cents on why i was posting: > > i was posting about the M$ virus, becase i assumed that there we others on > the list that were in a similar situation as I find myself... Linux admin, > who has a exchange server on their network, was trying to help thoes > people, as it seemed to be spredding quickly and i want able to find much > of anything about it on the net yet. ftp://ftp.rubyriver.com/pub/jhardin/antispam/procmail-security.html They have some info on setting up a sendmail relay to protect an Exchange server here: ftp://ftp.rubyriver.com/pub/jhardin/antispam/procmail-on-gateway.txt Definitly not a definitife HOWTO though. Personally, if forced to run Exchange, I'd probally set up something similar. Then again, I threatened to quit in the middle of my documentation project when sales started asking about Exchange. Amazing how fast they'll sing a different tune... :) Anyway, our mail server here has gotten 10 of these so far. All of them have been shoved off to /var/spool/mail/security and haven't been delivered. Pretty darn slick if you ask me. If you are in a situation where you have to run Exchange, I'd definitly be looking into the sendmail relay type soultion. (But really, use postfix or something instead of sendmail.) Probally a decent compromise. -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From m_nassar at yahoo.com Mon Feb 12 14:27:08 2001 From: m_nassar at yahoo.com (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] openoffice In-Reply-To: <200102120637.f1C6bgl08479@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010212202708.77816.qmail@web10103.mail.yahoo.com> There was an article in MaximumLinux about that, (March/April 2001 issue) and apparently when sun released the source code for StarOffice they stripped all the Copyrighted code... and printing was part of that code... your best bet is to talk to the OpenOffice help guys (who are current/former sun employees) it appears that they are working on it but it will take them sometime... -munir > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 15:51:54 -0600 (CST) > From: Ben Kochie > To: > Subject: [TCLUG] openoffice > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > hey.. I'm playing with openoffice 614, and for the > life of me, printing is > screwed up.. I found the docs on Xprt, for > staroffice, but I'm not finding > anything usefull with redhat7 > > Thank You, > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its > friends." > > ===== -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GAT GIT dpu- s:- a19 C++ UL P+ L+(++) E--- W+ N+ w(--) K? O-- M- V- PS+ PE-(--) Y-- PGP-(---) t 5+++ X R tv-- b+++ D++ DI++ G e+ h+() r- y+ UF++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From natecars at real-time.com Mon Feb 12 14:40:27 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Samba 2.2 In-Reply-To: <20010212131608.C7978@coder> Message-ID: On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Dave Kleist wrote: > Has anyone worked with Samba 2.2 as a PDC for Win2Krap clients? In particular, > know where any installation instructions might be lying around? The website > says to compile from CVS (and gives the CVS commands), leaving the specifics of > compilation as an exercise for the reader. Being stoopad, I wouldn't know > specifically what to do. All I've ever done is .rpm and .deb, with an > occasional kernel compile. (is it just running Make?) You compile it pretty much the same way you compile 2.0.. I've never actually bothered testing it, just built a RPM of it up at one point and never touched it again. :) > Also, if anyone has installed Samba 2.2 and has pointers on 2.2 specific > gotchas, that would be great. I've got Samba 2.0.6 up and running and working > with notME clients, just not Win2K. > > Thanks. > > - Dave > > P.S. BTW, did I read correctly that Samba-TNG is dead in the water? > > -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From sraun at fireopal.org Mon Feb 12 16:05:24 2001 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Here you have, ;o) In-Reply-To: ; from mkroska@readynetgo.com on Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 01:08:00PM -0600 References: <20010212130453.C5950@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010212160524.A21863@iaxs.net> On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 01:08:00PM -0600, Mark K wrote: > > USE PINE!! :) > portable and fast, and no worries at all about this. > > ...I hear a poll coming...people that use PINE for email/news? Mutt -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From jcook at k-lug.com Mon Feb 12 16:07:09 2001 From: jcook at k-lug.com (Cook, Justin S.) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Here you have, ;o) References: <20010212130453.C5950@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <20010212160524.A21863@iaxs.net> Message-ID: <007d01c09540$24e050e0$b815020a@winona.msus.edu> KMail and Outlook Justin Cook mailto:jcook@k-lug.