Hehehe, the company I work for uses exchange, and somebody decided it was a good idea to create a global mailing list for all the directors and above, and global departmental lists for every department (which include the directors those departments report to). These are still in place even after all of the recent e-mail VBS virii. You can image how long it takes for something like this to spread in such an environment, and how long it takes to stamp out... Maybe I shouldn't be assumed by this, but after the last three projects I wanted to do with a small linux/bsd box were stopped by operations who said they would implement it for my department in Clarify or Exchange or whatever because linux and/or xBSD were insecure (and have yet to do any of them)... Well, it's enough to make someone look for a new job. Jeff