From chrome at real-time.com  Mon Jan  1 02:05:19 2001
From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:18 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [SCALUG] [OT] NCR 3400 SVR4 box.
In-Reply-To: <B80328047496CE4995A308C48728939801858E9A@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Sun, Dec 31, 2000 at 07:59:46PM -0600
References: <B80328047496CE4995A308C48728939801858E9A@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <20010101020519.A31679@real-time.com>

On Sun, Dec 31, 2000 at 07:59:46PM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote:
> > the shell for that account seems to have been set to /bin/false.
> 
> So just FTP in and grab /etc/passwd.  I don't think it uses shadow
> passwords.  

via what? this thing isn't connected to a network, and I have no idea what
its IP may be, and I'm guessing it isn't running an FTP daemon anyway. :)

Carl Soderstrom
-- 
Network Engineer
Real-Time Enterprises
(952) 943-8700

From dieman at ringworld.org  Mon Jan  1 02:41:28 2001
From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:20 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Intrustion Detection?
In-Reply-To: <B80328047496CE4995A308C48728939801858E9B@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Sun, Dec 31, 2000 at 08:04:59PM -0600
References: <B80328047496CE4995A308C48728939801858E9B@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <20010101024127.C10538@ringworld.org>

Really, the only tools in the OSS sector that ive seen are snort (yeah!)
and the newer ntop that does stats on *everything*.  The web-based ntop
stuff is pretty damned amazing.  Nice to get a picture of what traffic
is going on.

Otherwise, theres allways RealSecure and NFR. :P  But those cost too
much.  I think a well configured snort machine, with somehting like
cflowd/flowscan (woot! I found a open relay on a network with that combo
last week after it flooded a t1 with SMTP traffic) or ntop to determine
traffic after the fact.

* Austad, Jay <austad@marketwatch.com> [001231 20:10]:
> Isn't portsentry primarily designed just to react to portscans only?  I
> don't think it will detect modified files or send alerts about attempted
> exploits.
> 
> Portsentry is a good tool though.  It'll generate ipchains rules to block
> the ip of a host which is scanning you.  I have a friend who runs it at the
> dorms at the U of MN.  He gets scanned ALOT.  Someone broke into his box
> last year and was saturating a DS3 with his box doing a DoS against some
> other site.   
> 
> Jay
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: grey Moon-Wolf [mailto:mtsqph@yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 5:43 PM
> > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com
> > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Linux Intrustion Detection?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- Bob Tanner <tanner@real-time.com> wrote:
> > > Anyone have a recommendation on intrustion detection
> > > software for linux?
> > 
> > Portsentry... check out Nov/Dec 2000 issue of Maximum
> > Linux, might be a bunch of meatballs but they have
> > provided some pretty decent software... The issue
> > deals with security matters... found it a good read.
> > And the free CD had some interesting downloads.
> > Manuel.
> > 
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online!
> > http://photos.yahoo.com/
> > _______________________________________________
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> > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com
> > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > 
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http://www.ringworld.org/  finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org

"Kupo, kupkup, kupopo...  Po... Kupo!?  KUPOPO!!!
	<Chomp chomp> Kupooo."
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From andyzib at ringworld.org  Mon Jan  1 02:53:55 2001
From: andyzib at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby))
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:20 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] mgetty-sendfax/viewfax
References: <4.3.2.7.0.20001231211458.00b66150@pop.mn.mediaone.net>
Message-ID: <3A5045A3.7A2B393@ringworld.org>

I haven't tried mgetty-sendfax myself, but I have set up HylaFax and found
it to be quite useable. There is even a windows based client for sending
faxes. 

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From austad at marketwatch.com  Mon Jan  1 04:21:05 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:20 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Intrustion Detection?
Message-ID: <B80328047496CE4995A308C48728939801858E9C@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

ntop is sweet, but it has had many security holes recently.  I'm kinda
afraid to run it.  :(



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Dier [mailto:dieman@ringworld.org]
> Sent: Monday, January 01, 2001 2:41 AM
> To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Linux Intrustion Detection?
> 
> 
> Really, the only tools in the OSS sector that ive seen are 
> snort (yeah!)
> and the newer ntop that does stats on *everything*.  The 
> web-based ntop
> stuff is pretty damned amazing.  Nice to get a picture of what traffic
> is going on.
> 
> Otherwise, theres allways RealSecure and NFR. :P  But those cost too
> much.  I think a well configured snort machine, with somehting like
> cflowd/flowscan (woot! I found a open relay on a network with 
> that combo
> last week after it flooded a t1 with SMTP traffic) or ntop to 
> determine
> traffic after the fact.
> 
> * Austad, Jay <austad@marketwatch.com> [001231 20:10]:
> > Isn't portsentry primarily designed just to react to 
> portscans only?  I
> > don't think it will detect modified files or send alerts 
> about attempted
> > exploits.
> > 
> > Portsentry is a good tool though.  It'll generate ipchains 
> rules to block
> > the ip of a host which is scanning you.  I have a friend 
> who runs it at the
> > dorms at the U of MN.  He gets scanned ALOT.  Someone broke 
> into his box
> > last year and was saturating a DS3 with his box doing a DoS 
> against some
> > other site.   
> > 
> > Jay
> > 
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: grey Moon-Wolf [mailto:mtsqph@yahoo.com]
> > > Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 5:43 PM
> > > To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com
> > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Linux Intrustion Detection?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- Bob Tanner <tanner@real-time.com> wrote:
> > > > Anyone have a recommendation on intrustion detection
> > > > software for linux?
> > > 
> > > Portsentry... check out Nov/Dec 2000 issue of Maximum
> > > Linux, might be a bunch of meatballs but they have
> > > provided some pretty decent software... The issue
> > > deals with security matters... found it a good read.
> > > And the free CD had some interesting downloads.
> > > Manuel.
> > > 
> > > __________________________________________________
> > > Do You Yahoo!?
> > > Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online!
> > > http://photos.yahoo.com/
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > tclug-list mailing list
> > > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com
> > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > tclug-list mailing list
> > tclug-list@lists.real-time.com
> > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
> -- 
> Scott Dier <dieman@ringworld.org> #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net
> http://www.ringworld.org/  finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org
> 
> "Kupo, kupkup, kupopo...  Po... Kupo!?  KUPOPO!!!
> 	<Chomp chomp> Kupooo."
> 		-Moguta (FFIX)
> 

From austad at marketwatch.com  Mon Jan  1 04:26:44 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:20 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [SCALUG] [OT] NCR 3400 SVR4 box.
Message-ID: <B80328047496CE4995A308C48728939801858E9D@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

Couldn't you set up a sniffer on a hub connected to the SVR4 box and get the
IP with that?  I'm sure it will send out something which will reveal the IP.
Of course, if it's not running an FTP daemon, it won't do much good.  

Don't quote me on any of this though, I just had a large party, and everyone
brought lots of large bottles of tasty libations.  I may not be in the right
frame of mind to talk about computer stuff.  :)

Happy new year!  Now I have the munchies.  Must get food.  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom [mailto:chrome@real-time.com]
> Sent: Monday, January 01, 2001 2:05 AM
> To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com
> Cc: linux@scalug.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Re: [SCALUG] [OT] NCR 3400 SVR4 box.
> 
> 
> On Sun, Dec 31, 2000 at 07:59:46PM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote:
> > > the shell for that account seems to have been set to /bin/false.
> > 
> > So just FTP in and grab /etc/passwd.  I don't think it uses shadow
> > passwords.  
> 
> via what? this thing isn't connected to a network, and I have 
> no idea what
> its IP may be, and I'm guessing it isn't running an FTP 
> daemon anyway. :)
> 
> Carl Soderstrom
> -- 
> Network Engineer
> Real-Time Enterprises
> (952) 943-8700
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@lists.real-time.com
> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

From lerwick at tcfreenet.org  Mon Jan  1 07:25:22 2001
From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:20 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] CD ripper/ MP3 encoder
References: <B80328047496CE4995A308C48728939801858E70@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <3A508542.B3651D85@tcfreenet.org>

> The latest version of LAME will encode in Ogg format.  I don't know if it's
> much faster or better though.

Its just a front end to the ogg libs. Same encoder core...

From lerwick at tcfreenet.org  Mon Jan  1 07:42:05 2001
From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:20 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] CD ripper/ MP3 encoder
References: <B80328047496CE4995A308C48728939801858E68@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <3A50892D.3BF3652F@tcfreenet.org>

> Everything I've been doing lately is Ogg, however, the oggenc encoder is
> pretty slow.  A 4 minute song takes about 4 mins to encode on a PII 450.  Of
> course, the last time I used LAME, it was about equally as slow.

And you think thats slow? mp3enc takes a good day or so to encode an
entire CD on a celeron 333. I use LAME for 128kbps icecasting and it
takes a good 0.5-1.0% CPU time...

LAME rocks lately. Grab the latest beta.

Too bad libc5 seems to be horribly broken with RH7's glibc update. I
managed to get it working by using the libc5 rpm from RH6.2, after
symlinking /lib/ld-linux.so.1 to so.2, but the updated glibc that stops
xmms from crashing seems to have broken libc5...

Which means I can't use mp3enc anymore. BLARGH! Suppose I could try
grabbing the win32 version and let wine work its voodoo magic...

From lerwick at tcfreenet.org  Mon Jan  1 07:43:57 2001
From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:20 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] CD ripper/ MP3 encoder
References: <20001222213650.K27815@real-time.com> <00122911323100.01125@dedannshae.ssbs.com> <3A4CCA9E.6000107@talkware.net>
Message-ID: <3A50899D.31620D27@tcfreenet.org>

> issue.  My co-workers swear by xing, but it's commercial.  I've used
> bladeenc, and it seems serviceable for my meager needs (128Kbps was as

<obbladesucksass>Blade sucks ass. Do Not Use It. Use LAME instead. It is
far superior in every possible way.</obbladesucksass>

From chrome at real-time.com  Mon Jan  1 10:46:20 2001
From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:20 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Intrustion Detection?
In-Reply-To: <B80328047496CE4995A308C48728939801858E9C@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Mon, Jan 01, 2001 at 04:21:05AM -0600
References: <B80328047496CE4995A308C48728939801858E9C@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <20010101104620.A13131@real-time.com>

> ntop is sweet, but it has had many security holes recently.  I'm kinda
> afraid to run it.  :(

I ran it chrooted because it seemed like a potentially problematic app.
after hearing of the remote holes in it, I'm glad I did. :)

the web stats interface *is* very cool tho.

Carl Soderstrom
-- 
Network Engineer
Real-Time Enterprises
(952) 943-8700

From chrome at real-time.com  Mon Jan  1 11:02:49 2001
From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:21 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [SCALUG] [OT] NCR 3400 SVR4 box.
In-Reply-To: <B80328047496CE4995A308C48728939801858E9D@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Mon, Jan 01, 2001 at 04:26:44AM -0600
References: <B80328047496CE4995A308C48728939801858E9D@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <20010101110249.B13131@real-time.com>

> Couldn't you set up a sniffer on a hub connected to the SVR4 box and get the
> IP with that?  I'm sure it will send out something which will reveal the IP.
> Of course, if it's not running an FTP daemon, it won't do much good.  

1. it's 10base-2 ethernet (I probably said 10b-T by mistake in my original
post)
1a. I don't have a 10b-2 cable. :)
2. even if it had an ftp daemon running, the only account I have is 'sys',
which should be listed in /etc/ftpusers, denying it access. (probably. I
don't know much about security on these old boxes, which is why I'm trying
to crack it).

> Don't quote me on any of this though, I just had a large party, and everyone
> brought lots of large bottles of tasty libations.  I may not be in the right
> frame of mind to talk about computer stuff.  :)
	sounds like a blast. :)

> Happy new year!  Now I have the munchies.  Must get food.  
	Happy New Millenium! :)

Carl Soderstrom
-- 
Network Engineer
Real-Time Enterprises
(952) 943-8700

From austad at marketwatch.com  Mon Jan  1 15:32:45 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:21 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] more wireless internet fun
Message-ID: <B80328047496CE4995A308C48728939801858EA1@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

http://www.consume.net/consume.html

I'm still interested in playing around with something like this.  I don't
know if the consume.net project is really what I was thinking, but it would
still be interesting.  

I wish I could get a BGP session from my ISP.  :)  If everyone could at
least get a listen-only BGP session from their ISP, each wireless node could
redistribute those routes to each other.  All of the users on the wireless
network would have the benefit of multiple internet connections, and traffic
exits the wireless network onto the internet using the internet connection
logically closest to the site you are trying to hit (like www.sony.com).  If
any of the internet connections to the wireless network went down, users
would notice minimal disruption, if any.  802.11 with directional antennas
would probably be the way to go, unless I could get ahold of some of those
old laser ethernet tranceivers cheaply.  I got a 23rd story view of a good
part of St. Paul and a balcony to mount an antenna on.  I just need someone
who is line of sight from me.  

There's also an article on slashdot today about creating wireless networks.
Might wanna take a look at, it's interesting.

Jay 

From dieman at ringworld.org  Mon Jan  1 18:21:06 2001
From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:21 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] more wireless internet fun
In-Reply-To: <B80328047496CE4995A308C48728939801858EA1@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Mon, Jan 01, 2001 at 03:32:45PM -0600
References: <B80328047496CE4995A308C48728939801858EA1@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <20010101182106.I10538@ringworld.org>

* Austad, Jay <austad@marketwatch.com> [010101 15:38]:
> I wish I could get a BGP session from my ISP.  :)  If everyone could at

BGP isn't really the right way to do it.  It handles failover well, but
its really designed for links that are usually up.  BGP flaps aren't
exactly elegant things.

But, there is some guy I was talking to a few months ago that said his
company was working on this kind of stuff for the govt.

-- 
Scott Dier <dieman@ringworld.org> #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net
http://www.ringworld.org/  finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org

"Kupo, kupkup, kupopo...  Po... Kupo!?  KUPOPO!!!
	<Chomp chomp> Kupooo."
		-Moguta (FFIX)
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From austad at marketwatch.com  Tue Jan  2 00:57:07 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:21 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] more wireless internet fun
Message-ID: <B80328047496CE4995A308C48728939801858EA4@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

> its really designed for links that are usually up.  BGP flaps aren't
> exactly elegant things.

DSL links are usually up (at least mine is, and it gets monitored 24/7).
Won't it only get marked as flapping if it's going up and down every couple
of minutes?  You obviously wouldn't want to peer with any links like a
dialup or isdn, good luck getting a bgp session over a dialup or isdn
anyway.  :)

It might be worthwhile to build a backbone network using BGP, and something
else for links branching off of that.  I really want to experiment with
wireless though, either 802.11 or laser if I can find some.  

Jay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Dier [mailto:dieman@ringworld.org]
> Sent: Monday, January 01, 2001 6:21 PM
> To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] more wireless internet fun
> 
> 
> * Austad, Jay <austad@marketwatch.com> [010101 15:38]:
> > I wish I could get a BGP session from my ISP.  :)  If 
> everyone could at
> 
> BGP isn't really the right way to do it.  It handles failover 
> well, but
> its really designed for links that are usually up.  BGP flaps aren't
> exactly elegant things.
> 
> But, there is some guy I was talking to a few months ago that said his
> company was working on this kind of stuff for the govt.
> 
> -- 
> Scott Dier <dieman@ringworld.org> #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net
> http://www.ringworld.org/  finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org
> 
> "Kupo, kupkup, kupopo...  Po... Kupo!?  KUPOPO!!!
> 	<Chomp chomp> Kupooo."
> 		-Moguta (FFIX)
> 

From declerck at sistina.com  Mon Jan  1 18:51:27 2001
From: declerck at sistina.com (Michael J. Declerck)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:21 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [gfs-users] GFS 4.0 Beta 4 released
Message-ID: <20010102005127.76955E0B3@wraith>

All,

GFS 4.0 Beta 4 has been released and is available via the Sistina web site

-> http://www.sistina.com/gfs/software/

Updates in this release include:

 o Updated to run on 2.2.18

 o Update to the kernel patches

 o Initial work has begun on porting to 2.4.  It is not ready yet, but it
   should be shortly after 2.4 is officially released.

 o Initial support for exporting GFS filesystems via kernel-space NFS.  This
   capability has just been added and has not received extension testing yet.
   Use it with extreme care!  You have been warned!

 o Support for banning a client from a GNBD server has been added, as well as,
   a new STOMITH method that utilizes this functionality.

 o Enhancements have been made to both `gclient' and `gserv' to provide better
   user feedback.

 o New tools for DMEP operations.  `dmep_conf' is for enabling/configuring
   DMEP capable devices.  `do_dmep' is for testing the actual capabilities
   and conformance of a DMEP device.

 o Further enhancements to the `memexpd' high availability failover setup.
   This includes a new tool, `initds', that is used for initializing the
   data segment utilized to maintain lock state info.

This should hopefully be the final beta release!  Go get it!  Use it and let
us know if you experience any problems via:

-> Bugs     ==> http://bugzilla.sistina.com

or

-> Feedback ==> http://www.sistina.com/gfs/Pages/gfs_eval.html



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From dieman at ringworld.org  Tue Jan  2 09:01:38 2001
From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:21 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] more wireless internet fun
In-Reply-To: <B80328047496CE4995A308C48728939801858EA4@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 12:57:07AM -0600
References: <B80328047496CE4995A308C48728939801858EA4@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <20010102090138.B4742@ringworld.org>

* Austad, Jay <austad@marketwatch.com> [010102 01:02]:
> > its really designed for links that are usually up.  BGP flaps aren't
> > exactly elegant things.
> DSL links are usually up (at least mine is, and it gets monitored 24/7).
> Won't it only get marked as flapping if it's going up and down every couple

Oh, your not talking about cool things like wireless fabric type things,
where your wireless peers are willing to route for you if your not close
enough to a 'base' and they are. :)

-- 
Scott Dier <dieman@ringworld.org> #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net
http://www.ringworld.org/  finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org

"Kupo, kupkup, kupopo...  Po... Kupo!?  KUPOPO!!!
	<Chomp chomp> Kupooo."
		-Moguta (FFIX)
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From austad at marketwatch.com  Tue Jan  2 09:07:05 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:21 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] more wireless internet fun
Message-ID: <B80328047496CE4995A308C48728939801858EA6@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

> where your wireless peers are willing to route for you if 
> your not close
> enough to a 'base' and they are. :)

Sure I am.  Except, the more I think about it, the more I think it's not
going to work like I want without giving everyone on the wireless network
private addresses and doing NAT at each internet connection, or getting an
AS number and handing routes back to the ISP's (which surely won't happen
over DSL links).  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Dier [mailto:dieman@ringworld.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 9:02 AM
> To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] more wireless internet fun
> 
> 
> * Austad, Jay <austad@marketwatch.com> [010102 01:02]:
> > > its really designed for links that are usually up.  BGP 
> flaps aren't
> > > exactly elegant things.
> > DSL links are usually up (at least mine is, and it gets 
> monitored 24/7).
> > Won't it only get marked as flapping if it's going up and 
> down every couple
> 
> Oh, your not talking about cool things like wireless fabric 
> type things,
> where your wireless peers are willing to route for you if 
> your not close
> enough to a 'base' and they are. :)
> 
> -- 
> Scott Dier <dieman@ringworld.org> #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net
> http://www.ringworld.org/  finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org
> 
> "Kupo, kupkup, kupopo...  Po... Kupo!?  KUPOPO!!!
> 	<Chomp chomp> Kupooo."
> 		-Moguta (FFIX)
> 

From natecars at real-time.com  Tue Jan  2 09:37:13 2001
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:21 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Intrustion Detection?
In-Reply-To: <20001231135754.E25927@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0101020936140.31385-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Sun, 31 Dec 2000, Bob Tanner wrote:
> Anyone have a recommendation on intrustion detection software for linux?

Snort.

-- 
Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500




From natecars at real-time.com  Tue Jan  2 09:37:13 2001
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:21 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Intrustion Detection?
In-Reply-To: <20001231135754.E25927@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0101020936140.31385-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Sun, 31 Dec 2000, Bob Tanner wrote:
> Anyone have a recommendation on intrustion detection software for linux?

Snort.

-- 
Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500




From natecars at real-time.com  Tue Jan  2 09:37:56 2001
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:21 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Intrustion Detection?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0012311429470.29830-100000@chef>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0101020937390.31385-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Sun, 31 Dec 2000, Ben Kochie wrote:
> RJ11 behind me says "tripwire" I was about to suggest looking at LIDS tho.

Good point.. tripwire & lids for local, snort for NIDS..

-- 
Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500



From natecars at real-time.com  Tue Jan  2 09:37:56 2001
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:21 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Intrustion Detection?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0012311429470.29830-100000@chef>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0101020937390.31385-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Sun, 31 Dec 2000, Ben Kochie wrote:
> RJ11 behind me says "tripwire" I was about to suggest looking at LIDS tho.

Good point.. tripwire & lids for local, snort for NIDS..

-- 
Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500



From natecars at real-time.com  Tue Jan  2 10:44:59 2001
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:21 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Fiber transceivers locally?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0101021037140.31385-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

I may need a couple multi-mode ST fiber transceivers today; anyone know
where I can pick them up locally? I usually buy CDW, but the client isn't
going to want to wait until tommorrow if we can't get their transceivers
working.

-- 
Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500



From destef at destef.com  Tue Jan  2 10:59:19 2001
From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:21 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Fiber transceivers locally?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0101021037140.31385-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0101020858000.29278-100000@theo.egoode.com>

We buy our transceivers from a local company in the area called
Transition Networks. Dont have their number but if you can call
them they might be able to tell you where you could buy them.

Jason


On Tue, 2 Jan 2001, Nate Carlson wrote:

> I may need a couple multi-mode ST fiber transceivers today; anyone know
> where I can pick them up locally? I usually buy CDW, but the client isn't
> going to want to wait until tommorrow if we can't get their transceivers
> working.
> 
> 


From blutgens at sistina.com  Tue Jan  2 11:02:52 2001
From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:22 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Intrustion Detection?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0101020936140.31385-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>; from natecars@real-time.com on Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 09:37:13AM -0600
References: <20001231135754.E25927@real-time.com> <Pine.LNX.4.30.0101020936140.31385-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010102110252.A1623@minime.sistina.com>

On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 09:37:13AM -0600, Nate Carlson wrote:
>On Sun, 31 Dec 2000, Bob Tanner wrote:
>> Anyone have a recommendation on intrustion detection software for linux?
>
>Snort.
LIDS
-- 
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Sistina Software Inc.	work: 612.379.5941
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From BTimm at Interelate.com  Tue Jan  2 14:27:36 2001
From: BTimm at Interelate.com (Brad Timm)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:22 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Meeting This Saturday?
Message-ID: <394E263D7458ED4F91DA2A3066B8C18DB0A70E@MSP-MAIL01.IR>

Not meaning to suggest that the folks who are working on the MN-Linux Web
page, but 
is there a Meeting this Saturday and what is the topic of the day?

Just wondering?

Brad Timm
(Admin Wannabee)

From andyzb at ltiflex.com  Tue Jan  2 15:43:59 2001
From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:22 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Meeting This Saturday?
References: <394E263D7458ED4F91DA2A3066B8C18DB0A70E@MSP-MAIL01.IR>
Message-ID: <3A524B9F.C5AD5632@ltiflex.com>

Brad Timm wrote:
> 
> Not meaning to suggest that the folks who are working on the MN-Linux Web
> page, but
> is there a Meeting this Saturday and what is the topic of the day?

I'd suggest topics but ummm, that's lanparty day. :)

Well, I do have a few suggestions:
Topics to cover at Q1 2001 meetings. Or at least discuss it on the list.
Perhaps we should pick up some of the more important ones from years past.
Few thoughts:

3D acceleration. (Status, setup, demos, etc.)
gpg/pgp (with a keysigning after we get everyone paranoid.)
Filesystem review, migration, etc. (after 2.4 is final perhaps)
General end users stuff like good system pratices. (compiling kernels and
other sources...) 
Installation preperation (something to cover before/durring a install fest) 

I dunno, I'm just typing what comes to mind now. C'mon, I'm sure someone
wants to discuss something. :)

--
Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin   | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com
LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH)  763-428-9119 (EX) 132
21801 Industrial Blvd       | (FX)  763-428-9126
Rogers, MN  55374           | (PCS) 612-306-6055
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From yuri-g at earthling.net  Tue Jan  2 15:55:40 2001
From: yuri-g at earthling.net (Jacqueline Urick)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:22 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting Update
Message-ID: <3A524E5C.CD9B5FAF@earthling.net>

Hi All -

Due to holidays, hangovers and an addiction to Zeus, I didn't get a
change to put together the beer meeting for this thursday (the 4th), so
plan on Beer Meetings to resume the 11th.


Thanks,

Jacque

From ben at nerp.net  Tue Jan  2 16:11:51 2001
From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:22 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting Update
In-Reply-To: <3A524E5C.CD9B5FAF@earthling.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0101021611250.14475-100000@chef>

> change to put together the beer meeting for this thursday (the 4th), so
  ^^^^^^
	must be a really bad hangover

> plan on Beer Meetings to resume the 11th.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jacque
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@lists.real-time.com
> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


From mike at fruitioninc.com  Tue Jan  2 16:38:50 2001
From: mike at fruitioninc.com (Michael Bresnahan)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:22 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting Update
References: <3A524E5C.CD9B5FAF@earthling.net>
Message-ID: <3A52587A.85A1B3@fruitioninc.com>

Boo!

Jacqueline Urick wrote:

> Hi All -
>
> Due to holidays, hangovers and an addiction to Zeus, I didn't get a
> change to put together the beer meeting for this thursday (the 4th), so
> plan on Beer Meetings to resume the 11th.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jacque
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@lists.real-time.com
> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From tanner at real-time.com  Tue Jan  2 22:49:39 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:22 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] 2 installs, one needs -ldl other does not
Message-ID: <20010102224939.B15958@real-time.com>

I am wondering what is going on here.

I have 2 machines, same install (base redhat 6.2).

On 1 box, when I compile/link against openssl via configure, I get libcrypto
needs to have libdl.

libcrypto.so: undefined reference to 'dlclose'

But on another box, same install, I can compile/link against openssl with
libcrypto and have not problems.

Any ideas?



-- 
Bob Tanner <tanner@real-time.com>       | Phone : (952)943-8700
http://www.mn-linux.org                 | Fax   : (952)943-8500
Key fingerprint =  6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 


From blutgens at sistina.com  Tue Jan  2 23:16:45 2001
From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:22 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] 2 installs, one needs -ldl other does not
In-Reply-To: <20010102224939.B15958@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 10:49:39PM -0600
References: <20010102224939.B15958@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010102231644.A1446@minime.sistina.com>

On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 10:49:39PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote:
>I am wondering what is going on here.
>
>I have 2 machines, same install (base redhat 6.2).
>
>On 1 box, when I compile/link against openssl via configure, I get libcrypto
>needs to have libdl.

I'd check to make sure /etc/ld.so.conf didn't get hosed, and if not reinstall
ssl.

>
>libcrypto.so: undefined reference to 'dlclose'
>
>But on another box, same install, I can compile/link against openssl with
>libcrypto and have not problems.
>
>Any ideas?
>
>
>
>-- 
>Bob Tanner <tanner@real-time.com>       | Phone : (952)943-8700
>http://www.mn-linux.org                 | Fax   : (952)943-8500
>Key fingerprint =  6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 
>
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>tclug-list@lists.real-time.com
>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

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From lerwick at tcfreenet.org  Wed Jan  3 02:26:22 2001
From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:22 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Intrustion Detection?
References: <20001231135754.E25927@real-time.com> <Pine.LNX.4.30.0101020936140.31385-100000@enchanter.real-time.com> <20010102110252.A1623@minime.sistina.com>
Message-ID: <3A52E22E.F7D73FEF@tcfreenet.org>

> On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 09:37:13AM -0600, Nate Carlson wrote:
> >On Sun, 31 Dec 2000, Bob Tanner wrote:
> >> Anyone have a recommendation on intrustion detection software for linux?
> >
> >Snort.
> LIDS

LIDS is misleading. Its not Intrusion Detection so much as Intrusion
Prevention. Your best bet is both. And don't forget openwall.
LIDS+Openwall+Your IDS of choice = Much secure goodness.

http://www.rootit.com/community/lids/

From JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com  Wed Jan  3 07:09:17 2001
From: JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com (Miller, John)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:22 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Meeting This Saturday?
Message-ID: <C8E57CE8F221D411A24600A0C99D90FD02A50576@mail2.ROG.COM>

I like the idea of general user stuff.  I am still fairly new at this and
there is a lot I don't know.  Also, preparing for installing an os including
backup ideas and software.  I have RH7 on my system and in order to get it
to do what I wanted I just installed everything (not real efficient) so I
would like to reinstall it putting in only what I need.    

I am also interested in learning how to secure my computer.  I currently am
connected 24 7 but don't have any security on it, that I know of.  As a
result I think someone came in and deleted my mysql.sock, I can't find it
anymore.  I read most of the posts here and I have very little idea what you
folks are talking about.  

I would like to suggest a session on configuring X11.  Mine is working but
it took me about 3 days to get it right.  

The correct way of adding and removing software.  Using RPMs DEBs or getting
the source and compiling on your own. 

Those are my ideas.

New Topic:

My computer is suffering from an identity crisis.  It doesn't know who it
is.  One day I booted my machine and it said that it was n24-c168-170-35.  I
rebooted it a couple of weeks later and is said it was RedHat, a couple of
weeks after that I rebooted and it said that it was nic-c168-163-40.  The
first and last times are permutations of my ip address assigned by Mediaone.
The one in the middle I have no idea where it came from.  The trouble is I
have two other computers that have network drives like to it, so every time
the name changes, I have to fix the drive paths.  My hosts file in /etc
lists the computer as RedHat.  The RedHat box has two nics in it, one for
internet and other for lan.

Any ideas?

John Miller
Dain Rauscher Inc.
Application Services
IS Capital Markets
Phone 612-547-7573
Fax 612-547-7580


-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Zbikowski [mailto:andyzb@ltiflex.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 3:44 PM
To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Meeting This Saturday?


Brad Timm wrote:
> 
> Not meaning to suggest that the folks who are working on the MN-Linux Web
> page, but
> is there a Meeting this Saturday and what is the topic of the day?

I'd suggest topics but ummm, that's lanparty day. :)

Well, I do have a few suggestions:
Topics to cover at Q1 2001 meetings. Or at least discuss it on the list.
Perhaps we should pick up some of the more important ones from years past.
Few thoughts:

3D acceleration. (Status, setup, demos, etc.)
gpg/pgp (with a keysigning after we get everyone paranoid.)
Filesystem review, migration, etc. (after 2.4 is final perhaps)
General end users stuff like good system pratices. (compiling kernels and
other sources...) 
Installation preperation (something to cover before/durring a install fest) 

I dunno, I'm just typing what comes to mind now. C'mon, I'm sure someone
wants to discuss something. :)

--
Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin   | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com
LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH)  763-428-9119 (EX) 132
21801 Industrial Blvd       | (FX)  763-428-9126
Rogers, MN  55374           | (PCS) 612-306-6055

From blutgens at sistina.com  Wed Jan  3 08:12:22 2001
From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:22 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Meeting This Saturday?
In-Reply-To: <C8E57CE8F221D411A24600A0C99D90FD02A50576@mail2.ROG.COM>; from JMiller2@dainrauscher.com on Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 07:09:17AM -0600
References: <C8E57CE8F221D411A24600A0C99D90FD02A50576@mail2.ROG.COM>
Message-ID: <20010103081222.A5916@minime.sistina.com>

On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 07:09:17AM -0600, Miller, John wrote:
>I like the idea of general user stuff.  I am still fairly new at this and
>there is a lot I don't know.  Also, preparing for installing an os including
>backup ideas and software.  I have RH7 on my system and in order to get it
>to do what I wanted I just installed everything (not real efficient) so I
>would like to reinstall it putting in only what I need.    

It's not very easy to do a minimal install with the RH Installer IMHO, the GUI
takes away alot of your control. 

>I would like to suggest a session on configuring X11.  Mine is working but
>it took me about 3 days to get it right.  

Jeez, talk about beating a dead horse. You can walk through this in about 2
minutes barring any wierdness with your hardware (Like my vaio needing the
chipset line to neo200 as opposed to NM2160) and noone can possibly guess at
all those possibilities.

>
>The correct way of adding and removing software.  Using RPMs DEBs or getting
>the source and compiling on your own. 
There is no right way. But I think a discussion on the merits of each might be
nice. May us debian zealots will learn some cool things about RPM. I doubt it
but hey, who knows.

Call it package managment or some such.
-- 
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Sistina Software Inc.	work: 612.379.5941
Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator)
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From andy at theasis.com  Wed Jan  3 08:16:15 2001
From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:22 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Meeting This Saturday?
In-Reply-To: <3A524B9F.C5AD5632@ltiflex.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0101021556520.27245-100000@desmodus.theasis.com>

> Well, I do have a few suggestions:
> Topics to cover at Q1 2001 meetings. Or at least discuss it on the list.

IMO, List discussions are best followups to actual demos, since the demos
generate interest and show that things look great when they're done, and
perhaps can be achieved without too much hassle.

> Few thoughts:
> 
> 3D acceleration. (Status, setup, demos, etc.)
> gpg/pgp (with a keysigning after we get everyone paranoid.)
> Filesystem review, migration, etc. (after 2.4 is final perhaps)
> General end users stuff like good system pratices. (compiling kernels and
> other sources...) 
> Installation preperation (something to cover before/durring a install fest) 

Great topics; any of these seem worthwhile.

Also: 

 - Duplicating an installation -- e.g., if you want to keep several
   systems current with each other. 

 - Specific applications, esp. those that are hard to figure out by
  intuition, such as Blender.

 - Advanced routing tricks, such as setting up a firewall to deal with
   several networks (like a wireless and wired LAN), or multihomed
   connection (e.g., if your DSL or cable goes down, automatically use PPP
   dialup).

 - Show & tell for projects that you're developing with Linux.

Andy (the other one).

> --
> Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin   | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com
> LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH)  763-428-9119 (EX) 132
> 21801 Industrial Blvd       | (FX)  763-428-9126
> Rogers, MN  55374           | (PCS) 612-306-6055




From cfandre at maddog.mn-linux.org  Wed Jan  3 08:17:20 2001
From: cfandre at maddog.mn-linux.org (Clay Fandre)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:23 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG Announcements
References: <394E263D7458ED4F91DA2A3066B8C18DB0A70E@MSP-MAIL01.IR>
Message-ID: <3A533470.A14D5E99@maddog.mn-linux.org>

I have a few TCLUG announcements for the new year:

1. There will NOT be a TCLUG meeting this Saturday. I guess it's
lanparty day. I am working on getting one setup for the 13th.

2. Since I have had a few lifesyle changes recently (new job, new kid,
etc.) I have not had much time to organize and run the TCLUG. (And I
feel guilty about this) So I have decided to open up some of the
administrative responsibilities of the TCLUG to the group, like most
other user groups do, and elect formal leadership for the LUG. So I am
asking for volunteers for the following officer positions:

- Vice President
        Someone to take over if something should happen to me.
- Secretary/treasurer
        Handle TCLUG financial needs
- Webmaster
        Update and maintain TCLUG website. Must have html, perl, php,
and mysql
experience.
- Event Coordinator
        Handle everything associated with TCLUG monthly meetings and
installfests.
        (Schedule meeting space, choose topic, find speaker, etc.) Also
handle
public
        events such as the Stricktly Business Expo
- Editor/publisher
        Publish a monthly electronic newsletter
- Goodies Guy
        Bug vendors for freebies for meetings/installfests
- Any other position you can think of to help the TCLUG

Please let me know if you would like to do any of the following. If I
get enough interest I will probably set up a voting page since this is a
democracy.

Thanks.

Clay

From bastleford at platinumdg.com  Wed Jan  3 10:00:55 2001
From: bastleford at platinumdg.com (Brett Astleford)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:23 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] mysql problems
Message-ID: <011901c0759e$5b520b80$2d01a8c0@platinumpersonals.com>

OS: Mandrake 7.0
MySQL Build: 3.22.32
Also Running:
    php 4.0.3
    apache 1.3.x
    sendmail x.x

Had to change hostname in mysql, now mysqld & safe_mysqld starts and then
dies instataneously.  When I start mysqld, i get msg "Found old style
password for user '  ' restarting using old protocol" but still isn't
accessible via php page and/or GUI mysql client.
when I use safe_mysqld the daemon starts then dies without error message.
Any ideas???

TIA

Brett Astleford
Platinum Design Group
www.platinumdg.com



From cfandre at maddog.mn-linux.org  Wed Jan  3 08:15:14 2001
From: cfandre at maddog.mn-linux.org (Clay Fandre)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:23 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG Announcements
References: <394E263D7458ED4F91DA2A3066B8C18DB0A70E@MSP-MAIL01.IR>
Message-ID: <3A5333F2.D06B9C10@maddog.mn-linux.org>

I have a few TCLUG announcements for the new year:

1. There will NOT be a TCLUG meeting this Saturday. I guess it's
lanparty day. I am working on getting one setup for the 13th.

2. Since I have had a few lifesyle changes recently (new job, new kid,
etc.) I have not had much time to organize and run the TCLUG. (And I
feel guilty about this) So I have decided to open up some of the
administrative responsibilities of the TCLUG to the group, like most
other user groups do, and elect formal leadership for the LUG. So I am
asking for volunteers for the following officer positions:

- Vice President
        Someone to take over if something should happen to me.
- Secretary/treasurer
        Handle TCLUG financial needs
- Webmaster
        Update and maintain TCLUG website. Must have html, perl, php,
and mysql
experience.
- Event Coordinator
        Handle everything associated with TCLUG monthly meetings and
installfests.
        (Schedule meeting space, choose topic, find speaker, etc.) Also
handle
public
        events such as the Stricktly Business Expo
- Editor/publisher
        Publish a monthly electronic newsletter
- Goodies Guy
        Bug vendors for freebies for meetings/installfests
- Any other position you can think of to help the TCLUG

Please let me know if you would like to do any of the following. If I
get enough interest I will probably set up a voting page since this is a
democracy.

Thanks.

Clay
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https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce

From clay at fandre.com  Wed Jan  3 06:50:35 2001
From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:23 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG Announcements
References: <394E263D7458ED4F91DA2A3066B8C18DB0A70E@MSP-MAIL01.IR>
Message-ID: <3A53201B.6A2EA64C@fandre.com>

I have a few TCLUG announcements for the new year:

1. There will NOT be a TCLUG meeting this Saturday. I guess it's
lanparty day. I am working on getting one setup for the 13th.

2. Since I have had a few lifesyle changes recently (new job, new kid,
etc.) I have not had much time to organize and run the TCLUG. (And I
feel guilty about this) So I have decided to open up some of the
administrative responsibilities of the TCLUG to the group, like most
other user groups do, and elect formal leadership for the LUG. So I am
asking for volunteers for the following officer positions:

- Vice President
	Someone to take over if something should happen to me.
- Secretary/treasurer
	Handle TCLUG financial needs
- Webmaster
	Update and maintain TCLUG website. Must have html, perl, php, and mysql
experience.
- Event Coordinator
	Handle everything associated with TCLUG monthly meetings and
installfests.
	(Schedule meeting space, choose topic, find speaker, etc.) Also handle
public
	events such as the Stricktly Business Expo
- Editor/publisher
	Publish a monthly electronic newsletter
- Goodies Guy
	Bug vendors for freebies for meetings/installfests
- Any other position you can think of to help the TCLUG

Please let me know if you would like to do any of the following. If I
get enough interest I will probably set up a voting page since this is a
democracy.

Thanks.

Clay
_______________________________________________
tclug-announce mailing list
tclug-announce@lists.real-time.com
https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce

From tanner at real-time.com  Wed Jan  3 11:09:18 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:23 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] mysql problems
In-Reply-To: <011901c0759e$5b520b80$2d01a8c0@platinumpersonals.com>; from bastleford@platinumdg.com on Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 10:00:55AM -0600
References: <011901c0759e$5b520b80$2d01a8c0@platinumpersonals.com>
Message-ID: <20010103110918.E16151@real-time.com>

Quoting Brett Astleford (bastleford@platinumdg.com):
> OS: Mandrake 7.0
> MySQL Build: 3.22.32
> Also Running:
>     php 4.0.3
>     apache 1.3.x
>     sendmail x.x
> 
> Had to change hostname in mysql, now mysqld & safe_mysqld starts and then
> dies instataneously.  When I start mysqld, i get msg "Found old style
> password for user '  ' restarting using old protocol" but still isn't
> accessible via php page and/or GUI mysql client.
> when I use safe_mysqld the daemon starts then dies without error message.
> Any ideas???

Looks like the perms on your database are wrong. You probably had them setup for
SELECT, DROP, etc access via the old hostname.

Do a GRANT <perms> ON <database>.* TO <user>@<domain> 

And if you are using passwords, then

UPDATE user SET PAssword=PASSWORD('<password>') WHERE user='<user>'

I know there is a way to do this all in the GRANT, but I forget.


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From bexley at daily.umn.edu  Wed Jan  3 11:49:28 2001
From: bexley at daily.umn.edu (Benjamin Exley)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:23 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RE: RedHat Identity Crisis
In-Reply-To: <C8E57CE8F221D411A24600A0C99D90FD02A50576@mail2.ROG.COM>
Message-ID: <3A5311C8.1386.8FCE23B@localhost>

> New Topic:
> 
> My computer is suffering from an identity crisis.  It doesn't know who it
> is.  One day I booted my machine and it said that it was n24-c168-170-35.  I
> rebooted it a couple of weeks later and is said it was RedHat, a couple of
> weeks after that I rebooted and it said that it was nic-c168-163-40.  The
> first and last times are permutations of my ip address assigned by Mediaone.
> The one in the middle I have no idea where it came from.  The trouble is I
> have two other computers that have network drives like to it, so every time
> the name changes, I have to fix the drive paths.  My hosts file in /etc
> lists the computer as RedHat.  The RedHat box has two nics in it, one for
> internet and other for lan.

Let me guess... Are you using DHCP to obtain your computer's IP 
address? If so, then I'd bet that the computer is gleaning it's 
hostname from the host (first) part of the assigned IP address. This 
means that every time you get a new IP address, your hostname 
changes. The RedHat designator may just have happened when 
the ifup script failed to get the hostname from the IP address. 
Since linux doesn't like a null hostname, it just probably just 
assigned "RedHat" when it couldn't figure out what else to do.

As far as setting the hostname to be static... I suppose it could be 
done. You'd have to edit the DHCP startup scripts so that they 
didn't update the /etc/hostname file everytime you got a new IP 
though. However, I'm not sure that this would fix your drive mapping 
problems.

I don't know a heck of alot about DHCP on linux, so probably 
someone else could provide some more concrete information.


Ben E.
-----
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Online Webmaster
The Minnesota Daily
bexley@daily.umn.edu
(612) 627-4070 Ext. 3096

From Rodney.Ray at childrenshc.org  Wed Jan  3 12:31:47 2001
From: Rodney.Ray at childrenshc.org (Rodney Ray)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:23 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG Announcements
Message-ID: <sa531bbc.058@galaxy.childrenshc.org>

Now that I have finished school (for the most part) and have some spare-time I could help with some of the task. Sign me up for ------  Secretary/treasurer, Event Coordinator, Goodies Guy........ something.....


Rodney Ray
Children's Hospital and Clinics
Data Warehouse Developer
651-855-2560
rodney.ray@childrenshc.org

>>> cfandre@maddog.mn-linux.org 1/3/01 8:15:14 AM >>>
I have a few TCLUG announcements for the new year:

1. There will NOT be a TCLUG meeting this Saturday. I guess it's
lanparty day. I am working on getting one setup for the 13th.

2. Since I have had a few lifesyle changes recently (new job, new kid,
etc.) I have not had much time to organize and run the TCLUG. (And I
feel guilty about this) So I have decided to open up some of the
administrative responsibilities of the TCLUG to the group, like most
other user groups do, and elect formal leadership for the LUG. So I am
asking for volunteers for the following officer positions:

- Vice President
        Someone to take over if something should happen to me.
- Secretary/treasurer
        Handle TCLUG financial needs
- Webmaster
        Update and maintain TCLUG website. Must have html, perl, php,
and mysql
experience.
- Event Coordinator
        Handle everything associated with TCLUG monthly meetings and
installfests.
        (Schedule meeting space, choose topic, find speaker, etc.) Also
handle
public
        events such as the Stricktly Business Expo
- Editor/publisher
        Publish a monthly electronic newsletter
- Goodies Guy
        Bug vendors for freebies for meetings/installfests
- Any other position you can think of to help the TCLUG

Please let me know if you would like to do any of the following. If I
get enough interest I will probably set up a voting page since this is a
democracy.

Thanks.

Clay
_______________________________________________
tclug-announce mailing list
tclug-announce@lists.real-time.com 
https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce 
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From tanner at real-time.com  Wed Jan  3 13:24:12 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:23 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] mn-linux.org MX cut-over
Message-ID: <20010103132412.N10033@real-time.com>

Cutting over the mn-linux.org MX to the new mail server.

Please send email directly to me if there is a problem.

Thanks.

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From tanner at real-time.com  Wed Jan  3 13:44:42 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:23 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Testimonial to Linux (our old mail server)
Message-ID: <20010103134442.Q10033@real-time.com>

It's a bitter-sweet day today.

After almost 2 years of hard use, Real Time's little mailing list server is
going to be retired.

With the cut-over of the MX for mn-linux.org to the new server (sprite) the old
server (conjurer) is now idle.

But here is my testimonial to linux.

conjurer.real-time.com
Linux version 2.2.5-22
P75 WITH the F0 0F bug!
16MB of RAM(!)
814Mb IDE drive

In use for approximately 3 years.
Longest uptime 495 days(!)
Times is ran out of core memory and swap, 109 times.
Times it crashed zero (even when free space was all used)!

For a P75 with only 16MB of RAM this little box worked very hard. Besides
running the TCLUG mailing lists, it ran 15 other mailing lists. One list has
approximately 30,000 subscribers on it.

This is a testimonial to Linux stability, reliability AND durability. 

I love linux.
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http://www.mn-linux.org                 | Fax   : (952)943-8500
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From clay at fandre.com  Wed Jan  3 13:54:45 2001
From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:23 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Testimonial to Linux (our old mail server)
References: <20010103134442.Q10033@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <3A538385.D41CB3E@fandre.com>

Is it going to be on display somewhere? Is there going to be a ceremony?
Can we get a picture of it for the website?


Bob Tanner wrote:
> 
> It's a bitter-sweet day today.
> 
> After almost 2 years of hard use, Real Time's little mailing list server is
> going to be retired.
> 
> With the cut-over of the MX for mn-linux.org to the new server (sprite) the old
> server (conjurer) is now idle.
> 
> But here is my testimonial to linux.
> 
> conjurer.real-time.com
> Linux version 2.2.5-22
> P75 WITH the F0 0F bug!
> 16MB of RAM(!)
> 814Mb IDE drive
> 
> In use for approximately 3 years.
> Longest uptime 495 days(!)
> Times is ran out of core memory and swap, 109 times.
> Times it crashed zero (even when free space was all used)!
> 
> For a P75 with only 16MB of RAM this little box worked very hard. Besides
> running the TCLUG mailing lists, it ran 15 other mailing lists. One list has
> approximately 30,000 subscribers on it.
> 
> This is a testimonial to Linux stability, reliability AND durability.
> 
> I love linux.
> --

From jethro at freakzilla.com  Wed Jan  3 13:57:27 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:23 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Testimonial to Linux (our old mail server)
In-Reply-To: <20010103134442.Q10033@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0101031356570.1689-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>

  Hi,

On Wed, 3 Jan 2001, Bob Tanner wrote:

> After almost 2 years of hard use, Real Time's little mailing list server is
> going to be retired.

The real interesting questoin is, what's the NEW machine's specs? (:


-Yaron

--


From tanner at real-time.com  Wed Jan  3 14:02:37 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:23 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Testimonial to Linux (our old mail server)
In-Reply-To: <3A538385.D41CB3E@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 01:54:45PM -0600
References: <20010103134442.Q10033@real-time.com> <3A538385.D41CB3E@fandre.com>
Message-ID: <20010103140237.T10033@real-time.com>

Quoting Clay Fandre (clay@fandre.com):
> Is it going to be on display somewhere? Is there going to be a ceremony?
> Can we get a picture of it for the website?

Yeah, I'll take a picture of it.

I guess I can put that digital camera to use.
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From tanner at real-time.com  Wed Jan  3 14:08:50 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:23 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Testimonial to Linux (our old mail server)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0101031356570.1689-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 01:57:27PM -0600
References: <20010103134442.Q10033@real-time.com> <Pine.LNX.4.31.0101031356570.1689-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <20010103140850.U10033@real-time.com>

Quoting Yaron (jethro@freakzilla.com):
>   Hi,
> 
> On Wed, 3 Jan 2001, Bob Tanner wrote:
> 
> > After almost 2 years of hard use, Real Time's little mailing list server is
> > going to be retired.
> 
> The real interesting questoin is, what's the NEW machine's specs? (:

sprite.real-time.com
Pentium Pro-200Mhz
256Mb RAM
27Gb Disk
Longest uptime 221 days
Linux 2.2.14

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From austad at marketwatch.com  Wed Jan  3 15:01:30 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:23 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] cloneCD clone for Linux
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109165@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

Recently, many companies have been copy protecting their CDRom's by
inserting errors into the disc.  When you do a dd to make an ISO, you get a
bunch of errors and it fails.  Under windows, there is a program called
CloneCD which ignores these errors and makes the ISO anyway.  Is there
anyway I can do this with Linux?

The Sims is a good example of a disc I was trying to backup but couldn't
with Linux because of the evil copy protection.

Jay

From drew at usfamily.net  Wed Jan  3 18:09:49 2001
From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:23 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] cloneCD clone for Linux
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109165@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <005001c075e2$a8fd38c0$4d9a0ace@ancor.com>

Can you run The Sims in Linux?



----- Original Message -----
From: Austad, Jay <austad@marketwatch.com>
To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 1:01 PM
Subject: [TCLUG] cloneCD clone for Linux


> Recently, many companies have been copy protecting their CDRom's by
> inserting errors into the disc.  When you do a dd to make an ISO, you get
a
> bunch of errors and it fails.  Under windows, there is a program called
> CloneCD which ignores these errors and makes the ISO anyway.  Is there
> anyway I can do this with Linux?
>
> The Sims is a good example of a disc I was trying to backup but couldn't
> with Linux because of the evil copy protection.
>
> Jay
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
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From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu  Wed Jan  3 16:37:00 2001
From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:23 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Meeting This Saturday?
References: <394E263D7458ED4F91DA2A3066B8C18DB0A70E@MSP-MAIL01.IR> <3A524B9F.C5AD5632@ltiflex.com>
Message-ID: <3A53A98C.1F4D06A4@tc.umn.edu>

> 3D acceleration. (Status, setup, demos, etc.)
> gpg/pgp (with a keysigning after we get everyone paranoid.)
> Filesystem review, migration, etc. (after 2.4 is final perhaps)
> General end users stuff like good system pratices. (compiling kernels and
> other sources...)
> Installation preperation (something to cover before/durring a install fest)
> 
> I dunno, I'm just typing what comes to mind now. C'mon, I'm sure someone
> wants to discuss something. :)

I'd be happy to discuss how I got DVD playback working in Linux (not
that it's very hard anymore or anything), and maybe a little bit of what
I know about the behind-the-scenes stuff that goes on (hardware
acceleration, etc).  I'm not a developer for that stuff, but I know how
a lot of the pieces fit together..

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From austad at marketwatch.com  Wed Jan  3 17:25:34 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:23 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] cloneCD clone for Linux
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109168@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

> Can you run The Sims in Linux?

Nope, unfortunately.  There's no hope for it running under Wine either since
it runs in Ring 0.  Sucks.  I wish I hadn't started playing it, it's
addicting.  Maybe if everyone bothers Maxis about it, they'll let Loki port
it to Linux.  :)



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Nemchenko [mailto:drew@usfamily.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 6:10 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] cloneCD clone for Linux
> 
> 
> Can you run The Sims in Linux?
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Austad, Jay <austad@marketwatch.com>
> To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 1:01 PM
> Subject: [TCLUG] cloneCD clone for Linux
> 
> 
> > Recently, many companies have been copy protecting their CDRom's by
> > inserting errors into the disc.  When you do a dd to make 
> an ISO, you get
> a
> > bunch of errors and it fails.  Under windows, there is a 
> program called
> > CloneCD which ignores these errors and makes the ISO 
> anyway.  Is there
> > anyway I can do this with Linux?
> >
> > The Sims is a good example of a disc I was trying to backup 
> but couldn't
> > with Linux because of the evil copy protection.
> >
> > Jay
> > _______________________________________________
> > tclug-list mailing list
> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
> 
> 
> ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From 
> $7.99/mo! ------
> 
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> 

From johndmiller at mn.mediaone.net  Wed Jan  3 18:14:13 2001
From: johndmiller at mn.mediaone.net (John Miller)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:23 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Meeting This Saturday?
In-Reply-To: <3A53A98C.1F4D06A4@tc.umn.edu>
References: <394E263D7458ED4F91DA2A3066B8C18DB0A70E@MSP-MAIL01.IR>
 <3A524B9F.C5AD5632@ltiflex.com>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20010103181332.00e6fef0@pop.mn.mediaone.net>

I like this idea.

John Miller

At 04:37 PM 1/3/01 -0600, you wrote:
>I'd be happy to discuss how I got DVD playback working in Linux (not
>that it's very hard anymore or anything), and maybe a little bit of what
>I know about the behind-the-scenes stuff that goes on (hardware
>acceleration, etc).  I'm not a developer for that stuff, but I know how
>a lot of the pieces fit together..
>
>--
>  _  _  _  _ _  ___    _ _  _  ___ _ _  __   Shin: A device for
>/ \/ \(_)| ' // ._\  / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__   finding furniture in the
>\_||_/|_||_|_\\___/  \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __)  dark.
>[ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ]
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From wilson at visi.com  Wed Jan  3 18:37:45 2001
From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:24 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] settings for a CD-RW
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0101031833510.8650-100000@isis.visi.com>

Hey everyone,

I just installed my new Plextor PlexWriter 12/10/32 CD-RW. This is one of
those new drives with the "burn-proof" technology to prevent coasters.

It's an internal EIDE unit and I know that I've got to get SCSI emulation
set up to use it. My question is more basic, however. I plan to call this
/dev/cdrw and mount it at /cdrw. What should I put in /etc/fstab so I can
use it? I assume that I can use the CD-RW and not just the CD-R part.

-Tim

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From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu  Wed Jan  3 18:56:51 2001
From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:24 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] settings for a CD-RW
References: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0101031833510.8650-100000@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <3A53CA53.51F2755@tc.umn.edu>

Timothy Wilson wrote:
> 
> Hey everyone,
> 
> I just installed my new Plextor PlexWriter 12/10/32 CD-RW. This is one of
> those new drives with the "burn-proof" technology to prevent coasters.
> 
> It's an internal EIDE unit and I know that I've got to get SCSI emulation
> set up to use it. My question is more basic, however. I plan to call this
> /dev/cdrw and mount it at /cdrw. What should I put in /etc/fstab so I can
> use it? I assume that I can use the CD-RW and not just the CD-R part.

Um..

# cd /dev
# ln -s scd0 cdrw

...and then edit /etc/fstab to point to /dev/cdrw..

You can write to a CD-RW just like a CD-R when you use cdrecord, though
you may need to erase the disc first.

I haven't worked with UFS support at all (which would allow you to
read/write CD-RWs just like a regular drive), since it's marked
Experimental/Dangerous in the 2.4 kernel configuration screens.  

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From dkleist at acm.org  Wed Jan  3 18:56:32 2001
From: dkleist at acm.org (Dave Kleist)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:24 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] settings for a CD-RW
Message-ID: <01C075B6.E6B9AE40.dkleist@acm.org>

Not that I've finished installing mine (I can finally read from both drives 
now) but here's some links I found that might be helpful

http://www.aokiconsulting.com/pc/cdwriter.html
http://www.wam.umd.edu/~urgent/howto.html
http://www.linuxgazette.com/issue57/feenberg.html
http://www.linuxgazette.com/issue57/stoddard.html

and the big dog for the group (the CD-Writing HOWTO)

http://www.guug.de/~winni/linux/cdr/html

I'm running RedHat 6.2 (blech, last time I'll do that) and had to recompile 
the kernel to pull out the ide-cd stuff.  You might want to have some 
references handy for that.  For what my simple mind can follow, you'll need 
to use scsi emulation to burn a CD.

Lastly, since I still move my lips when I read Linux documentation, I found 
that an article in the Sep/Oct 2000 issue of Maximum Linux had a brief but 
helpful overview (supplied enough context for further reading).

            - Dave

-----Original Message-----
From:	Timothy Wilson [SMTP:wilson@visi.com]
Sent:	Wednesday, January 03, 2001 6:38 PM
To:	TCLUG
Subject:	[TCLUG] settings for a CD-RW

It's an internal EIDE unit and I know that I've got to get SCSI emulation
set up to use it. My question is more basic, however. I plan to call this
/dev/cdrw and mount it at /cdrw. What should I put in /etc/fstab so I can
use it? I assume that I can use the CD-RW and not just the CD-R part.

-Tim



From johndmiller at mn.mediaone.net  Wed Jan  3 18:56:27 2001
From: johndmiller at mn.mediaone.net (John Miller)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:24 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] SendFax
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20010103181429.00b6e670@pop.mn.mediaone.net>

I just tried to send my first fax.  After I hit enter, sendfax is reporting 
that ttyS3 is locked... locked... locked... give up!  cannot access fax 
device ( locked?)

How is it locked.  I had minicom running then shut it down doing the alt-a 
z x.  Minicom reported that it reinitialized the modem.  If I start minicom 
up again it runs fine on the same device.

Where might I find this lock.

John Miller


From tanner at real-time.com  Wed Jan  3 21:06:04 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:24 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Netscape 4.76 just dies
Message-ID: <20010103210604.D24102@real-time.com>

I upgraded to Netscape 4.76 and now it just dies.

% netscape-navigator 
Abort (core dumped)

I tried going back to 4.75 and it does the same thing, so I think something is
flucked up.

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From tanner at real-time.com  Wed Jan  3 21:12:56 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:24 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Netscape 4.76 just dies
In-Reply-To: <20010103210604.D24102@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 09:06:04PM -0600
References: <20010103210604.D24102@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010103211256.E24102@real-time.com>

Quoting Bob Tanner (tanner@real-time.com):
> I upgraded to Netscape 4.76 and now it just dies.
> 
> % netscape-navigator 
> Abort (core dumped)
> 
> I tried going back to 4.75 and it does the same thing, so I think something is
> flucked up.
> 

hmm, moved the .netscape to .netscape.old and restarted and it fixed everything.
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From tanner at real-time.com  Thu Jan  4 00:48:51 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:24 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] download tracker ala freshmeat
Message-ID: <20010104004851.A32606@real-time.com>

Anyone know of any code that will track the number of times a file is dowloaded
from a web site?

Like Freshmeat?


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From jethro at freakzilla.com  Thu Jan  4 00:54:24 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:24 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] download tracker ala freshmeat
In-Reply-To: <20010104004851.A32606@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0101040052310.11174-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>

  Hi,

On Thu, 4 Jan 2001, Bob Tanner wrote:

> Anyone know of any code that will track the number of times a file is dowloaded
> from a web site?
>
> Like Freshmeat?

All they're doing is pointing to an internal URL (cgi?) that gets counted
and then forwarding you onwards.

I've hacked that kinda stuff together before, it's pretty much the same as
an ad redirect thing. Should be pretty easy to do in perl.


-Yaron

--


From lerwick at tcfreenet.org  Thu Jan  4 01:34:49 2001
From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:24 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] download tracker ala freshmeat
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0101040052310.11174-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <3A542799.A8D549D8@tcfreenet.org>

> > Anyone know of any code that will track the number of times a file is dowloaded
> > from a web site?
> >
> > Like Freshmeat?
> 
> All they're doing is pointing to an internal URL (cgi?) that gets counted
> and then forwarding you onwards.
> 
> I've hacked that kinda stuff together before, it's pretty much the same as
> an ad redirect thing. Should be pretty easy to do in perl.

Or just use any number of web stat type programs and get a less
intrusive and more accurate count. Like webalizer or such...

From psp at printwareinc.com  Thu Jan  4 09:53:57 2001
From: psp at printwareinc.com (Phil Plumbo)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:24 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Qwasted, Qwersted
Message-ID: <20010104155352119.AAA297@SUMO.printwareinc.com>

I feel like I'm trapped in a Kafka novel. 

I've been going through the QWEST wringer trying to find out why my DSL line
is capped at 256k down. When I "show int wan0" on my router it shows a "line
quality" of 46db. So why won't it train at 640K down? 

So far, I've had one rep tell me it's a great line quality, as good as it
gets, and another tell me it was marginal, barely qualifying for 256k. Which
is it? What is this "line quality" number, signal to noise ratio? 

It is amazing to me how difficult it is to find someone inside Qwest who can
give me a straight answer on this. I just want to know if it is a line
quality issue that's preventing me from getting 640K, or an equipment issue,
or an oversight somewhere. 
Tech support just says "We can't help because you're getting what you're
paying for". They claim haven't heard anything about some customers getting
640K at no charge. 

One customer service rep said sure, we can give you 640K, just sign up for
the service. Another said "You should absolutely be getting 640K with that
line quality. I'll make it happen", but that was a week ago with no result.
He said he made an entry into his database, but apparently there are diffent
databases; no one can find it.

And about half of the time, when they put me on hold, they disappear into a
dialtone and I have to start the whole process over again.

It's enough to drive a grown man to drink.

Phil  Plumbo            | Printware, Inc.           |
psp@printwareinc.com    | 1270 Eagan Industrial Rd. | voice: 651-456-1400
http://printwareinc.com | St. Paul, MN 55121  USA   |   fax: 651-454-3684
                      


From dieman at ringworld.org  Thu Jan  4 10:07:49 2001
From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:24 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Qwasted, Qwersted
In-Reply-To: <20010104155352119.AAA297@SUMO.printwareinc.com>; from psp@printwareinc.com on Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 09:53:57AM -0600
References: <20010104155352119.AAA297@SUMO.printwareinc.com>
Message-ID: <20010104100749.A32389@ringworld.org>

* Phil Plumbo <psp@printwareinc.com> [010104 09:55]:
> I've been going through the QWEST wringer trying to find out why my DSL line
> is capped at 256k down. When I "show int wan0" on my router it shows a "line
> quality" of 46db. So why won't it train at 640K down? 

This sounds like another DSL line i fooled with.  I believe i took down
the wan link in cbos and changed a variable and it started training at
640.

I thinkk  i was messing with stuff about the 'scalarate'.  

set interface wan0 rate { up | down } [number]

I *think* you have to bring down the wan0 link first, though.

The person who installed you might have locked it to 256k.

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From veldy at veldy.net  Thu Jan  4 10:10:45 2001
From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:24 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Qwasted, Qwersted
References: <20010104155352119.AAA297@SUMO.printwareinc.com>
Message-ID: <008501c07668$e5ddab40$9c29680a@tgt.com>

46dB is very good - the person who told you otherwise should not be working
in tech support.  You can get 256kbps below 19dB.

Log into your router and try the following - check the syntax - it has been
awhile since I have played with a 675.

cbos# set int wan0 rate down 640 up 272 baud 340
cbos# set int wan0 retrain
cbos# write
cbos# reboot

This should set the parameters nicely for you.

Then try:

cbos# sh int wan0

Let us know if it shows you trained at 640/272 340 baud.

Tom Veldhouse
veldy@veldy.net


----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Plumbo" <psp@printwareinc.com>
To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 9:53 AM
Subject: [TCLUG] Qwasted, Qwersted


> I feel like I'm trapped in a Kafka novel.
>
> I've been going through the QWEST wringer trying to find out why my DSL
line
> is capped at 256k down. When I "show int wan0" on my router it shows a
"line
> quality" of 46db. So why won't it train at 640K down?
>
> So far, I've had one rep tell me it's a great line quality, as good as it
> gets, and another tell me it was marginal, barely qualifying for 256k.
Which
> is it? What is this "line quality" number, signal to noise ratio?
>
> It is amazing to me how difficult it is to find someone inside Qwest who
can
> give me a straight answer on this. I just want to know if it is a line
> quality issue that's preventing me from getting 640K, or an equipment
issue,
> or an oversight somewhere.
> Tech support just says "We can't help because you're getting what you're
> paying for". They claim haven't heard anything about some customers
getting
> 640K at no charge.
>
> One customer service rep said sure, we can give you 640K, just sign up for
> the service. Another said "You should absolutely be getting 640K with that
> line quality. I'll make it happen", but that was a week ago with no
result.
> He said he made an entry into his database, but apparently there are
diffent
> databases; no one can find it.
>
> And about half of the time, when they put me on hold, they disappear into
a
> dialtone and I have to start the whole process over again.
>
> It's enough to drive a grown man to drink.
>
> Phil  Plumbo            | Printware, Inc.           |
> psp@printwareinc.com    | 1270 Eagan Industrial Rd. | voice: 651-456-1400
> http://printwareinc.com | St. Paul, MN 55121  USA   |   fax: 651-454-3684
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


From psp at printwareinc.com  Thu Jan  4 11:10:12 2001
From: psp at printwareinc.com (Phil Plumbo)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:24 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Qwasted, Qwersted
Message-ID: <20010104170953328.AAA329@SUMO.printwareinc.com>

I can reset the rates, but when I retrain the line rate does not change. I
assume this means it is capped at the CO, or the CO doesn't have the right
equipment?

cbos#show int wan0
wan0   ADSL Physical Port
       Line Trained
       256 Kbps down; 272 Kbps up; 136 baud
       Line Quality 45 dB
       TX Power +10.1 dB  Remote TX Power +14.3 dB

cbos#set int wan0 rate down 640 up 272 baud 340
found baud
New ADSL parameters set; up:272Kbps, down:640Kbps

cbos#set int wan0 retrain
ADSL Physical link 0 is retraining..

cbos#show int wan0
wan0   ADSL Physical Port
       Line Trained
       256 Kbps down; 272 Kbps up; 136 baud
       Line Quality 45 dB
       TX Power +10.1 dB  Remote TX Power +14.3 dB



At 10:10 AM 1/4/01 -0600, you wrote:
>46dB is very good - the person who told you otherwise should not be working
>in tech support.  You can get 256kbps below 19dB.
>
>Log into your router and try the following - check the syntax - it has been
>awhile since I have played with a 675.
>
>cbos# set int wan0 rate down 640 up 272 baud 340
>cbos# set int wan0 retrain
>cbos# write
>cbos# reboot
>
>This should set the parameters nicely for you.
>
>Then try:
>
>cbos# sh int wan0
>
>Let us know if it shows you trained at 640/272 340 baud.
>
>Tom Veldhouse
>veldy@veldy.net
>


From tanner at real-time.com  Thu Jan  4 11:26:51 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:24 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Qwasted, Qwersted
In-Reply-To: <20010104170953328.AAA329@SUMO.printwareinc.com>; from psp@printwareinc.com on Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 11:10:12AM -0600
References: <20010104170953328.AAA329@SUMO.printwareinc.com>
Message-ID: <20010104112651.E27598@real-time.com>

Quoting Phil Plumbo (psp@printwareinc.com):
> I can reset the rates, but when I retrain the line rate does not change. I
> assume this means it is capped at the CO, or the CO doesn't have the right
> equipment?

Is QWest your ISP too?

Are you sure your ISP is not traffic shaping your link?
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From veldy at veldy.net  Thu Jan  4 11:59:47 2001
From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:24 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Qwasted, Qwersted
References: <20010104170953328.AAA329@SUMO.printwareinc.com>
Message-ID: <00cf01c07678$214ea850$9c29680a@tgt.com>

It is because your baud is not changing.  Reboot the router and then try
changing it again.  Reboot a second time before you check.  The damn 675 is
tempermental when it comes to changing settings like this.  Make sure you
write the changes to nvram before the reboot.  Follow the directions I sent
exactly and see if it does not work.  I had a similar problem in the past
when I used USWest, and that fixed it.  The reboot was necessary to get the
changes to actually stick.

Tom Veldhouse
veldy@veldy.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Plumbo" <psp@printwareinc.com>
To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Qwasted, Qwersted


> I can reset the rates, but when I retrain the line rate does not change. I
> assume this means it is capped at the CO, or the CO doesn't have the right
> equipment?
>
> cbos#show int wan0
> wan0   ADSL Physical Port
>        Line Trained
>        256 Kbps down; 272 Kbps up; 136 baud
>        Line Quality 45 dB
>        TX Power +10.1 dB  Remote TX Power +14.3 dB
>
> cbos#set int wan0 rate down 640 up 272 baud 340
> found baud
> New ADSL parameters set; up:272Kbps, down:640Kbps
>
> cbos#set int wan0 retrain
> ADSL Physical link 0 is retraining..
>
> cbos#show int wan0
> wan0   ADSL Physical Port
>        Line Trained
>        256 Kbps down; 272 Kbps up; 136 baud
>        Line Quality 45 dB
>        TX Power +10.1 dB  Remote TX Power +14.3 dB
>
>
>
> At 10:10 AM 1/4/01 -0600, you wrote:
> >46dB is very good - the person who told you otherwise should not be
working
> >in tech support.  You can get 256kbps below 19dB.
> >
> >Log into your router and try the following - check the syntax - it has
been
> >awhile since I have played with a 675.
> >
> >cbos# set int wan0 rate down 640 up 272 baud 340
> >cbos# set int wan0 retrain
> >cbos# write
> >cbos# reboot
> >
> >This should set the parameters nicely for you.
> >
> >Then try:
> >
> >cbos# sh int wan0
> >
> >Let us know if it shows you trained at 640/272 340 baud.
> >
> >Tom Veldhouse
> >veldy@veldy.net
> >
>
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From veldy at veldy.net  Thu Jan  4 12:00:39 2001
From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:24 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Qwasted, Qwersted
References: <20010104170953328.AAA329@SUMO.printwareinc.com> <20010104112651.E27598@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <00d601c07678$4109faa0$9c29680a@tgt.com>

Even if they were, it would not affect how he trains to the CO.  I used to
train at 640 but only get 256 because VISI used bandwidth limitation.

Tom Veldhouse
veldy@veldy.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Tanner" <tanner@real-time.com>
To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Qwasted, Qwersted


> Quoting Phil Plumbo (psp@printwareinc.com):
> > I can reset the rates, but when I retrain the line rate does not change.
I
> > assume this means it is capped at the CO, or the CO doesn't have the
right
> > equipment?
>
> Is QWest your ISP too?
>
> Are you sure your ISP is not traffic shaping your link?
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From mike at fruitioninc.com  Thu Jan  4 12:09:15 2001
From: mike at fruitioninc.com (Michael Bresnahan)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:25 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] settings for a CD-RW
References: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0101031833510.8650-100000@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <3A54BC4B.B25A9DB7@fruitioninc.com>

Can someone help out a newbie here and explain to me (or point me to some
info) why you need "SCSI emulation" for a (presumably) IDE CDROM drive

Mike Bresnahan
----
Timothy Wilson wrote:

> Hey everyone,
>
> I just installed my new Plextor PlexWriter 12/10/32 CD-RW. This is one of
> those new drives with the "burn-proof" technology to prevent coasters.
>
> It's an internal EIDE unit and I know that I've got to get SCSI emulation
> set up to use it. My question is more basic, however. I plan to call this
> /dev/cdrw and mount it at /cdrw. What should I put in /etc/fstab so I can
> use it? I assume that I can use the CD-RW and not just the CD-R part.
>
> -Tim
>
> --
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>
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From veldy at veldy.net  Thu Jan  4 12:16:51 2001
From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:25 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] settings for a CD-RW
References: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0101031833510.8650-100000@isis.visi.com> <3A54BC4B.B25A9DB7@fruitioninc.com>
Message-ID: <00ed01c0767a$832595a0$9c29680a@tgt.com>

You don't - for a CDROM.  But if you want to use the CDR or CDRW burning
capabilities - you need to use an interface that supports that.  ATAPI is
very similar to SCSI in many ways - and differs mostly by the fact that it
is not multithread capable.  Anyway - most software, cdrecord under *NIX and
Adaptec EZ-CDCreator under Windows use the SCSI interface to run these
devices.  This is accomplished, even under Windows, by using SCSI emulation
over ATAPI.  That is why you need it for Linux as well.

Tom Veldhouse
veldy@veldy.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Bresnahan" <mike@fruitioninc.com>
To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 12:09 PM
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] settings for a CD-RW


> Can someone help out a newbie here and explain to me (or point me to some
> info) why you need "SCSI emulation" for a (presumably) IDE CDROM drive
>
> Mike Bresnahan
> ----
> Timothy Wilson wrote:
>
> > Hey everyone,
> >
> > I just installed my new Plextor PlexWriter 12/10/32 CD-RW. This is one
of
> > those new drives with the "burn-proof" technology to prevent coasters.
> >
> > It's an internal EIDE unit and I know that I've got to get SCSI
emulation
> > set up to use it. My question is more basic, however. I plan to call
this
> > /dev/cdrw and mount it at /cdrw. What should I put in /etc/fstab so I
can
> > use it? I assume that I can use the CD-RW and not just the CD-R part.
> >
> > -Tim
> >
> > --
> > Tim Wilson      | Visit Sibley online:         | Check out:
> > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/
> > W. St. Paul, MN |                              | http://slashdot.org/
> > wilson@visi.com |   <dtml-var pithy_quote>     | http://linux.com/
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > tclug-list mailing list
> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
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From clay at fandre.com  Thu Jan  4 12:17:54 2001
From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:25 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] settings for a CD-RW
References: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0101031833510.8650-100000@isis.visi.com> <3A54BC4B.B25A9DB7@fruitioninc.com>
Message-ID: <3A54BE52.AA8A0BC5@fandre.com>

Michael Bresnahan wrote:
> 
> Can someone help out a newbie here and explain to me (or point me to some
> info) why you need "SCSI emulation" for a (presumably) IDE CDROM drive
> 

It's because IDE/ATAPI is a really simple protocol and doesn't support
all the commands that SCSI does (like eject) which the cd-writer needs.

From mike at fruitioninc.com  Thu Jan  4 12:20:08 2001
From: mike at fruitioninc.com (Michael Bresnahan)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:25 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Answered... settings for a CD-RW
References: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0101031833510.8650-100000@isis.visi.com> <3A54BC4B.B25A9DB7@fruitioninc.com>
Message-ID: <3A54BED8.A35FF171@fruitioninc.com>

The following URL answers all.

http://www.guug.de/~winni/linux/cdr/html

It appears that the CD burner drivers were implemented to only work with SCSI
devices, however you can make an IDE device look like a SCSI device by using
the "SCSI emulation" code.

Thank you, Dave Kleist.

Mike Bresnahan
----
Michael Bresnahan wrote:

> Can someone help out a newbie here and explain to me (or point me to some
> info) why you need "SCSI emulation" for a (presumably) IDE CDROM drive
>
> Mike Bresnahan
> ----
> Timothy Wilson wrote:
>
> > Hey everyone,
> >
> > I just installed my new Plextor PlexWriter 12/10/32 CD-RW. This is one of
> > those new drives with the "burn-proof" technology to prevent coasters.
> >
> > It's an internal EIDE unit and I know that I've got to get SCSI emulation
> > set up to use it. My question is more basic, however. I plan to call this
> > /dev/cdrw and mount it at /cdrw. What should I put in /etc/fstab so I can
> > use it? I assume that I can use the CD-RW and not just the CD-R part.
> >
> > -Tim
> >
> > --
> > Tim Wilson      | Visit Sibley online:         | Check out:
> > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/
> > W. St. Paul, MN |                              | http://slashdot.org/
> > wilson@visi.com |   <dtml-var pithy_quote>     | http://linux.com/
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > tclug-list mailing list
> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> _______________________________________________
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> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From goldman at htc.honeywell.com  Thu Jan  4 12:50:40 2001
From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:25 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] CD non-ripping
Message-ID: <14932.50688.206607.184603@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com>

I was talking to a Windows-using friend, and he's been doing some CD
ripping without ripping.  Apparently there's a tool called Exact Audio
Copy, for translating CD audio information into WAV files without
going through D/A conversion.  So you get good copies without
glitches.

I haven't seen any corresponding tool for linux.  Do any of you know
of one?

Cheers,
R

From natecars at real-time.com  Thu Jan  4 12:56:29 2001
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:25 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] CD non-ripping
In-Reply-To: <14932.50688.206607.184603@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0101041256190.29659-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Thu, 4 Jan 2001, Robert P. Goldman wrote:
> I was talking to a Windows-using friend, and he's been doing some CD
> ripping without ripping.  Apparently there's a tool called Exact Audio
> Copy, for translating CD audio information into WAV files without
> going through D/A conversion.  So you get good copies without
> glitches.
>
> I haven't seen any corresponding tool for linux.  Do any of you know
> of one?

cdparanoia is the best..

-- 
Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500



From austad at marketwatch.com  Thu Jan  4 12:56:59 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:25 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] CD non-ripping
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10917A@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

I think just about everything lately doesn't do D/A conversion.  I don't
think anything under linux ever has.  I've been using cdparanoia and I'm
pretty sure it's direct CDDA to WAV.  

I remember a couple of years ago, there was a tool for windows which
required a soundcard to convert CD tracks to WAV's, which is obviously D/A
conversion.  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert P. Goldman [mailto:goldman@htc.honeywell.com]
> Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 12:51 PM
> To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com
> Subject: [TCLUG] CD non-ripping
> 
> 
> 
> I was talking to a Windows-using friend, and he's been doing some CD
> ripping without ripping.  Apparently there's a tool called Exact Audio
> Copy, for translating CD audio information into WAV files without
> going through D/A conversion.  So you get good copies without
> glitches.
> 
> I haven't seen any corresponding tool for linux.  Do any of you know
> of one?
> 
> Cheers,
> R
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

From veldy at veldy.net  Thu Jan  4 13:04:39 2001
From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:25 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] settings for a CD-RW
References: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0101031833510.8650-100000@isis.visi.com> <3A54BC4B.B25A9DB7@fruitioninc.com> <3A54BE52.AA8A0BC5@fandre.com>
Message-ID: <010001c07681$328b69b0$9c29680a@tgt.com>

ATAPI does support eject - otherwise you wouldn't be able to do so
programatically :)

The main difference is theading support.  This is a performance issue more
than anything.  To give you an idea, most hard drives use the exact same
hardware for both SCSI and IDE.  The only difference is the controller
chip - and price :(  The SCSI interface allows multiple concurrent accesses
at the same time - and I do believe that ATAPI/IDE does it on a one-by-one
basis, round-robbin if you will.

Tom Veldhouse
veldy@veldy.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Clay Fandre" <clay@fandre.com>
To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 12:17 PM
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] settings for a CD-RW


> Michael Bresnahan wrote:
> >
> > Can someone help out a newbie here and explain to me (or point me to
some
> > info) why you need "SCSI emulation" for a (presumably) IDE CDROM drive
> >
>
> It's because IDE/ATAPI is a really simple protocol and doesn't support
> all the commands that SCSI does (like eject) which the cd-writer needs.
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


From veldy at veldy.net  Thu Jan  4 13:07:23 2001
From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:25 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Answered... settings for a CD-RW
References: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0101031833510.8650-100000@isis.visi.com> <3A54BC4B.B25A9DB7@fruitioninc.com> <3A54BED8.A35FF171@fruitioninc.com>
Message-ID: <010701c07681$94652810$9c29680a@tgt.com>

Unfortunately, it is not yet perfect.  Last I heard, there is no DMA access
through the SCSI emulation mode.  This is OK for CD writing, but it is not
so good when you want to read from the same drive.  Depending how you
compile your kernel, changing between SCSI emulation and real IDE/ATAPI
access (for writes and reads respectively) might require a reboot after a
configuration change (again - depends on how you have built the kernel and
passed it parameters).

Tom Veldhouse
veldy@veldy.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Bresnahan" <mike@fruitioninc.com>
To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Answered... settings for a CD-RW


> The following URL answers all.
>
> http://www.guug.de/~winni/linux/cdr/html
>
> It appears that the CD burner drivers were implemented to only work with
SCSI
> devices, however you can make an IDE device look like a SCSI device by
using
> the "SCSI emulation" code.
>
> Thank you, Dave Kleist.
>
> Mike Bresnahan
> ----
> Michael Bresnahan wrote:
>
> > Can someone help out a newbie here and explain to me (or point me to
some
> > info) why you need "SCSI emulation" for a (presumably) IDE CDROM drive
> >
> > Mike Bresnahan
> > ----
> > Timothy Wilson wrote:
> >
> > > Hey everyone,
> > >
> > > I just installed my new Plextor PlexWriter 12/10/32 CD-RW. This is one
of
> > > those new drives with the "burn-proof" technology to prevent coasters.
> > >
> > > It's an internal EIDE unit and I know that I've got to get SCSI
emulation
> > > set up to use it. My question is more basic, however. I plan to call
this
> > > /dev/cdrw and mount it at /cdrw. What should I put in /etc/fstab so I
can
> > > use it? I assume that I can use the CD-RW and not just the CD-R part.
> > >
> > > -Tim
> > >
> > > --
> > > Tim Wilson      | Visit Sibley online:         | Check out:
> > > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/
> > > W. St. Paul, MN |                              | http://slashdot.org/
> > > wilson@visi.com |   <dtml-var pithy_quote>     | http://linux.com/
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > tclug-list mailing list
> > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > tclug-list mailing list
> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu  Thu Jan  4 15:24:45 2001
From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:25 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] CD non-ripping
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10917A@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <3A54EA1D.F84F71A9@tc.umn.edu>

"Austad, Jay" wrote:
> 
> I think just about everything lately doesn't do D/A conversion.  I don't
> think anything under linux ever has.  I've been using cdparanoia and I'm
> pretty sure it's direct CDDA to WAV.
> 
> I remember a couple of years ago, there was a tool for windows which
> required a soundcard to convert CD tracks to WAV's, which is obviously D/A
> conversion.

However, I notice that some CDs don't rip well, at least with my
hardware.  They play fine, but the ripping has problems.  I suspect that
someone will start using the digital interface on CD drives to record
before too long (the little two-prong connector on the back of your
drive that usually sits right next to the four-prong stereo analog
connector).  My SB Live! has a connector for it, though I'm not sure if
you can record directly from that connector or if it does some sort of
digital->analog->digital conversion somewhere..

-- 
 _  _  _  _ _  ___    _ _  _  ___ _ _  __   Veni Vidi Visa: I came, I 
/ \/ \(_)| ' // ._\  / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__   saw, I did a little  
\_||_/|_||_|_\\___/  \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __)  shopping. 
[ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ]

From andyzb at ltiflex.com  Thu Jan  4 16:07:19 2001
From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:25 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] settings for a CD-RW
References: <01C075B6.E6B9AE40.dkleist@acm.org>
Message-ID: <3A54F417.26731B1E@ltiflex.com>


From wilson at visi.com  Thu Jan  4 17:20:42 2001
From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:25 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] settings for a CD-RW
In-Reply-To: <3A54F417.26731B1E@ltiflex.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0101041718490.24942-100000@isis.visi.com>

On Thu, 4 Jan 2001, Andy Zbikowski wrote:

> Instead of having /dev/cdrw you'll most likely want to sym link /dev/hdc
> (/dec/scd0, or whatever your drive shows up as) to /dec/cdrw ( ln -s
> /dev/scd0 /dev/cdrw ) as adding/removing devices may change the location of
> your drive sometime down the road. 

I'm already using a sym link.

> fstab would be the same as your cdrom:
> /dev/cdrw /mnt/cdrw iso9660 defaults,ro,user,noauto 0 0

I guess this is where I'm confused. Isn't the whole point of having a CD-RW
(emphasis on the "W") so you can write on it? If I put 'ro' in fstab, how
will that affect things. Also, can't I put an ext2 filesystem on it?

-Tim

--
Tim Wilson      | Visit Sibley online:         | Check out:
Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/
W. St. Paul, MN |                              | http://slashdot.org/
wilson@visi.com |   <dtml-var pithy_quote>     | http://linux.com/


From cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu  Thu Jan  4 17:40:43 2001
From: cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu (Charles Fulton)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:25 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] settings for a CD-RW
References: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0101041718490.24942-100000@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <3A5509FB.CA4F1094@oak.cats.ohiou.edu>

Writing CDs in Linux (CD-R and CD-RWs work the same) deals with devices.
cdrecord doesn't care what fstab says, it just streams the data to the CD
writing device.  What's in fstab is only important for mounting discs in the
CD-RW drive.

You can write pretty much whatever you want to a CD.  You can, for instance, dd
/dev/hda to a file and write that to a CD to have a snapshot of a drive (ext2
filesystem and all) on a CD. Assuming of course it will fit on a CD.  You could
even pipe the data through cdrecord and skip the file stage.

iso9660 supports all the pertinent information so you can back up an ext2
partition without losing anything, and it will be readable on other platforms
(be careful of permissions)

CD-RWs must be written in one shot like a CD-R, the advantage being that you can
erase them and use it again.  They are not random access like a HD or other
magnetic media.  My experience is sort of so so with CD-RWs anyway.  Some
CD-ROMs like them, some don't.  I mostly use them to test images and use a plain
CD-R if I want to move data to somewhere.

Charlie



Timothy Wilson wrote:

> I guess this is where I'm confused. Isn't the whole point of having a CD-RW
> (emphasis on the "W") so you can write on it? If I put 'ro' in fstab, how
> will that affect things. Also, can't I put an ext2 filesystem on it?


From parker at mi-recordz.com  Thu Jan  4 17:55:22 2001
From: parker at mi-recordz.com (parker@mi-recordz.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:25 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] could not bind to port 80
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10101041551590.17214-100000@momma.mi-recordz.com>

Hi,

I'm building my new workstation but failing to start httpd. Here's the
error message:
[Thu Jan  4 18:21:30 2001] [crit] (98)Address already in use: make_sock:
could not bind to port 80

How do you determine what's running on the different ports? I've solved
this problem before but for the life of me, can't recall what I did.

This is a RH7.0 workstation build. Maybe I should have gone with debian?
:)

Ron


From parker at mi-recordz.com  Thu Jan  4 18:07:33 2001
From: parker at mi-recordz.com (parker@mi-recordz.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:26 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] could not bind to port 80
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10101041551590.17214-100000@momma.mi-recordz.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10101041605450.17214-100000@momma.mi-recordz.com>

Sorry, 

Didn't check the archives first, my bad.

I've tried:
lsof |grep IPv4

but am not seeing 80 in the list.

Ron

On Thu, 4 Jan 2001 parker@mi-recordz.com wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I'm building my new workstation but failing to start httpd. Here's the
> error message:
> [Thu Jan  4 18:21:30 2001] [crit] (98)Address already in use: make_sock:
> could not bind to port 80
> 
> How do you determine what's running on the different ports? I've solved
> this problem before but for the life of me, can't recall what I did.
> 
> This is a RH7.0 workstation build. Maybe I should have gone with debian?
> :)
> 
> Ron
> 
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 


From nhartzell at macalester.edu  Thu Jan  4 19:09:39 2001
From: nhartzell at macalester.edu (Nathan Hartzell)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:26 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Networking difficulty
Message-ID: <001201c076b4$2dd50560$0200a8c0@uswest.net>

Here is my situation.  I am trying to get a linux box to connect to a Wingate server.  I unfortunately have to use Windows as my gateway computer since there are no drivers for my DSL card under Linux.  So I am currently using Wingate to do the firewalling or whatever.  My other computer can connect under Windows, of course, since it has the wingate client installed, but can I configure Linux to connect to the server as well?  If not, are there any products similar to Wingate (all I need is to be able to use the share the internet connection with the server, and be able to configure ports so that I can play games) that someone could reccomend (cost under 100 preferably) that can be connected to with Linux, work under Win98, and, if possible, can be connected to by BeOS as well?

Thanks,
Nathan Hartzell
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From austad at marketwatch.com  Thu Jan  4 19:05:55 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:26 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] could not bind to port 80
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10918C@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

do "lsof -n | grep 80"



> -----Original Message-----
> From: parker@mi-recordz.com [mailto:parker@mi-recordz.com]
> Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 6:08 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] could not bind to port 80
> 
> 
> Sorry, 
> 
> Didn't check the archives first, my bad.
> 
> I've tried:
> lsof |grep IPv4
> 
> but am not seeing 80 in the list.
> 
> Ron
> 
> On Thu, 4 Jan 2001 parker@mi-recordz.com wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I'm building my new workstation but failing to start httpd. 
> Here's the
> > error message:
> > [Thu Jan  4 18:21:30 2001] [crit] (98)Address already in 
> use: make_sock:
> > could not bind to port 80
> > 
> > How do you determine what's running on the different ports? 
> I've solved
> > this problem before but for the life of me, can't recall what I did.
> > 
> > This is a RH7.0 workstation build. Maybe I should have gone 
> with debian?
> > :)
> > 
> > Ron
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > tclug-list mailing list
> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

From dieman at ringworld.org  Thu Jan  4 19:24:38 2001
From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:26 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] 2.4.0 is out
Message-ID: <20010104192438.A17172@ringworld.org>

ftp://destiny.ringworld.org/pub/linux/linux-2.4.0.tar.bz2

-- 
Scott Dier <dieman@ringworld.org> #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net
http://www.ringworld.org/  finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org

"Kupo, kupkup, kupopo...  Po... Kupo!?  KUPOPO!!!
	<Chomp chomp> Kupooo."
		-Moguta (FFIX)
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From ben at nerp.net  Thu Jan  4 20:12:21 2001
From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:26 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] 2.4.0 is out
In-Reply-To: <20010104192438.A17172@ringworld.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0101042012040.4420-100000@chef>

damnit.. you beet me to it..

[19:09] chef:~ > finger @ftp.kernel.org
[zeus.kernel.org]

    The latest stable version of the Linux kernel is:     2.2.18
    The latest beta version of the Linux kernel is:       2.4.0-test12
    The latest prepatch (alpha) version *appears* to be:  unknown

[19:10] chef:~ > finger @ftp.kernel.org
[zeus.kernel.org]

    The latest stable version of the Linux kernel is:     2.4.0
    The latest beta version of the Linux kernel is:       2.3.99-pre9
    The latest prepatch (alpha) version *appears* to be:  unknown

:) :) :) :)

Thank You,
        Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net)

 "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends."

On Thu, 4 Jan 2001, Scott Dier wrote:

> ftp://destiny.ringworld.org/pub/linux/linux-2.4.0.tar.bz2
>
> --
> Scott Dier <dieman@ringworld.org> #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net
> http://www.ringworld.org/  finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org
>
> "Kupo, kupkup, kupopo...  Po... Kupo!?  KUPOPO!!!
> 	<Chomp chomp> Kupooo."
> 		-Moguta (FFIX)
>


From jethro at freakzilla.com  Thu Jan  4 21:42:08 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:26 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] 2.4.0 on Athlon?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0101042137130.11174-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>

  Hey....

Anyone get 2.4.0 (and 2.4.0-prerelease for that matter) to build on an
Athlon??? As soon as I set the CPU type to Athlon/K7, make dies. Here's
the output from a .config that has had NOTHING changed EXCEPT the CPU
type's been changed. This is after 'make dep' worked fine. Any ideas?


jethro@dragon:/usr/local/src/LINUX/2.4.0> make
scripts/split-include include/linux/autoconf.h include/config
gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/local/src/LINUX/2.4.0/include -Wall
-Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe
-march=i686 -malign-functions=4    -c -o init/main.o init/main.c
/usr/local/src/LINUX/2.4.0/include/asm/hw_irq.h: In function
`x86_do_profile':
In file included from /usr/local/src/LINUX/2.4.0/include/linux/irq.h:57,
                 from /usr/local/src/LINUX/2.4.0/include/asm/hardirq.h:6,
                 from
/usr/local/src/LINUX/2.4.0/include/linux/interrupt.h:45,
                 from /usr/local/src/LINUX/2.4.0/include/asm/string.h:296,
                 from
/usr/local/src/LINUX/2.4.0/include/linux/string.h:21,
                 from /usr/local/src/LINUX/2.4.0/include/linux/fs.h:23,
                 from
/usr/local/src/LINUX/2.4.0/include/linux/capability.h:17,
                 from
/usr/local/src/LINUX/2.4.0/include/linux/binfmts.h:5,
                 from /usr/local/src/LINUX/2.4.0/include/linux/sched.h:9,
                 from /usr/local/src/LINUX/2.4.0/include/linux/mm.h:4,
                 from /usr/local/src/LINUX/2.4.0/include/linux/slab.h:14,
                 from /usr/local/src/LINUX/2.4.0/include/linux/malloc.h:4,
                 from
/usr/local/src/LINUX/2.4.0/include/linux/proc_fs.h:5,
                 from init/main.c:15:
/usr/local/src/LINUX/2.4.0/include/asm/hw_irq.h:198: `current' undeclared
(first use in this function)
/usr/local/src/LINUX/2.4.0/include/asm/hw_irq.h:198: (Each undeclared
identifier is reported only once
/usr/local/src/LINUX/2.4.0/include/asm/hw_irq.h:198: for each function it
appears in.)
/usr/local/src/LINUX/2.4.0/include/linux/interrupt.h: In function
`raise_softirq':
In file included from /usr/local/src/LINUX/2.4.0/include/asm/string.h:296,
                 from
/usr/local/src/LINUX/2.4.0/include/linux/string.h:21,
                 from /usr/local/src/LINUX/2.4.0/include/linux/fs.h:23,
                 from
/usr/local/src/LINUX/2.4.0/include/linux/capability.h:17,
                 from
/usr/local/src/LINUX/2.4.0/include/linux/binfmts.h:5,
                 from /usr/local/src/LINUX/2.4.0/include/linux/sched.h:9,
                 from /usr/local/src/LINUX/2.4.0/include/linux/mm.h:4,
                 from /usr/local/src/LINUX/2.4.0/include/linux/slab.h:14,
                 from /usr/local/src/LINUX/2.4.0/include/linux/malloc.h:4,
                 from
/usr/local/src/LINUX/2.4.0/include/linux/proc_fs.h:5,
                 from init/main.c:15:
/usr/local/src/LINUX/2.4.0/include/linux/interrupt.h:89: `current'
undeclared (first use in this function)
/usr/local/src/LINUX/2.4.0/include/linux/interrupt.h: In function
`tasklet_schedule':
/usr/local/src/LINUX/2.4.0/include/linux/interrupt.h:160: `current'
undeclared (first use in this function)
/usr/local/src/LINUX/2.4.0/include/linux/interrupt.h: In function
`tasklet_hi_schedule':
/usr/local/src/LINUX/2.4.0/include/linux/interrupt.h:174: `current'
undeclared (first use in this function)
/usr/local/src/LINUX/2.4.0/include/asm/string.h: In function
`__constant_memcpy3d':
In file included from
/usr/local/src/LINUX/2.4.0/include/linux/string.h:21,
                 from /usr/local/src/LINUX/2.4.0/include/linux/fs.h:23,
                 from
/usr/local/src/LINUX/2.4.0/include/linux/capability.h:17,
                 from
/usr/local/src/LINUX/2.4.0/include/linux/binfmts.h:5,
                 from /usr/local/src/LINUX/2.4.0/include/linux/sched.h:9,
                 from /usr/local/src/LINUX/2.4.0/include/linux/mm.h:4,
                 from /usr/local/src/LINUX/2.4.0/include/linux/slab.h:14,
                 from /usr/local/src/LINUX/2.4.0/include/linux/malloc.h:4,
                 from
/usr/local/src/LINUX/2.4.0/include/linux/proc_fs.h:5,
                 from init/main.c:15:
/usr/local/src/LINUX/2.4.0/include/asm/string.h:305: `current' undeclared
(first use in this function)
/usr/local/src/LINUX/2.4.0/include/asm/string.h: In function `__memcpy3d':
/usr/local/src/LINUX/2.4.0/include/asm/string.h:312: `current' undeclared
(first use in this function)
make: *** [init/main.o] Error 1



-Yaron

--


From chrome at real-time.com  Thu Jan  4 21:47:52 2001
From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:26 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Debian, XF86 4.0.2, and a G450
Message-ID: <20010104214752.K18265@real-time.com>

I installed Dweebian on my brand-new 1.1GHz machine (does a 'make bzImage on
2.2.18 in 1m48s!), with a nifty new G450 vid board.

after figuring out what packages I needed, I installed XFree86 4.0.2, and ran
XFree86 -configure. moved the resulting config file to
/etc/X11/XF86Config-4, and tried running 'XFree86 -xf86config
/etc/X11/XF86Config-4'

unfortunately, this produces a blank screen, which does not respond to
keyboard input. :(
ssh'ing in, and killing XFree86 doesn't release the console either. :(

I have to run 'reboot' from my ssh session, in order to kill it. :(
(any way to re-initialize the console remotely, and reset it without
rebooting?)

anyone seen anything like this before? the file made by XFree86 -configure,
should produce at least a *working* output, if not an optimal one.

there don't seem to be any problematic error messages in
/var/log/XFree86.0.log

maybe in the morning I'll be able to think of something...

Carl Soderstrom
-- 
Network Engineer
Real-Time Enterprises
(952) 943-8700

From andy at theasis.com  Thu Jan  4 21:50:13 2001
From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:26 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Secure web without https?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0101042137130.11174-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0101042145480.5491-100000@desmodus.theasis.com>

My naive understanding was that encrypted web transactions had to take
place via https, via a different port than regular http. Yet I just
encountered a site that claimed, 

        This is the final step in completing your order.
        You are now connected to a secure directory where we
        guarantee your information is being sent in encrypted form.

Yet there was no indication of https, nor any other cue I recognized to
give me confidence in the statement. 

What else might they be using that would still be secure, and how would I
be able to identify it before sending credit card info?

Thanks, 

Andy


From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu  Thu Jan  4 21:53:06 2001
From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:26 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] settings for a CD-RW
References: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0101041718490.24942-100000@isis.visi.com> <3A5509FB.CA4F1094@oak.cats.ohiou.edu>
Message-ID: <3A554522.3F554CD5@tc.umn.edu>

Charles Fulton wrote:
> 
> CD-RWs must be written in one shot like a CD-R, the advantage being that you can
> erase them and use it again.  They are not random access like a HD or other
> magnetic media.  My experience is sort of so so with CD-RWs anyway.  Some
> CD-ROMs like them, some don't.  I mostly use them to test images and use a plain
> CD-R if I want to move data to somewhere.

Many drives support packet writing, so you don't have to write the whole
disc at once.  Under some circumstances, you can also get the drive to
work much like a floppy drive (as I said before, I think this involves
the UFS filesystem..).  Of course, discs written in packet mode are not
readable by many things (certainly not your portable CD player).

As for Tim's earlier question about whether Ext2 can be put on a CD --
yes, absolutely.  You just can't write to it like a regular drive. 
You'd make big empty file, run mke2fs on it, mount it as a loopback
filesystem, copy the files onto it, unmount, and then write that file to
the CD.

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/ \/ \(_)| ' // ._\  / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__   ninteen years of  
\_||_/|_||_|_\\___/  \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __)  obsolescence 
[ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ]

From chrome at real-time.com  Thu Jan  4 21:53:00 2001
From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:26 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] cloneCD clone for Linux
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109165@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 03:01:30PM -0600
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109165@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <20010104215300.L18265@real-time.com>

> Recently, many companies have been copy protecting their CDRom's by
> inserting errors into the disc.  When you do a dd to make an ISO, you get a
> bunch of errors and it fails.
	how does the CD run, then? are the errors in between files, so when
reading the files themselves, they skip over the 'bad' spots?

Carl Soderstrom
-- 
Network Engineer
Real-Time Enterprises
(952) 943-8700

From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu  Thu Jan  4 21:56:07 2001
From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:26 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] 2.4.0 on Athlon?
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0101042137130.11174-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <3A5545D7.E0F1313A@tc.umn.edu>

Yaron wrote:
> 
>   Hey....
> 
> Anyone get 2.4.0 (and 2.4.0-prerelease for that matter) to build on an
> Athlon??? As soon as I set the CPU type to Athlon/K7, make dies. Here's
> the output from a .config that has had NOTHING changed EXCEPT the CPU
> type's been changed. This is after 'make dep' worked fine. Any ideas?

What compilers and assemblers do you have?  Do you have an appropriate
release of binutils, etc.?  You might want to check the `Changes' file
in the `Documentation' directory if you haven't already...

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/ \/ \(_)| ' // ._\  / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__   be put in a nutshell  
\_||_/|_||_|_\\___/  \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __)  belongs there 
[ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ]

From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu  Thu Jan  4 22:18:53 2001
From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:26 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Debian, XF86 4.0.2, and a G450
References: <20010104214752.K18265@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <3A554B2D.DF982F7B@tc.umn.edu>

Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote:
> 
> I installed Dweebian on my brand-new 1.1GHz machine (does a 'make bzImage on
> 2.2.18 in 1m48s!), with a nifty new G450 vid board.
> 
> after figuring out what packages I needed, I installed XFree86 4.0.2, and ran
> XFree86 -configure. moved the resulting config file to
> /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, and tried running 'XFree86 -xf86config
> /etc/X11/XF86Config-4'
> 
> unfortunately, this produces a blank screen, which does not respond to
> keyboard input. :(
> ssh'ing in, and killing XFree86 doesn't release the console either. :(
> 
> I have to run 'reboot' from my ssh session, in order to kill it. :(
> (any way to re-initialize the console remotely, and reset it without
> rebooting?)
> 
> anyone seen anything like this before? the file made by XFree86 -configure,
> should produce at least a *working* output, if not an optimal one.

Yeah, well, I haven't had much luck with the auto-configure system
working properly..

You can try my config file if you like:
http://www.tc.umn.edu/~hick0088/files/XF86Config-4

It's set up for my monitor (Sony CPD-100ES  Gamma: ~1.8  Max Resolution:
1320x992 ;-), but it works fine with my video card (Matrox G400), though
I haven't had GL stuff working for a while :-(

-- 
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/ \/ \(_)| ' // ._\  / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__   boots together. 
\_||_/|_||_|_\\___/  \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __)                             
[ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ]

From jethro at freakzilla.com  Thu Jan  4 22:22:44 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:26 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] 2.4.0 on Athlon?
In-Reply-To: <3A5545D7.E0F1313A@tc.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0101042218380.11174-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>

  Hi,

On Thu, 4 Jan 2001, Michael Hicks wrote:

> What compilers and assemblers do you have?  Do you have an appropriate
> release of binutils, etc.?  You might want to check the `Changes' file
> in the `Documentation' directory if you haven't already...

Everything's up to par.

Also, I tried a bunch of other CPU types (386, Pentium classic, Crusoe and
Pentium 4), and they all work fine.