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Raun To: Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Here you have, ;o) > On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 01:08:00PM -0600, Mark K wrote: > > > > USE PINE!! :) > > portable and fast, and no worries at all about this. > > > > ...I hear a poll coming...people that use PINE for email/news? > > Mutt > > -- > Scott Raun > sraun@fireopal.org > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From destef at destef.com Mon Feb 12 16:12:18 2001 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Show of hands for the virus In-Reply-To: References: <20010212130453.C5950@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <200102122212.f1CMC3g08671@destef.com> I use it for backup when I only have telnet access. I use Eudora for windows mail. Show of hands everyone...who fell for this and opened it (if you knew what you were opening before doing so then dont raise your hand). Be honest now.... Jason At 01:08 PM 2/12/01 -0600, you wrote: > >USE PINE!! :) >portable and fast, and no worries at all about this. > >...I hear a poll coming...people that use PINE for email/news? > >MK > >On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > >> Nice, Jaque, real nice :) About 1 minute before I got this email from the >> list, I got a virus advisory forwarded to me from someone else: >> >> > There is a new E-mail borne virus that is currently spreading throughout >> > the world. >> > >> > Information about this virus is still emerging. Current information >> > names >> > the virus VBS_KALAMAR.A, KALAMAR, and >> > VBS/SST. >> > >> > The virus is reported to have an attachment named ANNAKOURNIKOVA.JPG.VBS. >> >> Hilarious. Crazy Windows email clients :) >> >> Gabe >> > >-- >________________________________________________________ >ReadyNET Go!, Inc. - Building your Business on the net >________________________________________________________ > >Mark J. Kroska >MIS Director > >320.656.0765 Voice >888.447.3239 Toll Free >320.203.7052 Fax >http://www.readynetgo.com >mailto:mkroska@readynetgo.com >________________________________________________________ > > > > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jsowers at osii.com Mon Feb 12 16:17:30 2001 From: jsowers at osii.com (Jason Sowers) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Here you have, ;o) In-Reply-To: <007d01c09540$24e050e0$b815020a@winona.msus.edu> Message-ID: It truly is a disturbing decision to be forced to make. Use PINE, which is very stable, fast, and virtually affected by no viruses, or Outlook, which is great for the medium to large business (with all it's features) yet is a script-kiddies dream. I use outlook here, not by my own decision. Corporate you understand. :-) ____________________________________ Jason Sowers Network Engineer Open Systems International 3600 Holly Lane North Suite 40 Minneapolis, MN 55447-1286 Phone: (763) 551-0559 Fax: (763) 551-1750 Email: jsowers@osii.com http: www.osii.com & www.e-scada.com -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Cook, Justin S. Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 4:07 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Here you have, ;o) KMail and Outlook Justin Cook mailto:jcook@k-lug.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Raun To: Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Here you have, ;o) > On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 01:08:00PM -0600, Mark K wrote: > > > > USE PINE!! :) > > portable and fast, and no worries at all about this. > > > > ...I hear a poll coming...people that use PINE for email/news? > > Mutt > > -- > Scott Raun > sraun@fireopal.org > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jsowers at osii.com Mon Feb 12 16:17:31 2001 From: jsowers at osii.com (Jason Sowers) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Show of hands for the virus In-Reply-To: <200102122212.f1CMC3g08671@destef.com> Message-ID: We had it, cleaned it no biggie. ____________________________________ Jason Sowers Network Engineer Open Systems International 3600 Holly Lane North Suite 40 Minneapolis, MN 55447-1286 Phone: (763) 551-0559 Fax: (763) 551-1750 Email: jsowers@osii.com http: www.osii.com & www.e-scada.com -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Jason DeStefano Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 4:12 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Show of hands for the virus I use it for backup when I only have telnet access. I use Eudora for windows mail. Show of hands everyone...who fell for this and opened it (if you knew what you were opening before doing so then dont raise your hand). Be honest now.... Jason At 01:08 PM 2/12/01 -0600, you wrote: > >USE PINE!! :) >portable and fast, and no worries at all about this. > >...I hear a poll coming...people that use PINE for email/news? > >MK > >On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > >> Nice, Jaque, real nice :) About 1 minute before I got this email from the >> list, I got a virus advisory forwarded to me from someone else: >> >> > There is a new E-mail borne virus that is currently spreading throughout >> > the world. >> > >> > Information about this virus is still emerging. Current information >> > names >> > the virus VBS_KALAMAR.A, KALAMAR, and >> > VBS/SST. >> > >> > The virus is reported to have an attachment named ANNAKOURNIKOVA.JPG.VBS. >> >> Hilarious. Crazy Windows email clients :) >> >> Gabe >> > >-- >________________________________________________________ >ReadyNET Go!, Inc. - Building your Business on the net >________________________________________________________ > >Mark J. Kroska >MIS Director > >320.656.0765 Voice >888.447.3239 Toll Free >320.203.7052 Fax >http://www.readynetgo.com >mailto:mkroska@readynetgo.com >________________________________________________________ > > > > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dcsherman at qwest.net Mon Feb 12 18:21:17 2001 From: dcsherman at qwest.net (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Here you have, ;o) In-Reply-To: <20010212160524.A21863@iaxs.net> References: <20010212130453.C5950@sorry.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010212162045.009eeec0@pop.mpls.qwest.net> kmail Dave >On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 01:08:00PM -0600, Mark K wrote: > > > > USE PINE!! :) > > portable and fast, and no worries at all about this. > > > > ...I hear a poll coming...people that use PINE for email/news? Dave Sherman SoftServ Business Systems, Inc. "Quid quid latine dictum sit, webmaster@ssbs.com altum viditur." (763) 569-9839 From esper at sherohman.org Mon Feb 12 16:21:32 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Show of hands for the virus In-Reply-To: <200102122212.f1CMC3g08671@destef.com>; from destef@destef.com on Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 04:12:18PM -0600 References: <20010212130453.C5950@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <200102122212.f1CMC3g08671@destef.com> Message-ID: <20010212162132.H3807@sherohman.org> On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 04:12:18PM -0600, Jason DeStefano wrote: > Show of hands everyone...who fell for this and opened it (if > you knew what you were opening before doing so then dont raise > your hand). Be honest now.... I opened it. In mutt. Didn't look very interesting, though. -- SGI products are used to create the 'Bugs' that entertain us in theatres and at home. - SGI job posting Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Feb 12 16:27:35 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Here you have, ;o) In-Reply-To: ; from jsowers@osii.com on Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 04:17:30PM -0600 References: <007d01c09540$24e050e0$b815020a@winona.msus.edu> Message-ID: <20010212162735.A55301@minime.sistina.com> On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 04:17:30PM -0600, Jason Sowers wrote: >It truly is a disturbing decision to be forced to make. Use PINE, which is >very stable, fast, and virtually affected by no viruses, or Outlook, which >is great for the medium to large business (with all it's features) yet is a >script-kiddies dream. I use outlook here, not by my own decision. >Corporate you understand. :-) Sure hope it's a great job cause with stupid corporate policies like that.... -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010212/3d587cf4/attachment.pgp From webgirl at wagtopia.com Mon Feb 12 16:26:11 2001 From: webgirl at wagtopia.com (Heather Wagamon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Show of hands for the virus Message-ID: <01C09510.83631CE0.webgirl@wagtopia.com> how did you clean it? I downloaded the latest updates for our virus software and its not detecting anything... -----Original Message----- From: Jason Sowers [SMTP:jsowers@osii.com] Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 4:18 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Show of hands for the virus We had it, cleaned it no biggie. ____________________________________ Jason Sowers Network Engineer Open Systems International 3600 Holly Lane North Suite 40 Minneapolis, MN 55447-1286 Phone: (763) 551-0559 Fax: (763) 551-1750 Email: jsowers@osii.com http: www.osii.com & www.e-scada.com -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Jason DeStefano Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 4:12 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Show of hands for the virus I use it for backup when I only have telnet access. I use Eudora for windows mail. Show of hands everyone...who fell for this and opened it (if you knew what you were opening before doing so then dont raise your hand). Be honest now.... Jason At 01:08 PM 2/12/01 -0600, you wrote: > >USE PINE!! :) >portable and fast, and no worries at all about this. > >...I hear a poll coming...people that use PINE for email/news? > >MK > >On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > >> Nice, Jaque, real nice :) About 1 minute before I got this email from the >> list, I got a virus advisory forwarded to me