asking for advice seems to be a pretty frequent thing on this (as well as other) list. It seems to me that it would be of some value to me and prob. others if were were to create a link db of our favorite resources, broken into categories like dmoz. I could prob. just use dmoz, but maybe (i would guess so) its easy to create, and there is some interest.... we could have a buy stuff > hardware > systems > bare bones category, as well as powerhouse box, servers, desktops, blah blah blah blah. all created and reccomended by the TCLUG'ers. Ill bet this would be valueable to other people, and _could_ keep traffic off of the list for stuff like my last request. any thoughts? ideas? duncan -- || || || || || || duncan shannon duncan at sodatrain.com