-Yaron

--


From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu  Thu Jan  4 22:27:02 2001
From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:26 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Debian, XF86 4.0.2, and a G450
References: <20010104214752.K18265@real-time.com> <3A554B2D.DF982F7B@tc.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <3A554D16.A72E4524@tc.umn.edu>

Michael Hicks wrote:
> 
> It's set up for my monitor (Sony CPD-100ES  Gamma: ~1.8  Max Resolution:
> 1320x992 ;-), but it works fine with my video card (Matrox G400), though
> I haven't had GL stuff working for a while :-(

Oh yeah..  Anyone daring enough to try my config file should also note
that I have my keyboard set up in a Dvorak layout ;-)  Just grep for
`dvorak' in the file and change it to `us' to be like the qwertyuiops of
the world.

-- 
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/ \/ \(_)| ' // ._\  / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__   -- it's "Functionally  
\_||_/|_||_|_\\___/  \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __)  Challenged." 
[ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ]

From chrome at real-time.com  Thu Jan  4 23:20:59 2001
From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:27 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Debian, XF86 4.0.2, and a G450
In-Reply-To: <3A554B2D.DF982F7B@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 10:18:53PM -0600
References: <20010104214752.K18265@real-time.com> <3A554B2D.DF982F7B@tc.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <20010104232059.A13990@real-time.com>

> Yeah, well, I haven't had much luck with the auto-configure system
> working properly..
	I've actually had very good luck with it in the past. it tends to
generate a working (if basic) configuration pretty reliably. (done on a
S3Trio and also a Matrox Mystique/S3Savage dual-head).

> You can try my config file if you like:
> http://www.tc.umn.edu/~hick0088/files/XF86Config-4
	thanks. I'll give it a whirl.

could it be that the G450 just isn't supported by X very well yet? have to
try a CVS snapshot, and see if that's better.

it didn't seem to work well with X3.3.6, either; but I didn't test that very
extensively.

I ought to try it with 3.3.6 VGA mode, and see if i can get *some* sort of
video output. otherwise I'll suspect it as broken. :(

Carl Soderstrom
-- 
Network Engineer
Real-Time Enterprises
(952) 943-8700

From lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu  Thu Jan  4 23:40:43 2001
From: lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu (Ben Luey)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:27 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Dexxa 5 button mouse +XFree 3.3.6
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.05.10101042340060.5231-100000@gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu>

I just got a new optical scroll wheel 5 button dexxa mouse. I have
mandrake 7.2 and setup Xfree-3.3.6 as below. The scroll wheel works fine,
but The forth and fifth buttons don't registered (at least grab in sawfish
doesn't see them, so I can't asign them). I tried changing to

ZAxisMapping 6 7

and then running

exec xmodmap -e "pointer = 1 2 3 6 7 4 5"
from /etc/X11/xinit/xinit

(as I read somewhere), but that just killed my scrollwheel but didn't get
me the extra buttons. Any ideas? Would switching to XFree-4.0.2 make a
difference?

Thanks,

Ben


Section "Pointer"
    Protocol    "IMPS/2"
    Device      "/dev/mouse"
    ZAxisMapping 4 5
    Buttons 7
# ChordMiddle is an option for some 3-button Logitech mice

#    ChordMiddle

EndSection




From foeclan at winternet.com  Fri Jan  5 00:39:25 2001
From: foeclan at winternet.com (Michael Vieths)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:27 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] 2.4.0 on Athlon?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0101042137130.11174-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10101050030050.20639-100000@parka.winternet.com>

I was able to do it on an FIC SD11.

Athlon related stuff I enabled:

Processor Family

ATA/IDE/MFM/RLL Support -> IDE, ATA, ATAPI Devices -> Generic PCI IDE
chipset support -> AMD Viper support

Character Devices -> /dev/agpgart -> AMD Irongate Support

Everything compiled normally.  I could send you a copy of my .config file
if you'd like. 


Michael Vieths
Foeclan@Winternet.Com



From austad at marketwatch.com  Fri Jan  5 01:32:43 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:27 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Secure web without https?
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109194@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

View the source of the page.  If the form submit's the data to an https://
url, then you should be able to consider it secure.  Many sites outsource
their card processing, and some card processors will accept data from a POST
operation to their site from the customers web page.  

Go over the HTML carefully though to be sure.



> -----Original Message-----
> From: andy@theasis.com [mailto:andy@theasis.com]
> Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 9:50 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Cc: TCLUG
> Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Secure web without https?
> 
> 
> 
> My naive understanding was that encrypted web transactions had to take
> place via https, via a different port than regular http. Yet I just
> encountered a site that claimed, 
> 
>         This is the final step in completing your order.
>         You are now connected to a secure directory where we
>         guarantee your information is being sent in encrypted form.
> 
> Yet there was no indication of https, nor any other cue I 
> recognized to
> give me confidence in the statement. 
> 
> What else might they be using that would still be secure, and 
> how would I
> be able to identify it before sending credit card info?
> 
> Thanks, 
> 
> Andy
> 
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

From austad at marketwatch.com  Fri Jan  5 01:32:43 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:27 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Secure web without https?
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109194@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

View the source of the page.  If the form submit's the data to an https://
url, then you should be able to consider it secure.  Many sites outsource
their card processing, and some card processors will accept data from a POST
operation to their site from the customers web page.  

Go over the HTML carefully though to be sure.



> -----Original Message-----
> From: andy@theasis.com [mailto:andy@theasis.com]
> Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 9:50 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Cc: TCLUG
> Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Secure web without https?
> 
> 
> 
> My naive understanding was that encrypted web transactions had to take
> place via https, via a different port than regular http. Yet I just
> encountered a site that claimed, 
> 
>         This is the final step in completing your order.
>         You are now connected to a secure directory where we
>         guarantee your information is being sent in encrypted form.
> 
> Yet there was no indication of https, nor any other cue I 
> recognized to
> give me confidence in the statement. 
> 
> What else might they be using that would still be secure, and 
> how would I
> be able to identify it before sending credit card info?
> 
> Thanks, 
> 
> Andy
> 
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

From austad at marketwatch.com  Fri Jan  5 01:35:48 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:27 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] cloneCD clone for Linux
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109195@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

> 	how does the CD run, then? are the errors in between 
> files, so when
> reading the files themselves, they skip over the 'bad' spots?

The CD runs just fine.  The must insert the errors in empty spots on the
disk or something.  I think it's somewhat similar to the copy protection
used for playstation games.  The playstation's is somewhat different though
as it makes the cd burner choke.  The protection on The Sims and some other
PC games makes the reader choke when trying to grab a bit for bit copy.

Jay



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom [mailto:chrome@real-time.com]
> Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 9:53 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] cloneCD clone for Linux
> 
> 
> > Recently, many companies have been copy protecting their CDRom's by
> > inserting errors into the disc.  When you do a dd to make 
> an ISO, you get a
> > bunch of errors and it fails.
> 	how does the CD run, then? are the errors in between 
> files, so when
> reading the files themselves, they skip over the 'bad' spots?
> 
> Carl Soderstrom
> -- 
> Network Engineer
> Real-Time Enterprises
> (952) 943-8700
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

From jamie at getsetnet.net  Fri Jan  5 06:19:11 2001
From: jamie at getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:27 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] The cry of the Apache
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0101050611421.22526-100000@floyd.getsetnet.net>



   Strange problem with Apache. It will serve .html files but not .htm.

   I have checked the apache-mime.types file and the following line
exists:

  text/html                       html htm

    I restarted the server, but still: the same lackluster results.

    WTF???


    - Jme


From jethro at freakzilla.com  Fri Jan  5 07:12:36 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:27 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] 2.4.0 on Athlon?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10101050030050.20639-100000@parka.winternet.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0101050712010.11174-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>

  Hi,

On Fri, 5 Jan 2001, Michael Vieths wrote:

> I was able to do it on an FIC SD11.

I used to have one of those...

> Everything compiled normally.  I could send you a copy of my .config file
> if you'd like.

Worth a try...

-Yaron

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From mkroska at readynetgo.com  Fri Jan  5 08:01:02 2001
From: mkroska at readynetgo.com (Mark K)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:27 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Networking difficulty
In-Reply-To: <001201c076b4$2dd50560$0200a8c0@uswest.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10101050756450.9709-100000@enterprise.readynetgo.com>

You should not have difficulties making this work.  WinGate can have
nearly any type of OS on the client side accessing it (I've had Win98,
Win2K, Linux and Mac).  If you use the DHCP server built into WinGate, it
should be even easier.  Otherwise, set the NIC in the WinGate box to
something private (I think 192.168.0.1) and assign numbers higher than
that to your workstations (such as 192.168.0.2, 3, 4, etc).  Use
192.668.0.1 as the DNS and gateway addresses for the clients.
You will need to make sure both the dialup/dsl adapter and the NIC are
enabled on the Services tab in WinGate too.

Email me off list if you have further difficulties...or if you get it to
work on the first try!

Mark

On Thu, 4 Jan 2001, Nathan Hartzell wrote:

> Here is my situation.  I am trying to get a linux box to connect to a Wingate server.  I unfortunately have to use Windows as my gateway computer since there are no drivers for my DSL card under Linux.  So I am currently using Wingate to do the firewalling or whatever.  My other computer can connect under Windows, of course, since it has the wingate client installed, but can I configure Linux to connect to the server as well?  If not, are there any products similar to Wingate (all I need is to be able to use the share the internet connection with the server, and be able to configure ports so that I can play games) that someone could reccomend (cost under 100 preferably) that can be connected to with Linux, work under Win98, and, if possible, can be connected to by BeOS as well?
> 
> Thanks,
> Nathan Hartzell
> 

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From esper at sherohman.org  Fri Jan  5 10:04:23 2001
From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:27 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Secure web without https?
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109194@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 01:32:43AM -0600
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109194@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <20010105100423.A972@sherohman.org>

On Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 01:32:43AM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote:
> View the source of the page.  If the form submit's the data to an https://
> url, then you should be able to consider it secure.  Many sites outsource
> their card processing, and some card processors will accept data from a POST
> operation to their site from the customers web page.  
> 
> Go over the HTML carefully though to be sure.

A side note on this:

I've encountered one site which had this backwards:  They swore up and down
that their credit card info page was "certified 100% as secure as it gets",
and it was - the page was served via https.  But the submit button was an
http link.  Fortunately, Netscape caught this and warned me about it.  (But,
of course, when I told them about it, they told me I didn't know what I was
talking about, repeated their litany about how secure the form is, and,
ultimately, did nothing about it.)

So cravat empty and all that stuff.

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From austad at marketwatch.com  Fri Jan  5 10:45:56 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:27 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Secure web without https?
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10919B@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

I had this exact same thing happen.  I emailed their webmaster and explained
why it was insecure, and they still swore I had no idea what I was talking
about.  It was fixed a couple of weeks later.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Sherohman [mailto:esper@sherohman.org]
> Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 10:04 AM
> To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'; TCLUG
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] OT: Secure web without https?
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 01:32:43AM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote:
> > View the source of the page.  If the form submit's the data 
> to an https://
> > url, then you should be able to consider it secure.  Many 
> sites outsource
> > their card processing, and some card processors will accept 
> data from a POST
> > operation to their site from the customers web page.  
> > 
> > Go over the HTML carefully though to be sure.
> 
> A side note on this:
> 
> I've encountered one site which had this backwards:  They 
> swore up and down
> that their credit card info page was "certified 100% as 
> secure as it gets",
> and it was - the page was served via https.  But the submit 
> button was an
> http link.  Fortunately, Netscape caught this and warned me 
> about it.  (But,
> of course, when I told them about it, they told me I didn't 
> know what I was
> talking about, repeated their litany about how secure the 
> form is, and,
> ultimately, did nothing about it.)
> 
> So cravat empty and all that stuff.
> 
> -- 
> SGI products are used to create the 'Bugs' that entertain us 
> in theatres
> and at home. - SGI job posting
> Geek Code 3.1:  GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- 
> W--(++) N+ o+
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> e* h+ r y+
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From austad at marketwatch.com  Fri Jan  5 10:45:56 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:27 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Secure web without https?
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10919B@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

I had this exact same thing happen.  I emailed their webmaster and explained
why it was insecure, and they still swore I had no idea what I was talking
about.  It was fixed a couple of weeks later.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Sherohman [mailto:esper@sherohman.org]
> Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 10:04 AM
> To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'; TCLUG
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] OT: Secure web without https?
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 01:32:43AM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote:
> > View the source of the page.  If the form submit's the data 
> to an https://
> > url, then you should be able to consider it secure.  Many 
> sites outsource
> > their card processing, and some card processors will accept 
> data from a POST
> > operation to their site from the customers web page.  
> > 
> > Go over the HTML carefully though to be sure.
> 
> A side note on this:
> 
> I've encountered one site which had this backwards:  They 
> swore up and down
> that their credit card info page was "certified 100% as 
> secure as it gets",
> and it was - the page was served via https.  But the submit 
> button was an
> http link.  Fortunately, Netscape caught this and warned me 
> about it.  (But,
> of course, when I told them about it, they told me I didn't 
> know what I was
> talking about, repeated their litany about how secure the 
> form is, and,
> ultimately, did nothing about it.)
> 
> So cravat empty and all that stuff.
> 
> -- 
> SGI products are used to create the 'Bugs' that entertain us 
> in theatres
> and at home. - SGI job posting
> Geek Code 3.1:  GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- 
> W--(++) N+ o+
> !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G 
> e* h+ r y+
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From andy at theasis.com  Fri Jan  5 10:57:43 2001
From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:27 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Secure web without https?
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109194@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0101051056450.5491-100000@desmodus.theasis.com>

On Fri, 5 Jan 2001, Austad, Jay wrote:

> View the source of the page.  If the form submit's the data to an https://
> url, then you should be able to consider it secure.  Many sites outsource
> their card processing, and some card processors will accept data from a POST
> operation to their site from the customers web page.  
> 
> Go over the HTML carefully though to be sure.

Nothing I could find in the source of the form indicated anything that
looked secure. Oh well. I'll just use the 800 number. 

Thanks for the suggestion.

Andy


From austad at marketwatch.com  Fri Jan  5 11:02:11 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:27 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Secure web without https?
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10919C@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

You might wanna yell at them for being stupid too.  :)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: andy@theasis.com [mailto:andy@theasis.com]
> Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 10:58 AM
> To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'
> Subject: RE: [TCLUG] OT: Secure web without https?
> 
> 
> On Fri, 5 Jan 2001, Austad, Jay wrote:
> 
> > View the source of the page.  If the form submit's the data 
> to an https://
> > url, then you should be able to consider it secure.  Many 
> sites outsource
> > their card processing, and some card processors will accept 
> data from a POST
> > operation to their site from the customers web page.  
> > 
> > Go over the HTML carefully though to be sure.
> 
> Nothing I could find in the source of the form indicated anything that
> looked secure. Oh well. I'll just use the 800 number. 
> 
> Thanks for the suggestion.
> 
> Andy
> 
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From andy at theasis.com  Fri Jan  5 11:05:31 2001
From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:27 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Secure web without https?
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10919C@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0101051104360.5491-100000@desmodus.theasis.com>

> You might wanna yell at them for being stupid too.  :)

Well, after your accounts, it doesn't promise to be rewarding. 
I may send them a comment along the lines of "Just how are you achieving
this 'secure' transaction?" but I ain't expecting much. 

Andy

> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: andy@theasis.com [mailto:andy@theasis.com]
> > Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 10:58 AM
> > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'
> > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] OT: Secure web without https?
> > 
> > 
> > On Fri, 5 Jan 2001, Austad, Jay wrote:
> > 
> > > View the source of the page.  If the form submit's the data 
> > to an https://
> > > url, then you should be able to consider it secure.  Many 
> > sites outsource
> > > their card processing, and some card processors will accept 
> > data from a POST
> > > operation to their site from the customers web page.  
> > > 
> > > Go over the HTML carefully though to be sure.
> > 
> > Nothing I could find in the source of the form indicated anything that
> > looked secure. Oh well. I'll just use the 800 number. 
> > 
> > Thanks for the suggestion.
> > 
> > Andy
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > tclug-list mailing list
> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > 
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From natecars at real-time.com  Fri Jan  5 11:10:44 2001
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:27 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Secure web without https?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0101042145480.5491-100000@desmodus.theasis.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0101051110380.27108-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Thu, 4 Jan 2001 andy@theasis.com wrote:
> My naive understanding was that encrypted web transactions had to take
> place via https, via a different port than regular http. Yet I just
> encountered a site that claimed,
>
>         This is the final step in completing your order.
>         You are now connected to a secure directory where we
>         guarantee your information is being sent in encrypted form.
>
> Yet there was no indication of https, nor any other cue I recognized to
> give me confidence in the statement.
>
> What else might they be using that would still be secure, and how would I
> be able to identify it before sending credit card info?

What site?

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From mkroska at readynetgo.com  Fri Jan  5 11:23:37 2001
From: mkroska at readynetgo.com (Mark K)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:27 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Secure web without https?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0101051110380.27108-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10101051123180.14856-100000@enterprise.readynetgo.com>

This sounds like a good candidate for the /. effect....:)

Mk

On Fri, 5 Jan 2001, Nate Carlson wrote:

> On Thu, 4 Jan 2001 andy@theasis.com wrote:
> > My naive understanding was that encrypted web transactions had to take
> > place via https, via a different port than regular http. Yet I just
> > encountered a site that claimed,
> >
> >         This is the final step in completing your order.
> >         You are now connected to a secure directory where we
> >         guarantee your information is being sent in encrypted form.
> >
> > Yet there was no indication of https, nor any other cue I recognized to
> > give me confidence in the statement.
> >
> > What else might they be using that would still be secure, and how would I
> > be able to identify it before sending credit card info?
> 
> What site?
> 
> 

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From andy at theasis.com  Fri Jan  5 11:27:52 2001
From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:27 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Secure web without https?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0101051110380.27108-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0101051125390.5491-100000@desmodus.theasis.com>

> >
> > What else might they be using that would still be secure, and how would I
> > be able to identify it before sending credit card info?
> 
> What site?

Oh, OK, I'll admit it:
	http://www.longstreth.com/lacrosse2001/lacrosse.htm
I was trying to order a dozen blue lacrosse balls for my dog :-)

Andy


From austad at marketwatch.com  Fri Jan  5 11:42:48 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:28 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Secure web without https?
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10919D@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

It's secure.  I just looked at it.  The https page is in a frame, and the
submit is a relative URL which would still be contained within the https://

Looks OK to me.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: andy@theasis.com [mailto:andy@theasis.com]
> Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 11:28 AM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] OT: Secure web without https?
> 
> 
> > >
> > > What else might they be using that would still be secure, 
> and how would I
> > > be able to identify it before sending credit card info?
> > 
> > What site?
> 
> Oh, OK, I'll admit it:
> 	http://www.longstreth.com/lacrosse2001/lacrosse.htm
> I was trying to order a dozen blue lacrosse balls for my dog :-)
> 
> Andy
> 
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From mpaulsen at charter.net  Fri Jan  5 11:48:38 2001
From: mpaulsen at charter.net (Mike Paulsen)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:28 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Secure web without https?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0101051125390.5491-100000@desmodus.theasis.c
 om>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0101051110380.27108-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010105114732.02310890@mail.charter.net>

It is secure. The pages where you enter your sensitive info is at:

https://www.netjunction.com/process/longstrethshop/process_ord.....


At 11:27 AM 1/5/01 -0600, you wrote:
> > >
> > > What else might they be using that would still be secure, and how would I
> > > be able to identify it before sending credit card info?
> >
> > What site?
>
>Oh, OK, I'll admit it:
>         http://www.longstreth.com/lacrosse2001/lacrosse.htm
>I was trying to order a dozen blue lacrosse balls for my dog :-)
>
>Andy
>
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>tclug-list@mn-linux.org
>https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list



From andy at theasis.com  Fri Jan  5 11:53:30 2001
From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:28 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Secure web without https?
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10919D@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0101051147210.5491-100000@desmodus.theasis.com>

On Fri, 5 Jan 2001, Austad, Jay wrote:

> It's secure.  I just looked at it.  The https page is in a frame, and the
> submit is a relative URL which would still be contained within the https://
> 
> Looks OK to me.

OK, I still don't see it, but I'll take your word for it.

It does seem like a rather squirrely way to have it set up, no? 

Andy


From andyzb at ltiflex.com  Fri Jan  5 12:01:15 2001
From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:28 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Secure web without https?
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0101051125390.5491-100000@desmodus.theasis.com>
Message-ID: <3A560BEB.1B7659EB@ltiflex.com>

> I was trying to order a dozen blue lacrosse balls for my dog :-)

Sounds like you have a dog like mine. Our soultion is when visiting tennis
courts (espically those in health clubs) and grabbing the balls that were
thrown out. There was once when we came home with a hopper full of tennis
balls (they were horrible for tennis, but perfect for the dog.) 

Unfourtanatly, the wooded areas and lawnmowers have taken care of that
collection. :)

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From andy at theasis.com  Fri Jan  5 12:22:14 2001
From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:28 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Secure web without https?
In-Reply-To: <3A560BEB.1B7659EB@ltiflex.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0101051218110.5491-100000@desmodus.theasis.com>

> > I was trying to order a dozen blue lacrosse balls for my dog :-)
> 
> Sounds like you have a dog like mine. 

The snow and the woods account for a good number. It's important to have
high contrast colors for the season. 

> Our soultion is when visiting tennis
> courts (espically those in health clubs) and grabbing the balls that were
> thrown out. There was once when we came home with a hopper full of tennis
> balls (they were horrible for tennis, but perfect for the dog.) 

It's a nice find, but note that there are 2 potential sources of harm in
tennis balls for dogs:
   - The fuzz is actually abrasive, and tends to wear down the enamel of
     the dogs' teeth.
   - There are some nasty chemicals in the fuzz. It does wear off from
     time the ball is new, but never completely.

I've even heard reports (Knew some folks at Cornell vet school) of large
dogs distorting the balls enough that they could partially swallow them
and choke. 

Lacrosse balls are nice because, aside from getting lost, they last quite
a long time.

> Unfourtanatly, the wooded areas and lawnmowers have taken care of that
> collection. :)

One day I'll have to go back in the woods and see if I can recover a dozen
or so. 

Andy

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From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu  Fri Jan  5 13:28:27 2001
From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:28 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] cloneCD clone for Linux
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109195@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <3A56205B.B5CAF931@tc.umn.edu>

"Austad, Jay" wrote:
> 
> >       how does the CD run, then? are the errors in between
> > files, so when
> > reading the files themselves, they skip over the 'bad' spots?
> 
> The CD runs just fine.  The must insert the errors in empty spots on the
> disk or something.  I think it's somewhat similar to the copy protection
> used for playstation games.  The playstation's is somewhat different though
> as it makes the cd burner choke.  The protection on The Sims and some other
> PC games makes the reader choke when trying to grab a bit for bit copy.

I think that Playstation CDs have an extra track on them that is not
readable by the average CD drive.  I forget what Sony calls that extra
track, though..  Anyway, there are two reasons why Sony does it.  One is
because Sony wants to be a gatekeeper for the games that get made for
the Playstation.  They are the only ones who make the discs (AFAIK), so
you can't put your own game for the PS on a burned disc or contact your
average stamping facility.  The other reason for the extra track is,
obviously, copy protection.

Both of these are reasons why Sony got really mad when PS emulators
started showing up.  Since standard PC drives don't know how to read
that extra track, the emulators just ignored it (just like a PS with a
mod chip does).  Suddenly, you could play games that are not blessed by
Sony, as well as discs that were copied.

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From punch at nerp.net  Fri Jan  5 13:46:24 2001
From: punch at nerp.net (PunchRock)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:28 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG - Laptop NIC and 2.4.0 upgrade
In-Reply-To: <3A56205B.B5CAF931@tc.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0101051339180.11089-100000@chef>

Hola,

I have a gateway(gayway) p3 laptop running debian w/ a 3com 3CXFE575CT
pcmcia card.

This card uses 3c575_cb.o that is running correctly in my 2.2.17 kernel. The
proper modules are in /lib/modules/2.2.17/pcmcia and everything works
fine. I threw 2.4 on it with pcmcia/cardbus support enabled and when i
startup cardmgr gives me errors saying it cant find 'cb_enabler' and
'3c575_cb'. This is obviously because /lib/modules/2.4.0/pcmcia is empty
but my question is how can i get the modules i need reinstalled. Is there
a debian way or do i need to reinstall pcmcia-cs? Any imput to getting my
pcmcia nic working in 2.4 would be great.

 Brian Riesgraf
 www.perkinz.org


From ben at nerp.net  Fri Jan  5 14:58:50 2001
From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:28 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG - Laptop NIC and 2.4.0 upgrade
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0101051339180.11089-100000@chef>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0101051457590.11918-100000@chef>

*smack* punch, I told you, you gota recompie cardservices when you're
booted up in 2.4.0, that way it tries to put the stuff in the right dir..
you also may have a /usr/include problem..

Thank You,
        Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net)

 "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends."

On Fri, 5 Jan 2001, PunchRock wrote:

> Hola,
>
> I have a gateway(gayway) p3 laptop running debian w/ a 3com 3CXFE575CT
> pcmcia card.
>
> This card uses 3c575_cb.o that is running correctly in my 2.2.17 kernel. The
> proper modules are in /lib/modules/2.2.17/pcmcia and everything works
> fine. I threw 2.4 on it with pcmcia/cardbus support enabled and when i
> startup cardmgr gives me errors saying it cant find 'cb_enabler' and
> '3c575_cb'. This is obviously because /lib/modules/2.4.0/pcmcia is empty
> but my question is how can i get the modules i need reinstalled. Is there
> a debian way or do i need to reinstall pcmcia-cs? Any imput to getting my
> pcmcia nic working in 2.4 would be great.
>
>  Brian Riesgraf
>  www.perkinz.org
>
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


From clay at fandre.com  Fri Jan  5 15:50:14 2001
From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:28 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Problems compiling alsa
Message-ID: <3A564196.FDC3297A@fandre.com>

I'm having some problems compiling the alsa-source on my debian box
running 2.4final. I got it to work with 2.4-test12, but the prerelease
and final causes it to bomb. This is what I'm getting now when I do a
make-kpkg modules_image:


make[5]: Entering directory `/usr/src/modules/alsa-driver/lowlevel/isa'
gcc   -DALSA_BUILD -D__KERNEL__ -O2 -m486 -malign-loops=2
-malign-jumps=2 -malign-functions=2 -DCPU=686 -DLINUX -Wall
-Wstrict-prototypes -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe
-I/opt/kernel/linux/include -I../.. -DEXPORT_SYMTAB -c wavefront.c
wavefront.c: In function `wavefront_wait':
wavefront.c:307: structure has no member named `loops_per_sec'
{standard input}: Assembler messages:
{standard input}:8: Warning: Ignoring changed section attributes for
.modinfo
make[5]: *** [wavefront.o] Error 1
make[5]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/modules/alsa-driver/lowlevel/isa'
make[4]: *** [all] Error 1
make[4]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/modules/alsa-driver/lowlevel'
make[3]: *** [compile] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/modules/alsa-driver'
make[2]: *** [install-modules] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/modules/alsa-driver'
make[1]: *** [kdist_image] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/modules/alsa-driver'
Module /usr/src/modules/alsa-driver failed.
Hit return to Continue

Any ideas?

From clay at fandre.com  Fri Jan  5 15:56:30 2001
From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:28 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Problems compiling alsa
References: <3A564196.FDC3297A@fandre.com>
Message-ID: <3A56430E.1DEBF804@fandre.com>

Nevermind. Found some info on the alsa website:

http://www.alsa-project.org/archive/alsa-devel/msg08008.html


Clay Fandre wrote:
> 
> I'm having some problems compiling the alsa-source on my debian box
> running 2.4final. I got it to work with 2.4-test12, but the prerelease
> and final causes it to bomb. This is what I'm getting now when I do a
> make-kpkg modules_image:
> 
> make[5]: Entering directory `/usr/src/modules/alsa-driver/lowlevel/isa'
> gcc   -DALSA_BUILD -D__KERNEL__ -O2 -m486 -malign-loops=2
> -malign-jumps=2 -malign-functions=2 -DCPU=686 -DLINUX -Wall
> -Wstrict-prototypes -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe
> -I/opt/kernel/linux/include -I../.. -DEXPORT_SYMTAB -c wavefront.c
> wavefront.c: In function `wavefront_wait':
> wavefront.c:307: structure has no member named `loops_per_sec'
> {standard input}: Assembler messages:
> {standard input}:8: Warning: Ignoring changed section attributes for
> .modinfo
> make[5]: *** [wavefront.o] Error 1
> make[5]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/modules/alsa-driver/lowlevel/isa'
> make[4]: *** [all] Error 1
> make[4]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/modules/alsa-driver/lowlevel'
> make[3]: *** [compile] Error 1
> make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/modules/alsa-driver'
> make[2]: *** [install-modules] Error 2
> make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/modules/alsa-driver'
> make[1]: *** [kdist_image] Error 2
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/modules/alsa-driver'
> Module /usr/src/modules/alsa-driver failed.
> Hit return to Continue
> 
> Any ideas?
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

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From austad at marketwatch.com  Fri Jan  5 15:56:26 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:28 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Problems compiling alsa
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1091A4@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

In wavefront.c line 307 try changing loops_per_sec to loops_per_jiffy



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Clay Fandre [mailto:clay@fandre.com]
> Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 3:50 PM
> To: Twin Cities Linux User Group
> Subject: [TCLUG] Problems compiling alsa
> 
> 
> I'm having some problems compiling the alsa-source on my debian box
> running 2.4final. I got it to work with 2.4-test12, but the prerelease
> and final causes it to bomb. This is what I'm getting now when I do a
> make-kpkg modules_image:
> 
> 
> make[5]: Entering directory 
> `/usr/src/modules/alsa-driver/lowlevel/isa'
> gcc   -DALSA_BUILD -D__KERNEL__ -O2 -m486 -malign-loops=2
> -malign-jumps=2 -malign-functions=2 -DCPU=686 -DLINUX -Wall
> -Wstrict-prototypes -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe
> -I/opt/kernel/linux/include -I../.. -DEXPORT_SYMTAB -c wavefront.c
> wavefront.c: In function `wavefront_wait':
> wavefront.c:307: structure has no member named `loops_per_sec'
> {standard input}: Assembler messages:
> {standard input}:8: Warning: Ignoring changed section attributes for
> .modinfo
> make[5]: *** [wavefront.o] Error 1
> make[5]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/modules/alsa-driver/lowlevel/isa'
> make[4]: *** [all] Error 1
> make[4]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/modules/alsa-driver/lowlevel'
> make[3]: *** [compile] Error 1
> make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/modules/alsa-driver'
> make[2]: *** [install-modules] Error 2
> make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/modules/alsa-driver'
> make[1]: *** [kdist_image] Error 2
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/modules/alsa-driver'
> Module /usr/src/modules/alsa-driver failed.
> Hit return to Continue
> 
> Any ideas?
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

From jon.erickson at neicoltech.org  Fri Jan  5 16:07:16 2001
From: jon.erickson at neicoltech.org (Jonathan Erickson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:28 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <3A564196.FDC3297A@fandre.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBKHCGOKJELAOOKKMDAENGCBAA.jon.erickson@neicoltech.org>

I can't seem to find the suggested modutils for the 2.4 kernel.  In the
Changes file, it suggests that you use:

o  modutils               2.4.0                   # insmod -V

I can't find modutils-2.4.0 anywhere.  Latest that I can find is the
modutils-2.3.9-6 package.  What implications will this have when compiling a
new kernel?

Thanks,

Jon Erickson


From tim at tneu.visi.com  Fri Jan  5 10:50:07 2001
From: tim at tneu.visi.com (tim)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:28 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Secure web without https?
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10919C@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0101051046190.15012-100000@tneu.visi.com>

On Fri, 5 Jan 2001, Austad, Jay wrote:

> You might wanna yell at them for being stupid too.  :)

That's nuthin. 

How about web sites which have secure (https) web pages, but then email
back to you your order confirmation INCLUDING YOUR ENTIRE CREDIT CARD
NUMBER in plain text. (heck, usually in all upper case too!  ;-)

The problem is there is no standard (other than common sense) for what
happens to your information AFTER the information is retreived from the
web page.   There is no guarentee that the company will handle it
responsibly. 

I bet many vendor web sites don't bother even encrypting your CC info in
their databases... 

-- 
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
What the president of the Motion Picture Association of America says about 
taking away your constitutional rights:

"I'm rather jubilant now. What Judge Kaplan did was blow away every one of 
these brittle and fragile rebuttals. He threw out fair use; he threw out 
reverse engineering; he threw out linking."

- Jack Valenti, president of the Motion Picture Association of America.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
______         _ __         "If you don't have the freedom to use what you
  /           ' )  )               own - then you do not own anything."
 / o ______    /  / _  . .    No apologies to Jack Valenti or the MPAA
/ <_/ / / <   /  (_</_(_/_  -- tneu@visi.com / http://www.visi.com/~tneu --


From austad at marketwatch.com  Fri Jan  5 17:02:43 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:28 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Secure web without https?
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1091A8@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

>I bet many vendor web sites don't bother even encrypting your CC info in
>their databases... 

Awhile back, I was trying to help with a really sweet PHP shopping cart
(http://www.theexchangeproject.org).  One of the fields in the database at
the time stored the credit card number unencrypted.  I don't know if they've
changed it since, but I know if I had started using that shopping cart,
there's no way in hell I would have stored card numbers.  Plus, no one would
give me a merchant account anyway since I have crappy credit.  :(

I'll probably be setting up http://www.peltiercoolers.com sometime within
the next couple of months and just end up using a Paypal business account.  

Jay



> -----Original Message-----
> From: tim [mailto:tim@tneu.visi.com]
> Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 10:50 AM
> To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'
> Subject: RE: [TCLUG] OT: Secure web without https?
> 
> 
> On Fri, 5 Jan 2001, Austad, Jay wrote:
> 
> > You might wanna yell at them for being stupid too.  :)
> 
> That's nuthin. 
> 
> How about web sites which have secure (https) web pages, but 
> then email
> back to you your order confirmation INCLUDING YOUR ENTIRE CREDIT CARD
> NUMBER in plain text. (heck, usually in all upper case too!  ;-)
> 
> The problem is there is no standard (other than common sense) for what
> happens to your information AFTER the information is 
> retreived from the
> web page.   There is no guarentee that the company will handle it
> responsibly. 
> 
> I bet many vendor web sites don't bother even encrypting your 
> CC info in
> their databases... 
> 
> -- 
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> What the president of the Motion Picture Association of 
> America says about 
> taking away your constitutional rights:
> 
> "I'm rather jubilant now. What Judge Kaplan did was blow away 
> every one of 
> these brittle and fragile rebuttals. He threw out fair use; 
> he threw out 
> reverse engineering; he threw out linking."
> 
> - Jack Valenti, president of the Motion Picture Association 
> of America.
> 
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> ______         _ __         "If you don't have the freedom to 
> use what you
>   /           ' )  )               own - then you do not own 
> anything."
>  / o ______    /  / _  . .    No apologies to Jack Valenti or the MPAA
> / <_/ / / <   /  (_</_(_/_  -- tneu@visi.com / 
http://www.visi.com/~tneu --

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From foeclan at winternet.com  Fri Jan  5 17:17:20 2001
From: foeclan at winternet.com (Michael Vieths)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:28 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <NEBBKHCGOKJELAOOKKMDAENGCBAA.jon.erickson@neicoltech.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10101051716310.11904-100000@tundra.winternet.com>

They're on ftp.kernel.org in the 'utils' directory.  I think it's
/pub/linux/utils/kernel/2.4.0 or something similar.

Michael Vieths
Foeclan@Winternet.Com

On Fri, 5 Jan 2001, Jonathan Erickson wrote:

> I can't seem to find the suggested modutils for the 2.4 kernel.  In the
> Changes file, it suggests that you use:
> 
> o  modutils               2.4.0                   # insmod -V
> 
> I can't find modutils-2.4.0 anywhere.  Latest that I can find is the
> modutils-2.3.9-6 package.  What implications will this have when compiling a
> new kernel?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jon Erickson
> 
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 


From wilson at visi.com  Fri Jan  5 20:05:34 2001
From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:29 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] failed SSH connection
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0101052003270.19323-100000@isis.visi.com>

Hey everyone,

I haven't been able to log in remotely to my science dept. server since
installing Debian stable on it a while ago. SSH sessions are fine from our
LAN, but from home I get the following:

wilson@copland:~$ ssh -l wilsont science.sibley.isd197.k12.mn.us
ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host

What's ssh_exchange_identification? FWIW, I'm using Debian woody here at
home which is the same as my workstation at work. Any ideas?

-Tim

--
Tim Wilson      | Visit Sibley online:         | Check out:
Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/
W. St. Paul, MN |                              | http://slashdot.org/
wilson@visi.com |   <dtml-var pithy_quote>     | http://linux.com/


From wilson at visi.com  Fri Jan  5 20:11:38 2001
From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:29 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Compaq DL 380 and Linux
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0101052005360.19323-100000@isis.visi.com>

Hi *,

Great news!

The Henry Sibley PTA has raised $6500 to buy our school district a new Web
server. This is greatly needed because our current machine is a cast-off P75
(with 120 MHz overdrive chip), 32 MB RAM and a crappy IDE HD.

We're essentially all Compaq here and our head geek wants to standardize
hardware as much as possible to give flexibility for recycling servers,
trading drives, etc. As a result we're looking at a new rack-mount DL
380. Here are the specs (for the curious among you):

* 933 MHz Pentium III
* (2) 18 GB 10k RPM SCSI drives (RAID mirroring)
* On-board Smart Array RAID controller
* 512 MB RAM
* 3U rack-mount case
* normal everything else

It will be plugged into a huge UPS and we've got a mongo DLT tape library
system for all of the servers.

Anyone have experience with Linux on one of these? Compaq lists RedHat,
SuSE, and one other distro that I can't remember as "certified." Can I
expect any problems installing Debian on it?

-Tim

--
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Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/
W. St. Paul, MN |                              | http://slashdot.org/
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From jhawley at bgea.org  Fri Jan  5 20:45:18 2001
From: jhawley at bgea.org (John Hawley)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:29 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] 2.4.0 is out
References: <20010104192438.A17172@ringworld.org>
Message-ID: <3A5686BE.2794BBD2@bgea.org>

hmmm,  I'm trying to rebuild my kernel to the 2.4.0 edition and can't seem to
find the driver for my old Dec Etherworks3 card.  There seem to be a few
files missing in the source tree.  Does anyone know if I can just copy the
missing ones over from the 2.2.18 sources?

pookie:/home/hawley/src/linux-2.2.18# find . -name ew*
./include/config/ewrk3.h
./drivers/net/ewrk3.c
./drivers/net/ewrk3.h
./drivers/net/ewrk3.o
./Documentation/networking/ewrk3.txt

pookie:/home/hawley/src/linux-2.4.0# find . -name ew*
./drivers/net/ewrk3.c
./drivers/net/ewrk3.h
./Documentation/networking/ewrk3.txt
pookie:/home/hawley/src/linux-2.4.0#

-jh

Scott Dier wrote:

> ftp://destiny.ringworld.org/pub/linux/linux-2.4.0.tar.bz2
>
> --
> Scott Dier <dieman@ringworld.org> #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net
> http://www.ringworld.org/  finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org
>
> "Kupo, kupkup, kupopo...  Po... Kupo!?  KUPOPO!!!
>         <Chomp chomp> Kupooo."
>                 -Moguta (FFIX)
>
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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>            Encoding: 7bit

--
John Hawley
Network Admin // BGEA
612.335.1334
jhawley@bgea.org


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From andy at theasis.com  Fri Jan  5 20:52:34 2001
From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:29 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] spellchecker for LaTeX docs?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0101052051220.5491-100000@desmodus.theasis.com>

Does anyone know of a spellchecker that already knows how to ignore all
the various LaTeX markup thingies? Or will I have to make this a little
perl project?

Thanks, 

Andy


From clay at fandre.com  Fri Jan  5 21:04:21 2001
From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:29 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] failed SSH connection
References: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0101052003270.19323-100000@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <3A568B35.D69BD7F9@fandre.com>

Timothy Wilson wrote:
> 
> Hey everyone,
> 
> I haven't been able to log in remotely to my science dept. server since
> installing Debian stable on it a while ago. SSH sessions are fine from our
> LAN, but from home I get the following:
> 
> wilson@copland:~$ ssh -l wilsont science.sibley.isd197.k12.mn.us
> ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host
> 
> What's ssh_exchange_identification? FWIW, I'm using Debian woody here at
> home which is the same as my workstation at work. Any ideas?
> 


Check your /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny files. You will get this
error if you're being blocked by tcp-wrappers.

From jreuter at reuter-engineering.com  Fri Jan  5 21:38:20 2001
From: jreuter at reuter-engineering.com (Jon V. Reuter)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:29 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] The cry of the Apache
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0101050611421.22526-100000@floyd.getsetnet.net>
Message-ID: <3A56932C.1561377C@reuter-engineering.com>

I had the exact same problem.  I added the following line
to srm.conf, bounced apache and it worked fine.

AddType text/html .htm

Hope this helps.  (I am using an older version of apache - 1.2.6)

Jon Reuter


Jamie Ostrowski wrote:
> 
>    Strange problem with Apache. It will serve .html files but not .htm.
> 
>    I have checked the apache-mime.types file and the following line
> exists:
> 
>   text/html                       html htm
> 
>     I restarted the server, but still: the same lackluster results.
> 
>     WTF???
> 
>     - Jme
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
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From veldy at veldy.net  Fri Jan  5 21:59:47 2001
From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:29 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] 2.4.0 is out
References: <20010104192438.A17172@ringworld.org> <3A5686BE.2794BBD2@bgea.org>
Message-ID: <001b01c07795$1cace820$1d750140@cascade>

The networking interfaces are different between 2.4 and 2.2.  I once tried
tulip.c on a 2.3 kernel and it didn't work.  The problem then was the 2.0
version of the Linksys 10/100 cards weren't supported - so I had to download
the driver.  No good on the later version kernels.

Tom Veldhouse
veldy@veldy.net

----- Original Message -----
From: John Hawley
To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] 2.4.0 is out


hmmm,  I'm trying to rebuild my kernel to the 2.4.0 edition and can't seem
to find the driver for my old Dec Etherworks3 card.  There seem to be a few
files missing in the source tree.  Does anyone know if I can just copy the
missing ones over from the 2.2.18 sources?
pookie:/home/hawley/src/linux-2.2.18# find . -name ew*
./include/config/ewrk3.h
./drivers/net/ewrk3.c
./drivers/net/ewrk3.h
./drivers/net/ewrk3.o
./Documentation/networking/ewrk3.txt
pookie:/home/hawley/src/linux-2.4.0# find . -name ew*
./drivers/net/ewrk3.c
./drivers/net/ewrk3.h
./Documentation/networking/ewrk3.txt
pookie:/home/hawley/src/linux-2.4.0#
-jh
Scott Dier wrote:
ftp://destiny.ringworld.org/pub/linux/linux-2.4.0.tar.bz2
--
Scott Dier <dieman@ringworld.org> #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net
http://www.ringworld.org/  finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org
"Kupo, kupkup, kupopo...  Po... Kupo!?  KUPOPO!!!
        <Chomp chomp> Kupooo."
                -Moguta (FFIX)
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           Encoding: 7bit
--
John Hawley
Network Admin // BGEA
612.335.1334
jhawley@bgea.org



From tanner at real-time.com  Fri Jan  5 22:13:41 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:29 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] 2.4 and RedHat 7.0
Message-ID: <20010105221341.A9543@real-time.com>

I know I am going to get flamed, with RedHat 7.0 using the wacked gcc, but
anyone able to get 2.4 to compile?

I am getting lots of these:

{standard input}: Assembler messages:
{standard input}:8: Warning: Ignoring changed section attributes for .modinfo
make[3]: *** [r128_cce.o] Error 1

-- 
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http://www.mn-linux.org                 | Fax   : (952)943-8500
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From wilson at visi.com  Fri Jan  5 22:31:56 2001
From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:29 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] failed SSH connection
In-Reply-To: <3A568B35.D69BD7F9@fandre.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0101052231060.25755-100000@isis.visi.com>

On Fri, 5 Jan 2001, Clay Fandre wrote:

> > wilson@copland:~$ ssh -l wilsont science.sibley.isd197.k12.mn.us
> > ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host
> > 
> > What's ssh_exchange_identification? FWIW, I'm using Debian woody here at
> > home which is the same as my workstation at work. Any ideas?
> > 
> Check your /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny files. You will get this
> error if you're being blocked by tcp-wrappers.

Yeah, that's what I thought. I put an entry for my static IP in hosts.allow,
but I guess I did it wrong. I'll have another look.

-Tim

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From tanner at real-time.com  Fri Jan  5 23:06:57 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:29 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Caldera forget to pay their TLD bills?
Message-ID: <20010105230657.D9543@real-time.com>

% nslookup www.calderasystems.com
Server:  ranger.real-time.com
Address:  206.10.252.4

*** ranger.real-time.com can't find www.calderasystems.com: Non-existent
host/domain

$ nslookup www.caldera.com
Server:  ns.real-time.com
Address:  206.10.252.1

*** ns.real-time.com can't find www.caldera.com: Non-existent host/domain

whois says it does not expire until Aug-2001

Anyone?

-- 
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From austad at marketwatch.com  Fri Jan  5 23:24:12 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:29 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT (sorta): Sun disk arrays
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1091AD@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

No one I ask really seems to know the answer to this question.  I need to
purchase another Sun A5100 Fiber Channel disk array to add some capacity to
a Sun system that we may not have much longer.  I NEED the space, but since
we may not be using it for much longer, I need to find a way to repurpose it
before I purchase it.  Unfortunately, a half terabyte company MP3 server
would not be looked very highly upon by the penny pinchers.

So, does anyone know if I can use the array with a Windows 2000 database
server?  Does the A5100 have it's own built in RAID controller, or is that
handled with the Fiber Channel card?  If it will work, and perform well
enough for a huge database under Win2k, I can pass this off and use it for
as long as I need it, and then give it to another department when I'm done.

If you don't know, can you tell me who I might contact to find this out?

Thanks.

Jay  

From johndmiller at mn.mediaone.net  Sat Jan  6 02:28:42 2001
From: johndmiller at mn.mediaone.net (John Miller)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:29 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] vgetty respawning too fast
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20010106021745.00b76be0@pop.mn.mediaone.net>

I am trying to get vgetty and sendfax running on my RH7 machine.  I put the 
following entry in my inttab file: vg:345:respawn:/sbin/vgetty ttyS3.  I 
reboot and start getting the following error: INIT: Id "vg" respawning too 
fast: disabled for 5 minutes.  I would be interested in knowing what is 
going on and how to fix it.

Thanks
John Miller


From tobytoo at black-hole.com  Sat Jan  6 10:02:54 2001
From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (b. toberman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:29 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Caldera forget to pay their TLD bills?
References: <20010105230657.D9543@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <3A5741AE.CE4AE59D@black-hole.com>

It worked fine for me this morning.
http://www.calderasystems.com/




Bob Tanner wrote:

> % nslookup www.calderasystems.com
> Server:  ranger.real-time.com
> Address:  206.10.252.4
>
> *** ranger.real-time.com can't find www.calderasystems.com: Non-existent
> host/domain
>
> $ nslookup www.caldera.com
> Server:  ns.real-time.com
> Address:  206.10.252.1
>
> *** ns.real-time.com can't find www.caldera.com: Non-existent host/domain
>
> whois says it does not expire until Aug-2001
>
> Anyone?
>
> --
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> http://www.mn-linux.org                 | Fax   : (952)943-8500
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From mike at getbent.net  Sat Jan  6 13:36:39 2001
From: mike at getbent.net (Mike Nielsen)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:29 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Failover router
Message-ID: <01010613363900.24206@Dingo>

I'm looking for a collection of tools that I can use to turn a linux box into
a failover router.  

Basically I want a setup that is able to take two high speed connections, 
Etiehr DSL, cable, T1, ISDN whatever and make a determination as to which
is currently working and route traffic to it.  

The ideal scenario would be if the primary connection dies to allow 
connections to the servers via the other connection without having
to reconfigure anything.

Has anyone tried this before?

-- 


-----------------------------
|\/|ike@GetBent.net

From austad at marketwatch.com  Sat Jan  6 14:55:19 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:29 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Failover router
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1091B1@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

Will the box be doing NAT for clients on the inside?  You'll pretty much
have to or you'd need to change you IP's on each machine when one connection
failed.

Use the IP-masq howto and build your rc.firewall file.  Build a rc.firewall2
file with information to your other internet connection in it.

Write a perl script, or even a shell script that pings your first hop after
your DSL router or cable modem.  If the pings fail for 10 seconds, make the
script run "ipchains -F" and then run rc.firewall2.

You'll probably want to add code to switch it back over if your other
connection comes back if that is your preferred connection.  Shouldn't be
too hard.

Jay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Nielsen [mailto:mike@getbent.net]
> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 1:37 PM
> To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com
> Subject: [TCLUG] Failover router
> 
> 
> 
> I'm looking for a collection of tools that I can use to turn 
> a linux box into
> a failover router.  
> 
> Basically I want a setup that is able to take two high speed 
> connections, 
> Etiehr DSL, cable, T1, ISDN whatever and make a determination 
> as to which
> is currently working and route traffic to it.  
> 
> The ideal scenario would be if the primary connection dies to allow 
> connections to the servers via the other connection without having
> to reconfigure anything.
> 
> Has anyone tried this before?
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> -----------------------------
> |\/|ike@GetBent.net
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> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

From austad at marketwatch.com  Sat Jan  6 14:55:19 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:29 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Failover router
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1091B1@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

Will the box be doing NAT for clients on the inside?  You'll pretty much
have to or you'd need to change you IP's on each machine when one connection
failed.

Use the IP-masq howto and build your rc.firewall file.  Build a rc.firewall2
file with information to your other internet connection in it.

Write a perl script, or even a shell script that pings your first hop after
your DSL router or cable modem.  If the pings fail for 10 seconds, make the
script run "ipchains -F" and then run rc.firewall2.

You'll probably want to add code to switch it back over if your other
connection comes back if that is your preferred connection.  Shouldn't be
too hard.

Jay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Nielsen [mailto:mike@getbent.net]
> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 1:37 PM
> To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com
> Subject: [TCLUG] Failover router
> 
> 
> 
> I'm looking for a collection of tools that I can use to turn 
> a linux box into
> a failover router.  
> 
> Basically I want a setup that is able to take two high speed 
> connections, 
> Etiehr DSL, cable, T1, ISDN whatever and make a determination 
> as to which
> is currently working and route traffic to it.  
> 
> The ideal scenario would be if the primary connection dies to allow 
> connections to the servers via the other connection without having
> to reconfigure anything.
> 
> Has anyone tried this before?
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> -----------------------------
> |\/|ike@GetBent.net
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

From chrome at real-time.com  Sat Jan  6 15:14:37 2001
From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:29 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Secure web without https?
In-Reply-To: <3A560BEB.1B7659EB@ltiflex.com>; from andyzb@ltiflex.com on Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 12:01:15PM -0600
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0101051125390.5491-100000@desmodus.theasis.com> <3A560BEB.1B7659EB@ltiflex.com>
Message-ID: <20010106151437.B28929@real-time.com>

> Sounds like you have a dog like mine. Our soultion is when visiting tennis
> courts (espically those in health clubs) and grabbing the balls that were
> thrown out. There was once when we came home with a hopper full of tennis
> balls (they were horrible for tennis, but perfect for the dog.) 

so *you're* the one who's been swiping the prospective catapult-shot before I 
can get it!

;>

Carl Soderstrom
-- 
Network Engineer
Real-Time Enterprises
(952) 943-8700

From lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu  Wed Jan  3 22:30:07 2001
From: lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu (Ben Luey)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:30 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] dexxa 5 button mouse + Xfree 3.3.6
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.05.10101032226410.3292-100000@gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu>

I just got a new optical scroll wheel 5 button dexxa mouse. I have
mandrake 7.2 and setup Xfree-3.3.6 as below. The scroll wheel works fine,
but The forth and fifth buttons don't registered (at least grab in sawfish
doesn't see them, so I can't asign them). I tried changing to 

ZAxisMapping 6 7

and then running 

exec xmodmap -e "pointer = 1 2 3 6 7 4 5"
from /etc/X11/xinit/xinit

(as I read somewhere), but that just killed my scrollwheel but didn't get
me the extra buttons. Any ideas? Would switching to XFree-4.0.2 make a
difference?

Thanks,

Ben


 

Section "Pointer"
    Protocol    "IMPS/2"
    Device      "/dev/mouse"
    ZAxisMapping 4 5
    Buttons 7
# ChordMiddle is an option for some 3-button Logitech mice

#    ChordMiddle

EndSection



From reitzd at charter.net  Sat Jan  6 18:22:56 2001
From: reitzd at charter.net (Doug Reitz)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:30 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] 2.4 and RedHat 7.0
References: <200101061802.f06I2j819163@sprite.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <3A57B6DF.796CE2B8@charter.net>

I had similar problems when trying to compile the real-time 2.2.14 kernel on Red Hat 7.0.  The gcc version was not compatable.  However, the egcs version
included with RedHat 7.0 was compatitle (2.91.66 release 1.1.2).  After changing CC and HOSTCC in the top level Makefile from gcc to egcs and starting
from a make clean, the kernel compiled.  Maybe this will work for 2.4.0.

Doug Reitz



> --__--__--
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 22:13:41 -0600
> From: Bob Tanner <tanner@real-time.com>
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: [TCLUG] 2.4 and RedHat 7.0
> Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
>
> I know I am going to get flamed, with RedHat 7.0 using the wacked gcc, but
> anyone able to get 2.4 to compile?
>
> I am getting lots of these:
>
> {standard input}: Assembler messages:
> {standard input}:8: Warning: Ignoring changed section attributes for .modinfo
> make[3]: *** [r128_cce.o] Error 1
>
> --
> Bob Tanner <tanner@real-time.com>       | Phone : (952)943-8700
> http://www.mn-linux.org                 | Fax   : (952)943-8500
> Key fingerprint =  6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9
>
> --__--__--


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From jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us  Sun Jan  7 11:19:35 2001
From: jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us (Jim Kaufman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:30 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] could not bind to port 80
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10918C@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 07:05:55PM -0600
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10918C@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <20010107111935.A10160@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us>

I like the command "fuser -n tcp 80". When run as root it will show the
PID of the process using local port 80. Check the man page. fuser is
useful.

On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 07:05:55PM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote:
> do "lsof -n | grep 80"
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: parker@mi-recordz.com [mailto:parker@mi-recordz.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 6:08 PM
> > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] could not bind to port 80
> > 
> > 
> > On Thu, 4 Jan 2001 parker@mi-recordz.com wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > I'm building my new workstation but failing to start httpd. 
> > Here's the
> > > error message:
> > > [Thu Jan  4 18:21:30 2001] [crit] (98)Address already in 
> > use: make_sock:
> > > could not bind to port 80
> > > 
> > > How do you determine what's running on the different ports? 
> > I've solved
> > > this problem before but for the life of me, can't recall what I did.
> > > 
> > > This is a RH7.0 workstation build. Maybe I should have gone 
> > with debian?
> > > :)
> > > 
> > > Ron
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > > 
> > 
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home: 952-934-4851	fax: 952-937-9832

From chrome at real-time.com  Sun Jan  7 11:32:39 2001
From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:30 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] debian mirrors
Message-ID: <20010107113239.B3457@real-time.com>

what are people's preferred debian mirrors? 
I've been using ftp.mn-linux.org (since I have a 10base-T connection to
it.) but it did complain about not being able to get a package once (must
have been in the middle of updating, since i just got it a few moments ago
from there); so I'd like a decent alternative, just in case.

any good ones here in MN? (other than ftp.mn-linux.org, which appears as
gladiator.real-time.com on the debian mirrors list. woohoo!)
any good ones in chicago (since connectivity to there is pretty fast)?

Carl Soderstrom.
-- 
Network Engineer
Real-Time Enterprises
(952) 943-8700

From ben at nerp.net  Sun Jan  7 11:59:15 2001
From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:30 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] debian mirrors
In-Reply-To: <20010107113239.B3457@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0101071157590.32603-100000@chef>

if you're on the visi side of the planet, you can use nerp.net, I only
mirror main/contrib/non-free right now, for i386.
deb http://nerp.net/debian stable main contrib non-free

Thank You,
        Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net)

 "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends."

On Sun, 7 Jan 2001, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote:

> what are people's preferred debian mirrors?
> I've been using ftp.mn-linux.org (since I have a 10base-T connection to
> it.) but it did complain about not being able to get a package once (must
> have been in the middle of updating, since i just got it a few moments ago
> from there); so I'd like a decent alternative, just in case.
>
> any good ones here in MN? (other than ftp.mn-linux.org, which appears as
> gladiator.real-time.com on the debian mirrors list. woohoo!)
> any good ones in chicago (since connectivity to there is pretty fast)?
>
> Carl Soderstrom.
> --
> Network Engineer
> Real-Time Enterprises
> (952) 943-8700
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From tanner at real-time.com  Sun Jan  7 12:30:54 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:30 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] debian mirrors
In-Reply-To: <20010107113239.B3457@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Sun, Jan 07, 2001 at 11:32:39AM -0600
References: <20010107113239.B3457@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010107123054.A16198@real-time.com>

Quoting Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom (chrome@real-time.com):
> what are people's preferred debian mirrors? 
> I've been using ftp.mn-linux.org (since I have a 10base-T connection to
> it.) but it did complain about not being able to get a package once (must
> have been in the middle of updating, since i just got it a few moments ago
> from there); so I'd like a decent alternative, just in case.
> 
> any good ones here in MN? (other than ftp.mn-linux.org, which appears as
> gladiator.real-time.com on the debian mirrors list. woohoo!)
> any good ones in chicago (since connectivity to there is pretty fast)?

gladiator is getting pounded by the 2.4 kernel downloads.

Yes, I have not announced it yet, but are an official mirror for the kernels
now.

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From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu  Sun Jan  7 13:03:40 2001
From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:30 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] spellchecker for LaTeX docs?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0101052051220.5491-100000@desmodus.theasis.com>; from andy@theasis.com on Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 08:52:34PM -0600
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0101052051220.5491-100000@desmodus.theasis.com>
Message-ID: <20010107130339.A10747@baker.space.umn.edu>

On Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 08:52:34PM -0600, andy@theasis.com wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know of a spellchecker that already knows how to ignore all
> the various LaTeX markup thingies? Or will I have to make this a little
> perl project?
> 

Ispell does a pretty good job of ignoring tex stuff, though
it does "catch" some TeX.  Take a look at the man page
for details.  Ispell automatically goes in TeX mode if
the file suffix is .tex, or you can manually force
it into TeX mode with -t.

-- 
Jim Crumley                  |
crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |
Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378  |

From mauvehead at nerp.net  Sun Jan  7 13:30:03 2001
From: mauvehead at nerp.net (Nate Sanders)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:30 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Are you a 'For Dummies' with Computers?
References: <200101071557.HAA22672@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <3A58C3BB.FA03DF0A@nerp.net>

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
I think they need to focus on more money into their marketing
department.

Sales wrote:
> 
> Dear tclug-list@listserv.real-time.com,
> 
> Are you a 'for dummies' when it comes to computers and Want to learn?
> 
> Think you know alot about computers?
> 
> Then This CD-ROM is for YOU!!
> 
> The Complete PC Technician Users Guide!!

-- 
Nate Sanders                                    darkskull@IRC (newnet)
mauvehead@nerp.net                            http://www.damnation.net

From austad at marketwatch.com  Sun Jan  7 13:48:42 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:30 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Are you a 'For Dummies' with Computers?
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1091BB@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

Here's the person who sent the spam and their phone number.  I'm calling
them now to yell at them.  I think I'll call them again at like 4 am.  You
can also call them for free through net2phone and other internet phone
services.  

Hicks,Emily
2204 Florida Drive
Fort Wayne, IN 46805-4514 

219 471 0091 

 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nate Sanders [mailto:mauvehead@nerp.net]
> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 1:30 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Are you a 'For Dummies' with Computers?
> 
> 
> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
> I think they need to focus on more money into their marketing
> department.
> 
> Sales wrote:
> > 
> > Dear tclug-list@listserv.real-time.com,
> > 
> > Are you a 'for dummies' when it comes to computers and Want 
> to learn?
> > 
> > Think you know alot about computers?
> > 
> > Then This CD-ROM is for YOU!!
> > 
> > The Complete PC Technician Users Guide!!
> 
> -- 
> Nate Sanders                                    darkskull@IRC (newnet)
> mauvehead@nerp.net                            http://www.damnation.net
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

From austad at marketwatch.com  Sun Jan  7 14:05:08 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:30 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Are you a 'For Dummies' with Computers?
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1091BC@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

Awww, their answering machine seems to be full.  They're either not home, or
others figured out their phone number.  Maybe a call at 4 am would be
better.

I read a document awhile back about taking action and spamming the spammers
back by filling email boxes, fax machines, and answering machines and
bugging them all hours of the night.  I don't remember where the document
was though, I think someone posted it to the list a couple of weeks ago.  If
companies only get bogus information and useless crap, it's not even going
to be worth it to wade through all the crap to find legitimate orders and
eventually they'll consider spam a waste and stop.

In any case, you can send free faxes from zipfax.com.  Usually, I just paste
the text of the spam into it a few hundred times and hit send.  

There's a Mixmaster anonymous remailer interface at
http://www.gilc.org/speech/anonymous/remailer.html also.  This one is a good
one to use to fill their box full of crap.  If they have a form on their
webpage, fill it out with seemingly good info, but make the phone number the
number to an FBI office, FTC, or a police station.  I really really really
hate spammers.  I guess I have too much time on my hands too.  :)



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Austad, Jay 
> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 1:49 PM
> To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'
> Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Are you a 'For Dummies' with Computers?
> 
> 
> Here's the person who sent the spam and their phone number.  
> I'm calling
> them now to yell at them.  I think I'll call them again at 
> like 4 am.  You
> can also call them for free through net2phone and other internet phone
> services.  
> 
> Hicks,Emily
> 2204 Florida Drive
> Fort Wayne, IN 46805-4514 
> 
> 219 471 0091 
> 
>  
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Nate Sanders [mailto:mauvehead@nerp.net]
> > Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 1:30 PM
> > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Are you a 'For Dummies' with Computers?
> > 
> > 
> > HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
> > I think they need to focus on more money into their marketing
> > department.
> > 
> > Sales wrote:
> > > 
> > > Dear tclug-list@listserv.real-time.com,
> > > 
> > > Are you a 'for dummies' when it comes to computers and Want 
> > to learn?
> > > 
> > > Think you know alot about computers?
> > > 
> > > Then This CD-ROM is for YOU!!
> > > 
> > > The Complete PC Technician Users Guide!!
> > 
> > -- 
> > Nate Sanders                                    
> darkskull@IRC (newnet)
> > mauvehead@nerp.net                            
http://www.damnation.net
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
_______________________________________________
tclug-list mailing list
tclug-list@mn-linux.org
https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

From ben at nerp.net  Sun Jan  7 14:14:10 2001
From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:30 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Are you a 'For Dummies' with Computers?
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1091BC@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0101071411210.1080-100000@chef>

hahaha.. sounds like a web page my roomie found on "having fun with
telemarkers"  you could rack up points based on how many min you had them
on the phone, how many times you changed the topic of conversation, how
many levels of managers you could get to.  I remeber one time when USWest
called trying to sell us their free internet connection kit.. we got up
through 3 managers, had them get us pricing on T1's and DS3's (to our
apartment) and had them going for over half an hour.. eventualy coming to
"do you want the free internet kit or not"   "no *click*"

Thank You,
        Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net)

 "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends."

On Sun, 7 Jan 2001, Austad, Jay wrote:

> Awww, their answering machine seems to be full.  They're either not home, or
> others figured out their phone number.  Maybe a call at 4 am would be
> better.
>
> I read a document awhile back about taking action and spamming the spammers
> back by filling email boxes, fax machines, and answering machines and
> bugging them all hours of the night.  I don't remember where the document
> was though, I think someone posted it to the list a couple of weeks ago.  If
> companies only get bogus information and useless crap, it's not even going
> to be worth it to wade through all the crap to find legitimate orders and
> eventually they'll consider spam a waste and stop.
>
> In any case, you can send free faxes from zipfax.com.  Usually, I just paste
> the text of the spam into it a few hundred times and hit send.
>
> There's a Mixmaster anonymous remailer interface at
> http://www.gilc.org/speech/anonymous/remailer.html also.  This one is a good
> one to use to fill their box full of crap.  If they have a form on their
> webpage, fill it out with seemingly good info, but make the phone number the
> number to an FBI office, FTC, or a police station.  I really really really
> hate spammers.  I guess I have too much time on my hands too.  :)
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Austad, Jay
> > Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 1:49 PM
> > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'
> > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Are you a 'For Dummies' with Computers?
> >
> >
> > Here's the person who sent the spam and their phone number.
> > I'm calling
> > them now to yell at them.  I think I'll call them again at
> > like 4 am.  You
> > can also call them for free through net2phone and other internet phone
> > services.
> >
> > Hicks,Emily
> > 2204 Florida Drive
> > Fort Wayne, IN 46805-4514
> >
> > 219 471 0091
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Nate Sanders [mailto:mauvehead@nerp.net]
> > > Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 1:30 PM
> > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Are you a 'For Dummies' with Computers?
> > >
> > >
> > > HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
> > > I think they need to focus on more money into their marketing
> > > department.
> > >
> > > Sales wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dear tclug-list@listserv.real-time.com,
> > > >
> > > > Are you a 'for dummies' when it comes to computers and Want
> > > to learn?
> > > >
> > > > Think you know alot about computers?
> > > >
> > > > Then This CD-ROM is for YOU!!
> > > >
> > > > The Complete PC Technician Users Guide!!
> > >
> > > --
> > > Nate Sanders
> > darkskull@IRC (newnet)
> > > mauvehead@nerp.net
> http://www.damnation.net
> > _______________________________________________
> > tclug-list mailing list
> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


From mpaulsen at charter.net  Sun Jan  7 14:23:16 2001
From: mpaulsen at charter.net (Mike Paulsen)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:30 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Are you a 'For Dummies' with Computers?
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1091BB@mspexch1.office.mkt
 w.net>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010107141026.01fa29f0@mail.charter.net>

At 01:48 PM 1/7/01 -0600, you wrote:
>Here's the person who sent the spam and their phone number.  I'm calling
>them now to yell at them.  I think I'll call them again at like 4 am.  You
>can also call them for free through net2phone and other internet phone
>services.
>
>Hicks,Emily
>2204 Florida Drive
>Fort Wayne, IN 46805-4514
>
>219 471 0091


If you're interested in reporting the spam, here's a suggested list of 
addresses and text:

abuse@uu.net, abuse@earthlink.net, abuse@cyspot.com, abuse@lycos.com, 
service@ccnow.com, abuse@ccnow.com

Abuse report - spam.

Please terminate:

http://techtools.allhere.com
http://pctech.url4life.com
http://www.angelfire.com/tx4/bizness/start.htm

<FORM METHOD=POST ACTION="http://www.ccnow.com/cgi-local/cart.cgi">
<INPUT TYPE="hidden" NAME="client_id" VALUE="ideashop03">
<INPUT TYPE="hidden" NAME="continue_shop_addr" VALUE="">
<INPUT TYPE="hidden" NAME="aucflag" VALUE="0">

01/07/01 10:58:42 Browsing http://techtools.allhere.com
Fetching http://techtools.allhere.com/ ...
GET / HTTP/1.1
Host: techtools.allhere.com
Connection: close
User-Agent: Sam Spade 1.14
HTTP/1.0 200 OK
Connection: close
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 16:59:49 GMT
Server: Apache/1.3.12 (Unix)  (Red Hat/Linux) PHP/4.0.3pl1 mod_perl/1.21
X-Powered-By: PHP/4.0.3pl1
Content-Type: text/html



<HEAD>
<TITLE>PC Tech CD Must Have!!</TITLE>
<META NAME="description" content="">
<META NAME="keywords" content="CD">
</HEAD>
<FRAMESET ROWS="65,*" FRAMEBORDER="0" FRAMESPACING="0" BORDER="0">
    <FRAME 
SRC="http://www.smartredirect.com/frame.php?bgcolor=FFFFFF"  NAME="top" 
NORESIZE scrolling="no" marginheight="0">
    <FRAME SRC="http://www.angelfire.com/tx4/bizness/start.htm" 
NAME="display" NORESIZE>
</FRAMESET>
<NOFRAMES>
<CENTER><A HREF="http://www.angelfire.com/tx4/bizness/start.htm">PC Tech CD 
Must Have!!</A></CENTER>
</NOFRAMES>
</HTML>

Souce code on angelfire page shows:

         <h1><font color="#ff0000" size="5" face="Arial">NEW! REVISED!! 
&amp; EXPANDED!!!</font></h1>

         <p><A 
HREF="http://www.ccnow.com/cgi-local/cart.cgi?ideashop03_PCTECH_continue-page"><img 
src="http://browseme.tripod.com/ordernow.gif" border=0></a>  </p>

         <font SIZE="4" COLOR="#0000ff"><strong>

         <h2><font face="Arial">Every PC technicians knows you can never 
have enough software and

CCNOW source shows:

<FORM METHOD=POST ACTION="http://www.ccnow.com/cgi-local/cart.cgi">
<INPUT TYPE="hidden" NAME="client_id" VALUE="ideashop03">
<INPUT TYPE="hidden" NAME="continue_shop_addr" VALUE="">
<INPUT TYPE="hidden" NAME="aucflag" VALUE="0">



From austad at marketwatch.com  Sun Jan  7 14:24:45 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:30 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Are you a 'For Dummies' with Computers?
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1091BD@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

Another good thing to do, is find out the name of the spammer, and call the
IRS and report them for having income that they don't report.  Nearly all
spammers who sell CD's or crap from their home don't report that income.
Leads to a nice hefty fine at the end of the year and they get audited.  :)

I just reported this one.  :)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ben Kochie [mailto:ben@nerp.net]
> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 2:14 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Are you a 'For Dummies' with Computers?
> 
> 
> hahaha.. sounds like a web page my roomie found on "having fun with
> telemarkers"  you could rack up points based on how many min 
> you had them
> on the phone, how many times you changed the topic of 
> conversation, how
> many levels of managers you could get to.  I remeber one time 
> when USWest
> called trying to sell us their free internet connection kit.. 
> we got up
> through 3 managers, had them get us pricing on T1's and DS3's (to our
> apartment) and had them going for over half an hour.. 
> eventualy coming to
> "do you want the free internet kit or not"   "no *click*"
> 
> Thank You,
>         Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net)
> 
>  "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends."
> 
> On Sun, 7 Jan 2001, Austad, Jay wrote:
> 
> > Awww, their answering machine seems to be full.  They're 
> either not home, or
> > others figured out their phone number.  Maybe a call at 4 
> am would be
> > better.
> >
> > I read a document awhile back about taking action and 
> spamming the spammers
> > back by filling email boxes, fax machines, and answering 
> machines and
> > bugging them all hours of the night.  I don't remember 
> where the document
> > was though, I think someone posted it to the list a couple 
> of weeks ago.  If
> > companies only get bogus information and useless crap, it's 
> not even going
> > to be worth it to wade through all the crap to find 
> legitimate orders and
> > eventually they'll consider spam a waste and stop.
> >
> > In any case, you can send free faxes from zipfax.com.  
> Usually, I just paste
> > the text of the spam into it a few hundred times and hit send.
> >
> > There's a Mixmaster anonymous remailer interface at
> > http://www.gilc.org/speech/anonymous/remailer.html also.  
> This one is a good
> > one to use to fill their box full of crap.  If they have a 
> form on their
> > webpage, fill it out with seemingly good info, but make the 
> phone number the
> > number to an FBI office, FTC, or a police station.  I 
> really really really
> > hate spammers.  I guess I have too much time on my hands too.  :)
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Austad, Jay
> > > Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 1:49 PM
> > > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'
> > > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Are you a 'For Dummies' with Computers?
> > >
> > >
> > > Here's the person who sent the spam and their phone number.
> > > I'm calling
> > > them now to yell at them.  I think I'll call them again at
> > > like 4 am.  You
> > > can also call them for free through net2phone and other 
> internet phone
> > > services.
> > >
> > > Hicks,Emily
> > > 2204 Florida Drive
> > > Fort Wayne, IN 46805-4514
> > >
> > > 219 471 0091
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Nate Sanders [mailto:mauvehead@nerp.net]
> > > > Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 1:30 PM
> > > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Are you a 'For Dummies' with Computers?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
> > > > I think they need to focus on more money into their marketing
> > > > department.
> > > >
> > > > Sales wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear tclug-list@listserv.real-time.com,
> > > > >
> > > > > Are you a 'for dummies' when it comes to computers and Want
> > > > to learn?
> > > > >
> > > > > Think you know alot about computers?
> > > > >
> > > > > Then This CD-ROM is for YOU!!
> > > > >
> > > > > The Complete PC Technician Users Guide!!
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Nate Sanders
> > > darkskull@IRC (newnet)
> > > > mauvehead@nerp.net
> > http://www.damnation.net
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > tclug-list mailing list
> > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > tclug-list mailing list
> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > _______________________________________________
> > tclug-list mailing list
> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> 
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

From austad at marketwatch.com  Sun Jan  7 14:32:59 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:31 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Are you a 'For Dummies' with Computers?
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1091BE@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

I already reported to earthlink, ccnow, and allhere.  It's not often that
you get a spammer dumb enough to put their home address in the spam.
anywho.com makes a nice search engine to find out who it belongs to.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Paulsen [mailto:mpaulsen@charter.net]
> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 2:23 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Are you a 'For Dummies' with Computers?
> 
> 
> At 01:48 PM 1/7/01 -0600, you wrote:
> >Here's the person who sent the spam and their phone number.  
> I'm calling
> >them now to yell at them.  I think I'll call them again at 
> like 4 am.  You
> >can also call them for free through net2phone and other 
> internet phone
> >services.
> >
> >Hicks,Emily
> >2204 Florida Drive
> >Fort Wayne, IN 46805-4514
> >
> >219 471 0091
> 
> 
> If you're interested in reporting the spam, here's a 
> suggested list of 
> addresses and text:
> 
> abuse@uu.net, abuse@earthlink.net, abuse@cyspot.com, abuse@lycos.com, 
> service@ccnow.com, abuse@ccnow.com
> 
> Abuse report - spam.
> 
> Please terminate:
> 
> http://techtools.allhere.com
> http://pctech.url4life.com
> http://www.angelfire.com/tx4/bizness/start.htm
> 
> <FORM METHOD=POST ACTION="http://www.ccnow.com/cgi-local/cart.cgi">
> <INPUT TYPE="hidden" NAME="client_id" VALUE="ideashop03">
> <INPUT TYPE="hidden" NAME="continue_shop_addr" VALUE="">
> <INPUT TYPE="hidden" NAME="aucflag" VALUE="0">
> 
> 01/07/01 10:58:42 Browsing http://techtools.allhere.com
> Fetching http://techtools.allhere.com/ ...
> GET / HTTP/1.1
> Host: techtools.allhere.com
> Connection: close
> User-Agent: Sam Spade 1.14
> HTTP/1.0 200 OK
> Connection: close
> Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 16:59:49 GMT
> Server: Apache/1.3.12 (Unix)  (Red Hat/Linux) PHP/4.0.3pl1 
> mod_perl/1.21
> X-Powered-By: PHP/4.0.3pl1
> Content-Type: text/html
> 
> 
> 
> <HEAD>
> <TITLE>PC Tech CD Must Have!!</TITLE>
> <META NAME="description" content="">
> <META NAME="keywords" content="CD">
> </HEAD>
> <FRAMESET ROWS="65,*" FRAMEBORDER="0" FRAMESPACING="0" BORDER="0">
>     <FRAME 
> SRC="http://www.smartredirect.com/frame.php?bgcolor=FFFFFF"  
> NAME="top" 
> NORESIZE scrolling="no" marginheight="0">
>     <FRAME SRC="http://www.angelfire.com/tx4/bizness/start.htm" 
> NAME="display" NORESIZE>
> </FRAMESET>
> <NOFRAMES>
> <CENTER><A 
> HREF="http://www.angelfire.com/tx4/bizness/start.htm">PC Tech CD 
> Must Have!!</A></CENTER>
> </NOFRAMES>
> </HTML>
> 
> Souce code on angelfire page shows:
> 
>          <h1><font color="#ff0000" size="5" face="Arial">NEW! 
> REVISED!! 
> &amp; EXPANDED!!!</font></h1>
> 
>          <p><A 
> HREF="http://www.ccnow.com/cgi-local/cart.cgi?ideashop03_PCTEC
> H_continue-page"><img 
> src="http://browseme.tripod.com/ordernow.gif" border=0></a>  </p>
> 
>          <font SIZE="4" COLOR="#0000ff"><strong>
> 
>          <h2><font face="Arial">Every PC technicians knows 
> you can never 
> have enough software and
> 
> CCNOW source shows:
> 
> <FORM METHOD=POST ACTION="http://www.ccnow.com/cgi-local/cart.cgi">
> <INPUT TYPE="hidden" NAME="client_id" VALUE="ideashop03">
> <INPUT TYPE="hidden" NAME="continue_shop_addr" VALUE="">
> <INPUT TYPE="hidden" NAME="aucflag" VALUE="0">
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

From blutgens at sistina.com  Sun Jan  7 18:34:25 2001
From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:31 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] debian mirrors
In-Reply-To: <20010107123054.A16198@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Sun, Jan 07, 2001 at 12:30:54PM -0600
References: <20010107113239.B3457@real-time.com> <20010107123054.A16198@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010107183425.A1209@minime.sistina.com>

On Sun, Jan 07, 2001 at 12:30:54PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote:
>
>gladiator is getting pounded by the 2.4 kernel downloads.
>
>Yes, I have not announced it yet, but are an official mirror for the kernels
>now.
>
Noted. (Rushes off to s/zeus.kernel.org/ftp.mn-linux.com .ncftp/bookmarks)

Thanks Bob. You're the man.
-- 
Ben Lutgens		cell: 612.670.4789
Sistina Software Inc.	work: 612.379.5941
Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator)
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From lerwick at tcfreenet.org  Mon Jan  8 04:21:39 2001
From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:31 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Need Ethernet card for Mac Performa 630
Message-ID: <3A5994B3.AA4CA135@tcfreenet.org>

I'm looking for a NIC for a Performa 630, thats Linux-mac68k compatable.
Anyone got one lying around or know a local source for cheap? It takes
an LC style PDS card thing...

From psp at printwareinc.com  Mon Jan  8 08:32:33 2001
From: psp at printwareinc.com (Phil Plumbo)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:31 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Qwasted, Qwersted
Message-ID: <20010108143228918.AAA381@SUMO.printwareinc.com>

Despite several router reboots and closely following Veldy's suggested
steps, I still can't get my Cisco 675 to retrain at 640K down. It won't
budge from 256K down/272 up/134baud.

Posted a note to dslreports describing the problem and got a reply back from
a Qwest DSL installer who said the problem wasn't a "cap" on the line at the
CO; he said I should "tell tech support to get Enterprise to re-translate
your line".  Does anyone know what he's talking about? The tech support guys
I talked with yesterday had never heard of Enterprise, of course.

Phil Plumbo
stuck at 256K

At 11:59 AM 1/4/01 -0600, you wrote:
>It is because your baud is not changing.  Reboot the router and then try
>changing it again.  Reboot a second time before you check.  The damn 675 is
>tempermental when it comes to changing settings like this.  Make sure you
>write the changes to nvram before the reboot.  Follow the directions I sent
>exactly and see if it does not work.  I had a similar problem in the past
>when I used USWest, and that fixed it.  The reboot was necessary to get the
>changes to actually stick.
>
>Tom Veldhouse
>veldy@veldy.net


From JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com  Mon Jan  8 08:45:58 2001
From: JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com (Miller, John)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:31 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Vgetty respawing too fast
Message-ID: <C8E57CE8F221D411A24600A0C99D90FD02A5058E@mail2.ROG.COM>

I am trying to get vgetty and sendfax running on my RH7 machine.  I put the 
following entry in my inttab file: vg:345:respawn:/sbin/vgetty ttyS3.  I 
reboot and start getting the following error: INIT: Id "vg" respawning too 
fast: disabled for 5 minutes.  I am not sure what this means other than
vgetty is trying to start  but can't.

What is the matter and what would be the best way to fix it.  Might it have
something to do with the lock put on the device LCK..ttyS3 and/or the lock
(pid) put out by the program.

TIA

John Miller
Dain Rauscher Inc.
Application Services
IS Capital Markets
Phone 612-547-7573
Fax 612-547-7580


From andy at theasis.com  Mon Jan  8 08:56:28 2001
From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:31 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Vgetty respawing too fast
In-Reply-To: <C8E57CE8F221D411A24600A0C99D90FD02A5058E@mail2.ROG.COM>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0101080855580.5491-100000@desmodus.theasis.com>


http://x53.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=699208724&CONTEXT=978965704.1013907550&hitnum=0

Andy

On Mon, 8 Jan 2001, Miller, John wrote:

> I am trying to get vgetty and sendfax running on my RH7 machine.  I put the 
> following entry in my inttab file: vg:345:respawn:/sbin/vgetty ttyS3.  I 
> reboot and start getting the following error: INIT: Id "vg" respawning too 
> fast: disabled for 5 minutes.  I am not sure what this means other than
> vgetty is trying to start  but can't.


> TIA
> 
> John Miller


From foeclan at winternet.com  Mon Jan  8 09:27:47 2001
From: foeclan at winternet.com (Michael Vieths)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:31 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Qwasted, Qwersted
In-Reply-To: <20010108143228918.AAA381@SUMO.printwareinc.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10101080923300.29329-100000@parka.winternet.com>

On Mon, 8 Jan 2001, Phil Plumbo wrote:

> a Qwest DSL installer who said the problem wasn't a "cap" on the line at the
> CO; he said I should "tell tech support to get Enterprise to re-translate
> your line".  Does anyone know what he's talking about? The tech support guys
> I talked with yesterday had never heard of Enterprise, of course.
> 
> Phil Plumbo
> stuck at 256K

(assuming it wasn't sarcasm)

Enterprise = USWest Interprise, the net side of USWest's operations.  Now
folded into Qwest.  Afraid I don't have much more data than that as to
how their tech support operations are organized. My contact there got
downsized during the reorganization.

Michael Vieths
Foeclan@Winternet.Com


From kent at structural-wood.com  Mon Jan  8 10:23:55 2001
From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:31 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] XFree86 4.02 and Voodoo 3000
References: <20010108143228918.AAA381@SUMO.printwareinc.com>
Message-ID: <3A59E99B.84170839@structural-wood.com>

Well, since my system has been working perfectly for far too long, I needed
to break something, so I decided to install XFree86 4.02.

I did the source compile thing (make World, make install).  did the Xfree86 -configure,
pasted in some modelines from my old XF86Config file, exited my X-session and started
things up, and *poof*, I was running 4.02.   I ran problem free till last night when
I tried Heavy Gear II, which just died.  

After massive searches through the net with minimal results, I ran across a directive to put
in my XFree86 hosts.def file that stated I have glide.  I remade 4.02 and then heavy gear
would run, but terminally slowly (It takes forever to come up, and then every motion on
the screen takes several seconds to render).

Running glxinfo says that I have a gl system, although it reports rendering as 'indirect'
which seems wrong.

Does anybody have a working XFree86 4.xx with a Voodoo 3 (or Banshee?) and GL?

Anybody know of any definitive links? Any advice????

Thanks,
Kent

From austad at marketwatch.com  Mon Jan  8 13:39:05 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:31 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] XFree86 4.02 and Voodoo 3000
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1091D1@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

Are you loading the DRI module?  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kent Schumacher [mailto:kent@structural-wood.com]
> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 10:24 AM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: [TCLUG] XFree86 4.02 and Voodoo 3000
> 
> 
> Well, since my system has been working perfectly for far too 
> long, I needed
> to break something, so I decided to install XFree86 4.02.
> 
> I did the source compile thing (make World, make install).  
> did the Xfree86 -configure,
> pasted in some modelines from my old XF86Config file, exited 
> my X-session and started
> things up, and *poof*, I was running 4.02.   I ran problem 
> free till last night when
> I tried Heavy Gear II, which just died.  
> 
> After massive searches through the net with minimal results, 
> I ran across a directive to put
> in my XFree86 hosts.def file that stated I have glide.  I 
> remade 4.02 and then heavy gear
> would run, but terminally slowly (It takes forever to come 
> up, and then every motion on
> the screen takes several seconds to render).
> 
> Running glxinfo says that I have a gl system, although it 
> reports rendering as 'indirect'
> which seems wrong.
> 
> Does anybody have a working XFree86 4.xx with a Voodoo 3 (or 
> Banshee?) and GL?
> 
> Anybody know of any definitive links? Any advice????
> 
> Thanks,
> Kent
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

From kent at structural-wood.com  Mon Jan  8 14:46:01 2001
From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:31 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] XFree86 4.02 and Voodoo 3000
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1091D1@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <3A5A2709.DC7DA7AE@structural-wood.com>

xdpyinfo shows the glx and dri modules being loaded.

Thanks,
Kent


"Austad, Jay" wrote:
> 
> Are you loading the DRI module?
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kent Schumacher [mailto:kent@structural-wood.com]
> > Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 10:24 AM
> > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > Subject: [TCLUG] XFree86 4.02 and Voodoo 3000
> >
> >
> > Well, since my system has been working perfectly for far too
> > long, I needed
> > to break something, so I decided to install XFree86 4.02.
> >
> > I did the source compile thing (make World, make install).
> > did the Xfree86 -configure,
> > pasted in some modelines from my old XF86Config file, exited
> > my X-session and started
> > things up, and *poof*, I was running 4.02.   I ran problem
> > free till last night when
> > I tried Heavy Gear II, which just died.
> >
> > After massive searches through the net with minimal results,
> > I ran across a directive to put
> > in my XFree86 hosts.def file that stated I have glide.  I
> > remade 4.02 and then heavy gear
> > would run, but terminally slowly (It takes forever to come
> > up, and then every motion on
> > the screen takes several seconds to render).
> >
> > Running glxinfo says that I have a gl system, although it
> > reports rendering as 'indirect'
> > which seems wrong.
> >
> > Does anybody have a working XFree86 4.xx with a Voodoo 3 (or
> > Banshee?) and GL?
> >
> > Anybody know of any definitive links? Any advice????
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Kent
> > _______________________________________________
> > tclug-list mailing list
> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

-- 
Kent Schumacher

Structural Wood Corporation
4000 Labore Rd.
St. Paul, MN 55110

Phone: (651) 426-8111
Fax: (651) 426-6859
e-mail: kent@structural-wood.com

From austad at marketwatch.com  Mon Jan  8 15:23:11 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:31 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] XFree86 4.02 and Voodoo 3000
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1091D6@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

How about GLcore?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kent Schumacher [mailto:kent@structural-wood.com]
> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 2:46 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] XFree86 4.02 and Voodoo 3000
> 
> 
> xdpyinfo shows the glx and dri modules being loaded.
> 
> Thanks,
> Kent
> 
> 
> "Austad, Jay" wrote:
> > 
> > Are you loading the DRI module?
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Kent Schumacher [mailto:kent@structural-wood.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 10:24 AM
> > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > > Subject: [TCLUG] XFree86 4.02 and Voodoo 3000
> > >
> > >
> > > Well, since my system has been working perfectly for far too
> > > long, I needed
> > > to break something, so I decided to install XFree86 4.02.
> > >
> > > I did the source compile thing (make World, make install).
> > > did the Xfree86 -configure,
> > > pasted in some modelines from my old XF86Config file, exited
> > > my X-session and started
> > > things up, and *poof*, I was running 4.02.   I ran problem
> > > free till last night when
> > > I tried Heavy Gear II, which just died.
> > >
> > > After massive searches through the net with minimal results,
> > > I ran across a directive to put
> > > in my XFree86 hosts.def file that stated I have glide.  I
> > > remade 4.02 and then heavy gear
> > > would run, but terminally slowly (It takes forever to come
> > > up, and then every motion on
> > > the screen takes several seconds to render).
> > >
> > > Running glxinfo says that I have a gl system, although it
> > > reports rendering as 'indirect'
> > > which seems wrong.
> > >
> > > Does anybody have a working XFree86 4.xx with a Voodoo 3 (or
> > > Banshee?) and GL?
> > >
> > > Anybody know of any definitive links? Any advice????
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Kent
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > tclug-list mailing list
> > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > tclug-list mailing list
> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
> -- 
> Kent Schumacher
> 
> Structural Wood Corporation
> 4000 Labore Rd.
> St. Paul, MN 55110
> 
> Phone: (651) 426-8111
> Fax: (651) 426-6859
> e-mail: kent@structural-wood.com
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

From email at datasint.com  Mon Jan  8 15:29:58 2001
From: email at datasint.com (Roger W Jacques)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:31 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Schoolwide Database
Message-ID: <v04020a28b67fe1ce82ca@[192.168.0.2]>

Dear Sir or Madam,

I'd like to take a moment of your time to introduce you to Schoolwide Database. SWD offers affordable and flexible site based information management for schools. SWD's feature are too numerous to detail here, I'll give just a few highlights and invite you to download our free demo.

Highlights of features -
- Easily customizable
- Cross platform (Mac and Windows)
- Integrated Report Manger
- Online Help
- SWD Tools (easy administration)
- Built with FileMaker Pro 
- Modular design brings each department the data and features they need

Modules -
-Admissions
-Human Resources
-Elementary School
-Elementary Grades (teachers enter grades online)
-Middle School (including scheduling)
-Middle School Grades (teachers enter grades online)
-After School Activities
-Health
-Transportation

If you are interested in learning more about SWD, please visit our website and download our demo:

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SWD is available for a one time 'no hassle' license fee of $7000 (USD). The license provides your school with the master passwords allowing you to customize SWD to whatever extent you wish. We also offer modular licensing, please contact us for details.

If you have questions about our products and services, please feel free to contact us at sales@datasint.com, or (415) 332-5044.

Sincerely,

Roger W Jacques
President - Database Systems International

From jeffr at odeon.net  Mon Jan  8 12:24:24 2001
From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:31 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Question about Redhat 6.2
In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20010107141026.01fa29f0@mail.charter.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0101081214550.749-100000@odeon.net>

Greetings,

I've got a system that lost power today.  When power was restored and the
system was powered back on it started to boot, and I expected to see the
fsck, and if there were no serious errors I was expecting the system to
boot.  Fsck ran, didn't find any serious errors, but the system wouldn't
boot.  It turns out that the root file system was being mounted as
read-only.  This was preventing the services from being able to create
their lock files, which was keeping the system from booting.

I restarted the system in single user mode, checked the filesystem again
(which didn't find any errors), verified /etc/fstab, and rebooted the
system.  Same thing, the root file system is being mounted read-only.

After rebooting one more time I specified "root=/dev/sda1 rw" at boot. 
The system now booted, but didn't mount any of the other drives.  I have
now manually mounted the other file systems, the required services are now
running, and the machine is up.  However, upon reboot it will mount the
root file system as read-only unless explicitely told otherwise on boot
(I've tested this, there were actually a few more reboots than what I
outlined above).

Any ideas?

Jeff


From blutgens at sistina.com  Mon Jan  8 17:34:20 2001
From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:32 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Question about Redhat 6.2
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0101081214550.749-100000@odeon.net>; from jeffr@odeon.net on Mon, Jan 08, 2001 at 12:24:24PM -0600
References: <5.0.0.25.2.20010107141026.01fa29f0@mail.charter.net> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0101081214550.749-100000@odeon.net>
Message-ID: <20010108173420.A3428@minime.sistina.com>

On Mon, Jan 08, 2001 at 12:24:24PM -0600, jeffr@odeon.net wrote:
>
>Greetings,
>(I've tested this, there were actually a few more reboots than what I
>outlined above).
>
yes, the next time it mounts read-only. manually run a fsck. chances are the
fs has errors and thus is mounting RO. once that's done, do a "mount -o
remount,rw /" and reboot and it _should_ be good.

If not, your drive may  be hosed and need to be replaced. 
-- 
Ben Lutgens		cell: 612.670.4789
Sistina Software Inc.	work: 612.379.5941
Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator)
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From kbullock at ringworld.org  Mon Jan  8 17:35:29 2001
From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin R. Bullock)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:32 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Question about Redhat 6.2
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0101081214550.749-100000@odeon.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10101081733050.852-100000@destiny.ringworld.org>

On Mon, 8 Jan 2001 jeffr@odeon.net wrote:

> I've got a system that lost power today.  When power was restored and the
> system was powered back on it started to boot, and I expected to see the
> fsck, and if there were no serious errors I was expecting the system to
> boot.  Fsck ran, didn't find any serious errors, but the system wouldn't
> boot.  It turns out that the root file system was being mounted as
> read-only.  This was preventing the services from being able to create
> their lock files, which was keeping the system from booting.

It's typical for the root filesystem to be mounted read-only on boot;
it's then re-mounted read-write after the fsck is completed. I can't
think of any reason why it would fail to do that, but that's what you
would need to look for.

Not sure if that helps at all, but it's something. :)

Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa
Kevin R. Bullock


From Brian.Broekema at westgroup.com  Mon Jan  8 18:59:52 2001
From: Brian.Broekema at westgroup.com (Broekema, Brian)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:32 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Shell and IBM to Build World's Largest Linux Supercomputer
Message-ID: <A71CEF04CBB1D41196030006298F1F1D0D6041@eg-msgmbx-a02.int.westgroup.com>

I haven't followed the list very close lately so I don't know if this has
been posted but it is interesting. 

http://www.ibm.com/Press/prnews.nsf/jan/392EE1B6CD128917852569B3005516DA
<http://www.ibm.com/Press/prnews.nsf/jan/392EE1B6CD128917852569B3005516DA> 


From eric at urbanrage.com  Mon Jan  8 19:50:33 2001
From: eric at urbanrage.com (eric)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:32 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Question about Redhat 6.2
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0101081214550.749-100000@odeon.net>
Message-ID: <3A5A6E68.2C9A13D7@urbanrage.com>

jeffr@odeon.net wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> I've got a system that lost power today.  When power was restored and the
> system was powered back on it started to boot, and I expected to see the
> fsck, and if there were no serious errors I was expecting the system to
> boot.  Fsck ran, didn't find any serious errors, but the system wouldn't
> boot.  It turns out that the root file system was being mounted as
> read-only.  This was preventing the services from being able to create
> their lock files, which was keeping the system from booting.
>
> I restarted the system in single user mode, checked the filesystem again
> (which didn't find any errors), verified /etc/fstab, and rebooted the
> system.  Same thing, the root file system is being mounted read-only.
>
> After rebooting one more time I specified "root=/dev/sda1 rw" at boot.
> The system now booted, but didn't mount any of the other drives.  I have
> now manually mounted the other file systems, the required services are now
> running, and the machine is up.  However, upon reboot it will mount the
> root file system as read-only unless explicitely told otherwise on boot
> (I've tested this, there were actually a few more reboots than what I
> outlined above).
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Jeff
>
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

Check your /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit script for damage.  The system is normally
mounted read-only for the fsck and then in the rc.sysinit script it is
remounted read-write.  It then loads some modules and the rest of the local
filesystems.  If this file is bad your system could exhibit the symptoms you
are speaking of...

Eric
 eric@urbanrage.com
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From wilson at visi.com  Mon Jan  8 20:13:23 2001
From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:32 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Mozilla won't let Navigator start
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0101082009410.13407-100000@isis.visi.com>

Hi everyone,

I've got Mozilla M18 installed on my Debian system and now it won't let me
start plain ol' Navigator. Whenver I choose Navigator from a menu to type
'netscape' in an xterm, Mozilla fires up. What's up?

-Tim

--
Tim Wilson      | Visit Sibley online:         | Check out:
Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/
W. St. Paul, MN |                              | http://slashdot.org/
wilson@visi.com |   <dtml-var pithy_quote>     | http://linux.com/


From drew at usfamily.net  Mon Jan  8 20:57:08 2001
From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:32 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT (sorta): Sun disk arrays
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1091AD@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <008a01c079e7$dbeca820$7c8be23f@gateway>

The Sun Fiver channel disk array is platform independent that was the entire
idea of creating Fibre Channel. I know this because I work for a Company
that makes Fibre channel switches and I use all kinds of mass storage
equiptment to preform performance testing.

____________________________________________________
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----- Original Message -----
From: Austad, Jay <austad@marketwatch.com>
To: TCLUG <tclug-list@lists.real-time.com>
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 11:24 PM
Subject: [TCLUG] OT (sorta): Sun disk arrays


> No one I ask really seems to know the answer to this question.  I need to
> purchase another Sun A5100 Fiber Channel disk array to add some capacity
to
> a Sun system that we may not have much longer.  I NEED the space, but
since
> we may not be using it for much longer, I need to find a way to repurpose
it
> before I purchase it.  Unfortunately, a half terabyte company MP3 server
> would not be looked very highly upon by the penny pinchers.
>
> So, does anyone know if I can use the array with a Windows 2000 database
> server?  Does the A5100 have it's own built in RAID controller, or is that
> handled with the Fiber Channel card?  If it will work, and perform well
> enough for a huge database under Win2k, I can pass this off and use it for
> as long as I need it, and then give it to another department when I'm
done.
>
> If you don't know, can you tell me who I might contact to find this out?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jay
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> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
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From dkleist at acm.org  Mon Jan  8 21:02:33 2001
From: dkleist at acm.org (Dave Kleist)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:32 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Building a firewall - 2 NICs
Message-ID: <01C079B6.54790540.dkleist@acm.org>

Quick question:

Something in my feeble brain seems to remember reading something about 
using two identical NIC cards in a box makes it more difficult to set up a 
firewall.  Is this right or am I just mishmashing stuff in my brain?

As an aside, the box is a 486, and I'll be picking up two ISA NIC cards, 
retail -- not my money, my employers-- probably the Dlink DE220 PCT cards 
since I don't think I saw any others on the shelf.  I'm also going to take 
a stab at installing Debian though it does not look like the net install 
will be that bad, probably have more problems with creating the floppies 
than anything else.

Thanks for any help,

    - Dave

Dave Kleist
dkleist@acm.org
"The covers of this book are too far apart."  - Ambrose Bierce


From austad at marketwatch.com  Mon Jan  8 21:52:24 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:32 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT (sorta): Sun disk arrays
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1091E1@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

So, is the raid controller typically contained in the array, or in the fibre
channel card?


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Nemchenko [mailto:drew@usfamily.net]
> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 8:57 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] OT (sorta): Sun disk arrays
> 
> 
> The Sun Fiver channel disk array is platform independent that 
> was the entire
> idea of creating Fibre Channel. I know this because I work 
> for a Company
> that makes Fibre channel switches and I use all kinds of mass storage
> equiptment to preform performance testing.
> 
> ____________________________________________________
> If what I say offends you then it was probably meant to do so
> 
> 
> Andrew Nemchenko
> drew@usfamily.net
> Home: 651-681-8572
> Work: 952-932-4081
> Pager: 612-264-1737
> http://www.kuzmich.cjb.net
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Austad, Jay <austad@marketwatch.com>
> To: TCLUG <tclug-list@lists.real-time.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 11:24 PM
> Subject: [TCLUG] OT (sorta): Sun disk arrays
> 
> 
> > No one I ask really seems to know the answer to this 
> question.  I need to
> > purchase another Sun A5100 Fiber Channel disk array to add 
> some capacity
> to
> > a Sun system that we may not have much longer.  I NEED the 
> space, but
> since
> > we may not be using it for much longer, I need to find a 
> way to repurpose
> it
> > before I purchase it.  Unfortunately, a half terabyte 
> company MP3 server
> > would not be looked very highly upon by the penny pinchers.
> >
> > So, does anyone know if I can use the array with a Windows 
> 2000 database
> > server?  Does the A5100 have it's own built in RAID 
> controller, or is that
> > handled with the Fiber Channel card?  If it will work, and 
> perform well
> > enough for a huge database under Win2k, I can pass this off 
> and use it for
> > as long as I need it, and then give it to another 
> department when I'm
> done.
> >
> > If you don't know, can you tell me who I might contact to 
> find this out?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Jay
> > _______________________________________________
> > tclug-list mailing list
> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
> 
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From andyzib at ringworld.org  Tue Jan  9 00:34:00 2001
From: andyzib at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby))
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:32 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Mozilla won't let Navigator start
References: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0101082009410.13407-100000@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <3A5AB0D8.1DD0B0AB@ringworld.org>

> I've got Mozilla M18 installed on my Debian system and now it won't let me
> start plain ol' Navigator. Whenver I choose Navigator from a menu to type
> 'netscape' in an xterm, Mozilla fires up. What's up?

The netscape script first checks for a current netscape process, and if it
finds one it sends the remote newin "" command to the netscape/mozilla
procces. (see netscape -help and gnome-moz-remote) If you want to run
different versions of Netscpae/Mozilla at the same time, you'll have to give
it the full path and not use the wrapper script. 

(Full path on debian is something like
/usr/lib/netscape/476/communicator/communicator-smotif.real, Mozilla is
similar I'm sure. 

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From lerwick at tcfreenet.org  Tue Jan  9 03:31:22 2001
From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:32 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] cloneCD clone for Linux
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109195@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> <3A56205B.B5CAF931@tc.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <3A5ADA6A.9F7BCE08@tcfreenet.org>

> > The CD runs just fine.  The must insert the errors in empty spots on the
> > disk or something.  I think it's somewhat similar to the copy protection
> > used for playstation games.  The playstation's is somewhat different though
> > as it makes the cd burner choke.  The protection on The Sims and some other
> > PC games makes the reader choke when trying to grab a bit for bit copy.

PC games usually put corrupt sectors within a certain file on the CD,
which is not actually storing any game data. Its just there for copy
protection, with some kind of nondescript name. Just try cat-ing each
file to /dev/null until you find the one that gives IO errors. Thats the
one...

One way around it is to just remaster a new ISO, with all files but the
bad block file, and for extra points, cracked binaries as well...

> I think that Playstation CDs have an extra track on them that is not
> readable by the average CD drive.  I forget what Sony calls that extra
> track, though..  Anyway, there are two reasons why Sony does it.  One is

Not extra tracks, just some info hidden in the subcode. (Just the string
SCEA, is my understanding. (Sony Computer Entertainment America, its
SCEJ for a japanese disk or somesuch, etc...)) No consumer cd burner
will let you mess with subcode info thus the need for modchips. (Or
hacked cdburner roms...) Also, few PC cdroms will let the CPU get at the
subcode info, thus emulators can't enforce copy protection...