from someone else: >> >> > There is a new E-mail borne virus that is currently spreading throughout >> > the world. >> > >> > Information about this virus is still emerging. Current information >> > names >> > the virus VBS_KALAMAR.A, KALAMAR, and >> > VBS/SST. >> > >> > The virus is reported to have an attachment named ANNAKOURNIKOVA.JPG.VBS. >> >> Hilarious. Crazy Windows email clients :) >> >> Gabe >> > >-- >________________________________________________________ >ReadyNET Go!, Inc. - Building your Business on the net >________________________________________________________ > >Mark J. Kroska >MIS Director > >320.656.0765 Voice >888.447.3239 Toll Free >320.203.7052 Fax >http://www.readynetgo.com >mailto:mkroska@readynetgo.com >________________________________________________________ > > > > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lanbarnes at earthlink.net Mon Feb 12 16:41:52 2001 From: lanbarnes at earthlink.net (Lan Barnes) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] virus References: <01C094F6.66AF3D00.webgirl@wagtopia.com> Message-ID: <3A8866B0.35803CF8@earthlink.net> Heather Wagamon wrote: > > hey- > does anyone know what to do about that virus?? I can't find info anywhere yet... > -Heather Convert to Linux? Shoot all your users dumb enough to mindlessly open an attachment under Win XX? Both? HTH -- Lan Barnes lanbarnes@earthlink.net Icon Consulting, Inc 858-273-6677 Key fingerprint = 57D6 C219 140A A81E 26C6 8138 0E62 7F4A 2659 7389 "When you wake up in the morning, Pooh," said Piglet at last, "what's the first thing you say to yourself?" "What's for breakfast?" said Pooh. "What do you say, Piglet?" "I say, I wonder what's going to happen exciting today?" said Piglet. Pooh nodded thoughtfully. "It's the same thing," he said. - A. A. Milne, "Winnie-The-Pooh" From jacque at fruitioninc.com Mon Feb 12 16:42:52 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Here you have, ;o) In-Reply-To: <20010212134511.B19442@wookimus.net> Message-ID: I'm already running cygwin, but I don't like mutt. > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Chad C. Walstrom > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 1:45 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Here you have, ;o) > > > On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 01:22:47PM -0600, Jacqueline Urick wrote: > > where? I've looked several times and even tired the (non)"help" but > > any "msoffice" type document opens w/o asking...though I get > > prompted from any non-office document... > > > > I switched to lookout because my client uses all those "features" > > (calendar, etc), incidentally, they are the ones who got the virus > > first. grrr. I think I might just go back to netscape (hey I have to > > use windows or a mac here, kids). At least embarassing things like > > this don't happen with netscape. > > Yes, but you could use mutt with Cygwin ;-). Get a real MUA *grin*. > > http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin > > You might as well install bash|tcsh, vi|emacs, grep, and all the cool UNIX > tools you can't normally get on a Windoze machine. > > -- > Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie > http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr > Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD > > From jacque at fruitioninc.com Mon Feb 12 16:46:55 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Show of hands for the virus In-Reply-To: <01C09510.83631CE0.webgirl@wagtopia.com> Message-ID: http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/vbs.sst@mm.html Luckily this one doesn't do much damage. > > how did you clean it? I downloaded the latest updates for our > virus software and its not detecting anything... > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jason Sowers [SMTP:jsowers@osii.com] > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 4:18 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Show of hands for the virus > > We had it, cleaned it no biggie. > > > > ____________________________________ > Jason Sowers > Network Engineer > Open Systems International > 3600 Holly Lane North Suite 40 > Minneapolis, MN 55447-1286 > Phone: (763) 551-0559 > Fax: (763) 551-1750 > Email: jsowers@osii.com > http: www.osii.com & www.e-scada.