From lerwick at tcfreenet.org  Tue Jan  9 04:34:27 2001
From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:32 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] 2.4 and RedHat 7.0
References: <20010105221341.A9543@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <3A5AE933.2A372C00@tcfreenet.org>

Bob Tanner wrote:
> 
> I know I am going to get flamed, with RedHat 7.0 using the wacked gcc, but
> anyone able to get 2.4 to compile?

2.4.0 compiled just fine for me with RedHat's "gcc version 2.96". I'm
running it right now...

cal@bigtime:~/src/linux-2.4.0$ uname -a
Linux bigtime 2.4.0 #2 Mon Jan 8 00:49:39 CST 2001 i686 unknown
cal@bigtime:~/src/linux-2.4.0$ uptime
  4:33am  up  2:22,  1 user,  load average: 1.10, 1.21, 1.29

From lerwick at tcfreenet.org  Tue Jan  9 04:35:47 2001
From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:32 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Compaq DL 380 and Linux
References: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0101052005360.19323-100000@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <3A5AE983.513B4A97@tcfreenet.org>

> We're essentially all Compaq here and our head geek wants to standardize
> hardware as much as possible to give flexibility for recycling servers,

Heh. "Compaq" and "Standard" in the same sentance. Thats funny...

From clay at fandre.com  Tue Jan  9 04:56:35 2001
From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:32 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Building a firewall - 2 NICs
References: <01C079B6.54790540.dkleist@acm.org>
Message-ID: <3A5AEE63.CEDD88EC@fandre.com>

Dave Kleist wrote:
> 
> Quick question:
> 
> Something in my feeble brain seems to remember reading something about
> using two identical NIC cards in a box makes it more difficult to set up a
> firewall.  Is this right or am I just mishmashing stuff in my brain?
> 

Sometimes similar NICs try to use the same hardware resources (IRQ, IO,
etc.) because they usually are set to some default. This was mainly a
problem with ISA PNP cards without jumpers to set. Different brands of
NICs usually used different resources by default so it was easier to
setup. If you have the same PNP NICs, you usually have to run some DOS
utility to change the HW resources, or use isapnp.


> As an aside, the box is a 486, and I'll be picking up two ISA NIC cards,
> retail -- not my money, my employers-- probably the Dlink DE220 PCT cards
> since I don't think I saw any others on the shelf.  I'm also going to take
> a stab at installing Debian though it does not look like the net install
> will be that bad, probably have more problems with creating the floppies
> than anything else.

You're right. Installing Debian via the net was probably one of the
easiest things I've ever done.

From kent at structural-wood.com  Tue Jan  9 07:16:36 2001
From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:32 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] XFree86 4.02 and Voodoo 3000
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1091D6@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <3A5B0F34.FD3BA456@structural-wood.com>

No, no GLcore - I searched the Xfree source, and then the
internet and couldn't find any reference to GLcore in
conjunction with X.   What is this?


"Austad, Jay" wrote:
> 
> How about GLcore?
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kent Schumacher [mailto:kent@structural-wood.com]
> > Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 2:46 PM
> > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] XFree86 4.02 and Voodoo 3000
> >
> >
> > xdpyinfo shows the glx and dri modules being loaded.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Kent
> >
> >
> > "Austad, Jay" wrote:
> > >
> > > Are you loading the DRI module?
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Kent Schumacher [mailto:kent@structural-wood.com]
> > > > Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 10:24 AM
> > > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > > > Subject: [TCLUG] XFree86 4.02 and Voodoo 3000
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well, since my system has been working perfectly for far too
> > > > long, I needed
> > > > to break something, so I decided to install XFree86 4.02.
> > > >
> > > > I did the source compile thing (make World, make install).
> > > > did the Xfree86 -configure,
> > > > pasted in some modelines from my old XF86Config file, exited
> > > > my X-session and started
> > > > things up, and *poof*, I was running 4.02.   I ran problem
> > > > free till last night when
> > > > I tried Heavy Gear II, which just died.
> > > >
> > > > After massive searches through the net with minimal results,
> > > > I ran across a directive to put
> > > > in my XFree86 hosts.def file that stated I have glide.  I
> > > > remade 4.02 and then heavy gear
> > > > would run, but terminally slowly (It takes forever to come
> > > > up, and then every motion on
> > > > the screen takes several seconds to render).
> > > >
> > > > Running glxinfo says that I have a gl system, although it
> > > > reports rendering as 'indirect'
> > > > which seems wrong.
> > > >
> > > > Does anybody have a working XFree86 4.xx with a Voodoo 3 (or
> > > > Banshee?) and GL?
> > > >
> > > > Anybody know of any definitive links? Any advice????
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Kent
>

From esper at sherohman.org  Tue Jan  9 09:24:20 2001
From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:33 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Building a firewall - 2 NICs
In-Reply-To: <01C079B6.54790540.dkleist@acm.org>; from dkleist@acm.org on Mon, Jan 08, 2001 at 09:02:33PM -0600
References: <01C079B6.54790540.dkleist@acm.org>
Message-ID: <20010109092420.A10240@sherohman.org>

On Mon, Jan 08, 2001 at 09:02:33PM -0600, Dave Kleist wrote:
> Something in my feeble brain seems to remember reading something about 
> using two identical NIC cards in a box makes it more difficult to set up a 
> firewall.  Is this right or am I just mishmashing stuff in my brain?

Depends on the cards.  With the Intel EtherExpress Pro PCI.  I slapped 3
of 'em on the bus, booted with an appropriate kernel, and it Just Worked
without any problems.  But another time I tried some old PnP ISA cards
and had no success at all.

ISTR reading somewhere that that's the general pattern:  Multiple similar PCI
cards will generally work fine, but with ISA cards, it's going to be a pain
(if it's even possible).

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From drew at usfamily.net  Tue Jan  9 11:42:24 2001
From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:33 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT (sorta): Sun disk arrays
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1091E1@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <000b01c07a63$872d0740$4d9a0ace@ancor.com>

Well its not exactly a raid controller as you would normally think of it,
but its in the array. Thats because if you for instance plug it into a Fibre
channel switch you would see usind the switch managment software that you
have a number of devices connected with out an HBA. But if you want to
access the drives you need to connect a  card. That way when you plug it
directly into the card you should be able to see a list of drives when using
Disk manager either in NT or 2000. It's all meant to work with very little
configuration, almost plug and play type of deal.

----- Original Message -----
From: Austad, Jay <austad@marketwatch.com>
To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 7:52 PM
Subject: RE: [TCLUG] OT (sorta): Sun disk arrays


> So, is the raid controller typically contained in the array, or in the
fibre
> channel card?
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Andrew Nemchenko [mailto:drew@usfamily.net]
> > Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 8:57 PM
> > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] OT (sorta): Sun disk arrays
> >
> >
> > The Sun Fiver channel disk array is platform independent that
> > was the entire
> > idea of creating Fibre Channel. I know this because I work
> > for a Company
> > that makes Fibre channel switches and I use all kinds of mass storage
> > equiptment to preform performance testing.
> >
> > ____________________________________________________
> > If what I say offends you then it was probably meant to do so
> >
> >
> > Andrew Nemchenko
> > drew@usfamily.net
> > Home: 651-681-8572
> > Work: 952-932-4081
> > Pager: 612-264-1737
> > http://www.kuzmich.cjb.net
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Austad, Jay <austad@marketwatch.com>
> > To: TCLUG <tclug-list@lists.real-time.com>
> > Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 11:24 PM
> > Subject: [TCLUG] OT (sorta): Sun disk arrays
> >
> >
> > > No one I ask really seems to know the answer to this
> > question.  I need to
> > > purchase another Sun A5100 Fiber Channel disk array to add
> > some capacity
> > to
> > > a Sun system that we may not have much longer.  I NEED the
> > space, but
> > since
> > > we may not be using it for much longer, I need to find a
> > way to repurpose
> > it
> > > before I purchase it.  Unfortunately, a half terabyte
> > company MP3 server
> > > would not be looked very highly upon by the penny pinchers.
> > >
> > > So, does anyone know if I can use the array with a Windows
> > 2000 database
> > > server?  Does the A5100 have it's own built in RAID
> > controller, or is that
> > > handled with the Fiber Channel card?  If it will work, and
> > perform well
> > > enough for a huge database under Win2k, I can pass this off
> > and use it for
> > > as long as I need it, and then give it to another
> > department when I'm
> > done.
> > >
> > > If you don't know, can you tell me who I might contact to
> > find this out?
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > Jay
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > tclug-list mailing list
> > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
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From myok at my-deja.com  Tue Jan  9 11:29:00 2001
From: myok at my-deja.com (Carl Patten)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:33 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Building a firewall - 2 NICs
Message-ID: <200101091729.JAA20228@mail16.bigmailbox.com>

>From: Dave Kleist <dkleist@acm.org>
>
>Quick question:
>
>Something in my feeble brain seems to remember reading something about 
>using two identical NIC cards in a box makes it more difficult to set up a 
>firewall.  Is this right or am I just mishmashing stuff in my brain?
>

I suppose if you're using very dumb non-plug-n-play NICs you could run into resource conflicts, and you'll need to be sure to set up the modules properly (there a FAQ on it somewhere).  If you have the MACs of the cards written down you can just do an ifconfig -a to tell which is eth0 and which is eth1.

Does Debian net install allow you to choose which of the network cards to perform the install over?

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From lxy at antares.cloudnet.com  Tue Jan  9 11:32:00 2001
From: lxy at antares.cloudnet.com (Brian)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:33 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Building a firewall - 2 NICs
Message-ID: <200101091732.LAA02474@antares.cloudnet.com>

>ISTR reading somewhere that that's the general pattern:  Multiple similar 
>PCI cards will generally work fine, but with ISA cards, it's going to be 
>a pain (if it's even possible).

Yes, it's possible.  You mentioned using Dlink DE220 ISA's, I've built
this identical router before.  There is a floppy disk that comes with the
card (you can also download it) that writes the IRQ/IO stuff into the
firmware.  It's kinda the same as using jumpers, but it uses software to
flash the firmware instead.  You need a DOS bootable disk to do this.

Assign the cards some free pairs of IRQ/IO's (I usually use 10/300 and
5/220 because they're easy to remember) and set them up in
/etc/conf.modules.  Do an 'insmod ne2000.o irq=10,5 io=0x300,0x220' and
voila, eth0 and eth1 appear. Two ifconfig's later and you have a
router/firewall.

Just remember to label the cards so you can tell which is your inside
interface and which is outside :-)

-Brian



From esper at sherohman.org  Tue Jan  9 12:10:00 2001
From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:33 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Building a firewall - 2 NICs
In-Reply-To: <200101091729.JAA20228@mail16.bigmailbox.com>; from myok@my-deja.com on Tue, Jan 09, 2001 at 09:29:00AM -0800
References: <200101091729.JAA20228@mail16.bigmailbox.com>
Message-ID: <20010109120959.F10240@sherohman.org>

On Tue, Jan 09, 2001 at 09:29:00AM -0800, Carl Patten wrote:
> Does Debian net install allow you to choose which of the network cards to perform the install over?

You shouldn't need to.  Routing should take care of that automatically.  (If
eth0 has a route to the outside world and eth1 is set to talk only to the
LAN, it's fairly clear which card to use for your net install...)

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From lerwick at tcfreenet.org  Tue Jan  9 12:26:09 2001
From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:33 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] 2.4 and RedHat 7.0
References: <20010105221341.A9543@real-time.com> <3A5AE933.2A372C00@tcfreenet.org>
Message-ID: <3A5B57C1.46849D0F@tcfreenet.org>

> cal@bigtime:~/src/linux-2.4.0$ uname -a
> Linux bigtime 2.4.0 #2 Mon Jan 8 00:49:39 CST 2001 i686 unknown
> cal@bigtime:~/src/linux-2.4.0$ uptime
>   4:33am  up  2:22,  1 user,  load average: 1.10, 1.21, 1.29

And I just realised what I should have quoted is this:

cal@bigtime:~/src$ dmesg
Linux version 2.4.0 (cal@bigtime) (gcc version 2.96 20000731 (Red Hat
Linux 7.0)) #2 Mon Jan 8 00:49:39 CST 2001

Whee...

From tanner at real-time.com  Tue Jan  9 12:55:46 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:33 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Officially open to the public: Mirror of kernel.org
Message-ID: <20010109125546.M19226@real-time.com>

I'd like to kick off the new year by saying ftp.mn-linux.org is now an official
mirror for kernel.org.

I am updating the mirror every 6 hours.

Enjoy....

ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/pub/linux/


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From destef at destef.com  Tue Jan  9 15:11:51 2001
From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:33 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Building a firewall - 2 NICs
In-Reply-To: <01C079B6.54790540.dkleist@acm.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0101091259360.1643-100000@theo.egoode.com>

I've had a similar problem in the past with multiple nics
of the same type (although that was in the rh5.2 and older days).
The problem seemed to be in the drivers in that they tended
to assume that they didnt need to look for multiple cards
at least not without help. adding the "ether=xxxxx" to the
command line seemed to solve the problem most of the time.
I also used static kernel drivers to rule out any possibility
of the modules being the problem since back then they were
failry new (and anyting that tends to be "automated" tends
to be buggy).

Anyway, more recent releases have gotten much better and
i rarely have problems with the kernel or drivers. Usually
the problem is damn PnP not being smart about assigning
resources. I dont care what the developers say, put a
fast SCSI on the same IRQ as an ethernet card and ftp at
full speed and you will get resource not avaiable errors.
Why cant new cpu's come with 24 or 32 IRQ's these days??
Is it that big of an issue to implement?

Buy quality cards with good driver support and you shouldnt
have a problem. I have an Intel EEpro100 PCI, a 3c509 10mb ISA,
and a 3c515 100mb ISA (with DMA) on my firewall and got
them all to coexist with little work.

Cheers

On Mon, 8 Jan 2001, Dave Kleist wrote:

> Quick question:
> 
> Something in my feeble brain seems to remember reading something about 
> using two identical NIC cards in a box makes it more difficult to set up a 
> firewall.  Is this right or am I just mishmashing stuff in my brain?
> 
> As an aside, the box is a 486, and I'll be picking up two ISA NIC cards, 
> retail -- not my money, my employers-- probably the Dlink DE220 PCT cards 
> since I don't think I saw any others on the shelf.  I'm also going to take 
> a stab at installing Debian though it does not look like the net install 
> will be that bad, probably have more problems with creating the floppies 
> than anything else.
> 
> Thanks for any help,
> 
>     - Dave
> 
> Dave Kleist
> dkleist@acm.org
> "The covers of this book are too far apart."  - Ambrose Bierce
> 
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From wilson at visi.com  Tue Jan  9 17:34:48 2001
From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:33 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] GIF support in GIMP
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0101091733410.15921-100000@isis.visi.com>

Hey everyone,

The version of the GIMP I have on my Debian (woody) system doesn't seem to
support exporting a graphic in GIF format. Normally I would just use PNG,
but I need GIF for this particular thing I'm working on. Do I need to
install a lib?

-Tim

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From ecrist at ardent-hacker.net  Tue Jan  9 19:28:05 2001
From: ecrist at ardent-hacker.net (Eric F Crist)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:33 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Access Control
Message-ID: <0101091928051L.44407@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net>

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Maybe this is a little off-topic, but I"m looking for a cgi or java script 
that will allow me to more easily deal with a secured area on my site.  
there've been a few I've tried, and haven't liked.  Could anyone please 
respond with some good, FREE, packages that allow me to administer htpasswd 
files and allow mass mailing of users, and allow automated user 
sign-up/login/maintenance of their accounts? 

Thanks,

Eric
- -- 
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System Administrator
Ardent-Hacker.net
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From dieman at ringworld.org  Tue Jan  9 20:18:23 2001
From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:33 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] GIF support in GIMP
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0101091733410.15921-100000@isis.visi.com>; from wilson@visi.com on Tue, Jan 09, 2001 at 05:34:48PM -0600
References: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0101091733410.15921-100000@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <20010109201823.I21552@ringworld.org>

install gimp-non-free or somehting like that. :)

* Timothy Wilson <wilson@visi.com> [010109 20:01]:
> Hey everyone,
> 
> The version of the GIMP I have on my Debian (woody) system doesn't seem to
> support exporting a graphic in GIF format. Normally I would just use PNG,
> but I need GIF for this particular thing I'm working on. Do I need to
> install a lib?
> 
> -Tim
> 
> --
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From parker at mi-recordz.com  Tue Jan  9 21:04:09 2001
From: parker at mi-recordz.com (parker@mi-recordz.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:33 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] GIF support in GIMP
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0101091733410.15921-100000@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10101091903280.14668-100000@momma.mi-recordz.com>

Hi,

> The version of the GIMP I have on my Debian (woody) system doesn't seem to
> support exporting a graphic in GIF format. Normally I would just use PNG,
> but I need GIF for this particular thing I'm working on. Do I need to
> install a lib?

Did you try Image|Mode|Indexed ?

Ron


From parker at mi-recordz.com  Tue Jan  9 21:04:09 2001
From: parker at mi-recordz.com (parker@mi-recordz.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:33 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] GIF support in GIMP
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0101091733410.15921-100000@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10101091903280.14668-100000@momma.mi-recordz.com>

Hi,

> The version of the GIMP I have on my Debian (woody) system doesn't seem to
> support exporting a graphic in GIF format. Normally I would just use PNG,
> but I need GIF for this particular thing I'm working on. Do I need to
> install a lib?

Did you try Image|Mode|Indexed ?

Ron


From kbullock at ringworld.org  Tue Jan  9 20:06:15 2001
From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin R. Bullock)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:33 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] GIF support in GIMP
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0101091733410.15921-100000@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10101092004390.852-100000@destiny.ringworld.org>

On Tue, 9 Jan 2001, Timothy Wilson wrote:

> The version of the GIMP I have on my Debian (woody) system doesn't seem to
> support exporting a graphic in GIF format. Normally I would just use PNG,
> but I need GIF for this particular thing I'm working on. Do I need to
> install a lib?

Look for gimp-nonfree or gimp1.1-nonfree (depending which gimp package
you're using).

Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa
Kevin R. Bullock


From esper at sherohman.org  Tue Jan  9 20:07:39 2001
From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:33 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] GIF support in GIMP
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0101091733410.15921-100000@isis.visi.com>; from wilson@visi.com on Tue, Jan 09, 2001 at 05:34:48PM -0600
References: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0101091733410.15921-100000@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <20010109200739.I10240@sherohman.org>

On Tue, Jan 09, 2001 at 05:34:48PM -0600, Timothy Wilson wrote:
> The version of the GIMP I have on my Debian (woody) system doesn't seem to
> support exporting a graphic in GIF format. Normally I would just use PNG,
> but I need GIF for this particular thing I'm working on. Do I need to
> install a lib?

For Debian, you need to install gimp-nonfree to get GIF (and TIFF) support.

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From dieman at ringworld.org  Tue Jan  9 20:18:23 2001
From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:35 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] GIF support in GIMP
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0101091733410.15921-100000@isis.visi.com>; from wilson@visi.com on Tue, Jan 09, 2001 at 05:34:48PM -0600
References: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0101091733410.15921-100000@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <20010109201823.I21552@ringworld.org>

install gimp-non-free or somehting like that. :)

* Timothy Wilson <wilson@visi.com> [010109 20:01]:
> Hey everyone,
> 
> The version of the GIMP I have on my Debian (woody) system doesn't seem to
> support exporting a graphic in GIF format. Normally I would just use PNG,
> but I need GIF for this particular thing I'm working on. Do I need to
> install a lib?
> 
> -Tim
> 
> --
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From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu  Tue Jan  9 21:54:39 2001
From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:35 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] GIF support in GIMP
References: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0101091733410.15921-100000@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <3A5BDCFF.915C009E@tc.umn.edu>

Timothy Wilson wrote:
> 
> Hey everyone,
> 
> The version of the GIMP I have on my Debian (woody) system doesn't seem to
> support exporting a graphic in GIF format. Normally I would just use PNG,
> but I need GIF for this particular thing I'm working on. Do I need to
> install a lib?

I would suspect there's a `png2gif' or similar program floating around
somewhere.  Of course, that might be hard to get on Debian too ;-)

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From wilson at visi.com  Tue Jan  9 22:12:41 2001
From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:35 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] GIF support in GIMP
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10101091903280.14668-100000@momma.mi-recordz.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0101092210130.28393-100000@isis.visi.com>

On Tue, 9 Jan 2001 parker@mi-recordz.com wrote:

> > The version of the GIMP I have on my Debian (woody) system doesn't seem to
> > support exporting a graphic in GIF format. Normally I would just use PNG,
> > but I need GIF for this particular thing I'm working on. Do I need to
> > install a lib?
> 
> Did you try Image|Mode|Indexed ?

GIMP has this really cool effect called "Webify" which automatically crops
whatever image you've created and makes it "Web ready." I'll try going
through the steps you suggest.

-Tim

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From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu  Tue Jan  9 21:31:32 2001
From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:35 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] XFree86 4.02 and Voodoo 3000
References: <20010108143228918.AAA381@SUMO.printwareinc.com> <3A59E99B.84170839@structural-wood.com>
Message-ID: <3A5BD794.405A1ECD@tc.umn.edu>

Kent Schumacher wrote:
> 
> Does anybody have a working XFree86 4.xx with a Voodoo 3 (or Banshee?) and GL?
> 
> Anybody know of any definitive links? Any advice????

I only have bad news, though I have a Matrox G400, and my experiences
should not be applied in any way to yours ;-)  I've been unsuccessful at
several attempts to get GL working.  I used to be able to get things to
work in the 3.3.x series, but things just haven't worked for me in
4.0.x.

You're probably at least somewhat better off than I have been.  For the
Matrox cards, you apparently have to be in 16-bpp mode to do any GL
graphics.  When I start my X server at a depth of 16, everything moves
extraordinarily slowly -- basically as if I was running over a 56k link,
even though the hardware is directly connected.

Anyway, I'm in the process of trying out some new kernels (2.2.18 and
2.4.0 -- I had to wait for reiserfs to sync up...).  Maybe I'll get
brave again and set up 2.4.0 with agpgart, and set my system compiling
on X 4.0.2.

On the upside (IMO), X 4.0.x supports gamma correction (except in YUV
overlays, apparently).  It took a little getting used to (at first,
Slashdot's colors seemed to become even more vomit-inducing).  However,
once you're used to it, you can easily detect the web sites where a
graphic designer was obviously using a very dim screen..

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From tanner at real-time.com  Wed Jan 10 02:36:01 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:35 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] SourceForge in-house installation?
Message-ID: <20010110023601.A20488@real-time.com>

Has anyone sucessfully installed AND operated SourceForge in-house?



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From lerwick at tcfreenet.org  Wed Jan 10 04:17:36 2001
From: lerwick at tcfreenet.org (Callum Lerwick)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:35 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Imap daemons
Message-ID: <3A5C36C0.2090304@tcfreenet.org>

So what imap daemons are out there? There seems to be a few in debian 
unstable, wu-imapd, courier-imapd and plain imapd. Which one should I be 
using? Whats the difference? Do any of them do SSL?


From wilson at visi.com  Wed Jan 10 07:29:07 2001
From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:35 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] GIF support in GIMP
In-Reply-To: <3A5BDCFF.915C009E@tc.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0101100727490.17159-100000@isis.visi.com>

On Tue, 9 Jan 2001, Michael Hicks wrote:

> > The version of the GIMP I have on my Debian (woody) system doesn't seem to
> > support exporting a graphic in GIF format. Normally I would just use PNG,
> > but I need GIF for this particular thing I'm working on. Do I need to
> > install a lib?
> 
> I would suspect there's a `png2gif' or similar program floating around
> somewhere.  Of course, that might be hard to get on Debian too ;-)

I installed the gimp-nonfree package and all is well. I did mess with
ImageMagick a bit to try to get it to convert the image, but I didn't have
time to get it to work.

-Tim

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From kent at structural-wood.com  Wed Jan 10 07:37:37 2001
From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:35 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Imap daemons
References: <3A5C36C0.2090304@tcfreenet.org>
Message-ID: <3A5C65A1.FFCC020A@structural-wood.com>

Callum Lerwick wrote:
> 
> So what imap daemons are out there? There seems to be a few in debian
> unstable, wu-imapd, courier-imapd and plain imapd. Which one should I be
> using? Whats the difference? Do any of them do SSL?
> 

I installed cyrus imapd about 3 years ago on a tiny '486 runnning UnixWare,
and it is still handling a large subset of our users e-mail.  It keeps going,
and going...

It was one of those 'test' projects that immediately succeeded and has never
needed anything more.

From ben at nerp.net  Wed Jan 10 08:14:43 2001
From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:35 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Imap daemons
In-Reply-To: <3A5C36C0.2090304@tcfreenet.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0101100813260.7026-100000@chef>

hrm.. I use plain ol imapd, and stunnel for ssl support.  i thought debian
standard imapd was wu-imap.. but i could be wrong.

Thank You,
        Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net)

 "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends."

On Wed, 10 Jan 2001, Callum Lerwick wrote:

> So what imap daemons are out there? There seems to be a few in debian
> unstable, wu-imapd, courier-imapd and plain imapd. Which one should I be
> using? Whats the difference? Do any of them do SSL?
>
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From zibby at ringworld.org  Wed Jan 10 08:28:38 2001
From: zibby at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby))
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:35 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Imap daemons
In-Reply-To: <3A5C36C0.2090304@tcfreenet.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10101100823180.14381-100000@destiny.ringworld.org>

The only imapd I really have any expierence with is just the plain imapd.
With the sslwrap wrap package it's fairly easy to setup imap over ssl. 

What little I know about courier is that you don't need a machine account
on the server to have an e-mail account and that it will do ssl without
sslwrap. 

With sslwrap, any of the imap daemons should do ssl. The plain imapd
covers my needs, and handles my rather large e-mail folders just fine. :)

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From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu  Wed Jan 10 08:39:13 2001
From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:35 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Imap daemons
In-Reply-To: <3A5C36C0.2090304@tcfreenet.org>; from lerwick@tcfreenet.org on Wed, Jan 10, 2001 at 04:17:36AM -0600
References: <3A5C36C0.2090304@tcfreenet.org>
Message-ID: <20010110083913.A15344@sorry.cs.umn.edu>

On Wed, Jan 10, 2001 at 04:17:36AM -0600, Callum Lerwick wrote:
> So what imap daemons are out there? There seems to be a few in debian 
> unstable, wu-imapd, courier-imapd and plain imapd. Which one should I be 
> using? Whats the difference? Do any of them do SSL?
> 
Well, I dunno what deb imap packages there are, but there's no imap I know
of that "does" SSL.  Imap, like any other insecure daemon, needs to be
"wrapped" with SSL using stunnel or some other SSL wrapper.

Gabe

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From kent at structural-wood.com  Wed Jan 10 07:33:14 2001
From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:35 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] XFree86 4.02 and Voodoo 3000
References: <20010108143228918.AAA381@SUMO.printwareinc.com> <3A59E99B.84170839@structural-wood.com> <3A5BD794.405A1ECD@tc.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <3A5C649A.76A5CB2E@structural-wood.com>

Michael Hicks wrote:
> 
> Kent Schumacher wrote:
> >
> > Does anybody have a working XFree86 4.xx with a Voodoo 3 (or Banshee?) and GL?
> >
> > Anybody know of any definitive links? Any advice????
> 
> I only have bad news, though I have a Matrox G400, and my experiences
> should not be applied in any way to yours ;-)  I've been unsuccessful at
> several attempts to get GL working.  I used to be able to get things to
> work in the 3.3.x series, but things just haven't worked for me in
> 4.0.x.
> 
I've been playing with different options in the hosts.def file, and while
I've not made any real progress, I have found that make World will blithely
proceed through the make process without stopping if anything other than
the server does not compile/link.  Needless to say, the parts where the
tdfx GL module compiles fails - it looks like I need to get a glide library
and headers installed correctly before I can proceed.

> You're probably at least somewhat better off than I have been.  For the
> Matrox cards, you apparently have to be in 16-bpp mode to do any GL
> graphics.  When I start my X server at a depth of 16, everything moves
> extraordinarily slowly -- basically as if I was running over a 56k link,
> even though the hardware is directly connected.

I'm pretty sure I'm limited to 16-bpp mode also (although I can't remember
now if that is true), but my 16-bpp mode screams.  Have you looked in the
Xfree log file (/var/log/Xfree86.log or somesuch)?  You can crank the verbosity
of Xfree86 up as well (-logverbose n).

> 
> Anyway, I'm in the process of trying out some new kernels (2.2.18 and
> 2.4.0 -- I had to wait for reiserfs to sync up...).  Maybe I'll get
> brave again and set up 2.4.0 with agpgart, and set my system compiling
> on X 4.0.2.
> 
> On the upside (IMO), X 4.0.x supports gamma correction (except in YUV
> overlays, apparently).  It took a little getting used to (at first,
> Slashdot's colors seemed to become even more vomit-inducing).  However,
> once you're used to it, you can easily detect the web sites where a
> graphic designer was obviously using a very dim screen..
> 
>

From clay at fandre.com  Wed Jan 10 07:48:45 2001
From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:35 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Imap daemons
References: <3A5C36C0.2090304@tcfreenet.org>
Message-ID: <3A5C683D.B6EFCF15@fandre.com>

Callum Lerwick wrote:
> 
> So what imap daemons are out there? There seems to be a few in debian
> unstable, wu-imapd, courier-imapd and plain imapd. Which one should I be
> using? Whats the difference? Do any of them do SSL?


You can make any of them SSL capable with stunnel.

http://www.stunnel.org

From ehillman at cccu.com  Wed Jan 10 09:39:26 2001
From: ehillman at cccu.com (Eric Hillman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:35 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Imap daemons
In-Reply-To: <3A5C36C0.2090304@tcfreenet.org>
Message-ID: <000701c07b1b$837f5ef0$650aa8c0@cccu.com>

>
> So what imap daemons are out there? There seems to be a few in debian
> unstable, wu-imapd, courier-imapd and plain imapd. Which one should I be
> using? Whats the difference? Do any of them do SSL?


I recommend Cyrus too.  It does both POP3 and IMAP, offers about a billion
options for authentication, runs as non-root, and keeps incoming emails in
seperate folders rather than a single spoolfile (very handy when you're trying
to locate & excise dangerous e-mails, like viruses or inadvertently e-mailed
budget reports...)

I don't know much about running IMAP over SSL, but I'm pretty sure Cyrus can
handle that.


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From natecars at real-time.com  Wed Jan 10 09:51:06 2001
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:35 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Imap daemons
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0101100813260.7026-100000@chef>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0101100950490.2400-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Wed, 10 Jan 2001, Ben Kochie wrote:
> hrm.. I use plain ol imapd, and stunnel for ssl support.  i thought debian
> standard imapd was wu-imap.. but i could be wrong.

wu-imap 2000 has built in SSL support (if you pass the build options).

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From natecars at real-time.com  Wed Jan 10 09:51:32 2001
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:35 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Imap daemons
In-Reply-To: <20010110083913.A15344@sorry.cs.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0101100951110.2400-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Wed, 10 Jan 2001 dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote:
> Well, I dunno what deb imap packages there are, but there's no imap I know
> of that "does" SSL.  Imap, like any other insecure daemon, needs to be
> "wrapped" with SSL using stunnel or some other SSL wrapper.

courier-imap and wu-imap 2000 both support ssl.

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From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu  Wed Jan 10 10:19:06 2001
From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:35 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Imap daemons
References: <3A5C36C0.2090304@tcfreenet.org> <20010110083913.A15344@sorry.cs.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <3A5C8B7A.C359D9BE@tc.umn.edu>

dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Jan 10, 2001 at 04:17:36AM -0600, Callum Lerwick wrote:
> > So what imap daemons are out there? There seems to be a few in debian
> > unstable, wu-imapd, courier-imapd and plain imapd. Which one should I be
> > using? Whats the difference? Do any of them do SSL?
>
> Well, I dunno what deb imap packages there are, but there's no imap I know
> of that "does" SSL.  Imap, like any other insecure daemon, needs to be
> "wrapped" with SSL using stunnel or some other SSL wrapper.

UW IMAP 2000 appears to, though I think you might need to re-compile it
on your own

RedHat 7.0 seems to come with a version of UW IMAP that supports SSL,
though I haven't bothered to generate an SSL certificate to try it out
yet..

http://www.washington.edu/imap/
http://computing.ee.ethz.ch/sepp/imap-2000-ds.html

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From austad at marketwatch.com  Wed Jan 10 12:30:52 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:35 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] netsaint clones
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10920B@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

Does anyone know of anything else like netsaint?  Just curious.  We're using
netsaint, and it works great, but I was wondering if there were any other
products out there which are similar (not commercial).  Something PHP based
maybe?

Also, which list should we be sending to?  The real-time.com or the
mn-linux.org list?  I see alot of people using the mn-linux.org list and I
thought we weren't supposed to use that anymore, but I just tried sending to
the real-time one about an hour ago and it still hasn't showed up on the
list.

Jay

From austad at marketwatch.com  Wed Jan 10 11:08:51 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:35 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] netsaint clones
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109208@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

Does anyone know of anything else like netsaint?  Just curious.  We're using
netsaint, and it works great, but I was wondering if there were any other
products out there which are similar (not commercial).  Something PHP based
maybe?

Also, which list should we be sending to?  The real-time.com or the
mn-linux.org list?  I see alot of people using the mn-linux.org list and I
thought we weren't supposed to use that anymore.

Jay

From tanner at real-time.com  Wed Jan 10 12:12:40 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:35 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Imap daemons
In-Reply-To: <3A5C36C0.2090304@tcfreenet.org>; from lerwick@tcfreenet.org on Wed, Jan 10, 2001 at 04:17:36AM -0600
References: <3A5C36C0.2090304@tcfreenet.org>
Message-ID: <20010110121240.B15199@real-time.com>

Quoting Callum Lerwick (lerwick@tcfreenet.org):
> So what imap daemons are out there? There seems to be a few in debian 
> unstable, wu-imapd, courier-imapd and plain imapd. Which one should I be 
> using? Whats the difference? Do any of them do SSL?

You can make them all work with SSL, but if you want it built in, you
courier-imap, it has imap, pop, imap-ssl and pop-ssl.

Real Time is switching over to courier on friday. :-)

The caveat is that courier only does maildir, not mbox, so you'll have to use
qmail for a MTA or a tweak to the global procmailrc. 

I can post it if needed.

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From tanner at real-time.com  Wed Jan 10 13:27:29 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:36 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] openoffice cvs build and stlport4
Message-ID: <20010110132729.Z3238@real-time.com>

Ever since OpenOffice when to using the STLport4 I cannot get OpenOffice to
compile.

I snarf'd the STLport4 tarball and IT won't compile either.

Anyone gotten either of these to compile?

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From tanner at real-time.com  Wed Jan 10 14:53:27 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:36 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] netsaint clones
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10920B@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Wed, Jan 10, 2001 at 12:30:52PM -0600
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10920B@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <20010110145327.L3238@real-time.com>

Quoting Austad, Jay (austad@marketwatch.com):
> Does anyone know of anything else like netsaint?  Just curious.  We're using
> netsaint, and it works great, but I was wondering if there were any other
> products out there which are similar (not commercial).  Something PHP based
> maybe?
> 
> Also, which list should we be sending to?  The real-time.com or the
> mn-linux.org list?  I see alot of people using the mn-linux.org list and I
> thought we weren't supposed to use that anymore, but I just tried sending to
> the real-time one about an hour ago and it still hasn't showed up on the
> list.

Both lists.real-time.com and mn-linux.org will work.

Look at OpenNMS 


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From mjn at umn.edu  Wed Jan 10 14:58:24 2001
From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:36 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] netsaint clones
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10920B@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0101101454070.15869-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>

> Does anyone know of anything else like netsaint?  Just curious.  We're using
> netsaint, and it works great, but I was wondering if there were any other
> products out there which are similar (not commercial).  Something PHP based
> maybe?


http://www.bb4.com
Big Brother is pretty cool, aside from being shell script based

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From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu  Wed Jan 10 13:06:58 2001
From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:36 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Imap daemons
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0101100951110.2400-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>; from natecars@real-time.com on Wed, Jan 10, 2001 at 09:51:32AM -0600
References: <20010110083913.A15344@sorry.cs.umn.edu> <Pine.LNX.4.30.0101100951110.2400-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010110130658.D15344@sorry.cs.umn.edu>

Yeah, I just saw that in the FAQ for wu-imap 2000.  Handy.  No more messing
with stunnel :)

Gabe

On Wed, Jan 10, 2001 at 09:51:32AM -0600, Nate Carlson wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Jan 2001 dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote:
> > Well, I dunno what deb imap packages there are, but there's no imap I know
> > of that "does" SSL.  Imap, like any other insecure daemon, needs to be
> > "wrapped" with SSL using stunnel or some other SSL wrapper.
> 
> courier-imap and wu-imap 2000 both support ssl.
> 
> -- 
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> http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500
> 
> 
> 
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> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
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From austad at marketwatch.com  Wed Jan 10 13:05:36 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:36 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Geforce II MX, no DRI with Gnome
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10920D@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

I have a friend who has a Geforce IIMX with the nvidia drivers installed and
working.  Under KDE, everything works great.  glxinfo shows the glx server
as Nvidia and the glx client as Nvidia.  However, under Gnome, the glx
server is Nvidia, but the client is SGI.  And DRI is not enabled.  If he
logs in as root with Gnome, it works just fine.  With KDE it works as any
user.

Anyone have any clue why?  

Jay

From tanner at real-time.com  Wed Jan 10 15:16:20 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:36 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Photos of the old mailing list server
Message-ID: <20010110151620.A29088@real-time.com>

I put some photos of the mailing list server online.

Quick-n-dirty.

http://www.mn-linux.org/members/tanner/

Come see the little box that could and did.

:-)

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From natecars at real-time.com  Wed Jan 10 16:57:17 2001
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:36 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Indy For Sale
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0101101647560.2400-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

You guys remember that deal we were trying to swing for a bunch of Indy's?
Well, I got the test machine back then. I played with it a bit, and the
bad part is, it's been sitting on my desk for HOW many months, and I
haven't had a chance to mess with it anymore. Anyone out there with some
time to tinker want to buy it?

Here's the specs:

R4400 133mhz processor
128mb True Parity memory (upgraded from 64)
2x2gb Hard Drives (One with IRIX 6.5.x on it (not licensed), the other
	with Linux on it (kinda works)
24-bit Video Card (I bought it seperatly, so I'll also throw in the 8-bit
	card)
2 IndyCam's (I picked up one new with the video card and one from Ebay)
IRIX 5.3 CD (Untested; I bought it from Ebay)

Asking $400 OBO. Pick up during business hours at Real Time's office in
Eden Prairie, or we can arrange dropoff/shipment/pickup.

I know the machine works; I played with it quite a bit. I've also got a
bunch of GNU stuff installed under IRIX (GCC, WindowMaker, etc).

It's a fun toy, and I'd like someone who actually has some time on their
hands to be able to play with it.  :)

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From galst001 at tc.umn.edu  Wed Jan 10 20:23:53 2001
From: galst001 at tc.umn.edu (Ethan Galstad)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:36 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] netsaint clones
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0101101454070.15869-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10920B@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <200101110218.SAA06523@harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net>

Big Brother (www.bb4.com) is probably one of the most widely 
used monitoring apps.  Its not GPL'ed, but there is only a license 
fee if you're using it for commercial purposes.  Mon probably runs a 
close second as far as widespread use.  There is a section of the 
NetSaint docs in which I list some other monitoring apps that are 
out there.  A good percentage of them either have web interfaces 
that are lacking in my opinion or development seems to have 
stopped.  See:

http://netsaint.sourceforge.net/docs/0_0_7/about.html#othermonitors



From:           	mjn <mjn@umn.edu>
> > Does anyone know of anything else like netsaint?  Just curious.  We're
> > using netsaint, and it works great, but I was wondering if there were
> > any other products out there which are similar (not commercial). 
> > Something PHP based maybe?
> 
> 
> http://www.bb4.com
> Big Brother is pretty cool, aside from being shell script based


Ethan Galstad
---
Email: galst001@umn.edu
Phone: (612)624-3725

From eric at urbanrage.com  Wed Jan 10 22:25:46 2001
From: eric at urbanrage.com (eric)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:36 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Imap daemons
References: <3A5C36C0.2090304@tcfreenet.org> <20010110083913.A15344@sorry.cs.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <3A5D35CA.11D68E51@urbanrage.com>

dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu wrote:

> On Wed, Jan 10, 2001 at 04:17:36AM -0600, Callum Lerwick wrote:
> > So what imap daemons are out there? There seems to be a few in debian
> > unstable, wu-imapd, courier-imapd and plain imapd. Which one should I be
> > using? Whats the difference? Do any of them do SSL?
> >
> Well, I dunno what deb imap packages there are, but there's no imap I know
> of that "does" SSL.  Imap, like any other insecure daemon, needs to be
> "wrapped" with SSL using stunnel or some other SSL wrapper.

The latest version of Cyrus Imap has built in ssl support (compiles against
openssl)

Eric

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From austad at marketwatch.com  Wed Jan 10 22:44:42 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:36 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] openGL on the root window
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10921B@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

Anyone really familiar with X programming?  Say I have an openGL program
that runs in a window, how would I modify that program to draw on the root
window instead?  Is it possible?  I have Xfree 4.0.2 with DRI loaded.

Jay

From tanner at real-time.com  Wed Jan 10 23:10:26 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:36 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Slow mailing list
Message-ID: <20010110231026.A19816@real-time.com>

The list is slow because there is several days of messages queued up for
delivery to a veldy.net address, and I cannot seem to get an MX OR an
SOA for this domain.

Anyone else?

$ whois veldy.net

   Domain servers in listed order:

   DNS3.REGISTER.COM                                 209.67.50.253     
   DNS4.REGISTER.COM                                 209.67.50.254    

$  dig  veldy.net soa
; <<>> DiG 8.2 <<>> veldy.net soa 
;; res options: init recurs defnam dnsrch
;; res_nsend to server default -- 206.10.252.1: Connection timed out


Puch! Timeout?

$ dig  @209.67.50.25 veldy.net soa
; <<>> DiG 8.2 <<>> @209.67.50.25 veldy.net soa 
; (1 server found)
;; res options: init recurs defnam dnsrch
;; res_nsend to server 209.67.50.25: Connection timed out

Double ouch.

All 10 queues are clogged with outgoing email to this person.


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From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com  Wed Jan 10 15:43:46 2001
From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:36 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] netsaint clones
Message-ID: <0G6Y0082EVF2YK@mail1.supervalu.com>

A good URL to take a look at is:

http://netsaint.sourceforge.net/docs/0_0_6/about.html#whatis

Look at the very bottom - it has quite a few links to other monitoring tools.

FYI - PHP would _not_ work for monitoring systems (as it does not allow itself
to run as a daemon)

Nick Reinking
netsaint_statd primary developer
From blutgens at sistina.com  Wed Jan 10 15:52:40 2001
From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:36 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] netsaint clones
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10920B@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Wed, Jan 10, 2001 at 12:30:52PM -0600
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10920B@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <20010110155240.B771@minime.sistina.com>

On Wed, Jan 10, 2001 at 12:30:52PM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote:
>Also, which list should we be sending to?  The real-time.com or the
>mn-linux.org list?  I see alot of people using the mn-linux.org list and I
>thought we weren't supposed to use that anymore, but I just tried sending to
>the real-time one about an hour ago and it still hasn't showed up on the
>list.
>
I send to mn-linux.org with no problem. My assistant has been trying
unsucessfully to subscribe after the change-over for several weeks and STILL
gets no mail. *shrug*
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Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:36 2005
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From austad at marketwatch.com  Thu Jan 11 00:28:16 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:36 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] netsaint clones
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10921D@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

I kinda wish netsaint had database support to store data and configuration
information, and used PHP for an interface.  We have some people that we
don't want touching netsaint config files, but we'd feel comfortable letting
them use a GUI to make changes.  I haven't played with the module for
netsaint that will let you edit configs yet though.  

Lucent makes some product which is a combination of netsaint and MRTG with a
pretty interface.  They charge some crazy amount for the number of hosts
that we need to monitor, honestly, I don't know what they're smoking.  



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ethan Galstad [mailto:galst001@tc.umn.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 8:24 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] netsaint clones
> 
> 
> Big Brother (www.bb4.com) is probably one of the most widely 
> used monitoring apps.  Its not GPL'ed, but there is only a license 
> fee if you're using it for commercial purposes.  Mon probably runs a 
> close second as far as widespread use.  There is a section of the 
> NetSaint docs in which I list some other monitoring apps that are 
> out there.  A good percentage of them either have web interfaces 
> that are lacking in my opinion or development seems to have 
> stopped.  See:
> 
> http://netsaint.sourceforge.net/docs/0_0_7/about.html#othermonitors
> 
> 
> 
> From:           	mjn <mjn@umn.edu>
> > > Does anyone know of anything else like netsaint?  Just 
> curious.  We're
> > > using netsaint, and it works great, but I was wondering 
> if there were
> > > any other products out there which are similar (not commercial). 
> > > Something PHP based maybe?
> > 
> > 
> > http://www.bb4.com
> > Big Brother is pretty cool, aside from being shell script based
> 
> 
> Ethan Galstad
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From drew at usfamily.net  Thu Jan 11 13:50:12 2001
From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:37 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Booting Pcmcia
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10921D@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <005801c07c07$b6ffb300$4d9a0ace@ancor.com>

I just installed Redhat 6.2 on my laptop last night. The whole instalation
went with out a single glitch. Every thing was found, and the Lcd display
works just fine. However when I rebooted, as the diferent modules start to
load it pauses on starting PCMCIA, and will not continue. I've waited for
about two or three minutes and still nothing would happen, it would just sit
there. The only way I can get any controll back is to turn it off and then
back on. Is there any way that this problem can be fixed, assuming that I
may be able to find a way to get into the shell.



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From tanner at real-time.com  Thu Jan 11 11:55:28 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:37 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] netsaint clones
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10921D@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 12:28:16AM -0600
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10921D@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <20010111115528.J19816@real-time.com>

Quoting Austad, Jay (austad@marketwatch.com):
> I kinda wish netsaint had database support to store data and configuration
> information, and used PHP for an interface.  We have some people that we
> don't want touching netsaint config files, but we'd feel comfortable letting
> them use a GUI to make changes.  I haven't played with the module for
> netsaint that will let you edit configs yet though.  
> 
> Lucent makes some product which is a combination of netsaint and MRTG with a
> pretty interface.  They charge some crazy amount for the number of hosts
> that we need to monitor, honestly, I don't know what they're smoking.  

Go to netsaint's web site, there are some admin plugins. why they work on the
flatfiles, this might be better then hand editing.
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From austad at marketwatch.com  Thu Jan 11 01:07:19 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:37 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] netsaint clones
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109220@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

> FYI - PHP would _not_ work for monitoring systems (as it does 
> not allow itself
> to run as a daemon)

I know.  But it would be nice to have the web interface written in PHP for
easy modification.  If netsaint stored the configs in a database, it would
make life much easier.  It could also store it's collected data in the DB
for running nice querie's through a PHP page.  Set it up to grab router
bandwidth stats every 5 minutes and dump it in the DB, and generate pretty
graphs dynamically.  You'd obviously still have a little daemon that runs to
control probes and gather data.

jay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com
> [mailto:Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 3:44 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] netsaint clones
> 
> 
> A good URL to take a look at is:
> 
> http://netsaint.sourceforge.net/docs/0_0_6/about.html#whatis
> 
> Look at the very bottom - it has quite a few links to other 
> monitoring tools.
> 
> FYI - PHP would _not_ work for monitoring systems (as it does 
> not allow itself
> to run as a daemon)
> 
> Nick Reinking
> netsaint_statd primary developer
> 

From dcsherman at qwest.net  Thu Jan 11 14:30:26 2001
From: dcsherman at qwest.net (Dave Sherman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:37 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Booting Pcmcia
In-Reply-To: <005801c07c07$b6ffb300$4d9a0ace@ancor.com>
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10921D@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010111122756.009f56a0@pop.mpls.qwest.net>

I hit the same problem with RH 6.0. The card I have is a 3Com CardBus 
10/100. The solution I found was to download, compile and install the 
latest PCMCIA source module. It worked fine after that. More recently, I 
installed Mandrake 7.2 and my card worked fine immediately.

Dave

At 11:50 AM 01/11/2001 -0800, you wrote:
>I just installed Redhat 6.2 on my laptop last night. The whole instalation
>went with out a single glitch. Every thing was found, and the Lcd display
>works just fine. However when I rebooted, as the diferent modules start to
>load it pauses on starting PCMCIA, and will not continue. I've waited for
>about two or three minutes and still nothing would happen, it would just sit
>there. The only way I can get any controll back is to turn it off and then
>back on. Is there any way that this problem can be fixed, assuming that I
>may be able to find a way to get into the shell.
>
>
>
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From lanbarnes at earthlink.net  Thu Jan 11 12:30:40 2001
From: lanbarnes at earthlink.net (Lan Barnes)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:37 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Booting Pcmcia
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10921D@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> <005801c07c07$b6ffb300$4d9a0ace@ancor.com>
Message-ID: <3A5DFBD0.1C3B3312@earthlink.net>

A couple of thoughts:

1. wait considerably longer. It _will_ time out
2. boot interactively by pressing "I" when you see the "Welcome to RedHat
Linux" msg. This will let you skip the PCMCIA load. 
3. examine your logs to find out why the PCMCIA load is failing. cat
/var/log/messages|grep pcmcia.
4. check /etc/sysconfig/pcmcia to make sure it's turned on and has a
driver. Mine (Hitachi laptop) reads:

PCMCIA=yes
PCIC=i82365
PCIC_OPTS=
CORE_OPTS=

HTH,

Andrew Nemchenko wrote:
> 
> I just installed Redhat 6.2 on my laptop last night. The whole instalation
> went with out a single glitch. Every thing was found, and the Lcd display
> works just fine. However when I rebooted, as the diferent modules start to
> load it pauses on starting PCMCIA, and will not continue. I've waited for
> about two or three minutes and still nothing would happen, it would just sit
> there. The only way I can get any controll back is to turn it off and then
> back on. Is there any way that this problem can be fixed, assuming that I
> may be able to find a way to get into the shell.


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Icon Consulting, Inc       858-273-6677

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 Then they laugh at you,
  Then they fight you,
   Then you win.
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From drew at usfamily.net  Thu Jan 11 14:45:07 2001
From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:37 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Booting Pcmcia
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10921D@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> <5.0.2.1.0.20010111122756.009f56a0@pop.mpls.qwest.net>
Message-ID: <006801c07c0f$6349aba0$4d9a0ace@ancor.com>

The thing is is that I have tried just taking the card out and it still
frezes at pcmcia at boot up.



----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Sherman <dcsherman@qwest.net>
To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Booting Pcmcia


> I hit the same problem with RH 6.0. The card I have is a 3Com CardBus
> 10/100. The solution I found was to download, compile and install the
> latest PCMCIA source module. It worked fine after that. More recently, I
> installed Mandrake 7.2 and my card worked fine immediately.
>
> Dave
>
> At 11:50 AM 01/11/2001 -0800, you wrote:
> >I just installed Redhat 6.2 on my laptop last night. The whole
instalation
> >went with out a single glitch. Every thing was found, and the Lcd display
> >works just fine. However when I rebooted, as the diferent modules start
to
> >load it pauses on starting PCMCIA, and will not continue. I've waited for
> >about two or three minutes and still nothing would happen, it would just
sit
> >there. The only way I can get any controll back is to turn it off and
then
> >back on. Is there any way that this problem can be fixed, assuming that I
> >may be able to find a way to get into the shell.
> >
> >
> >
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>
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From jcook at k-lug.com  Thu Jan 11 12:52:57 2001
From: jcook at k-lug.com (Cook, Justin S.)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:37 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] netsaint clones
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109220@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <005201c07bff$b6c032a0$b815020a@winona.msus.edu>

no it cant be run as a daemon, but why not just have it auto-refresh
whenever you wanted it to with JS that even works in Netscape?

Justin Cook
mailto:jsc@themes.org

----- Original Message -----
From: Austad, Jay <austad@marketwatch.com>
To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 1:07 AM
Subject: RE: [TCLUG] netsaint clones


> > FYI - PHP would _not_ work for monitoring systems (as it does
> > not allow itself
> > to run as a daemon)
>
> I know.  But it would be nice to have the web interface written in PHP for
> easy modification.  If netsaint stored the configs in a database, it would
> make life much easier.  It could also store it's collected data in the DB
> for running nice querie's through a PHP page.  Set it up to grab router
> bandwidth stats every 5 minutes and dump it in the DB, and generate pretty
> graphs dynamically.  You'd obviously still have a little daemon that runs
to
> control probes and gather data.
>
> jay
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com
> > [mailto:Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 3:44 PM
> > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] netsaint clones
> >
> >
> > A good URL to take a look at is:
> >
> > http://netsaint.sourceforge.net/docs/0_0_6/about.html#whatis
> >
> > Look at the very bottom - it has quite a few links to other
> > monitoring tools.
> >
> > FYI - PHP would _not_ work for monitoring systems (as it does
> > not allow itself
> > to run as a daemon)
> >
> > Nick Reinking
> > netsaint_statd primary developer
> >
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From jasonj at innominatus.com  Thu Jan 11 13:09:04 2001
From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:37 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] netsaint clones
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109220@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <3A5E04D0.C81CD95D@innominatus.com>

The database interaction is on their to do list, so its coming...
I dont see anything about PHP though.

http://netsaint.sourceforge.net/upcoming.php




"Austad, Jay" wrote:

> > FYI - PHP would _not_ work for monitoring systems (as it does
> > not allow itself
> > to run as a daemon)
>
> I know.  But it would be nice to have the web interface written in PHP for
> easy modification.  If netsaint stored the configs in a database, it would
> make life much easier.  It could also store it's collected data in the DB
> for running nice querie's through a PHP page.  Set it up to grab router
> bandwidth stats every 5 minutes and dump it in the DB, and generate pretty
> graphs dynamically.  You'd obviously still have a little daemon that runs to
> control probes and gather data.
>
> jay
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com
> > [mailto:Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 3:44 PM
> > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] netsaint clones
> >
> >
> > A good URL to take a look at is:
> >
> > http://netsaint.sourceforge.net/docs/0_0_6/about.html#whatis
> >
> > Look at the very bottom - it has quite a few links to other
> > monitoring tools.
> >
> > FYI - PHP would _not_ work for monitoring systems (as it does
> > not allow itself
> > to run as a daemon)
> >
> > Nick Reinking
> > netsaint_statd primary developer
> >
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From jcook at k-lug.com  Thu Jan 11 12:55:03 2001
From: jcook at k-lug.com (Cook, Justin S.)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:37 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Indy For Sale
References: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0101101647560.2400-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <006501c07c00$016c68a0$b815020a@winona.msus.edu>

I can anty 200+shipping to byron,mn...outside of rochester,mn. Any monitor
with it to? Specs of monitor?

Justin Cook
mailto:jsc@themes.org

----- Original Message -----
From: Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>
To: Twin Cities Linux User Group <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 4:57 PM
Subject: [TCLUG] Indy For Sale


> You guys remember that deal we were trying to swing for a bunch of Indy's?
> Well, I got the test machine back then. I played with it a bit, and the
> bad part is, it's been sitting on my desk for HOW many months, and I
> haven't had a chance to mess with it anymore. Anyone out there with some
> time to tinker want to buy it?
>
> Here's the specs:
>
> R4400 133mhz processor
> 128mb True Parity memory (upgraded from 64)
> 2x2gb Hard Drives (One with IRIX 6.5.x on it (not licensed), the other
> with Linux on it (kinda works)
> 24-bit Video Card (I bought it seperatly, so I'll also throw in the 8-bit
> card)
> 2 IndyCam's (I picked up one new with the video card and one from Ebay)
> IRIX 5.3 CD (Untested; I bought it from Ebay)
>
> Asking $400 OBO. Pick up during business hours at Real Time's office in
> Eden Prairie, or we can arrange dropoff/shipment/pickup.
>
> I know the machine works; I played with it quite a bit. I've also got a
> bunch of GNU stuff installed under IRIX (GCC, WindowMaker, etc).
>
> It's a fun toy, and I'd like someone who actually has some time on their
> hands to be able to play with it.  :)
>
> --
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From galst001 at tc.umn.edu  Thu Jan 11 13:57:12 2001
From: galst001 at tc.umn.edu (Ethan Galstad)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:37 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] netsaint clones
In-Reply-To: <3A5E04D0.C81CD95D@innominatus.com>
Message-ID: <iss.3871.3a5e0fa4.3e936.1@mhub7.tc.umn.edu>

The main reason the config data has not been supported in a DB yet is for 
two reasons (a) the config hasn't quite stabilized yet and (b) no one has 
submitted a propsed schema that people agree upon.    Most everything else 
(status data, retention data, comments, etc.) can now (read 0.0.7 alphas) be 
stored in MySQL and (hopefully) PostgreSQL databases.

On 11 Jan 01, at 13:09, Jason J wrote:

> The database interaction is on their to do list, so its coming...
> I dont see anything about PHP though.
> 
> http://netsaint.sourceforge.net/upcoming.php
> 
> 
> 
> 
> "Austad, Jay" wrote:
> 
> > > FYI - PHP would _not_ work for monitoring systems (as it does
> > > not allow itself
> > > to run as a daemon)
> >
> > I know.  But it would be nice to have the web interface written in PHP for
> > easy modification.  If netsaint stored the configs in a database, it would
> > make life much easier.  It could also store it's collected data in the DB for
> > running nice querie's through a PHP page.  Set it up to grab router bandwidth
> > stats every 5 minutes and dump it in the DB, and generate pretty graphs
> > dynamically.  You'd obviously still have a little daemon that runs to control
> > probes and gather data.
> >


Ethan Galstad
Web and Database Developer
---
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Fax:   (612)625-2207

From cop7586 at hotmail.com  Thu Jan 11 14:45:49 2001
From: cop7586 at hotmail.com (Chris Opp)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:37 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Fwd: FW: [SunRescue] IT Talk
Message-ID: <F76ud7bqV0tpw4SvcDf00008578@hotmail.com>



>From: "Chris Copp" <copp@bbcusa.com>
>To: <cop7586@hotmail.com>
>Subject: FW: [SunRescue] IT Talk
>Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:30:08 -06
>
>
>
> >From: "" <walubank@hotmail.com>
> >To: walubank@hotmail.com
> >Subject: IT Talk
> >Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 15:37:22
> >
> >              *************************************
> >I was hanging out in a SCSI bar. A loud bandwidth played in the corner.
> >I gave the place a binary search. I saw a little chip in the corner.
> >She SIMMed like a pro.  What a C-Shell. I traversed over to her.
> >She pressed her Apples against me. "Hey, Mac, do you have a hard
> >drive?"
> >"No, but I do have a floppy" I replied.
> >
> >"Well, then you need an Amiga" she said.
> >
> >"Vi?"
> >
> >"Well, if I was your Amiga, we could interface."
> >
> >We went to a motel on a VESA local bus. The motel was SCSI-2. It needed 
>to
> >be debugged.
> >
> >"She echo you are so cute" I realised she has changed mode to 777
> >right away. She had a mind like a.. like a..  freeware.
> >
> >She stripped her binaries. It was quite a procedure. "I'm going to  turn
> >your floppy into a hard drive" she transmitted.                  She
> >started to spreadsheet.
> >She pointed to the Queen size bed and said, thats the mountpoint.
> >I said, OK. I said in my mind I have to mount the file system.
> >"So,  she said are you ready to RAM?" she called.
> >We started paging and swaping.
> >       I had been troubleshooting everything. I sent a signal. It was 
>time
> >for the trap. All the agents bursted thru the gateway.
> >
> >       My manager was with them. "Awk! It's a RAID!" she said. "Don't
> >arrest me! I'm a motherboard! How will I explain this to my Sun?"
> >
> >echo $FUN, "women are just like a filesystem, if you have the right
> >permission, sticky-bit!
> >
> >The agents were not responding. They got ready to stop her process.
> >She was getting desperate. "Hey, I could do a favor for all of you. I'm
> >fully multitaskiing. It didn't work. We're all UNIX.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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From andy at theasis.com  Thu Jan 11 08:16:27 2001
From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:37 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Slow mailing list
In-Reply-To: <20010110231026.A19816@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0101110815550.16804-100000@desmodus.theasis.com>


On Wed, 10 Jan 2001, Bob Tanner wrote:

> The list is slow because there is several days of messages queued up for
> delivery to a veldy.net address, and I cannot seem to get an MX OR an
> SOA for this domain.
> 
> Anyone else?

Why not bug the zone contact?

   Zone Contact:
      Thomas T. Veldhouse
      Thomas Veldhouse
      2629 South Heights Drive NW
      Coon Rapids, MN 55433
      US
      Phone: 763-767-9025
      Email: veldy71@yahoo.com

Andy


From drew at usfamily.net  Thu Jan 11 11:39:35 2001
From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:37 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] cant boot pcmcia
Message-ID: <002601c07bf5$76f14060$4d9a0ace@ancor.com>

I just installed Redhat 6.2 on my laptop last night. The whole instalation went with out a single glitch. Every thing was found, and the Lcd display works just fine. However when I rebooted, as the diferent modules start to load it pauses on starting PCMCIA, and will not continue. I've waited for about two or three minutes and still nothing would happen, it would just sit there. The only way I can get any controll back is to turn it off and then back on. Is there any way that this problem can be fixed, assuming that I may be able to find a way to get into the shell.



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From blutgens at sistina.com  Thu Jan 11 10:04:31 2001
From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:38 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] openGL on the root window
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10921B@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Wed, Jan 10, 2001 at 10:44:42PM -0600
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10921B@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <20010111100430.F1375@minime.sistina.com>

On Wed, Jan 10, 2001 at 10:44:42PM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote:
>Anyone really familiar with X programming?  Say I have an openGL program
>that runs in a window, how would I modify that program to draw on the root
>window instead?  Is it possible?  I have Xfree 4.0.2 with DRI loaded.


I don't think you want to do that unless you have an incredibly mean ass
machine. It would probably make the box unusable. 

>
>Jay
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From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu  Thu Jan 11 20:35:44 2001
From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:38 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] openGL on the root window
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10921B@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> <20010111100430.F1375@minime.sistina.com>
Message-ID: <3A5E6D80.91EEE4C3@tc.umn.edu>

Ben Lutgens wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Jan 10, 2001 at 10:44:42PM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote:
> >Anyone really familiar with X programming?  Say I have an openGL program
> >that runs in a window, how would I modify that program to draw on the root
> >window instead?  Is it possible?  I have Xfree 4.0.2 with DRI loaded.
> 
> I don't think you want to do that unless you have an incredibly mean ass
> machine. It would probably make the box unusable.

Um, not if DRI works and the scene being rendered isn't overly
complicated..

I've run OpenGL programs on the root window before -- the GL
screensavers in xscreensaver (and other screen-locking packages) are
able to do this.  It's kind of cool to have spinning 3D gears as your
desktop background ;-)

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From austad at marketwatch.com  Thu Jan 11 11:08:50 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:38 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Slow mailing list
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109224@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

If you can't clear the queue of individual messages, make your mailserver
accept mail for veldy.com and send it all to /dev/null.  Depending on your
mail server software, you might have to tell your dns it's authoritative for
veldy.com and make the MX point to your mailserver.

I run qmail on some of my mailservers, and I'm pretty sure there's no way
for me to remove individual messages without screwing stuff up.

Jay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Tanner [mailto:tanner@real-time.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 11:10 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: [TCLUG] Slow mailing list
> 
> 
> The list is slow because there is several days of messages 
> queued up for
> delivery to a veldy.net address, and I cannot seem to get an MX OR an
> SOA for this domain.
> 
> Anyone else?
> 
> $ whois veldy.net
> 
>    Domain servers in listed order:
> 
>    DNS3.REGISTER.COM                                 
> 209.67.50.253     
>    DNS4.REGISTER.COM                                 209.67.50.254    
> 
> $  dig  veldy.net soa
> ; <<>> DiG 8.2 <<>> veldy.net soa 
> ;; res options: init recurs defnam dnsrch
> ;; res_nsend to server default -- 206.10.252.1: Connection timed out
> 
> 
> Puch! Timeout?
> 
> $ dig  @209.67.50.25 veldy.net soa
> ; <<>> DiG 8.2 <<>> @209.67.50.25 veldy.net soa 
> ; (1 server found)
> ;; res options: init recurs defnam dnsrch
> ;; res_nsend to server 209.67.50.25: Connection timed out
> 
> Double ouch.
> 
> All 10 queues are clogged with outgoing email to this person.
> 
> 
> -- 
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From foeclan at winternet.com  Thu Jan 11 21:48:09 2001
From: foeclan at winternet.com (Michael Vieths)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:38 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] NVidia 0.95/Kernel 2.4.0 driver patch
Message-ID: <3A5E7E79.30808@winternet.com>

I managed to cobble together a patch to get NVdriver 0.9-5 working under 
kernel 2.4.0 (release).  It can be grabbed from 
http://www.winternet.com/~foeclan/files/nvpatch.  I tested it on kernel 
2.4.0, with 0.9-5, and XFree86 4.0.1.  I managed to play Unreal 
Tournament and Quake 3 with it installed, so it seems to be working ok.  
Just copy it into the NVIDIA_kernel-0.9-5 and 'patch -p0 <nvpatch'.

If you have any problems with it, please let me know off-list.  I don't 
have any affiliation with NVidia, and I figured it out mostly by being 
persistent, so I can't guarantee much help if it doesn't work for you, 
but I'll see what I can do.

Michael Vieths
Foeclan@Winternet.Com


From dieman at ringworld.org  Thu Jan 11 22:04:45 2001
From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:38 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] NVidia 0.95/Kernel 2.4.0 driver patch
In-Reply-To: <3A5E7E79.30808@winternet.com>; from foeclan@winternet.com on Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 09:48:09PM -0600
References: <3A5E7E79.30808@winternet.com>
Message-ID: <20010111220445.L21552@ringworld.org>

* Michael Vieths <foeclan@winternet.com> [010111 21:53]:
> I managed to cobble together a patch to get NVdriver 0.9-5 working under 
> kernel 2.4.0 (release).  It can be grabbed from 
> http://www.winternet.com/~foeclan/files/nvpatch.  I tested it on kernel 

There is also a patch on #nvidia on irc.debian.org .

-- 
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http://www.ringworld.org/  finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org

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	<Chomp chomp> Kupooo."
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From dieman at ringworld.org  Thu Jan 11 22:04:45 2001
From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:38 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] NVidia 0.95/Kernel 2.4.0 driver patch
In-Reply-To: <3A5E7E79.30808@winternet.com>; from foeclan@winternet.com on Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 09:48:09PM -0600
References: <3A5E7E79.30808@winternet.com>
Message-ID: <20010111220445.L21552@ringworld.org>

* Michael Vieths <foeclan@winternet.com> [010111 21:53]:
> I managed to cobble together a patch to get NVdriver 0.9-5 working under 
> kernel 2.4.0 (release).  It can be grabbed from 
> http://www.winternet.com/~foeclan/files/nvpatch.  I tested it on kernel 

There is also a patch on #nvidia on irc.debian.org .

-- 
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http://www.ringworld.org/  finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org

"Kupo, kupkup, kupopo...  Po... Kupo!?  KUPOPO!!!
	<Chomp chomp> Kupooo."
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From tanner at real-time.com  Thu Jan 11 23:03:34 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:38 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] If you are not redhat-mirror list, BETA 7.1 is coming
Message-ID: <20010111230334.Y27573@real-time.com>

If you are not on the TCLUG redhat-mirror list, this is a heads up that a BETA
7.1 RedHat is coming in the next couple of days.

So, if you where looking to leech 7.0, you might want to wait.

Here is the thread.

http://mailman.real-time.com/pipermail/redhat-mirror/2001-January/000544.html

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From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu  Fri Jan 12 00:35:17 2001
From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:38 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Enlightenment disappeared?
Message-ID: <3A5EA5A5.7906C696@tc.umn.edu>

Eh?

[mike@3po][~]$ host www.enlightenment.org
Host not found.
[mike@3po][~]$ nslookup enlightenment.org
Server:  nic.mr.net
Address:  137.192.240.5

*** nic.mr.net can't find enlightenment.org: Non-existent host/domain


fun fun fun...

By the way, has anyone played with any software that uses the new
XRender extension for displaying antialiased/smoothed text and glyphs? 
I figured that EFM would be a program that would do such a thing, but as
you can see, I'm not getting very far with that ;-)

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From tanner at real-time.com  Fri Jan 12 02:16:53 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:38 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Enlightenment disappeared?
In-Reply-To: <3A5EA5A5.7906C696@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Fri, Jan 12, 2001 at 12:35:17AM -0600
References: <3A5EA5A5.7906C696@tc.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <20010112021653.A441@real-time.com>

Quoting Michael Hicks (hick0088@tc.umn.edu):
> 
> Eh?
> 
> [mike@3po][~]$ host www.enlightenment.org
> Host not found.
> [mike@3po][~]$ nslookup enlightenment.org
> Server:  nic.mr.net
> Address:  137.192.240.5
> 
> *** nic.mr.net can't find enlightenment.org: Non-existent host/domain

I had DNS blink out on me too.

Several web sites disappeared on me. Netsaint caught it an paged me. Did an
nslookup, got nothing back just like you. Then a few minutes later. All was ok.

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From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu  Fri Jan 12 08:39:09 2001
From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:38 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Enlightenment disappeared?
References: <3A5EA5A5.7906C696@tc.umn.edu> <20010112021653.A441@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <3A5F170D.9FCE3544@tc.umn.edu>

Bob Tanner wrote:
> 
> Quoting Michael Hicks (hick0088@tc.umn.edu):
> >
> > Eh?
> >
> > [mike@3po][~]$ host www.enlightenment.org
> > Host not found.
> > [mike@3po][~]$ nslookup enlightenment.org
> > Server:  nic.mr.net
> > Address:  137.192.240.5
> >
> > *** nic.mr.net can't find enlightenment.org: Non-existent host/domain
> 
> I had DNS blink out on me too.
> 
> Several web sites disappeared on me. Netsaint caught it an paged me. Did an
> nslookup, got nothing back just like you. Then a few minutes later. All was ok.

Hm..

Unfortunately, it seems to be persisting today, and I don't get anything
from the U's DNS servers either.

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From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu  Fri Jan 12 08:48:22 2001
From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:38 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Enlightenment disappeared?
References: <3A5EA5A5.7906C696@tc.umn.edu> <20010112021653.A441@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <3A5F1936.A23BEA6F@tc.umn.edu>

heh..

$ whois enlightenment.org
[snip]

Registrant:
Mandrake's Network Services (ENLIGHTENMENT4-DOM)
   904 Lake Ridge Lane
   Dunwoody, GA 30338  US

   Domain Name: ENLIGHTENMENT.ORG

   Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Billing Contact:
      Harrison, Geoff  (GH629)  geoff@INTELLIMEDIA.COM
      Intellimedia Commerce, Inc.
      Two Piedmont Center - Suite 300
      Atlanta, GA 30305
      (404) 262-0000

   Record last updated on 09-Jan-2001.
-> Record expires on 10-Nov-2000. <-
   Record created on 09-Nov-1997.
   Database last updated on 12-Jan-2001 09:34:34 EST.

   Domain servers in listed order:

   NS1.VALINUX.COM              198.186.202.135
   NS2.VALINUX.COM              198.186.202.136

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From clay at fandre.com  Fri Jan 12 08:49:24 2001
From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:38 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG Meeting Announcement
Message-ID: <3A5F1974.7A5AD042@fandre.com>

What:	Twin Cities Linux Users Group Monthly Meeting 

When:	Saturday Jan 13th, 2001 noon until 2pm 

Topic:	SMTP Authentication, ORBS/MAPS, RSS, etc. 

Where:	Benchmark Computer Learning Center 
	4510 West 77th Street 
	Edina, MN 
	Directions to Benchmark
	http://www.benchmarklearning.com/Directions_to_Benchmark.asp

The seminar room is on the 2nd floor which is the floor you enter on
from the west side, while the east entrance comes in on the 1st floor. 

Parking:	Free parking.
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From clay at fandre.com  Fri Jan 12 10:12:59 2001
From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:38 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG Meeting Announcement
References: <3A5F1974.7A5AD042@fandre.com>
Message-ID: <3A5F2D0B.836E77CA@fandre.com>

OK. I made a BOO-BOO. This months meeting will NOT be on SMTP Auth,
ORBS/MAPS, etc. That will be next month. This month will be an open
discussion, unless someone haw something they would like to present.

Sorry about that.

Clay


Clay Fandre wrote:
> 
> What:   Twin Cities Linux Users Group Monthly Meeting
> 
> When:   Saturday Jan 13th, 2001 noon until 2pm
> 
> Topic:  SMTP Authentication, ORBS/MAPS, RSS, etc.
> 
> Where:  Benchmark Computer Learning Center
>         4510 West 77th Street
>         Edina, MN
>         Directions to Benchmark
>         http://www.benchmarklearning.com/Directions_to_Benchmark.asp
> 
> The seminar room is on the 2nd floor which is the floor you enter on
> from the west side, while the east entrance comes in on the 1st floor.
> 
> Parking:        Free parking.
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https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce

From tanner at real-time.com  Fri Jan 12 10:25:28 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:38 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Slashdot, Linux Today, now MS itself. Ballmer says Linux #1 threat.
Message-ID: <20010112102528.E27573@real-time.com>

Got this link from a friend inside MS. :-)

http://www.microsoft.com/msft/speech/BallmerMSDW01.htm

STEVE BALLMER: I think you have to rate competitors that threaten your core
higher than you rate competitors where you're trying to take from them. So in
some senses it puts the Linux phenomenon and the Unix phenomenon at the top of
the list. That really is job one for us, because that?s the threat to the
Windows business.  That's the threat through that to the Office business. So I'd
put the Linux phenomenon really as threat number one.


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From kent at structural-wood.com  Fri Jan 12 10:33:47 2001
From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:38 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] XFree86 4.02 and Voodoo 3000
References: <20010108143228918.AAA381@SUMO.printwareinc.com> <3A59E99B.84170839@structural-wood.com> <3A5BD794.405A1ECD@tc.umn.edu> <3A5C649A.76A5CB2E@structural-wood.com>
Message-ID: <3A5F31EB.264C4C94@structural-wood.com>

Kent Schumacher wrote:
>
> Does anybody have a working XFree86 4.xx with a Voodoo 3 (or Banshee?) and GL?
>
> Anybody know of any definitive links? Any advice????
>
It turns out the the Glide packages leave out a critical header for the XFree86
tdfx dri driver, causing the compilation of tdfx_dri.o to fail when doing make World.

To make the situation worse, make World does not stop the make process but continues
on and finally completes saying the make World worked (and of course, it does for
everything except GL).

At any rate, putting the missing glide header (G3ext.h) into the proper directory and
doing another make World, make install, makes everything work.

Running Heavy Gear II on an 800Mhz athlon seems pretty playable, although it does not
appear that fogging is working (or maybe HG2 doesn't use fogging).  Everything on the
horizon is crystal clear till it isn't.  Maybe I'm fighting on a desert planet...

Kent

From goldman at htc.honeywell.com  Fri Jan 12 16:24:47 2001
From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:39 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Question about Mandrake
Message-ID: <14943.33839.828231.375003@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com>

I've been running RedHat 6.2 systems and been pretty happy.  But now I
feel that I should be upgrading, but RedHat 7.0 seems to have a lot of
issues.  More than I want to deal with, anyway.

So, I was thinking about switching instead to Mandrake 7.2.  Any
recommendations pro or con?

I was particularly thinking of Mandrake because it seemed like the
best way to profit from my RedHat experience, as opposed to using SuSE
or Debian.  I don't mean to denigrate either of these distros, it's
just that I've gotten used to rpm's, etc.

Also, I'm not running servers, just i86 workstations, and my
impression was that this was what Mandrake aimed at, more than other
distros that emphasized server applications.

So, any comments?

Thanks!
Robert

From lanbarnes at earthlink.net  Fri Jan 12 16:47:38 2001
From: lanbarnes at earthlink.net (Lan Barnes)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:39 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Question about Mandrake
References: <14943.33839.828231.375003@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com>
Message-ID: <3A5F898A.DF67F8A5@earthlink.net>

"Robert P. Goldman" wrote:
> 
> I've been running RedHat 6.2 systems and been pretty happy.  But now I
> feel that I should be upgrading, but RedHat 7.0 seems to have a lot of
> issues.  More than I want to deal with, anyway.
> 
> So, I was thinking about switching instead to Mandrake 7.2.  Any
> recommendations pro or con?
> 
> I was particularly thinking of Mandrake because it seemed like the
> best way to profit from my RedHat experience, as opposed to using SuSE
> or Debian.  I don't mean to denigrate either of these distros, it's
> just that I've gotten used to rpm's, etc.
> 
> Also, I'm not running servers, just i86 workstations, and my
> impression was that this was what Mandrake aimed at, more than other
> distros that emphasized server applications.
> 

Reliable rumor has it that RH 7.1 beta iso images were just posted, so
another option is to wait a few weeks.

Red Hat rule of thumb:
  X.0 = bleeding edge
  X.0 = pretty nice
  X.2 = mmm-mmm good

. . . and then we start again :-)

-- 
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Icon Consulting, Inc       858-273-6677

Power corrupts. Absolute power is, uh, gee, kinda' neat!
                             - Dave Looney

From natecars at real-time.com  Fri Jan 12 16:59:05 2001
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:39 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Question about Mandrake
In-Reply-To: <3A5F898A.DF67F8A5@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0101121658520.32718-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Fri, 12 Jan 2001, Lan Barnes wrote:
> Reliable rumor has it that RH 7.1 beta iso images were just posted, so
> another option is to wait a few weeks.
>
> Red Hat rule of thumb:
>   X.0 = bleeding edge
>   X.0 = pretty nice
>   X.2 = mmm-mmm good
>
> . . . and then we start again :-)

Cool! .0 is bleeding edge AND pretty good?? :)

-- 
Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500



From jamie at getsetnet.net  Fri Jan 12 17:01:58 2001
From: jamie at getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:39 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Help with SIIG SCSI
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0101121659530.6192-100000@floyd.getsetnet.net>



    I am trying to find out whether or not the 2.2.14 kernel supports a
SIIG i940 SCSI controller card. I remember once running into a database
that held info on all the hardware Linux supports, but I can't find it
now. Can anyone point me in the right direction?


      - Jamie


From jack at jacku.com  Fri Jan 12 17:32:52 2001
From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:39 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Question about Mandrake
In-Reply-To: <14943.33839.828231.375003@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com>
References: <14943.33839.828231.375003@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com>
Message-ID: <01011217325201.01201@geezer>

My only comment on this would be that SuSE uses RPMs also. :-)

In fact most of the "Red Hat RPMs" posted of software out there will run out 
of the box with SuSE. (And the 7.0 Pro has 6 CDs(1 DVD) full of stuff.)

Your local SuSE bigot,
Jack

On Friday 12 January 2001 16:24, you wrote:
> I've been running RedHat 6.2 systems and been pretty happy.  But now I
> feel that I should be upgrading, but RedHat 7.0 seems to have a lot of
> issues.  More than I want to deal with, anyway.
>
> So, I was thinking about switching instead to Mandrake 7.2.  Any
> recommendations pro or con?
>
> I was particularly thinking of Mandrake because it seemed like the
> best way to profit from my RedHat experience, as opposed to using SuSE
> or Debian.  I don't mean to denigrate either of these distros, it's
> just that I've gotten used to rpm's, etc.
>
> Also, I'm not running servers, just i86 workstations, and my
> impression was that this was what Mandrake aimed at, more than other
> distros that emphasized server applications.
>
> So, any comments?
>
> Thanks!
> Robert
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

From austad at marketwatch.com  Fri Jan 12 17:34:17 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:39 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Question about Mandrake
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109249@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

I use Mandrake 7.2 both at home and at work for workstation use.  I even
have a couple of servers running it.  I like Mandrake much more than Redhat,
the install is nicer, supposedly it's faster since everything is compiled
with pentium optimizations, and I don't usually have to search for software
that I normally use because Mandrake comes with almost everything I need.

I've been installing HelixGnome also lately.  

Jay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nate Carlson [mailto:natecars@real-time.com]
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 4:59 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Question about Mandrake
> 
> 
> On Fri, 12 Jan 2001, Lan Barnes wrote:
> > Reliable rumor has it that RH 7.1 beta iso images were just 
> posted, so
> > another option is to wait a few weeks.
> >
> > Red Hat rule of thumb:
> >   X.0 = bleeding edge
> >   X.0 = pretty nice
> >   X.2 = mmm-mmm good
> >
> > . . . and then we start again :-)
> 
> Cool! .0 is bleeding edge AND pretty good?? :)
> 
> -- 
> Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
> http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

From seg at haxxed.com  Fri Jan 12 18:29:05 2001
From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:39 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Question about Mandrake
References: <14943.33839.828231.375003@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com>
Message-ID: <3A5FA151.7090101@haxxed.com>

> So, I was thinking about switching instead to Mandrake 7.2.  Any
> recommendations pro or con?

DONT DO IT! Mandrake has a pretty spiff install and such, but all their 
development packages are broken, broken, broken. Soon as you try 
compiling any extra software, you're out of luck. Half the packages are 
missing the libraries they should have, and at least with 7.1 and 7.0 
they downright forgot the C++ header files, meaning you couldn't compile 
C++ code at all. I had to copy them over from a redhat system. Have they 
even fixed this in 7.2?


From seg at haxxed.com  Fri Jan 12 18:36:03 2001
From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:39 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Booting Pcmcia
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10921D@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> <5.0.2.1.0.20010111122756.009f56a0@pop.mpls.qwest.net> <006801c07c0f$6349aba0$4d9a0ace@ancor.com>
Message-ID: <3A5FA2F3.40106@haxxed.com>

Andrew Nemchenko wrote:

> The thing is is that I have tried just taking the card out and it still
> 
> frezes at pcmcia at boot up.

I had a problem like this too, turns out the probing for available IO 
space that PCMCIA did was hanging this particular laptop hard. The 
solution was to turn off all the resource probing. But of course I 
couldn't find any way to do this in RedHat's install so I installed 
slackware, which had the same problem but at least I could hack the boot 
disk and fix it. I think I still have a copy of the config somewhere...

But the latest PCMCIA doesn't seem to have this problem anymore anyway, 
at least on this laptop...


From kelly.black at testquest.com  Fri Jan 12 18:36:29 2001
From: kelly.black at testquest.com (Kelly Black)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:39 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Question about Mandrake
In-Reply-To: <3A5FA151.7090101@haxxed.com>; from seg@haxxed.com on Fri, Jan 12, 2001 at 06:29:05PM -0600
References: <14943.33839.828231.375003@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> <3A5FA151.7090101@haxxed.com>
Message-ID: <20010112183629.A22520@testquest.com>

Change to Slack or Deb.

Kelly Black
(Smart ass)

On Fri, Jan 12, 2001 at 06:29:05PM -0600, Callum Lerwick wrote:
> > So, I was thinking about switching instead to Mandrake 7.2.  Any
> > recommendations pro or con?
> 
> DONT DO IT! Mandrake has a pretty spiff install and such, but all their 
> development packages are broken, broken, broken. Soon as you try 
> compiling any extra software, you're out of luck. Half the packages are 
> missing the libraries they should have, and at least with 7.1 and 7.0 
> they downright forgot the C++ header files, meaning you couldn't compile 
> C++ code at all. I had to copy them over from a redhat system. Have they 
> even fixed this in 7.2?

From kelly.black at testquest.com  Fri Jan 12 18:39:35 2001
From: kelly.black at testquest.com (Kelly Black)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:39 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Booting Pcmcia
In-Reply-To: <3A5FA2F3.40106@haxxed.com>; from seg@haxxed.com on Fri, Jan 12, 2001 at 06:36:03PM -0600
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10921D@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> <5.0.2.1.0.20010111122756.009f56a0@pop.mpls.qwest.net> <006801c07c0f$6349aba0$4d9a0ace@ancor.com> <3A5FA2F3.40106@haxxed.com>
Message-ID: <20010112183935.B22520@testquest.com>

I had the same problem with an old TI laptop.  I had to tell a range of addresses to skip over during the probe.  I found this by doing a search for the name of the machine on the net for issues with pcmcia.

Kelly Black

On Fri, Jan 12, 2001 at 06:36:03PM -0600, Callum Lerwick wrote:
> Andrew Nemchenko wrote:
> 
> > The thing is is that I have tried just taking the card out and it still
> > 
> > frezes at pcmcia at boot up.
> 
> I had a problem like this too, turns out the probing for available IO 
> space that PCMCIA did was hanging this particular laptop hard. The 
> solution was to turn off all the resource probing. But of course I 
> couldn't find any way to do this in RedHat's install so I installed 
> slackware, which had the same problem but at least I could hack the boot 
> disk and fix it. I think I still have a copy of the config somewhere...
> 
> But the latest PCMCIA doesn't seem to have this problem anymore anyway, 
> at least on this laptop...

From dcsherman at qwest.net  Fri Jan 12 21:26:15 2001
From: dcsherman at qwest.net (Dave)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:39 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Question about Mandrake
In-Reply-To: <14943.33839.828231.375003@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010112212128.009ecec0@pop.mpls.uswest.net>

I've been running Mandrake 7.2 on my ThinkPad for several months now, and 
it runs beautifully. I really like DrakUpdate, which automatically goes out 
and finds security/other updates for all installed packages, downloads and 
installs them automatically. I have had no problems compiling several 
programs for which only source was available, so apparently the "missing 
C++ header files" problem someone else here mentioned with 7.0 and 7.1 no 
longer exists.

Before switching to Mandrake, I was running Caldera eDesktop 2.4 (also 
pretty good for a workstation user), and before that, Redhat 6.0 (awful! 
just like someone else said: Redhat's x.0 releases == bleeding edge == buggy).

Dave

At 04:24 PM 1/12/01 -0600, you wrote:

>I've been running RedHat 6.2 systems and been pretty happy.  But now I
>feel that I should be upgrading, but RedHat 7.0 seems to have a lot of
>issues.  More than I want to deal with, anyway.
>
>So, I was thinking about switching instead to Mandrake 7.2.  Any
>recommendations pro or con?
>
>I was particularly thinking of Mandrake because it seemed like the
>best way to profit from my RedHat experience, as opposed to using SuSE
>or Debian.  I don't mean to denigrate either of these distros, it's
>just that I've gotten used to rpm's, etc.
>
>Also, I'm not running servers, just i86 workstations, and my
>impression was that this was what Mandrake aimed at, more than other
>distros that emphasized server applications.
>
>So, any comments?
>
>Thanks!
>Robert
>_______________________________________________
>tclug-list mailing list
>tclug-list@mn-linux.org
>https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

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(Go figure it out.)


From austad at marketwatch.com  Fri Jan 12 21:56:51 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:39 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Question about Mandrake
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10924B@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

I haven't had any trouble compiling C++ proggies either.  Works great for
me.  I selected individual packages though, and by default, some of the
development stuff is not selected.  

Jay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave [mailto:dcsherman@qwest.net]
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 9:26 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Question about Mandrake
> 
> 
> I've been running Mandrake 7.2 on my ThinkPad for several 
> months now, and 
> it runs beautifully. I really like DrakUpdate, which 
> automatically goes out 
> and finds security/other updates for all installed packages, 
> downloads and 
> installs them automatically. I have had no problems compiling several 
> programs for which only source was available, so apparently 
> the "missing 
> C++ header files" problem someone else here mentioned with 
> 7.0 and 7.1 no 
> longer exists.
> 
> Before switching to Mandrake, I was running Caldera eDesktop 
> 2.4 (also 
> pretty good for a workstation user), and before that, Redhat 
> 6.0 (awful! 
> just like someone else said: Redhat's x.0 releases == 
> bleeding edge == buggy).
> 
> Dave
> 
> At 04:24 PM 1/12/01 -0600, you wrote:
> 
> >I've been running RedHat 6.2 systems and been pretty happy.  
> But now I
> >feel that I should be upgrading, but RedHat 7.0 seems to 
> have a lot of
> >issues.  More than I want to deal with, anyway.
> >
> >So, I was thinking about switching instead to Mandrake 7.2.  Any
> >recommendations pro or con?
> >
> >I was particularly thinking of Mandrake because it seemed like the
> >best way to profit from my RedHat experience, as opposed to 
> using SuSE
> >or Debian.  I don't mean to denigrate either of these distros, it's
> >just that I've gotten used to rpm's, etc.
> >
> >Also, I'm not running servers, just i86 workstations, and my
> >impression was that this was what Mandrake aimed at, more than other
> >distros that emphasized server applications.
> >
> >So, any comments?
> >
> >Thanks!
> >Robert
> >_______________________________________________
> >tclug-list mailing list
> >tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
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> 01101111 01101110 
> 01100111   01101100 01101001 01110110 01100101   01100100 
> 01101001 01100111 
> 01101001 01110100 01100001 01101100
> (Go figure it out.)
> 
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

From blutgens at sistina.com  Fri Jan 12 22:02:23 2001
From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:39 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Question about Mandrake
In-Reply-To: <20010112183629.A22520@testquest.com>; from kelly.black@testquest.com on Fri, Jan 12, 2001 at 06:36:29PM -0600
References: <14943.33839.828231.375003@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> <3A5FA151.7090101@haxxed.com> <20010112183629.A22520@testquest.com>
Message-ID: <20010112220223.A721@minime.sistina.com>

On Fri, Jan 12, 2001 at 06:36:29PM -0600, Kelly Black wrote:
>Change to Slack or Deb.

That's the spirit!!

>
>Kelly Black
>(Smart ass)
>
>On Fri, Jan 12, 2001 at 06:29:05PM -0600, Callum Lerwick wrote:
>> > So, I was thinking about switching instead to Mandrake 7.2.  Any
>> > recommendations pro or con?
>> 
>> DONT DO IT! Mandrake has a pretty spiff install and such, but all their 
>> development packages are broken, broken, broken. Soon as you try 
>> compiling any extra software, you're out of luck. Half the packages are 
>> missing the libraries they should have, and at least with 7.1 and 7.0 
>> they downright forgot the C++ header files, meaning you couldn't compile 
>> C++ code at all. I had to copy them over from a redhat system. Have they 
>> even fixed this in 7.2?
>_______________________________________________
>tclug-list mailing list
>tclug-list@mn-linux.org
>https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

-- 
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Sistina Software Inc.	work: 612.379.5941
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From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu  Fri Jan 12 23:49:26 2001
From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:39 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] movies
Message-ID: <3A5FEC66.764AA5F8@tc.umn.edu>

Okay, was anyone else out there bored enough to go spend $7.50 to see
`Antitrust'?  I wouldn't be surprised if you don't want to admit it ;-)

The reason I'm posting, in case you all didn't know, is because there
may be a few of you who would watch the movie because of the two words
`open source.'  Now, you may be thinking, ``Open Source?  You can't say
that in a movie!  It's too cheesy!''  You would be right, but they did
it anyway.  More of you might see the movie because of Tim Robbins or
Rachel Leigh Cook (originally from Minneapolis, IIRC) -- those are
probably much better reasons ;-)

Anyway, my opinion is that the movie played like version 0.10 of Gnome. 
It looked kind of cool, but things just didn't work quite right and it
crashed a lot.  Fortunately, it looks like the f/x people actually
listened to John Hall, rather than inventing absolutely impossible
scenarios.  In most movies and TV shows, any scenes involving technology
make me groan, while the rest is usually okay.  This movie seemed to be
the other way around.  Sure, they did dumb stuff (Fool! rsh is
insecure!), but there was much less reaching beyond the realm of
possibility than what I might have expected (no looking around corners
in 2d images or hacking traffic lights in this movie).

The train wrecks in Antitrust are in the parts that are really supposed
to make it a thriller.  Tim Robbins did a good job (duh), but the others
just didn't stand up.  IMHO, it seemed more like a problem of bad
directing than bad acting.  I guess the writer and director are probably
much more suited to comedies (what they've mostly done before, according
to IMDB) than thrillers..

If you have a desire to see this movie, I'd probably suggest waiting for
it to come out on video, and then borrowing it from someone else who
rented it ;-)

-- 
 _  _  _  _ _  ___    _ _  _  ___ _ _  __   It is bad luck to be 
/ \/ \(_)| ' // ._\  / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__   superstitious. 
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[ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ]

From jethro at freakzilla.com  Fri Jan 12 23:57:35 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:39 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] movies
In-Reply-To: <3A5FEC66.764AA5F8@tc.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0101122356040.26561-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>

  Hi,

On Fri, 12 Jan 2001, Michael Hicks wrote:

> Okay, was anyone else out there bored enough to go spend $7.50 to see
> `Antitrust'?  I wouldn't be surprised if you don't want to admit it ;-)

I still refuse to watch any computer-centric movie. Bad enough I got
tricked into that big fakenet thing in Goldeneye.

I wish 'Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon' was showing at a decent theatre!
Michelle Yeoh rules btw. And just to make this semi-on-topic, anyone want
my Michelle Yeoh desktop background? (:


-Yaron

--


From ben at nerp.net  Sat Jan 13 00:51:40 2001
From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:39 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] movies
In-Reply-To: <3A5FEC66.764AA5F8@tc.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0101130038240.6077-100000@chef>

here's my take on technology movie making.  hopefully everyone has seen
"hackers", and most of you probably go "ewwww, what a crappy movie".  if
you thought it was crap, you missed the point, by focusing your geek brain
on things that were not supposed to matter.. which is where the writers
made their big mistake, and I think hollywood writers continue to make
mistakes.  I'm going to make a few examples, and give some correct, and
incorrect useage of technology in movies.  this might get long winded, so
bare with me.  the big problem that I see, is hollywood writers are trying
to make themselvs look cool, by using real-world technology terms that the
non-tehcnical people in the audience will go "oo! ahhh!" over.  this is a
big mistake, in the movie hackers, the world is not the same as it is in
real life.  it's a fictious world, just like the world is fictious in the
matrix (if you havn't seen that one, you should be shot, then forced to
watch it :)  the problem is they made it too close to reality, no modems
arn't that fast, no GFX arn't that fancy, and no, you can't manipulate
most traffic lights like that. (or even sprinkler systems) but in the
world of "hackers"  it is possible, get over it, it wasn't the point of
the movie.  good examples are these: matrix, it's a fantasy world, none
of the technology is real, in the matrix reality, nor in the future world.
the audience is brought to that attention, immidiatly,  YES they used
minidisks for the less common data pourpous, but that's just a small,
iconic, usefull, and shiny prop.  and yes, they smashed their fingers on
LCD's that were most likely not really touchscreen.  but you gloss over
that, because it's not reality.
another example is startrek, untill recent years, they had excelent
writers, that used mostly babble technology, stuff that was either pure
theory, or didn't exist at all.  or they used things that were so
base-line like binary numbers, that it can't be dated.  maybe in 20 years,
some of the passwords they used, and the voiceprint id stuff will be too
insecure for use.  but they made it so obviously fictitious, that it
didn't invoke too much of your reality side of the brain.
Babylon 5 was also good in this respect.
"the net" is another example of trying to use too much real, existing
technology, trying to impress non-tech audiences.  all it would have taken
was a bit more effort, and they could have pulled off a much better
movie.. you must throw in things that don't really exist, and set the
placement of the movie far enough into the future that props you use,
won't exist before the movie is out.  otherwise you end up fighting movie
critics who like to poke fun in documentaries for historical inacurices.

my spelling is horrid, but my ideas are there.

Thank You,
        Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net)

 "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends."

On Fri, 12 Jan 2001, Michael Hicks wrote:

> Okay, was anyone else out there bored enough to go spend $7.50 to see
> `Antitrust'?  I wouldn't be surprised if you don't want to admit it ;-)
>
> The reason I'm posting, in case you all didn't know, is because there
> may be a few of you who would watch the movie because of the two words
> `open source.'  Now, you may be thinking, ``Open Source?  You can't say
> that in a movie!  It's too cheesy!''  You would be right, but they did
> it anyway.  More of you might see the movie because of Tim Robbins or
> Rachel Leigh Cook (originally from Minneapolis, IIRC) -- those are
> probably much better reasons ;-)
>
> Anyway, my opinion is that the movie played like version 0.10 of Gnome.
> It looked kind of cool, but things just didn't work quite right and it
> crashed a lot.  Fortunately, it looks like the f/x people actually
> listened to John Hall, rather than inventing absolutely impossible
> scenarios.  In most movies and TV shows, any scenes involving technology
> make me groan, while the rest is usually okay.  This movie seemed to be
> the other way around.  Sure, they did dumb stuff (Fool! rsh is
> insecure!), but there was much less reaching beyond the realm of
> possibility than what I might have expected (no looking around corners
> in 2d images or hacking traffic lights in this movie).
>
> The train wrecks in Antitrust are in the parts that are really supposed
> to make it a thriller.  Tim Robbins did a good job (duh), but the others
> just didn't stand up.  IMHO, it seemed more like a problem of bad
> directing than bad acting.  I guess the writer and director are probably
> much more suited to comedies (what they've mostly done before, according
> to IMDB) than thrillers..
>
> If you have a desire to see this movie, I'd probably suggest waiting for
> it to come out on video, and then borrowing it from someone else who
> rented it ;-)
>
> --
>  _  _  _  _ _  ___    _ _  _  ___ _ _  __   It is bad luck to be
> / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\  / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__   superstitious.
> \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/  \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __)
> [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ]
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>


From austad at marketwatch.com  Sat Jan 13 01:18:41 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:40 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] movies
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10924D@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

Mmmm...  Michelle Yeow.  Yow!  Send it to me.  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Yaron [mailto:jethro@freakzilla.com]
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 11:58 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] [OT] movies
> 
> 
>   Hi,
> 
> On Fri, 12 Jan 2001, Michael Hicks wrote:
> 
> > Okay, was anyone else out there bored enough to go spend 
> $7.50 to see
> > `Antitrust'?  I wouldn't be surprised if you don't want to 
> admit it ;-)
> 
> I still refuse to watch any computer-centric movie. Bad enough I got
> tricked into that big fakenet thing in Goldeneye.
> 
> I wish 'Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon' was showing at a 
> decent theatre!
> Michelle Yeoh rules btw. And just to make this semi-on-topic, 
> anyone want
> my Michelle Yeoh desktop background? (:
> 
> 
> -Yaron
> 
> --
> 
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> 

From tanner at real-time.com  Sat Jan 13 02:28:49 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:40 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Anyone running Snort?
Message-ID: <20010113022849.H6228@real-time.com>

Is anyone running Sort?

I am looking for what type of resources a snort detector consumes. 

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From tanner at real-time.com  Sat Jan 13 03:44:15 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:40 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] imap (more info)
Message-ID: <20010113034415.B13652@real-time.com>

To the thread about imap servers, I'd like to add that I cannot find a way to or
courier imap does not support tcp wrappers.

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From blutgens at sistina.com  Sat Jan 13 08:18:03 2001
From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:40 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Anyone running Snort?
In-Reply-To: <20010113022849.H6228@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Sat, Jan 13, 2001 at 02:28:49AM -0600
References: <20010113022849.H6228@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010113081803.A9080@minime.sistina.com>

On Sat, Jan 13, 2001 at 02:28:49AM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote:
>Is anyone running Sort?

Yes.

>
>I am looking for what type of resources a snort detector consumes. 

Negligible. I can paste in whatever stats you want. But it's quite minimal
IMO.


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From blutgens at sistina.com  Sat Jan 13 08:20:57 2001
From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:40 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] imap (more info)
In-Reply-To: <20010113034415.B13652@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Sat, Jan 13, 2001 at 03:44:15AM -0600
References: <20010113034415.B13652@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010113082057.B9080@minime.sistina.com>

On Sat, Jan 13, 2001 at 03:44:15AM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote:
>To the thread about imap servers, I'd like to add that I cannot find a way to or
>courier imap does not support tcp wrappers.

It runs from courrier-tcpd IIRC. Which I think can be configured much like
tcpd, but is suuposedly more secure and faster.



>
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From lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu  Sat Jan 13 10:00:08 2001
From: lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu (Ben Luey)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:40 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Question about Mandrake
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109249@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.05.10101130958510.27940-100000@gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu>

I use Mandrake 7.2 and really like it. For a desktop its drak hardware
stuff is really nice for configuration and it looks nice and all out of
the box.  Redhat was not close to a nicely setup on default in 5.1, 5.2
and 6.0 

Ben


From austad at marketwatch.com  Sat Jan 13 15:10:42 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:40 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Anyone running Snort?
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109250@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

I run it.  I sniff about 30MBit of traffic, and it pegs the CPU on a PIII
733.  If I disable the defrag module, it goes down to about 20% utilization,
but you won't get alerted on everything if you do that.  I'm going to be
ordering a couple of AMD 1.2Ghz thunderbirds boxes soon to do this, because
I have one link that does about 45Mbit sustained during the day that I want
to sniff, and I know the PIII won't handle it.

If you set it up, make sure you set up ACID from the AirCert project also.
It makes reporting and digging for the info you want much easier using a PHP
interface and MySQL.  Otherwise, you'll be digging through logfiles using
grep.



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ben Lutgens [mailto:blutgens@sistina.com]
> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001 8:18 AM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Anyone running Snort?
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jan 13, 2001 at 02:28:49AM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote:
> >Is anyone running Sort?
> 
> Yes.
> 
> >
> >I am looking for what type of resources a snort detector consumes. 
> 
> Negligible. I can paste in whatever stats you want. But it's 
> quite minimal
> IMO.
> 
> 
> >-- 
> >Bob Tanner <tanner@real-time.com>       | Phone : (952)943-8700
> >http://www.mn-linux.org                 | Fax   : (952)943-8500
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> >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
> -- 
> Ben Lutgens		cell: 612.670.4789
> Sistina Software Inc.	work: 612.379.5941
> Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator)
> 

From tobytoo at black-hole.com  Sat Jan 13 15:40:23 2001
From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (b. toberman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:40 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] movies:Michelle Yeoh
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0101122356040.26561-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <3A60CB47.38748C0E@black-hole.com>

I'll take a Michelle Yoeh wallpaper shot.

Yaron wrote:

>   Hi,
>
> On Fri, 12 Jan 2001, Michael Hicks wrote:
>
> > Okay, was anyone else out there bored enough to go spend $7.50 to see
> > `Antitrust'?  I wouldn't be surprised if you don't want to admit it ;-)
>
> I still refuse to watch any computer-centric movie. Bad enough I got
> tricked into that big fakenet thing in Goldeneye.
>
> I wish 'Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon' was showing at a decent theatre!
> Michelle Yeoh rules btw. And just to make this semi-on-topic, anyone want
> my Michelle Yeoh desktop background? (:
>
> -Yaron
>
> --
>
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From jethro at freakzilla.com  Sat Jan 13 15:57:24 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:40 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] movies:Michelle Yeoh
In-Reply-To: <3A60CB47.38748C0E@black-hole.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0101131555350.11613-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>

  Hi,

On Sat, 13 Jan 2001, b. toberman wrote:

> I'll take a Michelle Yoeh wallpaper shot.