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Jason DeStefano > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 4:12 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Show of hands for the virus > > > I use it for backup when I only have telnet access. I use > Eudora for windows mail. > > Show of hands everyone...who fell for this and opened it (if > you knew what you were opening before doing so then dont raise > your hand). Be honest now.... > > Jason > > At 01:08 PM 2/12/01 -0600, you wrote: > > > >USE PINE!! :) > >portable and fast, and no worries at all about this. > > > >...I hear a poll coming...people that use PINE for email/news? > > > >MK > > > >On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > > > >> Nice, Jaque, real nice :) About 1 minute before I got this email from > the > >> list, I got a virus advisory forwarded to me from someone else: > >> > >> > There is a new E-mail borne virus that is currently spreading > throughout > >> > the world. > >> > > >> > Information about this virus is still emerging. Current information > >> > names > >> > the virus VBS_KALAMAR.A, KALAMAR, and > >> > VBS/SST. > >> > > >> > The virus is reported to have an attachment named > ANNAKOURNIKOVA.JPG.VBS. > >> > >> Hilarious. Crazy Windows email clients :) > >> > >> Gabe > >> > > > >-- > >________________________________________________________ > >ReadyNET Go!, Inc. - Building your Business on the net > >________________________________________________________ > > > >Mark J. Kroska > >MIS Director > > > >320.656.0765 Voice > >888.447.3239 Toll Free > >320.203.7052 Fax > >http://www.readynetgo.com > >mailto:mkroska@readynetgo.com > >________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >tclug-list mailing list > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From andyzb at ltiflex.com Mon Feb 12 16:48:45 2001 From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Show of hands for the virus References: <01C09510.83631CE0.webgirl@wagtopia.com> Message-ID: <3A88684D.4CEBE177@ltiflex.com> Heather Wagamon wrote: > > how did you clean it? I downloaded the latest updates for our virus software and its not detecting anything... > Hope that's helpful, it's the only security alert I've found so far, but I'm sure there are others, somewhere. http://vil.nai.com/vil/virusSummary.asp?virus_k=99011 Search SecurityFocus for AnnaKournikova.jpg.vbs and you should get some useful results. http://www.securityfocus.com/frames/?content=/templates/archive.pike%3Flist%3D2%26mid%3D162175 Oh yeah, I opened it, with vi. :) -- Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH) 763-428-9119 (EX) 132 21801 Industrial Blvd | (FX) 763-428-9126 Rogers, MN 55374 | (PCS) 612-306-6055 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: andyzb.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 367 bytes Desc: Card for Andy Zbikowski Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010212/fb4d7d15/andyzb.vcf From fertch at mninter.net Mon Feb 12 17:05:10 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Show of hands for the virus References: <01C09510.83631CE0.webgirl@wagtopia.com> Message-ID: <3A886C26.5FE84767@mninter.net> With McCrappy, it wouldn't clean it. Only say that it had to be deleted. Sad to day, but I'm on a Win2K machine right now. My laptop is slowly getting configured and I haven't gotten to far yet. I'm building from Slackware 7.01 so I can learn as much as possible. Shawn Heather Wagamon wrote: > how did you clean it? I downloaded the latest updates for our virus software and its not detecting anything... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jason Sowers [SMTP:jsowers@osii.com] > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 4:18 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Show of hands for the virus > > We had it, cleaned it no biggie. > > ____________________________________ > Jason Sowers > Network Engineer > Open Systems International > 3600 Holly Lane North Suite 40 > Minneapolis, MN 55447-1286 > Phone: (763) 551-0559 > Fax: (763) 551-1750 > Email: jsowers@osii.com > http: www.osii.com & www.e-scada.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Jason DeStefano > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 4:12 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Show of hands for the virus > > I use it for backup when I only have telnet access. I use > Eudora for windows mail. > > Show of hands everyone...who fell for this and opened it (if > you knew what you were opening before doing so then dont raise > your hand). Be honest now.... > > Jason > > At 01:08 PM 2/12/01 -0600, you wrote: > > > >USE PINE!! :) > >portable and fast, and no worries at all about this. > > > >...I hear a poll coming...people that use PINE for email/news? > > > >MK > > > >On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote: > > > >> Nice, Jaque, real nice :) About 1 minute before I got this email from > the > >> list, I got a virus advisory forwarded to me from someone else: > >> > >> > There is a new E-mail borne virus that is currently spreading > throughout > >> > the world. > >> > > >> > Information about this virus is still emerging. Current information > >> > names > >> > the virus VBS_KALAMAR.A, KALAMAR, and > >> > VBS/SST. > >> > > >> > The virus is reported to have an attachment named > ANNAKOURNIKOVA.JPG.VBS. > >> > >> Hilarious. Crazy Windows email clients :) > >> > >> Gabe > >> > > > >-- > >________________________________________________________ > >ReadyNET Go!, Inc. - Building your Business on the net > >________________________________________________________ > > > >Mark J. Kroska > >MIS Director > > > >320.656.0765 Voice > >888.447.3239 Toll Free > >320.203.7052 Fax > >http://www.readynetgo.com > >mailto:mkroska@readynetgo.com > >________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >tclug-list mailing list > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jsowers at osii.com Mon Feb 12 17:06:22 2001 From: jsowers at osii.com (Jason Sowers) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Here you have, ;o) In-Reply-To: <20010212162735.A55301@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: Yes, it is a great job, and I am not the Internal IS guy. That is taken care of by another individual. I am just the Cisco geek. Anyway, you have to see thing from a business standpoint, outlook has some great features that, unfortunately, pine cannot offer. ____________________________________ Jason Sowers Network Engineer Open Systems International 3600 Holly Lane North Suite 40 Minneapolis, MN 55447-1286 Phone: (763) 551-0559 Fax: (763) 551-1750 Email: jsowers@osii.com http: www.osii.com & www.e-scada.com -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Ben Lutgens Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 4:28 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Here you have, ;o) On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 04:17:30PM -0600, Jason Sowers wrote: >It truly is a disturbing decision to be forced to make. Use PINE, which is >very stable, fast, and virtually affected by no viruses, or Outlook, which >is great for the medium to large business (with all it's features) yet is a >script-kiddies dream. I use outlook here, not by my own decision. >Corporate you understand. :-) Sure hope it's a great job cause with stupid corporate policies like that.... -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details From Troy.Johnson at health.state.mn.us Mon Feb 12 17:22:23 2001 From: Troy.Johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Here you have, ;o) Message-ID: It just does not seem like the kind of app you'd find at a place called "Open Systems International" (said the guy using GroupWise). ;-) >>> jsowers@osii.com 02/12/01 05:06PM >>> Anyway, you have to see thing from a business standpoint, outlook has some great features that, unfortunately, pine cannot offer. ____________________________________ Jason Sowers Network Engineer Open Systems International 3600 Holly Lane North Suite 40 Minneapolis, MN 55447-1286 Phone: (763) 551-0559 Fax: (763) 551-1750 Email: jsowers@osii.com http: www.osii.com & www.e-scada.com -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Ben Lutgens Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 4:28 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Here you have, ;o) On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 04:17:30PM -0600, Jason Sowers wrote: >It truly is a disturbing decision to be forced to make. Use PINE, which is >very stable, fast, and virtually affected by no viruses, or Outlook, which >is great for the medium to large business (with all it's features) yet is a >script-kiddies dream. I use outlook here, not by my own decision. >Corporate you understand. :-) Sure hope it's a great job cause with stupid corporate policies like that.... -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu Mon Feb 12 17:32:04 2001 From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Show of hands for the virus Message-ID: <010212173204.20323ef7@dcmir.med.umn.edu> I opened it in VMSmail. Ed Hoeffner 1-271 BSBE 312 Church St. SE Mpls, MN 55455 hoeffner@dcmir.med.umn.edu 612-625-2115 612-625-2163 fax From dd-b at dd-b.net Mon Feb 12 17:42:53 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Here you have, ;o) In-Reply-To: <007d01c09540$24e050e0$b815020a@winona.msus.edu> References: <20010212130453.C5950@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <20010212160524.A21863@iaxs.net> <007d01c09540$24e050e0$b815020a@winona.msus.edu> Message-ID: Emacs Gnus and vm currently. -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From dd-b at dd-b.net Mon Feb 12 17:43:35 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Here you have, ;o) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Jason Sowers" writes: > Yes, it is a great job, and I am not the Internal IS guy. That is taken > care of by another individual. I am just the Cisco geek. Anyway, you have > to see thing from a business standpoint, outlook has some great features > that, unfortunately, pine cannot offer. > > ____________________________________ > Jason Sowers > Network Engineer > Open Systems International Interesting name for a place so into Outlook! -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From thudak at sistina.com Mon Feb 12 17:46:59 2001 From: thudak at sistina.com (Tom Hudak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] openoffice In-Reply-To: ; from ben@nerp.net on Sun, Feb 11, 2001 at 03:51:54PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20010212174659.C13584@cesium.sistina.com> On Sun, Feb 11, 2001 at 03:51:54PM -0600, Ben Kochie wrote: >hey.. I'm playing with openoffice 614, and for the life of me, printing is >screwed up.. I found the docs on Xprt, for staroffice, but I'm not finding >anything usefull with redhat7 You have stumbled upon quite possibly the STUPIDEST thing I've ever heard of.. These guys doing openoffice, believe that in order to support printing, they must take it upon themselves to standardize printing across all unices!! So, rather than write in some code to convert to PS and use lpr to print (like most unices.) they would rather not have you print at all until they have a final solution. If you ask me, it's about the dumbest thing I've ever heard of, but then again they are almost all former sun employee's, so they may not be used to they ways of "users" who like "features" like the ability to PRINT! Just my $.02. If you can convert your stuff to PS and print that way, I would recommend it. > >Thank You, > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list Good luck, -- Thomas J. Hudak Systems Administrator Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com Phone: 612.379.3951 Page: 612.318.1967 Fax: 612.379.3952 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010212/4b0a32d8/attachment.pgp From sraun at fireopal.org Mon Feb 12 17:52:40 2001 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HP OpenMail? Message-ID: <20010212175240.A22308@iaxs.net> Anyone have any experience with HP OpenMail? It reads like it could be a drop-in replacement for MS Exchange. -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From sgrobe at mn.rr.com Mon Feb 12 11:54:59 2001 From: sgrobe at mn.rr.com (Steve Grobe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Here you have, ;o) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <982000499_PM_BeOS.sgrobe@mn.rr.com> Or you can apply the MS OutLook Security update which disables some of the "features" that allow this type of crap to happen. http://www.microsoft.com/Office/ORK/2000/Journ/OutSDep.htm We installed it on all of our client machines a few months ago and it does a pretty good job of stopping this kind of thing, the user can not even get to the attachment. Quite a few people received the virus today but were not able to open the attachment. Stuff like calenders still work but any executable file is blocked from the user, the sys admin is the only one not running the update, that way if there is a file we have to be able to retrieve we can. It works as well as anything from MS can. :-P Most users don't even notice that it is running, although some of them do miss "Elf Bowling". God help me if the sys admin is ever dumb enough to open a virus. Or maybe god will need to help him. SG, O.S.D. P.S. I am not too thrilled about running Exchange either but it was that way when I moved to IS from engineering. Yes I am posting while booted into BeOS, everyone has a weak spot. I tried it two years ago and haven't been able to stop. I am trying to learn everything, and failing. >where? I've looked several times and even tired the (non)"help" but any >"msoffice" type document opens w/o asking...though I get prompted from any >non-office document... > >I switched to lookout because my client uses all those "features" (calendar, >etc), incidentally, they are the ones who got the virus first. grrr. I think >I might just go back to netscape (hey I have to use windows or a mac here, >kids). At least embarassing things like this don't happen with netscape. > >~j > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org >> [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Ben Lutgens >> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 1:14 PM >> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Here you have, ;o) >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 12:53:37PM -0600, Jacqueline Urick wrote: >> >sorry guys..a client just sent this to me and it automagically >> >mailed...don't open it! >> >> X-Mailer-Microsoft-Lookout >> >> Jackie, disable the vbs extensions in the crummy mailer will you? :-) >> >> > >> > >> > >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org >> >> [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Joseph Heil >> >> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 12:44 PM >> >> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> >> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Here you have, ;o) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Does this look like a virus or what..... >> >> >> >> Quoting Jacqueline Urick (jacque@fruitioninc.com): >> >> > Hi: >> >> > Check This! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Joseph A. Heil, Jr. Oracle DBA >> >> heilja@dbsource.com http://www.dbsource.com >> >> voice: 952-445-8066 fax: 952-445-5196 >> >> Key fingerprint = 95 FC 3A F4 8A 10 05 85 3F 53 01 86 AD DB DB 51 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tclug-list mailing list >> >> tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> >> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >tclug-list mailing list >> >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> -- >> Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 >> Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 >> System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ >> >> Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details >> > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > ----------------------------------- This message was sent with the demo version of Postmaster, a BeOS mail client. For more information, please visit http://kennyc.com/postmaster From ben at nerp.net Mon Feb 12 18:00:05 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] openoffice In-Reply-To: <20010212174659.C13584@cesium.sistina.com> Message-ID: actualy, from what I can find.. it's the Xfree people who had this stupid printing idea.. what it does is allow code used to render X output, to also render print output.. so they can re-use rendering code.. which is usefull, and not usefull. they want a better solution, this was just what they were able to come up with for a short-term solution to a long-term .PS output problem.. *shrug* probably never had a postscript person on-staff before.. now at sun, the office guys can get it right.. if we prod them enough. :) Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Tom Hudak wrote: > On Sun, Feb 11, 2001 at 03:51:54PM -0600, Ben Kochie wrote: > >hey.. I'm playing with openoffice 614, and for the life of me, printing is > >screwed up.. I found the docs on Xprt, for staroffice, but I'm not finding > >anything usefull with redhat7 > You have stumbled upon quite possibly the STUPIDEST thing I've ever heard of.. > These guys doing openoffice, believe that in order to support printing, they > must take it upon themselves to standardize printing across all unices!! So, > rather than write in some code to convert to PS and use lpr to print (like > most unices.) they would rather not have you print at all until they have a > final solution. If you ask me, it's about the dumbest thing I've ever heard > of, but then again they are almost all former sun employee's, so they may not > be used to they ways of "users" who like "features" like the ability to > PRINT! Just my $.02. If you can convert your stuff to PS and print that way, I > would recommend it. > > > >Thank You, > > Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) > > > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > > >_______________________________________________ > >tclug-list mailing list > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > Good luck, > > -- > Thomas J. Hudak > Systems Administrator > Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com > Phone: 612.379.3951 Page: 612.318.1967 > Fax: 612.379.3952 > From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Feb 12 18:01:54 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Here you have, ;o) In-Reply-To: ; from jsowers@osii.com on Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 05:06:22PM -0600 References: <20010212162735.A55301@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010212180154.A56396@minime.sistina.com> On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 05:06:22PM -0600, Jason Sowers wrote: >Yes, it is a great job, and I am not the Internal IS guy. That is taken >care of by another individual. I am just the Cisco geek. Anyway, you have >to see thing from a business standpoint, outlook has some great features >that, unfortunately, pine cannot offer. Yeah like tying up resources for a whole day fighting viruses and such. No thanks. > >____________________________________ >Jason Sowers >Network Engineer >Open Systems International >3600 Holly Lane North Suite 40 >Minneapolis, MN 55447-1286 >Phone: (763) 551-0559 >Fax: (763) 551-1750 >Email: jsowers@osii.com >http: www.osii.com & www.e-scada.com > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org >[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Ben Lutgens >Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 4:28 PM >To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Here you have, ;o) > > >On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 04:17:30PM -0600, Jason Sowers wrote: >>It truly is a disturbing decision to be forced to make. Use PINE, which is >>very stable, fast, and virtually affected by no viruses, or Outlook, which >>is great for the medium to large business (with all it's features) yet is a >>script-kiddies dream. I use outlook here, not by my own decision. >>Corporate you understand. :-) >Sure hope it's a great job cause with stupid corporate policies like >that.... >-- >Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 >Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 >System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ > >Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for details > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens cell: 612.670.4789 telnet bofh.jive.org 666 Sistina Software Inc. work: 612.379.5941 System Administrator http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina is hiring, see http:/www.sistina.com/Pages/jobs.html for d