Since there've beena number of requests (well, 4) I put it at
http://www.yaron.org/pic/MichelleYeoh.jpg or .tif if you want the big one.
I'll try and get the .xcf but I don't know if that's possible.

-Yaron

--


From tanner at real-time.com  Sat Jan 13 18:45:58 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:40 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Anyone running Snort?
In-Reply-To: <20010113081803.A9080@minime.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Sat, Jan 13, 2001 at 08:18:03AM -0600
References: <20010113022849.H6228@real-time.com> <20010113081803.A9080@minime.sistina.com>
Message-ID: <20010113184558.B11139@real-time.com>

> >I am looking for what type of resources a snort detector consumes. 
> 
> Negligible. I can paste in whatever stats you want. But it's quite minimal
> IMO.

Umm, how much traffic do you get :-)

What are the specs of the machine running snort?

IF you are switched network, what switches are you using?

IF you are switched network, I assume you are using port mirroring, how is the
impact on the switch?

How many segments are you snorting? (Heh, insert favorite drug line here)

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From tanner at real-time.com  Sat Jan 13 18:47:49 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:40 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] imap (more info)
In-Reply-To: <20010113082057.B9080@minime.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Sat, Jan 13, 2001 at 08:20:57AM -0600
References: <20010113034415.B13652@real-time.com> <20010113082057.B9080@minime.sistina.com>
Message-ID: <20010113184749.C11139@real-time.com>

Quoting Ben Lutgens (blutgens@sistina.com):
> On Sat, Jan 13, 2001 at 03:44:15AM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote:
> >To the thread about imap servers, I'd like to add that I cannot find a way to or
> >courier imap does not support tcp wrappers.
> 
> It runs from courrier-tcpd IIRC. Which I think can be configured much like
> tcpd, but is suuposedly more secure and faster.

Ok, does courier-tcpd look at /etc/hosts.allow?

If not what file do I need to edit?

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From austad at marketwatch.com  Sat Jan 13 20:13:51 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:40 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] cheap colocation
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109255@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

Anyone know of a good cheap place where I can colocate a server or two?  I'm
setting up a small ecommerce site, and I don't really want to host it off my
DSL line.  It'll be fairly low traffic, but I want to ensure I have the
bandwidth if needed.  

Jay

From clay at fandre.com  Sat Jan 13 20:50:48 2001
From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:40 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Anyone running Snort?
References: <20010113022849.H6228@real-time.com>
	    <20010113081803.A9080@minime.sistina.com> <20010113184558.B11139@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <3A611408.F98B40B6@fandre.com>

Bob Tanner wrote:
> 
> > >I am looking for what type of resources a snort detector consumes.
> >
> > Negligible. I can paste in whatever stats you want. But it's quite minimal
> > IMO.
> 
> Umm, how much traffic do you get :-)
> 
> What are the specs of the machine running snort?
> 
> IF you are switched network, what switches are you using?
> 
> IF you are switched network, I assume you are using port mirroring, how is the
> impact on the switch?
> 
> How many segments are you snorting? (Heh, insert favorite drug line here)

Sounds like a great topic for a TCLUG meeting. Jay, you interested? If
so, let me know.

Clay

From lxy at cloudnet.com  Sat Jan 13 22:48:14 2001
From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:40 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] cheap colocation
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109255@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10101132242200.5436-100000@antares.cloudnet.com>

On Sat, 13 Jan 2001, Austad, Jay wrote:

> Anyone know of a good cheap place where I can colocate a server or two?  I'm
> setting up a small ecommerce site, and I don't really want to host it off my
> DSL line.  It'll be fairly low traffic, but I want to ensure I have the
> bandwidth if needed.  

I'm not sure if the words "cheap" and "colo" can be used correctly in the
same sentence.  Unless you're streaming video or hosting a Red Hat mirror
I think DSL works great as colo.  It's stable, and although slow (272k up)
it's a great low-cost solution.  I colo some light/medium traffic boxen on
DSL and I've never had a problem.  I also colo a box on cable, I don't
recommend that.  I think that'll be moving to DSL soon.

So there you have it in all its glory, MHO.

-Brian



From austad at marketwatch.com  Sun Jan 14 02:06:36 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:40 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] cheap colocation
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109256@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

The site I plan on running has a great possibility of being "slashdotted".
Not neccessarily from Slashdot, but from hardware and overclocking sites.
If I host it on my DSL, I won't be able to handle the traffic if I get
posted on one of those sites.  I could host it at work, but I think that
might not go over so well with certain people.  

One of the most annoying things about commerce sites is the slowness.  I
don't want anything I run to be something that might annoy me if I was a
customer.  

On a side note, I'll be running TEP for a shopping cart system.  If anyone
is looking for a sweet cart system, check out
http://www.theexchangeproject.org.

Jay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian [mailto:lxy@cloudnet.com]
> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001 10:48 PM
> To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] cheap colocation
> 
> 
> On Sat, 13 Jan 2001, Austad, Jay wrote:
> 
> > Anyone know of a good cheap place where I can colocate a 
> server or two?  I'm
> > setting up a small ecommerce site, and I don't really want 
> to host it off my
> > DSL line.  It'll be fairly low traffic, but I want to 
> ensure I have the
> > bandwidth if needed.  
> 
> I'm not sure if the words "cheap" and "colo" can be used 
> correctly in the
> same sentence.  Unless you're streaming video or hosting a 
> Red Hat mirror
> I think DSL works great as colo.  It's stable, and although 
> slow (272k up)
> it's a great low-cost solution.  I colo some light/medium 
> traffic boxen on
> DSL and I've never had a problem.  I also colo a box on cable, I don't
> recommend that.  I think that'll be moving to DSL soon.
> 
> So there you have it in all its glory, MHO.
> 
> -Brian
> 
> 
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From austad at marketwatch.com  Sun Jan 14 02:20:05 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:41 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Anyone running Snort?
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109257@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

> Sounds like a great topic for a TCLUG meeting. Jay, you interested? If
> so, let me know.

It would be a great topic for a TCLUG meeting.  I'd be interested in giving
a small presentation as long as someone else helps me out.  A potential
client is doing a security audit later this month on one of my networks, so
I'll be getting some good data from snort when that happens.  

The earliest I'd be able to show anything would be March, as I'll be out of
the country in the beginning of Feb, and travelling most of the rest of the
month.  Does anyone else run it that would be interested in helping with a
presentation?

I've been using the 1.7 CVS versions lately.  I haven't upgraded any of my
sniffers to the release version yet.  I sniff ALOT of traffic with it, so I
have been seeing bugs with it alot.  I've reported everything I've found, so
hopefully the problems I was seeing before are fixed now.  Snort rules can
generate alot of false positives too.  When you're on a small network,
that's not really a big deal.  But when you're sniffing traffic to a site
that does around 160MBit/sec of traffic during the day, the false positives
turn into a BIG problem.  

I tried out a couple of other IDS systems, which cost anywhere from $10,000
to $30,000, and nothing was as flexible or usable as snort.  If you're
thinking about spending lots of money on something, don't.  Snort is much
better and much more flexible than every other solution I've seen.

Jay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Clay Fandre [mailto:clay@fandre.com]
> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001 8:51 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Anyone running Snort?
> 
> 
> Bob Tanner wrote:
> > 
> > > >I am looking for what type of resources a snort detector 
> consumes.
> > >
> > > Negligible. I can paste in whatever stats you want. But 
> it's quite minimal
> > > IMO.
> > 
> > Umm, how much traffic do you get :-)
> > 
> > What are the specs of the machine running snort?
> > 
> > IF you are switched network, what switches are you using?
> > 
> > IF you are switched network, I assume you are using port 
> mirroring, how is the
> > impact on the switch?
> > 
> > How many segments are you snorting? (Heh, insert favorite 
> drug line here)
> 
> Sounds like a great topic for a TCLUG meeting. Jay, you interested? If
> so, let me know.
> 
> Clay
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
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> 

From dieman at ringworld.org  Sun Jan 14 15:35:37 2001
From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:41 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] cheap colocation
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109255@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Sat, Jan 13, 2001 at 08:13:51PM -0600
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109255@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <20010114153537.J28746@ringworld.org>

* Austad, Jay <austad@marketwatch.com> [010113 20:14]:
> Anyone know of a good cheap place where I can colocate a server or two?  I'm
> setting up a small ecommerce site, and I don't really want to host it off my
> DSL line.  It'll be fairly low traffic, but I want to ensure I have the
> bandwidth if needed.  

$150, sihope.com.  Adam Maloney is on the list here, hes one of the
admins there..  They are super-responsive, even on weekends.  Ben Kochie
also has a box there.  I help as emergency contact for a partnership
that keeps a machine there.

As to the DSL thing.  DONT HOST ECOMMERCE ON DSL unless you can weazel a
SLA from whoevers running your DSL line.  If you can't weazel a SLA, go
with colo.  (Don't expect a DSL with a SLA to be affordable either,
since thats edging on T1 terratory.)

--
Scott Dier <dieman@ringworld.org> #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net
http://www.ringworld.org/  finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org

"Kupo, kupkup, kupopo...  Po... Kupo!?  KUPOPO!!!
	<Chomp chomp> Kupooo."
		-Moguta (FFIX)
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From austad at marketwatch.com  Sun Jan 14 19:26:54 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:41 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] cheap colocation
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10925B@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

Is it $150 per box regardless of bandwidth used, $150 for 4u of rackspace,
or $150 + other fees per box?

What kind of connectivity does Sihope have?

jay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Dier [mailto:dieman@ringworld.org]
> Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 3:36 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] cheap colocation
> 
> 
> * Austad, Jay <austad@marketwatch.com> [010113 20:14]:
> > Anyone know of a good cheap place where I can colocate a 
> server or two?  I'm
> > setting up a small ecommerce site, and I don't really want 
> to host it off my
> > DSL line.  It'll be fairly low traffic, but I want to 
> ensure I have the
> > bandwidth if needed.  
> 
> $150, sihope.com.  Adam Maloney is on the list here, hes one of the
> admins there..  They are super-responsive, even on weekends.  
> Ben Kochie
> also has a box there.  I help as emergency contact for a partnership
> that keeps a machine there.
> 
> As to the DSL thing.  DONT HOST ECOMMERCE ON DSL unless you 
> can weazel a
> SLA from whoevers running your DSL line.  If you can't weazel 
> a SLA, go
> with colo.  (Don't expect a DSL with a SLA to be affordable either,
> since thats edging on T1 terratory.)
> 
> --
> Scott Dier <dieman@ringworld.org> #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net
> http://www.ringworld.org/  finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org
> 
> "Kupo, kupkup, kupopo...  Po... Kupo!?  KUPOPO!!!
> 	<Chomp chomp> Kupooo."
> 		-Moguta (FFIX)
> 

From austad at marketwatch.com  Sun Jan 14 21:18:07 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:41 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] dye sublimation printer for sale/trade
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10925D@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

I have a Tektronix Phaser IIsdx Dye Sublimation printer that's just sitting
around doing nothing and I want to get rid of it since I have no use for it
anymore.  It works great with Linux, and with Windows.  It was over $4000
new in 1996.  I have two extra rolls of ink for it (last I checked, the
refills were $120 each, but that was over a year ago), and I think the one
inside of it has quite a few prints left on it.  It will print 8.5"x14"
photo quality, color of course (4 pass, CMYK).  It has a port for ethernet
on the back, but requires one of those little transceivers.  I might have
one, but since I recently moved, I make no guarantees.  I just connected it
through the parallel port and used it as a standard postscript printer.  I
think I even have the manual for it laying around.  Xerox bought Tektronix,
and information on the printer should be available on their site.

If anyone wants it, make me an offer.  Or, better yet, I'd be happy to trade
for any cisco equipment you may have laying around (flash memory card for a
cisco PIX would be good), an old IMac, one of the old 20" SGI branded sony
trinitron monitors, any interesting SGI or Sun equipment, or any other
equipment I might find interesting. 

I won't ship it anywhere though, it's big and it weighs probably 80 pounds
or so.  Depending on where you are, I can bring it over, or you can pick it
up (I live in downtown St. Paul).  

Jay

From ecrist at ardent-hacker.net  Sun Jan 14 22:05:12 2001
From: ecrist at ardent-hacker.net (Eric F Crist)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:41 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Access Control
Message-ID: <0101091928051L.44407@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net>

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Maybe this is a little off-topic, but I"m looking for a cgi or java script 
that will allow me to more easily deal with a secured area on my site.  
there've been a few I've tried, and haven't liked.  Could anyone please 
respond with some good, FREE, packages that allow me to administer htpasswd 
files and allow mass mailing of users, and allow automated user 
sign-up/login/maintenance of their accounts? 

Thanks,

Eric
- - -- 
Eric F Crist
System Administrator
Ardent-Hacker.net
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From austad at marketwatch.com  Sun Jan 14 22:36:13 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:41 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Access Control
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10925F@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

http://phortify.sourceforge.net/

http://www.phpsecurepages.f2s.com/


Neither look like they have the ability to mass mail your users, but you
shouldn't have much problem writing a little php script to select all of the
email addresses from the DB and call the PHP mail() function.  

Jay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric F Crist [mailto:ecrist@ardent-hacker.net]
> Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 10:05 PM
> To: tclug-list@listserv.real-time.com
> Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Access Control
> 
> 
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> Maybe this is a little off-topic, but I"m looking for a cgi 
> or java script 
> that will allow me to more easily deal with a secured area on 
> my site.  
> there've been a few I've tried, and haven't liked.  Could 
> anyone please 
> respond with some good, FREE, packages that allow me to 
> administer htpasswd 
> files and allow mass mailing of users, and allow automated user 
> sign-up/login/maintenance of their accounts? 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Eric
> - - -- 
> Eric F Crist
> System Administrator
> Ardent-Hacker.net
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From austad at marketwatch.com  Sun Jan 14 22:36:13 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:41 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Access Control
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10925F@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

http://phortify.sourceforge.net/

http://www.phpsecurepages.f2s.com/


Neither look like they have the ability to mass mail your users, but you
shouldn't have much problem writing a little php script to select all of the
email addresses from the DB and call the PHP mail() function.  

Jay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric F Crist [mailto:ecrist@ardent-hacker.net]
> Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 10:05 PM
> To: tclug-list@listserv.real-time.com
> Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Access Control
> 
> 
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> 
> - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> 
> Maybe this is a little off-topic, but I"m looking for a cgi 
> or java script 
> that will allow me to more easily deal with a secured area on 
> my site.  
> there've been a few I've tried, and haven't liked.  Could 
> anyone please 
> respond with some good, FREE, packages that allow me to 
> administer htpasswd 
> files and allow mass mailing of users, and allow automated user 
> sign-up/login/maintenance of their accounts? 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Eric
> - - -- 
> Eric F Crist
> System Administrator
> Ardent-Hacker.net
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> 

From Galli-Wangler at t-online.de  Mon Jan 15 02:37:26 2001
From: Galli-Wangler at t-online.de (Emil Galli)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:41 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] SIM 2001
Message-ID: <B6887555.D89%emil@loeffler.ch>


For Companies working in the field of Simulation and Visualisation


Ladies and Gentlemen

L?ffler & Associates GmbH is the organizer of SIM 2001, the Industrial
Trade Fair taking place in Freiburg i.Br., Germany, from
June 17 to June 21, 2001. At the same time several conferences and events
will be held:

* The 5th Conference of the World User Association in Applied Computational
Fluid Dynamics (WUA-CFD), with the title "World Fluid Dynamics Days 2001"

* The SIM 2001-Overview Conference having for subject the simulation and
visualisation, with the title "Strategic Importance of Simulation and
Visualisation for the Industry in the next Decade"

* The SIM 2001-Partnering Day

* The SIM 2001-Recruiting Day for employers and employees, working in the
field of simulation and visualisation, giving young engineers the chance to
meet company responsibles for human resources who want to engage engineers
and vice versa.

We invite you to visit our web site under http://www.sim2001.com   where you
will find details regarding the different events.

Or just answer our e-mail telling us to whom we may send a detailed
documentation on
SIM 2001.

Thanking you in advance, we remain

Sincerely yours

L?ffler & Associates GmbH


Beat L?ffler, M.A.    Dr. Axel M?ller
Director                    Partner


E-mail:  loeffler@sim2001.com


SIM 2001 is officially sponsored by the following companies and
organisations:
ASIM, Crossair, DaimlerChrysler, European Union, Fluent, HP, Messe Freiburg,
NEC, SGI, SUN, WUA-CFD





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From Galli-Wangler at t-online.de  Mon Jan 15 02:42:46 2001
From: Galli-Wangler at t-online.de (Emil Galli)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:41 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] SIM 2001
Message-ID: <B6887696.D8B%emil@loeffler.ch>


For Companies working in the field of Simulation and Visualisation


Ladies and Gentlemen

L?ffler & Associates GmbH is the organizer of SIM 2001, the Industrial
Trade Fair taking place in Freiburg i.Br., Germany, from
June 17 to June 21, 2001. At the same time several conferences and events
will be held:

* The 5th Conference of the World User Association in Applied Computational
Fluid Dynamics (WUA-CFD), with the title "World Fluid Dynamics Days 2001"

* The SIM 2001-Overview Conference having for subject the simulation and
visualisation, with the title "Strategic Importance of Simulation and
Visualisation for the Industry in the next Decade"

* The SIM 2001-Partnering Day

* The SIM 2001-Recruiting Day for employers and employees, working in the
field of simulation and visualisation, giving young engineers the chance to
meet company responsibles for human resources who want to engage engineers
and vice versa.

We invite you to visit our web site under http://www.sim2001.com   where you
will find details regarding the different events.

Or just answer our e-mail telling us to whom we may send a detailed
documentation on
SIM 2001.

Thanking you in advance, we remain

Sincerely yours

L?ffler & Associates GmbH


Beat L?ffler, M.A.    Dr. Axel M?ller
Director                    Partner


E-mail:  loeffler@sim2001.com


SIM 2001 is officially sponsored by the following companies and
organisations:
ASIM, Crossair, DaimlerChrysler, European Union, Fluent, HP, Messe Freiburg,
NEC, SGI, SUN, WUA-CFD





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From austad at marketwatch.com  Mon Jan 15 02:45:37 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:41 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] ttf and xfs - argh!
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109262@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

Ok, I downloaded a whole bunch of TTF's to add to the sorry collection that
comes with Mandrake. I've put them in the directory they should be in, tried
restarting the font server, even tried mkfontdir, but no luck.  The fonts
are not usable.  

Anyone know what the problem is?  Some of the fonts were taken from Windows,
and others were downloaded from some websites.  

Jay

From austad at marketwatch.com  Mon Jan 15 02:45:37 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:41 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] ttf and xfs - argh!
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109262@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

Ok, I downloaded a whole bunch of TTF's to add to the sorry collection that
comes with Mandrake. I've put them in the directory they should be in, tried
restarting the font server, even tried mkfontdir, but no luck.  The fonts
are not usable.  

Anyone know what the problem is?  Some of the fonts were taken from Windows,
and others were downloaded from some websites.  

Jay

From jethro at freakzilla.com  Mon Jan 15 02:48:29 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:42 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] ttf and xfs - argh!
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109262@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0101150247420.4466-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>

  Hi,

On Mon, 15 Jan 2001, Austad, Jay wrote:

> Anyone know what the problem is?  Some of the fonts were taken from Windows,
> and others were downloaded from some websites.

You need to run ttmkfdir (which'll make fonts.scale) and then mkfontdir.


-Yaron

--


From dieman at ringworld.org  Mon Jan 15 02:59:38 2001
From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:42 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] cheap colocation
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10925B@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Sun, Jan 14, 2001 at 07:26:54PM -0600
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10925B@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <20010115025938.N28746@ringworld.org>

I believe its 150 for 5u.  They are trying to get a partial DS3 to visi,
afaik.  But QWorst is taking their time.  THey have a link from savvis
(t1), and an emergency link to iaxs, another local isp, that has links
to visi and usworst(?).  Really, email adamm@sihope and ask him the tech
questions. :)  They also have two 7000 series cisco routers just in case
one fails.  Stuff like that.  RIght now I dont now which links they have
active yet either.

The server room is also amazingly organised.

http://www.ringworld.org/~dieman/photos/sihope/

* Austad, Jay <austad@marketwatch.com> [010114 19:28]:
> Is it $150 per box regardless of bandwidth used, $150 for 4u of rackspace,
> or $150 + other fees per box?
> 
> What kind of connectivity does Sihope have?
> 
> jay
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Scott Dier [mailto:dieman@ringworld.org]
> > Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 3:36 PM
> > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] cheap colocation
> > 
> > 
> > * Austad, Jay <austad@marketwatch.com> [010113 20:14]:
> > > Anyone know of a good cheap place where I can colocate a 
> > server or two?  I'm
> > > setting up a small ecommerce site, and I don't really want 
> > to host it off my
> > > DSL line.  It'll be fairly low traffic, but I want to 
> > ensure I have the
> > > bandwidth if needed.  
> > 
> > $150, sihope.com.  Adam Maloney is on the list here, hes one of the
> > admins there..  They are super-responsive, even on weekends.  
> > Ben Kochie
> > also has a box there.  I help as emergency contact for a partnership
> > that keeps a machine there.
> > 
> > As to the DSL thing.  DONT HOST ECOMMERCE ON DSL unless you 
> > can weazel a
> > SLA from whoevers running your DSL line.  If you can't weazel 
> > a SLA, go
> > with colo.  (Don't expect a DSL with a SLA to be affordable either,
> > since thats edging on T1 terratory.)
> > 
> > --
> > Scott Dier <dieman@ringworld.org> #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net
> > http://www.ringworld.org/  finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org
> > 
> > "Kupo, kupkup, kupopo...  Po... Kupo!?  KUPOPO!!!
> > 	<Chomp chomp> Kupooo."
> > 		-Moguta (FFIX)
> > 
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

-- 
Scott Dier <dieman@ringworld.org> #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net
http://www.ringworld.org/  finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org

"Kupo, kupkup, kupopo...  Po... Kupo!?  KUPOPO!!!
	<Chomp chomp> Kupooo."
		-Moguta (FFIX)
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From dieman at ringworld.org  Mon Jan 15 03:00:47 2001
From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:42 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] dye sublimation printer for sale/trade
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10925D@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Sun, Jan 14, 2001 at 09:18:07PM -0600
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10925D@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <20010115030047.O28746@ringworld.org>

* Austad, Jay <austad@marketwatch.com> [010114 21:19]:
> cisco PIX would be good), an old IMac, one of the old 20" SGI branded sony
> trinitron monitors, any interesting SGI or Sun equipment, or any other

Ive got a 19" Sun branded sony trinitron.  Its sitting in my closet. :)

-- 
Scott Dier <dieman@ringworld.org> #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net
http://www.ringworld.org/  finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org

"Kupo, kupkup, kupopo...  Po... Kupo!?  KUPOPO!!!
	<Chomp chomp> Kupooo."
		-Moguta (FFIX)
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From dieman at ringworld.org  Mon Jan 15 03:06:02 2001
From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:42 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] dye sublimation printer for sale/trade
In-Reply-To: <20010115030047.O28746@ringworld.org>; from dieman@ringworld.org on Mon, Jan 15, 2001 at 03:00:47AM -0600
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10925D@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> <20010115030047.O28746@ringworld.org>
Message-ID: <20010115030601.P28746@ringworld.org>

* Scott Dier <dieman@ringworld.org> [010115 03:01]:
> * Austad, Jay <austad@marketwatch.com> [010114 21:19]:
> > cisco PIX would be good), an old IMac, one of the old 20" SGI branded sony
> > trinitron monitors, any interesting SGI or Sun equipment, or any other
> 
> Ive got a 19" Sun branded sony trinitron.  Its sitting in my closet. :)

Oh, and theres no way in hell I'm going to ship this either  :)  It was
a bitch enough getting the box it came in up to my dorm room when I
lived on campus.

-- 
Scott Dier <dieman@ringworld.org> #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net
http://www.ringworld.org/  finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org

"Kupo, kupkup, kupopo...  Po... Kupo!?  KUPOPO!!!
	<Chomp chomp> Kupooo."
		-Moguta (FFIX)
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From jethro at freakzilla.com  Mon Jan 15 03:09:42 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:42 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] dye sublimation printer for sale/trade
In-Reply-To: <20010115030601.P28746@ringworld.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0101150308210.4466-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>

  Hi,

On Mon, 15 Jan 2001, Scott Dier wrote:

> > Ive got a 19" Sun branded sony trinitron.  Its sitting in my closet. :)

You suck! I was gonna offer him two SPARCclassics... they have 72MB of
RAM! And 420MB drives!!! I've actually frankensteined one of them into
having TWO 420MB drives!!!



-Yaron

--


From dieman at ringworld.org  Mon Jan 15 03:12:07 2001
From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:42 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] dye sublimation printer for sale/trade
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0101150308210.4466-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Mon, Jan 15, 2001 at 03:09:42AM -0600
References: <20010115030601.P28746@ringworld.org> <Pine.LNX.4.31.0101150308210.4466-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <20010115031207.A11813@ringworld.org>

* Yaron <jethro@freakzilla.com> [010115 03:10]:
> You suck! I was gonna offer him two SPARCclassics... they have 72MB of

I'm sorry :)  Ive got all this hardware, just sitting around.  I think I
could actually use this printer to print some photos out.  Its not
cheap, but it would be nifty to beable to do it at home for $.50/photo
than through ofoto or something. :)

-- 
Scott Dier <dieman@ringworld.org> #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net
http://www.ringworld.org/  finger:dieman@destiny.ringworld.org

"Kupo, kupkup, kupopo...  Po... Kupo!?  KUPOPO!!!
	<Chomp chomp> Kupooo."
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From jethro at freakzilla.com  Mon Jan 15 03:19:13 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:42 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] dye sublimation printer for sale/trade
In-Reply-To: <20010115031207.A11813@ringworld.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0101150316510.4466-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>

  Hi,

On Mon, 15 Jan 2001, Scott Dier wrote:

> I'm sorry :)  Ive got all this hardware, just sitting around.

Don't suppose you'd trade that monitor for a couple of classics?... Or...
uh... I've got this siney box of kleenex... still half full!


-Yaron

--


From isla0005 at tc.umn.edu  Mon Jan 15 08:07:48 2001
From: isla0005 at tc.umn.edu (Apu)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:42 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Access Control
References: <0101091928051L.44407@armageddon.ardent-hacker.net>
Message-ID: <3A630434.759C2373@tc.umn.edu>

Mail::Bulkmail is a very good module for your mass emailing needs. I have been
using it for quite some time and it's commercial quality stuff. Download from
cpan.
For passwords and access controls there may also be some modules as well
(cpan.org). It's not suggested to mess with access control using cgi scripts
for security reasons (unless you are very good with perl & cgi concepts).


Apu

Eric F Crist wrote:

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> Maybe this is a little off-topic, but I"m looking for a cgi or java script
> that will allow me to more easily deal with a secured area on my site.
> there've been a few I've tried, and haven't liked.  Could anyone please
> respond with some good, FREE, packages that allow me to administer htpasswd
> files and allow mass mailing of users, and allow automated user
> sign-up/login/maintenance of their accounts?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Eric
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> System Administrator
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From webgirl at wagtopia.com  Mon Jan 15 09:46:08 2001
From: webgirl at wagtopia.com (Heather Wagamon)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:42 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] anonymous ftp
Message-ID: <01C07ED7.FD173980.webgirl@wagtopia.com>

I need to set up a directory where users can post and retrieve files via 
ftp.  It looks like someone has previously set up an anonymous ftp 
directory.  I'm not sure if it's possible to create a second one, how to do 
it if it is possible, or if I could just use that same directory for my 
files.  I don't want users to be able to download whatever else is already 
in that directory, though.  I would appreciate any input on this.  Thanks!!

From jethro at freakzilla.com  Mon Jan 15 10:51:02 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:42 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] anonymous ftp
In-Reply-To: <01C07ED7.FD173980.webgirl@wagtopia.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0101151048020.4466-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>

  Hi,

On Mon, 15 Jan 2001, Heather Wagamon wrote:

> I need to set up a directory where users can post and retrieve files via
> ftp.

Step one: make sure you're using a REALLY good FTP server. I recommend
OpenBSD's FTP server
(ftp://quatramaran.ens.fr/pub/madore/ftpd-BSD/ftpd-BSD-0.3.2.tar.gz).

Then you setup a directory called /pub/upload or /pub/incoming, and make
it writable but NOT READABLE, ie, chmod 333 it). Then people will be able
to upload, and download if they know the filename, but not get a dir
listing.



-Yaron

--


From andyzb at ltiflex.com  Mon Jan 15 11:02:00 2001
From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:43 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] anonymous ftp
References: <01C07ED7.FD173980.webgirl@wagtopia.com>
Message-ID: <3A632D08.72EC2CBA@ltiflex.com>

That depends on the ftpd you're using. 

For proftpd:
 <Directory ~ftp/incoming>
        <Limit READ WRITE>
        DenyAll
        </Limit>
        <Limit STOR>
        AllowAll
        </Limit>
</Directory>

This sets up the directory ~ftp/incoming to give anyone the ability to
upload stuff. They can also get file listings. But they will not be able to
download anything. By changing the limits you should be able to get the
configuration you're looking for. If you're using wu-ftpd or some other
ftpd, I don't know. :)

--
Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin   | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com
LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH)  763-428-9119 (EX) 132
21801 Industrial Blvd       | (FX)  763-428-9126
Rogers, MN  55374           | (PCS) 612-306-6055
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From webgirl at wagtopia.com  Mon Jan 15 11:09:37 2001
From: webgirl at wagtopia.com (Heather Wagamon)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:43 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] anonymous ftp
Message-ID: <01C07EE3.A69C21E0.webgirl@wagtopia.com>

I guess I'm not sure what ftp i'm using.  We have a linux red-hat server. 
 I need to be able to let people upload and download files.  I thought you 
could just set up ftp by adding user ftp.. There's already an ftp user and 
all of the directories needed, plus it looks like the previous network 
admin person had it set up for something because there are a few files 
there already.  I'm not sure why he did that- but I don't want to delete it 
out because I'm sure its probably for a program we have running here.  But, 
I still need to be able to set up an ftp directory, also.  :-\


-----Original Message-----
From:	Andy Zbikowski [SMTP:andyzb@ltiflex.com]
Sent:	Monday, January 15, 2001 11:02 AM
To:	tclug-list@mn-linux.org
Subject:	Re: [TCLUG] anonymous ftp

That depends on the ftpd you're using.

For proftpd:
 <Directory ~ftp/incoming>
        <Limit READ WRITE>
        DenyAll
        </Limit>
        <Limit STOR>
        AllowAll
        </Limit>
</Directory>

This sets up the directory ~ftp/incoming to give anyone the ability to
upload stuff. They can also get file listings. But they will not be able to
download anything. By changing the limits you should be able to get the
configuration you're looking for. If you're using wu-ftpd or some other
ftpd, I don't know. :)

--
Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin   | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com
LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH)  763-428-9119 (EX) 132
21801 Industrial Blvd       | (FX)  763-428-9126
Rogers, MN  55374           | (PCS) 612-306-6055 << File: andyzb.vcf >> 

From lanbarnes at earthlink.net  Mon Jan 15 11:35:13 2001
From: lanbarnes at earthlink.net (Lan Barnes)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:43 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] movies
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0101122356040.26561-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <3A6334D1.C4C8961D@earthlink.net>

Yaron wrote:
> 
>   Hi,
> 
> On Fri, 12 Jan 2001, Michael Hicks wrote:
> 
> > Okay, was anyone else out there bored enough to go spend $7.50 to see
> > `Antitrust'?  I wouldn't be surprised if you don't want to admit it ;-)
> 
> I still refuse to watch any computer-centric movie. Bad enough I got
> tricked into that big fakenet thing in Goldeneye.
> 
> I wish 'Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon' was showing at a decent theatre!
> Michelle Yeoh rules btw. And just to make this semi-on-topic, anyone want
> my Michelle Yeoh desktop background? (:
> 

I dunno. "War Games" was kinda good (OK, so it was 15 years ago), and Mary
McDonnell (Liz) made "Sneakers" bearable for me . Quiet brainy types weaken
my knees :-)

-- 
Lan Barnes                 lanbarnes@earthlink.net
Icon Consulting, Inc       858-273-6677

There is no limit to what you can accomplish if you don't 
care who gets the credit
                                  -Harry Truman

From lanbarnes at earthlink.net  Mon Jan 15 11:29:45 2001
From: lanbarnes at earthlink.net (Lan Barnes)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:43 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Question about Mandrake
References: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0101121658520.32718-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <3A633389.A68749C6@earthlink.net>

Nate Carlson wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 12 Jan 2001, Lan Barnes wrote:
> > Reliable rumor has it that RH 7.1 beta iso images were just posted, so
> > another option is to wait a few weeks.
> >
> > Red Hat rule of thumb:
> >   X.0 = bleeding edge
> >   X.0 = pretty nice
> >   X.2 = mmm-mmm good
> >
> > . . . and then we start again :-)
> 
> Cool! .0 is bleeding edge AND pretty good?? :)
> 

Proofreading failure :-(

-- 
Lan Barnes                 lanbarnes@earthlink.net
Icon Consulting, Inc       858-273-6677

It's not easy being green.
                      - Kermit the Frog

@^^^aXt&.w$+++q~Ppp,%zzzACKACKACK
                      - Kermit the Protocol

From jethro at freakzilla.com  Mon Jan 15 11:29:06 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:43 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] anonymous ftp
In-Reply-To: <01C07EE3.A69C21E0.webgirl@wagtopia.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0101151127470.4466-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>

  Hi,

On Mon, 15 Jan 2001, Heather Wagamon wrote:

> I guess I'm not sure what ftp i'm using.  We have a linux red-hat server.

My advice: before you do that, LEARN about ftpd. It's really, really easy
to screw up, and if you do you're a warez-side-security-risk.

RedHat's probably using wu-ftpd. Type 'rpm -qa|grep ftpd'. It comes with
lots of docs and stuff you can read.


-Yaron

--


From johndmiller at mn.mediaone.net  Mon Jan 15 11:28:09 2001
From: johndmiller at mn.mediaone.net (root)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:43 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Fwd: vgetty
Message-ID: <01011511301401.12734@nic-163-c168-040.mn.mediaone.net>


----------  Forwarded Message  ----------
Subject: vgetty
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 11:00:17 -0600
From: root <johndmiller@mn.mediaone.net>


I am still working on getting vgetty to act at my answering machine.  It apears
that vgetty checks the modem about every hour to make sure that it is still
alive.  Here is a the output from the messages log.  I am not familiarr enough
with this to understand the No such process part.  I looks like everthing is
fine.  When the phone rings it spits out about 60 lines of information, but for
now, I would like to understand this  Can anyone tell what it is looking for or
where I might start looking to get rid of the No such process part.

Thanks 
John Miller

Jan 14 04:08:06 nic-163-c168-040 vgetty[2421]:   select returned 0: No such process
Jan 14 04:08:06 nic-163-c168-040 vgetty[2421]: checking if modem is still alive: No such process
Jan 14 04:08:06 nic-163-c168-040 vgetty[2421]:  makelock(ttyS3) called: No such process
Jan 14 04:08:06 nic-163-c168-040 vgetty[2421]:  do_makelock: lock='/var/lock/LCK..ttyS3': No such process
Jan 14 04:08:06 nic-163-c168-040 vgetty[2421]:  lock made: No such process
Jan 14 04:08:06 nic-163-c168-040 vgetty[2421]: mdm_send: 'AT': No such process
Jan 14 04:08:06 nic-163-c168-040 vgetty[2421]:   got:: No such process
Jan 14 04:08:06 nic-163-c168-040 vgetty[2421]:  mdm_command: string 'OK': No such process
Jan 14 04:08:06 nic-163-c168-040 vgetty[2421]:  waiting for line to clear (VTIME), read: : No such process
Jan 14 04:08:07 nic-163-c168-040 vgetty[2421]:  removing lock file: No such process
Jan 14 04:08:07 nic-163-c168-040 vgetty[2421]: waiting...: No such process
-------------------------------------------------------

From subb3 at attglobal.net  Mon Jan 15 06:09:32 2001
From: subb3 at attglobal.net (Subba Rao)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:43 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Large HD and VMWare's raw partitions
Message-ID: <20010115120932.A32579@attglobal.net>

One of my Linux system has a slave disk which is 20GB.

(0)root@myhost:/~# fdisk /dev/hdc

The number of cylinders for this disk is set to 2646.
There is nothing wrong with that, but this is larger than 1024,
and could in certain setups cause problems with:
1) software that runs at boot time (e.g., old versions of LILO)
2) booting and partitioning software from other OSs
   (e.g., DOS FDISK, OS/2 FDISK)

Command (m for help)

(0)root@myhost:~/

The disk partitions at the begining of the disk are Linux ext2 filesystems.
Four partitions at the end of the disk are FAT16/msdos. The DOS partitions
have been defined in /etc/fstab but at bootup time, these file systems are
not getting mounted. I cannot even mount them manually. When I tried to mount
them,
	mount -t auto /dev/hdc5 /msdos

then the filesystem is mounted as a ext2 filesystems. When I try to mount them
as msdos filesystems,

	mount -t msdos /dev/hdc5 /msdos

then the following message appears:

mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc5,
       or too many mounted file systems

The goal is to create a raw partition for VMWare on the /dev/hdc5 partition and
install NT over it rely on M$ systems.

How can I create raw partitions for VMware on large HDs and mount them? 

Thank you in advance.

Subba Rao
subb3@attglobal.net
http://pws.prserv.net/truemax/

From lanbarnes at earthlink.net  Mon Jan 15 11:35:53 2001
From: lanbarnes at earthlink.net (Lan Barnes)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:43 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] movies:Michelle Yeoh
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0101122356040.26561-100000@Tiger.yaron.org> <3A60CB47.38748C0E@black-hole.com>
Message-ID: <3A6334F9.A44A89FC@earthlink.net>

"b. toberman" wrote:
> 
> I'll take a Michelle Yoeh wallpaper shot.
> 

URL please . . .

-- 
Lan Barnes                 lanbarnes@earthlink.net
Icon Consulting, Inc       858-273-6677

I love deadlines, especially the whooshing sound they
make as they go flying by.
                              - Dilbert

From austad at marketwatch.com  Mon Jan 15 12:10:26 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:43 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] dye sublimation printer for sale/trade
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109267@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

Hrm, that monitor might be interesting....   :)

Sparc classics = devil.  I know for a fact that I would have less use for
those than the printer.  If you can trade some poor bastard for an Imac,
I'll trade you the Imac for the printer.  :)  I need a cute linux terminal
for my coffee table.

Jay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Yaron [mailto:jethro@freakzilla.com]
> Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 3:19 AM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] dye sublimation printer for sale/trade
> 
> 
>   Hi,
> 
> On Mon, 15 Jan 2001, Scott Dier wrote:
> 
> > I'm sorry :)  Ive got all this hardware, just sitting around.
> 
> Don't suppose you'd trade that monitor for a couple of 
> classics?... Or...
> uh... I've got this siney box of kleenex... still half full!
> 
> 
> -Yaron
> 
> --
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From andyzb at ltiflex.com  Mon Jan 15 12:16:11 2001
From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:43 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Intigrated NIC
Message-ID: <3A633E6B.A89FE61C@ltiflex.com>

I'm trying to install Debian on a brand new OptiPlex 150. The one hangup I
have is that the intigrated NIC doesn't seem to be supported. I know that
the NIC is a 3com, and it's probally in the 3c9XX series, but it doesn't
seem to be supported by the 3c59x driver. For now I stuck a 3c905 in and
will try 3com's Linux driver after the install. Anyone ever tried getting
linux going on one of these machines? 

--
Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin   | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com
LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH)  763-428-9119 (EX) 132
21801 Industrial Blvd       | (FX)  763-428-9126
Rogers, MN  55374           | (PCS) 612-306-6055
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From jethro at freakzilla.com  Mon Jan 15 12:40:10 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:43 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] dye sublimation printer for sale/trade
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109267@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0101151239250.4466-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>

  Hi,

On Mon, 15 Jan 2001, Austad, Jay wrote:

> Sparc classics = devil.  I know for a fact that I would have less use for
> those than the printer.  If you can trade some poor bastard for an Imac,
> I'll trade you the Imac for the printer.

If I could trade them for an iMac, I'd keep the iMac!

-Yaron

--


From jethro at freakzilla.com  Mon Jan 15 12:41:28 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:43 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] movies:Michelle Yeoh
In-Reply-To: <3A6334F9.A44A89FC@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0101151240520.4466-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>

  Hi,

On Mon, 15 Jan 2001, Lan Barnes wrote:

> > I'll take a Michelle Yoeh wallpaper shot.
> URL please . . .

http://www.yaron.org/pic/MichelleYeoh.jpg

or .tif if you want the big one.

-Yaron

--


From RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com  Mon Jan 15 12:35:47 2001
From: RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com (Ryan Ware)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:43 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] RE: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #598 - 1 msg
Message-ID: <8794B3B640FED2118D8600C00D0020A593F00F@ipserver2.interplastic.com>

Try vfat for a file type instead of msdos.  I used that under rhat 6.2 when
I had nt running fat on the other partition.

> -----Original Message-----
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> [SMTP:tclug-list-request@mn-linux.org]
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> 
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>    1. Large HD and VMWare's raw partitions (Subba Rao)
> 
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> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 12:09:32 +0000
> From: Subba Rao <subb3@attglobal.net>
> To: Twin Cities Linux <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
> Subject: [TCLUG] Large HD and VMWare's raw partitions
> Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> 
> 
> One of my Linux system has a slave disk which is 20GB.
> 
> (0)root@myhost:/~# fdisk /dev/hdc
> 
> The number of cylinders for this disk is set to 2646.
> There is nothing wrong with that, but this is larger than 1024,
> and could in certain setups cause problems with:
> 1) software that runs at boot time (e.g., old versions of LILO)
> 2) booting and partitioning software from other OSs
>    (e.g., DOS FDISK, OS/2 FDISK)
> 
> Command (m for help)
> 
> (0)root@myhost:~/
> 
> The disk partitions at the begining of the disk are Linux ext2
> filesystems.
> Four partitions at the end of the disk are FAT16/msdos. The DOS partitions
> have been defined in /etc/fstab but at bootup time, these file systems are
> not getting mounted. I cannot even mount them manually. When I tried to
> mount
> them,
> 	mount -t auto /dev/hdc5 /msdos
> 
> then the filesystem is mounted as a ext2 filesystems. When I try to mount
> them
> as msdos filesystems,
> 
> 	mount -t msdos /dev/hdc5 /msdos
> 
> then the following message appears:
> 
> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc5,
>        or too many mounted file systems
> 
> The goal is to create a raw partition for VMWare on the /dev/hdc5
> partition and
> install NT over it rely on M$ systems.
> 
> How can I create raw partitions for VMware on large HDs and mount them? 
> 
> Thank you in advance.
> 
> Subba Rao
> subb3@attglobal.net
> http://pws.prserv.net/truemax/
> 
> 
> --__--__--
> 
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
> 
> End of tclug-list Digest

From seg at haxxed.com  Mon Jan 15 13:16:19 2001
From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:43 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] dye sublimation printer for sale/trade
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10925D@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> <20010115030047.O28746@ringworld.org>
Message-ID: <3A634C83.4050902@haxxed.com>

Scott Dier wrote:

> * Austad, Jay <austad@marketwatch.com> [010114 21:19]:
> 
>> cisco PIX would be good), an old IMac, one of the old 20" SGI branded sony
>> trinitron monitors, any interesting SGI or Sun equipment, or any other
> 
> 
> Ive got a 19" Sun branded sony trinitron.  Its sitting in my closet. :)


We've got a Cisco 7000 endtable. Its our... routing table! *rimshot*

Hmmm, how do I power this thing? It appears to have a standard power 
plug, but then its got a little key thing. Would taking a soldering iron 
to a standard cable be a bad thing? Well, actually two of them. Mwahaha...

Need to look up a manual for this thing. Hmmm. I am of course 90% cisco 
clueless at this point...

Roomie was planning to ebay it and pay rent. Heh.


From cop7586 at hotmail.com  Mon Jan 15 13:28:20 2001
From: cop7586 at hotmail.com (Chris Opp)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:43 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] meeting
Message-ID: <F141tTTJTu0sAoY2Sgw00014ef3@hotmail.com>



What was covered at the meeting?



Thanks,


Chris
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From tim at tneu.visi.com  Mon Jan 15 07:40:56 2001
From: tim at tneu.visi.com (tim)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:44 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Large HD and VMWare's raw partitions
In-Reply-To: <20010115120932.A32579@attglobal.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0101150733270.19675-100000@tneu.visi.com>

On Mon, 15 Jan 2001, Subba Rao wrote:

> One of my Linux system has a slave disk which is 20GB.
> 
> (0)root@myhost:/~# fdisk /dev/hdc
> 
> The number of cylinders for this disk is set to 2646.
> There is nothing wrong with that, but this is larger than 1024,
> and could in certain setups cause problems with:
> 1) software that runs at boot time (e.g., old versions of LILO)
> 2) booting and partitioning software from other OSs
>    (e.g., DOS FDISK, OS/2 FDISK)
> 
> Command (m for help)
> 
> (0)root@myhost:~/
> 
> The disk partitions at the begining of the disk are Linux ext2 filesystems.
> Four partitions at the end of the disk are FAT16/msdos. The DOS partitions
> have been defined in /etc/fstab but at bootup time, these file systems are
> not getting mounted. I cannot even mount them manually. When I tried to mount
> them,
> 	mount -t auto /dev/hdc5 /msdos
> 
> then the filesystem is mounted as a ext2 filesystems. When I try to mount them
> as msdos filesystems,
> 
> 	mount -t msdos /dev/hdc5 /msdos
> 
> then the following message appears:
> 
> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc5,
>        or too many mounted file systems
> 
> The goal is to create a raw partition for VMWare on the /dev/hdc5 partition and
> install NT over it rely on M$ systems.
> 
> How can I create raw partitions for VMware on large HDs and mount them? 
> 
> Thank you in advance.

Unless you define the DOS partitions in the first 512MB of the disk, I
don't think you'll be able to use "partition", or "whole disk" mode of
VMware to get to them.

Instead, you can create the partition as ext2, mount it, and just place
all of your disk files in that partition.

The problem is that VMWare actually loads a copy of DOS (W9x DOS anyway),
so it will have the same issues that an actually-running DOS/BIOS
configuration would have, when running in "partition" or "whole
disk" mode. 

Using disk files will make the hard disk(s) show up as normal hard disks
in VMWare (i.e. the running OS will have no knowledge of how the disk is
actually laid out), so these issues are less likely to apply.

IMHO, it is always better to put DOS/NT partitions first, since Linux
handles living on the end of the disk much better.

 -- 
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
What the president of the Motion Picture Association of America says about 
taking away your constitutional rights:

"I'm rather jubilant now. What Judge Kaplan did was blow away every one of 
these brittle and fragile rebuttals. He threw out fair use; he threw out 
reverse engineering; he threw out linking."

- Jack Valenti, president of the Motion Picture Association of America.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
______         _ __         "If you don't have the freedom to use what you
  /           ' )  )               own - then you do not own anything."
 / o ______    /  / _  . .    No apologies to Jack Valenti or the MPAA
/ <_/ / / <   /  (_</_(_/_  -- tneu@visi.com / http://www.visi.com/~tneu --


From mpaulsen at charter.net  Mon Jan 15 13:49:55 2001
From: mpaulsen at charter.net (Mike Paulsen)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:44 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] ORBS to undergo changes
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010115132423.01d6aa30@mail.charter.net>

Seeing that ORBS and the various MAPS lists are a topic of discussion at 
next month's meeting I thought it would be worthwhile pointing out that 
Alan Brown is making some substantial changes to ORBS.

The zone has apparently gotten too big and relays.orbs.org is going away 
after Feb 1, 2001.  The result, if I'm reading the announcement correctly, 
is that it will be necessary to do 7 lookups to get the results which are 
currently generated by the single lookup at relays.orbs.org. This also 
means you can decide which lookups you are interested in doing, provided 
your server and bandwidth are willing and able.*

See:
http://www.orbs.org/usingindex.html

*I'm not saying this is a good or bad thing -- just different.**

-Mike

** I work for MAPS, but I don't speak for them. Standard disclaimers and 
whutnot.


From clay at fandre.com  Mon Jan 15 14:22:23 2001
From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:44 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Post Meeting Announcements
Message-ID: <3A635BFF.226CD0E6@fandre.com>

Here are a few post-meeting announcements:

1. Thanks to everyone who made it to the TCLUG meeting. I think we had
around 25 show up, with about half of them first-timers. Since we didn't
have a topic we did extended introductions with a Q-n-A session
afterwards. Some of the questions that came up were: How to firewall
your DSL connection, databases, libc5 vs glibc, and a lot of stuff I
can't remember right now. Overall I think it was a pretty good meetings.

2. The following TCLUG officer positions are still open.
	- Editor/publisher for a monthly electronic newsletter
	- "Goodies Guy" to bug vendors for free stuff
The positions can be shared, so let me know if you are willing to help
the LUG out in any way.

3. There was interest in having an installfest soon. I've put up a
webpoll so please take a second and vote. http://www.mn-linux.org

4. There will be a Linux Conference on Thursday April 12, 2001, which
will include an installfest. This event is geared towards Technical
Managers and Business owners, but anyone is welcome. I will put more
info up on the webpage in the next couple of weeks.

Thanks.

Clay
_______________________________________________
tclug-announce mailing list
tclug-announce@mn-linux.org
https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce

From wilson at visi.com  Mon Jan 15 14:28:48 2001
From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:44 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] replacement UPS batteries
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0101151426560.310-100000@isis.visi.com>

Hey everyone,

A buddy of mine just rescued an APC Smart-UPS 1250 from the trash heap at
work and gave it to me. It looks to be in perfect condition, but fails its
internal battery test. Presumably a new battery will put this thing back in
tip-top shape.

Any good places to find one in town? I don't want to pay shipping on one.

-Tim

--
Tim Wilson      | Visit Sibley online:         | Check out:
Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/
W. St. Paul, MN |                              | http://slashdot.org/
wilson@visi.com |   <dtml-var pithy_quote>     | http://linux.com/


From jasonj at innominatus.com  Mon Jan 15 14:47:01 2001
From: jasonj at innominatus.com (Jason J)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:44 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] replacement UPS batteries
References: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0101151426560.310-100000@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <3A6361C5.3D7B2E8B@innominatus.com>

I got 2 batteries for my APC Backup 400's at Batteries Plus for $25 each. I
thought that was a pretty good price.

www.batteriesplus.com for store locations.




Timothy Wilson wrote:

> Hey everyone,
>
> A buddy of mine just rescued an APC Smart-UPS 1250 from the trash heap at
> work and gave it to me. It looks to be in perfect condition, but fails its
> internal battery test. Presumably a new battery will put this thing back in
> tip-top shape.
>
> Any good places to find one in town? I don't want to pay shipping on one.
>
> -Tim
>
> --
> Tim Wilson      | Visit Sibley online:         | Check out:
> Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/
> W. St. Paul, MN |                              | http://slashdot.org/
> wilson@visi.com |   <dtml-var pithy_quote>     | http://linux.com/
>
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
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> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From tim at tneu.visi.com  Mon Jan 15 08:48:05 2001
From: tim at tneu.visi.com (tim)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:44 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] replacement UPS batteries
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0101151426560.310-100000@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0101150846350.19820-100000@tneu.visi.com>

On Mon, 15 Jan 2001, Timothy Wilson wrote:

> Hey everyone,
> 
> A buddy of mine just rescued an APC Smart-UPS 1250 from the trash heap at
> work and gave it to me. It looks to be in perfect condition, but fails its
> internal battery test. Presumably a new battery will put this thing back in
> tip-top shape.
> 
> Any good places to find one in town? I don't want to pay shipping on one.

I have heard that Batteries Plus can order them.  I've heard that
replacement UPS batteries are expensive enough that it can be cheaper to
buy a new UPS...

-- 
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
What the president of the Motion Picture Association of America says about 
taking away your constitutional rights:

"I'm rather jubilant now. What Judge Kaplan did was blow away every one of 
these brittle and fragile rebuttals. He threw out fair use; he threw out 
reverse engineering; he threw out linking."

- Jack Valenti, president of the Motion Picture Association of America.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
______         _ __         "If you don't have the freedom to use what you
  /           ' )  )               own - then you do not own anything."
 / o ______    /  / _  . .    No apologies to Jack Valenti or the MPAA
/ <_/ / / <   /  (_</_(_/_  -- tneu@visi.com / http://www.visi.com/~tneu --


From andyzb at ltiflex.com  Mon Jan 15 14:47:41 2001
From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:44 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Post Meeting Announcements
References: <3A635BFF.226CD0E6@fandre.com>
Message-ID: <3A6361ED.2B3CBD5F@ltiflex.com>

> 4. There will be a Linux Conference on Thursday April 12, 2001, which
> will include an installfest. This event is geared towards Technical
> Managers and Business owners, but anyone is welcome. I will put more
> info up on the webpage in the next couple of weeks.

Aww nuts. The one week where Linux (and computing in general...) will be
farthest from my mind. Ahh well, while you're all having fun installing I'm
taking my big head to Mexico. How is it that you consistantly pick the worst
days for installfests? ;)

--
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LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH)  763-428-9119 (EX) 132
21801 Industrial Blvd       | (FX)  763-428-9126
Rogers, MN  55374           | (PCS) 612-306-6055
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From andyzb at ltiflex.com  Mon Jan 15 14:48:48 2001
From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:44 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] replacement UPS batteries
References: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0101151426560.310-100000@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <3A636230.A1514A4E@ltiflex.com>

You could try Battaries Plus, they claim to have batteries for everything.
:) (And if they don't you can generally order it through them and get
reduced or no chipping charges.)

--
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LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH)  763-428-9119 (EX) 132
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From wisenskih at qwest.net  Mon Jan 15 15:00:47 2001
From: wisenskih at qwest.net (wisenskih@qwest.net)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:44 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Post Meeting Announcements
Message-ID: <200101152059.f0FKxQH27841@sprite.real-time.com>



> ** Original Subject: RE: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Post Meeting Announcements
> ** Original Sender: "Clay Fandre" <clay@fandre.com>
> ** Original Date: 15 Jan 2001 20:31:21 -0000

> ** Original Message follows... 

>
> Here are a few post-meeting announcements:
> 
> 1. Thanks to everyone who made it to the TCLUG meeting. I think we had
> around 25 show up, with about half of them first-timers. Since we didn't
> have a topic we did extended introductions with a Q-n-A session
> afterwards. Some of the questions that came up were: How to firewall
> your DSL connection, databases, libc5 vs glibc, and a lot of stuff I
> can't remember right now. Overall I think it was a pretty good meetings.
> 
> 2. The following TCLUG officer positions are still open.
> 	- Editor/publisher for a monthly electronic newsletter
> 	- "Goodies Guy" to bug vendors for free stuff
> The positions can be shared, so let me know if you are willing to help
> the LUG out in any way.
> 
> 3. There was interest in having an installfest soon. I've put up a
> webpoll so please take a second and vote. http://www.mn-linux.org
> 
> 4. There will be a Linux Conference on Thursday April 12, 2001, which
> will include an installfest. This event is geared towards Technical
> Managers and Business owners, but anyone is welcome. I will put more
> info up on the webpage in the next couple of weeks.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Clay
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-announce mailing list
> tclug-announce@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


>** --------- End Original Message ----------- **

> clay remenber at the meetting you told me to go ahead and contact
vendors for a install fest as a affialate of the twin cities linux user group
I am the newbee Henry Wisenski I have contacted 2 so far do you
want meto stop and or cancel? wisenskih@qwest.net 612-373-0791
                                                                           thank you
                                                                               Henry Wisenski

   Henry P. Wisenski

Download NeoPlanet at http://www.neoplanet.com


From cgahlon at citilink.com  Mon Jan 15 14:55:13 2001
From: cgahlon at citilink.com (Christopher Gahlon)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:44 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] replacement UPS batteries
References: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0101151426560.310-100000@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <3A6363B1.74B90156@citilink.com>

Any place that sells sealed lead acids should be fine.  Batteries Plus comes to
mind.
http://batteriesplus.com/locator.html

Just a head up though.  Back when I was working for Mn/DOT we used to replace
lots of batteries in UPS and sometime APC units had to be returned to the Mfgr
for "Calibration" for a nominal fee.  The UPS didn't work for very long, if at
all, with the new batteries.  So if it has very short life on the new ones
that's probably why.  It's not that hard to program...  I used to work on the
BBU that went in the power supply for the AS/400 and that thing worked
slick.    (The power supply it plugged into was another horror story though...
When it fails it sometimes shoots flames!! ;-)  Anyway, I'm rambeling on here.
The fee for calibration was cheap compared to the shipping charges....

Chris Gahlon

Timothy Wilson wrote:

> Hey everyone,
>
> A buddy of mine just rescued an APC Smart-UPS 1250 from the trash heap at
> work and gave it to me. It looks to be in perfect condition, but fails its
> internal battery test. Presumably a new battery will put this thing back in
> tip-top shape.
>
> Any good places to find one in town? I don't want to pay shipping on one.
>
> -Tim
>
> --
> Tim Wilson      | Visit Sibley online:         | Check out:
> Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/
> W. St. Paul, MN |                              | http://slashdot.org/
> wilson@visi.com |   <dtml-var pithy_quote>     | http://linux.com/
>
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From wilson at visi.com  Mon Jan 15 14:56:46 2001
From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:44 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] replacement UPS batteries
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0101150846350.19820-100000@tneu.visi.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0101151454180.7329-100000@isis.visi.com>

On Mon, 15 Jan 2001, tim wrote:

> I have heard that Batteries Plus can order them.  I've heard that
> replacement UPS batteries are expensive enough that it can be cheaper to
> buy a new UPS...

I just called Batteries Plus and it looks like they've got them for about
$65. I'll bring the old one in for recycling and to see if the one they have
is truly the right one. Not a bad price to pay to revive a 1250 VA UPS. I
could run my house for a few minutes with this thing. :-)

-Tim

--
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Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/
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From mkroska at readynetgo.com  Mon Jan 15 15:07:46 2001
From: mkroska at readynetgo.com (Mark K)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:44 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] replacement UPS batteries
In-Reply-To: <3A6361C5.3D7B2E8B@innominatus.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10101151453400.12495-100000@enterprise.readynetgo.com>

I would tend to agree.  Using Genuine APC products will triple the cost,
and it's probably not worth it.  Unless, that is, your Management Team(tm)
feels that they NEED TO USE GENUINE OEM PARTS.  Silly managers.

Batteries Plus is the way to go!

MK

On Mon, 15 Jan 2001, Jason J wrote:

> I got 2 batteries for my APC Backup 400's at Batteries Plus for $25 each. I
> thought that was a pretty good price.
> 
> www.batteriesplus.com for store locations.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Timothy Wilson wrote:
> 
> > Hey everyone,
> >
> > A buddy of mine just rescued an APC Smart-UPS 1250 from the trash heap at
> > work and gave it to me. It looks to be in perfect condition, but fails its
> > internal battery test. Presumably a new battery will put this thing back in
> > tip-top shape.
> >
> > Any good places to find one in town? I don't want to pay shipping on one.
> >
> > -Tim
> >
> > --
> > Tim Wilson      | Visit Sibley online:         | Check out:
> > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/
> > W. St. Paul, MN |                              | http://slashdot.org/
> > wilson@visi.com |   <dtml-var pithy_quote>     | http://linux.com/
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > tclug-list mailing list
> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

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From lanbarnes at earthlink.net  Mon Jan 15 15:25:23 2001
From: lanbarnes at earthlink.net (Lan Barnes)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:44 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] replacement UPS batteries
References: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0101151426560.310-100000@isis.visi.com> <3A6363B1.74B90156@citilink.com>
Message-ID: <3A636AC3.18DF6313@earthlink.net>

Christopher Gahlon wrote:
> 
> Any place that sells sealed lead acids should be fine.  Batteries Plus comes to
> mind.
> http://batteriesplus.com/locator.html
> 
> Just a head up though.  Back when I was working for Mn/DOT we used to replace
> lots of batteries in UPS and sometime APC units had to be returned to the Mfgr
> for "Calibration" for a nominal fee.  The UPS didn't work for very long, if at
> all, with the new batteries.  So if it has very short life on the new ones
> that's probably why.  It's not that hard to program...  I used to work on the
> BBU that went in the power supply for the AS/400 and that thing worked
> slick.    (The power supply it plugged into was another horror story though...
> When it fails it sometimes shoots flames!! ;-)  Anyway, I'm rambeling on here.
> The fee for calibration was cheap compared to the shipping charges....
> 

This isn't clear to me; can you clarify? If I buy a new battery for a UPS,
are you saying that it needs to be "calibrated:" by the manufacturer before
use, or the new battery will not last?

-- 
Lan Barnes                 lanbarnes@earthlink.net
Icon Consulting, Inc       858-273-6677

Never help a child with a task at which he
feels he can succeed.
                     - Maria Montessori

From wilson at visi.com  Mon Jan 15 15:52:56 2001
From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:44 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] UPS batteries (again)
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0101151548090.10712-100000@isis.visi.com>

Hey everyone,

As I mentioned previously, Batteries Plus has the batteries for $65. I just
opened up the UPS and found that there are two batteries connected in series
in there. One of them is labeled "NEW 1/26/2k" and the other has no
label. Is that $65/battery then? In other words, $130 total for a complete
UPS overhaul.

It seems unlikely that a year-old battery would be bad. Anyone have a
recommendation?

-Tim

--
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From john.komp at medtronic.com  Mon Jan 15 16:24:29 2001
From: john.komp at medtronic.com (John Komp)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:44 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Perl - Slackware - ttyS0
Message-ID: <sa632444.033@mspeos0.corp.medtronic.COM>

Hi,

I'm trying to use a Toshiba 430 laptop loaded with Slackware 7.1 as a
debug terminal. I've been trying to use minicom with a direct connection
to the target computer which is dumping serial data. Minicom for some
reason is only displaying some of the data but not all so I'd like to
build a much smaller program that just dumps the data arriving at the
serial port, ttyS0 to a file so I can debug the problem. I know the data
is being sent because I can connect the cable to another laptop running
Win95/qmodem and I get all the info sent.

My question is how can I set up Perl to attach to ttyS0? Do I just
treat it as a file at /dev/ttyS0?

Thanks for tolerating a newbe question,

-John


From andy at theasis.com  Mon Jan 15 16:32:47 2001
From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:45 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] UPS batteries (again)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0101151548090.10712-100000@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0101151631210.18867-100000@desmodus.theasis.com>

> It seems unlikely that a year-old battery would be bad. Anyone have a
> recommendation?

Maybe. Depends on how long it was sitting in what conditions, including
along with a dead one. 

You may want to test it just replacing the (apparently) oldest one,
but if that works safest bet is to replace them both. $130 is a steal for
that UPS.

Andy

> 
> -Tim
> 
> --
> Tim Wilson      | Visit Sibley online:         | Check out:


From austad at marketwatch.com  Mon Jan 15 16:36:19 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:45 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] UPS batteries (again)
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109270@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

http://auction.apcc.com

I got a brand spanking new APC 1400VA Smart-UPS there for $85.  It works
great.

Also, don't they just use standard 12volt lead acid batteries?  If you
didn't care how it looked, couldn't you get a deep cycle marine battery and
wire it in for more capacity?  Maybe a yellow top Optima Gel Cell for $129?

 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Timothy Wilson [mailto:wilson@visi.com]
> Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 3:53 PM
> To: TCLUG
> Subject: [TCLUG] UPS batteries (again)
> 
> 
> Hey everyone,
> 
> As I mentioned previously, Batteries Plus has the batteries 
> for $65. I just
> opened up the UPS and found that there are two batteries 
> connected in series
> in there. One of them is labeled "NEW 1/26/2k" and the other has no
> label. Is that $65/battery then? In other words, $130 total 
> for a complete
> UPS overhaul.
> 
> It seems unlikely that a year-old battery would be bad. Anyone have a
> recommendation?
> 
> -Tim
> 
> --
> Tim Wilson      | Visit Sibley online:         | Check out:
> Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/
> W. St. Paul, MN |                              | http://slashdot.org/
> wilson@visi.com |   <dtml-var pithy_quote>     | http://linux.com/
> 
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From austad at marketwatch.com  Mon Jan 15 16:36:19 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:45 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] UPS batteries (again)
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109270@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

http://auction.apcc.com

I got a brand spanking new APC 1400VA Smart-UPS there for $85.  It works
great.

Also, don't they just use standard 12volt lead acid batteries?  If you
didn't care how it looked, couldn't you get a deep cycle marine battery and
wire it in for more capacity?  Maybe a yellow top Optima Gel Cell for $129?

 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Timothy Wilson [mailto:wilson@visi.com]
> Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 3:53 PM
> To: TCLUG
> Subject: [TCLUG] UPS batteries (again)
> 
> 
> Hey everyone,
> 
> As I mentioned previously, Batteries Plus has the batteries 
> for $65. I just
> opened up the UPS and found that there are two batteries 
> connected in series
> in there. One of them is labeled "NEW 1/26/2k" and the other has no
> label. Is that $65/battery then? In other words, $130 total 
> for a complete
> UPS overhaul.
> 
> It seems unlikely that a year-old battery would be bad. Anyone have a
> recommendation?
> 
> -Tim
> 
> --
> Tim Wilson      | Visit Sibley online:         | Check out:
> Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/
> W. St. Paul, MN |                              | http://slashdot.org/
> wilson@visi.com |   <dtml-var pithy_quote>     | http://linux.com/
> 
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
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> 

From austad at marketwatch.com  Mon Jan 15 16:41:30 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:45 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Perl - Slackware - ttyS0
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109271@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

Does your device require flow control?  Most likely not.  Make sure you turn
off both hardware and software flow control. And try it again.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Komp [mailto:john.komp@medtronic.com]
> Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 4:24 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: [TCLUG] Perl - Slackware - ttyS0
> 
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm trying to use a Toshiba 430 laptop loaded with Slackware 7.1 as a
> debug terminal. I've been trying to use minicom with a direct 
> connection
> to the target computer which is dumping serial data. Minicom for some
> reason is only displaying some of the data but not all so I'd like to
> build a much smaller program that just dumps the data arriving at the
> serial port, ttyS0 to a file so I can debug the problem. I 
> know the data
> is being sent because I can connect the cable to another 
> laptop running
> Win95/qmodem and I get all the info sent.
> 
> My question is how can I set up Perl to attach to ttyS0? Do I just
> treat it as a file at /dev/ttyS0?
> 
> Thanks for tolerating a newbe question,
> 
> -John
> 
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

From austad at marketwatch.com  Mon Jan 15 16:43:56 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:45 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] UPS batteries (again)
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109272@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

I used to revive bad car batteries by buying a gallon jug of sulphuric acid
at a welding supply shop, and dumping the acid out of the battery and
refilling it with new stuff.  They would last another 3 years through cold
MN winters before they needed to be thrown out.  I wonder if you could do
that with the APC battery...


> -----Original Message-----
> From: andy@theasis.com [mailto:andy@theasis.com]
> Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 4:33 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Cc: TCLUG
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] UPS batteries (again)
> 
> 
> > It seems unlikely that a year-old battery would be bad. 
> Anyone have a
> > recommendation?
> 
> Maybe. Depends on how long it was sitting in what conditions, 
> including
> along with a dead one. 
> 
> You may want to test it just replacing the (apparently) oldest one,
> but if that works safest bet is to replace them both. $130 is 
> a steal for
> that UPS.
> 
> Andy
> 
> > 
> > -Tim
> > 
> > --
> > Tim Wilson      | Visit Sibley online:         | Check out:
> 
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

From austad at marketwatch.com  Mon Jan 15 16:43:56 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:45 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] UPS batteries (again)
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109272@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

I used to revive bad car batteries by buying a gallon jug of sulphuric acid
at a welding supply shop, and dumping the acid out of the battery and
refilling it with new stuff.  They would last another 3 years through cold
MN winters before they needed to be thrown out.  I wonder if you could do
that with the APC battery...


> -----Original Message-----
> From: andy@theasis.com [mailto:andy@theasis.com]
> Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 4:33 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Cc: TCLUG
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] UPS batteries (again)
> 
> 
> > It seems unlikely that a year-old battery would be bad. 
> Anyone have a
> > recommendation?
> 
> Maybe. Depends on how long it was sitting in what conditions, 
> including
> along with a dead one. 
> 
> You may want to test it just replacing the (apparently) oldest one,
> but if that works safest bet is to replace them both. $130 is 
> a steal for
> that UPS.
> 
> Andy
> 
> > 
> > -Tim
> > 
> > --
> > Tim Wilson      | Visit Sibley online:         | Check out:
> 
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

From austad at marketwatch.com  Mon Jan 15 16:47:26 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:45 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] ttf and xfs - argh!
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109273@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

>You need to run ttmkfdir (which'll make fonts.scale) and then mkfontdir.

Still no luck.  Weird.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Yaron [mailto:jethro@freakzilla.com]
> Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 2:48 AM
> To: TCLUG
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] ttf and xfs - argh!
> 
> 
>   Hi,
> 
> On Mon, 15 Jan 2001, Austad, Jay wrote:
> 
> > Anyone know what the problem is?  Some of the fonts were 
> taken from Windows,
> > and others were downloaded from some websites.
> 
> You need to run ttmkfdir (which'll make fonts.scale) and then 
> mkfontdir.
> 
> 
> -Yaron
> 
> --
> 
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

From austad at marketwatch.com  Mon Jan 15 16:47:26 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:45 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] ttf and xfs - argh!
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109273@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

>You need to run ttmkfdir (which'll make fonts.scale) and then mkfontdir.

Still no luck.  Weird.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Yaron [mailto:jethro@freakzilla.com]
> Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 2:48 AM
> To: TCLUG
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] ttf and xfs - argh!
> 
> 
>   Hi,
> 
> On Mon, 15 Jan 2001, Austad, Jay wrote:
> 
> > Anyone know what the problem is?  Some of the fonts were 
> taken from Windows,
> > and others were downloaded from some websites.
> 
> You need to run ttmkfdir (which'll make fonts.scale) and then 
> mkfontdir.
> 
> 
> -Yaron
> 
> --
> 
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

From drew at usfamily.net  Mon Jan 15 18:53:28 2001
From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:45 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Perl - Slackware - ttyS0
References: <sa632444.033@mspeos0.corp.medtronic.COM>
Message-ID: <000901c07f56$bdfc08a0$4d9a0ace@ancor.com>

You know on a SUN machine I use Kermit, I belive that there is a similar
program for linux. I've installed it but I never got a chance to use it. Try
that.
----- Original Message -----
From: John Komp <john.komp@medtronic.com>
To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 2:24 PM
Subject: [TCLUG] Perl - Slackware - ttyS0


>
> Hi,
>
> I'm trying to use a Toshiba 430 laptop loaded with Slackware 7.1 as a
> debug terminal. I've been trying to use minicom with a direct connection
> to the target computer which is dumping serial data. Minicom for some
> reason is only displaying some of the data but not all so I'd like to
> build a much smaller program that just dumps the data arriving at the
> serial port, ttyS0 to a file so I can debug the problem. I know the data
> is being sent because I can connect the cable to another laptop running
> Win95/qmodem and I get all the info sent.
>
> My question is how can I set up Perl to attach to ttyS0? Do I just
> treat it as a file at /dev/ttyS0?
>
> Thanks for tolerating a newbe question,
>
> -John
>
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list



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From andy at theasis.com  Mon Jan 15 16:54:46 2001
From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:45 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] UPS batteries (again)
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109272@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0101151652540.18867-100000@desmodus.theasis.com>

> I used to revive bad car batteries by buying a gallon jug of sulphuric acid
> at a welding supply shop, and dumping the acid out of the battery and

Um. Dumping it where?

> refilling it with new stuff.  They would last another 3 years through cold
> MN winters before they needed to be thrown out.  I wonder if you could do
> that with the APC battery...

I'm no battery expert, but I don't think that'd work with these APCs, nor
even for all modern car batteries. 

BTW, why do your posts always get duplicated:
	To: "'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'" <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
	Cc: TCLUG <tclug-list@lists.real-time.com>

Andy





From cgahlon at citilink.com  Mon Jan 15 17:07:38 2001
From: cgahlon at citilink.com (Christopher Gahlon)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:45 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] replacement UPS batteries
References: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0101151426560.310-100000@isis.visi.com> <3A6363B1.74B90156@citilink.com> <3A636AC3.18DF6313@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <3A6382BA.43B0665A@citilink.com>

In some instances the UPS would not completely discharge the new batteries.  In other
instances it would not completely charge following a discharge.  APC didn't give us a
good explanation for it, and I didn't have the time to reverse engineer their
circuitry so we just sent the UPS in.  We didn't always have to do this.  There was
no corrilation between battery/ups age and this occurance.  If we got 3 minutes out
of em at full load we were happy and didn't send em in.

The only possible explination is that the EEPROM might have taken a static hit while
we were digging inside.  So use ESD precautions while digging around inside.  Option
12 on this list:
http://159.215.19.5/kbasewb2.nsf/For+External/0E34F49857898AA9852566C200516E58?OpenDocument

They had us do this before sending in bad units.

Chris Gahlon

Lan Barnes wrote:

> Christopher Gahlon wrote:
> >
> > Any place that sells sealed lead acids should be fine.  Batteries Plus comes to
> > mind.
> > http://batteriesplus.com/locator.html
> >
> > Just a head up though.  Back when I was working for Mn/DOT we used to replace
> > lots of batteries in UPS and sometime APC units had to be returned to the Mfgr
> > for "Calibration" for a nominal fee.  The UPS didn't work for very long, if at
> > all, with the new batteries.  So if it has very short life on the new ones
> > that's probably why.  It's not that hard to program...  I used to work on the
> > BBU that went in the power supply for the AS/400 and that thing worked
> > slick.    (The power supply it plugged into was another horror story though...
> > When it fails it sometimes shoots flames!! ;-)  Anyway, I'm rambeling on here.
> > The fee for calibration was cheap compared to the shipping charges....
> >
>
> This isn't clear to me; can you clarify? If I buy a new battery for a UPS,
> are you saying that it needs to be "calibrated:" by the manufacturer before
> use, or the new battery will not last?
>
> --
> Lan Barnes                 lanbarnes@earthlink.net
> Icon Consulting, Inc       858-273-6677
>
> Never help a child with a task at which he
> feels he can succeed.
>                      - Maria Montessori
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From tobytoo at black-hole.com  Mon Jan 15 19:46:33 2001
From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (b. toberman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:45 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] dye sublimation printer for sale/trade
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0101150308210.4466-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <3A63A7F9.7A92DBF2@black-hole.com>

How much you asking for the sparcs?

Yaron wrote:

>   Hi,
>
> On Mon, 15 Jan 2001, Scott Dier wrote:
>
> > > Ive got a 19" Sun branded sony trinitron.  Its sitting in my closet. :)
>
> You suck! I was gonna offer him two SPARCclassics... they have 72MB of
> RAM! And 420MB drives!!! I've actually frankensteined one of them into
> having TWO 420MB drives!!!
>
> -Yaron
>
> --
>
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From jethro at freakzilla.com  Mon Jan 15 20:23:19 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:45 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] dye sublimation printer for sale/trade
In-Reply-To: <3A63A7F9.7A92DBF2@black-hole.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0101152022450.21834-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>

  Hi,

On Mon, 15 Jan 2001, b. toberman wrote:

> How much you asking for the sparcs?

Well, first you have to take back that broken monitor (:

I dunno, do you have anything interesting?


-Yaron

--


From austad at marketwatch.com  Mon Jan 15 20:47:44 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:45 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] UPS batteries (again)
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109274@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

> BTW, why do your posts always get duplicated:
> 	To: "'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'" <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
> 	Cc: TCLUG <tclug-list@lists.real-time.com>

I only send to the mn-linux.org list.  Let me know if this one gets
duplicated too.  I don't receive dups when my messages come through.

> Um. Dumping it where?

In a 5 gallon bucket.  I gave it to the guy at the radiator shop across the
street.  He apparently used it for something.  He never told me what though.
:O


> -----Original Message-----
> From: andy@theasis.com [mailto:andy@theasis.com]
> Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 4:55 PM
> To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'
> Subject: RE: [TCLUG] UPS batteries (again)
> 
> 
> > I used to revive bad car batteries by buying a gallon jug 
> of sulphuric acid
> > at a welding supply shop, and dumping the acid out of the 
> battery and
> 
> Um. Dumping it where?
> 
> > refilling it with new stuff.  They would last another 3 
> years through cold
> > MN winters before they needed to be thrown out.  I wonder 
> if you could do
> > that with the APC battery...
> 
> I'm no battery expert, but I don't think that'd work with 
> these APCs, nor
> even for all modern car batteries. 
> 
> BTW, why do your posts always get duplicated:
> 	To: "'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'" <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
> 	Cc: TCLUG <tclug-list@lists.real-time.com>
> 
> Andy
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 

From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu  Mon Jan 15 21:26:40 2001
From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:45 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] ttf and xfs - argh!
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109273@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <3A63BF70.C1BFDE82@tc.umn.edu>

"Austad, Jay" wrote:
> 
> >You need to run ttmkfdir (which'll make fonts.scale) and then mkfontdir.
> 
> Still no luck.  Weird.

did you remember to add the font directory to the X server's list?

edit xfs's config or run `xset fp+ /full/path/to/font/dir; xset fp
rehash'

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From austad at marketwatch.com  Mon Jan 15 21:33:15 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:45 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] ttf and xfs - argh!
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109276@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

The font directory is already in the list.  It contains some fonts that were
originally installed and I can use them just fine.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Hicks [mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu]
> Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 9:27 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] ttf and xfs - argh!
> 
> 
> "Austad, Jay" wrote:
> > 
> > >You need to run ttmkfdir (which'll make fonts.scale) and 
> then mkfontdir.
> > 
> > Still no luck.  Weird.
> 
> did you remember to add the font directory to the X server's list?
> 
> edit xfs's config or run `xset fp+ /full/path/to/font/dir; xset fp
> rehash'
> 
> -- 
>  _  _  _  _ _  ___    _ _  _  ___ _ _  __   Curiouser and curiouser 
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From tobytoo at black-hole.com  Mon Jan 15 22:09:41 2001
From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (b. toberman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:46 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] dye sublimation printer for sale/trade
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0101152022450.21834-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <3A63C985.43FC66CD@black-hole.com>

OK I can pitch it.
Nothing that I'm not using at this time, and don't ask me why I want a
sparc, I'm not sure either.

Yaron wrote:

>   Hi,
>
> On Mon, 15 Jan 2001, b. toberman wrote:
>
> > How much you asking for the sparcs?
>
> Well, first you have to take back that broken monitor (:
>
> I dunno, do you have anything interesting?
>
> -Yaron
>
> --
>
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From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu  Mon Jan 15 22:58:11 2001
From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:46 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] BIND / named / inetd.conf
In-Reply-To: <3A63C985.43FC66CD@black-hole.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0101152254010.19551-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>

First time getting BIND going on the little net here, and I wonder if
anyone can answer a question for me.

I think I have my zones and reverse lookups set up OK, but I get two
problems:

1:	nslookup never tells me that I have an authoritative lookup.
2:	Sometimes things act funny -- i.e. dig says that it can't find
	the server.

Could this be that I don't have named set up in my inetd.conf?  It looks
to me like I don't.  If that's it, do I have anything to watch for when
setting a line up in inetd.conf?

This is Debian potato, BTW.

Cheers and thanks,
Phil M

-- 
"To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous


From austad at marketwatch.com  Tue Jan 16 00:01:52 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:46 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] BIND / named / inetd.conf
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109278@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

You don't have to do anything with inetd.  Inetd is only for setting up
network access to programs that don't normally run as a daemon.

You have your IN NS lines setup correctly and the SOA at the top of the
config file?  

Does nslookup say "non-authoritative"?  If not, it's considered
authoritative.

Keep in mind that you cannot give your DNS server a private address and NAT
it to a public one.  I've heard that you might be able to with Bind 9, but I
haven't tried it.  This doesn't sound like your problem, but keep that in
mind.

Jay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Philip C Mendelsohn [mailto:mend0070@tc.umn.edu]
> Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 10:58 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: [TCLUG] BIND / named / inetd.conf
> 
> 
> First time getting BIND going on the little net here, and I wonder if
> anyone can answer a question for me.
> 
> I think I have my zones and reverse lookups set up OK, but I get two
> problems:
> 
> 1:	nslookup never tells me that I have an authoritative lookup.
> 2:	Sometimes things act funny -- i.e. dig says that it can't find
> 	the server.
> 
> Could this be that I don't have named set up in my 
> inetd.conf?  It looks
> to me like I don't.  If that's it, do I have anything to 
> watch for when
> setting a line up in inetd.conf?
> 
> This is Debian potato, BTW.
> 
> Cheers and thanks,
> Phil M
> 
> -- 
> "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous
> 
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> 

From JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com  Tue Jan 16 06:40:18 2001
From: JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com (Miller, John)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:46 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] vgetty and voice mail
Message-ID: <C8E57CE8F221D411A24600A0C99D90FD02A505C1@mail2.ROG.COM>

I am still working on getting vgetty to act at my answering machine.  It
apears
that vgetty checks the modem about every hour to make sure that it is still
alive.  Here is a the output from the messages log.  I am not familiar
enough
with this to understand the "No such process part".  I looks like everthing
is
fine.  When the phone rings it spits out about 60 lines of information, but
for
now, I would like to understand this  Can anyone tell what it is looking for
or
where I might start looking to get rid of the "No such process part".

Jan 14 04:08:06 nic-163-c168-040 vgetty[2421]:   select returned 0: No such
process
Jan 14 04:08:06 nic-163-c168-040 vgetty[2421]: checking if modem is still
alive: No such process
Jan 14 04:08:06 nic-163-c168-040 vgetty[2421]:  makelock(ttyS3) called: No
such process
Jan 14 04:08:06 nic-163-c168-040 vgetty[2421]:  do_makelock:
lock='/var/lock/LCK..ttyS3': No such process
Jan 14 04:08:06 nic-163-c168-040 vgetty[2421]:  lock made: No such process
Jan 14 04:08:06 nic-163-c168-040 vgetty[2421]: mdm_send: 'AT': No such
process
Jan 14 04:08:06 nic-163-c168-040 vgetty[2421]:   got:: No such process
Jan 14 04:08:06 nic-163-c168-040 vgetty[2421]:  mdm_command: string 'OK': No
such process
Jan 14 04:08:06 nic-163-c168-040 vgetty[2421]:  waiting for line to clear
(VTIME), read: : No such process
Jan 14 04:08:07 nic-163-c168-040 vgetty[2421]:  removing lock file: No such
process
Jan 14 04:08:07 nic-163-c168-040 vgetty[2421]: waiting...: No such process


John Miller
Dain Rauscher Inc.
Application Services
IS Capital Markets
Phone 612-547-7573
Fax 612-547-7580


From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu  Tue Jan 16 09:15:43 2001
From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:46 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] BIND / named / inetd.conf
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109278@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0101160908470.2932-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>

On Tue, 16 Jan 2001, Austad, Jay wrote:

> You don't have to do anything with inetd.  Inetd is only for setting up
> network access to programs that don't normally run as a daemon.

Thanks -- I just found that in a book before I checked my e-mail.  Doh!

> You have your IN NS lines setup correctly and the SOA at the top of the
> config file?  

I believe so -- will double check.

> Does nslookup say "non-authoritative"?  If not, it's considered
> authoritative.

nslookup says Non-authoritative.  Even for the 127 lookup.  I saw
something about this in some bind doc files, but am still grepping for it.

> Keep in mind that you cannot give your DNS server a private address and NAT
> it to a public one.  I've heard that you might be able to with Bind 9, but I
> haven't tried it.  This doesn't sound like your problem, but keep that in
> mind.

That's clever, but I don't think I need to be that clever.

Here's a question that is either related to both topics or not:

Can you make your NS authoritative locally and also do a caching DNS, or
should you really do two separate NS?  (To do local DNS, and then speed up
lookups to the outside world.)

The reason I wonder if this is related is that when going through the DNS
HOWTO, I didn't spend much time with the caching server, and don't know if
I got it working right but just jumped to the local one (and deleted the
db.root reference)

I think I'm close.  Files available on request.

Thanks,
Phil

-- 
"To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous


From austad at marketwatch.com  Tue Jan 16 09:31:50 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:46 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] BIND / named / inetd.conf
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10927E@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

A caching nameserver is simply a server which is not authoritative for any
domains.  You can have yours be authoritative and point all of your boxes at
it for lookups also.  Anything it looks up will be cached normally.

Jay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Philip C Mendelsohn [mailto:mend0070@tc.umn.edu]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 9:16 AM
> To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'
> Subject: RE: [TCLUG] BIND / named / inetd.conf
> 
> 
> On Tue, 16 Jan 2001, Austad, Jay wrote:
> 
> > You don't have to do anything with inetd.  Inetd is only 
> for setting up
> > network access to programs that don't normally run as a daemon.
> 
> Thanks -- I just found that in a book before I checked my 
> e-mail.  Doh!
> 
> > You have your IN NS lines setup correctly and the SOA at 
> the top of the
> > config file?  
> 
> I believe so -- will double check.
> 
> > Does nslookup say "non-authoritative"?  If not, it's considered
> > authoritative.
> 
> nslookup says Non-authoritative.  Even for the 127 lookup.  I saw
> something about this in some bind doc files, but am still 
> grepping for it.
> 
> > Keep in mind that you cannot give your DNS server a private 
> address and NAT
> > it to a public one.  I've heard that you might be able to 
> with Bind 9, but I
> > haven't tried it.  This doesn't sound like your problem, 
> but keep that in
> > mind.
> 
> That's clever, but I don't think I need to be that clever.
> 
> Here's a question that is either related to both topics or not:
> 
> Can you make your NS authoritative locally and also do a 
> caching DNS, or
> should you really do two separate NS?  (To do local DNS, and 
> then speed up
> lookups to the outside world.)
> 
> The reason I wonder if this is related is that when going 
> through the DNS
> HOWTO, I didn't spend much time with the caching server, and 
> don't know if
> I got it working right but just jumped to the local one (and 
> deleted the
> db.root reference)
> 
> I think I'm close.  Files available on request.
> 
> Thanks,
> Phil
> 
> -- 
> "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> 

From cop7586 at hotmail.com  Tue Jan 16 09:36:55 2001
From: cop7586 at hotmail.com (Chris Opp)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:46 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] New Kernel Installation
Message-ID: <F214eXq1vzcnehiv0Cm0001a067@hotmail.com>


I have a computer that has on one partition windows and on the other Linux 
(Mandrake 7.0 I think) Now i downloaded the new kernel 2.4.0 under windows 
and saved it to a folder on my HD. If I then reboot and start under linux 
and mount the dos partition I can access that same file.Do i need to move 
the 2.4.0 kernel to the linux partition before i do anything with it? Or 
does it not matter? Can I just unzip it and move it later to the /home 
directory under root? And that command might be:

cd /mnt/Dos_hda1

$ cp hda1/[file name] /home (This could be completly wrong)


or should i use:

$ mv /Dos_hda1/mydownloads/Kernel /home

Essentially copying or moving files from one partition to another.


Chris







_________________________________________________________________
Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com


From jethro at freakzilla.com  Tue Jan 16 09:46:13 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:46 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] New Kernel Installation
In-Reply-To: <F214eXq1vzcnehiv0Cm0001a067@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0101160943580.21834-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>

  Hi,

On Tue, 16 Jan 2001, Chris Opp wrote:

> $ mv /Dos_hda1/mydownloads/Kernel /home

The kernel's in a .tar.gz (or bz2) file, you can leave that wherever. I
would uncompress it INTO your home directory, or whatever build
environment you use:

% cd ~
% mkdir build
% cd build
% tar zxvf /Dos_hda1/mydownloads/Kernel.tar.gz

If the kernel's a .bz2, use 'tar Ixvf'.

This should make a directory named 'linux' in the current directory.
Change into that and run  'make menuconfig' or 'make xconfig' if you're in
X, or 'make config' if you're a masochist/nostalgic.

HTH,

-Yaron

--


From bob at math.umn.edu  Tue Jan 16 10:37:23 2001
From: bob at math.umn.edu (bob@math.umn.edu)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:46 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] movies
In-Reply-To: <3A6334D1.C4C8961D@earthlink.net> from Lan Barnes at "Jan 15, 2001
 09:35:13 am"
Message-ID: <20010116163723.22714.qmail@khusro.math.umn.edu>

Lan Barnes allegedly wrote:
> Yaron wrote:
> > 
> >   Hi,
> > 
> > On Fri, 12 Jan 2001, Michael Hicks wrote:
> > 
> > > Okay, was anyone else out there bored enough to go spend $7.50 to see
> > > `Antitrust'?  I wouldn't be surprised if you don't want to admit it ;-)
> > 
> > I still refuse to watch any computer-centric movie. Bad enough I got
> > tricked into that big fakenet thing in Goldeneye.
> > 
> > I wish 'Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon' was showing at a decent theatre!

Decent theater?  The Uptown is IMHO _the_ place for a big screen epic 
because, well, it has a big screen.  BTW, CTHD good.  :^)

> > Michelle Yeoh rules btw. And just to make this semi-on-topic, anyone want
> > my Michelle Yeoh desktop background? (:
> 
> I dunno. "War Games" was kinda good (OK, so it was 15 years ago), and Mary
> McDonnell (Liz) made "Sneakers" bearable for me . Quiet brainy types weaken
> my knees :-)

Ex-officio adjunct sub-assistant to the vice treasurer of the Prospect Park Willow Rosenberg fan club,
Chris
-- 
C.S. Cornuelle 
School of Mathematics/MCIM, University of Minnesota
206 Church St. SE, Minneapolis, MN 55455
(612) 626-8930v, (612) 624-2333f, bob at math.umn.edu
Ferventer Vestite

From andyzb at ltiflex.com  Tue Jan 16 10:46:46 2001
From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:46 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Intigrated NIC
References: <3A633E6B.A89FE61C@ltiflex.com>
Message-ID: <3A647AF6.B9B101DC@ltiflex.com>

Andy Zbikowski wrote:
> 
> I'm trying to install Debian on a brand new OptiPlex 150. The one hangup I
> have is that the intigrated NIC doesn't seem to be supported. I know that
> the NIC is a 3com, and it's probally in the 3c9XX series, but it doesn't
> seem to be supported by the 3c59x driver. For now I stuck a 3c905 in and
> will try 3com's Linux driver after the install. Anyone ever tried getting
> linux going on one of these machines?

Looks like I was on the right track, the onboard NIC is a 3Com 3C905B,
3C905C (Tornado) or 3C905C (Revolution), and 2.2.18 only supports the
Vortex/Boomerang without 3com's patch. (Patch is for 2.2.5 but it patches
cleanly agnist 2.2.18) This makes network installs a bit interesting, but
doable. The Debian installer supports vendor supplied modules now, or you
can go the route I did (put in an extra NIC until you get around to
patching/recompiling) 

Next challenge is sound. Looks like the on board audio is supported in
ALSA... *crossing fingers as alsa compiles*

--
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LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH)  763-428-9119 (EX) 132
21801 Industrial Blvd       | (FX)  763-428-9126
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From lanbarnes at earthlink.net  Tue Jan 16 11:34:05 2001
From: lanbarnes at earthlink.net (Lan Barnes)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:46 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] movies
References: <20010116163723.22714.qmail@khusro.math.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <3A64860D.8E5BD531@earthlink.net>

bob@math.umn.edu wrote:
> 
> Lan Barnes allegedly wrote:
> > and Mary
> > McDonnell (Liz) made "Sneakers" bearable for me . Quiet brainy types weaken
> > my knees :-)
> 
> Ex-officio adjunct sub-assistant to the vice treasurer of the Prospect Park Willow Rosenberg fan club,
> Chris

Send me the membership paperwork (Alyson Hannigan is a double whammy, being
a redhead).

-- 
Lan Barnes                 lanbarnes@earthlink.net
Icon Consulting, Inc       858-273-6677

Bill Gates would not be alive today if the Unibomber
had tried to install Windows 95.
                                    - Anonymous

From bob at math.umn.edu  Tue Jan 16 12:05:16 2001
From: bob at math.umn.edu (bob@math.umn.edu)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:46 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] movies
In-Reply-To: <3A64860D.8E5BD531@earthlink.net> from Lan Barnes at "Jan 16, 2001
 09:34:05 am"
Message-ID: <20010116180516.23006.qmail@khusro.math.umn.edu>

Lan Barnes allegedly wrote:
> bob@math.umn.edu wrote:
> > 
> > Lan Barnes allegedly wrote:
> > > and Mary
> > > McDonnell (Liz) made "Sneakers" bearable for me . Quiet brainy types weaken
> > > my knees :-)
> > 
> > Ex-officio adjunct sub-assistant to the vice treasurer of the Prospect Park Willow Rosenberg fan club,
> > Chris
> 
> Send me the membership paperwork (Alyson Hannigan is a double whammy, being
> a redhead).

Good thing, then, that you haven't met my wife.  :^)

BTW, in the course of our imminent move to Utah (boo), my machine will be
packed away for some time.  Would someone like to recommend a source for 
decent used machines - desktop or laptop - that delivers nationally?  I've
had a hard time coming up with any "good" leads on something that is, shall
we say, "bludgeoning edge."

Adios,
Chris
-- 
C.S. Cornuelle 
School of Mathematics/MCIM, University of Minnesota
206 Church St. SE, Minneapolis, MN 55455
(612) 626-8930v, (612) 624-2333f, bob at math.umn.edu
Ferventer Vestite

From lanbarnes at earthlink.net  Tue Jan 16 12:32:20 2001
From: lanbarnes at earthlink.net (Lan Barnes)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:46 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] movies
References: <20010116180516.23006.qmail@khusro.math.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <3A6493B4.35989FE1@earthlink.net>

bob@math.umn.edu wrote:
> 
> Lan Barnes allegedly wrote:
> > bob@math.umn.edu wrote:
> > >
> > > Lan Barnes allegedly wrote:
> > > > and Mary
> > > > McDonnell (Liz) made "Sneakers" bearable for me . Quiet brainy types weaken
> > > > my knees :-)
> > >
> > > Ex-officio adjunct sub-assistant to the vice treasurer of the Prospect Park Willow Rosenberg fan club,
> > > Chris
> >
> > Send me the membership paperwork (Alyson Hannigan is a double whammy, being
> > a redhead).
> 
> Good thing, then, that you haven't met my wife.  :^)

I won't go there.

> 
> BTW, in the course of our imminent move to Utah (boo), 

I won't go there, either ;-)

<god help me, I couldn't resist that>

-- 
Lan Barnes                 lanbarnes@earthlink.net
Icon Consulting, Inc       858-273-6677

The nice thing about dealing with real 5-year-olds
is that they're easily distracted and get over their
tantrums quickly.
                        - Molly Ivins

From austad at marketwatch.com  Tue Jan 16 12:59:30 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:46 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] perl regex question
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109289@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

Ok, I have this shell script that pipes some stuff to xargs.  Some of the
stuff has lone single quotes in it and breaks the pipe to xargs because of
an unmatched quote error.  So to fix this, I do something like:

cat filname.txt | perl -pi -e "s/\'/\\\'/g" | xargs ....

How can I modify that perl statement so it will take single quotes, double
quotes, greater/less than signs, question marks, and asterisks, and replace
them with a backslash and then themselves?

* would be \*
? would be \?
" would be \"
and so on.

I don't want to have a bunch of -e statements in my little perl command.

Jay

From jethro at freakzilla.com  Tue Jan 16 13:00:38 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:46 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] movies
In-Reply-To: <20010116163723.22714.qmail@khusro.math.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0101161300070.21834-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>

  Hi,

On Tue, 16 Jan 2001 bob@math.umn.edu wrote:

> Decent theater?  The Uptown is IMHO _the_ place for a big screen epic
> because, well, it has a big screen.  BTW, CTHD good.  :^)

I thought it was playing in that other theatre next to that one.

Was it dubbed or subtitled?


-Yaron

--


From DomokosZ at esi.com  Tue Jan 16 13:04:21 2001
From: DomokosZ at esi.com (Zsolt Domokos)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:46 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Console mode resolution
Message-ID: <C04BDB0943ACD4118BAE0008C7B1A2BE1394B1@mspa1.elcsci.com>

Hi All,
I installed Mandrake 7.2 and unfortunately selected console res 800x600. The
console console not the X console (C-M-F1). Where is the config file so I
could set it back to original res or tweak it since with this res the whole
display is shifted so much I cant read half of my screen. Pretty
embarrassing.

Thanks.

Zsolt Domokos

mailto:domokosz@esi.com

From kethry at winternet.com  Tue Jan 16 13:13:29 2001
From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:47 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] perl regex question
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109289@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10101161311270.28337-100000@tundra.winternet.com>

On Tue, 16 Jan 2001, Austad, Jay wrote:

> Ok, I have this shell script that pipes some stuff to xargs.  Some of the
> stuff has lone single quotes in it and breaks the pipe to xargs because of
> an unmatched quote error.  So to fix this, I do something like:
> 
> cat filname.txt | perl -pi -e "s/\'/\\\'/g" | xargs ....

perl -pi -e "s/(\W)/\\$1/g" should do the trick - \W looks for all non
alphanumeric characters - putting it in parenthesis turns it into a
segment for backreferencing, $1 is the backreference variable

 > 
> How can I modify that perl statement so it will take single quotes, double
> quotes, greater/less than signs, question marks, and asterisks, and replace
> them with a backslash and then themselves?
> 
> * would be \*
> ? would be \?
> " would be \"
> and so on.
> 
> I don't want to have a bunch of -e statements in my little perl command.
> 
> Jay
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

-- 
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e-mail:  kethry@winternet.com
URL:  http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html


From kethry at winternet.com  Tue Jan 16 13:14:09 2001
From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:47 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] movies
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0101161300070.21834-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10101161313510.28337-100000@tundra.winternet.com>

It will be at the Lagoon next it seems - but as of Friday it wasn't there
yet.

On Tue, 16 Jan 2001, Yaron wrote:

>   Hi,
> 
> On Tue, 16 Jan 2001 bob@math.umn.edu wrote:
> 
> > Decent theater?  The Uptown is IMHO _the_ place for a big screen epic
> > because, well, it has a big screen.  BTW, CTHD good.  :^)
> 
> I thought it was playing in that other theatre next to that one.
> 
> Was it dubbed or subtitled?
> 
> 
> -Yaron
> 
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From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com  Tue Jan 16 13:16:49 2001
From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:47 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] movies
Message-ID: <0G7900H6ZSD5H0@mail1.supervalu.com>

CTHD is a subtitled foreign film.

Damn Sony for not widely releasing it in the Twin Cities area, argh!

Regardless, I've seen it anyways - and it is an incredibly good film, one of
past year's top 3.  (CTHD, Traffic, Remember the Titans)

Oh, when you go to the Uptown theatre, I recommend having exact change.
If you're waiting in the line outside the theatre (and you will be), there will
people outside selling the tickets to you.  ($7.50/ticket)

FYI, the theatre next to the Uptown theatre is the Lagoon.

- Nick Reinking





jethro@freakzilla.com, on 01/16/2001 01:00:38 PM
To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF
cc:  
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] [OT] movies

  Hi,

On Tue, 16 Jan 2001 bob@math.umn.edu wrote:

> Decent theater?  The Uptown is IMHO _the_ place for a big screen epic
> because, well, it has a big screen.  BTW, CTHD good.  :^)

I thought it was playing in that other theatre next to that one.

Was it dubbed or subtitled?


-Yaron

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From bob at math.umn.edu  Tue Jan 16 13:35:00 2001
From: bob at math.umn.edu (bob@math.umn.edu)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:47 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] movies
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0101161300070.21834-100000@Tiger.yaron.org> from
 Yaron at "Jan 16, 2001 01:00:38 pm"
Message-ID: <20010116193500.23428.qmail@khusro.math.umn.edu>

Yaron allegedly wrote:
>   Hi,
> 
> On Tue, 16 Jan 2001 bob@math.umn.edu wrote:
> 
> > Decent theater?  The Uptown is IMHO _the_ place for a big screen epic
> > because, well, it has a big screen.  BTW, CTHD good.  :^)
> 
> I thought it was playing in that other theatre next to that one.
> 
> Was it dubbed or subtitled?

Subtitled in nice print.  Accuracy?  No idea.

Adios,
Chris
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From austad at marketwatch.com  Tue Jan 16 13:38:11 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:47 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] perl regex question
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10928B@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

Doesn't work.  I modified it because I'm calling it in a shell and some of
the chars were being interpreted by the shell.  But it still doesn't work.
Nothing gets replaced.  Any ideas?


perl -pi -e "s/\(\\W\)/\\\$1/ge"

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Liz Burke-Scovill [mailto:kethry@winternet.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 1:13 PM
> To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] perl regex question
> 
> 
> On Tue, 16 Jan 2001, Austad, Jay wrote:
> 
> > Ok, I have this shell script that pipes some stuff to 
> xargs.  Some of the
> > stuff has lone single quotes in it and breaks the pipe to 
> xargs because of
> > an unmatched quote error.  So to fix this, I do something like:
> > 
> > cat filname.txt | perl -pi -e "s/\'/\\\'/g" | xargs ....
> 
> perl -pi -e "s/(\W)/\\$1/g" should do the trick - \W looks for all non
> alphanumeric characters - putting it in parenthesis turns it into a
> segment for backreferencing, $1 is the backreference variable
> 
>  > 
> > How can I modify that perl statement so it will take single 
> quotes, double
> > quotes, greater/less than signs, question marks, and 
> asterisks, and replace
> > them with a backslash and then themselves?
> > 
> > * would be \*
> > ? would be \?
> > " would be \"
> > and so on.
> > 
> > I don't want to have a bunch of -e statements in my little 
> perl command.
> > 
> > Jay
> > _______________________________________________
> > tclug-list mailing list
> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > 
> 
> -- 
> Imagination is intelligence having fun...
> e-mail:  kethry@winternet.com
> URL:  http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html
> 
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From kethry at winternet.com  Tue Jan 16 15:55:14 2001
From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:47 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] perl regex question
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10928B@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10101161553130.29025-100000@tundra.winternet.com>

run the perl script from a file? I know that sounds trite, but then you
don't have to worry about the command line interpretting your escape
characters literally - ideally if you can run it from the shell prompt,
you can run the shell commands from within a perl script as well.

On Tue, 16 Jan 2001, Austad, Jay wrote:

> Doesn't work.  I modified it because I'm calling it in a shell and some of
> the chars were being interpreted by the shell.  But it still doesn't work.
> Nothing gets replaced.  Any ideas?
> 
> 
> perl -pi -e "s/\(\\W\)/\\\$1/ge"
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Liz Burke-Scovill [mailto:kethry@winternet.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 1:13 PM
> > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'
> > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] perl regex question
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, 16 Jan 2001, Austad, Jay wrote:
> > 
> > > Ok, I have this shell script that pipes some stuff to 
> > xargs.  Some of the
> > > stuff has lone single quotes in it and breaks the pipe to 
> > xargs because of
> > > an unmatched quote error.  So to fix this, I do something like:
> > > 
> > > cat filname.txt | perl -pi -e "s/\'/\\\'/g" | xargs ....
> > 
> > perl -pi -e "s/(\W)/\\$1/g" should do the trick - \W looks for all non
> > alphanumeric characters - putting it in parenthesis turns it into a
> > segment for backreferencing, $1 is the backreference variable
> > 
> >  > 
> > > How can I modify that perl statement so it will take single 
> > quotes, double
> > > quotes, greater/less than signs, question marks, and 
> > asterisks, and replace
> > > them with a backslash and then themselves?
> > > 
> > > * would be \*
> > > ? would be \?
> > > " would be \"
> > > and so on.
> > > 
> > > I don't want to have a bunch of -e statements in my little 
> > perl command.
> > > 
> > > Jay
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > tclug-list mailing list
> > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Imagination is intelligence having fun...
> > e-mail:  kethry@winternet.com
> > URL:  http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > tclug-list mailing list
> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > 
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
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> 

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From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu  Tue Jan 16 16:03:38 2001
From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:47 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] perl regex question
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10928B@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 01:38:11PM -0600
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10928B@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <20010116160338.D28324@sorry.cs.umn.edu>

On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 01:38:11PM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote:
> Doesn't work.  I modified it because I'm calling it in a shell and some of
> the chars were being interpreted by the shell.  But it still doesn't work.
> Nothing gets replaced.  Any ideas?
> 
> 
> perl -pi -e "s/\(\\W\)/\\\$1/ge"
> 

This doesn't look right to me.  By escaping the ( and ) they are
interpreted literally, instead of defining a group.  If the shell is
messing with you, I'd just write a perl script.  Just set it up so that it
opens the file, replaces the characters and writes the result to a new
file.  It's much longer to write, but it would work :)  And you'd lear file
I/O in Perl if you don't already.

Gabe
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From andyzb at ltiflex.com  Tue Jan 16 14:06:10 2001
From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:47 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Console mode resolution
References: <C04BDB0943ACD4118BAE0008C7B1A2BE1394B1@mspa1.elcsci.com>
Message-ID: <3A64A9B2.1FDE7875@ltiflex.com>

Try looking for the setting vga=something in /etc/lilo.conf

If you want to disable VGA text console you can simply comment this line.
(your console won't look much better than DOS does.) If that doesn't do it
grep your init files for fbset.

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From patrickm at citilink.com  Tue Jan 16 16:30:42 2001
From: patrickm at citilink.com (Patrick McCabe)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:47 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] perl regex question
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.1010116162545.8687A-100000@foshay>

Try

  perl -n -e "print quotemeta"



Patrick McCabe



From blutgens at sistina.com  Tue Jan 16 16:46:50 2001
From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:47 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Console mode resolution
In-Reply-To: <3A64A9B2.1FDE7875@ltiflex.com>; from andyzb@ltiflex.com on Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 02:06:10PM -0600
References: <C04BDB0943ACD4118BAE0008C7B1A2BE1394B1@mspa1.elcsci.com> <3A64A9B2.1FDE7875@ltiflex.com>
Message-ID: <20010116164649.A16388@minime.sistina.com>

On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 02:06:10PM -0600, Andy Zbikowski wrote:

read /usr/src/linux/Documentation/fb/*

>Try looking for the setting vga=something in /etc/lilo.conf
>
>If you want to disable VGA text console you can simply comment this line.
>(your console won't look much better than DOS does.) If that doesn't do it
>grep your init files for fbset.
>
>--
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From jethro at freakzilla.com  Tue Jan 16 14:21:21 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:47 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] movies
In-Reply-To: <20010116193500.23428.qmail@khusro.math.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0101161420260.21834-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>

  Hi,

On Tue, 16 Jan 2001 bob@math.umn.edu wrote:

> Subtitled in nice print.  Accuracy?  No idea.

*lol* reminds me of my copy of Heroic Trio... the dubbing and English
subtitles are two COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PLOTS. It's as bad as "Want some
coffee?" being subtitled as "I love you".

Anyway, I guess we know what I'll be doing this weekend...


-Yaron

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From mauvehead at nerp.net  Tue Jan 16 17:42:48 2001
From: mauvehead at nerp.net (Gnate)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:47 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Test.... BZZZZZZZZZZZT!
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0101161420260.21834-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <3A64DC78.21805FF1@nerp.net>

Test. I don't think this list likes me.


From mauvehead at nerp.net  Tue Jan 16 14:44:28 2001
From: mauvehead at nerp.net (Gnate)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:47 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Console mode resolution
References: <C04BDB0943ACD4118BAE0008C7B1A2BE1394B1@mspa1.elcsci.com>
Message-ID: <3A64B2AC.DA29ADF3@nerp.net>

It's in /etc/lilo.conf

vga=0x316   // this is in my lilo.conf it says 1024x768 resolution


    | 640x480  800x600  1024x768 1280x1024
----+-------------------------------------
256 |  0x301    0x303    0x305    0x307
32k |  0x310    0x313    0x316    0x319
64k |  0x311    0x314    0x317    0x31A
16M |  0x312    0x315    0x318    0x31B

Hope the font doesn't mess that up. Thats a chart that shows resolutions.

600x480 at 32k == 0x310

Either do "vga=0x310" or just remove that vga= line from your lilo.conf


Zsolt Domokos wrote:

> Hi All,
> I installed Mandrake 7.2 and unfortunately selected console res 800x600. The
> console console not the X console (C-M-F1). Where is the config file so I
> could set it back to original res or tweak it since with this res the whole
> display is shifted so much I cant read half of my screen. Pretty
> embarrassing.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Zsolt Domokos
>
> mailto:domokosz@esi.com
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From patrickm at eltecinc.com  Tue Jan 16 15:03:52 2001
From: patrickm at eltecinc.com (patrickm)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:48 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] perl regex question
References: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10101161311270.28337-100000@tundra.winternet.com>
Message-ID: <006801c07fff$de318830$5cc8a8c0@eltecinc.com>

Another way to do it (this is Perl, after all):

  cat filname.txt | perl -p -e "$_=quotemeta($_)" | xargs ....

or just

  cat filname.txt | perl -p -e "$_=quotemeta" | xargs ....

You don't need the -i switch since you are not in-place editing a file.

Patrick McCabe


----- Original Message -----
From: Liz Burke-Scovill <kethry@winternet.com>
To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] perl regex question


> On Tue, 16 Jan 2001, Austad, Jay wrote:
>
> > Ok, I have this shell script that pipes some stuff to xargs.  Some of
the
> > stuff has lone single quotes in it and breaks the pipe to xargs because
of
> > an unmatched quote error.  So to fix this, I do something like:
> >
> > cat filname.txt | perl -pi -e "s/\'/\\\'/g" | xargs ....
>
> perl -pi -e "s/(\W)/\\$1/g" should do the trick - \W looks for all non
> alphanumeric characters - putting it in parenthesis turns it into a
> segment for backreferencing, $1 is the backreference variable
>
>  >
> > How can I modify that perl statement so it will take single quotes,
double
> > quotes, greater/less than signs, question marks, and asterisks, and
replace
> > them with a backslash and then themselves?
> >
> > * would be \*
> > ? would be \?
> > " would be \"
> > and so on.
> >
> > I don't want to have a bunch of -e statements in my little perl command.
> >
> > Jay
> > _______________________________________________
> > tclug-list mailing list
> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
>
> --
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>
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From cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu  Tue Jan 16 19:10:30 2001
From: cf352197 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu (Charles Fulton)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:48 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Solaris question
References: <01C07ED7.FD173980.webgirl@wagtopia.com> <3A632D08.72EC2CBA@ltiflex.com>
Message-ID: <3A64F106.BC875606@oak.cats.ohiou.edu>

I'm having a problem installing Solaris 2.6 on a Sparcstation 2.

When I try to boot from the CDROM I get:

>Bad magic number in disk label
>Can't open Sun disk label package
>Can't open boot device

I know the CD and drive are fine (works on a SS10)  The only thing about this
is the NVRAM battery is dead.  I can input the information and make the boot
process happy and I have tried a HD with Solaris already on it and everything
works that way.

I've tried various ways of specifying the device to the boot command and they
all come back with the same message.  Basically anything pointing to the
sd@6,0 device gives that back.

Charlie


From tobytoo at black-hole.com  Tue Jan 16 19:48:21 2001
From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (b. toberman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:48 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Test.... BZZZZZZZZZZZT!
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0101161420260.21834-100000@Tiger.yaron.org> <3A64DC78.21805FF1@nerp.net>
Message-ID: <3A64F9E5.624518C4@black-hole.com>

Why so?

Gnate wrote:

> Test. I don't think this list likes me.
>
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From tanner at real-time.com  Wed Jan 17 00:32:32 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:48 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Very disappointed in Caldera
Message-ID: <20010117003232.C30869@real-time.com>

Know, I now Randsom is not 100% open source lover, so I figured Cosmos, now
Volution would be commercial. The beta was cool. The concept is even cooler.

http://www.caldera.com/products/volution/

But, the cost is nasty. Real Time has a "small" network, around 100 linux
machines (estimate from Netsaint for hosts).

$2,995.00 for 10-node license
$2,419.95 for 20-node license
$2,419.95 for 20-node license
$2,419.95 for 20-node license
$2,419.95 for 20-node license
$2,419.95 for 20-node license
-----------------------------
$15,094.75 for 110 node licenses

Using their Break Even calculator I get this:

Volution License Costs
   Price of server 		$2,995.00
   Server price includes 	10 nodes
   Price per node 		$145.00

   One-Time cost of Volution
   Cost of Volution server licenses 	$269550
   Cost of Volution nodes 		$0
   Total cost of Volution 		$269550
   Time to break even 			276.46 year(s)

It it's going to take 276 years to break even, what's the point!?

Must be a bug.

Anyone else wanna try out the "savings" of using Volution?

http://www.calderasystems.com/products/volution/breakeven/
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From tanner at real-time.com  Wed Jan 17 00:36:15 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:48 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Very disappointed in Caldera
In-Reply-To: <20010117003232.C30869@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 12:32:32AM -0600
References: <20010117003232.C30869@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010117003615.D30869@real-time.com>

> Using their Break Even calculator I get this:
> 
> Volution License Costs
>    Price of server 		$2,995.00
>    Server price includes 	10 nodes
>    Price per node 		$145.00
> 
>    One-Time cost of Volution
>    Cost of Volution server licenses 	$269550
>    Cost of Volution nodes 		$0
>    Total cost of Volution 		$269550
>    Time to break even 			276.46 year(s)
> 
> It it's going to take 276 years to break even, what's the point!?

Blah, even going 500 nodes, it will still take 2.76 years to break even.

Pricing is too high for small companies.

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From dieman at ringworld.org  Wed Jan 17 01:10:36 2001
From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:48 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Very disappointed in Caldera
In-Reply-To: <20010117003615.D30869@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 12:36:15AM -0600
References: <20010117003232.C30869@real-time.com> <20010117003615.D30869@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010117011036.B9952@ringworld.org>

* Bob Tanner <tanner@real-time.com> [010117 00:37]:
> >    Cost of Volution server licenses 	$269550

Why do you need 100 'servers'?

Dont you just need 1-2 'servers' and 100 'node' licenses? 

In many cases it looked like a year or two to 'break even'.  I still
dont buy it tho.  It's much better to have clueful admins who can create
a very decent framework for keeping maintanable machines, rather than
trust an (expensive) closed source tool.

I suggest that you inculde a 7x24x4 support license into the cost when
you price this beast.  Who knows how much that is. :)  20$ its how they
want to make money.

-- 
Scott Dier <dieman@ringworld.org> <sdier@debian.org>
http://www.ringworld.org/  #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net

"Kupo, kupkup, kupopo...  Po... Kupo!?  KUPOPO!!!
	<Chomp chomp> Kupooo."
		-Moguta (FFIX)
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From austad at marketwatch.com  Wed Jan 17 08:02:46 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:48 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Very disappointed in Caldera
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109298@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

Looks like they just run webmin on each box, so if you need to get at an
individual server, you just get redirected to that.

Everything else looks like it could be accomplished with MRTG and creative
use of scp/ssh with an authorized_hosts file on each box that would allow
your admin box to log in without a password for scripting.

Jay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Dier [mailto:dieman@ringworld.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 1:11 AM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Very disappointed in Caldera
> 
> 
> * Bob Tanner <tanner@real-time.com> [010117 00:37]:
> > >    Cost of Volution server licenses 	$269550
> 
> Why do you need 100 'servers'?
> 
> Dont you just need 1-2 'servers' and 100 'node' licenses? 
> 
> In many cases it looked like a year or two to 'break even'.  I still
> dont buy it tho.  It's much better to have clueful admins who 
> can create
> a very decent framework for keeping maintanable machines, rather than
> trust an (expensive) closed source tool.
> 
> I suggest that you inculde a 7x24x4 support license into the cost when
> you price this beast.  Who knows how much that is. :)  20$ 
> its how they
> want to make money.
> 
> -- 
> Scott Dier <dieman@ringworld.org> <sdier@debian.org>
> http://www.ringworld.org/  #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net
> 
> "Kupo, kupkup, kupopo...  Po... Kupo!?  KUPOPO!!!
> 	<Chomp chomp> Kupooo."
> 		-Moguta (FFIX)
> 

From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu  Wed Jan 17 08:33:07 2001
From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:48 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Very disappointed in Caldera
In-Reply-To: <20010117011036.B9952@ringworld.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0101170826470.16615-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>

On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, Scott Dier wrote:

> In many cases it looked like a year or two to 'break even'.  I still
> dont buy it tho.  It's much better to have clueful admins who can create
> a very decent framework for keeping maintanable machines, rather than
> trust an (expensive) closed source tool.

I agree with this sediment, but there's a lot of people graduating from
schools of mis-management who are taught that since labor costs are almost
always the lion's share of overhead.  The greedy ones conclude that
spending money on tools beats spending money on craftsmen.  I bet that's
who they're really marketing too -- not really clueful engineering types
like Bob!

Cheers,
Phil M

-- 
"To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous


From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu  Wed Jan 17 08:40:05 2001
From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:48 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Linux better than advertised
In-Reply-To: <20010117011036.B9952@ringworld.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0101170833120.16615-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>

OK, impulse buy at Office Despot.  I found that I couldn't live without
the Linksys PCMCIA NIC that had no dangly cord -- it's an
integrated jack.  With two children under 3, this is heavy duty
cable stealth technology!

It rang up $40 cheaper than marked on the shelf!  Figgered I'd get home
and put it in the laptop that's been running a dangly ethernet card, and
probably spend a while messing with card services and drivers.  So I
plugged it into the other PCMCIA slot so I'd still have access to the
debian mirror, and gosh darn it -- now I had eth0 and eth1 active!  I
didn't have to do any installation, tweaking or anything.  It happened to
use the same ne2000 compatible drivers as the dlink it replaced.

Now that's how things are supposed to work, right?  I think it was too
easy... waiting for the other shoe to fall. <g>

Cheers,
Phil M

-- 
"To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous


From andy at theasis.com  Wed Jan 17 08:50:52 2001
From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:48 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Linux better than advertised
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0101170833120.16615-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0101170848570.18867-100000@desmodus.theasis.com>

> and put it in the laptop that's been running a dangly ethernet card, and
> probably spend a while messing with card services and drivers.  So I

Next step in stealth tech is to get yourself 2 wlan cards, stick one of
them in a desktop machine who will do ipforwarding, and use the other for
the laptop. Anywhere in the house, No cord!!!

Andy

> Cheers,
> Phil M
> 
> 


From jeffr at odeon.net  Wed Jan 17 08:59:37 2001
From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:48 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Linux better than advertised
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0101170848570.18867-100000@desmodus.theasis.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0101170857100.9912-100000@odeon.net>

Anybody know of a wlan pci card and a PCMCIA card that are supported under
linux?  Heck, I'd even settle for a bridge device that could plug into a
hub and support a few wlan PCMCIA cards.

Jeff


On Wed, 17 Jan 2001 andy@theasis.com wrote:

> > and put it in the laptop that's been running a dangly ethernet card, and
> > probably spend a while messing with card services and drivers.  So I
> 
> Next step in stealth tech is to get yourself 2 wlan cards, stick one of
> them in a desktop machine who will do ipforwarding, and use the other for
> the laptop. Anywhere in the house, No cord!!!
> 
> Andy
> 
> > Cheers,
> > Phil M
> > 
> > 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From austad at marketwatch.com  Wed Jan 17 09:01:58 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:48 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Linux better than advertised
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10929A@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

Yeah, wireless is sweet.  We just got a cheap ($400) Lucent wireless bridge
for our network here.  Now everyone's running around with their laptops.
It's pretty sweet.  

Now if only Diamond/S3/SonicBlue/name-of-the-day would come out with their
transmeta based wireless linux webpad like the said they would a year ago.
Original release date was supposed to be Q2/2000.  Guess they missed that a
little bit.  Qubit (http://www.qubit.net) is coming out with theirs within
the next month or two though.

Jay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: andy@theasis.com [mailto:andy@theasis.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 8:51 AM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Linux better than advertised
> 
> 
> > and put it in the laptop that's been running a dangly 
> ethernet card, and
> > probably spend a while messing with card services and drivers.  So I
> 
> Next step in stealth tech is to get yourself 2 wlan cards, 
> stick one of
> them in a desktop machine who will do ipforwarding, and use 
> the other for
> the laptop. Anywhere in the house, No cord!!!
> 
> Andy
> 
> > Cheers,
> > Phil M
> > 
> > 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

From andy at theasis.com  Wed Jan 17 09:08:15 2001
From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:48 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Linux better than advertised - wlan
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0101170857100.9912-100000@odeon.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0101170906150.18867-100000@desmodus.theasis.com>

> Anybody know of a wlan pci card and a PCMCIA card that are supported under
> linux?  Heck, I'd even settle for a bridge device that could plug into a
> hub and support a few wlan PCMCIA cards.

Lots. 
I've been using this for over 2 years.

Go to http://www.linux-wlan.com/linux-wlan/index.html. There's a mailing
list, hardware list, and all manner of encouraging stuff.

Andy

> Jeff
> 
> 
> On Wed, 17 Jan 2001 andy@theasis.com wrote:
> 
> > > and put it in the laptop that's been running a dangly ethernet card, and
> > > probably spend a while messing with card services and drivers.  So I
> > 
> > Next step in stealth tech is to get yourself 2 wlan cards, stick one of
> > them in a desktop machine who will do ipforwarding, and use the other for
> > the laptop. Anywhere in the house, No cord!!!
> > 
> > Andy
> > 
> > > Cheers,
> > > Phil M
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > tclug-list mailing list
> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > 
> 
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From natecars at real-time.com  Wed Jan 17 09:16:35 2001
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:48 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Very disappointed in Caldera
In-Reply-To: <20010117003615.D30869@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0101170916240.8486-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, Bob Tanner wrote:
> Blah, even going 500 nodes, it will still take 2.76 years to break even.
>
> Pricing is too high for small companies.

Type of product usually isn't designed for small companies.

-- 
Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500



From austad at marketwatch.com  Wed Jan 17 09:45:05 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:48 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Linux better than advertised - wlan
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10929B@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

Linksys has some wlan cards out now that are ultra cheap, and supposedly
work much better than the Lucent cards.  I think they work w/ linux too, but
I haven't tried it yet.

Jay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: andy@theasis.com [mailto:andy@theasis.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 9:08 AM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Linux better than advertised - wlan
> 
> 
> > Anybody know of a wlan pci card and a PCMCIA card that are 
> supported under
> > linux?  Heck, I'd even settle for a bridge device that 
> could plug into a
> > hub and support a few wlan PCMCIA cards.
> 
> Lots. 
> I've been using this for over 2 years.
> 
> Go to http://www.linux-wlan.com/linux-wlan/index.html. 
> There's a mailing
> list, hardware list, and all manner of encouraging stuff.
> 
> Andy
> 
> > Jeff
> > 
> > 
> > On Wed, 17 Jan 2001 andy@theasis.com wrote:
> > 
> > > > and put it in the laptop that's been running a dangly 
> ethernet card, and
> > > > probably spend a while messing with card services and 
> drivers.  So I
> > > 
> > > Next step in stealth tech is to get yourself 2 wlan 
> cards, stick one of
> > > them in a desktop machine who will do ipforwarding, and 
> use the other for
> > > the laptop. Anywhere in the house, No cord!!!
> > > 
> > > Andy
> > > 
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Phil M
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > tclug-list mailing list
> > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > tclug-list mailing list
> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > 
> 
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> 

From tanner at real-time.com  Wed Jan 17 10:32:26 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:48 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Very disappointed in Caldera
In-Reply-To: <20010117011036.B9952@ringworld.org>; from dieman@ringworld.org on Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 01:10:36AM -0600
References: <20010117003232.C30869@real-time.com> <20010117003615.D30869@real-time.com> <20010117011036.B9952@ringworld.org>
Message-ID: <20010117103226.S8262@real-time.com>

Quoting Scott Dier (dieman@ringworld.org):
> * Bob Tanner <tanner@real-time.com> [010117 00:37]:
> > >    Cost of Volution server licenses 	$269550
> 
> Why do you need 100 'servers'?
> 
> Dont you just need 1-2 'servers' and 100 'node' licenses? 
> 
> In many cases it looked like a year or two to 'break even'.  I still
> dont buy it tho.  It's much better to have clueful admins who can create
> a very decent framework for keeping maintanable machines, rather than
> trust an (expensive) closed source tool.
> 
> I suggest that you inculde a 7x24x4 support license into the cost when
> you price this beast.  Who knows how much that is. :)  20$ its how they
> want to make money.
> 

ahh, that is what it means servers and nodes. :-)



-- 
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http://www.mn-linux.org                 | Fax   : (952)943-8500
Key fingerprint =  6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 


From tanner at real-time.com  Wed Jan 17 10:35:59 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:49 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Very disappointed in Caldera
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0101170826470.16615-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>; from mend0070@tc.umn.edu on Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 08:33:07AM -0600
References: <20010117011036.B9952@ringworld.org> <Pine.SOL.4.20.0101170826470.16615-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <20010117103559.U8262@real-time.com>

Quoting Philip C Mendelsohn (mend0070@tc.umn.edu):
> I agree with this sediment, but there's a lot of people graduating from
> schools of mis-management who are taught that since labor costs are almost
> always the lion's share of overhead.  The greedy ones conclude that
> spending money on tools beats spending money on craftsmen.  I bet that's
> who they're really marketing too -- not really clueful engineering types
> like Bob!

That's too bad. I think linux is strongest in the small business area, but the
money is in the enterprise ring.

We need an open source version of volution. :-)

-- 
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http://www.mn-linux.org                 | Fax   : (952)943-8500
Key fingerprint =  6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 


From andy at theasis.com  Wed Jan 17 10:50:21 2001
From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:50 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Linux better than advertised - wlan
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10929B@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0101171041320.18867-100000@desmodus.theasis.com>

> Linksys has some wlan cards out now that are ultra cheap, and supposedly
> work much better than the Lucent cards.  I think they work w/ linux too, but
> I haven't tried it yet.

They definitely do. 
There was a report this week on the linux-wlan-user list about both the
price (Compusa $99 after rebate) and the fact that Linksys WPC11 works
fine with the driver.

Just to clarify, you don't really need an AP; just set up a linux box to
do the job. That means wireless network for the price of 2 pcmcia cards &
an ISA adapter.

The LinkSys cards do not have a socket for external antenna, which some
other cards do. The antenna is ideal, but not necessary.

I've used the Lucent cards, and they work great -- even with the lucent
driver. But I wouldn't buy one cuz they're so expensive and I don't know
why else.

Andy

> Jay

> > Go to http://www.linux-wlan.com/linux-wlan/index.html. 


From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu  Wed Jan 17 12:46:14 2001
From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:50 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Linux better than advertised - wlan
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0101171041320.18867-100000@desmodus.theasis.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0101171244160.25795-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>

On Wed, 17 Jan 2001 andy@theasis.com wrote:

> Just to clarify, you don't really need an AP; just set up a linux box to
> do the job. That means wireless network for the price of 2 pcmcia cards &
> an ISA adapter.

Just to clarify your clarification, why would I need 2 pcmcia cards if I
had one laptop?  Or are you saying that two pcmcia cards will talk to each
other without the 'base' card?

Now I'm thinking the Penguin wants some walkie-talkies!...

Phil

-- 
"To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous


From jeffr at odeon.net  Wed Jan 17 13:02:37 2001
From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:50 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Linux better than advertised - wlan
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0101171244160.25795-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0101171300530.12518-100000@odeon.net>

I think the ISA card is just an adapter that lets you use one of the
wireless pcmcia cards in a desktop system, so you'd need a pcmcia card for
the notebook, and another pcmcia card+ISA adapter for the desktop.

Jeff

On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, Philip C Mendelsohn wrote:

> On Wed, 17 Jan 2001 andy@theasis.com wrote:
> 
> > Just to clarify, you don't really need an AP; just set up a linux box to
> > do the job. That means wireless network for the price of 2 pcmcia cards &
> > an ISA adapter.
> 
> Just to clarify your clarification, why would I need 2 pcmcia cards if I
> had one laptop?  Or are you saying that two pcmcia cards will talk to each
> other without the 'base' card?
> 
> Now I'm thinking the Penguin wants some walkie-talkies!...
> 
> Phil
> 
> 


From andy at theasis.com  Wed Jan 17 13:35:44 2001
From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:50 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Linux better than advertised - wlan
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0101171300530.12518-100000@odeon.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0101171334160.18867-100000@desmodus.theasis.com>

> 
> I think the ISA card is just an adapter that lets you use one of the
> wireless pcmcia cards in a desktop system, so you'd need a pcmcia card for
> the notebook, and another pcmcia card+ISA adapter for the desktop.

Yes, that's what I meant. 
Some wlan cards are (were?) bundled with those ISA adapters, including the
ZoomAir 4007, which were older 2mbit rather than newer 11mbit spec.

But there are other companies who make & sell those ISA cards. 

Andy

> 
> Jeff
> 
> On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, Philip C Mendelsohn wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 17 Jan 2001 andy@theasis.com wrote:
> > 
> > > Just to clarify, you don't really need an AP; just set up a linux box to
> > > do the job. That means wireless network for the price of 2 pcmcia cards &
> > > an ISA adapter.
> > 
> > Just to clarify your clarification, why would I need 2 pcmcia cards if I
> > had one laptop?  Or are you saying that two pcmcia cards will talk to each
> > other without the 'base' card?
> > 
> > Now I'm thinking the Penguin wants some walkie-talkies!...
> > 
> > Phil
> > 
> > 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From KNEWTSON at prodigy.net  Wed Jan 17 13:45:34 2001
From: KNEWTSON at prodigy.net (Stephen B Knewtson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:50 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Very disappointed in Caldera
References: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0101170826470.16615-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <002c01c080be$10ea3560$5148ffd1@e8fse>

I think you meant 'sentiment' :-)
spell checkers will the death of language...eventually everything will be
simplified to one word...talk about context sensitive.
----- Original Message -----
From: Philip C Mendelsohn <mend0070@tc.umn.edu>
To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 08:33
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Very disappointed in Caldera


> On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, Scott Dier wrote:
>
> > In many cases it looked like a year or two to 'break even'.  I still
> > dont buy it tho.  It's much better to have clueful admins who can create
> > a very decent framework for keeping maintanable machines, rather than
> > trust an (expensive) closed source tool.
>
> I agree with this sediment, but there's a lot of people graduating from
> schools of mis-management who are taught that since labor costs are almost
> always the lion's share of overhead.  The greedy ones conclude that
> spending money on tools beats spending money on craftsmen.  I bet that's
> who they're really marketing too -- not really clueful engineering types
> like Bob!
>
> Cheers,
> Phil M
>
> --
> "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous
>
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From dan at williamsongraphics.com  Wed Jan 17 14:25:15 2001
From: dan at williamsongraphics.com (dan)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:50 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Re:disapointed with Caldera
Message-ID: <3A65FFAB.7A681186@williamsongraphics.com>

I recently attended Caldera's fall Power Solutions Tour. They hyped
Volution and were mainly pitching to the VARs so that they could get
their customers to subscribe for security updates and such. This would
cause the break even point to be even lower.



From john.komp at medtronic.com  Wed Jan 17 14:14:15 2001
From: john.komp at medtronic.com (John Komp)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:50 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Plot Gets Deeper (Was Perl - Slackware - ttyS0)
Message-ID: <sa65a8c0.061@mspeos0.corp.medtronic.COM>

My serial port investigation continues. Here's the premise again...

I've got an embedded system that dumps chars and strings to a serial
port. I've attached a Slackware 7.1 Toshiba 430 CDT laptop to the other
end of the serial cable.  When the system streams a string of chars the
linux box doesn't get anything but if I send individual chars they are
received by the linux box.

When I send 'setserial -ga /dev/ttyS0' it tells me my UART is a 16550A.
If I change this to a 16550 everything works fine. I looked at
/etc/serial.conf and it is defining the port as a 16450. Who's really
controlling this and how do I get it set properly?

As a side problem:

This code doesn't print anything until a \n is received from the
sending unit:

...
char buf[255];
...
    while (STOP==FALSE) {       /* loop for input */
        res = read(fd,buf,1);   /* returns after 1 chars have been
input */
        printf("%c", buf);
        if (buf[0]=='z') STOP=TRUE;
    }

But this code does:

...
char buf[255];
...
    while (STOP==FALSE) {       /* loop for input */
        res = read(fd,buf,1);   /* returns after 1 chars have been
input */
        printf("%c\n", buf);
        if (buf[0]=='z') STOP=TRUE;
    }

Why would the addition of a \n fix the code. It appears to flush the
print buffer.

Thanks,

-John


From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu  Wed Jan 17 15:03:01 2001
From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:50 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Plot Gets Deeper (Was Perl - Slackware - ttyS0)
In-Reply-To: <sa65a8c0.061@mspeos0.corp.medtronic.COM>; from john.komp@medtronic.com on Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 02:14:15PM -0600
References: <sa65a8c0.061@mspeos0.corp.medtronic.COM>
Message-ID: <20010117150301.A30893@sorry.cs.umn.edu>

> 
> As a side problem:
> 
> This code doesn't print anything until a \n is received from the
> sending unit:
> 
> ...
> char buf[255];
> ...
>     while (STOP==FALSE) {       /* loop for input */
>         res = read(fd,buf,1);   /* returns after 1 chars have been
> input */
>         printf("%c", buf);
>         if (buf[0]=='z') STOP=TRUE;
>     }
> 
> But this code does:
> 
> ...
> char buf[255];
> ...
>     while (STOP==FALSE) {       /* loop for input */
>         res = read(fd,buf,1);   /* returns after 1 chars have been
> input */
>         printf("%c\n", buf);
>         if (buf[0]=='z') STOP=TRUE;
>     }
> 
> Why would the addition of a \n fix the code. It appears to flush the
> print buffer.
> 

Well, I thought you were using Perl, but I guess not :)  Anyway, you're
right.  In my experience, printf won't print until it sees a \n or \r or
some other character that will flush the buffer.  I'm no C guru though.

Gabe
-- 
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UNIX Systems Administrator,		       | Assoc. for Computing Machinery
U of M Supercomputing Institute for	       |    University of Minnesohta
Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation    |       dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu

"Did I ever tell you about the Tooth Beaver, Ren?  Wherever you have nerve
 endings, you'll find the Tooth Beaver! ... The nerve endings are the
 tastiest part of your body, and your Tooth Beaver knows this."
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From kelly.black at testquest.com  Wed Jan 17 15:10:04 2001
From: kelly.black at testquest.com (Kelly Black)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:50 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Plot Gets Deeper (Was Perl - Slackware - ttyS0)
In-Reply-To: <20010117150301.A30893@sorry.cs.umn.edu>; from dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu on Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 03:03:01PM -0600
References: <sa65a8c0.061@mspeos0.corp.medtronic.COM> <20010117150301.A30893@sorry.cs.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <20010117151004.D21234@testquest.com>

I think a way exists in C to flush the buffer though...

Kelly Black
(Also long way from being a C programmer)

> Well, I thought you were using Perl, but I guess not :)  Anyway, you're
> right.  In my experience, printf won't print until it sees a \n or \r or
> some other character that will flush the buffer.  I'm no C guru though.
> 
> Gabe
> -- 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Gabe Turner				       |  	   X-President,
> UNIX Systems Administrator,		       | Assoc. for Computing Machinery
> U of M Supercomputing Institute for	       |    University of Minnesohta

From esper at sherohman.org  Wed Jan 17 15:16:17 2001
From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:50 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Plot Gets Deeper (Was Perl - Slackware - ttyS0)
In-Reply-To: <sa65a8c0.061@mspeos0.corp.medtronic.COM>; from john.komp@medtronic.com on Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 02:14:15PM -0600
References: <sa65a8c0.061@mspeos0.corp.medtronic.COM>
Message-ID: <20010117151617.C8397@sherohman.org>

On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 02:14:15PM -0600, John Komp wrote:
> Why would the addition of a \n fix the code. It appears to flush the
> print buffer.

That's exactly why \n fixes it.  printf provides buffered output, which means
'output gets stored until there appears to be a reason to send it, because
I/O is slow'.  A newline is generally considered to constitute a reason to
flush the buffer.

If you want to flush stdout without printing a newline, use

fflush(stdout);

-- 
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and at home. - SGI job posting
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From wilson at visi.com  Wed Jan 17 15:23:20 2001
From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:50 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] general DNS question
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0101171512500.26445-100000@isis.visi.com>

Hey everyone,

Interestingly, it turns out that domains such as isd197.k12.mn.us are
a complete mystery and thoroughly unmemorable to the average computer
user. As a result, it's nearly impossible to tell someone that our Web site
is www.isd197.k12.mn.us and have them remember it without writing it down.

The good news is that I've convinced our head network geek to buy isd197.org
and move our email and URLs to that domain. :-)

Here's the question:  We're considering giving students email accounts, but
our sysadmin doesn't want them on the same GroupWise server that the staff
uses. He plans to use a simple non-GroupWise NetWare SMTP package. I
suggested that we give the students an email account like
654321@students.isd197.org.

Can we set an MX record for isd197.k12.mn.us and isd197.org pointing to the
same IP address along with an MX record for students.isd197.org pointing to
a different IP address? How should we approach this?

-Tim

--
Tim Wilson      | Visit Sibley online:         | Check out:
Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/
W. St. Paul, MN |                              | http://slashdot.org/
wilson@visi.com |   <dtml-var pithy_quote>     | http://linux.com/


From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu  Wed Jan 17 15:37:57 2001
From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:50 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Plot Gets Deeper (Was Perl - Slackware - ttyS0)
Message-ID: <010117153757.202b70a7@dcmir.med.umn.edu>

Hi

This is because the "\n" causes the output buffer to flush. It's not the
printf, but the "\n" in the format string that's causing the print.

Ed Hoeffner
1-271 BSBE
312 Church St. SE
Mpls, MN 55455
hoeffner@dcmir.med.umn.edu
612-625-2115
612-625-2163 fax

From natecars at real-time.com  Wed Jan 17 15:55:56 2001
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:50 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] general DNS question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0101171512500.26445-100000@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0101171554560.10105-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, Timothy Wilson wrote:
> Hey everyone,
>
> Interestingly, it turns out that domains such as isd197.k12.mn.us are
> a complete mystery and thoroughly unmemorable to the average computer
> user. As a result, it's nearly impossible to tell someone that our Web site
> is www.isd197.k12.mn.us and have them remember it without writing it down.
>
> The good news is that I've convinced our head network geek to buy isd197.org
> and move our email and URLs to that domain. :-)
>
> Here's the question:  We're considering giving students email accounts, but
> our sysadmin doesn't want them on the same GroupWise server that the staff
> uses. He plans to use a simple non-GroupWise NetWare SMTP package. I
> suggested that we give the students an email account like
> 654321@students.isd197.org.
>
> Can we set an MX record for isd197.k12.mn.us and isd197.org pointing to the
> same IP address along with an MX record for students.isd197.org pointing to
> a different IP address? How should we approach this?

yes.

isd197.org.		IN	MX	5 teachers.isd197.org.
			IN	MX	[10|15|etc]

isd197.k12.mn.us.	IN	MX	5 teachers.isd197.org.

students.isd197.org.	IN	MX	5 students.isd197.org.

-- 
Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500



From esper at sherohman.org  Wed Jan 17 15:57:03 2001
From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:50 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] general DNS question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0101171512500.26445-100000@isis.visi.com>; from wilson@visi.com on Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 03:23:20PM -0600
References: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0101171512500.26445-100000@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <20010117155703.E8397@sherohman.org>

On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 03:23:20PM -0600, Timothy Wilson wrote:
> Can we set an MX record for isd197.k12.mn.us and isd197.org pointing to the
> same IP address along with an MX record for students.isd197.org pointing to
> a different IP address? How should we approach this?

Sure can.  That's even a fairly normal sort of thing to do with MXes.  Do you
maintain your own DNS zones or do you have an ISP handling them for you?

-- 
SGI products are used to create the 'Bugs' that entertain us in theatres
and at home. - SGI job posting
Geek Code 3.1:  GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+
!K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+

From sos at zjod.net  Wed Jan 17 16:47:36 2001
From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:50 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] "Raman" worm targets Redhat 6.2 & 7.0...
Message-ID: <200101172247.QAA10495@zjod.net>

Gang,

Various tech news sources are beginning to report a worm that targets Redhat
6.2 and 7.0 systems.

For those of you worried about such things, a copyrighted article at
http://www.securityfocus.com (click on News article "Linux worm uses its
noodle") gives some more explanation, as does the link "Raman analysis"
within that article.

Hope this helps'idly,

-S


From austad at marketwatch.com  Wed Jan 17 17:39:04 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:50 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] ftp daemons
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1092B9@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

What's everyone using for an ftp daemon?  It seems like new holes in wu-ftpd
come out nearly as often as holes in sendmail, anyone have a better
solution?  Proftpd?  ncftpd looks sweet, too bad it costs $$$.

Jay

From tanner at real-time.com  Wed Jan 17 17:55:13 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:50 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] ftp daemons
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1092B9@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 05:39:04PM -0600
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1092B9@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <20010117175513.D6519@real-time.com>

Quoting Austad, Jay (austad@marketwatch.com):
> What's everyone using for an ftp daemon?  It seems like new holes in wu-ftpd
> come out nearly as often as holes in sendmail, anyone have a better
> solution?  Proftpd?  ncftpd looks sweet, too bad it costs $$$.

proftpd
-- 
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http://www.mn-linux.org                 | Fax   : (952)943-8500
Key fingerprint =  6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 


From natecars at real-time.com  Wed Jan 17 17:55:16 2001
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:50 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] ftp daemons
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1092B9@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0101171755070.5485-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, Austad, Jay wrote:
> What's everyone using for an ftp daemon?  It seems like new holes in wu-ftpd
> come out nearly as often as holes in sendmail, anyone have a better
> solution?  Proftpd?  ncftpd looks sweet, too bad it costs $$$.

proftpd. i like it FAR better than ncftpd..

-- 
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http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500



From wilson at visi.com  Wed Jan 17 18:03:25 2001
From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:50 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] general DNS question
In-Reply-To: <20010117155703.E8397@sherohman.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0101171801210.13090-100000@isis.visi.com>

On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, Dave Sherohman wrote:

> On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 03:23:20PM -0600, Timothy Wilson wrote:
> > Can we set an MX record for isd197.k12.mn.us and isd197.org pointing to the
> > same IP address along with an MX record for students.isd197.org pointing to
> > a different IP address? How should we approach this?
> 
> Sure can.  That's even a fairly normal sort of thing to do with MXes.  Do you
> maintain your own DNS zones or do you have an ISP handling them for you?

I suspected that it was a routine matter. Our school district uses TIES, a
local education-focused ISP and education-related enterprise computing
services. (Hey, I should write their brochures.) Unfortunately, my
experience with them has been poor at times. It's one of those things where
it's nice to make the call knowing full well that what you're asking them to
do will work.

-Tim

--
Tim Wilson      | Visit Sibley online:         | Check out:
Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/
W. St. Paul, MN |                              | http://slashdot.org/
wilson@visi.com |   <dtml-var pithy_quote>     | http://linux.com/


From wilson at visi.com  Wed Jan 17 18:03:25 2001
From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:51 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] general DNS question
In-Reply-To: <20010117155703.E8397@sherohman.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0101171801210.13090-100000@isis.visi.com>

On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, Dave Sherohman wrote:

> On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 03:23:20PM -0600, Timothy Wilson wrote:
> > Can we set an MX record for isd197.k12.mn.us and isd197.org pointing to the
> > same IP address along with an MX record for students.isd197.org pointing to
> > a different IP address? How should we approach this?
> 
> Sure can.  That's even a fairly normal sort of thing to do with MXes.  Do you
> maintain your own DNS zones or do you have an ISP handling them for you?

I suspected that it was a routine matter. Our school district uses TIES, a
local education-focused ISP and education-related enterprise computing
services. (Hey, I should write their brochures.) Unfortunately, my
experience with them has been poor at times. It's one of those things where
it's nice to make the call knowing full well that what you're asking them to
do will work.

-Tim

--
Tim Wilson      | Visit Sibley online:         | Check out:
Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/
W. St. Paul, MN |                              | http://slashdot.org/
wilson@visi.com |   <dtml-var pithy_quote>     | http://linux.com/


From jethro at freakzilla.com  Wed Jan 17 18:21:26 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:51 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] ftp daemons
In-Reply-To: <20010117175513.D6519@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0101171820370.11158-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>

  Hi,

Quoting Austad, Jay (austad@marketwatch.com):

> What's everyone using for an ftp daemon?  It seems like new holes in wu-ftpd
> come out nearly as often as holes in sendmail, anyone have a better
> solution?  Proftpd?  ncftpd looks sweet, too bad it costs $$$.

OpenBSD's ftpd, ported to Linux.

-Yaron

--


From jreuter at reuter-engineering.com  Wed Jan 17 19:11:32 2001
From: jreuter at reuter-engineering.com (Jon V. Reuter)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:51 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] ftp daemons
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1092B9@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <3A6642C3.ED6405EE@reuter-engineering.com>

I'm using BeroFTPd and it's working well.

Jon Reuter


"Austad, Jay" wrote:
> 
> What's everyone using for an ftp daemon?  It seems like new holes in wu-ftpd
> come out nearly as often as holes in sendmail, anyone have a better
> solution?  Proftpd?  ncftpd looks sweet, too bad it costs $$$.
> 
> Jay
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

From dieman at ringworld.org  Wed Jan 17 16:19:32 2001
From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:51 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] general DNS question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0101171512500.26445-100000@isis.visi.com>; from wilson@visi.com on Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 03:23:20PM -0600
References: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0101171512500.26445-100000@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <20010117161931.A16170@ringworld.org>

* Timothy Wilson <wilson@visi.com> [010117 15:50]:
> Can we set an MX record for isd197.k12.mn.us and isd197.org pointing to the
> same IP address along with an MX record for students.isd197.org pointing to
> a different IP address? How should we approach this?

@       IN      MX      10      firstbox-hostname
firstbox-hostname       IN      A       ip.goes.here.damnit
students        IN      MX      10      secondbox-hostname
secondbox-hostname      IN      A       ip.goes.here.damnit

If you wanted students.whatever to be a different webserver, or for it
to go back to the main webserver (name based hosting!)

www     IN      A       ip.for.webserver
(or) www        IN      CNAME   hostname-of-www-box-that-isn't-named-www
student IN      CNAME   www

-- 
Scott Dier <dieman@ringworld.org> <sdier@debian.org>
http://www.ringworld.org/  #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net

"Kupo, kupkup, kupopo...  Po... Kupo!?  KUPOPO!!!
	<Chomp chomp> Kupooo."
		-Moguta (FFIX)
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From dieman at ringworld.org  Wed Jan 17 16:19:32 2001
From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:51 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] general DNS question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0101171512500.26445-100000@isis.visi.com>; from wilson@visi.com on Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 03:23:20PM -0600
References: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0101171512500.26445-100000@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <20010117161931.A16170@ringworld.org>

* Timothy Wilson <wilson@visi.com> [010117 15:50]:
> Can we set an MX record for isd197.k12.mn.us and isd197.org pointing to the
> same IP address along with an MX record for students.isd197.org pointing to
> a different IP address? How should we approach this?

@       IN      MX      10      firstbox-hostname
firstbox-hostname       IN      A       ip.goes.here.damnit
students        IN      MX      10      secondbox-hostname
secondbox-hostname      IN      A       ip.goes.here.damnit

If you wanted students.whatever to be a different webserver, or for it
to go back to the main webserver (name based hosting!)

www     IN      A       ip.for.webserver
(or) www        IN      CNAME   hostname-of-www-box-that-isn't-named-www
student IN      CNAME   www

-- 
Scott Dier <dieman@ringworld.org> <sdier@debian.org>
http://www.ringworld.org/  #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net

"Kupo, kupkup, kupopo...  Po... Kupo!?  KUPOPO!!!
	<Chomp chomp> Kupooo."
		-Moguta (FFIX)
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From tanner at real-time.com  Wed Jan 17 21:53:28 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:51 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Onvoy, Oh how you have fallen....
Message-ID: <20010117215328.C19403@real-time.com>

I have been hearing rumblings from many people and companies about the poor
service from Onvoy. Connectivity, co-lo, hosting, etc...

I have to admit, I have a soft spot for Onvoy, because in the old days, MrNet
rocked. But after each acquistion, service got worse.

Anyway, I took down our MrNet link to see WHEN I would get a response from them
that my link was down. 48 hours and still nothing.

In the old days, it was around 15 minutes.

Ahh, let the slashback, or TCLUGback begin.

-- 
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http://www.mn-linux.org                 | Fax   : (952)943-8500
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From jacque at fruitioninc.com  Wed Jan 17 23:08:09 2001
From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:51 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting Update
Message-ID: <3A667A39.67EF1944@fruitioninc.com>

Hi All -

I just wanted to give you an update about what's up with the beer
meetings. On the 5th I had an unexpected appendectomy and it took me a
little while to recover. I'm pretty much back in business now and the
Beer Meetings will resume on the 25th. On that note, does anyone have a
good recommendation for a place to meet in the north-ish suburbs? Email
me off list with suggestions.

Thanks!

Jacque

From jethro at freakzilla.com  Wed Jan 17 23:16:11 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:51 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting Update
In-Reply-To: <3A667A39.67EF1944@fruitioninc.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0101172315160.28026-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>

  Hi,

On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, Jacqueline Urick wrote:

> On the 5th I had an unexpected appendectomy

Damn! That's the PERFECT excuse for ANYTHING! Now I just have to fake a
scar... or not, where's my leatherman?...


Hope you're doing ok btw (;


-Yaron

--


From dieman at ringworld.org  Wed Jan 17 23:24:53 2001
From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:51 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Onvoy, Oh how you have fallen....
In-Reply-To: <20010117215328.C19403@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 09:53:28PM -0600
References: <20010117215328.C19403@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010117232453.C26630@ringworld.org>

* Bob Tanner <tanner@real-time.com> [010117 22:01]:
> In the old days, it was around 15 minutes.

AFAIK, onvoy fired all the good old mrnet force not too long ago.  So
you know what, this really doesn't surprise me.

-- 
Scott Dier <dieman@ringworld.org> <sdier@debian.org>
http://www.ringworld.org/  #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net

"Kupo, kupkup, kupopo...  Po... Kupo!?  KUPOPO!!!
	<Chomp chomp> Kupooo."
		-Moguta (FFIX)
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From dieman at ringworld.org  Wed Jan 17 23:22:17 2001
From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:51 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] general DNS question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0101171801210.13090-100000@isis.visi.com>; from wilson@visi.com on Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 06:03:25PM -0600
References: <20010117155703.E8397@sherohman.org> <Pine.GSO.4.21.0101171801210.13090-100000@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <20010117232216.A26630@ringworld.org>

* Timothy Wilson <wilson@visi.com> [010117 18:17]:
> I suspected that it was a routine matter. Our school district uses TIES, a
> local education-focused ISP and education-related enterprise computing

Hey, has TIES started to filter website access yet?  I allways heard
there was a grumbling from within that wanted to do that.

-- 
Scott Dier <dieman@ringworld.org> <sdier@debian.org>
http://www.ringworld.org/  #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net

"Kupo, kupkup, kupopo...  Po... Kupo!?  KUPOPO!!!
	<Chomp chomp> Kupooo."
		-Moguta (FFIX)
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From dieman at ringworld.org  Wed Jan 17 23:22:17 2001
From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:51 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] general DNS question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0101171801210.13090-100000@isis.visi.com>; from wilson@visi.com on Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 06:03:25PM -0600
References: <20010117155703.E8397@sherohman.org> <Pine.GSO.4.21.0101171801210.13090-100000@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <20010117232216.A26630@ringworld.org>

* Timothy Wilson <wilson@visi.com> [010117 18:17]:
> I suspected that it was a routine matter. Our school district uses TIES, a
> local education-focused ISP and education-related enterprise computing

Hey, has TIES started to filter website access yet?  I allways heard
there was a grumbling from within that wanted to do that.

-- 
Scott Dier <dieman@ringworld.org> <sdier@debian.org>
http://www.ringworld.org/  #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net

"Kupo, kupkup, kupopo...  Po... Kupo!?  KUPOPO!!!
	<Chomp chomp> Kupooo."
		-Moguta (FFIX)
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From seg at haxxed.com  Thu Jan 18 03:35:02 2001
From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:52 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] cheap colocation
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10925B@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> <20010115025938.N28746@ringworld.org>
Message-ID: <3A66B8C6.9010906@haxxed.com>

Scott Dier wrote:

> I believe its 150 for 5u.  They are trying to get a partial DS3 to visi,
> afaik.  But QWorst is taking their time.  THey have a link from savvis
> (t1), and an emergency link to iaxs, another local isp, that has links
> to visi and usworst(?).  Really, email adamm@sihope and ask him the tech
> questions. :)  They also have two 7000 series cisco routers just in case
> one fails.  Stuff like that.  RIght now I dont now which links they have
> active yet either.

Well, usinternet has three DS-3s, to AT&T, UUNET and Sprint, tons of 
T1s, and I hear rumors of an OC-12 in the future. And the employees use 
Cisco 7000s as coffee tables.

But they're all NT based. SAVE ME JEBUS!


From wilson at visi.com  Thu Jan 18 07:19:57 2001
From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:52 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] general DNS question
In-Reply-To: <20010117232216.A26630@ringworld.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0101180706440.14661-100000@isis.visi.com>

On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, Scott Dier wrote:

> * Timothy Wilson <wilson@visi.com> [010117 18:17]:
> > I suspected that it was a routine matter. Our school district uses TIES, a
> > local education-focused ISP and education-related enterprise computing
> 
> Hey, has TIES started to filter website access yet?  I allways heard
> there was a grumbling from within that wanted to do that.

We use our own filtering software in the district. I don't know if TIES
provides that service or not.

-Tim

--
Tim Wilson      | Visit Sibley online:         | Check out:
Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/
W. St. Paul, MN |                              | http://slashdot.org/
wilson@visi.com |   <dtml-var pithy_quote>     | http://linux.com/


From wilson at visi.com  Thu Jan 18 07:19:57 2001
From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:52 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] general DNS question
In-Reply-To: <20010117232216.A26630@ringworld.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0101180706440.14661-100000@isis.visi.com>

On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, Scott Dier wrote:

> * Timothy Wilson <wilson@visi.com> [010117 18:17]:
> > I suspected that it was a routine matter. Our school district uses TIES, a
> > local education-focused ISP and education-related enterprise computing
> 
> Hey, has TIES started to filter website access yet?  I allways heard
> there was a grumbling from within that wanted to do that.

We use our own filtering software in the district. I don't know if TIES
provides that service or not.

-Tim

--
Tim Wilson      | Visit Sibley online:         | Check out:
Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/
W. St. Paul, MN |                              | http://slashdot.org/
wilson@visi.com |   <dtml-var pithy_quote>     | http://linux.com/


From ben at nerp.net  Thu Jan 18 07:57:09 2001
From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:52 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting Update
In-Reply-To: <3A667A39.67EF1944@fruitioninc.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0101180755180.2346-100000@chef>

how about jake's off of county road D.

Jake's Sports Cafe
790 W Co Rd D
New Brighton MN 55112-3509

Thank You,
        Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net)

 "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends."

On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, Jacqueline Urick wrote:

> Hi All -
>
> I just wanted to give you an update about what's up with the beer
> meetings. On the 5th I had an unexpected appendectomy and it took me a
> little while to recover. I'm pretty much back in business now and the
> Beer Meetings will resume on the 25th. On that note, does anyone have a
> good recommendation for a place to meet in the north-ish suburbs? Email
> me off list with suggestions.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jacque
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> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
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>


From nate at nerp.net  Thu Jan 18 08:12:26 2001
From: nate at nerp.net (Nate Sanders)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:52 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] cheap colocation
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10925B@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> <20010115025938.N28746@ringworld.org> <3A66B8C6.9010906@haxxed.com>
Message-ID: <3A66F9CA.D587F8CA@nerp.net>

A small note on IAXS (Infinity AccessNET). We have an OC3 split up to 3
DS3's. One cut up for T1's for clients, one DS3 is for our main internet
which is currently a 6mb pipe. And truley I'm not sure what the hell Dave is
doing with the last DS3.

Our fiber runs threw QWorst, but we also hold a T1 with Sprint as well.

I hear Sihope's building is being upgraded to an OC12, and Si is getting in
on a OC3? IAXS is waiting for this to happen, as were getting a PtoP T1 to Si
for a mail server.



Callum Lerwick wrote:

> Scott Dier wrote:
>
> > I believe its 150 for 5u.  They are trying to get a partial DS3 to visi,
> > afaik.  But QWorst is taking their time.  THey have a link from savvis
> > (t1), and an emergency link to iaxs, another local isp, that has links
> > to visi and usworst(?).  Really, email adamm@sihope and ask him the tech
> > questions. :)  They also have two 7000 series cisco routers just in case
> > one fails.  Stuff like that.  RIght now I dont now which links they have
> > active yet either.
>
> Well, usinternet has three DS-3s, to AT&T, UUNET and Sprint, tons of
> T1s, and I hear rumors of an OC-12 in the future. And the employees use
> Cisco 7000s as coffee tables.
>
> But they're all NT based. SAVE ME JEBUS!
>
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

--
Nate Sanders                       nate@chef.nerp.net
http://www.damnation.net           IRC: darkskull@NEWNET




From john.komp at medtronic.com  Thu Jan 18 08:40:26 2001
From: john.komp at medtronic.com (John Komp)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:52 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Serial Port set up
Message-ID: <sa66ac04.047@mspeos0.corp.medtronic.COM>

Thanks for the help so far. Lots of people got the buffer flush issue
figured out. Phil gets the prize for mentioning setvbuf. By changing
printf from line buffering to no buffering all is well.

Unfortunately no one had an answer to my more pressing problem of
getting the serial port to initalize properly. The boot process doesn't
appear to be using serial.conf yet it would also appear that setserial
is not running in automatic mode and rewriting serial.conf either. I'd
appreciate some pointers in how to follow the Slackware boot process to
figure out who is setting things up improperly so I can fix them.

Thanks again for all the help.

-John

>>> tclug-list-request@mn-linux.org 01/17/01 06:26PM >>>


My serial port investigation continues. Here's the premise again...

I've got an embedded system that dumps chars and strings to a serial
port. I've attached a Slackware 7.1 Toshiba 430 CDT laptop to the
other
end of the serial cable.  When the system streams a string of chars
the
linux box doesn't get anything but if I send individual chars they are
received by the linux box.

When I send 'setserial -ga /dev/ttyS0' it tells me my UART is a
16550A.
If I change this to a 16550 everything works fine. I looked at
/etc/serial.conf and it is defining the port as a 16450. Who's really
controlling this and how do I get it set properly?



From veldy at veldy.net  Thu Jan 18 08:46:37 2001
From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:52 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] ftp daemons
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1092B9@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <009801c0815d$763c7870$3028680a@tgt.com>

Proftpd works nicely and it is quite easy to configure as well.

Tom Veldhouse
veldy@veldy.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Austad, Jay" <austad@marketwatch.com>
To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 5:39 PM
Subject: [TCLUG] ftp daemons


> What's everyone using for an ftp daemon?  It seems like new holes in
wu-ftpd
> come out nearly as often as holes in sendmail, anyone have a better
> solution?  Proftpd?  ncftpd looks sweet, too bad it costs $$$.
>
> Jay
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


From veldy at veldy.net  Thu Jan 18 08:48:07 2001
From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:52 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] ftp daemons
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1092B9@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> <3A6642C3.ED6405EE@reuter-engineering.com>
Message-ID: <00a701c0815d$aba73ea0$3028680a@tgt.com>

If I am not mistaken, BeroFTPd is a direct derivative of wu-ftpd (and
therefore the original BSD ftpd).  Thus most holes that wu-ftpd has are
going to be found in BeroFTPd as well - and probably take longer to fill.

Tom Veldhouse
veldy@veldy.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon V. Reuter" <jreuter@reuter-engineering.com>
To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] ftp daemons


> I'm using BeroFTPd and it's working well.
>
> Jon Reuter
>
>
> "Austad, Jay" wrote:
> >
> > What's everyone using for an ftp daemon?  It seems like new holes in
wu-ftpd
> > come out nearly as often as holes in sendmail, anyone have a better
> > solution?  Proftpd?  ncftpd looks sweet, too bad it costs $$$.
> >
> > Jay
> > _______________________________________________
> > tclug-list mailing list
> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


From barnabas at knicknack.net  Thu Jan 18 08:54:11 2001
From: barnabas at knicknack.net (barnabas@knicknack.net)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:52 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Serial Port set up
In-Reply-To: <sa66ac04.047@mspeos0.corp.medtronic.COM>; from john.komp@medtronic.com on Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 08:40:26AM -0600
References: <sa66ac04.047@mspeos0.corp.medtronic.COM>
Message-ID: <20010118085411.C19079@knicknack.net>

I have seen some versions of Slackware that do not use the serial.conf
correctly.  I just took the easy route and put the setserial command
in /etc/rc.d/rc.local.

Eric

On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 08:40:26AM -0600, John Komp wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the help so far. Lots of people got the buffer flush issue
> figured out. Phil gets the prize for mentioning setvbuf. By changing
> printf from line buffering to no buffering all is well.
> 
> Unfortunately no one had an answer to my more pressing problem of
> getting the serial port to initalize properly. The boot process doesn't
> appear to be using serial.conf yet it would also appear that setserial
> is not running in automatic mode and rewriting serial.conf either. I'd
> appreciate some pointers in how to follow the Slackware boot process to
> figure out who is setting things up improperly so I can fix them.
> 
> Thanks again for all the help.
> 
> -John
> 
> >>> tclug-list-request@mn-linux.org 01/17/01 06:26PM >>>
> 
> 
> My serial port investigation continues. Here's the premise again...
> 
> I've got an embedded system that dumps chars and strings to a serial
> port. I've attached a Slackware 7.1 Toshiba 430 CDT laptop to the
> other
> end of the serial cable.  When the system streams a string of chars
> the
> linux box doesn't get anything but if I send individual chars they are
> received by the linux box.
> 
> When I send 'setserial -ga /dev/ttyS0' it tells me my UART is a
> 16550A.
> If I change this to a 16550 everything works fine. I looked at
> /etc/serial.conf and it is defining the port as a 16450. Who's really
> controlling this and how do I get it set properly?
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

From austad at marketwatch.com  Thu Jan 18 09:42:53 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:52 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] ftp daemons
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1092C3@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

I think I'm going to switch everything to proftpd.  wu-ftpd is a pain to
configure, and I hate running stuff through inetd anyway.  Proftpd's config
file is easy.

Anyone looked at apache.org lately?  2.0 will include ftp server
functionality.

Jay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Thomas T. Veldhouse [mailto:veldy@veldy.net]
> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 8:48 AM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] ftp daemons
> 
> 
> If I am not mistaken, BeroFTPd is a direct derivative of wu-ftpd (and
> therefore the original BSD ftpd).  Thus most holes that 
> wu-ftpd has are
> going to be found in BeroFTPd as well - and probably take 
> longer to fill.
> 
> Tom Veldhouse
> veldy@veldy.net
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jon V. Reuter" <jreuter@reuter-engineering.com>
> To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 7:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] ftp daemons
> 
> 
> > I'm using BeroFTPd and it's working well.
> >
> > Jon Reuter
> >
> >
> > "Austad, Jay" wrote:
> > >
> > > What's everyone using for an ftp daemon?  It seems like 
> new holes in
> wu-ftpd
> > > come out nearly as often as holes in sendmail, anyone 
> have a better
> > > solution?  Proftpd?  ncftpd looks sweet, too bad it costs $$$.
> > >
> > > Jay
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > tclug-list mailing list
> > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > _______________________________________________
> > tclug-list mailing list
> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> 
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

From nate.thern at usa.net  Thu Jan 18 09:53:52 2001
From: nate.thern at usa.net (Nate Thern)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:52 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] tclug-list -- confirmation of subscription -- request 629189
Message-ID: <20010118155352.17955.qmail@nwcst319.netaddress.usa.net>

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From natecars at real-time.com  Thu Jan 18 10:01:56 2001
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:52 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] general DNS question
In-Reply-To: <20010117161931.A16170@ringworld.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0101181001440.13929-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, Scott Dier wrote:
> @       IN      MX      10      firstbox-hostname
> firstbox-hostname       IN      A       ip.goes.here.damnit
> students        IN      MX      10      secondbox-hostname
> secondbox-hostname      IN      A       ip.goes.here.damnit
>
> If you wanted students.whatever to be a different webserver, or for it
> to go back to the main webserver (name based hosting!)
>
> www     IN      A       ip.for.webserver
> (or) www        IN      CNAME   hostname-of-www-box-that-isn't-named-www
> student IN      CNAME   www

Remember, you aren't supposed to have a MX record point to a CNAME..

-- 
Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500



From natecars at real-time.com  Thu Jan 18 10:02:38 2001
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:52 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Onvoy, Oh how you have fallen....
In-Reply-To: <20010117215328.C19403@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0101181002240.13929-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, Bob Tanner wrote:
> I have been hearing rumblings from many people and companies about the poor
> service from Onvoy. Connectivity, co-lo, hosting, etc...
>
> I have to admit, I have a soft spot for Onvoy, because in the old days, MrNet
> rocked. But after each acquistion, service got worse.
>
> Anyway, I took down our MrNet link to see WHEN I would get a response from them
> that my link was down. 48 hours and still nothing.
>
> In the old days, it was around 15 minutes.
>
> Ahh, let the slashback, or TCLUGback begin.

I remember when GoFast used to be like that, too.. now, it takes them
DAYS... :)

-- 
Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500



From veldy at veldy.net  Thu Jan 18 10:13:28 2001
From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:52 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Onvoy, Oh how you have fallen....
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0101181002240.13929-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <015a01c08169$98908090$3028680a@tgt.com>

I have never liked MRNet - they live true to reputation.  Even with their
new advisors who came from USWest.  Too late for them.  They survive purely
upon momentum.  I hope somebody stops them someday [takes away their big
stable contracts] - they will disappear like dust in the wind and let
somebody better step in.

Tom Veldhouse
veldy@veldy.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nate Carlson" <natecars@real-time.com>
To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Onvoy, Oh how you have fallen....


> On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, Bob Tanner wrote:
> > I have been hearing rumblings from many people and companies about the
poor
> > service from Onvoy. Connectivity, co-lo, hosting, etc...
> >
> > I have to admit, I have a soft spot for Onvoy, because in the old days,
MrNet
> > rocked. But after each acquistion, service got worse.
> >
> > Anyway, I took down our MrNet link to see WHEN I would get a response
from them
> > that my link was down. 48 hours and still nothing.
> >
> > In the old days, it was around 15 minutes.
> >
> > Ahh, let the slashback, or TCLUGback begin.
>
> I remember when GoFast used to be like that, too.. now, it takes them
> DAYS... :)
>
> --
> Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
> http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500
>
>
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>


From nate at nerp.net  Thu Jan 18 10:28:07 2001
From: nate at nerp.net (Nate Sanders)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:52 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Onvoy, Oh how you have fallen....
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0101181002240.13929-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <3A671996.1004DE1E@nerp.net>

Onvoy... MRnet... god don't get me started on them... I had a Colo at Honeycomb down
in Minneapolis for over a year. MRNet was their upstream. MRNet would go down for 2
hours atleast twice if not three times a month.

Now, my DSL is with Onvoy.... They STILL go down 2-3 times a month for 15mins-2hours
for no reason. It's hard to do much else in a 1yr contract and only being able to
get idsl, my options were limited. blech....


Nate Carlson wrote:

> On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, Bob Tanner wrote:
> > I have been hearing rumblings from many people and companies about the poor
> > service from Onvoy. Connectivity, co-lo, hosting, etc...
> >
> > I have to admit, I have a soft spot for Onvoy, because in the old days, MrNet
> > rocked. But after each acquistion, service got worse.
> >
> > Anyway, I took down our MrNet link to see WHEN I would get a response from them
> > that my link was down. 48 hours and still nothing.
> >
> > In the old days, it was around 15 minutes.
> >
> > Ahh, let the slashback, or TCLUGback begin.
>
> I remember when GoFast used to be like that, too.. now, it takes them
> DAYS... :)
>
> --
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From bob at math.umn.edu  Thu Jan 18 10:41:22 2001
From: bob at math.umn.edu (bob@math.umn.edu)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:52 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] For admin: unsub me
Message-ID: <20010118164122.26774.qmail@khusro.math.umn.edu>

Sorry about this, but I can't seem to unsub myself via

	tclug-list-unsubscribe

and the website has no instructions on the topic that I could find.
This may be because I'm not in the newer system explicitly (no password).

Thanks for your time.

Adios,
Chris
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Ferventer Vestite

From veldy at veldy.net  Thu Jan 18 10:38:52 2001
From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:53 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Onvoy, Oh how you have fallen....
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0101181002240.13929-100000@enchanter.real-time.com> <3A671996.1004DE1E@nerp.net>
Message-ID: <01ae01c0816d$24abc870$3028680a@tgt.com>

Just think of the MediaOne fiasco last year.  They were down all the time
and they received all the heat - but most often it was MRNet that was the
problem.  They ran the dial-up for the one-way modems and they supplied the
bandwidth.  MRNet's Sprint link from here to Chicago was almost ALWAYS
saturated.  I am sure that relationship cost the local MediaOne group lots
of money.  They have a "in your face" reputation with competing backbone
providers.

Tom Veldhouse
veldy@veldy.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nate Sanders" <nate@nerp.net>
To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Onvoy, Oh how you have fallen....


> Onvoy... MRnet... god don't get me started on them... I had a Colo at
Honeycomb down
> in Minneapolis for over a year. MRNet was their upstream. MRNet would go
down for 2
> hours atleast twice if not three times a month.
>
> Now, my DSL is with Onvoy.... They STILL go down 2-3 times a month for
15mins-2hours
> for no reason. It's hard to do much else in a 1yr contract and only being
able to
> get idsl, my options were limited. blech....
>
>
> Nate Carlson wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, Bob Tanner wrote:
> > > I have been hearing rumblings from many people and companies about the
poor
> > > service from Onvoy. Connectivity, co-lo, hosting, etc...
> > >
> > > I have to admit, I have a soft spot for Onvoy, because in the old
days, MrNet
> > > rocked. But after each acquistion, service got worse.
> > >
> > > Anyway, I took down our MrNet link to see WHEN I would get a response
from them
> > > that my link was down. 48 hours and still nothing.
> > >
> > > In the old days, it was around 15 minutes.
> > >
> > > Ahh, let the slashback, or TCLUGback begin.
> >
> > I remember when GoFast used to be like that, too.. now, it takes them
> > DAYS... :)
> >
> > --
> > Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
> > http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > tclug-list mailing list
> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> --
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> http://www.damnation.net           IRC: darkskull@NEWNET
>
>
>
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From esper at sherohman.org  Thu Jan 18 11:06:42 2001
From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:53 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] For admin: unsub me
In-Reply-To: <20010118164122.26774.qmail@khusro.math.umn.edu>; from bob@math.umn.edu on Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 10:41:22AM -0600
References: <20010118164122.26774.qmail@khusro.math.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <20010118110642.B9986@sherohman.org>

On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 10:41:22AM -0600, bob@math.umn.edu wrote:
> Sorry about this, but I can't seem to unsub myself via
> 
> 	tclug-list-unsubscribe
> 
> and the website has no instructions on the topic that I could find.
> This may be because I'm not in the newer system explicitly (no password).

You have a random password that Mailman assigned you when you were added to
the new list.  Go to
https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list, scroll to the
bottom of the page and enter your address in the box next to the "Edit
Options" button, hit the button, and on the page that comes up, you can
request that your password be mailed to you.

(Or send mail to -request with subject "help".  I don't know how to request a
password reminder without using the web interface off the top of my head, but
there's probably a way.)

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!K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+

From psp at printwareinc.com  Thu Jan 18 11:50:19 2001
From: psp at printwareinc.com (Phil Plumbo)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:53 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] get MAC address remotely
Message-ID: <20010118174958697.AAA337@SUMO.printwareinc.com>

Can someone point me to a tool that will read the MAC address of a specific
remote ethernet adapter? I'd like to either scan my local network and
collect all the addresses, or specify a range of addresses.

Phil  Plumbo            | Printware, Inc.           |
psp@printwareinc.com    | 1270 Eagan Industrial Rd. | voice: 651-456-1400
http://printwareinc.com | St. Paul, MN 55121  USA   |   fax: 651-454-3684
                      


From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com  Thu Jan 18 12:01:43 2001
From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:53 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] get MAC address remotely
Message-ID: <0G7D00C0NE7FGQ@mail1.supervalu.com>

Routers/switches usually strip out the MAC information.

However, machines connected via a hub together can usually
find out the MAC of another machine by using arp.

Nick Reinking





psp@printwareinc.com, on 01/18/2001 11:50:19 AM
To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF
cc:  
Subject: [TCLUG] get MAC address remotely

Can someone point me to a tool that will read the MAC address of a specific
remote ethernet adapter? I'd like to either scan my local network and
collect all the addresses, or specify a range of addresses.

Phil  Plumbo            | Printware, Inc.           |
psp@printwareinc.com    | 1270 Eagan Industrial Rd. | voice: 651-456-1400
http://printwareinc.com | St. Paul, MN 55121  USA   |   fax: 651-454-3684
                      

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From veldy at veldy.net  Thu Jan 18 13:21:20 2001
From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:53 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] get MAC address remotely
References: <20010118174958697.AAA337@SUMO.printwareinc.com>
Message-ID: <021801c08183$d726b170$3028680a@tgt.com>

If you run a dhcp server on your network - the MAC address is passed to it.

Tom Veldhouse
veldy@veldy.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Plumbo" <psp@printwareinc.com>
To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 11:50 AM
Subject: [TCLUG] get MAC address remotely


> Can someone point me to a tool that will read the MAC address of a
specific
> remote ethernet adapter? I'd like to either scan my local network and
> collect all the addresses, or specify a range of addresses.
>
> Phil  Plumbo            | Printware, Inc.           |
> psp@printwareinc.com    | 1270 Eagan Industrial Rd. | voice: 651-456-1400
> http://printwareinc.com | St. Paul, MN 55121  USA   |   fax: 651-454-3684
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


From jsowers at osii.com  Thu Jan 18 14:59:29 2001
From: jsowers at osii.com (Jason Sowers)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:53 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] get MAC address remotely
In-Reply-To: <021801c08183$d726b170$3028680a@tgt.com>
Message-ID: <KIEJKEGIEEMCHPGDMCOFOEGBCHAA.jsowers@osii.com>

What I've done that works, is either from a Linux box or NT, ping the IP
address, then type arp -a to display the arp entries.  That should do it for
you one at a time.

-Jason Sowers
Network Engineer
Open Systems International, Inc.


-----Original Message-----
From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org
[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Thomas T. Veldhouse
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 1:21 PM
To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] get MAC address remotely


If you run a dhcp server on your network - the MAC address is passed to it.

Tom Veldhouse
veldy@veldy.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Plumbo" <psp@printwareinc.com>
To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 11:50 AM
Subject: [TCLUG] get MAC address remotely


> Can someone point me to a tool that will read the MAC address of a
specific
> remote ethernet adapter? I'd like to either scan my local network and
> collect all the addresses, or specify a range of addresses.
>
> Phil  Plumbo            | Printware, Inc.           |
> psp@printwareinc.com    | 1270 Eagan Industrial Rd. | voice: 651-456-1400
> http://printwareinc.com | St. Paul, MN 55121  USA   |   fax: 651-454-3684
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>

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From webgirl at wagtopia.com  Thu Jan 18 15:19:19 2001
From: webgirl at wagtopia.com (Heather Wagamon)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:53 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Linux better than advertised - wlan
Message-ID: <01C08162.0A1FACC0.webgirl@wagtopia.com>

I'm trying to set up a new computer on the network.  The new computer runs 
win98.  We have linux servers.  I set up everything in the control 
panel/network area but it wont' let me log in.  Do I have to set something 
(IP address, maybe?) in our Linux server?  How do I do that?

Thanks!!!
Heather

From andy at theasis.com  Thu Jan 18 12:33:48 2001
From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:53 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] get MAC address remotely
In-Reply-To: <20010118174958697.AAA337@SUMO.printwareinc.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0101181232590.18867-100000@desmodus.theasis.com>

ARPWATCH(8)                                           ARPWATCH(8)

NAME
       arpwatch - keep track of ethernet/ip address pairings


Andy

On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, Phil Plumbo wrote:

> Can someone point me to a tool that will read the MAC address of a specific
> remote ethernet adapter? I'd like to either scan my local network and
> collect all the addresses, or specify a range of addresses.
> 
> Phil  Plumbo            | Printware, Inc.           |
> psp@printwareinc.com    | 1270 Eagan Industrial Rd. | voice: 651-456-1400
> http://printwareinc.com | St. Paul, MN 55121  USA   |   fax: 651-454-3684
>                       
> 
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 


From lanbarnes at earthlink.net  Thu Jan 18 15:43:02 2001
From: lanbarnes at earthlink.net (Lan Barnes)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:53 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Linux better than advertised - wlan
References: <01C08162.0A1FACC0.webgirl@wagtopia.com>
Message-ID: <3A676366.6BFEF585@earthlink.net>

Heather Wagamon wrote:
> 
> I'm trying to set up a new computer on the network.  The new computer runs
> win98.  We have linux servers.  I set up everything in the control
> panel/network area but it wont' let me log in.  Do I have to set something
> (IP address, maybe?) in our Linux server?  How do I do that?
> 

samba

-- 
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From tanner at real-time.com  Thu Jan 18 15:56:53 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:53 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] PGPfreeware from Outlook and Mutt with GPG ?
Message-ID: <20010118155653.A22277@real-time.com>

Ok, I have read all(?) of the FAQ and messed with countless procmail receipes,
but I have failed.

Is there anyway to read PGPfreeware/Outlook generated email under Mutt/GPG?

I really hate saving the file, running gpg over it and then finally reading it.

-- 
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From spaltzer at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 18 16:59:03 2001
From: spaltzer at yahoo.com (Steve Paltzer)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:53 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Content filtering software.
Message-ID: <20010118225903.31763.qmail@web11507.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello all,

I need to setup content filtering software at several locations, so I am
wondering what other people were using. I am primarily looking into software
that runs on a (Linux or BSD) server and filters for the entire LAN.

I am also considering having the ISP do the filtering, any local ISPs that
provide this service for DSL customers?

Tim or anyone, do you have a URL for TIES.

Some software packages I am reading about.
http://www.activeguardian.com/
http://www.internetfilter.com/serv.html <-- looks out of date.

Thank you for any suggestions you might have,
-Steve

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. 
http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

From spaltzer at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 18 17:00:19 2001
From: spaltzer at yahoo.com (Steve Paltzer)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:53 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Content filtering software.
Message-ID: <20010118230019.59979.qmail@web11508.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello all,

I need to setup content filtering software at several locations, so I am
wondering what other people were using. I am primarily looking into software
that runs on a (Linux or BSD) server and filters for the entire LAN.

I am also considering having the ISP do the filtering, any local ISPs that
provide this service for DSL customers?

Tim or anyone, do you have a URL for TIES.

Some software packages I am reading about.
http://www.activeguardian.com/
http://www.internetfilter.com/serv.html <-- looks out of date.

Thank you for any suggestions you might have,
-Steve

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. 
http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

From spaltzer at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 18 17:03:43 2001
From: spaltzer at yahoo.com (Steve Paltzer)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:53 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Content filtering software.
Message-ID: <20010118230343.94837.qmail@web11502.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello all,

I need to setup content filtering software at several locations, so I am
wondering what other people were using. I am primarily looking into software
that runs on a (Linux or BSD) server and filters for the entire LAN.

I am also considering having the ISP do the filtering, any local ISPs that
provide this service for its DSL customers?

Tim or anyone, do you have a URL for TIES.

Some software packages I am reading about.
http://www.activeguardian.com/
http://www.internetfilter.com/serv.html <-- looks out of date.

Thank you for any suggestions you might have,
-Steve

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. 
http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

From webgirl at wagtopia.com  Thu Jan 18 15:39:54 2001
From: webgirl at wagtopia.com (Heather Wagamon)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:53 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] connecting to network...
Message-ID: <01C08164.E81CFB20.webgirl@wagtopia.com>

sorry- i had to resend this message under a better subject...  

-----Original Message-----
From:	Heather Wagamon [SMTP:webgirl@wagtopia.com]
Sent:	Thursday, January 18, 2001 3:19 PM
To:	'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'
Subject:	RE: [TCLUG] Linux better than advertised - wlan

I'm trying to set up a new computer on the network.  The new computer runs 
win98.  We have linux servers.  I set up everything in the control 
panel/network area but it wont' let me log in.  Do I have to set something 
(IP address, maybe?) in our Linux server?  How do I do that?

Thanks!!!
Heather
_______________________________________________
tclug-list mailing list
tclug-list@mn-linux.org
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From dieman at ringworld.org  Thu Jan 18 13:39:12 2001
From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:53 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Onvoy, Oh how you have fallen....
In-Reply-To: <015a01c08169$98908090$3028680a@tgt.com>; from veldy@veldy.net on Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 10:13:28AM -0600
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0101181002240.13929-100000@enchanter.real-time.com> <015a01c08169$98908090$3028680a@tgt.com>
Message-ID: <20010118133911.I26630@ringworld.org>

* Thomas T. Veldhouse <veldy@veldy.net> [010118 10:20]:
> upon momentum.  I hope somebody stops them someday [takes away their big
> stable contracts] - they will disappear like dust in the wind and let

Allready happened, my friend.

Qwest got a nice big oc-3 link to the U a while back.  It routes out to
denver.

-- 
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http://www.ringworld.org/  #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net

"Kupo, kupkup, kupopo...  Po... Kupo!?  KUPOPO!!!
	<Chomp chomp> Kupooo."
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From dieman at ringworld.org  Thu Jan 18 13:41:22 2001
From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:54 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Onvoy, Oh how you have fallen....
In-Reply-To: <01ae01c0816d$24abc870$3028680a@tgt.com>; from veldy@veldy.net on Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 10:38:52AM -0600
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0101181002240.13929-100000@enchanter.real-time.com> <3A671996.1004DE1E@nerp.net> <01ae01c0816d$24abc870$3028680a@tgt.com>
Message-ID: <20010118134122.J26630@ringworld.org>

* Thomas T. Veldhouse <veldy@veldy.net> [010118 10:42]:
> bandwidth.  MRNet's Sprint link from here to Chicago was almost ALWAYS
> saturated.  I am sure that relationship cost the local MediaOne group lots
> of money.  They have a "in your face" reputation with competing backbone

M1/rr stopped using the MRnet modem pool and connectivity just after a
year of them starting it with MRnet.

Right now most of the traffic goes over the private rr network to kansas
city and chicago.  

-- 
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http://www.ringworld.org/  #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net

"Kupo, kupkup, kupopo...  Po... Kupo!?  KUPOPO!!!
	<Chomp chomp> Kupooo."
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From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu  Thu Jan 18 17:40:38 2001
From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:54 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] connecting to network...
In-Reply-To: <01C08164.E81CFB20.webgirl@wagtopia.com>; from webgirl@wagtopia.com on Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 03:39:54PM -0600
References: <01C08164.E81CFB20.webgirl@wagtopia.com>
Message-ID: <20010118174038.D33199@sorry.cs.umn.edu>

I think we're all confused as to exactly what you're talking about (I know
I am).  What exactly are you trying to login to?  It sounds like you're
trying to login to Win98, but Win98 is a single-user OS, so you can't
really "login to" it.

Are you trying to mount drives from your Linux servers to the new Win98
machine?

Are you trying to login to the Linux servers from the Win98 machine (using
telnet, or ftp, or some other program)?

More information would be helpful.

Gabe

On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 03:39:54PM -0600, Heather Wagamon wrote:
> 
> sorry- i had to resend this message under a better subject...  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Heather Wagamon [SMTP:webgirl@wagtopia.com]
> Sent:	Thursday, January 18, 2001 3:19 PM
> To:	'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'
> Subject:	RE: [TCLUG] Linux better than advertised - wlan
> 
> I'm trying to set up a new computer on the network.  The new computer runs 
> win98.  We have linux servers.  I set up everything in the control 
> panel/network area but it wont' let me log in.  Do I have to set something 
> (IP address, maybe?) in our Linux server?  How do I do that?
> 
> Thanks!!!
> Heather
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> _______________________________________________
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From dieman at ringworld.org  Thu Jan 18 17:41:19 2001
From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:54 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Content filtering software.
In-Reply-To: <20010118230343.94837.qmail@web11502.mail.yahoo.com>; from spaltzer@yahoo.com on Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 03:03:43PM -0800
References: <20010118230343.94837.qmail@web11502.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20010118174118.A11094@ringworld.org>

* Steve Paltzer <spaltzer@yahoo.com> [010118 17:10]:
> I need to setup content filtering software at several locations, so I am

www.peacefire.org , need I say more?

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From spaltzer at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 18 19:20:38 2001
From: spaltzer at yahoo.com (Steve Paltzer)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:54 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Content filtering software.
Message-ID: <20010119012038.83583.qmail@web11504.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Scott Dier <dieman@ringworld.org> wrote:
> 
> www.peacefire.org , need I say more?

You can say more if you want... I have read some of the content at
peacefire.org, and I think they are off base. It sounds like they just want to
get ride of filtering software, instead of improve it.

I was asked to install filtering software, and that is what I am going to do.

Question. Can you get "Adult" books, magazines, or videos from the Library? No.
So why do people think they should be able to get simular content from the
Library's Internet connection. Now when it comes to the Internet connection I
pay for, No I would not want it filtered, and I belive that is my right. But at
work, the Library, and School I would expect it to filtered.

bla bla bla... I realy do not want this to turn into a big debate (I say that
after I have said my peace), but I am really interested in what Content
filtering solution I am sure some of you have had to setup. 

-Steve
PS. I will have to email Akamai to let them know they are being used by
PeaceFire. Although I have to say it is a neat idea, and could be useful.
http://www.peacefire.org/bypass/Proxy/backbone.html

PPS. Sorry to send out the initial email 3 times. My Yahoo mail account was not
working correctly and I was not sure that it went until the 3rd try.


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From jamie at getsetnet.net  Thu Jan 18 22:15:21 2001
From: jamie at getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:54 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Good Linux C Prog. mags?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0101182208190.22599-100000@floyd.getsetnet.net>


   I am interested in finding some really good magazines. I was just
recently reading Unix Systems Programming for SVR4 and Ritchie's C book. I am 
interested in learning more about how Linux works through learning C and
making some C programs that dig into the core of the OS a little bit. 

   Are there any good magazines out there that are devoted to C
programming for Linux systems that teach you more about what is really
going on in the box through different programming examples and whatnot?

   Thanks much,

     - Jme 

-- 



From dieman at ringworld.org  Thu Jan 18 22:16:45 2001
From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:54 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Content filtering software.
In-Reply-To: <20010119012038.83583.qmail@web11504.mail.yahoo.com>; from spaltzer@yahoo.com on Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 05:20:38PM -0800
References: <20010119012038.83583.qmail@web11504.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20010118221645.B11094@ringworld.org>

* Steve Paltzer <spaltzer@yahoo.com> [010118 19:36]:
> pay for, No I would not want it filtered, and I belive that is my right. But at
> work, the Library, and School I would expect it to filtered.

Ok, find me a technology that blocks 100% of things I can't find in a
library, and gives me 100% of things that would be included in a
library.

It doesn't exist.  It's like asking someone to catalog the *entire*
'net.  The mechanics and spirit of the internet is that these things
exist.  People dont go around and board up an 'offensive' store because
it exists.

The High School I went to in Maple Grove never resorted to these
tactics.  They decided to educate users on how to deal with it if there
is a problem, which is that it isn't allowed... but if you do end up
there, just hit the back button, or close the browser, turn of the
monitor and ask a tech for help.  All of these are solutions that will
prevent the blockage of legit. information to people who might not have
the resources to purchase a computer or internet access.

Might just be better to have a whitelist instead.  Give them access to
sites approved for their content because people cant seem to control
themselves over that there Internet thing anymore.

-- 
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From andyzib at ringworld.org  Fri Jan 19 00:04:35 2001
From: andyzib at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby))
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:54 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Content filtering software.
References: <20010119012038.83583.qmail@web11504.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3A67D8F3.7CEAA13E@ringworld.org>

If you promise to read my opinions I promise to share what I'm doing!
(Actually I will go either way on this argument depending on the situation,
so just bear with me going to the other end of the spectrum you're on. :)

> It sounds like they just want to get ride of filtering software, instead of improve it.
This issue at hand is how do you mark something as objectional when weather
it is objectional or not is objectional. Why, you end up in an inifinite
loop my friend. 


> I was asked to install filtering software, and that is what I am going to do.
Sounds like a good idea on paper doesn't it?

> Question. Can you get "Adult" books, magazines, or videos from the Library? No.
Yes, you can get book with adult themes that are more provocitave than any
porn you can find on the internet. But but, you might have to use your
imagination! The horror of it all. But no, you won't find simple minded
porn, which is enjoyable in it's own way I suppose. 

> So why do people think they should be able to get simular content from the
> Library's Internet connection. Now when it comes to the Internet connection I
> pay for, No I would not want it filtered, and I belive that is my right. But at
> work, the Library, and School I would expect it to filtered.

Well, isn't that what the internet is for? Getting access to information
that isn't available at the libiary? If I was doing research and the libiary
didn't have a resource I needed, I'd hope I'd be able to find something on
the net without getting an access denied type message.

> 
> bla bla bla... I realy do not want this to turn into a big debate
Too late! 

> but I am really interested in what Content
> filtering solution I am sure some of you have had to setup.
Allright Allright. I know the other side of the argument and it is just as
valid. After all, business owners are paying for internet access for
business, not so they're employees can look up info on the latest games,
porn, or what have you. So here is what I do:

We use squid as a proxy, a content controlling proxy, and a cache server.
Our firewall rules limit web requests so that they can only come from the
cache server, thus forcing everyone to use the squid box to get out to the
net. (There are better ways I'm sure, but that is how it was set up when I
started at this place, which is by far a better place than I left, as you
probally know. :) 

For content control we use squid block, which is something of a user
maintained list of bad sites. It is far from complete, as say, planetquake
is blocked yet planetunreal and planethalflife are not. You get the picture
I'm sure. Cron jobs update the list from the main sight. ( You should be
able to find this off of http://www.squid-cache.org )

"Privliged" users are given a DHCP reservation (excuse the MS term there...)
which basically means that the Linux DHCP server always gives the same IP
address to the MAC address of a computer. Since most of our computers are in
individual offices it isn't too big of a concern, the NT logon log has been
able to clear up the few issues we've had. "Unprivliged" users get a dynamic
ip. 

Squid knows what range of IPs are privliged and unprivliged, and those are
the only two access levels we have. Privliged level still filters for port
and the like (and does a semi-decent job of it, but if sex is part of a
legit domains name it will screw up...)

Unprivliged IPs are restricted to a list of sites that managment (and
myself) decide are necissary for business. Generally this includes shippers
sites (UPS, FedEx, etc.), suppliers, sites like windows update and other
support related sites, and a few other misc sites that don't fit in to any
other catagory. Durring lunch time and after hours, they get the same access
as unprivliged sites. 

For the most part, it works. 

I think something similar could work in the a libiary situation if some
level of web based administration was set up. If squid blocks a site, it
should present the user with a page that explans why and a web form to fill
out to submit a request for review to the assistants on duty. On this page
should also be displayed a list of recently reviewed sites with some easy to
understand indicatior of the reviewers opinion (red, yellow, green for
simplicity. Red for stay blocked, yellow for certin machines [ie, those not
in the children's area] and green for all machines.) 

The attendents make a immideate judgement call that stands until the next
review by some sort of community board. The sites reviewed are reviewed by
this body, and changes go into effect and are subbmitted the national
database. After another review, the changes are in the national database.

The database priority would be something like this:

national
state
county
city?
libiary/school

The more regional levels can override all levels above it. 

Well, it still isn't a perfect idea, but I feel it's a step in the right
direction, espically for the public libiary system where OSS should shine.

I'm going to forgo any proofreading, grammer, or spell checks on this e-mail
as I am somewhat sick, quite tired, and very cold. My bed with the electric
blanket is over riding the filters that would otherwise make me take these
actions. (Well, that was a really lame attempt at an example of my system at
work wasn't it?)

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From tanner at real-time.com  Fri Jan 19 01:04:02 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:54 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Snort on interface without IP?
Message-ID: <20010119010402.F24004@real-time.com>

I read an article about using iptraf on an interface without an IP address, just
in promiscious mode.

Anyone know if Snort will work this way.

http://www.zdnet.com/enterprise/stories/main/0,10228,2675100,00.html

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From austad at marketwatch.com  Fri Jan 19 01:56:06 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:54 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Snort on interface without IP?
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1092CE@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

Yep!

ifconfig eth1 up

Don't bother assigning it an IP.  Then start snort with the -i eth1 option.
(or whatever interface you want to listen on.  FYI, you should always use
the -u option also to run as a non-priveledged user, running snort as root
could have bad consequences if some sort of buffer overflow exploit is
discovered.

Jay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Tanner [mailto:tanner@real-time.com]
> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 1:04 AM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: [TCLUG] Snort on interface without IP?
> 
> 
> I read an article about using iptraf on an interface without 
> an IP address, just
> in promiscious mode.
> 
> Anyone know if Snort will work this way.
> 
> http://www.zdnet.com/enterprise/stories/main/0,10228,2675100,00.html
> 
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> http://www.mn-linux.org                 | Fax   : (952)943-8500
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From psp at printwareinc.com  Fri Jan 19 09:48:14 2001
From: psp at printwareinc.com (Phil Plumbo)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:54 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] get MAC address remotely
Message-ID: <20010119154809184.AAB397@SUMO.printwareinc.com>

Thanks fellow TCLUGers for the tips on arp - it got the job done. This is a
great group.

Phil  Plumbo            | Printware, Inc.           |
psp@printwareinc.com    | 1270 Eagan Industrial Rd. | voice: 651-456-1400
http://printwareinc.com | St. Paul, MN 55121  USA   |   fax: 651-454-3684
                      


From natecars at real-time.com  Fri Jan 19 10:10:15 2001
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:54 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Content filtering software.
In-Reply-To: <20010118230343.94837.qmail@web11502.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0101191010100.19275-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, Steve Paltzer wrote:
> I need to setup content filtering software at several locations, so I am
> wondering what other people were using. I am primarily looking into software
> that runs on a (Linux or BSD) server and filters for the entire LAN.
>
> I am also considering having the ISP do the filtering, any local ISPs that
> provide this service for its DSL customers?
>
> Tim or anyone, do you have a URL for TIES.
>
> Some software packages I am reading about.
> http://www.activeguardian.com/
> http://www.internetfilter.com/serv.html <-- looks out of date.
>
> Thank you for any suggestions you might have,

Squid.

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http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500



From Galli-Wangler at t-online.de  Fri Jan 19 10:13:37 2001
From: Galli-Wangler at t-online.de (Emil Galli)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:55 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] SIM 2001
Message-ID: <B68E2640.E17%emil@loeffler.ch>

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From mbresnahan1 at mmm.com  Fri Jan 19 10:17:01 2001
From: mbresnahan1 at mmm.com (Mike Bresnahan)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:55 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Good Linux C Prog. mags?
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0101182208190.22599-100000@floyd.getsetnet.net>
Message-ID: <007901c08233$42172550$84340aa9@mmm.com>

I can't tell you about any magazines, but I can recommend as the best UNIX
programming book I've read "Advanced Programing in the UNIX Environment" by
Richard(?) Stevens published by Addison Wesly.  Though he doesn't cover
linux specifically, he does cover System V Release 4, POSIX, BSD, and the
even includes some history explaining how/why the UNIX variants became the
way they are.

Also, I believe the Linux Documentation Project has a document called "The
Linux Kernel Hacking Guide" that may be useful to you.

Mike Bresnahan

----- Original Message -----
From: Jamie Ostrowski <jamie@getsetnet.net>
To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 10:15 PM
Subject: [TCLUG] Good Linux C Prog. mags?


>
>
>    I am interested in finding some really good magazines. I was just
> recently reading Unix Systems Programming for SVR4 and Ritchie's C book. I
am
> interested in learning more about how Linux works through learning C and
> making some C programs that dig into the core of the OS a little bit.
>
>    Are there any good magazines out there that are devoted to C
> programming for Linux systems that teach you more about what is really
> going on in the box through different programming examples and whatnot?
>
>    Thanks much,
>
>      - Jme
>
> --
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From jhallgren at abaton.com  Fri Jan 19 10:33:07 2001
From: jhallgren at abaton.com (Jeff Hallgren)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:55 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Content filtering software.
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0101191010100.19275-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <3A686C43.CF2EE664@abaton.com>

How about a blocklist for junkbuster? Then set the user's browser to hit
the junkbuster proxy. If anyone has a censoring blocklist I'd like to
use it also.


Nate Carlson wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, Steve Paltzer wrote:
> > I need to setup content filtering software at several locations, so I am
> > wondering what other people were using. I am primarily looking into software
> > that runs on a (Linux or BSD) server and filters for the entire LAN.
> >
> > I am also considering having the ISP do the filtering, any local ISPs that
> > provide this service for its DSL customers?
> >
> > Tim or anyone, do you have a URL for TIES.
> >
> > Some software packages I am reading about.
> > http://www.activeguardian.com/
> > http://www.internetfilter.com/serv.html <-- looks out of date.
> >
> > Thank you for any suggestions you might have,
> 
> Squid.
> 
> --
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> http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500
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From JON.STIGNANI at spps.org  Fri Jan 19 10:49:26 2001
From: JON.STIGNANI at spps.org (JON.STIGNANI@spps.org)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:55 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Requested URL (was Content filtering software.)
Message-ID: <062569D9.005C6418.00@spps.org>


If you're still looking, the URL for TIES is

 http://www.ties.k12.mn.us

Jon





Jeff Hallgren <jhallgren@abaton.com> on 01/19/2001 10:33:07 AM

Please respond to tclug-list@mn-linux.org

To:   tclug-list@mn-linux.org
cc:    (bcc: JON STIGNANI/spps)
Subject:  Re: [TCLUG] Content filtering software.




How about a blocklist for junkbuster? Then set the user's browser to hit
the junkbuster proxy. If anyone has a censoring blocklist I'd like to
use it also.


Nate Carlson wrote:
>
> On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, Steve Paltzer wrote:
> > I need to setup content filtering software at several locations, so I am
> > wondering what other people were using. I am primarily looking into software
> > that runs on a (Linux or BSD) server and filters for the entire LAN.
> >
> > I am also considering having the ISP do the filtering, any local ISPs that
> > provide this service for its DSL customers?
> >
> > Tim or anyone, do you have a URL for TIES.
> >
> > Some software packages I am reading about.
> > http://www.activeguardian.com/
> > http://www.internetfilter.com/serv.html <-- looks out of date.
> >
> > Thank you for any suggestions you might have,
>
> Squid.
>
> --
> Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
> http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500
>
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From veldy at veldy.net  Fri Jan 19 10:57:49 2001
From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:55 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Content filtering software.
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0101191010100.19275-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <010d01c08238$f4f59ad0$3028680a@tgt.com>

How much disk space and memory would be required to run Squid on a home
server?  Assume two users with moderate (just use yourself as an example)
usage.

Tom Veldhouse
veldy@veldy.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nate Carlson" <natecars@real-time.com>
To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Content filtering software.


> On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, Steve Paltzer wrote:
> > I need to setup content filtering software at several locations, so I am
> > wondering what other people were using. I am primarily looking into
software
> > that runs on a (Linux or BSD) server and filters for the entire LAN.
> >
> > I am also considering having the ISP do the filtering, any local ISPs
that
> > provide this service for its DSL customers?
> >
> > Tim or anyone, do you have a URL for TIES.
> >
> > Some software packages I am reading about.
> > http://www.activeguardian.com/
> > http://www.internetfilter.com/serv.html <-- looks out of date.
> >
> > Thank you for any suggestions you might have,
>
> Squid.
>
> --
> Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
> http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500
>
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From natecars at real-time.com  Fri Jan 19 11:52:02 2001
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:55 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Content filtering software.
In-Reply-To: <010d01c08238$f4f59ad0$3028680a@tgt.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0101191144400.19275-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
> How much disk space and memory would be required to run Squid on a home
> server?  Assume two users with moderate (just use yourself as an example)
> usage.

I'm running it on my firewall at home, I see virtually no extra load for
3-4 users.. of course, my firewall is also a Pentium Pro 200, but still..

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From veldy at veldy.net  Fri Jan 19 12:22:41 2001
From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:55 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Content filtering software.
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0101191144400.19275-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <016e01c08244$cfe2d3f0$3028680a@tgt.com>

Mine is a Celeron 500 with 160MB RAM and a 4GIG UDMA33 drive.  I have a 6.4
GIG drive I can add to it - but I would prefer not to if I don't need to.
How are you using squid?  Are you forcing users of port 80 to squid - or are
you setting the proxy server settings in the browser to aim at Squid?

Tom Veldhouse
veldy@veldy.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nate Carlson" <natecars@real-time.com>
To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Content filtering software.


> On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
> > How much disk space and memory would be required to run Squid on a home
> > server?  Assume two users with moderate (just use yourself as an
example)
> > usage.
>
> I'm running it on my firewall at home, I see virtually no extra load for
> 3-4 users.. of course, my firewall is also a Pentium Pro 200, but still..
>
> --
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From austad at marketwatch.com  Fri Jan 19 12:24:39 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:55 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Content filtering software.
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1092DF@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

> > How much disk space and memory would be required to run 
> Squid on a home
> > server?  Assume two users with moderate (just use yourself 
> as an example)
> > usage.

Squid is fast, you should be able to get by with a 486 no problem.  You can
set the size of the disk cache also.  I think the smallest you can set it is
1MB though, I was never able to figure out how to make it smaller than that.

Jay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nate Carlson [mailto:natecars@real-time.com]
> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 11:52 AM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Content filtering software.
> 
> 
> On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
> > How much disk space and memory would be required to run 
> Squid on a home
> > server?  Assume two users with moderate (just use yourself 
> as an example)
> > usage.
> 
> I'm running it on my firewall at home, I see virtually no 
> extra load for
> 3-4 users.. of course, my firewall is also a Pentium Pro 200, 
> but still..
> 
> -- 
> Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
> http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500
> 
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From veldy at veldy.net  Fri Jan 19 12:37:12 2001
From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:55 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Content filtering software.
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1092DF@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <018b01c08246$d7239990$3028680a@tgt.com>

Hell, I would give the cache 500MB :)

Tom Veldhouse
veldy@veldy.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Austad, Jay" <austad@marketwatch.com>
To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 12:24 PM
Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Content filtering software.


> > > How much disk space and memory would be required to run
> > Squid on a home
> > > server?  Assume two users with moderate (just use yourself
> > as an example)
> > > usage.
>
> Squid is fast, you should be able to get by with a 486 no problem.  You
can
> set the size of the disk cache also.  I think the smallest you can set it
is
> 1MB though, I was never able to figure out how to make it smaller than
that.
>
> Jay
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Nate Carlson [mailto:natecars@real-time.com]
> > Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 11:52 AM
> > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Content filtering software.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
> > > How much disk space and memory would be required to run
> > Squid on a home
> > > server?  Assume two users with moderate (just use yourself
> > as an example)
> > > usage.
> >
> > I'm running it on my firewall at home, I see virtually no
> > extra load for
> > 3-4 users.. of course, my firewall is also a Pentium Pro 200,
> > but still..
> >
> > --
> > Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
> > http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500
> >
> >
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From lanbarnes at earthlink.net  Fri Jan 19 10:30:39 2001
From: lanbarnes at earthlink.net (Lan Barnes)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:55 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Content filtering software.
References: <20010119012038.83583.qmail@web11504.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3A686BAF.F9775003@earthlink.net>

Steve Paltzer wrote:
> 
> Question. Can you get "Adult" books, magazines, or videos from the Library? No.
> So why do people think they should be able to get simular content from the
> Library's Internet connection. 

Why do you think it's good that erotic material isn't available in
libraries?  Even overlooking the reality that you can _always_ find someone
in every community who will say that book B is pornographic ("Catcher in
the Rye," anything by D. H. Lawrence, probably Harry Potter), erotic books
have an important place in our culture, and strike me as being worthy of
serious study. Aren't libraries meant to be places of study?

> bla bla bla... I realy do not want this to turn into a big debate (I say that
> after I have said my peace),

"Piece" unless that's an obscure pun, and it's too late.

> but I am really interested in what Content
> filtering solution I am sure some of you have had to setup.
> 

My understanding of the state of content filtering software ("No Smut Shall
Pass") is that it doesn't come even close to working. Plenty of raunchy
stuff gets through, and lots of legitimate stuff gets blocked.

<rant>

Sorry, but I really do believe that the First Amendment means what it says:

  Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech,
or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to
petition the government for a redress of grievances. 

Now, IANAL, but it's my understanding that the courts have always
interpreted this to mean that institutions supported by taxes cannot pick
and choose what is published or made available. 

I expect to find "Mein Kampf" in a public library (how else can people,
especially kids, realize what a sociopath Hitler was without reading his
manifesto?), as well as "Lady Chatterly's Lover," "Tropic of Cancer," and
"Huck Finn" (I never really _got_ what's wrong with "Huck Finn"). Certainly
students of psychology and Victorian mores should have free access to Frank
Harris' "My Secret Life." The poetry of Swindburne (_there's_ one twisted
bastard!) and Sappho should be on the shelf. So why not "Debbie Does
Digital"?

</rant>

BTW, this from /. is topical:
http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2675701,00.html. Maybe the
whole exercise will be moot by the time you find software your clients like
:-)

-- 
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 Then they laugh at you,
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From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu  Fri Jan 19 13:18:02 2001
From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:55 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Very disappointed in Caldera
In-Reply-To: <002c01c080be$10ea3560$5148ffd1@e8fse>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0101191314490.7739-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>

On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, Stephen B Knewtson wrote:

> I think you meant 'sentiment' :-)

No, I actually did mean sediment, and yes I knew that's not what it meant.  
It's like saying "viola" for "ta da!" and saying that someone is "a
common-sewer" when it comes to fine wine. <g>

> spell checkers will the death of language...eventually everything will be
> simplified to one word...talk about context sensitive.

I challenge any spell checker to a spelling bee!

-- 
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From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu  Fri Jan 19 13:25:59 2001
From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:55 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Content filtering software.
In-Reply-To: <20010118221645.B11094@ringworld.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0101191325070.7739-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>

On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, Scott Dier wrote:

> * Steve Paltzer <spaltzer@yahoo.com> [010118 19:36]:
> > pay for, No I would not want it filtered, and I belive that is my right. But at
> > work, the Library, and School I would expect it to filtered.
> 
> Ok, find me a technology that blocks 100% of things I can't find in a
> library, and gives me 100% of things that would be included in a
> library.

Sorry, Scott -- that's a recursive loop because these days you often find
an internet connection with a leaky filter in a library...

-- 
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From cop7586 at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 19 16:33:07 2001
From: cop7586 at hotmail.com (Chris Opp)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:55 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] computer show
Message-ID: <F199UVYKkpLTkUD5euw00003b6f@hotmail.com>


Anybody know anything about this supercomputing show at Canterbury Park this 
weekend? I want to buy a Sparc 20. Think there will be any Sun stuff?? 
Probably all PC stuff..


Chris
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From ben at nerp.net  Fri Jan 19 16:42:52 2001
From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:55 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] computer show
In-Reply-To: <F199UVYKkpLTkUD5euw00003b6f@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0101191641480.8594-100000@chef>

it's 99% pc stuff, maybe a few macs here and there.. it's not worth it for
the vendors to bring anything that isn't mainstream, or too much off the
beaten path.  lots of crappy parts, used equip, and software.  I tend to
just ignore the whole thing as being a bad idea

Thank You,
        Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net)

 "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends."

On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, Chris Opp wrote:

>
>
> Anybody know anything about this supercomputing show at Canterbury Park this
> weekend? I want to buy a Sparc 20. Think there will be any Sun stuff??
> Probably all PC stuff..
>
>
> Chris
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From spaltzer at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 19 16:53:25 2001
From: spaltzer at yahoo.com (Steve Paltzer)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:56 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] computer show
Message-ID: <20010119225325.86222.qmail@web11503.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello,

Here is the web site for the Super Computer Sale! I seriously doubt you will
find any Sun stuff. 
http://www.supercomputersale.com/

Every once and a while Materials Processing has Sun stuff. (651) 681-7366 
http://www.materialsprocessing.com/sspage.htm

A good place to try is Mashek Consulting Corp.
http://www.mashek.com/

-Steve

--- Chris Opp <cop7586@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Anybody know anything about this supercomputing show at Canterbury Park this 
> weekend? I want to buy a Sparc 20. Think there will be any Sun stuff?? 
> Probably all PC stuff..
> 
> 
> Chris
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From jacque at fruitioninc.com  Fri Jan 19 17:01:29 2001
From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:56 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting (finally!) January 25th 2001
Message-ID: <OEEGINPDBECPENDANKKMCEBHCAAA.jacque@fruitioninc.com>

Hey LUGies-

Ok the reservations are made and we'll be meeting on January 25th, 6pm - 8?,
at Jake's Sports Cafe in New Brighton.

Details:
790 W County Rd D
New Brighton, MN 55112-3509
Phone:   (651) 636-2901

Map:
http://twincities.citysearch.com/map?mode=geo&lat=450358&lon=-931973&id=5529
287&fid=2



Hope to see you there!

Jacque


From lxy at cloudnet.com  Fri Jan 19 17:06:59 2001
From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:56 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] computer show
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0101191641480.8594-100000@chef>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10101191700560.31262-100000@antares.cloudnet.com>

> it's 99% pc stuff, maybe a few macs here and there.. it's not worth it for
> the vendors to bring anything that isn't mainstream, or too much off the
> beaten path.  lots of crappy parts, used equip, and software.  I tend to
> just ignore the whole thing as being a bad idea

Usually the good deals are gone Fri morning anyway.  I went to one of
these once, it was about what you'd expect.  Large vendors trying to get
some money out of their dumpster-bound piles of misc hardware.  Yes, there
are good deals.  I know people who have scored big time at these things
($300 for a 21" monitor is a pretty good deal).  I went in search of a
cheap PC or the parts for cheap PCs, came home with a pile of floppy
disks.  Most of the cheap hardware was crap.  When it comes to cheap used
stuff, I find E-bay to be a better alternative than anything.

-Brian


From jacque at fruitioninc.com  Fri Jan 19 17:01:29 2001
From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:56 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beer Meeting (finally!) January 25th 2001
Message-ID: <OEEGINPDBECPENDANKKMCEBHCAAA.jacque@fruitioninc.com>

Hey LUGies-

Ok the reservations are made and we'll be meeting on January 25th, 6pm - 8?,
at Jake's Sports Cafe in New Brighton.

Details:
790 W County Rd D
New Brighton, MN 55112-3509
Phone:   (651) 636-2901

Map:
http://twincities.citysearch.com/map?mode=geo&lat=450358&lon=-931973&id=5529
287&fid=2



Hope to see you there!

Jacque

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From rgoldber at d.umn.edu  Fri Jan 19 18:31:01 2001
From: rgoldber at d.umn.edu (rgoldber@d.umn.edu)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:56 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Content filtering software.
In-Reply-To: <010d01c08238$f4f59ad0$3028680a@tgt.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0101191826500.14267-100000@236dul184.chartermi.net>

On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:

>How much disk space and memory would be required to run Squid on a home
>server?  Assume two users with moderate (just use yourself as an example)
>usage.
>
>Tom Veldhouse
>veldy@veldy.net
>

At one place I have a p166 with 32MB and 5 "moderate" users and 1 gig of
cache and the thing is *never* taxed at all.


-

Ryan 


From austad at marketwatch.com  Fri Jan 19 18:46:59 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:56 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Content filtering software.
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1092EE@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

I had a "secret squid proxy" setup at a place where we host some machines.
Some of our employees had to work in this other office and their Windows
proxy died about 7 or 8 times each day, and it would take them 30 minutes or
so to finally reboot it.  All of the people in their company started using
my secret proxy that I put there also.  This went on for a little over a
year, then they figured it out when they tried to block Napster in their
proxy but people were still using it.  Over 1000 Established connections
to/from that proxy at any given time during the day, and it never once had
any problems, and it never took more than 1% on the CPU.  They pulled the
plug on it though now.  :(

Jay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: rgoldber@d.umn.edu [mailto:rgoldber@d.umn.edu]
> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 6:31 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Content filtering software.
> 
> 
> On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
> 
> >How much disk space and memory would be required to run 
> Squid on a home
> >server?  Assume two users with moderate (just use yourself 
> as an example)
> >usage.
> >
> >Tom Veldhouse
> >veldy@veldy.net
> >
> 
> At one place I have a p166 with 32MB and 5 "moderate" users 
> and 1 gig of
> cache and the thing is *never* taxed at all.
> 
> 
> -
> 
> Ryan 
> 
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From jreuter at reuter-engineering.com  Fri Jan 19 20:15:36 2001
From: jreuter at reuter-engineering.com (Jon V. Reuter)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:56 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] ftp daemons
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1092B9@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> <3A6642C3.ED6405EE@reuter-engineering.com> <00a701c0815d$aba73ea0$3028680a@tgt.com>
Message-ID: <3A68F4C8.6FDE919F@reuter-engineering.com>

I was told by a fellow LUG'er that BeroFTPd fixed many of the
security vulnerabilities in wu-ftpd.

Jon Reuter

"Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote:
> 
> If I am not mistaken, BeroFTPd is a direct derivative of wu-ftpd (and
> therefore the original BSD ftpd).  Thus most holes that wu-ftpd has are
> going to be found in BeroFTPd as well - and probably take longer to fill.
> 
> Tom Veldhouse
> veldy@veldy.net
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jon V. Reuter" <jreuter@reuter-engineering.com>
> To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 7:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] ftp daemons
> 
> > I'm using BeroFTPd and it's working well.
> >
> > Jon Reuter
> >
> >
> > "Austad, Jay" wrote:
> > >
> > > What's everyone using for an ftp daemon?  It seems like new holes in
> wu-ftpd
> > > come out nearly as often as holes in sendmail, anyone have a better
> > > solution?  Proftpd?  ncftpd looks sweet, too bad it costs $$$.
> > >
> > > Jay
> > > _______________________________________________
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From lxy at antares.cloudnet.com  Sat Jan 20 21:10:29 2001
From: lxy at antares.cloudnet.com (Brian)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:56 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] ARP stuff
Message-ID: <200101210310.VAA31780@antares.cloudnet.com>

Is there any way to flush the ARP table on a linux box?  I changed out the
router for a network and the ARP table wouldn't update.  I finally did an
arp -s hostname MACaddress to fix it but why can't I just flush it?  I
tried echo'ing a bunch of crap to /proc/net/arp and it didn't do anything.
Any ideas?

-Brian

From phil80 at netscape.net  Sun Jan 21 10:14:38 2001
From: phil80 at netscape.net (Philip Forst)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:56 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Default Login Screen Display
Message-ID: <20010121161438.20856.qmail@wwcst035.netaddress.usa.net>

Hello.

I have a few servers running Redhat 6.1.  The login screen is always as
follows:

Red Hat Linux release 6.1 (Cartman)
Kernel 2.2.12-20 on an i586

<servername> login:

Anyway, I recall reading a way to either get rid of or substitute text for
everything but the "<servername> login:" part of the screen.  I did not,
however, bookmark nor am I able to find the page again.

Can any point me to documentation and/or a method (which file, etc.) I need to
access to make the change?  

Any assistance is appreciated.  Thanks.

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From rgoldber at d.umn.edu  Sun Jan 21 10:28:29 2001
From: rgoldber at d.umn.edu (rgoldber@d.umn.edu)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:56 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Default Login Screen Display
In-Reply-To: <20010121161438.20856.qmail@wwcst035.netaddress.usa.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0101211025140.26918-100000@236dul184.chartermi.net>

On 21 Jan 2001, Philip Forst wrote:

>Anyway, I recall reading a way to either get rid of or substitute text for

The text comes from /etc/issue and /etc/issue.net

In /etc/rc.d/rc.local there's stuff that overwrites those files.  Comment
that stuff out.

-

Ryan 


From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu  Sun Jan 21 11:46:50 2001
From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:56 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Default Login Screen Display
References: <20010121161438.20856.qmail@wwcst035.netaddress.usa.net>
Message-ID: <3A6B208A.C3E3992@tc.umn.edu>

Philip Forst wrote:
> 
> Anyway, I recall reading a way to either get rid of or substitute text for
> everything but the "<servername> login:" part of the screen.  I did not,
> however, bookmark nor am I able to find the page again.

In addition to what Ryan said, you should also check out the manual page
for mingetty.  It tells you what escape sequences you can put into the
/etc/issue file..

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From dkleist at acm.org  Sun Jan 21 12:46:29 2001
From: dkleist at acm.org (Dave Kleist)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:56 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Debian potato source - recompiling a kernel
Message-ID: <20010121124629.A1273@coder>

Okay, I'm lost.  I'm trying to recompile a kernel (potato
2.2.18-pre21-compact) because I've installed a CD-RW in the box and I
need to override ATAPI, and use SCSI emulation.  So, I've tried to do
this, but I got a tar.bz2 file: what do I do with this?  I tried tar
-xvf and that didn't seem to work.  (I already have kernel-package
downloaded, btw).

I also tried Google, but everyone seems to have assumed that I got a
good package downloaded.  So, anybody have any hints for me?

Thanks.

         - Dave


-- 
   Dave Kleist
   dkleist@acm.org
   "The covers of this book are too far apart."
              - Ambrose Bierce


From esper at sherohman.org  Sun Jan 21 12:52:07 2001
From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:56 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Debian potato source - recompiling a kernel
In-Reply-To: <20010121124629.A1273@coder>; from dkleist@acm.org on Sun, Jan 21, 2001 at 12:46:29PM -0600
References: <20010121124629.A1273@coder>
Message-ID: <20010121125207.B19210@sherohman.org>

On Sun, Jan 21, 2001 at 12:46:29PM -0600, Dave Kleist wrote:
> Okay, I'm lost.  I'm trying to recompile a kernel (potato
> 2.2.18-pre21-compact) because I've installed a CD-RW in the box and I
> need to override ATAPI, and use SCSI emulation.  So, I've tried to do
> this, but I got a tar.bz2 file: what do I do with this?  I tried tar
> -xvf and that didn't seem to work.  (I already have kernel-package
> downloaded, btw).

Read man tar:

       -j, --bzip2
              filter  archive  through  bzip2,  use to decompress
              .bz2 files

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From nate at nerp.net  Sun Jan 21 13:00:10 2001
From: nate at nerp.net (Nate Sanders)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:56 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Debian potato source - recompiling a kernel
References: <20010121124629.A1273@coder>
Message-ID: <3A6B31BA.EA3431B8@nerp.net>

bunzip that little devil!

bzip2(1)                                                 bzip2(1)

NAME
       bzip2, bunzip2 - a block-sorting file compressor, v1.0
       bzcat - decompresses files to stdout
       bzip2recover - recovers data from damaged bzip2 files

thats a bzip file. it compressed to a smaller rate then just .tgz


Dave Kleist wrote:

> Okay, I'm lost.  I'm trying to recompile a kernel (potato
> 2.2.18-pre21-compact) because I've installed a CD-RW in the box and I
> need to override ATAPI, and use SCSI emulation.  So, I've tried to do
> this, but I got a tar.bz2 file: what do I do with this?  I tried tar
> -xvf and that didn't seem to work.  (I already have kernel-package
> downloaded, btw).
>
> I also tried Google, but everyone seems to have assumed that I got a
> good package downloaded.  So, anybody have any hints for me?
>
> Thanks.
>
>          - Dave
>
> --
>    Dave Kleist
>    dkleist@acm.org
>    "The covers of this book are too far apart."
>               - Ambrose Bierce
>
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From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu  Sun Jan 21 13:02:45 2001
From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:56 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Debian potato source - recompiling a kernel
References: <20010121124629.A1273@coder> <20010121125207.B19210@sherohman.org>
Message-ID: <3A6B3255.87533BB6@tc.umn.edu>

Dave Sherohman wrote:
> 
> On Sun, Jan 21, 2001 at 12:46:29PM -0600, Dave Kleist wrote:
> > Okay, I'm lost.  I'm trying to recompile a kernel (potato
> > 2.2.18-pre21-compact) because I've installed a CD-RW in the box and I
> > need to override ATAPI, and use SCSI emulation.  So, I've tried to do
> > this, but I got a tar.bz2 file: what do I do with this?  I tried tar
> > -xvf and that didn't seem to work.  (I already have kernel-package
> > downloaded, btw).
> 
> Read man tar:
> 
>        -j, --bzip2
>               filter  archive  through  bzip2,  use to decompress
>               .bz2 files

-j?

Hmm..  Now that makes three things I've seen for bz2 files:  `tar yxvf'
`tar Ixvf' `tar jxvf'

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From esper at sherohman.org  Sun Jan 21 13:15:46 2001
From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:56 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Debian potato source - recompiling a kernel
In-Reply-To: <3A6B3255.87533BB6@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Sun, Jan 21, 2001 at 01:02:45PM -0600
References: <20010121124629.A1273@coder> <20010121125207.B19210@sherohman.org> <3A6B3255.87533BB6@tc.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <20010121131546.D19210@sherohman.org>

On Sun, Jan 21, 2001 at 01:02:45PM -0600, Michael Hicks wrote:
> Dave Sherohman wrote:
> >        -j, --bzip2
> >               filter  archive  through  bzip2,  use to decompress
> >               .bz2 files
> 
> -j?
> 
> Hmm..  Now that makes three things I've seen for bz2 files:  `tar yxvf'
> `tar Ixvf' `tar jxvf'

Yeah, that was my reaction, too - I expected to find -I, but I guess Debian's
tar has changed it (relatively) recently.  According to tar --help:

  -T, -I, --files-from=NAME    get names to extract or create from file NAME

(tar --version identifies itself as "tar (GNU tar) 1.13.18".)

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From dkleist at acm.org  Sun Jan 21 13:44:05 2001
From: dkleist at acm.org (Dave Kleist)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:56 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Debian potato source - recompiling a kernel
In-Reply-To: <20010121131546.D19210@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Sun, Jan 21, 2001 at 13:15:46 -0600
References: <20010121124629.A1273@coder> <20010121125207.B19210@sherohman.org> <3A6B3255.87533BB6@tc.umn.edu> <20010121131546.D19210@sherohman.org>
Message-ID: <20010121134405.C1273@coder>

That's why the advice "man tar" was appropriate.  I'm tar 1.13.17 and
it's still -I.

Thanks everyone.

          - Dave


> > Hmm..  Now that makes three things I've seen for bz2 files:  `tar
> yxvf'
> > `tar Ixvf' `tar jxvf'
> 
> Yeah, that was my reaction, too - I expected to find -I, but I guess
> Debian's
> tar has changed it (relatively) recently.  According to tar --help:
> 
>   -T, -I, --files-from=NAME    get names to extract or create from
> file NAME
> 
> (tar --version identifies itself as "tar (GNU tar) 1.13.18".)
> 
> -- 
> SGI products are used to create the 'Bugs' that entertain us in
> theatres
> and at home. - SGI job posting
> Geek Code 3.1:  GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++)
> N+ o+
> !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r
> y+
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> 

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              - Ambrose Bierce


From seg at haxxed.com  Sun Jan 21 13:59:10 2001
From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:56 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Transfer Appleworks files to PC?
Message-ID: <3A6B3F8E.4090102@haxxed.com>

Somewhat off topic, but does anyone out there have the ability to copy 
Apple II Appleworks wordproccessor documents on 5.25" disks to PC? I 
tried doing it using my IIc and a serial connection a while back, but 
its the revision A IIc with the flakey serial port, it sorta worked at 
300bps, but then the other problem is it didn't have enough RAM to print 
certain documents. :P

What I was thinking is find a IIgs with 5.25 and 3.5 disks, and just 
copy to 3.5, then read the 3.5" on a mac... Or maybe an LC with the 
Apple II card...

You know what, I wonder if the library still has that IIgs available for 
public use...


From jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us  Sun Jan 21 16:47:29 2001
From: jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us (Jim Kaufman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:56 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] ARP stuff
In-Reply-To: <200101210310.VAA31780@antares.cloudnet.com>; from lxy@antares.cloudnet.com on Sat, Jan 20, 2001 at 09:10:29PM -0600
References: <200101210310.VAA31780@antares.cloudnet.com>
Message-ID: <20010121164729.B9202@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us>

You can clear an individual entry by using arp -d hostname.

On Sat, Jan 20, 2001 at 09:10:29PM -0600, Brian wrote:
> Is there any way to flush the ARP table on a linux box?  I changed out the
> router for a network and the ARP table wouldn't update.  I finally did an
> arp -s hostname MACaddress to fix it but why can't I just flush it?  I
> tried echo'ing a bunch of crap to /proc/net/arp and it didn't do anything.
> Any ideas?
> 
> -Brian
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From andyzib at ringworld.org  Sun Jan 21 17:33:28 2001
From: andyzib at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby))
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:57 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Debian potato source - recompiling a kernel
References: <20010121124629.A1273@coder> <20010121125207.B19210@sherohman.org> <3A6B3255.87533BB6@tc.umn.edu> <20010121131546.D19210@sherohman.org> <20010121134405.C1273@coder>
Message-ID: <3A6B71C8.5648F486@ringworld.org>

Yes, I think the switch comes from tar on solaris using I for something else
(no clue why things moved from y to I though...)

Potato's (v2.2) tar still uses I, woody (testing) and sid (v2.3, unstable)
have moved to j. I belive debian packagers are now required to use --bzip2,
--gzip, --ungzip, --compress, and --uncompress instead of using the single
letter switches. 

I'm assuming that you grabbed your kernel source with apt or dselect. As
2.2.18 is officially released now, you probally want to grab that kernel
from ftp.us.kernel.org instead of the pre21 kernel. Even though it isn't a
debian-ized package, kernel package will still be able to make a kernel
package, no problem. 

You may want to use the settings the kernel package maintainer used to
compile your original kernel as a base for your new kernel. The config file
is at 
/boot/config-2.2.18pre21, simply cp /boot/config-2.2.18pre21
/usr/src/linux/.config and make menuconfig (or make xconfig) and custimize
to your liking. 

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From austad at marketwatch.com  Sun Jan 21 21:28:56 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:57 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] tvcard and DGA
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1092F5@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

Anyone know why DGA is disabled by default on X4?

I bought a $39 Hauppage WinTV Go card and couldn't get the picture to show
up.  It works now that I commented out the line in XF86Config-4 that
disabled DGA.

Does anyone know of any better TV programs than kwintv?  

Jay

From jethro at freakzilla.com  Sun Jan 21 22:15:19 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:57 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] tvcard and DGA
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1092F5@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0101212200480.18918-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>

  Hi,

On Sun, 21 Jan 2001, Austad, Jay wrote:

> Does anyone know of any better TV programs than kwintv?

I use XawTV. I'm trying to build kwintv now to see how it compares. I hope
it liked whatever the heck version of kde it thinks I have installed...

Hmm. Looks like it's using Overlay and won't let me switch to GrabDisplay.
Which doesn't work at all. Try XawTV (:

-Yaron

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From dieman at ringworld.org  Sun Jan 21 22:17:10 2001
From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:57 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] tvcard and DGA
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1092F5@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Sun, Jan 21, 2001 at 09:28:56PM -0600
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1092F5@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <20010121221710.C16107@ringworld.org>

* Austad, Jay <austad@marketwatch.com> [010121 21:30]:
> I bought a $39 Hauppage WinTV Go card and couldn't get the picture to show
> up.  It works now that I commented out the line in XF86Config-4 that
> disabled DGA.

xawtv rocks. :)

I also am not loading dga right now it seems.  Dont know why.  But
everything works. weird.  I shall enable dga and check

-- 
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From austad at marketwatch.com  Sun Jan 21 22:36:08 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:57 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] tvcard and DGA
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1092F6@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

I just tried overlay vs. GrabDisplay and overlay only takes about 2-4% cpu,
grabdisplay takes about 12% and the quality isn't quite as good.  Although,
with overlay in xawtv, there is one line of crap towards the top of the
picture.  It's not that noticable, but it annoys me.

Does xawtv have auto channel discovery?  I can't find it.

Jay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Dier [mailto:dieman@ringworld.org]
> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001 10:17 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] tvcard and DGA
> 
> 
> * Austad, Jay <austad@marketwatch.com> [010121 21:30]:
> > I bought a $39 Hauppage WinTV Go card and couldn't get the 
> picture to show
> > up.  It works now that I commented out the line in XF86Config-4 that
> > disabled DGA.
> 
> xawtv rocks. :)
> 
> I also am not loading dga right now it seems.  Dont know why.  But
> everything works. weird.  I shall enable dga and check
> 
> -- 
> Scott Dier <dieman@ringworld.org> <sdier@debian.org>
> http://www.ringworld.org/  #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net
> 
> "Kupo, kupkup, kupopo...  Po... Kupo!?  KUPOPO!!!
> 	<Chomp chomp> Kupooo."
> 		-Moguta (FFIX)
> 

From austad at marketwatch.com  Mon Jan 22 00:02:49 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:57 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] tvcard and DGA
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1092F7@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

Ok, I just got my .xawtv file written.  62 channels and I can view the
security camera in the lobby of my building from my desktop.  :)

KwinTV isn't nearly as good as xawtv.  Has anyone gotten rootv to work?  It
comes with xawtv and allows your TV to play in your root window.  I can't
find anything for documentation on it.

Jay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Austad, Jay 
> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001 10:36 PM
> To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'
> Subject: RE: [TCLUG] tvcard and DGA
> 
> 
> I just tried overlay vs. GrabDisplay and overlay only takes 
> about 2-4% cpu,
> grabdisplay takes about 12% and the quality isn't quite as 
> good.  Although,
> with overlay in xawtv, there is one line of crap towards the 
> top of the
> picture.  It's not that noticable, but it annoys me.
> 
> Does xawtv have auto channel discovery?  I can't find it.
> 
> Jay
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Scott Dier [mailto:dieman@ringworld.org]
> > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001 10:17 PM
> > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] tvcard and DGA
> > 
> > 
> > * Austad, Jay <austad@marketwatch.com> [010121 21:30]:
> > > I bought a $39 Hauppage WinTV Go card and couldn't get the 
> > picture to show
> > > up.  It works now that I commented out the line in 
> XF86Config-4 that
> > > disabled DGA.
> > 
> > xawtv rocks. :)
> > 
> > I also am not loading dga right now it seems.  Dont know why.  But
> > everything works. weird.  I shall enable dga and check
> > 
> > -- 
> > Scott Dier <dieman@ringworld.org> <sdier@debian.org>
> > http://www.ringworld.org/  #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net
> > 
> > "Kupo, kupkup, kupopo...  Po... Kupo!?  KUPOPO!!!
> > 	<Chomp chomp> Kupooo."
> > 		-Moguta (FFIX)
> > 
> _______________________________________________
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> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From lxy at cloudnet.com  Mon Jan 22 09:13:32 2001
From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:57 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] ARP stuff
In-Reply-To: <20010121164729.B9202@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10101220911320.2915-100000@antares.cloudnet.com>

On Sun, 21 Jan 2001, Jim Kaufman wrote:

> You can clear an individual entry by using arp -d hostname.

That's what I thought, but that didn't work either.   I tried arp -d
name.of.router and it still didn't delete it.  The only thing I could do
was manually change the MAC address.  There has GOT to be a way to flush
and rebuild the table.

-Brian


From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu  Mon Jan 22 13:37:37 2001
From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:57 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Transfer Appleworks files to PC?
In-Reply-To: <3A6B3F8E.4090102@haxxed.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0101221335300.8972-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>

On Sun, 21 Jan 2001, Callum Lerwick wrote:

> Somewhat off topic, but does anyone out there have the ability to copy 
> Apple II Appleworks wordproccessor documents on 5.25" disks to PC? I 
> tried doing it using my IIc and a serial connection a while back, but 
> its the revision A IIc with the flakey serial port, it sorta worked at 
> 300bps, but then the other problem is it didn't have enough RAM to print 
> certain documents. :P

I think (since there's a Linux Apple ][ emulator) that anyone who has a
machine with a 5.25" floppy could.  Or maybe just dd it.  How many disks
are you talking about?  I've got such a drive.

Phil M

-- 
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From kelly.black at testquest.com  Mon Jan 22 14:45:23 2001
From: kelly.black at testquest.com (Kelly Black)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:57 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Transfer Appleworks files to PC?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0101221335300.8972-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>; from mend0070@tc.umn.edu on Mon, Jan 22, 2001 at 01:37:37PM -0600
References: <3A6B3F8E.4090102@haxxed.com> <Pine.SOL.4.20.0101221335300.8972-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <20010122144523.L17971@testquest.com>

Hmmm... I think the old Apple II disks (5 1/4) are in a different encoding format.  You would probably need the real hardware and then a super-serial card to dump it out serially to another box.

Kelly Black

On Mon, Jan 22, 2001 at 01:37:37PM -0600, Philip C Mendelsohn wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Jan 2001, Callum Lerwick wrote:
> 
> > Somewhat off topic, but does anyone out there have the ability to copy 
> > Apple II Appleworks wordproccessor documents on 5.25" disks to PC? I 
> > tried doing it using my IIc and a serial connection a while back, but 
> > its the revision A IIc with the flakey serial port, it sorta worked at 
> > 300bps, but then the other problem is it didn't have enough RAM to print 
> > certain documents. :P
> 
> I think (since there's a Linux Apple ][ emulator) that anyone who has a
> machine with a 5.25" floppy could.  Or maybe just dd it.  How many disks
> are you talking about?  I've got such a drive.
> 
> Phil M
> 
> -- 
> "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous
> 

From austad at marketwatch.com  Mon Jan 22 18:47:16 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:57 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] compiling jpeg support into PHP 4
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109311@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

For some stupid reason, PHP that comes bundled with Mandrake 7.2 doesn't
have jpeg support.  I tried compiling it in, I recompiled GD with support
for it, and installed it.  Now I have to recompile PHP for it.  There is an
option "--with-jpeg-dir=<some directory>".  What do I use for this?  Here's
where all of the stuff from libjpeg-6b is installed:

/usr/include/jconfig.h
/usr/include/jerror.h
/usr/include/jmorecfg.h
/usr/include/jpeglib.h
/usr/lib/libjpeg.a
/usr/lib/libjpeg.la
/usr/lib/libjpeg.so
/usr/bin/cjpeg
/usr/bin/djpeg
/usr/bin/jpegtran
/usr/bin/rdjpgcom
/usr/bin/wrjpgcom
/usr/lib/libjpeg.so.62.0.0
/usr/share/man/man1/cjpeg.1.bz2
/usr/share/man/man1/djpeg.1.bz2
/usr/share/man/man1/jpegtran.1.bz2
/usr/share/man/man1/rdjpgcom.1.bz2
/usr/share/man/man1/wrjpgcom.1.bz2


Examples that I have seen use /usr/local, but none of my stuff is in
/usr/local, since it needs this stuff at compile time, I can put just
/usr/lib or /usr/include, because it needs stuff from both of them.  Has
anyone had to deal with compiling PHP with jpeg support before?

I tried using /usr, but that didn't work.



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From lxy at cloudnet.com  Mon Jan 22 11:18:52 2001
From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:57 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Default Login Screen Display
In-Reply-To: <3A6B208A.C3E3992@tc.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10101221112580.661-100000@antares.cloudnet.com>

> > Anyway, I recall reading a way to either get rid of or substitute text for
> > everything but the "<servername> login:" part of the screen.  I did not,
> > however, bookmark nor am I able to find the page again.

Sort of related to this topic, is it possible to echo cute little
colors and blinking text using escape sequences?  I always had fun with
that in DOS but I haven't tinkered with it in linux.  I think it'd be a
cool addition to my login screen since there will be some non linux
friendly users on my web server.

-Brian


From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu  Mon Jan 22 15:59:35 2001
From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:57 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] compaq server w/scsi for sale!
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0101221335300.8972-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.96.1010122152551.22943A-100000@tyr.med.umn.edu>

I freind of mine requested that I post this.  She has compaq server that
she picked up because it had a nice monitor with it.  I built her a p200
so she has no use for the p60.  It's only a p60, but the sucker has 80
megs of ram, 72 pin sims,  and a scsi II controler on board.  I could
throw in a couple of hard disks and maybe a cdrom.  
While I'm on the topic I have several other machines stacked here. There's
a IBM P90 with 1gig and 32megs, a 486 with a kingston pentium 133
overdrive chip, and a 486 with an intel p120 overdrive chip.  I have other
misc parts as well.  If you are interested give me a call at 612 623 9806

Thanks,
Colin Kilbane


From veldy at veldy.net  Tue Jan 23 08:24:13 2001
From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:57 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] compiling jpeg support into PHP 4
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109311@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <008601c08548$2944d410$3028680a@tgt.com>

Try --with-jpeg   don't worry about the -dir suffix.  It has been awhile, I
am not sure if that will work.

Tom Veldhouse
veldy@veldy.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Austad, Jay" <austad@marketwatch.com>
To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 6:47 PM
Subject: [TCLUG] compiling jpeg support into PHP 4


> For some stupid reason, PHP that comes bundled with Mandrake 7.2 doesn't
> have jpeg support.  I tried compiling it in, I recompiled GD with support
> for it, and installed it.  Now I have to recompile PHP for it.  There is
an
> option "--with-jpeg-dir=<some directory>".  What do I use for this?
Here's
> where all of the stuff from libjpeg-6b is installed:
>
> /usr/include/jconfig.h
> /usr/include/jerror.h
> /usr/include/jmorecfg.h
> /usr/include/jpeglib.h
> /usr/lib/libjpeg.a
> /usr/lib/libjpeg.la
> /usr/lib/libjpeg.so
> /usr/bin/cjpeg
> /usr/bin/djpeg
> /usr/bin/jpegtran
> /usr/bin/rdjpgcom
> /usr/bin/wrjpgcom
> /usr/lib/libjpeg.so.62.0.0
> /usr/share/man/man1/cjpeg.1.bz2
> /usr/share/man/man1/djpeg.1.bz2
> /usr/share/man/man1/jpegtran.1.bz2
> /usr/share/man/man1/rdjpgcom.1.bz2
> /usr/share/man/man1/wrjpgcom.1.bz2
>
>
> Examples that I have seen use /usr/local, but none of my stuff is in
> /usr/local, since it needs this stuff at compile time, I can put just
> /usr/lib or /usr/include, because it needs stuff from both of them.  Has
> anyone had to deal with compiling PHP with jpeg support before?
>
> I tried using /usr, but that didn't work.
>
>
>
> ----------
> Jay Austad
> Network Administrator
> CBS Marketwatch
> 612.817.1271
> austad@marketwatch.com <mailto:austad@marketwatch.com>
> http://cbs.marketwatch.com
> http://www.bigcharts.com
>
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From goldman at htc.honeywell.com  Tue Jan 23 08:59:04 2001
From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:57 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] question about tar and scsi tape backups
Message-ID: <14957.39992.586303.806592@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com>

I'm having a terrible time trying to get a SCSI tape drive to work
with tar.  My problem comes with multi-file archives.  I use a command
like the following:

tar --label "mn65-zippy home backup $date" --multi-volume --listed-incremental="home-backup-list" --preserve-permissions --exclude=tape-backup-excludes -cMf /dev/st0 /home

[date is bound in this context]

tar fills the tape and then...does the wrong thing.  First it gives me
an error message about its inability to close the first tape, then
when I insert the second tape, hoping that the first error isn't
fatal, tar crashes:

[root@host]# ./home-backup
tar: Removing leading `/' from archive names
tar: WARNING: Cannot close /dev/st0 (3, -1): Input/output error
Prepare volume #2 for /dev/st0 and hit return: 
tar: Cannot write to /dev/st0: Input/output error
tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
[root@host]# 

Here's info about tar on my system:

tar --version
tar (GNU tar) 1.13.11

Copyright 1988, 92,93,94,95,96,97,98, 1999 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
This is free software; see the source for copying conditions.  There is NO
warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.

Written by John Gilmore and Jay Fenlason.


Any idea what I could do to fix or at least diagnose this problem?

Many thanks!
Robert


From thouck at thouck.com  Tue Jan 23 09:14:25 2001
From: thouck at thouck.com (thouck@thouck.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:58 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] compiling jpeg support into PHP 4
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109311@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <200101231504.HAA24743@pine.he.net>

I seem to remember either leaving it blank or using /usr/lib.

On 22 Jan, Austad, Jay had this nonsense to say:
> For some stupid reason, PHP that comes bundled with Mandrake 7.2 doesn't
> have jpeg support.  I tried compiling it in, I recompiled GD with support
> for it, and installed it.  Now I have to recompile PHP for it.  There is an
> option "--with-jpeg-dir=<some directory>".  What do I use for this?  Here's
> where all of the stuff from libjpeg-6b is installed:
> 
> - snip -
> 
> I tried using /usr, but that didn't work.
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From jasonj at talkware.net  Tue Jan 23 10:27:30 2001
From: jasonj at talkware.net (Jason Jorgensen)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:58 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] 13w3 to hd15 adapter
Message-ID: <3A6DB0F2.B0F50C43@talkware.net>

Anyone know a local vendor for 13w3 to hd15 adapters. I want to run a
HD15 SVGA monitor on an SGI box with a 13w3 connection.




From jethro at freakzilla.com  Tue Jan 23 11:48:26 2001
From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:58 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] 13w3 to hd15 adapter
In-Reply-To: <3A6DB0F2.B0F50C43@talkware.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0101231147520.22838-100000@Tiger.yaron.org>

  Hi,

On Tue, 23 Jan 2001, Jason Jorgensen wrote:

> Anyone know a local vendor for 13w3 to hd15 adapters. I want to run a
> HD15 SVGA monitor on an SGI box with a 13w3 connection.

ACME or ABC Electronics might have one... maybe that new plce
(Microcenter?). You can always find them on ebay.


-Yaron

--


From austad at marketwatch.com  Tue Jan 23 16:17:43 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:58 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] php files without an extension
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10932D@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

Say I have a file called generator.php.  To hit this and pass arguments to
it, the URL looks something like:
http://www.something.com/generator.php?file=something.txt

I want to rename generator.php to just "generator" and have apache parse it
as a PHP file.  So when I hit it, it will look something like:
http://www.something.com/generator?file=something.txt

The reason being, I'm trying to replace a badly written CGI with this nice
graceful PHP script, but there are too many links to change other places to
have the URL be different.

Jay  

From natecars at real-time.com  Tue Jan 23 16:42:14 2001
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:58 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] php files without an extension
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10932D@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0101231640470.27560-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Tue, 23 Jan 2001, Austad, Jay wrote:
> Say I have a file called generator.php.  To hit this and pass arguments to
> it, the URL looks something like:
> http://www.something.com/generator.php?file=something.txt
>
> I want to rename generator.php to just "generator" and have apache parse it
> as a PHP file.  So when I hit it, it will look something like:
> http://www.something.com/generator?file=something.txt
>
> The reason being, I'm trying to replace a badly written CGI with this nice
> graceful PHP script, but there are too many links to change other places to
> have the URL be different.

Not sure how to do that, but could you set up the web server with a
redirect to make that work?

eg..

Redirect /generator /generator.php

..just throwing out ideas.  :)

-- 
Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500



From esper at sherohman.org  Tue Jan 23 16:57:08 2001
From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:58 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] PS to HTML?
Message-ID: <20010123165708.G5716@sherohman.org>

Anyone know where I can find a decent PostScript-to-HTML convertor?  I've
turned up some ps-to-ascii and html-to-ps utils, but that's as close as
I've gotten so far.

-- 
SGI products are used to create the 'Bugs' that entertain us in theatres
and at home. - SGI job posting
Geek Code 3.1:  GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+
!K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+

From austad at marketwatch.com  Tue Jan 23 16:59:04 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:58 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] php files without an extension
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10932F@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

Nope, can't use a redirect.  It's not a web browser that hits this URL
usually, it's another piece of software and it doesn't know what to do with
a redirect.



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nate Carlson [mailto:natecars@real-time.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 4:42 PM
> To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] php files without an extension
> 
> 
> On Tue, 23 Jan 2001, Austad, Jay wrote:
> > Say I have a file called generator.php.  To hit this and 
> pass arguments to
> > it, the URL looks something like:
> > http://www.something.com/generator.php?file=something.txt
> >
> > I want to rename generator.php to just "generator" and have 
> apache parse it
> > as a PHP file.  So when I hit it, it will look something like:
> > http://www.something.com/generator?file=something.txt
> >
> > The reason being, I'm trying to replace a badly written CGI 
> with this nice
> > graceful PHP script, but there are too many links to change 
> other places to
> > have the URL be different.
> 
> Not sure how to do that, but could you set up the web server with a
> redirect to make that work?
> 
> eg..
> 
> Redirect /generator /generator.php
> 
> ..just throwing out ideas.  :)
> 
> -- 
> Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
> http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

From austad at marketwatch.com  Tue Jan 23 17:33:26 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:58 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] proftpd patch for passive mode
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109332@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

Anyone know where I can find the patch for proftpd 1.2.0rc2 that fixed
passive mode ftp?  I upgraded one of my servers to it, and now some of our
people who need passive mode are SOL.  

I searched around for the patch, but I can't seem to find it.  The only
thing I can find is the CVS version, and I don't think I want to be running
the CVS version on this particular server.



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Austad, Jay 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 4:59 PM
> To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'
> Subject: RE: [TCLUG] php files without an extension
> 
> 
> Nope, can't use a redirect.  It's not a web browser that hits this URL
> usually, it's another piece of software and it doesn't know 
> what to do with
> a redirect.
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Nate Carlson [mailto:natecars@real-time.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 4:42 PM
> > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'
> > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] php files without an extension
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, 23 Jan 2001, Austad, Jay wrote:
> > > Say I have a file called generator.php.  To hit this and 
> > pass arguments to
> > > it, the URL looks something like:
> > > http://www.something.com/generator.php?file=something.txt
> > >
> > > I want to rename generator.php to just "generator" and have 
> > apache parse it
> > > as a PHP file.  So when I hit it, it will look something like:
> > > http://www.something.com/generator?file=something.txt
> > >
> > > The reason being, I'm trying to replace a badly written CGI 
> > with this nice
> > > graceful PHP script, but there are too many links to change 
> > other places to
> > > have the URL be different.
> > 
> > Not sure how to do that, but could you set up the web server with a
> > redirect to make that work?
> > 
> > eg..
> > 
> > Redirect /generator /generator.php
> > 
> > ..just throwing out ideas.  :)
> > 
> > -- 
> > Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
> > http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > tclug-list mailing list
> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > 
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> 

From veldy at veldy.net  Tue Jan 23 19:09:22 2001
From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:58 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] proftpd patch for passive mode
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109332@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <LMEDLCFILJIKIPANCJAOOEAKCAAA.veldy@veldy.net>

Why can't they just type "pass" or send the command via their ftp client?
It works on my servers running rc2.

Tom Veldhouse
veldy@veldy.net

-----Original Message-----
From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org
[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Austad, Jay
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 5:33 PM
To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'
Subject: [TCLUG] proftpd patch for passive mode


Anyone know where I can find the patch for proftpd 1.2.0rc2 that fixed
passive mode ftp?  I upgraded one of my servers to it, and now some of our
people who need passive mode are SOL.

I searched around for the patch, but I can't seem to find it.  The only
thing I can find is the CVS version, and I don't think I want to be running
the CVS version on this particular server.



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Austad, Jay
> Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 4:59 PM
> To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'
> Subject: RE: [TCLUG] php files without an extension
>
>
> Nope, can't use a redirect.  It's not a web browser that hits this URL
> usually, it's another piece of software and it doesn't know
> what to do with
> a redirect.
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Nate Carlson [mailto:natecars@real-time.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 4:42 PM
> > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'
> > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] php files without an extension
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 23 Jan 2001, Austad, Jay wrote:
> > > Say I have a file called generator.php.  To hit this and
> > pass arguments to
> > > it, the URL looks something like:
> > > http://www.something.com/generator.php?file=something.txt
> > >
> > > I want to rename generator.php to just "generator" and have
> > apache parse it
> > > as a PHP file.  So when I hit it, it will look something like:
> > > http://www.something.com/generator?file=something.txt
> > >
> > > The reason being, I'm trying to replace a badly written CGI
> > with this nice
> > > graceful PHP script, but there are too many links to change
> > other places to
> > > have the URL be different.
> >
> > Not sure how to do that, but could you set up the web server with a
> > redirect to make that work?
> >
> > eg..
> >
> > Redirect /generator /generator.php
> >
> > ..just throwing out ideas.  :)
> >
> > --
> > Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
> > http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > tclug-list mailing list
> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
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>
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From veldy at veldy.net  Tue Jan 23 19:16:17 2001
From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:58 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] proftpd patch for passive mode
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109332@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <000e01c085a3$40a061f0$1d750140@cascade>

My Bad.  I guess it doesn't.  Sorry to mislead you.  You already must have
known I was wrong :)

Tom

----- Original Message -----
From: "Austad, Jay" <austad@marketwatch.com>
To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 5:33 PM
Subject: [TCLUG] proftpd patch for passive mode


> Anyone know where I can find the patch for proftpd 1.2.0rc2 that fixed
> passive mode ftp?  I upgraded one of my servers to it, and now some of our
> people who need passive mode are SOL.
>
> I searched around for the patch, but I can't seem to find it.  The only
> thing I can find is the CVS version, and I don't think I want to be
running
> the CVS version on this particular server.
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Austad, Jay
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 4:59 PM
> > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'
> > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] php files without an extension
> >
> >
> > Nope, can't use a redirect.  It's not a web browser that hits this URL
> > usually, it's another piece of software and it doesn't know
> > what to do with
> > a redirect.
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Nate Carlson [mailto:natecars@real-time.com]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 4:42 PM
> > > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'
> > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] php files without an extension
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, 23 Jan 2001, Austad, Jay wrote:
> > > > Say I have a file called generator.php.  To hit this and
> > > pass arguments to
> > > > it, the URL looks something like:
> > > > http://www.something.com/generator.php?file=something.txt
> > > >
> > > > I want to rename generator.php to just "generator" and have
> > > apache parse it
> > > > as a PHP file.  So when I hit it, it will look something like:
> > > > http://www.something.com/generator?file=something.txt
> > > >
> > > > The reason being, I'm trying to replace a badly written CGI
> > > with this nice
> > > > graceful PHP script, but there are too many links to change
> > > other places to
> > > > have the URL be different.
> > >
> > > Not sure how to do that, but could you set up the web server with a
> > > redirect to make that work?
> > >
> > > eg..
> > >
> > > Redirect /generator /generator.php
> > >
> > > ..just throwing out ideas.  :)
> > >
> > > --
> > > Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
> > > http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > tclug-list mailing list
> > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > tclug-list mailing list
> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
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From jcook at k-lug.com  Tue Jan 23 18:37:43 2001
From: jcook at k-lug.com (Cook, Justin S.)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:58 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] php files without an extension
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10932F@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <002001c0859d$e2f2da60$b815020a@winona.msus.edu>

tried using the she-bang thing like in perl/python? I thought that was
supposed to work.

#!/usr/bin/env python

that works for python, not sure what you'd use for php tho, you'd want to go
to your php executable. Im not anywhere near a web server, so im not sure if
it actually works.

Justin Cook
mailto:jsc@themes.org

----- Original Message -----
From: Austad, Jay <austad@marketwatch.com>
To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 4:59 PM
Subject: RE: [TCLUG] php files without an extension


> Nope, can't use a redirect.  It's not a web browser that hits this URL
> usually, it's another piece of software and it doesn't know what to do
with
> a redirect.
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Nate Carlson [mailto:natecars@real-time.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 4:42 PM
> > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'
> > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] php files without an extension
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 23 Jan 2001, Austad, Jay wrote:
> > > Say I have a file called generator.php.  To hit this and
> > pass arguments to
> > > it, the URL looks something like:
> > > http://www.something.com/generator.php?file=something.txt
> > >
> > > I want to rename generator.php to just "generator" and have
> > apache parse it
> > > as a PHP file.  So when I hit it, it will look something like:
> > > http://www.something.com/generator?file=something.txt
> > >
> > > The reason being, I'm trying to replace a badly written CGI
> > with this nice
> > > graceful PHP script, but there are too many links to change
> > other places to
> > > have the URL be different.
> >
> > Not sure how to do that, but could you set up the web server with a
> > redirect to make that work?
> >
> > eg..
> >
> > Redirect /generator /generator.php
> >
> > ..just throwing out ideas.  :)
> >
> > --
> > Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
> > http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > tclug-list mailing list
> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> _______________________________________________
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From austad at marketwatch.com  Tue Jan 23 20:33:46 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:58 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] proftpd patch for passive mode
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109338@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

Passive mode is hosed in rc2.  The people who need to use this are
journalists, typing anything which comes even remotely close to an ftp
command is incomprehensible to them.  They have a pretty GUI interface one
that runs under windows and getting some of them to click on "Advanced
properties" to disable passive mode transfers was harder than explaining
quantum physics to a retarded monkey.

I need to get it patched or I'll be up all night with phonecalls explaining
to them how to disable passive mode on their client.  >:(



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Thomas T. Veldhouse [mailto:veldy@veldy.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 7:16 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] proftpd patch for passive mode
> 
> 
> My Bad.  I guess it doesn't.  Sorry to mislead you.  You 
> already must have
> known I was wrong :)
> 
> Tom
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Austad, Jay" <austad@marketwatch.com>
> To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 5:33 PM
> Subject: [TCLUG] proftpd patch for passive mode
> 
> 
> > Anyone know where I can find the patch for proftpd 1.2.0rc2 
> that fixed
> > passive mode ftp?  I upgraded one of my servers to it, and 
> now some of our
> > people who need passive mode are SOL.
> >
> > I searched around for the patch, but I can't seem to find 
> it.  The only
> > thing I can find is the CVS version, and I don't think I want to be
> running
> > the CVS version on this particular server.
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Austad, Jay
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 4:59 PM
> > > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'
> > > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] php files without an extension
> > >
> > >
> > > Nope, can't use a redirect.  It's not a web browser that 
> hits this URL
> > > usually, it's another piece of software and it doesn't know
> > > what to do with
> > > a redirect.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Nate Carlson [mailto:natecars@real-time.com]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 4:42 PM
> > > > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'
> > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] php files without an extension
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, 23 Jan 2001, Austad, Jay wrote:
> > > > > Say I have a file called generator.php.  To hit this and
> > > > pass arguments to
> > > > > it, the URL looks something like:
> > > > > http://www.something.com/generator.php?file=something.txt
> > > > >
> > > > > I want to rename generator.php to just "generator" and have
> > > > apache parse it
> > > > > as a PHP file.  So when I hit it, it will look something like:
> > > > > http://www.something.com/generator?file=something.txt
> > > > >
> > > > > The reason being, I'm trying to replace a badly written CGI
> > > > with this nice
> > > > > graceful PHP script, but there are too many links to change
> > > > other places to
> > > > > have the URL be different.
> > > >
> > > > Not sure how to do that, but could you set up the web 
> server with a
> > > > redirect to make that work?
> > > >
> > > > eg..
> > > >
> > > > Redirect /generator /generator.php
> > > >
> > > > ..just throwing out ideas.  :)
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
> > > > http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > tclug-list mailing list
> > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > >
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> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> 
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From austad at marketwatch.com  Tue Jan 23 20:34:59 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:59 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] php files without an extension
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109339@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

I run php as a module, not as a cgi.  I guess I could modify it, but I'd
like to keep it as a module since it's on fairly high traffic servers.

Jay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cook, Justin S. [mailto:jcook@k-lug.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 6:38 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] php files without an extension
> 
> 
> tried using the she-bang thing like in perl/python? I thought that was
> supposed to work.
> 
> #!/usr/bin/env python
> 
> that works for python, not sure what you'd use for php tho, 
> you'd want to go
> to your php executable. Im not anywhere near a web server, so 
> im not sure if
> it actually works.
> 
> Justin Cook
> mailto:jsc@themes.org
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Austad, Jay <austad@marketwatch.com>
> To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 4:59 PM
> Subject: RE: [TCLUG] php files without an extension
> 
> 
> > Nope, can't use a redirect.  It's not a web browser that 
> hits this URL
> > usually, it's another piece of software and it doesn't know 
> what to do
> with
> > a redirect.
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Nate Carlson [mailto:natecars@real-time.com]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 4:42 PM
> > > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'
> > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] php files without an extension
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, 23 Jan 2001, Austad, Jay wrote:
> > > > Say I have a file called generator.php.  To hit this and
> > > pass arguments to
> > > > it, the URL looks something like:
> > > > http://www.something.com/generator.php?file=something.txt
> > > >
> > > > I want to rename generator.php to just "generator" and have
> > > apache parse it
> > > > as a PHP file.  So when I hit it, it will look something like:
> > > > http://www.something.com/generator?file=something.txt
> > > >
> > > > The reason being, I'm trying to replace a badly written CGI
> > > with this nice
> > > > graceful PHP script, but there are too many links to change
> > > other places to
> > > > have the URL be different.
> > >
> > > Not sure how to do that, but could you set up the web 
> server with a
> > > redirect to make that work?
> > >
> > > eg..
> > >
> > > Redirect /generator /generator.php
> > >
> > > ..just throwing out ideas.  :)
> > >
> > > --
> > > Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
> > > http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > tclug-list mailing list
> > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > tclug-list mailing list
> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
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> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

From ben at nerp.net  Tue Jan 23 12:19:30 2001
From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:59 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] 13w3 to hd15 adapter
In-Reply-To: <3A6DB0F2.B0F50C43@talkware.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0101231219170.6380-100000@chef>

dexis, in eden paraire

Thank You,
        Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net)

 "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends."

On Tue, 23 Jan 2001, Jason Jorgensen wrote:

> Anyone know a local vendor for 13w3 to hd15 adapters. I want to run a
> HD15 SVGA monitor on an SGI box with a 13w3 connection.
>
>
>
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From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu  Tue Jan 23 21:07:40 2001
From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:59 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Linux (etc) and fun video stuff.
Message-ID: <3A6E46FC.6371CEFE@tc.umn.edu>

Hi all,

I thought I'd take a little time to write down some recent thoughts of
mine regarding the state of graphics (2D, 3D, and video) in Linux.  I'm
by no means an expert on the subject, though I have been dipping my toes
in things here and there.  Hopefully, this will get people talking,
especially if I said something wrong ;-)

For a long time, I've been frustrated with the levels of development in
many areas.  Fortunately, I think things are making a big turnaround,
thanks to some relatively new developments in the graphics arena. 
Anyway, like I said, I'm not an expert, but I thougt it would be good to
try and figure out the current state of some of this stuff, as well as
where it's all going.

Many of us have taken the time to play with XFree86 4.0.  I know that I
tried out a 3.9 release last spring, though I didn't get a chance to
play with many of the newer features until just recently.  Sometimes,
this is just because programs don't support them yet.  (Some of these
features I'll mention have been available on commercial X servers for a
while, but I don't know of many people who use those..)

Probably one of the most anticipated features of X 4.0 was the addition
of Xinerama.  Xinerama added the long-missing feature of multi-display
support.  Considering that MacOS had this ability eons ago, we're just
catching up.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I get very hung up on making
sure that things are displayed in the way that they should be
displayed.  X has given me many headaches in this area, but fixes are
still coming in.  One thing that excited me about X 4.0 was the expanded
support for gamma correction.  Unfortunately, I know that not all cards
are able to do this.  I have an old Trio64-based card at work (that I
really should get rid of, but that's another story) that apparently
doesn't support gamma correction.  My G400 at home, on the other hand,
does support gamma correction.  While I can't say that it makes
everything suddenly display perfectly, I will say that it definitely
improves the viewability of newly scanned images.  Many of you have
probably been disappointed by scanned images that appear very dark.  For
me, it turned out that they had been scanned just fine -- the problem
was just that my monitor was not displaying them correctly.  If you've
come across similar problems, I encourage you to check the `-gamma' flag
for X.  (This may be one area where the free Unixes have pulled ahead of
other OSes).

For the gamers in the crowd, the biggest addition is probably the
combination of DRI (Direct Rendering Infrastructure) and an integrated
OpenGL implementation.  DRI has been one of the `big things' that I've
been peeking at every so often over the last year.  In cooperation with
a kernel module (the Direct Rendering Manager), DRI allows programs to
communicate much more freely with the 3D acceleration hardware on modern
machines, while still integrating the security that we expect from
Unix-like systems.  Previously, it was difficult to get high speed
graphics while also allowing normal users (not root) to play the fun
games that are out there today..

An emerging area of entertainment via the computer is the playback of
movies, both from online sources and from local media like DVDs.  One
important component in modern video playback on computers is the YUV
overlay.  YUV overlay has two big parts to it.  The first is that it
converts source video encoded in Luminance and Chrominance into video
consisting of Red, Green, and Blue.  The second part involves scaling
the image (this is also called BES, for Back-End Scaler) to a desired
size.  This allows video window to be maximized to the whole screen
without any extra strain getting placed on the CPU.  Many of the Open
Source video players out there have already implemented YUV overlay, and
I believe that the newer releases of SDL (Simple DirectMedia Layer, made
by Loki, and used in lots of stuff) support it.  Who knows when other
companies like Real will start using it.  The overlay system is also
what allows cards such as the G400 to display video fullscreen on the
second head (which is often hooked up to a TV).  Hopefully the necessary
tweaks to get that to work will be discovered shortly..

Another kind of overlay (I'm not sure if it's related to YUV overlay or
not) is the ability of X 4.0 to accept connections from programs that
need to run at 8 bits per pixel (PseudoColor), while the rest of your
desktop is running at a much higher bit depth (probably 24 or 32 bits). 
This usually occurs within business environments where you have to run a
piece of commercial software that was never rewritten with the ability
to handle higher bit depths.  Most people won't need it, but this is
another area where Linux et al are again on par with commercial X
servers.

One of the most recent advancements in the Linux desktop is the addition
of the XRender extension.  XRender allows for much better display of
fonts and line graphics.  It supports anti-aliasing (or something
similar, I'm not exactly sure), and even supports something similar to
Microsoft (not quite sure it's an invention or not) ClearType, which
improves readability on LCD panels by individually accessing the RGB
segments of a pixel.  Support for XRender is very limited right now,
though many people in the KDE/Qt and Gnome/Gtk+ camps are actively
trying to add support.

Just a few days ago, I heard about a new graphics library created by
Raster (one of the original developers of Enlightenment) called EVAS. 
I'm not sure what the name stands for (if anything), but if the buzz
around it is correct, EVAS could drastically change the way we use our
desktops.  From what I understand, EVAS is an attempt to much more fully
utilize the features of modern graphics cards.  The end result of EVAS
is probably going to be very similar to what Enlightenment did for the
desktop -- much more eye candy.  The good thing about EVAS is that it is
*fast*.  Hardware acceleration can do wonders.  Hopefully, the rumors
are true...


-- 
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/ \/ \(_)| ' // ._\  / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__   Enlightenment Available  
\_||_/|_||_|_\\___/  \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __)  -- Enquire Within. 
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From kethry at winternet.com  Tue Jan 23 21:33:36 2001
From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:59 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Question about accessibility features
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10101232130350.28429-100000@tundra.winternet.com>

Hi all - I've recently run into several conversation in various arenas
about accessibility features for linux (ie., not just what's available in
standard distros, but also ones that really need to be worked on) - has
anyone dealth much with accessibility issues (ie., accessibility with
regards to the blind, etc.). This is something that I'm going to start
actively research as well, but wanted to pick the brains of those here at
the same time.

Thanks, 
Liz Burke-Scovill

-- 
Imagination is intelligence having fun...
e-mail:  kethry@winternet.com
URL:  http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html


From djx at mediaone.net  Tue Jan 23 21:54:25 2001
From: djx at mediaone.net (d.j. callais)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:59 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] ATT Broadband
Message-ID: <3A6E51F1.5AD5FCAA@mediaone.net>

This question may or may not have been answered before. I recently got a
cable modem courtesy of AT&T (mediaone). When I try to connect with my
RH 7.0 box i keep getting the error timed out waiting for a valid DHCP
server response. I have researched this online and have come up with the
advice that dhcpcd needs the -h option with a mysterious hostname i.e
Cxxxxxx-a, which the AT&T helpless desk  knows nothing about. I would
really like some help on this before I go insane. Thank you in advance.

D.J. Callais
djx@mediaone.net

P.S. My windoze box connects fine. Exact same NIC as the linux box.
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From: andyzib at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby))
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:59 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] php files without an extension
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0101231640470.27560-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <3A6E5A91.6A1DE3B2@ringworld.org>

Hmmm, you could possible use something along the lines of apache's x bit
hack (if you chmod the file +x, apache treats it as shtml instead of
standard html.

Second idea is set up a different directory that is all php files that and
apache treats them as php regardles of their extention (or lack there of...)

Third idea and the one most likely to work: use sed to redo all your links. 

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From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com  Tue Jan 23 16:43:38 2001
From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:59 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] php files without an extension
Message-ID: <0G7N00B3W0LZG9@mail1.supervalu.com>

You can set your DefaultType from whatever it is now (probably text/plain)
to application/x-httpd-php.  Note that this will have the effect of having 
every
file parsed by PHP, unless specified otherwise.

Nick Reinking






austad@marketwatch.com, on 01/23/2001 04:17:43 PM
To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF
cc:  
Subject: [TCLUG] php files without an extension

Say I have a file called generator.php.  To hit this and pass arguments to
it, the URL looks something like:
http://www.something.com/generator.php?file=something.txt

I want to rename generator.php to just "generator" and have apache parse it
as a PHP file.  So when I hit it, it will look something like:
http://www.something.com/generator?file=something.txt

The reason being, I'm trying to replace a badly written CGI with this nice
graceful PHP script, but there are too many links to change other places to
have the URL be different.

Jay  
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From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu  Tue Jan 23 23:52:14 2001
From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:59 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] 13w3 to hd15 adapter
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0101231219170.6380-100000@chef>
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.96.1010123235122.27228A-100000@tyr.med.umn.edu>

If you want cabling go to pimfg.com. The web site isn't very organized but
you can't beat their prices on cabling.

Colin Kilbane


From jack at jacku.com  Tue Jan 23 17:58:48 2001
From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:59 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] php files without an extension
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10932F@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10932F@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <01012317584800.01124@geezer>

If you're using Apache, what about mod_rewrite? There's a whole guide to 
doing URL rewrites on the Apache site called (oddly enough :-) "Apache 1.3 
URL Rewriting Guide". I have a somewhat crusty print out sitting here with 
the following URL:  http://www.apache.org/docs/misc/rewriteguide.html

I don't know that it'll do what you want but I think it will.

Jack

On Tuesday 23 January 2001 16:59, Austad, Jay wrote:
> Nope, can't use a redirect.  It's not a web browser that hits this URL
> usually, it's another piece of software and it doesn't know what to do with
> a redirect.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Nate Carlson [mailto:natecars@real-time.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 4:42 PM
> > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'
> > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] php files without an extension
> >
> > On Tue, 23 Jan 2001, Austad, Jay wrote:
> > > Say I have a file called generator.php.  To hit this and
> >
> > pass arguments to
> >
> > > it, the URL looks something like:
> > > http://www.something.com/generator.php?file=something.txt
> > >
> > > I want to rename generator.php to just "generator" and have
> >
> > apache parse it
> >
> > > as a PHP file.  So when I hit it, it will look something like:
> > > http://www.something.com/generator?file=something.txt
> > >
> > > The reason being, I'm trying to replace a badly written CGI
> >
> > with this nice
> >
> > > graceful PHP script, but there are too many links to change
> >
> > other places to
> >
> > > have the URL be different.
> >
> > Not sure how to do that, but could you set up the web server with a
> > redirect to make that work?
> >
> > eg..
> >
> > Redirect /generator /generator.php
> >
> > ..just throwing out ideas.  :)
> >
> > --
> > Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
> > http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > tclug-list mailing list
> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
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From JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com  Wed Jan 24 05:01:46 2001
From: JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com (Miller, John)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:14:59 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] ATT Broadband
Message-ID: <C8E57CE8F221D411A24600A0C99D90FD02A505F1@mail2.ROG.COM>

I have RH7.0 and it took me a couple of days before I got mine to connect.
First, do you have the other nic registered with AT&T.  They track the MAC
address of the cards.  If not, give them a call and tell them you want to
register it.  I was not told that there is an extra charge for it. They will
tell you that you can only use one at a time.  I have a 2 Windoze machine
that are routed through my Linux machine out to the internet.  Each NIC gets
it's own IP address.  If you want to run both I believe there is an extra
charge of about $10 that will get you two more IP addresses.
 
Rather than using dhcpcd, I used pump.  Here is a link to an article that
helped me a lot.  They even deal with cable modem.  
 
http://www.linux-mag.com/2000-05/networking_01.html
<http://www.linux-mag.com/2000-05/networking_01.html> 
 

John Miller 
Dain Rauscher Inc. 
Application Services 
IS Capital Markets 
Phone 612-547-7573 
Fax 612-547-7580 

-----Original Message-----
From: d.j. callais [mailto:djx@mediaone.net]
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 9:54 PM
To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
Subject: [TCLUG] ATT Broadband


This question may or may not have been answered before. I recently got a
cable modem courtesy of AT&T (mediaone). When I try to connect with my RH
7.0 box i keep getting the error timed out waiting for a valid DHCP server
response. I have researched this online and have come up with the advice
that dhcpcd needs the -h option with a mysterious hostname i.e Cxxxxxx-a,
which the AT&T helpless desk  knows nothing about. I would really like some
help on this before I go insane. Thank you in advance. 

D.J. Callais 
djx@mediaone.net 


P.S. My windoze box connects fine. Exact same NIC as the linux box. 

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From thouck at thouck.com  Wed Jan 24 08:31:03 2001
From: thouck at thouck.com (thouck@thouck.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:00 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] php files without an extension
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10932D@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <200101241420.GAA10129@pine.he.net>

I don't see a specific question here, but I'll take a shot anyway.

I've done something similar to this in the past, configuring apache to
parse .php *and* .html files as PHP.  There is a section in your
httpd.conf file that looks like:

# The following is for PHP4 (conficts with PHP/FI, below):
<IfModule mod_php4.c>
  AddType application/x-httpd-php .php4 .php3 .phtml .php
  AddType application/x-httpd-php-source .phps
</IfModule>

I believe fiddling here will solve your problem.  Try other extensions
or just "." might work.  Remember to restart your webserver so you're
sure it re-read this config file.

On 23 Jan, Austad, Jay had this nonsense to say:
> Say I have a file called generator.php.  To hit this and pass arguments to
> it, the URL looks something like:
> http://www.something.com/generator.php?file=something.txt
> 
> I want to rename generator.php to just "generator" and have apache parse it
> as a PHP file.  So when I hit it, it will look something like:
> http://www.something.com/generator?file=something.txt
> 
> The reason being, I'm trying to replace a badly written CGI with this nice
> graceful PHP script, but there are too many links to change other places to
> have the URL be different.
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From mtsqph at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 24 08:54:05 2001
From: mtsqph at yahoo.com (grey Moon-Wolf)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:00 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] compaq server w/scsi for sale!
Message-ID: <20010124145405.77019.qmail@web10306.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Colin Kilbane <colin@tyr.med.umn.edu> wrote:
> I freind of mine requested that I post this.  She
> 
Colin, 
Not to be rude, dude, but...
Money??  Ducats, simoleans Bucks??? Inquiring minds
want to know.... 
Don't have an old reliable 4-8 GB HD on the cheap do
you... No promises to buy... but am open to good
deals... I am always building my 'surplus pile'...
Manuel

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. 
http://auctions.yahoo.com/

From natecars at real-time.com  Wed Jan 24 09:58:27 2001
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:00 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] proftpd patch for passive mode
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109332@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0101240958130.3944-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Tue, 23 Jan 2001, Austad, Jay wrote:
> Anyone know where I can find the patch for proftpd 1.2.0rc2 that fixed
> passive mode ftp?  I upgraded one of my servers to it, and now some of our
> people who need passive mode are SOL.
>
> I searched around for the patch, but I can't seem to find it.  The only
> thing I can find is the CVS version, and I don't think I want to be running
> the CVS version on this particular server.

If you find it, let me know. I haven't been able to find a patch yet.

-- 
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http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500



From veldy at veldy.net  Wed Jan 24 12:43:42 2001
From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:00 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] devfs && stability
Message-ID: <027001c08635$931528c0$3028680a@tgt.com>

Is anybody out there using devfs on a production system?  I am considering working with it to simplify configuration things.  It seems like a great idea - but I am not sure it is mature enough for production use (it is marked experimental in the kernel source).

Any comments on ease and stability?  

I found this site as a reference, but it seems it might be a little out of date (not much though).
http://www.atnf.csiro.au/~rgooch/linux/docs/devfs.html#op-issues


Tom Veldhouse
veldy@veldy.net
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From tanner at real-time.com  Wed Jan 24 19:48:14 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:00 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] php files without an extension
In-Reply-To: <01012317584800.01124@geezer>; from jack@jacku.com on Tue, Jan 23, 2001 at 05:58:48PM -0600
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10932F@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> <01012317584800.01124@geezer>
Message-ID: <20010124194814.B4582@real-time.com>

Quoting Jack Ungerleider (jack@jacku.com):
> If you're using Apache, what about mod_rewrite? There's a whole guide to 
> doing URL rewrites on the Apache site called (oddly enough :-) "Apache 1.3 
> URL Rewriting Guide". I have a somewhat crusty print out sitting here with 
> the following URL:  http://www.apache.org/docs/misc/rewriteguide.html
> 
> I don't know that it'll do what you want but I think it will.

can't you use the magic mime type module?
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From destef at destef.com  Wed Jan 24 08:10:41 2001
From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:00 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] ATT Broadband
In-Reply-To: <3A6E51F1.5AD5FCAA@mediaone.net>
Message-ID: <200101241410.f0OEAGo19017@destef.com>

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From veldy at veldy.net  Wed Jan 24 08:43:53 2001
From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:00 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] proftpd patch for passive mode
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109338@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <00e301c08614$129caea0$3028680a@tgt.com>

Of course, some people behind certain firewalls can only do passive mode
transfers - and you can't blame them for that.

Tom Veldhouse
veldy@veldy.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Austad, Jay" <austad@marketwatch.com>
To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 8:33 PM
Subject: RE: [TCLUG] proftpd patch for passive mode


> Passive mode is hosed in rc2.  The people who need to use this are
> journalists, typing anything which comes even remotely close to an ftp
> command is incomprehensible to them.  They have a pretty GUI interface one
> that runs under windows and getting some of them to click on "Advanced
> properties" to disable passive mode transfers was harder than explaining
> quantum physics to a retarded monkey.
>
> I need to get it patched or I'll be up all night with phonecalls
explaining
> to them how to disable passive mode on their client.  >:(
>



From austad at marketwatch.com  Wed Jan 24 22:33:41 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:00 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] proftpd patch for passive mode
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109356@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

> Of course, some people behind certain firewalls can only do 
> passive mode
> transfers - and you can't blame them for that.

The people using the server though are either hitting it internally, or
going through one of our own firewalls, which handles ftp without requiring
passive mode.

I joined the proftpd mailing list, and no one has anything.  However, rc3
will be out soon after a small security fix in the CVS version.  Of course,
I haven't seen any news or anything on their site since July, so who knows
how long it will be.

Jay


> 
> Tom Veldhouse
> veldy@veldy.net
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Austad, Jay" <austad@marketwatch.com>
> To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 8:33 PM
> Subject: RE: [TCLUG] proftpd patch for passive mode
> 
> 
> > Passive mode is hosed in rc2.  The people who need to use this are
> > journalists, typing anything which comes even remotely 
> close to an ftp
> > command is incomprehensible to them.  They have a pretty 
> GUI interface one
> > that runs under windows and getting some of them to click 
> on "Advanced
> > properties" to disable passive mode transfers was harder 
> than explaining
> > quantum physics to a retarded monkey.
> >
> > I need to get it patched or I'll be up all night with phonecalls
> explaining
> > to them how to disable passive mode on their client.  >:(
> >
> 
> 
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From austad at marketwatch.com  Wed Jan 24 09:02:07 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:00 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] php files without an extension
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10933D@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

mod_rewrite looks like it will work.

Someone mentioned using sed to just change all of my links, can't do that.
Over a hundred clients have literally thousands of links back to this, I
can't ask them to each change hundreds of links.

Jay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: thouck@thouck.com [mailto:thouck@thouck.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 8:31 AM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] php files without an extension
> 
> 
> I don't see a specific question here, but I'll take a shot anyway.
> 
> I've done something similar to this in the past, configuring apache to
> parse .php *and* .html files as PHP.  There is a section in your
> httpd.conf file that looks like:
> 
> # The following is for PHP4 (conficts with PHP/FI, below):
> <IfModule mod_php4.c>
>   AddType application/x-httpd-php .php4 .php3 .phtml .php
>   AddType application/x-httpd-php-source .phps
> </IfModule>
> 
> I believe fiddling here will solve your problem.  Try other extensions
> or just "." might work.  Remember to restart your webserver so you're
> sure it re-read this config file.
> 
> On 23 Jan, Austad, Jay had this nonsense to say:
> > Say I have a file called generator.php.  To hit this and 
> pass arguments to
> > it, the URL looks something like:
> > http://www.something.com/generator.php?file=something.txt
> > 
> > I want to rename generator.php to just "generator" and have 
> apache parse it
> > as a PHP file.  So when I hit it, it will look something like:
> > http://www.something.com/generator?file=something.txt
> > 
> > The reason being, I'm trying to replace a badly written CGI 
> with this nice
> > graceful PHP script, but there are too many links to change 
> other places to
> > have the URL be different.
> 

From veldy at veldy.net  Wed Jan 24 10:25:00 2001
From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:00 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] proftpd patch for passive mode
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0101240958130.3944-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>
Message-ID: <01c001c08622$33297960$3028680a@tgt.com>

I wonder why they haven't released a rc3?  rc2 was released in July.  There
is also a known memory leak with rc2 - although it is a minor one and I
believe it can only be exploited in "inetd" mode - to any degree.

Tom Veldhouse
veldy@veldy.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nate Carlson" <natecars@real-time.com>
To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] proftpd patch for passive mode


> On Tue, 23 Jan 2001, Austad, Jay wrote:
> > Anyone know where I can find the patch for proftpd 1.2.0rc2 that fixed
> > passive mode ftp?  I upgraded one of my servers to it, and now some of
our
> > people who need passive mode are SOL.
> >
> > I searched around for the patch, but I can't seem to find it.  The only
> > thing I can find is the CVS version, and I don't think I want to be
running
> > the CVS version on this particular server.
>
> If you find it, let me know. I haven't been able to find a patch yet.
>
> --
> Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
> http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500
>
>
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From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu  Wed Jan 24 10:36:00 2001
From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:00 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] PS to HTML?
In-Reply-To: <20010123165708.G5716@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Tue, Jan 23, 2001 at 04:57:08PM -0600
References: <20010123165708.G5716@sherohman.org>
Message-ID: <20010124103600.A17083@pchelka.space.umn.edu>

On Tue, Jan 23, 2001 at 04:57:08PM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote:
> Anyone know where I can find a decent PostScript-to-HTML convertor?  I've
> turned up some ps-to-ascii and html-to-ps utils, but that's as close as
> I've gotten so far.

How about ps2html (http://www.csd.uch.gr/~nikop/thesis.html).

Or using ps2pdf and then pdf2html (
http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~clock/twibright/pdf2html/).
This project looks a little more active. There is also
an adobe page which will let convert web accessible PDF files
to html (http://access.adobe.com/simple_form.html).

I've never used any of them, but google does the trick ;) .
Anyway, I would bet the results for either wouldn't be all that
wonderful, but it might be good enough.  Postscript really is not
any easy language to convert anything (except its sibling PDF).

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From esper at sherohman.org  Thu Jan 25 00:16:01 2001
From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:00 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] PS to HTML?
In-Reply-To: <20010124103600.A17083@pchelka.space.umn.edu>; from crumley@belka.space.umn.edu on Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 10:36:00AM -0600
References: <20010123165708.G5716@sherohman.org> <20010124103600.A17083@pchelka.space.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <20010125001601.Z8479@sherohman.org>

On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 10:36:00AM -0600, Jim Crumley wrote:
> I've never used any of them, but google does the trick ;) .

*sigh*  Checked freshmeat, but didn't think to try the general-purpose search
engines.  Thanks.

> Anyway, I would bet the results for either wouldn't be all that
> wonderful, but it might be good enough.  Postscript really is not
> any easy language to convert anything (except its sibling PDF).

I wouldn't expect a close match either, but I'm just looking for something
that'll save me from having to retype the entire document to get it on the
web.  Formatting is not a concern...

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From tanner at real-time.com  Thu Jan 25 00:24:10 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:00 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Multiple smarthosts in sendmail?
Message-ID: <20010125002410.A18522@real-time.com>

I have linux on my laptop.

When I am at the office, behind the firewall, the smarthost is
mail.private.real-time.com, but when I am on the road the smarthost is
mail.real-time.com.

Is there a way to configure sendmail to relay to mail.private when I am on the
corporate network and mail when I outside?

Are something like try mail first, if that fails try mail.private?

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From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu  Tue Jan 23 19:32:37 2001
From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:00 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] php files without an extension
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10932F@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <3A6E30B5.1EE3EE20@tc.umn.edu>

"Austad, Jay" wrote:
> 
> Nope, can't use a redirect.  It's not a web browser that hits this URL
> usually, it's another piece of software and it doesn't know what to do with
> a redirect.

would a symlink work?

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From lanbarnes at earthlink.net  Wed Jan 24 11:07:30 2001
From: lanbarnes at earthlink.net (Lan Barnes)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:00 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Question about accessibility features
References: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10101232130350.28429-100000@tundra.winternet.com>
Message-ID: <3A6F0BD2.C25E3449@earthlink.net>

Liz Burke-Scovill wrote:
> 
> Hi all - I've recently run into several conversation in various arenas
> about accessibility features for linux (ie., not just what's available in
> standard distros, but also ones that really need to be worked on) - has
> anyone dealth much with accessibility issues (ie., accessibility with
> regards to the blind, etc.). This is something that I'm going to start
> actively research as well, but wanted to pick the brains of those here at
> the same time.
> 
> Thanks,
> Liz Burke-Scovill
> 

Here are some collected URLs on speech recognition and Linux for the blind.
These have been in my files for a while, and I make no guarantee that they
still point to anything. The embedded comments are from other people's
forwarding emails:

====================**

http://www.cstr.ed.ac.uk/projects/festival/
http://rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/blinux/festival/cstr.mirror/Linux-1.4.0/suse/festival-1.4.0-1.i386.html

Here's one for BLINUX, linux for the blind
http://leb.net/blinux/

Here's a link to information about Linux Access
http://ssv1.union.utah.edu/linux-access/
linux-access is a mailing list created to help users and developers of the
Linux OS and related software make Linux more accessable to people with
disablilities.
And here's a companion page with a slide presentation of information on
how Linux can be used to assist people with disabilities.
http://ssv1.union.utah.edu/linux-access/slides/linux-access.001.html
and here's a page on the same site, with links to other resources
http://ssv1.union.utah.edu/linux-access/slides/linux-access.010.html

Here's a list of archive for blind users on rufus
http://rufus.w3.org/linux/RPM/blinux/RootTree.html 
Noticed festival is there.

Here's some information on project involving accessibility and Linux/Unix
http://trace.wisc.edu/world/computer_access/unix/unixshar.html


I couldn't get one of the links to work, the one at U. of  Wisconsin. This
one
works for me.

http://proxy-mail.mailcity.lycos.com/bin/redirector.cgi?http://trace.wisc.edu/world/computer_access/unix/unixshar.html


IBM ViaVoice Dictation for Linux Lets You
Talk to Your Computer to Create Documents

 http://ibm.com/software/speech/linux/dictation.html

HTH,

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From austad at marketwatch.com  Wed Jan 24 12:57:17 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:00 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] snort users
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10934B@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

Does anyone else here besides me use snort?  Wanna help with a TCLUG
presentation on 4/7?  

Jay

From clay at fandre.com  Thu Jan 25 07:02:28 2001
From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:01 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [Fwd: Linux Applications]
Message-ID: <3A7023E4.4113BC7@fandre.com>

Let's help out Joshua in his research. His email is "Joshua"
<josh@appgen.com>

Joshua wrote:
> 
> Dear Sir,
> 
>      I am currently doing market research for my company in the area of
> Linux. Right now Appgen Business Software is the only company with a
> Personal finance package along with an industrial strength accounting
> package written specifically for Linux. While we understand that Linux is
> growing, it is imperative that we find out where Linux users want the
> operating system to go. If you or anyone in your user group could answer the
> questions listed below, I would much appreciate it. If you would be so kind
> as to help me in this endeavor, i would be happy to send you the link to a
> free multi-platform personal finance package. It is a full java program
> designed to take over the quicken/quickbooks market. Thank you for your
> time. Regards,
> 
> Joshua
> Var Business Development
> 
> 1.      Why would an enduser or a business want to run Linux as apposed to any
> other platform?
> 2.      Is your user group actively pursuing business applications for the Linux
> environment
> 3.      What are you looking for in an application, ideally?

From clay at fandre.com  Thu Jan 25 07:16:59 2001
From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:01 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Multiple smarthosts in sendmail?
References: <20010125002410.A18522@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <3A70274B.BC92EADF@fandre.com>

Bob Tanner wrote:
> 
> I have linux on my laptop.
> 
> When I am at the office, behind the firewall, the smarthost is
> mail.private.real-time.com, but when I am on the road the smarthost is
> mail.real-time.com.
> 
> Is there a way to configure sendmail to relay to mail.private when I am on the
> corporate network and mail when I outside?
> 
> Are something like try mail first, if that fails try mail.private?
> 

You could use different run-levels for when you are in the office or on
the road, and use 2 different sendmail.cf files Then have a script
change your sendmail configs. Or write a script that check your IP and
applied the proper sendmail.cf.

My $.02.

From JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com  Thu Jan 25 07:50:04 2001
From: JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com (Miller, John)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:01 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] ATT Broadband
Message-ID: <C8E57CE8F221D411A24600A0C99D90FD02A505FD@mail2.ROG.COM>

Question, why did you "buy" five IP's.  I would love to know what you plan
to do with them. I have one IP and route my other two computers through
Linux to the internet.  As for tech(no)support, I would not be surprise if
you were right about them passing the phone around.  The sad thing is that I
know as much about networking as there level one and two people do and the
only training I had was a semester of networking at St. Paul Tech and the
course was not that great either.  

Other information:
I have two NICs registered with ATT Broadband (mediaone).  They allow you to
have up to three registered, you can only use them one at a time.  

Try putting a second NIC in your Linux machine and try connecting, say your
laptop, through it out to the internet.  I have hard coded the IP address
for the intranet because that is the only way I know how to do it right now.
I am using 192.168.0.1 through 192.168.0.3.  I don't need to access the
other two machines from outside my home so this setup works well.  

As per the warning I received yesterday.  Here is my message in plain text,
thanks to all for not flaming me.


John Miller 
Dain Rauscher Inc. 
Application Services 
IS Capital Markets 
Phone 612-547-7573 
Fax 612-547-7580 
-----Original Message-----
From: Jason DeStefano [mailto:destef@destef.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 8:11 AM
To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] ATT Broadband


I have the same problem with time warner cable. I purchased 5 dhcp ip's and
usually can only get 2 to work. The problem seems to be that after a certain
perioid of time the cable modem refuses to allow more adderss requests
to be forwarded. I've had success rebooting the modem and immediately
doing all five of my dhcp requests. Then it will allow them. But if I need
to
connect my laptop from work I have to reboot the modem again or else
the laptop wont work. I've done sniffer traces on linux and windows 98
and the DHCP requests are going out fine. I've even had to identical linux
boxes send out the same dhcp requests (different mac's of course) and
their DHCP server will respond to one but not the other until i reboot to
modem.
Downside to rebooting is that after the cable modem reboots i have to do a
ping
from each machine because if there is no network traffic after a period of
time
the cable modem will ignore even the previous valid ips thus causing the
dhcp renewal to fail ~12 hours later and Im back to sqaure one.

It's stupid and of course timewarner had no clue (even their level 3
people--
which is probably their help desk passing the phone around). They suggest
things like if your using a hub then its a problem because a hub doesnt
forward DHCP requests fast enough (recidulous) and they tell me they dont
support hubs and point the problem at it. This of course after i reporduce
the problem for them plugging directly into the modem.

People at these cable companies need to pull their heads out of their
asses and learn how to manage a network infrastructure.

At 09:54 PM 1/23/01 -0600, you wrote: 

This question may or may not have been answered before. I recently got a
cable modem courtesy of AT&T (mediaone). When I try to connect with my RH
7.0 box i keep getting the error timed out waiting for a valid DHCP server
response. I have researched this online and have come up with the advice
that dhcpcd needs the -h option with a mysterious hostname i.e Cxxxxxx-a,
which the AT&T helpless desk  knows nothing about. I would really like some
help on this before I go insane. Thank you in advance. 

D.J. Callais 
djx@mediaone.net 

P.S. My windoze box connects fine. Exact same NIC as the linux box. 


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From pwiechman at talkware.net  Thu Jan 25 07:55:11 2001
From: pwiechman at talkware.net (Paul Wiechman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:01 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] question about tar and scsi tape backups
References: <14957.39992.586303.806592@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com>
Message-ID: <3A70303F.A78E0D4A@talkware.net>

You may want to either tar to the disk ( if less than 2GB) or try piping
tar into dump to the tape, but this may cause the same error. Seeing as
you aren't compressing within tar, then why not use dump and pump that
to the tape. It handles multi-tapes properly, and will preserve
ownership and permissisons.

If you have /home on a separate partition then incrementals would also
be possible.

Paul

"Robert P. Goldman" wrote:
> 
> I'm having a terrible time trying to get a SCSI tape drive to work
> with tar.  My problem comes with multi-file archives.  I use a command
> like the following:
> 
> tar --label "mn65-zippy home backup $date" --multi-volume --listed-incremental="home-backup-list" --preserve-permissions --exclude=tape-backup-excludes -cMf /dev/st0 /home
> 
> [date is bound in this context]
> 
> tar fills the tape and then...does the wrong thing.  First it gives me
> an error message about its inability to close the first tape, then
> when I insert the second tape, hoping that the first error isn't
> fatal, tar crashes:
> 
> [root@host]# ./home-backup
> tar: Removing leading `/' from archive names
> tar: WARNING: Cannot close /dev/st0 (3, -1): Input/output error
> Prepare volume #2 for /dev/st0 and hit return:
> tar: Cannot write to /dev/st0: Input/output error
> tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
> [root@host]#
> 
> Here's info about tar on my system:
> 
> tar --version
> tar (GNU tar) 1.13.11
> 
> Copyright 1988, 92,93,94,95,96,97,98, 1999 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
> This is free software; see the source for copying conditions.  There is NO
> warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
> 
> Written by John Gilmore and Jay Fenlason.
> 
> Any idea what I could do to fix or at least diagnose this problem?
> 
> Many thanks!
> Robert
> 
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From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu  Thu Jan 25 08:13:02 2001
From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:01 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Multiple smarthosts in sendmail?
In-Reply-To: <3A70274B.BC92EADF@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 07:16:59AM -0600
References: <20010125002410.A18522@real-time.com> <3A70274B.BC92EADF@fandre.com>
Message-ID: <20010125081302.C27117@pchelka.space.umn.edu>

On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 07:16:59AM -0600, Clay Fandre wrote:
> Bob Tanner wrote:
> > 
> > I have linux on my laptop.
> > 
> > When I am at the office, behind the firewall, the smarthost is
> > mail.private.real-time.com, but when I am on the road the smarthost is
> > mail.real-time.com.
> > 
> > Is there a way to configure sendmail to relay to mail.private when I am on the
> > corporate network and mail when I outside?
> > 
> > Are something like try mail first, if that fails try mail.private?
> > 
> 
> You could use different run-levels for when you are in the office or on
> the road, and use 2 different sendmail.cf files Then have a script
> change your sendmail configs. Or write a script that check your IP and
> applied the proper sendmail.cf.
> 

I know of a couple of possible packages that might be helpful -
though they may be over kill if this is the only thing that you
want to change for the different networks is the mail config.
I've never used either divine or netenv to do what you want,
but I have used netenv to do other things.

From jamie at getsetnet.net  Thu Jan 25 08:12:58 2001
From: jamie at getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:01 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Linux/Unix Hiring Survey
Message-ID: <007d01c086d8$fd49e430$991ea8c0@digitalriver.com>



   I am interested in setting up a web site that addresses the advantages of hiring entry level people in Linux/Unix positions within companies. This information will be useful to companies that are considering generating positions for entry level admins but are uncertain what kind of advantages and disadvantages are involved. 

   Is there anyone here on the list who can offer any insight to the following questions:

1) Have you found hiring entry level *nix employees advantageous? 

2) What kind of positions do you generally hire them into?

3) Does the fact that they are being trained in your specific environment for the first time help ensure that they do not have to 'unlearn' wrong things that were taught at other companies?

  Any other insight you have for employers considering generating entry level Linux/Unix people would be helpful. 

   Thanks for your time.


   - Jamie Ostrowski
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From cop7586 at hotmail.com  Thu Jan 25 08:48:08 2001
From: cop7586 at hotmail.com (Chris Opp)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:01 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Entry Level *nix
Message-ID: <F2988V8zDv60gxapzha00002095@hotmail.com>



If someone was interested in getting an entry level position with *nix, how 
does someone who doesnt have a.) experience, and b.) the appropriate 
certifications or education to get the job? Let's take myself for example. I 
have a B.A. and no certs as of yet. I plan on doing the CCNA within the next 
6-12 months from now. I currently use Linux.  So, should I got back to 
school and try to get a Masters degree in computer science, or go to a tech 
school and get a 2 year degree in Unix? Any ideas?


Thanks,

Chris
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From destef at destef.com  Thu Jan 25 08:48:57 2001
From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:01 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] ATT Broadband
In-Reply-To: <C8E57CE8F221D411A24600A0C99D90FD02A505FD@mail2.ROG.COM>
Message-ID: <200101251448.f0PEmKo19999@destef.com>

Well, I'm not going to elaborate on my needs for multiple IP's (static
preferably) for fear of starting another holy-war from the IP-zealots that
feel its their job to make sure the IP4 adderss space is not used up.
I have certain needs that proxy/nat/masq whatever cant meet and
therefore i prefer multiple static ip's for the same reason any company
out there needs a subnet. I've designed and administered enterprise
level networks for years and also write network software from firewalls
to RMON2 probes on linux so Im aware when places like time-warner
are doing a shoddy job or just feeding me BS (or both in this case).

As for the internal network thing. I already have 2 nics (at least) in every
box and have a local 10-net for my private traffic. That way when time-
warner's crap equipment doesnt do its job I dont lose network access
internally at least. I'd rather not waste my time administering my own
network like its a job which is what having an internal network, masq'ing
ip's, using DHCP address that constantly change, etc. makes me do.
I'd much rather have a static subnet, statically IP my boxes once and
be done with it. That way I can spend more time designing useful
software and writing code for the people of this world instead of
spending my time building and maintaining a "titanium network-fort".

Cheers

At 07:50 AM 1/25/01 -0600, you wrote:
>Question, why did you "buy" five IP's.  I would love to know what you plan
>to do with them. I have one IP and route my other two computers through
>Linux to the internet.  As for tech(no)support, I would not be surprise if
>you were right about them passing the phone around.  The sad thing is that I
>know as much about networking as there level one and two people do and the
>only training I had was a semester of networking at St. Paul Tech and the
>course was not that great either.  
>
>Other information:
>I have two NICs registered with ATT Broadband (mediaone).  They allow you to
>have up to three registered, you can only use them one at a time.  
>
>Try putting a second NIC in your Linux machine and try connecting, say your
>laptop, through it out to the internet.  I have hard coded the IP address
>for the intranet because that is the only way I know how to do it right now.
>I am using 192.168.0.1 through 192.168.0.3.  I don't need to access the
>other two machines from outside my home so this setup works well.  
>
>As per the warning I received yesterday.  Here is my message in plain text,
>thanks to all for not flaming me.
>
>
>John Miller 
>Dain Rauscher Inc. 
>Application Services 
>IS Capital Markets 
>Phone 612-547-7573 
>Fax 612-547-7580 



From veldy at veldy.net  Thu Jan 25 08:51:08 2001
From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:01 2005
Subject: Realtime mail latency? [Re: [TCLUG] proftpd patch for passive mode]
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0101240958130.3944-100000@enchanter.real-time.com> <01c001c08622$33297960$3028680a@tgt.com>
Message-ID: <003201c086de$40bc0720$3028680a@tgt.com>

The email below seems to have taken nearly 14 hours to get posted to the
group.  Has there been a problem with Realtime's email servers?

Received: from veldy.net (w028.z064001117.msp-mn.dsl.cnc.net [64.1.117.28])
 by sprite.real-time.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f0OGRaH18229
 for <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 10:27:36 -0600


Realtime sent the mail out from the list at 12AM this morning.

Tom Veldhouse
veldy@veldy.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <veldy@veldy.net>
To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] proftpd patch for passive mode


> I wonder why they haven't released a rc3?  rc2 was released in July.
There
> is also a known memory leak with rc2 - although it is a minor one and I
> believe it can only be exploited in "inetd" mode - to any degree.
>
> Tom Veldhouse
> veldy@veldy.net
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nate Carlson" <natecars@real-time.com>
> To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 9:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] proftpd patch for passive mode
>
>
> > On Tue, 23 Jan 2001, Austad, Jay wrote:
> > > Anyone know where I can find the patch for proftpd 1.2.0rc2 that fixed
> > > passive mode ftp?  I upgraded one of my servers to it, and now some of
> our
> > > people who need passive mode are SOL.
> > >
> > > I searched around for the patch, but I can't seem to find it.  The
only
> > > thing I can find is the CVS version, and I don't think I want to be
> running
> > > the CVS version on this particular server.
> >
> > If you find it, let me know. I haven't been able to find a patch yet.
> >
> > --
> > Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
> > http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > tclug-list mailing list
> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
>
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From veldy at veldy.net  Thu Jan 25 09:07:36 2001
From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:02 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] ATT Broadband
References: <200101251448.f0PEmKo19999@destef.com>
Message-ID: <006601c086e0$8d60c6e0$3028680a@tgt.com>

There are certain pieces of software out there that expect you to have a
real IP.  Many games are like that.  Napster expects it - although it can be
configured to use a proxy or you can forward a port for it.  Running servers
on multiple machines also requires more public static IPs.

That is reason enough.  Also, I am not to concerned about diluting the IPv4
set of addresses.  There are still a considerable amount left - and the
pressure of running out will only push IPv6 out faster.  It really needs to
become the standard instead of a simple test platform.

Tom Veldhouse
veldy@veldy.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason DeStefano" <destef@destef.com>
To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 8:48 AM
Subject: RE: [TCLUG] ATT Broadband


>
> Well, I'm not going to elaborate on my needs for multiple IP's (static
> preferably) for fear of starting another holy-war from the IP-zealots that
> feel its their job to make sure the IP4 adderss space is not used up.
> I have certain needs that proxy/nat/masq whatever cant meet and
> therefore i prefer multiple static ip's for the same reason any company
> out there needs a subnet. I've designed and administered enterprise
> level networks for years and also write network software from firewalls
> to RMON2 probes on linux so Im aware when places like time-warner
> are doing a shoddy job or just feeding me BS (or both in this case).
>
> As for the internal network thing. I already have 2 nics (at least) in
every
> box and have a local 10-net for my private traffic. That way when time-
> warner's crap equipment doesnt do its job I dont lose network access
> internally at least. I'd rather not waste my time administering my own
> network like its a job which is what having an internal network, masq'ing
> ip's, using DHCP address that constantly change, etc. makes me do.
> I'd much rather have a static subnet, statically IP my boxes once and
> be done with it. That way I can spend more time designing useful
> software and writing code for the people of this world instead of
> spending my time building and maintaining a "titanium network-fort".
>
> Cheers
>
> At 07:50 AM 1/25/01 -0600, you wrote:
> >Question, why did you "buy" five IP's.  I would love to know what you
plan
> >to do with them. I have one IP and route my other two computers through
> >Linux to the internet.  As for tech(no)support, I would not be surprise
if
> >you were right about them passing the phone around.  The sad thing is
that I
> >know as much about networking as there level one and two people do and
the
> >only training I had was a semester of networking at St. Paul Tech and the
> >course was not that great either.
> >
> >Other information:
> >I have two NICs registered with ATT Broadband (mediaone).  They allow you
to
> >have up to three registered, you can only use them one at a time.
> >
> >Try putting a second NIC in your Linux machine and try connecting, say
your
> >laptop, through it out to the internet.  I have hard coded the IP address
> >for the intranet because that is the only way I know how to do it right
now.
> >I am using 192.168.0.1 through 192.168.0.3.  I don't need to access the
> >other two machines from outside my home so this setup works well.
> >
> >As per the warning I received yesterday.  Here is my message in plain
text,
> >thanks to all for not flaming me.
> >
> >
> >John Miller
> >Dain Rauscher Inc.
> >Application Services
> >IS Capital Markets
> >Phone 612-547-7573
> >Fax 612-547-7580
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


From jamie at getsetnet.net  Thu Jan 25 09:24:04 2001
From: jamie at getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:02 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Entry Level *nix
References: <F2988V8zDv60gxapzha00002095@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <008e01c086e2$ee1eca20$991ea8c0@digitalriver.com>


   Chris,

   Hi, I have been struggling to find entry level Unix/Linux work for a
couple of months now. I recently graduated (in Sept) with a two year AAS
degree in Info Systems Management. When I graduated I knew I wanted to be a
Unix admin. I went to the U of M's tech training center and got my Unix and
C programming certification which was 40 hrs a week for 2 months. With those
qualifications in hand plus about 2 yrs experience working personally with
FreeBSD and Red Hat, I went job hunting. I sent out tons of resumes. I had a
lot of calls from headhunters but as soon as I mentioned that I had no
FORMAL experience...'click'. I have found one possible path to try. I hope
it works. I am currently working for a contracting company but my first
contract is a 3 month customer service deal that kind of sucks, but they are
saying they can get me Unix work eventually if I am willing to stick with
them. What am I going to do? The work sucks but I have no other routes. I
have to hope that they are being upright and will eventually get me in once
I prove I am a good worker. In the meantime I keep working with my Linux
server to ensure I am on top of things.

   Try to look around, but I have been told by EVERYONE that the education
doesn't count for much. They all want experience. Unfortunatly that is a
ridiculous catch 22 situation for you and I.

   I am trying to put up a website that will help others like us in this
situation. I have met a lot of people in this dilemma and I thought it would
be good to help others in the same boat I am in. Good luck with your search.




----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Opp" <cop7586@hotmail.com>
To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 8:48 AM
Subject: [TCLUG] Entry Level *nix


>
>
>
> If someone was interested in getting an entry level position with *nix,
how
> does someone who doesnt have a.) experience, and b.) the appropriate
> certifications or education to get the job? Let's take myself for example.
I
> have a B.A. and no certs as of yet. I plan on doing the CCNA within the
next
> 6-12 months from now. I currently use Linux.  So, should I got back to
> school and try to get a Masters degree in computer science, or go to a
tech
> school and get a 2 year degree in Unix? Any ideas?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chris
> _________________________________________________________________
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From esper at sherohman.org  Thu Jan 25 10:38:25 2001
From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:02 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Entry Level *nix
In-Reply-To: <008e01c086e2$ee1eca20$991ea8c0@digitalriver.com>; from jamie@getsetnet.net on Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 09:24:04AM -0600
References: <F2988V8zDv60gxapzha00002095@hotmail.com> <008e01c086e2$ee1eca20$991ea8c0@digitalriver.com>
Message-ID: <20010125103824.D11910@sherohman.org>

On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 09:24:04AM -0600, Jamie Ostrowski wrote:
>    Try to look around, but I have been told by EVERYONE that the education
> doesn't count for much. They all want experience. Unfortunatly that is a
> ridiculous catch 22 situation for you and I.

Don't worry.  It could be worse.

I've got several years' experience, it just happens to be in Windows
programming.  Most employers seem to consider Windows programming and *nix
programming to be unrelated (and sysadmin is on a completely different
planet), so they prefer to consider me for entry-level positions.  When I
manage to convince them that I can do the job, then they can't believe
that I'd be willing to take a pay cut like that and turn me down for
being overqualified.  (In one case, a small local ISP turned me down
and managed to give as reasons that I was overqualified and that the
guy they took had more experience.  In the same sentence.)

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From clay at fandre.com  Thu Jan 25 10:43:31 2001
From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:02 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Entry Level *nix
References: <F2988V8zDv60gxapzha00002095@hotmail.com> <008e01c086e2$ee1eca20$991ea8c0@digitalriver.com>
Message-ID: <3A7057B3.6F8C731@fandre.com>

You really have to look at the companies point of view. When they have a
position to fill it costs them plenty to fill it.   (both money (posting
ads, etc.) and man-hours to interview) They do not want to waste their
time on someone who might not cut it. It would end up costing the
company money in the long run. They want someone the first time. That's
why education isn't very useful. It doesn't represent the real-world.
Experience does. But how do you get experience? Usually you need to
start at the bottom. Yep, that's right, HELPDESK!!! Answering phones,
rebooting NT, etc. Once you are in at a company it usually is pretty
easy to 'show your stuff' and move into other positions. Then just move
up the ladder until you have enough experience to go for the job you
really want.

There also is the old saying: "It's not what you know, but who you
know." Companies are more willing to hire someone if a current employee
refers them. Get to know other members of the TCLUG or other local
groups. Go to the TCLUG meetings. Go to the beer meetings. Build up your
rollodex. Once you do that it will make finding a great job that much
easier.


Jamie Ostrowski wrote:
> 
>    Chris,
> 
>    Hi, I have been struggling to find entry level Unix/Linux work for a
> couple of months now. I recently graduated (in Sept) with a two year AAS
> degree in Info Systems Management. When I graduated I knew I wanted to be a
> Unix admin. I went to the U of M's tech training center and got my Unix and
> C programming certification which was 40 hrs a week for 2 months. With those
> qualifications in hand plus about 2 yrs experience working personally with
> FreeBSD and Red Hat, I went job hunting. I sent out tons of resumes. I had a
> lot of calls from headhunters but as soon as I mentioned that I had no
> FORMAL experience...'click'. I have found one possible path to try. I hope
> it works. I am currently working for a contracting company but my first
> contract is a 3 month customer service deal that kind of sucks, but they are
> saying they can get me Unix work eventually if I am willing to stick with
> them. What am I going to do? The work sucks but I have no other routes. I
> have to hope that they are being upright and will eventually get me in once
> I prove I am a good worker. In the meantime I keep working with my Linux
> server to ensure I am on top of things.
> 
>    Try to look around, but I have been told by EVERYONE that the education
> doesn't count for much. They all want experience. Unfortunatly that is a
> ridiculous catch 22 situation for you and I.
> 
>    I am trying to put up a website that will help others like us in this
> situation. I have met a lot of people in this dilemma and I thought it would
> be good to help others in the same boat I am in. Good luck with your search.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Opp" <cop7586@hotmail.com>
> To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 8:48 AM
> Subject: [TCLUG] Entry Level *nix
> 
> >
> >
> >
> > If someone was interested in getting an entry level position with *nix,
> how
> > does someone who doesnt have a.) experience, and b.) the appropriate
> > certifications or education to get the job? Let's take myself for example.
> I
> > have a B.A. and no certs as of yet. I plan on doing the CCNA within the
> next
> > 6-12 months from now. I currently use Linux.  So, should I got back to
> > school and try to get a Masters degree in computer science, or go to a
> tech
> > school and get a 2 year degree in Unix? Any ideas?
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Chris
> > _________________________________________________________________
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From andyzb at ltiflex.com  Thu Jan 25 10:45:45 2001
From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:02 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Entry Level *nix
References: <F2988V8zDv60gxapzha00002095@hotmail.com> <008e01c086e2$ee1eca20$991ea8c0@digitalriver.com>
Message-ID: <3A705839.4313B877@ltiflex.com>

Somehow, I got lucky. I was in the right place, at the right time, at the
right price. (or something like that...) 

Secondly, I can deal with Windows. At this point I have completely sworn off
using anything but Windows 2000 on servers (with the exception of the
database server that is still running NT4, and hasn't had an issue since it
went on line. If it ain't broke...) If budjeting and client hardware allowed
it, I'd probally move the workstations from NT4 to windows 2000. (Just don't
bother with Windows 9x or Me). If I can find a thin client to fill our needs
we will probally move in that direction (if I can smash some long
outstanding bugs with our main windows application anyway...) But Windows is
everywhere. Get over it, learn it. I can actually sleep at night when I
recomment Windows 2000. Win2K isn't perfect, but it's a big step in the
right direction. 

The third thing I have going is on the side consulting type jobs. I started
by fixing the (very) small windows network at my dad's company when ever it
broke down (thankfully that wasn't often.) The other notable job was setting
up a Linux firewall/nat/web/mail/file server box for the St. Lawrence Newman
Center. It was all voulenteer, but probally worth mentioning. (Not one
service call yet...slick!) In the next few weeks I'll be building a windows
2000 network from the ground up for an office of 10 or so.

If somebody in your family or maybe a friend of the family needs computer
stuff done you might find some experience there. Small businesses like that
generally need some basic stuff setup, and are always concerned by cost. 

The last place I found myself was ISP technical support. Most ISPs use some
form of UNIX, and need somebody between the customers and the admins (or
developers) to setup accounts and take abuse from the users.  There are
probally other helpdesk positions you can find yourself in, I could tell you
about a few local places that need someone with a clue, but you probally
don't want the names as their offices are within shooting distance of my
apartment. Muhahahahaha! (Aim the rocket at the 9th floor, center for sales,
off to the right a bit for technical support...) 

If I have any other thoughts I'll let you know. 

--
Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin   | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com
LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH)  763-428-9119 (EX) 132
21801 Industrial Blvd       | (FX)  763-428-9126
Rogers, MN  55374           | (PCS) 612-306-6055
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From tanner at real-time.com  Thu Jan 25 11:19:17 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:02 2005
Subject: Realtime mail latency? [Re: [TCLUG] proftpd patch for passive mode]
In-Reply-To: <003201c086de$40bc0720$3028680a@tgt.com>; from veldy@veldy.net on Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 08:51:08AM -0600
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0101240958130.3944-100000@enchanter.real-time.com> <01c001c08622$33297960$3028680a@tgt.com> <003201c086de$40bc0720$3028680a@tgt.com>
Message-ID: <20010125111917.D24777@real-time.com>

Quoting Thomas T. Veldhouse (veldy@veldy.net):
> The email below seems to have taken nearly 14 hours to get posted to the
> group.  Has there been a problem with Realtime's email servers?

Very busy mailing list server.

Archiving the linux kernel mailing list is a heavy duty tasks.
-- 
Bob Tanner <tanner@real-time.com>       | Phone : (952)943-8700
http://www.mn-linux.org                 | Fax   : (952)943-8500
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From jsowers at osii.com  Thu Jan 25 11:44:01 2001
From: jsowers at osii.com (Jason Sowers)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:02 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Entry Level *nix
In-Reply-To: <3A705839.4313B877@ltiflex.com>
Message-ID: <KIEJKEGIEEMCHPGDMCOFGEIHCHAA.jsowers@osii.com>

I have to agree with MR. Zbikowski on some things.  I know that Linux is a
better product than Windows (for most purposes) but Windows has the market.
And without a major change in the ways that companies operate, this is not
likely to change very soon.  True, many large companies operate Linux at
some level, but most don't want to admit it.  I am an RHCE, have been for a
year now, but no one is looking for them.  My CCNA is what got me a job.
Sure, I get to use Linux once in a while, but I just had to get used to
Windows, or rather my distaste for Windows, and jump on the chance to use
Linux where I have the chance.

Then again, I never have been a programmer.

____________________________________
Jason Sowers
Network Engineer
Open Systems International
3600 Holly Lane North Suite 40
Minneapolis, MN 55447-1286
Phone:  (763) 551-0559
Fax:      (763) 551-1750
Email: jsowers@osii.com <mailto:jsowers@osii.com>
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<http://www.e-scada.com>


-----Original Message-----
From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org
[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Andy Zbikowski
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 10:46 AM
To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Entry Level *nix


Somehow, I got lucky. I was in the right place, at the right time, at the
right price. (or something like that...)

Secondly, I can deal with Windows. At this point I have completely sworn off
using anything but Windows 2000 on servers (with the exception of the
database server that is still running NT4, and hasn't had an issue since it
went on line. If it ain't broke...) If budjeting and client hardware allowed
it, I'd probally move the workstations from NT4 to windows 2000. (Just don't
bother with Windows 9x or Me). If I can find a thin client to fill our needs
we will probally move in that direction (if I can smash some long
outstanding bugs with our main windows application anyway...) But Windows is
everywhere. Get over it, learn it. I can actually sleep at night when I
recomment Windows 2000. Win2K isn't perfect, but it's a big step in the
right direction.

The third thing I have going is on the side consulting type jobs. I started
by fixing the (very) small windows network at my dad's company when ever it
broke down (thankfully that wasn't often.) The other notable job was setting
up a Linux firewall/nat/web/mail/file server box for the St. Lawrence Newman
Center. It was all voulenteer, but probally worth mentioning. (Not one
service call yet...slick!) In the next few weeks I'll be building a windows
2000 network from the ground up for an office of 10 or so.

If somebody in your family or maybe a friend of the family needs computer
stuff done you might find some experience there. Small businesses like that
generally need some basic stuff setup, and are always concerned by cost.

The last place I found myself was ISP technical support. Most ISPs use some
form of UNIX, and need somebody between the customers and the admins (or
developers) to setup accounts and take abuse from the users.  There are
probally other helpdesk positions you can find yourself in, I could tell you
about a few local places that need someone with a clue, but you probally
don't want the names as their offices are within shooting distance of my
apartment. Muhahahahaha! (Aim the rocket at the 9th floor, center for sales,
off to the right a bit for technical support...)

If I have any other thoughts I'll let you know.

--
Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin   | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com
LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH)  763-428-9119 (EX) 132
21801 Industrial Blvd       | (FX)  763-428-9126
Rogers, MN  55374           | (PCS) 612-306-6055


From veldy at veldy.net  Thu Jan 25 11:45:07 2001
From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:02 2005
Subject: Realtime mail latency? [Re: [TCLUG] proftpd patch for passive mode]
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0101240958130.3944-100000@enchanter.real-time.com> <01c001c08622$33297960$3028680a@tgt.com> <003201c086de$40bc0720$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010125111917.D24777@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <023501c086f6$8f004410$3028680a@tgt.com>

Bummer - I guess that Python is not very fast.

Tom Veldhouse
veldy@veldy.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Tanner" <tanner@real-time.com>
To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: Realtime mail latency? [Re: [TCLUG] proftpd patch for passive
mode]


> Quoting Thomas T. Veldhouse (veldy@veldy.net):
> > The email below seems to have taken nearly 14 hours to get posted to the
> > group.  Has there been a problem with Realtime's email servers?
>
> Very busy mailing list server.
>
> Archiving the linux kernel mailing list is a heavy duty tasks.
> --
> Bob Tanner <tanner@real-time.com>       | Phone : (952)943-8700
> http://www.mn-linux.org                 | Fax   : (952)943-8500
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>
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From jacque at fruitioninc.com  Thu Jan 25 11:52:12 2001
From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:02 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting TONIGHT!
Message-ID: <OEEGINPDBECPENDANKKMEEGPCAAA.jacque@fruitioninc.com>

Just a reminder that there will be a beer meeting tonight at Jake's Sports
Cafe in New Brighton. 6Pm - 8pm (or so)

All the details are here: http://www.mn-linux.org/beermeeting/

Hope to see you there!

Jacque


From jeffr at odeon.net  Thu Jan 25 10:31:38 2001
From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:02 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Question about XFree86 4.x
In-Reply-To: <20010125081302.C27117@pchelka.space.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0101251020280.7416-100000@odeon.net>

Heya folks, I've got a NEC Versa SX notebook (P-II, 366 MHz, 64 megs ram,
4 gig hard drive, Trident 9388 video with 2 megs ram).  I was trying to
put Mandrake 7.2 on it (which includes XFree86 4.0.1).  The install runs
fine, it properly detects the video chipset, and when X starts I get a
nifty penguin background, but none of the windows work (they are all
transparent, just showing the outline of the windows but none of the text
or color/shading that should normally be in the window).  This happens at
all resolutions and depths that I've tried (from 8bpp at 640x480 through
16bpp at 1024x768).  Going back down to XFree86 3.3.6 works fine.  I also
tried XFree86 4.0.2, but encountered the same problem as with XFree86
4.0.1.

Any ideas would be greatly appreciated,

Jeff


From blutgens at sistina.com  Thu Jan 25 13:51:02 2001
From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:02 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting TONIGHT!
In-Reply-To: <OEEGINPDBECPENDANKKMEEGPCAAA.jacque@fruitioninc.com>; from jacque@fruitioninc.com on Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 11:52:12AM -0600
References: <OEEGINPDBECPENDANKKMEEGPCAAA.jacque@fruitioninc.com>
Message-ID: <20010125135102.A20150@minime.sistina.com>

On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 11:52:12AM -0600, Jacqueline Urick wrote:
>Just a reminder that there will be a beer meeting tonight at Jake's Sports
>Cafe in New Brighton. 6Pm - 8pm (or so)

Can't make it this time, got a busted vehicle. I think it needs a kernel
upgrade :-) My rear differential literally "Dumped Core" on me.

>
>All the details are here: http://www.mn-linux.org/beermeeting/
>
>Hope to see you there!
>
>Jacque
>
>_______________________________________________
>tclug-list mailing list
>tclug-list@mn-linux.org
>https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

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From austad at marketwatch.com  Thu Jan 25 10:34:17 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:02 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] php files without an extension
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10935C@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

Hrm, I'm not sure if a symlink would work.  I'll try that.  Since it's not
being called with a .php extension, it probably won't get parsed as php.

Jay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Hicks [mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 7:33 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] php files without an extension
> 
> 
> "Austad, Jay" wrote:
> > 
> > Nope, can't use a redirect.  It's not a web browser that 
> hits this URL
> > usually, it's another piece of software and it doesn't know 
> what to do with
> > a redirect.
> 
> would a symlink work?
> 
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From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu  Thu Jan 25 11:02:58 2001
From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:03 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Entry Level *nix
Message-ID: <010125110258.2031d396@dcmir.med.umn.edu>

Hi

Just wanted to throw a couple of thoughts in here. I've been doing the unix
sysadmin thing for a while, and while I'm clearly not the best, I'm also not
the worst either. I've just broken into Linux and, of course, am struggling
with it.

Anyway, here at the U, I've advertised for help and usually the people come
from the Computer Science dept. I've hired people with good grades some with
not so good grades. In all cases, as they start to see what "sysadminning"
entails, they're history. This is a total of 4 people over the last 2 years.
Probably I'm not the best judge of people, but I ought to be able to hang onto
someone.

On the other hand, during interviews with these people, you ask them very basic 
questions such as "What do you do about a disk crash?" and you just get this
blank stare. They are absolutely clueless about this kind of thing. All in all,
that's fine. Willing to learn is all that's really required, but given the
above...

Then there's what I call resume inflation. You look at what they have for
skills and they'll have 97 different languages and operating systems listed and
done 14 different things. As it happens, I know a little about a few things
here and there, and when you question them in a little depth, it becomes
painfully obvious that they are once again clueless. In a market where this
kind of BS is prevalent, everyone has to lie just to get their foot in a door
(at least, that's my take on it).

If you feel that your certifications are worthless, perhaps this is why.
Personally, I'd like to find someone who's been doing this stuff for a while to
plug the holes in my knowledge and teach me a thing or 2, but I don't seem to
be that lucky. Hang in there. I'm sure you'll find something. You might even
find something here at the U as they tend to hire the inexperienced. The pay
may not be that great, but it'd be a start. Good Luck!!!

Ed Hoeffner
1-271 BSBE
312 Church St. SE
Mpls, MN 55455
hoeffner@dcmir.med.umn.edu
612-625-2115
612-625-2163 fax

From jacque at fruitioninc.com  Thu Jan 25 11:52:12 2001
From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:03 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beer Meeting TONIGHT!
Message-ID: <OEEGINPDBECPENDANKKMEEGPCAAA.jacque@fruitioninc.com>

Just a reminder that there will be a beer meeting tonight at Jake's Sports
Cafe in New Brighton. 6Pm - 8pm (or so)

All the details are here: http://www.mn-linux.org/beermeeting/

Hope to see you there!

Jacque

_______________________________________________
tclug-announce mailing list
tclug-announce@mn-linux.org
https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce

From austad at marketwatch.com  Thu Jan 25 14:26:17 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:03 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Question about XFree86 4.x
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109364@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

What window manager are you using?  Did you try a different one?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: jeffr@odeon.net [mailto:jeffr@odeon.net]
> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 10:32 AM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: [TCLUG] Question about XFree86 4.x
> 
> 
> 
> Heya folks, I've got a NEC Versa SX notebook (P-II, 366 MHz, 
> 64 megs ram,
> 4 gig hard drive, Trident 9388 video with 2 megs ram).  I was 
> trying to
> put Mandrake 7.2 on it (which includes XFree86 4.0.1).  The 
> install runs
> fine, it properly detects the video chipset, and when X starts I get a
> nifty penguin background, but none of the windows work (they are all
> transparent, just showing the outline of the windows but none 
> of the text
> or color/shading that should normally be in the window).  
> This happens at
> all resolutions and depths that I've tried (from 8bpp at 
> 640x480 through
> 16bpp at 1024x768).  Going back down to XFree86 3.3.6 works 
> fine.  I also
> tried XFree86 4.0.2, but encountered the same problem as with XFree86
> 4.0.1.
> 
> Any ideas would be greatly appreciated,
> 
> Jeff
> 
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

From thudak at sistina.com  Thu Jan 25 14:39:40 2001
From: thudak at sistina.com (Tom Hudak)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:03 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Entry Level *nix
In-Reply-To: <3A705839.4313B877@ltiflex.com>; from andyzb@ltiflex.com on Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 10:45:45AM -0600
References: <F2988V8zDv60gxapzha00002095@hotmail.com> <008e01c086e2$ee1eca20$991ea8c0@digitalriver.com> <3A705839.4313B877@ltiflex.com>
Message-ID: <20010125143940.E2417@cesium.sistina.com>

On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 10:45:45AM -0600, Andy Zbikowski wrote:
>Somehow, I got lucky. I was in the right place, at the right time, at the
>right price. (or something like that...) 
>
>Secondly, I can deal with Windows. At this point I have completely sworn off
>using anything but Windows 2000 on servers (with the exception of the
>database server that is still running NT4, and hasn't had an issue since it
>went on line. If it ain't broke...) If budjeting and client hardware allowed
>it, I'd probally move the workstations from NT4 to windows 2000. (Just don't
>bother with Windows 9x or Me). If I can find a thin client to fill our needs
>we will probally move in that direction (if I can smash some long
>outstanding bugs with our main windows application anyway...) But Windows is
>everywhere. Get over it, learn it. I can actually sleep at night when I
>recomment Windows 2000. Win2K isn't perfect, but it's a big step in the
>right direction. 
Ok, as a sys admin who's worked in more than a few mixed enviroments, dealt
with specifically NT/2000 based networks, as well as solely linux based
networks, I would just like to say, YOUR SMOKING CRACK! What are you thinking
putting w2k on every server?? Do you want them to be destroyed? do you like
using more processing power than an equivalent *nix box? Do you like rebooting
all the time? do you like having "bug fixes and patches" create more bugs and
require more patches after adding more problems than it fixes? Why would you
ever recommend w2k to anyone for anything but streaming some sort of media! If
you don't want to use linux for a server, go look at one of the BSD variants,
or a commercial *nix, but windows and ESPECIALLY w2k should be your last
choice. Ok.. just had to get that out of my system. This is not to say
familiarity with windows enviroments in a business atmosphere is a bad thing,
it's not, it's a good thing, it will make you realize the level of quality
that goes into a product designed by a marketing department and then given to
coders to write quick and release. If anything, deal with what's there, yes,
if it ain't broke don't fix it, but then again, if there's something
better, faster, cheaper, and you have time to implement it, then why would you
not.. Do you keep the slower, less economic, more problematic, uglier, more
expensive car? or do you buy the cheap, fast, efficient, and reliable car to
replace it, that can easily be transitioned to the latest greatest at no cost
to you, with minimal hardware changes. (Kind of a long analogy, but that's how
it works out in my mind.) Windows has it's place, and it's place is quickly
shrinking.
>
>The third thing I have going is on the side consulting type jobs. I started
>by fixing the (very) small windows network at my dad's company when ever it
>broke down (thankfully that wasn't often.) The other notable job was setting
>up a Linux firewall/nat/web/mail/file server box for the St. Lawrence Newman
>Center. It was all voulenteer, but probally worth mentioning. (Not one
>service call yet...slick!) In the next few weeks I'll be building a windows
>2000 network from the ground up for an office of 10 or so.
>
>If somebody in your family or maybe a friend of the family needs computer
>stuff done you might find some experience there. Small businesses like that
>generally need some basic stuff setup, and are always concerned by cost. 
>
Very good point, this is similar to the way I started, working for people I
knew on small projects and completely immersing myself in that subject. This
moved me into a couple different positions, such as tech support, admin, admin
monkey, etc. All of which built an experience base for me that definitely put
me in contention for the position for which I later landed and am currently
working.
>The last place I found myself was ISP technical support. Most ISPs use some
>form of UNIX, and need somebody between the customers and the admins (or
>developers) to setup accounts and take abuse from the users.  There are
>probally other helpdesk positions you can find yourself in, I could tell you
>about a few local places that need someone with a clue, but you probally
>don't want the names as their offices are within shooting distance of my
>apartment. Muhahahahaha! (Aim the rocket at the 9th floor, center for sales,
>off to the right a bit for technical support...) 
>
>If I have any other thoughts I'll let you know. 
>
>--
>Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin   | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com
>LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH)  763-428-9119 (EX) 132
>21801 Industrial Blvd       | (FX)  763-428-9126
>Rogers, MN  55374           | (PCS) 612-306-6055
Just my 2 cents.
Thanks,

-- 
Thomas J. Hudak
Systems Administrator
Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com
Phone: 612.379.3951 Page: 612.318.1967
Fax: 612.379.3952
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From jeffr at odeon.net  Thu Jan 25 15:13:00 2001
From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:03 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Entry Level *nix
In-Reply-To: <010125110258.2031d396@dcmir.med.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0101251510000.7416-100000@odeon.net>

So, are you currently hiring for a position like you outlined below?
Actually, it sounds just about like the kind of job I'm looking for right
now, as long as there's some networking involved too.

Jeff
  

On Thu, 25 Jan 2001 HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu wrote:

> Hi
> 
> Just wanted to throw a couple of thoughts in here. I've been doing the unix
> sysadmin thing for a while, and while I'm clearly not the best, I'm also not
> the worst either. I've just broken into Linux and, of course, am struggling
> with it.
> 
> Anyway, here at the U, I've advertised for help and usually the people come
> from the Computer Science dept. I've hired people with good grades some with
> not so good grades. In all cases, as they start to see what "sysadminning"
> entails, they're history. This is a total of 4 people over the last 2 years.
> Probably I'm not the best judge of people, but I ought to be able to hang onto
> someone.
> 
> On the other hand, during interviews with these people, you ask them very basic 
> questions such as "What do you do about a disk crash?" and you just get this
> blank stare. They are absolutely clueless about this kind of thing. All in all,
> that's fine. Willing to learn is all that's really required, but given the
> above...
> 
> Then there's what I call resume inflation. You look at what they have for
> skills and they'll have 97 different languages and operating systems listed and
> done 14 different things. As it happens, I know a little about a few things
> here and there, and when you question them in a little depth, it becomes
> painfully obvious that they are once again clueless. In a market where this
> kind of BS is prevalent, everyone has to lie just to get their foot in a door
> (at least, that's my take on it).
> 
> If you feel that your certifications are worthless, perhaps this is why.
> Personally, I'd like to find someone who's been doing this stuff for a while to
> plug the holes in my knowledge and teach me a thing or 2, but I don't seem to
> be that lucky. Hang in there. I'm sure you'll find something. You might even
> find something here at the U as they tend to hire the inexperienced. The pay
> may not be that great, but it'd be a start. Good Luck!!!
> 
> Ed Hoeffner
> 1-271 BSBE
> 312 Church St. SE
> Mpls, MN 55455
> hoeffner@dcmir.med.umn.edu
> 612-625-2115
> 612-625-2163 fax
> _______________________________________________
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> 


From jeffr at odeon.net  Thu Jan 25 15:28:39 2001
From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:03 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Question about XFree86 4.x
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109364@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0101251528080.7416-100000@odeon.net>

I've tried KDE, Gnome (with Sawfish) and Enlightenment.  Same problem with
each.

Jeff

On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, Austad, Jay wrote:

> What window manager are you using?  Did you try a different one?
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jeffr@odeon.net [mailto:jeffr@odeon.net]
> > Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 10:32 AM
> > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > Subject: [TCLUG] Question about XFree86 4.x
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Heya folks, I've got a NEC Versa SX notebook (P-II, 366 MHz, 
> > 64 megs ram,
> > 4 gig hard drive, Trident 9388 video with 2 megs ram).  I was 
> > trying to
> > put Mandrake 7.2 on it (which includes XFree86 4.0.1).  The 
> > install runs
> > fine, it properly detects the video chipset, and when X starts I get a
> > nifty penguin background, but none of the windows work (they are all
> > transparent, just showing the outline of the windows but none 
> > of the text
> > or color/shading that should normally be in the window).  
> > This happens at
> > all resolutions and depths that I've tried (from 8bpp at 
> > 640x480 through
> > 16bpp at 1024x768).  Going back down to XFree86 3.3.6 works 
> > fine.  I also
> > tried XFree86 4.0.2, but encountered the same problem as with XFree86
> > 4.0.1.
> > 
> > Any ideas would be greatly appreciated,
> > 
> > Jeff
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > tclug-list mailing list
> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > 
> _______________________________________________
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> 


From manero at yossman.net  Thu Jan 25 15:54:48 2001
From: manero at yossman.net (Anthony Collen)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:03 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG-JOBS] Linux/Unix Hiring Survey
In-Reply-To: <007d01c086d8$fd49e430$991ea8c0@digitalriver.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0101251653420.12136-100000@yossman.net>

On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, Jamie Ostrowski wrote:

> 
> 
>    I am interested in setting up a web site that addresses the advantages of hiring entry level people in Linux/Unix positions within companies. This information will be useful to companies that are considering generating positions for entry level admins but are uncertain what kind of advantages and disadvantages are involved. 
> 
>    Is there anyone here on the list who can offer any insight to the following questions:
> 
> 1) Have you found hiring entry level *nix employees advantageous? 
> 
> 2) What kind of positions do you generally hire them into?
> 
> 3) Does the fact that they are being trained in your specific environment for the first time help ensure that they do not have to 'unlearn' wrong things that were taught at other companies?
> 
>   Any other insight you have for employers considering generating entry level Linux/Unix people would be helpful. 



Have you read the Hacker FAQ? ("So you have yourself a hacker") Good
reading.  

http://www.swcp.com/~pcaskey/hacker-faq.html

You could probably glean some ideas for content off this.  If there's
anything you need help with site-wise, let me know.

Tony


From jsowers at osii.com  Thu Jan 25 15:57:18 2001
From: jsowers at osii.com (Jason Sowers)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:03 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Entry Level *nix
In-Reply-To: <20010125143940.E2417@cesium.sistina.com>
Message-ID: <KIEJKEGIEEMCHPGDMCOFAEILCHAA.jsowers@osii.com>

Regarding the "WIndows has it's place, and it's place is quickly shrinking."

Where is the evidence for this?  I don't claim to be a know-all but I can't
see where Windows is going away or even slowing down.  Now I am a huge Linux
advocate, I just don't want to be dishonest to myself because that is what I
would like to see.  Some would like to say it's the power of the mind, if
you think it hard enough it will happen.  I think that sometimes we in the
Linux community want to believe so badly that Linux or *nix can take over
the M$ powers that be, we even start believeing it.  Linux is a better
product, hands down, but M$ knows how to market, and they have lots and lots
of power, copyright Janet Reno.

Of course, this is my opinion, I could be wrong. (copyright Dennis Miller)

____________________________________
Jason Sowers
Network Engineer
Open Systems International
3600 Holly Lane North Suite 40
Minneapolis, MN 55447-1286
Phone:  (763) 551-0559
Fax:      (763) 551-1750
Email: jsowers@osii.com <mailto:jsowers@osii.com>
http:  www.osii.com <http://www.osii.com>  & www.e-scada.com
<http://www.e-scada.com>

>Windows has it's place, and it's place is quickly
>shrinking.


--
Thomas J. Hudak
Systems Administrator
Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com
Phone: 612.379.3951 Page: 612.318.1967
Fax: 612.379.3952


From lanbarnes at earthlink.net  Thu Jan 25 16:09:34 2001
From: lanbarnes at earthlink.net (Lan Barnes)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:03 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Question about XFree86 4.x
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0101251020280.7416-100000@odeon.net>
Message-ID: <3A70A41E.C0631226@earthlink.net>

jeffr@odeon.net wrote:
> 
> Heya folks, I've got a NEC Versa SX notebook (P-II, 366 MHz, 64 megs ram,
> 4 gig hard drive, Trident 9388 video with 2 megs ram).  I was trying to
> put Mandrake 7.2 on it (which includes XFree86 4.0.1).  The install runs
> fine, it properly detects the video chipset, and when X starts I get a
> nifty penguin background, but none of the windows work (they are all
> transparent, just showing the outline of the windows but none of the text
> or color/shading that should normally be in the window).  This happens at
> all resolutions and depths that I've tried (from 8bpp at 640x480 through
> 16bpp at 1024x768).  Going back down to XFree86 3.3.6 works fine.  I also
> tried XFree86 4.0.2, but encountered the same problem as with XFree86
> 4.0.1.
> 
> Any ideas would be greatly appreciated,

Pity it's not a desktop box. Then you could throw away the Trident, which
is a constant source of configuration problems.

However, there are lots of entries for NEC Versas on the Linux Laptop
Volunteers database. Search here:
http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/kharker/linux-laptop/volunteer.html. Someone
there should be able to pass you a working XF86Config file or otherwise fix
you up.

Good luck,

-- 
Lan Barnes                 lanbarnes@earthlink.net
Icon Consulting, Inc       858-273-6677
Key fingerprint = 57D6 C219 140A A81E 26C6  8138 0E62 7F4A 2659 7389

Tear down the terriers and bariffs
                - George W. Bush

From andyzb at ltiflex.com  Thu Jan 25 16:25:25 2001
From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:03 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Entry Level *nix
References: <F2988V8zDv60gxapzha00002095@hotmail.com> <008e01c086e2$ee1eca20$991ea8c0@digitalriver.com> <3A705839.4313B877@ltiflex.com> <20010125143940.E2417@cesium.sistina.com>
Message-ID: <3A70A7D5.EC33A70A@ltiflex.com>

Yes I am smoking crack, branded by MS. 

I would never recoment any windows box as a public server. Keep the beast
behind the firewall (it's easier to hide it from your friends that way.)

There are some tasks that Windows 2000 will do better than Linux. Controling
and Securing a NT Domain for example. Right now, the only way to deal with
windows client auth is Windows 2000. (Yes, samba can do it to a point...) 

If I could change the database over to UNIX I would, but as it is the
NT4+MSSQL7.0 is the platform supported by the software needed by the
database applications. Something of a necissary evil I suppose...

As those database applications are based around databases and (shudder)
filesharing, we have the Citrix server to throw the application over our WAN
link to our out of state facilities. (If the damn applications didn't need
the filesharing component we could run this without the Citrix part...) 

Overall I've had better experiences with Windows 2000 than Windows NT. I
don't reboot them all the time either, I use an at job to reboot them
automatically every night. (Kinda sad isn't it?)

For the vendor support issue, the only way to run our databases under UNIX
would be Oracle, and while it's supported, there are still a few technical
issues in the way. So we're stuck with MSSQL (for now.) 

But fear not, not all the boxen are Windows. Firewall, proxy, file + print,
web, e-mail are all done on Linux. By far these servers have performed much
better than the NT servers. Get over the NT vs. UNIX thing. For now, they
both have their place, both have strengths and weaknesses. I didn't say
Windows 2000 was right for all situations, and for many it's just plain
wrong. 

I think I should stop now before this becomes an all out flame war... (too
late?)

--
Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin   | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com
LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH)  763-428-9119 (EX) 132
21801 Industrial Blvd       | (FX)  763-428-9126
Rogers, MN  55374           | (PCS) 612-306-6055
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From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu  Thu Jan 25 16:31:49 2001
From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:03 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Entry Level *nix
Message-ID: <010125163149.2031d396@dcmir.med.umn.edu>

Hi

Actually, the position is for students. Unfortunate, as I feel I'd be happy
with anyone on this list. In an offline message, I pointed www.umn.edu/ohr out
to Jamie. Pretty much a canned response (out of the U phone book), but it's the
only lead I had into the system.

Ed

From ehillman at cccu.com  Thu Jan 25 17:04:57 2001
From: ehillman at cccu.com (Eric Hillman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:03 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG-JOBS] Linux/Unix Hiring Survey
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0101251653420.12136-100000@yossman.net>
Message-ID: <001801c08723$3c955a80$650aa8c0@cccu.com>

>
>
> Have you read the Hacker FAQ? ("So you have yourself a hacker") Good
> reading.
>
> http://www.swcp.com/~pcaskey/hacker-faq.html
>
> You could probably glean some ideas for content off this.  If there's
> anything you need help with site-wise, let me know.
>
> Tony


Okay, that's the weirdest thing that's happened to me all day.  I was
reading that thinking "yeah, geez, that's dead-on, it's like this person
*knows* me..."  Then I look at the bottom line and the author's an
ex-roommate of mine.

To be fair, it's as good a description of him than of me, and I'm sure he
didn't have me in mind when he wrote it.  It was just odd to have that exact
thought and then realize it was literally true.

--
Eric Hillman
Unix Sysadmin/Webmaster
City & County Credit Union
ehillman@cccu.com


From ghettobretto at hotmail.com  Thu Jan 25 17:14:07 2001
From: ghettobretto at hotmail.com (Brett Astleford)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:04 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] mail headers
Message-ID: <OE22sJ3Ih7jtrSByh13000000c7@hotmail.com>

How do mail headers grab attachments?  I am writing a script to run in a
webpage that automatically grabs a log file and emails it.  I want to attach
it, and send it out.  In php you can write the mail header yourself, and I
want to try to write the attachment in the header.  Any help would be
appreciated.

TIA

Brett Astleford
Platinum Design Group

ps-if you can read headers you'll know I'm using outcrook, sorry...just
using what my comp gives me :(

From nate at nerp.net  Thu Jan 25 18:05:53 2001
From: nate at nerp.net (Nate Sanders)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:04 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Entry Level *nix
References: <F2988V8zDv60gxapzha00002095@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <3A70BF61.21B844EF@nerp.net>

On a simple note. I'm 17 years old. I'm also a System Administrator for an ISP.
I found a nice place where I'm given the freedom to learn and advance my
knowledge while keeping quite busy and building a resume for future jobs. I
have no certs, I don't even have a HS degree or a GED. My past experience
was.... well.. spending all my spare time learning Unix and Networking.

Sometimes you just find the place right for you. Oh, and lots of businesses
love CCanything :-]


Chris Opp wrote:

> If someone was interested in getting an entry level position with *nix, how
> does someone who doesnt have a.) experience, and b.) the appropriate
> certifications or education to get the job? Let's take myself for example. I
> have a B.A. and no certs as of yet. I plan on doing the CCNA within the next
> 6-12 months from now. I currently use Linux.  So, should I got back to
> school and try to get a Masters degree in computer science, or go to a tech
> school and get a 2 year degree in Unix? Any ideas?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chris
> _________________________________________________________________
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http://www.damnation.net           IRC: darkskull@NEWNET




From kethry at winternet.com  Thu Jan 25 16:14:43 2001
From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:05 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Entry Level *nix
In-Reply-To: <010125110258.2031d396@dcmir.med.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10101251602240.8597-100000@tundra.winternet.com>

Here's my take, and I think I've said it before - though a while back -
it's not specific to *nix, but my *nix experience (hobby though it was)
has helped in most everything I've done. I've played around on Unix (then
linux) since 1991 - mainly user stuff, but you pick up a thing or two -
especially if you have friends (or in my case husband as well) who is a
Unix admin.

When I made the move to IT professionally (and now into software
development) from secretarial work, I made sure I was involved in every
computer related project (or in fact, WAS the computer related project) at
my company - it was small, so it worked well - so I had some admin (tiny,
but there) , some installation and configuration, but most importantly
troubleshooting..I then did a fairly extensive job search which did take
nearly a month. I found a firm (consulting) who was able to read between
the lines and see the difference between what was on paper (sparse) and
how I could relate my knowledge (definitely more) - they got me into a
helpdesk position at a higher level than any other company was willing to
bet on me for, and managed to move into other areas fairly quickly (a heck
of a lot quicker than I would have ever thought) - because I wanted to go
into programming, had done a little bit of development professionally now
(very sparse) and had a programming course under my belt, I started my
next job search a month and a half before my contract ended...and found
another company that was willing to take the risk because they truly felt
and believed that I was willing, ready, and capable of learning, quickly,
efficiently, and could apply that knowledge. I've been in my new job for
almost a month, and already I've proven their initial risk a good one.

And like Mr. Zibowski, I too had been told that I was underexperienced and
overqualified at the same time at one position...it was actually something
I'd run into with more than a couple of positions during this last job
search *chuckle*...

Good luck - and keep plugging away - honestly - if you're new, being
flexible, and willing and able to adapt to any system is far more
important than looking for that one golden job in a *nix environment - if
you get into a large company, find a way to get involved in *nix projects
or at least test boxes. If you're in a small company, find a way to
include linux - 

Ah yes, with regards to Windoze - well...it's life and it's out there -
and I've designed a system that was 100% windoze even though my preference
was to install linux because it would be cheaper, better, etc...but
BUSINESS needs dictated a system that could be self-administered with
minimal outside help - especially since I was leaving the company and
wouldn't be an in-house resource at a company where while there are more
than a couple biotech gurus, not one of which I would consider computer
savvy at all - and all largely uncomfortable with computers in general.
I've remained on as network/system consultant on an
on-call/hourly/as-needed basis. It's now been over a year and a half since
I implemented the system. I've received somewhere around 6 calls and they
handle most of their stuff - the stuff I've been called in on have been
software upgrade installations...NO, it's not my preference, but sometimes
business needs do require it.

Take care, 
Liz Burke-Scovill

-- 
Imagination is intelligence having fun...
e-mail:  kethry@winternet.com
URL:  http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html


From destef at destef.com  Thu Jan 25 18:41:19 2001
From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:05 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Linux vs. NT -- guessing the future
In-Reply-To: <KIEJKEGIEEMCHPGDMCOFAEILCHAA.jsowers@osii.com>
References: <20010125143940.E2417@cesium.sistina.com>
Message-ID: <200101260040.f0Q0eZo20316@destef.com>

My 2 cents....

Windows (microsoft for that matter) will be around for a long time
because they appeal to the non-computer-literate as well as the
computer literate...Linux does not. My grandma can use windows,
but she isnt gonna be able to do much with Linux in its current state.
Another problem is that Microsoft is a "supported product" whereas
linux is not. What I mean by this is that MS is a big corp and can back
they're crummy products with service and support (and lord knows
that NT shops need their support). Linux can't offer that because no
company "owns" it. I work for a large corporation and what determines
what products we use is mainly how well a company can support it
and not just that, how stable the company is. We're a HP/NT/Oracle
shop to name the big ones. I personally think NT is too buggy and
unreliable, HP will die in 5-10 years (they will port their kernel to
linux is what i mean), and Oracle is way overpriced for what it offers
compared to other db's. But we use those products because they are
backed by large companys that have a good chance of NOT
disappearing in the future. Thats what matters to large companies
with all the money--its not how good of a product it is.

Linux will doom HP (and other *nix's) long before MS is doomed.
Linux will gain back web share and slowly gain ground in the server
market vs. NT but at some point it will even out--say 50%. But for
all those people who have jobs because of the bloatware, buggyness,
and complexity of NT...they are never gonna want to see a stable
OS take over cause they'll all be out of jobs. MS also has the market

firmly in hand in any software technology that thrives on a GUI and
fancy looks. We have to admit, graphics on MS platforms are pretty
sweet. Ever notice that the linux advocates dont have a problem
dealing with a CLI but all the windows advocates barely know their
way around DOS? Linux is also gaining ground mainly in areas
where a GUI is not necessary (web,ftp server, file server, etc.) but
not making much serious headway in areas where a GUI is needed
(such as applications). This is a sign that MS is safe for a while.

MS has about 5 years in my opinion to straighten up their act and
produce a stable server-class os or they risk people seriously 
looking to dump them for linux. This swing should co-incide around
the time that linux claims its first major victory in the OS market
which in my opinion will be HP's decision to port their OS to a linux
kernel (ie. run linux bins on an HP distro of linux). Once companies
see this happen they will put the pressure on MS to straighten up
or they will abandon MS as well. MS of course is not stupid and
will do something to quell that problem--perhaps a stripped down
microkernel that will run very stable and will only run specific
servies and NO GUI--cause we dont need a GUI on a box running
services (i wish they would figure this out).

The last major effect that could cause us to see a major change
in the industry is a recession. IT salaries are outragous (good for
me) because of suppy and demand. If our economy actually goes
into a recession (no, were not in one right now) then I think we'll
see salaries curb, fewer job oppourtinites due a slowing of hiring
and companies will get serious about cutting their IT costs and
put pressure on MS because of money and many will start looking at
linux and open source software. Just image the number of jobs
lost if the world doesnt need so many NT admins to fix what
constantly breaks on NT!!

Thats my crystal ball....



At 03:57 PM 1/25/01 -0600, you wrote:
>Regarding the "WIndows has it's place, and it's place is quickly shrinking."
>
>Where is the evidence for this?  I don't claim to be a know-all but I can't
>see where Windows is going away or even slowing down.  Now I am a huge Linux
>advocate, I just don't want to be dishonest to myself because that is what I
>would like to see.  Some would like to say it's the power of the mind, if
>you think it hard enough it will happen.  I think that sometimes we in the
>Linux community want to believe so badly that Linux or *nix can take over
>the M$ powers that be, we even start believeing it.  Linux is a better
>product, hands down, but M$ knows how to market, and they have lots and lots
>of power, copyright Janet Reno.
>
>Of course, this is my opinion, I could be wrong. (copyright Dennis Miller)
>
>____________________________________
>Jason Sowers
>Network Engineer
>Open Systems International
>3600 Holly Lane North Suite 40
>Minneapolis, MN 55447-1286
>Phone:  (763) 551-0559
>Fax:      (763) 551-1750
>Email: jsowers@osii.com <mailto:jsowers@osii.com>
>http:  www.osii.com <http://www.osii.com>  & www.e-scada.com
><http://www.e-scada.com>
>
>>Windows has it's place, and it's place is quickly
>>shrinking.
>
>
>--
>Thomas J. Hudak
>Systems Administrator
>Sistina Software Inc. - www.sistina.com
>Phone: 612.379.3951 Page: 612.318.1967
>Fax: 612.379.3952
>
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From blutgens at sistina.com  Thu Jan 25 11:33:34 2001
From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:05 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Entry Level *nix
In-Reply-To: <3A705839.4313B877@ltiflex.com>; from andyzb@ltiflex.com on Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 10:45:45AM -0600
References: <F2988V8zDv60gxapzha00002095@hotmail.com> <008e01c086e2$ee1eca20$991ea8c0@digitalriver.com> <3A705839.4313B877@ltiflex.com>
Message-ID: <20010125113334.B753@minime.sistina.com>

On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 10:45:45AM -0600, Andy Zbikowski wrote:
>Secondly, I can deal with Windows. At this point I have completely sworn off
>using anything but Windows 2000 on servers 

WHAT!?! I thought lti was a unix (or more apprpriately Debian Linux) shop.

>
>(with the exception of the
>database server that is still running NT4, and hasn't had an issue since it
>went on line. If it ain't broke...) If budjeting and client hardware allowed
>it, I'd probally move the workstations from NT4 to windows 2000. (Just don't
>bother with Windows 9x or Me). If I can find a thin client to fill our needs
>we will probally move in that direction (if I can smash some long
>outstanding bugs with our main windows application anyway...) But Windows is
>everywhere. Get over it, learn it. I can actually sleep at night when I
>recomment Windows 2000. Win2K isn't perfect, but it's a big step in the
>right direction. 

Man, I feel bad for you. How depressing your life must be that you've managed
to convince yourself that W2K is the answer....


IMO Doze admins are a dime a dozen, good unix admins are hard to find. Think
small and beat some pavement, show your tenacity and you'll be alright. You
gotta network. The LUG meetings are great places to this. Lots of companies
have people who go to the meetings and you might end up talking to someone who
say "Hey my company is hiring, I'll put in a good word for you"

Just my .02 (or less) 

Don't devote yourself to windows if that's not what you want to do. The bottom
line is, if you like your job, you'll do better at it. I'd gladly take less
pay over working with windows garbage.

(All opinions in this mail are just that if you're offended, don't read them
and for pete's sake don't get all riled up. I think windows sux, that's my
prerogative and maybe I'm worse off for it who cares)

-- 
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Sistina Software Inc.	work: 612.379.5941
Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator)
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From johndmiller at mn.mediaone.net  Thu Jan 25 19:44:29 2001
From: johndmiller at mn.mediaone.net (John Miller)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:05 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] mail headers
In-Reply-To: <OE22sJ3Ih7jtrSByh13000000c7@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20010125194128.00b9d9e0@pop.mn.mediaone.net>

I did a google search and check a few sites and this looked the most 
complete, I hope it helps.

http://www.dsv.su.se/jpalme/ietf/mail-headers/mail-headers.html#Heading6

John Miller

At 05:14 PM 1/25/01 -0600, you wrote:
>How do mail headers grab attachments?  I am writing a script to run in a
>webpage that automatically grabs a log file and emails it.  I want to attach
>it, and send it out.  In php you can write the mail header yourself, and I
>want to try to write the attachment in the header.  Any help would be
>appreciated.
>
>TIA
>
>Brett Astleford
>Platinum Design Group
>
>ps-if you can read headers you'll know I'm using outcrook, sorry...just
>using what my comp gives me :(
>_______________________________________________
>tclug-list mailing list
>tclug-list@mn-linux.org
>https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list



From jamie at getsetnet.net  Thu Jan 25 20:16:11 2001
From: jamie at getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:05 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Linux vs. NT -- guessing the future
In-Reply-To: <200101260040.f0Q0eZo20316@destef.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0101252002060.8164-100000@floyd.getsetnet.net>





   Here is my .01 cents...


    I agree with what Jason says for the most part, the only thing to bear
in mind is thatif we assume those ideas to be true we are operating under
the premise that there will be no "surprises". By surprises I mean you
never know when someone out there will come up with some off the wall idea
that will shake up the foundations of our best premonitions. 

   For example, we are operating under the assumption that Linux is too
advanced for the end user. I agree with this. But what if a company were
to come along and change that fact? Produce a distribution that is
absolutely dummy proof. Stripping away 95% of the functionality that comes
with most Linux distributions would make it easy for people who are
completely computer illiterate to install and run. Call it "Soft
Linux". There is no LILO dual booting setup. When you go to install it the
system automatically deletes all existing partitions. :-) It would be
Linux with training wheels. Have one desktop installation option, and
basically hardly no functions that can confuse even my own grandmother. A
big pink button that says START and STOP to control system
startup/shutdown...etc. (you get the idea). Look how much popularity MS
gained with this approach. Then my grandma would be able to use Linux, and
it would gain more popularity in the market, while the traditional distros
would be for more advanced installs such as those things required of a
server and whatnot. If people are willing to put up with a brain dead OS
like windoze, they would like a distro of Linux for themselves even more
since they could download it for free. 




     - Jamie


-- 
  "What's your excuse for getting through life unscathed?" --Anonymous


From tanner at real-time.com  Thu Jan 25 20:46:18 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:05 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Saint-3.1.2 and RedHat 7.0 = major disk grind
Message-ID: <20010125204618.C26567@real-time.com>

Anyone run saint-3.1.2 on RedHat 7.0 and get some major disk thrashing?

Even when I do a small scan of 20 hosts, saint consume all core and a large
chunck of VM and sits there for hours.

I am wondering if it's a perl 5.6 thing.

Anyone?

-- 
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http://www.mn-linux.org                 | Fax   : (952)943-8500
Key fingerprint =  6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 


From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu  Thu Jan 25 23:50:39 2001
From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:05 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] having computer sell off! 
In-Reply-To: <20010125113334.B753@minime.sistina.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.96.1010125233653.1742B-100000@tyr.med.umn.edu>

My frat brothers are pissed with my collection of computer equipment that
is sitting in our study room. I need to get rid of most of it asap.  

Item #1
I have an old compaq server for sale.  It has 80 megs of ram, 4 meg video
card, at at least 3 gigs of scsi hard disk and a cd rom, the processor is
a p60.  The asking price is 90 bucks or best offer.

Item #2
400mhz machine, asus p2b motherboard( I think it can take up to an 800),
64 megs of ram, 6 gig hd, soundblaster 128, matrox g200, 3com network,
and/or modem.  I have an old monitor that I'll throw in too.  I want 300
or best offer.

Other Stuff.
 I have several other pentium, 90-133mhz machines that would make nice
linux boxes. Just make an offer on those. I have a buch of 486 stuff that
I was going to bring to the meeting to give away, but I can't make it now. 

Thanks
Colin Kilbane
House Manager
Alpha Chi Sigma



From clay at fandre.com  Thu Jan 25 12:32:40 2001
From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:05 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Memory prices
Message-ID: <3A707148.7F9018D2@fandre.com>

I just checked out pricewatch and saw 256M PC-133 memory was only $67.
Anyone know if that is going to drop any lower, or should I go for it
now? I read something last week about memory prices going back up?
Anyone have any inside info?

http://www.pricewatch.com/1/33/1948-1.htm

From wilson at visi.com  Thu Jan 25 17:37:22 2001
From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:05 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] deb package for Webmin
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0101251735260.6775-100000@isis.visi.com>

Hey everyone,

Has anybody seen a .deb for the Webmin package anywhere? It doesn't seem to
be available from Debian officially. This looks like very cool software and
I've heard many good reports about it. Anyone have any experience with it?

-Tim

--
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From andyzib at ringworld.org  Fri Jan 26 00:47:50 2001
From: andyzib at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby))
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:05 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] having computer sell off!
References: <Pine.SGI.3.96.1010125233653.1742B-100000@tyr.med.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <3A711D96.9551A0FC@ringworld.org>

You're in a frat house for crying out loud. Convert the cases into beer
coolers or something. :)

-- 
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| http://www.ringworld.org  | Work: 763.428.9119 |
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From clay at fandre.com  Thu Jan 25 21:21:54 2001
From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:05 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Entry Level *nix
References: <F2988V8zDv60gxapzha00002095@hotmail.com>
	    <008e01c086e2$ee1eca20$991ea8c0@digitalriver.com>
	    <3A705839.4313B877@ltiflex.com> <20010125113334.B753@minime.sistina.com>
Message-ID: <3A70ED52.B50124A8@fandre.com>

Ben Lutgens wrote:
> 
> 
> IMO Doze admins are a dime a dozen, good unix admins are hard to find. Think
> small and beat some pavement, show your tenacity and you'll be alright. You
> gotta network. The LUG meetings are great places to this. Lots of companies
> have people who go to the meetings and you might end up talking to someone who
> say "Hey my company is hiring, I'll put in a good word for you"
> 

Well said.

> 
> (All opinions in this mail are just that if you're offended, don't read them
> and for pete's sake don't get all riled up. I think windows sux, that's my
> prerogative and maybe I'm worse off for it who cares)

Heh. This list just wouldn't be the same without you, Ben.

From mlboyko at concentric.net  Thu Jan 25 18:44:37 2001
From: mlboyko at concentric.net (Michael Boyko)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:05 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Linux modem problems
Message-ID: <200101260337.WAA28853@cliff.concentric.net>

Hiya,

I have Debian Linux installed on my computer and an external modem.
When I attempt to download anything (like the 2.4.0 kernel for example) my
download constantly cuts out. By this I mean, a connection (ftp or http)
starts, gets a download rate of about 4kb/sec, downloads for about 8
seconds, translating to around 30kb of data, and then it just stops
receiving.
This is very frustrating.

Now, I have tried 2 external modems, and get the same results. Also, I can
download things over a Windoze partition on the same box without these
problems.
I am using an external US Robotics 56k Faxmodem.

I don't see anything in the ppp logs. I also don't see anything in syslog.

If I am doing something like openssh or telnet, the connection does not
drop for a long time - perhaps because I am typing something in....but
after seemingly random amount of time, I will suddenly not be able to
converse with the other end. I end up having to drop my ppp connection and
reconnect to start again.

If it didn't work with Windoze either, I would guess it would be my ISP,
but since it works, I am not sure what is going on here.

____
Mike


From tanner at real-time.com  Fri Jan 26 01:16:14 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:05 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Emergency mailman upgrade
Message-ID: <20010126011614.A10230@real-time.com>

What   : Schedule maintenance
When   : 26-Jan-2001 01:00 CST
Length : estimated 45 mins
Why    : Patch to help clear out "stuck" queued files

Details
-------
There is a patch on sourceforge for the problem the mailing list has been
having.

Yes, the server is very busy, but the queued files just keep on increasing.
After watching qrunner for several hours I noticed that it hung on several
types of messages.

A quick post the the mailman devel list and viola! I got a patch.

We should be back in 45mins. 

Well, ok, the stuff is off line and this is going to sit in the MX host, so once
you get this it means we are back online. :-)

-- 
Bob Tanner <tanner@real-time.com>       | Phone : (952)943-8700
http://www.mn-linux.org                 | Fax   : (952)943-8500
Key fingerprint =  6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 


From clay at fandre.com  Fri Jan 26 04:51:14 2001
From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:05 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] deb package for Webmin
References: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0101251735260.6775-100000@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <3A7156A2.CAF2D3F3@fandre.com>

Timothy Wilson wrote:
> 
> Hey everyone,
> 
> Has anybody seen a .deb for the Webmin package anywhere? It doesn't seem to
> be available from Debian officially. This looks like very cool software and
> I've heard many good reports about it. Anyone have any experience with it?
> 

No, but there's not much to installing it. You just untar the file in
/usr/local and run the setup script. (Which also handles upgrading).
Very cool package. I'm currently working on a module to add NIS account
management support.

Clay

From seg at haxxed.com  Wed Jan 24 21:12:02 2001
From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:06 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] php files without an extension
References: <200101241420.GAA10129@pine.he.net>
Message-ID: <3A6F9982.9020204@haxxed.com>

thouck@thouck.com wrote:

> I don't see a specific question here, but I'll take a shot anyway.
> 
> I've done something similar to this in the past, configuring apache to
> parse .php *and* .html files as PHP.  There is a section in your
> httpd.conf file that looks like:
> 
> # The following is for PHP4 (conficts with PHP/FI, below):
> <IfModule mod_php4.c>
>   AddType application/x-httpd-php .php4 .php3 .phtml .php
>   AddType application/x-httpd-php-source .phps
> </IfModule>


Having every file parsed by php is not a good idea for performance 
reasons, I'd recommend setting up an .htaccess files that sets this up 
just for the directory the php in question is in... (You probably have 
to set up the master config to let .htaccess mess with such options...)


From destef at destef.com  Fri Jan 26 08:28:39 2001
From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:06 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] having computer sell off! 
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SGI.3.96.1010125233653.1742B-100000@tyr.med.umn.edu>
References: <20010125113334.B753@minime.sistina.com>
Message-ID: <200101261427.f0QERoo20831@destef.com>

I think you need to get rid of your frat brothers instead...

At 11:50 PM 1/25/01 -0600, you wrote:
>My frat brothers are pissed with my collection of computer equipment that
>is sitting in our study room. I need to get rid of most of it asap.  
>
>Item #1
>I have an old compaq server for sale.  It has 80 megs of ram, 4 meg video
>card, at at least 3 gigs of scsi hard disk and a cd rom, the processor is
>a p60.  The asking price is 90 bucks or best offer.
>
>Item #2
>400mhz machine, asus p2b motherboard( I think it can take up to an 800),
>64 megs of ram, 6 gig hd, soundblaster 128, matrox g200, 3com network,
>and/or modem.  I have an old monitor that I'll throw in too.  I want 300
>or best offer.
>
>Other Stuff.
> I have several other pentium, 90-133mhz machines that would make nice
>linux boxes. Just make an offer on those. I have a buch of 486 stuff that
>I was going to bring to the meeting to give away, but I can't make it now. 
>
>Thanks
>Colin Kilbane
>House Manager
>Alpha Chi Sigma
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>tclug-list mailing list
>tclug-list@mn-linux.org
>https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 


From bradyh at bitstream.net  Fri Jan 26 08:54:32 2001
From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:06 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Linux modem problems
In-Reply-To: <200101260337.WAA28853@cliff.concentric.net>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20010126083813.00bf6e60@mail.bitstream.net>

I was having a problem similar to this.  At least with certain web/ftp 
sites.  For instance I tried to download the Helix desktop about a hundred 
times and the connection would die within a couple minutes every 
time.  Windows downloads worked fine connected to the same modem pool at my 
ISP.  Then recently my ISP (Bitstream) switched me to a new modem pool and 
now my Linux downloads have stopped dying.

I would suggest trying a different ISP (like realtime.com which is 
supportive of Linux) or checking if your ISP can switch you to a new modem 
pool.

Brady

>Hiya,
>
>I have Debian Linux installed on my computer and an external modem.
>When I attempt to download anything (like the 2.4.0 kernel for example) my
>download constantly cuts out. By this I mean, a connection (ftp or http)
>starts, gets a download rate of about 4kb/sec, downloads for about 8
>seconds, translating to around 30kb of data, and then it just stops
>receiving.
>This is very frustrating.
>
>Now, I have tried 2 external modems, and get the same results. Also, I can
>download things over a Windoze partition on the same box without these
>problems.
>I am using an external US Robotics 56k Faxmodem.
>
>I don't see anything in the ppp logs. I also don't see anything in syslog.
>
>If I am doing something like openssh or telnet, the connection does not
>drop for a long time - perhaps because I am typing something in....but
>after seemingly random amount of time, I will suddenly not be able to
>converse with the other end. I end up having to drop my ppp connection and
>reconnect to start again.
>
>If it didn't work with Windoze either, I would guess it would be my ISP,
>but since it works, I am not sure what is going on here.
>
>____
>Mike
>
>_______________________________________________
>tclug-list mailing list
>tclug-list@mn-linux.org
>https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From Rodney.Ray at childrenshc.org  Fri Jan 26 09:12:33 2001
From: Rodney.Ray at childrenshc.org (Rodney Ray)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:06 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] having computer sell off!
Message-ID: <sa713f9a.019@Galaxy.childrenshc.org>

I will take one of the 486, or the one of the other 90-133, I need a firwall. Email me at rodney.ray@childrenshc.org

>>> colin@tyr.med.umn.edu 1/25/01 11:50:39 PM >>>
My frat brothers are pissed with my collection of computer equipment that
is sitting in our study room. I need to get rid of most of it asap.  

Item #1
I have an old compaq server for sale.  It has 80 megs of ram, 4 meg video
card, at at least 3 gigs of scsi hard disk and a cd rom, the processor is
a p60.  The asking price is 90 bucks or best offer.

Item #2
400mhz machine, asus p2b motherboard( I think it can take up to an 800),
64 megs of ram, 6 gig hd, soundblaster 128, matrox g200, 3com network,
and/or modem.  I have an old monitor that I'll throw in too.  I want 300
or best offer.

Other Stuff.
 I have several other pentium, 90-133mhz machines that would make nice
linux boxes. Just make an offer on those. I have a buch of 486 stuff that
I was going to bring to the meeting to give away, but I can't make it now. 

Thanks
Colin Kilbane
House Manager
Alpha Chi Sigma


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tclug-list mailing list
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From briceavila at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 26 09:14:59 2001
From: briceavila at hotmail.com (Brice Avila)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:06 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Entry Level *nix
Message-ID: <F22dmcdn1YcEBdyFj9Z00001eff@hotmail.com>

Get the certifications to get an entry-level job. I'm a DBA, and I meet a 
lot of people in my profession who have philosophy and zoology degrees, or 
no degrees at all. I know someone who got a masters in computer science, and 
he said it didn't help him get an entry-level position above those with 
certifications and bachelor's degrees in C.S. What you need is experience. 
Once you have that, it doesn't matter what your past is like.

One of the best career moves I made was to be in tech support. The hours 
were bad, and the clients crabby, but once you've solved every problem that 
others can throw at you, the next job is easy to move into. I had job offers 
over the phone from the clients who called.

I hear your next question. I don't think we have any positions, but if you 
want to send me your resume, I'll see if there is anything. Hope the advise 
helped.

Brice

>From: "Chris Opp" <cop7586@hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
>To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
>Subject: [TCLUG] Entry Level *nix
>Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 08:48:08 -0600
>
>
>
>
If someone was interested in getting an entry level position with *nix, how 
does someone who doesnt have a.) experience, and b.) the appropriate 
certifications or education to get the job? Let's take myself for example. I 
have a B.A. and no certs as of yet. I plan on doing the CCNA within the next 
6-12 months from now. I currently use Linux.  So, should I got back to 
school and try to get a Masters degree in computer science, or go to a tech 
school and get a 2 year degree in Unix? Any ideas?
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>Chris
>_________________________________________________________________
>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu  Fri Jan 26 09:42:46 2001
From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:06 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] having computer sell off!
In-Reply-To: <3A711D96.9551A0FC@ringworld.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.96.1010126094151.1742C-100000@tyr.med.umn.edu>

Only the full tower cases can hold a case.  I should makea kegerator out
of a sgi chalange case.

Colin


From lanbarnes at earthlink.net  Fri Jan 26 10:36:18 2001
From: lanbarnes at earthlink.net (Lan Barnes)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:06 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Linux vs. NT -- guessing the future
References: <20010125143940.E2417@cesium.sistina.com> <200101260040.f0Q0eZo20316@destef.com>
Message-ID: <3A71A782.2C1276B9@earthlink.net>

Jason DeStefano wrote:
> 
> My 2 cents....
> 
> Windows (microsoft for that matter) will be around for a long time
> because they appeal to the non-computer-literate as well as the
> computer literate...Linux does not. My grandma can use windows,
> but she isnt gonna be able to do much with Linux in its current state.
>

I can't speak to your grandmother's particular situation, but I've
installed Linux systems for word processing and web surfing for my
father-in-law and a family friend (female) both approaching 80. They do
just fine with it, and both of them come from a computer-free background.

When people don't have any prior training, the difference between learning
Win <nnnn> and Gnome/X is nonexistent, and the Linux systems are (if
anything) easier to set up. They also fit better into a retiree's budget.
Since Linux (unlike Windoze) tends to run better and faster with each
release (instead of needing spiraling increases in HW capacity to run), I
was able to set both up on pretty cheap boxes.

If you'd like, I can get your grandma in touch with them ;-)

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yet I still have it.
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From lanbarnes at earthlink.net  Fri Jan 26 11:21:21 2001
From: lanbarnes at earthlink.net (Lan Barnes)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:06 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Linux modem problems
References: <200101260337.WAA28853@cliff.concentric.net>
Message-ID: <3A71B211.BAFF7F1D@earthlink.net>

Michael Boyko wrote:
> 
> Hiya,
> 
> I have Debian Linux installed on my computer and an external modem.
> When I attempt to download anything (like the 2.4.0 kernel for example) my
> download constantly cuts out. By this I mean, a connection (ftp or http)
> starts, gets a download rate of about 4kb/sec, downloads for about 8
> seconds, translating to around 30kb of data, and then it just stops
> receiving.
> This is very frustrating.
> 
> Now, I have tried 2 external modems, and get the same results. Also, I can
> download things over a Windoze partition on the same box without these
> problems.
> I am using an external US Robotics 56k Faxmodem.
> 
>

Changing ISPs is probably good advice, and *please* be sure to tell both
the old and new one why you are changing (1) to help the old one get the
clue, and (2) to ensure that the new one will be better (or at least have a
chance to tell you their drop policy).

That said, you might want to try a trick -- sending a single periodic ping
to a known up site to keep your connection alive. My script for doing this
is:

#!/bin/bash
nohup ping -i 300 www.earthlink.net &> /dev/null &

I have it as a separate script because this is on my dial-up laptop
account, and I want to control starting and stopping it. I run it in an
xterm right after my dialer connects. Helps a lot.

HTH,

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From kent at structural-wood.com  Fri Jan 26 11:28:25 2001
From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:06 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Linux vs. NT -- guessing the future
References: <20010125143940.E2417@cesium.sistina.com> <200101260040.f0Q0eZo20316@destef.com> <3A71A782.2C1276B9@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <3A71B3B9.A4AFAEA@structural-wood.com>

Lan Barnes wrote:
> 
> Jason DeStefano wrote:
> >
> > My 2 cents....
> >
> > Windows (microsoft for that matter) will be around for a long time
> > because they appeal to the non-computer-literate as well as the
> > computer literate...Linux does not. My grandma can use windows,
> > but she isnt gonna be able to do much with Linux in its current state.
> >
> 
> I can't speak to your grandmother's particular situation, but I've
> installed Linux systems for word processing and web surfing for my
> father-in-law and a family friend (female) both approaching 80. They do
> just fine with it, and both of them come from a computer-free background.
> 
> When people don't have any prior training, the difference between learning
> Win <nnnn> and Gnome/X is nonexistent, and the Linux systems are (if
> anything) easier to set up. They also fit better into a retiree's budget.
> Since Linux (unlike Windoze) tends to run better and faster with each
> release (instead of needing spiraling increases in HW capacity to run), I
> was able to set both up on pretty cheap boxes.
> 
> If you'd like, I can get your grandma in touch with them ;-)
> 

I agree - I've set up my mother with a cheapo linux box, and she has run for a 
little over two years now with minimal problems.  

She has contacted some of her surviving classmates and has a lot of e-mail 
correspondence with them.  Whenever the subject of Windows comes up, my Mom 
always kind of shakes her head and says "Those poor windows users ...".
Apparently her friends have lots of problems.

Incidentally, watching my Mom operate a computer leaves me in no doubt about
where my hacker genes come from...

From nate at nerp.net  Fri Jan 26 15:53:41 2001
From: nate at nerp.net (Nate Sanders)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:06 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] deb package for Webmin
References: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0101251735260.6775-100000@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <3A71F1E4.EF97BEE5@nerp.net>

I've run webmin for a few years. You do not need a deb package to install it.
It's very very easy to do by hand and allows for more configuration.

Timothy Wilson wrote:

> Hey everyone,
>
> Has anybody seen a .deb for the Webmin package anywhere? It doesn't seem to
> be available from Debian officially. This looks like very cool software and
> I've heard many good reports about it. Anyone have any experience with it?
>
> -Tim
>
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From nate at nerp.net  Fri Jan 26 17:07:09 2001
From: nate at nerp.net (Nate Sanders)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:06 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] SLUG (Florida Meeting)
References: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0101251735260.6775-100000@isis.visi.com> <3A71F1E4.EF97BEE5@nerp.net>
Message-ID: <3A72031D.C93FBB62@nerp.net>

Anyone know anyone from down at the SLUG meeting in Florida. SLUG is the Suncoast LUG meeting in the Tampa area. I'm here in FL visiting my parents and thinking about checking out the meeting tomorrow at 9. Just curious what to expect from another states LUG meeting.

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From tanner at real-time.com  Fri Jan 26 17:24:50 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:06 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Snort INSTALL
Message-ID: <20010126172450.B21934@real-time.com>

Is there anything else to read other then the INSTALL for Snort?

I read almost everything on the snort web site and there does not seem to be a
step-by-step installation guide to snort.

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From blutgens at sistina.com  Fri Jan 26 17:38:05 2001
From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:06 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Box for sale
Message-ID: <20010126173805.A30772@minime.sistina.com>



Sorry for the spam, but since it's a linux box I figured you wouldn't mind =
:-)

Got some bad news and need to raise some cash. I have the following compute=
r for
sale. See way below for output from cat /proc/cpuinfo and dmesg.

It's a real fast, stable, desktop machine that I am gonna miss. I figure it=
's
worth about 1500.00 which is about half what I need to accumulate.

I'd even install a Dual Boot Debian and FreeBSD 4.2 for you if you wanted.
Ready to sell today.


PIII800 (It's overclocked to that, runs very cool and is rock solid)
Adaptec U160 SCSI Adapter
Quantum ATLAS V 18Gb SCSI HDD
Quantum Fireball ATA66 20.5 HDD
48X IDE CDROM
4x IDE CDR (Mitsumi I think works under linux of course)=20
Matrox G400 32MB Video Card
Logitech MouseManPlusPS/2
Happy Hacker Keyboard
Full Tower case with plenty of space
HDD Cooler.
ASUS P3V4X Mother Board (Pretty sure it's a 4xAGP motherboard and has ATA66=
 on
board and 133MHz FSB could be mistaken)

Optiquest Q71 17" Monitor (a couple years old but still quite nice)
SoundBlaster PCI128
Speakers (Nothing special two tweaters and a subwoofer)

#---- Cut dmesg output

Linux version 2.4.0 (root@debian) (gcc version 2.95.2 20000220 (Debian GNU/=
Linux)) #1 Fri Jan 26 16:24:25 CST 2001
BIOS-provided physical RAM map:
 BIOS-e820: 000000000009f800 @ 0000000000000000 (usable)
 BIOS-e820: 0000000000000800 @ 000000000009f800 (reserved)
 BIOS-e820: 0000000000010000 @ 00000000000f0000 (reserved)
 BIOS-e820: 000000000fefc000 @ 0000000000100000 (usable)
 BIOS-e820: 0000000000003000 @ 000000000fffc000 (ACPI data)
 BIOS-e820: 0000000000001000 @ 000000000ffff000 (ACPI NVS)
 BIOS-e820: 0000000000010000 @ 00000000ffff0000 (reserved)
Scan SMP from c0000000 for 1024 bytes.
Scan SMP from c009fc00 for 1024 bytes.
Scan SMP from c00f0000 for 65536 bytes.
Scan SMP from c009f800 for 4096 bytes.
On node 0 totalpages: 65532
zone(0): 4096 pages.
zone(1): 61436 pages.
zone(2): 0 pages.
mapped APIC to ffffe000 (01444000)
Kernel command line: auto BOOT_IMAGE=3DLinux ro root=3D302 BOOT_FILE=3D/boo=
t/vmlinuz=20
Initializing CPU#0
Detected 802.934 MHz processor.
Console: colour VGA+ 80x25
Calibrating delay loop... 1602.35 BogoMIPS
Memory: 255540k/262128k available (1049k kernel code, 6200k reserved, 376k =
data, 192k init, 0k highmem)
Dentry-cache hash table entries: 32768 (order: 6, 262144 bytes)
Buffer-cache hash table entries: 16384 (order: 4, 65536 bytes)
Page-cache hash table entries: 65536 (order: 6, 262144 bytes)
Inode-cache hash table entries: 16384 (order: 5, 131072 bytes)
CPU: Before vendor init, caps: 0383f9ff 00000000 00000000, vendor =3D 0
CPU: L1 I cache: 16K, L1 D cache: 16K
CPU: L2 cache: 256K
Intel machine check architecture supported.
Intel machine check reporting enabled on CPU#0.
CPU: After vendor init, caps: 0383f9ff 00000000 00000000 00000000
CPU: After generic, caps: 0383f9ff 00000000 00000000 00000000
CPU: Common caps: 0383f9ff 00000000 00000000 00000000
CPU: Intel Pentium III (Coppermine) stepping 03
Enabling fast FPU save and restore... done.
Enabling unmasked SIMD FPU exception support... done.
Checking 'hlt' instruction... OK.
POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX
mtrr: v1.37 (20001109) Richard Gooch (rgooch@atnf.csiro.au)
mtrr: detected mtrr type: Intel
PCI: PCI BIOS revision 2.10 entry at 0xf0890, last bus=3D1
PCI: Using configuration type 1
PCI: Probing PCI hardware
Unknown bridge resource 0: assuming transparent
PCI: Using IRQ router VIA [1106/0596] at 00:04.0
Activating ISA DMA hang workarounds.
isapnp: Scanning for Pnp cards...
isapnp: No Plug & Play device found
Linux NET4.0 for Linux 2.4
Based upon Swansea University Computer Society NET3.039
DMI 2.3 present.
48 structures occupying 1392 bytes.
DMI table at 0x000F1F30.
BIOS Vendor: Award Software, Inc.
BIOS Version: ASUS P3V4X ACPI BIOS Revision 1003
BIOS Release: 03/14/2000
System Vendor: System Manufacturer.
Product Name: System Name.
Version System Version.
Serial Number SYS-1234567890.
Board Vendor: ASUSTeK Computer INC..
Board Name: P3V4X.
Board Version: REV 1.xx.
Asset Tag: Asset-1234567890.
Starting kswapd v1.8
pty: 256 Unix98 ptys configured
Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 6.31
ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=3D=
xx
VP_IDE: IDE controller on PCI bus 00 dev 21
VP_IDE: chipset revision 16
VP_IDE: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later
VP_IDE: VIA vt82c596b IDE UDMA66 controller on pci0:4.1
    ide0: BM-DMA at 0xd800-0xd807, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:pio
    ide1: BM-DMA at 0xd808-0xd80f, BIOS settings: hdc:DMA, hdd:DMA
hda: QUANTUM FIREBALLP LM20.5, ATA DISK drive
hdc: FX4820T, ATAPI CDROM drive
hdd: CR-4801TE, ATAPI CDROM drive
ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14
ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15
hda: 40132503 sectors (20548 MB) w/1900KiB Cache, CHS=3D2498/255/63, UDMA(6=
6)
Partition check:
 /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0: p1 p2
Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M
FDC 0 is a post-1991 82077
Serial driver version 5.02 (2000-08-09) with MANY_PORTS SHARE_IRQ SERIAL_PC=
I ISAPNP enabled
ttyS00 at 0x03f8 (irq =3D 4) is a 16550A
ttyS01 at 0x02f8 (irq =3D 3) is a 16550A
eepro100.c:v1.09j-t 9/29/99 Donald Becker http://cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov/linux=
/drivers/eepro100.html
eepro100.c: $Revision: 1.35 $ 2000/11/17 Modified by Andrey V. Savochkin <s=
aw@saw.sw.com.sg> and others
PCI: Found IRQ 10 for device 00:0c.0
eth0: Intel Corporation 82557 [Ethernet Pro 100], 00:D0:B7:6C:1F:21, IRQ 10.
  Receiver lock-up bug exists -- enabling work-around.
  Board assembly 741462-003, Physical connectors present: RJ45
  Primary interface chip i82555 PHY #1.
  General self-test: passed.
  Serial sub-system self-test: passed.
  Internal registers self-test: passed.
  ROM checksum self-test: passed (0x04f4518b).
SCSI subsystem driver Revision: 1.00
PCI: Found IRQ 11 for device 00:0d.0
PCI: The same IRQ used for device 00:04.2
(scsi0) <Adaptec AIC-7892 Ultra 160/m SCSI host adapter> found at PCI 0/13/0
(scsi0) Wide Channel, SCSI ID=3D7, 32/255 SCBs
(scsi0) Downloading sequencer code... 392 instructions downloaded
scsi0 : Adaptec AHA274x/284x/294x (EISA/VLB/PCI-Fast SCSI) 5.2.1/5.2.0
       <Adaptec AIC-7892 Ultra 160/m SCSI host adapter>
(scsi0:0:4:0) Synchronous at 80.0 Mbyte/sec, offset 63.
  Vendor: QUANTUM   Model: ATLAS_V_18_WLS    Rev: 0230
  Type:   Direct-Access                      ANSI SCSI revision: 03
Detected scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 4, lun 0
SCSI device sda: 35861388 512-byte hdwr sectors (18361 MB)
 /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target4/lun0: p1 p2 p3 p4
 sda3: <bsd: p5 p6 p7 p8 >
es1371: version v0.27 time 16:26:05 Jan 26 2001
es1371: found chip, vendor id 0x1274 device id 0x1371 revision 0x07
PCI: Found IRQ 5 for device 00:0a.0
es1371: found es1371 rev 7 at io 0xd000 irq 5
es1371: features: joystick 0x0
ac97_codec: AC97 Audio codec, id: 0x8384:0x7608 (SigmaTel STAC9708)
Linux PCMCIA Card Services 3.1.22
  options:  [pci] [cardbus] [pm]
usb.c: registered new driver hub
PCI: Found IRQ 11 for device 00:04.2
PCI: The same IRQ used for device 00:0d.0
uhci.c: USB UHCI at I/O 0xd400, IRQ 11
uhci.c: detected 2 ports
usb.c: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 1
hub.c: USB hub found
hub.c: 2 ports detected
usb.c: registered new driver usb-storage
USB Mass Storage support registered.
NET4: Linux TCP/IP 1.0 for NET4.0
IP Protocols: ICMP, UDP, TCP, IGMP
IP: routing cache hash table of 2048 buckets, 16Kbytes
TCP: Hash tables configured (established 16384 bind 16384)
NET4: Unix domain sockets 1.0/SMP for Linux NET4.0.
devfs: v0.102 (20000622) Richard Gooch (rgooch@atnf.csiro.au)
devfs: boot_options: 0x0
VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly.
Mounted devfs on /dev
Freeing unused kernel memory: 192k freed
uhci.c: root-hub INT complete: port1: 58a port2: 5ab data: 6
hub.c: USB new device connect on bus1/2, assigned device number 2
usb.c: USB device 2 (vend/prod 0x46d/0xc002) is not claimed by any active d=
river.
uhci.c: root-hub INT complete: port1: 588 port2: 5a5 data: 2
Adding Swap: 120480k swap-space (priority -1)
mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice
Real Time Clock Driver v1.10d
scsi1 : SCSI host adapter emulation for IDE ATAPI devices
  Vendor: MITSUMI   Model: CD-ROM FX4820T!B  Rev: D03A
  Type:   CD-ROM                             ANSI SCSI revision: 02
  Vendor: MITSUMI   Model: CR-4801TE         Rev: 2.03
  Type:   CD-ROM                             ANSI SCSI revision: 02
Linux agpgart interface v0.99 (c) Jeff Hartmann
agpgart: Maximum main memory to use for agp memory: 203M
agpgart: Detected Via Apollo Pro chipset
agpgart: AGP aperture is 256M @ 0xd0000000
[drm] AGP 0.99 on VIA Apollo Pro @ 0xd0000000 256MB
[drm] Initialized mga 2.0.1 20000928 on minor 63

### Cut cpuinfo.txt

processor	: 0
vendor_id	: GenuineIntel
cpu family	: 6
model		: 8
model name	: Pentium III (Coppermine)
stepping	: 3
cpu MHz		: 802.934
cache size	: 256 KB
fdiv_bug	: no
hlt_bug		: no
f00f_bug	: no
coma_bug	: no
fpu		: yes
fpu_exception	: yes
cpuid level	: 2
wp		: yes
flags		: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36=
 mmx fxsr sse
bogomips	: 1602.35


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From clay at fandre.com  Fri Jan 26 18:25:47 2001
From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:06 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Box for sale
References: <20010126173805.A30772@minime.sistina.com>
Message-ID: <3A72158B.AA595140@fandre.com>

Ben Lutgens wrote:
> 
> Sorry for the spam, but since it's a linux box I figured you wouldn't mind =
> :-)
> 
> Got some bad news and need to raise some cash. I have the following compute=
> r for
> sale. See way below for output from cat /proc/cpuinfo and dmesg.
> 
> It's a real fast, stable, desktop machine that I am gonna miss. I figure it=
> 's
> worth about 1500.00 which is about half what I need to accumulate.

You're not in trouble with the Mob or anything, are you? Got some inside
info on the game on Sunday? Going for it all, huh?

From tanner at real-time.com  Fri Jan 26 18:43:47 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:06 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] ifconfig -a under Redhat
Message-ID: <20010126184347.F24812@real-time.com>

Shouldn't ifconfig -a under RedHat return if the interface is in promiscous
mode?

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From andy at theasis.com  Fri Jan 26 19:02:04 2001
From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:07 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] ifconfig -a under Redhat
In-Reply-To: <20010126184347.F24812@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0101261901080.17660-100000@desmodus.theasis.com>

I've found this to be true, AFAIK:

   if a single -a argument is given, it dis?
   plays the status of all interfaces, even  
   those  that  are down

...unless, of course, it's broken (hacked?)

Andy

On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Bob Tanner wrote:

> Shouldn't ifconfig -a under RedHat return if the interface is in promiscous
> mode?
> 
> 


From blayer at qwest.net  Fri Jan 26 19:38:19 2001
From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:07 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Question about XFree86 4.x
Message-ID: <200101270152.f0R1q2l20501@sprite.real-time.com>

1/25/01 8:26:17 AM, "Austad, Jay" <austad@marketwatch.com> wrote:

>What window manager are you using?  Did you try a different one?

For that matter, which driver are you specifying in the 'device' section of
your /etc/X11/XF86Config file? If it is currently using one of the accelerated drivers, 
you might consider switching it to the VGA or SVGA drivers for testing. 

Just a thought..

-Bill


From chrome at real-time.com  Fri Jan 26 22:55:50 2001
From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:07 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Debian g++ and gcc package problem
Message-ID: <20010126225550.C27376@real-time.com>

I was just trying to compile OpenOffice, and it turns out to need g++. my
shiny new Debian box only has gcc (2.95.3) installed; not g++.

so I tried 'apt-get install g++'... at which point it complained that g++
needed gcc < 2.95.3. (and did say something about the package being broken).

so what should I do? wait a few days for some debian maintainer to do something about this? 
is there a way/should I force it somehow?

Carl.
-- 
Network Engineer
Real-Time Enterprises
(952) 943-8700

From labmat at mn.mediaone.net  Fri Jan 26 23:02:27 2001
From: labmat at mn.mediaone.net (Matthew M. LaBerge)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:07 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Linux vs. NT -- guessing the future
In-Reply-To: <3A71A782.2C1276B9@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <PGEALFAHLOADOPBLFBKIAEAJCAAA.labmat@mn.mediaone.net>

The only thing I have to say about Linux vs. Windows (trust me I love Linux)
since the majority of people use windows and the majority of programs and
stupid downloads are for windows, gramps might have a hard time
understanding why he cant install the playboy screensaver he just got from
his buddy down the street.  Now I know I'm going to get flamed but I think
even though Linux is just as easy to use as windows for people new to
computers.   You might find a compatibility problem and frustrated
grandparents, I would stick with windows for family members and relatives
save Linux for friends.

Matthew LaBerge
labmat@mn.mediaone.net

-----Original Message-----
From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On
Behalf Of Lan Barnes
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 10:36 AM
To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Linux vs. NT -- guessing the future

Jason DeStefano wrote:
>
> My 2 cents....
>
> Windows (microsoft for that matter) will be around for a long time
> because they appeal to the non-computer-literate as well as the
> computer literate...Linux does not. My grandma can use windows,
> but she isnt gonna be able to do much with Linux in its current state.
>

I can't speak to your grandmother's particular situation, but I've
installed Linux systems for word processing and web surfing for my
father-in-law and a family friend (female) both approaching 80. They do
just fine with it, and both of them come from a computer-free background.

When people don't have any prior training, the difference between learning
Win <nnnn> and Gnome/X is nonexistent, and the Linux systems are (if
anything) easier to set up. They also fit better into a retiree's budget.
Since Linux (unlike Windoze) tends to run better and faster with each
release (instead of needing spiraling increases in HW capacity to run), I
was able to set both up on pretty cheap boxes.

If you'd like, I can get your grandma in touch with them ;-)

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From esper at sherohman.org  Sat Jan 27 01:08:17 2001
From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:07 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Debian g++ and gcc package problem
In-Reply-To: <20010126225550.C27376@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 10:55:50PM -0600
References: <20010126225550.C27376@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010127010817.B1376@sherohman.org>

On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 10:55:50PM -0600, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote:
> I was just trying to compile OpenOffice, and it turns out to need g++. my
> shiny new Debian box only has gcc (2.95.3) installed; not g++.

You must be tracking unstable, then?  I use testing and I've got 2.95.2,
so...

> so what should I do? wait a few days for some debian maintainer to do something about this? 
> is there a way/should I force it somehow?

If you don't mind waiting, it should clear itself up within a day or two.  If
you want it sooner, I would download the gcc 2.95.2 deb and use dpkg to
install it manually.  (dpkg will complain about upgrading to an older
version, but once you confirm that it's what you want to do, everything will
go fine.)  That should work fine for you, except for the possible case of
running into any other packages which require gcc >= 2.95.3; if that happens,
you'll have to either track down and downgrade all of them or wait for things
in unstable to stabilize.

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From philj80 at netscape.net  Sat Jan 27 06:37:43 2001
From: philj80 at netscape.net (Philip Forst)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:07 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Apache/PHP/Database/html Forms Interaction
Message-ID: <0DA321D3.649AD5F8.0020EA2F@netscape.net>

I have been using Apache and various Linux distributions (Mandrake and Red Hat) for a few years now.  I am not a guru, but comfortable with both.  

I am now moving into a new arena: php and databases interacting with Apache.  I have the howtos for php and some documentation for PostgreSQL.  That documentation is fine in itself, but does not outline the process for what I want to do.

I would like to set up a webpage where people fill out surveys/questionnaires about customer satisfaction, needs, etc.  In effect, users would be completing an html form and hitting a "submit" button.  The information in the form would then be submitted to a database as a single record.  

The problem is that I have been unable to find doucmentation/sites that outline how a form should be set up -- and php/database configuration--  so that it can be properly entered into the database.  Can anyone suggest documetation/sites that would outline such a process?  It seems as though php is a necesary part of the process -- am I incorrect?

I am comfortable with editing html -- I do not use a WYSIWYG editor.  

P.S.
Does anyone have recommendations of PostgreSQL vs Interbase.  I know about MySQL, but it is not as ANSI-92 compliant as PostgreSQL or Interbase.

Any assistance is appreciated.
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From destef at destef.com  Sat Jan 27 08:19:06 2001
From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:07 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] ifconfig -a under Redhat
In-Reply-To: <20010126184347.F24812@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <200101271418.f0REIHo21693@destef.com>

Yes:

eth0	Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:40:05:A3:61:4C
			inet addr:65.25.xxx.xxx  Bcast:255.255.255.255  Mask:255.255.254.0
			UP BROADCAST RUNNING PROMISC  MTU:1500  Metric:1


At 06:43 PM 1/26/01 -0600, you wrote:
>Shouldn't ifconfig -a under RedHat return if the interface is in promiscous
>mode?
>
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From destef at destef.com  Sat Jan 27 08:31:00 2001
From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:07 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Apache/PHP/Database/html Forms Interaction
In-Reply-To: <0DA321D3.649AD5F8.0020EA2F@netscape.net>
Message-ID: <200101271430.f0REUAo21726@destef.com>

I do lots of web form/database interaction with HTML,MySQL and C. If you
can hack some
basic C code its very easy to do. Here's a quick descr of what it does.

You write an HTML form (javascript, whatever) that submits its data via a GET
or a POST.
Instead of a "cgi script" you write a C program that takes the input from the
form and parses it out. GET's and POST's are handled two different ways
when parsing.
In your C code you open a connection to a MySQL database, take the submitted
data, and write an SQL query using the mysqlclient.so lib's C functions.
Return an HTML page of the results to make the use feel good about what they
did and your done.
The code to parse HTML is very small (in fact I wrote my own snippet of code
I'd probably share with anyone who begs enough :) so you dont have to deal
with cgi libs to parse the data.
The MySQL code is about 5-10 lines long to open,do a query, and close.
very simple!!

And personally I wouldnt worry about ANSI-whatever compliance. NASA dumped
oracle for MySQL so it holds some weight.

Jason

PS. The C code can be replaced with perl or any other scripting language (god
forbid you use either) that has a lib into mysql. Of course your customers
will
be amazed at the speed of you site if you use C. :)

At 07:37 AM 1/27/01 -0500, you wrote:
>I have been using Apache and various Linux distributions (Mandrake and Red
Hat) for a few years now.  I am not a guru, but comfortable with both.  
>
>I am now moving into a new arena: php and databases interacting with
Apache.  I have the howtos for php and some documentation for PostgreSQL.
That documentation is fine in itself, but does not outline the process for
what I want to do.
>
>I would like to set up a webpage where people fill out
surveys/questionnaires about customer satisfaction, needs, etc.  In effect,
users would be completing an html form and hitting a "submit" button.  The
information in the form would then be submitted to a database as a single
record.  
>
>The problem is that I have been unable to find doucmentation/sites that
outline how a form should be set up -- and php/database configuration--  so
that it can be properly entered into the database.  Can anyone suggest
documetation/sites that would outline such a process?  It seems as though
php is a necesary part of the process -- am I incorrect?
>
>I am comfortable with editing html -- I do not use a WYSIWYG editor.  
>
>P.S.
>Does anyone have recommendations of PostgreSQL vs Interbase.  I know about
MySQL, but it is not as ANSI-92 compliant as PostgreSQL or Interbase.
>
>Any assistance is appreciated.
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>Federal Highway Administration
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From mtsqph at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 27 08:36:56 2001
From: mtsqph at yahoo.com (grey Moon-Wolf)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:07 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Debian g++ and gcc package problem
Message-ID: <20010127143656.57657.qmail@web10314.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Dave Sherohman <esper@sherohman.org> wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 10:55:50PM -0600, Carl
> Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote:
> > I was just trying to compile OpenOffice, and it
> turns out to need g++. my
> > shiny new Debian box only has gcc (2.95.3)
> installed; not g++.
> 
> You must be tracking unstable, then?  I use testing
> and I've got 2.95.2,
> so...
> 
> > so what should I do? wait a few days for some
> debian maintainer to do something about this? 
> > is there a way/should I force it somehow?
> 
> If you don't mind waiting, it should clear itself up
> within a day or two. 
Dave,
Could you please explain, how does it clear itself up
in "a day or two"? I have not worked with Debian, only
RedHat Packages.... Is this a system function or is it
considered 'self resolving' or is it a matter of the
person who wrote being a user at a workstation, and
relying on the System Administration..? On these
points I am not clear and would like to know as I have
had trouble with trying out "Storm, rain release". Any
answer on this would be to my edification, please
reply. 
Manuel... on the hybrid box... 




 If
> you want it sooner, I would download the gcc 2.95.2
> deb and use dpkg to
> install it manually.  (dpkg will complain about
> upgrading to an older
> version, but once you confirm that it's what you
> want to do, everything will
> go fine.)  That should work fine for you, except for
> the possible case of
> running into any other packages which require gcc >=
> 2.95.3; if that happens,
> you'll have to either track down and downgrade all
> of them or wait for things
> in unstable to stabilize.
> 
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From esper at sherohman.org  Sat Jan 27 09:42:09 2001
From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:07 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Debian g++ and gcc package problem
In-Reply-To: <20010127143656.57657.qmail@web10314.mail.yahoo.com>; from mtsqph@yahoo.com on Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 06:36:56AM -0800
References: <20010127143656.57657.qmail@web10314.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20010127094209.A2600@sherohman.org>

On Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 06:36:56AM -0800, grey Moon-Wolf wrote:
> Could you please explain, how does it clear itself up
> in "a day or two"?

Debian currently maintains three versions, all of which are publically-
accessible:

unstable (sid) - The latest and greatest.  Package maintainers are
updating it daily to make fixes or include new features from the
upstream source.  Despite the name, it's generally pretty solid and
if any killer problems are introduced (such as Carl's g++ dependency
problem), users invariably find them quickly (a lot of people run
unstable on non-critical boxes) and they're generally fixed by the
package maintainers the next day.

testing (woody) - Testing was just introduced within the last couple
of months.  Packages are automatically copied from unstable to testing
when they meet certain criteria, including having gone 2 weeks without
being changed, not having any critical bugs, and having all dependencies
present in testing.  This 2-week delay smooths out most of the problems
that pop up in unstable, but it's not quite as current.

stable (potato) - The latest official release version.  Aside from
security updates, stable only changes once every few months when a
point release comes out.  When reviewers complain about Debian having
an absurdly long release cycle and only including outdated versions of
software, they're talking about stable.

So, to more directly answer your question, Carl's dependency problem
should go away soon (and may have gone away already) as a result of
gcc's maintainer submitting an updated gcc package to unstable which
will satisfy the version constraint in the current unstable g++ package.

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From blutgens at sistina.com  Sat Jan 27 12:11:06 2001
From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:07 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Box for sale
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0101271105400.75840-100000@fuggle.veldy.net>; from veldy@veldy.net on Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 11:08:03AM -0600
References: <20010126173805.A30772@minime.sistina.com> <Pine.BSF.4.21.0101271105400.75840-100000@fuggle.veldy.net>
Message-ID: <20010127121106.A10344@minime.sistina.com>

On Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 11:08:03AM -0600, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
>This looks like a nice box, but I don't believe it is worth even close to
>$1500.  I noted you privately so as to not hurt your chances. 

I would come down some, I was hoping someone would mail me to at least make an
offer. Guess I'll just keep it if noone wants it.

>
>I just picked up a box from TranMicro that I put together with an Athlon
>TBird 1Gig, Asus TBird board, sound system, 128MB PC133, 20 Gig ATA100
>drive, GeForce2 Deluxe 32MB Video and SBLive Value OEM card for $1400
>after tax.  Case, fans, all included - just no monitor.  No
>overclocking.  I wish you luck, buy you should consider coming down on
>price.
>
>Tom Veldhouse
>veldy@veldy.net
>
>
>On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Ben Lutgens wrote:
>
>> 
>> 
>> Sorry for the spam, but since it's a linux box I figured you wouldn't mind =
>> :-)
>> 
>> Got some bad news and need to raise some cash. I have the following compute=
>> r for
>> sale. See way below for output from cat /proc/cpuinfo and dmesg.
>> 
>> It's a real fast, stable, desktop machine that I am gonna miss. I figure it=
>> 's
>> worth about 1500.00 which is about half what I need to accumulate.
>> 
>> I'd even install a Dual Boot Debian and FreeBSD 4.2 for you if you wanted.
>> Ready to sell today.
>> 
>> 
>> PIII800 (It's overclocked to that, runs very cool and is rock solid)
>> Adaptec U160 SCSI Adapter
>> Quantum ATLAS V 18Gb SCSI HDD
>> Quantum Fireball ATA66 20.5 HDD
>> 48X IDE CDROM
>> 4x IDE CDR (Mitsumi I think works under linux of course)=20
>> Matrox G400 32MB Video Card
>> Logitech MouseManPlusPS/2
>> Happy Hacker Keyboard
>> Full Tower case with plenty of space
>> HDD Cooler.
>> ASUS P3V4X Mother Board (Pretty sure it's a 4xAGP motherboard and has ATA66=
>>  on
>> board and 133MHz FSB could be mistaken)
>> 
>> Optiquest Q71 17" Monitor (a couple years old but still quite nice)
>> SoundBlaster PCI128
>> Speakers (Nothing special two tweaters and a subwoofer)
>> 
>> #---- Cut dmesg output
>> 
>> Linux version 2.4.0 (root@debian) (gcc version 2.95.2 20000220 (Debian GNU/=
>> Linux)) #1 Fri Jan 26 16:24:25 CST 2001
>> BIOS-provided physical RAM map:
>>  BIOS-e820: 000000000009f800 @ 0000000000000000 (usable)
>>  BIOS-e820: 0000000000000800 @ 000000000009f800 (reserved)
>>  BIOS-e820: 0000000000010000 @ 00000000000f0000 (reserved)
>>  BIOS-e820: 000000000fefc000 @ 0000000000100000 (usable)
>>  BIOS-e820: 0000000000003000 @ 000000000fffc000 (ACPI data)
>>  BIOS-e820: 0000000000001000 @ 000000000ffff000 (ACPI NVS)
>>  BIOS-e820: 0000000000010000 @ 00000000ffff0000 (reserved)
>> Scan SMP from c0000000 for 1024 bytes.
>> Scan SMP from c009fc00 for 1024 bytes.
>> Scan SMP from c00f0000 for 65536 bytes.
>> Scan SMP from c009f800 for 4096 bytes.
>> On node 0 totalpages: 65532
>> zone(0): 4096 pages.
>> zone(1): 61436 pages.
>> zone(2): 0 pages.
>> mapped APIC to ffffe000 (01444000)
>> Kernel command line: auto BOOT_IMAGE=3DLinux ro root=3D302 BOOT_FILE=3D/boo=
>> t/vmlinuz=20
>> Initializing CPU#0
>> Detected 802.934 MHz processor.
>> Console: colour VGA+ 80x25
>> Calibrating delay loop... 1602.35 BogoMIPS
>> Memory: 255540k/262128k available (1049k kernel code, 6200k reserved, 376k =
>> data, 192k init, 0k highmem)
>> Dentry-cache hash table entries: 32768 (order: 6, 262144 bytes)
>> Buffer-cache hash table entries: 16384 (order: 4, 65536 bytes)
>> Page-cache hash table entries: 65536 (order: 6, 262144 bytes)
>> Inode-cache hash table entries: 16384 (order: 5, 131072 bytes)
>> CPU: Before vendor init, caps: 0383f9ff 00000000 00000000, vendor =3D 0
>> CPU: L1 I cache: 16K, L1 D cache: 16K
>> CPU: L2 cache: 256K
>> Intel machine check architecture supported.
>> Intel machine check reporting enabled on CPU#0.
>> CPU: After vendor init, caps: 0383f9ff 00000000 00000000 00000000
>> CPU: After generic, caps: 0383f9ff 00000000 00000000 00000000
>> CPU: Common caps: 0383f9ff 00000000 00000000 00000000
>> CPU: Intel Pentium III (Coppermine) stepping 03
>> Enabling fast FPU save and restore... done.
>> Enabling unmasked SIMD FPU exception support... done.
>> Checking 'hlt' instruction... OK.
>> POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX
>> mtrr: v1.37 (20001109) Richard Gooch (rgooch@atnf.csiro.au)
>> mtrr: detected mtrr type: Intel
>> PCI: PCI BIOS revision 2.10 entry at 0xf0890, last bus=3D1
>> PCI: Using configuration type 1
>> PCI: Probing PCI hardware
>> Unknown bridge resource 0: assuming transparent
>> PCI: Using IRQ router VIA [1106/0596] at 00:04.0
>> Activating ISA DMA hang workarounds.
>> isapnp: Scanning for Pnp cards...
>> isapnp: No Plug & Play device found
>> Linux NET4.0 for Linux 2.4
>> Based upon Swansea University Computer Society NET3.039
>> DMI 2.3 present.
>> 48 structures occupying 1392 bytes.
>> DMI table at 0x000F1F30.
>> BIOS Vendor: Award Software, Inc.
>> BIOS Version: ASUS P3V4X ACPI BIOS Revision 1003
>> BIOS Release: 03/14/2000
>> System Vendor: System Manufacturer.
>> Product Name: System Name.
>> Version System Version.
>> Serial Number SYS-1234567890.
>> Board Vendor: ASUSTeK Computer INC..
>> Board Name: P3V4X.
>> Board Version: REV 1.xx.
>> Asset Tag: Asset-1234567890.
>> Starting kswapd v1.8
>> pty: 256 Unix98 ptys configured
>> Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 6.31
>> ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=3D=
>> xx
>> VP_IDE: IDE controller on PCI bus 00 dev 21
>> VP_IDE: chipset revision 16
>> VP_IDE: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later
>> VP_IDE: VIA vt82c596b IDE UDMA66 controller on pci0:4.1
>>     ide0: BM-DMA at 0xd800-0xd807, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:pio
>>     ide1: BM-DMA at 0xd808-0xd80f, BIOS settings: hdc:DMA, hdd:DMA
>> hda: QUANTUM FIREBALLP LM20.5, ATA DISK drive
>> hdc: FX4820T, ATAPI CDROM drive
>> hdd: CR-4801TE, ATAPI CDROM drive
>> ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14
>> ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15
>> hda: 40132503 sectors (20548 MB) w/1900KiB Cache, CHS=3D2498/255/63, UDMA(6=
>> 6)
>> Partition check:
>>  /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0: p1 p2
>> Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M
>> FDC 0 is a post-1991 82077
>> Serial driver version 5.02 (2000-08-09) with MANY_PORTS SHARE_IRQ SERIAL_PC=
>> I ISAPNP enabled
>> ttyS00 at 0x03f8 (irq =3D 4) is a 16550A
>> ttyS01 at 0x02f8 (irq =3D 3) is a 16550A
>> eepro100.c:v1.09j-t 9/29/99 Donald Becker http://cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov/linux=
>> /drivers/eepro100.html
>> eepro100.c: $Revision: 1.35 $ 2000/11/17 Modified by Andrey V. Savochkin <s=
>> aw@saw.sw.com.sg> and others
>> PCI: Found IRQ 10 for device 00:0c.0
>> eth0: Intel Corporation 82557 [Ethernet Pro 100], 00:D0:B7:6C:1F:21, IRQ 10.
>>   Receiver lock-up bug exists -- enabling work-around.
>>   Board assembly 741462-003, Physical connectors present: RJ45
>>   Primary interface chip i82555 PHY #1.
>>   General self-test: passed.
>>   Serial sub-system self-test: passed.
>>   Internal registers self-test: passed.
>>   ROM checksum self-test: passed (0x04f4518b).
>> SCSI subsystem driver Revision: 1.00
>> PCI: Found IRQ 11 for device 00:0d.0
>> PCI: The same IRQ used for device 00:04.2
>> (scsi0) <Adaptec AIC-7892 Ultra 160/m SCSI host adapter> found at PCI 0/13/0
>> (scsi0) Wide Channel, SCSI ID=3D7, 32/255 SCBs
>> (scsi0) Downloading sequencer code... 392 instructions downloaded
>> scsi0 : Adaptec AHA274x/284x/294x (EISA/VLB/PCI-Fast SCSI) 5.2.1/5.2.0
>>        <Adaptec AIC-7892 Ultra 160/m SCSI host adapter>
>> (scsi0:0:4:0) Synchronous at 80.0 Mbyte/sec, offset 63.
>>   Vendor: QUANTUM   Model: ATLAS_V_18_WLS    Rev: 0230
>>   Type:   Direct-Access                      ANSI SCSI revision: 03
>> Detected scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 4, lun 0
>> SCSI device sda: 35861388 512-byte hdwr sectors (18361 MB)
>>  /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target4/lun0: p1 p2 p3 p4
>>  sda3: <bsd: p5 p6 p7 p8 >
>> es1371: version v0.27 time 16:26:05 Jan 26 2001
>> es1371: found chip, vendor id 0x1274 device id 0x1371 revision 0x07
>> PCI: Found IRQ 5 for device 00:0a.0
>> es1371: found es1371 rev 7 at io 0xd000 irq 5
>> es1371: features: joystick 0x0
>> ac97_codec: AC97 Audio codec, id: 0x8384:0x7608 (SigmaTel STAC9708)
>> Linux PCMCIA Card Services 3.1.22
>>   options:  [pci] [cardbus] [pm]
>> usb.c: registered new driver hub
>> PCI: Found IRQ 11 for device 00:04.2
>> PCI: The same IRQ used for device 00:0d.0
>> uhci.c: USB UHCI at I/O 0xd400, IRQ 11
>> uhci.c: detected 2 ports
>> usb.c: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 1
>> hub.c: USB hub found
>> hub.c: 2 ports detected
>> usb.c: registered new driver usb-storage
>> USB Mass Storage support registered.
>> NET4: Linux TCP/IP 1.0 for NET4.0
>> IP Protocols: ICMP, UDP, TCP, IGMP
>> IP: routing cache hash table of 2048 buckets, 16Kbytes
>> TCP: Hash tables configured (established 16384 bind 16384)
>> NET4: Unix domain sockets 1.0/SMP for Linux NET4.0.
>> devfs: v0.102 (20000622) Richard Gooch (rgooch@atnf.csiro.au)
>> devfs: boot_options: 0x0
>> VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly.
>> Mounted devfs on /dev
>> Freeing unused kernel memory: 192k freed
>> uhci.c: root-hub INT complete: port1: 58a port2: 5ab data: 6
>> hub.c: USB new device connect on bus1/2, assigned device number 2
>> usb.c: USB device 2 (vend/prod 0x46d/0xc002) is not claimed by any active d=
>> river.
>> uhci.c: root-hub INT complete: port1: 588 port2: 5a5 data: 2
>> Adding Swap: 120480k swap-space (priority -1)
>> mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice
>> Real Time Clock Driver v1.10d
>> scsi1 : SCSI host adapter emulation for IDE ATAPI devices
>>   Vendor: MITSUMI   Model: CD-ROM FX4820T!B  Rev: D03A
>>   Type:   CD-ROM                             ANSI SCSI revision: 02
>>   Vendor: MITSUMI   Model: CR-4801TE         Rev: 2.03
>>   Type:   CD-ROM                             ANSI SCSI revision: 02
>> Linux agpgart interface v0.99 (c) Jeff Hartmann
>> agpgart: Maximum main memory to use for agp memory: 203M
>> agpgart: Detected Via Apollo Pro chipset
>> agpgart: AGP aperture is 256M @ 0xd0000000
>> [drm] AGP 0.99 on VIA Apollo Pro @ 0xd0000000 256MB
>> [drm] Initialized mga 2.0.1 20000928 on minor 63
>> 
>> ### Cut cpuinfo.txt
>> 
>> processor	: 0
>> vendor_id	: GenuineIntel
>> cpu family	: 6
>> model		: 8
>> model name	: Pentium III (Coppermine)
>> stepping	: 3
>> cpu MHz		: 802.934
>> cache size	: 256 KB
>> fdiv_bug	: no
>> hlt_bug		: no
>> f00f_bug	: no
>> coma_bug	: no
>> fpu		: yes
>> fpu_exception	: yes
>> cpuid level	: 2
>> wp		: yes
>> flags		: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36=
>>  mmx fxsr sse
>> bogomips	: 1602.35
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Ben Lutgens		cell: 612.670.4789
>> Sistina Software Inc.	work: 612.379.5941
>> Code Monkey Support (A.K.A. System Administrator)
>> 

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Sistina Software Inc.	work: 612.379.5941
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From tanner at real-time.com  Sat Jan 27 12:55:09 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:07 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] GFS 4.0 and Idiot Ben
Message-ID: <20010127125509.A8907@real-time.com>

Idiot Ben! Why no post to the list about GFS 4.0 being released!

You live up to (down to?) your name! :-P

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From ben at nerp.net  Sat Jan 27 14:24:49 2001
From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:07 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] GFS 4.0 and Idiot Ben
In-Reply-To: <20010127125509.A8907@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0101271424340.8365-100000@chef>

haha.. awww.. don't be so hard on him.. us ben's get all the flak

Thank You,
        Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net)

 "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends."

On Sat, 27 Jan 2001, Bob Tanner wrote:

> Idiot Ben! Why no post to the list about GFS 4.0 being released!
>
> You live up to (down to?) your name! :-P
>
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From chrome at real-time.com  Sat Jan 27 15:36:17 2001
From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:07 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Debian g++ and gcc package problem
In-Reply-To: <20010127010817.B1376@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 01:08:17AM -0600
References: <20010126225550.C27376@real-time.com> <20010127010817.B1376@sherohman.org>
Message-ID: <20010127153617.A14002@real-time.com>

> You must be tracking unstable, then?  I use testing and I've got 2.95.2,
> so...

I think I see the problem. I started out using unstable; but then was told I
should use testing instead. the gcc package is from unstable; but g++ is
from testing.

so I edited /etc/apt/sources.list to point to real-time's mirror of
unstable; and now g++ will install. :)

now let's see how long it takes to build OpenOffice on a 1.1GHz machine. :)

Carl.
-- 
Network Engineer
Real-Time Enterprises
(952) 943-8700

From jack at jacku.com  Sat Jan 27 16:50:20 2001
From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:08 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Apache/PHP/Database/html Forms Interaction
In-Reply-To: <0DA321D3.649AD5F8.0020EA2F@netscape.net>
References: <0DA321D3.649AD5F8.0020EA2F@netscape.net>
Message-ID: <01012716502000.01128@geezer>

There's really no special things you need to setup your forms. When you 
submit the form have the action point to your PHP script. PHP will have 
access to the form fields sent via the get or post you used to submit the 
form. In addition PHP has a set of commands for accessing PostgreSQL 
directly. I recommend you go to www.php.net and get the main PHP manual. Also 
you might want to go to www.phpbuilder.com and check their code library for 
examples. Its not a difficult process. I did this a few years ago for a demo 
application and got the info I needed from the main PHP docs.

Jack

On Saturday 27 January 2001 06:37, you wrote:
> I have been using Apache and various Linux distributions (Mandrake and Red
> Hat) for a few years now.  I am not a guru, but comfortable with both.
>
> I am now moving into a new arena: php and databases interacting with
> Apache.  I have the howtos for php and some documentation for PostgreSQL. 
> That documentation is fine in itself, but does not outline the process for
> what I want to do.
>
> I would like to set up a webpage where people fill out
> surveys/questionnaires about customer satisfaction, needs, etc.  In effect,
> users would be completing an html form and hitting a "submit" button.  The
> information in the form would then be submitted to a database as a single
> record.
>
> The problem is that I have been unable to find doucmentation/sites that
> outline how a form should be set up -- and php/database configuration--  so
> that it can be properly entered into the database.  Can anyone suggest
> documetation/sites that would outline such a process?  It seems as though
> php is a necesary part of the process -- am I incorrect?
>
> I am comfortable with editing html -- I do not use a WYSIWYG editor.
>
> P.S.
> Does anyone have recommendations of PostgreSQL vs Interbase.  I know about
> MySQL, but it is not as ANSI-92 compliant as PostgreSQL or Interbase.
>
> Any assistance is appreciated.
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From austad at marketwatch.com  Sat Jan 27 17:10:47 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:08 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Snort INSTALL
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109378@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

There's not a whole lot to do really, just edit your config file which is
filled with comments that tell you exactly what you need to edit, and run it
passing it the options you want that are listed in the man page.  

These sites have some more info on setting it up (I suggest using ACID also,
it makes it much easier):
http://www.whitehats.com/ids
http://www.incident.org/snortdb
http://www.cert.org/kb/acid/

Jay

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Tanner [mailto:tanner@real-time.com]
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 3:25 PM
To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
Subject: [TCLUG] Snort INSTALL


Is there anything else to read other then the INSTALL for Snort?

I read almost everything on the snort web site and there does not seem to be
a
step-by-step installation guide to snort.

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From kethry at winternet.com  Sat Jan 27 18:04:19 2001
From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:08 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Apache/PHP/Database/html Forms Interaction
In-Reply-To: <200101271430.f0REUAo21726@destef.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10101271802070.15869-100000@tundra.winternet.com>

> The code to parse HTML is very small (in fact I wrote my own snippet of code
> I'd probably share with anyone who begs enough :) so you dont have to deal
> with cgi libs to parse the data.

pretty please? ;)

Since I"m learning C++, looking at any C/C++ code helps - ESPECIALLY since
I'm starting to get a little tired of my instructor after only the second
week - 3 hours on control statements? ugh...

Take care, 
Liz Burke-Scovill

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e-mail:  kethry@winternet.com
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From nate at nerp.net  Sat Jan 27 23:44:07 2001
From: nate at nerp.net (Nate Sanders)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:08 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Wireless in Linux
References: <39BA380B.EC6E111B@sihope.com>
Message-ID: <3A73B1A7.8FFC4D2E@nerp.net>

I've taken some recomendations from friends on wireless products. But was
wondering what if any work in linux, or work well in linux? I have a sony
vaio laptop, running 2.4. Anyone have any thoughts to offer?

I've been told the Airport from Apple and Lucent cards work best.. (but in
linux do they?)

--
Nate Sanders                       nate@chef.nerp.net
http://www.damnation.net           IRC: darkskull@NEWNET




From esper at sherohman.org  Sun Jan 28 00:09:18 2001
From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:08 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Debian g++ and gcc package problem
In-Reply-To: <20010127153617.A14002@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 03:36:17PM -0600
References: <20010126225550.C27376@real-time.com> <20010127010817.B1376@sherohman.org> <20010127153617.A14002@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010128000918.A3758@sherohman.org>

On Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 03:36:17PM -0600, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote:
> I think I see the problem. I started out using unstable; but then was told I
> should use testing instead. the gcc package is from unstable; but g++ is
> from testing.

Yeah, that'll do it...  When testing was first announced, I immediately
changed my sources.list, then waited 2 weeks for unstable packages to be
moved into testing before doing an apt-get upgrade, and didn't have any
problems.  (Well, aside from the new version of lilo wanting to throw out my
old config, but I just backed up the old one, restored it after installing
and it still works.  Anyone know why they did that?)

-- 
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and at home. - SGI job posting
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From andy at theasis.com  Sat Jan 27 18:28:20 2001
From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:08 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Wireless in Linux
In-Reply-To: <3A73B1A7.8FFC4D2E@nerp.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0101271819470.2428-100000@desmodus.theasis.com>

> I've taken some recomendations from friends on wireless products. But was
> wondering what if any work in linux, or work well in linux? I have a sony
> vaio laptop, running 2.4. Anyone have any thoughts to offer?
>
> I've been told the Airport from Apple and Lucent cards work best.. (but in
> linux do they?)

There are a bunch of cards that work. The current 802.11 cards that use
the PRISMII radio chipset are supported by the linux-wlan-ng driver. Find
it at http://www.linux-wlan.com/linux-wlan/index.html

I've only heard tell of that ng driver working with 2.4 -- there's also
another driver that works with the older 2mbit cards (of which I have 4 or
5), and I've not seen that working with 2.4, but there's discussion of a
patch on the mailing list. It'll come along soon enough. Anyway, if you're
buying newer cards, they'll be 11mbit and use the ng driver.

Andy


> 
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From vinay at 3com.com  Sat Jan 27 11:06:52 2001
From: vinay at 3com.com (Vinay Gawand)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:09 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject)
Message-ID: <NEBBLJAPBJDPHNIBDEGIMEDFCAAA.vinay@ewd.3com.com>


From tobytoo at black-hole.com  Sat Jan 27 15:53:17 2001
From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (b. toberman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:09 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Entry Level *nix
References: <F2988V8zDv60gxapzha00002095@hotmail.com> <008e01c086e2$ee1eca20$991ea8c0@digitalriver.com> <3A705839.4313B877@ltiflex.com> <20010125113334.B753@minime.sistina.com>
Message-ID: <3A73434D.BEF32584@black-hole.com>

You may be able to sleep at night but you haven't learned how to spell, BTW, how
did you get on this list anyway?

On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 10:45:45AM -0600, Andy Zbikowski wrote:
>Secondly, I can deal with Windows. At this point I have completely sworn off
>using anything but Windows 2000 on servers

>
>(with the exception of the
>database server that is still running NT4, and hasn't had an issue since it
>went on line. If it ain't broke...) If budjeting and client hardware allowed
>it, I'd probally move the workstations from NT4 to windows 2000. (Just don't
>bother with Windows 9x or Me). If I can find a thin client to fill our needs
>we will probally move in that direction (if I can smash some long
>outstanding bugs with our main windows application anyway...) But Windows is
>everywhere. Get over it, learn it. I can actually sleep at night when I
>recomment Windows 2000. Win2K isn't perfect, but it's a big step in the
>right direction.


From tanner at real-time.com  Sat Jan 27 17:55:14 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:09 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Mozilla themes, not working?
Message-ID: <20010127175514.C8907@real-time.com>

Snarf'd the latest version of mozilla today and I cannot change themes. Anyone
seening this behavior?

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From bradyh at bitstream.net  Sat Jan 27 18:23:12 2001
From: bradyh at bitstream.net (brady)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:09 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Linux dial-in
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20010127182003.00a65410@mail.bitstream.net>

I'm having problems getting dialed into my ISP with my Linux box.  It 
connects but it always takes 3 or 4 tries at the least.  It dials and seems 
to connect but it never really connects...then it redials.

I tried connecting using minicom but even though it says there's a PPP 
connection made but I can't ping any addresses.

Thanks for any tips,
Brady

Here's my chat-ppp0 script:

'ABORT'     'BUSY'
'ABORT'     'ERROR'
'ABORT'     'NO CARRIER'
'ABORT'     'NO DIALTONE'
'ABORT'     'Invalid Login'
'ABORT'     'Login incorrect'
''          'ATZ'
'OK'        'ATDT5555300'
'CONNECT'   ''
''          '\d\d\d'
'name:'     'bradyh'
'assword:'  '*****'
''          '\d\d\d'


(Obviously I removed my password from the script.)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 
~~~~~~~~~~~
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From ben at nerp.net  Sun Jan 28 09:40:12 2001
From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:09 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Wireless in Linux
In-Reply-To: <3A73B1A7.8FFC4D2E@nerp.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0101280938020.4767-100000@chef>

yes.. the apple airport works great with a java based config utiliy, and
the silver cards work fine too.   there are a bunch of brands that just
re-lable other cards.. like linksys, and SMC, and intel.  I recently found
a link on how to make the D-Link cards work in linux, (adjusting the
pcmcia package to make it think it's a lucent card)  but i havn't tried it
yet.

Thank You,
        Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net)

 "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends."

On Sat, 27 Jan 2001, Nate Sanders wrote:

> I've taken some recomendations from friends on wireless products. But was
> wondering what if any work in linux, or work well in linux? I have a sony
> vaio laptop, running 2.4. Anyone have any thoughts to offer?
>
> I've been told the Airport from Apple and Lucent cards work best.. (but in
> linux do they?)
>
> --
> Nate Sanders                       nate@chef.nerp.net
> http://www.damnation.net           IRC: darkskull@NEWNET
>
>
>
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From dkleist at acm.org  Sun Jan 28 10:23:02 2001
From: dkleist at acm.org (Dave Kleist)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:09 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Install a network card module in Debian
Message-ID: <20010128102302.C12574@coder>

Can anyone help me out here?

I've got a box that I recompiled the 2.2.18pre21 kernel for firewall
options.  Now that I've done this, it can't find my network card
anymore.  I figured that I needed to somehow recompile the module and
get it into the right library.  I can't use the pre21compact version
(it doesn't like the cross-version thing).

I've been trying to do use the make-kpkg process that's outlined for
building new kernels, and I'm wrestling with getting the modules
built.  I've read the man pages for all the stuff (including the
README files lying around), and what I've done still does not work. 
I've fixed a type on the sample.rules.module file, and typed in some
value for TOPDIR in the net subdirectory Makefile, not knowing if
either thing was the correct option.  I also symlinked the source
directories from the kernel-specific directory to the /usr/src/modules
directory and created debian/rules files for the net subdirectory.

So, my questions are:
   Did I really need to recompile the kernel to get firewalling?
   If so, how do I go about getting a custom version of ne.o built for
this kernel?
   Anybody know where I can get good instructions on how to do this?
   Does anyone have a quick snippet of the debian/rules file that
shows how I get
       the module built (I think that's where my problem is).

Sorry if I seem a little edgy, I've been at this for about a week in
my spare time, and my office wants the firewall installed this
weekend.  

Thanks for any assistance.  Let me know if more info is needed.
-- 
   Dave Kleist
   dkleist@acm.org
   "The covers of this book are too far apart."
              - Ambrose Bierce


From kethry at winternet.com  Sun Jan 28 10:45:09 2001
From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:09 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Linux dial-in
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20010127182003.00a65410@mail.bitstream.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10101281043570.17471-100000@tundra.winternet.com>

> ''          '\d\d\d'
> 'name:'     'bradyh'
> 'assword:'  '*****'
> ''          '\d\d\d'

I don't know about you - but when I had problems dialing in with my linux
box, I had to change the username portion of my set up to 'sername:'
rather than 'username:' or 'name:'

Hope this helps, 
Liz

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From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu  Sun Jan 28 15:37:06 2001
From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:09 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Install a network card module in Debian
In-Reply-To: <20010128102302.C12574@coder>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0101281525060.16043-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>

On Sun, 28 Jan 2001, Dave Kleist wrote:

> I've got a box that I recompiled the 2.2.18pre21 kernel for firewall
> options.  

What distro are you using this from?  I have the Debian 2.2.17pre6
(potato) and it does not need to be recompiled -- you can just load the
modules.  The Debian package ipmasq takes care of it all for you, though
I'd be really careful about looking over the ipchains rules they give you
and probably just write your own.

> Now that I've done this, it can't find my network card
> anymore.  

I've been around the block about 600 times trying to get network cards to
work.  I've had it where it will show up under ifconfig, the routing table
will be correct, but ping just stares back at me.  That one turned out to
be needing to set an IO recovery delay in the BIOS -- since yours used to
work on that machine, I bet its not that hard.

I've found that just removing all the other modules lets the kernel open a
meaningful dialog with the net card<g>, and then you can reload.  Also,
make sure that your parameters are correct and not being stolen from some
crufty config file.

I do assume a known good modular kernel, and that you have a compatible
module.  You may not, since you said you compiled your own.

> So, my questions are:
>    Did I really need to recompile the kernel to get firewalling?

Under Debian (make-kpkg implies you're using it), I don't think so.

>    Anybody know where I can get good instructions on how to do this?

I'd try here and there, but include one of the Deb mail lists.

> Sorry if I seem a little edgy, I've been at this for about a week in
> my spare time, and my office wants the firewall installed this
> weekend.  

I feel your pain.  Relax -- Monday they'll probably just tell you that
they've decided to scrap it and buy leased lines anyway!<g>  But it sounds
like one of those problems for which you get to use both sides of your
brain  -- the front AND the back -- provided the wall proves sufficiently
hard.

> Thanks for any assistance.  Let me know if more info is needed.

I don't know if I helped any, but fingers crossed, eh?

Phil M

-- 
"To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous


From dkleist at acm.org  Sun Jan 28 17:06:10 2001
From: dkleist at acm.org (Dave Kleist)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:09 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Install a network card module in Debian
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0101281525060.16043-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>; from mend0070@tc.umn.edu on Sun, Jan 28, 2001 at 15:37:06 -0600
References: <20010128102302.C12574@coder> <Pine.SOL.4.20.0101281525060.16043-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <20010128170610.C840@coder>

On 2001.01.28 15:37:06 -0600 Philip C Mendelsohn wrote:
> What distro are you using this from?  I have the Debian 2.2.17pre6
> (potato) and it does not need to be recompiled -- you can just load
> the
> modules.  The Debian package ipmasq takes care of it all for you,
> though
> I'd be really careful about looking over the ipchains rules they
> give you
> and probably just write your own.

That's helpful (fresh install of Debian 2.2.18pre21) .  The
documentation I've read suggests otherwise on the compile option, so
we'll find out.  Writing ipchains rules shouldn't be too hard (did it
before).

> I've been around the block about 600 times trying to get network
> cards to
> work.  I've had it where it will show up under ifconfig, the routing
> table
> will be correct, but ping just stares back at me.  That one turned
> out to
> be needing to set an IO recovery delay in the BIOS -- since yours
> used to
> work on that machine, I bet its not that hard.

Well, maybe,... but it's more headslap dumb on my part - it works
under the compact kernel, but not the one I compile.  Well, I guess
I'll just see how it goes again.

> I do assume a known good modular kernel, and that you have a
> compatible module.  
That's the crux of the matter, I don't have a module and I can't
figure out how to get it created.

-- 
   Dave Kleist
   dkleist@acm.org
   "The covers of this book are too far apart."
              - Ambrose Bierce


From houle at citilink.com  Sun Jan 28 21:04:12 2001
From: houle at citilink.com (Terry Houle)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:09 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Logos and decals
Message-ID: <DLEEIKPDNHMLPDHFCEIJKEKACJAA.houle@citilink.com>

I know a dumb question but wondering if there are any stores around that
have some decals such as Penguins and other similiar things.  Just looking
for small ones and the Bloomington area would be ideal.  Just got Corel
Linux loaded on an old machine although I have a feeling most would say that
is not the real thing.  Yet it gives me a chance to play around and get a
feel for it.

TIA

Terry Houle
Email: houle@citilink.com
http://www.citilink.com/~houle


From nate at nerp.net  Sun Jan 28 21:49:13 2001
From: nate at nerp.net (Nate Sanders)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:09 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Logos and decals
References: <DLEEIKPDNHMLPDHFCEIJKEKACJAA.houle@citilink.com>
Message-ID: <3A74E839.411ADC61@nerp.net>

Want some good stickers for computers?

http://www.copyleft.net/item.phtml?dynamic=1&referer=%2Fcategory.phtml%3Fpage%3Dcategory_sticker.phtml&page=product_418_front.phtml

$1 each. I have like 20.


Terry Houle wrote:

> I know a dumb question but wondering if there are any stores around that
> have some decals such as Penguins and other similiar things.  Just looking
> for small ones and the Bloomington area would be ideal.  Just got Corel
> Linux loaded on an old machine although I have a feeling most would say that
> is not the real thing.  Yet it gives me a chance to play around and get a
> feel for it.
>
> TIA
>
> Terry Houle
> Email: houle@citilink.com
> http://www.citilink.com/~houle
>
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

--
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http://www.damnation.net           IRC: darkskull@NEWNET




From jacque at fruitioninc.com  Sun Jan 28 21:54:08 2001
From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:09 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Logos and decals
In-Reply-To: <DLEEIKPDNHMLPDHFCEIJKEKACJAA.houle@citilink.com>
Message-ID: <OEEGINPDBECPENDANKKMCEJDCAAA.jacque@fruitioninc.com>

I know you can get them here:
http://www.copyleft.net/category.phtml?page=category_sticker.phtml

I haven't seen any locally, then again, I really haven't been looking.

~jacque

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org
> [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Terry Houle
> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2001 9:04 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: [TCLUG] Logos and decals
>
>
> I know a dumb question but wondering if there are any stores around that
> have some decals such as Penguins and other similiar things.  Just looking
> for small ones and the Bloomington area would be ideal.  Just got Corel
> Linux loaded on an old machine although I have a feeling most
> would say that
> is not the real thing.  Yet it gives me a chance to play around and get a
> feel for it.
>
> TIA
>
> Terry Houle
> Email: houle@citilink.com
> http://www.citilink.com/~houle
>
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


From tobytoo at black-hole.com  Sun Jan 28 22:30:26 2001
From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (b. toberman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:09 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Logos and decals
References: <DLEEIKPDNHMLPDHFCEIJKEKACJAA.houle@citilink.com>
Message-ID: <3A74F1E1.AD965D55@black-hole.com>

If you have a printer just go and get some full sheet label and go to
 http://www-mddsp.enel.ucalgary.ca/People/adilger/logo/  and you can make your
own, any size you want.
Terry Houle wrote:

> I know a dumb question but wondering if there are any stores around that
> have some decals such as Penguins and other similiar things.  Just looking
> for small ones and the Bloomington area would be ideal.  Just got Corel
> Linux loaded on an old machine although I have a feeling most would say that
> is not the real thing.  Yet it gives me a chance to play around and get a
> feel for it.
>
> TIA
>
> Terry Houle
> Email: houle@citilink.com
> http://www.citilink.com/~houle
>
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From punch at nerp.net  Mon Jan 29 01:01:17 2001
From: punch at nerp.net (PunchRock)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:09 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Logos and decals
In-Reply-To: <3A74E839.411ADC61@nerp.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0101290100530.4833-100000@chef>

You got 20, yet you cant find any to hook me up? :)

 brian

On Sun, 28 Jan 2001, Nate Sanders wrote:

> Want some good stickers for computers?
>
> http://www.copyleft.net/item.phtml?dynamic=1&referer=%2Fcategory.phtml%3Fpage%3Dcategory_sticker.phtml&page=product_418_front.phtml
>
> $1 each. I have like 20.
>
>
> Terry Houle wrote:
>
> > I know a dumb question but wondering if there are any stores around that
> > have some decals such as Penguins and other similiar things.  Just looking
> > for small ones and the Bloomington area would be ideal.  Just got Corel
> > Linux loaded on an old machine although I have a feeling most would say that
> > is not the real thing.  Yet it gives me a chance to play around and get a
> > feel for it.
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > Terry Houle
> > Email: houle@citilink.com
> > http://www.citilink.com/~houle
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > tclug-list mailing list
> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> --
> Nate Sanders                       nate@chef.nerp.net
> http://www.damnation.net           IRC: darkskull@NEWNET
>
>
>
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>


From andyzb at ltiflex.com  Mon Jan 29 09:00:00 2001
From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:09 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Install a network card module in Debian
References: <20010128102302.C12574@coder> <Pine.SOL.4.20.0101281525060.16043-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu> <20010128170610.C840@coder>
Message-ID: <3A758570.F39A5F75@ltiflex.com>

> > I've been around the block about 600 times trying to get network
> > cards to
> > work.  I've had it where it will show up under ifconfig, the routing
> > table
> > will be correct, but ping just stares back at me.  That one turned
> > out to
> > be needing to set an IO recovery delay in the BIOS -- since yours
> > used to
> > work on that machine, I bet its not that hard.
> 
> Well, maybe,... but it's more headslap dumb on my part - it works
> under the compact kernel, but not the one I compile.  Well, I guess
> I'll just see how it goes again.

If that's the case, you could start your kernel build by using the
configuration of the kernel package. If you still have the kernel package
installed you should be able to copy /etc/boot/config-2.2.18pre21
/usr/src/linux/.config, make menuconfig, and make the changes you need. I
have a scsi card that just wouldn't work properly on any kernel I built, but
worked fine on the kernels included with the distribution. I even compared
my configs to the packed kernel's configs and didn't see anything.
Eventyally I just took the config from the packaged kernel and removed
everything I didn't want. It worked. 

I'm fairly certin that the compact kernel doesn't have ipmasq/firewalling
support, so in that case you will have to get a different kernel compiled
(or grab a different pre-compiled kernel from the Debian archive.)

If you're having troubles with newer network cards you might want to check
here: 
 http://www.scyld.com/linux_network_drivers.html for new drivers. The newest
Linsys Tulip card doesn't seem to work with any kernel, and need the latest
drivers (drivers on the linksys floppy work fine) 

No a bit of make-kpkg info:
The quick and dirty way for make-kpkg is:
make menuconfig
make-kpkg --revision=99:custom.1.0 kernel_image
This will build a Debian package for you kernel (including modules). The
modules_image is for building extra modules (such as lm-sensors, pcmcia,
alsa, etc...) in /usr/src/modules. You don't need to do this step if you
don't need any of these extra modules. 

Instead of using the 2.2.18pre21 source, go grab the 2.2.18 source from
ftp.us.kernel.org, or 2.4.0 if you're feeling brave. 

--
Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin   | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com
LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH)  763-428-9119 (EX) 132
21801 Industrial Blvd       | (FX)  763-428-9126
Rogers, MN  55374           | (PCS) 612-306-6055
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From blutgens at sistina.com  Mon Jan 29 11:18:20 2001
From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:10 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Box for sale
In-Reply-To: <3A72158B.AA595140@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 06:25:47PM -0600
References: <20010126173805.A30772@minime.sistina.com> <3A72158B.AA595140@fandre.com>
Message-ID: <20010129111820.A1624@minime.sistina.com>

On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 06:25:47PM -0600, Clay Fandre wrote:
>
>You're not in trouble with the Mob or anything, are you? Got some inside
>info on the game on Sunday? Going for it all, huh?

No, repair work on my Jeep. 

-- 
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Sistina Software Inc.	work: 612.379.5941
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From blutgens at sistina.com  Mon Jan 29 11:22:48 2001
From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:10 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] GFS 4.0 and Idiot Ben
In-Reply-To: <20010127125509.A8907@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 12:55:09PM -0600
References: <20010127125509.A8907@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010129112248.B1624@minime.sistina.com>

On Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 12:55:09PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote:
>Idiot Ben! Why no post to the list about GFS 4.0 being released!

I figured interested parties would either 

a: see it on freshmeat
b: be subscribed to gfs-announce, gfs-users, gfs-devel
c: get an invitation to the open house
d: see the announcement on other various linux filesystem devel lists.

Or just plain not care.

In the future I'll cross-post important events.


>
>You live up to (down to?) your name! :-P
>
>-- 
>Bob Tanner <tanner@real-time.com>       | Phone : (952)943-8700
>http://www.mn-linux.org                 | Fax   : (952)943-8500
>Key fingerprint =  6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 
>
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From blutgens at sistina.com  Mon Jan 29 11:23:11 2001
From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:10 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] GFS 4.0 and Idiot Ben
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0101271424340.8365-100000@chef>; from ben@nerp.net on Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 02:24:49PM -0600
References: <20010127125509.A8907@real-time.com> <Pine.LNX.4.30.0101271424340.8365-100000@chef>
Message-ID: <20010129112311.C1624@minime.sistina.com>

On Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 02:24:49PM -0600, Ben Kochie wrote:
>haha.. awww.. don't be so hard on him.. us ben's get all the flak

No shit.

:-) See you all in N.Y.

>
>Thank You,
>        Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net)
>
> "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends."
>
>On Sat, 27 Jan 2001, Bob Tanner wrote:
>
>> Idiot Ben! Why no post to the list about GFS 4.0 being released!
>>
>> You live up to (down to?) your name! :-P
>>
>> --
>> Bob Tanner <tanner@real-time.com>       | Phone : (952)943-8700
>> http://www.mn-linux.org                 | Fax   : (952)943-8500
>> Key fingerprint =  6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9
>>
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>>
>
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From blutgens at sistina.com  Mon Jan 29 11:25:15 2001
From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:10 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Mozilla themes, not working?
In-Reply-To: <20010127175514.C8907@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 05:55:14PM -0600
References: <20010127175514.C8907@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20010129112515.D1624@minime.sistina.com>

On Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 05:55:14PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote:
>Snarf'd the latest version of mozilla today and I cannot change themes. Anyone
>seening this behavior?

Use the view --> apply theme menu.

Works for me.

>
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>http://www.mn-linux.org                 | Fax   : (952)943-8500
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From thudak at sistina.com  Mon Jan 29 11:11:46 2001
From: thudak at sistina.com (Tom Hudak)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:10 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Wireless in Linux
In-Reply-To: <3A73B1A7.8FFC4D2E@nerp.net>; from nate@nerp.net on Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 11:44:07PM -0600
References: <39BA380B.EC6E111B@sihope.com> <3A73B1A7.8FFC4D2E@nerp.net>
Message-ID: <20010129111146.A11845@cesium.sistina.com>

On Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 11:44:07PM -0600, Nate Sanders wrote:
>I've taken some recomendations from friends on wireless products. But was
>wondering what if any work in linux, or work well in linux? I have a sony
>vaio laptop, running 2.4. Anyone have any thoughts to offer?
Orinoco makes the wavelan/RG1000 cards and yes, they work great in linux and
freebsd. Beware, the apple airport (yes, it's pretty cool.) uses a hash table
to turn your password into a 40bit hex key. If you set a password on the
airport, you need to convert the password to hex in order to use it in linux
when supplying a key for the network, and make sure it follows a 0x to tell
the airport, "Hey, I'm sending you my key in hex!" and all will be well.
>
>I've been told the Airport from Apple and Lucent cards work best.. (but in
>linux do they?)
We have an airport as well as an RG1000 Gateway, and so far, the airport has a
better range although they may be interfering with each other. (The airport
claims up to 150 ft. while the rg1000 claims up to 1400 feet, but it's seems
to be exactly the opposite, the airport getting almost all the traffic because
the rg1000 can't hack it.) If you go with an RG1000 I highly recommend getting
extra antenna's for your cards, because the rg1000 can't take an external
range extending antenna.
Have fun!
>
>--
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>http://www.damnation.net           IRC: darkskull@NEWNET
>
>
>
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From thudak at sistina.com  Mon Jan 29 11:20:48 2001
From: thudak at sistina.com (Tom Hudak)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:10 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Linux dial-in
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20010127182003.00a65410@mail.bitstream.net>; from bradyh@bitstream.net on Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 06:23:12PM -0600
References: <4.2.0.58.20010127182003.00a65410@mail.bitstream.net>
Message-ID: <20010129112048.B11845@cesium.sistina.com>

On Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 06:23:12PM -0600, brady wrote:
>I'm having problems getting dialed into my ISP with my Linux box.  It 
>connects but it always takes 3 or 4 tries at the least.  It dials and seems 
>to connect but it never really connects...then it redials.
>
>I tried connecting using minicom but even though it says there's a PPP 
>connection made but I can't ping any addresses.
I saw this while setting up linux NAT boxes for some local offices, our
dial-in servers were all NT using the M$-CHAP authentication protocol which
confuses the hell outta ppp unless you have the ms-chap stuff compiled in or
specified as the login to use. I would check to make sure you aren't dial-ing
into an NT server¸ and if you are, urge them to change, and setup ms-chap in
the meantime, it just uses a different encryption algorithm (I don't remember
what right off hand.) but seems to work fine after a couple attempts. That is
the only time I've seen what you've described happen, if you find out anything
else repost, I'd love to know why this happens if it's NOT the due to M$'s
reliance on changing standards for themselves.
>
>Thanks for any tips,
>Brady
>
>Here's my chat-ppp0 script:
>
>'ABORT'     'BUSY'
>'ABORT'     'ERROR'
>'ABORT'     'NO CARRIER'
>'ABORT'     'NO DIALTONE'
>'ABORT'     'Invalid Login'
>'ABORT'     'Login incorrect'
>''          'ATZ'
>'OK'        'ATDT5555300'
>'CONNECT'   ''
>''          '\d\d\d'
>'name:'     'bradyh'
>'assword:'  '*****'
>''          '\d\d\d'
>
>
>(Obviously I removed my password from the script.)
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 
>~~~~~~~~~~~
>"Since we're going to die anyway we might as well be thinking something 
>really stupid."
>- Nothing Man (leader of the "Brotherhood of Dada")
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From thouck at thouck.com  Mon Jan 29 13:03:57 2001
From: thouck at thouck.com (thouck@thouck.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:11 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Mozilla themes, not working?
In-Reply-To: <20010129112515.D1624@minime.sistina.com>
Message-ID: <200101291853.KAA14112@pine.he.net>

You just have to resize the preferences window.  The button to "Apply"
the theme is hidden.

On 29 Jan, Ben Lutgens had this nonsense to say:
> On Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 05:55:14PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote:
>>Snarf'd the latest version of mozilla today and I cannot change themes. Anyone
>>seening this behavior?
> 
> Use the view --> apply theme menu.
> 
> Works for me.

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From rgoldber at d.umn.edu  Mon Jan 29 16:53:17 2001
From: rgoldber at d.umn.edu (rgoldber@d.umn.edu)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:11 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] IDEs
In-Reply-To: <200101291853.KAA14112@pine.he.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0101291643200.5575-100000@236dul184.chartermi.net>

Howdy!

I was working on a project for a prof, which he was developing on
BeOS.  I'm no longer working on it, but am still in regular contact with
him.  Certain practical matters came up which helped me convince him to
move to Linux.

Anyhoo, the closest I get to an IDE (if I have choice) is M-x speedbar, but
he is stuck hard on buttons, projects, and that whole lot.  He also has
other rather practical reasons for wanting an IDE.

I know of many IDEs, but have never used them.  I'm wondering what the
developers on this list use, and if you could sort of list the good and bad
points, etc.

Thanks a ton, and he'll appreciate your time as well.

-

Ryan 


From tobytoo at black-hole.com  Mon Jan 29 18:43:31 2001
From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (Brian T)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:11 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] WeeCam
Message-ID: <3A760E32.B44A2647@black-hole.com>

Does anyone  know if there's a Linux driver for the Alaris WeeCam  out
there?


From dkleist at acm.org  Mon Jan 29 19:30:07 2001
From: dkleist at acm.org (Dave Kleist)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:11 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Debian - two identical network cards
Message-ID: <20010129193007.A2694@coder>

Hello again.

Okay I got the whole kernel thing squared away.  Now I have one last
and I hope easy and stupid Debian configuration question.  Where do I
put the information about configuring two network cards for the irq/io
addresses?  I can't seem to find the place where it works.  I tried
putting it in /etc/modutils/ne  (with a line 'options ne irq=10,9
io=0x300,0x2c0') but that didn't seem to work.  I don't think the
driver is compiled into the module as rmmod showed ne to be busy.  I
know the configuration works, because I ifdown'd on the active card,
rmmod for the module, then insmod ne.0 irq=10,9 io=0x300,0x2c0, ifup
eth0 eth1 and there they are.

Am I looking in the wrong place?  Is it the wrong command? (not
options, but something else??)

Thanks for any help.

 - Dave "Stop him before he hurts himself" Kleist

-- 
   Dave Kleist
   dkleist@acm.org
   "The covers of this book are too far apart."
              - Ambrose Bierce


From kbullock at ringworld.org  Mon Jan 29 20:51:46 2001
From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin R. Bullock)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:11 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Debian - two identical network cards
In-Reply-To: <20010129193007.A2694@coder>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10101292045320.852-100000@destiny.ringworld.org>

On Mon, 29 Jan 2001, Dave Kleist wrote:

> Okay I got the whole kernel thing squared away.  Now I have one last
> and I hope easy and stupid Debian configuration question.  Where do I
> put the information about configuring two network cards for the irq/io
> addresses?  I can't seem to find the place where it works.  I tried
> putting it in /etc/modutils/ne  (with a line 'options ne irq=10,9
> io=0x300,0x2c0') but that didn't seem to work.  I don't think the
> driver is compiled into the module as rmmod showed ne to be busy.  I
> know the configuration works, because I ifdown'd on the active card,
> rmmod for the module, then insmod ne.0 irq=10,9 io=0x300,0x2c0, ifup
> eth0 eth1 and there they are.
> 
> Am I looking in the wrong place?  Is it the wrong command? (not
> options, but something else??)

My first thought is this: did you run update-modules after you added the
/etc/modutils/ne file? Otherwise modules.conf wouldn't be updated.

Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa
Kevin R. Bullock


From dkleist at acm.org  Mon Jan 29 21:29:37 2001
From: dkleist at acm.org (Dave Kleist)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:11 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Debian - two identical network cards
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10101292045320.852-100000@destiny.ringworld.org>; from kbullock@ringworld.org on Mon, Jan 29, 2001 at 20:51:46 -0600
References: <20010129193007.A2694@coder> <Pine.LNX.4.10.10101292045320.852-100000@destiny.ringworld.org>
Message-ID: <20010129212937.C2694@coder>

On 2001.01.29 20:51:46 -0600 Kevin R. Bullock wrote:
> 
> My first thought is this: did you run update-modules after you added
> the
> /etc/modutils/ne file? Otherwise modules.conf wouldn't be updated.
> 

Uh, no, I didn't.  Surprising what happens when you do.  Go figure. 
Thanks.  That covered it.  
That was the last piece for the firewall: nothing so gratifying as
turning a 5 hour job into a 20 hour one <bleh>.

         - Dave
-- 
   Dave Kleist
   dkleist@acm.org
   "The covers of this book are too far apart."
              - Ambrose Bierce


From wilson at visi.com  Mon Jan 29 22:12:02 2001
From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:11 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] ATA-100 support in 2.4.0
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0101292209030.19573-100000@isis.visi.com>

Hey everyone,

Anybody else using an ATA-100 drive and getting it to work with 2.4? Last
kernel I compiled was 2.4.0-test9 and I had to patch it to support the
Promise ATA-100 interface on my Asus K7V motherboard.

Now I see that there is a patch at
http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/hedrick/
for 2.4.1-pre8. Still no support in the main kernel?

I must say getting ATA-100 and SCSI emulation working is taking too much of
my time.

-Tim

--
Tim Wilson      | Visit Sibley online:         | Check out:
Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/
W. St. Paul, MN |                              | http://slashdot.org/
wilson@visi.com |   <dtml-var pithy_quote>     | http://linux.com/


From tanner at real-time.com  Mon Jan 29 22:31:19 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:11 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [smooge@redhat.com: Slow but there..]
Message-ID: <20010129223119.A19132@real-time.com>

The gist of it.

New beta of Rehdat has been released.

It's available ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/redhat/beta/fisher


> Ok I was hoping the usual sources in development would announce, this
> but I think they are all recupperating at the moment. The new Red Hat
> Linux beta is up on wallace at the moment. Due to some networking
> issues, it hasnt made it to the rhm2 machines yet :/
> 
> The place for the beta is at /pub/redhat/beta/fisher and can only be
> gotten via rsync. I am trying to clear up networking for better
> mirroring (all the sysadmins have been all weekend long) but to put it
> would seem that the people who played with Microsoft have decided to try
> us out. We are no where near out, but it is sluggish and slow at the
> moment.  This may be a bad beta because of it and I feel like I have let
> you guys down.
> 
> Tommorow, I am going to try and get some DAT tapes of the tree and mail
> out to the bigger sites to try and get this out for people.
> 
> I need to let devel say when the permissions and such will be changed.

-- 
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http://www.mn-linux.org                 | Fax   : (952)943-8500
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From veldy at veldy.net  Mon Jan 29 23:31:37 2001
From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:11 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] ATA-100 support in 2.4.0
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0101292209030.19573-100000@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0101292330530.11730-100000@fuggle.veldy.net>

FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE will solve the problem for you - (no SCSI emulation
- you use burncd instead) :)

Tom Veldhouse
veldy@veldy.net

On Mon, 29 Jan 2001, Timothy Wilson wrote:

> Hey everyone,
> 
> Anybody else using an ATA-100 drive and getting it to work with 2.4? Last
> kernel I compiled was 2.4.0-test9 and I had to patch it to support the
> Promise ATA-100 interface on my Asus K7V motherboard.
> 
> Now I see that there is a patch at
> http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/hedrick/
> for 2.4.1-pre8. Still no support in the main kernel?
> 
> I must say getting ATA-100 and SCSI emulation working is taking too much of
> my time.
> 
> -Tim
> 
> --
> Tim Wilson      | Visit Sibley online:         | Check out:
> Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/
> W. St. Paul, MN |                              | http://slashdot.org/
> wilson@visi.com |   <dtml-var pithy_quote>     | http://linux.com/
> 
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 


From veldy at veldy.net  Mon Jan 29 23:31:37 2001
From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:11 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] ATA-100 support in 2.4.0
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0101292209030.19573-100000@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0101292330530.11730-100000@fuggle.veldy.net>

FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE will solve the problem for you - (no SCSI emulation
- you use burncd instead) :)

Tom Veldhouse
veldy@veldy.net

On Mon, 29 Jan 2001, Timothy Wilson wrote:

> Hey everyone,
> 
> Anybody else using an ATA-100 drive and getting it to work with 2.4? Last
> kernel I compiled was 2.4.0-test9 and I had to patch it to support the
> Promise ATA-100 interface on my Asus K7V motherboard.
> 
> Now I see that there is a patch at
> http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/hedrick/
> for 2.4.1-pre8. Still no support in the main kernel?
> 
> I must say getting ATA-100 and SCSI emulation working is taking too much of
> my time.
> 
> -Tim
> 
> --
> Tim Wilson      | Visit Sibley online:         | Check out:
> Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us/ | http://www.zope.org/
> W. St. Paul, MN |                              | http://slashdot.org/
> wilson@visi.com |   <dtml-var pithy_quote>     | http://linux.com/
> 
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
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> 


From jpschewe at mtu.net  Tue Jan 30 07:20:29 2001
From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:11 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] ATA-100 support in 2.4.0
In-Reply-To: "Thomas T. Veldhouse"'s message of "Mon, 29 Jan 2001 23:31:37 -0600 (CST)"
References: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0101292330530.11730-100000@fuggle.veldy.net>
Message-ID: <m38zntkwgy.fsf@workstation.mn.mtu.net>

Any particular reason you sent mail to the list twice?  I've seen quite a few
people doing this lately and it's midly annoying when I get two of most messages.

-- 
Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net
For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels 
nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any 
powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all 
creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that 
is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39


From austad at marketwatch.com  Tue Jan 30 13:32:35 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:11 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] tcp connections not closing properly
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10938E@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

I have a box that is not properly closing out it's tcp connections.  If I do
a netstat --inet, it comes up with over 1700 connections in the state CLOSE.
lsof shows all of these using up my file handles, and I am having trouble
starting new processes on the box so I have to reboot it.

Does anyone know how I can fix this?  I have 2 machines which are identical
to this one and they don't have any problems.  

Jay

From veldy at veldy.net  Tue Jan 30 10:50:48 2001
From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:11 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] ATA-100 support in 2.4.0
References: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0101292330530.11730-100000@fuggle.veldy.net> <m38zntkwgy.fsf@workstation.mn.mtu.net>
Message-ID: <004001c08adc$cc377a80$1d750140@Veldhouse.veldy.net>

I think I hit reply to all and it did that.

Tom Veldhouse
veldy@veldy.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Schewe" <jpschewe@mtu.net>
To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 7:20 AM
Subject: Re: [TCLUG] ATA-100 support in 2.4.0


> Any particular reason you sent mail to the list twice?  I've seen quite a
few
> people doing this lately and it's midly annoying when I get two of most
messages.
>
> --
> Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net
> For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels
> nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any
> powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all
> creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that
> is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39
>
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


From tanner at real-time.com  Tue Jan 30 22:28:31 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:11 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Mailing list is back
Message-ID: <20010130222831.V7040@real-time.com>

Mailing list is back. Sorry for the down time. 

Eventually my posts on what happened should make it to the list.

-- 
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http://www.mn-linux.org                 | Fax   : (952)943-8500
Key fingerprint =  6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 


From clay at fandre.com  Tue Jan 30 11:18:37 2001
From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:11 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [smooge@redhat.com: Slow but there..]
References: <20010129223119.A19132@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <3A76F76D.2CF6FBA3@fandre.com>

Doesn't seem to be working...

Bob Tanner wrote:
> 
> The gist of it.
> 
> New beta of Rehdat has been released.
> 
> It's available ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/redhat/beta/fisher
> 
> > Ok I was hoping the usual sources in development would announce, this
> > but I think they are all recupperating at the moment. The new Red Hat
> > Linux beta is up on wallace at the moment. Due to some networking
> > issues, it hasnt made it to the rhm2 machines yet :/
> >
> > The place for the beta is at /pub/redhat/beta/fisher and can only be
> > gotten via rsync. I am trying to clear up networking for better
> > mirroring (all the sysadmins have been all weekend long) but to put it
> > would seem that the people who played with Microsoft have decided to try
> > us out. We are no where near out, but it is sluggish and slow at the
> > moment.  This may be a bad beta because of it and I feel like I have let
> > you guys down.
> >
> > Tommorow, I am going to try and get some DAT tapes of the tree and mail
> > out to the bigger sites to try and get this out for people.
> >
> > I need to let devel say when the permissions and such will be changed.
> 
> --
> Bob Tanner <tanner@real-time.com>       | Phone : (952)943-8700
> http://www.mn-linux.org                 | Fax   : (952)943-8500
> Key fingerprint =  6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9
> 
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

From blutgens at sistina.com  Tue Jan 30 11:27:08 2001
From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:11 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] ATA-100 support in 2.4.0
In-Reply-To: <m38zntkwgy.fsf@workstation.mn.mtu.net>; from jpschewe@mtu.net on Tue, Jan 30, 2001 at 07:20:29AM -0600
References: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0101292330530.11730-100000@fuggle.veldy.net> <m38zntkwgy.fsf@workstation.mn.mtu.net>
Message-ID: <20010130112708.E1306@minime.sistina.com>

On Tue, Jan 30, 2001 at 07:20:29AM -0600, Jon Schewe wrote:
>Any particular reason you sent mail to the list twice?  I've seen quite a few
>people doing this lately and it's midly annoying when I get two of most messages.
>
It's a list issue. Use a procmail filter to filter out dupes.
-- 
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Sistina Software Inc.	work: 612.379.5941
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From tanner at real-time.com  Tue Jan 30 11:56:07 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:11 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] nerp.net dead? Ben you online?
Message-ID: <20010130115607.A8575@real-time.com>

I saw unsubscribe notifications for several addresses in nerp.net. When I saw
Ben's address I started to investigate.

$ dig nerp.net mx

; <<>> DiG 8.2 <<>> nerp.net mx 
;; res options: init recurs defnam dnsrch
;; got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: SERVFAIL, id: 4
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0
;; QUERY SECTION:
;;	nerp.net, type = MX, class = IN

;; Total query time: 8 msec
;; FROM: oracle.real-time.com to SERVER: default -- 206.10.252.1
;; WHEN: Tue Jan 30 11:55:28 2001
;; MSG SIZE  sent: 26  rcvd: 26

$ dig nerp.net soa

; <<>> DiG 8.2 <<>> nerp.net soa 
;; res options: init recurs defnam dnsrch
;; got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: SERVFAIL, id: 4
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0
;; QUERY SECTION:
;;	nerp.net, type = SOA, class = IN

;; Total query time: 1 msec
;; FROM: oracle.real-time.com to SERVER: default -- 206.10.252.1
;; WHEN: Tue Jan 30 11:55:35 2001
;; MSG SIZE  sent: 26  rcvd: 26

whois comes back ok.

Any nerp.net guys online here?

-- 
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http://www.mn-linux.org                 | Fax   : (952)943-8500
Key fingerprint =  6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 


From ben at nerp.net  Tue Jan 30 12:48:09 2001
From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:12 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] *pindrop*
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0101301247510.17355-100000@chef>

hello? is anyone talking today? or am I just not getting anything

Thank You,
        Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net)

 "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends."


From dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu  Tue Jan 30 13:48:51 2001
From: dopp at acm.cs.umn.edu (dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:12 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] tcp connections not closing properly
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10938E@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Tue, Jan 30, 2001 at 01:32:35PM -0600
References: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10938E@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <20010130134851.C63962@sorry.cs.umn.edu>

RedHat released an inetd fix for this today.  If you're running a different
distro, you may need to wait until they release a fix.

Gabe

On Tue, Jan 30, 2001 at 01:32:35PM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote:
> I have a box that is not properly closing out it's tcp connections.  If I do
> a netstat --inet, it comes up with over 1700 connections in the state CLOSE.
> lsof shows all of these using up my file handles, and I am having trouble
> starting new processes on the box so I have to reboot it.
> 
> Does anyone know how I can fix this?  I have 2 machines which are identical
> to this one and they don't have any problems.  
> 
> Jay
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

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Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation    |       dopp@acm.cs.umn.edu

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 human skins and breathe dryer lint!!" 
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From fertch at mninter.net  Wed Jan 31 05:17:57 2001
From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:12 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] LILO issues
Message-ID: <3A77F465.DAE2AD6E@mninter.net>

Been running into some issues with a couple of machines I'm trying to
set up and I can't figure it out.  I've looked at two different books:
Slackware Linux Unleashed (Sam's Publishing) and Linux System
Administration Black Book (Coriolis), along with Slackware website, and
have only found a partial answer.

Here's the scenario:
I have two machines I'm trying to install Slackware 7.1 on.  The first
one is an old Gateway P120- 32MB ram, SCSI CD-ROM (ID6), 200MB SCSI HDD
(ID4 or 5), and two 800MB IDE HDD's.  Second machine is an old Compaq
ODP-83, 32MB RAM, 400MB IDE drive, 200MB SCSI HDD.

When trying to install Slackware on the first machine, I can get it to
do so successfully if I do one of the following: 1) Leave all HDD's in
the machine, and put LILO to a floppy.  It'll boot successfully, and
work fine.   2) Remove second IDE and SCSI HDD's and put LILO to the
hard drive.

With the first scenario, if I try to configure the LILO.conf file on the
HDD, then boot up I get nothing but scrolling 0's and 1's and it won't
boot to the OS.  Put the floppy back in and it boots fine.

In the second scenario, if I put the other two HDD's in the system after
the install it boots fine until I modify the fstab file.  I add the two
drive into fstab ( /dev/hdb and /dev/sda  both set to ext2 and then
settings of 1 and then boot sequence).  I can then fdisk the IDE HDD and
I think I was able to fdisk the SCSI one once.  Upon reboot, I get an
error saying that /dev/sda? doesn't exist.  It will let me continue on
with single user mode and I can do basic functions, and also can do
fdisk on the two IDE drives.  If I try to fdisk the SCSI, it says
something about procedure doesn't exist or some such thing and then it
goes into funky command line mode.

I've been wracking my brain on this for the past few days, and can't
figure out what's going on.  The fist machine is going to be my
DNS/DHCP/print/dial-in/file storage server.  The second machine will be
my firewall.  I haven't tried on my second machine as that I need to
install from the network, but I'd assume I'd run into the same scenario
as the first.

Any help on this would be appreciated.  Could someone either explain to
me the procedure to add in new HDD's to a machine properly, or what I
need to do to get my system to boot successfully of a HDD instead of a
floppy.


Shawn

From clay at fandre.com  Tue Jan 30 17:13:25 2001
From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:12 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] New web pages
Message-ID: <3A774A95.5227F6D@fandre.com>

The list is kinda slow today, huh? The ice freeze everyone's computers?

Since freshmeat has a new look I thought the TCLUG should too. Check it
out and let me know if you find any typos or problems with the pages. I
am planning on adding some more pages as I find time, so keep checking
back.

Also the TCLUG poll is now powered by sympoll, so give it a whirl and
let me know how it works.

http://www.mn-linux.org

Clay

From natecars at real-time.com  Tue Jan 30 17:18:00 2001
From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:12 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] tcp connections not closing properly
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10938E@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0101301717510.11887-100000@enchanter.real-time.com>

On Tue, 30 Jan 2001, Austad, Jay wrote:
> I have a box that is not properly closing out it's tcp connections.  If I do
> a netstat --inet, it comes up with over 1700 connections in the state CLOSE.
> lsof shows all of these using up my file handles, and I am having trouble
> starting new processes on the box so I have to reboot it.
>
> Does anyone know how I can fix this?  I have 2 machines which are identical
> to this one and they don't have any problems.

What kernel version, and what type of TCP connections?

-- 
Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500



From eric at urbanrage.com  Wed Jan 31 08:57:33 2001
From: eric at urbanrage.com (eric)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:12 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] LILO issues
References: <3A77F465.DAE2AD6E@mninter.net>
Message-ID: <3A7827DC.5CFA3667@urbanrage.com>

Shawn wrote:

> Been running into some issues with a couple of machines I'm trying to
> set up and I can't figure it out.  I've looked at two different books:
> Slackware Linux Unleashed (Sam's Publishing) and Linux System
> Administration Black Book (Coriolis), along with Slackware website, and
> have only found a partial answer.
>
> Here's the scenario:
> I have two machines I'm trying to install Slackware 7.1 on.  The first
> one is an old Gateway P120- 32MB ram, SCSI CD-ROM (ID6), 200MB SCSI HDD
> (ID4 or 5), and two 800MB IDE HDD's.  Second machine is an old Compaq
> ODP-83, 32MB RAM, 400MB IDE drive, 200MB SCSI HDD.
>
> When trying to install Slackware on the first machine, I can get it to
> do so successfully if I do one of the following: 1) Leave all HDD's in
> the machine, and put LILO to a floppy.  It'll boot successfully, and
> work fine.   2) Remove second IDE and SCSI HDD's and put LILO to the
> hard drive.
>
> With the first scenario, if I try to configure the LILO.conf file on the
> HDD, then boot up I get nothing but scrolling 0's and 1's and it won't
> boot to the OS.  Put the floppy back in and it boots fine.
>
> In the second scenario, if I put the other two HDD's in the system after
> the install it boots fine until I modify the fstab file.  I add the two
> drive into fstab ( /dev/hdb and /dev/sda  both set to ext2 and then
> settings of 1 and then boot sequence).  I can then fdisk the IDE HDD and
> I think I was able to fdisk the SCSI one once.  Upon reboot, I get an
> error saying that /dev/sda? doesn't exist.  It will let me continue on
> with single user mode and I can do basic functions, and also can do
> fdisk on the two IDE drives.  If I try to fdisk the SCSI, it says
> something about procedure doesn't exist or some such thing and then it
> goes into funky command line mode.
>

The symptoms seem to indicate that the your scsi driver isn't loaded when
it attempts to access /dev/sda?

You either need to compile your scsi driver module into the kernel (as
opposed to being a module) or modify your rc.sysinit script to load the
module before fstab and fsck are invoked.

Eric



From andyzb at ltiflex.com  Wed Jan 31 08:57:58 2001
From: andyzb at ltiflex.com (Andy Zbikowski)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:12 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] LILO issues
References: <3A77F465.DAE2AD6E@mninter.net>
Message-ID: <3A7827F6.D590234A@ltiflex.com>

Well, what hard drive is set as the boot device? You want LILO on this
device, not the device where you installed Linux. (IE, if you installed
Linux on hdb1, you want lilo to be installed on hda.) 

Linux will install and run from just about anywhere, but you have to install
LILO on that first hard drive (and not the first partition on the first hard
drive!)

As for the scsi problems, check and make sure your scsi drivers are loading.
If you're booting off SCSI, your SCSI drivers must be compiled in to the
kernel and not loaded as modules. Typing 'dmesg | less' should display the
information you need to see if your SCSI card is detected when Linux boots.

--
Andy Zbikowski, Sys Admin   | (WEB) http://www.ltiflex.com
LTI Flexible Products, Inc. | (PH)  763-428-9119 (EX) 132
21801 Industrial Blvd       | (FX)  763-428-9126
Rogers, MN  55374           | (PCS) 612-306-6055
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From jpschewe at mtu.net  Wed Jan 31 08:09:27 2001
From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:12 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] ATA-100 support in 2.4.0
In-Reply-To: Ben Lutgens's message of "Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:27:08 -0600"
References: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0101292330530.11730-100000@fuggle.veldy.net>
	<m38zntkwgy.fsf@workstation.mn.mtu.net>
	<20010130112708.E1306@minime.sistina.com>
Message-ID: <m3lmrrke3s.fsf@workstation.mn.mtu.net>

Ben Lutgens <blutgens@sistina.com> writes:

> On Tue, Jan 30, 2001 at 07:20:29AM -0600, Jon Schewe wrote:
> >Any particular reason you sent mail to the list twice?  I've seen quite a few
> >people doing this lately and it's midly annoying when I get two of most messages.
> >
> It's a list issue. Use a procmail filter to filter out dupes.

Does anyone happen to have such a filter already written, if it's so common?

-- 
Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net
For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels 
nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any 
powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all 
creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that 
is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39


From JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com  Wed Jan 31 09:02:45 2001
From: JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com (Miller, John)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:12 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] New web pages
Message-ID: <C8E57CE8F221D411A24600A0C99D90FD02A50619@mail2.ROG.COM>

I did a couple of searches and found that the "Search TCLUG website: "
returns a blank page when I did a search for "php".  I tried a couple of
other searches that would not find anything and they came back with a
message stating there was nothing found.  

This brings me to my question.  Does Real-Time also host a php user group.
I thought I saw a link on TCLUG's homepage for this group at one time and
have not found it since.  
Thanks.

John Miller
Dain Rauscher Inc.
Application Services
IS Capital Markets
Phone 612-547-7573
Fax 612-547-7580


-----Original Message-----
From: Clay Fandre [mailto:clay@fandre.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 5:13 PM
To: TCLUG
Subject: [TCLUG] New web pages


The list is kinda slow today, huh? The ice freeze everyone's computers?

Since freshmeat has a new look I thought the TCLUG should too. Check it
out and let me know if you find any typos or problems with the pages. I
am planning on adding some more pages as I find time, so keep checking
back.

Also the TCLUG poll is now powered by sympoll, so give it a whirl and
let me know how it works.

http://www.mn-linux.org

Clay
_______________________________________________
tclug-list mailing list
tclug-list@mn-linux.org
https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

From austad at marketwatch.com  Wed Jan 31 09:56:05 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:12 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] tcp connections not closing properly
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109399@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

It's running redhat 6.2, and the connections are all to rmserver
(RealServer), which runs as it's own daemon, not through inetd.  Maybe it's
a problem with rmserver?  I have 2 clones of this box though, and neither of
those have any problems, and they all get the same amount of traffic.

Jay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nate Carlson [mailto:natecars@real-time.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 5:18 PM
> To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] tcp connections not closing properly
> 
> 
> On Tue, 30 Jan 2001, Austad, Jay wrote:
> > I have a box that is not properly closing out it's tcp 
> connections.  If I do
> > a netstat --inet, it comes up with over 1700 connections in 
> the state CLOSE.
> > lsof shows all of these using up my file handles, and I am 
> having trouble
> > starting new processes on the box so I have to reboot it.
> >
> > Does anyone know how I can fix this?  I have 2 machines 
> which are identical
> > to this one and they don't have any problems.
> 
> What kernel version, and what type of TCP connections?
> 
> -- 
> Nate Carlson <natecars@real-time.com>   | Phone : (952)943-8700
> http://www.real-time.com                | Fax   : (952)943-8500
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

From destef at destef.com  Tue Jan 30 19:02:43 2001
From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:12 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] tcp connections not closing properly
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10938E@mspexch1.office.mkt
 w.net>
Message-ID: <200101310101.f0V11Ro28410@destef.com>

TCP connections stay in a closed state for 120 seconds according
to the RFC for TCP. This ensures that "rouge" packets still on the
network dont confuse your IP stack. After 120 seconds they should
clear out automatically. If you run a process that opens and closes
lots of tcp connections this could be a problem because by default
your limited to i believe 1024 simultaneos TCP connections. I ran into
the problem when i ran an rc5 keyserver and i did a huge dump of
keys. It would error out saying I dont have anymore connections
available. I'd have to wait a few mins for them to clear out.
Not sure if that number can be uped outside of a kernel recompile.
ulimit -a shows 1024 files max. i dont know if this number
is used for tcp connections too. (i doubt it).

If this isn't your problem then you may have a messed up system
or hardware problems.

Hope this helps.

Jason


At 01:32 PM 1/30/01 -0600, you wrote:
>I have a box that is not properly closing out it's tcp connections.  If I do
>a netstat --inet, it comes up with over 1700 connections in the state CLOSE.
>lsof shows all of these using up my file handles, and I am having trouble
>starting new processes on the box so I have to reboot it.
>
>Does anyone know how I can fix this?  I have 2 machines which are identical
>to this one and they don't have any problems.  
>
>Jay
>_______________________________________________
>tclug-list mailing list
>tclug-list@mn-linux.org
>https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 


From clay at fandre.com  Wed Jan 31 10:19:46 2001
From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:12 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] New web pages
References: <C8E57CE8F221D411A24600A0C99D90FD02A50619@mail2.ROG.COM>
Message-ID: <3A783B22.9EAF62EB@fandre.com>


"Miller, John" wrote:
> 
> I did a couple of searches and found that the "Search TCLUG website: "
> returns a blank page when I did a search for "php".  I tried a couple of
> other searches that would not find anything and they came back with a
> message stating there was nothing found.

Thanks. I will look into it.

> 
> This brings me to my question.  Does Real-Time also host a php user group.
> I thought I saw a link on TCLUG's homepage for this group at one time and
> have not found it since.
> Thanks.
> 

The TCLUG likes to promote other groups in the area, which is why you
saw the php users group meeting on our page. If anyone is part of
another users group, let me know and I will put it up on our events
page. If you are looking for the php users group page, go to:

http://www.moewes.com/tcphp.php3

Clay

From psp at printwareinc.com  Wed Jan 31 10:58:10 2001
From: psp at printwareinc.com (Phil Plumbo)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:12 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Free at last, free at last [long]
Message-ID: <20010131165750442.AAA292@SUMO.printwareinc.com>

a QWEST story - long and off-topic. 

Some of you may recall that a little while ago I wrote the list looking for
help on why my Cisco 675 router would only train at 256K, despite lots of
tweaking and tuning, and a rock-solid line quality of 45 dB. Since nearly
everybody on this list that has QWEST seemed to be getting 640K down with
signal strengths as low as 24 dB, I thought I was getting QWERSTed.

Adam Maloney suggested that someone at USWEST/QWEST had forgotten to remove
a 256k bandwidth cap on the router at the CO, and that I needed to find the
right person to talk with at QWEST to flip the switch.

That started a long and arduous journey of many phone calls, bouncing
between customer support and sales. It was hard breaking through the first-
and second-defense layers of tech support excuses and canned answers. Once I
did that, and got them to understand the problem, they couldn't help me.
Their policy is that the techs are only allowed to file a trouble ticket if
the delivered service is less than 256K - which is the rate I'm paying for.
Ergo, not a problem.

Who could help me, then, I ask?. "Customer service". Now *these* guys were
less than helpful. None understood the concept of getting 640k down while
only paying for 256K. Most offered to sell me 640K service, or refer me back
to customer support. After many false starts I did talk with one customer
rep who understood the whole deal immediately, and promised a fix in a week,
but it never came about. Time passes. Subsequent calls to Qwest showed no
record of that conversation, and they were beginning to treat me like I was
some kind of scammer.

After four weeks of this, I was ready to switch to cable. Time for a new
tack. As a last-ditch effort I wrote a letter to the PUC explaining the
situation and my trials at getting an answer to the question "Why can't I
get 640K service, despite great line quality?".  Two days after I sent the
letter I get a message on my machine from a female bureaucrat at Qwest
Executive Offices in Colorado, dripping with condescension, telling me that
she checked out my case and that I was getting what I was paying for and
there is no problem on the line, and why don't you just stop your whining ways.

We played phone tag for the next day or two, but I finally got a chance to
put my case to her. She wasn't defensive, I was courteous but assertive. She
said she'd check into it. Well, today, she called back to tell me that there
was indeed an unnecessary 256k cap on my download speed, and she had had it
removed. Yeehah! Persistent really does work - and, apparently, so does a
letter to the PUC.

Thanks to Adam Maloney, Scott Dier, Tom Veldhouse, Bill Layer, Mike Vieths,
and Bob Tannerfor all the help and suggestions. 

Ironically, all this hassle caused me to start investigating cable, and it
appears that can get far better service for $25 less per month. Hmmm....





From austad at marketwatch.com  Wed Jan 31 11:46:26 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:12 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] tcp connections not closing properly
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F10939F@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

You can raise the file max by just doing:
echo 8192 > /proc/sys/fs/file-max

I tried this, and it stays up longer, but still eventually runs out of file
handles.  Each apache process takes 8 file handles, I assume rmserver is
around 4 or 5 since I see about 1/4 or 1/5 tcp connections closing as I have
max file handles.

These connections are sticking around for more than 120 seconds though.
I'll go back and grep for some ip that was listed yesterday, and it will
still be in the state CLOSE.  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jason DeStefano [mailto:destef@destef.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 7:03 PM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] tcp connections not closing properly
> 
> 
> TCP connections stay in a closed state for 120 seconds according
> to the RFC for TCP. This ensures that "rouge" packets still on the
> network dont confuse your IP stack. After 120 seconds they should
> clear out automatically. If you run a process that opens and closes
> lots of tcp connections this could be a problem because by default
> your limited to i believe 1024 simultaneos TCP connections. I ran into
> the problem when i ran an rc5 keyserver and i did a huge dump of
> keys. It would error out saying I dont have anymore connections
> available. I'd have to wait a few mins for them to clear out.
> Not sure if that number can be uped outside of a kernel recompile.
> ulimit -a shows 1024 files max. i dont know if this number
> is used for tcp connections too. (i doubt it).
> 
> If this isn't your problem then you may have a messed up system
> or hardware problems.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Jason
> 
> 
> At 01:32 PM 1/30/01 -0600, you wrote:
> >I have a box that is not properly closing out it's tcp 
> connections.  If I do
> >a netstat --inet, it comes up with over 1700 connections in 
> the state CLOSE.
> >lsof shows all of these using up my file handles, and I am 
> having trouble
> >starting new processes on the box so I have to reboot it.
> >
> >Does anyone know how I can fix this?  I have 2 machines 
> which are identical
> >to this one and they don't have any problems.  
> >
> >Jay
> >_______________________________________________
> >tclug-list mailing list
> >tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

From andy at theasis.com  Wed Jan 31 11:58:48 2001
From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:13 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Free at last, free at last [long]
In-Reply-To: <20010131165750442.AAA292@SUMO.printwareinc.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0101311155510.2428-100000@desmodus.theasis.com>

> Ironically, all this hassle caused me to start investigating cable, and it
> appears that can get far better service for $25 less per month. Hmmm....
> 

Depends on what you mean by "better". 
There has been discussion on TCLUG lists about how most cable companies
don't let you run services from your connection. That may or may not
matter to you, but it does to many. 

Then, except maybe on a per-company basis, and more likely on a per-case
basis, you have no reason to expect cable companies to be any better than
Qwest in terms of handling any problem at a technical level. I've heard
too many stories of network-savvy people calling their cable company to
report a problem and be told, "try turning off your computer for 3 hours". 

Andy



From sos at zjod.net  Wed Jan 31 11:14:09 2001
From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:13 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] tcp connections not closing properly
In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109399@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> from "Austad, Jay" at Jan 31, 2001 09:56:05 AM
Message-ID: <200101311714.LAA09555@zjod.net>

See http://www.redhat.com/support/errata/RHSA-2001-006.html.  RedHat issued
an errata note saying the problem solved with the new RPMS was:

RH> 
RH> 
RH>  1. Topic:
RH> 
RH>  The inetd server as shipped with Red Hat Linux 6.2 fails to close sockets
RH>  for internal services properly. 
RH> 
RH>  2. Problem description:
RH> 
RH>  The inetd server as shipped with Red Hat Linux 6.2 fails to close sockets
RH>  for internal service properly. This could make services stop working when
RH>  the system had leaked sufficient resources.
RH> 
RH>  Note that all of these services are turned off in the default configuration. 
RH> 
RH>  3. Bug IDs fixed: (see bugzilla for more information) 
RH> 
RH>  16729 - inetd does not close connection when daytime service is called
RH>  15908 - Misspelled variable in inetd start script
RH> 
RH>  4. Relevant releases/architectures:
RH> 
RH>  Red Hat Linux 6.2 - alpha, i386, sparc
<SNIP>

Austad, Jay wrote:
> 
> It's running redhat 6.2, and the connections are all to rmserver
> (RealServer), which runs as it's own daemon, not through inetd.  Maybe it's
> a problem with rmserver?  I have 2 clones of this box though, and neither of
> those have any problems, and they all get the same amount of traffic.
> 
> Jay
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Nate Carlson [mailto:natecars@real-time.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 5:18 PM
> > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'
> > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] tcp connections not closing properly
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, 30 Jan 2001, Austad, Jay wrote:
> > > I have a box that is not properly closing out it's tcp 
> > connections.  If I do
> > > a netstat --inet, it comes up with over 1700 connections in 
> > the state CLOSE.
> > > lsof shows all of these using up my file handles, and I am 
> > having trouble
> > > starting new processes on the box so I have to reboot it.
> > >
> > > Does anyone know how I can fix this?  I have 2 machines 
> > which are identical
> > > to this one and they don't have any problems.
> > 
> > What kernel version, and what type of TCP connections?
> > 

Hope this helps, 

-S

From austad at marketwatch.com  Wed Jan 31 13:08:11 2001
From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:13 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Free at last, free at last [long]
Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1093A5@mspexch1.office.mktw.net>

> There has been discussion on TCLUG lists about how most cable 
> companies
> don't let you run services from your connection. That may or may not
> matter to you, but it does to many. 

On the other hand, if you have a fat pipe at work, and make nice with the
network guys (if you're not one of em), you can set up a VPN into work, and
have them NAT your box at home to one of their public addresses.  Then you
run your server from your house, but they can't tell because all of the
traffic is going through your tunnel into work.  If you have a crappy ping
time from your cable modem to work though, it will most likely suck pretty
bad.  Most people here have under 30ms ping times, so it wouldn't be too
bad.  I tried it with my DSL just to see if it would work, and it worked
just fine.  :)

Jay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: andy@theasis.com [mailto:andy@theasis.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 11:59 AM
> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Free at last, free at last [long]
> 
> 
> > Ironically, all this hassle caused me to start 
> investigating cable, and it
> > appears that can get far better service for $25 less per 
> month. Hmmm....
> > 
> 
> Depends on what you mean by "better". 
> There has been discussion on TCLUG lists about how most cable 
> companies
> don't let you run services from your connection. That may or may not
> matter to you, but it does to many. 
> 
> Then, except maybe on a per-company basis, and more likely on 
> a per-case
> basis, you have no reason to expect cable companies to be any 
> better than
> Qwest in terms of handling any problem at a technical level. 
> I've heard
> too many stories of network-savvy people calling their cable 
> company to
> report a problem and be told, "try turning off your computer 
> for 3 hours". 
> 
> Andy
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> tclug-list mailing list
> tclug-list@mn-linux.org
> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

From tanner at real-time.com  Wed Jan 31 12:18:26 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:13 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] New web pages
In-Reply-To: <C8E57CE8F221D411A24600A0C99D90FD02A50619@mail2.ROG.COM>; from JMiller2@dainrauscher.com on Wed, Jan 31, 2001 at 09:02:45AM -0600
References: <C8E57CE8F221D411A24600A0C99D90FD02A50619@mail2.ROG.COM>
Message-ID: <20010131121826.V20443@real-time.com>

Quoting Miller, John (JMiller2@dainrauscher.com):
> I did a couple of searches and found that the "Search TCLUG website: "
> returns a blank page when I did a search for "php".  I tried a couple of
> other searches that would not find anything and they came back with a
> message stating there was nothing found.  

I believe the link linuxtoday is wrong. I think it should be www.linuxtoday.com
(in the links section).
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From clay at fandre.com  Wed Jan 31 12:31:49 2001
From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:13 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG Meeting this Saturday (2/3/2001)
Message-ID: <3A785A15.C8E7895F@fandre.com>

What: 
    Twin Cities Linux Users Group Monthly Meeting 

When: 
    Saturday February 3rd, 2001 noon until 2pm 

Topic: 
    SMTP Authentication, ORBS, MAPS, etc.
    presented by Bob Tanner of Real-Time Enterprises.

Where: 
    Benchmark Computer Learning Center 
    4510 West 77th Street 
    Edina, MN 
    Directions to Benchmark
	http://www.benchmarklearning.com/Directions_to_Benchmark.asp

    The seminar room is on the 2nd floor which is the floor you
    enter on from the west side, while the east entrance comes
    in on the 1st floor. 

    Parking: 
    Free parking. 

Go to http://www.mn-linux.org/meetings/ for more information.
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From thudak at sistina.com  Wed Jan 31 13:24:29 2001
From: thudak at sistina.com (Tom Hudak)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:13 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Free at last, free at last [long]
In-Reply-To: <20010131165750442.AAA292@SUMO.printwareinc.com>; from psp@printwareinc.com on Wed, Jan 31, 2001 at 10:58:10AM -0600
References: <20010131165750442.AAA292@SUMO.printwareinc.com>
Message-ID: <20010131132428.A20745@cesium.sistina.com>

On Wed, Jan 31, 2001 at 10:58:10AM -0600, Phil Plumbo wrote:
>Ironically, all this hassle caused me to start investigating cable, and it
>appears that can get far better service for $25 less per month. Hmmm....
As well as a good view of what your neighbor is looking at should you have
pcanywhere installed on a winblows box. I ran a "scan local area network for
servers" a while back, and boy was I suprised.... A list of about 85 open,
unprotected pcanywhere sessions waiting for someone to jump on and read your
e-mail, or watch you surf, or *better* yet, format the HD, were at my
fingertips (Good thing I'm a nice responsible guy.). Go with cable,
you'll love it until 2 or 3 other people jump on and your 2Mbit line drops to
700K, and then a couple more jump on, and it's at 300k, and then you hit peak
and your crawling along the net at a couple bytes a second. (This is all based
on previous experience with att/mediaone broadband 2 way cable.) Oh, and did I
mention they don't like it when you run http/ftp/dns/smtp/imap over their
lines? And did you know that at any time they reserve the right to monitor
your surfing habits and take appropriate actions?(Whatever those are. (Oh, and
they can and do sell that very information to anyone who's got green.)) My
suggestion is bypass the cable crap, bypass the qwest crap and go straight to
covad/speakeasy DSL. It's a little more, for about 40kbps less, but you get 2
IP's for whatever you want, they have an excellent privacy policy, ton's o
services on their website (not to mention speakeasy.net localized games
servers!!) and you can throw a linux box to your mom and say "Call these guys,
they'll walk you through getting your networking setup and DSL working."
Here's a tip about qwest, patience and persistance have their place, but
nothing works better than "<ANGER>I'm a paying customer, I want to speak to your
supervisor immedialtely.</ANGER>". I've dealt w/ usworst/qwest for a couple
years while working for an ISP, and let me tell you, there's nothing more
effective than telling them what to do. You can't expect anyone there to know
anything, but if you tell them, they will listen. It does help to get someone
that shows some signs of intelligence, but good luck.

"The probability of someone watching you is directly proportional to the
stupidity of your action."
>
>
>
>
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Fax: 612.379.3952

From jsowers at osii.com  Wed Jan 31 16:05:06 2001
From: jsowers at osii.com (Jason Sowers)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:13 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] DNS Master/Slave relationship
In-Reply-To: <20010127143656.57657.qmail@web10314.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <KIEJKEGIEEMCHPGDMCOFMEKBCHAA.jsowers@osii.com>

Those of you who use DNS/BIND all the time, question for you.  Does/can a
"slave" server work as a redundant DNS server?  Is that technically the
purpose.  If you guys could shed a little brief light on that subject it
would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks


____________________________________
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Network Engineer
Open Systems International
3600 Holly Lane North Suite 40
Minneapolis, MN 55447-1286
Phone:  (763) 551-0559
Fax:      (763) 551-1750
Email: jsowers@osii.com <mailto:jsowers@osii.com>
http:  www.osii.com <http://www.osii.com>  & www.e-scada.com
<http://www.e-scada.com>



From tanner at real-time.com  Wed Jan 31 16:13:17 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:13 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Announcing a beta release of Red Hat Linux: "Fisher"
Message-ID: <20010131161311.M19728@real-time.com>

>     Announcing...
>                           Red Hat Linux "Fisher"
>                              (a beta release)
> 
>     Red Hat, Inc. presents a beta release of Red Hat Linux for your
>     hacking pleasure.  First, the regular drill:
> 
>        This is a beta release of Red Hat Linux.  It is not intended for
>        mission critical applications.  It`s not even intended for
>        non-mission critical applications.  Important data should not be
>        entrusted to Fisher, as it may eat it and make loud belching
>        noises.
> 
>     Significant changes have been made since the last version of Red Hat
>     Linux, including a shift to a 2.4-based kernel.  We need your help to
>     find and report bugs.  You can enter bug reports for any problems you
>     might find by using bugzilla at:
> 
>       http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/
> 
>     PLEASE SEARCH FOR EXISTING BUG REPORTS BEFORE YOU ENTER A NEW REPORT!
>     Patches are always appreciated, so include them if you can.
> 
>     As in Red Hat Linux 7, this beta is large enough that the binary
>     packages have been split between two ISO images.  The installation
>     program handles reading packages from multiple CDs.
> 
>     *  Where can I get this release?
> 
>     Fisher can be downloaded from our public FTP site at:
> 
>        ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/beta/fisher
> 
>     With the support of volunteers ftp site administrators, Fisher is
>     available from several mirrors.  The following sites have complete
>     copies of Fisher, so please use a mirror close to you:
> 
>     Indiana, USA:
>        http://csociety-ftp.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/redhat/beta/fisher
>        ftp://csociety-ftp.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/redhat/beta/fisher
> 
>     Minnesota, USA:
>        ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/redhat/beta/fisher
> 
>     Buffalo, New York, USA:
>        ftp://ftp.cse.buffalo.edu/mirror/Linux/redhat/beta/fisher
> 
>     Pennsylvania, USA:
>        http://carroll.cac.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions/redhat/redhat/beta/fisher
>        ftp://carroll.cac.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions/redhat/redhat/beta/fisher
>        rsync://carroll.cac.psu.edu/redhat-beta/fisher
> 
>     Australia:
>        ftp://ftp.planetmirror.com/pub/redhat/beta/fisher
>        http://www.planetmirror.com/pub/redhat/beta/fisher
> 
>     Please also see our official mirror list:
>        http://www.redhat.com/download/mirror.html
> 
>     as more of the mirror sites may have picked up the beta by the time
>     you read this.
> 
>     *  What's new in this beta?
> 
>        General system improvements:
>          o Itanium(tm) architecture support is included
>          o Installer has many improvements and fixes, including basic
>            firewall configuration
>          o Workstation installs are network-secure (services are off by
>            default)
>          o Japanese support fully integrated
>          o Graphical kickstart configuration program included
> 
>        Core system components:
>          o kernel 2.4.0 + many fixes
>          o glibc 2.2.1
>          o XFree86 4.0.2
>          o XFree86 3.3.6 X servers included for maximum hardware
>            compatibility
>          o KDE 2.1 beta release snapshot
>          o GNOME libs 1.2.8, core 1.2.4
>          o GCC 2.96-RH
> 
>        Expanded hardware support:
>          o Improved USB
>          o IDE UltraDMA 66/100
>          o IEEE1394 (FireWire(tm))
>          o ATM networking
>          o WiFI wireless ethernet cards
>          o ESS Maestro3 and newer Crystal audio
> 
>        System service changes:
>          o New network-transparent configuration subsystem
>          o Configuration tools for BIND, Apache, and printing
> 
>        A sampling of package upgrades:
>          o GIMP 1.2.1
>          o Tcl/Tk 8.3.2
>          o BIND 9.1.0
>          o Pine 4.32
>          o Vim 6.0 prerelease
>          o XMMS 1.2.4
> 
>        A sampling of Package additions:
>          o OGG/Vorbis audio encoder/decoder
>          o Mozilla
> 
>     * Status of Red Hat Network:
> 
>        rhn_register, the registration client for Red Hat Network, is
>        included, but registrations for the beta will not be accepted.
> 
>        However, up2date will be fully functional in anonymous mode, and
>        we encourage people to make use of this functionality.  We will
>        be attempting to synchronize our fixes with Update Agent on a
>        nightly basis, so if you report a problem and it gets fixed, you
>        can get a new version of that particular package on the following
>        day.
> 
>     * Major known issues:
> 
>        o PCMCIA support is touch-and-go; upgrading computers reliant on
>          PCMCIA may not work at all.
> 
>        o Systems that include both floppy and IDE ZIP devices will fail
>          to install; a fixed boot disk has been made available to
>          correct this problem:
> 
> ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/beta/fisher/en/updates/images/fisher-upddsk1.img
> 
>     A README file describing how to use the update is also in that
>     directory.
> 
>        o Minimal installs do not support NFS out of the box.  Install
>          the portmap package afterwards if you require this
>          functionality.
> 
>        o Partitionless installs and upgrades are not currently working.
> 
>        o Applications using dlopen() to load threaded libraries (such as
>          kdm) may crash with the i686 version of glibc. Additionally,
>          the i686 version of glibc only supports 2.4-based kernels.
> 
>          If you are experiencing problems such as the one described
>          above, or need to run a 2.2-based kernel, install the i386
>          version of glibc by running:
> 
>             rpm -Uvh --force glibc-2.2.1-3.i386.rpm
> 
>        o X and KDE have known failures on Itanium.
> 
>     Enjoy!
> 
>     The Linux OS Development and QA Teams
>     Red Hat, Inc.
> 

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From tanner at real-time.com  Wed Jan 31 16:37:25 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:13 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] gabber on RedHat 7.0
Message-ID: <20010131163725.P19728@real-time.com>

Anyone able to get gabber-0.8.1 to compile under RedHat 7.0

Seems that gabber wants gnomemm, gtkmm and others, which are not part of RedHat
7.0 and the binaries on the site are for 6.2 and don't work under 7.0

Just wanted to ask before walking down the hacking path.
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From dougbert3 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 31 17:07:25 2001
From: dougbert3 at yahoo.com (Doug Hamlin)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:13 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] large font in x
Message-ID: <005101c08bda$a31d1f20$fd00a8c0@lakes.net>

take a look at this screenshot:
http://www.briggsville.com/snapshot1.png
now, can anyone explain why it looks like this?
this happens under KDE, Gnome, and Window Maker
right after a fresh install of Mandrake 7.2


luvyameanitmmmbuhbye

doug


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From tanner at real-time.com  Wed Jan 31 17:27:30 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:13 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 678?
Message-ID: <20010131172730.X19728@real-time.com>

Has Qwest started shipping Cisco 678's for DSL now?

I just got a client who says they got a 678 with their DSL link from Qwest.

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From mkroska at readynetgo.com  Wed Jan 31 17:35:53 2001
From: mkroska at readynetgo.com (Mark K)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:13 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] DNS Master/Slave relationship
In-Reply-To: <KIEJKEGIEEMCHPGDMCOFMEKBCHAA.jsowers@osii.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10101311726370.28595-100000@enterprise.readynetgo.com>

Jason--

Great question, and the simple answer would be "yes".
Unfortunately, the yes is also due for some conditions that need to be
satisfied.  

ISP side: customers are normally given at least 2 DNS server addresses
(IPs) just for what you mention, if one (primary) fails or needs to be
down for maintenance, etc, the other (and secondary or slave) would pick
up the slack when the lookup fails on the first. The TCP client on the
customer side should pick up on a failure almost immediately and try the
2nd listed server.

Hosting side: YUP, that's why NetSol and other registrars require 2 listed
DNS servers, in the event of a failure/line cut/maintenance on the first.  
Normally it's not a good idea to have 1 machine set up for
DNS/Mail/www/ftp/etc, since there is no failover.  A separate DNS server
(all it does is DNS) is the preferred method, and all is does is provide
name service.

The conditions are: needs to be configured properly and needs to be
accessable, listed, used, etc.  I'm guilty, I'm sure many people are,
2ndary DNS records are not my top priority in a day's work, but falling
behind snowballs very quickly.

The nice thing about bind, is that once the primary is configured
properly, and the 1st secondary has the right /etc/named.conf, additional
2ndary servers can be added by just copying the data from /etc/named.conf.
The records will be pulled upon a restart.  The TTL and SOA portions of
the DNS record can be tweaked for performance issues too.

You didn't specify whether you were coming from the ISP side (providing
DNS for dial/dsl/directconnect or hosting/website, so I addressed them
both.  There are details that effect both!

Any other ???s?

MK 


On Wed, 31 Jan 2001, Jason Sowers wrote:

> Those of you who use DNS/BIND all the time, question for you.  Does/can a
> "slave" server work as a redundant DNS server?  Is that technically the
> purpose.  If you guys could shed a little brief light on that subject it
> would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> ____________________________________
> Jason Sowers
> Network Engineer
> Open Systems International
> 3600 Holly Lane North Suite 40
> Minneapolis, MN 55447-1286
> Phone:  (763) 551-0559
> Fax:      (763) 551-1750
> Email: jsowers@osii.com <mailto:jsowers@osii.com>
> http:  www.osii.com <http://www.osii.com>  & www.e-scada.com
> <http://www.e-scada.com>
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From wilson at visi.com  Wed Jan 31 18:11:50 2001
From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:14 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] large font in x
In-Reply-To: <005101c08bda$a31d1f20$fd00a8c0@lakes.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0101311811180.24717-100000@isis.visi.com>

On Wed, 31 Jan 2001, Doug Hamlin wrote:

> luvyameanitmmmbuhbye

Have you been eavesdropping on my phone calls?

-Tim

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From tobytoo at black-hole.com  Wed Jan 31 18:39:43 2001
From: tobytoo at black-hole.com (b. toberman)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:14 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] large font in x
References: <005101c08bda$a31d1f20$fd00a8c0@lakes.net>
Message-ID: <3A78B04F.ED087C1@black-hole.com>

Looks to me like your video seting is messed up.  Do you have a virtual
screen set ?


Doug Hamlin wrote:

> take a look at this screenshot:
> http://www.briggsville.com/snapshot1.png
> now, can anyone explain why it looks like this?
> this happens under KDE, Gnome, and Window Maker
> right after a fresh install of Mandrake 7.2
>
> luvyameanitmmmbuhbye
>
> doug
>
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From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu  Tue Jan 30 21:20:49 2001
From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:14 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] G77
Message-ID: <010130212049.2031cba8@dcmir.med.umn.edu>

Hi

I'm trying to get g77 to work on a P3 here and am having a time of it.
Actually, I'm trying to install another program and the configure script is
bombing when it tries to use g77. It complains that ld can't find crtbegin.o.

I have another machine that is "identical" to this one and the test program
compiles just fine. I've made sure that crtbegin.o is in all the same places on
both machines. I've reinstalled the compilers (gcc and g77) a couple of times
and, at least according to my notes in the first install, there hasn't been
additional problems. Certainly none that LOOKED serious. I've ripped out
binutils (the source of ld) and reinstalled, but that didn't help. I don't see
anywhere in the man pages where ld is searching. Though some options to the
compiler might be a workaround, I'd rather get it working correctly. Anyone
have any ideas on what to look for?

Thanks

Ed Hoeffner
1-271 BSBE
312 Church St. SE
Mpls, MN 55455
hoeffner@dcmir.med.umn.edu
612-625-2115
612-625-2163 fax

From tanner at real-time.com  Tue Jan 30 21:32:20 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:14 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Mailing list problem
Message-ID: <20010130213220.S7040@real-time.com>

Mailing list got plugged again because of the .nerp.net DNS problems. 

I was off-site most of the day so I did not get a chance to fix it until now.

Seems like mailman gets buggier with each release. :-(

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From dkleist at acm.org  Tue Jan 30 21:45:24 2001
From: dkleist at acm.org (Dave Kleist)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:14 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: network setup
Message-ID: <20010130214524.E2694@coder>

Off-topic: I'm trying to get some windows boxes (2000, ME) to connect
on the network and ping to each other.  They won't but the Debian box
seems to be okay.  I've got addresses assigned, etc, but they won't
talk to each other: some boxes won't even ping themselves.  Anybody
seen anything like this before?  Any hints or suggestions (it's
already occurred to me to have a huge bonfire).

Thanks.

     - Dave
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From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu  Wed Jan 31 19:27:32 2001
From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Michael Hicks)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:14 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] large font in x
References: <005101c08bda$a31d1f20$fd00a8c0@lakes.net>
Message-ID: <3A78BB84.985A7DE2@tc.umn.edu>

Doug Hamlin wrote:
> 
> take a look at this screenshot:
> http://www.briggsville.com/snapshot1.png
> now, can anyone explain why it looks like this?
> this happens under KDE, Gnome, and Window Maker
> right after a fresh install of Mandrake 7.2
> 
> luvyameanitmmmbuhbye

Two thoughts:  You could have your screen dpi set really damn low (your
monitor could be incorrectly reporting it's size through the DCC
communication between the video card and monitor).  You'd have to try
something like putting `exec X -dpi 100' into your ~/.xserverrc file.

Or, the first available fixed-width font is a dot-matrix font..  You
might want to try changing the order of font directories in your
XF86Config file or your font servers config file (/etc/X11/fs/config, if
I remember right).

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From jpschewe at mtu.net  Wed Jan 31 20:23:16 2001
From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:14 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Free at last, free at last [long]
In-Reply-To: Tom Hudak's message of "Wed, 31 Jan 2001 13:24:29 -0600"
References: <20010131165750442.AAA292@SUMO.printwareinc.com>
	<20010131132428.A20745@cesium.sistina.com>
Message-ID: <m3wvbbgmzv.fsf@workstation.mn.mtu.net>

Tom Hudak <thudak@sistina.com> writes:

> fingertips (Good thing I'm a nice responsible guy.). Go with cable,
> you'll love it until 2 or 3 other people jump on and your 2Mbit line drops to
> 700K, and then a couple more jump on, and it's at 300k, and then you hit peak
> and your crawling along the net at a couple bytes a second. (This is all based
> on previous experience with att/mediaone broadband 2 way cable.) Oh, and did

I was wondering about that.  All of the guys at work I've talked to have had
great downloads, none of what you're talking about.  

> mention they don't like it when you run http/ftp/dns/smtp/imap over their
> lines? And did you know that at any time they reserve the right to monitor
> your surfing habits and take appropriate actions?(Whatever those are. (Oh, and
> they can and do sell that very information to anyone who's got green.)) My
> suggestion is bypass the cable crap, bypass the qwest crap and go straight to
> covad/speakeasy DSL. It's a little more, for about 40kbps less, but you get

Unfortunatly there isn't any DSL in Maple Grove, besides IDSL which is 144k.
If anyone can find a switch that does, let me know.

-- 
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For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels 
nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any 
powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all 
creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that 
is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39


From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu  Wed Jan 31 20:31:45 2001
From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:14 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] G77
Message-ID: <010131203145.2031cba8@dcmir.med.umn.edu>

Hi

Just a quick note on my g77 query -- seems after you install it for the fourth
time it works. Not sure why, but this time it went, so not it ain't broke.

I thought it got lost, but I guess the server was slower than I thought.

Thanks

Ed Hoeffner
1-271 BSBE
312 Church St. SE
Mpls, MN 55455
hoeffner@dcmir.med.umn.edu
612-625-2115
612-625-2163 fax

From thouck at thouck.com  Wed Jan 31 21:02:40 2001
From: thouck at thouck.com (thouck@thouck.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:14 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] gabber on RedHat 7.0
In-Reply-To: <20010131163725.P19728@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <200102010252.SAA13347@pine.he.net>

On 31 Jan, Bob Tanner had this nonsense to say:
> Anyone able to get gabber-0.8.1 to compile under RedHat 7.0
> 
> Seems that gabber wants gnomemm, gtkmm and others, which are not part of RedHat
> 7.0 and the binaries on the site are for 6.2 and don't work under 7.0
> 
> Just wanted to ask before walking down the hacking path.

I just used the 0.8.1 dynamic Red Hat 6.x RPM and it works fine on my
7.0 system.
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From tanner at real-time.com  Wed Jan 31 21:14:51 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:14 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off
Message-ID: <20010131211451.D22215@real-time.com>

Anyone else go to www.microsoft.com and NOT get the search text entry widget in
the upper left corner when running netscape or mozilla?

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From ben at nerp.net  Wed Jan 31 21:26:45 2001
From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:14 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off
In-Reply-To: <20010131211451.D22215@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0101312124180.19299-100000@chef>

haha, well.. you arn't having DNS problems.. and I still can't get stupid
PGP to work right.. hrm.. any way to import pgp keys from 2 to gpg?

Thank You,
        Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net)

 "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends."

On Wed, 31 Jan 2001, Bob Tanner wrote:

> Anyone else go to www.microsoft.com and NOT get the search text entry widget in
> the upper left corner when running netscape or mozilla?
>
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From fertch at mninter.net  Wed Jan 31 21:36:02 2001
From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:14 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Free at last, free at last [long]
References: <20010131165750442.AAA292@SUMO.printwareinc.com> <20010131132428.A20745@cesium.sistina.com>
Message-ID: <3A78D9A2.F0D9607C@mninter.net>

All well and dandy if your local station or whatever has been upgraded. 
I've put in an order for ISDN, was supposed to be put in this Friday the
2nd, but true to Qwest form they "don't have any available switches" for
me.  "We're sorry, but your now pushed to the absolute back of the line
until March 21st.  Then maybe we'll have something for you."

My ISP sucks royally.  I'm lucky to get connected one out of 4 tried,
and that connection is usually around 24,000 or so.  Periodically I can
get 45k+, at 3:00 am!  I've looked at Real Time, and the pricing is too
far out for the little connectin time last time I checked.  Sorry guys,
not trying to slam you.  Jus that unless you come up with a better rate
it's a no go.

Cable modem unavailable, xDSL unavailable, ISDN won't be routed for two
months.  Life sucks...  I'd dial into work through our RAS connection
but then I can't play any cool online games....  Firewall kills it.  I
know the firewall tech, the network techs, and the security officer but
there isn't a chance I'd get the right ports opened up.

anyone want to buy a house?



Tom Hudak wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Jan 31, 2001 at 10:58:10AM -0600, Phil Plumbo wrote:
> >Ironically, all this hassle caused me to start investigating cable, and it
> >appears that can get far better service for $25 less per month. Hmmm....
> As well as a good view of what your neighbor is looking at should you have
> pcanywhere installed on a winblows box. I ran a "scan local area network for
> servers" a while back, and boy was I suprised.... A list of about 85 open,
> unprotected pcanywhere sessions waiting for someone to jump on and read your
> e-mail, or watch you surf, or *better* yet, format the HD, were at my
> fingertips (Good thing I'm a nice responsible guy.). Go with cable,
> you'll love it until 2 or 3 other people jump on and your 2Mbit line drops to
> 700K, and then a couple more jump on, and it's at 300k, and then you hit peak
> and your crawling along the net at a couple bytes a second. (This is all based
> on previous experience with att/mediaone broadband 2 way cable.) Oh, and did I
> mention they don't like it when you run http/ftp/dns/smtp/imap over their
> lines? And did you know that at any time they reserve the right to monitor
> your surfing habits and take appropriate actions?(Whatever those are. (Oh, and
> they can and do sell that very information to anyone who's got green.)) My
> suggestion is bypass the cable crap, bypass the qwest crap and go straight to
> covad/speakeasy DSL. It's a little more, for about 40kbps less, but you get 2
> IP's for whatever you want, they have an excellent privacy policy, ton's o
> services on their website (not to mention speakeasy.net localized games
> servers!!) and you can throw a linux box to your mom and say "Call these guys,
> they'll walk you through getting your networking setup and DSL working."
> Here's a tip about qwest, patience and persistance have their place, but
> nothing works better than "<ANGER>I'm a paying customer, I want to speak to your
> supervisor immedialtely.</ANGER>". I've dealt w/ usworst/qwest for a couple
> years while working for an ISP, and let me tell you, there's nothing more
> effective than telling them what to do. You can't expect anyone there to know
> anything, but if you tell them, they will listen. It does help to get someone
> that shows some signs of intelligence, but good luck.
> 
> "The probability of someone watching you is directly proportional to the
> stupidity of your action."
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From tanner at real-time.com  Wed Jan 31 21:40:36 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:14 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] PGP keys
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0101312124180.19299-100000@chef>; from ben@nerp.net on Wed, Jan 31, 2001 at 09:26:45PM -0600
References: <20010131211451.D22215@real-time.com> <Pine.LNX.4.30.0101312124180.19299-100000@chef>
Message-ID: <20010131214036.F22215@real-time.com>

Quoting Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net):
> haha, well.. you arn't having DNS problems.. and I still can't get stupid
> PGP to work right.. hrm.. any way to import pgp keys from 2 to gpg?

Yeah, I had to do this, is a wank, let me pull my notes on it.

Kinda busy getting my presentation done for Saturday! :-)

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From fertch at mninter.net  Wed Jan 31 21:44:39 2001
From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:14 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] MS pisses me off
References: <20010131211451.D22215@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <3A78DBA7.72B7FF56@mninter.net>

Well, if you think about it, MS has set up their entire site to be IE
specific.  If you're running a Win box try going to
windowsupdate.microsoft.com in netscape and see what happens.  They
force you to use their browser and such if you want to use their site. 
Unfortunately, Netscape/AOL is getting to be the same way.  Install
Netscape 6 on a Windows box, and even if IE is set as the default
browser N6 won't let you bring up the default browser unless it's N6. 
So, MSIE bad.  Netscape 6 bad.  Netscape 4.7x seems to be ok.  I'm
guilty, haven't tried Mozilla yet.




Bob Tanner wrote:
> 
> Anyone else go to www.microsoft.com and NOT get the search text entry widget in
> the upper left corner when running netscape or mozilla?
> 
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From jpschewe at mtu.net  Wed Jan 31 21:43:46 2001
From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:14 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Free at last, free at last [long]
In-Reply-To: Shawn's message of "Wed, 31 Jan 2001 21:36:02 -0600"
References: <20010131165750442.AAA292@SUMO.printwareinc.com>
	<20010131132428.A20745@cesium.sistina.com>
	<3A78D9A2.F0D9607C@mninter.net>
Message-ID: <m3g0hzf4p9.fsf@workstation.mn.mtu.net>

Shawn <fertch@mninter.net> writes:

> anyone want to buy a house?

Doesn't help.  I just bought one in Maple Grove and it doesn't get ADSL
either, but it does get cable.  I've given up looking for places that get
ADSL, there just aren't enough of them.

-- 
Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net
For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels 
nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any 
powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all 
creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that 
is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39


From mend0070 at tc.umn.edu  Wed Jan 31 21:50:45 2001
From: mend0070 at tc.umn.edu (Philip C Mendelsohn)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:14 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] OT: network setup
In-Reply-To: <20010130214524.E2694@coder>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0101312143540.18193-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>

On Tue, 30 Jan 2001, Dave Kleist wrote:

> Off-topic: I'm trying to get some windows boxes (2000, ME) to connect
> on the network and ping to each other.  They won't but the Debian box
> seems to be okay.  I've got addresses assigned, etc, but they won't
> talk to each other: some boxes won't even ping themselves.  Anybody
> seen anything like this before?  Any hints or suggestions (it's
> already occurred to me to have a huge bonfire).

I don't have any big hints.  I have a Win 95 box that's happy enough
sharing files via samba.  That way I can use the SCSI card that came with
the scanner to make the shared files (and get 9600 bpi resolution if I
want to beat the SANE driver's res and take up 4*Gigabytes* in one file!).

But, I did see some weird net stuff recently using W2K Pro for a couple of
minutes.  It seems that Internet explorer does funny things to the net
data and it interferes heavily with the firewall -- i.e., I.E. can't get a
packet through it because of all the crap they've added to the protocol.  
Netscape 6 on the same machine worked just fine.  

I think someone needs to take a packet sniffer over to the DoJ and tell
them, "They're doing it again!"

don't tell me they're messing with fundamental protocols to try and
"own" the net...

Or did I make a little mistake and get paranoid?

Phil M

-- 
"To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous


From dave at droyer.org  Wed Jan 31 22:05:15 2001
From: dave at droyer.org (David Royer)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:14 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] gabber on RedHat 7.0
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10101312204490.17351-100000@droyer.org>

I'm running Mandrake 62, but was having trouble with this today.

I tried downloading the necessary RPM's from the site referenced on
gnomemm.sourceforge.net, but that didn't do anything. I still couldn't get
things working even with gnomemm installed.

I ended up hacking the configure file to get it to pass the gnomemm test.
Check out the tests around line 5423 (I changed it to for test "$vers -ge
20008000").

Good Luck,

Dave Royer

On 31 Jan 2001 16:37:25 -0600, Bob Tanner wrote:
> Anyone able to get gabber-0.8.1 to compile under RedHat 7.0
> 
> Seems that gabber wants gnomemm, gtkmm and others, which are not part 
> of RedHat 7.0 and the binaries on the site are for 6.2 and don't work 
> under 7.0
> 
> Just wanted to ask before walking down the hacking path.
> -- 
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> http://www.mn-linux.org                 | Fax   : (952)943-8500
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From tanner at real-time.com  Wed Jan 31 23:09:51 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:15 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] This article burns ms
Message-ID: <20010131230951.B28709@real-time.com>

http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,41527,00.html

I don't normally vent, but this guy a MS is an ass.

MS Exec: Linux Is Going Down

The "recent security problems" is NOT linux specific, it's a BIND problem AND MS
should talk about 1. security 2. dns. Doesn't seem that they know very much
about either from recent events.

The paragraph about laptops. I guess Miller hasn't tried to install Windows on a
laptop lately either. My Vaio F590K, won't do NT, 95 or 98, got to run 2K AND
only the Sony OEM version. So, yeah, I bought a laptop from a vendor who
supports Windows, same logic applies for linux.

Does NT or 2K support swappable CPUs or memory?

Man, was NT or 2k (with DOS as it's roots) designed with swappable CPU and
memory?

Yes, VA took a bath in the market, but so did Microsoft. 

Ahh, the agony.

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From tanner at real-time.com  Wed Jan 31 23:26:10 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:15 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] Fisher burns 3 T1s at 200K/s
Message-ID: <20010131232610.C28709@real-time.com>

Hmm, must be one of the few mirrors with fisher.

We are bursting on 3 T1s over 200k/s on each.

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From andyzib at ringworld.org  Wed Jan 31 23:42:45 2001
From: andyzib at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby))
Date: Mon Jan 17 13:15:15 2005
Subject: [TCLUG] gabber on RedHat 7.0
References: <20010131163725.P19728@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <3A78F755.1CEB063@ringworld.org>

> Seems that gabber wants gnomemm, gtkmm and others, which are not part of RedHat
> 7.0 and the binaries on the site are for 6.2 and don't work under 7.0
> 
> Just wanted to ask before walking down the hacking path.

Are there Ximian GNOME packages for the stuff you need? All the packages I
needed under Debian were there. If you get it working, zibby@jabber.org :)

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